MAGIC! - 17 The following was compiled from the magician's message section of The following was compiled from the magician's message section of MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! is an electronic communications system for magicians. It may be accessed from any personal computer with a modem by dialing US 818-896-7450. Access is free, except for normal telephone company charges. New registrants must leave a comment with their name, address, phone number and a brief resume of their magic background to be considered for membership. The material herein should be treated as confidentially as other magic information. Copyright 1991 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved. Msg #8000 Dated 16:29:12 03-08-91 -> 8009 From: TABBY CRABB To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: SIGNING ON Here tis. Immed after entering your password hit Control Key and "K" simultaneously. Thats it. Msg #8001 Dated 16:50:31 03-08-91 -> 8003 From: WILLIAM ZETTLER To: RICHARD HART (X) Re: LETTERMAN SHOW 3/7/91 Hi! I would like to know how many Copperfield shows you have and what #'s. would you be willing to trade or sell any copyies??? I only have 2 copperfield shows and thats it. I could trade some movies. please write me back. thanks.. william Msg #8002 Dated 17:20:13 03-08-91 -> 8024 From: RICHARD HART To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: KAMAAR I did, however, immensely enjoy the fact that Letterman ended up covered with fake blood from head to toe. Now if it had only been his REAL blood... Msg #8003 Dated 17:23:11 03-08-91 -> 8004 From: RICHARD HART To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LETTERMAN SHOW 3/7/91 After having watched the evidence, I think I'll commit myself, and burn the show... Msg #8004 Dated 17:24:35 03-08-91 8001 <--> 8007 From: RICHARD HART To: WILLIAM ZETTLER (X) Re: LETTERMAN SHOW 3/7/91 Well, having only recently obtained a VCR, I only have the last 2 Copperfield shows on tape, alas. Sorry... Msg #8007 Dated 17:33:43 03-08-91 8004 <--> 8023 From: WILLIAM ZETTLER To: RICHARD HART (X) Re: LETTERMAN SHOW 3/7/91 is there anyway i could get a copy of david's 11th special?? please write back....William Msg #8008 Dated 17:43:49 03-08-91 -> 8010 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC I have a whole line of patter I deliver to make sure the "victims" finger stays in the guillotine. I deliver it as an "aside," in a semi-sotto voice: "Remember, whatever you do, don't take your finger out until I tell you to. Even if you think we're finished, don't take your finger out." In addition to leaving their finger in place, they are totally spooked! Of course you can use it ANYTIME, ANYPLACE. Even right in front of me! Heck, if you want, I'll even paint a nail for you! Msg #8009 Dated 17:44:39 03-08-91 8000 <--> 8016 From: MARVIN STERN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: SIGNING ON Thanks much for the info. However, I thought, and I'm probably wrong that David said there was a way to permantely remove those messages. Thanks also for leaving the part of my other message alone--- the part about me enjoying myself. Rgds. Msg #8010 Dated 17:46:41 03-08-91 -> 8022 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC Actually, I wondered why you were talking to yourself too, Tabman. But that's OK - the whole message about the guillotine was supposed to go to ARNAUD VANREITSCHOTEN and I sent it to Pete Biro! The ambulance is from a toy store. It is made by Remco and comes in a blister pac. Originally I couldn't find an ambulance (I'm pretty sure they make one) so I got something that looked like one and painted it white. There are two red LED's on the top and when you press on the hood they flash and a siren goes off for about 4.5 seconds - just long enough. The toy I decapitate is "Robotech Master's Enemy" from the Matchbox Robotech series. I use it because...well, because it was on sale for cheap and its head was the right size. I'm not sure who's version of Bach's Toccata and Fugue I finally decided to use. Msg #8011 Dated 17:57:36 03-08-91 -> 8041 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CANNONBALLISM I think you could sell it to Copperfield, Tabman. It would make a stunning conclusion to the "Copperfield Bunker in Iraq" effect. Msg #8015 Dated 18:18:34 03-08-91 -> 8046 From: MATT MATSUYAMA To: ALL Re: David Lichtman have kindly assisted me in joining MAGIC! Thanks a lot, Dave. This is my first message here. I am a founder and a co-sysop of the Magic Forum in Japan, which has been cooperated with Y. Fujiwara, the other founder and co-sysop. Just very [line noise in original message from Japan] onal sub-sysops of the forum. The Magic Forum is the oldest magic BBS currently. More precisely saying, the magic section in BPForum in CompuServe was the first one. I have looked through a part of recent messages of MAGIC! Although I still don't know the entire activity, I would like to leave my first impression about MAGIC! MAGIC! seems the most active BBS as long as I compare the number of messages posted every day. I can hardly imagine how the frequent access members manage -their time to respond so quickly. I think the host system is simple enough for new comers to get used to, however the principal reason for this successful BBS is based on the continious inputs of informative comments and advices by the core members. Frankly saying, there are two difficulties for us to become active members for MAGIC! To begin with, there are too many messages posted everyday on MAGIC! to scan them through. Because English is not our native language, we have to consult dictionary and spend much time to understand the contents even if we don't response them. Secondly, communication cost is skyhigh. We are charged 51 yen (equal to $0.40) for every 6-second connection. So if I connect 3 minutes for each access we are charged about $12.00 for it. On the contrary we can access CompuServe magic section with much reasonable cost, because NIF, who operates NIFTY-Serve, provide us its private line linked with CompuServe. This gateway connection service charges us 40-70 yen per 1-minute use (roughly $1.00-$2.00 per 3-minute). This doesn't include CompuServe access charge and other additional domestic charges for connecting to NIF's private line. However, joining the magic section is still reasonable even if we are charged these costs. Messages on CompuServe magic section are less-frequently posted than MAGIC!, however, we feel the section is much favourable than MAGIC! due to our difficulty on language. You can reach our Magic Forum through CompuServe gateway service (GO NIFTY) with some reasonable cost ($35.00 per an hour) i.e. $1.75 per 3 minutes. So we would tend to join Magic! and CompuServe(magic section) in different ways as follows. 1. CompuServe system is very useful for FACS mailing which could be delivered to many magicians and magic shops widely. (MAGIC! doesn't serve this function, I suppose) 2. For Japanese magicians, It seems much easier to participate CompuServe magic section. (This would not be true for American magicians) 3. As for electronic mailing, MAGIC! seems much useful than CompuServe because the number of MAGIC! participants is likely larger than the CompuServe section and quick resp/nze would be expected with frequently access members. Please forgive me to access MAGIC! not so frequently. Maybe I could access here once a week. Matt Matsuyama (Mitsunobu Matsuyama) CompuServe ID: 72161,106 Msg #8016 Dated 18:19:09 03-08-91 8000 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: SIGNING ON You can also turn of "Checking for Messages" if you want to. To do so, from the Main Menu select U for User Parms. One of the selections will allow you to change the "Checking for Messages" method to suit your personal style, or to turn it off altogether. Msg #8018 Dated 18:24:10 03-08-91 From: MARC ALAN To: ALL Re: IN SEARCH OF... Does anyone know of an I.B.M. or S.A.M. ring that meets in the Palmdale or Santa Clarita areas???? Msg #8021 Dated 18:41:37 03-08-91 From: MAX MAVEN To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: OVETTE MASTER MOVE The description in Tarbell does not explore the move beyond its most basic application. If you want to find out some unusual uses, there are some really interesting ideas in the Stewart James book. Msg #8022 Dated 18:44:38 03-08-91 -> 8026 From: MAX MAVEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC Teller's fingers are sans polish; Penn's the one with the red nail. Msg #8023 Dated 19:30:19 03-08-91 8007 <--> 8072 From: RICHARD HART To: WILLIAM ZETTLER (X) Re: LETTERMAN SHOW 3/7/91 I suppose there is. Hmm, Copperfield XI... That's the one where he escapes from the demolished building, isn't it? Where do you live, William? L.A. area? Msg #8024 Dated 20:30:38 03-08-91 -> 8036 From: JIM SISTI To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: KAMAAR Tabby...is message #7992 to me? It's slugged as being to Pete. It threw me when you started talking about "Magic Menu." Glad you appreciate the envelope/mail rate, etc. They just raised the price of paper on us to $.065 cents a sheet. RE: the logo...I think we're staying with what we have for a little bit..though you'll notice that issue four has a cleaner looking banner than its predecessor. Msg #8025 Dated 20:48:43 03-08-91 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: QUIET INSANITY Ok. Msg #8026 Dated 20:49:51 03-08-91 -> 8027 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC Sounds real good. Have you ever seen/heard of the guy that writes in the Linking Ring (I forget names alla time) about Elwood Rabbit and his finger chopper? He makes a huge illusion-type routine as well. Ah, Vanf Cleve (Van Cleve) from Texas. Donno if it is written up. If any Texas members or any body else knows if or where is written pass on to the good Dr. for study. Msg #8027 Dated 20:52:50 03-08-91 8010 <--> 8034 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC Is it ok to say Fugue online? Msg #8029 Dated 20:55:20 03-08-91 -> 8030 From: PETE BIRO To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: CANON Is that a 9-5 or a home nr? Msg #8030 Dated 20:55:38 03-08-91 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CANON You can land yours where you want to. Did I tell you the Dancing with Wolf Blitzer joke? No. I just did -- make up your own lead in. Msg #8033 Dated 20:56:20 03-08-91 7983 <--> 8272 From: PETE BIRO To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: PROMISES Did anybody watch "Three Little Words" on the CABLE last night? Story of famed Song Writer Magician Burt Kalmar. Not a ton of magic, but Fred Astair did bits here and there. Good ole time fun flick. Msg #8034 Dated 20:57:32 03-08-91 8022 <--> 8035 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC Hmmmm - Interesting headline: PENN NAILS RED! Thanks - I never can remember which is which. Msg #8035 Dated 20:58:26 03-08-91 8026 <--> 8037 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC Thanks - I like Elwood's column. For some reason I always thought he was in Chicago. But would be interested in seeing other "finger chopper" routines. The secret to this one is the GREAT wooden "chopper." VERY SAFE (no hinges, only one thing to verify) and looks very clean. Msg #8036 Dated 20:58:11 03-08-91 -> 8038 From: PETE BIRO To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: KAMAAR No question he's not so good and doesn't likely know it. I was mainly making the point that what he does is JUST WHAT LETTERMAN'S PRODUCERS WANT. Some time if I get to see David again (usually at auto races when we sit and chat awhile) I will ask him why and if he wouldn't rather have legit mojo like he has legit comics on. After all he likes to give is pals from the comedy clubs a break and big time exposure, why not give the magic acts a chance too. Msg #8037 Dated 20:59:58 03-08-91 8027 <--> 8048 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC Sure! Fugue is a legitimate replacement word for funk. Webster says, "A disturbed state of conciousness in which the one affected performs acts of which he appears to be concious but of which, on recovery, he has no recollection." Hey! That DOES sound like what you were thinking of! Msg #8038 Dated 21:00:48 03-08-91 -> 8039 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: KAMAAR Tabb I think you sent a message to me by mistake? About the Amazing Mr. Ballantine... HE IS AS CLOSE TO THE FUNNIEST MAN IN HISTORY AS YOU CAN GET. I have taped and counted his laff per minute ratio -- and NOBODY is close!! Have you seen his likeness (and his voice over) on the latest Claymation Raisin commercials? Great. Carl is not only a great act, he's done great as a character actor, TV commercial talent and he's a great guy. I booked him for a show and backstage mentioned my Mother was in the audience and that whe was an old vodvilian from the 20's and loved his work. When he went onstage he pointed her out and dedicated his act to her. He got Two Standing ovations that night!!!! It was the Long Beach IBM convention. Msg #8039 Dated 21:03:38 03-08-91 8002 <--> 8040 From: PETE BIRO To: RICHARD HART (X) Re: KAMAAR Sorry I didn't see it. Since I don't have satellite no mo, I don't stay up late enuf to see Dave. Msg #8040 Dated 21:04:14 03-08-91 8024 <--> 8115 From: PETE BIRO To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: KAMAAR Jim, I think Tab missed the "name to" on a message. Msg #8041 Dated 21:05:29 03-08-91 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CANNONBALLISM Let me know where you debut this... I gots to see it. Sounds like Super Dave Osborn might steal it if you ain't careful!! Check H. Norman Schwartskoph to see if any GIs brough back a SCUD Launcher..... Msg #8042 Dated 21:07:13 03-08-91 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FARO BOXES Me be there, loaded (in the alcoholic sense? No) see ya. Msg #8043 Dated 21:07:47 03-08-91 From: PETE BIRO To: JEFF BUSBY (X) Re: EDITORIAL FRAIKSON Tamariz is worth a thousand mile trip to see. Hey, he'll be at the Seminar!!!!! Msg #8044 Dated 21:08:43 03-08-91 -> 8078 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: GOLDSTON BOOX It means I am Pi**ed that you don't have the V6 for me.Msg #8045 Dated 21:09:39 03-08-91 7998 <--> 8063 From: PETE BIRO To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: RING 21 If you read Tabman's stuff you (and me) is in the enjoy mode for sure! Msg #8046 Dated 21:13:08 03-08-91 8015 <--> 8054 From: PETE BIRO To: MATT MATSUYAMA (X) Re: Hajime Mashita Dozo Yorishiko (spelling is not good) Matsuyama-san, welcome to MAGIC! If you do not want to read messages to save YEN, you could just send messages and only read messages addressed to you. I am sure SYSOP would tell you how to do this. That way if you have questions you can direct them to ALL and if someone answers you you only read messages for you. Msg #8048 Dated 21:16:11 03-08-91 8037 <--> 8051 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC You watching this live? Msg #8051 Dated 22:30:05 03-08-91 8048 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DESCRIPTIONS OF LAYMAN AC I wuz live for a moment or two. Was finishing my own on-line session when you arrived on the scene, so I sent you the message. But then I had to take off. Msg #8052 Dated 22:43:35 03-08-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: OOOPS!! Msg shoulda been to JIM SISTI. haven't seen Kamart the magician so was just ranking on you as I know where you come from. G'nite much tired as long nite in studio and is 2 am on this side of USA (our side). Msg #8054 Dated 23:00:23 03-08-91 8046 <--> 8064 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MATT MATSUYAMA (X) Re: It is great to have you join us, Matt! In a private message to you I have left some ideas on how to cut the costs of accessing MAGIC! from Japan. I hope that we will see you here as often as possible. In addition to all of the news here in the U.S., MAGIC! also links you to the magic news in Europe through our connection to MAGIC-NL in Holland. Msg #8055 Dated 23:12:31 03-08-91 -> 8600 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DARRELL MURPHY (X) Re: RING 21 FLASHPAPER I am sorry to report that Rick Rasmussen passed away on March 4th. Msg #8056 Dated 23:46:04 03-08-91 -> 8065 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: INFORMAL MAGIC! LUNCHEON WOW! What an experience! A great informal MAGIC! luncheon today at the Magic Castle. Eight of our members, four from L.A. (Marvin Stern, Doug Larson, Gregg McKay, and your's truly), four from Houston (David Luther, Kent Cummins, Michael Ammar and Hanna Ammar), spent a large part of the afternoon eating Castle chile (OK, the wiser heads ate salads and stuff) and discussing magic and MAGIC! (T A Waters and Dante Larsen made cameo appearances). It was impossible to keep up with all of the conversations, so I hope a few of the other attendees will add to this report, but the topics ranged from card tricks through the business cycle of a full-time magician to magic in the Soviet Union. It is really great to watch MAGIC! members meet each other for the first time and know each other. I can hardly wait for the Desert Magic get-together! Msg #8058 Dated 23:52:08 03-08-91 -> 8066 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: JUGGLING CARDS About ten minutes before I left for the Castle, the postman delivered a package from Howie Schwarzman. In it was Lubor Fiedler's Juggling Cards, as described in HOWIE-5.TXT. This thing is really fun! Effectively, it allows you to take a deck of single cards and spread them lengthwise in a sort of ladder formation. You can spread them across an empty space, hold 'em from the top and they will all hang together, or even make them into a hat! Then you can form a deck again and shuffle them! The gaff is a little too obvious to leave 'em lying around, but the effect, particularly in a parlour or stage setting, is mind boggling. I did a bit with them close-up at the table at the MAGIC! luncheon and, until I deliberately revealed the impossible nature of what I was doing, I had a few people surprised. I was sitting and shuffling the deck when I claimed that I could "balance" a card. Working across, I "laddered" only three cards so I had one in my left hand, the balance of the deck in my right, and one sorta hanging in between. A few heads started to fry when I showed that I could do it with two cards in between, then three. Of course, as soon as I did it with five, six, and seven everyone knew there had to be a serious problem with the deck. Fun! And the cards are BEAUTIFUL. U.S. Playing cards doesn't make decks this nice. Theoretically I think you could transfer the gaff to a Bicycle deck, but I'm not going to. Instead, I'd like to ask, does anyone here or on MAGIC-NL know where I could get a blue backed deck of Ferd, Piatnic & Sohne cards from Wein, Austria? They are about 58 mm x 88 mm, just slightly wider than our U.S. "bridge" size. Msg #8059 Dated 23:54:01 03-08-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: READING MESSAGES Thanks to the articles about MAGIC! that