MAGIC! - 23
The following was compiled from the magician's message section of
MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! was an electronic communications system for
magicians. Access was free, except for normal telephone company
charges. New registrants were required to leave a comment with
their name, address, phone number and a brief resume of their magic
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should be treated as confidentially as other magic information.
Copyright 1991, 1997 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved.
Keen insight into the mind of a truly great performer can be
gained from reading Tommy Wonder's message regarding Zombie Balls
(# 1347, relayed from the Netherlands via MAGIC-NL).
This volume includes a number of recommendations for magic for
young performers, including Pete Biro's version of Stab a Deck
(# 1006), Richard Hart's double deal with queens (# 1028),
Michael Ammar's Disguised Aces (# 1038), David Lichtman's
suggestions for non-card tricks along with some recommended
books and videos (# 1039), Max Maven's suggestions for children's
tricks (# 1051), and Richard Hart's book and trick suggestions
(# 1054). David Lichtman describes some toy store props in # 1187.
In message # 1584, Pete Biro traces the publication of ring tricks
(linking rings, ring from cheek to stick) back to 1584 and Scot's
Discovery of Witchcraft. In the later parts of the file, there is
a very active discussion concerning the inclusion of escapology and
mentalism in magic. And, in message # 1487, Stan Lake begins a
discussion of the Elmsley Count.
Tabby Crabb's on-the-scene reports on FFFF begin with message # 1083.
MAGIC-NL (Netherlands) provides two more of the historic letters from
Pete Biro to Fred Kaps (# 1243 and 1244). Reviews of Vito Lupo's
lecture at the Magic Castle, and a resulting discussion of the role
of preparation begin at message # 1261. Some hints on getting
quality promotional pictures start with message # 1036. Steve Kucera
begins a thread on humor in different cultures in message # 1091.
David VanVranken provides the last word on Copperfield's Card on Train
Window in message # 1098, complete with a photo in the files
(T_WINDOW.PCX). Scott Cram suggests the idea of magic trading cards
(# 1017). A series of questions and answers about Houdini spreads
throughout the set of messages, involving Houdini expert Manny Weltman.
The conversation on the quality of magic books, began in MAGIC-22,
continues with Bill Wells message, # 1387.
There is, of course, the usual MAGIC! gossip, chit-chat and banter.
Msg #1000 Dated 17:49:19 04-25-91 -> 1001
From: PETE BIRO
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: HELP FAST
Many thanks! I needed that.
Msg #1001 Dated 17:49:40 04-25-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP FAST
Thanks Marvin... am trying to reach 'em to see if they have a vid.
Msg #1004 Dated 17:54:26 04-25-91 -> 1031
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
I know... I had a dozen PRO photogs at my wedding and a couple of them
said they would cover it. Only pix we got were from her brother...
snaps at best. So we went into a studio couple of months later and had
portraits done. Oh well, it didn't last anyway...
Msg #1005 Dated 17:56:14 04-25-91 -> 1006
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP
Will brainstorm and be back
Msg #1006 Dated 17:56:51 04-25-91 -> 1007
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP
Ok, here you go. EASY... get a rough/smooth svengali (or regular one,
don't matter) but make sure it is a bicycle not the usual gaffed
brands. Have the card taken by DRIBBLING not riffling the end like all
svengali pitchmen do. You dribbled cards into a pile, asking someong to
say stop.... At stop, they look at force card, put right back.
Have here say... "I will not shuffle the cards, as I have memorized the
position in the deck" drop rest of cards on top. Have someone else
carefuly square deck, she keeps peeking at side saying, "I am keeping
my eye on the card!" Then she says "To make it difficult, would you
take one of the castle paper place mats and wrap the deck... that way
I can't see your card" She picks up a knife and stabs, carefully into
the side, saying "I still know abouat where the card is, lets se ehow
close I came" Maybe you step in and open th epackage at the knife and
show the knife is next to the chosen card.
During applause, etc. yoiu put the pieces away, paper aside, etc. and
put the deck in your pocket DONT MAKE A MOVE OF IT but without saying
anything bring it (switch for non gaffed deck) back out and just set
aside. Let it lay.
Msg #1007 Dated 17:59:58 04-25-91 -> 1009
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MICHAEL OVERLY (X)
Re: HELP
You must be joking. First of all, I doubt there exists a decent
Cannibal Card routine that is remotely within the capability of a
seven-year-old. More importantly, why on earth would you want to put
card magic of that level of sophistication into the hands of a child?
What would such a performance indicate about the work of an adult card
performer? There is no shortage of beginners material in print -- most
easily found in books specifically designed for the young amateur.
Lin Searles must be spinning in his grave.
Msg #1008 Dated 18:02:28 04-25-91 -> 1096
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LUNCH W/MOJO FOLKS...
Met some new magi, but they don't have modems.... Was at Lisa Menna's
for lunch and others were: Dick Newton, long time close up worker, and
Jeffrey Korst, who performs while Ice Skating. Had along run in Japan
and has been here for awhile, originally from Lockport, Illinois.
We heard this insane noise outside, Lisa looked out and said, "Hey look
guys, they're repaving the street... I gotta run down and put TWO
DIAMONDS in the wet tar...." She did.
If one of guys did that the construction workers would have tossed us
into the melting tar... but they "helped" her implant two large fake
diamonds in the street. Great. When she came back up she said, "Well I
guess I gotta use the 2 of Diamonds as my force card!"
Her previous residence had a card carved into the wet cement of the
sidewalk! A full time Magicienne, she is.
She's booked to work New York, then will visit the IBM and zip over to
the FISM this summer!
Hey, and the food was good too!
Msg #1009 Dated 18:14:21 04-25-91 1007 <--> 1013
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HELP
Max: Would appreciate the name of a couple good books for the
beginner. Thanks.
Msg #1010 Dated 18:13:24 04-25-91 -> 1040
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
Geez! TV Magic Decks? I remember those from when I was about 7-8. Ahhh,
Memories! Glad I could inspire you. Let MAGIC! magi know if, er, uh,
when you become a magician again! (ha, ha). Thanks for putting up this
BBS!
Msg #1011 Dated 18:16:21 04-25-91 -> 1014
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
I didn't either 'till I went back through my back issues of GENII.
Msg #1012 Dated 18:17:06 04-25-91 -> 1023
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIVIA QUIZ!!
Nice suprise, eh? You seemed to be stationed all in Vol. 7. Have fun
rediscovering your effects!
Msg #1013 Dated 18:18:03 04-25-91 1006 <--> 1019
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP
Pete: Thanks. But howabout something easier for the kid? Appreciate
your help.
Msg #1014 Dated 18:18:23 04-25-91 -> 1041
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
Yes, 'tis true! If you taped the show, watch the credits. The show was
partially produced by David Kotkin. Dig a little deeper, and you'll
find a credit for a Seth Kotkin. Maybe that is his brother, or father.
Msg #1015 Dated 18:20:55 04-25-91 -> 1042
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: LUNCH FRI.
Well???
Msg #1016 Dated 18:20:27 04-25-91 -> 1043
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: GENII SUBSCRIPTION
Good, thanks! I can't wait! Finally a subscription. I used to have to
travel to Frisco to get it. Every month, including transportation, the
magazine would cost me over $6! This will be so much less expensive!
Msg #1017 Dated 18:26:07 04-25-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Here's a bizarre idea. What about magic trading cards. Lately, I've
heard about everything from Desert Storm cards to Twin Peaks cards to
Rock/Rap music cards. Why not magicians? Can't you just picture it?
"I'll trade you my double of Blackstone AND Princess Tenko for your
Copperfield card." "If you throw in Sigfried and Roy, it's a deal!"
They could have vital statistics on the back, and fun facts like: "In
his 90-91 season tour, David Copperfield cut off his finger doing a
comedy rope effect."
Just a bizarre lateral thought. You get the wierdest ideas when you
create your own effects....
Msg #1019 Dated 20:26:39 04-25-91 1005 <--> 1020
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP
Brainstorm???
You can't brainstorm!!!
You haven't COGITATED yet!!!!
Msg #1020 Dated 20:29:06 04-25-91 1007 <--> 1021
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HELP
I can hear him turning now....
Msg #1021 Dated 20:29:25 04-25-91 1013 <--> 1022
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP
The Cannibal cards.
Msg #1022 Dated 20:29:44 04-25-91 1019 <--> 1028
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HELP
Oh, OK, then I will go to bed. Flying to Seattle fo' couple days work.
Msg #1023 Dated 20:30:45 04-25-91 1012 <--> 1194
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: TRIVIA QUIZ!!
The others were written before I was born. When Lou decided to do No.
7 he was active and I was in NY alot and he and I were friends. His
Brothers Mike and Irving also. Mike had a store on the ground floor of
Broadway I think, in the Mugging section. More jokes and novelty stuff.
Msg #1025 Dated 20:36:37 04-25-91 999 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE DOCTOR
HERE is here! It doesn't matter where you are physically located on
the web - if you are HERE.
Msg #1026 Dated 20:26:46 04-25-91 -> 1066
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SO MANY BOOKS...
Well well. It's nice to know that Pete. Nice to know I'm not the only
one who can't do it. I've been practicing the damn thing for oh 2
hours a day for a couple of years now (really!). I guess this
obsession started after viewing Earl Nelson's video on the pass. That
jiggle pass of his still makes my eyes bug out. I've seen so
gawd-awful many routines which use a pass, everything from Vernon to
Cervon and back through Kaufman and Racherbaumer and Marlo... And I've
had to bypass those routines just 'cause only THE PASS will do. No
other work around. And I think I've burned all books that even come
close to mentioning a "top card cover pass". EEEK!
Msg #1028 Dated 20:42:44 04-25-91 -> 1039
From: RICHARD HART
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP
Marvin, a great card effect for a 7 year old is the old:
Start with three queens face down on top of the deck.
Fourth queen buried in pack. Have her fan the deck (or just
run through the cards) with the faces towards her, and pull
out the fourth queen and lay it face down on the table.
Hand the deck to spectator with request that they deal the
cards face down on the table, stopping "when ever they feel like
it" (should make sure they deal at least 10 cards...).
Then she has them deal the cards face down into three piles,
continue until all cards are exhausted. She turns over her
prediction card, then has spectator turn over top card of all
three piles. The all match. Simple, no sleights, easy set-up.
Hope this helps.
Msg #1029 Dated 21:48:43 04-25-91 -> 1033
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: MAC ADVICE
Does anybody out there know how someone with a laptop MAC could access
MAGIC! I was speaking with a fairly prominent magician last night that
would join us here if he could. He has a laptop MAC and a modem but no
communication software. He also says the MAC is supposed to run MS-DOS,
but has never tried. Any advice?
Msg #1031 Dated 21:52:20 04-25-91 -> 1036
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
But will you donate 10% to MAGIC! ?
Msg #1033 Dated 22:08:46 04-25-91 1029 <--> 1045
From: RICHARD HART
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
Get the model no. of his MAC, Burt, and let me know, I'll see what I
can do. Certainly I ought to be able to come up with SOMETHING. We
have a MAC user's group here at Rocketdyne, and I'm sure I could
beg/borrow/pilfer some decent P.D. communications package. I'll just
need to know the specifics of his computer....
_richard
Msg #1036 Dated 22:21:16 04-25-91 1004 <--> 1058
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
Speacking of pics, does anyone have some hints on magi getting good
publicity/promo shots? (I'm being VERY serious here). The PCX of
Tabby that is in the files area is probably a good example of a photo.
But what should the mage hold/wear? How do you tell good from bad?
How do you get them repro'ed in quantity?
Msg #1038 Dated 22:26:31 04-25-91 -> 1050
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: HELP
Hi Richard. Do you know the card trick where you use the Ace of Clubs
and the Ace of Spades to disguise the Ace of hearts to look like the
Ace of Diamonds? In the meantime, the Ace of Diamonds is really on top
of the deck? Then you turn the three aces face down, and put the Ace
of Diamonds (?) in the middle (actually the ace of hearts), and one ace
on top, one on the bottom, yet when you cut theeck once, they are all
together again in the middle.
When I've taught this to kids, they've considered the camouflaging of
the Ace to be very clever.
Msg #1039 Dated 22:23:30 04-25-91 -> 1051
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP
Marvin -
Why does it have to be a card trick? When my two year old (now 2-1/2)
wanted to do tricks I realized that he couldn't manipulate/hold a deck.
Dante Larsen suggested switching to coin magic and he now does about
three card tricks (and a color changing silk). Might I suggest the
following:
The classic salt shaker vanish
A coin fold - you place a coin in a piece of paper, fold the paper in
front of the spectator and the coin vanishes from inside the
"envelope." The concept can be found in Scarne's Magic Tricks,
although he burns the paper and you might not want to do that part.
Silk or rope tricks
There are some good books for young magicians:
The Klutz Book of Magic (Yeah, I know I'm gonna hear about this) by
Jeff Busby and others.
Now You See It, Now You Don't by Bill Tarr (perhaps a bit too
advanced).
There are also some good videos:
The Magic Secrets Video by Dan Witkowski is PERFECT for her, but I
don't know if it is still available. It was done as a promotional item
by General Mills. You're in the biz, so you might be able to track it
down thru Magiccom Home Video Products, Minneapolis, Mn.
I believe Michael Ammar did a magic video for children. He might be
able to tell you about it.
Msg #1040 Dated 22:38:12 04-25-91 1010 <--> 1195
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
Had to give up my TV Magic Cards -- no good for the Cannibal Card
routine I'm working on now. I figure that soon as I've got that down,
I can announce that I'm a magician again. Er, now how do you spell
Ascanio?
Msg #1041 Dated 22:41:50 04-25-91 1011 <--> 1048
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
But we've all still got one famous Goldstein to go! MAX: If we promise
to be good, will you tell us?
Msg #1042 Dated 22:42:46 04-25-91 1015 <--> 1076
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCH FRI.
Sorry, Marvin. It doesn't look AT ALL promising. I have a project
deadline this week. If I do make it, it will really be last minute,
but the odds are against it. Maybe next week?
Msg #1043 Dated 22:44:08 04-25-91 1016 <--> 1053
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: GENII SUBSCRIPTION
You're gonna love it, Scott. Genii, under Dante's editorship, has
become a great magician's magazine. Something to look forward to each
month. Rumor has it that the May issue features Eugene Burger.
Msg #1045 Dated 22:54:55 04-25-91 1033 <--> 1069
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
Several of our members use Macs. Others use Amigas. And there are
some with a lot of different systems. It doesn't need to be MS-DOS
compatible in the slightest. The KEY is getting the communications
software (odd that they have a modem but no software). If Richard
can't come up with any (inconcievable!), then they might consider
purchasing some, but usually public domain communications software is
better than the purchase stuff.
Anyway, your friend is welcome here, even with a Mac. DO remind 'em to
leave a comment with a request for access to MAGIC! and a way to verify
the registration. Particularly when famous names are involved, we
verify very carefully.
Msg #1048 Dated 23:17:12 04-25-91 1041 <--> 1049
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
I'll even provide a hint: he didn't change his name all that much.
Msg #1049 Dated 23:22:16 04-25-91 1048 <--> 1059
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
Glug! Now you are really putting me on the spot! And I wasn' even in
the contest - I was just trying to be a good sysop.
Msg #1050 Dated 23:15:21 04-25-91 1038 <--> 1078
From: RICHARD HART
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: HELP
I'd forgotten about that one, Michael. And yes, that would be a great
effect for her.
MARVIN! Oh Marvin! Did you get that?]
By the way, Michael, when you get your cast off, I'm assuming that
you're going to have your doctor take a card, sign it, you vanish it,
and when they cut your cast off, the card will be found inside?
Or will they find one of those Kevin James severed arm gimmicks stuck
on the ceiling???
Tee Hee...
_richard
Msg #1051 Dated 23:19:29 04-25-91 1009 <--> 1052
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP
Given that at age seven she's not going to be able to plow through a
lot of text, you're probably better off buying her some simple prop.
Royal Magic makes a pocket-sized drawer box, not particularly
expensive, that is easy to operate. Several of the Tenyo items are
within a young child's grasp, for example their recent rope trick.
If you're really sold on the ide of card magic, some (by no means
all) of the material in the Scarne book is viable for that age. Also,
much of the magic (card and other) in the Severn books. Your best bet
is to look it over, choose a couple of items, and teach them to her.
Several years ago I ghost-wrote "The Blackstone Card Trick System"
which was marketed by Pressman Toys. It comes with an audiotape, a pack
of cards, and some simple gimmicks. Most of the tricks can be done by
a young kid; you can perform the others... (One of the amusing things
about that project was showing the material I'd developed to Harry, and
fooling him with some of the effects.)
Msg #1052 Dated 23:23:12 04-25-91 1039 <--> 1054
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP
She might be able to buy off some of my son's props. While he is still
very interested in magic, he has taken up two new pursuits - baseball
and opera! Yep, opera. I brought home the Carreras-Domingo-Pavarotti
laser disc and he went nuts! Glommed onto it just like he did to the
first magic video he saw. Glued to the screen, when Pavarotti began he
said, "O-o-o-o-h, HE sings g-o-o-o-o-d!"
No way am I gonna show this kid Madonna's Blonde Ambition disc.
Msg #1053 Dated 23:34:57 04-25-91 1043 <--> 1055
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GENII SUBSCRIPTION
There's also a strong rumor that a series of restaurant magic articles
by yours truly will start in the May GENII. David...I'll put the new
MM in the mail for you as there's a credit in it for MAGIC! I don't
know if you collect such things, but I'll send it just in case. Still
friends?
Msg #1054 Dated 23:26:47 04-25-91 1039 <--> 1057
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HELP
Additional books:
Milbourne Christopher's Magic Book, by M. Christopher
Learn Magic, by Henry Hay
How to Entertain Children with Magic You Can Do, by Merlini
Starting in Magic, by David Ginn
Bill Severn's Book of Magic, by Bill Severn
Presto! Magic for the Beginner, by George Schindler
Additional Effects:
Cups and balls (S.S. Adams set)
(My almost 7-year-old does the stock penetration routine,
ending with the 4 fuzzy balls under the cup. All proud
parentism aside, she gets the biggest grins from the
adults when she does this. Been thinking of teaching her
how to load a large ball into the cups as she reveals the
final four, then have her put all four balls on top of the
cup, cover with remaining cups, then produce the final big
ball. Have her double take on the ball, and say something
like "Daddy, what do I do now?" or "When I do this trick,
I always have a ball!")
Tree of Hearts
Msg #1055 Dated 0:28:22 04-26-91 1053 <--> 1198
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: GENII SUBSCRIPTION
Congratulations on the articles in Genii, Jim! Will be looking forward
to seeing the new issue of Magic Menu.
Msg #1056 Dated 0:29:08 04-26-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: COPYRIGHTS/LICENSES
Just came across this on the jacket of the Carreras-Domingo-Pavarotti
laser disc...
"This programme is under copyright protection and may be shown in
private homes only. Any rental, lease, barter deal or repurchase,
copying, reproduction or re-recording as well as public exhibition or
similar commercial acts serving the same economic purpose, or their
sufferance, are prohibited and will be persecuted according to the
civil law and the penal code."
NOW, I'd like to call your attention to MAGIC!'s policy regarding
videotapes and other copyright materials. We condone the listing of
collections of such materials for comparitive purposes, so long as the
materials are in legal possession. We DO NOT condone public messages
which offer to transfer ownership in any but a legal manner, or to
solicit or offer to make illegal copies. Public messages which appear
to contain such solicitations or offers will be deleted at the sole
discretion of the system operator.
Msg #1057 Dated 1:01:36 04-26-91 1022 <--> 1065
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP
Heh, heh.
Oh...okay...you can brainstorm if you wanna.
But don't forget to cogitate about the stuff we talked about.
Have a good trip...Seattle is beautiful...(I'm partial to the rain).
Talk to you when you return.
Msg #1058 Dated 1:13:06 04-26-91 1036 <--> 1070
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
A good photographer is worth every nickel of his or her fee. Photos
are often a performer's calling card. Most often, booking people look
at a photo BEFORE they decide whether or not to commit a few moments of
their time to watching your tape! Photos reproduced in newspapers,
etc. can greatly influence potential ticket-buying audience members.
