MAGIC! 1500 - 1999
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Msg #1501 Dated 10:51:01 09-21-90
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: JEFF BERMAN (X)
Re: SEMINARS, LECTURES ETC.
I am a member of the International Brotherhood of Magicians Ring 21 in
Hollywood and I would like to invite you to one of our Ring meetings.
Our meeting place is the Wattles Mansion which is just down the road a
ways from the Magic Castle. We have a great time and we also have
lectures from time to time by various professionals in the business.
Guest are always welcome and encourged to attend. If you need more
information you can call our Ring 21 Phone number at (213) 660-2998 and
mention that you heard about Ring 21 on the Magic! BBS.
The Guy Behind the Camera
Darrell Murphy
Msg #1503 Dated 12:43:02 09-21-90 -> 1512
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES - VOL. 2
I changed my mind. I want Unborn Naugahyde.
Msg #1504 Dated 12:44:53 09-21-90 -> 1522
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: 5 CARD MENTAL FORCE
Frankly, I would try to do it word for word from Early Vernon. That was
written when the Professor was in his PRIME and working constantly. I
don't know how often you perform this, so it might take a while to get
a reading ont he best approach. If I were to do this I would have the
force card a JUMBO card amongst small cards and do some kind of comedy
version. But that's me. When I drop a deck (or if someone else does) I
start to pick them off the floor saying, "Eight Kings Threatened to
Save....etc." But, that's a loonatic (me) working. It only fits a few
of us.
Msg #1508 Dated 17:58:35 09-21-90 -> 1519
From: RON BIEBER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PK FACTOR
Since the discussion of magnets vs magnetic recording media is
such a hot topic lately, I thought I mention this rhetorical
question.
When I first got into computers about 8 years ago, it was always
said to keep media away from all the magnetic sources mentioned in
past messages on this system, plus, keep them away from monitors!
This due to the static charges omitted by the monitors, and
sometimes their built-in speaker magnets. The strange thing
though is that now most PCs are designed to be used right next to
disk drives, subjecting the media to all that once was a big
taboo. This used to be an example of how not to place your system
on the table. I don't think that new shielding techniques have
been instituted, especially in reference to the static charge
omitted from the face of the CRT.
Come to think of it, wouldn't computer disks and audio tape be a
good item to float or use with the PK gimmick. Most people would
not realize that these would react to magnets.
Just kidding David so calm down.
Ron
Msg #1509 Dated 19:03:11 09-21-90 -> 1523
From: JOE FORTIER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: 30 SEC. CUPS & BALLS
Argh, a topit?? That seems the wrong approach to me. How about using
the weird looking rim that's standard with all cup sets to create the
illusion of three. Something like...
1)As you show the first ball vanish, stack cups in left hand. Turn to
left to look for ball on floor, then pat left pocket to check there.
While so engaged ditch cup in right jacket pocket.
2) Turn to face audience keeping cups face on. Use both hands to
seperate cups one "rims" width while turning stack vertical. This
should create a decent illusion of three cups. Now (the bonus) you can
do a visible vanish of a cup, squash and then seperate.
3)Just do a repeat for the second cup (other side maybe).
4)Topit for the last cup.
THis is just a sponteaneous response, not a well though out routine.
"Topit" seems wrong to me; it's to "actiony", involves an unatural
motion for a cup and ball routine, and is timed wrong for any repeat
(second and third vanish will be burned). Besides, "topit" is liek
lapping, to easy to overuse.
Joe
Msg #1510 Dated 19:29:02 09-21-90 -> 1567
From: JOE FORTIER
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: "CHEATING" J. BOWYER
>"The deft Mr. Jeff Busby places a packet of three cards face up on
>the table."
(From a book titled "Cheating")
Just checked this book out at the library and thought I'd ask what you
thought of it.
Joe
Msg #1512 Dated 20:13:52 09-21-90 -> 1515
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES - VOL. 2
I was contradicting myself. My boots and Jacket are made of the moo
animals......................................
Msg #1513 Dated 22:22:13 09-21-90
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: USED BOOKS, ETC.
Charlie
Please send a copy of your list to:
Steven Kramer
616 Chatelet Ln.
Manchester, MO 63011
Thank you in advance!
Msg #1515 Dated 0:24:30 09-22-90 1503 <--> 1516
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES - VOL. 2
NO WAY I'm going to use Naugahyde, unborn or otherwise! The Nauga is
an Endangered Species.
Msg #1516 Dated 0:26:15 09-22-90 1512 <--> 1524
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES - VOL. 2
I promise not to tell any of their relatives. Actually, unless one is
a strict vegitarian, I've always wondered about not using leather. I
don't think anyone uses cattle only for their hides.
Msg #1519 Dated 0:47:41 09-22-90 1508 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RON BIEBER (X)
Re: PK FACTOR
As far as I know, most (but NOT all) hardware designed to be used with
computers is reasonably shielded and "safe" around diskettes. There
have been some reports of problems of some strange interactions between
modems and external diskette drives, but I've never pinned them down.
The screen static that you mention could be a hazard, but I've never
heard of a problem resulting from it -- few people wave their diskettes
in front of their monitors. Of course, general static IS a serious
problem around computers, not so much for damage to diskettes as for
damage to hardware (memory chips, etc.). Living in southern California
I never realized the extent of the problem until we had a "cold snap"
last year and I froze the computer when I touched it.
In one of our displays we have our corporate logo done in neon. Prior
to ordering it, we tried to research the possibility that the neon tube
or the transformer would be a hazard to magnetic media. Turned out
that we could find no research, so we finally conducted our own. We
placed diskettes all around a sample neon sign, including on and under
the transformer, and got no problems. On the other hand, as I
mentioned, a diskette placed under an old style phone is often damaged.
I don't believe there are any hard and fast rules, just reasonably
prudent behavior and awareness of the number of items - such as
magnetic paper clip holders - that can be hazardous.
Actually, your "rising diskette" effect sounds kinda interesting!
Please let me know how it works when you try it with your diskettes.
Msg #1521 Dated 1:29:10 09-22-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: UNZIPMAC.SIT
Joe Fortier has uploaded a program which is designed to UnZIP files on
a MacIntosh. We are indebted to him for providing it. He had some
problems with the upload, so you might want to check to make sure that
the program performs properly. The program is in the files area as
UNZIPMAC.SIT and you might leave a message after you've checked it out.
P.S. - We are still looking for a volunteer to serve as a Mac advisor
for MAGIC! users.
Msg #1522 Dated 1:32:46 09-22-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: 5 CARD MENTAL FORCE
Hugard & Braue (Expert Card Technique, 1954, p. 271) use almost the
exact same wording as your "Early Vernon" wording, giving credit
for the effect to Dai, of course. They also include several
interesting add-on effects, "Princess Card Trick", "Five Card
Royale", and "Phantaso", turning it into a complete routine.
They write that "The trick is purely psychological. The spectator
rejects the ace and king as being too conspicuous; the seven of
clubs is the only black card; the nine of diamonds is never chosen
being widely considered an unlucky card; and this reasoning leaves
but one card, the four of hearts."
"Your instructions must be directed towards making the spectator
consider each card and form a reason for rejecting or choosing it;
if you allow a snap choice the trick is almost certain to fail."
I would think that any instructions which make the spectator
"consider each card and form a reason for rejecting or choosing it"
would be valid. I wonder how many people today consider the nine of
diamonds as unlucky?
James Kahlert does an interesting variation on this, using it as a
sort of audience poll. Here are his privately circulated comments:
"Lay out these five cards in order: KH, 7C, AD, 4H, 9D. Audience is
to consider each card in turn, and then mentally select one card.
Explain that this is an ESP test and that you have been thinking of
one card. To see if anyone has latent ESP ability, how many thought
of 4H?"
He goes on, "King is next most often selected, 7C next. I sometimes
point out the end cards and the one black card in an attempt to
limit choices. I use this as a basis for picking helpers for
further ESP effects."
He also says, "You might prefer the reverse setup: KC, 7H, AS, 4C,
9S, the one red card stands out and the Ace of Spades is too
prominent."
Msg #1523 Dated 10:10:05 09-22-90 1509 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JOE FORTIER (X)
Re: 30 SEC. CUPS & BALLS
Maybe some technology exists to mold a foil cup and smash it? Or like
Norm Nielsen makes those great fake glass bottles out of clear plastic.
Possibly could make on in silver like a cup? Just a thought.
Msg #1524 Dated 10:11:30 09-22-90 1515 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES - VOL. 2
But they're hard to find because of the "hide"....uuuhhhhhrrrrgggg
Msg #1533 Dated 1:50:10 09-23-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: PHOTO GALLERY
We're going to try a new feature! A photo gallery of our members!
Anyone who wishes to have a picture of themselves in the file area,
which others can then download, can do so. There are two ways to put
a picture in the gallery:
1) Use a scanner and scan a photo of yourself. Upload it
directly to the MAGIC! files area. We would prefer PCX
scans.
2) Send a photo of yourself with your name written on it to
David Lichtman, ECA Inc., P. O. Box 900, Arleta, Ca. 91334.
We will scan it in for you. If you wish the photo returned,
include a suitable size self-addressed stamped envelope.
This will allow us to see those we have been communicating with. If
you would like to see a sample of a scanned photo, download JADE.PCX,
a scanned photo of this year's IBM Gold Medal winner. If you have a PC
compatible with an EGA or VGA monitor and would like a program to view
scanned photos, check out VPIC in the files area.
This same system allows us to supplement descriptions of effects with
images of hand positions, etc.
Msg #1534 Dated 1:59:02 09-23-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: COMMUNICATIONS SOFTWARE
Ken Hensley has uploaded a communications program named Telix. It is
in the files area. I have not downloaded or tried it, but Ken says it
is pretty spiffy. I believe it is for PC/Clones. Thanks Ken!
Msg #1540 Dated 20:25:38 09-23-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CARD CHEAT?
Interesting! Saw most of the Harry Lorayne "commercial" program
last night off the Satellite TV. Knowing Harry it is great to see
him in this format. He really "owns the place" when he works.
And, amazingly, he really can do it. And so can others. There
were a number of very strong examples of students, educators and
even a guy from the Military that had been a POW for a long time
in Viet Nam, who said Lorayne's memery work helped them
tremendously. I recall an earlier thread online here wondering
what Hiawatha Johnson Jr. did, if it was a "force" or what? No,
it is just simple Mnumonics and/or card counting. Probably a
combination of the two. Thing is all this stuff goes WAY back. I
think the basis is even in Greater Magic. But nobody (well some
do) pays much attention to this stuff and then are amazed when
they come across anyone that is into it. It is amazing stuff.Tonight a
group came to the house to play poker. I don't, but the
wife does and it was "her turn" to have everybody over. One guy
brought his brother. In casual conversation it was brought out
that he works in Reno and Tahoe dealing Poker. Although he is
between jobs right now!!! The one guy asked if I would do a card
trick. He heard I did mess with the pasteboards. So I proceeded
to do the Card on Forehead (my favorite bar magician's trick),
ambitious card and a couple of other bits where I palmed the card
and retrieved it in a couple of different ways. He, nor the "pro"
had any idea what I was doing. I then did a couple of Zarrow
shuffles showing the deck was not disturbed. Then the Pro Dealer
said, "I do a false shufflte too." He did a fairly poor PUSH
THRU, but revealed that in real games he has no trouble doing it
because he does it when nobody is paying any attention. What it
did, here, however was to indicate to the other players TO WATCH
HIM. Maybe the magic I did will save a few bucks for the innocent
players in the game. I have retired to the computer for the
evening. My money will remain with me!
Msg #1545 Dated 22:11:10 09-23-90 -> 1550
From: WILLIAM VON MORGAN
To: ALL
Re: MYSELF
Good day to you all. My name is William, and I have been graciously
allowed into the magic area on a temporary basis from the sysop. As I
call long-distance, I won't be able to check in to terribly often, but
would like to say hello and share a few little odds & ends with you.
In recent times, I've been doing a lot of the twisting arm illusion,
and at twenty bucks a pop in a variety of taverns it keeps me in
booze...this is an excellent piece of impromptu to learn, in my
opinion. I have also recently viewed Paul Harris' Immacualte
Close-up...and WOW! Colour Stunner was about my favourite, but the
Vacum cleaner cards are very good. The pointers about loading coins
will be indispensible in future works. I've been plaing around with a
an update of Scarne's paper-changing colour tubes, but using a
four-colour pen and four tubes...very easy, and pretty slick. I would
enjoy hearing from anyone that is, like me, just beginning to
learn...and would also ask, if there is a magic sig on GENIE, of whcih
I am a member. Also, does the message editor take a direct ascii
upload? Thanks...
\\\\/\/ \/ /\/\\\\
:)'
Msg #1550 Dated 1:01:28 09-24-90 1545 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WILLIAM VON MORGAN (X)
Re: MYSELF
As far as I know, William, there is no magic sig on any of the "major"
services. And yes, we can take direct ASCII. If your system asks if
there is a prompt, you might want to say "Yes" and indicate that the
prompt is a colon [:].
Msg #1553 Dated 1:05:07 09-24-90 -> 1585
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ILLNESSES
Dai Vernon is recovering well from some surgery he had performed this
week. He should be out of the hospital Tuesday. I would imagine that
get well wishes would reach him if they were sent to him at the Magic
Castle, 7001 Franklin Avenue, Hollywood, Ca. 90028.
For local MAGIC! members, Al Goshman needs some blood donors. The
blood can be of any type and arrangements can be made to donate it on
Wednesdays only (arrangements can be made anytime, donations can be
made on Wednesdays). If you are able to help, you should call St.
Joseph's Hospital (818-843-5111) to make arrangements. I'm told that
you need to specify that the donation is being made for Al Goshman and
that you need to provide his social security number (078-18-1938).
Perhaps, if someone would like to coordinate it, several MAGIC! members
could go as a group and get to meet each other.
Msg #1554 Dated 8:39:15 09-24-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: DRAGON
In reading through several old (1945, 1946, 1947) issues of my
favorite magazine (Genii) I saw an adv. on page 1 with the heading,
DRAGON, which was the official organ of the International Society of
Magicians (ISM) founded sometime in the thirties. The ads dissapeared
and I wondered if anyone can tell me anything about the organisation
(was it absorbed by SAM or IBM??). I would fbe interested in seeing
an issue of the Dragon also if anyone knows anything about this I'd
like to know.
Also, sorry to hear Goshman is getting worse, if I lived closer I'd
help too. Anyway, see ya. ---TC-----
Msg #1556 Dated 10:38:35 09-24-90 -> 1558
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: S&R
Channel hopping on the Satellite this morning and caught part of a CNN
report, saying, "Magicians Siegfried & Roy will present their 10,000th
show this week at the Mirage in Las Vegas. They also made Forbes list
as the 27th highest paid entertainers." Interesting. Does anybody have
the Forbes issue? If so would you list the top 27 and if any other
magicians are listed, note their positions. Would appreciate. Adios.
Msg #1558 Dated 16:21:22 09-24-90 1556 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: S&R
All I know is that I'm not on it.
Msg #1559 Dated 17:08:44 09-24-90 -> 1571
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: AMAZING TRICK NO. 1
OK, BEFORE YOU READ ON. SHUT YOUR EYES AND THINK OF ANY PLAYING CARD.
To kill space, here I will set this up. In a previous message I
described some Poker players, the setting, etc. and the fact that one
of them said to me, "Think of Any Card" -- I thought, I told him the
card and he turned over the top card AND IT WAS IT! With my (our)
knowledge, we know this is a RISK trick. I told him it was great,
winked and said, "Of course the penalty for missing is very slight!"
So, next day. I am visiting the architect, who I am trying to scan text
for him with my computer to save him from re-typing about 100 pages of
information!!! And... his computer buddy is there. Oh, the Architect
was at the Poker Game and saw my sleight of had stuff, and the Poker
Player's "Chance" trick. He mentioned that trick. The other guy said,
"what was the trick?" HE DID NOT KNOW. So, I said, I don't have any
cards, but I don't need any to show you the trick. I will write the
name of a card on a piece of paper (I did) and place it over here. OK,
now, think of ANY CARD IN THE DECK. The guy did. I said, Name the Card!
