MAGIC! - 13
The following was compiled from the magician's message section of
MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! was an electronic communications system for
magicians. Access was free, except for normal telephone company
charges. New registrants were required to leave a comment with
their name, address, phone number and a brief resume of their magic
background to be considered for membership. The material herein
should be treated as confidentially as other magic information.
Copyright 1991, 1997 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved.
Msg #6000 Dated 23:16:32 01-25-91 -> 6001
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC/WAR
Sounds like a good idea. Actually, I think all the guys over in Saudi
Arabia could use a good deck of cards. --Scott
Msg #6001 Dated 23:18:25 01-25-91 -> 6048
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: MAGIC/WAR
Not sure, all the info I have says simply "APO pou could
try it both ways... --Scott
Msg #6002 Dated 23:20:21 01-25-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: SNOW
PANIC!
Msg #6003 Dated 23:14:51 01-25-91 -> 6025
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FINDING A MSG
If you know something that can be unique about the header -- the part
of the message that has the message number, the "from," the "to," and
the "Re" in it, then you can find ANY active message on MAGIC! Here's
how...
>From the Main Menu...
o Type R? (that's the letter R followed by a question mark).
o Press the ENTER key.
o Enter the number of the earliest message you want to begin
searching at.
EXAMPLE: 5500
o Press the ENTER key.
o Enter the SECTION NUMBER if you are prompted to do so.
EXAMPLE: 13 (all MAGIC! messages are in section 13, some
private messages are in section 0).
o Press the ENTER key.
o Enter the name or term you wish to search for.
EXAMPLE: KAPS
o Press the ENTER key.
The system will now search for and present all available messages in
which the word KAPS appears somewhere in the header!
Note 1: You can do it by using the semi-colon (as you would in R;*)
but with all the required information I find it easier to use the
prompts.
Note 2: The same approach will work with S? to Scan instead of
Read, and Q? to Quickscan instead of Read, but I find that if you
are looking for something you will generally want to read rather than
scan.
Hope that helps.
Msg #6004 Dated 23:22:47 01-25-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: ATLANTA SNOW
Yep, I was in broadcasting, and yep, I left it for just the reasons you
mentioned. I saw too many corpses wandering around. It was fun, but
it did too many strange things to people's heads.
I've had a very strange background - done a lot of things - let's see,
I've sold soap, done radio and television, taught mentally retarded
junior high school kids, taught at a couple of Universities, run a
couple of companies, er, I forget all the stuff (a big advantage of
encroaching senility that is often overlooked, probably because those
of us who can't remember stuff don't remember what it was we forgot).
Msg #6005 Dated 23:33:25 01-25-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCH
It was great to see you again. I enjoyed MAGIC!'s first lunch. I
think it was one of the first chances that those who are into both
magic and computers were able to get together, so the conversation was
a bit mixed. (Hmmmm - "Bit" is quite a multiple entendre in that
context).
Msg #6006 Dated 23:36:32 01-25-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DOWNLOADING
Are you asking a computer question, Marvin? Gee, you coulda done that
at the luncheon.
Since you are reading the messages "off-line" (not live on MAGIC!), how
you can answer depends on the word processor you are using. Some, like
WordStar and WordPerfect will allow you to open a second window on your
screen and to type your reply while looking at the message. You can
then store the message with a name - I usually give mine a name that
relates to the person I'm replying to - if I was replying to your
message off-line, for example, I might name the reply MARV0125, the
first four letters of your name and the date.
If you can't open a second window to work on a reply, you can print off
the messages you want to reply to and then exit from the messages file,
and construct a reply to each message, saving each as a file.
Lastly, you can note the numbers of the messages you want to reply to,
go back onto MAGIC! and read and reply to each of those individually.
The above will depend on the wordprocessor you use and the style of how
you like to do things.
TABMAN may also have some suggestions on how to do this.
Lastly, if you have the messages written into files like types one and
two above, you make sure they are in ASCII format (Joe can help you
with this), then you sign back onto MAGIC!, read the specific messages
you want to reply to and send ("upload") your replies.
That's the outline - it is really simpler to do than to explain. If
you remind me of the specific communications program and specific
wordprocessor that you use, I'll be glad to help with specific
instructions.
Msg #6008 Dated 23:53:42 01-25-91 -> 6015
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: MAGIC! LUNCHEON REVIEW
Thanks for putting the luncheon together, Darrell. I too think it was
a great success. Many of us now have a person to put with a name.
A couple of things to add - T.A. Waters was also there. I hope that
no-one thinks I'm running around hawking Final Words - I only got a few
'cause I got a good deal on 'em and figured I would pass it on to
interested MAGIC! members with the proceedes to go to MAGIC!
Will be looking into that great idea of a colored backplate for the
Magic Castle lapel pin as a way of identifying MAGIC! members - more
subtle than the buttons for the L.A./Castle folk.
I can hardly wait for next year's MAGIC! luncheon. 'Til then, with a
break for the MAGIC! Anniversary meeting at Desert Magic and the
MAGIC! gathering at IBM, I'll be right here watching the lights blink
on the modems.
Msg #6015 Dated 0:34:17 01-26-91 6008 <--> 6026
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: MAGIC! LUNCHEON REVIEW
One more note - Greg McKay, listed as a visitor, is a member of MAGIC!,
just one of the quieter ones!
Msg #6016 Dated 1:17:15 01-26-91 -> 6036
From: T A WATERS
To: JEFF BUSBY
Re: ANNEMANN'S POSTCARD
Whether using an honorary doctorate in front of one's name is in poor
taste is a matter of opinion; while you may disagree with Booth's use
of it, the fact is that he has a right to it, and thus your use of the
quotes is perhaps questionable. I can understand why you might have
commercial reasons to wish to denigrate Booth, but I am not sure a
public computer BBS is the place for it.
Msg #6017 Dated 1:30:32 01-26-91
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: ASCENSION TRANSPOSITION
During my relatively brief stint doing restaurant walk-around years ago
I did not perform any mentalism. There was one occasion, probably about
twelve years ago, when I was hired for a large party held at a
restaurant. By that time I was performing only mentalism, so for that
afternoon I did mentalism table-hopping. Hardly my standard engagement;
I did it primarily as a favor.
Msg #6018 Dated 1:33:51 01-26-91 -> 6032
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: TELEVISION
I hope some of you had the chance to see the Michael Moschen special
which aired on PBS tonight (1/25). Some sequences of real magic.
Msg #6019 Dated 9:48:00 01-26-91 -> 6117
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: NO THREAD
I appologize for the lengthy delay but when it getz cold
my computer cubby gets that way too. No heat in this end of the
mansion, plus a coupla of daze ago when I went into the kitchen
a 3 inch hot water feed for the boiler had burst from the cold
and it was raining in there...a portion of the inch thick plaster
ceiling collapsed yesterday. I hope whoever buys this place is
rich.
Have you moved yet? Be sure I get new me addres please.
And also thanks for participating in the bidding for the Okito
book. Its on its way to Ken now and he should receive it monday.
I caught Waynes World last week. Best ever. Did you see
the juggler on PBS lst night. Howie called me and made me stop
what I was doing and turn it on. Caught the last ten minits. I
hope somebody got a video of it. Flat freaked me out. What art
and movement. Timeless.
Msg #6020 Dated 9:49:14 01-26-91 -> 6120
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FUTURE AUCTIONS
A few days ago I received a small piece of magic history
in the mail. The sender, who shall remain anonymous for the time
being, requested it be placed on the MAGIC! auction block to help
the great computer network fiscally. I was thinking about keeping
it and disappearing with the prize, but I'd miss everybody sooo
here it is...
I'll not reveal exactly what it is yet, but it will
suffice to say that this instrument carries the signature of Joe
Berg famous Chicago magic dealer and the signature of my fave,
Theo. Bamberg. It is fifty years old and quite special.
What I've decided to do is make a handsome mahogany frame
in the tabman shop in the style of a Thayer handkerchief frame
and mat it with Okito's favorite colours. It will be quite
beautiful and should make anyone with an awareness and sense of
magic history very happy.
I'll post the first notice soon as its ready to go..
tabman
Msg #6022 Dated 10:02:15 01-26-91 -> 6132
From: RICK RUHL
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: THREAD
Arghhhhh! I go to the fabic store and it Metters MetroFLOCK, not
metrolock. Unless it was a misspelling the stuff I saw was only
availabe in white. I'll keep looking now that I am CLOSE!
Rikker
Msg #6023 Dated 13:16:43 01-26-91 -> 6103
From: T A WATERS
To: ALL
Re: JOHN BOOTH
Indeed, writing without checking facts seems to be endemic to a LOT of
magic writers. It turns out that the New England School Of Law (as it
is now known) DOES NOT give out honorary degrees for speaking
engagements or honorariums. In Booth's case the doctorate was awarded
by the President of the University for Booth's accomplishments as a
writer -- and to give a level on this, the only other honorary
doctorate that year was awarded to the head of the Massachusetts
Supreme Court, and the next one to the U.S. Secretary of State.
I hope that Busby and Whaley's research on the person they seem to
think was Erdnase is somewhat more complete than their research on John
Booth.
Msg #6025 Dated 17:32:22 01-26-91 6003 <--> 6030
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FINDING A MSG
Thanks for the info David. That will make it much easier to find
messages by using the "R?" command. The other tips you gave about
going backwards and forwards on a thread are also helpful. Is all of
this info contained in a file already?
Msg #6026 Dated 17:45:18 01-26-91 -> 6047
From: STAN LAKE
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: MAGIC! LUNCHEON REVIEW
I'm sorry I did not get a chance to say thanks for all of the work you
did in arranging the luncheon. I went down to the closeup room as I
thought everyone else was also to catch Steve Valentines last show. It
was a great show but I guess most of our Magic! members had other
places to be. After all it was a work day for most of us. Anyway,
thanks again and I'll look forward to the next one!
Msg #6027 Dated 18:35:32 01-26-91
From: RL WILSON
To: CD PIERCE
Re: HELLO
We met at Michael Ammar's lecture last Nov. in Groton, CT. Please get
in touch. Dick Wilson.
Msg #6029 Dated 18:58:57 01-26-91 -> 6037
From: EMORY KIMBROUGH
To: ALL
Re: MAGI IN GULF
The Montgomery, Alabama, IBM ring has two members in Saudi Arabia with
Operation Desert Storm. Montgomery is near Fort Rucker, the home of
Army
helicopter aviation. Our two friends in Saudi Arabia, Jim Booth and Bob
Klase, are both helicopter pilots.
.
I would like to collect some greetings and messages of encouragement
from
magicians on-line to send to these two magician-pilots. Please post
your message here on the board, and I'll collect and send them. I'm
sure
Bob and Jim will appreciate it.
.
I've also learned that the commanding general in Saudi Arabia, Gen.
Norman
Schwartzkopf, is an avid magician and former IBM member.
Msg #6030 Dated 19:51:31 01-26-91 6025 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FINDING A MSG
No, some of the info on using MAGIC! is not yet in a file. There is a
basic, but older, file - PASSPORT.TXT - that has some of the info, but
not all. Hope to update it in the near future.
Msg #6032 Dated 23:18:32 01-26-91 6018 <--> 6038
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Yes indeed! It was fascinating.
Msg #6034 Dated 23:40:00 01-26-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: BOOKPLA*E
Tabby sent a sample magician's bookplate (from none other than Sid
Lorraine!). It has been scanned and is available as a picture file.
The file name is BOOKPLAT.PCX and for those who use zip, there is
a zipped version (compressed about 50%, saving transfer time) as
BOOKPLAT.ZIP
Both are in the MAGIC! files area.
Msg #6036 Dated 23:41:29 01-26-91 6016 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ANNEMANN'S POSTCARD
...and the fact remains that Booth knew Anneman personally, Anneman has
written about Booth, and I for one give weight to PRIMARY sources such
as Dr. Booth. I really don't recall ever having read any Anneman
references to or mentions of Busby in THE JINX. Mr. Busby is certainly
entitled to his historic perspective regarding Anneman and anyone else
for that matter. His opinions are of interest here but opinions when
combined with personal experience, (as is the case with Dr. Booth and
Anneman), are of even greater merit.
Msg #6037 Dated 23:47:46 01-26-91 6029 <--> 6066
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EMORY KIMBROUGH (X)
Re: MAGI IN GULF
To Jim Booth and Bob Klase -
Greetings from MAGIC! - the electronic communications system for
magicians. The 500 plus members of MAGIC! want you to know that our
thoughts are with you as you help in this very difficult, very
important mission. Do your magic with those helicopters!
- David Lichtman (Sysop)
Msg #6038 Dated 23:49:55 01-26-91 6018 <--> 6101
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Gee, Max...nothing like a little advance notice!!!
I missed the Moschen special but would certainly like to at least hear
about it. If someone had the foresight to tape it, I'd like to see it.
How about a capsule review, Max?
Msg #6039 Dated 0:06:44 01-27-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: CBS
Rick, I don't get previews, or have time right now to catch TV, but if
the Beatles with Fred Kaps does air, Could You make a copy for me? Will
swap you something from my collection.
Msg #6043 Dated 5:50:27 01-27-91 -> 6052
From: ROBERT CANSLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: IS THERE NEVER ANYONE FRO
Yes, I usually get out to the west coast once or twice a year, at
the Convention Center across from Disney Land, There is a large
Computer trade show there; and I have been hired the last several
years to perform there, I will let you know when, and get an invitation
for you, or at least several so we can get together
afterwards.
hat should read I will get several invitations so we can get a
group together and meet afterwards, I know of a great place to
eat in Marina Del Ray.
Just a note, if any of you follow the Tonight Show (Johnny Carson)
you might have noticed Alison Cansler as a guest, Yes I am proud
that was my daughter, She was a winner of an invention convention
here on the East Coast and was chosen as a Guest on the tonight
show, She did get to do a couple of tricks though for the
backstage crew, She is 13, and has been doing magic since she was
seven, (at least that is when I started sawing her in half, she
is now doing birthday parties, when not helping me as an assistant.
and also, she is a member of S.Y.M., any way I get long
winded sometimes, Have a good week,
Regards
Bob c
Msg #6044 Dated 6:32:54 01-27-91
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OF COURSE
Be glad to make a dub for you. I'm going to keep an eye out for the
CBS closed circut feed. Maybe I can get it earlier.
If not, I'll get it on the downlink to the stations.
Rikker
Msg #6045 Dated 7:54:54 01-27-91
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC LUNCH
Thanks for the good words and Thank You for coming. I agree, I think
the Luncheon went very well and can't wait till the next one.
Msg #6046 Dated 7:56:56 01-27-91
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCH
Boy is this chili GREAT!!!! You missed a good time Tabman!!
Msg #6047 Dated 7:58:08 01-27-91 -> 6050
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC! LUNCHEON REVIEW
Yes lets not forget T.A. Waters. Glad you could make it to!!
Msg #6048 Dated 7:59:22 01-27-91 6001 <-
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: SCOTT CRAM
Re: MAGIC/WAR
I was in Germany and Iceland with the Air Force and our address was APO
or FPO NY for overseas military personel. But there is also APO or FPO
San Francisco for overseas military personnel so it does make a
difference if you ever want the person to get the mail.
Msg #6049 Dated 7:57:44 01-27-91
From: KEVIN MEADOR
To: ALL
Re: LOOKINF FOR....
Does anyone know where I could possibly find a nice(good condition)
Zig-Zig or Geometric, I need a new illusion and I neeed something
that's angle proof. I live on the east coast but do not mind paying
shipping. Thanks! I you know of any just drop me a line here and I
will get back in touch.
By the Way, anyone going to Brad Reader's Convention in Raleigh, NC on
Feb. 3???
Msg #6050 Dated 8:04:07 01-27-91 6008 <--> 6051
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! LUNCHEON REVIEW
Enjoyed seeing you again and I think you needed a break from watching
the modem lights blink and the microwave.
Msg #6051 Dated 8:06:18 01-27-91 6015 <--> 6053
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! LUNCHEON REVIEW
Yes I know he is a member, all I meant by drop-in vistor is that he was
not on my reservation list so he was a drop-in which I had planned for
when I set up the Luncheon with the Castle.
Msg #6052 Dated 8:07:15 01-27-91 6043 <--> 6061
From: KEVIN MEADOR
To: ROBERT CANSLER (X)
Re: IS THERE NEVER ANYONE FRO
Robert, I too live here on the east coast (VA), and was wondering where
you lived, and also wanted to know when your daughter will be on Johnny
Carson.. See you later...
Msg #6053 Dated 8:08:52 01-27-91 6026 <-
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC! LUNCHEON REVIEW
It was my pleasure and it was great to finally put the names with some
faces. See ya next time.
Msg #6054 Dated 8:32:44 01-27-91 -> 6114
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGAZINES
We have the following available: all 3 issues of Pallbearers Review
and 40 issues of Hugard's Magic Monthly. I've put them on the side for
you, let me know if you want them. Both Hugards and Pallbearers are
great magazines. I really enjoy reading them. Have a complete set of
Hugards and an almost complete set of Pallbearers (those darn Folios,
will I ever find all of them).
It is cool down Houston - I had to wear a long sleeve shirt today!
Just kidding, it has been down in the 30's almost every night.
The Burger books are neat. I like things that make me think. Just
wish I did more of it! Actually, my problem is that I quit thinking
too soon. As for the philosophy, I like that kind of stuff. It makes
great beer talk. My favorite lately, it's a take off on an old
(centuries old) paradox, is "Can God write a check so big even He can't
cash it?"
Charlie
Msg #6057 Dated 8:35:14 01-27-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: MICHAEL OVERLY (X)
Re: IBIDEM
You asked about Ibidem. It is one of my favorite magazines. They
are a lot of fun to read and kind of neat just to look at. Pat Lyons,
the editor's wife, besides being a very nice person, is a commercial
artist and did some really great artwork for the covers. The magazines
are very hard to come by and go for a nice price. I've been fortunate
enough to collect all but issue 11 (and would give my right arm for
it). Some of my issues aren't in the best shape as they are hole
punched and I would like to replace them. When I do this and get issue
11, the file will be one of the prizes of my library.
A couple of other things. David Ben, in Canada, has the best set I
have ever seen. His set is practically mint and includes a couple of
items that weren't sent out to everyone. Jeff Busby, here on MAGIC!,
was (is) the dealer for the last issue. You might check with him on
that issue.
Hope this helps.
Charlie
Msg #6061 Dated 10:38:20 01-27-91 6043 <--> 6065
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ROBERT CANSLER (X)
Re: IS THERE NEVER ANYONE FRO
Robert,
I saw a Johnny Carson recently that had several students
with their inventions. Trying to remember the girls and what the
inv. were. Which was she...?
BTW we're kinda neighbors right now. We're in Charlotte
Hall, Maryland and will be probably through the spring...
tabman
Msg #6062 Dated 10:38:58 01-27-91 -> 6068
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MODEM COMMANDO
You don't need to re-read a message to reply to it.
Enter "ER" from the main menu command line and the software will ask
you which message you'd like to reply. Quick'n'EZ....
Msg #6064 Dated 11:47:02 01-27-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: MAGIC WORDS
What three words?
Msg #6065 Dated 12:32:51 01-27-91 6043 <--> 6136
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ROBERT CANSLER (X)
Re: IS THERE NEVER ANYONE FRO
Will look forward to seeing you perform at a computer convention.
Sounds like a nearly perfect place for a couple of MAGIC! members to
meet.
Congratulate your daughter for us! Winning an invention convention and
appearing on the Tonite Show is really something for a 13 year old!
Msg #6066 Dated 12:43:09 01-27-91 6029 <--> 6069
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: EMORY KIMBROUGH (X)
Re: MAGI IN GULF
We, at Inside Magic, have started with the Feb. issue to run
names of magi in the Gulf. The only name I had for this issue
was Trent (don't have my notes in front of me - so don't
have last name). The idea is that our readers can drop them a
note. If you'd like to send us the addresses of those from
your area, please do so. We'll get them in our March issue.
Msg #6068 Dated 12:50:43 01-27-91 6062 <--> 6115
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MODEM COMMANDO
Good Grief! I didn't even know that, Tabman! ER to reply to a
message! Wow!
