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Msg #7500 Dated 9:59:47 03-01-91 -> 7504
From: JIM HOY
To: ALL
Re: TROUBLE WIT
If anybody does Trouble Wit, or is planning to, here's a way to at
least quadruple the life of the thing. I got it from a Frank Herman
book (Magic, Inc.) Before you use it, spread it out on a flat surface
and give it two coats of acrylic sealer on both sides. This makes it
almost moisture proof. Then get a ball of 1" invisible tape and put the
tape all around the free edges and bend it over. This prevents tearing
it. Then, with it still flat, put a short piece of tape across each of
the small creases where you will fold and unfold it. It seems to take
forever, but I have found the time spent very worthwhile. It will last
indefinitely. Oh yes, put two layers of tape over the short creases
near rhe free edges, where it always wears out first.
It takes at least two trouble wits, reinforced as above to master
any routine you dream up and that can get expensive. You can buy them
wholesale from:
Mr. Jim Reilly
16 Lugton St.
Hamilton, 2001,
New Zealand
I think he is the only person in the world making the darn things, as
he supplies Abbotts, Tannens and Magic, Inc.
Thought you might be interested. It's a great stunt and while not
strictly magical, showcases your personality well. I use it table
hopping.
Msg #7501 Dated 10:11:06 03-01-91 -> 7516
From: JIM HOY
To: ALL
Re: PLATFORM TRICKS CLOSE UP.
One of my pet peeves about close-up magic is that so darn many of them
involve cards and coins. Now, I don't have anything at all against
card/coin tricks. I couldn't work if I did...but I like to include as
much variety as I can in the tricks I do. Therefore, I am always on the
lookout for tricks that can be done close up that don't involve cards
or coins. I think I have just about exhausted the usual close up
effects (chop cup, sponge tricks, gypsy thread etc.) so I am now also
looking for tricks that are traditionally platform type effects but
which can be done close up, like Trouble wit, prof. Nightmare etc. Do
any of you have similar opinions and do you have any suggestions for
tricks that can be done close up that do not require cards or coins???
Msg #7502 Dated 10:22:25 03-01-91 -> 7518
From: JIM HOY
To: ALL
Re: MURRAY BODY SERVANTE
A few messages ago, I ranted on about a "Vest Servante." I checked with
my dealer and the correct name is "Murray Body Servante." The
instructions say that you can wear it beneath your vest or inside your
trousers, but I haven't tried that. The instructions also say that you
can steal from ot too, by attaching a thumb hook of some sort, but I
haven't tried that either. However, if you want to ditch coins or a
small deck of cards, I'm here to tell you it's great! BTW, it's
described in Hoffman's "Later Magic," but the Murray/Nielson model is
greatly improved over the original, I think.
Msg #7504 Dated 17:45:15 03-01-91 7500 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: TROUBLE WIT
I have about six T Wits left I got years ago from Tan Hock Chuan and
they are fabulous.
Msg #7505 Dated 18:07:55 03-01-91 7468 <--> 7527
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: NEW
You're welcome. If I neglected to mention the time, it's at 8:00 PM.
Msg #7507 Dated 18:13:57 03-01-91 -> 7528
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: NOTES FROM EVERYWHERE
This message is a mishmash of magic info, so read it all the way
through, you might find some interesting info in it.
In the local paper (Contra Costa Times, in Walnut Creek, CA), one of
the local columnists, Gary Bogue (author of "ISIS"), got a letter about
a leghorn chicken that laid a 7.5 pound egg, and the person writing
wanted to know how this happened. Gary explained that the first egg
must not have left the ovaduct soon enough, and a second egg formed
around it. I know, I know, what does this have to do with magic? Well,
according to Gary Bogue, magicians have used this chicken trait "since
before Houdini" to put unusual objects in eggs (i.e., rings, coins,
etc..). Does anybody know of any magicians that have used this fact in
their illusions? If you want to write to this guy his address is Gary
Bogue, c/o The Contra Costa Times, PO Box 5088, Walnut Creek, CA 94596.
Did anybody catch Morton Downey Jr. on CNBC during the week of Feb.
17-23? Blackstone was a guest in the second half of the show. The show
was a repeat from, I THINK, Nov. 90. Blackstone performed the vanishing
bird cage (No, really!), Selected-Card-Name-Found-In-Matchbook (Got a
better name?), $1 to $20 Bill Switch, and the Brainwave Deck effect.
All of the effects were well performed, but there was one shot during
the Bill Switch where the camera was aimed right toward his thumb tip.
I wonder if any laymen saw the tip?
Here's a short, neat little effect I created (and PRESUME to be
original) over the weekend. The 2 of clubs is shown on the top of the
deck, the magician then rolls the 2C into a tube. With a wave of the
hand, two "clubs" roll out of the tube. The card is then unrolled and
shown to be blank! To set up the deck, have a blank face card with a
back that matches the rest of the deck, on top of the deck, and the 2C
as the second card. Now for the "Clubs": Pop some popcorn, the spray
paint 2 popped kernals black. Place these kernals in your thumb tip,
and you're almost ready. Set the deck of cards in your pocket, with the
thumb sitting by the bottom card of the deck. Take the Thumb Tip out
when you take out the deck, and keep it hidden. Do a double lift to
show the 2C on top, then place both cards back on the deck, and set the
top(blank) card aside. When you set the deck down, it is a perfect
opportunity to get the thumb tip from under the deck. Then roll up the
blank card around the thumb tip, say the magic words, and presto! Pour
out your two clubs. You of course can use any card for this, as long as
there is something representative in the thumb tip. You could force the
2C, bring it to the top, palm a blank face om top of it, and perform
the effect. You could also produce a card silk, if you desire to do
this trick with picture cards.
Last, but not least, would somebody tell me about the effect M.C>
Hammer performed on the Grammys? I don't just mean what he did, but
how the stage was, and when whatever happened happened? I take a breath
now.. --Scott
Msg #7508 Dated 18:57:08 03-01-91 -> 7512
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HELLO
Most comedy magic [that i`ve seen] I dont care for, not that it`s ment
for the Drunks but that I see a lot of exposhers (you got a spell check
on this thing?) for the sake of a laugh. But then again I`ve seen some
good ones too.....
Msg #7512 Dated 19:04:20 03-01-91 -> 7529
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELLO
Ya but I like the word Magician, I`d like to see use not have to hide
what we do.....like the word TRICK some magicians dont use that word
thay say EFFECT...But for a laymen,nomater what you do to them it`s a
Trick. Somewhere down the line we got a bad rap.
Msg #7513 Dated 20:06:37 03-01-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RAMBLINGS...
Yeah, he's a really nice guy. He was supposed to have lunch with us
today at our regular Castle group in the Houdini room, but he wasn't
feeling well. Hope he's okay and will perform the rest of the week in
the early slot in the Closeup Gallery. Anyone who can physically get
there and doesn't could very well be declared legally insane!
And, speaking of legally insane, Jonathan Winters joined us for lunch
today...he's as lovably nuts as ever! He sez his new book is finished
and should be published soon. Tentative title: "In Search of the
Playground." Perfect!
Msg #7515 Dated 20:23:37 03-01-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: VEST SERVANTE?
It's called a "MURRAY BODY SERVANTE" and it's put out by Norm Nielson
and available from Joe Stevens. You really don't have to use it with
a cumberbun, although it's probably best that way. It IS very workable
under the waistband of your trousers.
Msg #7516 Dated 20:30:38 03-01-91 7501 <--> 7517
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: PLATFORM TRICKS CLOSE UP.
How about paper currency....lots of great stuff published.
How about thimbles....(though I HATE every thimble routine I've ever
seen, including Johnny Ace Palmer's---the ablsolute LOWPOINT of his
close-up act).
How about cigarettes...(or, if you're a non-smoker, pencils). Another
TON of material available on that alone.
Msg #7517 Dated 20:36:53 03-01-91 7501 <--> 7521
From: STAN LAKE
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: PLATFORM TRICKS CLOSE UP.
I like doing Chink-a-chink with rolled up balls of foil from pats of
butter at the dinner table. Just about any small objects can be used.
I know of one guy who uses electrical wirenuts!
Msg #7518 Dated 20:36:57 03-01-91 7502 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: MURRAY BODY SERVANTE
You're having a rhetorical CONVERSATION here, Jim! Your answer to your
own question is correct but does render MY reply to your original
question about as useless as this reply to YOUR reply!!!
(I'm beginning to confuse MYSELF here!)
Msg #7519 Dated 20:39:33 03-01-91 -> 7576
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
I looked up the Dukes Dyeversion trick in Abbot's catalog and I was a
little surprised to see it cost $125. That seems to be a bit much for
one effect. Is it really THAT good? I have a budget of around $250 to
buy some more effects and that would be half of the budget right there!
I was thinking about getting the bottle routine with the two tubes and
the black cherry soda bottles as I have seen David Ginn perform. I
still don't have a good opener yet either. Come to think of it, all
I need is a good opener, a good closer and some good stuff in the
middle. Other than that, everythings fine!
Msg #7520 Dated 20:54:04 03-01-91 -> 7577
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ON THE ROAD
Hey...Birosan. I had been meaning to ask you what that killer
laptop you had up at the hotel in baltimore. NEC. Guess the DAK
catalog will be in here soon. No money til we sell house, etc,
but an making a list. What is that telephone that talks to you
when you call "Phone" your house? I like that. Much bettern have
2 lines like here. I must make a note to look into it for the new
digs in Tennessee. Did you know Obie O'Brien had been smacked in
the face by a hockey puck? Ray Mertz was telling me this evening
before he went over to the Forks to work. They're having Doc
Eason do the Wednesday night lecture at 4F this year. Doc is
getting very popular in the NE I guess. I know I'm a fan and wil
go up a day early to hang out with Doc some you can bet. Also a
Biro fan and am coming to Lost Wages just to enjoy breakfast with
ya'll. Should I bring my own grits or do they serve them in So.
Nevada?....the tabman..
Msg #7521 Dated 21:14:42 03-01-91 7501 <--> 7575
From: JIM SISTI
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: PLATFORM TRICKS CLOSE UP.
I noticed that you mentioned you do some table hopping. I publish a
bi-monthly magazine for restaurant and bar magicians called "The Magic
Menu." It's filled with original magic, performance phiosophy pieces
and reviews of the latest books and tricks for walk-around performers.
The newest issue features an interview with Eugene Burger and several
tricks that are non-card and coin items. Subscriptions are $15.00
yearly for six issues. Several MAGIC! contributors are subscribers,
including Tabby Crabb. If you're interested, leave me a message.
We're up to issue #4...I can cut you some slack on the three back
issues, too. Individual issues are $4.00 each.
Msg #7523 Dated 22:56:17 03-01-91 -> 7536
From: JIM SISTI
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Perhaps you missed my last message. I was hoping to publish a
brief piece on Heba Haba Al in my restaurant/bar magic
publication and thought you might have some background
information on him. There was no mention of him in your
encyclopedia, but I thought you might still be able to help.
Thanks in advance!
Msg #7524 Dated 23:15:27 03-01-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: GENERAL
Almost a year, "Wobbles." The program at Desert Magic in a couple of
weeks will be the official first anniversary.
Yeah, you musta missed the contest results - They were posted. The
winning button was one from Jonathan Kufthal and read "818 896-7450
MEANS MAGIC!" The lowest numbers in a SIGNED AND NUMBERED EDTION were:
#1 - Jonathan, #2 - Sysop, #3 - Pete Biro, #4 - Tabby Crabb (Pete and
Tabby are the MAGIC! Advisory Board Members), #5 thru something are
reserved, along with a handsome certificate (Yeah, they will be mailed
soon!), for charter contributors ($$$ - and there is still time to make
a charter contribution), the next set of numbers (it is late and I'm
too tired to look up the numbers, hope you will forgive me) went to the
fortunate few who attended the First MAGIC! Luncheon at the Magic
Castle, and the last of the special series will go to MAGIC! Members
attending the Anniversary Get-Together at Desert Magic. After that,
the remaining (non-limited) buttons will be available to MAGIC!
Members, memorabilia collectors, and the general public.
A "Best of MAGIC!" is a GREAT IDEA and you are one of the first to
suggest it. But not exactly the first. A preliminary plan for its
publication is being put together and we would welcome suggestions from
everyone on how to make it great (and on how to sell it, etc.).
Profits would go to MAGIC!
Msg #7525 Dated 23:25:25 03-01-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VEGAS SEMINAR CANCELLED??
No way, Arnaud! Desert Magic is ON and MAGIC!'s First Anniversary is
on. It is gonna be great, so hop a jet and join the fun!
Msg #7527 Dated 23:38:56 03-01-91 7505 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: NEW
Great! Now all I gotta do is remember to program the VCR!
Msg #7528 Dated 23:43:38 03-01-91 7507 <--> 7550
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: NOTES FROM EVERYWHERE
Scott - that 2 of Clubs is GREAT! The popcorn is easy to get. But
around here now, by law, to buy spraypaint you have to show ID and they
have to get it for you from a locked case (seriously!).
Msg #7529 Dated 23:45:15 03-01-91 7508 <--> 7533
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SKIP SANSOUCIE (X)
Re: HELLO
Oh, there is some good comedy out there. But I'm not sure that comedy
and magic can really work together. The good ones seem to be good
comedy with some magic. I think that the entertainment value of comedy
and that of magic spring from almost opposite sources.
Msg #7531 Dated 23:47:15 03-01-91 -> 7579
From: JOHN JOLLY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOWDY
Pete, couple of questions:
What do you know of a program on Showtime this month titled "Magic
Moments" it appears to be a movie of some sort. Mar 7 is the first
broadcast date here in the midwest.
2. Were you at the Wichita gettogether about 78 or so when Fred Kaps,
Max, Larry Jennings, Marvyn and Carol, and others attended? Ive got
recollections of a card trick that Fred did that blew everyone away.
If you were -'nt there, maybe Max can help me.
3. Hey, looks like the war may be over and I can go home. Problem is
that I'm in Air Transport and we will likely be busy till all the stuff
gets shipped back here (always takes longer to put the toys away than
to get them out). Encouraging though!
Well I'm off to read this monster chunk of message base offline, see ya
later.
jj
...............................!poof!
Msg #7532 Dated 23:13:14 03-01-91 -> 7535
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVE MAGNENAT (X)
Re: WABBITS
Ah yes, bunnies. Miniature lop-eared, eh? I may be wrong here, but I
can't recall ever seeing a small lop-ear that didn't grow to about
15-20 pounds. Better make that a BIG dove pan!
Buns, my furry show-stealer, is a dwarf Polish topping the scales at
under 5 pounds. He was the runt of the litter. Check with your local
pet shop/rabbit expert, as I'd advise getting as small a rabbit as
possible. Not that I have anything against more, uh, VISIBLE rabbits,
but you'll have a hard time buying any livestock effects that they'll
FIT in.
Yes, rabbits do chew. Yes, their cages DO smell, necessitating daily
clean-up. Rabbit urine has a rather pungent odor. And they just love
to spray it all over their cage, often, I'm sure, with the intent of
seeing just how far they can get it to go! I've heard of rabbits that
were litter-box trained, but after giving Buns the run of the house,
the only place he DIDN'T wee-wee was in the litter-box. I've managed
to compensate for the aroma problem and ease of changing thusly: Buns'
cage is one of the typical wire small animal cages with a slide out
catch pan underneath the floor of the cage. I used to line the pan
with newspaper, but the galvanized steel was starting to corrode due to
the acidity and/or salinity of the urine. So now, I plop the whole pan
inside of a 35 gallon plastic trash bag, then fill the pan with that
fresh-step kitty litter with the green deodorizer chunks in it. When
changing time comes, I pull out the pan, and pull the top edges of the
bag back over the pan (thus turning the bag inside out) and the kitty
litter and associated icky-stuff are now safely inside the bag, ready
for disposal. (Hmm, pet care with the anal-retentive magician?)
As for effects... Produce 'em, kids pet 'em, then later you vanish
'em. Balloon to bunny box, dove pan (big dove pan?) livestock bag, and
production from assorted scraps of brightly colored rags. If you
produce 'em fast (speaking kid-shows here) you'll LOSE the
entertainment value obtained by drawing out the production.
Personally, I have Buns in a mirror box (lift lid, and mirror falls
down revealing bunny) and tell the kids I've brought my magical rabbit
Buns, with me to the show, and here he is. I display the box and the
kids are quick to tell me that there isn't a rabbit in the box.
Without looking INTO the box, I argue with them that of COURSE there's
a rabbit in this box, Buns lives in here, where else would he be?
Kids yell. More by-play ending with me looking into the box (from the
front) and discovering that Buns is missing. More laughs as I set the
box down, and begin frantically running around in the audience, lifting
a kid here and looking underneath them, lifting an arm here. Oh my,
Buns has run away! Sadly, I return to the box, telling the children
that I'm really sorry Buns is missing. I cover the box with a large
silk, and as soon as the front of the box is hidden from view, I lift
the lid dropping bunny into the box proper. Standing behind the box,
I pull the silk back until the edge of the silk reaches the bottom of
the front box opening. Not enough for them to see into the box, but
enough so that Buns will stick his nose out from under it. When the
kids see this, they explode! I continue on as if nothing happened,
still apologizing for the missing rabbit. Then, absent-mindedly, I
continue to pull the silk back a little more, fully revealing the
rabbit within the box. The kids are going nuts trying to tell me that
the rabbit IS in the box. I drag this out until the kids are at fever
pitch, then finally I realize what all the yelling is about, and look
into the box. When I see Buns in the box, I scream loudly, and jump
back as far as I can. More laughter.
Get the idea? Take a 10 second production, and turn it into 5 minutes
of pure entertainment.
Msg #7533 Dated 0:11:54 03-02-91 7529 <--> 7546
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HELLO
Your statement is curious. I think that magic and comedy share the same
source.
Msg #7535 Dated 0:07:29 03-02-91 7532 <--> 7545
From: RICHARD HART
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WABBITS
If at all possible (intimate settings, b-day parties, etc.) let the
children PET the rabbit. Don't let them HOLD it--too much danger of
them dropping it, being soiled by it, or (heaven forbid!)
scratched/bitten by it. I have a thick plastic top hat that came with
a magic set (I think Toys 'R Us carries them) that I plop Buns into and
carry IT around so the kids can pet the bunny. The hat keeps Buns
secured, eliminates soiling dangers, and is easier to hang on to when
being mobbed by scores of hands... You'd be surprised at the number of
children that have never petted a bunny these days...
I also don't vanish Buns. The two doves I use, do get vanished in a
nite club take-apart dove vanish, but the rabbit stays with me. He
waves good-bye to the children as I make my exit.
Anything else? Yes, don't ever buy a GUINEA PIG, but that's another
story...
Msg #7536 Dated 0:15:30 03-02-91 7523 <--> 7538
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Heba Haba. Real name: Al Andrucci. ("Heba Haba" was his pet magic word,
like "abracadabra" -- it became his trademark, and eventually his name.
He came from Pittsburgh, moved to Chicago in the 1930's. Primary
inspiration was Matt Schulien. He performed as a magic bartender in a
number of different establishments, including his own bar at the Rogers
Park Hotel in the years following the end of World War II. Probably his
longest stint was at the New York Lounge, which (until it closed a few
years ago) was located down the street from Magic, Inc. After that, Al
continued to perform a couple of nights a week at Schulien's
restaurant. His magic was fast-paced and very funny. As with many bar
magicians, his work was often risque, but delivered with an impish
charm that allowed him tremendous license. His best signature trick was
based on the sugar cube trick found in most beginner's magic books (in
which a pencilled-on initial magically transfers to the spectator's
palm), but Al took it in extraordinary directions. He died of a heart
attack; he was 77.
Msg #7538 Dated 3:40:58 03-02-91 7523 <--> 7556
From: T A WATERS
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Max Maven has answered your query about Heba Haba Al much better than
I could have.
Msg #7540 Dated 5:24:33 03-02-91 -> 8089
From: RANDY LUND
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MENTAL BOOKS????
In general I agree, but 1) they are good complete overview of the types
of effects a mentalist does, 2) I agree some effects are much better
than others but there are a number in there that are quite good and
convincing and easy to do (you do have to sift thru the lower quality
effects to find them) 3) I have yet to see a book that is a compondium
of tricks have 100% winners (Focus excepted possibly).
.
Based on your recommnendation I will get Corinda's book as well. Based
on what I have read and seen on TV and live (including your video)
mentalist magic requires even more showmanship than "conventional"
magic. The visual portion is signifigantly reduced and the performer
will recieve no help from a flash or colorfull production etc. hence
the performer must do more. That is not to say another type of
magician should do less, just the mentalist will get little or no help
from a flashy trick supplied by someone else.
Msg #7541 Dated 7:42:43 03-02-91 -> 7552
From: JIM HOY
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: "THE MAGIC MENU"
As the saying goes, "The check is in the mail!" Earlier this week, I
sent you a check for all the back issues of "The Magic Menu." You
should get it about the time you read this, provided our crack postal
service has not lost it.
Msg #7542 Dated 9:46:39 03-02-91 -> 7554
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: ALL
Re: LOOKING FOR BOOK
One of the Assembly 206 members (Jack Yardley) wanted me to post a note
asking anyone if they (1) know where the following book can be
purchased, or (2) have a copy that they would sell (and if so at what
price). The book is "THE ANATOMY OF MISDIRECTION" by Joseph Bruno,
published about 1978. He did not know the publisher or any other
details. If anyone has one for sale or can direct us to a place to
obtain one it would be appreciated.
Msg #7543 Dated 9:50:19 03-02-91 -> 7647
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
Is there still a MAGIC! luncheon at the Castle on Fridays, or was it
just for the times that a notice was posted here? The S.A.M. Council
meeting is in LA next weekend (March 7 - 9) and Kent Cummins and myself
will be in LA for weekend. Also Michael Ammar will be there for the
Awards Banquet. Although the SAM meeting starts at 1 PM Friday,
if there is going to be a group of MAGIC! users at Castle we would
be interested in attending the luncheon group to meet in person some of
the names we are used to seeing on the board. (I will be leaving early
Thursday morning, believe Mike (and Hanna) will be taking Thursday
mid-day flight and Kent Cummins real early Friday flight.....we should
all be there for an early 11:30ish) lunch.
