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Msg #5000 Dated 21:22:09 01-08-91 4965 <-
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GRILLED CHEESE
Hey there Tabman,
Lake county is real nice. I don't get up there much but I
will be in the future. My company is handling the marketing
for a new entertainment franchise and Lake Co. is one of
the territories we have. Please give a call or message
when dates become finalized. I will go up there if need be
and of course my house is always welcome to wayward
magicians. I don't have cable though. When I bought the
place I decided against installing it deciding that if I
watch too much t.v. I will propably never be on t.v.
I am not going to make the dessert seminar this year
even though I promised myself I would. I am running the
biz, working the day job, taking dance class as well as
taking concealed weapons training this spring. With so
much going on and a concurrent lack of funds I cant really
see myself getting out to Vegas so soon. But its a sacrifice
that will eventually pay off.
I am also heavy into promoting the north coast robot
boxing association ( the entertainment franchise refered
to earlier). Basically its a full size version of a toy
called rock'em sock'em robots that some of us played as
kids. We have the adult size metal version and we will be
traveling all over the north coast doing tournaments in
bars and sports clubs. Sure it's junk entertaiment
compared to magic, but it will provide me the financial
resources to develop other projects. Besides which, its a
hell of a lot of fun.
Msg #5001 Dated 21:23:09 01-08-91 4837 <--> 5022
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CO-OP
Actually the Kool Aid Wizard is not a bad idea. Could be a
corporate gig in my future.
I haven't had a lot of trouble attracting the kiddy market.
Magic at the "grass roots" level is still widely percieved
as nothing more than birthday entertainment. Its up to all
of us to elevate magic and let people know we would be
the perfect entertainment at the next black tie affair etc..
The main marketing challenge of Wine Country Wizardry in the
90's is to show people the real versatility of magical
entertainment. We will continue to do private parties and
conventions as well as continue our work in fund raising,
night clubs, schools, fairs and festivals and WHEREVER THE
HELL ELSE SOMEONE WANTS A MAGICIAN.
My only real competition in this area make the better part
of his living giving lessons and seminars to salespeople. I
have no real problem with this but I get the feeling he is
churning out second rate magicians. He then farms these
clowns ( No offense intended to clowns) out to do private
parties and charges big bucks. I have no fear of competition
but I do worry when I feel something is being done that
harms magic. I worked a gig with some of these guys and when
I went on break they were in the parking lot smoking dope.
Not a great way to maintain a professional image in my
opinion.
So whats new with Stan Lake? Any more stage shows in your
future? I'm doing a gig for some type of printers convention
this weekend and then it looks kind of dry for a while. Time
for me to get out and start hustling those gigs .
Msg #5002 Dated 21:24:00 01-08-91
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: MY BOOKS
My booklist.
Maybe not the choice of others but some of these books were
instrumental in getting me started in magic.
Magic and Showmanship by Henning Nelms.
Amateur Magicians Handbook by Henry Hay
Dunningers Encyclopedia of Magic by Joseph Dunninger
Handbook of Magic by Marvin Kaye
Illustrated Magic by Ottakar Fischer
Illustrated History of Magic by Milbourne Christopher
Pure Magic ( A primer in sleight of hand)
Bill Severns Guide to Magic as a Hobby
Hustle Hustle by Joel Bauer
Msg #5005 Dated 21:43:02 01-08-91
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: BOOKS
I lean toward Clowning (I think there's an operation to correct that
leaning, actually....) so my book list is completely different. Plus
I've only been doing this for three or four years, so.....
.
.
.
1)Expert at the Card Table
2)Creative Clowning
3)The Complete Juggler's Handbook
4)Royal Road to Card Magic
5)Expert Card Techniques
6)The Compleat Clown
7) Anything by Paul Harris
8)Every issue of GENII I can find
.
.
Of course, I'm just starting out, so any donations greatfully
accepted......!
Wobbles!
Msg #5008 Dated 23:54:15 01-08-91 4995 <--> 5045
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: COMP. ISSUE
Got the issue and looked it over today. Magic Menu is coming along
very well - I like the new format, crisp and lively, and the effects in
there were good ones. By the way, you've mentioned balloons in there.
Are you interested in new designs specifically for resturants? I have
one I'm working up.
Despite the extra lines, I'm leary of "chat." It still manages to tie
up the resources (lines, etc.) and it doesn't result in a history.
Will think about it more, but right now there is no plan to add it to
the system.
Msg #5013 Dated 0:22:07 01-09-91 4953 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW MAGIC! SYSTEM
We had a little "burp" in the MAGIC! system Tues. afternoon about 5 p.m.
and for a few minutes calls were going unanswered. This can happen
when one modem on the rotary fails to pick up the call. Until we can
track it down, it may happen again. MAGIC! is here and is working.
So, if you call and the line rings more than twice or three times, call
back in a few minutes. We hope to "debug" the problem soon. Thanks.
Msg #5014 Dated 0:27:42 01-09-91
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: HARBIN'S TELEGRAM EFFECT
I came across this great MC gag/effect from an Genii
special on Robert Harbin. I have used the effect many times and
always gets a chuckle. I changed some of the words around to
suit me. Does anyone have any other similar type gags? I think it
is great. And thank Genii magazine for publishing it. Here is the
workings.
You are on stage in the middle of your act, and a voice from
the wings, "Telegram", "Telegram", interupting you. You reply,
"For me!, etc.
You ask a spectator to assist you in reading the letter. Make
sure here that they read it loud and clear. You then can read
it again, stressing the important points and making some fun at
the lines.
As you can see there are two paragraphs, and a division
between some of the words in the lower section. The lower right
section will be the section that will be the reply to the
telegram. I usually mark the sections with a fine colored
pencil, so that I can proceed with the tearing of the telegram
correctly. It begins, "You worry...etc."
You then tell the spectator that the telegram has no meaning
to you and you rip it into four pieces. You hold two pieces in
each hand, and ask the spectator to point to a hand. You then
remove the undesired pieces, and hold a piece in each hand. You
ask them to point to a piece. You can have some fun with the
lines here. "By the way when is the last time you had a piece,
etc.?"
You the read aloud the reply, from the torn telegram. I hope
you enjoy it. Do you know of any similar effects?
Geno Munari
------------------------------------------------------
TELEGRAM
DEAR GENO:
THIS TELEGRAM IS TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE MONEY
AND I.O.U'S YOU OWE ME FROM GAMBLING. IT GRIEVES ME TO HAVE TO
SEND THIS TYPE OF MESSAGE......BUT YOU WILL AGREE THAT
THIS DEBT IS LONG OVER DUE.
WE DO NOT WISH TO CAUSE YOU WORRY. I WON'T
TAKE THIS TO THE BOYS YET,BUT IF YOU FORGET SO
FREQUENTLY YOUR OBLIGATIONS, SO WILL I, AND
WILL TURN THE MATTER OVER TO ROCCO. WE WILL CALL IT
A NECESSARY STEP IN CUTTING YOUR HEAD OFF!
SINCERELY
THE COSA NOSTRA
PROVO LOAN COMPANY
Msg #5015 Dated 1:51:13 01-09-91 4986 <--> 5019
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: HELLO
Welcome, Tony!
Msg #5016 Dated 5:57:56 01-09-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TOP ... BOOKS
-The following is an article that Bill Palmer wrote for the local
newsletter, of which I am the editor. I had asked him to make a list
of the Great Books of Magic.
Now for the 12 (or so ) Great Books of Magic. (These are not
necessarily in order of greatness!)
1--The Tarbell Course in Magic
2--The Expert at the Card Table by Erdnase (I prefer the Vernon-Caveney
edition called "Revelations." This is just personal preference.)
3--Modern Coin Magic by J.B. Bobo
4--The Fitzkee Trilogy (The Trick Brain, Magic by Misdirection,
Showmanship for Magicians) by Dariel Fitzkee
5--Magic {subtitled "Stage Illusions and Scientific Diversions
Including Trick Photography"} (pub 1897) available in paperback from
Dover.
6--Greater Magic
7--The Experience of Magic by Burger
-8--The Royal Road to Card Magic (Hugard and Braue)
9--The Discoverie of Witchcraft by Reginald Scot (simply because it is
the oldest easily available book in English on the subject--it is
available in a Dover reprint. It is the second oldest book in English
about magic)
10--Magic and Showmanship, a Handbook for Conjurors, by Henning Nelms
11--Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic.
12--The New Makeup of Magic by Mickey Hades
The new Stewart James book looks very good, but I haven't had a chance
to see what all is in it, so I can't put it on the list yet. There are
several other good books that would be good candidates, too, such as
the John Scarne books, the Hoffman books, Illustrated Magic, Corinda's
Thirteen Steps to Mentalism, Annemann's Practical Mental Effects, and
I hate to have to leave out any really good book.
A really good list of 12 great magic books should have about 30 books
on it! Hope this provides food for thought!
Msg #5017 Dated 5:58:59 01-09-91 -> 5021
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DECKS
My address is Charlie Randall, 1500 Bay Area Blvd. #214, Houston, TX
77058. The check is on its way. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #5019 Dated 7:40:40 01-09-91 4986 <--> 5030
From: STAN LAKE
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: HELLO
Welcome Tony. So THAT was you that I have seen at the Castle! I'll be
sure to say "Hi" this Saturday.
Msg #5020 Dated 7:44:35 01-09-91 4988 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OUT OF THIS WORLD
Thanks, and I'll keep it to myself for now. I don't want to infringe
on any copyrights nor do I want to take business away from someone if
this is still being marketed.
Msg #5021 Dated 7:52:29 01-09-91 5017 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: DECKS
OK Charlie, I'll wrap these up and send them off today. I found a guy
who will pay 15 cents per joker but you got "first dibs" on 'em!
Msg #5022 Dated 7:58:34 01-09-91 5001 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: CO-OP
Well I must have done better than I thought at the postal function
since they are still talking about it. They want me again for their
next Christmas party. I haven't done any more stage shows but I did
entertain a womens club my wife belongs to and all of the ladies with
children got my card to do birthday shows for them. I have already
gotten a couple of requests but I decided to turn them down. I know
this is going to sound strange but the parties would have conflicted
with a Bruce Cervon lecture that I didn't want to miss. I didn't tell
them that though, I just said I was already busy on that date. I think
it seems strange since one of the reasons I am pursuing magic is for
the extra income it can bring and yet when I have a chance to make some
I am off learning more magic! At this rate I will one day know a lot
but have nothing to show for it. I have been spending a lot of my
vacation time this week down at the Castle library putting together a
new childrens act since that is what I have had the most demand for.
I would then like to have a good walk around routine and stage or
parlour type act. Right now I just know a lot of disjointed effects so
I've come to learn that knowing the effects is only part of what makes
up the show. I still have a lot of work to do!
Msg #5023 Dated 8:17:21 01-09-91 4997 <--> 5069
From: STAN LAKE
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: RING 21 MEETING
Thanks Darrell, I'm going to call Joe right now and reserve my seat.
See you there!
Msg #5024 Dated 9:26:19 01-09-91 -> 5032
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: PERFORMANCE FEES
Rikker -->
Some more thoughts on getting more money for an act based
on my experience as a artist manager for the past five years.
- the performance fee is a perceived thing, and most
buyers suspect you get what you pay for.
- "regional" acts get more money than "local" acts so
go regional from the getgo. (its perception remember)
- look, feel, and be the part when presenting yourself to
potential buyers. Most buy on "look and feel". You
can't put your finger on feel, but look can take you
about 60% there. This includes promo, dress, even your
mode of transportation.
- if you negotiate your fee down, do it from a point of
strength, always getting some concession from the
buyer, even if it is simply a great letter of
recommendation.
- the people who can "afford" you have a fax machine.
- Get S. Smith's book; "Selling Your Act With Letters."
- develop a mailing list even if you start with only one
name.
- get some press and do regular mailings to your list.
- get a gig in a tv commercial.
- join a show business association and sincerely help
those at the top, but don't "break in line."
- get Michael Ammar's tape; "Negotiating Higher
Performance Fees."
- strive to "get along" with everybody, but don't get
pushed around by the "users" (one must give to receive
and these people don't know that part).
- Remember that the ENTERTAINER has a most difficult and
specialized function and is entitled to be justly
compensated, but don't hesitate to pay your agent, etc..
- develop a "No Problem!" attitude.
- have the Doug Henning levitation poster nicely framed
hanging in view of your desk (optional, but look for a
role model
Speaking of Mr. Henning I had dinner with Doug in Houston
(1970) after a TM seminar. Found him most delightful and
insightful. He did magic and was pushing the TM lifestyle which
eventually helped him achieve great success.
I'm not pushing TM here. Tried that levitation biz just
once and got scared s__tless when I looked down and was 500 feet
above the log cabin I lived in in the Massachusetts hills west of
Amherst. I was about a half mile down the road heading in to
Delano's Bar to have a drink before I realized I was up in the
air in the winter in my underwear.
- Have a GREAT TIME! (very important)
your friend,
_|_ |_
| /-\ |_| |\/| /-\ |\|
tabman candu
Msg #5025 Dated 9:28:23 01-09-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKZ
Thans for your thoughtful message re: my book list quest....I'll
write more later today when my hands thaw out,
tabman
Msg #5026 Dated 9:29:12 01-09-91 -> 5037
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKZ
Charlie....thanks a million for the article. Say, how does one get on
the mailing list for the Houston Magic Club? I remember Gene, he used
to do card tricks on the hood of my car......tc
Msg #5027 Dated 10:17:19 01-09-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MERTZ AND BOOKZ
Jim ->
Glad you talked to Ray Mertz. He really knows how to "put
it on the pavement." Its thrilling to watch him work a bar or
table. Unlike Doc Eason who works the entire bar end to end, Ray
works more intimately for those who can gather around his closeup
pad which he moves around to suit the situation. He speaks
quietly and people strain to hear every word. He always leaves em
laughing.
Thanks for the book info, both the "boners book list" and
the recommendation on the Burger books. "Performance of...."
arrived a couple of daze ago, but haven't had time to get into it
yet. Maybe saturday during lulls in the playoffs. Charlie Randall
also recommended it for the philosophical approach of which I am
interested. I like to watch football games and peruse magic
literature simultaneously. Makes one feel oh, so MANLY.....
Blazing, burning getting thick,
Candle wax dripping down brass stick.
Come this spring I've gotta clean
The waxy buildup off my machine.
P.S. Why not upload a Magic Menu subscription form to the files
area so magicians getting into restaurant/bar magic can get in
touch with ya'll.
tabman..
P.P.S. Also propose adding Jason Randall's PSYCHOLOGY OF
DECEPTION to the list......
Msg #5028 Dated 10:18:52 01-09-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: BOOK AUCTION
The high bid for the 1st Ed. QUALITY MAGIC by Okito is $70.00...
GOING TWICE
Msg #5029 Dated 10:29:01 01-09-91 4992 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: PAT HOLCOMBE (X)
Re: KEN KLOSTERMAN
I SEEN IT.... GREAT STUFF....
Msg #5030 Dated 10:29:28 01-09-91 4998 <--> 5074
From: PETE BIRO
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: HELLO
Which Abbotts are you in need of locating? The Magic Dealer or the one
that sells Sweaters in Colon, MI?
Msg #5032 Dated 10:36:08 01-09-91 5024 <--> 5099
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PERFORMANCE FEES
I know what you felt when self levitating. I have done the same but
found out later the NYQUIL bottle was empty.
Msg #5037 Dated 11:57:03 01-09-91 5026 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKZ
Gene; read Bill
Msg #5038 Dated 13:52:52 01-09-91 -> 5040
From: RICHARD STREET
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRIDGE CARD CONTROL
Thanks for sharing the "secret something that makes it work" on the
board. It's definitely one of those things that will be fun to tease
those in the know with. There's nothing more fun than driving another
cardition crazy. I don't know if I would have let it out or not. Time
will tell if MAGIC! participants will appreciate your openness and
respect the source. Hope so ... anyway - "mums the word" in Nashville.
If I see this advertised I'll consider trading in my close-up case and
going back to music.
I don't do a lot of public shows, mostly birthday parties to help
support my habit of buying gadgets. I do love to get togethers with
other finger flinger types, so we can amaze each other, criticize
constructivly, and generally tell each other how great we are. MAGIC!
will let us do that around the world now. Ain't computers wunderfull!
The first MAGIC! luncheon at the Castle sounds like a blast. Wish I
could make it. Airfare from Nashville would be around $600, plus
taxi's, hotel, not to forget lunch (too long a trip to eat and run).
Generally I hold lunch to about 5 or 6 bucks anyhow, so maybe next
year. Would like to hear how it turns out. One of these days I'd like
to meet you and others I know by name on the board. Ever attend
conventions on the east side?
Got to go, but trying to log on at least every 2 or 3 days, so until we
compute again, have a good-un. ...RS
Msg #5040 Dated 15:23:22 01-09-91 5038 <--> 5078
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD STREET (X)
Re: CRIDGE CARD CONTROL
Be in Baltimore for the IBM... or Stevens in March for MAGIC! Dinner
Msg #5045 Dated 16:36:05 01-09-91 5008 <--> 5080
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: COMP. ISSUE
Thanks for the compliments. We're always interested in new balloon
figures, especially if is specifically for restaurants. Let me know
when it's ready and I'll take a look.
Msg #5049 Dated 18:30:49 01-09-91 -> 5066
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: BOOK LIST
Here' my entries for best Magic Books
.
1. Tarbell Course
2. Bobo's Modern Coin Magic
3. Now you see it, now you don't
4. Amateur Magicians Handbook
5. Illustrated History of Magic
6. Newspaper Magic by Gene Anderson
7. Okito on Magic
.
and for people who are just beginning the book that got Marilyn and I
interested in magic in the first place, the Klutz book of Magic.
.
I would also like to nominate some magical fiction. The books listed
above and most of the others I have seen listed here tell us how to
create effects. These books explore the interesting world of what
would happen if Magic were real.
.
.1. JRR Tolkiens Lord of the Rings for giving us Gandalf
.2. Randall Garrett for the Lord Darcy Stories, Sherlock with a gift in
a world where magic is real.
.3. Piers Anthony for the Adept series for another magical dual worlds
view
.4. and also Piers Anthony again for the Xanth series where the whacky
magic of puns takes over.
.
Unfortunately for those of us who reside in Mundaia we shall only know
the thrill of illuision.
.
Randy and Marilyn, Magicia.................
Msg #5053 Dated 19:32:29 01-09-91 -> 5058
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: ALL
Re: RECRUITING FOR MAGIC!
