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Msg #9500 Dated 2:34:36 04-05-91 -> 9539
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: LINK TO MAGIC!-NL
David,
.
I have been running my BBS for a while now, but am still not happy
about the interface to your system. To exchange messages between
NL and US is requiring a lot of human assistance from my side, as
well as lots of telephone costs.
Now I have to login to your BBS, start my log, read new messages.
Offline I have to put all those messages in separate files, and
manually put them into messages for the destination users.
You see a lot of human interaction, what should be forbidden in
this time of computers.
.
How can we solve this:
The only answer is standardization!!!!
We are not the only 2 suffering with this problem. Other BBS's do
have the same problem and solved it already for us. However to
implement this we have to adapt ourselfs a bit. I see 2 possibili-
ties:
A. Become fully FIDO compatible, and by means of Mailers we can
exchange messages. Also would that enable us to have fully auto-
matic user-to-user communication between the 2 boards. This
will allow the BBS'es to exchange msg's in batch format, in a
compressed form.
I understand you had some problems with the Frotdoor package I
sent you, but there are more packages available, like D'Bridge
and Brinkley. Both should be available at US BBS's since they
are US products. I know D'Bridge surely supports multiline BBS's.
.
B. Recently a new development appeared called XRS. eXpress Response
System. This system enables the user to exit to a door, which
packs all unread messages, from your message base, compresses them
in a file, that is downloaded.
Offline the user can read the messages, reply on them, or create
new messages. Those are packed again, and can be uploaded to the
BBS. The XRS at the BBS side will insert them in the Message Base.
This will safe the user dramatically on connect time.
The XRS I have, supports Tcomm, QBBS, RA, SuperBBS, Maximus, Opus
or XBBS Bulletin Boards.
XRS is a US product and comes from "East Bay X-change" in charles-
ton, SC. Tel nr. 803-556-7485. It's released as Shareware.
This option has the advantage that will be of benefit to ALL
BBS users.
I worked withit for a while, and do have it implemented on
MAGIC!-NL now, but is really GREAT.
I did some research for you and you must be able to obtain the XRS
files from the following BBS: Don's House, in El Cajon (near San
Diego), tel. nr. 619-440-6034.
What you require are following files:
XRS4ALL.ZIP user part
RQSEX143.ZIP BBS part
.
The XRS packages has Zmodem support via the DSZ.COM program, so
this will also increase file transfer rate from the average 130
cps to ca. 240 cps.
.
There is also another package called Silver Express that has
similar capabilities.
.
I hope you and your programming department are able to implement
either one of the above 2 solutions (with preference for the XRS),
as on the long term connection with US becomes too expensive for me
to survive. Once this is implemented I think it will become more
attracting to our japanese friends, aswell as to other long distance
callers, to get hooked on MAGIC!.
.
David, Please let me know your thought on above packet, and tell me
what are the changes you will be able to implement it.
What are your other thoughs about becoming fully FIDO compatible,
because if you were fully FIDO compatible, we could make use of the
complete FIDO network, and offer access to MAGIC! to the whole
world.
This will also enable us to offer our users direct member-to-member
messages????
.
Arnaud
Msg #9501 Dated 2:35:26 04-05-91 -> 9540
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: KAPS LETTERS
Did I miss the latest Kaps letters???? Did you stop publishing them??
Will upload you more Biro letters next week.
Msg #9502 Dated 4:17:02 04-05-91 9449 <--> 9519
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
South Carolina bar-B-Que IS magic!!!
Msg #9503 Dated 4:18:51 04-05-91 9461 <--> 9504
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ANY DUTCH IN VEGAS??
My Gawd! He called you with his vitals!! Is there something wrong
with his vocal cords....but then with Sheets you can never be sure!
Msg #9504 Dated 4:20:57 04-05-91 9469 <--> 9510
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ANY DUTCH IN VEGAS??
I wish we could get the Birosan back East for a visit and take all of
us out to see Nick and Jane...not only is it a one-of-a-kind operation
it is an unique set up operated by two very nice folks. Nick is the
brains and the craftsman (and he has a mess of other folks working
there as well). Jane loves horses and runs the farm. I was trying to
look for a common thread with Jane and your wife...but all that keeps
running through my skull is "They don't shoot horses do they"...and I
don't think that plays well.
Methinks that "hoopla" is defined by the beholders eye! I think Steve
was most likely talking about stuff like introducing all the Past
Presidents at the beginning of shows...inducing presidents...giving
awards. That is what I took it to mean. Howsomever, he may have been
predicting the comeback of the hoola hoop in an abbreviated form. We
must await Steve's further definition of the matter.
Msg #9505 Dated 4:29:03 04-05-91 9462 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT CAN I SAY?
tat is jus wun'erful
tahk
thau
Msg #9510 Dated 8:06:03 04-05-91 9490 <--> 9511
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: ANY DUTCH IN VEGAS??
MAD FAX is 20 bux and is OK if you like Ben Harris' ideas
(I do). It is typical Harris with some good stuff, some
impossible stuff and a few incomplete ideas (these I like too as
it gives me something to work through). There's an excellent
routine in the book using Creeps called House on Haunted Hill or
somthin like that - don't have the book in front of me as its in
copier/fax room (grandma's bedroom where she died on St. Paddys
Day seven years ago) - which is a different card in match box
routine.
There's some cool fax ideas in there (I'm still waiting
to use one of them on the rite party). I got my copy from Jeff
Busby Magic in Oakland about 6-8 months ago and have really
enjoyed it.
I'll sell you a xerox of it for three bux (just kidding).
You can probably get it from Ben or Jeff. Its a well done
paperback with small type and jammed with info and routines. Take
into consideration that I'm a fan of both Busby and Harris
writings and am somewhat opinionated in that direction.
Glad you liked the MAGIC! bookplate which someone (Biro)
compared to the work of Gahan Wilson and will ship the original
out to you ASAP when you get back to MAGIC! World HDQ.
Lt. Col tabman (GA Militia)
Msg #9511 Dated 8:07:11 04-05-91 9504 <--> 9538
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ANY DUTCH IN VEGAS??
We Shoot Pool, Don't You?
Yes, a visit from the Son of Greater Biro would be in
order and a cause for a celebration of some sort, I agree.
The thought of a visit to the shops of CW has my tail
wagging (with six dogs we use a lotta FIDO humor - sorry). Their
stuff is so beautiful and to reach that point with the building
craft would be a dream come true.
As far as HOOPLA is concerned, I thought it had something
to do with the basketball playoffs since we were recently in Las
Vegas - never bet against a team from NC as they have isolated
the DNA which makes for a super shot. They lost out on BBQ to GA
and SC they've hadta redefine their states image - I guess since
mosta Big E's (Elvis) backup singers were from the state its OK.
Am glueing up some leather table tops today as the studio
is quiet til Sunday. Also getting nervous as my faxx mach has
been silent and am wondering if you practice the Vietnamese 100
Year Revenge which is my fave theory of retaliation. Being
American, I have managed to condense a century into a few weeks
of fast forwards and quasi edits.
Enuf,
tabwood
Msg #9515 Dated 12:35:10 04-05-91 9471 <--> 9516
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MISC. STUFF
You caught us!!
I get to blame that one on Stan. He just picked up the wrong layout
piece. The printer called and asked if he wanted it to say May. He said
thanks please change it, but didn't follow thru and ask them to correct
the Volume & Number. He let me know that Wednesday morning and I said
I was surprised our observant readers hadn't caught it yet - BUT YOU
DID!
>From the story I got on the "pig", I guess it's in the works. That's
such a relief. Don't know how long it will take.
Just reread your message re: STan's stand on the pig. He felt to a
certain degree that he shouldn't even bring it up. He felt it was very
much a local issue that doesn't belong in a publication aimed at folks
around the country. Since he was leaning towards no comment, I was
pleased there was any comment!
Msg #9516 Dated 12:40:26 04-05-91 9486 <--> 9517
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MISC. STUFF
Could be potentially fun knowing when it was coming down - we could all
get together, pass out champagne (sparkling apple juice) and make it a
real party!
Msg #9517 Dated 12:41:35 04-05-91 9491 <--> 9521
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MISC. STUFF
>From what Stan said, it certainly sounded a certainty. The way he
explained Bill Larsen's phone call made it sound as if it was an
official "press release." I, too, hope that what was there is still
around. It does seem possible, though, that Milt might have some other
interesting HISTORICAL item gathered from somewhere that would look
appropriate and attractive.
Msg #9519 Dated 12:46:11 04-05-91 9489 <--> 9536
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
You know what really makes me nuts, David. All the promo material they
sent us, all the dates, artwork, etc - BUT NO COOKIES!
Msg #9520 Dated 12:47:11 04-05-91
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: ALL
Re: MARK WILSON SALE
So did anyone else get to Mark Wilson's sale/auction?? I got there in
time to catch the end of the auction. Stuff was NOT moving! I was
hoping to find some interesting paper memorabilia type stuff, but found
out later they didn't have room to bring it out and I should have
asked. Was told, though, they had some of that type of stuff in Vegas.
I'm a real paper collector type person. So I didn't really accomplish
anything by attending the sale, but did feel I was present for an
interesting piece of magic history.
Msg #9521 Dated 13:54:16 04-05-91 9491 <--> 9523
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MISC. STUFF
Here is a quote from Friday's Castle menu:
The board of Directors met last Monday and among other high level
decisions, voted unanimously dto ask the creator of the modern
sculpture .....to remove it per our agreement."
Trust you are having a good trip.
Msg #9523 Dated 14:20:35 04-05-91 9515 <--> 9534
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: MISC. STUFF
I'm relieved to know that my eyesight hasn't failed me and that I
wasn't getting "shorted" an issue!
Regarding Stan's comment on the carwreck in front of the castle...
...The Magic Castle presents itself, and rightfully so, as the
worldwide Mecca for Magic. As such, anything pertaining to the Magic
Castle is appropriate reading for a worldwide audience! If it were not
so, then the Academy of Magical Arts would be named the Hollywood
Magicians' Club!!!
It might not be very courteous to the artist who created the
"sculpture" to have a festive REMOVAL PARTY....
....but I sure would attend a very festive party celebrating the
restoration of the birdbath!!! Perhaps we can get some of the local
dove acts to let their birds join in the celebration!!!
Msg #9527 Dated 17:51:22 04-05-91
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGAZINES
The Ibidem package arrived today. Many thanks. Also, thanks (??) for
the bonus booklet.
Msg #9529 Dated 19:14:20 04-05-91 -> 9544
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: NOW U C IT...
Cancel previous message about Meir Yedid's new gimmick! My local magic
store just got it in stock! I picked it up today. This gimmick is worth
checking out, people! The bill switch done with this gimmick is beyond
belief!
This is another thought all together, but i'm working on improving "The
Human Galvenometer" in the recent issue of GENII. I tie a silk around
the arm of the spectator who picked the card, in the manner of "Silk
through the arm". I claim the silk helps me to "read the muscles" and
tell when the spectator is lying. The effect is then done as in GENII,
with the entire effect providing time misdirection for "Silk thru Arm",
and after "figuring out" the card, yank off the silk! I am going to try
this out at the next SAM meeting. Anyways, just a thought...
Msg #9531 Dated 20:10:16 04-05-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FREEPORT
Am thinking about swimming over to Freeport in the Bahamas to play some
21 and get some sun. Does anybody have any advice re: rules and good
places to play as I've never been over there.
Msg #9534 Dated 21:31:31 04-05-91 9499 <--> 9535
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MISC. STUFF
There is a subtle, MAGIC!al, difference between an "empty" line
and one with "invisible" characters on it - "black art," if you
will. When I want an "empty" line I stick in a couple of chops
at the spacebar.
The reason for this is that MAGIC! recognizes two carriage
returns in a row as "End of message." But a carriage return
(ENTER key) followed by a couple of spaces followed by another
return is a "blank" line. This will also work with some
wordprocessors when pre-creating MAGIC! messages. Some word
processors, however, have the nasty habit of removing such
spaces.
Hope that helps.
Msg #9535 Dated 21:36:15 04-05-91 9516 <--> 9543
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: MISC. STUFF
A GREAT IDEA!!! If there is any way to find out and to post it
here on MAGIC! I'm sure we could get pictures for both MAGIC!
and Inside Magic.
Msg #9536 Dated 21:43:43 04-05-91 9502 <--> 9537
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
S.C. Bar-B-Que is INDEED MAGIC! I've actually had the sauce
airfreighted to me on occassion. And I love Louis Grizzard's
comment on NORTH Carolina Bar-B-Que - He said, "Those folks use
vinegar in their sauce, but G-d will get them for that."
Have always harbored secret thoughts of opening up a South
Carolina Bar-B-Que place in L.A. -- with table hopping
magicians, of course!
Msg #9537 Dated 21:46:48 04-05-91 9519 <--> 9615
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
No that IS cheap! How're we supposed to practice this stuff
with no free Oreos. Oh, well, maybe the "winners" get a
couple.
Hmmm..... Leads to an interesting speculation -- wonder if we
could get a bank to sponsor a magic contest?
Msg #9538 Dated 21:49:33 04-05-91 9510 <--> 9610
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ANY DUTCH IN VEGAS??
Thanks for the bookplate (when I return to MAGIC! World Hdq.
and Tabman ships it, we'll probably put a PCX of it up here.
Also, thanks for the Mad Fax info - will indeed check with Jeff
Busby about it - I've evidently been looking in all the wrong
places - magic shops, Burt's list, etc.
Msg #9539 Dated 21:53:56 04-05-91 9500 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: LINK TO MAGIC!-NL
Arnaud - THANK YOU for your very timely suggestions. I am in
South Carolina right now, but will be back in L.A. soon.
Meanwhile, I have been seriously considering the need for some
sort of solution along the lines you have proposed and plan to
take a look at several possible solutions. Plan to discuss
with programming as soon as practical. I agree in concept,
just need to look at best methods to accomplish the goal.
Msg #9540 Dated 21:56:07 04-05-91 9501 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: KAPS LETTERS
No, you didn't miss them. There was a LOT going on and,
frankly, I didn't get some posted. Plan to get back on the
Kaps track when I return to L.A. - meanwhile, will look forward
to your Biro letters.
Msg #9543 Dated 0:25:00 04-06-91 9534 <--> 9559
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MISC. STUFF
I
got
it.
Thanks!
Msg #9544 Dated 0:26:23 04-06-91 9529 <--> 9582
From: EVAN KATZ
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: NOW U C IT...
Do you find the angles on the Yedid gimmick too limiting? How close-up can
it be be used? The brief look I got at it (no performance) made me
think that this was more of a parlour than close-up gimmick, and that
the angles were pretty limited.
Msg #9545 Dated 1:21:31 04-06-91
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: WANT LIST
The issues of Pallbearers I'm seeking (in addition to those which were
on your list) are: V4#12, V5#3. Also, Folio 1 and 3, Close-Up Folio 1,
2 and 3, Epilogue 15 (part 2), 17, 21 and 22, and Epilogue Special 3
(part 2). Let me know if any of these are among your recent shipment.
Also looking for issues of Hugards past V18, and most Pentagrams from
other than V8-13. Thanks.
Msg #9550 Dated 13:52:12 04-06-91 -> 10276
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BRYANT
Wow. Quite a lengthy response to my Seminar
review. I appreciate your amplifying some of the
background for me. Quite honestly, the "presidential"
theme went right over my head. When I saw the
presidential silhouettes on the tables in the Tiffany
ballroom, I thought they were left over from some other
party. This explains, of course, the use of Mike Ellis
and Margaret Daily. As I stated in my review, I
thought they did a fine job. It's just that I would
have preferred a Michael Finney or someone like him.
Speaking of which, what became of the Amazing
Johnathan, who was advertised to appear? I've never
seen him work, but some of my layman friends in San
Diego have described his act to me, and I had been
looking forward to seeing him.
* *
As to your other comments --
* *
Let me try to put the IBM/SAM thing to rest,
though I doubt that I can. To try to explain to
someone why I don't like his fraternal organization is
like trying to explain why I don't like his religion.
There is no winning. You did seem to construe my
remarks as knocking the annual convention shows. The
convention shows have nothing to do with my feelings on
the matter. I realize that guys like you and Pete Biro
work hard and put on great convention shows, and I
avidly read Bill Larsen's reviews of them. But I still
don't want to attend them. It's not the shows, but the
environment that I can't bear. I know this is heresy.
It's completely personal. Some guys enjoy fraternal
organizations (magic or otherwise) and some don't. I
don't.
* *
On the conflicting lectures issue, you are
correct: comedy clubs and trade shows don't have that
much in common. For me, though, the tradeoff was
between Jeff Hobson and Mike Rogers. I admire both of
them and wanted to hear what each had to say,
regardless of the topic.
* *
Regarding evening lectures, I thought Johnny Ace
Palmer was terrific, and his show/lecture made up for
this year's dearth of closeup performers. I thought
the video monitor setup worked well, by the way. But
overall I tend to agree with you, that Las Vegas has so
much to offer in the evenings that it's nice to have
the time off. In any other town, I would have wanted
the convention activities to last well into the
evening, with midnight lectures, etc.
* *
Continued . . .
Msg #9551 Dated 13:53:32 04-06-91 -> 9618
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BRYANT
(Part 2 of msg to Bill Wells)
Any other topics? Yes . . . a big one, one that I
had overlooked because it hadn't affected me
personally. The Thursday contest show was scheduled to
begin at 9:00 P.M. Instead, it began at 8:30, with the
presidential mask bit, and then transitioned directly
into the contestants. As a result, a considerable
number of people who eventually sat at my table or near
my table DID NOT SEE the first two contestants.
Although I don't think this ultimately affected the
outcome, this was unfair to those contestants.
* *
Which brings up the voting. I've always thought
it rather strange that you can vote for only the top
choice. For example, let's assume that one contestant
is clearly the top performer, and that he nets 80
percent of the votes. This means that 80 percent of
the voters have no say whatsoever as to who places
second or third. Indeed, second and third are now
decided by a minority of individuals who have already
demonstrated poor judgement (one of the givens of my
premise is that the #1 contestant truly deserved to be
#1). To me, a better formula would be to let each
voter place a 1, 2, and 3 on his ballot. The
contestant with the largest number of 1st place votes
is the overall winner. Of those remaining, the
contestant with the largest combination of 1st and 2nd
place votes comes in second. Finally, of the remaining
10, the contestant with the largest combination of 1st,
2nd, and 3rd place votes comes in third. This way,
each voter has a say in who places in all three spots.
