MAGIC! - 15 

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Copyright 1991, 1997 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved.

Msg #7000  Dated  0:40:25  02-15-91  -> 7001
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To:   ALL
Re:   VEGAS UPDATE

Melinda, The First Lady of Magic just opened tonight at the Sahara,
replacing the longest running show on the strip! Good work!
She's come a long way since I first saw her at Bourbon Street in the
Cabaret show a short 3 years ago.
  When coming to Las Vegas, look for the opening of Mr. Clown's
"MAGIC TOUCH", a combination of magic, clowning, and collectibles of
all kinds.  It should be an interesting experience. So drop in and see
his collection of Magic and Circus posters and other wonders.  I will
be publishing a newsletter for him in the near future and will be more
than happy to send one to any Magic! member who is interested.  Just
post you address (privately if desired) to me RE:MAGIC TOUCH.
  Well, another one is hooked!  Even my 7 year old son Benjamin is
playing Magic Mah Jongg.  He spotted Max Maven on sight!
Good work, Jim!  PS: My wifes lawyer will be in touch soon.
  Hope to see you all at Desert Magic in March,
                                     David

Msg #7001  Dated  1:47:04  02-15-91  7000 <--> 7005
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To:   ALL
Re:   VEGAS UPDATE

Correction to MSG 7000: It will be called "This Magic Moment" not magic
touch. send replies to "Magic Moment".  Sorry!  Dave

Msg #7002  Dated  4:50:37  02-15-91  -> 7010
From: BEN POLONOWSKI
To:   ALL
Re:   NEW

I I AM BEN POLONOWSKI I LIVE IN ROCKFORD MICHIGAN I AM IN SIXTH GRADE
I REALLY ENJOY MAGIC
!

sg #7003  Dated  7:37:21  02-15-91  -> 7006
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

        I have seen a number of "pans" in the Genii review
columns. Granted that oftimes the reviews are somewhat flowery,
however if you know the reviewer and can "read between the lines"
you can get the information you desire. Whenever McComb sez he
read the book through and couldn't put it down I know he liked
it.
        Bill Larsen has always been of the view (like my own dad)
that if you didn't have anything good to say about someone then
its better not to say anything at all. I haven't always followed
this rule, but sometimes sure wish I had. With Dante at the helm
I would imagine we'll see a more streetwise approach to Genii
journalism as time goes by.



Msg #7004  Dated  8:04:52  02-15-91  -> 7026
From: MICHAEL OVERLY
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   THE NEW "MAGIC MENU"

Hello,
    I am not familiar with your publication.  Can you give me a little
more information on what audience it serves.  I do mostly close-up.

Msg #7005  Dated  8:22:57  02-15-91  7000 <--> 7009
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re:   VEGAS UPDATE

Thanks for the report on doings in Vegas.  Please put me on that MAGIC!
list for the new newsletter - P. O. Box 900, Arleta, Ca. 91334.  Desert
Magic should be a knockout this year - MAGIC!'s special session is
scheduled for 9 a.m. on Friday.  It will be MAGIC!'s Official First
Anniversary Celebration.  (For those who haven't registered for Desert
Magic - contact Joe Stevens (316-683-9582) immediately - I don't know,
but there may be a very few places left).

Msg #7006  Dated  9:04:49  02-15-91  -> 7015
From: PETE BIRO
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

You should all get your hands of "The Best of Crandall" if you want to
see some reviews that had substance. No question a reviewer's track
record, likes, dislikes, etc. must be taken into account.

Msg #7007  Dated  9:07:00  02-15-91  -> 7018
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

Too bad you can't send messages to someone NOT online... give that task
to your techies.... hehehheheh.... actually Compuserve has a Post
Office link now....

Msg #7009  Dated  9:10:10  02-15-91  7000 <--> 7011
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re:   VEGAS UPDATE

Today is the deadline for entries in the Magic Seminar "People's
Choice" competition... and yesterday... some Killer Acts' tapes arrived
in Wichita... we had already picked 8, with 4 to go... Richard Diamond,
who had been accepted, had to withdraw. Two European acts have JUST
sent tapes and Joe says "look out"... I will see them in a day or twod,
two, and cast my vote. We will know the final list by Thursday next.

Msg #7010  Dated  9:12:48  02-15-91  7002 <--> 7468
From: PETE BIRO
To:   BEN POLONOWSKI
Re:   NEW

Nice to hear from you Ben. Did you  write the message by yourself? If
so, keep up the good work. I couldn't type until I was about 15!

Msg #7011  Dated 10:27:30  02-15-91  7000 <--> 7020
From: MARVIN STERN
To:   DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re:   VEGAS UPDATE

I would appreciate receiving a copy of The Magic Moment.  Please send
to me at 1026 N. Highland Ave., Hollywood, Ca. 90038.  Thanks much.

Msg #7012  Dated 11:25:10  02-15-91  -> 7021
From: MARVIN STERN
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN
Re:   GAME

Do you know how to stop an Iraqi bingo game?  Stand up and yell
B-52.
Really hate to sign my name to this.   On my way to the castle for
lunch and then down to Newport for the week-end.  Have a good one too.
And to all the members of MAGIC.

Msg #7014  Dated 14:05:49  02-15-91
From: MARVIN STERN
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN
Re:   LUNCH

- The Castle lunch menu mentioned that you were going to be there, but
by the time 12:45 we went downstairs to the close-up room, you hadn't
arrived.  Trust you had fun.

Msg #7015  Dated 14:38:06  02-15-91  7003 <--> 7017
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

I agree.  In fact, personally, I agree with both Bill Larsen and your
dad.  That, however, is on a PERSONAL level.  When paying readers are
expecting and, in fact, depending on your publication for information
and HONEST reviews, these other requirements must take precedence.
The personal trait you attribute to Bill Larsen is, in my opinion, one
of the major reasons for the Castle's success.  Bill is a good
businessman and a genuinely nice guy...(we need more like him)...but I
think that he can turn some of the reviewers loose without being
personally responsible for the content of every review.  In fact, I'm
sure that this is precisely what is gradually taking place and that
GENII will continue to grow and prosper because of it.

Msg #7016  Dated 14:51:11  02-15-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   MAX MAVEN (X)
Re:   CONGRATS

I meant to type this to you yesterday, but the sad news about Al
Goshman got me sidetracked.
Anyway...
I did enjoy your ad in yesterday's trades.  Hope it achieves what you
want it to.

Msg #7017  Dated 16:01:25  02-15-91  7015 <--> 7028
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

        Personally, I crave honest book reviews as I use them for
adding to our library. Here on MAGIC! I've gotten some good
advice generally from contributors about books to add as the
Burger books, Roth Coin Book, etc. I've depended on the three
volumes of the FLEMMING BOOK REVIEWS to preview older books and
wish someone would again undertake something like the Flemmings
did decades ago and like I said, McComb's reviews in Genii.
        Also like Max Maven's policy for his product reviews in
Genii as well as Jeff Busby's writings in Thaumaturgist, etc.
Like you said, when the reviewer becomes a known comodity then
you have some idea of where he/she is coming from and can
hopefully make an intelligent choice.



Msg #7018  Dated 19:55:36  02-15-91  7007 <--> 7032
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

Actually, at one time, before CompuServe started doing it, we gave a
few moments thought to an interlink.  We were able to access Dialog
(which did not have its public service at the time), the electronic
post office system, telex, etc.  But we dropped the plan and the others
got into it.  So far I'm glad we didn't.  The thing with Martin and
Ammar is that they are supposedly poised and ready - both with "time on
their hands," rather literally - and I think they each need a known
friend to make the final push.

Msg #7020  Dated 20:01:05  02-15-91  7009 <--> 7024
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   VEGAS UPDATE

Speaking of which, Pete, do you have the final schedule for Desert
Magic for Thursday?  I've been asked to do a speach for a significant
group and might have to arrive late.  Could you post Thursday's sched.
online?

Msg #7021  Dated 20:02:39  02-15-91  7012 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   MARVIN STERN (X)
Re:   GAME

I was supposed to be at the Castle for lunch today.  Think my name was
even on the menu.  But the 10:30 to 11:30 meeting ended at 2:30.  Oh,
well.

Msg #7023  Dated 20:11:39  02-15-91
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re:   ALBERT GOSHMAN DIES

This is truly sad news. I can't go into a restaurant and see a salt
shaker without thinking of him. I know thousands of amatuers cut their
magic "teeth" on a set of Goshman sponge balls. We are all indebted to
Al.

Msg #7024  Dated 20:15:59  02-15-91  7001 <--> 7103
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re:   VEGAS UPDATE

I'd love to get a copy of your newsletter. You know the address.

Msg #7025  Dated 20:17:00  02-15-91  -> 7027
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   ALL
Re:   LIGHTER SIDE

With the passing of so many magicians of late all I can say is that
there must be one heck of a magic convention going on in heaven.
 May God bless the families that are left behind.

Msg #7026  Dated 20:18:07  02-15-91  7004 <--> 7034
From: JIM SISTI
To:   MICHAEL OVERLY (X)
Re:   THE NEW "MAGIC MENU"

"The Magic Menu" is aimed primarily at magicians who work
professionally in restaurants and bars, though most any close-up worker
would be interested in our "Tricks Of The Trade" section, featuring
original magic from talent all over the country.  Our July/August issue
will be a "Ray Mertz/Forks Hotel" issue.  We also feature reviews of
the latest books and effects for the restaurant/bar specialties, plus
lots of good performance philosophy articles on the presentation of
close-up magic to a lay audience.  Hope this all helps.

Msg #7027  Dated 20:47:37  02-15-91  7025 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   LIGHTER SIDE

Amen.

Msg #7028  Dated 21:05:13  02-15-91  7017 <--> 7093
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

Absolutely, Tabman.  The problem is most acute in the case of younger
and/or less experienced magi.  They tend to take the printed word in
reviews at face value.  First, they learn that one cannot believe most
dealers' catalogue descriptions of their products, so they turn to
reviews in the magic press.  They should not be conned a second time by
"everything's rosie" and/or "I got mine for free, so I'll say good
things" reviews.

Msg #7029 Dated 21:06:05  02-15-91  -> 7035
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To:   ALL
Re:   RICK RASMUSSEN...

To all of us that hang out at the Castle, word has come to me that Rick
Rasmussen is in very bad shape. The news that Rick has been ill is not
new to us, but the information that he may be on his last legs is. From
what I understand, Rick was diagnosed recently with lung cancer, and up
to recently was hospitalized. He is now home and under morphine for the
pain. For those of us that know Rick I will post very soon an address
where we can send cards and letters...he would very much like to
recieve them. Tho not of international stature as Goshman and Slydini,
our (my) hopes and wishes go with Rick and his family. He will be
missed when he passes on.

Msg #7030  Dated 21:21:52  02-15-91  -> 7036
From: PATRICE MOORE
To:   ALL
Re:   GET A LIFE

Well, here I am. It's Friday night about 9:30 and I'm sitting
at the computer. . . I guess I need to (see subject line).

Msg #7032  Dated 22:33:21  02-15-91  -> 7037
From: PATRICE MOORE
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

Pete, Mike has been warned that having a modem creates a potential
for computer viruses. But I've been printing out your Kaps letters
and passing them along.
Harry seems to busy to breath.

Msg #7033  Dated 22:39:45  02-15-91  -> 7039
From: PATRICE MOORE
To:   EVAN KATZ (X)
Re:   OH, NOOOOO!!!

Evan, I'm sure someone online can give you the story. But Stan (Inside
Magic) had about 3 or 4 cover stories devoted to the mystery. This was
a few years back (maybe 3 or 4, again). The fellow wore a hood, starred
in a video aimed at the general public, and exposed some magic. I'm
probably wrong, but I think the exposures included a closeup trick, the
tiger and the lady, the zigzag, a sawing. He also did a couple of the
tricks and didn't expose them. The Magic Man doesn't ring a bell. . .

Msg #7034  Dated 22:54:50  02-15-91
From: PATRICE MOORE
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   THE NEW "MAGIC MENU"

Jim, I have to apologize. I printed out your message (Jan. 27) and
took it in to Stan to have a look. He is very interested in your
publication and would indeed like more info (a sample copy if
possible). I carried the printout home to remind myself to get back to
you and then lost it until today. (Duh...). I'm going to TRY and
get the March issue together (done) by this Friday (2/22). If you could
get something to us before then (only asking the impossible!) that
would be great. The address is Inside Magic, 4067 Hardwick Street,
Suite 322, Lakewood CA 90712. FAX is 213/408-2588. THANK YOU and,
again, sorry about that!

Msg #7035  Dated 23:26:29  02-15-91  7029 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re:   RICK RASMUSSEN...

Very sorry to hear about Rick Rasmussen.  Please do post his address
when it becomes available.

Magic seems to be going through some tough times.  Sure hope things
turn around soon.

Msg #7036  Dated 23:28:19  02-15-91  7030 <--> 7053
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re:   GET A LIFE

Just think of MAGIC! as a sort of semi-sequential cocktail party,
Patrice!

Msg #7037  Dated 23:30:02  02-15-91  7032 <--> 7049
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

Please tell Mike (Caveney) that a modem only creates a potential for
computer viruses if he uses it.  Seriously, it is NOT like leaving the
screen door open and letting the flys come in.  Reading and downloading
MAGIC! messages CANNOT serve as a conduit for virus.  Nor can
downloading and reading text files.  It is possible to "catch" a virus
from programs.  BUT it is NOT very likely.  We do take precautions
around here (I personally always wear rubber gloves when handling
MAGIC! diskettes) and the possibility of a virus being carried on a
MAGIC! program is pretty low.  Naturally, for legal reasons, I would
not say it is impossible, but I would suspect that the risk is not very
much higher than transmission through commercial software purchased in
stores.
Of course, if he uses his modem to engage in electronic intercourse (it
is an OK word in this context, if you don't believe me, check
Webster's) with unknown systems, then it is wise to take additional
precautions (like putting rubber gloves on his disk drives).


Webster's may be a registered trademark of the G. & C. Merriam Company.

Msg #7039  Dated 23:44:30  02-15-91  7033 <--> 7055
From: EVAN KATZ
To:   PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re:   OH, NOOOOO!!!

Re the Mystery Magician exposing "Zigzag."  I wonder if "Zigzag" is
still under copywrite by its inventor.  I forget, but someone famous
invented, Zigzag,
right?
 Sounds like someone should've sued his butt.

Msg #7040  Dated 23:49:33  02-15-91
From: EVAN KATZ
To:   ALL
Re:   MYSTERY MAGICIAN

I know this is old news, but I've been out of it a while.  Can anyone
give me the precis version of the Mystery Magician.  All I know now is
that he exposed some magic, wore a hood, and then went away.  Did
anyone sue him?  Did he expose any copywrited effects?

Msg #7045  Dated  8:21:04  02-16-91
From: PATRICE MOORE
To:   ALL
Re:   INSIDE MAGIC

Today, Saturday, I'll be at the Inside Magic world headquarters. So
if anyone needs anything relevant to IM, today would be the day to give
me a call. (213) 531-0953. I could use those addresses for the folks
in the Gulf!

Msg #7047  Dated  9:04:35  02-16-91  -> 7057
From: RICK RUHL
To:   ALL
Re:   STUFF

Boy have I been busy, let me catch up.
Tabman: Still havent heard from Dan, but we still have a year so...
I think I'm gonna go over to dad's tommrow and start work on another
illusion. Ya know, I'm think I'm going to try to find some investors to
start 'The Magic Channel. I think with clips over the years, it could
be like the comedy channel or even better..It could only be a 12 hour
a day operation (6 PM-6AM).  The uplinkw would be cheap and the only
major cost I feel would be salary's and transponder time. Heck, we
could kick it off in Jan '91 and Music City Magic.

Pete B:. Tommorow night is the 'Best of Ed Sullivan'. I don't think
Fred will be on it, but I'm still hoping. I will tape it for you (right
off the CBS feed, if clear, if not, I'll get it off of F2 or F1). I was
thinking, you might have just taken the reciever and IRD with ya, then
all youd need to get is the dish, feedhorn, LNB and cable and wham, you
back on the dish. I think If I ever move, I'll take the whole thing
with me (BTW, I did put my system in myself, hardest part was digging
a 3 ft X 3 ft hole.) Aligning it was a breeze. If you decide to go that
rought, give me a call and I'll give ya the tips I used.  Back to
magic, I think if I would be ableo get a style that was one of past
magicians, most of the new audiences would think it's a NEW style. Or
I just could be myself.. .

David L: I want a userlog function for the bbs! (Smile) This would show
all users and times they were on last.  This way, if I misspell a name,
I could just look it up in the userlog.

Others: I too was sad to hear the passing of Goshiman. I have a set of
multiplying rabbits by him (as everyone else in the known universe
does) and have always liked his routiens, he will be missed.

You know, I've been so busy, I'm gonna try to slow down again and post
at least once a week or so.  Should let work get in the way of fun,huh?

Mov  ax,4c01h
Int  21h

(anyone who writes in asm will get the joke of those instructions).

Rikker

Msg #7049  Dated 10:53:24  02-16-91  7032 <--> 7050
From: PETE BIRO
To:   PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

I don't think the Modem per se is the problem. Viruses can come with
floppy disks, etc. BUT THE MAIN THING IS THE SOURCE. If you buy legit
reliable stuff no problem. And I don't think you will find computer bad
guys in MAGIC!

Msg #7050  Dated 10:55:09  02-16-91  7037 <--> 7051
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

My dentist wears rubber gloves.

Msg #7051  Dated 10:56:03  02-16-91  7050 <--> 7058
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

Maybe your dentist doesn't trust you?

Msg #7053  Dated 10:57:49  02-16-91  7036 <--> 7907
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   GET A LIFE

Yah, and you can drive home sober.

Msg #7055  Dated 10:58:31  02-16-91  7039 <--> 7070
From: PETE BIRO
To:   EVAN KATZ (X)
Re:   OH, NOOOOO!!!

Speaking of the Zig Zag (R. Harbin) do you know there is NO gaff, as
such. It just works! Harbin used to go to a show (cabaret conditions --
dance floor, surrounded) and actually carry the Zig Zag in, in two
canvas bags. He would assemble the prop in front of the audience
talking about it and go right into the effect.  His first model, I
believe, was made of a couple of large cardboard boxes, and his friend,
Eric C. Lewis, helped him put it all together in the formers garage!

