MAGIC! 1000 - 1499
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Msg #1001 Dated 23:51:05 08-21-90
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
Sorry to be so long in replying; I've been out of the country. The
current series of books runs, in order of publication: Thunday,
Thequal, Amperthand, Doth and Fifth. Verbal Control is also still in
print. Most of my earlier publications (e.g., the Color Series) are no
longer available. In October, Stephen Minch will publish a hardcover
book of 60 of my card creations, mostly from out-of-print sources, a
few previously unpublished. All have been rewritten and have new
illustrations by Ton Onosaka.
Msg #1002 Dated 0:09:54 08-22-90 -> 1060
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: MENTALISM TAPE SWAPS
Send me a list of what you've got. I probably have some stuff you might
be interested in. Address: 1746 N. Orange Dr./#1106 - Hollywood, CA
90028
Msg #1003 Dated 0:12:53 08-22-90
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: BOOK
"Phil Goldstein Collection" is available from Stephen Minch, 220 13th
Avenue E, Apartment C, Seattle, WA 98102. I forget the price w/postage,
but it's around $40
Msg #1004 Dated 0:18:48 08-22-90
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Dante: just returned from Japan today. Your dad's review will be much
more complete, of course, but I can tell you that it was a really nice
gathering, with some excellent talent. First day began with a stage
contest; frankly, very weak. First gala was MC'd by Setsuko Hanajima.
Acts: Johnny Hirose (fast-paced manip), Mac King, Shintaro Fujiyama
(illusions, Japanese style). 2nd half: Minako Hanajima (charming act
with bubbles), Setsuko Hanajima (comedy audience participation
routine), myself, then Peter Samelson to close.
Second night's gala: Michael Weber MC'd. Maki Kitami (western
style manip), Tomo Maeda (clever new act with rope & paper), Stan
Allen, Yuka (FISM award-winning Japanese style act with fans). 2nd
half: Michael Weber, Juan Tamariz, comedy by the Napoleons to close.
Third night's gala: I MC'd. Mahka Tendo (FISM award-winning card
manip), Kenichi Kuroki (offbeat New Wave audience participation), Dr.
Sawa (lovely rope sequence), Jade. 2nd half: Fukai & Kimika (new act,
Japanese style, with a brand new illusion), Avner (doing 30 minutes --
standing ovation), finally Tommy Wonder (another standing ovation).
Lectures were by Michael Weber, Juan Tamariz, Hiro Sakai, Mac
King, Stan Allen, Peter Samelson, plus a new historical lecture by
Stephen Minch. Close-up performers: John Kennedy, Tommy Wonder, Michael
Weber, Mac King, Toyohisa Saikawa, Hiro Sakai, Johnny Hirose, Richard
Kaufman.
Hope I didn't leave anyone out. The convention ran August 10-12,
but I stayed an extra week to do some performances at a luxury hotel.
Msg #1005 Dated 0:37:04 08-22-90
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: QUESTION
I think the effect you have in mind may be "Drawing Board," which ran
in one of Pete Biro's earliest "Reel Works" columns in Genii. I don't
have the date at hand, but it would have been around 1977.
Msg #1007 Dated 10:36:11 08-22-90 -> 1008
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
PETE, I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU. IF YOU NEED A ROOM, LET ME
KNOW, THIS WEEKEND I WILL BE FILMING MY GAMING SCAM TAPE, WILL GIVE YOU
THE ROUGH EDIT WHEN FINISHED.
Msg #1008 Dated 10:54:48 08-22-90 1007 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Geno: Glad you were able to log on and leave a message. Just got call
Jay Marshall is OK following open heart surgery. I am going to leave a
general message to "all". Be in touch. Adios
Msg #1009 Dated 10:55:35 08-22-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: HEART SURGERY
Famed Hungarian maniplator/magician, now Heart Surgeon at the Mayo
Clinic, Rochester, Minn., performed a successful open heart procedure
on well-known magician/venriloquist, and friend to all, JAY MARSHALL.
Word recieved via Phil Wilmarth, et al. Messagae said: Dr. and Patient
are doing fine. Oh, Dr. name? Peter Gloviczki. Great guy, great act and
a great Dr. Adios!
Msg #1012 Dated 11:40:01 08-22-90 -> 1314
From: JON LUCKE
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: JERRY ANDRUS ARTICLE
While attending the Abbott's Get Together a couple of weeks
ago, I met a couple, who after they found out I had lived in
Eugene, Oregon, started asking questions about Jerry Andrus and
his House of Chaos. While talking about Jerry, they mentioned
that he had written in his article that the solution to his "box
impossible" would be printed in a future issue of Genii, but that
it hadn't appeared in any subsequent issue. After checking, I
found that they were corrected. I'm sure it's just an oversight
on Jerry's part. In case others are asking you the same
question, you might mention to them that the secret to the box
was illustrated in the April, 1985, Smithsonian magazine.
The Get Together was a lot of fun. I was surprized by how
many well known magicians attend as well as participate in the
affair. In my opinion, Jay Marshall, (Jeff?) Hobson, Harry
Blackstone and Norm Nielsen were the hits of the public shows.
Also, the Stunt Johnson Theater (Hank Moorehouse's son is a
member) scored quite well on the special Saturday afternoon
benefit show. The Not Just for Senior Citizens Lunch, was
outstanding this year with Hobson serving as it's m.c.
Msg #1014 Dated 12:26:21 08-22-90 -> 1029
From: STEVE BURKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CIGARRETE THRU QUARTER
Pete. The dollar bill idea is great. Thanks for your help. I hope I can
return the favor some day.
Later.
Msg #1017 Dated 19:44:18 08-22-90 -> 1018
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CURSOR
Just want to publicly thank our SYSOP David Lichtman for informing me
of a program in the F)ile SubSystem that I successfully !!! Downloaded
to make the CURSER "GIGANTIC" and BLINKING on my NEC UltraLite Laptop.
That was killing me with TEXT EDITING -- I couldn't see the curser.
This file really does it. Actually it will improve ANY computer, screen
size, you name it. The file name is UNBLINK20.ZIP and using PKUNZIP it
worked first time like a charm. I then LapLinked it to the Laptop
computer and there it is. It is Memory Resident, so you need to type
UNBLINK /B1 (OR OTHER VERSIONS OF /switches for various blink speeds (1
is the fastest, 5 slowest. Anyway TANKS AGIN ME BUCKO!
Msg #1018 Dated 2:20:18 08-23-90 1017 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CURSOR
Glad I could be of help, Pete. I don't plan to fill up the MAGIC! file
area with programs like UNBLINK, but if they can be of help to someone,
what the heck. Good to know that it is working on the NEC UltraLite.
Without that UltraLite, and the guy who runs it, we wouldn't have half
of the "scoops" that we get around here.
Msg #1024 Dated 21:51:34 08-23-90
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: THANKS/GEEK TRICK
Actually, that can be done without a switchout, if you got the guts!!
I personally would not try it, but know someone who does.. He also
does a interesting bit where he "aparently" hammers the nail into the
back of his neck, then withdraws it VISIBALY from his nose.. If you
are interested in learning this, I will contact him and see if he will
teach it..
Msg #1025 Dated 21:55:02 08-23-90 -> 1049
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: WENII
You might check Owens magic supreme in Azusa for WENII, I know they
used to list a copy on their book list so they might still have one..
Msg #1026 Dated 21:56:35 08-23-90 -> 1027
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: CHAVEZ SCHOOL
The Chavez school IS accredited, as to the matrieal, it is top drawer!!
Only problem with home study is you only get out what you put in..
Dale will answer any questions you have, both before and during the
course.. I have done the Individual instruction, and the material is
the same.. Put it this way, it is the best money I have spent on
lessons!! If you would like to see some of the stuff in action, I
suggest catching Dale Salwak's Stars of Magic, he does mostly course
taught material..
If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask..
Msg #1027 Dated 22:01:39 08-23-90
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHAVEZ SCHOOL
Sorry, but the zombie is NOT part of Chavez study.. It is only
taught if the STUDENT requests it!! If you want the straight story,
call Dale Salwak, He also studied under Ben (not to mention inherited
the school from him!!)
Msg #1028 Dated 22:04:04 08-23-90
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: STEVE BURKE (X)
Re: ESCAPES
Best place, Wheeler-Tanner Escapes, P.O. Box 349 Great falls, MT
59403 phone (406) 453-4961.. Can't vouch for to much, but they stock
alot of things.. As to thumb cuffs, I know a couple of good ways to
use them and am willing to show you ( either in person or by trying to
describe them) but if you buy them, and price is a factor, you can get
them cheeper at a ( this sounds terrible folks) adult book store than
at any magic shop, and they are usually the same cuffs..
Msg #1029 Dated 22:09:14 08-23-90 -> 1035
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: STEVE BURKE (X)
Re: CIGARRETE THRU QUARTER
Try a large feather.. The trap doesnot open all the way, so it looks
like the feather is melting through.. Also, you can pull the feather
out from the back and it looks good.. I use the feathers that my Macaw
loses, but you should be able to find ones suitable at any craft
store..
Msg #1035 Dated 9:33:26 08-24-90 1029 <--> 1050
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: CIGARRETE THRU QUARTER
Great Idea!
Msg #1038 Dated 15:11:17 08-24-90 -> 1044
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI
Re: DRIVING TO LV
Geno: Here are a couple of files that are on the MAGIC! Bulletin
Board that you should download. In PROCOMM, after you select a
file from the F)iles section (off the menu) you hit the Page Down
Key, and select ASCII as the protocall. Then name the file,
follow PROCOMM instructions and the file will come to you. The
first is: PASSPORT.TXT This is about a 12 page manual on how
to use MAGIC! The other file is called: MAGIC.TXT This give you
the first 100 messages on the bulletin board. Reading these first
messages is very interesting. Will be in touch before I come up
to Las Vegas next trip. Right now I plan to drive as I have
events on two Consecutive weekends. I might zip to L.A. for a
coupel of days in between. Not sure yet. Will be at the Gold
Coast with the team (am comp there so no problem) then stay one
night in Beatty and back to Gold Coast. Reason we stay in Beatty
is the race starts in Pahrump, goes up through Beatty and we have
to be out there to take pix at 6:00 am, so it is easier to be
there rather than get up at 4 and drive from the Strip! Later.
Msg #1039 Dated 17:44:38 08-24-90 -> 1047
From: JON LUCKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLIDE SHOW
I just received a tape I ordered at the Abbott's Get Together
called "Memories of Magic". It is a video tape of a
retrospective slide presentation given at the Get Together
several years ago. It has candid and performance pictures of
many magicians that have participated in the Get Together over
the years. Among the slides is a picture of a person that looks
a lot like you. It appears you have a cigarette in your hand
that is attached to a reel held in your mouth. If indeed it is
a picture of you, could you tell me the story behind it?
Msg #1040 Dated 21:35:06 08-24-90 -> 1043
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
"The Magic of The Magic Castle" is a one hour special that will be on
C.B.S. next Friday August 31 at 10:00 p.m. It's listed in the T.V.
guide as "Magic Castle" (original, huh). This is the first special shot
at the Magic Castle dealing with the Magic Castle. Performing will be:
Lance Burton, Jonathan Neal Brown, Scott Cervine, Brian Gillis,
Goldfinger & Dove, Kevin James, Paul Kozak, Tina Lenert,and Johnny Ace
Palmer. Hosted by Peter Scolari from The Bob Newhart Show as a ghost.
Don Damaskin who overseas the technical toys at the Castle said they
totally revamped many of the rooms to give an erie flavor and at Four
at any rate, you may want to set your V.C.R.'s it was just filmed
about two months ago so all the magic is most recent.
Later............
Msg #1043 Dated 22:30:02 08-24-90 1040 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Thanks for the info! That is one show I definitely want to see and
tape! I remember seeing all the CBS gear at the Castle. Will look for
it on Friday, August 31, at 10:00 pm. I guess everyone around the
country should check their local listings to verify the time.
Msg #1044 Dated 22:32:12 08-24-90 1038 <--> 1048
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI
Re: DRIVING TO LV
The file that Pete refered to as "MAGIC.TXT" is actually named
MAGIC-01.TXT (and the compressed version for those who know how to use
"unzip" is MAGIC-01.ZIP). There is another file, MAGIC!.TXT, but that
was written by Pete Biro and is an intro to his series of columns that
now appear as messages here on MAGIC!
Msg #1046 Dated 8:33:46 08-25-90
From: DR BISHOP
To: STEVE BURKE (X)
Re: CIG THROUGH QUARTER
JUST THOUGHT THAT I WOULD LET YOU KNOW ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF BUSINESS
REGARDING THE CIG THROUGH QUARTER. I AM REALLY HAPPY WITH THE TECHNIQUE
THAT M. AMMAR SHOWS ON HIS MAGIC CASTLE VIDEO AND IN HIS THIRD NATIONAL
TOUR NOTES. YOU USE A PENCIL THROUGH QUARTER. THE SWITCHES ARE CLEAN
AND YOU CAN END WITH A JAY SANKEY ROUTINE CALLED "SMASHED" AND USE THE
"SOLIDIFICATION" PART OF THE ROUTINE WHERE A PUNCHED QUARTER IS GLUED
TO AN IDENTICAL PENCIL AND THE ILLUSION IS "SUSPENDED" IN TIME SO
PEOPLE CAN HANDLE THE EFFECT. THESE CAN ALSO BE MADE AND HANDED OUT AS
"CALLING CARDS" IF YOU GET PERSONALIZED PENCILS. AT ANY RATE, USE
PERSONALIZED PENCILS SO YOU CAN LEAVE SOMETHING FOR THEM. HOPE THIS
HELPS.
Msg #1047 Dated 9:49:17 08-25-90 1039 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: SLIDE SHOW
Holy Cow... who took that pic? OK, it was me. It was taken during one
of my lectures. I do an effect where I have a reel IN MY MOUTH, the
line runs into a cigarette pack, attached to a dummy cig made of rolled
up paper with a nail at the end (glued in) to attach the nylon thread.
The cigarette then "on command" JUMPS out of the pack into my mouth!
There are various other bits, one way to do it in the middle of the act
(Pat Page uses that version) but mainly it is easiest to open all set
up as an MC Bit.
Msg #1048 Dated 9:53:27 08-25-90 1044 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: DRIVING TO LV
David: Thanks for correcting my message to Geno. I tried to do it from
my feeble memory!
Msg #1049 Dated 16:01:49 08-25-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: WENII
Dave: I think I located a copy via Pete Biro's recommendation. I'll
let you know when it gets here. Mike Cavaney agreed to sell me one
from his stash. I appreciate your thinking of me. I've been off
for a few days and just got back on line. I've missed my "electronic"
friends and am glad to be back. --TC--
Msg #1050 Dated 16:06:59 08-25-90 -> 1106
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEVE BURKE (X)
Re: CIGARRETE THRU QUARTER
I bought my first cig through quarter for ten bucks (list) so
you know I've been doing it awhile. It was one of my fave bar
tricks when I smoked and hung out in bars playing music. One night
I was showing it to a fellow musician and the drunk on the stool
next to us rubbed his eyes. Slid a half full glass back across the bar
and walked out shaking his head. Well, since I stopped smoking I borrow
a buck, roll ot up and go. --TC--
Msg #1051 Dated 16:37:10 08-25-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WENII
Pete,
Thanks for the tip. I got in touch with Mike Caveney and he's sending
a fresh copy of Wenii my way. I had been trying to find one for a
couple of years. Also bought the Guy Jarrett reprint you wrote about
in your Genii column in 1982 (I think). You're right, it is a great
book. I haven't been able to put it down ( well I still eat lunch, etc
but you know what I mean. Thanks again. --TC--
Msg #1052 Dated 16:40:24 08-25-90 -> 1104
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: WALTER JEANS BOOK
Hi Jeff,
You'll be getting mail from me in a couple of days regarding the
Walter Jeans book sitting on your shelf there in Oakland. Thanks for
letting me know about it. Mike is out of stock. Put me on your mailing
list if you have one. Best, --TC--
Msg #1054 Dated 21:46:44 08-25-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW MAGIC! MEMBER
We have a new member, Arnaud Vanrietschoten. Arnaud is our first
MAGIC! member from Holland. I'm sure that you all join with me in
welcoming him to MAGIC!
