MAGIC! - 15 The following was compiled from the magician's message section of MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! was an electronic communications system for magicians. Access was free, except for normal telephone company charges. New registrants were required to leave a comment with their name, address, phone number and a brief resume of their magic background to be considered for membership. The material herein should be treated as confidentially as other magic information. Copyright 1991, 1997 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved. Msg #7000 Dated 0:40:25 02-15-91 -> 7001 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: ALL Re: VEGAS UPDATE Melinda, The First Lady of Magic just opened tonight at the Sahara, replacing the longest running show on the strip! Good work! She's come a long way since I first saw her at Bourbon Street in the Cabaret show a short 3 years ago. When coming to Las Vegas, look for the opening of Mr. Clown's "MAGIC TOUCH", a combination of magic, clowning, and collectibles of all kinds. It should be an interesting experience. So drop in and see his collection of Magic and Circus posters and other wonders. I will be publishing a newsletter for him in the near future and will be more than happy to send one to any Magic! member who is interested. Just post you address (privately if desired) to me RE:MAGIC TOUCH. Well, another one is hooked! Even my 7 year old son Benjamin is playing Magic Mah Jongg. He spotted Max Maven on sight! Good work, Jim! PS: My wifes lawyer will be in touch soon. Hope to see you all at Desert Magic in March, David Msg #7001 Dated 1:47:04 02-15-91 7000 <--> 7005 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: ALL Re: VEGAS UPDATE Correction to MSG 7000: It will be called "This Magic Moment" not magic touch. send replies to "Magic Moment". Sorry! Dave Msg #7002 Dated 4:50:37 02-15-91 -> 7010 From: BEN POLONOWSKI To: ALL Re: NEW I I AM BEN POLONOWSKI I LIVE IN ROCKFORD MICHIGAN I AM IN SIXTH GRADE I REALLY ENJOY MAGIC ! sg #7003 Dated 7:37:21 02-15-91 -> 7006 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES I have seen a number of "pans" in the Genii review columns. Granted that oftimes the reviews are somewhat flowery, however if you know the reviewer and can "read between the lines" you can get the information you desire. Whenever McComb sez he read the book through and couldn't put it down I know he liked it. Bill Larsen has always been of the view (like my own dad) that if you didn't have anything good to say about someone then its better not to say anything at all. I haven't always followed this rule, but sometimes sure wish I had. With Dante at the helm I would imagine we'll see a more streetwise approach to Genii journalism as time goes by. Msg #7004 Dated 8:04:52 02-15-91 -> 7026 From: MICHAEL OVERLY To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: THE NEW "MAGIC MENU" Hello, I am not familiar with your publication. Can you give me a little more information on what audience it serves. I do mostly close-up. Msg #7005 Dated 8:22:57 02-15-91 7000 <--> 7009 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: VEGAS UPDATE Thanks for the report on doings in Vegas. Please put me on that MAGIC! list for the new newsletter - P. O. Box 900, Arleta, Ca. 91334. Desert Magic should be a knockout this year - MAGIC!'s special session is scheduled for 9 a.m. on Friday. It will be MAGIC!'s Official First Anniversary Celebration. (For those who haven't registered for Desert Magic - contact Joe Stevens (316-683-9582) immediately - I don't know, but there may be a very few places left). Msg #7006 Dated 9:04:49 02-15-91 -> 7015 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES You should all get your hands of "The Best of Crandall" if you want to see some reviews that had substance. No question a reviewer's track record, likes, dislikes, etc. must be taken into account. Msg #7007 Dated 9:07:00 02-15-91 -> 7018 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? Too bad you can't send messages to someone NOT online... give that task to your techies.... hehehheheh.... actually Compuserve has a Post Office link now.... Msg #7009 Dated 9:10:10 02-15-91 7000 <--> 7011 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: VEGAS UPDATE Today is the deadline for entries in the Magic Seminar "People's Choice" competition... and yesterday... some Killer Acts' tapes arrived in Wichita... we had already picked 8, with 4 to go... Richard Diamond, who had been accepted, had to withdraw. Two European acts have JUST sent tapes and Joe says "look out"... I will see them in a day or twod, two, and cast my vote. We will know the final list by Thursday next. Msg #7010 Dated 9:12:48 02-15-91 7002 <--> 7468 From: PETE BIRO To: BEN POLONOWSKI Re: NEW Nice to hear from you Ben. Did you write the message by yourself? If so, keep up the good work. I couldn't type until I was about 15! Msg #7011 Dated 10:27:30 02-15-91 7000 <--> 7020 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: VEGAS UPDATE I would appreciate receiving a copy of The Magic Moment. Please send to me at 1026 N. Highland Ave., Hollywood, Ca. 90038. Thanks much. Msg #7012 Dated 11:25:10 02-15-91 -> 7021 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: GAME Do you know how to stop an Iraqi bingo game? Stand up and yell B-52. Really hate to sign my name to this. On my way to the castle for lunch and then down to Newport for the week-end. Have a good one too. And to all the members of MAGIC. Msg #7014 Dated 14:05:49 02-15-91 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: LUNCH - The Castle lunch menu mentioned that you were going to be there, but by the time 12:45 we went downstairs to the close-up room, you hadn't arrived. Trust you had fun. Msg #7015 Dated 14:38:06 02-15-91 7003 <--> 7017 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES I agree. In fact, personally, I agree with both Bill Larsen and your dad. That, however, is on a PERSONAL level. When paying readers are expecting and, in fact, depending on your publication for information and HONEST reviews, these other requirements must take precedence. The personal trait you attribute to Bill Larsen is, in my opinion, one of the major reasons for the Castle's success. Bill is a good businessman and a genuinely nice guy...(we need more like him)...but I think that he can turn some of the reviewers loose without being personally responsible for the content of every review. In fact, I'm sure that this is precisely what is gradually taking place and that GENII will continue to grow and prosper because of it. Msg #7016 Dated 14:51:11 02-15-91 From: WAYNE POWERS To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: CONGRATS I meant to type this to you yesterday, but the sad news about Al Goshman got me sidetracked. Anyway... I did enjoy your ad in yesterday's trades. Hope it achieves what you want it to. Msg #7017 Dated 16:01:25 02-15-91 7015 <--> 7028 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES Personally, I crave honest book reviews as I use them for adding to our library. Here on MAGIC! I've gotten some good advice generally from contributors about books to add as the Burger books, Roth Coin Book, etc. I've depended on the three volumes of the FLEMMING BOOK REVIEWS to preview older books and wish someone would again undertake something like the Flemmings did decades ago and like I said, McComb's reviews in Genii. Also like Max Maven's policy for his product reviews in Genii as well as Jeff Busby's writings in Thaumaturgist, etc. Like you said, when the reviewer becomes a known comodity then you have some idea of where he/she is coming from and can hopefully make an intelligent choice. Msg #7018 Dated 19:55:36 02-15-91 7007 <--> 7032 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? Actually, at one time, before CompuServe started doing it, we gave a few moments thought to an interlink. We were able to access Dialog (which did not have its public service at the time), the electronic post office system, telex, etc. But we dropped the plan and the others got into it. So far I'm glad we didn't. The thing with Martin and Ammar is that they are supposedly poised and ready - both with "time on their hands," rather literally - and I think they each need a known friend to make the final push. Msg #7020 Dated 20:01:05 02-15-91 7009 <--> 7024 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VEGAS UPDATE Speaking of which, Pete, do you have the final schedule for Desert Magic for Thursday? I've been asked to do a speach for a significant group and might have to arrive late. Could you post Thursday's sched. online? Msg #7021 Dated 20:02:39 02-15-91 7012 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: GAME I was supposed to be at the Castle for lunch today. Think my name was even on the menu. But the 10:30 to 11:30 meeting ended at 2:30. Oh, well. Msg #7023 Dated 20:11:39 02-15-91 From: BURT CARPENTER To: JEFF BUSBY (X) Re: ALBERT GOSHMAN DIES This is truly sad news. I can't go into a restaurant and see a salt shaker without thinking of him. I know thousands of amatuers cut their magic "teeth" on a set of Goshman sponge balls. We are all indebted to Al. Msg #7024 Dated 20:15:59 02-15-91 7001 <--> 7103 From: BURT CARPENTER To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: VEGAS UPDATE I'd love to get a copy of your newsletter. You know the address. Msg #7025 Dated 20:17:00 02-15-91 -> 7027 From: BURT CARPENTER To: ALL Re: LIGHTER SIDE With the passing of so many magicians of late all I can say is that there must be one heck of a magic convention going on in heaven. May God bless the families that are left behind. Msg #7026 Dated 20:18:07 02-15-91 7004 <--> 7034 From: JIM SISTI To: MICHAEL OVERLY (X) Re: THE NEW "MAGIC MENU" "The Magic Menu" is aimed primarily at magicians who work professionally in restaurants and bars, though most any close-up worker would be interested in our "Tricks Of The Trade" section, featuring original magic from talent all over the country. Our July/August issue will be a "Ray Mertz/Forks Hotel" issue. We also feature reviews of the latest books and effects for the restaurant/bar specialties, plus lots of good performance philosophy articles on the presentation of close-up magic to a lay audience. Hope this all helps. Msg #7027 Dated 20:47:37 02-15-91 7025 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: LIGHTER SIDE Amen. Msg #7028 Dated 21:05:13 02-15-91 7017 <--> 7093 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES Absolutely, Tabman. The problem is most acute in the case of younger and/or less experienced magi. They tend to take the printed word in reviews at face value. First, they learn that one cannot believe most dealers' catalogue descriptions of their products, so they turn to reviews in the magic press. They should not be conned a second time by "everything's rosie" and/or "I got mine for free, so I'll say good things" reviews. Msg #7029 Dated 21:06:05 02-15-91 -> 7035 From: ANTHONY BLAKE To: ALL Re: RICK RASMUSSEN... To all of us that hang out at the Castle, word has come to me that Rick Rasmussen is in very bad shape. The news that Rick has been ill is not new to us, but the information that he may be on his last legs is. From what I understand, Rick was diagnosed recently with lung cancer, and up to recently was hospitalized. He is now home and under morphine for the pain. For those of us that know Rick I will post very soon an address where we can send cards and letters...he would very much like to recieve them. Tho not of international stature as Goshman and Slydini, our (my) hopes and wishes go with Rick and his family. He will be missed when he passes on. Msg #7030 Dated 21:21:52 02-15-91 -> 7036 From: PATRICE MOORE To: ALL Re: GET A LIFE Well, here I am. It's Friday night about 9:30 and I'm sitting at the computer. . . I guess I need to (see subject line). Msg #7032 Dated 22:33:21 02-15-91 -> 7037 From: PATRICE MOORE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? Pete, Mike has been warned that having a modem creates a potential for computer viruses. But I've been printing out your Kaps letters and passing them along. Harry seems to busy to breath. Msg #7033 Dated 22:39:45 02-15-91 -> 7039 From: PATRICE MOORE To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: OH, NOOOOO!!! Evan, I'm sure someone online can give you the story. But Stan (Inside Magic) had about 3 or 4 cover stories devoted to the mystery. This was a few years back (maybe 3 or 4, again). The fellow wore a hood, starred in a video aimed at the general public, and exposed some magic. I'm probably wrong, but I think the exposures included a closeup trick, the tiger and the lady, the zigzag, a sawing. He also did a couple of the tricks and didn't expose them. The Magic Man doesn't ring a bell. . . Msg #7034 Dated 22:54:50 02-15-91 From: PATRICE MOORE To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: THE NEW "MAGIC MENU" Jim, I have to apologize. I printed out your message (Jan. 27) and took it in to Stan to have a look. He is very interested in your publication and would indeed like more info (a sample copy if possible). I carried the printout home to remind myself to get back to you and then lost it until today. (Duh...). I'm going to TRY and get the March issue together (done) by this Friday (2/22). If you could get something to us before then (only asking the impossible!) that would be great. The address is Inside Magic, 4067 Hardwick Street, Suite 322, Lakewood CA 90712. FAX is 213/408-2588. THANK YOU and, again, sorry about that! Msg #7035 Dated 23:26:29 02-15-91 7029 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X) Re: RICK RASMUSSEN... Very sorry to hear about Rick Rasmussen. Please do post his address when it becomes available. Magic seems to be going through some tough times. Sure hope things turn around soon. Msg #7036 Dated 23:28:19 02-15-91 7030 <--> 7053 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: GET A LIFE Just think of MAGIC! as a sort of semi-sequential cocktail party, Patrice! Msg #7037 Dated 23:30:02 02-15-91 7032 <--> 7049 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? Please tell Mike (Caveney) that a modem only creates a potential for computer viruses if he uses it. Seriously, it is NOT like leaving the screen door open and letting the flys come in. Reading and downloading MAGIC! messages CANNOT serve as a conduit for virus. Nor can downloading and reading text files. It is possible to "catch" a virus from programs. BUT it is NOT very likely. We do take precautions around here (I personally always wear rubber gloves when handling MAGIC! diskettes) and the possibility of a virus being carried on a MAGIC! program is pretty low. Naturally, for legal reasons, I would not say it is impossible, but I would suspect that the risk is not very much higher than transmission through commercial software purchased in stores. Of course, if he uses his modem to engage in electronic intercourse (it is an OK word in this context, if you don't believe me, check Webster's) with unknown systems, then it is wise to take additional precautions (like putting rubber gloves on his disk drives). Webster's may be a registered trademark of the G. & C. Merriam Company. Msg #7039 Dated 23:44:30 02-15-91 7033 <--> 7055 From: EVAN KATZ To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: OH, NOOOOO!!! Re the Mystery Magician exposing "Zigzag." I wonder if "Zigzag" is still under copywrite by its inventor. I forget, but someone famous invented, Zigzag, right? Sounds like someone should've sued his butt. Msg #7040 Dated 23:49:33 02-15-91 From: EVAN KATZ To: ALL Re: MYSTERY MAGICIAN I know this is old news, but I've been out of it a while. Can anyone give me the precis version of the Mystery Magician. All I know now is that he exposed some magic, wore a hood, and then went away. Did anyone sue him? Did he expose any copywrited effects? Msg #7045 Dated 8:21:04 02-16-91 From: PATRICE MOORE To: ALL Re: INSIDE MAGIC Today, Saturday, I'll be at the Inside Magic world headquarters. So if anyone needs anything relevant to IM, today would be the day to give me a call. (213) 531-0953. I could use those addresses for the folks in the Gulf! Msg #7047 Dated 9:04:35 02-16-91 -> 7057 From: RICK RUHL To: ALL Re: STUFF Boy have I been busy, let me catch up. Tabman: Still havent heard from Dan, but we still have a year so... I think I'm gonna go over to dad's tommrow and start work on another illusion. Ya know, I'm think I'm going to try to find some investors to start 'The Magic Channel. I think with clips over the years, it could be like the comedy channel or even better..It could only be a 12 hour a day operation (6 PM-6AM). The uplinkw would be cheap and the only major cost I feel would be salary's and transponder time. Heck, we could kick it off in Jan '91 and Music City Magic. Pete B:. Tommorow night is the 'Best of Ed Sullivan'. I don't think Fred will be on it, but I'm still hoping. I will tape it for you (right off the CBS feed, if clear, if not, I'll get it off of F2 or F1). I was thinking, you might have just taken the reciever and IRD with ya, then all youd need to get is the dish, feedhorn, LNB and cable and wham, you back on the dish. I think If I ever move, I'll take the whole thing with me (BTW, I did put my system in myself, hardest part was digging a 3 ft X 3 ft hole.) Aligning it was a breeze. If you decide to go that rought, give me a call and I'll give ya the tips I used. Back to magic, I think if I would be ableo get a style that was one of past magicians, most of the new audiences would think it's a NEW style. Or I just could be myself..