Msg #7057  Dated 11:02:32  02-16-91  7047 <--> 7069
From: PETE BIRO
To:   RICK RUHL (X)
Re:   STUFF

Someone else dug the hole but the dummy put the vertical column(?) was
OFF a couple of milleters and a friend came in and we did some serious
re-aligning (digging a bigger hole and putting a bigger cement pad in)
and for me the hardest part was going under the house into the crawl
space and putting the cable up the WRONG HOLE and having to go back and
do it again. Right now I love the Cable here in WC -- been watching
CSPAN inside at TIME magazine watching the computer generation of
layouts pix, etc.

Msg #7058  Dated 11:05:04  02-16-91  7051 <--> 7059
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

That was quick.

Msg #7059  Dated 11:05:18  02-16-91  7058 <--> 7068
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

Yep!  It sure was!  I was on another line and saw your message.

Msg #7062  Dated 11:41:37  02-16-91  -> 7079
From: STEVE KUCERA
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN
Re:   THANKS FOR THE TIP

Hi David thanks for the tip on Howie-3. I have been drooling over that
bottle effect for many moons. But then Ialways think of another way to
spend my $400.00.
  I am creating a similar effect but in mine your release the bottle,
not the glass. It floats about a foot above the glass. I am thinking of
adding rotations to it if it doesnt junk up the effect.
  The missing message referred to several days ago was from you to
Tabby Crabb. You were thanking him for mentioning pulls.

Msg #7063  Dated 11:44:58  02-16-91  -> 7067
From: STEVE KUCERA
To:   ALL
Re:   MY CONTRIBUTION

Floating Coin to Wine Bottle.

Effect: A coin floats under cover of a silk ala Asrah. At the
climax the silk is removed and the coin has changed into a full
bottle of wine.

I have always wanted to put together a close up act using the
wine theme. I had this idea during a brainstorming session one
day. It has some severe limitations but it works if the
conditions are right. I have only performed it twice, once to a
layman and once to a very experienced professional. It is still
in the embryo stage of development so I will leave it to y'all
to change it to your liking.

I will start by describing the basic moves necessary. It is a
tough one to describe so bear with me.

First the bottle steal. Hold your left hand out, palm up. Take
a full bottle of wine (corked) and hold it by the neck in the
crotch between your second and third fingers. Only allow about
a quarter of an inch of the bottle to protrude above your hand.
The bottle is now being held in your palm up left hand and
dangling below your hand. Now step up to a table, lean on the
table top with your hands near the edge. On both hands, your
thumb is on top of the table and your four fingers are under
the table. The bottle is hidden from sight, dangling from your
left hand under the table. You should be leaning against the
table, gripping the table with both hands as you lean slightly
forward. This should be a very natural looking position.

Start the piece from a sitting position. The wine bottle is
held between your legs or resting on the floor ( If you can
snatch it later without looking suspicious.). Lay a quarter on
the table. Cover the quarter with a good sized, non transparent
silk. The silk should lay flat and the end towards you should
come to the edge of the table. Snatch the wine bottle into the
crotch of your left hand. Stand up, pushing your chair back.
Your left hand ( with wine bottle) comes up to the table top
(thumb on top) followed by your right hand and you end up
leaning on the table as describe earlier.

Have an audience member wave a magic hand over the covered
quarter to try to make it float. After the quarter fails to
float , grab the silk with the thumb of your left hand and draw
the silk back, exposing the quarter and leaving you back from
the table with the wine bottle (Gripped in finger crotch) now
covered by the silk. The silk should cover the fingers of your
left hand but leave the palm exposed. People will not suspect
you of carrying anything in that hand, especially a full bottle
of wine.

Take the quarter with your right hand and place it in the palm
of your left hand. Draw the silk back over the coin. With the
thumb and index finger of your right hand grip the top of
the wine bottle. It should look as if you are holding the
quarter by its edges. Palm away the real coin. Move the covered
quarter ( actually the top of the bottle) to the center of the
table. Silently set the bottle down and slowly take your
fingers off the "Quarter". It will appear to be a floating coin
under cover of a handkerchief. To climax the trick, lift the
hank off the bottle to reveal a full bottle of Vino right in
the middle of the table.

This might be a good time to steal a clipped wine glass from
under your coat for a wine glass appearance.

Details:

The bottle will have a tendency to smack you chair,
the table or anything else. Work hard to avoid this "Talking".

Dont let the bottle bump on the table as you set it down. Dont
set it on the edge of the hank as this will impede the
revalation at the climax.

When you lay the silk over the quarter on the table, the edge
must come close enough to your left thumb so that you can snatch
it without using your right hand.

Use plenty of styling mousse before trying this or any other
magic trick.

PS I have never described an effect in writing before. Please tell me
if its not clear enough.
                           Steve Kucera
                           the Wine Country Wizard

Msg #7064  Dated 13:14:21  02-16-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   ALL
Re:   NEW CATALOG FILES

Howie Schwarzman has uploaded another new mini-Catalogue.  It is in the
files area as HOWIE-04.TXT.  Looks like good stuff!  As a matter of
fact, I'm calling him with an order now.

Also, HOWIE-02.TXT has been reuploaded.

Both of these mini-Catalogues are in the MAGIC! files area.

Msg #7067  Dated 16:35:40  02-16-91  7063 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To:   STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re:   MY CONTRIBUTION

Steve, have you ever seen or heard of Sam Berland's "Wine of Karnak?"
It is an Asrah with a glass of wine. Suitable for Parlour shows.
I think it is in the Abbott Catalog. Also in Berland's new book,
recently published with a collection of all of Sam's Great Effects.

Msg #7068  Dated 17:12:03  02-16-91  7049 <--> 7086
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

Always wear a cap and carry an umbrella.

Msg #7069  Dated 18:33:05  02-16-91  7047 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   RICK RUHL (X)
Re:   STUFF

My understanding is that Fred Kaps will NOT be on the Sullivan special
this Sunday.  That's what a friend at CBS told me, but he wasn't 100%
sure.  HOWEVER....I've heard that the Sullivan shows are going to be
aired on cable in the not-too-distant future in a half-hour format.
The info is fuzzy at this point, but I would think that Kaps would have
an excellent chance of making it into that package.

Msg #7070  Dated 18:48:37  02-16-91  7055 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   OH, NOOOOO!!!

When I was a little ki who used to beg my father all the time to take
me to Louis Tannen, so I could spend my last cent, one time (this was
when Tannen's was on Times Square, bigger, and they still owned their
publishing arm), we must have spent some money and Irv Tannen must have
been in a good mood, because they took us down the hall into the room
where they had illusions stored.  (some sentance, that!).  I belive
some or all of the illusions were being stored for Henning's "The Magic
Show."  And there was Zig Zag, which Irv Tannen proceeded to
demonstrate.  And, yeah, it just worked!  Anyway, I thought it might
have been an interesting story, y'know...

Msg #7071  Dated 18:50:33  02-16-91  -> 7072
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   HELLO

YA I have Williamson book , is it the slight of dave Video?
           I talked to Roth last time

he was in
 CT he has some new stuff, Look for it.

Msg #7072  Dated 18:59:41  02-16-91  -> 7073
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   HELLO

well i dont know about LA but here there is alot of work, it semes like
more and more resturants have a magician table to table. I work two,
one for more then a year. maybe it`s just colder here. But i see more
close-up in the east and not to much platform or stage. is close up and
resturant work less popular out in LA.?

Msg #7073  Dated 21:12:44  02-16-91  7071 <--> 7076
From: PETE BIRO
To:   SKIP SANSOUCIE (X)
Re:   HELLO

I have both the Williamson Video and the Book. The Video is a killer,
not only good magic, but he has funny commercials, etc. within.

Msg #7076  Dated 22:43:40  02-16-91  7072 <--> 7097
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   SKIP SANSOUCIE (X)
Re:   HELLO

Here in L.A. there is a big fad (may have been hurt by the recession)
for incredible kids birthday parties, often with a mage.  Our 2-year
old, for example, was invited to one via a custom designed and produced
invitation (estimated cost - $12 to $15 per invitation!).  The party
took over the carousel at the Santa Monica Pier for a couple of hours.
Others feature bands, etc.  Remember, we are talking parties for 2 to
5 year olds here!
As to resturants, I see VERY LITTLE magic work being done.  I've
encountered TWO table magi in 5 years!  Maybe it is the resturants I go
to (no McDonald's jokes, please), but I think I get to a random sample
in a variety of price ranges.  I can't speak for the field in general
though.  I do know a couple of resturant magi who do seem to work.

Msg #7079  Dated 22:53:15  02-16-91  7062 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re:   THANKS FOR THE TIP

Thanks for reminding me of the infamous missing message!  By now I'm
sure Tabman has read my thanks, via your message.
Your floating bottle sounds good.  Hope to see your act sometime.  Do
you let the stage volunteers have a glass when you send 'em back to
their seats?

Msg #7084  Dated  0:43:04  02-17-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   ALL
Re:   MAGIC! MESSAGES #14

The fourteenth set of MAGIC! messages - #6500 (Feb. 5, 1991) to
#6999 (Feb. 14, 1991) - has been transfered to a downloadable
file.  The file is named MAGIC-14.TXT.  This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the four-
teenth volume of messages off-line.  For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file.  It is called MAGIC-14.ZIP
and less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.

This set of messages includes the first on-line exchange of
messages between MAGIC! and MAGIC-NL in the Netherlands, info
on how to license copyrighted music for your act (thanks to
Tabby Crabb), Pete Biro's eulogy of Albert Goshman, some good
sources for skulls, Pete Biro's reviews of some videotapes, and
a lot of good effects by Pete Biro ("Twitch," some great Himber
Ring moves), Tabby Crabb (terrific handling of a Cigarette Thru
Quarter), Stan Lake ("Barroom Bet"), David Lichtman ("Spectator's
Delight"), and more.  There is, of course, also a lot of magic
philosophy, news and chit-chat.  Not only will transfering these
messages to a file make it easier for you to obtain a complete
set of them, but it will make the search for new messages easier
and faster.

Msg #7086  Dated  1:26:35  02-17-91  -> 7098
From: GREGO WILMOTH
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

Thanks Pete. Doknow any boards that they are on so I could sent him
mail?

Msg #7090  Dated  9:17:09  02-17-91  -> 7120
From: DAVID SACKS
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   MAGIC BOOKS

Stan, I think that even the basic" books can even be of a good quality.
For example, the Tarbell course is outstanding in my opinion, and yet
is basic.  Sounds like the "good quality" stuff is the more advance
stuff.  If your interested I may be able to help your collection grow.
I can get somethings at discounts.  If interested call me (land line)
at (213) 259-0739.  e can also get together and I'll show you some of
the books that I refer to.  By the way, I'm in Highland Park.  Just
below Pasadena, and just east of Glendale.
Talk to you later.
David

Msg #7092  Dated  9:24:47  02-17-91
From: DAVID SACKS
To:   DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re:   GREETINGS

Darrell,  use this telephone number -- (213) 259-0739.  Its a new phone
with an answer machine; if no one is home and our baby sitter answers,
and you don't speak spanish then I get no message, or a garbled one.
Talk to you soon.
David

Msg #7093  Dated  9:48:32  02-17-91  7028 <--> 7100
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES


        You know, I didn't think aboyt the younger, more
impressionable fanatics (as we all - well everybody but Maven and
Biro - have been). You're right and it is something we can help
to cover here on MAGIC! by having an HONESTY FIRST policy.


        Even in honesty there have to be certain judgement calls
made as we all perceive things differently. We've applauded
"honest" reviewers before until some of them have gone over the
edge and let their jaded opinions interfere with the process,
attacking those who had a different philosophy. I don't feel like
naming names right now, but perhaps will if I'm pressed and in
good company. A top US amatuer athlete (not my wife as she's so
clean she squeeks when she walks - ooh rah) suggested that a man
should never tell all his secrets; at least not all at once and
never to the same people.


        I must be some kind of real nerd; a guy that likes to
read books about books, as I enjoy reading comprehensive book
reviews as much or more than anyone. Recently I contacted several
publishers of what I'd consider worthwhile magician's books
requesting permission to quote passages from their offerings for
possible inclusion in my reviews here on MAGIC!.


        One rather sensitive publisher of indepth material has
given me blanket permission to quote any of his copyrighted
material while another more prolific publisher negated the value
of indepth discussion on MAGIC! specifically of his material and
withheld this permission. Even though the copyright laws actually
give this "fair use" to reviewers and libraries I will leave his
books out of the fray. This same publisher has taken some heat
lately for fluffing out his books with needless verbage however,
but we have several of his books here and his witholding
permission does not negate the value of his work.


        If we can set the example here on MAGIC! of playing a
four square game because we are completely interactive then the
printed media must follow or be lost. If we don't take our
seriousness seriously (my agent once told me to never read
anything printed about myself, or if I did, not to believe it)
and realize that the more perspectives that come into play the
more diverse the base of perception.

        Sorry to bend your eye so much but I enjoy writing about
magic books almost as much as I like reading about them. Truth is
often disguised or hides behind a wall. If we; sentry like from
different vantage points, call out what we see; perhaps we'll
catch "Old Mr.Truth" yet.

                                        tabman




Msg #7096  Dated 13:01:39  02-17-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   ALL
Re:   VIDEO CATALOG

Think you have the definitive magic video collection?  Here's Arnaud
VanRietschoten's list of magic videos!  And he has some that aren't
even on this list!  Here's a chance to compare with a master video
collector.  Of course, many of Arnaud's are in PAL (European standard
video format), but it is some list.

The list is in the files area as VIDEO-NL.TXT.  A compressed version,
VIDEO-NL.ZIP is available for those who use zip.

Msg #7097  Dated 14:06:34  02-17-91  7076 <--> 7102
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   HELLO

Marvyn Roy (Mr. Electric) told me he is very busy doing restaurant
magic in the South Bay -- he lives in the Valley, tough commute -- but
has a couple of new places he will be working in the Valley, near the
good Dr. L.

Msg #7098  Dated 14:08:30  02-17-91  7086 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To:   GREGO WILMOTH (X)
Re:   DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

No, but I understand Patrice Moore, here on MAGIC! works part time for
both Stan Alan and Mike Caveney -- on their computer systems.

Msg #7100  Dated 14:13:15  02-17-91  7093 <--> 7101
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

Someone in a recent Gulf War commentary said about a General (from a
past conflict) "I never lie. But don't always asume I am telling the
truth!" Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Msg #7101  Dated 14:48:07  02-17-91  7100 <--> 7106
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

One must read between the lines if it has been written by anyone
remotely human.

Msg #7102  Dated 15:13:12  02-17-91  7097 <--> 7109
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   HELLO

I always enjoy seeing Marvyn and Carol Roy work.  Kinda ironic, but the
last time he was at the Castle I brought 16 people from the local
electric company.  Pity he wasn't doing "Mr. Electric."  Let me know
where he will be working in the Valley.

Msg #7103  Dated 16:14:19  02-17-91  7001 <-
From: KEVIN MEADOR
To:   DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re:   VEGAS UPDATE

David, I would like to have a copy of that newsletter if possible, and
I would also like to know if you have any connections to get collectors
material like promotional kits for preformers, especially illusionist,
I am going to try and round up some of that type of stuff and put out
a book in the future.
My address is as Follows:
Kevin J. Meador
2708 Rhodes Ave
Vinton, Va 24179
Thanks!  I would appreciate a reply back about the promo. material, I
also wonder how I could get promo material or maybe even programs of
the preformers in Vegas??? Lance Burton, Belinda, S&R, etc.

Msg #7106  Dated 20:29:19  02-17-91  7093 <--> 7108
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

Thanks for your in-depth response, Tabber.
As a former film critic, (many years ago), I have my own criteria for
reviews of all kinds.  Basically, though, I like to have the critic
qualify his or her opinions and not hold back with criticism or praise
when they consider it warranted.  Sure, I like to read tough criticism,
but there are always the "tough" critics who go out of their way to pan
something only to show how "clever" they can be with a put-down...sort
of a pauper's Don Rickles approach.  That approach is as worthless as
the critic who loves everything.
On other subjects...what sort of literature do you enjoy and/or
collect?  Books on books in general are always interesting to me.  Some
favorite authors are Christopher Morley, (I actively collect his fine
first editions...a lifetime hobby, as he was so damn prolific!),
Vincent Starrett, and many more popular ones such as Milne, Conan
Doyle, etc.

Msg #7107  Dated 20:36:25  02-17-91  -> 7114
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ALL
Re:   FIND IT!

I just got a call from Karrell Fox in Palm Springs. He had a heart
attack a month or so ago. He says, "I thought I had indigestion, was
around the house during the day, then that night went out to do a show,
finished the show and started to feel really bad. Called Lynn (his
wife) to come get me. We went straight to the Hospital. It was a heart
attack and they kept me there for 10 days. Doin' good now, and I
definitely will be at the IBM at Baltimore in July to MC!"
In the conversation the Foxy one mentioned that a magazine in Los
Angeles called "BUZZ" has a great article on Dai Vernon written by
Ricky Jay. Would appreciate if any member down there could get a copy
for me and mail to 16 Los Banos Ct., Walnut Creek, CA 94598. Gracias.

Msg #7108  Dated 20:39:39  02-17-91  7101 <--> 7123
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

One of Himber's great moves (he personally taught this to me) was to
get "one ahead" in the coin slot of a particular NY subway turnstile.
IE: If you put in 2 tokens the machine will be One Ahead. He would
later come to the subway with a visiting magi (me in this case) and
say, I have a move to get in FREE, watch. He would wave his hand over
he turnstile and go thru without paying. this was great. At lunch he
later tipped the modus to me. Crazy guy. You know he lived in a luxury
apt. in a hotel on Central Park in NY FREE in a settlement for a fall
on the premises. Just remembered name of hotel: Essex House.

Msg #7109  Dated 20:42:57  02-17-91  7102 <--> 7115
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   HELLO

I don't know yet, but if I find out you will be the 98th person to
know.