I've been a big fan of Magic! since it started, and was on the CIS
system when it was active (or at least kinda active...) and my
enthusiasm has hopefully, encouraged others to sign on.
There are two magicians in particular, both full time professionals
that live in Austin, that I have been sharing the messages with.
One, Michael Ammar has already announced his intention to get on
as soon as he lands in town long enough to figure out how to use
the modem and communications program he has for his computer. (he left
today for Vegas, then will be in California later this month on lecture
tour). Hopefully, especially with some of the other users of this
board giving him some not so gentle prodding, he will join us here.
The other is Kent Cummins, whose name may not a household word
in the Magic! community -- although he has been extremely active in
magic for more than 40 years (he turned 48 on January 6th). Kent is
currently president of Assembly 206 of SAM, as well as the Gulf Coast
Regional Vice-President SAM. He is probably best known in this
area as the auctioneer for the IBM Ring 60 (Austin) famous annual Magic
auction, which grossed over $26,000 last February. Kent is also a past
Pres. of IBM RIng 60, past pres. of TAOM, and of the Armed Forces
Magician Association. In addition to being a full time magician,
he lectures on Management and Marketing, and has written numerous
articles on Club Management for a number of publications. Kent has
read every messge that has been on the board, and has started
participated by making a direct contribution to the Sysop to help
with the costs of the system. He has been computer shopping since
Christmas, and hopeully we will have him online in a few weeks.
Msg #5056 Dated 21:18:53 01-09-91 3035 <--> 5086
From: RON BIEBER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: SLOGANS
Thanks for reading the article. I am sure that you will see even more
interesting candid recording devices this weekend at CES. Have a great
time. I will be leaving home at 7:00 am on sund, for the Tustin trip.
It sounds promising with ongoing reports. Sorry you can not make it.
Msg #5058 Dated 21:50:36 01-09-91 5053 <--> 5084
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: RECRUITING FOR MAGIC!
Captain Kent Cummings??
Msg #5065 Dated 22:12:01 01-09-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: KARRELL FOX
Karrell Fox, The King of Korn, is in a hospital near his home in Palm
Springs following a Heart Attack. No details, and don't know which
hospital -- only know that he was doing a show, finished the show, hen
then went to hospital. Is in intensive care. Any more info I find out
tomorrow, will post. Hang in there Foxy One!!!! We need ya!!
Msg #5066 Dated 23:07:55 01-09-91 5049 <--> 5082
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: BOOK LIST
You might be interested in knowing that the late Randall Garrett's Lord
Darcy series has been revived recently; Michael Kurland has written two
further novels.
Msg #5067 Dated 23:09:37 01-09-91 4880 <--> 5088
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: UPLOADS
Thought you might have to look first...can you tell from your end what
type of Computer the program is for or should we put a note telling you
where to locate it ? I have others that I can u/l if A:you have the
disk space B:there is a need for the Program. Much of what I have is
not on the cutting edge but most of it is useful. Let me know
Doug
Msg #5068 Dated 23:12:56 01-09-91 -> 5205
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TAKAGI PHOTO
It was the October, 1983 issue. Also, see page 485 in the February 1989
issue - there's a picture of him at the top center in the montage
(although it's not that good a photo, if you can't locate the earlier
one it's better than nothing).
I dropped an envelope off for you at the Castle a couple of days
ago, with another review column and a trick. They should have put it on
Suzanne's desk. Did you get it?
Msg #5069 Dated 23:17:16 01-09-91 4915 <--> 5102
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: RING 21 MEETING
Stan you can just show up. Thats how I did it and it didn't even
hurt! If you think you might be going I wonder if I can get you to
bring My decks with you there. I can send the money but am not in a
great hurry to get the cards. It will save you the postage hassle. Let
me know if you think you can attend. I would like to meet you so wear
a pink tux or something else distinctive (just kidding) Talk at you
later. If you want me to send a check you can leave me a note here
Thanks again
Doug
Msg #5072 Dated 23:29:20 01-09-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: P.C.A.M. '91
Just got back from my SAM meeting. One of the major points brought
up was the upcoming P.C.A.M. convention. SAM #112 is hosting it in
Concord, California (Just 40 miles from San Francisco). We are still
looking for conventioneers. The convention will be at the Concord
Hilton between June 19-22. If you register before Jan 30, 1991, you can
still save $10. If you wish to register, send the following info:
Name(s): Date:
Badge Name(s) (If different):
Address: City:
State: ZIP: Phone:
PCAM Club Affiliation:
# of Registrants: Adults: Juniors: (Only $45 each!)
Checks should be payable to PCAM '91 and sent to:
Loren Lind, Registrar
rt2423 Charlotte Ave.
Concord, CA 94518
The host club (SAM #112) is shooting for a limit of about 300 people
and has already passed the 165 mark! After Jan 30, 1991, the price will
go up to $95. Send it in before and save $10!
One nice thing about these PCAM conventions is that they are small and
relatively informal. Arrangements are being made so that conventioneers
will get to spend as much time with the performers personally as
possible. Expected performers are: Carl Ballantine, Chuck Jones, and an
apparently super-secret guest to be announced as soon as he/she is
confirmed! Hope to see you there!
--Scott Cram
Msg #5074 Dated 23:51:56 01-09-91 4986 <--> 5075
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: HELLO
Greetings, welcome and all that jazz. Hope to hear more from you.
Msg #5075 Dated 23:53:05 01-09-91 4998 <--> 5120
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: HELLO
That's not very nice Darrell!
Msg #5077 Dated 23:52:08 01-09-91 -> 5090
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: ALL
Re: KARRELL FOX
Pete, and All
Heard at the office (Inside Magic) today that Karrell Fox did
indeed have a heart attack. As of this afternoon he is in intensive
care. Stan spoke to the people around Karrell and they are
optimistic that Karrell will make a complete recovery.
At this point, he can`t receive flowers or calls. They did say he would
enjoy receiving cards. As a little extra bonus, we're enclosing
playing cards in the "get well" cards with a note to the effect
that we figured they wouldn`t allow him cards so we're smuggling
some in to him. The more obscure the playing cards, the more fun.
Address cards to:
Karrell Fox
73719 Desert Greens N
Palm Desert, CA 92260
Msg #5078 Dated 23:58:18 01-09-91 5040 <--> 5103
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRIDGE CARD CONTROL
Dinner? Uh! Oh! I thought it was going to be a MORNING meeting and
was going to announce it as same. Did I miss something? Aw, what the
heck -- let's figure a way for the MAGIC! members to have dinner at
Desert Magic too! Guess we could end with cheesecake and call it
Dessert MAGIC!
Msg #5080 Dated 0:00:50 01-10-91 5045 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: COMP. ISSUE
OK, Jim. Will work it up and send it to you. May take a while, I'm
having trouble doing the drawings.
Msg #5082 Dated 0:05:44 01-10-91 5049 <--> 5666
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: BOOK LIST
Good list, Randy. I'm glad you brought up the fiction. There are also
the... well, it turns out I can't get the titles and authors right now,
my wife is asleep and they are stacked on a bookcase near the bed. I
think one is the "Magic Inc." series (not to be confused with Jay
Marshall) and another is the Exploits of Ebenezum - a wizard who is
(due to a curse) allergic to magic.
Msg #5084 Dated 0:13:13 01-10-91 5053 <--> 5204
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: RECRUITING FOR MAGIC!
Great recruiting! I'm planning to see Michael on the 21st. I was
thinking of handing him a modem. But now that I know he has one, I'll
just prod him.
Msg #5086 Dated 0:15:31 01-10-91 5056 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RON BIEBER (X)
Re: SLOGANS
Sorry I can't make it to Tustin too. Of course, by the time you read
this, we will have seen each other about eight times, I will have
finished Magic 5, and we will be getting ready for Chanukah.
Msg #5088 Dated 0:17:40 01-10-91 5067 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: UPLOADS
Yes, it would be a good idea to note the type of computer in the
description that you are asked to provide after the file has been
uploaded. I'm behind in my chores and will be looking asap. Files
uploaded to MAGIC! should generally be of two types - 1) Specific to
magic and magicians - text articles or programs for or related to
magic. 2) Programs that will help in the effective use of MAGIC! -
such as compression programs like Zip or graphics programs that will
display PCX files. Thanks for your uploads and your patience.
Msg #5090 Dated 0:24:26 01-10-91 5077 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: KARRELL FOX
Thanks for your message! Appreciate the info and the address. Here's
another way to get messages to Karrell Fox. We are going to
temporarily register him as a MAGIC! member. On Wednesday, January
16th, I will put together all of the messages addressed to him (you can
send either public or private messages) and forward them to him. This
way he will know that the members of MAGIC! are thinking of him.
So, while you are thinking of it - send a message to Karrell Fox here
on MAGIC!
Msg #5092 Dated 0:33:21 01-10-91 -> 5105
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: WOW!
Did anyone notice that we have now passed the FIVE THOUSAND message
mark? Message 5000 was from Steve Kucera to Tabby Crabb and it was
sent late on the evening of January 8th. The topic was... er...
"Grilled Cheese."
In about nine months MAGIC! members have sent five thousand messages
totalling about 2.5 Megabytes of magic information! I believe there
are approximately 2,500 characters to a typewritten page, single
spaced, so that amounts to about ONE THOUSAND typed pages!
Msg #5093 Dated 0:38:44 01-10-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: KARRELL FOX
KARRELL FOX is now a "non-modem" member of MAGIC! This means that
you can send your get well wishes (public or private) to him, just like
to any other MAGIC! member. On Wednesday, January 16th, I will collect
all of the messages addressed to Karrell and send them to him.
Here's an easy way to send a message to Karrell -- If you see a message
addressed to him, use the menu at the end of the message to select A
for Append (NOT R for Reply). Append will add your message to the one
you tie on to and will automagically address it to Karrell.
Let's let him know that MAGIC! cares!
Msg #5094 Dated 0:42:45 01-10-91 -> 5106
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KARRELL FOX
Re: GET WELL WISHES
Karrell -
The members of MAGIC! (an electronic communications system for
magicians) all want you to know that we are thinking of you. From
around the world we are using a computer network to send you our
thoughts and best wishes.
You are a great guy and a great magician and we want you to know that
you are in our thoughts and that we are pulling for you. Get well
soon!
Msg #5098 Dated 3:47:47 01-10-91 -> 5107
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: SHELLS
Thanks for the welcome Jim. Following you will find the
information that you requested concerning the Walnut Shells
(and anyone else who is interested).
The shells are handmade from REAL walnuts and designed to work
on any surface...whether padded or not. I have worked the shells
on flat surfaces, bar tops (even wet), newspapers and of course
close-up pads. The shells and peas work together to form an
almost "automatic" shell. The shells are covered in urethane so
that they will last longer and can be worked under adverse
conditions, and of course they are correctly weighted (putty).
The pea is of a special makeup, taught to me by Harry Anderson.
It is latex covered and works much like a little sponge ball,
but it looks like a "real pea!".
Both Harry and Billy McComb have a set of the shells (as well as
many magicians - they were a complete sell-out at the last
Castle swapmeet), they have both commented on the nice
workmanship and the ease of use. Upon recieveing a set, Tommy
Wonder (Jos Bema), who had never worked the shells before, was
performing with them as if he had been doing them for years.
The set comes with three shells and a pea, plus instructions on
the care and use (sorry, no routines as of yet - but they are
readily available from your nearest dealer, or they can write me
and I'll give them some info. on where to find them.). I also
have extra peas available.
Following are prices and ordering information:
Shells (3) and Pea (1) set
$25.00
plus $2.00 P/H
Extra Peas (3)
$5.00
plus $1.00 P/H
If ordering both just
$2.00 P/H
Delivery in approx. 3 weeks
They can order from:
Anthony Blake
SPIRIT MAGIC LTD.
436 Hardison St.
Santa Paula, CA. 93060
(805) 525-3070
So there you are...if you need more info. just leave me a
message... Oh, by the way, would like to see a copy of your
newsletter when you publish this info. Thank...Tony
.
P.S.: The best book on the shells is Jack Chanin's "HELLO
SUCKER", I recently talked to Jack and he told me that he still
has some copies left...he's living in Philadelphia (doesn't own
the magic shop anymore), and is listed in the phone book.
Thats all from.......THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #5099 Dated 7:36:34 01-10-91 5024 <--> 5100
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PERFORMANCE FEES
Good info Tabman. I'm printing that off and filing it for easy access.
I'm still reading Showmanship for Magicians so after I know what and
how to show I'll know how to go for the dough! Thanks!
Msg #5100 Dated 7:39:18 01-10-91 5032 <--> 5108
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PERFORMANCE FEES
You know Pete that really happened to me with the Nyquil. I was ill
one time and I had a new bottle of the stuff by my bed. I felt lousy
and had a fever and I knew I needed to take some. I kept waking up not
knowing whether or not I had taken any nyquil so I would take a shot.
I woke up a day and a half later with an empty bottle on the
nightstand!
Msg #5101 Dated 7:46:37 01-10-91 -> 5109
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: BOOK SHELF
Wanted to say thanx for all the help in your recommendations for the
hundred book library which is now more than a hundred. Thanks for your
input. I'll be uploading the current list later today for one final
check.......
Msg #5102 Dated 7:51:23 01-10-91 5069 <--> 5122
From: STAN LAKE
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: RING 21 MEETING
I spoke with Joe Selph last night and I am confirmed at the 6:00 PM
lecture. Will you be at that one or the 8:00 PM? I forgot to ask, but
is there a regular meeting afterwards or is this a special lecture only
function? I will take your cards with me and we can make the exchange
at that time. Save yourself a stamp too! Thanks and I'll talk to you
later...
Msg #5103 Dated 9:19:25 01-10-91 5078 <--> 5141
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CRIDGE CARD CONTROL
Cheescake with strawberries... YO
Msg #5105 Dated 9:20:42 01-10-91 5092 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: WOW!
And without the US Postal service being accused of slowing down the
messages.... I see hey are raisng the storage fee from 25 to 29 cents.
Boy I bet the folks in the front line will love having to store a
million zillion pennies.
Msg #5106 Dated 9:22:19 01-10-91 5094 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KARRELL FOX
Re: GET WELL WISHES
Foxy one... Hey... get well... after all the mid year meeting is coming
up and you don't want to miss that freeload to visit REBO and Mickey
Mouse... We are also doing (this is a secret) an evening shoe (yes
SHOE) at the IBM featuring only magi that have appeared on the Ed
Sullivan show! And Joe Stevens is hoping to have W.C. Fields at the
desert seminar!!! Take care... Adios for now, P. Biro
Msg #5107 Dated 9:25:57 01-10-91 5098 <--> 5117
From: PETE BIRO
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: SHELLS
GEEKMAN... after I get moved and unpacked, will need a set of the
shells, but for now, put an order in for me with the assembly line. In
about 6 weeks I should have my new house and it is supposed to have a
little number on it so the people that now get 29-cents an ounce to
borrow stuff can find the house. Later, P. Biro Esq>
Msg #5108 Dated 9:27:41 01-10-91 5100 <--> 5142
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PERFORMANCE FEES
Maybe someone can come up with a trick with the stuff? Today I is gonna
see the local sawbones.... How many of you are old enuf to know that
expression (Tabby is disqualified -- he is older than all of us).
Msg #5109 Dated 9:28:38 01-10-91 5101 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOK SHELF
Wati... er wait... I didn't send my final list (let me see if it is on
my giant 2 mag drive or maybe I laplinked it to the big Bass Player in
the other office????) Why did I use () ? Nyquil hangover?
Msg #5113 Dated 10:28:28 01-10-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LINE NOISE
Sorry linenoise is killing me right now witllj trhy later
Msg #5115 Dated 12:50:37 01-10-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LINE NOISE
I can't figger it... first try this am, all garbel on screen, now is
OK. For other info, Karrell Fox is in the Eisenhour Hospital, Palm
Springs. Seems he had a heart attack and didn't do anything abouat it,
went to do the show, then after the show went to Hospital.
Jay Marshall, who had open heart surgery some months ago, by Dr. Peter
Gloviczki, Hungarian magician at Mayo Clinic, is doing GREAT. Was with
him last week and he has realy come back!!
Mike Caldwell had minor heart trouble last year. I just asked him why
he didn't go to the Mayo Clinic.
He said a freind didn't like the place 'cause everyone always says,
"hold the Mayo...............errrrrrrrrrrr"
Mike is dooing great. Had 30,000 shares in a savings and loan that when
down, Had Occidental Petroleum and Hammer died, then bought Pan Am a
while back. What a picker!!!
Adios
Msg #5117 Dated 13:39:39 01-10-91 5107 <-
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHELLS
Pete...
No problema...your order is truly noted and in the manufacturing
process. Just let me know when ya's want them and they'll be on the
way.
THE GEEKMAN
Msg #5118 Dated 13:25:27 01-10-91 4979 <-
From: RICHARD STREET
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY MAGIC
A closeup conclave sounds great. Don't know about New Years, with
everyone off visit grandma and stuff, but let's run it up the flagpole
and see if anybody salutes. You could sure count me in. Ammar was here
in 88. Super closeup magic. Reminds me ... I still have tried a topit.
The best story he told was vanishing a spoonfull of mashed potatos at
a table, when a lady insisted "If your so good, vanish this". Maybe
thats where he picked up the line at the end of his cups and balls
routine. "This spuds for you". Ut O (four lines back .. meant to say
still have not tried a topit).
Sorry about the newsletters - the only club doing one now is the FCM.
Both the IBM and SAM are changing formats this year. All last year we
had open meetings, meaning anyone could come and get some free
entertainment. Two problems 1. No incentive to join the club. Kinda
hard to get good lecturers with no tresury. 2. In my mind most
important is exposing magic to not so serious magicians(?). Anyway this
year 8 of the meetings will be closed to non IBM/SAM and non club
members. We do have an excellent secretary (John Morris) who writes the
Ring 37 reports. You might enjoy going thru the last year or Linking
Ring. At least that would give you some insight into what goes on at
the meetings. Good talking at you ..... Later RS
Oh Yeah - One of these days I'll get a spellchecker.
Msg #5120 Dated 15:22:40 01-10-91 5030 <--> 5121
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELLO
The one that sells computer paper. hahaha
Msg #5121 Dated 15:23:50 01-10-91 5075 <--> 5150
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: HELLO
Sorry I hadda do it. Sometime my fingers overide my good judgement!!
Msg #5122 Dated 15:40:29 01-10-91 5102 <--> 5126
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: RING 21 MEETING
This is a SPECIAL LECTURE so there will not be a meeting that night.
