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Msg #2500 Dated 10:58:01 05-15-91 -> 2536
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VISIT
What teeth?
Msg #2501 Dated 10:58:30 05-15-91 -> 2537
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
We have been mentioned in Linking Ring. But you are right, it is time
to send 'em some more info. Maybe they'll write up the vanish of the
overhead projector and production of a hungry cougar that I'm planning
to do.
Msg #2502 Dated 11:00:14 05-15-91 -> 2564
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ALSO TO FROG AND COUNT ZA
I thought of taking a laptop and uploading the story direct from the
Castle. We'll see...
Msg #2503 Dated 11:04:20 05-15-91 -> 2527
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
Hope you don't find this too disappointing - my dissertation was titled
"A Follow-up Study of an Experimental Curriculum for Rural Educable
Mentally Retarded Students at the Secondary Level." Probably explains
my success at management training. I've had a twisted career - busboy,
library clerk, radio and television announcer, university professor,
computer programmer, journalist, etc., etc. Have no idea what I plan
to be when I grow up.
As to the P.S. - Have you totally abandoned the possibility of
spontaneous generation?
Msg #2505 Dated 17:11:13 05-15-91 -> 2506
From: STAN LAKE
To: RILEY MATTHEWS (X)
Re: NEW MEMBER
Thanks for the info. It sounds like you have a unique niche in magic
due to your experience in the police force. I have a particular show
that I do for postal people since that is my line of work. All of the
routines and gags revolve around postal life and problems. (No lack of
material there!) It always goes over well since it is focused towards
them. They seem to take a much more active interest in it than if it
were a more generic type of show. Other than doing parties, I am an
avid amateur magician. I know enough to put on a good show by having
fun with the magic and including my audience to have fun with me. I
don't try to be anything I'm not so I don't have to worry about
slipping out of character. I also know I still have a lot to learn
which is one of the reasons I am on this board nearly every day. There
is a lot of great advice from some very knowledgable magicians on line
which has helped me tremendously. With all of your experience you have
garnered over the years you have much to offer also. Feel free to drop
in on the chit-chat, start a new topic, or offer an effect. We're all
glad to have you on board!
Msg #2506 Dated 18:23:44 05-15-91 2505 <--> 2553
From: RILEY MATTHEWS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: NEW MEMBER
Hello Stan, Thanks for the First Class Mail. I am glad to be onboard.
Later.
Msg #2509 Dated 18:52:00 05-15-91 -> 2621
From: MIKE KING
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: HI FROM TOMMY WONDER
Tommy:
I was reading your message on April 29th regarding Zombie. I am a
magician with a big act, and I intend to add Zombie. I found your
views on Zombie quite interesting, and I was hoping I might be able to
converse with you further. I was planning to invite you to the Magic
Castle in Hollywood to buy you a drink and hear your ideas, but you
dont seem to be living in the area. Do you plan to be in this area
again soon? I would be a delight to meet you.
Regards,
Mike King
Msg #2510 Dated 18:55:39 05-15-91 -> 2519
From: MIKE KING
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ERRANT QUOTATION PERCEPTI
I dont want to interfere with you discussion, but I always found it
helpful to think of the quotation marks used in that way as if saying
*so-called*. In other words, an expert is an expert, but an "expert"
is a so-called expert, meaning he is probably not much of an expert at
all. I find this phrasing useful to remember while writing, and I
thought I would share it in case you found it helpful as well.
Mike King (VJV)
Msg #2516 Dated 21:17:25 05-15-91
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: PLAGERISM
Funny you should mention Houdini, as just yesterday I visited the rare
books section of the UT library. As you know, they have what they say
are `Houdini's Private Files'. UT is a wonderfully funded school - in
fact, I was able to leaf through 2 PERFECT original copies of Discovery
of Witchcraft, from 1584.
Msg #2517 Dated 21:20:05 05-15-91 -> 2522
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: PLAGERISM
To continue on the Houdini papers, I was fascinated, but frankly lost
at the same time. Aside from the large volume of personal
correspondence, photos, etc... the majority of the information seems to
be research he had done into every other vaudville act from the past,
and the then current era. Also, lots of information on Automatons. I
know you are familiar with the collection, because the lady said "One
guy even -={had us do a search for his wedding certificate..." Is
there anything in particular that you would be interested in finding,m
as I'd love an excuse to dig!
Msg #2519 Dated 23:19:17 05-15-91 2510 <--> 2520
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ERRANT QUOTATION PERCEPTI
Thanks, Mike...you're certainly welcome to jump into this or any other
discussion or "thread" on here.
I fully understand and appreciate your "help."
The reason I imply your preface of *so-called* is that I fully
understand the grammatical implications here.
Now, to get ungrammatical....you gots ta reelyze dat I wuz jus funnin'
wid Evan on dis subjeck.
I appreciate your well-intentioned input and look forward to
corresponding with you in the future.
'Wayne.
Msg #2520 Dated 23:41:33 05-15-91 2519 <--> 2526
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ERRANT QUOTATION PERCEPTI
You were only funnin'? You mean to say that you don't actually care
deeply about this puntuation issue.
And to think I thought you cared.
Msg #2521 Dated 23:45:55 05-15-91 -> 2525
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
The doctrine of Occam's Razor is that you do not seek a more
complicated explanation when a simpler one will answer the question --
ancase the simple answer is that most magicians are not very good.
Msg #2522 Dated 0:21:09 05-16-91 2517 <-
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: PLAGERISM
Thank you. Right now I am trying to find information on Houdini and the
Masons. In 1923, Houdini received his degrees in New Yorks St. Cecile
lodge No. 568. See if you can find out who sponsored him. Or if they
have any photos of Houdini as a Mason. Any type of Masonic
documentaion will do. I will be happy to pay you for any copy work.
My address is: P.O. Box 2184 Van Nuys, Ca 91404
P.S. Also trying to find a photo of Houdini in front of the brick wall
that he "walked throught"! Also any info on the Mirror Handcuff
challenge that he did in London. (Letters, notes, etc.).
Msg #2523 Dated 1:35:50 05-16-91 2462 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: OLD FRIENDS
Speaking of Aladdin Books, they are having an "open house" (John
Cannon's quotes, not mine) in their magic annex. The annex houses
quality close-up and platform props, as well a large stock of period-
icals (GENII, LINKING RING, TOPS, New TOPS, MUM, and many others).
John recommends you bring a list of what you need.
.
It will be held from 9am to 3pm, this Saturday May 18th
at 122 1/2 East Commonwealth Ave, 1/2 block east of Harbor Blvd
in Fullerton. That's about a block from the bookstore location.
Msg #2524 Dated 1:35:59 05-16-91 -> 2532
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Did I say ON-LINE, good grief no ! I generated them OFF-LINE -
WHILE I had the message I wanted to reply to on the screen at the
same time. After I enter the reply it is automatically added to a
reply file, then when I call back in I upload ALL the replies
at once. If you'll notice I was only on-line about 5 or 6 minutes
yesterday. That included downloading ALL messages I hadn't read yet
and then uploading the replies I generated off-line. This program
should help cut-down the phone bills for people outside the loacl
area.
Msg #2525 Dated 1:36:07 05-16-91 -> 2528
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I used the Dove Pan & Square Circle as examples of effects that
are so obvious that there is no mystery involved at all. They are
one of the reasons magicians are held in low esteem, by people
who would otherwise enjoy magic.
.
Now regarding the question of whether people don't like magic
because they CAN'T figure it out, I agree, that's ANOTHER reason
poeple don't like magic. A magi that is condescending to his
IGNORANT audience, and is positioning himself as a superior being,
able to defy the laws of physics hurts the art as much as the hack
that performs effects that are obvious to the meanest of
intelligence.
.
There are people who ENJOY being fooled, and these are the ones
the magician should try to entertain with GOOD magic. When I
encounter people who don't like being fooled I try to get away
from them as fast as I can. Why should I waste our time trying
to entertain them with an art form they don't like.
.
Your last point is indeed intriguing. How can I get people who
normally don't like being fooled, to enjoy the way I fool them,
without appearing superior (one source of dislike), or boring
(another), or causing cognitive dissonance (which I think is a
primary cause of dislike) ?
Msg #2526 Dated 1:36:22 05-16-91 2510 <--> 2576
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ERRANT QUOTATION PERCEPTI
I had always used quotations marks for extra "emphasis", but since
the tiatribe and obvious mental health hazard they pose, I've
started using ALL-CAPS to emphazize some POINT. Gosh, I hope this
doesn't get Evan going on the misuse of CAPITAL LETTERS !
Msg #2527 Dated 1:36:29 05-16-91 -> 2534
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
The latest greatest is on its way tonight. It is ready for release.
I guess I'll have to do some documentation (can you help ?). Its
fairly intuitive, so I don't think it will be a real big deal.
.
Regarding reviewers, I totally agree. I just got home from my
monthly review, and found myself unconsciously dicounting some
comments from a guy whose opinion and expertise I didn't respect.
After my own review of the tape I made, I found that he actually
had some good points ! Taking criticism is one of the most difficult
things to do objectively.
Msg #2528 Dated 1:36:38 05-16-91 -> 2529
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
P&T are sucessful in the minds of the public, by creating the
impression that THEY TOO don't like ORDINARY magicians. They have
positioned themselves outside of mainstream magic, and thereby
avoid being considered magicians in the classical sense.
.
I personally think there is a message to their madness, but rather
than listening to what they say, I hear cries of '"Exposure, exposure
- my God, they exposed to an entire audience, the most secret of all
magical props - the THUMB TIP ! Later in the show they used a thumb
tip completely fooled an audience who the very same device on their
own thumbs. If someone catches us using a thumb tip, and we blame
P&T for 'exposure', remember we were the ones that got caught ! Its
our ineptitude that was exposed.
.
I have attended both of P&T's runs at the Wiltern, and the audience
was similiar to one you might see at the Castle awards night. Does
that tell us anything ?
Msg #2529 Dated 1:36:50 05-16-91 -> 2533
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Interesting - Dante suggests a good magician can cause converts,
T A Waters suggests a good magician is considered an aberration and
may not cause conversion as much as surprise. Evan suggests the
public needs to be educated in magic appreciation.
.
If it takes a really outstanding performance to get people to
consider magic as a viable entertainment, what happens the
next time they see an 'average' magician, or worse yet a really
bad one ? Doesn't that put them right back where they started,
not considering magic a worthwhile endeavor.
Msg #2531 Dated 5:53:38 05-16-91 -> 2535
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE LUNCH
Sure wish I was going to the Castle luncheon on Friday but just can't
get away. In my place(?!?), I'm sending a good friend of mine -- Allan
Rentcome. Allan's a great guy from here in Houston by way of England.
He does some really good close-up, especially card stuff, and loves
performing in pubs. He's been thinking about getting on MAGIC!, but
just hasn't gotten around to it. So, you guys have to convince him
that he can't live without it.
As for myself, I'm heading out to LA the first week of June and hope to
get together with some of you. Have fun at the luncheon.
Charlie
Msg #2532 Dated 7:26:20 05-16-91 2524 <--> 2550
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
I thought you meant OFF-LINE, but then I figured "OK, it is still in
test mode." Speaking of which, when will a Beta of the version with
the OFF-LINE reply capability be available?
Msg #2533 Dated 7:30:08 05-16-91 2528 <--> 2544
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Jerry -
Are you saying that people don't like to be "fooled" by ordinary
magicians, but that they like the thrill of being made into fools by
Penn & Teller?
Penn has become increasingly abusive of audience members, as reported
by Variety, the Wall Street Journal, etc. He is condecending and is a
boor.
Popular taste currently includes being insulted and put down by
"comics." It also includes laughing at racial, ethnic and sexual
insults by people like Andrew Dice Clay.
Hmmm... maybe Penn & Teller don't have to work all that hard to make
people into fools. Maybe the audience arrives at the theater with a
considerable head start on the process.
Msg #2534 Dated 7:37:47 05-16-91 2527 <--> 2538
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
I'm looking forward to seeing the latest and greatest version of
RDMAGIC! Would like some Beta test time prior to official release, and
hope that MAGIC! members will provide you with some feedback for the
Beta test. Yes, I will be glad to help with documentation, although
right now, at least thru the next ten days or so, I am up to my neck in
project deadlines. Haven't had much sleep in a week or so.
Msg #2535 Dated 7:43:02 05-16-91 2531 <--> 2574
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: CASTLE LUNCH
Looking forward to meeting Allan. If you are going to be here around
the first week of June, the Castle swap meet is June 1st.
Msg #2536 Dated 9:15:19 05-16-91 2500 <--> 2563
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VISIT
Oh....dentures! Well...if you two have tight lipped smiles then
I guess you could face the front.
(but frogs don't have lips! Do Zamoras smile?)
Msg #2537 Dated 9:15:45 05-16-91 2501 <--> 2615
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
I think an article covering computers and magic with specific
coverage of MAGIC! would be good, or an article just on MAGIC!.
I know that Howard composes some of the LR with WP and then sends
it to Bluffton via modem or FAX where it is scanned. Maybe the
possibility of an electronic version of the LR could be explored.
A number of computer magazines are partially available on disc.
This area might be worthy of discussion with Howard while in
Baltimore.
Just make sure that vanish of a 286 AT Clone isn't included with
the overhead or the cougar!
Msg #2538 Dated 9:16:15 05-16-91 2503 <--> 2565
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
I find it difficult for dissertation titles to evoke ANY emotion!
Since you have revealed yours, I will relent...mine was "Factors
Influncing Adventitious Rooting in Convolvulus Sepium ." Why in
the world would you want to grow up? I think I can identify at
least half of your past jobs in my Cirriculum Vitae as well as
add a few new ones. Howsomever, you still didn't explain the
heavy knowledge of things biological, anatomical, and
developmental.
p.s. to P.S. to my p.s. - You mean spontaneous generation as in
*poof* instant fully grown clone? I can't think of anyway for
development to proceed other than the way you mentioned unless
there is no development.
Msg #2540 Dated 9:18:54 05-16-91 -> 2543
From: BILL WELLS
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MAHJONGG TILES
I want you to know that I had reformed! Yes...recovered and free
of the addiction of Mahjongg! Then I downloaded the magic tile
set from this board...Curses upon your head!!! I have fallen off
the wagon and am again hopelessly addicted to Mahjongg and those
damn great tiles you created.
Seriously, thanks for taking the time to make up the tiles. If
there is anyone out there who hasn't downloaded Nels Anderson's
great Mahjongg game and Jim's magic theme tile set then you are
missing out on two of the great benefits offered on this board.
Msg #2542 Dated 9:59:16 05-16-91 -> 2597
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
.
You say: "Magic, however, is little respected as a theatrical
art, either by people in the general area of show business or
by audiences."
May I add that magic is even less respected as an art form by
the majority of magicians. May be if we could have more respect
for magic as a theatrical art, may be then, eventually it
could get back the respect it deserves.
.
I sometimes scratch behind my ear when I hear magicians saying
oversimplified remarks like, "It does not matter what you do
as long as it entertains", or "Be commercial, do the simple
stuff" etc. What kind of inspiration are we giving each other
when we parrot these kind of dogma's.
Thing are usually much more involved. Many times when one
person makes a remark which goes further than just the surface,
there seems to be two understanding. And if that is not
possible it is often dismissed as unpractical and unrealistic.
It continues to amaze me, the amount of simplistic and dogmatic
talking we find in our field. No wonder magic is almost never
art. What respect for magic one has if one is not interested
in more than the surface?
.
Over the years I have come more and more to the comclusion
that one of the greatest forces which keeps the profile of magic
down is oversimplified thinking and stupid dogma's.
.
Tommy Wonder.
Msg #2543 Dated 11:06:02 05-16-91 2540 <--> 2756
From: JIM SISTI
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAHJONGG TILES
Thanks. They took a while to do but I'm glad you enjoy them. I myself
haven't played in a while, but it is addicting. If you're interested,
a friend of mine just designed some "Wizard of Oz" tiles. Let me know
if you want 'em and I'll upload.
Msg #2544 Dated 12:05:27 05-16-91 2521 <--> 2545
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Me thinks we'll never agree. I believe artists rise to the call of
demand from their audience. Your thinking is sort of a supply side
economics version of this!
Msg #2545 Dated 12:07:25 05-16-91 2525 <--> 2546
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I concur -- lots of times there are people who just can't stand being
fooled. If their aversion is genuine, however, they are not likely to
seek a magic show or performance out.
The most famous magi of our immediate times have specific presentations
that take the heat off fooling people. Doug Henning pretended to be
just as amazed as his audience. This kind of worked, but I personally
think he went over the top with it. Copperfield uses lavish production
to distance himself from the audience behind a curtain of mystery.
This way the magic act becomes theatre -- and people are more willing
to be fooled like this. They'd rather be drawn into a real show where
some suspension of disbelief is triggered in them.
Msg #2546 Dated 12:10:56 05-16-91 2528 <--> 2547
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
It tells me we as magicians must drastically rethink the ways in which
we present ourselves to an audience. Compared to other like art forms,
I really think we have changed with the times the LEAST!
Because it is an art form that relies on secrets, on backroom
fraternizing, radical change or departure is probably not encouraged on
some level. And I'm not talking effects or methods here, just
presentation.
Yes, folks, grin and bear it, but it is incontestably true -- Penn &
Teller have a lesson to teach us all. Not that we should dupe their
act, but they are playing into the derision audiences feel toward us!
Msg #2547 Dated 12:19:02 05-16-91 2529 <--> 2548
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I don't think the public needs educating, I think WE do. Educating in
how to perform in modes that are in most cases more appropriate to
1950's Las Vegas than today.
Dante and TA are right in small ways. Yes, witnessing a great
performance by a magician will encourage someone to see another
performance -- like wanting to go back for more, particularly
delcicious ice cream. And seeing a lousy magician will leave a bad
taste in people's mouths for a while, like getting food poisoning at a
fast food stand.
But sooner or later you're not afraid of all fast food! People are not
trained dogs, they will respond to the marketplace of ideas and
entertainment. A good lesson here is the movie business.