Msg #7111  Dated 21:04:19  02-17-91
From: ANDREW T OAKDEN
To:   RON MARTIN
Re:   BROOM SUSPENSION

RON,
I AM NEW ON THE BOARD AND WAS READING THROUGH SOME OF THE NEWER MESSAGE
FILES AND ON 01-20-91 I SAW THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THE BROOM
SUSPENSION.  IF YOU LIKE I HAVE THE WORK-SHOP PLANS FROM THE TANNEN
COLLECTION ON THE SUSPENSION.  DROP ME A LINE IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO
SEND YOU A COPY.

Msg #7114  Dated 23:34:07  02-17-91  7107 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   FIND IT!

We had the info on Karrell in a message the next day.  We even started
a message section for him.  BUT we NEVER sent the messages.  The reason
was disappointing response.  I didn't feel comfortable writing him a
note and saying "several hundred of your friends on MAGIC! wanted you
to hear from them, so they sent these THREE messages..."
VERY GLAD to hear that he is recouperating and will be in good form
soon.

Msg #7115  Dated 23:36:45  02-17-91  7109 <--> 7128
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   HELLO

WOW!  I'm in the select first 100!  That's "limited edition" country!

Msg #7117  Dated  0:30:29  02-18-91  6800 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   SPOON BENDERS

Tabman - It looks like somehow you missed message #6800 from Pete to
you.  You might, just for the record, want to go back and read it.

Msg #7118  Dated  0:31:15  02-18-91  6836 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   TA WATERS
Re:   HEBA HABA AL

T.A. - Looks like somehow you missed a message from Jim Sisti to you
(#6836).  You might want to go back and read it.

Msg #7120  Dated  9:21:49  02-18-91  7090 <--> 7126
From: STAN LAKE
To:   DAVID SACKS
Re:   MAGIC BOOKS

Thanks Dave, I'll give you a call and see when you are free.  I've been
pretty well swamped with my taxes lately so I haven't had much free
time.  Sometimes I think it would be less painful if they just went
ahead and took an arm and a leg!  Talk to you soon...

Msg #7121  Dated 10:43:49  02-18-91  -> 7137
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN
Re:   BOOKPLATES

        I've got an artist on the string who owes me some work
from another job. He's working it off by doing a coupla magic
bookplates for me. One for me and one for MAGIC! if we ever get
into your idea of supplying books to libraries. What are your
ideas about what should be depicted on said bookplate?
        Also I'll be posting a notice of the start of the next
MAGIC! auction by this weekend. I'm trying to get a fix on the
minimum bid but should be around a hundred bucks or so.

                                        tabman



sg #7122  Dated 12:40:09  02-18-91  -> 7138
From: ANDREW T OAKDEN
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN
Re:   FILES

DAVID
ANDY OAKDEN HERE THE NEW KID ON THE BOARD.  JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAD
A LIST OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THIS BOARD?
AND ALSO ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTING ANY AMIGA FILES ON?
ANDY OAKDEN

Msg #7123  Dated 19:04:09  02-18-91  7106 <--> 7129
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

        My interests outside magic seem to follow the course of
life. For instance two years ago when we decided to build the
recording studio on the property I got very much into studio
design and construction. This year I'm involved in learning as
much about wind and solar power as I can. This I'm really
enjoying as there is a wealth of older material available and you
know I like reading the old books. I've learned a great deal
about antique house reconstruction as well over the past few.
        I've amassed much literature on photography as well as
law and philosophy. Life pretty much revolves around magic, music
and the search for the holy grail. Also trying to find a way to
turn spring water into gold but no luck so far.
        Of course I spend some time in the shop most days but one
can only take so much sanding at one time. Some nice things have
been happening with my magical building and I'm looking forward
to getting into it more after the move south and west.
        This has been a great discussion about book reviewers and
hope to see something come out of it. Thanks. I've enjoyed it.
With enough help I really believe we can do much good here on
MAGIC!

                                        tabman

PS. Much Edgar Rice Burroughs especially like his "Mars" books.

Msg #7125  Dated 19:15:44  02-18-91  -> 7134
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   DESERT MAGIC

With the seminar and contest coming up soon could you give us a hint as
to to the judging criteria. What will the judges be looking for?

Msg #7126  Dated 19:55:15  02-18-91  7120 <--> 7130
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   MAGIC BOOKS

Didn't you see the new simplified tax form? It has only two lines.

1)Enter total wages,tips, salaries, etc        __________
2)Send in amount on Line 1                     __________

Msg #7128  Dated 20:03:13  02-18-91  7097 <--> 7135
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   HELLO

Marvyn can tell some pretty interesting stories. I was talking with him
once about all the time he spent in Europe and he told me that a number
of places that he worked were strip joints. They would have five to six
strippers then a variety act. Talk about having to concentrate on your
act.....

Msg #7129  Dated 21:51:43  02-18-91  7123 <--> 7131
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

It's been enjoyable from here, too, tabber!
I look forward to seeing you hopefully on your next visit to SoCal.
Tell me some about your musical interests, wouldja?

Msg #7130  Dated 22:15:14  02-18-91  7120 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   MAGIC BOOKS

Taxes? Taxes? Oh, I know I forgot something.... aarrrrrrgggghhhhh

Msg #7131  Dated 22:16:40  02-18-91  7123 <--> 7132
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

Friend of mine in Pawlet, VT has a solar house. Cost him about a
million buck to build -- around a Russian Stove. One little bit o' wood
keeps the whole  crib warm, which is cool, all day/night. Insane place.
His name is Tom Burnside. to let you know how good his collection of
old snapshots and cameras was "he sold it to the British Museum"!!!!!
Nice guy too... if you shoot trap, call him.

Msg #7132  Dated 22:18:44  02-18-91  7129 <--> 7147
From: PETE BIRO
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

What do all these messages have to do with Himber Moves? I thought he
lived in the same place until he ran out of subway tokens.
Oh, did you catch the Ed Sullivan show where Ed said (during a dance
contest he MC'd before TV) Play the Music Richard Himber!!!!

Msg #7134  Dated 22:20:57  02-18-91  7125 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   DESERT MAGIC

There are NO JUDGES. Everyone in the audience gets a ballot -- it is
the "People's Choice" (an idea my ex wife came up with).

Msg #7135  Dated 22:21:46  02-18-91  7128 <--> 7174
From: PETE BIRO
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   HELLO

I used to hang out with Finn Jon at Raymond's Revue Bar in London,
which was a high class strip joint. He got lots of "hair" from long
haired gals in the show.

Msg #7137  Dated  3:44:43  02-19-91  7121 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   BOOKPLATES

A MAGIC! bookplate would be incredible, Tabman!  I'm afraid though that
my off-the-cuff ideas are too prosaic - like a wizard working at a
terminal.  I'm sure that you and the artist could do a LOT better.
Also, you have to forgive me.  Note the time of this message - I'm just
coming off of a 12 hour work stint coupled with full-time child care
(my wife is off on business) and the stuff I did yesterday/today has to
be at client at 7:30 a.m.  Will be working there all day and then will
son again.  MAGIC! may get short shrift later tonite.  Sure glad we got
folks like you to keep it goin'.

Msg #7138  Dated  3:48:05  02-19-91  7122 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   ANDREW T OAKDEN (X)
Re:   FILES

We are working on doing a list of members of MAGIC! but on this system
it is more complex than it seems.  Also, there are some who prefer
anonymity and their rights need to be respected.
As to Amiga files, I'd like to see some too!  But they MUST be magic
related.

Msg #7140  Dated  7:57:24  02-19-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re:   PALLBEARER'S

        Enjoyed talking to you last night. I didn't think we'd
still be here when you come in March to do some NASA stuff but
here we still R and we're looking forward to your visit. I'll let
you know what Pallbearer's I need to round out my file when you
let me know what U've got. Maybe I'll send you home with a tabman
table if I can get ahead but am having some trouble cutting up
this old cherrywood I got from a barn in WVA. It is beautiful but
has gotten very dry and hard to work. Must be 50 years old or so.




sg #7142  Dated  8:18:42  02-19-91  -> 7148
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ALL
Re:   TABLE TOP

Anybody ever cover a table with foam and billiard cloth? I wonder how
thick a foam padding is best for a close up table.
I have a big hunk of top quality billiard table cloth given to me by an
old gambler/pool guy that has a "restoration" biz for pool tables, etc.
in Long Beach.

Msg #7146  Dated 13:33:46  02-19-91  -> 7151
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ALL
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

I am slowlying growing brainless. Burt Carpenter has been very kind in
locating and buying (for me) a Coin Magic of David Roth, published by
Richard Kaufman. A killer book if there ever was one. A "continuation"
of the Classic "Modern Coin Magic" by J.B. Bobo.
Well, you guessed it, I just opened a box and what was on top? The same
book. Seems two years ago I bought it and put it into storage and
forgot about it.
Is there anyone else here on the MAGIC! BBS that wants said book? Let
me and/or Burt know as soon as possible, please. Burt, I owe you one.
When I find my lecture notes, will send to you.
Down to about 18 more boxes of books to look into.... Am out of shelves
so I am   holding off opening any more for awhile.
What has me nervouse, all the Boxes Marked "good stuff" have been
opened and I have yet to find my most valuable tome, "The Magic of
Robert Harbin" -- Pray for me on this one... I think they are in the
$1,000 range now!!!! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Adios mon amigos... el so forth and so on.....

Msg #7147  Dated 16:30:41  02-19-91  7132 <--> 7149
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

Just goes to show you how far these continuous "reply" messages can get
from the original topic!
Yes, I did watch the Sullivan special and I KNEW you would be the ONLY
one to catch that Himber reference!!!
Heh, heh.

Msg #7148  Dated 16:33:53  02-19-91  7142 <--> 7152
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

Half-inch, I think.  But as my ex-wife used to say, "You can never have
too much!"  Although, if a tabled card sinks out of view, I would
consider that slightly excessive!

Msg #7149  Dated 19:45:45  02-19-91  7129 <--> 7182
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

        There's a chance I'll be in So Cal in mid May. I'm biz
mgr and publisher for rock group Bone Pony who're on a club tour
cross USA rite now. Bone Pony is rock like ZZ Top. I'll be at the
MAGIC! breakfast (if nada else) in Vegas next month. I wanna say
hey to everyone and say thanks for all the pleasure given me by
all.
        Music - used to perform but now work in the wings and try
to help younger develop. Though I mostly do rock right now I'm
good with country (most of my publishing royalty this year from
country writer Sam Neely) and even was producer of Nat'l Boychoir
of America's Christmas 1986 album. We do what we have to. Perhaps
job with major in Nashville (been hinted at ???) if I don't wait
too long to move. I'd rather stay indie if possible but I'm
getting older and don't have the energy I used to.
        Enjoy reading and writing about magic. Could retire I
guess but probably have some good years left if I can make it to
spring one more time.



Msg #7150  Dated 20:54:08  02-19-91  -> 7153
From: JIM SISTI
To:   ALL
Re:   SIMON BOOK

I am looking for a copy of "Versatile Card Magic" by Frank Simon and
was hoping someone had an extra copy laying around that I could
purchase... (Perhaps Pete will unpack one...)  Please advise.

Msg #7151  Dated 21:00:46  02-19-91  7146 <--> 7154
From: STAN LAKE
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

How much for the David Roth book?  The new one or your old one?

Msg #7152  Dated 21:31:24  02-19-91  7148 <--> 7159
From: PETE BIRO
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

Some day, if we meet, ask me to do my impression of Slydini using Jerry
Andrus' close up mat. (Hint: Andruss used a soft pad about 2-inches
thick).

Msg #7153  Dated 21:32:20  02-19-91  7150 <--> 7183
From: PETE BIRO
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   SIMON BOOK

I sure hope I unpack one. Do you know Frank Simon is a cinematograher?
He did a killer documentary film (which I luckily saw) on a good friend
of mine, Jackie Stewart racing an F-One car in Monaco GP.

Msg #7154  Dated 21:33:41  02-19-91  7151 <--> 7163
From: PETE BIRO
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Burt Carpenter, here online has the one for me,and it is 35 bucks. Drop
him a message. Tanks.  It is worth much more IMHO, and is out of print.

Msg #7159  Dated 23:33:09  02-19-91  7142 <--> 7167
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

I've heard of the Long Beach pool table "restoration" guy.  Heard that
there were some great bargains in prime billiard cloth, but that one
sometimes has to forego the traditional magician's (and billiard
player's) green in favor of more exotic shades.  Will have to get his
address sometime.

Msg #7163  Dated  5:26:13  02-20-91  7154 <--> 7171
From: STAN LAKE
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

I'll get in touch with Burt, thanks.
Also... Where can I get the Dukes Dyeversion I have heard you mention
as a good closing routine?

Msg #7166  Dated  7:56:54  02-20-91  -> 7190
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   ALL
Re:   OKITO AUCTION #2

                    MAGIC! AUCTION #2 TO BEGIN

        The mahogany framed check from Berg Magic to Theo.
Bamberg (with signature) will be auctioned off starting this
weekend. The bidding will last until the Desert Seminar where the
framed check will be displayed at the MAGIC! breakfast and then
mailed (or handed over if the high bidder is present) to the
buyer.
        I want to take this opportunity to thank the donor of the
check for his generosity and faith in the MAGIC! concept and all
the others who have made contributions both financial and
wordwise.
        Who am I but a user who believes we can make a difference
sorta like public tv only private. As I am living on borrowed
time if you don't hear from me for 72 hours or so; somebody with
my number call home for news as Glo doesn't even know how to turn
the computer on, much less sign on MAGIC!.
        Please do not make bids until notice comes up on Friday
night or Saturday. Bidding will be done by <> msg to me
just in case buyer wants to be the shadow. I'll let ALL know how
it is progressing. Thanks!
                                         - tabman -


Msg #7167  Dated  7:57:52  02-20-91  7142 <--> 7169
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

Pete: You may want to try 1/8" foam padding. You could go to 1/4", but
above that you will start getting too much bounce. You only need enough
padding to allow you enough give to be able to pick things up. I
covered quite a few pieces of plywood back in my Forks days, and found
1/8" to work the best. Good luck with your table.

Msg #7169  Dated 10:38:40  02-20-91  7159 <--> 7170
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   TABLE TOP

Green is available and the ONLY COLOR. I have some used black jack
table tops given my by a casino mgr in las v. (Not Geno)

Msg #7170  Dated 10:39:24  02-20-91  7167 <--> 7178
From: PETE BIRO
To:   HARRISON CARROLL
Re:   TABLE TOP

Thanks much. I think you are right. All you need to do is get your
"neatly trimmed (?) nails under the cards when shuffling"
My only debate now is to go a square "restaurant type" table or make a
dual purpose using a black jack top to maintain the theme of my den,
Gambling/Casino look. With old Caille Slot Machine, El Sapo, Keno Goose
and Faro items.... hmmmmm

Msg #7171  Dated 10:41:25  02-20-91  7163 <--> 7176
From: PETE BIRO
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Duke's Dye Version is one of the greatest. It is available from Abbotts
only -- you could make up your own, but you need a 20-foot x 1-foot tye
died silk and a dye tube for it. It is easier and cheaper to buy the
real thing. When you get it let me know and I will tip you off on the
cleanest method to get rid of gimmick that is angle proof and EZ to say
the least!!!

Msg #7172  Dated 10:43:36  02-20-91
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   TURNOVER SIMPLEX

Looks god Tabbo... will try when I unpack my turnover wallets. I think
an Apple Turnover would hit the spot rat now.

Msg #7173  Dated 13:24:27  02-20-91  -> 7241
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re:   FEB GENII

Feb. Genii arrived today and looks like an excellent issue. Thank you
for mentioning Quade's latest cd.
                                  aka tabman

Msg #7174  Dated 13:59:24  02-20-91  7073 <--> 7175
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   HELLO

The coins and wand routine is a killer.....I use it all the time but
none can do it like him.
                                Skip..

Msg #7175  Dated 14:02:35  02-20-91  7076 <--> 7194
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   HELLO

Here the resturants are haveing more and more magic(maybe a fad) but
none the less were woring. As for the birthday stuff I don`t do it
myself ( I cant deal with kids ) The comedy club thing is big out there
i understand, therees not to much here for that kind of thing although
the club scean is New realy just resently I`ve seen (the past 5 years)
more work opening up but if you call your self a magician Thay look at
you like (no rabits in here) kind of look......Sometime we get no
respect.
                                Skip.

Msg #7176  Dated 14:54:57  02-20-91  7146 <--> 7180
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Pete, perhaps there has been a little bit of miscommunication. The book
I got for you was _COINMAGIC_ by Richard Kaufmann, not _DAVID ROTH'S
EXPERT COIN MAGIC_ which was published by Richard Kaufmann. The volume
has not been shipped to you yet. The book _COINMAGIC_ is 266 pages and
has a section by David Roth which includes his directions for the
Shuttle Pass, Karate Coin, and many others. The titles of the other
sections are: Spellbound, Sol Stone Section, Geoffrey Latta Section,
Edward Marlo on Sympathetic Coins, Slydini- Three New Sleights, Effects
and Routines, and Effects and Routines. Is this the volume you found in
your boxes? If not do you want this one? _COINMAGIC_ is also out of
print.

Msg #7177  Dated 15:26:13  02-20-91  -> 7195
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   ALL
Re:   TURNOVER SIMPLEX

                         TURNOVER SIMPLEX*
                             tabman

        An easy routine using a "turnover wallet" or cardbox.

-REQUIRED:
 Turnover wallet or flap type card box
 Double backed card to match deck
 Duplicate card (for illustration use 4H)
 Laundry marker in contrasting color to backs of cards as
 spectator will sign back of card (Black on red/Red on blue)
-EFFECT:
 Spectator selects card and signs back. Card is placed in wallet.
 Card vanishes from wallet and is found back in pack, this time
 face up.
HOW DO IT:
<< SetUp 4H DB 4H  face down on top of deck >>
-Shuffle cards maintaining top three cards on top of deck.
-Riffle Force top card (if you don't know riffle force look on pg
 40 of "Now You See It, Now You Don't" by B. Tarr or elsewhere).
-Spectator slides forced card face down off deck with finger and
 let it stay FD on table.
-Hand him/her pen and request signature on back. Card stays face
 down.
-Pick up forced card (4H) with sig. on back and place FD on top of
 deck immediately above DB and dupe 4H.
-Triple lift and turn over keeping cards on top of deck and slide
 dupe 4H onto table.
     [ signed card is now face up under the DB card on top ]
-Cut deck and table. Signed card is now face up in center of pack.
-Place dupe 4H face up in turnover wallet or card box. Close and
 turnover.  Work is now done.
-Signed card can be revealed face up in middle of pack after
 showing that it has vanished from wallet or box.
-To reveal signed card spread deck face down to find 4H which is
 face up.
-Let spectator turn it over to find signature.