Msg #6069 Dated 12:52:30 01-27-91 6066 <--> 6072
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: MAGI IN GULF
Patrice - perhaps we can work together on this one? Pool our info on
magi in the Gulf and run it in both Inside Magic and on MAGIC!? That
way we can draw info in common from both sources and get the list out
to as many as possible. Let me know if that is OK with Stan.
Msg #6071 Dated 13:37:08 01-27-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAY HEY
Wanted to say hey cuz I hadn't talked to you ina few and see if you
are still alive....tabman
Msg #6072 Dated 16:04:35 01-27-91 6069 <--> 6097
From: KEVIN MEADOR
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGI IN GULF
What is "Inside Magic"? It sounds like a magazine am I right? Whould
like to have some more information on the "Inside Magic"
Msg #6073 Dated 16:21:40 01-27-91
From: RICK RUHL
To: TABBY ET ALL
Re: LEVATATION
Well, I began working on my levatation today. OUCH! Drlling holes in
Pipe is HARD!
I have to get parts of it welded and then the board needs some
decoraction to it, but by next weekend, I shoul;d have a full flegded
leveation. Now, if I could find a hoop, wonder if a hula-hoop would
work.
Rikker
Msg #6075 Dated 18:54:39 01-27-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: *
The * next to the # does mean "private"....tc
Msg #6076 Dated 19:34:10 01-27-91 4586 <--> 6109
From: DAVID SACKS
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: GREETINGS
thanks Darrell....by the time I read you mail I had already rec'd some
info re the Day-of-Magic. If its as good as last year's it'll be
great.
I heard that the M. Ammar lecture/workshop was cancelled. hat was the
reason.
Talk to you later.
David
Msg #6079 Dated 19:44:09 01-27-91 -> 6100
From: DAVID SACKS
To: ALL
Re: DEATH OF A SHIGEO TAKAGI
I am sorry to report that Shigeo Takagi died approx. 10 days ago.
The news came from Arnold Furst, via the Magic Castle.
I believe that more details will be available from the next issue of
the Genii.
Msg #6080 Dated 19:47:07 01-27-91 -> 6081
From: DAVID SACKS
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC BOOKS
hould anyone be interested, INTRODUCTION TO COIN MAGIC by Shigeo
Futagawa, is now available in a new printing. As of Feb. 1, 1991 the
book will cost $12.00. I can, however, get this book for $9.00 plus
1.00 P&H. Should you be interested leave me a message.
If anyone is interested in any other books (NEW ONES) please let me
know for they too may be available thru my sources. Again, the books
will be less than retail prices.
David
Msg #6081 Dated 20:15:00 01-27-91 6080 <--> 6186
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID SACKS (X)
Re: MAGIC BOOKS
Do you have a list of books available or should we just ask about
certain ones and see if you can obtain them?
Msg #6082 Dated 20:16:48 01-27-91 -> 6088
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: KIDS SHOW
I'm still trying to recover from a kiddie show I did this afternoon.
I think the superbowl looked easy compared to what they put me through!
I have a lot more sympathy and respect for all of those hardy souls who
can actually make a living working with miniature Tyranasauras Rex's.
(After a few beers I'm not so sure about spelling.) I've seen more
polite hecklers in biker bars. I really needed one of those "Final
Word" electronic gizmos with a loudspeaker. A cattle prod might have
come in handy also for those that insisted on climbing up the table
legs and stealing furtive glances behind the scenes. I definitely need
to read up some more on this aspect of performing as there is some room
for improvement of my handling of an unruly mob. Well, at least I
didn't get lynched and left with most of my props intact. Looking back
on this invaluable learning experience I would say that most of the
favorable responses came from magic of my own design and the stock
stuff from the magic store shelves was apparently to commonplace for
them to suffer through. Next time (if there is one) I will concentrate
on more original magic and leave the stock stuff for the 1 to 2 year
old groups who hopefully haven't seen it yet. So here I go, back to
the drawing boards!
Msg #6083 Dated 20:55:42 01-27-91 -> 6099
From: KEN HENSLEY
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: RUSSELYF LEWIS
Sorry, I also saw that "magic" show.. His first (no matter what the
paper article said) and most likely his last.. Never saw someone do a
Zig Zag with the BACK of the apperatus facing the auidence!!
Msg #6088 Dated 22:46:33 01-27-91 6082 <--> 6131
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
Sorry we don't have any of the G rated Final Words, although with the
crowd you were facing it sounds like the X rated version would have
been just fine! I just recently had a group of kids doing much the
same. Hard to control. One suggestion is to get them involved early
- don't perform for them as much as involve them in doing stuff. Once
you've got them interested you can go on to a more routine performance.
I've used stuff like origami to accomplish this. I pass out the sheets
of paper and they have to follow my folding in mime. Gets real quiet
for a while. It won't work with all age groups and all types of kids
though.
How about some others - how do you handle kiddy hecklers?
Msg #6090 Dated 22:52:43 01-27-91 -> 6163
From: FRANK ZAK
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: NAME
Harrison,
That's why I asked. I know I'm a friend, I'm not sure of the rest. I
will be moving at the end of Feb. I'm not sure where. Use the P.O. Box
for any correspondence. I was on a 2 day suspension from work. My boss
is maniacal. It's a long story. It's for the phone not for this forum.
A friend said I can stay with him until I get on my feet. Bartending
school will be starting in Feb. I think I will enter to have a
refresher course. The next couple of months will be brutal. I'm moving
my clothes, computer, some magic and my phone. The rest will go into
storage.
Frank
Msg #6091 Dated 23:19:13 01-27-91 4228 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: SAY HEY
Dante - somehow you missed a message (#4228) from Tabby. If you want
to read it, just type B for Back at the menu that appears at the
end of this message. When you have read it, just press the ENTER key
to return to this message. Thanks!
Msg #6092 Dated 23:20:26 01-27-91 4240 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: DEC GENII
Dante - Same with message # 4240.
Msg #6095 Dated 7:28:44 01-28-91 -> 6118
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD STREET (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY MAGIC
Its warmed up a little bit here in the mid atlantic so
I'm back at my typer for a while and wanted to reply to your
last message re: the music city magic conclave. Rick Ruhl is with
us on this. I don't know anybody in Birmingham to help, but can
probably get help in Louisville (anybody listening)....
As far as date is concerned looks like its pretty open in
January. Lets all do some asking around about a date close to new
years and see how people feel about it. The reason I put the
starting time for the first lecture late was to give magicians
coming in from Atlanta time to drive in and get settled.
There is a fair possibility I'll be driving down to music
city sometime in the next few weeks to look at a farm and see
some associates so make sure I've got your phone ## so we can get
together and go look at a couple of hotels with MCCM in mind.
As far as lecturers are concerned, there are a few I
personally want to see. To me, most impt is what the potential
attendees want to see. Don't hold us to it, but some I've thought
about are Michael Ammar, Max Maven, Ray Mertz, Eugene Burger, Ben
Harris (only if he's already in USA), Lou Gallo, David Roth.....
I'd imagine a good bar magician could easily make a
couple of hun a night (especially with tips). Ray Mertz is one of
these. He lives in Buffalo, also Harrison Carroll who isn't a bar
magi per se, but I've seen him work behind the bar to excellent
result.....then of course there is Doc Eason (who does a great
lecture also).....tabman.
Msg #6096 Dated 8:14:55 01-28-91 -> 6125
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SCHWARZKOOF
Wayne, thanks! We happened to catch the newspaper piece in time
to make note of it in the Feb. issue. Magi sure seem to pop
up everywhere!
Msg #6097 Dated 8:16:32 01-28-91 6069 <--> 6104
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGI IN GULF
David, I don't think that would be any problem. At this point
the only magi we had in the Feb. issue were those I pulled
from here - Stormin Norman and Trent Walton. I hope we get
some response, though, from the Feb. issue and I`ll be happy
to pass those along here.
Msg #6099 Dated 8:20:35 01-28-91 6083 <-
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: KEN HENSLEY
Re: RUSSELYF LEWIS
Ken, I noticed that, too. I'm no expert, but felt it wasn't the
best way to do it!
I have to kind of feel sorry for that guy (a poor man's Copperfield?)
Did Devino perform when you saw the show? He said he was
added some illusions. I'm curious as to what he
did.
sg #6100 Dated 8:28:33 01-28-91 6079 <--> 6188
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: DAVID SACKS (X)
Re: DEATH OF A SHIGEO TAKAGI
David, Max Maven released info on Takagi, as well. As I write,
Stan is putting together something for the Feb. issue of Inside
Magic. So you can take a look there, as well. Unfortunately
he passed away of a heart attack. He was really a relatively
young man - 50s or 60s I believe.
Msg #6101 Dated 8:42:58 01-28-91 6018 <--> 6102
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Max, it was entrancing. I know I could go back to my IM back
issues. But didn't Micheal win the same "big money" award
that James Randi won?
How's the show going?
Msg #6102 Dated 8:44:44 01-28-91 6038 <--> 6116
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Wayne, you probably won't read this in time, but just in case...
According to my TV Guide, it will re-air today (Monday 1/28) at
4pm. I have to retape (screwed it up as I watched it!!)
Msg #6103 Dated 8:46:58 01-28-91 6023 <--> 6106
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: JOHN BOOTH
Pow!
Msg #6104 Dated 8:48:16 01-28-91 6072 <--> 6108
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: KEVIN MEADOR (X)
Re: MAGI IN GULF
Kevin, give me a call Wednesday (1/30) I'll be in the office.
Our number is (213)531-0953. Inside Magic is a newsletter produced
by Stan Allen. Remind me your from MAGIC! and I'll drop you a sample.
Msg #6106 Dated 9:33:05 01-28-91 6103 <--> 6215
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: JOHN BOOTH
John Booth's contribution to the literature of Conjuring
is long and wide and while we all feel that he deserves the
alloclade the degree however significant is honorary.
Msg #6107 Dated 10:20:46 01-28-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: GRAVETT BOOKX
Charlie, I found all four volumes together. Wil let you know if I find
1 or 3 or both....nice talkin to you the other day....best, tc
Msg #6108 Dated 10:25:46 01-28-91 6097 <--> 6134
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: MAGI IN GULF
Great! We have a couple of other names now, but will need to try to
get addresses. I'm off-site right now, but will work on it this
evening.
Msg #6109 Dated 10:54:21 01-28-91 6076 <--> 6189
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID SACKS (X)
Re: GREETINGS
I didn't make to last years DAY-OF-MAGIC and all I have heard for the
last year is how great it was. This year I WILL be there especially
with all the great lecturers that are going to be there. Hope to see
you there.
Msg #6110 Dated 12:38:24 01-28-91 -> 6150
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: FINAL WORD
I need another Final Word. XXX. Do you have any left? If so, I need
it by this Friday Feb 1. Let me know.
Msg #6111 Dated 12:58:54 01-28-91 -> 6129
From: MICHAEL OVERLY
To: ALL
Re: MICRONESIA
Does anyone know of any magicians in Gaum or Saipan. I will be
travelling in those areas for a significant time in the coming months.
I have checked my most recent Linking Ring and did not find any rings
in those areas. Thanks.....
Msg #6112 Dated 13:34:48 01-28-91 -> 6151
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: MORE BBS QUESTIONS....
David,
.
February 2nd is getting closer, so we are getting closer to the birth
of MAGIC!-NL. Let me remember you that I still
await some answers from you on the questions I asked in my
last msg.
.
However as a start of exchange between NL and US users I
would like to propose following...
Can you create a MAGIC!-NL userid at your board. I will
create a MAGIC!-US id at mine, so the users can exchange (public) msg's
between each other. They just send a message
to MAGIC!-NL and mention the receivers name in the msg.
Tough a bit primitive it might help as a start.
.
Than final another question. How do you see the exchange
of message to be done in reality. Do you expect me to up- &
download all mail or can I expect some logins from you?
Let me know if you have thought about this (financial)
problem.
.
Finally it might be nice to know that last week I have send
some letters to Abracadabra, magigram, magic circle (all in
GB) and AFAP (in Paris) about the upcoming start of MAGIC!-NL
so maybe we can expect some logins from overthere.
.
Hope to hear from you soon....
.
Bye, Arnaud.
Msg #6114 Dated 14:16:27 01-28-91 6054 <-
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: MAGAZINES
With regards to "Can God write a check..." Seems that it might
depend on
whether God uses a S&L or not.
Msg #6115 Dated 14:17:09 01-28-91 6062 <-
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MODEM COMMANDO
It seems you have a wealth of slick tricks for us. Thanks!!!!!
Msg #6116 Dated 14:18:02 01-28-91 6018 <--> 6123
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Do you know if the Moscher Special will be replayed by public
broadcasting at
any time in the future. I was only able to see a portion of the
"triangle" work
as I was working, but I found it facinating. It gives one pause to
watch a
jugglar with one ball captivate, and we with all of our tricks and
props.......
Msg #6117 Dated 14:18:37 01-28-91 6019 <--> 6119
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NO THREAD
[line noise]
freezing, drowning, or being crushed by parts of a falling [line
noise]
those positive attitude classes are really helping my outlook on
things!
Msg #6118 Dated 14:14:49 01-28-91 6095 <-
From: RICHARD STREET
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY MAGIC
Your list of possible lecturers looks good. Might think about Paul
Harris. I've got his books and tapes. Going thru "Focus" now, so Max
would be great. My number here work 615-749-6107 home 615-885-3226.
Look forward to seeing you in a few weeks .... later RS
Msg #6119 Dated 14:19:32 01-28-91 6019 <--> 6133
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NO THREAD
>From your description it will take some fine magic skills to prevent
you from
freezing, drowning, or being crushed by parts of a falling ceiling.
Yes sir,
those positive attitude classes are really helping my outlook on
life.
this is how it should have read!
Msg #6120 Dated 14:23:46 01-28-91 6020 <-
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FUTURE AUCTIONS
I'm very excited about your subtle clue. Sounds great, and I am
looking forward
to your message once "it" is ready.
Msg #6121 Dated 18:05:36 01-28-91 -> 6153
From: DAVID DUGGIE
To: ALL
Re: LITTLE ROCK MAGIC MUSEUM
* Deep in the bowels of the thriving metropolis of Little
Rock, Arkansas is a magical oasis. The oasis is called the
"Free Museum of Magic". It serves as a museum of sorts and
has many visitors (especially young school children) who come
to see what magic is all about. The museum is owned by
Colonel Frank Seymour, S.C.C. The title "Colonel" was not
conferred because of his prowess on the battlefield, but is
the honorary title of "Southern Colonel" and was bestowed
upon him by the Governor of the State of Arkansas many (many)
years ago. The "S.C.C." is the Colonel's own title, which is
short for "Southern Colonel of Corn", which he used in his
days as a stage magician.
* When he was forced to retire some years ago, due to illness
in the family, he managed to buy the house next to his and to
turn it into a clubhouse for magicians where he conducted
magic lessons for would be practitioners of the magical arts.
How many young people he trained cannot really be estimated.
Several, however, have gone on to make magic an important
part of their lives, becoming either full or part time
magicians. The Colonel, thankfully, is getting older
(consider the alternative) and, while he continues to take
an active part in the enterprise, has a full time
manager/partner - Frank Pinto - who takes care of sales, acts
as a talent agent for other magicians, coordinates museum
visits and other day to day functions.
* The museum boasts "6,000 tricks on display", both amateur
and professional. I don't know exactly how many tricks are
there, but if it isn't 6,000 it's close enough! Everything
from inexpensive pre-packaged tricks to full blown stage
illusions are there. I doubt if there are too many things
that have not passed through these doors at one time or
another.
* The museum hosts the "Little Rock Magic Circle", a club of
tired and tireless magicians from around the area who meet on
the second Friday of every month at 7:00 P.M. until the last
holdout leaves. Every Sunday an informal roundtable is held
at 2:00 P.M. (until whenever) where the members try new
routines out on their peers for cheers or jeers. The
meetings are casual and fun.
* For those who may be in the area and would like to stop in
for a visit the address is 5200 West 29th Street, Little
Rock, Arkansas, 72204. The telephone number is (501)666-2159
and works most of the time since the Colonel has stopped
doing his own wiring. The address works for mail too, if you
want to write.
* This is truly the fun spot of Central Arkansas for
magicians. New York, Los Angeles it ain't; but maybe that's
why I like it.
*David Duggie
Msg #6123 Dated 18:26:42 01-28-91 6101 <--> 6126
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Yes, Michael Moschen received the MacArthur Foundation grant around a
year ago -- with far more justification than some others, so far as I
am concerned.
Regarding my ongoing shows at the Comedy Store, it's proving to be
a difficult room in terms of drawing numbers; because the Belly
Headliner venue is used only sporadically, it has no established
identity, and I know that some potential customers have gone into the
Original Room show downstairs, assuming incorrectly that I am one of
the performers on that bill. However, the room itself is nicely
arranged, very intimate, and the audiences may be small but the
reactions have been terrific.
Msg #6125 Dated 19:44:57 01-28-91 6096 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: SCHWARZKOOF
You betcha!
It always puts an unexpected smile on my face!
Msg #6126 Dated 19:46:25 01-28-91 6102 <--> 6152
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Darn!!!
I'm reading this Monday at about 7:40 pm.
Arrgggh!
Well, I do thank you, Patrice, for the attempt!
You know, for someone in the television business, I am NOTORIOUS for
missing almost everything good on TV! Go figure.
Msg #6127 Dated 19:51:16 01-28-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: LECTURE
Okay...
Of the MAGIC! members who attended the Magic Castle Lecture by Gary
Kurtz...what didja think?
I thought it was among the best, if not THE best lecture I've EVER
attended! The information was valuable and well-presented. The
effects were strong and he really didn't hold back...(unlike some
recent lecturers at the Castle). I do hope that those of you who are
locals and didn't get to the lecture at least got to see Gary's show
during the course of the week. If you didn't get there, you really
blew it!
Msg #6128 Dated 19:59:50 01-28-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: THREAD
I'd like some help here from anyone who knows...
... any suggestions of a source for invisible thread that doesn't need
to be separated?
Msg #6129 Dated 20:23:43 01-28-91 6111 <-
From: MAC KING
To: MICHAEL OVERLY (X)
Re: MICRONESIA
Some of the greatest magicians in the world live in Spain. Juan Tamariz
and Ascanio are two of the best.
Msg #6131 Dated 20:33:38 01-28-91 6088 <--> 6154
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: KIDS SHOW
In my own way I tried to involve the kids from the very start and
throughout most of the show. I started by showing two toothpicks that
I had painted to look like magic wands. By themselves they wouldn't do
anything- the kids had to say the magic words and the magic words
for the day were "Happy Birthday". When they said the words one of the
toothpicks jumped a foot in the air. (I told them if they watched real
close they might see it quiver a bit!) Anyway, whenever we needed some
magic words I had them all chime in together.
Looking back over how it went it seemed like they viewed not so much as
a performance of magic, but as a series of puzzles to figure out how I
did it or blurt out how I was doing it as the case might have been.
Though they may never have been correct they sure had plenty of
opinions as to how I was doing things! A few magicians have mentioned
not to "talk down" to kids. I'm not exactly sure what that would be
but it's probably what I did. One of the grandmothers in attendance
said I seemed very kind and gentle and soft spoken like a magical Mr.
Rogers! Well these kids were nine years old and I guess that's a bit
too old to be spoken softly too. I guess they are getting to be
sophisticated adults younger and younger nowadays! I think I just need
several more trials and errors to get the feel of working with kids.
It'll all smooth out with practice.
Msg #6132 Dated 21:01:25 01-28-91 6022 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: THREAD
I thought I was told it was Mettler's Metrolock #100. I made the
assumption from the "-lock" that it was the type used by overlock
serger sewing machines, which normally are on BIG spools not the
regular sewing machine spools.
I have seen the brand Mettler's but only rarely and always in small
colored spools. I think the #100 refers to the thickness of the thread.
The #100 cotton threads I've seen in the other brands appear too thick
for use.
Msg #6133 Dated 21:02:50 01-28-91 6019 <--> 6145
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NO THREAD
Hope no "rain" from the water pipe got on anything valuable like
thelibrary or your computer equip. I havn't moved yet and it probably
will not be for another couple of months. We're doing some serious
looking now.