. David L: I want a userlog function for the bbs! (Smile) This would show all users and times they were on last. This way, if I misspell a name, I could just look it up in the userlog. Others: I too was sad to hear the passing of Goshiman. I have a set of multiplying rabbits by him (as everyone else in the known universe does) and have always liked his routiens, he will be missed. You know, I've been so busy, I'm gonna try to slow down again and post at least once a week or so. Should let work get in the way of fun,huh? Mov ax,4c01h Int 21h (anyone who writes in asm will get the joke of those instructions). Rikker Msg #7049 Dated 10:53:24 02-16-91 7032 <--> 7050 From: PETE BIRO To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I don't think the Modem per se is the problem. Viruses can come with floppy disks, etc. BUT THE MAIN THING IS THE SOURCE. If you buy legit reliable stuff no problem. And I don't think you will find computer bad guys in MAGIC! Msg #7050 Dated 10:55:09 02-16-91 7037 <--> 7051 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? My dentist wears rubber gloves. Msg #7051 Dated 10:56:03 02-16-91 7050 <--> 7058 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? Maybe your dentist doesn't trust you? Msg #7053 Dated 10:57:49 02-16-91 7036 <--> 7907 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: GET A LIFE Yah, and you can drive home sober. Msg #7055 Dated 10:58:31 02-16-91 7039 <--> 7070 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: OH, NOOOOO!!! Speaking of the Zig Zag (R. Harbin) do you know there is NO gaff, as such. It just works! Harbin used to go to a show (cabaret conditions -- dance floor, surrounded) and actually carry the Zig Zag in, in two canvas bags. He would assemble the prop in front of the audience talking about it and go right into the effect. His first model, I believe, was made of a couple of large cardboard boxes, and his friend, Eric C. Lewis, helped him put it all together in the formers garage! Msg #7057 Dated 11:02:32 02-16-91 7047 <--> 7069 From: PETE BIRO To: RICK RUHL (X) Re: STUFF Someone else dug the hole but the dummy put the vertical column(?) was OFF a couple of milleters and a friend came in and we did some serious re-aligning (digging a bigger hole and putting a bigger cement pad in) and for me the hardest part was going under the house into the crawl space and putting the cable up the WRONG HOLE and having to go back and do it again. Right now I love the Cable here in WC -- been watching CSPAN inside at TIME magazine watching the computer generation of layouts pix, etc. Msg #7058 Dated 11:05:04 02-16-91 7051 <--> 7059 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? That was quick. Msg #7059 Dated 11:05:18 02-16-91 7058 <--> 7068 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? Yep! It sure was! I was on another line and saw your message. Msg #7062 Dated 11:41:37 02-16-91 -> 7079 From: STEVE KUCERA To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: THANKS FOR THE TIP Hi David thanks for the tip on Howie-3. I have been drooling over that bottle effect for many moons. But then Ialways think of another way to spend my $400.00. I am creating a similar effect but in mine your release the bottle, not the glass. It floats about a foot above the glass. I am thinking of adding rotations to it if it doesnt junk up the effect. The missing message referred to several days ago was from you to Tabby Crabb. You were thanking him for mentioning pulls. Msg #7063 Dated 11:44:58 02-16-91 -> 7067 From: STEVE KUCERA To: ALL Re: MY CONTRIBUTION Floating Coin to Wine Bottle. Effect: A coin floats under cover of a silk ala Asrah. At the climax the silk is removed and the coin has changed into a full bottle of wine. I have always wanted to put together a close up act using the wine theme. I had this idea during a brainstorming session one day. It has some severe limitations but it works if the conditions are right. I have only performed it twice, once to a layman and once to a very experienced professional. It is still in the embryo stage of development so I will leave it to y'all to change it to your liking. I will start by describing the basic moves necessary. It is a tough one to describe so bear with me. First the bottle steal. Hold your left hand out, palm up. Take a full bottle of wine (corked) and hold it by the neck in the crotch between your second and third fingers. Only allow about a quarter of an inch of the bottle to protrude above your hand. The bottle is now being held in your palm up left hand and dangling below your hand. Now step up to a table, lean on the table top with your hands near the edge. On both hands, your thumb is on top of the table and your four fingers are under the table. The bottle is hidden from sight, dangling from your left hand under the table. You should be leaning against the table, gripping the table with both hands as you lean slightly forward. This should be a very natural looking position. Start the piece from a sitting position. The wine bottle is held between your legs or resting on the floor ( If you can snatch it later without looking suspicious.). Lay a quarter on the table. Cover the quarter with a good sized, non transparent silk. The silk should lay flat and the end towards you should come to the edge of the table. Snatch the wine bottle into the crotch of your left hand. Stand up, pushing your chair back. Your left hand ( with wine bottle) comes up to the table top (thumb on top) followed by your right hand and you end up leaning on the table as describe earlier. Have an audience member wave a magic hand over the covered quarter to try to make it float. After the quarter fails to float , grab the silk with the thumb of your left hand and draw the silk back, exposing the quarter and leaving you back from the table with the wine bottle (Gripped in finger crotch) now covered by the silk. The silk should cover the fingers of your left hand but leave the palm exposed. People will not suspect you of carrying anything in that hand, especially a full bottle of wine. Take the quarter with your right hand and place it in the palm of your left hand. Draw the silk back over the coin. With the thumb and index finger of your right hand grip the top of the wine bottle. It should look as if you are holding the quarter by its edges. Palm away the real coin. Move the covered quarter ( actually the top of the bottle) to the center of the table. Silently set the bottle down and slowly take your fingers off the "Quarter". It will appear to be a floating coin under cover of a handkerchief. To climax the trick, lift the hank off the bottle to reveal a full bottle of Vino right in the middle of the table. This might be a good time to steal a clipped wine glass from under your coat for a wine glass appearance. Details: The bottle will have a tendency to smack you chair, the table or anything else. Work hard to avoid this "Talking". Dont let the bottle bump on the table as you set it down. Dont set it on the edge of the hank as this will impede the revalation at the climax. When you lay the silk over the quarter on the table, the edge must come close enough to your left thumb so that you can snatch it without using your right hand. Use plenty of styling mousse before trying this or any other magic trick. PS I have never described an effect in writing before. Please tell me if its not clear enough. Steve Kucera the Wine Country Wizard Msg #7064 Dated 13:14:21 02-16-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: NEW CATALOG FILES Howie Schwarzman has uploaded another new mini-Catalogue. It is in the files area as HOWIE-04.TXT. Looks like good stuff! As a matter of fact, I'm calling him with an order now. Also, HOWIE-02.TXT has been reuploaded. Both of these mini-Catalogues are in the MAGIC! files area. Msg #7067 Dated 16:35:40 02-16-91 7063 <- From: PETE BIRO To: STEVE KUCERA (X) Re: MY CONTRIBUTION Steve, have you ever seen or heard of Sam Berland's "Wine of Karnak?" It is an Asrah with a glass of wine. Suitable for Parlour shows. I think it is in the Abbott Catalog. Also in Berland's new book, recently published with a collection of all of Sam's Great Effects. Msg #7068 Dated 17:12:03 02-16-91 7049 <--> 7086 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? Always wear a cap and carry an umbrella. Msg #7069 Dated 18:33:05 02-16-91 7047 <- From: WAYNE POWERS To: RICK RUHL (X) Re: STUFF My understanding is that Fred Kaps will NOT be on the Sullivan special this Sunday. That's what a friend at CBS told me, but he wasn't 100% sure. HOWEVER....I've heard that the Sullivan shows are going to be aired on cable in the not-too-distant future in a half-hour format. The info is fuzzy at this point, but I would think that Kaps would have an excellent chance of making it into that package. Msg #7070 Dated 18:48:37 02-16-91 7055 <- From: EVAN KATZ To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OH, NOOOOO!!! When I was a little ki who used to beg my father all the time to take me to Louis Tannen, so I could spend my last cent, one time (this was when Tannen's was on Times Square, bigger, and they still owned their publishing arm), we must have spent some money and Irv Tannen must have been in a good mood, because they took us down the hall into the room where they had illusions stored. (some sentance, that!). I belive some or all of the illusions were being stored for Henning's "The Magic Show." And there was Zig Zag, which Irv Tannen proceeded to demonstrate. And, yeah, it just worked! Anyway, I thought it might have been an interesting story, y'know... Msg #7071 Dated 18:50:33 02-16-91 -> 7072 From: SKIP SANSOUCIE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HELLO YA I have Williamson book , is it the slight of dave Video? I talked to Roth last time he was in CT he has some new stuff, Look for it. Msg #7072 Dated 18:59:41 02-16-91 -> 7073 From: SKIP SANSOUCIE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: HELLO well i dont know about LA but here there is alot of work, it semes like more and more resturants have a magician table to table. I work two, one for more then a year. maybe it`s just colder here. But i see more close-up in the east and not to much platform or stage. is close up and resturant work less popular out in LA.? Msg #7073 Dated 21:12:44 02-16-91 7071 <--> 7076 From: PETE BIRO To: SKIP SANSOUCIE (X) Re: HELLO I have both the Williamson Video and the Book. The Video is a killer, not only good magic, but he has funny commercials, etc. within. Msg #7076 Dated 22:43:40 02-16-91 7072 <--> 7097 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: SKIP SANSOUCIE (X) Re: HELLO Here in L.A. there is a big fad (may have been hurt by the recession) for incredible kids birthday parties, often with a mage. Our 2-year old, for example, was invited to one via a custom designed and produced invitation (estimated cost - $12 to $15 per invitation!). The party took over the carousel at the Santa Monica Pier for a couple of hours. Others feature bands, etc. Remember, we are talking parties for 2 to 5 year olds here! As to resturants, I see VERY LITTLE magic work being done. I've encountered TWO table magi in 5 years! Maybe it is the resturants I go to (no McDonald's jokes, please), but I think I get to a random sample in a variety of price ranges. I can't speak for the field in general though. I do know a couple of resturant magi who do seem to work. Msg #7079 Dated 22:53:15 02-16-91 7062 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STEVE KUCERA (X) Re: THANKS FOR THE TIP Thanks for reminding me of the infamous missing message! By now I'm sure Tabman has read my thanks, via your message. Your floating bottle sounds good. Hope to see your act sometime. Do you let the stage volunteers have a glass when you send 'em back to their seats? Msg #7084 Dated 0:43:04 02-17-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES #14 The fourteenth set of MAGIC! messages - #6500 (Feb. 5, 1991) to #6999 (Feb. 14, 1991) - has been transfered to a downloadable file. The file is named MAGIC-14.TXT. This means that you can now go to the file area, download this file, and read the four- teenth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-14.ZIP and less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version. This set of messages includes the first on-line exchange of messages between MAGIC! and MAGIC-NL in the Netherlands, info on how to license copyrighted music for your act (thanks to Tabby Crabb), Pete Biro's eulogy of Albert Goshman, some good sources for skulls, Pete Biro's reviews of some videotapes, and a lot of good effects by Pete Biro ("Twitch," some great Himber Ring moves), Tabby Crabb (terrific handling of a Cigarette Thru Quarter), Stan Lake ("Barroom Bet"), David Lichtman ("Spectator's Delight"), and more. There is, of course, also a lot of magic philosophy, news and chit-chat. Not only will transfering these messages to a file make it easier for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the search for new messages easier and faster. Msg #7086 Dated 1:26:35 02-17-91 -> 7098 From: GREGO WILMOTH To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? Thanks Pete. Doknow any boards that they are on so I could sent him mail? Msg #7090 Dated 9:17:09 02-17-91 -> 7120 From: DAVID SACKS To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAGIC BOOKS Stan, I think that even the basic" books can even be of a good quality. For example, the Tarbell course is outstanding in my opinion, and yet is basic. Sounds like the "good quality" stuff is the more advance stuff. If your interested I may be able to help your collection grow. I can get somethings at discounts. If interested call me (land line) at (213) 259-0739. e can also get together and I'll show you some of the books that I refer to. By the way, I'm in Highland Park. Just below Pasadena, and just east of Glendale. Talk to you later. David Msg #7092 Dated 9:24:47 02-17-91 From: DAVID SACKS To: DARRELL MURPHY (X) Re: GREETINGS Darrell, use this telephone number -- (213) 259-0739. Its a new phone with an answer machine; if no one is home and our baby sitter answers, and you don't speak spanish then I get no message, or a garbled one. Talk to you soon. David Msg #7093 Dated 9:48:32 02-17-91 7028 <--> 7100 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES You know, I didn't think aboyt the younger, more impressionable fanatics (as we all - well everybody but Maven and Biro - have been). You're right and it is something we can help to cover here on MAGIC! by having an HONESTY FIRST policy. Even in honesty there have to be certain judgement calls made as we all perceive things differently. We've applauded "honest" reviewers before until some of them have gone over the edge and let their jaded opinions interfere with the process, attacking those who had a different philosophy. I don't feel like naming names right now, but perhaps will if I'm pressed and in good company. A top US amatuer athlete (not my wife as she's so clean she squeeks when she walks - ooh rah) suggested that a man should never tell all his secrets; at least not all at once and never to the same people. I must be some kind of real nerd; a guy that likes to read books about books, as I enjoy reading comprehensive book reviews as much or more than anyone. Recently I contacted several publishers of what I'd consider worthwhile magician's books requesting permission to quote passages from their offerings for possible inclusion in my reviews here on MAGIC!. One rather sensitive publisher of indepth material has given me blanket permission to quote any of his copyrighted material while another more prolific publisher negated the value of indepth discussion on MAGIC! specifically of his material and withheld this permission. Even though the copyright laws actually give this "fair use" to reviewers and libraries I will leave his books out of the fray. This same publisher has taken some heat lately for fluffing out his books with needless verbage however, but we have several of his books here and his witholding permission does not negate the value of his work. If we can set the example here on MAGIC! of playing a four square game because we are completely interactive then the printed media must follow or be lost. If we don't take our seriousness seriously (my agent once told me to never read anything printed about myself, or if I did, not to believe it) and realize that the more perspectives that come into play the more diverse the base of perception. Sorry to bend your eye so much but I enjoy writing about magic books almost as much as I like reading about them. Truth is often disguised or hides behind a wall. If we; sentry like from different vantage points, call out what we see; perhaps we'll catch "Old Mr.Truth" yet. tabman Msg #7096 Dated 13:01:39 02-17-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: VIDEO CATALOG Think you have the definitive magic video collection? Here's Arnaud VanRietschoten's list of magic videos! And he has some that aren't even on this list! Here's a chance to compare with a master video collector. Of course, many of Arnaud's are in PAL (European standard video format), but it is some list. The list is in the files area as VIDEO-NL.TXT. A compressed version, VIDEO-NL.ZIP is available for those who use zip. Msg #7097 Dated 14:06:34 02-17-91 7076 <--> 7102 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: HELLO Marvyn Roy (Mr. Electric) told me he is very busy doing restaurant magic in the South Bay -- he lives in the Valley, tough commute -- but has a couple of new places he will be working in the Valley, near the good Dr. L. Msg #7098 Dated 14:08:30 02-17-91 7086 <- From: PETE BIRO To: GREGO WILMOTH (X) Re: DOES ANYBODY KNOW? No, but I understand Patrice Moore, here on MAGIC! works part time for both Stan Alan and Mike Caveney -- on their computer systems. Msg #7100 Dated 14:13:15 02-17-91 7093 <--> 7101 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES Someone in a recent Gulf War commentary said about a General (from a past conflict) "I never lie. But don't always asume I am telling the truth!" Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Msg #7101 Dated 14:48:07 02-17-91 7100 <--> 7106 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES One must read between the lines if it has been written by anyone remotely human. Msg #7102 Dated 15:13:12 02-17-91 7097 <--> 7109 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HELLO I always enjoy seeing Marvyn and Carol Roy work. Kinda ironic, but the last time he was at the Castle I brought 16 people from the local electric company. Pity he wasn't doing "Mr. Electric." Let me know where he will be working in the Valley. Msg #7103 Dated 16:14:19 02-17-91 7001 <- From: KEVIN MEADOR To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: VEGAS UPDATE David, I would like to have a copy of that newsletter if possible, and I would also like to know if you have any connections to get collectors material like promotional kits for preformers, especially illusionist, I am going to try and round up some of that type of stuff and put out a book in the future. My address is as Follows: Kevin J. Meador 2708 Rhodes Ave Vinton, Va 24179 Thanks! I would appreciate a reply back about the promo. material, I also wonder how I could get promo material or maybe even programs of the preformers in Vegas??? Lance Burton, Belinda, S&R, etc. Msg #7106 Dated 20:29:19 02-17-91 7093 <--> 7108 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES Thanks for your in-depth response, Tabber. As a former film critic, (many years ago), I have my own criteria for reviews of all kinds. Basically, though, I like to have the critic qualify his or her opinions and not hold back with criticism or praise when they consider it warranted. Sure, I like to read tough criticism, but there are always the "tough" critics who go out of their way to pan something only to show how "clever" they can be with a put-down...sort of a pauper's Don Rickles approach. That approach is as worthless as the critic who loves everything. On other subjects...what sort of literature do you enjoy and/or collect? Books on books in general are always interesting to me. Some favorite authors are Christopher Morley, (I actively collect his fine first editions...a lifetime hobby, as he was so damn prolific!), Vincent Starrett, and many more popular ones such as Milne, Conan Doyle, etc. Msg #7107 Dated 20:36:25 02-17-91 -> 7114 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: FIND IT! I just got a call from Karrell Fox in Palm Springs. He had a heart attack a month or so ago. He says, "I thought I had indigestion, was around the house during the day, then that night went out to do a show, finished the show and started to feel really bad. Called Lynn (his wife) to come get me. We went straight to the Hospital. It was a heart attack and they kept me there for 10 days. Doin' good now, and I definitely will be at the IBM at Baltimore in July to MC!" In the conversation the Foxy one mentioned that a magazine in Los Angeles called "BUZZ" has a great article on Dai Vernon written by Ricky Jay. Would appreciate if any member down there could get a copy for me and mail to 16 Los Banos Ct., Walnut Creek, CA 94598. Gracias. Msg #7108 Dated 20:39:39 02-17-91 7101 <--> 7123 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES One of Himber's great moves (he personally taught this to me) was to get "one ahead" in the coin slot of a particular NY subway turnstile. IE: If you put in 2 tokens the machine will be One Ahead. He would later come to the subway with a visiting magi (me in this case) and say, I have a move to get in FREE, watch. He would wave his hand over he turnstile