MAGIC! - 28
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Msg #3504 Dated 8:37:50 05-25-91 -> 3505
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Nice to be one of your students bwana
Msg #3505 Dated 8:39:01 05-25-91 -> 3506
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
YO... I plan to check on it when I get back to the Left Coast... we are
in deep deep here with raing, rain, rain and 567,000 people with their
tickets, (seat and air) all standing around soaked! AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHKKK
Msg #3506 Dated 8:40:02 05-25-91 -> 3510
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Most often I say, Hofzinser Bottom Palm (the Jack of Clubs was the
example card).... har
Msg #3507 Dated 8:42:26 05-25-91 -> 3508
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Can I sell a script to my uncle? Just need a reciept? Har?
Msg #3508 Dated 8:43:25 05-25-91 -> 3509
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
I belong to a "racing press" assn., that literally keeps members OUT,
and kickes members OUT... if they aren't really professionals, and have
three years of continued experience.
Msg #3509 Dated 8:44:52 05-25-91 -> 3519
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Allthe Castle is really doing is creating the largest CUSTOMER base
they can, and that is fine, if you regards it as a BUSINESS. And that
is what it is. Nothing wrong with that. It has been MORE THAN GOOD
for magic!
Msg #3510 Dated 8:49:49 05-25-91 -> 3511
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
You got it Rick Gerber... he's been doing Budweiser parties for year.
They have a good rapport and he knows how to work those situations.
Msg #3511 Dated 8:51:11 05-25-91 -> 3522
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
pETE: tHAT guy may have been Shep Hyken. He does a lot of work for Bud.
Msg #3512 Dated 8:51:48 05-25-91 -> 3520
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESPONSE TO 2932
Full page (back of sports) and also just found out center spread of the
NATIONAL.
Msg #3513 Dated 8:52:29 05-25-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LIBRARY
Don't let anyone rear end those Pinto seats!
Msg #3516 Dated 8:57:36 05-25-91 -> 3526
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Tabman:
I have no idea what you are talking about. What makes the whole
thing more manageable? What takes finger work? Who is Jerry? what beta
version?.. Maybe I didn't get the entire message from the begtinning.
Also, I wonder if you can help me out. I tried to download all the
messages since I was last on here. I use procomm plus like you. So,
when I hit "R' to read messagages, I was prompted for message number.
So I hit pgdn for download. Then hit enter for Ascii. When asked for
file name I typed RC;*. I got an error message that said something to
the effect of no being able to open file. Can you tell me what I'm
doing wrong?
Also, do you know how I can use the script in procomm plus to dial
and log on to magic for me in order to save time.
If the answers are too involved, let me know. I'll call you on the
phone...
Msg #3517 Dated 9:03:54 05-25-91 -> 3527
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RAY MERTZ
Tabman:
Ray is in Florida right now. But he does that a lot (leaving his
machine off). Sometimes I wonder what he does about jobs that come in.
However, When he gets back from Florida, I'll tell him...
Msg #3519 Dated 9:40:23 05-25-91 3509 <--> 3524
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
I've always figured that the Castle was one of the best "win-win"
situations I've ever seen. The only thing that scares me is when they
keep trying to "fix" the formula - like thinking about putting a second
Castle in Cleveland or adding "sculptures" to the lawn. Hmmm... wonder
if we could get it declared a National Historical Site or something...
Msg #3520 Dated 9:42:24 05-25-91 3512 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESPONSE TO 2932
OK, will look. Congrats!
Msg #3522 Dated 9:57:34 05-25-91 3505 <--> 3523
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
And us needing rain. Going to Memphis (music stuff) next weekend to
take some guys from Nashville that like Texas Power Rock to see my
little ole band, Bone Pony. Atlantic City this weekend with Catch 22.
Things are looking up, but shakey (so what's new I guess). Spend 5 to
make a dollar. Seems like I've got this backwards somewhere.
Msg #3523 Dated 9:57:41 05-25-91 3506 <--> 3528
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I'm still working on the O'Dowd/Plants Top Deal from the three
fingered grip.
Msg #3524 Dated 9:57:46 05-25-91 3509 <--> 3530
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
I wish I lived closer. I'd hang out there every Friday.
Msg #3526 Dated 9:57:58 05-25-91 3516 <--> 3611
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: FFFF
You lost some of the message as I was experimenting with JERRY
Burton's new program RDMAGIC! which is in development for MAGIC!.
It is several steps toward an easy, offline interactive environment
heading in the direction of total automation. I don't have Procomm
Plus (am using a five year old version) so make me a copy on a 360k
5 in floppy so I can look at it. If it's got autologon etc no problem
and it is just what I'm looking for to tie in with RDMAGIC! I am off-
line writing this with your original message on the screen and this
text in a window. Send me the Pro+ and let me batch file it all
together. There are a couple of other guys (me too) looking for the
same type of automation. I'm close now, but the auto features of
said programm should do the trick.
Msg #3527 Dated 9:58:10 05-25-91 3517 <--> 3662
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: RAY MERTZ
Ray is so polite that he probably left it off so nobody would think
he wasn't returning his calls on time. What a guy!
Msg #3528 Dated 10:03:21 05-25-91 -> 3531
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Jerry, I don't consider myself qualified to teach magic. I _do_
consider myself qualified to direct and teach performance technique.
The problems with putting together a workshop are many, including the
assembly of a group who would run the workshops...a group whose
approach would be comprised of a complimentary spectrum of experience
and approach. The biggest problem is that of scheduling the mutually
convenient time for such a group.
Msg #3529 Dated 10:25:10 05-25-91 -> 3538
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: NICE STUFF!
PERUSED....not acquired, Dante.
By the way, I like the cover layout very much. I think the more
traditional setup, complete with the upper left placement of the logo
looks great.
Msg #3530 Dated 10:34:46 05-25-91 3508 <--> 3533
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
That's the way it _should_ be.
Msg #3531 Dated 10:37:37 05-25-91 3510 <--> 3534
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Speaking of Budweiser...allow me to get a plug in here for my new TV
personna of "BUDMAN." Actually they are three guys in foam suits but
I'm the voice of one of 'em...I think it's Bud Dry. It's their newest
national campaign...BUDMAN giving away prizes in sixpacks...from a Jeep
to a towel!
While I'm in a self-promotional mode, (since my series went off the air
and I fired my publicist...If I don't....who will?), my new show opens
tonight at Knott's Berry Farm. It's called "Peril On The Prairie" at
the super-huge Goodtime Theatre. It's all live actors-as-prairie-dogs
and me, pre-recorded, as the giant condor. (And I do mean GIANT...they
spent over $70,000.00 just building this electronic, hydraulic
critter!) Anyway...it plays every weekend through June 22nd, when it
goes to a full 6-days-per-week schedule. Catch it if you can. It's a
very imaginative, wonderful show with all-original music!
...
And now back to our feature presentation...
Msg #3533 Dated 10:58:22 05-25-91 3530 <--> 3540
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
I'm not so sure I agree. All it amounts to is protectionism - similar
to unionism. And in my mind, unions generally only protect the
incompetent. In a free market, the cream rises to the top.
Msg #3534 Dated 11:01:41 05-25-91 3531 <--> 3539
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Good goin', Wayne! Somehow, it seems appropriate to envision you as
Bud Dry. Will take me a little time to think of you as a giant condor
though.
Msg #3535 Dated 11:59:38 05-25-91 -> 3601
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Johnny Ace Palmer has been kind enough to send me a copy of an article
concerning the increasing value of non-sports trading cards. It
appeared in the May, 1991 issue of Money magazine. If you have not
already seen it and can't find a copy it, I'll be happy to pass it
along to you.
Msg #3537 Dated 12:21:06 05-25-91 -> 3541
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HAR!
Pete -
Thanks to a bit of magic with one of my Cray computers, I have been
able to do a bit of a literature search.
The earliest reference to "Har!" appears in the 1569 edition of
Illigitimus Non Carborundum Est. Interestingly enough, it appears in
quotes.
Msg #3538 Dated 12:39:36 05-25-91 3529 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: NICE STUFF!
Not May I guess, but June. Glad to hear the logo is back on Top.
Msg #3539 Dated 12:39:39 05-25-91 3531 <--> 3544
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
You mean I'm gonna have to be a BudMan fan now? My life is changing.
Msg #3540 Dated 12:39:42 05-25-91 3533 <--> 3542
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
How about a benevolent autocracy?
Msg #3541 Dated 12:39:46 05-25-91 3537 <--> 3612
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HAR!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Msg #3542 Dated 12:49:26 05-25-91 3540 <--> 3543
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
As long as the individual is free to opt out of the situation, there
does not seem to be anything particularly wrong with a benevolent
autocracy. It is probably the most enduring of human governmental
forms. The most recent incarnation is the modern business enterprise.
Msg #3543 Dated 12:39:53 05-25-91 3533 <--> 3557
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Well, we're gonna go 'round and 'round on this one!
I'm a union man for many years...Screen Actors' Guild (SAG), American
Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA), Actors' Equity
Association (AEA) and American Guild of Variety Artists (AGVA)...count
'em...four unions...as well as several professional organizations such
as American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP).
Your statement that "unions only protect the incompetent" is sheer
idiocy! Without my unions' hard-fought battles with producers, we
would never have such essential things as residuals, health plans,
pension plans and a list much too long to go into here.
While I may argue and fight with union leadership, (I've been known to
do my share of table-banging and storming out of committee meetings),
unions have and continue to provide very much needed collective
bargaining advantages to me and my fellow artists...both skim-milk and
cream!
Msg #3544 Dated 12:52:11 05-25-91 3534 <--> 3545
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
You gotta see it to believe it.
Msg #3545 Dated 12:53:56 05-25-91 3539 <--> 3558
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Yes. Me, too. I do hope people don't begrudge me my pleasurable Anchor
Steam Beer at the Castle!
Msg #3549 Dated 13:53:24 05-25-91 -> 3556
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: A DRINK.....WHEN
Date : 17-May-91 01:09
From : Tommy Wonder
To : Magic-Us
Subject : Hi from Mike King
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I would love to have a drink with you in the castle, but indeed, I
do not live in the area(just a few thousand miles away!). Is this
board not a great thing, that we can discuss things while living at
the other side of the world! And it goes incredibly fast too. At
this moment I do not have any trips planned to L.A. so I do not
know when we could meet physically, but who knows.
All the best.
Kind regards, Tommy..
Msg #3550 Dated 13:53:52 05-25-91 -> 3559
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: ZOMBIE....
Date : 17-May-91 01:05
From : Tommy Wonder
To : Magic-Us
Subject : Zombie
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Hey folks, do I get it wrong or are things getting out of hand? I
personally did never suggest doing zombie without a cloth as a
trick!
I only said that without a cloth it is not a trick but a puppet
play! And, if you do a routine with zombie, you should do it so
well that even without a cloth it should be an interesting and
captivating effect! The cloth does not make the illusion.
The illusion is made by the handling and the acting. That was what
I was talking about. I was definately not suggesting using black
art or whatever.
Zombie is practical. A floating ball with threads or black art as
the modus operandi is less practical. Zombie is probably the most
practical method we have for floating an object. All I did was
write a defense for zombie, because zombie is regarded a lousy
trick by many, which is so unfair to zombie.
There is nothing wrong with zombie.If there is something wrong
with zombie it is usually with the people performing it.
Of course there are other ways to make something float,
but that was not what I was talking about. I was just defending
zombie. That's all.
Kind regards, Tommy..
Msg #3551 Dated 13:55:04 05-25-91 -> 3693
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: FLOURISHES
m$eUh. gEE| hEGC(-NL Thu`2: May 91 19:23
Arnoud Van Delden posted the following msg:
Hi there from MAGIC!-NL again!
I'd like to know your opinions, ideas and experiences with the
use of flourishes in magic. Let's pinpoint the circumstances to
verbal close-up magic with cards and coins. This is a catagory
that can do without any flourishes (I'm not talking about the
necessary 'moves', they better be natural...). When studying the
subject of presentation, I always find people willing to
say/write things as:
-- Be natural
-- Leave all unnecessary movements out
-- You're not a jugler
-- Flourishes distract from the magic
-- When people see that, they'll think 'He can do anything' so
the magic is not so strong anymore.
-- Showing off is no magic (this one is true!)
Although these statements conflict in some way or another with
the following personal expiriences:
-- People like to see that your showing them something you took
a long time to master. They see your stuff is important. My
personal expirience is that lay people much often ask how long
I am in magic when they see my card- or wandspin and coinroll
interwoven in the effects than when I give them a plain
ambitious card routine (without any flourishes) wich took me
much longer to master. (flourishes seem to elimenate the thought
'no practice required'.)
-- Jugling acts can be art as well! Last weekend I was
delighted by the performance of the rusian juggler Gennadiy
Kil whose act outstood many of the other (magic) gala acts in
the gala of the Dutch Annual magic convention. (Again my
personal opinion)
-- You're selling personality together with magic. A magical
person is not natural. Although a society inwich everybody
dressed up like Jeff McBride would bring a lot of colour in our
world. (Jeff said he is wearing this all the time)
-- Dai Vernon was not talking about flourishes (but moves?)
when he said: 'Be Natural'. (Wandspin...)
-- Flourishes give a great 'natural' misdirection and can set
(at least enhance) a magical mood.
I hope anybody here can help me get things clear in my mind.
Let's get the ideas rolling here....
All the best from Holland, Arnoud van Delden (co-sysop)
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Msg #3552 Dated 13:55:39 05-25-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
MAGIC!-NL Wed 22 May 91 03:13
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Interesting that you have never heard the remark "I do not care what
I do as long as I entertain them"in other areas of show business.
Although I do not have a lot of contact with other people in show
business at this time, you may know that I have worked two years as
actor. From that time I have learned to see it as normal that one has
Msg #3553 Dated 14:00:26 05-25-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
MAGIC!-NL Wed 22 May 91 03:12
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Hello Jerry,
The concept of magic as an art form is not only foreign to some.
Some just reject the idea. At times when I spoke of magic as art
it happened that I got downright hostile remarks, saying I was
talking bull shit.
The problem is that these people were right, seeing things from
their perspective. What they are doing certainly is not art.
Also I noticed people who have something against using the word
art, associating it with unrealistic dreamers who have their
heads in the clouds.
As I see it their is not much "high" about art, it means for me
just working in an honest way, trying to realize your imagination.
And that is just hard work, keeping an open mind for reality
(and of course also keeping an open mind for your imagination),
it has nothing to do with dreaming, in the contrary!
I am not sure wether seminars and courses would help. It would
only help for those people who are convinced that they need
these skills.
For those who are incapable to understand that magic can be art,
because they have a different view on things, I think these
seminars are a waste of time and will always be a waste of time.
The only way to make things better is to try and do better
yourself. May be someone somewhere will be inspired by it, might
start to understand that magic is more than just tricks.
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Msg #3554 Dated 14:01:00 05-25-91 -> 3605
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
MAGIC!-NL Wed 22 May 91 03:13
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Interesting that you have never heard the remark "I do not care
what I do as long as I entertain them"in other areas of show
business.
Although I do not have a lot of contact with other people in
show business at this time, you may know that I have worked two
years as actor. From that time I have learned to see it as
normal that one has some deeper feelings towards one's work.
In magic there is almost a contrary atmosphere. Half a year ago
I did a lecture where I talked about theory as was agreed upon
before they booked me. Gee, they were hostile, especially when
I said that we should be less concerned about what the audience
likes and should only do what we like and then later throw out
of the repertoire that what is not liked by the audience.
They declared me crazy. Sometimes I get the impression that
many magicians willingly refuse to understand these simple
concepts. I do not know, will it ever get better?
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Msg #3555 Dated 14:01:34 05-25-91 -> 3779
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: ADRESSES WANTED
A freind of mine is looking for the address of Vernet in Brasil. Can
anyone help me with that???
He's also looking for an address in the US that makes the real leather
clown shoes. Your help is appreciated.
Thanks,
arnud
Msg #3556 Dated 14:19:30 05-25-91 3549 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: A DRINK.....WHEN
Well wnehever that chance meeting might take place. The drinks and
maybe even a meal are on me. I'm not sure exactly what country you
might be in as you sends your woeds of wisdom acroos this international
BBS, but I plan on performing a few weeks in Europe later this fall.
As dates and locations become available I will forward them to you.
But in the meantime we can converse here. Thank's for the shout.
MIKE
Msg #3557 Dated 15:14:07 05-25-91 3543 <--> 3560
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
I must say, that without BMI and Harry Fox Agy I'd never get paid
for radio airplay nor record sales. The only ticket for admittance?
Get a label cut. The performance rights societies, etc have done
more than the individual writers, etc could have done by themselves.
Msg #3558 Dated 15:14:13 05-25-91 3545 <--> 3561
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Never!
Msg #3559 Dated 15:14:16 05-25-91 3550 <--> 3572
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: ZOMBIE....
I met the man who claimed to have invented the Zombie, Joe Carson,
I think it was of Springfield, Massachusetts. There is an awesome
"variation" in Bruce Elliott's MAGIC AS A HOBBY using a thumbtip
and a cork. I made one up a few years ago and showed it to an
airline attendant while traveling. She jumped when the cork "floated"
off the tips of my fingers. It's pretty much a one on trick, though.
Do you know it?
Msg #3560 Dated 16:10:42 05-25-91 3557 <--> 3562
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Without question, Tab.
Msg #3561 Dated 16:11:12 05-25-91 3558 <--> 3594
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Thanks, (urp!), for your understanding.
Msg #3562 Dated 16:14:13 05-25-91 -> 3563
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
As far as SAG or WGA goes, it would be simple. The second tier of
membership should come as one earns a certain set minimum per annum
under the jurisdiction of said guild, with a one-year grace period for
those of us who get in an occasional slump, but are still working
professionals in the field.
Msg #3563 Dated 16:21:16 05-25-91 -> 3588
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
What's the big fuss?
Even in the great all-American passtime of baseball, there are
different levels of seating...some available only to the team or league
"insiders"...and, no matter how much money you're willing to spend...