I realize that this would complicate the counting, but
I think this would make 2nd and 3rd place even more
meaningful.
* *
Aaugh! In responding to your response, I seem to
be emphasizing only negative things. The one or two
negative comments I made in the original Seminar review
were EXTREMELY MINOR in my estimation. I love Joe's
conventions, and I especially loved this one. Let me
close with a few positive comments and suggestions.
* *
THANKS for the sandwich idea.
* *
For next year's comedy contest, you guys should
INVITE Jon Brunelle to enter. Download my file on last
year's Invocational and check the description of his
act. Very weird, very funny. Brian DeWitt's act from
the same convention would also score well.
* *
All best wishes in Baltimore.
-- Steve
Msg #9552 Dated 14:59:57 04-06-91
From: JIM SISTI
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: MAGIC MENU #5
Got you check today and will ship out the new Magic Menu on Tuesday, as
they are coming back from the printer on Monday. There was a problem
with the first printing and I rejected the lot. (Everyone trys to see
what they can get away with nowadays!)
Msg #9553 Dated 15:06:55 04-06-91 -> 9560
From: GENO MUNARI
To: SYSOP
Re: HELO
JUST WANTED TO SAY HELLO, I HAVE BEEN TRAVELLING THIS LAST THREE WEEKS
AND JUST RETURNED. WENT TO SOME INTERESTING GAMING CASINOS IN
COLORADO. ANYWAY, CAN'T WAIT TO VISIT A MAGIC CASTLE LUNCH, PLEASE LET
ME KNOW WHEN.....
GENO
Msg #9554 Dated 15:33:11 04-06-91 -> 9563
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTION
Jim, I am not sure that my secretary got the message correct when she
talked to you, but if they are available I would like all the back
issues so I will have a complete set. Kent has let me look at several
issues he has received and I am sold.... So set up the expiration on
what ever date you need, but if they are available please send all back
issues... Thanks and keep up the good work.
(seems recently we have had a number of magic publcations cease to
exist and it is nice to see some new ones beginning to come forth to
replace them)
Msg #9555 Dated 18:26:53 04-06-91 -> 9556
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC OF AMMAR (BOOK)
Dear Friends,
Am I excited, no Elvira didn't drop by, I just got a look
at the cover and a hint at some of the contents of Michael
Ammar's new book, THE MAGIC OF MICHAEL AMMAR, for L&L Publishing
which should be out at least by the end of May. This promises to
be one of the finest books out this (or any other) year and I
can't wait to get my hands on a copy.
When I talked to Louis Falanga at the DMS he told me the
book would have over 300 pages and contain much of the wisdom
that puts Ammar at the head of the class. I haven't seen the full
color jacket - my peek came via FAX - but I hear there will also
be a large poster reproduction similar the one they did for the
Vernon Chronicles.
How do you get your hands on one, well you'll have to
wait for the release date of May 21, 1991. If you're on L&L's
mailing list I'm sure the next issue of his newsletter will have
all the info. If you're not on his list, write him at
L & L Publishing Co.
Box 100
Tahoma, CA 95733
and ask to be put on their mailing list. I know Burt Carpenter
will want me to remind you that most new books are available
through him right here on MAGIC! and Burt contributes 10% of the
price of each book he sells to MAGIC! for the continued operation
of The Great Computer Network.
The Magic of Michael Ammar should also be available
through
Michael Ammar's
SECRET SERVICE
5701 Evergreen Court
Austin, Texas 78731
and from Michael in person when he lectures in your town.
I didn't mean for this to be a commercial when I started
out, but thats what I do and I can't help it.
homeTab
Msg #9556 Dated 19:41:23 04-06-91 9555 <--> 9557
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC OF AMMAR (BOOK)
If Michael really tips effects and also tips PRESENTATION...this will
be a MAJOR magic book!
Is it my imagination...or...have there been more magic books published
in the last TEN years than in the last FIFTY???
L&L alone has had an amazing output! How do they do it? And now an
Ammar book? I haven't gotten through the Elmsley book yet!!!!
Msg #9557 Dated 20:23:46 04-06-91 9556 <--> 9558
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC OF AMMAR (BOOK)
Just from looking at the cover and the forward from Copperfield it will
be the book to have. He covers not only effect, but lots of Ammarisms
which should prove to be very valuable.
Msg #9558 Dated 20:27:37 04-06-91 9555 <--> 9561
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC OF AMMAR (BOOK)
I'll be looking forward to getting that book as soon as it is
available. I'm a big fan of his work and I think he is an excellent
teacher. Thanks for giving me some good news to look forward to!
Msg #9559 Dated 20:59:35 04-06-91 9543 <--> 9571
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MISC. STUFF
You
are
welcome!
Msg #9560 Dated 21:06:14 04-06-91 9553 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HELO
Hi, Geno! Good to see you back on MAGIC! Really sorry we
didn't get a chance to talk at Desert Magic. I think your
bringing Jimmy over was terrific - really nice thought. As to
traveling - well, I'm in South Carolina right now. Plan to be
back at MAGIC! World Headquarters soon.
Msg #9561 Dated 21:08:43 04-06-91 9555 <--> 9813
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC OF AMMAR (BOOK)
I spoke with Michael a couple of days ago and he really feels
good about the book. He also said that he plans to join us
here on MAGIC! in the next couple of weeks...
Msg #9562 Dated 22:11:23 04-06-91
From: THOMAS ALLISON
To: ALL
Re: PAUL TOSI COINS
Has anyone had any experience with Paul Tosi coins? Are they really the
best made?
After about 15 years of having nothing to do with magic, I am
beginning to take an interest again. I would be very interested in
hearing your comments before I spend my money on some coin sets.
Msg #9563 Dated 0:23:41 04-07-91 9554 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTION
Thanks for the encouraging words, David. The price for all back issues
of "The Magic Menu" plus a one year subscription is $25.00 until the
end of April. We're looking forward to having you as a subscriber!
Msg #9567 Dated 8:52:26 04-07-91 -> 9591
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: BOOKPLATE
Frog,
Lemme know when U get bak to Arleta soz I can send the bookplate
art out to you. Would appreciate a fullsize copy in return for my
office wall as well as the certificate I left with your briefs in your
briefcase. Hope the trip was a goodun.
tabwood
Msg #9569 Dated 14:08:50 04-07-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DOWNLOADING
Well, no wonder you didn't wanna fax that stuff. Its great. Many
thanks. Talk to you later, gotta go to town.
Msg #9570 Dated 16:09:16 04-07-91 -> 9583
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
I was just wondering if anyone has seen the abominable
letter written by Bruce Rudolph in the March GENII.
Unfortunately, Mr. Rudolph submitted an article to me for THE
MAGIC MENU on doing table-hopping mentalism which will appear in
our May/June issue. Had I known that Mr. Rudolph held the
magical arts in such low regard, I never would have printed his
article. As a matter of fact, I am sending a letter of apology
along with our May/June issue, explaining that Mr. Rudolph's
stupid remarks in the GENII letter in no way reflects the
opinions of THE MAGIC MENU (and I would hope, of GENII!).
I guess the thing that really burns me up about Rudolph's
letter is his ridiculous assumption that "mystery,
believability, and a genuine sense of wonderment" can only be
aroused when the spectators believe what they've just witnessed
is "real." Oh, really??? Does any thinking adult really
believe that David Copperfield vanished the Statue of Liberty?
Yet, that illusion stands as one of the great modern feats of
conjuring among the lay public. Magic challenges the
imagination; a thinking adult knows that there's no such thing
as magic, but entertainment is created when the spectators let
their imaginations go wild a bit and allow themselves the
pleasure of experiencing the apparent temporary suspension of
the laws of nature.
Magic (at its best) should be ENTERTAINMENT! Any time we
use our deceptions as anything else (such as trying to make our
spectators actually believe what they are seeing is reality)
comes dangerously close to charlatanism (Uri Geller being the
most obvious example). Rudolph says that "cards do not change
color, and coins do not really disappear." What's amazing is
that this genius thinks this is some sort of divine revelation
to other magicians. Someone should tell him that "mindreaders"
don't really read minds, either. They use nail writers,
clipboards, billet switches and other methods of deception as
numerous as the traditional conjuror. One of the major points
of his semi- grammatical letter was that "no one believes in
magic." Well, quite honestly, no one believes in mind reading,
either. At least no one with brains. I don't doubt that some
people might. I suspect that these are the same people who would
also run off to the jungles of Guyana and drink poisoned
Kool-Aid or sell cheap magazines early on Sunday mornings when
we normal folks are trying to get some sleep.
He also heaps lots of insults on us magic types...using
phrases like "pathetically confrontational drivel" when
describing patter and "west coast creative kind of guys" (used
very sarcastically in the letter's context) and "time consuming,
knuckle busting, cutesy-wootsey, self-congratulatory ego
fantasies masquerading as entertainment" to describe
sleight-of-hand artists and their books. He also takes a shot
at the kids show guys by saying that it's "highly unlikely that
you will ever be asked to do kids' birthday parties and the like
ever again." I think the real secret here (and the reason why
Rudolph has apparently had no luck in presenting magic
successfully) is summed up by his own words. He says that he
spent "years performing good but not great close-up magic."
Magic in general will best be served when he realizes he's doing
"good but not great" mentalism and takes up the tuba. I know
there's a couple of you who will disagree with my hypothesis
that no one believes in mind reading. If the disagreements come
from the quarters I suspect they will, the contrary opinions
will be largely self-serving. However, just so it won't get
lost in the nit-picking that often runs rampant here, my main
point is that Bruce Rudolph is all wet when he says that magic
and magicians are invalid as an entertainment form because "no
one believes in magic." I would much rather amuse and amaze my
audience than have some poor doe-eyed soul ask me, after doing a
cold reading, whether she should sell her house or not. If
Rudolph can handle that kind of responsibility, he can have it!
Once again, to readers of THE MAGIC MENU who are also on
this board, I apologize in advance for even running Rudolph's
article in the magazine but I was unaware of his hostility
toward magic and magicians when the article was originally
submitted.
Other than that, how's everybody doin'?
Msg #9571 Dated 16:48:01 04-07-91 9535 <--> 9593
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MISC. STUFF
Have to plead brain damage and confusion in reading the past messages,
what's a great idea? If you mean getting to celebrate the coming down
of the statue, I would have to agree with Wayne's point, actually. It
would be kind of mean to the artist... He said we could, however,
celebrate the return of the birdbath! Seems like we should/could have
some sort of party. WE could know what for, but we could promote it as.
. . YOU guys are the creative ones, what could we call this party??
Msg #9573 Dated 16:58:01 04-07-91
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: ALL
Re: STEINMEYER BOOK
Speaking of books, got to proof Jim Steinmeyer's new book on illusions.
Proofing rather than reading I don't pick up quite as much info, but I
think this will potentially be a fascinating book. I don't know, but
imagine it will be a summer convention release. Also, it will be packed
with illustrations (which I didn't get to see, nice boxes, though...).
Jim is publishing this book.
Magical Publications has another Steinmeyer book set for this summer.
This one will be on Thurston's illusions. From what I understand,
Thurston at some point (20s?) took all his illusions and photographed
them. He then added dimensions and other info to the photos. Jim has
taken the photos and notes and added his own comments to give quite a
picture of the workings of many of Thurstons effects. Another one I got
to proof and I found it really fascinating. Mag. Pub. is planning to
have this one ready for PCAM. They'll probably do any advertising
mailing for this one, so if anyone would like to get on their mailing
list leave info here and I'll pass it along. For the record, their
second convention release will be Darwin Ortiz' notes on Erdnase.
Msg #9574 Dated 17:07:13 04-07-91 -> 9576
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: ALL
Re: MAURICE ZOLOTOW
Don't know how many of you are familiar with Maurcie Zolotow, but just
read in Times that he passed away March 14. He was 77.
I had one of his books, "It Takes All Kinds" and enjoyed it - has
pieces on magicians: Cardini, Dunninger & others. Saw Zolotow for the
first time at the Mulholland Convention. Thought he was such an
interesting/fun speaker. I met him briefly at the end of the convention
when I asked him to sign my book. He was so sweet & funny. He kidded
around about enscribing it with a thank you for our wild weekend. I
told him to go ahead, it would be funny & would drive some future book
collector crazy. Really a pleasant memory for me, made me very sad to
read of his passing. Zolotow also wrote the fictional, "The Great
Balsamo."
Msg #9575 Dated 20:43:09 04-07-91 -> 9596
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: ALIVE?
I am alive but not well. Spent seven hours driving up through the
jungles and desert of the Baja Peninsula to an aeropuerta, then flew to
Oakland, Calif... and finally here at the World HQ of PB Enterprises,
or "Bucking the Tiger" etc. Just downloaded over 100 messages! Holy
Cow! And will read them at less than 2400 baud probably manana!
In the meanwhile.... keep hackin' -- adios, etc.
Msg #9576 Dated 20:45:25 04-07-91 9574 <--> 9592
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: MAURICE ZOLOTOW
Sorry also to hear of his passing. Thanks for passing along the
information.
Msg #9582 Dated 20:56:36 04-07-91 9544 <-
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: NOW U C IT...
Apparently, everyone thought that the angles were too limiting when it
was released in 1980. Many people bought the gimmick after seeing Jeff
Stewart do close-up (Yes! close-up!) with it, but took it home and
forgot about it. That's why Meir Yedid and Jeff repackaged it with a
video and book. If you see the tape, and see Jeff do "The Killer Move",
you'll see how it can be used for close-up. There is a bill switch that
is done instantaneously! It comes with magicians wax, but i prefer to
stick a coin to it using a plastic adhesive, such as HOLD IT! or Blue
Tack. You can do the magic with a borrowed coin, and return with no
residue! If you learn how to use it right, you can do some amazing
close-up!
Msg #9583 Dated 21:07:28 04-07-91 9570 <--> 9584
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
I didn't care for Rudolph's letter either, but in no way should you
apologize for running his letter. Just chalk it up to free speech. The
gist of his letter (Not the vicious tone) seems to indicate he wants to
be seen as a real wizard and/or magician. Most likely, that is why he
got into psychic effects. People now (according to the letter)
apparently believe in his magic.
Just because he didn't get along with magic, he doesn't have to take it
out on all magi! Geeeeeeez!
Msg #9584 Dated 22:05:08 04-07-91 9583 <--> 9594
From: JIM SISTI
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
Wanting people to "believe in your magic" is not desiring to be an
entertainer...it's desiring to be supernatural in the real sense
(which, by the way, is a job that is filled). You're right, of course.
Free speech is important. I am apologizing to my readership for
running this idiot's article. I would never have run it in a magazine
for magicians if I knew he was that hostile to magic. I guess we all
tend to be vicious toward something we would like to do and have no
ability at.
Msg #9587 Dated 1:15:21 04-08-91
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: ALL
Re: DAY OF MAGIC
I.B.M. Ring 21 Presents: It's second annual........
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EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO ATTEND !!!!
WHEN: Saturday May 4th, 1991
WHERE: UCLA SCHOENBERG HALL in Westwood
REGISTRATION: 8:00 am
Lectures begin at 9:00 am and run until 4:30 pm
Scheduled Lecturers include:
Johnny "ACE" Palmer Dale Salwak
Jeff Hobson Vito Lupo
John Kennedy Mitch Williams
Dennis Forel and Other Surprise Guests
Your registration includes the following:
* A Full Day of Lectures and Workshops
* Dealer's Area (space is still available)
* Raffles
* Silent Auction
* SPECTACULAR STAGE SHOW!!! Stage show 6 - 8 pm
including: Jeff Hobson
Russell Lewis
Loren Michaels
Mitch Williams
(One show ticket is included with your registration)
* Evening Buffet and Party following the show
$45.00 per person - before April 15th
$55.00 per person - after April 15th
You can get separate tickets just for the Stage Show
invite your family, friends, and business associates
You can purchase tickets through Ring 21 - discount price $8.00
(Through UCLA, or at the door tickets are $16.00)
For information or registration contact:
Joe Selph (213)660-2998 or Will Chandler (818)284-1776
You can mail registrations or ticket orders to:
I.B.M. Caryl Fleming Ring 21
2018 Griffith Park Blvd. unit 101
Los Angeles, CA 90039-3551
(make checks to IBM Ring 21)
You can leave me a message here on MAGIC!
if you need information or want to reserve tickets
Hope some of you can make this EVENT...
I am told last year was a success and this year is better.
Msg #9591 Dated 6:35:44 04-08-91 9567 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKPLATE
W-e-e-e-'-r-e B-a-c-k... Got in last night and will try to
catch up with things. Would you prefer a street address for
the bookplate? If so, 13941 Garber Street, Arleta, Ca. 91331
(NOTE the zip code - 91331 is the real one for the street
address)
Will look for your certificate - haven't done the laundry yet.
Msg #9592 Dated 6:43:15 04-08-91 9576 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAURICE ZOLOTOW
Thanks for the (bad) news. I understand he was a great one! sadly never
met. Adios.
Msg #9593 Dated 6:42:23 04-08-91 9571 <--> 9783
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: MISC. STUFF
I'll settle for a "return of the birdbath party" if necessary.
Sure would be nice if a few folks could bring doves. BUT the
more I looked at the "Super Pig" the more I felt it was an
INTENTIONAL INSULT directed at magicians. Else why the "Super
Pig" face? So I would not be opposed to a party for the
removal. As a matter of fact, I would HOPE that the "artist"
would either be present, or that he would most certainly learn
of it.
Msg #9594 Dated 6:45:03 04-08-91 9584 <--> 9620
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
Just to add to the BELIEVE syndrome. At the IBM in San Diego (many
years ago) I was asked it I could do a show for the ladies coffee
session one morning. I said, OK, I think I have enough stuff with me in
the bag.... So overnight I put together a FAKE COMICAL MENTAL ACT. Did
some stuff ala Psychometry, reading off objects they had placed into
bags and mixed up (I use Fogel's SECOND SPOT as it is a killer easy
version)... I JUST MADE UP ALL KINDS OF CRAP mimicking what a mentalist
might say. Did a few other things from the Koran books and closed with
the old standby Linking rings and Malini Egg bag.
