MAGIC! - 30
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Msg #4500 Dated 22:00:33 06-02-91 -> 4507
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CHOP CUP REVISITED
Tabby...thank you for trying. Your package arrived but the desired
results have been frustratingly elusive.
My dwindling patience has brought me to the point of a very simple
solution...(why didn't I think of this before?)...basic structural
alteration!
Anyone in the market for a pile of Rings'N'Things overly magnetic metal
filings?
.
'Wayne "This Cup Is Chopped" Powers.
Msg #4501 Dated 22:14:09 06-02-91 -> 4504
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG NOW?
Whether not getting to see your reply is "normal" or not depends on
your communications software. I know that in QModem 3 it was normal
not to see your upload appear on the MAGIC! screen although you did see
it during the upload process. Disconcerting until you got used to it.
That doesn't happen in the newest version of QModem (4.2f). If it
works, don't fix it!
Msg #4503 Dated 22:32:02 06-02-91 -> 4508
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
Modem Commando? U mean IMP!?
Msg #4504 Dated 22:32:07 06-02-91 -> 4533
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG NOW?
I just logged on and don't see the messages I recently sent. Oh, wait
I already read them once before... duh... my brain is really ded.
Msg #4505 Dated 22:32:13 06-02-91 -> 4510
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORE
Thanks for clarification. Somewhere my dead brain thought Asparagus
valley was FIVE folks... hmmmm.... I know P&T DO APPEAL to a wider
group, but their own age group is predominant.
Msg #4506 Dated 22:32:19 06-02-91 -> 4509
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
No longer avail and U BET it gets cold. I only inflate ONE BALLOON
with it in a comedy routine. The balloon inflates in my hand as I am
trying to blow one up conventionally... GAG I USE NOT FOR PUBLICATION
as it IS MINE!!!!
Msg #4507 Dated 22:32:27 06-02-91 4500 <--> 4550
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CHOP CUP REVISITED
You didn't buy a new one at the Castle Swap Meet? Tsk. Har. Argh.
Msg #4508 Dated 22:33:23 06-02-91 4503 <--> 4549
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
"Modem Commando" were the instructions that the Tabman was supplying
prior to IMP! Both remain valid - you just add IMP! to Tabman's power
tools.
Msg #4509 Dated 22:34:59 06-02-91 4506 <--> 4521
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Only one balloon. OK. Thanks. Think I have something around here
that would do that. But wouldn't work when you have to inflate 50 to
100 balloons at a kid's party.
I also have a can of hydrogen - a souvenier of the Hindenburg disaster
- that I might try when people try to stiff me for a fee.
Msg #4510 Dated 22:43:25 06-02-91 -> 4515
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORE
I was truly saddened to read your reply, Max. In theory it says that
there is no level of moral depravity to which you would not sink either
in pursuit of your muse or in pursuit of a dollar.
Msg #4512 Dated 22:47:06 06-02-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DIALLING TO US
Wow!, Arnaud! I'm impressed with your new interface program. It
sounds great! Would your version work for me in reverse? So that I
could log on to MAGIC-NL, download the messages and properly add them
to the MAGIC! message base?
Glad to see that you finally found a connection thru BT-Tymenet. I'd
been trying to deal with Telenet and had suggested that to you (I
believe I'd even mentioned Tymenet once upon a time), but I will also
call Tymenet and see what they are offering. Could come very in handy
during FISM, when we will be looking to MAGIC-NL for the latest
on-the-scene news.
Again, congrats on the new tools!
Msg #4513 Dated 22:51:12 06-02-91 -> 4523
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Thanks, Dante. Bill was hawking them and indicating that the Castle
was getting a share. They were nice.
Msg #4514 Dated 23:03:53 06-02-91
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: STEPHEN A SPARKS
Re: MAGIC BOOK CLUB
Thanks for the info on the Magic Book Club. I
can understand why your hesitant now. I would
wait till August and see what happens.
Msg #4515 Dated 23:58:13 06-02-91 4510 <--> 4518
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
My comment meant nothing of the kind.
First of all, I'll ignore your "pursuit of a dollar" remark, as so far
as I understood this discussion it had to do with art, not commerce.
Now, as far as morality is concerned, I (as most people) indeed have
standards which I adhere to. This has to do with being a human being,
not an artist. It makes perfect sense for an artist to hold to the same
moral code in his/her art that he or she holds in general. It does not,
to me, make sense to alter that code because someone might decide to
choose you as a role model.
Msg #4516 Dated 0:02:17 06-03-91 -> 4537
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SYSOP
Re: DELETION
This is in response to your private message to me, concerning the trick
of mine which was tossed onto this board. The issue has nothing to do
with the fact that I was the one who invented it; it would be equally
wrong no matter whose work it was.
No, I do not feel I was overly harsh. I think it's wonderful for people
to trade ideas and information, but not to cavalierly place an idea
into a public forum when you don't know where it comes from, and thus
don't know the propriety involved.
There are tricks and ideas which have passed into the "public domain,"
and there are those that have not. Surely, there is a gray area
somewhere in the middle, but "Kirigami" is not within it.
I appreciate your offer to delete the description, but as I noted in my
prior comment the trick as described is incorrect, so I suppose it may
as well stay on-line.
The bottom line is that the trick _has_ been published, and as such it
is something that some people have paid for the right to perform.
Msg #4518 Dated 0:27:57 06-03-91 4510 <--> 4530
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
I was totally baffled by your message #4510 to Maven. If it was
intended humorously, it wasn't phrased in a way that made that clear --
and if you intended it seriously, I am not sure I understand what
you're saying at all. I trust you are NOT saying there is "moral" and
"immoral" art, or that art should be pedagogical in nature or purpose;
that's the kind of thing that inspires (if that's the word) the sort of
thing the Chinese currently do -- plays about tractors...
Msg #4521 Dated 0:56:46 06-03-91 -> 4528
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Good -at least you know who you are ! That's perfectly acceptable, I
on the other hand am seeking the path to TRUE magic (whatever that
is - still in search mode).
Msg #4523 Dated 0:56:55 06-03-91 -> 4524
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Gads are you quoting 'elitists' again ? Just kiding - he is one of my
heroes - well said.
Msg #4524 Dated 0:57:02 06-03-91 -> 4525
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Damn - I saw them and when I went back they were gone - maybe we can
share.
Msg #4525 Dated 0:57:09 06-03-91 -> 4526
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Try turning off echo - sometimes the BBS does goofy things, but the
upload yurns out OK.
Msg #4526 Dated 0:57:17 06-03-91 -> 4527
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Be careful Evan may have an aversion to ( as well as ", we don't want
to get that started again.
Msg #4527 Dated 0:57:24 06-03-91 -> 4546
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Anything that happens to show up will find its way into the box, this
could become mind blowing if enough stuff shows up. He might become a
believer.
Msg #4528 Dated 0:57:31 06-03-91 -> 4529
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Also known as mis-direction I presume.
Msg #4529 Dated 0:57:37 06-03-91 -> 4542
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
I always thought balloons were for wimps, until Suds gave a lecture
on balloons and I TRIED to blow one up. Since that time time I have c
hanged my opinion. People that do balloons have leather lungs and are
real macho.
Msg #4530 Dated 0:57:44 06-03-91 -> 4535
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORE
P&T do what they want to do. It turns out that a lot of people like
it as well and they are commercially sucessful. Isn't the the mark of
a true arttist to do what he must regardless of what others think ?
Msg #4531 Dated 0:57:50 06-03-91 -> 4569
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PAPER BALLS
Here we go again. Your defintition of magic is obviously different th
an mine. I saw syldini do it at the NY seminar several years ago - an
d yes it was magic - but not in the classical sense. It was magic to
watch the master.
Msg #4532 Dated 0:57:56 06-03-91 -> 4667
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Jeez Max lighten up !
Msg #4533 Dated 0:58:00 06-03-91 -> 4570
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG NOW?
Turn off echo mode and you won't worry about it. The system is doing
it not IMP.
Msg #4534 Dated 0:58:04 06-03-91 -> 4556
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHARACTER ASSASSINATION
Aha - now it all becomes clear, I don't run in expert mode. I also
recommend everyone turn off echo as the display you get looks goofy,
but the messages are input correctly.
Msg #4535 Dated 2:00:40 06-03-91 4515 <--> 4536
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORE
As usual, your message deserves more than a quick response at around 2
a.m. when I have just finished battling the system. I will reply
later. However, my "pursuit of a dollar" comment was intended to be
generic and was certainly not intended as an insult.
Msg #4536 Dated 2:02:50 06-03-91 4518 <--> 4558
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MORE
Great - now I'm being chased all over the system by the heavy Kahunas!
Same basic response as I made to Max - your message deserves better
than I can offer at the moment. Will respond later.
Msg #4537 Dated 2:04:25 06-03-91 4516 <--> 4571
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DELETION
I agree that it would be equally wrong regardless of who's work it was.
And I think that you know that the policy here is to NOT allow the work
of others to be published without their consent. I just felt that in
reading Scott's message it was possible that his kindly Uncle had
taught the effect to him and that he was unaware that it was not a
family heirloom. When we can catch such occurrances, we need to make
sure that they are corrected - but I don't think Scott appeared to
deserve the heavy swat you gave him.
Msg #4538 Dated 2:06:39 06-03-91 -> 4548
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SYSOP
Re: TV
By the way, did you happen to watch the Tony Awards earlier tonight?
Msg #4542 Dated 2:14:08 06-03-91 4521 <--> 4543
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
I've given up on trying to be much more than I am. I make it a goal to
learn new things, but at my advanced age my brain cells are dying off
faster than I can learn stuff.
Msg #4543 Dated 2:15:56 06-03-91 4528 <--> 4544
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Yep! Is it working?
Msg #4544 Dated 2:17:12 06-03-91 4529 <--> 4564
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Yep! On the other hand, there is a petite gal named Myke who can blow
up 50 Qualitex's without even turning pink! Apparently, leather lungs
and macho can come in some unusual packages.
Msg #4546 Dated 2:19:54 06-03-91 4523 <--> 4547
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
I thought I'd earlier announced that I was an elitist. As long as the
criteria for forming the elite suit me. And NO, I am NOT going to get
into a discussion of those criteria here on MAGIC!
Msg #4547 Dated 2:21:24 06-03-91 4524 <--> 4551
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Did you want the left or right one?
Msg #4548 Dated 2:22:56 06-03-91 4538 <--> 4572
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TV
No.
Msg #4549 Dated 2:27:30 06-03-91 -> 4563
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
What table?? (just kidding) Ready this week and out to you.
Msg #4550 Dated 2:27:35 06-03-91 4500 <--> 4557
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CHOP CUP REVISITED
Send them to Pete Biro for his ring grinder!!
Msg #4551 Dated 2:27:39 06-03-91 -> 4552
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
He's an unusual kid, that's for sure. If he has a sense of honor
at 2.5 YOA then I'm all for him. Tell him I gave you permission to
use "that's cool!" and that I said "that's cool."
Msg #4552 Dated 2:27:46 06-03-91 -> 4553
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
I need the .DOC file for old procomm so I can write a .CMD file for
auto operation. I've been playing this software "by ear" and have
never seen any doc, but need one now. Any body got the DOC file.
Msg #4553 Dated 2:27:53 06-03-91 -> 4554
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
You can always turn it "ON" again, though.
Msg #4554 Dated 2:25:58 06-03-91 4525 <--> 4560
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Excuse me, Jerry. But MAGIC! does NOT do "goofy things." There are a
wide variety of communications programs out there that do goofy things
and the effects that people are seeing are created by those - NOT by
MAGIC! We work very hard to make sure that MAGIC! does not do "goofy
things." I would not be here at this hour except for that effort.
Msg #4555 Dated 2:27:58 06-03-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP
You too?
Msg #4556 Dated 2:28:05 06-03-91 -> 4580
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHARACTER ASSASSINATION
What war?
Msg #4557 Dated 2:28:09 06-03-91 4500 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CHOP CUP REVISITED
BTW, just keep (or chuck) the degausser. We tried, huh? Sounds like
you had a great time at the Castle. From all indications it was a
pretty special day alla way around.
Msg #4558 Dated 2:28:16 06-03-91 4530 <--> 4559
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MORE
There's lots of junk thrown around under the guise of "art." When I
used to think of myself as an artist, my standards weren't nearly as
high as they are now that I think of myself as a "craftsman" or maybe
that's a copout too, I don't know.
Msg #4559 Dated 2:28:25 06-03-91 -> 4565
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORE
The true artist's only responsibility should be to his/her art.
Msg #4560 Dated 2:28:31 06-03-91 4525 <--> 4561
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Try closing your eyes and waiting for the beep.
Msg #4561 Dated 2:28:37 06-03-91 4526 <--> 4566
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Looks like we'd better change that 10 to a 58 judging from the sysops
recent message,,,,,
Msg #4562 Dated 2:30:00 06-03-91 -> 4582
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SYSOP
Re: PACE CHARACTER
Much better. Great!! PETE:::Change it to 58!!
Msg #4563 Dated 7:59:50 06-03-91 4508 <--> 4577
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
Power tools? I thought El Tab was an "olde world" craftsman using a
whittlin' knife, and two-thousand year old rubbing compound (dirt!)
Msg #4564 Dated 7:59:56 06-03-91 4509 <--> 4567
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Yeah, and at about a half a buck apiece it would cut into your net
profits... har
Msg #4565 Dated 8:00:03 06-03-91 4510 <--> 4568
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Sounds like the average magician to me!!!!
