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Msg #500 Dated 23:44:39 07-11-90 -> 503
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VAUDEVILLE 2000
Maybe I should have said, "Magic is DEAD, long live Magic!"
Msg #502 Dated 0:01:45 07-12-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: VAUDEVILLE 2000
It will be broadcast (in part) in Japan on NHK jpublic TV. If you have
any friends there they can send a copy. There are no rights for it to
be seen in the USA (legally) -- the principal acts are at the Castle
this week. I don't know where you live. Also they are filming a special
for CBS at the Castle this week and some of the cast may be on that
show.
Msg #503 Dated 0:18:11 07-12-90 500 <--> 507
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VAUDEVILLE 2000
Interesting! Did you mean "Long live Magic!" in the generic sense? Or
"Long live MAGIC!(tm)" in the bulletin board sense? Seriously, I do
think that things like Vaudeville 2000 will lead us in some interesting
new directions, but I also think that there is a place for people like
Lance Burton. That, to me, is what makes magic continue to be
exciting.
Msg #506 Dated 10:41:55 07-12-90 -> 509
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GAETON, ETC.
So, why don't you get the Webb show over for the IBM? Had heard about
the Yogano Jr. stuff through reviews of his work in Belgium and France
and wish I could have seen it. Must have fried everyone. Regards.
Msg #507 Dated 10:43:38 07-12-90 -> 508
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VAUDEVILLE 2000
There are advantages to electronic communications today that are
bringing the world closer and closer. This, aside from just the
marvels of technology. There's an international "fax underground" that
is developing rapidly for the exchange of magical information. I made
a lengthy series of comments on this aspect of communication in Ben
Harris's latest book MAD FAX. But, until the X.400 standard is
world-wide, communication will be constrained. And, there are serious
problems in getting permits to even own a modem or a fax machine in
several European countries.
In some cases the antiquated Telex system is the only way to get
electronic messages into and out of a country. We're doing our little
bit to finish off the rusting iron curtain. A few days ago, for
instance, we worked on an arrangement with the "Office of Culture" in
East Germany for them to translate and print Dr. Bart Whaley's WHO'S
WHO IN MAGIC. It may be the first magic book to be translated by the
"State" from English into German. But phone lines are still so
terrible into East Germany that even a phone call from West Berlin to
East Berlin -- the same city -- can be inaudible.
I can hardly wait until the Eastern Block magicians (and there are a
whole lot of magicians in Eastern Block countries other than Russia)
start travelling. The (ex) Communist magic magazines are full of very
interesting stuff that hasn't been seen. Should be fun.
Msg #508 Dated 16:38:11 07-12-90 503 <--> 516
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VAUDEVILLE 2000
If you have seen Lance lately he is moving in the direction (the
direction being forward). As you may not know, 10 years ago when Lance
won the Gold Medal at the IBM -- I was one of the judges that voted
"NO" and I had my reasons. It is a long story and one that should be
told. So, I will write it offline and download tonight or tomorrow.
Msg #509 Dated 16:41:15 07-12-90 506 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: GAETON, ETC.
Webb would be great if I had the $$. Yogano Fried All. When the NHK
tape comes jout I am sure his act will be on it and you can view then.
Keep in touch. Heard anymore from Booth? I saw something somewhere
(Stan Allen pub?) that sounded typical.
Msg #511 Dated 17:36:43 07-12-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: GOLD MEDAL
WHY I (AND BILL LARSEN) VOTED NOT TO GIVE LANCE BURTON THE GOLD
MEDAL 10 YEARS AGO....
Yes, it has been 10 years since Lance Burton came onto the magic
scene. It was Evansville Indiana, the IBM convention contests. I
was there to perform and MC and was asked to Judge the Gold Medal
Competition -- with several others, like Bill Larsen, Jay
Marshall etc., as well as the chairman of the judges, Jeffrey
Atkins (from England). Our instructions were to judge to the
highest standard if the Gold Medal was to be given. I think this
was the first time ever. And that criterion similar to the FISM
should be taken into consideration. The usual routine is to have
preliminary competitions, with from 20-40 entries, working all-
day to select the "Final Six". A first place winner is picked
from that group, but the Gold Medal Judges do not know who won
that day. It is only fair. Like in a foot race, you can be great,
win one day and lose the next. And in a magic competition, you
can do a bad show on any given day. So, there you are. Lance was
on the final show, of course. When we finished watching nearly
everyone agreed, Lance had done the BEST job that day. Better
than the day before. So in making the decision to give him the
Gold. I voted NO, based on the fact that on the stage at a FISM
you would be given a poor score for using standard dealer props,
such as appearing candles ala Fantasio, and heaven forbid a
Zombie Ball!!! Bill Larsen voted NO, because he said, "I would
book this act for the Castle, but not for the It's Magic Show."
Bear in mind, Lance had sufficient votes to get the Gold Medal, I
would have changed my vote if it would mean he would not had I
stayed with the NO. But since he was going to win anyway, I stuck
with my NO to make a point. I don't know what Bill would have
done. See next message for part 2.
Msg #512 Dated 17:37:47 07-12-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: GOLD MEDAL PART 2
Lance Burton, Part 2.
Following the convention I wrote up my feelings in Genii. Later I
had a great "all-night" talk with Lance (will be in this string
of messages) but.... at first, when he read it he said he wanted
to KILL me. He thought I was full of S**T, etc. etc. Then he re-
read it a week later. Then he started to wonder if I was right. I
had said, "You cannot win with stock stuff, Zombie Balls, etc.
You need Originality!" Then Lance made the big time, working at
the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas. Following a lot of work at the
Magic Castle and the Body Shop, in L.A. (a strip club owned by a
magic enthusiast--who gives work to LOTS of coming magicians).
Some time later Lance entered the FISM (I forge the year) and I
was there. I was a judge. Not on the stage committee, but Card
Magic. (DARYL was the top winner that year. Not because of me,
his work was the best. Ascanio was one of the judges and he
agreed that DARYL had not only performed well, but FOOLED ALL THE
JUDGES with his ambitious card, where the card comes up despite
the deck being wrapped with rope!) Anyway, the expectations were
high, Lance was being talked about by everyone. Usually the
theater is about half full during the contests. Just before Lance
went on the theater started to fill and when he arrived on stage
the theater was PACKED and the audience all abuzz! This was Magic
time!!! I sat there, not having seen him work for some time. I
know he had gotten rid of the zombie ball and thanks to Johnny
Thompson, had developed a small birdcage, with bird in it to
float in its place. However, just preceding Lance was an act with
literally the same premise. Doves, Zombie and even a Lamp Post
for the birds to fly to!!! They were copying him even before he
was big. And to my recollection, this guy had a way better
looking lamp post than Lance. I felt terrible. I thought, well
here he comes and he still has the stock stuff and the lousy
looking hat rack/lamp post!!! (continued next message)
Msg #513 Dated 17:38:55 07-12-90 -> 518
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: GOLD MEDAL 3 (END)
The Rest of The Story! When Lance came out on stage he had a
completely NEW LOOK. Bill Smith had built him a great looking
Lamp Post (it was better looking than the guy ahead of him) and I
thought, within a couple of seconds... IT IS ALL OVER HE IS GOING
TO WIN THE GRAND PRIX, NO PROBLEM. The rest is history. He did
win the Grand Prix. It was a proud moment for me, sitting up on
the stage when the prizes were distributed. (All judges are on
stage to make it look like a big production). And when Lance came
over and shook hands with me, I can't describe the feeling.
So, again, some time later, we visited all night in Las Vegas and
he really sincerely thanked me for being critical in the
beginning. He told me that what I did set him thinking. When he
was doing the act at Evansville he had thought he had taken it to
the limit. It was the greatest and he was the greatest. Luckily
for all of us, he didn't stop growing, he still continues to
think out new things, change, improve, etc.
The dummies are still copying him. But what are they copying?
They are copying something that Lance isn't anymore. He has gone
past that. The copiers don't even see it. Tough. Adios.
Msg #516 Dated 0:03:41 07-13-90 507 <--> 525
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: VAUDEVILLE 2000
I guess I can't say that I have "smuggled" modems into Europe. But I
was carrying one when crossing the French border once (interestingly
enough, I was on the way OUT of France at the time). The customs
inspector saw it and asked me what it was. "C'est un modem," I
replied. Then I decided, OK, let's go for confusion, it could only
help (I saw him thinking about making a "federal case"), so I switched
to English and said, "It is an electronic interface for a computer."
(Did I mention that this was a rather rural spot that hardly ever gets
Americans?) I could see the little wheels turning -- he knew what to
do with cigarettes, and he'd been very interested in some of my
paperwork that had currency figures on it, but did he really want to
spend the rest of the day on the phone to Paris figuring out what the
funny box was? Nope, he decided, and closed my suitcase! Sorta
reminded me of the time two guys were caught at a phone booth near San
Mateo with a "blue box." They told the cop it was a "music
synthesizer." He pressed a couple of buttons and said, "Uh, guys, Moog
has already done it and his is better." And that kept the two guys,
named Wozniak and Jobs, from jail!
I too am interested in seeing what comes out of what was, until
recently, the "Eastern Block." Who knows, someday we might get a logon
to MAGIC!
Msg #518 Dated 0:14:12 07-13-90 513 <--> 521
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOLD MEDAL 3 (END)
Yes, Lance is changing. Perhaps I picked a bad example, but his name
came to mind as a "classic" performer. From your story it sounds like
you were after constructive criticism and that he took that and did
what he should have done. Your story speaks well for both of you.
Naturally, any good performer will grow and change. I was only trying
to make the case that there is a lot of room in magic and that we all
don't need to go in the same direction. I like a lot of the new stuff
and I think it challenges us. But I also like "traditional" magic as
well. I just got home from a classical concert at the Hollywood Bowl.
I consider my tastes in music eclectic and enjoy most everything from
Vivaldi and Buxtehude to country to rock. Maybe magic should be like
music?
Msg #521 Dated 10:32:43 07-13-90 518 <--> 530
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: GOLD MEDAL 3 (END)
No question Classic Magic is here to stay and very very important. A
perfect example was Fanny Tjin. She did the Rice Bowls, Snowstorm in
China, Mutilated Parasol, etc. ALL STOCK ITEMS. All CLASSICS... but it
was the WAY she did it. I just can't stand the young guys coming out on
stage dressed like magicians 40 years ago doing the stuff like a dealer
demonstration. I think we are on the same wave length. Oh, it's ok to
dress like 40 years ago if you are doing a representation of that era.
As did David Charvet on the IBM and of Magic Cruise, when he did - for
historic reasons - Jack Gwynn's act.
Msg #525 Dated 11:29:08 07-13-90 516 <--> 534
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: VAUDEVILLE 2000
It's take a while to get everyone in the Eastern Block up to speed, but
they're hungry for it. Don't hold your breath, but it IS coming.
Msg #527 Dated 19:19:24 07-13-90 -> 537
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
I have a thought. Youngsters in magic really have a hard time
getting much of a break, and of late have not too much
inspiration. However, at St. Louis there were a couple of really
talented lads. Nathan Burton, for one. And one that I really
think has potential, Derek Hughes.So... I have an idea. And I really
want those of you on line here
to use your "R" keys and Reply. Its easy do it. You got to start
replying and/or sending some messages. You may have noticed I am low on
tricks and high on performance
and personality, originality, style, delivery. Tricks are the
easiest part. After all the Gold Medal at the IBM was won with
old standards )) it was style and acting that won it.So... my idea. And
if there is interest I can do it. I want to
have a full evening of magic at the next IBM convention (set for
Baltimore, MD) with Junior magicians.How to do it? One idea I have is
to enlist the services of
several (a lot of them if we can pull it off) of the Magic
Dealers, or maybe even the MDA )) I want local area dealers all
around the country to "sponsor" a performer or group of
performers that can do a really good act. They would pay the
expenses to get the act to the convention. Then, I would have a
special competition for that show presenting a sort of Mini Gold
Medal (that part might be tough politically, but if I have to I
will be the sole judge and make my own award!)Plan B is to get the
interest up there and maybe some one person
who has tons of money and let them bankroll the whole thing.The
important thing would be to screen the acts, and being the
"Dictator" that I am, this would be my job. I woule require all
acts to send in a video tape.One thing about tapes. I do not need to
see a Professionally
produced and edited tape. I would rather see a really bad home
quality tape with the camera in one place, no cuts, no edits...
just a "record" of what the performer is doing.A number of the acts at
recent conventions that I have booked
have said, "I don't have a professional tape" my answer. GREAT, I
only want to see what you do, not how good the tape is.I was burned by
hiring an act that had a great (but heavily
edited) tape. I have learned on that one.So, there is the basic idea.
Anybody have any thoughts?Note: Ren Clark "gave" the IBM Endowment Fund
$100,000 at St.
Loius. Great. But the announcement made was "Ren Clark gave the
IBM $100,000". There is a difference. If it was just to the IBM
we would use it on the shows (HaH) )) SERIOUSLY, it was a great
gesture and the endowment fund is now healthy and can really
start to function.Don't forget, when you read messages, use the "R" key
and send in
an answer or an opionion. It is easy!
Msg #530 Dated 22:45:38 07-13-90 521 <--> 531
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOLD MEDAL 3 (END)
Yes, I think we have gotten to the point of agreement - that good magic
is good magic, regardless of the format. That good magic can be "New
Wave," it can be Vaudeville 2000, AND it can be very classical. That
bad magic can't be any of those things, it can only be bad magic. Bad
magic can make you sick to your stomach and can make you dizzy -- Hmmm,
I feel a song coming on. . . "That old bad magic has me in a spin. . ."
Msg #531 Dated 22:48:57 07-13-90 521 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOLD MEDAL 3 (END)
Sorry, Pete. The Devil made me do that!
