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Msg #2501 Dated 6:56:37 11-13-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: TORN
Hi Jim,
I've never seen it in print. Doc is a great guy. We're going to
do some work together. He shares his knowledge freely. He also
does a lecture on Therapy With Laughter. He is exceptionally
funny. T. Crabb, Box 590, Charlotte Hall, MD 20622. In the
effect, getting rid of the pieces was always a problem for me so
I made up a "pull" with an alligator clip on one end, clipped the
torn pieces of the indifferent card and let them fly up my
sleeve. Of course, the restaurant bar magician probably couldn't
use the pull bit because of the reset, though I always found it
pretty easy to get the pull and dump the pieces. I'm happy you
want to run "Torn" in your mag. I've got more stuff you can
probably use and will shoot you one from time to time. Doc is in
Philly this week, then home by the weekend. God bless, tabman...
Msg #2503 Dated 6:58:35 11-13-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
Thank you for the numbers....
Msg #2504 Dated 9:06:51 11-13-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: SINCE YOU ASKED
Producing an award show is tricky. I'm associated with NARAS who
does the Grammy Awards. The production company that produces that
program charges major bucks to do the show, but they know how to
do it. I wonder if anyone's gotten the reaction from a non
magician audience. I've found with the Grammys that the industry
says one thing while the buying public says something different.
We hate it they love it - we love it they hate it sort of thing.
The main point is that it was done. The magic was very good and
fun to watch. The Wilson family's subtrunk variation was heart
warming. My wife enjoyed it and watched it twice - and she is the
ultimate consumer. I always bounce my commercial ideas off her
and she it right more often than not. Writing to the networks
will only be good if positive comments are made.......
Msg #2505 Dated 10:22:15 11-13-90 -> 2511
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: CREATORS RIGHTS
Is it time for the MAGICAL ARTS PERFORMING RIGHTS
PROTECTIVE ASSOCIATION ??
Friday night, 11/9/90, Webster, NY...Discussion on
originators rights after effect has been published. In attendence
were Lou Gallo, Ron Fredrick, Howie Schwarzman, Ed Eckl, Randy
DiMarco, Bill Miesel, Doc Eason, Mike O'Dowd, and tabman....
Sparked by the Rights Reserved by Bruce Cervon in ULTRA CERVON.
Does the originator retain any rights over the effect
and/or its presentation after the effect has been published in a
book ???
Opinions ranged from no rights to full rights. In the
music publishing field, the copyright owner is entitled to a
royaly ecah time the work is performed. Once published the work
is open to use by anyone as long as that royalty is paid. In
music the collection of these royalties is quite expensive and
left up to performing rights collection agencies like ASCAP and
BMI.
Also the routine might be looked on as a play and again
covered by copyright law guaranteeing the copyright holder a
predetermined performance fee or royalty.
If the same rules apply to magic as music, then once
published, rights of first refusal (tv, movie reservations) might
be waived.
No solutions were offered. For the magic industry to
aviod federal resolution of conflict, the industry might need to
set up an association to police internally similar to the
tv/movie/music industries.
Is it time for the MAGICAL ARTS PERFORMING RIGHTS
PROTECTIVE ASSOCIATION???
Creators should learn the rights of copyright and
trademark. Horace Goldin patented illusions belonging to others
and even had P.T. Selbit in court over the sawing illusion.
There are a number of catagories of copyright and several
ways to protect yourself. If there is any interest, I can go into
it more.......tabman...
Msg #2507 Dated 11:32:32 11-13-90
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CEMK
I live in NY and I haven't heard a word about CEMK. I'd
appreciate it if you could give me a phone #, address, details,
whatever.
THANKS ---JK
Msg #2508 Dated 12:27:52 11-13-90 -> 2520
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RIGHTS
Bruce Cervon must be hallucinating if he really thinks that his
statement of rights in his ULTRA CERVON book is anything more than a
pipedream.
First of all, we're not talking about a cheap paperback...it's a
$35.00 textbook. Second of all, when one buys Bruce's book, (I BOUGHT
MINE FROM BRUCE), this contractual agreement of reserved performance
rights is unspoken and unseen. The book is shrinkwrapped and no
mention of any reservation of rights can be found on the cover.
Now let's be sensible here, would you buy a cookbook if you were not
permitted to actually prepare any of the recipes?
Why buy a magic book at all unless you can use the information
included therein?
And who sez that everything in ULTRA CERVON is entirely original with
Bruce??? Did he pay royalties to those he based some of the moves and
effects on?
In short, if you don't want others to be performing your work, don't
sell it to them! You can't get payment and exclusivity too!
Msg #2520 Dated 20:17:36 11-13-90 2508 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: RIGHTS
The implied message contained in any "howto" book is that the
buyer purchases the right to use the material contained therein.
Since magicians buy books to learn to do the effects then perhaps
on a sealed book (ala Ultra C...) notice should be placed on the
outside wrapper stating that the buyer is only getting certain
rights and by buying and opening the package that the buyer
accepts these restrictions....but you're right..the best way to
insure the exclusive nature of material is to copyright the
effects and routines (going up to $20 per in 1991 - now $10) but
not publish them...Coca Cola has never patented the formula for
their softdrink because they don't want it a matter of public
record.........
Msg #2522 Dated 20:34:23 11-13-90 -> 2528
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To: ALL
Re: HELLO
?
NIce to see you all. I will take me a little time to get used to this
system. More later. Howie.
Msg #2523 Dated 21:13:04 11-13-90
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: SCOTT GOLDSTEIN
Re: PROBLEMS ACCESSING SYSTEM
First suggestion is not to "SHOUT" (capital letters). Save the caps for
when you are real emotional and have to let it hang out. Next spend
some time just being here, read the messages, look at the bullitins,
just sort of hang out. It will be no time at all that you will get the
hang of all of this. If you go to the FILE section from the main menu
(hit "F" from the main menu) you will be given options from there. Just
spend some time looking around. If you can get to the file section and
back here to leave me a note I will try to talk you through downloading
a file. Good Luck
Msg #2524 Dated 21:24:41 11-13-90 -> 2550
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW
Hi Wayne,
Enjoyed talking with you at the IBM ring 21 Lecture. I was the Tinder
Box Man. Wanted to let you know that your picture was in our company
Newsletter. If you haven't seen it talk to Rick Hacker or I can get
get you a copy...let me know.
Doug
Msg #2528 Dated 22:37:14 11-13-90 2522 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN (X)
Re: HELLO
Hi Howie. Nice to see you online. Got your letter. Will buy both items
from you. Any questions about using MAGIC! just ask David. Leave under
"Comment" he is great at explaining stuff. The best method is to type
r;* and all the new messages since your last visit come one at a time.
When you finish reading one if you want to answer just type R and
reply, leave 2 empty lines after you finish writing then type S to
save. If you don't wish to reply, just hit the ENTER key and it goes to
the next msg. Will send you $ and letter via regular post tomorow.
Msg #2534 Dated 2:21:44 11-14-90
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: FRIENDS
Would like to see a copy of the review.
Msg #2535 Dated 9:21:22 11-14-90 -> 2536
From: MAC KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOUBLE FACERS
I have had a guy in chicago do some work for me when I was there and
needed custom double facers. Magic Inc put me in touch with him. His
name is Phil Herda and he can be reached at 5310 N. Natchez, Chicago,
IL 60656. His work is right up there with Neil Lester's of Cards by
Martin. Good Luck.
Msg #2536 Dated 9:53:38 11-14-90 2535 <--> 2539
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAC KING (X)
Re: DOUBLE FACERS
Thanks Mac, I'll give him a call. later, ...tabman...
Msg #2537 Dated 9:58:37 11-14-90 -> 2540
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
There's also a book "MORE EXQUISITE MAGIC" or "EXQUISITE MAGIC"
published by Conradi with a section by Tagrey which contains material
on the bubble act. If I recall correctly, our buddies H&S Magic Books
offered one of them on the last list, so you might check with Charlie
Randall. I used to have stacks of those two books, but the price
seemed pretty reasonable on their list. If you're really interested,
you might want to check out material on the act of Earl Morgan, who did
an act with bubbles, during, I believe the 1930s. The Tom Noddy book
is simply excellent. The Ormond McGill book is conversely, simply
awful. Best to all, Jeff Busby
Msg #2539 Dated 10:10:49 11-14-90 2535 <--> 2872
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAC KING (X)
Re: DOUBLE FACERS
Hi MAC, how ya doin? Will you be at the Desert Seminar? We are going to
have a special session for MAGIC! computer use. Later, p.b.
Msg #2540 Dated 10:12:10 11-14-90 2537 <--> 2560
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
Got your faxes. Mail to: 31701 S. Hiway One, Gualala, CA 95445.
Check in the mail.
Msg #2546 Dated 12:21:58 11-14-90 -> 2547
From: TIM JACKSON
To: ALL
Re: SILKS FROM NO WHERE
Does any one know where I can gat a copy of Sam Berlin's Silks from
nowhere? Thanks for your help
help.
Msg #2547 Dated 12:42:41 11-14-90 2546 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TIM JACKSON (X)
Re: SILKS FROM NO WHERE
I think it is Sam Berland, not Berlin. Check the Abbott Magic Co in
Colon, MI, I think you can get the nr from info.
Msg #2550 Dated 14:13:22 11-14-90 2524 <--> 2567
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW
Hi, Douglas. The pleasure was mutual, I assure you.
Hacker asked me if I'd mind if he used my picture in the Tinder Box
Newsletter and I consented. Rick is an old friend.
I just spoke to him the other day during a very brief respite from his
latest consuming writing project...(a new book)...but he didn't mention
that the newsletter was out. Sure, I'd like to have a copy to throw
into my files, if you can spare one.
Looking forward to seeing you again at the next ring 21 meeting.
Msg #2553 Dated 16:42:55 11-14-90 -> 2554
From: DAVID SACKS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GREETINGS
My dear Pete.....
I notice, when looking at old messages, that you were asking who the
people were that are signing on to this BBS. Let me introduce myself
My name is David Sacks. I first got involved in magic around 1970,
unfortunately, I reasons not yet disclosed, I didn't continue my
studies or practice. It has only been within the last 1+ years that my
interest has waxed itself. Actually, it's my 3 year old that got me
going again with it. I would do some simple vanishes and
re-appearances of chocolate and her eyes would light up. I got great
pleasure and joy out of it. As such, one thing has led to another and
here I go again. Now, I am inundating myself with it. There is much
to catch up on. !!!!!!! However, magic is like riding a
bicycle, you never forget how, just get a little rusty (or in my case
a LOT). Maybe you could help; I seem to be doing too much at a time.
Was thinking that maybe someone could work with me and keep me from
going beyond !!!!!! Oh yes, I do close-up.
Well, got to run.
Thanks much and talk to you (AND OTHERS, I hope) soon.
David Sacks.
Msg #2554 Dated 16:57:36 11-14-90 2553 <--> 2569
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID SACKS (X)
Re: GREETINGS
OK, here's a plan. Work up 10 minutes of material. Try to keep it 4
minutes of card tricks. And at least 2 minutes of interaction with a
spectator. Such as the sponge balls, where they have to hold or do
something. Get that so it is 2nd nature. Have a logical, ORIGINAL,
opening hunk. Even if it is no more than walking to a table of people
and saying, "I hear there is a magician here, and for a Penny, he will
show you a trick." Get the penny and start going. Maybe you say, "I
meant a Dollar." Then do the Misled trick. Then try to finish off with
one that you cannot top.
This might take some months to devise. It is OK if you go 11 minutes.
But don't for gosh sakes try to do half an hour with the same folks.
If you do a packet trick, for example, have a logical reason to not use
a full deck. I have a think box (cut up real one) that I bring out that
just holds four cards. I say, "I have been accused of not working with
a full deck!" This fits the style I use. If it does not fit you don't
use it. If you like it... RE-WRITE IT... MAKE YOUR OWN VERSION.
Good luck, let us know how you do!
Msg #2555 Dated 17:02:28 11-14-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHERE ARE YOU?
I can't believe it. I log on and nothing from the TABMAN! I had hoped
this would be it for me tonite, as I want to avoid the heavy load time.
I now have PC-Talk set up to keep re-dialing, so as soon as there is a
break, I get online. I am still doing all this stuff ONLINE, like a
dummy. Haven't seen this month's phone bill yet!!
I guess I should do like you do, download all the messages then write
offline. I called the gal in Baltimore, missed her, whe was in a
meeting. I will try again just before I leave for the airport at 6:30
AM, Calie time. Call my hotel Thursday night, if you can. I arrive in
Baltimore on USAir 1144 at 8:28 pm and will cab it to hotel. Later.
Msg #2557 Dated 17:47:24 11-14-90
From: JIM SISTI
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: "FOCUS" REVIEW IN "THE MA
I will put a copy of the latest issue of "The Magic Menu" (the one with
the review) in the mail tomorrow. I think you'll be pleased.
Msg #2560 Dated 18:31:34 11-14-90 2537 <--> 2591
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
I was the one who was really looking for the info on "bubble magic."
Thanks, Jeff.
Msg #2566 Dated 23:14:00 11-14-90 -> 2572
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
Hi y'all I am Steve Kucera, the Wine Country Wizard. I am called the
Wine Country Wizard because I am a magician living in Sonoma Country
where we grow grapes. I was raised in Humboldt County but decide not to
name myself after what we were growing up there.
I rarely fraternize with other magicians, mostly because I dont have
the time. I am heavily invoved in performing magic and have been for
about ten years. I still have a day job as a woodworker but will be
going full time in magic soon.
I have been performing and developing a magic act using wine and wine
bottles. It has been well recieved so far and will likely become my
"trademark" or specialty" act.
I am most interested in trading thoughts, tips and philososphy with
other magician at all levels. I would also like to send videotapes to
the more advnced users for critique.
I will check in here daily, but feel free to call me at 707 578 8920
if you need to contact me by phone for any reason. Hope to hear from
you all very soon.
And remember the first rule of show business: Make sure they get your
name right on the check.
Msg #2567 Dated 1:20:46 11-15-90 2550 <--> 2575
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW
I'll call the office and get one to bring to the next ring meeting. I
am planning to go if I can get my work schedule arranged. I run a
store and Christmas is a busy time for me. If you want I can just
send it to you, or you can stop by the store and pick it up. I'm in the
Beverly Center Store. Leave me a note and let me know.
Talk at you later.
D.L.
Msg #2569 Dated 1:28:14 11-15-90 2553 <--> 2689
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DAVID SACKS (X)
Re: GREETINGS
Greetings David,
I must let you know that you are not alone. I too used do magic in
days gone by....(at least I thought I did). Today 15 years later I
find that I'm feeling like the Tin Man when he was found by Dorothy.
I have been wanting to ask for help with the same. I also like close-up
and sleight of hand. Is there any hope to find guidance(sp) into the
magical arts. There are many things that I find difficult to grasp
from reading it in a book.
Is there a possibility that we can get a tips for tricks section that
will speak to the needs of us that are trying to get good enough that
we too can be proud to say we are "Magicians". Right now I'm scared to
do anything in front of someone else for fear that I will expose the
secrets...unfortuneatly my wife tires of holding this...and guessing how
many are in her hand.
Msg #2572 Dated 6:39:45 11-15-90 2566 <--> 2574
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
Welcome. Got to run to the Airport, it is 3 hours to Oakland from
Gualala, on the Sonoma/Mendocino border, at the coast on hwy 1.
Msg #2574 Dated 14:18:06 11-15-90 2572 <--> 2584
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
Welcome, Steve!
If you are involved in making any of the fine Sonoma vintage wines
vanish, let me be the first to volunteer to have them reappear at MY
house! I'll make them vanish again!
Msg #2575 Dated 14:20:18 11-15-90 2567 <--> 2594
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW
Okay, Douglas. If you can send it, that would be super. Make sure you
include a return address so I can send you a blanker.
P.S. - PLEEEEZ don't talk about Christmas shopping yet! I can't even
BEGIN to deal with it until the last of the Thanksgiving turkey
leftovers are but a memory!
Msg #2577 Dated 14:58:44 11-15-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: VID
It's on its way to you.........
Msg #2581 Dated 16:23:23 11-15-90 -> 2583
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: ALL
Re: GOOD CATALOGS
Since most of you have ten times my experience in magic, I
was just wondering if you could reccommend any worthwhile
catalogs. It seems like there are a million out there and it's
a gamble to send money for all of them (not to mention
expensive). So, if you could just suggest any good ones, I'd
appreciate it. By the way, I already have Tannen's and Hank
Lee's. Thanks,
-Jonathan
Msg #2583 Dated 17:55:46 11-15-90 2581 <--> 2586
From: RICHARD HART
To: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL (X)
Re: GOOD CATALOGS
I know what you mean, there ARE many catalogs out there. I would
suggest perhaps:
Abbott's Magic Manufacturing Co.
Colon, Mi 49040
Catalog #23 (I think it runs $7.50 post paid)
Stevens Magic Emporium
3238 E. Douglas
Wichita, Kansas 67208
(A slick magazine-style catalog, many good effects)
Additionally, if you're interested in magic for kids, I think it would
benefit you to pop $2 in the mail, and get yourself a subscription to
Autumn's Leaflet, published by David Ginn. David is one of America's
top kid show magicians, and each leaflet is chock full of really
excellent kid show magic for sale. Often, he'll run a "special" on
a few effects and you can save mucho dinero. Write him at:
David Ginn
4387 St. Michaels Drive
Lilburn, GA 30247
Another thought, if you are interested in "what's out there" I really
recommend buying a subscription to Dante Larsen's "GENII". Not only
does it contain ads for the latest marketed effects, but includes nice
effects, articles, and a well written new products review by our own
Max Maven. Max's column has certainly helped me out on more than one
occasion.
Hope this helps!
Msg #2584 Dated 18:15:45 11-15-90 2572 <--> 2585
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
Hi Pete. I was glad to see you are on this board as I have read the
Real Works with great enthusiasm. I respect your opinions and would
like a chance to send you a tape if you wouldn't mind taking the time
to give me constructive feedback.
I am in Santa Rosa and produce a weekly variety/comedy show. Let me
know if you would like to attend one night and I will have you on the
guest list. I occasionally do the Wine Act there but it is a tough room
for clasiccal magic.
Msg #2585 Dated 18:20:15 11-15-90 2574 <--> 2606
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
I perform Multum en Parvo where a glass of wine visibly grows into a
half gallon. I have been offered a job by several wineries doint that.