From 1946 to 1071, movie admissions fell off drastically, mostly
because of TV. Since 1971, admissions have stayed relatively constant.
A few good movies, or MANY good movies haven't changed that number.
Nor has a spate of bad ones. It's just that a finite number of
people-hours are available for seeing movies, now that TV is here.
And for magic as well. We need to make ourselves more attractive,
entertaining, WITH-IT! Get them to spend their theatre dollars or
restaurant dollars on seeing us! On seeing a form of entertainment
that doesn't make them feel like their parents. Like idiots.
Msg #2548 Dated 12:25:05 05-16-91 2533 <--> 2549
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
This is the point, David. People WILL be fooled. Even insulted and
degraded. And they'll pay money for it!
As long as they're entertained. With something fresh, challenging and
new. A challenge that goes beyond, where did the dove come from?
Msg #2549 Dated 12:38:00 05-16-91 -> 2551
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Do you consider yourself to be a magician ?
Msg #2550 Dated 12:38:08 05-16-91 2532 <--> 2571
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
I'll upload it tonight. I keep polishing and futzing around with it
but I think its time to go for an initial release. If you bring a
laptop to Friday's lunch, I'll bring a disk with some text I've
captured, and give a demo of how to use it. I assume it will require
3.5" disks - right ?
Msg #2551 Dated 12:38:16 05-16-91 2533 <--> 2570
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Interesting observation. Amazing Jonathan uses the same approach. I
saw him last Sunday on Comic Strip live, it was gross. Evan hinted at
the same, when he observed than what we need are better audiences, so
there would be a demand for better magi.
.
Judging by those that are sucessful, maybe Sado-magic is the more
popular method that we should learn, so we TOO can appeal to those
types of people - Eccch !
.
Regarding P&T, I'm not a great fan of Penn, as I too find him a bit
much. However, some of the questions, concerning the types of magic
performed by ORDINARY magicians (of which they are not - by
definition) may be worthy of consideration.
Msg #2552 Dated 12:54:57 05-16-91 -> 2575
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCH ON THE 17TH
We need to get Johnny on MAGIC!
Msg #2553 Dated 12:56:58 05-16-91 -> 2585
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: RILEY MATTHEWS (X)
Re: NEW MEMBER
Welcome to MAGIC! Riley. You are no part of a growing Sub-culture of
Magic. Question: IS A SUB-CULTURE THE SAME THING AS A GERM??
Welcome anyway!!!!!!
Msg #2554 Dated 13:08:21 05-16-91 -> 2681
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH
David I may stop by tomorrow to say Hi.
Msg #2555 Dated 13:37:27 05-16-91 -> 2623
From: MARVIN STERN
To: ALL
Re: ASSISTANT
Wednesday's Hollywood Reporter has a help wanted ad for Magician's
Assistant - blond female etc. If anyone is interested , let me know
and I put the address on MAGIC or bring it to Friday's lunch.
David, forget it, you're too tall.
Msg #2556 Dated 13:49:09 05-16-91 -> 2557
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
MAGIC CARD UPDATE:
Thank you David, Patrice, Michael for your response.
(Three responses out of 600, is that good??)
Here is some more information:
Scott (Hosey) has been working hard getting prices for this and
has provided an outline for us.
It looks like he needs to produce a minimum of 2500 sets to make
this project viable. The cost of 1000 sets is nearly as much as
the cost of 2500. Of course, the per set price goes down for
higher quantities, but what would I do with 10,000 unsold sets?
A realistic break-even point would be around 1500 sets sold. When
you compare this to equivalent book sales, this may still take
quite a while.
The average retailer sells baseball sets for around $18.95.
We would like to keep these in the same price range.
Wholesale prices (of course) would be reasonably lower.
The hardest part will be getting photos and releases from enough
performers to build a good set.
He needs (minimum) two 8x10 color prints, one full body shot, and
one head shot. This should allow enough leeway for cropping to
make the set look consistent. A B/W print might be acceptable but
would you really want to be the only black and white performer in
a color set?
Anyone on-line wishing to contribute prints (unsigned please) to
this project, should provide some statement releasing the photos
for this ( or future update sets) use only and do not expect any
financial reimbursement. If in doubt, some major Office Products
stores (Bizmart, etc.) or Photography shops have standard release
forms available. Anyone wishing their photos returned should
enclose a prepaid photo mailer.
Send to:
SPORTSCARDS UNLIMITED
c/o Scott Hosey
233 N. Mohave Road #2010
Las Vegas, NV 89101
I would like to see IBM, SAM, and Magic Castle represented, but
in talking to IBM in the past, they don't mind their logo used on
letterheads and the like, but don't like their logo used for a
profit. (not that there will really be any anyway, I'd just like
to see this done) The only one making money will be the investors
since neither Scott nor myself have a spare $10,000 just laying
around.
Some of these sets will be broken up for singles, for people who
might want 100 Ammar cards, (is that subtle enough Michael?).
Some sets will be left in numbered uncut sheets for collectors
for framing.
Scott is now online so any questions can be sent to him directly.
Just in case you forgot, I'll repeat the original message.
Remember, all we need is a positive response. We'll do the rest!
Msg #2557 Dated 13:52:01 05-16-91 2556 <--> 2572
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
A few weeks ago, someone mentioned Magic Trading Cards. I have a
friend, Scott Hosey (a future Magic! member) who owns several
businesses dealing with sports memorabilia and baseball cards. He
is willing (if the interest is there) to work on a Magic card
set.
He is proposing a 66 card set containing, for example, 10 Legends
Cards (past magic greats), 10 magic poster cards, and the rest
general magic and magician cards. The sets can change each year
with a new Legends Series, contest winners, etc.... In every 2nd
or 3rd set, include a special limited release card (Hologram
maybe) to spur sales. Prices should be in line with typical
baseball sets depending, of course, on quantity. These can be
taken to conventions, advertised in Genii, Magic!, whatever.
I have access to some pretty good magic libraries to get him
started, but he needs some ideas on what and who to put on the
cards, and statistics for the back. He also needs some legal help
on permission to release photos, and how to get photos in the
first place. Maybe Pete Biro, and others, can provide contest
winner photos at the conventions they attend with proper
releases.
Scott is more than willing to help out any way he can. We just
need to get the ball rolling.
How about it guys?
Msg #2558 Dated 13:56:00 05-16-91 577 <--> 2684
From: JIM NAGEL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NL
TO DAVID
JIM NAGEL-BIRO IS TRYING TO TEACH ME HOW TO CAPTURE BUT I HAVE A MAC
AND HE IS CONFUSED
Msg #2559 Dated 14:42:31 05-16-91 -> 2578
From: JIM NAGEL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIR0
Biro here.,.. trying to tyupe on a Macintosh SE... whatever that is.
We is workiung on final stuff for IBM and I just got to know if Tab
ahnd the Frog are alive and well.
Gettin' good ole Jim Nagel dialed in on how tgo read messages. As he
does not know, I type tyhis bad all tghe time anyway. R9ight?
Bye
Msg #2560 Dated 14:53:09 05-16-91 -> 2586
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: PALINDROME
Everyone--
Not strictly a magic question, I need help of a puzzle-nature, surely
a related field..
I need to name a character a name that is spelled the same forwards or
backwards. A palindrome, like Radar or Bob, but not specifically radar
or Bob. It can be a palindrome that stretches out over more than than
one word, as long as the two words can pass for a man's first and last
name.
Any suggesstions would be GREATLY appreciated.
Msg #2562 Dated 15:11:03 05-16-91 -> 2618
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: PENN AND TABMAN CANCELLED
Expletive deleted.
Msg #2563 Dated 15:11:38 05-16-91 -> 2589
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VISIT
\only Consuelo!
Msg #2564 Dated 15:13:41 05-16-91 -> 2617
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ALSO TO FROG AND COUNT ZA
Tell him yourself.
Msg #2565 Dated 15:15:45 05-16-91 -> 2566
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
Friendly criticism can indeed provide enlightenment.
Msg #2566 Dated 15:18:16 05-16-91 2503 <--> 2601
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
A fascinating article in the \vegas paper this am on core competency
which really opened my eyes.
Msg #2568 Dated 15:29:05 05-16-91 -> 2626
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
Just spent part of yesterday in the backroom of Gambler's World HDQ in
Vegas - they supply gaming supplies, equipment, etc to worldwide. Am
going to be buying cloth (Mali game table cloth - beautiful) and table
padding from him for a project I'm doing with Jeff Busby Magic. I've
got a few half dollar stuffs, expanded, shaved, folding, copper/silver
but no dollar stuff which I want to get hold of. Might get a metal
milling machine in a few years and try my hand at making some for
myself and my friends. I'll have to put a tabman table together for you
next time I make some (don't worry, the freebies don`t cost me too
much; and since I`m making anyway + I do this for pleasure, remember).
Looking forward to gettting together with you, Pete and Dave, etc next
month.
Msg #2569 Dated 15:34:18 05-16-91 -> 2767
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FFFF
Vernacular obtusity??
Msg #2570 Dated 15:42:04 05-16-91 -> 2583
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
It's TV. When you put DC on it or other network magic the shows seem to
draw favorable comments. When movies came in strong it displaced the
big shows in the theaters and we're a tv society now. Any validity?
Msg #2571 Dated 15:49:09 05-16-91 2524 <--> 2602
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Great news!
Msg #2572 Dated 15:51:27 05-16-91 2556 <--> 2577
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
I don't know if there is anything I can do to help but I am certainly
interested in purchasing some sets of those cards.
Msg #2573 Dated 15:52:59 05-16-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: YER HEEEE'RE
I flew in to BURBANK today - an hour ago - and am at the master console
with the luxury of no phone lines in between. Glad to hear you aren`t
in trouble and will be taking off some time on friday. Will see you ina
while.
Msg #2574 Dated 15:58:14 05-16-91 2531 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: CASTLE LUNCH
Thanks Charlie, wish you could join us too. Looking forward to maybe
seeing you in DC in June.
Msg #2575 Dated 15:59:30 05-16-91 2552 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: LUNCH ON THE 17TH
Then we'll need to get him a computer and a modem first, but I agree.
He is part of the first transatlantic MAGIC! digipics and for that we
certainly thank him for being open minded about having the vid eqip in
his lecture.
Msg #2576 Dated 16:00:59 05-16-91 2520 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ERRANT QUOTATION PERCEPTI
Let's just put a period at the END of this thread!!!
HERE IT IS: .
Msg #2577 Dated 16:02:14 05-16-91 2572 <--> 2579
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Thanks for the response! you're one of the elite few who have even
bothered to answer. All I need is 596 more!
Msg #2578 Dated 16:02:46 05-16-91 2559 <--> 2624
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM NAGEL (X)
Re: BIR0
Up to date finally. Will pik U up at apt anyoletime you say. Spent
evening with Bill Borland of Gamblers World and he has good stuff and
a nice guy. More later when I get to a familiar console.
Msg #2579 Dated 16:04:57 05-16-91 2577 <--> 2581
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
OK, it seems like to me it would take a while to sell off the 1500 to
break even. Maybe a coupla good adz in the Nationals would do it, but
I wonder. Did you mention the price of a set? or did I miss it
somewhere? There is an interest in collecting magic cigarette cards
from Britain (antiques now) so maybe...
Msg #2581 Dated 17:46:31 05-16-91 2577 <--> 2644
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
David- Hopefully you will get many more responses now from our members.
From what I remember in your original message it wasn't clear to me
that you were asking for how many of us would be interested in buying
these cards. When you said "Get the ball rolling", I thought you were
asking for people knowledgable in the start up and working of a project
like this. Now that it is clear to everyone I hope many will take
advantage of this opportunity to help create and own something unique
in magic history.
Msg #2582 Dated 17:51:29 05-16-91 -> 2687
From: RANDY LUND
To: SYSOP
Re: NO LUNCH
Well David, I was presumptuous...I presumed that at least North West
could get their plane in the air...I was wrong, never left the ground
in Kalamazoo and the best they could do was to get me in at 4:00pm
tommorow. In their usual fashion they kept us strung out from 5:20
till almost 8:00 with the now you see it now you don't departure. We
even made it on the plane for 5 min but the flight was not to be.
.
Hence I must, very sadly, cancel my luncheon reservation for tommorow.
I was really looking forward to meeting you and many other members of
MAGIC! as well as visiting the Magic Castle and all. Also thank you
for the offer of the room.
.
I kept the ticket and it's still good for a year or so, so next time
you have a luncheon I'll try and make it. Maybe I can get Marilyn to
came along as well, Wish everyone my best.......
.
Bye for now
Randy Lund
Msg #2583 Dated 18:03:19 05-16-91 2528 <--> 2584
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
When I attended the Penn & Teller shows at the Wiltern, I observed an
audience which was completely different to what you might see at the
Castle awards night (or, for that matter, at the Castle). I am thus
perplexed by your comment.
Msg #2584 Dated 18:17:10 05-16-91 2570 <--> 2587
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Sure, very valid. But variety on network TV is now quite dead. It'll
come back eventually, but old-style magic acts will still be in the
same place they are now, that is, competing against other acts for the
slots. Something fresh, something new, that'll get more magic on TV
and elsewhere.
Msg #2585 Dated 18:38:44 05-16-91 2553 <-
From: RILEY MATTHEWS
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: NEW MEMBER
A germ like in WAR_FARE. I think not, but its damn better than a
Throat_CULTURE.
Riley G.
Psychic Entertainer
Msg #2586 Dated 18:41:48 05-16-91 2560 <--> 2625
From: RILEY MATTHEWS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PALINDROME
ABRA Cac Arba
(HA HA)
Riley G.
Msg #2587 Dated 18:48:36 05-16-91 2547 <--> 2588
From: RILEY MATTHEWS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Tell it like it is!!!!
Riley G.
Psychic Entertainer
Msg #2588 Dated 18:50:06 05-16-91 2549 <--> 2594
From: RILEY MATTHEWS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Always an ENTERTAINER First!!!!
Riley G.
Psychic Entertainer
Msg #2589 Dated 18:53:19 05-16-91 2536 <--> 2768
From: RILEY MATTHEWS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VISIT
PEA????
Riley G.
New York City's
Psychic Entertainer
Msg #2592 Dated 19:14:35 05-16-91 -> 2593
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: PREMONITION
behind the bushes to the left of your front door.
Msg #2593 Dated 19:33:50 05-16-91 2592 <-
From: RICHARD HART
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: PREMONITION
Would you believe _inside_ a Weber Kettle Bar-b-que? No wonder Thavant
is such "hot" stuff!
Msg #2594 Dated 19:53:15 05-16-91 2545 <--> 2595
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Are you implying that magic as theatre is not the 'real show' that
they'd rather be drawn into ? Can't you have theatre where some
suspension of belief is triggered ? It seems to me that the two
are inseparable. I personally find the most enjoyable effects are
ones that give me a mini-play with the magic woven in to enhance
the overall experience.
.
You will notice I always use the word 'effect' rather than 'trick'.
To me there is a great difference. A trick is part of an effect. An
effect is the entire performance, including setting the mood for
the magic, establishing a rationale for what is too occur, and
generally elevating the mere 'trick' to something memorable in the
spectators mind. Isn't this what theatre is all about ?
Msg #2595 Dated 19:53:27 05-16-91 2546 <--> 2596
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Sad, but true !
Msg #2596 Dated 19:53:33 05-16-91 2583 <--> 2605
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I said similiar to the audience at the awards.
.
By that I meant, there were professional magicians, as well as
other celebs associated with magic (I think Harry Anderson
may fall into that category, as he is no longer thought of as
just a magician), plus alot of folks who associate with magic.
.
My point was that P&T draw a lot of magicians, in spite of their
reputation for putting magicians down. They are putting down
magicians of the 'old school' and just may be making a point that
we should be considering.
.
And yes, the audience taken as a WHOLE was completely different
than one you would see at awards night, as the percentage of castle
members was a lot higher at the awards. I'll have to me more careful
with my analogies. Does that clarify the statement ?
Msg #2597 Dated 19:53:59 05-16-91 2542 <--> 2620
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
To: Tommy Wonder
From: Jerry Burton
The concept of magic as art IS a foreign concept to many magicians.
How many magicians have ever taken the time to take a class in
acting, speech, or theatre ? Most consider magic as doing tricks,
and nothing more ! I have talked to people that consider themselves
competent magicians, that deride someone's lecture for being TOO
THEORETICAL, not enough tricks.
.
It seems we need a series of seminars, or even perhaps courses, for
magicians to attend where they are introduced to the principles of
what makes magic an art form. We certainly have enough people on the
lecture tour, showing (and selling) their latest 'tricks'. I wonder
Msg #2598 Dated 19:42:25 05-16-91 -> 2646
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: MATHEMATICS
Anyone in the L.A. area know higher mathematics? Just received some
information from NASA relating to a Houdini article I am working on.
It's sure above my head. HELP!! I'm in Van Nuys. Perhaps we could get
together at the Magic Castle for a Sunday brunch. My treat. I think
it's physics.
Msg #2601 Dated 20:14:16 05-16-91 2538 <--> 2669
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
I wish I knew what youse guys are talking about. I just landed back in
Indy and Nagel and I solvd all the IBM problems. Now if we could only
do the same for COMPAQ!
Msg #2602 Dated 20:15:51 05-16-91 2524 <--> 2642
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Sounds great. Much like I use TAPCIS for on Compusrve... love that
program.
Msg #2604 Dated 20:17:53 05-16-91 -> 2627
From: ANDREW T OAKDEN
To: ALL
Re: ZOMBIE ROUTINES
Any one out there have any really good ideas or routines for the
zombie? Thanks!
Msg #2605 Dated 20:19:52 05-16-91 -> 2606
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Practice. But... practice WHAT? That is the real question. Har.
Msg #2606 Dated 20:20:32 05-16-91 -> 2607
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Not everyone has lost the art.... there are some...
Msg #2607 Dated 20:22:03 05-16-91 2521 <--> 2609
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I have just recently been hanging out at ILLUSIONS, a magical
restaurant -- and the customers are seeing GREAT MAGIC (because Mike
Close is in charge and he has top guys working) and they are coming
back and really having a great time. The magic is better than good and
they folks paying the tab seem to know it! Word of mouth advertising is
what is doing it!