AFTER THE SHOW.... I HAD DOZENS OF THE WOMEN RUSH UP TO GET 'REAL
READINGS' from the Psychometry schtick THEY BELIEVED I HAD REAL POWER.J
IT WAS FRIGHTENING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #9596 Dated 6:50:00 04-08-91 9575 <--> 9608
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALIVE?
Am sitting here sorting things out after last weeks
marathon of studio, magic tables, and doing band manager stuff.
Trust you're alive this morning after getting back to PB Hdq
after your Mexican Safari. Got your message re: "killed a snake"
and glad he didn't get U first. There's a coupla snakes over here
I wish you'd come take care of with your snake eraser.
Not much shakin here yet - Bone Pony is due in studio at
11:00 which means 13:30. Gotta go to PO but since riding half the
nite last nite I don't wanna get back in the pickup. Counter
buttons should be here wed or thurs. Gotta find silver plated
brass rods to hold the counters in the keepers. Any clues as to
which rock to look under. Will check Hobby Shop next time in town
during daylight.
I love mondays as its the quietest day of the week for
me. Talk to you later.
Msg #9597 Dated 6:49:35 04-08-91 -> 9602
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SUPER PIG?
When did it get called SUPER PIG? Hey, knock it off. I like it. BUT NOT
WHERE IT IS. Don't INSULT the artist. You should respect his right of
free speech. Remember, some day, the MODERN art you don't understand
will be commonplace.
Msg #9602 Dated 7:40:37 04-08-91 9597 <--> 9609
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPER PIG?
As I have stated before...
I agree...in part...with Pete.
We needn't insult the artist. Although our respecting his free speech
should entitle us to his respect for OUR free speech.
My right of free speech entitles me to say that the "sculpture" in
question is, in my opinion, an atrocity...an leaking car wreck that
should be towed away as soon as possible!
I hope that the talents of the artist are better exhibited in his other
works.
I have no interest in attending a removal party...it smacks of a
bookburning celebration. I am sorry that the unfortunate decision was
made to place such an inappropriate work at the entrance of The Magic
Castle to begin with. Maybe a more appropriate home for the sculpture
can be found...(go easy now boys!) Milt Larsen's front yard? Pete
Biro's magic den? (sorry)
In all seriousness, I think that replacement of the birdbath would be
a good reason to celebrate. We could call it the "TORN AND RESTORED
BIRDBATH PARTY"....with the celebratory emphasis on "restored!"
Msg #9605 Dated 8:50:12 04-08-91 -> 9611
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW MEMBER
The following message was left by Melinda Saxe. Since she was not yet
registered, it might not have appeared correctly.
From: MELINDA SAXE
To: ALL
Re: THIS SYSTEM
This my first time on. Hello to everyone out there, and thanks for the
very nice review by STEVE BRYANT. I think this system is great. Hope
to be on it very often.
Magically,
Melinda "First Lady of Magic"
Msg #9609 Dated 9:17:43 04-08-91 9602 <--> 9624
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SUPER PIG?
I would take it, but it would be lost in the quagmire of stuff. You
know, Stuff as in George Carlin monolog!!!
Msg #9610 Dated 9:05:27 04-08-91 9511 <--> 9630
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ANY DUTCH IN VEGAS??
Letme see...probably do this in reverse order. I tend not to get on
the computer much on weekends cause of all the other stuff going
on...like the first practice of my AA basebase team that I am coaching
on this past Saturday morning (AA tranlates to nine year old baseball
team) or like going to see the Orioles and the Red Sox play at RFK on
Sunday. What a fantastic day! ...and especially for baseball! I sure
hope they are successful in bringing basebase to the Nation's Capital.
Anyhow...with three kids (8,9,10) the weekends (and other times) do get
full.
HOOPLA should refer to Basketball! How 'bout them Blue Devils? The
old Wahoos had a brief fling at glory in the days of Ralph...but this
was not their year.
I am going to work on the Biro after doing photo jobs in the proper
part of the country...but failing that, maybe we can get him to come in
early for the convention or stay late in order to see some of the
sights of Middleburg and other areas.
You work in leather as well as wood?? I been meaning to ask you about
a statement of yours pertaining to "...weathering..." You wouldn't
have done some modeling in your infamous past would you??
mo than enuf
Willyum
Msg #9611 Dated 9:19:05 04-08-91 9605 <--> 9815
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: NEW MEMBER
Hi Melinda... Pete Biro here... welcome aboard. Sorry I didn't get to
see you at the last Seminar, was busy and had to leave a day early.
Next time. HOpe all is well with you and your mom. Later!!!
Msg #9615 Dated 9:20:10 04-08-91 9536 <--> 9622
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
My Gawd Man...you had that stuff airfreighted??? I certainly hope you
had it properly labeled as a hazardous material!!!
I mean I love it, but it can be dangerous material to the uninformed!
It is nice to see someone who understands there ARE differences in SC,
east NC and west NC bar-b-que and who probably who agree that TX stuff
doesn't even belong in the same discussion.
Please note (or ignore) that the Tabman is trying to include something
called GA bar-b-que as well.
Msg #9618 Dated 9:25:35 04-08-91 9551 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: BRYANT
...have dumped...am digesting....will get back!
(did I get that in the right order? GRIN!
Seriously, I will get back to you as soon as I have a chance to read
your reply over.....thanks.
Msg #9620 Dated 9:28:54 04-08-91 9594 <--> 9634
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
You sure your fly was zipped?
Msg #9622 Dated 10:36:04 04-08-91 9615 <--> 9637
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
My passion for Scarlett O'Hara keeps me from disparaging Georgia
Bar-B-Que. North Carolinians don't seem to know diddly-squat about
true Bar-B-Que, but they do have a way with smoked turkey, and, around
Calabash (No, we DON'T need any Jimmy Durante lines) they certainly
know how to do seafood.
Which brings me back to what this all has to do with magic. I maintain
that originally each geographic area had its own regional magic.
Granted, there were overlaps, and, certainly, a considerable amount of
exchange among magi, but there were regional preferences. Now it is
all "franchise" magic - maybe not as bad as the Pete Biro "mechanical
act" scenario, but certainly common effects are performed nation/World
wide. But aren't there still regional preferences?
Msg #9624 Dated 11:19:21 04-08-91 9609 <--> 9760
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPER PIG?
Yes....glad you capitalized "Stuff!"
I'm wading through my share around here, too!
Msg #9625 Dated 11:19:46 04-08-91 -> 9633
From: ERIC RONNE
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MAGIC MENU/RUDOLPH
I am a relative newcomer to this BBS, and am interested in The Magic
Menu. Could you give me info? Thanx.
I also noted Mr. Rudolph's comments in Genii. I agree that most
people are more easily fooled (or maybe "taken") by mentalism, although
I don't know why. Maybe Mr. Maven could grant insight here. What I feel
Mr. Rudolph has done in his chosen new direction is to take an easier
path. He then chides us, in effect, for taking a slightly more
difficult route toward entertainment.
The fields of magic and mentalism are far too closely allied to
separate into opposing factions. This is counterproductive to us all.
thanx for your time!
Msg #9626 Dated 11:28:20 04-08-91
From: ERIC RONNE
To: ALL
Re: UNZIP FOR MAC
I need a working copy of UNZIP for the Macintosh. Can anyone help me by
copying his and downloading it to the file area, "stuffed?" If so,
you'll gain instant hero status in my book!
Msg #9629 Dated 13:54:46 04-08-91 9322 <--> 9775
From: MICHAEL OVERLY
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ARONSON BOOK
I must admit that before purchasing the new Arronson book I had never
heard of him before (only vague memories of seeing his name in magazine
articles). However, after reading through his book, particularly
Simonize, I purchased two of his earlier books: A stack to Remember
and Card Ideas. All I can say is that I really like his style of
writing and teaching. I also appreciate his many references to other
books and periodicals. Great value!!!!
Msg #9630 Dated 14:13:19 04-08-91 9610 <--> 9718
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ANY DUTCH IN VEGAS??
The only thing I do with leather is cut it out and glue
it down. I had a leather tool once but it kept bending when I
used it to tighten loose nuts. Yes. You don't miss a clue do you?
I did refer to the art of weathering which is practiced by many
model makers . I have an interest in antique electric railway and
have built HO scale models of some of them. I've always preferred
the old look (could it be that since my house is shrouded in the
1930s I'm lost in some abbreviated time warp which vanishes each
time I drive through the gate?).
My family was in the possession of the #2 car for the ill
fated Americus Electric Railway Co. down in Sumter Co. Georgia
(I guess you'd have to be from the "Convict State" to understand
why they put all that pig in Ga BBQ) which didn't survive the
somewhat gay 90s (not now). Anyway we participated in its'
restoration and gave it to the county library (non weathered) to
use as a children's reading rool. Don't get the idea that I'm
some great guy because I voted to keep it and use it as my
reading room.
And I don't care who knows it. They make the best bbq
samwich on white bread in Sumter Co., Georgia PLUS, my wife has
THE killer recipe for the most famous brunswick stew, I'm not
kidding this time. I am happy to also report that I did have an
excellent bbq sandwich in Anderson, SC; but that's not that far
over the Georgia line.
For all those listeners who could care less about bbq
they'll have to understand what circumstance breeds in a man (or
woman, though all the great bbq chefs have been men) who is lucky
enough to be from the barbecue belt.
BTW.....baseball is great. My secret dream with my two
sons is to win the big lottery and buy a minor league team and
watch em PLAY BALL.
Sometimes I think I should lock this computer up but I'm
drawn to it like a moth to the flick of a Bic.
Msg #9631 Dated 14:14:50 04-08-91 -> 9761
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: NEW STEINMEYER BOOK
Help. How - where? can I get the new book on illusion by Jim
Steinmeyer. Is it available yet?
Msg #9633 Dated 16:46:25 04-08-91 9625 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: ERIC RONNE (X)
Re: MAGIC MENU/RUDOLPH
Thanks for your inquiry regarding THE MAGIC MENU. We are a bi-monthly
publication devoted to the restaurant and bar magic specialties.
Subscriptions are $15.00 yearly for six issues. THE MAGIC MENU
features performance philosophy articles, new magic and book reviews
and original magic from top names like Doc Eason, Eric DeCamps,
Charles Greene and others. Back issues are $4.00 each or $10.00 for
all three. Send to: THE MAGIC MENU, 40 Noe Place, A-8, Beacon Falls,
CT 06403. Hope to hear from you!
Msg #9634 Dated 16:55:54 04-08-91 9594 <--> 9641
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
I know what you mean, Pete. It IS frightening. I once did a show
where I used MENTAL EPIC on an old lady. As a matter of course, I
asked her to think of a four digit number, and then purposely reversed
the order of the last two digits. Wouldn't you know it, after the show
she came up to me and APOLOGIZED for getting the numbers screwed up.
I believe that there is some truth to the mentalism being easier to
"suspend disbelief". Most everyone knows that there is no thing as
magic, but E.S.P., psychics, mediums--that's another matter entirely,
and the jury is still out. Heck, all the "National Enquirers" and such
are always filled with predictions by noted "psychics". Don't see to
much press about magicians and their feats of wonder...
Guess P.T. Barnum was right....
Msg #9635 Dated 17:08:23 04-08-91 -> 9643
From: RICHARD HART
To: MELINDA SAXE (X)
Re: WELCOME
Welcome aboard. Or to be more accurate, welcome a-bbs.
Just a word of warning:
Don't, under any circumstances, post a note asking for
Abbott's address! Biro will get apoplexy, Tabman will break
a bass guitar string, and the lead on the Maven's nail writer
will fall out. Lichtman's hard drive will run out of space,
the earth's ozone layer will disappear, and Ammar might finally
log on.
Don't say I didn't warn you .
Msg #9637 Dated 17:19:38 04-08-91 9615 <--> 9638
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Knock of the snob stuff y'all.
Msg #9638 Dated 17:20:13 04-08-91 9622 <--> 9658
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Anybody that uses A1 Sauce is OFF THIS BBS!
Msg #9641 Dated 17:23:21 04-08-91 9620 <--> 9694
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
Gee, I never checked.... but I was POWER FOR A DAY.... HEH HEH. URI EAT
YOUR HEAOUT.,
Msg #9643 Dated 17:28:12 04-08-91 9635 <--> 9667
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WELCOME
Abbott who?
Msg #9644 Dated 17:28:27 04-08-91 -> 9721
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FISM/UBM
Willyum. You guys got to knock of the BBQ stuff on the BBS! Makes me
drool. I don't even have a dining room table! Will not go make me a
lettuce and oil salad! Ate too much Carne Asada and Shrimp in Mexico!
Arrrrgggghhhhh. You won't recognize me. I have gained 80 lbs. since the
Stevens Seminar!
Meanwhile, Take a card! Oh, so you want me to stay late or come early
to Baltimore? Will see what I cna do about it. CNA means WILL OR CAN.
Msg #9646 Dated 18:10:23 04-08-91 -> 9647
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: MELINDA SAXE (X)
Re: THIS SYSTEM
I'm pleased (and relieved) that you approved my review
of your show. Hope I wasn't off on too many details.
(Gee -- now we can't talk about you behind your back!)
Seriously, I hope you'll find time to share some
anecdotes as to what it's like to work full time in Las
Vegas. For most of us (especially since we don't have
to put in all the hard work) your job/career is a dream
job. We would love to hear about it from your
viewpoint.
Msg #9647 Dated 18:34:59 04-08-91 9646 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: THIS SYSTEM
Steve... good message to Melinda... yep, it would be nice to hear some
stories from the real world of entertianment! I will post one in a
minute from the Winner of the Desert Seminar!
Msg #9648 Dated 18:35:47 04-08-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MIKE MICHAELS
Just off the phone with Mike Michaels of Desert Seminar fame...
(Winner if you hven't been reading messages). He is auditioning tonite
at SPLASH for another show.... looks good. He said he is booked for six
months starting mid July in Europe. His phone has been ringing off the
hook since he won in Vegas. He said "I don't need an alarm clock
anymore!" He also said he has worked out yet another strong effect to
close the act with and can't wait to start using it!
Mike is also going to Italy to do a TV show in a day or two!
Msg #9649 Dated 18:38:04 04-08-91 -> 9699
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LETTER
got your letter. Great Letterhead! You look familiar... should I
recognize you from movies or TV character acting? Or is the cartoon
likeness not of you?
Not sure if I will make swap meet. My June sked is worse than my May
sked and looks like July will be FISM etc.... arggghhhh..... it will be
a world class case of JET LAG for this lad this year... his first as a
single person in many, many moons.... time to relax and play for a
year. Only trouble I can't afford it!
Msg #9650 Dated 18:40:11 04-08-91 -> 9668
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: BENEFIT OFFER
OK gang, I have a Goldston Annual 1909-10, the spine is buggered, but
it is in FAIRLY GOOD SHAPE OTHERWISE.
I am offering it to MAGIC! to sell, to highest bidder. I am going to be
away. So will let our lovable BBQ, BBS op do all the work (he gets the
money) David (are you reading this?) You keep track of the bids, you
decide how long it runs and who gets it. They send you the Mazooma and
I send the book and like Abbott's used to do (when we knew their
address) I WILL PAY THE POSTAGE!
Msg #9653 Dated 19:07:13 04-08-91 -> 9680
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: BOOKPLATE
Will send out tomorrow on fastest horse.....from me to you, here to
there.
Msg #9654 Dated 19:20:57 04-08-91 -> 9660
From: ROBIN DAWES
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPS LETTERS
A friend tells me that you have posted some letters from Fred Kaps
on this service. I've looked around in the File Subsystem, but I
cannot find the letters. Can you tell me where to look?
Thanks
Robin
Msg #9655 Dated 19:35:58 04-08-91 -> 9669
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: BOOK SPECIALS
The following is a "commercial" for new books available from Burt
Carpenter. 10% of all proceeds go to support MAGIC!
Phil Goldstein's newest book _THAVANT_ is now available. _THAVANT_
includes 15 new mentalism routines including "Mix Me Deadly" a new
approach to the psycic detective plot, and "the centifuge principle"
which makes a wide range of miracles possible. Stephen Minch, the
publisher says to dealers "If you demonstrate the first trick over the
counter your sales should be guaranteed...it's a stunning effect and
easy to do." All items in this 8x10 52 page book use simple props and
are easy to learn. Uniquely every effect is done with the performers
back to the audience. Michael Weber of _Inside Magic_ says "Every
routine here would be pretty astonishing even if the performer was
watching the spectators, but the addition of the turned back puts many
of these routines in the miracle class...Highly recommended." Price is
only $12.00- $13.50 postpaid.
For you card fans _THE ARONSON APPROACH_ is just your ticket. At only
$30.00 it's a steal. Simon Aronson specializes in cards, close-up, and
mental magic. _Inside Magic_ says "All interesting, deceptive, workable
material, theres not a bad trick in the book. Well produced and
brimming with great ideas. My highest recommendation."
_SONATA_ by Juan Tamariz. 312 pages, 400 illustrations. Only
$45.00+shipping (and you don't have to send to Spain!) For those at
Desert Magic need I say more?
In honor of the March _Genii_ featuring Stewart James, _STEWART JAMES
IN PRINT_ will be 10% off during the month of April.($81.00 instead of
$90.00) This is the largest single volume in all of magic. 1025 8 1/2
x 11 inch pages. Because of its sheer size and weight please add $7.00
postage. This is the first 50 years work by the man who by his own
admission wrote most of the Tarbell course and who was published in
every major magic magazine. Phil Willmarth says "This is the most
monumental magic publication since _Greater Magic_."
As you read the new April _Genii_ featuring Randy Wakeman remember I
also carry his books and videos.
Now for the best part. 10% of all proceeds go to support this MAGIC!
BBS. Currently there have been only 3 ways to raise money to help pay
the phone bill and help pay for equipment. 1)Direct contribution to
David Lichtman [I encourage you all to do so!] 2)Auctions of
books/memorabilia held by Tabby Crabb. 3)This booksale. Please download
the file BOOKSALE.TXT for a more complete list and ordering
instructions.
To download the file from the main menu type "F" for files. Then at the
fdiles menu type "D" for download. This file is in ASCII. Set your
communications software to recieve a file or just turn on your capture
buffer or printer. If you have any problems respond to David Lichtman
or myself. Hope to see your order soon-Burt C.