Its kind of interesting how I decided to focus on wine magic. I
called myself the Wine Country Wizard right after moving to this part
of the state. Soon after that everybody was asking if I did magic with
wine. I said no but soon dollar signs were flashing in my brain.
After wndering aimlessly trying to develop my style it has been fun
to concentrate on a specific act. I am now developing a floating wine
bottle that I hope will be a big success. It is the opposite effect of
the floating glass. In this illusion a wine bottle floats above a wine
glass, pouring wine the whole time. Totally s4elf contained and can be
performed surrounded.
I hope we do have a chance to "vanish some wine" together someday.
Msg #2586 Dated 18:28:31 11-15-90 2581 <--> 2681
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL (X)
Re: GOOD CATALOGS
Hi Johnathan. If you are going to be purchasing magic tricks I would
recommend the book "Catalog of Magic" by Marvin Kaye. It offers reviews
of many popular tricks and rates them on effectiveness,price and ease
of performance.
Of course I am of the opinion that it is best to spend your money on
books as opposed to tricks.
I shy away from all Box Magic and try to work only with equipment
that is real looking ( Fantasio candles, canes etc...)
I also have an informal six month rule. A new effect will generally
sot on my shelf for at least six months before I start to incorporate
it into the show. This gives me time to think of novel presentaions.
Best of luck and let me know if you need assistance with anything.
Msg #2587 Dated 20:53:33 11-15-90 -> 2589
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MOVE
Pete, The control you mention in message #2312 was first shown to
me by Bill Simon over thirty years ago. I used to do something
similar: Riffle the end of the deck and have the selection
replaced. Push the card almost all the way in but leave about
1/2 inch extended. Hit the end of the deck apparently driving
home the extended card but really don't push it in. Immediately
turn the deck end for end showing what was previously the inside
end squared. This throws off the smart ones that thought you
smashed the card completely through the deck to an injoged
position. Best regards. Howie.
Msg #2588 Dated 20:54:24 11-15-90
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: SPECIAL CARDS
Dave, The Three Card Monte sets can be ordered in quantity from
Haines House of Cards. Call them at 513/531-6548.
Regards, Howie.
Msg #2589 Dated 22:35:02 11-15-90 2587 <--> 2607
From: RICHARD HART
To: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN (X)
Re: MOVE
So nice to see you on Magic! Greetings, felicitations, and a general
chorus of welcome!
I have a question. Several years ago, a co-worker of mine, Scott
Moore, showed me an effect he said he purchased from you. The effect:
two small multi-colored cubes were shown, along with a small wand.
Each cube had a hole through each, just fitting the wand. The cubes
were stacked, and the wand placed through the holes on the top cube.
A (leather?) three-fold screen with slots for the wand was placed over
the cubes and wand. Then, the wand was pushed down, screen lifted, and
seen to now be through the holes on the bottom cube. Sound familiar?
I would really be interested in purchasing this effect. Scott said he
paid about $50 for it. I sort of fell in love with the thing, and was
wondering if you still marketed this effect. Any help would be most
appreciated!
Thanks.
_richard
Msg #2591 Dated 23:41:32 11-15-90 -> 2599
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
I don't know, It may be, actually, I think it is. Yea, the Castle is a
zoo on the weekends. It's really a shame for first time visitors..
Msg #2592 Dated 23:44:11 11-15-90 -> 2600
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: AL GOSHMAN
Looks like San Diego..................
Msg #2594 Dated 0:10:14 11-16-90 2575 <--> 2643
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW
Wayne,
Just to set your heart at ease...I don't like the idea any better than
you,but it is coming and I have to face reality. I thought it was bad
that they had decorations up on La Cienega Blvd. three weeks ago. When
they decided that Christmas was a chance to commercialize and turn a
buck I became real Bah Humbug about the thing. Besides how can you
have Christmas without any SNOW???
Well now you know what I think of all this "Tis the Season Crap"
Talk to you later
Doug
Msg #2595 Dated 0:21:28 11-16-90 -> 2596
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: ALL
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
I am looking for info on a trick I saw a street performer do in San
Francisco. He had a two dollar bill and showed it both sides then
after telling his story he opened it up to find two one dollar bills.
I am looking for a description of how this works...Any help would be
appreciated. I am looking for other effects with money that can be done
quickly for customers in my store...i.e. they need to be quick to
perform and should not require intricate set-ups. Any Suggestions.
Thanks
Doug
Msg #2596 Dated 0:32:10 11-16-90 2595 <--> 2602
From: TED EGGERS
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Hi Douglas,
I'm not sure from your description if this is what you want, but'
one way to do this is with a thump tip. You would have the dollar
bills folded in the thump tip. You can then switch the 2 with the
two singles and then place the 2 in the thumb tip and ditch the
thumb tip "at the correct time" and leave yourself clean.
I know this is sketchy, but it should give you an idea on how
you could do this. If you need more info just let me know.
Ted Eggers
Msg #2599 Dated 1:24:07 11-16-90 2591 <--> 2609
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
I was told that that particular Saturday was unusually crowded. Was
also at the Castle last night (Wednesday) and my visitor and I had a
great time. Getting to all five shows on a weekday was no problem.
Now, if only I didn't have nine guests for this Saturday nite. A bit
unusual for me, but it will represent the fifth time in eight days that
I will have been there!
Msg #2600 Dated 1:26:00 11-16-90 2592 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: AL GOSHMAN
Thanks for the update, Dante. Any information you can pass along
concerning Dai will be very much appreciated.
Msg #2602 Dated 1:35:20 11-16-90 2596 <--> 2610
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
I saw a nice money effect performed recently that was a switch of a one
dollar bill to a $100 bill. The neat part was that you didn't have to
do the complete switch that Ted Eggers described, but only used the
thumb tip to get rid of the one. It was written up in a set of notes
in August, 1977, by Mike Kozlowski and was called "The Hundred Dollar
Bill Switch." I don't find any address or publisher in the notes, but
there is a "thank you" to Jay Marshall.
Msg #2606 Dated 6:43:25 11-16-90 2584 <--> 2632
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
Send tape to PO Box 1009, Gualala, CA 95445. Not sure what my schdule
is but send me your phone, address, etc. Thanks.
Msg #2607 Dated 6:45:39 11-16-90 2587 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN (X)
Re: MOVE
Thanks. I'm sure that move has been around and re-invented dozens of
times. Best thing... IT REALLY WORKS AND IS EASY TO DO.
Msg #2609 Dated 6:52:39 11-16-90 2599 <--> 2617
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
In the old days, the Weekends were the best, with less crowding, as I
understand that Guest Cards were NG on weekends, you had to be with a
member to attend.
Note: Last night, here in Baltimore, Tabby came by hotel, but we
couldn't find one another. I had gone across street to have a beer and
2 Dozen Oysters!!! Then I got back turned on my laptop and got "BAD OR
MISSING COMMAND INTERPRETOR" and th machine would not boot. Luckily, I
had the TECH Support phone nr. and at 8:30 this morning, they talkedme
thru a "trick" cold boot, and got me to copy the Command.com file from
ROM, to the C: drive and 'WHEW' am back in biz. Be in touch. Adios.
Msg #2610 Dated 6:55:49 11-16-90 2595 <--> 2611
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
This is a common effect. You might cntact Magic Inc. 5082 N. Lincoln,
Chicago, IL 60625 (phone 312-EDI-BULL) they have a book on Money Magic.
Msg #2611 Dated 6:56:48 11-16-90 2596 <--> 2620
From: PETE BIRO
To: TED EGGERS (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
The trick referred to is not with a thumb tip, but in the way the
bill(s) are folded.
Msg #2617 Dated 9:51:11 11-16-90 2540 <--> 2618
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
No prob. Stuff on the way. Thanks. By the way, for the bubble
enthusiasts, there is also a video available. Can't vouch for the
quality of this, as I haven't seen it: "Magical Bubble Creations" from
We Be Twistin, 4410 So. Reade, Tacoma, WA 98409. Costs $35.00
postpaid. There's another thing called "Professor Bubble's Bubble
Handbook" on the market, but again,, haven't seen it. Regards. Jeff
Busby
Msg #2618 Dated 9:54:06 11-16-90 2560 <--> 2623
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
Oh, sorry David. Well, the info is all there for everyone.
Msg #2620 Dated 10:01:30 11-16-90 2596 <--> 2636
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TED EGGERS (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
The trick you're discussing belongs to Lu Brent -- Boleslaw Lubrant --
and is currently marketed through some dealers. I thin Brad Burt's
Shop in San Diego is selling it. Ammar had a version in "Encore 3"
that is quite good. It's also in one of the Mentzer "Close-up
Cavalcade" volumes. It's been around a long time.
Msg #2623 Dated 11:29:58 11-16-90 2617 <--> 2626
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
To all Bubble workers. Don't forget Finn Jon's great stuff. All
availablefrom Joe Stevens. Finn's stuff is more Magical than just the
jugglery type stuff of Noddy (whichhis GREAT) ET AL.
Msg #2626 Dated 12:16:49 11-16-90 2609 <--> 2627
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
Guest cards to the Castle can now be used on Friday nights, but not on
Saturday nights. So Friday is more often a "zoo." I'm told that it
was somewhat unusual that a Saturday night was so crowded - it may have
even topped Friday's crowd!
Sorry to hear that you had a computer problem. Sounds like you lost a
byte in the FAT table. Interesting that there is a fix for it built
into the NEC -- that's good planning.
Msg #2627 Dated 12:19:44 11-16-90 2617 <--> 2628
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
Thanks for the bubble info! I think I'm the lone bubble enthusiast on
here, but being able to get info is great.
Msg #2628 Dated 12:21:12 11-16-90 2623 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BUBBLE MAGIC
Yes, I know about the Fin Jon stuff from Stevens. There are some
factors in bubble magic's favor -- blowing up 400 bubbles is a LOT
easier than blowing up 400 balloons!
Msg #2632 Dated 14:09:17 11-16-90 2606 <--> 2646
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
THanks Pete. Expext a tape shortly followed by a new one in mid
January. Looking forward to your opinion on my work.
I know from your column that you are a huge fan of the Zombie
effects. I am working on a routine where I do a Zombie routine with a
live cat. Hope you like it. ( Just kidding of course. Your opinion of
the Zombie is quite well known)
Msg #2636 Dated 15:20:00 11-16-90 2595 <--> 2644
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Arnold Furst has a great trick in which he takes a blank piece of paper
and folds it up and then when opened it becomes a real dollar bill.
With a little modification it could be used to do what you said and I
am working on this but am having trouble finding two dollar bills. If
anyone has any sources or suggestions let me know.
Msg #2639 Dated 15:54:47 11-16-90 -> 2641
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FOCUS
Hello Max. You probably don't know me, but I am 15 and live in
Sacramento. I am also a member of SAM and IBM. I have read ads for
your newly published book, Focus, and I was wondering if the illusions
in the book used a full deck or packet tricks. The reason I ask is
that I have a liking towards packet tricks and was wondering if that
was what your book deals with. Thank you.
Vincent Hancock
Msg #2641 Dated 18:45:10 11-16-90 2639 <--> 2680
From: MAX MAVEN
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: FOCUS
"Focus" contains 60 items, most of which use packets rather than the
full deck. Some of the material requires gimmicked cards (mostly
standard things like double-facers), but the majority is done with
ordinary cards.
Msg #2642 Dated 19:33:52 11-16-90 -> 2801
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
I got roped into doing a somewhat large show for charity. It will be
for approximately 50 kids and 150 or more adults. The problem is, I do
mostly closeup work such as cards and coins for adults! I went ahead
and purchased the Sucker Die Box and Don Allan's Comedy Egg Can. Does
anyone have any other ideas or advice for me? I didn't want to spend
a whole lot more money for just one show. (Actually, I have spent over
$150 for materials so far) I skimmed through the book "Kid Biz" in the
Magic Castle library, but if anyone can give me any advice on how to
survive this I would greatly appreciate it!
Also, I wanted to do a torn and restored paper type trick. I was
going to use a thumbtip to ditch the paper as it only measures about
5X8 but it won't fit. Any ideas? Thanks very much!!
Msg #2643 Dated 19:54:50 11-16-90 2594 <--> 2812
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW
Well, Douglas...
I haven't found any snow effects yet in Tarbell's, or any of the other
general magic books....hmmm...maybe Marlo has a snow effect with torn
cards...with twenty-six variations!
Msg #2644 Dated 19:57:54 11-16-90 2595 <--> 2698
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Douglas...
I seem to remember something like that from Fulves...I'll check it out
and let you know.
Regards.
Msg #2645 Dated 20:01:18 11-16-90 -> 2647
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: WINE
Steve...
Your floating wine bottle effect sounds like a winner! Let me know how
it turns out. Good luck.
Msg #2646 Dated 20:07:43 11-16-90 2632 <--> 2748
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
Its OK to use a live cat, as long as you don't use the cat's gut to
emulate Norm Nielsen's music from his floating violin.
Msg #2647 Dated 20:09:42 11-16-90 2645 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WINE
Fred Kaps used to do a Champagne effect, where the bottle's cork popped
open and flew across stage to him -- etc. etc. put on your thinking cap
and good luck.
Msg #2650 Dated 21:09:59 11-16-90 -> 2669
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To: ALL
Re: LIMITED EDITIONS
For anyone interested, I've uploaded a file called HOWIE-01.txt with
some descriptions of some of our best and newest items for sale. I
will do this from time to time depending on the response. Meanwhile,
it' nice to be with you all. Howie.
Msg #2658 Dated 23:25:52 11-16-90
From: JIM SISTI
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: CANADIAN ISSUE
David Acer knows that I connect with you from time to time on this BBS
and asked me to inquire of you if you received the materials from him
for the Canadian issue of GENII? Also, I am putting the latest copy of
"The Magic Menu" in the mail to you personally, along with the
restaurant magic articles for GENII that we discussed lo these many
weeks ago. I got behind schedule on this particular project because we
just upgraded the software for the newsletter and I've been taking a
crash course in typesetting, etc. I'll be in touch. Let me know about
the Acer materials.
Msg #2659 Dated 23:54:05 11-16-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGICDB
Randy Lund has created and uploaded what may be a magician's dream - a
show, effect, and library database program designed just for magicians!
I've only tested it a little bit, but I'm impressed! It has all the
nice features -- pull-down menus, mouse support, etc. It is for IBM
and clones and it is shareware. Shareware means that if you like it
you should sent a small payment to Randy. Obviously, with a small
audience, this means that you have to be sure that you send that
payment in, but I think that if this thing was in a nice box, etc.,
etc. you'd pay a LOT more for it than he's asking.
The program and the documentation are in the MAGIC! files area. For
those of you who don't remember, from the Main Menu...
o Type F for Files and press the ENTER key.
o Type L;13 (the letter L followed by a semi-colon [;]
followed by te "MAGIC! number" 13) and press the ENTER
key to see the list of files.
There are two files to download...
MAGICDB.EXE - The program itself
MAGICDB.TXT - The documentation
Something tells me that this is gonna make MAGIC! harder than ever to
connect to this week, but it sure looks like it's gonna be worth it!
Thanks, Randy and Marilyn!
Msg #2661 Dated 0:05:41 11-17-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ON-LINE CATALOG
Howie Schwarzman has uploaded a "mini-catalog" to the files section.
It is downloadable as HOWIE-01.TXT. Take a look at it.
Msg #2663 Dated 0:28:42 11-17-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: VPIC30.ZIP
Dennis Debondt has uploaded a new version of VPIC, a picture viewer for
a variety of different formats (GIF/PCX/TARGA/TIF/IFF/etc.). It can be
used by those with IBM/clones and EGA/VGA monitors. It is an upgrade
to VPIC25 that was previously in the MAGIC! files area. The new file
is named VPIC30.ZIP.
Msg #2665 Dated 7:42:22 11-17-90 -> 2666
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SYSOP
Re: HOOKUP
Yo..yep we finally made the hookup. Pete rigged his phone not to
ring in his room and bribed the hotel not to give any messages to
me so I couldn't find him, but I bribed (bigger) the switchboard
operator to ring his room while he was hiding there..so lo and
behold..the biro and the tabman meet finally. Sure is a handsome
and supernice guy (I already knew that). Pete showed me how to
split cards - well actually a matchbox - but as the girl said
"all is the same." Now, theres a couple more guys I want to meet
up with to complete the photo - like you, Mr. Sysop, but I will
get my chance, good lord willin, in march...been kinda quiet this
week, but don't let that bother you, I'm here for the long
haul...trying to reloate a centurys old household is staggering,
but should be much to the better all the way around. I'll have
more time to devote to MAGIC! especially in Nashville with
availability to PC-Pursuit...Best,..tabman.....
Msg #2666 Dated 11:31:43 11-17-90 2665 <--> 2668
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HOOKUP
Glad that you and Pete got together. Yes, he is definitely one of the
"good guys." (As are you). It certainly hasn't been quiet around here
this week! Tonite I will be at the Castle for the fifth time in eight
days. And the message base is already ready for me to create MAGIC-05,
a lovely 4 hour job (creating the file takes 10 minutes, clearing the
messages, making the backups, etc. takes the remaining 3 hours 50
minutes). Hope to get it done this weekend. Have you seen Randy
Lund's MAGICDB yet? It looked pretty impressive to me.
Msg #2668 Dated 12:02:13 11-17-90 2666 <--> 2671
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HOOKUP
No, haven't had much time. This is my last weekend on the road til next
year and I'm tying up loose ends....As are you..thanks for all your
hard work and time devoted to MAGIC!. Centuries in the future when
books and paper had crumbled (except to a few archivists) all
information will be available from databases and message centers
accessable only via terminal and access. This is the beginning of the
world wide magic database and message center which has the potential of
tying the entire magic community (diversified as it is) together...I'm
very proud and happy to be a part of its early history..thanks
again....tabman...
Msg #2669 Dated 13:36:08 11-17-90 2650 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN (X)
Re: LIMITED EDITIONS
To all: I am here with Howie Schwarzman and Obie O'brien in "Howie's
Dungeon" (Dung Pile -- his words) Actually we are looking at some of
the most exclusive and wonderful magic anywhere. Not the junk Howie
sells, but the Himber and Merv Taylor stuff (not to mention the amazing
hand crafted magic of Eddy Taytlebaum).
Any time you hit town (Baltimore) and you don't call Howie to come
visit, he will be "Pixxed". Adios.