YOUR PHOTO SHOULD PRESENT YOUR PERFORMING "IMAGE" CLEARLY. You should
be able to look like your photo when you show up for a gig!
...I could go on and on...but I'll spare you...
.
.
Concerning photo duplication, there are several good ones in town. One
of the more reasonable is Quantity Photo on Hollywood Blvd., East of
the Hollywood Fwy. (They do glossy or matte finish in any quantity)
They will print your name, agent, etc. at the bottom.
If you want lithograph prints, (I usually use them for public
appearance giveaways, autographs, etc), you might try Anderson Graphics
on Woodman in North Hollywood/Van Nuys area.
Msg #1059 Dated 1:32:45 04-26-91 1048 <--> 1060
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
Will Goldston
(?)
Msg #1060 Dated 1:38:41 04-26-91 1048 <--> 1072
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
Ahhh...
Did anyone mention Horace Goldin yet?
Msg #1063 Dated 6:18:22 04-26-91 -> 1073
From: ERIC RONNE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD HENNING SHOWS
...rats.
Msg #1064 Dated 7:38:30 04-26-91
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: HELP
It looks like I answered the Michael Overly question, thinking you had
asked it. Fortunately, you saw right through me...
Msg #1065 Dated 8:23:10 04-26-91 1007 <--> 1067
From: MICHAEL OVERLY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HELP
Relax, big guy. The weight of all knowledge seems to be taking its toll
on you. Apparently that bought of irregularity that you have been
having hasn't passed yet. Try to eat more fiber. Have a nice day. .
.
Msg #1066 Dated 9:54:20 04-26-91 1026 <--> 1097
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: SO MANY BOOKS...
A crimp will get 'em every time.
Msg #1067 Dated 9:55:03 04-26-91 1028 <--> 1068
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: HELP
Gee, I didn't know that.... great trick
!
Msg #1068 Dated 9:56:32 04-26-91 1057 <--> 1075
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HELP
I am goin to be working inside the Kindome, so IT CAN RAIN ALL IT
WANTS.
Msg #1069 Dated 9:57:38 04-26-91 1029 <--> 1200
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
no
Msg #1070 Dated 9:58:25 04-26-91 1031 <--> 1071
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
40-PERCENT (LESS EXPENSES)
Msg #1071 Dated 9:58:57 04-26-91 1036 <--> 1080
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
The worst thing is a picture of a magician holding something that makes
no sense to a laymen. Usually just a good face is better than holding
some dumb prop, that "still" means nothing. Tabby's pic is great, the
main thing is the backlight separating the hair from the background.
I have seen great performers with cards fanned in front of a fluffy
white shirt and when reproduced you can't see what the guy is holding.
If you can afford it, find an ADVERTISING photographer with a studio
that does glamour etc. I used a guy in San Francisco that usually gets
over $1000 a shot... but he had owed me a small favor, and on a quiet
day said come over. He said, the only rule is, after I finish shooting
you the way YOU want, I want to shoot you the way I WANT.
Needless to say, the stuff he shot the way HE SAW ME was 100 times
better. Killer stuff in fact, so good that I changed my entire style,
look, wardrobe to match what he saw. And my comedy went even better as
I had A "LOOK" from then on!
Very important.
Msg #1072 Dated 10:04:05 04-26-91 1049 <--> 1081
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
Moldstein?
Msg #1073 Dated 10:04:51 04-26-91 1063 <--> 1082
From: PETE BIRO
To: ERIC RONNE (X)
Re: OLD HENNING SHOWS
Yes R A T S. Does anyone know if you can take beta casettes apart and
clean them? h e l p .. .. .. or ...---... (sos)
Msg #1074 Dated 10:05:35 04-26-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SO LONG
Got to run to the airport. Keep hackin' and smile when you can.
Msg #1075 Dated 10:37:37 04-26-91 1028 <--> 1077
From: MARVIN STERN
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: HELP
Thanks. This will work great for her. Thanks again.
Msg #1076 Dated 10:39:19 04-26-91 1042 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH FRI.
OK. I can now cancel my appointment at the bank, and not borrow money
this week, to pay for the lunch.
Msg #1077 Dated 10:40:49 04-26-91 1051 <--> 1121
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HELP
Max. Thanks. I appreciate the information.
Msg #1078 Dated 10:46:12 04-26-91 1038 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: HELP
Thanks for the trick. You may remember we sat next to each other at a
MAGIC lunch at the Castle. I'm the one that gave your lovely wife the
clapboard lapel pin.
Just got the brochure from L&L on your new book. Good luck with it.
Msg #1079 Dated 10:48:46 04-26-91
From: MARVIN STERN
To: ALL
Re: HELP
If I forgot anyone, thanks for the tricks for the 7 year old. Got a
lot of good information.
There's a lot of knowledge out there with you guys.
Msg #1080 Dated 11:21:08 04-26-91 1071 <--> 1093
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
You have touched on a VERY INTERESTING point! I have seldom liked the
shots that were done the way I WANTED! But have had some good work
done when I let the professional make decisions. Naturally, that is
the value of a really good professional photographer over just someone
who calls themselves one - the quality of visualization.
Msg #1081 Dated 11:23:41 04-26-91 1072 <--> 1101
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
I donno, Pete. I was thinking of Goldfinger from "Goldfinter and
Dove," but I don't think he's Jewish.
Msg #1082 Dated 11:25:08 04-26-91 1073 <--> 1109
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD HENNING SHOWS
There are some screws at the bottom of a Beta cassette that will allow
you to open the shell. What happens when you try it? Do springs pop
up? I don't know. And cleaning the tape would be very complex. I'd
suggest you call Sony Tech Support for advice. Of course, with the
condition of your "ratty" tapes, you don't have much to loose.
Msg #1083 Dated 13:20:41 04-26-91 -> 1087
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FFFF
Sorry I didn't get anything up last night but its been hard finding
a proper jack for this laptop. As you can probably guess I am in
Beautiful Buffalo by the Lake attending the 21st Gathering of
The Few in honor of the Forks Hotel which is closing monday morn
(receivership) and the last (prob) FFFF to be held at the historic
Pony Express stop when east was west.
The largest attendance in years (stellar too) with a draw from most
of the free world. Ray Mertz made sure I met most all whom I had not
previously been aquainted.
Harry Lorraine lectured last night in a marathon which lasted over
three hours upstairs while many remained at the bar downstairs shoot-
ing the breeze and bending elbows. Around 7:30 pm most of the
gathers started showing up and the Forks (which is now a rat hole)
came to life.
Things are really set to start tonight and run all day tomorrow (Sat)
so you haven't missed much so far and I'll try to get this online
early (typing this sitting on bed using copy con) and then file
another report tonight.
MAGIC! users in attendence from all over USA.
Scott Wells, Dave Williamson, Gary Ouellet, Howie Schwarzman, Harrison
Carroll, etc who have said hello. The first show starts in a little
while and I'm now back at the hotel after going over to the forks to
pick up the modem. I think Doc Eason will be signing on soon too as
I explained how to get in and out FAST.
Wanted to touch base with everyone today and will post a full report
(at least from the tabman's POV) tonight and again tomorrow night.
I will not be downloading any messages until I get back to Spring Hill
Sunday nite so if I owe you a reply I'll get to it Monday morning first
thing.
Mo Later, tabman
Msg #1087 Dated 13:57:25 04-26-91 1083 <--> 1112
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Thanks for the report - I can hardly imagine the conditions you are
functioning under - a borrowed Bondwell laptop, no software, weird
hotel wiring. BUT you are reporting in and we're all there with you.
Please give regards to all the MAGIC! members at the Forks "in person."
Tell Doc Eason we're waiting for him.
Msg #1089 Dated 15:56:49 04-26-91 -> 1099
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TAHOE
Thanks much Max for the info on the Tahoe shows. I will
definitely see your show. I have been dying to see
Barclay Shaws act ever since I missed him in Las Vegas.
I believe you were involved in every magic show I have
seen in Tahoe. Is it safe to assume that you regularly
produce shows up there? And if you will be perfroming
there yourself I would appreciate knowing about it so I
can make the drive up.
Thanks for the offer to review my tape. It is my belief
that timing is crucial in everything I do. At present I
dont have an act that is the caliber you would be looking
for but I am taking the necessary steps to polish up the
Wine Magic Act. I am looking at this summer as a
completion time and at that time I will submit a tape.
Everything I do now is work in progress as far as I am
concerned. I try to maintain very high standards for
myself and am my own toughest critic.
Please see my message about international humour. I would
appreciate any thoughts you have. Thanks.
Msg #1090 Dated 15:57:40 04-26-91 -> 1152
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BENT WOOD
Yo Tabbman
Well fate reared its ugly head and last nights show
didnt get taped. I will have to issue a rain check
till June when we are scheduled to roll tape again.
I will rent Urban Cowboy this weekend and will jump
up every time I see you and shout "hey I know that
guy". I imagine this will annoy the Wizette
considerably.
Have you seen the Jamaican version of said film
called Herbin' Cowboy?
I will contact my pop soon about wood bending. I was
going to do same last year and we discussed it at some
length. I believe he talked about a bending jig that
was immersed in water so the wood never lost the
heat. I dont recall the details but will pass them
on as they come in.
Although I work in the wood industry I regret that I
am not as skilled as I would like to be. We make
portable massage tables at work. Its a good product
but not particularly fine woodworking. I am teaching
myself furniture making at home. I bought this house
less than a year ago and its the first time in my
adult life that I have had a shop to work with.
I am presently working on a coffee table of Zebra
wood, curly redwood burl and ebony. It will be a
simple design and the beauty of it will be in the
blending of the three woods. I am also teaching
myself wood turning.
God I wish I had three more lives to pursue all the
things I love, but for now I will focus on the ones
that are most important. At 28 years old I still
have enough time to accomplish what I need to get
done and hopefully leave some sort of mark on the
Earth that will say " Steve was here".
Msg #1091 Dated 15:58:44 04-26-91 -> 1094
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: INTERNATIONAL HUMOUR
OK here's a strange sort of discussion.
I am trying to do some home work on humour in different
countries. How do I go about finding out what makes
English people laugh, Japanese people laugh etc..
Are there any books on translating humour in different
cultures? I know that British humour is somewhat
different than American humour and would assume that
the same is true of most cultures.
Its an odd question I know but I would appreciate the
opinions of those in the know.
Msg #1092 Dated 15:59:21 04-26-91 -> 1116
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: FIRE
Would all that have an opinion on the subject give me your
thoughts on the use of pyrotechnics in magic. I am especialy
interested in the legalities and logistics of using flashes
and flame.
How is it regulated? Will the use of same limit the venues
in which you can perform? How about the use of it in foreign
countries or on cruise ships?
Also, is anyone familiar with the new aerotechnics, fake
fireworks using co2 and streamers?
Msg #1093 Dated 16:22:14 04-26-91 1036 <--> 1095
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
Chris Carey's book, "Find the Stuff that's You", has a section on how
to publicize yourself. It mentions you can have photos showing you
doing your favorite tricks but under no circumstances should you look
like you just came from a magic shop. It also recommended shopping
around as prices can vary by 100%. You might consider a good amateur
photographer. Go to the Castle library when it opens and T. A. will
surely be able to point you to many good references besides the one I
mentioned.
Msg #1094 Dated 16:28:20 04-26-91 1091 <--> 1100
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: INTERNATIONAL HUMOUR
I don't have any references particular to international humor, maybe
someone else does. But a GREAT book on practical inter-cultural
differences is "The Global Edge" by Sondra Snowdon (New York: Simon and
Schuster, 1986).
Msg #1095 Dated 16:30:47 04-26-91 1093 <--> 1105
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
Thanks, Stan. Appreciate the suggestion. Have been meaning to get a
copy of "Find the Stuff That's You" and you just added some additional
incentive.
Msg #1096 Dated 16:32:58 04-26-91 1008 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LUNCH W/MOJO FOLKS...
Take heart, Biro-san. You probably get better service from female
waitpersons (hate the term "servers") in resturants than she does.
Although I do remember the time a male business colleague and I got
considerable attention from a male waitperson - it was in San
Francisco.
What do you want attention from construction workers for anyway?
Msg #1097 Dated 16:41:04 04-26-91 1026 <--> 1147
From: STAN LAKE
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: SO MANY BOOKS...
Richard- Next time I see you remind me to show you two easy passes that
you can learn in minutes!
Msg #1098 Dated 16:58:31 04-26-91 -> 1145
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: EUREKA!!!
I've Got it!! The Final solution to the Card on Train window!!
Geno was right!
David attached the card to a pull from his sleeve, down his back,
onto to the floor! A passing Ticket Taker picked up the card,
mistaking it for a ticket stub. Seeing it was only another torn
card, he tossed it out the back door where David's assistant
caught it.
Running precariously across the top of the train car, he attached
the card to a flyswatter. Dangling by his toes, he hung over the
side and SLAPPED it onto the window just in the nick of time!!
I've got proof!
Thanks to the magic of computers, I've been able to capture the
event on disk and with enough magnification and color
"enhancement", actually see what took place!
I'm uploading a file called T_WINDOW.PCX This is a 320x200x256
VGA file but I know some of you can view it.
Seriously, I can now capture live video and convert it to VGA and
SVGA formats in GIF, PCX, and other forms.
PLEASE let me know if anyone is interested and I'll work on some
more images for MAGIC!
Thanks,
David
Msg #1099 Dated 17:51:49 04-26-91 1089 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: TAHOE
There's been a tremendous amount of magic in the Reno/Tahoe market, and
by no means have I been involved with all of it, but I have directed
four shows for Caesars Tahoe over the past few years. Although I do not
perform in the casino market that often, in the past two or three years
I have appeared at Caesars and also the Flamingo in Reno. If I accept
any forthcoming engagements in that area, I will let you know.
Msg #1100 Dated 17:54:51 04-26-91 1091 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: INTERNATIONAL HUMOUR
There are indeed some major cultural differences regarding what is
perceived as being funny. My own experiences working in about twenty
countries have shown that it's possible to develop a reasonably
reliable instinct for deciding what is likely to work and what will
fail. This is difficult to describe; essentially, you adjust your
mindset based on the surroundings, and filter the jokes through that.
Afterwards, you must still occasionally check to make sure that a
specific informational frame-of-reference is there.
A few weeks ago I did a banquet show for an audience which was about
60% Americans and 40% other countries. I did a line which I _knew_ was
not going to be funny to the foreign attendees, as it references a
purely American turn of phrase. So, when (as expected) only 60% of the
house laughed at the line, I followed up with a (scripted) ad lib,
"We've just lost the Europeans..." This got a solid laugh from
everyone -- the Americans because they realized the truth of what I'd
just observed, and the Europeans because they appreciated that I knew
the line was culturally restricted.
Msg #1101 Dated 18:02:03 04-26-91 1060 <--> 1107
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
You're not the first to mention Horace Goldin, whose real name was
Hyman Goldstein. You are the first to come up with Will Goldston, whose
real name was Wolf Goldstein.
Msg #1102 Dated 18:47:46 04-26-91 -> 1393
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP
For an easy card effect for your 7 year old download the file
CARRDSPEL.TXT
Msg #1105 Dated 19:45:39 04-26-91 1080 <--> 1106
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
Same goes for my advice to acts. Get a non magic costume designer,
choreographer, musical director, etc. etc. IE: HIRE A PRO.
Msg #1106 Dated 19:46:42 04-26-91 1093 <--> 1168
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
I don't want to sound negative to your advice about finding an amateur
photographer, but would you go to an amateur Doctor?
Msg #1107 Dated 19:47:31 04-26-91 1081 <--> 1108
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
Maybe Sammy Davis Jr. was an influence?
Msg #1108 Dated 19:47:58 04-26-91 1101 <--> 1117
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
Whoa! Wolf Goldtein? You don't have him confused with Wolf Blitzer.
I am on the road, but a book of names (old magig collector magazine)
has an entirely different real name for Will Goldston.
Msg #1109 Dated 19:49:14 04-26-91 1082 <--> 1133
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD HENNING SHOWS
The tape itself is probaly ok,it is just Rat Doo Doo rattling around
inside that I wanna get out. Arrggghhh. A definite job for
rubbergloves.
Msg #1112 Dated 19:50:56 04-26-91 1083 <--> 1120
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Coathanger sends his regards from Seattle. Just pulled the bed out from
the wall and found the fone jack. Didn't need a crowbar.
Msg #1116 Dated 19:54:52 04-26-91 1092 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: FIRE
When we have anyone using fire, flame, etc. we have to hire a fireman
to stand by backstge. If you use pyrotechnics, like rock bands, etc.
you need to have a licensed pryotechnician _ plus the fireman.
Msg #1117 Dated 20:06:31 04-26-91 1108 <--> 1122
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
Maybe he had a different publicist when the book you have was
published! I think, maybe Rogers & Goldcowanstein?
Msg #1120 Dated 20:09:45 04-26-91 1083 <--> 1151
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Gary Oullet was in attendance from CANADA. I enjoy his style...simple
and elegant.
Msg #1121 Dated 20:14:51 04-26-91 1068 <--> 1128
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP
I wasn't being sarcastic, Pete...I really do LOVE the rainy climes. I
lived in London for about a year and a half and, having seriously
overstayed my visa and conveniently "forgot" to notify the draft board
of my overseas stay, I was tracked down and ordered to return to the
States for my physical!
They expected a little more of an explanation than, "Oops!"
Heh, heh.
Southern California is my home ONLY because I need to be here
professionally. Otherwise, I'd surely be living somewhere that
offered a climate in which the populace carried "brullies" as a matter
of daily course. Get out of the Kindome for a while and ENJOY IT!
Msg #1122 Dated 20:26:14 04-26-91 1101 <--> 1127
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
OOOOO!!!! GREAT!!!!!
(whadduaye win??? whadduaye win??? whadduaye win???!!!)
Actually, I knew Goldin's name was really Goldstein...Will Goldston was
just an educated guess. Okay, maybe not so educated...a LUCKY guess!
Msg #1123 Dated 20:30:55 04-26-91 -> 1129
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: SYSTEM
David...just wanted to say that the new system really does speed things
up! It works great! Bravo!
Msg #1125 Dated 20:53:27 04-26-91 1125 <-
From: KEVIN MEADOR
To: ERIC RONNE (X)
Re: OLD HENNING SHOWS
Eric, I was just asking the same question and Darrell Murphy replied to
me, if you find anyone else I would appreciate those as well, I would
really like to have them for my collection, thanks!
Kevin
Msg #1127 Dated 21:07:30 04-26-91 1267 <--> 1132
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
You may be right! I thought I filed a quiz Pseudonmys a couple days
ago. Giving the REAL names and asking for... er,I forget.... Nobody
seems to have replied, guess was too difficult.
Msg #1128 Dated 21:09:22 04-26-91 1271 <--> 1155
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HELP
We spent a cople of hours lost trying to find our hotel. But was nice,
driving on Coastal Hiway. Hey,I lived on the ocean in Mendocino County!
Anybody wanna buy the place? 8.27 Acres, nearly 3,000 sq ft custom
home? Asking925K 925K
Msg #1129 Dated 21:10:56 04-26-91 1273 <--> 1135
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SYSTEM
I can't tell the difference. Duh!
Msg #1130 Dated 21:11:22 04-26-91 -> 1171
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JAY
If you get the chance, ask Jay Marshall to send me a bw pic where he is
smiling, looking at camra and holding up 5 Linking rings. You know what
it is for. I love the line about the guy with Big Ears! You will fry
when you see the layout. Scanned the pic from "the" book! Har.
Msg #1132 Dated 22:22:43 04-26-91 1257 <--> 1156
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
I didn't say it wasn't the case, merely that I didn't think he was.
Msg #1133 Dated 22:27:16 04-26-91 1259 <--> 1139
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD HENNING SHOWS
Videotape is very delicate. Probably even more sensitive than film.
Somewhere between dry film and wet film, probably. You might consider
putting disposable cotton gloves over the rubber gloves (seriously).