and go thru without paying. this was great. At lunch he later tipped the modus to me. Crazy guy. You know he lived in a luxury apt. in a hotel on Central Park in NY FREE in a settlement for a fall on the premises. Just remembered name of hotel: Essex House. Msg #7109 Dated 20:42:57 02-17-91 7102 <--> 7115 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: HELLO I don't know yet, but if I find out you will be the 98th person to know. Msg #7111 Dated 21:04:19 02-17-91 From: ANDREW T OAKDEN To: RON MARTIN Re: BROOM SUSPENSION RON, I AM NEW ON THE BOARD AND WAS READING THROUGH SOME OF THE NEWER MESSAGE FILES AND ON 01-20-91 I SAW THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THE BROOM SUSPENSION. IF YOU LIKE I HAVE THE WORK-SHOP PLANS FROM THE TANNEN COLLECTION ON THE SUSPENSION. DROP ME A LINE IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO SEND YOU A COPY. Msg #7114 Dated 23:34:07 02-17-91 7107 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FIND IT! We had the info on Karrell in a message the next day. We even started a message section for him. BUT we NEVER sent the messages. The reason was disappointing response. I didn't feel comfortable writing him a note and saying "several hundred of your friends on MAGIC! wanted you to hear from them, so they sent these THREE messages..." VERY GLAD to hear that he is recouperating and will be in good form soon. Msg #7115 Dated 23:36:45 02-17-91 7109 <--> 7128 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HELLO WOW! I'm in the select first 100! That's "limited edition" country! Msg #7117 Dated 0:30:29 02-18-91 6800 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: SPOON BENDERS Tabman - It looks like somehow you missed message #6800 from Pete to you. You might, just for the record, want to go back and read it. Msg #7118 Dated 0:31:15 02-18-91 6836 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TA WATERS Re: HEBA HABA AL T.A. - Looks like somehow you missed a message from Jim Sisti to you (#6836). You might want to go back and read it. Msg #7120 Dated 9:21:49 02-18-91 7090 <--> 7126 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID SACKS Re: MAGIC BOOKS Thanks Dave, I'll give you a call and see when you are free. I've been pretty well swamped with my taxes lately so I haven't had much free time. Sometimes I think it would be less painful if they just went ahead and took an arm and a leg! Talk to you soon... Msg #7121 Dated 10:43:49 02-18-91 -> 7137 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: BOOKPLATES I've got an artist on the string who owes me some work from another job. He's working it off by doing a coupla magic bookplates for me. One for me and one for MAGIC! if we ever get into your idea of supplying books to libraries. What are your ideas about what should be depicted on said bookplate? Also I'll be posting a notice of the start of the next MAGIC! auction by this weekend. I'm trying to get a fix on the minimum bid but should be around a hundred bucks or so. tabman sg #7122 Dated 12:40:09 02-18-91 -> 7138 From: ANDREW T OAKDEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: FILES DAVID ANDY OAKDEN HERE THE NEW KID ON THE BOARD. JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAD A LIST OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THIS BOARD? AND ALSO ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTING ANY AMIGA FILES ON? ANDY OAKDEN Msg #7123 Dated 19:04:09 02-18-91 7106 <--> 7129 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES My interests outside magic seem to follow the course of life. For instance two years ago when we decided to build the recording studio on the property I got very much into studio design and construction. This year I'm involved in learning as much about wind and solar power as I can. This I'm really enjoying as there is a wealth of older material available and you know I like reading the old books. I've learned a great deal about antique house reconstruction as well over the past few. I've amassed much literature on photography as well as law and philosophy. Life pretty much revolves around magic, music and the search for the holy grail. Also trying to find a way to turn spring water into gold but no luck so far. Of course I spend some time in the shop most days but one can only take so much sanding at one time. Some nice things have been happening with my magical building and I'm looking forward to getting into it more after the move south and west. This has been a great discussion about book reviewers and hope to see something come out of it. Thanks. I've enjoyed it. With enough help I really believe we can do much good here on MAGIC! tabman PS. Much Edgar Rice Burroughs especially like his "Mars" books. Msg #7125 Dated 19:15:44 02-18-91 -> 7134 From: BURT CARPENTER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DESERT MAGIC With the seminar and contest coming up soon could you give us a hint as to to the judging criteria. What will the judges be looking for? Msg #7126 Dated 19:55:15 02-18-91 7120 <--> 7130 From: BURT CARPENTER To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAGIC BOOKS Didn't you see the new simplified tax form? It has only two lines. 1)Enter total wages,tips, salaries, etc __________ 2)Send in amount on Line 1 __________ Msg #7128 Dated 20:03:13 02-18-91 7097 <--> 7135 From: BURT CARPENTER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HELLO Marvyn can tell some pretty interesting stories. I was talking with him once about all the time he spent in Europe and he told me that a number of places that he worked were strip joints. They would have five to six strippers then a variety act. Talk about having to concentrate on your act..... Msg #7129 Dated 21:51:43 02-18-91 7123 <--> 7131 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES It's been enjoyable from here, too, tabber! I look forward to seeing you hopefully on your next visit to SoCal. Tell me some about your musical interests, wouldja? Msg #7130 Dated 22:15:14 02-18-91 7120 <- From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAGIC BOOKS Taxes? Taxes? Oh, I know I forgot something.... aarrrrrrgggghhhhh Msg #7131 Dated 22:16:40 02-18-91 7123 <--> 7132 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES Friend of mine in Pawlet, VT has a solar house. Cost him about a million buck to build -- around a Russian Stove. One little bit o' wood keeps the whole crib warm, which is cool, all day/night. Insane place. His name is Tom Burnside. to let you know how good his collection of old snapshots and cameras was "he sold it to the British Museum"!!!!! Nice guy too... if you shoot trap, call him. Msg #7132 Dated 22:18:44 02-18-91 7129 <--> 7147 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES What do all these messages have to do with Himber Moves? I thought he lived in the same place until he ran out of subway tokens. Oh, did you catch the Ed Sullivan show where Ed said (during a dance contest he MC'd before TV) Play the Music Richard Himber!!!! Msg #7134 Dated 22:20:57 02-18-91 7125 <- From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: DESERT MAGIC There are NO JUDGES. Everyone in the audience gets a ballot -- it is the "People's Choice" (an idea my ex wife came up with). Msg #7135 Dated 22:21:46 02-18-91 7128 <--> 7174 From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: HELLO I used to hang out with Finn Jon at Raymond's Revue Bar in London, which was a high class strip joint. He got lots of "hair" from long haired gals in the show. Msg #7137 Dated 3:44:43 02-19-91 7121 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOKPLATES A MAGIC! bookplate would be incredible, Tabman! I'm afraid though that my off-the-cuff ideas are too prosaic - like a wizard working at a terminal. I'm sure that you and the artist could do a LOT better. Also, you have to forgive me. Note the time of this message - I'm just coming off of a 12 hour work stint coupled with full-time child care (my wife is off on business) and the stuff I did yesterday/today has to be at client at 7:30 a.m. Will be working there all day and then will son again. MAGIC! may get short shrift later tonite. Sure glad we got folks like you to keep it goin'. Msg #7138 Dated 3:48:05 02-19-91 7122 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ANDREW T OAKDEN (X) Re: FILES We are working on doing a list of members of MAGIC! but on this system it is more complex than it seems. Also, there are some who prefer anonymity and their rights need to be respected. As to Amiga files, I'd like to see some too! But they MUST be magic related. Msg #7140 Dated 7:57:24 02-19-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: PALLBEARER'S Enjoyed talking to you last night. I didn't think we'd still be here when you come in March to do some NASA stuff but here we still R and we're looking forward to your visit. I'll let you know what Pallbearer's I need to round out my file when you let me know what U've got. Maybe I'll send you home with a tabman table if I can get ahead but am having some trouble cutting up this old cherrywood I got from a barn in WVA. It is beautiful but has gotten very dry and hard to work. Must be 50 years old or so. sg #7142 Dated 8:18:42 02-19-91 -> 7148 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: TABLE TOP Anybody ever cover a table with foam and billiard cloth? I wonder how thick a foam padding is best for a close up table. I have a big hunk of top quality billiard table cloth given to me by an old gambler/pool guy that has a "restoration" biz for pool tables, etc. in Long Beach. Msg #7146 Dated 13:33:46 02-19-91 -> 7151 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? I am slowlying growing brainless. Burt Carpenter has been very kind in locating and buying (for me) a Coin Magic of David Roth, published by Richard Kaufman. A killer book if there ever was one. A "continuation" of the Classic "Modern Coin Magic" by J.B. Bobo. Well, you guessed it, I just opened a box and what was on top? The same book. Seems two years ago I bought it and put it into storage and forgot about it. Is there anyone else here on the MAGIC! BBS that wants said book? Let me and/or Burt know as soon as possible, please. Burt, I owe you one. When I find my lecture notes, will send to you. Down to about 18 more boxes of books to look into.... Am out of shelves so I am holding off opening any more for awhile. What has me nervouse, all the Boxes Marked "good stuff" have been opened and I have yet to find my most valuable tome, "The Magic of Robert Harbin" -- Pray for me on this one... I think they are in the $1,000 range now!!!! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Adios mon amigos... el so forth and so on..... Msg #7147 Dated 16:30:41 02-19-91 7132 <--> 7149 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES Just goes to show you how far these continuous "reply" messages can get from the original topic! Yes, I did watch the Sullivan special and I KNEW you would be the ONLY one to catch that Himber reference!!! Heh, heh. Msg #7148 Dated 16:33:53 02-19-91 7142 <--> 7152 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TABLE TOP Half-inch, I think. But as my ex-wife used to say, "You can never have too much!" Although, if a tabled card sinks out of view, I would consider that slightly excessive! Msg #7149 Dated 19:45:45 02-19-91 7129 <--> 7182 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES There's a chance I'll be in So Cal in mid May. I'm biz mgr and publisher for rock group Bone Pony who're on a club tour cross USA rite now. Bone Pony is rock like ZZ Top. I'll be at the MAGIC! breakfast (if nada else) in Vegas next month. I wanna say hey to everyone and say thanks for all the pleasure given me by all. Music - used to perform but now work in the wings and try to help younger develop. Though I mostly do rock right now I'm good with country (most of my publishing royalty this year from country writer Sam Neely) and even was producer of Nat'l Boychoir of America's Christmas 1986 album. We do what we have to. Perhaps job with major in Nashville (been hinted at ???) if I don't wait too long to move. I'd rather stay indie if possible but I'm getting older and don't have the energy I used to. Enjoy reading and writing about magic. Could retire I guess but probably have some good years left if I can make it to spring one more time. Msg #7150 Dated 20:54:08 02-19-91 -> 7153 From: JIM SISTI To: ALL Re: SIMON BOOK I am looking for a copy of "Versatile Card Magic" by Frank Simon and was hoping someone had an extra copy laying around that I could purchase... (Perhaps Pete will unpack one...) Please advise. Msg #7151 Dated 21:00:46 02-19-91 7146 <--> 7154 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? How much for the David Roth book? The new one or your old one? Msg #7152 Dated 21:31:24 02-19-91 7148 <--> 7159 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: TABLE TOP Some day, if we meet, ask me to do my impression of Slydini using Jerry Andrus' close up mat. (Hint: Andruss used a soft pad about 2-inches thick). Msg #7153 Dated 21:32:20 02-19-91 7150 <--> 7183 From: PETE BIRO To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: SIMON BOOK I sure hope I unpack one. Do you know Frank Simon is a cinematograher? He did a killer documentary film (which I luckily saw) on a good friend of mine, Jackie Stewart racing an F-One car in Monaco GP. Msg #7154 Dated 21:33:41 02-19-91 7151 <--> 7163 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Burt Carpenter, here online has the one for me,and it is 35 bucks. Drop him a message. Tanks. It is worth much more IMHO, and is out of print. Msg #7159 Dated 23:33:09 02-19-91 7142 <--> 7167 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TABLE TOP I've heard of the Long Beach pool table "restoration" guy. Heard that there were some great bargains in prime billiard cloth, but that one sometimes has to forego the traditional magician's (and billiard player's) green in favor of more exotic shades. Will have to get his address sometime. Msg #7163 Dated 5:26:13 02-20-91 7154 <--> 7171 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? I'll get in touch with Burt, thanks. Also... Where can I get the Dukes Dyeversion I have heard you mention as a good closing routine? Msg #7166 Dated 7:56:54 02-20-91 -> 7190 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: OKITO AUCTION #2 MAGIC! AUCTION #2 TO BEGIN The mahogany framed check from Berg Magic to Theo. Bamberg (with signature) will be auctioned off starting this weekend. The bidding will last until the Desert Seminar where the framed check will be displayed at the MAGIC! breakfast and then mailed (or handed over if the high bidder is present) to the buyer. I want to take this opportunity to thank the donor of the check for his generosity and faith in the MAGIC! concept and all the others who have made contributions both financial and wordwise. Who am I but a user who believes we can make a difference sorta like public tv only private. As I am living on borrowed time if you don't hear from me for 72 hours or so; somebody with my number call home for news as Glo doesn't even know how to turn the computer on, much less sign on MAGIC!. Please do not make bids until notice comes up on Friday night or Saturday. Bidding will be done by < > msg to me just in case buyer wants to be the shadow. I'll let ALL know how it is progressing. Thanks! - tabman - Msg #7167 Dated 7:57:52 02-20-91 7142 <--> 7169 From: HARRISON CARROLL To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TABLE TOP Pete: You may want to try 1/8" foam padding. You could go to 1/4", but above that you will start getting too much bounce. You only need enough padding to allow you enough give to be able to pick things up. I covered quite a few pieces of plywood back in my Forks days, and found 1/8" to work the best. Good luck with your table. Msg #7169 Dated 10:38:40 02-20-91 7159 <--> 7170 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: TABLE TOP Green is available and the ONLY COLOR. I have some used black jack table tops given my by a casino mgr in las v. (Not Geno) Msg #7170 Dated 10:39:24 02-20-91 7167 <--> 7178 From: PETE BIRO To: HARRISON CARROLL Re: TABLE TOP Thanks much. I think you are right. All you need to do is get your "neatly trimmed (?) nails under the cards when shuffling" My only debate now is to go a square "restaurant type" table or make a dual purpose using a black jack top to maintain the theme of my den, Gambling/Casino look. With old Caille Slot Machine, El Sapo, Keno Goose and Faro items.... hmmmmm Msg #7171 Dated 10:41:25 02-20-91 7163 <--> 7176 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Duke's Dye Version is one of the greatest. It is available from Abbotts only -- you could make up your own, but you need a 20-foot x 1-foot tye died silk and a dye tube for it. It is easier and cheaper to buy the real thing. When you get it let me know and I will tip you off on the cleanest method to get rid of gimmick that is angle proof and EZ to say the least!!! Msg #7172 Dated 10:43:36 02-20-91 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TURNOVER SIMPLEX Looks god Tabbo... will try when I unpack my turnover wallets. I think an Apple Turnover would hit the spot rat now. Msg #7173 Dated 13:24:27 02-20-91 -> 7241 From: TABBY CRABB To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: FEB GENII Feb. Genii arrived today and looks like an excellent issue. Thank you for mentioning Quade's latest cd. aka tabman Msg #7174 Dated 13:59:24 02-20-91 7073 <--> 7175 From: SKIP SANSOUCIE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HELLO The coins and wand routine is a killer.....I use it all the time but none can do it like him. Skip.. Msg #7175 Dated 14:02:35 02-20-91 7076 <--> 7194 From: SKIP SANSOUCIE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: HELLO Here the resturants are haveing more and more magic(maybe a fad) but none the less were woring. As for the birthday stuff I don`t do it myself ( I cant deal with kids ) The comedy club thing is big out there i understand, therees not to much here for that kind of thing although the club scean is New realy just resently I`ve seen (the past 5 years) more work opening up but if you call your self a magician Thay look at you like (no rabits in here) kind of look......Sometime we get no respect. Skip. Msg #7176 Dated 14:54:57 02-20-91 7146 <--> 7180 From: BURT CARPENTER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Pete, perhaps there has been a little bit of miscommunication. The book I got for you was _COINMAGIC_ by Richard Kaufmann, not _DAVID ROTH'S EXPERT COIN MAGIC_ which was published by Richard Kaufmann. The volume has not been shipped to you yet. The book _COINMAGIC_ is 266 pages and has a section by David Roth which includes his directions for the Shuttle Pass, Karate Coin, and many others. The titles of the other sections are: Spellbound, Sol Stone Section, Geoffrey Latta Section, Edward Marlo on Sympathetic Coins, Slydini- Three New Sleights, Effects and Routines, and Effects and Routines. Is this the volume you found in your boxes? If not do you want this one? _COINMAGIC_ is also out of print. Msg #7177 Dated 15:26:13 02-20-91 -> 7195 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: TURNOVER SIMPLEX TURNOVER SIMPLEX* tabman An easy routine using a "turnover wallet" or cardbox. -REQUIRED: Turnover wallet or flap type card box Double backed card to match deck Duplicate card (for illustration use 4H) Laundry marker in contrasting color to backs of cards as spectator will sign back of card (Black on red/Red on blue) -EFFECT: Spectator selects card and signs back. Card is placed in wallet. Card vanishes from wallet and is