He did. OK, GANG... HE MENTIONED THE VERY SAME CARD THAT I HAD THE
NIGHT BEFORE. WHEN I TURNED THE PAPER OVER AND IT SAID "FOUR OF CLUBS"
NOT ONLY DID HE GO BANANAS.... but can you immagine the architect,
having seen this happen two days in a row!!!!! Not to mention my
complete and total surprise. OK, those of you that thought of the Four
of Clubs, YOU MUST LEAVE A REPLY. Those of you that really know this
stuff, Jeff Busby and Max Maven.... WHAT GIVES? Is that akin to the
Vernon force of the 4H, in the face up group? Is the 4C a very commonly
named card (by Men) (I understand with women it is the QH followed by
the AS. I must know! Thanks friends. Blah, blah, blah (as I wander off
muttering to myself)!
Msg #1560 Dated 20:08:22 09-24-90
From: WAYNE BROUGH
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
I recently received your catalog and would like to know the
availability of the following items: 342, 343, 353, 380, 381, 383, 384,
385, 386, 387, 388, 389, and 552. Thanks.
Msg #1563 Dated 9:36:48 09-25-90 -> 1564
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Just got (a few hours ago) ULTRA CERVON from L&L Publishing out
there on the left coast. I've been looking forward to this book
since reading the advances. I've been a Card Warp fanatic since I
saw INTO THE FOURTH DIMENSION more than a couple of years ago.
Cervon, no piker, credits Jeff Busby Magic with the 1973
inception in the opening ppg.
I learned CARD WARP after laying out two bucks - an
astonishingly low price for the killer card effect of the century
- from a demonstrator at Dallas' Magicland who had taken me under
his wing.
Just spent the last couple of hours with WARPED and
WARPED II and I think I like the effect just using the two
playing cards. But that's just me.
Msg #1564 Dated 9:42:58 09-25-90 1563 <--> 1568
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
If you want to see a KILLER version of Card Warp, you should go to
"Illusions" a magic nightclub/restaurant (great food too) in Carmel,
Indiana (a suberb just N. of Indianapolis) and watch Mike Close do his
version with a playing card and a person's business card. Mike is one
of the most clever table workers I have ever seen. He has the most
commercial and at the same time baffling stuff in his repertoire.
Msg #1565 Dated 10:46:10 09-25-90
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MARKED COIN IN CARD
Thanks Max, I already covered this with Pete. Lots of my books are now
in storage, so can't check like I used to. The Ted Lesley routine I'm
very familiar with -- in fact have been working with Ted for a few
months to mfg a much better gimmick than what he included with the
original 100 he made. I think it's an excellent routine.
Msg #1567 Dated 10:49:52 09-25-90 1510 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: JOE FORTIER (X)
Re: "CHEATING" J. BOWYER
Hi Joe -- I put what I thought of that book in print years ago. An
interesting, very flawed, study of deception.
Msg #1568 Dated 10:53:13 09-25-90 1563 <--> 1569
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Well, Tab. I have to agree with you.
Msg #1569 Dated 14:19:43 09-25-90 1564 <--> 1570
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Duly Noted. It looks like I'm back on the road in a few months, so
maybe I'll get by.
Msg #1570 Dated 14:20:39 09-25-90 1568 <--> 1600
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
I usually do a couple of stupid tricks with cards then drop down
on 'em with card warp and watch their eyes bug out and their face
turn blue especially as I let THEM tear the "warped" card in two.
I saw a cowboy's tongue hanging out one night. (I do hold on to
the half under the card cover while they tear the outer half off -
then I hand them the package in my hand)......
Msg #1571 Dated 20:01:00 09-25-90 1559 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AMAZING TRICK NO. 1
Various people have published lists of the most often named playing
cards. Fred Braue did a survey on the subject in _Hugard's_. What I
have found after years of research is that such lists are rather
useless, for the simple reason that the results vary widely. This is
because the factors which govern the response have to do with the
individual who is asking. A combination of personal characteristics
(your gender, age, grooming, &c.) plus your body language, actual
verbiage, and the circumstances under which you are performing all
influence the outcome. So, the only valid information on this is to
ask a _lot_ of people yourself, and keep records, in order to build
your own list.
Msg #1572 Dated 0:08:09 09-26-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: PHOTO GALLERY
Our photo gallery now has three downloadable pictures of MAGIC! members
in it:
P-BIRO-1.PCX - Pete Biro
DAVID.PCX - David Lichtman, MAGIC!'s Sysop
RBIEBER.PCX - Ron Bieber
If you've wondered what these folks look like, you should download the
photos. There are many programs that will permit you to view these
photos. One program, VPIC25.EXE is available for downloading here and
permits members with PC's (IBM/Clones) and EGA or VGA monitors to view
the photos.
We'd like your photo to add to the Gallery. If you haven't got a way
to scan it on your own, there are a few options. Some computer stores
can scan it for you. Or you can send it to David Lichtman at ECA Inc.,
P. O. Box 900, Arleta, Ca. 91334 and we will scan it for you (if you
wish the original returned, please include an appropriate envelope with
prepaid postage). There may even be a way to arrange to fax it to us,
but we haven't tried that one yet.
Msg #1573 Dated 0:14:58 09-26-90 -> 1574
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
When attending magic lectures it is almost impossible to make good written
notes and although the lecturers often make lecture notes available,
there are a lot of cases in which an effect is not included or the
lecturer says, "I explain it differently in the lecture notes, but I've
found this technique easier..."
The prevalence of small camcorders suggests the possibility of video
notetaking. I realize that there is some fear of "piracy" in this form
(as there is in written notes or the photocopying of the lecture notes)
and that some cases of inappropriate use of such tapes has been made.
Nonetheless, I would like to read your comments on video notetaking
and, if they are positive, your suggestions on how it could be made
acceptable at lectures.
Msg #1574 Dated 2:37:10 09-26-90 1573 <--> 1575
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
I can't imagine that very many lecturers would be happy to have someone
videotaping their work -- since videos have become a major aspect of
magic instruction. I, for example, have just completed a one-hour
magic/mentalism video which I am currently marketing. If someone had
taped a lecture in which I did some of this same material, would they
then be less likely to obtain my own video? I dunno, but I tend to
think so.
Msg #1575 Dated 8:26:46 09-26-90 1574 <--> 1579
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
The primary danger is the small cadre of less than honorable
individuals who think that "ideas" etc. are fair game for underground
marketing. They might be less than inclined to purchase the
professional unit, but taping from the audience without benefit of
professional lighting, etc would probably be pretty useless anyway. The
danger of priracy is (to me) primary.
Msg #1576 Dated 11:18:59 09-26-90 -> 1578
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
I really think this has to be done an an individual basis. For example
I lecture (not as much as I used to) and at the IBM two years ago
someone came up and asked if it was OK? I said, "Sure if you PROMISE to
send me a copy." OK... I don't plan to make/sell a video so it
wouldn't cut into any POSSIBLE sales by ME. And the guy DID send me
the copy. It is the only record I have of me lecturing, which, to me is
nice to have. So, what have I just said?
YES it is ok to ask (and don't wait 'til the last minute) in advance
and I think YOU must not only ask the lecturer, but you need to ask who
is in charge. For example, at the IBM St. Louis, we had a contract that
no video cameras allowed, because Japanese Network TV (NHK) had paid
for those rights, without written permission. We did have some taping
by acts of thier own acts, but all permissions were granted.
If someone objects, then I don't think the taper should INSIST. I used
to hate it when I was doing a lecture and some thougless nutcase would
walk right up to the table and set a small recorder or mike right on
the surface I was working on! I would make a gag out of it and turn it
off! I once had a guy set up a boom mike and put up a screen, set up a
table and roll in with studio quality reel to reel equipment. Needless
to say I made all kinds of rude sounds into his microphone... He could
have asked. But, I was a guest in HIS country (Japan) and I let it go
with a few gags.
So, once again. The bottom line. Seek permission, be polite about and
don't feel bad if you get a no. And in all cases, if the party asks for
a copy, SEND IT RIGHT AWAY. Let him know you are a square shooter. The
word will get out.
Msg #1578 Dated 14:56:25 09-26-90 1576 <--> 1580
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
You're right, square shooters welcome. I'm just gunshy from a
music project which was pirated and sold, and the people who
make tapes know that on small production if someone pirates a couple
hundred tapes and sells them at retail, then it hurts, but it costs
in other ways too.
Say, by the way, I saw a copy of lecture notes by Pete Biro on a
used, scarce, and rare book list the other day (already sold).
Msg #1579 Dated 15:57:15 09-26-90 1573 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
Bootleg video recordings circulate with astonishing rapidity. When I
lecture I insist that no such taping is done. For that matter, I forbid
audiotaping of my lectures. The fees for lecturing are relatively low,
and the individual admission price (if any) is also small. The amount
of money involved is nowhere near enough to justify a lecturer giving
away his/her efforts for permanent recording.
Msg #1580 Dated 18:03:54 09-26-90 1578 <--> 1591
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
Which one? If you let me know, someday when I unpack????? I'll send you
whatever I have.
Msg #1581 Dated 20:16:51 09-26-90
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: CARD AND COIN EFFECTS
I just wanted to let everyone know of two effects I have been doing
with great success lately. The first is a different sort of card
revelation using Dai Vernons sleight in "Cutting the Aces" which is in
the book "Stars of Magic. What I do is have a card chosen and replaced
and then I bring it to the top of the deck by a pass or double cut.
Then I do a double lift showing their card is "not on the top of the
deck. I leave both cards squared up on top of the deck facing upwards
and I then turn the deck over to show their card is also not on the
bottom. I point to this bottom card which is face up by sliding off
the top card of the double lifted cards which are facing down towards
the floor. I then replace it facing the same way as the rest of the
pack while the pack is still turned upside down. The pack is then
turned upright again, the end result being the chosen card is second
from the top, reversed in the deck. I then say that they know their
card is not on the top or the bottom but somewhere in between. What I
will attempt to do is to cut to their card with one quick sweep of my
hand and furthermore to have the air pressure flip their card and their
card only, over. They are a little bit bugeyed at this statement so I
say "If you believe that I ought to run for public office!" As they
laugh I proceed to do just what I said much to their surprise.
The coin effect I enjoy doing is a variation of Scotch and Soda. I
start with a $100 bill and a real Centavo in my right pocket and in my
hands I have the shell insert and quarter per the standard routine. If
possible, before even mentioning doing the trick I will secretly place
a real half dollar in one of our parties pocket. I commence the
routine in the standard manner and when it comes time for the person to
say which hand the Centavo is in I reach into my right pocket finger
palming the real Centavo and bring out the $100 bill. (A real
attention getter) I say "My friend Ben here says you don't have the
Centavo in your right (Or left as the case may be) hand. Now we could
be wrong and if so my friend here goes home with you, but if we're
right you owe us a cup of coffee (or any suitable wager). After they
accept I ask for the half dollar and I look dismayed as I take it and
turn it over in my left hand letting everyone see it is in fact a half
dollar. I then transfer it to my right hand where I switch it with the
Centavo and give it to another spectator to hold. It can be given back
to the person who originally held it if you are only showing this to a
single spectator. I tell them to hold onto the "half dollar" tight as
it is a family heirloom. I then reach back into my right pocket,
dumping the shell and insert as I take out the $100 bill and half
handing it to the spectator I ask for the centavo. After the usual
surprises have died down I say that it's ok that they lost my Centavo
as the quarter is worth about 24 and a half cents more. Then, turning
to the person who thinks they are holding the half I say I'm just glad
you didn't lose the half dollar as it is a family heirloom! They open
up their hand to find the centavo and I end up producing the lost half
from either my pocket or another spectators.
After all of this explaining I have come to a much greater respect for
all magic writers. It is not easy to properly convey these things in
the clarity needed! Anyway, I hope someone else can have as much fun
with these as I have. Later...
Msg #1584 Dated 23:34:52 09-26-90 -> 1586
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
Well, we've gotten some very interesting responses to the video
notetaking concept!
But still, it sounds like "old technology" -- i.e. scribbling notes and
drawing hasty diagrams, or relying on memory alone, is OK while newer
technology is not. Would we feel the same way if we were magicians in
ancient China and paper had just been invented?
I strongly agree with two very important concepts - 1) That there is a
possibility that "piracy" could occur, and, 2) that a home camcorder
videotape of a lecture, sans lighting, etc. is a terrible production.
But there must be a way to overcome the problems and allow new
technology to help a student of magic to leave a lecture with better
"notes."
Msg #1585 Dated 1:16:18 09-27-90 1553 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ILLNESSES
RE: Al Goshman. When I went to the hospital blood bank today I was
told that donations can be made Monday through Friday from 8:30 a.m. to
4:00 p.m., contrary to the information I'd had previously which said
Wednesdays only. You can make an appointment by calling St. Joseph's
Hospital at 818-843-5111. You do need to specify that the donation is
being made for Al Goshman and you do need to provide his social
security number (078-18-1938).
Msg #1586 Dated 1:53:07 09-27-90 1584 <--> 1592
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
The issue is not old versus new technology, but rather the difference
between recording basic information (via note-taking) as opposed to
"owning" the complete performance (via tape). You do not buy the right
to possess the latter when you purchase admission to a lecture.
Msg #1587 Dated 1:55:01 09-27-90 -> 1597
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC AWARDS
The International Magic Awards were taped earlier tonight. The 2-hour
show will be syndicated to various markets between October 7 and 31.
Harry Blackstone was the host, and there were numerous celebrity
presenters, as well as many magic performances. The awards are as
follows:
Best Stage Magic: Lance Burton
Best Close-Up: David Williamson
Best Sleight Of Hand: Michael Ammar
Best Illusionist: The Pendragons
Best Escape Artist: Princess Tenko
Best Comedy Magician: Amazing Johnathan
Best Use of Comedy in a Magic Performance: Jeff Hobson
Best Junior Magician: Jason Alexander
Best Teenage Magician: Brian Dill
Best New Design, Innovation or Idea: John Gaughan
Best Contemporary Use of Magic in Another Medium:
New Kids On The Block
Outstanding Achievement in Psychological Entertainment:
Max Maven
Lifetime Achievement Award: Mark Wilson
Lifetime Achievement in Escapes: Steve Baker
Lifetime Achievement Award: Dai Vernon
Houdini Award for Contributions to Magic: John Fisher
Entertainer of the Year: Siegfried & Roy
Msg #1589 Dated 5:57:12 09-27-90 -> 1593
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LIST
Your order is on the way. Talked to Walter Blaney last night. He
said he's been talking with you. Also said that he'd forgot that you
were interested in magic, but that you were a really good musician!
Charlie
Msg #1590 Dated 5:57:37 09-27-90
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: LIST
Thanks. Your list is on the way.
Charlie
Msg #1591 Dated 8:50:24 09-27-90 1580 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
Pete, the list didn't specify so I'll write and find out. The seller
is an older magician from Oklahoma. I'll take you up on your offer
it is a kind one.
Msg #1592 Dated 8:52:42 09-27-90 1584 <--> 1594
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
How about an "all rights reserved" taping contract.?? Still, the
unscrupulous will sign anything and then lie.
Msg #1593 Dated 8:54:35 09-27-90 1589 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: LIST
Great, I'm looking forward to getting some "new" books. I'm doing a
story on Walter for a Dallas based entertainment review type magazine.
I've been making some calls lately because I want to go back to "wor"
that's "work". I tried for the Grateful Dead but they already hired
somebody (ex Tubes keys). My sister lives in the Napa Valley and my mom
is out there right now, so California would of been great, however I'm
heading tdown to Tennessee to talk to some guys in a couple of days and
to look at an old farm about an hour south of The Egyptian Hall. I left
Nashville the year before the big magic convention and it looks like
I'll be getting outa here (maryland) just before the big convention in
Baltimore. I've been looking forward to going too. Maybe I can make it
anyway. One of the scary things about getting on some stars tour bus is
that you are at the mercy of their schedule -- the show must go on --
but it's because of the tours I've done that I was able to make any of
the personal contact with the great, great people in the magic
industry. I know it has been said before, but I started magic at 7
years old just after learning how to write -- at that time I was stuck
in rural south Georgia. I've been a magician for 38 years. I've gotten
most of the "cherry" jobs I've had by showing the "boss" a couple of
tricks and having a few laughs. I'm gearing up to do it again and this
time, because of MAGIC!, I have a "support group".