Msg #534 Dated 23:01:02 07-13-90 525 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: VAUDEVILLE 2000
My comment on what is happening with the Eastern Block is "The Cold War
is over. McDonald's won." We are in for some interesting times. But
I certainly look forward to meeting and working with our colleagues
in the Eastern Block.
Msg #537 Dated 7:04:11 07-14-90 527 <--> 539
From: BOB SPRAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
Hi.....I think that your idea is great. Give me a while to think
about the logistics though. I am a personal friend of Nathan Burton
we were all thrilled when he was asked to open the first night's show.
I think that Brad Sheppard (little kid that was on the second night's
show) has some potential too once he gets original. I am all in favor
of promoting young magicians. Let's think some more about this.
Thanks for your interest.
.......................................Bob Spray
Msg #539 Dated 10:00:41 07-14-90 537 <--> 540
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
How about my 21-month old? Does anyone know if he has set a new record
for youngest performer?
Msg #540 Dated 10:45:56 07-14-90 537 <--> 541
From: PETE BIRO
To: BOB SPRAY (X)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
Bob. Give me a short bio on yourself, where you are from, age, what
kind of magic do you do - and did you join from getting the flyer at
St. Louis? Thanks for using the BBS.
Msg #541 Dated 10:47:39 07-14-90 539 <--> 546
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
What effect(s) does your child perform? And what kind of wardrobe?
Msg #542 Dated 10:48:16 07-14-90 -> 543
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: NEW EFFECT INVENTED
Here's a concept I created recently for a new close up act I am
building. Two things. 1> I want to record the effect as mine
somewhere. 2> I need some added input from others as to a
possible better method.
Effect: A card is selected (free choice) actually can be face up,
as the secret of the card is not important. Then, you say, "just
so we know there is no other (name card) in the deck, or anywhere
else, I would like you to sign the card." You hand them the pen
and the card and the pen *STICKS TO THE CARD AND CANNOT BE
REMOVED*.
My initial method (still working on it) is to use a Forced Card,
and switch to a card already glued to the pen. Any other ideas?
How about it Busby... anyone else ever done this?
Msg #543 Dated 18:13:18 07-14-90 542 <--> 544
From: AL PORTWOOD
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW EFFECT INVENTED
Pete
As you know I like off beat things (like magic).Great idea.
Are all rights reserved for commercial exploitation?
Have enjoyed immensely the IBM Coverage you have given here. thanks.
Msg #544 Dated 21:09:17 07-14-90 543 <--> 555
From: PETE BIRO
To: AL PORTWOOD (X)
Re: NEW EFFECT INVENTED
Hi Al. Nice to see you on line. No rights as yet as I have not
perfected the method. Will be working on it. Now if we can only get
more mojo men to R and get some controversy going -- or some effect
challenges for members to come up with methods. Adios.
Msg #546 Dated 23:23:33 07-14-90 541 <--> 548
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
My 21-month old does an effect where he has a box with a window on one
side through which the spectator can see that the box is empty. There
is a slot on top of the box. He holds up the box and shows the window
to the spectator(s). He says, "Box. . . Empty." Then he puts the box
down and picks up a coin. He shows it and says, "Money." He inserts
the coin into the slot, holds it for a moment (to let the tension
build, I presume), and then lets it drop into the box. It vanishes, he
holds the box up again and says, "All gone!." He has performed it for
a wide variety of audiences from a 9-month old girl, who clapped and
hugged him (I told him that magic gets the girls) to the officers of
our commercial bank! He hasn't been booked at the Castle yet.
Actually he is looking for suggestions for more effects. At less than
two years old, his slights aren't too good yet, so if anyone has
suggestions, they would be appreciated. As to wardrobe, at the moment
he tends to perform in casual attire, often in Oshkosh B'Gosh bib
overalls, but, if you want him for Baltimore, he has better clothes.
Also, by then he should be close to three years old and doing better
effects. An audition video is available.
Msg #548 Dated 10:42:44 07-15-90 546 <--> 553
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
Ok, will put him on the list to keep an eye on. Also, where do I find
PKUNZIP. I have downloaded from IBMEUROPE libarary a file called
LZEX91.ZIP that some guy "swears" reduces EXE files by nearly 50% so
you can put more files on small drives (laptops like my NEC) and they
operate as in original size. So I guess I need to Unzip it. Did you
leave me a past message about unzipping? Will go back and scan. My
brain memory bank is dying. Bye for now.
Msg #553 Dated 2:48:48 07-17-90 546 <--> 560
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
Bob Farmer's kid -- in Canada -- is about a year old and does
mentalism!!!! I have details on a mental act for toddler's that is
truly bizarre. Got it from Howard Lyons several years ago. And, it
does work. Kinda like training a dog . . .
Msg #555 Dated 2:53:43 07-17-90 542 <--> 557
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW EFFECT INVENTED
Never heard of or seen the effect before. Gee, Pete, I wouldn't force
the card, I'd force the pen . . . with a secret super glue reservoir in
it! :) Some cooperative method inventing can produce some bizarre
stuff. Gaetan and I have worked on a number of things via fax that are
really weird. I know of one he's doing in his new lecture. The way it
works is the effect is posed. Then we both go off and work out
PRACTICAL ways of doing it and compare methods. Always totally
different means of working, but then we get two practical methods,
don't we. In some case I prefer his method; others he prefers mine.
I must confess, I don't care for this as a general way of being
creative, but it does produce odd things that are worthwhile.
Gotta get off. See y'all later.
Msg #557 Dated 10:41:44 07-17-90 555 <--> 571
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: NEW EFFECT INVENTED
If you get time would you send me Gaeton's FAX no. I need to get in
touch with he and Christian Fechner and I know Gaeton sees Fechner
often. The phone numbers never seem to reach anybody in France.
Msg #558 Dated 10:42:43 07-17-90 -> 565
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
Things are rapidly shaping up for a Junior SHOW at next year's
IBM in Baltimore. We have Amy Stevens (Joe's Daughter) willing to
bird dog things... and Harry Blackstone has joined me in working
on some ideas. One thing we think might be worth pursuing is an
East meets West, bringing a few youngsters over from Eastern
Europe and maybe China. A sort of World Gathering of Youth in
magic? Any thoughts, ideas, help, etc. would be greatly
appreciated. Join in, use the "R" command on your computer
following this message!!
Msg #560 Dated 18:25:33 07-17-90 548 <--> 561
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
Greetings from Cocoa Beach,
Florida. Have had a devil of
a time logging on. And there
is a 60% surcharge on calls!
Yes, there was a previous
message about PKUNZIP.EXE. It
is in the file section and
ready for download. Works like
an UNARK. LZH is also supposed
to be good, but PKZIP/UNZIP is
more popular. Regrads.
Msg #561 Dated 18:28:13 07-17-90 553 <--> 575
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
Would like more details on the
mentalism for 1-year olds. Of
course, I'm not certain my kid
isn't already using it on me.
Msg #565 Dated 18:38:21 07-17-90 558 <--> 572
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
Pete - Your "East meets West"
for young magicians sounds
really good. I know the
editors of a magazine for
gifted children and they have
had contacts in Eastern Block.
There was a big meeting for
gifted kids there a few years
ago. Will talk with them,
maybe they can help too.
Msg #571 Dated 21:00:36 07-17-90 542 <--> 577
From: EARL KEYSER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW EFFECT INVENTED
switch for a pen with super glue on it. 5 seconds and it sticks.
surely you can talk for 5 seconds. or have a magnet inderneath and it
only LOOKS glued. then, mysteriously, comes unglued. hmmmmm..
earl
Msg #572 Dated 21:02:18 07-17-90 558 <--> 576
From: EARL KEYSER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
pete - if this really happens, my daughter amy, 14, would very much
like to participate. she does a wicked dancing cane and is working on
the rest of the act we have devised for her.
earl
Msg #575 Dated 23:38:26 07-17-90 560 <--> 586
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
Thanks for going to the trouble. I got PKUNZIP and have to think about
what uses to go for. Stay in touch, but don't waste $
Msg #576 Dated 23:40:07 07-17-90 565 <--> 578
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
Great. Need all the help we can get.
Msg #577 Dated 23:40:52 07-17-90 571 <--> 781
From: PETE BIRO
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: NEW EFFECT INVENTED
Yes... I had thought of the super glue principle and just haven't had
time to find the correct pen to work with. I figure the glue can be in
the cap. Maybe a wooden replacment for the felt tip would do it. Again,
thanks.
Msg #578 Dated 23:42:08 07-17-90 572 <--> 590
From: PETE BIRO
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
Main thing to work on is presentation and style. The "gal" that won the
Gold Medal at the IBM did it 99% on her acting/presentation/wardrobe.
The main thing was the Audience fell in love with her.
Msg #585 Dated 8:27:11 07-19-90 -> 605
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: GENII
Just got my Genii and noted a very nice mention of this forum. Those of
you that are new here... try the "Q" command and select a message
number to start reading at least 20-30 numbers back. This will give
you an idea of what subjects are in the files. And the most important
command is "R" to reply to a given message. Get in on it. Even if you
just are answering to say thanks, or agree. Or better yet DISAGREE. The
main function here is communications -- and that means TWO WAY.
Msg #586 Dated 18:11:09 07-19-90 540 <--> 588
From: BOB SPRAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
Dear Pete,
I am a 42 year old white male living in Ft. Smith, Arkansas. I am
a clinical psychologist and part time magician. I do mainly standup
comedy magic and on occasion gospel magic in churches. I have a Ph.D.
in clinical psychology and am in private practice. I did my first
magic show when I was in the 3rd grade, but did not do any magic for $
until I was out of grad school. I have been active in the Little Rock
and Ft. Smith IBM Rings. I DID join this service as a result of the
flyer at the St. Louis convention.....THANKS!!! this will be lots of
fun AND infformative!.......anything else you want to know, just ask!
.....................................Bob Spray
Msg #588 Dated 18:53:09 07-19-90 586 <--> 783
From: PETE BIRO
To: BOB SPRAY (X)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
Good to hear from you Bob. I just hope we can get some good discussions
going here. I don't know if you use any other BBS, but I am on
Compuserve every day, mainly checking on the auto racing forum and the
photographers forum. Boy, they get some really hot discussions going
and it gets pretty wild. They must have 40 or 50 "regulars" writing
comments all the time. I know magic is limited, and most magicians only
have magic as the hobby and aren't into computers. I have just gotten
a new laptop (using now). A NEC UltraLite and will be taking it with me
for the next 3 days to a photo job in Los Angeles. I live 3 hours North
of San Francisco, on the Coast Hiway (120 miles of crooked roads).
Stay tuned, and thanks!
Msg #590 Dated 19:34:30 07-19-90 576 <--> 616
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
OK, will contact the editors of
Creative Kids and GCT (the
publication for parents of
gifted children) once I return
to L.A. I think they will be
able to help.
Msg #605 Dated 11:48:04 07-22-90 585 <--> 617
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENII
OK, Pete - here's my opinion... I would hope a junior show wouldn't
mean another couple of hours of birds and cards done by young guys in
tuxedos. My favorite type of magic is sleight of hand and
manipulation, but it seems so over done at some of these conventions.
I would hope all those local clubs out there could be progressive
enough to not all sponsor the next Cardini. I got a big kick out of
Nathan Burton - his act was rough in spots but what fun to see someome
really think. Since, to my understanding, you have the last word on
who appears and since, to my understanding, you chose to have Nathan
appear - I'm guessing we could potentially see something beyond the
"usual"...
Msg #606 Dated 12:16:47 07-22-90 -> 618
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: ALL
Re: CONVENTION SHOWS
Last night I saw the final evenings public show at the JUGGLERS
convention - what a show!! Granted, I see a lot less of jugglers than
I do of magicians, BUT I thought it was a terrific show. What made it
great was that each act did no more than about five minutes of their
best material and that the producer of the show picked for the most
part really progressive performers. The acts presented quite different
material from each other. The short spot format really kept the energy
level high. For MC they used a local weatherman/comic who didn't
juggle and he did a good job of keeping the show together. The final
act was Chris Cremo, a superstar in juggling who did more traditional
juggling but with incredible skill. He, of course, had the star turn
and did a longer spot.
The key point here, I think, is the short spot format. If there was an
act that wasn`t as liked, it was off fairly fast. I would imagine that
in juggling, as in magic, the audience was familiar with most of these
performers. So they got the high spots - not an entire act they may
have tired of. And, of course, most of the acts went by the rule of
"leave them wanting more."! It was a great show!!
Msg #616 Dated 22:24:09 07-22-90 590 <--> 782
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
Pete, I had a couple of thoughts on the Junior Magi and wanted to add
them to the list.
1) Maybe there should be a certificate or award just for being
a part of the show as well as prize levels? This might help
to serve as reinforcement.
2) Maybe there should be different criteria for the Junior
Magicians? Something more dependent upon talent or "promise"
than on the quality of the show they do at the Convention?
Msg #617 Dated 23:30:02 07-22-90 605 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: GENII
Thanks for your interest. You bet UNUSUAL. Although it is too soon to
know if we can even implement my thinking "officially" with the IBM at
the Board level, I could always just hire the acts I want. But I really
want this to be something special. I have been chatting with many of my
trusted friends for ideas and have some really exciting possibilites.
This morning had a long visit with Mike Caveney. He tells me Stan is
going to do a piece on "What did you like most about the convention
(both IBM and sam) and what did you like least?" Good Idea. Here's my
answers (altho not asked and its ok if not used...but it is from the
inside) I liked most: IBM -- The fact that we were able to bring to the
attendees more acts that they had never seen before, especially the
variety of acts. What did I like least: The COST in producing a top
flite convention. The theater rentals and the UNIONS, not just the stge
hands, but the ushers, nurses, security guards, equipment rentals, cost
more (and no one sees these things) than our entire talent budget of
just a couple of years ago! And the IBM has maintained the "low" $60
registration through all of this. I could really go on, but then that
would be writing a full review and that's not what Stan wants. Be in
touch!