found back in pack, this time face up. HOW DO IT: << SetUp 4H DB 4H face down on top of deck >> -Shuffle cards maintaining top three cards on top of deck. -Riffle Force top card (if you don't know riffle force look on pg 40 of "Now You See It, Now You Don't" by B. Tarr or elsewhere). -Spectator slides forced card face down off deck with finger and let it stay FD on table. -Hand him/her pen and request signature on back. Card stays face down. -Pick up forced card (4H) with sig. on back and place FD on top of deck immediately above DB and dupe 4H. -Triple lift and turn over keeping cards on top of deck and slide dupe 4H onto table. [ signed card is now face up under the DB card on top ] -Cut deck and table. Signed card is now face up in center of pack. -Place dupe 4H face up in turnover wallet or card box. Close and turnover. Work is now done. -Signed card can be revealed face up in middle of pack after showing that it has vanished from wallet or box. -To reveal signed card spread deck face down to find 4H which is face up. -Let spectator turn it over to find signature. Presentation and patter is UP TO U. * Turnover Simplex was inspired by RAY MERTZ' SIMPLEX CARD IN WALLET found in "THE CLOSEUP MAGIC OF RAY MERTZ". It is not the same or even a similar effect. Just the inspiration for use of the turnover (or Himber type) wallet. Msg #7178 Dated 15:55:45 02-20-91 7142 <--> 7191 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TABLE TOP I think the thickness of foam padding would depend upon the density of the foam being used. I'm using a low density polyurathane foam right now in quarter and half inch depending on the type of table. This foam "gives" easily but holds its shape unlike foam rubber which can dent. However the polyurathane cannot take heavy weights which would dent the foam rubber anyway. The stuff I use is dark charcoal gray in color and makes for a pretty good surface even without covering. For six point four million I'll build you a table to hold an M1A1 Tank; complete with a Desert Storm BDU for you with Magic Corps collar insignia, a strategic map of the middle east with telescoping pointer pen and toe activated remote control to release the tank from the solar powered electro magnet in the fly. Msg #7180 Dated 16:14:09 02-20-91 7171 <--> 7210 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Thanks Pete. I'll see if the Castle library has their latest catalog for prices. Msg #7182 Dated 19:14:09 02-20-91 7149 <- From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: HIMBER MOVES Sounds great. Hope you can make it out here in May. I started out many years ago in the music business as a nightclub singer in New York. Also was in talk radio as well as music radio in St. Louis. Here, in L.A., I was in the music publishing biz back in the mid seventies, representing Henry Mancini, Bobbie Gentry, Richard Harris, Livingston & Evans, Patrick Williams, Marvin Hamlisch, etc. I haven't been active in the music biz for quite a time, although I'm still a lyricist and active member of ASCAP. I love watching, reading about, and humbly performing magic. I also enjoy collecting magic posters, books and apparatus. My collections are small but appreciated. Msg #7183 Dated 19:26:27 02-20-91 7150 <- From: WAYNE POWERS To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: SIMON BOOK I certainly would never part with mine, Jim. His work on spread controls is remarkable. I only wish I were capable of getting through the entire "advanced" section! ( I guess that's gonna take some more time and a few hundred more decks of cards!) Msg #7186 Dated 19:55:32 02-20-91 -> 7205 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: RIVERBOAT GAMBLER? "Oh look, it's a three and a six...." word for word. Understand Del Ray is put out, but it's only hearsay. Just got off the phone with a friend who wanted to know if anybody had any info on the Ricky Penn-Del Ray controversy as there is some doubt as to whether Del Ray actually gave/sold the act to R. Penn. But me, I don't know. aka the tabman Msg #7188 Dated 21:31:40 02-20-91 From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: A LITTLE LATE If I could WOK like that I wouldn't need the lichee nuts. Msg #7189 Dated 21:43:24 02-20-91 -> 7199 From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN To: ALL Re: MINI Mini catalogue #5 is ready in the files section. We thank you for your support. Msg #7190 Dated 23:49:49 02-20-91 7166 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OKITO AUCTION #2 Incredible, Tabman, absolutely incredible! I can't wait for Desert Magic and the chance to see the framed check. MAGIC! really appreciates the contribution, both from the anonymous donor of the check and from you for the deluxe framing and for running the auction, and, well, heck, for being the guy you are. Someone is gonna walk away from this with a fantastic collectable! Msg #7191 Dated 23:52:20 02-20-91 7169 <--> 7192 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TABLE TOP Thanks for the correction - you were right, I were wrong - he ONLY has green 'cause that's what he strips off to replace with exotic colors. Msg #7192 Dated 23:54:09 02-20-91 7178 <--> 7211 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TABLE TOP Sheesh! $6.4 Million and he doesn't even put in a laser! Msg #7194 Dated 23:56:00 02-20-91 7175 <--> 7208 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: SKIP SANSOUCIE (X) Re: HELLO You are right, the comedy club scene is BIG out here. And, yes, they do have an attitude about magicians. Which is why we see so many "comedy magic" routines out here. Personally, MOST "comedy magic" makes me barf, but I recognize that it is intended for a beer drinking, heckling audience with the I.Q. of an eggplant. (NOTE: The views expressed in this message are those of David, NOT those of MAGIC!) Msg #7195 Dated 23:59:37 02-20-91 7177 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TURNOVER SIMPLEX Good stuff, Tabman! But when I got to the part about "cut deck and table" I got confused... Is this a chain saw trick? Msg #7196 Dated 0:01:01 02-21-91 -> 7215 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: SIGNED BILL TO WALLET I'd like some thoughts on the best/easiest method for doing a signed bill to wallet. If it is signed bill in envelope in wallet, all the better. What do you recommend? Msg #7199 Dated 0:08:06 02-21-91 7189 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MINI Howie Schwarzman's newest "mini-catalog," HOWIE-5.TXT is now in the MAGIC! files area. Looks like some nice new stuff gathered from all around the world. Msg #7202 Dated 1:10:21 02-21-91 6500 <--> 7219 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: FORCE DECKS Stan, Hope that you have not gotten rid of the decks. I was out of town and didn't get your message until tonight. I would still like to get them if you haven't already disposed of them. Leave me a note with your address and a check will be in the mail ASAP. If you have parted with them so sorry for not getting you a message. Thanks Doug Msg #7203 Dated 1:40:57 02-21-91 -> 7242 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: ALL Re: JUST HI Just wanted to say Hi again to one and All. I made it home from Corpus Christi, Tx. Now I have to wade through messages to get caught up. Look forward to all the news. Doug Msg #7204 Dated 1:42:26 02-21-91 -> 7207 From: ANTHONY BLAKE To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: PIZZA... Hey Wayne...Caught you Dominoe's spot on KCAL tonight (actually saw it well over 20 times!)...not bad! The spot got me hungry for a pizza so's I ordered one from my local Dominoes (is there any place that doesn't have a Dominoes...maybe Baghdad?)... it arrived 39 minutes later...I love to save money...and my technique must have worked...just put tacks on the nearest crossroad and whammo...free pizza...Cowabunga! Msg #7205 Dated 1:45:59 02-21-91 7186 <--> 7212 From: MAX MAVEN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: RIVERBOAT GAMBLER? When "Slick Rick" performed his clone-Ray act at the Magic Castle, he told people it was with Del's blessing -- even claiming that he had been coached by Del and had had props built by him. However, John Thompson called Pennsylvania and checked, and Del was outraged, saying that no such permission had been given. The Castle board has informed "Slick Rick" that he will be persona non grata in the future. Msg #7207 Dated 9:49:50 02-21-91 7204 <--> 7220 From: WAYNE POWERS To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X) Re: PIZZA... Hope you showed up at the door wearing a stopwatch around your neck... ...that always gets 'em! Msg #7208 Dated 9:55:29 02-21-91 7174 <--> 7209 From: PETE BIRO To: SKIP SANSOUCIE (X) Re: HELLO Why not? It only takes practice. Msg #7209 Dated 9:55:57 02-21-91 7175 <--> 7508 From: PETE BIRO To: SKIP SANSOUCIE (X) Re: HELLO Don't call yourself a magician. Mike Caldwell uses a great line, he says, "I used to be a Magician -- before I became an ENTERTAINER!" Msg #7210 Dated 9:57:08 02-21-91 7176 <--> 7221 From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? BURT... I HAVE BOTH. I AM TRULY SORRY AND WILL PAY YOU FOR IT IF YOU CANNOT FIND A BUYER HERE ON MAGIC! LEMME KNOW. Msg #7211 Dated 9:58:36 02-21-91 7178 <--> 7217 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TABLE TOP ok, you started it... I was going to sell this to Copperfield, but, knowing David, if he does want to do it he will send me my usual stipend and give full credit "above his name".... here we go.... One of the great "unsolved effects" (there have been versions in print, but the experts say they are all wrong) is AMAC's Find the Lady. A three card monte effect performed on the vodvil stage. A "little known" FACT about this effect, revealed here for the first time... is that the AUDIENCES THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT -- that is why it didn't last very long. How do I know? My Father was on the same tour with Amac and noted that it got little or no reaction most of the time! So here is my 21st Century Version... especially for D.C. We are at the front lines in Iraq. There are three small bunkers. Looking much like Walnut Shells (?) -- Copperfield explains he is going to hide in one of them and there are two "coalition force" jet helicopters with laser guided missles on the way. David runs across the sand, proper music as he departs his harem beauties in a beautiful tye-died Rice Silk (he has just finished the re-enactment of the Marines raising a Rice Flag on Iwo Jima, with a variation by Jim Steinmeyer) -- Copp (as some of his friends call him) heads into a bunker. Unbelievabley the bunkers move about the sand, much like the shells in a giant 3 Shell game!!!! They stop moving. Suddenly one of the choppers comes over the horizon, it is British in manufacture, we see the pilot, setting his tea cup aside, lines up "his" chosen bunker on the radar screen, the laser locks on... he sips more tea and we see the "smart bomb" fly into the target, go IN THE DOOR OF THE BUNKER -- AND COME OUT.... GOING INTO BUNKER NUMBER TWO..... a Huge explosion.... No Collateral damage, a nearby group watching Larry Jennings do "no get ready double lifts" does not even look up! Again, a Jet Helicopter flies into view. The pilot -- the special guest star -- Tom Cruise roars to the target with the girl singer on his lap.... he sights what "was" the middle bunker... lines up the laser, and HE LETS HIS GIRLFRIEND press the button. The missile goes way off target destroying a set of Linking Rings that Whit Hayden had handed to a group of innent Magic Dealers. The Jennings group still does not look up. Just before the copter leaves the scene, Cruise lets his final weapon loose, a Guided Stock Car with Mello Yello painted on its side. It crashes into the bunker bursts into flames and Cruise rushes off to another movie set. The excited spectators wait. They are looking to see D.C. emerge from the final bunker. There is movement... but what is this.... a THIRD HELICOPTER comes over the horizon.... it has NO MARKINGS on it... Radar says it has come from a parking lot in IRAN.... a single bomb is thrown out the door, it hits the ground short, but does not detonate... it rolls toward the bunker... the bunker door opens and a figure is seen but the bomb explodes destroying the bunker and its occupant. The unmarked helicopter lands, the cameras zoom in... it is.... (OK there are two possibles: 1 - it is Copperfield. 2 - it is Penn and Teller and they announce to the world they have really become the Bad Boys of Magic by KILLING the good boy of magic... fade to black, titles, credits.... tears by many. Msg #7212 Dated 10:14:16 02-21-91 7186 <--> 7213 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: RIVERBOAT GAMBLER? Who is Ricky Penn? And is Del Ray still working? Anybody know if he was ever on the Ed Sullivan show? Msg #7213 Dated 10:14:54 02-21-91 7205 <--> 7218 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: RIVERBOAT GAMBLER? I have a message on my phone machine from Tomsoni and as soon as it isn't TOO EARLY I will call him. Msg #7215 Dated 10:17:08 02-21-91 7196 <--> 7247 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: SIGNED BILL TO WALLET The BEST is the Seabrooke version -- but for gods sake write your own gags ... oh, sorry DR. I know you will do it YOUR WAY.... ask me to show you the EZ handling at Seminar Msg #7216 Dated 10:18:27 02-21-91 From: PETE BIRO To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: MY MESSAGE EARLIER You might want to (if you wish) print the Copperfield put on I poster here earlier today. It might be a fun piece in Genii. Msg #7217 Dated 11:02:18 02-21-91 7211 <--> 7224 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TABLE TOP A helmeted figure emerges from the chopper. It is Copperfield who pulls a chained Sadaam H from the gun door. Penn and Teller dig their way out of the third bunker wearing jams and loud beach shirts. Teller is wearing a baloon dog on his head and grins as he wipes the dirt from his brow. The spectators at the close up table still not looking up. Fade to black. Msg #7218 Dated 11:31:08 02-21-91 7205 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: RIVERBOAT GAMBLER? My friend thinks that maybe there was a misunderstanding between St. Louis and Pennsylvania, though there was the opportunity for a private (secret) taping in Missouri at the formers mansion where the aging magi was booked to perform a while back. It doesn't make any sense to me but would be surprised to learn that it was out and out plagerism. Once you get caught in the sixth grade copying somebody elses work seems like you'd learn unless I guess if you can overcome that sick feeling you get you might stand a chance at a life of crime. Me, I don't know but I hate that feeling. I'm glad my conscience survived the insanity. Msg #7219 Dated 16:24:35 02-21-91 7202 <--> 7282 From: STAN LAKE To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: FORCE DECKS I thought you were out of town (Texas?) so I did hold on to them. My address is 9250 Sunland Blvd. #11, Sun Valley, CA, 91352. Are you ever in the area of the Magic Castle? I would much rather just make a swap there as I had three decks for Burt Carpenter lost in the mail. If you aren't in the area then I will go ahead and mail them but I will be sure to insure them just in case. Let me know how you want to do it. Msg #7220 Dated 16:33:01 02-21-91 7204 <- From: STAN LAKE To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X) Re: PIZZA... Baghdad does have a chain of pizza parlours. Not Dominoes- Bombinoes. Guaranteed delivery to your bunker in 30 minutes. Air raids permitting! Msg #7221 Dated 16:37:41 02-21-91 7210 <--> 7226 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Hi Burt! A couple of things- Doug Larson would like the force decks I had reserved for him. I kept a couple of decks for myself so how about if I give you two decks and two bucks? Also, if you have purchased a book on Pete's behalf which he already has a copy of I don't mind buying if off of you. Just let me know. Msg #7222 Dated 17:25:35 02-21-91 -> 7223 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DEL RAY Del will be getting a Fellowship, so he'll make a rare trip to the west coast to attend the banquet. He'll perform his stage act, which he plans to retire this year. As for the close-up, he's still going strong so far as I know. I believe he's been booked for the Phoenix convention that will take place around the time of the banquet (whether for stage, close-up or both I do not know). "Slick Rick" is Rick Nieswonger, based in St. Louis. He has worked under those names, and also as Ricky Penn, doing pickpocketing, illusions and hyp. I saw a letter he wrote to Bill Larsen after the confrontation at the Castle, in which he modifies his claim, but this toned-down version is still at odds with what Del says. My money's on Del. Msg #7223 Dated 18:54:22 02-21-91 7222 <--> 7227 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: DEL RAY Good to hear Del Ray will do the stage act. Msg #7224 Dated 19:10:42 02-21-91 7217 <--> 7244 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TABLE TOP Ok... Msg #7226 Dated 19:11:33 02-21-91 7221 <--> 7236 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Thanks Kimosabe Msg #7227 Dated 19:12:09 02-21-91 7222 <- From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: DEL RAY Just talked with "AND COMPANY" and she gave me the full scoop. I didn't know who it was... but thanks mucho for filling me in. Just saw one of the BEST ACTS I HAVE SEEN SINCE THE RUSSIANS... ACT JUST GOT IN TIME FOR SEMINAR CONTEST... LOOK OUT.... NAME OF ACT: Dancemagic, from Switzerland. Msg #7231 Dated 19:17:39 02-21-91 -> 7233 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: OBIE O'BRIEN A phone call from Joe Stevens, who just heard from Jay Marshall, Obie O'brien was feeling poorly, and went to the sawbones... Doc took one look at him put him into hospital (I don't know where) and will probably be having open heart surgery by the time you read this!!! Hang in their 'COACH' --- CHEEEEZ, WE NEED ALL THE GUYS TO STAY ON THE PLANET WE CAN!!!q Msg #7233 Dated 20:18:19 02-21-91 7231 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OBIE O'BRIEN What? Msg #7236 Dated 21:32:37 02-21-91 7221 <--> 7283 From: BURT CARPENTER To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Stan, good to hear from you. Sounds fair about the decks. I am supposed to take a client to the Castle next Tuesday. Perhaps we could make the exchange then so you could save the postage. About the _COINMAGIC_ book Pete had originally ordered, see message #7166 for a description to make sure it's the one you want. The _FOCUS_ books just came in and will get shipped out just as soon as I can get with Max for the autographs. Msg #7238 Dated 21:34:31 02-21-91 From: BURT CARPENTER To: ALL Re: FUNRAISER UPDATE Thanks for your support of the MAGIC! booksale fundraiser. As you all know MAGIC! has no dues so various creative ways have been devised to help support MAGIC! (direct contributions to David ARE accepted!) These include the auctions held by Tabby Crabb and the booksale. For those of you not familiar with the booksale, go to the files area and download BOOKLIST.TXT. This is a list of new books for sale at regular prices but you get a discount as no tax is charged and MAGIC! gets 10% of the proceeds. The first participants are getting specially autographed copies of _FOCUS_ by Phil Goldstein. Our thanks to all of them. Those lucky purchasers are: Richard Hart David Lichtman |~~~~~~~| David Vanvranken | ^ ^ | Trevor Griffiths <| 0 0 |> Stan Lake | || | | \____/| \_______/ Msg #7241 Dated 23:12:15 02-21-91 7173 <--> 7257 From: DANTE LARSEN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FEB GENII sorry it took so long. i do the bagdad at the office and kept overlooking the C.D. which is home. Howzit selling? Msg #7242 Dated 23:27:37 02-21-91 7203 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: JUST HI Welcome back, Doug! I think that many of the messages that you missed are already in files - MAGIC-13.TXT and MAGIC-14.TXT. Good to "see" you here again! Msg #7244 Dated 23:40:01 02-21-91 7224 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TABLE TOP And I was just about to go into a long tirade about how there is really no such thing as "comedy magic." You two (Tabman being the other) have me falling off my overhead projector and rolling in the rather limitied floorspace here at MAGIC! central. We've certainly never had anything like THAT set of messages around here before. Msg #7246 Dated 23:23:40 02-21-91 -> 7294 From: DANTE LARSEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE Pete, saw you earlier query for a copy of the Buzz magazine with the Dai Vernon article written by Ricky Jay. I picked one up for you today and will send it pending your reply if you got one yet or not. If you did already get one I'll put it in the Castle library where it should last about 15 minutes before the infamous a*****e decides it would go nice on his/her coffee table. As a matter of fact I wouldn't put it in the library, I would make a copy instead. know why? Last week I put a skeptical inquirer mag in the mail bin for Bill Pol figuring some magi may find it to their taste (Bill Pol is the librarian) the next day on my daily trip in & out to pick up Suzanne it was GONE. Yup, in ONE DAY it was lifted. The March issue of Genii will be lacking video reviews because the tapes for review, in Billy McCombs slot, were taken OUT OF THE WRAPPERS, Leaving ONLY THE WRAPPERS. Man oh Man, I am on a mission to eliminate this person/s from the facilities forever. The new Library IS right around the corner and it will feature a personal parts collection under glass of those with no morals to discourage future scum. Make sense. Or, we could put all the stuff in boxes set it in glass, never mind. Terry Seabrook is at the castle this week............ I don't know about running the copperfield piece in Genii. It seemed clever but blowing up bunkers means blowing up people killing sucks man. What year is it?. Finally, before I wear out my welcome WAIT TILL you read the advice Dai gave to Ricky Jay. Classic! But why didn't he ever say that in the Vernon Touch? Sorry folks, can't print it online. It might get to Cincinnati. Msg #7247 Dated 23:46:41 02-21-91 7215 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SIGNED BILL TO WALLET Actually, yes, I DID plan to do it my way. As a matter of fact, I want to imbed it in something else. Seabrooke's version take any gaffed props that have to be bought? Msg #7256 Dated 5:50:46 02-22-91 -> 7258 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: ALL Re: FARO SHUFFLE Good friend of mine from college, Robert Walker, does perfect table riffle faros. (He's also a "Twisting the Aces" nut, but that's a different story.) While we were in college, he use to practice by doing 8 of 'em in a row, quickly and evenly. Of course, this put the deck back in its original order. They were so smooth, none of this occasional reweaving or starting over. Even though I never got the hang of the tabled version (occasionally I can get one), Bobby did teach me the in-the-hands version. Told me it was easy, and I believed him! After considerable practice, I did get the hang of it. An added bonus is that you get good at cutting 26 cards -- this by itself is useful for some neat effects. A tip for faro shuffling is to use a good deck. Old decks with broken corners are almost impossible to faro. And new decks need to be broken in. A Marlo tip is to rub each of the four corners against a surface to "smooth" them. For some reason, some decks just seem to faro easier than others. If you find one that does, keep it around for faro effects. Some people weave from the top down, but I weave from the bottom up. It is nice to be able to weave both ways. For more details see Marlo's booklets Faro Shuffle and Faro Notes. In addition there are some neat mathematical principles that apply to faro shuffling that can be exploited. For example the 18th and 35th card from top swap places after each (out) faro, very useful information indeed. Then there is the Stay Stack. With this, the cards stay stacked relative to one another after any number of faros. If you are mathematically inclined, you'll love playing around with some of the other properties of the faro. There are some great tricks using the faro. The new Elmsley books should have some. My favorite is Mike Skinner's "Carlyle's Ghost" from Epilogue magazine. A note on this effect is that the original used the name Frances Carlyle to spell to the chosen card. I replaced this with a name that also spells with 14 letters, Charlie Randall! Now the really good stuff is the perfect table riffle faro push-through shuffle. Huh??????!!!! As for the unshuffle effect, it appeared in Genii at least 20 years ago in Charlie Miller's Magicana section. The author in that case was not Paul Gertner, although it is usually associated with him. Charlie Msg #7257 Dated 6:16:53 02-22-91 7241 <--> 7274 From: TABBY CRABB To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: FEB GENII This month was just fine. Gave me a chuckle aka laugh to read all my names in one spot. Glad there are no magicians gunning for any of us as I'd be in trouble. The CD is about sold out. The group is coming back in the studio to remix most of the same stuff for a cassette release. When the Bone Pony tapes come in I'll send one out to you. Rapidly becoming my fave of groups I work with (they're getting hot). If all goes as planned I'll be in Redondo Beach in mid May with the boys for a few daze. I missed my usual Feb trip to LA this year as Grammys were in NYC this year. Maybe they'll be in Nashville next time (probably LA tho - I don't mind). The Harkey stuff you've been running is primo also nice to see an issue devoted to a "producer" as us behind the scenes guys need a boost ever once ina while too. Did you catch the magic on the Grammy show with MC Hammer? Msg #7258 Dated 10:59:02 02-22-91 7256 <--> 7388 From: JEFF BUSBY To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: FARO SHUFFLE You might also want to check the material in _Cardiste_ by Russduck, the inventor of the Stay Stack along with the material in Marlo's _FARO CONTROLLED MIRACLES_, and Swinford's stuff for a more complete overview. Even the earliest material in _EXPERT CARD TECHNIQUE_ is pretty interesting -- including Charlie Miller's method for the Tabled Riffle Faro. The 18/35 transposition first appeared in that book -- 50 years ago -- based on Fred Black's Faro Tables, the granddaddy of them all. I used to think I was pretty hot stuff because I could do eight Tabled Riffle Faros in under a minute to recyle the deck (according to Mel Brown who clocked me). Want a humbling experience? Meet Gabriel Moreno of Spain -- one of the guys from the Escuela Magia de Madrid. It's enough the guy does it without hesitation, but he does 2 into 2s, 3 into 3s, and 4 into 4s! I'm not speaking of the gag Double Faro idea that appeared in _Ibidem_ (and you must have checked out Ronnie Wohl's Faro material that appeared in #36 -- there is much more that is still unpublished). Moreno really does it with no butting of the deck. He can drop them in perfect pairs, threes, and fours -- plop, plop, plop, and very fast. By the way, he can also deal not only great seconds, but thirds, fourths, fifths, etc. And, taking that idea even further, he deals sets under sets: He can deal out, for instance, a BLOCK of three cards from UNDER three, four from under four, and five from under five. Just unbelieveable! You want to commit suicide. O.K., I concede it's mostly exhibition stuff, but it looks great, and he practices his butt off on this stuff for weeks before he shows it, is into zen and martial arts, but he CAN AND DOES DO IT. Somebody should bring this guy over to the U.S. He'd set the technicians here agog. Unfortunately, he's a bit of a will o' the wisp and doesn't speak English. He published the methods for the block deals in a paper with Luis Garcia about a decade ago, but strictly in Spanish for the Escorial attendees. Also you may want to check Jerry Andrus' ideas in _KURIOUS KARDS_ (I think) on preparing a deck for the Faro Shuffle. I think Jerry was the first to publish a method for controlled Faros (the Bottom Up that you do and I prefer) in _ANDRUS DEALS YOU IN_ way back in the early 1950s. I'm assuming your reference to a Tabled Riffle Faro Push-Through Shuffle is intended as a gag. Funny, but what you might not realize is there IS a use for it and it's very subtle and is good for both magicians and laymen. References to my work with it have been in print for over ten years. Yeah, I'm being obscure, but it's no gag. Msg #7263 Dated 12:08:45 02-22-91 From: STAN LAKE To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: COIN BOOK Burt, message number 7166 is about Tabmans framed check for auction, not about your book. Could you please describe it again? I have to get in a habit of writing down some of these message numbers as they go by so I can refer back to them. You mentioned about meeting at the Castle. Sounds good. Leave me a message or call me at (818) 768-6181. My in-laws are in town this weekend and I'm not sure if I will be able to go this Saturday as I usually do. Do get in touch and we'll work it out. Thanks! Msg #7267 Dated 16:29:39 02-22-91 -> 7276 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: LETTERS TO PLATO Dear Plato, Biro is on the road. Dr. Light is on the road. And Gloria thinks I should get a haircut (been over a year) and I should be working on my taxes. Looking forward to Charlie Randall's visit next weekend as I could use some new (old) Pallbearer's and a nice break. Last night I was reading through my file of Seance Magazine. What an excellent publication. Too bad its going to stop its run in two issues. What else is there out there like it? MAGIC! has been mucho great lately. Someday we'll publish a "Best of Magic!" so we can read it all again by the glow of the fire some winter's evening and it would make a great fundraising project. Speaking of which, the Okito Check Frame Auction will begin tomorrow as soon as I write up a notice probably in the morning. Would like to start it at midnight but what time zone. I guess MAGIC! operates on west coast time so we'll have to shoot for midnight Saturday night. It turned out so great that the donor himself (not me) suggested he might bid. He has now sworn me to secrecy and made me sware on a stack of Sphinx Magazines that I'd never tell. I will leave a clue as to the donor sometime, someplace but you'll never figure it out. I'll leave another clue someplace in/on the piece but the buyer will be hard pressed to discover the secret also. Say, this is fun. There's more than one way to fool a magician as grandma used to say. Dr. Lichtman started a card in envelope in wallet thread. I must admit it is one of the most powerful tricks you can do for the laypeople. Why are they called laypeople anyway? I would think that effectively working a crowd of magic entheusists would be most satisfying too. It's fun to be fooled by a magician with a pleasing personality and a flair for presentation & I've made some good friends by being a good audience. Ray Mertz has an easy and effective Card In Envelope In Wallet routine which uses a "Himber" type wallet. In Ray's effect the envelope is signed but I can't say more as it may be in the Ray Mertz issue of Magic Menu which is coming out in a few months. Maybe Dante can get him for Genii sometime as Ray does lots of closeup (and parlour) shows each week and is a top draw at The Forks Hotel which is for sale again - any takers, partners. Say, how bout an effect from Harrison Carroll the great trade show worker. I've seen Harrison work and he's smoothe as whipped cream and makes the audience scream and looks like a dream (don't even think about getting the wrong idea I was looking for another rhyme) and plays on the team. Sorry, been drinking coffeee with spiced rum all day so I'd better get outa here. Back later. aka tabmann PS: Max was right. Al Mann has moved to south to West Virginia and I have his address now thanx to Jeff Busby. Msg #7268 Dated 17:39:41 02-22-91 -> 7272 From: JIM SISTI To: ALL Re: DAVID ACER David Acer, a rising young magic star from Canada and creator of "Nomen Omen" is my house guest this weekend. I was just showing him MAGIC! and I thought I would say "Hello" for him and for myself while we were here. He's down here for the New England Magicians Convention tomorrow. Msg #7270 Dated 17:55:57 02-22-91 -> 7278 From: BURT CARPENTER To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: WRONG NUMBER Stan try message 7176 to find out about the book. I dont know whaty happened. I have a printout here that definately shows the message as #7166 but you are right when you go back and read it that one is about Tabby's auction. I just went back to the main menu and scanned the messages to find the right one it is (today) #7176 Re:Biro's Brain, Gone? Dr.L, whats going on with the numbers? Msg #7272 Dated 20:34:56 02-22-91 7268 <--> 7277 From: TABBY CRABB To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: DAVID ACER Tell David we said hello. Enjoyed his work in Magic Menu and others. Where is the NE Magic Conv held and what's going on? Msg #7274 Dated 23:07:51 02-22-91 7257 <--> 7284 From: DANTE LARSEN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FEB GENII Good to hear it's selling. I caught the final minutes of the M.C. Hammer magic bit. Looked like Franz Harary might have had a hand in that. I was more glad that the Hammer was featuring magic and hopes he includes it in the next tour. I'm curious if he is a magic buff or if it was just some grammy set dressing. He has a positive message for inner city youth and magic would seem like an ideal alternative to the grim realities inner city children face in America each day. Why does magic get so much support for the kiwanis club kids but seems to ignore the kids that really need it? the hurtin'? just a thought. Thanks Hammer but can the Taco Bell commercials. Msg #7276 Dated 23:21:05 02-22-91 7267 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LETTERS TO PLATO Dear Socrates: You've almost got me tempted to stay up until midnight just to see if you really do it! It is fairly close now, but I'm awfully tired. To clarify what I'm looking for, it is really a signed bill into sealed envelope in wallet. Msg #7277 Dated 23:24:14 02-22-91 7268 <--> 7305 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: DAVID ACER Please deliver a "Hi!" back from MAGIC! central to David Acer. Have heard some very good things about him. He'll certainly be welcome here on MAGIC! anytime. Msg #7278 Dated 23:26:39 02-22-91 7270 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: WRONG NUMBER Can't be the message number, Burt. I just went back twice and read 7176 and it WAS about the book, not about Tabby's auction! Someone (or sometwo) typed the message number wrong. Will check it a couple of other ways, but so far message 7176 is as solid as a rock. Msg #7282 Dated 1:26:41 02-23-91 7219 <--> 7299 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: FORCE DECKS Stan, I live in Glendale and work in the Beverly Center (at The Tinder Box) As I will be Terminating all my help tomorrow I expect to be tied to the store for the next two weeks. (Things didnt go so good while I was out of town). I do get to the castle but not with any regularity, I'm not a member yet. If you want to do a swap I'll send you the money and you can just hold them for a while. Another drop site is the Tinder Box store in the Glendale Galleria. My wife is the manager of that store and she would be glad to bring me yet another deck of "magic" cards(yah right) If you want to send them use UPS, they have a much better success rate than Uncle Sams P.O. Let me know. Msg #7283 Dated 1:43:55 02-23-91 7176 <--> 7300 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Burt, If this book is not spoken for I'm speaking for it. It's definatly not in my collection and would like to have it. Thanks Doug Msg #7284 Dated 2:28:16 02-23-91 7274 <- From: MAX MAVEN To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: FEB GENII It was Franz Harary's doing; he has designed illusions for quite a number of pop and rap touring shows. Msg #7285 Dated 3:07:38 02-23-91 -> 7289 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: ALL Re: CLOSE-UP MIRROR Here's something many of you may already have. This is not a new idea, I have seen it suggested somewhere before. I didn't know how easy it would be to do. For those who don't have a practice mirror this makes a very inexpensive way to make your own close-up practice mirror. I went to Standard Brands and bought three 12 inch mirror tiles, three 12 inch self adhesive floor tiles and a 5 yd. roll of black Super-stik cloth tape. The tiles were stuck on the back of the mirrors to give a finished appearance and to protect the mirrors from being broken while it is stored or being carried. Next I bordered the mirror/tiles with a piece of the tape that I split in half (the tape comes 1.5 inches wide) so there were no sharp edges to get cut on. Finally, I used the tape to make hinges between the three mirror/tiles so the finished mirror can be folded into a 12 inch square for easy storage or to take it with you. Cost to build: 3 mirrors @ .99 = 2.97 3 tiles @ .79 = 2.37 1 roll tape = 1.99 ---------- $7.33 plus tax The assembly of the whole project took me about 2 hours. I hope this may help some of you to put this little project together. If you need more specific instructions let me know. Doug Msg #7286 Dated 6:46:26 02-23-91 -> 7337 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO OK, so I didn't make it to left coast midnite lst night but I didn't say which nite plus its gotta be midnight somewhere right now. I'm ready for bids on the framed check from BERG MAGIC to THEO. BAMBERG with both gents signatures. This baby is worth at least a hundred bucks the way it sits so let it start there. As usual should you accept this assignment ALL proceeds will go for the benefit of MAGIC!s daily operation, etc. Winning bidder to be announced at the MAGIC! breakfast in Lost Wages Friday March 22, 1991 and shortly thereafter on MAGIC! unless of course the winner wishes like the donor to remain a shadow. Good luck! Do I hear 100. Msg #7289 Dated 12:34:43 02-23-91 7285 <--> 7302 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: CLOSE-UP MIRROR Doug - Using the adhesive tiles on the back is a terrific idea. I've used the mirror tiles and tape to build practice mirrors, but never did like the exposed backs and the risk of breakage. Thanks! Msg #7294 Dated 13:44:10 02-23-91 7246 <--> 7301 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE The quote certainly didn't sit very well with some. Cervon claims that the Professor NEVER used that kind of language. I, for one, am ALL FOR the "Personal Parts Collection." It's very sad that so much is missing from the library. I've been disappointed many times by "missing" volumes. The answer lies in better security, (perhaps the new library will solve this). I would also recommend a review of new membership policy to see if there might be some better screening process. Unfortunately, it