RING 21's policy is that we will try to schedule lectures on a meeting
night but when the lectures come thru town on an off night or the
lecture is not of interest to the club as a whole then we will have a
SPECIAL LECTURE. The Ammar lecture just could not be scheduled on a
meeting night so we are having a Special Lecture for those interested.
As with any lecture the magic or MAGIC! public is always welcome and
encourged to attend. If you ask around you will find we have a great
time at the meeting and usually end up down the street at the Castle
after the meeting for cocktails and magic down in the HAT AND HARE PUB.
Msg #5123 Dated 15:48:40 01-10-91 -> 5143
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
You are confirmed for 8:00pm on Jan 25th for the Ammar lecture.
Msg #5125 Dated 16:29:16 01-10-91 -> 5144
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: I MOVE
It looks like my credit is ok and will be moving. Still at PO Box 1009,
Gualala, CA 95445. But from about Feb. 4-7 I will be living at 16 Los
Banos Ct., Walnut Creek, CA 94598. If I can get all these books moved!
Msg #5126 Dated 16:36:01 01-10-91 5122 <--> 5146
From: STAN LAKE
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: RING 21 MEETING
Sounds great, I'm really looking forward to the lecture and the Hat and
Hare Pub afterwards.
I'll call Joe Selph closer to the lecture date to see if I should be
prepared with cards, coins, thumbtip, rubberbands, topit or all of the
above.
Msg #5129 Dated 17:19:04 01-10-91 -> 5138
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
GREAT! No more busy signals........Super. Will be announcing the
result of the auction ina few daze. High bid is $70 right now and I'm
very happy with the response .... tabman...
Msg #5138 Dated 22:33:13 01-10-91 5129 <--> 5147
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
I didn't think I would miss the busy signals... after all, I learned
how to use the RE-DIAL on my software....
Msg #5141 Dated 0:21:48 01-11-91 5103 <--> 5164
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRIDGE CARD CONTROL
Seriously (codeword for "I hope the Nyquil(tm) has left your
bloodstream"), isn't the MAGIC! meeting at Desert Magic at 9 a.m. on
Friday? Cheesecake with strawberries with MAGIC! members is still a
good idea - I'm sure we'll see each other more than once.
(Nyquil is a registered trademark of someone or other... All rites
preserved).
Msg #5142 Dated 0:25:43 01-11-91 5108 <--> 5165
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PERFORMANCE FEES
I believe "sawbones" derives from the pre-anesthesia days, when the
chief quality in a surgeon was SPEED. Today the chief quality in a
surgeon is the size of his liability policy. Hope the doc can do a
little magic and get you out of the cold.
Msg #5143 Dated 0:30:01 01-11-91 5123 <--> 5166
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
Sounds like a number of MAGIC! members will be attending the Ammar
lectures, either at 6 p.m. or 8 p.m. It may not be the offical MAGIC!
button, since those will "premier" at the MAGIC! luncheon on the 25th,
but I'll try to wear something distinctive so we can all find each
other.
Also, I'm told that Ammar needs one more prod to get him on here, so
maybe each member should remind him to sign on to MAGIC!
Msg #5144 Dated 0:32:33 01-11-91 5125 <--> 5167
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I MOVE
Congrats on the move, Pete! Does this mean that after early Feb. we
can all come visit you and borrow books and stuff?
Msg #5146 Dated 0:31:35 01-11-91 5102 <--> 5168
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: RING 21 MEETING
I booked the 8pm reservation as I don't ever know if I can be out of
work and across the tundra before 6. Isn't life in LA great. I will
probably see you between lectures and will be all set for a quick
exchange if need be. I don't know of any meeting other than the
lecture... Ask Darrell Murphy here on line he should be able to give
you the dope.
Doug
Msg #5147 Dated 0:35:08 01-11-91 5129 <--> 5152
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
I'm having fun watching all the little lights on the modems. It's even
better than watching stuff go around and around in the microwave. Glad
to hear that it is working and cutting down on the busies.
I think that whoever has got the $70 bid in on the book is getting a
GOOD DEAL. And the bucks will help -V?MAGIC! alive and growing.
Thanks, Tabman!
Msg #5150 Dated 0:40:35 01-11-91 5121 <--> 5170
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: HELLO
Not that I didn't enjoy it with a chuckle too!
Msg #5152 Dated 0:42:19 01-11-91 5138 <--> 5254
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
I used to get some reading done during the wait for connect and busy
signals now I zip right in and don't even bring a book to the terminal
with me... guess I'll have to find some other time to read the books
I'm trying to finish.
Msg #5160 Dated 7:13:23 01-11-91 -> 5171
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE TABBMAN AND ALL
Re: STUFF
Just a quick note, ive been so busy at work that I havent has time to
do anything but read the messages, yes, Im still alive though. The real
magic I have to do this weekend is finish a project that was assigned
to me wednesday...written in assembley language...ACK.
Pete: Thanks for the info on Topit. Maybe I'll find the right fit, and
wont break an adominmizer in the process( That had me rolling in the
floor with laughter) I could just see that happening to me.
Tabman: hehe your list of 'suggestions' will be well taken. Lots of TV
huh? I used to be in radio because I have a face for radio (actually,
every says I resemble Harry Blackstone, Jr. as I havedark hair, beard
and
glasses. I think I look more like Ringo Starr (with my big nose).
Anyway back to the asm.
Mov AX,4c00h
int 21h
Rikker
Msg #5161 Dated 7:19:09 01-11-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: PONSIN ON CONJURING
JB...Gotta coupla questions for ya if you've gotta minit.
I'm referring to your reprint of the PONSIN ON CONJURING
translation by S.S. Sharpe. (Thanks for making this lowcost
reprint available.) I've spent the past coupla evenings studying
"Ponsin" and have come away feeling that this is required reading
for anyone seriously interested in magic. In the Forward section,
which I presume was penned by Mr. Sharpe, reference is made to
the Hoffmann book MODERN MAGIC and as suggested, I read Ponsin
with Modern magic close at hand for reference as Mr. Sharpe said
he left out much description of effect, etc as it was covered in
the Hoffmann book which was published several years after.
My question is this....in leaving out certain overlapping
descriptive passages from the original, Sharpe stated he did this
to avoid repetition and to condense the original (assuming I
understand correctly) book which was published in 1858 and
borrowed from the Magic Circle Library; just how much did he
(Sharpe) leave out (pagewise/percentage wise) from the original
book which was originally published in French?
With an original English edition (Sharpe) of 300 plus
your 2nd edition of 500 this makes only 800 English language
books available. Now, of course, I'll have to try to find a
Sharpe 1st ed. for the library. Are there any of the 2nd. still
available?
While the Busby Edition has been on my shelves for
bettern two years, I've only recently gotten to it and after
first reading realize it belongs in any library which places
credence on Hoffmann's work. Thanks again........tc
Msg #5162 Dated 8:46:19 01-11-91 -> 5172
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: A THUMB TIP
Hi Charlie _
Wasn't aware of the O'Dowd, MUM article about the books.
I was so broke a few years ago I had to let my SAM (first joined
late 60s) membership lapse for a coupla years and missed those
issues; however......
Howie indroduced me to Mike at CEMK (thanks again HS) and
we had breakfast together each morning as Mike was staying at
same hotel. Mike and I "hit it off" and found many common
interests (Irish Music, etc) and have planned a tin whistle duet
for the next CEMK (probably in the parking lot).......anyhou...Mike
and I have been corresponding so I'll send him up the compilation
from here (will be uploading the list from MAGIC! to MAGIC! over
the weekend as I've about finished it) and solicit his comments
and criticism........thanks for the comeback, goodbuddy...
Great story on Houston's magic in last MUM. Enjoyed
seeing photo of your pard, Richard Hatch....plus Bill Palmer whom
I remember from the early 70s when he played banjo around town.
One night at a club I saw Bill pull the banjo out of a kids hands
and show the kid how to play. I never moved a muscle, but shoulda
grabbed the banjo and blown him away, but I didn't. I was hot
banjo and pedal steel in the Medicine Wheel days (1972-75) of the
Texas Opry House. Gotta say that Bill used to do a mean Glorpy
though. He looked pretty cool in his "Merlin" outfit. Was that a
crystal ball in his thumb tip?
...tumbleweed...
Msg #5164 Dated 10:44:03 01-11-91 5141 <--> 5175
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CRIDGE CARD CONTROL
Yep 9 am Friday. Early birds get in for the Thrusday night perty and
the we got the meeting next morn (we got about a 2 hour window until
anything else starats up. I will hve to leave Saturday in the middle of
the day (at start of the awards) as I need to be in L.A. taking pix by
5 or 6 pm!!! Got to make some skins to pay for two households!
adios until we meet again...
Msg #5165 Dated 10:45:44 01-11-91 5142 <--> 5176
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: PERFORMANCE FEES
I is feeling about 16% better this morning...
Msg #5166 Dated 10:46:18 01-11-91 5143 <--> 5255
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
Tell him he can give lessons on MAGIC! and that TIPPING IS ALLOWED
Msg #5167 Dated 10:46:47 01-11-91 5144 <--> 5177
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
Yes yoiu can borow anything that you enter into the dBase...
Msg #5168 Dated 10:47:13 01-11-91 5146 <--> 5193
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: RING 21 MEETING
Thats why I moved from L.A. I was 1 1/2 hours late for a surprise party
one night. And I gave myself an extra 1/2 hr to get there!!!! from the
usual driving time.... then, during that trip (from Hermosa Beach to
Riverside) I nearly choked on the smog!!!
Msg #5170 Dated 10:49:19 01-11-91 5150 <--> 5215
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: HELLO
Don't know why I thought of this... but my EX PAL, Ricky Jay and I were
in Holland, went into a sandwich shop, the owner, (by our Tennis shoes,
Hawwaiian shirts, and cutoffs???) recognized us as AMERICANS... he was
standing behind the counter next to his wife, and as we approached he
smiled, and PROUDLY said... 'GOODBYE'.... his wife gave him this wild
look and mumbled something like DUMKOFF.... Nichts Ferstain blah
blah... etc... very funny. Your message saying "HELLO"made me think of
this one...
Msg #5171 Dated 10:52:17 01-11-91 5160 <--> 5259
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: STUFF
The only ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE I KNOW IS... Attatch Tab A, to Tab B, and
place rod "W" into holes R and X.
Not to change the subject but did yoiu see the Energizer Rabbitt run
across the bar on Cheers last night? What a great ad campaign. A pal of
mine and the SYSOP on the Auto Racing forum of Compuserve works at the
agency that does that and the name of the agency has the word 'MOJO' IN
IT.... FULL NAME IS: Chiat-Day-Mojo. I wonder if it is someones name
or they infuse MOJO (Magic) in the work? Will ask.
Msg #5172 Dated 10:56:58 01-11-91 5162 <--> 5191
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A THUMB TIP
Tumbleman... Not that its relevant but I was once on the bill with the
Irish Rovers. Great group.
Msg #5175 Dated 12:21:01 01-11-91 5164 <--> 5182
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRIDGE CARD CONTROL
OK, thanks, Pete. Will make a bigger announcement about the First
MAGIC! seminar and get-together next week. Am going to see/meet Geno
this weekend - gotta be in his town.
Msg #5176 Dated 12:22:49 01-11-91 5165 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PERFORMANCE FEES
Turbo!
Msg #5177 Dated 12:23:33 01-11-91 5167 <--> 5183
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I MOVE
Great! I want to borrow your copy of Abdul Ahazared's Necronomicon.
Msg #5181 Dated 13:44:25 01-11-91 -> 5186
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DECK BUILDING
You must be a good guy for taking all those dex apart and putting
them back 2gether again....mine arrived today and are great...
I thank you for taking all the trouble to do it. I can see it now
with 50 dex all over the place then stacking em up, mailing em
etc.....WOW!....my tam is off to you ( only for a minit tho, its
cold down here....
Msg #5182 Dated 14:17:31 01-11-91 5175 <--> 5289
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CRIDGE CARD CONTROL
Tell Geno Howdy... he is a great guy.
Msg #5183 Dated 14:17:56 01-11-91 5177 <--> 5202
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
Which Edition?
Msg #5186 Dated 14:21:03 01-11-91 5181 <--> 5194
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DECK BUILDING
How many faro shuffles to make a Svengali?
How about "sorts" for 2nd dealers?
I have a pal, who is now undercover in Las Vegas who could SORT decks
by FEEL. He didn't need a punch... he could feel a rougher deck and
would use the suitable cards for 21 from the rough textured deck and
put nto a smooth feeling deck. He dealt 2nds while I watched him on a
shift working one of the casinos before he went to work for the state,
then now undercover somewhere... haven't been able to find him lately,
will look at the Seminar in his usual haunts.
Msg #5191 Dated 16:54:46 01-11-91 5172 <--> 5196
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A THUMB TIP
Peteman...Tabman...
Heck, I once opened for Siouxsie and the Banshees ( a very radical punk
group!). There I am dressed in my usuall 40's attire and all I see in
front of me are shaved heads, tatoos, and pins thru noses...and these
were just the women! It was an experience to behold.
As always....
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #5192 Dated 17:00:08 01-11-91
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: LUNCHEON...
Don't know if it is too late, but count me in on the 25th for our
mid-day encounter. I am almost positive that I can make it...should be
back from Denver the night before.
Till then....as always...
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #5193 Dated 17:56:55 01-11-91 5146 <--> 5214
From: STAN LAKE
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: RING 21 MEETING
OK Doug, I'll let you know what I'll be wearing so you'll recognize me.
Probably a letter carriers baseball cap or something. I doubt there
will be too many letter carriers attending! As a rule, they will be
lieing low until the ruckus over the postage increase blows over.
Msg #5194 Dated 18:07:01 01-11-91 5181 <--> 5216
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DECK BUILDING
I'm glad they arrived in good shape and your very welcome. It was my
own small way of making a contribution of sorts to everyone else on
Magic! since I don't have a lot of experience or background in magic to
offer advice and whatnot. All of the decks I couldn't sell for $2.00
each I took down to the local magic shop and they snapped them all up
for $3.00 each! They should have been on Magic!
Msg #5195 Dated 18:12:32 01-11-91
From: STAN LAKE
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: FORCE CARDS
Thanks for your check I received today. I mailed out your decks
yesterday so they should be arriving shortly. Do you work on the space
shuttle program? That's an interesting picture on your check.
Msg #5196 Dated 18:17:57 01-11-91 5191 <--> 5209
From: PETE BIRO
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: A THUMB TIP
Did you show them your pierced ear?
Msg #5197 Dated 18:18:40 01-11-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: WUZ JUST SITTIN HERE
Wuz just sittin here and found my old close up case... in it was a
great gimmick. The catgut loop on an elastic...you know for the
levitator pencil. Well, it reminded me of another use. It is long to
describe, so will slip offline, write it and file in a few minutes. OK?
Msg #5198 Dated 18:26:18 01-11-91
From: JACK TAVES
To: ALL
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
Thanks to all who have called about. the lecture of Michael Ammar
workshop. And there are only a few seats left. iof you want to be part
of the action call me Jack Taves president of the Macical Arts Guild in
Cucamonga.. my tele. no# 818-914-1288.. the workshop lecture is Jan
22nd at 6:00pm sharp. the cost is $25.00 -.
Msg #5200 Dated 18:36:16 01-11-91 -> 5210
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: RISING CARD
My opening trick at close up shows for Magicians was a
little known item, using a BORROWED DECK OF CARDS, and a well-
known old gimmick that I will describe later.
I would approach the table seemingly with NO PROPS. Explain
my stuff was lost and say "I would like to borrow a fairly un-
ruined deck of cards, no crimps, gaffs, no DF cards, and in a
reasonably clean case..."
I would emphasize that I did not arrange this, I didn't want
anyone that knew me to supply the cards.
Then after several members of the audience hold up cards,
I would ask someone to select the person to loan the deck to me.
I would say, "I don't want to even touch the cards, so give them
to Charlie there, and Charlie, try to shuffle them without
bending them or dropping them of the table, then spread them out
on the table, please. And then have Fred here, point to any card
-- well, you can touch it, matter of fact, pull it out of the
spread, away from the deck."
Now, I would say, "I never touch the cards!" And then pick
up the card case, pick up the cards and put them all (except for
the selected card) back into the case.
I would say, "You shuffled them, you took a card, and
remember I never touched the cards (I am holding them, in the
case) -- Fred, may I have the card." I would get the selected
card and place it somewhere in the cased deck, near the middle.
An explanation of what has taken place is BRIEFLY done, and
while holding the pack, in its case, by a lower corner, the
selected card would rise out of the deck, nearly its full length.
At this point I would ask someone (selectee if close enough)
to take the card, and then toss the deck to the person it was
borrowed from.
Trick is over. There is nothing. The deck is clean.
How? I should have you call and charge for this...
Well you had a hint. It is the catgut loop gimmick for the
levitating pencil. You need to practice natural handling, etc.
but all you do is put the loop over the top of the deck and when
you insert the selected card it pushes the loop down. So, when
you want it to rise, relax the grip the elastic pulls the loop
and lifts the card. You let the loop zip up your sleeve when you
are done and take your standing ovation.
Maven, et al, might know the origin of same. I don't recall
where it came from. I do know that after it was around (I had
been doing it for over a year) Larry Jennings circulated an
underground mss with his handling, which had a few subtleties,
like closing the case (but I didn't bother, it isn't necessary).
ONCE AGAIN... LET'S KEEP THIS ONE TO OURSELVES HERE ON
MAGIC!
And, after you work it a few times for yourself, let me know
what you think of it.
Msg #5202 Dated 18:42:11 01-11-91 5183 <--> 5206
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I MOVE
Was that the AUTOGRAPHED edition of the Necronomicon? (You know the
one, Pete, the one with Abbott's address beneath the signature...)
Msg #5204 Dated 20:34:04 01-11-91 5053 <-
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: RECRUITING FOR MAGIC!
Look for a most fine contribution by Kent Cummins in the January Genii!
Msg #5205 Dated 20:37:10 01-11-91 5068 <--> 5211
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TAKAGI PHOTO
I got the envelope. Thank you. The montage photo was terrible. The
issue is off. Thanks. Mr James is ready?
Msg #5206 Dated 21:36:47 01-11-91 5202 <--> 5290
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: I MOVE
I was trying to keep it a secret (I hope the message was Private)
Msg #5207 Dated 22:14:29 01-11-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: QUESTIONS?
Here's a question (several actually) for any historians, online.
Did anyone do the card in zippered wallet prior to the (Ed)
Balducci wallet? I know the LePaul card in envelope was probably
the first, right? ?
Although I think it was Edward Victor that found a selected card
between a packet of four aces that he had encased with a rubber
band and placed into a weskit (vest) pocket. Was this first?