ONLY THE PLAYERS GET TO SIT IN THE DUGOUT!
Msg #3564 Dated 16:31:21 05-25-91 -> 3565
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SO...WHEN???
I'm all for it, David.
Msg #3565 Dated 16:31:40 05-25-91 -> 3566
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SO...WHEN???
I'm all for it, Jerry.
Msg #3566 Dated 16:32:10 05-25-91 -> 3617
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SO...WHEN???
My purpose is not to "overthrow" the statue, in all seriousness.
I simply want the old fountain restored to its proper place at the
entrance of the Magic Castle. I wish no ill to the artist or his work.
I think the statue should be removed to someplace where it will be more
appropriate and, consequently, more appreciated.
Msg #3567 Dated 17:02:36 05-25-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DRAMAGIC
I just downloaded "Dramagic" and read it offline. I had to log back on
to tell you how much I enjoyed reading it. I do wish you'd build on
the theme for a more comprehensive look at the subject, though.
As it is, I've just added it to my suggested "required reading" list
for those who ask.
Msg #3569 Dated 17:41:51 05-25-91
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURE
Pete --
Thanks for downloading your lecture notes. Sorry I
missed the lecture, but (a) I had conflicting duties
that night (I virtually always have conflicting duties)
and (b) I don't think you ever told me where and when.
Seriously, though, sorry to have missed it. The
vanishing chairs and electric deck teasers have me
intrigued. I'll look forward to the book. Also to the
linking ring book. I've wondered about your routine
ever since Lou Derman described it as, "Oh, there are
fellows like Magician Pete Biro who can clown through a
droll everything-goes-wrong spoof of the classic
Chinese Linking Rings and get big laughs, but it takes
years of work to evolve funny solo bits like that."
* *
Getting back to the lecture, I am still interested as
to where you presented it, and for whom. Sounds as if
you are confirming my view of magic clubs, or at least,
given the recent MAGIC AS ART thread, most magicians.
Had I been there, I would have asked questions. Might
not have been intelligent, but I ALWAYS ask.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #3570 Dated 17:42:41 05-25-91 -> 3573
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CLUBS
Bill --
I agree -- I too am amused by all the stuff in the
MAGIC AS ART thread. It's hard for magicians to have
it both ways. One needs the numbers (whether they are
organized into fraternal groups or not) to sell books
to and to lecture to and to hold convention shows for,
yet one resents the proliferation of so many
substandard performers that such numbers necessarily
entail. Did you ever see the episode of Newhart (the
OLD Newhart) in which Emily scored sufficiently high on
an I.Q. test to enter MENSA? There was a MENSA party,
and everyone wore a button on his lapel that proclaimed
his I.Q. Perhaps this is the answer. Devise a test
(of both performance and knowledge quotients) that
would reduce one's standing in magic to a single
numerical value. We could all wear buttons that thus
identify our absolute standing in magic's pecking
order. Will have to propose this at the next meeting
of T.H.E.S.O.B.S.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #3571 Dated 18:37:50 05-25-91 -> 3576
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Okay...I need some help here!
My chop cup has somehow become magnetized throughout the interior of
the cup, so that when a ball is released from the gimmick, it catches
on the rim when the cup is raised!!! I'd use it for a comedy bit, but
I don't want to expose the chop cup concept.
Is there any way to de-magnetize all but the base of the cup?
I'm depressed!
Msg #3572 Dated 18:43:09 05-25-91 3559 <--> 3574
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ZOMBIE....
Correct spelling: Karson.
Msg #3573 Dated 18:43:33 05-25-91 3570 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CLUBS
Not everyone "needs the numbers." Think that one over again.
Msg #3574 Dated 19:40:57 05-25-91 3572 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ZOMBIE....
Thanks.
Msg #3576 Dated 19:49:45 05-25-91 3571 <--> 3580
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Maybe a tape head demagnitizer would work, though I don't have
any experience demagging a chop cup. If you don't have one, we've
got several around here and I could send you an old one. I can see
your biz card now.....flys swatted, peanut butter jellied, chop cups
demagnetized.....
Msg #3578 Dated 21:20:01 05-25-91
From: STEPHEN A SPARKS
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: HOUDINI P
THANKS FOR THE INFO ON THE COLOR OF HOUDINIs EYES - GUESS ALL HAVE FIGURED
OUT THAT THE SUBJECT WAS TO HAVE READ 'HOUDINI PAINTING' AND NOT
'HOUDINI P' - STILL GETTING USE TO THIS SYSTEM. HAVE BEEN ON A
COIN-NET SYSTEM FOR THE PAST 5 YEARS AND THE HABITS OF THAT ONE IS
HARD TO BREAK WHEN USING THIS ONE - ANYWHO - AGAIN MANNY - THANKS
FOR THE INFO SAS
Msg #3579 Dated 21:25:32 05-25-91 -> 3587
From: STEPHEN A SPARKS
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC BOOK CLUB
WHILE I'M AT IT - COULD USE ALITTLE MORE INFO ON AN OUTFIT OUT OF
CONNECTICUT THAT ADV. A BOOK-CLUB. THIS IS OUT OF CHESHIRE, CT.
THEY PLAN TO REPRINT SOME OUT-OF-PRINT MATEREIAL AND HAVE A START
UP MEMBERSHIP FEE OF $15.00 -- ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT NO NAME
IS GIVEN OF WHO IS DOING THIS AND THE ADDRESS GIVEN IS A 'P. O. BOX'
ANYBODY OUT THERE HAVE ANY INFO ON THIS CLUB?? BEING A COLLECTOR
OF BOOKS, MAGAZINES, FILMS, ETC ETC - I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE ALL
IS ON THE UP-N-UP. THANKS SAS
Msg #3580 Dated 21:48:35 05-25-91 3576 <--> 3606
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
I'm willing to try anything, Tab. I'll return it promptly with lab
notes on the results!
How could this have happened?
With apologies to Pete Biro, let me say, "AARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!"
Msg #3582 Dated 22:21:06 05-25-91 -> 3623
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
Enjoyable drift...and if you didn't range a bit afield now and
then I don't think it would be nearly as enjoyable and active a
BBS. Forget the Pro vs Amatuer distinction, it is really the
talented individuals who are capable of success in many areas but
have chosen magic as an endeavor who are the "Pros". Money has
little to do with the current discussions on the board. Such
individuals are not usually single minded but rather are probably
well rounded with multiple interests in other areas than just
magic tricks. For them the magic is a vehicle, not an end in
itself. These are the few that make magic so enjoyable, so
please drift not just a bit, but far and frequently.
I knew something of the Wozniak, Jobs, Crunch story and the
beginnings of the Apple. However, it is very nice to have it
encapsuled by one who actually knew some of the individuals and
to see said message evoke a response from another who also knew
of at least one of them. I know Easywriter well as it was the
first wordprocessing program I learned on my first PC, a Sanyo
MBC 550. (Of course, a CoCo was my first computer complete with
a then tremedous 16K of memory!). I hope you have insurance for
the Lichtman Computer Museum that you are obviously beginning.
It may be more palatable to just stop our developmental
postscript with endoderm and forget the eternal conflict between
brains and brawn....unless you would like to go to the cellular
level and discuss totipotentially.
Msg #3583 Dated 22:22:03 05-25-91 -> 3619
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
I am currently in the process of developing the set up sheets for
the hotel and will FAX or mail 'em to you as soon as I finish
within the week (hopefully). The usual drill on stages in
ballrooms is to try for risers (platforms) from the hotel
(usually 6 x 8 or 4 x 8 and either 4", 6", 8" or 12" high).
Failing that we then usually try the display firm who is doing
the pipe and drape set up for the dealers and try to get the
stage erection as part of the package. The display firm is also
one of the places to look for the traveler curtain, wings, and
draping for the stage. Obie is the guy who is working with the
display firm for the dealers and I am pretty sure he has NOT done
anything with regard to any stage in the Baltimore Ballroom. I
don't know which display firm he is working with. If I talk to
him in the next few days, I will try to find out for you.
Last November the hotel told they had:
16 - 16" to 24" 6x8 risers 8 - 8" 6x8 risers
5 - 24" to 32" 6x8 risers
We also need risers for the three close up rooms and for the
lecturer's platform in the big ballroom. I haven't had a chance
to sit down and work it out, but I think that should be plenty of
risers to do everything we need. For close up we use them to
tier the back rows of chairs. Probably use the 8" risers in
close up since they aren't tall enough to help much in the
ballrooms. I would think that a 12' deep and 16' wide (4 of the
6x8' risers) platform stage with front and side skirting would be
sufficient for the lectures and the business meeting in the
Maryland Ballroom. How does 18' deep and 24' wide (9 6x8 risers)
sound for the Baltimore Ballroom stage? That leaves 8 6x8s to
put on back rows in the close up. You will probably want to use
the 32" high risers for the lecture platform (since there are
only 5 of them) and the 24" ones for the Baltimore Ballroom.
Having a mix of heights isn't such a problem for the close up as
we could use them at 16" or 24". That is off the top of my head
as I type this, so I will need to revisit it, but wanted to get
your dream machine working. We will also need to make sure we
got steps for the stages in both rooms (front steps in both, side
steps behind the curtain on both sides in Baltimore). Front and
side skirting is all we need for the lecture platform. The
Baltimore ballroom stage will need front skirting, some side
skirting and a traveler curtain. Can't remember if there are
ceiling hooks or they will have to pipe it up (hope there are
hooks!). Side and back wall curtains will also be needed. We
will also need pipe and drape wings on each side about 8' high.
Basically, we will "room" off one end of the ballroom so that the
contestants and comedy club acts will have a get ready area on
either side of the stage. I will sketch this out once I get my
program layout and other stuff done this weekend.
Specs on the Baltimore are: 11' ceiling; 48' x 84' (4,046 square
feet); holds 450 theatre style (will be less with stage, I would
guess around 400). I will send you floor plans, etc. in the near
future. Looking at that 48' width now tells me that a 24' wide
stage would leave 12' on either side...not lots of space, huh!
We may have to move forward into the room and give extra room
backstage.
We will rent a travel spot (unless union prevents, we may need to
find an operator), and may need some extra lighting on side poles
and a light bar behind the traveler. We will probably have to go
for brightness rather than sophistication. Unless the comedy
club cast needs a wireless, we will probably go with a stand mike
and a lav if needed. If the extra mike can be used as an off
stage then we might need a third mike. Finally, we will need to
also put a cassette tape player into the system. I have probably
forgotten something important but it is now in my thought
processor as well.
Haven't meet Scott Davis but recall his name from a publication
called Seance awhile back. I look forward to meeting him
particularly now that I also know he is a fine craftsman. Sounds
like your western tour was successful on many counts in spite of
the fact the original business was eliminated. Your Houdini post
card sounds most interesting. Is this the one he wrote home to
his mom when he ran away to join the circus? If so, I have
actually held the original. My old buddy, Leonard Beck, showed
it to me when he was curator of rare books at the LOC. Too bad
Leonard has retired or I could get you into the stacks with the
actual McManus-Young Collection. In fact, I have one of
Houdini's business cards (NOT from the collection!) I will show
you sometime.
Hoaxes are great fun! We have always wanted to dress someone up
in Indian grab at a convention with a small host of retainers and
have him parade around as if he was Socar reincarnated. Of
course he would speak no English but would attract great
attention wherever he went. There are other ideas. You should
read John Ramsay.
I guess you could call your cash C.O.D. (cash of degree) now that
it has been edjecated.
One of the Edge Types
Msg #3584 Dated 22:24:10 05-25-91 -> 3621
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: AMATEURS
Max...
Your analogies are most interesting. The mention of Darwinian
selection and gene pools in relation to magicians conjures up the
concept of mimicry as an advantageous selective factor. I fear
what occurs in nature also happens in magic.
...Bill
Msg #3587 Dated 22:28:33 05-25-91 3579 <--> 3634
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: STEPHEN A SPARKS (X)
Re: MAGIC BOOK CLUB
Do you have any film of Houdini? Perhaps, we could make a trade. I
have over two hours of Houdini film. Most of it has been transferd to
tape.
Msg #3588 Dated 23:17:02 05-25-91 3507 <--> 3589
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
As long as your Uncle is signatory to the Guild agreement and he pays
you and makes the appropriate contibution into Pension Health and
Welfare, yes, that would be sufficient. Har.
Msg #3589 Dated 23:18:46 05-25-91 3533 <--> 3590
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Unions ARE a monopoly that protects the incompetemt (or, to be more
polite and maybe a little more accurate, medocire). But in a free
market the cream didn't rise to the top as much as, historically, the
big employers banded together, formed their own monopoly, and stiffed
everyone else. Unions are a necessary evil, me thinks.
Msg #3590 Dated 23:21:55 05-25-91 3562 <--> 3591
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Me thinks a one-year grace period is WAY too short. I think three
years is closer. Other than that, I agree to the idea in principle.
As long as a situation wasn't created where the working (voting)
writers started creating situations that were disadvantageous for the
over the three year mark unemployed writers. And, to tell you the
truth, I could see that happening
Msg #3591 Dated 23:23:29 05-25-91 3563 <--> 3596
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
The fuss is that the Castle and clubs like it are private clubs, not
professional orgs. Period.
Msg #3592 Dated 23:37:00 05-25-91 -> 3625
From: EVAN KATZ
To: SYSOP
Re: RD...
David--
Hadn't logged on for like, a whole TEN HOURS and there were so many
messages! Please keep us all posted on RDMAGIC when it becomes ready.
--Evan
PS--
The alternative is to put a quota on how many hours each of us is
allowed to stay on the board. We could divide ourselves up into
groups. The most funny and entertaining members of the BBS could get
to stay on the longest. The drab, humorless ones would only get, like,
a minute or two a day. Think about it -- the idea has great
possibilites! We should work on the divisions a lot -- we could get
people typed to the SECOND.
Msg #3594 Dated 0:15:12 05-26-91 -> 3595
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Throwing a kid into the woods with a bowie knife would be better than
most public schools -- safer, too.
Msg #3595 Dated 0:16:05 05-26-91 -> 3600
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
In fact I was an instructor in the Air Force; dunno if that counts...
Msg #3596 Dated 0:18:41 05-26-91 -> 3597
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
You might take a look at the stated aims of the Magic Castle -- and
again, it would only be considered obnoxious by those duffers best
weeded out anyway. And if that sounds harsh -- what do you think
outsiders think of the Castle when some incompetent -- amateur or pro
-- proudly announces he is a member and then proceeds to make sure no
one will ever want to watch magic again after seeing him?
Again I must state these are personal opinions, not statements of
Castle policy by me.
Msg #3597 Dated 0:22:27 05-26-91 -> 3598
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
It'd be interesting to take a vote...
Msg #3598 Dated 0:23:41 05-26-91 3533 <--> 3610
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Cream isn't the only thing that sometimes floats on the surface...
Msg #3599 Dated 0:24:56 05-26-91 -> 3604
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WANTED
OK - it was back on msg 2994. I suggested we start a thread
concerning what makes magic unique as a performing art. I just
entered a message to start the thread - MAGIC UNIQUE ?
.
Maybe we can get a discussion going without getting personalities
involved. A BBS debate should be an unemotional discussion of
viewpoints concerning a specific subject, in that way we can all
learn from each other.
Msg #3600 Dated 0:25:06 05-26-91 3528 <--> 3613
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I know it won't be easy, but the question remains would you consider
becoming involved in the project as a director and/or teacher of
performance technique ? I'm serious about trying to get this off the
ground.
.
By the way Tom Reagan says hello, he's one of my drinking buddies
down in Newport. I was BSing about magic with him last night and
your name came up. He had nothing but good things to say about you
- I'm impressed.
.
The Magical Art Performance Workshop would not TEACH magic, it would
teach PERFORMANCE techniques to people who want to improve their art
All students would already be versed in the technical aspects of
magic maniplulation per se, theis workshop would be concerned with
character development, dialoque, story development, presentation,
etc. i.e. the theatre arts applied specifically to magic performance.
Msg #3601 Dated 0:25:18 05-26-91 3535 <--> 3626
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
I just saw Desert Storm Trading cards - seems like people just
love these cards. Could have a market in the non-magician market as
well.
Msg #3603 Dated 0:25:43 05-26-91 -> 3638
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
What makes magic unique as a performing art ?
.
One thing that comes immediately to mind is that it requires
an intellectual commitment on the part of the audience. If
they audience's attention is not fully focused on what the
magician is doing it makes no sense at all.
.
The actions of the magician lead the mind in one direction
while the 'real' action takes place (hopefully) unnoticed
leading to a conclusion that causes physical reality to
appear to have been violated, i.e. a vanish, appearance,
transposition, etc. or in the case of mentalism the
demonstration of ESP or psychokinesis etc. This is the
technical part of magic. The real art comes in making
people believe you possess magical powers and are not
just doing 'tricks'.
.
Another unique aspect of magic as a performing art is
that it appeals to peoples innate belief in the super-
natural or at least forces that exist that are as yet
unknown or scientifically verifiable.
.
We have all heard Houdin's "A magician is an actor
playing the part of a magician". What does this mean ?
The first use of magician is the performer we see doing
magic, the second use of magician is the TRUE MAGICIAN
able to perform TRUE magic. This means that that the
performing magician is merely an actor trying to make
the audience believe he is a TRUE MAGICIAN. The degree
to which he makes us believe in magic as being real
is the degree to which he becomes a TRUE MAGICIAN.
.
What is TRUE magic ? Do you believe in unknown forces
and supernatural powers that can be summoned to do
your bidding ? If YOU don't, then how can you expect
your audience to ? If you aren't displaying a
manifestation of TRUE magic, then what are you doing,
parlour tricks, kid stuff - ho-hum, boring.
.