Msg #7544 Dated 10:51:07 03-02-91 -> 7580
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: TRICK CHICKS
I'd like to float a question into the ether out there for discussion.
This is by no means an original thought, but it's one that's been
plaguing me, and I would love to know everyone's thoughts.
This is the question:
.
Ready?
.
Why are there so few female magicians?
.
I suspect the answer is neither so simple, nor as complicated as many
people's first guess.
.
Let me know your thoughts.
Msg #7545 Dated 11:00:41 03-02-91 7535 <--> 7558
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WABBITS
Really good stuff there, Richard. I agree about not vanishing the
bunny. After all, the kids don't want their new friend to disappear.
Msg #7546 Dated 11:02:56 03-02-91 7533 <--> 7561
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HELLO
I think that at a primitive level comedy and magic fulfill two
different needs. The fusion of the two is not created by the audience,
it is created by the comedian or the magician. When "comedy magic" is
created it is always a compromise between these two forms. And the
comedy always has to predominate. Have you ever seen a "comedy magic"
act in which the magic predominated?
Msg #7548 Dated 12:33:28 03-02-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: HEADLESS WOMAN
The cover shot on last weeks Amusement Business Magazine
of the midway at the So. Fla Fair and Expo has magic right in the
middle of the tabloid sized page. THE HEADLESS WOMAN "an
amazingly real illusion", "see her beautiful body without a
head", "still living and breathing inside" has a pretty good line
of people going inside at 25 cents a pop. This idea (and probably
the presentation of same) has been around for decades.
Houdini was a sideshow performer, as the story goes,
before that fateful day when a dogeared copy of Robert-Houdin's
MEMOIRS fell into his young hands. I fear this book isn't as
widely read today as during Carl Jones heyday when this great
publisher reprinted several of the excellent older books. I know
there was a Dover reprint available called "King of the
Conjurers" but it too is out of print.
Dover still reprints quite a few of the great books of
magic such as Annemann's CARD MAGIC, PRACTICAL MENTAL MAGIC;
Downs', THE ART OF MAGIC; Bobo's, MODERN COIN MAGIC; Hoffmann's,
MODERN MAGIC; Hofzinser's, CARD CONJURING; etc. You can get their
catalog by calling 516-294-7000 or checking with your favorite
magic book dealer, though these books are priced so low that it
almost isn't worth a dealers time to carry them. Jeff Busby was
kind enough to supply me with the Hofzinser card book for around
five dollars last year.
Annemann's card magic book has a number of excellent
effects that you don't see everyday (and some you do under
different guises by other writers).
Glad to hear that Ray Mertz will be writing a regular
column in MAGIC MENU starting next issue. Ray is an excellent bar
and close-up magician who works a lot at the Forks Hotel plus
trade shows, lectures, etc. Ray told me that he started Harrison
Carroll on his path to being a magician. He wishes he'd gotten
Harrison to promise to pay him a commission on all the trade
shows he works now as Harrison is one of the top workers in this
field. Ray said he wouldn't have to work nearly so hard and could
retire on his 15%.
Msg #7549 Dated 12:35:05 03-02-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WOBBLES
Re: VIDEO
In the mail today. Whew.
Msg #7550 Dated 12:47:59 03-02-91 7507 <--> 7570
From: EVAN KATZ
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: NOTES FROM EVERYWHERE
About magicians using the egg-within-an-egg technique to biologically
load objects into genuine chicken eggs...
I'm almost certain that this is some clever magicians patter which
someone heard as an explanation for how a magi got a ring or something
else in an egg. Someone took the patter seriously, and it became part
of local lore or something.
Why am I so positive? Because there are a million better ways to load
things into eggs.
Msg #7552 Dated 14:54:14 03-02-91 7541 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: "THE MAGIC MENU"
Thanks, Jim. I did indeed get the check today and your issues will be
in the mail first thing Monday. I trust you'll enjoy the publication.
By the way, the amount you sent me insures that "The Magic Menu" will
be in existance at least until Spring '93 when your subscription runs
out! Thanks again!
Msg #7553 Dated 14:49:57 03-02-91 -> 7581
From: JIM HOY
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THANK YOU
Thanks for your reply to my message. I have used several tricks with
bills, namely polaroid money, Cash Galore, Bill switch, Marked bill
into lippincott box, torn and restored bill etc. One of the most
effective tricks I have ever done for laymen with a cigarette is just
to vanish a lit cigarette. I just use a standard routine from Bert
Allerton's "The Close-up Magician." People come back as long as a year
later and ask if I burned up after the trick. The fact that the
cigarette was lit really bothers them.
I have several versions of paper to bills, but I am never able to
hide the folded packet to my satisfaction. I realize the problem is
mine because a number of magicians, the immortal Fred Kaps for one,
made quite a reputation with it, but in my hands it never seems to fly.
If you ever get to Vegas, be sure and watch Mike Skinner do his
thimble routine. It is a masterpiece! However, I don't think I could
master it if I practiced a hundred years. In his hands it is delight.
Also in Vegas, Daniel Cros does a beautiful thimble routine. His is
completely different from Mike's.
Although it involves cards, I have found that "Chronologue" put
out by Rich Bloch's "Collector's Workshop" to be an absolutely baffling
effect for laymen. This is another trick that people bring their
friends in to see...and it's completely self working.
Again, thank you for taking the time to reply.
Msg #7554 Dated 15:04:13 03-02-91 7542 <--> 7692
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: LOOKING FOR BOOK
David....
Why not try Pete Biro's friend, Byron Walker, Box 3186,
San Leandro, CA 94578 (415) 352-1854. Seems like I remember
hearing about the book, but ?? Charlie Randall will be here at
tabman hall tomorrow. Charlie is a knowledgable bookman, maybe he
knows....Is Mike gonna be there (H'wood) just for the weekend? I
was gonna ship his new table out on Monday, UPS, but maybe I'll
just hold off for a few since nobody will be home on friday.
tabman
Msg #7555 Dated 15:09:07 03-02-91 -> 7559
From: JIM HOY
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Nothing personal (I have never seen you perform) but I think C-A-C died
with Al Goshman. "I think I broke a chink." I'll have to play with this
trick. Thanks for the idea. Any number of things have been used for it:
sugar cubes, bottle caps, wire nuts, cream containers, dice and on and
on. I remember seeing a dealer item once that did it with little metal
cones. Actually the cones were truncated, so they looked like minature
fez's. One of them had a shell over it and the shell became the extra
chink and could be ditched at the end simply by nesting it over the
final cone. From a theatrical point of view, the trick, like most
assembly tricks, lacks a climax. You are simply doing the same trick
four times. Could it be cut down to three objects without losing (and
hopefully gaining) some effect? I personally feel that too many magic
tricks are repetitious.
Thanks for the reply. I'll work on it.
Msg #7556 Dated 15:45:48 03-02-91 7536 <--> 7560
From: JIM SISTI
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Thanks so much, Max. I really appreciate the background info. With
your permission, I'd like to run this verbatim with your by-line in
"The Magic Menu." If this is a problem, I'll rewrite, but I really
would like to run it as is. I think it's important to give credit
where credit is due to the pioneers of the restaurant/bar field and
Heba Haba was surely one of those. Please advise.
Msg #7558 Dated 16:29:41 03-02-91 7535 <--> 7598
From: STAN LAKE
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WABBITS
That's a lot of good valuable info on rabbits. How often do you
perform with Buns? How many shows per week, month, year do you think
a person would have to do to justify getting one?
Also- when would be a good time to return the items I borrowed from
you? I will be at the Castle tonight and I will bring them just in
case I see you. Let me know of any other times that are convenient for
you and thanks again!
Msg #7559 Dated 16:40:52 03-02-91 7555 <--> 7603
From: STAN LAKE
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Chink-a-chink is indeed an ancient effect but so are the cups and balls
and linking rings. They can all be done sloppily or boringly or
entertainingly or even artfully. I think it depends on the audience
you are working for. An older crowd or one with magicians is probably
sure to have seen C-
Chink-a-chink whereas a younger crowd will probably not have. Tricks
rise and fade in popularity and maybe as you said Chink-a-chink died
with Al Goshman. In over a year at the Castle I had never seen anyone
other than myself perform it. It was for a group in their late 20's,
non-magicians and no one had seen it before. So, for some crowds it
may be ok.
Msg #7560 Dated 18:10:39 03-02-91 7556 <--> 7564
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
You have my permission to use this, but if you run it verbatim you
should explain that it was a BBS upload; otherwise, it will come across
as being rather terse.
Msg #7561 Dated 18:13:09 03-02-91 7546 <--> 7573
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HELLO
I will certainly agree that in many -- perhaps most -- comedy magic
acts there is a "compromise," usually resulting in an act which is weak
both in terms of magic and comedy. However, I'll dispute your comment
that "the fusion... is not created by the audience." In fact, many
audiences find inherent comedy in magic (and here I am _not_ talking
about condescending laughter at a serious magic act presented lamely).
I think there are shared roots in the historical traditions of
comedy and magic, which would require a lengthy discussion of shamanism
and related anthropological concepts to adequately comment upon.
Suffice it to say that such roots do, in my opinion, exist, and thus
create a splendid organic relationship between the two forms which can
be used to create results which are artistically successful.
You ask, have I ever seen a "comedy magic" act in which the magic
predominated. Yes. How about John Thompson, for starters. Roy Benson.
Billy McComb. I could go on.
But what is wrong with a comedy magic act in which the comedy
predominates? Michael Finney certainly fits that description, but
surely you'd agree his is a wonderful act, and the magic (although
secondary) does not suffer.
I suppose in some theoretical sense the ideal combination would be
such that the magic and comedy balance equally. Mac King probably fits
that; his audiences walk away with a twin perception of him as both a
fine magician and a fine comedian. But I hardly think this balance is
necessary per se.
There are more than enough examples of good comedy magicians, as
well as countless bad ones. But the reasons the bad ones are bad has
nothing to do with the viability of combining the forms.
Msg #7562 Dated 18:29:32 03-02-91 -> 7563
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: APOLOGY
A few messages ago I commented on Richard Osterlund's new video,
"Challenge Magic", produced by Jeff Busby. Although I raved about
the production, I was "mildly disappointed" with the product
appearances. After a few private messages with Jeff, we
determined that I just bought my first "Pirate Video". It didn't
even dawn on me at the time that a "reputable" dealer would even
have such a product. I feel as badly as Mr. Busby about it and
rest assured I will be more careful in the future. As soon as I
can gather the money together, I will order an authorized copy
from Jeff directly and will send the "pirate" copy to him to do
with as he pleases.
I still heartily endorse the material for anyone into "Close up"
or "Parlor magic" as it is filled with two hours of hard hitting
material, and again, I will soon be proud to own a "legal" copy
for myself.
Msg #7563 Dated 18:52:56 03-02-91 7562 <--> 7694
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: APOLOGY
Good for you and magic too.
Msg #7564 Dated 19:35:07 03-02-91 7560 <--> 7568
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Since Max prepared it for MAGIC!, it would be nice to mention that you
are "reprinting" (or some word of your choice) from same.
Msg #7567 Dated 19:53:23 03-02-91 -> 7584
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: ALL
Re: RC
I am having a problem with RC;* ,from what point of the menu do you
begin this command? Thanks for the Copperfield Special date.
Msg #7568 Dated 20:50:26 03-02-91 7560 <--> 7569
From: JIM SISTI
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Thanks, Max...and I will explain in an editor's note that it was from
MAGIC! Again, the information is much appreciated.
Msg #7569 Dated 20:52:11 03-02-91 7564 <--> 7585
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
It seems that we had this discussion before, but yes, as I mentioned to
Max in my reply, I will mention that it came from MAGIC!. This is
primarily because he requested that I do so. Just to clarify...he
didn't prepare the Heba Haba Al bio for MAGIC! per se...it was an
answer to an inquiry that I made to T A Waters about Heba Haba Al.
Thus, the bio would not have existed if I had not made an inquiry for
"The Magic Menu." But, as I am a firm believer in "credit where credit
is due," MAGIC! will get a mention. Relax, Dave..!
Msg #7570 Dated 21:55:49 03-02-91 7528 <--> 7571
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: NOTES FROM EVERYWHERE
ID to get spraypaint? Do they think you're a vigilante magician? I can
see it now -- "Blackstone Rules!"
Msg #7571 Dated 21:57:34 03-02-91 7550 <--> 7587
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: NOTES FROM EVERYWHERE
I agree there are better ways to load eggs, but being a true fact (eggs
can grow inside eggs this way) it may have been used once along time
ago (or not). Maybe Robert Houdin was having an off day...
Msg #7573 Dated 22:24:52 03-02-91 7529 <--> 7574
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HELLO
I can tell you from first hand experience as an opening act to Jay Leno
that MAGIC with comedic chat CAN GO STRONG in comedy clubs. And I hae
never done anything to expose for a laff. (I might expose myself, but
have never gotten any laffs doing it)!!!???
Msg #7574 Dated 22:26:06 03-02-91 7546 <--> 7588
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HELLO
Hey -- don't write over MY HEAD....
Msg #7575 Dated 22:27:50 03-02-91 7516 <--> 7606
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PLATFORM TRICKS CLOSE UP.
When we get together ask me to show you a FUNNY, COMMERCIAL thimble
routine. I marketed this via Ken Brooke, called "Pete's Peeper".
Msg #7576 Dated 22:29:10 03-02-91 7519 <--> 7600
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
The cost of Dye Version is, I am sure, in the huge silk streamer. If
you can get a streamer about 24-inches by about 12 feet you can make
your own set up.
Msg #7577 Dated 22:30:37 03-02-91 7520 <--> 7981
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ON THE ROAD
Bring enuf grits for me too. Yep the NEC I had is now el cheap in the
DAK catsassalog (except my one is 2meg and the 2meg in DAK is aaround
800 samoleons. O'bie had open heart surgery according to Jay Marshall.
I don't know if the Hockey Puck had anything to do with it.
Msg #7579 Dated 22:35:57 03-02-91 7531 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JOHN JOLLY (X)
Re: HOWDY
Sorry no knowledge of the TV movie and Sorry (for me) I missed the Kaps
Wichita sessions (I didn't work for Joe then and was lost trying to
find Abbott's address). And YES the battle is done... keep flyin!! And
good luck...
Msg #7580 Dated 22:39:13 03-02-91 7544 <--> 7596
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
I wish I knew the REAL ANSWER. However those that do get going are very
good. Melinda, Lisa Menna, Jade to name a few.
frankly, as entertainers women and men are equal in music, dance, etc.
and acting, and I have always wondered why not in variety acts. Maybe
they are smarter and KNOW the singing, dancing, acting part of show biz
has more respec and pays better!
How many magic acts get to you emotionally as well as music acts?
When I used to work downstairs from Turk Murphy's Jazz Band at
Earthquake McGoons -- I used to try to get as strong a reaction out of
the audience as the singer upstairs. It is hard... and you hvae to work
hard to come close! But I was jealous of the reactions music acts got!
Msg #7581 Dated 22:43:19 03-02-91 7553 <--> 7602
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: THANK YOU
The Fred Kaps version of Pat Page's Paper to Money really makes it
easier to do and is convincing as all get out. And there is no reason
for any problem hiding the folded packet if you spread and count the
money (the fan covers it all). Try it.
Msg #7584 Dated 23:03:05 03-02-91 7567 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: RC
RC;* should be entered at the command line on the Main Menu. When you
use RC (Read Continuous) the messages are "dumped" to your system
without a pause, so you must have a "capture buffer" ready on your end
to catch everything. If you want to read new messages individually,
you would use R;* Hope that helps.
Msg #7585 Dated 23:05:10 03-02-91 7568 <--> 7586
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Thanks, Jim. And if you'll send us a clip of the article as it appears
in the Magic Menu, we'll post it on our MAGIC! Wall of Fame.
Msg #7586 Dated 23:07:12 3-02-91 7569 <--> 7599
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
I went back and checked and, yes, you did make it clear in your request
that you were asking on behalf of your publication. On the other hand,
the Magic Menu does get a lot of mention here, so perhaps reciprocation
is not out of line.
Msg #7587 Dated 23:08:45 03-02-91 7570 <--> 7615
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: NOTES FROM EVERYWHERE
Seriously, Scott, in Los Angeles you have to show ID proving that you
are over some age (either 18 or 21 I think) to buy a can of spray
paint. I don't believe that we pay a special tax on it, I think that
proposition was defeated. But stores are required to keep it under
lock and key. (Actually, I guess they are only required to keep it
under lock. After all, if they kept it under key anyone, not just a
magician, could take a can without asking).
Msg #7588 Dated 23:13:02 03-02-91 7573 <--> 7589
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELLO
Frankly, Pete, I'm surprised that you would not get laughs by exposing
yourself. But that was unkind. Yes, magic can get laughs in a comedy
club, but then it is COMEDY, NOT magic. Magic in a comedy club is
almost always a prop. Making sexual gestures with a microphone can get
laughs in a comedy club - does that make it a "comedy microphone" act?
By the way, Max, I haven't ignored your message on this topic (#7561),
I'm digesting it.
Msg #7589 Dated 23:17:02 03-02-91 7574 <--> 7619
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELLO
OK, I won't. Would you mind holding my desk a bit lower?
Msg #7595 Dated 23:56:31 03-02-91 -> 7601
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
Stan,
Thanks so much for the patients it required to get me those cards. I am
glad to finally have them. It was most appreciated that you dropped
them off as the black hole at the postal service didn't need them.
Thanks again
Msg #7596 Dated 0:32:07 03-03-91 7580 <--> 7622
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
I agree 100% that women are equal in the entertainment field. And
that, should they put effort into it, they all would be as talented and
creative at magic as men.
I also agree music and the other arts appeal to people on a very
different level. Perhaps because people are more *willing* to respond
to these arts than they are to be simply mystified.
As the answer to the original question, I think we need to look at
*why* we, men, become magicians. For me, the answer was the obvious --
it was a crutch during my pre-adolescent days. I'm sure lots of people
were the same. Why don't women put their drives, insecurities, etc
into this avenue? Do they have better avenues? Is it not socially
acceptable?
This is tangential, but I've always felt the public's relationship with
the magician always had a bit of scorn mixed in -- on the public side.
Probably because we begin with the proposition that we're going to fool
them! (Penn & Teller tap into this scorn real well.)
I'd love to get a larger, genuine discussion on the woman-magician
question going here. I think the answer will throw insight on why we
are magicians, and magic itself.
Msg #7597 Dated 1:59:39 03-03-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: FOCUS
Focus arrived today - thanks! And thanks too to Max for the nice
inscription.
My son (the two year old) looked at the cover and said, "The man from
the movie." So maybe you did impress him after all, Max.
Msg #7598 Dated 3:07:50 03-03-91 7558 <--> 7604
From: RICHARD HART
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WABBITS
Hmmm. I just got back from the Castle and found your note. Musta
missed you there. I'll be going again next Saturday, perhaps we can
meet then?
As for how much use justifies obtaining a rabbit, guess that's a matter
for each to decide. Personally, if I only did 1 kid show a year, I'd
get a rabbit. Of course, I've been using rabbits in my act for well on
20 years now and AM rather biased. Like it or not, when laymen think
of tricks magicians do, rabbits out of hats is high up on the list. I
guess the real determining point is the smiles on the faces of the
kids. Producing endless streams of silks, making balls appear and
disappear, joining big shiny rings together is one thing, but when that
cute, living, breathing RABBIT makes its appearance, you might as well
stop the show! Kids go nuts over animals. And I capitalize on that
fact. To the tune of a dove from silks, silk to balloon (ala dye
tube), balloon to dove, and then a bit later on in the routine, the
mirror-box rabbit production. Remember "Radio Rabbit" off the Ginn
video? Did you see the excitement caused when the rabbit stuck his
nose out of the innards of the radio? You get my point, then...
Anyway, hope to meet up with you at the Castle next weekend. Perhaps
we can discuss the bunny topic further then.
_richard
Msg #7599 Dated 7:14:32 03-03-91 7569 <--> 7611
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Hi Jim->
Just got the new Magic Menu and it keeps on getting
better. I wish you had, as I requested, printed Torn under my
"tabman" byline with a mention that it is similar to the Tom
Mullica effect found on the Stevens video. I don't recall the
message number where I made my request but it was back awhile.
Glad I could get you and Ray Mertz together. He tells me
he's doing a column now starting next month. Ray's work will also
be featured in the Doc Eason issue of GENII which may also carry
a brief bit from the tabman on how Doc also influenced my
research and writings called "The Heart of The Temple, or how I
got from Eason to Ponsin".
Keep up the good work and thanks for mentioning MAGIC!.
tabman
PS/ Charlie "UsedBooks" Randall is flying up today from Houston
and is bringing the K. Fox book with "Rip Off" in it for me to
check out. I'll be in touch about the similarities in a letter to
the editor which I hope you'll find space for in an upcoming
issue. Thanx.
Msg #7600 Dated 11:00:46 03-03-91 7576 <--> 7624
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
If I remember correctly, you said it would probably cost more to
assemble the silks required for the effect than to just buy it already
complete from Abbott's. I'll take a look at what my budget can buy and
maybe I will go ahead with it anyway. Thanks for the advice.
Msg #7601 Dated 11:06:00 03-03-91 7595 <--> 7646
From: STAN LAKE
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
You're very welcome for the force decks. Just curious- what sort of
effect(s) do you like to do with them?
Msg #7602 Dated 11:02:25 03-03-91 7553 <--> 7625
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: THANK YOU
Sounds like your close-up efforts are already quite diversified...I
don't quite understand your hesitation to use another coin or card
effect.
I do admit that I probably have a prejudicial mindset against thimble
routines. I'm not sure why. I think that, conceptually, the premise
is silly. The most remarkable magic done with thimbles seems to be
"explainable" in the minds of most laymen. Perhaps because thimbles
draw so much attention to the fingertips, they offer an "illusion" of
nothing more than finger-flickin' manipulation...not magic. Once
again, though, this is entirely subjective.
Msg #7603 Dated 11:09:50 03-03-91 7555 <--> 7607
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Devil's recent Castle lecture featured FLAMING chink-a-chink!
Not my style, but VERY interesting!
