MAGIC! - 34
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Msg #6500 Dated 7:20:30 06-15-91 -> 6510
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
You have to walk on a line, hold your fingers out in front of you
and bring together, blow up a balloon. If you can do all.. YOU ARE
REJECTED.
Msg #6501 Dated 7:20:37 06-15-91 -> 6502
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ?
Glad you didn't name him Jack Katz... slurs wouldn't play well.
Msg #6502 Dated 7:20:43 06-15-91 -> 6523
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ?
Cause you never told us, creep!
Msg #6504 Dated 8:28:26 06-15-91 -> 6505
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
At what point do you think that "hobby magic" started making some
headway? What significance do you place on Prof. Hoffmann's books
as far as fostering magic as a hobby? I'm still reading and using
Modern and More which I've had for better than 30 years.
.
Now in regards to the "hole" in the Palace wall: Is this for a door?
Msg #6505 Dated 8:28:35 06-15-91 -> 6506
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Have never tried Powers Irish, is it avail in the US. When we were in
Dublin a few years ago promoting some music we had the best Irish
Coffee ever. The waiter told us how it was done. Coffee, two heaping
spoons of sugar and a shot of Jamison Irish. If Powers is avail I'll
find it in DC.
Msg #6506 Dated 8:28:44 06-15-91 -> 6507
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I have the little "Newmann, Pioneer Mentalist" book put out by David
Meyer Books and read it with interest. Unfortunately, it didn't
contain a whole lot of information. Most of it was taken up with
Newmann's claims to have the largest magic, etc book collection in
the US - world?? - but it whetted my appetite and I'd like more info
about C.A.Geo.Newmann. I don't remember hearing about the mental manu
scripts, but might have and just didn't have the $$ to try for one at
the time. Is the limited edition in your library there at the MC.
Msg #6507 Dated 8:28:54 06-15-91 -> 6511
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Wannabee is good too.
Msg #6509 Dated 8:29:06 06-15-91 -> 6534
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
Hey, you'd still probably be wanting the Appearing Boat after a few
weeks of near bliss, though of all the Appearing _______ named,
Sheena would be my choice if I couldn't make C. Lauper appear. Wooden
mind a cut on her album.
Msg #6510 Dated 8:29:14 06-15-91 -> 6520
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
Heck, I don't want to vote. I'd just like to read the magazine.
Msg #6511 Dated 8:29:19 06-15-91 -> 6518
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I heard that Michael was doing 100 mineatures of the statue which you
affectionately call "Super Pig" and will be selling these to the
Magic Community for $250 each. I'm supplying Rosewood bases for them.
Msg #6512 Dated 8:29:26 06-15-91 -> 6521
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Was that - EOF - what locked up my computer. I was just about to
quit when that happened. I guess I'll have to get another modem or
something.
Msg #6513 Dated 8:29:33 06-15-91 6466 <--> 6546
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TAHOE
Gee, Douglas, there's lots of good magic in Texas besides BBQ Texas
Oysters. Where are you gonna be in the Lone Star State? Houston has
an active magic group as well as Austin and both cities have good
represenatives here. Now, if you're going to Dime Box or Crabb, thats
another story.
Msg #6517 Dated 8:30:08 06-15-91 -> 6540
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TEAPOT MELTDOWN
As far as details of Pete's special are concerned, I'd imagine he'll
tell us about it down the line when things are solid with it. Too
much talk sinks specials, or something like that. BTW, thanks for the
info on the WG. I'm not sure when I'll finish the treatment, I wrote
the 1st third last winter when things were slow. I have the premise
for the conflict now and am thinking about where to go with it as
brain time allows. This Bone Pony thing put me over a week behind and
its not over yet. I have dignitaries visiting here at The Hotel
DeCarlo in 10 days and have to find the maid. She's buried somewhere
under a ton of wood shavings.
Msg #6518 Dated 10:08:46 06-15-91 -> 6519
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Wow! What a great idea, Pete! Throw a bit of cloth around the teapot,
paint a face on it, tell 'em it was "inspired by Lance Burton," and
TRADE it to the Castle for Super Pig!
Msg #6519 Dated 10:11:16 06-15-91 6511 <--> 6524
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
You're letting 'em kill off a whole rosewood tree for that??? Well, I
guess they'll be selling 'em in the Castle giftshop.
Msg #6520 Dated 10:12:40 06-15-91 -> 6532
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
Exactly! But I wonder if the MC will let us in? You know how some
folks in magic are about MAGIC! members.
Msg #6521 Dated 10:14:26 06-15-91 6512 <--> 6545
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Normally, a received EOF does not lock up your computer, it just shows
on the screen as a right pointing arrow. But I guess that it is
possible. Still it shouldn't have locked things up. What happens
normally is that you download 100 messages but when you are reading, in
IMP! or anything else, the file seems to end at, let's say, 50
messages. The EOF is responsible. When I prepare the MAGIC! messages
files, I "kill" the EOF's by using a hexdump and hexeditor, but it is
a pain.
Msg #6522 Dated 10:17:47 06-15-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOPEFULLY...
YOU didn't realize? YOU? The mojo man who invented the rat trap
trick? Think of the possibilities - combined card presentation AND rat
catch in one trick! Of course, it does tend to kill off the members of
your cast, but you can always get more - there are plently of rats in
magic.
Msg #6523 Dated 10:20:34 06-15-91 6502 <--> 6538
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ?
The !! and !!! were recently added. I don't think there are any other
features I've missed along the way. Maybe we should have a limited
attendance, high price seminar on "Advanced MAGIC!"
Msg #6524 Dated 10:46:53 06-15-91 -> 6525
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Msg #6525 Dated 10:47:59 06-15-91 -> 6526
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I ate in a nice Northern Italian restaurant last week and saw a
painting I really liked. I called the waiter over and asked if the
painting was for sale. He excused himself and brought back the owner.
After introductory formalities, I again inquired if the painting was
for sale. The owner apologized profusely and said, "No, the painting
is not for sale....but the restuarant is!"
.
(This true story (c)1991 Wayne Powers Productions)
Msg #6526 Dated 10:57:13 06-15-91 -> 6527
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
No -- to pass people through; an exterior covered stairway going down
to the lower level.
Msg #6527 Dated 10:58:13 06-15-91 -> 6528
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
No -- that sounds like a Chinese meal a la Tabman.
Msg #6528 Dated 10:55:56 06-15-91 6505 <--> 6529
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
No, Tab....sorry to report that Powers Irish in no longer imported
here. It was up until about five or six years ago. The problem is
that one U.S. importer has tied up all the Irish whiskeys and decided
that he didn't want to compete with himself in this market.
Consequently, both Powers and Paddy's are no longer available here.
If you ever travel to Eire, however, bring back as much as customs
will allow you to!
'W.
Msg #6529 Dated 10:59:05 06-15-91 6504 <--> 6530
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Hard to put a date on it -- a long process -- though the Hoffmann books
and the material which appeared in Boys Own Books mags was certainly
reasonably popular. It was a gradual process, I think, but I wouldn't
put its beginning much before 1870, in general.
As to hole in wall: see message to Biro.
Msg #6530 Dated 11:00:17 06-15-91 6511 <--> 6531
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I've already ordered one with the base AND a custom plexiglass case...
...which I intend to spraypaint black!
'W.
Msg #6531 Dated 11:01:27 06-15-91 6506 <--> 6539
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I wasn't at all impressed with that Newmann bio -- it told almost
nothing of his performance work, which from all accounts was quite
impressive. Very little content there.
We don't have the Newmann book yet, but one is promised; however,
it'll be held back for a while, and will be in the locked section (at
$165 a pop, how surprising is that?
Msg #6532 Dated 11:03:16 06-15-91 6520 <--> 6543
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
Well, if we can get around the "visit within two years" rule, I think
we should go for it.
'W.
Msg #6534 Dated 11:05:11 06-15-91 6509 <--> 6555
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
After a few weeks I doubt I would remember the rest of the world
existed.
Msg #6538 Dated 11:37:24 06-15-91 -> 6547
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ?
Seems to me a foolproof read involves an r;*, then a ! right b-4
logoff. Si?
Msg #6539 Dated 11:40:14 06-15-91 6511 <--> 6542
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Is this true? Come ON!
Msg #6540 Dated 11:42:19 06-15-91 -> 6628
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEAPOT MELTDOWN
Cool.
Msg #6541 Dated 11:43:17 06-15-91 -> 6548
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Well, as far sa the 10 most hilarious acts are concerned (see, I've
taken your suggestion of making sure any reply contains the "meat" of
the original question) you've already got the MOST hilarious guy on
the magic planet - BALLENTINE THE GREATEST. I don't know if Terry
Seabrook would register under this catagory or not, and Jay Marshall
is a hilarious guy, but he might fit in the most hilarious magic MC
catagory better, dunno. Who was that guy who used to fall down a lot
in his show?
Msg #6542 Dated 11:43:27 06-15-91 -> 6550
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Heaven for ME would be a coupla acres on the lea side of Muai, and I
hope thats what I find when I pass over the rock.
Msg #6543 Dated 11:43:32 06-15-91 -> 6597
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
If you find a Magic Circular, then grab the join coupon for us and we
Msg #6544 Dated 11:43:22 06-15-91 6510 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
I feel the same way about national politics.
Msg #6545 Dated 11:43:39 06-15-91 -> 6627
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I'M BACK
One of these days I'll get to visit with my friends in the Walnut
Creek area and can get to take a look at this stuff. I wish I had the
$$ for the Harbin Chair Illusion. What a find!! Harbin had one of the
best magic minds going. Since I finally found a copy of Harbincadabar
a it's been my constant companion on these road trips I've been takin
of late. Have read it through once and am on my second read now. His
work with the "Tippler" is ingenius. Seems like there were a coupla
takeoffs on this on the market, but I never took a look at any of
them. One of these days, I'm gonna build an effect that I've got on
the drawing baord that will give pshchic magi a new tool in their
fight to eschew obfuscation. Am scared to tip even the effect right
now on MAGIC!, but thatz another story. BTW, thanks for the great
magic you've been putting up of late. I love to read about good stuff
and have been having fun with it, especially the anecdotes.....
Msg #6546 Dated 11:44:00 06-15-91 -> 6689
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TAHOE
I've got Walter Blaney's NEW number if you need it. I'm sure he'd be
glad to hear from you!!
Msg #6547 Dated 11:50:30 06-15-91 6538 <--> 6601
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ?
That's how I logged off last time and it seemed to work perfectly.
No...wait...I used a (#)...THEN a (!) just before logoff...worked
great.
'W.
Msg #6548 Dated 11:54:19 06-15-91 6541 <--> 6557
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
"Amen!" to Carl Ballentine!!!
(He's also a really nice guy...and a fellow Cigar Man!)
'W.
Msg #6550 Dated 12:10:49 06-15-91 6519 <--> 6551
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Actually, we're selling them to Grateful Dead fans since there is a
slight resemblance to Jerry Garcia!!
Msg #6551 Dated 12:10:55 06-15-91 6528 <--> 6552
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
My fondest memory of Eire (I'm Brit-Scot) was crossing the hinterland
between NI and Free Ireland. Everything in NI was so controlled, good
lighting on streets, etc. After crossing through Check Point Paddy
everything got so dark and the four lane turned into 2 with people
on moterbikes and cars traveling both ways down the middle of the
road at high speed. Getting to Dublin and the Irish Coffee was a
great repast. I do remember all the beautiful smiling faces that
wern't evident in No Ireland. And the friendly people. Hope to get
back for more than a radio station tour sometime...
Msg #6552 Dated 12:11:07 06-15-91 6529 <--> 6553
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Amazing the impact that Hoffmann had (and still) on magical
literature. Did he stir the ire of magi in those days when he publshd
his stuff. One book I don't have is Latest Magic, though I coulda
gotten one several times. I had heard it was not up to the quality of
Modern and More. Later was pretty void also to me. I can't wait to
visit you in the Castle Library sometime and to spend a week reading
quietly with no telephone to rattle my nerves.
Msg #6553 Dated 12:11:17 06-15-91 6530 <--> 6554
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Here's a suggestion for you on the custom plexy case for your
mineature pigman magician. have your builder make it of photosensitiv
material so that when the lights are turned on it disseapears.
Msg #6554 Dated 12:11:24 06-15-91 6531 <--> 6556
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I agree about the Newmann bio not having much meat in it. Same with
the Doc Nixon book which was put out by Modern Litho, though it had
some photos of Doc, etc in the shop working on stuff which I always
enjoy. The story of the "dissapearance" of Doc Nixon is a fascinating
study and one of which I had more info. How many volumes (ballpark)
do you have in ya'lls library there at the Fortress? Can understand
about the "locked" section in light of the stories I've heard of
aholees (Ah, a good Hawaiian word for Hangers - Aholees) ripping
stuff off in there. The new Steinmeyer book looks promising though...
Msg #6555 Dated 12:11:35 06-15-91 6534 <--> 6573
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
After a few weeks with a doll like that, you probably wooden care if
the rest of the world existed unless she turned out to be a b......
which is what I'd worry about and why I'd take the Water's Appearing
Boat.
Msg #6556 Dated 12:11:43 06-15-91 6539 <--> 6559
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Is it true?? Evan, I got it from Dominique high in the Malibu Hills.
Msg #6557 Dated 12:23:05 06-15-91 6548 <--> 6583
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SAT.
Am glad to hear that Ballentine is a "nice guy". Once when I was
smoking cigars, my sons and I were in line at a county fair to ride
the tilt-a-whirl and the guy taking the tix was somking a big stogey.
He saw us standing about twenty feet back in line (I was puffing on
a Grenada) and motioned us forward and put us on the last car. The
power of the stogey I guess. Amazed even me. When I was visiting Bill
Smith last year we got to talking about Ballentine and he pointed to
a corner of the shop and there was Carl's beat up old fibre road case
resting quietly. He was making a new one for the mad genius of comedy
and magic. I had to lay hands on the case in a worshipful moment. Its
little things like that that make the difference to me.
Msg #6559 Dated 13:11:21 06-15-91 -> 6560
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Definitely a GOOD year ! I don't like the more modern words like
aaarrrrggggghhhh ! In 1938 it was just plain argh.
Msg #6560 Dated 13:11:31 06-15-91 -> 6561
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
A bush in hand is better than the bird.
Msg #6561 Dated 13:11:40 06-15-91 -> 6562
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
With my balls, yes.
Msg #6562 Dated 13:11:50 06-15-91 -> 6563
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Right spelled Tabby's in Baltimore, my treat - if they can change a
$ 1000 bill.
Msg #6563 Dated 13:11:59 06-15-91 -> 6564
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I must confess I'm a chronic reader and have noticed several articles
that could be contributing to the current state of magic that has
been so vehemently been debated on this BBS lately.