I quote from Burger's latest book 'Strange Ceremonies'
on pg 27 he quotes from the first issue of Invocation
(July,1974), where Charles Cameron wrote : "The silks
from a box man rants and raves about the ethics of
claiming supernatural powers and insists that the public
should be protected from these charlatans and psychic
imposters. Rubbish and triple balderdash! Either he is
working MAGIC or he is presenting mechanical or
manipulative mumbo jumbo - he cannot have it both ways!
The usual argument is that the spectator should believe
in the magician's powers during his act (akin to empathy
while watching a film) but regain reality at the
conclusion of the performnace. Stuff and fadding nonsense!
Either you are a magician WITH magical powers or you
are not. It is as basic as that.
.
Cameron is pointing out one of the basic problems with
magic. We aren't claiming to be doing REAL magic, just
providing the illusion that what we are doing is real.
Unless we can do that in a theatrically pleasing way, it
just doesn't work. We are perceived as just overgrown
kids playing or pretending to be something we aren't.
.
Editor, Tony Raven of Invocation asks: "Where do you
fit ? Either one performs magic, i.e. the art which
claims or is believed to produce effects by the
assistance of supernatural beings or by a mastery of
the secret forces of nature. Or one is a Juggler, i.e.
one who entertains people by tricks of illusion,
especially sleight of hand."
.
Where do you fit - Magician or Juggler ?
Msg #3604 Dated 0:26:02 05-26-91 -> 3637
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WANTED
My remarks have never been intended to alienate amateurs in any way;
sorry if you have interpreted them that way. My remarks HAVE been
intended to alienate incompetent boobs who think the possession of a
few tricks has magically transmuted them into magicians, and who
present themselves as such. Let them go build model airplanes-- or
collect stamps -- or-- or -- become mimes!!! No, no, maybe I am going
too far...
Msg #3605 Dated 0:33:46 05-26-91 3554 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Not as long as magicians -- and their organizations -- think
socializing is more important than the art they claim to love.
Msg #3606 Dated 0:36:08 05-26-91 3571 <--> 3618
From: T A WATERS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
In some cases items can be locally demagnetized by tapping them with a
hammer -- dunno if I would recommend that here. Wonder if a tape or
tapehead demagnetizer would have any effect?
Msg #3607 Dated 0:47:06 05-26-91
From: VINCENT HANCOCK
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LONG TIME
Thanks.
Msg #3610 Dated 1:34:44 05-26-91 3543 <--> 3636
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Hopefully, we will only go 'round and 'round on this as it pertains to
magic and magicians.
Msg #3612 Dated 1:39:02 05-26-91 3541 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HAR!
Quit it, Tabman! These literature searches cost a bundle!
Msg #3613 Dated 1:39:56 05-26-91 3544 <--> 3614
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
I can relate to it, Wayne. One of my acquaintances used to be the
Jolly Green Giant.
Msg #3614 Dated 1:41:31 05-26-91 3594 <--> 3615
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
An interesting curriculum concept, T A. Don't know if it would fit the
individual for contemporary urban life. Also don't know if it provides
appropriate training in the magical arts.
Msg #3615 Dated 1:42:57 05-26-91 3595 <--> 3635
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Depends. If you were trained in the Air Force's ISD approach it would
count plenty. The military has developed some very sophisticated
methods for skill training. Much of magic instruction is skill
oriented and would probably benefit from the approach.
Msg #3617 Dated 2:01:49 05-26-91 3564 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SO...WHEN???
See what you can find out. It has DEFINITELY been there too long.
Msg #3618 Dated 2:05:40 05-26-91 3606 <--> 3639
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
A tape head demagnitizer would probably be too small and weak. But a
serious commercial bulk tape demagnitizer would probably work just
fine. Do NOT, however, bring such a device within TWENTY FIVE FEET of
your computer, diskettes, etc.
Msg #3619 Dated 1:58:52 05-26-91 3583 <--> 3642
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
Which Houdini business card do you have? I have several examples in
my collection. I also have cards from other magicians of the past.
Msg #3621 Dated 2:11:21 05-26-91 3584 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: AMATEURS
Unfortunately, your extension of the idea seems to be true.
Msg #3623 Dated 2:17:27 05-26-91 3582 <--> 3909
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
A Co-Co was my first personal computer - I still have several of them
around here in the Museum area. Used EasyWriter for many years - even
would find ways to decrease memory to keep it running (it goes bananas
in 640K and larger environments).
Totipotentiality is interesting, especially in light of some of the
latest finds at the genetic level. Will have to discuss it over lunch
sometime.
Msg #3625 Dated 2:26:31 05-26-91 3592 <--> 3640
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: RD...
A brilliant suggestion, Evan! I think, however, that in all fairness
we should automate the concept and let the system decide. Also, we
could have buttons made with the individual's time limit prominently
displayed. That way, at MAGIC! luncheons, it would be easy to
instantly determine the net value of engaging in conversation with
anyone.
Msg #3626 Dated 2:30:48 05-26-91 3601 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC TRADING CARDS
Yes, I certainly think that there is a non-magic, collectors
marketplace. One thing the article did mention though is that there
are not many outlets for non-sports cards.
Msg #3629 Dated 2:38:10 05-26-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SKULLS & BONES
If you have been looking for realistic skulls and bones, either for use
in your act or as magical bookends, a new shop in Los Angeles may have
the answer for you.
The new store, Necromance, is located on Melrose Avenue (a "trendy"
shopping area, for those outside of Los Angeles) and it sells REAL
human skulls and bones as well as animal bones. The shop's owner
claims to have obtained the skulls and human bones from medical
colleges that have gone out of business. She says that she has no long
term source of supply on the human items, so they appear to be a
"limited time offer." (My personal suspicion is that the time will be
even more limited once the D.A. knows, but I also assume that she may
have some legal right that she clearly established prior to opening).
In addition to skulls, the shop sells jewelry made from bones. It was
reported that earings made from human finger bones go for $5 (I don't
know if that is each or by the pair - I presume each). Skulls are
around $500.
Necromance is located at 6107 Melrose Ave. The phone number is (213)
461-4617. I don't know if they do mail order, nor do I know if they
take Visa or MasterCard.
Msg #3634 Dated 8:29:42 05-26-91 3579 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEPHEN A SPARKS (X)
Re: MAGIC BOOK CLUB
Stephen, turn off your CAPS KEY please.
Msg #3635 Dated 8:29:46 05-26-91 3594 <--> 3645
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Safer for whom?
Msg #3636 Dated 8:29:49 05-26-91 3596 <--> 3644
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
When visiting a friend last year in Santa Monica, I asked him if
he wanted to go to the Castle one night to see some magic. He said
that the Castle was kid stuff (he'd been) and he had seen a "real"
magician at a party. He said the guy took his (my friend's) ring and
made it dissapear and reappear on his (the magic's) key ring. What
can you say? Aruuuugggggh???
Msg #3637 Dated 8:29:57 05-26-91 3599 <--> 3657
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WANTED
I am wondering if the intellect would be as happy if it were
unbound by the emotions.
Msg #3638 Dated 8:30:01 05-26-91 3603 <--> 3742
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
What do you call a magician who goes for the throat?
Msg #3639 Dated 8:30:05 05-26-91 3618 <--> 3641
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
I suggested a tape head demagnitizer since it is weak and localized.
With the THD you can draw off tiny bits of magnetism at a time. With
the bulk eraser being of a broader band it might (though it is
speculation) have an adverse effect on the gimmik. Richard hart can
probably shed some light on this too as he's demagged a ton of tape
heads too.
Msg #3640 Dated 8:30:12 05-26-91 3625 <--> 3643
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RD...
There is an old addage..."the less sed the better"; and assuming this
is a truism, then the less time on the system would denote those more
likely to provide enlightenment.
Msg #3641 Dated 8:30:17 05-26-91 3580 <--> 3650
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Gimme yo mail address and I'll dend out Tuesday. Keep it since we've
got several in the junk box in the studio shop.
Msg #3642 Dated 8:30:22 05-26-91 3583 <--> 3905
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
OK, will be lurking near the fax machine for the next week. I figure
a 4 can tree on each side of the stage with a spot. Glad to hear that
the hotel has risers. Why not go for the stage size called for but
turn it so it is deep and put the backstage area backstage?? Yeah,
S.Davis is cool. One more issue of SEANCE and it's history. I have to
drive to the Eastern Shore today (DRRRAAAAATTTTT!) to go to a record
release party that was postponed til I got back to this coast. I was
hoping I had missed it, but now have to cross the Bay Bridge on
Memorial Day weekend. (Double DRRAATTT!!) I can't figure out if Catch
22 like me or hates me!!!
Msg #3643 Dated 8:30:32 05-26-91 3592 <--> 3651
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: RD...
RDMAGIC! is usable right now. I keep promising to put an easy to
use set of instructions for it. Am waiting for the updated version
with wordwrap to come in and then we'll ROCK. I have been using Ver
5.17.1 all week and it is super. Burton The Bizarre!!!
Msg #3644 Dated 9:41:20 05-26-91 3590 <--> 3666
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
It`s all fine-tuning.
Msg #3645 Dated 9:45:32 05-26-91 3600 <--> 3704
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
The idea is of interest to me, Jerry. Realities that eventually come
into being are often very different from the ideas they've sprung from.
With that in mind and my ever fluctuating schedule, I obviously could
not commit to a major project in the conceptual stages.
Please give Tom Reagan a "hello" back from me.
Msg #3650 Dated 10:25:24 05-26-91 3639 <--> 3669
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Your right - it would be best to try a head demagnitizer first. I left
my message around 3 a.m. after returning from the Castle and sorta
forgot about the gimmick.
Msg #3651 Dated 10:27:16 05-26-91 3640 <--> 3655
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RD...
Then if I cut everyone's time to a minute a day we should be brilliant?
Msg #3655 Dated 11:37:19 05-26-91 3592 <--> 3658
From: JIM SISTI
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: RD...
Nice idea, Evan. . .but we'll miss you!
Msg #3657 Dated 13:11:13 05-26-91 3604 <--> 3660
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WANTED
Since even incompetent boobs don't wTHINK they're incompetent boobs,
remarks along these lines are just plain alienating to many.
Msg #3658 Dated 13:12:33 05-26-91 3655 <--> 3671
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: RD...
Jim--
Stay right there. I'm having a proctologist rush over to your house
right away.
Msg #3660 Dated 13:33:33 05-26-91 3657 <--> 3675
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WANTED
Ohhhhh, Evan!
Okay...
How's this?
"Gee, those Chinese Sticks from MAK that you spent all of five minutes
working with really had me mystified! Wow! I didn't notice that the
case you took the deck out of said 'TV Magic Cards.' You really had me
that time!"
I can't go through life worried about who I'm alienating by simply
being honest and maintaining my own integrity! Sure, it's good to be
sensitive to others and I consider myself to be so. In this, as in all
things, the limit must be drawn when, in the name of sensitivity, one
is forced to endure the erosion of essence and principle.
Even with a such a brazen attitude, some people actually manage to like me.
Others think I'm an arrogant, insensitive elitist. To those folks in
the latter group, I say that perhaps God didn't intend for us to spend
much time together this life.
It's all okay.
Msg #3661 Dated 15:48:46 05-26-91 3526 <--> 3663
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
Tabman:
I will send out procomm plus right away...
Msg #3662 Dated 15:50:02 05-26-91 3527 <-
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RAY MERTZ
possibly..... I don't know if he has remote access or not...
Msg #3665 Dated 16:02:15 05-26-91 -> 3672
From: JOHN JOLLY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Jerry,
I've been using RDMAGIC for a few weeks now and I'm Flustrared!
Here's what I wanna' do:
Pick up the first thread, starting at say 2500.
Read it through to the end.
Pick up the next thread, say starting at 2501.
Read it through to the end.
Etc.
Right now, I can read the threads but when it reaches the end, it goes
to
the message FOLLOWING the last read and picks up a new thread from
there.
Am I doin' sumthin' wrong??
Also, how about a pick list of subject lines (threads) possibly with a
flag to
tell if its been read or not.
(Shoot, I'm on a roll, now.....)
How about a GOTO Message # key (I know you can do a FIND on the #, but
hey!)
How about an escape on blank field on the filename entry screens (F10)
Keep up the great work, man, Toll charges from Broken Arrow are a
bitch.
thanks, if 'ya wanta' beta, drop me a line.
jj
......................!poof!
Msg #3666 Dated 16:14:04 05-26-91 3610 <--> 3688
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Fine. Your original comment about unions was quite generic, though.
Msg #3669 Dated 17:11:14 05-26-91 3639 <--> 3670
From: RICHARD HART
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
First of all, I'm wondering what Wayne's chop cup is made of. I
thought that most cups were made of aluminum. Steel wouldn't work
because the ball gimmick would stick to the sides so therefore either
copper or aluminum is chosen for manufacture.
If, on the other hand, the cup IS of aluminum, and is holding a
magnetic charge, I will be very impressed.
I doubt whether it would be safe to use a commercial bulk degausser.
The fields generated would also demagnetize the magnet in the base of
the cup. I would try a tape head degausser first. But remember, to
use it properly, make sure it is at least 3 feet from the cup when you
turn it on, then s l o w l y bring it to the rim of the cup. Pass it
(again, slowly!) around the rim, keeping as far from the base of the
cup as possible, then slowly withdraw it to 3 feet away before turning
it off.
Msg #3670 Dated 17:16:51 05-26-91 3650 <--> 3678
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
You guys are lucky to have the Castle at your doorstep!!
Msg #3671 Dated 17:16:55 05-26-91 3651 <--> 3676
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RD...
IMP is a step in that direction.
Msg #3672 Dated 17:16:58 05-26-91 3665 <--> 3743
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JOHN JOLLY (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Another RDM user....great!
Msg #3675 Dated 17:51:28 05-26-91 3660 <--> 3680
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WANTED
Wayne--
A) The message you are replying to was not addressed to you. It was
addressed to T A.
B) I was replying to specific comments T A made. They were not an
attack on T A because to him they were said in context. Reading
them out of context, as you seem to be doing, probably makes them
sound different.
C) Attacking amateurs for the decline of our art is hardly a matter of
integrity on anyone's part. Or honesty. It's a matter of opinion.
D) We all love you very much, Wayne.
Msg #3676 Dated 18:41:59 05-26-91 3625 <--> 3685
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RD...
I'm not at all sure that this is worth continuing, but here goes: the
point is that, despite your joke about "instantly determin[ing] the net
value of engaging in conversation with anyone," that is _precisely_
what most people do in life. At least, I certainly do, and with good
reason. Mind you, such determinations are not necessarily made
"instantly" -- but they don't always take a lengthy time.
If, instead of using terms like "elitism" we move on to terms such as
"meritocracy," perhaps this will make more sense.
Msg #3678 Dated 18:55:23 05-26-91 3669 <--> 3681
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Many thanks, Richard. Your suggestions are much appreciated! I'll let
you know how it works out. The cup should be aluminum...but it's
heavily chromed and maybe there`s some steel in the chrome? I
dunno...it's not my area of expertise! I do know that the ball is
indeed sticking to the rim!
Msg #3680 Dated 19:01:07 05-26-91 3675 <--> 3709
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WANTED
Evan---
.
A) The message was a public one.
.
B) If you don't want comment from others, I would suggest you post
messages privately, although that seems a bit elitist to me.
.
C) I'm not ATTACKING anyone.
.
D) My honesty and integrity demand that I express my opinions and act
on my beliefs.
.
E) I'm glad you love me, Evan...but I'm sure there are others who wish
you wouldn't so cavalierly commit their emotional ties.
.
F) We've got to stop meeting like this.
.
G) I have nothing further to say but I did want to have a "G" in this
list.
.
'Wayne.
Msg #3681 Dated 19:13:05 05-26-91 3669 <--> 3691
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
I'm sending Wayne a tape head degausser on Tuesday. I sent him
like instructions and would imagine he'll make not of these also. I
wonder about the mag qualities of the cup myself. An alnico maggie,
I doubt it, but at least we'll find out what demagging a chop cup
rim is like, by proxy anyway. Cheers!!
Msg #3682 Dated 19:35:08 05-26-91 -> 3683
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
I'll remember that. I try to put myself into all my work.
Msg #3683 Dated 19:37:41 05-26-91 -> 3684
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
It seems we need a juggler's club (maybe group would be a better word)
in the East Bay. I've met enough jugglers, i'm suprised they aren't
organized.
Msg #3684 Dated 19:39:12 05-26-91 -> 3699
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Speaking of specials, I just caught Micheal Finney on A&E last night.
He was on "Comedy on the Road" with host Dave Stewart of the A's. He
did his rope routine (which seems to be where David Copperfield got
his) and his sponge ball bit. Only on cable could he get away with a
rope routine like he did! Yikes!
Msg #3685 Dated 20:14:56 05-26-91 3671 <--> 3686
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RD...
Like the magi of old, IMP will act as a dutiful assistant, it will not
provide the brilliance. However, I do believe you are right - Once IMP
(Interactive MAGIC! Program) is truly launched, it will dramatically
reduce peoples on-line time and will facilitate dialog. Here's to IMP!
Msg #3686 Dated 20:17:02 05-26-91 3676 <--> 3690
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: RD...
Actually, I wasn't having trouble with the term elitism. Perhaps some
others were, and, if so, the substitution of meritocracy might help.
Of course, you are right. The average "assessment time" for initial
opinions about people, when meeting them in person, is generally
considered to be somewhere under seven seconds. It is equally true,
however, that there is a very high level of misjudgement that typically
occurs. A lot of studies concerning this have been done.
Msg #3688 Dated 20:36:12 05-26-91 3666 <--> 3703
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Yes, it was. I'm afraid it was a brief outburst of personal politics,
similar to a solar flare.
Msg #3690 Dated 20:38:35 05-26-91 3685 <--> 3692
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RD...
I hope to have a Procomm-IMP batch package together by the time you
get here. Anybody that wants to get hooked up with what I've learned
about Jerry's RDM! package lemme know in a coupla weeks. I'm backed
up on other stuff right now, but always have time for MAGIC!
Msg #3691 Dated 20:39:21 05-26-91 3670 <--> 3694
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Admittedly! However, it is only dinner and a movie from your side of
Los Angeles.