Msg #1055 Dated 23:50:05 08-25-90 -> 1072
From: JON LUCKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLIDE SHOW
I don't know who took the picture of you with the reel, but the
guy who put the slide presentation on tape was David Linsell of
the Olympus Corporation in Rolling Meadows, Illinois.
Thanks for giving me the story behind the picture. Frankly I
don't think I would have the guts to set off a reel in my mouth
with a nail attached to the other end. There must be a less
hazardous way of making a living, ... perhaps pounding spikes
up my nose.
Msg #1056 Dated 0:28:32 08-26-90
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: GREETINGS
Arnaud,
Greetings...............................................................
...
Msg #1057 Dated 7:48:40 08-26-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: WELCOME
Hi Arnaud,
Welcome to some great fun and conversation.
--TC--
Msg #1060 Dated 20:42:56 08-26-90 -> 1163
From: EARL KEYSER
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: MENTALISM TAPE SWAPS
Steve - I have tapes of Bob Fellows, Kreskin and some occult stuff.
let me know. Earl
Msg #1061 Dated 20:44:04 08-26-90 -> 1082
From: EARL KEYSER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RIDDLE FOR TODAY
Long Tack Sam
Msg #1062 Dated 20:45:24 08-26-90 -> 1073
From: EARL KEYSER
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: RISING CARDS
devano, hands down. Although Bruno has a nice gimmicked card. And Jim
Ryan does it really nicely.
Msg #1063 Dated 20:47:23 08-26-90
From: EARL KEYSER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HI!
Ojkay, I am Earl Keyser from White Bear Lake MN
Daughter Amy - 14
Lovely Wife Chris (older than Amy)
Mentalist, but do a mean faro, also. Creator of Faro Chart in 1970!
Publihsed several times, 5 effects on market.
mac //ci.
Msg #1066 Dated 21:40:01 08-26-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MARTY SHAPIRO
While in Greenville, SC, I was able to see one of the local magicians,
Marty Shapiro, perform at a party. Marty did some nice things,
including an "endless" pour of salt from his palm. He wrote and
produced the entire evening's entertainment, both magical and
non-magical, and was the MC. A well done show. I also had an
opportunity to spend an hour with Marty and he did some very good card
work. I believe he may be joining us on MAGIC! soon.
Msg #1067 Dated 23:29:02 08-26-90
From: NARAYANAN VIJAYKUMAR
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC ON TV
I was going through the TV guide which comes with the paper and found
that besides the CBS special on Friday at 10.00 p.m. , on Thursday
Johnny Carson has magician Joseph Gabriel and Friday David Letterman
has Penn and Teller. Guess this will be a rare week of magic on TV.
Msg #1068 Dated 23:31:27 08-26-90 -> 1074
From: NARAYANAN VIJAYKUMAR
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC VIDEOS
I just saw the Daryll Magic Castle Lecture on video. It was fantastic,
most of the stuff could be learnt quickly and easily by me, an amatuer.
Does anyone else have any suggestions of good magic videos? Also I
would like to see the old Henning and Copperfield specials, does anyone
have old tapes they want to get rid of?
Vijay.
Msg #1070 Dated 7:25:34 08-27-90 -> 1092
From: JON LUCKE
To: SYSOP
Re: COMPUTER TRICK
I have uploaded a file called YEDID.ZIP to the MAGIC! file
section (L;13) of the bulletin board. It is a modification of a
computerized card trick published by Meir Yedid in the
August/September 1983 Magic Manuscript. You can "unzip" the
compressed program by using PKUNZIP.EXE. The program is written
in BASIC. Hopefully, you'll have some fun with it.
Msg #1072 Dated 9:46:08 08-27-90 1055 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: SLIDE SHOW
The two are related. However the spike up the nose is safer if you use
a real cigarette. But I use a REEL cigarette with FAKE tobacco.? Make
sense?
Msg #1073 Dated 9:47:32 08-27-90 1062 <--> 1083
From: PETE BIRO
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: RISING CARDS
I didn't see the original message. But for the WORKING performer the
Devano Deck is the best. Goshman and Don Alan probably have done
300,000 shows with the devano decks. Best made are the ones Don uses,
fabricated for him by Howard Bammann (Ed of linking ring mag). Goshman
had someone make very close quality versions in L.A. area.
Msg #1074 Dated 9:49:50 08-27-90 1068 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: NARAYANAN VIJAYKUMAR (X)
Re: MAGIC VIDEOS
Joe Stevens has the largest selection of Magic Videos anywhere. See his
ads in Genii.
Msg #1075 Dated 9:54:45 08-27-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNOUD
Re: GREETINGS!
Welcome to MAGIC! Dutch magicians are special to me. My closest friend
in magic was Fred Kaps. Please, if you see them send my wishes to: Dick
Koornwinder, Eric Eswin, Jos Bema, Ted Biet, Marconic, Richard Ross,
Bob Driebek, Phoa Yan Tiong and Anverdi. Again, Welcome and let us know
what kind of magic and who is performing in Holland.
Msg #1076 Dated 10:56:53 08-27-90 -> 1077
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: NEW RESTAURANT MAGIC PUBL
My name is Jim Sisti and I have just started a newsletter for
restaurant and bar magicians. It's called "The Magic Menu" and
contains tips and tricks for those who work in these specialized
environments. Future issues will contain articles by Eugene Burger, Al
Ulman, Kirk Charles and other highly regarded workers. For information
on subscribing, leave a message for me on the board. Thanks!
Msg #1077 Dated 11:18:18 08-27-90 1076 <--> 1102
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: NEW RESTAURANT MAGIC PUBL
Why not leave the subscriber info on the board for all to read?
Msg #1078 Dated 11:18:41 08-27-90 -> 1094
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: JAY MARSHALL
Just spoke to Jay Marshall on the Phone. How else? He's doing
fine, at St. Mary's Hospital in Rochester, Minnesota. Up and
around, Jay said he flies home this coming Friday. There's a show
he plans to go to on Saturday! He said, following open heart
surgery, "Now I'm a member of the Zipper club!"He said there was
another magician, from N.Y. (I missed the name)
who was up there for some work on his eyes. After a day, he had
some chest pains... they discovered a heart problem with him and
speedy work with the "Balloon" fixed him up just fine. Luckily he
was right there were the best help was at hand.
Msg #1080 Dated 14:24:11 08-27-90
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: NEW RESTAURANT PUB.
The following is subscription information for "The Magic Menu," a new
8-page bi-monthly newletter for restaurant and bar magicians. The cost
for six issues is $15.00 yearly. The mailing address is: Jim Sisti, 40
Noe Place, Apt. A-8, Beacon Falls, CT 06403. Featured are articles on
all phases of restaurant and bar work: taking tips, handling unruly
spectators and more. Also, original magic and guest columns from
Eugene Burger, Al (the Only) Ulman, Kirk Charles and other highly
respected workers. Hope to answer any questions you may have here on
the MAGIC! BBS.
Msg #1081 Dated 14:27:56 08-27-90 -> 1086
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "THE MAGIC MENU"
Glad to hear from you, Pete. I was a big fan of your column in GENII
so it was a pleasure to hear of your interest in my endeavor. Please
find the mailing address and subscription information posted as message
#1080. Also, by any chance, are you connected to the PRODIGY service?
I saw another Pete Biro and was wondering if it was the same. Hope to
talk with you frequently! Thanks.
Msg #1082 Dated 15:48:29 08-27-90 1061 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: RIDDLE FOR TODAY
Wow, all this time I thought it was Okito (Tokio). I do recall
Long Tack Sam and will check this out. Thanks for the memories. -TC-
Msg #1083 Dated 15:49:56 08-27-90 1073 <--> 1087
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RISING CARDS
Speaking of Mr. Goshman, how is he getting along? Did he ever find
someone to take over Magic By Gosh?
Msg #1086 Dated 17:48:38 08-27-90 1081 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: "THE MAGIC MENU"
Good god, not another with the same name? No, I am not on Prodigy,
altho a few of my friends are. I use Compuserve almost twice a day and
the same here on MAGIC! I am very near to having logged on 200 times!
Msg #1087 Dated 17:49:44 08-27-90 1083 <--> 1115
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RISING CARDS
I phone Goshman, but his phone was "switched" to answer at the Magic By
Gosh" office instead of his home. And his son answered. His son did not
know who I was (that's OK) and said, "I am new to magic, and I hope to
learn all I can and dad has given me the business to run. I want to get
it going strong, I don't plan to expand, but to just do the best job I
can at keeping it going as good as possible." He suggested I call again
some time and I just haven't followed up. I understand he is not doing
the greatest, but only hearsay. His son didn't really want to talk
about it with me, as he didn't know who I was. He did say, somthing
like, "Hey, he is getting old, he's 70 now, etc. etc.""" Anyway, will
be in touch.
Msg #1088 Dated 20:30:24 08-27-90 -> 1103
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "THE MAGIC MENU"
I'd like to send you a complimentary copy of "The Magic Menu," if you
would like to see it. I'd be very interested in your opinion. Are you
still writing for GENII? My subscription ran out about a year ago and
I only get copies of it sporadically. Frank Garcia will be writing
about the newsletter in the next issue of "Magic Manuscript." Anyway,
please leave a mailing address if you're interested.
Msg #1089 Dated 20:37:14 08-27-90
From: JIM SISTI
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: RESTAURANT MAGIC ARTS.
Tried phoning you at the GENII office but you were at the printers. I
would like to contribute a series of articles on restaurant and bar
magic to GENII if you would be interested. I have just started a
newsletter for restaurant magicians that has gotten very good reviews
from Gene Burger, Kirk Charles, Al the Only, Frank Garcia, Doc Eason,
Karl Norman and others. I sent a copy to Bill Pol at the Castle if
you're interested in seeing it. It's called "The Magic Menu." Please
advise about the articles. I would be glad to send along a sample of
my work.
Msg #1090 Dated 22:55:28 08-27-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: GENII!
Dante:
Just got the new issue of Genii today, and I only have one thing to
say.
W WW W WWWWWWWW W WW W
W W W W WW WW W W W W
WW WW WWWWWWWW W W
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Dave Magnenat
Msg #1091 Dated 0:18:36 08-28-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re:
ALL: What's a "public domain video", and how do I get them? Dave
Magnenat
Msg #1092 Dated 0:34:43 08-28-90 1070 <--> 1099
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: COMPUTER TRICK
Thanks for the file, Jon. Will take a look at it and I'm sure others
will too.
Msg #1094 Dated 0:42:43 08-28-90 1078 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAY MARSHALL
Thanks for the Jay Marshall update, Pete! Please let him know that all
of us wish him well.
Msg #1099 Dated 1:07:34 08-28-90 1070 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: COMPUTER TRICK
Jon's file, YEDID.ZIP, is now available for downloading. Remember that
THE MAGIC NUMBER is 13! That means that when you want to view the list
of available MAGIC! files you go to the File Menu (From the Main Menu,
type F and press the ENTER key) and then type L;13 (the
letter L followed by a semi-colon [;] followed by the number 13) and
press the ENTER key. I hope to get rid of the extra step and the
need to remember the number 13 in the near future.
Anyway, Jon's program is interesting. One suggestion is to make sure
that you have your Caps Lock ON when you use it! Some of the answers
will only be accepted in upper case.
Thanks, Jon!
Msg #1100 Dated 1:13:12 08-28-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: HAINES RUMOR
I've heard a rumor that Haines' House of Cards has lost their
"sweetheart deal" with U.S. Playing Cards and that Hank Lee now has the
"connection." Anyone know anything about this?
Msg #1102 Dated 10:24:09 08-28-90 1076 <-
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: NEW RESTAURANT MAGIC PUBL
I would be interested in getting "The Magic Menu" please send the
info..
Msg #1103 Dated 10:29:52 08-28-90 1088 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: "THE MAGIC MENU"
Thanks... send to PO Box 1009, Gualala, CA 95445. No longer writing in
Genii as Bill disontinued "all" columns at the beginning of the year.
But I do write here almost on a daily basis.
Msg #1104 Dated 12:52:53 08-28-90 1052 <--> 1116
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WALTER JEANS BOOK
Thanks Tabby. The book is on the way to you already. Hope you enjoy
it. Best, Jeff.
Msg #1106 Dated 17:07:46 08-28-90
From: MARVIN STERN
To: STEVE BURKE
Re: CIGARRETE THRU QUARTER
STEVE: SOME SMALL WANDS ARE JUST THE RIGHT SIZE TO GO THROUGH THE
QUARTER. RGDS, MARV STERN
P.S. THE WAND ADDS TO THE MAGIC. MARV.
Msg #1107 Dated 17:56:24 08-28-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DOMO
Max: Thanks so much for your reply...I will search through the back
issues I have. Have you ever made it down to Okinawa? I spent two years
on the island while my father was in the Navy (a while back).
Beautiful! I understand your apparent attraction to Japan and its
people.
Dave Magnenat
Msg #1108 Dated 17:57:16 08-28-90 -> 1122
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: ETC
Ken: Thanks VERY much for the Chavez Information and the
nail-in-the-nose. As to WENII, I have a copy. I was looking for one
to help out another MAGIC!er, who apparently has also found one. I was
in the same shop (in Seatlle's Pike Place Market) last weekend, and
learned that the issue I have was apparently traded to the shop by
Harry Anderson, who's now living in the NorthWest. As to the Chavez
school...any idea what the charge is these days? Thanks, Dave Magnenat
Msg #1109 Dated 17:58:19 08-28-90 -> 1117
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ETC
TC: No problem, dude (as I'm sure "they" must say it in the music
business). I was in a Seattle magic shop the other day and asked for a
copy of "Greater Magic". I was quoted $125.00 price! Is that too
much? It sounds like it to me, but I don't know...figured you'd have
some idea. Is it really a "necessary" book (whatever that means)? Dave
Magnenat
Msg #1110 Dated 17:58:49 08-28-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: TOPS #1
I have the entire fist volume of the New Tops magazine (minus issues 5
and 10), and most of the second volume, all in mint condition. I'm not
looking to sell them (though I could be persuaded), but want to know
how much they'd be worth. I think Haryy Anderson traded them to the
magic shop I bought them at (for whatever that's worth...it's not
verifiable).
Thanks,
Dave Magnenat
Msg #1111 Dated 18:00:42 08-28-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: CARD FORCE
Forget where I read about this one, but it's kinda neat.
Force card on bottom of deck. Deck in left hand dealing position.
Pull down bottom (force) card with little finger, then move entire deck
forward in hand, retaining the force card in the palm. Bevel the deck
backwards (toward your body) so the end result is what appears to be
the entire deck "spread" lengthwise from the leading edge of the left
hand back toward the body. The force card is held in the palm under
the spread cards. Allow the suck, er, spectator to draw as many cards
from the bottom of the spread and replace on the top as he likes.
Square up (thereby replacing the force card) and turn the deck face
toward him saying "this is the card you chose". Don't say "of your own
free will"...that's like a kid returning from the kitchen and saying
out of the blue "I didn't have any candy". You know right away the kid
did, and your audience will know you've done the move.
Have fun with it!
Dave Magnenat
Msg #1112 Dated 20:09:35 08-28-90 -> 1120
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: DENTAL FLOSS TRICK
Does anyone have any source information on a version of Gypsy Thread
done with dental floss? Brian Flora makes mention of it on one of his
magic marketing tapes. It sounds like it might be pretty good, but I
can't seem to work out a method. The stuff is almost impossible to
work with!
Msg #1115 Dated 8:16:53 08-29-90 1087 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RISING CARDS
Thanks for the information. When I saw the ad for Magic By Gosh
being for sale in Genii, I started to call and see about buying
it, but I figured someone like Tannens, or al would have already
picked up on it. The longer I waited, the less chance I figured
I had. I'm glad his son has taken it over and I wish him the best.