appeared in several publications, we have a lot of new users. Here is a tip on how to read messages quickly and easily. From the Main Menu: Type R;* and press That's the letter R followed by a the ENTER key. semi-colon (;) followed by an asterisk (*). Then press the ENTER key. You will immediately see the first new message after the last message you read the last time you were on MAGIC! After each message you will be presented with a menu. You can use this menu to Reply to a message. If you just want to go on to the next message, just press the ENTER key. Messages will be presented in SUBJECT order. That means that you will see all of the messages that have the same subject, followed by all of the messages on the next subject, etc. There are several other ways to read and locate messages on MAGIC! Since most members tend to use an interactive mode in which they read and reply to messages we tend to stress R;* as the best way to do this. But here are some alternatives: From the Main Menu: R;nnn (Where nnn represents an individual message number) Allows you to read and reply to one message. After reading that one message a prompt will appear that allows you to insert another number to read. This is NOT usually recommended since you miss all of the messages in between the ones you read and, unless you go back and read them, you will not see them. Your message pointer, the thing that keeps track of the last message you read, will be updated when you log off. R;nnn+ (Where nnn represents an individual message number) Allows you to read and reply to all messages, in subject order, starting from the message number you have entered (note that there is a plus sign [+] following the message number. This is useful when you want to go back to a certain number to begin reading or if you haven't been on for a while and want to skip a lot of messages that are "new" but that you haven't got the opportunity to read. Once again, your message pointer will be updated to the last message you read, so, if you don't keep track you will loose the opportunity to read previous messages. RC;* RC stands for Read Continuous. This is useful for or RC;nnn+ "downloading" the current messages into a file for printing or examining later. The messages will appear in NUMERICAL order, but you will NOT be offered an opportunity to reply. Messages will just keep scrolling into your system and you will need to use a "capture buffer" to retain them. RC;* will start from the first new message, RC;nnn+ will start from the message number you have entered. While this is a way to "grab" messages quickly to read off-line, it tends to discourage replies and often turns the user into a reader rather than a participant. Your message pointer will be updated. Along with these read options, there are some ways to look for messages. All of them are generally followed with the number of the message you wish to start at and a plus sign [+]. Q;nnn+ Quick Scan will display the subjects of messages in numerical order. S;nnn+ Scan will display the "message headers," the time and date of the message, the message number, the name of the person it is from, the name of the person it is to, and the subject. Q?;nnn+ The R, Q, or S command, followed by a question mark S?;nnn+ [?] will allow you to search for a keyword or name R?;nnn+ in the message header. Since Q only displays the subject, I believe it will only search for keywords in the subject, while the others will also allow a search for the name of the person it is from or to. Hope that these "advanced features" allow you to tailor your use of MAGIC! to the way you would like it. Msg #8060 Dated 1:36:59 03-09-91 7918 <--> 8082 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: REELS David, Steve Silverman had a question about Howies wares maybe you can answer his query. Msg #8061 Dated 1:39:15 03-09-91 -> 8083 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: FORCE DECKS Thats good advice, however, Im not good enough at enough of them to perform in front of the unknowing yet! I need to work out patter that makes sense for me and that will take some time as I am not real comfortable with the canned words for so many things. I guess that it comes down to being unsure of myself. I just need to be able to do this stuff another 200 times. Msg #8063 Dated 1:59:30 03-09-91 7998 <--> 8214 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: RING 21 Marvin or Darrell, Did either of you get the moves written down in sequence? I can remember most of them but am shady on a few of the flips and or buckles. If possible leave a note as to the order for me. Thanks.........Doug Msg #8064 Dated 2:05:29 03-09-91 8015 <- From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: MATT MATSUYAMA (X) Re: Welcome to Magic!, Look forward to all the news and information you can share with us. Msg #8065 Dated 2:07:22 03-09-91 8056 <--> 8069 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: INFORMAL MAGIC! LUNCHEON One of the best parts is putting a FACE with those names. I enjoyed the visit a great deal and look forward to meeting more of you. BTW It was also a pleasure to meet other members at the IBM ring 21 meeting the previous evening...if only Steve, Mimi, and others would leave us some more messages to read. Msg #8066 Dated 2:10:58 03-09-91 8058 <--> 8074 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: JUGGLING CARDS Were you looking for "PLATNIC" card? I may have them in my store. If these are the same cards I believe that they are made in Austria and the box looks close to bridge size. Beautiful cards. I will look closer at them tomorrow and let you know. Msg #8067 Dated 2:13:27 03-09-91 -> 8273 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: STEVE SILVERMAN (X) Re: 3 COIN TRICK Steve I looked up 3 coin trick in my "The new modern Coin Magic" Bobo Is it the Milton Kort version on page 184 that we talked about last night? It seems to read different than I remember it being presented? Let me know if this is the routine and if you do some things different don't be afraid to send me a note with that routine again. Maybe it was just to dark or too late for me to remember it. Msg #8068 Dated 6:33:45 03-09-91 -> 8451 From: RANDY LUND To: ALL Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC The original message about women in magic and why more women are not magicians is an interesting one I think and one that should be explored without rancor if possible. The following are my ideas and observations. The observations I leave with you as observed fact and I do not pretend to know why this is so nor do I pretend that my experience is universal. 1. In order to do anything (Magic included) must enjoy it. If we do not enjoy it or do not accept the basic tenants of the activity we will not do it. 2. In performing, especially close up, I find my hardest audience are women. If there is someone who will reach out and grab at the cards etc. it will be a woman about 75% of the time. Men seem much more willing to suspend belief and enjoy what is going on where women seem to view Magic more as a puzzle to be solved. These are trends, not absolutes, think of it more as two normal curves with the peaks offset. 3. If you accept 1&2 it follows that the pool of available persons who would become magicians is larger for men and the likelyhood would be that more men would be involved. Again I stress that this is empirical observation, not scientifically verified fact and I have no idea why this should be. I am an engineer by training, not a psychologist. I do think however that it may help explain why there are more men than women magicians. Randy Msg #8069 Dated 7:59:05 03-09-91 8056 <--> 8073 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: INFORMAL MAGIC! LUNCHEON Those Cowboys and Cowgirl are from Austin, capitol of the Lone Star State. Msg #8071 Dated 9:35:34 03-09-91 From: RICK RUHL To: ALL Re: IM ALIVE Tabman called me today and wanted to make sure I was still alive. I am, just been involved with a couple project that could earn me about $100K or so...hmm, if that happend, I go could back to magic full time. My 31st birthday is ccoming up (march 24th) so I should make a birthday resolution to call every day again. I think I will, I feel lost without this place. I'll be on vacation the 18th to the 22nd to, but I'll be here, if anyone needs to get in touch. Keep the magic! burning. Looking forward to getting back into the swing of calling here again. The RIKKER Msg #8072 Dated 11:53:16 03-09-91 8023 <- From: WILLIAM ZETTLER To: RICHARD HART (X) Re: LETTERMAN SHOW 3/7/91 hi! yes, I live in la. my address is : william zettler 20519 raymond ave. torrance, ca. 90502 could you send me a copy? if you would like i will pay for s&h charges. i would like to get a copy of that tape if at all possable, PLEASE! that is the one where his escapes from an exploding building. please reply ASAP, Thanx...William Msg #8073 Dated 12:35:40 03-09-91 8069 <--> 8080 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: INFORMAL MAGIC! LUNCHEON URP! You are right - AUSTIN! Well, at least I got the state right! Msg #8074 Dated 12:37:52 03-09-91 8066 <--> 8085 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS It certainly looks like "Piatnic" on the Joker. The face cards appear to have almost real faces. The color registration is magnificent. The value and suite appear in all four corners, not just two diagonal ones. The backs are blue and close to an Aviator design. Would appreciate you letting me know if you do have them. Msg #8075 Dated 12:38:01 03-09-91 From: WILLIAM ZETTLER To: ALL Re: COPPERFIELD hi! I'm looking for anyone that has "the Magic of David Copperfield 10: the Burmudia Triangle" . may I recieve a copy of the opening act? The death saw. I would be willing to pay all s&h charges. please reply ASAP! thanx...William Msg #8077 Dated 12:42:49 03-09-91 From: WILLIAM ZETTLER To: ALL Re: MAGIC hi! I'm looking for anyone who may have David C. doing "the statue of liberty vanish","vanishing a jet airplane","floating over the grand canyon","walking through the great wall of china" and "the floating Farrii". any hegreatly thanked. also, i will pay for ALL s/h charges. and will even supply the video cassette(S). thankyou, William Msg #8078 Dated 14:24:04 03-09-91 8044 <--> 8087 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: GOLDSTON BOOX Gee, Pete... ...just when -I- was getting ticked that YOU didn't have any of the V.6 issues for ME!!! Well, I just sent off a letter to Goldston's address..."ATT: BACK ISSUES DEPT." Will let you know when I hear from them. Seriously, I will keep an eye out for them and do let me know which issues you have dupes of and what you want for them, ok? Thanks. Msg #8080 Dated 14:30:42 03-09-91 8073 <--> 8752 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: INFORMAL MAGIC! LUNCHEON Glad it went so well, David. I didn't free up in time, but I'm looking forward to the next one. Msg #8081 Dated 16:12:37 03-09-91 -> 8088 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAGIC! #15 The fifteenth set of MAGIC! messages - #7000 (Feb. 15, 1991) to #7499 (March 1, 1991) - has been transfered to a downloadable file. The file is named MAGIC-15.TXT. This means that you can now go to the file area, download this file, and read the fif- teenth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-15.ZIP and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version. This volume includes a number of good effects and tips on handling. Among the effects: "Floating Coin to Wine Bottle" by Steve Kucera, "Himber's Subway Move" by Pete Biro, "Turnover Simplex" by Tabby Crabb, the totally unbelievable "Copperfield in Iraq" by Pete Biro (an unusual version of "three card monte"), and a nice thread on the Faro Shuffle. Douglas Larson's advice on how to make an inexpensive and highly functional practice mirror is also in this file. There is a thread with recommendations of books on mentalism, some advice on the care and feeding of rabbits, and Jim Hoy's information on using a Vest Servante. Of course, there is also the usual MAGIC! philosophy, news and chit-chat. Not only will transfering these messages to a file make it easier for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the search for new messages easier and faster. Msg #8082 Dated 16:29:36 03-09-91 8060 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: REELS I'll be happy to try, but info on Howie's wares can also be had by sending a message directly to him. His name on MAGIC! is HOWARD SCHWARZMAN Msg #8083 Dated 16:30:11 03-09-91 8061 <--> 8140 From: STAN LAKE To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: FORCE DECKS You probably won't need to practice 200 times. A hundred should do! You might try picking out what you think is an opener effect or at least one effect that you like the most. Then do that one effect for lots of people. (Can you do it at the counter at your store?) Keep doing it until you have honed it down to near perfection. You can do it in your sleep and you usually get the reaction you want. Then learn a second one the same way and then put the two together. Keep this up and you will have a routine. By the way, Max Maven's book Focus has some great tricks you can do without the need for a table or flat surface. Those are handy to know when you are waiting in line at the Castle! Msg #8085 Dated 16:56:50 03-09-91 8074 <--> 8091 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: JUGGLING CARDS I have used Piatnic cards before and they are great. I think Magic Christian (Stelzel) of Vienna, Austria, has a marketing contract with them and has published books for them. He is also a fine Graphic Designer. Msg #8087 Dated 16:58:42 03-09-91 8078 <--> 8093 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: GOLDSTON BOOX Do you have Goldston's newest address? I think it is in Colon, Mich. Msg #8088 Dated 16:59:19 03-09-91 8081 <--> 8094 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: MAGIC! #15 I cn't afford to go online and download 15 files... arrrrgggghhh Msg #8089 Dated 17:22:43 03-09-91 From: GREGO WILMOTH To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: MENTAL BOOKS???? The place to start would be Annemann. Then I would check with Mr. Phil Goldstein and his Rainbow Series. Msg #8091 Dated 19:06:29 03-09-91 8085 <--> 8095 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS Do you know if the Piatnic cards are available in the U.S.? I'm begining to think that one of the joys of traveling would be to collect decks from around the World. Christian is also a marvelous magician. Lots of good ideas and a good stage presence. Msg #8093 Dated 19:10:12 03-09-91 8087 <--> 8109 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: GOLDSTON BOOX Go ahead, Pete, keep up the Colon, Mi. bit. At Desert Magic we are going to formally cut off your zip code. Msg #8094 Dated 19:10:51 03-09-91 8088 <--> 8110 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC! #15 Well, then, don't download all 15 files, just download the ones with messages to and from you in them. Msg #8095 Dated 22:57:52 03-09-91 8091 <--> 8096 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: JUGGLING CARDS Howie has a deal to sell them in the states but he is in Key West this week, but back next week. I think they're expensive though around six bucx a deck. Yeah, buddy. Msg #8096 Dated 0:49:01 03-10-91 8095 <--> 8105 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS Six bucks a deck! Guess I'll have to settle for less than a dozen. I wonder if Sav-On in Austria ever puts 'em on sale? Msg #8098 Dated 8:55:25 03-10-91 -> 8111 From: STAN LAKE To: ALL Re: WATCH I like to do short visual tricks while waiting in line at the Castle. Here is one I can claim originality for only because I have not yet read about it elsewhere. It is so simple though that I am sure it has been around for about as long as wristwatches have been around. Anyway... The effect is you are doing a coin roll with a half dollar. For those spectators who are knowledgeable about trick coins this is unstated proof that it is a genuine half. You can even let them examine it because it is a real half. As I am rolling the coin I will sometimes patter that this is not a regular half dollar it is a trained half dollar- I can't do this with a regular half. I then ask if someone else has a half dollar. If so I use that and if not I pull out one of my own and let them examine it because once again, it is a regular half dollar. I tell them all to watch. Both coins are in my left palm up hand as I slowly close my fist. Watch- as I point to that hand, I give it a little jiggle. Did you see it happen? I pull out the regular coin from my loosely closed fist and place it in my pocket. Do you know how I know it was the regular coin? Because the trained coin has gone. Now watch- then I point to my watch. From underneath I carefully pull out the trained half dollar. For those of you have not already figured this out I'll explain! What is required is a regular half dollar, a half dollar shell and of course a wristwatch with another half dollar placed under it. If you have a loose fitting watch, a small piece of double stick tape or a loop of scotch tape will securely hold it. I start with the shell palmed in my left hand and bring out the regular half dollar from my right pocket and start doing a coin roll. This always catches the attention of the laymen. I let them look at it since this is my "trained" coin. I then do a shuttle pass. (If anyone doesn't know what that is, look in any basic coin book or ask and I will post a description of it) I ask if anyone else has a regular half dollar and at the same time I am reaching into my right pocket with the palmed real half. If someone else has one, great- I'll use theirs. If not, I pull out my palmed coin and continue. The entire time I have been standing their with my left hand palm up with the shell clearly in view so there is no suspicion of a switch. They think they have just examined that coin and it has been in full view all the time. I then let them examine the second coin and place it next to the shell in my left hand. I point out again the regular coin and the trained coin which I then slightly overlap the regular coin with. Close my fist nesting the two coins and turn my fist palm down and give it a wiggle. As often as I can I am telling them to "Watch". They hear this many times which helps contribute to the laughs at the end. I then pull out the "regular" coin and place it in my right pocket. If it is borrowed I un-nest it so I can return it without hesitation. The trick is done at this point and I tell them to watch once more as I point to my watch and slip the trained coin out from behind it. The whole thing is only a couple of minutes at most and fun to do. I hope someone can use this! Msg #8099 Dated 11:01:56 03-10-91 -> 8112 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VISIT Tabman, Thanks ever so much for having me over for the night, wish I had planned it for a longer stay...next time! Tell Gloria hi and thanks also. Next time you are in Houston, I'll reciprocate. I got your message at the hotel, but