Ken Hensley's shop is about 45 minutes from my office. If he decides
to keep the OKITO book there maybe I can get by for a look-see. (For
all those in the area if you don'tvisit Ken's place K&L Magic Emporium
in Claremont your makin a big mistake)
I missed the PBS special- saw it listed in the guide after it was
over. I'm off-line weekends as I use the computer at my office after
hours for MAGIC! Did you catch the 65th Anniversery show of the Gran
Ole Opry?
Msg #6134 Dated 21:03:57 01-28-91 6029 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: EMORY KIMBROUGH (X)
Re: MAGI IN GULF
My best to all involved in Desert Storm. Just to let you know how much
support tyou have all you need to do is take a look at my neighborhood.
There are more flags flying on houses now than there were on the 4th of
July. Our prayers are with you. Keep safe and kick a**!
Msg #6136 Dated 21:08:10 01-28-91 6043 <--> 6229
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ROBERT CANSLER (X)
Re: IS THERE NEVER ANYONE FRO
Next time youwork Anaheim go up the street one block to Belle Isles
restaurant on the corner of Harbor and Chapman. It's an ugly pink
building. You can't miss it. Check out the bakery counters and take
home a souvenir menu. They feature extremely large (and great tasting)
portions. Their pies are taller than they are wide! To look at them
reminds me of the old cone-head skits on saturday night live. Go there
either for a a meal OR for dessert. You'll be too full to eat both.
They are open 24 hrs. I'd suggest one of the desserts. Everything is
made right there including the ice cream. The whipped cream is so thick
you can stand a fork up in it. Look at the Texas breakfast listed in
the menu. Meant for only one person it begins with a 32oz steak, 1 doz
AAA eggs anyway you'd like 'em, ham sausage AND bacon, 1gal of coffee
and a bunch of things I can't even remember.
Congrats on Alison's TV debut. What did she invent?
Msg #6137 Dated 21:09:08 01-28-91 -> 6155
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: CURIOSITY
I may have missed something but I'm dying of curiousity. What do the
badges look like? What's the slogan? and Who won?
Msg #6138 Dated 21:23:53 01-28-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMANIA!
Tabmania!! Thas' what it is...........
Gotcher CD but can't find mah playah.... Will look tomorrow.
Many Graciases!
Had the Transmission rebuilt picked up the car Sunday night and
it was still bogus. Drove it home at 7/10s speed. HAD TO GET
THERE TO SIGN ESCROW PAPERS. There was a Deadline. Good thing I
got there as an error had crept into the loan doc's and it took
half a day to fix!!! Yo! Mamma!
My man at Chrysler Corp. said, "Hell just drive it the way it is
for now. We can put a new engine in it if you need it later.
Bring it to the next race (a month from now in Vegas) and I'll
test drive it. Hmmmm. Maybe he plays Bass.
Been trying to log on tonite now that I is home, but getting busy
sig's.
Be in tuch. Grindin' this out offline. Will answer stuff online.
Adios Amigo!
Msg #6140 Dated 21:45:23 01-28-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: SULLIVAN SHOW
Rick, thanks for your msg. Just got home (Monday night) and if you can
let me know what Satellite and Nr. and the time/date the show will be
aired, MAYBE I can tape it myself. Not sure if I will be here tho. I am
packing to move next weekend or a day or two later, not sure. And when
I do, the Dish stays here! Anyway, Thnks
adiosthe dish stays here. Thanks and
adios. Hope this came thru OK it is crazy on my screen?
Msg #6141 Dated 21:47:51 01-28-91 -> 6174
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: UNRULY MOB
You think kids is unruly. You shoulda been there the night an agent
booked me on a show with strippers WITHOUT TELLING ME AHEAD OF TIME.
It was for a local Plumber's Union (again he just said "a club date")
I walked on stage and the crowd, nearly all drunk, started to YELL,
"SHOW US YOUR T**S!" repeatedly! After about 1 minute I remembered a
line from Al Koran's lecture and delivered it (slightly modified):
"There are horses for different courses, I'm NOT a horse for THIS
course, God Bless you and Goodnight!" Then you just leave. I modified
it, following the comma with F**K YOU AND GOOD NIGHT!
Msg #6142 Dated 21:50:52 01-28-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: FINAL WORD
DON'T BUY ONE. Just use your little tape recorder and make your own
version. I did this last Saturday, mimicking the same words but
put the guys NAME IN -- blew him away as he had heard the
marketed version and thot I had it!!! heheheheheheh
Msg #6143 Dated 21:52:05 01-28-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: KAPS
Thanks for your message. My problem now is I am 'RE-PACKING' and
getting ready to move! In about 1 week I will be living at 16 Los
Banos Court, Walnut Creek, CA 94598. Until Feb. 1 my FAX number is:
(707)884-4425. There is a switch machine (my phone number is the same)
if you send a FAX do not speak the FAX will come on automatically. If
you call, after a voice comes on you just say one word "telephone" and
the phone rings, not the FAX. When I am organized will be getting back
in touch with you. Thank you.
Msg #6145 Dated 22:22:40 01-28-91 6133 <--> 6170
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NO THREAD
P.S. Did 'ya hear that Poland sent 50,000 troops to the gulf?
Only problem is the Mexicans don't know what to do with 'em
Msg #6146 Dated 22:26:57 01-28-91 -> 6157
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: FUNDRAISER ANNOUNCEMENT
*****************IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT*****************
**********************************************************************
To help defray the operational costs of MAGIC! A new service is being
offered to all MAGIC! members. In a few days look in the files area for
BOOKSALE.TXT This will be a listing of NEW books available for sale.
10% of the proceeds will go toward MAGIC!'s operational fund. The
prices listed will be the regular retail prices. All the hottest titles
will be found there. As a "discount" no sales tax will be charged.
To kick off this fund raising venture A VERY SPECIAL offer follows.
For all those who order the book _FOCUS_ and the money is received
before Feb 9, 1991, Phil Goldstein, MAGIC!'s own Max Maven will
personally autograph your copy. Delivery will be approximately one week
after the deadline.
To get your copy send $25.00+$2.50 postage and handling to:
Burt Carpenter
23900 Ironwood Ave B126
Moreno Valley, CA 92387
This is your chance to get an autographed copy of one of the hottest
books on the market today.Don't take my word for it just read the
reviews here on MAGIC! If you already have _FOCUS_ sell your copy to a
friend and get the official personally autographed MAGIC! copy for your
library.
Msg #6147 Dated 22:28:10 01-28-91 -> 6161
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: BOOK REVIEW
The following book review is for all interested. It may be reprinted by
anyone who cares to. I thought it might be topical in reference to the
current gulf situation. Though these events occurred many years ago the
locale is close enough to give a feel for what our troops are
experiencing now. For those with access this book is in the Castle
library. I don't know if it is still in print.
_THE WAR MAGICIAN_
by David Fisher
published by Coward-McCann, Inc. Feb 1983
200 Madison Ave. NY,NY 10016
reprinted in paperback by
Berkley publishing Group Nov. 1983
200 Madison Ave. NY,NY 10016
380 pages
Here is the incredible true story of Jasper Maskelyne, The grandson
of John Nevil Maskelyne, founder of the famed Magic Circle. Though
grandfather and father Nevil Maskelyne were famous for their stage
performances, Jasper created even greater miracles for the allies in
WWII. Stationed in Egypt, Jasper used his magical talents not to
entertain but to defeat the Nazis in the mid-east. Many of Jaspers
techniques are still being used by military units throughout the world.
This well written book reads like a novel and there are several
photographs of Jaspers work. After enlistment the British didn't know
what to do with him so they assigned Jasper to the Royal Engineers
Camouflage Corps. While still training in Britain, he used mirrors to
sucessfully hide a machine gun nest and ambush Lord Gort, the Inspector
General of the British army who was inspecting the camouflage training
center. He then created the illusion of a German warship floating on
the Thames.
Realizing Jasper's ability to produce armaments from thin air, Lord
Gort had Jasper transferred to the mid-east where there was a terrible
shortage of men and materiel.
Upon arriving in Cairo, Casper was immediately sent to Damascus,
Syria to have a "magic duel" with the Iman of the Whirling Dervish
tribe who was threatening a jihad or holy war if the British used an
evacuation route that ran through Dervish territory in what was then
Palestine, Transjordan, Syria and Turkey. This "duel" was similar to
ones his father Nevil Maskelyne had performed on behalf of Lawrence of
Arabia years before.
After Jasper's sucess against the Iman, Jasper was assigned as the
head of the Camouflage Experimental Section and given near complete
autonomy. Jasper's unit was vital to winning the war in the mid-east.
He created armies, tanks and battleships where there weren't any. This
caused the enemy to waste valuable resources attacking useless targets
and prevented attacks on units that otherwise were not strong enough to
resist. He transformed tanks into harmless looking supply trucks so
enemy planes would pass them by. He designed spy equipment for the OSS
and escape tools that could be hidden in the uniforms of pilots in case
they were captured.
Perhaps the biggest illusions were the ones Jasper had to perform
nightly throughout the balance of the war. These illusions were bigger
than anything performed before or since. Jasper Maskelyne vasnished the
Suez Canal and Alexandria Harbor nightly so that enemy bombers could
not find them and would bomb useless sand dunes instead. Here for the
first time his methods for these feats are revealed.
_The War Magician_ gives you a real feel for what it is like to
fight with limited resources in the mid-east, and shows how magic
principles can be used to save lives by creative thinkers. Though
Jasper Maskelyne never fired a shot, without him the war in the desert
would have been lost. From making battleships and submarines appear, to
tricking Rommel's Afrika Corps into retreat this is the untold story of
Jasper Maskelyne, one of the greatest illusionists of all time.
Msg #6149 Dated 0:27:03 01-29-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: KAPS LETTER #5
LETTER #5 FROM FRED KAPS TO PETE BIRO
These letters and the related Fred Kaps material that he choses to
publish on MAGIC! will remain the personal property of Pete Biro,
Copyright 1991 by Pete Biro, All rights reserved.
NOTE: All letters are "verbatim" as written, remember English was
not Fred's native language! Any comments or clarifications by
the editor are enclosed in << >>.
<>
22 August 1975
Hi Pete -
Have been on the boat for almost 8 weeks and did a T.V. and magic
weekend in Belgium. So no time for writing - As a matter of fact
apart from the T.V. and the magic weekend. I did not touch a
prop!!! <>.
The weather has been fantastic! It is a little cooler now
but we go back to the boat tomorrow for the weekend. I start
working again on the 5th of September. And it will be a busy
season again. 19 shows in Sept. 23 shows in October. Nov. and
Dec. will be very busy too!
Sometime ago you wrote about coming over this winter -- are
you? Let me know. <>.
Ken <> went back to the South of France again to do
another lecture in Italy and a holiday until the end of August
with our friend Phillipe Fialho. It will do him a lot of good.
Barbara is with him this time. Last time he went to do the Monte
Carlo Convention he could not believe his eyes. With Fialho he is
in very good hands!
Hope Jay's <> show in Chicago in Oct. 1976 will
work out. Did not get any letter from him yet, but hope he will
be able to book me.
Nelly's foot is almost healed now. 1st of September the
plaster comes off. It was a big disappointment for her. She was
not able to travel to Monte Carlo and we could not go on our
planned trip with the boat so we stayed on the lake. She is
alright now.
Well Pete, as I said above - nothing new in magic at the
moment - so: All the best from Nelly and (signed) Fred-
PS: Don't want to talk about the bill trick you sent me!
<>.
Msg #6150 Dated 0:28:14 01-29-91 6110 <--> 6179
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FINAL WORD
There are very few Final Words left, Marvin, but if we can figure out how to get
it
to you by Friday, one of 'em is yours!
Msg #6151 Dated 0:31:06 01-29-91 6112 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MORE BBS QUESTIONS....
Will have answers to your questions by Wednesday night, Los Angeles
time!
Msg #6152 Dated 0:35:05 01-29-91 6102 <--> 6216
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: TELEVISION
I had someone attempt to tape the show, but it got pre-empted! Perhaps
they will show it again.
Anyway, thanks for the info - at least it gave some of us a chance to
try to catch it.
Msg #6153 Dated 0:38:59 01-29-91 6121 <--> 6177
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID DUGGIE (X)
Re: LITTLE ROCK MAGIC MUSEUM
Thanks for the write-up on the Free Museum of Magic, David. It sounds
really great. Maybe you can get Joe Stevens to move Desert Magic to
Little Rock for one year so we can all drop in and see it and visit the
Coloniel.
Msg #6154 Dated 0:43:16 01-29-91 6131 <--> 6175
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
Another approach would be to avoid booking shows where anyone between
the ages of 7 and 27 is likely to be in attendance. The toddlers don't
seem to present the problem and the older folks will either enjoy the
show without being obstreperous or at least they are old enough to
blast with the Final Word. You will notice that the Castle wisely has
a policy of not admitting anyone under 21. Up until now you've thought
that was because they serve booze - now you know that it is for the
protection of the performers.
Have you considered doing your show in costume? Perhaps as a Teenage
Mutant Ninja Turtle? (A friend of mine points out that it was a wise
decision of the producers of that show not to model it on Jews - can
you picture a Teenage Mutant Rabbi Whitefish?).
Msg #6155 Dated 0:51:53 01-29-91 6137 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: CURIOSITY
OK - Here is the info on the WINNER of the CONTEST! --
The winner was Jonathan Kaufthal. His entry in message #2375 was
818 896-7450 MEANS MAGIC!
Jonathan hasn't been on in a couple of weeks, but his button - #1 in
the signed and numbered series will be sent to him.
Here's what they look like (in text) - approx 2 & 1/4" buttons, yellow
with black lettering. The winning slogan is in the center in bold
type. Along the edges, in small text, are the words "The 24 hour a
day, 365 day a year MAGIC! Convention" and "First MAGIC! Button -
Celebrating One Year of MAGIC! - 1991."
Those that are signed and numbered (Jonathan's, the memebers of the
Advisory Board, those who have contributed ($) to MAGIC! before the
supply runs out, and those who attended the First Annual MAGIC!
Luncheon at the Magic Castle) have the number and my signature along
the edge just inside the small text.
MAGIC! congratulates Jonathan!
Msg #6157 Dated 1:03:37 01-29-91 6146 <--> 6462
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: FUNDRAISER ANNOUNCEMENT
WOW, BURT! That is terrific! And so was your check! Received in the
mail today. As with the other contributors, your signed and numbered
MAGIC! button and your Certificate of Appreciation will be in the mail
once things get back from the printer.
I want everyone to know that the campaign to help fund MAGIC! and the
contributions we have received have been great! But what has been
exciting to me has been the sense of community that has developed and
the number of creative ideas that have been employed. MAGIC! can only
get bigger and better from here!
Msg #6160 Dated 1:25:52 01-29-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: BOOKS FOR SALE
Burt Carpenter's list of new magic books for sale is now in the file
section as BOOKSALE.TXT Burt is donating 10% of the proceeds to
MAGIC! And, as he mentioned in his message, copies of FOCUS ordered
prior to February 9th will be autographed by our own Max Maven!
Thanks, Burt!
Msg #6161 Dated 1:34:21 01-29-91 6147 <--> 6301
From: T A WATERS
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: BOOK REVIEW
It should be noted that Fisher's book is heavily based on Maskelyne's
own MAGIC - TOP SECRET; Fisher has given the events a novelistic feel,
but didn't add a great deal of new information. On the other hand, the
Fisher book is readily available and Maskelyne's isn't -- given that,
Fisher's WAR MAGICIAN is certainly worth reading.
Msg #6163 Dated 7:00:29 01-29-91 6090 <--> 6166
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: NAME
Gee Frank, things change quickly. I'll have to give you a call to catch
up on things. Why are you moving? One thing I've learned is that the
gaming business is wicked. How's Merlins coming along? Well, talk to
you soon via the phone, I'm anxious to hear about everything.
har
Msg #6166 Dated 8:55:53 01-29-91 6163 <--> 6208
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: NAME
Mr. Carroll -->
Alread sent check for FFFF right after Ray sed he'd call.
Both you guys are TOPS in my book. I thought Ray sed it that
night, but if you renmember we wuz having "too much fun!" and I
coulda made a mistake (bound to happen sooner or later).
Absolutely looking forward to having some laughs with you and the
Mertzman. Everytime I see the Bills on tv I think about my
friends in Bufffalo. Was it Ray or you who encountered that
elephant sized woman that fateful night??.....TC.
Msg #6167 Dated 8:57:00 01-29-91 -> 6191
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: TABMAN STUFF
This is community and a commitment to community working.
The cold stare of the CRT has become a warm smile. No longer do
we labor in ignorance and superstition. The dangerous machine has
become an ally. Woodrow Wilson in his monograph "When A Man Comes
To Himself" likens it to a person meeting him or herself on the
road and recognizing, accepting and actually joining forces with
the god within.
Everybody here is doing a great job. I've been having an
excellent time reading all the stuff lately. Your involvement in
the support area of MAGIC! also proves it was time.
I'm really looking forward to the Dutch BBS MAGIC!-NL
coming on line Feb 2. Proof again that this is the future of
magic. You will all be seen centuries from now by magic scholars
sitting at consoles in domes all over the planet as the pioneers
of "modern" magic communications. Congratulations and thanks to
all!
The Great Computer Network (credit Max for this thought)
is now reaching into the desert sands to touch the lives of
magicians there. Bits and bytes and flesh and blood. Perhaps
nowhere exists a more supportive league. You are part of the data
elite and soon our informational flow will extend completely
around the globe.
While MAGIC! is apolitical, we do have to depend on the
phone lines to "talk" so we fight for freedom in our own way. Ten
years from now the 90s will be considered the end of the dark
ages as far as magic is concerned. Communication is instant and
the value as perceived by me is far greater than the cost of a
call.
I wanted to join those of you who lunched at the castle
last friday in the worst way. I even had chile for lunch though
on the east coast most of you were just getting going for the
day. I know it'll happen and I will get to meet many of you along
the way. I still have my east-west plane ticket (fortunately not
on eastern) and plan to use it for the desert seminar assuming
Gloria is home, even if I come in just for the MAGIC! breakfast
(guess I'll have to bring my own gritz).
This decade is less than 30 days old. The last hoorah for
the 20th century. We must weave the threads of this network deep
into the fabric of global communication before the data police
are formed. Magic must have its own satellite and it must be
invisible. Black art?
tabman
Msg #6170 Dated 10:21:20 01-29-91 6145 <--> 6176
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: NO THREAD
I refuse to join this thread! Booooo
Msg #6171 Dated 11:26:30 01-29-91
From: RICK RUHL
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: NO THREAD
IThe thread was on the big spool, but it was cotton, elastic and WHITE
and it was called metroFLOCK, it was the 100, but it looked thicker
than any thread I have ever seen.
Msg #6172 Dated 11:28:16 01-29-91 -> 6181
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CBS
I don't know the exact date yet, nor does my Orbit mag list it, but, I
will find out. I'll trade for a copy of the Harbin performed Zig-zag
on TV. (hehe)
You know Pete, if this music city magic does come through, I think I
WILL perform ZIg-Zag the way Harbin did. I would love to see the
reaction of the audience when someone from there is helping with
Zig-ZAG.
It seeems to me,doing it in that way would make the illusion 100 times
more effective than it is when it is done in the NON-Harbin way.
Rikker
Msg #6174 Dated 12:25:53 01-29-91 6141 <--> 6182
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: UNRULY MOB
You lasted a whole minute through that bombardment? I guess I'm
grateful that kids aren't of drinking age. I can just hear them now,
"Show us your pee wee, Herman!"
Msg #6175 Dated 12:35:38 01-29-91 6154 <--> 6183
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: KIDS SHOW
About performing in costume- I don't know that I have a definite style
yet but any costume would certainly be out of character for me and I'm
not that good of an actor to portray something too far afield of what
I am. I have heard that magicians are simply actors playing the part
of a magician. That, I can manage. Putting on a turtle costume and
making pizzas appear while yelling "Kowabunga dudes" may be a big hit
commercially but it's not for me. I think I will just have different
shows for differet groups according to age brackets. After reviewing
the tape I made of the show I see that I could have done more effects
with money which they really liked and cards which they understood
better than I thought. I will certainly not be buying many more of the
stock shelf items found at my favorite magic store but I'll concentrate
on creating some unique ones of my own. With a little thought I might
be able to cover 90% of my requests for shows with one of three
different shows. One for LITTLE kids, one for older kids and one for
adults. One thing I like to do is modify each one specifically for the
person or group I will be in front of. Makes it a little more special
that way. For instance, I asked the mother what the birthday girls
favorite color was which she said was blue. So after I turned a yellow
silk into a red one I said I would do it one more time and asked the
birthday girl what her favorited color was. I then changed the silk
into her choice, blu There's probably lots of stuff to do along those
lines that we can do to personalize the show a bit without resorting to
totally revamping it.