Thanks Pete. Keep us posted on Gosh's condition. -- TC --
Msg #1116 Dated 8:21:13 08-29-90 1104 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: WALTER JEANS BOOK
Great. I do read each and every book as they come in, If my mind
wasn't so twisted maybe I'd remember more. I appreciate your taking
the time to inform me of the copy there in your establishment. --TC--
Msg #1117 Dated 8:23:27 08-29-90 1109 <--> 1118
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: ETC
Dave, depending on the condition, edition (printing) etc 125 could be
a good price. As far as necessary for the magicians library, I'd sauy
that again it would depend on what you're into. It is a giant compen-
dium of "tricks" and also contains a lot of other good info. I wouldn't
be surprised if some book published (Lloyd ??, Meyer????) doesn't
bring out a "new" edition sometime in the near future. As far as the
book collector (me) is concerned, it is necessary for the library,
though the pleasure here is in the having not in the using. Find out
what edition it is, etc and let me know. The dude, --TC--
Msg #1118 Dated 8:45:11 08-29-90 1109 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: ETC
Back again. Dave Meyer has a five volume library edition of Greater
Magic for $75. Contact Meyer Books, Box 427, Glenwood, IL 60425. This
sounds pretty good. His service is excellent and priced fairly. If you
contact him, tellem TC sent you. The Dude, --TC----
Msg #1120 Dated 11:21:30 08-29-90 1112 <--> 1202
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: DENTAL FLOSS TRICK
My guess is you should use a dental floss container and put some easier
to use thread or string(?) into it.
Msg #1122 Dated 20:23:01 08-29-90 1108 <-
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: ETC
No, I do not know the current price but if you call Dale Salwak at
(714) 593-5374 he will answer any questions you might have about the
school..
Ken
Msg #1123 Dated 21:08:39 08-29-90
From: JON LUCKE
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: DENTAL FLOSS TRICK
An alternative handling of Lonnie Chevrie's Gypsy Floss was
written up by Charles Greene for his October, 1986 Genii issue.
I don't know the source for the original Chevrie method, but this
article might give you some ideas to work with in developing your
own version.
Msg #1125 Dated 22:00:23 08-29-90 -> 1133
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: THANKS
Dave , Thanks for the Kind word. Michael Ammar really pushed to make it
"current" news. He has a video coming out of the whole trip. Should be
most interesting.
Dante..............................................
Msg #1127 Dated 22:30:24 08-29-90 -> 1131
From: JEFF BERMAN
To: ALL
Re: DOWNLOADING
Help! I downloaded the YEDID.ZIP program but only got a bunch of
computer lettering when attempting to print it. Does anyone know what
happened?
Msg #1128 Dated 2:02:57 08-30-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: MEMORY "TEST"
Just saw an interesting thing on TV...a program selling a memory
system. In it, a man offered a deck of cards to another of the panel
members to shuffle. He got the deck back, cut it, then fanned and
offered it to the host for a card selection. The host set the card
aside, face down, showing it to no one. The demonstrator then ran
through the deck very quickly, claiming to memorize each card as he
sighted it. Again, this was done very quickly. He saved the last two
cards of the deck(not looking at them), then said"I don't remember
seeing..." and named the three cards. The last two are named first,
then the selected card. Interesting, eh? Sounds like fair shuffle,
glimpse the bottom card, classic (or other fan) force, then buildup &
reveal. The last two cards could be sighted during the rapid turning
over of the cards from the left hand dealing position. It cam across
quite well, but anyone with some magical knowledge is bound to perk up
when a "demonstration using playing cards" is mentioned! Dave Magnenat
Msg #1131 Dated 2:25:39 08-30-90 1127 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JEFF BERMAN (X)
Re: DOWNLOADING
Jeff, maybe I can help. YEDID.ZIP is a compressed "package" that
includes both a short printed message and a computer program. The
program is written in BASIC and cannot be printed directly; it is
designed to run on an IBM/clone computer just like any other program.
The "ZIP" at the end of the filename means that it has been compressed
and packaged. It is sort of like sending several things in a single
envelope. The use of ZIP (and a few other programs such as ARC and
LHZ) for file transfers is done for two reasons. 1) by putting several
related files together in one "envelope" it assures the user of getting
all of the different parts, and, 2) since it is compressed, the time it
takes to send it from MAGIC! to your computer is much shorter.
In order to use a ZIPped file, once you have downloaded it you have to
"UNZIP" it. You need a special program, named PKUNZIP.EXE to do that.
PKUNZIP.EXE can also be downloaded from MAGIC! I'll try to put some
directions for unzipping together during the next couple of days.
Does that help so far?
Msg #1133 Dated 6:10:45 08-30-90 1125 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: THANKS
No Genii on the east coast yet, but I'm getting excited.
Msg #1134 Dated 15:03:13 08-30-90 -> 1146
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RISING CARDS
Tabby,
It was nice to hear from you on the rising card. Houston, huh.
That's where I live -- actually down in Clear Lake. Did you know any
of the local guys? You were asking about the oriental magic book. I
think the specific one you ask about was one of the Albo books (with
"help" from Eric Lewis and others). The last list I show had it for
$650. The Albo books are real expensive. Talk to you soon.
Charlie
Msg #1135 Dated 15:08:29 08-30-90 -> 1144
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: HUMMERACLE
For anyone that is interested, I've written a small,
simple program to practice Max Abrams' excellent trick,
Hummeracle, from the latest issue of Genii. I often write
such programs to help me practice. They usually consist of
little more than random number generators for cards, as is
the case with this program.
Anyway, the program is uploaded as HUMMERAC.EXE. The
program is fairly straight-forward provided you know the
trick. If you have the March 1990 issue of Genii and have
read the description, you shouldn't have any problems using
the program. (And if you don't have the March issue of
Genii, what are you waiting for. Otherwise this program
won't do you much good.)
To use the program, basically just follow the sequence of
the menu. That is, have three cards removed from the deck
(menu item 1); have the spectator select one and switch the
other two (item 2); mix the cards (items 3, 4, and 5 as
needed); have spectator choose one of the three cards and
turn it face up (items 6 and either 7, 8, or 9); and,
finally, turn the other cards face-up if necessary (items 7,
8, and/or 9). Selecting menu item 10 will reveal the chosen
card and item 11 will quit the program. Of course you need
not quit, simply go back to item 1 and continue practicing.
If you've read the article, this should be clear.
Please note, the program is not very fancy or smart. I
wrote it in about 15 minutes. I wasn't try to write
anything of professional quality, just something to help me
practice an effect that I think is very good but needs some
practice to present effectively. If anyone has any problems
or suggestions I'd be glad to hear them. Hope you find this
useful.
Charlie
Msg #1136 Dated 16:44:46 08-30-90
From: MARVIN STERN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: YOUR MESSAGE 438 - CARD P
STAN. I AM INTERESTED IN ALL TYPES OF CARD PREDICTIONS. YOU MENTIONED
AN INPROVEMENT OF HIRUHITO HIRATA'S CARD PREDICTION. I'M NOT FAMILIAR
WITH THAT EFFECT. CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN? THANKS MUCH.
SIGNED MARVIN STERN.
Msg #1139 Dated 20:29:27 08-30-90 -> 1141
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: T.V. MEMORY TEST
What you saw was a 1/2 hour "info-commercial" put together by none
other than Harry Lorayne. The guy doing the card memory stunt was
Hiawatha Johnson, a well-known close-up worker in NYC. I've seen him
work at Tannen's Jubilee. Anyway, the effect that he did could also be
accomplished with another method...one that I think would be cleaner.
He was using Bicycle Rider-Backs...it could have been a Ted Lesley
deck. The cards could then be shuffled as much as the spectator
desired. The bad thing about the whole show is that Lorayne padded the
entire panel of "memory experts" with magicians. In addition to
Hiawatha, there was Bob Elliot and Mark Sicher, whose magic was just
featured in an entire issue of "Apocalypse." (Now there's an
interesting coincidence!) All in all, it's bad for magic for magicians
(especially those who are as well-thought of as Lorayne) to use magical
techniques to deceive. Regardless of the method, I think we both agree
that the "memory test" card stunt was a trick! It's a shame!
Msg #1141 Dated 20:53:37 08-30-90 1139 <--> 1147
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: T.V. MEMORY TEST
Sorry I didn't SEE it. But, the memory stuff is real. I had a friend
that could have someone take half the deck at random. He would look at
the remaining half and could tell you what cards you retained. He was
Frank Shields, a great cardman bartender. He has since passed away.
Also, there are other short versions that take little time. It is all
in Mnumonics (spelling?)... Recently in Las Vegas Geno Munari showed me
how you can have someone take ANY card, you then very quickly deal
throught the pack face up, counting. Like in BlackJack counting and you
know the value of the card immediately. A little fishing or one look
thru the deck to see which suit of the value is missing and you have
it. No forcing, no method...Just counting! Adios.
Msg #1144 Dated 23:44:14 08-30-90 1135 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: HUMMERACLE
Charlie -
Thanks for uploading HUMMERAC.EXE. Was I reading something strange in
the code, or did you really write it in ADA? Unfortunately, for some
reason, the program hangs on my machine, causing a lockup and requiring
me to reboot! I don't know if anyone else is having the problem. In
my case, it occurs right after start-up. I get no menus, nothing, it
locks right after I start it.
Msg #1145 Dated 23:55:19 08-30-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MINDSCAN.EXE
Jim Sisti has uploaded a nice computer magic program, MINDSCAN.EXE. It
is one of the nicer programs of this type that I've seen. One note: on
exiting, it may leave your Caps Lock key reversed! Not a big problem,
but you may want to reboot after using it.
Msg #1146 Dated 10:36:49 08-31-90 1134 <--> 1148
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: RISING CARDS
Jean de Jean's step son was the drummer in The Urban Cowboy Band
when I worked with them. A guy called "Porky" who worked at the
local magic shop. Walter Blaney and his oldest daughter Becky are
close friends and I met Paul Driscoll a couple of times. I'm in
the Wash DC area now. Thanks for the come back. --TC--
Msg #1147 Dated 11:14:51 08-31-90 1141 <--> 1149
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: T.V. MEMORY TEST
Dear Pete: That casting out 10's to clock the deck is a pretty old
idea. Saw it recently in yetecently in yet another magic magazine.
Cornelius had it in the Linking Ring in the mid-1970's and that seemed
to get everyone excited about it again. Lorayne did a booklet on it in
the late 1970's called THE EPITOME LOCATION, then Fulves did one called
THE SHAMROCK CODE AND PARALLEL PRINCIPLE which he followed with another
called PARALLEL LINES. You might also want to check Ken Beale in an
early "Ibidem" for the concept, based on Jordan. Our on-line friend
Max Maven does or did some great stuff with it.
I do7't know if you know it, but I used to entertain with Frank behind
the bar and we were close drining buddies for a long time. Yes, the
deck memorization was real, but it was far more than just a simple
memory thing. The deck was distributed between four spectators. The
climax came when three of the four spectators held one card each, and
one spectator held 6 cards. Each held one card of afour of a kind, and
the last spectator was found to be holding a straight flush! That was,
for instance, the routine Frank performed at the end when he worked the
Magic Cellar. As you'll realize, there was a bit of a set-up that
stayed through the two riffles! The rest of it was a straight thing
and you really did have to memorize the portion of the deck you had and
then recall what everyone else held. The routine, from start to finish
never took longer than five minutes and it was STRONG. I recorded our
conversations on the handling etc, on audio tape during several
session. Frank really was a memory wiz -- he used to do the Orville
Meyer Magic Square routine behind the bar. We once did a joint lecture
for a college psychology class. Frank did the Meyer Square routine and
absolutely knocked the kids out. I wonder if you know this: Around
1977 I worked with Channel 2 in producing a special on local magicians.
Included Daryl, matt Corin,
t included Daryl, Matt Corin,
and Frank. Frank saw his old friend Demon Rum before the show and the
results were hilarious, but it turned out very well. At least some of
the routines were recorded for posterity. I also got a reasonably good
tape of Frank working in 1975 -- a session between Larry Jennings,
Frank and I shot after the Vernon lecture in Sacramento. Yup, the
Super Count is on tape. But, I also have Frank's complete explanation
of the routine on file, and I did learn it from him. But nobody could
do the routine like he did. Good memories, eh? Best, Jeff
Msg #1148 Dated 14:41:49 08-31-90 1146 <--> 1155
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RISING CARDS
Is Jean de Jean still performing? I remember his at the It's Magic Show
some years ago and was very impressed! He had one of the greatest walk
on's I have ever seen. He entered from the rear of the house carrying
a mirror. The follow spot was on him. The rest of the house, stage,
etc. was black. He focused the reflected light from the spot, with his
mirror all over the theater. VERY VERY DRAMATIC WALK IN. I loved it.
Msg #1149 Dated 14:45:08 08-31-90 1147 <--> 1209
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: T.V. MEMORY TEST
Some day I gotta see that stufff. Yep, there are some truly GREAT
MOMENTS with Frank. Do you remember the night Vernon came in about 5
minutes later than we did "so Frank wouldn't know who he was"??? Vernon
sat by himself and after some time asked to see some of the "stuff yoiu
you are doing for those guys" -- Frank didn't know it was Dai and
started doing his usual GREAT magic. Suddenly he looked at the old man
and recognised the Professor. Frank FROZE. Frank BROKE INTO TEARS. HE
COULDN'T BELIEVE VERNON WOULD GO TO THAT TROUBLE TO SEE 'HIM'!!! Then,
later there was a big fight in the bar. Frank was throwing guys over
the bar, guys were being hit with pool cues, but we paid no attention,
he just kept doing magic. We had to step over Knocked Out bodies
lahing about the floor! What an insane place. Let's be so glad we were
a part of that and a part of the memories!
Msg #1154 Dated 0:43:58 09-01-90 -> 1210
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: FAX
Jeff: I faxed an answer to your query yesterday, but I'm not sure if it
went through. So, let me know if you received it, or if I should try to
send it again.
Msg #1155 Dated 8:54:50 09-01-90 1148 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RISING CARDS
I'll find out. I've got his stepson's phone number buried somewhere
in the studio. Let you know. He was very much "the magician".--TC--
Msg #1156 Dated 8:57:00 09-01-90 -> 1157
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: SUPERSAVER/HOSTEL TOUR
So why not put the supersaver hostel tour together. Maybe Pete
Biro would host it if we put him up in the Holiday Inn. Your comments
on the BagDad page give me new insight. Chuckle. --TC--
Msg #1157 Dated 9:20:04 09-01-90 1156 <--> 1161
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SUPERSAVER/HOSTEL TOUR
What Hostel Tour? To the FISM? I have hosted three trips to FISM
conventions and was SCREWED by the travel agents every time. One guy
sniffed the $ and when we got to Lausanne there were NO registrations
paid. My group had to sit in the back row of the upper balcony. And I
thought we had paid 2 years in advnance! Another had us do an overnight
channel crossing on a crummy boat with no hotel rooms booked... and NO
tickets for me and spouse. We had to con our way on the boat and then
buy a berth "after midnight" from the Purser! Another had the air
tickets backwards. We were in Brussells heading home via a stop to
change planes in London. The tickets read London, Brussells. Boy if you
don't think I raised a stink at the airport until the head of the
airline somehow got us to London in time to get the plane.
What did you think of the Magic Castle Special?
Msg #1158 Dated 9:23:41 09-01-90 -> 1211
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC CASTLE TV SPECIAL
The ONLY real way to review this show is to see what the Nielsen
Ratings are. It is the first time, in my knowledge a "variety" type
magic show has been on in Prime Time since the old days when, I think
it was Garry Moore produced a few. I don't consider the Henning,
Copperfield shows "variety" magic shows.
I think the overall show was GREAT. However.... As much as I like Peter
Scolari, I just don't think his material worked. One friend told me "I
wish they had HUNG him in the opening!" Tsk, Tsk... a bit hard. When
you compare this with the "Secret Cabaret" it was far less graphically
produced... but that's OK. My guess is the Secret Cabaret (out of
London on the BBC) has 10 times the budget! Note: If you can ever get
a chance to see the Secret Cabaret DO IT... It is maybe the best
produced Magic I have ever seen on TV. Meanwhile... and I didn't take
notes... I really enjoyed the magic acts. James, Coby, Tina, all great
stuff and JUST ENOUGH... TV producers are smarter than magicians.