only takes ONE low-life slime-bucket to undermine the fraternal nature of the Castle. Msg #7295 Dated 15:33:04 02-23-91 From: JIM HOY To: ALL Re: MAGI FEST Did anyone attend the Magi Fest earlier this month in Columbus, Ohio? If you did, what did you think of it??? Msg #7299 Dated 17:55:40 02-23-91 7282 <--> 7303 From: STAN LAKE To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: FORCE DECKS I think my wife will be at the Galleria sometime this coming week. If not, I can definitely be there this coming Friday as I will be just down the street. So I will go ahead and drop them off at the Tinder Box at the Galleria. Msg #7300 Dated 18:01:27 02-23-91 7283 <--> 7304 From: STAN LAKE To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? I was going to purchase that book but you are more than welcome to it. I have so many I have yet to read before I get any more! Msg #7301 Dated 19:52:05 02-23-91 7294 <--> 7307 From: DANTE LARSEN To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE Iwonder if the quote was injected as some spice to get it in a "hip" (pheww!) national mag. I did hear though that Vernon was quite the ladies man, at least that's what my mom said. I know for a fact that due to the cretin(s) that steal from the library (stealinmg from a library - geez) certain artifacts have been kept under lock and key until the new facilities are ready (soon). Also, in a library with books on lock-picking and the like trust has always been encouraged. It is after all for the members. Msg #7302 Dated 21:12:58 02-23-91 7289 <--> 7309 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: CLOSE-UP MIRROR I saw one made that had cardboard taped on the back and just took it a step further. A finished appearance is more "professional" and it keeps your brain thinking about a polished performance. Msg #7303 Dated 21:17:56 02-23-91 7299 <- From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: FORCE DECKS As they say "The check is in the mail", well it will be on monday. Thanks Msg #7304 Dated 21:18:59 02-23-91 7300 <--> 7322 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? I only replied if there were no others before me. If you don't want it I will let the offer stand but you have first choice. Msg #7305 Dated 21:47:08 02-23-91 7272 <--> 7306 From: JIM SISTI To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DAVID ACER NEMCON is held in North Haven, CT every year. This year featured JOhn Carney, Meir Yedid and Chris Carey. We just got back a few moments ago. David says "Hi!" (Actually, what I said was "Hello", but Jim's too damn tired to care). s Msg #7306 Dated 21:50:04 02-23-91 7277 <--> 7310 From: JIM SISTI To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DAVID ACER [Reply from David Acer] Thanks, David. MAGIC! is a terrific idea, although I'm not computer oriented myself (whatever the hell that means). I am, however, quite proficient with my toaster. Msg #7307 Dated 0:33:25 02-24-91 7294 <--> 7314 From: T A WATERS To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE Re the Professor's language -- Cervon said that to me, and I told him I have heard Vernon talk that way more than once, and so have others; it is, also, a rather unimportant point in an excellent article -- and I certainly don't think anyone would think the less of the Professor for using such words -- not these days, anyway... Msg #7309 Dated 1:09:29 02-24-91 7302 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: CLOSE-UP MIRROR Mine has nothing taped on the back. But I think I'm going to check out the adhesive tiles. Since it isn't a prop and I don't see the back I'm not too worried about the appearance - I'm sure you've seen what things look like backstage - but I believe that the tiles will increase the safety. Msg #7310 Dated 1:11:28 02-24-91 7306 <--> 7311 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: DAVID ACER To David Acer: Don't know if this message will reach you or if you will have already left Jim's place (in which case, perhaps he will be kind enough to print it and mail it to you). There is no problem with using a toaster to communicate with MAGIC! As long as you can attach a modem to it you will be fine. Although, in the case of a toaster, you may have to modify the "cereal" port (Jim will explain). Seriously, there are some folks who have now bought computers mainly to stay in touch with MAGIC! There are many inexpensive computers that can be used, although they lack some features that are very desirable (the Radio Shack Color Computer for about $100 comes to mind). Very fine machines can be bought used, etc. Just don't loose the phone number (818-896-7450) and remember that you have to leave a COMMENT in order to be registered. Msg #7311 Dated 8:04:28 02-24-91 7310 <--> 7312 From: JIM SISTI To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DAVID ACER (From David Acer) I have recently adapted my typewriter by placing a TV set on it. This has yet to work although I have not built up the courage to actually turn the thing on... Msg #7312 Dated 11:01:06 02-24-91 7311 <--> 7319 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: DAVID ACER It is possible to build your own computer, starting with a typewriter and a television set. A few intermediate electronics are also required. As a start, however, you should take the typewriter ribbon and attach it to the antenna terminals of the television -- Jim can explain this "ribbon cable" to you. Msg #7313 Dated 11:03:00 02-24-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: BERG/OKITO AUCTION The bid stands at 150. Yes, the frame will carry the tabman shop mark. Working in studio today. Back later tonite. Msg #7314 Dated 11:59:45 02-24-91 7301 <--> 7315 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE The issue, as I understand it, is not whether or not the Professor was a "Ladies' Man" but rather his style and manner which is arguably inconsistant with the quote. We're talking about a presentation of the Professor's "image" here and it's understandable that there are those who are protective of him in this regard. Regarding the library situation...do you think the new facilities will solve the problem entirely? If not, what other measures do you suggest? Msg #7315 Dated 12:11:44 02-24-91 7307 <--> 7316 From: WAYNE POWERS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE I particularly enjoyed your comment, "Well, maybe you know better. I've only known The Professor since 1960." Bruce does have a point. It's entirely subjective and I think it comes out of a love for the man and a desire to protect him at a time when his age and physical condition may be seen to prevent him from doing so himself. Msg #7316 Dated 13:39:58 02-24-91 7315 <--> 7333 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE I believe that loyalty over long periods of time is the longest, strongest suit in the deck of friendship. Msg #7317 Dated 14:27:49 02-24-91 -> 7320 From: TABBY CRABB To: PLATO Re: QUIET INSANITY Am most happy to hear that some of you enjoy my typings and derive some measure of pleasure from them. Magic in general is undergoing a changing of the guard perhaps in tune and in time with the rest of the world. We are saddened by so many losses lately of important figures in the magic world. We are lucky to part of a general body that remembers the departed and their contributions to the field. It is better to be remembered by a small group of good fellows (using fellows by definition #8 in Webster's Collegiate Dict. as person belonging to a learned society) than to be forgotten by the world at large for sure. I raise my glass to the west at evening and call their names and ask to be remembered to them by the great spirit. I watch the sunset for a moment and smile and understand the motivating force bonding not only man by the heart, but by the intellect. Magic has a way of attracting inquiring minds. Minds that rarely sleep. Minds that burn the match of desire to move forward. Harry Anderson said that magicians were not born to make lots of money. I think in an offhand way he was speaking of love. You can't deny, my friends, the reason you are here. Quiet, one of the old ones raises his glass, "We have tried to follow not only your art, but your presentation. We have spent long hours in solitude practicing moves that in your hands were peotry. We toast you now because by learning that we cannot be you we've learned we can be ourselves. We will remember." Msg #7318 Dated 14:45:49 02-24-91 From: STEVE BRYANT To: ALL Re: HER, AGAIN IN APPROXIMATE ANDRE KOLE AT INDIANA UNIVERSITY Msg #7319 Dated 16:13:03 02-24-91 7312 <--> 7321 From: JIM SISTI To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DAVID ACER (From David Acer) Jim has explained the ribbon cable to me, and also his variations...including the cut and restored ribbon cable, the mis-made ribbon cable, and finally, the little-known, seldom-seen color-changing cable-to-dove. Heading back to Montreal. Thanks for the kind words. Hope to speak with you again soon. Msg #7320 Dated 17:57:40 02-24-91 7317 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: QUIET INSANITY Incredible, Tabman. Simply beautiful. Msg #7321 Dated 17:58:24 02-24-91 7319 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: DAVID ACER (To David Acer) Hey, David, if they've got phones in Montreal, get a modem and give us a call! Msg #7322 Dated 22:07:30 02-24-91 7304 <--> 7345 From: STAN LAKE To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? I have no need for the book at this time so you are welcome to it. I will probably get it a year or two down the road when it is even more hard to find and consequently more expensive! Msg #7326 Dated 0:28:29 02-25-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DRUMMERS, ETC. Sonny Rollins used to practice at the top of the Brooklyn (or Williamsburg, I forget which and several authors have documented it) Bridge at around midnight. Msg #7327 Dated 0:25:19 02-25-91 -> 7354 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: TABMAN Tabman is priceless! Forget the haircut. I did. Just back from road trip, staying up too late watching CNN. Guy caught me with a great gag. I said I had not seen Bernard Shaw on the tube lately. He said, "hadn't you heard of the movie he's doing? " I said, "NO". He said, yeah, "DANCING WITH WOLF BLITZER!" Here's one nobody will believe BUT IS TRUE. Driving back to Hotel last night, got off the 8 Freeway (in San Diiego near the football stadium) and under the freeway overpass (late night after midnite) was a guy with a full set of drums, set up and playing drum solo, like mad. When I got into the hotel bar and told an associate he said the guy was there the night bvefore tooo. And this AM when I left fo the airport, the guy was there again. What's next, a Bass Soloist? No kiding this was true. Sorry about typos, am almost asleep at tghe keyboard here....arggghhhhh This group of guys I was with were really going nuts in the bar. A good lookin' lady would walke by and these guys (about 6 of them) would fall off their chairs and roll across the floor (honest) literally roll across the floor after her. Laying flat on their bodies on the floor., reallyo crazy site. Must've bgeen the Stolichnoya rocks i wuz sippin Msg #7329 Dated 1:25:02 02-25-91 -> 7353 From: SHAWN FARQUHAR To: ALL Re: GREETINGS Hi I just wanted to say hello and tell all of you how nice it is too see so many active magicians in the States. I am From Vancouver Canada and feel rather isolated from the action. I look forward to at least talking with a few of you on a more regular basis. Thanks. Msg #7331 Dated 9:08:58 02-25-91 -> 7362 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: LIFE'S GOAL I heard this on TV, so I guess it is OK here. Comic said, "My Life'.*s repeat (line noise at end of line one?) My Life's Goal is to find PIDGEONS and shit on THEM!" Msg #7332 Dated 9:10:14 02-25-91 -> 7363 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: GREAT VISUAL GAG The guys rolling across the floor in the hotel lobby the other night reminds me of a gag I used to do (with a freind or two) when I was much, much younger. If you are in an elevator with a couple of buddies, going down to the lobby... LAY ON THE FLOOR. When the door opens, if there are people waiting to get on, slowly get up saying 'BOY THAT WAS THE QUICKEST STOPPING ELEVATOR I'VE EVER BEEN ON.' The guys I told it about the other night came up with an improvement (they said they would do it this way) "Hey, we'll all get up on the railing and when the door opens fall to the floor!!! correction (line went crazy above) railing and when the door is opening FALL onto the floor! Ah, drunken youthful nuts! This is corny, but as Bill Larsenk Andother bad line? This is corny now, but years ago I did this in hotel room parties. I wouldj walk in with my ever-present camera around my neck and say, "Can I take your Pictures?" They would say "sure" so I would just walk around the room and take the pictures hanging, off the wall and go out the dooslr with them. wall and walk out the door with them. Note: the crazy broken lines above seem to happen when I backspace to correct things. Maybe it will be ok when delivered??? Lemme Know David. Msg #7333 Dated 10:39:13 02-25-91 7316 <--> 7355 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE We obviously think alike, Mr. Tabman. I've never said it quite that way but you can be sure I will. Our philosophy sometimes seems anachronistic in the 90's. Msg #7337 Dated 11:48:08 02-25-91 7286 <--> 7370 From: JEFF BUSBY To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO Do I have it correct? Is this a check from Joe Berg to Theo Bamberg (Okito) signed by Joe on the front and endorsed by Okito on the back? This must be from the days when Okito was building for Joe back in the 1940s -- a piece of memorabilia that any Bamberg fan would love to have and hold. I'm almost as interested in the clue you've built into the display frame! Neat idea. Bids are private to you? Msg #7345 Dated 20:07:47 02-25-91 7283 <--> 7371 From: BURT CARPENTER To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Sounds like it's yours. Stan has graciously conceded to your desires. Send $35.00+2.50 shipping to Burt Carpenter,23900 Ironwood B126, Moreno Valley, CA 92387. As always I'll donate 10% to MAGIC! Pete, it seems you are off the hook! Msg #7346 Dated 20:13:52 02-25-91 -> 7422 From: BURT CARPENTER To: JEFF BUSBY (X) Re: BIG BROTHER I also don't believe in stirring the sleeping giant at the State Board of Equalization (That name sounds communist doesn't it?) What is your address so I can send you a copy of my resale license? Msg #7347 Dated 20:14:44 02-25-91 -> 7472 From: DENNIS PIERCE To: ALL Re: COPPERFIELD'S SPECIAL Can anyone provide broadcast date of this years special? I also saw John Carney lecture at CT's NECOM this past weekend a fine job despite his cold. Thanks Jim Sisti for your newsletter ..nice content,great job. Dick Wilson what are you registered under. Tried to leave message but it would not take. That's all from CT. sg #7348 Dated 20:21:24 02-25-91 -> 7349 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LAYING LOW Is Biro back? You're always missed when you're done. Msg #7349 Dated 20:23:15 02-25-91 7348 <--> 7372 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LAYING LOW Should read, "...when you're gone." Rolling across the floor, my word! Msg #7350 Dated 20:24:13 02-25-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: THE OLD ONE'S TOAST Thanks. Msg #7351 Dated 20:25:15 02-25-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: VERNON'S FRIENDS No doubt. Msg #7353 Dated 21:13:00 02-25-91 7329 <- From: BURT CARPENTER To: SHAWN FARQUHAR Re: GREETINGS Shawn, welcome to MAGIC!, and don't feel left out. Many of us come from areas that are far from other magicians. Most of the time that makes for a better magician as you are not influenced by poor quality of performance of other locals. Michael Ammar, who is getting a lot of press these days told David and I about how he grew up in a small Texas town with books as his only source of magic inspiration. Today he is an international performer. Some of magics great innovators were secluded introverts who used there isolation as an advantage. Isolation gives you the opportunity to be creative instead of being tempted to copy the performances you see around you. Tell us more aboot yourself. What kind of magic do you do? Msg #7354 Dated 21:16:37 02-25-91 7327 <- From: BURT CARPENTER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TABMAN far better the drummer that practices at midnight under the freeway overpass than the one who practices at that hour in the hotel room next to mine.!!! Msg #7355 Dated 21:38:06 02-25-91 7246 <--> 7359 From: BURT CARPENTER To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE I was in a sporting goods store once that had a unique theft detterent. It seems the store owner had been robbed a few times but after he installed this device he has had NO trouble. that was over eight years ago. The device? he mounted a loaded crossbow with a broadhead arrowpoint from the ceiling. The crossbow was pointed at a spot directly in front of the cash register and a string ran from the trigger, down the wall to where the owner stood when opening the cash register. Perhaps something like that could be rigged in the library operated by remote control when the low life theif passed through the the magnetic shoplifting sensors or video camera. On a more serious note, I hope those responsible are caught and PROSECCUTED!!! Then post his/her booking sheet on the bulletin board. Msg #7359 Dated 23:25:53 02-25-91 7314 <--> 7360 From: DANTE LARSEN To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE Everything will be on microfilm and the close up mirror will be traded in for a ladies compact. Msg #7360 Dated 23:28:10 02-25-91 7355 <--> 7369 From: DANTE LARSEN To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE how about Ricky Jays arm spring loaded with a metallic card. Msg #7362 Dated 23:42:20 02-25-91 7331 <--> 7373 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LIFE'S GOAL He actually said PIDGEONS on television??? Was the censor asleep? Msg #7363 Dated 23:43:50 02-25-91 7332 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: GREAT VISUAL GAG I have no idea what caused the broken lines, Pete. Backspace usually doesn't do that. Personally, I've always wanted to walk up to some stranger's desk and say, "May I borrow your phone?" And when they say, "Yes," pull out a wire clippers and well... you know the rest. Msg #7367 Dated 0:24:48 02-26-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: NEW FILE Steve Bryant has provided an interesting review of Andre Kole's recent performance at Indiana University. It is in the files area as KOLE.TXT Thanks, Steve! Msg #7369 Dated 8:38:07 02-26-91 7360 <--> 7395 From: PETE BIRO To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE It's easy. You need a Librarian with a Pit Bull. Actually, I think that the Library should be CLOSED unless attended by a librarian (for awhile to set the example anyhoo!) Msg #7370 Dated 8:39:18 02-26-91 7337 <--> 7376 From: PETE BIRO To: JEFF BUSBY (X) Re: BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO Has anyone told Joe Stevens or Doc Albo about this? Msg #7371 Dated 8:39:47 02-26-91 7345 <--> 7413 From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Nothing beats getting "off any hook!" Msg #7372 Dated 8:40:31 02-26-91 7348 <- From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LAYING LOW I am a missing person right now. At least mentally. Har! Just tunin' the bass. Msg #7373 Dated 8:41:39 02-26-91 7362 <--> 7380 