Msg #6176 Dated 13:08:06 01-29-91 6119 <--> 6194
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PAT HOLCOMBE (X)
Re: NO THREAD
That was some line noise. I thought Ufos were trying to
communicate with me again. Glad to help anyway I can and simply
appreciate being part of the MAGIC!. Glad to hear from you. Have
you been online here very long. I understand we have over 500
members now and growing. I can see more phone lines in our
future.
tabman
Msg #6177 Dated 13:08:53 01-29-91 6121 <--> 6209
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID DUGGIE (X)
Re: LITTLE ROCK MAGIC MUSEUM
I used to play Cajuns Wharf there in Little Rock and
Nashville. Nashville closed but don't know about Little Rock. Was
a great stop along the road. Good money and good food. I remember
"Col" Seymour. Glad to hear he's still magicking. Used to see his
ads for the Col. Seymour school of magic which I think he ran out
of a motor home in shopping center parking lots. I never got to
go to magic skool, but I did go to law school for awhile...same
thing, right?
Msg #6178 Dated 13:09:22 01-29-91 -> 6180
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: ILLUSION BUILDING
Congrats on your suspension project. Send me a photo of
trik with suspendee sometime when you get around to it. Would
love to get Paul Harris for lecture as RS suggested. I heard he
was semi retired and living where I don't know. Maui? We'll have
to nail down a date by April or so and get serious.
Like to do an online tie in with MAGIC! Maybe write an
interactive message center that could up and down in packets and
look like MAGIC! Sign on every few hours. I'll definately see
that we have a terminal in the hospitality suite. I know David
and Pete have something exciting in store for IBM in Baltimore.
If I'm around maybe I'll get to see it.
Did you say that the Beatles were on the same show as
Kaps? Hope somebody getz it on video.
tabman
Msg #6179 Dated 14:04:34 01-29-91 6150 <--> 6201
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FINAL WORD
Thanks Dave. But it going to be a problem getting it in time, so I'm
going to give one of the two that I've already bought, and somewhere
down the line get another one. But in the meam time, don't hold one
for me. Thanks anyway.
Msg #6180 Dated 14:27:24 01-29-91 6178 <--> 6200
From: RICK RUHL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ILLUSION BUILDING
Sure, why not? Maybe david could add qmail or some other messages
packer in a door. That wiuld make life easy for writing a term program
for use with MAGIC!
I got Procomm P{lus version 2 today and it is KILLER. Wonder if we'll
ever get Zmodem batch downloading on here. (hint.hint, David).
Yes, I'm going to try to get that on video. It would make a great add
to my small (extremly small) collection.
Msg #6181 Dated 14:52:41 01-29-91 6172 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: CBS
You got it! When I saw Harbin do it this way it really made a
difference. Again, he worked primarily in Cabaret with the audience
close and all around him. I have a model built right from the book,
but it needs some repair. I bought it to use as a closet for my
jackets, etc.. Might re-instate its use when I move into MY OWN PLACE
next few weeks!
Msg #6182 Dated 14:54:08 01-29-91 6174 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: UNRULY MOB
Great reply. Yep, they'll do it to ya!
Msg #6183 Dated 14:54:55 01-29-91 6175 <--> 6192
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
Terry Seabrooke did the same material for all groups. Stag shows, and
I saw him work a kids party for one of the Football teams in London. He
only changed what he said. Same tricks! I like that.
Msg #6184 Dated 17:04:46 01-29-91 -> 6202
From: MARVIN STERN
To: ALL
Re: GEN. SCHWARZKOPF
It may be common knowledge, but I just read about it. In the latest
issue of Time, it mentions that General Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf is
among other things, as amateur magician. Hope he can pull off some real
magic over there.
Msg #6186 Dated 17:50:29 01-29-91 6081 <--> 6231
From: DAVID SACKS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC BOOKS
I'm preparing a list. Will post it as soon as its available.
Howevere, if there is something you want just let me know.
There is a chance I can get it for you.
Thanks much; have a good eve
David
Msg #6188 Dated 17:56:10 01-29-91 6100 <-
From: DAVID SACKS
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: DEATH OF A SHIGEO TAKAGI
Mr. Takagi was 60. Born in 1930.
1930. Got this info from a reliable source, Arnold Furst.
Msg #6189 Dated 17:59:40 01-29-91 6109 <--> 6224
From: DAVID SACKS
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: GREETINGS
Darrell
You shall see me there. Spoke with Joe Selph this evening and told him
to hold a spot for me.
Sorry you missed the last one, it was superb.
May be able to get a video of some of the lectures, if so, you
interested???
Talk to you later.
David
Msg #6191 Dated 18:40:57 01-29-91 6167 <--> 6195
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Dark ages? I hardly think the lack of modern communications technology
was a problem for the development of magic in the pre-computer era...
Msg #6192 Dated 19:25:29 01-29-91 6088 <--> 6199
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: KIDS SHOW
Hey there Stan,
I've been having tremendous luck with kid shows recently so
I thought I would share some thoughts.
Kids these days ( as well as adults ) don't get to see live
performance very often and its my opinion that they really
dont KNOW HOW to watch one. I tell the little b*stards (oops,
I meant cherubs ) at the beginning of the show that this is
not t.v. , I am a live performer and my feelings can get
hurt. I tell them that if my feelings get hurt I might cry
and will have to leave.
I then explain that one kid can destroy the show for
everyone. Handling child hecklers is a little different than
adults because the "position of power" concept as discussed
by Max Maven is especially great. You have to handle them
without losing the sympathy of the audience. First I try to
ignore the heckler, then I try to incorporate him into the
show and if all else fails I sternly, but kindly, inform him
that he is making the show bad for everyone. (Diplomacy is
vital at this point.) You should be friendly but command a
certain sense of authority with a kiddie audience.
The best way to handle an unruly audience is by prevention.
Proper selection of material, appropriate (possibly the most
important word in magic) presentation, and thoughtful
routining of the act as a whole.
For trick selection I use basically the same stuff as I do
for adults. I dont do any "kiddie" magic. I obviously dont do
wine magic for them but substitute water and milk.
Your presentation should be changed to match the audience.
Nine years olds dont react the same as five year olds.
Younger kids still can enjoy fairy tales and so forth but a
nine year old wants to match wits. Modify your routines
accordingly.
Above all, think about the routining of the act as a whole.
I start out with an eyepopper, move into some fast paced
stuff and then to a sucker gag ( to let them release that
urge to yell ). Now that I have their attention and the
spell is being woven, I can afford to move into material that
takes a while to build, or use jokes that require thought.
Some more brief thoughts:
Kids are very much in touch with their instincts. They can
sense when you are nervous and will often move in for the
kill when the time is right. Eliminate the tell-tale signs
such as shaky hands, high pitch voice and excessive UM's in
your speech.
Learn how the different age groups act. The difference
between a seven and a five year old is tremendous as
contrasted with a fifteen and a seventeen year old.
GIVE GIFTS. Kids love bribery. I close my show by showering
the birthday brat with tons of worthless crap ( I mean
priceless treasures ). Spend five bucks on a card, some
balloons, candy and toss in an autographed glossy and you
will be amazed at the response.
Kids are emotionally infectious. By that I mean the emotions
of one can spread very rapidly. The down side of this is
that one person can create havoc. The upside is that good
will can spread through a kiddie audience like wildfire.
One of my most enjoyable kid show moments was when I was
standing in front of an audience of kids who were laughing
UNCONTROLLABLY. It was like they had an epedimic of laughter
and nobody could stop them.
But the best advice I could give is this. In the
entertainment game the high points are very high and the low
points are very low. What can result is an emotional roller
coaster that is hard to handle. Thats why so many people in
this field self destruct. Enjoy the highs, learn from the
lows, but above all keep a level head and a quasi-passive
attitude. This way you can stay in the game long enough to
achieve the success you are after, whatever it may be.
Steve Kucera
the Wine Country Wizard
707 578 8920
Msg #6193 Dated 19:26:48 01-29-91
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: FILL IN THE BLANKS
Since I rarely have a chance to fraternize with other magi
I was hoping some of you could help with some questions and
provide the missing parts of some half stories I know.
What/who is Dr. Magic and what is the Dr. Magic fiasco
reffered to in a Reel Works column several years ago?
I read in Gennii that a Mike Russo was injured. Who is he
and what happened?
Who is Mark Tripp? I enjoy his articles and am curious what
his background is.
What/who is Russelyf Lewis and whats all the discussion
about? I was off line for a while and must have missed
something.
Thanks to those that fill in the blanks.
Steve Kucera
the Wine Country Wizard
707 578 8920
Msg #6194 Dated 20:31:55 01-29-91 6170 <--> 6240
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NO THREAD
Awww where's your sense of humor Pete? It was Polish guy at work that
told me that one.
Msg #6195 Dated 21:03:38 01-29-91 6191 <--> 6196
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Since we haven't experienced the future yet, it's hard to
say, however with each additional advancement in the "art" of
communication we have seen growth in most all areas of the arts.
I'd venture to say that your latest book FOCUS was "typeset"
using computer technology as do I imagine most all modern
publishers do likewise. And unless FOCUS was printed by hand
would also imagine computer technology aided in the printing
also. Not taking away from your book, on the contrary as you
certainly know how I feel about your work.
MAGIC! provides a sense of interactive community which is
impossible without some form of computer communication even if
you're using a simple telephone. While it can be argued that
where there is sufficient desire on the part of the student to
seek out knowledge little will stand in his or her way, we've
just started "cracking the nut" as they (me) say.
I do compliment you for being an active participant and
hope you value MAGIC! as much as I value you and your thoughts.
Thanks for taking the time to read and to reply.
tabman
Msg #6196 Dated 23:41:40 01-29-91 6167 <--> 6197
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Tabman - You are a true web weaver. Your messages make MAGIC!
Msg #6197 Dated 23:42:52 01-29-91 6191 <--> 6210
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
There is a hierarchy of activities that go into the "development of
magic," Max. Creation is one component. Diffusion and dissemination
are another. I suspect that to date creation has not benefited much
from computers (although there are many ways in which it could). But
diffusion and dissemination, and the creative feedback that results
from those, have certainly gained from modern communications technology.
Msg #6199 Dated 23:58:54 01-29-91 6175 <--> 6227
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
Your topic is drawing a lot of good comments. And your own thoughts
are really solid - like getting the favorite color in advance (of
course, the kid could change her mind, but I imagine that you would be
prepared for that by moving on to something different). Lots of good
stuff going back and forth - thanks for starting the thread.
Msg #6200 Dated 0:03:14 01-30-91 6180 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: ILLUSION BUILDING
OK, OK, here's the story... We are constantly looking for ways to make
MAGIC! better (and less expensive to use) but there are some things
that WON'T work. Doors, for example. They blow holes in the security
system and most of 'em won't work with multi-tasking, multi-user
systems.
Zmodem would be nice, as would a built-in message packer. Programming
is looking at 'em. But our programmer also maintains that the future
is with hardware based solutions such as MNP-5 and V.42, solutions
where the files are essentially "packed on the fly" via the modem. He
sees transfer protocols as a dying art.
All I can say is that we are working on improvements. As a matter of
fact, the next version of MAGIC! is already in beta test.
Msg #6201 Dated 0:08:49 01-30-91 6179 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FINAL WORD
Sent it out to you first class today. P.O. says you might have it as
early as Wednesday, but that you should have it by Thursday.
Msg #6202 Dated 0:09:59 01-30-91 6184 <--> 6252
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: GEN. SCHWARZKOPF
Hmmmm.... wonder if Time got it from MAGIC!? Stormin' Norman's magic
has been a topic of conversation around here.
Msg #6207 Dated 0:19:18 01-30-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGI IN THE GULF
IF YOU KNOW OF ANY MAGI WHO ARE IN THE GULF, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
We're trying to post a list (which may be shared with Inside Magic) and
the best way we can support them by staying in touch is if you let us
know who is out there. Please check with your local clubs and rings
and try to get a complete name and mailing address. Thanks!
Msg #6208 Dated 0:47:50 01-30-91 6163 <--> 6427
From: FRANK ZAK
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: NAME
Harry,
you're right things do get crazy in the gaming business. My new boss is
maniacal. He has a cops mentality. The best time to catch me at home is
9am my time and noon your time. I'm usually out of the house by
10:30am. Call on sat. or sun. the rates are cheaper. Talk to you soon.
Frank
Msg #6209 Dated 4:45:59 01-30-91 6121 <--> 6282
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID DUGGIE (X)
Re: LITTLE ROCK MAGIC MUSEUM
Col Seymour is one of the officers in the Little Rock SAM Assembly,
and we would like your permission to use the information in
message 6121 that you posted in the Gulf Coast Regional SAM Newsletter.
We would of course give you credit for the article and information.
Please advise if this is OK with you. (Of course we will also
mention MAGIC!). Thanks
Msg #6210 Dated 7:19:39 01-30-91 6197 <--> 6212
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
My comment had nothing whatsoever to do with the value of computer
technology. I value it highly, and it has made my work far easier in
many ways, both in the creative area and that of setting those ideas
into printed form. Unquestionably, the creators and/or authors in
magic's prior years would have enjoyed the opportunity to use such
advanced tools. Nevertheless, with their relatively primitive devices
they seemed quite capable of turning out wonderful magic. I take
exception to Tabby's suggestion that somehow the lack of microchips
defines earlier times into "dark ages."
Msg #6212 Dated 8:22:30 01-30-91 6210 <--> 6236
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
My favorite books so far are the old books and admire
the men who made it all happen. Centeries from now most of the
books not well protected will have turned to dust. I'll make a
deal with you; lets talk about this some more over pasta and
espresso somewhere in Tennessee or California. My goal here is to
help make sure this information has a chance to carry forward not
to negate its value. It has more to do with storage and access
than to the state of mind of creators and writers as I view the
value of digital storage as precisely that - archival storage. As
to how well the antique masters did, it is obvious.
They made us aware of what they were doing at the time,
however not everyone has access to this information readily
outside those who are close enough to use the Castle library
regularly. Many of these writers were more motivated by love of
art than chasing a dollar as they didn't rely on their magish
skills to make their living.
I hope some one with the bucks required will take on the
responsibility of transferring all the old books to cd-rom
technology so they can be easily saved and used. I'd love to have
a complete Hoffmann on cd-rom. Modern Magic is one of my most
referenced books over the years and I've about worn my copy out
as it is almost a century old. A complete Genii reader and Sphinx
reader on cd-rom...man o man. I hope I get rich fast.
On another topic: would you be interested in coming to
Nashville next Jan to do a lecture ?? I'm not sure you even do
this anymore, but I thought I'd better find out.......
Msg #6213 Dated 8:33:21 01-30-91 -> 6241
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARBIN
I'd like to have a copy of the Harbin Zig-Zag anyway. What must I doi
to BEG this from you?
Rikker
Msg #6215 Dated 13:36:13 01-30-91 6106 <--> 6220
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JOHN BOOTH
I can't feel the issue of a degree is truly THE issue.
It seems John Booth is being attacked here for other reasons -
jealousy?? (His book premiered on time, he is more respected, etc)
Wasn't Jeff Busby's book on Erdnase promised to be available this
past July or August? I apologize if it's out & I have simply
missed it...
Msg #6216 Dated 13:40:09 01-30-91 6126 <--> 6217
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Wayne, I used to catch everything on TV relevant to magic, until
I started actually getting involved in magic... Did manage to
catch this one (well, allied art). It turned out my tape recorded
alright. If you'd like me to send it to you for you to copy, just let
me know.
Msg #6217 Dated 13:43:25 01-30-91 6152 <--> 6253
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TELEVISION
David, I happened to be home. Was going to watch as I taped and
found that it seemed to fhave been pre-empted. Here's one for you...
it was on, just a half hour later... I do indeed have a copy. Told
Wayne he could borrow it to make a copy. If you'd like to do that as
well, let me know.
Msg #6219 Dated 14:07:21 01-30-91 -> 6242
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: AMAZING RANDI ON TV
Just saw Inside Edition for the day and James Randi was
on debunking Dr. Nostradamus. Amazing Randi says the Astrologer
was wrong over 100 times as he traced discrepancies back to the
oldest version of THE CENTURYS he could find. Also was the first
time I'd ever heard the word "malarky" on television by a "news"
commentator. Randi looked good. Nice tan. He also did an
ambitious card for Joel.
You may still be able to catch it on the west coast.
Msg #6220 Dated 14:08:31 01-30-91 6215 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: JOHN BOOTH
No problem. Best I could tell it is a two edged sword. Opinion and
truth live on two different streets. I understand the issue. I have
ordered the book and will comment more after reading it. I agree about
respect as it cannot be bestowed, only earned.
Msg #6224 Dated 15:15:55 01-30-91 6189 <--> 6359
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID SACKS (X)
Re: GREETINGS
I am always interested in good magic video!! Either teaching or
performance.
Msg #6227 Dated 16:57:29 01-30-91 6183 <--> 6228
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
I've heard of that and I should give it serious consideration. It
would certainly make things a lot easier. I should have thought of
that before I bought the coloring book, vanishing crayons, etc. I
probably won't have much use for that stuff if I'm ever asked to
perform for a plumbers union. (Ha, ha!)
Msg #6228 Dated 17:03:37 01-30-91 6192 <--> 6239
From: STAN LAKE
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
Steve, thanks for the long and thoughtful reply. I'm going to print it
off and read it over a couple of times and incorporate a lot of the
good advice from you more and the other more experienced magi.
Msg #6229 Dated 17:03:48 01-30-91 6061 <--> 6230
From: ROBERT CANSLER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IS THERE NEVER ANYONE FRO
Well, Guess what I have family in Salisbury, Maryland, and have done
a few shows in Ocean City, Maryland; Great place in the summer to
do magic, as long as you donot have to drive, the traffic is
terrible.
Tabby, she was the one who used the dual straw with the boy, her
statement that there was nothing between them really took the director
by surprise, that was not scripted, but like her dad, she saw a line
an took it, adlibing all the way.
Msg #6230 Dated 17:08:04 01-30-91 6052 <--> 6232
From: ROBERT CANSLER
To: KEVIN MEADOR (X)
Re: IS THERE NEVER ANYONE FRO
I live in Maynard, Mass. outside Boston at this time. Use to do a
lot of work around Richmond and Norfolk areas. Did quite a few
trade shows for the Philips Morris Company in Richmond.
bc
Msg #6231 Dated 17:08:57 01-30-91 6186 <--> 6360
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID SACKS (X)
Re: MAGIC BOOKS
Right now I have many great books I haven't had time to crack open yet
but every now and then I buy another one I just can't do without!
Msg #6232 Dated 17:12:01 01-30-91 6136 <-
From: ROBERT CANSLER
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: IS THERE NEVER ANYONE FRO
I believe I have been there, your statement about the pies, is what
makes me think of this and the breakfast (usually dinner for me).
I do love to go to Anaheim, but I think that Rebecca's on Venice Beach
is my favorite place to eat. Great atmosphere; I do not wish to slight
the Magic Castle though, but I usually eat where I work, but I do lovew
the Strip too. great little cafe's and Jazz Clubs.
Have to watch me some times I tend to run off at the keyboard when
I start talking about a place I love to work in; Notice, I don't
talk about Columbus, Ohio much, Nice to work at the University
but lousy eaterys.
Msg #6233 Dated 17:18:10 01-30-91
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BRAINWAVE DECK
I got your deck in the mail yesterday. It looks like you've given it
some good use! If and when cards come on sale again I will look into
making some up if we have some interested people.