Who did the first version of the Sub Trunk? Attributed to
Houdini.
Who was first to do the straight jacket escape suspended from a
rope/cable/chain -- anything -- upside down?
Does anybody have the gaff for the Chinese popcorn trick?
Probably the most baffling effect THIS PERSON has seen. (I still
don't know how it is done and have seen it several times).
Was it Harold Sterling that devised (I know he sold it) the famed
"Short and Long Rope Trick"?
Msg #5208 Dated 22:37:11 01-11-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LETTERMAN/KRESKIN
Friday night, last 15 minutes of Letterman, Kreskin on did a
killer card trick to open and newspaper test and closed with
Letterman grabbing a dozen cards and the Amazing Kreskin naming
all the cards... Si Stebbin lives! Or maybe the Paul Fox
Gimmick... anywayif any of you get this tonight on time and wanna
see Kreskin with Letterman, it was in the last 15 minutes. You
see it is 10:15 Calif. time, but I caught it just now via
satellite. Gee I could stay up late and watch it again... nah...
G'nite all.
Just to get a little more value for this call... I have seen
Kreskin at a University Campus get 3 standing ovations during his
one man evening shows. One was for the Linking Finger Rings.
Proving skill not required. HIS SELL did it. No fancy moves, just
held the rings in his FIST -- the claim of being real magic -- is
what sold it. He sold it beautifully. The second Standing O, was
when he was doing the old Dr. Q. Hypnotic act. Another great act
that in the "right" hands is a stopper.
If you ever see Dominique Webb do his hyp act you will freak. He
opens with a stooge (among other volunteers) and runs a long
skewer through the guys cheek! This scares off half the onstage
vlunteers and he winds up with great subjects and really works
them beautifully. Better get this online so you might see Amazing
(that is is first name, isn't it?)
Msg #5209 Dated 23:24:02 01-11-91 5196 <--> 5223
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: A THUMB TIP
No Pete...but I did seriously think of doing the Needle through
Arm...but for them this would be like eating candy!
Msg #5210 Dated 23:23:33 01-11-91 5200 <--> 5226
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RISING CARD
The gimmick is variously known as "Dual Control," "The Loop" &c. It has
a lengthy history which unquestionably predates the rodentlike English
dealer who claims to have invented it.
In the mid-sixties, Jerry Lubin of New York realized that the gaff
could be used for a card rise in addition to its standard application
for "animal magnetism" effects. He marketed it under the title
"Amazing" and sold it for (if memory serves) $1.25.
There was a period when I had one set up in every jacket I owned.
Msg #5211 Dated 23:26:24 01-11-91 5205 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TAKAGI PHOTO
The James issue is not ready, but getting close. I'm waiting for a few
late contributions, although I have enough to wrap it now if need be.
As promised, I will have the camera-ready pages (and cover) for you in
the first week of February.
Msg #5212 Dated 23:48:00 01-11-91 -> 5224
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD MAGI...
Pete...just got off another BBS and talking with the ex-wife of Lou
Rossi...did you ever know of/see/meet him? She siad they use to tour
with Arnold Furst and that Lou owned a magic shop in San Fran. Thought
you might have some info.
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #5214 Dated 0:09:23 01-12-91 5193 <--> 5471
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: RING 21 MEETING
Don't blame you for that...it could be dangerous to let it be known.
See ya Monday. BTW I'm easy to spot 6'tall and have a full beard with
less rather than more hair on top... no total bare spots just starting
to get thin. Many say "the big guy with the beard. Will probably have
a pipe close at hand.
Msg #5215 Dated 0:14:39 01-12-91 5170 <--> 5225
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELLO
I lived in Denmark for 9 months during those carefree college days and
you would not believe the number of people that could tell I was and
American just by something that I had on. Sometimes it was scary when
they would just walk up and start talking to me about something that
was going on in the states. I started wearing clogs and sweaters just
to be able to blend in better.
Msg #5216 Dated 0:18:56 01-12-91 5194 <--> 5233
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DECK BUILDING
Now thats using the old noodle. You must be a real capitalist. Your
on your way to fame and fortune.
Msg #5218 Dated 8:55:31 01-12-91 -> 5296
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: TOPBOOKS.TXT
I've uploaded the current version of the "Ten Foot
Bookshelf" to the FILES 13 area. It should be available ina few
daze after the sysop finds a slot for it and puts it in the
directory. I've done this to reduce screentime for those who are
not interested. For anyone interested in this information it is a
small file (less than 7k) and should download rapidly.
I would be interested in a continuous update so any books
being released in the future can be added as recommended as well
as gems we missed along the way. BTW, I vow to never limit any of
you to ten or a hundred of anything ever again......tc
Thanks again for everyone who helped with this project, I
know who you are......tc..
Msg #5219 Dated 9:03:39 01-12-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: BOOK AUCTION
The high bid for the 1st ed. of QUALITY MAGIC by Okito is $70.
Going once
Going Twice
Sold.......
Msg #5222 Dated 9:51:05 01-12-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: KARRELL FOX
Re: GET WELL WISHES
The Old Principal's House
Charlotte Hall, Maryland 20622-0590
January 12, 1991
Mr. Karrell Fox
c/o MAGIC!
The Great Computer Network
818-896-7450
Hi Karrell,
Pete Biro told us you were "under the weather" and I
wanted to add my get well wishes to those of your other friends
in Magic.
From "Milky The Clown" to the "King of Korn" the trail
you're still blazing is long and wide. You've left many signs and
maps and encourage others to follow your path through your
lowcost booklets and hardcover books you continue to share what
you've learned with other magicians.
This can be a time to pause and reflect;to seize the
opportunity for yet another trail to blaze as your readers await
anxiously for more from the pen that brought us "For My Next
Trick."
Though we've never met, your work graces the shelves of
The Old Principal's House Library along with hundreds of volumes
from Hoffmann, Okito, Maven, Busby and scores of others
Between you and Michael Ammar, ya'll put West Virginia
on the map as a most magical place to be from.
Get well soon,
_|_ |_
| /-\ |_| |\/| /-\ |\|
R. Talmage "tabman" Crabb, III
Msg #5223 Dated 11:39:34 01-12-91 5209 <--> 5287
From: PETE BIRO
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: A THUMB TIP
Whos arm?
Msg #5224 Dated 11:40:32 01-12-91 5212 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: OLD MAGI...
Does not ring a bell.
Msg #5225 Dated 11:41:09 01-12-91 5215 <--> 5250
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: HELLO
I am half danish, but canot speak the language. When I went there to
visit relatives our communication (until a schoolkid that spoke english
showed up) was drawing pictures!!!
Msg #5226 Dated 13:15:27 01-12-91 5210 <--> 5294
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: RISING CARD
Hmmmm...
"Rodentlike" dealer....
(sorting through a LONG, LONG list...)
Ahhh...
"Rodentlike" ENGLISH dealer...
(sorting through a shorter but still ample list...)
QUESTION:
For all you magical history buffs...
Were "Rodentlike" and "Dealer" always synonymous?
...
With a wry smile...
GONE!
Msg #5230 Dated 14:45:03 01-12-91 -> 5236
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: AMAZING ETC.
Maven-San: Thanks for your great recall on Jerry Lubin's AMAZING.
That was IT -- and YES, I too used to have the setup in several
coats. Also used to have Topits sewn into a few as well.
How about the Jack Miller Holdout? Did you ever work with that
great item? I know Howie Schwarzman used to do a lecture with it.
I used to use it for the Egg Bag.
You reminded me, with the name Lubin, of what seems like another
lifetime when I used to go to N.Y. several times a year and hang
out with him, Sam Schwartz, Willie Schneider, Dave Lederman, Bob
Elliott, and several others at the New York Roundtable... then
the "Cafeteria".
Most of the trips usually wound up with me dining with either Al
Flosso or Slydini -- getting lots of really great help from Tony
and props, posters and stories from Flosso.
Msg #5233 Dated 16:50:33 01-12-91 5216 <--> 5251
From: STAN LAKE
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: DECK BUILDING
I don't know about fame and fortune. I just turned around and bought
myself three new books I had wanted! I'm going to see if I can build
enough decks to make my very own "Ten Foot Bookshelf". 2 down, 8 to
go!
Msg #5234 Dated 16:58:32 01-12-91 -> 5235
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: LUNCH
Am on Geno Munari's laptop. Won't have a chance to read messages
tonite, will be replying to all later.
BUT -- One heck of an incredible lunch with Geno and JIMMY GRIPPO. In
contemporary parlance, "Awesome."
More later - David.
Msg #5235 Dated 17:14:23 01-12-91 5234 <--> 5240
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: LUNCH
You lucky dog!!! Munari is enuf, but Grippo too.... AWE SOME... Almost
as good as the Raider victory I predict tomorrow.
Msg #5236 Dated 17:31:03 01-12-91 5230 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AMAZING ETC.
Never used the Miller rig in actual performance, although I did do a
fair amount of experimentation in the early 1970's.
Msg #5237 Dated 18:14:17 01-12-91 -> 5238
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: SMITHSONIAN/KLOSTERMAN
The message scrolled by so fast I didn't catch who put it on, but
remind me cause I wanna say thank you for tipping us to the 9 pg
article on Ken Klosterman's magic collection featured in this month's
Smithsonian Magazine. Had it on the coffee table all the time. Thanks
it was a great article and I appreciate the tip.....tabman
Msg #5238 Dated 18:17:45 01-12-91 5237 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SMITHSONIAN/KLOSTERMAN
I got it via FAX but have not read it yet. It is still curled up!
Msg #5239 Dated 18:18:09 01-12-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CUT IT!!!
Here's a wrinkle on the cut/restored rope you might like to try
that eliminates the standard move of gripping the rope behind
your palm as you bring up the loop from the bottom. IE: you have
the rope in left hand, held at the two end, the middle hangs
below and you bring up the bottom of the loop and switch as you
bring a loop up into view to cut the rope.
I never liked this move and one day, working with the late Red
Henning, of Santa Rose, Calif., this handling evolved. I not only
use it for a cut/restored, but it is perfect to set up, and cut
the correct pieces for the Professor's Nightmare. This is the
beginning sequence for the Nemo Rope trick that Ken Brooke was
going to market (my routine) before he died. It was never
released. The full routine is my lead in, Roger Sylwester's
Professor's Incubus and the Conway rope trick ending. You start
with one length of rope, cut into three equall, then un-equall
pieces and wind up at the conclusion with one piece of rope.
For now, the opening move to cut without switching any loops.
Hold the length of rope in your left hand. (For sake of
description only I will tell you to hold your hand stiff and
flat, but in actual practice you relax and grip things
naturally).
The left hand is flat, palm to you, the rope sticks above the
left hand about two inches and his held in place by the left
thumb. Right hand grasps the other end (the bottom end, hanging
down) brings it up an simply lays it across the rope in the left
hend -- the left thumb opens slightly to let the lower end lay
across and angled up and to the left of the original end. Make
sure the two ends stick up above the left hand about the same
length.
So far all you have done is to hold up a piece of rope and bring
the lower end up so both ends are gripped with the left hand. All
you have to make sure you have done is to cross the ropes.
Here is the move-- and it is natural, needs no cover -- just do
it openly. Left 2nd, 3rd and pinky fingers curl around the "away
from you" end (the originally gripped end) of the rope. The
crossed point of the ropes is now gripped by the left index
finger and thumb. That is it. Nothing has been done, really.
All you now do is to grip the top right end and pull it
downwards. A loop will be formed, you should pull that end down
so that it is about double the distance down than the bottom of
the loop.
If you cut the rope at the top of the loop a couple of inches
from your fingers (to the right) it is done. The loose end drops
down and you are in the familiar position of a small loop at the
top with two ends sticking up and two long pieces hanging down.
It is most likely they will be different lengths, so it is a more
natural lead in to the Short and Long rope routine of Harold
Sterling. Lets hope you bought the trick from Sterling and have
the rights to do it and didn't start doing it because you saw so
many others doing it you figured it was public domain!!
To use the same move to get into the Professor's Nightmare, when
you pull the piece downward, you stop about 2 inches below the
loop at the bottom, cut the top loop as usual, then cut the
bottom loop and you now have all the correct length pieces --
long, medium and short. Exactly the right lengths.
Msg #5240 Dated 18:20:03 01-12-91 5234 <--> 5298
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: LUNCH
High Cotton, Son.....
Msg #5241 Dated 18:19:35 01-12-91 -> 5245
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MY FIRST TRICK
Soon I will be finished detailing the handling of the FIRST trick I
ever learned.was (in the late 1940's) a killer, and has long been
forgotten. I don't want to short change the description so will take my
time, making sure I have the facts/anecdos straight. Adios..Root for
the Raiders... so they can whip the 49ers in the Super Bowl.
Hey? Am I the only one that thinks they should turn the WAR ? COVERAGE
over to the sports departments on the TV networks... I mean they are
treating it like a build up to the super bowl. Pray for Peacefull
solution!!!
Msg #5242 Dated 18:22:03 01-12-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SMITHSONIAN/KLOSTERMAN
You gotta see the pix in color...great photos...
Msg #5243 Dated 22:00:57 01-12-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SNAPS
Yo... saw the article over somone's shoulder, looked at the snaps and
they were outstanding to say the least.... but didn't reat the article
at that time... so now got the woids.
also, just got on the mail a killer article from the NEW YORKER, dated
Nov. 12, 1990, starts on pg. 95 called HEY, PRESTO! (all about a lay
person going to Colon, MI during the Abbott Get Together. Said she had
trouble finding the address!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #5244 Dated 22:37:53 01-12-91 4967 <--> 5261
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TORN
Pete, is that the torn, restored, oil and water (not necessarily in
that order) ?
Msg #5245 Dated 22:51:47 01-12-91 5241 <-
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST TRICK
A peaceful solution is something we would all like, unfortunately I am
doubtful.
Msg #5246 Dated 0:38:47 01-13-91 -> 5262
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: BIG NEWS FROM HOLLAND!!!!
GOOD NEWS FROM HOLLAND!!!!
==========================
.
Holland hits back.........
.
Did MAGIC! surprise us all with the publication of the Kaps letters
in posession of Pete Biro. MAGIC!-NL is going to strike back with
'on what did Fred Kaps answered.......'.
.
Yes indeed, with permission of Dick Koornwinder, Magic!-NL will
present you the letters that Pete Biro sent Fred Kaps. So you can
get the complete picture.
On a weekly basis, as from 2nd of february (tel nr 31-23-388725)
we will publish one letter. A total of ca. 120 letters are available
so this will keep us busy for ca. 2 years.
.
The letters will be available on a special file area (so not in a
message, and can be downloaded).
.
So, meet you on MAGIC!-NL.
.
Regards,
Arnaud - Sysop MAGIC!-NL
Msg #5249 Dated 0:41:21 01-13-91 -> 5303
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: PAUL DANIELS SHOW 2
Yesterday evening we had the 2nd of the Paul Daniels series on
British TV.
.
A review.....
.
OPENING Cut & restored silk, in folded paper/carton sheet.
======= Simultaneously with Debby (Wife/assistent).
It's the version where the other side moves when you
pull to one end.
.
CARDS A chosen signed card, appears inside glass top-cover of
===== the table...
.
'MENTAL' A (female) spectator thinks of a card (outof a pile...).
======== Paul explains that by physical contact he get a picture of
the card.
So he asks the girl to kiss him. (visibable not willing...)
She does so and the though of card has a pair of lips on the
back.
.
NEXT A banknote is borrowed, a corner is torn off, and the bill is
==== put in an envelop. To show that nothing else is in the
envelop
a candle is put behind it (you probably see where this is
leading to...).
The candle is blown out, and while Paul talks it (the candle)
lits again and the envelop is burned (big drama.....).
Finally the bill is found in a shooting gallery wher the
spectator is asked to shoot a balloon. After failing several
times (all prizes are shot as well as a stage technician,
dropping out of the air..) the balloon is hit and THE back-
note is retrieved.
.
FINALE A bit hard to explain.... A camel is tied on a rope that
====== leads through a large needle (at least the eye of it..).
The rope is held by 2 spectators, and the camel is covered.
When the covered is removed, the camel is standing at the
other side of the needle. (I hope you see the effect..).
.
Finally I would say this show was less magical surprising as last
weeks show, but still ca 5 shows to go.....See you next week.
.
Regards,
Arnaud.
Msg #5250 Dated 0:46:07 01-13-91 5225 <--> 5256
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELLO
It's not the easiest to speak (you need a mouthful of mashed potatoes
to do it right) but I know what you mean... I took six months of
language classes and thought I was doing good until I went to stay with
a family that lived on a farm. They spoke a localized farm dialect and
I could only understand 1 out of 10 words. We called his cousin a lot
and smiled if we thought we understood each other. Mostly forgotten
except I can still say hello and goodbye or where can I buy a beer?
Msg #5251 Dated 0:52:04 01-13-91 5233 <-
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DECK BUILDING
touche!
Msg #5252 Dated 1:00:56 01-13-91
From: RICHARD HART
To: ALL
Re: A REAL ILLUSION?
Went down to Hollywood magic today. Picked up Tenyo's MOONSPINNER.
For those of you who haven't seen it in action, I'd suggest you do!
Basically it's another coin paddle effect. But OH what an effect!
The paddle is circular, about 2" in diameter, and covered with a
"hypnotic" design. The handle of the paddle is also about 2" long, and
is very easy to manipulate. The effect: A quarter is placed on the
face of the paddle. The magician then moves the paddle in a circular
motion--the quarter is seen sliding on the face of the paddle. Then,
slowly, the circular motions are slowed, and stopped, and the quarter
visibly vanishes into nothingness. A layman the effect was being shown
to, FELL off the stool he was sitting on when the quarter vanished!
Of course, you can reverse the process and produce instead of vanish.
You need something for your next "walkaround"? This is it! I'm always
on the look-out for a cute effect, and I consider this one a real gem.
_richard
Msg #5254 Dated 8:54:33 01-13-91 5147 <--> 5304
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
David I REALLY, REALLY think you need to either get out more or don't
stand so close to the microwave.
Msg #5255 Dated 9:00:51 01-13-91 5143 <--> 5268
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
I'll have to introduce you to the other MAGIC! members. After you have
left a few of the RING 21 meetings a few of the other MAGIC! members
have said that they did'nt know you were there and would have liked to
meet you so I will try to point you all out to each other.
Should be a great lecture. I went last year and learned some killer
stuff. Nothing like learning from the best!!!