Magicians always want to do everything they know all the time. TV
producers grab the "choice hunk". Steve Spill's Mindireading Goose,
Golfinger and Dove 3-card routine is the BEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN
THEM DO!!!!! Ace Palmer's cups, his best. Jonathan Neil Brown's Rings
A+, Scott Cervine -- I would like to have seen more from him. And Lance
was at his best! Kozak is one of my favorites, but I would like to have
seen him on the Palace Stage... I have a feeling the members of the
Castle will not recognize the Demographic make up of the audience and
their STANDING during the shows... but that doesn't matter... that, the
party atmosphere was great. Hey, why don't the members Dance in the
main room of the Castle??? It looked like the thing to do!!! This
reviewer gives most of it (The Magic) and A.
Msg #1160 Dated 13:28:03 09-01-90 -> 1162
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
Al Goshman's condition remains quite serious. If you would like to
brighten his day, and say "Hi" to one of the great contributors to the
magic community, send a card to him at 11226 Kamloops, Lakeview
Terrace, California 91342.
Msg #1161 Dated 16:47:50 09-01-90 1157 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERSAVER/HOSTEL TOUR
Dante made reference to a supersaver/hostel tour (in jest) in the
new Genii (Bagdad). I just got mine here on the east coast so am
reading it today. As far as the Magic Castle Special is concerned,
I've been thinking about it all day while we did some landscaping
around our studio while getting ready for our annual Labor Day Party.
By the way, come on over --
I'd been wanting to see Kevin James and Rudy Coby and wasn't
dissapointed. Kevin James was super. My wife ( who likes magic
probably because it gives me so much pleasure (passion)) said
"nice hair". I know that the kid who played the part of the ghost was
supposed to give it more mass appeal - but .... I will probably
pop the video tape of last nights show in the vcr when I get back
to the house and look at it again. I personally loved the show. The
chance to see some new performers. The two ring routine was a joy
to behold. truly lovely. Lance Burton, whom I worked with at Six Gun
Territory in Kentucky almost a decade ago was also a joy to watch.
The masked audience was somewhat "out there" but I for one am glad to
see CBS doing magic. I hope they'll do it every few months.--TC---
Msg #1162 Dated 16:58:57 09-01-90 1160 <--> 1174
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
David,
Thanks for the info. Will do. ---TC----
Msg #1163 Dated 18:03:39 09-01-90 1060 <-
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: MENTALISM TAPE SWAPS
Earl,
I will be getting together a complete list during the next week and
will get to you the listing.
Invocational is HAPPENING and we look foward to seeing you there.
Louise says hi and we will be in touch soon.
Msg #1164 Dated 18:57:57 09-01-90 -> 1203
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: COIN ROUTINE
Can anybody suggest a good routine using 4 Silver Dollars with an
expanded shell? Seem like Jennings published one eons ago but all muy
stuff (books/magazines) are still in storage. Would like a simple
description so I can work it out from the forum. Adios.
Msg #1166 Dated 20:13:10 09-01-90
From: RON BIEBER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM DAY ONE
I understand and agree with your contention that manufacturers
or their Reps., and not dealers, be displaying at conventions to
avoid the inevitable product over-lap. However two questions
come to mind based on this contention.
1. Reps. and manufacturors can't cut out the retailers and sell
direct without creating problems within their distribution
channels.
2. How does it work at the I.B.M convention. Surely the dealers
are doing well enough to entice them to keep coming year after
year.
Maybe the answer is to restrict the dealers to a certain limited
quantity of featured items each that are on "special". However
some healthy competition should not be discouraged. Quite the
contrary!
Thanks, Ron
Msg #1167 Dated 20:14:48 09-01-90 -> 1197
From: RON BIEBER
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC CO-OP PURCHASE
Hi Bob and all others interested in the Magic Co-op
purchase
club. As an approved user of this Magic! BBS, (which means
that
you are involved with magic and computers), you are invited
to
join us in our next co-op purchase. The next products that
we
are considering for co-op purchase are:
1. Ruffing sticks
2. Custom color, velvet with gold draw string, prop. bags
(maybe
even with Magic! logo (with sysop approval))
3. Gimmicked cards, (ie. df and/or db cards to gimmick up
regular
decks)
4. Regular, (ungimmicked), cards, bicycle and aviator, in all
sizes
5. Custom designed and built, wooden combination close-up,
prop.
drawer and presentation platforms.
If you have an interest in joining us in our wholesale
purchase of any of these products, or suggestions for others,
please
leave me a message with your vote for the next targeted
item(s). The
price of these as well as any co-op purchases, are based on
the number
of people who participate. The more we can buy, the less
expensive for
all of us. If Interested please leave me a message.
Thanks, Ron
Msg #1168 Dated 20:16:48 09-01-90 -> 1201
From: RON BIEBER
To: ALL
Re: AMIGA MAGIC! USERS
If you are an Amiga user, you represent a very select group
of
Amiga using magicians. This says a great deal about the type
of
creative and original person that you are. I am interested
in
the possibility of using my Amiga and some of its unique
abilities to achieve some new effects that can only be done
on an
Amiga. I would also like to get some on-line, on-going
Amiga/magic discussions going. Please let me know if you use
an
Amiga, and if so, we can continue from there. Thanks, Ron
Msg #1171 Dated 22:00:01 09-01-90 -> 1180
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VARIETY MAGIC SPECIALS
Your comment that the Castle special was the first variety magic
special (i.e., not framed around a single star magician) since the
Moore shows, etc., is incorrect. You've forgotten such shows as the
Disney Kingdom special of less than two years ago; the "Magic With The
Stars" 2-hour package of five or six years ago; and more than half a
dozen such specials done for cable (such as the ones hosted by Dick
Cavett).
I can't agree with your assessment of the special, by the way. I
think the thing was shot rather well -- a few bad choices regarding
optimal display of the magic, but in general a good quality look.
However, acts were trimmed poorly, in most cases being cut off in an
abrupt fashion which undercut the applause (thus leaving the impression
that they were weaker than they actually were). Biggest fault: all of
the music -- which as you know in many cases was very carefully chosen
by the performers -- was replaced by "similar" music, all for the sake
of saving budget. Thus, you had some class acts being performed to the
equivalent of elevator muzak. Shameful.
Sound editing was also poor. I'm sure that Jonathan Neal Brown,
having practiced for years to get a silent link on the first phase of
his two-ring routine, was just thrilled to hear the "clank" edited in
on the tape...
All of the audience participation material suffered from the use of
an audience which was obviously made up of hired actors.
And, of course, the MC material by Scolari was dreadful.
Worst of all, as far as I'm concerned, was the shabby treatment of
the performers. Note that not one of the magicians got billing in
either the opening or closing credits. Combine this fact with the issue
of payment (despite this being a network special, all of the magicians
received scale) and you'll understand why quite a number of well known
performers decided to pass.
Msg #1174 Dated 0:53:03 09-02-90 1162 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
Thanks for your note, Tabby. I'm sure that notes just saying "Hi" to
Albert may help him with a difficult situation. Once again, the
address is Albert Goshman, 11226 Kamloops, Lakeview Terrace, California
91342.
Msg #1180 Dated 9:30:19 09-02-90 1171 <--> 1184
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VARIETY MAGIC SPECIALS
I guess I "wanted" to forget such shows as "Magic of the Stars" ,
etc. Didn't the Disney show feature S&R? Not tht it matters. I stand
corrected. I probably shouldn't have commented on the show as I was
watching it under dreadful conditions. Bobbi was trying out her NEW and
noisy vacuum cleaner and my TV set was out of whack. I agree with you
the music (when I could hear it) was low grade elevator-style!!! And
the ususal TV edits were weak, however I did like the content and the
time on screen of the performers for the most part. I would say the
strongest CONCEPT "for me" was the way Jack and Dove did the Giant 3
Card Monte. That is one of my all-time favorite effects. I can't recall
the performer's name, but about 25 years ago there was a young guy
who's entire act was that effect. He did it on stage with 3 chairs to
put the cards on. It was the STYLE, PATTER, ATTITUDE that he had that
was so good. Just like two Italian performers I saw in Europe in 1951
(that is dating me) that did the Passe Passe Bottles as a Gambling
effect, where the sucker was tring to bet where the bottle was. He
thought he had it won when he took "THE" bottle out of the tube when he
distracted the operator. He kept looking under his coat to see if he
still had the bottle, and kept increasing the bet. When the operator
lifted the tube and the bottle was there... it was the strongest
version of the bottles I have ever seen. The two guys were (my guess)
the Italian version of our Abbott and Costello. A great hunk. Hey, I
have strayed... so? Anyway, good to hear from you. Any word yet on the
ratings of the Castle Special? Scale? How much is that? I would really
like to know the Money paid. You can reply privately. Also, do you have
an address you cn send me on Eugene Burger? Later.
Msg #1184 Dated 20:29:58 09-02-90 1180 <--> 1189
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VARIETY MAGIC SPECIALS
I just reviewed the tape of "The World's Greatest Magicians from The
Magic Castle." For the most part, the magicians, who, as Max Maven
pointed out, didn't even get credit, did a great job.
Peter Scolari will probably overcome his role. After all, Raymond Burr
was edited into the English language version of Godzilla and managed to
land other roles.
There were a few mixed messages throughout, as if the show was planned
by a committee, and I do wish they'd spent more on camerapeople and
extras and less on dry ice, but, on the whole, it was good to see
magic, good magic, on network television. And the opening animation
was terrific! Wonder if it was done on an Amiga computer?
Msg #1187 Dated 21:52:35 09-02-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC CASTLE TV
I guess I missed the opening as I didn't see the animation. If it was
done on an AMIGA, or that type, I'd like to some day borrow the tape
and have a look.
Msg #1189 Dated 1:21:09 09-03-90 1180 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VARIETY MAGIC SPECIALS
No disagreement on Goldfinger & Dove. Their routine with "Giant Monte"
(it's the version made by Ton Onosaka) is terrific -- but it's even
stronger when done to the dub version of "Tricky Tricky" by Run DMC, a
perfect piece of music they searched long and hard for... which was
eliminated by this show.
It's no secret that scale for a production of this type is around
six hundred dollars.
Msg #1191 Dated 10:08:46 09-03-90 -> 1193
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MAGICAL LABOR DAY
Just wanted to wish you all a magical holiday (hope it's one for you).
Wish you were all here at our "Gathering Of The Few". Best wishes,
--TC--
Msg #1192 Dated 10:35:33 09-03-90
From: GENE NIELSEN
To: ALL
Re: PETER GROSS' $100 CLIMAX
Does anyone know anything about PETER GROSS' $100 CLIMAX bill trick? A
friend of mine is looking for it (having misplaced his copy) & I've
never heard of it. You can leave me a message here or my Compuserve
number is #77237,523: I check in on Compuserve much more often than on
Ecanet.
Thankx
GENE NIELSEN
Msg #1193 Dated 10:59:52 09-03-90 1191 <--> 1199
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGICAL LABOR DAY
Best wishes to you too, Tabby. (And to everyone else)!
It is a quiet day here (except for my almost 2-year old). I'm trying
to put a routine together for an upcomming show.
Msg #1195 Dated 13:47:32 09-03-90 -> 1200
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CIGARETTE THRU .25
I forget who was asking about the cigarette thru quarter...that wanted
to NOT USE A CIGARETTE. I suggested a rolled $1 Bill, someone a
feather. And I think another a pencil. Well, if you use the pencil why
not routine it into the Pencil Penetration of the Dollar Bill? I think
it is still advertised in Genii and Linking Ring (etc) by Timothy Wenk
if I am not mistaken. I know Copperfield featured it on TV and I
thought it was great!
Msg #1197 Dated 20:37:03 09-03-90 1167 <--> 1274
From: EARL KEYSER
To: RON BIEBER (X)
Re: MAGIC CO-OP PURCHASE
bags, cards and cards. esp, also????
.
How about rope?
.
Earl Keyser
Msg #1199 Dated 20:48:09 09-03-90 1193 <--> 1204
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGICAL LABOR DAY
It's 11pm on the east coast. The party is over. I wanted to sign onto
MAGIC! to see what's going on. Watch for me on the west coast in a week
or 10 days. I may be at the Beverly Garland. Magic is my life. Thanks
to you fellows I've got someone to talk to. Best, --TC---
Msg #1200 Dated 20:50:28 09-03-90 1195 <--> 1205
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CIGARETTE THRU .25
I tried a pencil once and found a brand of golf pencils that hard a
hard finish. Regular pencils tend to loose paint from the scraping of
the trap.
Msg #1201 Dated 21:38:29 09-03-90 1168 <-
From: BRET YOUNG
To: RON BIEBER (X)
Re: AMIGA MAGIC! USERS
Yeah! I'm am Amiga user. What do you have in mind?
Bret Young
Msg #1202 Dated 21:43:44 09-03-90 1112 <--> 1273
From: BRET YOUNG
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: DENTAL FLOSS TRICK
You need to use the waxed kind. It works fine for me. I learned it
from a lecture by Charles Green. I have since seen him do the trick
on TV.
Bret Young
Msg #1203 Dated 22:50:04 09-03-90 1164 <--> 1215
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COIN ROUTINE
Is that a routine with 4 silver dollars AND a expanded shell, or a
routine using 4 silver dollars INCLUDING a shell??
Msg #1204 Dated 23:21:13 09-03-90 1199 <--> 1212
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGICAL LABOR DAY
TC - If you do come over to the West Coast, and have a chance, give me
a call ([818] 899-8812 "during normal Pacific Time business hours") and
maybe we can get together. Would really enjoy meeting you.
Msg #1205 Dated 23:24:54 09-03-90 1195 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CIGARETTE THRU .25
Or you could invent Cigarette Penetration of Dollar Bill! I'd like to
see that one!
In addition to the scraping problem that Tabby mentioned, a hexagonal
pencil (necessary for Timothy Wenk's Misled) might show spaces since
the hole in the quarter is round and larger. A round pencil might
work, but then would be wrong for Misled.
The Pencil Penetration of the Dollar Bill is named "Misled" (and if you
believe Wenk's explaination of why, you should be in the audience) and
is available from multiple dealers. The direct address is Metempirical
Magic, P. O. Box 500, Stockbridge, Ma. 01262. Not only does it look
great on television, it looks great in close-up.
Msg #1209 Dated 8:16:20 09-04-90 1149 <--> 1218
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: T.V. MEMORY TEST
Wasn't there that night, but Bob MacKenzie wrote it up in the
newspapers. Had some great times on the road with Frank, working in
all of the bars in Oakland. Also worked behind the bar for Lucky
Lista. Do you remember him? Did you ever see the "Roll of Nickels"
trick?
Msg #1210 Dated 8:18:00 09-04-90 1154 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FAX
No, Max, nothing arrived. Thanks for trying and would like to hear
from you.
Msg #1211 Dated 8:19:41 09-04-90 1158 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE TV SPECIAL
Pete, I gotta agree that Goldfinger and Dove were the hit of the show
for me. Perfect timing, perfect CHARACTERS, and a lot of thought went
into making the routine THEIRS. I've always thought Jack and Dove did
great stuff, but they really shone the other night.
Msg #1212 Dated 15:06:46 09-04-90 1204 <--> 1222
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGICAL LABOR DAY
OK, and thanks I will call. Will let you know as soon as I know
something. I've got to go to GA on Saturday. --TC---
Msg #1213 Dated 15:58:32 09-04-90 -> 1214
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BOOKS
Max,
Are your books, Amperthand, Thequeal, and Thunday, available from
you. If so what's the ordering info? Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #1214 Dated 18:19:23 09-04-90 1213 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
Yes, they are available, although not a lot of copies left. Thunday is
$5, Thequal and Amperthand are $10 each (as are Doth and Fifth). Add $1
for postage. My address: 1746 N. Orange Dr. - Apt. 1106 - Hollywood, CA
90028.