Msg #4566 Dated 8:00:08 06-03-91 4525 <--> 4573
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
I like echo (in the mountains) but will -- er have -- turned it all
off. I think all is good now. Hey, for a dummy like me to get a new
program running in the few days this took... all is good.
No Arrrgggghhhhh here....
Msg #4567 Dated 8:00:17 06-03-91 4529 <--> 4583
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
I would do balloons if I had cheek action like Dizzy Guillespe.
Msg #4568 Dated 8:00:21 06-03-91 4530 <--> 4574
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MORE
Do you really think P&T do what THEY want regardless of what others
think? I believe they are doing WHAT WORKS as a vehicle for their
performances. They have truly taken their own path, which is incred-
ibly rare in the magic world. Or the music world too, look how many
groups all look the same. Same hair, wardrobe, basic sound... the
real talents, like Phil Collins is DIFFERENT because he is plain
looking. But his music stands above the props, smoke and wildness
shown by so many others. As an observation (not a criticism) look at
Franz Harary -- doing "rock magic"a he looks like the average rock
music performer... yet Collins is a true star and nobody in magic has
tried to look like him. Weird analogy, but something I have noticed.
Msg #4569 Dated 8:00:37 06-03-91 4531 <--> 4602
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PAPER BALLS
I repeat...if Slydini had YOU in the chair it would have been the
strongest magic you could immagine.
I know that he doesn't always (er didn't, sorry) do this as a comedy
thing with the audience seeing it... as he often did this ONE ON ONE,
or with a small group, the audience being magicians that ALREADY knew
the effect, so he wasn't exposing anything.
Msg #4570 Dated 8:00:46 06-03-91 4533 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG NOW?
Yah, Yah, I I can can hear hear the the echo echo from from here here
Msg #4571 Dated 8:00:51 06-03-91 4537 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DELETION
Sometimes a HEAVY SWAT is needed... not just for the person involved
but for OTHERS to note... it sets up the rules.
Many people just do not realize what "rights" are. Like Cervon.
Msg #4572 Dated 8:00:58 06-03-91 4538 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TV
I only saw the screw up where Quinn had the WRONG award and tipped
off a BIG WINNER in advance.... Was there magic on it?
Hopping channels did see Copperfield re-run on Arsenio where he did
Harary's illusion and talked of his cut finger.
Msg #4573 Dated 8:01:05 06-03-91 4554 <--> 4575
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
"Goofy is OK, but Pluto (who once said, "Why have I been chosen to
remain mute, while all the other animals can speak?") you got to be
careful of.
Msg #4574 Dated 8:01:13 06-03-91 4559 <--> 4581
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
What if you have a Purchase Order?
Msg #4575 Dated 8:01:18 06-03-91 4561 <--> 4578
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Well thass 'cause he changed thangs at his end... and his end is...
Msg #4577 Dated 8:31:38 06-03-91 4563 <--> 4600
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
I certainly can't speak on behalf of the Tabman (except when he gives
me permission to do so), but I suspect that after a days labor with the
whittlin' knife and rubbing compound, he silently steals over to his
glowing monitor and revs up the electronic communications version of a
chain saw. The man has no mercy for the moguls of the phone system.
Msg #4578 Dated 8:33:33 06-03-91 4551 <--> 4579
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
I think you hit it! I'll show him your message.
Msg #4579 Dated 8:34:15 06-03-91 4552 <--> 4603
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Don't think I have too many ProComm doc files around here. Might have
the one for ProComm Plus. Know which one you are looking for?
Msg #4580 Dated 8:36:41 06-03-91 4556 <--> 4606
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CHARACTER ASSASSINATION
The one that was such a pain in the ASCII.
Msg #4581 Dated 8:39:33 06-03-91 4565 <--> 4589
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Professional or amatuer?
Msg #4582 Dated 8:40:46 06-03-91 4562 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PACE CHARACTER
OK - Glad we got it figured out.
Msg #4583 Dated 8:41:02 06-03-91 4564 <--> 4584
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Definitely! Does your device have a valve? Or is it a go/no-go type?
Msg #4584 Dated 8:42:22 06-03-91 4567 <--> 4595
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Truth is, if your cheeks are flappin' in the breeze you're doing it
wrong. There is an art to this stuff, you know.
Msg #4587 Dated 9:41:35 06-03-91 -> 4612
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SCANNER
Magical Publications uses Omnipage software with their scanner. I
remember Mike saying some "expert" (is that what you're studying?) said
Omnipage was really an excellent program - possibly the best. He's had
very good luck with it. It is true, though, unless you have a very
clear copy, you spend a lot of time cleaning up what you've scanned.
One of my jobs at Magical Publications! I'm drawing a blank on the name
of the scanner. Sorry...
Msg #4588 Dated 9:46:05 06-03-91 -> 5114
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MISC. STUFF
Does the riddle have something to do with wands?? Think I've heard
something along those lines before!
Msg #4589 Dated 9:46:53 06-03-91 4515 <--> 4590
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORE
I'm glad I waited, Max. Wearily I collapsed in bed last night.
But I restlessly tossed and turned. About two hours before dawn,
an erie golden glow, totally unlike that of an amber monitor, took
form within my room. Thalia appeared before me. Dressed in a
shimmering, diaphanous gown, she slipped silently into my bed and
took me in her arms. I'll spare you the details of our tryst,
Max, but afterward, when we lay smoking (yes, it is true one
smokes after sex with a Goddess) I said, "But I thought you were a
virgin."
"Yeah," she said, "they all think that. But I lost my virginity a
long time ago to Commerce. It was the night of our Senior Prom.
All of us, me, all my sisters, Aesculapius, and what's her name,
the gal from law. We had a ball! Besides, whatever gave you the
notion that we were pure? Dad ran a baudy house, you know."
"I'll bet," I said, "2400 baud at least."
There are additional details of our further couplings, but they
are not germane here. At dawn, she gently left my bed. She
walked toward the far wall and turned back toward me just before
it. She raised her arms and was surrounded by a golden glow. The
glow expanded as her sisters Clio, Euterpe, Melpomene,
Terpsichore, Erato, Polyhymnia, Urania and Calliope joined her.
Placing their arms about each other's waists, they frisked about,
Rockette style, as they sang Madonna's "Material Girl," followed
by "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun." As the last notes died off, the
glow, and the Godesses, faded.
Afterwards I realized that "Art" had left a long time ago - gone,
along with academe, professional ehics, high button shoes and "Il
faut souffrir pour etre belle." I know how it feels to discover
that Father Chanukah is a myth, Max. I trust that you will get
over it.
Msg #4590 Dated 9:49:09 06-03-91 4518 <--> 4597
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MORE
Admittedly, the terms "moral" and "immoral" may cloud the issue. I
used them in a particular context. It would appear, however, that you
are quite possibly an aesthetic subjectivist, while it would appear
that I lean towards aesthetic objectivism.
Msg #4591 Dated 10:06:36 06-03-91 -> 4599
From: PATRICE MOORE
To: ALL
Re: SWAP MEET
Sure wish you guys wore GREAT BIG hats with your names on them! So most
of the BBS was wandering around the swap meet and I didn't see one of
you! Big hats - yeah, that's the ticket. Maybe with flashing lights or
? I was there, too. The swap meets are so fun - so packed, so many
faces (famous and not). I shared a table with a couple of other folks
and even sold a book and about a dozen magazines. AND I got away
without spending a penny. Which is good since the week before I hit
Hollywood Magic and spent too much on a couple of books!
Those of you in town, and are history types, you must make it to the
Castle this week. John Gaughan will present two (I think 2) of his
automatons. I personally can't wait!
Msg #4595 Dated 12:14:49 06-03-91 4583 <--> 4624
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
I is ALL GO once you squeeze the handle. It uses a CO2 cartridge each
and every time. I use it for the stock ROUND balloons - in my card in
balloon stage effect. Close the show with it in comedy clubs.
Msg #4597 Dated 12:15:01 06-03-91 4589 <--> 4598
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
I don't know what kind of fumes your Monitor emits... but send some u
up here.... My dreams are of bill collectors chasing me in their hot
cars...
Msg #4598 Dated 12:15:07 06-03-91 4590 <--> 4601
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
I wish I knew what you "heavy dudes" were talking about!
Msg #4599 Dated 12:15:12 06-03-91 4591 <--> 4608
From: PETE BIRO
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
I think MAGIC! members should wear those little antaneas like they
have on dune buggies... high in the air with a little red flag on the
end, er top! Actually they are easy to spot. They have NO TANS, from
spending countless hours at the keyboard, while regular folk are out
at the beach this time of year! Har!
Msg #4600 Dated 12:42:08 06-03-91 4563 <--> 4626
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
The only thing "high tech" about the tabman shop is the tabman.
Hurumpfhhh.
Msg #4601 Dated 12:42:14 06-03-91 4568 <--> 4604
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Originality is the only thing that really sells big and is the only
way to make a BIG nitch in show biz. Look at all the copy cats in
any field, most of them are "also rans." It's the rat who gets there
firstest with the mostest who eats the cheese.
Msg #4602 Dated 12:42:22 06-03-91 4569 <--> 4628
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PAPER BALLS
Slydini was one of a kind as far as I can tell. One of those artists,
and he was an artist, who set the styles and the trends.
Msg #4603 Dated 12:42:27 06-03-91 4573 <--> 4605
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Jack Key sez, never forget which dogs bit you on the leg already.
Msg #4604 Dated 12:42:32 06-03-91 4574 <--> 4607
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
I'd prefer a cashier's check in advance.
Msg #4605 Dated 12:42:38 06-03-91 4579 <--> 4616
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Plain Jane Vanilla with no +
Msg #4606 Dated 12:42:42 06-03-91 4580 <--> 4630
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHARACTER ASSASSINATION
Tried it earlier today and it went up beautifully. The change is
a positive one. Not a glitch now. 58 it is. Thanks.....
Msg #4607 Dated 12:50:07 06-03-91 4597 <--> 4613
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Yeah, he's having some good dreams all right. I'm glad I can't re-
member what nightmare woke me up at 4 am EST but check the log, I
was on MAGIC!. Maybe he's been smoking some of those little fish
again.
Msg #4608 Dated 12:50:14 06-03-91 4599 <--> 4621
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
Palid with dark circles under everything. No color coordination
and squinty eyes. What was he smoking?
Msg #4611 Dated 15:18:59 06-03-91 -> 4632
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: PROBLEM
Glad to hear you are feeling better. You sure didn't look good at the
swap meet. Should have worn black.
David, I've asked you this before, but as an "expert", I want to ask
you again, even though you didn't have an answer the first time.
When reading the weekend messages I had downloaded, I found that the
file ended with # 4469, no where near the end.
What & where do I have Joe look ?
Msg #4612 Dated 15:53:16 06-03-91 4587 <--> 4633
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: SCANNER
Thank you, Patrice. What I'm really looking for is a scanner that will
read _only_ puntuation marks, and not text, as I am finding actual
thoughts too daunting lately, in light of punctuation, that is.
Msg #4613 Dated 16:00:04 06-03-91 4590 <--> 4627
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Objectivism breeds ugly images of Ayn Rand. Or is that images of ugly
Ayn Rand?
Msg #4614 Dated 16:08:23 06-03-91
From: EVAN KATZ
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: VISIT
Charlie--
Thanks for watching, but the New Years episode was not written by me.
I served as Story Editor on it, but should not be held responsible!
Msg #4615 Dated 16:09:22 06-03-91 -> 4634
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: CL WAITING
Burt--
Being able to beep over to your other line and call out is a feature of
three-way calling, not just call waiting. You can have call waiting
and not have three-way calling, but not the other way around. The two
features are bundled together frequently, but usually you have to pay
more to get three-way calling.
Msg #4616 Dated 16:10:28 06-03-91 -> 4617
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
How old is young Nathan?
Msg #4617 Dated 16:11:10 06-03-91 4526 <--> 4619
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Get "what" started again?
Msg #4618 Dated 16:11:27 06-03-91 -> 4683
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGICUNIQUE
Jerry--
There I went and CREATED a message containing thought on what made
magic unique, as you asked, and you didn't even respond!
Msg #4619 Dated 16:11:47 06-03-91 4579 <--> 4629
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Have you tried DataStorm's BBS? It's open to all Procomm users,
registered or not. The # is (314) 875-0503
I looked on my disks, and it seems there are no .DOC files. They come
in the book when purchased as a set.
David (the other one)
Msg #4620 Dated 16:45:07 06-03-91 -> 4635
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: TOPIT
Does anyone know where I can have a Topit made for my jacket in the
Glendale, North Hollywood area? I went to one alteration shop and the
lady didn't even want to try. Have any of you local folks had one made
up?
Msg #4621 Dated 16:49:07 06-03-91 4591 <--> 5034
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICE MOORE (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
Some MAGIC! members were wearing their buttons - 2-1/4" of bright
yellow with "818-896-7450 MEANS MAGIC!" in bold type. We will consider
flashing lights for the 1992 edition. But lemme guess - were you the
gal in the red mini-dress that I did notice? If so, it is a real pity
that you didn't introduce yourself!
Thanks for the reminder about John Gaughan - that should really be
something to see!
Msg #4624 Dated 16:54:15 06-03-91 4595 <--> 4645
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
I think I have one that might have a valve - maybe good for more than
one balloon, although I doubt it. Say, if you are using your technique
with ROUND balloons, is it considered a "significant variation" if I do
it with long skinny ones? Or do I still have to pay you a royalty?