Msg #6564 Dated 13:12:09 06-15-91 -> 6565
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Damn it - I can't figure out what you are replying to. I'm gonna have
to sit down and figure out a way to solve the backward thread problem
I've notived that those using IMP have all of their messages clumped
together and it makes the strings much harder to make sense out of.
.
David if you are reading this put on your thinking cap and see what
we might be able to do about it.
Msg #6565 Dated 13:12:22 06-15-91 -> 6566
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Good luck - mine runneth amuck.
Msg #6566 Dated 13:12:31 06-15-91 -> 6567
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Hey good idea. I'm having the same problem you are, and yes building
a reeaally biig file is not the answer. Original was poofreader -
I responded was that for a magic book.
.
This is reponse to your msg 6270 regarding not being able to back.
Msg #6567 Dated 13:12:44 06-15-91 -> 6568
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Really only 2 years - I didn't think you were a graybeard like me.
You must have started even younger than I did - ah remember the good
old vacuum tube days, when you could really SEE the computer.
.
As you are aware I'm sure, with today's batch of 'computer pros' they
think programming is DBASE III. You speak IBMese, I came through
the JOVIAL, PL1, assembly language school - have been lucky enough
to avoid IBM JCL.
Msg #6568 Dated 13:12:57 06-15-91 -> 6569
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
You mean I can start a new thread with an EA or ER ? Great I'll
check it out this weekend. Regarding the ENTER MSG it should ready
by Sunday. I've been trying to install a new version of Vitamin C
(the C pkg I use for windows gen) to try and get a better editor.
.
Will switch gears and finish ENTER - promise.
Msg #6569 Dated 13:13:10 06-15-91 -> 6570
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
You always strive to be Akurate, especshelly for grant work.
Msg #6570 Dated 13:13:18 06-15-91 -> 6571
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
When will it re-open ??????????? Best guess.
Msg #6571 Dated 13:13:26 06-15-91 -> 6572
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Try a Burton Ale on your sugar pops.
.
Is it true that god created whisky so the Irish wouldn't rule the
world ???
Msg #6572 Dated 13:13:36 06-15-91 -> 6580
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
If the board voted unanimously to dump it, then why is it still there
???? I suggest every Castle member make a point of mentioning it to
every board memeber they see while hanging-out. If enough people bug
them about it - maybe they will be forced to overcome whatever
political problems need to be ironed out.
.
Note to Tabman - I shot about 8 pics of the thing will bring to Balt.
Msg #6573 Dated 13:13:48 06-15-91 -> 6574
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
Not fair - David said the tricks had to be magic. Hmmm on second
thought.
Msg #6574 Dated 13:13:55 06-15-91 -> 6575
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
Speaking of thumb tips, have you read the Ammar subtlty on the
folding of the bill for a bill switch. Its so simple, obvious, and
brilliant !! That one thing made the price of the book for me.
.
I do an inside out bill switch and sometimes the bill hangs up when
trying to open it up, so I have to look down at it. No more - its
GGGRRREEEEAAAAAAATTTTT - Thanks Michael.
Msg #6575 Dated 13:14:05 06-15-91 -> 6598
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
Actually I carry both a thimb and a finger. I use the finger for
the 5th dimension cig vanish and the thumb for a bill switch. Havn't
had a need for a six finger, I have enogh trouble with the ones I
already have attached.
Msg #6576 Dated 13:14:13 06-15-91 -> 6609
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOIKS....
Did the doc file from Procomm 2.4.3 help ? There was also a new versi
on of IMP on the disk - did it survive. Keep it away from the pyramid
Msg #6577 Dated 13:14:19 06-15-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WEEKEND
Pro drunks - amateur gunners !
Msg #6578 Dated 13:14:24 06-15-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HELP
Understood - I wasn't sure why he would use ASCII to the files area
but if he did and still had the pace char set to 58 it would be a
very long wait, like forever !
Msg #6579 Dated 13:14:31 06-15-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
With peperoni no doubt !
Msg #6580 Dated 13:21:13 06-15-91 -> 6581
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
The first magic lecture as such did not take place until the late
1940s. (Bonus point: who was the lecturer?)
Msg #6581 Dated 13:34:16 06-15-91 6551 <--> 6582
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I haven't been there in over twenty years!
Someday...someday...
'W.
Msg #6582 Dated 13:36:04 06-15-91 6553 <--> 6585
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Good idea...but I've already made the arrangements....y'see...a
photocell releases a quantity of acid inside the case...it's a one-time
show, but imagine the joy of watching SuperPig melt!
'W.
Msg #6583 Dated 13:43:37 06-15-91 6557 <--> 6634
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
His claymation commercial is a real killer!!!
(Move over, Michael Jackson!)
'W.
Msg #6585 Dated 14:46:50 06-15-91 6556 <--> 6591
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Grrrrrrrroooooan.
Msg #6587 Dated 14:55:58 06-15-91 -> 6589
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: "TOO PERFECT"
MAGIC!-NL Fri 14 Jun 91 20:13
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
There must be something wrong somewhere with the "Too perfect"
theory. The theory does not seem to be all that perfect itself! The
discussion on mental effects done in a magic show is I think a
different thing, but the theory is also applied to "regular" magic.
"Too perfect" is a paradox! The three card monte of Michael Skinner
can be a good example. If you do it without adding a few suspicious
moves, it becomes too incredible and leads the audience towards the
solution? Does that not mean that somehow the trick is NOT perfect
enough? This so called "too perfect" theory is a dangerous one. It
leads us to a rather cheap solution, just add a few suspicious moves
to keep people from getting on the right track! That at the same
time one puts attention on the fact that what you do is trickery is
a rather high price. Would it not be better to find other ways to
prevent people to get on the right track? For instance with the three
maybe exchange the cards for regular ones? Would it not be better to
have the trick be as good as it can be, and still keep people away
from the solution? O.K., it will take a lot more work, but so what.
I think that is better than
lessening the effect. If this theory is applicable it does not mean
the trick is "too perfect", it means the trick is not perfect yet!
After all, if the too perfect theory would be true, why is it then
that it is not always applicable. There are tricks which are utterly
incomprehensible for the audience, with no danger that we bring them
on the idea of what the method is. These tricks we certainly do not
weaken, do we? The "too perfect" theory is only good for those
people who do not want to work to make the tricks really better. I
suppose this theory is loved by lazy people. By accepting this
theory, we are condoning this cheap way out. I do not accept the
"too perfect" theory, it is lousy, and bad for magic. A "not perfect
yet" theory seems a lot better to me, it suggest making the trick
stronger, the "too perfect" theory suggest making the trick weaker.
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #6588 Dated 14:56:29 06-15-91 -> 6647
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: FISM OPENING GALA
MAGIC!-NL Sat 15 Jun 91 13:10
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Please find below the program of the FISM openings gala in Lausanne.
MC: Aldo Colombini (Italy)
Before Intermission:
Marcus Gabriel (Switzerland) - Prize Winning Act FISM 88
James Brandon (USA)
Veronin (USSR) - Very funny act, saw it in Holland last month
Greg Wilson (USA)
After Intermission:
Schumagulow (USSR) - Have never seen it, Act with Large balloon.
M. Tendo (Japan) - FISM prize winning manipulation act.
Phillipard (Holland) - Illusion act Prize Winning Act Festival de
la Magie in Monaco.
Furthermore I was told Daryl is in the Competition.
Regards,
Arnaud
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #6589 Dated 15:30:10 06-15-91 6587 <--> 6616
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: "TOO PERFECT"
Tommy...your insight on this is astounding!
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, YES, YES, YES!!!!!
The "Not Perfect Yet" theory is not a theory...it's the pure magic
approach!
Thank you!
'Wayne.
Msg #6591 Dated 15:45:22 06-15-91 6564 <--> 6592
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
What we need is the thing to start NEW threads! I'm not trying to goad
or annoy you, but it is so EASY to use IMP! to just hang a thought onto
an existing thread that the threads are a mess. Of course, they
weren't exactly pristine pure before, but...
Maybe we need some kind of batch file or processor in IMP! that
"retires" downloads one behind. In other words, today I download A.
Tommorow I download B. B gets concatenated to A. Day after, I
download C. C gets catted to B and A gets "retired" to a .BAK file.
When D arrives, it is catted to C, B goes to .BAK, and A goes either
into a long term file, if the person wants it, or to the bit bucket.
Msg #6592 Dated 15:50:10 06-15-91 6567 <--> 6593
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I remember putting a speaker on the top of the cabinet and HEARING the
oscillators! Using the proper Hollerith ("punch") cards, you could
make the frame play "music!"
I remember FORTRAN when there was NO NUMBER after the name, used to
program in PL1, can still do a bit of JCL, not too good at BAL, but,
the killer, I used to program in APL!
Now, if I could only figure out what all this has to do with MAGIC!
Msg #6593 Dated 15:53:51 06-15-91 6568 <--> 6594
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I think that IN THEORY you could start a new thread with ER or EA.
Take a look at UNTHREAD. You do have to supply a new topic though.
Msg #6594 Dated 15:55:11 06-15-91 6572 <--> 6596
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
That's why I think there is something very political behind the Super
Pig scene. I suspect that there is some kind of contract with the
artist that was signed WITHOUT board approval. Maybe a penalty for
early withdrawal (I've heard that line a million times, but never typed
it before - suddenly I realized how many meanings it has!). I'm pretty
sure that Michael is NOT aware that there is a "problem."
Msg #6596 Dated 15:57:37 06-15-91 6594 <--> 6602
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
P.S. When we are in Balt., gimme one and I'll upload it for the folks
who've never seen the monster.
P.P.S. - You did confirm the change with the hotel, right?
Msg #6597 Dated 15:59:14 06-15-91 6532 <--> 6612
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
I agree. But someone is going to have to tell us if it can be done.
At the moment, while we have some Magic Circle folks on here in the
U.S., I don't believe we have anyone on "live" from England. You know,
I just realized something -- the Super Pig should go to the Magic
Circle - it could become the Magic Circle Pig - MCP for short!
Msg #6598 Dated 16:05:26 06-15-91 6573 <--> 6599
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
I haven't backed up to look, but I think I said "magical item," leaving
the door open to humans. I didn't expect these kinds of answers
though.
Msg #6599 Dated 16:06:50 06-15-91 6574 <--> 6608
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
I've been so backlogged taking care of behind the scenes work on MAGIC!
and trying to do a little paying business on the side, that I haven't
gotten to the bill switch yet. But I sure plan to!
Msg #6600 Dated 16:05:54 06-15-91 -> 6604
From: JOHN JOLLY
To: ALL
Re: CARDS & WEBBER
Couple of things.
1. Found some decks today that were kind of interesting.
USPC put them out in 1990 (I guess). they are Baseball Blaying
Cards; kinda' a cross between trading and playing cards. Nice
stock...might be a collectors item. Says on the box to look
for the 1991 edition comming soon?!
Stock is #285. Found these here at a Sears Surplus Store for
$4.50.
2. Anybody bought the new Webber book, Life Savers?? Looks
good...gimme some feedback.
thanx,
jj
.........................!poof!
Msg #6601 Dated 16:08:40 06-15-91 6538 <--> 6630
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ?
R;* and then a ! before logoff - or even a !! - is pretty good.
Msg #6602 Dated 16:07:17 06-15-91 -> 6603
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I've got an idea for super pig. If the artist would be kind enough to
sell it for a small sum or donate it outright, (Assuming from the
comments we've heard that no one wants it, etc.) we could sell tickets
at say, $1.00 a pop to take your best swing with a 16 pound sledge.
Proceeds to go to replace the original fountain and excess to go
towards the Castle library. From what I can tell we could raise some
serious money for a worthy cause! I'm in for $50.00 worth!
Msg #6603 Dated 16:15:55 06-15-91 6511 <--> 6605
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I wonder how many plastic model cars he will be cannibalizing for parts
to make all of those super-piglets? I'll bet the rosewood bases will
be beautiful but I'd rather see something else mounted on it.
Msg #6604 Dated 16:20:18 06-15-91 6600 <--> 6614
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JOHN JOLLY
Re: CARDS & WEBBER
Thanks for the info on the baseball playing cards - they DO sound
interesting!
As to Life Savers, I don't think it is being shipped yet. But the
pre-publication reviews sound very good.
Msg #6605 Dated 16:21:23 06-15-91 6580 <--> 6606
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHAT IF
As far as I know, it was Saturday May 24, 1947. The event was The 1st
California Leture by the professor, Dai Vernon. It lasted about 3 hrs
and included a buffet supper. It was held in San Francisco.
Msg #6606 Dated 16:21:29 06-15-91 6582 <--> 6607
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Well, if you're using acid, be careful and don't get any on that
blazer.
Msg #6607 Dated 16:21:34 06-15-91 6564 <--> 6610
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Pete made an excellent suggestion regarding the use of IMP which I
have been making an effort to implement in my writings using same.
It is the use of references to the previous message you are replying
to. It is actually helping me focus my attention toward a proper
reply. However, it still doesn't help my spelling.
Msg #6608 Dated 16:21:43 06-15-91 6575 <--> 6644
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
Dear Jerry, in message 6575 you state that you carry both a THIMB
and a finger. I'm a little unclear on the proper use of the thimb
and cant seem to find a good reference to it anywhere in my library.
-S-
Msg #6609 Dated 16:21:49 06-15-91 6576 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOIKS....
Yes, the new IMP survived and I'm using it now. Haven't had much time
to go over the .DOC yet.
Msg #6610 Dated 16:21:31 06-15-91 6602 <--> 6615
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WHAT IF
A GREAT idea, Stan. But I understand that the "artist" thinks he has
actually conceived something beautiful and important and I don't think
he would go for it. HOWEVER, if it could be done, I'd certainly go for
$50 worth of swings! Heck, I'd pay $50 if I could just have the FIRST
SWING!
Msg #6611 Dated 16:43:51 06-15-91
From: RICHARD HART
To: ALL
Re: COLLECTORS!
Ok, gang. I've just got a line on a fellow who has a collection of
magic props from Thayer, Wallace, etc. and 85 magic books all dating
from 1900-1940's. Includes a mirror box once owned by Houdini, a 1938
Gilbert magic (no box) set in mint condition, some Brema stuff, a
head-chopper, Archetect's nightmare, and a number of effects from the
Thayer catalog.
This gentleman purchased the stuff new in 1940-1945, and packed it up
before being sent to Korea. He now wants to sell off this collection.
I'm going to meet with him tomorrow (Sunday, 6/15) to review the
collection and possibly make a bid on it. He's already accepted bids
from a guy in S.F., a guy in Hawaii, and two guys from San Diego.
I'm going to try and see if I can't make him a better offer, but being
a little cash-poor at the moment, I'm afraid I may not be able to match
the earlier bids, so I turn to the gang here.