Msg #5256 Dated 9:06:28 01-13-91 5215 <--> 5257
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: HELLO
I lived in Germany for 3 years and when I wanted to blend in I had what
I called my German clothes which I bought from a German store. There is
a difference in styles (pockets for one) between American and European
clothing. You can spot an American a mile away by both clothing and
manner.
Msg #5257 Dated 9:10:45 01-13-91 5250 <--> 5269
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: HELLO
After 15 years in the Air Force the most important things to learn in
any language are:
1. I would like two beers please.
2. Are you married.
3. Are you happily married?
4. Where is the bathroom?
This list is not in order of importance. The problem is that after you
say your phrase that you have practiced for days or even months the
person to which you said it to starts talking and talking and talking
thinking you understand while you just nod. Actually I think your
better off with phrase 1 and 4.
Msg #5258 Dated 9:20:43 01-13-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KLOSTERMANN STORY
The text in the Smithsonian story is a little "soft", but
again the photos are super. Wonder if reprints are available from
the mag as are some of the other stuff from the museum giftshops
which are close by. I'll check on it.
The entrance to Klostermann's magic room using the mine
shaft idea is really cool. Our studio uses a similar theme just
going inside and we've got Houdini's "Buried Alive" poster framed
and is first thing you see just after turning the corner heading
into the control room. All the kidz who record here think the
Houdini is "bad".
What do you think about the "Letters From Biro" going up
on the Dutch BBS ??? Arnaud is playing it masterfully, don't you
agree? I hope he posts signon instructions for us, or is it a
puzzle?
Guess I'll have to add the Roth Coin Book to the library.
Haven't been into coins much (except to spend them) and had only
a coupla editions of the Bobo book and Hugard stuff. Appreciate
the info and know it will be a valuable addition for years to
come. I have leaned so toward the classics that I missed a lotta
great contemporary books during the eighties while I was looking
for Sr. Blitz, etc. MAGIC! has made the difference for me and it
has me feeling creative again (feels quite good) instead of
blowing dust off forgotten tomes and sneezing alot.......
I'm trying to keep my fingers on magic for the bbs, but
re: Raiders ... I'm pulling for Jay Schraeder as he was treated
miserably by Redskins. The example set by the ownership of the
49ers (respectful) and the Raiders organization (loyalty) do more
for me than merely trying to win football games using whatever ..
Will be watching this afternoon and hoping for the best....no
bass solos...I gotit............tabmandu!
Msg #5259 Dated 9:21:42 01-13-91 5171 <-
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF
I had a good laugh at the Rabbit. I love the Energizer commercials.
Msg #5260 Dated 9:22:10 01-13-91 -> 5342
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD STREET (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY MAGIC
Maybe NewYears isn't exactly the right time, but during
the winter months probably before the florida convention. I'd
like to try to pull from Georgia (Rick Ruhl might help us).
Alabama, and KY too. Keep it small (around 100 attendees if poss)
and try ???!!! to get it to break even. Do it at the Vandy
Holiday Inn or maybe the Hall of Fame cause of the bar (used to
be my "home away from home"). Select lecturers who wouldn't
normally be in the area and treat them like kings so they'd wanna
stay around the whole weekend.
Definately wouldn't wanna conflict with any activities
sponsored by any of the Nashville magic clubs, but would want
them involved if they desire. Winter 1992 would probably give us
enuf time to get it all worked out.
Once initiated, and if successful, it would have to be an
annual event and something we could look forward too for years to
come.
I haven't put a pencil to the figures yet, but plan on
underwriting the costs to guarantee success. The biggest problem
with any event is pulling the participants, so I would want to
make this the best conclave in the southeast and appreciate your
offer of help....I'll count on it.
With many of us on MAGIC! from the east and southeast and
growing, I would want to incorporate MAGIC! into the scheme of
things. Picking the right weekend and publicizing it correctly is
critical to our success.
David Allen Coe is into magic. Maybe we could get Coe and
his band to do a Saturday night show or something. Lots to think
about..........talk at ya later....tabman..
Plus Biro sed he'd come for the blackeyed peas and gritz.
Msg #5261 Dated 11:11:25 01-13-91 5244 <--> 5271
From: PETE BIRO
To: VINCENT HANCOCK (X)
Re: TORN
I forget who said it, I think it was Frank Shields, the only mistake
Vernon ever made was inventing Oil and Water
Msg #5262 Dated 11:12:17 01-13-91 5246 <--> 5301
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BIG NEWS FROM HOLLAND!!!!
Wow..... I can't wait.... tell Koornwinder Howdy from USA.
Msg #5266 Dated 16:10:59 01-13-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC RAIDER
How many of you see (saw today) on of the most famous men of magic on
the sidelines with the one and only Raiders?
yes, he is always there... Dr. Robert Albo. If you know of his books
and his collection you know he REALLY is in magic.
He has been the Raider Doc for ever... matter of fact I first met Albo
when he was team doc for the S. F. Seals Hockey Team and I was the team
photographer. We knew each other for over a year before the submect of
magic came up and once it did... look out!
He was there again today working with the injured players, and I saw
him when Bo Jackson hurt his hip.
What a game... Raiders need more scoring tho to go to the Super Bowl.
They can do it.
Adios...
Msg #5268 Dated 17:53:26 01-13-91 5255 <--> 5305
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
David,
What we really need is a Button or something similar to identify each
other by.
Msg #5269 Dated 17:54:30 01-13-91 5256 <--> 5270
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: HELLO
no kidding, also the mannerisms make a difference. Americans tend to
talk louder and therefore stand out more.
Msg #5270 Dated 17:55:56 01-13-91 5257 <--> 5346
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: HELLO
Did you ever notice that the better you are at No 1 the better you can
speak and understand the language and the more you need to be able the
use No 4. I wonder about these kind of things a lot.
Msg #5271 Dated 18:01:28 01-13-91 5261 <--> 5274
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TORN
Rather a strange comment; Dai Vernon did not invent Oil & Water. The
plot of magical separation goes back perhaps to Hofzinser, although
this is not entirely clear, but there are examples of related items in
print at least as far back as the 1920s (e.g., Leslie Guest). The one
most often credited with creating the plot is Ed Marlo, and though it
is clear he wasn't the first to devise a color separation routine, he
did introduce the patter premise of oil and water not mixing.
Msg #5273 Dated 19:18:06 01-13-91 -> 5276
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: PREDICTION CHEST
With the loss of Tannen's Magic Manuscript I was one of those with an
unexpired subscription. With my credit I ordered London's Prediction
Chest Manuscript. That item is discontinued and none other in the book
is even close. Does any one have either a source where the original
manuscript can be found/bought or a reference where this kind of trick
is written up.
.
Basicall the effect is that a blank piece of paper is notorized and
sealed in a notorized cardboard folder stapled shut that is then sealed
in an envelope with a statement from the notary attesting to what was
done. This is placed in a chest and sent to the target group in
advance of the show. Then in a very fair manner the latest headline or
other predicted notice is found written on the paper.
.
Also, since Magic Manuscript is defunct the comment seem to indicate
that Genii is very good and better than MM ever was. Where and how do
you subscribe.
.
On a different matter, just before Christmas I bought a Stevens tape of
Shiego Takagi doing rope magic. I have seen more showmanship from
rocks, but boy was he good. Also, while he may have been dull the tape
is so detailed and repetious that you can practice right along with him
and not miss a beat. We have certainly lost a true talent for
teaching.
.
Randy Lund
Msg #5274 Dated 21:01:26 01-13-91 5271 <--> 5358
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TORN
I was a tongue in cheek comment made my Shields one night and a group
of us bring it up from time to time... Frank figured the trick was
totally unable to be followed by his clientele. DRUNKS! Hope didi
didn't offend ya...
Msg #5276 Dated 21:03:27 01-13-91 5273 <--> 5308
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: PREDICTION CHEST
Takagi was anything but dull. He was very methodical on his teaching
and handlings. He was one of the best ever at subtleties with rope. And
just about anthing else he touched. He will be missed!!!
Msg #5278 Dated 21:06:50 01-13-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: CARDINI'S BANJO
I believe taht at one time Paul Fox owned Cardini's banjo! Where is it
today?
Msg #5279 Dated 21:07:45 01-13-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: AUCTION
To those who bid on the Okito book......Thanks....
Be back tomorrow......
Msg #5280 Dated 21:16:44 01-13-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: GENII MAGAZINE
Genii
Box 36068
Los Angeles 90036
Msg #5287 Dated 23:27:23 01-13-91 5191 <--> 5339
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: A THUMB TIP
OK, here's one of the highlights of my career... Once, in Las Vegas,
about 3-4 years ago, I appeared between Billy McComb and Ron Wilson!
OK, actually, we didn't "appear," it was more like... well... see, I
was standing at the urinal and they came in and used the adjacent ones.
Msg #5289 Dated 23:32:12 01-13-91 5182 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRIDGE CARD CONTROL
Just got back from Vegas (3 hrs. 40 min. with a stop in Alhambra to
change cars isn't too bad. But it does upset the mere mortals on the
road). Walked in and came straight over to check MAGIC! Seems it
survived my absence (I did check in from Geno's place).
I'm exhausted, so although I have a LOT of MAGIC! news to post (and
over 100 messages to read) I'm not gonna be able to post it tonite.
But YES, GENO is one heck of a guy! I couldn't have had a better time.
Msg #5290 Dated 23:36:14 01-13-91 5206 <--> 5300
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I MOVE
Aw, cummon, guys. Far as I know, there was only ONE edition of the
Necronomicon, and it wasn't only autographed, it was, what the heck do
lawyers call "handwritten?" -- holographic. Written sometime between
the 11th and 15th centuries (too tired to check references tonite),
there are persistent rumors that there is only one surviving copy
(there are some rumors that there are two, and that the other is
effectively lost forever -- it is in Pete's famous boxes). Further
rumor has it that the book is SO MAGIC that it practically glows like
a MAGIC! CRT.
Msg #5294 Dated 23:51:34 01-13-91 5200 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RISING CARD
That is a KNOCKOUT effect Pete! I gotta work on that one. Let's
see... first I gotta catch a cat...
Msg #5296 Dated 23:58:00 01-13-91 5218 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TOPBOOKS.TXT
Looked at Tabman's "Bookshelf" file while in Vegas, but wanted to do a
little reformatting to it. It will be here in a day or two, if I don't
sleep that long.
Msg #5298 Dated 0:02:18 01-14-91 5235 <--> 5299
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LUNCH
Yes, lunch with Geno and Jimmy Grippo was "something else." I figured
that if I ate real slow they'd keep doing stuff. It worked! But do
you know what pasta tastes like after 2-1/2 hours?
Msg #5299 Dated 0:04:09 01-14-91 5240 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCH
You got that right! Lunch up at the big house! (And for all you
non-Southerners [you know, if there were less of you, there'd be more
of us] that DOESN'T mean prison).
Msg #5300 Dated 0:05:34 01-14-91 5290 <--> 5312
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
The Necronomicon was written between the 11th and 15th centuries?
Hmmm. Wonder what H.P. Lovecraft would have to say about that!
Msg #5301 Dated 0:09:14 01-14-91 5262 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BIG NEWS FROM HOLLAND!!!!
Absolutely incredible Arnaud!!! PETE hasn't even seen those letters
(I suspect) in more than 10 years! What a trans-continental start for
MAGIC-NL!
Msg #5303 Dated 0:13:24 01-14-91 5249 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: PAUL DANIELS SHOW 2
Thanks for the info on the Paul Daniels' shows, Arnaud. Really
appreciate you keeping us up to date on happenings on your side.
Msg #5304 Dated 0:15:10 01-14-91 5254 <--> 5347
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
I took your advice, Darrell. And just had a great weekend! Saw and
did enuf to fill several MAGIC! messages. And will get 'em together
shortly after my wits arrive.
Msg #5305 Dated 0:17:17 01-14-91 5255 <--> 5306
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
Actually, I've been too busy watching the lights and the microwave to
EVER leave the house for a Ring 21 meeting. So the guy you think is me
must be some imposter. Here's how you can tell: Was he 6'8" tall?
Did he have one blue and one green eye? Was he wearing a bone through
his nose? And was he dressed in a lycra miniskirt? If the answer to
the above was !@#$% (damn line noise!) then it wasn't me.
Msg #5306 Dated 0:20:27 01-14-91 5268 <--> 5345
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
There are going to be buttons! If they are back from the printer in
time, here is the plan for their distribution:
Button #1 is going to the contest winner who created the slogan.
This will be announced shortly here on MAGIC!
Buttons #2, 3, 4 are going to the MAGIC! Board of Advisors (more
about this in an announcement to be made soon).
Buttons #5 to 25 are going to the first contributors who have
made donations to MAGIC!
Buttons #26 to nnn are going to those who will be in attendance
at the first MAGIC! luncheon at the Castle, Jan. 25th. (You
MUST leave a pre-registration message to DARRELL MURPHY prior
to Jan 18th if you plan to attend).
That will complete the series that will be SIGNED and NUMBERED
on the front of the button. The next set, without numbers,
will be issued to those in attendance at the FIRST ANNIVERSARY
MAGIC! CELEBRATION at Desert Magic.
Msg #5308 Dated 0:32:00 01-14-91 5273 <--> 5357
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: PREDICTION CHEST
Genii IS very good! Dante Larsen, the editor, is a member of MAGIC!
and, if you leave him a personal (some folks call it "private") message
with your name and address and the fact that you want to see an issue,
he will send a MAGIC! member one free.
Msg #5312 Dated 0:39:20 01-14-91 5300 <--> 5328
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: I MOVE
Isn't the date that H.P.L. attributes to the Necronomicon somewhere
between the 11th and 15th centuries?
Msg #5323 Dated 5:58:24 01-14-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TOP "TEN" BOOKS
I don't know if it's too late, but...Well here's my list of top "10"
books (I tried everything I could to limit it to 10 but this is the
best I could do). My criteria was which books would I keep if "forced"
to give up all but a few of my books.
The Tarbell Course in Magic
The Expert at the Card Table - Erdnase
Modern Coin Magic - Bobo
Greater Magic
The Royal Road to Card Magic - Hugard and Braue
The Amateur Magicians Handbook - Hay
The Art of Magic - Downs
Close-up Card Magic - Lorayne
any Vernon book (The Dai Vernon Book of Magic - Ganson,
Inner Secrets Card series, Vernon Chronicles (Vol 1-3),
etc.)
Expert Card Technique - Hugard & Braue
The Fine Art of Magic - Kaplan
Jinx
Stars of Magic
Here are some of the others I considered but for one reason or another
decided not to include in the above. I would also recommend any of
these books to someone looking for good books:
Encore III - Ammar
Illustrated Magic - Ottakar Fischer
several of the Ed Marlo books (e.g. The Cardician)
The Magic of J.N. Hofsinser
Theatrical Close-up - Samelson
Stewart James in Print - James
Encyclopedia of Magic and Magicians - Waters
Focus - Phil Goldstein
any of Goldstein's lisp series of books
the Eugene Burger books
the Larry Jennings books
The Secrets of Brother Hamman - Kaufman
The Commercial Magic Of J.C. Wagner - Maxwell
Tricks from the Tree Top - Walker
the Scarne books
Encyclopedic Dictionary of Magic (Vol 1-2) - Whaley
Who's Who in Magic - Whaley
Expert Coin Magic - Roth
Hope that gives food for thought.
Charlie
Msg #5324 Dated 6:00:07 01-14-91 -> 5331
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: KATO CARD HAPPENING
Anyone looking for a reference to Pete Biro's description of Kato's
Card Happening (see message 4416), it is in Genii - Sept. 1969, page
23. I've been playing with it. When you hit it just right it does
look like real magic.
Charlie
Msg #5325 Dated 7:18:46 01-14-91 -> 5332
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISH
You have a Satellite dish too??
Msg #5326 Dated 7:59:48 01-14-91 -> 5333
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: OKITO
You mentioned your interest in Okito and in his ability
to craft magic apparatus from wood and your subsequent attempts
at apparatus building yourself.
Likewise, I feel the same pull toward Okito and his
memories. Let me recommend OKITO ON MAGIC if you haven't read it.
First published in 1952 it is still available as well as an
excellent reprint from Magic, Inc. Seems I remember Charlie had
the reprint on his book list for around ten bucks.
I'm interested to know if you've since done any apparatus
building as this is an area of interest we share? I started
building my way through Modern Magic a coupla years ago. At first
my efforts were less than perfect, but after considerable
practice I'm getting the hang of it to the point where I'm
considering offering some of my Hoffmann Boxes(tm) on a limited
basis through ads in Genii to magicians who appreciate that sort
of thing.
I've been building with mahogany, walnut and cherry; but
will soon buy a supply of Honduran rosewood and "go for it." I
guess the biggest thing in my way right now is the "war" and
uncertainty of when we'll be able to move to the farm in
Tennessee since adv don't appear for a coupla months after the
die is cast (so to speak) and the address would perhaps change
before then. If my wife has to go to war, I'll probably wait it
out here at Spring Hill and can make some sorta decision then...
Msg #5327 Dated 8:00:55 01-14-91 -> 5334
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Darrell -->
My attendance at the Castle Luncheon is tenative at best
right now as mine is an army reserve family and I must remain
flexible to deal with "whatever". Since they only give you a few
daze notice, I'm gonna have to stay close to home and can't make
any real travel plans til we get some sorta yea or nay from hdq.
I had made plans to come in the day before so I could
catch Max's show and say howdy, have a swordfish burger with the
coolest minds in magic!, see a friend in Santa Monica, check out
Burt and the Padre Range, go see Bill Smith's Alexander stuff,
Ride with the stunt boys in the birddog flight team and then come
home on Sunday. Sounds good, huh! ...tabman tours ...
Oh well, you'd better count me out unless I've got an
affirmative by the 18th.......You're a good man, Darrell...I'll
catch you as soon as I can........tabman...
Msg #5328 Dated 9:12:32 01-14-91 5300 <--> 5329
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: I MOVE
Is H.P. still working the streets of San Francisco?
Msg #5329 Dated 9:13:05 01-14-91 5312 <--> 5373
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
My error, I thought you were talking about the Necromonicon.
Msg #5331 Dated 9:17:33 01-14-91 5324 <--> 5371
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: KATO CARD HAPPENING
Thanks for the ref: This way I can add that whenever I write about it.
I have no file of past Genii magazines and don't get to the Castle
Library enuf to take time to look! Yes, it is Magic and not that hard
to do. The toughest part is setting the deck down with the card off to
the side without being obvious!
Msg #5332 Dated 9:18:47 01-14-91 5325 <--> 5340
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: DISH
Up here in the boonies... thre was no cable when we moved here. You had
to install a dish. Now we got both (soon to be ex wife had HER shows to
watch when MY shows were on!)