Msg #4626 Dated 17:07:08 06-03-91 4600 <--> 4668
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
Low Tech is fine too, bwana devil.
Msg #4627 Dated 17:07:12 06-03-91 4601 <--> 4631
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
I like cheese. Just got a surprise 200 clams in the mail today. Well
it will buy some cheese. Sharp Cheddar to be sure.
Msg #4628 Dated 17:07:17 06-03-91 4602 <--> 4640
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PAPER BALLS
You got it. I used to Shill for him. He would teach me the killer
stuff and I would do it saying, "If a klutz like me can do it, boy
would you be great taking lessons from him!"
One of the great times I had was eating a meal with him that he cook-
ed (chicken was his specialty) and another was going to Mama Leone's
in N.Y. City with Tony and a "friend of his" from the "Organization".
Boy did we get GREAT SERVICE, and NO BILL!!!!!
Msg #4629 Dated 17:07:27 06-03-91 4603 <--> 4637
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
WHAT DOG, WHO IS JACK KEY?
Msg #4630 Dated 17:07:31 06-03-91 4606 <--> 4653
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CHARACTER ASSASSINATION
i WAS KINDA liking the glitches. Gave me something to scream at!
Msg #4631 Dated 17:07:35 06-03-91 4607 <--> 4639
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
Or big fish. Dreams... er... I have two recurring ones. The one (it
hasn't come back much lately) wuz me, as a kid hiding in a vacant
small town that was being overrun by lions.
The bad one was me at a major event of some kind being unable to find
a clean restroom! Think about that one.
Msg #4632 Dated 17:07:43 06-03-91 4611 <--> 4643
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PROBLEM
Did you put a quarter in the machine?
Msg #4633 Dated 17:07:48 06-03-91 4612 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SCANNER
Can we " you? Or as Victor Borga once said, PT. (Not much without
sound effect. (Phonetic Punctuation)!
Msg #4634 Dated 17:07:53 06-03-91 4615 <--> 4644
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CL WAITING
My three way calling is: 1> Standing, 2> Sitting, 3> Kneeling
Msg #4635 Dated 17:07:57 06-03-91 4620 <--> 4670
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOPIT
I had one made a long time ago. It is just simply to ask for a large
pocket to be put into the lining of the coat. Just call a couple of
tailor shops. The one I used (may be gone now) Was right off the 405
Freeway a half block west on Artesia Blvd. (I know it isn't Hollywood
but I am sure you can find one). You might try the oriental area in
and around Olympic, those tailors will do wonders.
One trick you might want to do is use a hook and eye instead of a pin
to hold the open top to your body. There is also a method using a
heavy piece of wire in the top edge. Gravity moves it where you want.
Good luck.
Msg #4637 Dated 17:56:16 06-03-91 4619 <--> 4641
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Thanks David. You got fme inspired with your .ASP file which doesn't
work with my older version of Procomm. Maybe I can get a discount
since the ver I'm using is years old.
Msg #4639 Dated 17:56:33 06-03-91 4627 <--> 4642
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Ummmmm. NY Sharp.
Msg #4640 Dated 17:56:38 06-03-91 4628 <--> 4658
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PAPER BALLS
Is Mama Leone's in the Village. I love the restaurants in that area
of the apple. We'll have to run up there sometime and have some good
pasta. Am driving my pickup to Nashville thus night and have a
stretch limo booked next day to take me and some guys down to Memphis
to see Bone Pony rock then pickuptrucking back to Hotel DeCarlo. What
a contrast. Done the limo run to the apple a coupla times for lunch
and thatz the way 2 go.
Msg #4641 Dated 17:56:47 06-03-91 4629 <--> 4651
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
He's the guy who said the line about the mad dog.
Msg #4642 Dated 17:56:52 06-03-91 4631 <--> 4647
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
When I dropped out of the Urban Cowboy Band I had a recurring dream
for years. I would be in my motel room getting dressed for a concert.
I'd pull on my skin tight Gilley's jeans, Gilley's cowboy shirt,
vest, Charlie One Horse Cowboy hat, Tony Lamas, etc and when I'd
open the door to walk out to get on the bus, the room would be
drifting out to sea. The land getting smaller and the bus pulling
away, but at least the room had a clean restroom.
Msg #4643 Dated 18:01:52 06-03-91 4632 <--> 4655
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PROBLEM
Yep. Sure did put a .25 in. Out came a card that said:
"If you want a good time, call........".
Msg #4644 Dated 19:08:21 06-03-91 4634 <--> 4656
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CL WAITING
Groan.
Msg #4645 Dated 19:10:10 06-03-91 4506 <--> 4646
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Actually, Pete, that exact gag/effect, that of the baloon automatically
inflating in one hand while you're trying to blow one up
conventionally, was published twenty-three years ago! I'm staring at
my 1968 May issue of Geni, and there it is, the self-same effect. The
creator is listed as "The Great Gutgel." Sorry.
Msg #4646 Dated 19:12:35 06-03-91 4645 <--> 4661
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Additionally, if you read "Gutgel" backwards, it is Leg Tug, which is
exactly what I was doing -- pulling yours, that is.
Sorry.
Msg #4647 Dated 19:44:25 06-03-91 4598 <--> 4648
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Ah, Biro-san, in this case if you don't know the names, you don't know
the dames.
Msg #4648 Dated 19:45:30 06-03-91 4607 <--> 4649
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
No need to check the log - I saw the Tabman signing on and off all
night.
Msg #4649 Dated 19:47:03 06-03-91 4613 <--> 4650
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MORE
My, but you are painting with a wide brush! I limited my objectivism
to aesthetic objectivism.
Msg #4650 Dated 19:48:35 06-03-91 4639 <--> 4659
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
NY Sharp? Betcha Biro goes for the good stuff - Tillamook!
Msg #4651 Dated 19:52:57 06-03-91 4605 <--> 4652
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
I'll look, but I don't think I have it. Don't happen to have a version
number, do you?
Msg #4652 Dated 19:54:27 06-03-91 4616 <--> 4678
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
He's now two and three-quarters years old.
Msg #4653 Dated 19:55:54 06-03-91 4606 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CHARACTER ASSASSINATION
Great! Glad to hear that engine 58 is runnin'.
Msg #4655 Dated 20:00:12 06-03-91 4611 <--> 4660
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PROBLEM
Please tell Joe that it is possible that there is a "glitch" in message
4469 - possibly an ASCII 27 character. I'd suggest that you skip the
message and download the rest of the messages by using the following
command:
RC;4470
That will allow you to get past the problem, if there is one.
Msg #4656 Dated 20:02:59 06-03-91 4615 <--> 4708
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CL WAITING
Actually, it depends on your local tariffs. I have three-way calling
and all sorts of other features, but NOT call waiting. Have your modem
call my modem and we'll do lunch.
Msg #4658 Dated 20:11:13 06-03-91 4640 <--> 4669
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PAPER BALLS
Yo, no problemo... if water hits and bone rides the pony... I am sure
the ol' tabber will fly agin!
Msg #4659 Dated 20:11:18 06-03-91 4642 <--> 4663
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
You can digit! Tony Lamas, eh. I always wanted boots but pointed feet
I don't have!
Msg #4660 Dated 20:11:24 06-03-91 4643 <--> 4770
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PROBLEM
And the answer was.....
Msg #4661 Dated 20:11:30 06-03-91 4645 <--> 4662
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Only 23 years ago... cheeez. Is there a real name to that? Actually I
don't claim originality to the "effect" it is a special order gaff I
got out of Europe. All that is 'MINE' is the sequence, the premise &
the patter...
Msg #4662 Dated 20:11:37 06-03-91 4646 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC UNIQUE ?
Arrrrggghhhh... I read it bass ackwards and didn't see LEG TUG. Heh.
Well, I stand by my story. Actually Karrell Fox, in one of his books
has a very simple method. He has a plastic tube going from the
balloon up your sleeve and down the other side. You blow into the
tube (secretly) trying to blow up a balloon in your right hand, and
the balloon in your left hand inflates. It is only good as an MC or
opening bit, as you have to be "set" ahead of time. But it is easy.
Msg #4663 Dated 20:11:48 06-03-91 4647 <--> 4664
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Rat.
Msg #4664 Dated 20:11:52 06-03-91 4648 <--> 4665
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
What was he wearing? Lama Boots? Tony, not the furry animal.
Msg #4665 Dated 20:11:58 06-03-91 4649 <--> 4666
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
I paint with a short haired roller coater. Never, never with a sparyh
correction SPRAY gun that comes as an attachment to a vacuum cleaner.
Unless you want art, then it is ok to use the sprayer. Har!
Msg #4666 Dated 20:12:05 06-03-91 4650 <--> 4672
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
You betchum Red Ryder... Tillamook it is. Right from the Mountains of
the Tillamook tribe of three card monte workers.
That made me think of a Mike Caldwell line. He had met the Ausie
Magician, named "Card Mondor" and said, later he met his brothers,
Silk Mondor, Rope Mondor.... arrrrrgggghhhhhh
Msg #4667 Dated 20:39:42 06-03-91 -> 4705
From: JIM SISTI
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Would you agree, Max, that "Kirigami" is "performable" by those who own
"Mind Games"? Just wondering, because there is no formal explanation
of the effect. I was just curious if you feel that the trick can only
be performed by those who have the manuscript, even if the method can
be doped out from the tape. BTW, where is it published?
Is it in one of your "color" books? (Incidentally, it's a hell of a
trick!)
Msg #4668 Dated 20:42:33 06-03-91 4549 <--> 4716
From: JIM SISTI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
Great! I've been looking forward to having a decent, classy practice
surface ever since my daughter chewed up (literally!) my big Apollo
mat. On another topic. . .the M.M. annual is done. The first six
issues have been bound together with introductions by Eric DeCamps,
David Acer and Neal Prete. I'm only printing 100. If you would like
one, it would be my pleasure to send you one.
Msg #4669 Dated 20:42:45 06-03-91 4640 <--> 4717
From: JIM SISTI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PAPER BALLS
Mamma Leone's is now located in the Milford Plaza Hotel, just a block
away from Times Square (I don't think it was ever in the Village). Le
t me know when you're in the Big Apple...it's only about 2 hours from
me.
Msg #4670 Dated 20:54:41 06-03-91 4635 <--> 4703
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOPIT
Thanks for the help in locating a tailor. I have tomorrow off so I'll
just drive around until I find someone who will do it. The pattern I
am using is Ammar's. It has a flap that tucks into the waistband. I'
am not familiar with any of the other methods you mentioned but I'm
sure one is probably as good as another as far as the working goes. I
like Ammar's flap and the pin and hook you mentioned as you are able to
easily put the coat on and get set or take it off without having to
fool around with a safety pin. Thanks again!
Msg #4671 Dated 21:00:09 06-03-91
From: STAN LAKE
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: AUDIO TAPE
It was nice to be able to meet you and Hannah at the Castle swap meet.
I purchased your tape "Making Magic Memorable" and you wanted to hear
what I thought about it. Well, as I'm sure you have heard many times,
it is a terrific tape full of very useful information I feel fortunate
that I am able to have material such as you have produced early on in
my magic learning. I am able to use ideas such as you have put forth
to make huge leaps and bounds away from mediocrity and towards perform-
ing magic that people will sit up, take notice, and remember as
something really special. I wish I had been able to come up with
something about it that you might find useful to improve upon in that
tape but as far as I'm concerned it is just great the way it is!
I'm also enjoying your new book. It's a quality product I'll use and
enjoy for years. Thanks!
Msg #4672 Dated 21:56:46 06-03-91 4663 <--> 4673
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
When did you get a Georgia accent? One of my teachers always said,
"Rat."
Msg #4673 Dated 21:58:04 06-03-91 4664 <--> 4674
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
If you want 'em answered, you gotta send 'em to the rat people, Biro.
I'm not in a Tony/animal discussion.
Msg #4674 Dated 21:59:55 06-03-91 4665 <--> 4675
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
I keep watchin' those ads for the Wagner power roller. Looks good in
theory. I wonder if it really works? Someday I gotta paint this
place!
Msg #4675 Dated 22:00:59 06-03-91 4666 <--> 4701
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Arrrrgggghhhhh! By the way, you never told me if using the gaff from
long twisty balloons was OK.
Msg #4678 Dated 22:12:58 06-03-91 4547 <--> 4679
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Makes no difference, I want to use one as a pendanrt.
Msg #4679 Dated 22:13:03 06-03-91 4554 <--> 4680
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Don't be so sensitive. May I should have said "It does some unexpecte
d things, when in echo mode".
Msg #4680 Dated 22:13:14 06-03-91 4560 <--> 4681
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
I turned off echo, so now I don't see it. It's more like magic, all
you see is the line counter changing. I'll get used to it I'm sure.
Msg #4681 Dated 22:13:23 06-03-91 4566 <--> 4682
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Good glad to hear it.
Msg #4682 Dated 22:13:29 06-03-91 4637 <--> 4685
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
I'll mail you a Procomm 2.43 with the latest version of IMP tomorrow.
It has the doc file in it.
Msg #4683 Dated 22:13:37 06-03-91 4618 <--> 4868
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGICUNIQUE
Right - sorry I've been into other things, will go back and read your
response and respond accordingly.
Msg #4685 Dated 22:17:34 06-03-91 4678 <--> 4687
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Gotta be honest - sorry, I passed 'em up too! They would have resulted
in a different color/card on each ear and asymetrical earrings have
deeply disturbing psychological meaning.