The stuff on the reels is probably OK, once you get the surface gunk
off of it. Of course there is no telling what else may have "leaked"
into the tape. There are a number of small parts in the shell and I
believe that on Beta the reels are reverse wrapped. Tell you what --
I've got some bad Beta lying around here. Lemme do some brain surgery
(amatuer) and get back to you.
Msg #1135 Dated 22:36:06 04-26-91 1273 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SYSTEM
Thank you, Wayne. We're still compacting the messages, so for another
day or two the message numbers are unreliable. Turned out that the
renumbering system didn't work quite the way I'd planned. It will
probably be an annual job -- but if we don't have it reprogrammed by
next year I'll know better and take a few days off of work to do it.
Msg #1138 Dated 23:09:56 04-26-91 -> 1140
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: HOUDINI
If you have any questions about Houdini, I will be happy to answer
them. If I don't have the answer, I'll say so.
Msg #1139 Dated 22:56:36 04-26-91 1133 <--> 1175
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD HENNING SHOWS
OK, Biro-san -- here is the real stuff on shelling your Betas. Keep in
mind that I learned this by experimentation, not by finding out how to
do it right by asking a competent authority. Also, no warranties,
express or implied, are provided for this information. The user of the
information does so at his own risk and no damages or liability are
assumed by the author.
Er... what the heck was I gonna tell you? Oh, yeah! Beta cassettes,
how to open.
* Put on rubber gloves. Place clean disposable cotton film-handling
gloves on over these.
* Turn the shell upside down with the tape door pointing away from
you. You will notice a small rectangular slot at the far right
corner (not the semi-rectangle with the screw at the bottom of
it - further to the far right).
* Notice the angled piece of plastic inside this rectangle. With
a small screwdriver, pull the angled plastic toward you. This
will release the hinged lid.
* Open the hinged lid. This will release the tape locks. Draw some
tape out (carefully!) so that you can easily reach the label
behind the tape. The label helps hold the shell together.
* Cut the label along the line where the shell halves join. Be
careful not to let go of the hinged door or to allow the tape
to become folded, spindled, or mutilated.
* Retighten the tape by either turning the right hub clockwise or
the left hub counter-clockwise.
* Allow the hinged door to close gently.
* Lay the shell upside down and unscrew the four cross-point screws.
* Hold the shell together as you open the hinged door again.
* Turn the shell over carefully and collect the four screws.
* Remove the top of the shell - do NOT attempt to do this upside-
down!
* Lay the top and bottom of the shell down seperately.
* Photograph the interior of the shell or draw a diagram, carefully
noting the manner in which the tape is threaded and identifying
the interlocks.
* Remove the tape and the tape reels and clean the shell.
* Replace the tape and the tape reels and put the shell back
together.
* Make a copy of the tape on the FIRST PASS. Do not depend on
the cleaned tape.
Does that help?
Msg #1140 Dated 23:25:10 04-26-91 1138 <--> 1257
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: HOUDINI
Manny Weltman is a well-known and well-published scholar of Houdini.
I'm certain he needs no introduction to many members of MAGIC!
Msg #1144 Dated 23:33:21 04-26-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW GRAPHIC FILE
Tom Raymond has uploaded an interesting full-color drawing of Gandalf
the Wizard and a Hobbit (possibly Bilbo). It is in the files area as
GANDALF.GIF Thank you, Tom!
Msg #1145 Dated 23:35:41 04-26-91 1248 <--> 1190
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: EUREKA!!!
Well, David, I did get an image from T-WINDOW.PCX, but I'm not certain
I've seen what I'm looking at. Appears to be a breaching wale in front
of a schoolhouse. Guess I'll have to try turning the monitor upside
down or something.
If I may ask, what are you using for capture hardware/software?
Msg #1147 Dated 3:21:57 04-27-91 1216 <--> 1148
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SO MANY BOOKS...
Yes, a crimp will get 'em every time, unless one is in Mexico. Then
it's a cramp....
Msg #1148 Dated 3:22:43 04-27-91 1247 <--> 1387
From: RICHARD HART
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: SO MANY BOOKS...
Gee, thanks, Stan! In fact I tried one of those easy passes at the
Castle tonight.
... She slapped the hell outta me!
Msg #1149 Dated 3:29:25 04-27-91 -> 1159
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
Howard Bamman (editor of "The Linkinng Ring" told me that he feels that
an escapologist is not a magician. That thay are two different art
forms. He also said that Houdini was a poor magician. (He never saw
him perform. Got the information all through hear say.) What do you
think of both his statements?
Msg #1151 Dated 7:51:43 04-27-91 1237 <--> 1153
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FFFF
Gonna try to do it online this am and not my usual commando stuff since
its all fuzzy anyway after hanging out with Bill Meisel, Doc Eason
(he'll get on here sooner or later), Ray Mertz, Ed Eckl, David Drake
etc at the Precursor Suite at the holiday Inn.
Msg #1152 Dated 7:54:54 04-27-91 1240 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: BENT WOOD
Am on the road and will reply when I get home , OK.
Msg #1153 Dated 7:55:48 04-27-91 1262 <--> 1161
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FFFF
I've got good info for you re the visit I made yesterday and they can
make anything with cards and dice, and I mean anything. The dice cup
you mentioned in your private msg they got. Will let you know it all
when I get back to the real world and have the luxury of being in and
on my own system, phones, etc, etc...
Msg #1154 Dated 7:58:39 04-27-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FFFF
I'm heading over for Saturday's events at the Forks in a while but
since am writing ONLINE will try to recap yesterday and then do a real
repoort when I get back to tabman hall tomorrow afternoon with liesure
and ease. Best thing for me was sitting deck in hand with MAGIC!AN Gary
Plants (bottom dealer, 2nd dealer...really great), Mike O'Dowd, another
great dealer and Gazzo also great. I'm working on it. Funny thing and
then I'm outa here. Gary is helping me with my grip and tells me to
practice dealing straight (off the top) for a while. We're all sitting
there with the cards and I'm slowly dealing straight from the top
working on natural, not second or bottoms or anything and theres a
crowd around the table. Gazzo is watching me and I'm just dealing from
the top. He's trying to see my bottom deal and there's nothing to see.
Somebody sez wgata you doing "Dealing Tops, best Top Deal I ever saw"
Mo later.
Msg #1155 Dated 9:03:51 04-27-91 1128 <--> 1157
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP
If I could live there and work, I'd be there in a flash!
Msg #1156 Dated 9:11:51 04-27-91 1127 <--> 1158
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
I'd reply, Pete...except...what's the message number? Now, is that the
OLD message number or the new message number? Hmmm...I think the NEW
message numbers have been REVISED! I dunno...I've felt beyond my scope
since I shelved my ol' Smith-Corona!
Msg #1157 Dated 11:26:38 04-27-91 1155 <--> 1180
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HELP
Yeah, "in a flash..." In a flash flood! Can't do fancy dealin' up
there, your fingers rust.
Msg #1158 Dated 11:27:53 04-27-91 1156 <--> 1174
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
Only 18 more revisions to the numbering system to go, Wayne. When
message 817 becomes message 67 we're finished. Next time I try this,
assuming we haven't re-written the renumbering system by then (around
next April, I presume) I'm gonna announce it in advance, close down the
system for a day, take a day off of work, and do it in one shot.
Msg #1159 Dated 11:32:37 04-27-91 1149 <--> 1169
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
I'd be interested in some definitions/opinions too, Manny. Magic is,
I guess, one of the "Variety Arts." But where are the boundaries of
"Magic?" Maybe vents and jugglers are outside, maybe escapologists and
balloon animal makers are inside. Interesting question!
Msg #1161 Dated 11:36:05 04-27-91 1151 <--> 1170
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Give our regards back to 'em all. Let 'em know we're out here watching
FFFF via long distance.
Msg #1163 Dated 15:12:39 04-27-91 -> 1422
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: RENUMBERING
The Great MAGIC! Message Runumbering is done! The message that was
originally 10001 is now Message # 68 (there are 67 "semi-permanent"
messages, mostly private that have to remain below it). WHEW!
Now all I have to do is optimize the MAGIC! disk pack (will need to
take the system down for about one hour, probably late night/early
morning) and create MAGIC-21 and MAGIC-22 (about 3-4 hours work each,
but done while MAGIC! is up and running). Sigh.
Msg #1166 Dated 16:24:12 04-27-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FFFF
The 21st Annual 4F is billed as the original close-up convention is
drawing to a close here in Buffalo. There is much nostalgic feeling
here as this is the last year (perhaps) that Obie Obrien and his able
cohorts will be able to product the show here at the Forks Hotel. You
will I hope forgive my typos as I'm operating under a handicap and do
not wish to insult your sensibilities in the grammar dept.
It would be hard to really describe what is going on as there may at
any given moment be mini-conventions going on all over the bldg. with
guys like Rich kaufman, Daryl, Frank Garcia, Doc Eason, Ray Mertz, Mike
O'Dowd, Eric DeChamps, Randy Wakeman, Gary Plants, Harrison Carroll,
Mike gallo, Lou Gallo, Harry Lorraine, Juan Tamariz, (I'm going nuts
trying to remember everybody and .....) and many others of lesser,
equal
and greater individual talant going head to head.
The energy level is high as everyone senses the final curtain call of
Msg #1167 Dated 16:24:51 04-27-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FFFF
The 21st Annual 4F is billed as the original close-up convention is
drawing to a close here in Buffalo. There is much nostalgic feeling
here as this is the last year (perhaps) that Obie Obrien and his able
cohorts will be able to product the show here at the Forks Hotel. You
will I hope forgive my typos as I'm operating under a handicap and do
not wish to insult your sensibilities in the grammar dept.
It would be hard to really describe what is going on as there may at
any given moment be mini-conventions going on all over the bldg. with
guys like Rich kaufman, Daryl, Frank Garcia, Doc Eason, Ray Mertz, Mike
O'Dowd, Eric DeChamps, Randy Wakeman, Gary Plants, Harrison Carroll,
Mike gallo, Lou Gallo, Harry Lorraine, Juan Tamariz, (I'm going nuts
trying to remember everybody and .....) and many others of lesser,
equal
and greater individual talant going head to head.
The energy level is high as everyone senses the final curtain call of
Msg #1168 Dated 16:30:31 04-27-91 1106 <--> 1178
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
I didn't mean it to sound like I was giving any advice of my own. I
was only paraphrasing some of what I had read in Chris Carey's book
"Find the Stuff that's You" and ecouraging David to either read the
chapter in that book or others. I have never had any publicity shots
taken of me so I was just passing along some info that I had read.
Sorry if it was lousy advice.
Msg #1169 Dated 16:43:56 04-27-91 1149 <--> 1176
From: STAN LAKE
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
I remember seeing some old film clips of Houdini working with cards and
it seemed to me he was fairly adept at manipulating them. He was a
tremendous showman so I don't know why he couldn't have performed just
about any kind of magic in a spectacularly entertaining fashion.
In my opinion, I think escape artists are just as much a branch of
magic as is say, card flourishes or mentalism or anything else. He had
his methods which he kept secret from the public so there was quite a
sense of mystery and awe about his performances. It's not as if he
walked around with master keys and picks saying "I can open any lock
that's made!"
Msg #1170 Dated 16:54:40 04-27-91 1120 <--> 1177
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FFFF
I talked to him yesterday for a while. He's having a good time.
Msg #1171 Dated 16:55:32 04-27-91 1130 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAY
OK, am just heading back over there now. Had to come over to hortel and
check in and put some stuff up. Got some other info for you and will
get to it when I get in tomorrow evening. Hasta luego.
Msg #1173 Dated 17:02:42 04-27-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FFFF
FFFF, billed as the original close-up convention, is drawing
to a close here in Buffalo. There is much nostalgic feeling here as
this is the last year (perhaps) that Obie Obrien and his able
cohorts will be able to product the show here at the Forks Hotel.
You will, I hope, forgive my typos as I'm operating under a handicap
and do not wish to insult your sensibilities in the grammar dept.
It would be hard to really describe what is going on as there may at
any given moment be mini-conventions going on all over the bldg. with
guys like Rich kaufman, Daryl, Frank Garcia, Doc Eason, Ray Mertz,
Mike O'Dowd, Eric DeChamps, Randy Wakeman, Gary Plants, Harrison
Carroll, Mike gallo, Lou Gallo, Harry Lorraine, Juan Tamariz, (I'm
going nuts trying to remember everybody and .....) and many others of
lesser, equal and greater individual talant going head to head.
The energy level is high as everyone senses the final curtain call of
The Forks, with its crumbling ceilings and sinking foundation, and is
simply "happy to be there" and part of it all.
I've talked to some magi who have not missed any of the 21 and several
who have made 20. The convention is not the venue it is the people who
come here that fmake it what it is and the Forks is a fun backdrop for
the event.
Oh, Pete....Jay marshall sez to say hello and Max...Mike O'Dowd sez
say howdy to you also and something else I didn't quite understand as
the bar noise was at a roar.
Perhaps I will be able to put this into some perspective for you when
I get home tomorrow, maybe breaking it down some if anybody wants to
know the schedule or what they had to eat (fried fish).
Msg #1174 Dated 17:18:03 04-27-91 1156 <--> 1181
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
Try quill and parchment!
Msg #1175 Dated 17:20:15 04-27-91 1139 <--> 1185
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD HENNING SHOWS
Yep! Will go thru it when I get home!
Msg #1176 Dated 17:21:47 04-27-91 1159 <--> 1212
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
I don't think Houdini was "poor" I understand he made good Money.
Msg #1177 Dated 17:22:55 04-27-91 1153 <--> 1182
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
YO.... taka U time!
Msg #1178 Dated 17:25:07 04-27-91 1168 <--> 1230
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
NO ADVICE IS LOUSY... you just got to hear all, and decide what will
work for you... I wuz only suggesting the optimum set up for a seriious
pro! If yoiu are going to GO PRO... GO ALL THE WAY... Keep the words
comin!
Msg #1179 Dated 17:26:41 04-27-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: EASY
Be EZ Tabbo, sounds like all is good. No rush as I go no dough... BOOK
IS GOING TO BE A KILLER! Be cool, listen for the BASS. (Base to
layman). AMMF
Msg #1180 Dated 17:29:25 04-27-91 1157 <--> 1186
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HELP
A little WD-40 and I'd be back finger-flickin' in no time!
Msg #1181 Dated 17:31:52 04-27-91 1174 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC TRIVIA
My quill & parchment operates on MS-DOS 0.000001 and I've misplaced the
documentation!
Msg #1182 Dated 17:38:38 04-27-91 1170 <--> 1233
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Glad to hear it, Tabbo....sounds like your having a great time your own
self! We expect a full scorecard upon your return!
Msg #1183 Dated 18:33:56 04-27-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: MICHAEL OVERLY (X)
Re: BUZZ
Got the Buzz - thanks. So you're an Aggie. Did you hear about the new
Aggie sun dial...it glows in the dark. Just kidding.
My sister lives in Conroe, so I get up there quite often.
Charlie
Msg #1184 Dated 18:35:50 04-27-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OKITO LETTER
?Glad you like 'em. See what happens if you don't let me pay for
dinner!!!
Actually it was the least I could do tpay you back for your
friendship and all the help.
Charlie
Msg #1185 Dated 20:01:25 04-27-91 1175 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD HENNING SHOWS
OK, the message renumbering is now FINISHED, so the "How to clean Beta
cartridges" message is # 1139.
Msg #1186 Dated 20:02:51 04-27-91 1180 <--> 1188
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HELP
Careful! Don't put WD-40 in your knuckles as it gums up the works.
Use a pro cleaner/lubricant like Contact Kleen. Also, any
silicon-based lubricant will work very well. Will leave you on your
own to determine how to acquire silicon (DON'T suggest what you are
thinking of on here!!! Please!!!).
Msg #1187 Dated 20:32:37 04-27-91 -> 1424
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: TOY STORES
All sorts of interesting and possibly useful items can be found in a
large toy store. Here's a small sample...
OBJECT SHAPED ERASERS - Erasers are made in all sorts of shapes and
sizes. I found a blister pack today with three erasers in it - one was
a short ruler, one was a very realistic looking small tube similar to
a tooth paste tube, labeled "Clean Blue," and the third was a miniature
"card deck" smaller than a Bicycle 404 mini, about the size of a
matchbox - has brown edges but a Queen of Hearts face.
By the way, a long time ago someone mentioned a "card shaped eraser"
that sounded more like a full-size card. If anyone finds these, I'd be
interested in a couple.
GLITTER PENS - These pens are gold, silver, blue, purple, etc. glitter
in a soft tube about 1/2" in diameter and about 4" long (estimate).
They have a cap with a pocket clip. I think they make interesting
magic wands - after all, how many bright looking magic wands have
pocket clips? Good for close-up.
BICYCLE MINIATURE CARDS IN GREEN - Busby mentioned these on here a few
weeks ago as part of the Bicycle Card discussion. Available in toy
stores they can prove an interesting addition to some miniature card
effects.
FOAM BALLS - Not quite sponge balls, there is a brand named Rawlings
that is very soft - somewhere between a sponge ball and a "super soft"
sponge ball. They compress nicely, except that they uncompress a bit
slow. An interesting posibility is that they seem to readily take a
static charge and can be made to easily roll around, following your
hand, on a table.
Just a few thoughts.
Msg #1188 Dated 22:43:15 04-27-91 1186 <--> 1196
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HELP
I used to know where I could get my hands on some silicone, but I just
can't seem to remember now. They do say that silicone can effect the
mammary....er...memory.
Msg #1190 Dated 22:59:32 04-27-91 1145 <--> 1191
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EUREKA!!!
Sorry for the blurred image. I captured it with a Targa 16 board and
zoomed in on David's hand to try for standard VGA size. The original is
580x481 pixels and is too large yet for a good upload size. The
"flyswatter" was added by pc paintbrush IV. If there is a call for this
I can work on higher resolution images. The hand seemed to blur I think
because of the motion during the frame capture as the other stationary
details of the image are clear.
Msg #1191 Dated 23:23:01 04-27-91 1190 <--> 1192
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EUREKA!!!
If anyone is interested, the Paradise VGA Pro is an excellent display
board and all my Copperfield captures run in near photo quality with
VPIC slideshow anytime I'm not using my computer at work.
Msg #1192 Dated 23:32:19 04-27-91 1190 <--> 1199
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: EUREKA!!!
OK, will go ahead and release it from the "holding tank" so that others
can see it. I will try running it under another display program to see
if I can get a clearer image. Targa 16 is a nice capture board! We
used ComputerEyes at Desert Magic. Live!(tm) on the Amiga is a VERY
GOOD "board" but I've had problems converting the Amiga captures to
PCX, so we don't use it for transportable images.
Msg #1194 Dated 23:36:01 04-27-91 1023 <--> 1203
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIVIA QUIZ!!
#7 did seem alot later than the other ones. Just something about the
way it's written
Msg #1195 Dated 23:36:55 04-27-91 1040 <--> 1197
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
A-S-uh, C, er Uh -A-N-I-O, MAYBE!
Msg #1197 Dated 23:40:39 04-27-91 1195 <--> 1204
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: CARD ON TRAIN WINDOW...
Thanks! Now if I can only remember that.
Msg #1198 Dated 23:38:18 04-27-91 1043 <-
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GENII SUBSCRIPTION
One wonders whether Eugene Berger's magic might be better suited to a
Halloween/October issue. I've been getting GENII at magic stores, and
have noticed the great difference Dante has made! If you're becoming a
magician again, I hear there's a superb musical chair prediction effect
in the April issue that's easy to do, and very effective and versatile.
Must have been a great guy to come up with that one (OOOH, sudden burst
of ego!).
My issues date back to the David Copperfield issue back in June, 1988.
Can't wait to have it come to me, instead of vice-versa.
Msg #1199 Dated 23:43:56 04-27-91 1192 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: EUREKA!!!
The file T_WINDOW.PCX, a video capture by David Vanvranken, is now
available in the files area.
Msg #1200 Dated 23:46:46 04-27-91 1069 <--> 1201
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
The best Mac advice is to get an Amiga. While the Mac may put
comporably priced computers to shame, the Amiga is putting professional
systems like the Quantel Paintbox.