Msg #2608 Dated 20:19:05 05-16-91
From: ANDREW T OAKDEN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: EUGENE BURGER
Mr. Ammar,
I really liked your article in GENIE on Eugene Burger. Sounds like
you have alot of respect for him. Talk to you later.
Andy
Msg #2609 Dated 20:24:35 05-16-91 2528 <--> 2610
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Good example. Exposing then fooling them later. Har!
Msg #2610 Dated 20:27:26 05-16-91 2583 <--> 2631
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Maybe they were just dressed well.
Msg #2611 Dated 20:28:54 05-16-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: LECTURE
I didn't read wes' comments, but the Cannibal Card handling (as I
recall) was all Matt's -- I was just a hanger on at the time. Or was
Matt hanging around me? We did a lot of travelling together to save $
(his grandfather payed his air fares to Europe in those days) I have
completely lost track of Matt. Will be at Illusions SAt. nite (is now
Thurs) saw Geo. Sands lecture last night. I lecture Monday. Will be
with Harry riser.
Msg #2612 Dated 20:33:40 05-16-91 -> 2628
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ILLUSIONS
Pete,
Give my regards to Mike Close and Chris Moore while you're at
Illusions. Thanks!
Msg #2614 Dated 20:35:13 05-16-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: ZOMBIE
Why the backdrop? Why not your wardrobe? Combine it with the Okito
version of the floating ball! hmmmmm
Msg #2615 Dated 20:36:15 05-16-91 -> 2616
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
Thre is a picture of me.
Msg #2616 Dated 20:36:56 05-16-91 2537 <--> 2668
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
Mercury Cougar?
Msg #2617 Dated 20:37:25 05-16-91 2502 <--> 2685
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ALSO TO FROG AND COUNT ZA
Don't get any food on the Laptop.
Msg #2618 Dated 20:37:57 05-16-91 -> 2629
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: PENN AND TABMAN CANCELLED
Amazing. Have you been to Abbotts? At each end of the roof are a pair
of "-marks!
Msg #2620 Dated 20:39:30 05-16-91 2542 <--> 2622
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
To: Tommy Wonder
From: Jerry Burton
The concept of magic as art IS a foreign concept to many magicians.
How many magicians have ever taken the time to take a class in
acting, speech, or theatre ? Most consider magic as doing tricks,
and nothing more ! I have talked to people that consider themselves
competent magicians, that deride someone's lecture for being TOO
THEORETICAL, not enough tricks.
.
It seems we need a series of seminars, or even perhaps courses, for
magicians to attend where they are introduced to the principles of
what makes magic an art form. We certainly have enough people on the
lecture tour, showing (and selling) their latest 'tricks'. I wonder
what the attendance would be if the lecture was "Principles of Magic
Msg #2621 Dated 20:39:39 05-16-91 2509 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: HI FROM TOMMY WONDER
Whynot a stationery silver ball and the magicians moves around weirdly?
Msg #2622 Dated 20:41:38 05-16-91 2597 <--> 2640
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I recall an act where the magi came onstage with a white sheet over
his, completely covering him. He did the Linking rings, the rings
outside the sheet (he inside). I thought it was FANTASTIC but all the
magicians(?) around me thought it was terrible. Arrrrggghhhhh. Progress
died some that day!
Msg #2623 Dated 20:43:23 05-16-91 2555 <--> 2682
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ASSISTANT
Sounds Sexist to me.
Msg #2624 Dated 20:45:08 05-16-91 2578 <--> 2670
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIR0
YO... BE HONEST IS COMING IN ON 25 JUNE A PROBLEM? Wells just thot I
wasn't gong to be there enuf comin in on 26 and having to go to work in
Balto on the 27th fo the convention stuff. New plan for you is to help
to set up and run the tech on the first day contest show (at hotel) I
think we have a killer guy (in balt) for stage manager job.
Msg #2625 Dated 20:46:55 05-16-91 2560 <--> 2638
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PALINDROME
Boob? ORBRO. Nah, I'm too tired to think right now...
Msg #2626 Dated 20:48:09 05-16-91 2568 <--> 2673
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
Howiz the ORAF layouts?
Msg #2627 Dated 20:48:52 05-16-91 2604 <--> 3050
From: PETE BIRO
To: ANDREW T OAKDEN (X)
Re: ZOMBIE ROUTINES
You are late.
Msg #2628 Dated 20:49:11 05-16-91 2612 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: ILLUSIONS
Will do...
Msg #2629 Dated 20:50:05 05-16-91 2618 <--> 2710
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PENN AND TABMAN CANCELLED
I've gotta check that out! Do you have their address?
Msg #2631 Dated 21:10:25 05-16-91 2596 <--> 2635
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Thanks for the clarification; your point was obscured. Indeed, Penn &
Teller do draw a lot of magicians. I have observed in the past that the
general opinion of Penn & Teller among magicians is probably negative,
but among professional magicians the opinion is, so far as I've seen,
overwhelmingly favorable.
But I think a significant topic for discussion is the fact that, as
we seem to agree, the audience they draw is quite different from the
audience for most magic shows.
Msg #2632 Dated 21:12:55 05-16-91 -> 2700
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: BLOOD
HELP!!!
A friend of mine in Seattle needs a source for stage
blood, to be used in a surgery scene in a stage play.
She prefers that it not stain, so that the costumes may
be washed and used again the next night. Does anyone
have a source or -- even better -- a formula? I am
particularly intrigued by whatever it is that Penn and
Teller use, because their stuff splatters onto their
suits. Anybody knowledgeable on this?
-- Steve
Msg #2633 Dated 21:15:56 05-16-91 -> 2645
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: ENVELOPE
I left an envelope for you c/o Suzanne's desk at the Castle last night;
hope it reached you.
Msg #2634 Dated 22:08:10 05-16-91 -> 2692
From: SCOTT HOSEY
To: ALL
Re: HELLO
HELLO EVERYONE, JUST A QUICK NOTE TO SAY HI. I BEEN ON THE NETWORK
JUST A FEW DAYS AND I'VE JUST BEGUN TO LEARN MY WAY AROUND THIS BBS
MAYBE IN TIME I'LL GET BETTER. ANYWAY I'M THE INDIVIDUAL WORKING
BEHIND THE MAGIC TRADING CARDS MR. DAVE VANVRANKEN HAS BEEN TALKING
ABOUT. DAVE HAS BEEN KEEPING YOU'LL UP TO DATE AND I'VE BEEN WORKING
ON GETTING INFORMATION GATHERED. DAVE OR MYSELF WILL KEEP YOU ALL UP TO
DATE. PLEASE MORE RESPONSES SO WE CAN GET INFORMATION ON THIS END.
THANKS, AND ONCE AGAIN HELLO, SCOTT HOSEY
Msg #2635 Dated 23:00:50 05-16-91 2594 <--> 2636
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
All I'm saying is that outright theatricality is one way magic can be
presented without making the audience feel that a
challenge-to-be-fooled exists between them and the magician. It's just
one way of creating a good environment. Doug Henning had another way
(although, of course he was theatrical as well).
I think the attitudinal difference between an -effect- and a -trick- is
important.
Msg #2636 Dated 23:42:05 05-16-91 2544 <--> 2637
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Artists (?) who steadfastly refuse to learn the basics of performance
work are hard put to rise to anything...
Msg #2637 Dated 23:43:54 05-16-91 2549 <--> 2641
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I have worked professionally as a magician and mentalist, but I
consider myself to be primarily an actor and secondarily a writer.
Msg #2638 Dated 23:46:52 05-16-91 2560 <--> 2639
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PALINDROME
Arthur Ruthra, Roger Regor, Albert Trebla, Horace Ecaroh, Homer Remoh
Msg #2639 Dated 23:48:26 05-16-91 2560 <--> 2649
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PALINDROME
Arthur Ruthra, Roger Regor, Albert Trebla, Horace Ecaroh, Homer Remoh
Msg #2640 Dated 23:56:08 05-16-91 2542 <--> 2650
From: T A WATERS
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I often hear it as "Hey, I don't care what I do as long as I entertain
them." That's a line I have heard countless times from magicians and
NOT ONCE from anyone in other areas of show business. What it says to
me is "...I'm so desperate for attention that I will do anything to get
it; I don't want to create something for people to enjoy, I just want
to get their approval." You're quite right; a lot, perhaps most people
in magic don't want to do the hard work necessary to become
accomplished as performers -- they simply want attention and ego
gratification, and they can do that quicker with magic (unfortunately)
than with just about anything else.
Msg #2641 Dated 0:00:58 05-17-91 2635 <--> 2643
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
It might be pointed out that one reason why many who don't like magic
DO like mentalism is precisely this point; they think the magician is
decieving them, but they accept what the mentalist does as a
demonstration of a real skill.
Msg #2642 Dated 0:03:28 05-17-91 2602 <--> 2680
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Its not quite that sophisticated, but I think it will serve our
purposes. I typically go on the board once a day, pull all the msgs
I haven't read using RC;* with capture on (I use Procomm, but most
all terminals programs can capture the screen into a named file -
I typically use MAGCmmdd.log mm=month dd=day), this blasts all the
msgs onto my computer, and I log off immediately. Normally, takes
about 3-4 minutes.
.
One of the options strips all the system stuff out of the file
and leaves you with just the messages. You can then read them one
at a time in either sequential and/or thread order and enter
replies on the fly. As I type this now your msg 2602 is in the
background. The program builds a reply file (I normally use
MAGCmmdd.rep). When I finish, all I have to do is call
back-in, log on and use an ACSII upload at the main menu. This
typically takes 1-2 minutes, for even fairly large responses.
.
You need to have your ASCII upload set to pace on a : (58 decimal).
All of your replies are sent to the appropriate places. You can reply
using either an EA (to append to end of a given thread) or ER (to
respond to a particuliar message).
.
David will be testing it a bit and then release it for general use.
You could probably download a copy and help with the tests - ask
David. Currently its called RDMAGIC.
Msg #2643 Dated 0:02:32 05-17-91 2529 <--> 2647
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
THE THEORY IS oh never mind. Once one has seen
a bad magician but knows the good ones wre out
there hopefully that person will seek out the
better one so as not to leave a bad after
taste. They must know though that the tasty
ones are out there. make sense?
Msg #2644 Dated 0:22:28 05-17-91 2556 <--> 2683
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
How many cards are in a set? I thought about
this quite a while ago when the famous
murderers, Betty Page, and Jonestown Massacre
cards came out and thought it may be
economically feasible to sell "chance" cards in
a pack of 5 or so. This way the kid won't have
to lay out $18.95 for a set of cards when he
should be buying a book. They become more
sought after and literally "trading" cards.
just a thought and you wouldn't have to sell
1500 sets which seems impossible at $18.95 a
set. I must confess though that I would snatch
one up and come to think of it a couple
conventions and you may come close.
Msg #2645 Dated 0:33:51 05-17-91 2633 <--> 2652
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ENVELOPE
Got the review. Thanks for the Wordstar. Will
run it asap. Lunch sounds good or anytime your
up at the castle early.
Msg #2646 Dated 0:37:20 05-17-91 2598 <--> 2667
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: MATHEMATICS
Arthur Benjamin is a prof. of Math at
Claremont. A very nice fella who worked the
parlor about a year ago. He dreams numbers!
anyway, hes a subscriber so I have his address
as does Suzanne at the castle. Give a ring.
Msg #2647 Dated 0:48:26 05-17-91 2641 <--> 2648
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Yup.
Msg #2648 Dated 0:48:44 05-17-91 2643 <--> 2653
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Yup.
Msg #2649 Dated 0:49:44 05-17-91 2639 <--> 2664
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PALINDROME
Thank, Jerry
sg #2650 Dated 0:55:14 05-17-91 2640 <--> 2658
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Some ways people can get attention and ego gratification EVEN QUICKER
than with magic:
1. Run around naked in public.
2. Write poetry and read it to yourself.
3. Run around naked in public while reading your poetry to yourself.
4. Hold up a bank.
5. Surround yourself with people less good-looking/smart than
yourself.
6. Pretend beautiful women (or men) in magazines can speak, and that
when they do, they say flattering things.
7. Become a critic.
Msg #2651 Dated 1:01:03 05-17-91 -> 2693
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Manana, 11:30 por la manana. Si?
Msg #2652 Dated 1:33:53 05-17-91 2645 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: ENVELOPE
Say when.
Msg #2653 Dated 1:46:06 05-17-91 2643 <--> 2654
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Yes - I feel your have to see a lot of bad magic in order to
see good magic. Unfortunately, there aren't enough people who
will look at a lot of magic, note & ignore the bad,
and savor the good
.
I have my own personal list that contains both types. I seek out
the good ones and have learned the ones to avoid. Occasionally, I
have to suffer through a medicre performance, but just once.
.
The key is to get people to understand that magic, like any other
art form, has both good and bad. I'm very careful when I take friends
to the Castle that I pick a week when I have personally seen
the acts before. That way I can be assured that at least they see
the highest (or at least known) quality. In that way they
at least have a standard by which to judge other magicians
they may see in the future.
.
By the way, have enjoyed the new look of Genii - good job.
Msg #2654 Dated 1:46:18 05-17-91 2631 <--> 2655
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
OK - what other show(s) should we use as a comparison ?
Msg #2655 Dated 1:46:24 05-17-91 2635 <--> 2656
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I think we are reaching convergence of opinion here. I contend
that a magician should avoid the 'challenge' aspect at all costs.
I should never embarass a member of the audience, unless I have
a heckler that is being disruptive and I have to quiet the person
down. If I take the approach that I'm going to do some magic FOR
you, rather than prove how smart I am (and by implication, how
dumb you are), then it can be a beneficial experience for us both -
rather than a zero-sum game, where if I fool you I win and you lose,
and if you catch me I lose and you win.
.
My main objective should be to entertain my audience using the
medium of magic. If I can create a momentary sense of wonder in
the audience's mind, then I think I have succeeded in my primary
Msg #2656 Dated 1:46:37 05-17-91 2636 <--> 2657
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Where do you learn the basics ? I took an improv class at Cal
State LB, and when the teacher found out I wanted it to improve
my techniques in the performance of magic, I got the distinct
impression that I was dismissed immediately - I wasn't an actor,
omly a lowly magician, why waste time on a magician !
.
Several of the top magicians have degrees in the theatricial arts
(Jonathan Pendragon for sure), but how about the rest of us that
would like to learn the basics, and can't really go back to school
on a full-time basis ?
Msg #2657 Dated 1:46:47 05-17-91 2637 <--> 2659
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Just wondering, you seem to have a rather low opinion of
magicians, and the only time I've ever seen you perform you
did a straight mentalist act.
Msg #2658 Dated 1:46:53 05-17-91 2640 <--> 2678
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Are the really good magicians, who have worked hard to put
together an entertaining, enjoyable show doing it for anything other
than ego-gratification ?
.
I agree that magic is probably the only method I can think of
that you can get into with nothing more than a few 'tricks' to
amaze (bore) your friends and the guys down at the local pub. If
you started doing the soliloquy of Hamlet in your local bar, the
guys in the white coats would come and get you - but magic is
acceptable (tolerated) in most any situation.
Msg #2659 Dated 1:47:02 05-17-91 2641 <--> 2661
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Are you saying that the magician's deception is bad, but the
mentalist's deception is good. I don't get it ????
.
Maybe, I should go back and read the Bruce Randolph
letter again. I must have missed something here.
Msg #2661 Dated 1:59:22 05-17-91 2584 <--> 2662
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Well, I see something of what you guys were talking about a while back.
\was at the \\castle tonite with Sysop, Ron Bieber, etc and saw three
shows and heard the same "laugh" line in all three. You're right about
new and exciting. Sounds like a car commercial.
Msg #2662 Dated 2:02:39 05-17-91 2631 <--> 2663
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
The concert crowd.
Msg #2663 Dated 2:05:15 05-17-91 2656 <--> 2679
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
There are teachers who WILL take you seriously if you look for them.
Msg #2664 Dated 2:07:06 05-17-91 2625 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PALINDROME
Otto Barrab.
Msg #2667 Dated 2:10:36 05-17-91 2598 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: MATHEMATICS
For a minit I thought you said psychics.
Msg #2668 Dated 2:10:32 05-17-91 2537 <--> 2763
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
Sounds interesting - will try to talk w/Howard in Baltimore, if you'll
introduce me.
Gee... I thought the 286's vanished some time ago...
Msg #2669 Dated 2:12:14 05-17-91 2538 <--> 2671
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
OK, OK, you forced me into it - I used to teach developmental
psychology, and medical aspects of mental retardation. Did my clinical
internship at Children's Hospital in L.A. As to my resume, I just hit
the high points - the major stuff - like busboy.
Yeah, "spontaneous generation" - remember, the worms in the horse
troths and all that? Granted, proximodistal development has to be
pretty much of a given, but cephalocaudal doesn't seem all that
necessary, more of a recent development due to CNS.
Msg #2670 Dated 2:14:54 05-17-91 2624 <--> 2716
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIR0
Pick you up any day you want. BBQ any time we want. No problem with any
of it.
Msg #2671 Dated 2:16:57 05-17-91 2566 <--> 2672
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
Look forward to reading the article. Core competency has significant
implications for magic.
Msg #2672 Dated 2:18:00 05-17-91 2601 <--> 2676
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
We're just doin' what the message header says - reviewing old magic.
Glad to hear that all the IBM problems are solved. You should have
been here to solve the hairy one I had last night - bug in one of their
very pre-release programs.
Msg #2673 Dated 2:16:37 05-17-91 2626 <--> 2717
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
Non existent. Was sort of an inside joke to those guys and we were
first guys to fall for it. They got great green cloth, etc. Other stuff
too. He's interested in carrying some sets whenever. Also got antique
type clay chips which might do good. Am inspired after visiting with
Bill. Geno a no show so no number on M. Gold but will tele GM tomorrow
and get it. Also, guy at layout store probably knows.