Msg #5333 Dated 9:20:14 01-14-91 5326 <--> 5359
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OKITO
Great Okito story. Son said he would like to build a table. (First
attempt) Okito said to David, OK. (I am condensing as am online) David
brought in finished table. Okito picked it up, looked at underside and
said "It isn't finished, the underneath is still plain wood!"
Msg #5334 Dated 9:21:49 01-14-91 5327 <--> 5348
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
I see the only solution: If peace isn't the answer. ONE BOMB. Sorry, I
don't want to see long fight. My first choice is for Bush to say, "We
gave all you Persian Gulf guys time to figure it out. We are leaving,
bye bye, go ahead and kill each other!" But for our country to be there
IN MY OPINION is giant mistake in first place. But what do I know?
Msg #5337 Dated 10:12:31 01-14-91 -> 5378
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: ALL
Re: MAGAZINE
I was helping a friend shop for a computer the other day when in one of
the stores that we check I found a magazine calle Connecting Point...it
is a freebie/throwaway promo piece for computer stores. Anyways...this
particular mag had a cover story on Peter Samelson and Dameon and how
they use computers to design and implement magic effects for their
corporate clients. The magazine is strictly designed for the MAC
consumer so you may be able find it at a MAC reseller. The particular
store I found it in So.Cal is the SOS Computer Stores. Interesting
articles with several color pics...
As always....the one..the only....
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #5338 Dated 10:17:33 01-14-91 -> 5410
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HEY!
Wayne...was nice meeting you Sat. night at the Castle. Too bad you were
not able to stay longer...did a "KILLER" show in the Hat & Hare later
that evening! Hope to see you again at the luncheon.
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #5339 Dated 10:21:55 01-14-91 5287 <--> 5379
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: A THUMB TIP
David...Must have been a real pisser!
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #5340 Dated 10:26:00 01-14-91 5332 <--> 5351
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISH
Hehe, I'm in the boonies too, but I just HAD to have a dish. I like
being able to have the east/west feeds and the weekly downlink of Star
Trek, the next Generation.
If you didn't know, G^ is now up, it's between G3 and S3.
Msg #5341 Dated 10:27:24 01-14-91
From: RICK RUHL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ME?
I
whoopps, I'll help, what is it, the close up conclave? we could have it
here in Atlanta, just rent a Hotel somewhere and go for it. Maybe one
3 or 4 miles form my house...yeah, that's the ticket.
Msg #5342 Dated 11:11:44 01-14-91 5260 <--> 5349
From: RICHARD STREET
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY MAGIC
Not familiar with Rich Ruhl, but then there's a lot I'm learning about
folk in general. I'll be happly to help anyway I can. How about a
Supreme Goo Goo cluster for desert. Don't think their available on your
end of the line. Later ..RS
save
Msg #5343 Dated 11:34:47 01-14-91 -> 5352
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PANDORA
Re: YOUR UNCLE
I just read a book from a respected author who calls
writers and magicians who steal material from the acts of others,
scoundrels in one chapter and then teaches me his routines to
several well known closeup effects from the thirties and forties;
requalifing in a later chapter by pointing the finger at those
who steal entire acts and/or presentations one hundred percent;
patter, moves and all.
Where is the grey area, if in fact one exists? The very
fabric from which a magician is made has fibres of deception
tightly interwoven with the other threads necessary to weave the
total personality of a magician. Perhaps without this somtimes
calculated sometimes random "borrowing" there would be no
continuity of the art; little growth; or even, real
communications.
Another question arises; is it theft to use someones
material without permission but giving them credit for their
thought or invention (most probably a variation of a variation)
while we do our own "original" version. Does the inventor mind
the theft if proper credit is given. Is intellectual recognition
tantamount to acceptance within the community itself. Is the
fabric of the community woven from the personalities of the
magicians themselves or is it something else?
Msg #5344 Dated 12:01:40 01-14-91 -> 5353
From: MICHAEL OVERLY
To: ALL
Re: HELLO & LOCATION EFFECT.
Greetings. I have just discovered your magical bulletin board. I am
also new to California. Does anyone know of any magicians in the Long
Beach Area?
Here is an excellant location effect that I have been using for some
time.
Although the parts are not knew, I have never seen their combination in
the manner set forth below.
(1) Do an incomplete in-faro.
(2) Have the spectator peek at a card in the upper half. Retain a
pinky break in the rear half.
(3) Strip out the upper half and fan showing card is lost inside it.
This also impliedly shows that no breaks are being held.
(4) Place the original upper half onto the original rear half and cut
the cards below the break to the top. This places the selected card
26th from the top. I usually fan the cards again to show that the card
is not near the top or bottom.
(5) Next, have the spectator cut a small (1-20) packet of cards from
the top of the deck (turn your head to avoid the suspicion of
estimating the number).
(6) Do another in-faro. The selected card is now at a position from
the bottom of the deck equal to the number of cards in the packet cut
by the spectator PLUS ONE. I usually get rid of the extra card with a
double cut.
(7) I then ask the spectator for the first time to count the cards he
has in his hand. I then very fairly count from the face of the deck to
reveal his card at that number.
[the incomplete faro peek control to the 26th position is well known
(see Martin Nash's first book) the other part of the effect comes from
a Harry Lorayne idea published in Quantum Leaps.]
I hope your subscribers enjoy this effect.
Msg #5345 Dated 13:17:25 01-14-91 5305 <--> 5381
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
As you know our meetings are in Hollyweird and that is standard dress
for that area of town.!!
Msg #5346 Dated 13:22:59 01-14-91 5270 <-
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: HELLO
Yes I have noticed that on several occasions.
Msg #5347 Dated 13:26:17 01-14-91 5304 <--> 5382
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
All kidding aside you have done a great job with MAGIC! and deserve an
occasional break from watching the modem lights.
Msg #5348 Dated 13:32:13 01-14-91 5327 <--> 5372
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Hope to see you there but after 15 years of Air Force service I know
form which you talk. I am hoping that Uncle Saddam will see the light
soon but I am not holding my breath. Will keep you and yours in my
prayers!!!
Msg #5349 Dated 14:04:20 01-14-91 5342 <-
From: RICK RUHL
To: RICHARD STREET (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY MAGIC
hehe it's me.
Msg #5350 Dated 15:48:07 01-14-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: TAPES
Tapes arrived and will get em back to you ina week or so....
Msg #5351 Dated 16:25:10 01-14-91 5340 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: DISH
Thanks. Yeh, I like to watch Leno feed NY time and go to bed at 9:30
but will not have that where I am moving to.
Msg #5352 Dated 16:26:45 01-14-91 5343 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOUR UNCLE
Al Koran usedto say: "Steal a mans act and you are stealing his
living". I really don't know the gray area. Maybe it's light yellow
now? Duh.... I think giving credit ofr a sequnce or move or whatever
when you now it is a must. Nicking the whole thing a no no. Like my
latest project, putting the NEMO rope routine back together. The
opening,move/handling is mine. The way I hand jout the 3 pieces of rope
is mine, but then the display grip is roger Sylwesters (was in print)
and I will give BRIEF descript, then tell where in print. The finish is
the Conway rope trick, you got to buy book or find effect. You see Ken
Brooke owned rights to Conway trick so I was giving Ken my lead in and
Sylwester handling (I think Ken had tried to reach him for rights,
maybe did, don't know as Ken died in midst of this) and so on....
Msg #5353 Dated 16:31:26 01-14-91 5344 <--> 5360
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL OVERLY (X)
Re: HELLO & LOCATION EFFECT.
I used to Live in Long Beach, but didn't get to the ring meetings
there, I understand there are some good guys in LB now. The owner of
Mercury Camera on 3rd or 4th (he jsut moved) LIKES magic, but not die
hard. Good luck... Oh, yes on Ximino Ave, Nicholas night lives there
and Sylvester the Jester (fine close up act0 lives in L. B. Check at
the Comdy Magaic Club in Hermosa Beach, lots of magi work there.
Msg #5354 Dated 16:33:37 01-14-91 -> 5362
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: WAR?
Did I just hear a news flash there might be a delay... GOD I HOPE SO.
Msg #5357 Dated 17:59:19 01-14-91 5273 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: PREDICTION CHEST
Jack London died years ago, thus the manuscript is out of print.
Suggest you check used book lists.
Msg #5358 Dated 18:00:11 01-14-91 5274 <--> 5365
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TORN
No offense taken, although I'll disagree about the commerciality of the
Oil & Water effect. I'll grant that, improperly presented, it winds up
being confusing and hard to follow. However, years ago when I was doing
table-hopping I used it frequently -- even for drunks -- and it was
quite successful. The secret is to make the effect explicit. (If you
want to see it done just right, catch Juan Tamariz.)
Msg #5359 Dated 18:05:28 01-14-91 5333 <--> 5366
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OKITO
Actually, the story goes that David Bamberg was showing his father some
props in use in his Fu Manchu show, and Okito pointed out that one was
unfinished on its back surface. David defended this by explaining that
as the prop was never turned in use, the audience would never see the
unfinished side. "Yes," countered his father, "but _you_ will."
Msg #5360 Dated 18:09:51 01-14-91 5344 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MICHAEL OVERLY (X)
Re: HELLO & LOCATION EFFECT.
The Incomplete Faro Control was devised by Ed Marlo.
Msg #5361 Dated 19:23:13 01-14-91 -> 5400
From: STAN LAKE
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: CASTLE LUNCH
Good news Darrell. I found out today that I was approved to have
January the 25th off, so count me in for lunch!
Msg #5362 Dated 19:24:44 01-14-91 5354 <--> 5367
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WAR?
Pete......If Jimmy Grippo could just call Huessein (sic) he could use
the power of voice hypno-suggestion and perhaps persuade him to give
up! Oh well!
Geno
Msg #5363 Dated 19:24:40 01-14-91 -> 5388
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: XMAS CARD
My, my, you are mailing your Christmas cards out early this year! It's
the first one on the mantle for 1991! Also, thanks for the present you
enclosed. Now, when are you going to pay for those cards? (hardy,
har, har!)
Msg #5364 Dated 19:27:43 01-14-91 -> 5384
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: FILE
When I downloaded the list of the top 100 magic books and try to read
it on screen or print it out all I get is all of the information over
and over on one line. Is it me or the file?
Also, would it be practical to have the messages from Arnaud's BBS
downloaded for all to read here rather than all of us making those
transcontinental phone calls?
Msg #5365 Dated 20:24:27 01-14-91 5358 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TORN
OK, Juan will be at the Desert Seminar. I am REALLY LOOKING FORWRAD TO
SEEING HIM ONCE AGIAN. He is one of the Genius performers in the world.
Msg #5366 Dated 20:25:30 01-14-91 5359 <--> 5385
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: OKITO
Good stuff. I guess in time all those great stories get 're-told' and
changed from time to time. Jay was working with Amy getting anecdotal
material for the THREE tape set Joe is preparing on Okito, with much
help and on site shooting at Doc Albo's home. And other locations.
Msg #5367 Dated 20:27:06 01-14-91 5362 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: WAR?
Anything!!! Lets try ANYTHING!!! I keep glued to CNN right now.
Msg #5371 Dated 22:46:58 01-14-91 5324 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: KATO CARD HAPPENING
Thanks for the research, Charlie!
Msg #5372 Dated 22:50:12 01-14-91 5327 <--> 5401
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
I'm sorry to hear that Tabman is not likely to be at the luncheon.
However, you may want to hold his chair for another possible candidate
(if they both show up, we will find a way to accomodate them - heck,
with these two in the room we could certainly work something out...)
anyway, Geno Munari may be able to attend.
Msg #5373 Dated 22:53:13 01-14-91 5329 <--> 5377
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I MOVE
Now I'm really confused! I thought the Necromonicon was a bar in Santa
Monica that was run by Jane Fonda.
Msg #5377 Dated 22:55:54 01-14-91 5312 <--> 5380
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
Considering that old H.P. himself INVENTED the "Necronomicon", I guess
he could date it whenever he liked. :-)
I do understand that there are printed "copies" of it floating around,
most produced by students of Lovecraft... As to a true copy, quien
sabes?
_richard
Msg #5378 Dated 22:57:50 01-14-91 5337 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: MAGAZINE
Thanks for the info on Connecting Point. How can we get these guys on
MAGIC!?
Msg #5379 Dated 22:58:46 01-14-91 5339 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: A THUMB TIP
Yeah! It almost got a standing ovation!
Msg #5380 Dated 22:59:07 01-14-91 5328 <--> 5387
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I MOVE
I don't know. I haven't been to San Francisco since Earthquake's place
folded. I do have fond memories, however, of wandering through the
stacks of magic stuff at Buma Burger's shop. If H.P. is still there,
he's probably haunting there...
Msg #5381 Dated 23:03:13 01-14-91 5345 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
I know. Someone was once kind enough to send me a post card of the
area.
Msg #5382 Dated 23:03:56 01-14-91 5347 <--> 5402
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
Thanks. I left MAGIC! pretty much alone for the entire weekend and was
very happy, on my return, to see all the lights still blinking. The
last "glitch" we had was almost a week ago, so I think I'm pronouncing
the system stable.
Msg #5384 Dated 23:10:02 01-14-91 5364 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FILE
Dowloads of Tabby's list are possible at the moment, BUT it hasn't been
"fixed" yet. I was out of town and didn't have the chance (and
probably won't until tomorrow night, sorry). Will post a message as
soon as the "authorized edition" is on MAGIC!
We are working out a plan to pass messages back and forth between
MAGIC! and MAGIC-NL. At first they will probably be in downloadable
files on each end. As the kinks work out they may be more interactive.
I don't think that you will need to make transatlantic calls on a
regular basis in order to keep up with messages, but Arnaud is
encouraging those who can to make a call or two to help get MAGIC-NL
going.
Msg #5385 Dated 23:02:45 01-14-91 5326 <-
From: RICHARD HART
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OKITO
Well you know, dear Tabman, we DO share a couple of interests.
One, our love of the crafting of things magical, and second, our love
of music. I spent a number of years as chief recording engineer at a
studio in Hollywood. Worked with some of the finest bluegrass
musicians in the business, not to mention just about everyone else...
As for Okito, I was quite disappointed in not having issued the winning
bid for the book, but after a quick work-up of my (egads, do I dare
curse on this board?) TAXES, I found that my coffers were a bit on the
slim side... I shall continue to try and obtain a copy nonetheless...
I've built many pieces for my kid shows, from drop-down mirror boxes to
tables. Spent many an hour trying to make an Owen vanishing dove cage
silent enough to use close-up... Okito's work, though, still astounds
me. What I'd give (well, within limits--I'm not Dr. Albo) for a few of
his pieces now! I've never had the, er, balls, to try and work with
mahogony or cherry, I guess I'll stick with good ole plywood and
masonite for now. Someday, the muse willing, I will be fortunate
enough to have the equipment to be able to turn out a few good
pieces... Would (or should that be wood?) enjoy hearing of your
triumphs and failures though. Certainly I'd have much to learn from
your experiences. Hell, I'd probably be one of your best customers!
By all means, let me know when you're ready to start selling a few of
your pieces. After recovering from post-tax psychosis, I might be
willing to splurge!
_richard
Msg #5387 Dated 23:18:03 01-14-91 5377 <--> 5389
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: I MOVE
There have been copies advertised from time to time and there have been
a few citations of the Necronomicon in scholarly papers, but no-one has
ever seriously produced a copy. As you know, one is supposed to be at
"Miskatonic University" and Miskatonic is supposed to be a pseudonym
for a real place.
You know, all of this could lead to an interesting idea... I can't
think of the name, but there IS a fake professor who was invented in
the 20's and who has, from time to time, published scholarly research
in a number of disciplines. (Does anyone remember the name?). Anyway,
it would be possible for the members of MAGIC! to invent a fake
magician. As a group we could probably do a pretty good job on this
guy, publishing effects under his name, etc. Only MAGIC! members would
know. Interesting thought, no?
Let's see... we could call him Steve Kucera or something catchy like
that.
Msg #5388 Dated 23:23:55 01-14-91 5363 <--> 5529
From: RICHARD HART
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: XMAS CARD
Stan,
In regards to the force decks I owe you for...
I'm planning on attending the Michael Ammar lecture on the 25th, and
yes, I think I'm going to break down and take the day off so I can
attend the MAGIC! luncheon at the castle. Would it be ok if I pick up
the decks from you there? I really want to save you the hassle of
mailing them to me. Can you wait 10 days for the coin?
Regards,
_richard
Msg #5389 Dated 23:27:28 01-14-91 5387 <--> 5391
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
If you're interested in a "pseudo" research paper, I can suggest:
"The Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline" by
Isaac Asimov. About a compound that dissolves in water BEFORE being
dropped into it...
Msg #5390 Dated 23:25:56 01-14-91 -> 5449
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CONTRIBUTION
I still haven't caught up with my weekend. Seems that although I rode
back from Vegas in a car, my wits are lost in baggage at LAX. Oh,
well. Will get my act back together as soon as possible.
Meanwhile, I had to share something with y'all.....
I got a letter today from a magician who, for the moment, shall remain
nameless - we can call him K.C. He is NOT a member of MAGIC! at the
moment. Seems that he doesn't have a computer. But another member has
been slipping him messages from MAGIC! As a result, he is buying a
computer! AND he sent MAGIC! a contribution! No small sum either!
Here's a quote from his letter...
"I have already received more value [from MAGIC!] than I would if I had
spent $-- on one of the newest books, so I am enclosing a check for $--
to help you with expanding the system, etc."
His contribution not only helps our operational coffers, I think it is
a great tribute to all of us. So maybe the guy (who shall remain
nameless for the moment) who prints off messages and passes them to
K.C. will print off this one and give it to him with our profound
thanks?
Msg #5391 Dated 0:25:18 01-15-91 5389 <--> 5393
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: I MOVE
Sounds like something that could be used in magic! I did see an
interesting water item over the weekend and will be reporting more on
it soon. In it the water, in small droplets, ran UP from the base to
the top. But the mage could interupt the flow by placing a glass
UPRIGHT (open end to the top) into the stream of droplets. The glass
would fill with water...
Msg #5392 Dated 0:28:12 01-15-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: KAPS LETTER #3
LETTER #3 FROM FRED KAPS TO PETE BIRO
These letters and the related Fred Kaps material that he choses to
publish on MAGIC! will remain the personal property of Pete Biro,
Copyright 1991 by Pete Biro, All rights reserved.