Msg #9658 Dated 20:06:32 04-08-91 9638 <--> 9678
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Actually, I kinda like A1 sauce on - whatcha-ma-callit - oh, yeah,
filet mignon.
Was down at Hollywood Magic a couple of weeks ago and my son got real
interested in the vanishing ketchup bottle they have. But I didn't buy
him one - he vanishes enough ketchup as it is.
Msg #9660 Dated 20:18:50 04-08-91 9654 <--> 9673
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ROBIN DAWES (X)
Re: KAPS LETTERS
Robin,
Once you're in the files subsystem evoke L;13 (list catagory 13) and
the stuff will roll.
tabman
Msg #9664 Dated 20:23:53 04-08-91 9088 <--> 9787
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
Let me tell you how we used to deal with kids in the magic shop at
Knott's Berry Farm when they would grab at your props or hands. We
would take out a coin and place it on the close-up mat close to the
performer. We would then ask the kid if he knew why magic wands were
invented. They always cautiously said no. As we held a hardwood wand
wex would then tell the kid to touch the coin. USUALLY they would reach
for it slowly. The wand would come down with a hard, fast BANG against
the mat in front of the coin before they could get to it. The noise
and movement frightened them and they would withdraw thier hand like it
had just touched a hot fire. Then the kid was asked not to touch
anything unless asked to or we would use magic wand. In the several
years we did this we never had a complaint from a parent. We stopped
doing it after a particularly fast kid got to the coin at the same time
the wand did. (Ouch) There were no repercussions as the kid deserved
the bruised knuckles but we didn't feel it was in our best interest to
damage the "guests". Probably wouldn't work with women though.
Msg #9665 Dated 20:25:30 04-08-91 9390 <--> 9666
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: UPDATE
I'd love to see the video.
Msg #9666 Dated 20:26:37 04-08-91 9665 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: UPDATE
As well as I.
Msg #9667 Dated 20:33:24 04-08-91 9643 <--> 9700
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WELCOME
Abbott who? Oh yes, I remember now, Who's on first!
Msg #9668 Dated 20:35:48 04-08-91 9650 <--> 9676
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BENEFIT OFFER
I bid. I bid! Ibid? Ibidem?
What's the S.B.B.? (Suggested beginning bid)
Msg #9669 Dated 20:40:36 04-08-91 9655 <--> 9675
From: RICHARD HART
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: BOOK SPECIALS
Yo, Burt! I'll take Phil's new book. Will mail you the check, post
haste (pun intended!). Thinking about the Stewart James tome, but I'm
gonna have to wait until Unka Sammy sends me my refund check first...
Msg #9673 Dated 21:08:43 04-08-91 9654 <--> 9674
From: PETE BIRO
To: ROBIN DAWES (X)
Re: KAPS LETTERS
Ask the SYSOP how to find 'em. I am too dumb.
Msg #9674 Dated 21:09:02 04-08-91 9660 <--> 9684
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: KAPS LETTERS
Oh.
Msg #9675 Dated 21:09:41 04-08-91 9655 <--> 9686
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: BOOK SPECIALS
Biro wants Sonata. What else is coming and do I owe use guys some
dinero? Duh, I am still punchy from killing the rattle snake. I didn't
get close unuf to find out if it tasted like chicken.
Msg #9676 Dated 21:06:53 04-08-91 9650 <--> 9681
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BENEFIT OFFER
WOW! Got that, group? A GOLDSTONE ANNUAL for 1909-1910 (with a
"buggered" spine, but otherwise in "fairly good shape") is UP FOR
AUCTION with the proceedes to go to MAGIC! (THANKS, PETE!). And with
Pete out of town, bids should be addressed to SYSOP (you can leave a
COMMENT from the Main Menu if you want to bid in private). BIDDING
will end at 11:59 P.M. on APRIL 15th - so no waiting for your tax
refund before you bid.
Msg #9678 Dated 21:12:35 04-08-91 9658 <--> 9688
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Do you know that Ketchup bottle glass is made a special way with non
sliding surface?
Msg #9681 Dated 21:14:09 04-08-91 9668 <--> 9682
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: BENEFIT OFFER
Suggested beginning bid is anything under $100,000.00
Msg #9682 Dated 21:14:48 04-08-91 9676 <--> 9692
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: BENEFIT OFFER
Do I get to bid too? Nah, I got a shelf full of them.
Msg #9684 Dated 21:15:10 04-08-91 9660 <--> 9754
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ROBIN DAWES (X)
Re: KAPS LETTERS
Robin - the Kaps letters are published periodically as a part of the
message base. Right now they are spread out throughout the different
message files (MAGIC-14.TXT, MAGIC-15.TXT, for example).
There will be a couple of NEW Kaps letters posted in the next day or
two.
Once all of them have been posted I suspect that we will make a
seperate file with them in it.
Hope that helps.
Msg #9686 Dated 21:19:17 04-08-91 9655 <--> 9862
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: BOOK SPECIALS
Thanks, Burt! There are definitely some GREAT books in your special
list message.
Msg #9688 Dated 21:29:07 04-08-91 9678 <--> 9695
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
No, but if you hum a few bars, I'll fake it.
Msg #9692 Dated 22:50:26 04-08-91 9676 <--> 9696
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: BENEFIT OFFER
Ok. Got it. Biro sez less that a hunnert-thou. Guess I'll have to
start the ball rolling with a bid of $30. Hubba hubba!
Msg #9693 Dated 22:50:50 04-08-91 -> 9705
From: EMORY KIMBROUGH
To: ALL
Re: CONFERENCE
Those of you who have CompuServe ID's and who want to discuss the
David Copperfield special, please note that there will be a
conference in the Magician's Only room of the Science/Math forum at
11:00 pm Eastern Time on the night of Copperfield's special (Tuesday).
Msg #9694 Dated 23:06:13 04-08-91 9641 <--> 9706
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
What ever happened to Uri Gellar? Is he still working?
Msg #9695 Dated 22:52:26 04-08-91 9678 <--> 9697
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
You know, Pete, you're right. Catsup bottles ARE manufactured with a
special high-silicon, low-friction/adhesion glass. The coefficient of
static friction on the inside of a catsup bottle approaches that of wet
ice. Teflon (tm) also has the same properties. A few years back,
J. T. Placebo published a series of Matrix routines utilizing half
dollars that had their undersides coated with Teflon (tm). Made the
thumb pad sweep extremely easy (almost self working). I experimented
with them back in, oh, I think it was 1959, but gave up the idea when
I found that coins with the special preparation tended to slip off my
close-up mat, and took a nose-dive into the laps of the spectators.
I had thought I was on to something (viz: Spectator lapping) but then
discovered that Hofzinser had throughly exhausted the idea many years
before. Marlo published a pamphlet on the subject, "Slippery When Dry"
back in '57, and Roth capitalized on the idea in his monumental epic,
"The 100 Yard Thumb Kick" lecture notes in 1972.
Since then, Mike Maxwell, Suds the magic Clown, Larry Jennings and
Derek Dingle have published variantions on this theme. Richard Kaufman
was considering a video on it, but after several false starts,
abandoned the idea when it was determined that Teflon (tm) coins would
not show up on TV, hence he had the option of doing coin sleights ala
Marcel Marceu, or enclosing an errata sheet of pen and ink drawings of
what it _should_ look like.
So I guess the topic of Teflon (tm) coated coins should be laid to
rest. I do think there is more that can be done, but I, for one,
haven't the time to experiment further. Perhaps it should be left to
magic's younger generation.
Just imagine what one could do with a Teflon (tm) coated deck!
Msg #9696 Dated 23:32:01 04-08-91 9692 <--> 9864
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: BENEFIT OFFER
OK - we have a bid of $30.
Msg #9697 Dated 23:33:51 04-08-91 9695 <--> 9703
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Have you considered the possibility of adding some coins with velcro on
them? I know that a series of velcro coin tricks were published
privately by Erdnase in 1897 and also Bobo in a memorandum circulated
at the Stevens/Munari Close-Up convention. But I don't think anyone
has done a modern combination of teflon coins and velcro coins in a
rough/smooth effect.
P.S. - Howie Schwarzman sells a version of one of the Bobo velcro coin
effects.
Msg #9699 Dated 1:13:52 04-09-91 9649 <--> 9707
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LETTER
Glad you received the letter & postage.
Yes, the cartoon is of me. Whether you recognize me or not is
something only you can determine. I've performed professionally on
network television for the last thirteen years. Some folks recognize
me and some folks don't. There's an old saying, though..."If you gotta
TELL someone who you are, then you ain't!" That little gem of wisdom
has always helped me keep my perspective.
Sorry you won't be able to stop by the Castle in June, but I'm sure
that for all your kvetching, you're happy to be so busy...and, more
importantly, busy with fun things like FISM!
Best,
'Wayne.
Msg #9700 Dated 1:28:16 04-09-91 9667 <--> 9708
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WELCOME
While we're on the subject, Chris Costello, (Lou's daughter), tells me
that there will finally be a U.S. stamp issued in honor of the
legendary comedy team. The scheduled issue date is, I believe,
sometime in September. It took a lot of lobbying from a great number
of sources over an extended period of time, but I'm delighted with the
outcome.
Msg #9703 Dated 6:06:10 04-09-91 9695 <--> 9716
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
I think we have coated our brains with teflon... the effect has slipped
away?
Msg #9705 Dated 6:07:59 04-09-91 9693 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EMORY KIMBROUGH
Re: CONFERENCE
What for?
Msg #9706 Dated 6:08:09 04-09-91 9694 <--> 9719
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
Last I heard he was doing private seances for suckers! Rich suckers.
Msg #9707 Dated 6:09:07 04-09-91 9699 <--> 9722
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LETTER
I knew you were you! Hah. I dig. I hang out with lots of famous folks,
A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti, etc. and they know who they are and are
cool. Only racer that isn't is Paul Newman. I have met him (even sat at
same table for Lunch) and the sucker never recognises or remembers you
and never says howdy or anything! Who needs it!
Msg #9708 Dated 6:11:17 04-09-91 9700 <--> 9710
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WELCOME
Great. Who's on first? MAGIC! Will add to my WC Fields stamp.
Msg #9709 Dated 6:11:55 04-09-91 -> 9711
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOU OK?
I something wrong? I have not seen a message from the Tabman yet today.
Am trying to figure the sked... come to Balt early or stay late? Got a
dumb pay job in Calif. betewen Balt and FISM.... can afford to skip the
money job.... but if air fare costs too much, might farm out the phoot
(photo) job!
Msg #9710 Dated 6:15:33 04-09-91 9700 <--> 9723
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: OUR MAGIC GOVERNMENT
While we're on the subject... According to IBM (and, I presume, SAM)
there has NEVER been a U.S. Postage Stamp honoring a magician. They
are trying to remedy that. Hope it ends up with something appropriate;
would hate to see it be a 1-cent stamp or a pre-cancel or something.
Which brings me to another question about the government. With all the
controversy about the National Endowment for the Arts - has ANY
magician EVER received NEA funding? Or is it reserved strictly for
high class folks who splash paint on canvas, cut up old automobiles and
make sculptures, and for those who dance on their toes?
Msg #9711 Dated 6:59:16 04-09-91 9709 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOU OK?
tabman Ok. Thanx for asking, though. Been doing some bulk mail today
and just got bak. Must recover and then........Thanks again.
Msg #9712 Dated 8:35:56 04-09-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: TIME CHANGE
The MAGIC! system clock has been reset to reflect Daylight Savings Time
in the United States.
Msg #9713 Dated 9:17:58 04-09-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAGICNL
Re: LINE NOISE
I have been trying to communicate with MAGIC_NL, but line noise is
killing it every time. Anyone else having the same problem?
Msg #9714 Dated 9:18:52 04-09-91 -> 9715
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NUTTIN
Thanks. I have 12 Forty Pound boxes of old books (not mine) to mail to
a friend today! Like Abbott's we pay the postage! Arrgghhh. UPS was
over $30 each last time, PO will be about $12 (I hope)!
Packin and scratchin today. Will try to pin down my trip to the Old
Principal's House in a week or so.... Got some surprises coming to
Baltimore! Adios, amigo.... mo later blues....
Msg #9715 Dated 10:20:32 04-09-91 9714 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NUTTIN
I heard that. Thats good news and we'll take care of ya along with BW
and other friends. Same to ya.....its 1a thoze daze.....tabman
Msg #9716 Dated 10:40:41 04-09-91 9622 <--> 9717
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: REGIONAL MAGIC
Yes...North (and South) Carolinians around Calabash do cook lots of
seafood...in fact...almost more than I can eat....but I do love that
area and the summer vacations we have enjoyed near there. I would
agree that magic does tend to follow certain patterns in certain areas,
but I am not sure if the patterns relate to geography or to certain
magicians who happen to live in that area. An example might be Marlo
and more than the usual number of card magicians in Chicago. (lots of
line noise today)
Msg #9717 Dated 10:43:52 04-09-91 9637 <--> 9724
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Y'all obvious doesn't kno much bout bar-b-que....but with a name like
Biro what does one expect?
Msg #9718 Dated 10:47:16 04-09-91 9630 <--> 9726
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC/TRAINS/PEANUTS
Oh my gawd....good brunswick stew is heaven on earth for sure...one
could even forget bar-b-que in certain instances where Brunswick stew
was present!
Your wife is indeed talentened!!
I should have known you had done some modeling...your
intelligence and grace was just too fine for it to have been
otherwis -e. HO scale is just a further indication of your good
judgement. I am a fan of the 50's period and the - Norhthfok and
Western Railway. Since they were the last of the railroads to give up
on steam...that allows me to have both steam and deisel power at the
same time. I do more modeling than operating...particularly now that
the layout is in pieces after the move. I also do a bit of military
modeling (mainly for the kids) but weathering is great factor on
military models as well as trains. Anyhow, I think modeling technique
can be of great help to the magician, particularly if one manufactures
any of their own props. Even got into a bit of leather working in
order to make a cinder for the Ramsay coins many years ago.
As I have long wished to own a caboose, I understand why your family
would have owned such a car...don't you wish you still had it?
I wonder if any of these yankees on here ever had boiled peanuts.
One day I am gonna try to figure out why two gron men that live about
30 miles or so apart (as the crow flies) are calling the West Coast in
order to communicate with each other.
Msg #9719 Dated 10:59:29 04-09-91 9641 <--> 9727
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
I have never been comfortable doing mental magic for just the reasons
you are talking about....I found people too willing to want to believe
it was real and I didn't like the risk of messing with their minds...
Msg #9721 Dated 11:04:25 04-09-91 9644 <--> 9729
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM/UBM
Come early and stay late! We will find a place for you to sleep as
long as you can tolerate cats and kids. Otherwise , I will farm you
out to some other place....lots of folks are looking for Biros.
Consult the Tabman since he might want to see you. If you stay late
you might be able to go over to FISM from the East Coast and save
considerable time in the air.
Msg #9722 Dated 12:30:07 04-09-91 9707 <--> 9730
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LETTER
I've seen Newman pay LOTS of attention to people...
...but, then again, they were always gorgeous women!
Msg #9723 Dated 12:34:19 04-09-91 9710 <--> 9738
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: OUR MAGIC GOVERNMENT
Let me tell you from the Abbott & Costello "experience," that lobbying
CAN pay off...but you must be relentless! Is IBM and/or SAM lobbying
on behalf of a specific magician? Houdini? Thurston? If not, they
certainly SHOULD!
...
Regarding NEA funding and the apparent absence of any funding for
magic....with the way the economy has been going, the fact that ANYONE
has been funded by the NEA at all is magic!
...
The question is much larger than that of NEA funding...
It really boils down to the lack of recognition of magic as an art form
and not just a "silly boys' hobby."
Msg #9724 Dated 14:02:05 04-09-91 9716 <--> 9725
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Line noise? Marlo specializes in that, I hear.
Msg #9725 Dated 14:02:26 04-09-91 9717 <--> 9735
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Yeah, but I'll make Goulash you won't believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #9726 Dated 14:02:58 04-09-91 9718 <--> 9736
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ANY DUTCH IN VEGAS??
Would you guys read the header and stick to the subject. You make me
hungry.
Msg #9727 Dated 14:03:23 04-09-91 9719 <--> 9741
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
I have 75,000 dollars a week coming in from Mind reading scam. If you
believe that you believe in Urine Geller (as I call him). Bend your
key?
Msg #9729 Dated 14:05:13 04-09-91 9721 <--> 9897
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FISM/UBM
How do you save time in the air? What goes up, comes down.
Msg #9730 Dated 14:05:39 04-09-91 9722 <--> 9745
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LETTER
You mean he's straight?
Msg #9732 Dated 14:21:59 04-09-91
From: MARVIN STERN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: NAB
Will be at the show all four days and hope to met up with you.
You can always leave a message at the Tiffen Filter Co. booth.
If you stop by and have the time, wet the appetite of Jack, sales mgr.
He is one of those guys who gave magic shows when a kid and hasnot done
any since then. However on his trips to LA , I've taken him to the
Castle and he is getting interested again. Maybe your trick will push
him over the line and get him started.
Regardless, tell him you heard he likes the 7 of Dia.
Hope to see you there. Regards.
Msg #9733 Dated 15:16:06 04-09-91 -> 9739
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ANY BBQ IN HOLLAND
Traffic Congestion?
I'll confess to having built two small railroads and one
decorama, but this was many moons ago. Yes, especially after
seeing the restored trolly finished out in yellow and green. but
it lives on for my dad and grandad in Americus, Ga at the Lake
Blackshear Regional Library. Stop by and see it if you're ever in
Americus sneaking some Georgia bbq.
Will faxx you the brunswick stew recipe unless of course
Frank Garcia is online and wants a great and most magical brew to
include in his latest book....then I'll put it up, however like
most great effects, this is a TOP SECRET. A veritable fortune
could be made down on some state highway in Georgia if I opened
Tabman's BBQ and Brunswick Stew Stand and Horseshoe Pit. Bettern
Country's BBQ in Columbus, GA and they in their ignorance claim
to have the best.
Having started this bbq thread about a year ago when I
found out The Frog was from SC, I wish to lay it to rest -
probably to the relief of most of the MAGIC! bbsers - by having
my attorney read the following statement:
"I tabman, having sampled the bbq in Mississippi,
Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina, North Carolina,
Virginia, and yes, even Texas have reached the conclusion that
beef bbq from the Lone Star state is better than no bbq at all
and Marylanders think bbq is chicken."