As a matter of fact, at the MacWorld Expo here in SF, the Amiga was the
star of the show! When a local TV station did a story on it, most of
the story centered around the Amiga! On the Amiga they were running the
Video Toaster. The toaster manipulates video images on a broadcast
quality scale. Even most major ADO effects! And it won't be coming out
for the Mac, because it would entail at the very least putting the
Amiga on a card for the Mac!
If he still persists in using a Mac, tell him to try EggHead software.
They have many excellent communications progs for the Mac!
-Amiga Devotee Scott Cram
Msg #1201 Dated 0:14:15 04-28-91 1200 <--> 1205
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
Hopefully, we won't start a "computer war" here on MAGIC! I'm an Amiga
devottee too, but let's keep it to magic, OK?
Msg #1203 Dated 0:37:42 04-28-91 1194 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: TRIVIA QUIZ!!
Tarbell 7, I think, was written by Harry Lorayne for Tannen.
Msg #1204 Dated 0:38:25 04-28-91 1197 <--> 1210
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ASCANIO
Trivia answer (I know there was no question, but I'm tired, it is
pastmidnight here in the top corner of the Left Coast (Seattle) and can
you believe the bar in the Holiday Inn is CLOSED (I brought my flask),
Oh, the answer. A Judge. The question. What does Arturo Ascanio do for
a living?
Msg #1205 Dated 0:40:31 04-28-91 1200 <--> 1209
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
A freind of mine sells all kinds of compters and HE SAYS THE AMIGA is
the hot tip! He is in Redondo Beach, TRW brain country.
Msg #1207 Dated 0:47:23 04-28-91
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: GENII MAGAZINES
Genii Magazine sells back issues of Genii
Magazine
Msg #1208 Dated 0:57:05 04-28-91 -> 1470
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: GENII
We had the same inquiry from Paul Daniels. But,
If I had the original I wouldn't part with it.
I am holding on to my copy as it is. It was
from the L.A. reader which is distributed free
throughout L.A. as you probably know. In a year
it will be yellow and faded but I thought it
appropriate. M.W. Wuerker is the artist. You
could have Bob check with the L.A. Reader.
Please do not say you saw it in Genii.
Msg #1209 Dated 1:10:36 04-28-91 1029 <--> 1211
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
I believe the "Microphone II" program works
with a portable Mac.
Msg #1210 Dated 1:46:33 04-28-91 1204 <--> 1378
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ASCANIO
I KNEW someone was gonna do that! Do you figure he came up with the
Ascanio Spread one lazy afternoon during a boring case? Lotta room
behind that raised bench, you know.
Msg #1211 Dated 1:50:10 04-28-91 1209 <--> 1263
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
THANK YOU, Dante! Microphone II is a communications program that will
allow a Mac to connect to MAGIC! As you said, don't know if it runs on
the Mac portable.
Msg #1212 Dated 1:51:44 04-28-91 1149 <--> 1213
From: T A WATERS
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
As to Houdini's prowess as a magician -- for most of us it would be
theorizing, since we have only seen films of him, and not very good
ones at that. As far as an escapologist being a magician -- I would
say not. In the Selbit Siberian Chain Escape, for example, or the
Kellar tie, something odd is going on, but it isn't magic; in the
latter you don't know how the performer is putting his hand back into
the tight ropes, but there's no sense of impossibility, only of skill.
Escapology is a related art -- but in most cases can't be classified as
magic.
Msg #1213 Dated 1:55:30 04-28-91 1169 <--> 1423
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
I feel that escape artists, like mentalists, are performers in vaguely
related arts -- but I don't think that mentalism or escapes are
branches of magic any more than musical comedy is a branch of opera.
They may at times use some of the same techniques, but they are quite
different theatrical arts.
Msg #1215 Dated 5:05:33 04-28-91 -> 1258
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HOUDINI'S MAGIC
All the contemporary newspaper reviews that I have read, along with
those whom I have interviewed who saw Houdini perform magic said that
he was a very fine magician. He may not have been great like Keller,
but with his brand of showmanship, he made the impossible possible.
As for film. I have almost two hours of Houdini film taken off 35mm
prints. Clear as a bell. These are a little of everything. Home
movies, newsreels, outtakes from his films, etc. (I have Keller doing
his rope tie.)
Msg #1225 Dated 12:14:59 04-28-91 -> 1264
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: RDMAGIC PROGRAM
David - here is an alpha version of RDMAGIC, it works pretty well.
The README file is just a thought, see what you think.
The MAGC0428.LOG file is what I captured last night and converted
into MAGC0428.TXT. You can use F for finding a word in any message. e.g
'coin' will give you the first message containing the word coin, N will
give the Next, etc.
The right/left arrows allow you to walk through a thread. There is one
slight problem though. The threads aren't consistant. E.G. Msg #795
shows 620 <- 795 -> 797, however Msg #792 shows 500 <- 792 -> 795.
So that if you are on 792, going right gives you 795, but you can't
go back (<-) to 792, you go back to 500 instead - Any thoughts.
Sorry it took so long to get this thing going, but I had a pointer
problem that caused the program to crash the system sometimes. I
finally found it last night - C pointer problems are nasty to find,
the compiler and debugger just can't help.
Try this program out and let me know what you think, if you are at
the lecture today, maybe we will get a chance to talk.
Bye for now - Burton the Bizzare
Msg #1228 Dated 15:42:13 04-28-91 -> 1234
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FFFF
There's a meeting today to see if the Forks will survive.
It looks doubtful, but.....
Last night we (Ray Mertz, Doc Eason and ) closed the
Forks Hotel for the last time after the 21st Annual FFFF
Convention.
Gazzo Makee does the best Cups and Balls I've ever seen.
This I witnessed while Gazoo (from Boston) was performing for a
lay audience. His triple finale leaves six large oranges and a
cantalope on the table. Doc tolde me he watched this routine from
three different vantage points and missed the cantalope load each
time.
You'll have to ask one of the other MAGIC! bbsers who was
there to tell you about the lectures and formal shows because I
spent most of my time in the bar one on one mostly learning the
correct grip with which to deal bottoms from Gary Plants (thanx a
million Gary for your help and I'll get back to you after I've
perfected the first step as outlined), Mike O'Dowd, Gazzo and a
couple of others. The three best (whom I got to work with) all
did it basically the same way and is indetectable when done with
the proper rhythm.
Saw friends Lou Gallo, Harrison Carroll, Keith Walker,
Randy DiMarco, Joe Ryan, Ray Mertz, Doc Eason, Mike O'Dowd, Ed
Eckl and had a chance to meet some potential friends too and to
talk with a few more about joining us here...Daryl said he'd be
signing on when he gets in from this road trip around mid may.
I cannot describe (even if you've been before) the final
chapter in Forks history. The room was absolutely electric and
people were saying goodbye to the walls, floors, and the
horseshoe bar where Eddie entertained so many.
Ray Mertz did the last behind the bar set which was video
taped as Ray was one of the fine Fork's magicians mentored by
Eddie. Ray worked Saturday nights there for years before
branching into lecturing and corporate work.
Msg #1229 Dated 15:46:26 04-28-91 -> 1358
From: ERIC RONNE
To: ALL
Re: VEGAS SHOWS
I would like info about shows currently running in Vegas. I have
friends who're going this weekend and want to see some magic. If
anybody knows (and I'm sure many of you do!) who's playing where (and
for not a whole lot of money! i.e. not S&R), could you give me a
message? Thanks!
Msg #1230 Dated 16:21:15 04-28-91 1036 <--> 1266
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
Good Photo's (my other hobby and of 30 yrs not just 1 1/2 is
photography) can be had two ways. In either case look at the
photographers work to see if their style matches what you want.
.
1. You can hire a good professional and pay full fare. A pro should
guarantee his work and if get the right guy you will be pleased. Be
sure he is into promo work and has done what you want before. This is
especially true if you are looking for off beat lighting or special
effects.
.
2. If you can't afford a pro and still want good work try a local
camera club. Some of the "amateurs" there moonlight and any good
camera clubs will have some folks who can help. To find out about them
see your local photo store (not K-Mart the place they sell the pro
stuff) and they will give you a number. For standard portraits and the
usual these folks will be as good and maybe better than the pro's but
the range is likely to be more limited. Camera club competition does
not reward originality, but it does produce technically competent
photogs.
.
The same camera store you talked to about the camera club can put you
onto a good custom photo finisher. Prices are higher than K-Mart, but
if you get a good one the quality will be better too. You may have to
shop around here. I know some local custom shops that do a super job
and some that make K-Mart look good. Ask to see samples.
.
Also, another word of advice. Make sure you own the negatives and that
you have full rights of reproduction. Especially with a pro he may
want to own the negatives and then the only way to get more prints is
to come back to him.....very expensive.
.
Oh yea, third way...invest $5000 in camera gear and another $3000 in a
good darkroom as well as a few years of practice (sound familiar) and
do your own......
.
Randy
Msg #1233 Dated 18:23:40 04-28-91 1182 <--> 1235
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FFFF
Wayne,
I did have fun. Actually, one of the best times magic
yet. The thing that I really appreciated were being approached by
some of magic's "young lions" because they recognized my name
(name tag) from reading stuff from MAGIC! which is evidently
being passed around.
Tried to keep ya'll posted on what was going on, but
appologize for the sloppy work I did. I have an reason, but my
dad drummed into me as a kid "there are no excuses" so I'll skip
them and will try to get a good portable rig for my next solo
jaunt.
The Fork's closing was unadvertised and was a surprise to
many who attended this year thinking it was just another 4F. The
bar was open under duress and I've gotta hand it to the staff
there for taking such good, friendly care of everybody. Obie
O'Brien is a doll and runs the show like a camp counselor with
his whistle. The talent in that old building was simply
staggering, humbling, gratifying, mystifying and friendly.
Ray Mertz commented that if a Scud hit the Forks that
Saturday night it would set Close-up Magic back a hundred years
and in a lotta waze he's right.
Must admit, that if I ever hear another table hopper (no
names, but I know) being downright sexist and degrading to women
in the manner I observed at the table next to mine I'll step in
(her husband didn't but I bet he has an extreme dislike for ALL
magicians now) and break his wand, stomp his chop cup and shred
his cards. Oh yeah, NO MORE 4 ACE TRICKS EVER. Pleeeeeaaassseeee.
The real work was quietly going on in small groups all
over the building and I was LUCKY enuff to have some of the
coolest guys stop by and visit (and help) the tabman with the
Mechanics Grip.
Buffalo, NY has an amazing concentration of magicians and
lovers of magic I've witnessed outside the LA area and I guess
this too is a tribute to the late Eddie Fechter and his love for
the art and the ease with which he initiated the fortunate few
who made the pilgrimage to the Forks and stayed.
I am convinced that Fechter's Finger Flinging Frolic will
live on and continue to be one of the best Close-up conventions
in magic though it probably won't (I will not dismiss the
possibility that the boys from Buffalo will again do the
impossible and reserect the Forks Hotel a third time) be at The
Forks again. They've already started scouting new locations in
Buffalo, but it just won't be the same.
When I first got there (before anyone else just about)
and took a look at the building I wanted to come on back home,
but when THESE MAGICIANS started arriving the building took on a
splendor unequalled by even the Taj Mahal. IT IS THE PEOPLE that
make it what it is. These Buffalo guys loved Eddie and what he
did for them by helping them become great. THEY WILL KEEP IT
GOING.
Yes, I had fun but more than that I learned something
else about what I call HEART. When The Forks was full of these
special people, the fallen plaster and sagging floors vanished
and appearing in their place were polished hardwood and crystal
orbs of light.
Uh oh, here comes Obie with his whistle. The final show
is about to start.
Your friend,
the tabman
Msg #1234 Dated 18:25:25 04-28-91 1228 <--> 1240
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Sounds like you were at one of the great moments in magic history!
The other would have been OPENING NIGHT!
Msg #1235 Dated 18:28:50 04-28-91 1233 <--> 1239
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
yo... GREAT WORDS... Obie, being a Hockey Coach, probably has lotsa
whistles. Hey, Abbott's (before their address was permanent) put their
conventions on IN A TENT! However, you hit it when you said, "it's the
people!"
Msg #1236 Dated 20:33:09 04-28-91 -> 1241
From: GARY OUELLET
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WELCOME
Thanks Tabman - nice meeting you - and your close up tables look great!
Msg #1237 Dated 20:51:30 04-28-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: DEALING TOPS
It was good meeting you in Buffalo. I found the guy with
the dimes and quarters you told me about, thanks. I'll work on
that top deal and holler at you when I'm ready for some addl
work.
Some weekend. Just like being at the Veranda Bar at the
Colonial Hotel, Saigon in '71. There for a while I could see the
ceiling fans spinning and the cycle-o traffic blurring by on
Saigon's main drag outside. Intense is what I'm saying. Some neat
time with you guys. Thanks for everything.
Msg #1239 Dated 20:55:24 04-28-91 1235 <--> 1286
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FFFF
I'll say it again and I feel it more now that I'm back in the computer
cubby, part of it all if you know what I mean. I was upstairs about 2am
Sun morning after most cleared out with the guys who made the Forks
along with Eddie Fechter and it was like being in the choir room of a
gospel church at the end of a big revival. My hat and my heart are off
and open.
Msg #1240 Dated 20:57:43 04-28-91 1234 <--> 1265
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FFFF
Thats it. I only read about the first and I'm so glad I was there for
the 21st. Amen.
Msg #1241 Dated 20:58:18 04-28-91 1236 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY OUELLET
Re: WELCOME
Thanks Gary, but the pleasure was all mine. It was excellent meeting
you. It was a great weekend and one I know I'll always remember. Like
the man said, "I'm just proud to be here."
Msg #1242 Dated 21:23:59 04-28-91 -> 1249
From: BILL WELLS
To: ALL
Re: BE BACK SHORTLY
To everyone who has recently sent me a message and gotten no
response...I have just been very, very busy! I have captured the
message base and will be back with responses in the next day or so.
Don't hang up!!
Bill
Msg #1243 Dated 22:36:51 04-28-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: BIRO LETTER #4
<< PETE BIRO LETTERHEAD >>
.
undated.
.
FRED! YOU ARE BEHIND! TODAY I GOT YOUR LETTER... LAST NIGHT I FINALLY
GAVE UP AND TOOK THE PILES OF BOOKS MAGAZINES, TRICKS AND GIMMICKS
THAT I HAVE GATHERED ALL THIS SUMMER AND LITERALLY SHOVED THEM INTO A
BIG BOX AND TOOK THEM DOWN IN THE BASEMENT TO REST UNTIL THE WINTER!
.
I have had no time at all to sort things out! I went to the Buffalo
Convention then, as you know, Hawai and then to Abbotts, all after
Europe! Then taking pictures has been busy, and I had to combine a
couple of trips to Atlanta and went back to Cleveland to do a show,
etc. etc....
.
Ken <> wrote me telling me what a great time he had with you.
He should get out of the studio more often!
.
Glad you liked the GHOST DEAL! Will up-date you with better
instrcution sheets we are getting printed this week. There is a
version with a Zarrow shuffle face up face down instead of the slop
shuffle....also Cervon handling which is different. I don't know
if it is as commercial, as it is a bit slow at the climax point...
but you can try it. Ken ordered 100 sets for the Margate convention.
So Martin <> is working like mad. Did you get the
version of roughing fluid on backs so you can show the cards on both
sides??? We will send you a new set soon anyway.
.
Ken saw your Egg bag <> and wants one from Martin for
he and Frank <>.
<>
Too bad the ring effect is so slow coming... when you advertise and
cannot deliver it has a bad effect on business.
.
Marconick is here, we did a tourist bit over the last week-end. Emil
<> had him come over with a promise of 15 lectures, plus
Tannen's...but it turned out to be only 5 lectures...so Nick is not
overjoyed. He lectures tonight in Sacramento for Bob Brown. I tried
to call him, but he left already and is flying there. I should have
told him earlier not to, as it is only an hour and fifteen minutes
drive by car!!
.
(Just rang his hotel, but he checked out)
.
LECTURE NOTES: <> OK, WILL CHECK ON THE
STACK OF PRINTED STUFF OVER ON THE DESK AND SENT WHAT I HAVE TO YOU.
I SENT KEN A COUPLE OF DOZEN BUT NEVER HEARD IF HE GOT THEM. There
was a line left out of the ASCANIO SPREAD trick.... got one letter,
so I sent the boy the correct work. I put the fact into the magazine
"Son of Bat" so that anybody that got it, I will send the right
info!
.
Have a possible series of trade shows to do. Not 100% but a good
change...good $$$ too. I flew to Cleveland Ohio and did a cocktail
party for a racing client, who has a group of 5 trade shows and he
liked the things I did...so if the company gives him the OK, I will
do the shows. They figure they can pay $600 plus travel, etc. for
3 days at each of 5 shows...maybe more??? This would be worth doing!
.
Topper Martin comes for "It's Magic". Johnny Thompson too, if he is
available. I saw Johnny and Norm Nielsen on the Carrol Channing show
in Reno...TERRIFIC! See you in Paris???
.
Signed Pete.
.
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
| These letters will remain the personal propery of Dick Koornwinder,|
| trustee of the FRED KAPS collection. |
| Copyright 1991 by Dick Koornwinder. All rights reserved. |
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
Msg #1244 Dated 22:37:32 04-28-91 -> 1253
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: BIRO LETTER #5
<< PETE BIRO LETTERHEAD >>
.
Dated: 20 September 1972.
.
Fred:
.
Derek Dingle was here last week and did, what I consider, the finest
version of the MacDonald Aces I have ever seen. Basically the same
particularity at the finish.... but the best LEAD-IN with no monkey
moves or face-up face-down piles!
.
SET-UP: Remove the 4-Aces from the deck. Place them face-up on table,
from face to back the order is D-C-H-S. (the old Delands Card Have
Superiority memory system). Then in hand the double faced ACES front
to back Ace of Diamonds, Clubs and Haert. Turn these over onto the
face-up deck with spot sides showing. (Remove the duplicate spot
cards from the top section of the deck, so they do not show up).
You can , if you wish, add-on the three fakes, and cull-out the
regular Aces. Put Aces on face of deck.
.
Take each Ace, one-at-a-time, and drop Face down onto table. This
shows face and back. Ace of spades is last. Keep a neat pile,
squared. Then you just count 12 face up cards from the face of the
deck onto the face-down aces. However, as you count the 4th (first
non faked card) onto the pile, you jog it down about one-half inch.
Continue to deal, so that is the only down-jogged card.
Carefully pick-up all card (Aces and 12 face-up cards), turn them
over in your hands, square-up, with Ace of Diamonds at the face.
As you square, get a break below the jogged card (note: above break
you have from top to bottom, four normal Aces, the three fakes,
Aces showing, one X-card, back showing. Below break: 8 X-cards).
.
THE SWITCH (BEAUTIFUL): Holding all cards above break in right hand,
thumb at rear, fingers at front, thumb off onto left hand: face down
cards, the Ace of Diamonds, then Clubs, then Hearts, then drop Ace
of spades, and the fakes under it, onto the packet. Immediately
spread the top 4 cards into a fan, on the packet, showing the Ace
of Spades on top, followed by 3 fake-Aces and the face down X-card
hides the three face-up normal aces. THIS WILL FOOL YOU AS YOU DO
ITT!!!
.
Deal the four Aces onto the table, Spade where you want it as the
leader! Turn packet in your hand face-up. Now you casually show all
the faces as being different cards, and seemingly all the backs. In
straddle grip, cards in right hand, peel off the FACE AND THE REAR
cards at same time into the left hand, follow by counting off about
3 more, single handedly. Flop the five cards in left hand to a
face-down position (you can flip-over with remaining cards in the
right hand) and DROP remaining cards from right hand onto those in
the left. Then continue thumbing off the rest of the face-up cards,
until you come to backs showing in right hand. Then flop them
face-down and drop the face-down cards from right hand onto them.
(You now have all cards in hand face-down, the 3 normal Aces on top,
nine X-cards below).