NOTE: All letters are "verbatim" as written, remember English was
not Fred's native language! Any comments or clarifications by
the editor are enclosed in << >>.
<>
May 15th 1974.
Pete:
Received your Note and it was good to hear from you again.
Glad to hear the delay was due to business!
I have been playing with the Himber Ring idea but haven't
found a practical solution so far to do this close up. I think I
prefer the trailing thread best, because you don't have to reset
for each showing and can use the pencil over and over again.
<>.
I do hope you get a chance to write the routine you worked
out with Bruce, because as you mentioned: so far there has not
been a satisfying routine.
Came up with a so-easy card switch for the "STING" where you
show the hand as 3,3,3,3,6 first and J,J,J,J,6 later.
I use 4 double facers 3s and Jacks! Plus an ordinary 6 of
hearts. The 6 is on the bottom so you can show packet both sides.
You act the same way as Paul Newman does in the picture: looking
over your shoulder etc., and you peel the cards carefully as a
real poker player thereby hiding the Jack indexes on the back
with your right fingers. Put the fan face up on the table or show
face up in hands as being 4 threes and a 6. Close fan and turn
face down. Put packet on table for a moment to reach into pocket
for money or something like in the movie. Talk a moment and pick
up the hand again, doing the over the shoulder look again and
when you put the cards back on the table, you do a half-pass
turning the 4 double facers under the 6 of hearts. No, I am
sorry! It is not a pass at all: it is just turning the 4 doubles
underneath the 6!
So the packet is face down on the table again and after your
story you turn the packet face up(?) and show you switched to
Jacks!
Even if you do the turnover of the 4 cards under the 6 not
so perfect it does not matter because you are going to explain
anyway! They might remember you doing something but will be
surprised when they see the Holdout later!
I also worked out a turnover on the table but will show you
when in Boston. Too difficult to explain on paper.
How about using a tape recorder with the music of "The
Sting" to set the mood for the gambling lecture to follow! Sounds
nice to me!
<>.
Ken <> still sounded a little depressed in his last
letter <> but I sure
hope they will work everything out fine.
Hope he will be able to make it to Monte Carlo next June.
Would do him good. No business, just relax and have some fun.
Well, Pete, let me hear from you again!
Kindest regards to all the boys! See you in Boston!
(signed) Fred-
Msg #5393 Dated 1:20:07 01-15-91 5387 <--> 5404
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the gag of creating a
false magician has been done before, in at least three different
publications. Also, there was an elaborate _live_ gag involving a
mythical performer which was developed over several east coast
conventions some years back.
Msg #5394 Dated 3:00:12 01-15-91 -> 5432
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: ALL
Re: NECRONOMICON
I don't claim to be an expert, but.......
The Necronomicon is generally considered to have been passed, under its
original title Al-Azif, from the Mad Arab Abdul Alhazred (probably more
accurately Al-Hazred) to paper in the 8th Century A.D. in Damascus. Two
editions are extant (both modern republications of the original
manuscript): one the "America=AV^OPT.Y^"ubupg-mw 5411
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LOGIN TO MAGIC!-NL
Tabu,
Logging in into MAGIC!-NL is as simple as it can be...
Just dial 31-23-388725 enter your name.
To determinie if you are a real magical wizard I will test the
new user with some simple questions....(magic related).
Should be no problem.
See you on MAGIC!-NL
Arnaud
Msg #5397 Dated 7:21:34 01-15-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: ON TOUR
Geekman -->
Are you on the road alot?? There's a great comedy club in
Nashville - Zany's - do you ever make it in there, also coupla
pretty good clubz in the Richmond, DC, Baltimore area...anyway if
you get over this way give me a holler and if I'm not homebound
I'll come by to see ya. By the way, oh never mind....tabman..
Msg #5398 Dated 7:22:06 01-15-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD STREET (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY MAGIC
Richard -->
I've got some thoughts on the Music City Seminar and will
jot them down later and shoot them up to you to see what you
think. Can you give me some ideas about what dates locally would
conflict with the Nashville magic clubs. Also thoughts on
lecturers who have not been to town ina while/never......tabman.
Msg #5399 Dated 7:22:51 01-15-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY MAGIC
Hi Rick -->
What we hope to do is to put a seminar together for a
weekend in Nashville. Hope to draw from B'ham, Atlanta,
Chattanooga, L'ville, Memphis, Knoxville, etc and would like to
see if you're interested in helping us with it from the
Atlanta end. Primarily at this point we need to pick a time that
won't conflict with any of the other activities going on. Am
intersted in early 1992....more on this later, but have some
ideas I'll jot down and send up ina coupla daze.....tabman...
Msg #5400 Dated 8:14:35 01-15-91 5361 <-
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE LUNCH
GREAT!!!! Your on the list and am looking forward to meeting you face
to face.
Msg #5401 Dated 8:19:58 01-15-91 5372 <--> 5435
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: LUNCHEON
I will add Geno to the list as a MAYBE along with Tabby. We are comming
down to the wire so if anyone else here on the Network is planning on
attending the MAGIC! Luncheon please send me a message now. I don't
know if I mentioned this in other messages but for this luncheon you do
not need to be a member of the Castle to attend.
Msg #5402 Dated 8:27:42 01-15-91 5382 <--> 5408
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
I don't know about that? You know what happens when you pronounce a
system as being stable????
Msg #5403 Dated 8:27:39 01-15-91 -> 5412
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PANDORA'S UNCLE
I guess what was bothering me was that this particular
author drove this "stealing" thing into the ground and then
"stole" all of his material. It was hard for me to swallow. The
book was/is excellent and I have several by him on the shelves
but can't understand where he got off on his tirade. So, all
those he "borrowed" from are no longer with us. I would have
rather had him say, "here is the process for taking a classic
effect or an idea or invention and doing your own thing with it"
which he is really excellent with.
I don't think there have been more than a dozen (outside
technological advances) new ideas presented since the turn of the
century. At Doc Eason's lecture - first he did a show and then
tipped everyone - he said, after a particularly strong effect,
"this is in Fine Art of Magic" and everyone just sorta gasped.
Heard someone mutter "jeeez, got that book at home but never saw
that!" Doc added a 1% improvement (really) and rode that horse to
town.
Top producer in Nashville when asked how do you make a
hit record sed "if the #1 this week is about a red car, we do one
about a blue truck!" exact quote....whether you agree with this
philosophy or not (thats why he's rich and I'm not) it prevails
and is a wall any creator has to climb over.
The object, then, must be to be the one they copy; but
how do you get there? Must you copy someone else and by doing so
discover those things that make you unique. Listen to the sincere
thank yous from any good award show and discover the inspiration
of the true artist. In addition to mom and the lawyer and
accountant, it is those who showed the way by style, originality,
and invention that get mentioned with appreciation.
With few exceptions, material over 54 years old belongs
to the public domain it is all ours to use. Every new variation
copyrighted must be filed as an arrangement or adaptation of
public domain material to be legal and each new discoverer has
the right to draw on the original public domain source.
Magic and music seem forever intertwined the only real
difference being ag and us. Conventions I went to years ago
always hada banjo player. Still I wonder, who has Cardini's banjo
today?
Everyone likes "real magic", laughter and suspense. I
forsee a day when a magician will parlay a talent and interest in
sound reproduction and the desire to further suspend reality into
new and more exciting presentational possibilities. Through the
use of these technologies combined with a flair for original and
effective presentation he or she will take the visual into a true
4th dimensional reality.
Like the rabbit found out, "Trix are for kidz!"...tabman.
Remember, you named him.
Msg #5404 Dated 9:45:58 01-15-91 5373 <--> 5405
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
No, it is run by Wolfgang Puck. (Have you eaten at his Chinese
Restaurant? IT IS A KILLER A 10-PLUS-10 !!1
Msg #5405 Dated 9:47:44 01-15-91 5387 <--> 5406
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
You have all been had. There is a REAL FAKE online.
Msg #5406 Dated 9:48:28 01-15-91 5389 <--> 5407
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: I MOVE
Send me some and we can work up several Marlo variations.
Msg #5407 Dated 9:49:09 01-15-91 5391 <--> 5413
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
Huh?
Msg #5408 Dated 9:50:10 01-15-91 5402 <--> 5427
From: PETE BIRO
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
Isn't that where you keep the horses?
Msg #5410 Dated 9:48:20 01-15-91 5338 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: HEY!
Thanx, Tony. It was a pleasure meeting you as well. Glad your Hat &
Hare Pub Show went so well. I was at the castle Sunday afternoon and
literally closed the place Sunday night. Normally I'm there on Sunday
and Tuesday nights, although I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to
attend this evening. I am planning to be at the luncheon and am
looking forward to seeing you then if not before.
Perhaps next time we'll BOTH be under a Fedora!
Msg #5411 Dated 9:57:17 01-15-91 5395 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: LOGIN TO MAGIC!-NL
Arnaud... I think for USA phones you need to dial 011 first to get the
overseas line. I will check and let the others know if it works ok.
Thanks. Tell Koornwinder I will swap my ORIGINAL KAPS letters for
copies of my letters.
Msg #5412 Dated 10:00:14 01-15-91 5403 <--> 5542
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PANDORA'S UNCLE
How about Crandall's Banjo? And one other magician used to do a Banjo
solo, Bob Lewis. I once wanted to put on a show at a convention where
Vernon did NO Magic, but played piano, Crandall the Banjo (there are
several others in music that are famed mojo men (a group I did th albmu
pix for in the 60s) but I forget the list.
One time in Vodvil a guy started abusiness to protect comic material,
he advertised, SEND ME YOUR COMEDY SCRIPTS, I WILL LOG THEM INTO A
REGISTER TO PROTECT THEM. SO IF SOME ONE STEALS YOUR GAGS YOU CAN SITE
THE DATE ETC. REGISTERED.
GUESS WHAT? The guy waited awhile and then sold the jokes to
anybody that would pay!!!! Cheeez....
Msg #5413 Dated 10:08:14 01-15-91 5393 <--> 5422
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: I MOVE
As well as a "famous" team act created by Dave Madden at the last
Abbott's Convention in Colon, Michigan...(athough I don't have the
exact address)
Msg #5416 Dated 10:35:37 01-15-91 -> 5418
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-NL
I have dialed MAGIC-NL three times today, but only get RINGING but
nothing answers. Has anyone else tried?
To get through I dialed 011-3123-388725
Any one with more info, lemme know, gracias, etc.
Msg #5418 Dated 10:47:18 01-15-91 5416 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC-NL
Thin they're coming online in feb 2 sometime if i understood arnauds
announcement.......
Msg #5419 Dated 11:14:20 01-15-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
Charlie -->
Thanks for the book recommendations and the putting of
the name on the mailing list for me. When the topbooks list
becomes available in File 13 please download it and comment if
you would. Most, if not all, of the books you mentioned have now
been included in the list.
What else by Racherbaumer do you have available? Also,
I'm looking for the big Roth coin book which is now out of print
from the publisher...haven't checked any "dealers" yet, but
thought I'd see if it was avail from H&R before I went further.
Can you give me any feedback on Rachers book Marlo W/o Tears?
Been perusing The Last Heirophant past coupla nights and want to
get more stuff by him in here.
tabman
Msg #5420 Dated 11:15:09 01-15-91 -> 5530
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: XMAS CARD
Well, for one thing it was a "Happy New Year Card" for
another, I bought hundreds of them a while bak when I thought I'd
never leave the plantation. Now, I can't foresee another xmas
here and gotta use them up...so expect another one around easter
and at labor day.
We will move and continue "the old principal's house
library" under that name as it has a history dating to before the
turn of the century. Most fascinating are the old texts on
physics, mechanics, and morals as well as hundreds of books on
philosophy, prose, and poetry. The oldest part of the library are
around 300 leather bound books dating before 1800. These
fortunately were moved to Georgia around 20 years ago and wern't
subject to the burgulars choice. One of my favorites is The Mind
At Mischief by Sadler.
Best is your unloading those forcing dex to the dealer at
$3 per. If you could sell a coupla hundred of those babies a day
you'd be Stan's House of Cards. If you decide to do some
brainwaves, I'll take 5...........tabman.
Msg #5421 Dated 11:16:17 01-15-91 -> 5444
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: ROSEWOOD MAGIC
The tie between music and magic is strong. They are both
art forms that answer questions that haven't been asked.
Bluegrass and jazz both attract lots of maji, I believe because
of the complex tonal structure and underlying themes. Speed metal
is the bluegrass of rock and has its share of devotees.
My dream as a youth was to devote my life to the study of
magic. Music has given me the freedom to do just that and as an
added benefit the ability to "feel" beneath the surface. Music or
dance and music can develop the ability to sense timing and go
with the flow (so to speak). Not to be a spectator, but to be the
performance. Those with the ability to attach the aural to the
visual; and the visual to the aural, will be the most successful.
Even silence has a sound.
I'll keep you posted on the woodshop stuff. It'll be a
while. Love it though, through it I feel a link to the past..I'm
a lousy businessman, usually giving away more stuff than I sell,
but you gotta give to receive and I am blessed everyday so it
must be working. There's something to be said about having
friends anyway.........
Msg #5422 Dated 11:35:04 01-15-91 5405 <--> 5428
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I MOVE
What's a REAL FAKE ??
Msg #5423 Dated 11:39:01 01-15-91 -> 5424
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SLYDINI
Just recieved word that Tony Slydini, 91, passed away. At 4:00 am
Eastern time. I am getting badf line noise on this computer. Just want
to say THIS IS A LEGENDARY MAN THAT WILL BE SORELY MISSED BY ALL. I am
usre many ontehrs will have much to say. I hope this message is not too
badly garbled -- it is terrible on my screen, but in the past, it seems
to be ok at the receiving end.
Msg #5424 Dated 12:11:21 01-15-91 5423 <--> 5450
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLYDINI
His life proves that artists have the potential for longevity and his
art proves that "real magic" is within the realm of possibility. I only
wish I had known him through more than his tv appearances and books..
Msg #5425 Dated 13:19:50 01-15-91 -> 5461
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MO' BOOKS
Call to Lindsay Publications at 815-468-3668 or fax 815-
468-3694 to get their "technical books" catalog. They've got great
reprints of stuff from early through the present like "Boy
Mechanic" from 1913 with large magic section to the "Experimental
Science" series most of it 4 to 10 dollars. A leatherlike
material bound Boy Mechanic is less than 30. Its the reprint of
the Boy Mechanic magazine articles through 1913. Got stuff on
mechanics, magnetics, hydrolics, machining, forging, windmills,
etc....I'm ordering the Boy Mechanic, a coupla books on
windmills, 21 st Century Energy Sourcebook, and some stuff on
howta convert car alternators into linelevel ac generators using
wind engines. See ya at Arrowhead Springs....
Msg #5426 Dated 14:21:29 01-15-91 -> 5436
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
I was reading message number 5388 and you said something about going
to the Ammar lecture on the 25th. The lecture is on the 21st which is
Martin Luther King Day. The luncheon is on the 25th. Hope this clears
you or me up. HAHAHAHA
Msg #5427 Dated 14:26:15 01-15-91 5408 <--> 5433
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
That one took me a minute. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Keep you day job Pete.
Msg #5428 Dated 14:32:53 01-15-91 5393 <--> 5429
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: I MOVE
It's OK, Max (I understand that the name Max Maven was originally used
in the 15th century). How well did those faux magicians work out? I
was aware that there were sporatic attempts, but we have an opportunity
here, perhaps, to create a really top-notch fake.
Msg #5429 Dated 14:35:25 01-15-91 5404 <--> 5430
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I MOVE
Wolfgang Puck is a fake! He was created by Ray Crock as an alternative
to MacDonald's.
Msg #5430 Dated 14:37:02 01-15-91 5405 <--> 5431
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I MOVE
Really?
(For anyone puzzled by this message, from the little message menu that
appears below, you can select B for Back and press the ENTER
key to read the message that this is a reply to).
Msg #5431 Dated 14:38:27 01-15-91 5407 <--> 5445
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I MOVE
There were small droplets of water that appeared to move UP from a bowl
to an inverted bowl at the top. Sort of a levitation of water. BUT,
if you put a glass in the upward moving stream of droplets, in the
normal position (open end of glass at the TOP) then the stream of
droplets would pause and while they appeared to be leaving the empty
glass and moving up to the inverted bowl, the glass would fill with
water. Got it now?
Msg #5432 Dated 14:41:55 01-15-91 5394 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVE MAGNENAT
Re: NECRONOMICON
Thanks Dave! Of course, everything you have written is as close to
correct as anything I've seen. But I still think that the original and
never republished edition is in the library at Miskatonic.
Msg #5433 Dated 14:44:42 01-15-91 5402 <--> 5476
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
Yeah! As a matter of fact, it happened about an hour after I wrote
that - Modem glitched and refused to reset. So not stable yet, but,
then again, nor am I.
Msg #5435 Dated 18:15:55 01-15-91 5401 <--> 5477
From: RICHARD HART
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Darrell,
I'm going to bite the bullet, so to speak, and use one of my
precious days-off, and attend the Magic! luncheon at the Castle.
Please add my name to the list!
Thanks,
_richard
Msg #5436 Dated 18:22:13 01-15-91 5426 <--> 5478
From: RICHARD HART
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
My mistake, comes from reading too many messages at once. You're
right, Ammar on the 21st, Castle hijinks on the 25th.
Msg #5438 Dated 18:37:37 01-15-91 -> 5465
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SYSOP
Re: NONEXISTERS
The previous situations wherein a fake magician has been created, most
often in the context of being a "contributor" to a magazine, have
hardly been sporadic.
Msg #5439 Dated 18:39:29 01-15-91 -> 5443
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKLIST
I've downloaded and perused your list of essential magic books, and
must say I am perplexed by quite a few of the choices. It is still not
clear to me by what criteria these were selected, and toward what
purpose...
Msg #5442 Dated 20:22:37 01-15-91 -> 5446
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: JON CALVERT
Howie called and sed he was flying up to Atlantic City to
have lunch with John Calvert today. Calvert is putting a show
together and will be in AC for several months. May get a chance
to go up later. I wonder if he's on his boat like in his books?
Will find out maybe....
Msg #5443 Dated 20:49:38 01-15-91 5439 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BOOKLIST
Yeah, I perplex myself at times too, but definately invite your help in
paring this list down to something that would be of use to someone
wanting to acquire books proven to be helpful. A couple of them are
nonsensical of course but the bulk of the books named would make by
their inclusion a solid information base. I had hoped for specific
suggestions and recommendations from the more knowledgable of the
users and when those have been forthcoming were included. As this
librarie isn't written in stone I hope to improve and condense it as
time creeps by. Appreciative as always, tabman...