Msg #618 Dated 23:37:20 07-22-90 606 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: CONVENTION SHOWS
I was in town, knew about the show, but was working and had to miss it.
I used to do a juggling act and was "dieing to see it". Can't win 'em
all!
Msg #630 Dated 21:53:35 07-23-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "HELLO"
Pete, the following message was inadvertently sent to the Sysop and
I've been asked to redirect it to you. Since the "From" will now be
me, you may wish to reply by entering a message to Dave Magnenat.
Msg #622-0 Personal Mail* Dated 7:20:14 07-23-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: SYSOP
Re: HELLO
What a pleasant surprise to see your name on the Forum! I am glad
to make your acquaintance, after reading so many of your columns in
GENII. I've downloaded the whole message base just to catch up, but
I had to leave you a message so I could tell my friends I typed at
the "reel" Peter Biro! (How's that for bootlicking? *:->)
I have one question: do Genni and others pay for new variations on
old tricks that they publish, and do they recognize an idea that's NOT
new? I think I have come up with a variation on the "Erasable Aces"
effect by Paul Harris, but I don't know if it's truly original (I don't
have the GENII issue that it's from...I've learned it second hand). I
fancy myself an author, you see, and I was wondering if there's any
" percentage in it", as they say in Brooklyn.
Thanks!
Dave Magnenat
Msg #635 Dated 23:03:22 07-23-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: GENII $
Dave: Thanks for you nice words. I don't know if Genii pays for
contributions or not. Dante Larsen has taken over and he reads messages
here (I am not sure how often, though) and you could ask him directly.
In addition, to find out if a move or effect is original I have one
person that is the PERFECT source checker. Jeff Busby. He is online
also and if you ask him (you can send a P)rivate message. He knows more
about who did what and what is new than almost anybody. The one other
on line you could check with is Max Maven. He is very knowledgable as
well. Between the two of them you should be able to find out. Good
luck. P. Biro
Msg #642 Dated 15:28:18 07-24-90 -> 1001
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BOOKS
Max,
I've just finished your two latest books, Doth and Fith. They are
great. I'm already using Bonsai Prediction and Schizod Rosary and
getting great reactions. Can you tell me which of your other books are
still available (especially the color series)? Thanks in advance.
Charlie
Msg #645 Dated 21:07:19 07-24-90 -> 650
From: NARAYANAN VIJAYKUMAR
To: ALL
Re: CARD FORCES, MAGIC LESSON
This is my first message on MAGIC! and I am pretty excited. I call
myself a serious amatuer magician. I do not perform regularly in front
of an audience (though I have done this a couple of times) but mainly
entertain friends etc. I have briefly gone through all the older
messages and I thought I might share some of my ideas.
My favorite card force is one I read about in the first book I read on
magic - note the top card of the deck, shuffle keeping top card the
same, now mumble something about 'fair choice etc..' and cover deck
with a handkerchief (secretly reverse the deck while you do this), have
the deck cut 'anywhere' while you have deck on your palm, grab top
portion with handkerchief and bring out bottom portion (secretly
reversing it). If you have done this right the original top card will
be on top of the bottom pile. Let spectator look at the card he/she cut
to....Of course you have to reverse the pile in the handkerchief too
but this is real easy while the card is being noted.
Actually on of my favorite tricks starts like this. I force 4 diamonds
using this force and a special white handkerchief. I have card noted
and placed in a card box (cheap black plastic with a flap). I cover
this again with the white hanky (while turning box). Patter a bit, pick
up your wand and tap the package four times. Slowly open handkerchief
and reveal the 4 of diamonds painted on it. Slowly open card box and
out comes a 4 diamonds with all the diamonds cut off !! I am sure you
guys figured this out but my audience goes crazy !!
Like I said I am a serious amatuer who is largely self taught from
books etc. Does anyone know if taking magic lessons helps? Are there
any good teachers/courses in the LA area? How much do they cost? I
would like to get more invloved with other magicians, especially ones
like me. Are there any local clubs, societies ? Looking forward to
hearing from you all. I would really like to thank guys who run this
service - I think it is great!
Msg #649 Dated 23:46:57 07-24-90 -> 653
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
Pete, I spoke to the publishers of Creative Kids today. They
will be glad to run information about the Junior Magicians
Contest/Show in their publication. Right now, their October
issue is finished, but if you had some copy ready for them soon
it could run in the November and December issues. They agreed
to run an announcement in either every issue or every other
issue. The November issue is the "International Issue" that
covers gifted children around the World. I told them that you
would be in touch. The editor is Fay Gold and she can be
reached at G/C/T Publications, P.O. Box 6448, Mobile, Alabama
36660. The telephone number is (205) 478-4700.
They also mentioned that the convention for gifted children,
KidsCon, will be held at the Disneyland Hotel in Anneheim in
September and that there will be an East Coast KidsCon in or
near Disneyworld in January or February. They are going to
check the program, as they think there is a magic session, and
let me know more.
You know, if we could get IBM, MDA, the G/C/T people, and a few
others all going in the same direction, this idea of yours could
really turn into something great!
Msg #650 Dated 23:48:19 07-24-90 645 <--> 651
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: NARAYANAN VIJAYKUMAR (X)
Re: CARD FORCES, MAGIC LESSON
Thanks for the interesting card force and the description of the effect
you use it in.
I, for one, think that there is value in taking lessons from a live
instructor. It is a technique that allows you to watch and practice
sleights with someone who can tell you what you are doing right or
wrong. Of course, books and video tapes are also good sources, but
live training can be very powerful. One of the most organized teachers
in the area is Jim Kahlert. His phone number is (213) 472-3770 and he
can supply you with info on his courses, fees, starting dates, etc.
Msg #651 Dated 9:22:08 07-25-90 645 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: NARAYANAN VIJAYKUMAR (X)
Re: CARD FORCES, MAGIC LESSON
Serious interest is the most important factor. Have you gone to the
Magic Castle? There are hundreds like you there. They are not all big
time serious Pro's. Also, check with the guys behind the counter at
Hollywood magic. They are usually good magicians supplementing their
performing income. Good luck, keep reading and keep practicing.
Msg #653 Dated 9:27:25 07-25-90 649 <--> 656
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
Will pass this msg on to the big guys at the IBM.
Msg #656 Dated 14:25:57 07-25-90 653 <--> 658
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
OK. If I can be of any help to the project, just let me know.
Msg #658 Dated 18:37:17 07-25-90 656 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
ok... it is a hair early to make any final decisions. I am waiting for
the rest of our committee in the IBM to "like" the idea all the way.
Then can move. Sounds like the bar code might be too much work? I have
about 12 filing cabinet drawers full of "unsorted" slides. Some in 20
sheet holders, some still in boxes, others Loose!!! Yech... Probably
should burn em.
Msg #664 Dated 0:32:45 07-26-90 -> 785
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: BOOKS!
Somebody was talking about books the other day (well, earlier in the
base). I'm glad to see Max Maven mention "Royal Road To Card
Magic"...I learned nearly everything I know from that book (I don't
know 10 percent of what's in that book yet!)
Somebody once told me that if you have a copy of Royal Road, Expert
Card Techniques, and BoBo's coins, you're all set. Oh, and Erdnase.
Does anyone else find Erdnase difficult to get through? And from all of
you HIP california magicians, can you recommend any new classics? Like
maybe David Roth's coin book? What about Marlo W/O Tears?
Dave Magnenat
Msg #665 Dated 0:35:50 07-26-90 -> 673
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: ERDNASE
Jeff,
Do you have any more of the Thaumaturgist issue on Erdnase? I just
downloaded the whole message base and found the mention. I have the
address and will send my 2 bux if there are any left.
I'm probably the only one here who's never read your magazine, BTW, but
I - hope to remedy that situation shortly!
Dave Magnenat
Msg #666 Dated 0:37:57 07-26-90 -> 672
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: YOUNGEST MAGI RECORD
I think I may have a record-setting child to throw into the
competition. I lay a half dollar on my wife's stomach and the baby
kicks it on command! Does that qualify as a "Hopping Half"? The kid's
due the end of - October, BTW. Then I'll have to find a new act!
Dave Magnenat
P.S. (I am no longer calling myself Doc, being sufficiently humbled by
the plethora of talent evident on this board. Yes, I used 'plethora'
in a sentence.)
Msg #667 Dated 0:40:21 07-26-90 -> 670
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: PRIZE?
Since I just entered message number 666, do I get a special MAGIC!
No-Prize?
Dave Magnenat
Msg #668 Dated 0:41:08 07-26-90 -> 669
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: SEATTLE MAGIC?
I live across the bay from Seattle and I need some help. Do any of you
folks know of a magic or magic-featuring nightclub (or other
establishment) in the Seattle area? I am starving for magic up
here...you guys talking about the Castle like it's just down the block
make me green with envy!
Thanks for any help.
Dave Magnenat
Msg #669 Dated 8:51:45 07-26-90 668 <--> 676
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: SEATTLE MAGIC?
I was in Seattle not too long ago and couldn't believe how bad the
traffic was on the freeway N/S! I thought L.A. was bad. That's why
Imoved 600 miles North! Harry Anderson, well-known magician and staar
of TV's Night Court has *JUST* moved to Seattle. Maybe he will open a
club or work a club up there to keep in shape? You might check to see
if there are any Comedy Clubs that use magic acats to supplement the
comics. It might sound like the Castle is "Just down the block" but
even when I lived in "LA" I seldom got there because the traffic
pattern made it more than a one hour trip. And by the time you spend
the evening there, have a couple of drinks, etc. it was really tough to
make it home without falling asleep at the wheel.
Msg #670 Dated 11:44:38 07-26-90 667 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: PRIZE?
Interesting! Now if you lived in England and could PROVE that your
car, with 666 in the license number, had been malicious, you could get
a new plate assigned. As to a prize from MAGIC!, well, sorry, but
prizes are not available at this time. Hmmmm, why is your message
number 666 fading from the screen?. . .
Msg #672 Dated 11:58:04 07-26-90 666 <--> 818
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: YOUNGEST MAGI RECORD
Kicks it ON COMMAND?!?? That IS pretty interesting! Do you have an
audition video? I can just see you convincing the hospital to do an
ultrasound of that one! And, of course, the kid's act does have a
short performance span.
My 22-month old is working on a new effect. It uses a plastic "Pepsi"
bottle that is a sort-of self contained Lota Bowl. The bottle appears
full, he picks it up and inverts it and all of the "Pepsi" pours into
an obviously too small area in the neck. With his hand covering this
area, it appears to have disappeared completely. He then shouts "All
Gone!" We're trying to work out the finish. So far, his rather
dissapointing idea is to turn the bottle right side up again, which
makes it appear to have refilled, and to shout "Wow!" While it is
"interesting" to see the "Pepsi" reappear, I think it rather diminishes
the effect. We need a better close for this one.
Msg #673 Dated 13:51:54 07-26-90 665 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: ERDNASE
Dear David,
The issue is out of print again, but I think I could rustle you up an
office copy. If you send us $2.00 I'll send you other stuff of
interest. You seem to be in the middle of Hades country -- they offer
a big selection of material to choose from. We tend to offer the
offbeat. Hope that I can help. Pretty busy now, so won't be able to
respond in a timely way to on-line stuff during the next few weeks.
Thanks for your interest. Best, Jeff Busby
Msg #676 Dated 20:10:45 07-26-90 668 <-
From: JOHN GRANTHAM
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: SEATTLE MAGIC?
David, I tried to send you mail last week but I was not yet up to speed
on this board. Between that, work and a general ineptness in particular
I have been lax in trying again. It sounds as if you and I are about at
the same level of both enthusiasm and experience. I read "Royal
Road..." about 25 years ago as a young kid who had just gotten my first
magic kit. I had forgotten all about it until a trip to a local magic
shop suggested that no beginning magician be without it. They were
right. The other titles you listed are equally good. I made the mistake
of buying a lot of card tricks that used gaffed decks. It was great for
doing a trick without much technical knowledge but also impractical to
carry around 12 decks of cards. I have since regrouped and for the most
part only use a "regular deck of cards".
Talk to you later....John Grantham
Msg #678 Dated 22:08:47 07-26-90 -> 680
From: RON BIEBER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM DAY ONE
THANK YOU, for the great coverage of the convention! It was the next
best thing to being there.
I know that Desert magic is sponsered by Joe Stevens, but I wish that
there were dealers with their wares at Desert magic in quantity like at
the IBM's. What do you think? How about some competition?
Thanks again,
Ron
Msg #680 Dated 22:36:36 07-26-90 678 <--> 786
From: PETE BIRO
To: RON BIEBER (X)
Re: IBM DAY ONE
My suggestion is to write to Stevens Magic Emporium. Address is in all
the magazines and suggest he allow other dealers. You have to remember
Joe does all the financing of his events and part of the way he gets a
return on his money is by being the Main Dealer. I know he has had a
few special others with products, but mainly he keeps it to his own
line of stuff. Which is OK, it is his event. Frankly, I have another
opinion of what the dealers at a major convention should be. I do not
think that if you own a magic shop you should be a dealer at a
convention. I firmly believe that only manufacturers, publishers, etc.
those that are distributors, etc. be displaying. Then, those that have
magic shops can coe, see what new stuff is being manufactured and order
the stuff from the makers and distributors. When there are 30 or 40
dealers that just have shops at the major conventions, no one there
really does GREAT business. Too many have the same old stuff. What do
you think? What does anyone else think?