You cover the stop-and-go counting with patter. Turn these cards all
face-up.
.
Left little finger can pull-down and you get a break above the 3 Aces
at bottom of packet. (or you can thumb count - whatever).
.
Again, with right hand in straddle grip, pull-off into the left hand
the face-card and undercover the three Aces from the bottom all at
the same time counting "One". To mask the Aces under the top face
card, it should be jogged forward a very slight amount. Now thumb onto
the face another counting "Two", then another, counting "Three"
As you count three... the right hand cards move over all six cards
in the left hand, stealing the three cards just counted - in a
"squaring-up action" and at the same time the left hand moves away
with the three ACES, pivoted backs up, quickly, as hand comes away
and casually drop them onto the Aces of Spades.
.
Faking the same kind of action, merely count off 3 cards and drop onto
each face-up, remaining Ace (actually the Double-faced fakes).
.
Use your favorite vanish of the first three Aces. I like to use the
simple buckle turn-over for the first Ace to go. Then pick-up one
face down card to use as a scoop to pick up pile nr. 2 and simple
Elmsley count showing the Ace gone. Then turning them face-up
dropping onto table.
The third Ace I like to vanish ala original one-armed MacDonald
routine in Vernon book. And as a slow-down and sucker bit I pretend
I am going to vanish the final ACE AS WELL, pick up with card as
scoop like 2nd vanish. You Elmsley count, showing Spade has gone (?).
You say "No, it's not gone, it just turned over" You turn the packet
over showing a back, which is the Spade. Hold them in left hand over
and deal the Spade face-up onto the table....then right hand takes
cards from left (still face-down) and turns them up, displaying them
in a fan, which makes a very nice display and strong finish for the
routine.
.
Note: Derek had a far more complex counting and handling, this has
eliminated some of that and gotten just to the bones of the effect
without overworking.
.
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
| These letters will remain the personal propery of Dick Koornwinder,|
| trustee of the FRED KAPS collection. |
| Copyright 1991 by Dick Koornwinder. All rights reserved. |
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
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Msg #1246 Dated 22:38:51 04-28-91 -> 1250
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LINKING RINGS
- Messages to/from US ---------------------------------- LOCAL008 -
Msg : 175 of 176 Loc
From : Tommy Wonder 25 Apr 91 00:52:00
To : Pete Biro
Subj : Linking Rings
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Pete,
As you may know I am not at all an expert on the rings. But I do
know there are two moves by Harbin which do not seem to be very well
known. These you can find in Harbincadabra on page 66. They are
absolutely incredible!!! If you do not have that book I can send you
a fax of these pages.
I feel your book should include these moves, because they are so
great and should not get lost. So I suggest you get permission of
the publishers of Harbincadabra. May be you already know these moves,
but I felt I should tell you, just in case.
.
Kind regards, Tommy..
Msg #1248 Dated 22:39:44 04-28-91 -> 1252
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOTELS IN LAUSANNE
- Dutch language/Nederlands ------------------------- LOCAL006 -
Msg : 171 of 191 + 172 Loc
From : Arnaud Van.Rietschoten 17 Apr 91 20:04:00
To : All
Subj : Hotels in Lausanne
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Via a local contact in Lausanne we received a short list of cheap
Hotels. Problem is that I don't know if they have space for the
FISM period. Majority of the MAGIC!-NL is based in Hotel Regina,
a cheap hotel in Lausanne. We recently booked the Hotel via the
organisation so they still have free rooms.
.
HOTEL TEL PRIJS 1 pers 2pers
==================================================
La Foret 021-379211 SFR 50 SFR 90
Alagare 021-6179252 SFR 100 SFR 160
Le Chalet 021-205206 SFR 55 SFR 75-87
Voyageurs 021-231902 SFR 110 SFR 145-155
.
If you are in the position to fly to Amsterdam from the US, why
not join us in the MAGIC! train from Amsterdam to Lausanne. With
a group of minimal 10 we will train to Switzerland, with Tommy
Wonder and Dick Koornwinder among them. I expect train fare will
be ca. $200 for a return ticket.
Let me know ASAP if you are really interested in joining us in this
train, because then I will check on the exact prices.
.
Arnaud
Msg #1249 Dated 22:44:22 04-28-91 1242 <--> 1280
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BE BACK SHORTLY
Easy for you to say!
Msg #1250 Dated 22:48:03 04-28-91 1246 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: LINKING RINGS
Thanks much. I have the book and will check and see! Nice to year from
you. Hope to come to FISM. Bye.
Msg #1252 Dated 22:50:11 04-28-91 1248 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: HOTELS IN LAUSANNE
I have to check my schedule as I must be working all day 6 July in
California. Can fly over 7 July. When does train go from Amsterdam?
Msg #1253 Dated 22:53:03 04-28-91 1244 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BIRO LETTER #5
You will not believe it, but I have been looking all over my notes
trying to find this routine, so I can work on it!! Ah the miracle of
Computers!!! Thanks.
Msg #1256 Dated 23:06:30 04-28-91 -> 1260
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRAIN NL-CH
We plan to leave the Sunday before the convention i.e. 7 july.
Msg #1257 Dated 23:56:05 04-28-91 1138 <--> 1270
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: HOUDINI
I frequently pass a large estate/mansion on Laurel Canyon in Los
Angeles that someone told be belonged to Houdini. It was in disrepair
for many years, but I noticed recently it was being renovated.
Was this Houdini's main residence?
Msg #1258 Dated 0:29:57 04-29-91 1215 <--> 1274
From: T A WATERS
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: HOUDINI'S MAGIC
Well -- newspaper accounts are one thing, being there is another. I
have seen many rave reviews for performers I didn't think had even the
barest competency. I am not saying this is necessarily the case with
Houdini, but it is something to think about.
Msg #1260 Dated 1:06:11 04-29-91 1256 <--> 1271
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: TRAIN NL-CH
Excellent suggestion that the MAGIC! members join the MAGIC-NL members
for the train and lodgings. Sure wish I could be there - maybe next
time.
Travelers from the U.S. can obtain a Eurail Pass for much less than
buying tickets in Europe. Do you know if the U.S. Pass can be used for
that trip?
Msg #1261 Dated 1:27:09 04-29-91 -> 1345
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: VITO LUPO
Can't go to bed tonite without putting together my notes on Vito
Lupo's lecture today at the Magic Castle.
The first two rows and part of the third were occupied almost
entirely by MAGIC! members. Prior to the lecture, it was fun to
hear everyone talking about messages they'd read and tips on
uploading and downloading. Confuses the heck out of the, er,
shall I call 'em "lay-magi?" Other MAGIC! members were spread
throughout the room - T A Waters and Max Maven were up in the
back. Of course, going to lectures at the Castle is always
interesting - there were no seats left so one of the attendees,
Johnnathan Pendragon, was sitting on the floor!
Vito did a GREAT lecture. He said that PREPARATION is the key to
doing great magic. Not just making sure the props are in the
right places, but that you are mentally and physically prepared to
start your show. He outlined some breathing exercises, some moves
to relax and stimulate your muscles, and discussed the need for
positive mental imagery.
He said that finger exercises are particularly important to
increase the flow of blood to your hands - "Your hands are your
tools."
He also suggested that you frequently rehearse your act
BLINDFOLDED in order to learn to LOOK AT THE AUDIENCE and NOT your
props. He said that you should "focus on work" when on-stage
(work being providing entertainment for your audience).
Vito is a master at delivering quotable lines in a lecture. Here
are just a few samples:
"The more comfortable the performer is, the more comfortable the
audience is."
"The best way to keep a secret is to put it in a book."
"I do not want to fool my audience as much as I want to entertain
them - I'm not supposed to be a puzzle."
"Chances are, magicians are at their best when little accidents
happen" (This delivered as he picked up a dropped prop from the
floor during the lecture portion).
On "secrets" - "The more you spill, the more you let in."
On assistants - "The days of butlers and slaves are over."
"If I were to be shipwrecked on an island, I'd want to bring a
thumbtip." (This concept could make an interesting MAGIC!
discussion).
And my favorite - "Magic is a far richer craft than pulling a
rabbit out of a hat. Done properly, it is Masterpiece Theater."
Msg #1263 Dated 1:32:34 04-29-91 1209 <--> 1316
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
One of our Mac using members has been testing several of the Mac
communications programs. He will be reporting on his results in about
a week or so.
Msg #1264 Dated 1:36:19 04-29-91 1225 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC PROGRAM
It was great to get a chance to spend time with you after the lecture.
Will take a look at the new version of the program ASAP.
Msg #1265 Dated 1:38:30 04-29-91 1228 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Thanks for the FFFF reports, Tabby. Sounds like the old place got a
terrific good-bye party and that a great time was had by all.
Msg #1266 Dated 1:41:17 04-29-91 1230 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGIC
Thanks for the suggestions, Randy. And just for the record, I don't
take my film to K-Mart... there is this very nice little one hour shop
around the corner...
Msg #1270 Dated 3:20:39 04-29-91 1257 <--> 1272
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HOUDINI
Houdini NEVER lived in that mansion on Laurel Canyon!!! In 1935-36
Mrs. Houdini lived in a bungalow on the property below the mansion.
>From thats where Mrs Houdini lives .. over the years it became .. thats
where Houdini lived . A fire around 1959 destoyed the mansion and
the bungalow. (or bungalows, as there may have been more then one.)
The owner of the property keeps the myth going as she is trying to sell
it for mucho money using Houdini's name. When Houdini was in Los
Angeles he was Kellar's guest.
Msg #1271 Dated 7:59:16 04-29-91 1256 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: TRAIN NL-CH
OK will get back to you. Do I need Reservations? Does someone have a
room with two beds already and ONE EMPTY? AT FISM?
Msg #1272 Dated 8:00:15 04-29-91 1257 <--> 1273
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HOUDINI
It might be. If so get a pic to Lichtman to digitize.
Msg #1273 Dated 8:00:58 04-29-91 1270 <--> 1313
From: PETE BIRO
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: HOUDINI
Manny, thanks for clearing up the MYTH. I had always believed the
story.
Msg #1274 Dated 8:01:31 04-29-91 1258 <--> 1350
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HOUDINI'S MAGIC
Gee, who would rave about a poor act?
Msg #1278 Dated 8:15:25 04-29-91
From: ERIC RONNE
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
Burt, I use a Mac for a living, and my communications package is the
previously mentioned Microphone. I'm pretty certain that it--as well as
almost any Mac program--will run on portables. Maybe you should wait to
hear from David L and his contact, however. PS--the muscle pass
application that Fleshman used was that very same "falling up" one, and
it is fantastic, isn't it?! later
Msg #1280 Dated 9:13:44 04-29-91 1249 <--> 1298
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BE BACK SHORTLY
Sorry...even MORE sorry that I forgot to mail you advance on the FIZZUM
situation we discussed last week....I completely forgot about it in the
midst of everything else...needless to say...IT is now in the mail.
Msg #1283 Dated 12:04:52 04-29-91 -> 1288
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: NEED ONE MORE
I need one more order for _THAVANT_ to make the minimum order required
from the publisher. Anyone interested?
Msg #1286 Dated 13:31:12 04-29-91 1233 <--> 1289
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Wishing I coulda been there, ol' buddy....sounds like my kinda
goings-on! Thanks for sharing it with us.
Msg #1288 Dated 14:21:12 04-29-91 1283 <--> 1301
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: NEED ONE MORE
I've been thinking about it so count me in.
Msg #1289 Dated 14:21:43 04-29-91 1286 <--> 1421
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FFFF
You're welcome. It was great being there.
Msg #1293 Dated 14:57:00 04-29-91 -> 1295
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
>>> TABBY CRABB TO BE IN LOS ANGELES!!! <<<
>>> SPECIAL MAGIC! LUNCHEON PLANNED!!! <<<
YES! THE TABMAN, MAGIC!'s 1991 Golden Diskette co-honoree, is
going to be visiting Los Angeles on MAY 17TH, 1991. Let's give
him a real MAGIC! welcome with lunch at the Magic Castle, starting
at 11:30 a.m.
If you will be able to attend this special event, please let me
know as soon as possible. I've booked places for 14 people and
requested the Houdini Room. It has a fixed number of seats, so
once they are gone, they're gone. Check your calendar
immediately! You don't want to miss this one!
Msg #1295 Dated 16:09:00 04-29-91 1293 <--> 1303
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
I, for one, wouldn't miss it. Will even wear my yellow MAGIC button.
Reserve a seat for me.
Msg #1298 Dated 16:30:17 04-29-91 1280 <--> 1374
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BE BACK SHORTLY
Famous last woids. Did you call joe about the Peller scratch?
Msg #1301 Dated 16:32:32 04-29-91 1288 <--> 1306
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEED ONE MORE
Is it really "SAVANT" pronounced with a lisp?
Msg #1303 Dated 16:33:38 04-29-91 1293 <--> 1310
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
Count me OUT! Will be in Indiana... unless I can get a redeye and...
nah, doubt it. Make sure you all go to comedy magic club in hermosa
Msg #1305 Dated 16:34:47 04-29-91 -> 1325
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID WILLIAMSON (X)
Re: FFFF
David,
Very good to meet you at FFFF. Thanks for saying hello. Your
beer bottle trick has already seen action down here in So. MD, but
Gloria won't let me near her beer again. Guess I'll have to invite
someone over. A great weekend!
Msg #1306 Dated 16:43:00 04-29-91 1301 <--> 1314
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEED ONE MORE
I have no idea what it means. All I know is the guys stuff is good.
Msg #1310 Dated 19:16:18 04-29-91 1293 <--> 1318
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
Reserve a space for me please.
Msg #1313 Dated 19:30:58 04-29-91 1270 <--> 1544
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: HOUDINI
Interestingt appears they have sold the mansion, so perhaps they
will cease to spread erranwt Houdini-info!
Thanks-
Msg #1314 Dated 19:36:51 04-29-91 1301 <--> 1315
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEED ONE MORE
Peeth, you thouldn't make thfun of p-people withh a thpeeth
imp-pedimenth
Msg #1315 Dated 19:38:28 04-29-91 1301 <--> 1326
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEED ONE MORE
Michael Weber of "Inside Magic" calls this the latest book in the
"lisp" series, but says that it probably would have been more aptly
named "Backthide" as all of the miracles in this tome are performed
with your back to the audience.
Msg #1316 Dated 19:50:27 04-29-91 1201 <--> 1317
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
Just having a little fun. Resolved, computers are computers. I still
recommend that he try EggHead software (if he has them where he lives)
for the communication software. They might be able to help him find
something. I wonder how he managed to get a modemo without
communication software though? Mac shareware is another good idea for
comm. software.
Msg #1317 Dated 19:53:09 04-29-91 1205 <--> 1339
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
I was just razzing him. The Amiga is a great computer, though! I
actually got fired from a computer sales job for recommending only the
Amiga to customers! I'd do it all over again! In my letter about this
to Dr. L, I mentioned some possible areas the Mac guy could find some
excellent software for his modem, though.
Msg #1318 Dated 20:21:38 04-29-91 1293 <--> 1322
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
Friday the 17th is an off-week for my regular Castle Lunch Gang, so the
Houdini room very well may be available.
I'll be there, barring a last-minute schedule conflict.
If you can reserve a seat for me under that condition, please do.
I cannot give you an iron-clad commitment, as my schedule is usually
given to me by my agent between 6:00 and 6:30pm the evening before.
Hope you understand.
I'm greatly looking forward to having Tabman right here in Smog City!
Msg #1320 Dated 20:34:01 04-29-91 -> 1323
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: BURP
A pleasure, as always, to munch a tostada with you and yours. Many
thanks for the delivery of my auction book. (AND THANKS TO YOU TOO,
MR. BIRO!) Will commence the download of the Magic! files and the task
we talked about. Oh, by the way, please hold a seat for me at the
Magic! luncheon on the 17th. Will spend one of my precious vacation
days. Can't let the Tabman get outta town without first seeing his
world famous TOP DEAL!
Msg #1322 Dated 21:14:09 04-29-91 1318 <--> 1329
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
Wheeez.
Msg #1323 Dated 21:14:38 04-29-91 1320 <--> 1327
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: BURP
Absolutely looking forward to it.
Msg #1325 Dated 21:19:51 04-29-91 1305 <--> 1737
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
YO... past 55 pages of solid stuff!
Msg #1326 Dated 21:20:26 04-29-91 1314 <--> 1335
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: NEED ONE MORE
Rokay. You Crever Ferrow. Seriously, I have a ticket in my files for a
lecture I did in Tokyo. Tickets says: RECTURE
Msg #1327 Dated 21:22:46 04-29-91 1320 <--> 1340
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: BURP
Taborino also told me (Gosh I hope he didn't want this kept under
wraps) he was working on the 52 card lift.
Msg #1329 Dated 21:45:38 04-29-91 1295 <--> 1330
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
OK, you are on the luncheon list, Marv.
Msg #1330 Dated 21:46:13 04-29-91 1303 <--> 1331
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
OK, Pete - Per your request, you are OFF the luncheon list, unless you
arrive - in which case I'm sure we'll find a place for you, even if I
have to sit in the hallway.
Msg #1331 Dated 21:47:03 04-29-91 1310 <--> 1332
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
Got it, Burt. You are on the Tabby Crabb luncheon list.
Msg #1332 Dated 21:47:49 04-29-91 1318 <--> 1344
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
OK, Wayne - In Hollywood style, we've penciled you in for the luncheon.
Have your computer call our computer to set things up. URP! I guess
your computer DID call our computer...
Msg #1335 Dated 21:53:53 04-29-91 1326 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEED ONE MORE
Recture??? Did you perform that with your backthide to the audience?
Msg #1339 Dated 22:08:02 04-29-91 1316 <--> 1508
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAC ADVICE
Thanks for the info. I don't know about the quality of Mac P.D.
software, but I do know that in the cases of the Amiga and the MS-DOS
machines, the best communications software is either P.D. or Shareware.
We now have one of our members who has volunteered to check out the
different Mac programs and to report back.
Msg #1340 Dated 22:10:28 04-29-91 1320 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: BURP
It was great to have another chance to get together. Frankly, it is so
much fun that I hope that you get all the auction items that come up
here on MAGIC!
You are on the reservations list for the Special Tabman Luncheon. Hope
someone remembers to bring a deck of cards.
Msg #1343 Dated 22:45:52 04-29-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: READ MAGIC
Enjoyed chatting with you at the castle yesterday. I just uploaded the
lastest RDMAGIC1.ZIP. This version is relatively bug free. I think it
may be ready for release to the other members. You should re-zip a
version for release. At a minimum it should should contain RDMAGIC.EXE
and MAGIC.HLP.
I just captured the latest messages and plan to start work on the reply
portion we discussed yesterday. Let me know what your SW people can do
regarding making the reply upload more automatic.
Bye for now - Burton the Bizzare
Msg #1344 Dated 23:13:52 04-29-91 1293 <--> 1348
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
Is the lunch on Friday the 17th? or the next Sunday the 19th?
Msg #1345 Dated 23:41:38 04-29-91 1261 <--> 1349
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
I agree that Vito did present a fine lecture. The castle crowd is
what is known as a 'tough-room'. You can 'feel' the vibes in the
room, by the response the performer(lecturer) is receiving.
The amount of magic 'experience' in that room Sunday probably
amounted to at least several hundred man-years of magic. They are
hard to impress. It was amazing to hear gasps of appreciaiton
coming from such a group. You expect this kind of reaction from
a 'normal' audience, but certainly not from magi who have 'seen'
it all.
I was particuliarly impressed with his knowledge, and use of his
entire body when doing his manipulation of golf balls. I started
reading his theory book last night and am particuliarly interested
in his dicussion on the use of mime principles in magic.
Another interesting point he made was 'eye-contact' with the
audience. At the end of the lecture he stated, "I have made eye
contact with EVERY ONE in the audience". I don't know about the
rest of you, but I definitely remember the 'moment' when he was
talking JUST to me. I have attended lectures where the lecturer
is telling me one thing verbally and something else by his
performance. Vito is one of the most integrated people I have ever
seen lecture.