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: LIFE'S GOAL You should have seen/heard his routine about going to the bathroom when he wakes us in the morning with a P*SS H***ON. Using the mike stand sa as a graphic! line 2 us should be UP Msg #7375 Dated 9:09:25 02-26-91 -> 7384 From: TABBY CRABB To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: TORN AND RESTORED CARDS Hi Jim... Thanx for your call this morning letting me know that my version of the torn and restored card trick, "Torn" which you've published in your magazine had been traced to Karrell Fox' book "Clever Like A Fox" under the title "Rip Off". This was actually good news to me as I'm glad to see somebody else laying a prior claim to the effect besides Tom Mullica to whom I bow to as being one of the most clever magicians on the planet besides being one of the world's funniest citizens. I took a lot of heat on that one because it was included on Tom's video which came out in the mid 80s as opposed to the Fox book which was published in 1976 according to Bart Whaley's Who's Who In Magic though here again I don't have that particular book, though I will be getting it now you can bet. When I heard your voice I this morning I thought you were someone calling from radio land (are you in radio or tv? - if not you oughta be) and was pleased to hear it was Jim Sisti. On another subject, "The Man Who Was Erdnase" book came in this morning from Oakland. Ditto what Biro said, What A Book! Wish I could check into a hotel for a coupla daze with room service etc to read. I understand there are people who are reading it through for the third time straight. Amazing. Get this book if you can. Anyway, gotta get back to doing nothing (which I do quite well, thank you). Actually I can't remember. I think I was petting my dog Curley. Where's that book? tabman Msg #7376 Dated 9:38:49 02-26-91 7337 <--> 7378 From: TABBY CRABB To: JEFF BUSBY (X) Re: BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO Yes, the year was 1941 and the check is made out to Theo. Bamberg and endorsed by him on the back. I've compared the signature to the Okito autograph in my copy of Quality Magic (not as nice as the one I auctioned off, but no signature) and it checks out. I would love to keep it myself, but I love MAGIC! more that's why I decided to frame it to let part of myself go forward with it and perhaps in a small part have an honored place in some lucky magic lover's home or office for many years to come. From this I derive my fame and pleasure knowing that maybe I'll be remembered much as you will through your books and other writings. tabman would honestly prefer that "one of us" get this piece and that it will grace a small collection rather than merely add in a small way to some grander, but no less revered collection. I suspect that Berg was paying Okito for some apparatus as the time frame certainly lines up to the days when the famed magi moved to Chicago for his "retirement". Sure wish I knew what he (Jos. Berg) was paying for and to somehow find the particular apparatus or whatever to display along with the check. Would be difficult unless one of these gents kept maticulous records and they were still available. All we've got to go on right now is the date and dollar figure. 40 dollars was a respectable sum in 1941 and would buy a nice piece of magic especially at wholesale prices or direct to the builder. Yes, bids private to me. I've got an idea for another auction piece in a couple of months too, but don't want to let the cat out of the bag yet. tabman Msg #7378 Dated 10:30:30 02-26-91 7337 <--> 7385 From: TABBY CRABB To: JEFF BUSBY (X) Re: BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO Sorry, should read 1949 instead of 1941. OK. Msg #7380 Dated 13:42:17 02-26-91 7373 <--> 7387 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LIFE'S GOAL This wasn't network televison, right? It was one of those kinky channels you get on your cable? Certainly doesn't sound like Kansas, Toto. Msg #7384 Dated 14:33:57 02-26-91 7375 <--> 7396 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TORN AND RESTORED CARDS Old joke. When someone says "Nothing" as answer to "wahtcha doin?" You say, "How do you know when you're finished?" Msg #7385 Dated 14:35:08 02-26-91 7376 <--> 7392 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO Is it Houdini's American Express card? Msg #7387 Dated 14:36:35 02-26-91 7380 <- From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: LIFE'S GOAL Twas HBO bwana... Just saw a group of prisoners wander into a scene where a CNN camera guy was shooting already. The poor Iraqis were crying, dropped and started kissing the marines! (One of which like it!) Msg #7388 Dated 14:43:12 02-26-91 7258 <--> 7393 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: JEFF BUSBY (X) Re: FARO SHUFFLE Jeff, funny you should mention the "TABLED FARO RIFFLE PUSH- THROUGH"whatever else Shuffle. Just witnessed the same last week. Richard Turner was lecturing at Darwin's Wednesday Midnight meeting in Las Vegas and it was AMAZING! (On second thought it may not have had a "push-through". It was so hard to tell.)After Faro'ing the cards, he "squared" the cards in a typical springing action, and stripped out the cards IMMEDIATELY followed by an Up the Ladder style triple cut. This cut neatly covered the (usually odd looking) strip-out action. His reasoning was very sound. If you need to Faro the cards to set up something why would you draw suspicion by changing shuffle styles midway through. It looks nicely consistent to Faro shuffle and cut, followed by the exact motions of a couple Strip-out Faro and cut sequences to maintain the set-up. If you have seen Richard work, you know what I mean anyway. Being nearly blind, he has practiced his moves to such a degree that there is no doubt when he executes a cut or control or whatever, the cards WILL be there each and every time without needing to "peek" or check his work. Of course we had to take his word for a lot of this, since he was so smooth even when demonstrating we couldn't "catch" anything anyway! (The "we" included Jimmy Grippo, Mike Skinner, Alan Ackerman...) You may have seen his Ad in Genii on card technique. He states that the video has some views shot through a glass table to reveal a behind the scenes peek at what is happening. I personally can't justify his near $90 asking price (even if it is for two volumes) but for a serious card mechanic it should be a great reference. On another note, I just bought Richard Osterlind's "Challenge Magic" tape and agree 100 percent on his "Heavy-duty, Industrial Strength Magic" claim. The material was well presented without the Studio "Glitz" of other tapes, and his teaching was clearly presented. I didn't even object to his advertising pitch at the end as his items are a welcome change from Box Tricks and gimmicks so prevalent in magic shops nowdays. I was mildly disappointed in the packaging. A ragged photocopy glued to the outside of the box could have been improved on with a simple sleeve style box found in most stores for not much more money.(If I happened to get an advance copy from my dealer, I apologise now) Even so, the content exceeded the modest appearance and I am glad to own such a tape. Keep it up and I hope to meet you and everyone else at Desert Magic. Dave VanVranken ps. Darwin's meeting starts at 10:00 PM every wednesday night at Pat's Jumbo Chinese Restaurant in the Commercial Center on Sahara Ave. It is usually packed the night before Desert Magic so expect a good time. Gary usually has a guest lecturer not booked at the Seminar just to keep things interesting. Msg #7390 Dated 15:32:00 02-26-91 -> 7409 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: CHECK As I have heard nothing to the contrary, I assume that you have rec,d my check for the Final Word. Didn't want you to think that I had stiffed you. Msg #7392 Dated 16:30:08 02-26-91 7385 <--> 7400 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO It might be the underwear Jarrett wore around the Windy City and at Ireland Magic's backroom. Msg #7393 Dated 16:30:54 02-26-91 7388 <--> 7399 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: FARO SHUFFLE David, I've bought that Challenge Magic video by R. Osterlind too and agree that it is very good. I didn't mind the low cost packaging since it was priced lower than most shorter and prettier packaged stuff by some others I've seen, though I admittedly own few teaching videos much preferring reading and the feel of a book. Been enjoying your contributions to MAGIC! make a belated welcome to you and will see you at the MAGIC! breakfast. tabman Msg #7395 Dated 20:24:01 02-26-91 7369 <--> 7401 From: RICHARD HART To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE A librarian on duty at the Castle? With all the misdirection going on there, I would have thought a prison guard would be more apropos. Imagine, strip searches before leaving... Msg #7396 Dated 20:37:58 02-26-91 7375 <- From: JIM SISTI To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TORN AND RESTORED CARDS When you get the book, I'd like to see a copy of the particular trick in question. By the way, I don't remember if I mentioned it to you on the telephone, but it was Tim Wenk, whom I ran into at the New England Magicians Conference this weekend, who finally tracked down the trick to Karrell Fox. The issue with your version of the trick is on the way, incidentally. And, yes, I spent twelve years in commercial radio before I started doing magic full time. Thanks for the kind words. Msg #7397 Dated 21:31:29 02-26-91 -> 7412 From: JIM SISTI To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: NEMCON REVIEW I uploaded a brief review of the New England Magicians Conference held on Saturday as NEMCON.ZIPZIPZIP ZZZZZZZZIP Msg #7399 Dated 21:47:48 02-26-91 7393 <--> 7424 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FARO SHUFFLE I was on a Jeep Driving excursion in the mountains a couple of years ago in the Reno/Tahoe "gold country" area... on a trail literally in-accessable except by foot, horse or jeep. Every few miles there were people at various junctions to make sure you didn't get lost or hurt. One crossroad had a few folks standing around, one of which was a young lady. She had a deck of cards in hand. And was ripping off Faro Shuffles like a true mechanic. I stopped to talk for a minute and asked her where she learned the Faro shuffle. She answered, "the what?" I explained. She said she didn't know anything about it... she just picked the cards up one day and started weaving the cards to kill time and didn't know anything about it... just could do it. Msg #7400 Dated 21:51:00 02-26-91 7392 <--> 7425 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO Upper or lower? Msg #7401 Dated 21:51:20 02-26-91 7395 <--> 7403 From: PETE BIRO To: RICHARD HART (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE Search 'em on the way in. In case they are sneaking bad material BACK IN!!! Msg #7402 Dated 21:52:14 02-26-91 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: ON THE ROAD AGAIN Doing my Willy Nelson bit and am On the Road Again. Will try to log on if I can get to a phone. Will be in the Nevada desert, near Top Gun territory (Nellis A.F. Base -- if anybody's still there??) Snappin pix to try to pay the rent, which is getting tougher...Might be in Vegas Wed. nite will check the club meeting.... adios Msg #7403 Dated 22:05:51 02-26-91 7401 <--> 7405 From: RICHARD HART To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE You crack me up, Pete. Wonder how long the line's gonna be next time Lady Pendragon makes a visit to the library? Msg #7405 Dated 23:44:16 02-26-91 7369 <--> 7460 From: DANTE LARSEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE That would be nice but it would probably be cheaper to let them take the books. Sent out the "Buzz" today. Msg #7409 Dated 0:28:42 02-27-91 7390 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: CHECK I'm sorry, Marvin. Things have been frantic around here and yes, I think I did receive the check. Msg #7412 Dated 0:47:07 02-27-91 7397 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: NEMCON REVIEW Jim Sisti's review of the New England Magician's Conference is now available in the files area. It is named NEMCON.TXT (NEMCON being a nice acronym for New England Magician's Conference, but a bit unusual to type) and is also available in zipped form as NEMCON.ZIP Thanks, Jim! Msg #7413 Dated 0:59:57 02-27-91 7345 <- From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: BIRO'S BRAIN, GONE? Thanks Stan and Burt. I'll drop the check in the mail tomorrow, that is if I can find one of the funny stamps to go with the left over 25 cent ones I have. Doug Msg #7414 Dated 3:20:59 02-27-91 -> 7419 From: ANTHONY BLAKE To: ALL Re: PRUNES... For those of us on the left coast, just saw several television spots featuring Academy of Magical Arts close-up award winner Brian Gillis. He is promoting the California Prune Council...in one of the spots he does a sponge ball routine with prunes. They are very low key spots and I actually had to look twice to recognize Brian...maybe this will become a "regular" job for him! As always... THE GEEKMAN! Msg #7417 Dated 10:03:38 02-27-91 -> 7420 From: WAYNE POWERS To: ALL Re: RAMBLINGS... Those of you in proximity to the Magic Castle should make a bee-line to see Johnny Thompson performing in the CLOSE-UP gallery. Johnny is one of the true living masters of magic...equally dazzling in any magical medium...from close-up to parlour to stage...from coins and cards to doves to illusions...from straight magic to hilarious comedy. RUN DON'T WALK to the close-up gallery this week (early schedule) to see him. ALSO: . Button seen on the lapel of Bryan Lee, (Stage Manager Extraordinaire at the M.C. Palace of Mystery): "LIFE'S TOO SHORT TO WATCH BAD MAGIC!" . Msg #7419 Dated 12:05:20 02-27-91 7414 <- From: PETE BIRO To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X) Re: PRUNES... Have you seen the latest California Raisin commercials with Claymation of Carl Ballantine as a theatrical agent. His face -- GREAT LIKENESS -- and, of course, HIS (unmistakable) voice. One of the greats! Hope he makes enough on this one to buy his own horse! Msg #7420 Dated 12:06:51 02-27-91 7417 <--> 7513 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: RAMBLINGS... As I said at last year's Magic Seminar (introducing Johnny Thompson's lecture) "Many regarded Fred Kaps as the best all around magical performer of his day... and the one person that could inherit that title would be John Thompson... if it wasn't for his personality!" Probably the biggest laff was from John himself! Msg #7421 Dated 12:08:23 02-27-91 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: BYE Off to the airport -- again? Later. Msg #7422 Dated 12:11:59 02-27-91 7346 <- From: JEFF BUSBY To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: BIG BROTHER Sure, Burt. The address is 10329 MacArthur Blvd., Suites 5 and 6, Oakland, CA 94605-5147. I'd appreciate it. These guys are TOUGH. On another subject that we've been discussing privately, see what I have to say to David Vanvranken and you'll understand why I want to track this stuff down. Msg #7424 Dated 12:14:41 02-27-91 7388 <--> 7433 From: JEFF BUSBY To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: FARO SHUFFLE Thanks for the blow-by-blow description of what Richard Turner is doing. Actually, when I commented on Charlie's gag, I wasn't talking about exhibition stuff, but a practical use that actually accomplishes something other than what a faro and a Push-Through would usually do. Richard's reasoning is not new. You might enjoy reading over the "Uniformity of Action" section in _The Expert at the Card Table_ (p.22) for Erdnase's thoughts on exactly the same subject. But then, the section on "Display of Ability" is equally germane. I appreciated your comments on Richard Osterlind's "Challenge Magic" video, but at the same time, they upset me. The Tabman may have forgotten because he bought and viewed the tape many moons ago, but in fact the video is not issued with the packaging being a "ragged photocopy glued to a cardboard box". The wrap-around is in fact printed on card stock, and is also in a "plastic sleeve" album, just as you wished it would be. We didn't use color, because we wanted to keep the cost to a decent price, but it is not a thrown together amateurish production such as you described. The tape is labeled with printed labels on both top and side. Also the copies are made from 1" reel-to-reel masters to insure the best reproduction quality. As far as it being an "advance copy" from your dealer? At this time we are not wholesaling the tape. It has been available through us for several months, but direct. So just what is your dealer selling? I don't know, but he didn't get it from us. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to reply to me privately, giving me more details on who this dealer is? Richard is flying in from the East Coast this afternoon for an industrial show I booked. The number of "dealers" who supposedly are stocking this tape is just one of our points of discussion. We've already taken some action, but there may be more to come. Thanks for your interest and I do want to hear from you on this point. Msg #7425 Dated 12:18:41 02-27-91 7378 <--> 7435 From: JEFF BUSBY To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO Thanks for all the info on the Berg/Okito masterpiece that you're auctioning off. Sounds like the check and the way you've done it up will be a conversation starter for any home. Okito did some of his finest work for Berg, and later Redmon. Wouldn't it be great to have that check framed above an Okito/Berg piece? You must be crazy to part with it, Okito lover that you are! Msg #7428 Dated 12:59:09 02-27-91 -> 7459 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: ALL Re: MENTAL BOOKS???? From : Jurrien Luiten To : All Subj : mental magic ---------------------------------------------------------------- I am interest in mental magic and look for mental magic books. Who can give me some titles of magic books specialized on mental magic ? Thank you and greetings from Jur, Den Haag, Holland. Msg #7430 Dated 14:23:00 02-27-91 -> 7443 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: BOOKPLATES? Hi David, Finally got up with the pen and ink man and he's gonna do me two bookplates. I've given him a coupla examples and a few ideas but what he'll do will be mostly up to him. He's pretty good in an old fashioned sorta way, though the BP may come out looking like the logo for a bluegrass band, don't know but will find out in a few weeks. His name is Dave Norris and is sort of famous in a local Cheseapeake Bay sort of way. Could be good, but I'll let U B the judge. What news do you have of Arnaud and the !