Msg #689 Dated 21:58:20 07-27-90 -> 691
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: ALL
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
Just found some time to catch up on all I missed. I have yet to master
this system of communication. Actually this was for, in some part Pete
Biro, Pete, Fantastic review for the I.B.M When I figure out how to
Download I'd love to "get a copy" Your idea for a junior magi/I.B.M.
sounds great and I'm sure the Castle would love to sponsor their" best"
If you have not done so I can pass the message to Bob Dorian who's in
charge of the Junior program. When and if it's a go ahead please send
some press (For now, by U.S. post) and I will happily put it in Genii.
If done in a most creative way the kids could just hound their local
club for a sponsor. Up and coming bring a lot of business to a shop
they could threaten a "buyers strike" or give some great publicity for
a sponsor. All for now. Last issue just went to the printers and it's
really been time consuming. It'll be a special issue onMagics first
cultural exchange with Russia and should be of interest to those of you
"chatting" about magic in the Eastern Bloc Countries. Dave Magnenat, At
the time we don't have the funds to pay for effects but I'm sure Paul
Harris wouldn't mind, considering he got credit, for your variation on
his effect And your version would be forever in print, for generations
to come, copyrighted no less. David, Did you ever find a worthwile
magic kit for the little one?.....Later,
Dante...................................................................
....
Msg #691 Dated 22:57:18 07-27-90 689 <--> 694
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
Dante! Good to see you back on here! And thanks very much for the
complete article on MAGIC! in the recent Genii. A number of new magi
are signing on daily as a result of the publicity. And more seem to be
entering into the public conversations too.
Thanks too for your kudos to Pete. I think he did a heck of a job on
the instant I.B.M. Convention coverage.
I haven't found a magic kit for our 22-month old yet, but based on your
suggestion I did switch him from cards to coins and he is doing much
better. He does the coin vanish that was in a previous message and is
now working on a new effect using a "Pepsi bottle" that is a sort of
self-contained Lota. We're still trying to figure out what to do with
the bottle after he inverts it and vanishes the "Pepsi" though. Right
now he keeps turning it back over and pointing out that the "Pepsi" is
back. Personally, I think it is a disappointing ending, but he likes
it.
Msg #694 Dated 23:35:34 07-27-90 689 <--> 787
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
If you need help, Dante, call David L (SYSOP) and he can talk you
through this BBS. It only takes a few runs to get good at it. What
Telcom Software do you use? If you use Procomm, you can have it set to
print what you read so you can go over it in detail. Re: Junior
magicians, I have to do some lobbying with the Brass of the IBM in the
near future to get it all sorted out. Will keep you in touch and hope
you can help. I think it will be GREAT! Later, p.b.
Msg #705 Dated 9:55:47 07-29-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: PRIVATE MESSAGES
I notice that there are a large number of "Private" messages that are
being left on this system. Many of these messages could concern topics
that would be of interest to other users. But, because they are
"Private," they can't be read or replied to by others. MAGIC! allows
for three basic kinds of messages:
Public messages addressed to "ALL." These are messages that can be
read and replied to by any MAGIC! user. They are the ones that
appear in the "Messages that may interest you" numbers when you
first logon, but are not followed by an exclaimation point (!)
indicating that they are addressed specifically to you.
Public messages addressed to a specific individual. These are also
messages that can be read and replied to by any MAGIC! user but
they are addressed to a specific individual. Messages of this
type may include questions which could be answered by that
specific individual, but might also be of interest to others.
Others might also be able to contribute to, and enrich, the
conversation.
"Private" messages addressed to a specific individual. These are
messages which can only be read by the person who sent them,
the individual who they are addressed to, and the sysops. They
are most useful for information that the individuals do not want
disclosed to other MAGIC! users.
Might I suggest that you consider making most messages Public unless
the information in them is such that you specifically do not wish
other users to be able to read or reply? When entering a new message,
you are asked if it is "Private (Yes, No)" and NO is the default
option. Even if you are addressing your message to a specific
individual, you can select NO (for NOT "PRIVATE") by simply pressing
the ENTER key at that point. You may be pleased to discover that
others may have an interest in your topic.
Msg #710 Dated 20:53:18 07-29-90 -> 712
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MEMBERS
Pete:
You're flipping me out. Reel Works was (is) was the first thing I
read in Genii each month since 79 or 80 or so. You might remember
me since you mentioned me a couple of times in the column in the
early days. I just wrote editor Bill asking where Pete Biro was.
Now I know. You'll be hearing from me.
Tabby Crabb
Msg #712 Dated 22:30:41 07-29-90 710 <--> 718
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MEMBERS
Oh, I bet you read the cover first! Seriously, I do miss the column in
Genii. Maybe that will change. HOever, there is less pressure and it is
more fun on here. AS soon as I get some things at home sorted out (just
moved 600 miles and moving again in few weeks) been building a house
and it has taken toooooooooooo looooooooooooong..... All my magic stuff
has been instorage for over a year. Anyway, jkeep in tuch
Msg #718 Dated 7:37:04 07-30-90 712 <--> 720
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MEMBERS
I used to move a lot (I'm in the Wash DC area) when I was on the road
Like every day or so. I do miss the column, but think the magazine is
looking good with Dante at the helm. The last two issues have been
dynamite. I must admit that the last few issues have found me checking
for the Reel Works and being a little sad that it wasn't included. So
you can imagine how glad I was to see you on this BBS.
The last few years have found me in entertainment management rather
than being an entertainer. I'm happier behind the scenes and get to
work with people much more talented than I ever hoped (well maybe
I hoped).
Keep up the good work. TC
Msg #720 Dated 11:25:45 07-30-90 718 <--> 727
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MEMBERS
What kind of people/acts to you manage? I am always booking acts for
the IBM and our next one is in Baltimore. For St. Louis we worked with
Tobias Beckwith of N.Y. city. Let me know. Regards, Pete
Msg #725 Dated 17:39:40 07-30-90 -> 729
From: LOGAN HALE
To: ALL
Re: PEN PAL
My name is Logan Hale and I am 13 years old. I'm trying to find someone
to talk about magic with(preferably a teenager).
Msg #727 Dated 19:59:40 07-30-90 720 <--> 788
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MEMBERS
Hard Rock and Country music, though I help Becky Blaney from time
to time - but I know you're friends with Walter (me too). Rock band
Quade is starting to use illusion in their act (my fault) but not
enough to warrant the Balto IBM gig - so you're safe. I'm familiar with
Tobias Beckwith and know he works with some avantgarde magical
entertainment. I was at the Castle with Bill Smith last Feb and saw
Nicholas (K)Night. Thought he was good and "on the edge".
Come see us. Tabby
By the way, we have a nice recording studio here on the estate, so
if you need any special music let me know. Magic is basically my
avocation and primary mental interest. I have been building a
library of conjuring and variety arts related books over the past
few years and really like magic people and like to help any way
I can. Best wishes ....
Msg #729 Dated 21:53:30 07-30-90 725 <--> 859
From: PETE BIRO
To: LOGAN HALE (X)
Re: PEN PAL
Hi Logan. What kind of computer do you use? Is it your own? What
software? Also, to get pen pals to reply, it is a good idea to ask
questions. I am not a teen ager, but my brain is... so fire away with
questions. Don't forget to answer mine. You know just enter "R" aftaer
after you read a message to Reply. Welcome aboard.
Msg #730 Dated 23:15:27 07-30-90 -> 737
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: ALL
Re: K
Tabby Crabb Your not the only one wh was more than happy to find Reel
Works still enlightening (no speller checker obviously) o us. I'm
curious what Bill said. All of a sudden with the departure of Conjuring
Omnibus I think Bill had some sort of plan to catch up so the idea was
to stop all columns. This by the way was against the wishes of Heidi
and I but the desire to "catch-up" was getting to him. I'm still
trying to figure out the "method to the madness" or some witty quote
like that. Pete, James Brandon is at the Castle this week so I'm off
via your wholehearted endorsement. We have a mac by the way with the
Microphone program but Milt has the book so this is as far as I've
gotten so far. Will be going to Baltimore, home of John Waters and
Johnny Eck who I've heard started out as a magicians assistant doing a
unique version of the sawing way back (Johnny Eck, famous for having
only a half torso). later.---------------------------------------------
Msg #736 Dated 11:07:56 07-31-90 -> 747
From: STEVE BURKE
To: ALL
Re: LOCK PICKING
Hello.
I have just become familiar with the MAGIC! BBS. I think it is a great
idea. I am interested in finding out more about lock picking. I would
like to include some type of escape effect in my repertoire which now
consists mainly of close-up material. If anyone has any
reccommendations on what books or materials would be helpful please let
me know. Thanks.
Msg #737 Dated 13:39:08 07-31-90 730 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: K
Dante, I think you'll be the greatest editor of Genii so far. Bill
has been great just in stickativity, and for giving so many talented
people a forum. During the early years, before computers, etc, etc,
putting out a quality magazine must have been rough. Anyway, I'm a fan.
I'mm 44 and started reading Genii when I was 11. When I wsa on the road
with the Urban Cowboy Band I always carried several issues of Genii in
my gig bag. I'd read them over and over on the bus until I got to
a city with a good magic shop and I'd bribe some girl to take me by
in the morning if there was time before we'd roll out of town.
I don't know who exactly laid out the Ben Harris issue, but it was
really quite good. Hang in there. It looks like I might be in Hollywood
for a week in September with Mike Fath at the Roxy around the 13 or 14
so you can best beleive I'll be at the Castle a couple of nights
anyway. Peace, TC
Msg #744 Dated 23:55:32 07-31-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: USING MAGIC!
Thanks to the article about MAGIC! that appeared in Genii, and
to the other articles that are begining to appear, we have a lot
of new users. Here is a tip on how to read messages quickly and
easily.
>From the Main Menu:
Type R;* and press That's the letter R followed by a
the ENTER key. semi-colon (;) followed by an
asterisk (*). Then press the
ENTER key. You will immediately
see the first new message after the
last message you read the last time
you were on MAGIC! After each
message you will be presented with
a menu. You can use this menu to
Reply to a message. If you just
want to go on to the next message,
just press the ENTER key.
Messages will be presented in
SUBJECT order. That means that
you will see all of the messages
that have the same subject,
followed by all of the messages on
the next subject, etc.
Msg #747 Dated 6:12:48 08-01-90 736 <--> 751
From: JOHN GRANTHAM
To: STEVE BURKE (X)
Re: LOCK PICKING
Hey Steve.
I'm sure that you can find books on the subjectat magic shops but I
found that some great literature on the subject (by the way, for other
readers this is in reference to lock picking...) can be picked up
(pardon the pun) at "survival book stores": You know the places that
sell supplies to fend off the end of the world etc. If you look you can
usually find some booklets featuring
a variety of subjects that can be tailored for use by magicians. I hope
this can be of some help to you....John Grantham.
Msg #750 Dated 17:44:16 08-01-90
From: CHRIS FLEMING
To: ALL
Re: JOHN BOOTH
My name is Chris Fleming. I am very interested in the writings of John
Booth. Having been his Mailman for the past three years, i've become
fasinated with his contributions to the art of magic. I would love to
hear from any magicians out there who have read any of his books,
comments critisisms etc.. especially about his writings on Erdnase.
Msg #751 Dated 17:55:30 08-01-90 747 <--> 813
From: STEVE BURKE
To: JOHN GRANTHAM (X)
Re: LOCK PICKING
-John. Thank you for your input. I will follow your suggestion. I'm
sure there are plenty of survival shops here in Los Angeles. Although,
usually when I think of survival in Los Angeles it simply means staying
alive. Thanks again for your help. I hope I can return the favor.
See ya.
Msg #752 Dated 20:34:59 08-01-90 -> 754
From: JON LUCKE
To: ALL
Re: MYSTERY MAGICIAN
Hello,
My name is Jon Lucke, I live in the Washington DC area, and have
just recently logged on to MAGIC!
I would like to find out the name of a magician who performed in
the San Franciso bay area during the late fifties. He was one of
the first live magic acts that I had ever seen, and he really
impressed me because his act was primarily manipulative. For the
life of me, I cannot remember his name.
He performed at the Alameda County Fair in Pleasanton during the
summer of 1957 or 1958. The only name that comes to mind is "The
Great Marco", but I don't believe that name is correct. His act
was fairly standard. It started with cigarette productions.
Other things he included in his act were the six card repeat, a
cut and restored rope, the chinese sticks and card fan
productions. One bit of business he did during his card
manipulations was a story about a one armed man. He would do
Charlier passes with both hands and say "Then the one handed man
cut both decks of cards like this. You've got to admit that
that's pretty good for a one handed man."
He was somewhat stocky and had black hair. I read in the Tribune
that he was also performing at Bimbo's 365 Club in San Francisco.
The fact that he really impressed me and I can't remember his
name is one of the continuing irritants in my life. If anyone
could provide me with any leads as to what his name may be, I
would really appreciate it.
Also, I'll be heading to the Abbott's Get Together next week. I
would appreciate any information on what to expect and look for.
Thank you -- Jon
Msg #753 Dated 21:31:22 08-01-90 -> 803
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: ALL
Re: QUESTION
I have a question, obviously. I was curious if "Dr Magic" whom I just
read in Reel Works #1 on MAGIC! (message # 90 or
95?) Message # 90 or 95 was the same as Dr. Doom who puts out a catalog
from Mystery Castle. I just ordered "Geek Magic" by Dr. Doom and a
reference was made to Dr. Magic. I missed the show in Boston and just
heard from one or two people about it (sucked comes to mind). Curiosity
to be answered. Pete Biro, looking forward to the next Reel Works.Saw
James Brandon. What a unique show. Were probably going to go back later
in the week when things get more comfortable. Saw first show of the
week which is always a no no.The ladies sure liked him though, Suzanne
could of watched him play one spoon and still go ga ga. Has anyone
heard of a quality "Magic Set" aimed at youngsters. Not those plastic
Houdini Magic jobbies? Finally, I was just wondering why I never heard
of Mystery Castle until I saw an ad for the catalog in an
"un-commercial" non-magic zine? aside from the fact that thats where
easy targets happen to be (like me). later,
dante................................................................