           Presentation and patter is UP TO U.

* Turnover Simplex was inspired by RAY MERTZ' SIMPLEX CARD IN
WALLET found in "THE CLOSEUP MAGIC OF RAY MERTZ". It is not the
same or even a similar effect. Just the inspiration for use of
the turnover (or Himber type) wallet.




Msg #7178  Dated 15:55:45  02-20-91  7142 <--> 7191
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

        I think the thickness of foam padding would depend upon
the density of the foam being used. I'm using a low density
polyurathane foam right now in quarter and half inch depending on
the type of table. This foam "gives" easily but holds its shape
unlike foam rubber which can dent. However the polyurathane
cannot take heavy weights which would dent the foam rubber
anyway. The stuff I use is dark charcoal gray in color and makes
for a pretty good surface even without covering.
        For six point four million I'll build you a table to hold
an M1A1 Tank; complete with a Desert Storm BDU for you with Magic
Corps collar insignia, a strategic map of the middle east with
telescoping pointer pen and toe activated remote control to
release the tank from the solar powered electro magnet in the
fly.



Msg #7180  Dated 16:14:09  02-20-91  7171 <--> 7210
From: STAN LAKE
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Thanks Pete.  I'll see if the Castle library has their latest catalog
for prices.

Msg #7182  Dated 19:14:09  02-20-91  7149 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   HIMBER MOVES

Sounds great.  Hope you can make it out here in May.
I started out many years ago in the music business as a nightclub
singer in New York.  Also was in talk radio as well as music radio in
St. Louis.  Here, in L.A., I was in the music publishing biz back in
the mid seventies, representing Henry Mancini, Bobbie Gentry, Richard
Harris, Livingston & Evans, Patrick Williams, Marvin Hamlisch, etc.
I haven't been active in the music biz for quite a time, although I'm
still a lyricist and active member of ASCAP.
I love watching, reading about, and humbly performing magic.  I also
enjoy collecting magic posters, books and apparatus.  My collections
are small but appreciated.

Msg #7183  Dated 19:26:27  02-20-91  7150 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   SIMON BOOK

I certainly would never part with mine, Jim.  His work on spread
controls is remarkable.  I only wish I were capable of getting through
the entire "advanced" section!  ( I guess that's gonna take some more
time and a few hundred more decks of cards!)

Msg #7186  Dated 19:55:32  02-20-91  -> 7205
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   ALL
Re:   RIVERBOAT GAMBLER?

        "Oh look, it's a three and a six...." word for word.
Understand Del Ray is put out, but it's only hearsay.
        Just got off the phone with a friend who wanted to know
if anybody had any info on the Ricky Penn-Del Ray controversy as
there is some doubt as to whether Del Ray actually gave/sold the
act to R. Penn. But me, I don't know.
                                        aka
                                    the tabman


Msg #7188  Dated 21:31:40  02-20-91
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   A LITTLE LATE

If I could WOK like that I wouldn't need the lichee nuts.

Msg #7189  Dated 21:43:24  02-20-91  -> 7199
From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN
To:   ALL
Re:   MINI

Mini catalogue #5 is ready in the files section.  We thank you
for your support.

Msg #7190  Dated 23:49:49  02-20-91  7166 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   OKITO AUCTION #2

Incredible, Tabman, absolutely incredible!  I can't wait for Desert
Magic and the chance to see the framed check.  MAGIC! really
appreciates the contribution, both from the anonymous donor of the
check and from you for the deluxe framing and for running the auction,
and, well, heck, for being the guy you are.  Someone is gonna walk away
from this with a fantastic collectable!

Msg #7191  Dated 23:52:20  02-20-91  7169 <--> 7192
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

Thanks for the correction - you were right, I were wrong - he ONLY has
green 'cause that's what he strips off to replace with exotic colors.

Msg #7192  Dated 23:54:09  02-20-91  7178 <--> 7211
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

Sheesh! $6.4 Million and he doesn't even put in a laser!

Msg #7194  Dated 23:56:00  02-20-91  7175 <--> 7208
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   SKIP SANSOUCIE (X)
Re:   HELLO

You are right, the comedy club scene is BIG out here.  And, yes, they
do have an attitude about magicians.  Which is why we see so many
"comedy magic" routines out here.  Personally, MOST "comedy magic"
makes me barf, but I recognize that it is intended for a beer drinking,
heckling audience with the I.Q. of an eggplant.  (NOTE: The views
expressed in this message are those of David, NOT those of MAGIC!)

Msg #7195  Dated 23:59:37  02-20-91  7177 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   TURNOVER SIMPLEX

Good stuff, Tabman!  But when I got to the part about "cut deck and
table" I got confused... Is this a chain saw trick?


Msg #7196  Dated  0:01:01  02-21-91  -> 7215
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   ALL
Re:   SIGNED BILL TO WALLET

I'd like some thoughts on the best/easiest method for doing a signed
bill to wallet.  If it is signed bill in envelope in wallet, all the
better.  What do you recommend?

Msg #7199  Dated  0:08:06  02-21-91  7189 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   ALL
Re:   MINI

Howie Schwarzman's newest "mini-catalog," HOWIE-5.TXT is now in the
MAGIC! files area.  Looks like some nice new stuff gathered from all
around the world.

Msg #7202  Dated  1:10:21  02-21-91  6500 <--> 7219
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   FORCE DECKS

Stan,
Hope that you have not gotten rid of the decks. I was out of town and
didn't get your message until tonight. I would still like to get them
if you haven't already disposed of them.  Leave me a note with your
address and a check will be in the mail ASAP.

If you have parted with them so sorry for not getting you a message.

Thanks Doug

Msg #7203  Dated  1:40:57  02-21-91  -> 7242
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To:   ALL
Re:   JUST HI

Just wanted to say Hi again to one and All. I made it home from Corpus
Christi, Tx. Now I have to wade through messages to get caught up. Look
forward to all the news.

                            Doug

Msg #7204  Dated  1:42:26  02-21-91  -> 7207
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   PIZZA...

Hey Wayne...Caught you Dominoe's spot on KCAL tonight (actually saw it
well over 20 times!)...not bad! The spot got me hungry for a pizza so's
I ordered one from my local Dominoes (is there any place that doesn't
have a Dominoes...maybe Baghdad?)... it arrived 39 minutes later...I
love to save money...and my technique must have worked...just put tacks
on the nearest crossroad and whammo...free pizza...Cowabunga!

Msg #7205  Dated  1:45:59  02-21-91  7186 <--> 7212
From: MAX MAVEN
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   RIVERBOAT GAMBLER?

When "Slick Rick" performed his clone-Ray act at the Magic Castle, he
told people it was with Del's blessing -- even claiming that he had
been coached by Del and had had props built by him. However, John
Thompson called Pennsylvania and checked, and Del was outraged, saying
that no such permission had been given. The Castle board has informed
"Slick Rick" that he will be persona non grata in the future.

Msg #7207  Dated  9:49:50  02-21-91  7204 <--> 7220
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re:   PIZZA...

Hope you showed up at the door wearing a stopwatch around your neck...
...that always gets 'em!

Msg #7208  Dated  9:55:29  02-21-91  7174 <--> 7209
From: PETE BIRO
To:   SKIP SANSOUCIE (X)
Re:   HELLO

Why not? It only takes practice.

Msg #7209  Dated  9:55:57  02-21-91  7175 <--> 7508
From: PETE BIRO
To:   SKIP SANSOUCIE (X)
Re:   HELLO

Don't call yourself a magician. Mike Caldwell uses a great line, he
says, "I used to be a Magician -- before I became an ENTERTAINER!"

Msg #7210  Dated  9:57:08  02-21-91  7176 <--> 7221
From: PETE BIRO
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

BURT... I HAVE BOTH. I AM TRULY SORRY AND WILL PAY YOU FOR IT IF YOU
CANNOT FIND A BUYER HERE ON MAGIC! LEMME KNOW.

Msg #7211  Dated  9:58:36  02-21-91  7178 <--> 7217
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

ok, you started it... I was going to sell this to Copperfield, but,
knowing David, if he does want to do it he will send me my usual
stipend and give full credit "above his name".... here we go....
One of the great "unsolved effects" (there have been versions in print,
but the experts say they are all wrong) is AMAC's Find the Lady. A
three card monte effect performed on the vodvil stage.
A "little known" FACT about this effect, revealed here for the first
time... is that the AUDIENCES THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT -- that is why it
didn't last very long. How do I know? My Father was on the same tour
with Amac and noted that it got little or no reaction most of the time!
So here is my 21st Century Version... especially for D.C.
We are at the front lines in Iraq. There are three small bunkers.
Looking much like Walnut Shells (?) -- Copperfield explains he is going
to hide in one of them and there are two "coalition force" jet
helicopters with laser guided missles on the way.
David runs across the sand, proper music as he departs his harem
beauties in a beautiful tye-died Rice Silk (he has just finished the
re-enactment of the Marines raising a Rice Flag on Iwo Jima, with a
variation by Jim Steinmeyer) -- Copp (as some of his friends call him)
heads into a bunker. Unbelievabley the bunkers move about the sand,
much like the shells in a giant 3 Shell game!!!!
They stop moving. Suddenly one of the choppers comes over the horizon,
it is British in manufacture, we see the pilot, setting his tea cup
aside, lines up "his" chosen bunker on the radar screen, the laser
locks on... he sips more tea and we see the "smart bomb" fly into the
target, go IN THE DOOR OF THE BUNKER -- AND COME OUT.... GOING INTO
BUNKER NUMBER TWO..... a Huge explosion.... No Collateral damage, a
nearby group watching Larry Jennings do "no get ready double lifts"
does not even look up!
Again, a Jet Helicopter flies into view. The pilot -- the special guest
star -- Tom Cruise roars to the target with the girl singer on his
lap.... he sights what "was" the middle bunker... lines up the laser,
and HE LETS HIS GIRLFRIEND press the button. The missile goes way off
target destroying a set of Linking Rings that Whit Hayden had handed to
a group of innent Magic Dealers. The Jennings group still does not look
up. Just before the copter leaves the scene, Cruise lets his final
weapon loose, a Guided Stock Car with Mello Yello painted on its side.
It crashes into the bunker bursts into flames and Cruise rushes off to
another movie set.
The excited spectators wait. They are looking to see D.C. emerge from
the final bunker. There is movement... but what is this.... a THIRD
HELICOPTER comes over the horizon.... it has NO MARKINGS on it... Radar
says it has come from a parking lot in IRAN.... a single bomb is thrown
out the door, it hits the ground short, but does not detonate... it
rolls toward the bunker... the bunker door opens and a figure is seen
but the bomb explodes destroying the bunker and its occupant.
The unmarked helicopter lands, the cameras zoom in... it is....
(OK there are two possibles: 1 - it is Copperfield. 2 - it is Penn and
Teller and they announce to the world they have really become the Bad
Boys of Magic by KILLING the good boy of magic... fade to black,
titles, credits.... tears by many.

Msg #7212  Dated 10:14:16  02-21-91  7186 <--> 7213
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   RIVERBOAT GAMBLER?

Who is Ricky Penn? And is Del Ray still working? Anybody know if he was
ever on the Ed Sullivan show?

Msg #7213  Dated 10:14:54  02-21-91  7205 <--> 7218
From: PETE BIRO
To:   MAX MAVEN (X)
Re:   RIVERBOAT GAMBLER?

I have a message on my phone machine from Tomsoni and as soon as it
isn't TOO EARLY I will call him.

Msg #7215  Dated 10:17:08  02-21-91  7196 <--> 7247
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   SIGNED BILL TO WALLET

The BEST is the Seabrooke version -- but for gods sake write your own
gags ... oh, sorry DR. I know you will do it YOUR WAY.... ask me to
show you the EZ handling at Seminar

Msg #7216  Dated 10:18:27  02-21-91
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re:   MY MESSAGE EARLIER

You might want to (if you wish) print the Copperfield put on I poster
here earlier today.
It might be a fun piece in Genii.

Msg #7217  Dated 11:02:18  02-21-91  7211 <--> 7224
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

A helmeted figure emerges from the chopper. It is Copperfield who pulls
a chained Sadaam H from the gun door. Penn and Teller dig their way out
of the third bunker wearing jams and loud beach shirts. Teller is
wearing a baloon dog on his head and grins as he wipes the dirt from
his brow. The spectators at the close up table still not looking up.
Fade to black.

Msg #7218  Dated 11:31:08  02-21-91  7205 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   MAX MAVEN (X)
Re:   RIVERBOAT GAMBLER?

        My friend thinks that maybe there was a misunderstanding
between St. Louis and Pennsylvania, though there was the
opportunity for a private (secret) taping in Missouri at the
formers mansion where the aging magi was booked to perform a
while back. It doesn't make any sense to me but would be
surprised to learn that it was out and out plagerism. Once you
get caught in the sixth grade copying somebody elses work seems
like you'd learn unless I guess if you can overcome that sick
feeling you get you might stand a chance at a life of crime. Me,
I don't know but I hate that feeling. I'm glad my conscience
survived the insanity.





Msg #7219  Dated 16:24:35  02-21-91  7202 <--> 7282
From: STAN LAKE
To:   DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re:   FORCE DECKS

I thought you were out of town (Texas?) so I did hold on to them.  My
address is 9250 Sunland Blvd. #11, Sun Valley, CA, 91352.  Are you ever
in the area of the Magic Castle?  I would much rather just make a swap
there as I had three decks for Burt Carpenter lost in the mail.  If you
aren't in the area then I will go ahead and mail them but I will be
sure to insure them just in case.  Let me know how you want to do it.

Msg #7220  Dated 16:33:01  02-21-91  7204 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To:   ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re:   PIZZA...

Baghdad does have a chain of pizza parlours.  Not Dominoes- Bombinoes.
Guaranteed delivery to your bunker in 30 minutes.  Air raids
permitting!

Msg #7221  Dated 16:37:41  02-21-91  7210 <--> 7226
From: STAN LAKE
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Hi Burt!  A couple of things- Doug Larson would like the force decks I
had reserved for him.  I kept a couple of decks for myself so how about
if I give you two decks and two bucks?
Also, if you have purchased a book on Pete's behalf which he already
has a copy of I don't mind buying if off of you.  Just let me know.

Msg #7222  Dated 17:25:35  02-21-91  -> 7223
From: MAX MAVEN
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   DEL RAY

Del will be getting a Fellowship, so he'll make a rare trip to the west
coast to attend the banquet. He'll perform his stage act, which he
plans to retire this year. As for the close-up, he's still going strong
so far as I know. I believe he's been booked for the Phoenix convention
that will take place around the time of the banquet (whether for stage,
close-up or both I do not know).
    "Slick Rick" is Rick Nieswonger, based in St. Louis. He has worked
under those names, and also as Ricky Penn, doing pickpocketing,
illusions and hyp.
    I saw a letter he wrote to Bill Larsen after the confrontation at
the Castle, in which he modifies his claim, but this toned-down version
is still at odds with what Del says.
    My money's on Del.

Msg #7223  Dated 18:54:22  02-21-91  7222 <--> 7227
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   MAX MAVEN (X)
Re:   DEL RAY

Good to hear Del Ray will do the stage act.

Msg #7224  Dated 19:10:42  02-21-91  7217 <--> 7244
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

Ok...

Msg #7226  Dated 19:11:33  02-21-91  7221 <--> 7236
From: PETE BIRO
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Thanks Kimosabe

Msg #7227  Dated 19:12:09  02-21-91  7222 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To:   MAX MAVEN (X)
Re:   DEL RAY

Just talked with "AND COMPANY" and she gave me the full scoop. I didn't
know who it was... but thanks mucho for filling me in. Just saw one of
the BEST ACTS I HAVE  SEEN SINCE THE RUSSIANS... ACT JUST GOT IN TIME
FOR SEMINAR CONTEST... LOOK OUT.... NAME OF ACT: Dancemagic, from
Switzerland.

Msg #7231  Dated 19:17:39  02-21-91  -> 7233
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ALL
Re:   OBIE O'BRIEN

A phone call from Joe Stevens, who just heard from Jay Marshall, Obie
O'brien was feeling poorly, and went to the sawbones... Doc took one
look at him put him into hospital (I don't know where) and will
probably be having open heart surgery by the time you read this!!!
Hang in their 'COACH' --- CHEEEEZ, WE NEED ALL THE GUYS TO STAY ON THE
PLANET WE CAN!!!q

Msg #7233  Dated 20:18:19  02-21-91  7231 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   OBIE O'BRIEN

What?

Msg #7236  Dated 21:32:37  02-21-91  7221 <--> 7283
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Stan, good to hear from you. Sounds fair about the decks. I am supposed
to take a client to the Castle next Tuesday. Perhaps we could make the
exchange then so you could save the postage.
 About the _COINMAGIC_ book Pete had originally ordered, see message
#7166 for a description to make sure it's the one you want. The _FOCUS_
books just came in and will get shipped out just as soon as I can get
with Max for the autographs.

Msg #7238  Dated 21:34:31  02-21-91
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   ALL
Re:   FUNRAISER UPDATE

Thanks for your support of the MAGIC! booksale fundraiser. As you all
know MAGIC! has no dues so various creative ways have been devised to
help support MAGIC! (direct contributions to David ARE accepted!) These
include the auctions held by Tabby Crabb and the booksale. For those of
you not familiar with the booksale, go to the files area and download
BOOKLIST.TXT. This is a list of new books for sale at regular prices
but you get a discount as no tax is charged and MAGIC! gets 10% of the
proceeds. The first participants are getting specially autographed
copies of _FOCUS_ by Phil Goldstein. Our thanks to all of them.  Those
lucky purchasers are:  Richard Hart
                             David Lichtman      |~~~~~~~|
                             David Vanvranken    | ^   ^ |
                             Trevor Griffiths   <| 0   0 |>
                             Stan Lake           |   ||  |
                                                 | \____/|
                                                 \_______/

Msg #7241  Dated 23:12:15  02-21-91  7173 <--> 7257
From: DANTE LARSEN
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   FEB GENII

sorry it took so long. i do the bagdad at the office and kept
overlooking the C.D. which is home. Howzit selling?