it wasn't until the next day sitting on the plane that I figured out who the operator had said called. She had told me that Tabin had called and would call back later. I thought "Tabin", I don't know anyone named Tabin. Only on the plane did I realize she meant Tabman. I told you those Faro Boxes were neat. Let me know if you find anything more about them. I've got a local lead on a guy who is suppose to own some, but is reputed to be real secretive and only into gambling, not magic. I'll have to brush up on my second and bottom dealing! Again thanks, my visit to the Old Principle's Place was the highlight of my trip. Be talking to you real soon (after I get caught up). Charlie Msg #8100 Dated 11:04:20 03-10-91 -> 8113 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: ALL Re: TRIP Well, just got back from my business trip to Washington, D.C. I was able to work in a little magic, including a great overnight visit with the Tabman. We had some great conversation about books and magic in general. He showed me the tables he is making -- they are great, really classy looking. Just the way fine woodwork should look. If Tabby keeps it up he may just establish himself as the finest magic woodworker of our time! I also got to meet his wife Gloria. She is a very pretty lady and every bit as nice as Tabby. And although she is very modest about it all, Tabby showed me a picture of Gloria sitting in a room completely (I mean totally) filled with her trophies, medals, and other awards from her shooting matches. Very impressive indeed! Their whole place is really cool. It's a nice old house sitting on a piece of very woody land. And then there's the studio. It is made up to look like an old barn. Inside there's lots of recording and musical equipment. I know very little about the music-making business so this was a real treat for me. Even got to see a group recording. Tabby said they weren't very good, but it was country music so I couldn't tell. That's a joke, Tabby. There was a second, much bigger convention in town, which I got over to one afternoon. Three magicians were working there, Paul Gertner, Tim Conover, and Mark Phillips. All were very good. I talked to each of them and they were all very friendly and very enthusiastic. Also went by Al's Magic shop and ran into Harvey Rosenthal. He's featured on the latest issue of "The Trapdoor". Harvey's an excellent sleight-of-hand guy. He showed me a couple of things including a neat routine with rubber bands. Just a great guy (who also works for the FBI). I did manage, with some weaseling on my part, to sneak away one evening and get up to George Daily's place. George is one of the best used magic book and magazine dealers around. He has the best collection I've ever seen. It may not be the biggest, although it is huge, it is the "showiest". It covers his entire basement. He has it made up like a reading den complete with nice chairs and a bar. All the walls are lined with shelves full of books. Most of the books are in great shape including some of the oldest known magic books. And magazines, he must have every magazine ever published and nicely bound. I bought a couple of items from George including a first edition of Our Magic and some original handwritten letters of Silent Mora's to Paul Fleming. Well, I've probably bored everyone enough with my doings and I have a lot to get done (we're trying to get the next list out in about 2 weeks), so I'll sign off for now. Charlie Msg #8103 Dated 11:30:35 03-10-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: TANKS Charlie, thanks so much for the kind words. We really enjoyed your visit and missed you after you took off for parts unknown. More later. tabman Msg #8105 Dated 14:03:21 03-10-91 8091 <--> 8106 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: JUGGLING CARDS I don't know if any dealer has them. You could write Abbotts? Msg #8106 Dated 14:03:50 03-10-91 8095 <--> 8107 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS Tell Howie you want to be the West Coast Dist. Msg #8107 Dated 14:04:13 03-10-91 8096 <--> 8133 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: JUGGLING CARDS FARO cards (Hart) go for $150.00 Msg #8109 Dated 14:04:53 03-10-91 8093 <--> 8136 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: GOLDSTON BOOX Zip Plus Four! Msg #8110 Dated 14:05:10 03-10-91 8094 <--> 8137 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: MAGIC! #15 I WANT IT ALL! Msg #8111 Dated 14:06:42 03-10-91 8098 <--> 8114 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: WATCH Sounds great. How do you do a coin roll? Jes' kiddin' -- as to original or not? I think I have seen something similar in Abbott's Catalog. Msg #8112 Dated 14:07:49 03-10-91 8099 <- From: PETE BIRO To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: VISIT Find all you can about FARO and the "secretive" guy. Most into Gambling are secretive (unlike magicians) but will TIP if you are cool. I am working toward a FARO manuscript and making Replica Faro stuff (this is where Tab will come in -- he doesn't know it yet)!!! Msg #8113 Dated 14:10:29 03-10-91 8100 <- From: PETE BIRO To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: TRIP I am jealous! Msg #8114 Dated 15:28:11 03-10-91 8111 <--> 8124 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: WATCH I'd write to them and find out if the have it, if I only had their address!!! Msg #8115 Dated 17:20:20 03-10-91 -> 8121 From: HARRISON CARROLL To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: KAMAAR Jim: From what I've heard, the guy gets a lot of local work in NYC. It seems hard to believe.. Letterman seems to have an overall distain for magic and magicians. He has found someone stupid enough to be subjected to Letterman's put-downs. Karmaar must figure that it is better to be laughed at than be ignored. Who knows? I just find it strange that Letterman doesn't put people on who have the quality of Joseph, or Lance. Msg #8116 Dated 17:45:44 03-10-91 From: WILLIAM ZETTLER To: ALL Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD Does anyone out there have an address where i can write to David Copperfield or Penn/Teller??? does anyone have a phone # to where they might be reached? also, does anyone have the first 11 "specials" from David C.??? also what are some of the tricks that copperfield will do on his next show??? (april 9th) thanx...William Msg #8118 Dated 20:26:03 03-10-91 7948 <--> 8120 From: ROBIN DAWES To: RICHARD HART (X) Re: WABBITS Richard, I missed your info on rabbits but I'd sure be interested in learning more about them. It sounds like Dave Magnetat and I are in similar situations - none of the other magi around here use animals (and I just bought a dove pan). Robin Msg #8120 Dated 21:14:39 03-10-91 8118 <--> 8266 From: RICHARD HART To: ROBIN DAWES (X) Re: WABBITS If I'm not mistaken, Robin, that info in contained in the MAGIC! files section as the latest (#15?) collection of messages. D/L it, and check it out. If you have any more questions, I'll be happy to answer them. _richard Msg #8121 Dated 21:11:20 03-10-91 8115 <--> 8125 From: JIM SISTI To: HARRISON CARROLL (X) Re: KAMAAR What amazes me is that when I met Kamaar at the '87 Tannen's Jubliee, it was obvious that he considered himself to be a superstar of magic based solely on the number of times he's been on Letterman. This is also obvious from the press releases he sends to GENII and to MAGIC MANUSCRIPT. It really is unfortunate that there are those who perpetuate the stereotypical image of the polyester conjuror with the transparent tricks. In a way, though, it's good for those of us who even have moderate sleight-of-hand ability. When I work restaurants, I always hear things like, "I've never seen anything like that" or "You're the best magician I've ever seen." We've all heard things like that from the lay public, which just proves how little GOOD magic is seen these days among the rank and file. Speaking of polyester bunglers, has anyone ever seen a tape put out by Mr. Deception (Lou Cacciotti, Jr.) called "Secrets of Close-Up Magic"? It was distributed by Robbins for awhile. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I run the tape to amuse other magician guests when they come over. It's a "teaching tape" and I picked it up at an auction. Just a sample of the dubious material on it. The jacket says that Mr. Deception teaches, among other things, Three Card Monte. Does he teach the hype move? Not on your life! He uses the old "flap card" dodge, and what's ever worse, when he performs the trick for a lay audience at the beginning of the tape, the denouement has the odd card saying "Better luck next time, sucker!" It would be pretty funny if it wasn't for the sad truth that there are guys like that (and Kamaar) making it just that much tougher for the rest of us. Msg #8122 Dated 21:23:30 03-10-91 -> 8127 From: JIM SISTI To: ALL Re: WORDS OF WISDOM Chris Carey, at the New England Magicians Conference a couple of weeks ago, had an interesting thing to say...something I've been pondering since then. I thought I'd share it with the rest of you. He said that musicians, actors, dancers, etc. look down their noses at variety artists because (generally speaking) when an actor, musician, etc. peforms, he or she does so to express something, either about themselves or the world...again generally speaking, variety folks (magicians, jugglers, vents, etc.) do their respective thing, because they can... It made me take a little closer look at my magic and what I can do to maybe make it matter just a little bit to my audiences. Just thought I'd lob that one out... Msg #8124 Dated 22:09:55 03-10-91 8114 <--> 8166 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: WATCH They moved? Msg #8125 Dated 22:10:21 03-10-91 8115 <--> 8444 From: PETE BIRO To: HARRISON CARROLL (X) Re: KAMAAR Carson is the one that uses good magic. And the Letterman's and Leno's (who work for Carson) don't like to "BE SIMILAR" -- they want their own things. Not that I agree with them. I hope to see both and ask 'em. Msg #8127 Dated 22:14:23 03-10-91 8122 <--> 8141 From: PETE BIRO To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: WORDS OF WISDOM I find that if you just do things that are RELEVANT (hard to REALLY define) it MAKES BIG DIFFERENCE. No matter what someone says, tho, what YOU THINK IS MOST IMPORTANTO! Msg #8133 Dated 0:31:58 03-11-91 8105 <--> 8134 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS Abbott's? Heard they went chapter 11. Seems they were getting a LOT of orders from folks here on MAGIC!, but weren't getting any shipments from suppliers 'cause they didn't know their address. Seriously - you prompt the start of the Abbott's address war again and I'll reset your access to MAGIC! to 300 baud. Msg #8134 Dated 0:34:50 03-11-91 8107 <--> 8139 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS For $150 bucks a deck I'll laser print 'em and hand initial them for you. By the way, regular "blank" cards will NOT work in a laser printer! Don't even think about it! Msg #8136 Dated 0:37:44 03-11-91 8109 <--> 8755 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: GOLDSTON BOOX Not yours after we've finished, buddy! Msg #8137 Dated 0:38:41 03-11-91 8110 <--> 8153 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC! #15 Er, lets see... So far, only MAGIC-01 thru MAGIC-15 have messages from you in them. That should simplify things. Tell you what - ship me your hard disk and I'll put 'em on it for you. Msg #8139 Dated 1:21:44 03-11-91 8074 <--> 8148 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: JUGGLING CARDS looked at them today, I was told by the sales rep that they are called platnik, but the decks say piatnik on them, they are made in Vienna Austria. and are done in a 14 color process. They are nice cards but expensive. the double decks go for 16.95 in our store. Msg #8140 Dated 1:29:02 03-11-91 8083 <- From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: FORCE DECKS This is about where I'm at now I have a few things I do at the counter but it never fails to get too busy when I try to pull this off. I just keep practicing. Msg #8141 Dated 1:41:50 03-11-91 8122 <--> 8143 From: T A WATERS To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: WORDS OF WISDOM I agree with Carey, in this instance -- which is probably why I said the same thing in my Intro to FYNYS published six years ago; not that I am the first to make that observation. Msg #8142 Dated 4:51:55 03-11-91 -> 8156 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: ALL Re: AWARDS & SEMINAR Am I right that last weekend you had the Magical Academy Awards? If so, what were the results???? . Another question: What can we expect on MAGIC! during the symposium? I hope same as during last IBM in St. Louis. Please keep us updated with all the latest is magic on daily basis. At least this can give us the feeling to be 'there'. . Arnaud. Msg #8143 Dated 6:04:04 03-11-91 8122 <--> 8154 From: TABBY CRABB To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: WORDS OF WISDOM Having been in "show" biz for 25 years on a professional level in music and also being around movie and tv people I've never seen anyone who had any talent look down their "nose" at anyone else in the biz who had any talent regardless of their chosen area of performance. Maybe I've lived a more than sheltered life, however music has taken me to all fifty states, several foreign shores and even to the big screen in "Urban Cowboy." The only snobbery I've experienced is from people who were unsure of their talent (maybe they didn't have any) or were fearful of being taken. I've found in many instances that my interest in magic has given me an edge over others less diverse. To make a blanket statement like you say Chris Carey has done is rabble rousing and does little good for the relations of people in entertainment as a whole. I've found that the more talent (in any field) that an individual possesses generally the more open and accepting they are of all in any allied field plus, I'll say it again. Music people generally love magic. Music and magic are allied. Even Max Maven plays the piano as does Vernon and his teacher Ray Grismer, Jeff Busby played steel guitar (one of the toughest of all instruments), etc, etc, etc..... I really don't understand Chris Carey's statement at all and wonder where he was coming from. Perhaps he's making some kind of statement to get people to think about what they're doing. Don't know... Msg #8145 Dated 6:28:43 03-11-91 -> 8157 From: TABBY CRABB To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: TIM CONOVER Tim Conover is one of my favorite people in magic. Wish I'd known you "ran" into him in DC would gotten you to say hello from Tabby Crabb. Tim lives just across the river. He told me once that I reminded him (personality wise) of Mike Skinner which I took as a great compliment. Tim is one of those magicians like Harrison Carroll who gets little press in the magic field, but is an excellent trade show worker and gets lots of good work (stays mucho busy). Tell Walter Blaney when you see him at magic club that WestWord Entertainment Review loved the story on him. Rachel (editor) said she didn't know being a magician was so involved. The piece on Zaney should be in the next issue which I'll be sure to see that he getz. I forgot to give you three bux for postage for Houston Magic Club News but will put in the drawer on your tabman table along with the Fulves book you were so kind to lend me. Table should be coming along to you by months end as will be back in the shop again most of this week. Adios Magic Friend (AMF), tabman PS...Thanks for showing me the effect with the 20 Peso piece. I did some rummaging in Uncle Ben's desk and found four or five of them and will give it a shot. Quick and easy like you. Take care. Stay on the Faro Box man and let me or Pete know whats going on. Msg #8146 Dated 7:00:27 03-11-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: ENLIGHTENED MAGICIANS I've been seeing ads for M. Jeffrey's new book "The Enlightened Magicians". It looks interesting and am wondering if any of you have a copy that you can provided some comments relating to the value of, etc. Msg #8147 Dated 7:42:15 03-11-91 -> 8158 From: MICHAEL GAGNE To: KARL RHODES (X) Re: P & T'S BBS Hello, I have the number that you're looking for. It's in the book, Cruel Tricks for Dear Friends. I've accessed the BBS. It's not good at all. It would be a waste of time for a magician. I'll get the number and send it to you on my next time on. Msg #8148 Dated 8:32:05 03-11-91 8139 <--> 8152 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS Thanks for the info, Doug. At least I know where to get 'em (Platnik/Piatnik) cards after I win the lottery. Msg #8151 Dated 9:12:15 03-11-91 -> 8159 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: ALL Re: CUT AND RESTORED FINGER? It happens to the best of us. Word has it that during a recent performance, that Mr. Copperfield was performing a cut and restored rope routine when... "snip, snip, snip,sn..OWWWWWW!" David announced to the crowd, "Ladies and Gentlemen, I've just cut off the tip of my finger!" The audience responded with thunderous applause! No, he didn't restore it. The show was "cut off" early! (Sorry, I just couldn't resist!) Msg #8152 Dated 11:26:01 03-11-91 8134 <--> 8161 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: JUGGLING CARDS HOw about "IRREGULAR" blank cards? What was wrong? Why, because they are too small? My HP has a feature for stiff paper? Hmmmm? Msg #8153 Dated 11:27:50 03-11-91 8137 <--> 8162 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: MAGIC! #15 FEDEX or UPS? Msg #8154 Dated 11:29:16 03-11-91 8143 <- From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: WORDS OF WISDOM ditto tabbo Msg #8156 Dated 11:29:36 03-11-91 8142 <--> 8173 From: PETE BIRO To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: AWARDS & SEMINAR NO PROBLEMO AMIGO Msg #8157 Dated 11:30:32 03-11-91 8145 <--> 8168 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TIM CONOVER YO FARO Msg #8158 Dated 11:30:54 03-11-91 8147 <--> 8163 From: PETE BIRO To: MICHAEL GAGNE Re: P & T'S BBS I tried P&T but got nothing but "connected" then nuttin' Honey...? Msg #8159 Dated 11:31:33 03-11-91 8151 <- From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: CUT AND RESTORED FINGER? That's like the time I "reaally" caught my finger in a real RAT TRAP: The spec's thought I was a GREAT ACTOR! Showing real looking Pain!!! Msg #8161 Dated 13:17:22 03-11-91 8152 <--> 8167 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS You can get around the "too small" problem with cards by making a mask to hold them in place. And the stiff paper will pretty much pass through a laser printer. The problem is the plastic coating on "regular" blank cards - it doesn't permit the toner to fuse properly. I think that the coating can be removed with 00 steel wool. Msg #8162 Dated 13:19:15 03-11-91 8153 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC! #15 Ship it parked, well packed and via the safest possible method. I plan to install it in the computer that