Msg #3692 Dated 20:42:28 05-26-91 3690 <--> 3702
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RD...
Super! Will look forward to seeing it running fully coupled. Not long
'til arrival. Have been thinking of bringing "Super Pig" with me, but
Wayne says he doesn't want to cut it down, and I'm not sure it is
airline approved as a carry-on.
Msg #3693 Dated 21:07:07 05-26-91 3551 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FLOURISHES
The following message was entered by Harrison Carroll. The original
was garbled, perhaps through the use of a non-ASCII word processor.
I have eliminated the characters that were causing the problems.
The material in square brackets [ ] was added. The message, which
may originally have had individual paragraphs, was condensed to
one.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Msg #3674-13 MAGIC! Dated 17:24:30 05-26-91 3551 <-
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FLOURISHES
[The qu]estion concerning flourishes is most interesting. The way
I see it, it all depends several factors, one of which is the
performing character we are trying to present to the audience.
Once we determine who we are as a performer we can address the
question of flourishes. Also, a person doing gambling exposes may
want to do a lot of flourishes to further communicate his skill,
with the hope they will enhance the audiences' opinion that he is
an expert. On the other hand, someone who wants the audience to
see what he does as magic may not want to do so many flourishes.
The important point may be that we don't send conflicting messages
to the audience. If we maintain continuity in our communication
by presenting a certain persona creating a specific series of
events, then the addition of the flourish will either fit or not,
based on whatever it is we are putting out there. Am I making
sense? You mentioned the Ambitious Card. Don't you find the
effect playing much stronger by eliminating the flourish? It
seems to me that the strength of this effect would be greatly
diminished by sticking a flourish in. What we are saying to the
audience is "Look, I put this card in the middle of the deck and
it somehow impossibly comes to the top". They should have no
explanation. But by adding a flourish I would think we are giving
them a place to explain the effect away. In addition, we are
asking their minds to go into two different directions. Anyway,
I'm a believer in establishing one's performing character first.
Then whatever doesn't fit into that character, or is in contrast
to it, is not used. Even if it is good. The same applies to
effects. Certain effects may be great, but not in harmony with
the character. I'd like to hear more of what you think.
------------------------------------------------------------------
End of reconstructed message.
Msg #3694 Dated 22:16:38 05-26-91 3669 <--> 3695
From: EVAN KATZ
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
You're right -- why would anyone make a Chop Cup out of magnetic
material?
Msg #3695 Dated 22:41:20 05-26-91 3694 <--> 3697
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Perhaps Wayne inadvertently transmuted it?
Msg #3697 Dated 23:29:41 05-26-91 3678 <--> 3698
From: RICHARD HART
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Hmm. You know, maybe there's a steel ring around the rim to give it
shape. Dunno without looking at the cup. But anyway, give it a shot
with the degausser and see what that does for you. Remember, S L O W
L Yf you don't, you stand a good chance of further MAGNETIZING
the rim!)
Msg #3698 Dated 23:32:12 05-26-91 3694 <--> 3701
From: RICHARD HART
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Hmmm, Evan, maybe we're on to sumtin here. Make a chop cup out of a PK
gimmick, and use NON-MAGNETIC balls! Will fool those in the know.
(all manufacturing rights reserved)
Msg #3699 Dated 23:33:38 05-26-91 3682 <--> 3708
From: RICHARD HART
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
I tried to put "myself" into my work. Do you know how damned difficult
it is to get out of an Okito box with the lid on?
Msg #3700 Dated 23:38:09 05-26-91 -> 3727
From: RICHARD HART
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OUT OF THE BLUE
Took a co-worker and his family to the Castle tonight. I was standing
outside the Palace talking to Jerry Andrus about optical illusions and
eyeing a red-head whose dress musta been sprayed on, when out of the
blue, I look up and there standing in front of me is Ronnie Berg. I
haven't seen Ronnie in, oh, about 18 years. He reached into his wallet
and extracted a Castle membership card, R-103, I think it was. A
lifetime membership card presented to Joe. I got to hold it. Brought
back all those memories again. I'm sitting here looking at the
Crabb-framed check right now, and just wanted to again let you know how
happy I am with it.
And I don't care if I can't do the pass or not, goldurnit, I love
magic!
Msg #3701 Dated 23:51:10 05-26-91 3697 <--> 3712
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
The heading of this thread is sure appropriate!
Msg #3702 Dated 23:53:47 05-26-91 3692 <--> 3706
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RD...
There must be a law prohibiting the transport of garbage across state
lines!
Msg #3703 Dated 23:54:59 05-26-91 3688 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY LIFE AND TIMES
Glad I had on my Ultra Infra-Red Kryptonite specs when I read it!
Msg #3704 Dated 0:05:34 05-27-91 3614 <--> 3705
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Oh, I dunno -- there's more magic in the natural world than the
unnatural (read "civilized") one.
Msg #3705 Dated 0:06:49 05-27-91 3635 <--> 3707
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
For the kid; with only a Bowie knife, he or she would be seriously
underweaponed in a lot of urban schools. In the woods, he or she
would only have to worry about the stray hunter (if that's not a
redundancy).
Msg #3706 Dated 0:08:09 05-27-91 3702 <--> 3729
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: RD...
It isn't garbage! It is junk. I think it could be considered a hazard
of some sort - emotional, aesthetic and intellectual.
Msg #3707 Dated 0:09:20 05-27-91 3704 <--> 3710
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Yes, but the phrase "make a buck" has a whole different meaning.
Msg #3708 Dated 0:10:53 05-27-91 3684 <--> 3744
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Finney's routine is not the source of Copperfield's. The starting point
on the DC routine was Mac King's adaptation of Shigeo Takagi's version,
which Copperfield developed with input from Mike Caveney, using an
approach which was influenced by Whit Haydn's linking ring routine.
Msg #3709 Dated 0:13:03 05-27-91 3657 <--> 3713
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WANTED
But -- if they're incompetent boobs -- who cares?
Msg #3710 Dated 0:18:01 05-27-91 3707 <--> 3740
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Only if you have the doe.
Msg #3711 Dated 0:20:15 05-27-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-27
The twenty-seventh set of MAGIC! messages - #3000 (May 21, 1991)
to #3499 (May 25, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-27.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the twenty-
seventh volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-27.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #3712 Dated 1:10:41 05-27-91 3695 <--> 3719
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
That would make Wayne a preeeety great magician!
Msg #3713 Dated 1:13:53 05-27-91 3709 <--> 3741
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WANTED
I do. Many of us fear, deep down that we are really incompetent boobs.
Not just in regard to magic. This makes us want to stick up for the
rights of incompetent boobs everywhere, just in case our fears might be
correct.
Msg #3714 Dated 1:15:00 05-27-91
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SORRY...
Jerry--
Haven't made much headway with the "unique" discussion yet, sorry.
There's a lot of ground to cover, and I haven't had the chance yet to
plot out my thoughts -- as opposed to winging it at the k-board, which
is how I normally contribute. Or is that obvious?
Msg #3715 Dated 1:17:25 05-27-91 -> 3716
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: ?
Why did the amateur magician cross the road?
Msg #3716 Dated 1:19:12 05-27-91 3715 <--> 3737
From: RICHARD HART
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ?
Dunno, Evan, why did the amateur magician cross the road?
Msg #3719 Dated 2:03:24 05-27-91 3712 <--> 3726
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
If it was inadvertent, it would make Wayne a preeeety great, but
slightly inept, magician!
Msg #3722 Dated 2:11:35 05-27-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-NL FILE
After several tries over several weeks, and after switching
communications programs, I have finally been successful in downloading
the first set of messages from MAGIC-NL in the Netherlands.
This first file, containing the first 500 messages on MAGIC-NL, covers
the period February 1, 1991 to April 8th. About 50% of it is in Dutch,
but there are some interesting messages in it in English as well.
In order to conserve space, I've made it available as a Zip
(compressed) file. If someone cannot make use of the zip and wants the
file, let me know and I'll post it as a text file as well. But be
forewarned! It is a 100K Zip and a 300K text file!
The file is downloadable here on MAGIC! as MAGNL-01.ZIP
Congratulations to MAGIC-NL and Arnaud on reaching this milestone in
only 4 months. The first 500 messages on MAGIC! took five months!
Msg #3724 Dated 5:34:06 05-27-91 -> 3754
From: RANDY LUND
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Max, a question or two for you on the subject.
.
I agree with you that bad magicians give magic a bad name. I too have
heard the negative comments about l magicians made as a result of a
poor performance. But these comments come from peple who will go to a
junior high band recital and not think music is bad because only noise
comes from the stage and they do not stop stop going to or liking
m-vies because they seen a bad one etc. etc. etc.
.
So, my question is...what makes magic different to a layman whose prime
goal is entertainment, not secrets etc. ( The guy who made the comment
has no more interest in picking up a musical instrument than the man in
the moon and less about learning magicians secrets)
.
Randy
Msg #3726 Dated 10:27:04 05-27-91 3697 <--> 3728
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
I imagine it is the chromium picking up the magnetic energy. I would
imagine a more subtle approach would be to use alnico in a steel or
wood or leather cup with aluminum rods in the balls. Of course, then
a standard degausser probably wooden work. Who cares, though; right?
Msg #3727 Dated 10:27:11 05-27-91 3700 <--> 3739
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: OUT OF THE BLUE
Sorry I missed the confab with Jerry Andrus and Ronnie Berg. Am glad
you still like the framed Bamberg check. Did you ever figure out
who the actual donor of the check itself was? His gift to MAGIC!
actually inspired the auction and the Thayer type framing of same.
I did tell you that the check is mounted acid free, etc and isn't
attached to the matt in any way, but held in a bill sleeve which is
mounted to the matt.
Msg #3728 Dated 10:27:19 05-27-91 3691 <--> 3730
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
That's true, and if we still had the King Air it wouldn't be that
biga deal. However, my last royalty check was for less than 12 bux
and I'm starting over. Anyway, you know the story and why I dropped
out of the snake race so guess you can appreciate where I'm coming
from. We're in limbo right now and I can't get as low as I used to.
Msg #3729 Dated 10:27:25 05-27-91 3692 <--> 3750
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RD...
Maybe the new wave beast isn't appropriate in front of the Magic
Castle, but it would do wonders for my reputation if I installed it
just inside my front gate. I would install motion sensors on the
road and have laser lights beam from the eyes whenever cars, tractors
Amish wagons, etc passed at night. Maybe have a clap of thunder and
the high pitched scream of an angry boar every tenth car. I hope some
body will remember to take a photo for me of it as it stands, I know
that I forgot while I was there (didn't bring a camera).
Msg #3730 Dated 10:27:34 05-27-91 3695 <--> 3731
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
I've been working on Napoleon Hill's theory of transmuted sexual
energy for eight years. I'm getting closer and when in effect it
is quite powerful.
Msg #3731 Dated 11:11:23 05-27-91 3695 <--> 3732
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
I think one of my boys transmogrified it!
Msg #3732 Dated 11:40:11 05-27-91 3731 <--> 3747
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Buy a new one! Harrrrggggghhhhhhh.....
Msg #3733 Dated 11:40:32 05-27-91 -> 3751
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: INDY 500,000
500,000 folks showed up to view the Indy race... hot humid and lots of
real magic. I is packing up after 3 weeks in one hotel room. Looks like
a bomb went off in it.... Harrrrgggghhhhhhh.....
Just downloaded over a hunert messages... cheeeez.... couldn't take the
time do be ONLINE and reply.... but.... home Tuesday.
Msg #3734 Dated 11:42:03 05-27-91 -> 3752
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: ILLIGITUMS
Illigitimus non carburundum.... isn't that the credo of E Clampus
Vitus? Who's leader (at one time) was, Richard "Donkey Dick" Keefer?
You know the roots, Gold Country miner group (wore red shirts to
signify Blood of Dead Miners) and supported widows and orphans of those
killed diggin' the gold....
Msg #3735 Dated 11:44:15 05-27-91 -> 3768
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: LECTURE
Steve... I thought you had the message as to locale. It was at 18th and
Capital (Hospital meeting room) and a regular IBM and or SAM lecture?
I really don't know... Sonny just sent me a letter to be there and said
she mailed notices to all in the country.... hmmmm.....
The Electric (or strung) Deck was just a NEW way to PRESENT the gag.
Totally new and much more funny for today's hip crowd! (WHO AM I
KIDDING?) Harrrrggghhhhhh.....
Will I miss the Indy Humidity when I hit the leftcoast... I dunno....
Solong 'til 92.....
Msg #3737 Dated 13:03:20 05-27-91 3716 <--> 3756
From: EVAN KATZ
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: ?
Because the pro kicked him off the sidewalk?
Msg #3739 Dated 13:32:10 05-27-91 3727 <--> 3764
From: RICHARD HART
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OUT OF THE BLUE
Believe me, I've been racking my brain trying to figure out who, but
other than a few wild guesses, I've not been able to tie anything
concrete to the "clue"...
Msg #3740 Dated 13:40:07 05-27-91 3645 <--> 3758
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
All I'm looking for right now is interest. I'll try to flesh out
the concept and when it gets closer I'll be looking for more of
a commitment. At that time you will be able to determine what level
of involvment you may wish to have.
.
Concerning Tom - wiil do, probably see him tomorrow on the bike
ride down the peninsula.
Msg #3741 Dated 13:40:16 05-27-91 3637 <--> 3770
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WANTED
Perhaps not, but the discussion may focus more on the issues than
getting into side issues that are bound-up in the personalities
involved.
.
There is so much to be gained it seems a waste of everyones time
to digress into some of these side issues.
Msg #3742 Dated 13:40:25 05-27-91 3638 <--> 3771
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
A magi-pire ?
Msg #3743 Dated 13:40:31 05-27-91 3665 <--> 3745
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JOHN JOLLY (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
You have an earlier version. The current version lets you walk a
thread (say starting at 2500) and when you finally hit the enter key
you are taken back to 2500, to go to the next message just hit enter.
.
As you read threads those messages that are read are saved in an
array so that as you step through sequentially they will be skipped
(since you have already read them in a thread). Having a GOTO would
be easy to add, you enter a G and a window would pop-up asking for
the message number. The program keeps track of a home msg position
so that when you finish reading a thread it goes back to the home
position. The GOTO could be used to move this base position as well.
.
ESC in the F10 function has been implemented.
.
I know what you mean by toll charges, I'm only about 40 miles from
the BBS and I spent a fortune the 1st month - that was one of the
primary motivations behind RDMAGIC (AKA IMP!).
Msg #3744 Dated 13:41:06 05-27-91 3708 <--> 3755
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
I had been watching the Tagagi tape just the same week that DC's
special was on and it looked almost identical (the adaptation's you
mention weren't that obvious, perhaps just makes the handling easier)
.
I noticed there was no credit given to Takagi at the end of the
special - the routine looks almost identical, why no credit ?
Msg #3745 Dated 13:50:43 05-27-91 3743 <--> 3772
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
When I get home got to check into your program... my bills are coo coo.
Especially from Indiana.... Haaaarrrrggghhheee
Msg #3747 Dated 15:26:29 05-27-91 3728 <--> 3748
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
OK, then we'll ship the Castle over to you! Actually, with IBM coming
to your side of town, you shouldn't be pining too bad. Besides, Pete
and Bill and I will be there soon to cheer you up. Looking forward to
the Hotel de Carlo.
Msg #3748 Dated 15:28:45 05-27-91 3730 <--> 3749
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Transmuted sexual energy, hmmmm... I tried that too, but my mascara
ran when I cried.
Msg #3749 Dated 15:30:00 05-27-91 3731 <--> 3757
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
That's absolutely transnatural, Wayne!
Msg #3750 Dated 15:31:25 05-27-91 3729 <--> 3787
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RD...
We've decided that we have a better idea. We're sending you Michael,
the artist. We figure a fitting punishment for him will be to have HIM
stand just inside your front gate, spitting water and making thunder
claps and high pitched screams.
Msg #3751 Dated 15:32:48 05-27-91 3733 <--> 3759
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INDY 500,000
Glad to have you back in sudden California, Pete. The state ain't been
the same without you.
Msg #3752 Dated 15:33:39 05-27-91 3734 <--> 3760
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ILLIGITUMS
You're pretty darn close, Pete. Almost right on the money.
Msg #3754 Dated 17:16:06 05-27-91 3724 <--> 3762
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
At least part of the reason has to do with the fact that in the case of
music people are exposed to a wide variety of styles and qualities all
the time. Thus, encountering a dreadful music performance is something
that immediately has a context.
Magic, on the other hand, has far less general exposure. The average
person does not encounter it often. So, when they come upon a bad
magician they have no context to assess it within.
Msg #3755 Dated 17:20:15 05-27-91 3744 <--> 3784
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
I can't speak for David Copperfield, but I would assume that a credit
to Takagi would have appeared if he'd thought of it -- probably fell
through the cracks, as it were.
Msg #3756 Dated 17:59:54 05-27-91 3715 <--> 3769
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ?
He wanted to get his cape on!
Msg #3757 Dated 18:22:44 05-27-91 3732 <--> 3766
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Just remember the famous quote:
.
"Laughter at the misfortune of others is the lowest form of comedy."
---Wayne "Banana Peel" Powers
Msg #3758 Dated 18:26:04 05-27-91 3740 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Thanks.
Msg #3759 Dated 18:30:21 05-27-91 3751 <--> 3774
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: INDY 500,000
I ain't back yet... 6 am tues I hit the airplane and fly, fly, fly...
Tues nite I is between mine own sheets (unless the house has burned
down).
Met the Right Stuff, Gen. Chuck Yaeger today! Greaat dude... dued...
Msg #3760 Dated 18:31:37 05-27-91 3752 <--> 3775
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ILLIGITUMS
How much Money?
Msg #3762 Dated 18:32:50 05-27-91 3754 <--> 3783
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
How many magicians can get a crowd to start tapping their feet?