Msg #2676 Dated 2:21:14 05-17-91 2671 <--> 2686
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
I think so too. It took me by surprise reading of it in the Vegas paper
this morning. Usually stuff in paper makes no sense, but this is too
good not to share.....for a price.
Msg #2678 Dated 2:32:06 05-17-91 2650 <--> 2713
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
LOVED IT! But I think we are being too hard on ourselves. OK because
it is producing a lot of good thought, but... Magic is probably one of
the few art forms left that a young person can enter and can retain as
a lifelong hobby. How many people still gather around the piano to
sing songs in the evening? There are a lot of good folks here on
MAGIC! who aren't interested in becoming professional and yet who put
in hours working on their development - and not just slights, etc.
Magic enriches their (our) lives in a million different ways.
Msg #2679 Dated 2:38:59 05-17-91 2548 <--> 2705
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Evan -
I think you need to categorize your remarks - SOME people like to be
fooled, insulted and degraded. In addition to Penn & Teller and Andrew
Dice Clay, there are other people who earn livings plying that trade -
some of 'em wear leather, carry whips, and, I'm told, make excellent
incomes.
I like a lot of the "new magic." But I also like classics too.
Personally, I don't care where the dove came from (it could be Mrs.
Brody's kitchen) any more than I care where Machiavelli got his oil
paints.
Msg #2680 Dated 2:49:45 05-17-91 2550 <--> 2714
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Er... I don't have an MS-DOS laptop! Will try to look at the newest
version as soon as I can, but that may be AFTER lunch!
Msg #2681 Dated 2:52:45 05-17-91 2554 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: LUNCH
GREAT! Will look forward to seeing you - 11:30 a.m.
Msg #2682 Dated 2:53:17 05-17-91 2555 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ASSISTANT
Did they seriously have a height restriction, Marvin? I could contest
that part in court.
Msg #2683 Dated 2:56:51 05-17-91 2556 <--> 2703
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
This is a terrific project! I really like the idea. I've printed the
message so that I can look at the numbers, etc. At 3 a.m., I'm not at
my best at that stuff.
Msg #2684 Dated 2:59:16 05-17-91 2558 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM NAGEL (X)
Re: MAGIC NL
We've been trying to find a Mac consultant for some time, but haven't
had any volunteers. 'Fraid I'm not much help either - I speak MS-DOS
and some Amiga, but no Mac.
Msg #2685 Dated 3:03:32 05-17-91 2617 <--> 2718
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALSO TO FROG AND COUNT ZA
why not?
Msg #2686 Dated 3:04:41 05-17-91 2676 <--> 2762
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
This is wild! Sitting two feet from you and typing messages to each
other! Maybe I should set up that second fax machine? Nah, just have
your computer call my computer and we'll do lunch (11:30 a.m. today!).
Msg #2687 Dated 3:08:02 05-17-91 2582 <--> 2697
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: NO LUNCH
We are distraught! Seriously! Tabb and I had left for the Castle just
before your message came in. Max Maven was kind enough to pass it on.
We got back and read it and it was a sorry moment around here.
Damn! Like you said, another time. Heck, maybe you could even spend
an extra day or two and we could show you part of L.A.
Msg #2692 Dated 3:17:25 05-17-91 2634 <--> 2707
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT HOSEY (X)
Re: HELLO
Glad to have you with us, Scott. And I think the cards are a GREAT
idea. I definitely want a couple of sets. But don't know how the
numbers work out. Maybe someone else can offer advice on that.
Msg #2693 Dated 3:18:18 05-17-91 2651 <--> 2706
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LUNCH
Nope! You signed on after 1 a.m. ON the day of the lunch - Manana will
be too late!
Msg #2697 Dated 4:06:55 05-17-91 2687 <--> 2701
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NO LUNCH
Yes, it seems everytime I use that misbegotten airline for pleasure
they manage to totally screw things up....We will have to discuss a
mutually agreeable date for another attempt.
.
Randy
Msg #2700 Dated 8:30:08 05-17-91 2632 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: BLOOD
Steve: I have worked in the motion picture business for a number of
years and having directed my 2.3 required horror films to become a
director, I have had the occasion to use "fake" blood on more than one
occasion. The best I have used or have seen used by SFX guys is a
mixture of Karo syrup, food coloring and a bit of PhotoFlo (gotten fron
Make that from, a Photo shop) for a perservative. To the best of my
knowledge, this mixture doesn't stain, but I'd test it first on the
particular type of cloth before taking a bath in it. Hope that helps.
MIKE KING>
Msg #2701 Dated 10:18:17 05-17-91 2697 <--> 2805
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: NO LUNCH
Anytime, Randy!
Msg #2703 Dated 10:29:13 05-17-91 2644 <--> 2704
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Dante,
Right now we're considering a 60 card set. You're right, it might be
a bit high for kids as trading cards, so we will have ome broken sets
available as "wax pack" style sets with 15 cards per set. These can be
random cards or sequence, it hasn't yet been decided. As long as you're
here, what about providing a Magic Castle print for the set? An outline
for a bio on the back would also be appreciated, otherwise we'll write
what we can from books.
All I get out of this project is the satisfaction that I did it. As
long as the investor gets his money back, I'd call it a success.
Thanks,
David
Msg #2704 Dated 10:35:32 05-17-91 2683 <--> 2709
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
That's my best time! the kid is in bed, the house is quiet, it seems
it's the only time I have for ME.
Have a nice lunch friday. Wish I was there!
Msg #2705 Dated 10:53:27 05-17-91 2655 <--> 2722
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I agree. Entertain and wonder are the key words, don't you think?
Msg #2706 Dated 10:57:13 05-17-91 2693 <--> 2811
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH
Scare me there for a minute.
Msg #2707 Dated 12:23:02 05-17-91 2634 <--> 2712
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: SCOTT HOSEY (X)
Re: HELLO
Calm down Scott and back off on the CAPS LOCK key.
Msg #2708 Dated 14:18:54 05-17-91 -> 2725
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: LUNCH
"Nice afternoon." "Nice people." Thanks for the button. Hope you get
the Vegas job.
Msg #2709 Dated 14:24:06 05-17-91 2579 <--> 2715
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Tabman:
No, I didn't specify a firm price, it depends on printing costs, how
many color separations, etc. We're hoping to hold the price consistent
with Baseball Card prices which should be about $18.00 per set.
Wholesale and Magic! price should be near $10.00 but nothing is
definite yet. We still need Photo's and releases before we're anywhere
near getting printing estimates.
Msg #2710 Dated 14:34:31 05-17-91 2629 <--> 2720
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PENN AND TABMAN CANCELLED
You faked me out. I went "B" to back to see what address you were
looking for......AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Msg #2712 Dated 14:38:48 05-17-91 2634 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT HOSEY (X)
Re: HELLO
Scott... turn off the ALL CAPS... it sounds like you are shouting and
is harder to read. Otherwise, Welcome Aboard!
Msg #2713 Dated 14:40:24 05-17-91 2640 <--> 2723
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I guess I will have to toss in my dos centavos.
TO ME... it is 99-percent personality and style on stage. There are
very successful actors that cannot act, but are/were so strong a
personality (Duke Wayne) that the audiences loved 'em. Same with Mojo
men, singers, you name it. If they like you THEY LIKE YOU.
Msg #2714 Dated 14:43:28 05-17-91 2642 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Sounds great. You see I was on over an hour writing replies live... duh
Msg #2715 Dated 14:44:11 05-17-91 2703 <--> 2736
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Why not make it a 52 card set and use the back of playing cards?
Msg #2716 Dated 14:45:56 05-17-91 2670 <--> 2740
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIR0
Many big graciases, etc. Wells will pitch in toooooooo.....ooooo
Msg #2717 Dated 14:46:42 05-17-91 2673 <--> 2741
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
Didn't understand NO FARO LAYOUTS? YES FARO LAYOUTS?
Msg #2718 Dated 14:47:28 05-17-91 2685 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ALSO TO FROG AND COUNT ZA
They will think you bought it from the Goshman estate!
Msg #2720 Dated 15:24:19 05-17-91 2710 <--> 2760
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PENN AND TABMAN CANCELLED
(snicker!)
Actually, that "snicker" is a total fabrication...you handed me a real
belly-laff, Pete! Thanx.
Msg #2721 Dated 15:25:48 05-17-91 -> 2742
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: LUNCH
I wanted to take a moment to say Thanx to David for organizing the 2nd
MAGIC! luncheon. I really enjoyed breaking bread with all of you and
finally getting to meet the Tabman, too. Tabby presented David with a
truly beautiful mounted wand...a stunning example of the Tabman's
craftmanship. I'm sorry I had to duck out early. As it was, I had
them move my recording session from Noon to 1:00 so I could at least
get to spend a little time with you all and scarf down some grub!
What a great group!
Msg #2722 Dated 15:32:22 05-17-91 2656 <--> 2745
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I used to teach acting, improvisation and comedy technique, (at the
Improvisation, Coronet Theatre, Debbie Reynolds Studio and other
places), and have often thought of conducting a performance workshop
for magi. It's one of those projects that never seems to get off the
back burner. If you're looking for strictly acting techique, I could
recommend many classes.
Msg #2723 Dated 16:14:26 05-17-91 2658 <--> 2726
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Magic is not acceptable - or even tolerated - in "most any situation,"
any more than other performing arts.
As for your query concerning the reason(s) why good magicians work
hard to create a show, by my definitions it is impossible for the end
result to be good if the motive is ego-gratification. There is a real
value in ego-gratification, mind you -- if you're not getting any from
your work, you're in the wrong profession. But art is based upon other
directions; ego-gratification is a perk along the way.
Msg #2724 Dated 16:17:35 05-17-91
From: SCOTT HOSEY
To: ALL
Re: HELLO
Sorry to all about the caps lock. This was my first attempt online
and I think I've found all the in's and out's of this system now.
Msg #2725 Dated 16:52:33 05-17-91 2708 <--> 2727
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Thanks for YOUR button, Marvin!
Msg #2726 Dated 16:53:39 05-17-91 2723 <--> 2733
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
It is very accepted to tell a joke to an informal gathering. Much less
so to pull out a deck of cards and do a trick. Why?
Msg #2727 Dated 17:26:38 05-17-91 2725 <--> 2812
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LUNCH
You're welcome. Looking forward to you stopping by, in as much as you
are in the neighborhood; or is it "neighborhood"?
Msg #2730 Dated 18:06:04 05-17-91 -> 2743
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: AMMAR BOOK
Just received the new Ammar book in the mail!
It looks incredible!
Msg #2732 Dated 18:16:15 05-17-91
From: RILEY MATTHEWS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MENTALISM
Hello, see my remarks to TA WATERS!
Msg #2733 Dated 19:55:07 05-17-91 2726 <--> 2737
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Because, I think, there is a formal claim of attention in performing a
magic trick which is out of line in an informal social context. Telling
a joke is a softer claim, and thus accepted. To stand up and do a full
comedic monologue is not.
Msg #2735 Dated 20:00:41 05-17-91 -> 2744
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: ALL
Re: LUNCH
Fantastic! The best was the company present and second was the 'booty'.
A Crab badge from David, Another Rabit from Marvin, and $1,000,00
bill from Burton. Thanks again.
Msg #2736 Dated 20:15:47 05-17-91 2709 <--> 2758
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
If I can help, let me know.
Msg #2737 Dated 20:17:21 05-17-91 2713 <--> 2750
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
That's it in a "nut-shell."
Msg #2738 Dated 20:16:34 05-17-91 -> 2819
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACK & TELLER
No, terrible magician has already been achieved, namely in "World's
Greatest Magicians at the Magic Castle". Let's see... terrible to
fictional to.... Hmmm. Non-existent has to be coming up soon.
Msg #2740 Dated 20:18:55 05-17-91 2716 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIR0
OK, great luncheon today with super people and excellent conversation.
We missed you and it would of been great if you could of joined us.
Will be back at Hotel De Carlo late Sun or early Mon and type at you
then.
Msg #2741 Dated 20:20:40 05-17-91 2717 <--> 2761
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
NO LAYOUTS. It was a "joke" since it is a "dead" game. We were first in
ten years to order such an item. Back to the "drawing board."
Msg #2742 Dated 20:22:28 05-17-91 2721 <--> 2774
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LUNCH
Are we seeing you later???
Msg #2743 Dated 20:22:48 05-17-91 2730 <--> 2770
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AMMAR BOOK
Drat!!!
Msg #2744 Dated 20:23:13 05-17-91 2735 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: LUNCH
Yes, excellent mid-day repast with charming people. It was the reason
I came out after all and am so glad I did. Thanks from me too to
everyone.
Msg #2745 Dated 20:24:42 05-17-91 -> 2752
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that the basic summation of most
copyright law is "You can't copyright an idea, only the execution of
it."
Msg #2746 Dated 20:24:53 05-17-91 -> 2940
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Marvin,
Thanks again for the lovely pins you presented to everyone and
also for the "clapper" .
tabman
Msg #2747 Dated 20:26:21 05-17-91 -> 2787
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Great meeting ya'll today. A good time. Thanks.
Msg #2748 Dated 20:27:13 05-17-91 -> 2755
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Enjoyed talking with you today and look forward to a game of "golf"
next time I'm out this way. Thanks for coming.
Msg #2749 Dated 20:28:20 05-17-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: GENII
I just got the May issue. Love it. Thanx for getting me caught up!
After practicing a while, I tried the Salt effect from Magicana during
lunch with a friend. His reply? "Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!" Keep up the
good work!
Msg #2750 Dated 20:40:16 05-17-91 2726 <--> 2771
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I find it equally acceptable to bring out cards -- you just have to
know what kind of card tricks to do (12 seconds or less) and how to
make em like you...
Msg #2752 Dated 20:56:22 05-17-91 2745 <--> 2757
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
You can copyright anything you can put on tape, disk or paper. You
cannot copyright the title of a book,movie, etc but you can trade mark.
There is a lower cost protection avail from patent and trade,mark but
I forget what it is called. I'll check my files when I get back to the
home planet. Sorry to have missed you in Vegas this week.
Msg #2753 Dated 20:59:46 05-17-91 -> 2845
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ZIG ZAG
Great time today. We`ll see you at the Castle ina minit. Leaving now.
Msg #2754 Dated 21:01:13 05-17-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: BBQ
Too many ribs and not enuf pecans in the pie but goooood iced tea "!!"
Msg #2755 Dated 21:58:20 05-17-91 2748 <--> 2793
From: RICHARD HART
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Ditto, Tabman. It was a very enjoyable luncheon indeed! My round of
golf went well too. Shot a 73. Unfortunately, that was on the front
nine... Guess that comes from always taking the scenic route.
Fareways are so dull, don't you think?
Looking fore-ward to that round of golf with you, and hearing Bone
Pony, too. Let me know when you'll be in town next, and I'll rustle us
up a tee time.
_richard
Msg #2756 Dated 22:15:59 05-17-91 2543 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MAHJONGG TILES
I know how much time and effort went into the production of those
tiles, I tried doing a few once and gave up. I would be very
interested in getting a set of the "Wizard of Oz" tiles if you
would be kind enough to upload the file (assuming it is OK with our
SYSOP) I would be happy to upload them to boards here in the
Washington, DC area if your friend wants them distributed.
Msg #2757 Dated 22:16:54 05-17-91 2545 <--> 2778
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
The use of foreshadowing is another techique to reduce the
"impossibility" and "to take the heat out" of an extremely strong
ending to an effect. While films constantly utilize this
technique, very few magicians employ it. One magician that I know
of, Bill Nagler, used to include the concept in his lecture.
Msg #2758 Dated 22:17:51 05-17-91 2556 <--> 2810
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
David -
If someone wishes to write up a short proposal requesting the
use of the I.B.M. logo for the Magic Trading Cards, I will be happy
to present the proposal to the Management Team and the Board of
Trustees on their behalf. While it is true that the use of the
I.B.M. logo for commercial profit making venture is not generally
favored, exceptions have been made in the past. I feel trading
cards could be of benefit to magic overall and would be happy to
speak in favor of the proposal.
Msg #2760 Dated 22:19:25 05-17-91 2562 <--> 2764
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PENN AND TABMAN CANCELLED
Hey Crabber...
Here you are the one time in your life when you can type as
much as you want without running up the phone bill and all I get
are ONE-LINERS to 2562, 2563, and 2564! I didn't capture that days
messages and have very little idea what you are talking about!
So there!
Msg #2761 Dated 22:19:57 05-17-91 2568 <--> 2796
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
For some reason I have never gotten to Gambler's World in Vegas,
much less their back room. I never seem to be able to get out of
whatever hotel the DMS is in. This year I was successful in
getting to a couple of great model shops in Vegas.
I talked the Count into arriving a day early, hope that doesn't
screw anything up and that David can also do so. You and I should
compare some notes for these guys. Scotty York is currently
working a bar in the Crystal City area and they might enjoy seeing
him work...and we gonna need most of a day for Nick and Jane's if
you guys want to do that. All of these items are naturally further
down the list than Gloria's Grand BS which is the number uno item!
This should be great!
Msg #2762 Dated 22:20:40 05-17-91 2601 <--> 2769
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
Pete - I don't know what we are talking about! Why not have Nagel
hook up the modem to the COMPAQ he has and use that to call the
Board! Also I don't understand "Thre is a picture of me" which is
your message in 2615.
Msg #2763 Dated 22:21:08 05-17-91 2616 <--> 2765
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
Only the SYSOP knows what effect lurks in the heart of his
presentation!
Msg #2764 Dated 22:21:44 05-17-91 2618 <--> 2795
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PENN AND TABMAN CANCELLED
You must be talking about the "so-called" Abbotts.
Re yours in response to 1298..."AAAAARRRRGGGHHHHHH"
(new version)
Msg #2765 Dated 22:22:13 05-17-91 2668 <--> 2828
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
I am not sure I can remember the names of people who cast unkind
remarks about my personal computer!
Msg #2767 Dated 22:25:26 05-17-91 2569 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Gadzooks...I gonna have to look that up!
Msg #2768 Dated 22:26:25 05-17-91 2589 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: RILEY MATTHEWS (X)
Re: VISIT
Oh that! Look under the shell on the left!!!