I am receiving - the one with the MasterCard jammed in the diskette drive. MAGIC-16.TXT is about to go to the files area. Msg #8163 Dated 13:21:57 03-11-91 8158 <--> 8186 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: P & T'S BBS Maybe P&T took their system down due to lack of interest? I tried it once and it wasn't really a "bulletin board," but was more of an announcement of their upcoming shows, etc. Meanwhile, your Circus Board seems to be dead. It rings and rings. Hmmm. Maybe it was designed to answer on the "third ring?" Msg #8165 Dated 13:26:01 03-11-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAGIC! #16 The sixteenth set of MAGIC! messages - #7500 (March 1, 1991) to #7999 (March 8, 1991) - has been transfered to a downloadable file. The file is named MAGIC-16.TXT. This means that you can now go to the file area, download this file, and read the six- teenth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-16.ZIP and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version. This volume includes a number of good effects and tips on handling. Among them are Jim Hoy's suggestions for Trouble Wit, notes on handling a Body Servante, Scott Cram's 2-Clubs, some hints on Ring Flyte handling from Jim Hoy, David Lichtman's handling of Impossible Penetration, and Tabby Crabb's Human Cannonball. There are threads discussing the possible bio-engineering of loaded eggs, variations on Chink-A-Chink, more on how to live with rabbits (with a bunny routine by Richard Hart), women's participation in magic, and a brief controversy concerning comedy magic. There is also a discussion, with Arnaud Van Delden of Holland, on performing magic for relatives, Not only will transfering these messages to a file make it easier for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the search for new messages easier and faster. Msg #8166 Dated 13:29:01 03-11-91 8124 <- From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: WATCH ...And WATTA move! It was INVISIBLE!!! Msg #8167 Dated 14:30:04 03-11-91 8106 <--> 8753 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS Why stop there? Msg #8168 Dated 14:32:02 03-11-91 8157 <--> 8171 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TIM CONOVER Pharoh? Msg #8169 Dated 14:36:55 03-11-91 -> 8189 From: SKIP SANSOUCIE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HELLO Now your talking....... I`ve always been a fan of site gags and the like.. you think that comedy is the main theem in most club acts or is it the magic? I see alittle of both here. Msg #8170 Dated 14:42:43 03-11-91 -> 8172 From: SKIP SANSOUCIE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: HELLO Do you have club where thay have JUST MAGIC out there? here we have nothing like that, ( that I know of). Msg #8171 Dated 16:17:57 03-11-91 8168 <--> 8187 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: PHAROH? Timely topic! Here's a quote from Mel Blanc... "Moses turned his staff into a snake. But Pharoh was unimpressed. He knew that most advertising staffs turned into snakes every Monday morning." Msg #8172 Dated 16:19:29 03-11-91 8170 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: SKIP SANSOUCIE (X) Re: HELLO Well, Skip, we do have the Magic Castle! That is one place where MAGIC RULES. Msg #8173 Dated 16:21:06 03-11-91 8142 <--> 8190 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: AWARDS & SEMINAR Academy of Magical Arts Award Winners 1991 Close-Up Magician of the Year - Dave Williamson Parlour Magician of the Year - Michael Ammar Stage Magician of the Year - Amos Levkovitch Lecturer of the Year - Dave Williamson Junior Magician of the Year - Steve Barnes MAGICIAN OF THE YEAR - SILVAN Fellowships Literary Fellowship - Mickey Hades Performing Fellowship - Del Ray Creative Fellowship - Jim Steinmeyer Special Fellowship - Charles Schultz LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT FELLOWSHIP - JACK McMILLEN MASTERS FELLOWSHIP - CHANNING POLLOCK As to the Desert Magic Seminar - we have a few SECRET PLANS that, if they work, will top last year's coverage (I'm in charge of those). If they don't work, we will have reports that will be as good as, or better than, last year's! (Pete is in charge of those). Msg #8175 Dated 17:08:15 03-11-91 -> 8177 From: JIM SISTI To: ALL Re: MALINI EGG BAG Does anyone have a good source for a Malini Egg Bag routine? I have the Stevens tape with Charlie Miller and Johnny Thompson, but, as their routines are almost identical and there are no handling particulars discussed at any length, I'd be interested in seeing some other ideas. Msg #8176 Dated 17:21:02 03-11-91 -> 8180 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: GERALDO CANE Mondo Cane arrived today. Your memory is longer than the road I live on. Wow! Thanks... Msg #8177 Dated 17:25:31 03-11-91 8175 <--> 8191 From: TABBY CRABB To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: MALINI EGG BAG There is some discussion in MALINI AND HIS MAGIC by Vernon and Ganson also I remember in GENII afew back a Magicana devoted to such a siscussion also. Msg #8179 Dated 20:03:26 03-11-91 -> 8193 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: DANTE/TEMPLE Anybody heard any news on publication date on Phil Temple's DANTE? Msg #8180 Dated 20:53:58 03-11-91 8176 <--> 8185 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: GERALDO CANE Yeah, I ain't fast, but I gets there. Enjoy! Msg #8185 Dated 21:39:00 03-11-91 8180 <--> 8192 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: GERALDO CANE Aesop proved that a determined turtle can beat a cocky rabbit any day of the week. Msg #8186 Dated 21:48:05 03-11-91 8163 <- From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: P & T'S BBS Cool it Msg #8187 Dated 21:49:30 03-11-91 8168 <--> 8188 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TIM CONOVER Pharoa? If you have ANY Faro knowledge, you know playing the game was called "bucking the tiger" -- I have a nice logo with Tiger Face and "Bucking the Tiger Enterprises" for a use I haven't decided on yet. Will show ya at the Seminary. Msg #8188 Dated 21:50:45 03-11-91 8171 <--> 8198 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: PHAROH? ooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww s Msg #8189 Dated 21:51:20 03-11-91 8169 <- From: PETE BIRO To: SKIP SANSOUCIE (X) Re: HELLO Content varies. Some more comedy than magic. I like Magic with Comedic approach. Of coure my new act will have three singers and a ballerina helping me. Msg #8190 Dated 21:52:49 03-11-91 8173 <- From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: AWARDS & SEMINAR I am? Nice line up of winners. I especially think Silvan and Jack McMillen were great SURPRISE WINNERS (and deserving). Silvan Phoned me this morning and we had long, great chat. We nearly had his full illusions show at Boston, but his TV and Movie schedule along with expense to ship illusions were too much to overcome. SOME DAY. Msg #8191 Dated 21:54:41 03-11-91 8175 <- From: PETE BIRO To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: MALINI EGG BAG The best handling BAR NONE is the instructions produced by Ken Brooke. And to my knowledge Joe Stevens supplies these handling instructions with the purchase of the bag. Magic Inc. in Chicago, and Stevens are TO MY KNOWLEDGE the ONLY authorized to sell the Malini (actually Charlie Miller) bag. Sid Lorraine and I did the illustrations for the Ken Brooke bags. I made the actual sketches from Ken's hands and Sid did the finished art. I did this because it was the Perfect way to learn from Ken. Once you learn the handling you can adapt the Patter/Presentation... but you MUST LEARN the correct handling. Msg #8192 Dated 21:57:54 03-11-91 8185 <--> 8197 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: GERALDO CANE At what? Msg #8193 Dated 21:58:04 03-11-91 8179 <--> 8219 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DANTE/TEMPLE I saw Phil last week. He had the final galley proofs and said 'SOON' 'VERY SOON' --- Msg #8194 Dated 21:58:37 03-11-91 -> 8199 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: END OF MESSAGES Gee I was just having a great time and END OF MESSAGES. What will I do now? Msg #8196 Dated 23:29:42 03-11-91 -> 8201 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: ALL Re: FEMALE MAGICIANS Just to let everyone know...last IBM ring 21 meeting there were 3 thats Three female magicians applying for membership to the ring. Better look out as I understand that all are good performers! Msg #8197 Dated 1:44:24 03-12-91 8192 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: GERALDO CANE Stayin' outta hats! Msg #8198 Dated 1:46:18 03-12-91 8188 <--> 8207 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: PHAROH? Mel Blanc really said it. In a speech to the National Association of Broadcasters, ca. 1965. Furthermore - it is a piece of our history. Far as I know, Moses vs. Pharoh's magicians was the first documented magic challenge contest. Msg #8199 Dated 1:50:43 03-12-91 8194 <--> 8243 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: END OF MESSAGES Yes, it must be a slow week - only 194 messages in three days. Oh, well, Desert Magic is coming up and everyone is probably packing. I went over the list of everything you've told Tabman and I you were going to bring and will look for your U-Haul. Gotta switch systems now and see if I can put the awards list on MAGIC-NL. Msg #8201 Dated 1:55:26 03-12-91 8196 <--> 8216 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: FEMALE MAGICIANS Good deal! Be sure to tell 'em all about MAGIC! Msg #8203 Dated 2:17:37 03-12-91 -> 8217 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY I think we just made some kinda history, folks! It is around 2 a.m. here in Los Angeles, Tuesday, March 12, 1991. A few moments ago Frank Zak from Las Vegas was on-line to MAGIC! So was Matt Matsuyama from Yokahama, Japan. AND I was on-line to MAGIC-NL in Holland! Msg #8205 Dated 3:10:32 03-12-91 From: MIKE KING To: ALL Re: SILKS Am in the marketr for good quality silks to use in routine. Am interested in finding better quality silks than those sold in shops. Need various sizes, including 12", 18", 24", and 36", as well as a six footer. Am relatively new to the L.A. area and need a bit of help. And while I am on the subject of acquiring props, I am in the market for a MAGIC HANDS "Champagne Bottle Three". If anyone might know of one for sale, new or used, please advise. Thank you. King. PS: You may contact me here or by VOX (213) 546-2329. Msg #8207 Dated 7:22:23 03-12-91 8187 <--> 8236 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TIM CONOVER In a previous life I ran a gambling house complete with Faro game in Carson City. One day a particularly nasty customer came in. Around 1903-04, I think it was. He did a few card tricks for the guys at the bar before settling down to play with some of the local boys at one of the card tables. He lost heavy at first and asked me if we could raise the house limit which of course I did to accomodate him. Don't want to weigh you down with detail but one of the regulars, Two Finger Red, came to me after the sandy haired stranger started to win big with suspicions of card sharping, second dealing, dirty dealing and having dirty finger nails. Course, if dirty finger nails was a crime we'd of had to hang everybody in town, but card sharping, second dealing, and dirty dealing was another matter so I watched him closely. After a particularly heavy round we observed the top card was buckled slightly. After he cut the deck, the buckled card was still in its' place so I asked Red to turn the top card over so we could all see it. You guessed it. The very same king of diamonds that the stranger had drawn to make an inside straight flush winning the biggest pot of the night. This didn't sit well with the boys so they took him back to his hotel and searched the room finding all manner of cheating devices in one of his five steamer trunks. Of note was the leather bound presentation copy of "The Expert At The Card Table" which was found under the false bottom of the second trunk. An Ace of Spades was used as a book mark and he'd only read through page 32. Good thing for us. We lynched the stranger and buried him on boot hill just outside the town limits. Two Finger Red wanted to keep the "hold out" so we let him since it was a right handed unit and that was the hand that gave Red his nickname. Of interest here was the inscription we had burned into the strangers toombstone: "The Man Who Wasn't Erdnase" Msg #8208 Dated 7:48:15 03-12-91 -> 8215 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: JUGGLING CARDS - Messages to/from US ------------------------------ LOCAL008 - Msg : 67 of 69 Loc From : Arnoud Van Delden 11 Mar 91 20:50:00 To : Magic-Us Subj : Piatnik Cards -------------------------------------------------------------- Address this to David Lichtman please... . Hey David, I have not the slightest idea what you're talking about (the gimmick that's in the deck and enables you to do funny things with it) but the Piatnik cards are quite normal here. I most of the time use the Poker size cards from the US International Playing Card Company for 'normal' card work, and the Piatnik cards (they are much cheaper overhere) when a card is folded or signed. . Strange to hear that they are so difficult to get there. Maybe we can make an exchange, the US cards are quite expensive overhere (they cost about $ 5.50 overhere!). But I also heard that the postage to send decks is so high because of the weight.... . Don't touch your dial..... Arnoud Msg #8209 Dated 7:49:18 03-12-91 -> 8226 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: COIN TRICK - Messages to/from US ------------------------------ LOCAL008 - Msg : 68 of 69 Loc From : Arnoud Van Delden 11 Mar 91 20:51:00 To : Magic-Us Subj : Coin under watch --------------------------------------------------------------- Address this to Stan Lake.... . Hey Stan! Nice to hear about your coin trick. (I wished I could talk about tricks to do near the Magic Castle.... It is not around the corner for me!) . For two years I met a nice fellow magician om Mallorca (his name is Little George Rumsey, from England) when we were talking, drinking and doing magic after one of his shows overthere, he showed me something like you mentioned, but the effect is done in the spectators hand and the magic coin travels to the spectators watch! he completely fooled me when he did it for me.... . I will not go into the complete handling here (you can make one up yourself I guess) but the idea is this: You mention your coin vanish is the fastest in the world and show them two half dollars or similar sized coins. Have them check their watch and remember the time. You now grasp their wrists en loads a third coin UNDER THEIR watch. This coin was classic palmed and in finger rest position just before. The main thing is that the coin was (classic) palmed for some time and has body temperature. I goes very fast and they will suspect nothing! Keep talking to cover any noise during the load... Have them hold their palms up (both hands) and drop a coin in either hand. Ask them to closely look to the two coins and ask them to select the coin you are about to vanish. Take this coin and fake transfer it (thumbpalm), immediately take the other coin from their hands and drop it (together with the palmed one) in your pocket. Say 'Okay this coin it will be!, now watch...' Make a gesture and show your hand empty. . By this time they will have theirs hands lowered again and forgot all about you touching them.... Ask the spectator to check the time again, sometimes the load did succeed so well (or the watch so great) that they don't spot the coin. If this happens ask if they want to know how it is done and check their own watch again.... etc. . Please let me know if you tried this and how the reactions are! Because the spectator is involved, it is much stronger! Because you mentioned it here, I remembered it and will also play around with it again I think.... See you! Arnoud (from the heart of the small country) . Hey this is great! I just got an idea about something that's even stronger... Find out a handling inwich both coins vanish. Then reproduce the first one from under your own watch and use the other one under their watch for a knock-out! I think this is a very strong close-up effect indeed! We'll keep in touch! Msg #8214 Dated 11:30:59 03-12-91 8063 <--> 8218 From: MARVIN STERN To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: RING 21 Today or tommorrow I'll look it up in The Vernon Chronicles, I've been told that it is in there. Also, in looking through my lecture notes, I found notes on this. I haven't looked them over carefully, but I see that towards the end, the notes talk about a "break". I don't remember that as being part of Arnon instructions. I can mail these notes to you and/or The Chronicles pages within the next couple days. ....or maybe put it on MAGIC. Let me know your pleasure. That Ring 21 meeting that I attended was certainly a good meeting and very enjoyable. Msg #8215 Dated 11:35:01 03-12-91 8208 <--> 8246 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS To: Arnaud VanReitschoten Well, I think I know why the U.S. decks are so expensive in Holland and why the Piatnik decks are so expensive here. I just checked and a poker size deck weighs about 4 ounces (113 g. ?). Airmail postage from the U.S. to Holland would be $3.60! The U.S. decks are normally about $2.00 here and sometimes go on sale for around $1.39. I will check on surface mail and maybe we could exchange some that way. Regards. Msg #8216 Dated 11:42:52 03-12-91 8201 <--> 8241 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: FEMALE MAGICIANS Already done keosabe(sp) Msg #8217 Dated 11:43:54 03-12-91 8203 <--> 8223 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY Alexander Bell couldn't even guess this was possible and yet it happened! Msg #8218 Dated 11:48:56 03-12-91 8214 <--> 8225 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: RING 21 Marvin, I will write the steps as I have them and leave it here for you to look over. Ill do it off line so it may take a day as going to work interferes with my time here. Msg #8219 Dated 11:55:46 03-12-91 8179 <- From: PATRICE MOORE To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DANTE/TEMPLE Tabby, got a letter a couple of days ago saying he's added lots to the book. So I'm to be looking for it maybe around April 15. Hope he has invested the money well we all sent him - must be earning lots of interest!! Msg #8221 Dated 12:00:11 03-12-91 -> 8224 From: PATRICE MOORE To: ALL Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART So, for those of you that have gotten to the Magic Castle lately, what do YOU think?? I don't know, but it bothers me. If you don't know what I'm talking about (and you've been to the Magic Castle in the last week), then I guess it's not so bad. Just really bothers me, though! Msg #8222 Dated 12:03:59 03-12-91 From: PATRICE MOORE To: ALL Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART Is my message 8221 obscure enough? Msg #8223 Dated 12:07:33 