Msg #7242  Dated 23:27:37  02-21-91  7203 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re:   JUST HI

Welcome back, Doug!  I think that many of the messages that you missed
are already in files - MAGIC-13.TXT and MAGIC-14.TXT.  Good to "see"
you here again!

Msg #7244  Dated 23:40:01  02-21-91  7224 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   TABLE TOP

And I was just about to go into a long tirade about how there is really
no such thing as "comedy magic."  You two (Tabman being the other) have
me falling off my overhead projector and rolling in the rather limitied
floorspace here at MAGIC! central.  We've certainly never had anything
like THAT set of messages around here before.

Msg #7246  Dated 23:23:40  02-21-91  -> 7294
From: DANTE LARSEN
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

Pete, saw you earlier query for a copy of the Buzz magazine with the
Dai Vernon article written by Ricky Jay. I picked one up for you today
and will send it pending your reply if you got one yet or not. If you
did already get one I'll put it in the Castle library where it should
last about 15 minutes before the infamous a*****e decides it would go
nice on his/her coffee table. As a matter of fact I wouldn't put it in
the library, I would make a copy instead. know why? Last week I put a
skeptical inquirer mag in the mail bin for Bill Pol figuring some magi
may find it to their taste (Bill Pol is the librarian) the next day on
my daily trip in & out to pick up Suzanne it was GONE. Yup, in ONE DAY
it was lifted. The March issue of Genii will be lacking video reviews
because the tapes for review, in Billy McCombs slot, were taken OUT OF
THE WRAPPERS, Leaving ONLY THE WRAPPERS. Man oh Man, I am on a mission
to eliminate this person/s from the facilities forever. The new Library
IS right around the corner and it will feature a personal parts
collection under glass of those with no morals to discourage future
scum.  Make sense. Or, we could put all the stuff in boxes set it in
glass, never mind. Terry Seabrook is at the castle this
week............ I don't know about running the copperfield piece in
Genii. It seemed clever but blowing up bunkers means blowing up people
killing sucks man. What year is it?. Finally, before I wear out my
welcome WAIT TILL you read the advice Dai gave to Ricky Jay. Classic!
But why didn't he ever say that in the Vernon Touch? Sorry folks, can't
print it online. It might get to Cincinnati.

Msg #7247  Dated 23:46:41  02-21-91  7215 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   SIGNED BILL TO WALLET

Actually, yes, I DID plan to do it my way.  As a matter of fact, I want
to imbed it in something else.  Seabrooke's version take any gaffed
props that have to be bought?

Msg #7256  Dated  5:50:46  02-22-91  -> 7258
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To:   ALL
Re:   FARO SHUFFLE

   Good friend of mine from college, Robert Walker, does perfect table
riffle faros.  (He's also a "Twisting the Aces" nut, but that's a
different story.)  While we were in college, he use to practice by
doing 8 of 'em in a row, quickly and evenly.  Of course, this put the
deck back in its original order.  They were so smooth, none of this
occasional reweaving or starting over.  Even though I never got the
hang of the tabled version (occasionally I can get one), Bobby did
teach me the in-the-hands version.  Told me it was easy, and I believed
him!  After considerable practice, I did get the hang of it.  An added
bonus is that you get good at cutting 26 cards -- this by itself is
useful for some neat effects.
A tip for faro shuffling is to use a good deck.  Old decks with broken
corners are almost impossible to faro.  And new decks need to be broken
in.  A Marlo tip is to rub each of the four corners against a surface
to "smooth" them.  For some reason, some decks just seem to faro easier
than others.  If you find one that does, keep it around for faro
effects.
Some people weave from the top down, but I weave from the bottom up.
It is nice to be able to weave both ways.  For more details see Marlo's
booklets Faro Shuffle and Faro Notes.
In addition there are some neat mathematical principles that apply to
faro shuffling that can be exploited.  For example the 18th and 35th
card from top swap places after each (out) faro, very useful
information indeed.  Then there is the Stay Stack.  With this, the
cards stay stacked relative to one another after any number of faros.
 If you are mathematically inclined, you'll love playing around with
some of the other properties of the faro.
There are some great tricks using the faro.  The new Elmsley books
should have some.  My favorite is Mike Skinner's "Carlyle's Ghost" from
Epilogue magazine.  A note on this effect is that the original used the
name Frances Carlyle to spell to the chosen card.  I replaced this with
a name that also spells with 14 letters, Charlie Randall!
Now the really good stuff is the perfect table riffle faro push-through
shuffle.  Huh??????!!!!
As for the unshuffle effect, it appeared in Genii at least 20 years ago
in Charlie Miller's Magicana section.  The author in that case was not
Paul Gertner, although it is usually associated with him.
Charlie

Msg #7257  Dated  6:16:53  02-22-91  7241 <--> 7274
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re:   FEB GENII

        This month was just fine. Gave me a chuckle aka laugh to
read all my names in one spot. Glad there are no magicians
gunning for any of us as I'd be in trouble.
        The CD is about sold out. The group is coming back in the
studio to remix most of the same stuff for a cassette release.
When the Bone Pony tapes come in I'll send one out to you.
Rapidly becoming my fave of groups I work with (they're getting
hot). If all goes as planned I'll be in Redondo Beach in mid May
with the boys for a few daze. I missed my usual Feb trip to LA
this year as Grammys were in NYC this year. Maybe they'll be in
Nashville next time (probably LA tho - I don't mind).
        The Harkey stuff you've been running is primo also nice
to see an issue devoted to a "producer" as us behind the scenes
guys need a boost ever once ina while too.
        Did you catch the magic on the Grammy show with MC
Hammer?


Msg #7258  Dated 10:59:02  02-22-91  7256 <--> 7388
From: JEFF BUSBY
To:   CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re:   FARO SHUFFLE

You might also want to check the material in _Cardiste_ by Russduck,
the inventor of the Stay Stack along with the material in Marlo's _FARO
CONTROLLED MIRACLES_, and Swinford's stuff for a more complete
overview.  Even the earliest material in _EXPERT CARD TECHNIQUE_ is
pretty interesting -- including Charlie Miller's method for the Tabled
Riffle Faro.  The 18/35 transposition first appeared in that book -- 50
years ago -- based on Fred Black's Faro Tables, the granddaddy of them
all.

I used to think I was pretty hot stuff because I could do eight Tabled
Riffle Faros in under a minute to recyle the deck (according to Mel
Brown who clocked me).  Want a humbling experience? Meet Gabriel Moreno
of Spain -- one of the guys from the Escuela Magia de Madrid.  It's
enough the guy does it without hesitation, but he does 2 into 2s, 3
into 3s, and 4 into 4s!  I'm not speaking of the gag Double Faro idea
that appeared in _Ibidem_ (and you must have checked out Ronnie Wohl's
Faro material that appeared in #36 -- there is much more that is still
unpublished).  Moreno really does it with no butting of the deck.  He
can drop them in perfect pairs, threes, and fours -- plop, plop, plop,
and very fast.   By the way, he can also deal not only great seconds,
but thirds, fourths, fifths, etc.  And, taking that idea even further,
he deals sets under sets:  He can deal out, for instance, a BLOCK of
three cards from UNDER three, four from under four, and five from under
five.  Just unbelieveable!  You want to commit suicide.  O.K., I
concede it's mostly exhibition stuff, but it looks great, and he
practices his butt off on this stuff for weeks before he shows it, is
into zen and martial arts, but he CAN AND DOES DO IT.

Somebody should bring this guy over to the U.S.  He'd set the
technicians here agog.  Unfortunately, he's a bit of a will o' the wisp
and doesn't speak English. He published the methods for the block deals
in a paper with Luis Garcia about a decade ago, but strictly in Spanish
for the Escorial attendees.

Also you may want to check Jerry Andrus' ideas in _KURIOUS KARDS_ (I
think) on preparing a deck for the Faro Shuffle.  I think Jerry was the
first to publish a method for controlled Faros (the Bottom Up that you
do and I prefer) in _ANDRUS DEALS YOU IN_ way back in the early 1950s.

I'm assuming your reference to a Tabled Riffle Faro Push-Through
Shuffle is intended as a gag.  Funny, but what you might not realize is
there IS a use for it and it's very subtle and is good for both
magicians and laymen. References to my work with it have been in print
for over ten years.  Yeah, I'm being obscure, but it's no gag.



Msg #7263  Dated 12:08:45  02-22-91
From: STAN LAKE
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   COIN BOOK

Burt, message number 7166 is about Tabmans framed check for auction,
not about your book.  Could you please describe it again?  I have to
get in a habit of writing down some of these message numbers as they go
by so I can refer back to them.  You mentioned about meeting at the
Castle.  Sounds good.  Leave me a message or call me at (818) 768-6181.
My in-laws are in town this weekend and I'm not sure if I will be able
to go this Saturday as I usually do.  Do get in touch and we'll work it
out.  Thanks!

Msg #7267  Dated 16:29:39  02-22-91  -> 7276
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   ALL
Re:   LETTERS TO PLATO

Dear Plato,
        Biro is on the road. Dr. Light is on the road. And Gloria
thinks I should get a haircut (been over a year) and I should be
working on my taxes.
        Looking forward to Charlie Randall's visit next weekend
as I could use some new (old) Pallbearer's and a nice break. Last
night I was reading through my file of Seance Magazine. What an
excellent publication. Too bad its going to stop its run in two
issues.  What else is there out there like it?
        MAGIC! has been mucho great lately. Someday we'll publish
a "Best of Magic!" so we can read it all again by the glow of the
fire some winter's evening and it would make a great fundraising
project. Speaking of which, the Okito Check Frame Auction will
begin tomorrow as soon as I write up a notice probably in the
morning. Would like to start it at midnight but what time zone. I
guess MAGIC! operates on west coast time so we'll have to shoot
for midnight Saturday night. It turned out so great that the
donor himself (not me) suggested he might bid. He has now sworn
me to secrecy and made me sware on a stack of Sphinx Magazines
that I'd never tell. I will leave a clue as to the donor
sometime, someplace but you'll never figure it out. I'll leave
another clue someplace in/on the piece but the buyer will be hard
pressed to discover the secret also. Say, this is fun. There's
more than one way to fool a magician as grandma used to say.
        Dr. Lichtman started a card in envelope in wallet thread.
I must admit it is one of the most powerful tricks you can do for
the laypeople. Why are they called laypeople anyway? I would
think that effectively working a crowd of magic entheusists would
be most satisfying too. It's fun to be fooled by a magician with
a pleasing personality and a flair for presentation & I've made
some good friends by being a good audience.
        Ray Mertz has an easy and effective Card In Envelope In
Wallet routine which uses a "Himber" type wallet. In Ray's effect
the envelope is signed but I can't say more as it may be in the
Ray Mertz issue of Magic Menu which is coming out in a few
months. Maybe Dante can get him for Genii sometime as Ray does
lots of closeup (and parlour) shows each week and is a top draw
at The Forks Hotel which is for sale again - any takers,
partners.
        Say, how bout an effect from Harrison Carroll the great
trade show worker. I've seen Harrison work and he's smoothe as
whipped cream and makes the audience scream and looks like a
dream (don't even think about getting the wrong idea I was
looking for another rhyme) and plays on the team. Sorry, been
drinking coffeee with spiced rum all day so I'd better get outa
here. Back later.
                                        aka tabmann

PS: Max was right. Al Mann has moved to south to West Virginia
and I have his address now thanx to Jeff Busby.





Msg #7268  Dated 17:39:41  02-22-91  -> 7272
From: JIM SISTI
To:   ALL
Re:   DAVID ACER

 David Acer, a rising young magic star from Canada and creator of
"Nomen Omen" is my house guest this weekend.  I was just showing him
MAGIC! and I thought I would say "Hello" for him and for myself while
we were here.  He's down here for the New England Magicians Convention
tomorrow.

Msg #7270  Dated 17:55:57  02-22-91  -> 7278
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   WRONG NUMBER

Stan try message 7176 to find out about the book. I dont know whaty
happened. I have a printout here that definately shows the message as
#7166 but you are right when you go back and read it that one is about
Tabby's auction. I just went back to the main menu and scanned the
messages to find the right one it is (today) #7176 Re:Biro's Brain,
Gone?
Dr.L, whats going on with the numbers?

Msg #7272  Dated 20:34:56  02-22-91  7268 <--> 7277
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   DAVID ACER

Tell David we said hello. Enjoyed his work in Magic Menu and others.
Where is the NE Magic Conv held and what's going on?

Msg #7274  Dated 23:07:51  02-22-91  7257 <--> 7284
From: DANTE LARSEN
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   FEB GENII

Good to hear it's selling. I caught the final minutes of the M.C.
Hammer magic bit. Looked like Franz Harary might have had a hand in
that. I was more glad that the Hammer was featuring magic and hopes he
includes it in the next tour. I'm curious if he is a magic buff or if
it was just some grammy set dressing. He has a positive message for
inner city youth and magic would seem like an ideal alternative to the
grim realities inner city children face in America each day. Why does
magic get so much support for the kiwanis club kids but seems to ignore
the kids that really need it? the hurtin'? just a thought. Thanks
Hammer but can the Taco Bell commercials.

Msg #7276  Dated 23:21:05  02-22-91  7267 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   LETTERS TO PLATO

Dear Socrates:

You've almost got me tempted to stay up until midnight just to see if
you really do it!  It is fairly close now, but I'm awfully tired.

To clarify what I'm looking for, it is really a signed bill into sealed
envelope in wallet.


Msg #7277  Dated 23:24:14  02-22-91  7268 <--> 7305
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   DAVID ACER

Please deliver a "Hi!" back from MAGIC! central to David Acer.  Have
heard some very good things about him.  He'll certainly be welcome here
on MAGIC! anytime.

Msg #7278  Dated 23:26:39  02-22-91  7270 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   WRONG NUMBER

Can't be the message number, Burt.  I just went back twice and read
7176 and it WAS about the book, not about Tabby's auction!  Someone (or
sometwo) typed the message number wrong.  Will check it a couple of
other ways, but so far message 7176 is as solid as a rock.

Msg #7282  Dated  1:26:41  02-23-91  7219 <--> 7299
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   FORCE DECKS

Stan,
I live in Glendale and work in the Beverly Center (at The Tinder Box)
As I will be Terminating all my help tomorrow I expect to be tied to
the store for the next two weeks. (Things didnt go so good while I was
out of town). I do get to the castle but not with any regularity, I'm
not a member yet. If you want to do a swap I'll send you the money and
you can just hold them for a while.  Another drop site is the Tinder
Box store in the Glendale Galleria. My wife is the manager of that
store and she would be glad to bring me yet another deck of "magic"
cards(yah right) If you want to send them use UPS, they have a much
better success rate than Uncle Sams P.O.  Let me know.

Msg #7283  Dated  1:43:55  02-23-91  7176 <--> 7300
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Burt,
If this book is not spoken for I'm speaking for it. It's definatly not
in my collection and would like to have it.
Thanks
Doug

Msg #7284  Dated  2:28:16  02-23-91  7274 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To:   DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re:   FEB GENII

It was Franz Harary's doing; he has designed illusions for quite a
number of pop and rap touring shows.

Msg #7285  Dated  3:07:38  02-23-91  -> 7289
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To:   ALL
Re:   CLOSE-UP MIRROR

Here's something many of you may already have.  This is not
a new idea, I have seen it suggested somewhere before.  I
didn't know how easy it would be to do.  For those who don't
have a practice mirror this makes a very inexpensive way to
make your own close-up practice mirror.

I went to Standard Brands and bought three 12 inch mirror
tiles, three 12 inch self adhesive floor tiles and a 5 yd.
roll of black Super-stik cloth  tape. The tiles were stuck
on the back of the mirrors to give a finished appearance and
to protect the mirrors from being broken while it is stored
or being carried. Next I bordered the mirror/tiles with a
piece of the tape that I split in half (the tape comes 1.5
inches wide) so there were no sharp edges to get cut on.
Finally, I used the tape to make hinges between the three
mirror/tiles so the finished mirror can be folded into a 12
inch square for easy storage or to take it with you.

Cost to build:
                   3 mirrors @ .99 = 2.97
                   3 tiles   @ .79 = 2.37
                   1 roll tape     = 1.99
                                 ----------
                                    $7.33 plus tax

The assembly of the whole project took me about 2 hours.
I hope this may help some of you to put this little project
together.  If you need more specific instructions let me
know.
               Doug

Msg #7286  Dated  6:46:26  02-23-91  -> 7337
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   ALL
Re:   BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO

        OK, so I didn't make it to left coast midnite lst night
but I didn't say which nite plus its gotta be midnight somewhere
right now.

        I'm ready for bids on the framed check from BERG MAGIC to
THEO. BAMBERG with both gents signatures. This baby is worth at
least a hundred bucks the way it sits so let it start there. As
usual should you accept this assignment ALL proceeds will go for
the benefit of MAGIC!s daily operation, etc.

        Winning bidder to be announced at the MAGIC! breakfast in
Lost Wages Friday March 22, 1991 and shortly thereafter on MAGIC!
unless of course the winner wishes like the donor to remain a
shadow. Good luck!


        Do I hear 100.



Msg #7289  Dated 12:34:43  02-23-91  7285 <--> 7302
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re:   CLOSE-UP MIRROR

Doug - Using the adhesive tiles on the back is a terrific idea.  I've
used the mirror tiles and tape to build practice mirrors, but never did
like the exposed backs and the risk of breakage.  Thanks!

Msg #7294  Dated 13:44:10  02-23-91  7246 <--> 7301
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

The quote certainly didn't sit very well with some.  Cervon claims that
the Professor NEVER used that kind of language.
I, for one, am ALL FOR the "Personal Parts Collection."  It's very sad
that so much is missing from the library.  I've been disappointed many
times by "missing" volumes.  The answer lies in better security,
(perhaps the new library will solve this).  I would also recommend a
review of new membership policy to see if there might be some better
screening process.  Unfortunately, it only takes ONE low-life
slime-bucket to undermine the fraternal nature of the Castle.

Msg #7295  Dated 15:33:04  02-23-91
From: JIM HOY
To:   ALL
Re:   MAGI FEST

Did anyone attend the Magi Fest earlier this month in Columbus, Ohio?
If you did, what did you think of it???