Anyone seriously interested in pooling our resources and perhaps going
in on a collective bid, give me a call anytime tonight at
(818) 894-0593 ask for Richard
The book collection contains a few old Sphinx magazines, an old Genii
magazine (Oct 31 issue with Bess Houdini on the cover), a copy of
Greater Magic, etc. He wants to sell the collection in one piece.
If you're interested, give me a call. If you're interested in joining
me tomorrow to view the collection, he lives in the Culver City/Palms
area. Call me and we can arrange something.
This is HOT, so act now
all me.
_richard
Msg #6612 Dated 17:29:25 06-15-91 6597 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
THAT would REALLY screw up US/Brit relations!!!!
'W.
Msg #6614 Dated 18:48:33 06-15-91 6600 <--> 6651
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JOHN JOLLY
Re: CARDS & WEBBER
The Weber book will be out next week. I've seen the galleys; it is
everything it's claimed to be, and worth your while.
Msg #6615 Dated 18:49:51 06-15-91 6605 <--> 6620
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Good guess. Not the right guess, mind you, but a good one. The Vernon
lecture was second; first was Harlan Tarbell, shortly before.
Msg #6616 Dated 18:51:55 06-15-91 6587 <--> 6648
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: "TOO PERFECT"
Tommy: I think your reaction to the "Too Perfect" theory is too hasty.
As I commented earlier, I think the theory is problematic, and it does
not apply to many -- perhaps most -- tricks. However, there is more to
the theory than the simple idea that strong tricks should be made weak
(which is, of course, a terrible idea). I think there is merit in using
the theory as one (of many) aspects of the analysis of a routine, as a
means of staying aware of the spectators' direction of thought.
I'm not sure there is _any_ theory which can be universally followed in
the development of good magic. For example, Juan Tamariz has his
"Theory of False Solutions," which has been around for a very long time
but was never codified until he published it. It is an approach which
can lead to some wonderful magic, but if you try to apply it to every
routine you will have some very bad results.
The value of Rick Johnsson's "Too Perfect" theory is, I think, not that
it provides answers, but rather that it raises important questions. As
such, it should not be dismissed so quickly.
Msg #6617 Dated 19:29:54 06-15-91 5484 <--> 6621
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAIL
Tabman: Ok glad you got the package. Thanks for the help. Ray called
yesterday. By the way the Forks Hotel is now history.The building is
going up for auction next week. Eddie Fechter is probably laying
face-down if not doing 360's. So It will be interesting to see what
happens with the FFFF now. It certainly won't be the same not being in
that old building.
Msg #6620 Dated 21:34:28 06-15-91 6615 <--> 6624
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Dr. Tarbell, huh? Well, you can't leave me hanging. I wanna know
when, where, etc. Lemme guess. Where: Chicago? Was Okito in
attendence? Walter Gibson? Not the right guess, mind you ""....
that was good...I have a photo in the oddities collection bearing
Okito's seal of those guys taken probably in Chicago. Wood be cool
if I had photo of first modern magic lecture and didn't know it.
Next question please...
Msg #6621 Dated 21:34:37 06-15-91 6617 <--> 6688
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: MAIL
The Forks on the block!! I was just telling Dante Larsen that it
was still pouring drinks as of a few days ago. Well, I guess ya'll
will have to move the FFFF to the Holiday Inn. Better get all the
rooms since the Precursor Suite got busted for making too much noise
this past year over at HI. Didn't I see Eddie's wife at FFFF 21
sitting with Frank Garcia and you over at the corner table by the
door? Be interesting to see how much the bldg and land go for. Not
the best area for sure, but close enuff to everything. You and Ray
sure brighten up the place, I know you both will miss it.
Msg #6623 Dated 21:10:36 06-15-91 -> 6669
From: ANDREW T OAKDEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIZARDS WEEKEND
Sure!!! Some of the great people I met were Mel Stover, Brian Flora,
Docc Hilford, and many more. On friday June 7 we first started out
with the junior magicians contest. Then we went right on to the close
up show. The performers were Al Schneider, Jack Boyd, James Currie,
and Mary Tomich. Next was the cabaret show which was great. It
included David Baer(?), Docc Hilford, and many other great acts. Next
we went on to a lecture by John Cornelius which was great. Then at the
witching hour of 12:15 there was a lecture by Docc Hilford (which was
a perfect time for his WEERD! lecture). Saturday the 8 we started of
with a great lecture by Chris Carey a great person with children.
Moving right along we had the dealer show, there is some really great
new illusions. Next came the workshops. I learned the crazy mans
handcuffs. A really great lecture came next by Johnny Thompson the
alter ego of THE GREAT TOMSINI! Another close up show with John
Bannon, John Cornelius, Docc Hilford, and Johnny Thompson. Then came
the great public show. The weekends "crown jewel": featuring the
talents of Chris Carey, Jack Boyd, Michael Madden, Ian & Hillary Flora,
David Gower, and The Great Tomsini & Company. Sunday June 9 brought
on another great lecture by John Bannon (great close up). And last but
not least Professor Brian Flora presented "Making a Living Doing Family
Magic". Even though this was my first convention, it will probly be my
most memoribal.
Msg #6624 Dated 22:33:01 06-15-91 6504 <--> 6625
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I bet it is a passageway to a BAR! Hey, weren't all the early magic
books titled things like "The Boys Own Conjuring" and "Home
Recreations" etc.?
Msg #6625 Dated 22:33:11 06-15-91 6505 <--> 6626
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Someone told me IRISH Coffee was invented at the Buena Vista Cafe,
in San Francisco. Caesar's Salad was invented in Tijuana, Mexico.
Msg #6626 Dated 22:33:20 06-15-91 6511 <--> 6629
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Too bad, I don't like Rosewood.
Msg #6627 Dated 22:33:27 06-15-91 6512 <--> 6635
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Maybe the kick starter is loose?
Msg #6628 Dated 22:33:33 06-15-91 6517 <--> 6713
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TEAPOT MELTDOWN
You call THOSE GUESTS "dignitaries" -- must not be me and David.
Msg #6629 Dated 22:33:38 06-15-91 6518 <--> 6631
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Super POT!
Msg #6630 Dated 22:33:46 06-15-91 6523 <--> 6670
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ?
Sponsored by AT&T?
Msg #6631 Dated 22:33:51 06-15-91 6525 <--> 6632
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Did the painting COME WITH the joint?
Msg #6632 Dated 22:34:00 06-15-91 6526 <--> 6637
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
To a BAR?
Msg #6634 Dated 22:34:12 06-15-91 6541 <--> 6636
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
Seabrooke and Jay are stand up talk acts... I'm looking for complete
madness on stage. Ballantine, as great as he is, is barely in THAT
category. Les Bubb, the great mime and Avener the Accentric, both
on my St. Louis show are in that vein.
Msg #6635 Dated 22:34:21 06-15-91 6545 <--> 7143
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M BACK
GAd, I read this message before I saw who it was from. Mo' dittos
from here...
Msg #6636 Dated 22:34:27 06-15-91 6548 <--> 6646
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SAT.
Carl and I were talking backstage before his act at the Long Beach
IBM and I mentioned that my Mom, an ex-vaudevillian was in the
audience, for the first time she was able to get out in years, due
to health... And when he went onstage, before he did his act,
he pointed her out in the aud. and dedicated his act that night to
her. He got TWO standing O's. One for a recovery-ad lib and the
other at the end of his act! Great guy, and will see him this
coming week at the PCAM.
Msg #6637 Dated 22:34:39 06-15-91 6552 <--> 6638
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
My guess, based on words I have read and heard from known authority
types, was that Hoffman and even more-so Goldston, published "what
they thought" were the methods. And tipped effects and premises
without permitzio! Much of what is in the locked books don't woik!
Msg #6638 Dated 22:34:49 06-15-91 6559 <--> 6639
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Nothing is "just plain" no mo. And students of the keyboard will
realise that aaarrrgggghhhhh is really argh typed with a dull,
heavy hand!
Msg #6639 Dated 22:34:58 06-15-91 6560 <--> 6640
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
YOU WIN SUPER PIG WITH THAT LINE!!!!!!!
Msg #6640 Dated 22:35:05 06-15-91 6562 <--> 6641
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Change it to what?
Msg #6641 Dated 22:35:12 06-15-91 6563 <--> 6642
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
You mean all the CRAP making print of late? At high prices yet.
They keep re-inventing the old wheel don't they!
Msg #6642 Dated 22:35:20 06-15-91 6564 <--> 6643
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Thass what I is been saying all along. I will see a message to me
and I can't for the life of me remember what the hey the question
was. Of course that is just me. Like I will log on, name a file,
let it load, then go into IMP! and I can't remember what the file
name was. So I exit, go into XTREE and look it up. (and write it
down)!argh
Msg #6643 Dated 22:35:32 06-15-91 6566 <--> 6645
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
The only "backing" i been doing lately is out of the driveway.
Msg #6644 Dated 22:35:39 06-15-91 6574 <--> 6665
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
Someday you need to go to Las Vegas and see Johnny Paul switch
bills. No thumb tips, no subtleties... AND HE'LL FOOL THE WEE OUT
OF YOU. And the bill that runs across the table. I have no idea.
He does a great torn bill and has a guy nearby with a broom and
duspan (great set up)a and tosses the torn up pieces on floor,
guy comes by sweeps up and leaves! ENTERTAINMENT PLUS!
Msg #6645 Dated 22:35:49 06-15-91 6580 <--> 6649
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHAT IF
The first lecturer was Leslie Guest. OK, what do I win?
Msg #6646 Dated 22:35:56 06-15-91 6583 <--> 6657
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SAT.
You talking about Ballantine's claymation image! A definite A+
Msg #6647 Dated 22:36:01 06-15-91 6588 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FISM OPENING GALA
I fly to Geneva and train to Lausanne. After FISM by car with
Otto Wesseley to Crosne, France (his home) for a day or two, then
to Paris. Will see you all at Lausanne.
Msg #6648 Dated 22:36:09 06-15-91 6589 <--> 6658
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: "TOO PERFECT"
Tommy is a Wonder. Real name Jos Bema... but his name Tommy Wonder
is one of the best magic names I have ever heard. Great guy too.
Likes Sushi.
Msg #6649 Dated 22:36:16 06-15-91 6591 <--> 6650
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
You got it all wrong. What you need is a guy to join that is really
rich. And he puts in 800 numbers. Run some ads in the big magazine.
Msg #6650 Dated 22:36:24 06-15-91 6594 <--> 6652
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Have you looked closely at Super Pig, maybe there is a price tag
on it somewhere.
Msg #6651 Dated 22:36:32 06-15-91 6600 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JOHN JOLLY
Re: CARDS & WEBBER
Life savers is "said to be" great, as most of Webers stuff is.
Mike Close and he are pals, and Close is coming to Baltimore IBM
with a NEW BOOK, "Workers II" -stuff I have seen him do at
Illusions.
Msg #6652 Dated 22:36:39 06-15-91 6615 <--> 6656
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Rats... I was going to say Harlan, figuring it was a promo for the
"Course" but I remembered the first lecturer I ever saw was Guest.
Msg #6653 Dated 22:39:18 06-15-91 -> 6654
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAVEN'S KIRIGAMI
Oh gosh, golly, gee. I'm embarrassed. Thanks for the compliments. Today
seems to be a good day for me. At work (Video Rentals) I did such a
good job I got a tip! (Which we aren;t supposed to get). And then I
come home to a letter like this (and the latest issue of M-U-M!). I am
very glad I learned this lesson earlier in my magic career rather than
later. Now the only problem is how to deflate my ego after such a good
day!
Msg #6654 Dated 22:44:31 06-15-91 -> 6671
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAVEN'S KIRIGAMI
Whooops! I ran into a fellow SAMer today and asked him the trivia
question. Guess I'll tell him when I see him at the PCAM convention.
Msg #6655 Dated 22:46:28 06-15-91 -> 6672
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: STUFF
Well, It's about time for PCAM. This will be my first Magic convention.
I can't wait. Apparently Carl Ballantine isn't feeling well, and won't
be attending the convention as planned. If any one of you has contact
with him, tell him the conventioneers will be thinking of him, and hope
he gets better.
Interesting item: As our usual SAM#112 meeting place in being converted
back into a school, we have been looking for a new place to meet. We
had found a church hall with a great stage, and even had the
arrangements made for regular meetings, BUT they found out we were
magicians and they changed their mind! Apparently they thought we were
some kind of cult or something...
Did anyone catch A&E REVUE on Friday (14th)? I caught the very end of
it about a magician. Does any one know who this magician is? If it
helps, the one effect of his I did see was a silk thru mirror effect
with patter about a Chinese emperor who demanded to know the secret of
the magic mirror. If you know who he his, does he have a TV show or
tour coming up?
Msg #6656 Dated 23:01:44 06-15-91 6620 <--> 6659
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Sorry, can't recall of the top of my head, but I think it was either
Chicago or New York.
Msg #6657 Dated 23:02:15 06-15-91 6634 <--> 6679
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
"Complete madness on stage" suggests a certain wildness that I don't
think applies at all to Avner.
Msg #6658 Dated 23:02:52 06-15-91 6648 <--> 6681
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TOO PERFECT"
Actually, "Jos Bema" was also a stage name -- a simplification on his
given name, Josef Bemelman. But, by any name, he's still a wonder!
Msg #6659 Dated 23:58:50 06-15-91 6552 <--> 6660
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Yes, there was a fair amount of unhappiness at the time that Hoffmann
published. Latest Magic is not great, but is certainly worth going
through. I can't agree with you on Later Magic; it is my favorite of
the big three -- particularly the second edition, which had the Hartz
Devil Of A Hat material and so on.
Msg #6660 Dated 0:01:25 06-16-91 6554 <--> 6661
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
A rough estimate is around 5100 items, not including the magazine files
and some other unnumbered stuff. We're reworking the database so
before long I will be doing a complete inventory and subsequent revise
of listings, and then I will have a more exact figure.
The Steinmeyer book is excellent; my review of it, which will appear
in August Genii, says it is a gift at the price -- and I think that's
a fair statement.
Msg #6661 Dated 0:05:47 06-16-91 6570 <--> 6662
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Re-opening date for the library is in the hands of the gods -- or, more
accurately, my boss Milt Larsen. Still a fair amount of construction
work to be done, though; but for specific research projects people can
make appointments with me.
Msg #6662 Dated 0:08:57 06-16-91 6629 <--> 6663
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Right! Super Pot! Heck, it could hang in the lobby - it has GOT to be
better than Super Pig.
Msg #6663 Dated 0:10:23 06-16-91 6632 <--> 6664
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
From a bar to a bar -- eventually.
Msg #6664 Dated 0:12:25 06-16-91 6649 <--> 6666
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Yeah, well, I've tried recruiting someone really rich to pay for 800
numbers for everyone - but in addition to being rich, Marv Stern is too
smart to go for it. You know any rich magicians - even Hangers?