Msg #2769 Dated 22:27:21 05-17-91 2669 <--> 2785
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
NOW I understand why you are the SYSOP on this board! You are just
doing a postdoc!
Yes, I remember the worms and the horse trough! Thank God (or
whomever) for ectoderm!
Speaking of high points, I still fondly remember one of the best jobs
I had...digging ditches on the city street crew during one summer while
in high school.
Msg #2770 Dated 23:12:32 05-17-91 2743 <--> 2798
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AMMAR BOOK
Or do you, perhaps, mean "drat" !!!
Msg #2771 Dated 23:13:45 05-17-91 2750 <--> 2782
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I actually don't. You could say I was paranoid, over-sensitive, you
could certainly attribute this to my skills, BUT -- when you pull out
a deck of cards I really DO sense that some people roll their eyes.
The only way to avoid this is if everyone watching ASKS you.
Msg #2772 Dated 23:18:55 05-17-91 -> 2801
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF
T-man:
Drop me a message when you return to the nest and I'll gather all the
registration info I've got for you. Super meeting you and I hope you
travel this way again soon.
Msg #2773 Dated 23:19:59 05-17-91 -> 2775
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LONG TIME
I don't know. A burn out at 15 does sounkind of funny, but I was
frequently requested at school to perform magic. I had no problem with
that; I was glad to perform an illusion or two. However, requests that
met me almost every day wore out m"supply" ofllusions, and were too
frequent to learn new ones well enough to show. Thanks Pete.
Msg #2774 Dated 23:26:07 05-17-91 2742 <--> 2802
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCH
I was at the Castle Wednesday night and again today for lunch and
probably again on Sunday night...unfortunately can't make it tonight.
I am definately going to be down at Alladin Books tomorrow morning
early. They open at 9AM. If you guys are going to be there, but are
going to arrive a little later than that, phone me down there and let
me know you're on your way. I'll cool my heels and maybe we can all
have a late breakfast or an early lunch together. Try to pull it
together if you can, as I'd be disappointed if we didn't get to spend
any more time together before you leave.
Msg #2775 Dated 23:26:02 05-17-91 -> 2874
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LONG TIME
Hi Stan. No, my parents aren't pulling me out of bed to do pass and
palms, just false count I think the problem I experienced was not an
enthusiastic audience, but more of an overwhelming audience. Constant
requests to see an illusion were the main source of exhaustion, I
think. I frequently performed for friends at school, some were just
people who wanted to be entertaed. Of couse, I'm not able to lug a
rabbit to school in my backpack, they'd probably mess on my books and
binders. So I had to resort to coin, card, and generally, close-up
magic. However, the magic was actually *stand-up* close-up magic; if
I would be called upon to do an illusion outside, it didn't seem right
to stoop down to the ground and do a coin matrix on the gravel.
Last year I did a show for the Fourth of July, which consisted of skits
and magic between "rounds" of fireworks. It seemed to go over well,
and Independence Day is starting to peek its head around the corner
again So the magic insect is beginning to infest and breed in me, but
I'm going to have to take a different approach to performinat scho, as
the last approach did not work.
Thank you for the ideas and comments.'s nice to see a response to
queries and problems.
Vincent
Msg #2777 Dated 23:50:07 05-17-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: GENII
I was delighted to hear that fellow actor, magic aficionado and friend,
Dick Gautier, will be sharing his new card effect with us in an
upcoming issue of GENII. Watch for it!
Msg #2778 Dated 0:00:08 05-18-91 2656 <--> 2779
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I had a piece in a recent INVOCATION that addressed this problem, and
gave some suggestions. If you'd like I will try to locate it and
upload it here either as a message or a file.
Msg #2779 Dated 0:01:21 05-18-91 2657 <--> 2780
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I have a rather low opinion of most mentalists too...and I certainly
don't think my own shows are beyond improvement.
Msg #2780 Dated 0:02:23 05-18-91 2659 <--> 2781
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
No, what I am saying is that the audience doesn't PERCEIVE the
mentalist as fooling them but rather demonstrating a real power --
while they know the magician IS fooling them, and they may not like
that.
Msg #2781 Dated 0:04:18 05-18-91 2722 <--> 2794
From: T A WATERS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
If you did offer such classes, it'd be interesting to see how many
magicians (or mentalists!) would take advantage of them, or realize
they might need to...
Msg #2782 Dated 0:08:09 05-18-91 2650 <--> 2783
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
8. Become an agent.
Msg #2783 Dated 0:09:02 05-18-91 2658 <--> 2784
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I am not going to presume to answer for the really good magicians --
but in more general terms I can say that if you are dedicated to your
art, you try to become skilled at it, creative, for YOUR OWN sense of
satisfaction, not because you want other people to stroke you. If you
are serious in your art, whatever it is, and have some familiarity with
what else has been done -- and have any sense of perspective -- you
know when you're doing good and original work and when you're doing
crap. Sure there is ego-gratification there -- but it is from a sense
of self-worth, not from the opinions of others. This has to be
particularly true in magic, where some of the very best are almost
unknown to the public at large, while that same public is impressed by
performers who can barely get through a routine without dropping the
prop on their foot. Being accomplished in an art form doesn't always
mean being recognized -- so it's actually a poor way to gratify your
ego, if you've got any sense at all.
Magic IS tolerated -- often when it shouldn't be.
(grump mode *off*)
Msg #2784 Dated 0:15:56 05-18-91 2713 <--> 2799
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
As per a previous message -- in terms of magic as an art, it ain't
whether they like you (though that's always nice) but whether YOU LIKE
YOU.
Msg #2785 Dated 0:18:55 05-18-91 2669 <--> 2797
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
Cephalocaudal? Does that mean someone with a brain in their tail?
Msg #2787 Dated 1:46:21 05-18-91 2747 <--> 2803
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Thank you, Tabby. It was indeed nice meeting you. Have read your
transmissions many times on the 'ol BBS and it is nice to finally have
a face to place with the words of wisdom that appear on my computer
screen. Hope you have a nice trip back. Good flight, good luck and
may your gods be with you. M. King
Msg #2788 Dated 1:49:49 05-18-91 -> 2807
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: LUNCH AT THE CASTLE
Can't tell you what a wonderful time Vicky and i had at the Castle
"doing lunch" today. I don't think I've had that much fun since I was
at Abbott's.....now where was that.....oh yea, Colon, Mich. Anyway
great fun to meet all of you wonderful people. Look forward to the
next. Thanks again. MIKE
Msg #2791 Dated 2:07:50 05-18-91 -> 2804
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MEETING
Tried to find you, but you'd vanished. Had you paged; no answer, so
either you'd left, or you were in a show. Sorry we didn't connect.
Msg #2792 Dated 2:11:15 05-18-91 -> 3107
From: SCOTT HOSEY
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Bill, reading your message about the use of the I.B.M Logo and
your support for the trading cards is encouraging. Dave and
myself have been spending alot of time gathering ideas on this
project. Dave does most of the computer work, since he is better
known on the Magic BBS system, and I do the
marketing\manufacturing part of the project. I guess at 2:00am I
can take time to talk about this project online and better my
skills with this BBS. I have manufactured cards and sports
memorabilia in the past for minor league baseball teams and the
cost is tremendous. The major cost is in the color separations
and the type setting. Dave talked to me about the trading card
idea since it was mentioned on this BBS before I became a member.
The reason I even considered taking on this project is I figured
it would be a great contribution to magic. The profit would be
very small, if it would even show a profit. My past experience in
minor league baseball cards/sets tells me that the chance of
losing money (as the manufacture) is greater than turning a
profit. Like I said before, making this set would be my
contribution to magic. Dave has stressed in the past we need
volunteers to contribute the photos and we will take it from
there. I repeat the message to ALL! Anyway thanks for the support
about the set and use of the logo, we'll talk to you when we get
closer to the finish. Thanks to all that have responded and keep
the responses coming, Scott Hosey
Msg #2793 Dated 2:17:25 05-18-91 2755 <--> 2835
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
OK. When we used to play golf at Willie Nelson's 9 holer the rules were
that if you hit one in the woods you could hit another ball without a
penalty. That's the tabman way, now. Hopefully will reschedule BP later
this summer and you will be among the first to know. Great!
Msg #2794 Dated 2:20:47 05-18-91 2778 <--> 2843
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Please.
Msg #2795 Dated 2:21:57 05-18-91 2760 <--> 3108
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: PENN AND TABMAN CANCELLED
What?
Actually I can type as much as I want anyway, but this crate of Mounds
bars I'm sitting on has started to melt and I'm getting chocolate all
over my sneakers.
Msg #2796 Dated 2:23:48 05-18-91 2761 <--> 3109
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
We should get together sometime in the next coupla weeks. Maybe I can
make a run to Alexandria and we could meet in Old Town. It isn't
screwing up anything for me that isn't already screwed up through no
fault of anybody at all. Am glad you talked the Count into coming in
early as he's one of my favorite all round people and is always an
honored guest at the hotel de carlo. I think david is working onit too
and has reservations for three different days in case things change
again. I stopped by a model shop in buffalo near the forks and wished
I'd had more time for browsing. Scott Davis sent me one of his locking
flap card boxes for me to duplicate and the work is exquisitely done
and requires modeling tools - dremel table saw, router, etc so will
have to visit hobby city soon. "tabman"
Msg #2797 Dated 2:31:21 05-18-91 2785 <--> 2824
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
He laid a new word on me tonight which still has me going.
Msg #2798 Dated 2:37:06 05-18-91 2770 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AMMAR BOOK
Msg #2799 Dated 2:38:25 05-18-91 2782 <--> 2800
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Or a manager.
Msg #2800 Dated 2:38:56 05-18-91 2784 <--> 2818
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
My friend George says (he's a farmer) "Don't worry about what people
think of me. They should worry about what I think of them."
Msg #2801 Dated 2:40:15 05-18-91 2772 <--> 2822
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: STUFF
Likewise and will do and thanks. It was really a good day for me.
Everyone was kind to me which I appreciated. I wonder what happened
when the Houdini card was discovered?
Msg #2802 Dated 2:57:15 05-18-91 2774 <--> 2808
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LUNCH
Wayne,
I feel the same way. We probably won't get outa here that early in
the am since its 3am rite now and we're gonna do some work on the board
in a little while. We could maybe meet you for "brunch" later. If you
can call us here at David's around 10am and we'll work it out. Also,
please join us tomorrow nite and go to see Becky's show in Anaheim, but
DO call in the morning.
Msg #2803 Dated 3:00:57 05-18-91 2787 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
"Amen." Yes, nice putting face, feet, arms, etc with names and thoughts
on the board. I appreciate your coming today. We just got back from
there (its 3am). Hope the "face" didn't scare ya'll too much.
Msg #2804 Dated 3:03:25 05-18-91 2791 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MEETING
Max, me too. I did go to a coupla shows and guess thats what happened.
I saw you in deep conversation at the upstairs bar and didn't want to
break in and hoped we'd meet up later. We'll still do that lunch some
time I know and will be worth the wait. Anyway, it was great seeing you
again and hope to spend more time in the future.
Msg #2805 Dated 4:02:04 05-18-91 2701 <--> 2831
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NO LUNCH
Marilyn says it would be best in the fall, after school starts, we have
three boys ages 16, 8, and 6 and the two little one need watching. We
used to have Marilyn's mother watch them as she lived here in Kalamazoo
and was eager to do it, but she passed away in the beginning of April.
At any rate, school is almost out here and I leave for Europe in a
couple of weeks so we can't make it before school lets out. In the
fall Marilyn can get one of her friends to watch them over a long
weekend as long as they are in school during the day when this woman
works, so that will work out best.
.
I think I will buy tickets next time on a real airline. Last year we
took North West to New York for a weekend get away. We should have
arrived in NY by 10:30am and after the worst time I have ever had with
an airline we finally got there at 6:00pm. Spent an hour and a half in
Detroit trying to reticket to NY along with 300 other people while
there were ABSOLUTELY NO TICKET AGENTS. It was shift change and with
this huge line they held no one over to help! The process that was
going to be long anyway took 3 hrs. What really had me in a tither was
I had $110 worth of Kats tickets in my pocket for the 7:00pm show that
night. We just made it. This time they maganged to screw up so bad I
would not have arrived at LAX until 4:00pm fri which is just great for
an 11:30am lunch. So next time, US Air, American, United, anything but
NW.
.
As an aside, on that trip I was just getting into magic and Marilyn
hadn't even started. We looked up a magic shop in the phone book and
selcted Tannens. When we arrived we were surprised by the salesman.
In NY it is usually plunk down your money and get out of the way for
the next customer, but this fellow took almost an hour introducing us
to magic, recoomended some good books and was a real gentleman. Only
later did I learn it was Tony Spina who waited on us and only later
than that did I learn who Tony Spina was.
.
I'll keep in touch about a fall date. I know I have another trip to
Europe in Late Sept or early Oct. that I will have to work around, but
we will be able to do something.
.
Bye....Randy
Msg #2807 Dated 7:16:47 05-18-91 2788 <--> 2830
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: LUNCH AT THE CASTLE
Nice to meet you both, too.
We're obviously going to be forced to begin a "thread" on here
somewhere about the "Divine Herb" and its vehicles for imbibement.
Are you going to the Collectors' Show in S.F. this August?
Msg #2808 Dated 7:22:01 05-18-91 2802 <--> 2814
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCH
I'll be down there right at 9...and I'm sure that I could kill an hour
or two between both stores. So if you guys are down there by 10 or
even 11, we can stop down the street for brunch or whatever. Just get
down there as early as you can have your eyes open! See ya!
Msg #2810 Dated 10:13:33 05-18-91 2704 <--> 2981
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Actually, it is pretty much the same here, but 3 a.m. is pushin' it for
me. My "best time" is around 11 p.m. to 2 a.m.
Msg #2811 Dated 10:17:46 05-18-91 2706 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LUNCH
It's my job.
Msg #2812 Dated 10:18:16 05-18-91 2708 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Thanks, Marvin. You made a great hit with your lapel pins. Sure wish
I had one.
Msg #2814 Dated 10:42:04 05-18-91 2808 <--> 2817
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LUNCH
I guess we'll have to try to call you down there. Just got up and ain't
even moving around yet. Got to get together somewhere. Letz seee.
Msg #2815 Dated 11:44:34 05-18-91 -> 2842
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: GOING SOUTH
Wayne, I guess we're not heding down that way. Hope you'll be able to
catch up with us later. I don't know what he plan is from this end but
know we'll be going to Anaheim later this evening to "Comedyland" and
maybe by Hermosa Beach and then maybe the Castle for a nitekap. Quen
sabe, butttt..........
Msg #2817 Dated 11:58:30 05-18-91 2721 <--> 2844
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LUNCH
Actually, it was the THIRD MAGIC! luncheon at the Castle. Darrell
Murphy organized the first one, the second one was the "informal" one
for David Luther, Kent Cummins and Michael & Hannah Ammar.
The wand was a complete surprise and is something I will always
treasure. In addition to the sentiment it represents, custom Tabman
pieces are extremely rare. Last night, when we walked into the Castle,
E.J. turned to someone and said, "That's Tabby Crabb - He makes the
finest close-up tables in the World!"
Msg #2818 Dated 12:06:50 05-18-91 2771 <--> 2825
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
A magician in a casual situation should NOT produce a deck of cards if
everyone asks - he or she should only do it if everyone BEGS. On the
other hand, performing casual magic, such as vanishing a boor at a
party, is perfectly exceptable under almost any circumstances.
Msg #2819 Dated 12:20:51 05-18-91 2738 <--> 2965
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: BLACK & TELLER
Will look forward to non-existant! Nothing against him personally -
just don't think he can provide dimension to the role. Too Yuppie.
Msg #2822 Dated 12:31:00 05-18-91 2801 <--> 2826
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF
Most likely the finder told no one, will go home with the thing hidden
under his shirt, and not find it's a forgery for a few years, when he
tries to sell it.
And it'll serve him right!
Msg #2823 Dated 12:32:52 05-18-91 -> 2832
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: MEETS
David--
Pleasure meeting you yesterday! Looking forward to the next "MAGIC"
luncheon.
Msg #2824 Dated 12:33:05 05-18-91 2769 <--> 2827
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
Actually - I PREDICTED this system in an article I wrote in 1972,
eleven years before the "PC" was introduced! Will have to send it to
you sometime - Did it with a group named "The Orange Pudding Computer
Combine."
Ectoderm is indeed handy if you want to leave the primeval soup (Hard
to do sleight-of-hand when you are in the soup).
Msg #2825 Dated 12:35:15 05-18-91 2818 <--> 2833
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Only do Dave Williamson's "beer bottle bash" if you have a body guard
(maybe two). Unwanted card tricks are much safer.
Msg #2826 Dated 12:36:53 05-18-91 2822 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: STUFF
We were there last night and heard nothing. I hope to find out someday,
but don't want to tip my hand.
Msg #2827 Dated 12:36:02 05-18-91 2785 <--> 3111
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
Interesting! Taken out of context, it could! But it generally refers
to a developmental direction.
(science lecture mode *off*)
Msg #2828 Dated 12:44:57 05-18-91 2765 <--> 3114
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC! AT IBM
Neither can I. Fortunately, I have a computer that can do it for me.
Msg #2830 Dated 12:54:22 05-18-91 2788 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: LUNCH AT THE CASTLE
It was great to get to meet you and Vicky. Will look forward to seeing
y'all again and to your continued participation here on MAGIC!
Msg #2831 Dated 12:57:32 05-18-91 2805 <--> 2867
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: NO LUNCH
Bad news - there are NO REAL AIRLINES. All gone. Would tell you about
the great non-stop Paris to L.A. flight that I had one time... via
Kennedy AND Newark airports, or the New York - Tel Aviv one, non-stop
via Athens, but you already got the picture. Best one was an airline
that went broke WHILE WE WERE ON IT. Left Mobile, Alabama, to change
planes in New Orleans and the airline was gone when we reached there.
Will look forward to a visit from you ANYTIME. And yes, DO be sure
Marilyn can join you. Sounds like she is the prettier one.