Msg #7604 Dated 11:08:28 03-03-91 7598 <--> 7623
From: STAN LAKE
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WABBITS
I have some relatives coming to town next weekend and we have plans to
be at the Castle on Friday night instead of my usual Saturday. (I'm
not looking forward to being out after midnight on Friday when I have
to be up for work at 5:00 am on Saturday!) Perhaps the following
Saturday? We'll keep in touch!
Msg #7606 Dated 11:19:39 03-03-91 7575 <--> 7629
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PLATFORM TRICKS CLOSE UP.
Okay, Pete....if you insist!
If I actually ENJOY this supposedly "funny, commercial" thimble
routine, I'll be surprised....and embarassed!
So...when are you gonna be in L.A. next?
Msg #7607 Dated 11:17:41 03-03-91 7559 <--> 7608
From: STAN LAKE
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
No sooner had I written a message saying I had never seen anyone
perform Chink-a-chink at the Castle when a few hours later I saw Johnny
Thompson do his vernerable routine using sugar cubes. It was mentioned
that Chink-a-chink may have died but in Johnny's hands it seemed to be
a work of art. In fact, his entire routine had nothing new in content
but it was so well presented that the audience gave him the loudest
applause I heard all evening. Certainly is something to aspire to!
Msg #7608 Dated 11:25:41 03-03-91 7607 <--> 7626
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Johnny OPENS with chink-a-chink. Glad you saw it, Stan. I've been
trying to get everyone on MAGIC! to get down there and see him do
close-up....it's a very special event. What did you think of his
TRIUMPH? "So well presented" seems to be a massive understatement.
John is also someone who gives lots of credit throughout his
performance to those who originated specific effects. First class.
Msg #7610 Dated 16:08:41 03-03-91 -> 7681
From: JIM HOY
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Remember Joe E. Lewis??? He said, "You can lead a horse to water, but
if you can make him turn over and do the back stroke, you've got
something!" Tell me more about FLAMING CHINK-A-CHINK.
Msg #7611 Dated 16:08:56 03-03-91 7586 <--> 7612
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
It's not out of line at all, David. I was just making sure that you
knew I intend to credit MAGIC! everytime we use something in THE MAGIC
MENU. I just felt that your "reminders" each time this issue has come
up indicates that we would "lift" something without permission or
credit. I know you don't mean it that way...it just makes me feel that
way, I guess. I do have a hypersensitivity to keeping THE MAGIC MENU
all above board, which is how I know you feel about MAGIC! Please be
assured that I will always credit MAGIC! when appropriate. It has been
of great help to me both professionally and personally, and I hope that
my participation has enhanced MAGIC! a little also. And, of course, I
will send you the issue in which Max's piece on Heba Haba Al will
appear (your name appears also as MAGIC!'s sysop). I hope this clears
up our differences...which upon reflection are not really differences
at all but simply different perspectives.
Msg #7612 Dated 16:20:02 03-03-91 7599 <--> 7632
From: JIM SISTI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
I don't remember the byline request, which doesn't mean you didn't post
it...I just don't remember seeing it. Obviously, I would have honored
that. I would t, however, mention the Mullica routine because it's
different in concept (yours [Karrell's?] uses a signed selection and
finishes by utilizing a duplicate) and I don't feel it's original with
Mullica. I printed it as you submitted it, hoping that the source
mystery would untangle itself (as it presumably has, thanks to Tim
Wenk). If you feel that the Karrell Fox trick is similar or the same,
we will definitely try to fit in a "Letter to the Editor." I do feel
however that it should not be in any way an apology. I believe very
strongly that creative minds can come up with a similar creation
independently of each other. Thanks for the kind words. Issue #5 is
just about half-done and it looks better still!
Msg #7615 Dated 19:47:38 03-03-91 7587 <--> 7638
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: NOTES FROM EVERYWHERE
I believed you about the ID for spraypaint, I was just making fun of
the idea. That's interesting though, about the spraypaint tax
propsition. I assume this is a deterrent to vandals who spray graffiti
. Has it helped at all?
Msg #7618 Dated 21:25:21 03-03-91 -> 7639
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: THANKS GENERAL
I wish to thank
General H. Norman Schwartzkof for not only his leadership and command
of the field, but for finding my book. The Magic of Robert Harbin. It
is now on the shelf!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew. I really thought I had lost it.
Just like the previous move when I lost a chair to suitcase that
actually belonged to Horace Goldin. I don't know what the movers are
using it for???? Anyway, I will now sleep tonight.
Msg #7619 Dated 21:29:36 03-03-91 7589 <--> 7641
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HELLO
Or... don't raise the bridge, lower the water.
Msg #7622 Dated 21:31:45 03-03-91 7596 <--> 7635
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Two things. I am working on a trick that will get people tapping their
feet. And I am having lunch with Jade (very successful Femme
Magicienne) in a few days... will ask her the reasons, motivation, etc.
Msg #7623 Dated 21:33:15 03-03-91 7598 <--> 7636
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WABBITS
Many do not know this, but Larry Jennings, in his laymen close up work
always told me how important it was for a magician to produce a
rabbit... so he DOES in close up. Will not tip modus operandi here, but
thought the news of his feelings important!
Msg #7624 Dated 21:34:32 03-03-91 7600 <--> 7634
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
This gave me an idea. What if someone (me?) were to design an act, make
a teach it video, sell the video and RENT the props? Hmmm, new biz?
With UPS next day, you could ship it, the act work and get it back in
3 days.... I will think on tthis.
Anybody got any thots?
Msg #7625 Dated 21:35:59 03-03-91 7602 <--> 7686
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THANK YOU
Nothing should be Pre-determined by the audience. You just gots to
think of the way to bring it into play. I talk about trying to sew on
as button now that I don't got no wife no more. The thimble is then
something I have on my finger but am trying to get OFF (it is left hand
thread and my finger is right hand thread) and then I can't get rid of
the dumb thing... then it grows, like Pinochios nose... I also devised
all the handling so you are facing the audience, not turned to one
side. Soon, will detail the routine. Too tired and busy now.
Msg #7626 Dated 21:38:20 03-03-91 7603 <--> 7627
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Tell me more....
Msg #7627 Dated 21:38:42 03-03-91 7607 <--> 7628
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Any dumb old trick is good, if presented by a PRESENTER.
Msg #7628 Dated 21:39:16 03-03-91 7608 <--> 7687
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Tomsoni has now graduated to (in mine humble opinion) to be the BEST
"ALL AROUND MAGICAL PERFORMER" on the planet.
Msg #7629 Dated 21:40:05 03-03-91 7606 <--> 7667
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PLATFORM TRICKS CLOSE UP.
NEVER!!! ok i'
LL COME when the smog goes.
Seriously, folks, i'll letcha know.
Msg #7632 Dated 21:59:11 03-03-91 7612 <--> 7650
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Since you've see Mullica's version (I haven't) and I
still haven't seen Mr. Fox's (Charlie came in from Houston today
but didn't have a chance to get me a copy) I still don't know.
I'm not going to appologize which isn't my point, but to provide
some more information as I'm as interested as anyone in origins
of effects and would love to know more about people who tear
cards to bits and restore same. The method I use is a take off on
a center tear and billet switch applied to cards which I
definately didn't invent, only adapt. I understand Roterberg had
a torn and restored card in his New Era Card Trix but I haven't
seen that one either. Surely somebody on MAGIC! has Krazy Like A
Fox and can provide one of us with a copy of "Rip Off" but for
the life of me I can't believe it's exactly the same trick but
would like to see what the discussion is all about since I live
in a vacuuum.
The purpose of my intended letter to your magazine most
certainly wouldn't be an appology for something I did or didn't
do, but since you seemed so worried about what your readers might
think about where "Torn" came from I thought I'd exonerate you
and MM just to help out, but that's just the kind of guy I am.
Maybe I should think more about myself and less about others as
this seems to be how most people live anyway. Maybe I'll just
give up and join the rest of the world.
Don't take me wrong. So far I just want to help anyone
who is making a positive effort and I believe you and MM (I can
call your newsletter that since the other MM folded) are doing
just that. That's one reason I got you and Ray together as I
believe in what he (Ray) is doing for himself, his family and
magic. If I owe anyone an appology, its my family for spending so
much time away from them following my love affair with magic and
magicians; but they love me. What else can I say?
tabman
Msg #7634 Dated 0:03:13 03-04-91 7624 <--> 7637
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
My only thought on this is that I assume you are joking -- you ARE
kidding, aren't you? Pete?
Msg #7635 Dated 0:04:08 03-04-91 7622 <--> 7648
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
There was a discussion, with input from several female magicians, in
INSIDE MAGIC some months ago. If you wish to query Jade about this, I
would recommend you don't use the phrase "trick chicks" -- particularly
if she's holding something sharp or heavy at the time...
...and as long as I am picking on you, what exactly is a Femme
Magicienne? The opposite of a Butch Magicienne?
Msg #7636 Dated 0:09:52 03-04-91 7623 <--> 7659
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WABBITS
After seeing Mr. Jennings work, I have no doubts that he could palm an
rabbit, if needed...
Hmm, wonder just how to go about palming a rabbit. The Goshman pinch
might be a little risky, and angly to boot...
Msg #7637 Dated 0:37:43 03-04-91 7624 <--> 7655
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
Assuming you're serious about this notion, it's a dreadful idea. In the
latest "Inside Magic" supplement there is an article by a major booker
of magic conventions decrying the lack of originality in so many acts.
A "teach it video" sold with props would, of course, encourage just
this very thing.
Oh, the author of that article? Pete Biro.
Msg #7638 Dated 0:39:50 03-04-91 7615 <--> 7811
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: NOTES FROM EVERYWHERE
Nothing helps. I think that graffitti sprayers now manufacture their
own paint. Here's another one for you - it is against the law to serve
a patron a glass of water in a resturant unless they ask for it.
Msg #7639 Dated 0:41:58 03-04-91 7618 <--> 7660
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANKS GENERAL
Congrats on finding the Harbin book! I know it was making you crazy.
Here's something I was just reminded of - when we moved the movers lost
one of our folding chairs (non-magical) too! Is it possible that there
is something behind all this (pardon the pun) that we are unaware of?
Msg #7641 Dated 0:43:52 03-04-91 7619 <--> 7649
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELLO
You've hit on one of my favorite phrases when preparing new material.
Why look at the same old problem the same old way? Amazing what you
can do when you look at "lowering the water."
Msg #7646 Dated 0:54:52 03-04-91 7601 <--> 7731
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
I don't have anything in mind just yet. I have found in the past that
if I didn't take action at the time I missed out on getting something
that I later regretted(sp). At the present time I am pretty much a
non-card magician. I am thinking of changing this as something about
union rules keeps coming up. Any thoughts you have?
Msg #7647 Dated 1:00:48 03-04-91 7543 <--> 7688
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
The MAGIC! luncheon at the Castle was a one shot deal. BUT with the
crowd you are naming - yourself, Kent Cummins, and Michael Ammar - I'm
sure that anyone available would turn out to join you. If those
interested in joining in an un-official MAGIC! lunch this Friday (March
8th) at the Castle would reply to this message, perhaps we can make a
group reservation. Does anyone know if the Houdini Room is available
on that day? I will plan to be there and look forward to seeing y'all.
Msg #7648 Dated 1:04:49 03-04-91 7544 <--> 7657
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
There is some evidence that the lack of women in magic is not
worldwide. Matt Matsuyama says that 1/2 of all the members of the
magic society in Japan are women (Matt has started to join us here on
MAGIC! by the way, but is just starting to get familiar with the
system).
Women were historically big in magic, but maybe they got discouraged in
Salem.
Msg #7649 Dated 1:09:33 03-04-91 7561 <--> 7662
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HELLO
I would certainly agree with the first paragraph of your message - most
"comedy magic" acts are a weak compromise.
As to shamans and anthropological concepts, I think I could use those
to validate my point. Somehow I can't picture the shaman as Henny
Youngman - "Here, take my wife, please" - to the tribe.
Yes, you did hit on some great names there - John Thompson, Roy Benson,
Billy McComb, Mac King, and Michael Finney. They were one of the
reasons I said "most" in my message. But in each case you are looking
at people who have created a unique fusion of the two forms. The
general run-of-the-mill, as you admit, is a poor compromise.
Still, it gets back to a basic level. Why do people like comedy? Why
do people want magic? I think that if you made those two lists you
would find very little crossover.
Msg #7650 Dated 1:21:44 03-04-91 7611 <--> 7676
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Jim, you may not be aware of it, but it turns out that there are a few
magic publications that have been pirating material from MAGIC! I know
that yours isn't one of them, but I guess I have been using my messages
to you as a vehicle for telling the others that it is no more
respectable to do that electronically than it would be for them to
photocopy pages of Magic Menu or Genii and insert them in their
publications.
I can understand your sensitivity and I recognize that Magic Menu is an
"above board" publication and that you are honorable.
It is likely that I will be in Connecticut toward the end of June,
probably in the southern end of the state, and hope to have a chance to
meet you in person.
Msg #7654 Dated 1:46:16 03-04-91 -> 7664
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: GET REEL
I'm looking for the type of reel that is used in Ring Flyte. You pull
out the cord to the length you want and then lock it. A tug on the
cord releases it. Have tried a few places and can't seem to find it.
Anyone have a source? NO, Pete and Marvin, I DON'T want Abbott's
address - even if they have it!
Msg #7655 Dated 7:57:44 03-04-91 7634 <--> 7656
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
Coitanly
Msg #7656 Dated 7:58:17 03-04-91 7637 <--> 7679
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
I'm glad I got some fur up. Jus' tryin' to make a point. Only trouble
is some guy will probably really do it!!!
Msg #7657 Dated 7:59:12 03-04-91 7635 <--> 7658
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Do you have a list of Butch Magiciennes? I have seen a few.
Msg #7658 Dated 7:59:54 03-04-91 7648 <--> 7695
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Frankly I think if MALE magicians would work as hard as say, lead
female dancers in revue shows, they would BURST to the forefront as
performers. Magicians don't even come close to rehearsing anywhere as
much as even MINOR performers in music/dance branches of the biz.
While on this abstract(?) subject. Even the stealers miss the point.
Cardini's act was said to have been copied by thousands... YET I HAVE
NEVER SEEN ANY PERFORMER WORK LIKE CARDINI. THEY ALL STOLE THE WRONG
PART OF THE ACT.... THE MAGIC TRICKS.
Msg #7659 Dated 8:02:35 03-04-91 7636 <--> 7684
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WABBITS
I won't elaborate, but Jennings (HONEST) -- uses a form of a dove pan
to produce the bunny.
Msg #7660 Dated 8:03:28 03-04-91 7639 <--> 7740
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: THANKS GENERAL
Somewhere this stuff all ends up in one place, right!
Msg #7662 Dated 8:06:33 03-04-91 7649 <--> 7683
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HELLO
I wonder how many comics are working in how many clubs these days? Must
be thousands.
Msg #7664 Dated 8:09:32 03-04-91 7654 <--> 7747
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: GET REEL
If I can find my box of reels, I'll bring you one to Vegas. I heard
Abbott's is going to have a hotline at the Seminar.
Msg #7665 Dated 8:39:14 03-04-91 -> 7672
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RIIIIIIIP !
Professor Tab, my man...
Just looked on page 59 in Clever Like a Fox at "RIP OFF" -- Hey,
it's goooooooood (as Seabrooke might say).
Briefly. Card chosen, deck behind back, tear off index corner,
put card, reversed, into center of deck. Bring out indifferent
card with index piece palmed. Name card. (You peeked at index).
Tear up the card placing index at face so the suckers think it IS
the chosen one. Give spec the index corner, vanish pieces of
indifferent card. Speckled-tater looks thru deck and finds the
card, face up and lo and behold, or hi and behold -- the corner
fits.
I don't remember what you had described and haven't saved any
messages lately, so you can tell me the outcome, if there is one.
My favorite PLOT(S) with torn etc. cards is Gaeton's wherein he
opens the routine by noting the table isn't steady, so he brings
out a long carpenter's spirit level to 'LEVEL' the table. And
folds up a playing card to stick under one leg. THAT CARD
EVENTUALLY is found to be a selected card! The other I do all the
time and I am not telling! Nya, nya, nya (until I see you in
Vegas).
I might add that Karrell Fox's close up stuff is something he
gets little recognition for but is OUTSTANDING. I have worked a
hospitality suite with him and to seehim do SIMPLE, YET MIND
BOGGLING STUFF for lay audiences is amazing.
One of my favorite sayings is, "Simplicity is the keynote to
success!"
My other is (from my old army outfit, "The Big Red One") a slogan
we had over our door at the HQ, "No mission too difficult, no
sacrifice too great, duty first!" I felt a tinge when I saw the
sign on tv "Welcome to IRAQ, courtesy the Big Red One!" along the
"impenetrable line of defense".
I guess I caught a few on my "Rent an act" bit! If I could, I
would have started a FRANCHISE act set up. You see it would save
most magicians having to do ANY THINKING AT ALL.
(Here's where I get in trouble ------ !!!!!) (Probably because I
am WRONG about what I am about to say....) but..... here goes....
MU OPINION!!!!!!!!
I have to say that I am against what I see from the Chavez School
of Magic. It seems to produce a huge number of SAMES. Same
tricks, same looks, same everything.... however, I am sure (but I
don't know) that it is GOOD to learn the basic stuff... but I
would hope the student IS HAMMERED WITH THE THOUGHT TO GO YOUR
OWN WAY. The three graduates I note from the Chavez School that
DID THINK BEYOND, ARE: Channing Pollock, Norm Nielsen and Don
Alan. Three totally distinct and different top pro's that Benny
(Chavez) trained.
One refreshing item of note is the DIVERSITY of acts this coming
Seminar has brought out. A very few birds and I don't think ANY
ZOMBIES.... Still some cards tho -- but wait 'til you see what
one guy does IN THE WAY OF PRESENTING SOME CLASSIC EFFECTS. So
different you will not believe it.
I would say this act is as ORIGINAL as Cardini was when he burst
on the scene.
We should circulate the Cardini tape (or show it at the Seminar)
and see how many magicians REALIZE what was going on in his act.
The best part of his act (to me) was not just the ATTITUDE, but
how many reviewers or articles about his act mentioned the guy on
stage that sleeps through his act? And at the end, Cardini has
produced a Pipe, he notes the sleeping guy has a "better looking"
pipe, and Cardini swaps his for the one on the guy snoozing.
Adios, mon amigo-san, mutha
Msg #7666 Dated 9:26:00 03-04-91 -> 7749
From: JIM HOY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: RING FLITE
Jerry Mentzer of "Magic Methods" used to sell a nice one with a locking
reel. I used to do it a lot, but haven't for a long time. Must dig it
out again. The method of hooking the borrowed ring onto the key hook
was pretty good too. I always had an awkward moment when I was hooking
the borrowed ring onto the key hook without fumbling. Here's how I
solved it, for whatever it's worth to you. Remember that old chestnut
where you show three cards in a fan, turn the fan face down, pull out
the center card and put it on the table. Sprctator turns the card over
and it has changed to another card? It uses a flap card and has been
used as a give away...has probably even been in cereal boxes. O.K., I
would have a lady take off her ring, do the changing card trick, have
her pull the center card out and put it on the table(without looking at
it) and put her ring on it so it "Couldn't get away." I would show the
other two cards faces, covering the flap of course, put them in my
pocket, getting the key hook at the same time, pick up her ring with
the other hand and have her turn the tabled card over. During the
surprise of seeing the changed card, you have plenty of time to hook
the ring onto the key hook. Finish as per usual. I realize you asked me
what time it is and I just built you a watch, but thought someone might
get something out of it. Chao.
Msg #7667 Dated 10:03:41 03-04-91 7521 <--> 7675
From: TREVOR GRIFFITHS
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: PLATFORM TRICKS CLOSE UP.
Hi Jim,
I saw your message about the "Magic Menu". I would like to subscribe.
Can you send me details of where to send the check. Also price of back
issues.
Many Thanks
Trev...
Msg #7669 Dated 10:18:35 03-04-91 -> 7713
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: TOMMY WONDER QUESTION
Msg : 1 of 1 Loc
From : Tommy Wonder 03 Mar 91 22:41:00
To : All
Subj : Martin take-up pull
--------------------------------------------------------------------
I am looking for a martin take-up pull for a vanishing bird cage. It
does not necessarily have to be an original Martin pull, it can be
imitation. I know they exist, as long as it is of that type of
quality.
Many collectors have these things and I hope that one of them might
want to sell one to me instead of letting these great pulls collect
dust. I would like to hear if anybody would be willing to sell it to
me.
Kind regards, Tommy..
Msg #7670 Dated 10:19:32 03-04-91 -> 7752
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC FOR RELATIVES
Msg : 39 of 39
From : Arnoud Van Delden 04 Mar 91 18:07:00
To : All
Subj : Magic for Relatives
.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd like to start a discusion here about performing Magic for non-ma-
gic Friends and relatives just because it plays a very important part
in every magicians live (both prof and amateur).
.
Let me explain: When I first started magic (and for many years to come
after that) my only audience where friends and relatives. These per-
sons saw me perform much more than the average layman does see magic
because they where on almost event where my performances where wanted
(family gatherings, parties, school parties...). Ofcourse they weren't
there all together (in fact they fall apart in some groups) but combi-
ned with the fact that they don't form a large group (such as fresh
laymen with every show), the only thing I could do was coming up with
something new every time (I didn't refuse shows then because I always
had something to try). It was exactly as Goshman stated in his book.
.
Later I realized that a lot of time is needed to polish and
perfect routines; this caused some trouble: I suddenly had only a few
routines I thought were realy good and in no-time these where fired on
the relatives group leaving me empty-handed for future. When on a paid
show (or the rare occasions I meet non magic friends that haven't seen
something) I only use the 'good' items. Today the gap between 'good'
routines and 'routines for relatives' has became very wide indeed,
because I spend most time perfecting and performing old things and
less time searching new things. As a result, 'routines for relatives'
are either very old things I don't do 'professionaly' or things just
invented or in the expirimental phase; neither very good developed!
.