Between the 2 or 3 of us, Biroman, could have a pretty
good time around here. We don't have any kidz but 6 dogs, 2 cats,
9 parrots, and 40 million ants should qualify for some sort of
annoyance; however, the guest room has its own air conditioner
and there is an air of days past still lingering in the village
especially when the Amish buckboards trot by.
Now with keeping up with the two of ya'll I ordered a
2400 baud modem today sooz I can get up and down four times
quicker than I think instead of only twice as fast. I can't
believe the west coast kidz got their April Genii mag alredy. I
just got March.
MAGIC! is about the easiest way for me to keep up with
you jet setters, and since grandpa's mule died I stick pretty
close to home. Heck, this terminal is in my dining room turned
office and I can keep an eye on the studio out the window so I
get drawn in pretty often and it's great to check in and there's
a friendly voice coming across the wire. Would imagine that
sometimes these ld calls go via satellite and we're really
racking up the frequent flyer miles.
Msg #9735 Dated 16:10:06 04-09-91 9716 <--> 9814
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: REGIONAL MAGIC
Hmmm... Interesting idea - that regional magic is created by the
magicians. I was thinking more that the cultural environment might
create a preference for types of magic, at least in the "old days."
Card magic near Mississippi riverboats, spirit magic in the "Bible
Belt," etc.
Msg #9736 Dated 16:15:17 04-09-91 9718 <--> 9737
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC/TRAINS/PEANUTS
Ah, yes, Brunswick Stew -- almost as good as real Bar-B-Que. And the
reason you call the West Coast, instead of each other, is that I love
boiled peanuts too. Gotta be fresh though - can't even ship 'em
airfreight.
Model making is, no doubt, a powerful tool for a mage. Some VERY handy
stuff can be found in model shops or can be made by using modeling
tools. Couldn't have created my "Guillotine of Death" routine, with
the magnetized doll, without such stuff. Which suggests that someone
post a NEW TRICK - perhaps one made at home?
Oh, --> TO BIRO <-- notice that the thread has a NEW NAME -- OK now?
Msg #9737 Dated 16:22:37 04-09-91 9736 <--> 9740
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC/TRAINS/PEANUTS
Gotta B careful with the salt. Cedar Creek canned BP are great but
can't findem up here. Tube with the BP in the mail to yo house for
premium. Lemme know if there is a charge for my fullsized copy and I'll
reimburse if necessary. Don't ferget 2 look for my certificate as its
impt to me. Later..........
Msg #9738 Dated 16:22:47 04-09-91 9723 <--> 9742
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: OUR MAGIC GOVERNMENT
It sounds like you had some part in the Abbott & Costello stamp. If
so, maybe you could provide an overview of the process? The info on
what IBM is up to concerning a stamp was in an issue of Linking Ring.
I am not a particular fan of government funding of the arts, but I was
wondering if magic had ever gotten any NEA money. Yeah, "silly boys'
hobby" - one of the "boys" will be earning some big bucks on CBS tonite
- seems to me that they've shown more of his specials than they have
operas.
Msg #9739 Dated 16:36:19 04-09-91 9733 <--> 9777
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC IN BRUNSWICK
HEY! If you are "leaking" THE Brunswick Stew recipie, SEND ME ONE TOO!
Msg #9740 Dated 16:38:31 04-09-91 9737 <--> 9748
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC/TRAINS/PEANUTS
Dug into my desk and found 2 termites, 1 fossilized boiled peanut, and
your certificate. Will mail it out before end of week. You have your
signed, numbered MAGIC! button, right?
Msg #9741 Dated 18:11:54 04-09-91 9584 <--> 9895
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
Point well taken. Say, if that supernatural job ever opens up.... (Ha!
Ha!) When I read that article, it really threw me. Seems to me magic
will survive, despite Bruce Rudolph.
Msg #9742 Dated 18:17:42 04-09-91 9700 <--> 9746
From: RICHARD HART
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WELCOME
Great news! I have been a fan of A & C since I was knee-high to a TV.
September, you say? I'll have to haunt my local post oriface screaming
"Heeeeyyyyy Abboooooootttttt!"
Msg #9743 Dated 18:16:04 04-09-91 -> 9749
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: OPENING DAY
Good going Mr. Copperfield! Scheduling your special for baseball
opening day. Anyone know who the mind behind the scheduling here? Did
it not occur that some affiliates (like KPIX in SF) might be running
baseball games on opening day? I have to wait for Thursday to see the
special, because of the Twins/A's game. It would have been on
Wednesday, but RESCUE 911 seems so important to CBS & KPIX.
Oh well, At least tomorrows SAM meeting isn't cancelled. Which reminds
me, Vito Lupo (Of Vaudeville 2000 fame) is giving a lecture on the 24th
of April. Drop me note here if you're going to be in the Bay Area
around that time, and i'll give you all the info. Seating is limited to
40 people!
Msg #9744 Dated 18:23:21 04-09-91 -> 9767
From: RICHARD HART
To: SYSOP
Re: AUCTION
I bid $35.00.
Msg #9745 Dated 18:33:11 04-09-91 9730 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LETTER
That's what his boyfriend sez!
Msg #9746 Dated 18:36:12 04-09-91 9742 <--> 9747
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: WELCOME
There's a new A&C book coming out very soon...should be a knockout!
Also, you should try to get a copy of LOU'S ON FIRST by his daughter,
Chris Costello, who graciously thanks me a couple of times in the
Acknowledgements. It's been out in hardcover and oversized softcover.
Msg #9747 Dated 18:39:07 04-09-91 9738 <--> 9765
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: OUR MAGIC GOVERNMENT
I'll have to check out the Linking Ring article...do you know which
issue?
..
Regarding NEA funding...I'd like to know if they've ever funded magic
in any way whatsoever....as I said, the problem goes deeper to a
general lack of contemporary artistic credit given to magicians.
It shows the general elitist, narrow-minded ignorance of the artistic
community in general...they seem to have a blind-spot when it comes to
magic.
Msg #9748 Dated 19:24:44 04-09-91 9736 <--> 9766
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC/TRAINS/PEANUTS
I know a corner that keeps the brew goin' down in Georgia where I
always stop for boiled peanuts!!!! Haw!
Msg #9749 Dated 19:26:34 04-09-91 9743 <--> 9849
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: OPENING DAY
Scott... hitting the road...Crum will miss copperfield. Will someone
VCR it???? I will be therefor Vito Lupo. Saveme a good seat. Will be
calling Vito when I get a chance nextweek when I get bck from Phoenix.
Glad you said Vodvil 2000 'FAME' -- 'twas a great show, and Vito's act
was a KILLER. A KILLERRRRR!!!!!!
Msg #9750 Dated 19:28:20 04-09-91 -> 9752
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NO PEANUTS
Just wanted to start a new thread. NO PEANUTS. Can mean many things!
When I getbacknext weeeeek (can't spell either) will try to figger
outmy travel fo the summer. I know the last threeweeksin May I is gonna
be in Indianapolis. Man it is hut ond muggy hyer.
Outa here manana reeeel early! Will bring laptop withme.\\
Msg #9751 Dated 19:59:50 04-09-91 -> 9757
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
Masterful program tonight. One of his best for me. Loved the variation
on bump in the night and the vanish of the dining car.
Msg #9752 Dated 20:01:38 04-09-91 9750 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NO PEANUTS
Yeah man. Take er easy. Geno called and sed cool for biroman so disc is
in the mail tomorrow on the slowboat should be there when U get bak.
Hasta luego amigo.
Lefty
Msg #9753 Dated 20:12:07 04-09-91 -> 9756
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
I agree with the Tabman! It's probably D.C.'s best special in years.
The interactive "Room For Doubt" sequence was an interesting idea also
(though the mathematics of it will be apparent to laymen if they taped
the show and watch it repeatedly). The Sankey trick (Card in Balloon)
was also a highlight.
Msg #9754 Dated 20:41:47 04-09-91 9660 <--> 9755
From: ROBIN DAWES
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: KAPS LETTERS
Category 13!!?! No wonder I couldn't find them: I thought there
were only 9 categories.
Thanks muchly for the tip
Robin
PS - the t&r card method is really clever.
Msg #9755 Dated 20:43:48 04-09-91 9673 <-
From: ROBIN DAWES
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPS LETTERS
Tabby Crabb has pointed me to them.
Thanks
Robin
Msg #9756 Dated 21:27:19 04-09-91 9753 <--> 9770
From: RICHARD HART
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I must admit, I'm extremely impressed. Copperfield sure puts on one
hell of a show! Was also quite pleased by the behind the scenes stuff,
editing, direction, and sound. The staging for the levitation was
Emmy quality in my opinion...
I do understand, however, that the "sculpture" in front of the Castle
was just flattened by a 140,000 pound appearing rail car...
Msg #9757 Dated 21:36:55 04-09-91 9751 <--> 9768
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I especially like the floating tissue turned into a rose! This was
brilliant.
Msg #9760 Dated 22:03:21 04-09-91 9597 <-
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPER PIG?
You know, Pete, there's some sort of automotive shop I pass by often.
They have similar pieces out front & I get a kick out of it. Went to
the art museum recently and, yes, my taste certainly runs to more
"classical" (think that would be the term) art. I was, personally,
really uncomfortable with the placement of the piece at the Castle. I
felt something wasn't right when it was officially called a "cat". It
always, absolutely looked like a pig in a cape to me. Also was
uncomfortable to find out that the artist was inspired by Lance Burton.
Also, why would the artist want to place his piece in such an
inappropriate place? Hoping for a sale?
Well, I hate to hear narrow-minded people. They limit themselves so
much, but I guess I'm coming off as one - will have to contemplate that
as I drift off to sleep tonight. . .
Msg #9761 Dated 22:13:02 04-09-91 9631 <--> 9794
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW STEINMEYER BOOK
Tabby, as of less than a month ago, the book was till being proofread.
I
heard from Jim about a week ago and he said the book was coming along
fine. He didn't say, but I would guess the book will be ready by
convention time this summer (maybe PCAM). Don't know for certain, but
another guess would be that Magical Publications may do some
distributing. I don't have a Genii in front of me, but a suggestion
would be to get Jim's address from one of his ads and let him know
you'd like to get on his mailing list.
Msg #9762 Dated 22:30:26 04-09-91
From: JOHN JOLLY
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
Well, he's done it again. What did ya think of the new special.
Personnaly, I only got to see snatches of it and on a 5 in screen at
that (will look at the VT later), but it brought back the old Henning
days with the Fountain levi and "Things that go bump...". Kole's
sliding head or whatever it's called looked great. The orient express
asrah was a bit much; but what a nice lead in with Max's mind game Pick
a (dining) Car. comments?
jj
............!poof!
Msg #9765 Dated 23:26:28 04-09-91 9747 <--> 9778
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: OUR MAGIC GOVERNMENT
Do I know which issue? Who do you think I am - T.A. Waters or Max
Maven? Actually, before I sent the message I did a superficial check
of some issues and couldn't find it. Seems to me it was about a year
ago, although there was a recent editorial that sorta spoofed it. Will
try to check on which issue it was.
Yes, indeed, the NEA probably does have a blind spot when it comes to
magic. I don't know how the committees were put together, but NEA
funding is by committees of peers. So it isn't what you can do, or how
much the public may enjoy it, it is political relationships with your
like minded (as you put it so well, "elitist, narrow-minded") peers.
Result - "Michael" would probably get NEA funding for the "Super Pig,"
but anyone in the magic community would probably find no-one to talk
to.
Msg #9766 Dated 23:35:47 04-09-91 9748 <--> 9893
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC/TRAINS/PEANUTS
Then you also know that real folks call 'em goobers.
Msg #9767 Dated 23:37:11 04-09-91 9744 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: AUCTION
Er, Richard, I think you just upped your own bid! But that's OK -
lemme see - that makes a $35 bid for a GOLDSTONE ANNUAL for
1909-1910... Do I hear more?
Msg #9768 Dated 23:38:22 04-09-91 9751 <--> 9769
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
My thoughts: It was GREAT! Really well done. As someone said, there
was a touch of Doug Henning in there (he was in the credits).
And it looked like a good portion of MAGIC!'s members were in the
credits too. Which makes me wonder why no-one has commented on the
Card on Train Window yet.
Msg #9769 Dated 23:44:10 04-09-91 9757 <--> 9792
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I agree - I really liked the floating tissue to rose. Very nicely
done.
Msg #9770 Dated 23:45:05 04-09-91 9756 <--> 9774
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Thanks for telling us where the railroad car went! Couldn't have
landed in a better spot. AND it gives me a chance to explain it to my
2-1/2 year old magician son. He loved the show (cried when I refused
to replay the video immediately), but he was wondering where the
railroad car went. In his act he is adamant that when you vanish
something you have to bring it back.
Msg #9774 Dated 0:07:05 04-10-91 9770 <--> 9776
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I thought the magic was superb, though I wish there could have been
more of it -- and less weird dance moves. My girlfriend put it well.
She said "Isn't this kind of... _disco_?
But you can't argue with sucess. I haven't been paying attention long
enough to remember where Copperfield _came_ from. He's been doing
these specials for thirteen years, right? Where was he before then?
And what ABOUT that card on window!
Msg #9775 Dated 0:10:51 04-10-91 9629 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MICHAEL OVERLY (X)
Re: ARONSON BOOK
Thanks much for the info. It seems to be getting rave reviews all
around. Will definitely pick it up. Thanks again!
Msg #9776 Dated 0:27:57 04-10-91 9774 <--> 9804
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
A Card on Airplane Window was a topic of considerable discussion here
on MAGIC! about six months ago.
Msg #9777 Dated 0:28:59 04-10-91 9733 <--> 9898
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ANY BBQ IN HOLLAND
Tabman,
My wife would like to know what you have against Texas Bbq? She is from
the Lone Star State and thinks you just missed out on the good stuff.
She was glad you don't like it though....leaves more for the real
connoiseurs of BBq. Just thought you should know these important facts!
Msg #9778 Dated 1:20:02 04-10-91 9765 <--> 9889
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: OUR MAGIC GOVERNMENT
Sad but true, David.
Msg #9779 Dated 1:20:55 04-10-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OKAY, NOW...
Okay, now I don't feel so bad.
Marty Nash showed me his pinochle routine and I couldn't believe that
I didn't see him show me the ace of spades twice. The Ace of SPADES!
Of all cards!!!
Then he told me that when he showed it to you, you didn't notice it
either.
Okay, now I don't feel so bad.
Msg #9783 Dated 2:53:37 04-10-91 9517 <--> 9784
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: MISC. STUFF
The artwork in front of the Magic Castle is a historical interesting
item but alas it will be going. Now will everyone stop the
whining.------ same as it ever was - same as it ever was --same
as......
Msg #9784 Dated 2:58:49 04-10-91 9571 <-
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: PATRICE MOORE
Re: MISC. STUFF
the same as it ever was party..
Msg #9787 Dated 5:00:16 04-10-91 9664 <-
From: RANDY LUND
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: WOMEN IN MAGIC
True enough, slapping an adult woman on the knuckles with ones wand
these days would certainly lead to something I would rather avoid.
What I am trying to work with is to always keep a man (and one I dont
think will be a problem) on my left side. The right is safer as a
rught hander this is my active hand and someone coming in from the
right will be picked up much sooner than someone coming in from the
left. Kids we just keep back out of arms reach.
Msg #9789 Dated 5:58:56 04-10-91 -> 9793
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: GOLDSTON ANNUALS
Regarding the Annuals, note our latest list for the 2 we had. They
went super fast!
Charlie
Msg #9792 Dated 7:26:48 04-10-91 9768 <--> 9796
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I appologize for including Texas BBQ in a discussion of
Southern BBQ as everyone knows Texas BBQ is Western BBQ cooked to
perfection over a bed of mesquite, it's hard to beat; however, if
you don't behave...no Brunswick Stew Recipe. Gloria is worried
that the family BS recipe will get one offed, but I assured her
that magicians aren't like that.
As far as the CARD ON WINDOW effect the coincidence
caught me off guard. I didn't get a chance to watch the credits
roll. Did someone receive direct credit for the effect, or were
they merely "Thank Yous" at the end.
Several years ago James Randi got a MacArthur Foundation
Fellowship for a quarter mil + in a magic related grant. I would
imagine a magician could get a NEA grant if he were able to tie
his art in with socially revelancy or link it to a minority
related issue. Part of the problem is that it would become part
of the public record and public trust and this goes against the
oath of secrecy our deep involvement implies.
Lance Burton's cardboard and gaffertaped "Moth" which he
presented at the DMS was every bit as strong as the magic DC
presented last night. Does this mean that we'll see "Big L" on
national tv soon. I for one hope so. Maybe a Lance and Melinda
Special ???
Will send BS recipe ASA I find Gloria. She went into
hiding right after I told her I'd promised it to a PAIR OF ACES.
tabwood
Msg #9793 Dated 7:28:01 04-10-91 9789 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: GOLDSTON ANNUALS
Charlie....
I hope you and Richard made it to Chicago and back for
the Magic Collectors Weekend. I'm wanting to hear all about it.
Hope you guys had a successful trip and got lots of goodies for
the H&R #4.
Richard and I (as you prob know now) had a nice talk
about his coming to the Music City Conclave and Magicians
Symposium to present his Hofzinser Lecture for everybody. It is
shaping up to be one of the great events. Just about all the
details have been worked out.....still waiting to hear from two
lecturers, but on board so far are Johnny Ace Palmer, Geno
Munari, Richard Hatch, and Ray Mertz. Nothing is written in stone
as of yet, besides the hotel contract which has been signed, but
we've gotten verbal committments from these guys. I'm still
waiting to hear from my fave parlour magi and one of the great
mindreaders on the planet.
Would def like to hear all about the MagiCol when you get
a chance.
tabman
PS....trying to work out a tour of David Price's Egyptian Hall as
part of the Nashville "draw".
Msg #9794 Dated 8:12:40 04-10-91 9761 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PATRICE MOORE
Re: NEW STEINMEYER BOOK
Thanx for the info and will get onit. Don't wanna miss what the
Steinmeyer hasta say. Got an address for him?