Some people may turned off by lectures on magic theory and merely
want to see 'tricks'. I for one am more impressed with a lecture
that gets me thinking about what I'm doing with respect to the
principles being presented.
For those of you that were not able to attend the lecture, I
strongly recommend that you make a special effort to see and
hear Vito any chance you get, he will open your mind to new
ideas and ways of improving your performance.
It definitely was Masterpiece Theater.
Burton the Bizzare
Msg #1347 Dated 23:50:15 04-29-91 -> 1401
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: JAMES H MARLER II
Re: ZOMBIE
- Messages to/from US ----------------------------- LOCAL008 -
Msg : 194 of 194 Loc
>From : Tommy Wonder 29 Apr 91 21:53:00
To : Magic-Us
.
Here are some of my thoughts on Zombie.
If you have already followed the advice of Pete Biro may be this
will make you take out that flattened ball and hammer it into
shape again.
.
Fist of all, I think Pete's advice is not bad at all. It is probably
better to try and find an effect which has not been done all that
much, so that you have something a bit more special. However I feel
there are a few things to keep in mind before dismissing the zombie
effect.
.
Zombie may seem hackneyed to magicians, but I am not sure if that
holds true also for a lay audience. Zombie is very well known, also
among the lay public, but it is my experience that if you perform it
well you can not only fool the audience with it, even those who know
about the gimmick, but the audience might not even recognize it,
might not realize this is the same as the "ball on stick" they have
seen before! "Hey, this is the real floating ball! The one where it
is not attached to a stick!" It depends on how well you can disprove
the gimmick. Then the zombie effect becomes a floating ball effect,
I mean the damned thing is just floating,...that is a very strong
effect!
The problem with zombie is not that it is performed to death, the
problem I think is that it is very seldom performed to life!
I mean most of the time the ball just does not float! And then the
trick is the worst, just a ball on a stick. But if the audience
really gets the impression the ball is floating, that there are no
attachments to it, it is still a very good trick to perform, and you
can have a lot of succes with it. But it MUST float!
.
To make the ball float is not so much a matter of a lot of practice.
The point is that you must know exactly how you want the ball to
behave. You must know what makes an object float, how do floating
objects behave. This is more a thing of thinking about the effect
than practicing it before youknow what it is that you want to achieve.
Although not overly complicated it is not easy to really understand
how floating objects behave, since there are no floating objects in
real life. You have to think about a non existing thing. You could
think about a floating object like a balloon which floats in the air.
If you would simulate those "balloon" movements with the zombie ball,
I do not think it will be good, it would look like a balloon. People
might get the idea the ball is filled with gas. Although the overall
effect would be better than when they get the impression that they
are watching a ball on a stick, I think it should not sway and dance
like a balloon.
.
You see, floating objects can go from point A to B with a steady
speed and in a straight line, stopping abruptly at point B, then
suddenly going in a different direction, steady speed, straight line
to point C. There is no reason why floating objects could not do
that. The floating impression is definately not created by swaying,
in fact swaying might destroy the illusion of floatation (giving the
impression of a balloon).
The most important thing is to disprove the gimmick. This is not
easy, it requires a lot of thinking. The best advice in print on how
to disprove the gimmick is in the book "Al Schneider on Zombie".
Although there is a lot more to disproving the gimmick, this book
will get your thoughts started in the right direction. Many ideas on
disproving the gimmick there! A very interesting book!
.
Disproving the gimmick will "disconnect" the ball from you, this will
give the idea that the ball floats. But there is another, rather
subtle, but very important way to "disconnect" the ball from you. It
is mainly psychological. It is the acting. You should try to give the
ball a character, a will of its own. For instance. The ball floats in
front of you and floats to the right and to the back. It sort of
floats against your right arm. The ball stops here, hesitates a bit,
goes a little down to see if it can go underneath your arm, there is
not enough room there so the ball decides to go up and starts to go
further to the back over your arm. Then you follow etc...you get the
picture. The ball has its own will, its own goals. And you react to
what the ball does. The ball goes to the right, your hands start
following it, then while your hands still go to the right suddenly
the ball goes to the left. Then when the ball is already going to the
left, your hands stop moving to the right. At this point the ball
continues to move at still the same speed to the left. Now the hands
move to the left also. Your hands change direction while there is
absolutely no break in the speed of the ball going to the left. The
ball becomes a separate entity. It has its own will, its own
character. It might start to play games with you, evading you or
teasing or whatever.
Here the difficult thing is the acting. It is like playing a scene
with a hand puppet, with both you and the puppet acting at the SAME
time. Zombie really is like puppet playing. To act out two
characters at the same time is extremely difficult! Years ago I
wanted to make a routine with a hand puppet, there would be
interaction between me and the hand puppet. I talked about this with
a professional puppet player who told me to forget it. It is one of
the most difficult things in puppet playing. Many have tried but only
a very few can do it because most of the time when the puppet does
something the player stops acting, and when the player gives his
reactions, the puppet stops acting. You need a split mind to be able
to have both characters act continuously. It can be done,
ventriloquists sometimes find that their puppet sometimes does things
they are surprised about themselves! It can be done, but it is very
difficult and will take a lot of time.
.
So, if you do have a split mind and are willing to put in a lot of
thinking about something abstract like a floating object, if you are
willing to do that before putting in undirected practice of something
you may not understand yet, in that case I would say, take that
flattened ball, get it in shape again, put it on the shelf and start
thinking. Eventually you could end up with a very, very strong
effect. Properly done Zombie is great! It really is. But if you feel
you do not want to put in all the effort, please leave it alone.
Zombie done half way is one of the worst things one can imagine.
.
On how to attach the gimmick to the ball, ach...you will find a
practical way in due time. That's a very small problem compared
to the rest.
.
It is a long story on Zombie, I hope you do not feel I sound like a
schoolmaster. But I feel strongly about this trick. In spite of the
fact that it is held in low esteem by a lot of magicians, it still
has a lot of potential. It CAN be a great effect, even when done
with a ball.
.
Unfortunately, Zombie is very easy to do .... badly.
.
Kind regards Tommy Wonder
Msg #1348 Dated 0:15:15 04-30-91 1344 <--> 1407
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
The Special MAGIC! Luncheon, with Guest of Honor TABBY CRABB, will be
on Friday, May 17th at the Magic Castle. It will begin at 11:30 and
will be limited to 14 people.
Msg #1349 Dated 0:17:20 04-30-91 1345 <--> 1356
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
Thanks for your report, Jerry. You added substantially to the report
I had uploaded earlier.
Msg #1350 Dated 0:18:41 04-30-91 1274 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOUDINI'S MAGIC
Who would rave about a poor act...? Um, I only have 60 minutes here...
Msg #1352 Dated 0:26:03 04-30-91 -> 1353
From: T A WATERS
To: ALL
Re: ZOMBIE WONDER
Anyone interested in Zombie work ought to download message #1347 and
study it carefully -- I have been watching Zombie routines for years,
must have seen hundreds, and Tommy Wonder is the first magician who
made me believe the object is floating. Here is an example of really
priceless advice from someone who definitely knows what he's talking
about.
Msg #1353 Dated 0:31:46 04-30-91 1352 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ZOMBIE WONDER
I agree completely, T A. Just reading Tommy's message gave incredible
insight into the mind of a great magician.
Msg #1356 Dated 1:54:37 04-30-91 1345 <--> 1369
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
I'll certainly concur with the assessment of Vito Lupo's lecture; he
has some excellent ideas, and covers areas which are not often
discussed in lectures.
However, I can't agree with your comment that the Magic Castle
lecture audience comprises a "tough room," nor your comments on the
degree of experience in that group.
Unquestionably, there are some unusually well informed people among
the Castle membership. Too, the average Castle magician has probably
had access to seeing more performers and lecturers than those from most
other communities. Despite that, I think the standard of knowledge and
experience here is not terribly impressive.
Mind you, the Castle members tend to project the _attitude_ that
they've seen it all before -- but that inevitably breaks down whenever
a lecturer does something they're not familiar with -- which is not an
unfrequent occurance.
There was an amusing moment at Vito's lecture, which was somewhat of
a paradox. He tossed out the comment, "The best way to hide something
is to put it in print." The audience responded with the type of
laughter which clearly indicated that, for most, this was a brand new
observation.
Given that this very comment has been in print countless times
before, the obvious conclusion is that this is an audience largely made
up of people who don't read!
...thus proving the point.
Msg #1358 Dated 2:25:15 04-30-91 1229 <--> 1539
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ERIC RONNE (X)
Re: VEGAS SHOWS
When you said this is week end I hope you mean May 4th, if not then this too
late. I recommend the Aladdin show starring Kirby Van Burch. It's only $
19.95 and really one of the best shows in town.
Hope this helps - Burton the Bizzare.
Msg #1367 Dated 8:58:12 04-30-91 -> 1376
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
I had a chance to learn (it will take years to perfect it
probably, but I may get the hang of it) the most incredible false
shuffle ever. Both Doc Eason and I watched Mike O'Dowd over and
over doing a full deck retention that appeared to completely mix
the deck.
The shuffle is done completely in the hands and appears
to be quite innocent. I have written Mike a letter requesting
permission to publish it here on MAGIC!. Mike is interested in
getting some of his stuff published but his magic is somehow
overlooked by the younger generation due probably to Mike's
shakey hands and his propensity to drop cards; BUT when he hits
it (both the shuffle and the bottom deal) he absolutely KILLS.
Mike learned his skills on the streets of Dublin, Ireland
and freighters plying the trades and knows the real stuff. I
first met Mike at Close-up Encounters in Rochester and we formed
a friendship based on a mutual love of Irish Penny Whistle music
which we both TRY to play. Mike is retired and lives in Canada
now.
Because of my experiences this weekend in Buffalo, I have
decided I've been doing it all wrong and am going back to peg one
and starting over by learning to properly hold the deck in my
left hand and to properly remove them with my right. I appreciate
those who spent hours with me helping me find the proper points
of contact for each finger and thumb.
To be effective with cheating methods one must be able to
spoof a table of hardened card players. I was fortunate to meet
two such gentlemen this weekend, Mike O'Dowd being one of them
and the other knows who he is. Perhaps there were others equally
as able in attendence but out of maybe 30 different second,
middle, and bottom dealers who "helped" me, only these two fooled
me with a combination of skill, knowledge, and innocence. It's
like Geno sez,
"Don't play cards with a guy who calls himself Lefty."
I appreciate all ya'll who want to get together at the
Castle Friday week and if you wanna use my presence as a reason
then so-be-it, I certainly won't complain. As more of us become
involved in the care of MAGIC! the future of this board is
assured.
My goals are simply to stay involved and to do what I can
to effect its' (MAGIC!) growth and viability. Kent Cummins just
called me and is in town for two weeks doing his USAR duty. Kent
telephoned because of our MAGIC! connection. He carried printouts
of the last few hundred msg on the plane coming north and found
my phone number. He'll be on soon and is already a supporter
thanks to David Luther.
Thanks to Burton The Bizarre, we'll soon have an
interactive modem exchange program similar to TAPCIS. This should
be a blessing to many of us in the "boonies" and make interaction
much easier and more cost effective.
Other projects are churning behind the scenes as the
cream rises (sorry, more farm humor). I am finding more and more
that my friends are here on MAGIC!.
Thanks for everything.
Msg #1369 Dated 9:12:22 04-30-91 1345 <--> 1370
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
I agree and really enjoyed Vito's lecture.
HOWEVER....
I thought it was interesting that someone who so strongly claims that
he can feel the slightest breeze wasn't able to feel the light...or,
more specifically, LACK of light for his opening silent routine! The
man opens with a silent routine to music...he doesn't have a cassette
player to play the tape and has to have people frantically hunt one
down for him before the lecture, (thankfully, Jonathan Pendragon was
able to supply one). He makes his entrance...with virtually NO eye
contact with the audience...and goes into a silent routine in the dark!
Whew! Of course, the audience was less than impressed, and that
contributed to Vito's internal jitters. After he got through the rough
opening, he settled in and hit his stride...providing a very fine
lecture indeed. His lecture notes are insightful and important reading
for ANY magician. In fact, Vito would've had a much smoother and more
impressive opening had he attended his own lecture and reread his own
lecture notes...isn't it odd....Vito Lupo's approach would have solved
Vito Lupo's opening problems!!!
This is a paradoxical artform.
Msg #1370 Dated 9:23:31 04-30-91 1356 <--> 1379
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
Max...I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion you reached after
observing the audience reaction to Vito's "Best way to hide
something..." comment.
I think that segments of the audience can be tough, but, if they like
you, they tend to "pull" for you...wanting you to do well.
I, for one, responded audibly to Vito's comment, having read it and
heard it many, many times. My verbal response was one of "agreement"
and not one of "realization"...I would venture to say that there were
many who responded in a similar vein.
Msg #1371 Dated 10:18:45 04-30-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: WONDER-=FULL
Dear All: If you read Tommy Wonder's message about the Zombie,
and still throw your Zombie away... you can relate what he says
(and says well, considering English is not his first language)
make sense in many areas of performing.
I know what he means about the Ventriloquists figure saying
something the Ventriloquist had not yet thought of. It happened
to me several times when I was studying the art. I would be
fiddling around with the figure, someone would be visiting and we
(the three of us--Me, Dummy and friend) would be doing gags and
in the heat of the conversation the Dummy would throw ad lib
lines that fit his character and that I didn't seem to have in my
head, being caught by surprise HEARING what the dummy said!
And I only briefly worked with this. I immaging the full-time
Ventriloquists have this happen REGULARLY.
Lots of good stuff online of late. Am putting the remnants of my
old lectures together to take to Indianapolis with me. The club
back there has asked me to lecture on or about May 20-21. Will
also be spending some time visiting 'ILLUSIONS' and learning the
stuff out of Mike Close's book 'WORKERS' -- which I have seen him
do, but being a slow learner need all the help I can get.
My biggest complaint about the Vito Lupo Lecture... I had the
date wrong and he lectured up here in N. Calif. and I sat home
watching TV!
Msg #1373 Dated 10:21:44 04-30-91 -> 1434
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: NAME ONE
Wayne: Your observations are interesting re: Vito Lupo. No one
else reviewing seemed to note. But you, being a performer FIRST
would be hip to those kinds of things. Hmmmm.
Will dig into the slates/card rise we discussed earlier and
letcha know. Have some travel/family complications right now, so
please be patient.
Msg #1374 Dated 10:59:39 04-30-91 1298 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BE BACK SHORTLY
No, I ain't talked with the Joeman since DMS...I am having trouble
getting my mind together on a cryteak.
Msg #1375 Dated 11:05:54 04-30-91 -> 1397
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GAFFED SILVER
Dear Tabbo "King of Koins"
One reason for the lack of "old" gaff coins is that until
fairly recently (I would guess the late fifties) it was again' the
LAW to deface money in any way! Then they decided it was only
against said law if the money was modified in an attempt to make it
appear to be greater than its actual value. Another reason might be
the value of silver coins and the great "meld down" of such coins
when the price of silver went up! Gaff coin sets used to be sold
"under the counter" in magic shops. Most of the older sets were made
by Connie Haden and by a fellow in Philadelphia named Satan.
They do exist! I have some gaff stuff in walking liberty
halves and morgan head dollars and in more recent silver coins. The
C/S set that I was talking to El Peto about uses a walking liberty,
and an American big penny. I have also seen quarter stacks with the
tail coin on top as well as Boston Boxes.
Msg #1376 Dated 11:02:16 04-30-91 1367 <--> 1409
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
Irishi Pennywhistle Music? Geez, but you have weird and exotic tastes,
Tabman. You might look around for a CD titled "Irish Pipe & Tinwhistle
Songs." It includes cuts by Tommy Makem, Seamus Ennis and the
Dubliners. CD-313 from Legacy International (Box 6999, Beverly Hills,
Ca.). It isn't quite as good as the list of talent suggests, and there
are too many vocals, but how many CD's of the stuff are there? If you
can't find a copy, let me know and I'll get you one where I got mine.
Msg #1377 Dated 11:06:57 04-30-91 -> 1380
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
A couple of posters would probably do more to attract attendance than
most anything. I will put said sessions in the convention program
and onto the pocket schedule cards and those who read and are
interested will appear at the appointed place and time. However,
these listings allow no explanation...so you only gets them who
knows! There will be a blackboard and/or cork board in the
registration area upon which chalk or paper notices or comments might
be placed. We could also consider xeroxing (that dirty word again)
some flyers (I could do that for you here to avoid your having to
carry them cross country).
Titles?....mmmmm...."The MAGIC! of computing"..."MAGIC!...The cutting
edge of communication!"....I think I need to think some more as
well...where's our ad man...Pete???
Msg #1378 Dated 11:07:46 04-30-91 -> 1390
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: REAL MAGIC
Not only do I like moonlight, magnolias, and Moon Pies (you are
starting to sound like Brother Dave Gardner), I also like asparagus.
My casting of said vegetable (even without hollandaise) should be
considered a compliment to all true believers in not only the magic
of those things but the magician magic that is good enough to be
spoken of in the same breath as all of the above.
You know...its strange...but I never thought of the Easter Bunny as
being Christian until you made that comment.
Actually, I think that magicians find the gaffs and gimmicks in
places like what used to be called "dime" stores and then invent
tricks in which to use the gaffs and gimmicks. As to "easy" magic,
or simple, direct magic in which the effect is more important than
the method, the distinction may not be American and European but
rather for whom the magician performs. In other words, those who
perform mainly for magicians utilize sleighs and those who perform
commercially use gaffs, gimmicks, or whatever is surest and safest to
gain the effect. Sometimes, I wonder if we have more magician's
magicians in this country. Generalizing is such fun!
Msg #1379 Dated 11:08:28 04-30-91 1369 <--> 1385
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
It was Bill Larsen who was searching for a cassette player to tape the
lecture for the Castle. Vito's cassette player - stereo with external
speakers - was completely set up on his table the entire time.
Msg #1380 Dated 11:09:36 04-30-91 -> 1381
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
You will have a wall outlet in the room I have asked the hotel to
reserve for you in Ballimo...I can't speak for what exists in the old
principle's house...HEY! I ain't never said I was an expert in
preparing Bar-B-Que....only in the tasting of said product. Besides
we are probably going to have to travel a bit south of here before we
can begin to talk serious bar-b-que. At any rate, the three days
will be quite busy I am sure.
Msg #1382 Dated 11:11:27 04-30-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OUR MAGIC GOVERNMENT
I remember some Houdini stamps and stuff but I thought that was
France or some other country. I didn't think this country had ever
depicted a magician on a stamp, postcard or anything similar. But
then I don't collect such stuff. What year was this done?
Msg #1383 Dated 11:11:56 04-30-91 -> 1384
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC
OK...I'll bite....How did you get your arm out watching the NFL draft
for 6 hours?
Why would you watch the NFL draft for 6 hours?
Why would you type skinny words?
Msg #1384 Dated 11:12:31 04-30-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC
I don't think the car that was vanished was a "normal" railroad car.
You also probably have an excellent point regarding the "speed" of
the tape being inconsistent during the entire run of the effect. I
also wonder if the car we saw them walk through was the same car that
vanished??????
Msg #1385 Dated 11:10:39 04-30-91 1370 <--> 1410
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
I agree with your analysis of the laugh, Wayne. I also felt that some
in the audience laughed because of his perfect delivery of the line.
As to the calibre of the attendees, to paraphrase another line, "The
magical skill, talent and ability in the audience exceeded even that
present on those occasions when Phil Goldstein dines alone."
Msg #1387 Dated 11:15:54 04-30-91 -> 1391
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SO MANY BOOKS...