Msg #2671 Dated 13:41:37 11-17-90 2666 <--> 2688
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HOOKUP
AW shucks you guys. knock off the accolades. Altho I deserve 'em.
Msg #2673 Dated 18:51:02 11-17-90 -> 2685
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: ALL
Re: MIKE AMMAR NORTHEAST LECT
Let me introduce myself first. My name is Dennis Pierce, I
hail from Connecticut and have been active in MGK for the last eighteen
years. I have monitored messages for the last several weeks and find
the information interesting, applicable, and at times very humerous.
Enough with the introduction, I had the fortunate opportunity to see
Ammars lecture in Groton, CT. The turnout was about 35 magicians from
the eastern part of the state. Mike started at 8:00pm and went till
12:15am. Packed with many of Mikes special twists, inventions, and
stories from his appearances on Carson and Merv. Well worth seeing if
you get the opportunity.
I'll be monitoring messages only on Saturday nights, very
busy schedule. Take care.
Msg #2676 Dated 21:05:55 11-17-90
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: GENII
I just wanted to thank you for the copy of Genii magazine you
sent me. I just recieved it and I really enjoyed reading it.
Thanks, Jonathan
Msg #2678 Dated 21:19:18 11-17-90 -> 2686
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: ALL
Re: KID TRICK
Here's a good card trick for a kid's party:
--All you need are two identical decks. Befor you start the
show, take two cards from one deck and put them in your shoe.
You are finished with the first deck. Now, just locate the two
corresponding cards in the other deck and put them either on
top or bottom of the deck.
--Using any method, force the two cards on two different
volentunteers. Have the cards shuffled into the deck.
--State that by stepping on the deck, you will make the two
chosen cards come to the top of the deck
--With the foot that has the cards in it, step on the deck
--Turn over the top two cards and smile triumphantly, as if
you have just found their cards
--When they tell you that those are not the cards that they
picked, appear suprized and say "Oh,no! - I must have stepped
too hard on the deck.
--Show your hands to be empty. Now, take off your shoe and
note that there are two cards inside. When you put them in
your shoe at the beginning, they should be face down.
--Reach into your shoe and show that their two reely"
selected cards have gone into your shoe!
--Bow
If you have any questions or comments, feel free to leave
me a note.
--- Jonathan Kaufthal
Msg #2680 Dated 21:46:43 11-17-90 2641 <-
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FOCUS
Ok, thanks Max.
Msg #2681 Dated 23:29:34 11-17-90 2581 <--> 3366
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL (X)
Re: GOOD CATALOGS
Try Abbotts, they have quite a extensive catalog
Msg #2685 Dated 1:49:48 11-18-90 2673 <--> 2735
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: MIKE AMMAR NORTHEAST LECT
Thanks for your review of Ammar's lecture. He will be at the Magic
Castle the week after Thanksgiving to perform, but isn't listed as
lecturing at the Castle. Does anyone know the rest of his lecture
schedule?
Msg #2686 Dated 1:53:02 11-18-90 2678 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL (X)
Re: KID TRICK
Nice effect, Jonathan! A good contribution. I'm gonna have my two
year old try it with a miniature deck -- he thinks its fun to take his
shoes off, this could work that into the act!
Msg #2688 Dated 11:17:54 11-18-90 2668 <--> 2717
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HOOKUP
HEAR HEAR!!! THREE CHEERS FOR THE SYSOP!!!!! Tabby I think you have
hit the nail on the head about the future of Magic. I am a computer
software specialist "IN REAL LIFE" and I believe that it is time for
Magicians to enter this new age of computers. If the art is to survive
we as magicians must embrace the new technologies. At my place of work
I am called THE WIZARD, this is not because I am a magician because few
people know that, but because I know computers and can fix most
problems. When people find out that I am a magician they usually
say,"Thats why you can make computers work". But more than that we need
to as magicians stay current with the times. This BBS provides an
excellent medium to that end.
Msg #2689 Dated 11:39:11 11-18-90 2554 <--> 2692
From: DAVID SACKS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GREETINGS
thank you. I appreciate the advice. I think I can do that. Maybe if
the opportunity arises I could do it for you and ??????. How does that
strike you. Guess we need to be in the same area so that we could get
together. At the very least, how about my going over with you what I
develope? Thanks again.
Have a good one.
David.
Msg #2692 Dated 11:43:54 11-18-90 2569 <--> 2703
From: DAVID SACKS
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: GREETINGS
Doug
Where do you hail from. If you are in the LA area maybe we can get
together and start helping each other?????? And who knows maybe there
are others who are in the same fix that we are in. or that matter
maybe there are more seasoned professionals who would be willing to
also get inolved----maybe this could worked into somthing more than a
magic club, say for example, a magic workshop or (shades of Chavez) a
magic school. Who knows. Let me hear what you think.
Also, is anyone out there reading this --- please let me hear from you.
Thanks to all. Lets keep magic in the forefront of the arts, and do
for each other what we can.
THANKS to all.
David
Msg #2693 Dated 12:15:24 11-18-90 -> 2723
From: DAVID SACKS
To: ALL
Re: BEYOND "MAGIC"
Does anyone out there have interests in "RE|AL" magic? By that I refer
to things such as telekinesis, ESP, etc. It seems to me that this
stuff should exist, but yet it is extremely difficult to prove.
I also feel that those interested in magic would also have some
interest in these areas of study. I know that I do.
I feel that the mind can, when properly trained, should be able to do
amazing things. The question becomes, "How does the mind become
properly trained?". Maybe such things as mediation or yoga can help.
I for one do try to mediate regularly, but so far nothing. Maybe it
takes a life time; maybe the environment is wrong; ??????
Any thoughts.
Msg #2698 Dated 17:28:38 11-18-90 2596 <--> 2699
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: TED EGGERS (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Thanks for the idea, But the fellow I saw do it brought back the two
after re-folding the two singles. All folded up the back of the two
and the back of the ones look very similar. I will keep working on it
Thanks.........Doug
Msg #2699 Dated 17:31:12 11-18-90 2602 <--> 2700
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Thanks for the reply... I will continue my search. I don't know if it
is possible for me to use hundreds yet...I couldnt afford to vanish
one and not be able to find it.
Thanks.........Doug
Msg #2700 Dated 17:36:20 11-18-90 2636 <--> 2701
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Darrell,
I just got 4 reasonably new 2's from my bank. You need to get to know
someone that works in a bank and ask them to watch for them.
Another way is just to keep asking whenever you visit the teller.
......Doug
Msg #2701 Dated 17:38:39 11-18-90 2644 <--> 2704
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
I'll wait to hear from you. BTW I am just getting your newsletter
sent off now. I forgot to take your address with to work on Fri or
Sat and didn't know if I could remeber it all correct so I have to
send it tomorrow.
Thanks.........Doug
Msg #2703 Dated 17:55:45 11-18-90 2692 <--> 2738
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DAVID SACKS (X)
Re: GREETINGS
Greetings David,
I live right here in LaLa land, actually I live in Glendale. I work at
the Tinder Box store in the Beverly Center. I would welcome the ideas
that you expressed. I have been trying to attend Ring meetings and
lectures whenever possible. I have decided it's time to quit "playing"
with magic and get more serious about it. Any help that is offered is
most appreciated.
Thanks.........Doug
Msg #2704 Dated 18:35:25 11-18-90 2698 <--> 2710
From: TED EGGERS
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Just for your information, the person I saw perform this was Bob
Jardine downstairs in the Magic Castle Pub. He asked for a $10.00
and changed it for two fives. He would keep asking if it had left
their sight and of course the answer would be no. Good trick.
Msg #2710 Dated 23:08:22 11-18-90 2699 <--> 2763
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Just after giving you the info on the hundred dollar bill effect, I saw
it done by Flash Covington. He did it very nicely. While you do have
a lot of cash tied up in the effect (I guess that at today's rates the
hundred is costing about $1 - $1.50 a month to keep in the act) the
nice part is that you vanish the one, not the $100. Flash also does a
nice effect with a borrowed $100 bill. He has the audience member sign
it, then he vanishes it. Then he gives the audience member a choice of
any one of three envelopes, promising that each contains a "sweet
surprise." Inside the envelope is a packet of sugar. Flash opens the
pack and produces the signed hundred. A nice variation on the more
traditional "sour" version.
This week I also got to see one of our MAGIC! members, David Yee,
perform. David does a VERY NICE close-up act with EXCELLENT patter and
facial expressions. He has several unique effects, using a lot of
props. I saw him perform twice this week, once with fellow magi and
once with lay people, and both groups liked him very much.
Congratulations, David!
Msg #2717 Dated 7:05:45 11-19-90 2688 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: HOOKUP
The Sysop spends a couple of hours a day working for us
here. Though I write a lot, if for some reason I don't feel like
writing for a couple of days I can do it, for the Sysop the same
isn't true. He's gotta monitor the system to make sure its
working right for us all.
Many books today (and valuable reprints and remakes) are
being printed on acid free paper using archival bindery methods
which should insure their (the books) lasting a couple of
centuries. I've got books here that were printed in the 1940s
that are brittle and brown and are destined to decompose slowly.
Many of the most desirable volumes today are expensive and are of
small (250 to 500 or 1000) press runs and most probably fall into
the hands of collectors rather than performers so they're really
of little value to the "in the trenches" magicians.
MAGIC!'s value is in the common ground meeting of
archivists, performers, historians, inventors, authors,
professional and amateur magicians. Most common in everyone here
is their desire to contribute to the art and craft and foremost
is their love of magic and magicians.
MAGIC! is indeed fortunate to have great givers on line.
Persons who share because they know that is the way for the art
to survive and grow. Those so protective of their secrets will
feel their secrets die with them. As the paper crumbles - and it
eventually will - binary data can last as long as its handled
properly.
We're building the databank that magicians will refer to
and add to for centuries to come. Now that most books are being
written by word processors and pcs (binary) it would be a simple
matter to place entire libraries complete with illustrations on
optical disks. Authors could publish without ever seeing paper,
ink or glue. You could "buy a book" simply by sending your credit
number and downloading the info direct.
With the advent of the scanner entire "lost" or one of a
kind volumes that rest in lonely collections can be put into
binary for instant purusal. It should be done before any
additional data is lost to the ravages of time.
The lone wolf need be lone no longer.......tabman..
Msg #2718 Dated 8:27:00 11-19-90
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: LINKING OTHER BBS'ES TO M
David,
.
I did some research in the field of BBS'ing, and in order to exchange
messages between 2 BBS'es you have 2 options:
o Echomail, non private messaging
o Netmail, private message system
.
To accomplish this you need a front end mailer, like Frontdoor or
Dbridge and have to assign yourself a node number.
With these systems you schedule events to take place and can
automatize the exchange of messages.
.
My question to you is if you are fimiliar with those mailers and
if you see possibilities to use them. It will also prepare us to
link other magic BBS systems in the (hopefully near future).
.
Please let me know what you think about it...
.
Regards,
Arnaud
Msg #2719 Dated 8:29:48 11-19-90 -> 2762
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: MY BBS
David,
The dutch BBS is now very near to its start.
I am still defining all my screens (what an amount of work...
you warned me).
I use Remote access as BBS siftware.
About naming.
Do you have any problems if I call the dutch version MAGIC!-NL? By this
we can set a standard for future systems (MAGIC!-JP, MAGIC!-GB).
See you
Arnaud
Msg #2721 Dated 10:16:13 11-19-90 -> 2743
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HAMMAN EFFECT!
Max (or anybody) I have forgotten the routine of Hamman's where you
show 4 Aces in one pile, 4 Queens in another. And one by one they
change. Is this in his new book? And maybe if I phone you could you
give me a bare bones description? Or on here? Don't go to any trouble
or expense. Be talkin' atcha.
Msg #2723 Dated 15:45:31 11-19-90 2693 <--> 2726
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: DAVID SACKS (X)
Re: BEYOND "MAGIC"
Well I am always interested in exploring the realm of "real magic." I
have friends that tell me that there are documented reports of ESP and
telekinesis, but I have never seen them. I probably would have to see
it and be convinced, because, yes, it would be a very difficult thing
to prove because there are so many ways to "demonstrate" ESP. Just
look at all the mental effects on the magic market. Just another
unknown to me, however.
Vincent Hancock
Msg #2724 Dated 15:49:06 11-19-90 -> 2727
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: ALL
Re: PERFORMING
I am kind of in a jam and don't know what to do. I was wondering if
any of you might be able to help me out. This last Fri. I was asked to
do a magic show for a boy's birthday party. I went ahead and did it,
but I was and am not, happy with the illusions that children
understand. I like performing a bit more complex illusions, like card
magic and money magic. In other words, close-up magic. My problem is,
I don't know how to perform for the public, as that is primarily what
magic is to do (isn't it?). I perform at most of the IBM and SAM
meetings but when it comes to the rest of the world...
Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated.
Vincent Hancock
Msg #2726 Dated 15:57:04 11-19-90 2723 <--> 2788
From: PETE BIRO
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: BEYOND "MAGIC"
For documentation on the fact there is no Santa Claus, No Easter Bunny,
No Free Lunch, contact Ray Hyman (I think he is a professor at a
University up in Oregon, a friend of Jerry Andrus, etc. and a real nic
nice guy). He keeps track of that kind of stuff. And to date, he and
his associates have found NO mindreaders, Spoonbenders or Spellbinders
exist. Sorry.s Altho Doug Henning DID see a Unicorn in HIS
garden.
]
Msg #2727 Dated 15:59:52 11-19-90 2724 <--> 2750
From: PETE BIRO
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: PERFORMING
The best approach to learning to perform for real people, as opposed to
magicians (they react in the wrong places) is just to DO IT. Start with
simple stuff, easy to understand plots. Nothing that you have to worry
about the trick, the moves, angles, etc. Don't work more than 5 or 6
minutes at a time. Leave them wanting more. Don't push yourself onto
people. They don't always want to be entertained. I remember when I was
a kid I would think of a card trick, run in to one of my parents and no
matter what they were doing say, "Take a card!" My dad finally said,
"Its OK most of the time, but when I'm sitting on the toilet, forget
the magic!" Have I helped?
Msg #2728 Dated 16:14:36 11-19-90 -> 2770
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: REPLY
Hey TC: Glad I found you. Didn't have your address or any way to get in
touch with you. What a Blast in Rochester Huh? If you are interested in
the FFFF convention let me know. I think we talked about it briefly.
Howie could probably give you the scoop on it.
Anyway, Thanks for the address. I'll keep in touch.
Msg #2735 Dated 19:23:26 11-19-90 2685 <--> 2754
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MIKE AMMAR NORTHEAST LECT
Mike is appearing in Little Rock Ark tonight (Monday) and will be
lecturing in Tulsa, Okla on Tuesday....I am not sure where he will be
lecturing (if anywhere) on Wednesday, but he is due back in Austin on
Thursday (info from Hanna by phone this evening). He will be at Castle
starting Monday Nov 27th thru December 2nd. Will try to post his
future lecture schedule after Thanksgiving.....
Msg #2738 Dated 20:07:22 11-19-90 2703<--> 2773
From: DAVID SACKS
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: GREETINGS
Started to leave you a message not more then 5 minutes ago hit the
wrong key combination and disconnected myself. Pretty tricky; not many
people can do that. Oh well. What I was saying was that I live in
Highland Park and work in Glendale at Brand & Lexington, so don't be
surprised if you get a visitor at the Tinder Box in the near future.
Now, the important stuff. How do we start anything happening; that is,
getting together, etc with others to advance the art and ourselves?
Think about it & so will I.
How about anyone else how might read this.
Thanks one and all.
Talk to you later Doug,
David
Msg #2739 Dated 20:17:31 11-19-90
From: DAVID SACKS
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
Charlie,
My name is David Sacks and I have been dealing with Richard re some
books. He was going to get me some prices (or confirm them) from you.
There was some Marlo stuff, etc. Can you get with him and let me know
what the story is. Thanks.
Also, when will you be uploading the new list to the BBS.
I look forward to it.
Thanks again.
David
Msg #2740 Dated 20:23:55 11-19-90 -> 2756
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: SPONGE BALLS
Dave, to restore life to those dead sponge spheres merely get them wet
with water, ring them out and let them dry. Voila! Howie.
Msg #2741 Dated 20:25:22 11-19-90
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: TRICK
Rich, The trick to which you refer is The Cube of Cagliostro and is not
available at this time. If it comes in again I will let you know.
REgards, Howie.
Msg #2742 Dated 20:28:51 11-19-90 -> 2786
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL (X)
Re: ORDER
Many thanks for your valued order. The merchandise will be shipped
complete VIA UPS this week. Regards, HS.
Msg #2743 Dated 20:51:52 11-19-90 2721 <--> 2747
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HAMMAN EFFECT!
Pete: The trick is the "Underground Transposition." Off the top of my
head I'm pretty sure it appeared in Kabbala. Basically, you displace
one ace and one queen, then show a series of transpositions via some
Elmsley Counts and a positional bluff. I'll try to locate the exact
reference in my library later tonight.
Msg #2745 Dated 20:55:55 11-19-90 -> 2746
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: INTERVIEW
Thanks for sending the magazine. Yes, I'd be willing to do some sort of
interview by mail. I'll be leaving the country in about a week, so no
promises as to how soon I can get back to you, but drop me a line with
the questions and we'll see where it goes from there.
Msg #2746 Dated 21:16:44 11-19-90 2745 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: INTERVIEW
Thanks for replying so quickly. I will send along some questions soon
and will be patient for the replys. I am honored that you would
reserve some time for omy modest effort. If I may ask, what did you
think of "The Magic Menu?" Do you think it may fill a niche in the
world of magician's publications?
Msg #2747 Dated 21:21:37 11-19-90 2721 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HAMMAN EFFECT!
The trick is "Underground Transposition" and originally appeared in
Racherbaumer's 'Kabbala' (Vol. 1, No. 7). It was reprinted in
Kaufman's "Secrets of Bro. John Hamman." If you're interested in an
update of the trick (and a better way of handling the original plot),
check out Paul Harris' "Reset" from 'Super Magic." "Reset" owes much
to the Hamman trick, but still is one of the best packet tricks with
ungaffed cards I've ever seen. Best...Jim
Msg #2748 Dated 21:44:26 11-19-90 2566 <--> 2760
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
Welcome to MAGIC!. You're right it is better to be named after the
SECOND most popular crop up there. What type of woodworking do you do?