Msg #9796 Dated 8:41:07 04-10-91 9792 <--> 9799
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
The Card on the Window was not attributed to anyone. The "Thank You's"
were general, but included Mac King, Michael Ammar, etc., and
"Mindgames Consultant" Max Maven. I thought all of the effects were
very strong and enjoyed the show very much. Thought he handled the
"Mindgame" very well. Now Arnaud wants a complete description, so one
of us (generic) is gonna have to review the show.
I didn't realize that the NEA would require a report - I assumed that
they would just want tickets to the show. Do they make the artists
list what type of paints they used? Guess "Michael" could inventory
the "Super Pig" sources. Thanks for the MacArthur info - did I ever
tell you that I knew John D.? He was quite a character and made sure
that his money would not go to fund "more of the same." Created the
most innovative foundation around.
FIND GLORIA and tell her that the BS recipie is needed!
Msg #9799 Dated 9:54:07 04-10-91 9796 <--> 9801
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Steve Bryant is an excellent reviewer. Maybe if he saw the show he'll
be kind enuf to write one up. BS recipe in the mail tomorrow.
Msg #9801 Dated 11:12:37 04-10-91 9799 <--> 9802
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Got the BS via fax. Thanks! Can it be done with a crockpot? Or does
that ruin the effect? Also, what the heck was that second thing??? A
CARDiogram of my fax machine???
Msg #9802 Dated 11:14:06 04-10-91 9801 <--> 9805
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Crockpot would imagine. What thing??
Msg #9804 Dated 12:05:52 04-10-91 9776 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Gotcha. Before my time.
Msg #9805 Dated 12:16:12 04-10-91 9801 <--> 9806
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Cardiogram sounds like a gag out of Harris' "Mad Fax" book.
Msg #9806 Dated 13:02:14 04-10-91 9805 <--> 9817
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Funny you should mention Mad Fax. I'm trying to find a copy and Tabman
just faxed me the cover to make sure I was jealous.
Msg #9808 Dated 17:41:06 04-10-91 7111 <-
From: CHAD MORRIS
To: ANDREW T OAKDEN
Re: BROOM SUSPENSION
HI, I am new to the system, and I read a message about you having the
tannen plans to some of these great illusions, brrom suspension, I also
run a bbs so if you wanna call it we could talk, Its called Chad's
Hangout-(916)443-6336 and if not I can catch ya here i guess. I dont
mean to but in on ya but I am very interested in getting ahold of some
of those W.S. Plans for making these tricks, well Cya.
Chad
Msg #9813 Dated 19:15:21 04-10-91 9561 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC OF AMMAR (BOOK)
Promises,promises
Msg #9814 Dated 19:16:00 04-10-91 9536 <--> 9821
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Table hopping magicians at a BBQ place??? Could make for some mighty
sticky cards. 'Course they would smell great. I can see it now-Dr. L
and his finger lickin' magic"
Msg #9815 Dated 19:16:41 04-10-91 9605 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: MELINDA SAXE (X)
Re: NEW MEMBER
Melinda, welcome aboard. I was able to catch your show with our David
Lichtman our SYSOP (System Operator) while we were visiting at Desert
Magic. Sorry I couldn't get a chance to talk with you after the show,
but I had another appointment. I did get one of your posters when you
visited the morning seminar show. Thanks. I enjoyed your show and think
you have a tremendous amount of energy. I was however kind of put off
by the chinese act. trying to push a pole through someones throat makes
me a little squeemish. I just don't find it entertaining. What are you
tryng to accomplish with both them and Los Latin Cowboys? Are they
meant to balance the show so that it's not too feminine? I thought
your juggler was great and really enjoyed his bit. I thought the other
two acts went too long and would have prefered to see more magic
instead if that were possible.
Sorry this was to be a welcome message, not a critique of your show.
Perhaps we can discuss that more later. There have been several
discussions here in which you could be a very welcome contributor. One
of the most popular questions is why there aren't more women performing
magic here in the US. Maybe you could give us your thoughts on that.
Many on the board would also enjoy hearing how it is to work in Las
Vegas. Do you or your producer have the most control of what goes in
the show? Do you have to fight with a show budget as you try to include
more illusions or hire more dancers etc. OOPS I'm off track again. Let
me try again. WELCOME TO MAGIC!
-Burt C.
Msg #9817 Dated 19:53:07 04-10-91 9806 <--> 9822
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I can loan you mine, but I'd need it back. I believe Hollywood Magic
has them in stock, and they do mail order, and Busby might have a few
copies. Or try Brad Burt in San Diego -- he's special-ordered books
for me on ocassion.
Msg #9821 Dated 20:18:36 04-10-91 9814 <--> 9890
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Hey, if the idea of a South Carolina Bar-B-Que with table hopping
magicians goes over, we'll be holding our own convention for
finger-lickin' magicians - maybe call it FFLF.
Msg #9822 Dated 20:21:09 04-10-91 9817 <--> 9851
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Thanks for the loan offer, but I want to get my own copy. Sent Tabby
a TEN-FOOT long fax today (maybe I should write my own "Mad Fax"
book?). Tried Hollywood Magic about a month ago and they didn't have
it - don't worry, I'll find a copy someplace.
Msg #9823 Dated 23:57:35 04-10-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD - 1 OF 2
Arnaud - here is the description you asked for. I have deliber-
ately left out correct magical descriptions and sources so that
you can hold a "contest" if you wish...
COPPERFIELD XIII
Copperfield XIII began with a series of sensuous tight close-ups
of a lady getting dressed, in semi-Victorian style, as she de-
scribed the mystique of the Orient Express. The close-ups, of
eyes, lips, and other bodily parts, and accessories such as
jewelry, were very well done, using a combination of black and
white and colour.
The show then cut to a misty train station. As people boarded
the train, David arrived on a Harley-Davidson motorcycle. With
an assistant, he covered the Harley and in a few moments we began
to see motion under the drape. He whipped off the drape and the
bike was gone! In its place were two women sitting on suitcases.
At this point the show paused for a series of commercials, most
of them featuring the "magic" of Clorox bleach and several other
household cleaning products.
Following the commercials, the MAGIC!(tm) creme de la creme
began. After being seated at a table in the dining car, David
began to overhand shuffle a deck of Bicycle cards. He then
placed his hand over the deck and when he removed it, they were
in a card case. Re-removing them from the case, he displayed the
fronts to show that they were all different. He then had Jane
Seymour touch a card toward the middle of the deck. He cut to it
and showed it - a four of diamonds. He tore a corner off of it
and told her to hold it in sight of the camera all the time. He
moved a few props from in front of the window and fired the cards
at the window. One stuck, back showing and with a corner miss-
ing, to the window. He asked her to reach for it and she discov-
ered that it was on the OUTSIDE of the window! He opened the
window and peeled the card off. While keeping it in plain sight
between his thumb and forefinger, he turned it over to reveal the
4 of diamonds! He then matched the torn piece to show that it
was the original card.
The scene then cut to a stage show. David led a woman to an open
stand and placed her in it. He placed a wooden bar in front of
her neck and locked it in place. He then placed a box over her
head. He closed the box and picked up a large sword. He used
the sword to completely sever her head! The audience went WILD!
Then he inserted a steel plate under the box. Without touching
the box, presumably using telekinetic powers, he slid the box
around on the stand. The headless woman remained in full view.
Audience went wild again. He picked up the box and carried it
across the stage. He placed it on an open bottom table. He
opened the front of the box and the head smiled and moved.
Across the stage, the woman's body also continued to wave and
move. He closed the cover, restored the head, and released the
woman from the stand. The audience went REALLY WILD.
He then recruited an audience member and, amid considerable by-
play, proceeded to do a series of rope tricks. First he asked
her to cut the rope in the center. Only one rope kept getting
longer. He kept her trimming it until he finally gave up and
restored the rope to its uncut condition. He did a series of
"you do as I do" cut and restored ropes, ending with the removal
of knots tied in the ropes.
Changing costumes in front of the audience, he did a terrific and
very well choreographed water suspension. Then the water was
turned off and he floated the suspended woman around him twice,
culminating with passing a flaming ring around her. This was
truly beautiful to watch.
After that magnificent effect, we had a series of commercials.
Following the commercials, David once again went out into the
audience and selected a volunteer. He had her select a balloon
from a number of balloons. He then had her select a card and
sign it. Placing her card back in the deck, he placed the se-
lected balloon on top, and after quickly bringing his hands to-
gether, the deck was encased in the balloon. He blew up the
balloon and "shuffled" the deck by shaking it. He then reached
through the balloon and pulled her signed card out.
Once again, he went into the audience. This time selecting a
volunteer and remaining surrounded. He floated a tissue paper
ball and then floated it above her hand. He formed the tissue
into a rose and suspended it, moving his hands around it. He
then held it and lit it with a cigarette lighter. It flamed into
a real rose which he handed to the volunteer.
We were then treated to more commercials, mostly for household
cleaning products. (Continued...)
Msg #9824 Dated 23:59:20 04-10-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD - 2 OF 2
David then introduced an effect he called "The Big Black Box."
On stage was a large black box suspended on a platform on wheels.
As he went over to it, the box, apparently made of cloth, bumped
outward in several places. David then removed the top and folded
down the sides to show the box completely empty. The audience
loved it. He then reassembled the box, leaving the front par-
tially open. From the stage he picked up a large cloth and slid
it partially over the box, covering the opening. A small shape
appeared and moved to one side (right) of the stage. The audi-
ence applauded. He repeated the process and a second small shape
appeared and moved to the left side of the stage. The audience
applauded again. He repeated the process a third time and a
small shape moved to the center front of the stage. He then
lowered himself into the box and closed the front and top. The
rightmost shape rose and removed the drape - it was a woman. The
leftmost shape performed in the same manner. The center shape
also removed the drape - but this time it was David himself! The
audience went wild again! He then ran back to the box, turned it
and immediately opened the top and all the sides again - to
reveal three dogs! The audience went crazy!
David then did a Max Maven "Mindgame" in which the audience at
home was directed to place their finger on one of nine boxes on
the screen. Each of the nine boxes had the name of a train car
in it. He instructed the audience to move their finger in any
direction except diagonally. He would then say things like "move
three spaces." Although he never indicated a direction, most
people (except those who got lost or who couldn't follow direc-
tions) ended up pointing to the dining car - the one he would
vanish.
After a few more commercials, we moved to the big scene - 70
people holding hands around an 85 foot (almost 26 metre) long,
140,000 pound (63,503 kg) railroad car. The car was then covered
with a very large drape. After a couple of magical moves by
David, the car levitated and floated around. David then mounted
a platform and pulled off the drape. The railroad car had van-
ished!
As the formerly linked people moved into the now empty space, the
show closed and we had more commercials.
Here is a list of some of the people mentioned in the credits:
Produced by Gregory Sills
Directed by Michael and Dimich & David Kutkin
Written by Seth Kutkin
Magic Consultant: Don Wayne
Choreography: Joan Spina
Illusions designed and constructed by:
David Mendoza
Magicraft
John Gaughan & Associates
Bill Smith
Magic Ventures
Illusion design:
John Gaughan Kevin James
Andre Kole Jan Sankey
Mindgames consultant: Max Maven
Magical Contributors:
Wayne & Sandy Allen Mike Ammar Doug Bennet
Don Bice John Carney Mike Caveney
Mac King Dennis Loomis Bob Stegmiller
Michael Weber David Williamson
Illusion Manager: Tim White
Dancers:
Danielle Burgio Holly Raye
Joan Spina Elaine Wadsworth
Magic Squad:
Gary Bartlett Jeff Schaen
Jon Serio Kyle Stencovage
Pyrotechnics: Chris Wilson
Special Thanks:
Ted Blumberg Jerry Evans Tisna Fine
Jan Gary Patrick Gleason Whit Hayden
Doug Henning Stan Jukubiec Shelly Shadone
Jim Steinmeyer Bill Spann Dan Thoreson
Laurian Justice Ira Katz Steve Kirk
Theater Magic Jonathan Pendragon Patti Person
Albert Rettig Tom Rowland
Msg #9827 Dated 0:15:44 04-11-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC-NL
Just finished a couple of calls to MAGIC-NL in Holland. First call was
nice and clear as a "Bell" (I use AT&T). Second and third calls were noisy and
I called the operator and she said she'd credit my bill. Fourth call
was nice and clear.
I have had problems uploading and downloading files. Will tell Arnaud
about it and see which end it might be on. Otherwise, was able to send
and receive messages just fine.
You may wonder why I called twice - pretty much 'cause I was testing
stuff.
Msg #9831 Dated 2:14:47 04-11-91 -> 9835
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Re: THANX
David,
.
Thanks, thanks, thanks thanks, for uploading the Copperfield report.
This is the way magic BBS's should work, and will proove their
value to the magicial society. Quick, detailed information supply.
Thanks for your support on this matter.
I can already tell you that this summer I will upload daily reports
from the FISM convention in Lausanne Switzerland. Don't know who of
the MAGIC!-US members will be there, but we will also be recognisa-
ble by our MAGIC!-NL buttons (liked the idea...), once we have those
finished I will send you one.
Of course my laptop in Switzerland is also available for any US
member to inform his home-front about the activities. We will upload
this messages to MAGIC!-NL, but I will make sure that with a daily
login, you will see them immediately, so connection time is minimal.
Of course I do not have to possibility to provide you with digitized
photo's. Will send you details when FISM come nearer.
.
If US members are coming to this side of the ocean, please tell to
plan a visit to the MAGIC!-NL offices. We will be most happy to
welcome them, show them the computerfloor, our data entry department,
The board of directors meeting room, etc. etc.
Just let me know if someone comes to Holland, we will take care for
them.
.
I don't know what went wrong with your uploading, locally here in
Holland all works fine.
.
About the MAGNL-01 file, please notice this
file contains a lot of dutch messages, we have mostly dutch member
and do not see the use of talking english among each other.
Once we see, that we get serious participation from other European
countries, we will certainly change over to English in all area's
again. For the moment I allow a mixture. So the bundled file might
not be that readable, except if you can have it translated by Mr.
P. Pit. All english messages we have are uploaded to your system,
or are MAGIC!-US messages that I have imported in the system.
.
See you,
Arnaud.
Msg #9834 Dated 6:02:35 04-11-91 -> 9836
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: COLLECTOR'S WEEKEND
Well I'm off to Chicago for a couple of days for the Magic
Collector's Weekend (please God don't let me spend too much money --
that sure is a funny prayer). Will try to give a full report when I
get back.
Charlie
Msg #9835 Dated 7:18:07 04-11-91 9831 <--> 9854
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: THANX
Arnaud:
Glad to hear that the Copperfield report arrived OK. I will try some
other file transfer options when I get a chance.
I am talking with programming about designing a fast message transfer
system. It will take some time, but we are actively exploring it. I
will keep you informed of our progress, and will look to you for some
suggestions.
Your plans for FISM coverage sound great. I think that some MAGIC!
members are planning to attend and I'm sure that they will want to be
in touch with you. Knowing some of them, you may find them sleeping in
the MAGIC-NL Board of Directors meeting room!
Congratulations on your first 500 messages. I had assumed that many of
them would be in Dutch, but I felt that the file should be available to
MAGIC! members. After all, we are still working on Mr. Pit...
Regards.
Msg #9836 Dated 7:28:42 04-11-91 9834 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: COLLECTOR'S WEEKEND
We're looking forward to your report, Charlie.
Msg #9838 Dated 8:31:04 04-11-91
From: MICHAEL OVERLY
To: ALL
Re: MENTALISM
I have been doing close up for many years now and have recently thought
about learning a few good mentalism routines for impromptu situations.
Can anyone recommend a good book or two on the subject. I am
particularly interested in effects using everyday objects--no stage
effects. Thanks for your help.
Msg #9839 Dated 9:21:51 04-11-91 -> 9844
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SWIMMER'S WAX
At Desert Magic Juan Tamariz held jumbo cards together using something
he called "swimmer's wax." He said it was available in drug stores and
that it was used by swimmers to protect their ears. I haven't found
the product here in the U.S. Does anyone know if it is sold here? Or
what a substitute for it might be?
Msg #9843 Dated 16:53:25 04-11-91 -> 9845
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Thanks for the kind words, but I don't feel qualified
to do a Copperfield review -- partly because I have no
idea how he did several items, including the train
vanish. (Also -- no need! Just read the terrific
review by David Lichtman as I was preparing to upload
this.) Is this BBS "secure" enough to run theories?
The requisite posing and suspected cheating aside (and
I'd like to see the rest of you tackle that part,
especially Mike Caveney's INSIDE MAGIC/OPUS piece
arguing that, since closeup magicians use tables to
cheat the eye, it's OK for television magicians to use
the camera to cheat the eye), I will at least mention
that I enjoyed it, all of it, and I thought the train
vanish was one of David's most interesting "big
finishes" in years. What affected me most deeply,
however, was seeing David's updated versions of Doug
Henning's water levitation and Things That Go Bump in
the Night. These brought back memories of the first
time I saw Doug Henning live, at the Fifth Avenue
Theater in Seattle; his water levitation and fire
hoop, so beautifully staged, gave me chills that night.
I miss Doug's presence on the American magic scene and
hope that the Orlando venture will precipitate his
return.
Msg #9844 Dated 17:21:13 04-11-91 9839 <--> 9873
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: SWIMMER'S WAX
David, I used to share a cubicle with a fellow who couldn't program if
there was any extraneous noise. He used to wear a set of wax earplugs
to keep out the noise. This was a couple of years ago, but I remember
that they were in a box that appeared to be of American manufacture.
Perhaps a local Thrifty or Sav-on might carry them?
I'll keep an eye (or should that be ear?) peeled...
Msg #9845 Dated 17:35:50 04-11-91 9843 <--> 9847
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
OK....nobody gets on that doesn't have a legit need. Ask the sysop.
Msg #9847 Dated 18:15:36 04-11-91 9843 <--> 9855
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Hi Steve....
Again...A lotta people owe a debt to Doug Henning and
what his personality did for magic on television. I attended a
lecture on TM (Houston, Tx 1975) presented by Doug and he invited
me to join him for breakfast afterward - I was there more for the
magic of Doug than the magic of TM - and corresponded with him
fora while afterward. Wish I'd bought some of his stuff when he
offered it up a few back.