Msg #1594 Dated 11:21:04 09-27-90 1584 <--> 1596
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
I hate to say this David, but if the Lecturer is any good/and SMART he
will have well printed, clear and concise lecture notes. Otherwise, for
the standard fees usually paid, you don't make any money. I remember
Derek Dingle coming to the Oakland Magic Circle about 20 years ago. He
did not draw a HUGE crowd, but a respectable one. I figured the money
at the door and told Derek, "I'm sorry the turnout isn't what I
expected, it doesn't look like a money maker for you." He didn't seem
worried. I know why. When he finished he had packets tricks, Notes,
gaffs, you name it... the fever pitch he built with the attendees
caused them to part with mucho dinero. He mad a bundle!
Msg #1596 Dated 11:57:58 09-27-90 1592 <--> 1603
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
In all of the "information industries" the unscrupulous cause problems
(I'm tempted to say they hold the honest folks hostage, but that is a
"loaded" word). I write software that is sold commercially. In the
begining we went for copy protection. But most of the software
industry has found that the "pirates" can always get past the
protection and that the honest folk pay a price for the protection --
not being able to make backups, etc. So most of us have quit using
copy protection schemes and, although a few companies like to whine and
complain, the truth is that most people will buy legitimate versions.
And I certainly have no gripe with people selling lecture notes, books,
tricks, or whatever at lectures (OK, maybe a gripe about pricing, but
we all know that is a fact of life). But I've noticed that pretty
consistently creative performers will say, "In the lecture notes (book,
tape) I did this by ..... Since then I've found a better way, you take
the cards in your left hand and ....." Or you buy the notes and the
lecturer says (about his best effect), "That one isn't in the notes,
but it is in my book ....."
It seems to me that someone who attends a lecture should have the
ability to use whatever notetaking methods are available to aid his or
her retention of what was shown at the lecture. Why should he or she
be hampered just because their memory or their pencil and paper
notetaking ability limits them? Wouldn't that be equivalent to asking
someone to remove their glasses or hearing aid prior to the lecture in
order to make them "equal" with the others in the room?
Msg #1597 Dated 12:13:29 09-27-90 1587 <--> 1605
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AWARDS
Congratulations, Max! There are certainly a lot of good people on that
list!
And thanks for getting the news to MAGIC! within minutes of the close
of the ceremony!
Msg #1600 Dated 13:15:53 09-27-90 1570 <--> 1604
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
It is a great trick. It's one of those things magicians tend to
overlook these days because they're all familiar with the METHOD. I
remember the days before it was published. The method was so different
magicians perceived it strangely. Many was the time I was accused of
perfect sleeving of a half card. I find it odd that some of the
"alternate methods" being offered these days go back exactly to what I
WASN'T DOING.
Msg #1603 Dated 16:49:56 09-27-90 1596 <--> 1610
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
You do have a point, and as a person I agree with you. I developed
a computer program a few years ago called SIDEMAN. It got ripped of
so many times (we didn't install copy protection) that last year I
uploaded it to Compuserve and put it into the public domain. While I
do own the name, etc., the program made me a couple of bucks at first
then just got shared.
There has to be some way to resolve this. Should the lecturer video
tape his own presentation (audio tape too) and provide at a low cost
a copy to the attendees. Maybe this is the solution. I want a royalty
everytime somebody uses this idea. 7% of gross.
I think the avid student who would want to video/audio tape any clinic
or lecture would NOT rip the artist off.
Msg #1604 Dated 16:55:30 09-27-90 1600 <--> 1606
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
When I first saw it demonstrated I was completely baffled. The
methodology is clean. The tearing for "souvenir" purposes makes
the getaway. I tear at the end to prove "only one card is used".
The effect on the non magic person is strong. The method is simple
enough to concentrate on presentation. I sometimes have prepared the
gaff in plain view perhaps 15 minutes before I've done the effect
without anyone making the connection. I don't know, I think it is
one of the ten best tricks in magic, and takes card tricks into the
apparatic illusionary status. Too, the layman likes to destroy playing
cards because their parents told them not to do it as children.
Tom Mullica taught me a torn and restored with playing cards that
knocks people out and also is simple methodology. I often follow this
with "since we've already ruined this deck, let me show you one more"
and we start folding.
Msg #1605 Dated 17:54:13 09-27-90 1597 <--> 1611
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC AWARDS
Where there Magic Performances on this award show? More, More.
Msg #1606 Dated 17:55:00 09-27-90 1600 <--> 1615
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Jeff, recent mailing recieved. Does this mean I will be getting more
Braue stuff soon? Also... What hardware/software for Desktop Publishing
are you using? I have an NCR (IBM Clone), 120 meg Hard Drive, Ventura
Publishing with HP Laserjet II. Lots of Fonts from Bitstream. I just
saw a killer program in an L.A. ad agency, QUARK EXPRESS on a MAC. Was
more flexible for ad/art stuff, but not as good for magazines, books,
as Ventura. Be in touch.
Msg #1607 Dated 19:39:30 09-27-90 -> 1608
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Although I do the card warp I do not have any instructions to it in
writing. I learned the move from a friend and I worked up my own
routine from there. When I have seen others do it it seems they
already have prepared the torn card. The way I do it is to hand both
of the cards out to the spectators for examination and when I get them
back I start to fold one of the cards in half from top to bottom and
ask the spectator to do the same. Naturally they start to fold it the
same way I am from top to bottom and I say "Oh, one of them needs to be
folded lengthwise and I then refold mine lengthwise and it is quite
easy to make the needed tear since it is already creased. Maybe this
is already being done by others but I came up with it in order to make
it more of an impromptu effect with any two cards. This is also easy
to do with business cards or a business card and a playing card.
By the way, I was in a hurry when I wrote my previous message about
card and coin effects. Was it clear enough? Was it useful or
interesting to anyone? I would like any opinions positive or negeative
either way or any suggestions on my suggestions! Later...
Msg #1608 Dated 21:29:28 09-27-90 1607 <--> 1612
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Everything on the BBS is good, because it keeps magic er, MAGIC! alive
and well. Each item usually has one tiny thing that will appeal to
somebody. That's all we can ask. I am headed out of town and will be
Laptoping it from hotel room in Denver. Got to snap pix at Mile Hight
corr: High Stadium. Not Football, same place but stadium Off-Road truck
racing (what I do for a living) and I see on my TV Satellite it is
raining up there. Foooooeeeyyy. I have, from my notes a really
commercial card sequence that is pretty much self working I will upload
in the next couple of days. NOT ORIGINAL STUFF (OF MINE) but a
commercial card act I used to use pro in my close up act. Bye for now.
Msg #1610 Dated 22:23:28 09-27-90 1603 <--> 1613
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
Actually, Tabby, I'd thought of the lecturer taping his own
presentation and making dupes either on the spot or by mail for a small
fee idea previously. I was waiting to see if anyone else suggested it
or if the natural consequences of the discussion would lead to it.
There are some pluses and minuses to it. Since it would be "casual
tape" it would only be good as lecture notes, which would be fine, but
only if the lecturer understood that and set the fee reasonably.
Perhaps also offering to bundle in one of his or her pro tapes with a
combo discount as an option. By the way, I'll undercut you and settle
for only 6% of gross!
Msg #1611 Dated 23:53:19 09-27-90 1605 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AWARDS
Performers on the International Magic Awards show were Lance Burton,
the Pendragons, David Williamson, Jason Alexander, Brian Dill, Jeff
Hobson, and Greg and Mark Wilson. Also, pre-taped location pieces by
Michael Ammar, Steve Baker, Amazing Johnathan, Blackstone, and yours
truly.
The show will be two hours long, syndicated nationally. They have
got about 90% penetration, which means that just about every major
market will air it. The "window" for broadcast is wide -- from early
October through Halloween. In L.A. it'll be on channel 11 on October
31, at 8:00 PM.
Msg #1612 Dated 7:25:39 09-28-90 1607 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
That's good. Thanks for the info on Warped.
Msg #1613 Dated 7:27:19 09-28-90 1610 <--> 1619
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
I've already got a contract with Backstab and Backbite for 5%.
That idea could actually work. Bundle it with lecture notes, etc
for a low fee or include it in the cost of the lecture. Tapes could
be mailed out when the lecturer gets back home. How about that, Max,
would this idea work??
Msg #1615 Dated 9:21:25 09-28-90 1604 <--> 1616
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Tab, it certainly is a MEMORABLE effect if presented and done well. I
run into laymen who saw me do the trick 15 years ago and they still
recall the "card that turned inside out". To me, that's the point --
they remember seeing MAGIC and they remember you.
Msg #1616 Dated 9:23:02 09-28-90 1606 <--> 1617
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Yes, Pete. It's all there in the notice. A listing of our hardware is
in the Erdnase book, if you care about that stuff. We use both DOS
machines as terminals, feeding to an AT&T 3B mini running UNIX on
StarLan. But, that's me. The book prep is done with Ventura 3.0 and
feeds out to a HP LJ III equipped with Postscript. I was against
laserprinting from the start, but I can't believe how good the stuff
looks. No one seems to be able to tell the difference.
Msg #1617 Dated 11:21:30 09-28-90 1615 <--> 1618
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
You got it. I thought about and thought about it after seeing it for
the first time and when I finally learned the routine found out just
how far off base I was with the solution.y the way, I got a package
from Jeff Busby Magic, Inc. today and am impressed with your packaging.
It's the best in magic. Thanks.
Msg #1618 Dated 11:24:29 09-28-90 1616 <--> 1662
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Is the (your) Erdnase book out yet?? I haven't ordered one yet, but I
plan to.
Msg #1619 Dated 13:53:39 09-28-90 1613 <--> 1620
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
I too am interested in seeing what Max and the other lecturers think of
the idea of bundling a video, made at the lecture, in with the notes.
If it was reasonably priced it could be ideal. And there would be no
need for the lecturer to really do the video, or carry equipment
around, as I'm sure someone could handle that locally. Sure, it isn't
gonna be outstanding video, but it isn't supposed to be -- it is
supposed to be note quality, priced accordingly.
(Aside to Tabby - Damn! YOU got the contract with B&B! I told 'em I'd
go for 5.5%. Well, at least we kept it in the MAGIC! family!).
Msg #1620 Dated 15:39:56 09-28-90 1619 <--> 1621
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
I left off the most impt. part of the trilogy: backstab, Backbite &
Bitch. It is an interesting proposition. One camera with an audience
eye view of the proceedings. Let the camera mic pick up all. Maybe
a contact mic on the lecturer. The lecturer should also file (c)
on each tape of course which only costs $10 a pop. I handle trademarks
and copyrights for my clients and it is a good idea. It won't stop
someone from ripping you, but you've got a government wittness on your
side if they do.---TC-----
Msg #1621 Dated 16:23:22 09-28-90 1613 <--> 1624
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
Both Davenport's and Ron MacMillan in London have made such
arrangements with lecturers. They do the taping, and later sell the
tapes with the lecturer's financial involvement. I do not recall the
precise deal, whether it's a royalty or a buy-out. At any rate, it's
certainly an ethical solution. In my own case, when I lectured for
Davenport's a couple of years ago they proposed doing this, and I
rejected the offer. There were no hard feelings on their part.
It is, of course, entirely up to the individual lecturer. What I
find unfortunate is that there are people who go to lectures and/or
conventions with the presumption that their purchase of a ticket gives
them the right to record, without asking. I've had occasions when an
audience member has gotten very angry with me for refusing to allow
taping.
I can't speak for any other performer or lecturer. Most who do
lectures and shows for magic functions do not do "real" television
work, and I suppose that makes a difference in attitude. In my own
case, I do a lot of TV, and get paid very well for it. Therefore, the
idea that I should give away video rights to my work runs completely
contrary to my full-time work situation.
One unpleasant anecdote: two years ago a guy from New Jersey named
Ray Piatt attended the Invocational in Chicago. He taped the shows and
lectures, very intrusively -- his camera set-up and personal lighting
were detrimental to the live performances. He threw a tantrum when I
told him he could not tape my lecture, and accused me of being a bad
person, insisting that the taping was for his own collection and that
he would not even make dubs for his closest friends. He also claimed
that he'd taped at other conventions and that no one had ever told him
not to tape their work.
The pay-off is that I held my ground, and he did not tape. The next
year I heard that he had edited together a tape of clips from this
convention which he was _selling_! I think those who are on that tape
have grounds to sue; I don't have to, as I didn't let him tape me in
the first place.
Msg #1624 Dated 22:40:30 09-28-90 1610 <--> 1625
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
The last lecture I saw tapped would not worry the lecturer!! The
lighting was poor (even though a low lux camera was used) and the guy
taping it was so involved in watching the lecture that most of the time
the camera was in the wrong position to catch ANY of the moves.. Also,
you have the problem of most camcorders not being able to provide a
decient close up under lecture conditions (at least the ones I've seen
where the guy giving the lecture allowed a camera, he also insisted
that it be positioned in the BACK of the room.......almost assuring a
bad tape!!)
Msg #1625 Dated 23:10:08 09-28-90 1621 <--> 1626
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
Max, both from the horror stories you told, and from some personal
experience, I can completely appreciate your point of view. Of course,
nothing prevents a guy from stealing or copying portions of a
professionally made video either.
I do a lot of corporate presentations (not magic) and have always
firmly refused to have a video made in such cases except for quadruple
my normal fee -- a move designed to discourage any but those who are
absolutely most insistent. One reason is that when I'm presenting to
a live audience, I'm there to do it right for them, not to worry about
some video camera casually set up in the corner. If they want a video
to distribute throughout the company, let them do it right, with studio
quality set-up and with me doing a presentation designed for video.
But the case I'm presenting here is different and one that seems to beg
for a solution. There is no question that video seems to be a near
perfect method for learning magic (I'd prefer laserdisc to videotape,
but that doesn't change the premise). And I've been very frustrated by
what I mentioned earlier -- the inability of print, regardless of how
well done, to convey subtle moves in a clear manner, and the
differences that occur between preprinted notes (or, for that matter,
professionally produced, but pre-prepared, videotapes) and the actual
lecture. Some use of casual, inexpensive, on-the-scene video seems to
be the ideal solution, both for the lecturer and the attendee. If it
is done by the agency, such as Davenport or Ron MacMillan, then that
may be the "best" solution currently, naturally dependent upon its
being up to the lecturer. It just seems like an idea whose time has
come.
Msg #1626 Dated 23:26:41 09-28-90 1624 <--> 1628
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
There is, of course, the old scene with the VCR and monitor presenting
the lecture at the front of the room and all the chairs occupied by
camcorders! Of course, with some of the modular camcorders coming on
the market, it may not be too long before the process is so unobtrusive
that no-one in the room will even know it has occurred!
Msg #1628 Dated 3:34:57 09-29-90 1625 <--> 1630
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
I suppose I must seem argumentative, but I must disagree with your
comment that video is "a near perfect method for learning magic." In
fact, I think that video is a rather _bad_ medium in most cases, for
the simple reason that it is too accurate! What I mean by this is that,
with a video, the performer's actions are detailed down to the tiniest
nuance, which tends to lead the viewer into too rigidly defined
information. The great value in learning magic via the printed word
combined with illustrations is that there are "blank" areas which the
student must fill in him/herself. Thus, learning from print promotes a
certain amount of personal creative input on the part of the student by
its very nature. Learning from video all too often leads to cloned
performance style.
The one exception to the above is in the case of explicitly
technical information -- e.g., sleights which require specific and
delicate accuracy of handling. For this, video is indeed a superb
medium.
Don't get me wrong; I think video is terrific, and I am pleased
that because this technology is now so widespread we will have records
of significant performers which will be available for future
generations. I just don't particularly care for it as a teaching
medium.
Msg #1629 Dated 3:41:59 09-29-90
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
Your letter arrived; the books are on their way. Thanks. As for your
list, please let me know if items 241, 480 or 587 are still available.
Whichever ones are, please send them to me, and let me know how much I
owe you.