Msg #3763 Dated 18:33:38 05-27-91 -> 3777
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: STUFF OF ALL KINDS
Time saver message! Am going coo coo here packing after three
weeks in my cell here at the Indy 500... "The Center of the
Universe"... and have only been able to SKIM the messages and the
phone bill here is going to be higher than sky high... so will
send this SINGLE "one size fits all" message...
Specially since my time will be soon limited to milliseconds
based on the badge number I am likely to recieve...
Arrrrgggghhhhh, or Hargggghhhhh (C) P. Bireaux Ent's., Unlimited,
etc. et al, (SIC)!
Oh god, a DOLLYWOOD COMMERCIAL just flashed on my Hoosier TV
screen. YARGH!
Wayne, are you BudMan Lite, Dry or less Filling? More taste?
Any "Competant Boobs" out there? I saw some really competant
Boobs at the Speedway, took some pix o' 'em! They come in pairs.
Yaaarrrrggggghhhhh!
Vanvranken... you shud get Max the Maven to incorporate some Mojo
into any trading cards that become created. Secret messages? Wha?
David me Bucko.... I need some Sheep ANKLE BONES (the first craps
games were played with 'em)....
For El Tab... What is the difference between an Onion and an
Accordian? I have never seen anyone CRY when you chop up an
Accordian! YO!
'Twas I that suggested doing Karson's Zombie SANS cloth. Try it
and see what you can come up with... maybe you produce the cloth
during the effect and maybe it vanishes during the effect. Who
knows? It hasn't been done yet.
Hay, who can tell me anything about (who, when) the Magician that
I once saw enter the stage with a WHITE SHEET COVERING HIM,
COMPLETELY.... WHILE HE DID THE LINKING RINGS (the Rings OUTSIDE
the cloth!!!)???
Magic as an art. Anything can be art... you just need to
thoroughly STUDY and perfect what you do IN YOUR OWN WAY... when
one saw Cardini, Pollock, Kaps, Nielsen, Samson, Martyn (and many
others) you witnessed ART. Not many can lay claim to being
'ARTISTES' (more come from Europe, where the theater and its
performers are considered such!
Back to "should you do magic at a party gathering" it is entirely
up to you and the "scene" -- the people, the time, the moment,
must ALL BE RIGHT... in the right situation -- SEEMINGLY
IMPROMPTU -- a bit of magic can be AWESOME! If you don't want to
perform that is just fine... it is all up to the individual.
Well, FUN SEEKERS, I hope I haven't overstayed my visit... ADIOS
AMIGOS, ET AL.
sg #3764 Dated 19:14:07 05-27-91 3739 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: OUT OF THE BLUE
I'll tell you someday.
Msg #3766 Dated 19:14:17 05-27-91 3747 <--> 3767
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Muchas gracias!
Msg #3767 Dated 19:14:20 05-27-91 3748 <--> 3773
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Napoleon Hill's "Laws of Success" and "Think and Grow Rich."
Msg #3768 Dated 19:14:24 05-27-91 3735 <--> 3814
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURE
Any chance of a lecture in Nashville?
Msg #3769 Dated 19:14:27 05-27-91 3737 <--> 3781
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: ?
He heard Blackstone started that way?
Msg #3770 Dated 19:14:30 05-27-91 3741 <--> 3780
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WANTED
I mean no harm; looking for laughter most everywhere I go. Life is so
damned serious most of the time that I guess the benefit of RDMAGIC!
is that I am "popping off" a little too much right now. The sysop
mentioned it to me also, but I was testing IMP and where I rode the
winds of caution before I confess the need of an upload file caused
me to just let go and smart*ss myself right to the edge. I like your
program for that spontaneous experience and thank you for it. In fact
I rather like the brevity of it all. Sort of like having long hair
when you had short hair before. Viva Tampico!!!
Msg #3771 Dated 19:14:40 05-27-91 3742 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Magi-menagery?
Msg #3772 Dated 19:14:44 05-27-91 3743 <--> 4369
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
A unique solution, Jerry, without major changes to MAGIC! :::::
Msg #3773 Dated 19:46:07 05-27-91 3767 <--> 3782
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Oh! THAT kind of transmuted sexual energy. Does Napoleon Hill
recommend celebacy?
Msg #3774 Dated 19:47:35 05-27-91 3759 <--> 3817
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INDY 500,000
Shoulda asked Yaeger for a lift - he could have flown you home in about
2 hours. 'Course, on his flights you don't get a movie, dinner or a
stewardess.
Msg #3775 Dated 19:49:03 05-27-91 3760 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ILLIGITUMS
I think it is about two dollars. You get it from Marvin Stern.
Msg #3777 Dated 19:52:15 05-27-91 3763 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF OF ALL KINDS
Hang in there, Pete. We are working on some ways to get your connect
time down to seconds. Jerry Burton, David VanVranken and Tabman are
working on the project. Meanwhile, Max and Michael Ammar are working
on a chronological (like topological only done with time) system that
will result in negative constructs - you call in, get your messages,
and your phone bill goes DOWN.
Msg #3779 Dated 19:57:26 05-27-91 3555 <--> 3803
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: ADRESSES WANTED
Vernet is not in Brazil. They are in Argentina. I don't have a
specific address, but at least I can point you to the right country!
I did spend about 1/2 hour talking to information in Beunos Aires and
they could only locate a company named "Vernet Basualdo & Company."
That may NOT be the magic Vernet. The country code for Argentina is
54, the city code for Beunos Aires is 1 and the two phone numbers for
that company are 42-3162 and 42-3773.
Haven't a clue on clown shoes.
Msg #3780 Dated 22:37:08 05-27-91 3713 <--> 3788
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WANTED
I think it was when some Supreme Court Justic nominee had been
characterized as mediocre that some representative of the people --
Hruska, maybe? -- argued for him on the grounds that mediocre people
need representation too...
...on a more serious note (though that guy, unfortunately, was
serious), sticking up for incompetent boobs may make us feel better,
but it doesn't do anything for the art or craft we're involved in.
Would you want your doctors to act that way? I mean, they do, but do
you like it?
Msg #3781 Dated 22:40:48 05-27-91 3715 <--> 3793
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ?
Because he saw a chicken do it and magicians -- amateur and otherwise
-- will imitate whatever they see.
Msg #3782 Dated 22:46:27 05-27-91 3773 <--> 3789
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
What's celebacy? Not f***ing celebrities?
Msg #3783 Dated 22:47:13 05-27-91 3762 <--> 3801
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
A lot of magicians can get audiences tapping their feet -- impatiently.
Msg #3784 Dated 22:57:28 05-27-91 3708 <--> 3785
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
I had been watching the Tagagi tape just the same week that DC's
special was on and it looked almost identical (the adaptation's you
mention weren't that obvious, perhaps just makes the handling easier)
.
I noticed there was no credit given to Takagi at the end of the
special - the routine looks almost identical, why no credit ?
Msg #3785 Dated 22:57:57 05-27-91 3755 <--> 3786
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Bummer - I met Takagi in Vegas at the Close-up deal Stevens put on in
November, he was a truly nice sharing person - I was shocked to hear
he is no longer with us.
.
Everyone else that contributed to the show was credited, I could not
believe Tagaki was left out, a shame.
Msg #3786 Dated 23:03:13 05-27-91 3755 <--> 3790
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Bummer - I met Takagi in Vegas at the Close-up deal Stevens put on in
November, he was a truly nice sharing person - I was shocked to hear
he is no longer with us.
.
Everyone else that contributed to the show was credited, I could not
believe Tagaki was left out, a shame.
Msg #3787 Dated 23:03:20 05-27-91 3729 <--> 3798
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RD...
I will try to remember to take a photo of the monster for you, and
will present same on your your side of the planet. Plan to arrive 29
June am on a red-eye, staying at the Stouuffer Harbour Place thru
Tues, then to NY and CT. Will also bring a new improved version of
IMP! with all the latest bells and whistles.
.
Please call or post your fax number, I have a mod for the base of the
pyramid project. Getting into some heavy energy out here, this is
gonna be awesome !
Msg #3788 Dated 23:03:28 05-27-91 3770 <--> 3792
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WANTED
I know the feelin'
Msg #3789 Dated 23:08:06 05-27-91 3782 <--> 3799
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Er... I meant celibacy. Just like my quickly typed version of Buenos
Aires. I have a friend who maintains that "crime against nature"
means having sexual contact with a tree.
Msg #3790 Dated 23:44:05 05-27-91 3786 <--> 3881
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
In recent years, David Copperfield has taken extra effort to try and
include names in his show credits, even when a given individual may
have had no direct involvement, but rather was the creator of some
published idea that evolved into something on the show. Takagi's rope
routine was the genesis of the DC routine, but Takagi was not directly
involved.
The Mac King routine began with an earlier version of the Takagi
one. Subsequently, Takagi himself went back to the earlier routine and
developed a further phase, which was similar to what Mac had come up
with but although identical in appearance was technically the reverse
of the King version.
Msg #3792 Dated 0:40:42 05-28-91 3780 <--> 3816
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WANTED
Yeah, sure T A. I'm just making some attempt to take what I consdier
a fascinating and potentially eye-opening discussion, this state of
magic thing, and get rid of some of the pro vs. amateur snobbery and
obnoxiousness. (That's not a remark directed at you, by the way.) But
there's something good to discuss as a group here, and instead I think
we're too busy trying to draw distinctions among ourselves. After all,
we're here because we have things in common, not because we differ so
greatly. Yes, some of the BBS'ers here may have gargantuan skill. And
some may not be able to double lift their way out of a paper bag. But
our interest and passion are what have brought us here, and, from where
I'm sitting, are the only gauge worth judging us all by. After all,
we're not paying to see each other perform.
Msg #3793 Dated 0:48:11 05-28-91 3756 <--> 3794
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: ?
Actually, you're more right than you know.
There happened to be a chicken farm on the other side of the street,
and the magician was actually crossing to road to get a CAPON.
I think I can hear the groans from here.
Msg #3794 Dated 0:55:52 05-28-91 3793 <--> 3796
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ?
Oh, Geez.... Urp! Somebody, QUICK! Go get a Malini Egg Bag...
Msg #3796 Dated 2:22:28 05-28-91 3793 <--> 3815
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ?
I know. I was making a pun out of it.
Msg #3798 Dated 4:30:30 05-28-91 3787 <--> 3800
From: JIM SISTI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RD...
Jerry. . .
Let me know where and when you'll be in Connecticut. Perhaps we could
get together...
Msg #3799 Dated 6:58:19 05-28-91 3773 <--> 3853
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Not necessarily.
Msg #3800 Dated 6:58:23 05-28-91 3787 <--> 3886
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RD...
tabman fax = 301-884-0308
Msg #3801 Dated 6:58:26 05-28-91 3783 <--> 3820
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
That's too funny!
Msg #3803 Dated 10:27:47 05-28-91 3779 <--> 3819
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: ADRESSES WANTED
I've tracked down one source of leather clown shoes -
Morris Costumes (3108 Monroe Rd, Charlotte, North Carolina 28205) makes
them on special order. It takes about six weeks and they retail for
about $150. Their phone number is US (704) 332-3304.
Msg #3804 Dated 10:36:00 05-28-91 -> 3809
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: DOWNLOAD
As an "expert", perhaps you can give me an answer. This AM after
downloading the week-end messages, and then reading them, I find that
not all of the messages were downloaded. This happened once before.
I,m sure that you or one of the other computer guys, can come up with
an answer.
Msg #3805 Dated 10:43:50 05-28-91 -> 3807
From: MARVIN STERN
To: ALL
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
For those of you in the Motion Picture Industry, and who are
interested, I have free admission passes to Showbiz Expo. If you need
some, a few, let me know,
Msg #3806 Dated 10:59:48 05-28-91 -> 3883
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MEMORIAL DAY
Darn. Wish I would have gotten your message earlier. We have a place
right on the sand, and go to Balboa/Newport every weekend that we can.
On Sat and Sun mornings, through lunch, we are usually sitting in front
of Kelly's Coffee Shop, were the ferry docks on the peninsula. Also,
if at all sunny or bright, our table has an umbrella.
We won't be down the next 2 weekends but as of now, will be there the
following weekend.
Sure would be fun if you stopped by. BUT whatever you do, don't ask my
wife to pick a card, as she would probably jump off the dock.
On second thought.....
Msg #3807 Dated 11:05:13 05-28-91 3805 <--> 3810
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
Marvin
I'd like a couple of ShowBiz Expo passes if possible. (P. O. Box 900,
Arleta, Ca., 91334). Thanks.
Msg #3809 Dated 11:22:04 05-28-91 3804 <--> 3821
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DOWNLOAD
Just checked the message file at this end and found no problems. It is
possible for something to "glitch" in the file, but that doesn't appear
to have been the case this time. Some sort of line noise - garbage
created somewhere between your modem and MAGIC! could have caused it -
or something strange on your end.
Msg #3810 Dated 11:26:10 05-28-91 3807 <--> 3811
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
In the mail, box 900, not 1000. Trust you will stop-by my booth.
Msg #3811 Dated 11:42:42 05-28-91 3810 <--> 3812
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
The number on our post office box is tied to the value of the dollar on
the Hong Kong exchange.
Actually, both boxes 900 and 1000 are valid addresses for MAGIC! I
have a tendancy to type 900 rather than 1000. Guess I should stop
doing that, but I always get a kick out of having more addresses than
Abbotts.
Msg #3812 Dated 13:45:26 05-28-91 3805 <--> 3822
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
Whatcha hawkin dere, Marvin?
You'll have to pardon my ignorance, but could you fill me in on some of
the details of Showbiz Expo? Just the basic whats, whens & wheres, if
you can.
We get down to Balboa Island every now & then. I've often thought of
getting a place for my mother down there...it's one of the few places
in So. Cal. that she actually likes! We'll probably get down there
sometime during the first two weeks in July for a day. I'll let you
know and perhaps we can all grab a cup of java together.
Msg #3814 Dated 14:47:54 05-28-91 3768 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURE
Why not. I can show 'em how to chop an accordian.
Msg #3815 Dated 14:48:26 05-28-91 3793 <--> 3831
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ?
AAARRRRGGGGGRRRRRROOOOOOOOAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN
Don't ask me about the four legged chicken story. OK!
Msg #3816 Dated 14:49:35 05-28-91 3780 <--> 3851
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WANTED
What's the effect?
Msg #3817 Dated 14:50:07 05-28-91 3774 <--> 3837
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: INDY 500,000
Wanna bet. The General flies so fast you see it all "live" in your
wildest angles. Upside down if you want.
Msg #3819 Dated 14:52:09 05-28-91 3803 <--> 3839
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ADRESSES WANTED
Jay Marshall 312 EDI-BULL used to have a shop in his neighborhood that
made clown shoes.
Msg #3820 Dated 14:52:40 05-28-91 3783 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
Tooooo Shay....
Msg #3821 Dated 14:54:01 05-28-91 3804 <--> 3824
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DOWNLOAD
You don't get to see the private messages. Maybe those are what was
missing.
Msg #3822 Dated 15:11:31 05-28-91 3812 <--> 3823
From: MARVIN STERN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
Showbiz Expo is a trade show/convention of professional motion picture
equipment and allied industries. Items such as cameras, lights,
accessories, and even computer programs for our industry. Programs for
script writting, budget breakdown, etc. It's being held at the LA
Convention Center, June 8-10. Let me know if you need tickets.
Re: Balboa. We'll be in London during July, and won't be at the beach
for the next two week-ends. But will probably be there the following
2. My wife is an excellant hostess and loves company and please use
this as your inviation to visit us at Balboa - with your wife and
modther- no problem. Our townhouse extends out on the sand and one can
sit in the living room and see the beach, ocean, pier and all the OTHER
good sights a person sees at the beach. Company is a way of life with
us, but as I mentioned in another message, just don't ask her to pick
a card. If you decide to come down, just let me know.
Msg #3823 Dated 15:24:33 05-28-91 3822 <--> 3854
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
I'm only kidding about the pick a card.
Msg #3824 Dated 15:25:30 05-28-91 3821 <--> 3825
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOWNLOAD
Thanks for the help. However it was regular messages that didn't get
downloaded. David said it wasn't a problem on his end, so I guess it
was something that went haywire here.
How was the 500?
Msg #3825 Dated 16:21:34 05-28-91 3824 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DOWNLOAD
My part was very exhausting... taking pix without an assistant. Hot and
humid... big time. My ad work and calendar project seemed to go super
good. Friend, Rick Mears took the win!
Msg #3826 Dated 16:22:29 05-28-91 -> 3828
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
Sittin' on the old airplane here trying to type (the dude in
front of me has his seat LEANED ALL THE WAY BACK!!!) Should be a
law against that!
By the time I get home I hope Wayne P has de-magnetised his
Chop Cup (or bought a nice leather one).
An insane idea I had one time... Years ago... was to produce
a standing stack of coins under a cup. The unit I made up was
with a small leather chop cup that I got from Harry Stanley's
Unique Studio, in London. It was also suitable for dice stacking.
I took a plastic tube that was just large enough to hold a
stack of pennies (you can use any size coins that fit your cup)
and cut it to the length that would fit the depth of the cup.
The tube was then wrapped with brown tape until it fit snugly
inside the cup. Much the shape of the cup. That way when you
loaded it into the cup it would STAY due to the friction.
This "holder" was in a pocket, open side up so the coins
would not fall out. It was then loaded in the usual fashion. I
used it as the second load following he Bob Stencil way of
loading the first ball under cover of a silk, made popular by
Larry Jennings and Ron Wilson in thier routines.
The other load system I used was to make a light cardboard
tube to hold four dice. It was almost just heavy paper, wrapped
around the dice, like a square tube. It was not necessary to fill
the cup, the tube was only a thin wrapper for the dice, open at
the bottom with a steel shim at the top. The shim was held by the
chop cup magnet and lifted the paper shell off the dice when you
lifted the cup. This way you could reveal the dice load (a stack
of four) and get rid of the paper holder and continue using the
cup for the dice stacking. It was actually used during a dice
routine to produce four more dice.