Msg #7299  Dated 17:55:40  02-23-91  7282 <--> 7303
From: STAN LAKE
To:   DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re:   FORCE DECKS

I think my wife will be at the Galleria sometime this coming week.  If
not, I can definitely be there this coming Friday as I will be just
down the street.  So I will go ahead and drop them off at the Tinder
Box at the Galleria.

Msg #7300  Dated 18:01:27  02-23-91  7283 <--> 7304
From: STAN LAKE
To:   DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

I was going to purchase that book but you are more than welcome to it.
I have so many I have yet to read before I get any more!

Msg #7301  Dated 19:52:05  02-23-91  7294 <--> 7307
From: DANTE LARSEN
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

Iwonder if the quote was injected as some spice to get it in a "hip"
(pheww!) national mag. I did hear though that Vernon was quite the
ladies man, at least that's what my mom said.  I know for a fact that
due to the cretin(s) that steal from the library (stealinmg from a
library - geez) certain artifacts have been kept under lock and key
until the new facilities are ready (soon). Also, in a library with
books on lock-picking and the like trust has always been encouraged. It
is after all for the members.

Msg #7302  Dated 21:12:58  02-23-91  7289 <--> 7309
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   CLOSE-UP MIRROR

I saw one made that had cardboard taped on the back and just took it a
step further. A finished appearance is more "professional" and it keeps
your brain thinking about a polished performance.

Msg #7303  Dated 21:17:56  02-23-91  7299 <-
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   FORCE DECKS

As they say "The check is in the mail", well it will be on monday.
Thanks

Msg #7304  Dated 21:18:59  02-23-91  7300 <--> 7322
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To:   STAN LAKE (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

I only replied if there were no others before me.  If you don't want it
I will let the offer stand but you have first choice.

Msg #7305  Dated 21:47:08  02-23-91  7272 <--> 7306
From: JIM SISTI
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   DAVID ACER

NEMCON is held in North Haven, CT every year.  This year featured JOhn
Carney, Meir Yedid and Chris Carey.  We just got back a few moments
ago.  David says "Hi!" (Actually, what I said was "Hello", but Jim's
too damn tired to care).
s

Msg #7306  Dated 21:50:04  02-23-91  7277 <--> 7310
From: JIM SISTI
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   DAVID ACER

[Reply from David Acer] Thanks, David. MAGIC! is a terrific idea,
although I'm not computer oriented myself (whatever the hell that
means). I am, however, quite proficient with my toaster.

Msg #7307  Dated  0:33:25  02-24-91  7294 <--> 7314
From: T A WATERS
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

Re the Professor's language -- Cervon said that to me, and I told him
I have heard Vernon talk that way more than once, and so have others;
it is, also, a rather unimportant point in an excellent article -- and
I certainly don't think anyone would think the less of the Professor
for using such words -- not these days, anyway...

Msg #7309  Dated  1:09:29  02-24-91  7302 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re:   CLOSE-UP MIRROR

Mine has nothing taped on the back.  But I think I'm going to check out
the adhesive tiles.  Since it isn't a prop and I don't see the back I'm
not too worried about the appearance - I'm sure you've seen what things
look like backstage - but I believe that the tiles will increase the
safety.

Msg #7310  Dated  1:11:28  02-24-91  7306 <--> 7311
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   DAVID ACER

To David Acer: Don't know if this message will reach you or if you will
have already left Jim's place (in which case, perhaps he will be kind
enough to print it and mail it to you).  There is no problem with using
a toaster to communicate with MAGIC!  As long as you can attach a modem
to it you will be fine.  Although, in the case of a toaster, you may
have to modify the "cereal" port (Jim will explain).

Seriously, there are some folks who have now bought computers mainly to
stay in touch with MAGIC!  There are many inexpensive computers that
can be used, although they lack some features that are very desirable
(the Radio Shack Color Computer for about $100 comes to mind).  Very
fine machines can be bought used, etc.  Just don't loose the phone
number (818-896-7450) and remember that you have to leave a COMMENT
in order to be registered.

Msg #7311  Dated  8:04:28  02-24-91  7310 <--> 7312
From: JIM SISTI
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   DAVID ACER

(From David Acer)  I have recently adapted my typewriter by placing a
TV set on it.  This has yet to work although I have not built up the
courage to actually turn the thing on...

Msg #7312  Dated 11:01:06  02-24-91  7311 <--> 7319
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   DAVID ACER

It is possible to build your own computer, starting with a typewriter
and a television set.  A few intermediate electronics are also
required.  As a start, however, you should take the typewriter ribbon
and attach it to the antenna terminals of the television -- Jim can
explain this "ribbon cable" to you.

Msg #7313  Dated 11:03:00  02-24-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   ALL
Re:   BERG/OKITO AUCTION

The bid stands at 150. Yes, the frame will carry the tabman shop mark.
Working in studio today. Back later tonite.

Msg #7314  Dated 11:59:45  02-24-91  7301 <--> 7315
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

The issue, as I understand it, is not whether or not the Professor was
a "Ladies' Man" but rather his style and manner which is arguably
inconsistant with the quote.  We're talking about a presentation of the
Professor's "image" here and it's understandable that there are those
who are protective of him in this regard.
Regarding the library situation...do you think the new facilities will
solve the problem entirely?  If not, what other measures do you
suggest?

Msg #7315  Dated 12:11:44  02-24-91  7307 <--> 7316
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   T A WATERS (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

I particularly enjoyed your comment, "Well, maybe you know better.
I've only known The Professor since 1960."
Bruce does have a point.  It's entirely subjective and I think it comes
out of a love for the man and a desire to protect him at a time when
his age and physical condition may be seen to prevent him from doing so
himself.

Msg #7316  Dated 13:39:58  02-24-91  7315 <--> 7333
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

I believe that loyalty over long periods of time is the longest,
strongest suit in the deck of friendship.

Msg #7317  Dated 14:27:49  02-24-91  -> 7320
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PLATO
Re:   QUIET INSANITY

        Am most happy to hear that some of you enjoy my typings
and derive some measure of pleasure from them. Magic in general
is undergoing a changing of the guard perhaps in tune and in time
with the rest of the world.
        We are saddened by so many losses lately of important
figures in the magic world. We are lucky to part of a general
body that remembers the departed and their contributions to the
field. It is better to be remembered by a small group of good
fellows (using fellows by definition #8 in Webster's Collegiate
Dict. as person belonging to a learned society) than to be
forgotten by the world at large for sure.
        I raise my glass to the west at evening and call their
names and ask to be remembered to them by the great spirit. I
watch the sunset for a moment and smile and understand the
motivating force bonding not only man by the heart, but by the
intellect.
        Magic has a way of attracting inquiring minds. Minds that
rarely sleep. Minds that burn the match of desire to move
forward. Harry Anderson said that magicians were not born to make
lots of money. I think in an offhand way he was speaking of love.
You can't deny, my friends, the reason you are here.
        Quiet, one of the old ones raises his glass, "We have
tried to follow not only your art, but your presentation. We have
spent long hours in solitude practicing moves that in your hands
were peotry. We toast you now because by learning that we cannot
be you we've learned we can be ourselves. We will remember."





Msg #7318  Dated 14:45:49  02-24-91
From: STEVE BRYANT
To:   ALL
Re:   HER, AGAIN IN APPROXIMATE

                ANDRE KOLE AT INDIANA UNIVERSITY

Msg #7319  Dated 16:13:03  02-24-91  7312 <--> 7321
From: JIM SISTI
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   DAVID ACER

(From David Acer)  Jim has explained the ribbon cable to me, and also
his variations...including the cut and restored ribbon cable, the
mis-made ribbon cable, and finally, the little-known, seldom-seen
color-changing cable-to-dove.  Heading back to Montreal.  Thanks for
the kind words.  Hope to speak with you again soon.

Msg #7320  Dated 17:57:40  02-24-91  7317 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   QUIET INSANITY

Incredible, Tabman.  Simply beautiful.

Msg #7321  Dated 17:58:24  02-24-91  7319 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   DAVID ACER

(To David Acer)  Hey, David, if they've got phones in Montreal, get a
modem and give us a call!

Msg #7322  Dated 22:07:30  02-24-91  7304 <--> 7345
From: STAN LAKE
To:   DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

I have no need for the book at this time so you are welcome to it.  I
will probably get it a year or two down the road when it is even more
hard to find and consequently more expensive!

Msg #7326  Dated  0:28:29  02-25-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   DRUMMERS, ETC.

Sonny Rollins used to practice at the top of the Brooklyn (or
Williamsburg, I forget which and several authors have documented it)
Bridge at around midnight.

Msg #7327  Dated  0:25:19  02-25-91  -> 7354
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ALL
Re:   TABMAN

Tabman is priceless! Forget the haircut. I did. Just back from road
trip, staying up too late watching CNN. Guy caught me with a great gag.
I said I had not seen Bernard Shaw on the tube lately. He said, "hadn't
you heard of the movie he's doing?
"
I said, "NO". He said, yeah, "DANCING WITH WOLF BLITZER!"
Here's one nobody will believe BUT IS   TRUE.
Driving back to Hotel last night, got off the 8 Freeway (in San Diiego
near the football stadium) and under the freeway overpass (late night
after midnite) was a guy with a full set of drums, set up and playing
drum solo, like mad. When I got into the   hotel bar and told  an
associate he said the guy was there the night bvefore tooo. And this AM
when I  left fo the airport, the guy was there again. What's next, a
Bass Soloist? No kiding this was true. Sorry about typos, am almost
asleep at tghe keyboard here....arggghhhhh
This group of guys I was with were really going nuts in the bar. A
good lookin' lady would walke by and these guys (about 6 of them) would
fall off their chairs and roll across the floor (honest) literally roll
across the floor after her. Laying flat on their bodies on the floor.,
reallyo crazy site. Must've bgeen the Stolichnoya rocks i wuz sippin

Msg #7329  Dated  1:25:02  02-25-91  -> 7353
From: SHAWN FARQUHAR
To:   ALL
Re:   GREETINGS

Hi I just wanted to say hello and tell all of you how nice it is too
see so many active magicians in the States.  I am From Vancouver Canada
and feel rather isolated from the action.  I look forward to at least
talking with a few of you on a more regular basis.  Thanks.

Msg #7331  Dated  9:08:58  02-25-91  -> 7362
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ALL
Re:   LIFE'S GOAL

I heard this on TV, so I guess it is OK here. Comic said, "My Life'.*s
repeat (line noise at end of line one?)
My Life's Goal is to find PIDGEONS and shit on THEM!"

Msg #7332  Dated  9:10:14  02-25-91  -> 7363
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ALL
Re:   GREAT VISUAL GAG

The guys rolling across the floor in the hotel lobby the other night
reminds me of a gag I used to do (with a freind or two) when I was
much, much younger.
If you are in an elevator with a couple of buddies, going down to the
lobby... LAY ON THE FLOOR. When the door opens, if there are people
waiting to get on, slowly get up saying 'BOY THAT WAS THE QUICKEST
STOPPING ELEVATOR I'VE EVER BEEN ON.'
 The guys I told it about the other night came up with an improvement
(they said they would do it this way) "Hey, we'll all get up on the
railing and when the door opens fall to the
floor!!!
correction (line went crazy above)
railing and when the door is opening FALL onto the floor! Ah, drunken
youthful nuts!
This is corny, but as Bill
Larsenk
Andother bad line? This is corny now, but years ago I did this in hotel
room parties. I wouldj walk in with my ever-present camera around my
neck and say, "Can I take your Pictures?" They would say "sure" so I
would just walk around the room and take the pictures hanging, off the
wall and go out the dooslr with
them.
wall and walk out the door with them.
Note: the crazy broken lines above seem to happen when I backspace to
correct things. Maybe it will be ok when delivered??? Lemme Know David.

Msg #7333  Dated 10:39:13  02-25-91  7316 <--> 7355
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

We obviously think alike, Mr. Tabman.
I've never said it quite that way but you can be sure I will.
Our philosophy sometimes seems anachronistic in the 90's.

Msg #7337  Dated 11:48:08  02-25-91  7286 <--> 7370
From: JEFF BUSBY
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO

Do I have it correct?  Is this a check from Joe Berg to Theo Bamberg
(Okito) signed by Joe on the front and endorsed by Okito on the back?
 This must be from the days when Okito was building for Joe back in the
1940s -- a piece of memorabilia that any Bamberg fan would love to have
and hold.  I'm almost as interested in the clue you've built into the
display frame!  Neat idea.  Bids are private to you?



Msg #7345  Dated 20:07:47  02-25-91  7283 <--> 7371
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Sounds like it's yours. Stan has  graciously conceded to your desires.
Send $35.00+2.50 shipping to Burt Carpenter,23900 Ironwood B126, Moreno
Valley, CA 92387. As always I'll donate 10% to MAGIC!
   Pete, it seems you are off the hook!

Msg #7346  Dated 20:13:52  02-25-91  -> 7422
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re:   BIG BROTHER

I also don't believe in stirring the sleeping giant at the State Board
of Equalization (That name sounds communist doesn't it?) What is your
address so I can send you a copy of my resale license?

Msg #7347  Dated 20:14:44  02-25-91  -> 7472
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To:   ALL
Re:   COPPERFIELD'S SPECIAL

 Can anyone provide broadcast date of this years special? I also saw
John Carney lecture at CT's NECOM this past weekend a fine job despite
his cold. Thanks Jim Sisti for your newsletter ..nice content,great
job. Dick Wilson what are you registered under. Tried to leave message
but it would not take. That's all from CT.
sg #7348  Dated 20:21:24  02-25-91  -> 7349
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   LAYING LOW

Is Biro back? You're always missed when you're done.

Msg #7349  Dated 20:23:15  02-25-91  7348 <--> 7372
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   LAYING LOW

Should read, "...when you're gone." Rolling across the floor, my word!

Msg #7350  Dated 20:24:13  02-25-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN
Re:   THE OLD ONE'S TOAST

Thanks.

Msg #7351  Dated 20:25:15  02-25-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   VERNON'S FRIENDS

No doubt.

Msg #7353  Dated 21:13:00  02-25-91  7329 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   SHAWN FARQUHAR
Re:   GREETINGS

Shawn, welcome to MAGIC!, and don't feel left out. Many of us come from
areas that are far from other magicians. Most of the time that makes
for a better magician as you are not influenced by poor quality of
performance of other locals. Michael Ammar, who is getting a lot of
press these days told David and I about how he grew up in a small Texas
town with books as his only source of magic inspiration. Today he is an
international performer. Some of magics great innovators were secluded
introverts who used there isolation as an advantage. Isolation gives
you the opportunity to be creative instead of being tempted to copy the
performances you see around you. Tell us more aboot yourself. What kind
of magic do you do? 

Msg #7354  Dated 21:16:37  02-25-91  7327 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   TABMAN

far better the drummer that practices at midnight under the freeway
overpass than the one who practices at that hour in the hotel room next
to mine.!!!

Msg #7355  Dated 21:38:06  02-25-91  7246 <--> 7359
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

I was in a sporting goods store once that had a unique theft detterent.
It seems the store owner had been robbed a few times but after he
installed this device he has had NO trouble. that was over eight years
ago. The device? he mounted a loaded crossbow with a broadhead
arrowpoint from the ceiling. The crossbow was pointed at a spot
directly in front of the cash register and a string ran from the
trigger, down the wall to where the owner stood when opening the cash
register. Perhaps something like that could be rigged in the library
operated by remote control when the low life theif passed through the
the magnetic shoplifting sensors or video camera.
  On a more serious note, I hope those responsible are caught and
PROSECCUTED!!!
Then post his/her booking sheet on the bulletin board.

Msg #7359  Dated 23:25:53  02-25-91  7314 <--> 7360
From: DANTE LARSEN
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

Everything will be on microfilm and the close up mirror will be traded
in for a ladies compact.

Msg #7360  Dated 23:28:10  02-25-91  7355 <--> 7369
From: DANTE LARSEN
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

how about Ricky Jays arm spring loaded with a metallic card.

Msg #7362  Dated 23:42:20  02-25-91  7331 <--> 7373
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   LIFE'S GOAL

He actually said PIDGEONS on television???  Was the censor asleep?

Msg #7363  Dated 23:43:50  02-25-91  7332 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   GREAT VISUAL GAG

I have no idea what caused the broken lines, Pete.  Backspace usually
doesn't do that.

Personally, I've always wanted to walk up to some stranger's desk and
say, "May I borrow your phone?"  And when they say, "Yes," pull out a
wire clippers and well... you know the rest.

Msg #7367  Dated  0:24:48  02-26-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   ALL
Re:   NEW FILE

Steve Bryant has provided an interesting review of Andre Kole's recent
performance at Indiana University.  It is in the files area as KOLE.TXT

Thanks, Steve!

Msg #7369  Dated  8:38:07  02-26-91  7360 <--> 7395
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

It's easy. You need a Librarian with a Pit Bull. Actually, I think that
the Library should be CLOSED unless attended by a librarian (for awhile
to set the example anyhoo!)

Msg #7370  Dated  8:39:18  02-26-91  7337 <--> 7376
From: PETE BIRO
To:   JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re:   BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO

Has anyone told Joe Stevens or Doc Albo about this?

Msg #7371  Dated  8:39:47  02-26-91  7345 <--> 7413
From: PETE BIRO
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Nothing beats getting "off any hook!"

Msg #7372  Dated  8:40:31  02-26-91  7348 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   LAYING LOW

I am a missing person right now. At least mentally. Har!
Just tunin' the bass.