Msg #4686 Dated 22:17:12 06-03-91 -> 4689
From: JOHN JOLLY
To: SYSOP
Re: WHAT THE HECK
Wow, David, I just captured a bunch of real garbage...I usually have NO
trouble and only rare line noise. The stuff tonight was
incomprehensible. Is something different?
thanks...I'll go read what I can.
......................!poof!
Msg #4687 Dated 22:19:08 06-03-91 4679 <--> 4718
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
OK, "Echo Mode" is in the user's software, not in MAGIC!
Msg #4689 Dated 22:21:35 06-03-91 4686 <--> 4737
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JOHN JOLLY (X)
Re: WHAT THE HECK
Nothing is different tonite that I'm aware of. There were some odd
messages while people were testing IMP - messages with other message
headers in 'em. Is that what you are referring to? If not, if you
could send me a sample as an unloaded FILE, NOT as a message, I'll take
a look at it.
Msg #4692 Dated 22:46:11 06-03-91 -> 4698
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Disappointed that you missed that "something special" at the Magic
Castle Swap Meet? Okay...I've uploaded a short list of some really
nice magic stuff at great prices...dowload "WAYNE.LST" to see if
there's anything for you. Also...I'm looking for a nice set of copper
cups & balls by Morrisey, if anybody has a set to sell or trade.
(Please...no smartypants comments about magno-crazed chop cup!)
'Wayne.
Msg #4695 Dated 23:08:00 06-03-91 -> 4696
From: JOHN JOLLY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Thank you for your reply, sir. I'm still having a bit of trouble,
lately it looks like duplicate messages are appearing on MAGIC! with
various message #s. Tonight, 80% of the messages were garbled
to such an extent that IMP! crawled off in the weeds and died trying
to extract the text. TWICE! I'ze Regusted!
later,
jj
................!poof!
Msg #4696 Dated 23:08:07 06-03-91 -> 4697
From: JOHN JOLLY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Jer, Most of the original 4413 was trash when I tried to capture it.
There appears to be a duplicate 4413 two messages later. Without re-
checking, is there a possibility MAGIC! is resending messages or are
there actually duplicates (David, if you're listening, you can probably
answer this one). Like I mentioned to Tabby, IMP! locked up my pooter
big time trying to extract text from this session. I don't like to
re-map incoming characters (I like BBSs with fansi ansi) but...but...
but... Oh well. Thanks for your patience in testing IMP!. I really
do enjoy using it. See reply to 4416
jj
..................!poof!
Msg #4697 Dated 23:08:15 06-03-91 -> 4723
From: JOHN JOLLY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Jerry, I'm u/l this ascii with 10ms line pace, 0 char pace, UNexpanded
Msg #4698 Dated 23:08:39 06-03-91 4692 <--> 4699
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Wayne's list is now available in the MAGIC! files area as WAYNE.LST
Msg #4699 Dated 23:35:38 06-03-91 4692 <--> 4722
From: RICHARD HART
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Yea, Wayne. Hang onto an Amazring and an Alchemist's Dream for me,
will you? Perhaps we can meet at the Castle and complete the
transaction?
_richard
Msg #4701 Dated 23:46:06 06-03-91 4590 <--> 4709
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
It was the context that had me puzzled, as you coupled it with that
stuff about "role model" which implies moral judgments. I trust you do
not mean to imply that any art or artist should be judged according to
a moral yardstick.
Msg #4703 Dated 23:59:55 06-03-91 4620 <--> 4732
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOPIT
The only person I know of competent in both magic and sewing for this
kind of job is Lynn Healy in San Francisco, who's tailored a few -- but
since she doesn't need the money, being a highly successful programmer
(and that doesn't mean it would be cheap), you might have a tough time
persuading her to do it. Done right, it is a tough job.
Msg #4704 Dated 0:15:05 06-04-91 -> 4710
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FILE PROBLEM
For some strange reason we are having a problem with the files area.
I'm working with programming to fix it. May take a day or so.
Msg #4705 Dated 0:17:09 06-04-91 4667 <--> 4706
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
"Mindgames" is a performance video. Owning the tape does not give you
any right to the material, any more than buying a ticket to a show
would. "Kirigami" appeared in the Violet Book.
Msg #4706 Dated 0:31:12 06-04-91 4705 <--> 4715
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
So purchasing a book with the effect in it _would_ give the buyer the
right to perform effects within? And also purchasing a how-to magic
videotape?
...
Msg #4708 Dated 0:36:11 06-04-91 4656 <--> 4711
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CL WAITING
To: David Lichtman
Fr: Evan Katz
Tm: 12:04, PZT...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
This message to David Lichtman's MODEM was posted on MAGIC! 6/3/92...
TO: SYSOP'S MODEM
FR: EVAN KATZ'S MODEM
SUB: MODEM LUNCH
001 010111 00001110 10001 00101001 1010010 001 Spago 0011 00 10001
010110 Hamburger Hamlet 00010 100110 0011100 11 not Pizza Hut 001011 01
1001101 0101001 0000101 0101010.
Msg #4709 Dated 0:39:27 06-04-91 4701 <--> 4721
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MORE
I'll stick by my message (#4510). If there are no yardsticks for moral
judgement, then does that suggest that there is no bottom to the pit
which one may present as "art?"
Msg #4710 Dated 0:40:57 06-04-91 4704 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FILE PROBLEM
The file problem is confirmed as SERIOUS at this time. Let me explain:
There is NO PROBLEM with downloading any file IF YOU CAN ACCESS IT.
What we are loosing are NOT the files, merely the path to them. It is
intermittent and is appearing on the external test machine as well as
on MAGIC!
There is also NO PROBLEM with uploading files IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO
SO by the system.
The condition is temporary and has the highest priority for fixes right
now. Will keep you advised.
Msg #4711 Dated 0:44:50 06-04-91 4708 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CL WAITING
WOW! I didn't know you knew enough binary to say that! And
furthermore, I'm certainly glad you DIDN'T say it in plain text! Even
the lights on the modems are blushing!
Msg #4712 Dated 0:46:18 06-04-91 -> 4714
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: LUNCH!!!
THIS FRIDAY - JUNE 7TH, 1991 - THE MAGIC CASTLE
Charlie Randall, MAGIC! member from Houston, and partner in H&R Books,
will be the guest at a SPECIAL INFORMAL MAGIC! LUNCHEON at the Magic
Castle, beginning at 11:30 a.m.
PLEASE, PLEASE LEAVE ME AN R.S.V.P. IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO ATTEND. YOU
MUST NOTIFY ME BY 11:59 P.M. PACIFIC TIME ON WEDNESDAY, JUNE 5TH.
Let's have a nice welcome for Charlie!
Msg #4713 Dated 2:00:20 06-04-91
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: FLOYD THAYER
While doing some Houdini research, I found Floyd Thayers nephew. Hiis
name is Richard Thayer and he works for the Los Angeles Times. He would
like to more about his uncle. If you collect Thayer, or have any info
about his life, give Richard a ring. His phone number is: 213/237-6136.
Msg #4714 Dated 2:19:02 06-04-91 4712 <--> 4725
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH!!!
I will try to make it to the Friday lunch.
Msg #4715 Dated 4:31:50 06-04-91 4706 <--> 4825
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Of course -- that's how the system works.
Msg #4716 Dated 7:08:21 06-04-91 4668 <--> 4730
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
Sure, would love to have one for the lib, of course.
Msg #4717 Dated 7:08:25 06-04-91 4669 <--> 4731
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: PAPER BALLS
OK, we'll work it out one day and do lunch. I've gotta catch up and
all that right now, but later on this summer, maybe...
Msg #4718 Dated 7:08:30 06-04-91 4680 <--> 4719
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
It's called faith Jerry. At first it made me a little nervous too,
now, I'm used to it and trust they arrive AOK.
Msg #4719 Dated 7:08:36 06-04-91 4682 <--> 4736
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Great, Jerry. Thanks. I trust you'll be mailing it sans maggie this
time....
Msg #4721 Dated 7:08:50 06-04-91 4659 <--> 4733
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Get some with round toes, but make sure they're long enuff.
Msg #4722 Dated 7:08:55 06-04-91 4692 <--> 4738
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Thanks Wayne, I think I'll download the lst when I go back online
to dump this impfile.
Msg #4723 Dated 7:09:00 06-04-91 4695 <--> 4724
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JOHN JOLLY (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Looks like the struggles are just about over for the groundbreakers
who are using IMP!. Future users will benefit, I hope....
Msg #4724 Dated 7:09:05 06-04-91 4696 <--> 4727
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JOHN JOLLY (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
It isn't MAGIC! it is the tryers and learners but "all our trials,
will soon be over"......
Msg #4725 Dated 7:09:10 06-04-91 4712 <--> 4726
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH!!!
*I wanna come, but I can't*
Msg #4726 Dated 7:09:08 06-04-91 4714 <--> 4729
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: LUNCH!!!
Very good! We'll look forward to seeing you there.
Msg #4727 Dated 7:14:10 06-04-91 4723 <--> 4728
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
John's was a real problem, not IMP! related. Still puzzling it out.
Looks like some kind of buffer overload on his end.
Msg #4728 Dated 7:16:01 06-04-91 4724 <--> 4743
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JOHN JOLLY (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
John -
As I wrote a note to Tabby about the download problem you had,
something dawned on me - Check to see if you have something called
XON/XOFF turned off. If you do, turn it ON.
Msg #4729 Dated 7:17:45 06-04-91 4725 <--> 4746
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCH!!!
I don't think we're gonna use the Houdini Room for this one. Otherwise
I would say "Well, you'll be there in spirit..."
Msg #4730 Dated 9:14:15 06-04-91 4668 <--> 4826
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
How much for the annual?
Msg #4731 Dated 9:14:20 06-04-91 4669 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: PAPER BALLS
Sounds dreadful... the olde charm was 'THE PLACE' as well as the food
but when RA (Restaurant Associates) (el mob?) bought it, well your
guess is as good as....
Msg #4732 Dated 9:14:28 06-04-91 4670 <--> 4741
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOPIT
I figured you had the Ammar work. I also had one made with a hole in
the bottom so you could retreive things. It was open and close-able
with a flap containing a magnet.
Msg #4733 Dated 9:14:35 06-04-91 4672 <--> 4734
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Actually the entire phrase is "Rat Now" -- Bwa (Boy) arrggghhh
Msg #4734 Dated 9:14:40 06-04-91 4674 <--> 4735
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
The best way to paint ANYTHING is to DIP it in a large container.
Now, for the house... the hard part is getting the old paint off. I
did that with a blowtorch once. My dad and I built a shaky scaffold
around the place and struggled for a year! Argh was first heard then.
Msg #4735 Dated 9:14:49 06-04-91 4675 <--> 4740
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
I don't know what a long twisty balloon is. But there is only so much
CO2 and it is ONE SHOT... and sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
BOOM with cheep balloons.....
Msg #4736 Dated 9:14:56 06-04-91 4685 <--> 4751
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
One of the gteat funny bits is to look at a girl inquisitively and
say "do you always wear just ONE earring?" She will immediately go
for both ears with both hands.... TRY THIS ON SOMEONE.
Msg #4737 Dated 9:15:03 06-04-91 4686 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JOHN JOLLY (X)
Re: WHAT THE HECK
You are OK, there was garbage on line. I had just posted several new
messages!
Msg #4738 Dated 9:15:09 06-04-91 4692 <--> 4739
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
I didn't know Morrissey ever made NICE stuff. (OK, you said no smart
ass comments about Magnets... not quality...) Seriously! AS I recall
Morrissey's stuff was "light" in weight and frankly that is a bad
feature for working cups and balls. The WEIGHT has a lot to do with
being able to handle them. The Charlie Miller "mans" cup (made by
Magic Inc., Chicago 312-EDI BULL) was super heavy copper. The best
all around cups are the Paul Fox, great size, look, balance.
Msg #4739 Dated 9:15:20 06-04-91 4698 <--> 4752
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
I didn't think an actor could make it in the biz with a LST.
Msg #4740 Dated 9:15:25 06-04-91 4701 <--> 4748
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MORE
Boy we would be in DEEP trouble there T A-man!
Msg #4741 Dated 9:15:30 06-04-91 4703 <--> 4754
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TOPIT
Yep, Lynn would be the best there is at what she does. I would guess
that if you are really serious about it and want it right, you could
UPS the coat to her and get the best job. Time and money are not that
important, quality IS! If you are thinking of using her services to
do this and want to find out if she A: Will, B: Has the time, let me
know and I will try to reach her for you.
Msg #4743 Dated 9:15:57 06-04-91 4723 <--> 4744
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Nah, I think part of the learning curve is the struggle. I learned al
about MY Computer and how it works recovering from a CRASH. If it had
not crashed I wouldn't know nuttin.
I discovered a computer is NOT like a TV set, you don't just turn it
on to make it work. Har.
Msg #4744 Dated 9:16:06 06-04-91 4724 <--> 4745
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
I just got the TRIAL date for the Steve Baker vs. IBM. You want a
large AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Msg #4745 Dated 9:16:12 06-04-91 4728 <--> 4753
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
There seems to be a lot of TURN it OFF or TURN it ON going on here.
Is this anything like the Morality in ART?
Msg #4746 Dated 9:16:17 06-04-91 4729 <--> 4792
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH!!!
GG RR OO AA NN (Echo ON!)
Msg #4748 Dated 9:55:45 06-04-91 4733 <--> 4749
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Different use of the word. Different "spin" on the term.
Msg #4749 Dated 9:57:39 06-04-91 4734 <--> 4750
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
I was actually thinking about painting the inside, although the outsdie
does need it. Think I will leave the outside to a pro as you are right
- it needs sandblasting.