Msg #1215 Dated 18:23:03 09-04-90 1203 <--> 1229
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: COIN ROUTINE
Four coins plus an expanded shell.
Msg #1218 Dated 18:26:53 09-04-90 1209 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: T.V. MEMORY TEST
I knew Lucky but never really saw him do any bar work. How is MacKenzie
doing and do you have an address or phone nr. on him?
Msg #1222 Dated 23:18:37 09-04-90 1212 <--> 1244
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGICAL LABOR DAY
GA, then LA? Sounds like you've come out of the mountains with a roar!
Will look forward to hearing from you.
Msg #1229 Dated 14:07:07 09-05-90 1215 <--> 1233
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COIN ROUTINE
Pete, I think the routine you are after is Larry Jennings' "Peripatetic
Coins" from Genii around 1965. The routine was, I think, reprinted in
Larry's lecture notes. Bob Ostin had a great handling in his lecture
notes ca. 1978. Derek Dingle had a handling in Pallbearers in V. #8
but am not terribly sure on this. Age is getting to me.
Msg #1233 Dated 15:56:10 09-05-90 1229 <--> 1301
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: COIN ROUTINE
Age is getting YOU. Yes that was it the Jennings routine. The name is
familiar. Gracias.
Msg #1244 Dated 10:11:13 09-06-90 1222 <--> 1248
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGICAL LABOR DAY
Looks like LA is out this time. Gloria (my better half) is a Capt
in Army Reserves and is on a 48 hr standby for the mideast. I'll
boogie down to GA and come right back. I will give you a call in a few
days though.
Just got Walter Jeans book from J. Busby Magic and will report on
it at some point soon. I've been getting books most days in from
UPS as there are a number of collections being sold off book by
book right now. Found Card Magic By LePaul 1st ed. advance copy
autographed to Sid Lorraine by Paul LePaul 500 issued plus Okito
signed Quality Magic.
Thanks for the invite to call, and I will. Better go. Best to every1.
---TC------
Msg #1245 Dated 10:19:53 09-06-90 -> 1246
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: JEANS BOOK
Many thanks for sending out the Walter jeans book and for the
newsletters 14 and 16. Say where is 15. I hope this means I'm on your
mailing list now. Thanks especially for the thoughtful and careful
packaging of the book. It arrieved in fine shape. Thanks again.
---TC----
Msg #1246 Dated 10:27:56 09-06-90 1245 <--> 1251
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JEANS BOOK
Well, #15 is out of print, as are #1-13. There are other things that
should interest you -- namely the Cortini book. But read the stuff
over and have fun.
Msg #1248 Dated 12:27:23 09-06-90 1244 <--> 1252
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGICAL LABOR DAY
Sorry to hear that you won't be in L.A. this week. Our hats are off to
Gloria, although our best hope is that she doesn't have to go. Hmmm...
I wonder, has anyone been contacted for a USO tour yet?
You are making me jealous with the books! Sounds like you are getting
some pretty terrific stuff. Just to brag a bit myself, I recently got
my first edition copy of The Vernon Chronicles, Volume One autographed
by The Professor.
Msg #1250 Dated 13:13:26 09-06-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW FILES
Two very interesting new files have been uploaded by MAGIC! members.
ESPTEST.ZIP is a beautiful program "to test precognitive abilities"
created by Max Maven.
FIRSTJOB.TXT is an article from "The Magic Menu," a newsletter for
resturant and bar magicians contributed by the publisher, Jim Sisti.
To go to the File area from the Main Menu:
o Type F and press the ENTER key.
To view the list of available files from the File Menu:
o Type L;13 (the letter L followed by a semi-colon [;]
followed by the number 13) and press the ENTER key.
Filesnames that end in ZIP have been compressed. Bulletin #4 explains
what ZIP does. The complete ZIP program is in the file area as
PKZ101.EXE.
Msg #1251 Dated 13:25:14 09-06-90 1246 <--> 1265
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: JEANS BOOK
Thanks.--TC--- Plenty of other things.
Msg #1252 Dated 13:25:59 09-06-90 1248 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGICAL LABOR DAY
There you go. Not to make anyone jealous. Just letting you know
this isn't a short term or casual interest. I will telephone when
I return from Atlanta.--TC---
Msg #1265 Dated 0:43:24 09-07-90 1251 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JEANS BOOK
Good, Tabby. More to come folks.
Msg #1266 Dated 6:00:08 09-07-90 -> 1270
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: PROGRM
David,
I had a lot of trouble uploading HUMMERAC.EXE. There were almost as
many bad blocks recorded as there were blocks transferred. I'll
download it and see if it matches the original. Yes it is written in
Ada. I use Ada for about 90% of my professional work and really like
it. Talk to you later, thanks.
Charlie
Msg #1267 Dated 6:01:07 09-07-90 -> 1288
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: GYSPSY THREAD
Jim,
I've enjoyed playing with MINDSCAN.EXE. I've really blown away a
couple of people with it. I have one suggestion, instead of using the
actual number for the value consider having the program accept the
first two letters of the spelled-out name of the value. For example,
if the card is the seven of spades, instead of typing 7-S-N-D, type
S-E-S-D. This is a minute point and may not be worth the trouble --
just an idea.
Check the Feb. 1987 issue of Linking Ring for the "Gypsy Floss"
description.
I'm also interested in your new magazine. What do I need to do to
subscribe? Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #1268 Dated 6:01:47 09-07-90 -> 1272
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GENE DE JEAN
Tabby,
Gene De Jean is still around and still working. He's also got some
of the funniest stories about his magical work experiences that I've
ever heard. The only time I've ever seen him work was at last year's
TAOM convention. He did his usual dramatic entrance, but the lighting
wasn't correct and instead of a dramatic walk-on, he had to feel his
way up onto the stage. It looked pretty bad. The rest of his
performance was very good. He finishes with an illusion that involves
removing a lady's midsection while she lies on a small table without
any box or such covering her. It is a very well done illusion.
Charlie
Msg #1270 Dated 9:57:52 09-07-90 1266 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: PROGRM
It is possible that line noise gremlins got to HUMMERAC.EXE while you
were uploading it. Let us know what you find out. And thanks for the
effort.
Msg #1272 Dated 10:22:24 09-07-90 1268 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: GENE DE JEAN
Thanks Charlie, for the info. Take care. I'm off to Atlanta in
a couple of hours so I'll be off line til Monday night. See you
then. Best, --TC---
Msg #1273 Dated 12:52:41 09-07-90 1202 <--> 1336
From: MAC KING
To: BRET YOUNG (X)
Re: DENTAL FLOSS TRICK
As far as I know, the Gypsy thread with dental floss concept belongs to
a magician in Texas named Lonnie Chevrie Jr. He is a great guy and a
super magician, Charles Green does the trick, but he learned it from
Lonnie I believe. Lonnie published the trick in a wonderful little
booklet called Maestro. It is the story of an old magician who taught
the young Lonnie magic tricks and life lessons. It was published in
1987.
Msg #1274 Dated 13:08:25 09-07-90 1197 <--> 1280
From: MAC KING
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: MAGIC CO-OP PURCHASE
I'd be interested in Rope and red backed Bicyle playing cards if the
price was under $20 for a 100 yd spool of rope, and under $1 for the
poker sized bicycle red backed decks. Let me know! Thanks.
Msg #1275 Dated 21:17:13 09-07-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAC KING
Re: NUTHIN
Hay... nice to see you on board. Here you killed 'em at the SAM... Not
much happening up my way magicwise.. .. will be visiting L.A. Monday
and bob into comedy magic club to see if Leno working Mond nite. Am in
Beatty, Nevada, about 100 miles N. of Vegas on way to reno. Maybe 3 -
5 cathouses on route. Takin pix. Lots of dust, no magic. Take care.
Msg #1279 Dated 15:27:40 09-08-90 -> 1501
From: JEFF BERMAN
To: ALL
Re: SEMINARS, LECTURES ETC.
I would like to hear about any locallocal seminars and
lectures to excnangehideas and learn
new concepts, routines, etc. I do attend the Castle lectures at times
but I'd like to see more available in this town.
I am a very serious amateur and have taken private lessons from several
people in the past. I am also considering some additional private
lessons in close-up. Who's available>
Msg #1280 Dated 18:31:58 09-08-90 1197 <-
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: MAGIC CO-OP PURCHASE
Earl
What ESP do you have in mind for a CO-OP purchase?
I have downloaded yedid.zip and mindscan. You may want to do the same
as they both are very good pieces of Computer Mentalisim.
We both look foward to seeing the Keyser's in Chicago in Oct.
Msg #1288 Dated 22:46:55 09-09-90 1267 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: GYSPSY THREAD
Sorry...the MINDSCAN program isn't mine. It was given to me by a
patron at the restaurant where I perform. I wouldn't really know how
to alter it, anyway. "The Magic Menu" is $15.00 yearly for six issues
and you can send it to me at 40 Noe Place, Apt. A-8, Beacon Falls, CT
06403. Thanks for your interest! I just returned from a convention
in New York State where some fairly prominent guys got a chance to see
the newsletter and all reacted favorably (Frank Garcia, Meir Yedid,
Eric DeCamps, David Regal, Bob McAllister, Bill Wisch and others).
Articles in the next issue by Eugene Burger and David Accer, and
up-and-comer from Canada you'll be hearing a lot about in the coming
year. Hope to hear from you soon!
Msg #1291 Dated 10:01:10 09-10-90 -> 1297
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: DUTCH MAGICIANS ON VIDEO
Besides being active as a magician I also enjoy to collect all kind of
magic on video.
This activity has become a hobby on its own, and in the past few years
I have collected ca. 400 video's, all with magic shows taken from TV
from all kind if countries.
.
Being a dutchie I have special interest for dutch magicians on video,
in perticular Fred Kaps. Unfortunately we lost this great performer
just before video became popular.
I just wonder if one of the Magic! members can help me with any Kaps
recordings from the US. I think about his appearances in the 60-70's.
.
In exchange I can offer various other Kaps recordings (like Kaps
session with Bro. J. Hamman) or let me know your wishes.
I can copy NTSC tapes (US TV format).
.
Best regards,
Arnaud van Rietschoten
Msg #1297 Dated 16:30:09 09-10-90 1291 <--> 1305
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DUTCH MAGICIANS ON VIDEO
I have, in storage and can gain access in a few weeks, tapes of Fred
Kaps I would be willing to trade. I am looking for the Kaps/Hamman
tape. It would have to be VHS (USA system for me to use as converting
here is extremely expensive). Keep in tough here. I am away travelling
now but will look for tapes when I get home. Let me know what you would
like to do.
Msg #1301 Dated 22:28:34 09-10-90 1215 <--> 1306
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COIN ROUTINE
The routine I believe you search for was published in the book "The
Classic Magic of Larry Jennings" page 24 and is called the Peripatetic
Coins.. the effect is that four coins invisibly travel from one hand
to the other, with a climax of the last coin travelling to the
spectators hand..
Ken
Msg #1304 Dated 3:47:40 09-11-90 -> 1308
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NHK
Pete: As predicted, NHK did use Norm Nielsen on the first of their
specials from St. Louis.
Msg #1305 Dated 8:44:22 09-11-90 1297 <--> 1309
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DUTCH MAGICIANS ON VIDEO
Pete,
.
thanks for your response. Take your time, I am not in a hurry.
>From my side I will compile a list of all my Kaps stuff I have for you.
I will mention what I have in PAL format and what's in NTSC.
.
Let me also inform you about an interesting development in the video
world that I do not know if you have heard about.
Panasonic has just announced a new type of VHS VCR for home usgae that
has the abilkity to convert anything in anything. So no more expensive
conversions of a few dollars per minute, buit just say I have PAL as
input andf NTSC as output. Very nice.
.
I have not heard any prices yet, but it will certainly solve a lot of
video format problems as exsist at this moment.
.
Back to magic on video, please also let me know what other special
interests youu have for magic on video. I only trade TV shows but have
a wide collection from around the world.....
.
Hope to hear soon from you again!!
.
Arnaud.
.
P.S>
Passed all the regards you gave me to your dutch friend as far as I
have meat them, of course all the best back from them!!!
Msg #1306 Dated 9:13:09 09-11-90 1301 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: COIN ROUTINE
Thanks... that's the one I want.. now just got to find my book! All is
still in storage.
Msg #1308 Dated 9:14:59 09-11-90 1304 <--> 1311
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NHK
Thanks Max. I just got the tape from Tamura before I left on this trip.
and the quality, content etc. looked great. My only query was that
Closing a show with Lefty? A talk bit? Not comlaining, but very
unususal for NHK. I thought the Les Bubb stuff came of incredibly well.
Can you believe there are factions in the IBM heirarchy that didn't
think the evening shows/talent line ups were any good!!!! What
convention did they attend?
Msg #1309 Dated 9:18:06 09-11-90 1305 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DUTCH MAGICIANS ON VIDEO
Thanks much. Will check on the Panasonic system. I am currently
travelling and will not be home for some time. Will check to see what
I have on Fred as well.
Msg #1311 Dated 9:24:12 09-11-90 1308 <--> 1317
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NHK
Thanks, Max. Appreciated the info in the fax.
Msg #1314 Dated 14:23:05 09-11-90 1012 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: JERRY ANDRUS ARTICLE
I was(am) interested in Jerry's box also. Did Jerry say he'd
written the solution. I don't have access to the Smithsonian
article,though I do have access to the Smithsonian. Do you have
the April 1985 issue? Maybe you could send me a copy if you do.
P.O. Box 590, Charlotte Hall, MD 20622 (800) 872-1224 if I owe
you anything if you can send it. Thanks, ---TC-----
Msg #1315 Dated 15:10:57 09-11-90 -> 1320
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: PROGRAM
David,
I downloaded HUMMERAC.EXE and it worked fine for me. What type of
system do you have? Have you heard of anyone else having problems with
it? Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #1317 Dated 19:34:09 09-11-90 1308 <--> 1322
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NHK
I was also surprised that they decided to close with Lefty -- but
rather pleased. This year's specials were handled by a new producer, as
you know, and it's nice to see that he did not feel obligated to close
with a large-scale act, but instead went for the intimacy of Jay's
routine. I've always felt that television, as an intimate medium, is
better served by such acts. It's ironic that illusionists get more
coverage on TV than any other type of magic, as I really think that
the television form is _least_ effective with that type of work.
Msg #1319 Dated 20:26:08 09-11-90 -> 1323
From: JOE FORTIER
To: ALL
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
Does anyone here have strong opinions about false count technique?
I've looked through my library and see surpisingly little on how to
make the count convincing. A fair amount of what I do see is
contradictory (for example, should both hands move or should one hand
freeze). Living in the hinterlands I don't see many others attempt such
things. It's nice in that I'm forced to think, but seeing someone else
can really help.
Joe
Msg #1320 Dated 0:57:55 09-12-90 1315 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: PROGRAM
I haven't heard of anyone else who has downloaded it and reported a
problem. I'm running on an IBM "clone" that runs everything else.
Maybe my download got garbled? I'll try it again and see.
Msg #1322 Dated 1:17:28 09-12-90 1317 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NHK
I agree. I always thought close-up was far more believable and
effective on TV than big box stuff.
Msg #1323 Dated 1:18:26 09-12-90 1319 <--> 1341
From: PETE BIRO
To: JOE FORTIER (X)
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
The two best exponents of the false count I ever saw were Fred Kaps and
Frank Shields -- sadly both deceased. You might look for Marlo's Super
Count in print somewhere. Doing it a million times and working toward
naturalness is the only way to go. Shields also had the most invisible
top change I had ever seen. He told me he would practice that one move
at least 20-minutes EVERY DAY. Jeff Busby can probably add to this
discussion. I think both hands should move. One thing Shields did
so well --at the critical moment-- was to angle the cards toward the
viewers EYES so they only saw the "END VIEW" of the cards.
Msg #1332 Dated 11:57:15 09-12-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FILE ACCESS
We have a number of new users, so I'm going to repeat some previous
information. The magic number for MAGIC! files is 13 (thirteen).