Msg #6665 Dated 0:14:10 06-16-91 6555 <--> 6707
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
I'd take that chance...
Msg #6666 Dated 0:14:15 06-16-91 6650 <--> 6674
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
If there was a pricetag, it has long since been washed away by the
flodd of criticism. I've noticed that even the crows won't land on
that thing.
Msg #6669 Dated 0:30:52 06-16-91 6623 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANDREW T OAKDEN
Re: WIZARDS WEEKEND
Thank You for the report! Really appreciate your time in putting it
together. Sounds like you had a great time - some very good folk were
there.
Msg #6670 Dated 0:32:45 06-16-91 6630 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ?
Not a bad idea, Pete! Will call AT&T in the morning to see if they
want to pitch in. Hmmmmm..... Maybe it could be MAGIC!'s first video
teleconference.
Msg #6671 Dated 0:42:59 06-16-91 6653 <--> 7043
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAVEN'S KIRIGAMI
The only thing better could have been a copy of the Linking Ring
waiting for you at home
Msg #6672 Dated 0:44:01 06-16-91 6655 <--> 7044
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: STUFF
Some one should invite the person n charge of the church hall to see a
show and show them that the group isn't a cult but a group of good
folks trying to fool one another. (Even give Zombie a shot)
Msg #6674 Dated 0:45:33 06-16-91 6661 <--> 6675
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Maybe the super pic can be used as a bookmark (replica, of coure)
Msg #6675 Dated 0:46:05 06-16-91 6662 <--> 6676
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
And it looks great.
Msg #6676 Dated 0:46:19 06-16-91 6663 <--> 6677
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I knew it.
Msg #6677 Dated 0:46:41 06-16-91 6664 <--> 6678
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
No, I don't know any rich Magicians.
(at least not rich from magic)
Msg #6678 Dated 0:47:21 06-16-91 6666 <--> 6683
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Flodds really screw things up. Almost as bad as floods.
Msg #6679 Dated 0:47:47 06-16-91 6657 <--> 6694
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SAT.
Well, Avner is a 'CALMER' wildness... you know, wild, like 'wild man'.
In the musician's parlance... argh. Topper can be. Otto is. Samson is.
Geo. Carl is -- in the quieter sense. The Banana Man was, ditto.
I really mean visually outragous.
Msg #6681 Dated 0:49:27 06-16-91 6658 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: "TOO PERFECT"
Like Bongers.
Msg #6683 Dated 1:39:36 06-16-91 6677 <--> 6685
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Well, find some that are rich from something else! Someone who would
like to see their money USED for "magic research" rather than just tied
up in some collection of books...
Msg #6685 Dated 1:42:50 06-16-91 6675 <--> 6692
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Hey, I think your melted pot should replace Super Pig! But you'll have
to paint it black - talk about the pot calling the kettle..... ARGH!
Msg #6686 Dated 1:49:16 06-16-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-31
The thirty-first set of MAGIC! messages - #5000 (June 6, 1991)
to #5499 (June 11, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-31.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the thirty-
first volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-31.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #6687 Dated 1:49:52 06-16-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-32
The thirty-second set of MAGIC! messages - #5500 (June 11, 1991)
to #5999 (June 13, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-32.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the thirty-
second volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-32.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #6688 Dated 2:04:26 06-16-91 5484 <--> 6716
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAIL
Tabby -
Evidently you somehow missed reading message # 5484 addressed to you.
You might want to go back and read it. You can do so from this message
by typing B for Back at the submenu (if you are using a standard R;*
read command).
Msg #6689 Dated 2:17:55 06-16-91 -> 6690
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TAHOE
Going to Amarillo area. Pampa to be exact....
Annual pilgrimage to mother-in-laws residence. Sometimes you have to
do the family visit when you have a vacation. That doesn't seem
totally fair!
Msg #6690 Dated 2:20:16 06-16-91 6513 <--> 6691
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TAHOE
see message #6689 for location. You may have to call the AAA for
directions to Pampa. Where is Dime Box or Crabb??? Pam says she
never heard of either one.
Msg #6691 Dated 2:22:08 06-16-91 6546 <--> 6717
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TAHOE
Would like to meet Walter but Houston is about 12 hours drive... I
think it's closer to drive back to California.
Msg #6692 Dated 2:31:22 06-16-91 6631 <--> 6698
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I never got that far...I could barely afford the DINNER!!!
'W.
Msg #6694 Dated 2:41:07 06-16-91 6636 <--> 6695
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Wish I could join you guys...(it's still not impossible.)
'W.
Msg #6695 Dated 2:42:07 06-16-91 6646 <--> 6697
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Yes indeed.
'W.
Msg #6697 Dated 2:48:10 06-16-91 6679 <--> 6709
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
How about Dan "Sylvester The Jester"?
'W.
Msg #6698 Dated 3:01:41 06-16-91 6593 <--> 6699
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Are you using IMP ? Your msgs are sequential and correspond to the
order I put in my original msgs. I plan to redo the program today to
display the submenu at the end, rather than just automatically adding
an S. I need to figure out what A,C,D,E,H,I,L,M,N,S,U,? all mean.
I know S is for save, and U is for Unthread (whatever that means),
the others are so obvious.
.
Do recommend providing them all or just a subset ? Let me know ASAP.
.
I had a thought concerning the inability to go backward to see what
msg a given reply was to. If each days mesgs were added to a master
file using function 5, and the system would keep a BEGIN pointer
that would point to the beginning of a given days files then your
new viewing would start at the BEGIN point. I can modify the program
to remember where you are in the file, so that when you do a <-
to read a prior msg, all you have to do is hit enter after reading
it to get back (forward) to the msg you were viewing when you hit the
<-.
.
I spent all day literally rewriting the program to use the new
libaries that have a full fledged text editor. The new libraries
use a totally different set of functions, so I had to change the whol
e thing - dumb !
.
Starting today there will be 2 versions of the program. One using
the old functions so I can incorporate the suggestions people make
and the second for the new functions. When the new one is debugged
I'll release it for beta.
.
Its always amazed me how many programming languages there have been
that are the last word, until the next one, and the next, and the ...
Msg #6699 Dated 3:02:12 06-16-91 6594 <--> 6700
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Yeah - that's what my girlfriend always told me.
.
Let's start a petition for either removal or demolition. What if we
get some sandwich boards, and pig costumes, and picket the place on
a Sunday afternoon ??? We could claim we are animals rights activists
and find it to be demeaning to the fine image of real pigs.
Msg #6700 Dated 3:02:23 06-16-91 6596 <--> 6701
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Right - a double. Sat through Tues night. I'm leaving Tues evening
for conneticut. Have a meeting with Joe Engelberger to discuss robots
Weds a.m. so will miss the late stuff Tues. If you need a room
before Sat evening you should call right away to try and get convtn
rates.
Msg #6701 Dated 3:02:33 06-16-91 6602 <--> 6702
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Good idea, I'll take 50 whacks.
Msg #6702 Dated 3:02:40 06-16-91 6607 <--> 6703
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
See my reply to David. I'm trying to modify the program to get
around the problem. And yes Pete's idea was good, it accomplishes
2 things. 1) It gets your focus going, and 2) it avoids having to
go back to a prior msg to refresh your memory.
.
Your spelling looks 1938 to me.
Msg #6703 Dated 3:02:51 06-16-91 6639 <--> 6704
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
With that as a prize I'm not sure whether you are telling me you
liked the line, or it falls into the same category as the pig ???
Msg #6704 Dated 3:02:57 06-16-91 6640 <--> 6705
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I'll give you one the next time I see you and you'll know what I
meant - real money.
Msg #6705 Dated 3:03:04 06-16-91 6642 <--> 6706
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I've been thinking about adding a directory function so you could
see what files are on the disk, without having to leave IMP. Lower
priority item right now tho. Paper will have to do for now.
Msg #6706 Dated 3:03:10 06-16-91 6661 <--> 6708
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Our Father who art at the Castle, Milt be thy name. Give us this
year our library back. Amen
Msg #6707 Dated 3:03:16 06-16-91 6644 <--> 6733
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
I've seen Johnny several times at DMC, but never the bill switch
sounds great - any hints on how its done ?????
Msg #6708 Dated 4:31:04 06-16-91 6677 <--> 6712
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Yes you do.
Msg #6709 Dated 4:34:04 06-16-91 6679 <--> 6721
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
I know what you mean, but I still wouldn't put Avner on the list. This
has nothing to do with my opinion of Avner; he is superb. But I think
a key ingredient in your "wild" definition would have to be a quality
of being on the edge, on the verge of losing control -- sort of a
frenzy that's bubbling just beneath the surface. That's certainly
present with Otto and Jorgen; a bit softer with Topper and George; and,
to me, not there with Avner. There's something quite different under
the surface with him.
I would add Bob Read to the "wild" list. By the way, did you know
that Bob just quit his job? He's probably going to go full-time pro, at
long last. File that for next year's IBM booking...
Msg #6710 Dated 5:43:47 06-16-91 -> 6842
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
Here's a died and gone to heaven joke that I think fits Evan, Wayne,
Max etc. real well.
.
A soccer referee dies and goes to heaven and is met at the pearly gates
by St. Peter. St. Pete sez "We don't let just anyone into Heaven, only
special people can come in." Well the referee replies that he was just
that and do soccer referee's qualify. Yes, but only if they are good
enough. Well he sez, I started as an amateur referee for AYSO
(American Youth Soccer Organization) and worked my way up thru USSF and
final to FIFA level. Well St. Pete was impressed, but he said "not
good enough, we only take the best of the best". The referee replied
that when he died he was as high as you could go in soccer refereeing,
Chief Referee for FIFA.
.
Well that still wasn't good enough for St. Pete, he wanted something
special, something that set this guy apart from his peers and showed he
had really contributed something to the art or sport of soccer, a
special something.
.
Well the referee replied, the last game I refereed was a World Cup
final between Argentina and Brazil in Buenos Aires. With a minute to
go in regulation time the score was tied 1-1 when an Argentinian fouled
a Brazilian in his own penalty area. I had to call the foul and award
Brazil a penalty shot. As time ran out the brazilians scored and won
the game 2-1.
.
St Pete was really impressed, but replied, "Thats a real gutsy call, if
you have a history of those we just might let you in." At this point
the referee cried out in dispair, "HOW COULD I, THAT JUST HAPPENED
THREE MINUTES AGO"
.
Substitute Magi for referee and we may just have something here.
.
Randy
Msg #6711 Dated 5:56:41 06-16-91 -> 6736
From: RANDY LUND
To: SYSOP
Re: MAGIC3DB
I decided to go ahead with V3 of MAGICdB. I wanted the ideas from
Micheal Ammars new book incorporated in my database anyway. V3, when
it is ready for release will have the following new features.
.
A section similar to the patter for Spectator, Lighting, Staging and
audience reaction data.
.
Increase the trick database to at least 500, maybe larger
.
Possibly I will add an archive section of practically unlimited
(32000+) length for maintaining information on every trick anyone has
ever heard of.
.
Given the generally poor response for either cash (none) or ideas from
the BB I probably will not release this version generally on the board,
but will supply it on disk with manual at some reasonable quid pro quo.
Maybe Tabman and I can work something out for one of those magic wands.
etc. As soon as I get it up and fully functional I'll send you a copy
for your evaluation and use.
.
Thanks for all the help and kind words
Randy
Msg #6712 Dated 8:14:30 06-16-91 6624 <--> 6714
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I've got a copy of Parlor Amusements and Evening Entertainment by
the Professor Hoffmann. I've got a book also called The Boy Mechanic
which has good percentage of conjuring in it most of it seemingly
"lifted" from the pages of The Sphinx. Don't know if with permission
of not. Yes, I think it is subtrafuge for a secret entrance from
the library to the bar myself, at least I hope it is.
Msg #6713 Dated 8:14:41 06-16-91 6628 <--> 6738
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEAPOT MELTDOWN
OK, maybe I misspelled it. Try dignutaries then and see if you dont
feel better.
Msg #6714 Dated 8:14:46 06-16-91 6659 <--> 6715
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Interesting to note that you like Later Magic best of the big three
and this will mostdef cause me to take a closer read and rethink my
position which was made when I was younger, which I'm not that anymo.
I guess I'll have to pick up Latest sometime and check it out.
Msg #6715 Dated 8:14:54 06-16-91 6660 <--> 6719
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Do you keep track of the books, ec on a computer there in the library
or what? I guess with 5100+ books, not incl magazines, etc you'd have
to. I know you're ready for it to open.
Msg #6716 Dated 8:15:01 06-16-91 6688 <--> 6767
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAIL
Well, somehow MAGIC! missed the fact that I had already read and
responded to it. I picked it up with a rc;* maybe that had something
to do with it??
Msg #6717 Dated 8:15:07 06-16-91 6690 <--> 6718
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TAHOE
Well, Crabb, Texas is in the Houston - Austin corredor and Dime Box
is east Tex if I recall. Look ona map.
Msg #6718 Dated 8:15:12 06-16-91 6691 <--> 6727
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TAHOE
Yeah, too bad. But Walter might know someone over where you're gonna
be, so lemme know if you need the ##.
Msg #6719 Dated 8:15:18 06-16-91 6625 <--> 6720
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I can't believe that Irish Coffee was invented in San Francisco. I
can, however, believe that Caesars Salad was invented in Tijuana.
Msg #6720 Dated 8:15:25 06-16-91 6626 <--> 6722
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
What do you have against Rosewood? How about Cocobolo then?
Msg #6721 Dated 8:15:32 06-16-91 6634 <--> 6728
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
As far as complete maddness on stage is concerned, your experience
will have to prevail. What is Les Bubb doing now since the Vaud 2000
show?
Msg #6722 Dated 8:15:39 06-16-91 6637 <--> 6723
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Goldston's locked books never seemed that big a deal to me outside
the collectors value and snob appeal for owning. Hoffmann on the
other hand I like.
Msg #6723 Dated 8:15:46 06-16-91 6656 <--> 6724
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Well, thanks Max. I'll try to find out when and where Dr. Tarbell
did the first lecture. Until then........
Msg #6724 Dated 8:59:13 06-16-91 6701 <--> 6725
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
That makes $150 pledged so far for demolition of and fundraising from
superpig. That's a good start!
Msg #6725 Dated 10:09:45 06-16-91 6683 <--> 6726
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I've been selling off stuff to pay my phone bills. Thanks to the
astute buyers here online!
Msg #6726 Dated 10:09:52 06-16-91 6685 <--> 6729
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
It was shiny black. It is dull black. It is aaaarrrrrggggghhhhh!
Msg #6727 Dated 10:09:59 06-16-91 6691 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: TAHOE
He is an accomodating guy, maybe he'll come see you!