Msg #2832 Dated 13:04:26 05-18-91 2823 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MEETS
Yes, after so many conversations it was really nice to get to see the
corpus Katzus.
Msg #2833 Dated 13:08:21 05-18-91 2825 <--> 2836
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Actually, best bet is something like needle thru arm or clamping your
hand in a bear trap. You know, something subtle.
Msg #2835 Dated 13:26:12 05-18-91 2793 <--> 2837
From: RICHARD HART
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
When me and Mike Alsop (lead guitar for Three Dog Night) used to play
we allowed Mulligans at the rate of two per hole. He figured that
losing a ball was penalty enough. I tend to agree!
_richard
Msg #2836 Dated 13:33:11 05-18-91 2833 <--> 2838
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
NOOOOO, I think the 12d nail up the nose would do it better. Drive it
up there with your shoe. Geeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz or is it "geeeeeezzz"?
Msg #2837 Dated 13:34:38 05-18-91 2835 <--> 2858
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Thats it. Also at Willie's the only rule besides "every one must wear
shirts unless you don't want to" was/is "no more than 40 in a
foursome."
Msg #2838 Dated 13:43:53 05-18-91 2836 <--> 2848
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Somedaze the Castle books some things that really make it embarrasing
to bring anyone there. That "act" was something so pathetic that I
don't have words to write a review.
Msg #2839 Dated 13:45:11 05-18-91 -> 2840
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ACROSS THE ROOM
Tabman -
When you gonna take that shower so we can get out of here?
P.S. - Pass me another Mounds bar.
Msg #2840 Dated 14:11:00 05-18-91 2839 <--> 2841
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ACROSS THE ROOM
Don't embarrasssss me again, Froag.
Msg #2841 Dated 14:13:19 05-18-91 2840 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ACROSS THE ROOM
HAND ME the Mounds bar - DON'T throw it!
Msg #2842 Dated 16:37:50 05-18-91 2815 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GOING SOUTH
I was down there 'til about 12:30 or 1:00...some good stuff...lotsa
junk. (I hope I picked out the GOOD stuff!)
Actually, I did get several books and pamphlets I've been looking for
and some apparatus that I wasn't looking for...but....
Phone me later and let me know the scoop.
Msg #2843 Dated 17:44:38 05-18-91 2778 <--> 2846
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I let my subscription lapse, so I'm I missed it. If you could find
it that would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Msg #2844 Dated 17:44:45 05-18-91 2817 <--> 2849
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LUNCH
Just want to add a thank you to all who made the day. Marvin thanks
for the pin. Glad to meet you all. Sorry, I missed David & Tabby
at the Castle later, you guys must have snuck past me or I was
asleep again.
Msg #2845 Dated 17:44:52 05-18-91 2753 <--> 2850
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ZIG ZAG
I guess I missed you guys - damn. I'll send you a plan for the
project we discussed. How long does something like that take ?
I'll be coming to IBM in June - could it be that soon ? Let me
know. It was great finally meeting you and maybe next trip we can
spend more time - Regards Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #2846 Dated 17:45:00 05-18-91 2780 <--> 2847
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Interesting - when a magician who claims no supernatural powers
'fools' them they don't like it, but when a mentalist uses similiar
deception to 'fool' them they like it because it gives affirmation
to their belief in the power-of-the-mind and things spiritual. I
personally find the deception of the magician to be a more honest
method, whereas the pure psychic or mental approach has always
struck me as bordering on being fraudulent (ala Geller).
.
I have heard that after a performance even if a mentalist tries to
tell someone he has no 'special gifts' and that he was merely
providing an entertainment, the audience gives the sly wink of
knowing that you just don't want to admit the powers you
obviously possess.
.
I am working on some 'New-age' effects using crystals and the
jargon associated with it and will interested in how it is
accepted by non-magicians. Perhaps I too will gain new
'powers' I didn't know I had before.
Msg #2847 Dated 17:45:12 05-18-91 2722 <--> 2864
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I'm interested in gaining any knowledge that could help my
presentation improve. This includes staging, scripting, acting,
routine development, etc. It would be interesting to see how many
other people in the So. Cal. area would be interested in such a
project. Kind of a 'Magical Art Development Workshop' with different
aspects of performance covered by experts in each area, with actual
attempts at performance using the priciples dicussed as kind of
'homework' or 'projects', followed by critical analysis by the other
students and the professor.
.
I for one would be the first to sign-up. Anyone else ??
Msg #2848 Dated 17:45:22 05-18-91 2723 <--> 2854
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
If you mean having your ego gratified ONLY by the response of others
I agree - it is impossible. But, isn't there another kind of ego-
gratification that is entirely internal. You pursue your art to
satisfy your own desires, whether it is accepted by others is of
secondary importance. If your art form turns out to be accepted by
others so much the better, if not would you stop ? No, most artists
are driven by internal motivations to create what they do - and
that IS ego gratifying.
.
Regarding, the "most any situation", if it is known you are a magician
you are expected to be able to do magic, upon request, or you
really aren't a magician. How many magicians do you know that
can't do at least some magic in "most situations" when asked ?
Msg #2849 Dated 19:04:07 05-18-91 2844 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LUNCH
I looked for you and must of missed you somewhere. Take a photo of the
object in question with dimensions to the 32nd inch and dropem in the
mail to me with some drawings, etc to tabman, box 590, charlotte hall,
md 20622. I sure enjoyed meeting you and will try out rdmagic! when i
get back to the cool springs of home. if you've got an xtra 1,000 bill
and can spare it drop me another too.
Msg #2850 Dated 19:07:19 05-18-91 2845 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ZIG ZAG
Yeah, if you get the stuff to me soon enuff. glad you're coming to ibm.
are you coming in early??
Msg #2851 Dated 19:28:40 05-18-91 -> 2853
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: BLOOD
Mike,
Thanks for the recipe. We'll give it a try.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #2852 Dated 21:13:30 05-18-91 -> 2856
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TOUCH BASE
Got your message. I'll be back before fall and i'll give you a call
ya'll. Great luncheon. Many thanks.......
Msg #2853 Dated 21:27:56 05-18-91 2851 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: BLOOD
Don't know if it's what you need but you never know. You might also
try looking in a book by Dick Smith, the godfather of make-up artists,
the name escapes me now, but I thinks it's call MONSTER MAKE-UP or
something like that. Again hope this is helpful. Good luck. MIKE KING
Msg #2854 Dated 22:04:27 05-18-91 2784 <--> 2859
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I like me.
Msg #2856 Dated 22:42:47 05-18-91 2852 <--> 2861
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TOUCH BASE
Safe home. Talk to you soon.
Msg #2858 Dated 0:04:04 05-19-91 2837 <--> 2862
From: RICHARD HART
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Tally ho can see we're gonna burn up those links! Hurry back,
friend Tabman!
Msg #2859 Dated 2:08:56 05-19-91 2848 <--> 2860
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I have a problem with the idea that "a magician [is] expected to be
able to do magic upon request." One encounters this notion in the
literature with some frequency. I think there is a valid aspect to the
premise, but there is also an underlying dilemma.
Why should magic -- or any art -- be done "on request"? And why is
it necessarily significant for a magician to be able to perform without
his/her professional equipment.
If a pianist is in a social situation, should it be expected that he
or she will perform "on request"? And, should they be prepared to
perform without a piano? ("Gee, there's no musical equipment here, so
I'll improvise something by borrowing a rubberband and plucking out a
tune...")
I do not perform "on request." I perform when someone hires me to do
so. When I attend a party, I do not jump in and perform. Nor, for that
matter, would I approach a dentist at a social gathering and ask for a
cleaning, "on request."
Msg #2860 Dated 4:04:34 05-19-91 2859 <--> 2872
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
It's like "come to my party and bring your banjo." Right.
Msg #2861 Dated 4:05:20 05-19-91 2856 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TOUCH BASE
Thanks. You too.
Msg #2862 Dated 4:05:42 05-19-91 2858 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Its 0dark30 and here I am checking in before 12 winks and airline food.
I'll be back home by midnight tomorrow night and will sign in when I
get there. Will see you soon. Take care.
Msg #2864 Dated 4:12:43 05-19-91 2847 <--> 2873
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I'd definitely be interested. Let me know if you put something
together.
Msg #2867 Dated 5:32:57 05-19-91 2831 <--> 2869
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NO LUNCH
Definitely, and funnier too, the only things I am better at is cooking
and computers.
Msg #2868 Dated 5:35:10 05-19-91 -> 2870
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: MAGICDB VERSION 3
I just got Micheal Ammars new book and in the back he talks about a
custom cue sheet. MagicdB is a similar concept, done on a computer.
Micheal has some ideas that I didn't so I thought I might incorporate
some of them into a new form attached to the trick trick screen similar
to the patter. These would be:
1. Volunteer Information
2. Prop List
3. Special Lighting
4. Performing Conditions
5. Performing Position
.
I would like to poll the members of MAGIC! about V2 of MagicdB since if
I am going to do surgery on the program I might as well fix any other
problems if I can. Specifically:
.
. 1. What do you think of adding the MA data sheet
2. The trick limit could be raised to 500 with no loss in
performance, but you would need to run another CONVERT program. Also
space required would approach 1MB. Comments.
3. What features don't you use. If I had to eliminate something what
would it be. MagicdB is near maximum size for a program without
overlays now and if I add more I either use overlays (lots of work) or
trim.
4. What new features would you like to see. I thought I had it
pretty well set till I read Michael's book.
5. Any other comments.
.
I will try and collate the responses in early June and decide where to
go from there.
.
Thanks........Randy Lund
Msg #2869 Dated 9:43:36 05-19-91 2867 <--> 2963
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: NO LUNCH
Don't cook too well - someday you may want to add a Steinmeyer Okito
Box to the act and if Marilyn enjoys your cooking...
Msg #2870 Dated 9:46:10 05-19-91 2868 <--> 2871
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGICDB VERSION 3
Aaaaaaarrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh! (NOTE: this is NOT a steal of Pete's
term, it is an entirely NEW variation on it (I made it longer) and
therefore I can use it with impunity). Why does Louis choose to ship
the REGULAR edition first? Now I'm sitting here, having seen TWO
shrink wrapped copies and hearing about yours. And I'm performing next
weekend and I was hoping to get the book so's I could learn everything
in it and do a whole new act... Well, if it arrives by Wednesday I'll
be OK.
ANYWAY - YOUR MAGIC2DB is one of the BEST, MOST USEFUL tools for a
working mage. Don't know if Michael has seen it yet, but he should.
MAGIC2DB is great, and you're willing to make it better! Look forward
to seeing people's comments.
Msg #2871 Dated 11:37:08 05-19-91 2870 <--> 2885
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGICDB VERSION 3
Gee, David...
Sorry you didn't make it down to Fullerton...they had an ample stock of
Michael Ammar's new book. They were on sale, too...20% off. No, make
that 30% off. They gave many of them away as door prizes. I was one
of the lucky ones...I won a copy of the Collector's Edition.
Beautiful! Imagine my delight when, upon browsing through my new book,
I discovered a certificate entitling the bearer to twelve private lessons
with Michael Ammar. It really must've been my lucky day because when
I went to the cash register to pay for the few things I purchased, the
proprietor informed me that I was the 10,000th customer and he was
turning over the entire inventory of magical appartatus and their
entire magic library to me, as a token of his appreciation. That would
have been enough, really....but, I must admit, having Bill and Milt
Larsen there to present me with the deed to the Magic Castle was a
shock. It almost prepared me for the government men who were there to
ask me to accept the Mulholland Library as a gift! Excuse me a
second...I think that's the alarm clock. (yawn, stretch!)
Msg #2872 Dated 14:08:25 05-19-91 2542 <--> 2875
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
To: Tommy Wonder
From: Jerry Burton
.
The concept of magic as art IS a foreign concept to many magicians.
How many magicians have ever taken the time to take a class in
acting, speech, or theatre ? Most consider magic as doing tricks,
and nothing more ! I have talked to people that consider themselves
competent magicians, that deride someone's lecture for being TOO
THEORETICAL, not enough tricks.
.
It seems we need a series of seminars, or even perhaps courses,
for magicians to attend where they are introduced to the principles of
what makes magic an art form. We certainly have enough people on the
lecture tour, showing (and selling) their latest 'tricks'. I wonder
what the attendance would be if the lecture was "Principles of Magic
Msg #2873 Dated 15:33:03 05-19-91 2847 <--> 2881
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I'll take every course offered!
Msg #2874 Dated 15:58:40 05-19-91 2775 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: VINCENT HANCOCK
Re: LONG TIME
That's a very good sign that you have an overwhelming amount of
requests to perform. Sounds like it is time to start scheduling shows
for pay! For every magician like you that is in demand there are
dozens who chase away their friends with decks of cards. "Come on let
me show you just one more!" Tabman cracked me up telling about the
time some boring magician was trying to show him a card trick on the
hood of Tabby's car as he was driving away! If you have lots of people
that want to see your stuff don't just give it all away!
Glad to hear the magic bug has bitten you again- have fun!
Msg #2875 Dated 16:22:54 05-19-91 2859 <--> 2879
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Magic seems to be unique in this respect, and yes it does cause
a dilemma. If you are caught without any of your 'props' you are
placed into the position of not being really magical, rather
someone who replies on gimmicks and props - a fraud.
.
I recall going to a Gene Burger lecture and he made the point that
he had enough 'stuff' in his wallet to do 15-20 minutes when and
where ever he was asked. I also refer you to the article "Magician's
Obligations" on pg 66 of the March Linking Ring.
.
The actor at a party is not expected to do a 'scene' on command,
the singer is not expected to burst into song, any more than the
pianist is expected to play a rubberband.
.
A 'true' magician, on the other hand, loses status when he/she
can't do something magical on a moments notice - its part of
being a magician.
and can't do anything for you tonight ? I do not suggest that
anyone 'jump in' and perform as that is boorish. However, when
asked sincerely, how can you refuse ? I don't mean you take over
Msg #2879 Dated 16:50:28 05-19-91 2859 <--> 2880
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Magic seems to be unique in this respect, and yes it does cause
a dilemma. If you are caught without any of your 'props' you are
placed into the position of not being really magical, rather
someone who replies on gimmicks and props - i.e. a fraud.
.
I recall going to a Gene Burger lecture and he made the point
that if you are truly a magician you should ALWAYS be ready,
he had enough 'stuff' in his wallet to do 15-20 minutes when and
where ever he was asked, AND DEEMED IT WAS APPROPRIATE.
.
I also refer you to the article "Magician's Obligations"
on pg 66 of the March Linking Ring, this is the line the
Brotherhood is pushing.
.
The actor at a party is not expected to do a 'scene' on command,
the singer is not expected to burst into song, any more than the
pianist is expected to play a rubberband.
.
A magician, on the other hand, loses status when he/she
can't do something magical on a moments notice - its part of
being a magician.
.
Could you as a mentalist, beg off saying, "Sorry, I left my mind
at home and can't do anything for you tonight" ? I do not
suggest that anyone 'jump in' and force a performance
as that is boorish.
.
However, when asked sincerely, how can you refuse ?
I don't mean you take over the entire party and do a twenty
minute 'show', but there should always be a little something
you could do, if you do something that leaves your card in their
possession you might even get some work out of it. Reminds me
of a bit I read called "Burnt Offerings", by someone named
Goldstein, in the write-up he mentions the "The discussion
drifts (or is pushed) towards psychic phenomena ... " and
ends by getting a card into hands of the guest.
Msg #2880 Dated 16:50:45 05-19-91 2860 <--> 2883
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Hell - I do that all the time. We have an informal jug-band
and sometimes it helps to get things going (I'm not kidding
I'm a frailer - and have several gibson 5 stringers. I've got
a six string but I havn't figured out how to play it yet).
Msg #2881 Dated 16:50:52 05-19-91 2864 <--> 2884
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
That makes two. If people like Wayne Powers and T.A. Waters would
be interested in getting involved as the PROFESSORS for the
Magical Art Development Workshop, maybe we could get something
started. God knows after last nights 'performance' at Ring 96's
close-up show I know I need all the help I can get.
.
I forget where I read it but someone said, "Magic is very
difficult to do, especially in front of people".
.
I had two new things that are still under development and
I wanted to try them out in front of a
real audience rather than just a practice session in front
of my magic buddies. The first one really bombed. After the second
table I switched out the first effect, and substituted 2
of my standard effects. The second new effect was OK, but
it definitely needs more work, to become what I envision
it should be.
.
My concept for a Magical Art Development Workshop would be
where you could go with something you are working on and
get expert advice on improving it as well as getting a
chance to perform it under performance conditions without
the spectre of failure. I once heard (or read), "every
magician needs a place to be bad, without destroying his
reputation". Isn't that why there are so many magic clubs ?
.
Things that work perfectly in practice, seldom work the
way they are supposed to in performance and it is only by
getting feed-back from real audiences that we see what works
and what doesn't. Some things we should only do for ourselves.
Msg #2883 Dated 17:32:47 05-19-91 2879 <--> 2886
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Referencing something I wrote fifteen years ago is not helpful.
As to your question, "when asked sincerely [for an informal
performance], how can you refuse?" -- it's easy. I state that I am not
in the right frame of mind, and don't wish to ruin my enjoyment of the
party by taking the necessary effort...
As to the idea of doing something in order to get my business card into
the hands of a fellow party guest, you might be interested in knowing
that I have had special business cards printed which have no contact
information whatsoever -- just a portrait and name. On the occasion
that I do something involving a business card which a spectator will
keep, that's the one I use. I am not interested in passing around my
contact information indiscriminately. Frankly, few people I meet at a
casual social gathering would be in a position to afford to book me. If
they have such interest, I'll provide them with my manager's contact
information.
Msg #2884 Dated 19:10:29 05-19-91 2881 <--> 2887
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Jerry,
I sat on the last table you did. I thought that the routine you did was
good. You had some great stories to follow along your plot. I wanted to
mention that you need to watch the angles of your hand with the coins
in them. I think that your rt hand had too much visibility from where
I sat. I intended to tell you last night but you got away before I
could catch you. Your Buddah is great!