Another thing is: Relatives and (non magic) collegues DON'T ACCEPT YOU
AS A MAGICIAN. I have the feeling that I can do prize winning acts or
other things that are extremely succesfull amongst laymen that just
don't impress them (or leaves them asking for the method!) because
I'm just one of there friends doing a magic puzzle for them. Some are
realy angry when you don't show it again over and over (so they can
find out the secret) or tell them how it's done. Because I don't want
troubles in the hierarchic structure (when performing for the boss,
he is still in charge) I try to avoid performing for friends and
relatives lately.
.
I think I can say a lot more about this, but this message is getting
a little long.. Is there anybody who feels the same, has something
good to say about the subject (I never saw anything in the books about
this), or want to tell how he handles this subject in practice? Please
leave it here on MAGIC!-NL.... See Ya, Arnoud!
Msg #7671 Dated 10:20:54 03-04-91 -> 7810
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: THANKS FROM HOLLAND
Msg : 37 of 38 Pvt Loc
From : Jurrien Luiten 03 Mar 91 12:03:00
To : Magic-Us
Subj : thanks
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello Randy, I recieved your message about the mental
magic books. Thank you for it and greatings from the other
side of the world ... JUR, Den Haag, Holland.
Msg #7672 Dated 10:27:45 03-04-91 7665 <--> 7674
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RIIIIIIIP !
DeJaVu....thats it exactly. Heck everybody thought I stole it from Tom
Mullica when I really stole it from Karrell Fox. Thanks for the info.
Back later as Charlie Randall is just leaving and I want to open the
gate for him. Great visit with a super nice guy. Much good talk and
seafood.....appreciate your taking time to check it out.
Msg #7673 Dated 10:30:18 03-04-91 -> 7678
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: RIP OFF
See msg to Pete above...later.
Msg #7674 Dated 10:36:40 03-04-91 7672 <--> 7714
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RIIIIIIIP !
Well, almost exactly.
Msg #7675 Dated 11:01:07 03-04-91 7667 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: TREVOR GRIFFITHS (X)
Re: PLATFORM TRICKS CLOSE UP.
The address for THE MAGIC MENU is 40 Noe Place, A-8, Beacon Falls, CT
06403. The is $15.00 yearly for six issues (we're bi-monthly). Back
issues are $4.00 each. We're up to issue 4 now. If you'd like to
subscribe AND get the back issues, $25.00 will cover the three back
issues and a year's subscription. Looking forward to having you as a
subscriber!
Msg #7676 Dated 11:04:38 03-04-91 7632 <--> 7677
From: JIM SISTI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
You took me the wrong way. I didn't mean that your letter should
contain an apology...I meant that I wouldn't print one because I don't
think any is due. Please re-read my message again. (That's the
trouble with this kind of communication). You owe NO ONE an apology.
As I said in my message, I believe that it is possible for two minds
to conceive of the same effect independently of each other. BTW, if I
had any misgivings about the effect's origin, I wouldn't have printed
the thing in the first place. Please don't confuse me with those who
are almost anal retentive about crediting every little jot and tittle
of a trick. In most cases, that kind of crediting makes magic books
and effects a real trial to read. I want you to know that I appreciate
everything you've done for me and THE MAGIC MENU. I really do.
Msg #7677 Dated 11:10:32 03-04-91 7650 <--> 7680
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Thanks for the words, David. I appreciate it...I just wanted everyone
else to know our philosophy and how it relates to MAGIC! RE: your trip
to Connecticut...I live in the southern part of the state. Where are
you going to be? I would look forward to meeting you also.
Msg #7678 Dated 11:14:32 03-04-91 7673 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RIP OFF
Yeah...just read it. Oh, well...my message to you still stands. I
vote for leaving it alone...unless we give a "tip of the hat" so to
speak to Karrell next issue. It's your call...
Msg #7679 Dated 11:14:33 03-04-91 7624 <--> 7685
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
In speaking with a friend who buys and sells magic
libraries, he mentioned that two complete xerox copies of the
Harbin Book had turned up & one of them had even been bound into
a "lookalike" book. They, honorable men that they are, haven't
offered either one of these to the magic book buying public. They
were surprised by this, but chose not to participate in the one
off rip off. I've been going through their trash for the past two
months, but guess they shredded them. Glad you found your book,
though.
Actually by designing an original act, doing the video,
props, etc giving them something to work their area with if you
could provide territories or limit the sale to one magi in each
town or 50 mile circle, etc. I think your franchise approach is
best though. Call it Jiffy Magic, An Act A Minit. Provide
costumes, backdrop, etc. Advertise in Money Makers Monthly, The
Franchise Opportunity Magazine. Then charge the franchise holders
a monthly fee for nat'l tv ads, etc.
Guess I said Charlie Randall just left. Excellent house
guest and not allergic to dogs or cats. Can talk about magic
books for hours on end and doesn't get sleepy til you do. I could
say more and probably will, but I'm trying to keep it down for
fear of blowing a fuse or friends.
He really liked tabman tables and will get one of the
next ones I make. He tried to give me money but I forced him to
pay me in books. What can I say, and contrary to what my dad
said, you can eat books if you microwave them on high for 75
minits and then make bookmeal from the ashes. Plus, I'm loosing
weight.
Down to 5 or 6 cigs a day now, but I just found a pack
gloria had stashed and am smoking three at a time till they're
gone. Will try to be quit by MAGIC! breakfast. Got a location for
it yet? as I'm coming in thus night and then right back out on
sat as I want to make Phil. Day of Magic same weekend then we
start the process of packing etc. If I'm around still by Balto
Convention I will help with MAGIC! related stuff for sure and
you're most certainly invited down to Spring Hill if we're still
here. Will be some others around then too I bet. Depends on how
fast farm goes. Gotta be prepared for anything.
Had a session in the studio yesterday and Charlie had
good time hanging out seeing a little recording magic. Too bad
the group basically s**ked, but this ain't NY, LA and it ain't
Nashville and it ain't home either. They booked me to overdub
steel on session (my studio, am only steel player allowed) and
couldn't understand how I could play three of their original
songs in fifteen minits after it had taken them all day to get
them down. Reason: I'd heard em all a hundred times before. Hey,
there's only 12 notes and 2 basic time sigs.
Magic is a much more complex art form and many more
ingredients go into performance and presentation. Musicians might
probably argue with this, but I'm convinced. Music is mostly
soul (technique and knowledge of instrument certainly help).
Magic is mostly knowledge of instrument and technique on base
level. Its when a magician can bring soul into his performance
that it then becomes something truly a wonder to behold. Music is
only part of the total presentation. For a music show to be
effective the visual must be added to make the presentation
complete. A great magician could probably convince the audience
they were hearing music anyway if he wanted. I hear it all the
time myself. Talk to you later. Glad to see you home again.
sg #7680 Dated 11:17:27 03-04-91 7676 <--> 7753
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
No problemo. We understand each other and am sorry I gave the
impression I didn't. When you (me) stay so close to the edge all the
time its pretty easy to fall off from time to time. Appreciate
evverything you're doing am am most glad you participate in MAGIC!. It
is a great service to magic. Don't worry about me when I fall off the
edge, I like the excitement and the adrenalin (?) rush.
Msg #7681 Dated 11:25:28 03-04-91 7610 <--> 7719
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Standard chink-a-chink fare, but performed with gimmicked flaming
disks. The element of fire does add a powerful dimension.
Msg #7682 Dated 11:26:04 03-04-91
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: MIKE CLOSE BOOKS
Michael Close's new book is called WORKERS NUMBER ONE. For those of
you who don't know, Mike is the head magician at Illusions, an
all-magic restaurant outside of Indianapolis. His book contains four
wonderfully commercial routines that Mike has honed and polished over
the years at Illusions. If you do restaurant or bar work, you really
should own a copy, if just for Mike's thinking. Every detail of each
trick is extremely well thought out. The point of this is that I have
two copies of Mike's book left over from a convention that THE MAGIC
MENU did last weekend. Rather then send them back to Mike (we sold
QUITE a few at the convention last week!), I'd like to offer these last
two to my MAGIC! friends at a reduced price, as Mike was kind enough to
let us have them cheaper, too. They're usually $20.00...we're selling
them for $15. I only have two so the first two messages gets them. It
really is a super book!
Msg #7683 Dated 11:32:13 03-04-91 7649 <--> 7700
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HELLO
Boy!!!
I don't think I'm even gonna START my tirade of disagreement, David!
Msg #7684 Dated 11:34:36 03-04-91 7659 <--> 7693
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WABBITS
Listen here....
Larry Jennings could DOUBLE LIFT a rabbit out of a deck if he wanted
to!
Msg #7685 Dated 11:37:30 03-04-91 7679 <--> 7690
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
The "Prefabricated Magic Act"
----not a bad idea, boys, but CHAVEZ beat you all to it!
Msg #7686 Dated 11:39:12 03-04-91 7625 <--> 7723
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANK YOU
Okay, okay, okay.....I'll WATCH your damn thimble routine when you next
come into town!!! (grimace!)
But will you watch a young friend of mine do his three-hour routine
with TV MAGIC CARDS???!!!
Seriously, my greatest compliment to you is that I probably WOULD watch
your thimble routine and your description of the concept shows that the
most MUNDANE and CONTRIVED effects can be successfully and
entertainingly performed if done with some professionalism and
creativity...two attributes that are not strangers to you, Pete.
Msg #7687 Dated 11:47:07 03-04-91 7628 <--> 7707
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Saw him AGAIN last night, (closing night), and I couldn't agree more.
In addition to being such a great performer, he's also a great
audience! He's always supportive and helpful to his fellow performers
in all fields...from magic to music to comedy. He'll be performing in
the Castle Parlour soon and sez he'll include his egg bag
routine...another example of a simple concept "done to the max!"
Msg #7688 Dated 11:54:56 03-04-91 7647 <--> 7701
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
My regular Houdini Room luncheon group is not meeting this Friday, so
the room might very well be free.
Msg #7689 Dated 11:57:21 03-04-91 -> 7698
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO WAS MILTON
Been wanting to type you for several days since really
getting into "The Man Who Was Erdnase". I wish to thank you, Dr.
Whaley and belatedly Martin Gardner for going to all the trouble
to get this information into our hands. Most impressive is the
amount of information. Every thread is followed much to my
delight touching so many others besides the man who was Erdnase
that I'm sure to come away from my first read with a deeper
understanding of card magic and magic hustlers as a whole during
the first part of this century. What will the turn of the next
century bring? as we're entering another cyclic transition for
magic and the world at large.
I've never seen a first edition copy of the cloth bound
"Expert" but can't help but noticing the shade of green "The
Man..." is bound in. Can it be the same color? As ya'll unfold
the story (I'm about a third into it) I'm beginning to read
almost as much between the lines as on top of them. This book is
mucho fun, and I believe I'm getting to know the expert plus a
lot more. Well, you don't need me to tell you its good stuff.
Just wanted to say thanks from a reader and a friend.
What can we do to help you reach your goal of having a
proper grave stone placed on Milton's grave? I for one would be
willing to help. Raise funds? Dig a hole? You name it.
tabman
Msg #7690 Dated 12:04:58 03-04-91 7624 <--> 7696
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
Pete, here's an idea for you: You build a Del Ray type act with all
the work microprocessor controlled. The software is self-erasing.
Before each performance, the guy has to plug the modem of his table
into a phone line and download the software to make the thing work.
Same time as the software is loaded, his credit card is charged for the
performance royalty. All the guy has to do is act. Push button magic?
Yeah. Sure wouldn't want magic to go this way.
Msg #7692 Dated 12:08:46 03-04-91 7542 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: LOOKING FOR BOOK
Hi David. You might want to check with the author, Joe Bruno. The
address I have is 8601 Lugano Drive, Randallstown, MD 21133. If there
are any left, he's the one.
Msg #7693 Dated 12:09:41 03-04-91 -> 7709
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WABBITS
Best I've ever seen was Mack Picknick with his Rabbit E. Lee. Mack's
trained rabbit found selected cards, all kinds of stuff.
Msg #7694 Dated 12:10:22 03-04-91 7562 <-
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: APOLOGY
Thanks David. Your message surprised me. As I told you, pirates are
unavoidable, even though the tape was priced low enough to be
affordable. My main concern wasn't the pirating of the tape, but the
fact that someone put together cheaply faked packaging and tried to
pass it off as our product, leaving you with a bad impression. I do
appreciate your honesty in correcting this impression.
Msg #7695 Dated 12:23:56 03-04-91 7648 <--> 7738
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
The Japan comparison in _really_ interesting. Is there anyway to get
confirmation of this statistic?
If this is true, we can narrow our search for cultural answers to
a narrower scope -- the tiny scope of difference between occidental and
oriental culture. No prob!
Msg #7696 Dated 12:34:01 03-04-91 7679 <--> 7697
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
I quit smoking (second attempt) not long ago, this time with complete
success. Should you want to hear any of the rationalizing and
self-hypnotic thoughts I kept repeating to myself to help me, I will be
glad to oblige.
Msg #7697 Dated 13:15:46 03-04-91 7696 <--> 7715
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
Anything you can do. I'm having fantasies of hunting down the guy who
invented cigarettes and going over the edge again.
Msg #7698 Dated 13:43:28 03-04-91 7689 <--> 7724
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO WAS MILTON
Thanks Tab. I appreciate the time you're taking to read the book and
to follow and analyze the branching of the "threads" within.
The book is designed to impart the feeling of being "old". The binding
is not exactly the same as the first edition, which was a bluish-green.
We just couldn't find an exact match.
I've talked with my attorney about preliminaries on setting up a fund
for a marker on the grave. I'll keep you informed.
Msg #7700 Dated 14:54:46 03-04-91 7573 <--> 7704
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELLO
Pete: My wife always laughs when I expose myself.
Msg #7701 Dated 14:58:32 03-04-91 7647 <--> 7708
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
David: I would like to attend the un-official Friday lunch, if there
turns out to be one. I'm there every Friday anyhow, as you know my
office is just minutes from there.
At that time, I can bring Abbott's address, as requested in message
7654.
Msg #7702 Dated 15:03:13 03-04-91 -> 7759
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: SAM ASSEMBLY 22
A reminder that there is general SAM meeting tonight, starting at 8:00,
Monday March 4, at the Alhanbra Community Hospital, 100 S. Raymond
Ave., Alhambra, in the community room (basement). If you're still
working out in that area, and get this message in time, hope you will
attend.
TO ALL: Please feel free to visit us tonight.
Msg #7704 Dated 16:11:55 03-04-91 7529 <--> 7720
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HELLO
I think your right.........In close-up table magic you need some comedy
just becouse your so close, you have no chouse than to interact with
the spectators and if your funny you have a better chanes. In the clubs
stand up I mean....what I see ( on TV ) it`s like you say the tricks
are played down....
Msg #7707 Dated 17:33:34 03-04-91 7608 <--> 7787
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
The Triumph was done perfectly and I think I said his entire routine
was nearly flawless. If I didn't, I meant tI have only seen a small
fraction of the magic performances you have so I don't have as much to
compare it to. That was only the second time I have seen triumph
performed even though it is a well known effect. I have seen his stage
performance of the great Tomsoni which is a riot but to tell you the
truth, I enjoyed his close up show much more. Maybe because that is
the kind of magic I am most interested in. Over the next many years to
come after viewing hundreds of other performers at the Castle I will
have a better comparative knowledge on what a really great performance
is and I will better appreciate having seen Johnny Thompson at work.
Msg #7708 Dated 17:47:36 03-04-91 7647 <--> 7754
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
Have just talked to GREG (he's on the board, but too busy to sign on)
and he indicated that he would like to attend this Fri Magic lunch.
He was a last moment joiner at the first Magic lunch and wants to come
this Friday.
David, hope to see you tonight at SAM.
Msg #7709 Dated 18:14:04 03-04-91 7659 <--> 7722
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WABBITS
A dove pan to produce RABBITS? Gee, what a novel idea. Next they'll
be telling me to use a dead pan to produce bad jokes!
Msg #7711 Dated 18:28:11 03-04-91 -> 7765
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: SHAMANISM
But that is exactly my point. There _is_ an anthropological
relationship between tribal shamanism and Henny Youngman.
If you dislike most comedy magicians, I'll hardly disagree, not only
because such tastes are person, and also because I _also_ dislike the
vast majority of comedy magicians. However, I'll continue to dispute
your thesis that comedy and magic somehow cannot mix successfully.
In my last message on this I named some comedy magicians whose work
exemplifies such successful mixing. Your response rejects those names,
as if their artistic validity immediately re-defines them as something
other than comedy magicians. Semantic gaming. They _are_ comedy
magicians, and there are others I could add to that list.
Unquestionably, bad comedy magic is the refuge of lazy, sloppy
performers who think they'll be able to get by with a half-assed mix of
mediocre magic and mediocre comedy -- the result being double
mediocrity. But to reject the entire form for any reason other than
personal aesthetics is not a good idea.
Msg #7712 Dated 18:35:32 03-04-91 -> 7726
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
The issue of women in magic is complex, but I think the most obvious
and primary reason there are so few women in western magic is that the
male-dominated magic subculture does nothing to make women feel
welcome, let alone supported or encouraged.
I know of quite a number of women who, if they signed on to this
BBS and saw the heading "Trick Chicks," would react about the same way
I would if I came upon the heading "Komedy Kikes."
As long as male magicians continue regarding female magicians as
fluff and/or bait, the involvement of women in conjuring will remain
limited.
Magic Circle membership requirements, anyone?
Msg #7713 Dated 19:22:33 03-04-91 7669 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER QUESTION
I am not sure if I still have any "extras" having just moved. I can
take a look. Can you let me know more specifically what type. I assume
you want the one that the cord moves in and locks shorter, so you move
your arms to make the vanish. Unline the flying ring pull. You can send
the message Private if you wish. Also, about what is the value to you
to get one. If I don't have one I might be able to find someone that
does. Best of luck.
Msg #7714 Dated 19:25:42 03-04-91 7672 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RIIIIIIIP !
You didn't steal anything. You are just doing a trick that is in print!
Unless you put them on the new "TEACH AND ACT" video????
Msg #7715 Dated 19:29:50 03-04-91 7679 <--> 7716
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
Just keep tappin' the foot....
Msg #7716 Dated 19:30:11 03-04-91 7685 <--> 7717
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
You noticed!
Msg #7717 Dated 19:30:39 03-04-91 7690 <--> 7718
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
I'll work on it.
Msg #7718 Dated 19:30:59 03-04-91 7697 <--> 7733
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
What does smoking have to do with DUKES DYEVERSION?
Msg #7719 Dated 19:31:25 03-04-91 7681 <--> 7794
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
Standard fare.... cheeez.... does he wear gloves?
Msg #7720 Dated 19:32:22 03-04-91 7700 <--> 7721
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELLO
To whom?
Msg #7721 Dated 19:32:40 03-04-91 7704 <--> 7741
From: PETE BIRO
To: SKIP SANSOUCIE
Re: HELLO
You really don't need SOCKO comedy with magic. Just a light, timely
commentary with some visual gags... and less demeaning stuff with
spectators. We've got to bring back the break-a-way wand!
Msg #7722 Dated 19:33:55 03-04-91 7709 <--> 7743
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WABBITS
Method means nothing. It is the appearance of El Bunny on the table,
with the lady audiences...
Msg #7723 Dated 19:34:42 03-04-91 7686 <--> 7757
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THANK YOU
You should have seen Frank Thompson do his 45 Hour Master Deck card
routine. Here was a genius!
Msg #7724 Dated 19:36:59 03-04-91 7698 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO WAS MILTON
That would be great, Jeff. Then John Booth could have his photo taken
standing next to it!
Msg #7726 Dated 19:40:24 03-04-91 7712 <--> 7760
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
I have another but don't want to offend anyone! Komedy Kikes...
great... I guess I'm a Hungarian humorist (actually Hungarians are
called blockheads in some areas). Boffo Blockhead? Let's kill this
thread!!
Msg #7730 Dated 19:46:34 03-04-91
From: ALVIN MUELLER
To: ALL
Re: ORANGE COUNTY MAGIC CLUB
HI FELLOW MAGICIANS MY NAME IS ALVIN E. MUELLER: I AM SECRETARY THIS
YEAR I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ONE AND ALL TO ARE MEETINGS. A LOT OF OUR
MAGICIANS ARE MEMBERS OF THE ACADEMY OF MAGICAL ARTS,AND IBM RINGS
ALL OVER THE COUNTY. WE WOULD ENJOYED MEETING MORE MAGICIANS.
WE MEET EVERY THIRD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH AT OUR REDEEMER LUTHERAN
CHURCH 12301 MAGNOLIA BLVD GARDEN GROVE CA./NORTH OF GARDEN GROVE
BLVD., JUST PAST LAMPSON ON THE LEFT. PARKING IN THE BACK OR FRONT.
FOR MORE INFORMATION WRITE TO THE ORANGE COUNTY MAGIC CLUB
9852 WEST KATELLA AVE. SUITE 132 ANAHEIM, CA. 92804
OR CALL ME AT 714 778-1979 HOPE TO HEAR FROM SOME OF YOU SOON.
AL AKA DOMINOCUS THE MAGICIAN
AND GLITCH THE CLOWN.........
Msg #7731 Dated 20:21:51 03-04-91 7646 <--> 7736
From: STAN LAKE
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
Wow! I didn't know it was possible to get started in magic without
doing card tricks! There are a couple of effects using a force deck
that have been posted here but I have no idea what their message
numbers are. There has been a suggestion recently about combining all
of the effects that have been posted since Magic! started and making
them available. There are several books and booklets on the subject.
I haven't read any of them but they are in the Castle library. One
that I will occasionally do after doing some standard card routines
with a normal deck is to switch decks and have a card chosen out of the
force deck. Replace card and false shuffle and false cut retaining top
and bottom indifferent cards in place. Wrap deck in a piece of paper
and thrust a knife into the deck, slicing the paper away and lifting
the top part of the deck to show the selected card. I left out a lot
of presentation points and patter but you get the general idea.
Msg #7733 Dated 20:53:26 03-04-91 7718 <--> 7735
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
Sorry, a little over the edge today. Nicotine withdrawal is my only
excuse.