Msg #754 Dated 0:06:36 08-02-90 752 <--> 932
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: MYSTERY MAGICIAN
Hi Jon,
I can't help you with the "Mystery magi" but I live near DC also
and wanted to say "hey". I'm in So. Maryland for the time being..
time being what it is. Later, TC
Msg #769 Dated 0:06:01 08-03-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRAD ELMORE (X)
Re: PKZIP
A number of people, Jerrad included, have been reading the system
bulletins and asking about the PKZIP file (Bulletin #4 - Zip Saves You
Time and Money). The bulletin was originally written for general
system users in February of 1989. At the present time we are not using
Zip for files in MAGIC! because of the number of users that have
neither IBM nor Amiga computers (like users with MacIntosh computers) and for
whom, so far as we know, a version of Zip is not available. We will be
looking into a suitable file compressesion system for MAGIC! in the
near future and will keep you informed.
Msg #777 Dated 22:54:45 08-03-90
From: JON LUCKE
To: CHRIS FLEMING (X)
Re: JOHN BOOTH
You're right when you said that John Booth is an interesting
person. He's been a minister, magician, world traveler and
lecturer.
With regard to Erdnase (Andrews) I believe his most thorough
writings on the man is included in Booth's recent book Dramatic
Magic. If you are cheap like I am, you might check with your
library to see if it has a copy. If they don't, you might ask
them to do an OCLC computer search for the book and get it for
you through interlibrary loans. Some libraries charge for this
service, others don't. Hopefully yours doesn't charge more than
a minimal fee. You might also have them check for other books by
Dr. Booth while they're at it. As you know, he's written a
number of books.
Also, if you're interested in Dr. Booth as a person, and his
views on magic, you might want to read his series "Memoirs of a
Magician's Ghost" in the Linking Ring, which is the magazine of
the International Brotherhood of magicians. Dr Eugene Gloye of
Whittier and Joe Selph of Los Angeles, who are presidents of
local IBM clubs (Rings) in the LA area, might give you some clues
on how you might get access to these articles if you don't have
them already.
Good luck hunting -- Jon
Msg #778 Dated 23:19:04 08-03-90 -> 789
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: ALL
Re: VIDEO OR TAPE OF AL FLOSS
Does anyone have or know of a video or film of Al Flosso performing
his Misers Dream? I grew up in NY, spent most saturdays as a teenager
at Al's Shop and would like to add a copy of his act to my video
collection. If anyone knows of such history, please reply and we can
work a deal. It would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance.
Msg #781 Dated 11:56:47 08-04-90 577 <--> 799
From: EARL KEYSER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW EFFECT INVENTED
pete - you cold maybe have one hole as an air hole and another in the
pen (metal and hoolow) for glue. only when you unplug the first hole
does the second hole allow the glue to escape. but, you could also
glue the sucker to your fingers by accident. maybe the pencil point
(simulated) could act like a syringe needle and dispense the glue. or
the whole upper barrel of a ballpoint could be a fancy glue dispenser,
since you could cut the real ink cartridge quite short. hmmmm..
earl
Msg #782 Dated 11:59:59 08-04-90 578 <-
From: EARL KEYSER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
yes, jade sold JADE, not the tricks. i very much agree. and that is
what amy is working on. thanks for the confirmation of my intuition.
earl
Msg #783 Dated 12:01:39 08-04-90 586 <-
From: EARL KEYSER
To: BOB SPRAY (X)
Re: PROMOTE JUNIOR MAGICIANS!
hi, bob. i'm a 47 year old white male. (who cares?) mainly a
mentalist, but can do a faro shuffle, too. glad you have joined up.
earl keyser
Msg #785 Dated 12:12:47 08-04-90 664 <-
From: EARL KEYSER
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: BOOKS!
for what it's worth - all of karl fulves books from dover and many of
bill severn's books contain some terrific, unusual magic. but,
remember, collecting tricks is a vice, performaing magic is a virtue.
earl
Msg #786 Dated 12:18:14 08-04-90 680 <--> 1166
From: EARL KEYSER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM DAY ONE
well, i loved the competition between the dealers and the whining about
having to compete. some of these clowns are so used to an absolute
monopoly that they don't understand goold old american competition.
.
i'm not trying to be uncharitable, but $2.50 for a deck of bicycle
cards when the drug store down the block had them for $1.89 WITH A FREE
BALL POINT PEN(!) really frosted me.
.
i love dealers, i've spent seferal years' worth of salaries on them and
capped their kids teeth. but, many of them are blood suckers and
ill-equipped for the real world. yeah, let's try only manufacturers
and publishers.
earl
of ocurse, there are some sweethearts like joe stevens and jay
marshall and others.
Msg #787 Dated 12:23:04 08-04-90 689 <-
From: EARL KEYSER
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: JUNIOR MAGI
dante,
30 years ago, genii published a series on mnemonics by tom harris, who
is long dead. i would like to reprint those 10 articles in a booklet.
i suspect the material is in the public domain at this poinbt, but i
'm an author too and wanted to check. what do you think?
earl keyser
Msg #788 Dated 12:28:12 08-04-90 727 <--> 817
From: EARL KEYSER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MEMBERS
yo - a mentalist! mee, too. (see my items for sale) what are you
specifically interested in? are you a PEA member?
earl keyser
Msg #789 Dated 12:34:29 08-04-90 778 <--> 798
From: EARL KEYSER
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: VIDEO OR TAPE OF AL FLOSS
you're thinking of a fellow employee. no, a former employee. a woman.
eurasi... no, chinese. ira..ido...ida. ida lano? is that correct?
earl
tell al, i got the aronson stack and the card ideas books. am now
devouring them. and THANKS for the wonderul meal. amy said so too.
we loved the time at your house. see you at invo, i hope. and pray.
Msg #798 Dated 1:02:32 08-05-90 778 <--> 841
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: VIDEO OR TAPE OF AL FLOSS
The Magic Castle has a copy. I do, somewhere, but all my stuff is i
storage. Cntact me again in 2-3 months.
Msg #799 Dated 1:03:45 08-05-90 781 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: NEW EFFECT INVENTED
Thanks Earl. Have it on back burner now, as we are moving into a new
ouse we just built. Will work on it soon and let all know.
Msg #801 Dated 2:41:11 08-05-90 -> 809
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: BOOKS!
I haven't read th eKarl Fulves books mentioned here, but I do recognize
the name.
ATTENTION PETE BIRO! I guess all those years of reading your work have
affected me. This morning I happened on a program on the FAMily
network (used to CBN) called "The New Generation". The program host
said "magic", so naturally I watched.
They had a two or three minute segment with someone named Ross
Skippington (who looked a LOT like Blackstone Jr.). Anyway, he did the
cane to silk, and then produced a silver ball. My three 1/2 year old
daughter looked at me quite strangely when I yelled (yes, YELLED) "OH
NO, NOT A ZOMBIE!"
It turned out to be a multiplying silver ball & shell effect (done
rather jerkily, I thought). I thought you'd enjoy knowing the deep
effect your work is apparently having on me.
Dave Magnenat
Msg #803 Dated 4:33:10 08-05-90 753 <-
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: QUESTION
Would you let us all know how "Geek Magic" is? or was that "Greek
Magic"?
Dave Magnenat
Msg #804 Dated 4:34:07 08-05-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: REPLY
Jon: With a name like Lucke, how can you NOT be a magician? I don't
know about the magician you mentioned, but I do know that Ed Marlo
either considered the name "Marco" or actually used it for awhile
before going with "Marlo". He talks briefly about it on his tape.
It's probably a red herring, but when you said "The Great Marco"
that's what came to mind. After all, how many can there be? 10,15
thousand? (grin) Dave Magnenat
Msg #805 Dated 4:34:43 08-05-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: ETC.
Earl..."collecting tricks is a vice, performin magic is a virtue" I
love it! The first magic book I ever had was "Magic Across the Table"
by Bill Severn. Still some unusual things in it! Dave Magnenat
Msg #806 Dated 4:35:08 08-05-90
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: ADVERT
Happened to be going through a VERY old issue of Genii and saw a cute
ad: "GENII, Always Late and Always Great!" Thought you'd enjoy that!
Dave Magnenat
Msg #809 Dated 12:55:14 08-05-90 801 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: BOOKS!
Smash those Zombie Balls flat!
Msg #812 Dated 15:38:59 08-05-90 -> 823
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! - VOLUME 1
The first set of MAGIC! messages - #78 (March 20, 1990) to #498 (July
11, 1990) have been transfered to a downloadable file - MAGIC-01.TXT.
This means that you can now go to the file area, download that file,
and read the first volume of messages off-line. For those who know how
to use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-01.ZIP and is
about 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transfering these messages to a file make it easier for
you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the search for
new messages easier and faster.
Msg #813 Dated 22:48:42 08-05-90 736 <--> 814
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: STEVE BURKE (X)
Re: LOCK PICKING
Hey, I'm new here also, but I know a few things about escapes and
lockpicks.. Is there anything in particular you have in mind?? Do you
know how to do thumb cuffs, siberian chains, straight jackets, or thumb
ties?? I will be glad to help if I can..
By the way, I work with only un-gimmicked escapes, sometimes it
takes a little more work, but I feel it is worth it..
Kenneth G. Hensley
Claremont, CA
Msg #814 Dated 22:52:55 08-05-90 747 <-
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: JOHN GRANTHAM
Re: LOCK PICKING
Actually the best supply of escape books is found at Abbott's Macic in
MI.. Most magic shops do not stock a large volume of escapes, but
Abbott's has a series called The Encylopieda of Escapes, it is eight
volumes, and each volume covers a different type of escape..
Hope this helps
Ken
Msg #815 Dated 23:05:09 08-05-90 -> 933
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: ALL
Re: NEW GUY
Hello, I am a new user on this system and just wanted to say hi..
Most of my intrest currently deals with training birds for magic acts..
Not doves, large parrots and Macaws.. If anyone knows where I can find
this kind of info, I would appriciate the help..
Msg #817 Dated 7:27:06 08-06-90 788 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: MEMBERS
Yo, not a PEA member. I'm interested in the strong seemingly unpre-
pared effect. I use this to gain control over the rock musicians I
manage and to control their lives (just kidding, I think). I am
primarily a librarian at this point because I'm a bit out of the
mainstream here in Charlotte Hall, but I'll be back in 1991. TC
Msg #818 Dated 9:55:13 08-06-90 666 <--> 847
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: YOUNGEST MAGI RECORD
I tried to get my wife to go for the "CUT AND RESTORE UMBILICAL CORD"
when my baby was born four months ago but she woundn't hear of it. I
thought it would be a great effect.
Msg #821 Dated 11:06:16 08-06-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC! FILES
The following is a public reply to a comment from Stan Lake:
There are MAGIC! files for downloading, Stan. The key is the number
13, a magic number! From the Files Menu, type L;13 (that's the
letter L followed by a semi-colon [;] followed by the number 13) and
press the ENTER key. You should then see the list of available
files.
Msg #823 Dated 14:10:56 08-06-90 812 <--> 844
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! - VOLUME 1
Holy Cow... you have saved all the messages! And someone can download
print and read them? I'll have to write more accurately!
Msg #824 Dated 14:13:53 08-06-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: INSIDE MAGIC ET AL
Re: REVIEWS
To: Inside Magic. I appreciate the reviews of the SAM and IBM...However
I have one major complaint. Anonomity. It is unfair to have a review
that is by someone you do not have a name (or names) to. You need to
know who said what so you can understand and evaluate their opinions
and biases. Many read my stuff and know that I have biases. If I wrote
blind - they would be unable to attach the credibility or lack of...
Would really like to know who the 5 reviewers were. I wish enough
reviewers would blast the Speechmaking and Political side during the
evening shows. I would love to have the IBM get back to the Banquet for
that kind of stuff. It looks like the SAM has beat us to it!
Msg #830 Dated 20:50:37 08-06-90 -> 840
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: MNEMONICS
Earl, What volume did the series on mnemonics by Tom Harris start with.
A booklet should be fine. Credit would be appreciated. I should let
Bill know. He used to teach us his system when we were younger. much,
much. Heidi still uses parts sometimes. I'd be curious to know what the
volume and #'s it appeared in. Have you seen Harry Lorayne pitching his
system on late night cable. For about an hour, he and the fella who
sells EVERYTHING "DiDi 40,vegematic" type stuff fame they go through
Harrys whole routine practically and pitch it for school kids,
executives and everyone inbetween. Regardless, I still hate those
shows. Who can watch a guy sell a paint sponge for two hours? besides
me? At any rate let me show the series to Bill. Thanks.
Dante.............................................................
Msg #831 Dated 22:20:27 08-06-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: THUNDERSTORMS
Monday, August 6th, 1990, 10:20 p.m. Pacific Time.
A severe thunderstorm is moving through the Los Angeles area. Although
we will be attempting to support the MAGIC! network with auxiliary
power, etc. it is possible that you may experience line noise and
potential disruptions of service during the next 10-12 hours.
Msg #835 Dated 2:37:52 08-07-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: THUNDERSTORMS
Tuesday, August 7th, 1990, 2:31 a.m. Pacific Time.