Msg #6728 Dated 10:10:04 06-16-91 6697 <--> 6735
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SAT.
I have just hired him for Baltimore -- but never really seen what
he is doing now. Only saw an old close up show tape. Will know soon.
Msg #6729 Dated 10:10:10 06-16-91 6698 <--> 6730
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Question. When is see <-WALK-> what do you strike? Just the <
or do you need the - to go with the <-
And just what do it do? Since no one has published a book on IMP!
yet that I have found at B. Dalton.
Msg #6730 Dated 10:10:19 06-16-91 6699 <--> 6731
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
How about a call to the Hollywood chamber of commerce and get them
on it?
Msg #6731 Dated 10:10:26 06-16-91 6702 <--> 6732
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
On Compuserve's (dirty word here?) Photo Forum almost all messages
replying to someone START with I like the 2.8 lens (which is a
brief from the message the person is replying to) then you answer
and the orig person knows which message you are answering. Sometimes
it is a day or three and you forget what you were thinking about
then.
Frankly (and this is the honest, serious me whackin the keys) I hate
messages that say: "Sure enough" or "I agree" -- OK? Thanks much
anyway, as I think my latest phone bill (yesterday) was about 25%
down!
Msg #6732 Dated 10:10:42 06-16-91 6703 <--> 6734
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Your LINE about the pig WAS GREAT!
Msg #6733 Dated 10:10:48 06-16-91 6707 <--> 6831
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
Johnny Paul just does GOOD OLD FASHIONED sleight of hand, but with
charm and style AIDED by great timing/misdirection. And a lot of
repeat performances. Maybe 40,000.
Msg #6734 Dated 10:10:55 06-16-91 6708 <--> 6737
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHAT IF
"Yes you do" is your message to me. With IMP! (It might change
according to the Burtman) I don't know what you are responding to.
Next time try my idea of a short repeat of the content of my msg.
Msg #6735 Dated 10:11:02 06-16-91 6709 <--> 6742
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SAT.
Yep Max, you have better defined "wild" etc., than I have. But that
is your job here. Bob quitting his job. Mmmmmm. I hope he is set
with lots of work. And you are right -- Read is "at the edge". Do
you recall his great set at the Seminar when the door alarm in the
room went off? Then he put his coat over the "disqualification
lights"? One of the great moments in magic history!
Msg #6736 Dated 10:11:12 06-16-91 6711 <--> 6750
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
MAGIC3db.... super urgent request! MORE ROOM FOR LIBRARIES. When
one has over 1000 books and hundreds of lecture notes... don't want
to run out of space. I didn't use your DB because I would have
filled the Library file too soon and was waiting to see what else
might come along.
Msg #6737 Dated 10:11:21 06-16-91 6712 <--> 6739
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
When at Byron Walkers looking thru the olde books, such as
Parlour Amusements, etc. there seems to be tremendous plagerism.
And then when you start reading the books on Gambling, by so called
experts of the time, and books we consider classics, you see entire
sections LIFTED !!!!!
Msg #6738 Dated 10:11:30 06-16-91 6713 <--> 6754
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TEAPOT MELTDOWN
DigNUTaries it is! Poifect.
Msg #6739 Dated 10:11:35 06-16-91 6714 <--> 6740
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I have them (the Hoffman books) but so far have only looked at the
pictures.
Msg #6740 Dated 10:11:41 06-16-91 6715 <--> 6741
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Yeah, TA, what DB do you use for the library? And do you plan on
putting each on a chain? Ah, I got it, I just figured it all out.
Anyone caught nicking a book gets CHAINED TO SUPER PIG....
Msg #6741 Dated 10:11:48 06-16-91 6720 <--> 6743
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Jus' kidding. I have a beautiful Rosewood Roulette wheel.
Msg #6742 Dated 10:11:53 06-16-91 6721 <--> 6757
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
Les Bubb is doing? I dunno, Rudy Coby, who is my guru on things
contemporary called just moments before he was leaving on a cruise.
He promises to call when he gets back. He has decided to stay in
the USA for awhile. Says the Vod 2000 looks like it might start a
big tour.
Msg #6743 Dated 10:12:03 06-16-91 6723 <--> 6745
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Harlan Tarbell's "real" claim to fame was (he was an artist too)
the drawing of the little girl on the Salt Boxes with the umbrella.
Accompanied by the slogan "when it rains it pours".
Msg #6744 Dated 10:32:59 06-16-91 -> 6759
From: MIKE ORKIN
To: ALL
Re: MAKING ONE'S OWN SPECIAL
I'm looking for a good method of making my own special cards, that is,
painting, drawing, using decals etc. on blank face or double blank
playing card stock to make up my own packet tricks. Is there anyone
willing to tell me what kind of inks, decals, fixitive sprays, and
techniques are needed to make a passable looking card? Does anyone
know of a book which describes this process? I'll stay tuned for your
input. Thanks
Msg #6745 Dated 10:46:36 06-16-91 6698 <--> 6746
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
3 a.m. and you want me to answer ASAP? Ergh! Actually, I had just
left the console a few minuted before you got here - after coming home
from the Dodger game I spent 3 hours setting up MAGIC-31 & MAGIC-32 and
"cleaning up" MAGIC! Can't use IMP! when on the master console, only
when on a slave system. Do use IMP! there sometimes and plan to use it
from Baltimore.
As to the message submenu - type a ? at it or an H for Help and all
commands except for New-Subject, will be explained. Since many are
editing commands - Continue, Delete, Insert, List, and Abort - I don't
think you will need to incorporate them into IMP! But you might
consider emulating them within IMP! sometime in the future.
Jerry - you have really been working hard on this, and I want you to
know that your work is very much appreciated. You are helping build a
"Greater MAGIC!"
Msg #6746 Dated 10:54:11 06-16-91 6699 <--> 6747
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I love it! What a great idea! Can anyone check with Western Costume
and see if they still have the suits for the Three Little Pigs? Anyone
know if Arnold Ziffle is still alive? He'd be a great guest star.
Msg #6747 Dated 10:56:48 06-16-91 6700 <--> 6748
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Don't need it before Saturday. Thanks. Think all arrangements are
fine.
Msg #6748 Dated 10:57:48 06-16-91 6701 <--> 6749
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Stan -
So far it sounds like you've already got $150 committed to "the cause!"
And I'm sure that there would be PLENTLY MORE. Can you chair a
committee to put the "Super Pig Bash" into motion?
Msg #6749 Dated 11:01:35 06-16-91 6725 <--> 6753
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I know you've been selling stuff to pay the phone bills. Remember, I'm
the one who told you to look in Southern California when you were
moving.
Msg #6750 Dated 11:08:10 06-16-91 6711 <--> 6751
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Your new additions to MAGIC3DB sound great! And I like your release
idea. It is a great program - I just wish magi understood the
shareware concept - that they should pay for it just like they would
have in a store - and sent you some checks.
Msg #6751 Dated 11:15:29 06-16-91 6736 <--> 6752
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Yeah, ditto here on wanting more ('bout unlimited) space to hold
thousands of items. It would probably make a user outa me. Never
sent you a check after I found out about limited to 250, though I
never downloaded or used to stay "honest."
Msg #6752 Dated 11:15:35 06-16-91 6736 <--> 6766
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Opps, using IMP! and shoulda Appended, soooo above message to
Hon. Biro is really to RANDY LUND!!!
Msg #6753 Dated 11:15:40 06-16-91 6737 <--> 6755
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
There is a book on card gambling, etc that lifted the entire section
on subtrafuge from Erdnase. I forget title. I bought a copy a while
back but the guy chose to keep my money and not send the four books
I ordered. If I can find the name of dealer I'll post it since I don'
want anyone else to get taken advantage of...
Msg #6754 Dated 11:15:47 06-16-91 6738 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEAPOT MELTDOWN
Yeah, I meant digNUTaries, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Msg #6755 Dated 11:15:52 06-16-91 6739 <--> 6756
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
The illustrations in Modern Magic and More Magic are some of my faves
in all of magic illustratidum. Engravings I guess and quite beautiful
to my eye.
Msg #6756 Dated 11:15:58 06-16-91 6741 <--> 6758
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Is the beautiful rosewood roulette wheel the one that Jeff Busby
used to have when he was selling all that great gambling stuff?
Msg #6757 Dated 11:16:03 06-16-91 6742 <--> 6781
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Vod 2000 was one of the more innovative shows the IBM ever presented
in my fumble and whoever booked that show should get a medal!!
Msg #6758 Dated 11:16:08 06-16-91 6743 <--> 6760
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Is that true about the Morton salt girl illus being done by our
beloved past master, Dr. H. Tarbell?? I never heard that, or are
you "pulling the hare's leg."
Msg #6759 Dated 11:16:13 06-16-91 6744 <--> 6770
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE ORKIN (X)
Re: MAKING ONE'S OWN SPECIAL
If I remember right, Marvin Stern had some transfer sets made up
to facilitate making up gaffer cards. You might check with Marvin her
online. If you rough the blank faces with some xxxx steel wool you
can run them through certain copy machines. I've a Canon PC-11 and
it copies onto roughed cards just fine.
Msg #6760 Dated 11:16:22 06-16-91 6745 <--> 6761
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Yeah, ditto for me too about Jerry working for a "Greater MAGIC!", I
hope he knows how much we IMP! users feel about him and his contri-
bution.
Msg #6761 Dated 11:23:08 06-16-91 6699 <--> 6762
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Wouldn't it be "pigket"?
Msg #6762 Dated 11:24:49 06-16-91 6714 <--> 6763
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Actually, I might like LATER MAGIC partly because it was the first one
I read -- bought it for a couple bucks when I was around 9 (!) -- but
I have looked at it recently and am still fond of it.
Msg #6763 Dated 11:26:17 06-16-91 6715 <--> 6764
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
The books were entered into a Hypercard setup by a Castle member; we
are transferring it to Filemaker Mac which is much quicker and, for
what we have to do, more practical. Once that's done, I will have to
go through it and revise some entries and make some other changes.
Msg #6764 Dated 11:29:52 06-16-91 6740 <--> 6765
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Filemaker Pro for the Mac is the new DB we're installing.
Msg #6765 Dated 11:36:05 06-16-91 6753 <--> 6772
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Are you thinking of Macdougall's CARD MASTERY? It included the entire
text of Erdnase.
Msg #6766 Dated 11:44:59 06-16-91 6711 <--> 6768
From: JIM SISTI
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
I have to agree with Tabby and Pete. I, too, never used the MAGICDB
because of my large library and I would be very interested in the new
program. Please reconsider posting the upgrade on the board. In spite
of the absolutely ridiculous comment that we don't "understand" the
shareware concept (like it's some really deep subject), I have
registered dozens of programs with authors that I _use_. That,
naturally, is the operative word. I would be more than happy to
register the upgrade once I am sure it meets all of my needs (as
MAGICDB3 sounds like it will). I, for one, appreciate your efforts in
this area, Randy. Please rethink posting an evaluation copy.
Msg #6767 Dated 11:50:32 06-16-91 6716 <--> 6775
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAIL
Something must have happened - maybe you read it someplace else?
Anyway, thanks for going back to make sure.
Msg #6768 Dated 11:56:05 06-16-91 6752 <--> 6769
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
I corrected the address on the message to Randy Lund. Maybe when
someone strikes Append or Reply in IMP! a message should come up that
says "New message will be to ___name___." Notice that I'm always happy
to contribute ideas when someone else has to do the programming.
Msg #6769 Dated 11:58:25 06-16-91 6766 <--> 6776
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Just for the record, so that no-one thinks that Randy made a
"rediculous comment," the comment about magi not understanding
shareware was mine. I felt (feel) that since Randy had done such an
excellent job with MAGIC2DB and since it was downloaded a LOT, and
since he never received EVEN ONE check, that it was justified.
Msg #6770 Dated 12:00:42 06-16-91 6744 <--> 6777
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE ORKIN (X)
Re: MAKING ONE'S OWN SPECIAL
If you are doing it for stage rather than close-up, you can get away
with a different level of "passable." I've done custom jumbo cards for
such shows and used a computer graphics package and a laser printer.
There was a long message I posted about this technique - maybe Jerry
can locate it.
Modifying or creating "passable" cards for close-up work could be much
more difficult. I too will look forward to any hints others may have.
Msg #6772 Dated 12:46:54 06-16-91 6762 <--> 6773
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Probably the same with me. I got Modern and More from my grandma who
liked magic (she was a friend of Thurston's) also at around the same
age. The first trick I ever saw was a red plastic ball vase a kid
down the street got in a magic set for xmas when we were around 6
or 7. It is still my favorite trick. I've heard about Johnny Gaughan
collection which I hope to see sometime.
Msg #6773 Dated 12:47:02 06-16-91 6763 <--> 6774
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Is the hy[ercard setup like a hypertext reference. That sounds cool.
I'm not at all familiar with Mac, though I know Dante uses one with
Genii, etc. That should make reference work almost a pleasure to do
it sounds like. You have the dream job in magic as far as I can see.
That's great!
Msg #6774 Dated 12:47:10 06-16-91 6765 <--> 6778
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Ah hah! That's the one. I ordered five different texts of the Erd
incl MacDougalls CARD MASTERY though the guy - a book dealer in
Penna. It's been a coupla months and I know my check has had time to
clear by now. I hope he gets around to sending them someday since the
Card Mastery is a nice hardbound I'd like to add it to the library
here at the Hotel DeCarlo. Also ordered some interesting stuff from
Gunther Nash several months ago but like the MacD book, hasn't
showed up yet. I can't complain though, since I operate on tabman tim
e which sometimes (mosttimes) doesn't jibe with the rest of the world
anyway.
Msg #6775 Dated 12:47:21 06-16-91 6767 <--> 6800
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAIL
Well, you for one know that I'm not perfect. Maybe Harrison posted
the same or similar message to me twice since I didn't answer him
back the first time...
Msg #6776 Dated 12:47:27 06-16-91 6769 <--> 6786
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
I agree that if any one is using MAGIC2DB and didn't pay the piper
that constitutes an abuse of the shareware system. I must confess
that one of my music programs SIDEMAN which I uploaded shareware to
CIS Midi Forum was downloaded over 200 times and NOT ONE cent in
tribute arrived so I don't have a lot of faith in the shareware
concept, though others with broader usage programs - PC-Write, etc
did make some money. Oh well....time marches on!
Msg #6777 Dated 13:27:09 06-16-91 6744 <--> 6803
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE ORKIN (X)
Re: MAKING ONE'S OWN SPECIAL
Depending on the designs and quantities there is a lot of rub down
art available in the major art supply stores. If you need a lot of
them made a specialty silk screen supply would be good to check out.
If only a few and you can draw 'em by hand go for it.
There might be a way to laser print wity a computer printer, but
I don't know if the cards would need to be temorarily glued to a
larger size. Anyone else care to comment?