Msg #1630 Dated 9:03:40 09-29-90 1621 <--> 1632
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
Stories like that are the reason lecturers and performers cannot
allow free taping of their material. Not for the 99.9% good people
but because of the Ray Piatts of the world. There's no way to really
protect yourself from a liar than to have blanket rules about it. You
were smart in this case where others lost out.
Msg #1631 Dated 9:07:28 09-29-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURE NOTES #1
PEete Biro's Lecture Notes #1, four pages. Among the first things
sold.
Msg #1632 Dated 21:54:45 09-29-90 1628 <--> 1634
From: JOE FORTIER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
Another facet to learning magic via video... It's a "linear" medium.
Writing a book requires the author to contemplate what needs to be
said. Doing a video, while recording nuances of performance well nigh
impossible to record via writing, is mostly a "one shot" deal. TO do
the editing that comes naturally (hopefully) in writing requires a
great deal of effort in video. All of this encourages a "writing style"
that obscures at least as much as it reveals.
Hmmm... maybe the same could be said for my writing style... ah
well...
Msg #1634 Dated 1:16:02 09-30-90 1628 <--> 1635
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
You don't seem argumentative, in any negative sense, to me at all.
One of the advantages to this electronic approach to communication
is the opportunity it offers for discussion.
As a matter of fact, I think you have rather neatly brought up some
points in your most recent message (# 1628) that, frankly, I hadn't
considered in quite that perspective. I have been thinking mostly
of "explicitly technical information," slights with subtle moves,
etc. and the connections that form the mechanical aspects of the
effect, as opposed to performing style. And that is what I would
like to see on a lecture video (there are other types of videos that
may suit other purposes).
On the other hand, I can't accept your point that video is "too
accurate." First of all, I think that any training medium profits
from clear thinking being used to optimize the best possible
instruction. If gaps exist in print media, it is usually because
the author failed to write well, not because there was something
unique about the medium that encouraged creativity. A poorly edited
video could accomplish the same thing! There will always be people
who will attempt to "clone" an effect or an entire performance,
whether it suits their style or not. They simply aren't creative,
and, usually, they don't get very far. The creative student profits
from clarity and the ability to see slights and effects in detail,
and that is the individual lectures, lecture notes, and videos
should be oriented toward.
Msg #1635 Dated 19:28:02 09-30-90 1624 <--> 1636
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
It doesn't matter if it is good or bad. It is the principal. I still
say you need permission. And if not granted, smile, say, thanks, and
get out your pencil and paper and/or hope the lecturer has great stuff
and notes to match.
Msg #1636 Dated 20:41:29 09-30-90 1635 <-
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
I agree that taping should only be done with premission, I was just
pointing out something that happened recently at a lecture I was at...
As for taping personally, I would much rather leave it to the
professional and pay for my copy (stuido produced, NOT of someones
lecture live)
Msg #1637 Dated 22:34:52 09-30-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: RESTURANT MAGIC
Jim Sisti, MAGIC! member and publisher of the Magic Menu - a newsletter
for resturant magicians, has just uploaded an article on resturant
magic for children. It can be downloaded from the Files SubSystem as
CHILDREN.TXT. It looks quite interesting.
Msg #1642 Dated 20:39:57 10-01-90
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: ALL
Re: MAGICK MAGAZINE
I am looking for issue #3 with bonus insert to complete my first five
years of Magick Magazine. If anyone knows the whereabouts of this issue
please let me know, by this board. I am willing to pay a premium for
this issue. Thanks in advance!!
Msg #1645 Dated 0:06:11 10-02-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW PHOTO
A digitized photo of Tabby Crabb has been added to the MAGIC! Photo
Gallery. It is downloadable as TABBY-1.PCX
Msg #1648 Dated 5:58:43 10-02-90 -> 1654
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BOOKS
We've shipped books 241 and 587. You should get them by the weekend.
You're going to NYCAN aren't you, wish I was. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #1649 Dated 8:49:06 10-02-90 -> 1650
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: READING MESSAGES
Is there any easy way to read the messages in NUMERICAL order, as
opposed to by threads?
Msg #1650 Dated 11:01:57 10-02-90 1649 <--> 1658
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: READING MESSAGES
Hmmmmm... An interesting question. I'll check, but as far as I know,
the system is set up to provide messages by threads rather than
numerical order. You can use N for Next Thread to skip to the next
message in numerical sequence, but then the system assumes that you
have no interest in the skipped thread and marks ALL further messages
in that thread to be skipped during that session. Why would numerical
order be preferable?
Msg #1651 Dated 11:06:51 10-02-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: READING MESSAGES
Thanks to the articles about MAGIC! that appeared in several
publications, we have a lot of new users. Here is a tip on how to
read messages quickly and easily.
>From the Main Menu:
Type R;* and press That's the letter R followed by a
the ENTER key. semi-colon (;) followed by an
asterisk (*). Then press the
ENTER key. You will immediately
see the first new message after the
last message you read the last time
you were on MAGIC! After each
message you will be presented with
a menu. You can use this menu to
Reply to a message. If you just
want to go on to the next message,
just press the ENTER key.
Messages will be presented in
SUBJECT order. That means that
you will see all of the messages
that have the same subject,
followed by all of the messages on
the next subject, etc.
Msg #1652 Dated 11:19:40 10-02-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PCX FILES
Just downloaded some PCX files, Jade and Tabby Crabb. Excellent
results. Just loaded them into my Publishers Paintbrush files and ZAP
viewed them onscreen and hit print... und VIOLA as they say in the old
country. Good idea David. Note: Tab -- good snap, lighting is great,
the photog new what he was doing with the rimlight on the hair to
separate it from the background. Others note: If you have dark hari and
correction HAIR and a dark-ish background, make sure the lighting
highlights the hair so you don't merge into the background! I have seen
so many pix of a face in a background with no hair. When I get some
time will look see the rest, but got to go to the Medic for flu check
up and later the Lawywer... hmmmmm now if I can find an Indian Chief?
Msg #1654 Dated 18:20:19 10-02-90 1648 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
Thanks. Please let me know how much I owe you with postage, etc. I am
leaving for Toronto tomorrow morning, followed by Chicago. I will be
back in Hollywood on the 13th, so if you post the message with the $
information I can send you a check then.
Msg #1655 Dated 20:51:52 10-02-90 -> 1656
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SPEECH
Read My Lips has been replaced with "No Smoke, No Mirrors, No Magic
Tricks!" But, the TAXES will come. I know its not magic, but the word
WAS used! GRRRRRRRRRRRR. Bye
Msg #1656 Dated 23:47:46 10-02-90 1655 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPEECH
Yeah, it kinda makes one wish that the first witch doctor had
trademarked the term. I have to drive past bus benches advertising
"Magic Cleaners," complete with a drawing of a rabbit emerging from a
hat. I've always wondered if I should take my props to them for
cleaning.
On the other hand, there is the line, attributed to Houdini -- "I don't
care what you say about me, just spell my name right."
Msg #1658 Dated 8:42:32 10-03-90 1650 <--> 1659
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: READING MESSAGES
Numerical provides an easy way to keep the messages in order if you want to
print them out and keep in a book....that way you can make notes about
something you want to refer back to later by message number, and
will not have a problem trying to locate where that message is printed
out. This does mean that you have to scan forward in the messages
to read the ones that are following a thread, but I perfer that to
not being able to tell where a starting message is located. How are
the messages arranged in the Library files (Magic-02.txt, etc)?
I believe that they are numerical there (will have to look again...).
This software may not be set up for the messages to be read in
numerical order (short of entering the next highest number at each
prompt). On another topic (one that was discussed on compurserve about
the magic files and messages there) what is the feeling of the Sysop
and callers that are leaving
messages on this system about selected messages being republished in
local Ring or Assembly newsletters? There are always several very good
pieces of news, information, gossip, etc., that I would like to share
with people in the local ring, most of who do not have computers, nor
the $$$ to call Calif regularly. Thanks for your help.
Msg #1659 Dated 9:15:59 10-03-90 1658 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: READING MESSAGES
There are several ways to read and locate messages on MAGIC! Since
most members tend to use an interactive mode in which they read and
reply to messages we tend to stress R;* as the best way to do this.
But here are some alternatives:
>From the Main Menu:
R;nnn (Where nnn represents an individual message number)
Allows you to read and reply to one message. After
reading that one message a prompt will appear that
allows you to insert another number to read. This
is NOT usually recommended since you miss all of
the messages in between the ones you read and,
unless you go back and read them, you will not see
them. Your message pointer, the thing that keeps
track of the last message you read, will be updated
when you log off.
R;nnn+ (Where nnn represents an individual message number)
Allows you to read and reply to all messages, in
subject order, starting from the message number you
have entered (note that there is a plus sign [+]
following the message number. This is useful when
you want to go back to a certain number to begin
reading or if you haven't been on for a while and
want to skip a lot of messages that are "new" but
that you haven't got the opportunity to read. Once
again, your message pointer will be updated to the
last message you read, so, if you don't keep track
you will loose the opportunity to read previous
messages.
RC;* RC stands for Read Continuous. This is useful for
or RC;nnn+ "downloading" the current messages into a file for
printing or examining later. The messages will
appear in NUMERICAL order, but you will NOT be
offered an opportunity to reply. Messages will just
keep scrolling into your system and you will need
to use a "capture buffer" to retain them. RC;*
will start from the first new message, RC;nnn+ will
start from the message number you have entered.
While this is a way to "grab" messages quickly to
read off-line, it tends to discourage replies and
often turns the user into a reader rather than a
participant. Your message pointer will be updated.
Along with these read options, there are some ways to look for
messages. All of them are generally followed with the number of the
message you wish to start at and a plus sign [+].
Q;nnn+ Quick Scan will display the subjects of messages
in numerical order.
S;nnn+ Scan will display the "message headers," the time
and date of the message, the message number, the
name of the person it is from, the name of the
person it is to, and the subject.
Q?;nnn+ The R, Q, or S command, followed by a question mark
S?;nnn+ [?] will allow you to search for a keyword or name
R?;nnn+ in the message header. Since Q only displays the
subject, I believe it will only search for keywords
in the subject, while the others will also allow
a search for the name of the person it is from or
to.
Hope that these "advanced features" allow you to tailor your reading
the way you would like it.
Msg #1660 Dated 9:46:51 10-03-90 -> 1661
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MESSAGE DISTRIBUTION
David Luther has asked if messages can be printed or placed on diskette
and distributed to members of IBM Rings, magic clubs, etc. I'd like to
get some feelings about this.
Certainly, if such distribution is allowed, it should include the fact
that the material came from MAGIC! (along with MAGIC!'s phone number
and sign on directions) and proper credit, particularly in the case of
described effects, to the author of the material.
What does everyone think?
Msg #1661 Dated 10:20:58 10-03-90 1660 <--> 1666
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MESSAGE DISTRIBUTION
I would suggest that since we are a computer BB that maybe if someone
wants to circulate this drivel to others it be done with a computer. It
shouldn't be that tough to drag a machine to a meeting, plop in some
disks and let the group read off the screen. Maybe even hook up the
phone and get online! I guess if someone wanted to PRINT stuff and hand
it out, there is no way to stop 'em, but it defeats the purpose. If you
have a small magic club, for example, years ago there was a great and
talented bunch in San Jose, Calif., called "The Mystic 13" - what they
do in their closed meetings (any Ring usually keeps the business
portion closed to guests) is their own business. Maybe we should keep
MAGIC! A SECRET to only those that go to the trouble of joining and
paying for the phone time? I say keep it to our own members for now. I
don't think, however, we should stop anyone -- say GENII or INSIDE
MAGIC from "quoting" occasional bits, but for full use anyone should
join.
Msg #1662 Dated 18:56:07 10-03-90 1617 <--> 1663
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Thanks, Tab. I do appreciate your comments.
Msg #1663 Dated 18:56:51 10-03-90 1618 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INTO THE WARPED DIMENSION
Out of the bindery soon, I hope!
Msg #1666 Dated 23:00:22 10-03-90 1661 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE DISTRIBUTION
Hope you are feeling better. I'm inclined to agree with you that
MAGIC!, except for occassional excerpts, should be confined to members.
In many ways it is like a print publication in that an excerpt for
certain purposes is legit, but otherwise the entire publication should
not be copied. Still, I would like to read what other members think.
Msg #1667 Dated 0:18:13 10-04-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: "TECHY STUFF"
A couple of MAGIC! members have made some suggestions about some
technical aspects of MAGIC! This message is for them. If you don't
care about this stuff, or don't understand it, don't worry. Just let
it go past, and get on to the "good stuff."
Here are the responses from programming regarding a couple of the
suggestions that have been made:
"External protocols are a problem because the external program takes
over control of the PC for the duration of the transfer. This is OK
on single user systems, but CC-BBS is multi-user and can not afford
to allow an external program to take over. If the creators of such
protocols would package their code differently, so that they could
be called for packet assembly/disassembly, error checking, etc. and
return control to the caller to do the actual line handling, then it
would not be a problem.
"There are a lot of enhancements that could be made in the whole
file classification and retrieval system. Maybe that would be the
best place to spend my development time for a while.
"If the intent of the request to turn off threading is to allow the
user to read all of ones messages quickly and respond to them later,
then there is a command specifically designed for that purpose. It
is the RC (Read Continuous) command. This command sends all
selected messages in numberical order without any prompts between
messages.
"This command would also be the basis for ZIPing the mail, if I were
to do this in software. However, I think that it is rapidly
becoming too late to take that approach. The newer modems -- like
the HAYES V series -- not only do error correction in hardware, but
also data compression. Thus, the future of BBS communications will
probably be toward eliminating complex file transfer protocols, not
enhancing them. Data compression may live for a while to reduce
storage space requirements on disk, but will disappear from
communications software. However, there are boards beginning to be
available that do data compression on the fly everytime you read or
write to the hard disk. As these become common, then all of the
ARC, ZIP, et. al. programs will become obsolete.
"This is another reason that I am not particularly interested in
trying to solve the problem of how to link to external software
protocol drivers in CC-BBS."
Msg #1668 Dated 5:41:14 10-04-90 -> 1674
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: WOW!
Hi all...just checking in after too-long an absence. I am probably the
only one here who didn't already own Paul Harris' Cloeup Fantasies
books 1 and 2, but if by chance I'm not, let me highly recommend it!
Some VERY neat stuff, and most of it easy enough for even me! I plan
to get "Finale" for Christmas...I've even ordered it so Santa can pick
it up on her next payday! That's what I call being Santa's helper!
Dave
Msg #1669 Dated 5:43:34 10-04-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOK LIST
Hiya Charlie. Please send a list to me at:
1032 Walnut Street
Bremerton, WA 98310
Thanks.
PS: Anybody else who wants to send me used books, spare "ZigZag Girl"
illusions, or personal diaries of Harry Houdini, feel free to use the
above address! *:->
Dave Magnenat
Msg #1674 Dated 21:49:15 10-04-90 1668 <--> 1734
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: WOW!
If you liked Fantasies 1 & 2, you will love the finale!!
Msg #1676 Dated 7:38:45 10-05-90 -> 1779
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AWARDS TV SHOW
DO you have any suggestions as to how to find out IF (and if yes, When(
the program will be carred on one of our local (Austin, TExas) station?
Is it being sold primarly on one of the major network affiliates? (ABC,
NBC, CBS etc)? I would like to get the info into the local magic
newsletters if we can get the info in time. A call to one of the local
staions got a non-helpful "we will have to check with programming, who
will have to check with Susie, who is out til Monday, etc.......
Thanks for all your contributins to the board, and keeping us up to
date on events like the awards show.