What that means is that if you are looking for the list of MAGIC! files
to download, you have to go to the Files Menu (from the Main Menu, type
F and press the ENTER key.) and then:
o Type L;13 (that's the letter L followed by a semi-colon [;]
followed by the number 13)
o Press the ENTER key.
Msg #1335 Dated 16:30:47 09-12-90 -> 1343
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: PK FACTOR
I'm interested in additional uses of the PK gimmick. I have one
built into my dining room table for an occasional effect over dinner
using cigarettes with needle also match with metal shim. I bought the
gimmick at Hollywood Magic in 1985. What about the new "slim" version
I see advertised from time to time?? Interested especially in
"portable" uses of the gimmick. Thanks, ---TC----
Msg #1336 Dated 21:11:54 09-12-90 1273 <-
From: BRET YOUNG
To: MAC KING
Re: DENTAL FLOSS TRICK
Hey. Thanks for the info on the Gypsy thread/dental floss trick. I wish
lecturers would give more history of the tricks they teach. It has been
a long time since I saw Charles Green lecture so I may just have
forgot.
Msg #1337 Dated 22:19:11 09-12-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: RON BIEBER (X)
Re: AMIGA!
Hiya! I own and use my Amiga 500 fpor just about everything...except
magic, that is. What kind of thing do you have in mind?
Dave Magnenat
Msg #1338 Dated 22:20:08 09-12-90 -> 1342
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WHO?
Thanks for the information about Harry Lorraayne...now nI'm going to
have to try & catch the show again to tape it! Does it have any other
good magic in it?
Also, I've wracked my brains (and the few books I have) and I give
up....What's a Ted Lesley deck?
Thanks,
Dave Magnenat
Msg #1341 Dated 2:07:25 09-13-90 1319 <--> 1350
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JOE FORTIER (X)
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
Most hand-to-hand false counts simulate the action of dealing.
Therefore, the optimum action in terms of psychologically setting up a
realistic frame of reference is for the hand holding the packet to
remain motionless, while the other ("dealing") hand moves forward for
each card, establishing focus.
Having said this, I must of course point out that rules such as
this are not hard and fast. Some of the best handlers of false counts
do not follow the above rule, but make their actions play naturally.
However, as a general rule I think the above is worth observing.
Msg #1342 Dated 2:11:45 09-13-90 1338 <--> 1349
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: WHO?
It is a type of marked deck that is particularly easy to read.
Msg #1343 Dated 13:48:54 09-13-90 1335 <--> 1344
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Chazpro makes several smaller "PK" gimmicks all with good power, some
with even more than the origional.. As to additional effects, they
also a great selection of accessories and sets to go with the "PK"..
One of the best uses for "PK" that I use is a thing called U.F.O.,
it is sold by Chazpro and stands for the Ultimate Floating Object..
With this you can make pins or balls float and pass a hoop COMPLEATLY
around them..
Chazpro Magic Co.
603 E. 13th
Eugene, OR 97401
(503) 345-0032
Msg #1344 Dated 15:08:48 09-13-90 1343 <--> 1348
From: TABBY CRABB
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
U.F.O. I've seen ads for it, but haven't talked to anyone (until now)
that has used it. I'll write Chazpro. Thank you for the information.
Best, --TC----
Msg #1345 Dated 16:36:35 09-13-90 -> 1351
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
I saw an effect where a marked quarter appeared inside or
between the layers of a business card. I've made one up using the
old slide from the coin in nest of boxes using split business cards
with rubber cement etc. The effect is quite strong. I'd really
like to know who originated it. I've been doing it a long time, but I
don't think I dreamed it, I must of read it somewhere. Help !!
---TC-----
Msg #1346 Dated 17:28:59 09-13-90 -> 1347
From: JON LUCKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE BOX
TABBY,
SORRY TO TAKE SO LONG TO GET BACK TO YOU. I MOVED FROM
ROCKVILLE, MARYLAND, TO PEORIA, ILLINOIS, THIS PAST WEEK. I
FINALLY RECEIVED MY FURNITURE AND OTHER POSSESSIONS TODAY. THE
FIRST THING I DID WHEN I GOT HOME THIS EVENING WAS UNPACK THE
COMPUTER AND LOG ON TO THIS BULLETIN BOARD. I DIDN'T REALIZE
WHAT A JUNKY I WAS FOR THIS BOARD. ANYWAY, ONCE I UNPACK THE
SMITHSONIAN ARTICLE ABOUT JERRY ANDRUS, I'LL MAKE A COPY AND SEND
IT TO YOU.
JON
Msg #1347 Dated 19:19:18 09-13-90 1346 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE BOX
Sorry you're not in Rockville anymore, but Peoria is pretty
nice too. I appreciate your letting me know about sending the
Smithsonian article. I sign on here a couple of times a day
myself. Let me know if you need anything from this end and
I will try to take care of it for you. I'm in So. MD in St.
Mary's county so you know I'm crazy enough to try anything once.
Thanks again for the comeback and for the news. I'll look for
the article soon. Best,
---TC----
Msg #1348 Dated 19:30:46 09-13-90 1335 <--> 1363
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Tab... Is the PK gimmick a large Magnet? Or what. I have used a giant
magnet for years to control dice! Sending this "private".
Msg #1349 Dated 19:32:30 09-13-90 1338 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: WHO?
Ted Leslely, located in Berlin, Germany, markets (and I bet there are
ripoffs) that is Marked very easy to read, When you know you don't see
why nobody else sees themarking, but if you don't know it is a killer.
Msg #1350 Dated 19:33:52 09-13-90 1341 <--> 1357
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
I just saw a "real" mechanic in Las Vegas do indetectible bottom deals
at a Casion!!!! And he says that both hands MUST move but it is small
movement and perfect timing that does it. I gotta believe this guy. If
you want to see him, next time you see Geno Munari, ask about this guy.
He is retired and hangs out in Las V.
Msg #1351 Dated 19:35:37 09-13-90 1345 <--> 1364
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
I invented a routing and handling based on something from Hofzinser. I
used a split plaing card, rubber cement, etc. but my brain canot recll
the complete routine. Did this about 20 years
ago!!!!
Msg #1353 Dated 20:00:52 09-13-90 -> 1359
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: ALL
Re: T.V
For the local folk, on September 24th at 8:30 on Century Cables Public
Access station (ch. 3) Johnny Ace Palmer will be on the tube. One of
the junior members has a sporadic show on and they usually don't know
till that day when it will be on but they gave him advance notice this
time. Chris Gongora is his name and for $40.00 he puts on a half hour
T.v. show for the Los Angeles area. Very low budget and very fun. check
it out. Also, a few of you were still wondering about Harry Loraynes
pitch for his audio cassette memory course. The thing is on EVERY *****
night about 12:30 on whatever station it is that sells anything. (until
the FCC steps in)! I'll try to tape it for you. IF I CAN REMEMBER!
Later...........Dante.........................................
Msg #1355 Dated 22:48:29 09-13-90 -> 1401
From: JIM SISTI
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: "MAGIC IN THE MOUNTAINS"
For your information, I uploaded a report on the "Magic in the
Mountains" convention held in the Catskills last weekend. If you find
it interesting or useful, you have my permission to use it all or in
part for GENII. Please let me know! Also, I'll be calling you soon to
discuss the restaurant article series with you. Please find an edited
version of an article I wrote for "The Magic Menu" on finding your
first restaurant job. It's also in the files section. I'll be in
touch!
Msg #1356 Dated 22:52:52 09-13-90 -> 1361
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: "MAGIC IN THE MOUNTAINS"
I uploaded a 1200 word report on the convention I attended last
weekend. I just couldn't find the time to use the laptop idea that we
discussed. I hope the report proves useful. I took the liberty of
leaving Dante a note saying the report would be posted. I was hoping
he could use some of the info for GENII. Thanks, Dave. Also, I just
got some "Magic Menu"'s back from the printer and one will be on its
way to you shortly. I'll be in touch!
Msg #1357 Dated 23:40:20 09-13-90 1350 <--> 1368
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
The question I was responding to concerned false COUNTING technique;
the Vegas mechanic you saw was discussing false DEALING. Two quite
different things. I'll stand by my comments.
Msg #1359 Dated 0:13:18 09-14-90 1353 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: T.V
Thanks for the info on the local show. Can't get it in my area, but I
believe some of the other MAGIC! members can.
Msg #1361 Dated 0:17:49 09-14-90 1356 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: "MAGIC IN THE MOUNTAINS"
Your file, MOUNTAIN.TXT, is now in the files library. Thanks for the
report.
Msg #1363 Dated 7:41:20 09-14-90 1348 <--> 1369
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Pete,
Yes, that is exactly what it is. But too "large" for portable
use. I understand they make smaller ones now. --TC---
Msg #1364 Dated 7:43:09 09-14-90 1351 <--> 1365
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
Hofzinser??? There's a book I don't have, but will have to find. This
isn't something I dreamed up, but heard of somewhere. The effect
literally blows people away especially if you can "steal" one of
their business cards a couple of days in advance, assuming it is
on quality paper and can be split. I just got a note from Richard
Hatch with his list of books. Maybe I can find a copy of his Hofzinser
translation somewhere..Mr. Busby, are you listening??----TC-----
Msg #1365 Dated 8:51:42 09-14-90 1351 <--> 1366
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
Dear Pete -- Wasn't that Martin Lewis' thing that appeared in Pete's
Leaflet so many years ago?
Also the Ted Lesley deck is longer a deck but the materials toake up
several and a book of instctions. Breese of London puts it out. I've
sold tons of these over the years. I should be putting out some of
Ted's stuff in the next year or so, when I find time.
Msg #1366 Dated 8:53:53 09-14-90 1364 <--> 1367
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
Tab -- Thanks. Yes, obviously magic is full time. The Hofzinser book
is available in a very inexpensive edition by DOVER.
Msg #1367 Dated 10:29:40 09-14-90 1366 <--> 1370
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
I've got a Dover catalogue around here someplace, I'll check
it out. Thanks again. You should be getting something (an order)
from me in a day or so. My trip to San Francisco got put back a
few weeks. Maybe I can buy you dinner when I come out if both
schedules permit. I'll let you know. Thanks again.---Tab----
Msg #1368 Dated 17:49:51 09-14-90 1357 <--> 1382
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
I wasn't criticizing your comment, Max... just adding more info for
thought. Be in touch, still on the road. Bye
Msg #1369 Dated 17:51:50 09-14-90 1363 <--> 1371
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
How big is it? I had a friend one time that had a magnet so large, when
he wanted to show me he had to drive a llnger route, as he couldn't
come the usual route as his VW didn't have enough power to get across
a set of railroad tracks.
Msg #1370 Dated 17:53:44 09-14-90 1365 <--> 1408
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
Will check, I don't think it was Martins.
Msg #1371 Dated 20:10:27 09-14-90 1369 <--> 1372
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Could be you're pulling my leg. Pretty funny. I had to read that one
a couple of times. Actually the pk is about 2.5 x 3.5 x 1 inch thick.
It is some type of alloy with the poles quite pronounced because of
it's power. Mine is mounted on a lever arrangement under the table in
my dining room with a string with a loop in the end I can put my foot
through to raise the mechanism. It lowers itself by gravity. When you
bring the magnet into play it makes a cigarette stand on end under
a glass. By rapidly raising and lowering the pk you can sometimes make
a steel shim loaded match turn a flip unless a train is passing the
house.
---Tab-----
Msg #1372 Dated 22:06:19 09-14-90 1371 <--> 1375
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
I use what is known in Gambler's parlance as a "JOINT". It is a magnet
made of ceramic that is the size of a large cigarette pack. The ususal
setup is to have it strapped to your leg with an elastic knee-type pad.
tht way you manipulate it by moving your knee, etc. The dice, under a
cup, are manipulated OCCASIONALLY to make them either all aces or
sixes, depending on the way the magnet is positioned. This is also used
for theings like turning on the lightbulb for various mental and card
items. Bob Ostin's BEAM SHOT and other devices using reed switches. Bob
Swadling "Swadling Swindle" (inventor of magnetic shimmed coin magic)
had methods of increasing the distance a magnet would operate by
ataching mini magnets near the reed switches. It was his Dad that had
the magnet he didn't think the car would cross the tracks with.
Swadling is a very big guy in the scientific world in England and a
fabulous magician (his wife too). Adios.
Msg #1375 Dated 0:48:39 09-15-90 1371 <--> 1377
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
I do hope that you folks are keeping these giant PK (as well as other)
magnets FAR AWAY from your computers, diskettes, and other precious
magnetic media such as video tapes! Otherwise, you may get some
unusual (and very disturbing) phenomena that you did not plan on.
Seriously, I was in an office where they had a DOS diskette that they
used to pass around between the different computers (this was before
the days of hard disks). That morning the secretary decided that she
was tired of constantly hunting for the thing, so she stuck it to the
front of a filing cabinet with a big magnet! We supplied a new copy of
DOS and some suggestions on diskette storage.
You would be surprised, however, to find how many disguised magnets
there may be around your magnetic media. Cabinet door latches, for
example. And there is a new bracelet, supposed to be an "ancient
Chinese cure," that is composed of EIGHT magnets! I can hardly wait
for these to become popular!
Msg #1377 Dated 9:05:18 09-15-90 1372 <--> 1378
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
You mean the car crossing the tracks is true!!! Evidentally the
pk is a "joint" as you describe it. I guess if you wore baggy
pants (which are in now) it would be easy to get away with. My
pk is covered with velvet so it won't "talk" when it comes into
contact with the table top. The effect is so good that I guess
the magicians (gamblers) using it just don't say much. I've been
experimenting with magnets in magic for 20 years and bought the
pk in 1985. I need to get the Edmond Scientific Co. catalogue
again and see what is new in ceramics. Aloha.
Msg #1378 Dated 9:09:49 09-15-90 1375 <--> 1381
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PK FACTOR
The pk scares me to "death" around my house because I'm in the
recorded music field. The magnetic energy totally destroys mag
tape too. When I first brought the pk into the house I ran around
for a couple of fhours putting it first here then there because I
was afraid of the thing and what it could do to. I guess I could
put one on a lever under my desk and tell people I don't like to
just put their tape "right there" and I'll listen to it later.
Just kidding (maybe).
Msg #1381 Dated 20:48:43 09-15-90 1377 <--> 1383
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
An easier way to use the thing is to strap (I usually use a ace
bandage) a piece of steel to my leg, that way there is no bluge, and
when in the process of sitting down, I place the magnet (which is in a
velvet bag, possibally used to carry cards) on my leg where the steel
plate is.. I usually select to place this whole arangement on the
inside of my right ankle instead of my knee.. This gives me slightly
better control and stability, all I have to do is cross my legs..
Also, if I remember my science correctly, if you place metal across
the poles of the magnet you will double the power.. Seems to work for
me..
Msg #1382 Dated 20:56:55 09-15-90 1357 <--> 1392
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
I feel the definative answer to weather both hands or only one hand
should move is this: How do you move when counting normally?? The two
should look the similar if not the same.. Change one or the other to
get the continuity and you will have a good move..
Remember, only YOU can decide what will look "right" for you, as
every one moves different!!
Msg #1383 Dated 2:20:01 09-16-90 1378 <--> 1389
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
I was thinking of your unique combination of pk and mag tape when I
wrote the message! The rule around our place is that magnets can only
be kept in the kitchen and only on the refrigerator. Even bulk
diskette and tape erasers are kept in the kitchen. Of course, there
are 13 magnets in the 13 speaker surround sound system and I do worry
about those. Props with magnets are kept in metal containers. Around
here, with diskettes, and audio and video tapes all over the place,
magnets scare me.