Msg #6778 Dated 13:27:19 06-16-91 6745 <--> 6779
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Careful... "Greater Magic" is copyrite and I hear others that have
used it have been hit by the legal route.
Msg #6779 Dated 13:27:25 06-16-91 6749 <--> 6780
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
The $3,000 to $4,000 "more" plus the damage to my health living in
Smogville would be worth big phone bills. Besides that, I soon plan
to sell my computers.
Msg #6780 Dated 13:27:32 06-16-91 6756 <--> 6782
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
What a memory. Yep, the rosewood wheel came from Jeff.
Msg #6781 Dated 13:27:37 06-16-91 6757 <--> 6789
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
I will take some credit, of course. But the real plan was this. I
was very impressed with mssrs. Coby and James. We had several phone
calls where I aksed them to pull in all the acts in 'THEIR' vein.
Then we sat down in Hollywood for a lengthy meeting and went over
the plan. They came up with the individuals and I OK'd everything,
lock stock and barrel -- since I agreed with thier taste, etc.
The only change was that one of the top acts, Arturo Brachetti, was
booked to do a TV series and had to drop out. His replacement, Vito
Lupo, with HIS NEW ACT was well worth it... And hey, we still have
Brachetti to look forward to!
The confidence that Jim Nagel and Bill Wells have in ME and my
confidence in Coby/James all made it work.
This, despite my booking of Dr. Magic. Proving once again, the
Right guys are in charge at the IBM. And the politicians that want
to boot them out should go fishing or something.
I firmly believe we (IBM Convention committee -- and funding from
NHK) have been able to bring more top talent to conventions than
anyone else. PERIOD.
Msg #6782 Dated 13:27:57 06-16-91 6758 <--> 6783
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Tarbell was in advertising art and indeed was credited with that
famed illustration. I haven't checked lately, but would guess that
she, Like Betty Crocker and Aunt Jemima, have been brought into the
90s.
Msg #6783 Dated 13:28:04 06-16-91 6764 <--> 6787
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Thanks T A, but I ain't a Macman... tsk.
Msg #6786 Dated 15:36:13 06-16-91 6769 <--> 6801
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
I was one of the ones that looked at MAGIC2DB and didn't use it for the
same reason. An expanded version might be very useful to me, and I do
appreciate Randy's efforts.
Msg #6787 Dated 15:38:49 06-16-91 6773 <--> 6788
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Hypercard is great for certain kinds of applications -- but a library
only needs a straightforward database; it is quicker and simpler. As
to having a dream job -- most of the time, dream; but there may be some
nightmares lurking about...
Msg #6788 Dated 15:42:09 06-16-91 6778 <--> 6790
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
You cannot copyright a title. The only legal protection a title can
have is if it contains a living person's name, e.g., THE MAGIC OF
MICHAEL AMMAR, or even MAGIC I THINK MICHAEL AMMAR MIGHT LIKE -- you
could in fact sell a new book titled GREATER MAGIC, unwise though it
would be. A few years ago there were three different major novels on
the market all titled BLOODLINE -- so that when one of them became a
miniseries it had to be titled "Sidney Sheldon's BLOODLINE."
Msg #6789 Dated 15:50:02 06-16-91 6781 <--> 6836
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Hey, I admire your courage in booking "Dr. Magic" too. There were
lots of people who wanted to see the act. He (Dr. Magic) made himself
pretty visible with ads in Genii, etc and why not. It's too bad it
didn't work out as planned, but his show definately provided some
measure of "entertainment". I agree about mssrs. Coby and James.
Seems like I saw mssr. James at Castle last year - but it coulda
been somewheres else since my memories have all sorta run together
since the accident (just kidding).
Msg #6790 Dated 15:50:12 06-16-91 6782 <--> 6791
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
He probably did it for a flat fee and had no licensing agreement
with Morton Co. Saay, do you have an Aunt Jemima too?
Msg #6791 Dated 15:50:17 06-16-91 6778 <--> 6792
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
In reference to copyright of "Greater Magic", there is no provision
in the U.S. Copyright statutes for copyright of a title. Thats why
you've got books, movies, songs, etc with the same titles. And, they
can all be hits. Must be something else they're doing!!
Msg #6792 Dated 16:10:54 06-16-91 6723 <--> 6793
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Try checking the _Sphinx_ for that time period.
Msg #6793 Dated 16:11:20 06-16-91 6734 <--> 6794
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Yes you do know magicians who've made a lot of money from magic.
Msg #6794 Dated 16:11:46 06-16-91 6743 <--> 6796
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I'm pretty sure that the Morton Salt girl that Tarbell drew was not the
first; the label has gone through many versions over the years.
However, Tarbell _did_ draw the first Kellogg's rooster.
Msg #6795 Dated 18:53:00 06-16-91 -> 6804
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: SYSOP
Re: THE 500 CLUB
Okay...
This is my 500th log-on!
(What did I win?)
'W.
Msg #6796 Dated 20:11:26 06-16-91 6748 <--> 6797
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I would be glad to chair the "Super Pig Bash". Whom would it be best
to contact and equally as important, how do we do it tactfully?
Msg #6797 Dated 20:30:29 06-16-91 6778 <--> 6798
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
OK, thanks. I was using it in a different context and thought I could
get away with it, but you are right, I don't want to try to explain it
to a judge.
Msg #6798 Dated 20:31:58 06-16-91 6779 <--> 6799
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
We're working on a 9600 baud "mind link" which will allow mentalists to
access MAGIC! without a computer or a phone line, but it is still in
Alpha test right now. I'd suggest you hang on to the computer for a
while.
Msg #6799 Dated 20:35:24 06-16-91 6796 <--> 6806
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WHAT IF
As to the "Super Pig Bash" and who to contact tactfully... Er, if I
knew the answers to those questions, it would have been done a long
time ago! Isn't there some society for the protection of the
credibility of contemporary art that we could call for help? You might
try calling Milt at the Castle and asking him the status of it's
removal and what it's disposition is supposed to be. Maybe someone on
here has a better idea of who to contact - presumably, the Board voted
to remove it, so maybe any of the Board members.
Msg #6800 Dated 20:37:50 06-16-91 6775 <--> 7409
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAIL
Yep. You may have seen a second message the first time. Anyway, now
that it shows that you have read it, it is deletable from the message
base, which satisfys my requirement.
Msg #6801 Dated 20:39:03 06-16-91 6776 <--> 6802
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Magic may be too small a community to truly support the shareware
concept. Some general application products such as QModem, PC-Write,
etc. have made their authors a tidy sum. Let's see if MAGIC3DB, with
the enhancements, can work for Randy. In truth, he isn't really
planning on quiting his day job to live off of MAGIC3DB, but sending in
a check for shareware that one does use is the right way to say "thank
you." Those who downloaded MAGIC2DB but didn't use it, of course, do
not need to feel guilty.
Msg #6802 Dated 20:41:53 06-16-91 6786 <--> 6837
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Thanks, T A. MAGIC3DB promises to be very useful. The concept is very
good, and Randy did an excellent job of programming on MAGIC2DB. It
was intended for working professionals, not for collectors. I think
that the enhancements he is proposing for MAGIC3DB will make it more
useful to both groups.
Msg #6803 Dated 20:43:37 06-16-91 6777 <--> 7082
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAKING ONE'S OWN SPECIAL
A jumbo card will fit thru a laser printer without too much problem,
although the thickness can cause it to jam. I don't know if a regular
card, attached to a feeder sheet, will go through without a problem.
Same with copiers - some will probably do it, some will not.
At one point someone made a transfer ribbon for some dot-matrix
printers like Epson - you could print to a sheet of paper and then
transfer with an iron, but I don't know if this is still available.
Msg #6804 Dated 20:47:02 06-16-91 6795 <--> 6810
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THE 500 CLUB
I think you titled your message appropriately - you won membership in
the 500 Club! And, as the President of the 2500+ Club, I welcome you!
Gee... Tiered membership in MAGIC!
By the way, do you remember "Good morning, Breakfast Clubbers, It's
good to see you?"
Msg #6806 Dated 21:06:14 06-16-91 6788 <--> 6807
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Interesting. However, I did hear the story that the family of
the author of Greater Magic did put a stop to the use of the words
in some way. I have been working on a book, titled, "Son of
Greater Magic" and thought of other titles too, like More Greater
Magic, Further, etc. etc. but probably won't use them, as the
latest title I like is "What? Another Book on the Linking Rings".
(First of the series of 600 planned volumes. Over 100 pages done
already.
Msg #6807 Dated 21:06:25 06-16-91 6790 <--> 6808
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
No, an uncle I'm not sure of tho.... ahr
Msg #6808 Dated 21:06:30 06-16-91 6791 <--> 6809
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Many time someone will make a fuss, have a lawyer write a letter
and just plain try to intimidate you (or me).
Msg #6809 Dated 21:06:35 06-16-91 6793 <--> 6815
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I know it... was just checking. Sure Cop, Doug, P&T, You, Me,
Tabby all rolling in magic dough.
Msg #6810 Dated 21:06:42 06-16-91 6795 <--> 6811
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THE 500 CLUB
Tabby has us all beat. I'm over 1K, but.... arrgghhh
Msg #6811 Dated 21:06:47 06-16-91 6804 <--> 6812
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE 500 CLUB
Didn't they sing, "Time to march around the Breakfast table"?
Gee, the one thing I really hate to see is: End of Messages. What
do I do now? Help. Please.
Msg #6812 Dated 21:50:18 06-16-91 6804 <--> 6816
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE 500 CLUB
I'm much too young to remember anything like that, David...however, my
grandfather mentioned it to me, I think.
'W.
Msg #6815 Dated 22:27:09 06-16-91 6809 <--> 6832
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Sure glad our new stove is supposed to arrive next week. With all this
magic dough around, I wouldn't mind some MAGIC! bread.
Msg #6816 Dated 22:29:06 06-16-91 6812 <--> 6819
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THE 500 CLUB
Wish I could remember the name of the show and the guy who ran it. Had
it when I originally sent you the message, but it is gone now. Sigh.
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my, er, what was it, oh, yeah,
mind the most.
You're sorry to see "End of Messages!" Well, as a member, I am too.
You know I could, and will, change the prompt tonite. See what you
think of the revision.
As Sysop, though, I wonder... Last week we had 500 messages in under
THREE DAYS. It is becoming entirely possible to NEVER see the "End of
Messages" statement - somebody is going to log on for a nice little
read and find out that messages are being added at such a rate that he
or she NEVER finishes!
Msg #6819 Dated 23:25:24 06-16-91 6816 <--> 6823
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE 500 CLUB
Don McNeil's Breakfast Club.
...or so I've been told by Gramps.
'W.
Msg #6821 Dated 23:28:23 06-16-91 -> 6824
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: SYSOP
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Nice new closer, David.
Perhaps you should revise it to read:
That's all for now. There will be more messages soonER THAN YOU THINK!
'W.
Msg #6823 Dated 23:58:12 06-16-91 6819 <--> 6847
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: THE 500 CLUB
Damn! Don McNeil it is! And I really DID remember it when I first
wrote about it - but later in the day, well, I guess those nice little
pills the doctor gave me wear down and I can't remember where I left
the bottle from the morning.
Msg #6824 Dated 0:00:10 06-17-91 6821 <--> 6825
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Not bad. Ideally it needs to be no more than about 66 characters long.
Let's see what some of the other characters on here think. Any other
ideas for a replacement for the old "End of Messages" line?
Msg #6825 Dated 0:54:28 06-17-91 6824 <--> 6827
From: RICHARD HART
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
How about "The crystal ball grows cloudy..."
Msg #6827 Dated 1:11:17 06-17-91 6825 <--> 6848
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
If the members would like that, fine by me. "The crystal ball grows
cloudy..." is fine for a closing line. Any other suggestions, within
the 66 character limit will be entertained.
Msg #6830 Dated 1:48:06 06-17-91 -> 6850
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: DUMMY
This is a test
Msg #6831 Dated 1:49:42 06-17-91 6608 <--> 6839
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
Its like a thumb only smaller, like in slim.
-F-
I misspelled it. Should have been thumb.
-S-
Msg #6832 Dated 1:49:49 06-17-91 6729 <--> 6833
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I use the 2 symbols < and - to indicate the back arrow (mine is on
the keypad under the 4, your keypad may be different). Its just a
single key.
Msg #6833 Dated 1:49:55 06-17-91 6729 <--> 6834
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
When viewing a msg on the screen that has a backward pointer, .e.g.
6698 <--> 6730, shows on line 1 when viewing msg # 6729, you can
hit the (single) back-arrow key and IMP will go get the msg 6698.
.
I'm making a change so that after reading 6698, all you have to do
is hit Enter to return to 6729, which is where you were when you hit
the back-arrow.
.
To go forward in a thread hit the right-arrow (mine is below the 6 on
the keypad) and you will be shown 6730. Hitting enter after reading
6730 will move you back to 6729. Hitting Enter will move you to the
msg in the file (skipping any msgs you have already read using the
forward-arrow) and the base pointer is moved forward as well. The
base pointer is moved by either stepping thru the messages or using
the F(ind) or N(ext) functions.
.
Jeez - I'll have to pull all these bits and pieces together and write
a manual, not my strongest suit. Are you listening David ?
Msg #6834 Dated 1:50:15 06-17-91 6731 <--> 6835
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
How does the brief get generated ? Is it done by the system ?
.
I agree (to what I forget).
Msg #6835 Dated 1:50:22 06-17-91 6745 <--> 6838
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I didn't expect to you to respond right then, I had just got home
from Magic Island and was catching up on the chit-chat.
.
Good show. Greg Otto and Michael Rappa in the main room and Tommy
Gardin and Dave Powell doing close-up.
.
Pete I'm sure you'll see this - Jules Lenier says hi. I had him do my
Tarot and I'm going to rich within six months. Gee, I wish I was a
believer - the lady I was with is, so maybe it will rub off.
.
David I'll check out the sub-function stuff today and try to get a
version uploaded ASAP.
Msg #6836 Dated 1:50:36 06-17-91 6697 <--> 6857
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SAT.
I can concur that Danny falls into the wild-and-crazy guy category.
He's a pretty quiet guy off-stage, but when he walks on 'The Jester'
comes alive. Good choice.
Msg #6837 Dated 1:50:40 06-17-91 6768 <--> 6877
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Yea thanks for the work. Good idea though. I could pull the name out
of the To: line and put it as as part of a title in the reply window.
If you really wanted to Append and hit R by mistake you could immedia
tely hit ESC and start over.
.
Keep the suggestions coming this thing will evolve to ... God only
knows ....
Msg #6838 Dated 1:50:49 06-17-91 6746 <--> 6840
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Hey let's do it. Three little pigs would be perfect. At least we
would get their attention. How about a big bad wolf, with a pro
super-pig sign, for equal rights and fairness to the 'artist'.