Msg #1677 Dated 7:43:20 10-05-90
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: ALL
Re: ENDING ON MENTALISM EFFEC
At last nights ring meeting (Ring 60, Austin) we had a large turnout
of about 60 people, so I switched to something using jumbo cards so
everyone could see. I did "PSI-STEBBINS EFFECT" (first thing in Book
Two of Larry Becker;s World of Super Mentalism). If you are not
familiar with the effect, it ends with 8 cards being dealt to one
of the volunteers, and the performer "revealing" the first 7 cards,
(have volunteer look at cards, performer 'reads thoughts of volunteer
and announces name of cards one at a time), then before announcing the
last card a prepared perdiction given to one of the other volunteers
before start of effect is opened---and states to the effect "the last
card you will look at is the......". At the intermission one of the
full time magicians (whose opinion I have often sought and highly
respect) said that having the prepared prediction was not consistant
with "mentally reading the volunteers mind" and was a different type of
effect, and took away from the whole setup of having the deck mixed up
and cut by 4 volunteers and a random number of cards being given to
the volunteer which the performer then revealed one at a time by
reading the volunteers thoughts. This would be noticed more by an
audience of magicians than a lay audience, but still struck him as b
not being consistant with the mind-reading way to reveal the cards the
volunteer was holding. Does anyone have any suggestions or comments to
this? (Becker notes that Supreme published an effect by Billy McComb
and Ken De Courcy entitled "Cabaret Card Divination" which was a
similar effect but with a different method).
By the way, for those who know the effect, the Gods of Luck were with
me, when I "peeked" at the cut to card to announce how many cards to
deal to the volunteer number 3, the deck had actually been cut to an 8,
so I turned the card over and held it high for all to see!!!!! That
really had some of the more knowledgeable magicians present asking
about how I "forced" the 8 during the effect!!!! (Now only YOU know it
was not my superior skill......)
Msg #1680 Dated 22:07:21 10-05-90 -> 1687
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: BALLOON WORKER
I think a guy named Dennis Forrell (spelling?) was mentioned in the
Cervon Genii. Anybody have a contact? Address, phone nr???? Still, also
trying to locate ventriloquist Paul Winchell. Help appreciated.Tanks.
Msg #1685 Dated 10:51:05 10-06-90 -> 1688
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: BOOK LIST
Well, I got it uploaded...I think. I got a approximately 3 bad blocks
for every 2 that got through. Please check it out to see if it got
through OK. If not, I'll try again. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #1687 Dated 19:37:11 10-06-90 1680 <--> 1692
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BALLOON WORKER
Pete, Call Suzanne at the Castle any weekday 10-5 and she'll give you
Dennis's whereabouts. Tell her your
"Pete"...Later....Dante.............
Msg #1688 Dated 23:41:55 10-06-90 1685 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOK LIST
Sorry to hear that you had so much trouble uploading H&R-BOOK.ZIP. Are
you using a discount phone service? Or PC-Pursuit? or something?
Anyway, the file seems to check out OK - original file size of 58707
and zipped file size of 17316.
Msg #1692 Dated 13:31:28 10-07-90 1687 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: BALLOON WORKER
Thanks Dante, will do unless I get a response before hand here online.
Msg #1709 Dated 5:53:07 10-08-90
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: BOOK LIST
I've uploaded the list to this BBS, check the file section under
H&R-BOOK.ZIP. If you would prefer a hard copy let me know and I will
send you one. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #1710 Dated 5:53:42 10-08-90
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: BOOK LIST
For anyone interested, I have uploaded an (almost) up-to-date copy of
the used book and magazine list Richard Hatch and I put out. Check in
the file section for H&R-BOOK.ZIP. If you find anything you want, just
drop me a note or call. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #1711 Dated 6:45:22 10-08-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: ANDRUS BOX
Jon,
Thanks for the article. I got it when I got home from Nashville.
By the way, I (we) may be moving back down there in a few months.
I'll drop something in the mail to you in a couple of days.--TC---
Msg #1714 Dated 10:17:58 10-08-90 -> 1720
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIGHTING THE HEAD
The photo was shot by Rich Sistos. He is a pro in Nashville. RYou're
right, it is light magic that separates the talented amateurs from the
pros. Rich is worth every penny (dollar).
Is David Price's museum still in Brentwood. Tennessee?
Msg #1717 Dated 11:07:26 10-08-90 -> 1721
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MENTAL EFFECT
Geno Munari has uploaded a file describing his favorite mental effect.
It does indeed look like a "killer." It is in the Files area as
PREDICT.TXT.
Msg #1720 Dated 18:06:35 10-08-90 1714 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LIGHTING THE HEAD
I don't know if it is Brentwood, but it is Near Nashville. Paul Daniels
and I spent a day there drooling. What a Killer Collection. More stuff
than anybody knows exists and is in great shape! We "borrowed" the back
curtain that had been HAND PAINTED and used for the FIRST EVER I.B.M.
conventions and used it on one of the shows at the Nashville I.B.M.
Stuff has to be worth Millions! Later, Tabb
Msg #1721 Dated 18:08:48 10-08-90 1717 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MENTAL EFFECT
I got to call Geno, going to Vegas this weekend.
Msg #1722 Dated 18:09:03 10-08-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI
Re: THIS WEEKEND
Geno, hope this gets to you (will try to call when in town) but am
coming into Vegas Thursday thru Sunday mid-morning. I leave at 2:40
Sunday. Last time after your Limo dropped me at the airport the flight
was cancelled and I sat around waiting to get out for four hours. Then
when I got to San Franciscod the last flight north to Santa Rosa was
gone. I had to take a bus to Santa Rosa then a $20 cab ride from the
bus to my car at the airport. I couldn't believe the San Francisco bus
to Santa Rosa didn't go to the airport! I have lots of photo work on
this trip and hope I can get loose to visit you. I will be staying at
the Gold Coast (comped!) Adios, be in touch.
Msg #1723 Dated 18:11:33 10-08-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: HR BOOKS
Re: BOOKLIST/ORDER
H&R BOOKS: There are three books I would like to get: Edgar Bergen on
Vent $10, Sikorski (660) Juggling, the Possible Dream, $3.00 and (623)
Codnfidence, Prof., Joy of Juggling $3.00 (the Bergen book #615). Will
try to phone you but been crazy here, in and out. I will go back to
your message and check out phone nrs and payment set up, just wanted
these held if possible.
Msg #1724 Dated 18:13:58 10-08-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SURE SHOT
I am looking for a Sure Shot Dice Box. You know, the small, two piece
box (Owen Wooden preferred) that is about 4-inches across and maybe
1-inch deep. You put the pair of dice in them and with a controlled
shake you know they will turnover one time and you can predice the
numbers. Anybody out there willing to sell, let me know price and
condition. I would like to get the wooden one, but will take the cheap
plastic as well. Actually want both.
Msg #1727 Dated 21:29:15 10-08-90 -> 1731
From: STEPHEN CARNS
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC AWARDS
What television network is carrying the International Magic Awards? I
have called most of the stations around my area (Lansing, MI) and
they all have no idea of when it is or who is showing it. I have not
been able to find any information other than Inside Magic and this BBS.
More information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Steve
Msg #1731 Dated 9:51:01 10-09-90 1727 <--> 1736
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEPHEN CARNS (X)
Re: MAGIC AWARDS
As you read in Inside Magic the show is for syndication. That in most
cases means NON Network stations. And the programming departments you
call might not even have seen or heard of the show yet. The best bet is
just keep posted. Hopefully as soon as anyone knows anything the word
will be spread here. You also might keep checking Inside Magic's
telephone HOT LINE, as Stan will probably know first. Max Maven was on
the show, he is online here, and hopefully he can assist.
Msg #1734 Dated 18:56:40 10-09-90 1668 <-
From: WILLIAM VON MORGAN
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: WOW!
Try the "Immaculate Closeup" video...colour stunner is FANTASTIC!
Msg #1735 Dated 20:56:38 10-09-90
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: "NOMEN OMEN"
I'd like to recommend a recently marketed effect to all of you called
"Nomen Omen." It was deloped by a remarkably talentedlose-up magician
from Canada named David Acer (pronounced "Akker"). It's being marketed
by Gary Ouellet and the Camirand Academy of Magic and is or should be
available in the shops soon. It's a mentalism effect with a deck of
cards that is a real killer. For those of you interested, I saw David
perform at a recent convention, Magic in the Mountains, and I uploaded
a full report on it that now resides in the files section. I would be
particularly interested in what Max Maven would think of this trick.
I am sure he'll be getting one soon for review in GENII. Anyway, I've
been doing the trick in restaurants since I bought it and it's simply
devastating. Also, the side benefit is that it puts a couple of
business cards in your spectators hands if you choose to perform the
effect that way. I do!
Msg #1736 Dated 22:41:54 10-09-90 1731 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEPHEN CARNS (X)
Re: MAGIC AWARDS
I think Max Maven is out of town until at least Oct. 13th or so, so you
may want to check either the Inside Magic Hot Line or the copy of TV
Guide for your area. He did say something about the show being run in
different areas anytime during the entire month of October with 90%
penentration (meaning that most viewers should be able to get it). The
L.A. run is supposed to be on Oct. 31st.
Msg #1738 Dated 23:43:32 10-09-90
From: STEPHEN CARNS
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC AWARDS
A friend was in Tampa on Sunday and saw the end of the show. Obviously
the show is being aired already. She did not remember the network, but
said it had preempted a football game (unusual that Magic replaces
sports on TV). I am still searching in my area. My hopes are low as
the Magic Castle special did not make it in my area. - Steve
Msg #1739 Dated 10:22:02 10-10-90 -> 1780
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BICODAL FROM "LINKING RIN
I read your instructions on BICODAL and the effect is great but I have
one small problem. In the instructions on page 91 you say that when you
convert "xhpw" using the decoder in FIG 3 that it spells "STAR". I have
no problem with that. When you flip the card over and convert "mdyx"
you get "YLZS". I think the "m" and the "v" must be swapped on FIG 3 as
well as the "y" and the "f" because by doing this you can then spell
"PLUS". Let me know if I am missing something.
Msg #1748 Dated 1:03:56 10-11-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: VIDEO NOTETAKING
Ron Bieber has gone through all of the messages regarding
video-notetaking and has prepared an article on the topic. It can be
found in the File Section as VID-NOTE Your comments on it will be
appreciated.
Msg #1751 Dated 16:02:22 10-11-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: ERDNASE
Hi ya Jeff,
Just checking on you - and your Erdnase book. I'm really
looking forward to its release and to the "read". Hope things
are going well for you. Also looking forward to receiving the
first vid from your production company. Hope to see you soon
Yor pal, --Tab----
Msg #1752 Dated 16:04:43 10-11-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
Hi Charlie,
Books were waiting for me when I got back from Tennessee a couple
of days ago. Especially nice is your partner Richard's translation
of Hofsinser book. I started reading last night and read till about
2am. Tell him I said so. I guess by now its no secret that I enjoy a
good book from time to time. Thanks again. Got a card from Zaney
Blaney who said he ran into you and Richard at the magic club meeting.
Said you were both "nice" guys. ---TC-----
Msg #1757 Dated 18:22:22 10-12-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI
Re: WHEN?
Am at the Gold Coast, will try to call and maybe can get together
Sunday for a few minutes? If you get this leave a message for me at the
Hotel. Adios.
Msg #1768 Dated 23:28:10 10-12-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: LULL
Knock, knock... Er, hey, folks... It seems kinda quiet in here. Sorta
like one of those lulls in the cocktail party conversations. We've got
some new members and someone ought to waltz them around the floor and
show 'em a good time. Don't tell me that we've run out of MAGIC!
conversation already. Ron Bieber posted a juicy file, VID-NOTE, that
should inspire some conversation. And there must be a trick or two
that someone would like to share. And certainly, there can't be a
total absence of MAGIC! gossip and rumor...
Here's a thought for you. I recently put together an act that was
"prop-ier" than anything I've done before - a jazzed up version of Nick
Trost's Un-Cards, a bill vanish with a "Magician's Mailbox," and a
whole scenario around Clarence Miller's incredible "Impossible
Penetration" (a wooden "finger chopper" that is like no other) that I
dressed up with a little basket to catch the head of a demonstration
doll, an ambulance that rushes up with lights and siren, etc... and
lot's of patter. A whole series of adult audiences have loved it! The
question is, is propy close-up magic "in"???
Msg #1769 Dated 5:48:43 10-13-90 -> 1773
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: "PROPPY" CLOSE-UP
If it's not it....well, that's exactly why you want to do it!
Different is always best. As far as "proppy" close-up, there's always
been Don Alan's "bird" bit...and Jeff Stewart from NY is the proppiest
close-up worker I've EVER seen. He uses everything from the old
chattering teeth to find a card to one of those wind-up propellers that
he shoots up in the air. As everybody watches, he switches a card on
the table for a JUMBO duplicate. It's pretty funny. Also, I'd like to
take this opportunity to introduce you to Bob Cansler from
Massachusettes, who recently became an acquaintance. He'll be working
with me on "The Magic Menu." He's got some pretty neat ideas
(commercial!) regarding the performance of magic in restaurant and bar
situations and should be an interesting participant in MAGIC!.
Later....
Msg #1771 Dated 14:26:57 10-13-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CECK
It is the Close Encounters of the Closeup Kind weekend in Rochester,
N.Y. over the second weekend in November. We are to fly up Thursday for
the Thursday night lecture ( I haven't heard who yet) and stay til
Sunday. I will certainly let you know how it turns out. Thanks for the
advice, it sounds like a good weekend.---TC----
Msg #1772 Dated 11:04:28 10-14-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC AWARDS
Just saw the Int'l Magic Awards courtsy Gloria who was up
as 2am here on the east coast and video taped the whole shebang
sans commercials (whew!). Definately worth watching if you get a
chance. MAGIC!'s MAX MAVEN stole the show. Nice going. Lance Burton
is terrific in the style of Fred Kaps and other great classical
artists. Not enough of Michael Ammarr. Thanks Bill Larsen for
accepting the Dai Vernon Award. Always like seeing Bill on TV. Good
comedy magic. Greg Wilson, whom I hadn't seen since he was about 14
is now 25 and looks great. The crystal sword box - sub trunk combo
was a lot of fun. Gloria wants to know if Princess Tenko has a twin
sister. Hmmm, twins.....thanks, Max. The future of magic lies with
the mind (hasn't it always).
Msg #1773 Dated 18:51:05 10-14-90 1769 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: "PROPPY" CLOSE-UP
Thanks for your thoughs on "propy" close-up magic. I agree, it is
always best to do what others aren't -- just wondered if I was in on
some kind of trend here.
We welcome Bob Cansler and look forward to his participation.
Msg #1775 Dated 20:03:51 10-14-90 -> 1777
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: MAGIC!
Just wanted to say I think you're doing a great job with MAGIC!.
I hope things out there on the left coast are great. I'm going
up to the CECK conclave with Howie Schwartzman in a few weeks and
will submit a report when I get back. Howie has a laptop, so I might
be able to check in from the scene in Rochester, NY. It is the 2nd
weekend in November, sponsored by Obie Obrien of FFFF fame. I'm
looking forward to going. I hope some other MAGIC! members will be
in attendence so I can say "howdy". Also am finishing an article
on Walter Blaney for WestWord Entertainment Review which I will
upload as soon as I get it final.---TC----
Msg #1777 Dated 0:01:56 10-15-90 1775 <--> 1782
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC!
Thanks for the kind words, Tabby! Hope we can keep the momentum going
around here. Will definitely look forward to your CECK report.
Msg #1779 Dated 0:26:48 10-15-90 1676 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: MAGIC AWARDS TV SHOW
The awards show is syndicated, which means that it is purchased by the
various stations one by one. Each station is then able to decide when
to air the show in their market, within a designated "window" (i.e., a
range of acceptable dates). In the case of this special, the window is
about 3-1/2 weeks, from early October to the 31st. In some markets the
show will air in the afternoon, in others late at night, and in some
during prime time.
In most markets, a show of this sort is usually purchased by an
independent station -- one that does not have a network affiliation. I
don't know which station in your area will run the show, but it's very
likely that one has bought it, as the show has sold to about 90% of the
country, and just about 100% of the major cities.
Msg #1780 Dated 0:36:17 10-15-90 1739 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: BICODAL FROM "LINKING RIN
You're correct; the chart that is in the magazine is not laid out
accurately. I trust you'll have no trouble setting it right by swapping
the necessary letters.
Msg #1781 Dated 8:22:40 10-15-90 -> 1788
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FINDING ANDY
Mr. Max,
Just wanted to let you know how much we enjoyed your performance
on the International Magic Awards program the other night.
Congratulations on your Psychological Magic award.---TC----
Msg #1782 Dated 10:18:35 10-15-90 1775 <--> 1785
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC!