At approximately 10:40 p.m. last night we did loose power as a result
of severe thunderstorms in the area. Just as we were switching to
auxillary (internal) power we saw spikes and surges on the phone lines
as well. We therefore moved to isolate the system from all external
lines for a period of four hours. We apologize for the unavoidable
disruption of service.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (weather bureau)
predicts that thunderstorm conditions may continue to occur through
Wednesday morning.
Msg #840 Dated 19:53:15 08-07-90 830 <-
From: EARL KEYSER
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: MNEMONICS
dante -
tom harris wrote in volume 23 #5 - vol 24 #3. conjuring for the
cognoscenti. great column and largely unknown. which is just fine
because most magicians won't spend a month on a mnemonic system; they'd
rather spend years on a worthless side steal. i'm a bit biased, of
course.
.
i'll watch for lorayne. would like to tape it if nothing else than
historical reasons.
.
and please say HI to bill for me. i lived at the castle almost solid
for two years back in the mid 60's. quite an education for a kid
magician from iowa.
.
by the way, do you still accept submissions to genii from strangers?
.
earl
Msg #841 Dated 21:59:54 08-07-90 789 <--> 842
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: EARL KEYSER (X)
Re: VIDEO OR TAPE OF AL FLOSS
Yes, you are right! Ida Lano. I worked in the same IBM branch as she
before she moved. She sent me an electronic note saying she is your IBM
marketing rep now. I am certain she will help you develop positive
plans at your school. ( Enough about work)
I am not sure what you know about the events in chicago but if you
do not know I will fill you in, unfortunately. There probably will not
be an Invocational this year. Tony's wife Gloria accidentially set
herself on fire while spraying her hair and smoking at the same time.
Tony's apartment caught fire killing Gloria and completely trashing his
house. Tony was in the hospital with burns (how bad I do not know). He
has since been released and is staying with friends. I know this souns
like a terrible joke but is not. It is just a terrible tradgedy. As I
learn more I will keep you posted. Sorry for the bad news.
It was great to share some quality time with you and Amy. Both
Louise and I hope we can do it some more. When we do not know.
Thats all for now. Best regards to all of you and will communicate
again soon. Steven
Msg #842 Dated 22:11:27 08-07-90 798 <--> 864
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO OR TAPE OF AL FLOSS
Thanks Pete. I will do that. What tapes does the Magic Castle have?
How can one obtain copies? Thanks again!
Msg #843 Dated 22:15:16 08-07-90 -> 1002
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: ALL
Re: MENTALISM TAPE SWAPS
Is there anyone out there interested in swaping public domain tapes of
mentalists in action? I have tapes of Max Maven, Kreskin, Dannte, Kuda
Bux, Al Koran, and others. I am interested in all but, particularly
in Dunninger, Al Koran and Max Maven. Thanks in advance!
Msg #844 Dated 22:26:04 08-07-90 812 <--> 846
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! - VOLUME 1
Dave, I would like to download the MAGIC-01.ZIP file but, cannot find
it in the files list. Where is it? Thanks in advance!
Msg #846 Dated 22:37:24 08-07-90 844 <--> 851
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: MAGIC! - VOLUME 1
MAGIC-01.ZIP is in the files list! If you are seeing the list, it
should be there. But there could be something I've missed, so please
tell me what you do see when you ask for the list.
There are a couple of "tricks" to finding the MAGIC! files. At the
moment, we can't display the MAGIC! category because it is "secret"
from the rest of the system, so you have to remember that the MAGIC!
number is 13.
To examine the MAGIC! file list from the Main Menu. . .
o Type F for File Subsystem and press the ENTER key.
o Type L;13 (that's the letter L followed by a semi-colon
[;] followed by the number 13).
o Press the ENTER key.
In order to download a file, if you already know the name, you do not
need to examine the file List. From the File Menu you can type D
for Download and press the ENTER key. You can then follow the
prompts, typing MAGIC-01.ZIP when asked for the name of the file
to download.
Please do let me know if you are still encountering problems.
Msg #847 Dated 22:43:45 08-07-90 818 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: YOUNGEST MAGI RECORD
Do you still have the umbilical cord? You could try "Pediatricians
Nightmare."
Msg #848 Dated 22:44:45 08-07-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MACINTOSH CONSULTANT
We have a number of MacIntosh users here on MAGIC! who could use some
assistance with communications software. Some would like some help
with downloading, for example. Is there a MAGIC! member with MacIntosh
experience who would like to serve as a volunteer consultant for
matters MacIntosh?
Msg #851 Dated 0:13:35 08-08-90 823 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC! - VOLUME 1
Yes, the messages live on as downloadable files! And MAGIC-01.TXT or
MAGIC-01.ZIP contain some real history -- your incredible "live"
reports from the floor of the 1990 IBM, for example, and our "scoop"
interview with Jade published only hours after she won the Gold Medal.
(MAGIC-01.TXT is a straightforward text file of all of the public
MAGIC! messages from March to the first part of July, 1990.
MAGIC-01.ZIP is a compressed version of the same file and is faster to
download for those who are familiar with ZIP files).
Msg #857 Dated 13:39:01 08-08-90 -> 862
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: RIDDLE FOR TODAY
What famous magician wore Chinese costumes and had a Japanese name ?
Msg #859 Dated 18:06:38 08-08-90 729 <--> 865
From: LOGAN HALE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PEN PAL
Hi Pete! Sorry I haven't replied sooner. When I saw your name I
immediatly connected it with THE REEL WORKS. I like those articles
alot. Well I have a FRANKLIN 8000 (IBM clone) and it's my dad's.
We have PROCOMM software for the modem. From the people I talk
to I understand you are a very good magician. I thought I would
tell you a little about myself. I started in magic about 3 years
ago. I took 15 weeks (1 hour a week) of magic courses from Brad
Burt. And after they were over I still went every Saturday to
"hang out". One day I saw a sign for the "I.B.M. CONVENTION"
(I thought it was the computer)so I asked what it was. They
told me it was really the International Brotherhood of Magicians.
So I went downtown to see what it was about and I saw a good
friend of mine. The next # days were magic, magic, magic and I
loved it. This really sparked my interest. Earlier this year I
was elected charter president of the San Diego Junior Magicians.
Then in May I read about "TANNEN'S MAGIC CAMP" on the back of
an old LINKING RING.
My mom called up and got me in. Which brings me to today August
8th, 1990. Just minutes before starting this message I got off
the phone with Bob Elliott (Tannen's camp director). When
I told him about you he gave me a message for you. He want's to
know why he hasn't heard from you in 10 years ( by the way his
phone # is (516) 692-4047 if you want to call him ). Well now
for the next 11 days I have to put together my show for the
Tannen's camp "talent show". I've got most of the stuff I just
need to put it together. Well that's my life, now about yours.
How and at what age did you get interested in magic? What are
your favorite magical effects? Where do you live? Do you have any
good tips on magic" What do you like best : Stage,Parlour,
Close-Up,Cards,Coins,Etc.?
?se -Up, Cards, Coins, Etc.? And
p
34:
???????? Something wierd just happened to my last question
so I'll start it over. What do you like best: Stage, Parlour, Close-Up
Cards, Coins, Etc.? And please tell me anything else that you would
like to tell me. Well I've got to go so I'll talk to you later. BYE!!!
Msg #862 Dated 20:06:46 08-09-90 857 <--> 875
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RIDDLE FOR TODAY
Was that costumed magician Theodore Bamburg (Okito)?
Msg #864 Dated 21:34:49 08-09-90 842 <--> 880
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: VIDEO OR TAPE OF AL FLOSS
I don't know. If you live near the Castle, I think you can arrange to
view the tapes. I do know they have at least two versions of the Al
Flosso act. Good Luck!
Msg #865 Dated 21:38:39 08-09-90 859 <--> 868
From: PETE BIRO
To: LOGAN HALE (X)
Re: PEN PAL
Thanks for your interest. I am currently travelling, got my laptop
plugged in to the wall of a hotel (had to borrow a screwdrive to remove
the wall plate...) fun! Anyway, in a week I will be home, re-read the
messages and get back to you. Tell Elliott I haven't heard from him
either!!!
Msg #868 Dated 23:10:30 08-09-90 859 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: LOGAN HALE (X)
Re: PEN PAL
Suddenly found myself with some time. I got into magic a
loooooong time ago. When I was a teenager, in the l940s, and did
some magic when in High School and hundreds of shows in the Army
in 1951)52. Got out entered a convention contest, did not win,
got discouraged and threw my magic stuff away. Then learned how
to do artwork in advertising and switched to photography. When I
was "established" in my own business. Got back into magic, even
stronger. Doing shows and lectures at conventions from France to
Tokyo and all parts of the the U.S. Wound up developing a stand*up
comedy act and worked Comedy Clubs (heavy in magic content).Then for
the past 5 years have been hiring all the acts for the
IBM national conventions. Favorite magicians: (were))sadly all
deceased) ) Fred Kaps, Ken Brooke, Al Flosso, Roy Benson.
Currently like best: Johnny Thompson, Dave Williamson, Les Bubb
(mime), Salvano, Topper Martyn, Lance Burton, Roy (of S&R),
Tamariz, Gaeton Bloome, Christian Fechner, Flip, Richard Ross,
Sultangali Shukorov, Samson, Terry Seabrooke, Paul Daniels, Ricky
Jay, Maki Kitami, Magic Napoleons, Sanada, Mahka Tendo. There are
others... (above in no paticular order). I like all forms of
magic, Close Up, Illusions... BUT IT IS NOT THE MAGIC it is how
it is presented that stirs me. I HATE ACTS THAT ARE DOING THE
SAME OLD STUFF!!! And magicians that wear the same old clothes.
Look at other forms of the entertainment business and see how
diversified they look, they perform... Magicians should not study
other magicians. If you have any other questions, fire away!
Msg #874 Dated 5:57:41 08-10-90 -> 876
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: RISING CARDS
I've been talking with Pete Biro about Rising Cards. The
man has an amazing amount of knowledge regarding Rising
Cards. I thought I'd ask everyone what is their favorite
method and presentation for Rising Cards. I personally use
the AMY deck (a variation of the Devano Deck) and the
presentation Whit Haydn showed me for doing the rising in
the spectator's hand. Pete has told me about some of the
other mechanical decks such as the Martin Deck, now very
rare and expensive, the Ted Biet deck, some of the new
electronic/clockwork decks, and several others. I am
interested in hearing what other people think about Rising
Cards and the various methods for accomplishing the effect.
Maybe we can get a good discussion going. Thanks in advance
for any input.
Charlie
Msg #875 Dated 12:04:45 08-10-90 862 <--> 934
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: RIDDLE FOR TODAY
I was too easy on you the first time out. Yes OKITO (TOKIO). I love
the story of the Bamberg family. I'm waiting for "Illusion Show of Fu
Manchu" to come in and just finished the Edmund Spreer/David book.
I'll be back, this ti, watch out. Thank you for the correct answer. TC
Msg #876 Dated 12:09:36 08-10-90 874 <--> 1062
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: RISING CARDS
I've been slaying the locals with the Devano type deck for some
years now since Houston, Texas days. I keep a new one in my desk
drawer most of the time. The last one I bought (still new) was from
Crazy Hank Lee in poker sized Bicycles.
TC
Msg #877 Dated 12:37:35 08-10-90
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: ALL
Re: STARS OF MAGIC
Just to let everyone know, the tickets for Dale Salwak's Stars of
Magic are now on sale at Citrus College in Glendora..
Msg #879 Dated 17:28:22 08-10-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: TODAYS RIDDLE (TRIVIA)
Please name the inventor of the suspension performed on the Great Wall
of China by David Copperfield in 1986 !!!
Msg #880 Dated 20:30:32 08-10-90 864 <--> 1059
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO OR TAPE OF AL FLOSS
Thanks for the word. I live in St. Louis and so do not have a simple
way to get to the Castle. I will call them and see what is possible.
In 2-3 months I will see if you have your stuff out of storage if I
cannot set anything up with the Castle. Thanks again!
Msg #888 Dated 8:47:06 08-12-90 -> 935
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: {_ORIENTAL MAGIC OF THE B
I am looking for a used or new copy of Oriental Magic of the Bambergs
by Lewis Ganson for my personal library. I am also interested in all
books, manuscripts, etc relating to the history of magic and conjuring,
especially European. I also appreciate and enjoy corresponding with
magicians and lovers of magic on various subjects. This BBS is a great
platform for us.
TC
Msg #895 Dated 21:31:30 08-12-90 -> 896
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: ALL
Re: BOOK
Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the Phil Goldstein
Collection, Tenkai Series? Published in Japan. 1/2 in Japanese other
1/2 in English. Let me know, Please. This is a beautiful book and I
would like to add it to my collection. Thank you in advance.
Msg #896 Dated 21:56:24 08-12-90 895 <--> 898
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: BOOK
Hank Lee in Boston carries a good selection of books. They usually
have what I'm looking for for my library. I haven;t seen the book
you refer to, though I have heard of it and understand it is a
beautiful book. I am seeking Lewis Ganson's Oriental Magic of the
Bambergs if you have a clue also a copy of Wenii which was published
around 1982. Good luck.
Msg #897 Dated 22:17:47 08-12-90 -> 918
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: HI!
A number of members have expressed an interest in knowing who else is
here. Right now there is no facility for a membership directory. And
there are some members who may wish, for reasons of their own, to
remain unidentified.
But for the rest of us, why not introduce yourself? It's easy! Just
leave a brief message with a little information on your interests
(magical and/or otherwise) and, if you feel like it, the city and state
you reside in.
At the end of this message you will see a menu. You can use it to
leave your message. To do so. . .
o Type R for Reply and press the ENTER key.
o Enter your message.
o End your message by pressing the ENTER key TWICE.
o Type S for Save and press the ENTER key.
That's it! Easy!