Msg #6839 Dated 1:51:29 06-17-91 6608 <--> 6851
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
Its like a thumb only smaller, like in slim.
-F-
I misspelled it. Should have been thumb.
-S-
Msg #6840 Dated 1:51:35 06-17-91 6729 <--> 6841
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I use the 2 symbols < and - to indicate the back arrow (mine is on
the keypad under the 4, your keypad may be different). Its just a
single key.
Msg #6841 Dated 1:51:42 06-17-91 6729 <--> 6852
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
When viewing a msg on the screen that has a backward pointer, .e.g.
6698 <--> 6730, shows on line 1 when viewing msg # 6729, you can
hit the (single) back-arrow key and IMP will go get the msg 6698.
.
I'm making a change so that after reading 6698, all you have to do
is hit Enter to return to 6729, which is where you were when you hit
the back-arrow.
.
To go forward in a thread hit the right-arrow (mine is below the 6 on
the keypad) and you will be shown 6730. Hitting enter after reading
6730 will move you back to 6729. Hitting Enter will move you to the
msg in the file (skipping any msgs you have already read using the
forward-arrow) and the base pointer is moved forward as well. The
base pointer is moved by either stepping thru the messages or using
the F(ind) or N(ext) functions.
.
Jeez - I'll have to pull all these bits and pieces together and write
a manual, not my strongest suit. Are you listening David ?
Msg #6842 Dated 1:47:58 06-17-91 6710 <--> 6855
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
OK, Randy - how about this one...
I'm going to do the brief version - anyone can do the embelishments
they'd like.
A surgeon comes in and tells a fellow that he is going to need a brain
transplant.
"A brain transplant?" he says, "I didn't know you could do that."
"Oh, yes," says the surgeon, "In some cases we can. But we have to
talk about the cost. If you want an engineer's brains, they are $ 1,000
an ounce. If you want a plummer's brains, they are $ 1,500 an ounce.
And if you want a magicican's brains, they are $ 10,000 an ounce."
"Wow!" says the patient, "Engineers are $ 1,000, plummer's are $ 1,500,
and magician's are $ 10,000 an ounce! Why are magician's brains so
expensive?"
"Well," says the surgeon, "Do you know how many magicans you've got to
go through to find an ounce of brains?"
Rim shot!
P.S. to Pete: We know all about unused ones.
Msg #6843 Dated 1:55:24 06-17-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: N
I talked to Johnnie Ace this week concerning the Magical Arts
Performance Workshop. He is interested, if and when it comes about.
.
During the conversation he mentioned he had just finished an 8 week
teaching session with a satellite school in Long Beach (kinda of a
performing arts school). He taught a bunch of 4th, 5th, & 6th graders
magic technique and performance, 2 hours a week. The course was 5
days a week with Johnnie there 2 days and a teacher the other 3.
.
If you have ever attended his lecture you know of some of the
principles he uses. One that is particularly powerful is X marks the
spot (He demonstrates this by disappearing a coin, laying the coin on
his knee - in plain view, but due to misdirection no one 'sees' it
until he points it out. The coin is visible for probably 30 seconds,
and no one sees it. He also uses it in the coin purse on the table).
.
During the kids performance of what they had learned, one kid blew
Johnnie away with an application of the principle. After he disappear
ed the coin, he said "You know where it went ? Its right down there"
and pointed down on the floor by Johnnie's foot and there was a
quarter the kid had planted probably 2 minutes before. It had been
there all along. Good student to 'fool' the teacher.
Msg #6844 Dated 7:28:44 06-17-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! INTERRUPT
We had a little problem that locked the system for about 4-1/2 hours
between 2:57 a.m. and 7:27 a.m. this morning. Full MAGIC! power has
now been restored.
Msg #6847 Dated 7:47:21 06-17-91 6823 <--> 6860
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE 500 CLUB
OOOps... forgot my tablet this morning. Thanks for reminder. Or,as
Seabrooke often says, "Keep takin' the tablets" (I now have over
2,500 tablets, the long ones with yellow paper and lines to write on
Msg #6848 Dated 7:47:28 06-17-91 6824 <--> 6849
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
How about, "Th-th-that's A-A-all F-F-F-olks"? Nay leave it lonnnnnne
Msg #6849 Dated 7:47:32 06-17-91 6827 <--> 6856
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
How will you entertian them? Balloon animals might be good.
Msg #6850 Dated 7:47:38 06-17-91 6830 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DUMMY
You failed the test. Why? Bad punctuation.
Msg #6851 Dated 7:47:42 06-17-91 6831 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ISLAND MAGIC
Gee, until your Thimb message I didn't realize the differences
between -F- and -S-.
Msg #6852 Dated 7:47:48 06-17-91 6832 <--> 6853
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
OH, the CURSER arrows. not the keys < which shares "," --OK, no
wonder it didn't do nuttin.
Msg #6853 Dated 7:47:53 06-17-91 6834 <--> 6854
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
To reply in CIS you strike the R key and write just like IMP! But
there is a way (one keystroke) to change the thread title. I have
never used it so don't know the key.
Msg #6854 Dated 7:48:00 06-17-91 6835 <--> 6863
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Wondered where and what Jules Lenier was up to. Thanks.
Msg #6855 Dated 7:48:04 06-17-91 6842 <--> 6862
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
I heard on the news last night that in states that have Helmet laws
for motorcyclists that the number of Organ Doners has reduced and
the Organ Doner lobbyists are getting upset about it. TRUE STORY.
Msg #6856 Dated 8:14:17 06-17-91 6848 <--> 6861
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
How about:
We'll be right back after this word from your local stations...
'W.
Msg #6857 Dated 8:19:24 06-17-91 6836 <--> 6943
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SAT.
Yes, Jerry...but Dan also does some strong magic along with his wild,
cartoon, "Jester" character.
'W.
Msg #6860 Dated 9:04:16 06-17-91 6847 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE 500 CLUB
Me too! I've got a collection of tablets from some of the finest
hotels in the World. Big places like Motel 6, Econo-Lodge... They go
nice with the matching towels in the bathrooms.
Msg #6861 Dated 9:05:58 06-17-91 6848 <--> 6864
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
I thought of "Th-th-that's A-A-all..." and "Out of messages? Don't
worry, we'll make more..." but I think both are trade/service marked.
It's gotta be original.
Msg #6862 Dated 9:08:55 06-17-91 6855 <--> 6881
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
Sounds plausable. There is an old science fiction story about the
Gov't making a law that death penalty folks organs automatically get
donated. Pretty soon people are clamoring for things like three unpaid
parking tickets to carry the death penalty. Disturbing part is... I
could see it happening.
Msg #6863 Dated 9:20:30 06-17-91 6838 <--> 6941
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
What artist? Oh, you must mean the trash collector who put Super Pig
together. "Fairness" to him would be a lifetime of having to watch
Hangers audition at various Ring meetings.
Msg #6864 Dated 10:41:49 06-17-91 6856 <--> 6865
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Why that message to me?
Msg #6865 Dated 10:42:09 06-17-91 6861 <--> 6869
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
NO MORE MESSAGES... GET A LIFE! (Is original?)
Msg #6868 Dated 10:45:00 06-17-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PCAM
anyone know the show talent line ups? I need to know for a guy taht
hires magicians, he might come if there are some good names.
Msg #6869 Dated 11:20:40 06-17-91 6864 <--> 6872
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
I was adding a comment to the thread, Pete. Your message was the last
one on the thread....then mine...then yours...now it's mine again!
(Fascinating, eh?)
'W.
Msg #6872 Dated 13:09:04 06-17-91 6869 <--> 6875
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
If it's mine, how come I don't get to keep it?
Msg #6875 Dated 15:59:36 06-17-91 6861 <--> 6879
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
How bout "End of Messsages!"?
Msg #6877 Dated 16:06:44 06-17-91 6736 <--> 6878
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Pete, Some help on the way, current ver 3 jumps library to 500 and 1000
may be possible albiet at sacrifice in disk space. 500 books (and
tricks for that matter) take up 1meg of HD Space, 1000 would take 2meg.
Also see my message on Ver 3 that I am going to post to all users
tonite about other new capabilities
.
Randy
Msg #6878 Dated 16:11:01 06-17-91 6751 <--> 6880
From: RANDY LUND
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Working lists (those normally searched and sorted to make up show
lists) are limited by RAM to keep performance up. Archive list need
only be limited by disk space, but that can get fairly heavy for what
the program is. Current V3 (in transition now from V2) takes just over
a meg for storage and may increase to just over 2. Unlimited archive
could run that up to 10 meg or more depending on data stored.
.
I would be interested in your ideas for what information you would like
to see in an unlimited archive file. Searches would have to be limited
as would flags and sorts out unless your want to leave it running for
the weekend.
.
Randy
Msg #6879 Dated 16:16:50 06-17-91 6872 <--> 6883
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Basically, because my stubborn nature refuses to allow you to have the
last word!
If this continues, this thread might very well grow to be the longest
in MAGIC! history while having virtually no redeeming value whatsoever!
'W.
Msg #6880 Dated 16:18:42 06-17-91 6766 <--> 6893
From: RANDY LUND
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
No, I don't think I will upload V3 to the network. The response as
shareware has been extremely disappointing and the work to modify the
system to substantially larger databases required a complete
restructuring of the database and a lot of work. V2 which is on the BB
makes a fine evaluation copy for the existing features which remain the
same exept for size and you will certainly get a feel for the new
features.
Msg #6881 Dated 16:23:26 06-17-91 6842 <--> 6888
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
Why are engineers brains so cheap, that ine hits too close to home.
.
Randy Lund BSChE
Msg #6882 Dated 16:28:11 06-17-91 -> 6890
From: RANDY LUND
To: SYSOP
Re: MAGIC3DB
Well I have outlined and started the conversion to V3. Basically these
are the new features:
.
Trick list up to 500 (for Sure) 1000 or user set possible, I'll try.
.
Book list up to 500 and must follow trick list in size
.
New information for the trick edit section, areas to write comments on
spectator information, what kind to use, age, sex etc, lighting,
staging, a audience reaction.
.
Whole new section to track customers and bookings, current capacities
are 100 customers, max 50 bookings per customer. Usual info on
customer, names address etc, seperate names address etc for performance
location, fee audience type, facility, special requests etc and post
show section to record comments, problems and lessons, also billing
information.
.
A special thanks to Micheal Ammar, whose new book inspired the last two
additions.
.
V1 & V2 would run off a HD floppy if anyone was so inclined, V3 will
not. Data storage, without booking section is at 1meg with 500 tricks
and I expect it will grow to the 3-5 range before I am done. Don't
expect to be completed much before fall at the earliest.
.
Also archive section possible, with limits, basically in/out lists of
books etc. As you may have guessed I crossed the magic threshold of
multiple semi independent modules. So far it is staying in one
complied EXE file which should fit what i plan, from then on its into
overlays YUCH
.
Randy
Msg #6883 Dated 17:10:44 06-17-91 6865 <--> 6884
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
A bit harsh! How about "There are currently no more messages...
Relax"?
Msg #6884 Dated 17:12:02 06-17-91 6875 <--> 6894
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Wow! "End of Messages!" - Now THAT is new, unique and different! You
really want it back that way?
Msg #6887 Dated 17:16:31 06-17-91 -> 6891
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: ALL
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Jes, there is Magic in Puerto Vallarta. He is Arturo Compagny, and
performs under the name of "MAGO KIZMAN."
He is currently working at "Bogart's", one of the two top rated
restaurants in the City. He does walk around from
9:30 to Midnight, and is a great card man. He recently appeared in a
top rated Mexico city variety TV show, along with his lovely assistant
(and recent bride) Dafne. Bogart's is located in the Hotel Krystal
(formerly called The Posoda)
and is a perfect recreation of Rick's from Casablanca with supporting
cast. So if your headed to PV soon, check this one out.
Msg #6888 Dated 17:17:30 06-17-91 6881 <--> 6948
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
You'd better read it again, Randy (BSChE). Cheap is supposed to be
BETTER in this version of the story... Sincerely, David Lichtman Ed.D.
Msg #6889 Dated 17:17:59 06-17-91 -> 6940
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: NEW SUB
I've recruited a new subscriber for Genii. He is a Pro Mag working in
Mexico. Would you please mail him a subscription order form, along
with a sample copy (I can't spare mine), to:
Senor Arturo Compagny,
Krystall Vallarta,
Av. De Las Garzas, Jal.
Apartado Postal No. 94
Mexico
Please let me know if you can handle this. Thanks.
Msg #6890 Dated 17:19:02 06-17-91 6882 <--> 6917
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
It sounds very good, Randy! Yeah, overlays. Yuch! Oh, well, think of
it as more sophisticated programming...
Msg #6891 Dated 17:20:56 06-17-91 6887 <--> 6898
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Thanks for the info, Bruce! Do I assume that you are back in town
between Puerto Vallarta and London? Or are you logging on from a
laptop in the hotel?
Msg #6893 Dated 17:42:07 06-17-91 6877 <--> 6911
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Thanks for the reply. With 120 meg HD, what's another meg?
Msg #6894 Dated 17:42:12 06-17-91 6879 <--> 6895
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
I'm closed.
Msg #6895 Dated 17:42:17 06-17-91 6883 <--> 6896
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
There aren't?
Msg #6896 Dated 17:42:21 06-17-91 6884 <--> 6900
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
You didn't read the Tabman's messages. Go back and check the spellin
Msg #6898 Dated 17:42:31 06-17-91 6887 <--> 6899
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
I stayed at the Posada Vallarta. While having a drink in the garden
bar and 3-foot Iguana fell out of the tree and landed on me. Boy
did me and my friends get up fast! Har!!!!!!!!!
Msg #6899 Dated 17:42:37 06-17-91 6891 <--> 6913
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Nice end of line message.
Msg #6900 Dated 20:10:36 06-17-91 6894 <--> 6902
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Closed for vacation? Repairs? Remodeling? Lunch?
'W.
Msg #6901 Dated 20:12:27 06-17-91 -> 6903
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EMMYS
Just received my Emmy ballot today. Tell Copperfield I can be bought!
'W.
Msg #6902 Dated 20:28:19 06-17-91 6900 <--> 6912
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Closed for the message thread that we opened.
Msg #6903 Dated 20:28:44 06-17-91 6901 <--> 6950
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: EMMYS
You should just vote the way you think. Or I'll kill you!
Msg #6904 Dated 20:28:00 06-17-91 -> 6921
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
No laptop yet. Got back last night and heading to the U.K. Wednesday.