You pose an interesting question regarding the apparent increase
in the number of magic books being published. While, I am not sure
if the impact on my wallet is due from the increased numbers of books
or the increased cost (most of them seem to be at least $39.95), it
does appear that a greater number of hardback magic books are being
published. If we assume this is true, I would suspect a combination
of factors are responsible. Pete Biro and Richard Hart have advanced
the "more monkeys" theory and you added the possible impact of
Henning's THE MAGIC SHOW in the early seventies. I believe all of
you are correct. This theory is supported by I.B.M. membership
figures.
year membership
1970 6122
1973 7017
1974 7834
1975 8689
1976 9704
Current I.B.M. membership is over 13,000 members. If I.B.M.
membership numbers are an indication of the numbers of magicians in
general, then we could say that the number of magicians has more than
Doubled in the last twenty years! Insofar as marketing of the books
is concerned, a relatively inexpensive ad in the Linking Ring would
reach twice as many customers. I know that runs of 2000 books were
common ten years ago. I was told the first 1000 sold fairly quickly
and the last 1000 take a few years to sell. I do not have current
market information, but I would suspect the runs are higher and the
sales faster.
I.B.M. membership analysis also reveals a membership that is growing
older with a median age in the mid thirties. The video game rage of
the late seventies and early eighties took a heavy toll on youth
memberships in most organizations. Magic was no exception. I.B.M.
junior membership peaked at 769 in 1977 and had dropped to 442 by
1980. I don't have current figure in front of me, but I recall the
total dipped below 300 at one point. The future impact on magic of
this decease is another question altogether. However, the existence
of an older buying population of magicians probably means more
available expendable income for the purchase of greater numbers of
more expensive books.
Another factor might be more magicians with better educations and
therefore more ability to write the books. I would agreed that desk
top publishing and other technical advances have contributed to the
physical quality and appearance of books at "affordable" prices. I
am not sure that I would agree that the material contained in today's
book is any better than the books of one, two or three decades ago.
The Vernon, Slydini, Bobo and other tomes set a pretty high standard
and probably provided much of the inspiration for the writers of
today's books. I'm sure that are other factors as well.
Msg #1389 Dated 11:18:56 04-30-91 1377 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
How big can the posters and stuff we stick on the bulletin board be?
The "publicity" should be for the public session more than the
get-together. The best flyer ever put together about MAGIC! was the
one Pete did for DM. If you don't have a copy, gimme' your fax number
and I'll send it to you - or, if you prefer, will upload it here as a
graphic (might do that anyway to give others some ideas for talking
about MAGIC! at Rings, etc.). Also, I just put together a PR piece for
mailings that was based on his flyer and will post that as a message in
a few moments.
Really would appreciate your putting them together on your end, will
have enough junk to haul from here. Have you pinned down the two
exact times and places so we can start mentioning them?
Msg #1390 Dated 11:28:41 04-30-91 1378 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: REAL MAGIC
Ah, the Celestial Music of the Spheres.....
I haunt the "dime" stores (one of ours out here is called the "99-Cent
Store" and another is the "98-Cent Store") and come up with all sorts
of interesting stuff.
Am I wrong, or has the quality of magical thinking around here improved
since you arrived?
Msg #1391 Dated 11:38:49 04-30-91 1387 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SO MANY BOOKS...
Bill -
Has anyone (IBM or SAM or ...) ever funded/undertaken a consumer survey
regarding laypersons perceptions of magic?
Msg #1393 Dated 12:18:33 04-30-91 1102 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: HELP
Burt. Thanks much. Will look at the file.
Msg #1394 Dated 12:18:58 04-30-91 -> 1395
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC! PR
I've uploaded a PCX of the flyer that Pete created for Desert Magic.
As you know from being there, it worked! Except for the announcements
here on MAGIC!, there was no other publicity and the room was packed.
The file is MAGICPR.PCX My next message is the text of a mailer I've
put together, based largely on Pete's flyer.
Any revisions or suggestions will be appreciated (from anyone, not just
Bill). Also, anyone can reprint the flyer for distribution at magic
group meetings if they wish, just please do not share it outside the
community.
Msg #1395 Dated 12:24:52 04-30-91 1394 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC! PR
WHAT IS MAGIC!(tm)?
MAGIC! has been described as a "24-hour a day, 365-day a year
magic convention." It has been called "the CNN of magic," "an
always open horseshoe bar for magicians," and "the interactive
magic magazine of the 90's." It has also been described as "an
electronic community of magicians."
Here's how it works. Someone writes an article, a review or
devises a new trick. It goes "online" (which is the same as a
magazine printing it) and instead of waiting three months for
printing and mailing... You read it INSTANTLY. Now here is the
big difference... You can write an immediate reply. You can add
your Two Cents worth. You can complain. You can add variations.
You can ask the author a question and get an immediate reply!
WHO IS ON MAGIC!?
There are currently about 600 magicians, from Japan to Europe, on
MAGIC! Among the most active members are Michael Ammar, Pete
Biro, Jeff Busby, Tabby Crabb, Mac King, Max Maven, Gary Ouellet,
Gary Plants and T A Waters.
An associate system in the Netherlands, MAGIC-NL, has developed
from MAGIC! Messages and files are shared between MAGIC! and
MAGIC-NL and European magicians such as Tommy Wonder and Dick
Koornwinder are also able to join in the global magic
conversations.
HOW TO JOIN MAGIC!
To join MAGIC!, use your computer's communications package to dial
U.S. (818) 896-7450. Once you are connected, just follow the
on-screen instructions to register. Access to MAGIC! is FREE,
except for any long-distance or telephone charges, identical to
those you would be charged for any regular telephone call.
When you reach the Main Menu, perform these five additional easy
steps to enroll in the private MAGIC! section:
o Type C to select Comments and press the ENTER key.
o Type Y for Yes and press the ENTER key.
o Enter a comment indicating that you want to join the
private MAGIC! section. Include a brief resume of your
magical qualifications and your name, address and tele-
phone number.
o At the end of your comment, press the ENTER key TWICE.
o Type S for Save and press the ENTER key.
Within a couple of days, upon approval, you will be registered to
the private MAGIC! section. See you there!
MAGIC! is hosted by ECANET(tm). If you need assistance, you can
call David Lichtman at U.S. (818) 899-8812 during normal Pacific
Time business hours or write to David Lichtman, P. O. Box 900,
Arleta, California 91334.
Msg #1396 Dated 12:30:25 04-30-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
As a part of MAGIC!'s IBM Convention coverage, we are planning to once
again provide digital images. As I'm flying to this one, and have a
ton of stuff to carry, it would be great if someone, perhaps local,
could let us use a computer for the duration of the convention.
What we would need would be an IBM or close-compatible "clone" with an
available card slot for the digitizer board. We'd also need it to have
a modem. A portable that will accept a standard card would work.
If anyone can make something available, I'd appreciate knowing. Please
drop me a private message.
Thank you.
Msg #1397 Dated 15:33:33 04-30-91 1375 <--> 1412
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: GAFFED SILVER
I never thought about the illegal angle on the early
gaffed silver stuff. That never stops magicians anyway as is
evidenced by the work of Haden and others. I want to find both
the Okito box and the Boston box in the size to fit the older
stuff. I got a small mahogany half dollar safe the other day
supposedly made by Haden, but wasn't aware he did any wood.
Probably a spoof.
As far as BBQ is concerned, right here at The Hotel
DeCarlo we have GloTab BBQ which is equal to the best of the
South Georgia BBQ - Macon and points South. Gloria promised to do
some up if it looks good for you, Pete, and Dave to come down.
She may still be in LA for the Nationals but is gonna put some
Brunswick Stew up about a week early. It gets better if you let
it sit in the sun for 4 or 5 daze anyhou.
Have never seen any gaffed Liberty dollars and would love
to look at some sometime. The older American stuff is so
beautiful, especially the Liberty half. I have some Barber coins
but no gaffs, but sure some must of been made though have never
seen any. The Barber coins seem to be thinner than Liberty, but
maybe they rubbed in someone's pocket for a decade, don't know.
I have some uncirculated Confederate cash and a dogeared
Virginia bill from the beginnings of the succession. Been trying
to do a trick with them, but the gas station won't take it.
My main interest in most of this stuff is in examining
and appreciating the fine and difficult workmanship that each of
these coins exhibits. The craft of the precision machinist is one
to be envied, appreciated, and admired. Wish I could get hooked
up with a good model making machine operator and have even
thought about getting a small metal machine myself, but I do love
working with wood.
Saw some beautiful antique scissor type card holdouts
this weekend. The work was great and this particular model was
quite compact. There was also a grinder there who was selling
shiners made from silver dimes and quarters. They were very nice.
Buffed to perfection with a convex face. I picked up a quarter
and the dope on how they were made. All handwork and a bargain at
$20 considering the time and care put into the final polish.
Msg #1399 Dated 16:10:36 04-30-91 -> 1404
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: LESSON
Thanks for the lesson yesterday. Used what I learned a number of times
today and all went well, and it felt good. Don't think I should have
said that with Biro around. Fri?
Msg #1400 Dated 16:34:16 04-30-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-21
The twenty-first set of MAGIC! messages - #68 (April 14, 1991) to
#499 (April 20, 1991) - has been transfered to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-21.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the twenty-
first volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-21.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Between the creation of MAGIC-20 and MAGIC-21 the messages were
renumbered. The new message #68 is the "old message number"
100001 (Message #10000 was a private message and does not appear
in the file).
This volume includes a continuation of the discussion of the
David Copperfield Special (XIII). This discussion, which began
on April 9th (see MAGIC-20.TXT) runs over 168 messages and is,
to date, the largest discussion of a single topic on MAGIC!
In message #77, Gary Plants identifies the "swimmers wax" Juan
Tamariz talked about at Desert Magic for members in the U.S.
and in #116 Tommy Wonder does the same for those in Europe.
In message #85, Charlie Randall reports on the Magic Collectors'
Weekend in Chicago. In #117, Tommy Wonder expresses his views on
the audience's belief in magic, and in #125 Tabby Crabb replies.
Richard Hatch's Parlour show at the Magic Castle is reviewed in
message #223. David Lichtman, in message #285, passes on some hints
for producing custom jumbo cards using a computer, a laser printer,
and steel wool. Pete Biro discusses forcing techniques in msg. #292.
Message #313 is a MAGIC! "Feature Article" on Bicycle Secrets Revealed,
a report on "inside info" from U.S. Playing Cards. Drew Sernekos
provides some interesting philosophy in #356,
In this file, MAGIC! welcomes Michael Ammar, celebrates Evan Katz's
engagement to be married, and mourns the death of Rose Munari, mother
of Geno Munari. There is also magic gossip and chit-chat.
Not only will transfering these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #1401 Dated 16:31:31 04-30-91 1347 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: ZOMBIE
That's a lot of good advice on properly performing the Zombie routine.
You are right that it is easy to learn to do and do it badly. It will
take a lot of self control for a magician learning how to do this
effect, not to show it until he has had LOTS of practice. Having it
move in an unpredictable way as if it had a mind of its own is great
advice so to the audience it doesn't look like you are conrolling it.
Msg #1402 Dated 16:35:11 04-30-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-22
The twenty-second set of MAGIC! messages - #500 (April 20, 1991) to
#999 (April 25, 1991) - has been transfered to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-22.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the twenty-
second volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-22.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
This volume includes a continuation of the discussion of the
David Copperfield Special (XIII). This discussion, which began
on April 9th (see MAGIC-20.TXT) runs over 168 messages and is,
to date, the largest discussion of a single topic on MAGIC!
Michael Ammar provides an interesting magical premise for a
postage stamp honoring Houdini in message #525. There is a
discussion of the magic of Rene Lavand tht begins with a request
by Pete Biro in message #519. Stan Lake's comments on magician's
"burnout" appear in message # 587. There were three magical
trivia" quizes by Scott Cram (# 618,the answers are in message
#791), Max Maven (# 698) and Pete Biro (#884).
Three effects are revealed by Pete Biro - "Slop Poker" (# 731),
"Mental Karate" (# 733), and an un-named one using two switchblade
knives (#823). Another, "Quick Trick" is explained by Skip Sansoucie
(#886) Three new personal letters from Fred Kaps to Pete Biro are
posted as messages #738, #739, and #740. James H Marler II starts
(#741) a thread on Zombie Balls that will continue into MAGIC-23.
The discussion of magic book quality, started earlier by Wayne Powers,
is continued by Evan Katz (#841). Wayne Powers begins a thread on the
repair of damaged slates (#850).
Get well wishes are requested for Dan Anderson (# 716).
Not only will transfering these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #1404 Dated 16:39:36 04-30-91 1399 <--> 1405
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LESSON
I think it would be best to explain that I assisted you with a COMPUTER
RELATED "lesson" and that the whole thing was done over the phone.
Anyway, glad to hear that it helped. I'm hoping for this Friday. But,
as before, can't let you know till sometime late Thurs. And if I'm in
a "bind" it could be Friday before I know for sure. But I will tell
you that this week the odds look better than last week.
Msg #1405 Dated 16:51:51 04-30-91 1404 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LESSON
Shucks. You took all the fun out of it.
Msg #1406 Dated 16:50:42 04-30-91 -> 1413
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: CHUCK FAYNE'S 4 ACES
Last week I saw Chuck Fayne stun his audience with his closing trick.
The story revolved around a gambler named one armed Joe McDonald and
how he used to do this with one hand. He took out the four aces from
the deck and had a spectator deal 12 cards face down onto the table.
He place three face down cards in front of each of the four aces.
The packets were picked up one at a time, three face down cards and one
face up ace. All of the cards were then shown to be face down and when
turned over there were four indifferent cards. This was repeated three
times and finally the last pile was shown to have the four aces. Only
sixteen cards were used in this effect.
I thought it was a great effect and after thinking about it for awhile
I have come up with an easy way to perform this stunning effect.
What I don't know is whether or not this is a widely known effect or if
it is marketed or if it is of Chuck's own creation. I wasn't able to
speak with him but I wonder if any of our Magic! members might know.
If it is not an infringement on someones rights or territory I would
like to share my handling with our members.
T. A., Max, Pete, et. al. - any guidance here?
Msg #1407 Dated 17:08:30 04-30-91 1293 <--> 1426
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
David, I have a frequent flyer that is dying to be used. Not being a
member and all I don't know if that would be possible, but if it was I
could fly out thurs eve and return home sat sometime. I would be a
treat for me to meet people that so far are only disembodied electrons
on my screen. Leave me a message and I'll check my calendar.
Msg #1409 Dated 17:27:36 04-30-91 1367 <--> 1420
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
The O'Dowd false overhand shuffle is indeed terrific, and quite
different from any other approach. I'm rather surprised it hasn't
gotten around up to this point. Those who've learned it have kept it
tight, but these things usually leak at some point.
Msg #1410 Dated 17:29:36 04-30-91 1369 <--> 1425
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
In fairness to Vito, he had informed Bill Larsen that he would need a
tape player -- so he should not be held accountable for the lack of one
at the outset.
Msg #1412 Dated 17:41:18 04-30-91 1397 <--> 1435
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GAFFED SILVER
To my understanding, the legality of gaffing coins is based upon a
fluke of wording in the law. Technically, it's illegal to deface
_paper_ currency, but the language leaves a loophole as far as coins
are concerned.
Msg #1413 Dated 17:46:34 04-30-91 1406 <--> 1416
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHUCK FAYNE'S 4 ACES
The MacDonald Aces is a well-explored routine; there have been dozens
of handlings in print (including one by yours truly).
Msg #1416 Dated 18:09:04 04-30-91 1413 <--> 1451
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CHUCK FAYNE'S 4 ACES
Is yours any good? Jus kidden... Max... where is?
Msg #1417 Dated 18:09:32 04-30-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NOTHING SPREAD THIN
How did it hurt my arm? Watching TV. I dunno, but think it was a
pinched nerve in right shoulder, actually.
BBQ is the reason I is coming East sooner than need be. Tabman
will have the wooden carpet rolled out, I am sure.
Got to do some book research too.... ehehehhee
Moon Pie? Hmmmm.... no commennto lamento
Remind me to tell you the Tonto Gonzales story.
Wot you say about demographics make sense. Did the legalese guy
do a study of that (you know, lives in Phoenix) forget names
lately. Like who is reading this?
If I get chance will go back over the Copperfield tape to see if
slomo was part of method.
Told Snagel to look more... checking hotel scene with The Great
Jasper. Artist doing rock drawings for the book! Great stuff the
old ring in nose.... (secret word at left)!
Am now downloading with rc;* but that way I forget the questions.
Nobody is perfect.
Oh, went past a storefront today that had "Antique gaming tables,
poker tables, etc." on sign in window. No place to park. Will not
stop anyway until I win lottery! Mabye swap some stuff?
Msg #1419 Dated 18:11:06 04-30-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DEEP LAKE
Stan: The effect you describe sounds like a variant of
MacDonald's Aces. See MacDonald (a one armed magician -- really)
Aces in Vernon Book, Stars of Magic (second series) and several
other places... Only a couple of days ago Dick Koornwinder filed
a letter i had sent to Fred Kaps describing Derek Dingle's great
routine (I think it is in his book as well) and you can get it
there. There are several ways to get into the trick and many
novel ways to vanish the individual aces. The key, there is
always a trick, is to get really good quality DF Aces.
Alex Elmsley's Atomic Aces, and I think Final Aces by Bro.
Hammann are also killers.
Mike Skinner had one of the nicest routines I had ever seen
This is something I used to do all the time, and having not
worked with it for some time have forgotten the full handling and
am currently studying it myslef.
Evan Max Maven has a version in print. (I just read that here!)
Msg #1420 Dated 19:14:00 04-30-91 1409 <--> 1453
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
Yes, I agree on Mike's shuffle. I would normally keep
this tight but Mike was bemoaning the fact that none of this
work had ever been published before. Precursor has been holding
stuff for years with no promise of publication so I thought I'd
give Mike a venue. He kept saying something about "Max Maven"
while we were going over his stuff so I knew you must be familiar
with him and his work.
Mike is a grand old man of whom I'm quite fond and would
do anything to help him see his work in print. Maybe we should do
a book or something. He's also got great sleeving techniques and
he stacks dice well with a unique wrist movement; though at the
time the dice were flying around the room.
He's got a lot of stamina and has always followed through
as far as I'm concerned still doing a lot of traveling even to
Ireland this summer.
By the way, I'd never tip his work without his permission
first with complete understanding, etc. The work on the shuffle
is amazing and Mike must be as relaxed a card player as I've ever
seen when he's in control. It'll take me a while to get the hang
of it (if ever). The way he slops those cards around while
maintaining a stack is total poetry in motion and made my trip.
He'd been working for hours trying to get it so he could
show it to us (Doc Eason and tabman) and when he did it in slow
motion Doc and I just busted out laughing. Amazing.
Msg #1421 Dated 20:10:16 04-30-91 1120 <--> 1439
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FFFF
I have Gary's book _Close Up Illusions_ and it's great. Very well
written and LOTS of photos.
Msg #1422 Dated 20:11:39 04-30-91 1163 <--> 1444
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RENUMBERING
Thanks for the effort and all the hard work. We all appreciate it!
Msg #1423 Dated 20:12:35 04-30-91 1149 <--> 1442
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
My opinion, humble as it may be is that escapology is magic. It is
magic of a very narrow spectrum, but is nevertheless magic. After all
the effect of an escape is a penetration of solid through solid.
According to Fitzkee that is one of the basic magical effects. I think
though that presentation has a lot to do with whether or not escapes
are magic. Most who perform a straight jacket escape do so as a show
of personal skill not as a magical effect. Other escapes are presented
as a magical effect, i.e. The Milk Can Escape, The Water Torture Cell,
etc. Certainly Metamorphosis more commonly known as the sub trunk would
be considered magical.
Msg #1424 Dated 20:14:09 04-30-91 1187 <--> 1445
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOY STORES
David that was me who mentioned the eraser shaped like a playing card.
It was poker sized and printed in color on one side only-the other side
was white as are the edges. I found them in a gift store on the strip
in Las Vegas if you really want one/some perhaps DAVID VANVRANKEN or
GENO MUNARI or one of our other friends could attempt to find them and
pick some up for you they were only 99 cents apiece.
Msg #1425 Dated 20:19:34 04-30-91 1261 <--> 1437
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
Thanks for the review, I wish I could have been there. The only time I
have seen Vito Lupo he did his bubble routine and it was great!