Tab... say Hi to Obie for me and ask him to get the name of the guy he
wanted me to book for IBM as soon as possible! I have a new client and
will be killer busy in 91 going to almost all the Indy Car races!!!
Keep in touch, tell Howie to get onboard with his laptop we could use
his mind in MAGIC!
Msg #1785 Dated 10:30:41 10-15-90 1782 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC!
I'll do it and get back to you on it. Howie would be good here
because some of the best minds in magic are signing on - the
reel works - you said it. --tab----
Msg #1787 Dated 15:24:24 10-15-90
From: ROBERT CANSLER
To: ALL
Re: BOB PORTER (BROKEN WAND)
It is my said duty to report the death last saturday of Rober Porter
of Northboro Massachusetts, He was a member of SAM #16 and IBM #22.
He was the last surviving founder of the Worchester SAM assembly, he
along with Ehrich Weiss, Better known as Houdini, performed at the
Old Worcester Theater in 1926. Funeral services will be held Wednesday
October 17, at 10am at the leland-hays Funeral home, 56 main street
worcester mass. Bob was widely known magician and traveled thoughout
New England clubs for more than 40 years, performing illsion and
sleight of hand.
Msg #1788 Dated 18:11:54 10-15-90 1781 <--> 1790
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FINDING ANDY
Thanks. The program won't air here until the 31st, and I'm curious to
see how it all cut together.
Msg #1790 Dated 20:51:44 10-15-90 1788 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FINDING ANDY
I'm curious to hear your comments after you view the special as
an insider. By the way, we met around 1977 or so at Hank Lees
shop on Lincoln St in Boston one rainy (aren't they all) night
in the winter.--TC---
Msg #1791 Dated 20:53:52 10-15-90 -> 1794
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: CECK
I'd like to take a flyer with me to the CECK to pass around to
invite more east coast magicians to investigate MAGIC! Do you
have anything set up on your laser printer you could send/fax
me that I could run through my copier and take a couple dozen
flyers with me? If not, I'll copy the notice from Genii (with your
and Dante's permission of course.--TC---
Msg #1794 Dated 21:31:08 10-15-90 1791 <--> 1797
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CECK
Tabman... give me a mailing address, I have a fistfull of MAGIC! FLIERS
left over from the IBM I could post to y'all.
Msg #1797 Dated 0:07:02 10-16-90 1791 <--> 1798
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CECK
We do have a flyer concerning MAGIC! and there is also a press release.
If you have a few days in which to receive mail, it might be better to
send it that way, since the flyers are on printed stock. Just leave me
a note with your address (Yeah, I know I have it around here, but it
could be faster to just leave it for me again). Thanks for publicizing
MAGIC!
Msg #1798 Dated 0:09:01 10-16-90 1794 <--> 1802
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CECK
There you go, Tabby! Instant service via Pete!
Msg #1802 Dated 10:46:46 10-16-90 1794 <--> 1803
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CECK
Tabman Crabb
P.O. Box 590
Rt. 2, Box 4
Charlotte Hall, MD 20622
Msg #1803 Dated 10:47:47 10-16-90 1797 <--> 1804
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CECK
See # 1802. Sure, no problem. Where else can we meet on but on
the MAGIC! plateau.
Msg #1804 Dated 10:48:42 10-16-90 1798 <--> 1808
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CECK
Got it. And will do. Thanks again.
Msg #1806 Dated 15:06:37 10-16-90 -> 1809
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: THE INN EVENT
I'm off to the Inn Event, will give a complete review when I get back
next week. It should be fun, features Larry Jennings.
Charlie
Msg #1808 Dated 15:38:02 10-16-90 1802 <--> 1811
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CECK
Pete, I assume you are sending the flyers to Tabby?
Msg #1809 Dated 15:38:33 10-16-90 1806 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: THE INN EVENT
Looking forward to your review, Charlie!
Msg #1811 Dated 19:30:11 10-16-90 1808 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CECK
Will sendum manana
Msg #1812 Dated 23:46:43 10-16-90 -> 1814
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SHEESH!
Nine people logged on in the last couple of hours, one of 'em three
times(!), and there's only one new message? Don't they include the
keyboards when they sell the computers these days?
Msg #1813 Dated 10:07:11 10-17-90 -> 1815
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: SR. BLITZ
Does anyone know if Senior Blitz, FIFTY YEARS IN THE MAGIC CIRCLE
originally published many years ago has ever been reprinted. I'm
also interested in Rawson's novels about magic and magicians which
were published in the 1930s.
Msg #1814 Dated 12:17:46 10-17-90 1812 <--> 1816
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: SHEESH!
WHAT KEYBOARDS? I USE DOTS AND DASHES ON MY DRUM AND THEY CONVERT TO
ASS KEY. BEEN SO BUSY ALL I CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS READ STUFF. I SENT THE
STUFF TO THE TABMAN.
Msg #1815 Dated 12:18:57 10-17-90 1813 <--> 1818
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SR. BLITZ
Tabman...Byron Walker would know that stuff. He is in Hayward, Calif.,
and if I can quick find my address book will give Nr. 415 352 1854 is
phone. Mail: Box 3186, San Leandro, CA 94578. He has killer books,
lists etc. He and I went allk thru school together and HE BOUGHT LLOYD
JONES' LIBRARY. I should have but wasn't HIP to value. My guess the
collection cost 50K and is now worth 3MIL. ECH. I HAD FIRST DIBS FROM
LLOYD TOO. Let us know if he helps ya! Maild fliers today.
Msg #1816 Dated 12:28:12 10-17-90 1814 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHEESH!
Well, of course, I type my messages out on an old Remington manual
typewriter and then scan them into MAGIC! But you are not one of the
folks who never write home to Mama. I'd just like to see a few folks
swapping effects, gossip, etc.
Thanks for getting the package off to Tabman.
Msg #1818 Dated 14:51:18 10-17-90 1815 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SR. BLITZ
Yes, thanks for mailing out the flyers. I want to help magicMAGIC!
anyway I can. Thanks for the address. Lloyd Jones library, man
oh man. I love conjuring books. It seems most of the greatest were
written years ago and far away. I spend hours in the ones I have here.
While I love cofllecting them, most fave it in the study and the
tracking of individuals through the sritings of others. I'll write him
tonite. Thanks again.--Tabman---
Msg #1819 Dated 14:53:58 10-17-90 -> 1826
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: THE PHONECALL
Daveman,
Sorry we missed each otehr today. I'll try again tomorrow. I;m up
to my ass key in alligators trying to drain the swamp. What is the
Inn Event that Charlie Randallman is going to. ??
--Tabman---
Msg #1820 Dated 16:12:01 10-17-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: ZANEY BLANEY
Just uplifted I mean uploaded a story from WestWord Entertainment
Review on our pal Walter Blaney. Mr. Sysop let me know if it got there
unscathed. It is a layman piece, but may be of interest especially if
you know Walter. Maybe we can get him to join MAGIC! in a few months
after he gets moved into his new place. He still doesn't have a
computer.
Msg #1821 Dated 16:49:21 10-17-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI
Re: PREDICT.TXT
I wanted to thank you for uploading PREDICT.TXT. Through my reading
of conjuring lit I have become fascinated with the mentalists art. Been
studying Corrinda's 13 Steps to Mentalism. One effect I've found I
really like is Dr. Jaks Crystal Locket from 13 Steps. What do you think
of the Boon Writer. I used to use a Johnson Nail Writer but lost it so
just got two Boons. It feels awkward to me. Have do ever used one?
--Tabman---
Msg #1822 Dated 19:44:05 10-17-90 -> 1827
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: "MISLED" AT A DISCOUNT
I have 5 copies of "MISLED" that I will sell for $14.00 ea. Take one or
all. That is 25% less than the retaial price of $17.50+tax. To order
send $14.00+ $1.00 postage to Burt Carpenter, 23900 Ironwood #B126,
Moreno Valley, CA 92387. This works as good close up as it did on the
Copperfield special.
Msg #1823 Dated 20:12:29 10-17-90 -> 1824
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
Does any one out there know of a good source for invisible thread?
Who's works best and is least expensive? I am intersted in close up
levitations. I have PK factor etc. Along this line is the jumping coin
that Johnny Ace Palmer and others are doing done with invisible thread
or what? Is the method published anywhere?
Msg #1824 Dated 21:37:57 10-17-90 1823 <--> 1846
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
Joe Stevens sells the Finn Jon stuff which is great. Depends on how
long and strong you want. Fred Kaps Cork used "stripped" pieces out of
ladies hosiery. Dark Schapparialli (spelling ?) was what he used. Do
you know any gals with real long hair? Finn used to snag pieces off
dancers on shows he worked!
Msg #1826 Dated 22:35:44 10-17-90 1819 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE PHONECALL
Was a nice surprise to hear you on my hard disk (voice mail, digital
storage). I'm sorry we missed each other too. Funny thing, had a
number of Southern calls today, felt like old home week! You'd better
ask Charlie to explain the Inn Event.
Msg #1827 Dated 22:38:33 10-17-90 1822 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: "MISLED" AT A DISCOUNT
"Misled" is certainly a mind bogler! Fun to do, once you get the moves
down, and fun to watch the audience reaction.
Msg #1828 Dated 22:43:14 10-17-90 -> 1831
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DAI VERNON
Dai is having some health problems, according to Bill Larsen. "He had
a fall several weeks ago which caused him to lose some blood and be
sent to the hospital where he then had to undergo a minor operation.
We also suspect that he has done damage to his back as he still is not
able to walk, but we are hoping that with therapy he will be able to be
back at the Castle in the not too distant future." He is currently
staying with Larry Jennings and B.J. At the end of the month he may go
down to his son's house in San Diego for convalescence.
Cards and letters can be sent to Dai Vernon, c/o The Magic Castle, 7001
Franklin Ave., Hollywood, CA 90028.
Msg #1830 Dated 23:05:39 10-17-90 -> 1832
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ZANEY BLANEY
The Tabman (Tabby Crabb) has uploaded a very nice article about Walter
Zaney Blaney that he wrote for WestWord. It is in the files area as
ZANEY.TXT. Thanks, Tabman!
Msg #1831 Dated 9:49:11 10-18-90 1828 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: DAI VERNON
Thanks, will do.
Msg #1832 Dated 9:49:30 10-18-90 1830 <--> 1838
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: ZANEY BLANEY
Much more to come. I'm just getting warmed up.
Msg #1833 Dated 15:13:10 10-18-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: ON LINE
Bad storms moving through DC area, I'll be back when I can.
Msg #1836 Dated 20:44:31 10-18-90 -> 1854
From: JIM SISTI
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: "FOCUS"
I just spent the last three hours pouring through "Focus" and it's been
a long time since I've been this delighted wita magic books. Literally
scores of usuable effects! I do restaurant magic for a living and I
must say that if "Masque" were the only effect in the book, it would
still be worth what I paid for the entire volume. Really solid,
commercial effects, suitable for "real world" situations. (You should
have included "Ice Dice," though. That's still one of my favorite
tricks!) Plus, cosmetically speaking, it's a beautiful book. Thanks
for compiling the stuff from the magazines, too. I can throw out all
the old "Magic Manuscripts," etc. that I was saving because they had
"Chromavator," etc. in them. I have just started a magazine for
restaurant and bar magicians. Any possibility of doing an interview
with you? It would be great to discuss close-up mentalism....effects
that could be done in a walk-around situation. Please advise.
Msg #1838 Dated 22:39:12 10-18-90 1832 <--> 1847
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ZANEY BLANEY
We're looking forward to your further contributions, Tabby. You are a
great MAGIC! supporter and contributor. Thanks.
Msg #1841 Dated 23:06:25 10-18-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: AL GOSHMAN
While I have not had any direct contact with Al Goshman, I'm told that
his condition remains "the same". So it might be nice to send him a
note or a letter to help cheer him up (since his condition is, at best,
chronic, "Thinking of You" might be a more appropriate sentiment than
"Get Well Soon"). His address is: Albert Goshman, 11226 Kamloops,
Lakeview Terrace, California, 91342.
Msg #1846 Dated 10:14:55 10-19-90 1824 <--> 1876
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
Thanks for the info. I've considered ordering some of the Finn Jon
thread from Steven's. What do they mean by short or long loops?
Steven's prices seem expensive if all you get is 4 pieces of thread.
Msg #1847 Dated 10:20:01 10-19-90 1838 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: ZANEY BLANEY
Thank you.
Msg #1848 Dated 10:44:28 10-19-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: RAY-MOND
A card in from RAY-MOND today. He's down in sunny Florida doing his
lecture "Old Time Magic". Definately an interest of mine. When he gets
back to MAryland in late November he's going to be selling off quite a
bit of his collection. I'll let anyone know if yure interested. --TC--
Msg #1849 Dated 10:48:24 10-19-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC BY GOSH
Does anyone know if Albert Goshman has a computer and modem. Being down
like he is he would find a lot of comfort and joy in the
communiucations herein. Maybe one of you West Coasters could fine out
-I know who it will probably ~rbe, though our Sysop has made this all
possible. Anyway, maybe we could all send him messages and someone
could print it out and we could mailhim enmasse. I'll be glad
to volunteer if nobody else wants to. Albert's book is one of my
favorite of the more modern contemporary tomes and nicely packaged too
with a slip cover. Highly reccommended. Spelling lessons are
recommended too. Thanks for your time.
Msg #1850 Dated 13:03:57 10-19-90 -> 1852
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: MAGIC BY GOSH
I just wrote Albert telling him about MAGIC! and inviting his
participation. After my last message written high upon an old soapb
I got to thinking about Albert and his book and all that. Anyway,
thanks for telling us about him from time to time.==TC---
Msg #1852 Dated 15:07:55 10-19-90 1850 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC BY GOSH
Thanks for telling Albert about MAGIC! I don't know if he has a
computer or not, or if he can use it at the present time. I am going
to take up your suggestion about "electronic greeting cards," see the
next message...
Msg #1853 Dated 15:08:52 10-19-90 -> 1864
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
Tabby Crabb has come up with an EXCELLENT suggestion for sending some
"electronic greeting cards" to Al Goshman (Tabby's message #1849). In
order to put the electronic greeting cards together, we will have to
have them by OCTOBER 25th.
So here's what you do... Just compose an on-line message to AL GOSHMAN
(I'm going to set up a temporary listing for him, just as if he was
on-line). Your message can be plain or "fancy" (You can use character
graphics such as plus [+], minus [-], and colon [:] to create borders,
etc. You may want to do this "off-line" using a word processor and then
upload it) and it can be public or "personal." On the morning of
October 26th, I'll print off whatever is here and send it to Al.
Let's get into this and help cheer up one of the true greats of magic!
Msg #1854 Dated 16:03:20 10-19-90 1836 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: "FOCUS"
Thank you for the kind comments about "Focus." I did not include "Ice
Dice" because the cubes are extraneous props, and thus put that trick
outside the definitions of the collection.
Regarding an interview, I'm open to the possibility. Send me a copy
of your magazine so that I can see what it's like, and perhaps a few
questions of the type you'd like to cover.
My address: 1746 N. Orange Dr. - Apt. 1106 - Hollywood, CA 90028
Msg #1857 Dated 22:06:55 10-19-90 -> 1860
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: ALL
Re: DAI VERNON
Had a nice chat with B.J. Jennings today and she said the Professor is
doing remarkably well. He made it to the castle last Friday for lunch
and has since just improved. Amazing at 96 years of age and still as
sharp as a tack. Some readers may be interested to read some quick
views of his in the NOVEMBER "Vernon Touch" on Erdnase. Good news is he
WON'T be going to San Diego to "convalese" He'll be hanging with the
Jenning's (bless them).................................................
Msg #1860 Dated 2:52:49 10-20-90 1857 <--> 1863
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: DAI VERNON
Thanks for the Dai Vernon update. Sure would be good to see him up and
around again!
Msg #1863 Dated 6:41:04 10-20-90 1857 <--> 1917
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: DAI VERNON
Dante,
Glad to hear about the Professor. I have almost everything in print
by or about him and Becky Blaney introduced me to him a number of years
ago at the Castle. Genii is really looking good.---Tabman---
Msg #1864 Dated 6:51:27 10-20-90 1853 <--> 1865
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
I'll upload a copy of the letter to Albert so you can see what I said
about MAGIC!. It is a wonderful medium for communication and it would
be great if we can get some of the "old timers" like Albert, Ray-Mond,
etc to come on line with us. I'm happy we will be able to send out our
greetings to these people who have given us so much. I will be
"working" on them at the CECK conclave. Looking forward to hearing from
Charlie Randall about the Inn Event. Thanks.