Msg #1389 Dated 14:16:01 09-16-90 1381 <--> 1390
From: TABBY CRABB
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
That sounds good. Maybe disguise the pk as a pack of cards or
cigarettes. Do you use it under a table in this fashion? This sounds
workable. ----TC---
Msg #1390 Dated 14:17:51 09-16-90 1383 <--> 1398
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PK FACTOR
I feel the wame way. This computer (and me) are in the control room of
our recording studio and just saying the word magnet strikes fear into
my heart. Fortunately, most magnets are close range. ---TC----
Msg #1391 Dated 15:46:19 09-16-90 -> 1393
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: REEL REPAIR
Pete, I ahve an old reel that needs repair. Can you suggest
anyone?
Msg #1392 Dated 20:09:32 09-16-90 1323 <--> 1394
From: JOE FORTIER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
Thanks for the feedback. Isn't "SuperCount" an equivique style count?
The Marlo count from the "Cardician" (the one with the the left thumb
between until the last minute) seems the most comfortable to me. I like
to add noise (aka Francis Carlyle) and move the top packet forward to
provide shade for the card sliding back on top.
I've never seen Brother John Hammon (I haven't seen very many folks,
Iowa is sort of dry...). The plot that grabbed me most out of the
Kaufman book was the multiplying kings (I forget the title). That's
what got me interested in the subject. It comes of fair, but with
no where near the conviction that it ought to. I have much better luck
with the Victor 11 card trick then I do here (by the way, multiplying
kings should tack on quite well to a Kannibal Kards plot, though I
haven't dreamt up a really satisfying fusion).
Once started I started wondering about other plots, ie. six card
repeats and cards to pocket. I realize that all my counts tend to be
special purpose things; theres not much in the way of a general
technique. Part of the problem is my confusion about what exactly makes
a count effective (yes of course regular tempo and voice are good).
I suspect seeing Bro John, or Frank sheilds (can't) or anyone else who
has mastered the more subtle details would help a lot.
One problem with any count of a large number is that "regular tempo
and tone of voice" becomes real difficult (folks don't really count in
monotone or metronome styles). This leads me to wonder whether counts
ought to be done as batches of a particular number, ie. one two THREE,
four five SIX, seven eight NINE... Make sense???
Ahh.... online session... I can at least make it to CA via phone...
JOe
Msg #1393 Dated 22:10:06 09-16-90 1391 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: REEL REPAIR
Geno: Boy, I am sorry you didn't log on a day sooner. I was in Las
Vegas but 'STUCK' with client the whole time. I almost stopped by on my
way out of town early Sunday morning but had to drive to Oakland in one
shot, via Bakersfield and had a bad hangover from too much Vodka Sat.
night!!! We (the race team) came in 2nd and 3rd--so not winning was a
real disappointment. Now, to the reel. What kind is it? Is it an old
P&L? Depending on what is wrong they are not hard to fix. I would be
glad to give it a try. Mail it to me via: PO Box 1009, Gualala, CA
95445. Note: the end of your message, following Anyone" showed garbled
stuff, *an arrow and a bunch more funny marks. I will be back in Vegas
for the Gold Coast 300 race and will be in touch before then. I think
it is Oct. 11-14 (also the SEMA show is on at same time, not sure if I
will go to that, or what). Will be in touch. Adios.
Msg #1394 Dated 22:16:14 09-16-90 1392 <--> 1410
From: PETE BIRO
To: JOE FORTIER (X)
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
Sounds like you are really into it. The Edward Victor 11 card trick,
done with Dollar Bills, by Fred Kaps was one of the best pieces of
magic ever. The Frank Shields version of Marlo's Super Count was also
a genuine classic. Jeff Busby is probably the only person that now can
do the Shields version. Frand wound up with the ENTIRE deck under the
spectator's hand. Without knowing the routine, this makes no sense, but
believe me it was a priceless bit of business. ALL COUNTING, ELMSLEY,
ETC. DEPEND ON A RHYTHM and each is different. I think you just have to
do it do it do it do it. Ooops, my battery warning light just came on,
got to sign off!
Msg #1398 Dated 22:45:33 09-16-90 1390 <--> 1403
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Well, I find that we have diskettes and tapes spread all over the
place, so I try to confine the magnets instead of confining the
magnetically sensitive media. So, if you ever do come to visit, please
leave your PK in the car and park on the next block!
Msg #1400 Dated 23:42:44 09-16-90 -> 1404
From: FRANK ZAK
To: ALL
Re: COMEDY CLUBS
Hi guys. I'm Frank Zak from Las Vegas. I am interested in working the
comedy clubs out here in the West. I have no qualms about going out on
the road. Does anyone know of any clubs that will hire without a tape.
Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
Msg #1401 Dated 23:58:36 09-16-90 1355 <-
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: "MAGIC IN THE MOUNTAINS"
Jim, I'll download the "Magic in the Mountains" report as soon as I
figure out this new "Microphone 2" program (for the Mac). I'll also try
to download the restaurant article at the same time. Thanks, Dante
................................................................
Msg #1403 Dated 0:26:39 09-17-90 1389 <--> 1406
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Yes, usually I use it under a table.. In this configuration it is
easy to control and there is no tell tale bulge..
In the P.K. kit I described before (from Chazpro) there is a
gimmicked Bic pen.. With this pen you can do the telekinitic timber,
but it is compleatly under your control.. For example, if you lean the
pen against a soda can, have a spectator call out "now" you can make
the pen fall away from the can.. Forgot this one was in that set, I
usually use the corks or matches (for a added bit, try loadind wooden
matches.. A little more work, but worth it..)
Msg #1404 Dated 0:33:27 09-17-90 1400 <--> 1423
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: COMEDY CLUBS
Try the Laff Stop in Montclair California.. They sometimes do, but
the pay might not be great!!
Msg #1406 Dated 8:24:41 09-17-90 1398 <--> 1407
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PK FACTOR
}iI will be coming for a visit sometime. I really do get to the left
coast a couple of times a year. Always at Grammy time (this year in
NYC) but usually in LA. My pk is stationary at this time and I don't
take any tapes, etc into the dining room. ---TC---
Msg #1407 Dated 8:26:39 09-17-90 1403 <--> 1411
From: TABBY CRABB
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Great idea on the wooden matches. I haven't written Chazpro yet, but
will be able to get around to it in a day or so. My current CD project
has had me hopping. The album has a track entitled "MAGIC" with a quote
from Rob't Lund in the booklet.-=--TC---
Msg #1408 Dated 8:47:09 09-17-90 1367 <--> 1409
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
Dear Tab -- the book is available from many magic dealers . . .
including me. I think we have it in stock, so next time around. Price
is $4.95, I think. Gee, thanks for the nice offer. You sound like a
prince of a fellow. Best. Jeff
Msg #1409 Dated 8:48:30 09-17-90 1370 <--> 1413
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
Dear Pete -- Am sure that it was. It was also in his lecture notes and
I think if you check you reprinted an extract from his notes. But this
is going so far back in Pete's Leaflets that I admit I could have lost
many brain cells since then.
Msg #1410 Dated 8:50:21 09-17-90 1392 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: JOE FORTIER (X)
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
Bye the way Joe, your mention of Francis Carlyle reminds me of the
obscure fact that the "Super Count" of "or "Victor Eleven Card Trick"
type of routine first appeared with a credit line to Carlyle in one of
the Hugard "CARD MANIPULATIONS" series. Just mentioning as a point of
interest.
Msg #1411 Dated 8:52:48 09-17-90 1371 <--> 1412
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Hey Pete -- is that one you got from Arkie Warner? Did you know that
my wife used to work for Arkie's daughter working casino nights?
Msg #1412 Dated 8:54:34 09-17-90 1383 <--> 1414
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PK FACTOR
A friend of mine -- Piet Forton from Switzerland -- was here and was
demoing a card trick. Placed the packet of cards on top of a 44 meg
Bernoulli cartridge. Only then did I realize that he had a magnet in
the packet. I keep multiple back ups, thank God.
Msg #1413 Dated 10:31:09 09-17-90 1408 <--> 1424
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
A Prince or a Jester, it depends on who you're talking to. Sometimes
better or worse. You should be receiving my order today. I'm looking
forward to receiving it on this end. Thanks again. I'll wait on the
little Dover book til next order with you. See you, ---TC----
Msg #1414 Dated 10:34:21 09-17-90 1412 <--> 1421
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Holy S--t!!!
Msg #1415 Dated 15:12:04 09-17-90 -> 1459
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: USED BOOKS, ETC.
As Tabby mentioned in one of his notes, Richard Hatch and myself
recently put out our first list of used books and magazines. The list
had almost 700 books and 2000 magazines, of which about a third are now
gone. We would be happy to send the list to anyone that is interested.
We are in the process of "beginning" (it's a long process) our second
list, having bought a couple of small collections. So if there is
something you are looking for, let us know, we might have it. If you
have something to sell, let us know. Also Richard does still have some
copies of his translation of the Hofzinser book. This is different
from the Dover book which is Hofzinser's Card Conjuring. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #1416 Dated 15:12:34 09-17-90 -> 1433
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: PK FACTOR
You might also want to keep the PK factor (and other magnets) away from
your wallet. A friend claims that his PK wiped out the information on
his credit cards and ATM cards!
Charlie
Msg #1417 Dated 15:13:00 09-17-90
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: JOE FORTIER (X)
Re: FALSE COUNTS (CARDS)
I've seen Peter Innis (aka Peter Studebaker) do the Fred Kaps Dollar
Bills and would have swore he was really counting them legitimately!
Really nice work, the rythmn seems to be the key. Regarding this and
other counts, Juan Tamariez suggests using a "clumped" count to cover
any actions. For example to Hamman count 7 cards (hiding the last 3),
he suggests counting: 1...2,3...4,5...6,7 - pausing slightly after 1,
3, and 5. This helps cover the actual switch.
Charlie Randall
Msg #1418 Dated 15:13:39 09-17-90 -> 1434
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HI
It was nice to talk with you this morning. Let me know if you need any
more books. Later.
Charlie
Msg #1419 Dated 15:14:12 09-17-90
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: RON BIEBER (X)
Re: CO-OP
Ron,
Please sign me up for the Co-op. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #1421 Dated 17:27:10 09-17-90 1411 <--> 1428
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Yes. Arkie "I used to Gypsy in the RATS" was his line. I also got one
and sent to Fred Kaps. The way I got this one is a long complex story
about a guy that got cheated out of $4,000 on night playing Backgammon.
He wanted to know if I knew what the guy was doing to him. So I sent
him to Arkie. And he brought the Joint back to me as a GIFT for the
help Arkie gave this guy. (I had asked him to buy the Joint for me, but
the guy wouldn't accept the money). I have a lot of stuff from Arkie.
Is he still alive? I have learned an incrdible new way to MAKE
"flats"f that change back to "level" during play and become
indetectable after about an hour. By then you are rich and gone. Geno
Munari is supposed to put this out on video tape soon.
Msg #1423 Dated 17:32:38 09-17-90 1404 <--> 1426
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: COMEDY CLUBS
I can attest to the low pay, but it is a start. Also yoiu can go into
most clubs and do a 5-6 minute audition. Try the Comedy Magic Club in
Hermosa Beach.
Msg #1424 Dated 17:33:49 09-17-90 1409 <--> 1466
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
I know I have lost brain cells! I do know I was working on various
tricks of that ilk, but forget the sources. Will look in my old binder
and files some day. Funny -- Martin "complaining" about him being
ripped off!
Msg #1426 Dated 23:58:02 09-17-90 1404 <--> 1436
From: FRANK ZAK
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: COMEDY CLUBS
Thanks Ken. I'll give them a call. It doesn't matter about the pay.
This is the first time in my life where I'm debt free. Now is the time
to persue the magic.
Msg #1428 Dated 0:17:41 09-18-90 1406 <--> 1429
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
It would be great to see you anytime you are in L.A. I haven't been in
your area (D.C.) for about two years and have no scheduled trips there
at the present time. Guess I could run for President, though, and let
the taxpayers send me.
Msg #1429 Dated 0:21:02 09-18-90 1412 <--> 1435
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
And you call this guy a friend? The old story of how to "get" someone
with a computer, say a mainframe with a tape storage room, is to get
some fine magnetic particles, put them in a case with a small hole at
the bottom, and gently spread them about when you are given a tour.
Most big facilities tend to run people through magnetic detectors to
prevent this sort of behavior now.
Msg #1433 Dated 5:52:51 09-18-90 1416 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
It's true. The little black stripe on the back contains mag information
and the magnet will erase it. I know. --TC---
Msg #1434 Dated 5:53:55 09-18-90 1418 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: HI
I have an appetite for books. I read every minute I'm not doing
anything else. I do enjoy collecting, but collecting to read. I read
them all. I just finished the Walter Jeans book I got from Jeff Busby
and really enjoyed it. Peter Warlock is a pretty good writer and the
book was well put together.
Also, enjoyed your call and appreciate your getting back to me. You
should fbe hearing from me in a few days. Tell Zaney Blaney I said
hello when you see him. He and I correspond from time to time. Most
recently, a couple of weeks ago. I write for a Dallas based
entertainment rag and am doing a column on Walter called "A Long Drink
Of Water From Texas". Hope to talk to you again soon. Be sure to send
me list #2 when it's ready.---TC-----
Msg #1435 Dated 5:59:53 09-18-90 1428 <--> 1437
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PK FACTOR
I ran for the county line a couple of years ago, but I got caught and
they wouldn't let me leave. I will be coming the the left coast
sometime this fall. I can feel it as the weather gets colder here, the
balmy skys of Southern Cal calling me. And you can bet I will call.
---TC----
Msg #1436 Dated 9:38:01 09-18-90 1426 <--> 1453
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: COMEDY CLUBS
If you call the comedy magic club in hermosa ask for Gary Brightwell,
he's the MC and one of the bookers.
Msg #1437 Dated 9:38:57 09-18-90 1429 <--> 1439
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PK FACTOR
All this magnet/tape/disk talk has me nervous. I have an enourmous
magnet somewhere in this room and I cannot find it. There are a number
of cardboard cartons stacked randomly that have a lot of my stuff
within each and no accurate labelling. Boy, what do I do. Aha, I have
it. Throw a handfull of small nails at the stack of boxes!
Msg #1439 Dated 10:08:13 09-18-90 1437 <--> 1444
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Fortunately, the magnet needs to be pretty close to the media to
do any damage. Throw nails but not discs.
Msg #1440 Dated 12:40:48 09-18-90 -> 1449
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MAGNETICS
Well, fun seekers. I did find my magnet! And guess what (OTHER
STUFF I THOUGH WAS LOST) I found stuck to it! The key to the
money box for my 1904 Caille Slot Machine, the keys to my
Goldston locked books and (after awhile looking for the 5th one)
the magnetic DICE that go with the "joint". The 5th one was
inside a dye tube! Now, where in the heck to you store this
behemoth? I guess I'll just keep it out of the office! Is the
book of ideas and the "kit" material on the market worth getting?
Can anybody here recommend some of the better stuff--effect-wise?
All I ever use mine for is a gambling dem, showing how to control
dice under a dice cup. Arkie told me how, at a bar, a 3rd person
(usually wife or galfriend) that appeared to be just a stranger
sitting nearby, would operate the gaff. The way he described it,
two guys would be getting into a dice game. The "mechanic" would
say, "here, lets use this ladies purse here (his partner) to
throw the dice against." It was all over. I don't know what game
they used this setup with, however. The best is with a cup as the
dice act pretty strange when they "roll over" like a trained dog,
so the cup acts as cover. Anybody interested in the gambling gaff
stuff should contact Geno Munari (on this BBS) as he is releasing
some more pretty strong (real stuff) on gambling scams via video
tape. Geno is an expert, and is the boss at the San Remo Hotel
and Casino in Las Vegas.
Msg #1441 Dated 13:48:27 09-18-90 -> 1451
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: UPLOAD OF ACE CUTTING ROU
Today I uploaded a text file describing an effect I perform regularly
and that's called Ace Cutting Mortale....
It's a spectacular cutting effect. A spectator freely cuts to a card
(say an ace.....) and you (Mr. Magic himself..) cut to the other 3
aces:
Ace 2 is cut while being blindfolded
Ace 3 is cut with your left hand (?????)
Ace 4 is cut by a spectator......he misses and you finally find the
last ace by counting down the value of the card the spectator cut to.