Msg #7734 Dated 22:37:50 03-04-91 -> 7812
From: WILLIAM ZETTLER
To: ALL
Re: ADDRESS/DATE
hi! I would like to know if anyone here on this board has the address
of where i could reach Mr. David Copperfield (kotkin) and/or phone.
also, the same w/ Penn and Teller, any bbs they might be on ect. (heard
they are on compuserve). and finally, i would like to know if anyone
out there would know the exact date of David Copperfield's special and
what type of Illusions he will be doing. any help will be greatly
appreached. thanx...william zettler
Msg #7735 Dated 23:15:46 03-04-91 7697 <--> 7763
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
Hey, Tabman, I sure hope there is a smoker's section at the MAGIC!
meeting or I won't be able to attend! Far as I know, by the way, you
got to get your own breakfast. Concept is that MAGIC! members (and
potential MAGIC! members) will meet, shake paws, etc. and then we will
have a few minutes of presentation on how to use MAGIC! efficiently -
done by the guy who logs on directly and doesn't even have to worry
about using a modem.
Msg #7736 Dated 23:23:54 03-04-91 7731 <--> 7818
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
I caught the earlier description of stabbing the deck on the message
base. Thanks.
Actually I did used to use a few card effects but have since found that
I have less interest and am trying to get motivated at it again.
Msg #7738 Dated 23:45:13 03-04-91 7658 <--> 7739
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
You may be preaching to the choir, Pete. I'm throughly of the opinion
that the magic is in the PERFORMER, not in the cards or zig-zags or
whatever. Someone on here not long ago (but long enough ago for me to
forget exactly who to give credit to) said that the magician is an
actor playing a magician. Not bad! Of course, that "actor" has got to
have that magician in him/her or it won't work. Maybe the idea is --
anyone can do tricks, but only a magician (or magicienne) can do magic.
Msg #7739 Dated 23:51:07 03-04-91 7695 <--> 7746
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Matt Matsuyama is just getting started here on MAGIC! But he is in
Japan and can probably give us the exact counts. As to our culture, it
may depend on how you define magicians/magiciennes - as stage and
straight magic performers, for example, women have been in a minority
(My understanding is that the Castle has about 2,452 magician members
and 48 magicienne members), but on the other hand there are few male
tarrot and palm readers. I believe women are fairly represented in
Voodoo too. Maybe the idea of getting up on a stage and making doves
appear while issuing "comic" patter just doesn't appeal to many women?
Msg #7740 Dated 23:55:54 03-04-91 7660 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANKS GENERAL
Right - There was once a science fiction story ("Or All the Seas With
Oysters," was, I believe, the name of it) in which all the safety pins
that dissapeared turned into coat hangers (didn't you ever notice that
you can never find a safety pin, but that you are constantly finding
extra coat hangers in the closet?). And the coat hangers turned into
bicycles (speaking of which, Sav-On has Bicycle Playing Cards on sale
for $1.39). So maybe all the chairs turn into zombie balls?
Msg #7741 Dated 0:01:14 03-05-91 7662 <--> 7742
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELLO
You should have put that in quotes, Pete. I think it was originally
said by the last emperor of Rome.
Msg #7742 Dated 0:02:01 03-05-91 7683 <--> 7744
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HELLO
Why not? I only do that stuff to Max because I like to watch his
reading speed drop to somewhere close to that of a mere mortal.
Msg #7743 Dated 0:02:16 03-05-91 7722 <-
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WABBITS
I guess that's why The Goshman's phallic sponge ball climax (he heh)
goes over so well?
Msg #7744 Dated 0:07:00 03-05-91 7704 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SKIP SANSOUCIE
Re: HELLO
And comedy can provide relief to an otherwise "suspenseful" situation,
if it is well balanced. But right now, as Pete points out, comedy
rules.
Msg #7746 Dated 0:04:05 03-05-91 7596 <--> 7748
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Bark as you may I feel one big reason is that women get no support from
the male majority. As girls performing magic they are cute but when
they start getting serious it seems this macho magic trip comes over
the males, who hold court exclusive, and they are literally shunned,
not invited to participate and frankly looked down. What, not me, I was
just talking to a female magician and she said she has literally been
told that she can't make it in magic and the melindas are just tokens.
This of course is much more deeprooted than just guys who hand the gals
dove trays but I wonder how many women have just left their rings or
clubs because they "weren't one of the guys". How many Black Magician
I mean African American Female Magicians can you name? This is scary.
Msg #7747 Dated 0:11:46 03-05-91 7664 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GET REEL
Would really like to get my hands on that particular type of reel. I
did just purchase a Kirkendall reel from Howie Schwarzman (via his
Howie-4 catalog here on MAGIC! - Howie-5 is now in the files area) and
it is a beauty! But it is the type where you hold in the button to
keep the line braked and not the type that is in Ring Flyte.
Also ordered a couple of Howie's other items at the same time. He sure
has some interesting stuff!
Offhand, I'd say that the day Joe Stevens puts an Abbott's "hotline" in
at the Desert Magic seminar should be an interesting day indeed!
Msg #7748 Dated 0:19:20 03-05-91 7746 <--> 7750
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
I don't think it has much to do with lack of male suppport. I think as
many men who would discourage a woman because they consider magic
"macho," there are more who would _en_courage them for a variety of
right and wrong reasons, some philosophical, some hormonal...
As to us magicians being a "macho" bunch... huh? We're sort of
the opposite of football players and the like. There's always been a
effete, drawing-room element to all kinds of magic...
I'll buy a _public_ lack of acceptance for women magicians more
than I'll buy an intercraft one. Perhaps the macho guys in our
_audience_ don't like to be fooled by a lady? Perhaps women aren't
encouraged culturally to get the better of men? Perhaps the answer is
in the submissive role women play in Western culture? Or, to put that
a little more sophisticated, the ways in which women are allowed to be
dominant, or equal, to do not include fooling men...
Now _there_ I think we have an avenue worth exploring!
Msg #7749 Dated 0:22:55 03-05-91 7666 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: RING FLITE
You have a very nice method there, Jim. And I really appreciate you
writing it up. Good stuff!
But I wasn't looking for a Ring Flyte, I was looking for the same type
of reel that is usually found in one. The type where you can pull the
line out and set a brake and then have it retract when you tug on the
line. I was planing on doing something other than Ring Flyte with it.
But Ring Flyte is VERY impressive to laypersons (although done rather
frequently) and I think your presentation adds to it, so I may go get
a Ring Flyte sooner or later anyway!
Msg #7750 Dated 0:24:57 03-05-91 7739 <--> 7751
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Interesting point, that about tarot and palm readers. Sort of sheds
light on my answer to Dante Larsen's message. (SEE MSSG #7748.) I
suggested that in our culture men don't like women publically _fooling_
them. But that it's acceptable (barely) from a man...
But, as you point out, women _are_ allowed to be mystical. They
can explore, shed light, and act as conduits for magical energy and
information. (tarot, palm reading...) They can even wield power
(voodoo), when it is genuine. But they can't stand on a stage and
_pretend_. Because that's fooling men.
Men as a whole like women to be a lot of different things. But
they don't want them to fool them.
Whatcha think? I think we're zeroing in on an answer. Let's
explore why this _isn't_ so in Japan. I suspect it has less to do with
the Japanese finding deceitful women anymore acceptable, than it has to
do with how they view magic. (Or are women so submissive in Japan that
their displays of magic are not even a minor threat?) However, I know
less than nothing about Japan, the Japanese, let alone magic from that
region.
Msg #7751 Dated 0:27:23 03-05-91 7748 <--> 7756
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Women play a submissive role in western culture? That's as bad as
"trick chicks". As long as I can remember a female is not "invited" to
perticipate so to speak. The women that are there, on top, must have
worked many times harder than the average male magician to get where
they are with respect. The old school is simply sexist. This will
change, but it will change with time. This is only an opinion, but it's
my opinion and I feel in any local "click" favorites are played and
that woman has to go through hell to prove herself in a tuxedo clad
handing half nekkid women trays majority. Where would a duo be without
. ah never mind, it's only an opinion, But It's My opinion.
Msg #7752 Dated 0:29:34 03-05-91 7670 <--> 7762
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR RELATIVES
To: Arnaud Van Delen
You are so right! Doing magic for relatives is always a problem! And
for the very reasons you mentioned. There may (but only MAY) be a
couple of things that you can do. First, use highly visual magic with
them - flashpaper can often convince them that you are a "real"
magician and not just the grown-up version of the little kid you used
to be. Second, don't let them dominate the show. Organize it like a
real audience - put a few quiet, appreciative relatives closest to you
and let your annoying brother-in-law (or whoever else in your family
makes rude comments) as far from you as possible. Third, don't let
them see the experimental stuff. If you have nothing new that you
really feel comfortable with, do nothing! Tell them you have a cold,
or the magical spirits union is on strike, or something. Here's
another thought - team up with a magical buddy or two - you perform for
HIS relatives and he performs for yours!
I have often wondered what happens when David Copperfield or Michael
Ammar or Max Maven goes to a family reunion. Can't you see them being
given the assignment of keeping the kiddies busy with "that magic stuff
that you do."
Msg #7753 Dated 0:38:28 03-05-91 7677 <--> 7798
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Will know more in a couple of weeks, Jim. But I should be in the
Westport area just before IBM in Baltimore. Is that anywhere close to
where you are?
Msg #7754 Dated 0:39:44 03-05-91 7688 <--> 7755
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
Thanks for the info, Wayne. Will check on the Houdini Room in the
morning. Let's see -- so far for the informal MAGIC! luncheon at the
Castle on this Friday, March 8th, we have David Luther, Kent Cummings,
Michael Ammar, Marvin Stern, Gregg McKay and me. Anyone else? Plan to
start at 11:30 (a.m.).
Msg #7755 Dated 0:43:59 03-05-91 7701 <--> 7788
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
Yes, Marvin, by all means DO bring Abbott's address. Just don't show
it to anyone.
Msg #7756 Dated 0:39:09 03-05-91 7751 <--> 7769
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Are you seriously taking issue with the notion that women play a
submissive role in Western culture? If so, that's about as
_un_liberated a notion I've ever head. And unenlightened. What was
the feminist revolution about? And has it been completely won?
Please don't mistake my statement of an obvious truth as a
condonement. I am not applauding the facts, only acknowledging them.
I will not spout forth a litany of statistics to prove that women
still take a back seat. As to the heading "Trick Chicks..." How about
a sense of humor, guys?
Not matter how much people make it taboo to mention ugly
little truths --like women not being treated equally, still-- it doesn't make
them go away. Instead of taking exception to phrases like "trick
chicks" and statements like "women play a submissive role in Western
culture," take a stand -- if women are equal, then your thesis of why
they aren't bigger in magic holds no water. If women still aren't
being treated equally, then why are you taking issue with me?
Msg #7757 Dated 0:54:26 03-05-91 7686 <--> 7795
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THANK YOU
Actually, Pete, the complete Master Deck routine was eighty hours long.
(I am not joking.)
Msg #7759 Dated 0:57:41 03-05-91 7702 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SAM ASSEMBLY 22
Alas, I wasn't in Alhambra today. But I do look forward to seeing you
on Friday. Please don't forget to bring Abbott's address.
Msg #7760 Dated 0:45:39 03-05-91 7712 <--> 7764
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
As the originator of the "Trick Chicks" heading, I take offense with
your comparison of it to "Komedy Kikes." Not only is this obviously
lacking in any sense of humor, your statement is down right
inflamatory. The phrase "chicks" is obviously toungue and cheek.
"Chick" as a word has referred to women, generally affectionately,
for decades. Used in this forum it has a humorous quality that I am
certain you detected.
"Kike"," however, is a word of hate. As "Goldstein" is a
Jewish name, as "Katz" is, I assume you have been on the other of this
word.
So why is "Trick Chicks" acceptable and "Komedy Kikes" is not?
Because, frankly, no one has practiced genocide against "Chicks" in the
last century. And anyone who found "Trick Chicks" as offensive as
"Komedy Kikes" should be sent straight to some kind of orientation
program for the 1990's.
I am a liberal politically. The sensivity you display to the
term "trick chicks" is a left-ist one. But it is not from the wing of
leftist political thought that protects speech and political liberties,
By making your egregious comparison, you seek to halt dialogue, to
allow certain sacred cows to only be discussed with dread seriousness,
to examine the politcal correctness of your own and my speech, then to
swat me down with racist comparisons if I don't meet the test.
Perhaps you think I am reactiing strongly. But I think your
statement was clearly comparing my words ("Trick Chicks,"l lest you
forget) to a clearly racist phrase ("Kike," lest we forget that). This
is wrong-headed, intellectually dishonest, and a unfair and unfounded
accusation.
By the way.... Loved "Focus"!
Msg #7762 Dated 1:00:20 03-05-91 7752 <--> 7771
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC FOR RELATIVES
When Max Maven goes to a family reunion his relatives have enough
understanding of his work to realize that it is not designed for
children -- let alone for "keeping the kiddies busy." Too, they have
enough respect for his work to refrain from expecting him to perform at
all, in the same way that the doctors in attendance are not expected to
give diagnoses, the teachers are not expected to give lectures, and so
on.
Msg #7763 Dated 1:00:19 03-05-91 7697 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DUKES DYEVERSION
Remember:
--When you start telling yourself that you deserve a "treat," of a
cigarette, that you can reward yourself, that you deserve it... (sound
familiar?) that this is the _drug_ talking. Not you. Learn to hate
the addiction, not love it, to want to squash it, vanquish it.
-- Also, another helpful thought... If you start smoking again,
you're just ultimately going to have to go through your last few days'
agony all over again! Because you have to quit, some time.
--Also, remember that you will feel the positive effects in a
matter of a few days or weeks. You'll need less sleep. You'll have
more energy. Your _face_ will look better. And your hands. Food will
taste better. Get Johnson&Johnson dental picks. They are wooden
toothpicks that come in a pack, like cigs. I carried them around,
ripped one out of the pack when I wanted something in my mouth.
Above all, do not succumb! It gets better! This s**t will kill
you!
Msg #7764 Dated 1:03:16 03-05-91 7760 <--> 7766
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Disagree if you choose, but my statement has no intellectual
dishonesty. It's a red herring to bring up the topic of censorship; I
did not suggest for a moment that you not be allowed to use the term
"trick chicks," but rather that the term was offensive. Debating the
comparative degree of societal persecution of women vs. that suffered
by Jews is pointless. It's a question of degree (like being a little
bit pregnant). Discrimination is discrimination. _You_ may think that
the term "chick" is affectionate; these days, few women do.
Msg #7765 Dated 1:03:52 03-05-91 7711 <--> 7792
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SHAMANISM
If there is a relationship between tribal shamanism and Henny Youngman,
Max, I'm afraid you are going to have to take me by the hand and lead
me through it. I'm perfectly comfortable with the threads that connect
magic and religion (by the way, if you haven't read Marion Zimmer
Bradley's "The Mists of Avalon," you might find it mildly interesting),
the connections between cathedrals and movie palaces, and even the
relationships between cargo cults and corporate data centers, but
shamanism and Henny Youngman?
As to "semantic gaming," I've always been rather anti-semantic myself.
I think that we are in agreement that there are good performers who can
make comedy and magic live well together, and that the majority are
just "lazy" and "sloppy" and use bad comedy to cover bad magic, hoping
that somehow the two together will make the audience respond. On a
"personal aesthetics" level I even enjoy good "comedy magic." I'm just
not sure it is "magic." I think it is something else.
Maybe it is something else I'm searching for here - maybe I really
don't know what "magic" is. Do you?
Msg #7766 Dated 1:13:39 03-05-91 7712 <--> 7768
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Max! I didn't know you were Jewish!
Msg #7768 Dated 1:08:39 03-05-91 7764 <--> 7772
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Listen, sorry if I came on a little strong. Offensive-ness is in the
eye of the beholder, I agree. All I can say is that if we polled a
random group of educated Americans, you'd find few who'd find "trick
chicks" as offensive any any phrase using the word "Kike."
We live in an over-sensitized world, where these sensitivities can
obscure truths. Where an Immoral Minorty can hold tryany over a
nation, deciding what ideas and words are wrong and offensive. I am
not comparing you to Falwell, but your comparison was a censorious act
(word?). Discrimination is discrimination, I agree. To bring up the
matter of why women aren't big in magic is not discriminatory, it is
concerned. And my discussions on the matter were sober and not glib.
You can laugh at the word "chick." I can, my girlfriend can. And we
can do it without guilt. This is not true of "Kike," and I suspect you
know that.
Your reaction was not intellectually dishonest, I agree. It wasas
oversensitive. Attack the bigots and sexists who deserve it, not the
thinking-people who choose to spice their discussions with a little
humor.
By being as upset at these words as we are, we give them too much
power. I submit, though, that horrible, violent things have been done
alongside the word "Kike," and it is unfair to put me or my words in
the same ballpark.
Obviously, the Dice-man will not be welcome on MAGIC!
Msg #7769 Dated 1:20:49 03-05-91 7750 <--> 7770
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
I do have one female friend who has stated your thesis - that men
resent being fooled by women. Maybe there are some components like
that, but I think that it may be that many women haven't been
interested in being magi. Maybe it just hasn't appealed to them?
After all, in many ways, some of which you outlined, it is a rather
strange pursuit. I think Pete is having lunch with Jade - maybe he can
get a few of her views?
Msg #7770 Dated 1:25:15 03-05-91 7756 <--> 7773
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Uh, oh! Here comes a can of worms! Want my personal view? One that
will probably get me thrown right off of MAGIC!? OK - here it is -
isn't is possible that the "feminist revolution" has very little to do
with "equality?" That while its roots may have had something to do
with that issue, that, over time, it simply became the platform for a
litany of overage tomboyism? That whatever men did must, perforce, be
better than whatever women did?
Before some of you jump on my case, I'm going to suggest that we try
our best to confine this topic to one with a magical relationship.
And, in exchange, I will call up one of my best feminist friends, who
also dabbles in magic, and see if we can't get her to join us here.
Msg #7771 Dated 1:30:48 03-05-91 7762 <--> 7804
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR RELATIVES
You must come from a very unusual family, Max. I used to say that when
I went home it only took me 3 days before I was a nine year old.
Others have told me that that is unusual - it only takes them two days
before their mother is saying, "Did you remember to change your
underwear." Your family REALLY doesn't expect free diagnoses from the
doctors? That is almost more amazing.
Msg #7772 Dated 1:41:38 03-05-91 7760 <--> 7783
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
I am sorry -- but if you don't see the parallels between racism and
sexism, it is you who are not living in the 90s. You might take a poll
of the women you know, and find out what they think of men who refer to
them as "chicks"; you may be surprised. You might also take a look at
the statistics regarding women's pay, promotion, etc. -- and then
wonder if, were you in their position, you would find demeaning terms
humorous. Make no mistake about it; "chick" is a demeaning term, and
no woman with an ounce of self-respect will put up with it.
Msg #7773 Dated 1:47:21 03-05-91 7746 <--> 7797
From: T A WATERS
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Wise words, Dante -- and depressing. It's stuff like this that makes
the issue of "trick chicks" important. Magic has always been somewhat
conservative/reactionary -- not surprising for an art that for the most
part stopped dead in 1935 -- and it would be nice to drag it kicking
and screaming into the 20th century before we get to the 21st.
Msg #7774 Dated 6:59:26 03-05-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: "TRICK SLICKS"
I wish I had something to contribute to the women in
magic discussion, but must bow to the current diatribe. As far as
I'm concerned, people are people. Men like men (mostly) for
different reasons than men like women (and vice versa). Joe
Giandalone (NY piano tuner) says we never outgrow the "boy-girl
war".
Being married to a top female athelete I've seen first
hand the bitter discrimination the "good ole boy network" has
used to put them "in their place" (Gloria only woman in history
to make all male military olympic 300 meter team and then got a
gold medal with much harrassment by mostly scandanavian males).
I'm large macho biker looking individual and kept most of it away
from her. When asked by a macho colonel from Norway how I liked
shooting, I said" Not bad for a girls sport" and completely blew
his cover (he lost match was so pi**ed).
Until we become robot clones, I still believe we are free
to choose our friends and associates. It is our choice to make,
remembering that a person is judged by the company they keep.
"Wise" old farmer down road asked me why I cared what others
thought of me. He said, "people should worry about what you think
about them."
tabman will be offline til tomorrow. Leaving for NYC in
an hour or so. Bone Pony's first gig in the Apple. I'll ask some
of the rock-n-roll girls who hang out back stage if they'd object
to being called "trick chicks" if they were into magic (probably
get my throat slit). Bye for now ( I hope ).
Msg #7775 Dated 7:01:01 03-05-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUTO SUGGESTIONS
Thanks for the suggestions, Evan. It's a b*t*h (can I say that word?)
Msg #7776 Dated 7:02:08 03-05-91 -> 7777
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: MAGIC! B'FAST
If we have to get our own breakfast, I'll bring the oatbran bagels.
Msg #7777 Dated 8:13:53 03-05-91 7776 <--> 7782
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC! B'FAST
Sounds good to me, Tabman! And a lot more reasonable than the pizza
bagels. L.A. right now seems to be into "fusion food." Ninja pizza
didn't hit it too big, but there is a middle eastern Mexican resturant
near here that seems to be doing OK.
Somehow, though, we got to get this place back to MAGIC!
Msg #7779 Dated 8:29:40 03-05-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAGIC-NL
Re: CAGE PULL
Attn: Tommy Wonder -- I do have a birdcage pull available to sell. It
is a German copy of the Martin take up pull. I just have to establish
a price. Let me know if you are interested.
Msg #7780 Dated 8:33:49 03-05-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SCANNED MSGS
I have downloaded at 2400 baud all the latest msgs... thanks to Evelyn
Wood School of 2400 baud reading... I caught some of the stuff. Trick
Chicks... hah, will check jout with Jade (having lunch with her today).
Msg #7781 Dated 8:53:21 03-05-91 -> 7784
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FARO BOXES, ETC
Am interested in learning more about second dealing boxes and faro
boxes as described by Fulves in his Brainwave Principles and History
Book. Would like to make some up of exotic wood. Help?
Msg #7782 Dated 8:55:30 03-05-91 7777 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! B'FAST
OK.