Msg #1865 Dated 12:28:00 10-20-90 1864 <--> 1866
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
Thanks for sending your letter to Albert. Yes, it would be nice to
have him and some of the other "old-timers" on here. Now if only
Houdini would sign on! (Maybe his "I'll get through" pledge would work
electronically! After all, the National Enquirer insists that faxes
have been received from Heaven!).
We've set up AL GOSHMAN as a "member" so that "electronic greeting
cards" can be sent to him here on MAGIC! On the morning of October
26th we will print off the messages that have been addressed to him and
send them to him. I think you had a great idea when you suggested
that, and I'm hoping that all of our members will take a few moments to
drop him a note.
Msg #1866 Dated 13:02:08 10-20-90 1865 <--> 1870
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
Set up Houdini as a "member" and maybe he will sign on. We have six
dogs and the biggest we call houdini dog because he can escape from any
enclosure even if he ha to dive through the door and destroy it.
Nothing stops houdini dog. He weighs 108 lbs.
I don't come in contact with many magicians outside a couple of
correspondents and of course MAGIC! but I think this bbs is part of the
future of the Art of Magic. Some of the heaviest minds in the biz check
in here. Eventually they will all come. I'm thinking about getting a
dedicated line for my computer when we relocate so I can spend a little
more time on line. I will have more time though to devote to
magicMAGIC! and will help anyway I can.
Msg #1867 Dated 13:11:20 10-20-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: CONJUROR'S
I almost forgot to ask you what incarnation of Conjuror Magazine are
those offered on your list. The Walter Gibson edited edition? or.....??
Msg #1868 Dated 20:27:22 10-20-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: AL GOSHMAN
Re: MAGIC!
Hi Albert,
It's me again, Tabman Candu, sending you best wishes via the MAGIC!
computer bulliten board I recently wrote you about. We could sure use
your insights here. I'm sure the other members feel the same way as I
and they will be telling you about it too. We all appreciate the
contributions you have made to our art over the years you have devoted
to making close up magic what it is today. Best Wishes.---Tabman----
Msg #1869 Dated 22:52:14 10-20-90 -> 1871
From: JEFF BERMAN
To: ALL
Re: MISLED
I saw MISLED on the Copperfield special but have no personal experience
with the routine. Is it difficult to learn and master? Is it
convincing in a close-up setting. I'd appreciate some feedback from
anyone who knows this routine.
Msg #1870 Dated 0:25:40 10-21-90 1866 <--> 1900
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
Thanks, once again, for your kind words. I'm very pleased with the way
MAGIC! is going so far, and, yes, we have a good crop of heavy hitters
on here. I'm also pleased that, thanks to the members, we have been
able to pull off some real coups - Pete Biro's IBM coverage, our
instant interview and photo of Jade, Max Maven's instant announcement
from the Magic Awards Show, etc. Let's all keep it going!
Msg #1871 Dated 0:28:46 10-21-90 1869 <--> 1888
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JEFF BERMAN (X)
Re: MISLED
Misled requires no more work than most other effects. You do want to
practice to get it just right, but it isn't really hard, and it doesn't
require any slights. You just have to have it down cold before you
perform it as there isn't a lot of room for error. It can be very
convincing at quite close range, although there are some angles to be
concerned with (don't try it surrounded!). It is also very portable
and ready to go whenever you need it.
Msg #1872 Dated 0:35:32 10-21-90 -> 1880
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CIRQUE DU SOLEIL
Cirque du Soleil bills itself as "Un Nouvelle Experience" and it is.
An exciting blend of circus and theater, Cirque du Soleil is an
up-tempo, high-energy three hour performance with all of the
elemental thrills of a big time circus.
Originating out of Montreal, the Cirque started as street
performers. Over the years it has become a full-blown traveling
show with a big top, dozens of trucks to carry and support it, and
sophisticated, computerized, lighting, sound and special effects.
The opening act, four young female contortionists, is almost painful
to look at. These incredible girls can literally bend completely
over backwards, some of them able to bring their feet back down
below their heads. It has to be seen to be believed.
There are acrobats, trapeze and high wire acts, all VERY good. And
there is a bit of vaudeville too - a final performer who builds a
tower of chairs (I counted at least eight) and does acrobatics at
the top of the tower. The show is loosely held together by a clown,
an impresario and a mime. The mime is good and does a lot of
audience participation bits. One wonders what Les Bubb could do
with the role. Sadly, there are no magicians. There should be, as
it would complete the performance.
Cirque du Soleil is presently in Santa Monica, adjacent to the Pier.
There are evening performances every day except Monday (Tuesday
through Thursday and Saturday, 8 p.m.; Friday, 6 & 9:30 p.m.), and
matinee performances on Saturday (4:30 p.m.) and Sunday (1 & 4:30
p.m.). Tickets are available from the box office (213-395-7545) or
from Ticket Master (213-480-3232 and 714-740-2000). Adult tickets
range from $12.50 to $33.50, depending on performance and seating.
Msg #1874 Dated 11:50:11 10-21-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: ZANEY BLANEY
Just on the phone with Walter. He's one of the nicest guys in magic.
Paid the supreme compliment to MAGIC!'s Pete Biro. "I'm a big fan of
Pete's", Walter said. We were talking about Ted. Annemann's En Rapport
system of card revalation with a medium. Good stuff, Charlie Randall
and Rich hatch had this on their list of books, etc 1937 for three
bucks. I'd like to get a copy of the real thing. I'm really opposed to
xeroxing magicians material if their is an original for sale someplace
- preferably from the author or his agent - of course Mr. Annemann
isn't with us anymore, but his stuff is still in print and available.
Encouraging Walter to write a book. Maybe Charlie and Rich can publish
it through H&R Magic. See ya, --Tabmann--
Msg #1875 Dated 14:03:48 10-21-90
From: BLAKE CHATFIELD
To: ALL
Re: MEET YOU?
I will be visiting the Magic Castle on the night of October 26. When I
lived in California I was there often, but not so since I moved to
Colorado. Maybe if any of you are there that night, you will make
yourselves known to me???
Msg #1876 Dated 16:36:25 10-21-90 1823 <--> 1882
From: ROBERT CANSLER
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
A good source for invisiable is a tailor shop or a suit manufacture,
ask for the thread that is used for inseams, you can Zebra stripe
it easily and it works well in all types of lighting.
Msg #1880 Dated 23:26:21 10-21-90 1872 <--> 1881
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CIRQUE DU SOLEIL
I saw last years Cirque and it was fabulous. Just saw the Pickle Family
Circus in Gualala. Close, but no cigar (compared the the Canadians).
Still, all worth seeing. Pickle had a great one man jug act. No Mojo
Tho.
Msg #1881 Dated 0:32:23 10-22-90 1880 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CIRQUE DU SOLEIL
Part of the reason I attended Cirque was that you'd recommended it.
And it was great. I'd like to see the Pickle Family Circus sometime.
Msg #1882 Dated 0:34:07 10-22-90 1824 <--> 1887
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
I think that the hosery has to be some "silky" kind, not the ordinary
pantyhose that are popular today. Gloria Vanderbuilt "Ultra Sheer"
pantyhose might work, but you could probably save money by letting
someone wear them until they run (about 1 wearing)
before you take the thread -- they are not the cheapest on the market!
Had anyone ever experimented with Black Widow spider's web? I'm told
that it was used for gunsight crosshairs in WW-II because of its
strength.
Msg #1884 Dated 7:56:03 10-22-90 -> 1897
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLYERS
Got em. Thanks, I'll make good use of em. Why green?
Msg #1887 Dated 19:08:36 10-22-90 1876 <--> 1912
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ROBERT CANSLER (X)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
THANKS BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "ZEBRA STRIPE"? WILL IT WORK GOOD
ENOUGH FOR CLOSE-UP?
Msg #1888 Dated 19:11:34 10-22-90 1869 <--> 1992
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: JEFF BERMAN (X)
Re: MISLED
The MISLED routine is fairly easy to learn. There is a gimmick that
does most of the "work" for you and that creates the illusion of both
the penetration and the slow motion melt through the bill. The only
slight of hand required is to be able to hide the gimmick. I have
performed the melt through portion of the routine within inches of the
spectators. I personally feel that the penetration at the beginning of
the routine should be done at a distance of at least 3-4 feet. The
gimmick is easier to hide than a thumbtip. Both the bill and the pencil
can be examined or even borrowed.
Msg #1890 Dated 20:56:47 10-22-90 -> 1893
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: ALL
Re: NEW SHOP
Just wanted to let you all know that my wife and I have opened a new
magic shop in the L.A. area.. It is located at the Old Schoolhouse in
Claremont, address is 415 w. Foothill Claremont, CA 91711.. Phone is
(714) 626-1773 we are open from 9:30 to 6:30 most days, sometimes
later.. The grand opening will be on Nov. 10 & 11, but we are doing
buainess now.. Hope to see you all there!!
Ken
Msg #1893 Dated 23:30:32 10-22-90 1890 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: NEW SHOP
Best wishes on your new magic shop, Ken! Will try to attend the grand
opening, but will have to see if schedule permits.
Msg #1895 Dated 23:47:08 10-22-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW PCX
There is a new picture file in the files area - JIM.PCX is a digitized
photo of Jim Sisti, member of MAGIC! and editor of The Magic Menu.
(Yeah, it came across just fine, Jim).
Msg #1896 Dated 23:48:34 10-22-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: AL GOSHMAN
There are only four days left to send an electronic greeting card to
help try to cheer up Albert Goshman. The package of greetings will be
put together for him on the morning of October 26th. Why not take a
minute or two to send him a message? From the Main Menu, just select
E for Enter Msg. and address your message to AL GOSHMAN.
Msg #1897 Dated 1:15:28 10-23-90 1884 <--> 1902
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLYERS
Ask David.
Msg #1898 Dated 1:16:39 10-23-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: AL GOSHMAN
Re: GREETINGS
Albert. Sitting here in a cheap hotel room hammering away on my
computer. Been covering he Indy Car races in Monerey Calif., and have
signed up to work with a team for next year doing PR for 16 weekends.
This should wear me down sufficiently... The team boss hired me because
he likes the magic tricks at the dinner table. Oh, well, just singing
for my dinner. Hope all is going well, just wanted to drop you this
electronic note to let you know am thinking about you. Take care, your
pal, Pete
Msg #1899 Dated 8:11:25 10-23-90
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: AL GOSHMAN
Re: THINKING OF YOU
Hello Al I don't know you personally but as one magician to another I
just wanted to let you know that my thoughts and Prayers are with you.
I am also the Official Voice for I.B.M. RING 21 here on the MAGIC! BBS
and the "CARYL FLEMING RING" sends thier wishes as well. I know you
don't have a computer but please try to send us a message to let us
know how you are doing. See Ya Later!!!!
Msg #1900 Dated 8:21:34 10-23-90 1853 <--> 1903
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!!!! I had my doubts about magicians on a BBS but as
time goes on I think we (as magicians) have stumbled on a whole new
medium for expression. With this BBS we are a true Brotherhood and can
find out about our fellow Brothers of the magic world. Keep up the good
work Dave and the rest of you keep coming up with the good idea like
the "ELECTRONIC GREETING CARDS"!!!!!
Msg #1902 Dated 11:42:29 10-23-90 1897 <--> 1905
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLYERS
OK.
Msg #1903 Dated 11:43:39 10-23-90 1900 <--> 1906
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
Darrell,
I agree. This is the meeting ground for minds.
Msg #1904 Dated 13:18:16 10-23-90
From: JIM SISTI
To: AL GOSHMAN
Re: HOPE YOU'RE FEELING BETTE
Just wanted to send you greetings from all of the magicians in my
circle of friends. I publish a magazing for restaurant magicians and
can safely say that one of the effects thais almost universal in
restaurant and bar workers repertoires is sponge balls. And every time
a surprised spectator opens his or her hand and discovers that a sponge
ball has magically transported itself into its confines, you are fondly
thought of. Get well soon!
Msg #1905 Dated 14:51:36 10-23-90 1902 <--> 1910
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLYERS
'Cause the printer had green paper! I don't know which one of the
"greens" you have - bright or dull. When we had the flyers printed, I
selected some bright colors so that they would get noticed. I was
getting ready to get on the plane to a convention and wanted to have
them for the registration table. When I went to pick them up the
printer said, "We ran a little short, so we used another color." We
discussed the price and saved a little.
Msg #1906 Dated 14:55:41 10-23-90 1900 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN
Thanks for your kind words. One of the most interesting things, to me,
is the way that MAGIC! is evolving as members suggest new ideas. The
picture files, the electronic greeting cards, etc. Together we really
are creating an interactive MAGIC! community!
Msg #1908 Dated 15:01:26 10-23-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: AL GOSHMAN
Well! We are finally getting electronic greetings for Al! Those of
you who haven't sent one yet, you only have a couple of days left. We
will print them off and send them to Al Goshman on the morning of
October 26th.
To leave a message from the Main Menu...
o Type E for Enter Msg.
o Address the message to AL GOSHMAN
Thanks!
Msg #1910 Dated 16:03:14 10-23-90 1905 <--> 1928
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FLYERS
Bright green. Actually close to the color on gaming tables and
billiard parlours - - I like it. I'll get them out. Just talked to
Howard Schwarzman about MAGIC!. He's put off by the long distance
costs, but I'll have him signing on once a week or so pretty soon.
Thanks for caring.---TC-----
s
Msg #1911 Dated 17:05:31 10-23-90 -> 1923
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC BBS IN THE NETHERLA
Hi MAGIC! members,
.
I just want to let you know that I highly appreciate the MAGIC! BBS and
see it as the future tool for magician communication.
I think the discussions on the MAGIC! BBS are on a very good level and
I became so 'hooked' onit that I have posed the idea in the dutch
magicians society to see if there is interest to start a dutch magic
BBS and as a group download and react on your messgaes.
.
I just wrote a little article in a dutch magicians magazine
'Informagie' and hope to receive the reactions soon. Will keep you
informed on our developments.
Would be great if it could become more international, with other
countries linked to it as well (Japan, GB, France, Spain etc....).
.
David(sysop),
Did you already find out what possibilities you have to connect and
exchange messages with other BBS'es??? Hope to hear from you soon.
Maybe a little note in Genii to check if other countries are interested
can help???
.
OK till soon,
keep-in-touch-with-the-dutch!!!
.
Arnaud.
Msg #1912 Dated 17:45:02 10-23-90 1882 <--> 1913
From: ROBERT CANSLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
You can also use Rod winding, I believe it is number 8, Rod winding is
what fisherman use to hold the eyelets onto the rod. Dick Zimmerman
a man whos magic I love is a great user of Rod winding. for Invisiable
thread routines.
Msg #1913 Dated 17:46:47 10-23-90 1887 <--> 1935
From: ROBERT CANSLER
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
Zebra striping is when you take the thread lay it straight out on the
or a table, take a black magic marker and stripe the string, this
will break up the light reflections off the string and will make it
more invisiable to the audience. The thread that I was refering to in
the previous message is clear so in some circumstances the string will
reflect light back, I work mostly in restraunts where lighting can play
havoc with the thread, here again I use one of Dick Zimmermans routines
called crystal card box, great for doing closeup, but if you don't
watch your lighting the string will reflect, and Zebra Stripes will
keep this from happening. Before you have to send a reply and ask me
the effect is as follows: A card is selected by a spectator and
returned to the deck which is then placed inside a small box made of
transparent plastic. Upon command the card crawls out of the deck,
and pushes the lid open and rises out of the box, finally falling over
on to the table. The cards and box can all be examined immediately.
This routine that Zimmerman does is fantastic and in the walk around
business I am in can get you repeat jobs, because if you entertain with
it people will ask for you when they go into the restraunt or trade
show area.
Msg #1917 Dated 19:09:27 10-23-90 1860 <--> 1931
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: DAI VERNON
I may have jumped the gun as he is up but not quite around yet........