Msg #7373  Dated  8:41:39  02-26-91  7362 <--> 7380
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   LIFE'S GOAL

You should have seen/heard his routine about going to the bathroom when
he wakes us in the morning with a P*SS H***ON. Using the mike stand sa
as a graphic!
line 2 us should be UP

Msg #7375  Dated  9:09:25  02-26-91  -> 7384
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   TORN AND RESTORED CARDS

Hi Jim...
        Thanx for your call this morning letting me know that my
version of the torn and restored card trick, "Torn" which you've
published in your magazine had been traced to Karrell Fox' book
"Clever Like A Fox" under the title "Rip Off".
        This was actually good news to me as I'm glad to see
somebody else laying a prior claim to the effect besides Tom
Mullica to whom I bow to as being one of the most clever
magicians on the planet besides being one of the world's funniest
citizens. I took a lot of heat on that one because it was
included on Tom's video which came out in the mid 80s as opposed
to the Fox book which was published in 1976 according to Bart
Whaley's Who's Who In Magic though here again I don't have that
particular book, though I will be getting it now you can bet.
        When I heard your voice I this morning I thought you were
someone calling from radio land (are you in radio or tv? - if not
you oughta be) and was pleased to hear it was Jim Sisti.
        On another subject, "The Man Who Was Erdnase" book came
in this morning from Oakland. Ditto what Biro said, What A Book!
Wish I could check into a hotel for a coupla daze with room
service etc to read. I understand there are people who are
reading it through for the third time straight. Amazing. Get this
book if you can.
        Anyway, gotta get back to doing nothing (which I do quite
well, thank you). Actually I can't remember. I think I was petting
my dog Curley. Where's that book?
                             tabman


Msg #7376  Dated  9:38:49  02-26-91  7337 <--> 7378
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re:   BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO

        Yes, the year was 1941 and the check is made out to Theo.
Bamberg and endorsed by him on the back. I've compared the
signature to the Okito autograph in my copy of Quality Magic (not
as nice as the one I auctioned off, but no signature) and it
checks out. I would love to keep it myself, but I love MAGIC!
more that's why I decided to frame it to let part of myself go
forward with it and perhaps in a small part have an honored place
in some lucky magic lover's home or office for many years to
come. From this I derive my fame and pleasure knowing that maybe
I'll be remembered much as you will through your books and other
writings.
        tabman would honestly prefer that "one of us" get this
piece and that it will grace a small collection rather than
merely add in a small way to some grander, but no less revered
collection.
        I suspect that Berg was paying Okito for some apparatus
as the time frame certainly lines up to the days when the famed
magi moved to Chicago for his "retirement". Sure wish I knew what
he (Jos. Berg) was paying for and to somehow find the particular
apparatus or whatever to display along with the check. Would be
difficult unless one of these gents kept maticulous records and
they were still available. All we've got to go on right now is
the date and dollar figure. 40 dollars was a respectable sum in
1941 and would buy a nice piece of magic especially at wholesale
prices or direct to the builder.
        Yes, bids private to me. I've got an idea for another
auction piece in a couple of months too, but don't want to let
the cat out of the bag yet.
                                        tabman




Msg #7378  Dated 10:30:30  02-26-91  7337 <--> 7385
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re:   BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO

Sorry, should read 1949 instead of 1941. OK.

Msg #7380  Dated 13:42:17  02-26-91  7373 <--> 7387
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   LIFE'S GOAL

This wasn't network televison, right?  It was one of those kinky
channels you get on your cable?  Certainly doesn't sound like Kansas,
Toto.

Msg #7384  Dated 14:33:57  02-26-91  7375 <--> 7396
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   TORN AND RESTORED CARDS

Old joke. When someone says "Nothing" as answer to "wahtcha doin?" You
say, "How do you know when you're finished?"

Msg #7385  Dated 14:35:08  02-26-91  7376 <--> 7392
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO

Is it Houdini's American Express card?

Msg #7387  Dated 14:36:35  02-26-91  7380 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   LIFE'S GOAL

Twas HBO bwana... Just saw a group of prisoners wander into a scene
where a CNN camera guy was shooting already. The poor Iraqis were
crying, dropped and started kissing the marines! (One of which like
it!)

Msg #7388  Dated 14:43:12  02-26-91  7258 <--> 7393
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To:   JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re:   FARO SHUFFLE

Jeff, funny you should mention the "TABLED FARO RIFFLE PUSH-
THROUGH"whatever else Shuffle. Just witnessed the same last week.
Richard Turner was lecturing at Darwin's Wednesday Midnight
meeting in Las Vegas and it was AMAZING!  (On second thought it
may not have had a "push-through". It was so hard to tell.)After
Faro'ing the cards, he "squared" the cards in a typical springing
action, and stripped out the cards IMMEDIATELY followed by an Up
the Ladder style triple cut.  This cut neatly covered the
(usually odd looking) strip-out action.

His reasoning was very sound. If you need to Faro the cards to
set up something why would you draw suspicion by changing shuffle
styles midway through. It looks nicely consistent to Faro shuffle
and cut, followed by the exact motions of a couple Strip-out Faro
and cut sequences to maintain the set-up.  If you have seen
Richard work, you know what I mean anyway. Being nearly blind, he
has practiced his moves to such a degree that there is no doubt
when he executes a cut or control or whatever, the cards WILL be
there each and every time without needing to "peek" or check his
work. Of course we had to take his word for a lot of this, since
he was so smooth even when demonstrating we couldn't "catch"
anything anyway! (The "we" included Jimmy Grippo, Mike Skinner,
Alan Ackerman...)

You may have seen his Ad in Genii on card technique. He states
that the video has some views shot through a glass table to
reveal a behind the scenes peek at what is happening. I
personally can't justify his near $90 asking price (even if it is
for two volumes) but for a serious card mechanic it should be a
great reference.

On another note, I just bought Richard Osterlind's "Challenge
Magic" tape and agree 100 percent on his "Heavy-duty, Industrial
Strength Magic" claim. The material was well presented without
the Studio "Glitz" of other tapes, and his teaching was clearly
presented. I didn't even object to his advertising pitch at the
end as his items are a welcome change from Box  Tricks and
gimmicks so prevalent in magic shops nowdays.  I was mildly
disappointed in the packaging. A ragged photocopy glued to the
outside of the box could have been improved on with a simple
sleeve style box found in most stores for not much more money.(If
I happened to get an advance copy from my dealer, I apologise
now) Even so, the content exceeded the modest appearance and I am
glad to own such a tape.

Keep it up and I hope to meet you and everyone else at Desert
Magic.
                Dave VanVranken
ps. Darwin's meeting starts at 10:00 PM every wednesday night at
Pat's Jumbo Chinese Restaurant in the Commercial Center on Sahara
Ave. It is usually packed the night before Desert Magic so expect
a good time. Gary usually has a guest lecturer not booked at the
Seminar just to keep things interesting.

Msg #7390  Dated 15:32:00  02-26-91  -> 7409
From: MARVIN STERN
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN
Re:   CHECK

As I have heard nothing to the contrary, I assume that you have rec,d
my check for the Final Word.  Didn't want you to think that I had
stiffed you.

Msg #7392  Dated 16:30:08  02-26-91  7385 <--> 7400
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO

It might be the underwear Jarrett wore around the Windy City and at
Ireland Magic's backroom.

Msg #7393  Dated 16:30:54  02-26-91  7388 <--> 7399
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re:   FARO SHUFFLE

David,
        I've bought that Challenge Magic video by R. Osterlind
too and agree that it is very good. I didn't mind the low cost
packaging since it was priced lower than most shorter and
prettier packaged stuff by some others I've seen, though I
admittedly own few teaching videos much preferring reading and
the feel of a book.
        Been enjoying your contributions to MAGIC! make a belated
welcome to you and will see you at the MAGIC! breakfast.
                                tabman


Msg #7395  Dated 20:24:01  02-26-91  7369 <--> 7401
From: RICHARD HART
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

A librarian on duty at the Castle?  With all the misdirection going on
there, I would have thought a prison guard would be more apropos.
Imagine, strip searches before leaving... 

Msg #7396  Dated 20:37:58  02-26-91  7375 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   TORN AND RESTORED CARDS

When you get the book, I'd like to see a copy of the particular trick
in question.  By the way, I don't remember if I mentioned it to you on
the telephone, but it was Tim Wenk, whom I ran into at the New England
Magicians Conference this weekend, who finally tracked down the trick
to Karrell Fox.  The issue with your version of the trick is on the
way, incidentally.  And, yes, I spent twelve years in commercial radio
before I started doing magic full time.  Thanks for the kind words.

Msg #7397  Dated 21:31:29  02-26-91  -> 7412
From: JIM SISTI
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN
Re:   NEMCON REVIEW

I uploaded a brief review of the New England Magicians Conference held
on Saturday as NEMCON.ZIPZIPZIP
ZZZZZZZZIP

Msg #7399  Dated 21:47:48  02-26-91  7393 <--> 7424
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   FARO SHUFFLE

I was on a Jeep Driving excursion in the mountains a couple of years
ago in the Reno/Tahoe "gold country" area... on a trail literally
in-accessable except by foot, horse or jeep. Every few miles there were
people at various junctions to make sure you didn't get lost or hurt.
One crossroad had a few folks standing around, one of which was a young
lady. She had a deck of cards in hand. And was ripping off Faro
Shuffles like a true mechanic. I stopped to talk for a minute and asked
her where she learned the Faro shuffle. She answered, "the what?" I
explained. She said she didn't know anything about it... she just
picked the cards up one day and started weaving the cards to kill time
and didn't know anything about it... just could do it.

Msg #7400  Dated 21:51:00  02-26-91  7392 <--> 7425
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO

Upper or lower?

Msg #7401  Dated 21:51:20  02-26-91  7395 <--> 7403
From: PETE BIRO
To:   RICHARD HART (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

Search 'em on the way in. In case they are sneaking bad material BACK
IN!!!

Msg #7402  Dated 21:52:14  02-26-91
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ALL
Re:   ON THE ROAD AGAIN

Doing my  Willy Nelson bit and am On the Road Again. Will try to log on
if I can get to a phone. Will be in the Nevada desert, near Top Gun
territory (Nellis A.F. Base -- if anybody's still there??) Snappin pix
to try to  pay the rent, which is getting tougher...Might be in Vegas
Wed. nite will check the club meeting.... adios

Msg #7403  Dated 22:05:51  02-26-91  7401 <--> 7405
From: RICHARD HART
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

You crack me up, Pete.    Wonder how long the line's gonna be
next time Lady Pendragon makes a visit to the library?

Msg #7405  Dated 23:44:16  02-26-91  7369 <--> 7460
From: DANTE LARSEN
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

That would be nice but it would probably be cheaper to let them take
the books. Sent out the "Buzz" today.

Msg #7409  Dated  0:28:42  02-27-91  7390 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   MARVIN STERN (X)
Re:   CHECK

I'm sorry, Marvin.  Things have been frantic around here and yes, I
think I did receive the check.

Msg #7412  Dated  0:47:07  02-27-91  7397 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   JIM SISTI (X)
Re:   NEMCON REVIEW

Jim Sisti's review of the New England Magician's Conference is now
available in the files area.  It is named NEMCON.TXT (NEMCON being a
nice acronym for New England Magician's Conference, but a bit unusual
to type) and is also available in zipped form as NEMCON.ZIP

Thanks, Jim!

Msg #7413  Dated  0:59:57  02-27-91  7345 <-
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE?

Thanks Stan and Burt. I'll drop the check in the mail tomorrow, that is
if I can find one of the funny stamps to go with the left over 25 cent
ones I have.

Doug

Msg #7414  Dated  3:20:59  02-27-91  -> 7419
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To:   ALL
Re:   PRUNES...

For those of us on the left coast, just saw several television spots
featuring Academy of Magical Arts close-up award winner Brian Gillis.
He is promoting the California Prune Council...in one of the spots he
does a sponge ball routine with prunes. They are very low key spots and
I actually had to look twice to recognize Brian...maybe this will
become a "regular" job for him!
As always...
                                 THE GEEKMAN!

Msg #7417  Dated 10:03:38  02-27-91  -> 7420
From: WAYNE POWERS
To:   ALL
Re:   RAMBLINGS...

Those of you in proximity to the Magic Castle should make a bee-line to
see Johnny Thompson performing in the CLOSE-UP gallery.  Johnny is one
of the true living masters of magic...equally dazzling in any magical
medium...from close-up to parlour to stage...from coins and cards to
doves to illusions...from straight magic to hilarious comedy.  RUN
DON'T WALK to the close-up gallery this week (early schedule) to see
him.
ALSO:
.
Button seen on the lapel of Bryan Lee, (Stage Manager Extraordinaire at
the M.C. Palace of Mystery):
"LIFE'S TOO SHORT TO WATCH BAD MAGIC!"
.

Msg #7419  Dated 12:05:20  02-27-91  7414 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re:   PRUNES...

Have you seen the latest California Raisin commercials with Claymation
of Carl Ballantine as a theatrical agent. His face -- GREAT LIKENESS --
and, of course, HIS (unmistakable) voice. One of the greats! Hope he
makes enough on this one to buy his own horse!

Msg #7420  Dated 12:06:51  02-27-91  7417 <--> 7513
From: PETE BIRO
To:   WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re:   RAMBLINGS...

As I said at last year's Magic Seminar (introducing Johnny Thompson's
lecture) "Many regarded Fred Kaps as the best all around magical
performer of his day... and the one person that could inherit that
title would be John Thompson... if it wasn't for his personality!"
Probably the biggest laff was from John himself!

Msg #7421  Dated 12:08:23  02-27-91
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ALL
Re:   BYE

Off to the airport -- again? Later.

Msg #7422  Dated 12:11:59  02-27-91  7346 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To:   BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re:   BIG BROTHER

Sure, Burt.  The address is 10329 MacArthur Blvd., Suites 5 and 6,
Oakland, CA 94605-5147.  I'd appreciate it.  These guys are TOUGH.

On another subject that we've been discussing privately, see what I
have to say to David Vanvranken and you'll understand why I want to
track this stuff down.


Msg #7424  Dated 12:14:41  02-27-91  7388 <--> 7433
From: JEFF BUSBY
To:   DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re:   FARO SHUFFLE

Thanks for the blow-by-blow description of what Richard Turner is
doing.  Actually, when I commented on Charlie's gag, I wasn't talking
about exhibition stuff, but a practical use that actually accomplishes
something other than what a faro and a Push-Through would usually do.
 Richard's reasoning is not new.  You might enjoy reading over the
"Uniformity of Action" section in _The Expert at the Card Table_ (p.22)
for Erdnase's thoughts on exactly the same subject.  But then, the
section on "Display of Ability" is equally germane.

I appreciated your comments on Richard Osterlind's "Challenge Magic"
video, but at the same time, they upset me.  The Tabman may have
forgotten because he bought and viewed the tape many moons ago, but in
fact the video is not issued with the packaging being a "ragged
photocopy glued to a cardboard box".  The wrap-around is in fact
printed on card stock, and is also in a "plastic sleeve" album, just as
you wished it would be.  We didn't use color, because we wanted to keep
the cost to a decent price, but it is not a thrown together amateurish
production such as you described. The tape is labeled with printed
labels on both top and side. Also the copies are made from 1"
reel-to-reel masters to insure the best reproduction quality.   As far
as it being an "advance copy" from your dealer?  At this time we are
not wholesaling the tape.  It has been available through us for several
months, but direct.

So just what is your dealer selling?  I don't know, but he didn't get
it from us.  Perhaps you'd be kind enough to reply to me privately,
giving me more details on who this dealer is?  Richard is flying in
from the East Coast this afternoon for an industrial show I booked.
The number of "dealers" who supposedly are stocking this tape is just
one of our points of discussion.  We've already taken some action, but
there may be more to come. Thanks for your interest and I do want to
hear from you on this point.


Msg #7425  Dated 12:18:41  02-27-91  7378 <--> 7435
From: JEFF BUSBY
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO

Thanks for all the info on the Berg/Okito masterpiece that you're
auctioning off.  Sounds like the check and the way you've done it up
will be a conversation starter for any home.  Okito did some of his
finest work for Berg, and later Redmon.  Wouldn't it be great to have
that check framed above an Okito/Berg piece?  You must be crazy to part
with it, Okito lover that you are!


Msg #7428  Dated 12:59:09  02-27-91  -> 7459
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To:   ALL
Re:   MENTAL BOOKS????

 From : Jurrien Luiten
 To   : All

 Subj : mental magic

----------------------------------------------------------------
I am interest in mental magic and look for mental magic books.
Who can give me some titles of magic books specialized on mental
magic ?
Thank you and greetings from Jur, Den Haag, Holland.

Msg #7430  Dated 14:23:00  02-27-91  -> 7443
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN
Re:   BOOKPLATES?

Hi David,
        Finally got up with the pen and ink man and he's gonna do
me two bookplates. I've given him a coupla examples and a few
ideas but what he'll do will be mostly up to him. He's pretty
good in an old fashioned sorta way, though the BP may come out
looking like the logo for a bluegrass band, don't know but will
find out in a few weeks. His name is Dave Norris and is sort of
famous in a local Cheseapeake Bay sort of way. Could be good, but
I'll let U B the judge.
        What news do you have of Arnaud and the !-NL bbs? I
haven't tried to sign on lately. Has he got 1200 baud problems
solved yet?
        Thanks for your offer to take me to the Castle when I
come out for Bone Ponys week in Redondo Beach. I'll definately
take you up on it. Maybe we could lunch at Castle too on the
friday if you have the time. Mid may...week of the 14th.
        Still watching the mail for news from you or do you still
use pony xpress?
                           your friend,
                            the tabman


Msg #7431  Dated 15:58:38  02-27-91  -> 7432
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To:   ALL
Re:   OTHER BBS'S

Does anyone out there know of a BBS for Clown's? After showing my "MR
CLOWN" friend the value of such a network he's very interested.
      Any ideas?
        Dave

Msg #7432  Dated 16:16:04  02-27-91  7431 <--> 7440
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re:   OTHER BBS'S

No, but Wobbles the Clown is on here. By the way, Wobbles your tape
will be copied in the morning and finally off to you and off your S**
list.

Msg #7433  Dated 16:17:00  02-27-91  7424 <--> 7438
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re:   FARO SHUFFLE

        No I didn't forget how it was packaged and thought it was
fine. Mine does have an offset printed J card behind plastic and
the tape is packaged in a professional box. Perfect and at a good
price. I thought David V. might be being a little tough on the
packaging. I pulled mine out when I read of his xerox cover
complaint etc and just thought since I thought the packaging was
ok that maybe I didn't have any class. NOW I GET IT. It is a
pirated copy. Seems like I got a flyer from a dealer adv the tape
too. Not sure, but I'll go through the stuff and check for you.
        I had some guys pirate 200 of our cassettes on a
bluegrass band. The plant put a call into the bass player here on
our 800 number so I returned the call and found out his order
(using my masters) had been shipped to the "new" address COD. I
promptly had them ship me back the masters and then called them
and told them I'd do biz no more (and why). Then I called my
attorney who made the call the call to the group. Thats how I
ended up with some "free" artwork out of the deal instead of the
bucks, plus I'm leaving the area soon and didn't want to have any
loose ends from either direction.
        On another subject...I guess Gen. Schwarzkopf proved he
is worthy of being a magician of the highest order through his
use of misdirection in Operation Desert Sword. Good news.
        Keep up the good work.
                              tabman


Msg #7435  Dated 18:59:02  02-27-91  7400 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO

Geeez, I had this picture in my mind of him running up and down the
street in his boxer shorts not some old longjohns but that makes more
sense anyway. Most of the upper and part of the lower.