03-12-91 8217 <--> 8230 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY Just took a quick look at a globe. I'm not too good at geography, but it looks like at that moment MAGIC! (and MAGIC-NL) were spanning across 15 time zones, about 225 degrees of longitude, a good bit more than half way across the globe! Msg #8224 Dated 12:10:25 03-12-91 8221 <--> 8228 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART If you are talking about the "red and black" thing, yeah, I wasn't too jazzed either! Msg #8225 Dated 12:17:01 03-12-91 8214 <--> 8229 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: RING 21 Marvin, here is the steps as I worked them out the next morning after I forgot what to do. Let me know how I did and post the corrected steps if possible. My address is: Doug Larson - 333 E. Fairview Av #110 - Glendale - 91207 Thanks for your help Twisting Aces Triple Buckle Turnover Misdirect with A-spades and flip the stack in the left Place A-spades under the now flipped stack and turn over Elmsley to show A-hearts Elmsley to show A-clubs; underground the final card Triple buckle turnover Elmsly to show A-diamonds; underground the final card At this point the cards are 3 facedown and A-diamonds up A-diamond is 2nd from the top. Spread the stack and remove the A-diamonds to position it onto the end of the stack and keep a finger break on the A-spades. Close the stack and Cut the cards at the break, turn the bottom two cards(these are below the break) face up and place them under the two cards above the break this is to apparantly right all the cards Flip the stack to facedown and Elmsley to show all the backs the same (facedown) last card is always underground until you want to expose the A-spades. Let me know if I missed or messed something up. BTW I believe that they may have a follow up to all the sessions at next months meeting as many people were having trouble because of the limited time to practice Msg #8226 Dated 12:19:42 03-12-91 8209 <- From: STAN LAKE To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: COIN TRICK Finding a coin under someone's watch would be a VERY strong effect as you have presented it. But- How are you going to practice a move like that? I guess you just have to be bold and do it! I like the idea though and I may try it sometime when I'm feeling especially courageous! Msg #8228 Dated 12:25:43 03-12-91 8221 <--> 8231 From: STAN LAKE To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART You must be talking about that refuse welded together from the junk yard and perched on a pole across from the front door. I was hoping it was just a temporary blight. Can it be towed away? Msg #8229 Dated 12:31:42 03-12-91 8225 <--> 8235 From: TABBY CRABB To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: RING 21 That's twisted. Msg #8230 Dated 12:31:45 03-12-91 8223 <--> 8244 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY CUSTOMS AGENT: Okay, hold it right there! Would you mind opening up your modems, please? Msg #8231 Dated 12:35:44 03-12-91 8221 <--> 8240 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART Well... In my famous subtle phrasing, let me say this... IT'S A PUTRID EYESORE!!!! TOTALLY OUT OF PLACE IN FRONT OF THE MAGIC CASTLE!!! IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ATROCIOUS "CAN OPENER" WAS ARRANGED BY MILT LARSEN WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT OF THE MAGIC CASTLE BOARD OF DIRECTORS!!!! OUTRAGEOUS!!!! INSANE!!!! MILT SHOULD BE ARRESTED!!!! ... Someday I'm gonna get off the fence and REALLY tell you how strongly I feel about this! ... Msg #8235 Dated 13:39:20 03-12-91 8229 <--> 8599 From: MARVIN STERN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: RING 21 Nixon had him twisting in the wind. Msg #8236 Dated 13:40:49 03-12-91 8198 <--> 8242 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: PHAROH? Do you attend NAB? Msg #8239 Dated 14:23:01 03-12-91 From: MARVIN STERN To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: TWISTING Letter and instructions mailed today. Hope it help, as I still haven't checked them out. You and I should stop spinning our wheels and just ask Pete or Tabby. They always have an answer. Msg #8240 Dated 14:27:46 03-12-91 8231 <--> 8247 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART Somebody pleeeze take a ploaroid and bring it to LV next week. Msg #8241 Dated 14:47:30 03-12-91 8196 <--> 8756 From: PETE BIRO To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: FEMALE MAGICIANS Lettuce Know! Msg #8242 Dated 14:49:13 03-12-91 8207 <--> 8251 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TIM CONOVER Prove it! Msg #8243 Dated 14:49:38 03-12-91 8199 <--> 8254 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: END OF MESSAGES What did I promise to bring? Oh, Joe said "Yep, got the overhead projector... BUT, HOW YOU GOING TO GET THE WORD OUT????" Interesting. We will make some signs on bulletin board, right? Msg #8244 Dated 14:51:01 03-12-91 8223 <--> 8245 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY And all saying, "take a card, any card...." Msg #8245 Dated 14:51:19 03-12-91 8230 <--> 8303 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY You always have a thimble handy for a quick vanish for any customs inspector. You should have seen the Japanese in Tokyo airport (THEY HAND INSPECT EVERYTHING) with my 9 bottle set, the linking rings, and all kinds of stuff scattered out. They were really going over me. But, BUT, they missed the blank gun (which I found out later IS ILLEGAL TO BRING INTO JAPAN -- YEP EVEN A TOY OR A BLANK IS VERBOTEN).... HAHAHAH Msg #8246 Dated 14:53:25 03-12-91 8208 <- From: PETE BIRO To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS We used to have a Low Price airmail to Europe rate called "AO" it stood for Other Article... and was very reasonable as long as no first class message was included. Of course sea mail is cheap if no hurry. Msg #8247 Dated 14:56:22 03-12-91 8221 <--> 8248 From: PETE BIRO To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART What???????????????????????/ Msg #8248 Dated 14:56:33 03-12-91 8224 <--> 8250 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART What is ittttttttttttttttt? Msg #8249 Dated 15:34:40 03-12-91 From: MARVIN STERN To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: GENII Take my wife, please ... but don't mess up my subscription to Genii. Msg #8250 Dated 16:43:33 03-12-91 8248 <--> 8258 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART "It" is "The Magician," a new piece of "modern art" contributed by an artist named "Michael" (Apparently his folks were wise at the time of his birth and decided not to grace him with their last name). Unveiled on March 7th, it has replaced the very lovely birdbath that stood across from the entrance. It is 20 feet high and made from parts of cars and trucks. To quote from a Castle blurb, "It looks like a black cat wearing a red lined magician's cape fashioned from an automobile hood. The artist says it was inspired by Lance Burton." Msg #8251 Dated 16:48:48 03-12-91 8236 <--> 8255 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: PHAROH? Not since then! I used to be in radio/television. It was a great speech. Msg #8254 Dated 16:55:24 03-12-91 8243 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: END OF MESSAGES How am I supposed to remember what you promised Tabman and I you would bring? I'm too busy packing my own U-Haul. I know that you are going to show me a spiffy handling for the Signed Bill to Sealed Envelope to Wallet and that I'm supposed to being my Seabrooke wallet. Yes, we will have to make signs for the bulletin board. If you are going in early on Thursday, is there any chance you could post them? I won't be there 'till late Thursday, which doesn't leave much time. Msg #8255 Dated 17:04:12 03-12-91 8242 <--> 8447 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TIM CONOVER By all accounts Two Finger Red went on to become the Lt. Governor of Nevada. He won his spot on the ticket while playing in a high stakes poker game at the state house with the incumbent Lt. Gov. who made the mistake of assuming Jerome McGill (Red's real name as he was now leading the straight life) would never get the king of diamonds he needed to fill an inside straight flush. In 1923 shortly after Red's demise his personal journal surfaced in a collection of political memorabilia belonging to Russell "Rapid Rake" Reynolds noted collector of gambling devices who'd gotten into collecting after he "couldn't get a good game up if he gave away free beer" because of his propensity to rush the pot. On page 141 of Jerome's handwritten account of early Carson City gambling houses and the gamblers who frequented them, he (Red) states positively that the sandy haired gambler they lynched that August day in 1906 was a semi-professional card cheat named Benjamin "Mr. Marm" Smedley. It seems Mr. Smedley was the school teacher in Junction, NV just across the county line. After "Mr. Marm" didn't show up monday, his wife knowing his intentions to "fleece the flounders at The Tiger Club" came looking for him and discovered Red sporting the unprepared and unlucky Smedley's pocket watch which had been a gift from his father upon his graduation from Harvard. Because of this information we can state conclusivly that Benjamin Smedley did not write "The Expert At The Card Table" and was not Erdnase. In fact, "Mrs. Marm" who was married to Jerome "Two Fingered Red" McGill in 1911 stated from her death bed in 1939 that knowing his interest in card tricks she gave Benj. Smedley the little book as an anniversary gift having bought it at a police auction in San Francisco sometime late in 1905. It was a guilt that she carried to her grave. Msg #8256 Dated 17:58:50 03-12-91 -> 8277 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: GET REEL! Pete: The Reel arrived today! Great! Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! One question - how do you attach this one to anything? One side has the locking mechanism, and the other has a center disk made of paper. Msg #8258 Dated 18:44:37 03-12-91 8221 <--> 8302 From: RICHARD HART To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART I'll second that motion, Patrice. My guest thought that a water-spouting "Super Pig" was entirely out of place. Art museum, yes, Magic Castle, no. It may be art, but is it _magic_? Msg #8260 Dated 19:47:32 03-12-91 -> 8278 From: BURT CARPENTER To: ALL Re: DESERT ROOMS For those who may have procrastinated getting their room reservations for Desert Magic here is a list of hotels within walking distance of the Tropicana, and their reservation numbers. Excalibur 800-937-7777 Ramada Hotel San Remo 800-522-7366 Hacienda 800-634-6713 The best $$$ deal though is Motel 6 just about 1-2 blocks away at 27.95 per night including the weekends. Their reservation number is (505)891-6161. See y'all there. Msg #8265 Dated 20:47:42 03-12-91 -> 8460 From: JIM SISTI To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: MAGIC MENU #4 Just wondering if you folks got the sample issue OK and if Michael Weber was going to review it. I'd be interested in getting a copy of the review if that is the case. Thanks in advance (and thanks for the sample issue of "Inside Magic." I'll be subscribing in the near future.) Msg #8266 Dated 21:17:16 03-12-91 8120 <--> 8270 From: ROBIN DAWES To: RICHARD HART (X) Re: WABBITS Thanks, will do Robin Msg #8268 Dated 21:47:43 03-12-91 -> 8271 From: WILLIAM ZETTLER To: ALL Re: DESERT MAGIC I would like to know about "Desert Magic" at the Tropicana in Vegas. When is it??? How much $$$ ??? where ??? Who can attened and who will be there ??? please give me any info possable !!! thankyou very much!!! William Msg #8270 Dated 22:10:55 03-12-91 8266 <- From: RICHARD HART To: ROBIN DAWES (X) Re: WABBITS Ah, make that messages #15 AND #16. Gawd, I can't believe how busy this bbs is. Must be Magic! Msg #8271 Dated 22:13:55 03-12-91 8268 <--> 8280 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WILLIAM ZETTLER (X) Re: DESERT MAGIC Desert Magic is an annual event hosted by Joe Stevens of Stevens Magic Emporium, Wichita, Kansas (316-683-9582). This year's will be March 21st to March 24th. Registration is $125. Don't know if it is still possible to register for this year - suggest you contact Joe Stevens. MAGIC! will be having a its official First Anniversary Meeting as a part of the Desert Magic Seminar. It will be on Friday morning at 9 a.m. Msg #8272 Dated 22:35:11 03-12-91 7983 <- From: STEVE SILVERMAN To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: PROMISES It would be my pleasure, Marv, to show you that 3 coin thing at the beach or at the castle. just name the place and time....steve Msg #8273 Dated 22:37:22 03-12-91 8067 <--> 8330 From: STEVE SILVERMAN To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: 3 COIN TRICK I will compare what I do with the routine you mentioned in your message and get back to you. It was late but I enjoyed meeting you and sharing that effect. Are you going to Desert Magic this month? If not I'll look for you at the Castle. I'll probably be there again this Thursday. Msg #8277 Dated 23:31:03 03-12-91 8256 <--> 8286 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: GET REEL! I dunno Msg #8278 Dated 23:31:18 03-12-91 8260 <--> 8321 From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: DESERT ROOMS Hey, stay at the Trop... how do we get any perks if you guys don't fill the joint? Msg #8280 Dated 23:32:13 03-12-91 8268 <- From: PETE BIRO To: WILLIAM ZETTLER (X) Re: DESERT MAGIC Trust me -- be there. I have to run, re ask the question in two days. Msg #8282 Dated 23:38:53 03-12-91 7353 <--> 8322 From: SHAWN FARQUHAR To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: GREETINGS Hi Burt. Thanks for the kind words. Ilike to say I'm a Dove Magician by choice! I work in the classic style with 40's type music and dress. I have quite a number of original touches and recently ( Feb 1990 ) recieved a nice compliment from Micheal Ammar in regards to a champagne bottle vanish I use in my show. I was the Second place winner at PCAM and was the closing act on the opening night of the 1990 Magic Cruise. I'm not much of a finger flinger and any body on the cruise can attest to that fact! I like to work restaurants but I have a ninety minute touring illusion show that makes me alot more money so touring is my main income. I also worked extensivly for Cunard Cruise lines for three years before leaving the seas. Please forgive the spelling mistakes but my hands are not as fast as my mind and time is money on this end of the line. So what are your interests? Msg #8283 Dated 0:11:23 03-13-91 -> 8300 From: T A WATERS To: ALL Re: CASTLE SCULPTURE (?) It is my understanding that it is there on a temporary basis -- unless the Board decided to buy it... Msg #8285 Dated 0:12:53 03-13-91 From: EVAN KATZ To: ALL Re: CHEAP US PLAYING CARDS I was just down at my local CVS pharmacy, and saw bicycle rider backs on sale for 99 cents! I bought a few packs, and took them home to discover that they are the low-grade cards, or at least I'm pretty sure they are -- the rough edges seem to be the biggest giveaway. I was under the impression that the low-grade cards were sold in bubble packs only, and were missing a seal. Either this is not the case, or I'm imagining the poor quality of these decks. Anyone have any info? (For you L.A.-dwellers, these are good junker cards for torn and restored and stuff -- at 99 cents a pack, get down to CVS!) I have, as I'm sure you all have, noticed a decline in card quality over the last few years. Decks don't last as long. Two questions -- I know Tahoes are ancient history -- what happened to them? Second -- what are better cards for normal manipulation than US Playing Card Co. cards? Msg #8286 Dated 0:21:51 03-13-91 8277 <--> 8331 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: GET REEL! OK. I'll figure something out. Maybe solder it to my jacket. Anyway, it IS the type I was looking for. Muchas gracias. Msg #8292 Dated 7:58:54 03-13-91 -> 8399 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: VOLUNTEER NEEDED The Los Angeles Chapter of the MS Society will be holding their Peer Counsellor Luncheon on Saturday, June 15th. They would LOVE to have a stage magician perform for the 70 or so attendees. This would be a charity function, although they might be able to pay some expenses. If anyone would like to perform, please leave a reply in the next couple of days. Thanks Msg #8293 Dated 9:14:23 03-13-91 -> 8332 From: TABBY CRABB To: WOBBLES Re: ALL THAT GLITTERS IS GLIT Was rummaging round in some stuff looking for something or another and ran across an idea I used when I performed for a bunch of kids at a free school in Amherst, Massachusetts and since there was some discussion of egg bags, the Malini/Miller in particular I thought this might be something that at least one of you could use and since I'm not using it anymore.....the rest of you just ignore this and keep moving. Quickly, I'd been doing a salt vanish and production in bars where I was hanging out at night playing the guitar and got this call from my son to come to his school to entertain the kids since "my dad is a magician." Well, you love your kids and wanna help out so I tried to taylor my "act" to six year olds. Used multi-coloured glitter from the dime store for the salt vanish. I've spoken about the kids egg bag routine before so I won't gore you with the details but theres one thing I forgot to tell you. The egg I was using was hardboiled and blown. I punched a quarter inch hold in the side and using a funnel, filled it with glitter. Just put a small circle of clean white tape. If you're skitzoid like me you'll fill the hole with epoxy and using modeling techniques "weather" it to match the egg, but a piece of tape works fine. They'll never see it if you don't look at it. Well just before covering the audience with confetti from the "egg basket" I produced the vaniquished litter from the egg by getting their attention on the egg, holding it way out front and then cracking it and making a real mess with the litter. The kids loved it and will talk about you for days, your kid will think you're super and the school will love you but NEVER invite you back as they think you're insane. Msg #8294 Dated 9:52:22 03-13-91 -> 8306 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: VALENTINO At first, you know, I thought you and Valentino were the same guy and then I found out about "Frog". OK, I'm convinced you're from Dixie after seeing "Swatting Flies." I like a good laugh that comes outa nowhere (Arleta). You're South Carolina, alrite. I've still got Georgia written all over me if I'm not careful. Msg #8296 Dated 9:58:48 03-13-91 -> 8299 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: DR. LICHTMAN'S NICKNAME You guys (speaking asexually of course) are gonna love this. Our Sysop's nickname is "FROG." Now, if that don't put things into perspective. Msg #8298 Dated 10:11:13 03-13-91 -> 8310 From: TABBY CRABB To: FROG Re: DESERT SEMINAR OK Frog, Talked to JS and he said cool. Now I've gotta