Msg #4750 Dated 9:59:00 06-04-91 4735 <--> 4758
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
I have a small welding torch that takes the same size cartridges and
that has a valve. May try it someday.
Msg #4751 Dated 10:00:17 06-04-91 4736 <--> 4772
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Interesting! I'll have to try that! Could be a useful piece of
misdirection.
Msg #4752 Dated 10:01:38 06-04-91 4739 <--> 4759
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
One of your recent messages almost looked like programming in LISP.
LISP was one of the early artificial intelligence programming
languages. One of the things you had to do with it was use a LOT of
nested parenthesis. The system would count the left and right parans
to make sure that all of the nests were closed. Some of us found out
that it was OK to have a SURPLUS of right parans so we would end a LISP
program with a bunch of 'em. Needles to say, one could get some
interesting and amusing results.
Msg #4753 Dated 10:12:47 06-04-91 4745 <--> 4761
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
I know Art. He is a fairly moral guy.
Msg #4754 Dated 10:17:36 06-04-91 4703 <--> 4755
From: STAN LAKE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TOPIT
Well it's worth a try to get ahold of Lynn Healy if I can. Do you have
an address or phone number? Thanks.
Msg #4755 Dated 10:21:51 06-04-91 4741 <--> 4757
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOPIT
I'm interested Pete. If I'm going to have it done I want it done
right! My phone number is (818) 768-6181. Address 9250 Sunland Blvd.
#11, Sun Valley, CA 91352. Thank you!
Msg #4757 Dated 10:32:52 06-04-91 4732 <--> 4779
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOPIT
Ammar's Topit design has instructions to cut a slit from the pocket
into the Topit. Does this allow you to retrieve things from the Topit
as easily as the magnetic flap you mentioned?
Msg #4758 Dated 10:26:17 06-04-91 4734 <--> 4763
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Actually, I just came across a published reference to "arrgh!" - an
early spelling. According to Stan Kelly-Bootle ("The Devil's DP
Dictionary," New York: 1981, Mc-Graw-Hill. ISBN 0-07-034022-6), it was
uttered as Pierre de Fermat's dying word. The complete phrase was "Ah,
pauve'cons, you zink zat my penultimate conjecture was incroyable . .
. mais, et c'est un grand mais . . . it is but un cas special of my
jolie petite troisieme lemmere, qu'on voit danser le long des golfes
clairs . . . arrgh!"
Msg #4759 Dated 10:38:20 06-04-91 4738 <--> 4777
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
I have some P&L Aluminum cups from when I was alost a kid and they
are kid sized too. Yeah, the Paul Fox Cups are man sized and hefty
but hard to get, especially right now since the guy who was machining
them for Jeff Busby has passed on. No doubt there will be another run
completed soon, though knowing Busby Magic.
Msg #4761 Dated 10:38:36 06-04-91 4743 <--> 4762
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
I "grew up" with computers at the right time as I got "brother in
lawed" into a cherry job programming IBM 360 machines in 1969 and
stuck withem ever since. I automated the first radio station in GA in
1970 - WRBL in Columbus, GA - since off the air (not my fault). The
entire experience has been a struggle since I'm not a techies. I am a
life artist and view Living as Art.
Msg #4762 Dated 10:38:44 06-04-91 4744 <--> 4766
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Cheeez, you guys going before a jury on that one. Can you do play by
play for MAGIC! and we'll have another first. Huh?
Msg #4763 Dated 10:38:49 06-04-91 4749 <--> 4764
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
We painted the outside of the Hotel DeCarlo and the tax man rode by
one day and doubled our taxes. DON'T DO IT.
Msg #4764 Dated 10:38:54 06-04-91 4750 <--> 4765
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
I need one of those little torches. Wanna swap for something?
Msg #4765 Dated 10:38:42 06-04-91 4740 <--> 4767
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
How about snuff-flicks? Justifyable as "art?"
Msg #4766 Dated 10:41:31 06-04-91 4761 <--> 4773
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
For three days and nights now, I've been trying to think of the call
letters for the 50Kw clear channel in the New Orleans/Slydell area.
Think it is WS something. You remember?
Msg #4767 Dated 10:44:08 06-04-91 4763 <--> 4768
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
Good point! But we have "Prop 13" here, unless the court overturns it
this week. Tax based only on price you paid for home, NOT on "value."
Msg #4768 Dated 10:45:26 06-04-91 4764 <--> 4774
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
Have you checked Radio Shack and the local electronics houses? Most of
'em have 'em.
Msg #4770 Dated 11:45:51 06-04-91 4655 <--> 4771
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PROBLEM
Gee thanks. That much I figured out. With that kind of advice, I,m
glad you're not my doctor. And I,m not suggesting that we played
doctor, Pete.
Msg #4771 Dated 11:56:33 06-04-91 4770 <--> 4795
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PROBLEM
You want techie? Ok, have Joe use a hexeditor on the file. Have him
change any ASCII 27 characters (1AH) to ASCII 20 characters (14H).
Msg #4772 Dated 12:32:09 06-04-91 4736 <--> 4775
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Then what do you say after she discovers she has both earrings on and
you are just being funny?
Msg #4773 Dated 12:47:34 06-04-91 4766 <--> 4778
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
WSM
Msg #4774 Dated 12:47:39 06-04-91 4767 <--> 4776
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Not here. Been doubling every year past 5. Ouuucccccccch, but I have
a plan to get even. Heh Heh..
Msg #4775 Dated 12:47:44 06-04-91 4772 <--> 4787
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
I was wondering the same thing.
Msg #4776 Dated 13:23:18 06-04-91 4750 <--> 4781
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Make sure you use "INERT" gas.... Actually, I once had made up by a g
uy in a race car shop a tank that you filled at the gas station with
air. You also put water in it and it had a valve. The unit fit inside
a rice bowl. I think the drawing ws in the MAGIC OF HOYAM. Dr. Albo
went crazy over it so I gave it to him for his collection. What the
effect was? Spurting rice bowl. A fountain of water spurted skyward
out of the bowl. You stole the load off the back of the table.
Msg #4777 Dated 13:23:30 06-04-91 4752 <--> 4790
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
I certainly hope so.
Msg #4778 Dated 13:23:35 06-04-91 4753 <--> 4783
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: RDMAGIC
I am trying A for apend for the first time. Lets see wha haps!
Msg #4779 Dated 13:23:41 06-04-91 4755 <--> 4780
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOPIT
I will pass this info on to Lynn. I am not sure where I have her new
address or number. Tommy Wonder, if you are reading do you have it?
Msg #4780 Dated 13:23:46 06-04-91 4757 <--> 4846
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOPIT
Well, it depends. If putting your hand in your pocket is OK, then it
is easier. The other (my gaff) works like a dropper at the bottom
edge of your coat.
Msg #4781 Dated 13:23:53 06-04-91 4758 <--> 4784
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Well, at last the true meaning/spelling of Arrgh!
Msg #4783 Dated 13:24:07 06-04-91 4762 <--> 4797
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
You betchum Red Rider. Only legal beagle say "No talkie yet --!"
Msg #4784 Dated 13:24:12 06-04-91 4765 <--> 4785
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Depends on your point of view. Everything can be art to someone. Argh
(short version, line wrap y'know)
Msg #4785 Dated 13:24:19 06-04-91 4767 <--> 4788
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Don't know about that... who the hey, sets the value????
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Oh, Chairman of the board at Goodyear retired today. New guy is from
Rubbermaid, and was on the Gyr Board... he is a "marketing maven" as
the press release say... hmmmmmm
Msg #4787 Dated 13:24:39 06-04-91 4772 <--> 4902
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
Take a card.
Msg #4788 Dated 13:24:44 06-04-91 4748 <--> 4798
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Yeah, I see, the left curser, but if the message isn't in THIS file I
OR CAN YOU KEEP APPEDING THE INCOMING MESSAGE BASE?
Msg #4790 Dated 13:42:58 06-04-91 4699 <--> 4791
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Okay, Richard. I'll be there this evening and will bring both.
Msg #4791 Dated 13:44:29 06-04-91 4738 <--> 4793
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Okay...you win...send me your set of Paul Fox cups!
sg #4792 Dated 13:49:54 06-04-91 4712 <--> 4815
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH!!!
I'll be at my regular Houdini Room Luncheon this Friday, but will be
delighted to join you guys afterwards for coffee and magic!
'Wayne.
Msg #4793 Dated 13:53:49 06-04-91 4699 <--> 4799
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
P.S. - After Richard's, I have one more Amazring. Alchemist's Dream is
now gone...Richard got it.
'W.
Msg #4795 Dated 15:22:50 06-04-91 4771 <--> 4816
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PROBLEM
ASC what?
Msg #4797 Dated 15:33:46 06-04-91 4783 <--> 4802
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
My atty tells me "No talkie ever --!"
Msg #4798 Dated 15:33:51 06-04-91 4784 <--> 4803
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
I don't see how you can set up a panel to decide what is art. The
soul of art is defined by intent, not meaning.
Msg #4799 Dated 16:15:40 06-04-91 4791 <--> 4800
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Which ones? The Brass, Copper, Silver Plated or the Chrome reg size, or
the Stage Size for baby Chicks (only have those in Brass). Then there's
the wooden ones, the Takagi single solid cup, the Abbott, the National
with liquid finish, the... er I actually collect em. The tiny ones in
a leather case... har... don't wan to maek yousik.
Msg #4800 Dated 16:17:28 06-04-91 4793 <--> 4804
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
What is Amazring?
Msg #4802 Dated 16:18:24 06-04-91 4797 <--> 4807
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
You have a better one than I, then.... arrgh.
Msg #4803 Dated 16:18:43 06-04-91 4798 <--> 4808
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
OK.... cheeesh... I just disocvered I am on line and forgot IMP! AH, ER
ZOUNDS!
Msg #4804 Dated 16:18:12 06-04-91 4799 <--> 4806
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Let's see...regular size...brass...or copper...heck, just send 'em
all...I'll sort 'em out!
'Wayne.
Msg #4806 Dated 16:19:48 06-04-91 4800 <--> 4822
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
check files area...downloadWAYNE.LST"
Msg #4807 Dated 16:56:08 06-04-91 4773 <--> 4867
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
Yeah! Thanks!
Msg #4808 Dated 16:57:59 06-04-91 4774 <--> 4809
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
Be interesting to hear the plan sometime. Have you already tried
sleight of check?
Msg #4809 Dated 16:59:08 06-04-91 4776 <--> 4810
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Yep. Figured I'd sub a CO2. Gotta find the darn thing.
Msg #4810 Dated 17:04:13 06-04-91 4784 <--> 4811
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Subjectivist!
Msg #4811 Dated 17:04:52 06-04-91 4788 <--> 4812
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Yep - you can keep appending it! JB has a file, now 4-Megabytes
long(!), with EVERYTHING. No forward or back is impossible! Better
ask him for details though - as you need to use the current file BEFORE
you append it to the big one, otherwise you always start reading back
at MESSAGE ONE last May!
Msg #4812 Dated 17:07:04 06-04-91 4798 <--> 4821
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
OK, you too - are "snuff flicks" then justifiable as art? And who said
anything about a panel?
Msg #4815 Dated 17:16:12 06-04-91 4792 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LUNCH!!!
OK, will look forward to seeing you.
Msg #4816 Dated 17:17:16 06-04-91 4795 <--> 4819
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PROBLEM
I believe the correct quote is "ASC not what your country can do for
you, ASC what you can do for your country!" Actually, ASC is to
computers whas ASA is to film, and ASCII is similar to the ASA speed.
There is a new expanded ASCII being developed that will be more like
ISO. Does that help?
Msg #4817 Dated 17:25:04 06-04-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: WAYNE'S LIST
Because of the problem with the download file area, I've decided to
post Wayne's list of items as a message. Please note his previous
message, in which he indicates that some itmes are already gone.
MAGIC LIST: JUNE 1991
Here's a list of magic items for sale. These are all NEW and
complete...none are used. I only have one or two of each, so be
sure to phone me to reserve any item you may want. (818) 994-7774
CRYSTAL FANTASY - Mage begins by displaying a crystal clear goblet
which he polishes inside & out with a silk. He takes out a packet
of cigarettes, removes one and, using the packet itself, seals the
mouth of the goblet by covering it. The silk is now draped over
the goblet. Stepping a few feet to the side, the mage lights the
cigarette and blows smoke in the direction of the sealed goblet.
After a few magical passes, the silk is removed and the interior of
the goblet is seen to be filled with a DENSE SMOKE! The goblet is
now tilted, allowing the slowly ebb from the glass. A great effect
done silently to music or with patter. No harsh chemicals, acids,
etc. Ready to perform at a moments notice. Entirely self-
contained and complete with gimmick, silk, glass, easy
instructions, PLUS A ROUTINE FOR THE NONSMOKER! Highly
recommended. Retail Price: $139. MAGIC! PRICE: $110.
MASSEY'S AMAZRING - A small box is shown and lid & bottom are
removed. There are two holes in opposite sides of the box through
which a ribbon or cord is threaded. Bottom is replaced and a
BORROWED ring is placed within the box and lid is put back on.
Spectator holds both ends of the cord and, upon removing top and
bottom, ring is found to be threaded on the cord! BOX AND CORD ARE
LEFT IN THE SPECTATOR'S HANDS! **REMEMBER THIS:** Box is freely
shown and handled, both ends of the cord are visible, ribbon is
threaded BEFORE ring is placed within the box. Spectator may
remove ring and exmine box after effect! Nicely made stained wood.