Msg #7783 Dated 9:07:38 03-05-91 7772 <--> 7785
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Let me touch on one word -- IRONY. It is the key to much humor, as
well as Penn & Teller's act, and it has been missing from many
magicians for years, as well as this discussion on my phrase "trick
chicks"
In addition, if you find yourself spending time with women who find
the word "chick" as offensive as the word "kike," I suggest you
re-examine them closely, as they are bores and quite possibly shrews
and should not be tolerated unless they are very attractive, or rich,
or both.
For those of you who are unsure of how to take that statment, see
line one of this message. I am referring to the word that begins with
"I" and ends with "Y"," but is not "idiocy," which is the level that
these knee-jerk reactions about the word chick has sunk to.
If you read my message with anything more than the most cursory
attention, you will find me _agreeing_ with you. I am just not so
terrified by the possible rejection of women to have lose my sense of
humor about the whole thing!
And the next time _anyone_ suggests "chick" is as offensive as
"Kike" and its companion word "nigger," I have a few bars to take you
to where you are free to explore the reaction to publically shouting
each.
Msg #7784 Dated 9:29:01 03-05-91 7781 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FARO BOXES, ETC
I will bring some FARO stuff to L.V. tab, we can do some great things
and I had not thought of you, but have something STRONG in mind...
Msg #7785 Dated 9:30:27 03-05-91 7783 <--> 7801
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Hey, if you say Nigga to a black friend that is somewhat OK, yoiu have
to know... but to say NiggeR look out.... there is too much here to
discuss on magic... not an easy subject... so.... TAKE A CARD!
Msg #7786 Dated 9:31:30 03-05-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: ONE MSG FITS ALL
Wow!!! What a thread we got going.
I think Tricky Chickies would be better, tho.
Lots of subjects and for budget reasons here is a "one message
fits all".
Magic for relatives. Hmmmm. I guess my mother said the part she
didn't like most was my always asking someone to take a card
while they were sitting on the toilet.
Hey, when you have a captive audience take advantage!
Reminds me of Ben Martin's business card, with the line: "No
Shi**y Tricks!"
I wish I knew the answer to the lack of female magical
performers. Altho I have noted that almost ALL of the ones that
have gone through with it, and gotten on stage (that I have seen)
Celeste Evans, Dell O'Dell, Aniko, Jade, Melinda, The Good Gypsy,
Judy Carter, several Japanese, who's names escape me, Sara
Kabagujina -- ARE ALL EXCELLENT **PERFORMERS**. Maybe their
judgement is better than the average Dorky Male Magician and if
they aren't good enough, or ready, they don't leap onstage and
make fools of themselves???
As a "hirer" of acts, I am ALWAYS on the lookout for minority
acts, (women especially) that are available. Wish there were
more.
Dante mentioned a real lack of African American Females. Based on
their ability to PERFORM in the music field and if that energy
was applied to a variety act, Magic being one, such a lady would
be in great demand. Interestingly, an entry in the Desert Seminar
came from a Chinese Girl (Jade was already entered) that was
totally different than Jade in style, content, etc. She was short
on content but my guess is she will soon be a factor if she
doesn't give up.
When you quit smoking, "You will look better, feel better, food
will taste better" --- HEY I HAVE NEVER SMOKED WHAT DO I DO TO
ACCOMPLISH THE ABOVE?
Tabbooo -- I would have loved to see the look on the Norweigian
Colonel's mug! Keep tightening the bass strings...
1951 Laptop - David -- 'twas a Smith Corona Portable, powered by
10 fingers. Hope to bring a reel to L.V. And will have GIFT for a
number of MAGIC! members there (not visitors unless I have
sufficient supply).
The Goshman Phallic Sponge really didn't play that well here, but
the biggest market was Japanese men.
More on the Femme question... there is also difficulty in my
profession, for them, and that is sports reporting/photography.
Msg #7787 Dated 9:55:36 03-05-91 7707 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
One of my magician/mentalist friends was a bit disappointed in Johnny's
close-up show because he "only did those old, time-worn routines."
I ENJOYED the fact that Johnny performed some of the "classics," did
them justice (which sheds some light on WHY they've become classics),
gave credit to the originators of the routines, and thoroughly
ENTERTAINED the delighted audiences.
Msg #7788 Dated 10:00:41 03-05-91 7754 <--> 7830
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
Unless something urgent comes up, I'll be there, David.
Msg #7791 Dated 10:15:37 03-05-91 -> 7833
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WABBITS
Gee. I had just gotten interested in rabbits, and even thought of
writting a movie about this old guy, who had a 6' invisible rabbit. I
think I will call him Harvey.
But now the board has moved from rabbits to chicks. A friend of mine
worked on the film Killer Tomatoes, maybe a movie about killer chicks
would work out.
Msg #7792 Dated 10:05:12 03-05-91 7765 <--> 7796
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: SHAMANISM
Are you suggesting that we go back to the days of the mystic magician
in conical hat and wizard robes???
A very great number of the better working magicians use comedy in their
acts....including Michael Ammar, Johnny Thompson. Is Chuck Fayne a
magician or a comedian? How about Carl Ballentine? Jeff Hobson? Terry
Seabrooke? Billy McComb? Tom Ogden? Doesn't Johnny "Ace" Palmer use
comedy in his act???
Sure, there are some lazy magi who rely on comedy to prop up an act
deficient in magic. So what? Do you condemn an entire school of magic
for it? There are a lot of lazy magi who rely on DOVES to prop up a
magically deficient act. Same with FIRE! Same with ridiculously
throbbing MUSIC and/or STROBE LIGHTS!!! (Anybody see "Angelica" last
week at the Castle?)
Is someone here gonna tell PETE BIRO to stop thinking comedically? I
hope not!
As a Comedy Magician myself, I would MUCH rather make an audience laugh
than make them WINCE like some of the violent "Tragedy" Magicians do!
I'd rather see Carl Ballentine than Richard Diamond ANY DAY!!!
Msg #7793 Dated 10:26:28 03-05-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PHAROH BOXES
Great!!! I'm really almost outa here this time...will get back more
tomorrow....tabman
Msg #7794 Dated 10:27:50 03-05-91 7719 <--> 7820
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
You're a silly man, Biro.
Keep it up.
Msg #7795 Dated 10:29:34 03-05-91 7757 <--> 7805
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: THANK YOU
Who was still awake to time it? (Besides Frank Thompson?)
Msg #7796 Dated 10:33:57 03-05-91 7792 <--> 7800
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SHAMANISM
Ammar is hilarious and will soon havem laughing all over the planet.
Here, here The Great Ballantine!
Msg #7797 Dated 10:42:16 03-05-91 7770 <--> 7803
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
I agree, let's get back to magic. I was just a little shocked to hear
my words compared to "kike." IToo many men have had "sensitivity"
pounded into them, so that it becomes rote. I repeat: lest anyone
wonder whether or not "Chick" is as offensive as "kike" or "nigger," I
suggest they go into a bar, shout, "There are some wonderful chicks in
here," "There are some wonderful kikes in here " and "There are some
wonderful niggers in here." The varying reactions these statements get
will act as a quick lesson in what is offensive and what isn't.
Come on guys, stop this pathetic whining!
Msg #7798 Dated 11:34:57 03-05-91 7753 <--> 7836
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Westport is about thirty minutes away. I'd be more than happy to get
together with you. Keep me posted...
Msg #7800 Dated 16:25:45 03-05-91 7765 <--> 7819
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: SHAMANISM
Yes, I do.
Msg #7801 Dated 16:27:26 03-05-91 7783 <--> 7807
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
And in turn, I could take you to bars where "chick" would get the crap
beat out of you. There was a time when that term had no pejorative
quality. That time has passed -- about twenty years ago. It's time to
catch up.
Censorship? I'll defend your right to use obnoxious terminology at
any and every occasion. However, I won't defend the terminology itself.
Perhaps I should reiterate my original point: the problem with the
heading "trick chicks" is that if a woman were to sign onto this BBS
(or for that matter a man with any degree of political sensitivity),
that person would be uncomfortable and repelled by the heading.
This is not a matter of "over-sensitivity" but rather just plain
sensitivity combined with common sense.
In no way am I disagreeing with you on the interest you show in
exploring the question of women's participation in magic. Indeed, the
world of magic is rampant with sexism, racism and homophobia, and it is
an issue few have addressed. (In fact, I have raised such issues in
magic journals in the past, and can tell you that most magicians don't
particularly care about the issue.)
Msg #7802 Dated 16:28:41 03-05-91 -> 7817
From: KARL RHODES
To: ALL
Re: P & T'S BBS
Hello all,
Hi i'm Karl (a new member) my "stage" name is SEDOHR
I have been looking for the number of Penn & Teller's BBS
if you know what the number is i would be deeply grateful if you'd tell
me .......... thank you .....RICHIE
Msg #7803 Dated 16:34:32 03-05-91 7797 <--> 7808
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Don't raise terms like "pathetic whining" unless your glass house is
heavily reinforced.
The fact that, in most bars, "chick" would not raise an eyebrow only
indicates that, in most bars, there are few women in a position to
object.
Your protestation reminds me of a situation a couple of years ago.
A writer in a magic magazine described the "gag" of dropping a Chinese
coin on the table and commenting, "You can tell it's Chinese -- listen
to the 'chink'!" I wrote a letter in response, and subsequently had a
well known magician "explain" to me that the joke is "cute" and
inoffensive.
Yeah? Well, I was offended by it.
Msg #7804 Dated 16:38:37 03-05-91 7771 <--> 7826
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC FOR RELATIVES
My family started treating me as an adult right around the time I
became one.
Msg #7805 Dated 16:41:47 03-05-91 7795 <--> 7806
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THANK YOU
When Frank worked, no one slept. Miracles.
Msg #7806 Dated 16:51:20 03-05-91 7805 <--> 7821
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: THANK YOU
Yeah, (sigh!), would love to have been there but, I must admit, after
75 hours straight, even I would have been dozing during the five-hour
finale! (Maxwell House stock would've SOARED due to my valiant attempt
NOT to miss anything, though!)
Was it ever recorded, even in part, on film?
Msg #7807 Dated 17:26:11 03-05-91 7801 <--> 7813
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Let's bury the hatchet on this one -- we're obviously never going to
agree. I felt the irony was obvious, Max.
Msg #7808 Dated 17:27:53 03-05-91 7803 <--> 7823
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
I submit again -- if you find youself hanging around with women so
utterly lacking in a sense of humor as to be offended by the word
"chick," make sure they are very pretty or very rich.
It's a JOKE, Max, get it? Feel free to be offended, feel free to
suggest the term might be sexist in some quarters, but don't compare it
and me to a racist! To someone who uses the terms "kike" or, now,
"Chink."
You can either laugh at the horrible things that surround us or
bother to be offended. You've made your choice. But I bet my blood
pressure's lower.
I really would like to reach some sort of terms here, which I don't
believe we're doing when you bring up the "Chink" story. How's this --
it is not my purpose to offend you, nor anyone else. I think the term
"trick chicks" was _clearly_ used in a tongue-in-cheek manner -- as it
accompanied a rather sober discussion. I'll give you the benefit of
the doubt and apologize for your feeling offended, and you give _me_
the benefit of the doubt and recognize that this is not a capital
crime, that it was clearly done in humor, and that my words by action
as well as intent do not qualify up there with the collection of racist
name-callers you've put me with.
How 'bout it?
Msg #7809 Dated 18:00:36 03-05-91
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS!
Re-reading you message, I find myself agreeing with one point -- that
the heading in question might have offended women who signed on. I
submit that it would have been more effective to point this out
withouth the analogies I found offensive.
I've got my hatchet at the bottom of the ditch. How about yours?
Msg #7810 Dated 18:00:19 03-05-91 7671 <-
From: RANDY LUND
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: THANKS FROM HOLLAND
Thanks for the greetings and greeting from America's heartland,
Kalamazoo Michigan. This area, over thru Holland Michigan, has a great
Dutch tradition and a large percentage of people with Dutch ancestory.
My business gets me to Europe several times a year and frequently I fly
thru Amsterdam. Maybe on one of my trips we can get together for some
real magic....good Dutch beer or something.
Randy Lund
Msg #7811 Dated 18:13:49 03-05-91 7638 <--> 7837
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: NOTES FROM EVERYWHERE
Now there's a law i'm familiar with. Up here in Northern CA, we had
that law for a while, but dropped it last year. I hate to make you
jealous, but up here today is the first time in about a week that is
HASN'T rained!
Msg #7812 Dated 18:19:53 03-05-91 7734 <--> 7815
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: WILLIAM ZETTLER (X)
Re: ADDRESS/DATE
David Copperfield's next special will be on April 9, 1991 on CBS at
8:00. As for the illusions he will be doing, if you have the Nov. 1990
issue of Genii, read "D.C. in Jakarta", which talks about some of his
new illusions.
Msg #7813 Dated 18:20:24 03-05-91 7768 <--> 7816
From: RANDY LUND
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Have you guys heard of the latest craze "Politically Correct Thinking"
etc. which seems to be sweeping the campus' of our nation amoung other
places. Come on, lighten up a little or we will soon all be so worried
about exactly what words we use where we will find our selves saying
nothing to no one about anything for fear they may be offended now or
at some future time.
Msg #7815 Dated 18:24:58 03-05-91 7734 <-
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: WILLIAM ZETTLER (X)
Re: ADDRESS/DATE
I wrote to you in message 7812, I found the Genii I mentioned. Here are
some of the illusions: A close-up effect, where a crumpled piece of
paper dances on a selected person's palm, another paper effect where
the paper is shaped into a flower. It floats up and down, then changes
to a real flower! Those are just a few, and I don't garantee they will
be in there, but most of david's show winds up on his specials sooner
or later.
Msg #7816 Dated 19:12:02 03-05-91 7813 <--> 7824
From: EVAN KATZ
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Right on!
Msg #7817 Dated 19:48:14 03-05-91 7802 <--> 7911
From: JIM SISTI
To: KARL RHODES (X)
Re: P & T'S BBS
The P & T BBS is called MOFO EX MACHINA and the number is (212)
764-3834. When you connect, hit RETURN twice. And, don't be fooled by
the first stuff you see...it looks like you accidentally logged on to
a NYC traffic computer system. Just wade through it and eventually
you'll see the P & T main menu. By the way, the password is "MOFO."
Msg #7818 Dated 20:12:09 03-05-91 7736 <--> 7843
From: STAN LAKE
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
Personally I would say don't worry about getting motivated to do card
tricks again. Magic should be fun, not a chore! If you are more
interested in coins or paper or dice or whatever, do that instead.
However, if you hang around the Castle enough you are bound to see some
really great card effects which just might motivate you to learn them.
Why do you like to do magic in the first place? Do you like to
entertain others with a trick or two or an entire routine?
Msg #7819 Dated 21:01:00 03-05-91 7800 <--> 7834
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SHAMANISM
So do I -- and it ain't the tricks
Msg #7820 Dated 21:01:31 03-05-91 7794 <--> 7850
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
No I refuse to keep it up... WHAT DID I JUST SAY? Rescind that.
In China do they call the trick CHINK A CHINK? I forgot to ask Jade.
I once heard it called JAP A JAP.
Msg #7821 Dated 21:02:44 03-05-91 7795 <--> 7822
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THANK YOU
We watched in shifts.
(pun intended)
Msg #7822 Dated 21:03:25 03-05-91 7806 <--> 7851
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THANK YOU
Acatually you might recall I called it the 45 hour master deck. It only
seemed like 45 hours, but was in fact longer.
Msg #7823 Dated 21:04:23 03-05-91 7797 <--> 7828
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Gee I never thought of useing the word Wonderful first. I'll be back
and try it again down the corner biker bar....
Msg #7824 Dated 21:07:00 03-05-91 7801 <--> 7825
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Most magicians (message to Max) (and others) don't seem to care aboaut
magic. Just trick The kind they get from Chicks?
Msg #7825 Dated 21:08:22 03-05-91 7813 <--> 7829
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
I made it back across the manacing San Francisco Bay Bridge. I
always remembered, as a child, the FEAR crossing that structure
as you could look down through the "street" surface and see the
water -- and of course I always thought I would fall through.
So, beat the odds again. Had great Dim Sum with Fanny Tjin AKA
Jade. Spoke a little about her start. Said she was very, very shy
and wound up, after coming over from Taiwan, working in a shop in
San Francisco that sold novelties and magic tricks. She learned
to do some of the tricks to "sell them" and enjoyed
demonstrating, finding the better your performance the better
chance to make a sale.
An acquaintance was a street performing Mime and she thought if
she put on the white face and took some tricks out she might make
some money as a street performer. She did. Only trouble, hiding
behind the white face didn't hide her eyes, and people would say,
"aren't you the girl that works in the magic store up the
street!"
She didn't have much opinion of why or why not more lady
performers, but does really believe it is the performance not the
tricks, citing the example of her act using established standard
effects taking her to the Gold Medal at the IBM last Summer and
recent standing ovations at other conventions, like the Columbus
Magi Fest.
Spoke with a few other friends (ladies) and asked them what they
thought of the phrase, "TRICK CHICKS" and one said, "how about
DECEPTIVE DICKS, think guys would like that?"
So, I guess 40 years ago guys called gals chicks -- but probably
not to their faces. Other terms, like Dames, Dolls, Twists,
Broads, etc. go over today like the proverbial lead balloon.
One guy said, "have you ever thought of booking a whole show of
GAY DECIEVERS?" Told him, "I already have, but I didn't tell
anybody!"
It goes on and on... (I still like Komical Kikes, Max -- any of
the Borscht Belt guys ever use that one?)
You know I firmly believe people take themselves too seriously.
One group gets all bent out of shape if someone does a racial
gag, but if you lose ANY sense of humor it's too late for you...
Arsenio was accused of Gay Bashing and he put it well saying,
"Hey I'm a comedian, I do funny stuff an everybody, blacks,
whites, gays, rednecks...."
So in closing, I leave you with this one important thought!
(Stole that line from Falkenstien)
Msg #7826 Dated 21:10:17 03-05-91 7804 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR RELATIVES
What a great message!!!!!!!!!!! Max, you're too much!
Msg #7828 Dated 22:50:18 03-05-91 7823 <--> 7841
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
Har.
Msg #7829 Dated 22:55:33 03-05-91 7825 <--> 7831
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Trick what? Komical who? I awake from a bad dream where I waste away
my work-hours spitting out BBS message after message... And all for
naught! Will it make my magic better? My screenplays tighter? My
loveable personality any more loved? It appears not. Farewell, sweet
message string, I may never make my peace with you, but I will remember
you always.
And have you heard the one about... Ah, never mind.
Msg #7830 Dated 23:03:35 03-05-91 7788 <--> 7853
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
Great! Look forward to seeing you there. Haven't heard from David
Luther yet, so I hope that the guests of honor are still on schedule.
If not - we'll have a good time anyway.
Msg #7831 Dated 23:01:58 03-05-91 7825 <--> 7845
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Definition, "Chick" [Webster's New World Dictionary]
1. A young chicken
2. Any young bird
3. Child: term of endearment.
4. [slang] (not vulgar) A young woman.
..
Definition, "Dick" [Ibid]
1. A nickname for Richard
2. [Slang] A detective.
..
So, Pete -- why would these women friends of yours be calling us
"deceptive detectives?" I don't get it.
..
I thought we were finished with this but...
YES, may I have another!
Msg #7833 Dated 23:35:19 03-05-91 7791 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: WABBITS
A flick about killer chicks! Great idea, Marvin! I can see it now -
Jane Fonda in the leading role. Have to do it after Easter tho - right
now all the available chicks (and wabbits) are already consigned to the
pet stores.
Msg #7834 Dated 23:38:29 03-05-91 7792 <--> 7835
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SHAMANISM
Actually, I rather liked conical hats and wizard's robes. Don't know
if the Castle would consider that "appropriate evening attire" though.
Msg #7835 Dated 23:40:53 03-05-91 7800 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SHAMANISM
Glad to hear it, Max. Now, would you like to share that definition
with us?
Msg #7836 Dated 23:42:33 03-05-91 7798 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: HEBA HABA AL
Will definitely keep you posted. Schedule hasn't quite been firmed up
yet, but it looks like the weekend before IBM.
Msg #7837 Dated 23:44:25 03-05-91 7811 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: NOTES FROM EVERYWHERE
We actually got several days of rain down here! Don't know if it
landed in the right places, but it did mean that the sprinklers were
shut off, etc.
Personally, I think that G-d is out to get the Metropolitian Water
District. Everytime in the past two months they have issued a new
rationing plan, she has sent the rain.
Msg #7841 Dated 23:54:11 03-05-91 7756 <--> 7842
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
I think we have just had a great exercise in which a group of men
debated the fate of women. Sounds awfully familiar to me!
BUT - I am serious about cutting off this debate. If it relates in
some small way to magic, OK, fine. But generalized social policy - No.
Now here is how we cut off debate in this freewheeling open
architecture system - I stand up on my monitor and shout "Please,
folks, KNOCK IT OFF!"
Msg #7842 Dated 0:09:05 03-06-91 7841 <--> 7869
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
agreed!!!
Msg #7843 Dated 0:25:37 03-06-91 7818 <--> 7928
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
I am trying to make the transition from being able to do a few tricks
to having a bonafide routine. I did some small magic shows during
jr and sr H.S. and in college. I now find that I have a renewed
interest in becoming more that just able to do "tricks". I find that I
spend much of my time trying to educate myself through reading and
watching other Magicians and just get frustrated because I want to be
so much better than I feel I am. All good things in time...
Msg #7844 Dated 0:31:04 03-06-91
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: COINMAGIC
Coinmagic arrived today in fine shape. After a quick look through I
find that it will be a most valued addition to my collection. Thanks
again. Thanks also to Stan for standing aside.
Msg #7845 Dated 0:39:26 03-06-91 7783 <--> 7846
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
I am afraid I didn't make my point -- so let me try once more; it isn't
whether YOU consider the term chick offensive, or I do, but what the
woman thinks of it. A person may not understand why a black might not
like being called a "darkie" --- but that is irrelevant, if in fact it
does offend them.