Msg #2885 Dated 20:18:32 05-19-91 2871 <--> 2914
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGICDB VERSION 3
Whew! Sure am glad you woke up! Imagine the strain of all that
responsibility!
Msg #2886 Dated 20:24:58 05-19-91 2883 <--> 2893
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Max -
It seems to me that your approach, "I am not in the right frame of
mind, and don't wish to ruin my enjoyment of the party by taking the
necessary effort" comes across to me as a bit condescending and
egocentric. Isn't it really saying, "Entertaining you is not worth my
effort?" Wouldn't it be much easier to say, "I'm sorry, but I have a
bit of a headache tonite and it makes concentration very difficult?"
This conversation has been quite interesting. I read "Magician's
Obligations" and thought that the author made several good points. I
also think that the conversation here has amplified on those - that
saying "I'm not prepared" (which I am quoting generically from the
conversational thread and not attributing to you) does indicate that
one does tricks and is not a magician.
Perhaps it depends on the nature of the event. Certainly if one feels
one has been invited to a party as a method of someone getting a free
show, then performing anything, even the slightest sleight, would very
likely be inappropriate. On the other hand, I would strongly suspect
that even Vladimir Horowitz frequently would sit down at the piano when
in a gathering of intimate friends.
Msg #2887 Dated 20:37:43 05-19-91 2881 <--> 2902
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
The only problem with a Magical Arts Development Workshop would be that
the review would be by magical peers and not by laypersons. Certainly,
review by one's colleagues is a critical step, but it helps iron on the
"bugs" in the early stages and not to provide the final test - that of
performing the effect or routine for laypersons.
When I'm working on something I usually do show it to another magician
or two prior to performing it. But then I also will often perform it
for some non-magical friends as well.
Video tape can also be a very powerful way to critique one's own
performance.
Msg #2889 Dated 20:42:52 05-19-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC! HEADQUARTERS
It has gotten very quiet here at Techy Heaven. We love you and miss
you and look forward to your return.
Msg #2890 Dated 20:55:07 05-19-91 -> 2897
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: ZOMBIE
Anyone out there that might be able to help I would appreciate help on
finding handling tips, moves, etc. for the "Zombie". I am a fifteen
year veteran with the prop, but am always open to new ideas. Please
respond ASAP.
Msg #2891 Dated 20:53:27 05-19-91 -> 2915
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGICIAN'S ASSISTANT
Thanks for clipping the ad. I haven't gone down to apply for the job
yet, but I have now gotten a little experience to add to my
qualifications. Last night, at ComedyLand in Anneheim, I did my premier
performance as Becky Blaney's magician's assistant! Odd feeling
performing topless! I'd never thought about how cold it was dressed
like that.
Lest you think I am jesting, Tabby Crabb and Burton the Bizarre were
both present and can verify my performance.
Msg #2892 Dated 20:57:08 05-19-91 -> 2898
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: ILLUSION BUILDER
I am new to the L.A. area and am in the process of building a new act.
Since the act will contain several illusions I am in the need of a
goodand reasonably priced craftsman. I am aware of and have used props
build by Gaughn, Mendoza and Owens. All of the above mentioned are
very good and produce an excellent product, but do to current financial
status and other factors, I require someone who is a bit more cost
effective. I am experienced at and have completed all design work
needed, I am however in the need of a "woodman or woman" who can do the
construction. I am also veresed in this area, but do not possess the
proper tools or work area. Would be wiling to do much of the work un
the craftsman's supervision. So if anyone camn help please do. The
illusions are quite original and exciting and plans are to premiere the
act in Vegas at the SAM convention. Thanks all. MIKE KING
Msg #2893 Dated 21:07:27 05-19-91 2859 <--> 2911
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
You hit it. So often someone will say "Do a trick" and the conditions,
the vibes, the scene will not be right. You must determine when it is
right (even for $ sometimes is IS NOT RIGHT, but then you must be a
professional AND MAKE IT RIGHT!
Msg #2894 Dated 21:04:23 05-19-91
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: ARTIST
I am currently finishing text on a small, 75 to 100 page, tome about
levitation. New ideas on levitation, including eight new levitations
ands suspensions, assorted support gear and ideas on presentation. Now
that I am closing to an end on the writing, I am in need of an
illustrator who might be interested in providing art work for the work.
There is pay. Anyone who might be interested or might know of someone
who night, please advise. Thanks for help. MIKE KING
Msg #2897 Dated 21:14:30 05-19-91 2890 <--> 2924
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ZOMBIE
Send the Zombie to Abbotts for their special treatment. Wrap it in
thin, soft tissue, no cardboard and send it fourth class -- with NO
RETURN ADDRESS.
Msg #2898 Dated 21:16:09 05-19-91 2892 <--> 2919
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ILLUSION BUILDER
I don't want to be facitious... but if you are building a new act
and want to debut it at the SAM in Las Vegas... IN JULY... Do you plan
to rehearse 23 hours a day fo the next month?
Msg #2902 Dated 22:17:01 05-19-91 2881 <--> 2988
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I have been doing some informal polling of lay persons and
professional entertainers to find out the general publics
perceptions of magic.
The results have been mostly negative. We are held in low
regard.
I attended a dance masters class this weekend and talked to
one of the top ball room dancers in the nation. I explained
that we were taking dance lessons to improve our show. He
thinks it is a great idea but followed with this remark;
"You two could do a Fred and Ginger number where you dance
together and pull things out of her skirt".
Note that last line. Not "Produce things as if by magic" but
"Pull things out of her skirt". To this man, thats what
magic is.
I was in the shoe store buying dance shoes and was telling
the salesman that I was a magician. He pulled out a
cigarette and asked me to push it through a quarter. I
sensed immediately that this guy was a believer. I was in a
tricky position as I could not very well say " Sorry but I
don't own that trick ". I explained to him that magicians
have different specialties and mine was stage magic. That
seemed to satisfy him.
Which brings to mind another point. Is it really appropriate
to do a trick in a shoe store? I think not. If we are really
trying to elevate magic as an art, impromptu performances in
shoe stores don't help to further that goal.
Want another way to gauge the status of magic? Open up the
phone book, call a magician and ask him to tell you about
his act. What I got was a series of stammering stops and
starts with intermittent muttering about audience
participation and humour. How can the general public have a
clear definition of our art if we can't sum it up in one or
two sentences?
By the way, if the artistic development workshop
materializes I will fly down from the wine country to
attend. I hope it happens. The possible low attendance could
work in our favor. Just adjust the ticket prices
accordingly.
Steve Kucera
the Wine Country Wizard
707 578 8920
S8
s
Msg #2904 Dated 22:54:45 05-19-91
From: JAMES H MARLER II
To: ALL
Re: THRU-BALL
I would like anyone out there with an opinion to give some remarks
about this cute little effect. I will admit up front that whwn I
received the package and saw what it was I was a little more than
disappointed, but after a while i added a couple of little (I do mean
LITTLE) effects to it and now it is almost always my opener (with
music). Feel free to hack it up if you want. I really need honest
opinions.
Msg #2905 Dated 22:56:02 05-19-91 -> 2908
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: ME
David--
The TV show I mentioned to you before has benn rescheduled. It
will be on this Thursday (5/23) at 9PM on ABC.
The series is "My Life & Times," and it's been a disaster in the
ratings. I wrote the teleplay for this episode, "Our Wedding,"
and acted as Story Editor for a number of the other shows. I, however,
refuse any and all blame for things you don't like!
If you get a chance, watch it and lemme know what you think.
The script was good!
Msg #2906 Dated 22:59:01 05-19-91 -> 2909
From: JAMES H MARLER II
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC CLUBS
It's me again. I am currently under stress. I have nowhere to perform
here in Mobile. I was wondering if I could get a comprehensive list
of magic clubs from anyone. You would have my eternal thanks.
Msg #2908 Dated 23:14:41 05-19-91 2905 <--> 2916
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ME
Thanks for the info, Evan. And it was really a pleasure meeting you at
the MAGIC! luncheon (did anyone notice that the "luncheon" actually
lasted some 62 hours?).
Will definitely try and see the show live. If that doesn't work, I
plan to tape it. Would you consider autographing the cassette?
Msg #2909 Dated 23:19:34 05-19-91 2906 <--> 2929
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JAMES H MARLER II
Re: MAGIC CLUBS
Hopefully, somebody will be able to provide a list for you. Meanwhile,
here's a suggestion - Call FAY GOLD at G/C/T Publications in Mobile.
Phone number is (205) 478-4700. Tell her that I suggested that you
call and that they should do a feature story on magic as a performing
art in Creative Kids magazine, and that since you are right there in
Mobile, you would make a great subject. Reprints of the article could
do wonders for your career.
Msg #2911 Dated 0:47:03 05-20-91 2886 <--> 2913
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I think you've missed the point. It's not that my refusing to perform
is condescending; it's that being asked to perform is insulting. I
would not excuse myself on the basis of having a headache that night,
as that would suggest that on another occasion I'd be delighted to
perform... and in fact, I would not.
Regarding Horowitz performing at "a gathering of intimate friends,"
that changes the rules entirely. My comments have to do with a social
gathering, not specifically of intimate friends.
Msg #2912 Dated 1:26:23 05-20-91 -> 2993
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RD MAGIC
Jerry,
I did a d/l of Rdmagic. I played with it a while but am still confused
about the manuvering required to make full use of the program. the
help file is not enough to get me through this, do you have more docs
that would help? How do you return to the begining of the file after yo
u read down a thread? I seemed not to be able to move backward. Let me
know if I got the wrong file on the d/l. it was dated 5/17 or
there-abouts. thanks for the help
Msg #2913 Dated 2:35:48 05-20-91 2886 <--> 2920
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Interesting, David...
You added quotation marks to Max's statement.
(Evan, are you reading this?)
Max did not include quotation marks and his suggested response to an
unwelcome performance request was not a comeback line, but rather an
capsulized intent or essence of a response. The actual words uttered
could still be as diplomatic or gracious as desired.
When I'm asked to perform in any social situation and don't wish to, I
simply say something like, "I'm really here to relax and enjoy your
company. Please don't ask me to work."
Msg #2914 Dated 2:50:05 05-20-91 2885 <--> 2918
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGICDB VERSION 3
Yes indeed. In my next dream, I intend to start auditioning
assistants! (It's a great life!)
Msg #2915 Dated 2:53:10 05-20-91 2891 <--> 2923
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGICIAN'S ASSISTANT
Tabby and Burton may have been there but, since you're still a free
man, the vice squad obviously wasn't there!
Msg #2916 Dated 2:56:09 05-20-91 2905 <--> 2928
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ME
Careful, now...don't let this degenerate into another "Those damn
ACTORS screwed up the show!" kind of Hollywood anti-actor tirades!!!
I'm a member of the ASPCA...(American Society for the Prevention of
Cruelty to Actors!) and of SAG...(Screen Animals Guild!) Oops.
Msg #2918 Dated 7:15:13 05-20-91 2914 <--> 2934
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGICDB VERSION 3
Auditioning assistants is a fairly pedestrian dream. It is quite
common among males between the ages of eight and 800. There is some
evidence that it is also growing quite popular among females as well.
Msg #2919 Dated 7:42:32 05-20-91 2892 <--> 2925
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ILLUSION BUILDER
Mike,
Why not visit a few small cabinet shops and rap with the
folks and find someone who seems hip and can build what you want
especially since you can be the whip. Also,. have you talked to
Bill Smith? If you do tell him I said hi.
tabman
Msg #2920 Dated 9:51:17 05-20-91 2911 <--> 2922
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
It is quite possible that our individual definitions of "social
gathering" do differ. I would be interested in knowing yours.
In all but a limited set of conditions, however, I find it
difficult to interpret a request to perform as insulting. I think
that the essence of the request is, in general, flattering. The
fact that it is your chosen line of work and that it has monetary
value is, I would think, recognized in the request.
In my own field I find it very common for people to ask me work
related questions. I have never felt insulted by such requests,
even though it may have taken me many hours of work to discover
the answers. If the questions can be answered within a reasonable
time, I will usually do so. If the question is too complex, I may
either suggest that they call me during working hours or I may
refer them to a publication, either one of my own or someone
else's, in which the answer may be found. In general, and perhaps
much like your own case, it is unlikely that they are in a
position to hire me as I do very little consulting work outside of
large corporate settings.
There have been a few occasions on which I have been annoyed.
Someone, for example, once asked me if I could copy some software
for him - to make a pirate copy. Since the software he was asking
for was one of my own commercial products, I felt his request was
particularly rude.
Msg #2922 Dated 9:54:37 05-20-91 2913 <--> 2952
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
The English language is wonderful! I was quoting from Max's message,
not intentionally indicating that he would speak the line exactly.
Your own line seems reasonable.
Msg #2923 Dated 9:59:12 05-20-91 2915 <--> 2942
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGICIAN'S ASSISTANT
If the vice squad had been there, I believe my own performance would
have been overlooked as it was well within the "community standard" for
comedy clubs. My views on such places were confirmed - most of the
rest of the show (other than Becky's performance) was very crude and
pandered to the lowest aspects of human behavior.
What I did find interesting was what happened after my performance.
Somehow, I missed the door to the dressing rooms and ended up in the
hotel lobby. In attempting to locate a rest room, I wandered through
the lobby, past a prom in one of the banquet halls, and past three
hotel security guards. No-one seemed to feel that my costume was
unusual.
Msg #2924 Dated 10:07:32 05-20-91 2897 <--> 2931
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ZOMBIE
Thanks for the advise Pete, but this isn't a joke. I am well aware of
the extensive amount of chatter on the line about Zombie, but wasn't in
town to get in on it. That the life of a woeking guy. Would like to
include a Zombie routine with a levitation I am now having built. My
idea was to use two (unknown to the audience) and have assistant be a
"worker" too. If you might have other ideas, would enjoy hearing them.
Sorry to be so late on the conversation. MIKE KING
Msg #2925 Dated 10:11:43 05-20-91 2898 <--> 2926
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ILLUSION BUILDER
As a matter of fact, I already am and have been rehearsing with a
proto-type of the illusion in question for the past three months. I am
in need of a finished, presentable product. So thanks for the concern
about my practice schedule, but since I do this sort of thing for a
living (MAGIC) I am well aware of the need for rehearsal and spend a
good 6 to 8 hours a day doing it. But I guess that's of no concern to
you. I am still in the need for a good builder. Any ideas? MIKE KING
Msg #2926 Dated 10:17:00 05-20-91 2919 <--> 2930
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ILLUSION BUILDER
I thank you Tabster. No I have not spoken with Mr. Smith (Doesn't he
go to Washington) but the reasons are much the same as mentioned
earlier. I think the idea of speaking with cabinet builders is a good
one and I have already gotten the ball rolling on that. I know
yourself being a fine craftsman (I've seen some of your wonderful work)
would know something about getting this done. I do need the prop done
quickly, but have been rehearsing with a proto-type for the past 90
days. So, the routine is perfected, but I am only in need of the prop.
I have a bit of experience in finishing, I just need someone to do the
construction and I would do the finish. Thanks again for your advise,
much appreciated. Have a good trip back enjoyed meeting you> MIKE
KING
Msg #2928 Dated 10:54:03 05-20-91 2905 <--> 2950
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ME
Evan... later this year remind me... I have a treatment for a TV Series
that is totally different in concept (I know everybody says that) but
want to discuss with you. Next few months I don't have ANY TIME...
later... pb
Msg #2929 Dated 10:55:26 05-20-91 2906 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JAMES H MARLER II
Re: MAGIC CLUBS
Look in the Linking Ring (back section for club reports) Check the
magic stores to see if there are any clubs. Start your own club. Work
on street conerners. Work in a restaurant. Persistance will do it. God
er GOOD luck...
Msg #2930 Dated 10:59:07 05-20-91 2925 <--> 2935
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ILLUSION BUILDER
Tabby suggested Bill Smith. He is in Long Beach and a dream of a
builder. Hope you were not offended by my facitious remarks... HOWEVER,
I really get upset when acts work before they are READY... and I really
hope you do a great job... but before you try to work a major
convention try to do the FULL ACT anywhere in front of real people.
Everything changes when it is NO LONGER A REHEARSAL... the live
audience puts a totally new perspective on things.
Best of Luck and let us know how you do...
Msg #2931 Dated 11:03:33 05-20-91 2924 <--> 2937
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ZOMBIE
If you can 'GO BACK' throught the thread, read Tommy Wonder's GREAT
comments on Zombie. If yoiu don't know how, ask David.
Msg #2932 Dated 11:04:34 05-20-91 -> 2936
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BONES
Bones Joke... Karen Carpenter, right? Can't do online too long, ask me
when I hit town... I assume you are catching up on sleep. All is insane
here, got the job done and loads of compliments (and a raise) from the
client!!! Har! (Everyone else is now using Arrrrrggggghhhhh), so it is
Har! (for now). Lecture tonite. Fun fun fun... giving my notes away
free to the first 40. (Hope 40 show up). Be in touch! All is beginnning
to be good. Adios.
Msg #2934 Dated 11:56:45 05-20-91 2918 <--> 2944
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGICDB VERSION 3
I disagree entirely with your assertion that my "auditioning
assistants" dream is "pedestrian." As proof, more than half of the
dream took place in the backseat of a CAR!
Msg #2935 Dated 12:16:21 05-20-91 2930 <--> 3012
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ILLUSION BUILDER
Thanks for the words of wisdom and encouragement, sir. I have several
public performances for lay audiences planned in the near future here
I planned to premiere the act for the magic faternity in Vegas. Sorry
about the misunderstanding, no offense taken, I hope the same of my
comments in response. Depending on reaction to public performances, I
will make my decision to perform in Vegas. Thanks again, I'm still a
new guy in the area. MIKE
Msg #2936 Dated 12:03:24 05-20-91 2932 <--> 2954
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BONES
Allow me to introduce the first Marlo improvement:
"Harr!" Copyright 1991 by Ed Marlo. All rights reserved, including
performance rights which have been assigned to Bruce Cervon.