Copperfield was masterful the other night and I enjoyed
it more than any of his specials in recent years. I got a call
immed after the program from my studio engineer wanting to know
which card from Max's Mind Games I ended up with. That was the
strongest effect to Dom and his girlfriend whom I heard screaming
in the background "Ask him how he did it" so I gave em Max's
phone number (just kidding Max, though I did rec the Mind Games
vid - if we keep bugging the local video rental down at the feed
store they just might get the idea).
I thought Dr. Lichtman's synopsis of the program was
excellent and appreciate him taking the time to put it all
together.
tabman
Msg #9848 Dated 18:16:29 04-11-91 -> 9857
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MO BS
Where you??
Msg #9849 Dated 18:14:30 04-11-91 9749 <--> 9858
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OPENING DAY
I'm taping Copperfield tonight. Which Vito lecture are you going to?
The one in Concord is only $5, while the following day he is giving the
same lecture in Milpitas for $20! If you want tickets, i suggest
calling our SAM 112 president, Doug Clark, at 415-933-3684, for the
Concord show. Enjoy it. By the way, if you find your way to the Vito
lecture in concord, then you'll be able to find your way to the regular
meeting place! Enjoy your trip, and I hope the road doesn't hit back!
Msg #9850 Dated 18:19:50 04-11-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: MICHEAL DOUGLAS
Next year's SAM national president, Micheal Douglas, is visiting
Berkeley, soon. Any one have any info on this, I'd appreciate it!
Private note to future (hopefully) MAGIC!er: Pete Perata. Have you made
it on yet? This is a great billboard! How are you coming with those
Multiplying Billiard Balls?
Msg #9851 Dated 18:25:14 04-11-91 9822 <--> 9876
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CARD-I-O-GRAMS
Ever hve a GAStro-cardiogram? That's for emergency power loss
situations. They feed you beens and run a hose where the sun don't
shine to power it!
Msg #9854 Dated 18:32:23 04-11-91 9831 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: THANX
It looks like I will be coming to FISM -- I HOPE!!! I want to!!!!
Msg #9855 Dated 18:33:34 04-11-91 9847 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I sure hope my new VCR timer worked! Sounds like I really wanna see
copp!
Msg #9857 Dated 18:34:56 04-11-91 9848 <--> 9902
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO BS
Bill went Boy Scout camping for the weeeeeekend.
Msg #9858 Dated 18:35:36 04-11-91 9849 <--> 9980
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: OPENING DAY
I wanna go to Concord, but am on the road could lyou call and tell em
for me.... appreciate.... laer
Msg #9862 Dated 19:30:11 04-11-91 9675 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOK SPECIALS
Send da dinero and dee music book is yerz. Don' wanna have da same mixup
as with zee coin book. Ya no owes fer dat one. De udder guy gotya offn
de hook remember.
Msg #9864 Dated 19:42:24 04-11-91 9650 <--> 9870
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BENEFIT OFFER
What kind of stuff is in the Goldston Annual? Could you describe the
effects or other info.
Msg #9870 Dated 21:25:48 04-11-91 9864 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: BENEFIT OFFER
Old classic stuff. Illusions, etc. Do not have it here on my road rip
so cannot be specific. That reads "trip" last word line above. bye
Msg #9872 Dated 0:22:05 04-12-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: GIANT ORIENTAL COIN WANTE
I'm looking for an oriental coin for a final load in a routine I'm
working on. A 3 inch one would be perfect. If anyone has one for sale
or know where I can get one, please leave me a message. Thanks.
Msg #9873 Dated 0:47:19 04-12-91 9844 <--> 9882
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: SWIMMER'S WAX
Thanks for the info, Richard. Wax earplugs may indeed be what Juan was
describing. He said that swimmers used them to keep the water out.
Msg #9876 Dated 0:52:23 04-12-91 9851 <--> 9900
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARD-I-O-GRAMS
Right now all gastro brings to mind is FOOD! I is starvin'. I just
got back from the Castle. Went specifically to see Benjamin Garth, but
stayed to watch Scott Cervine (again) and "The Great Tomsoni & Co."
(again) and James Lewis.
Benjamin Garth did a nice Parlour mentalism act. Very impressive to
the audience. He also did a "magic square" of 16 blocks. Had the
audience select a number between 50 and 100 and instantly constructed
a magic square where all the columns added up to the audience number
(87), so did all the rows. When he showed that the diagonals also
added up the audience started to come unglued. Then he showed that the
four corners added up - pandemonium. THEN that the four squares in the
center added up - the house came apart! Nice work.
Scott and Tomsoni were their usual selves. Both are always a pleasure
to watch, even if you've seen 'em enough times to know all the lines.
James Lewis does some VERY NICE work with coins and bills. All pretty
much standard stuff, some Johnson, but VERY WELL DONE. His finale is
a coins thru table routine with a GLASS table. Really gets the
audience crazy.
AND I must have been doing something right - got hit on by two women
and two men! Think I'll wear this suit more often...
Sure wish the Castle served a late supper.
Msg #9882 Dated 7:08:22 04-12-91 9873 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: SWIMMER'S WAX
Try surf board wax. Popular brand is SEX WAX.
Msg #9883 Dated 7:14:47 04-12-91
From: RICK RUHL
To: MELINDA SAXE (X)
Re: HIYA
Hi Melinda, Rikker here. Welcome abord. I know with your busy
schedual, you won't be logging on as much as us computer geeks (re:
David, Tabby, and Pete and Myself).
I found this place to be a great place for discussion etc, and hope you
will find it the same.
Rikker
Msg #9884 Dated 7:16:20 04-12-91 -> 9888
From: RICK RUHL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO
Hi buddy:
I lost your address and need it. I got a copy of the Christmas party
I did and want to send ya a copy of it to look at. I could see how
rusty I was, but still the people enjoyed it.
Things are finally starting to calm down, yet again, so maybe I can
start logging on, on a regular basis again. It's been a couple months
since Ive done a show, but all my extra projects have been bringing in
extra dough, so I have to get my prioirtyes straight (magic then money,
right?)
Talk to you soon.
Rikker
Msg #9885 Dated 7:21:51 04-12-91 -> 9908
From: RICK RUHL
To: SYSOP
Re: COPPERFIELD REVIEW
That was a good review of Copperfields special. Most of the Theater
shots were of his live show in Tampa (which he also did in Atlanta).
Best, I think was his floating tissue paper, seeing it live and then
with a diffrent angle due to the camera, it seems to be an EXCPTIONAL
close up trick.
Take care, talk soon.
Rikker
Msg #9887 Dated 7:25:00 04-12-91 -> 9932
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISH STUFF
Are you suffering from 'lackofdishwatchingitiuts' yet?
Rikker ;)
Msg #9888 Dated 7:25:31 04-12-91 9884 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: VIDEO
Box 590, Charlotte Hall, MD 20622
Msg #9889 Dated 11:01:47 04-12-91 9723 <--> 9917
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: OUR MAGIC GOVERNMENT
I believe the IBM and SAM agreed on a joint effort lobbying for
Houdini.
Msg #9890 Dated 11:03:02 04-12-91 9724 <--> 9891
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
I think the Marlo line noise move uses the pinky while others use the
other fingers...
Msg #9891 Dated 11:03:41 04-12-91 9725 <--> 9892
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
OK...but where is your receipe??? The other guy backs up his claims of
greatness with a FAXed receipe on the same day!!
Msg #9892 Dated 11:05:37 04-12-91 9735 <--> 9909
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: REGIONAL MAGIC
Regional magic may have been more important in the old
days...particularly since I would suspect the magicians would have been
more protective of their knowledge and not excited about the creation
of competitors....I was thinking more contemporily.
Msg #9893 Dated 11:07:43 04-12-91 9726 <--> 9894
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ANY DUTCH IN VEGAS??
I guess we thought it meant dutch ovens...
Msg #9894 Dated 11:08:30 04-12-91 9736 <--> 9910
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC/TRAINS/PEANUTS
Boiling peanuts are probably totally unknown to most users here...I
think they only exist in little roadside stands in North and South
Carolina. Maybe that IS why Tabman and I call the WEST!
Modeling is of great importance to magic in that it so forcefully
teaches a concept which has great application to magic...
The sum of the parts IS GREATER than the whole! or maybe I should
say the WHOLE looks a lot better and bigger than the sum of the
parts...mmm....the real point here is that great attention to detail
conveys an illusion even when the individual details cannot be seen.
Gadzooks! What I am trying to say is that it goes beyond just
technique!
Msg #9895 Dated 11:13:36 04-12-91 9727 <--> 9938
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
I told you I avoid mentalism. That includes mind reading as well.
What are you talking about???
Msg #9897 Dated 11:15:55 04-12-91 9729 <--> 9940
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM/UBM
Some messages don't deserve a response.
Msg #9898 Dated 11:17:19 04-12-91 9733 <--> 9899
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ANY BBQ IN HOLLAND
Gadzooks! I didn't realize you had been operating at 300 baud...you
won't believe the difference with 2400...and it should impact your
phone bill benetifically as well.
I am in your debt for the secrets of Gloria's Famous Brunswick Stew...I
almost ran out and got the fixin's on the spot but my wife reminded me
that 10 kids were on the way for one of the boys overnight birthday
party and they might not want to await the cooking of even Gloria's
Stew. But rest assured that I will try it soon!
The Virginian Railroad had electrics to pull the coal out of West
Virginia into Virginia...probably a lot bigger than the Sumter one. I
know your regret in not still having that car. I only wish I had the
place and money for a caboose. I probably understand why they put on
a lot of pig in the Jaw-Ja bar-b-ques....do yall call 'em pig pickin's
like they do in western NC? (I grew up in the Virginia mountains).
I think I am about a message behind on getting back to you so this one
might have parts of yours of 9630 dated 14:13:19...
Don't worry I wouldn't let Gracia get near Gloria's recipe! I have
already locked it in the file cabinet along with the Charlie Miller
notebook and other materials.
The Biro one should find something in that list of organisms which with
to keep company of some sort. I am sure that between the Crabb and
Wells spreads, he will be kept busy.
I should have known that you had put together at least one railroad.
Your head is just put together too right not to have done so. (only a
model railroader will understand that...I think)
Been very busy the last couple of days...will try to get here on a more
regular basis......
Msg #9899 Dated 11:29:32 04-12-91 9739 <--> 9911
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC IN BRUNSWICK
...want a xerox copy?? heh...heh...heh
Msg #9900 Dated 11:31:26 04-12-91 9751 <--> 9901
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I agree. One of his best. Some old stuff but everything done very
well.
Msg #9901 Dated 11:33:14 04-12-91 9792 <--> 9930
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
The credit to Henning was probably because of the water
suspension...which performed on one of his specials some years ago.
Msg #9902 Dated 11:40:56 04-12-91 9848 <--> 9903
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO BS
Sorry...I'm here...just busy with getting taxes done, kid's birthday
party, coaching AA baseball, and sleeping when I get a chance....should
calm down in a few years!
Msg #9903 Dated 11:42:16 04-12-91 9857 <--> 9943
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO BS
That is tomorrow! Actually over in Tabman's side of the river...near
Patuxent (sp?) park or someplace.
Msg #9905 Dated 12:03:22 04-12-91 -> 10169
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: WHAT YOU SED
Lexington Park?? maybe. St. Mary's County?? I'm an old (too old) Boy
Scout myself. Patrol leader Indian Patrol, Troop 21, Americus GA.
Chehaw Council, OA.....takes all kinds I guess. Kids are great. Mine
are 20++ now. Enjoy. Gimme a call if you come by this way and gotta
minit (won't hold my breath and don't worry bout it) 301-884-8484.
Later.
Msg #9906 Dated 12:10:02 04-12-91 -> 9912
From: T A WATERS
To: ALL
Re: ERDNASE BOOK
For those of you interested in getting a copy of THE MAN WHO WAS
ERDNASE by Busby and Whaley, you might want to know that Hollywood
Magic has dropped the price on it 25 per cent -- it is now $29.95.
Msg #9908 Dated 16:18:30 04-12-91 9885 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD REVIEW
Thanks for the kind words about the review. Yeah, that tissue paper
routine was definitely EXCEPTIONAL.
Msg #9909 Dated 16:20:31 04-12-91 9892 <--> 9934
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: REGIONAL MAGIC
Ah, well, contemporary requirements are for fast magic. Together with
fast food it makes for fast dinner theater. Torn and restored french
fry is all the rage.
By the way, I hear that the MAGIC! session at IBM in Baltimore is
scheduled for 11:15 p.m. on the 30th. Is that the best hour at which
to showcase MAGIC!? To keep 'em going am I gonna have to make doves
fly out of the overhead projector? Your suggestions would be
appreciated.
Msg #9910 Dated 16:24:19 04-12-91 9894 <--> 9936
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC/TRAINS/PEANUTS
Yeah! You gotta wear the right threads too! (citation to literature:
Finn Jon). Seriously - I agree. Someone said it on here before - the
magician is an actor playing the magician.
Msg #9911 Dated 16:29:15 04-12-91 9899 <--> 9941
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC IN BRUNSWICK
No, thanks, I've done contract work for Xerox. Perhaps an "electronic
photo reproduction"? Anyway, I got it FAXED to me by an anonymous
donor.
You know, we really need to get back on target - how about someone
posting a new effect/trick or two? Else MAGIC-20 is gonna confuse the
Heck out of scholars.
Msg #9912 Dated 16:32:46 04-12-91 9906 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ERDNASE BOOK
Thanks for the info, T A. It is a very interesting and very well
researched book. I'm about 1/2 way through and really enjoying it.
Msg #9914 Dated 16:34:09 04-12-91 -> 9915
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CARD ON WINDOW
How about some speculations on the method Copperfield chose to employ
for this famous MAGIC! effect?
Msg #9915 Dated 18:04:07 04-12-91 9914 <--> 9919
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CARD ON WINDOW
Well,
Yes, I for one have been trying to figure out exactly how
the card on train window effect was done. I guess before
speculating I'll haveta go back and review the tape. Pete Biro
hasn't seen the tape yet and is in the dark as to the
presentation, but I speculate he'll have an answer or two for us.
When he "shot" the cards at the glass I excected the old magi wax
stickum was gonna happen, so when I saw the reflection I was very
happy (thrilled) to see what he had done.
Been thinking about calling Bill Smith all day and
interviewing him as to his Magic Ventures of Long Beach
contribution to the special. Michael Ammar's and Max Maven's work
was obvious to me as well as Andre Kole's. I'm not sure which
effect Bill built (else why the call). As far as the Asrah, well,
you know. Would suspect John Gaughan built the "things go bump"
and hope Max or TA sets me straight on this.
Beautiful finish for the string work with the flash
covering the production. I thought the camera work was excellent
and the control-room director should be commended for the
closeups of the close-up.
Msg #9916 Dated 18:40:28 04-12-91 -> 10176
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC
Wellsa,
I personally think that anything involving magicians has
to do with magic. Its all in the mind anyway. As far as Ga boiled
peanuts are concerned, just let me refer you to the civil war
song "Goober Peas" - which any son of the south knows are boiled
peanuts. There, I've sed it and I feel better.
What does model making have to do with magic? Well,
nothing if all magic was is cards, and I suspect that a playing
card is just a model of the real thing. Twood take a superb model
maker to make the die that makes a coin or a thimble. What is a
hand turned ball and vase but a model?
When I age walnut and mahogany, I call on skills I
learned partially from model railroading. The amateurish attempts
at antiquing I see from housewives at the craft shows where I
sometimes go to look around compared to the work that the skilled
artisans at the Smithsonian Institute ply makes me wonder who is
right. I decided to build in earnest because I saw nice folks
buying crappy woodwork from another nice guy who probably didn't
know any better himself. I felt bad for them as they proudly
showed me their prizes and all I could see was sloppy joinery and
hasty finish. A young man about the age of my oldest boy (23)
bought two wands from a schlock woodworker and I wanted to cry
for him wasting his money but I bit my lip. Charlie Randall
doesn't know it, but something he said to me on his first visit
made me take the final step and commit to getting some of my
stuff out there.
Speaking of Charlie, he called me this morning from
Chicage at The Magic Collectors Weekend to see if I wanted him to
pick up a book I'd been looking for. Man, how can life be any
better when you've got friends looking out for you just like the
Texas Rangers. Robert Parrish is there with him too. Parrish is
one of my most read and remembered magic writers. His gentle
style and his privileged association with Theo. Bamberg and
others make him a giant. Also there is Byron Walker and Jim
Steinmeyer plus many others, but Charlie promised to tell us all
about it when he gets home and back online.
My mother's from Lexington, VA where my granddad was on
the faculty of VMI. I'm now living in his house in Charlotte Hall
because he was too honorable to turn down a job offer at CHMA
(est 1774) after they met all his requirements. He died in here,
but I don't plan to. Til then, I haunt my shop, talk on the
phone, janitor the studio and check with my friends here online.
What's that got to do with magic? Everything.
Popo ahalalua,
Flash Gooberman
Msg #9917 Dated 19:03:43 04-12-91 9889 <--> 9933
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OUR MAGIC GOVERNMENT
What's the current status of the effort, Bill?
Msg #9918 Dated 19:17:23 04-12-91 -> 9920
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: LONG DISTANCE
This new MCI long caller service is great. 0.13 a minit. Can't wait til
my new 2400 baud modem getz here. Then I'll really be Flash Gooberman.
Msg #9919 Dated 20:10:40 04-12-91 9915 <--> 9922
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CARD ON WINDOW
Up front when he said there was an effect he'd always wanted to do, but
that needed a moving train, I KNEW where the card was gonna go. I've
done a couple of stops of the tape, but can't discern that part.
Yes, camera and technical director should get cheers for good work. If
you do call Bill Smith, it will be interesting.
Msg #9920 Dated 20:14:38 04-12-91 9918 <--> 9925
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LONG DISTANCE
Just for the record, I rung in the Goobers a couple of messages back...
Wanna tell us about the new MCI plan, how it works, what hours, etc.?
Msg #9922 Dated 20:27:18 04-12-91 9914 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CARD ON WINDOW
Well.....How bout this for a wild guess.---Since this was a one time
only stunt extensive set up could have been done. THe card could
havebeen threaded through with elastic invisible thread and mounted
below the window on the outside of the train. I don't kow who or how it
was released but that would have made it spring into just the right
position. I also noticed that the card had to be "peeled" from the
surface of the glass. Perhaps that was spray adhesive to keep it in
place after it got to the glass. Another possibility was that the card
was mounted outside on some kind of "arm" either wire or clear plastic
that pivoted it up into position. I liked the effect but guess he
didn't use the card in airplane window method devised here last fall as
the shade was not ever drawn on the window. these are just wild guesses
on my part. Anyone "in the know" want to respond and tell me if I'm
close?