Msg #2750 Dated 22:52:35 11-19-90 2727 <--> 2759
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: PERFORMING
If its any consolation, Vincent, in addition to magic, I produce
software. I enjoy working on complex exotic never-been-done-before
stuff, but I MAKE MONEY off of simple, easy to understand, products. I
agree with Pete -- lay people like things they can understand,
something vanished here and appeared there. Magi like things they
CAN'T understand -- "He vanished it, but he didn't use a thumb tip, so
he must have..."
Msg #2754 Dated 23:46:22 11-19-90 2735 <--> 2871
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: MIKE AMMAR NORTHEAST LECT
Thanks for the info on Mike Ammar's schedule. In addition to seeing
him perform at the Castle (I plan to be there on the Wednesday evening
of his week) I would love to attend one of his lectures. I'm sure that
other MAGIC! members would be very interested in his lecture schedule
as well.
Msg #2756 Dated 23:51:44 11-19-90 2740 <--> 2765
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN (X)
Re: SPONGE BALLS
Wow! Thanks for the sponge restoration tip. I'd assumed that there
would only be some complicated method, like keeping them in pure
nitrogen or something.
Msg #2757 Dated 23:53:41 11-19-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: STORM IN L.A.
A few minutes ago (Monday, November 19, 1990, approx. 11:30 p.m.
Pacific time) we experienced a brief power failure due to a local
storm. Long downloads from the files are probably not a good idea
until at least Tuesday morning.
Msg #2759 Dated 0:26:00 11-20-90 2724 <--> 2789
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: PERFORMING
Magicians as a rule want to be dazzled, impressed by "difficult" moves
and want to see nine hundred ways to d -o the same thing. - Lay
audiences really want one thing the most and that is to be entertained.
The fellows before me mentioned some of the basics such as doing
simple and direct -magic. Also be sure -to sprinkle your performance
with amusing bits that will make the audience like you as a person.
Try to have a beginning, middle and end to your routines and your
whole performance.
Avoid challenging your -audience or offending them with your
"powers"
Work with as many ordinary objects as possible. Folks love to see
magic with things they are familiar with.
good luck. And yes I do believe that magic is for performing "out there
in the real world". Just bundle up so you dont catch a cold and wear
clean underwear.
Msg #2760 Dated 0:36:48 11-20-90 2748 <--> 2806
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
Professionally I build massa -ge tables for therapists . My day job is
quickly becoming a thing of the past as my career in entertainment is
starting to rev up.
Of course my real woodworking interest lies in producing magic
effects.
Msg #2762 Dated 0:43:29 11-20-90 2719 <--> 3207
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MY BBS
Wow! When you take a project in hand you really get the job done! I'm
passing the info on message transfers over to programming. Will let
you know what they say. Will also want to come up with some "notes"
for you regarding naming, file transfer, etc. Will have a message for
you in a few days.
Congratulations, Sysop! I'm looking forward to calling the new system!
Msg #2763 Dated 1:34:39 11-20-90 2701 <--> 2764
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Doug,
I haven't had time to do much looking beyong briefly...I just came
across a routine like that, but I can't seem to locate the source...
hopefully, I'll have some time over this holiday week and I'll get it
for you.
Msg #2764 Dated 1:58:09 11-20-90 2704 <--> 2807
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: TED EGGERS (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Ya, but do you know whe can buy the trick or the explanation etc, etc
I thought it was a great effect.
Msg #2765 Dated 2:10:27 11-20-90 2740 <-
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN (X)
Re: SPONGE BALLS
wonder if you can tell us what happens to super soft sponges when
they get wet someone told me they expand and get a different feel to
them... any comments.
Thanks.........Doug
Msg #2766 Dated 6:36:08 11-20-90 -> 2768
From: RICHARD STREET
To: ALL
Re: LECTURE
Jay Sankey will be lecturing at the Nashville, Tn. Magic club on
December 3, 1990 at 7:00 p.m. Admission $10.00. If you are going to
be in the Nashville area and would like to attend, leave me a message
and I'll give you directions, etc. Thanks..
Msg #2768 Dated 7:45:30 11-20-90 2766 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD STREET (X)
Re: LECTURE
Richard, saw Jay in Rochester, NY and he's worth
catching. He gives away a lot. He's promoting his new book for
Kaufman and Greenberg, 100% Sankey, but that's what its all
about.
I wanted to make contact because we're (family and
business) moving to the Nashville area in 1991 and hope you can
get me on the Nashville Magic Club mailing list so I'll know
whats going on when we get there. Tabman, P.O. Box 590, Charlotte
Hall, MD 20622
We're looking at farms an hour or so west of town. I work
in the music biz as a manager and publisher and was in Hermitage
til four years ago when we took over the "old home place" in
Maryland...will be selling (or leasing) the old home place and
getting a "new home place" down in Tennessee. Looking forward to
getting back.....its sad when a Tennessee Pride sausage
commercial on tv makes you cry.........
Msg #2770 Dated 8:42:21 11-20-90 2728 <-
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: REPLY
Pete:
Ok, and thank you.
Msg #2772 Dated 8:44:58 11-20-90 -> 2802
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Tabby: If you send Obie a check, he will put you on the waiting list.
Chances are you will be one of the first. Pete Biro said on here that
you talked with Obie. So, I assume you are all set. If not, let me
know. Between Ray, Lou, Howie, and myself there shouldn't be a problem.
I will get in touch will Gallo and tell him to get on here.
Hardly ever get your way. Once in a while I get to Washington,
D.C. That is about the closest, I would guess. Most of my work seems to
be in the same old cities. Chicago, Atlanta, Vegas, etc....They are the
cities that usually have the larger shows. However, if I do get your
way, I'll certainly get in touch. Keep me posted on the FFFF deal.
Msg #2773 Dated 10:40:53 11-20-90 2738 <--> 2827
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID SACKS
Re: GREETINGS
For those of you in the Los Angeles area that are interested in getting
togather to advance the art of magic, learn magic, or just plain
fellowship with other magicians, you are as I have stated before, ALL
INVITED to attend the RING 21 magic meetings at the WATTLES MANSION on
the first Thursday of every month. If you would like more information
on meeting times and agenda write me on this BBS, or COMPUSERV MEMBER
7504,3200, or Call the RING 21 President Joe Selph at (213) 660-2998.
We would love to have some new blood in the group. I should also
mention that amateurs as well as professional are welcome.
Hope to see you all there!!!!!!!!!
Darrell Murphy
The Guy Behind The Camera
Msg #2775 Dated 12:01:01 11-20-90 -> 2814
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: REPLY
Max. Jim Sisti hit me with all the info (you probably read his
message) re Hamman's great effect. You don't do the stuff for a
year and Senility sets in! During our meetings this past weekend
in Baltimore setting up the IBM convention facilities, OBIE did
his handling of Sidewalk Shuffle and I couldn't even remember how
to do the trick, let alone show him some handling Kaps had given
me! Can't wait to settle in somewhere and UNPACK! Thanks for your
reply!
Msg #2776 Dated 12:01:40 11-20-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: REPLY/GRACIAS
To: Jim Sisti! Many thanks for the info. I, unfortunately, have
all the Kabballa's in storage and am somewhat holding off buying
anything right now as I may have to move again in the next few
months. If it wouldn't be TOO MUCH trouble, could you photocopy
the Hamman info to me? If you have a fax use 707-884-4425. No
rush, however, mail to PO Box 1009, Gualala, CA 95445. Or, a
BRIEF detailing of handling right here on MAGIC! would be
appreciated. Write offline and upload ASCII. WHATEVER IS EASIEST
FOR YOUR. Be in touch. Pete Biro
Msg #2782 Dated 15:30:57 11-20-90 -> 2793
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: ALL
Re: CARD IDEAS
This sounds like it will make a good discussion: What is your
favorite method(s) for revealing a card once its identity is
known?
-By the way, you may want to make your replys so that they
are addressed to everyone, other people will probably be
interested.
Msg #2783 Dated 15:33:58 11-20-90
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: ALL
Re: BANG RING
Does anybody know where I can get a nickel-size bang ring?
Msg #2784 Dated 15:38:02 11-20-90
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: ALL
Re: ABBOT'S
Can someone please drop me a note with the complete address
and phone # of Abbot's?
Thanks, JK
Msg #2785 Dated 15:39:45 11-20-90 -> 2794
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: ALL
Re: ILLUSION
Although I do mostly kid's parties, my collection of magic is
mostly close-up magic. I am thinking of buying a large
illusion. Does anybody have any reccommendations for a good,
not too expensive illusion that would be good for both kids and
adults? I'd appreciate your suggestions. Thanx.
Msg #2786 Dated 16:05:54 11-20-90 2742 <-
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN (X)
Re: ORDER
Thanks for your help and reccommendations. By the way, after
reading the description for Ton's Puzzle Prediction, I realized
how it was done and thoght it would be a "cute" effect. I look
forward to getting it and the two Piatnick books.
--Jon
Msg #2788 Dated 16:26:04 11-20-90 2726 <--> 2795
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BEYOND "MAGIC"
Well at least there are some FACTS on some of this junk. I don't
believe in psychic healers, psychics, ESP or any of that junk, cause I
just haven't seen any proof! I'm glad there's someone who is tackling
"problems of the unknown." Have to get Mr. Hyman a ticket to India to
talk with Henning...
Msg #2789 Dated 16:29:11 11-20-90 2727 <--> 2796
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PERFORMING
Yes, you have helped. Thanks Pete.
Vincent
Msg #2790 Dated 16:50:52 11-20-90 -> 2818
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: PERFORMING
Hah, I see your point. I'd rather be (fishing) performing for laymen
(or LAYPEOPLE, if you want to get picky) than sitting around performing
for myself. Thanks for the input.
Vincent
Msg #2791 Dated 16:54:43 11-20-90 -> 2797
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: ALL
Re: CARD IDEAS
I've got quite a few ways to reveal a chosen card, but I'm only going
to give you two of my favorite.
1) Setting: One day in summer. An electric fan is on. A card is
selected and..I..I can't seem to find it. Maybe all this cool air
affecting my performance. Performer stops fan. On one of the blades
of the enclosed electric fan is the selected card.
2) I lied. I don't have a second favorite. After typing up the last
description I realized that is my favorite.
Vincent
Msg #2793 Dated 17:06:59 11-20-90 2782 <--> 2813
From: PETE BIRO
To: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL (X)
Re: CARD IDEAS
OK. My Favorite revelation (for layment) is to find the card on my
forehead as they are looking thru the deck for it. I use a peek, double
cut and bottom palm. Other than that I like to find a card in Wallet.
I use the Kaps Wallet (The easiest one to use commercially available is
the Balducci Wallet -- the original person to use a wallet -- and this
item is available from Howie Schwarzman, here on MAGIC!). Bye bye.
Msg #2794 Dated 17:09:01 11-20-90 2785 <--> 2808
From: PETE BIRO
To: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL (X)
Re: ILLUSION
How about an arm chopper? Or guillotine? Lots of laffs, good item. I
have all three, including a Head Zopper (using an electric saw). But,
when you get one, don't look up the stock gags. Make up your own,
TIMELY PATTER.
Msg #2795 Dated 17:10:25 11-20-90 2788 <--> 2853
From: PETE BIRO
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: BEYOND "MAGIC"
Hyman has some friends, Jerry Andrus and one fellow that works
undercover, I can't reveal his name, but he chased Uri Gellar all over
the place, got Geller to do a Seance for him, etc. etc. to document it
for the US FED GOVT. Not the CIA, but NASA has the money to look for
real mindreaders. So far they have found NONE. The reason the US FED
GOVT. does this is, "We want them, we don't want the Russians to have
them!" This might be different now with Gorbasms.
Msg #2796 Dated 17:12:24 11-20-90 2789 <--> 2885
From: PETE BIRO
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: PERFORMING
I don't believe it.
Msg #2797 Dated 17:12:54 11-20-90 2791 <--> 2819
From: PETE BIRO
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: CARD IDEAS
How many times have you done this, and do you have more than one
method? Using THAT KIND OF PREMISE, I guess my favorite would be done
in an airplane. Card on the outside of a window. You, of course would
know what seat you will be in well in advance, right? The rest is up to
you.
Msg #2801 Dated 17:45:38 11-20-90 2642 <--> 2810
From: RANDY LUND
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
Good luck, working for kids is like trying to work with 50 pirahhna.
My wife and I do a lot of stuff with kids, cubs, domestic assult
shelters and the like. There is a coloring book available at most
magic stores for under $10.00 that goes over well with kids. My square
circle works well if I produce something they are interested in (eg. a
cub uniform at the cub scouts), a dove pan used to "make candy" with
flash paper for the wrappers gets them every time. I also try to teach
them a trick they can take away. The one I use costs me less than
$0.10 per trick and can be found in Sheeri Lewis' book of kid magic.
You need a plastic cup with ridges around the body (SOLO) 2 pennies,
and four black round sticker spots. To prepare put a slice about an
inch long right at one of the ridges about half way up the cup. to
present pick up the cup and one of the pennies covered by your thumb
outside and below the slit. Show the cup empty. Pick up the other
penny and show you can't push it thru the bottom of the cup. Under the
cover ofthis move the other penny into a position half in the slot
where it will hold without your thumb. We talk about a blck hole and
the theory that something that goes in one side of a black hole may gou
out somewhere elese. Place the dot on the glass explaining this is a
balck hole and again push the penny thru the bottom but this time let
the penny slide behind your fingers and push the other one thru the
hole causing the "penetratio" You can present this in about 5 minutes
with explanations and I have had parents tell me the kids are still
making new ones two months after the show.
Good Luck
Randy Lund
Msg #2802 Dated 18:52:59 11-20-90 2772 <--> 3054
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: FFFF
Harrison, thanks. Pete did introduce me to Obie the other
day and I mentioned to him that I'd written him a letter asking
to be placed on the waiting list. I'd appreciate the help in
getting in cause I'd like to continue the party. It broke up much
too soon for me in Webster (or wherever we were). Washington, DC
is only 35 miles away so if you get to DC let me know and we'll
trade shirts or something.
Sure enjoyed watching you perform for the laypersons as
they say at the bar the other night. Between you and Ray, ya'll
had'm screaming - especially the girls when you pulled those
cards out of your zipper. I'll give Obie a couple of weeks to
respond and then let you know. Stay in touch....tc......
Msg #2803 Dated 19:47:45 11-20-90 -> 2824
From: TED EGGERS
To: ALL
Re: PENN & TELLER ON TV
Just a reminder that the Penn & Teller special Don't Try This at Home is
on this Friday 11/23 at 8:00 on NBC. At least in L.A.
Msg #2804 Dated 19:55:18 11-20-90
From: TED EGGERS
To: ALL
Re: JULES LENIER
Does anyone know what Jules Lenier is doing these days? Is he still
doing magic? Thanks....
Msg #2805 Dated 20:39:45 11-20-90 -> 2825
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: ARTICLE
I just uploaded my first article to Magic! It is entitled Wizard.zip
and this article is some tips for people trying to improve their act.
I hope you enjoy it. Please let me know what you think. I would like
some feedback on my writing.
Steve Kucera
the Wine Country Wizard
707 578 8920
Msg #2806 Dated 21:02:28 11-20-90 2760 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: JUST YER BASIC INTRODUCTI
Sounds like you might be able to build some nice effects. Good Luck!
Msg #2807 Dated 21:05:16 11-20-90 2764 <--> 2828
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Brad Burts Magic is selling one version of the effect for $14.95. He
advertises in Genii and ther shop is located in San Diego. You could
get his number from information. If you buy from him tell him I sent
you. Brad also puts out a monthly or so sales flyer with accurate
reviews of different current effects. For those of you that live down
there he also has guest lecturers, etc.
I also recently saw a version of the effect in one of my old
magazines. I believe it might have been in Genii. The title of the
article is Gali Gali. This version involved gluing a folded bill to a
certain place on the back of one of the ones. The article also
explained the handling to apparently show both sides of all of the
bills.
Msg #2808 Dated 21:18:55 11-20-90 2794 <--> 2816
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ILLUSION
RE: Choppers, guillotines etc.for kidz shows .......and if youhave
some brat heckling you youcan always "forget" to use the gimmick......
I was once chosen to be the victom of a head chopper at circus world in
Florida. He was doing the same old patter counting One, Two, Two and a
half weeks ago I was doing this trick...etc. I made sure I was looking
up at the audience with my hands extended. When he finally said three
and dropped the blade I dropped my hands and head and let my entire
body go limp. You should have seen his face.........
Msg #2809 Dated 21:29:53 11-20-90 -> 2836
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NASHVILLE MOVE
Did you ever figure out if the ghosts were going to relocate with you?
Or if the haunts might be your old relatives?
What is the current Gloria's status on the mideast thing? I hope all is
wellwith you there.
Msg #2810 Dated 21:33:59 11-20-90 2642 <--> 2811
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
An effect that takes some preparation, costs littleand is big on
entertainment value is cooking cookies in some little boys shirt.
Choose a boy about 6-8 yrs old with a shirt that buttons up the front.
No T-shirts. Have him tuck it in. unbutton a few buttons and have him
hold a blown egg inside the shirt As you tell him to be careful, hold
it gently etc. crush the egg. It's harder than you think. Use your
thumb. If you have a mike hold it close so everyone can hear. this will
get a big laugh. Don't worry about the pieces. Pick up a bag of flour
that looks full. Dip into it with a spoon that you have filled with
plaster to make it look like flour. Put a couple of spoonfulls into the
shirt. As you remove the spoon turn the bowl of it away from the
audience. The hardened plaster will stay attached to the spoon. This
really looks real. Say you lost the recipe and forgot how much flour
you are supposed to use. Dump entire bag into kid's shirt.(really there
is no flour in bag instead have it loaded with a big ginger bread
cookie, or muffins etc. avoid frosted baked goods)This loads the shirt.
The kid will have no idea what is happening. Take out a long funnel
like the kind used to add oil to cars. place bottom in the shirt. Take
out your full milk pitcher and "pour" into funnel. The audience will
roar and the kids eyes will get big as saucers. Put in a wooden spoon
stir everything up then "cook" by placing an atomic lightbulb below
where the kid is holding the shirt.(On theoutside) You could also use
a candle or bic lighter but be carefull and dont get too close. Reach
in and pull out the cooked goodies and give to a kid for being such a
good sport. You can either untuck the shirt for him and drop the
eggshells or let him go back to his seat to do it. Another hint is to
have all the ingredients hidden behind a podium or something and take
them out one by one. You will get a good reatiYon as you pull out
each item. Really ham it up. The kids and the adults will like this
one.