Retail Price: $32. MAGIC! PRICE: $25.
THE ALCHEMIST'S DREAM - Mage brings forth a small brass vial, a
magic potion and some metal filings. the filings are placed within
the brass vial, a drop of potion added and a cork seals the vial.
A slight shake, a magical word...the vial is emptied to reveal the
metal filings have changed to GOLD filings! These are returned to
the vial, more potion added, shaken, an incantiation...now a GOLDEN
NUGGET is produced from the vial! Vial may be examined as there is
nothing for them to find. Set includes all necessary filings,
golden nuggets, brass vial, handmade enameled box, complete
instructions plus suggestions for other effects using your
Alchemist's Dream vial! Retail Price: $40. MAGIC! PRICE: $32.
ULTIMA DECK VANISH PLUS! - A small walnut box containing a deck of
cards is displayed. The deck is removed & shuffled. Spectator
selects a card from the 52, memorizes it and returns it to the
deck, WHICH THE SPECTATOR SHUFFLES! He places entire deck deck in
card box and hands to Mage. Card box & deck are now covered with
an 18" silk, (supply your own), and held well above the table top.
All cards are again shown at this point. Mage states that he will
shake the box and ONLY the selected card will come out through a
slit in the end of the card box. Card box is again covered and
shaken. Suddenly, one card falls to the table, face down. Covered
box is set in front of spectator who is asked, for the first time,
to name his card. Tabled card is turned over and it proves to be
the selected card! "How was it done?" asks the spectator.
"Easy!..." Spectator is asked to uncover box & finds that THE
ENTIRE DECK HAS VANISHED! "...When it was the only card in the box
to begin with," claims the mage with a wink. Really astonishing
routine! Box may be examined. Supplied with detailed instructions
and easy-to-follow photographs. Complete with a deck of cards.
Retail Price: $22.50 MAGIC! PRICE: $17.50
PEERLESS RISING CARDS - This works on the classic "weight" system.
Completely mechanical and self-contained. EFFECT: Cards are
casually mixed and magician has three spectators freely select one
card each. Cards are returned to the pack and, after a magical
pass, one of the cards begins to rise out of the pack! Yes, it's
one of the selected cards. Second card rises while deck is held
within a clear drinking glass! Mage begins to put the deck away in
its Bicycle card case and is reminded of the third card...it then
rises from the card case which can be held by the spectator! No
strings to pull. No motors, wires, etc. Mage has complete
control. All hand-made quality throughout and ready to perform at
a moments notice! Retail Price: $22.50 MAGIC! PRICE: $17.50
REMEMBER: I only have one or two of each of these, so phone to
reserve whichever item(s) you may want. A little extra to cover
postage would be appreciated. Thanks.
'Wayne.
Msg #4819 Dated 17:57:32 06-04-91 4816 <--> 4831
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PROBLEM
In my office now are Mike King and Vicky Jo, who or is it whom you met
at the Tabby lunch.
Vicky Jo says to join the USO and to buy Macintosh.
I reminded her that the USO won't take people with green pants.
rust you are now over the flu. See you Sat/Sun downtown.
Remember, that if you were planning to bring the 2 3/4 don't, as they
don't let kids in.*u** * <{:O*n ;u-<{[} o/ */@o=
Msg #4821 Dated 19:18:13 06-04-91 4812 <--> 4829
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Problem is, if you set up some sort of criterion for what makes "art"
then what do you do when something new comes along. I don't think tha
art is classifiable. Art first must exist in the soul of the artist
before it manifests in some form. The "snuff flicks" question is a
loaded one. If the film was really produced as an artistic statement
then art it is, if however it is called art just to get past a law or
a censor then it is bullsh--. Now, that is a subject that a farm boy
knows something about. I am afraid of censorship and bookburning. I
am pretty straight and old fashioned in my views mostly, but I used
to be an artist and I know how it feels. If we have to have question
able stuff exist in order to insure that the "good stuff" has a
chance to survive, then sobeit.
Msg #4822 Dated 19:18:26 06-04-91 4804 <--> 4824
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Wayne,
if you still have one of those vanishing deck tricks I'd like to
get one. Walnut box sounds cool. Thanks.
Msg #4824 Dated 19:38:05 06-04-91 4822 <--> 4828
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Tabster...
Done deal. There were two...now there is only one.
Please post your address again for me Tab. I have it somewhere, but
this'll make it easy.
'Wayne.
Msg #4825 Dated 20:46:50 06-04-91 4705 <--> 4849
From: JIM SISTI
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Thanks for the reply. That's what I thought. I had a big argument
with a friend concerning Doc Eason's tape, which is "performance
only" also. He was of the opinion that the routines were for the
taking because he purchased the tape. I disagreed with him, because
I felt that Doc's tape was not for instructional purposes.
Msg #4826 Dated 20:47:01 06-04-91 4716 <--> 4827
From: JIM SISTI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
I'll put one in the mail. I've appreciated your support over the
last year.
Msg #4827 Dated 20:47:08 06-04-91 4730 <--> 4880
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
Twenty bucks in the shops, but for you...such a deal! ($15.00)
Msg #4828 Dated 20:47:15 06-04-91 4824 <--> 4835
From: JIM SISTI
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Wayne...
If you have an "Amazering" left, I'll take it!
Msg #4829 Dated 21:16:54 06-04-91 4788 <--> 4832
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
You should tell the "left curser" to use more polite language.
Msg #4830 Dated 21:20:20 06-04-91 -> 4833
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VOLUME
Is it my imagination, or has there been, in the last two weeks or so,
a significant rise in the number of messages on the board. Not sure if
it's real or just my perception. I went away to Seattle for four days
and came back Sunday, and ever since it SEEMS like there are more
messages than ever!
Ciao.
Msg #4831 Dated 21:46:00 06-04-91 4819 <--> 4904
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PROBLEM
Thanks for telling me about the 2-3/4 year old. It was "touch and go"
over his attending, but I had pretty much decided not. Would have
hated to get there and then find out. Happened at CES one time. The
year before, we'd seen infants (which he was then) there. His first
year they declared him a "fire hazard."
Glad to hear you got together with Mike King and Vicky Jo, but they got
their facts wrong - the USO does take people who wear green - sends 'em
to entertain the Green Barettes. MacIntosh is fine, but I thought you
wanted a computer.
Msg #4832 Dated 21:50:10 06-04-91 4821 <--> 4836
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
Could the "artist" get off of a murder rap on that basis? Nowhere in
the discussion did I suggest censorship or bookburning. Nor did I
suggest any committees. But I don't think you can dis-integrate
society from art, nor do I think you can use "art" to disintegrate
society.
Msg #4833 Dated 21:53:44 06-04-91 4830 <--> 4838
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VOLUME
Yes, there are more messages. Blame IMP! Frees up everyone to write
more. Only problem is, Jerry hasn't implimented the way to start a new
thread yet, so everyone is replying and appending to the existing ones
and making messy threads. Also, there are, right now, more messages
still in the message base than before. That is because of the file
problem.
Msg #4834 Dated 22:12:42 06-04-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FILES
Programming has created a fix for the files problem and it was
installed tonite. Please let me know if you experience any problems
with the new version of MAGIC!
Msg #4835 Dated 22:37:02 06-04-91 4804 <--> 4865
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
COD? Seriously, if you are interested I do have a dupe set, the Paul
Fox (Busby) Copper normal size set. I don't know the value/price but
if you wish to purchase, let me know and we can do something.
Msg #4836 Dated 22:37:10 06-04-91 4811 <--> 4840
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
No thanks bwana devil!
Msg #4838 Dated 22:37:21 06-04-91 4833 <--> 4842
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VOLUME
wHAT'S A THREAD?
Msg #4840 Dated 22:45:24 06-04-91 4836 <--> 4851
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
OK. Wait for the book to come out.
Msg #4842 Dated 22:46:51 06-04-91 4838 <--> 4888
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VOLUME
Ask Finn Jon or Michael Ammar.
Actually, on MAGIC!, a "thread" is a series of messages connected by
what should be some common topic. When you are live on MAGIC!, using
the "B" at the message sub-menu allows you to go back along the
thread to see the previous messages. Using "F" at the message sub-menu
allows you to go forward along the thread to see someone else's (or
theoretically, your own) additions before you reply. Pressing the
ENTER key will return you to your starting place when using "B" or "F."
IMP! has the same feature, using the left cursor control key to go back
and the right cursor control key to more forward.
Msg #4846 Dated 23:22:08 06-04-91 4741 <--> 4847
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOPIT
If your going to consider U.P.S. for the coat
you may also wish to try Ramon Galindo in
Texas.
Msg #4847 Dated 23:23:34 06-04-91 4754 <--> 4853
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOPIT
See msg 4846. If Lynn isn't up to it Ramon is
a tailor by profession and has tailored many a
magicians coat. Competitive bidding?
Msg #4848 Dated 23:53:16 06-04-91 -> 4856
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: THE REAL PROOF
David--
I defy you to prove to me that anyone on this board exists beyond my
experience.
--Evan
Msg #4849 Dated 23:55:29 06-04-91 4825 <--> 4941
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
As it happens, the Eason tape is a special case. It is indeed a
performance tape, originally made to sell to customers at his bar. When
he explored selling it to dealers, he was told that it would sell more
copies if there were instructions for the routines. Thus, he wrote up
a booklet which now comes with the tape when purchased by magicians,
giving technical information on the routines. Thus, the tape has now
become an instructional one. The key point here is that this was
Eason's own decision. It does not change my earlier comment.
Msg #4851 Dated 0:08:49 06-05-91 4709 <--> 4852
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
It absolutely does -- because one person's pit is another person's
paradise.
Msg #4852 Dated 0:12:44 06-05-91 4832 <--> 4857
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
First of all -- there has never been a proven case of a snuff film,
where a person was murdered on camera for the filming; not one. If you
are talking about the video compilations that are around, taken from
news footage, a lot of that is taken from on-air broadcasts -- so while
we may possibly deplore the taste of someone who watches it, there is
nothing remotely criminal about it.
Art does not need to be justified -- if it did, there would have to
be moral yardsticks for it, and I am sure you don't want that, being
opposed to censorship. Interestingly, in this connection, there's an
exhibit of "degenerate art" making the rounds; this is art the Nazis
considered degenerate because it didn't fit in with their philosophy.
There is a line in Orwell's 1984 where the antique shop owner,
looking at an object, says, "Yes, it is quite beautiful -- not beauty
as we know it today, of course; it serves no useful purpose." And
Oscar Wilde: "All art is quite useless."
Msg #4853 Dated 0:23:21 06-05-91 4741 <--> 4889
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOPIT
You addresses this to me, Pete -- I ain't the guy wants the topit --
it's so hard to throw Swami gimmicks into them.
Msg #4854 Dated 0:24:56 06-05-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-28
The twenty-eighth set of MAGIC! messages - #3500 (May 25, 1991)
to #3999 (May 29, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-28.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the twenty-
eighth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-28.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #4855 Dated 0:25:47 06-05-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-29
The twenty-ninth set of MAGIC! messages - #4000 (May 29, 1991)
to #4498 (June 2, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-29.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the twenty-
ninth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-29.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #4856 Dated 0:27:27 06-05-91 4848 <--> 4921
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: THE REAL PROOF
FINE! YOU take over running it!
Msg #4857 Dated 0:28:17 06-05-91 4852 <--> 4863
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MORE
What was all that stuff the FBI was supposedly investigating years ago?
Supposedly came in from South America, I believe. However, for the
purposes of this discussion, whether any have or have not been done to
date is irrelevant - the question is, does the "anything goes"
definition of art condone it?
I am aware of the "degenerate art" exhibit. I assume that you are also
aware of the controversy in science regarding the use of Nazi research
performed in the camps.
Msg #4863 Dated 1:15:15 06-05-91 4709 <--> 4879
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
The pit is in the eye of the beholder. Your pit may be my pedestal,
whose to say what art is 'moral' art what is not ?
Msg #4865 Dated 1:15:25 06-05-91 4692 <--> 4870
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
I replaced the phony stones on the 2 brass boxes with amethyst (I got
a small ball and had it cut in half). One has a slightly larger
occlusion than the other, but to the unpracticed eye they look
identical. Havn't had a chance to try them out yet, to see what kind
of response the effect gets.
.
I think you said you kept a set for yourself, let me know if you want
a ball. It really makes the set look classy. I also use a larger
polished crystal for the load.
Msg #4867 Dated 1:15:47 06-05-91 4697 <--> 4901
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JOHN JOLLY (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
I use 10 char pace and 0 line pace, with pace char set to 58, now wit
h echo off (damn I've got to fix this word wrap).
Msg #4868 Dated 1:46:00 06-05-91 4618 <--> 4922
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGICUNIQUE
I think you hit on a central point concerning the ability for other
arts to cause the observer to see the world in a different way. Its
both an intellectual and emotional response that the spectator has
when he/she sees or hears a performance that brings to the surface
thoughts and/or emotions that they may never have experienced before.
.
It brings to mind a statement that Copperfield made in the introducti
on to Ammar's new book. "There are things one gives up when one becom
es a magician, like the experience of feeling the wonder yourself.
That grabbing, emotional sensation of amazement becomes a rare
personal experience for a magician. As children we become so enraptured
with the feeling that we devote our life to its pursuit, but sadly,
the more familiar we are with creating wonder, the more rare it is to
feel that sensation yourself".
.