figure out a way to stay over saturday to catch the Jim Steinmeyer lecture now that I'm registered. Where will MAGIC! breakfast be. Steven's didn't know, do you yet? tabums Msg #8299 Dated 10:15:49 03-13-91 8296 <--> 8308 From: MARVIN STERN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DR. LICHTMAN'S NICKNAME Don't think that we'll ever be able to find a princess to kiss him. That would be too much of a fable. Msg #8300 Dated 10:18:08 03-13-91 8283 <--> 8305 From: MARVIN STERN To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CASTLE SCULPTURE (?) I, for one, am going to write the board recommending AGAINST buying it. Msg #8301 Dated 10:20:03 03-13-91 -> 8339 From: MARVIN STERN To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: TWISTING Hope you got the letter. It works, Msg #8302 Dated 10:43:38 03-13-91 8258 <--> 8358 From: WAYNE POWERS To: RICHARD HART (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART I'm sure a very generous collection would be taken for the first person who backs a truck into that rust-trap! Msg #8303 Dated 10:46:00 03-13-91 8245 <--> 8335 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY I've been lobbying to make thimbles illegal to bring into THIS country! Msg #8304 Dated 10:54:31 03-13-91 -> 8307 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ART? Wayne - do you think there is any truth to the rumor that the new "sculpture" was made from parts "borrowed" from the valet parking service at the Castle? The thing is definitely an eyesore. Like someone said, it might be nice at the Museum of Contemporary Art, but not next to a Victorian building that is supposed to have class. Msg #8305 Dated 10:50:56 03-13-91 8300 <- From: WAYNE POWERS To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: CASTLE SCULPTURE (?) BUYING IT?????!!!!!! This "artist" who goes by the spurious name of "Michael" should have paid enough money to finance the purchase of the Mulholland Library in order for him to DEFACE the front of the Magic Castle with that EYESORE! Nothing like starting your evening at the castle with a GRIMACE as you get out of your car and are accosted with that LEAKING JUNKYARD!!! It can't be there temporary enough for me and every other person I know who has had the misfortune to see it there!!! I'd like to see a LIST of the PERSON who actually thinks it doesn't badly detract from the Castle entrance! Msg #8306 Dated 10:58:01 03-13-91 8294 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VALENTINO Sounds like you got the tubular package, Tabman. Yeah, I guess the stationery proves that I am who I say I am. Also listed in the phone book as David Frog Lichtman. Had to trap the phone company into that one - they will not publish nicknames and wanted me to prove, by bringing in my birth certificate, that Frog was my middle name. Fortunately, they goofed something up and we made a deal - they listed my name my way and I didn't sue 'em. Msg #8307 Dated 11:01:15 03-13-91 8304 <--> 8311 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: ART? I just wish that the person responsible would go back to producing high quality magic shows (which are sorely missed) and get out of the contemporary art world. The Castle shouldn't be trashed like that!!! Msg #8308 Dated 11:02:25 03-13-91 8299 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: DR. LICHTMAN'S NICKNAME You'd be surprised how many princesses volunteer - it is some sort of challenge for them. Msg #8310 Dated 11:07:17 03-13-91 8298 <--> 8333 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DESERT SEMINAR Find out if Doc Albo will be there. Maybe he can write a note to the airlines saying that you were too sick to fly on Sat., but that you needed to get home on Sunday to see your physician. Congrats on registration - I think you are gonna like Desert Magic. As to where the MAGIC! session is going to be - gee, I was hoping Joe would know!!! PETE - hadn't we better figure this out? Msg #8311 Dated 11:11:44 03-13-91 8307 <--> 8348 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ART? The official Castle blurb sayeth, "If the 1990's style of of the piece seems to jar with the 1890's atmosphere of the Victorian 'Castle' it may serve to remind people that the ancient art of magic is also the newest hot item on the entertainment scene..." Personally, I think it displays an extreme lack of taste on the part of those responsible for allowing it. It really worries me to think that anyone who would permit it would be allowed to continue to mess with the Castle surroundings and decor. And when you consider that the rest of the Castle was practically built single-handed by the same person, it generates a certain level of confusion. It is particularly noteworthy that so far NOT ONE PERSON on here has had anything good to say about it. Msg #8317 Dated 17:27:34 03-13-91 -> 8324 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: POSTCARD Tabman - YOU are something else! I got your postcard today - the one you mailed to me on April 10, 1926. Incredible! We're gonna talk about this when I see you at Desert Magic. Msg #8318 Dated 17:28:49 03-13-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: BICYCLE DECKS YEP, it is TRUE - CVS has Bicycle Poker and Jumbo Index cards on sale for 99-cents per deck. Wayne is not the only one who believes the quality is going down though. I heard from another mage today who says the same thing. Does anyone know if U.S. Playing Cards is really cutting the quality? If so, what can we do? What brands exist in the U.S. that they don't manufacture? Msg #8320 Dated 17:39:13 03-13-91 -> 8325 From: BURT CARPENTER To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: SAVE YOUR SCRAP WOOD Are you familiar with the Tillinghast coin table? Msg #8321 Dated 17:40:44 03-13-91 8278 <--> 8337 From: BURT CARPENTER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DESERT ROOMS Pete, I left the info in case the Trop is full. That weekend is the official start of the Easter season in Vegas. Also there might be some who need a less expensive room so they can afford to attend the Seminar. I'm sure Joe would rather have people attend even if they don't stay at the Trop if that is the only possible way. To all else who read this Pete is right by staying at the Tropicana the Desert Magic Seminar is "subsidized" by perks from the facility like extra rehearsal time for performers etc. because of the volume of rooms that are fillled by convention attendees. Msg #8322 Dated 17:47:07 03-13-91 8282 <- From: BURT CARPENTER To: SHAWN FARQUHAR Re: GREETINGS Glad to have you here. To save $ on-line let me suggest you compose your messages off-line with your word processing program. To enter them into the system address your message as usual, then when you get the promt to enter your message and the blank line shows, use your communications software to "send file" in Ascii. your message will appear where it should. hit enter twice as always to end and save. I'd be interested in talking with you more about the illusion show and your cruise experiences. Desert Magic? Msg #8323 Dated 19:17:58 03-13-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: DANTE BOOK Patrice, Thanks for the info on the Temple Dante book. I'm sure it promises to be a fine one. Msg #8324 Dated 19:18:55 03-13-91 8317 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: POSTCARD OK. Lets talk. Msg #8325 Dated 19:19:16 03-13-91 8320 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: SAVE YOUR SCRAP WOOD Yes, I am. Too small to eat lunch at though. Msg #8326 Dated 19:20:07 03-13-91 -> 8341 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: NEW MEMBER Did Gunther Nash sign on yet? Gunther bought the Kramien show (I think) a few years back and tours the midwest. Said he'd be signing in. Msg #8330 Dated 22:28:46 03-13-91 8067 <--> 8338 From: STEVE SILVERMAN To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: 3 COIN TRICK My mistake. Look at pages 182-183, Modern Coin Magic, Bobo. Although, "The Three Coin Trick", would be an appropriate name, it is really called, "The Gadabout Coins". Bobo adapted the effect from, "The Alleurian Coins", by G.F. Right, as published in a 1950 Linking Ring issue. I adapted the handling for my own use and it serves as a neat and simple little closeup bit. Try playing with it and we'll compare notes the next time we meet. Msg #8331 Dated 23:00:27 03-13-91 8286 <--> 8342 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: GET REEL! The other one I have is in a leatherette pouch and is pinned in place. Could be cheap cloth bag too.... OK? Msg #8332 Dated 23:01:52 03-13-91 8293 <- From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ALL THAT GLITTERS IS GLIT A blown egg (empty) placed in a kids shirt pocket "accidently" hit wtih a hard wand gets great reactions... Msg #8333 Dated 23:03:19 03-13-91 8298 <--> 8334 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DESERT SEMINAR In someones room? Room service is best.... Msg #8334 Dated 23:03:50 03-13-91 8310 <--> 8343 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DESERT SEMINAR Joe says they'll pickj a room when they get there a day or two early. Msg #8335 Dated 23:04:20 03-13-91 8303 <--> 8349 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY That's OK, I have thousands here already... Msg #8337 Dated 23:06:15 03-13-91 8321 <--> 8347 From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: DESERT ROOMS The excalibur or Motel 6 are short walks if savin a few bucks is important go for it. However, the hotels base giving theater, meeting rooms, etc. on how many people stay and the DROP (losses at the games). Magi are very Cheap, compared to others and it is tuff to get renewed. The Mirage said "we don't want you back" High roller joint. But Lance and the Management at the Trop WANT US THERE ANYWAY. Msg #8338 Dated 23:26:02 03-13-91 8330 <--> 8590 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: STEVE SILVERMAN (X) Re: 3 COIN TRICK I have been working over the sleights as I remember you described them and I will look at the Gadabout coins routine. I do like the effect but as of yet am not confident enough to do it for the unknowing. Sorry I won't see you at Desert Magic, but I'm sure our paths will cross again. thanks for the help. Msg #8339 Dated 23:37:08 03-13-91 8301 <- From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: TWISTING Nothing has arrived yet but am hopeful for tomorrow. Ill let you know. Msg #8341 Dated 1:35:05 03-14-91 8326 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NEW MEMBER Haven't seen Gunther Nash's sign-on yet. Looking forward to it. Msg #8342 Dated 1:38:04 03-14-91 8331 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: GET REEL! OK! I had kinda figured that it had to be in a pouch. Also helps muffle sounds, not that it is a particularly noisy reel. Won't have anything with it ready by Desert Magic, but will be working on things. Again, thanks - it is perfect. Msg #8343 Dated 1:39:36 03-14-91 8334 <--> 8363 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DESERT SEMINAR Why don't you tell him we need seating for 1,000 attendees. I haven't tried to estimate an attendance. With some good announcements on the boards near registration, etc., I assume that we will get a number of people who have heard of MAGIC! and want details. Then, of course, they will see you, me, and Tabman and will steal away. Oh, yeah, that's right - you look acceptable for a civilian. Well, they will see me and Tabman and the only two new folks who will stay will be Sigfreid and Franz Harary. Come to think of it - the day before our meeting I will be working a convention of all of the top Federal bureaucrats in California/Arizona. Hmmmm - Tabman may be the only one who look like himself, unless I can rent Johnny Thompson's rug for the bureaucrat's meeting. Msg #8346 Dated 5:56:53 03-14-91 -> 8353 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: MAGIC MENU Jim, Scott Wells tells me he has finally talked to you. I've been trying to get him to get in contact with you for some time now. He is our local resturant magic "expert". He usually has a good article or two on such for our newsletter, which I edit. He should be a valuable contributor to Magic Menu. Charlie Msg #8347 Dated 6:52:41 03-14-91 8337 <--> 8360 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DESERT ROOMS Lance opened a show for The Urban Cowboy Band in 1980 or so. When I heard there was a magician on the bill, I thought "ho, hum" was I ever wrong "hum, ho". Six Gun Territory I believe the joint was called. Lets hear it for Lance and the mgt at the Trop for putting us up (or up with us as the case might be). How many (who?) from MAGIC! is coming to this meeting? Roll call! sg #8348 Dated 8:23:33 03-14-91 8311 <--> 8356 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: ART? Not one person I HAVE MET has had anything good or even NEUTRAL to say about it!!! Msg #8349 Dated 8:28:16 03-14-91 8335 <--> 8350 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY IIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Argggghhh.....akk!!! Phlgggghhhharrckkkk!! (Anyone know the Heimlich Maneuver?) Msg #8350 Dated 9:18:08 03-14-91 8349 <--> 8355 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY Put this paper bag over your head and hold your breathe for ten minits and it'll go away. Msg #8351 Dated 9:18:37 03-14-91 -> 8365 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: ERDNASE POTATOES Every night for over a week I've been engrossed in "The Man Who Was Erdnase." This is the book that created the recent controversy between Jeff Busby and John Booth over who actually had the scoop on Erdnase. There was some controversy also over who actually had the right to publish the material since Booth seemingly played no part in the actually research but that is all another story and well documented in the magic press and isn't the point of this. Maybe Milton Andrews was and maybe he wasn't (though it looks like he probably was, and if he wasn't who was he anyway). The story of Andrews life is a good one as he was into some of the same stuff we're all into anyway (well, except hopefully murder, grand larceny, etc, etc). The 2ND HALF OF THE BOOK (to me) is worth several times the price of the book to anyone wanting to know some of the behind the scenes stuff relating to gambling and magic book publishing during the first half of this century. The info on how "Revalations" finally got published is worth it alone if you have such an interest. This information was a surprise bonus to me and info that was welcome. Andrews was a BUM, but in a few months of ego and need he perhaps turned out what was to become the most influential card worker's book published in this century. Magic people have a neat way of overlooking a fellow magicians personal shortcomings if they otherwise stay close to the Principles Of The Magi. It is because of this we can applaud Erdnase' work and forgive his foibles if Andrews was indeed he. Msg #8353 Dated 11:35:00 03-14-91 8346 <- From: JIM SISTI To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: MAGIC MENU Yes, Scott is a subscriber and a contributor. He sent me an article which will be published in the near future. Much obliged, Charlie, for you help! Msg #8355 Dated 14:33:12 03-14-91 8350 <--> 8757 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MORE MAGIC! HISTORY Thanks, Tabber...that would've been a good idea, except that while I was standing around with the bag over my head, somebody grabbed me and tried to return me to Ralph's for the nickel rebate!!! I guess next time I'll try these things in the privacy of my own home. Thanks anyway. Msg #8356 Dated 14:54:46 03-14-91 8348 <--> 8364 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ART? Not even Milt? Msg #8358 Dated 15:28:31 03-14-91 8250 <--> 8367 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART Artists and drugs don't mix. If he wasn't high on something when he envisioned that junkyard parts display then iI don't know what his excuse is. As soon as I log off I'm going to write a letter of complaint to the Castle. Can I get anyone to help? An eyesore like that does not belong in front of the Castle. Just where it does belong I don't know. For those that are unfamiliar with the Castle it is a beautifully restored Victorian type mansion built in 1908. The "art" is a conglomeration of painted car parts. Looks like a pig on a pole. Msg #8360 Dated 18:25:59 03-14-91 8347 <--> 8361 From: MAX MAVEN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DESERT ROOMS The venue is called "Tombstone" (Junction or Territory). Lance, along with Mac King, worked full-time summer seasons for several years in the late 1970's. Msg #8361 Dated 19:10:15 03-14-91 8360 <--> 8387 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: DESERT ROOMS Toombstone Territory. Is that in Kaintuck someplace. He was really classy and all the guys watched backstage and really appreciated what he did. We chatted a few moments between shows and the next thing I knew he was World Champ. Msg #8362 Dated 19:29:07 03-14-91 -> 8375 From: MARC ALAN To: ALL Re: H Sorry David- I messed up again!!! Anyway, I was trying to ask you if you have any details (time,location, etc.) for the M.S. charity show. P.S.