-NL bbs? I haven't tried to sign on lately. Has he got 1200 baud problems solved yet? Thanks for your offer to take me to the Castle when I come out for Bone Ponys week in Redondo Beach. I'll definately take you up on it. Maybe we could lunch at Castle too on the friday if you have the time. Mid may...week of the 14th. Still watching the mail for news from you or do you still use pony xpress? your friend, the tabman Msg #7431 Dated 15:58:38 02-27-91 -> 7432 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: ALL Re: OTHER BBS'S Does anyone out there know of a BBS for Clown's? After showing my "MR CLOWN" friend the value of such a network he's very interested. Any ideas? Dave Msg #7432 Dated 16:16:04 02-27-91 7431 <--> 7440 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: OTHER BBS'S No, but Wobbles the Clown is on here. By the way, Wobbles your tape will be copied in the morning and finally off to you and off your S** list. Msg #7433 Dated 16:17:00 02-27-91 7424 <--> 7438 From: TABBY CRABB To: JEFF BUSBY (X) Re: FARO SHUFFLE No I didn't forget how it was packaged and thought it was fine. Mine does have an offset printed J card behind plastic and the tape is packaged in a professional box. Perfect and at a good price. I thought David V. might be being a little tough on the packaging. I pulled mine out when I read of his xerox cover complaint etc and just thought since I thought the packaging was ok that maybe I didn't have any class. NOW I GET IT. It is a pirated copy. Seems like I got a flyer from a dealer adv the tape too. Not sure, but I'll go through the stuff and check for you. I had some guys pirate 200 of our cassettes on a bluegrass band. The plant put a call into the bass player here on our 800 number so I returned the call and found out his order (using my masters) had been shipped to the "new" address COD. I promptly had them ship me back the masters and then called them and told them I'd do biz no more (and why). Then I called my attorney who made the call the call to the group. Thats how I ended up with some "free" artwork out of the deal instead of the bucks, plus I'm leaving the area soon and didn't want to have any loose ends from either direction. On another subject...I guess Gen. Schwarzkopf proved he is worthy of being a magician of the highest order through his use of misdirection in Operation Desert Sword. Good news. Keep up the good work. tabman Msg #7435 Dated 18:59:02 02-27-91 7400 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BERG/BAMBERG CHECK AUCTIO Geeez, I had this picture in my mind of him running up and down the street in his boxer shorts not some old longjohns but that makes more sense anyway. Most of the upper and part of the lower. Msg #7438 Dated 22:58:09 02-27-91 7433 <--> 7463 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FARO SHUFFLE Stormin' Norman got you to tabbo...its Desert Storm... Not complaining, just had nothing better to say. You wanna go in on a deal to open a string of discount stores in Baghdad? I think we could call them "TARGET STORES" -- Or (this is mine--- produce a movie with the prisoners called "Dancing with Wolf Blitzer" arrrrgggghhhhhh Msg #7440 Dated 23:03:24 02-27-91 7431 <--> 7444 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: OTHER BBS'S Yes. There is a BBS for Circus, not sure if 100-percent clowns. i dn't have the number but read it in a common compuer mag some time back. If I can find it will log it on. Msg #7443 Dated 1:38:41 02-28-91 7430 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOKPLATES? Looking forward to seeing the bookplates. Always wanted to learn bookbinding as a hobby, but I think I have enough hobbies as it is. Arnaud checked in this evening, so perhaps on his next call he'll see your letter and respond. I have been really, really up to my neck in alligators, so, sorry, package hasn't gone out yet. After this next week it should slow down a bit and by mid-May I should be back to retirement. Msg #7444 Dated 1:40:41 02-28-91 7431 <--> 7445 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: OTHER BBS'S Haven't ever heard of a clown system. Doesn't mean there isn't one though. We have a few clowns who are into magic here on MAGIC!, so there may be the possibility of forming some sort of sub-group. Haven't given it much thought, but I guess we could start a section for clowns. Msg #7445 Dated 1:42:07 02-28-91 7440 <--> 7450 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OTHER BBS'S A Circus BBS would be interesting! Let us know if you find the number, Pete. A lot of those systems come and go though. MAGIC! is coming up on year one and ECANET (our "host") has been going for almost 8 years! Msg #7450 Dated 10:10:15 02-28-91 7445 <--> 7453 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: OTHER BBS'S The Circus BBS is on my dialing menu of the home computer not with me here on el laaptop - - Msg #7451 Dated 11:30:27 02-28-91 -> 7491 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ON THE ROAD Sorry to wake you but Desert Sword is my code name for Desert Storm and thought I'd see if you'd catch it. It has been a great winter on MAGIC!. I guess you California dreamers don't get much taste of the cold, but I could live without it myself. Where are you on the road? Did you make it to Darwin's Wednesday night meeting in Vegas? So you had the Roth book the entire time? That's pretty funny. I've done that a coupla times. What does it mean? I forget. Msg #7453 Dated 12:44:43 02-28-91 7450 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OTHER BBS'S Will look forward to Circus BBS number when you return home. Msg #7455 Dated 13:19:58 02-28-91 -> 7478 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: HELLO Almost gave you a call, but remembered you wern't retired rightnow and were probably out. I'll catch you when you retire again. Later... Msg #7459 Dated 17:14:56 02-28-91 7428 <--> 7461 From: RANDY LUND To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: MENTAL BOOKS???? The Encyclopedic Dictionary of Mentalism compiled by Burling "Volta" Hull and published by Hades Publications of PO Box 476, Calgary, Alberta T2P 2J1 as a three volume notebook set is about the most complete thing I have seen to date. I got mine at Abbotts, address on file with MAGIC!.....Randy Msg #7460 Dated 17:18:12 02-28-91 7360 <- From: BURT CARPENTER To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: VERNONS ADVICE Wasn't it Robert-Houdin that booby trapped his desk with a spring loaded spike that impaled the hand of a theif? The library could become a dangerous place....... Msg #7461 Dated 17:26:06 02-28-91 7459 <--> 7493 From: MAX MAVEN To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: MENTAL BOOKS???? The Hull books are a hodge-podge collection, primarily previously published instruction sheets. Some interesting material, but hardly "complete." Corinda's "Thirteen Steps" is still probably the best single reference work on mentalism. It has a solid structure, a wide range of material, and most of it holds up well. Annemann's "Practical Mental Effects" contains some excellent material, too, although a lot of it is now somewhat dated. Msg #7463 Dated 19:24:11 02-28-91 7433 <- From: JEFF BUSBY To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FARO SHUFFLE Well, tabster, you do have the real thing. It's such a shame that this kind of stuff goes on. You'd think they would pay the small price to sleep a bit better at night, but they don't. My attitude is this: If I read it, I pay for it. A few times back in the 1970s, guys mailed unsolicited photocopies of manuscripts to me. If I read them -- even if I hated the book -- I sent out a check to the publisher. Oh, how I hated sending Korem $50.00 for his Upside-Down Topit when a photocopy came in an unmarked envelope. But, that's the way it goes. But the easy duplication of videos sure does make you think twice about even bothering with another. If you can help me with that dealer's flyer, I'd sure appreciate it. The only ones who have legit copies now, that bought them from me are Al's Magic Shop in D.C. and Hank Lee. Osterlind says, "Hi" and thanks you for getting the real McCoy. Great guy, a very strong performer who is killing them at this business show today and tomorrow. Look for more of his stuff soon. Msg #7467 Dated 21:34:50 02-28-91 6733 <--> 7494 From: SCOTT CRAM To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC/WAR This reply may be too late, but here are the upcoming meetings happening AFTER Feb 28: SAM Assembly #112 Willow Creek Center 1026 Mohr Lane, Concord , CA Meeting: March 13Wednesday, March 13 - 7:15 to 10:00 Oakland Magic Circle Bjornson Hall 2258 MacArthur Blvd, Oakland, CA Meeting: Tuesday, March 12 - 8:00 - ? This meeting features a lecture by Warren Stephens All times are PM (Whoops!). I'm sorry for replying late (Too late?), but i've gotten a second job, and just got my first chance in several weeks to go on-line. The SAM meeting is a closed meeting, the theme being "Show and Tell", but i'm sure they'd let you in. The O.M.C. lecture (technically, it's not a meeting) is $6.50 to attend if you are not a member of the O.M.C. Again, sorry about the lateness of the info. Msg #7468 Dated 21:45:41 02-28-91 7002 <--> 7482 From: SCOTT CRAM To: BEN POLONOWSKI Re: NEW Hi Ben! My name is Scott Cram, and I live in Walnut Creek, CA. You sure picked the right hobby! How many sixth graders have a direct line to magicians all over the U.S.? Not many I'll bet! Hope you enjoy MAGIC!, and just think, you have a direct line to professional performers like Max Maven, Pete Biro, etc. etc., plus much help from your fellow amatuers (like me!). By the way, keep your eyes peeled for David Copperfield's next special on April 9th on CBS! It's supposed to be great this year! Msg #7470 Dated 22:01:50 02-28-91 -> 7495 From: SCOTT CRAM To: ALL Re: WALNUT CREEK Watch out Los Angeles! Walnut Creek (Where?) California seems to be gaining as a center of magic! Besides my living there (one of the world's most amateur magicians, ha ha), Pete Biro apparently moved up here. And on a Disney magic special some time ago, featuring Markie Post of NIGHT COURT, stated she came from here. So, how soon can we expect to see the Magic Castle moved up here? Little joke. Apparently, Pete Biro has moved to Walnut Creek. Welcome Pete, uh, Mr. Biro. Msg #7472 Dated 22:26:57 02-28-91 7347 <- From: SCOTT CRAM To: DENNIS PIERCE (X) Re: COPPERFIELD'S SPECIAL April 9th, 1991. On CBS, as usual. Msg #7474 Dated 22:36:38 02-28-91 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: DARRELL MURPHY (X) Re: JUST ASKING Darrell, Are you out there? Any known changes for the Ring 21 meeting or am I correct that it will be on the 7th of March? I just wanted to make plans to be there and was wondering. Thanks Doug Msg #7475 Dated 23:34:37 02-28-91 From: T A WATERS To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: SJ GENII I picked up the copy of Genii you left for me, Dante; thanks. It looks excellent, and I think this issue is going to very quickly become a collector's item. I think Max Maven did a great job of putting the material together, and the magazine as a whole is looking good. Msg #7478 Dated 2:21:16 03-01-91 7455 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: HELLO Believe me, I'm looking forward to at least a short bit (but NOT too long) of retirement. Have had 5.5 hours sleep since Monday. Need to make it through another week at about this pace. Meanwhile, the grand, the glorious news out here is that it is RAINING! Lots and lots of rain! Won't be enough to solve all of our problems, but it is a spectacular joke on the water resources people. Seems everytime they announce a new cutback/quota it rains. Personally, I think we should get 'em all in a television studio and make 'em do a raindance. Thanks for thinking of me, Tabman. Msg #7479 Dated 2:30:11 03-01-91 -> 7490 From: DAVE MAGNENAT To: ALL Re: WABBITS Okay, fellahs, I need some advice. Wifey-Poo wants to get a "cute little miniature lop eared rabbit" for our anniversary (no, there's no deep symbolism here, so get ya minds outta da gutter...you too, Biro!). I've ABOUT decided it's okay, but only if I can use it in my act. For those of you new here, I'm Wobbles the Magical Clown (no symbolism there, either, chaps). I've never done ANYTHING with wildlife before except date the Kopinski twins in high school. Any ideas, suggestions, etc would be extremely gratefully accepted! What's the best way to use said beast in a clown act? Is a dove pan a good buy? I don't have tons of bucks to spend (who does? Besides Tabby, I mean (g)). How about an animal hypnosis act? Do bunnies smell bad, chew furniture, pee all over everything? (Like my first wife?) HHHHHHH EEEEEEE LLLLLLL PPPPPPPP !!!!!!! Thanks, magical dudes Wobbles the Magical Clown DAVE MAGNENAT Msg #7481 Dated 2:37:17 03-01-91 From: ANTHONY BLAKE To: ALL Re: COPYCATS... Dunno...maybe I have too much time on my hands lately or something, but watching TV tonight I saw a spot for Canon Copiers with Harry Anderson. It should be playing nationally. In it Harry, in his usuall dress, shows all the finer points of the copier and in the end makes a copier disappear under a cloth (at least by the form we think it is a copier). Pretty good spot. Wonder if the effects were done by Franz Harrary who did the magic for the spots that Harry did for Krogers Supermarkets a couple of years ago. THE GEEKMAN! Msg #7482 Dated 2:39:22 03-01-91 7468 <--> 7505 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: SCOTT CRAM (X) Re: NEW Thanks for the date for the Copperfield special. Rumor has it that MAGIC! members should keep their eyes peeled for a variant on the "Card on Airplane Window" that was discussed here on MAGIC! around November/December. Msg #7485 Dated 3:09:06 03-01-91 -> 7524 From: DAVE MAGNENAT To: ALL Re: GENERAL Dave Van...... Hiya! I'm Wobbles The Magical Clown. I don't know of any purely clown boards (or even any subsections) but if your friend wants to get online I'm sure we can come up with something, as our great and fearless leader suggested. ******* Tabby: That's good news. Thanks again very much. You were never on any BAD list, by the way. I know that, er...defecation occurs, eh? I'm looking forward to receiving them. ************* Mr. Lichtman, SIR! A whole YEAR already? Holy Moley! I'm impressed! Say, whatever happened to the button contest thing? I've been absent for a bit so I've no doubt missed the glorious conclusion. Also, has anyopne thought about collecting all the nifty trickls and tips that have come about here on MAGIC! and compiling them into a sort of brochure type thing? MY IDEA FIRST!! Might be interesting...the unabridged thoughts of Pete Biro half asleep from the IBM convention, Fred Kaps letters, Max's meticulous metaphors, along with the occasional flash of wisdom from the assemblage. Just a thought, and since I don't have them very often I thought I'd share this one with you all. Dave "Wobbles" magnenat Msg #7486 Dated 3:50:02 03-01-91 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NL STILL ALIVE... Tabman, . MAGIC!-NL is slowly growing, and also 1200bps is working fine again so you are invited to give it a try. Tommy Wonder recently joined the BBS, and you can expect (I hope) some of his contributions soon. . Bye Arnaud..... Msg #7487 Dated 3:50:54 03-01-91 -> 7497 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: ALL Re: VEGAS SEMINAR CANCELLED?? Can someone tell me what's true about the rumor this year's Vegas seminar has been cancelled. I heard this yesterday here in Holland. . Arnaud Msg #7488 Dated 5:51:40 03-01-91 -> 7489 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VISIT Got 'em Tabby. Will see you on Sunday. Oh, it turns out my flight gets in about 2:00, so I'll be about 2 hours early. Of course, it'll probably take me that long to get out of the airport! Charlie Msg #7489 Dated 6:42:07 03-01-91 7488 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: CHARLIE RANDALL Re: VISIT Great, see you Sunday afternoon. Have a good one. Better wear some jeans when you visit Springhill. Msg #7490 Dated 6:43:40 03-01-91 7479 <--> 7532 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVE MAGNENAT Re: WABBITS Wobbles, My son Rob had a Giant Polish Lop named Mr. Pellets. He did an act with Mr. Pellets when he was in Jr. High School. We got Pellets when he was quite young and conditioned him to stay quietly behing the gimmik of a dagger type box which was built large enough to handle a 20 lb rabit. He used the box to produce Pellets as his finale with a silk hankie tied around his neck which had been vanished earlier in the show. Get the rabbit young and handle him/her (better get a him) everyday. Be sure if you keep him/her in a production box that there are plenty of airholes and don't give too much water just before a show. Pellets would hop from the box, sit up on his haunches and paw the air. Quite cute. Walter Blaney used to have a giant white rabbit he used (though I can't remember the rabits name) to get himself lots of publicity down in Texas. Met a magician in Mississippi who had a cat who would paw a card from a deck and keep it under his foot. Pretty neat BTW, my video guy said the tape should be ready today so should be sending it out soon. tabman Msg #7491 Dated 9:13:05 03-01-91 7451 <--> 7520 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ON THE ROAD Am in L.V. and it is raining -- so am holed up with the manager from Akron (Goodyear) that I work with/for, etc. teaching him some computer stuff. I have as you all know a Killer laptop NEC Ultralite that I bought on sale for a little over $2,000 figuring the list of $3000 made it a GOOD deal. Wrong. DAK CATALOG CAME TODAY WITH NEC ULTRALITES AT A BARGAIN $699 (OK they have come out with newer model but this version works great.) Msg #7493 Dated 9:16:28 03-01-91 7461 <--> 7540 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: MENTAL BOOKS???? Al Koran's works are great starting points as well. Msg #7494 Dated 9:18:12 03-01-91 7467 <- From: PETE BIRO To: SCOTT CRAM (X) Re: MAGIC/WAR Thanks much. I am a life member of OMC and not sure if I am in town for the SAM meeting. Will be getting back active soon. Msg #7495 Dated 9:19:39 03-01-91 7470 <- From: PETE BIRO To: SCOTT CRAM (X) Re: WALNUT CREEK Knock off the formal stuff. It is Your Majesty, not Mr. Msg #7497 Dated 9:23:13 03-01-91 7487 <--> 7525 From: PETE BIRO To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: VEGAS SEMINAR CANCELLED?? NO NO NO NOTHING IS CANCELLED.... COME TO VEGAS.... MAGIC! ANNIVERSARY AND KILLER CONTEST ACTS.... ALL SET TO GO 100-PERCENT... BE HERE Msg #7498 Dated 9:24:04 03-01-91 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: SEMINAR Don't know where the cancelled rumor got started, but 'taint so. Msg #7499 Dated 9:39:44 03-01-91 -> 7515 From: JIM HOY To: ALL Re: VEST SERVANTE? I just got a new gimic and it works so well, I just had to tell someone about it! The gimic is called a "Vest Servante," I think. Old ever-lovin' threw out the box so I am not sure. It's made by Norm Nielson. It is made to wear behind a cummerbund and you can ditch small objects into it. Used it doing table hopping last night 10 ir 15 times and it is great! Mostly I ditched coins into it, but 4 or 5 times I dropped a minature deck into it. (I'll come back to that later). It is not a toppit by any means, but oh, is it sweet and easy to use. Here are its advantages, from my point of view: 1. It is very easy to use. 2. It is practically indetectable. 3. You don't have to rip up your coat and can transfer it easily. Here are the disadvantages, from my point of view: You must be wearing a cummerbund. You cannot retrieve from it. You can only ditch small objects. But the action of using it is so natural and easy. You don't run the risk of telegraphing your move, as I have seen some of the most experienced toppit users do. Here's a kicker for those of you who do the invisible deck with a minature deck of cards: You have finished the trick as far as your audience is concerned. You put the deck back into the box and make a fake transfer of it from one hand to the other. Say to a younger or an older (I usually use an older person), "Here, take this home to the kids." She'll reply, something like, "I don't have any kids." You say with a smile, "That's O.K. You don't have any cards either." Drop the deck into your servante as you open the other hand. Thanks for listening! (reading?) ---END OF MAGIC-15.TXT---
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