Have you ever seen a magic performance that you thought was truly spe
cial AND YOU DIDN'T want to know how certain things were done. As lon
g as you don't know you can hold onto the feeling of amazement, once
you know how its done, you can never watch it again from the same
perspective.
.
Unfortunately, the human mind can't stand not knowing, so it will atte
mpt to 'explain' how something was done to resolve the cognitive diss
onance that was created by the effect. Once the mind has a satisfacto
ry explantion (which may be totally wrong) it can 'let go'. Magic is
like a puzzle or a riddle, until you have a solution it keeps popping
back into the conscious mind and must be resolved.
.
If however, the mind concludes that TRUE magic (see my comment 3604)
has been done, then the mind is forced to consider forces unknown to
science having been brought into play. When a mentalist shows his
'skill' the spectator does not have a conflict to resolve. The person
has powers that allow them to 'read minds' or move objects with their
unique power. Those that believe are SURE they have witnessed forces
they ALREADY believed in, whereas those that don't believe in psyhic
forces, dismiss it as mere trickery and generally aren't too impressd
.
Magic on the other hand, requires the spectator to 'believe' that
during the performance, the magician is exhibiting 'powers' that he
doesn't possess outside of the performance. The mentalist has these
powers AT ALL TIMES. Herein lies a major paradox.
.
Regarding Talent. Anyone can learn how to do magic tricks, it takes
TALENT to perform it in a meaningful and rewarding way. The magician
who is a performer first and foremost is striving to make his art
as strong as possible, and uses magic as a basis for that art.
Msg #4869 Dated 1:46:51 06-05-91 -> 4923
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: KANGAROO COINS
I bought a set of Kangaroo coins at the Aladdin sale and would like to
find a write-up on how they were originally used. Anyone know where I
can find one ?
Msg #4870 Dated 2:03:09 06-05-91 4828 <--> 4871
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Done, Jim. Last Amazring is now gone.
'W.
Msg #4871 Dated 2:05:45 06-05-91 4865 <--> 4878
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
I don't understand why you'd want to make the two stones look
identical, Jerry. It'll work as long as YOU can tell them apart.
Hmmm...now that I think of it....not a bad idea!
'W.
Msg #4876 Dated 4:08:31 06-05-91 -> 4893
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: PERFORMING RIGHTS
JIM SISTI
JUGGLING & MAGIC
MAGIC!-NL Wed 05 Jun 91 02:06
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
* In a message originally to MAX MAVEN , JIM SISTI said:
JS >Would you agree, Max, that "Kirigami" is "performable" by
JS >those who own
JS >"Mind Games"? Just wondering, because there is no formal
JS >explanation
JS >of the effect. I was just curious if you feel that the
JS >trick can only
JS >be performed by those who have the manuscript, even if the
JS >method can
JS >be doped out from the tape. BTW, where is it published?
JS >
JS >
JS >
JS >---
JS > * Origin: MAGIC!-US, The original MAGIC! BBS,
JS >+1-818-8967450
Hope you do not mind me stepping into this conversation. I feel that
if one has not acquired the rights to perform something, then one
has not the right to do so. The mere fact that one has bought a tape
with a performance of something, something the working can be worked
out of, does not give one the right to perform, does it. Even if you
can work out the method of an effect, performing it is using
someone's thinking, while this person did not intend you to give the
explanation. If the effcet is explained on the tape, it could be a
different matter, although even in such a case I feel one should be
carefull. Was it explained with the intention of helping you to
perform it, or was it explained to help you understand the thinking
of the performer? I have few thoughts now and then which I would
certainly be willing to share. The problem is that the only way I
can share these thoughts, is by explaining the trick in question.
But even in such a case, where I would have to explain the trick in
order to make a thought clear, I would not like other people to do
this effect. It is a dilemma. What should I do? Not tell anything at
all? Can I explain an effect without allowing other people to use
the effect? Personally, I think we would be better off, if we did
not have the unwritten rule"If it is published, people are allowed
to perform it". This way I think we are missing opportunities to
learn about the thinking of other magicians, because many times the
best thinking is in the best tricks of people. I would love to
understand this thinking, the thinking which goes into these best
tricks. But you cannot blame someone to shut up if explaining some
of his thoughts would automatically imply that the trick can be
performed by others. Are we loosing because of this unwritten rule?
I would like to hear how some of you feel about this. For me it is a
little bit of a problem. Kind regards, Tommy..
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #4878 Dated 5:11:40 06-05-91 4824 <--> 4894
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Tabster, P.O. Box 590, Charlotte hall, MD 20622
Msg #4879 Dated 5:11:44 06-05-91 4832 <--> 4882
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Cheeez, now I just figured out what a "snuff flick" is. You're really
taking advantage of my good nature and So. Hospitality on this one. I
thought you were politely referring to skin flicks. You
cosmopolitites keep track of things a lot more than we do here at the
Hotel DeCarlo where the clocks stopped in 1938 never to be wound
again. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I would never condone murder,
only the rightous acts of enlightened vigalanteeism. As a side note,
you keep referring to the fact that you didn't bring up censorship,
bookburning, or a committee. The only way you can keep foreign ideas
from a conversation is to have one with your self assuming you only
have one personality.
Msg #4880 Dated 5:11:56 06-05-91 4826 <--> 4943
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
No problem. Am glad to do so. I like helping out, it is my
contribution to art (I forget his last name). Understand the Ray
Mertz issue is almost ready. Glad you and Ray got together. He's a
great guy and a killer magician for the lay audience. He tells me
ya'll are going to have a restaurant magicians gathering up yonder
sometime this coming fall. Zounds good.
Msg #4882 Dated 7:26:54 06-05-91 4879 <--> 4883
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
Now that you mentioned it, it is very clear how you could derive skin
flick from snuff flick - does make perfect Southern sense. Alas, the
term has another meaning.
Interesting that the clocks stopped in 1938. We have a BBS out here
called "1939." The sysop of it, a young man in his late teens/early
twenties, lives permanently in 1939. With a local radio station that
plays the music, stores that sell the clothing, etc. he can apparently
do it quite well.
As to my single personality, the origin of this thread concerned itself
with the artist's own moral responsibility. As the thread passed
through different hands the concept changed. I like to think that at
times it included some valuable points to ponder. I think that by now
it has done its job and it should be wound back on the spool.
Msg #4883 Dated 7:42:31 06-05-91 4879 <--> 4891
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
Thought I should make something clear - I have more than one
personality. But only one of me operates MAGIC! and was involved in
the topic.
Msg #4888 Dated 9:00:43 06-05-91 4842 <--> 4898
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VOLUME
Thanks for exp of Thread. I didn't really know how to use the feech.
Msg #4889 Dated 9:00:47 06-05-91 4847 <--> 4890
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TOPIT
Based on work etc. I would go for Ramon first, as Lynn is pretty
busy in her computer work and hasn't been doing the magic sewing too
much of late (I have been told).
Msg #4890 Dated 9:00:54 06-05-91 4853 <--> 4908
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TOPIT
Not if you practice. Unless your Swami is XXX-Large. Be hackin' atcha
Msg #4891 Dated 9:00:59 06-05-91 4857 <--> 4895
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
I once went to a "modern art" exhibit with my boss (Art Studio Owner)
and there were some really abstract sculpted pieces in the entry. He
said "look this stuff over. It looks like SH*T now, but someday it
might be considered art!"
Msg #4893 Dated 9:01:12 06-05-91 4876 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: PERFORMING RIGHTS
At a couple of my lectures... when things are GOING WELL (and the
viewers are "above average in their magic knowledge" (not a put down
but a fact... sometimes the attendees don't even know how to tie a
false knot) I will ADD to the "performance" and do some stuff out of
my act... BUT WILL SAY... "THE LECTURE IS OVER what follows is just a
.
You just HAVE to be clear about it and UP FRONT LET THEM KNOW.
Msg #4894 Dated 9:01:22 06-05-91 4878 <--> 4942
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
You moved from Colon?
Msg #4895 Dated 9:01:27 06-05-91 4879 <--> 4896
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE
You, like I, originally thought a Snuff Flick was a film done by the
Copenhagen Snuff manufacturers on how to use their tobacco, right?
Msg #4896 Dated 9:01:33 06-05-91 4883 <--> 4899
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Is there any way to change the header on IMP! Or is it a REPLY only s
ystem. What line wrap? It is OK, leave it alone.
Msg #4898 Dated 9:51:35 06-05-91 4888 <--> 4907
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VOLUME
You should attend the "Lerning MAGIC!" seminar at the upcoming IBM
Convention.
Msg #4899 Dated 9:53:47 06-05-91 4896 <--> 4906
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
I believe Jerry is working on (I HOPE Jerry is working on) a way to
ENTER NEW MESSAGES without using either Reply or Append. Don't think
it is in there right now.
"Word wrap" is when the program automagically "fixes" a word that would
otherwise be broken arbitrarily at the end of the line. MAGIC! has
wordwrap - if you type a word that is too long to fit on the line, it
is moved to the next line. Jerry is working on IMP! so that it will do
something similar.
Msg #4901 Dated 10:30:02 06-05-91 4696 <--> 5025
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JOHN JOLLY (X)
Re: RDMAGIC
There are duplicates. I forgot to erase a prior reply file and ended
up sending it twice. Now using PCPLUS and it seems to work a lot
smoother. Same char pacing (10), line pacing (0) and pace char (58)
as in Procomm.
Msg #4902 Dated 10:30:08 06-05-91 4718 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHO'S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
With PCPLUS you see only the response from MAGIC! and its seems real
smooth, will send a PCPLUS with the PROCOMM 2.4.3. Should go out
today with a new IMP.
Msg #4904 Dated 10:30:16 06-05-91 4831 <--> 4915
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PROBLEM
You don't understand. It's not me with the MacIntosh, I have a new
Novell system. It's them.
Msg #4905 Dated 10:33:14 06-05-91 -> 4914
From: MARVIN STERN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
As you heard, the 2 add'l passes are in the mail. If they don't arrive
in time, come in and see me, My booth is right next to the Arriflex
Camera booth.
OR 4 of you go in, one then comes back out with 2 of the first 4
badges. But I'm sure you have already thought of that.
Msg #4906 Dated 10:41:53 06-05-91 4895 <--> 4909
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Used in that context, I'm totally against snuff flicks; snuff too!
Msg #4907 Dated 10:41:58 06-05-91 4898 <--> 4916
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VOLUME
From what I can tell from the skeds I've seen the IBM Conv looks like
a lot packed into a long weekend, not to mention two MAGIC! sessions.
The first session is Sat nite at 11pm in the Kent Room (6th floor) &
the II session is Sun at 4.30pm in the Baltimore Ballroom (hotel
stage where the talent contest prelimins and the comedy club will
be held). I hope all MAGIC! BBSers will stop by both the sessions.
Msg #4908 Dated 10:42:06 06-05-91 4889 <--> 4928
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOPIT
Contact Ramon at his shop (Ace Custom Tailoring) in Austin, Texas
@512-478-9965. He would be my magical (or otherwise) tailor of choice
also.
Msg #4909 Dated 10:42:12 06-05-91 4891 <--> 4940
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE
Art tends to stay a coupla steps ahead of politics and can be used
by the aware as a future indicator.
Msg #4914 Dated 10:54:44 06-05-91 4905 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
Thanks, Marvin
Msg #4915 Dated 10:56:40 06-05-91 4904 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PROBLEM
Ah! I thought YOU were having a Mac Attack.
Msg #4916 Dated 10:59:37 06-05-91 4907 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VOLUME
Thanks for the info, Tabman. I'm planning on attending both MAGIC!
sessions.
Msg #4917 Dated 11:09:34 06-05-91 -> 4919
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MENTAL
Still can't believe that 7 Diamonds.
Msg #4919 Dated 13:20:03 06-05-91 4917 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MENTAL
I think we made a very good impression. It's all she's talked about
since we left. Good job. I think we ke a good team. We'll have to do
it again. Catch ya later. MIKE.
Msg #4920 Dated 14:28:36 06-05-91 -> 4924
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
You being in the film industry, but not having replied to my message to
ALL, offerring passes to Showbix Expo, I assume you do not need any.
If you change you mind, let me know.
Msg #4921 Dated 15:12:13 06-05-91 4856 <--> 4947
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE REAL PROOF
Might I point out that if I did, in fact, take over running the board,
my problem would still exist. Yours (or anyone's) presence or lack
thereof on this board does not prove they exist beyond their presence
or lack.
There's another theory beyond the notion that you're all figments of my
imagination, manufactured constructs. That is that you're really all
robots, constructed by some greater being who has built this world for
the sole purpose of studying me.
Msg #4922 Dated 15:16:06 06-05-91 4868 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGICUNIQUE
If people REALLY can't stand not knowing how something is done, then
we're all done for.
Msg #4923 Dated 15:16:33 06-05-91 4869 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: KANGAROO COINS
Are these the Kangaroo coins that are brass shells that nest over
halves, with a combination of magnetic and shelled halves/quarters that
go under them?
If that's the case, I can tell you what the basic routine was.
Msg #4924 Dated 15:19:57 06-05-91 4920 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SHOWBIZ EXPO
Thanks, Marvin. I actually don't plan on going -- unless I'm wrong
(and do correct me), the expo is geared much more toward physical
production, and not writing (which I call "intangible production").
And, I'm not particularly interested in new scriptwriting software. If
you see any interesting software demos for writers, lemme know.
Hope all is well!
Msg #4928 Dated 16:49:52 06-05-91 4908 <--> 4934
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TOPIT
Tabaroo... thanks for the nr. but it tweren't fo' me... hope the one
that wants the nr. digs it... adios... off to mexico... i hope.