Msg #6234 Dated 17:21:24 01-30-91 -> 6260
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC AND SKILL
What does anyone and everyone think about mixing magic and feats of
skil+l or comedy stunts? More specifically, does anyone do a routine
where they are doing, say, some card locations or whatever that come
across as "magic" and in the same routine perform a royal flush deal or
four ace deal or some other thing that shows obvious skill with the
cards and does not purport to be the illusion of magic? Along the same
line, When I was doing the last magic show for kids, all of the effects
I had were
"magical" types of effects except for one, the old paper balls over the
head routine. Looking back on it perhaps that wasn't a w-ise choice to
include if it burst the bubble of the illusion of events happening by
magical means.
One more thought if anyone can benefit from it. I had a scotch and
soda set which I held in my left hand so they could see both of the
coins. Closed the hand and let the birthday girl choose either the
copper or silver. If she would have said "silver" I would have said
"that's my favorite too. We'll keep the silver coin and vanish the
copper one." As it turned out, she chose the copper so I said "OK
since you chose the copper I will make it vanish. The two coins were
already locked together of course and I said to watch my outstretched
left fist carefully. While they did and just as I opened my fist I
stole a real centavo from a coin clip with my right hand. I then
produced this from the birthday girls ear and as I was leaning over to
do that I pocketed the shell and insert into my left pants pocket. I
said I would do it once more and placed the centavo into my left fist
as if it still held the half. I said "choose again, copper or silver"
She did what I expected and chose the other one which was the crux of
what I am trying to convey to you. I held my hand over a plate and
made the silver coin penetrate the plate to...
My screen just went blank- I hope I didn't lose the message.
Oh well, anyway, from the kids viewpoint the half dollar penetrated the
plate because when I lifted it up I picked up a half dollar which had
been there from the beginnin of the show.
Now of course the girl could have wanted to see the copper coin vanish
a second time but that would have required just a "sleight" adjustment.
Msg #6236 Dated 17:55:20 01-30-91 6196 <--> 6237
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
What's a web? Changing the subject, did you see the Video of the bomb
hitting the bridge just after the "luckiest man in Iraq" drove thru the
cross hairs? Whooaaaa.
We need someone to get the real Magic info on Schwarzkoff. I will soon
write a fictional review of one of his shows. For kids who bug him,
right!
Msg #6237 Dated 17:56:21 01-30-91 6212 <--> 6238
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
A dinner discussion sounds good to me. Regarding a lecture, while I do
not lecture often in this country, I do on occasion. Impossible to
commit to a January 1992 date this far in advance, but contact me on
the subject again further down the line, and perhaps we can work out a
viable circumstance.
Msg #6238 Dated 17:58:00 01-30-91 6212 <--> 6244
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Hey you guys... what's wrong with Pasta at the Desert Seminar?
Tabboo... did you know that the Jarrett Book (by Guy Jarrett) was set
in letterpress type one page at a time by Jarrett himself. He would
print a quantity of the pages, set 'em aside, then take the type apart
and write the next page AS HE SET IT IN TYPE, continuing until
finished.
And, And, that Jerry Andrus did a similar thing PRINTING BUT ONE COPY
OF A BOOK, sending it to Lloyd Jones. I wonder if Byron still has it?
And... and... that Jerry Andrus also "scratch built" a typewriter.
Msg #6239 Dated 18:01:23 01-30-91 6192 <--> 6261
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
I know you really lace their cool aid with a Cabernet.
Msg #6240 Dated 18:02:48 01-30-91 6194 <--> 6258
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: NO THREAD
OK
Msg #6241 Dated 18:04:10 01-30-91 6213 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: HARBIN
Where to you live? I might sell if FOB the left coast.
Msg #6242 Dated 18:05:47 01-30-91 6219 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AMAZING RANDI ON TV
Randi. Hah, an anecdote the Reel Works.
Following one of his wonderfulk debunkings of Urine...er Uri Geller on
a San Francisco TV station, Randi and I headed (in my car) to the
airport so he could catch his plane and go home.
When we got the to security checkpoint all the bells and whistles went
off!!! He went through again, DING DING DING...
"Oh, I Forgot" he said, "I have some big magnets taped on the inside of
my thighs" -- he had to go get 'em off to get through!!!
Hah! He had been doing the stuff that makes compasses and watches act
funny!
Har, har, har.
Also, a friend of mine (now a major editor at Business Week magazine)
who know I did magic and liked it, was listening to my story about
Geller jumping from New York City through the air to a town in upstate
N.Y. (I think Ossening) (it is described in one of his books) and
landing on the front porch of a guy named Andrija Pujarich (probably
spelled wrong) and this guy (at the time was assistant dean of men at
N.Y. University) went berzerk, saying,
Pujarich?? Man, I used to date his
daughter... that guy belived the little men from flying saucers used to
land on his property and talked to him!"
Msg #6244 Dated 20:22:17 01-30-91 6238 <--> 6245
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
I've got the J. Steinmeyer JARRETT. Couldn't put it down
til I'd read every word. I'd forgotten he'd done that. I got
inspiration and insight into the "determined man" after reading
about how he'd put the book together. I hope if I ever have the
chance to own an original I have the money to buy it on the spot.
What kind of paper did he use? And the binding? Did he bind it
himself?
I like The Amazing Randi's work. He's really developed
quite a career out of debunkery. Thats a funny story about the
big maggies in his pants. Seems like you'd get magnet rash or
something.
Speaking of magnetism - are you familiar with the
Philadelphia Experiment? One of the old guys at the vets home
across the road claims to have been on the next ship over from
the Philadelphia the day they flipped the switch and turned those
giant electro magnets on. Also know a military consultant that
swears that the whole thing is true. Three electros with the
center one out of phase with the outside two. Would make a great
theme for a magical demonstration.
I think I'll call public affairs at the pentagon tomorrow
and disguise myself as a writer to try to get the scoop on mon
general's magic hobby. Will let you know if I can get on base or
not......later....tc.
Msg #6245 Dated 20:23:25 01-30-91 6237 <--> 6250
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Sounds good. Will definately stay in touch about it.
Msg #6249 Dated 20:56:56 01-30-91
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: KAPS ON TV
Does anyone know when the Sullivan show with Kaps is going to air on
the west coast?
Msg #6250 Dated 20:58:15 01-30-91 6236 <--> 6255
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Don't ya just love how stormin Norman deals with hecklers? Talk about
the Final Word......
Msg #6252 Dated 21:34:07 01-30-91 6184 <--> 6299
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: GEN. SCHWARZKOPF
this is quickly becoming the "Abbott's Address" of 1991!!!!
Msg #6253 Dated 21:40:14 01-30-91 6216 <--> 6265
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Based on everyone's positive comments, I'd love to get a copy. Your
offer is greatly appreciated and, if it's really no great bother, I'll
take you up on it.
Many thanks, Patrice.
Msg #6254 Dated 21:47:38 01-30-91 -> 6256
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE LUCKIEST...
They found that guy who Stormin' Norman called the "luckiest guy in
Iraq" and interviewed him. They asked him if he was anticipating any
further Allied air attacks and he said, "I'll cross that bridge when I
get to it!"
Msg #6255 Dated 22:01:03 01-30-91 6250 <--> 6262
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
YO!
Msg #6256 Dated 22:01:44 01-30-91 6254 <--> 6284
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THE LUCKIEST...
What bridge?
Msg #6257 Dated 22:02:06 01-30-91 -> 6259
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
I screwed that up. Starting ovr...
Looking forward to hearing about Stormin' Norman. I bet he does a great
kid show. Probably fires a couple of rounds in the air to get their
attention.
someone asked about Dr. Magic. I will do a brief story tomorrow if I
get my regular work done. Besides getting hit with tons of work (having
done none for 2 months!!!) I am packin' to move in about 4-7 days,
depending on weather, escrow, money, time and availability of a trailer
I am trying to line up. Adios.
Msg #6258 Dated 22:12:04 01-30-91 6176 <-
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NO THREAD
I have been online for only 3-4 weeks, but have enjoyed every moment.
Noted some lively discussions and disagreements, as well as messages
from the Mount. Quite a varied lot of personalities. Relative
newcomer to magic (4-5 years), but learning and reading, so my history
is improving if not my ability to credit properly. You are so prolific
with your messages. I must tell you that I enjoy your ability to
expound. Hope to type at you in the near future.
Msg #6259 Dated 22:32:19 01-30-91 6257 <--> 6277
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
Hi Pete,
I asked about Dr Magic as well as other questions. Looking forward to
the " Rest of the Story"
Msg #6260 Dated 22:35:01 01-30-91 6234 <--> 6270
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC AND SKILL
Stan,
My thoughts on combining feats of skill and magic are as follows.
Hey what the hell. If the result is unique and entertaining by
all means go for it. There are no steadfast rules so why not
stretch a little.
I am a fairly good banjo player and have played since I was a
kid. I play it during my bigger stage shows and I always get a
great response. Its not exactly combining magic and music per se
but the audience seems to like the variety. I do a medly of
tunes at a breakneck speed and it leaves them aghast.
I saw Mike Finney in Tahoe several years ago and he was
preceeded by a talented juggler. The juggler failed at a card
location at the end of his act he did some cigar box
juggling. Ultimately he stacked the cigar boxes in some
precarious fashion and balanced them on his chin. He turned so
the audience could see the back of the boxes and them was the
card revelation. A great combination of the two arts.
Hey, by the way I am going to fly into El Lay for the weekend in
May. Maybe we could get together for drinks or chow at the
castle.
Msg #6261 Dated 22:35:41 01-30-91 6239 <--> 6279
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
Hey Pete,
Me? Spike the youngsters kool-aid?
Two of the worst types of audiences are drunks and obnoxious
children. Why the heck would I combine the two? Talk about
double jeaopardy.
My worst night club story, and granted I haven't as many years
in it as you, was right after the baseball season playoffs last
year. The crowd was left-over from watching the game and were
as drunk as can be. They were literally throwing things at the
other comedians and yelling swear words.
What could I do? What else? I rushed through the show to
fulfill the contractual obligation and called it a night. I was
somewhat proud of the fact that I didnt let it get me too down
in the mouth. I didnt lose any sleep over the incident and
chalked another one up to experience.
Ah well. Just another day in the small time.
Msg #6262 Dated 22:41:24 01-30-91 6210 <--> 6263
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
I notice that the conversation has taken a turn around this discussion.
But there are Dark Ages and dark ages. The first is fairly definable,
lasting from approximately 476 to about the year 1000. The second is,
perhaps, a subjective metaphore.
At any rate, when we get to the pasta passing part, I'd like to be
there.
Msg #6263 Dated 22:45:08 01-30-91 6236 <--> 6264
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
WEB - possibly "Witty Erudite Bast..." - nah, I ain't gonna do it. I
missed seeing the bomb on the bridge. I wonder if we can get
Schwarzkoff's address? Bet some of the troopers get more fan mail than
he does. Heck, he might be able to use his laptop to dial into MAGIC!
Msg #6264 Dated 22:50:30 01-30-91 6238 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Well, he said modestly, the sysop computer-typeset, laser-printed, and
hand assembled the MAGIC! buttons.
Msg #6265 Dated 22:52:55 01-30-91 6217 <--> 6388
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Thanks for the offer. At the moment I seem to have the largest
collection of unwatched videos on the planet.
Msg #6268 Dated 23:14:33 01-30-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAGIC-NL
Re: NEW MESSAGE ADDRESS
Take a look at the header of this message and you will notice a new
"To:" As part of the start of MAGIC-NL in Holland on February 2nd,
Arnaud has suggested this new "user" as a way to direct your messages
to his European system. In turn, his members will be able to address
messages to MAGIC-US.
All messages exchanged using this format will be PUBLIC messages. But
if you do want to address a particular person, you would put their name
on the first line of your message - Example:
Attn: Arnaud Vanrietschoten
So, if you want to send a message to someone on the European system,
just begin it as you normally would - Type E for Enter Message from
the Main Menu. When the "To:" prompt appears, type MAGIC-NL Then
include any specific person's name as an Att: line on the first line of
the actual message.
Let's all help get MAGIC-NL up and running!
Msg #6270 Dated 23:32:39 01-30-91 6260 <--> 6278
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: MAGIC AND SKILL
The juggler you describe is Chip Lowell (I ought to know; I booked the
Tahoe series this was a part of). In your description of his act you
say that he "failed at a card location." True indeed - but for Chip's
sake I think it should be emphasized that the failure is intentional,
as a set-up for the cigar-box revelation.
Msg #6271 Dated 23:33:12 01-30-91 -> 6286
From: RICHARD HART
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
Stan:
Nine-year-olds are a tough audience indeed. But, thanks to the
Maven's inspiration, I tried something different, and by Merlin's
whiskers, it worked!
Want to wow the almost-teens? Mentalism!
I performed a half-magic, half-mentalism show for them. Flash magic,
manipulation, and a few comedy effects, leading into the front half of
my adult mentalism routine. And do you know what? They bought it,
hook, line, and telekinetic timber! I hit 'em with Roydon's DOUBLE
DYNAMITE, then MENTAL EPIC, the TOSSED-OUT-DECK, and closed with the
TELEKINETIC TIMBER.
Believe you me, I would never have thought that mental effects would
go over so well. Nine-year-olds, indeed! From the looks on their
faces, I thought for a moment that I had an audience of true believers.
Even the ones that "knew it all", were floored when I suddenly
switched from doves and silks and gaudy colored boxes to simple props
and the magic of the mind....
Go figure, eh?
_richard
Msg #6274 Dated 0:00:41 01-31-91
From: RICHARD HART
To: ALL
Re: THE BERG/OKITO AUCTION IT
Just want to warn you all, when the Tabman gets the surprise auction
item ready, I'm going to be a tough customer to outbid. Berg was my
mentor, Okito, my idol. I have a special place on my wall for that
item. I will be very tough to beat.
Tabby, hurry up with that frame, I am anxious to enrich my humble abode
with a chunk of memories!
_richard
Msg #6275 Dated 6:02:10 01-31-91
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARBIN
I live on the east coast, Atlanta. If you would like, I can send you a
tape to dub it on, and I'll include postage both ways. And if you had
an extra copy of the book (The Magic or Robert Harbin) I WOULD love to
buy that, depending on tghe price of course.
Rickker
Msg #6276 Dated 8:16:58 01-31-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAGIC-NL
Re: MAGIC!-NL ONLINE
I extend the hand of international friendship across the
waters of the big pond and congratulate you on your step into the
future of global conjuror's communications, storage and retrieval.
The Netherlands has a magic rich history and it is fitting that you
be among the first to come on line.
Msg #6277 Dated 9:18:29 01-31-91 6259 <--> 6280
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
Dr. Magic sent us a video and the combined talent committee (me, Bill
Wells and Jim Nagel) of the IBM really liked it. It was a "first really
heavy metel look" rock and roll magic show.
Wanting always to bring new and innovative acts to the conventions we
booked him. I don't know his real name. He is from New York state.
Anyway to make a long story short, he and his assistants (about 7 or 8)
trucked into Boston with tons of stuff, lights curtains yoiu name it.
They worked day and night setting the show. We had lots of problems
with the union help (in the end they all appreciated one another) but
a bunch of Irish Union stage hands and long hair rock groupies at first
did not have ANY CHEMISTRY at all.
Anyway Doc was to do 2 shows with 1/2 the aud at a clam bake one night.
I and my committed decided to go to the clam bake the first night so
that we would see the 2nd show of the good Dr.
Well, with extention cords (hundreds of them) all over the audience,
lights rock n roll equipment etc.
THEY NEVER WERE READY. DID NOT GET TO REHEARSE.
I did not see it but it was a total disaster. At one point they nearly
set fire to the place (actually did singe the floor) assistantds that
vanished from one place to appear in the aud didn't get there due to
locked doors.
What could go wrong went wrong.
There is a "cult" of people that SAW THIS SHOW. Like John Gaughan, who
said "I wouldn't have missed it for the world", etc. etc.
The fire marshall told us if they tried to do the 2nd night the entire
convention would be closed down.
Sadly, I wanted to see them make it... I had to fire him on the spot.
By the next night we had assembled a great show and discovered some
really good talent. This in itself is a big story, but the magic
reviewers overlooked it.
Frankly, I hope Doc went home and thought it out and is still working
out a way to do it... and I would be the first to put him back on
stage.
Msg #6278 Dated 9:27:12 01-31-91 6270 <--> 6287
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AND SKILL
One of the great premises. My dear, late friend, Emile Clifton used to
do an entire act with "failed" card revelations, knocking them dead at
the finish when he SUCCEEDED.
Msg #6279 Dated 9:28:32 01-31-91 6261 <--> 6298
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
Don't rush thru to get it done. Soon I will describe a similar
situation where Al Flosso TOOK COMMAND of the audience after several
others had "rushed" to get on and off.
You must WIN (this is not a pesonal attack, but a rule for all to think
about)!
Msg #6280 Dated 10:29:41 01-31-91 6277 <--> 6295
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
Was thinking about taking a few daze off but I saw your
xmission regarding Dr. Magic and got to thinking about it while I
was in the other room holding the door letting some dogs in and
some dogs out.
Was there sabotage involved in the locked doors? Must
have been a horrible scene (for you and Dr. Magic & Co.) but
heard the pickup second show went off great. I would have loved
to have seen the fiasco. Is there any video?
Last year doing a show (rock music) at The Bayou in DC.
This brother was doing his mc bit (really hamming it up) when he
simply vanished. The stage being eight feet off the dance floor
and seating balcony style this dude got his foot tangled up in a
mic stand and was standing too close to the edge of the stage. He
fell on the last word and the band started with smoke, pyro, etc.
He just dissapeared. It was great. That moment of suspended time
and reality. The guys in the band thought it was part of the show
cause he vanished from their perspective also. A funny night.
Paul Osborne had his adaptation of zigzag for his 100th
plan in Genii I guess about 20 or so issues back. Seems that the
illusion has entered the public domain. Unfortunately for the
Harbin family no royalties (outside of book buyers) are paid for
this unique illusion. In the pre movie era, magical intventors
like Horace Golden would patent illusions (his or ??) and haul
people into court. Guess it was part of the hype too.
In speaking of Harbin Book, I wonder, does the license to
build transfer with the passage of the book or does it remain
with the original purchaser?
Msg #6282 Dated 12:05:31 01-31-91 6209 <--> 6285
From: DAVID DUGGIE
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: LITTLE ROCK MAGIC MUSEUM
Shoot (with a magic gun, of course) Yes! This man is a true living
legend and those who do not know about him are the ones that are
missing out. You may know that his wife, Frances, died a few years
back and the Colonel has only his magiciann associates to spur him on.
Anyone who wants to make or renew a fascinating acquaintance should do
so soon. He is in his mid 70's + and procrastination is not advised.
But.... Go For It! You might even send the old mystic a copy. He'll
enjoy it! Thanks... David
Msg #6283 Dated 12:45:53 01-31-91
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: ALL
Re: PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
If you've always wanted to see Phantom of the Opera (at Los
Angeles' Ahmanson) and you don't care that Michael Crawford
is not appearing...
I have three orchestra tickets for tonight's 8 pm show.
They are about twenty rows back. They cost us $53.00, would
like to sell them for that.
That is for TONIGHT'S show (Thursday, Jan. 31).
Please call me at home ASAP if you're interested - (714)625-3708
or call Carol Giddings at (818)915-7651.
Well, I figured this was at least worth a shot...
I thank you. . .
Msg #6284 Dated 13:29:29 01-31-91 6254 <--> 6344
From: MARVIN STERN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THE LUCKIEST...
Gimme a break.
Msg #6285 Dated 14:30:37 01-31-91 6282 <--> 6390
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID DUGGIE (X)
Re: LITTLE ROCK MAGIC MUSEUM
Would like to hear more about the Colonel if you would write some more
about him.
Msg #6286 Dated 17:41:55 01-31-91 6271 <--> 6290
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
Please do not connect my name in any way with the performance of
mentalism for nine-year-olds.
Msg #6287 Dated 18:09:16 01-31-91 6270 <--> 6288
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AND SKILL
Max,
After reviewing my original post I agree that a clarification
was in order.