Msg #9925 Dated 20:37:57 04-12-91 9920 <--> 9947
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: LONG DISTANCE
Well, all I know is that I got this card in the mail - as an MCI
user already that offered me a chance to get in on this plan
(call america or something like that). The first hour is 8 bux
and around 6 bux an hour thereafter. Time on line with a 1 min
min. Rub is only these rates after 5pm and before 8am, but I just
got my bill and on several times times a day for short burst is
cheaper than one 5 or 6 min call. A minit at high noon was.13 and
2 min .34 4 min .86 so if I keep it at under 60 sec its nothing.
Get it. Remember AT&T gave me the idea in their commercials where
they said the cheap rates on MCI were only good for short one
minit calls and who makes a one minit call these days? I do now.
Thanks AT&T.
Msg #9927 Dated 20:57:36 04-12-91 -> 9945
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: BUZZ
Does anyone have a copy of the article Ricky Jay wrote
on Dai Vernon in BUZZ? And what kind of magazine is
BUZZ, anyway? I'd love to obtain a xerox.
Msg #9929 Dated 21:28:51 04-12-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
I agree that this was one of his better shows. Regarding credits - I
wonder why Shigeo Takagi was not mentioned ? David did the exact routine
Takagi has on his rope video - the only difference was the dialogue was
in Japanese with english dubbed in ! Any ideas ??
Burton the Bizzare
Msg #9930 Dated 21:37:23 04-12-91 9876 <--> 9931
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CARD-I-O-GRAMS
I just got to Phoenix and had Baby Back ribs. Not bad, bu the finger
bowl water was the best tastin' part of the meal!
Msg #9931 Dated 21:38:01 04-12-91 9900 <--> 9950
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
If my VCR worked I will let you know if I agree.
Msg #9932 Dated 21:39:04 04-12-91 9887 <--> 9951
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: DISH STUFF
You bet your sweet Wazooo... Altho today I spent a lot of time in Long
Beach checking out a new KODAK still computer disk camera... they is
going to let me use on at the Indy 500. Killer item. Also the Sony
Still Video guys much made me the same offer. So Techie land here I
comez! Hah, you should see the article in the Long Beach paper taht
called me "legendary" among the auto racing cogniscenti (maybe I can
spell)... mo' later bro's....
Msg #9933 Dated 21:41:05 04-12-91 9889 <--> 10177
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OUR MAGIC GOVERNMENT
Did they Lobby to let him rest? In his grave along with Andrews?
Msg #9934 Dated 21:41:50 04-12-91 9891 <--> 9935
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OREO AUDITIONS
Faxes is olde fashoned.
Msg #9935 Dated 21:42:06 04-12-91 9892 <--> 10170
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: REGIONAL MAGIC
At Davenorts Magic shop in London... they used to know where Lewis
Davenport was touring by the location of orders they received in
themail for the Mutilated parasol!
Msg #9936 Dated 21:43:14 04-12-91 9893 <--> 9937
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ANY DUTCH IN VEGAS??
Dutch Treat!
Msg #9937 Dated 21:43:49 04-12-91 9894 <--> 10172
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC/TRAINS/PEANUTS
My boiled Goobers came from a town that was just sold to some flaky
lady movie actress.... Braselton, Georgia.
Msg #9938 Dated 21:44:39 04-12-91 9895 <--> 10180
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BRUCE RUDOLPH
Read my lips!
Msg #9940 Dated 21:45:49 04-12-91 9897 <--> 9961
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FISM/UBM
OK
Msg #9941 Dated 21:46:30 04-12-91 9899 <--> 9942
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC IN BRUNSWICK
TSK TSK TSK...
Msg #9942 Dated 21:46:56 04-12-91 9911 <--> 9952
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: MAGIC IN BRUNSWICK
Place a coin into your left hand.. in a false appearing manner. Ask the
spectator "Which Hand is it IN?" Spectator guesses correctly. You open
hand show coin as other hand goes to pocket brings out piece of chalkl
CHALK... and makes a large mark on spectator's dark blue lapel!!!! And
you say, "That's ONE!"
Msg #9943 Dated 21:49:02 04-12-91 9903 <--> 10182
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MO BS
My previous message, to all on this BBS is one of the strongest bits of
business in my PRO REPERTOIRE. IF YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT "GOODBYE"
Msg #9945 Dated 21:53:31 04-12-91 9927 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: BUZZ
It is a new mag published inthe LA area only. Maybe someone online can
hit the big newsstands and buy up a supply!!!
Msg #9946 Dated 21:54:19 04-12-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: BATTERY LIFE
Been online here in phoenix Ariz... and my battery warning light jst
hit. So am in rush. got to get some sleep and so forth. Will be gettin
on and hittin ya with some good mojonext weeeeeeeek.... g'nite....
Msg #9947 Dated 22:24:31 04-12-91 9925 <--> 9960
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LONG DISTANCE
OK, thanks for the info, Tabman. There is also supposed to be some
kind of rate for frequently called numbers that someone (MCI? AT&T?)
has set up. If you call the same number a lot, they discount it.
Msg #9950 Dated 22:36:54 04-12-91 9930 <--> 10022
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARD-I-O-GRAMS
The finger bowl probably tasted best 'cause you'd just greased your car
before supper.
Phoenix/Scotsdale can be a very nice place if you are relaxin'. It can
be miserable if you are workin'. Check out the Phoenician (spelling?)
Resort while you are there. Would make a nice site for a MAGIC!
Advisory Board meeting - $25-million dollar art collection, seven
swimming pools - the largest tiled entirely in mother-of-pearl, etc.
And entirely funded with money from Lincoln Savings (or one of the
others).
Msg #9951 Dated 22:40:55 04-12-91 9932 <--> 10023
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISH STUFF
Did Kodak let you see that spiffy new photo-CD system? The 4-million
pixel per image one? Should have used it for the Desert Magic photos
- only folks would STILL be downloading the first one!
Didn't know you was doin' disc stuff. Any chance you will have a
loaner for IBM? We might could interface it for the digital image
capture stuff - assuming people liked the Desert Magic images (hardly
anyone said "Boo" about 'em) and assuming I'm willin' to haul the
400-lbs of gear to Baltimore.
Msg #9952 Dated 22:46:16 04-12-91 9942 <--> 10175
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC IN BRUNSWICK
Uh, yeah. That's right up there with putting a cigarette out in the
spectator's jacket and forgetting to use a thumb tip.
There was an interesting effect someone was doing with using a scissors
to cut thru the center seam of a borrowed jacket - the jacket was
covered (from the spectator's point of view) with a sheet of paper and
the scissors was seen to pierce completely thru the jacket and the
paper. The cut was then made and the jacket was "magically restored"
before it was revealed.
Msg #9959 Dated 1:26:49 04-13-91 -> 9963
From: RICHARD HART
To: ALL
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
I don't know how he did it. Like everyone else, I have my suspicions.
I don't care how the card GOT on the window.
(or should that be, got STUCK on the window...)
What does grab my attention though, is the idea that the card that
appeared on the window was NOT the mate of the torn corner held so
carefully in view throughout the presentation. The question is, is it
possible to tear/cut a corner off a card, and have it closely match
another? I've watched the tape several times now, and I what I see is
David placing the card into the deck and NOT stealing it out (diagonal
palm shift or side steal or top palm or anything). He just puts the
card into the deck, and springs the deck at the window. Didn't see the
corner switched either. The only thing left, is that somehow it is
possible to tear a duplicate corner off a card.
I will be experimenting with this technique, and will post my results.
(Unless, that is, I've overlooked an already published chestnut, but if
that be the case, I'm sure someone out there will bang me over the head
with it...)
Msg #9960 Dated 7:30:35 04-13-91 9947 <--> 9964
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: LONG DISTANCE
The key with MCI at least is to keep the transmission time at 60 sec or
less.
Msg #9963 Dated 9:45:38 04-13-91 9959 <--> 9970
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
HINT: Back up the tape further and watch the selection method
carefully too! It was a gem.
Msg #9964 Dated 9:46:29 04-13-91 9960 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LONG DISTANCE
Interesting! They used to charge MORE for the first minute!
Msg #9967 Dated 9:56:12 04-13-91 -> 9976
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: DMS
Now that the Desert magic Seminar has passed and I've had
time to let it all soak in I'd like to make a comment about some
of the things that struck me as good about the event. Granted, I
guess you could find some bad stuff, but you find bad everywhere
so when you run into good head on maybe it makes you appreciate
it more.
I can still feel the relaxed and friendly manner in which
Joe Stevens greeted me, a stranger to him except by telephone.
Everyone working his and the other dealer booths treated me
warmly whether I bought anything or not. I didn't partake in the
sandwich bar but it was thoughtful. The layout of the event was
convenient. Getting back and forth between three rooms was easy
and nobody minded the random coming and going from the events and
lectures. Was impressed with the obvious thoughtfulness extended
to the older magi present, especially the elderly. No uptight
people bothering me. Good security. The rapport of MAGIC! members
meeting for the first time. Good staging except for putting one
of the speaker's table and chair in the darkness unless he wanted
it that way, then cooool, but I digress and I think he was smart
enuf to know if he was in the dark or not. Plus, the board of
directors were kind enough to share their coffee with us in the
mornings. A model event.
Msg #9970 Dated 10:52:09 04-13-91 9959 <--> 9971
From: EVAN KATZ
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
I can't claim this observation as original to me, but didn't that
corner tear off that card awful easy? Have you, in fact, EVER torn a
corner off a card that easily? Hmph. Me thinks the card was
pre-scored to match the dupe.
Watcha think?
Msg #9971 Dated 13:37:12 04-13-91 9970 <--> 9973
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
Yeah, he looked awful strong right then. I've got to put my knee on a
card to tear it. Will go back and look at tape.
Msg #9972 Dated 13:38:08 04-13-91 -> 10034
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: VIDEO TAPE RENTAL
Don't know if this concerns any of you but a guy was by the shop a
while ago and told me some of the locals rent magic vids from Videonics
in New Foundland and dupe them to flesh out their libraries. Guy
charges about 30 bucks to rent a tape for a month and all these guys
split the cost up and dupe em. Oh well.
Msg #9973 Dated 14:32:01 04-13-91 9963 <--> 9974
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
I saw that. Interesting handling. Hmm.
Msg #9974 Dated 14:33:29 04-13-91 9970 <--> 9978
From: RICHARD HART
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
Pre-scored (yes it DID "tear" awfully easy) or pre-torn?
Msg #9976 Dated 15:41:16 04-13-91 9967 <--> 9977
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DMS
I couldn't agree more. I particuliarly like the idea of the attendees
voting for the best act, it makes you feel more like you are a true
participant. I didn't make last year at the Mirage, but I heard the
format wasn't as enjoyable. I was ther 2 years ago (my first) and plan
to make it an annual event. You might also consider coming in Dec to
the Closeup Conjuring Conclave. Last year was the first and it was
really good, if you are more into closeup than stage. It is a much more
intimate affair than the seminar - limited to 100 attendees.
Gino will be setting it up this year, probably in November and needs
support form the attendees so he can get a good venue. I strongly
recommend this event if you like close-up. I got a chance to get
personal instruction from Tagaki (what a nice man he was) and meet some
really nice people.
Regards, Burton the Bizzare
Msg #9977 Dated 16:55:21 04-13-91 9976 <--> 10035
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS
If Geno is putting it on, I'll do my best to be there. Vegas is a good
town anyhow and I like the 21 games there.
Msg #9978 Dated 17:26:56 04-13-91 9974 <--> 9981
From: EVAN KATZ
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
Pre-torn would be awfully hard to hide -- that was a pretty close shot.
I'll look at tape again.
Msg #9979 Dated 20:34:06 04-13-91 -> 10036
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: ROCKY MT MAGIC
Just spent the past coupla hours watching Doc Eason's
Rocky Mt. Magic Video with Gloria. I've seen Doc Eason work but
this is the first time I've had a chance to watch the video and
he pulls it off in spades. His personality comes through and I
still say that Doc Eason does the best looking bill in lemon
going.
The vid is performance only for patrons at The Temple
Magic Bar in Aspen where Doc works most of the time. The man
knows how to work a bar. See it if you get a chance to see a real
live magician working for real live people. His ability to pull a
hundred bux outa his patrons is classic as is his version of the
card on ceiling. Michael Ammar must be proud and is credited as
one of the magic advisors when the credits roll. Some nice shots
of the Aspen area during the intro too.
Msg #9980 Dated 21:12:05 04-13-91 9858 <--> 10037
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OPENING DAY
Ok, I don't know if they can hold tickets. I'm thinking about going to
the lecture, too.
Msg #9981 Dated 21:44:22 04-13-91 9978 <--> 9984
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
Personally, I DON'T think the card was pre-torn OR pre-scored. I think
he really tore it right there, live, in front of us (it ain't that
hard). BUT I'm certain that what he tore and what she got were NOT the
same. Think on it, gentlemen.
Msg #9983 Dated 23:30:20 04-13-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW FILE
Don Sandros has uploaded a new program to the files area. As it is one
I am familiar with, and use, let me take a few moments to describe it
to you.
TeleMagic is a sophisticated marketing/contact-management program that
Don has adapted for use by working professional magicians. It
maintains a database of your marketing calls, prompts you to perform
recalls, etc. The README.DOC file that comes with it includes
recommendations by folks like Doc Eason.
This is NOT a program that has ANYTHING to do with performing magic or
keeping track of effects (Like Randy Lund's MAGIC2DB). This program is
for those who are actively marketing their services and who make lots
of contact phone calls. As I mentioned, it happens that I use the same
program myself.
The version that Don has uploaded is a DEMONSTRATION version. It
allows you to view the functions that TeleMagic performs and to
determine if the full version - which you can then purchase from Don -
would be useful to you.
Downloading and installing this program is NOT for the faint of heart!
There are two files to download:
TMAGIC1.EXE and TMAGIC2.EXE
Each is over 200,000 bytes in size. Once you have both, you install
them by:
o Creating a new subdirectory on your hard disk
(Example: TMAGIC)
o Changing directories to enter the new subdirectory
(Example: CD\TMAGIC)
o Copying the files into this subdirectory
o Running TMAGIC1 and then TMAGIC2
The above steps will create the program. You can then run it by typing
MAGIC
Since this program requires a file transfer of almost 500,000 bytes,
I'm sure that Don would also be willing to send a copy by mail if you
contacted him via private message here on MAGIC!
This sample version will allow you to examine the program by entering
about 20 records. If you decide you like it, you have to contact Don
to purchase the real full-size copy.
Msg #9984 Dated 1:10:24 04-14-91 9981 <--> 9985
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
Aw gee, that would take all the fun out of it! Lemme ponder ways for
tearing a chunk out of a card and have it match a previously torn card.
That'll keep me busy enough not to bid against myself for the Goldston
Annual, heh heh.
I have discovered a couple of interesting things on the torn card
front. One, it IS possible to tear corners off of cards that match
each other if, the cards are held together very closely, and the tears
are made a small distance at a time. Also interesting is the fact that
(at least with Bicycle cards) if the tear is made from the FACE of the
card to the back, the face surface will be clean, and the back of the
card will be, uh, feathered. This leaves enough of a surface to put
tiny dots of superglue to hold the torn corner in place. I will be
testing various methods and types of stickums to see what will cover
the tear from the front, and still allow pseudo-tearing without leaving
much (if any) noticible residue.
Msg #9985 Dated 1:19:53 04-14-91 9984 <--> 9986
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
Speaking of the GOLDSTON ANNUAL (1909-1910) auction -- members should
remember that they ONLY have until 11:59 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time on
APRIL 15th to get their bid in. Else, Richard will get it for a mere
$35...
Msg #9986 Dated 1:21:39 04-14-91 9985 <--> 9987
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
I can only hope the other's coffers will be _drained_ on April 15th.
Luckily for me, I appear to be getting money BACK! (vigorous knocking
on wood here...)
Msg #9987 Dated 9:26:13 04-14-91 9986 <--> 9989
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
My theory on the tearing of the card is that it tore so easily because
it was one of those 99-cent Bicycle decks from Sav-On! Just
think...all that money in the production budget and David's gotta cut
corners on card quality!
Harumph!
Msg #9988 Dated 9:44:43 04-14-91 -> 10016
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: JAMES LEWIS AT THE CASTLE
James Lewis does some of the most baffling coin effects I have ever had
the pleasure of seeing. I didn't get a chance to talk to him but I was
wondering, are those effects or handlings original with him? Larry
Jennings was in the audience and was leaning so far forward so as not
to miss a thing that he nearly fell out of his chair! It really was
the closest thing to real magic I have seen in the close up room.
Msg #9989 Dated 11:42:26 04-14-91 9981 <--> 9990
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
Okay, he could have switched the CORNER -- and then it wouldn't have
mattered whether or not the cards were close. I'll examine the tape
for a corner switch, but you should do the same -- that card just tears
too easy!
Msg #9990 Dated 11:43:46 04-14-91 9984 <--> 10001
From: EVAN KATZ
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
That corner matched EXACTLY. No, I think it was either pre-scored or
there was a switch. I favor the pre-scored idea because that corner
tore off that card like a subscription mailer out of a magazine!
Msg #9991 Dated 11:57:10 04-14-91 -> 9992
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: ALL
Re: ANY HELP?
Can someone tell me who has been featured in the last three issues
in Genii? How about info. on anyone that has old magic magazines for
sale? And lastly where can I find a packet trick by Nick Trost called
"trick Cards",any info would be appreciated.
Msg #9992 Dated 13:02:54 04-14-91 9991 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: ANY HELP?
Ramon Galindo, Stewart James and Randy Wakeman. Try Hank Lee as he
keeps most stuff in stock.
Msg #9993 Dated 14:52:03 04-14-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: COLLECTORS' WEEKEND
Just back from Collectors' Weekend. It was great. I bought a few
treasures (well, I hope they're treasures). Some really neat people
were there. Anyway, I'll give a full report in the next day or two.
Charlie
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