One more item was a load container made much like the load
chamber of a Phantom Tube. It was the shape of the Chop cup (or a
cup and ball cup in this case and was a snug fit.
It was filled with RICE and covered with flash paper. Thus
loaded into a cup the rice would stay in place. There was a small
lit candle on the table and when the cup was held over the candle
the paper would burn and the rice would fall from the cup putting
out the candle. This was jointly worked up with San Francisco
area magicians Earl Tureau and the late Emil Clifton.
NEW ADD ON HERE, ONLINE: The second flight from Denver to Oakland
the guy sitting next tome was so FAT I had to sit at a 45 degree angle
and am sore and stiff necked.... GGGGGRRRRAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHHH
Msg #3827 Dated 16:24:20 05-28-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: I FORGET
Steve Bryant: Thanks for your message. Where did the Lou Derman
quote re my Linking Ring routine come from? I can't believe you
remembered it... Maybe I just never did see it. I would like to
use the quote in my lead-in to the "Perverse Routine".
There will be much, much more than the comedy routine in the
"book" -- I (with help from some friends--on and off MAGIC!) have
dug up some very interesting information about the fabled trick,
and have found out some great stuff about the supposed origin of
the effect.
The book is growing as I continue to "discover" more and
more stuff. Each door opened leads down several paths.
In addition to the Linking Rings, there will be some effects
with finger rings (gaffed and non-gaffed) that have never seen
print as well as several anecdotes that will prove highly
interesting reading.
No publication date has been set, but members of MAGIC! will
be the first to know how things are progressing.
Again, sorry you didn't make the lecture.
The "Vanishing Chairs" was a gag line, taking off on
Copperfield's Jet Plane and Choo Choo Train vanish (surrounded by
human beings holding hands!) Could not do it at Indianapolis
lecture, as I couldn't find enough stooges!
Electrick Deck. This was a different way to finish the gag
where you show the cards are "Strung" following a few flourishes
and an arm spread. You have ONE loose card that, after you spread
the deck on your outstretched arm, flutters to the floor. When
you bend over to pick it up, the strung pack is tipped off for
the laugh. The important part is the position, the grip and the
way you physically handle the cards. Too long to describe. Ask
someone that was there, like Harry Riser.
Note to those that know Riser had suffered a stroke last
year. He seems to be FULLY RECOVERED, and plays tennis, can do
all his sleight-of-hand, and feels 100-percent.
Msg #3828 Dated 17:09:20 05-28-91 3826 <--> 3832
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
The "loose" load idea has had some interesting versions. Years ago I
spent a weekend working with Paul Gertner on a "bonus" pay-off for his
cups&balls routine, specifically as an unexpected extra to do at the
Fechter convention. After he produced the large steel balls, then the
even larger one (that usually completes his routine), he lifted the
center cup and revealed several hundred tiny steel balls (BB's) that
cascaded all over the table.
Then there's Elmsley's production of loose salt, and Ronnie Gann's
clever method for producing _water_ from the cups at the conclusion.
Msg #3829 Dated 17:10:37 05-28-91 -> 3835
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS
I should have known you were a Napolean Hill fan! I traveled cross
country to attend the dinner honoring the 50th anniversary of the
printing of the book, put on by W. Clement Stone. Earl Nightingale
spoke, but even HE glossed over the Sexual Transmutation chapter,
calling it `enthusiasm, or the channeling of all bodily drives into
what we're doing...'. Stone talked about the originally proposed title
for THINK AND GROW RICH. It was originally going to be called `Make a
Boodel With Your Noodle', or something like that!
Msg #3831 Dated 18:02:40 05-28-91 3796 <--> 3883
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: ?
Manny--
You're TOO clever!
Msg #3832 Dated 18:42:03 05-28-91 3828 <--> 3855
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
Yo... there are many good ideas to conclude the cups. Don't forget
Takagi-San and his SOLID cup! Others have used cans of food (unopened)
etc. etc. I love the finish to the Shell Game (variant) Ken Brooke used
to market called EEZERS" -- I had a special set made with about a dozen
silver plated covers (nested) that filled the close up mat.
Msg #3833 Dated 18:44:10 05-28-91 -> 4064
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC?!
How much magic can you put on line? I mean real solid tricks, like
finding a card, restoring a rope, etc?
All the rest of the stuff is over mine head. I don't know what use guys
is talking about.
Har (ummph)
Msg #3835 Dated 19:00:10 05-28-91 3829 <--> 3904
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: A FINE MESS
I have had a dream for years of visiting the Napoleon Hill Oak which
is planted in Charleston, SC. Reading his books and listening to the
TAGR cassette which Earl Nightingale narrated night after night on
the road gave me the courage to step away from what appeared to be
a successful lifestyle; but in reality was eroding my dreams and
ideals. I'm not surprised in the least to find that you thought enuf
of this man to travel across country to commemorate the publication
of said book. Quite a few years ago, Gloria gave me a leather bound
"Laws of Success" for a gift. Maybe the most important single book I
own.
Msg #3837 Dated 20:08:09 05-28-91 3817 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INDY 500,000
I can't say for certain, but it is a reasonable bet that he is a member
of the "Mile High Club."
Msg #3839 Dated 20:10:32 05-28-91 3819 <--> 3858
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ADRESSES WANTED
(312) EDI-BULL or (800) EDI-BULL? I thought it was 800.
Msg #3840 Dated 21:07:15 05-28-91 -> 3860
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: ALL
Re: WALK AROUND
For those that work restaurants, I am looking for some feedback on
how you establish your fees? Also how do you initialily approach the
establishment? Any tips?.....Does anyone have info and for sale Genii,
Vol.I, # I?........Thanks, C.D.P.
Msg #3841 Dated 21:41:43 05-28-91 -> 3915
From: STEPHEN A SPARKS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: 'CAPS'
HEY, CRABBY TABB - OR - WAS THAT TABBY CRABB? WHAT "CAPS"? - WAIT
A MINUTE - LET ME TAKE OFF MY GLASSES....oh!! I see what you mean.
alittle easier to read. Sorry for the eye-strain. Have been on a
coin-net for over 5 years and everything is written in CAPS. will
attempt to do all future writings on here in small-case. Just hope
i can remember to CAP the first words in a sentance and the letter 'I'
- looking back over this I see that i missed a few. Oh well, practice
makes future perfect..... SAS
Msg #3842 Dated 21:45:28 05-28-91 -> 3879
From: STEPHEN A SPARKS
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: MAGIC FILMS
Hey Manny - thank you for the msg - I have one Houdini film in the
library - 'Man From Beyond' - seem to remember that I got it from
Byron Walker about 20 years ago - I could be wrong - but that's
what comes to mind. The film is either on 8mm or Super 8 - can't
remember that either.......The only other film in library is 'Willard
the Wizard' done by Ramon Galindo from Austin, Texas. Think the
16mm was done back in 1964 at the TAOM convention in San Antonio.
This was my first magic conv. and I even -=ran=- to the stage when he
asked for a helper from the audience. Took me many years to get a
copy of the film -but- it menas alot to me - since i;m in it.
SAS
Msg #3851 Dated 22:54:21 05-28-91 3792 <--> 3861
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WANTED
I don't disagree with some of what you say but -- you knew there was
going to be a but -- it seems to me that there are two kinds of people
in magic; those attracted to it as a performance art, and those who
come to it as a social sort of thing. Obviously, nobody is completely
one or the other; percentages vary widely. Just as obviously, most
clubs are democratic; art never is. There is, therefore, always going
to be some sort of conflict between those who are concerned with the
status of magic as an art form -- and frankly realize that art is not
something everyone can do, or succeed at, there will always be failures
and rejections -- and those who have the we're-all-pals-together idea
of magic. It is this emphasis of the social aspect of magic over the
performance aspect -- by most magic groups -- that I think has done
major harm to magic. It is part of the reason that the only magic
organization I belong to is the Magic Castle -- and, of course, I have
my little wars with a lot of people there, too.
Msg #3852 Dated 22:59:32 05-28-91 -> 3884
From: PAT HOLCOMBE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Jerry- Could it be that magic must be seen to be enjoyed?
Pat
Msg #3853 Dated 23:00:50 05-28-91 3789 <--> 3862
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Oh -- I always thought a "crime against" nature was to enjoy the show
of Andrew Dice Clay...
Msg #3854 Dated 23:03:55 05-28-91 3822 <--> 3869
From: T A WATERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
I'd much appreciate a ticket to the Showbix Expo, if they're still
available.
Msg #3855 Dated 23:05:49 05-28-91 3826 <--> 3864
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
A similar device -- I think in an old Ireland Year Book -- was a
gimmick for the finish of a dice routine; it was a cup over a lid sort
of thing, loaded as a unit into the dice cup. The inner cup was lifted
off along with the dice cup, and dozens of dice cascaded out in a pile
-- concealing the lid-gimmick beneath them, of course. Very impressive
show it made.
Msg #3858 Dated 23:14:19 05-28-91 3839 <--> 3867
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ADRESSES WANTED
Chicago is 312, Jay Marshall and Fran own Magic Inc. EDI BULL is fone
nr
Msg #3860 Dated 23:11:04 05-28-91 3840 <--> 3865
From: T A WATERS
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: WALK AROUND
Don't know if this will be workable now -- but way back when I first
got to New York and was working coffeehouses in the Village, I got a
very good tip from Dr. Jaks. He suggested a table card describing what
I did -- and HAVING A PRICE on it. This was thirty years ago (!) and
so the price was $3, I think, and I always ended up getting more. The
point Dr. Jaks made was that people don't know the protocol of table
entertainers -- they don't know whether they're supposed to pay you,
tip you, what -- and the table card made it clear. Since it instructed
them to ask their waiter/waitress, this also meant you only went to the
tables that wanted to see you. It was a much more pleasant situation
than trying to "hustle" the tables -- and I think if I ever went back
into restaurant work I would try to do it much the same way.
On the other hand -- I haven't done it in a while, and it may no
longer be workable. Quien sabe?
Msg #3861 Dated 23:16:17 05-28-91 3851 <--> 3872
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WANTED
Make Peace not War.
Msg #3862 Dated 23:16:37 05-28-91 3853 <--> 3863
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Now you are getting close. But WHY IS HE SUCCESSFUL?
Msg #3863 Dated 23:16:49 05-28-91 3853 <--> 3917
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
THAT is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY! Cutting the rainforests is a crime
against nature!
Msg #3864 Dated 23:17:12 05-28-91 3855 <--> 3870
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
Wil look it up. or down, as my Ireland Yearbook files are on floor.
Msg #3865 Dated 23:17:57 05-28-91 3860 <--> 3914
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WALK AROUND
Ask MIKE CLOSE, he is new online and full time restaurant man. Also
check JIM SISTI.
Msg #3867 Dated 23:18:37 05-28-91 3858 <--> 3938
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ADRESSES WANTED
OK, thanks. 312-EDI-BULL it is!
Msg #3868 Dated 23:19:52 05-28-91 -> 3918
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW MODEM!
We have installed a new modem - 9600 bps - on a special line -
818-896-4839. For those who have 9600 bps modems or 2400 baud modems
that support MNP 2 to MNP 5 or V.42bis, you should give the new number
a try.
For those who do NOT have these types of modems (and, as a general
rule, if you don't know, you don't have one) please do NOT use the new
number! You will actually DECREASE your chances of getting a line into
MAGIC!
The software to support the new equipment was installed tonite. We
have been testing it on the "Beta" system for several days, but if you
do encounter communications problems on any of the MAGIC! lines, please
leave a comment and let us know what happened.
This new modem is initially set to ONLY throughput at speeds up to 9600
bps (four times as fast as 2400) but eventually will be capable of
providing access to MAGIC! at up to 38,400 bps! That is SIXTEEN times
the speed of a 2400 baud modem.
Msg #3869 Dated 0:07:11 05-29-91 3822 <--> 3935
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
I'd like to get down to the Expo, but I don't know which day(s) we can
make it. Are the tickets good for any day or one specific day only?
Re: Balboa...I'm afraid we're gonna miss you folks next trip to
Balboa. My mother still lives in New York and she'll be visiting July
2-12. We usually take her down there. Some other time, though, we'll
be sure to let you know ahead of time and perhaps we can join forces
for a visit or a stroll.
Msg #3870 Dated 0:16:06 05-29-91 3826 <--> 3891
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
That's why we Elitists fly first class!
!!!HHHHHGGGGGGRRRRRRAAAAAAAA
(Ooops...I got my super-magnetized chop cup too near the computer!)
Msg #3871 Dated 0:24:22 05-29-91 -> 3930
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: RUN DON'T WALK!
I made a trip to the Castle tonight just to see Jerry Andrus in the
Close-Up Gallery. What a treat! He's now 73 and, according to him,
out of practice after not having performed for a year and a half. Bah!
RUN DON'T WALK to the Castle this week to see this wonderful magical
thinker perform his miracles.
These are the experiences that make one want to kiss the ground that
the Magic Castle is built on.
(There are some bodily functions that would be appropriate to perform
on that sculpture out front, but we won't get into that!)
Msg #3872 Dated 0:47:41 05-29-91 3851 <--> 3885
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WANTED
My intuition -- people don't get into magic for the social aspects in
that they want to fraternize with other magi. Fraternizing with other
magi comes from the love of the art. If you wanted to find a common
interest that would get you involved with a group of people, there are
many easier and fruitful pursuits to pursue -- golf among them.
Msg #3874 Dated 0:49:31 05-29-91 -> 3893
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE
Some quick thoughts on what makes magic unique as an art form. These
are stabs in the dark out there at a large and nebulous shadow...
Unlike all forms of abstract art (painting, dancing, etc), and almost
all forms of art in general, the standard way of performing magic
leaves little room for the audience to read their own interpretations
into. A blot on a canvas, a strange dance movement, a vocal
intonation, these all SEEM to offer more room for interpretation than
any STANDARD performance of a magical effect. I don't think this is a
LIMIT on the art of magic --- perhaps it's something worth thinking
about?
Good art of all kinds challenges people to look at the world in a
different way. Most simply, a painter or a photographer's eye can
unlock a whole new way of looking at things. A dancer or singers
actions can make us look at the way we move or express our own
emotions. Magic has the POTENTIAL to challenge people to look at the
world in a different way -- and when this potential is tapped, you've
got a rewarding performer. But as soon as the CHALLENGE aspect is
brought in, we are not asking the audience to look again at the world
around them, but rather to see if they can avoid being fooled by you.
This inherent challenge to be fooled between magi and audience is the
single most important stumbling block to the audience suspending their
disbelief. All performance arts depend on suspension of disbelief, and
it works better in all performance arts then magic (I can hear you
hitting the "r" keys now.) By the very nature of things, people are
much more open-minded when the curtain goes up or the movie lights dim
than they are when the magi threatens to fool them (of they perceive
this).
One more quick thought -- people aren't threatened by a dancer's skill,
a singer's voice, an artist's stroke. But many people ARE bugged by a
magi's skill. It's because those other talents are seen as just that
-- as something you're born with, and then work on. TALENT. But for
some reason a magicians skill is not a talent to laypeople.
Okay, time to give the brain a rest. I'm sure all of you won't agree
with all of that... actually, I'm SURE none of you will agree with all
of that. But we've been circling some interesting core discussions
here for a while, and I wanted to throw these thoughts out into the
ether to see what came back, what y'all think.
The awful truth, or a sack of air?
Msg #3875 Dated 1:01:14 05-29-91 -> 3887
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: SCANNER
Hi.
I'm interested in anyone out there who's got a scanner and some good
OCR software (optical character recognition). See, I've got this STACK
of old periodicals and I need to go through them to count word usage
for a PHD thesis I'm doing. Alright, not really word usage,
punctuation usage, if you want the whole truth. And not really all
punctutation, there's a particular punctuation mark I'm interested in.
Quotation marks. I need to count them. I have to count them. In
every magic periodical I own. Then I'll move onto the Scientific
Americans.
Msg #3876 Dated 1:04:27 05-29-91 -> 3931
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: ALL
Re: STERLING MAGIC
Can someone (Northern CA.?) give me an address
for Sterling Magic or who was the last
proprieter?
Msg #3879 Dated 1:10:57 05-29-91 3842 <--> 3922
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: STEPHEN A SPARKS (X)
Re: MAGIC FILMS
Outside of Houdini, I also have other magicians on film .. Blackstone,
Powell and others (Can't think of their names at 1am) Anyway I had the
film put on video tape, and if you like I could make you a copy. Is the
Willard on Video? Perhaps we could trade. Let me hear from you. Are
you anywhere near Van Nuys, California, where I live? If so, perhaps
you'd like to come over and look at the film. I'd like to meet you..
Msg #3880 Dated 1:13:58 05-29-91 -> 3977
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JTN
I caught a very entertaining piece with you on
the show Twenty 2 Forty and it had you make a
prediction of one of the stars on the walk of
fame. I thoroughly enjoyed it and if I may say
more than the Universal one (Probably because
of the location - ).At any rate it seemed
edited a bit as I noticed different cross
streets. How long did the whole take run? It
had some funny bits in it.
Msg #3881 Dated 1:22:07 05-29-91 3790 <--> 3978
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Interesting - thanks for the insight. I thought the entire routine
originated with Takagi. It is in both his book and tape. I was not
familiar with the Mac King version.
Msg #3883 Dated 1:22:14 05-29-91 3806 <--> 3937
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MEMORIAL DAY
Don't worry Marvin I don't do card tricks. I generally hit the beach
most every Sunday through the Summer. I know right where you are.
Will make a point of jumping onto the ferry and coming over to your
side of the bay. Sometimes we make it over to that side when we
bike down to Big Corona.
Msg #3884 Dated 1:22:23 05-29-91 3852 <--> 3916
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PAT HOLCOMBE (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
That's part of it - it doesn't play well on radio, but you also
have to focus your attention while watching or it just doesn't
make sense. If I look away or talk to my companion and then look
back and you produce an elephant from a chop cup it has no impact
since I wasn't watching when the load was made.