The Masters of Magic show featuring Chuck Jones, Jon Carney
and the Barans was the first casino show that we had ever
seen. We were greatly inspired by it, especially by the
Barans. My wife was so pleased to see Jennifer Baran playing
such an active role in the act, as opposed to the " Table with
Legs " role that too many female assistants are relegated to.
I felt the black art opener in that show was a very nice
touch.
Msg #6288 Dated 18:59:18 01-31-91 6260 <--> 6289
From: STAN LAKE
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: MAGIC AND SKILL
The juggler you saw who had the chosen card (seven of spades?) painted
on the precariously balanced cigar boxes was probably Chip Lowe. I saw
him a few weeks ago at the Castle and enjoyed his show immensely. That
is one art form which not only takes a lot of practice but there is no
hiding the fact when you make a mistake!
What weekend in May will you be down for? Sounds good to me whenever
you can make it. Will you be doing a show or is this a fun trip?
I'm still mumbling and fumbling with my thoughts on mixing skillful
manipulations and exhibitions of dexterity with "magic" in the sense of
some effect occuring by unexplainable means. I think I would prefer to
keep them separate. I would rather do one show of flourishes, poker
deals, and exhibitions of skill and at some other time do a show where
I try to weave the audience into suspending their belief for a moment
that my effects are created by unexplicable means. Just my own feeling
at this time. Along the same lines, I have seen many magic shows which
were actually standup comedy acts interrupted by brief bits of magic.
I guess they started out being magicians but found their real calling
was in comedy. Still hanging on to their thumbtip like a pacifier.
Maybe they think if the jokes don't go over tonight they can always
vanish a silk or two.
Msg #6289 Dated 19:14:26 01-31-91 6270 <--> 6306
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AND SKILL
I should have read ahead before digging up the Castle schedule looking
for Chip's name. (They have him listed as Chip Lowe)
Msg #6290 Dated 19:19:49 01-31-91 6271 <--> 6292
From: STAN LAKE
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
That really surprised me to hear what you succeeded with. Goes to show
you how much I know about kids. I didn't want to do any effects with
cards because I wasn't sure if they were all familiar with the makeup
of a deck. Apparently, they were more than just familiar- this
particular group had some bridge players! I'm not familiar with the
mental effects you described but I will make a point to try and find
something out about them. Thanks for the tip. By the way, I still
have ten force decks with your name on them if you want them. If not,
not problem, there are others who will take them if you have not need
for them. Just let me know.
Msg #6292 Dated 19:28:03 01-31-91 6286 <--> 6345
From: RICHARD HART
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
A thousand pardons, Max. I'll reply to you privately to explain
myself.
Msg #6295 Dated 19:49:32 01-31-91 6280 <--> 6297
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
The Dr. Magic guys just forgot to or didn't take time to check out the
access. they wre just too far behind and going crazy trying to put the
show together. I thought I screwed them up in the afternoon as I was
standing my a huge wind machine set to blow confetti across the stage
and I made a noise and the machine went off blowing the confetti all
over the theater (ABOUT FIVE HOURSE TOO SOON) I was really upset
thinking it was sound activated and caused it. but they came over and
told me they did it themselves by throwing the wrong switch. It took
them forever to clean up the mess and re-set. Just one of dozens of
things they screwed up by not being ready or knowing what they were
doing. I'll tell you nobody worked harder than that crew. I felt really
sorry for them.
MY LESSON? Don't book acts with 'EDITED' tapes. I want one camera, no
cuts!
Msg #6297 Dated 20:03:54 01-31-91 6277 <--> 6334
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
Thanks for filling in the blanks Pete
Msg #6298 Dated 20:04:28 01-31-91 6279 <--> 6312
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
Pete,
I agree that in most (%99) cases one should stick it out and
try to win as you say. This particular crowd had gone beyond
hostile, beyond obnoxious and well into that special form of
mental retardation that only sports fans are capable of.( I
know your a sports fan. No offense. Not every sports fan is
included in that last statement).
By the time I decided to throw in the towel these things had
happened. Several people had tried to rush the stage and take
the microphone from the comics. Comics were being smacked in
the head by flying objects. One female comic was called a
"Fat F****ing Whore". We actually threw 10 or so drunks out
on the street. After exhausting mine and everyone elses bag
of tricks for handling the tough ones, a conference with the
owner resulted in our ending the show prematurely.
We had some excellent performers working that night. All of
us agreed that this was the worst audience on the face of the
earth. Unfortunately there were several parties in the back
of the club who were trying to enjoy the show. I spent the
remainder of the evening doing tableside for them and
apologizing for the neandrathal invasion. In that respect I
managed to salvage the evening as most of them returned on
subsequent evenings to witnes our little cavalcade of comedy.
Guess you had to be there as the saying goes.
I am looking forward to the Al Flosso story.
Msg #6299 Dated 20:42:28 01-31-91 6252 <--> 6424
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: GEN. SCHWARZKOPF
Yeah, but do you know where he lives?
Msg #6301 Dated 20:55:15 01-31-91 6161 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BOOK REVIEW
Thanks for the source info on the Maskelyne book.
Msg #6306 Dated 23:53:19 01-31-91 6289 <--> 6318
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC AND SKILL
Thanks for the kind comments on "Masters Of Magic" which ran for ten
months at Caesars Tahoe. I directed that show, and created the Black
Art opening. A lot of hard work, but the results were pleasing.
Msg #6309 Dated 10:01:10 02-01-91 -> 6335
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PAUL HARRIS
Re: PAUL HARRIS
Does anyone have an address for Paul Harris?
Msg #6310 Dated 9:55:02 02-01-91
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: ALL
Re: KROQ MAGICIAN
Just a little vague info here I thought I would pass along
to LA area magi. As I was rushing the kids out to school I
heard on the radio (KROQ) that the morning DJs (Kevin & Bean)
are throwing a one-year anniversary party at the China Club
for their rapping weather man, Michael the Maintenance Man.
I caught enough of this morning's show to hear Michael list
the ten things he wanted at his party. Among them the entire
cast of "In Living Color" and scantily clad women. But the
NUMBER ONE item on his list was a magician. He said he didn't
want coin or card tricks. He wanted someone who could do something
like poke a knife through his hand ("but not really"). The DJs
threw in the suggestion that they would like someone who could
make a tiger, or better, an elephant disappear.
Anyway, if this sounds like you, they were asking people to call
the radio station. Bet it would be for the glory rather than
the bucks. (should have put glory in quotes, here!). I don't
have the phone number, but I know the station is in Los Angeles
somewhere.
They did mention they already had set the hypnotist, Tom Silver.
I remember hearing of a hypnotist with the last name Silver,
but is Tom the right first name?
Oh well, hope someone can have some fun with this.
Msg #6311 Dated 10:04:30 02-01-91 -> 6329
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: ALL
Re: MICHAEL JEFFREYS
Don't know if any of you have been following the Michael Jeffreys
story in "Inside Magic," but there may be an interesting addition.
You're all familiar with "Flirting with Magic"? Seems there is
a Phil Donahue show airing (in the LA area) this Tuesday (Feb.5?)
at 9 am. A guest is "Ron" Jeffreys - "dating expert and author."
The subject is "Guaranteed Sex on Your First Date."
Msg #6312 Dated 10:14:54 02-01-91 6298 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: KIDS SHOW
Reminds me of a New Years eve show at an army Offices Club.... and now
I remember doing the same, "retreating with our lives" Since then I
have flat refused to ever work on New Years eve.
Flosso was braought out from NY for the opening party of Dr. Albo when
he published his first book. There was a jparty at Doc's country club
and he brought in aobuat 8 acts, I was the MC. Nobody wanted to
watch the show -- they were laymen, friends of Albo -- lawywers, Drs,
etc. but were mostly talking to each other and being bored byd the
magicians. Several rushed the act and left. A couple of big names from
the Castle, etc. I didnd't have the experience to handle the situation
myself at this point in my life/career.
Flosso was to close. Albo came back and said "Put Al on now" (it was in
fact my time to work, but I said OK>
Flosso went out, blew his whistle, shouted 'em down, told them to watch
now becuase THIS WAS IT..... he absolutely outwaited them, got them
quiet, made them move up to watch the show.
Needless to say HE KILLED 'EM. Then, to my surprise, when he finished,
he said, (in his inimatable style) "Here it is... Now... we present the
STAR of tonights show.... Pete Biro...."
Not true, right, Flosso was the star... but he knew how to handle and
set up that audience.
And... the plus for ME, was the aud thought I WAS the attraction, they
paid great attention and I went over very very strongly.
Had I not had Flosso set it up, I probably would have DIED just like
all ahead of him! Great Lesson!!!!
Msg #6313 Dated 10:46:46 02-01-91 -> 6320
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: COLD READER
Recieved information in the mail today. Many thanks. Did
the fax of bp arrive ok. Was about 6:30am your time when I pushed
it through. Probably looked pretty weird in there with all that
biz stuff. Hope to read through this weekend while I'm watching
tv with Gloria.
Thanks again for thinking of me........tabman.
Msg #6314 Dated 14:59:11 02-01-91 -> 6325
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Pete,
Lets see....just talked to Keith Walker head honcho of
CEMK. He's gonna sue me cuz of what I din't say about him in the
Genii. Keith, Obie and Lou Gallo are off to the Magifest in
Columbus, Ohio next weekend. Keith heard from Joe Ryan that you
were publishing some of your Kaps Letters here on MAGIC! and it
turns out he was a student of Kaps in London. He's frothing at
the mouth to read them. He does Kaps floating cork beautifully as
well as cards and coins. I can vouch for the great conclave he
presents.
Magifest is Feb 7,8,9 if you're reading in the area. Sent
cd up to walnut creek today. Keith has a computer and sed will
look in2 getting a modem 4it. There's something about the water
in Buffalo that seems to culture magicpeople. I drank that water
for four daze and nights. Now I'm a magicperson and I can
understand them in Buffalo when they talk. I still hope I can
make FFFF (first time), maybe I can smuggle you out a bottle of
h2O.
tabman
Msg #6315 Dated 15:05:30 02-01-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: MCMC
How about Jan 10,11,12 1992?
Msg #6316 Dated 15:06:07 02-01-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD STREET (X)
Re: MCMC
Ditto above?
Msg #6318 Dated 16:06:50 02-01-91 6306 <--> 6319
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AND SKILL
I didn't know you worked behind the scenes as well as doing shows. No
wonder you keep so busy! I'm glad you take some of your valuable
"free" time to contribute to Magic! Thanks!
Msg #6319 Dated 17:12:44 02-01-91 6318 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC AND SKILL
Ditto.
Msg #6320 Dated 18:19:00 02-01-91 6313 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COLD READER
Fax arrived ok. Was very clear. No problem mixing w/business faxes. The
folks around here never know what to expect. You'd be surprised how
many faxes of cartoons etc come from bankers and other businesses from
across the country. All the employees here know of and appreciate my
magic backround. Enjoy the Fitzkee booklet and give the contact reading
a try. The key seems to be to get your subject to visualize your hand
moving in the correct directions. After reading the booklet lay out a
row of objects or cards (I think different objects work better) and try
it out on Gloria if you have not yet told her that it is muscle
reading. As you try to go in the wrong direction you will feel a pull.
As you go in the right direction you will feel almost no resistance.
This is if you are using the standard contact of the subject holding
your wrist. Different subjects vary widely in the strength of the
resistence or telegraphing that they do. When I used to do it I always
kept my eyes closed if I weren't blindfolded as _I_ could concentrate
better that way.
Msg #6325 Dated 19:48:12 02-01-91 6314 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Tabboo... David Copperfield mailing address - PO Box 629, Hollywood, CA
90028. Tellimisentcha. Got to start packin to move. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Someday will unpack. Haven't seen my stuff for 2 years! Adios
Msg #6327 Dated 20:20:01 02-01-91
From: RICK RUHL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MCMC
The dates look good to moi. I am available, the only problem I could
see is that a MAJOR LEAGUE snowstorm happens that time of year. Well,
what the heck, let's take a chance.
You want me to get in touch with Dan Garrett and see if he wants to do
a lecture. BTW, we need to finalize price etc. I'm sure these leactures
don't come free (but I'll do one for free, on unsing a computer in the
magic business).
Talking to ya
Rikker
Msg #6328 Dated 23:47:24 02-01-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: GAMES
Games are close to magic, aren't they? If you need a little allied but
non-magical entertainment I've posted two new games to the files area.
MLPUSH.ZIP - A zip file containing a dice game. Looks interesting.
ECABALL.COM - Once upon a time I built this pinball game simulation.
It includes ECANET's (MAGIC!'s) phone number. One
note: it was built in the days when PC's ran slow
(4.77 MHz). If you run it on a high speed machine,
the ball will move at close to light speed. You
might want to crank those 33 MHz machines down to
play!
ECABALL.ZIP - ZIP compressed version of ECABALL.COM.
Don't want to turn MAGIC! into a center for videogames but I thought
these looked appropriate. Have fun!
Msg #6329 Dated 23:53:00 02-01-91 6311 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: MICHAEL JEFFREYS
Thanks for the info, Pat! Hmmmm... "Guaranteed Sex on Your First
Date"? Does that mean that if it doesn't work your date gives you your
money back? Doesn't sound like dating to me, sounds more like the sort
of business relationship that goes on in some neighborhoods.
Msg #6334 Dated 0:48:12 02-02-91 6280 <--> 6337
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
I understand the plans are still copyrighted. Bills policy with Genii
is to not run ads selling the plans for the Zig-Zag. period. Concerning
Paul Osbornes running of the "tribute" as his One Hundreth Plan in
print in Genii he answered this very question for some dissatisfied
reader(s) about two or three (or four) issues later. Check it out.
Msg #6335 Dated 3:33:31 02-02-91 6309 <-
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PAUL HARRIS
This may not be current, but about 6 - 8 months ago Paul's address
was 3713 El Balboa Terrace, San Daigo, Calif 92117. His business card
has only "PAUL HARRIS" (in script) and the word "Available", with
not another thing...no address, no phone #.... nothing.......
Just the kind of thing one would expect from Paul!
Hope that helps.....
Msg #6337 Dated 7:44:46 02-02-91 6334 <--> 6339
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
Dante,
I remember the "tribute" and the subsequent letter from,
Paul Daniels I believe (I haven't looked it up) and Paul Osbornes
reply. I do notice on page 840 of Genii Vol53#12 that there IS an
ad for The Zig Zag from Illusion Systems (Paul Osborne's
company).
If a derivative work is based on copyrighted material, it
is necessary to obtain the copyright owners consent for the
derivative work to be copyrightable and publishable. While a
title or name cannot be copyrightable (ex: zig zag) all of these
one offs seem to be based upon Harbin's original work.
The copyright owner can divide up and transfer rights to
a work in any way he or she chooses. Some rights can be sold and
subsequently other rights to the same work can be sold to another
party.
I notice in Hank Lee's new catalog that the title page of
the Illusion section of the catalog is headed up with an
illustration of a zig zag as well as offering the plans (from
Osborne) and a Harbin Chair Suspension for around $400.
If the owner of the Harbin copyright should so desire, I
believe they have a "case", however it is up to the owner to
protect the copyright. I think the "common law" is "use it or
loose it."
tabman
sg #6339 Dated 10:05:06 02-02-91 6334 <--> 6340
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
Dante, would you kindly change my mailing address for Genii to:
16 Los Banos Ct., Walnut Creek, CA 94598.
Thanks in advance. Hey, I just remembered, I am a LIFE MEMBER of a
magic club in that area (Oakland Magic Circle) so I won't have to pay
anu dues!!! Hah.
Msg #6340 Dated 10:06:59 02-02-91 6337 <--> 6352
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
My guess is that Harbin's widow, Dolly, is probably not aware of this
stuff happening and has exited the magic scene. Anybody that can contct
here should. I think I'll send a fax to Paul Daniels. I'm sure he would
be a good one to get with her and maybe "get power of attorney" to shut
down the F*****G rip off artists!
I do know that Bob Lund has in his collection the original manuscripts
and artwork for the fabled Harbin book!
Msg #6344 Dated 11:48:56 02-02-91 6284 <--> 6425
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: THE LUCKIEST...
Ok...
How 'bout this...
...
IRAQI DENTISTS ARE WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK AS IT SEEMS THAT SUDDENLY
THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS IN NEED OF BRIDGEWORK!
Msg #6345 Dated 11:50:59 02-02-91 6286 <--> 6349
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
I've seen quite a few so-called "adults" with the mental capacity of
nine-year-olds running around in the Comedy Store over the years...(!)
Seriously, though, I'd be very interested in your assessment of Comedy
Store audiences for your shows, Max.
Msg #6348 Dated 16:55:40 02-02-91 -> 6350
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC CLASS
I just returned from an all day magic class held in Chatsworth.
(That's in Southern California for you long distance members) The cost
came to total of $60.00 which included some course materials such as
an oversized coin. (One of those about the size of a saucer) a
Brainwave deck, some wirenuts (!) for doing chink-a-chink, a spool of
thread for doing gypsy thread, and other odds and ends. We learned how
to do a couple of versions of coins across, cards across, a few copper
silver routines, gypsy thread, and other effects. What really made it
worth it to me was there was only four students so there was all the
individual attention we wanted, AND, I was allowed to video tape the
whole thing for future reference! The instructor also showed us some
excerpts from professionally produced magic videos showing the likes of
BoBo, Johnny Thompson, John Carny, Jay Marshall and others instructing
on other effects. I thought it was very much worth it and if anyone is
in this area and looking for instructions on some good basic magic I
would recommend it. Contact Learning Tree University in Chatsworth.
Msg #6349 Dated 17:17:27 02-02-91 6345 <--> 6354
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
I spent several years headlining comedy clubs around the country, so
this is hardly a new experience. In fact, the audiences who come to see
my show are generally not the standard comedy club demographic.
Msg #6350 Dated 17:22:27 02-02-91 6348 <--> 6351
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Given the recent messages concerning copyright infringement, it's worth
noting that whoever the instructor is for this magic class, he or she
is breaking the law by showing excerpts from commercial videotapes in
the context of a class for which a fee is charged. Clearly, Joe Stevens
has a lawsuit opportunity here. (Pete, I'll give you the pleasure of
contacting Wichita...)
Msg #6351 Dated 19:54:37 02-02-91 6350 <--> 6355
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
If it walks like a duck shoot it.
Msg #6352 Dated 20:07:42 02-02-91 6340 <--> 6357
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
The copyright act offers remedies when the rights of a
REGISTERED copyright are infringed. The court can grant temporary
and final injunctions anywhere in the USA. Court can also order
impoundment of all copies claimed to have been made in violation
of copyright holdrs rights. Also infringer can be liable for
actual dameages and any additional profits lost to the owner.
Reasonable attorney's fees can be awarded and if the courts deem
that the infringement is criminal a year in the slammer and 25gs
can be levied. Infringement of copyright can a serious offense.
Again it is up to the owner to fight and a sympathetic attorney
is advised.
Msg #6354 Dated 20:39:52 02-02-91 6345 <--> 6361
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
Ask the top comic in the business right now, Jay Leno. He will tell you
the Comedy Store is NOT THE PLACE to try out material for the Tonight
show. He drives (either a blower bently, a cobra or a Harley) down to
Hemosa Beach, to the Comedy and Magic Club to work the night before he
does the Tonight show -- as the audiences there are far more NORMAL and
much like those in the aud at the NBC Studio.
Msg #6355 Dated 20:42:24 02-02-91 6350 <--> 6356
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Max, lets bring this up at the Seminar. I'll be moving WED/THUR and am
so busy trying to pack stuff I might forget to contact Joe.
Msg #6356 Dated 20:43:15 02-02-91 6351 <--> 6364
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Hey Crabman... I walk like a duck. That was one of the reasons my new
EX_WIFE said she married me. I guess it wasn't enuf.
Msg #6357 Dated 20:44:06 02-02-91 6352 <--> 6371
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
OK
Msg #6359 Dated 21:09:59 02-02-91 6224 <--> 6438
From: DAVID SACKS
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: GREETINGS
Got some of both. We should get together and see what we have. Do you
live local to Highland Park. (That's between Glendale and Pasadena.)
My home # is (213) 259-8872.