Msg #2811 Dated 21:53:22 11-20-90 2642 <--> 2823
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
Go to the library and look in the childrens section for magic books.
They will be different than the ones in the adult section. They will
have many ideas for effects that are no or little cost and they will
appeal to your young audience.
Msg #2812 Dated 21:58:12 11-20-90 2643 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW
How about the vanishing handful of snow over the magic candle....
Or Snowstorm in China?
Msg #2813 Dated 22:06:06 11-20-90 2782 <-
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL (X)
Re: CARD IDEAS
Card locations? For stage magic I tape an "Insurance
Policy" card into a newpsaper gaffed for Vanishing Liquids.
I pretend to blow the card trick and proceed quickly to
performing Vanishing Wine in Newspaper. I then ask the lady
once again to name her card and as she does I open the
newspaper to reveal her card.
Msg #2814 Dated 22:23:42 11-20-90 2775 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: REPLY
OK Pete..."Underground Transposition"...Aces and Jacks are culled from
the deck and arranged in the following order: (face to rear) AS, AH,
AC, AD, JS, JD, JC, JH. The cards are displayed face up with thr RH
taking the aces. Each hand holds four cards for display. The aces are
then placed back on top of the jacks. The packet is then held in
Biddle grip in the RH. The LH slides the bottom card of the packet
about a quarter inch to the right. Your RH hides this condition. You
then peel the AS, AH and AC into your L. palm one at a time. When you
go for the AD, the peeled aces are aligned with the jogged card at the
bottom of the packet, allowing you to grab the upper portion of the RH
packet, thus switching out the aces for three jacks. (This sleight is
called the Veesser Concept) The LH turns palm down and tables its
cards. The RH (from the spectator's point of view, the one with the
jacks) tables its cards to the right. You then patter how you will
cause two jacks to transpose with two aces. Pick up the R. packet and
Elmsley Count to show two red jacks and two black aces. The packet is
then tabled facep. The L. packet is turned face up, another Elmsley
Count executed, and two red aces and two black jacks are seen. The
packet is then shown to have three jacks by reverse counting the cards
into your right hand. The ace is counted first, followed by the JC.
The JS is placed beneath the packet. The JD is placed on the face.
The packet is then tabled again. The R. packet is picked up and
counted in the same way that was just done with the L. This will show
three aces and will place the JH third from the face. Wave your hand
over the packet and Elmsley count to show that the last card has
transposed. The spectators see four aces. The packet is tabled face
up. The L. packet is Elmsley counted to show all jacks. Deal the face
jack (JD) to the table face up and place the balance face down just
below it. The R. packet is picked up, the face ace (AH) is tabled in
a similar way and the packet is placed faced down just under it.
Switch the JD and the AH and turn over the top card of the packets to
show that the cards have played "Follow the Leader." The cards are
placed on the leader cards. Ask the spectator to choose whether you
should now switch the face up cards or the face down ones. Do what he
says and once again turn over the top face down cards in each packet to
show the transposition. Once again, the face up cards are put on the
leader cards. The final phase is, as Max indicated, a bluff. Using
just one hand, pick up each face down card and put it on the packet
in front of it. Then take the right packet and move it diagonally to
the left and the left packet is moved diagonally to the right. With
the same hand, the top cards are turned over and shown to match their
respective packets. When you try this, it may seem silly and obvious,
but it is very confusing visually. Enjoy!! (The Paul Harris trick,
"Reset" is more magical-looking. Also, Pete, would you do me a favor
and download my trick "Jazzy Transposition" (JAZZ.ZIP)? I'd love to
know what you think of it! Best wishes...Jim
Msg #2816 Dated 0:10:15 11-21-90 2808 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ILLUSION
Yeah, some guy warned me about a chopper just last week. I was doing
my famous "Guillotine of Death" close-up illusion, which works on a
completely different principle, and a fellow magi, after the show, said
"I really hurt a kid with a chopper a few weeks ago..."
Pete, why don't you tell Jonathan about your "rat trap" effect? For a
large show he could do it with a jumbo card, and if it misses he would
only loose his own fingers. Seriously, it is a good looking, very
inexpensive, effect.
Msg #2818 Dated 0:19:36 11-21-90 2790 <--> 3295
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: PERFORMING
Both types of audiences can be fun. I did something for magi once that
I keep wanting to post here, but I have to untangle my notes. It was
designed to give them lots of opportunities to try to figure out how I
did it, only to "kill off" the possibilities as the trick progressed.
I would NEVER do that particular one for laypersons, they wouldn't even
know what had gone on. On the other hand, laypersons don't try to take
apart whatever you've built (usually) and they don't (usually) ask a
lot of questions, they just applaud and throw money.
Msg #2819 Dated 0:23:22 11-21-90 2791 <--> 2854
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CARD IDEAS
There is a MAGIC! member named Ron Bieber. Get him to tell you about
the one he does... He reveals the card by having a small plastic "moo
cow" (the kind you turn over and when you turn 'em back they go
"Mooooo") drop cow pies on the selected card...
Msg #2823 Dated 0:40:26 11-21-90 2810 <--> 2835
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
That is GREAT, Burt! I really like your baking cookies in a kid! I
gotta try that! Thanks!
Msg #2824 Dated 0:42:45 11-21-90 2803 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TED EGGERS (X)
Re: PENN & TELLER ON TV
Thanks for the reminder, Ted. It should be an interesting show.
Msg #2825 Dated 0:54:13 11-21-90 2805 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ARTICLE
Steve Kucera's article is now in the files area. It is WIZARD.TXT.
For those who use ZIP it is also available in the files area as
WIZARD.ZIP. Thanks, Steve!
Msg #2827 Dated 1:31:32 11-21-90 2773 <-
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: GREETINGS
Darrell,
This is a reply to your message, but not just directed toward you. I
want to thank all( thats ALL) the members of Ring 21 for the welcome
that I received at your halloween party. I read a note here the day of
before the event and was made to feel most welcome at the party and
afterward... so much so I should let you know that I have just sent off
my application for IBM membership.
Thanks again to all in this very special brotherhood that made me feel
like I was welcome, regardless of present skill or talent ( I'm already
getting better just from trying harder)
Looking forward to much more of the same.
Doug
Msg #2828 Dated 1:51:21 11-21-90 2807 <-
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: TWO DOLLAR BILL
Burt,
Thanks for the info, I met Brad Burt when I was just moving out of
San Diego, I helped him get a case of matches for a trick he makes out
of Wood match boxes. I just told my wife tonight I'd like to take a
drive to San Diego "just for fun". Guess where I want to go.
Gali Gali sounds like the effect I saw. He never did let us touch
either bill but was careful to point out that he showed it all around.
I would like to know if you can remember what Magazine you saw that in.
Thanks.........Doug
Msg #2830 Dated 5:55:57 11-21-90 -> 2849
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: BOOK LIST
It's here! I've uploaded H&R List #2 as H&R-2.ZIP. Order information
is included in the introduction. Hardcopy lists were mailed early
Tuesday morning, so MAGIC! users are actually getting first crack at
it. I'm going to my parents house for Thanksgiving, so if you're hot
for anything call Richard Hatch to reserve it. Thanks and happy
Thanksgiving to all.
Charlie
Msg #2831 Dated 5:56:25 11-21-90
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BALTIMORE
Guess what? I'm going to Baltimore Dec. 2 - 7. I'll be staying at
the Sheraton Inner Harbor Hotel. If your schedule permits, we'll have
to get together. I'll have a car and could even drive out your way.
I'll be kind of busy most of the week but will have some free time.
Would also like to get together with George Daily and Howie. You
should be getting a list in the mail, but in the mean time check out
the one I've uploaded. Happy Thanksgiving.
Charlie
Msg #2832 Dated 5:56:59 11-21-90
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN (X)
Re: BALTIMORE
I'm going to be in Baltimore Dec. 2-7, check the note above to Tabby.
Would love to come over and see some of your stuff. Let me know.
Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #2833 Dated 5:58:58 11-21-90
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
Mailed out your stuff yesterday. Thanks for the order, let me know
if you need anything else.
Charlie
Msg #2834 Dated 5:59:21 11-21-90
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: FRIENDS
I meet Tom at a get together with Ed Marlo. Recently we were roommates
at the Inn Event, which is where I meet Pat. Tom is one of the great
guys in magic. Besides just being an all around nice, quiet guy, he is
also a great magician. He is just fantastic with a deck of cards. Ask
him to show you some of his punch work sometime. He taught me some
really neat things. We also share a love for one of David Roth's
tricks - The Fugitive Coin. We were talking about it at the Inn Event
and we both had our "extra" coin with us. Next time you see, crimp one
of his cards for me! Thanks for the information on Ice Dice. I'll try
to order it. I've ordered Max Maven's Focus. When I get a chance, I'll
let you know which effects I like, if not all of 'em.
Charlie
Msg #2835 Dated 6:57:58 11-21-90 2642 <--> 2856
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
A few years back when my oldest son (now 22) was in first
grade the teacher asked me to come "do some magic" for the class.
At that time I was consumed with cards and Garcia's Super Subtle
Card Miracles and wondered what the h___ I could do that the six
and seven year olds could enjoy. Since I had a couple of weeks to
work it out and not wanting to go over their heads I put an act
together at very little expense that worked well for the kidz.
Somewhere sometime I had seen a magician do a bit with an egg bag
using a kid from the audience who imitated a chicken. Clucking,
flapping his wings (arms) each time the egg was to appear. I
produced 15 or 20 eggs (really one) in this manner placing them
into a pail with a fake paper bottom filled with white and yellow
confetti. At the finale, I stirred the eggs with my wand breaking
the paper in the bottom of said pail and tossed the "eggs" into
the audience of first graders. Needless to say, they squeeled
when they found out the eggs had turned to lots of paper...The
kidz loved it and the teacher never asked me to come back and
perform again (need I say why)..Also, Rob's dad (that's me) was a
hero to those kidz for several years, always asking me when I was
going to come back and do it again...I just said,,ask your
teacher.....
About the use of head choppers, etc for kidz, I once
tried to saw my neighbors leg off (we were 8 or 9) after seeing
Marvelo (Lester Lake) do the head chopper, etc at the high school
auditorium. I'd actually sawn down about an inch or so when his
mom came out of the house screaming...soooo be careful...tabman.
Msg #2836 Dated 6:59:19 11-21-90 2809 <--> 2850
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: NASHVILLE MOVE
Thanks for asking...she's still here and will probably be
unless war happens. She's a member of the USAR Shooting Team and
they will need them for shooting instructors once the shooting
starts. Gloria was on the 1984 Olympic Team (shooting) and came
in 4th so she's pretty good at what she does. Our Tennessee move
(hopefully) will simplify our lives....We plan on building a
small international 50 meter range on the "new home place" and
she can train younger hopefuls. She was US champ five times and
also gold medalist at the 1980 Pan Am Games...I plan on reducing
my clients to one or two groups who are easy to get along with
and to concentrate on magic..I wouldn't mind managing a couple of
magical entertainers and mostly stay home or run into Music City
to make a couple of bucks as needed.
About the ghosts...right after I read your message three
of our dogs started barking in the old east wing..I went down to
shut them up while thinking of a reply...As I walked through the
door I heard voices, though I couldn't understand what they said.
Since I personally hadn't seen the ghosts it gave me a start, but
it turned out to be Roxy the Lab making sounds....I've decided to
sell out to someone who'll restore the old place and make
offices, etc....just in case it is my grandparents they'll still
have their house to haunt.
Glad the video tape arrived ok. The Zaney Blaney stuff is
some of my favorite, especially Walter working in the Dallas nite
club which was later bought by Willie Nelson to become Whiskey
River. He (Walter) is a funnnnny guy. When I was making the copy,
I sat down and watched Walter and laughed all over again...tabman
Msg #2838 Dated 8:48:32 11-21-90 -> 2868
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: CHALLENGE
Here is an interesting mental exercise and I think it would make
a great contest.
You are in a strange town with no magic shop. You are contracted
to do a 45 minute stage magic act. All your equipment is lost and
you have one day to put together an act using only things
available around town. What would you do to create an act with
no special props?
I have already mapped out a plan in my head just in case I wind
up in that situation. It might be a very useful skill someday.
What would you do?
I would love to see a magic challenge contest under those
conditions.
Steve Kucera
the Wine Country
707 578 8920
Msg #2842 Dated 12:01:59 11-21-90 -> 2867
From: TIM JACKSON
To: ALL
Re: COMEDIAN GIVING US AWAY
Last weekend I was at a comedy club and the feature performer did a
routine with an oversized thumb tip? It was a basic hankerchief vanish
and appearance. While funny it struck me that he was basically exposing
a magicians "secret", I
thought it was extreemly unprofessional. Any comments?
I am still looking for a copy of Sam Berlands Silks from nowhere.
Someone suggested Abbot Magic co. I tried without success. I appologize
for not thanking whoever it was that suggested Abbot but I am fairly
new to the system and erased the message before copying down who had
sent it. It appears that since Sam died no one is carring the effect.
B
Msg #2843 Dated 12:13:54 11-21-90 -> 2866
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: MAGIC
Steve Fucera: I would accept your challenge right now, but I want
to think about it some more.
One time when I was an assistant in the FRANCISCO MIDNIGHT SPOOK
SHOW, we arrived at a theater that had NO STAGE.
Here we were with a truck full of illusions and no stage. They
had installed a movie screen and nailed it to the floor. There
WAS a great stage behind the screen. Arthur Bull (Francisco) (I
was "Count Zamora") decided which few illusions could be done in
the Aisles of the theater!!! And we immediately headed to the
worlds largest magic store (at the time) Woolworths.
We bought rope, bangles, all kinds of stuff. We did the rope,
rings and coat using rope a chair and coffee cups for rings. We
did a big cut/restored ribbon. And a lot of other stuff that
Arthur knew how to do based on what we found in the "dime" store.
Joe Berg once did an act "claiming" to have lost all his stuff,
so from stage he passed a hat into the audience to get some
"ordinary" items to work with. He had a stooge in the front row
drop several gaffs into the hat.
GREAT PREMISE, DON'T YOU THINK?
At the Las Vegas Desert Seminar I have always wanted a contest
that was different. Bill Wells suggested having the magician walk
into a close up room WITHOUT ANY PROPS and he had to perform with
what he found on the table. Basically there was just the normal
stuff at a table you would find in a nice restaurant.
OOOOOOOPS>.. I spelled your name wrong. Sorry Steve. Pete
Msg #2844 Dated 12:15:14 11-21-90 -> 2857
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: GUILLOTINES AND...
Burt Carpenter: I did the Guillotine with a home made 7-foot tall
version of the Grant item. I had 500 plus in the audience and a
very dignified British Gentleman in place. Needless to say,
SOMETHING got jammed and we had to lift the Illusion WITH the
spectator's head in the opening, carry both offstage, make up
some kind of gag and get on with it.
What had happened was this. I had "set" all the props well ahead
of the show. We went to eat. Another Magician (A** H***)!!!!
Thought it would be fun to "work" some of the tricks backstage to
show a buddy if his. He then "re-set" things. Only he didn't know
how and didn't tell anybody until after the show when he said he
was "sorry". He sure was sorry. A sorry individual.
We told him the guy could have been seriously hurt if it was a
different version of the trick and it didn't phase this fool at
all.
While on this. I can't understand why AT A MAGIC EVENING OR A
CONVENTION that Magician's think it is OK for them to COME
BACKSTAGE. All they do is get in the way and slow things up,
cause acts to lose concentration while setting up, or psyching
themselves up. After a show it is just as bad. They are trying to
pack NEATLY and sometimes (often) have gaffs they really don't
want other magicians to see.
In 1951 I was in New York on the way to my tour of Army duty in
Germany. Had a few days to visit the city. While downtown saw
that Mardoni and Louise were appearing at the Palace Theater. I
bought a ticket up front. When Mardoni asked for a volunteer, I
was onstage like a rocket.
You see I always wanted to be on the Palace stage, as my Dad
worked the Palace when in Vodvil in the Roaring 20s. To work
there meant you were in the Big Time. So now I can say that I
appeared on stage at the Palace.
Guess what the trick was? The guillotine. And you won't believe
this, but even thought I knew the trick, I got scated S-less,
thinking something MIGHT go wrong!!!
When my Dad was at the Palace Milton Berle was headlining (at
another theater) at age 17! My Dad worked with Berle, Jack Benny,
Fred Allen, Olsen and Johnson (in Hells A Poppin) where the acts
(he was an acrobatic roller skater) had to work all through the
show in comedy sketches. The acts didn't like this, they didn't
get extra pay, and they had to stick around all day. Normally
they would do their 5-8 minute bit and go out around the city.
Typo on line 30 should be SCARED, NOT SCATED
Msg #2845 Dated 12:16:41 11-21-90 -> 2851
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: TANKS
Jim: I downloaded the material and will go over it carefully. You
don't know how much I appreciate this.
This is one of the great things of the MAGIC! BBS -- incredible
cooperation.
Just got Ultra Cervon. It is a bit overwritten and I wish the
descriptions and the photos were on the same page. I was all tied
up holding the deck a certain way (trying to do his Pass) and I
had to turn the page. Not easy.
I can't agree with Bruce on the RIGHTS RESERVED in front of the
book. I think this (if anything like this is hoped for) needs to
be on the order form or on the outside of the book on a sheet if
book is wrapped. And then, a great amount of the material, like
Hanky Panky and the beginning moves in the rope routine, are not
even Bruce's.
I think when you sell a book the buyer owns the material for HIS
PERSONAL USE. He cannot write it up and sell or teach it to
someone as HIS.
What I think would be good to put in the front of a book, in a
prominent place and in BIG BOLD TYPE would be:
THINK! IF I AM DOING THIS MAGIC, SAY AT A CONVENTION, OR AT THE
CASTLE, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE PAID FOR IT, TALK TO ME, SEE WHAT
MATERIAL I AM DOING, AND DO SOMETHING ELSE.
Matter of fact at any gathering where there are several magicians
I think they should get together and discuss the content of their
shows to avoid duplication.
It is really difficult for the booker (in many cases) to know the
current repertiore of all the acts. I have booked an act to a
particular routine and when the act showed up was doing "all new
stuff" -- which I wouldn't have booked in a million years.
In the old days of showbiz agents used to book "act as seen"
naming the venue.