Msg #1922 Dated 20:02:13 10-23-90 -> 1926
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: GOSHMAN
I don't know who started spreading the notion that Albert Goshman does
not have a computer. He was using computers in his business long before
most people had even heard of home computing.
Msg #1923 Dated 20:05:10 10-23-90 1911 <--> 1927
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC BBS IN THE NETHERLA
There must be something in the water in Holland that makes for
great magic. I hope to visit your area someday soon to see for
myself. I manage a couple of music groups that are being distributed
in Germany right now so Holland can't be far behind. My field of
interest is magic history and high (maybe on top) is the Bamberg
family. Best, --Tabman--
Msg #1925 Dated 20:29:41 10-23-90
From: BURT MOODY
To: ALL
Re: DONT TRY THIS AT HOME
If there is any one that does'nt know Penn & Teller (The Bad Boys of
Magic) are going to have there frist network special on 10-26-1990 on
CBS I dont know the time but is will be good so dont miss it .
Msg #1926 Dated 20:49:13 10-23-90 1922 <--> 1932
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: GOSHMAN
Hi,
What I said in my original message was that I didn't know if Albert had
a computer or not. I'm usually surprised these days b who doesn't have
one more than who does. I wrote him a couple of days ago telling him
about MAGIC! and inviting him to join us mentioning some of you
"heavies" letting him know he wouldn't be alone. I also correspond or
talk to Howard Schwarzman, Ray-Mond, and Walter Blaney and have told
them about this bbs also. I feel that the older guys would really love
to be on here and we - them and us - could benefit much in the same way
that we benefit from your and other highly knowlegable personages. I am
trying in my limited way to get more east coasters on also. Best
wishes, Tabman.
Msg #1927 Dated 22:21:09 10-23-90 1923 <--> 1929
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC BBS IN THE NETHERLA
Tabby,
.
Whenever you are in Holland you are always welcome.
.
regards,
Arnaud
Msg #1928 Dated 23:10:47 10-23-90 1910 <--> 1944
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLYERS
Thanks for spreading the word, Tabby. It is really appreciated. By
the way, for those who are planning to be at Desert Magic (1991) we
plan to have a MAGIC! Members meeting and a program of advice on how to
use the different features. If it goes well, it may also occur at IBM.
And I'm trying to get an analysis of the best (cheapest) ways to phone
MAGIC!
(To Pete Biro: Do we have a schedule for the session yet, Pete?).
Msg #1929 Dated 23:15:34 10-23-90 1911 <--> 1943
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC BBS IN THE NETHERLA
Great to hear from you again, Arnaud! And glad to see the work you are
putting in to get an international connection. We are working on a
couple of contacts in Japan as well. Did you mention MAGIC! in the
article in Informagie?
We are working on the connection possibilities. For the near future,
the best, and most cost effective way, seems to be to work out a plan
for transfering the messages in batches (like the compressed versions
of MAGIC-01.ZIP and MAGIC-02.ZIP). It is not the fastest way, but
could be a good way to get started.
Msg #1931 Dated 23:26:36 10-23-90 1917 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: DAI VERNON
Well, please keep us informed of Dai's progress. We're all concerned
about him and wish him a quick recovery.
Msg #1932 Dated 23:28:46 10-23-90 1922 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: GOSHMAN
You are right, Max. I've seen a number of computers in his Magic By
Gosh office. Tabman has sent him some information on how to log on,
and I'm hoping he is up to in. Meanwhile, we plan to send our
electronic greeting cards to him via print. I'm not sure he is up to
logging on. If you have any word on his condition, we'd appreciate it.
Msg #1935 Dated 23:38:53 10-23-90 1912 <--> 1947
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ROBERT CANSLER (X)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
Thanks! And you answered another question! I've always wondered what
kind of thread it was that held the eyelets onto the rods. (Really!).
Msg #1939 Dated 0:14:16 10-24-90 -> 1994
From: JOHN PIZZI
To: ALL
Re: N
I would like to some opinions on how the magic market is doing in the
eyes of working pros.....
I have been performing for ten years ,full time and I am very
interested in hearing from magi's who have strong opinions on the :
industry people,dealers,magic clubs and entertainers. ect...
Msg #1940 Dated 0:31:50 10-24-90
From: JOHN PIZZI
To: ALL
Re: J.PIZZI LOOKING FOR OTHE
I WOUL LIKE TO SPEAK WITH OTHER MAGICIANS WHO WORK COMEDY CLUBS OUTSIDE
OF NYC .
Msg #1941 Dated 0:33:24 10-24-90
From: JOHN PIZZI
To: ALL
Re: VENTRILOQUISM
ARE THERE ANY OUT THERE ??????????
Msg #1943 Dated 7:44:07 10-24-90 1927 <--> 1950
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC BBS IN THE NETHERLA
Thank you. I'll let you kno.
Msg #1944 Dated 7:45:02 10-24-90 1928 <--> 1946
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FLYERS
I'll try to make it. I've got a USA readyline 800 in here and its
pretty cost effective, but there would have to be some way to charge
for it. It would probably cost less than the MCI line I'm using now.
Msg #1945 Dated 7:51:01 10-24-90 -> 1965
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SYSOP
Re: FLYERS
I'll be in NYC for four or five days starting in a couple of hours so
will be off line till the weekend. Howard Schwarzman is trying to get
me to buy his old laptop - maybe. I will be dropping a couple of the
flyers by Tannen's to put on the bulliten board or whatever. I'll be at
the Vista Hotel in the World Trade Center if any of our NYC member want
to give me a holler. See you in a couple of days.
Msg #1946 Dated 12:18:59 10-24-90 1928 <--> 1959
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FLYERS
Joe says he will work it in, but has not informed me of a definite
time/place. My guess it is on HIS back burner and we will probably have
to take the bull by the horns and just get it done. Will keep on him.
Msg #1947 Dated 12:20:20 10-24-90 1935 <--> 1961
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
There is a French 1/4 lb. flesh colored thread that is very strong and
very good. It comes with the Nemo Rising Cards. Joe Stevens might be
able to supply. THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM, HOWEVER is the direction of
the light. Above and behind you is a NO NO. Finn Jon always used FULL
BRIGHT lights on stage BUT ALL FROM THE FRONT. Whenever I see some fool
dim the lights to do the dancing cane on stage I want to shoot him.
Most of the time you cannot even see the cane!
Msg #1950 Dated 15:36:57 10-24-90 1929 <--> 1958
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC BBS IN THE NETHERLA
David,
.
Of course I mentioned MAGIC! in informagie!!!!
.
Arnaud
Msg #1951 Dated 15:55:35 10-24-90 -> 1953
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: HANKY PANKY AND BOTTLE PR
I recently I performed a combination of effect, that in my eyes
make an great routine.
.
Start with the Hanky Panky burned and restored hankerchief from
Bruce Cervon's last book and end with Ammar's bottle production.
You can come up with a story line that you want to do something
back for the spectator after all the terrible things you did to
her (or his) hanky.
.
Stop after the hankerchief is restored (skip Cervon's production
finale) and end with Ammar's Bottle production (see Ammar's Aspen
issue).
The moment you return the coin from Hanky Panky to your pocket, you
can get prepared for the bottle production.
.
.
Try it.
.
Arnaud.
Msg #1953 Dated 17:40:50 10-24-90 1951 <--> 1966
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: HANKY PANKY AND BOTTLE PR
I am not familiar with Ammar's Bottle Production, but I am with Bob
Read's... I wonder if it is the same?
Msg #1954 Dated 17:41:35 10-24-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: ROUTINE
Since our Dutch Friend suggested a combination, here is one I have
found to be excellent. When in an impromptu situation. NOTE: IT WILL
TAKE TOO LONG TO WRITE ONLINE. I AM GOING OFF LINE, WILL WRITE IT WITH
MY WORD PROCESSOR AND RETURN TO UPLOAD IT AS A MESSAGE HERE.
Msg #1955 Dated 17:55:17 10-24-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CARD SEQUENCE
Here is a very good sequence for an Impromptu Situation. In other
words, not one you have been hired to do. It is best to do when
you are asked to do something at a social gathering.
When asked, say, "Gee, I would like to do something for you
but I didn't bring my Tigers... but wait, here let me show you
what a trick would look like if I had one."
Here you go into the "Invisible Deck" using the miniature
deck set up with the cards appearing face outward and the
selected card is found back out, toward spectators. This is the
easy handling as you spread the cards out held high (at your own
eye level) so you can see the cards, you don't have to count. You
then hand them the card, KEEPING IT FACE DOWN. And as they
reveal the card and turn it over to see if you are right, you
switch decks. The switch is not anything special. You just have
the next deck (set up for Bro. Hamman's Micro-Macro) in your
right coat pocket and the Mini Deck card case in your left coat
pocket. Both hands go to the pockets at the same time, bring the
box out in the left hand the new deck in your right.
Start to put the deck away (you can't it won't fit) and stop
saying... "That was one way to find a card, I just remembered
another..."
Now you toss the box aside, spread the deck as per
instructions for Micro-Macro, and take the selected card from the
first trick (it is still laying out) and place it into the spread
deck and finish Micro-Macro as per instructions.
The kicker I like is when you ask someone to put the full-
sized deck into the miniature box.
When I am working for a purely LAY audience the sequence
described above is followed with Don Alan's Big Deal. Going from
the Mini cards to normal to Jumbo is very commercial.
Don't try to make anything special about the deck switch.
There is no suspicion at this time, you are just looking for the
box, are seemingly finished doing your magic, so there is no
suspicion.
Msg #1956 Dated 20:54:40 10-24-90
From: RYAN WILSON
To: ALL
Re: INTERESTED PURCHASER
Looking for any good anfd used tricks, or books on silks rops and coins
also looking for rings and things cups and balls and close-up and
walk around tricks. Any Magicians Liveing IN THE TORONTO ONTARIO AREA
PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL.
My Phone Number is (416) 857-1803
Or to write
264 Glenwood Cres
Bolton Ontario
L7E 1Z4.
Msg #1958 Dated 22:19:42 10-24-90 1950 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC BBS IN THE NETHERLA
Thanks, Arnaud. When the Informagie article appears, could you send me
a copy? I'd appreciate it.
Msg #1959 Dated 22:21:18 10-24-90 1944 <--> 1960
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLYERS
Thanks. I'm trying to put some information together on lowest cost
ways to phone MAGIC! Will report to the members once I have some data,
and, if anyone has any low-cost suggestions, please put them in a
message.
Msg #1960 Dated 22:22:34 10-24-90 1946 <--> 1971
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLYERS
Thanks for staying on Joe regarding the MAGIC! session. It will be fun
to meet some of the MAGIC! members and I think that everyone from
novice to experienced user will walk away with a hint or two.
Msg #1961 Dated 22:24:58 10-24-90 1947 <--> 1972
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
Thanks for the info. I guess I'll have to test the Black Widow spider
web by myself. At least I have a good supply in my garage.
Msg #1965 Dated 22:38:45 10-24-90 1945 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLYERS
Hope New York is/was good to you, Tabman. Will look forward to seeing
messages from you on your return.
Msg #1966 Dated 22:41:28 10-24-90 1951 <--> 1969
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: HANKY PANKY AND BOTTLE PR
Sounds good, Arnaud!
Msg #1969 Dated 23:15:24 10-24-90 1953 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HANKY PANKY AND BOTTLE PR
Quite similar, not identical. It's also on the most recent Ammar video.
Msg #1971 Dated 9:28:26 10-25-90 1959 <--> 1976
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FLYERS
Tab... the lowest cost is to send a postcard, let the SYSOP type in
your message and ask folks to respond by Federal Express.
Seriously, I know what you mean. Mine is a long distance call and I
have logged on over 200 times! Being a nutcase and bored when I am home
doesn't help.
Msg #1972 Dated 9:30:07 10-25-90 1961 <--> 1977
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
But, as Finn Jon says, "It is more fun to get hair from girls in the
chorus line backstage than chasing spiders."
Msg #1976 Dated 23:02:30 10-25-90 1971 <--> 2001
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLYERS
I think the award for furthest caller right now has to go to Arnaud.
He's in Holland and manages to log on pretty frequently. But I'm
gathering some info on ways to lower everyone's cost. Will let you
know what I find out.
Msg #1977 Dated 23:04:35 10-25-90 1972 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INVISIBLE THREAD
I won't debate Finn Jon! But telling a girl that you want a couple of
strands of her hair seems like a unique conversation starter! I do
seriously want to test the Black Widow spider's webb. Will let you
know how it works, if I survive.
Msg #1981 Dated 15:09:48 10-26-90 -> 1990
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: INN EVENT
Well, I'm back from Canada - both pleasure and business, lots of fun.
Magic wise, the highlight was the Inn Event. This is the get together
that Bob Weill puts on each year. It started as a joint effort between
Bob and Howard Lyons to bring together people who had contributed to
Ibidem and was called the Ibidem Event. Later, after Howard Lyons, it
became the Oban Event because of the Inn where it was held. It has
since changed locations and is now just called the Inn Event.
This year's line-up was excellent. The lectures included Larry
Jennings, Mike Rogers, Dave Harkey, and Max Abrams. All presented
excellent lectures. Larry, Mike, and Dave presented some of their
finest material. Max gave a great lecture on Ted Annemann, including
some of the new stuff he has uncovered, such as some early letters
between Annemann and Al Baker (their friendship did not have the best
beginnings). Max is preparing the definitive book on Annemann.
Other events included Ben Robinson's presentation of the bullet
catching. This was well done, not too much or too little. Stewart
James did his "cracker barrel" session in which he discussed magicians
and books of the past. Stewart is a really great guy. Besides being
one of the greats of magic, he is simply a super person. I think
everyone should have Stewart for a grandfather. Alan Slaight talked a
little about the next James book, which by all accounts should be even
better and bigger than the first! (Alan told me that a certain Max
Maven is having a large input into the next book!)
It was a small get together which allowed everyone to mingle and
really get a chance to talk with everybody else. I learned a lot and
had a great time.
Charlie
Msg #1983 Dated 15:10:56 10-26-90
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKS
Hi. Just got back from Canada. Hope you are doing fine. The next
list will be ready within a week or two. Everything is ready except
for pricing and that shouldn't take too long. Then printing and
mailing. I'll let you know, by e-mail, when it is ready.
Talked to Walter last night. He was in good spirits. He's getting
ready to move.
Talk to you later.
Charlie
Msg #1985 Dated 19:12:45 10-26-90 -> 1991
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: BOOKS
Mr. Stupid here has lost a file of paper notes. Someone online listed
books for sale, I asked for a hold on 2 or 3 and I can't find my list
or who to contact. I am sure "you" are online, leave me a message so
I can finish the business (send you money and get the books)! With red
face, Thanks... or as Jay Leno would say "DUH".... :-)
Msg #1990 Dated 22:52:09 10-26-90 1981 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: INN EVENT
Thanks for your report, Charlie. Sounds like a great event!
Msg #1991 Dated 22:53:11 10-26-90 1985 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
Charlie Randall is back on-line now and should be able to look up your
book order.
Msg #1992 Dated 23:12:24 10-26-90 1869 <--> 1995
From: JERRAD ELMORE
To: JEFF BERMAN (X)
Re: MISLED
I have the Misled effect and am very happy with it. I think I
learned it in under ten minutes. It can work good in a close-up
setting, just make sure the pencil is the right color. So far,
everyone I've shown it to is amazed. I highly recommend it.
Hope I was some help.
Jerrad Elmore
Msg #1994 Dated 1:23:50 10-27-90 1939 <-
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: JOHN PIZZI
Re: N
A recessions a coming ........ It's heeeeere...............
Msg #1995 Dated 2:29:35 10-27-90 1869 <-
From: WILLIAM VON MORGAN
To: JEFF BERMAN (X)
Re: MISLED
It is a brilliant close-up trick, I have done it with great sucess
in a range as close as 1.5metres. It can be learned quickly, but I
practiced it for a few days, and then baffeled a group of friends.
It's kind of like a stew...the longer you do it, the better it gets.
\\\\/\/ \/ /\/\\\\
Msg #1999 Dated 16:50:53 10-27-90 -> 2006
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: NY
I'm back, more later.
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