Msg #6360 Dated 21:12:17 02-02-91 6231 <--> 6387
From: DAVID SACKS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC BOOKS
You sound like me. I too have many books and haven't had a chance to
get to them all. It seems that whenever a new book comes out and dig
up the dollars and get it. The next one to get, I think, would be the
new Elmsley book from L & L Publishing. Should be out in the next week
or two. That's one I'll probably get right into.
If your local, I would love to see your collection. I'm in Highland
Park, that's between Glendale and Pasadena. I'm about 5 minutes
northeast of downtown L.A.
Talk to you later
David
Msg #6361 Dated 22:53:34 02-02-91 6286 <--> 6372
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
Max -
I'm curious - is there some reason you don't believe in mentalism for
9-year olds? Or is it just that you personally prefer not to work with
them?
Msg #6364 Dated 0:06:15 02-03-91 6348 <--> 6370
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Was that the beginner's class or the advanced one? Getting to
videotape the class is a REAL plus! That alone would make me
interested in taking it. I wonder though, with only four students, if
it will be offered again.
Thanks for the info.
Msg #6369 Dated 0:31:23 02-03-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-NL
MAGIC-NL UP AND RUNNING IN HOLLAND!
Arnaud VanRietschoten's MAGIC-NL is up and running in the
Netherlands. I called it today and uploaded greetings from MAGIC!
Also had a nice chat with Arnaud.
Messages between MAGIC! and MAGIC-NL will be passed back and forth
and made available, but, if you would like to call MAGIC-NL
directly, especially to help get it started, the number is:
International access from U.S.
/
011 - 31 - 23 - 388725
\
Country code for the Netherlands
Msg #6370 Dated 0:53:05 02-03-91 6364 <--> 6376
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
No, no. He didn't say the class was videotaped; he said the class was
shown videotapes -- hence the discussion of copyright violation.
Msg #6371 Dated 0:54:32 02-03-91 6352 <--> 6374
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
The issue becomes more complicated, however, on the question of just
what it is that is being registered by copyright.
Msg #6372 Dated 0:55:32 02-03-91 6361 <--> 6377
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: KID SHOWS...
I feel that most mentalism -- and, most magic -- is inappropriate for
youngsters. I don't suggest taking them to see Hamlet, either.
Msg #6374 Dated 7:56:53 02-03-91 6371 <--> 6397
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
The zigzag question, I dare say, would be very difficult
and expensive to pursue because it is so widespread. There is no
regulatory agency in the govt for this sort of thing so it has to
be taken to the courts privately. Legal fees would be heavy. Your
point well taken on determining EXACTLY what material is
registered and how. It's a shame he didn't seek a US or UK patent
registration (or did he). US Trademak protection is valuable also
and is cheap and within the "do it yourself" range (I've done
three US and several state) if you are patient and speak heart to
heart with the US lawyers on the otherend. I'm no lawyer, I'm a
user of the system having done over 200 copyrights as well as the
other stuff related to publishing books, tapes, cds etc.
You can search the entire state and federal trademark
records off Compuserve by GO TRADEMARK. There is a stiff fee for
this service but for 25 bucks I can search any mark in the US and
be reasonably assured the mark will go through with a minimum of
wasted time. Biggest hassle is the pen and ink drawing - you'd
have that part licked.
Msg #6375 Dated 7:58:31 02-03-91 -> 6379
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: MAGIC!-NL
HELP!!
Called up NL three times. Get a "connect" but nothing happens. Once got
a runnaway screen with high level ascii junk. Any hints on making the
connection. Still using early procomm.
Msg #6376 Dated 9:10:48 02-03-91 6370 <--> 6384
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Er, Max, I got that part. But he also said that he was able to
videotape the class.
Msg #6377 Dated 9:13:03 02-03-91 6372 <--> 6383
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
I'm not sure I understand why you feel that way. Are you suggesting
that there is some potential for damage to their psychies? Or that
they are unable to understand?
Msg #6379 Dated 9:17:28 02-03-91 6375 <--> 6381
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC!-NL
Er, I don't know what you were having happen with MAGIC-NL. When I
called it worked fine. It sounds like somehow the modems failed to
"handshake" properly. Sometimes weird timing problems happen on the
satelites. I don't think either your modem or ProComm are at fault -
more likely to be sunspots. Also, of course, MAGIC-NL is just getting
going and it could be that it "glitched." Maybe try again in a day or
so?
Msg #6380 Dated 9:27:01 02-03-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: MCMC
Sure, run it by Dan for Sat morning.
Msg #6381 Dated 9:28:34 02-03-91 6379 <--> 6657
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC!-NL
Er, OK.
Msg #6382 Dated 11:32:20 02-03-91 -> 6403
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: NL
I logged onto MAGIC-NL this morning (after getting one busy signal) but
I had all kinds of problems getting "approved" and didn't, but that's
the way machines are... So I left a message to Arnaud to DELETE all my
entries (questionaire answers) and I would try again next week when I
have a new phone nr. and so on.... Guess my phone bill will be above
the satellites this time.... when I get into new digs, will checkj out
PC Persuit! Stay cool folks. and keep doubling your lifts.
Msg #6383 Dated 11:36:36 02-03-91 6372 <--> 6392
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
Could you expound on that thought a little more- that most mentalism
and most magic is inappropriate for children? From what I can tell,
if you were able to tally up ALL of the magic shows being performed
today, that most of them are for children. Another one of our members
on this board has said that he has had great success doing mental
effects for children in the nine year old range. That they seem to be
much more sophisticated than we give them credit for. At that age I
don't think believing in magic is much different from believing in
Santa Claus. What do you think??
Msg #6384 Dated 11:43:47 02-03-91 6350 <--> 6385
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Sorry, I should have been more clear in what I said about the magic
class. The tapes we were shown excerpts of were not for the purpose of
replacing our instructor in the class and teaching us magic. They were
shown so we could see the quality of proroduction of the tapes and what
a valuable resource they would be for us to own. In other words, he
was encouraging us to purchase some of these tapes (and books that he
passed around) and gave us the name, address and phone numbers of
Steven's Magic Emporium, Tannens, and local magic shops. (Funny,
Abbott's address wasn't included- does anybody...)
One of the tapes was Ken Krenzel's "On The Pass". He showed us that
with the aid of a video machine we could stop and start, slow motion
etc. to see exactly how to do the pass. We didn't do that on any of
the tapes, but we were given a taste of and subsequently a hunger for
more of this medium for teaching us magic. On the basis of what I saw
I now plan to buy many of these tapes as do the other students.
Therefore Stevens and Tannens should send the instructor a letter of
thanks and not a subpoena.
Msg #6385 Dated 11:54:23 02-03-91 6364 <--> 6386
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
The class I taped was the advanced one. I didn't think about taping it
until during the beginning class when I was furiously taking notes and
thought how much easier it would be to video it. He said, go ahead so
I did tape the advanced class. I will send him a copy and if he likes
it I will tape his beginning class also.
Msg #6386 Dated 11:59:19 02-03-91 6370 <--> 6395
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Max, you read my message too fast. I did say I was allowed to video
tape the class. To me that really made it worth more than it was.
Msg #6387 Dated 12:04:25 02-03-91 6360 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID SACKS
Re: MAGIC BOOKS
I live north of the Burbank area in Sun Valley. I am a relative
new commer to magic so my bookshelf is only a bit over two feet wide.
I have mostly basic books but some good quality ones such as the Vernon
Chronicles. I saw Dai up in the Castle library early last year and I
wished I would have had them with me in case he would have autographed
them. Not much chance of that now. Anyway, the next one I want to
read is Ultra Cervon, and only because I saw his lecture which was
taken almost entirely from that book. Truly miraculous stuff.
Msg #6388 Dated 12:33:53 02-03-91 6253 <--> 6389
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Wayne, do you get to the Castle often? I could perhaps leave
it at the front desk for you (a bit simpler than mailing).
Let me know if that would be a good idea.
Msg #6389 Dated 12:37:15 02-03-91 6265 <--> 6394
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TELEVISION
David, at least you have the videos!
Part of what I do for Inside Magic is gather info on magic on
TV. We put it on the Hotline or in the issue. Sometimes really
great stuff I'd love to see. But since we're always working ahead,
I've forgotten about it by the time it gets on! I'll have to
work on being more efficient in that regard!!
Msg #6390 Dated 12:44:34 02-03-91 6121 <-
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: DAVID DUGGIE (X)
Re: LITTLE ROCK MAGIC MUSEUM
David, this sounds terrific! Wish I could travel about more!
Would it be possible to get any promo material or flyer on the
museum? If it's available (and you don't mind sending it along)
could you send it to me c/o Inside Magic, 4067 Hardwick St., Suite 322,
Lakewood, CA 90712.
THANK YOU!
Msg #6392 Dated 14:06:09 02-03-91 6349 <--> 6393
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
I don't recall implying that this was a "new experience" for you, Max.
My interest was in having you share with us some of your insights
regarding performance in a comedy club. So you draw your own crowd and
don't rely on the comedy club demographic...but certainly there is SOME
spillover.
Msg #6393 Dated 14:10:46 02-03-91 6354 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KID SHOWS...
Yes, Pete...I'm fully aware of that. I've performed at both clubs
myself as well as on NBC.
Msg #6394 Dated 14:13:34 02-03-91 6388 <--> 6405
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PATRICE MOORE
Re: TELEVISION
I usually get to the castle at least twice a week. I'll be there today
for the lecture and tonight as well. thanks.
Msg #6395 Dated 15:32:09 02-03-91 6384 <--> 6404
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Nice to hear that. I had not done anything as to sending a Warning note
out to Joe. Next chance I'll tell him the classes are probably boosting
sales. Keep at it!
Msg #6397 Dated 17:28:02 02-03-91 6357 <--> 6399
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
Pete:
When you mentioned contacting Harbins widow, something stuck my mind,
I had thought I read she had died a few years ago.
Looking through my old issues of Genie, I found it, she passed away on
November 30th, 1882. This is in the January 1983 Genii, Page 72.
Maybe someone can get in touch with her (and his) estate.
Bayard Grimshaw wrote the obit, so if he is still alive, maybe he would
have some information.
Rikker
Msg #6398 Dated 19:27:00 02-03-91 -> 6407
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SYSOP
Re: CHILDREN
The issue comes down to what the purpose of the performance art known
as magic really is. It has nothing to do with belief systems per se,
and (so far as I'm concerned) little relationship to the over-used term
"wonder" that crops up all too frequently in contemporary discussions.
To me, magic is an important element in contemporary culture, for
the primary reason that it shakes the observer/participant out of the
complacent mindset that inevitay accompanies technological complexity,
and provides a reminder as to how significant an amount of mystery
still imbues the day-to-day cycle.
Of course, children don't need this reminder; they haven't learned
to ignore mystery yet. Hence, for the most part magic is wasted on
them.
Msg #6399 Dated 21:01:31 02-03-91 6397 <--> 6401
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
Thanks for the info. I did not know that Dolly had passed away.
Actually the way thing go there is probably little that can be done
anyway. I will bring it up with a few people that might know.
Msg #6401 Dated 21:19:53 02-03-91 6399 <--> 6415
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
Well, I know from my software dealing that a copywrite will last for I
think 75 years after the copyright author has passed away.
The big thing is, was the idea or was the method copywrited? Also,
remeber the Harbin cabnit has a piece of wood between the top and
middle sections and the girl had to bend down to get in. Would that
make a difference, as all the zig-zags that I know dont have that piece
of wood.
Rikker
Msg #6403 Dated 21:58:06 02-03-91 6382 <--> 6417
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NL
Arnaud has a pretty clever idea with that questionnaire. Just enough
to make sure the magi are magi. Well thought out. But, yeah, I was
tempted to say that double lift refered to a building with two
elevators.
Msg #6404 Dated 22:01:10 02-03-91 6385 <--> 6412
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
As you probably know from previous discussions, I like the idea of
being able to tape a class. It provides a very much improved set of
notes. Your mentioning that the instructor allowed it has definitely
encouraged me to take the class. Thanks.
Msg #6405 Dated 22:03:58 02-03-91 6389 <--> 6410
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE
Re: TELEVISION
I think that the info on upcoming magic on TV is truly one of the
strong features of Inside Magic. I wondered how Stan got that stuff.
Now I guess we know! You do it! Great stuff.
My collection of magic videos is not large. I was refering more to the
pattern I had of taping old movies and such like for "time shifting."
Originally, I thought that meant days, turns out that it means years.
I also buy a lot of videos, particularly discs. Lately though, with a
two year old around, the collection has tended to expand in the
direction of Bambi. He has a magic video that General Mills put out
for kids, with Dan Witkowski, and it is perfect for kids. He demands
it at least once a day and is trying to do the tricks from it. I must
also report, however, that he wasn't enthralled by Max's Mindgames,
although he was impressed with Max.
Msg #6407 Dated 22:12:54 02-03-91 6398 <--> 6411
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CHILDREN
So you aren't saying that magic or the sense of magic will damage
children. Sigh of relief on this end.
Your point of view is a good one and very worthy of consideration, but
I think it is limited as well. Magic, as a performing art, may serve
more than the purpose you gave.
Msg #6409 Dated 23:15:45 02-03-91 -> 6422
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-12
The twelfth set of MAGIC! messages - #5500 (Jan. 16, 1991) to
#5499 (Jan. 25, 1991) - has been transfered to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-12.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the twelfth
volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the
PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed
version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-12.ZIP and less
than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
This set of messages includes Geno Munari's Aces, the forth Kaps
letter, a discussion of Anneman's life and his mysterious last
postcards, and a report on the first MAGIC! luncheon. There is,
of course, also a lot of magic news and chit-chat. Not only will
transfering these messages to a file make it easier for you to
obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the search for new
messages easier and faster.
Msg #6410 Dated 0:04:00 02-04-91 6405 <--> 6420
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TELEVISION
When I mentioned in an earlier message that "Mindgames" was
specifically created to appeal to a wide range of ages, I did not have
two-year-olds in mind.
Msg #6411 Dated 0:05:40 02-04-91 6407 <--> 6431
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CHILDREN
I am fully aware that my philosophy on this is not universal. However,
the issue of _purpose_ is one which has largely been ignored in the
already-sparse amount of literature covering theoretical (as opposed to
technical) aspects of this art.
So, do you have a better suggestion? (I'm off to Chicago in a few
hours, so will not be able to continue this conversation until later
this week.)
Msg #6412 Dated 1:22:31 02-04-91 6384 <--> 6414
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
The fact remains that this instructor apparently showed the tapes
without permission of the copyright holders. What his motivation might
have been, and indeed the results of his showing them in whole or in
very small part, is IRRELEVANT. Otherwise, any person could use
copyrighted material -- such as the STAR WARS characters for example --
and try to argue that their use "created interest" and new customers
for the copyright owners. It simply doesn't work that way; you have to
ask FIRST, and then be granted permission -- and it is best if both
sides of this are in writing.
Msg #6414 Dated 6:48:27 02-04-91 6412 <--> 6418
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
For published works copyrighted prior to 1/1/78 the
duration of same is 28 years and could be renewed for an addl 28.
For works after this date it lasts 50 years after the authors
death. In the case of joint copyright this applies to the death
of the last partner. This 50 year rule is consistent with other
countries who've entered into copyright treaties with the USA.
In the case of anonymous works, works made for hire,
and pseudonymous works the copyright endures for 75 years from
its first publication or a term 100 years from its creation
(whichever comes first).
Although a copyright owner has certain excclusive rights,
there are some limitations that Congress has imposed that are
referred to as "fair use." There are certain advantages that
libraries and "non-profit" educational associations enjoy that do
not constitute infringement. The library and educational "fair
use" rules apply only when there is no commercial advantage
gained or the library is open to the public.
Msg #6415 Dated 10:14:54 02-04-91 6401 <--> 6426
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
I really don't know about the legal stuff, but I would guess all the
PINCHERS make "some kind of improvement" - better hinges, different
wood? It is probably a lost cause.
Msg #6417 Dated 10:17:05 02-04-91 6403 <--> 6434
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: NL
Not Madonna's wardrobe?
Msg #6418 Dated 10:17:26 02-04-91 6404 <--> 6419
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
I have taped lectures (with adhesive!) Jus' kiddin' bwana
Msg #6419 Dated 10:18:11 02-04-91 6412 <--> 6432
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Good point TA. Anybody that goes to the class should SUGGEST the
instructor write or call Joe Stevens and I am sure he would gladly OK
it. His address is in the file, under ABBOTT's.
Msg #6420 Dated 10:19:57 02-04-91 6410 <--> 6430
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TELEVISION
Lighten up guys!
Msg #6422 Dated 10:22:05 02-04-91 6409 <--> 6436
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC-12
Cheez.... 12.... I am gonna have to spend some time online as I only
transfered 1 and 2 so far.... ergggggg
Back to the boxes.
Msg #6424 Dated 11:19:31 02-04-91 6299 <--> 6441
From: MARVIN STERN
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: GEN. SCHWARZKOPF
Next door to Abbott's?
Msg #6425 Dated 11:23:47 02-04-91 6344 <--> 6560
From: MARVIN STERN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THE LUCKIEST...
Yep...
Getting better. Any more?
Msg #6426 Dated 11:54:35 02-04-91 6415 <--> 6563
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARIN
Probably so. Good luck moving!
Msg #6427 Dated 12:06:32 02-04-91 6166 <--> 6428
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NAME
tabman
As I recall that fateful night had several elephant sized women. They
were all a little crazy too. Next time you see Ray ask him to tell you
about our escapades in Norfork, Va. during the IBM convention a few
years back. We still laugh about that one. Yes, Ray is great. We grew
up together, since the age of 7 or 8yrs. Too bad the Bills came up
short.
Anyway, Hope to see you at FFFF. As I said, I'll only be there briefly.
I have to leave for Cincinatti during the convention. But will be there
for the first part of it.
HJC
Msg #6428 Dated 13:38:46 02-04-91 6427 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: NAME
Good.
Msg #6429 Dated 13:38:57 02-04-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MY KIND OF TOWN
Be sure and say hello to Windy for me.
Msg #6430 Dated 14:02:50 02-04-91 6410 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TELEVISION
I would hate to parse that sentence! And it is difficult to believe
that there was something you didn't have in mind. But I can understand
that two-year-olds might not understand it.
Msg #6431 Dated 14:06:29 02-04-91 6411 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CHILDREN
You are handing me a heavy assignment that I'm not certain I'm prepared
for. I suspect, however, that there is no single _universal_ purpose
to magic as a performing art. Each spectator brings his or her own
needs to the performance. There are probably some general constructs,
yours being one of them, but they may be multifarious.
Msg #6432 Dated 14:11:38 02-04-91 6414 <--> 6433
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
I suspect that Tabby is correct - that the display of small segments of
different works in a classroom is covered under "fair use." Had the
instructor shown an entire tape directly for purposes of instruction,
the act would be defined differently.
Msg #6433 Dated 14:15:15 02-04-91 6418 <--> 6442
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
In the old days, we used adhesive tape to splice audio and video tape.
Of course, we also fixed the wire in the wire recorders by tying a
square knot.
Msg #6434 Dated 14:17:06 02-04-91 6417 <--> 6658
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NL
Hmmm... Will have to try to check that out.
Msg #6436 Dated 14:20:00 02-04-91 6422 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC-12
Yeah! It won't be long before we have to worry about what to do when
we hit MAGIC-99. Right now we average 500 messages every week to 10
days.
Msg #6438 Dated 14:51:22 02-04-91 6359 <-
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID SACKS
Re: GREETINGS
Great!! I live in the San Fernando Valley. Sepulveda/Van Nuys area to
be exact. Will give you a call.
Msg #6441 Dated 16:26:48 02-04-91 6424 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: GEN. SCHWARZKOPF
The Abbott branch in Kuwait City is temporarily closed.
Msg #6442 Dated 16:28:11 02-04-91 6432 <--> 6443
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Today I spoke with Joe Stevens. He would like the instructor to either
write or call him. He would like to know just what tapes and what
percentage is being show. He has NEVER turned anyone down that is smart
enough to ASK. He does not like it when they don't ask. He said he
really doesn't want them letting students take them home! Another
service of MAGIC!