- What the heck am I still doing wrong here?!?!?!? Msg #8363 Dated 19:45:11 03-14-91 8343 <--> 8376 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: DESERT SEMINAR Tomsoni does not wear a rug. He had head transplant, er Hair Transplant. Msg #8364 Dated 19:46:20 03-14-91 8348 <--> 8388 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ART? I guess I'll have to swing by (I might be in L.A. the Sunday after the Desert Seminar to see my A ccountant Msg #8365 Dated 19:48:09 03-14-91 8351 <--> 8371 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ERDNASE POTATOES Can't agree with you more, tabberman, Erdnase book is a 10! Msg #8367 Dated 20:21:57 03-14-91 8358 <--> 8369 From: BURT CARPENTER To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART RE: PIG ON A POLE Saw the "Art" sprouting from the Castle fountain last night. As I was waiting for my car I heard many comments from visitors. Most thought it looked like a pig, all thought it was ugly and an eyesore. One first time visitor said "It is a shame that such a classy place as this would have such an ugly piece of sh** serve as the final impression when you leave" For those of you out of the area let me describe this masterpiece/atrocity. In the center of the Castle fountain which is a small white marble pool flanked bytwo lions, is a black cube about 2 feet wide. From this sprouts a pole about 3-4 inches in diameter about 14 ft high. Halfway up the pole is an automobile differential housing. At the top is a sphere which serves as a head. There are triangular ears, like a cats. The nose looks as if it were made by welding on a disposable paper cup. Eyes are pierced into the sphere, and nostrils are pierced into the end of the nose. The interior of the head is illuminated with a yellowish light which shines through the eyes and nostrils. About three feet down from the head is a horizontal crossbar of the same pipe as the body. It is about six feet long and at each end it has an elbow with an arm returning toward the middle of the body The angle on the elbow is about 60 degrees which means the end of the arms are forward of the body by about 18 inches. the ends are seperated by about the same distance. From these stubs (They aren't hands) water pours forth into the pool below. All of what Iv'e described so far has been painted gloss black. Attached to the "shoulders" or crossbar is a cape made from the hood of some unfortunate small car. It is painted blight red. The narrow end is attached to the shoulders and it hangs straight down. P.S. Another comment heard: "All it needs is Peter Pit's Steel Tie" Msg #8368 Dated 20:23:37 03-14-91 -> 8380 From: BURT CARPENTER To: ALL Re: NEW CONTACTS Announcing the formation of THE TELEVISION/MOTION PICTURE SHOOTING ASSOCIATION. This is a great place to meet lots of producers,casting agents and people involved in the industry. This assn. is geared around pistol competition and trap shooting. TMPSA will be represented at the 1991 steel challenge world speed shooting championships by Bob Latka and Ken Grassi, both of CBS-TV. There are events for the most amatuer shooters up through the most experienced. Shooting facilities are at various established locations throught Southern California The best news- membership is open to all and is only $25. For membership info contact Robert Grassi at (213)852-2676 or write to: The Television/Motion Picture Shooting Assn. P.O. Box 48052 Los Angeles, CA 90048 Msg #8369 Dated 20:25:50 03-14-91 8367 <--> 8373 From: TABBY CRABB To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART I guess you'd have to see the picture. Sounds like some kind of artistic statement. Msg #8371 Dated 20:26:52 03-14-91 8365 <--> 8397 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ERDNASE POTATOES Worth the wait for sure. Will discuss in person if time. I worked it out to stay over til Sunday and go home then. When I saw the sat afternoon workshop with Jim Steinmeyer, et al I had to work it out but is cool. More hang out time also which is even better. Will you please go take a picture of the new Castle art so Jay Marshall can put it in Success Book V (great books BTW). See ya there. Msg #8372 Dated 20:30:25 03-14-91 -> 8412 From: TABBY CRABB To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: DESERT GATHERING Lets definately get together at the Trop someplace or another. I'm coming in Thus night around 9pm and will be a MAGIC! breakfast in Pete's room at 9am the next morning. Msg #8373 Dated 20:29:59 03-14-91 8358 <--> 8389 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART Milt Larsen is a registered MAGIC! member, but has not signed on in a long, long time. I think I will send him a note suggesting that he read these messages. And yes, I think I will also send a letter to the board. I have guests at the Castle Saturday night and I'm sorry they are going to have to see that thing. It does indeed look like a "pig on a pole." The artist says it was inspired by Lance Burton. I wonder if Lance could sue him for that? Msg #8375 Dated 20:33:57 03-14-91 8362 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARC ALAN Re: H I can't see anything wrong with your message, Marc, so it looks to me like you did better than you think you did. The M.S. Society show would be the afternoon of Saturday, June 15th. I suspect somewhere near Glendale. If you are interested in performing, please give me a call at 818-899-8812 during normal Pacific business hours. Thanks! Msg #8376 Dated 20:36:43 03-14-91 8363 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DESERT SEMINAR I know that. I like his line - "This is NOT a cheap toupee, I have cheap looking hair." Msg #8380 Dated 22:08:22 03-14-91 8368 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: NEW CONTACTS The TMPSA sounds interesting, Burt. Thanks for posting the info about it. Msg #8381 Dated 22:25:33 03-14-91 -> 8382 From: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: JUGGLING CARDS Because of the recent interest shown in the PIATNIK cards for magicians I've uploaded mini-catalogue #6 with descriptions and prices of all that's available. The PIATNIK company is renowned throughout Europe and America for high quality playing cards featured in fine gift shops around the world. I stock the complete line for magicians and deal directly with the factory in Vienna, Austria. You can download File: Howie-06.txt for more details. sg #8382 Dated 23:09:16 03-14-91 8381 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN (X) Re: JUGGLING CARDS Thanks for the file on Piatnik cards, Howie. It is now in the files area as HOWIE-6.TXT Msg #8384 Dated 23:26:58 03-14-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: HOWARD SCHWARZMAN (X) Re: PIATNIK DECKS Howard - I assume that the front and back designs on the Juggling Deck are identical to the standard Piatnik bridge designs? Also, could you expand on the descriptions of the various decks listed in the first part of HOWIE-6.TXT? Msg #8385 Dated 23:29:51 03-14-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: PIATNIK DECKS Thanks to Howard Schwarzman, we now have a source for Piatnik decks. I can't comment on the handling, since the only ones I have are all part of Juggling Cards and are all gaffed. But I can describe some of the other design characteristics. The cards are bridge size and feel well made. The backs have a central circle design, a sort of woven appearance surrounding it, and a decorative boarder (no, not at all like an Aviator back) with ample white edges. The fronts are really nice - pips in all four corners. The pictures for the Joker, King, and Dame (yep, D's instead of Q's) are very graphic, far superior to the U.S. Playing Cards artwork (I can't comment on the Jack, I don't have one in the partial deck). I know that many people rely on the look of Bicycle decks to diminish suspicion, but there are probably some classy routines that could benefit from the nicer look of the Piatnic decks - and I guess that if you are performing in Europe, it is the Piatnics that would diminish suspicion. Howie would apparently like to move 'em out in dozens. But I'd like to try the handling, etc. on just a couple first, so is there anyone, particularly in the L.A. area, who would like to split up a dozen of these decks? (Don't worry, Howie - We'll probably like 'em and want more). Msg #8386 Dated 0:57:24 03-15-91 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: TWISTING ACES Marv, The envelope has arrived! Thanks so much. I was glad to see that I had the steps in the right order. Now all I need is about 500 repitions to get the kinks worked out. How are you doing with the other effects that we learned that night? I have been working on those three and another coin effect for the last week and have made good progress, but I still have a ways to go before showing them to any one. Maybe next month. Thanks again for the copy of the routine. Msg #8387 Dated 1:42:04 03-15-91 8361 <- From: MAX MAVEN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DESERT ROOMS The more I think about it, the more I'm pretty sure it's Tombstone _Junction_. At any rate, I believe it's near Lexington, KY. Msg #8388 Dated 2:25:30 03-15-91 8364 <--> 8441 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ART? Be sure to bring a blindfold! (And NO NOSEPEEKING!)* *(For your own good!) Msg #8389 Dated 2:29:01 03-15-91 8373 <--> 8391 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART Perhaps the "artist" meant that it was inspired by an auto accident Lance Burton witnessed? C'mon, really.... Lance Burton has about as much in common with that monstrosity as a Rolls Royce has with a rejected Yugo prototype! Msg #8390 Dated 8:54:50 03-15-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: MATT MATSUYAMA Re: HOWDY Hi Matt... I used to worry about my phone charges til I saw how much it cost for you to access MAGIC! from Japan. Thank you for signing on occasionally and keeping the bbs posted with magic news from the Rising Sun. tabman Msg #8391 Dated 9:58:31 03-15-91 8389 <--> 8395 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART That's all I know, Wayne - "The artist says it was inspired by Lance Burton" was quoted straight out of The Magic Castle Chronicle for Friday, March 8th. Msg #8394 Dated 11:04:13 03-15-91 -> 8403 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: WOLF Is this the Chinese year of the Wolf? First, the movie. Then the TV correspondent re: gulf war. Now, according to the Hollywood Reporter, Wolf Larson has been chosen as "Tarzan" in the new weekly action adventure series. He's the screen's 19th Tarzan. I know you're asking what this has to do with Magic, and I don't have the answer. But I think that Pete or Tabby will come up with some remark tieing this all together. Off now to the Castle for lunch . By the way, I wrote to the Board of Directors re: the new art. Msg #8395 Dated 12:04:38 03-15-91 8367 <--> 8396 From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART Unbelievable. That was on my lawn and it mysteriously vanished about three months ago. Now how do I get it back? Hmmmmmm. Msg #8396 Dated 12:05:49 03-15-91 8389 <--> 8409 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART According to Jay Leno, Yugo has yet to build either a "prototype" or a "finished" vehicle. Msg #8397 Dated 12:06:48 03-15-91 8371 <--> 8400 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ERDNASE POTATOES I arrive mid day Thur, then leave about 2 pm Saturday to go make a living Sat. nite in L.A. Sunday will have time to go by Castle and see if I can get mhy lost sculpture back.... Msg #8399 Dated 13:23:21 03-15-91 8292 <--> 8410 From: WILLIAM ZETTLER To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: VOLUNTEER NEEDED Dear David, Hi! It's me, William Zettler, I would very much like to perform at the luncheon on sat., june 15th. Please leave a message in my box. I will be unable to answer til monday sometime cause I'm going to Las Vegas w/ my father and friend, we leave tonight. I would like to do a show for them very much! Just leave who I have to call/write to and what they want (like What type of show? 30min., 2 hours, ect.). I'll contact you monday night personally (If I can) and we'll talk, ok? please leave me a message on what time the luncheon is and what hours you are on so I may contact you. thank you David, William (Magic Man) Msg #8400 Dated 13:44:48 03-15-91 8397 <--> 8425 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ERDNASE POTATOES Won't be getting in til around 9pm Thursday but I worked it out to stay til Sunday as I want to catch the Jim Steinmeyer and John Gaughan Special Session on Creativity. Would like to see Tamariz's lecture while I'm there other than that want to find a source for gaming table felt (friday during day for a little while) so let me know. Will be seeing you after the Thus nite Challange someplace in Tropicana with Dr. Lichtman, I presume. I will be checking in hotel around 8:30 or 9pm Thursday night. From the sound of it, if that's your statue they'll probably help you take it back to Walnut Creek. Bring it up here and I'll put it out by the studio barn. Sounds cool. See you at the Trop. Msg #8402 Dated 15:06:07 03-15-91 -> 8404 From: ERIC RONNE To: ALL Re: ORIGAMI BOX/BIKE CARDS Can anyone tell me where to obtain plans for building an Origami Box Illusion? P.S. I'm in Chicago, and the declining quality of Bicycle cards is quite evident here, as I've heard it is out west! Msg #8403 Dated 17:18:27 03-15-91 8394 <--> 8407 From: MAX MAVEN To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: WOLF It is the Year of the Ram. Msg #8404 Dated 17:19:27 03-15-91 8402 <--> 8405 From: MAX MAVEN To: ERIC RONNE (X) Re: ORIGAMI BOX/BIKE CARDS Plans for the Origami Box are unavailable. At this time the only way to get an authorized box is direct from John Gaughan, who has a specific royalty arrangement with the inventor, Jim Steinmeyer. Msg #8405 Dated 17:28:08 03-15-91 8404 <--> 8411 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: ORIGAMI BOX/BIKE CARDS There are those guys again. Msg #8407 Dated 18:14:48 03-15-91 8394 <--> 8408 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: WOLF Glad to hear that you expressed your opinion to the Board of Directors. I'm gonna do the same. Msg #8408 Dated 18:15:24 03-15-91 8403 <--> 8429 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: WOLF Sure is! I've never seen RAM cheaper than this year. I'm thinking of getting another 4-Meg. (Sorry, Max. I know you dispair over where I've left my marbles when I do stuff like that. I just couldn't resist.) - Dave. Msg #8409 Dated 18:18:52 03-15-91 8395 <--> 8413 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART No wonder you had to move to Walnut Grove! Actually, in my neighborhood we DO have a guy who does sculpture like that. He has several nice pieces on his lawn and school kids come to see them. His are better than "The Magician" however. Msg #8410 Dated 18:21:51 03-15-91 8399 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WILLIAM ZETTLER (X) Re: VOLUNTEER NEEDED Have a good time in Vegas, William, and please give me a call on Monday Afternoon (I will be out of the office in the morning). Phone number is 818-899-8812. Msg #8411 Dated 18:23:00 03-15-91 8402 <--> 8426 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: ORIGAMI BOX/BIKE CARDS Can anyone tell me where to get Harbin's books on Origami? Msg #8412 Dated 18:59:47 03-15-91 8372 <- From: BURT CARPENTER To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DESERT GATHERING I expect to get in Thurs night also. Look forward to getting together. Msg #8413 Dated 19:01:40 03-15-91 8395 <--> 8473 From: BURT CARPENTER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART Take it back PAHLEEEEEESE!! I'll donate the forklift, trailer and whatever it takes to get rid of it! Msg #8414 Dated 19:03:14 03-15-91 -> 8431 From: BURT CARPENTER To: ALL Re: BLACKJACK Does anyone remember what the name of the file was that Geno Munari uploaded that was a complete blackjack system? I can't find it anywhere. I'm not talking about BJQUEST, but the other one. Msg #8415 Dated 19:47:44 03-15-91 -> 8416 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: ALL Re: NEED MAGIC BAD! Help the AAA car insurance notice arrived today. Just needed a sholder to cry on or some good strong Magic! Pluuhleezze make it disappear. Thanks for listening. Msg #8416 Dated 20:26:16 03-15-91 8415 <--> 8432 From: TABBY CRABB To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: NEED MAGIC BAD! Pooooof! Msg #8418 Dated 20:27:16 03-15-91 -> 8475 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: REDONDO BEACH Will def (??) be coming May 14-19 to Redondo Beach and vicinity. Put it in your calandar for a friday lunch at Castle at least. Hope we can get together. Msg #8420 Dated 20:43:11 03-15-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: CONTRIBUTION Received your check, Randy. Thanks! Helps keep the modems spinning here at MAGIC! central. Msg #8421 Dated 21:05:05 03-15-91 -> 8434 From: ANTHONY BLAKE To: ALL Re: ARTS SHMARTZ Does anyone have a good source for water proof fuse. Last night a small contingent of magic ninja's and I crept up to the Castle after closure and attached large amounts of C-4 to the monstrosity pearched before the entrance, the plastic explosives were stratigically placed to make the "art" fall away from the Castle, thus preserving the classic exterior of our beloved "country club" (I call it a country club 'cause we have "Pattering greens"). We lit the fuses but unfortunately forgot the water falling from the metal migrane. Our fuses were ruined and alas we had to abort our mission. So if anyone knows where we casn get some waterproof fuses we'd appreciate it very much (don't ask where we got the C-4!). Also has anyone thought that maybe we can get the thing removed by calling the Los Ageles Drought Busters by calling attention to the factr that is using precious water! And to top it all off, maybe we should print all the messages on this barg art and mail it to the board of directors, not editing , nothing, let them know how we really feel. Also since we can fill out rating cards on performers at the Castle how's about filling out cards for this piece of unrecyclable excrement! As always...The one, the only... The Geekman! Msg #8422 Dated 21:14:34 03-15-91 -> 8424 From: ANTHONY BLAKE To: ALL Re: COLLECTIBLE MONEY... Yesterday while doing some shopping at the Beverly Center (for all you people not living in L.A., the Beverly Center is a trendy mall) I stopped at a store named "The Gallery of History." This store is a collectors dream. Mounted on the walls are literaly hundreds of documents, photo's and posters signed by the original people (ie: for example they have a soldiers discharge notice from the military signed by George Washinton, or a letter to written by Robert E. Lee describing a battle during the Civil War). All the documents are for sale and range from under $400 to well over $50,000! One item of interest was a picture/postcard of Harry Blackstone, Jr. signed by him (couldn't tell who it was signed to though). The item was nicely framed (or as the salesman called it "archival preservation") in brass with a black mat. The item was priced at (now get this) $695! Now I have about 10 photo/postcards signed by Blackstone, Jr. to me, as well as posters, pictures and assorted other "collectibles" signed by a variety of other magic personae (Henning, Copperfield, Anderson, Vernon, Slydini, Thompson, Sigfreid/Roy, etc.). I figure I'm sitting on a gold mine! The salesman...eh...curator explained that they have well over 150,000 documents in stock and the prices vary depending on the age and the prestige of the person. He told me that items signed or owned by Houdini were difficult to acquire and brought top dollar. He also told me that he has a well know personality who is one of his clients that recently bought a new home and has room to add to his magic collectibles. He is looking for vintage "original" illusions and small magic as well as items signed by such magic lumineries as Nixon, Thurston, Dante, Bamberg, Okito, Thayer, Keller, etc. The curator made it known that the client is willing to pay top dollar for items. So look in your closets, open your boxes, search through your attic or go to every magic swapmeet you can find, there's mucho money to be made! The Geekman! P.S.: Do you think I'd be paying too much for a letter signed by P.T. Barnum at around $3500? Msg #8424 Dated 21:27:24 03-15-91 8422 <--> 8458 From: TABBY CRABB To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X) Re: COLLECTIBLE MONEY... I have a handwritten note by and signed by P.T. that I paid less than a hundred bucks for last year. Is this worth that much? Good grief. Msg #8425 Dated 21:45:04 03-15-91 8400 <--> 8471 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ERDNASE POTATOES Geno will know where to get the fabric. Paul and Son (or Paulson) is probably the best source. EZ to find. I also know some guys that