Msg #1426 Dated 20:18:02 04-30-91 1407 <--> 1559
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: THE MAGIC! LUNCHEON
Randy - You are most welcome to join us for lunch on Friday, May 17th,
or anytime you choose! It is NOT necessary to be a member of the Magic
Castle to attend the MAGIC! luncheon. As a matter of fact, it is
likely that Tabby will be here early enough on Thursday to go to the
full spectrum of shows that evening. I'd be more than happy to have
you join us.
Msg #1428 Dated 20:46:03 04-30-91 -> 1485
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: HAUNTINGS
Does anyone out there have any info or experience in organizing a large
scale haunted house. This is something I've envisioned doing at
Halloweeen for a few years now. If I get started now I may yet have
time to get one together for this year. My dream is to do this as a
fundraiser for a major charity like the "Make A Wish Foundation" for
terminal children or some other worthy organization.
Msg #1430 Dated 20:48:31 04-30-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: HAUNTED HOUSE
The JayCees have a book on it and I'll find out about it. Seems like
I've seen another one too and will let you know.
Msg #1433 Dated 21:35:57 04-30-91 -> 1440
From: STEVE SILVERMAN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ERDNASE
I just received a mailer from Busby Magic advertising the book, "The
Man Who Was Erdanse". You were quoted in the ad as one of the happy
readers. Good stuff?? According to the ad, Mr. Erdnase
(Andrews?)
led quite an interesting life....sounds like good movie material.
Little did he know the impact he would have on future card magic.
Msg #1434 Dated 22:40:51 04-30-91 1373 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NAME ONE
Thanx, Pete. No hurry on the stuff we discussed. Whenever you get
around to it is fine. Take care of the pressing stuff first.
Msg #1435 Dated 22:43:24 04-30-91 1397 <--> 1436
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GAFFED SILVER
I agree, Tabby, that the workmanship on the older coinage is beautiful.
In my humble opinion, the standing liberty quarter is one of the most
stunning designs in American numismatic history. Especially the
"pre-armor-clad" original design. No sexist humor here...it really is
pure beauty.
Msg #1436 Dated 22:47:08 04-30-91 1412 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: GAFFED SILVER
It's interesting to note here, Max, that the Liberty "V" nickels had a
change in design, adding the word, "cents" on the reverse due to some
unscrupulous individuals who were gold plating them and passing them as
five dollar gold pieces!
Msg #1437 Dated 22:51:08 04-30-91 1379 <--> 1441
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
glad to hear that, David. Although the quality of the sound was
ludicrous.
Msg #1438 Dated 22:52:56 04-30-91
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! IN LAS VEGAS
Las Vegas Show Guide , May 4-11 1991 (from SHOWBIZ MAGAZINE)
NOTE: Most Strip shows do not change much, so if you're coming
anytime soon, this should be accurate except where noted.
ALADDIN
736-0240
Alakazaam Room: "Alakazaam" starring Kirby Van Burch
dark Tuesdays
CAESAR'S PALACE
731-7333
Circus Maximus: David Copperfield thru May 6
Bacchanal Room: Jimmy Grippo nightly (by request)
(He once told me he won't go to a table until they ask three
times, so when he does come they KNOW he's GOT to be GOOD!)
DESERT INN
Daniel Cros
EL RANCHO
792-5555
Rodney's Place: May 6-12, featuring Becky Blaney
EXCALIBUR
"King Arthur's Tournament (except Merlin, not really magic
but a great Dinner experience similar to "Medieval Times" in
California and Florida.)
FLAMINGO
733-3333
Flamingo Showroom: "City Lites" starring Joseph Gabriel
dark Sundays
GOLDEN NUGGET
Lily Langtree's: Michael Skinner (by request)
(May have closed recently for renovation, call first!)
LADY LUCK
"Luck is a Lady" featuring Ed Alonzo
MIRAGE
792-7777
Siegfried & Roy thru May 6, dark May 8-15, dark Wednesdays
RIVIERA
794-9301
Versailles Theatre: "Splash" featuring Shimada
SAHARA
737-2515
Congo Theater: "Melinda, The First Lady of Magic"
dark Mondays
COMING ATTRACTIONS:
Golden Nugget: June 20-25 David Brenner, Jeff McBride
I know I've missed several good magicians:
Dixie Dooley, Valentino, Senior Rai, come to mind but not
being in major "STRIP" shows they get passed by in the Ads.
PLEASE look for them, it's worth it!
My home phone is (702) 435-4748 If you're a magician and in town,
give me a call! I'll help out any way I can to make your stay
enjoyable.
Msg #1439 Dated 22:58:26 04-30-91 1421 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: FFFF
I'd very highly recommend the videotape that Gary has put together to
accompany his book. It's a wonderful concept...low cost: ($19.95
retail) and of no use without the book. It serves, instead as a source
of "illustrations-in-motion" which affords the magus a chance to
actually see the correct performance of many key moves/routines with an
on-screen page reference for convenience. It really brings Gary's
remarkable book to life!
Msg #1440 Dated 23:05:08 04-30-91 1433 <--> 1450
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STEVE SILVERMAN (X)
Re: ERDNASE
Let's also note the fact that Tabby Crabb was quoted in the flier with
credit given to MAGIC! bbs.
Msg #1441 Dated 23:07:06 04-30-91 1410 <--> 1446
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
There was a message posted here stating that the tape player being
hunted down was for the purpose of RECORDING the lecture.
hmm...
The audio setup Vito used certainly was a "feeble" one, to put it
kindly. If that was his own, he should invest in a better unit.
If the tape player used was the borrowed one, (from Jonathan), as was
my understanding...then we should all learn from this example the
importance of backups and how inherently dangerous it is to rely on
others for essential elements of your performance.
In fairness to Vito, I hope my candid discussion of these issues does
not give anyone the mistaken impression that I didn't think Vito's
lecture was a worthwhile one...on the contrary, I think I've stated
previously that I thoroughly enjoyed the content and execution of the
vast majority of it. I purchased his lecture notes and they are a very
welcome addition to my library...I read them over dinner the same
night!
Msg #1442 Dated 23:23:22 04-30-91 1423 <--> 1455
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
I agree. Escapes are set-up to appear to be impossible. The
performer is challenging/fooling the spectator in much the same manner
as a more traditional performer. The solid through solid metaphor is
very apt.
Houdini is arguably the most successful magician this country has ever
seen, and he was an escape artist. Escapology allows a "macho"
presentation of magical events. Mentalism allows a "ESP" presentation
of magical events. Both are ways that performers can shed the dreaded
top hat and coat image the public seems to like to poke fun at. To say
escapology is not a branch of magic does not make sense when one
includes mentalism as a branch.
Isn't it interesting that there hasn't been an escapologist around for
a while? (at least someone who really took off). Is it time?
Msg #1444 Dated 23:52:54 04-30-91 1422 <--> 1695
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: RENUMBERING
Thanks, Burt. All the renumbering, message filing and stuff always
makes me feel like the host after the cocktail party -- wandering
around picking up the ashtrays and used glasses. Ah, well, the party
itself is great fun!
Msg #1445 Dated 23:54:58 04-30-91 1424 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: TOY STORES
Thanks for the info, Burt. Maybe one of 'em will spot the item or I'll
look for it next time I'm in Vegas. Sounds like the sort of thing that
could be turned into something.
Msg #1446 Dated 23:55:52 04-30-91 1425 <--> 1447
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
He only did small bits with bubbles. I really wanted a jar or two of
his "bubble juice," but at $ 30 per 8 ounces???!!!??? I decided that
thirty bucks buys a LOT of glycerine, gelatine and sugar to experiment
with.
Msg #1447 Dated 23:57:48 04-30-91 1437 <--> 1454
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
Yeah, the sound quality wasn't too great. But it was coming from a
small Sony Walkman with add-on Sony speakers that WAS on the table the
entire time. It was right behind the stand with the red and white golf
balls, directly in front of the black box.
Msg #1450 Dated 0:12:15 05-01-91 1440 <--> 1458
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ERDNASE
WOW! Hey, guys! I NEVER saw that "Man Who Was Erdnase" flyer! Could
someone send me a copy?
Msg #1451 Dated 0:12:22 05-01-91 1416 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHUCK FAYNE'S 4 ACES
I published three different vanishes in a _Linking Ring_ Parade in the
late 1970's, then a full routine (with a nice, simple way to get into
the thing) in a booklet called "Notions."
Msg #1453 Dated 0:15:16 05-01-91 1420 <--> 1515
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
If Mike wants to publish the shuffle, more power to him -- it certainly
should not be lost.
Msg #1454 Dated 0:19:57 05-01-91 1441 <--> 1456
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
So far as I understand the situation, the tiny Walkman-cum-speakers was
what was loaned by Jonathan Pendragon. Again, I believe the situation
was not Vito's fault. By all means, there is value in having back-ups
for your required needs, but obviously Vito was not lugging a boombox
around on this tour, on the assumption that his requested player would
be provided at each venue.
Your critical comments about his opening silent routine are valid;
I think he was not really comfortable at that point, probably in part
because the tape player thing threw him off stride.
Msg #1455 Dated 0:29:48 05-01-91 1442 <--> 1468
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
Steve Baker tried. He did the upside straight jacket escape hanging
from the Tribune tower in Oakland some years ago.. and HOUDINI still go
the press, as the fr ont page headline read, in big type 'HOUDINI TRICK
DONE" then in small type in the article it mentioned Baker.
Msg #1456 Dated 0:31:07 05-01-91 1425 <--> 1457
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
He KILLED wtih his new manip act at St. Louis IBM last summer.
Msg #1457 Dated 0:32:11 05-01-91 1446 <--> 1466
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
Buy the Finn Jon stuff form Joe Stevens.
Msg #1458 Dated 0:33:58 05-01-91 1433 <--> 1459
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE SILVERMAN (X)
Re: ERDNASE
Book is collossal
Msg #1459 Dated 0:34:18 05-01-91 1450 <--> 1465
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ERDNASE
I just tossed mine out. Will look in Garbage tomorrow.
Msg #1461 Dated 0:35:19 05-01-91 -> 1503
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: HELP
THERE IS NOTHING NEW!!
You will not believe... I went over to Byron Walker's to do some
research, (he has one of the great libraries of the world) to try
to find the FIRST routine for the linking rings, IN PRINT....
which we found in an 1860 Ed. of The Boys own Conjuring Book,
Anon.
Byron figures it had to come from some other book first as the
Boys Own was mostly stolen material.... but we couldn't find any
earlier source. There are more places to look in his library!!!!
Then we find "How to put a Ring through one Cheek and onto
stick!" USING A KEY RING. THERE IS NOTHING NEW. So we find it in
The Whole Art of Legerdemain, or Hocus Pocus in Perfection, H.
Dean, 1722.
GUESS WHAT... WE THEN GRABBED THE OLDEST BOOK I KNEW OF -- HOCUS
POCUS JR., The Anatomy of Legerdemain: OR, The Art of Jugling,
1634, and the Ring thru Cheek AND onto stick, with key ring is
there!!!
Byron said, wait, let's check Scot's Discovery of Witchcraft, I
have the 1st Edition, 1584. IT WAS IN THERE!!!!!!!!! A key ring,
but not linking, altho it goes onto the stick.... hmmmm
Man I am having a ball looking up this stuff. We will get to the
real source!
My question is... Does anyone here on MAGIC! know of an earlier
source than 1860 describing the Linking Rings?
I love the first paragraph, it say: "Get a blacksmith to make a
number of rings, about six or seven inches in diameter...." (It
shows a drawing of the standard set of 8 rings).
Like I say, there is nothing new! Later... folks.
Msg #1465 Dated 0:45:13 05-01-91 1459 <--> 1483
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ERDNASE
Thanks. Hope you haven't been cleaning Beta cassettes in the meantime.
Msg #1466 Dated 0:47:04 05-01-91 1457 <--> 1484
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
Yeah - why deal with that domestic stuff when I can have imported
bubble juice? Vito says that he and Finn exchange jars of the stuff as
Xmas presents.
Msg #1467 Dated 1:10:08 05-01-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! LUNCHEON
We have only a few places left at the table for the MAGIC! lunch at the
Magic Castle on Friday, May 17th. You do NOT need to be a Castle
member to attend. The Guest of Honor will be TABBY CRABB. And there
is a possibility that one of the guests will be flying in from Michigan
JUST to be at this lunch! So if you are planning to attend, PLEASE get
your reservation - in the form of a public or private message - to me
now!
Msg #1468 Dated 1:43:03 05-01-91 1442 <--> 1473
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
I agree, it doesn't make sense to say escapes aren't a branch of magic
if you say mentalism is -- but I think that neither are. Magic is the
presentation of the impossible -- but escapology is usually presented
as the demonstration of a SKILL even if we don't know the particulars
of a specific escape. Mentalism is also the presentation of a skill
because -- regardless of what magicians may think -- most laypeople
believe that what a mentalist does is in fact possible in the real
world. Neither mentalism nor escapology fit the basic definition of
magic.
Msg #1470 Dated 2:08:57 05-01-91 880 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: GENII
Max -
There is a message to you from Pete Biro (# 880) that it would appear
you may not have read. If you are using Read (instead of Read
Continuous - RC) you can display it by typing B for Back at the menu.
Msg #1473 Dated 7:19:21 05-01-91 1468 <--> 1481
From: STAN LAKE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
TA- When you say that mentalism isn't really a branch of magic because
most people think it is done in the real world or that it is just some
kind of trick, I'd like to offer a couple of observations.
When I have seen a performer include an ESP or other mental effect in
a performance that included pulling a rabbit out of a hat or other
standard effects, the audience seemed to perceive it as just another
trick. When I have seen an unfortunately lousy mentalist at work the
act was perceived as just a lousy performance and they didn't care to
even puzzle over how he did it.
BUT- on rare occassions when I have seen an excellent mentalist perform
and who really put it over as if it took great feats of concentration,
etc. with all the dressing, THEN people could be heard talking after
the show about how he or she really was reading someones mind and
although skeptics in the group might not believe it they were not
disagreeing either.
I don't think a magician has much chance of convincing any rational
adult that he really produced a rabbit out of an empty hat as if it
were some sort of spontaneous creation. However, there is enough
evidence that maybe, just maybe sometimes some people can read some
minds. We have all had an experience of knowing what someone was about
to say or who was going to call etc. And some folks will remember that
as a vivid moment conveniently forgetting the thousands of times they
were wrong in their "premonitions". But nobody has ever spontaneously
created a rabbit out of a hat!
So I think that you may be able to bewilder people with a good card and
coin routine but you just might convince some people that you have
managed to focus your mental powers just enough to read a mind or
discern one ESP card from another.
One last thought. I remember reading an article about Anneman and how
he would be swaying and perspiring from the apparent effort of his
mentalist feats. The audience believed it was because of the
tremendous concentration he was exerting. They didn't know it was
actually his tremendous stagefright that made him almost pass out!
That wasn't my last thought, here's my last thought. I bet hundreds
and hundreds of years ago when magicians would make something appear or
vanish that people believed them to have extra powers. Nowadays people
are too sophisticated and educated to believe that. However I bet many
of those same people would be inclined to believe a good mentalist
really did have "Extra Powers" and therefore would be more akin to the
magicians of a long, long time ago. I think mentalism is a form of
magic and a great mentalist would truly be a great magician because he
or she could really fool an audience into believing!
Msg #1481 Dated 10:12:55 05-01-91 1455 <--> 1542
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOUR OPINION PLEASE.
Interesting. Maybe we live in a world where escapes just aren't that
intersting? The public is too cynical, not easily impressed...? I
don't know. I suspect that there's always room for escapology, and
that using old Houdini tricks is BOUND to get you the response Steve
Baker got. What would be interesting (and I'm sure SOMEONE is doing
it), would be to approach the problem with TODAY'S audience in mind.
Craft a REALLY impossible-looking escape that no one has done before.
Find a marketing hook (Houdini was great at thison the order of "Al
Capone's Vault," and get a little syndicated TV spot out of it.
Sounds like an opportunity waiting to be grabbed!
Msg #1483 Dated 12:10:43 05-01-91 1433 <--> 1486
From: MARVIN STERN
To: STEVE SILVERMAN (X)
Re: ERDNASE
Back from Florida?
Msg #1484 Dated 12:11:09 05-01-91 1454 <--> 1510
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VITO LUPO
I agree, Max. Between the tape player and the general "mystique" of
lecturing at "THE MAGIC CASTLE," it took him a while to settle in and
get into his rhythm. Once he did, it was wonderful.
Msg #1485 Dated 12:13:03 05-01-91 1428 <--> 1696
From: MARVIN STERN
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: HAUNTINGS
Try Scott Ribbens in the evening - (213)391-1464. Tell him I gave you
his number. He has been involved in setting haunted houses up- but I
have not seen them., although I understand that they were good.
Msg #1486 Dated 12:14:57 05-01-91 1450 <--> 1491
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ERDNASE
David, lemme check and see if I still have mine. If so, I'll certainly
make a copy for you. I would suggest that you get an "original" for
your files from Jeff Busby. Nicely printed promo material...reminds me
of the stuff of years gone by...including the wildly exclamatory
claims...not far from "THE GREATEST, MOST BELOVED AND HISTORICALLY
IMORTANT LITERARY ACHIEVEMENT SINCE THE BIBLE!!!" (heh, heh) I hope
that Jeff doesn't use THAT quote and attribute it to ME!!! I've seen
the book and it does really look wonderful. I'm waiting for my copy of
the signed, limited edition.
Msg #1487 Dated 12:31:52 05-01-91 -> 1492
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: ELSMSLEY COUNT
I've been fumbling a bit with the four card Elmsley count. From what
I understand the two cards being pushed off are supposed to be
perfectly aligned so they look like one. When I showed this to my wife
she says it looks like I only have three cards that I'm trying to count
as four. So I got to fumbling a bit more and I noticed that when I
place the first card underneath the packet and then push off the next
two slightly separated it looks a bit like I have placed the second
card on top of the first and then continue to reverse count the next
two cards on top. Can anyone follow what I'm saying? In other words
can a sloppily done Elmsley work as long as you don't separate the two
cards by more than a borders width?
Msg #1491 Dated 13:44:41 05-01-91 1486 <--> 1497
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ERDNASE
Thanks, Wayne. I'd like to see it. Maybe I didn't get one 'cause I
already have the limited edition. And it really is quite a book!
Msg #1492 Dated 13:48:56 05-01-91 1487 <--> 1524
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: ELSMSLEY COUNT
Try looking at it in slow-motion in front of practice mirror. Maybe
even do a close-up videotape of it and see how it looks. Who knows,
maybe you've invented the "Lake Count."
A good Elmsley isn't really hard to do. You just have to practice it
until it is smooth. Rythym is a big part of it. The moves all have to
take the same amount of time. If you have a metronome handy, use it.
If not, count 1 - 2 - 3 - 4. I think I have some notes around here on
a good practice routine. Will see if I can locate 'em.
Msg #1493 Dated 14:24:16 05-01-91 906 <-
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRICK
Hope you like it....
Msg #1494 Dated 14:44:35 05-01-91
From: MARVIN STERN
To: ROBERT BENNETT
Re: MESSAGES
I suggest that you try answering. It's quite easy.
Did you make any of the other shows, or just the close-up room?
Probably will see you Fri at the
Castle. Haven't learned how to back-up a line.
Msg #1495 Dated 15:38:14 05-01-91 -> 1499
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FLYER WUZ ERDNASE
Hold the phones! Stop the copiers! I GOT the Erdnase flyer in the
mail a few moments ago. Seems that the mule that hauls the stuff to
the Arleta postoffice had the flu for a couple of days. Thanks to
everyone who was getting me one.
Msg #1497 Dated 16:56:27 05-01-91 1486 <--> 1498
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ERDNASE
Did Busby come out with a new flyer of stuff (Thaumaturgist) or just
the flyer on the book?
Msg #1498 Dated 17:00:43 05-01-91 1497 <--> 1501
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ERDNASE
It was just an advertisement for the book, Evan. I'm still waiting for
the next Thaumaturgist.
Msg #1499 Dated 17:03:22 05-01-91 1495 <--> 1519
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLYER WUZ ERDNASE
Okee Dokee, David. Glad you got one...quite a flyer, eh?
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