Msg #4931 Dated 16:55:25 06-05-91 -> 4935
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: HOUDINI CABINET KEYS.
Anyone out there went to purchase 60 pounds of Houdini's cabinet keys?
As far as I know there are no handcuff or jail keys in the collection.
The owner wants $600,00 for the (Yes there is proof that they were
Houdini's keys.)
Msg #4934 Dated 17:38:05 06-05-91 4928 <--> 4952
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOPIT
Yeah, I knew you didn't need the ## but I'm using IMP and thought I'd
better get Ramon's ## in and figure that Stan will see it since the
subject matter is near and dear to his heart right now. Toppit?
Have a goodun in Mexico, I'm off to TN tomorrow. Got the work that
a WB subsid likes Bone Pony so that's good news for a change. Later,
AMF.....tabmon
Msg #4935 Dated 17:38:13 06-05-91 4931 <--> 4956
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: HOUDINI CABINET KEYS.
Maybe he'd want to sellem off for 25 bux a pound. That would make
him more moolah and give lotz of collectors a change at some
interesting bit of Houdiniania. I'd buy a pound.
Msg #4940 Dated 19:15:03 06-05-91 4857 <--> 4946
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORE
Yes, in art absolutely anything does go -- because if it doesn't, you
have to decide according to what standards and yardsticks, and then it
is no longer art but something ground into someone's particular axe.
It is in fact much like freedom of speech. A lot of people couldn't
understand why the ACLU defended the Nazis a few years ago -- they
didn't get the point (as the ACLU did) that there is no such thing as
freedom of speech "except about that stuff." In the same way, art
subject to controls is no longer art.
In that connection, I have always found it fascinating that a 12 year
old kid, male or female, can go to a movie and see people literally
ripped apart or blown up in graphic detail -- but seeing people mae
love? Heavens no -- they might be influenced in a bad way...!
Msg #4941 Dated 20:02:56 06-05-91 4849 <--> 4973
From: JIM SISTI
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Actually, the instructions never came with the tape but were availa-
ble to magicians by sending in a post card that came packaged with
the tapes that were handled by magic dealers. However, that became
such a pain in the ass that Doc has abandoned that also and so the
tape remains a performance only video.
Msg #4942 Dated 20:03:12 06-05-91 4870 <--> 4962
From: JIM SISTI
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
Great, Wayne. I appreciate it. Could I have the price again and the
address where I send the check. (You did say the routine was done
with a borrowed ring, correct?)
Msg #4946 Dated 19:47:06 06-05-91 4940 <--> 4950
From: RICHARD HART
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MORE
I agree with you, T.A. I've often wondered why our society
sensationalizes death and violence, while at the same time, censors
life and love.
Oswald Spengler in his "Der Untergang Des Abendlandes (The Decline of
the West)" presented the theory that those who control the media,
control the masses. If this is so, what are they trying to do to us?
In a pioneer society, or underdeveloped agrarian for that matter, with
high death rates, love (and associated offspring) are definately
beneficial to the survival of the species. Yet in a climax ecosystem
with limited food and resources, and even more limited places to pee,
further population growth is decidedly DIS-advantageous. Are we not
rapidly reaching such a state?
It has been argued that the United States has about reached Z.P.G.
(zero population growth). Yet, on the whole, the population of this
planet is still growing exponentially. (And yes, it seems like they're
all moving to L.A.) World hunger is staggering, and we can't seem to
find any civilized means of killing off a large portion of the
population--nuclear war will kill everyone, diseases can be treated,
and limited wars are just too damn expensive these days.
So are we being turned against ourselves? Are we being groomed as a
generation of copy-cat killers? Or is this just a symptom of a
military-industrial complex gone far awry?
Maybe what we need most right now IS a little magic!
Msg #4947 Dated 20:15:00 06-05-91 4921 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: THE REAL PROOF
Very interesting, Evan. That is the first time I've seen the conundrum
expressed in a manner which makes the subject (you) the victim of
superior forces.
You might reference the four books of the Douglas Adams trilogy as an
alternate hypothesis. But don't bother reading his later works as they
drift about him in a far too egocentric orbit.
Msg #4950 Dated 20:28:47 06-05-91 4940 <--> 5072
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MORE
I think that this discussion has been protracted enough. I'm concerned
about whether it still falls within the MAGIC! purview and whether or
not it is becoming boring to the non-participating members.
Of course I have some strong opinions regarding the content of your
message - some might agree with your own views, some might not.
Msg #4952 Dated 20:57:10 06-05-91 4847 <--> 4953
From: STAN LAKE
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TOPIT
Thanks for the advice, I'll contact him soon.
Msg #4953 Dated 20:58:55 06-05-91 4934 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TOPIT
I got the number and thanks for letting me know!
Msg #4956 Dated 21:09:50 06-05-91 4935 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HOUDINI CABINET KEYS.
I think that's a great idea too Tabman. I'd go for a pound or two or
Houdini history.
Msg #4961 Dated 21:52:55 06-05-91 -> 4963
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: NEW THREAD
HERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE: "stock lines" -- Let us, on MAGIC! put
an end to stock lines as we know them. We will start now 'RE-WRITING'
them. For example: "Hold out your hand!" Stock answer? "The Clean One!"
(Actually this was originated by Walter Zaney Blaney, AD LIB one night
and it caught on and EVERYBODY USES IT.
So here is what we do. We put a stock line on the BBS. Then we all
contribute NEW punch lines. Example:
"Hold out your hand!"
New reply: "Hmm, did you have a flat tire coming here tonight?"
OK. Go.
Let's see how many new lines we can build.
Also, let us have those of you that are interested START the ball
rolling by posting what you think are STOCK opening lines.
Msg #4962 Dated 21:56:54 06-05-91 4804 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DISAPPOINTED?
COD? Seriously, if you are interested I do have a dupe set, the Paul
Fox (Busby) Copper normal size set. I don't know the value/price but
if you wish to purchase, let me know and we can do something.
Msg #4963 Dated 22:07:03 06-05-91 4961 <--> 4965
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
Regardless of how they present it, how about "No, palm up!"
Msg #4965 Dated 22:13:57 06-05-91 4961 <--> 4975
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
Good 'un, Pete.
"Would you like to change your mind?"
"No? Happy with the mind you have?"
Msg #4969 Dated 22:50:55 06-05-91 -> 4998
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: JUNE GENII
Dante continues to top himself with the new June Genii! It is turning
into a VERY professional, modern looking magazine. Everything from the
cover on is very slick. Lots of great stuff inside too! Great work,
Dante!
By the way, since we have a number of new MAGIC! members, I should
point out that it is possible to communicate directly with several of
the magazines and newsletters via MAGIC!
To contact: Send a message to:
-------------- ------------------
GENII DANTE LARSEN
INSIDE MAGIC PATRICE MOORE
MAGIC MENU JIM SISTI
THAUMATURGIST JEFF BUSBY
Hope I didn't miss anyone!
Msg #4971 Dated 22:55:15 06-05-91 -> 4974
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JAPAN TELEVISION
Max -
The following appeared in the June Genii (reproduced with permission
from Dante Larsen):
"We have gotten wind of a new 30 minute variety show on FUJI T.V. which
has decided to air exposures on television. Not simple innuendoes but
full blown exposures. So far they have revealed an effect by Penn and
Teller which Penn and Teller don't even expose, The Metamorphosis, and
the Moretti's Sword Box. The program is hosted by the comedy team
'Ton-neruzu.' The Japan Professional Magicians Association has made a
protest but should you want to flood their mailbox with objections,
threats, and exploding dove pans you can write: Keija Namihisa, General
Manager and Hiroshi Ishida, Producer, both at Fuji Television, 3-1
Kawadacho, Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo 162, Japan."
I'm told that they have told the Japanese magicians that they will
stop, but that there is some doubt that they really will. Do you know
any more about this? Would letters from here help?
Thanks.
Msg #4973 Dated 23:14:19 06-05-91 4941 <--> 5023
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: JUGGLING & MAGIC
Thanks for the information. I received the tape, with the booklet of
instructions, from Eason sans solicitation, so I was not aware of the
postcard procedure. This does complicate the issue in the case of this
particular tape: given that Eason did, at least for a while, provide
instructions, there is an established context which probably means your
friend is technically within his rights to consider the tape as an
instructional video.
However, I'll reiterate that this is a specific case, and does not
alter the situation regarding a performance video which is sold as such
(e.g., "Mindgames"), which does not come with any rights for the buyer
to use the material thereon.
Msg #4974 Dated 23:17:38 06-05-91 4971 <--> 4979
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN TELEVISION
This took place a few months ago. To my knowledge, there was only one
exposure episode, and the formal protest lodged by the JPMA via its
president, Sumie Shoukyokusai, achieved an end to this activity and a
promise from the producer not to do so in the future.
Then again, who's to say that a Japanese TV producer's word is any
more trustworthy than that of a western one?
Msg #4975 Dated 23:33:07 06-05-91 4961 <--> 4977
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
Stock line:
"Now, is there any way I could know what card you picked?"
New Reply:
"If you are actually not real and are just a construct of
my mind, there most certainly IS a way you could know."
Msg #4977 Dated 23:42:35 06-05-91 4975 <--> 4978
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
Stock Line:
"Now that makes how many sponge balls you're holding in your
hand"
New Reply:
"If I lower my hand I'll have four.
Msg #4978 Dated 23:43:39 06-05-91 4977 <--> 4980
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
Stock Line:
"Now you can see the magic silver Wunderbar is floating out
of the test tube and into the air with nothing holding it
up"
New reply:
"Fine, but are you talking funny because you're saving food
in your mouth for later?"
Msg #4979 Dated 23:45:31 06-05-91 4974 <--> 5226
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JAPAN TELEVISION
Thanks, Max. Appreciate the info.
Msg #4980 Dated 23:46:00 06-05-91 4975 <--> 4995
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
Stock line:
"Waiter, there is a fly in my soup."
New Reply:
"Sorry, sir. The cook's pants fell apart."
Msg #4983 Dated 23:47:04 06-05-91 -> 4987
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: REVEWZ
David--
Have you noticed that people seem relucatant to post reviews of books
and such on the BBS? Hmmmm, I wonder why.
I wonder, is there anyway to encourage such activity? It's one of the
things MAGIC! can really be good at -- delivering instantaneous
information on a new book or tape to a wide number of people.
I assume people are afraid, as I am, that anything negative they say
will be thrown back at them. Or that any even minorly inaccurate
statement will cause them to be tarred and feathered.
Anonymouse reviews wouldn't be right, I don't think, as it's sort of
antithetical to the BBS philosophy. Surely there must be some approach
his Sysop-ship can come up with to encourage this sort of thing?
There's a lot of books coming out in the next month or so...
Msg #4987 Dated 1:30:38 06-06-91 4983 <--> 4996
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: REVEWZ
There has been a suggestion to set up some type of review
questionnaire. But it will take some time to do so.
Meanwhile, the only other way is for people to be upfront and to
honestly state their views on something. It is possible to ignore the
"heat," if they get any, but simply not responding. I do that with my
postal mail - like Napoleon, I never open for a month.
I'd like to see some candid reviews on here. But, as some have
suggested, I think they are only valuable if the reviewer is
identified. Down the way we may work out a questionnaire and rely on
multiple views to overcome annonymous distortion.
Msg #4994 Dated 6:37:41 06-06-91 4943 <--> 5013
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WHAT'S WRONG?
Just make sure Magic Menu is represented at the Music City Conclave
in Jan 1992 in Nashville. Ray is one of the lecturers booked for the
event. Will ship your package out to you when I get back from Tenn
next week. Will be staying at the Vandy Holiday Inn so can check out
the facilities, etc for MCCM I. Is the Noe Place adr good?
Msg #4995 Dated 6:37:49 06-06-91 4961 <--> 5009
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
Am glad to see Walter Blaney getting credit for that line. He's the
only guy who can use it legit, and every time I ever hear him say it
I laugh. He cracks me up even though I've got his act memorized. A
genuine jewel.
Msg #4996 Dated 6:37:56 06-06-91 4983 <--> 5007
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: REVEWZ
There was a time on MAGIC! when there was more info posted re: books
and related. I propose a new system of review that will actually
save the potential reader time. Below are some of my condensed
reviews on books that have come into the Old Principal's House
Library over the past few months.
Conjuror's Monthly Reprints - Expensive
The Aronson Approach - Boring
Works of Alex Elmsley - Fascinating
The Magic of Michael Ammar - Satisfying
Thavant - Worthit
There are several qualified reviewers online, but presenting a
book review worth reading takes time. I bemoan the fact that noone
theze daze puts out reviews like the Flemming reviews of daze gone
by. Jeff Busby put out some great reviews in Epoptica (I have a file
of these thanks to Jeff) and this is some of my fave reading. Maybe
he'll grace us with a new issue of Epoptica sometime soon. I also
contend that unless the reviewer of a book, etc is qualified; the
review is worth little, if not nothing. Basic criterion is that this
person can READ and will read the book.
Msg #4998 Dated 8:05:26 06-06-91 4969 <--> 5037
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JUNE GENII
I haven't seen the June issue yet, but I couldn't agree with you more
about the super job Dante has been doing. The look over the last year
has been terrific - and the material has been great, too! The Burger
issue contained a Williamson piece in Magicana that rivals any magazine
piece published in recent memory. And I hear there are plenty of great
issue of Genii already lined up over the next year. Can't wait!
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