One other thing: I see this kind of sexism all the time in magic,
particularly when a male performer is working for women. In the
Closeup room of the Castle a few years ago I saw a man who is supposed
to be a hot trade show performer doing lines to the two women that
should have got him slugged. One of the reasons women may not like
magic or magicians is this notion that sexism is somehow less important
than racism -- and that isn't good for magic. Cruel humor is one
thing; tasteless humor another; but humor based on bigotry is only
funny to bigots. I don't mean to come on strong, but it is impossible
to overstate the importance of this. Andrew Dice Clay is looked down
on by most people past the age of puberty; let's not encourage his
equivalents in magic by pretending sexism doesn't matter.
Msg #7846 Dated 0:46:55 03-06-91 7845 <--> 7847
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Dear T A:
..
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the most offensive thing eewriuofmk 1238 #$%#$% in the world! I
can't believe you WREWWE sdfjkl 345435 that way! And furthermore,
qwmvbe dsjkfir fgjkiw fgjfg.
..
I'm sdfsdf a little sdffds problemsdfsdf with line noise
here. What I sdf dfs erall really sdfsdf meansdfsd to say assa
is sdfs the final dsfsd word on sdfds womensdfds in magic asda is
asdasdjk?! So there! Dfjklj! Sasdjk sdjksdjj, djfdskj! Hah!
..
I'm glad we could talk this over like gentlemen. Now drop the thread
or risk the curse of the Chain Thread.
..
Ciao.
Msg #7847 Dated 0:54:39 03-06-91 7846 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
What?
Msg #7849 Dated 1:32:54 03-06-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE KUCERA
Re: CALIFORNIA MAGIC
Steve: I just thought of a great bit for California magi to perform
this summer - Turning Wine Into Water!
Msg #7850 Dated 2:30:39 03-06-91 7820 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHINK-A-CHINK
ohhhh..NOOOOO!!!
Pete...let's NOT start yet another thread on "racism" and "sexism" in
magic!!! This is worse than the in-depth discussion on Abbott's
address!!!
Msg #7851 Dated 2:34:02 03-06-91 7822 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANK YOU
Spectators ordered coffee two cups at a time...so they could get a
"double lift!"
Msg #7852 Dated 2:46:40 03-06-91 -> 7854
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: RELATIVES
- Messages to/from US -----------------------------------------------
LOCAL008 -
Msg : 42 of 42 Loc
From : Arnoud Van Delden 2:1/1.1 05 Mar 91
14:40:00
To : Magic-Us
Subj : Magic for relatives. to David Lichtman...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
Thanks for the reply... Good to hear everybody suffers from
this phenomenon. The questions you get are also great:
--- 'Are you nervous already?'
--- 'Did you ever perform for {people you don't know} / {money}
/ {so many people}?'
--- 'Where do you buy your tricks?'
--- 'Do you know this one?....'
--- 'I liked the first one but the other was quite obvious (now
some silly method follows) But nobody but me saw it...'
The reasons are ofcourse obvious. Indeed better to refuse now
and then! But this automatically generates another question
after some time: 'Do you still have magic as a hobby?'....
See Ya, Arnoud...
Msg #7853 Dated 5:10:34 03-06-91 7830 <--> 7855
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
Will be checking with Ammar later today, Kent and I will be there for
sure, last conversation with Mike he was still working out plans....but
was flying out mid-day Thursday....... will update later today/tonight.
Msg #7854 Dated 7:55:01 03-06-91 7852 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: RELATIVES
To: Arnaud Van Delen
Amazing! The questions are exactly the same in Holland as they are
here in the U.S! Perhaps the best answer to the last one, "Do you
still have magic as a hobby?" is "NO! I took up lion training. Would
you like to see my new act?"
Msg #7855 Dated 7:57:02 03-06-91 7853 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER
Re: FRIDAY LUNCHEONS
Great! Really looking forward to seeing you and Kent. And I hope
Michael can make it - I have a modem ready to loan him.
Msg #7856 Dated 9:22:04 03-06-91
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC/WAR
Sorry it has taken so long to read your message but have just got back
from a 3 week business trip. I don't believe all the message traffic on
this board. Will have to download and reply later. Anyway the reason I
wrote this reply is to inform you that PRODIGY has a FREE message to
the Gulf service also.
Msg #7857 Dated 9:27:28 03-06-91 -> 7866
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: ALL
Re: RING 21 FLASHPAPER
THE FLEMING FLASHPAPER
MARCH 1991
=====================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NEXT MEETING MARCH 7 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Our next meeting will be held at the Wattles Mansion on
Thursday, March 7, 1991. Doors will open at 7 pm. The business
meeting will begin at 8 pm.
Immediately following the meeting, we will have a Close-up
workshop. This will be a hands-on workshop not a lecture.
Three workshops will be going on simultaneously and they will be
repeated 3 times. Will Chandler will lead a workshop on the Ring and
the Rope. Please bring a finger ring and a 32 inch velvet cord. (The
cord should be available at a fabric store.) Celeste will be doing a
workshop on the coin matrix. Please bring a close-up pad, 4 Half
Dollars, and a deck of cards. Arnon Sincoff will be showing us the
Twisting the Aces Routine and the basic utility move to perform this
effect. Please bring a deck of cards.
=====================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DAY-OF-MAGIC UPDATE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
We have just added lectures by Michael Ammar and Loren Micheals.
If you haven't done so yet please get your tickets now. Call Will
Chandler at (818) 286-1937 for more information.
=====================================================================
++++++++++++++++++++++ TELEVISION APPEARANCE ++++++++++++++++++++++
Steve Bauer and Marianne Wittelsberger (Yours, Mime, and Ours)
will perform their gunshot routine on the Rick Dees Show (Into the
Night). This routine was performed at our -EST night competition last
year. The Rick Dees show is broadcast at midnight on Channel 7 (ABC)
in Los Angeles. Steve and Marianne will be on Thursday March 14th.
Mel Stein will be acquiring a block of tickets for the show. (It is
taped late in the afternoon at ABC studios in the Los Feliz area.)
Contact Mel Stein at (818) 567-2798 for more information.
=====================================================================
(((((((((((((((((((((((((( OTHER BUSINESS )))))))))))))))))))))))))
The Magic Palace in Glendale is now doing Magic Traffic School.
If you want, no, have to attend traffic school here's on you might
enjoy. Call 800-339-1128 for info. The school is also looking for
magicians to be instructors at the traffic school. Contact Jim or
Bruce for info (818) 246-1128. The Magic Palace is located at 716 N.
Glendale.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Stein is looking for magicians interested in performing on a
TV show still in its planning stages. He is looking for all types of
acts. Contact Mel at (818) 567-2798.
(NOTE FROM DARRELL: For all of you Magicians here on the MAGIC!
Network that have been discussing Magic or the lack thereof on
television then this is our chance. Mel Works for ABC and he is one
of the people heading up this project. Mel is also a Magician himself
so hopefully it won't be some hookey television production.)
=====================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOOD AND WELFARE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
AL Goshman has passed away. In his honor, The Magic Castle will
be holding a special reception on March 10 from 5-7 pm.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Rick Rasmussen is still in the hospital. Cards and visits are
appreciated. Cigna Hospital, 1711 Temple Room 804, Los Angeles, CA.
90026.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
A card has been sent from Ring 21 to Oscar Pollstin who is
recovering from an illness. Cards may be sent to 1730 Camino Palermo
#317, Los Angeles, CA. 90046.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
We were informed by Harry Shaffer that he is recovering from a
fall that lead to numerous complications. Ring 21 has sent a card and
i am certain that all positive communication is appreciated. Harry
may be reached at 7812 Zelzah Ave. Reseda, CA. 91335 or (818)
776-1834.
=====================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPCOMING EVENTS <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
---------------------------------------------------------------------
March 7 Regular Meeting
March 9 Magic Castle Awards Banquet
March 10 Al Goshman Reception 5-7 pm at Magic Castle
March 14 Steve and Marianne on Rick Dees, Midnight on ABC
March 21-24 Desert Magic Seminar, Las Vegas
April 4 Ring 21 Meeting - Comedy Competition Night
April 9 Magic of David Copperfield XIII
May 2 Ring 21 Meeting-Kids Night (We will start at 7pm)
May 4 DAY-OF-MAGIC II (GET YOUR TICKETS NOW!!!)
=====================================================================
THE FLEMING FLASHPAPER is the official newsletter of the
International Brotherhood of Magicians Caryl Fleming RING 21 in
Hollywood California and is uploaded to MAGIC! as a courtesy by
Darrell Murphy.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
For further information about Ring 21 contact President Joe Selph at
(213) 660-2998.
Msg #7860 Dated 13:02:31 03-06-91 -> 7875
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MOSTLY MAGIC
Dear Pete:
Back from Big Apple just now where I had the "crap" beat
outa me by a large group of closet motorcyclists wearing
suspenders who objected to my use of the words "wonderfully cute
bikie people". Wish I'd read Dr.Lichtman's KNOCK IT OFF message
before trying the experiment as was most anxious to bring you
results of my research for MAGIC! Also, since none of the back
stage girls would even talk to me anyway (kept trying) can't
offer anything else as I don't want the "C" beat outa me by an
angry mob of MAGIC! members headed by their great leader "Rowdy"
Lichtman. Soooo, I appologize in advance for having nothing to
say.
Got great fortune cookie at Katie's Magic Chinese Cuisine
in the Village "Listening is for wisdom. Speaking is for
repentance."
Must be spring as saw great street mojo man? working
Bleeker Street but since ina hurry for soundcheck no time for
name. Hope to seek out again ona return trip as was quite good.
Also same was juggler. Any ideas from Apple dwellers? Wish I'd of
had time to go down the block and around the corner to Magic
Restaurant for dinner, but fortune cookie was worth trip and will
work harder at heeding.
Looking forward to stuff on FARO BOXES. Also, have you
read "The Man Who Was Erdnase" through. Am now around page 200 as
did much reading on the bus and more great stuff to read now that
I'm home. Will be interesting to discuss book with you when we
have the time.
Keep your head down.
your friend,
the tabman
sg #7863 Dated 14:25:29 03-06-91 -> 7864
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: ALL
Re: TV
Forgive me if this has already been posted, but have not been able to
read the latest messages...
The L.A. Times TV guide lists Joseph Gabriel as appearing tonight on
the "Tonight Show." Don't know if this is a repeat but either way
should be a good bit of magic since Joseph is excellent...
Till later...
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #7864 Dated 15:45:13 03-06-91 7863 <--> 7885
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: TV
Thanks GeekMan.
Msg #7865 Dated 16:29:55 03-06-91
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: MIKE CLOSE BOOK
OK...here's the scoop. I have one copy of Mike Close's book "WORKERS
NUMBER ONE" left. It contains routines that Mike has finely honed
over the years at Illusions, the magic restaurant in Indianapolis,
including a killer version of Card Warp and Mike's movable hole
routine which is done with your business card (which is then left in
the hands of the spectator). Good, commercial, hard-hitting material.
It goes for $20 in the shops...I have one left at $15. We sold quite
a few of them at the New England Magicians Convention. Let me know.
This copy goes back to Mike on Friday if no one wants it.
Msg #7866 Dated 16:36:21 03-06-91 7857 <--> 7906
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: RING 21 FLASHPAPER
Where is/what is the address of Wattles Mansion? Am going to try and
make the 3/7 meeting.
Msg #7869 Dated 19:06:28 03-06-91 7841 <--> 7876
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
I agree, dear sysop, enough of that debate!
Oh, by the way, did you see the article in the L.A. times today about
the baby born in San Diego that was ACTUALLY half man/half woman?
Yes, it had a penis, AND a brain...
(Sorry, couldn't resist...)
Msg #7870 Dated 20:18:45 03-06-91 -> 7887
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: UNOFFICIAL MAGIC! LUNCH
Just heard from David Luther that he, Kent Cummings, Michael Ammar,
and, possibly, Michael's wife Hanna ARE planning to attend the informal
MAGIC! luncheon at the Magic Castle on Friday (March 8th) at 11:30 a.m.
If anyone else who has not yet informed me is planning to attend,
please tell me RIGHT AWAY.
Msg #7873 Dated 21:43:34 03-06-91 -> 7893
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: TONIGHT SHOW
Just tuned into Johnny Carson and caught a magi about halfway through
the act. Smooth as silk, though. Ended with an Asrah. I didn't catch
the name, though. Anybody know?
Msg #7874 Dated 21:49:21 03-06-91 -> 7898
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: GOLDSTON BOOX
Anyone know how many Issues of Goldston's Magical Quarterly there wer
were? I have Vol. 1, Nr. 1, thru Vol. 5, Nr. 4. I have some duplicates
as well.
Msg #7875 Dated 21:51:17 03-06-91 7860 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MOSTLY MAGIC
Haven't read all yet. Tarred. Just finished putting ALL MY BOOKS ON
CARD MAGIC in alphabetical order! Whew. Next will be close up.
I got all the Goldston stuff on one shelf. Teh Albo/Fechner/Harbin
stuff on another.... A full shelf on Vernon/Slydini (they all deserve
their own categories).
Hack atcha later, hope the Bikers didn't do you like an LA COP!
Msg #7876 Dated 21:53:22 03-06-91 7869 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: TRICK CHICKS
You are fired!
Msg #7885 Dated 0:37:56 03-07-91 7863 <-
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: TV
Just caught this act. It was nice!
Msg #7887 Dated 0:42:07 03-07-91 7870 <-
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: UNOFFICIAL MAGIC! LUNCH
David,
I would like to attend...however the last time I said I was going to
the lunch, my boss phoned the next day to tell me I had to go out of
town for 3 weeks. I will come if you remove that curse so I don't get
sent to some far away place AGAIN.
Thanks in advance!
Msg #7888 Dated 0:43:37 03-07-91 -> 7890
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: MAGIC! LUNCH
Does remove curse involve doing in boss? If so, no can do - against
rules of the Castle. But if you can make it, do show up! Maybe if we
leave it informal in your case you'll be safe.
Msg #7890 Dated 0:45:24 03-07-91 7888 <-
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC! LUNCH
Sounds like a plan, I will not plan to be there so I can come. See you
some other time after the curse is gone. Do you get it? I will be ther
but not really!
Msg #7891 Dated 0:46:11 03-07-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: MAGIC! LUNCH
Yep! Maybe it'll even -NOT- work! That way we can see you!
Msg #7893 Dated 3:03:27 03-07-91 7873 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: TONIGHT SHOW
The magician on Carson Wednesday night was Joseph Gabriel.
Msg #7898 Dated 12:20:46 03-07-91 7874 <--> 7926
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOLDSTON BOOX
Pete, GOLDSTON'S MAGICAL QUARTERLY was published through V6, No.4;
(Sept. 1940).
I'd be interested in your duplicates.
Thanks.
'Wayne.
Msg #7899 Dated 13:14:40 03-07-91 -> 7930
From: MARVIN STERN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FORCE DECK
I assume that the recent force decks that you made-up were all poker
size. However on the off-chance that some were bridge, I need some
bridge size blue back red fours.
Do you have any?
Msg #7900 Dated 14:10:12 03-07-91 -> 7918
From: JIM HOY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: REELS
I have heard, though I have no personal experience, that guys use a
reel that was originally meant to hold keys. I have seen various
maintence men with them on their belts. A bunch of keys hang from it,
the guy pulls it out, unlocks something, lets go of it, and the keys
fly back to the base of the reel. Don't know if they come with a lock
or not. John Kennedy advertises a reel with a 40 foot pull!!! This may
be too much for what you want. George Kirkendall of Columbus, Ohio
makes a variety of reels. I've had one or two of his and they work
well, but they are too small for what you want. You might write him and
see what he has to offer. Later.
Msg #7901 Dated 14:18:43 03-07-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: SLATE SECRETS
Wanted to say thanxz for putting me in touch with Al Mann. Got a note
from him today from Great Cacapon, WV. He said he knew I was gonna
write and that you would be sending me. WOW! Seriously, he has the
stuff I need. Thanks again.
Msg #7904 Dated 14:52:53 03-07-91 -> 7955
From: WILLIAM ZETTLER
To: ALL
Re: VIDEO TAPES
Hi! I'm looking for anyone that has all or most of David Copperfields
shows (1-11) I don't have anything to trade but i am willing to pay for
them (copy or orginal). Any help greatly appreached. thanks
ps: even if you can give me an address to where i may buy them through
a magic or video shop.
thanks again...
William
Msg #7906 Dated 15:17:59 03-07-91 7866 <--> 8055
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: RING 21 FLASHPAPER
Marvin:
A few months ago I uploaded a file to the files area called MAG1.ASC
which is a ASCII text document that give detailed directions from just
about every which way you could come. Download this file and you will
have everything you need to get there. This months meeting should be a
good one if your into close-up. See ya there.
Msg #7907 Dated 15:21:23 03-07-91 -> 7921
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: GET A LIFE
Who's buying the next round???
Msg #7908 Dated 15:55:51 03-07-91 -> 7922
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: FRI LUNCH
Just wear your yellow MAGIC button and everyone will know who you are.
Msg #7909 Dated 16:01:16 03-07-91 -> 7927
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC PERSON WANTED?
If you speak English and French fluently and have the
necessary documents allowing you to work in France (and have
talent, etc) EURO DISNEY is looking for performers, designers,
technicians, etc, etc.
Will open Spring 1992 (just a year away) the Magic
Kingdom just may be looking for you. Send your resume stating
areas of interest to:
Professional Staffing
Euro Disneyland
S.C.A., B.P. 110
94350 Villiers-Sur-Marne
France
Who knows, maybe this is just what you've been looking
for, I hope so. EuroDisney is 32 k from Paris and will be 1/5 the
size of this famous city.
Msg #7910 Dated 16:02:06 03-07-91 -> 7929
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: NEW BOOKS
- Lots of new books just out right now. I hope some of our
more bookey members will take it upon themselves to review some
of the new stuff.
- Illusionist Ken Alan has an ad on the front cover of this
weeks Amusement Business newspaper.
- Hey Pete, where is the phone # to the circus bbs as I'm
looking for a human cannonball rig. I've got somebody I wanna
shoot out of a canon.
Msg #7911 Dated 16:09:36 03-07-91 7817 <--> 8147
From: KARL RHODES
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: P & T'S BBS
thanks jim i have been looking for it for about 3 mo.
Msg #7912 Dated 16:19:21 03-07-91 -> 7931
From: JIM SISTI
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
Stan...do you have any poker force decks left? I'm not particular
about the value/suit. They were Bicycles, weren't they? Please
advise. I'll take two if you still have them.
Msg #7914 Dated 18:21:15 03-07-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: TV MAGIC
Whenever I get a chance, I like to video tape magicians. Currently I
have about 14 or so hours on video tape. If you have any information on
upcoming appearance by magicians on talk shows, etc., or magic specials
(Thanks but I know the next copperfield special is on April 9th),
please let me know. If you live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and know
of any local magic specials, let me know also.
Also, does anyone know who was hosting A&E's Evening at the Improv,
when Harry Anderson appeared on it, I'm trying to videotape it, and my
local listings on list the host.
Last but not least, does anyone have copies of Copperfield 1-10? I will
pay for them. Please leave address, price, and which specials.
(Or you can leave out the address and if I want your tapes, i'll just
contact you via MAGIC!)
Msg #7918 Dated 20:09:59 03-07-91 7900 <--> 8060
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM HOY
Re: REELS
Thanks for your info, Jim. I've been told that the keyring type is
similar too, but haven't had a chance to check it out. I got a
Kirkendall reel from Howie Schwarzman (via his catalogs here on
MAGIC!). Will see if Kirkendall also makes the other type. Small is
OK, don't need a ton of pull - just need that pre-set brake and tug to
release.
Msg #7921 Dated 20:14:10 03-07-91 7907 <--> 7961
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: GET A LIFE
I think it is your turn, Darrell. Just get everyone's order and put
your MasterCard in the diskette slot.
Msg #7922 Dated 20:14:51 03-07-91 7908 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FRI LUNCH
YES, I will be wearing my MAGIC! button. We can't have the Houdini
Room, but we will have a table. See you in the morning (Friday, March
8th).
Msg #7926 Dated 20:40:55 03-07-91 7898 <--> 7938
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: GOLDSTON BOOX
I have thru V5, No. 4 (I guess I need V6) will you be at Seminar jour
or would you like me to mail you the dupes. Trade for V6's???? Let me
know.
Msg #7927 Dated 20:43:02 03-07-91 7909 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC PERSON WANTED?
Bon sour mon ami
Msg #7928 Dated 20:33:18 03-07-91 7843 <--> 8061
From: STAN LAKE
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
I think that's great that you are putting more emphasis on a routine
than on knowing a bunch of tricks. If you are reading books on show-
manship, etc. that will help even more. You probably already kn ow
enough effects to put together a nice routine right now. Arrange them
so their is a logical sequence and you will be able to flow from one to
the next. I found that when I just knew a "bunch of tricks" I wanted
to show them all to everyone and I would frequently forget many of them
as they came tumbling out one after another, so to speak. You might
have a couple of different routines depending on your situation.
Sometimes you will be seated at a table and sometimes you will be
standing up without a flat surfaceE to work on. Anyway, routining
helped me and I'm sure you'll benefit fr m it also.
Msg #7929 Dated 20:43:22 03-07-91 7910 <--> 7932
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
There is a truck with canon on it parked in a storage lot you can see
from the 405 Fwy in L.A. belongsd to the Zucchini's (I have a great
photo I took of them in the circus years ago). When I log off will look
for the nr and post next trip manana! Adios Mon ami (French are no
longer called Frogs, but Kermits!)
]
Msg #7930 Dated 20:50:03 03-07-91 7899 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FORCE DECK
The only kind of cards I made up were poker sized red back.
Msg #7931 Dated 20:53:18 03-07-91 7912 <--> 7933
From: STAN LAKE
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
Sorry Jim, I'm all out of the force decks. I still owe Burt Carpenter
my last two decks since the ones I sent him were lost somewhere along
the way. If I am ever nuts enough t do it again, I'll let you know.
(You should have seen my living room floor when I was splitting all of
those decks up!)
Msg #7932 Dated 21:23:35 03-07-91 7929 <--> 7945
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
Gracias, amigo.
Msg #7933 Dated 21:24:02 03-07-91 7931 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: FORCE DECKS
Lake-Lichtman Forcing Decks are now collectors items and climbing in
value every day and I've got two of those babies.