Msg #898 Dated 22:27:37 08-12-90 895 <--> 899
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: BOOK
You should leave the same message on "again" addressed to Max Maven,
AKA Phil Goldstein. He is out of the country, but if you address it to
him, he will read it when he gets back and should be able to help.
Msg #899 Dated 22:29:09 08-12-90 896 <--> 917
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOK
Contact Make Caveney "Magical Publications" he has copoes of WENII.
Msg #903 Dated 4:14:40 08-13-90 -> 1005
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: QUESTION
I know you probably know thousands of effects, but I thought I'd ask
you to remember just one. Three aces and three kings are used...but
the audience sees only three aces to begin with. A few elmsley counts
later the cards are shown to be three kings (to the audiences
surprise). The routine has three of four packet turnovers followed by
glides at the end and the setup is something like KC KS facedown KD AC
AS AH. A magician/friend of mine showed me the effect, saying he'd
seen it in GENII ("an old copy") and that it was yours. Could you
direct me to the proper source, be it book, the GENII back issue, or
whatever? I've got a similar handling worked out from what I saw, but
it's not right.
Thanks,
Dave Magnenat
BTW: Whether or not you decide to steer my to the right source, I LOVE
the effect. And I find you one of the most intelligent writers on
magic today. Who were/are you idols? Domo
Dave
Msg #904 Dated 4:29:12 08-13-90 -> 907
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WENII
WENII is Volume 46, number "6 1/2", June 1982. I picked mine up from
"The Magic Shop" in Seattle's PIke Place Market for 50 cents, along
with a whole slew of back issues. Do you know the shop? I don't think
they have any more copies, but it was kind of like finding a back-issue
gold mine. Is Wenii valuable from a collectors stand point?
Do I understand that you represent rock groups? I thought I read that
you had a group including illusions in their act now. (Can't find the
message now). I understand a lot of groups are turning to
magic...Michael Jackson, Sabbath, etc. I'll never forget an Alice
Cooper show where he impaled himself with a microphone
stand...standing!
I'm reminded of the latest issue of Genii, with Ben Harris quoting Penn
& Teller as saying they don't call themselves magicians anymore because
people don't go to see magicians anymore. Part of the reason Cooper's
illusion was so good was because it was so unexpected, I think.
Perhaps that is something we should strive for more often in our
art...surprise. Instead of finding the card buried in the deck,
perhaps we could find it buried in someones neck? Rudy Coby, are you
reading this? *:->
Dave Magnenat
Msg #905 Dated 4:34:56 08-13-90 -> 923
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: THANKS
Recv'd the Paul Harris back issue...it is EXCELLENT! Thanks!
Does anyone here perform "The Cube" from that issue? I'd like some
tips on the construction (and mostly how to keeo the darn thing
together on the table) if you do. Erasing the Aces was much better
after I'd read the directions. Thanks again.
The effect can be names whatever, Pair if Strange Visitors, or
whatever. I just wanted to make sure that the proper name and creator
of the trick were mentioned, so I wouldn't get strange, threatening
phone calls from guys named Vito, who say they work for LJ. *:-> (Mr.
Jennings, if you're reading this, I am just kidding. Really!). (So
much for my chances at an autographed copy of LJ's book now, I guess!)
Anyway, whatever you deem appropriate is fine with me.
Can you give us some information on the Castle and it's video and book
library? Do you have to be a member of the Castle to borrow, etc? The
back issues I have mention something called the PCAM, but is that still
valid information? Thanks,
Dave Magnenat
Msg #906 Dated 4:39:34 08-13-90 -> 945
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: THANKS
GOt the info....neat. Thanks very much. Any copies of the Erdnase
book left? I'm still going through the newsletters, but I can tell
this is going to cost me LOTS of future earnings. I'm still trying to
get through the books I have, though the info on Erdanse made me decide
to try and tackle him again.
Thanks for the magical boost!
Dave Magnenat
Msg #907 Dated 8:45:07 08-13-90 904 <--> 916
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: WENII
Well, DO IT!
Msg #909 Dated 20:33:10 08-13-90
From: DAVID MURAVEZ
To: ALL
Re: NEW BBS
ALPAHA PRODUCTIONS is online
evenings and weekends (818)895-8212
Msg #915 Dated 23:38:47 08-13-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JEFF BERMAN (X)
Re: MAGIC!.TXT
Jeff (and others):
All my suggestions on how to read and print the file MAGIC!.TXT were
fine. . . except that I hadn't seen the file in a while and didn't
realize that there were no line feeds at the ends of lines! This can
be "fixed" by reading the file in most word processors.
But I have also now fixed the file itself. So another way to get it
properly formatted is to download it again. This time it will read,
print, etc. nicely.
Msg #916 Dated 0:44:28 08-14-90 904 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: WENII
I was in Seattle in 1980 ,or 1981 when I played piano with Mickey
Gilley and The Urban Cowboy Band. My father in law is from Cusick
WA. The latest issue of Genii started (about time) me thinking about
my role in the future of magic. For the most part I live an isolated
life here on an old colonial estate in So. MD. I do manage a couple
of bands. Right now its almost 4am on the ea coast and I just came
in from the recording studio next to the house where we've been working
on Quade's new CD for the lst three weeks. The guitar player finally
got his guitar in tune (three days now) so we went for it. I spent
about half the time reading one of Eugene Burger's books while
listening to tracks.
My goal is to get more involved. This BBS is a great thing for me
because I get to interact with other magicians. I hope I can do
something to pay back an art that has brought me so much pleasure.
I live in Charlotte Hall, Maryland most of the time.
Thanks to you and all the other magi who have bothered saying hello or
giving me a reply. I'll do what I can to keep it interesting. Lets get
Burger on this line. Best, TC
Msg #917 Dated 0:56:08 08-14-90 899 <--> 936
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOK
Thanks, Pete. Do you ever get to the East Coast?? If you do give us a
holler (if you want to). I'll give Mike a call tomorrow or drop him a
line. Tabby (301)-884-8484 just outside DC in southern Maryland.
Msg #918 Dated 1:02:46 08-14-90 897 <--> 920
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HI!
Tabby Crabb; pka T.C. Roberts. Age 44. Professional music manager and
insufferable fan of magic and magicians. Reside in Charlotte Hall,
Maryland. Primary interest is my magic library which I add to regularly
and read (have read) and study the books contained therein (now
somewhere between 750 and 800 volumes). Sometimes frequent magic shops
and in the past was a magician myself. It was great for getting girls.
What can I say, though I'm married now. Correspond with several
magicians around the country. Longtime Genii fan. Current favorite
subject is the Bamberg family of Holland and am waiting patiently for
a copy of "Illusion Show of Fu Manchu". Hello to everyone. Oh yes,
member of S.A.M............If you're coming this way, drop me a line.
I usually check in here almost everyday to see what's new. Thanks to
the Sysop for MAGIC!...............TC
Msg #920 Dated 11:30:01 08-14-90 918 <--> 926
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HI!
Thanks for your "introductory" message, Tabby. I'm glad to hear that
you are enjoying MAGIC! I know that we are enjoying your
participation on here. Together, we are inventing a whole new way for
magicians to stay in touch with each other around the world. Our
membership is growing on a daily basis.
You are right, I'd love to see Burger on here. Are you able to suggest
it to him? He's one of my long term favorites.
Were you with Mickey Gilley when his bus got lost in Columbia, South
Carolina while heading for a Country Music Festival? I think it was
about 1978. I was a member of the "rescue" group that went out to
escort the band in.
Msg #923 Dated 21:25:30 08-14-90 905 <-
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: THANKS
Dave, Glad you got the issue. The Castle video library can get you
copies but they have been known to take a long, long time. I don't know
the cost now and the videos must be public domain. Call the castle and
ask for a member of the Video Tape Library or ask Mary (our friendly
phone answerer) to put you in touch. Be forewarned however they take a
loong, looong time! You must be a member for the book library. No books
allowed out at all. (They learned this the hard way!) If you visit
check it out.
Msg #924 Dated 21:36:10 08-14-90 -> 928
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ]WENII
Tabby, Speaking with Paul Butler who was a force behind WENII he told
me there were very few copies printed and he knows of none that exist.
If you can get one hold on to it. We have one copy and when I have a
heavy, questioning thought about work I simply open up the WENII and
the answer seems to be right there. Interesting note he told me. There
was a pact made by the editors of WENII, Katlin,Caveney, Lenert,Lewis
Andersons and Butler I believe, that they would not all sign a single
issue together. They all signed different ones but not all together. At
any rate, find one. Dante.............................................
Msg #925 Dated 21:43:03 08-14-90 -> 1004
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JAPAN
MAX, as you just got back from the Friendship Convention in Japan could
you give us a brief synopsis if you find the time? I'm sure we would
love to hear your viewpoint. Thanking you in advance,
Dante..................................................................
Msg #926 Dated 21:49:06 08-14-90 897 <--> 930
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HI!
Hi my name is Ken Hensley, My magical intrests include escapes,
manipulations, and close up.. My background includes studing with J.C.
Wagner, and graduiating from the Chavez school of magic.. Aside from
magic I also do photography, and play a lot of games.. I reside in
Claremont, CA about 1 hr. from the Castle.. I am interested in
communicating with all of you here, and look forward to getting much
useful info from you all..
Msg #928 Dated 1:07:14 08-15-90 924 <--> 931
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: ]WENII
I think Caveney still has some stock. I was at his house recently.
Don't have his address handy, but his ads run in Genii. Adios. PB
Msg #930 Dated 7:41:13 08-15-90 920 <--> 942
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HI!
I joined the Gilley show in 1979 just before the filming of Urban
Cowboy of which I was one. The group was called Mickey Gilley and
the Red Rose Express when ya'll rescued him. I always loved playing
the Carolinas at any time. It wasn't so much the humidity or the
mosquitos that I liked so much, it was the great people who lived
in the region. Glad to hear you were one of them.
MAGIC! a good idea and one that the time has come. I appreciate
the opportunity to converse with like minded individuals. Besides
Burger we need Paul Osborne. I wonder if he has a modem. I'll bet
Mr. Burger has one. Best, TC
Msg #931 Dated 7:48:34 08-15-90 924 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: ]WENII
I suspected as much. I guess eight years wsa just too long to think
about ordering it. Maybe I'll send in a free classified and some
Genii reader will want to part with one. I knew it was good, but
here is a lesson about procrastination. These days I've learned not
to stand on grass while its growing. Thanks for the info. See you
in LA. Best, TC
Msg #932 Dated 20:06:53 08-15-90 752 <-
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: MYSTERY MAGICIAN
Wish I would have gotten on here before your trip to Abbotts, Jon.
Mostly just to say I went for the first time last year and thought it
was GREAT fun! Now that you`ve been, what do you think? Did you get
to the Legion Hall? Out to Bob Lund`s? Turkeyville?? Hope you had a
great time - heard it was cold, though... -- Patrice
Msg #933 Dated 20:11:36 08-15-90 815 <--> 960
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: NEW GUY
Hi ya, Ken, I don`t know if Don Bice trains birds for magic acts, but
he was going to put out a book (or maybe already has) on training
larger birds. You might check with him. He`s in Glendale -- Patrice.
Msg #934 Dated 20:14:46 08-15-90 857 <--> 1061
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RIDDLE FOR TODAY
I should know - I remember reading it and know it will be one of those
"Oh yea's" - so.... who be it??? -- Patrice
Msg #935 Dated 20:17:17 08-15-90 888 <--> 937
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: {_ORIENTAL MAGIC OF THE B
Tabby, is that the book that Eric Lewis was involved in that I believe
is great but EXPENSIVE!? Hope you find one. I am very interested in
the history of magic - have started a collection of Sphinx magazines
and am having a terrific time going through them. I am also
researching a female magician from England (turn of the century) who
has a student andas a student and sometimes assistant to
Charles Bertram. Anyway, I'm crazy for magic history. I work for
Magical Publications sometimes and they've just released a book on
Devant - that unfortunately some really hate.... Oh well, have you
read it? Be "typing" at you!! -- Patrice
Msg #936 Dated 20:22:05 08-15-90 895 <--> 1003
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: BOOK
Steven, are you on the mailing lists for used book people?? George
Daily, Mario Carrandi (sometimes good), Sun Magic had been a good
source, but don't know what will be happening with them. Anyway, if
you haven`t already - try the used book folks. Good luck! -- Patrice
Msg #937 Dated 21:14:55 08-15-90 935 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PATRICE MOORE
Re: {_ORIENTAL MAGIC OF THE B
Magic History is my primary interest also. I am currently reading the
Jack Gwynne book and find it quite well done, though I'm only just
getting started. I'm in sort of a bad mood right now and signed on
to try to get my mind off equipment breakdowns in our recording studio.
I was just getting started on vocals on Quades new cd when the machine
starts spewing three weeks work across the console and onto the floor.
Oh well. I appreciate your reply. I wish I had bought the Jeans book
that Magical Publications (I think) put out. I buy most of the new
books from my friend Hank Lee in Boston (since 1978) and by the
time I got around to calling him on it he was out.
By the way, the answer to that trivia riddle is Walter Zaney Blaney.
Nice talking (typing) to you. ----TC
Msg #938 Dated 1:31:16 08-16-90 -> 943
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LANCE WITHOUT BIRDS?
Lance Burton Clones...take over. Its all yours - BECAUSE Lance
has moved to the next plateau.
He's performing at the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas (often)
WITHOUT BIRDS!
Tonight we (Joe Stevens of Desert Magic Seminar fame) visited
Lance in his dressing room after seeing the Follies Bergere show,
where he performed several new illusions. On this show he did
produce three birds. "I used to do seven," he said, "and some
nights I don't do ANY."