Msg #6443 Dated 16:29:51 02-04-91 6433 <--> 6445
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
I know about wire recorders. My Uncle used to tell me the problem with
quality was the wire didn't always go back thru the same, that someone
need to come out with someting FLAT to be correct. Then the tape was
available and you know the rest of the story. He was an electronic
whiz genius in the 30s -- holds Guiness Record for most consecutive
Short Wave contacts from Oakland Calif., to someone in Australia.
Nearly five years straight without missing a single day! Man, no
vacations, no nutt'n. He had to be home before midnight every night!
Msg #6445 Dated 16:33:03 02-04-91 6404 <--> 6446
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Something I forgot to mention yesterday about the magic class. It has
been taught about once every couple of months or so for at least the
past year that I know of. I was told that as long as there were at
least three students signed up that it would not be rescheduled for a
later date. Usually there have been anywhere from four to 10 or so in
attendance.
Msg #6446 Dated 16:39:21 02-04-91 6412 <--> 6447
From: STAN LAKE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
I believe what you say about the copyright infringement is more than
likely technically true. However, if I were one of the creators of one
of those magic videos I not only wouldn't mind the instructor showing
excerpts from them I would encourage it as it would surely boost my
sales. The instructor probably ought to get a small commission!
Look at the intent here. It is not to take away business from the
video sales people by showing complete tapes. It is only to let
students know that this medium exists and what an advantage it would be
for them to go out and BUY them. Now if any dealer anywhere were to
tell him to cease and desist I'm sure the instructor would have no
problem with that. He certainly isn't receiving any economic benefit
from it. By the way, he also had several basic books on display and I
suppose the publishers might have some right to not let him do that
either. Again, these were not used for instructional purposes. They
were shown so we could see how we can learn more about magic and we
were given names and addresses of dealers that carry them. I think it
is just a technicality in this situation and given the choice he
probably wouldn't go to the trouble to secure written permission from
every dealer and publisher but would simply omit that valuable
information on display at his classes.
Msg #6447 Dated 16:55:58 02-04-91 6442 <--> 6452
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
I will write to the instructor and relay your message from Joe Stevens
concerning permission to show the tapes, etc.
Msg #6450 Dated 17:58:36 02-04-91 -> 6458
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: MONEY
As they say, "The check is in the mail." Thanks again.
Msg #6451 Dated 18:33:46 02-04-91 -> 6459
From: MARC ALAN
To: ALL
Re: HELP
Local magician needs help moving from L.A.X. area to Palmdale, on
Sunday, Feb. 10 1991. Anyone willing, please call Marc Alan at 213
337-1776 anytime. THANKS!
Msg #6452 Dated 19:32:11 02-04-91 6442 <--> 6453
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Is Joe the copyright holder of the tapes? This is getting complex -
any of our MAGIC! members happen to specialize in copyright law?
Msg #6453 Dated 19:33:06 02-04-91 6443 <--> 6454
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
That is some record your Uncle holds! I always wanted to get involved
with ham radio, but never have. Per Tabman's suggestion a few messages
back, hams DO have both radio-linked electronic communications systems
and actually have their own BBS in space! Yep, a small system (like
MAGIC!, but, of course, dealing with ham radio topics) on its own
satelite!
Wire recorders were fun. I still have my own, non-functioning, one.
The wire was .013" nichrome. It was very useful in some types of
pyrotechnic magic too. Six to twelve volts would cause it to get very
hot.
Msg #6454 Dated 19:36:39 02-04-91 6445 <--> 6468
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
I'm definitely going to look for it in the next LT schedule! Sounds
like a good class!
Msg #6458 Dated 19:43:45 02-04-91 6450 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MONEY
Oh! OK! Will keep my eye on the mail. Did I ever mention that I am
near-sighted?
Msg #6459 Dated 19:44:37 02-04-91 6451 <--> 6480
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARC ALAN (X)
Re: HELP
Afraid I myself can't make it, but it sounds like an interesting way to
meet MAGIC! members! So if anyone wants to help Marc Alan move from
L.A.X. area to Palmdale on Sunday, Feb. 10th, 1991, give him a call at
213-337-1776.
Msg #6460 Dated 19:46:50 02-04-91 -> 6482
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: LARGE CARD
I came across an interesting possible prop in the stationery store the
other day. It is a folder for keeping papers/reports in - the kind
kids use in school. But this one is a one eyed jack. Kinda generic
card back on the reverse. It measures approximately 9" x 12". There
was an assortment of such folders and one with the card image. The
manufacturer is Duo-Tang, now a division of Sheaffer Eaton. The
product line is "Big Shots" and it is item number 57682. There is a
small bar code printed on the card back.
Msg #6461 Dated 20:57:30 02-04-91 -> 6467
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: ADD TO DEALER LIST
am important addition to the dealers list in the file section:
Brad Burt's Magic Shop
4688 Convoy Street #109
San Diego, CA 92111
(619) 571-4749
--
Brad has excellent taste, is very helpful, carries some unique items
(like a cigarette through card gaff that you wouldn't believe), and is
a must addition to the dealers list.
Msg #6462 Dated 21:30:59 02-04-91 6146 <--> 6464
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: FUNDRAISER ANNOUNCEMENT
Just a reminder that the deadline for ordering your autographed copy of
_FOCUS_ by Phil Goldstein is Coming up In a few days (Feb 9). Proceeds
will help support MAGIC! To get your copy send $25.00+$2.50 postage and
handling to:
Burt Carpenter
23900 Ironwood Ave B126
Moreno Valley, CA 92387
I'm a bit surprised that with all the publicity here on MAGIC!
regarding _FOCUS_ that there have not been ANY orders. For other books
and videos available see the file BOOKSALE.TXT
Msg #6464 Dated 21:40:39 02-04-91 6462 <--> 6465
From: RICHARD HART
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: FUNDRAISER ANNOUNCEMENT
Well, to tell you the truth, Burt, I think most of the members of
Magic! (myself included) have already purchased FOCUS. For those that
haven't, however, I would DEFINATELY recommend that they take you up on
your offer. FOCUS is well worth the price. In fact, at $27.50 for a
signed copy, it's a steal!
Msg #6465 Dated 21:51:29 02-04-91 6464 <--> 6598
From: RICHARD HART
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: FUNDRAISER ANNOUNCEMENT
You know, Burt, come to think of it, the offer IS just too good to pass
up. I'll pop you a check in the mail for a Max-scrawled FOCUS
post-haste. Who cares if I have two copies of FOCUS anyway? Perhaps,
a few years hence, I can trade the unsigned copy at a Castle swap meet
for a dog-eared original of Scot's Discovery of Witchcraft, eh?
Msg #6466 Dated 22:56:40 02-04-91 -> 6484
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! SYSTEM
We just did an upgrade of the MAGIC! program. As a user, you should
see no changes. If, however, you had changed your user parameters
(maybe while exploring one day) to include a "prompt bell," then you
will find your system beeping a lot. If you did make this change, and
if you want to change back, just select U for User Parms from the Main
Menu and turn the Prompt Bell off.
If you do experience any problems, please notify me, either by a
comment to the sysop here on MAGIC!, or by calling (during normal
Pacific Time business hours) at 818-899-8812. Thanks.
Msg #6467 Dated 23:00:21 02-04-91 6461 <--> 6483
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ADD TO DEALER LIST
Thanks! That dealer list is really obsolete. Maybe someday we will
compile a new one. Meanwhile, Brad Burt is a MAGIC! member!
Msg #6468 Dated 1:47:57 02-05-91 6432 <--> 6469
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Fair use is usually interpreted as quoting of small segments for review
-- unless this instructor is not charging for the lessons, I would say
his is a very questionable situation. There is also the point that it
would have been very little trouble for him to contact Stevens and make
sure it is OK BEFORE he started the classes.
Msg #6469 Dated 1:51:06 02-05-91 6446 <--> 6470
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
It seems to me that it is possible to interpret the intent as being
that of wanting to enhance the value of the class by showing parts of
videos, making the class more desireable and thus more profitable for
the instructor. Again -- INTENT does not matter; it is irrelevant.
Intellectual property is just as real as any other kind -- and if
someone comes into my apartment and steals my TV set, it doesn't matter
if he's doing it so he can show the neighborhood kids Sesame Street.
Msg #6470 Dated 7:04:20 02-05-91 6469 <--> 6472
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Whenever a question of fairness arises everyone has a
different idea, but the following criteria are what the court
looks at to make a decision:
1. The purpose and character of the use (intent?),
including whether such use has a commercial nature or is
nonprofit educational uses. The court will allow more leeway if
not for commercial gain.
2. The nature of the copyrighted work. There is less
chance to use a work with only entertainment value vs. something
with social benefit. If the nature of the work is educational or
intellectual it is more likely to be considered fair use.
3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in
relation to the copyrighted work as a whole. It may be
permissible to take some parts of the other persons work, but you
cannot take too much. The more you take the more you're in
jeopardy of infringement.
4. The effect of the use on the potential market for, or
value of the copyrighted work. Here the question is, "How much
damage in lost business will the owner suffer as a consequence of
someone using the work to detract from sales.
Since the teacher used excerpts as examples of what is
available to the magic buying public I would imagine that this
constitutes fair use.
My source of information is the Revised Copyright Act of
1976 which came into effect in 1978 and preempts the Copyright
Act of 1909 and common law and "Patents, Copyrights, and
Trademarks" by Foster and Shook. Addl information on copyrights
may be obtained by writing the Copyright Office, Library of
Congress, Washington, DC 20559.
Msg #6472 Dated 8:14:33 02-05-91 6470 <--> 6475
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
I agree that it might have been in everyone's best interest if the
instructor had checked with the copyright holder prior to using the
segments. As Tabman has pointed out (and neither of us are lawyers nor
are we attempting in any way, shape, or form to pretend to be providing
legal advice) the manner in which the segments were presented is very
likely to qualify under "fair use." Granted that the instructor is
being paid by a training organization, so are all instructors at
non-profit institutions. The instructor does not derive additional
revenue due to showing the material.
Msg #6474 Dated 8:20:33 02-05-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW FILE
We may have to create a section for magic related games! Jim Sisti has
just uploaded a mahjongg game with tiles that reflect a magical
interest. He says that one even relates to MAGIC!
At the moment, due to some constraints, I haven't been able to review
this file personally. But I wanted to get it posted without undo
delay.
The file is in the MAGIC! files area as MAHJONGG.ZIP It will require
the PKUNZIP program to uncompress it once you have downloaded it.
Enjoy!
Msg #6475 Dated 9:59:35 02-05-91 6446 <--> 6476
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
TA -- I spoke with Joe Stevns about it yesterday and what he likes is
a COURTESY call from the instructors, et al, and he is happy to grant
permission. What he HOPES does not happen is the LOAN out of the tapes
so copies can be made. He acknowledges viewing by magicians is GOOD
ADVERTISING and boosts sales.
Msg #6476 Dated 10:01:00 02-05-91 6447 <--> 6477
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
Great. Note my message 6475. Gracias.
Msg #6477 Dated 10:01:27 02-05-91 6452 <--> 6479
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
If it is one of his tapes, yep.
Msg #6479 Dated 10:02:54 02-05-91 6470 <--> 6489
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
TA -- nice to see there are members of MAGIC! (many) that really know
what they are talking about. I guess when I get re-located in a few
days I will be starting magic classes too. Got to pay 2 mortgages now!
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg.
Msg #6480 Dated 10:04:16 02-05-91 6451 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARC ALAN (X)
Re: HELP
I'll trade you help, move me from Gualala to Walnut Creek... Just
kidding, good luck in your move and hope you do gegt some aid. I got a
call from a guy on the Photo Forum of Compuserve that lives in the
neighbaorhood I am moving to and he's going to assisst if I ned help.
HOpe he can help me spell!
Msg #6482 Dated 10:07:02 02-05-91 6460 <--> 6512
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: LARGE CARD
hMMMMMM READ BAR CODE?
Msg #6483 Dated 10:07:26 02-05-91 6461 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ADD TO DEALER LIST
We should file that with Abbotts.
Msg #6484 Dated 10:08:39 02-05-91 6466 <--> 6513
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! SYSTEM
I want to hear all teh bells I can. Now, can you add some whistles?
Did you see CHER at the Mirage on TV last ngiht? I saw part of it. I
wonder if some of the elevators, etc. are from Siegfried and Roy's
scenery? Bot they went all out in sceneery, lighyts, etc. And to think
I wanted to do a TV of the Stevens Seminar for Showtime and the Mirage
people said "we don't want and don't need TV" Hah. Well, fooooooy on
the Mirage.
Msg #6486 Dated 10:12:32 02-05-91 -> 6515
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: BELLS AND WHISTLES
I have just set my prompts to hear bells ringing. Now at least I will
know where they come from. I have asked David to add some whistles so
MAGIC! will have all the bells and whistles!
Have you seen the commercial for answering machines using a dummy
machine with Bells and Whistles on it? I would like to have a magic
prop like that. I do have one SIMILAR. You put a deck oif cards into
it, press silly buttons and throw fake switches and the deck flies out
the other end. What it does is switch from a straight deck to a
Brainwave deck. The machine supposedly turns the spectators mentally
selected card over and changes the color of its back.
Are you listenin' TABMAN... Boy a nice rose wood uniet would make uyoiu
the only one in the world with one.
I forget who made this for me. It was written up in ABRA Donkey's
years ago. If anybody else knows of this prop and who made it lemme
know. I am in the early stages of -- er the disease, I forget its name
-- that relates to your memory... I
think? --- oh ho line noise is hittin my screen, bye bye
Msg #6487 Dated 10:54:59 02-05-91 -> 6516
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: TABMA STUFF
OK. I'm just about finished with the frame and then will
have the mat professionally cut and mounted under non reflective
glass.
The frame is of antique mahogany shaped here in the
tabman shop. It resembles a Thayer Handkerchief Frame. Since the
shaper bit is a standard cutter I doubt if I'm stepping on
anybodys toes. Also, I didn't set out to copy the Thayer shape
never having given a handkerchief frame much thought. It was
recently pointed out to me by Howie Schwarzman on a visit after
viewing a couple pieces of my frame art. Later in his magic
dungeon he showed me an original Thayer frame and he's right.
Even the antique oil finish I use here makes this stuff look 50
years old. I probably saw one in an old GENII ad when I was a kid
and was struck by its' beauty.....Anyway, sue me if you think I'm
wrong.
The FRAME is NOT the thing. Its what it's displaying that
really matters. Rest assured that this frame will show its'
contents off in a classy manner befitting and crafted with much
respect to both Joe Berg and Theo. Bamberg and the donor of said
instrument. His or her donation of this gift to MAGIC! will
remain a secret for now (not me).
WHAT IT IS? is a check drawn on the Amalgamated Trust &
Savings Bank, Chicago, Ill April 30, 1949 for $41.95 made out to
and endorsed on the back by THEO. BAMBERG. The check has printed
in the upper left corner BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO, 30 W. Washington
St. and is signed by JOE BERG. Check #930. Cool, huh! Why was
money exchanging hands? Did Okito finish some Berg magic? Berg
buy some appartus? If any information comes to light I will share
it with you, of course.
Framed size will be about 10x13 (inches) and will have
the front of the check showing, bevel matted and carrying a lazer
copy of the reverse signature showing in a window beneath the
check.
To me this is a pretty cool piece of magic history and
framed in antique mahogany in a traditional magic style will be
nice. Wish could I bid, but I'll have to let this one go by and
hope that the hands that finally hold this will respect and enjoy
as much as I have during the brief time it is here at tabman
springs. Bidding will commence next week as soon as I have the
finished piece in my hands. I will post a notice then but wanted
to avoid putting a long descriptive up at that time. As usual all
proceeds will go to M! World HDQ to help MAGIC! meet its' fiscal
needs.
As the world crumbles about us we are building bridges
across time and space. A private window into the great computer
network for those with a passion for magic. This Magic is a broad
and diverse field with destiny being the common bond. It is
fitting now that ancient should embrace and become future..
Say, what was in those cookies, honey?
Msg #6489 Dated 11:05:21 02-05-91 6479 <--> 6493
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
holy s---! that hurts. Maybe you should teach a magic class.
Msg #6491 Dated 14:16:35 02-05-91 -> 6495
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARD BOX
Vbeen calling the number at the Pentagon for the last
four days. It's the press atache ## I guess. Got it from the dept
of army. 703-697-5737. I told them I was a reporter for the
magicians network and that I heard the good general is one. I
warned her that it might sound a little strange at first and it
took a minit for her to wake up but she finally gave me that
##...but it is always busy. I'll keep trying. Somebody else try,
I don't care. Might be good for bad moral in the Iraqi army if
they found out our big general had a mystical side as well. Give
it a shot.
Guess you're in the middle of relocating. Got a thrash
(speed metal) band in the studio. Noticed the bass player has
stopped wearing his black beret since sadam beat him to tv with
it. I was wondering if he'd have it on. GI boots too. Today he's
got on a t-shirt and sneakers. The property is rockin. Most of
the dogs have come in the house though.
I cut some rosewood the other day and find I need a finer
carbide blade to get that glassy cut. Found one for 200 bucks in
a catalog. Good stuff. The walnut and cherry I'm using now came
from an old lumber mill in West Virginia for making a coupla
tabman tables. Found a co that makes antique type marquetry so I
got some and really love it for certain things.
I love card boxes of all sorts. The one you describe
sounds so cool. I can just see the action. Did you say that
somewhere you have said box? I hope to see one of the great
apparatus collections someday. I would love to see a book on
antique wooden appratus with scale drawings, etc sort of like a
class antique furniture building book. The pictures and
descriptions in Hoffmann are quite good though and he does
provide some detail. I have stuff like the Osborne series, the
Wells books, would love to have The Harbin Book. It is almost
sacred. Howie showed his to me, but I couldn't make myself open
it to take a peek. Don't ask me why.
Msg #6492 Dated 14:44:14 02-05-91 -> 6499
From: MARVIN STERN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: S.A.M.
In looking over the mailing list of The Los Angeles Wand, published by
SAM Assembly 22, I see that you are on it. As Treasurer and Member-
ship chairperson, I want to personally invite yo to a meeting. The
meeting is held on the first Monday of the month, at the Alhambra
Community Hospital's Community Room, 100 S. Raymond Ave., Alhambra.
Anyone else interested is certainly welcome. Hope to see you there.
Msg #6493 Dated 16:23:46 02-05-91 6489 <--> 6494
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
I need some kind of lessons mine self! Two more days in this locale and
I is off to new digs, or a new crib, depending on which Bass Soloist
you are listin' to.
Msg #6494 Dated 16:24:10 02-05-91 6454 <--> 6496
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
When you meet the instructor, tell him I said "HI!" He'll be sure to
remember me, Stan the Cameraman.
Msg #6495 Dated 16:25:40 02-05-91 6491 <--> 6518
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CARD BOX
If you get to the Left Coast for any length of time (a couple of hours)
I will see if I can get you into see Doc Albo's wooden stuff (Okito
especially) argggggg
Msg #6496 Dated 16:26:36 02-05-91 6469 <--> 6501
From: STAN LAKE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC CLASS
OK, - point well taken. That's what helps make this world an
interesting place- everyone has a different point of view.
Msg #6497 Dated 16:26:41 02-05-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: BELLS AND WHISTLES
Hey, it is MORE FUN to go into Params and set it so you hear the bells
ring whilst on line heah! Do it Tab, might get the right combo of
notes to whip out a tune.... My fav right now is "My Future's So Bright
I Gotta Wear Shades!" Also like Michael Bolton and Travelling
Willburys, After Quade of course! Oh, maybe didn't start like it but
much of this message is for the Tabman.
Msg #6499 Dated 16:50:58 02-05-91 6492 <--> 6519
From: STAN LAKE
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: S.A.M.
Looks like I missed the S.A.M. meeting held last night then. I'll have
to look on my Thomas Guide to find out where Alhambra is. I've heard
of it but I'm still not very familiar with the Southern California area
other then the route from my house to the Castle and a couple of magic
shops. Meetings in the middle of the week are difficult for me to
attend since I have to rise at 5:00 am every morning and unfortunately
I don't function very well on less than 8 hours sleep. (I am envious
of people like my father who can blast full throttle all day long and
do just fine on 4 hours of rest a night!)
If it is not too far from home I will try to attend at least one
meeting as soon as I can. Thanks for the offer!
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