.
Listening to live music does not require our full attention. How
many times have you sat in a bar, where everyone is talking and
they still applaud when the band finishes.
.
A play requires our full attention, but not to the same degree that
magic does. If the magic is 'obvious' we quickly lose interest and
and also lose our concentration. If the performer is providing a
glimpse of 'true' magic we are rivieted to the performance and
are fully focused throughout the performance.
Msg #3885 Dated 1:22:34 05-29-91 3851 <--> 3892
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WANTED
There is something to what you say concerning magic groups and
the 'Brotherhood' or social aspect. Rarely, if ever, does anyone
criticize or point out a really bad performance. After all we're just
here to entertain each other and we do the best we can. Most poeple
in the clubs would probably consider the question of magic as ART
rather absurd. They are doing tricks, not art.
.
On the flip side the clubs are a great place to try out new material
and get feedback, without 'bombing' in public. Plus there ARE some
really fine magicians that use the club as their STAGE, and for
whatever reason would never think of going PRO. They enjoy what they
are doing and are a credit to the art. Unfortunately, they are a
minority - they majority are truly terrible, and they don't even
know it !
Msg #3886 Dated 1:22:46 05-29-91 3798 <--> 3923
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: RD...
I'll be coming up the 3rd, after IBM, and staying through the 7th.
My daughter lives in Norwalk. Going to try to make it into NY to
Mostly Magic and perhaps Penn & Teller. Where are you with respect
to Norwalk ?
Msg #3887 Dated 1:54:20 05-29-91 3875 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SCANNER
You are gonna need a GOOD scanner, Evan. Like a Kurzweill. Most
scanner/OCR systems can't see quotation marks very well. Mine always
reads 'em as '' instead of ". Suggest you contact Xerox (they own
Kurzweill) and see if they will make one available for a PhD study.
Msg #3888 Dated 2:05:05 05-29-91 3207 <--> 4015
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
T A -
Somehow, you never read the message this one is appended to. When you
read this one, please use the B for Back function to see the other one.
Thanks.
Msg #3889 Dated 6:01:31 05-29-91 -> 3895
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND
Gee I go away for a long weekend, and when I come back there's a ton of
messages. Spent a weekend in Maryland and Penn., some of the time on
a bicycle, some being sick, and going to a wedding, but no magic. Will
be in LA starting Saturday and will go to the Castle as often as
possible. Richard Hatch will also be out Tuesday for a gig, so we'll
both definitely be at the Castle Tuesday night.
Charlie
Msg #3891 Dated 7:06:50 05-29-91 3870 <--> 3919
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
What's first class? Da part of the plane that lands earlier?
Msg #3892 Dated 7:07:52 05-29-91 3872 <--> 4011
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WANTED
Only thing a bad golfer only screws up three other people at a time.
Msg #3893 Dated 7:09:13 05-29-91 3874 <--> 3920
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE
One thing a magician (me the other night at Indy) can do is work for a
small group. Can you immagine having dinner in a fine restaurant and
suddenly you break out in song? Or jump up and start to do a dance
number between the tables for your friends? Or bring out your trumpet?
Harrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh*
Msg #3894 Dated 7:12:28 05-29-91 -> 3913
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ALIVE OR WHAT?
I somethn wrong? No Tabman on the airwaves this ayem? No big deal jess
wonderin' -- will look up my travel tix and let you and El Davido know
my flight to Hot L De Car Low.
Msg #3895 Dated 7:27:48 05-29-91 3889 <--> 3941
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND
You WILL be here for the Saturday (June 1st) of the Castle swap, I
presume? Did you ever figure out what time it starts? Also, will you
and Richard be here the following Friday (June 7th)? Maybe we could
put together an informal luncheon?
Msg #3896 Dated 8:54:10 05-29-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 3242 & 3243
Welcome home Pete...you sounded wiped out last night. Must have
been a furnace in the brickyard. The full page in USA Today
looked super as ever. I am awaiting the life enhancing news you
mentioned in #3242.
Msg #3897 Dated 8:54:52 05-29-91 -> 3927
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: 3245
I give you full permission to use "Monarch-of-Monikers" free of
any royalities. Frankly, I feel "Dude" is a bit dated, but that
is a matter of personal taste. You probably are hard shelled and
like pizza as well.
Msg #3898 Dated 8:55:36 05-29-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: 3246
Glad you like the idea. We didn't do it for a number of reasons,
hoewever it remains as something we might try one of these days.
We would probably have to use video tape and do it with the
judges or selected spectators at the table. It is difficult to
devise a suitable method of ensuring that it would be
entertaining enough to show to spectators. Might be that only
judges would view all the tape and then show the top three
winners to the audience. Let's just say it is still under
development.
Msg #3899 Dated 8:56:08 05-29-91 -> 4008
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: 3288 ON 2986
Jerry...much of this is individual decision type stuff. I don't
think it makes a whit of difference if you are pro or amateur
with regard to informal performances in a social setting. In
fact, it depends greatly on the given situation at the moment.
One time might be OK, the next time absolutely not. It is a
personal decision and one must use their judgement to decide if
and when they should perform magic. See my message to Tabman
(3246) for some additional comments on the impromptu contest
idea.
Meanwhile take a BIG pat on the back for your outstanding efforts
on RDMAGIC. I am used to off line readers for PC Board and other
board systems and certainly welcome one for this system. Thank
you very much! ...Bill
Msg #3900 Dated 8:56:54 05-29-91 -> 3980
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: 3308 ON 2986
We discussed lots of pros and cons on the impromptu contest idea.
Joe may or may not have told me some of the comments were yours
at the time. I frankly don't remember as comments from lots of
people were being discussed. Tell me the stumbling block you
identified and I can at least tell you if we discussed it and
will hereafter know you thunk of it. We did discuss to probable
need to video tape such a thing and then possibly select only the
top three for audience viewing. Of course, there is the need to
isolate the contestants so that conditions are the same for all.
Needless to say, the concept is still under development. Please
let me know your thoughts.
Msg #3901 Dated 8:57:34 05-29-91 -> 3981
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: #3336
Just for the record, although I don't believe anyone has
specifically identified the I.B.M. as "hustling new members", the
I.B.M. has not had an organized membership promotion in years and
the board has in fact voted against having one at least twice in
the last five years. This is not to say that new members are not
welcome. Rather it is to make the point that we do not wish to
encourage members who are only casually interested in magic or to
only consider the numbers of members. There are both policy and
financial considerations against active membership promotion.
Our current membership growth is still tracking projections made
six or seven years ago and we are quite comfortable with it. We
do have criteria and we do not have a current level of "fervent
abandon" and haven't since I joined the board in 1978.
Msg #3902 Dated 8:58:35 05-29-91 -> 3926
From: BILL WELLS
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: YALL WELCOME
Charlie you are certainly welcome for the information. Maybe you, me
and the tabman can get together for a meal or something during your
June visit. I will speak to tabby about doing so.
Msg #3903 Dated 9:00:26 05-29-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VARIATIONS ON A THEME
OH NO! the "k" innovation has been added!
Msg #3904 Dated 8:55:46 05-29-91 3835 <--> 3908
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS
I've got a well marked copy myself! I met and became friends with Bill
Guthy at that dinner. Bill went on to produce the 12 tape set of TAGR
being read, and from the success of that he went on to become one of
the largest producers of books on tape in the country. The main reason
I went to the dinner, which was held in Rhode Island, was to meet Earl
Nightingale. I knew he was ill, and felt if I didn't meet him there,
I may never get another chance. It was an all day event, and I spent
most of the time looking for Earl. Finally, during the lunch, I
assumed he would be getting ready for his talk, so I skipped the meal
and went searching for him in the auditorium. About to give up the
hunt, I turned a corner, and almost ran into him! I quickly introduced
myself, and said, "I've flown in all the way from LA just to have the
chance to meet you...." His reply? "Great! Say, do you know where
the bathroom is?"
A very special moment with Earl!
Msg #3905 Dated 9:02:14 05-29-91 3619 <--> 3911
From: BILL WELLS
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
I will have to get the card out and look at it and then tell you whats
on the card...I am no expert on these things. It is very plain. I am
really not a collector but am rather a random sampler.
Msg #3908 Dated 9:05:16 05-29-91 3835 <--> 3928
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS
By the way, what is the Napoleon Hill Oak?
Msg #3909 Dated 9:05:09 05-29-91 3623 <--> 3956
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
If YOU want to discuss totipotentiality over lunch you may do so,
frankly I can think of better things! (grin) I guess that since the
Wild Carrot was one of the initial experimental organisms that it might
be appropriate to consider it a food.
Msg #3911 Dated 9:07:34 05-29-91 3642 <--> 3929
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
Damn! I can't seem to find your FAX number. Please stop lurking
by the machine long enough to post it here or answer the phone if
I get a chance to call your regular number and ask you for it.
Not sure if you are serious about turning the stage, but be
careful that you don't get a situation where sight lines preclude
any but the center of the audience from seeing what's happening.
It isn't "backstage room" on the stage we need as much as its
room behind the curtains off stage we need for the contests to
get set up before going onto the stage. Biroman is back in the
nest and will be takin' atja as soon as he sleeps up.
Know what you mean about the bay bridge, I had a gig over there
at Asby Plantation a weekend ago and got caught at the Kent
Narrows contruction coming back over late on Sunday afternoon.
Msg #3912 Dated 9:14:11 05-29-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FAX
301-884-0308
Msg #3913 Dated 9:15:38 05-29-91 3894 <--> 3942
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALIVE OR WHAT?
No, I'm OK; V've been under the weather past three days and have to
go on the road again this and next weekend so I stayed in bed past
two days trying to shake this thing and it seems I mostly did, but
must lay low so I'm close to 100% by Friday as gotta drive pickemup
truck to Atl City then fly to Nashville, then drive to Memphis, then
drive to Nashville, etc. Gots big deal (?????) going and need to be
well. MAGIC! seems to be doing fine these days without all the BS
from tabman. Am now enjoying the system like a civilian. RDMAGIC!
makes it more enjoyable as am reading this morning and replying to
stuff at leisure. Been ordering many mineature tools past few days
from room at Hotel DeCarlo. Portable phone, stack of catalogs and
my fax. Gotta hunker down next week and come up with first ad for
the Nashville Conclave which should go to Genii in a few weeks. If
you're gonna be in Walnut Crick for a coupla weeks I might call on
you for some help since I can't scan photos into this stuff (yet!!).
When Becky Blaney calls ask her about her rings routine. Glad the
Erdnase got there OK. I figured since the previous owner shared some
Karma with you, it would be more appropriate in the Biro archives
than here in mildew manor. We're having a HEAT WAVE now with humidity
outside so thick you can eat it (and me on a diet). I know what you
mean about cramped plane rides. I guess we should get fake IDs made
with Wayne Powers name onem so they'll put us up front. Get lucky
everyonceinawhile and kind stew puts me up front (key signs are
double pierced ears and hidden tatoos) but didn't happen last trip
since all planes were full. Since I'm responding to a msg
I'll let some things go, but think I faxxed you something while you
were gone, but my memory has mostly gone and can't keep track anymore
without writing it down and I can't seem to find a pencil when I need
one.
Msg #3914 Dated 9:16:03 05-29-91 3840 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: WALK AROUND
I think somebody else sed it too, but holler at Jim Sisti here
online. Hey, Mike Close is on here too I think I saw so you should
be in good shape with these guys to talk to.
Msg #3915 Dated 9:16:08 05-29-91 3841 <--> 3943
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEPHEN A SPARKS (X)
Re: 'CAPS'
The only other person who calls me CRABBY TABB is Howard Schwarzman,
are you his long lost cousin??? It's funny, in America when I'd make
a call and tell them my name, I usually get a laugh, some kind of
disbelief, a "WHAT!" or something equally insulting. When I worked
the British Isles it was entirely different. I'd get.."Tabby Crabb,
great name!!" Since it is my name, I've learned to live with it,
though "Tabby" is some sort of convoluted nickname, the real one
being TALMAGE which is ancient Scot (my roots are Stewart family)
name. I guess thats why I like golf so much.
Msg #3916 Dated 9:16:17 05-29-91 3852 <--> 3944
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PAT HOLCOMBE (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Dunninger proved that magic could be done on radio. I'd bet that
Max Maven could also pull a radio show off too.
Msg #3917 Dated 9:16:21 05-29-91 3863 <--> 3959
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
And ultimately, humanity.
Msg #3918 Dated 9:16:24 05-29-91 3868 <--> 3961
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MODEM!
Good to see the new faster service now available. I'll have to get
one of those faster MNP 5 modems. I'm getting a great collection
of Modems here. When is the next computer fair at Pomona Fair Grounds
Msg #3919 Dated 9:16:29 05-29-91 3870 <--> 3924
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
Sent the degausser to you in yesterdays mail so should be in around
the first of next week. I put tape over the tip, so you can touch the
rim with it. Also, the unit I sent has no off/on switch, so when you
plug it in it is working. Don't use it around computer disks or any
mag media or you'll be SORRY.
Msg #3920 Dated 9:16:35 05-29-91 3874 <--> 4007
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE
The underlying message is the hidden agenda of the magician. If the
intent is to "fool" the audience, then perhaps it will be met as a
threat or a challange; but if the intent of the magician is to
entertain then perhaps the performance will be met with laughter,
surprise and applause.
Msg #3922 Dated 9:16:52 05-29-91 3879 <--> 3940
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: MAGIC FILMS
Manny,
photo of HH sitting on his memorial. Just thought I'd let you know
how much I enjoyed it. Very well done. Thanks....
Msg #3923 Dated 9:16:58 05-29-91 3886 <--> 3999
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RD...
Pkg from BTB came in yesterday with a shipment of prerecorded tapes.
UPS man left boxes at gate with your pkg sitting on top. Haven't
opened it yet, but Gloria is bugging me since I told her what it was.
How's rosewood sound to you?? Good I hope since I ordered a bunch
yesterday. See you in Baltimore......
Msg #3924 Dated 9:17:04 05-29-91 3891 <--> 3932
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
They land first and don't sweat!!
Msg #3926 Dated 10:18:49 05-29-91 3902 <--> 4240
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: YALL WELCOME
Zounds good 2 me.
Msg #3927 Dated 10:18:52 05-29-91 3897 <--> 4241
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: 3245
Hard shelled, perhaps; moulting, occasionally. Once you've tasted
Lord Munchie's Pizza in Nashville the rest just sorta tastes like
piza.
Msg #3928 Dated 10:18:58 05-29-91 3908 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: A FINE MESS
Planted in Charleston to commemorate Napoleon Hill's birthday. It
was referenced in Hill's last book, the title of which escapes me
right now and finished by his co-writer who's name also escapes. I'll
reference it later and letcha know the exact stuff. Would like to
be a pilgrim sometime though.
Msg #3929 Dated 10:19:04 05-29-91 3911 <--> 4242
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD SILVER
Kent Narrows is fixed now and no problemo. Have sound guy and light
guy. Need some budgetary info though. Already working on it to make
sure I can get stuff I need. Pretty much know what we need now for
lights and sound. If the hotel has the risers, great!! As long as we
don't block a fire exit, there's no reason why the staging area can't
cover the entire width of the room; that's the way it usually is in
real stage life anyway. The stage size you outlined sounds good also.
I don't want to have to wait til the last minit to set this up since
hanging out is in order a few days before the event and my doctor
me to S T A Y C A L M !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How early can
the setup take place, etc.....Fax###301-884-0308....Vox301-884-8484.
Will be in and out of town for next 12 days and then here til then,
I guess.
Msg #3930 Dated 10:26:07 05-29-91 3871 <--> 3934
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: RUN DON'T WALK!
Hi Wayne! I just left a message to Tabby about my first meeting with
Earl Nightingale, but hearing about Jerry reminds me of my first
meeting with him, as well. It was in Pittsburg, in 1980. He was the
headliner at the convention, and I said hello, and that I was a fan of
his. HIS first sentense to me, in reply to my hello, was: "Say, did
you ever put your fingers in your ear, before putting your head under
the shower? When you do that, you don't hear the water from outside
your eardrum - rather, you hear the sound of the water hitting your
skull from the INSIDE of your eardrums, which produces a different
sound..." What could I say? "No, I hL*3Ey
nn*a */:{>G v
No, I haven't, but I will...."
Msg #3931 Dated 10:32:09 05-29-91 3876 <-
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: STERLING MAGIC
The last guy I knew who owed it was named John Nightingale. The
previous owner was Palmer Tilden, who lives in Redwood City, CA. He
now owns and runs Palmer Magic.
Msg #3932 Dated 10:54:39 05-29-91 3891 <--> 3933
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
(too much line noise....I'll have to be clever later)
Msg #3933 Dated 10:56:58 05-29-91 3919 <--> 4062
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CUPS AND STUFF
Thanx, Tabbo...You'll get results as soon as I have 'em!
Msg #3934 Dated 11:04:39 05-29-91 3930 <--> 3997
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: RUN DON'T WALK!
Yeah, that's him alright!
Your anecdote is so right on that I had to stop typing a minute and
laugh out loud! Last night he was lking about his
glasses-with-no-lenses and how he wokup one morning, put his glasses
on, looked in the mirror and everything was cloudy. He cleaned his
glasse No difference Again cleaned his glasses. Still no difference.
Then he cleaned the mirror!Ding
y wife's uncle has a mind that works that way...he's a reclusive
arti living up in Oakland. He's worked on his art for over 45 years
and has never sold one piece...not because he couldn't, mind you...but
because he couldn't bear to part with any ofhem!
Msg #3935 Dated 11:14:19 05-29-91 3854 <--> 3936
From: MARVIN STERN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
No problem. I'll bring them to the Castle Fri lunch and will find you
or leave them at the front desk.
Msg #3936 Dated 11:16:19 05-29-91 3869 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
The tickets are good for all/any of the days. If you're not sure , but
think you might be able to go, I can send you a couple . If you cand't
make it, you can't make it. No problem.
I'll need an address.