I could go on, but my phone bill jumped from the high $200 a
month to over $400!!!!!!!!!
Msg #2849 Dated 13:33:50 11-21-90 2830 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOK LIST
If you've ever dreamed about being among the first to see a new magic
book list, here's your chance! Charlie Randall has uploaded H&R-2.ZIP
to the MAGIC! files area. The printed copies, sent by regular mail,
won't arrive in people's hands for a few days, so MAGIC! members,
thanks to Charlie, will be getting first pick (over the Thanksgiving
holiday, Charlie says to call Richard Hatch at the number in the list
to reserve items).
For those who still haven't mastered using ZIP, I've also put the file
in plain text form as H&R-2.TXT. But it takes FIVE TIMES AS LONG to
download. Instead, you might download H&R-2.ZIP and the PKZIP program
(check the listing in file area 13, I've forgotten the full name of the
zip program) and learn to use ZIP over the holidays.
Just for the record (and for those who wonder about such things) there
is no commercial relationship between MAGIC! and H&R.
Have fun with the new list!
Msg #2850 Dated 13:40:40 11-21-90 2836 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NASHVILLE MOVE
Do I take it that you absolutely NEVER argue with your wife? No wonder
you are looking for info on bullet catching!
Msg #2851 Dated 13:43:14 11-21-90 2845 <--> 2861
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TANKS
There is a whole hornet's nest related to the Ultra Cervon "license"
that should be discussed. Personally, I always liked the license that
one software company actually used -- it was something like this... "If
you make an illegal copy of this product we reserve the right to sell
your immortal soul to the first fire breathing dragon that comes
along."
Msg #2853 Dated 13:52:09 11-21-90 2795 <--> 2884
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BEYOND "MAGIC"
Hah, sounds great. "We don't want the Russians to have them..." Jeez,
the U.S. is even selfish about something it doesn't have!
Msg #2854 Dated 13:55:29 11-21-90 2797 <--> 2855
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARD IDEAS
I have done the card-on-the-fan blade trick about 4 or 5 times. I've
only got one method; beforehand, I stick the card on to the blade, then
force the card, pretend to screw up, and reveal it. Is that the answer
you were looking for? I like your airplane idea, only problem is that
the speed of the plane and the wind would probably take the card off.
How would you connect it to the window without that being a problem?
Msg #2855 Dated 13:59:22 11-21-90 2819 <--> 2862
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CARD IDEAS
Yuck! Cow pies and cards, whatta combination...
Msg #2856 Dated 14:02:46 11-21-90 2810 <--> 2886
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
Wow, that's a neat idea.
Msg #2857 Dated 14:15:18 11-21-90 2844 <--> 3070
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GUILLOTINES AND...
Shoot, that must really make someone angry. I haven't had that happen
to me yet as I haven't performed the large guillotine yet, but I think
I may know why magicians come backstage to do all they do. I have a
hunch they want to meet the magician, get his autograph, you know, get
to know a celebrity. So maybe explaining that situation with the
chopper would let people know how dangerous it is to go
backstage...This is only an idea...
Msg #2858 Dated 14:21:56 11-21-90 -> 2863
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC DATABASE
I have downloaded that magic database, and all I can say is that it is
great! Well, actually I can say more than that so I will. It lets you
organize your library, tricks, and lets you put together a show from
your trick file. What can I say, it just appeals to my orderly sense!
You can then print out a list of your library, and you can summarize
what's in the books, so if you're looking for some billiard ball tricks
you can browse through the list and find it. I just love this program.
Msg #2859 Dated 14:41:59 11-21-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BALTO
Great...We'll definately get together either here or there. Keep me
posted..now off to the files section to download that new book
list...talk at cha later....tabman
Msg #2860 Dated 14:43:05 11-21-90 -> 2876
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: BULLETS
Gloria and I do occasionally get mad at each other, but she's a real
trouper and knows what its like being on the road...have a great
holiday and thanks for the call....tabman..
Msg #2861 Dated 15:18:01 11-21-90 2845 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TANKS
BRAVO,JIM...this is essentially what I've been saying all along...
a little common sense and courtesy among magicians goes a long way and
is much more effective than paranoid and unenforceable notices in a
book.
Msg #2862 Dated 15:25:57 11-21-90 2854 <--> 2874
From: PETE BIRO
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: CARD IDEAS
That is the Problem! You would probably have to find an airline
maintenence guy that is a magic nut, as well.
Msg #2863 Dated 15:27:05 11-21-90 2858 <--> 2875
From: PETE BIRO
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: MAGIC DATABASE
Did I miss something. What database? Do you have a file name for it?
Msg #2864 Dated 15:27:31 11-21-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: COUNT
Jim Sisti:
Working on the Hamman transposition routine and I suddenly
remembered a BETTER switch grip than the Veeser. What you do is
to hold the break between the bottom card and those above it at
the FRONT RIGHT with your right ring finger. The right thumb is
at the right rear corner, just holding the cards. The right
Middle finger (alongside the ring finger) helps to conceal the
break by holding UP the bottom card. That way the edges visible
all around are flush, there is no card sticking out to the right
off the bottom.
I hope you can follow this grip by my description.
Then... you peel off the first three Aces, then you merely
LAY all the cards in right hand on top of the three Aces,
squared, you STRAIGHTEN the right middle finger, the cards above
the break (pivoting off the right thumb at the rear) are gripped
with the left hand by the Thumb against the left index finger,
not bent, but straigt (both thumb and finger) sort of pinching
the cards and taking them to the left. There is no re-adjustment
of fingers needed. You automatically have four cards in each
hand.
Again, thanks and hope you like this "touch".
Will download Jazz.Zip now.
Msg #2866 Dated 18:58:06 11-21-90 2843 <-
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC
No problem on the misspell Pete.
I kind of got the idea from your articles where you mention flattening
all zombie balls and releasing all doves and awarding the prize to
whoever makes the best comeback. My idea is just an extension of that
to a great degree. Flatten all their stuf and see who cam recover.
I kind of put that out there to stimulate peoples thoughts so
hopefully more will be prepared in the case of disaster.
I would go to a hardware store, a music store ( for cassettes) and a
grocery store and fabric shop. In those four stops I could put together
a pretty good act.
Msg #2867 Dated 19:05:00 11-21-90 2842 <--> 2869
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: TIM JACKSON (X)
Re: COMEDIAN GIVING US AWAY
I am sad that the thumbtip is so overexposed. Its even worse that it
was done so blatantly on stage. ]
I was performing at the Harvest Festival in San Francisco last month
and during one performance some brat ( excuse me, darling little
cherub, thats what I meant) would yell out "its in your thumb" when I
vanished the hank. The lights were bright so I was unable to aim my gun
accurately at his head. Fearing the messiness that a minor flesh wound
would cause, I chose instead to hurry though the routine and get on to
another effect.
I give away magic kits to kids at my shows and have taken to removing
the thumtips. I feel it is to important a secret to be so widely
exposed.
Msg #2868 Dated 19:36:19 11-21-90 2838 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: CHALLENGE
I had almost exactly this experience about three years ago. I was in
New York for some business meetings, and suddenly got booked to work a
week in Atlantic City. I had nothing with me. So, I spent an afternoon
shopping in Manhattan, without setting foot near Tannen's, and the next
day opened in A.C. For my own amusement, when I work nightclubs I vary
the program from night to night. Thus, during the Atlantic City run I
used about three and a half hours of material, all using items bought
in stationers, art supply stores, and drugstores.
For some years I'd hypothesized about being in this situation, so
it was nice being forced to actually do it.
Msg #2869 Dated 19:49:51 11-21-90 2867 <--> 2889
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: COMEDIAN GIVING US AWAY
I think the thing jto do is research Finn Jon and Salvano's use of the
thumb tip (also Slydini) their getaways, and acquitments are fabulous.
Frankly, I think the effects most use the TT for are a giveaway.
Salvano and Finn, especially do some amazing stuff and even Magicians
don't THINK TT.
Msg #2870 Dated 19:51:27 11-21-90
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: TRICK
Just been playing with Paul Harris' Biological Shuffle and have
simplified it. You should try it. Found in Ammar's Magic Arts Journal
with Gold Cover and cartoon of Harris.
I'm off to Turkey day with my Mom in Nursing home, then to a friends
place for a day and a half. Think I will leave the computer home and
when I get back will be ready for a veritable conrucopia of magical
reading.
Msg #2871 Dated 20:30:01 11-21-90 2754 <--> 2878
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MIKE AMMAR NORTHEAST LECT
Mike Ammar is in Oklahoma City tonight (Wed), and as stated before
will be at Magic Castle Nov 26 to Dec 2nd. After that it is back to
Texas with Lectures Dec 11th - Houston; Dec 13th - Harlengen;
Dec 14th - New Orleans and Dec 16th Dallas. If anyone needs more
info on a specific date leave a message and I will get the time, place,
who to contact, etc.
Msg #2872 Dated 21:38:27 11-21-90 2539 <--> 2879
From: MAC KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOUBLE FACERS
Pete, As of the day before Thanksgiving I have no plans to be at The
Desert Seminar. Talk to you soon. Your pal, Mac
Msg #2873 Dated 21:50:58 11-21-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: THANKSGIVING
Just wanted to wish everyone here a happy and safe holiday and to thank
ya'll for the pleasure, friendship, inspiration, and information you've
given me....THANX...tabman
Msg #2874 Dated 22:31:07 11-21-90 2855 <--> 2922
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: CARD IDEAS
Its OK. He also carries a little broom and cow pie collector, and the
side of his bag has a sign that reads "Curb Your Cow."
Msg #2875 Dated 22:33:37 11-21-90 2858 <--> 3003
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: MAGIC DATABASE
Glad to hear it. I also like it. And a lot of our members have
downloaded it. I hope everyone remembers that it is "shareware," which
means that there is an address in the documentation to send a small fee
to, just like if you had bought it in a store. MAGIC! does NOT receive
any remuneration, but the developer of the program, who worked long and
hard on it, gets the bucks. Hmmmm.... interesting idea -- with all
this stuff about "ripping off" magic developers, I wonder, has anyone
ever tried a shareware effect?
Msg #2876 Dated 22:37:33 11-21-90 2860 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BULLETS
Will Gloria be at Desert Magic with you? Sure would be nice to meet
her. Unarmed, of course.
Msg #2878 Dated 22:52:24 11-21-90 2871 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: MIKE AMMAR NORTHEAST LECT
Thanks for the info, David! Sorry to hear that there is no lecture in
Los Angeles on this trip. I plan to be at the Castle on Wed., Nov.
28th, to catch the show.
Msg #2879 Dated 22:53:38 11-21-90 2872 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAC KING (X)
Re: DOUBLE FACERS
Mac, good to see you back here! I'm looking forward to seeing you at
the Castle next week.
Msg #2883 Dated 0:28:37 11-22-90 -> 2917
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: ALL
Re: LINKING CARD
One of our dear readers is looking for the linking card effect where
two cards are given to the spectator linked together. It was on an
early Henning special and is said to have been developed for Henning by
Ben Harris re: the last B. Harris issue. ??? thanks
Msg #2884 Dated 6:20:18 11-22-90 2693 <--> 2892
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID SACKS
Re: BEYOND "MAGIC"
Although I can't personally attest to it, I have heard from many
sources that people trained in Scientology are able to do many things
that most of us would consider to be ESP. They say it doesn't take a
lifetime, maybe several years. They say they do not advertise the fact
that they can do these things because 1. they don't want to make
themselves into a sideshow and 2. it's now natural everyday stuff to
them. All I can say is since the government and the press are always
dogging them their must be something to it. If you have time go to a
library and check out some of the books by Hubbard. Good luck.
Msg #2885 Dated 6:30:07 11-22-90 2724 <--> 2893
From: STAN LAKE
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: PERFORMING
I hope you got some good suggestions for your problem about performing
for children. I am in a similar situation and I was hoping that if you
got some good advice you could pass it on to me! I also like to do
some card and coin magic however, I am a definite AMATEUR. I can't
even do a pass yet. Some co-workers enjoyed a routine I did with some
cards and uncharacteristically (what a word!) of me, I didn't screw up.
One thing led to another and I ended up agreeing to do a benefit show
for about 50 kids and 200 adults this December 16. Now I don't do
great magic to begin with and I'm certainly not going to be comfortable
going from doing some card tricks to hopping up on stage as if I were
MR. ENTERTAINER! If I survive this it will only be from some good
advice from the Magic! folks and a lot of practice. Please reply if
you can give me even a grain of hope! Thanks, and happy Thanksgiving.
Msg #2886 Dated 6:45:12 11-22-90 2801 <--> 2887
From: STAN LAKE
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
Thanks very much for the ideas Randy. I liked the one especially about
teaching them a little bit of magic. Maybe I won't end up being one of
those hapless cows devoured by the Amazon piranhas! Going from doing
a few card and coin tricks for friends and then to the stage is a
bigger leap than I wanted. I hope they can't sense my fear! Thanks
again and wish me luck...
Msg #2887 Dated 6:54:31 11-22-90 2810 <--> 2888
From: STAN LAKE
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
Burt, thank you very much for that great idea. If I can get them and
keep them laughing as you can I just may survive this! THANKS!
Msg #2888 Dated 6:59:25 11-22-90 2835 <--> 2894
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
Tabman- Thanks very much for the ideas. You have a heck of a good
sense of humor which is exactly what I will need to get me through this
Trial By Fire. When I reread my own message I posted on our BBS asking
for help, it sounded like I distained having to work for kids and doing
it without pay, no less. Actally, I am simply an amateur magician in
the strictest sense of the word. I happened to do a few card and coin
effects for some friends which I thankfully (or maybe not) didn't screw
up. Now, all of a sudden, I am to be performing on stage for an
audience of some 300 people! So it's not disdain, it's just being
scared silly! I like your ideas though. If I can get them laughing
and keep them from gnawing at my ankles we'll all be happy. I hope you
have a very nice Thanksgiving, thanks again.
Msg #2889 Dated 8:41:55 11-22-90 2869 <-
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMEDIAN GIVING US AWAY
THanks for the thumb tip tip Pete. I will check it out.
Msg #2891 Dated 9:15:32 11-22-90 -> 3006
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: 400!
Just noticed I have logged on 400 times. I think I will go out and have
a Turkey dinner to celebrate. In Thanks to all on this forum, I say,
Thanks! That was original. But I mean it. The cooperation and
fellowship on this BBS is great, and we should all be thankfull. OK?
Msg #2892 Dated 9:18:09 11-22-90 2884 <--> 2901
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BEYOND "MAGIC"
The only person INTO Scientology that I was involved with was former
49er Quarterback John Brodie. We were doing (we did) a story on himn
for Sports Illustrated. He told us he was "clear" (I guess that was the
highest level) and he now had Supreme Confidence. I guess he was more
than confident, as I was told the following season he threw a record
number of INTERCEPTIONS. Y'know toss it out there and PRAY?
Msg #2893 Dated 9:20:14 11-22-90 2885 <--> 2898
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PERFORMING
Hay... if you go up in front of anybody, you ARE MR. ENTERTAINER. Think
of it that way. Only do what you can do without thinking about it.
Don't worry if it is well known by magicians.
Remember if you screw up, no one is going to pull a gun out and shoot
you. Keep it "light" IF YOU ARE HAVING FUN, THE AUD WILL HAVE FUN.
There is no more advice needed.
Honest.
Msg #2894 Dated 9:21:47 11-22-90 2886 <--> 2895
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
No, it is not a bigger leap. IT JUST MEANS MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
ENJOY YOU.
Dont' rush at the beginning. Establish the fact that you are a nice
guy, one of them and just out for some pleasant entertainment.
Msg #2895 Dated 9:23:01 11-22-90 2888 <--> 2903
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
Being "scared Silly" is great. Nothing better than being Silly.
If you don't think everyone is a bit tense before working....
Of course we expect a Good Review from you (unbiased, of course) after
the show. You can say anything you want, including "I killed 'em!"
Msg #2898 Dated 13:10:00 11-22-90 2893 <--> 3005
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PERFORMING
Here's what may be a bit more advice... A "screw up" needn't be one if
the audience doesn't know it happened. You might just try to have a
couple of contingency plans, don't have to be perfectly thought out,
but something you can use. For example, you have a deck setup to do
something and the spectator messes up the set up. Instead of breaking
out in a sweat, have something in reserve that you can do like "OK, now
pick a card..." Audience doesn't need to know that you just switched
tricks.
Msg #2901 Dated 17:08:00 11-22-90 2892 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BEYOND "MAGIC"
L. Ron Hubbard was a scifi writer. I read his ten volume
series "Mission Earth". The protagonist, Jetero Heller, was
probably, now that you mention it, a scientologist. The
scientologists have churches in most major cities - LA,
Nashville, DC, NYC, Seattle, etc, - where they have programs
aimed at people in the arts. What works for some may not work for
everyone, however, most scientologists are successful (whatever
you perceive it to be).
"Dianetics" is L. Ron Hubbard's manual of the basic
principals of reaching "clear" - in essence, not being in your
own way.
Msg #2902 Dated 17:08:38 11-22-90 -> 2910
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: SHOOTERS
I'll be coming alone. We seldom travel together. We toured extensively
in 1984 to make to Olympic team, but we now take turns staying home and
keeping the home fires burning....
Msg #2903 Dated 17:16:28 11-22-90 2886 <--> 2942
From: RANDY LUND
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
Best of Luck, get em early with a good sucker routine and they are
ussually reluctant to have another go at you.
Randy
Msg #2905 Dated 18:39:17 11-22-90
From: GENO MUNARI
To: JON LUCKE (X)
Re: MOUNTEBANKS, FRAUDS & CHA
John, I would very much be interested in a possible documentary about
the topics mentioned. Call me at 702.383.8660, or 595.7770.
I am a producer and am very much intrigued with this subject.
Msg #2906 Dated 19:01:51 11-22-90
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: CLOSE-UP SEMINAR DEC 7-9
JUST A REMINDER TO ALL ABOUT THE CLOSE-UP CLASSIC IN LAS VEGAS DECEMBER
7-9, IN LAS VEGAS. CALL JOE STEVENS AT MAGIC EMPORIUM, OR GENO MUNARI,
702-383-8660. IT WILL BE A GREAT EVENT.
Msg #2908 Dated 19:07:42 11-22-90 -> 2909
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: DIAMOND JACK -SAM BELLMAN
ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER ROUTINES SIMILAR TO DIAMOND JACK OR SAM THE
BELLMAN? I AM LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TOPICAL AND UNIQUE.
ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED.
THANKS
GENO MUNARI
Msg #2909 Dated 22:15:46 11-22-90 2908 <--> 2918
From: JIM SISTI
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DIAMOND JACK -SAM BELLMAN
In the Paul Harris issue of the Magical Arts Journal, there's a Diamond
Jack-style routine by Eric Mead called "A Night At The Improv..." which
featured a private detective and his escapades. The puns in it are a
little more up to date than the ones found in "Diamond Jack" (in fact,
if you're a fan of Paul Harris, you'll recognize many of the lines as
being his originally...thus its inclusion in that particular edition of
MAJ).
Msg #2910 Dated 23:31:03 11-22-90 2902 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SHOOTERS
Well, then, I look forward to meeting Gloria on another occassion. But
I am looking forward to seeing you in March. Hope your Thanksgiving
was a happy one.
Msg #2912 Dated 23:42:07 11-22-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: BEST OF TIMES/WORST OF TI
I've just been compiling a few statistics concerning MAGIC! that I
thought might be of interest... From November 1, 1990 to November
21, 1990 there were 656 logons. 249 of these (38%) were the week
of November 15th to the 21st. We averaged 35.6 calls per day.
The average on-line time per call was 14.2 minutes.
I also looked at the weekday and weekend hours when the system is
least and most used. Based on a one week review (11/15-11/21),
the best time to call on either a weekday or a weekend is 4 a.m.
Pacific Time (0% utilization). On weekdays, the next best hour is
5 a.m. (8.67% utilization). On a weekend, the next best hour is
3 a.m. (0% utilization), but on weekdays 3 a.m. is actually the
7th busiest hour (18.67% utilization). Here's the whole chart
showing last weeks "best" and "worst" hours (all times are
Pacific Time):
WEEKDAYS
Start Start Start
of Utili- of Utili- of Utili-
Hour zation Hour zation Hour zation
4 a.m. 0.00% 1 p.m. 28.00% 1 a.m. 55.00%
5 a.m. 8.67% 12 noon 28.33% 9 p.m. 55.67%
7 a.m. 9.33% 10 a.m. 28.33% 6 p.m. 55.67%
8 a.m. 13.67% 9 a.m. 29.33% 8 p.m. 58.67%
11 a.m. 14.33% 2 p.m. 46.33% 4 p.m. 65.00%
2 a.m. 17.67% 5 p.m. 49.00% 3 p.m. 66.33%
3 a.m. 18.67% 7 p.m. 49.00% 11 p.m. 69.33%
6 a.m. 19.33% 12 mid. 54.33% 10 p.m. 70.00%
WEEKENDS
Start Start Start
of Utili- of Utili- of Utili-
Hour zation Hour zation Hour zation
3 a.m. 0.00% 12 mid. 20.83% 8 p.m. 39.17%
4 a.m. 0.00% 1 p.m. 20.83% 9 p.m. 45.83%
5 p.m. 0.00% 7 p.m. 24.17% 11 p.m. 49.17%
6 a.m. 0.00% 4 p.m. 25.83% 10 p.m. 51.67%
3 p.m. 0.00% 1 a.m. 27.50% 12 noon 51.67%
2 p.m. 2.50% 5 p.m. 27.00% 11 a.m. 57.50%
7 a.m. 3.33% 2 a.m. 29.17% 6 p.m. 65.00%
8 a.m. 17.50% 10 a.m. 36.67% 9 a.m. 72.50%
Overall, we are using 35% (+/- 2%) of our capacity. Of course, the
information represents only one week, but you might want to look at
alternate calling times if you have had trouble signing on at 10
p.m.
Msg #2913 Dated 0:17:40 11-23-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-05
The fifth set of MAGIC! messages - #2000 (Oct. 20, 1990) to
#2499 (Nov. 12, 1990) have been transfered to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-05.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download that file, and read the fifth
volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the
PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed
version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-05.ZIP and is about
1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transfering these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #2917 Dated 4:55:50 11-23-90 2883 <--> 2931
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: LINKING CARD
The first marketed version of the Linking Cards which offered a finish
where the linked cards were given away as a souvenir was Sixten Beme's
version. This was basically the version that Doug Henning performed on
one of his specials. There's a copy of this manuscript in the Castle
library.
Msg #2918 Dated 4:58:49 11-23-90 2908 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DIAMOND JACK -SAM BELLMAN
Bob Neale has written a wonderful book entitled "Trick Tales" which has
two "Diamond Jack"-type routines. Stephen Minch's Hermetic Press will
be publishing this book, but I don't know their schedule; probably not
until next year.
Msg #2920 Dated 10:36:03 11-23-90 -> 2925
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: ALL
Re: ABBOT'S
...still waiting for a response to message #2784
Msg #2922 Dated 12:18:58 11-23-90 2854 <--> 2926
From: TABBY CRABB
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: CARD IDEAS
Have some 1/8" plex cut to fit several airliner windows and stick a
card on the inside. Put it in when mark is in bathroom and go from
there. Be careful when you pop it out though, you don't wanna give
someone a heart attack........What I'm wanting to know is did Biro
leave his laptop at home???......tabman
Msg #2925 Dated 12:50:50 11-23-90 2920 <--> 2930
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ABBOT'S
Does anyone have Abbot's address? Jonathan Kaufthal is looking for it.
Msg #2926 Dated 12:51:52 11-23-90 2922 <--> 3000
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CARD IDEAS
Good idea for the airline window trick! I was once on a flight and saw
a guy apparently trying to OPEN A WINDOW. He was using a pocketknife
on the plexiglass. I mentioned it to the stewardess - boy, did she
move quick!
Yes, Pete took a vacation - 48 hours without his laptop! Probably
going through withdrawal right now.
Msg #2929 Dated 13:10:24 11-23-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: GAFFSHOE.TXT
Geno Munari has uploaded a very interesting article on gaffed card
shoes. It is in the MAGIC! files area as GAFFSHOE.TXT.
Msg #2930 Dated 14:57:36 11-23-90 2925 <--> 2932
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: ABBOT'S
Just address all mail to:
Abbott's Magic Co.
Colon, Michigan 49040
or...
phone them at (616) 432-3235,6.
Msg #2931 Dated 17:50:31 11-23-90 2917 <-
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LINKING CARD
Thank you Max. I'll forward this info.
s
Msg #2932 Dated 17:51:03 11-23-90 2925 <--> 2939
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: ABBOT'S
Abbott's Magic Mfg
Colon, MI 49040
(616) 432-3235
They have no street address..................
Msg #2935 Dated 20:51:42 11-23-90
From: GARY PLANTS
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC BBS
Hello to all on the magic bbs. Just saw the Penn and Teller special.
What did you all think?
Msg #2937 Dated 20:59:02 11-23-90 -> 3013
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: PENNANDTELLER
Saw the Penn and Teller Special a couple of hours ago and
don't really know what to think. Does the magic community take
any sort of official stance on this sort of thing? I wonder if
they bought all those thumbtips at Tannens? The fire eating bit
was pretty good as was the opening bit...though I'm somewhat
dismayed at the tv exposure of mirrors and blackart...I guess all
ya'll out on the left coast are watching right now so maybe I can
get on MAGIC! right now....be interesting to see the comments on
this....yours, tabman.......
Msg #2938 Dated 22:56:27 11-23-90 -> 2943
From: JIM SISTI
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: P & T 4 G
I thought that the Penn & Teller special was even more destructive to
the spirit of our art than usual. Doug Henning said it best when he
said: "The art of a magician is to create wonder. If we live with a
sense of wonder, our lives become filled with joy." Granted, P & T do
comedy magic. Harry Anderson does too, but still manages to maintain
a deep respect for our craft. Magic should be inspiring, uplifting and
entertaining. Penn & Teller are vindictive, violent, insulting and
depressing.
Msg #2939 Dated 0:01:49 11-24-90 2930 <--> 2949
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOT'S
Thanks. Jonathan, did you get that? The address is in message #2930.
Msg #2942 Dated 1:14:26 11-24-90 2642 <--> 2966
From: RICHARD HART
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
Stan,
I'd like very much to give you a hand with your show, but I need to
ask you a few questions first. You said you're performing for an
audience of about 200. Are you working from a stage or platform? Will
you have access to a P.A.? Remember, you can't entertain 'em if they
can't hear you or see you. Also, how long do they want you to perform?
If you can get back to me with these answers, I can probably help you
put together something that will work.
_richard
Msg #2943 Dated 6:54:27 11-24-90 2938 <--> 2951
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: P & T 4 G
Well said.
Msg #2944 Dated 9:31:02 11-24-90 -> 2955
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: RINGER EFFECTS
There are many "ringer" effects what's good and what's bad....and under
what conditions? Also can anyone refer me to info regarding the use of
the Himber wallet? I currently use it in a headline prediction and
cannot find any more applications. Thanks from Connecticut.
Msg #2947 Dated 10:55:29 11-24-90 -> 2948
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: P&T4G
These so-called "bad boys" of magic need a good spanking!
"DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME" was really a destructive hour with the costs
being borne by hard-working professional magis everywhere. The
senseless exposing of secrets does irreparable harm to the art of
magic. The militant "gang" mentality which they display no different
than painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa...destruction solely for
destruction's sake...for no other reason than "they CAN!"
This is the type of "entertainment" that transforms audiences into
hooting, howling GANGS...encouraging further destruction, in the same
way that Nazi gangs cheered the snowballing rampage of book burnings
and Crystal Night.
That's what's wrong with Penn & Teller.
The fact that they had a network special is what's wrong with network
television...appealing once again to the LOWEST common denominator.
The fact that anyone would watch such sickness is what's wrong with
our American society in the 1990's...confusing destruction for
entertainment and rudeness for talent.
Msg #2948 Dated 12:01:54 11-24-90 2947 <--> 2956
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: P&T4G
What I don't understand is why do they do it. They have
potential as comedy magicians without use of exposure and
rudeness, or are these substitutes because they don't think
they're talented enough to make it without this attitude. I don't
know.....and what was this business about flipping the verbal
finger at magicians everywhere....who pissed these guys off.
Msg #2949 Dated 12:08:55 11-24-90 2920 <--> 2950
From: RANDY LUND
To: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL (X)
Re: ABBOT'S
You can write Abbotts at
Abbotts Magic
Colon MI
49040
or call them at 616-432/3235 or 616-432/3236
Randy
Msg #2950 Dated 12:10:36 11-24-90 2925 <--> 2971
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: ABBOT'S
Done Deal, FYI
Abbotts Magic
Colon, MI
49040
Phone 616 432-3236 or 616 432-3235
Randy Lund
Msg #2951 Dated 12:13:08 11-24-90 -> 2953
From: RANDY LUND
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: P & T 4 G
As comedy, funny, sort of...as magic absymal. The tricks were trite,
poorly done and magicians certainly weren't hurt by giving away those
"secrets".
Randy Lund, Portage MI
Msg #2952 Dated 12:16:31 11-24-90
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: PENN & TELLER
I jsaw the special last nite and thought the humor was at best juvenile
and the magic, such as it was, poorly done. In fact I thought it was
so poorly done that the explanations were redundant. My 8 year old had
them scooped before they explained. I doubt however that "Magic" was
hurt by these two clowns any more that the theatre is hurt by a play
that bombs, or the movie industry is hurt by a bad movie. People still
know and respect quality and recognize a real turkey like P&T for what
they are. Once again the networks have show their utter disdain for
the public by foisting off that sort of shear crap as entertainment.
Randy & Marilyn Lund
Msg #2953 Dated 12:39:17 11-24-90 -> 2958
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: P & T 4 G
Throughout history there have been people willing to sell out
their friends and colleagues for a few shekels. They have
become a part of our language -- words like quisling and names
like Judas Iscariot. But Penn and Teller wouldn't understand
that. They think it a mark of their popularity to receive in-
sults like that. They, like the others before them, can't real-
ize that their popularity is not the result of power, but that
they are the cheap, sorry, toys of the audience. They are not
the heroes, they are the stooges. Bits of tissue paper to be
used up and discarded.
What matters to them the thousands of years that magicians have
been faithful to a code of secrecy? The years and lives that
have gone into making a craft? On their network special, "Don't
Try This At Home," they went out of their way to insult the magic
profession, to attempt to prompt it to anger. They begged for
letters from magicians, letters to be used as grist for their
publicity mill.
In truth, there is nothing that can be done. Writing angry
letters to them, publishing editorials in magic magazines, will
only inflate the egos of a couple of cheap hustlers.
There is no legal recourse open to the magic profession. A
boycott of sponsors would probably be too small and would go
unnoticed. I feel sorry for their parents, sorry for their magic
teachers, sorry for the audience, and sorriest for Penn and
Teller. They aren't smart, they are too stupid to know better.
Msg #2955 Dated 12:58:30 11-24-90 2944 <--> 3015
From: JIM SISTI
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: RINGER EFFECTS
Connecticut? That's where I'm from (Beacon Falls). I use "Ring Flite"
quite extensively in my restaurant work. I perform in CT restaurants
six nights a week. Concerning the Himber wallet, I have quite a few
interesting source materials. Perhaps you might want to call me voice
at 729-4278. I also publish a bi-monthly newsletter for restaurant
magicians with quite a subscribership now. Give me a call if you wish.
Best wishes...
Jim
Msg #2956 Dated 13:11:02 11-24-90 2948 <--> 2962
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P&T4G
My dear Tabman, you have hit upon the ONLY mystery these two
Neanderthagicians retain!
Msg #2957 Dated 13:16:32 11-24-90 -> 3027
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: THANX
Thank you, Douglas. The newletter arrived and handed me a smile. If
I could only translate my Tinder Box fame into complimentary cigars,
I'd really have something!
Best wishes and thanks again.
'Wayne.
Msg #2958 Dated 13:58:27 11-24-90 -> 2972
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: P & T 4 G
Penn and Teller are very good at pointing out what is wrong with
with magic and magicians. They highlight the things about us that
people find annoying. In that respect they do a fairly good
service.
I disagreed strongly with the exposure of the mirror principle.
I felt it was gratuitous and had very little value except to
sensationalize the show. The previews to the show capitalized on
the fact the they would be exposing secrets.
Their socio-political commentary during the marshmallow attack
sequence was brilliant.
The King of the Traps routine was great fun and had some neat
"Moments" with Teller.
The Fire Eating was a priceless send up of David Copperfield.
The "exposure" of the box trick did very little harm in my
opinion.
The bee sequence was a perfect example of Penn and Teller at
their best, denigrating magicians in a unique way without exposing
too many secrets.
The Jane Curtin sequence didn't do a damn thing for me. Was this
a way of satirizing the shows that take clebrities and teach them
to do "Magic"?
The exposure of the truck trick did little damage to the art as
they were not exposing a widely used principle.
The way to counter act the negative effects of Penn and Teller is
to go out and prove them wrong. We aren't just a bunch of "Greasy
guys in tuxedo pulling bunnies from hats." If we can learn from
the criticism that is showered upon us from Penn and Teller then
maybe they will actually do more good than harm to the art of
magic.
Steve Kucera
the Wine Country Wizard
[C
anta Rosa,,ca
707 578 8920
Msg #2962 Dated 14:29:35 11-24-90 2956 <--> 2968
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: P&T4G
Yeah, but the real "trick" is the Andrew Dice Clay one -- get publicity
at any price.
Msg #2965 Dated 17:37:42 11-24-90 -> 2967
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HELP IS ON THE WAY
Stanley,
Under the circumstances that you have outlined I think it's
necessary for you to develop a game plan for the next couple of
weeks so your show will be a big success. I did my very first show
on a months notice and it worked out pretty well.
I wouldn't suggest thinking beyond December 16th right now. You had
best focus all your concentration on this show.
First you must address the challenge of trick selection. You need
visual magic that is inexpensive to buy/build. You need material
that requires very little practice for the mechanics of the trick
(this way you can concentrate on the presentation). The following
list of material fits these criterion;
Professors Nightmare
Paper balls over head
Cut and restore Ropes/hanks/paper etc...
Any borrowed item vanished and found elsewhere
Any borrowed item destroyed and restored
Vanishing liquid in newspaper (marketed as In The News for very
little dough)
After you have finalized your trick selection you should turn to
routining your act and individual effects. First the act. I would
suggest the following;
1) Fast working visual opener that establishes you as a magician
2) Slightly slower effect. Still visual but aimed at getting your
personality known.
3) Good time for a sucker gag so kids can let off steam.
4) Routine using audience member in one way or another
5) Serious magic trick
6) Perhaps another routine using audience member
7) High impact closer
Tips:
Know EXACTLY what you are going to say at the beginning and end
of your act. If need be, let the middle suffer but ENTER and EXIT on
a strong note.
Go short if need be but NEVER stay on too long.
If the audience is responsive to your jokes then milk them for all
their worth. If they are not responding then truncate your routines
and pick up the pace a bit.
Try to keep the kiddies from forming a group in front of the stage.
If they are with their parents then you have a general audience. If
you have a group of kids in front you have two audience types,
general and children. They dont behave the same way.
Come out before the show and introduce yourself. Get the audience to
know you and like you. If they like you, you have already won the
battle.
If a blatant mistake is made say this, " Ladies and gentlemen,
sometimes mistakes will happen. One just happened. I apologize". Get
on with the show.
Dont use an audience member in your closer. When the trick is
completed it is best that you are onstage alone and ready to take a
bow.
Good luck. Call me if you have any more questions .
Steve Kucera
the Wine Country Wizard
707 578 8920
P.S. I wrote this message off line and had one hell of a time uploading
it. But I was persistent because I want to see Stan Lake succeed. Hope
all goes well.