Msg #7935 Dated 22:37:21 03-07-91
From: RICHARD HART
To: BURT CARPENTER
Re: BOOKS
Have received both books, Burt. Thanks a bunch! (And a tip-o-the-hat
to Max Maven for the nice inscription in Focus, too.) I'm kinda eyeing
that new Elmsley book. Do you carry it too, Burt?
Msg #7936 Dated 22:40:33 03-07-91 -> 7937
From: RICHARD HART
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: GENII
Just got ahold of the Stewart James issue of Genii. What a wonderful
issue! A standing ovation to all those involved in its creation.
Encore, encore!
Msg #7937 Dated 23:03:43 03-07-91 7936 <-
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: GENII
Thanks Richard but I must stand aside and offer your kind words to Max
Maven, He really went all out on that one. Thanks again Max.
Msg #7938 Dated 23:04:23 03-07-91 7926 <--> 7967
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOLDSTON BOOX
Sorry, Pete...I don't have any V.6 to trade you. I'm afraid it would
have to be a trade for "grease-in-the-palm," "dinero," "long green,"
"filthy lucre".....whichever you choose. I will keep an eye out for
V.6 for the both of us, though. It sometimes amazes me how often and
unexpectedly one comes across such things!
Msg #7939 Dated 23:09:48 03-07-91 -> 7941
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: SYSOP
Re: LUNCHEON
David...
I'll be in a recording session tomorrow mid-day, so it looks like I
won't be able to attend the luncheon. I hope it's not too late to
offer my seat to someone else who may be able to attend.
Msg #7940 Dated 23:11:06 03-07-91 -> 7948
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WABBITS
Hey, thanks for all the nifty info on rabbits. Unfortunately my wife
say the info and is now determined to get one, and I'm more disposed
toward getting one. The 'fooled' routine is typical of the type of
magic I'm doing as a clown....the magic happens despite my best
intentions. Can you (or anyone) recommend a good place to buy
livestock apparatus, or books/plans on same? The area is completely
new to me.
Thanks again. I'll keep you updated on Wobbles' Wabbit Saga.
Dave "Wobbles"
Msg #7941 Dated 23:14:14 03-07-91 7939 <--> 7943
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: SYSOP
Re: LUNCHEON
If I get through early, I'll drop by for dessert. Many thanks.
Msg #7942 Dated 23:13:56 03-07-91
From: DAVE MAGNENAT
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ETC.
Got the item..thanks! Believe it or not I had never seen Blaney
before! (Dare I mention that in this esteemed company?)
Thanks also for your comments on rabbits. Looks like I'm going to be
adding one to the act, since about 80 percent of my business is kid
shows and NOBODY in the area is using animals (not even the "real"
magicians). And I'm just a clown....Hmmmmm.
(a clown with a decent closeup act, I might add).
Well, thanks again.
Dave "I'm going to see Copperfield live for the first time ever next
month in Seattle" Magnenat
Msg #7943 Dated 23:17:26 03-07-91 7939 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Thanks for letting me know. We'll work out the seating. Just will be
sorry not to see you there - unless you do manage to show up for
dessert.
Msg #7945 Dated 23:34:49 03-07-91 7910 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
Can't go so far as to give you a review, as I haven't finished my first
pass through it, but the new Elmsley book so far is *fantastic* --
exceeded my expectations, which were pretty high. I'm a little
irritated they keep referring to Volume II, but the book is big as it
is, and is not full of filler.
.
What other new books should we all keep an eye out for?
Msg #7948 Dated 0:26:34 03-08-91 7940 <--> 8118
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVE MAGNENAT
Re: WABBITS
Dave,
I'm happy my info on rabbits was helpful to you. As for where to
purchase livestock apparatus, I'm afraid you're on your own. You can
try the dealers in the area: Hollywood Magic, etc. Or Abbott's (you
can get the address from our gracious Sysop...) However, if you're at
all inclined to working in wood, a mirror box production is fairly easy
to make, and to my mind, the best for producing the little critter. If
you'd like, I'll grab mine, measure it, and upload a construction
plan... Let me know.
_richard
Msg #7949 Dated 0:33:52 03-08-91 -> 7994
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: EDITORIAL FRAIKSON
Do you have any idea when and if the rest of the Editorial Fraikson
(sp?) books will be translated into English and published here? I'm
looking particularly for part two of "52 Lovers." Part one was a
tremendously terrific book, wasn't it?
.
Thanx.
Msg #7950 Dated 0:33:26 03-08-91
From: RICHARD HART
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: GENII
Dante tells me you had a large part in the creation of the Stewart
James issue of Genii. Just wanted to let you know that your efforts
were much appreciated on this end. An absolutely _splendid_ creation.
(Almost as good as your Annemann Memorial Parade in the Linking Ring a
few years back...)
Thanks to you both.
Msg #7951 Dated 0:37:24 03-08-91 -> 7968
From: RICHARD HART
To: ALL
Re: LETTERMAN SHOW 3/7/91
Gee, I can't wait! Kaymar the discount magician is on Letterman
tonight. Oh no! I'm out of video tape. Curses! Should I record over
my Slydini on Cavett? Erase Copperfield XI?
Naaa....
Msg #7952 Dated 3:02:01 03-08-91 -> 7957
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: OVETTE MASTER MOVE
- Messages to/from US ------------------------------ LOCAL008 -
Msg : 49 of 50 Loc
From : Arnoud Van Delden 07 Mar 91 19:08:00
To : All
Subj : Ovette Master Move
--------------------------------------------------------------
Hey! Does anybody here knows where I can find a description of
the 'Ovette Master Move' or can anybody describe the essentials.
This is a card control method inwhich the selection goes to the
bottom. Thanx! Arnoud...
.
PS I'm not looking for al kinds of methods to bring a selection
to the bottom, but for info about the 'Ovette Master Move'.
Msg #7953 Dated 3:03:37 03-08-91 -> 7970
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC FOR RELATIVES
- Messages to/from US --------------------------------- LOCAL008 -
Msg : 47 of 50 Loc
From : Tommy Wonder 07 Mar 91 01:40:00
To : All
Subj : magic for relatives
-------------------------------------------------------------------
My solution is quite simple. I do not perform for my relatives. The
only situation I have sometimes done magic for my relatives is when
someone came over who lives very far away, who had never seen any-
thing of me before. Then in such a case I would do my regular stuff.
The rest of the family may have seen it before(although for all of
them it is so long ago, they will not remember it very well) but they
still enjoy it, also to see how this distant memeber of the family
reacts to it. Once it is known you do not perform for your relatives
there is no problem left. I perform so seldom for them, may be once
in 5 years or so, that also the problem of them knowing the effects
is not there. I just do my professional routines for them. Still i
must admit that even in this situation I do not like performing for
them, because the reactions tend to be different than what I get from
strangers.
Kind regards, Tommy..
Msg #7954 Dated 3:04:22 03-08-91 -> 7971
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC
- Reports (convention/lecture) ---------------------- LOCAL003 -
Msg : 4 of 12 Loc
From : Arnaud Van.Rietschoten 12 Feb 91 00:52:00
To : All
Subj : Description of Layman acts
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Hello All!
.
We (magicians) always meet each other on conventions, on club
meetings, and on these occasions always try to baffle eachother
with another unbelievable move, another impractical routine, etc....
I often wonder what do you do when you perform for a layman
audience??
I believe on those occasions you play it the 'safe' way, so sure
fire effects with a maximum of response. This are routines you have
built out throughout the years; the parlando has grown, the presen-
tation has become much more personalized.
I also think especially those effect we never perform for eachother
since they are usually not that special for magicians. However, I
think, specially since they have become so personalized, they are
interested for fellow magicians to be watched.
.
So I would like to suggest to describe your own layman act; what do
you do when you perform for, say, Mr. President??? I will start off
by describing some effects I usually do. Also when you watched
another fellow magician, please also describe what he did.
.
I think those descriptions, can be interesting to read, as well as
very valuable for yourself while working on your own act.
.
Arnaud
.
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL Home of the Wizards +31-23-388725
Msg #7955 Dated 3:07:07 03-08-91 7904 <-
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: WILLIAM ZETTLER (X)
Re: VIDEO TAPES
William I do have all David Copperfield shows on video, not all on
NTSC (the US system) but at least 6-7 shows, including the first show
that was an introduction show to a new CBS TV season.
I live in Holland, so note postage m,ight be a bit higher. I would
appreciate to exchange my tapes for some of yours.
If you are interested in my video list (with many TV shows from US and
Japan, ca 200 tapes..). Write me:
Arnaud van Rietschoten
De Kamp 81
1991 BK Velserbroek
HOLLAND.
Please inform me what you can offer me for exchange.
Bye,
Arnaud
Msg #7957 Dated 5:32:45 03-08-91 7952 <--> 7969
From: JIM SISTI
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: OVETTE MASTER MOVE
Also known as the Kelly Bottom Placement, the Tarbell Course has a
pretty complete description.
Msg #7958 Dated 5:34:13 03-08-91 -> 7973
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: KAMAAR
Just wondering if anyone caught last night's Lettermen show and the
latest of a seemingly incessant number of appearances by Kamaar the
Discount Magician. It's too bad that this guy has such little respecty
for himself and the art of magic to allow himself to look like such an
inept amateur on national TV on a regular basis. I mean, he can't be
stupid enough not to know that he looks like an ass. What's even more
ironic is that he walks around magic conventions like he owns them,
apparently oblivious to the low regard in which he is held by his
fellow performers. It's sad, really. Everytime he's on, it looks like
he went to Tannen's, bought out everything they have by MAK Magic, took
a glance at the instructions while he was in the green room, and then
performed it. Two-bit, gaudy, proppy-looking props, no presentation
and no style...the perfect foil for Letterman. Oh well...
Msg #7960 Dated 7:55:01 03-08-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JEFF BUSBY (X)
Re: BOOKS
Ho, got book of magic today. Most interesting.
Msg #7961 Dated 8:00:18 03-08-91 7921 <--> 7979
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: GET A LIFE
Ok David I just put my MasterCard in the disk slot now what????
Msg #7962 Dated 8:13:05 03-08-91 -> 7964
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABLE TOP
Pete: Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. It's one of the
inherent problems of having to travel so much. Anyway, glad I could be
of help. Sounds like you have a pretty neat den.
Msg #7964 Dated 8:24:22 03-08-91 -> 7974
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABLE TOP
Pete:
Have you been making and eating those special brownies again????
Msg #7965 Dated 8:25:21 03-08-91
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: FRANK ZAK
Re: MOVING
Frank: I just got to thinking, now that you have given up your place
you won't have anywhere to entertain your friend Cynthia (in private).
Are you familiar with the rope thing? Kevin O'Malley got it for me.
Said it is a very old thing that somehow got lost. If you know the
source let me know. Well, bye for now old buddy. Harry
]
Msg #7967 Dated 8:46:19 03-08-91 7938 <--> 7996
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: GOLDSTON BOOX
OK for you...........
Msg #7968 Dated 8:47:25 03-08-91 7951 <--> 8001
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: LETTERMAN SHOW 3/7/91
Why not just watch the show, commit it to memory and burn the evidence?
Msg #7969 Dated 8:48:05 03-08-91 7952 <--> 8021
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: OVETTE MASTER MOVE
It has been re-invented as the Kelly Bottom Placement. Look that up and
you have Joe's move (Joe was Ovette's first name).
Msg #7970 Dated 8:48:57 03-08-91 7953 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR RELATIVES
I once performed for my In Laws and they paid no attention. They think
magic is for little children.... (It was my last try on them).
Msg #7971 Dated 8:49:58 03-08-91 7954 <--> 7978
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC
I think your best ever, Fred Kaps was a perfect example. look at the
magic he did at conventions and the tricks he did for laymen.
Koornwinder will tell you. It is the simple, entertaining material Fred
did for layment, Chinese Sticks, Professor's Nightmare, Spot Card...
Msg #7973 Dated 8:51:36 03-08-91 7958 <--> 7989
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: KAMAAR
Yeah, but He got the job! The director/producer must like him and he
delivers WHAT THEY WANT... Like an actor playing the part of a
magician. That is the part they want. Sad to say....
Msg #7974 Dated 8:52:41 03-08-91 7962 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: TABLE TOP
Only thing better would be a DEN OF ENIQUITY....
Msg #7976 Dated 9:02:03 03-08-91 -> 7982
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CANON
Tabman-do here is the BBS for Circus/Vaudeville 415-337-8693
Did I hear someone say on here the Elmsley Book was avialable?Hemmm.
Msg #7977 Dated 9:15:16 03-08-91 -> 8025
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: QUIET INSANITY
AMEN!!
Msg #7978 Dated 8:54:38 03-08-91 7971 <--> 7986
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC
Lately, for laypersons, I have been doing "proppy" magic. Not
necessarily gaffed self-working props, but simply things that are
highly visual and entertaining. I like to do a routine that has a
fairly consistent "story line." They seem to enjoy routines that are
structured like that.
For example: I have a Clarence Miller (Chalet Magic Co.) "Impossible
Penetration." This is a very nice wooden guillotine "finger chopper"
in which the finger ends up INSIDE the wooden blade (the finger is in
a hole and the "blade," a piece of wood approximately 7 cm. x 10 cm.).
I dress it up with a routine - first I mention how, although I love
close-up magic, it always seems that the stage magicians get all the
"thunder" because they do "death defying" acts. And how I have decided
to do a "close-up death defying act." Then I bring the guillotine up
onto the table, wrapped in a silk. Meanwhile, I start a tape recorder,
playing Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. I expose the guillotine.
In front of the guillotine I place a small basket. I then demonstrate
the guillotine, using a toy doll (the doll was prepared by removing the
head and placing magnets inside so that it holds on pretty well until
I chop it. The magnets are painted red and when the head is "severed"
I usually get a reaction). Then I say that we will try it again, this
time with someone's finger (I usually get a laugh here. When possible,
I try to have a lady with nice long, red fingernails seated next to me)
pointing out that I didn't say that -I- would be the one defying death.
We edge her nervous finger into the guillotine and I produce a toy
ambulance with a siren and flashing lights that races across the table
and stops near the guillotine. I tell her to be very careful NOT to
remove her finger, no matter what (this is necessary so that I can show
the penentration - if she removes her finger too soon people don't get
to see that). Then when all is ready, I do the chop and the
revelation. Proppy. (By the way, I am after a nice looking visual
fingernail in this - not just another female victim. I suppose that if
Teller was there, I could use his red fingernail just as well).
An audience that is there to be entertained really seems to like that
whole long effect. I suspect that a magician audience, more interested
in technical effects, would prefer a card trick in which I did a double
lift from inside a Faro shuffle.
Msg #7979 Dated 9:24:37 03-08-91 7961 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY
Re: GET A LIFE
Er, now you ship your computer to me!
Msg #7981 Dated 9:31:46 03-08-91
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ON THE ROAD
Tabby:
What do mean?? We get cold here in California. In fact it was 50
degrees just last night!!!!!! BRRRRRRRR
Msg #7982 Dated 9:46:21 03-08-91 7976 <--> 7984
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CANON
Pete: Sometime when you're near a free phone, give me a call on the
land line (213) 466-8211 re: books.
Msg #7983 Dated 9:48:20 03-08-91 -> 8033
From: MARVIN STERN
To: STEVE SILVERMAN
Re: PROMISES
Don't forget... a day at the beach for Three Coins. Actually, you're
invited down to Newport even if you don't feel like teaching.
Msg #7984 Dated 10:32:10 03-08-91 7982 <--> 8029
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: CANON
Don't you mean land mine?
Msg #7985 Dated 10:33:17 03-08-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! AND YOU
The bid stands at one hundred fifty dollars for the
andframed Berg/Bamberg check. Auction will close next Wednesday
week (Ga talk). Much discussion offline about who the mystery
donor is and every guess has been wrong so far. I won't tell even
if they guess it but maybe a good cold reader or Max Maven could
tell if I was lying. I haven't had to lie so far as no one has
guessed it.
This is very nice and is worth more but I hope the
current high bidder walks away with the prize as his connection
to both parties is legitimate and he wishes a rememberance. And
there's nothing like cash or a check to remember someone by plus
MAGIC! gets to pay the phone bills another month without the
sysop having to dig in (he would forever I'm sure by now as he
has proven himself ten times over) plus I hear that one of the
big hard drives is making funny noises too. It is nice to know
that all this stuff is being saved by someone with more than
ounce of sense for now and future access.
Welcome to new voices on MAGIC! and mucho gratitude to
the long term cases who've been here from the beginning
especially those who are professionals in the field and have
garnered more than their share of knowledge and special
understanding that comes only by long term exposure to fire and
to the super dedicated amateurs who have made such an impact on,
now MAGIC! and magic as a whole for years/decades.
Msg #7986 Dated 10:40:59 03-08-91 7978 <--> 7987
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC
Audience would def be entertained as would anybody who enjoys comedy
psycho drama. The part with the ambulance is the touch that puts it in
orbit and making sure the finger stays in the slot makes sure you make
the final impact you're looking for. Thats great. Can I try it sometime
for close laity (Busby's generic word idea)? Bye.
Msg #7987 Dated 10:48:39 03-08-91 7986 <--> 7988
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC
Any ideas on where to get this ambulance? I can see it all now.
Msg #7988 Dated 10:49:24 03-08-91 7987 <--> 8008
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC
What are you asking me for, ask Dave Lichtman?
Msg #7989 Dated 11:26:34 03-08-91 7973 <--> 7992
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAMAAR
I am quite sure, however, that Kamaar doesn't see it that way. He
probably really thinks he doing a "real" magic act. It would be
interesting to see where else he works (other than local Rotary Club
functions). He's simply bad news for magic and magicians, period. He
perpetuates the image of the corny conjuror. He can have the job...
Msg #7990 Dated 11:42:37 03-08-91 -> 8011
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CANNONBALLISM
The idea is to get one of these human cannonball rigs (no
net) and actually shoot the "human cannonball" a coupla hundred
feet. The human cannonball wears a parachute and you play it up
big. Shoot almost straight up. But we will use a dummy in the
cannon which gets fired up and angled toward a circle painted on
the ground where the paraball rider is to land after successfully
opening parachute. Dummy goes sailing end over end real crazy
looking straight up. The chute of course doesn't open and hits
ground and dust flys up, etc. Helpers run out and do the bump in
the night or hangman and Cannonballman gets up, dusts himself
off and rides away on the back of a motorcycle being driven by a
girl in a gorilla suit.
Play it for laughs at County Fairs and shopping center
openings and stuff would be a lot of fun. What job do I want?
Well heckle, as long as I don't have to get shot out of the
cannon I'll be:
CANNONBALLMAN
Could bring along Ben Robinson to do the bullet catch on
rotation. Nah, Cannonballman can do it. We'll switch in a dummy
and actually shoot it. The dummy's head is a mellon and explodes.
Shoot it with a 12 ga. riot gun using ball bearings having a
special bullet trap built around the base of the cannon. Only
this time when Cannonballman gets up its Playboy Bunny who is
also at fair. She releases long hair from leather aviator cap and
goggles which Cman donned moments before. She is wearing universal
orange coveralls and sneakers. Cman is now the person firing the
riot gun wearing shooting sports clothing and a ball cap and ear
protection, etc.
On 2nd thought,
Think I'll just stick to the cannon.
your pal,
the human cannonball.
Msg #7992 Dated 12:32:09 03-08-91 7973 <--> 8002
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAMAAR
Certainly not trying to infer, imply nor draw comparative
analysis, but am just wondering how you feel about guys in magic
and entertainment like The Amazing Mr. Ballantine, etc. I somehow
can't see this guy Kamaar (wonder why it's so close to Ammar and
K-Mart?) taking himself that seriously unless the ranking isn't a
put on. In your field I wouldn't think that he would have that
much of a negative impact since you are able to get close to your
audience and they can see you are OK and not some hayseed
cornball like me.
How are things coming for the new logo for Magic Menu? I
don't see how you can afford to send it out in that nice envelope
and 1st class too, but its appreciated that it doesn't arrive
semi-mutilated as Genii has a coupla times (can hardly wait for
the new James Issue to arrive). Have you ever considered doing
your newsletter on recycled paper? Got some samples of it in the
other day from Wayne Paper and it had a neat feel to it. Still
sorta grey though, undyed I guess. Could it be "Duke's" has a
Dyeaversion?
Msg #7993 Dated 14:03:11 03-08-91 -> 8042
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FARO BOXES
Re: Faro Boxes and LV:
Will be getting to Tropicana around 8:30 or 9pm Thursday
night and departing same around noon on Saturday as I want to be
in Philly on Sunday for a game. I know you'll be double busy but
hope you can carve out an hour so we can get together on the Faro
Box Stuff while I am there. Check your calander and let me know
if you can. Will be staying in the Trop Tower in my usual room.
Will leave you msg at desk when I get in cause the Challange will
be getting underway and I know you'll be busy. Maybe later that
night.
tabman
sg #7994 Dated 14:37:24 03-08-91 7949 <--> 8043
From: JEFF BUSBY
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: EDITORIAL FRAIKSON
Because I use MAGIC! as "off-time" enjoyment, I try to make it a point
to not discuss business on line. The best suggestion I can make is
that you direct your question to Juan Tamariz. He'll be lecturing at
the Castle this month, I believe.
Msg #7996 Dated 14:48:42 03-08-91 7967 <--> 8044
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOLDSTON BOOX
OK for Me?????
Now what does that translate to in Conversational English?
Msg #7998 Dated 15:31:33 03-08-91 -> 8045
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DARRELL MURPHY
Re: RING 21
I'm glad you put the notice of Ring 21's meeting on the board....
I went and thoroughly enjoyed myself ( don't need any wise remarks from
Tabby or Pete about enjoying myself).
I have been wanting to learn the Ring and Rope and that was what got me
there. Unfortunately the memory is the second thing to go, and by this
AM I had forgotten most of the moves.
Also enjoyed Arnon and his Twisting the Aces.
Saw a few old friends I hadn't seen for a while and got a chance
to say hello again to you. It was a well planned and well run meeting.
I shall return.
Msg #7999 Dated 15:41:37 03-08-91 -> 8000
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: SIGNING ON
At lunch you mentioned how one could eliminate the opening message when
signing on. I don't seem to find anything in the main menu. What's
the answer?
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