Following his "known" opening sequence with the birds and candles
(I had forgoten how good he did his magic!!) he presented a new
illusion (to him) that the basis of was created originally by
Dick Zimmerman. It is a giant replica of a Gramaphone. Complete
with the turntable and the large "horn" a female assistant stands
on the turntable and the horn is placed over her. Lance cranks
the handle and the turntable begins to rotate. He and another
assistant grip sections of the horn (it is a large ribbon like
affair on a metal skeleton frame) and as it unwinds the girl is
seen to have vanished. Suddenly Lance, who was holding one end of
the cloth steps forward and it isn't Lance at all, but the girl!
Everyone expects Lance to jump out of the turntable... but no. In
a wink he is found out in the audience standing high atop the
back of the row of booths, about center of the room.
He follows this with some talk with the audience about the
reactions of past audiences to the effect. Then the next illusion
features "the backstage magician" (seen for the first time last
March at the Desert Seminar. The two gals working with him
decide its time men quit sawing women in half. They put Lance
into a cabinet. (It is done with their backs to the real
audience, and "to" an audience "painted" on the backdrop. It
shows Lance sneaking out the back of the cabinet and hiding under
a cloth covered table. At the end Lance is "back" in the cabinet
and no one is to be found under the table. A very clever
illusion, well thought out and entertaining. With seveal funny
bits with the people "pianted" on the back wall. He works in one
with the levitation of the champagne glass as he pours into it. A
nice "bigger than usual" version.
Taking a cocktail napkin from a table in the audience, Lance
performs a version of the "Creation of Life" turning the scraps
of torn and twisted paper into a live Parakeet. Into the round
cage the bird goes. He then performs a version of the Okito
Floating Ball (while it revolves) that is done in FULL LIGHT.
Beautiful. His walk off is to strong applause (the lay audience
really liked this act) and he finishes with the boomerang toss of
his hat. It flies out over the audience and comes back to him,
just as he disappears off the stage.
Between shows we chatted about his performance he is getting
ready for the 91 Desert Seminar--and he showed us a video tape of
an all-new illusion he plans to debut then. He told us he will do
a completely different show in the Follies Bergere show later
this night. But we couldn't stay, we were headed over to see
Belinda "the First Lady of Magic" now appearing at the famed
Sands Hotel. Home of the early Sinatra shows in Vegas, and the
playground of the Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Dean Martin "Rat Pack"
shows. Unfortunatley we only saw the last half of her show. I had
never seen her work before and I was very impressed. She does
each illusion as part of a production number with 6 to 8 dancers.
Lots of action, good magic and excellent dancing by Melinda.
Moving into the Sands (right across the street from Siegfried and
Roy - at the Mirage) is a great break for her. Geno Munari was at
our table (actually we were at HIS table) and he told us the
shows have been Packed and the hotel is very happy with the
results. Time for bed...another instant electronic review from
MAGIC!
Msg #942 Dated 2:05:30 08-16-90 930 <--> 948
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HI!
Thanks for your message, Tabby. I too love the people in the
Carolinas. I also happen to like South Carolina Bar-B-Que, but that is
another story entirely. Will be in South Carolina for a weekend in
about a week. Would have liked to drop by and visit you in Md., but
this is one of those straight-shot, in one day and out the next type
trips.
Will see if we can arrange to recruit Burger, Osborne and a few others.
I think they would fit right in to the group we already have. More
than a few stars of magic are already here!
Msg #943 Dated 2:10:45 08-16-90 938 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANCE WITHOUT BIRDS?
Pete, thanks for another of your fantastic instant electronic reviews.
I certainly look forward to seeing the new Lance Burton show. I've
seen Melinda in the past and have been impressed. She's attended a
couple of the Dessert Magic sessions, but I've never gotten the chance
to talk with her. Gives me a thought - maybe we can work out an
electronic interview with her.
Msg #944 Dated 8:55:33 08-16-90 -> 949
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: READING MESSAGES
NOTE: I was writing this message and the phone in my hotel room rang,
cutting the computer off so will start again. Just FYI - the room does
not have the standard wall jack for the phone that I usually plug the
computer modem line in to. So I had to remove the wall plate strip off
some wires inside the wall and hook into the red and green lines (that
is all that is necessary) with a pair of Aligator Clips on a stripped
phone jack wire. Thus I am going "around" the phone - and that is why
the line was interrupted. If I was into the Jack the line would have
been "busy". Looks great this hole in wall and wires sticking out in a
Casino Hotel!!!
Anyway the message I was sending related to an easy way to real all the
new messages that have been posted since your prior visit. Our SYSOP
showed me this the other day. Instead of just using R to read messages
and then havin to type in message numbers. Type R;* and all the new
messages will automatically come to you. You only need to hit the ENTER
key after reading each message. That's all Folks!
Msg #945 Dated 14:05:38 08-16-90 906 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: THANKS
Glad you enjoyed the material. We sent you another a few days ago and
hope you enjoy that too.
Msg #948 Dated 20:52:40 08-16-90 942 <--> 951
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HI!
B-B-Q and Brunswick Stew. Some slaw on the BBQ sandwich. They do it
right in the Carolinas. You're welcome at Spring Hill Plantation
anytime. I may well be in California in September. I'll let you know
if it materializes. Thanks. TC
Msg #949 Dated 20:55:20 08-16-90 944 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: READING MESSAGES
You must spend a lot of time on the road. We're glad you check
in often with MAGIC!. Always enjoy reading your "words of wisdom"!!
TC
Msg #951 Dated 23:58:46 08-16-90 948 <--> 954
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HI!
Well, as Louis Grizzard said, "They do Bar-B-Que different in North
Carolina, but G-d will get 'em for that!" I've had Bar-B-Que sauce
from South Carolina airfreighted out to me on occassion! And, if you
go to Ray Lever's place in Blythewood, SC you'll see a picture on the
wall of a bottle of his bar-b-que sauce in John Wayne's footprint at
Mann's Chinese Theater. Yep, I did it!
If your plans to be in California in Sept. materialize, do let me know.
It would be great to see you.
Er, I guess we now return this board to the magic discussions already
in progress. . .
Msg #954 Dated 6:25:53 08-17-90 951 <--> 1063
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HI!
There is a degree of magic involved in the proper formulation
of bar-be-que. I know because I was raised in Georgia. I'll
holler at you if plans materialize for Sept., and I'll holler anyway.
Plus, even magicians like to eat. Best, TC
Msg #957 Dated 10:46:56 08-17-90 -> 959
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: TRAVEL/GAMBLING/MOJO
Have had a crazy couple of days and nights. Ran into a retired gambler
that showed me the most invisible bottom deal I have ever seen.
Had dinner last night with close up pioneer Johnny Paul and his wife
Winnie. He keeps trying to retire but the work (major corp.
hospitality) keeps coming in. He just returned from taping several
shows with Paul Daniels in London. He showed some great table work to
us with top changes and forcing. A real master.
Found one of the casi managers -is into computers and goiing to get
him online later today. Saw Senor ray at the Maxim produce his dogs now
in "white tiger" costumes. Very funny send up of S&R. When I get home
will file a longer report. Adios.
Msg #959 Dated 17:04:57 08-17-90 957 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRAVEL/GAMBLING/MOJO
I'd like to see those dogs in the white tiger costumes. Thanks
for the chuckle. TC
s
Msg #960 Dated 22:15:55 08-17-90 933 <-
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: PATRICE MOORE
Re: NEW GUY
Took what I could of Don's training course, but he was inconsistant on
his scheduling.. Had someone new working for him and was having some
sort of problem.. I plan to check back with him and see how it is
going.. Thanks for the info though..
Ken
Msg #973 Dated 15:43:07 08-19-90
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC LESSONS
For anyone who is interested, there are beginner and advanced magic
lessons being taught at the Learning Tree University in Chatsworth
California. Phone number (818) 882 5599. Beginning lessons covering
basic sleight of hand, misdirection and a short routine are being given
on Saturday, September 15th from 9:30 to 3:30 for $45.00. The advanced
class is being given on Saturday, October 6th from 9:30 to 3:30 and it
covers more advanced sleights (coins across, copper and silver, three
types of passes etc.) and it is also $45.00. The classes are being
taught by Christopher E. Love, a member of the Magic Castle and a
performing magician for the last 11 years.
Msg #974 Dated 19:11:02 08-19-90
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: ALL
Re: COMPUTERS
I have a friend who just recently stopped and took down his bbs.. If
anyone is interested, he ran 2 I.B.M. machines, with tape backup, 9600
baud modems, and I believe about 100 megs. of storage.. Along with the
computers he is selling LOTS of door games I believe.. This was
formerly known as Vervans War Board, and had a world wide subership
(V-net is still active) The selling price is $4,000 for both, and I
don't believe he is interested in splitting them up.. If you would
like more info, just leave me a message and I will be happy to get it
for you..
Ken
Msg #975 Dated 19:16:31 08-19-90
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: ALL
Re: SPREAD PASS
Has anyone seen the Spread Pass as done by Gary Ouellet?? Is this on
tape or print anywhere?? any info is appriciated!!
Msg #981 Dated 7:02:54 08-21-90 -> 985
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: THANKS/GEEK TRICK
Jeff: I'll be looking for the new information! With another baby less
than 3 months away I can't buy as much magic (especially books) as I
want to, but it's always nice to see what IS available. I just watched
"The Secret Policeman's Other Ball" on videotape again last night, and
saw a GREAT Geek trick...hammering a four inch nail into your nostril.
Definitely interesting. Any idea how it was done? I assume there had
to be some kind of switch out, and the camera angles were lousy to try
and analyze anything, but Gosh, it looked GREAT! Dave Magnenat
Msg #982 Dated 7:03:32 08-21-90 -> 986
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WENII
-TC: I just got back from the Magic Shop in Pike PLace market here in
Seattle. I went through a bunch of old magazines they'd just gotte -n
in, but no WENII. The proprieter of the shop says copies - if you can
find them - are going for about $10.00. I did get a HECK of a deal on
most of Volumes 1 and 2 of New Tops, including the first five issues.
All are in mint condition. Anybody have any ideas what these would
be worth? I don't plan to sell them, but I am curious. Vol 1, nos.
1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,11,& 12, in mint condition. Also, I believe they were
just traded to the shop by Harry Anderson, a new NOrthwest native. He
was in the shop a couple of weeks ago and traded a bunch of stuff...my
understanding is that these were his. Dave Magnenat
Msg #983 Dated 7:04:10 08-21-90 -> 987
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: CHAVEZ SCHOOL
Does anyone here have any knowledge or comments on the Chavez School
home instruction course? I -'d like to learn a lot more about magic,
but I'm not about to drop a lot of bucks on something that isn't
thorough, etc. I've seen the ads in back issues, but never heard
anything positive or negative about the course. -Any fe -edback would
be appreciated, ESPECIALLY if you've done it. -
Also, is it accredited? - Is there some kind of diploma or something
you get at the end?
Dave Magnenat
P.S. -I HATE line noise!
Msg #985 Dated 8:39:56 08-21-90 981 <--> 1024
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: THANKS/GEEK TRICK
No gaff to the nail Geek trick. Rucy Coby does it in his close up
shows. You just have to be brave enough. Like sword swallowing and fire
eating. It is a definite Yech. Coby has someone "select" a nail. Then
when done, pounds into a piece of wood. I think he offers to let the
spectator keep it as a souvenir.
Msg #986 Dated 8:41:48 08-21-90 982 <--> 1025
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: WENII
I really think Mike Caveney 818-449-1234 has Wenii issues. Write him
also, at 572 Prospect Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91103.
Msg #987 Dated 8:43:04 08-21-90 983 <--> 1026
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: CHAVEZ SCHOOL
Consider that Channing Pollack, Norm Nielsen AND Don Alan are Chavez
graduates! However, they all studied under Ben (Chavez). They each
"came out totally different". My only complaint TODAY is all the Chavez
students I have seen all come out with the same act. Card productins,
Zombie, etc. It is probably OK to learn the moves. But please, please
be an individual. Don't become a clone. Frankly, the best way to learn
is to do. Find a mutual friend and be very tough on one another. Don't
let anything pass without an honest appraisal. Join a local Ring, but
make sure the people you hang with are sincere and don't think that
everything is "great" - it is not. Little is. It is not easy to find ou
the good stuff. But agian, nothing is better than DOING.
Msg #993 Dated 15:41:57 08-21-90 -> 1028
From: STEVE BURKE
To: KEN HENSLEY (X)
Re: ESCAPES
Thanks for Responding Ken. Mostly what I am interested in is the small
stuff, like thumbcuffs and handcuffs. I don't do any stage magic and
people might get the wrong idea if I did a straight jacket escape. I
am looking for a good book on the subject. One that does not use
gimmicked equipment. How did you learn? Letr me know where to start?
Later.
Msg #994 Dated 15:42:31 08-21-90 -> 999
From: STEVE BURKE
To: ALL
Re: CIGARRETE THRU QUARTER
The cigarette thru Quarter has always been one of my favorite effects.
I saw Doug Henning do it when I was a little kid and I have loved it
ever since. I recently purchased the thirty dollar quarter necessary
to make it work and I am practising the routine so that I can do it
well. However, I would like to use something other than a cigarette
for the penetration. Very few people smoke anymore (at least here in
California) and I myself don't smoke so I don't want to carry
cigarettes around. My two best ideas so far are a drinking straw and
a bic pen. The cheap Bic pens are ubiquitous and almost the exact size
of the hole. Does anyone have any better ideas? Let me know. I'd be
glad to hear from you.
Later.
Msg #999 Dated 23:23:30 08-21-90 994 <--> 1014
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BURKE (X)
Re: CIGARRETE THRU QUARTER
How about a rolled up dollar bill (or other denomination)? Stays in the
Money realm. Also I have seen it done with a wooden pencil.
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