(Watch for Bruce Cervon's newest book, "Ultra-Harr!" (L&L Publishing,
$139.95; Special Collector's Edition, $2.99)
-------ALSO--------
Richard Kaufman's latest essential masterpiece, "HARdly ricHARd's"
-------------------
Yes, folks...get in on the HAR! craze, as performed by:
Jerry HARtman, HARry Lorrayne, Paul HARris, Christopher HARt, Johnny
HARt...and in the great tradition of Robert HARbin and, of course, the
father of "HAR!"....HARdeen!!!
Msg #2937 Dated 12:21:52 05-20-91 2931 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ZOMBIE
Hi again, Pete. Have already read the comments of which you speak. In
fact have hardcopied them and added them to me trusty magic scrapbook.
I was just looking for other ideas, so thought I'd ask. MIKE
Msg #2940 Dated 13:30:38 05-20-91 2746 <--> 2996
From: MARVIN STERN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
You're welcome. It was nice meeting you and the other members, but I
don't understand why David says those things about you. You seem OK.
Msg #2942 Dated 13:34:19 05-20-91 2891 <--> 2948
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGICIAN'S ASSISTANT
Is the world really ready for Lichtman topless?
Understand Joe saw you and Tabby on Sat. Hope you didn't spend too
much money, so you can save up for your 4th pin.
Sure was a fun afternoon on Friday.
Msg #2943 Dated 15:37:30 05-20-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: BUILD ILLUSIONS
Get somebody to cut it out and assemble and finish it yourself.
If you need some assembly help holler at me and I'll tell you
what I know on that score. Cutting accurately is the hardest part
especially if compound angles occur. If you have blueprints or
shop drawings a good cabinet man could do it no problem. Offer to
do any legwork for special materials, etc and get a deadline.
There are a lot of "backyard" shops which could do it reasonably
and use formica instead of paint.
s
Msg #2944 Dated 16:09:14 05-20-91 2934 <--> 2946
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CALIFORNIA DREAMIN'
Ah, but was the CAR'S engine running at the time? You do know that I
could use Fraudian psychology to make much out of this?
Msg #2946 Dated 16:13:46 05-20-91 2944 <--> 2949
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CALIFORNIA DREAMIN'
The car engine wasn't running, it was IDLING...and, in fact, I was
parked right next to a DON'T WALK sign!
Msg #2948 Dated 16:22:38 05-20-91 2942 <--> 2992
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGICIAN'S ASSISTANT
Evidently, the Pan Pacific Hotel (which houses the ComedyLand club) was
ready for it.
It was a great pleasure to run into Joe on Saturday. His being there
reaffirms that he knows what he is doing. Let's see... what did I
buy... just some diskettes and a 16450 chip set. Leaves me plenty of
money to someday buy my first Rabbit in Hat pin from you.
Msg #2949 Dated 16:25:53 05-20-91 2946 <--> 2964
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CALIFORNIA DREAMIN'
Ah ha! A DON'T WALK sign is CLEAR EVIDENCE that you were in a
pedestrian neighborhood! Now, if the car in question happened to be a
'57 Chevy, you could be off the hook.
I was glad to hear that you were in the back seat. Smart for a dream.
I recall many times when I had to softly say, "No, no, that's the
gearshift lever..."
Msg #2950 Dated 17:44:11 05-20-91 2916 <--> 2951
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ME
Actors? The actors did a fine job. I was implying there were other
criminals committing literary rape on my script, they to remain
nameless because of airtight California libel law.
Msg #2951 Dated 17:46:19 05-20-91 2928 <--> 3014
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ME
Will do. Also, Pete, always take the precaution of registering
everything you create with the Writers' Guild before you show it to
ANYONE, regardless of how much you trust them and whether or not
they're a blood relative.
Msg #2952 Dated 17:48:40 05-20-91 2913 <--> 2953
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I read, I grinned, I beared it.
Msg #2953 Dated 17:49:37 05-20-91 2920 <--> 2958
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Have to say I agree. Coming from a decidedly non-professional
magician's perspective, it's easy for me to agree that an informal
(non-professional) request for a performance is not insulting --
because all requests to me are such!
There is a line, I guess. If someone asked me to write them a story
for free, that would be insulting. But if someone asked me to tell
them a joke, share my thoughts on their own ideas, or otherwise
share fun, thoughts, ideas, joy in a social gathering, it'd be hard to
interpret it as an insult. Does a chef get insulted when he's visiting
friends and he's asked advice on food? Not unless he is so
self-inflated and convinced of not only his own unique-ness but
superiority over others as well, would he mind. Of course!
I think we keep coming to the "magic is unique" conclusion... Wait, let
me look back at that last sentence... AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
If magic is so unique, perhaps this explains why it enjoys a scorn and
generally sinking popularity with the general population like no other
art form I can think of. Perhaps we should start thinking, talking and
perceiving magic as an art and finding similarities with other arts so
that we may learn their lessons.
Msg #2954 Dated 18:02:04 05-20-91 2936 <--> 2967
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BONES
!
Msg #2955 Dated 18:02:13 05-20-91 -> 2995
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: THE END IS HERE
Thanks to all who are participating in the latest MAGIC! booksale.
Today is the deadline for the signed copies of _The MAGIC OF MICHAEL
AMMAR_ 10% of all proceeds are donated to MAGIC! for operational
expenses. The following is a list of lucky participants:Philip
Benedicto, Stan Lake, Burton the Bizarre, David VanVranken, Blake
Chatfield, and Doug Larson. If you have sent in a check but are not
listed please let me know immediately so that your volume can be
ordered. If you would still like to order a copy please do but there
can no longer be a gaurantee of signature.
Msg #2958 Dated 18:09:17 05-20-91 2953 <--> 2959
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Let's just for a moment suppose that the chef was invited to the party
as a guest and another guest, lacking the chef's professional
expertise, was asked for advice on the preparation of the meal. Wonder
how the chef would feel.
What we have introduced into this conversation is the matter of the
degree to which one is being asked to assist in providing entertainment
(or, in the case of the chef, work in the kitchen) for the affair. And
the question of who is doing the asking and under what circumstances.
I would think that these things would make a big difference.
I don't mind answering a few questions at a social gathering. I DO
resent someone drawing me aside and badgering me for 1/2 hour. The
chef might enjoy giving advice, I doubt he or she would enjoy being
asked to prepare the meal.
Msg #2959 Dated 18:23:50 05-20-91 2958 <--> 2986
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Now you're beginning to catch on to what I meant. I have no problem
with having a conversation with someone about my work; it's the
desire (or expectation) that I would actually perform that carries the
problem.
Msg #2961 Dated 18:37:54 05-20-91 -> 3025
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Marvin--
It sure was great meeting you for lunch! Listen, I'm sure you had no
intention of skipping out on us, but your share of the luncheon was
twenty dollars. The rest of us were a bit short, so we split it five
ways. I can't speak for everyone, but two dollars is no real big deal
to me -- just get it to me within the next few days. And no checks
please.
--Evan
Msg #2963 Dated 19:06:19 05-20-91 2869 <--> 2978
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NO LUNCH
What's a Steinmeyer Okito Box...we do a gag bit with a dove pan where
she makes candy, but the other I havent heard of.
Msg #2964 Dated 19:08:57 05-20-91 2870 <-
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGICDB VERSION 3
Abbotts had a shelf full.....want their address????????
Msg #2965 Dated 19:15:55 05-20-91 2819 <-
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACK & TELLER
That's It! Yuppie! He could do money magic! Yeah, that's it! That's the
ticket!
Msg #2967 Dated 19:24:15 05-20-91 2954 <--> 2994
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BONES
You took the ! right out of my left pinky!
Msg #2969 Dated 19:22:37 05-20-91 -> 2980
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
A friend of mine who owns a party catering service is giving my first
chance at performing regulary! I'm so excited. My stage persona is a
juggler as well as a magician. Although somewhat of a smart alec, he's
still likable. I would appreciate recommendations of books on
entertaining kids. I would also appreciate any ideas of tricks that can
be suited for juggling, as i'm always looking for news bits to add to
my act. So any ideas? Some of the ones I've had suggested (and done!)
include:
Producing ball from a production box (The kind with a 45 degree mirror)
Tim Wenk's PunchLine
Silks from You-Know-Where (Duhhh, the thum tip!)
and so on. Thanx in advance for your ideas!
Msg #2971 Dated 20:45:30 05-20-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: THE MESS ON THE TABLE
Er, sorry about that folks. It is my job to empty the ashtrays
and clean the glasses so that the MAGIC! party can go on. In the last
hour or so, I'm afraid that some of you noticed that there were no hors
d'ouvres in the trays, no champagne in the bottles, and no room on the
tables for more glasses.
In effect, for about an hour you were getting messages about how you
couldn't leave messages, etc.
See, I was carrying some of the dirty glasses into the kitchen when I
became anamoured of the serving wench. I'll make up for it. I'll do
penance tonite and get the mess straightened out.
Msg #2973 Dated 21:14:17 05-20-91 -> 2985
From: KEVIN MEADOR
To: ALL
Re: COSTUMES
I was wondering if anyone can make suggestions
as to where to buy or to have made costumes for
my assistants, for use in an illusion show, a
catolog would be nice, but not actually needed.
I would like to use a Vegas Showgirl costume for
one illusion in particular, and then the other
illusion I'm flexible, anyone got any suggestions?
Thanks, Kevin
Msg #2976 Dated 21:58:35 05-20-91 -> 3067
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: THE END IS HERE
Since it's still the 20th, and if there is still time,
please add my name to the list for Ammar's new book.
Let me know where to mail the check. Trust me, I know
Marvin Stern!
Msg #2978 Dated 22:31:46 05-20-91 2963 <--> 2997
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: NO LUNCH
Sorry! I meant a Steinmeyer ORIGAMI BOX. My apologies to you, Jim
Steinmeyer, Bamberg, Robert Harbin and Akira Yoshizawa.
Msg #2979 Dated 22:35:17 05-20-91 -> 3007
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ORIGAMI
I can't locate the message in which I was told that the Robert Harbin
Origami book was available in paperback. But I want to thank the
person who told me about it.
The local B. Dalton's had a copy in the Origami section; which turned
out to be in "Crafts" rather than either "Games" or "Magic."
Msg #2980 Dated 22:34:04 05-20-91 2969 <--> 2998
From: RICHARD HART
To: SCOTT CRAM
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Scott,
About the best books/tapes on performing magic(?) for kids are
produced by David Ginn. I can whole-heartedly recommend them. To name
a couple:
Professional Magic for Children
Kidbiz
There's also a video/book called "Live Kidbiz" that Ginn puts out. You
can pick 'em up at most any magic dealer. There's also Frances
Marshall's "Kid Stuff" (in several volumes)...
Come to think of it, there's also:
Magic For Monsters by Arnold Furst
Open Sesame by Eric Lewis and Wilf Tyler
Doing Magic for Youngsters by Bert Easley and Eric Wilson
Kid Show Showmanship by Bruce Posgate
That ought to keep you busy for a while!
Msg #2981 Dated 0:02:44 05-21-91 2715 <--> 2982
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Pete,
We thought of that, but decided against it for several reasons:
1: USPC can do special printings like this but their minimum
order was for 25,000 decks. Besides, I heard somewhere that
their quality control was questionable? Actually, they did
give us the number of their Canadian plant which could produce
lesser quantities, at around 10,000 decks.
2: Having a deck format would pretty much require unbroken sets
and would eliminate the "trading card" format. Part of the
interest was in small trading packets of 5 to 15 cards.
3: Who would be on which card? Who gets the Ace, and even worse,
who gets the Joker? How do you explain when you hand out your
card to someone why the 3 of Clubs is on it?
It seems the best overall format is the "Baseball Card" with a
photo on the face and a brief biography on the back.
What I need now is an address list of possible magicians to
include in the set so I can get proposals and releases to them.
It's hard to believe, but not all of them are on Magic! (yet?)
Any help that you or the others can be in compiling such a list
would be GREATLY appreciated.
Addresses can be uploaded to me privately or mailed to the
Sportscards address in the previous message.
Msg #2982 Dated 0:03:46 05-21-91 2736 <-
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Tabman,
See previous message to Pete. I DO need assistance in finding
enough people to make a good set. I'm working on a list now of
performers I would like to see in the set. Will upload it soon.
Msg #2985 Dated 0:42:24 05-21-91 2973 <--> 3019
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: KEVIN MEADOR
Re: COSTUMES
Hi there,
My suggestion for costuming is consult your local dance school.
Competition ballroom dancers use some elaborate costuming and
the school can usually recommend a good designer. They can make
them for all types of themes and best of all you can really move
in them.
Personally I am going to the International Grand Ball in San
Francisco in July. Representatives from dance costume companies
will come from all over the world and set up booths. You dont
even need to go to the shows.
If you are on a budget put up a flyer in a local university
theatre arts building. Never forget the resources of the
starving student community. Also a good source for set
designers, directors and lighting people.
Good luck.
Oh by the way; Hi I am Steve Kucera the Wine Country Wizard.
Msg #2986 Dated 0:58:05 05-21-91 2893 <--> 2987
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Which side of the question are you addressing ? I read recently
you did cup & balls with grapes, coffee cups, and lemons. Does that
mean you agree that a 'true' magician should always be prepared,
when he deems it appropriate, to do a 'little something' or are you
taking Max's position that it is never appropriate to do something
for free at a social gathering (I think that is his position - if
not I'm sure he will correct me).
.
Those of us that are still new to this game would like to know.
Msg #2987 Dated 0:58:16 05-21-91 2959 <--> 3015
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Aha - now I see where YOU are coming from and I can see your your
point. How about taking it away from you personally and discussing
the generic question of why there is an expectation on the part of
people that a magician should be able to do something magical ON
DEMAND - and (again I refer to Magicians Obligation, which is only
the most recent reference I can think of) that we should do it, in
order to maintain the mystique of being magical.
.
This might lead on to the line of discussion that Evan suggested,
i.e. what makes magic, as an art form, so unique that people would
expect us to be able to do magic, when they would never approach
an artist at party and for a drawing, or a singer to sing a song.
I'm sure you have run into this many times and have evolved to your
present position.
.
I'm sure you have changed from your view of 15 years ago (I made
the reference to point out that perhaps at that stage of your
career you MAY have used social situations differently than you do
now).
Msg #2988 Dated 0:58:32 05-21-91 2902 <--> 2989
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
I'm seriously thinking about putting it together. I have in mind
a workshop format, rather than just a lecture or seminar. You would
learn no new 'tricks' in this workshop, you would present your
own choice of material and get help from the other 'students' and
direction from the professor who is charge of the workshop.
.
Each workshop would be run by an expert in some form of magical
presentation, e.g. dialogue, movement, staging, lighting, etc.
There are enough sources of material, what we need is help in ways
of presenting it a form that maximizes each person's unique
personality, and learning which established theatrical techiques
are applicable.
.
I would estimate that there would be aprox 10-15 students per
workshop that would last a full day. I havn't figured out
what something like this would cost, but I would like to do it
on a non-profit basis. As soon as I have some idea as to what
the costs would be I'll let all of you know what it would be.
Msg #2989 Dated 0:58:47 05-21-91 2884 <--> 2990
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Thanks for your kind words. You are right about the right hand, I
have a problem with it in that if I flash, its to the left and you
were sitting on my left elbow. The Buddha is a brand new original
effect and its still not quite where I think it should be, but its
coming along.
.
I had to laugh, I noticed your wife dozing off during the Buddha
routine, so I used her to hold the final coins. At least she saw
the ending.
Msg #2990 Dated 0:58:58 05-21-91 2887 <--> 2991
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
The format I have in mind is to use peers, experts, and video
to put the polish onto an act and maybe even set-up a lay
performance with evaluation forms (kind of like how they rate
commercials). The primary goal is to enhance a person's performance
skills, rather than teach tricks.
.
Using your example, after you have gotten it past your magic
buddies and a few friends and feel confident in doing it, then and
only then would you present it at a workshop to attempt to add the
final 'sandpapering' to make it even better.
.
Make any sense ?? Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #2991 Dated 0:59:10 05-21-91 2902 <--> 2999
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Agreed - magic in a shoe store is inappropriate. Regarding the
phone book, in my book, about half the listings under Magicians
include clowns. Does yours split them apart ?
Msg #2992 Dated 0:59:17 05-21-91 2948 <--> 3027
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGICIAN'S ASSISTANT
No one noticed that David didn't have a shirt on because they
thought he was wearing a fur vest under his coat.
Msg #2993 Dated 0:59:24 05-21-91 2912 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: RD MAGIC
To go back to the beginning enter B. If a thread has a back pointer
enter <-. Regarding documentation - no, I guess I'll have to get
started on that. I'm going to upload another version, probably
tomorrow that shows all the active keys on the bottom line.
.
If you hit a return at the end of a thread, you will move to the
next message that you havn't already read (it skips by messages that
were read out of sequence via -> through a thread).
Msg #2994 Dated 0:59:35 05-21-91 2954 <--> 3013
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BONES
Oh no ! not the dreaded exclamation point, please don't start again.
.
Enjoyed meeting you at the luncheon. Let's start a new thread on
what makes magic unique as a performing art - the other one, albeit
interesting is carrying about three major thoughts. Go for it.
Msg #2995 Dated 0:59:43 05-21-91 2955 <--> 3068
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: THE END IS HERE
Did you find a Burger Spirit theatre for me ??
Msg #2996 Dated 0:59:50 05-21-91 2940 <--> 3028
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCHEON
Marvin - you can keep the two dollars you owe me the pin was well
worth it.
Msg #2997 Dated 0:59:56 05-21-91 2978 <--> 3000
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NO LUNCH
Geez - I thought you were refering to a stage size Okito box
using manhole covers or hubcaps.
Msg #2998 Dated 1:00:03 05-21-91 2969 <--> 3018
From: JERRY BURTON
To: SCOTT CRAM
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
How about as you are juggling say 3 balls, that you dump them one
by one into a topit and end up with none. Could be done rather
comical if you act surprised as to their disapperance - just a
thought.
Msg #2999 Dated 1:19:36 05-21-91 2990 <--> 3081
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR QUESTION
Yes, it makes a great deal of sense.
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