Msg #3937 Dated 11:20:51 05-29-91 3883 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MEMORIAL DAY
When you get off the ferry, turn right, and there we sit. Look for the
umbrella, See you in couple weeks, maybe.
Msg #3938 Dated 11:24:05 05-29-91 3779 <-
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: ADRESSES WANTED
I found a source for clown shoes. He used to make orthopedic shoes
for a living. He custom fits the shoes to your foot. He usually
requires an outline of your foot or a good fitting shoe to go by.
His address is:
Alan Zerobnick
Tenderfoot Trading Co.
P.O. Box 1349
Port Townsend, WA
98368
Telephone (206) 385-6164
I hope this helps,
David
Msg #3939 Dated 11:28:30 05-29-91 -> 4029
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC-IMP!
Jerry,
I think I have the previously mentioned "OLD" version of Imp! Can you
tell us which version is the most recent version in the download area?
Thanks
Msg #3940 Dated 13:08:11 05-29-91 3922 <--> 3945
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC FILMS
I also have photo's of Houdini with the bust (That used to sit on top
of his momorial) one of him in his coffin , and a ohoto of the coffin
next to a train. photo
Msg #3941 Dated 13:15:17 05-29-91 3889 <-
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND
If your in Saturday morning June 1st .. Theres a swap meet at the
Castle starting at 9am. I'll be there selling copies of my book:
HOUDINI: A Definitve Bibliography. Would look forwad to meeting you.
Msg #3942 Dated 14:10:40 05-29-91 3913 <--> 3946
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ALIVE OR WHAT?
I am bring dead right now anywhoooo....
Msg #3943 Dated 14:11:24 05-29-91 3915 <--> 3947
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: 'CAPS'
I have a Royal Stwart Tartan Egg Bag!
Msg #3944 Dated 14:11:46 05-29-91 3916 <--> 3948
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Radio... I did a trick on the radio last week and already 200 people
wrote in and said they culdn't see how it was done! Arrrggghhhh.
Actually, I did saw a radio show host in two one night at the Carter
Magic Cellar in San Francisco, as he DESCRIBED the routine and feeling!
Msg #3945 Dated 14:35:50 05-29-91 3940 <--> 4003
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: MAGIC FILMS
Was the bust stolen intact or was it smashed? I probably read it
at one time, but was so outraged I don't remember the details. I've
tried to get directions to HH's memorial there on Long Island from
several people, but can't get it right. I'm up there once or twice a
year and have wanted to visit the site and have even tried to find
the cemetary a coupla times. Maybe somebody online can give me the
scooooop.
Msg #3946 Dated 14:35:59 05-29-91 3942 <--> 3969
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALIVE OR WHAT?
Bring or Brain Dead?
Msg #3947 Dated 14:36:02 05-29-91 3943 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 'CAPS'
I visited the old home place (Edinborough Castle) a few years ago,
but they kicked us out for running around in Uncle Rob's armour.
Actually, my gread gramma, Fanny Stewart was GGG niece of Mary QOS.
Msg #3948 Dated 14:36:07 05-29-91 3944 <--> 3958
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Actually a cool idea. A great venue for Penn and Teller, I'd imagine
would be radio.
Msg #3949 Dated 14:37:12 05-29-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: HARRISON CARROLL
Re: FLOURISHES...
MAGIC!-NL Mon 27 May 91 23:51
Arnoud Van Delden posted the following msg:
Thanks for you reaction! Let me first say something about the
ambitous card routine I quoted (as an example). There are no
flourishes in there! I totaly agree with your statement that in
this particular effect absolute fairness and honest movements
are the best! That is why I used it to compare it with other
effects inwich flourishes CAN have their place and use.
The more you think about it, the more it becomes evident that
additional flourishes can act as a catalysator to a magical
effect but will never accomplish a magic effect. They can be as
pepper to any spice... Just enough makes it more tastefull, but
to much spoiles everything. I also think that the negative
influence a flourish may bring (because is failes by lack of
practice or doesn't fit in the magic frame) is much stronger
than any positive effect it can bring. But you may choose to go
for that extra (positive) effect it may pay you. This reminds
me of Jose Caroll at FISM; he did a great cardroutine but when
he took his applause (people were really enthousiastic) he
became reckless and tried a boomerang card with the produced
tter introduced by some fair spins on unimportant moments in
the routine for this reason.
Well, again thanks for your reply and let's see who else wants
to talk about it..... See You --- Arnoud.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #3950 Dated 14:37:28 05-29-91 -> 4020
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: A DRINK.....WHEN
MAGIC!-NL Tue 28 May 91 00:46
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
I'll be glad to hear from you, and if possible we can meet. Usually
I am in Holland, but I am also known to be at different places, but
we'll see!
Kind regards, Tommy..
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #3952 Dated 14:43:57 05-29-91 -> 3965
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ZOMBIE....
MAGIC!-NL Tue 28 May 91 00:49
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
No I do not know that particular trick. Is it attached directly to
the thumbtip? Or is there a piece of wire in between the cork and
the tip, to give it some distance? I imagine that under the right
curcumstances it surely will make people jump!
Kind regards, Tommy..
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #3953 Dated 14:44:05 05-29-91 -> 4016
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AS ART
MAGIC!-NL Tue 28 May 91 00:56
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Yes, that is sometimes a problem which can get in the way.
Personally I have felt that all this socializing is fine, but when I
get home it has never stopped me from working on magic! I suppose
that if the people at the gatherings would talk more about the
important things, than the general attitude might get better.
Especially for younger members I think this is important. The
socializing aspect should not be an interference in promoting
thinking about magic and theatrical arts!
Kind regards, Tommy..
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #3956 Dated 15:39:15 05-29-91 3909 <--> 4244
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC REVIEW
Am really fascinated by some of the research going on at the gene level
and beyond. Stuff they are begining to find in there. But hardly
useful in magic - "Wanna see a neat gene trick? Here, use my electron
microscope." Would be interesting to build a dragon, perhaps. But too
easy to clone. A few hours after you showed it, the guys in Taiwan
would be chunking 'em out by the ton.
Msg #3958 Dated 15:48:45 05-29-91 3948 <--> 3966
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
A great venue for Penn and Teller would be oblivion.
Msg #3959 Dated 15:49:10 05-29-91 3917 <--> 3967
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Yeah, but nature outranks humanity. It was here first, you know. And
will be here after we are gone - even if it has to start all over
again. Talk to Wells, he's the expert.
Msg #3961 Dated 15:51:43 05-29-91 3918 <--> 3968
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MODEM!
Next computer faire at Pomona is June 8th, followed by June 29th, July
27th, and August 24th.
I expect true 9600's to start dropping in price. Turns out they'll
have to make room for the 14,400 bps V.32bis modems that are starting
to come out. Another ten years or so and modems will be obsolete - a
thing called ISDN looms on the horizon - 64K bps direct connection of
phone line to computer.
Msg #3965 Dated 16:47:38 05-29-91 3952 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: ZOMBIE....
I attached a 2.5 inch sewing needle to the end of a metal thumb tip
by drilling a hole and then soldering it in place. With the needle on
the thumb tip it is easy to attach to the cork. I think the trick
in Elliott's book used a ball if I remember correctly. You can place
the cork on the tips of fingers and insert the needle then. Careful
with that needle though. I once ditched it by shoving the needle into
my leg...
Msg #3966 Dated 16:47:45 05-29-91 3958 <--> 3971
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
The Oblivion Pavillion ?
Msg #3967 Dated 16:47:48 05-29-91 3959 <--> 3972
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Yes, but isn't humanity part of nature?
Msg #3968 Dated 16:47:52 05-29-91 3961 <--> 3973
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MODEM!
Will try to time my next trip left to coincide with it then. A
fantasmagoria of computer stuff. Thanks again for taking me by.
Msg #3969 Dated 17:25:08 05-29-91 3946 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ALIVE OR WHAT?
I didnt' BRING a BRAIN? DUD
Msg #3970 Dated 17:27:48 05-29-91 -> 3974
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: NEWS
OK, is IMP ready to use? If so how to get, how to use. Am going broke
here and cannot continue my subscripton to MAGIC! at the current rate.
If I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel, then I must be in a
CAVE....
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRggggggggggggggggHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Msg #3971 Dated 17:27:42 05-29-91 3966 <--> 3979
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
What really bothers me is that their telecast of last year is now about
1/4 of the way to Alpha Centauri. The magi out there are gonna see it
and we'll NEVER be allowed to join their inner circle.
Msg #3972 Dated 17:29:35 05-29-91 3967 <--> 4014
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A FINE MESS!!!
Yeah, but it is a sub-set.
Msg #3973 Dated 17:30:14 05-29-91 3968 <--> 3986
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MODEM!
Anytime, Tabman. Nathan keeps talking about you. He'll be ready to
show you more magic when you come to the swap meet.
Msg #3974 Dated 17:30:58 05-29-91 3970 <--> 3988
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWS
Hang in until IBM and all will be made clear to you. Hey - ONE MORE
TIME - what day you flyin'???
Msg #3976 Dated 18:14:17 05-29-91 -> 4095
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: MISC. STUFF
I leave for Italy on fri so this will be the last time I sign on till
I get back...No fun just 5 days of work in Bergamo and home again. In
the mean time I have two items to put before you. One serious and one
for fun.
.
On the serious side, I do plan to begin modifications to MagicDB when
I return and your input on this is requested. Things to add, things to
delete...now is the chance to get your wish list answered if I can.
.
On the fun side a riddle for you all to contemplate until I return and
give you my answer.
.
Why is magic like sex?
.
Talk to you all on or about the 9th of Jne.....
Randy Lund
Msg #3977 Dated 18:21:03 05-29-91 3880 <--> 4005
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: JTN
Glad you liked it. The whole shoot took about 90 minutes; we wandered
up and down the boulevard, and covered a hell of a lot of territory. I
don't think the video lets you know just how hard it was raining during
much of it...
Msg #3978 Dated 18:22:00 05-29-91 3881 <--> 4145
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
The King routine is currently not available commercially, but will
probably be a marketed manuscript at some future point.
Msg #3979 Dated 18:22:53 05-29-91 3884 <--> 3982
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Your comments indicate that you think of magic as a purely visual
enterprise. It is, sometimes -- but rarely.
Msg #3980 Dated 18:23:48 05-29-91 3900 <--> 4072
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: 3308 ON 2986
What I brought up to Joe was that there are really three types of
"impromptu" magic:
1. Purely impromptu, where there is no preparation whatsoever, and the
performance is improvised using only the materials at hand.
2. Augmented, where the performer has some secret materials which are
brought into play (e.g., a thread hook-up; a Topit; a thumb-tip) in
conjunction with the materials at hand.
3. Faux, in which the performer rings in his/her own materials but
gives the impression that it is an impromptu situation.
I make no value judgement on the relative merits of the above. My point
to Joe was that it was essential to define the terms in advance. If,
for example, the second category is allowed, it is unfair to the fellow
who enters the contest assuming the first category. So, the rules would
have to be very carefully explained to avoid this problem.
We discussed some other aspects, but this was the key point.
Msg #3981 Dated 18:29:38 05-29-91 3901 <--> 4025
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: #3336
I was certainly not making any specific accusations toward the IBM or
any other particular organization. However, deliberate promotion or
not, the ranks of the IBM have swelled tremendously over the past
decade, and it is clear that a significant percentage of the members
have a significantly limited background in magic. Personally, I wish
that _all_ of the clubs would create higher standards.
Msg #3982 Dated 18:32:13 05-29-91 3916 <--> 3983
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Well, I have two or three hours of material specifically designed for
the medium of radio, and several hundred hours of on-air experience...
Msg #3983 Dated 18:33:28 05-29-91 3958 <--> 3985
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
You're close; actually, the name of the 1000-seat Broadway theater
where they're currently playing to full houses at $40 top is the
"O'Neill."
Msg #3985 Dated 20:43:25 05-29-91 3971 <--> 3990
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Maybe Penn and Teller ARE from outer space???
Msg #3986 Dated 20:43:28 05-29-91 3973 <--> 3996
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MODEM!
I must tell you that your son in many ways made the trip for me. It's
such a pleasure to be around such a smart and well behaved youngster
after viewing moron children at the grocery store here. Most people
put more thought behind what they're gonna have for supper than they
do into how they shape their children. Not You Guys though. Not many
2.5 year olds who can run their own mouse driven computer from a
high chair. And when he said, "Tabman, help me please!", that cracked
me up, and the cool shades. Tell Nathan that tabman sez hello!!!
Msg #3988 Dated 20:43:57 05-29-91 3970 <--> 4030
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWS
I'll send you a copy of Ver 5.17.1 if you want. Some improvements
have been made since this version, though I'd imagine the basic
operation of the upgrade will be essentially the same. This one needs
stuff like word wrap which Jerry sez he's taking care of, etc and
with my version of Procomm it is essentially manual, but with a
few (20 or so) keystrokes I can come online and RC;* the new message
base and then G for goobye....a few keystrokes and I'm shelled into
IMP and view and respond to those messages.....a few strokes and I'm
back in Procomm and dialing for MAGIC!....when I get online after
name, password, etc at the main prompt I simply upload the file
I created with IMP and it auto responds to all messages I answered.
When upload is over I just "G" and I'm outa here...will send over
2 U.....
Msg #3989 Dated 20:45:06 05-29-91 -> 4248
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: GOTCHAFAX
Thanks for the fax xmission. Clears much up and look forward to more
information as it is revealed.....
Msg #3990 Dated 20:52:54 05-29-91 3982 <--> 3994
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
You may think I'm crazy but why not record some shorties and
syndicate them to all night trucker radio. Actually the potential
audience is probably quite large. There used to be a hippie program
called "The Renaisance Hour" syndicated out of The Rennisance
Community located in Turners Falls, Massachusetts with all kinds of
"far out" stuff. I would hear it at 2 - 3 in the morning in 50k
watters all over the USA. A few years ago I was buying time on the
Satcom II satellite - 30 min a week - and giving the program away
just to see if I could do it. The Tidewater Report ran in 18 states
on mostly college radio featuring whatever Tabby Crabb wanted to do
that week. Fordham Univ radio did reruns for 6 mo last year but I
let it die cuz the satellite bills were killing me. I tried to get
the state to underwrite it through the tourism dept but they said
they didn't want the kind of people who listened to my show to come
to Maryland. Then they asked ME to move. I guess I shouldof never
gotten into that thing with the MX diseased oysters and all the R
Rockfish dying from the polution in the bay, though I notice that
they've cleaned things up some since then. What does this have to
do with magic??? Ask Mr. Marconi. What nonsence....SAY....you and
I need to talk soon!!
Msg #3991 Dated 21:00:03 05-29-91 -> 4074
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I FORGET
Pete --
The quote re your linking ring routine is from Lou
Derman's book, ADD COMEDY TO YOUR ACT! (subtitled: A
complete guide book for professional comedians and
magicians), page 3. Copyright Lou Derman, 1972. The
book sold for $6 and is my all time favorite book on
routining magic, handling audiences, etc. Just great
stuff, and most valid today. I've long thought that
someone who knew Lou should put out a book that
contained (a) the contents of ADD COMEDY TO YOUR ACT!,
(b) Lou's complete Friday Night Lou act that he did at
the Magic Castle, (c) the best of his Linking Ring
columns, and (d) anything else he might have written
that I missed. I approached Mike Caveney with the idea
once, but Mike was too busy to tackle it.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #3992 Dated 21:18:20 05-29-91
From: STEPHEN A SPARKS
To: ALL
Re: CATCHING UP
Thanks for the various replys to msgs that I've thrown on here - if
I haven't commented or gotten back to you on something - please wait.
Since I got on this system last week - I have been down-loading all
msgs here and am reading them as time will allow. Having a coin/sports
card shop - we are entering our busy season with the kiddos almost out
of school. -- Last thing I got to read was about the poster of
various magicians that is available in England. The folks, my wife and
I are off to
England on July 23rd for a cruise of 10 days - will be in England for
3 days prior to leaving and hope to get in some sights. If those of
you that have already been there have any suggestions (magic-wise)
please let us know SAS
Msg #3994 Dated 21:41:18 05-29-91 3983 <--> 3995
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Hmmm... No doubt it was once a legitimate theater...
Msg #3995 Dated 21:43:04 05-29-91 3985 <--> 4023
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Deported from some civilized planet for bad humor... Interesting
posibility. You know, some of this stuff is getting serious. A bank
in Texas has already filed for the right to place an ATM on the moon.
They figure that by the time the paperwork clears there will already be
a settlement there. And I've already signed one contract that turned
over "Universe wide" rights to one of my products - I seriously tried
to argue them back to just "Worldwide," but the client insisted on
rights to market the product throughout the Universe.
Msg #3996 Dated 21:49:37 05-29-91 3986 <--> 4053
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MODEM!
Yeah, most of the time he is a fun guy. And he does talk about you all
the time. He was really impressed when there were, as he puts it,
"FOUR magicians in the house! Tabby Crabb, Burt Carpenter, Daddy, and
me!" He also explains, "Mommy is not a magician, but she claps and
goes 'Yey!'" For the past week or so he's been trying to work out some
kind of card trick, but he won't tell me what it is. Will give him
your regards.
Msg #3997 Dated 22:04:58 05-29-91 3871 <--> 4004
From: RICHARD HART
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: RUN DON'T WALK!
Did you get a chance to see all those nifty optical illusions Jerry
totes around with him? He keeps pulling them out of that case of his,
and each one is more spectacular that the last! Don't miss 'em!
Msg #3999 Dated 22:38:25 05-29-91 3886 <--> 4027
From: JIM SISTI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RD...
I'm about 40 minutes north of there (right above New Haven). Let me
know details and perhaps we can get together. By the way... DO NOT
miss Penn and Teller. I was leery of them until I saw the show. You
really have to see them live to form an intelligent opinion. What I
saw at the Eugene O'Neill was two hours of magic theatre. Any opinion
from any who haven't seem them live really have to be dismissed.
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