can help. I have some top quality Billiard table cloth whcih is better and it is too narrow for what I want. Maybe can bring apiece. I hpe I rmemberand have room for all the stuff I have promised! ARrrggghhhh. Msg #8426 Dated 21:46:31 03-15-91 8402 <--> 8427 From: PETE BIRO To: ERIC RONNE (X) Re: ORIGAMI BOX/BIKE CARDS Call Steinmeyer or you will be killed for building an origami box!!!! Msg #8427 Dated 21:46:56 03-15-91 8404 <--> 8428 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: ORIGAMI BOX/BIKE CARDS Right! Msg #8428 Dated 21:47:12 03-15-91 8411 <--> 8438 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: ORIGAMI BOX/BIKE CARDS I have one somewhere? What don't I have? Hell, I don't know, haven't opened all the boxes yet. BUT I AM NOT BRINGING IT WITH ME.q Msg #8429 Dated 21:47:45 03-15-91 8403 <--> 8430 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: WOLF Dodge Ram! (one of my clients... heheheheheh) Msg #8430 Dated 21:48:18 03-15-91 8408 <--> 8439 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: WOLF Ram, Bam, thank you Ma'm! Msg #8431 Dated 21:48:59 03-15-91 8414 <- From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: BLACKJACK The best system I know of for Blackjack is to only bet when you are going to win! Msg #8432 Dated 21:49:34 03-15-91 8415 <--> 8433 From: PETE BIRO To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X) Re: NEED MAGIC BAD! I hope you are'nt under 25! Nothing will help! Msg #8433 Dated 22:18:30 03-15-91 8432 <--> 8454 From: RICHARD HART To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEED MAGIC BAD! AAA? Doug, you might want to shop around. Pete didn't, crashed his car, and the damn thing ended up in front of the Castle! Ahem. (Sorry Pete...) Msg #8434 Dated 22:21:10 03-15-91 8421 <--> 8435 From: RICHARD HART To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ Excrement? Hah, that's a good one. Hmmm, maybe a bunch of us could TP the thing after hours? Or better yet, hire a bunch of Cal Tech Seniors and have them cart the thing off and leave it on Milt's front lawn--still spouting water? Wait, I got it! Get Copperfield up here, and have him make the thing disappear on national TV. Permanently. Msg #8435 Dated 22:28:53 03-15-91 8421 <--> 8436 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ How does everyone who has written messages feel about Geekman's suggestion? Should we print off the messages regarding "The Magician" and send them to the Castle Board? Msg #8436 Dated 22:29:47 03-15-91 8434 <--> 8457 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: RICHARD HART (X) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ I LOVE the Cal. Tech idea - brilliant, Richard, brilliant! Msg #8438 Dated 22:33:08 03-15-91 8428 <--> 8474 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ORIGAMI BOX/BIKE CARDS That's OK, Pete. I wouldn't have time to read it during the seminar anyway. Msg #8439 Dated 22:33:59 03-15-91 8430 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: WOLF Er... Can you say that on here? Msg #8440 Dated 22:34:40 03-15-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAGIC! HISTORY This message celebrates my sixteen hundredth (1,600) sign on to MAGIC! BUT I noticed something else tonite... Sometime in the last 24 hours or so someone made the 10,000 th sign on to MAGIC! Apparently, we were all asleep at the switch and didn't notice who did it. So I'd like to dedicate that 10,000th sign on to all of you who are "regulars" here, because as a MAGIC! member YOU made it happen! Msg #8441 Dated 23:47:25 03-15-91 8356 <--> 8759 From: DANTE LARSEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: ART? I Like It! Msg #8443 Dated 6:38:07 03-16-91 -> 8449 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: SEANCE MAG Am off to lunch with Scott Davis, ed. of SEANCE. "See" you all later. Msg #8444 Dated 9:23:54 03-16-91 8121 <--> 8445 From: HARRISON CARROLL To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: KAMAAR Jim: I know what you mean. It seems there are more Kamaars than quality entertainers. I have not seen the Mr. deception thing. They do make it tougher, especially regarding fees. It makes it real hard to get your price when it means overcoming the stereotypes that exist because of guys like this... In many cases, we never even know the potential customer was freaked by our rates.....Too many people think a magician is a clown... I understand you know my freind Kevin O'malley? Msg #8445 Dated 9:28:20 03-16-91 8125 <--> 8453 From: HARRISON CARROLL To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: KAMAAR Pete: I'm sure you are right...Speaking of Leno, it reminds me of a story. I was working the APAA Show in Chicago last October (I work Trade Shows), and as I was doing a show, Looking at the crowd, I noticed a guy peeking through to see what was going on. It was Leno. He was there to work the banquet. I thought to myself, this is great. I'll have to crank it up a bit, so I can impress him. No sooner did he peek to see what was going on, that he walked off. He must have thought to himself, "Oh, it's just some guy doing cards tricks, no big deal." Too bad, Huh! Hey, I understand you had lunch with Bill Okal. I talked with him the other day, and he mentioned it. He is a very old and dear friend of mine. Msg #8447 Dated 9:50:25 03-16-91 8145 <- From: HARRISON CARROLL To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TIM CONOVER Tabby: Thanks for the nice words, especially when you say them in the same breath with Tim Conover. Time is one of my favorite performers. We used to work together at various shows.... When you see him, PLEASE send my regards. Tell him my credit card effect has taken on new heights.. I hear he is doing more and more mentalism these days. By the way, got the pictures... Thankx.... Are you all set for FFFF? Msg #8449 Dated 10:06:26 03-16-91 8443 <--> 8463 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: SEANCE MAG Ask him if he has a lot of subscribers in Casadega, Florida. Msg #8451 Dated 10:18:49 03-16-91 8068 <--> 8505 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC Talked with a couple of magiciennes recently. One of them maintained, without bothering to elaborate, as if it was self-evident, that "all dove acts are inherently sexist." This morning, in a totally unrelated manner, I came across the following quote: "What matters is not the length of the wand, But the magic in the stick." Are magic wands merely extensions of sexism in magic? Could they be the reason women don't enter the field in large numbers? Msg #8453 Dated 10:52:21 03-16-91 8445 <--> 8464 From: PETE BIRO To: HARRISON CARROLL (X) Re: KAMAAR Yo. Had good time with Okal, and I actually did a trick!!!! Holy Cow! Were you just doing card tricks? Msg #8454 Dated 12:54:11 03-16-91 8416 <--> 8455 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NEED MAGIC BAD! Nice try but the bill is still here. Thanks anyway! Msg #8455 Dated 12:54:46 03-16-91 8432 <--> 8456 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEED MAGIC BAD! Nope, just live in the middle of LA with 9 million of my closest friends. Msg #8456 Dated 12:55:44 03-16-91 8433 <- From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: RICHARD HART (X) Re: NEED MAGIC BAD! I wondered about that Msg #8457 Dated 12:57:35 03-16-91 8421 <--> 8461 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ I like the drought buster idea. Msg #8458 Dated 13:00:06 03-16-91 8422 <- From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X) Re: COLLECTIBLE MONEY... Geekman, You should have stopped in to say Hi! I manage...er am the curator... of the Tinder Box store in Beverly Center. Next time your in stop and introduce yourself. I'm the only one there with a beard, may be back in the office so ask if I'm in. Msg #8460 Dated 13:36:45 03-16-91 8265 <--> 8465 From: PATRICE MOORE To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: MAGIC MENU #4 Jim, yes got the issue - thanks. It's in Weber's pile for his perusal and possible review in the upcoming issue. I'd be happy to send you a copy of the review or mention. Msg #8461 Dated 13:52:12 03-16-91 8435 <--> 8462 From: PATRICE MOORE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ David, the first night I saw Super Pig I left a comment card on it. Basically saying maybe the card wasn't the appropriate place to comment on the "art" but then the "art" wasn't appropriate to the Castle! So anyway, there already is at least one card turned in! perusal. sg #8462 Dated 13:56:09 03-16-91 8461 <--> 8476 From: PATRICE MOORE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ sg #8463 Dated 14:59:47 03-16-91 8449 <--> 8483 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: SEANCE MAG He blindfolded me, but I think thatz where we had lunch. Scott Davis is a guy we should all get to know better. He grew up in So. Cal and had Les Smith at Owen Magic show him the ropes when he was a kid of 13 to 20. Scott is another woodshop magician so we had mucho to discuss. He'll be coming down for the weekend in a few weeks as he's pretty close. He's designed a new type of locking spirit slate which he's offered me the rights to build. It will be published in the Spring issue of Seance. He has also successfully built a locking flap card box in walnut, but has no desire to build more. Will be teaching me how to build when he comes down. I've a dream of a rosewood card box and plus stopped by the wood store in balto and ordered some Cocabolo wood. Want to lay in some Koa from islands also. Scott has been publishing Seance for almost two years and is ceasing pub cause he's BURNT OUT from doing that and PEA News at the same time. He has one complete file left for sale and thats it except for five he's keeping for future incase he puts it out in book form. I'm glad I've got a file and value the information contained therein. He would make a valuable addition to MAGIC! and am encouraging him to get online after SEANCE ceases this coming fall. tabman Msg #8464 Dated 15:04:42 03-16-91 8444 <--> 8816 From: JIM SISTI To: HARRISON CARROLL (X) Re: KAMAAR Yes, Kevin is a subscriber and soon-to-be contributor to "The Magic Menu." Nice guy... Msg #8465 Dated 15:06:27 03-16-91 8460 <- From: JIM SISTI To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: MAGIC MENU #4 Thanks...I'd appreciate a copy of the review. Msg #8466 Dated 16:16:03 03-16-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: HOAM NEWS Really enjoyed the article on dressing for success by Scott Wells in the new HOAM newsletter. It contains a lot of important info for magicians who perform in public. How would you (as editor) and Scott feel about uploading the article into the MAGIC! Files section to be downloaded by members interested in some tips on "Dressing For Success." Just a thought, and since you probably already have the article on disk anyway...??? Think I've figured out a way to stop this "free ride" I've been getting on the Houston Magic News. Can an out of towner join HOAM? I lived there long enuf to qualify as an honorary Houstonite anyway. I've got the membership application (was that a hint?)....how bout it? Thanks for the note, I told Glo you'd drop us one! See you soon again I hope. Your table is one back so it shouldn't bee too loong after I get back from Desert and before FFFF. tabman Msg #8467 Dated 16:33:42 03-16-91 -> 8484 From: ANDREW T OAKDEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN Re: DISPLAY FLASH! WHAT IS DISPLAY FLASH? ANDY Msg #8468 Dated 17:03:57 03-16-91 From: DOUGLAS LARSON To: ALL Re: IBM RING 96 This is late but you can write it down for next month. Ring 96 meets the Third Saturday of each month at the Iacoboni Library in Lakewood. 5020 Clark ave. Near the intersection of Del Amo blvd and Lakewood blvd in Lakewood. Close-up round Table at 7:15 and Business meeting at 8:00. This months meeting features a lecture by Warren Stevens. He is from the Detroit area and will do a lecture on Platform work. See ya there! Msg #8471 Dated 19:25:16 03-16-91 8425 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ERDNASE POTATOES Yes, some help in finding gaming felt would be appreciated as there is no real source for it here that I know of. Maryland has a pretty active gaming scene under the guise of charity with roulette, bj, big wheel, and holdem poker. St. marys where I live was gambling center 30 years ago with slots everywhere. Am interested in comparing pool table wool with gaming table felt and picking up some of same to bring back to tabman hall for stock (and tables). Would be nice to see all Biro's stuff, but most impt is seeing Biro. So there. Msg #8472 Dated 19:25:51 03-16-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X) Re: HISTORY SHOP Hi Geekman, Any chance of your getting me phone # of History Shop you were talking about last night on line? Would like to chat with the curator about some Juan Peron papers I just happen to be in possession of. Thanks, the tabman... Msg #8473 Dated 20:13:14 03-16-91 8413 <--> 8758 From: WAYNE POWERS To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE ART I'm ready to donate a cutting torch and some welder's goggles!!! Msg #8474 Dated 20:18:22 03-16-91 8438 <--> 8486 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: ORIGAMI BOX/BIKE CARDS Are the plans available for the KIRIgami box? Msg #8475 Dated 20:20:02 03-16-91 8418 <- From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: REDONDO BEACH Hey, that would be super, Tabster! Remind me as mid-May approaches and, hopefully, those question marks after "definately" disappear! Msg #8476 Dated 20:24:17 03-16-91 8462 <--> 8481 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ Why should we bother Copperfield to make that leaking bovine rust monster disappear? Let's get Lance Burton to do it....after all, he "inspired" the damn thing!!! Msg #8477 Dated 20:29:57 03-16-91 -> 8487 From: WAYNE POWERS To: SYSOP Re: "ART" THOU JESTING? Yes indeed. I think you should print out a file of the ART discussion and send it off to Milt. Maybe he really doesn't realize how strongly most folks feel about that "auto body shop refugee" leaking in front of the Castle. Msg #8481 Dated 2:34:50 03-17-91 8461 <--> 8482 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PATRICE MOORE (X) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ Saw the eyesore again tonite. Heard it described by a citizen as "Ugly." Later a woman said she liked it, but she said she generally liked modern art. She still agreed that it didn't belong in front of the Castle. I think that if it didn't have the face of a pig, and if it wasn't located in the middle of a classic fountain across from a Victorian building, it would be acceptable. As it stands, I think it is an insult to the archtecture and theme of the Castle and an insult to magicians. Msg #8482 Dated 2:37:29 03-17-91 8476 <--> 8492 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ Does anyone know if Lance has been told about this "tribute?" Msg #8483 Dated 2:39:38 03-17-91 8463 <--> 8507 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: SEANCE MAG Thanks for the report, Tabman. The locking flap card box sounds interesting. Will look forward to hearing more about it. I don't know if many people know about Casadega or even if it is still the way it was - but it used to be a retirement community for spiritualists and mediums. Could indeed be where he took you for lunch. Msg #8484 Dated 2:41:45 03-17-91 8467 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ANDREW T OAKDEN Re: DISPLAY FLASH! Display Flash is dressing for success, no? Oh! You meant on MAGIC! Well, it is a feature in which we can place a "flash" message for members. Far as I know, we've never used it. Msg #8486 Dated 2:46:29 03-17-91 8474 <--> 8502 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ORIGAMI BOX/BIKE CARDS Whooo boy! You'd have to ask Steinmeyer about that one! Guess it would be a variant on "Sawing a Woman in Half." Here I am, cutting through the differences between origami and kirigami and I thought "Dodge Colt" was all the Japanese I needed to know. Msg #8487 Dated 2:48:42 03-17-91 8477 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: "ART" THOU JESTING? Think that the Board of Directors should get a copy. Will look into doing it, but on a tight rope right now, both before and after Desert Magic. Msg #8488 Dated 2:50:19 03-17-91 -> 8491 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: BICYCLE CARDS The rumor is TRUE - Bicycle cards have turned to trash. Opened up one of my CVS 99-cent decks today and the edges feel like sandpaper. The corner pips are totally out of line - the entire deck is lopsided with almost NO WHITE BORDER on one side and a LOT on the other - BOTH FRONT AND BACK. Split one and the center cushion core is still there, but there is no surrounding edge. Looks like it was chopped/stamped out of a large sheet of laminate rather than assembled. What do we do? Msg #8491 Dated 5:43:27 03-17-91 8488 <--> 8493 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: BICYCLE CARDS Tally Ho! Msg #8492 Dated 8:13:16 03-17-91 8481 <--> 8499 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ From all your descriptions it sounds like it belongs in Chicago! Msg #8493 Dated 8:14:45 03-17-91 8488 <--> 8494 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: BICYCLE CARDS My (as usual) UN-EDUCATED GUESS is the cheap outlet prices for Bicycle cards gets you FACTORY 2nds. If you check magic shops, or Haines House of Cards MY GUESS is they have the good ones. Msg #8494 Dated 8:15:50 03-17-91 8491 <--> 8496 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BICYCLE CARDS Leave it to TABMAN to come up with the BEST REPLY! Msg #8496 Dated 8:41:01 03-17-91 8494 <--> 8497 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BICYCLE CARDS Pete, You're up mighty early this morning. Tripp Msg #8497 Dated 8:43:00 03-17-91 8493 <--> 8504 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BICYCLE CARDS Yeah, just got a dozen blue Bikes and they're ok. Reg dex from dealer. Msg #8498 Dated 9:15:52 03-17-91 -> 8518 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: PIATNIK CARDS Howie Schwarzman just called and was concerned that I'd scared some people off of his Piatnik Cards cause I quoted them as being xpensive at 6 bux a deck. Howie sez the cards are cheap. 33$ a dozen and 2.75 a deck. Sorry Howie, and as I promised I will let you take care of your own biz in the future (Howie will appreciate this). footnmouthman Msg #8499 Dated 11:13:17 03-17-91 8435 <--> 8501 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) Re: ARTS SHMARTZ Yes David, I think 20 or 30 pages of our honest opinions would help get the point across that we don't like it, don't want it, it doesn't belong there etc. I sent a letter last week and I'll gladly send another. I heard somewhere that one letter equals the opinions of some 50 people. Meaning only one of 50 will bother to write. I hope we can make enough of an impact to let the board know that the vast majority of members and visitors find it in poor taste to have that monstrosity perched in front of our club. ---END OF MAGIC-17.TXT---