Msg #5444 Dated 21:20:20 01-15-91 5421 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROSEWOOD MAGIC
Tabman... got you FAX, was out all day... just missed the deadline for
the war? Is it gonna be on ESPN or what?
Msg #5445 Dated 21:21:03 01-15-91 5422 <--> 5475
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I MOVE
Same as JUMBO SHRIMP.
Msg #5446 Dated 21:23:19 01-15-91 5442 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JON CALVERT
Quiet, but we will be doing a special special show with Calvert at
Baltimore shhhhhh
Msg #5447 Dated 21:34:25 01-15-91 -> 5451
From: JACK TAVES
To: ALL
Re: MICAHAEL AMMAR
I just got a call from Michael 9:00 pm From texas. he just got out of
the Hospital with a broken bone in his hand. hee;''s ok but!@ !!!!
won't beable to do a workshop-lecture at Cucamonga. he has Canceled
he lecture tour for a month or
his california tour for a month or so we hope him the best. so if you
signed up to attend sorry. but we'll do it latter this year
Msg #5449 Dated 21:59:30 01-15-91 5390 <--> 5455
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CONTRIBUTION
I think that the guy who prints off the messages will see that K.C.
gets a copy of your message about mid-morning Wednesday. Believe he
took delivery of a computer Tuesday afternoon but still has to get
modem and hookup....but it won't be long now til he can join us
in paying ma bell (or whatever LD Service he uses) for the enjoyment
of calling Magic!.
Msg #5450 Dated 22:03:27 01-15-91 5423 <--> 5452
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLYDINI
Really sorry to hear this.... Do you know anything about funeral
arrangements (date, time, place, funeral home, etc.). Unless there
has been a request to make a donation to some organization instead
of flowers, I feel sure that our local Assembly and Ring would like
to send flowers to funeral if we can get the information.
Msg #5451 Dated 22:08:28 01-15-91 5447 <--> 5466
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: JACK TAVES (X)
Re: MICAHAEL AMMAR
I just got back in town from Houston (been in trial in Federal Court
there til 6:15PM Tues night) and I had a message that Mike had fallen
off the roof of his house and broken his arm and he was going to be
in a cast for some time..... I will try to get more information in AM.
Meantime, Jamy Swiss, who is lecturing at monthly SAM meeting Thursday
evening and presenting a "super-session" Friday night, left word that
in additon to Mike breaking his arm (or hand, which ever), his wife
Hanna is in bed with the flu....guess it just hasn't been Mike's
day....on top of that sounds like we are going to war... you gotta
wonder "What next?"
Msg #5452 Dated 23:27:38 01-15-91 5450 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: SLYDINI
Sorry no details. I got the call from Joe Stevens. Maybe you could
check with him, or in NY I would think Tony Spina might know. Not sure
if spelling right but his real name is: Quentino Marruchi.
Msg #5454 Dated 0:18:15 01-16-91 -> 5464
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SLYDINI
Just sittin' here after a little time to reflect a bit on
Slydini.
He used to make trips to the Left Coast and when I lived in
the S.F. Bay area he would call me to help set up group and
private lessons. This was great fun, as Tony would - to repay me
for my effort - give me FREE special lessons, one on one.
I really enjoyed this, as there was no one better at the
kind of things Slydini created. His coin work at the table, the
paper balls over the head, knotted silks, the Helicopter Card,
some false cuts, not to mention lapping, misdirection etc. were
priceless lessons.
It was also great to get to New York and visit him in his
apartment. I remember going there one night with Persi Diaconis
and Slydini cooked a terrific Chicken dinner for us. He did some
magic he's never put into print for us.
On another occasion went to the famed "Mama Leone"
restaurant with him and Murray Selwit. When we got there you
would have thought Slydini was a Godfather. The whole place
stopped, all the waiters, managers, etc. knew him. The service
and the food was incredible and WE NEVER SAW A BILL.
Had I lived in the area I probably would have helped him
write a book. He asked me a couple of times to work with him on a
book NOT ABOUT MAGIC, but about his ways of misdirection to use
on someone that pulls a gun on you, tries to mug you, etc. He had
many thoughts and ideas, but didn't know who might help to put
it down in book form.
Not sure of the spelling, but Slydini's real name: Quentino
Marruchi. I'm sure others will have more biographic details, such
as birthplace, awards, places he worked, and other facts... but I
can only say that it was a real thrill to have know him and had
the opportunity to share time with him not as a magician, but as
a person. He was very perceptive and a great study of human
nature.
Slydini truly represented a totally unique and original
personna, with magic done like no one else.
People like Slydini, Al Flosso, Francis Carlyle, that are
now gone should not be forgotten. They were the links to the past
in magic, and those links are sadly diminishing rapidly.
Msg #5455 Dated 0:29:01 01-16-91 5449 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: CONTRIBUTION
Thanks. Please give my regards to both K.C. and the guy who prints off
the messages.
Msg #5461 Dated 0:57:06 01-16-91 5425 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO' BOOKS
Wow! What a resource! Thanks Tabman!
Msg #5464 Dated 1:02:37 01-16-91 5454 <--> 5468
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLYDINI
Birth name was Quintino Marucci.
Msg #5465 Dated 1:01:00 01-16-91 5438 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NONEXISTERS
Thanks. In the future I will try to confine my remarks to things I
actually know about. I can make some real money that way -- sell off
my keyboards. Will also be able to write a book on "Sleight of Mouth."
Msg #5466 Dated 1:09:59 01-16-91 5451 <--> 5484
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: MICAHAEL AMMAR
Yetch! Well, if anyone is in touch with Michael (Ammar), please give
him our thoughts and good wishes. AND remind him that if he is going
to be laid up for a while, this is an EXCELLENT time to get that modem
hooked up and to stay in touch with magic via MAGIC!
Msg #5468 Dated 1:16:43 01-16-91 5454 <--> 5481
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SLYDINI
Slydini will be missed.
Msg #5470 Dated 1:13:16 01-16-91 4833 <--> 5483
From: MARK LODGE
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: TOPPIT
Rick
Unfortunately I do not know anything about Michaels book. The concept
ditching into a topit requires several parameters be met: First, does
it catch an/the object -- if not adjust it up - down - forward etc as
needed. Second, is it visable, does it hang down ? can it be seen from
the front ? These parameters are more customization points you must
answer. It sounds like you need to move the topit forward, however, it
also depends on how large your stomach sticks out and how good your aim
is. I usually have my Topit Tux when I work at the castle. Stop me and
I will be happy to show you what little I know. Good luck.
Mark
Msg #5471 Dated 1:24:01 01-16-91 4887 <--> 5504
From: MARK LODGE
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: RING 21 MEETING
Unfortunately, I will be out of town on Feb. 7th. I think I may be able
to attend in march. Do you know of a Ring in San Luis Obispo that meets
the first week in March (Mar 3 - 8) ?
Thanks
Mark
Msg #5474 Dated 1:35:19 01-16-91 -> 5505
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: LUNCH AT THE CASTLE
Darrell,
I want to add my name to the Castle Lunch List. I just need to find a
way to weasel out of being to work on time... Any suggestions? See
you there. BTW What time and is this standard castle dress code? Also
do I need my name on a list(not a member YET)
Thanks
Msg #5475 Dated 3:18:24 01-16-91 5431 <--> 5508
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: I MOVE
Someone had a water-going-up device around the Castle about ten years
ago, claimed it as new; turns out it is described in SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY IN THE ARTS by Stewart Kranz.
Msg #5476 Dated 7:25:33 01-16-91 5433 <--> 5509
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: NEW PHONE LINES
I TOLD YA SO!! I TOLD YA SO!! I think not being normal is a
prerequisite for being a Magician!!
Msg #5477 Dated 7:28:38 01-16-91 5435 <--> 5510
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Consider yourself ADDED!! Looking forward to seeing all you modem
magicians face to face.
Msg #5478 Dated 7:30:02 01-16-91 5436 <-
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: AMMAR LECTURE
I wasn't sure if it was you or me that was confused so I was just
checking.
Msg #5481 Dated 8:08:07 01-16-91 5464 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SLYDINI
Thnx Max... did you read the Anneman piece in latest Linking Ring? Not
sure if I like the writer's style... but his credits are almost as long
as the article!!!!
Msg #5483 Dated 8:14:38 01-16-91 5470 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARK LODGE
Re: TOPPIT
Another imortant thing with the topit is to have COMPLETE NATURALNESS
to the "ditch" you need to really work on body language.
Msg #5484 Dated 8:35:27 01-16-91 5466 <--> 5514
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MICAHAEL AMMAR
Talked with Michael this morning. Seems that he broke a small bone in
his left wrist. He may have to be in a small cast for some time, but
otherwise he is ok. It was his left wrist (and he is right handed...)
so will not hinder his "throwing" hand in use of topit, etc. He has
some wild story about how this happened. Mike and Hanna live in
northwest Austin, and are somewhat in the flight path of planes landing
at Austin airport. Mike says he thought to carry on with his research
on the card on airplane window, since no one had come up with a real
good way to work the card on window, he was going to see if his card
on ceiling could be improved to be "Card on underside of airplane wing"
and while working on the concept the jet blast from a low flying plane
blew him off balance and he fell off the roof of his house....... Hanna
absolutely refuses to verify this, matter of fact she can't even keep
a straight face while Mike tells it......Mike said to start rumors and
he will then leak word that the real story will be in his next
publication, and the rumors will help sales..... That guy is always
thinking..... He apparently is doing OK since he said he would be at
the Jamy Swiss lecture at the monthly S.A.M. meeting tommorrow night.
Msg #5485 Dated 8:50:50 01-16-91 -> 5515
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: MO' BOOKS
I've found their books and catalogs fascinating. Build a
giant telsa coil, a Wright Flyer; be privy to most of the
experimental science and mechanics from the glory days. I really
believe that the planet is gonna come to a point that if poeple
aren't very wealthy, that they'll have to depend on themselves
and their friends much more in the forseeable future. The recent
Cray simulation of global warming projects massive drought across
the USA in the late 90s. Services will deteriorate to the point
of being virtually nonexistent. Sure, the entertainment biz will
flourish; but it will be more "home" centered via recordings and
downloads from satellites.
What does this have to do with MAGIC!? Everything, cause
I plan to be around via repeater for a long time. Especially as
long distance travel will become increasingly more expensive -
jets fly on kerosene you know - this will become more and more a
meeting ground.
Just discovered something kinda interesting with my copy
machine - Canon PC-11 - it will take a blank faced playing card
(I used blank bike) and print onto the face. This might be
something someone could use. I just dropped a friend a note cuz
he fell off his roof and copied a photo onto a card as a gag and
sent it out to him. Idle minds you know. Ben Harris has a great
copy machine/fax gag in his "Mad Fax" booklet. This is a "new"
field and ripe for exploitation.
Here's a fax idea for you. If you're on CIS arrange to
send a timed fax to your (or someone elses) fax machine at a
prescribed time.....could be simple as a forced card or some
other more original idea..could open the door for a whole new con
though...maybe I should just keep my mouth shut...
Saaaay, whats your fax ## ????
Your friend,
tabman
Msg #5486 Dated 8:50:43 01-16-91 -> 5516
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: QUESTIONS ON SYSTEM
David, just wondering about something. Since the system is multiple-
line, if another caller posts a message while you are on the system,
say after you have read all the messages and you are writing a message
yourself, does the counter on last message read know that you have not
seen the messge that was posted by someone else while you are composing
the message you leave? (In short, could you miss any of the messages
in this situation?). Also, is there a command to skip the sign on
message... after 60+ calls I know the name of the board and the notice
about privacy of messages.... Not complaining, the time you spend in
keeping this system going and all of the effort and $$$ involved are
really appreciated.
Msg #5487 Dated 10:02:16 01-16-91 -> 5489
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: KEN KLOSTERMAN
I placed a notice re Ken's collection after first signing on. I don't
know if this was the first that you saw, but I am glad you got the
article. I met Ken when he was in Phx several years ago at the
"Summit" twix the IBM and the SAM. He offered to show me his
collection when I was in Ohio. Unfortunately, our schedules crossed
and I am now even more distressed that I missed the tour. Maybe next
time.
Msg #5488 Dated 10:07:29 01-16-91 -> 5518
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: 5000
Congrats on passing the 5000 mark. By the looks of the numbers you
will quickly be celebrating your 10,000 in the near future.
Msg #5489 Dated 10:08:23 01-16-91 5487 <--> 5498
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PAT HOLCOMBE (X)
Re: KEN KLOSTERMAN
Twas you....wanted to say thanks personally cause I probably wouldn't
of seen it if you hadn't mentioned....we get magazine, but it isn't in
the "must read" stack like Genii, MUM, Popular Mechanics,
Thaumaturgist, Amusement Biz, CMJ...whatever....thanks for mentioning
it again......tabman
Msg #5490 Dated 10:09:10 01-16-91 -> 5499
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: ALL
Re: DEL RAY
Just heard that Del Ray is slated to be at the convention to be held in
Phx in March. I have never seen him but from the excitement generated
he must have something special.
Msg #5491 Dated 10:12:51 01-16-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: SUSPENSION
Immediately after entering your password hit Control K together and
that will suspend the intro stuff.........works for me, unless theres
a slicker whistle....
Msg #5492 Dated 10:18:10 01-16-91 -> 5519
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: JANUARY GENII
Is the jan Genii on the streets on the westcoast yet???
Msg #5493 Dated 10:49:28 01-16-91 -> 5520
From: MARVIN STERN
To: Y
Re: BICYCLE CARDS
For those of you who missed the Thrifty sale of Bicycle cards, Sav-On
now has a sale. The price is slightly higher, $1.39 per deck, but
still a savings over the regular price.
Msg #5494 Dated 10:51:48 01-16-91 -> 5521
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: JAN. GENII
I see that MAGIC got good space in this issue. Congradulations. It
should get some more new members. In same issue, page 197, my license
plate and I got small mention. My 4 kids gave the plate to me for
Father's Day. Some-day I hope to be as important as you, so that I can
get more press.
Msg #5495 Dated 11:03:08 01-16-91
From: RICK RUHL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NASHVILLE '92
Sounds good to moi, let me know what I can do from the Atlanta end.
Rikker
Msg #5496 Dated 10:59:30 01-16-91 -> 5500
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPS
Just got back on-line a few days ago and was amazed to see that
hundreds of messages had flown by in just a few weeks! It's taken a few
days to wade through the printouts. Appreciate your putting the Kaps
letters into circulation. It's hard to believe it's now been 20 years
since you brought Fred into Morcom's House of Novelties where I was
working behind the counter. You and he were putting together that
great set of lecture notes then. What a treat it was to have Fred DO
the stuff right there in the magic shop -- days before the lecture.
The evening show for that little one-day convention at Bjornson Hall
must have been one of the best convention shows ever. My father --
who was mildly interested in magic as a kid -- STILL talks about Kaps'
performance that night. He's never forgotten it.
I have some pretty warm memories of him. Remember that afternoon in
Hawaii when the few of us went up to Sawa's room? Sawa opened up that
big suitcase and did trick after trick with his sets of gaffed ropes.
Incredible stuff. Kaps was a knocked out as anyone and as
enthusiastic as a kid with a new toy. There was a memorable afternoon
at one of the major conventions in 1974 (Boston or Philly -- I can't
remember which -- I worked several dozen conventions that year) where
Fred showed up at the booth I was working, plopped himself down behind
it and spent the whole afternoon just chatting. Aside from the fun, he
was a real traffic stopper! Another great time was a night you brought
him down to the Magic Cellar and he did the Copper/Silver Transposition
with the Chinese coins ending. Some pretty damned good magicians there
and he DESTROYED them. The real handling never did get in print,
right? You mention it only obliquely, but the OTHER version of the
"Smoke Trick" -- the close-up version with the spoon -- is one of the
most MAGICAL things I've ever seen. I think if it had been released it
would have been one of the most butchered effects ever -- you really
needed Kaps' manipulative ability to do it.
An interesting point on another thing you mentioned in passing: the
"Card Sword" that Kaps had. There were 3 of them made out of antique
swords by a French magic enthusiast (and multi-millionare) Jean
Ducatillion and one was given to Fred. Ducatillion was going to make
one for Gaetan Bloom but never could acquire another ungaffed sword.
A few years ago Gaetan got a package from Ducatillion -- it was a
sword, but it was Kaps' sword. Ducatillion had bought it back from
Nellie Kaps to give to Bloom. Don't know where the other two swords
are but that Kaps Sword is a wonderful piece of mechanics.
(Incidentally, this is the same Ducatillion who made a few of the
multi-setting Stull Watches in wristwatch form for Himber back in the
early 1960s.)
I have a "Kaps Wallet". Not what Ken Brooke marketed, but something
unique that showed up as a surprise gift from Hans Trixer of Zimbabwe
a few years ago. Fred had a wallet made like his brochure with
"London", "Zurich", "Paris" etc. inlaid into the leather. Around 1977
he showed it to Hans' wife Chelly. When she admired it, he autographed
it and gave it to her on the spot. After Chelly died Hans thought I
might like it. As you know, Hans was close with Fred and has a lot of
his material, along with permission to perform it. He was the one
behind getting the permission for me to publish Kaps' routine with the
Okito Box in "Arcane" some years back. Wonder if any of the other
material will ever be released and what is happening with Dick
Koornwinder's progress on the Kaps book proposed some years ago?
Perhaps our friends from Holland will let us know.
Msg #5497 Dated 12:27:03 01-16-91 -> 5501
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: STACK O' QUARTERS
Bobo credits Nate Leipzig with the effect "The Stack of
Quarters" in his 2nd ed of Modern Coin Magic. I seek information
on earlier references to this effect. Would also like to know who
first added the pinned feature if known.
Msg #5498 Dated 13:05:43 01-16-91 5487 <--> 5517
From: PETE BIRO
To: PAT HOLCOMBE (X)
Re: KEN KLOSTERMAN
Went to Library yestiddy and saw the Klosterman piece. Great snaps,
great stuff. Much like mine, but mine all look like stacked cardboard
boxes.
Msg #5499 Dated 13:06:50 01-16-91 5490 <--> 5544
From: PETE BIRO
To: PAT HOLCOMBE (X)
Re: DEL RAY
Glad to hear Del Ray working again... Understand he had heart attack
some time back. He is one of the strongest close up ACTS in history. Do
yoiu have phone nr. or address for him? Would like to reach him.
ks for the information. The comedy routine with the padlock on the
ribbon is my creation, published some years back in _Abra_, and I
didn't know Paul had used it. Nice to know.
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