Msg #2966 Dated 17:59:56 11-24-90 2942 <--> 2985
From: STAN LAKE
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
Hi Richard. I don't believe I will be on a stage but I will have
access to a microphone. The show will be approximately 20 minutes in
length although I haven't timed it yet. What I have so far is this-
Ask to borrow a deck of cards which of course no one has and proceed to
use my own which are invisible. Of course it's the invisible deck
routine. Next a simple half centavo routine where the centavo vanishes
from one hand and appears in the previously empty other hand. Next,
the die box routine. Next an adaptation of a trick I saw Scott Cervine
do where I first produce an apple, core it, wrap it in a paper napkin
and place it on the table. Next, produce a silk, have it initialed,
vanished and reapper in the cored apple. Next a prediction effect
using the card named Joe principle. I will instead have different
dates written on the backs of the cards. The chosen card being
December 25th which matches my prediction. Next, Don Allans comedy egg
can routine where I break an egg into a canister, place a card on top
and invert it onto my helpers head. The card is taken out, held up to
read "DO NOT REMOVE". All ends up well with the canister being filled
with candy. Next the card on forehead and last I will attempt to do a
card location by placing the deck in my inside coat pocket. After two
failures I tell them to concentrate on it and make a big mental picture
and I proceed to bring out a jumbo card of their chosen card. After
receiving (Hopefully!) some applause I will unfold an accordianed sign
from behind the card saying THANK YOU and after a bit more (Again,
Hopefully!) applause I will turn the sign over where it reads MERRY
CHRISTMAS. I have written a number of jokes and gags into the routine
but that is the bare bones of it. Any comments would be GREATLY
appreciated! Thank you very much in advance... Stan
Msg #2967 Dated 18:21:26 11-24-90 2965 <--> 2986
From: STAN LAKE
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: HELP IS ON THE WAY
Dear Steve: Thank you for your time and persistence in loading up your
helpful reply to my kiddie show problem. If you look at message #2966
that I wrote to Richard Hart, you can see basically what I have planned
so far. Before the show I plan on going around making animal balloons
for the kids so that should be helpful. I don't have a fast visual
opener. I took a few tips from the book "Kid Biz", and I had planned
on telling them they had to pay close attention to what I was doing to
have the most fun and then asking a few riddles. E.G. Which weighs more
a pound of feathers or a pound of rocks. And hopefully get things off
into a fun start. But you've got a good point about that opener. Do
you have any ideas on that? Again, I am very appreciative of your time
and effort to help. I'll look forward to hearing from you!... Stan
Msg #2968 Dated 18:37:59 11-24-90 2962 <--> 2970
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: P&T4G
Yes, but the ones getting the publicity never seem to be the ones
paying the price!!!
Msg #2970 Dated 19:23:51 11-24-90 2968 <--> 2992
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: P&T4G
And they see that as an even better deal. There are always those who
"win" by taking advantage of somebody else. That doesn't mean that
everybody should do it. I'm optomisitic -- I think "me first" was a
characteristic of the '80's and that the '90's may, after Milliken,
Keating, and Penn & Teller, see a revival of some degree of human
concern and respect for others.
Msg #2971 Dated 21:11:33 11-24-90 2949 <--> 3012
From: JONATHAN KAUFTHAL
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOT'S
Thanks for the info. --JK
Msg #2972 Dated 22:02:17 11-24-90 2958 <--> 2975
From: JIM SISTI
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: P & T 4 G
The marshmellow attack sequence...a brilliant socio-political
commentary? You feel that a needless attack on much more successful
performers like Copperfield and Siegfried & Roy was warrented or
justified? Perhaps you've been drinking your props again. Penn and
Teller do NOTHING GOOD for magic. They are condescending cretins who
are capitalizing on a certain percentage of the population's affection
for black humor. I have no desire or need to prove Penn & Teller
wrong. Time and fickle audiences will do that. Copperfield, Siegfried
& Roy, and all other performers who honor the proud traditions of our
craft will be around long after Penn & Teller have been reduced to
footnotes in the annals of magic. It's fine if you enjoyed the show,
but PLEASE don't attach any importance, relevance or "lessons to be
learned" to any of it...I doubt Penn & Teller did. They just wish to
be obnoxious...that's their schtick. As I was working tonight (I
perform close-up magic full time), popular lay audience opinion was
wildly against the show. The main thrust of most comments were, "What
is Penn & Teller's problem? Truth be told, the only really magical
sequence was Jane Curtin's ribbon trick (you remember, the one that
didn't do a damn thing for you?). Granted, it was taught to her and
the patter scripted, but it was eloquent and magical. Magic should be
uplifting and inspiring and should reach out to the child (the small
part of us that still thinks that dreams can come true and that
anything is possible) in all of us. Penn & Teller want to tear that
all down. There are thousands of "greasy rabbit pullers" worldwide who
still make children (and adult) eyes gleam at the sight of colored
silks, exotic-looking boxes and yes...rabbits! If magicians "on the
cutting edge" are what you're looking for, check out Rudy Coby, Kevin
James, Vito Lupo, Jeff McBride and others...all gifted performers who
feel no psychotic urge to constantly expose secrets and insult and
ridicule other performers. Penn & Teller are no better than "The
Mystery Magician." Who knows...maybe on their next special, they'll
take some shots at "greasy wine pullers."
Msg #2973 Dated 23:40:44 11-24-90 -> 2982
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC MANUSCRIPT
There's a rather credible rumor going around -- Tannen's will be
ceasing publication of Magic Manuscript soon. Any subscribers heard
about it yet?
Msg #2975 Dated 1:40:14 11-25-90 2972 <--> 2976
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: P & T 4 G
Hi Jim,
Just to keep an open mind I went back and looked at my "review" of the
show. I was under the impression that Dante Larsen wanted some
magicians opinions. I presented an opinion before lloking at the others
which definitely left me in the minority.
I didnt expect a debate or I propably wouldnt have posted my
thoughts. But at least let me clear up a few things.
THe brilliants social commentary I referred to was not the attacks on
David Copperfeld et al, but rather their dissertation about television
censors and how there " would be no violence in Detroit" etc...
I have nothing against greasy rabbit pullers myself. I do enjoy magic
on the cutting adge as well as classical magic that is well done.
The comment about me drinking my props again was a personal insult.
Please dont imply that by disagreeing with your opinion I must be out
of my senses or unable to think clearly.
For the record I dont think that P&T are good for magic. I think they
are detrimental but to what degree I am not sure.
And for what it is worth, I will not be going to see them in San
Francisco like I had earlier planned. My decision not to go was based
on what I saw on the T.V. show.I decided that their show is propably
not worth the ticket price.
I am not a Penn and Teller fan by any means. But I gave my honest
opinion and I will stick by it for the time being with an option to
retract with no advance warning.
Msg #2976 Dated 2:04:46 11-25-90 2975 <--> 2993
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: P & T 4 G
I think that we all have enough respect for each other not to let Penn
and Teller start a feud. On the other hand, I'm glad to see a full
range of opinions being expressed. Certainly keeps MAGIC! from being
too quiet.
Steve, I found your comment that you will not be going to see them MOST
INTERESTING. I'm doing the same thing! After seeing the show, I too
decided that it wasn't worth the ticket price.
Msg #2978 Dated 3:56:53 11-25-90 -> 2979
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: PENN & TELLER
It is with some amusement, and a great deal of astonishment, that I've
read the various comments on the recent Penn & Teller network special.
While I'm not surprised that the comments have been negative, I am
somewhat startled at the vehemence displayed. Comparing P&T to nazis
goes a bit overboard, I think.
One person wrote, toward condemning the show, that the magic was
"trite." Love them or hate them, the last thing you can say about them
is that their work is trite. In fact, they are constantly breaking new
ground; even if you find their direction offensive, repulsive, or
worse, at least acknowledge that.
Penn & Teller have been deping their work over the past sixteen
years. They are hardly an "overnight" thing, nor are they going to be
a "flash in the pan." I've no idea as to the ratings of this show, but
their theater show has been a great success with both the critics and
the public. They've had major television exposure, and will continue to
fill theaters. Their special was _network_, and produced by one of the
most powerful people in the industry. It was done with the cooperation
of Radio City Music Hall. NBC was obviously pleased enough with the
show to have P&T host "Friday Night Videos" to promote it. They are
currently on a national tour, having done Toronto and Chicago. Their
press has been excellent, and they'll continue to fill theaters.
If their work bothers you, perhaps you should analyze why... and
also ask yourself why so many lay people enthusiastically like them.
Mud-slinging and name-calling accomplishes nothing. Attacking people
who like them accomplishes nothing. Dismissing them is fruitless; they
are not going to disappear; they are not unimportant, and you'd better
devote some effort toward figuring out why.
I'm not suggesting that you should like Penn & Teller; that is a
matter of personal taste, as is every artistic response. But do not
assume that everyone hates them, or insist that every magician
_should_ hate them. They are not nazis, neanderthals, or fools.
One particularly angry message made reference to painting a
moustache on the Mona Lisa. This was meant to be a derogatory metaphor.
However, it happens to be (I presume inadvertently) a direct reference
to Marcel Duchamp, arguably the single most important influence in the
development of 20th century art. Study Duchamp, and you may discover
that there is a place for moustached Monas.
I'm sorry to hear that some people have decided to skip seeing P&T
perform their live show when it comes to their town. I have not seen
the current touring show, but have seen previous editions. Contrary to
what you might expect, there are sequences with great depth, passion,
and even parts that are uplifting.
I was going to stay out of this discussion, but what the hell. I'll
be happy to engage in further conversation on the subject, but I will
ignore any attacks like the ones I've just read.
Msg #2979 Dated 6:59:55 11-25-90 2978 <--> 2995
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PENN & TELLER
I've seen their live show in DC and enjoyed it. I've basically felt P&T
were harmless until seeing this special...what bothered me was their
attitute toward magicians - even if it is a tv attitude, or just for
the show....flipping the finger, I think I said....Teller was doing
magic before he got together with Penn as Teller The Magician and
achieved a degree of success in that arena...the opening sequence of
the show was exciting from the audience perspective, though I know it
made magicians uncomfortable...I still wonder who pissed these guys
off. I guess its out of the question to request them for the IBM
Convention next year.....
Msg #2980 Dated 7:04:18 11-25-90
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
Charlie, hope your holiday trip was a goodun...also looking forward to
seeing you up this way in a week or so...a couple of books I'd like if
still avail...#140,146,262 or 263,312,368,464,473,488,525,569,600...
Any or all...See ya in a few, tabman
Msg #2982 Dated 8:40:36 11-25-90 2973 <--> 2994
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC MANUSCRIPT
That is absolutely true. Frank Garcia (one of MM's columnists)
confirmed it when I spoke with him on the phone the other day. Magic
Manuscript is history!
Msg #2983 Dated 8:49:12 11-25-90 -> 3075
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: HORSE APPLES
Magic is unique among the performing arts in that
professionals and amateurs hang out together and enjoy each
others company and usually share "secrets" etc. However, there is
one basic difference...pros use magic as a vehicle to make their
living and amateurs use magic to make their fun...the most
fulfilled perhaps is the pro who's hobby is also magic (as it
seems most pros fit into this catagory).
Unfortunately, it seems P&T do not fit into this
catagory, but I guess its kinda like the music biz....musicians
don't buy many records and there aren't enough magicians to
constantly fill halls...however, look at the top of any show
profession, the top draws don't depend on controversy to rise to
fame and longevity. (examples: Bob Hope, Seigfred & Roy,
Copperfield, Blackstone, Johnny Carson)
Talked with a friend at NBC...said the network was
dismayed by P&Ts scathing attack on others in the biz...perhaps
this is the straw that will break the camels back as far as big
league tv is concerned though heir live show will probably
continue to do well for some years to come.
Our responsibility is to rise above the ground level BS
and continue to foster the kind of information exchange we've
(MAGIC!) become known for. Perhaps P&T should be invited to
perform at a magicians convention so we can see another side of
these guys. I wonder if they'd come if invited. Also, if someone
has their address, wait I do, can send them a flyer on MAGIC! and
invite their participation.
Gloria (the ultimate consumer) watched the P&T special
with me the other night. She noticed the digs against magi and
wondered why they did it also (she's not a magician but is a top
amateur athelete) and feels the special might spell the end of
P&Ts tv career....we'll see.....look what happened to "the dice".
Anyway, I love MAGIC! and magic and the people who make a
difference (no names, but a lot of you are on here). I don't
believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, but I do believe in
myself and in my ability to discern the difference between whats
good press and whats bad press. (Be interesting to read the
review in Variety when it comes out to see the jaded reviewers
thought.)
Understand this too, what plays big in Manhattan might
not play at all in Peoria (just coincidence Jon) or Cedar Rapids.
The New York entertainment biz thrives on whats different
and.....theres lots of dirt and violence in the big apple. To
quote Rockman who plays drums for Catch 22 (from the
apple)..."ah, I love New York, smell that dirt"......tabman..
Msg #2985 Dated 9:00:25 11-25-90 2942 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: KIDDIE SHOWS
I was thinking instead of starting the show with the invisible deck
routine I could start with the Professors Nightmare. This would lend
itself towards the type of audience I will have better than the
invisible deck if I change the patter. The adults in the crowd will be
either postal letter carriers or spouses of carriers. Every letter
carrier thinks his or her route is too long compared to every other
letter carrier. With this in mind I could have the three ropes
represent different routes. I would show how all routes are really
different but management thinks they are all the same. It is really
just an illusion as I show them to be in fact, all different. What do
you think? Or do you recommend any other openers? Steve Kucera,
another Magic! user suggested I have a fast visual opener. I don't
think I know of any off hand but I'm certainly willing to learn!
Msg #2986 Dated 9:08:49 11-25-90 2965 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: HELP IS ON THE WAY
Steve, instead of opening my act with the invisible deck routine, how
about if I did the professors nightmare instead? I came up with a good
patter that will specifically fit that crowd. The adults will be made
up of postal letter carriers or spouses of carriers. One thing they
all have in common is that they think their own routes are too long and
management does not. The three ropes could represent three routes.
Showing them first to be all different and then showing how management
has the illusion they are all the same. They all begin and end at the
same time (represented by the beginning and ends of the ropes). Then
showing the reality that some routes are short, medium and long.
This may not be the fast, visual opener you had in mind. If not I
could do something else to open and I would replace the card on the
forehead routine with the professors nightmare. I really thought I had
one too many card tricks anyway. Tell me what you think! Thanks...
Stan
Msg #2987 Dated 9:28:11 11-25-90 -> 2988
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: PENN & TELLER
I had taped the P&T special so I am a little late with my own comments.
After reading everyone elses comments I have to agree in several areas.
1. I think they were detrimental to magic.
2. I wouldn't go to see them if they were playing next door.
I really didn't receive much enjoyment out of the show or much
entertainment value and isn't that why we go to see a show? I thought
maybe I was offended because I love the art and craft of magic too much
to see it muddied, however, even my wife who doesn't care one way or
the other thought them to be in poor taste.
When the question comes up as to why they do it I would have to say it
comes down to one word. MONEY. I do not think they could do anywhere
near as well if they did any other sort of magic. They have found a
tiny niche which fits their own destructive personalities and are
playing it to the hilt. They wouldn't do it if it didn't pay well. I
just hope the public soon tires of it. I have only seen them once and
I know I have already tired of them.
Msg #2988 Dated 10:02:06 11-25-90 2987 <-
From: TIM JACKSON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PENN & TELLER
Penn and Teller recently played Toronto, Ontario for two weeks. I did
not go see them but I understand they soldout most nights. Another
several thousand "fans" that have their view of magicians tainted.
Msg #2989 Dated 10:49:01 11-25-90
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: TRIP
Y'all come. howie.
Msg #2990 Dated 10:50:23 11-25-90
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: SPONGE BALLS
Doug, the wetting works real well with SS also. When they dry out
they are like new. Howie.
Msg #2991 Dated 11:44:44 11-25-90
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW FILES
David Sacks has put together an index of Epilogue magazine. There are
two files: E_TITLE.NDX, an index by title, and E_AUTHOR.NDX, by author.
Notice that the filenames have an underline character after the E.
These two files are in the MAGIC! files area and can be downloaded.
Thanks, David!
A reminder:
To reach the files area from the Main Menu:
o Type F for File SubSystem and press the ENTER key.
To list the MAGIC! files from the Files Menu:
o Type L;13 (that's the letter L followed by a semi-colon [;]
followed by the "MAGIC! number" 13)
o Press the ENTER key.
Msg #2992 Dated 12:21:37 11-25-90 2970 <--> 3028
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: P&T4G
Well, David...
I'm sorry to say that I'm not as optimistic as you seem to be.
This, however, is a fine and EXTREMELY RARE example of one of my
opinions which I actually hope will be proven wrong!
'Wayne.
Msg #2993 Dated 12:29:15 11-25-90 2972 <--> 3014
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: P & T 4 G
BRAVO, MR. SISTI!
Msg #2994 Dated 12:31:54 11-25-90 2973 <--> 3029
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC MANUSCRIPT
My sources tell me that the next issue is the final one.
No big loss. Magazines that are closely tied to a dealer are usually
too biased in their reporting. Who wants to subscribe to an
advertisement? The dealers should be sending that stuff gratis.
I'd like to see more magazines take an independent editorial approach.
You don't see many reviews that pan a trick, book or tape, do you?
And yet, how many of us have drawers, or in some cases ROOMS full of
tricks, books, videos that we have discarded as being useless?
EVERY BOOK, TRICK, AND VIDEO OFFERED BY A DEALER IS NOT NECESSARILY A
WINNER! What editor has the guts to offer the working magi with a
limited budget the VALUABLE information on which to buy AND WHICH TO
AVOID???
Someday, someone is going to realize that a periodical with INTEGRITY
can be successful. I'd like to see some HONEST reporting and HONEST
editorial opinion in print!
THAT IS WHAT MAKES ANNEMAN'S "JINX" STILL SHINE OVER FIFTY YEARS AFTER
IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRINTED!
Msg #2995 Dated 12:45:14 11-25-90 2978 <--> 3009
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PENN & TELLER
The attacks, Mr. Maven, come from P&T. I suggest you review a tape of
the program.
Msg #2996 Dated 12:50:12 11-25-90 -> 3010
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: P&T
I hope this is my last comment on this tripe...
but, for clarification...
I was looking forward to the P&T special for weeks. I set up the VCR
and sat my wife down so we could enjoy it together.
I had no previous axe to grind with P&T...
I've always enjoyed them. I haven't always agreed with their choices,
but so what? I've always enjoyed them.
My opinions expressed regarding their special are admittedly strong and
I stand by them.
Yes, there is a place for moustaches on the mona lisa...but only if you
add your "improvement" to a copy. It's not permissable, in my view to
damage the original.
Penn & Teller's approach is vindictive and hurtful to people who earn
their living performing magic, the "rabbit-pullers," if you must.
Hurting people is not art...nor is it entertainment. (I'm not a boxing
fan, either.)
I'm sure that if Penn & Teller did an expose of a blindfolded walk
through Disney world to find a pair of twins...well, opinions might
differ.
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