.
P.S.
I am also interested in the origin of the effect, I thought it came
originally from Marlo, can someone confirm that.
.
Thanks and a lot of fun....
.
Arnaud
Msg #1442 Dated 13:53:10 09-18-90 -> 1443
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: 30 SEC. CUPS & BALLS
Playing with my cups and balls (.....) I thought about the following
effect, that can be described as the "30 second cups and balls":
.
You table down 3 cups, and while lifting the cups, putting them on
one pile, and explaining it comes together with 3 balls below it,
the spectators remark only 2 balls are below the first 2 cups while
ball nr. 3 is missing. You look surprised look on the floor and say:
"OK since I have only 2 balls let's only use 2 cups as well".
Now you table down 2 cups, cup nr. 3 is gone!!
.
This part I have worked out, and found the vanish to be topit-able.
.
The intention is to have the 2nd cup to vanish as well, while a quick
production can follow in the last remaining cup. All should take place
in ca. 30 seconds to 1 minute.....any ideas, suggestions????
.
Bye,
Arnaud.
Msg #1443 Dated 14:22:01 09-18-90 1442 <--> 1448
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: 30 SEC. CUPS & BALLS
Here are some added ideas. You have the stack of cups. Lift one off to
right, one to left, then lift last cup and there are 2 balls. One cup
vanishes (your method with topit?) So, now you notice there is only ONE
ball left. Another cup vanishes. Now you go into a CHOP CUP routine? Or
you could use the Takagi effect where the cup is filled solid, nothing
can go inside. I also did a routine about 20 years ago where the large
lemon loads are accidentally (?) seen -- the spectators (these were all
magicians) SEE THE LOADS GO IN. They now feel bad for you. Poor man,
cannot hide the loads. But when I lifted the cups THERE WERE NO LEMONS
UNDER THEM. You might want to have some other kind of load also. Just
some ideas for you.
Msg #1444 Dated 19:45:50 09-18-90 1437 <--> 1446
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Or you might try wandering around with a compass. That way, there are
no nails all over the place, and, even if you don't find the magnet,
you can at least use the compass to help find your way back out.
Msg #1446 Dated 19:53:26 09-18-90 1444 <--> 1450
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PK FACTOR
Yeah, and I will then know which way is North. Actually, found it and
if you check a prior message, all kinds of valuable stuff that I
thought was missing was stuck to the big Maggie.
Msg #1448 Dated 22:13:08 09-18-90 1442 <--> 1509
From: FRANK WALTERS
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: 30 SEC. CUPS & BALLS
This is my first access to the Magic forum but Cups and Balls is one of
my favorite effects. I haven't done it in a few years, but you have som
nice ideas for surprises. I'll have to get back with you on some
routines later on.
Frank
Msg #1449 Dated 22:23:56 09-18-90 1440 <--> 1455
From: FRANK WALTERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGNETICS
I like dice routines but never used any gaffs. I learned how to stack
dice from reading a book! Boy did I throw dice all over the floor for
a week. This was when I was a high school kid and worked in a small
magic store in Brooklyn at night. I think it was Audley Walsh's book
but I never bought it, I used the one in the store. Now I use a couple
of jumbo dice and load one in the cup after I do a vanish of the stack
of dice. When I lift the cup I load the second jumbo. Then I demo how
to stack jumbo dice. That always gets a laugh because the two big dice
fill the cup. I lift it and sure enough they are stacked. I replace the
cup face down and palm a really giant die that is bigger than the cup.
For the finish I lift the cup and release the giant one on the table.
It always gets a good response.
Frank
Msg #1450 Dated 22:40:11 09-18-90 1446 <--> 1467
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Gee, that kinda makes me wish I'd lost a big magnet. I have stuff
missing in boxes around here that I never have found. One item is a
Polaroid camera (one that I'd actually like to use rather than keep in
the collection) and the other is a small television set! I really
believe the television may have been taken by a guy who was here to fix
a copier.
Msg #1451 Dated 22:44:28 09-18-90 1441 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: UPLOAD OF ACE CUTTING ROU
Thanks for the upload, Arnaud. I haven't had a chance to look at it
yet, but it sounds really interesting.
Msg #1453 Dated 0:47:07 09-19-90 1436 <-
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMEDY CLUBS
Pete, thanks for giving me Gary's name. I really appreciate it.
Msg #1454 Dated 2:01:13 09-19-90 -> 1460
From: T A WATERS
To: ALL
Re: HUMMERAC
I just downloaded HUMMERAC.EXE to my PC-clone (Tandy 1200hd); when I
tried to run it the machine locked up. I dumped everything out of
memory and tried again, this time with the same result and the
additional frill that the program tried to access my floppy drive (I
was running it from the hard disk). Anyone else had any problems with
this?
Msg #1455 Dated 9:27:45 09-19-90 1449 <--> 1471
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK WALTERS (X)
Re: MAGNETICS
If you want to have some fun, switch in a stack of dice glued together.
Also you can load a stack of pennies. Just get a tube that will hold
the right number of pennies. Then wrap it with brown paper tape so it
fits into the cup. It should be a little snug. Load it in, then lift
carefully and you have a stack of pennies. I also have, somewhere a
gaff that has a rubber band inside a stack of hollow dice, so that when
you wind it, the TOP DIE spins slowly while the spectators look at it.
For the record. I have the Dice Cup that belonged to Fred Kaps, it was
made for him by Senator Crandall. Crandall was the best I ever saw at
the dice stacking. His book is great. I used to also like the vanish of
the dice (you shoot them across to your free hand) it is a good
surprise.
Msg #1456 Dated 11:43:11 09-19-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: 2SZZG?K
Here's a great coin trick taught to me over 20 years ago by Bev
Bergeron. The effect. Four coins are on the table. One by one
they are swept off the table into your left hand. No moves. No
delays and the left hand slams down to the table and the coins go
through the table and are caught from below in the right hand.
Want the moves? Read the next message!
Msg #1457 Dated 11:43:44 09-19-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: COINS
Method: Place four coins across the table, in front of you, along
the edge, about 3 inches in from the edge. Left hand is cupped,
near edge so that when you sweep the first coin (the one at your
left) off the edge it falls into your left hand. You repeat this
with coins number two and three. The DIRTY WORK. When you sweep
coin number four off the left hand contains three coins. As you
sweep the fourth coin, the two hands come closer together and
(THIS IS THE CRITICAL MOMENT) in fact when the fourth coin hits
the other three in the left hand, the left hand jerks upward,
just a fraction, and THROWS ALL FOUR COINS INTO THE RIGHT HAND,
WHERE THEY ARE FINGER PALMED. This is difficult to describe
without artwork, but if you play around with this you will
understand what is needed and can come up with the timing. What
is needed, is practice. An easy way to practice is to start with
the three coins already in position and just work on the final
toss/exchange. Probably the single most important thing in
performing this is rhythm. You must develop a rhythm. And it is
good to count, 1-2-3-4 as you sweep the coins. As soon as you
have finished the sweep/switch the LEFT HAND, IN CLOSED GRIP
(remember there are four coins in it) comes straight up, to
attract attention. Pause for just a beat... then move right hand
under table, slam left down and in your best Slydini impression,
saying "Look, look, look", right hand comes out and pours the
four coins to the table. Bev originally taught this to me with
Quarters, but I have done it with Halves and Silver Dollars. The
heavier coins seem to be easier to handle. Have fun. And let me
know if you try it and like it! P. Biro
Msg #1459 Dated 13:37:46 09-19-90 1415 <--> 1470
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: USED BOOKS, ETC.
Okay, please send me a copy of your list.
1746 N. Orange Dr./#1106
Hollywood, CA 90028
Msg #1460 Dated 14:07:49 09-19-90 1454 <--> 1465
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HUMMERAC
I also had a problem with HUMMERAC.EXE on a clone that runs everything
else. But a lot of people have downloaded it and not reported
problems.
Msg #1465 Dated 16:31:12 09-19-90 1454 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HUMMERAC
T A -- hey, its nice to see you online. How are you and where are you
these days? I have moved up to N. Calif. to a town called Gualala, it
is 120 Miles N. of San Francisco, on the coast hiway. Built a house,
all kinds of stuff. Best, pete
Msg #1466 Dated 18:26:55 09-19-90 1424 <--> 1489
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
Dear Pete -- Still haven't checked, but it is not a coin in card a la
Hofzinser, but a bill in card. I can visualize it. Also was in
Martin's book I think, and in his lecture notes of years ago. But am
pretty sure it first appeared in the Leaflet. I have my file somewhere
and will check for you if I have a chance.
Msg #1467 Dated 18:28:46 09-19-90 1414 <--> 1468
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Yah, I almost died.
Msg #1468 Dated 18:29:17 09-19-90 1421 <--> 1469
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Arkie is dead for a few years and PGS is, I think closed. Irene runs
the casino rentals on the side. Did you know that Arkie had his stuff
custom made at Magnetico. Was out there once -- great place.
Msg #1469 Dated 18:30:31 09-19-90 1429 <--> 1480
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PK FACTOR
Well, I love the guy. He is totally computer ignorant, but a hell of
a magician. He just didn't know, or realize what he was doing when he
was in my office. Lovely idea YOU have, fella!
Msg #1470 Dated 18:32:15 09-19-90 1415 <--> 1513
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: USED BOOKS, ETC.
Hey Charlie -- I buy used books for my own collection. How about
sending your lists our way.
Msg #1471 Dated 21:13:24 09-19-90 1440 <-
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGNETICS
The Chazpro kit IS worth getting.. Has some Well made stuff in it
including matches, corks, rings, and a pen.. The pen is my favorite,
it is a standard Bic pen with a shim at one end.. With it you can do
all sorts of things along the lines of the Telekinetic Timber, but the
pen is totally under your command..
Just a side note: To increase the power of any magnet, cover all
sides but the one that will face up with metal.. This will confine the
flux of the magnet and dramatically increase power.. (I am VERY careful
to keep my magnets confined well away from my computer media.. Saw
that trick played on someone else once, was more than enough for me to
learn from)
Msg #1472 Dated 23:29:25 09-19-90
From: RON BIEBER
To: ALL
Re: CO-OP PURCHASE CLUB
I would have cleared this up sooner, but I have been tied-up
trying to complete a new act in time for a tight deadline show.
First of all, if you are interested in the "Magic Co-op Purchase
Club", I am the guy to talk to. Someone had incorrectly responded
to someone unrelated to the club, which started a chain of
"threads" which all were directed similarly incorrectly. However,
I would like to remind all interested parties that we are
currently looking only for ideas for a Co-op Purchase. Pricing is
based on quantity, therefore the more participants, the lower the
price, (to a certain degree). Pricing information will be
provided after a product(s) has been agreed upon.
Thank You for your interest.
Ron Bieber
Msg #1476 Dated 1:20:58 09-20-90 -> 1484
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES - VOL. 2
The second set of MAGIC! messages - #500 (July 11, 1990) to #999
(Aug. 21, 1990) have been transfered to a downloadable file -
MAGIC-02.TXT. This means that you can now go to the file area,
download that file, and read the second volume of messages off-line.
For those who know how to use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing
files, there is a compressed version of this same file. It is
called MAGIC-02.ZIP and is about 1/2 the size of the full-text
version.
Not only will transfering these messages to a file make it easier for
you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the search for
new messages easier and faster.
For those of you who collect MAGIC! messages, we are investigating
the availability of leather-bound diskettes for a "deluxe" edition.
Msg #1480 Dated 1:26:44 09-20-90 1469 <--> 1483
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
OK, so he didn't do it deliberately! As to my magnetic particle idea,
it was sometimes used in the past by mainframe programmers who were on
the way to the boss'es offices to hand in their resignation.
Msg #1483 Dated 7:18:48 09-20-90 1467 <--> 1486
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
When the optical disk, CD, gets into common use as the read
write storage media then we can put maggies anywhere.
Msg #1484 Dated 9:32:07 09-20-90 1476 <--> 1492
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES - VOL. 2
Leather? Hand Bound? I'll take Red Morroco!
Msg #1486 Dated 12:14:48 09-20-90 1483 <--> 1487
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
Don't I wish. But rewritable is out of sight now.
Msg #1487 Dated 12:37:53 09-20-90 1486 <--> 1508
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
It's coming though. A few years maybe.
Msg #1489 Dated 19:07:04 09-20-90 1466 <--> 1565
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
If I'm not mistaken, it was a _bill_ in card that Martin featured in
his lecture in the early 1970's. I recall that he used a chemical
capsule in an envelope to destroy the bill. The gag was that he put the
bill in the envelope (capsule already inside), then held the envelope
with a set of tongs "to prevent any mishap" -- and as he was talking
the envelope suddenly burst into flame, as he'd crushed the capsule
with the tongs.
A couple of years back, Ted Lesley came out with a marketed routine
in which a borrowed credit card was found within the layers of a
playing card. It involved a loader.
Msg #1492 Dated 19:56:15 09-20-90 1476 <--> 1495
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES - VOL. 2
"Fake" leather can be just as nice. Dante..........................
Msg #1493 Dated 21:16:26 09-20-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: 4 COIN VANISH
Playing around with the 4 Coin vanish I described earlier, I just found
it is EASIER to start sweeping off the right hand coin first, that way
when you get to the fourth and last coin, it puts you in a more natural
position with the left hand able to function easier - bouncing the
coins back into the right hand (secretly, of course). That was a case
of working with something and "accidentally" coming up with a slZ‹±å5
better handling. Gee, is it now MY TRICK... after all, it IS a
variation? Heh, heh, heh!
Msg #1495 Dated 23:49:43 09-20-90 1492 <--> 1503
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES - VOL. 2
OK, how about corfam bound diskettes?
Msg #1496 Dated 5:54:59 09-21-90 -> 1504
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: 5 CARD MENTAL FORCE
I have a question for everyone regarding Dai Vernon's 5 card mental
force using the KH, 7C, AD, 4H, and 9D. My main concern is how best to
present the effect. I had always thought that the best way was to
layout the cards and to mention to the spectator reasons for not
choosing each of the cards (e.g., "you might think I want you to take
the 7C because it is the only black one", etc.). Recently though I got
a chance to see the Revelations tape in which Vernon chastises Gary
Ouellet for doing just that. Vernon says DO NOT do the spectator's
thinking for him, but instead "strongly challenge" the spectator by
betting him $10 that you'll pick out the card he has mentally selected.
The spectator will then, wanting to trick you, be lead in his thinking
to the 4H.
Now if we look in the book "Early Vernon", the following presentation
is given: "Here are five cards in a row and I want you to mentally
select just one of them. Now let me emphasize in the first place that
you have an unrestricted choice, so don't imagine that I am trying to
influence your choice in any way. For example, here's the ace, a
conspicous card, that occupies the central position. For that reason
you may think of it, but again you may not. Perhaps you may think I
had some motive in placing one black card among the five - this might
influence your choice, but on the other hand it may not. There is no
way I could tell, for I am not a mind reader..." Vernon's presentation
in this case mentions 2 of the cards.
So do you mention none, 2, or all of the cards? In discussions with
friends, several have suggested a "compromise" approach. That is,
using patter to indicate that the spectator might think you are trying
to force one of the cards and mention 3 of the 5 cards. One card not
mentioned is the force card. For example, you say: "You might think I
want you to take the 7C because it is the only black one or the AD
because it is in the center or the 9D because it is on the end. Don't
let any of this influence your decision." In other words, instead of
mentioning each of the cards, only mention some of them, but not the
force card - 4H. I've tried this out, but the success rate is only
about 50%.
I have collected several outs, but I'd prefer not to use them. On
the challenge approach though, they give you a way to win back your
money.
Oh, and do you lay out the cards left to right from the spectator's
view (as I've always thought) or from your left to right (as one of my
friends insists)? Well this has been a little long, but I'd like to
hear about anyone else's experiences and preferred approaches. Thanks.
Charlie
P.S. Joseph Schmidt has a good memory aid for remembering the necessary
cards. Use the capital letters in the sentence: Keith Had Seven Cards
AscenD For His Next Deception.
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