Msg #7438  Dated 22:58:09  02-27-91  7433 <--> 7463
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   FARO SHUFFLE

Stormin' Norman got you to tabbo...its Desert Storm... Not complaining,
just had nothing better to say. You wanna go in on a deal to open a
string of discount stores in Baghdad? I think we could call them
"TARGET STORES" -- Or (this is mine--- produce a movie with the
prisoners called "Dancing with Wolf Blitzer" arrrrgggghhhhhh

Msg #7440  Dated 23:03:24  02-27-91  7431 <--> 7444
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re:   OTHER BBS'S

Yes. There is a BBS for Circus, not sure if 100-percent clowns. i dn't
have the number but read it in a common compuer mag some time back. If
I can find it will log it on.

Msg #7443  Dated  1:38:41  02-28-91  7430 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   BOOKPLATES?

Looking forward to seeing the bookplates.  Always wanted to learn
bookbinding as a hobby, but I think I have enough hobbies as it is.

Arnaud checked in this evening, so perhaps on his next call he'll see
your letter and respond.  I have been really, really up to my neck in
alligators, so, sorry, package hasn't gone out yet.  After this next
week it should slow down a bit and by mid-May I should be back to
retirement.

Msg #7444  Dated  1:40:41  02-28-91  7431 <--> 7445
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re:   OTHER BBS'S

Haven't ever heard of a clown system.  Doesn't mean there isn't one
though.  We have a few clowns who are into magic here on MAGIC!, so
there may be the possibility of forming some sort of sub-group.
Haven't given it much thought, but I guess we could start a section for
clowns.

Msg #7445  Dated  1:42:07  02-28-91  7440 <--> 7450
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   OTHER BBS'S

A Circus BBS would be interesting!  Let us know if you find the number,
Pete.  A lot of those systems come and go though.  MAGIC! is coming up
on year one and ECANET (our "host") has been going for almost 8 years!

Msg #7450  Dated 10:10:15  02-28-91  7445 <--> 7453
From: PETE BIRO
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re:   OTHER BBS'S

The Circus BBS is on my dialing menu of the home computer not with me
here on el laaptop - -

Msg #7451  Dated 11:30:27  02-28-91  -> 7491
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   ON THE ROAD

        Sorry to wake you but Desert Sword is my code name for
Desert Storm and thought I'd see if you'd catch it.
        It has been a great winter on MAGIC!. I guess you
California dreamers don't get much taste of the cold, but I could
live without it myself. Where are you on the road? Did you make
it to Darwin's Wednesday night meeting in Vegas?
        So you had the Roth book the entire time? That's pretty
funny. I've done that a coupla times. What does it mean? I
forget.


Msg #7453  Dated 12:44:43  02-28-91  7450 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   OTHER BBS'S

Will look forward to Circus BBS number when you return home.

Msg #7455  Dated 13:19:58  02-28-91  -> 7478
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   DAVID LICHTMAN
Re:   HELLO

Almost gave you a call, but remembered you wern't retired rightnow and
were probably out. I'll catch you when you retire again. Later...

Msg #7459  Dated 17:14:56  02-28-91  7428 <--> 7461
From: RANDY LUND
To:   ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re:   MENTAL BOOKS????

The Encyclopedic Dictionary of Mentalism compiled by Burling "Volta"
Hull and published by Hades Publications of PO Box 476, Calgary,
Alberta T2P 2J1 as a three volume notebook set is about the most
complete thing I have seen to date.   I got mine at Abbotts, address on
file with MAGIC!.....Randy

Msg #7460  Dated 17:18:12  02-28-91  7360 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To:   DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re:   VERNONS ADVICE

Wasn't it Robert-Houdin that booby trapped his desk with a spring
loaded spike that impaled the hand of a theif? The library could become
a dangerous place.......

Msg #7461  Dated 17:26:06  02-28-91  7459 <--> 7493
From: MAX MAVEN
To:   RANDY LUND (X)
Re:   MENTAL BOOKS????

The Hull books are a hodge-podge collection, primarily previously
published instruction sheets. Some interesting material, but hardly
"complete."
   Corinda's "Thirteen Steps" is still probably the best single
reference work on mentalism. It has a solid structure, a wide range of
material, and most of it holds up well. Annemann's "Practical Mental
Effects" contains some excellent material, too, although a lot of it is
now somewhat dated.

Msg #7463  Dated 19:24:11  02-28-91  7433 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   FARO SHUFFLE

Well, tabster, you do have the real thing.  It's such a shame that this
kind of stuff goes on.  You'd think they would pay the small price to
sleep a bit better at night, but they don't.  My attitude is this:  If
I read it, I pay for it.  A few times back in the 1970s, guys mailed
unsolicited photocopies of manuscripts to me.  If I read them -- even
if I hated the book -- I sent out a check to the publisher.  Oh, how I
hated sending Korem $50.00 for his Upside-Down Topit when a photocopy
came in an unmarked envelope.  But, that's the way it goes.  But the
easy duplication of videos sure does make you think twice about even
bothering with another. If you can help me with that dealer's flyer,
I'd sure appreciate it.  The only ones who have legit copies now,  that
bought them from me are Al's Magic Shop in D.C. and Hank Lee.

Osterlind says, "Hi" and thanks you for getting the real McCoy.  Great
guy, a very strong performer who is killing them at this business show
today and tomorrow.  Look for more of his stuff soon.



Msg #7467  Dated 21:34:50  02-28-91  6733 <--> 7494
From: SCOTT CRAM
To:   PETE BIRO (X)
Re:   MAGIC/WAR

This reply may be too late, but here are the upcoming meetings
happening AFTER Feb 28:

SAM Assembly #112
Willow Creek Center
1026 Mohr Lane, Concord , CA
Meeting: March 13Wednesday, March 13 -
7:15 to 10:00

Oakland Magic Circle
Bjornson Hall
2258 MacArthur Blvd, Oakland, CA
Meeting: Tuesday, March 12 -
8:00 - ?
This meeting features a lecture by Warren Stephens

All times are PM (Whoops!). I'm sorry for replying late (Too late?),
but i've gotten a second job, and just got my first chance in several
weeks to go on-line. The SAM meeting is a closed meeting, the theme
being "Show and Tell", but i'm sure they'd let you in. The O.M.C.
lecture (technically, it's not a meeting) is $6.50 to attend if you are
not a member of the O.M.C. Again, sorry about the lateness of the info.

Msg #7468  Dated 21:45:41  02-28-91  7002 <--> 7482
From: SCOTT CRAM
To:   BEN POLONOWSKI
Re:   NEW

Hi Ben! My name is Scott Cram, and I live in Walnut Creek, CA. You sure
picked the right hobby! How many sixth graders have a direct line to
magicians all over the U.S.? Not many I'll bet! Hope you enjoy MAGIC!,
and just think, you have a direct line to professional performers like
Max Maven, Pete Biro, etc. etc., plus much help from your fellow
amatuers (like me!). By the way, keep your eyes peeled for David
Copperfield's next special on April 9th on CBS! It's supposed to be
great this year!

Msg #7470  Dated 22:01:50  02-28-91  -> 7495
From: SCOTT CRAM
To:   ALL
Re:   WALNUT CREEK

Watch out Los Angeles! Walnut Creek (Where?) California seems to be
gaining as a center of magic! Besides my living there (one of the
world's most amateur magicians, ha ha), Pete Biro apparently moved up
here. And on a Disney magic special some time ago, featuring Markie
Post of NIGHT COURT, stated she came from here. So, how soon can we
expect to see the Magic Castle moved up here?

Little joke. Apparently, Pete Biro has moved to Walnut Creek. Welcome
Pete, uh, Mr. Biro.

Msg #7472  Dated 22:26:57  02-28-91  7347 <-
From: SCOTT CRAM
To:   DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re:   COPPERFIELD'S SPECIAL

April 9th, 1991. On CBS, as usual.

Msg #7474  Dated 22:36:38  02-28-91
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To:   DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re:   JUST ASKING

Darrell,
Are you out there?  Any known changes for the Ring 21 meeting or am I
correct that it will be on the 7th of March?  I just wanted to make
plans to be there and was wondering.

Thanks Doug

Msg #7475  Dated 23:34:37  02-28-91
From: T A WATERS
To:   DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re:   SJ GENII

I picked up the copy of Genii you left for me, Dante; thanks.  It looks
excellent, and I think this issue is going to very quickly become a
collector's item.  I think Max Maven did a great job of putting the
material together, and the magazine as a whole is looking good.

Msg #7478  Dated  2:21:16  03-01-91  7455 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   HELLO

Believe me, I'm looking forward to at least a short bit (but NOT too
long) of retirement.  Have had 5.5 hours sleep since Monday.  Need to
make it through another week at about this pace.

Meanwhile, the grand, the glorious news out here is that it is RAINING!
Lots and lots of rain!  Won't be enough to solve all of our problems,
but it is a spectacular joke on the water resources people.  Seems
everytime they announce a new cutback/quota it rains.  Personally, I
think we should get 'em all in a television studio and make 'em do a
raindance.

Thanks for thinking of me, Tabman.

Msg #7479  Dated  2:30:11  03-01-91  -> 7490
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To:   ALL
Re:   WABBITS

Okay, fellahs, I need some advice.  Wifey-Poo wants to get a "cute
little miniature lop eared rabbit" for our anniversary (no, there's no
deep symbolism here, so get ya minds outta da gutter...you too, Biro!).

I've ABOUT decided it's okay, but only if I can use it in my act.
For those of you new here, I'm Wobbles the Magical Clown (no symbolism
there, either, chaps).  I've never done ANYTHING with wildlife before
except date the Kopinski twins in high school.  Any ideas, suggestions,
etc would be extremely gratefully accepted!
What's the best way to use said beast in a clown act? Is a dove pan a
good buy? I don't have tons of bucks to spend (who does? Besides Tabby,
I mean  (g)).  How about an animal hypnosis act?   Do bunnies smell
bad, chew furniture, pee all over everything? (Like my first wife?)
HHHHHHH   EEEEEEE    LLLLLLL    PPPPPPPP     !!!!!!!
Thanks, magical dudes
Wobbles
                      the
Magical
                Clown
DAVE MAGNENAT

Msg #7481  Dated  2:37:17  03-01-91
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To:   ALL
Re:   COPYCATS...

Dunno...maybe I have too much time on my hands lately or
something, but watching TV tonight I saw a spot for Canon
Copiers with Harry Anderson. It should be playing nationally. In
it Harry, in his usuall dress, shows all the finer points of the
copier and in the end makes a copier disappear under a cloth (at
least by the form we think it is a copier). Pretty good spot.
Wonder if the effects were done by Franz Harrary who did the
magic for the spots that Harry did for Krogers Supermarkets a
couple of years ago.
                      THE GEEKMAN!

Msg #7482  Dated  2:39:22  03-01-91  7468 <--> 7505
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To:   SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re:   NEW

Thanks for the date for the Copperfield special.  Rumor has it that
MAGIC! members should keep their eyes peeled for a variant on the "Card
on Airplane Window" that was discussed here on MAGIC! around
November/December.

Msg #7485  Dated  3:09:06  03-01-91  -> 7524
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To:   ALL
Re:   GENERAL

Dave Van......
Hiya! I'm Wobbles The Magical Clown.  I don't know of any purely clown
boards (or even any subsections) but if your friend wants to get online
I'm sure we can come up with something, as our great and fearless
leader suggested.
*******
Tabby:  That's good news. Thanks again very much. You were never on any
BAD list, by the way.  I know that, er...defecation occurs, eh?  I'm
looking forward to receiving them.
*************
Mr. Lichtman, SIR!
A whole YEAR already? Holy Moley!  I'm impressed!  Say, whatever
happened to the button contest thing? I've been absent for a bit so
I've no doubt missed the glorious conclusion.
Also, has anyopne thought about collecting all the nifty trickls and
tips that have come about here on MAGIC! and compiling them into a sort
of brochure type thing? MY IDEA FIRST!!     Might be interesting...the
unabridged thoughts of Pete Biro half asleep from the IBM convention,
Fred Kaps letters, Max's meticulous metaphors, along with the
occasional flash of wisdom from the assemblage. Just a thought, and
since I don't have them  very often I thought I'd share this one with
you all.
Dave "Wobbles" magnenat

Msg #7486  Dated  3:50:02  03-01-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   NL STILL ALIVE...

Tabman,
.
MAGIC!-NL is slowly growing, and also 1200bps is working fine again
so you are invited to give it a try.
Tommy Wonder recently joined the BBS, and you can expect (I hope)
some of his contributions soon.
.
Bye Arnaud.....

Msg #7487  Dated  3:50:54  03-01-91  -> 7497
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To:   ALL
Re:   VEGAS SEMINAR CANCELLED??

Can someone tell me what's true about the rumor this year's Vegas
seminar has been cancelled.
I heard this yesterday here in Holland.
.
Arnaud

Msg #7488  Dated  5:51:40  03-01-91  -> 7489
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   VISIT

  Got 'em Tabby.  Will see you on Sunday.  Oh, it turns out my flight
gets in about 2:00, so I'll be about 2 hours early.  Of course, it'll
probably take me that long to get out of the airport!
                                       Charlie

Msg #7489  Dated  6:42:07  03-01-91  7488 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   CHARLIE RANDALL
Re:   VISIT

Great, see you Sunday afternoon. Have a good one. Better wear some
jeans when you visit Springhill.

Msg #7490  Dated  6:43:40  03-01-91  7479 <--> 7532
From: TABBY CRABB
To:   DAVE MAGNENAT
Re:   WABBITS

Wobbles,
        My son Rob had a Giant Polish Lop named Mr. Pellets. He
did an act with Mr. Pellets when he was in Jr. High School. We
got Pellets when he was quite young and conditioned him to stay
quietly behing the gimmik of a dagger type box which was built
large enough to handle a 20 lb rabit. He used the box to produce
Pellets as his finale with a silk hankie tied around his neck
which had been vanished earlier in the show.
        Get the rabbit young and handle him/her (better get a
him) everyday. Be sure if you keep him/her in a production box
that there are plenty of airholes and don't give too much water
just before a show. Pellets would hop from the box, sit up on his
haunches and paw the air. Quite cute.
        Walter Blaney used to have a giant white rabbit he used
(though I can't remember the rabits name) to get himself lots of
publicity down in Texas. Met a magician in Mississippi who had a
cat who would paw a card from a deck and keep it under his foot.
Pretty neat BTW, my video guy said the tape should be ready today
so should be sending it out soon.
                                        tabman


Msg #7491  Dated  9:13:05  03-01-91  7451 <--> 7520
From: PETE BIRO
To:   TABBY CRABB (X)
Re:   ON THE ROAD

Am in L.V. and it is raining -- so am holed up with the manager from
Akron (Goodyear) that I work with/for, etc. teaching him some computer
stuff. I have as you all know a Killer laptop NEC Ultralite that I
bought on sale for a little over $2,000 figuring the list of $3000 made
it a GOOD deal. Wrong. DAK CATALOG CAME TODAY WITH NEC ULTRALITES AT A
BARGAIN $699 (OK they have come out with newer model but this version
works great.)

Msg #7493  Dated  9:16:28  03-01-91  7461 <--> 7540
From: PETE BIRO
To:   MAX MAVEN (X)
Re:   MENTAL BOOKS????

Al Koran's works are great starting points as well.

Msg #7494  Dated  9:18:12  03-01-91  7467 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To:   SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re:   MAGIC/WAR

Thanks much. I am a life member of OMC and not sure if I am in town for
the SAM meeting. Will be getting back active soon.

Msg #7495  Dated  9:19:39  03-01-91  7470 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To:   SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re:   WALNUT CREEK

Knock off the formal stuff. It is Your Majesty, not Mr.

Msg #7497  Dated  9:23:13  03-01-91  7487 <--> 7525
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re:   VEGAS SEMINAR CANCELLED??

NO NO NO NOTHING IS CANCELLED.... COME TO VEGAS.... MAGIC! ANNIVERSARY
AND KILLER CONTEST ACTS.... ALL SET TO GO 100-PERCENT... BE HERE

Msg #7498  Dated  9:24:04  03-01-91
From: PETE BIRO
To:   ALL
Re:   SEMINAR

Don't know where the cancelled rumor got started, but 'taint so.

Msg #7499  Dated  9:39:44  03-01-91  -> 7515
From: JIM HOY
To:   ALL
Re:   VEST SERVANTE?

I just got a new gimic and it works so well, I just had to tell someone
about it! The gimic is called a "Vest Servante," I think. Old
ever-lovin' threw out the box so I am not sure. It's made by Norm
Nielson. It is made to wear behind a cummerbund and you can ditch small
objects into it. Used it doing table hopping last night 10 ir 15 times
and it is great! Mostly I ditched coins into it, but 4 or 5 times I
dropped a minature deck into it. (I'll come back to that later). It is
not a toppit by any means, but oh, is it sweet and easy to use.
Here are its advantages, from my point of view:
     1. It is very easy to use.
     2. It is practically indetectable.
     3. You don't have to rip up your coat and can transfer it easily.
Here are the disadvantages, from my point of view:
     You must be wearing a cummerbund.
     You cannot retrieve from it.
     You can only ditch small objects.
But the action of using it is so natural and easy. You don't run the
risk of telegraphing your move, as I have seen some of the most
experienced toppit users do.
     Here's a kicker for those of you who do the invisible deck with a
minature deck of cards: You have finished the trick as far as your
audience is concerned. You put the deck back into the box and make a
fake transfer of it from one hand to the other. Say to a younger or an
older (I usually use an older person), "Here, take this home to the
kids." She'll reply, something like, "I don't have any kids." You say
with a smile, "That's O.K. You don't have any cards either." Drop the
deck into your servante as you open the other hand.
Thanks for listening! (reading?)

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