Looks as though London is out as meetings are scheduled most of the
time near Manchester. I'm going to try and get to Blackpool Saturday
evening to see once again a great show entitled "Mystique", at the
Horseshoe, if it's still going. The illusion consultant is a man named
John Wardley who worked on some James Bond flicks. The top Mag is Russ
Stevens with backup Craig Christian and last year was destined to work
with Lance Burton in LV. Do you want to work out that Pirogie exchange?
Msg #6905 Dated 20:29:54 06-17-91
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Thanks for checking your files on Puerto Vallarta Pete.
Also appreciate the input on the London scene. Unfortunately, will not
be in London this trip. The Iguana effect sounds spectacular! I
understand most of them have vanished these days...not by Mags, but
consumed by the natives. No onions!
Msg #6909 Dated 22:04:17 06-17-91 -> 6934
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: IMP E FUNCTION TEST - PUB
This is a public msg created by the IMP E function. It should create
a new thread that everyone can read.
Msg #6910 Dated 22:04:22 06-17-91 -> 6935
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: IMP TEST E FUNCTION TO AL
This is a msg to all, created by IMP E function. It should be address
ed to ALL and create a new thread.
Msg #6911 Dated 22:06:51 06-17-91 6878 <--> 6914
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
That's great Randy. I'll give it some thought and get back to you
onit. Just finished a GRIND today. Whew. For a lazy guy I put in a
major day plus finished it up in the studio with Total Irrevalance
doing Cesspool of Extinction. And how do you think I feel right now?
Msg #6912 Dated 22:06:57 06-17-91 6884 <--> 6915
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Well, at least I knew what it meant. I did like your "Relax" slogan
a few back. How bout "Relax Magician, more messages soon!" But, what
I really mean is do what makes you FEEL GOOD!!!
Msg #6913 Dated 22:07:03 06-17-91 6891 <--> 6918
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
You read my mind. I was gonna say "Welcome home, Bruce" but KNEW you
were gonna say that.
Msg #6914 Dated 22:10:17 06-17-91 6878 <--> 6967
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
That's great Randy. I'll give it some thought and get back to you
onit. Just finished a GRIND today. Whew. For a lazy guy I put in a
major day plus finished it up in the studio with Total Irrevalance
doing Cesspool of Extinction. And how do you think I feel right now?
Msg #6915 Dated 22:10:23 06-17-91 6884 <--> 6919
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Well, at least I knew what it meant. I did like your "Relax" slogan
a few back. How bout "Relax Magician, more messages soon!" But, what
I really mean is do what makes you FEEL GOOD!!!
Msg #6917 Dated 22:10:34 06-17-91 6882 <--> 6968
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Randy,V3 sounds excellent especially the newly inspired sections.
This has gotta be a labour of love. What language are you working
in, or did you tell us already. Am asking because of the portability
of "C". Have talked to a number of magic people who are using Macs
and even some Amigas. Richard Hart can get a cross compiler for the
Amiga. I hear he may be crossing IMP! over in that direction when
Jerry gets the Beta Ver. happening. Best to you and looking forward
to the Professional Version of MagicDB.
Msg #6918 Dated 22:10:42 06-17-91 6887 <--> 6920
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Working here at The Hotel DeCarlo towards months end will be Pete
Biro of Walnut Creek, California and Dave "Wooga Wooga" Lichtman of
Arleta, California. On the 27th the menu will feature a variety of
native barbecue and Gloria's South Georgia Brundswick Stew as well
as guest spots featuring Scott "Seance" Davis, Bill Wells, and Rudy
a local cardman who got into magic to help him recover from a severe
attack of MS. Rudy was hospitolized right after the Doc Eason lecture
in the DC area and card fanned his way out of the hospitol again.
That's magic in action and it increases the value of the art tenfold.
Other guests will include cutout likenesses of the guests of the
tabman luncheon at the Castle. Hotel DeCarlo, La Paz, Bolivia. Si!
Msg #6919 Dated 22:10:53 06-17-91 6896 <--> 6923
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
It's true and you caught it. Congrats. You win nothing.
Msg #6920 Dated 22:10:58 06-17-91 6898 <--> 6928
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
The three foot Iguana makes my story of the squirrel who fell out
of a tree and into my margurita at the Third Coast in Nashville
almost not worth relating.
Msg #6921 Dated 22:11:03 06-17-91 6904 <--> 6931
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
It sounds like plenty of worthwhile magic going on in Blackpool.
Looks like you will get to have some fun.
Msg #6923 Dated 22:14:17 06-17-91 6895 <--> 6925
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
I guess what we are really searching for here is a nice euphamism for
"You've read everything - now get outta here!"
Msg #6924 Dated 22:11:23 06-17-91 -> 6972
From: WALTER LOUGHNEY
To: ALL
Re: IBM CONVENTION
I am looking for someone to share a room with at IBM and split the cost
I figure that should give each of us about $250-300 more to spend in
the dealers room
If anyone is interested please leave message here or contact my office
at 1-800-771-4345 and leave message. I will call you back. Thanks
Msg #6925 Dated 22:15:18 06-17-91 6896 <--> 6926
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
You're right! His suggestion was messsier than I'd first noticed. Of
course, old Marshall McLuhan said, "the medium is the massage," so I
guess we could say "End of Massages."
Msg #6926 Dated 22:17:24 06-17-91 6912 <--> 6936
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Hmmmm... Maybe "More MAGIC! in a few moments..."
Msg #6928 Dated 22:19:53 06-17-91 6913 <--> 6929
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Seems like we've both had pretty exhausting days... I called a client
about something that was puzzling us in their software (we are working
from Beta version and had a frantic end-of-day delivery to make, with
the rest of the week at the same pace) and they said, "Oh, it's
completely different in the release version." THAT is a major one of
Pete's AAARRRGGGHHH!!!'sss!
Msg #6929 Dated 22:22:59 06-17-91 6918 <--> 6930
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Er... You read my mind again! Look forward to meeting Rudy - I just
did a benefit luncheon for the MS Society!
Msg #6930 Dated 22:25:32 06-17-91 6920 <--> 6970
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Does the snake that slithered into my lunch in Death Valley count?
Msg #6931 Dated 22:26:48 06-17-91 6904 <--> 7010
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Have a great trip, Bruce. We will work out the Pirogie exchange upon
your return - best after FISM when the magician's summer madness (PCAM,
IBM, SAM, FISM) has passed. Maybe we can exchange 'em at a Castle
luncheon. We'll sit on opposite sides of Marvin Stern and let him
sniff 'em as they go by.
Msg #6934 Dated 22:32:19 06-17-91 6909 <--> 6966
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IMP E FUNCTION TEST - PUB
Yep! The public test (message # 6909) worked too! I think you are on
to something here, Jerry. Much better than last night's test!
Msg #6935 Dated 22:33:04 06-17-91 6910 <--> 6976
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IMP TEST E FUNCTION TO AL
Wow! Got # 6910 (public to ALL) too! Looks like IMP! may finally have
an Enter function! Congratulations, and thanks for all the hard work.
Msg #6936 Dated 23:25:30 06-17-91 6884 <--> 6937
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
How about SYSTEM ERROR; PLEASE REBOOT. ?...?
Msg #6937 Dated 23:44:56 06-17-91 6936 <--> 6944
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Oh, T A!
The techy in my soul reall likes that ("SYSTEM ERROR; PLEASE REBOOT."),
but there are probably a few folks around who wouldn't appreciate it.
Still... Maybe if we put it together will "The crystal ball is getting
cloudy..." and "Kill Super-Pig" there might be something good in it.
Msg #6940 Dated 0:00:46 06-18-91 6889 <--> 6978
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: NEW SUB
I'll be happy to mail him the necessary
information. Thank you!
Msg #6941 Dated 0:03:53 06-18-91 6854 <--> 6942
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I thought you knew. He has had magic burn-out. Reads Tarot and runs
the seance at Magic Island. I see him probably once a month.
Msg #6942 Dated 0:03:58 06-18-91 6863 <--> 6959
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Aha - you changed the ending message, that's why my automatic log
ASX file doesn't terminate properly. Did I miss something ?
Msg #6943 Dated 0:04:04 06-18-91 6857 <--> 6951
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SAT.
I agree, but Pete was asking about a wild character, I naturally
assumed he had to do magic to the standards we all would consider
strong. Danny has some very original stuff. Some people are put off
by his 'Mad-Hatter' appearance, but that's their problem. I have
heard several guys at the castle make comments about his conformance
to the dress code, and have also heard others immediately come to his
defense - with comments like "So what, he's a great magician".
.
Takes all kinds I guess.
Msg #6944 Dated 0:04:29 06-18-91 6884 <--> 6949
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Would you please decide what it is so I can make my MAGICLOG.ASX
log off automatically. What is it to be ???????
Msg #6946 Dated 0:04:44 06-18-91 -> 6961
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: NEW RELEASE OF RDMAGIC
As we agreed the read program will be called RDMAGIC untilthere is so
me documentation and a package can be relesed as IMP!.
.
This msg is being generated off-line using the E function
I just added. The reply window now shows what kind of
reply you have chosen R, A, or E. If you pick the wrong one, just hit
hit ESC and you can start all over.
.
The program now saves an index to msgs as the F function isused. This
should allow adding each day's msgs to a single file for
viewing. By using the F function to move to the first msg #
in the day's msgs added on, you automatically can use
the back arrow to look back at any msg PRIOR to the day
you are reading.
Msg #6947 Dated 0:04:56 06-18-91 -> 7068
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: COMING TO CT
Jim I'll be in CT the 3rd and plan to stay until the 9th.
If you are working Fri night let me know where and we'll
come and have dinner. Plan to go see P&T Sat (I've seen
it here in LA, but I'm taking my daughter for her Birthday)
then to Mostly Magic after dinner in the City.
.
Got the 1st year of The Magic Menu, looks like some very
usable stuff for what I do. Good job.
.
Glad to see you have both positive and negative book
reviews, gives credibility to the pub.
.
Hope to meet you soon. Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #6948 Dated 0:11:33 06-18-91 6862 <--> 6962
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
Story by Larry Niven, maybe?
Msg #6949 Dated 0:24:56 06-18-91 6902 <--> 6960
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Closed but no cigar, eh?
'W.
Msg #6950 Dated 0:27:17 06-18-91 6903 <--> 6965
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EMMYS
Ahhhhh....Democracy In Action!
'W.
Msg #6951 Dated 0:30:31 06-18-91 6943 <--> 6981
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SAT.
Thankfully so, Jerry.
'W.
Msg #6954 Dated 0:31:17 06-18-91 -> 7040
From: PETE PERATA
To: MICHEAL AMMAR
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
Hey! Well, thanks to Scott Cram for giving me this bbs phone #. It's
about time I finally got connected with an intelligent board! Actually
they're(bbs's) aren't all bad, but this is definately the best. Ive
been in magic for a few years now, and I've got a question... How many
of you watched the International Magic Awards on T.V.? Geez...don't
all say me at the same time. Anyway I'd just like to say that Michael
Ammar's trick was THE BEST. No doubt's about it. If anyone could tell
me, especially Mr.Ammar himself, was that published in anything at all?
It had me baffled, and I would sure like to learn it. Well be hearing
from 'ya.
Msg #6957 Dated 2:26:15 06-18-91 -> 6985
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: FISM- PROGRAM
MAGIC!-NL Mon 17 Jun 91 21:39
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
I met with Jean Garance this weekend and he gave me the following
information on FISM.
8 july
Opening Gala
After some swiss folkore and the official opening there will be
performances of:
Hans Klok, Ali Bongo, Bob Brown and Mummenschanz.
In the evening the first gala with;
Markus Gabriel, Janes Brandon, Voronin, Greg Wilson, Schumagulov,
Mike Douglas, Mahka Tendo and Philippart & Anja.
This gala will be presented by Aldo Colombini and Dick Berny.
9 july and 11 july
Close-up gala
Erhard Liebenow, Bernard Bilis, Juan Tamariz, Michael Ammar, Jean
Merlin, David Williamson, Magic Christian and Tony Binarelli.
10 july and 13 july
Second Gala
Amos Levkovitch, Yogano Jr., The Living Art Theatre, Harry
Blackstone, Bertran Lotth, Tempest and Cottet, Rudy Coby and The
Pendragons.
This show will be presented by Roberto Giobbi and Jean Garance.
Lectures will be by Pierre Brahma, Aldo Colombini, Jean Merlin,
Magic in Sales Promotion, Ascanio, Michael Ammar, David Berglas and
David
Williamson.
There are over 140 contestants in the competition, among them are:
For stage: Arsene Lupin, Topas, Davido, Alex, James Cielen, Petrick
and Mia, Jade, Tom Voss, Les Cantervilles, The Magic Napoleons,
Danilin, Schumagulov, John Carney etc, etc.
For close-up: Daryl, Roberto Giobbi, John Carney etc.
Totally there are already 1800 conventioneers. The theatre is full!
People who subscribe now, can come but they will not have tickets
for the opening and the closing gala (with the prize winners). The
other gala's and other activities they can of course see.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #6959 Dated 7:54:53 06-18-91 6942 <--> 6963
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
ARGH! I didn't know anyone was using the "End of Messages" line for
their automatic script files! Shall I change it back?
Msg #6960 Dated 7:56:43 06-18-91 6944 <--> 6964
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
OK, Will go back to PLAIN VANILLA - "End of Messages" Sorry, folks, I
didn't know it was a control item for ASX/ASP scripts.
Msg #6961 Dated 7:59:21 06-18-91 6946 <--> 6982
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW RELEASE OF RDMAGIC
Sounds VERY GOOD, Jerry. Will check out the latest and greatest
RDMAGIC a little later today. Meanwhile, will make sure it is
available for others to download. Thanks!
Msg #6962 Dated 8:00:53 06-18-91 6948 <--> 7033
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
I think you could be right. It is a long time since I read it and most
of my SF is packed away. It provides insight into how a "small change"
can affect the direction of society.
Interesting that the same thing happens in magic. Change the storyline
and the effect appears to be completely different.
Msg #6963 Dated 8:03:37 06-18-91 6959 <--> 6979
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I SUGGEST YOU FIX IT IMMEDIATELY.
Msg #6964 Dated 8:03:59 06-18-91 6960 <--> 6969
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
WHAT IS AN ASX/ASP script? A science fiction movie?
Msg #6965 Dated 8:03:39 06-18-91 6950 <--> 7003
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: EMMYS
Guess you heard/knew about the Clio cancellation last night.
Apparently they couldn't pay the rent on the hall and pay the
stagehands. So presumably the Clios are going to be mailed - if they
don't hock 'em that is.
Msg #6966 Dated 8:04:49 06-18-91 6909 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IMP E FUNCTION TEST - PUB
Yes!!! I can read it!!! Great Jer.... see you in Balto and you can
explain it.
Msg #6967 Dated 8:04:54 06-18-91 6914 <--> 7006
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Extinct? (is how you feel)
Msg #6968 Dated 8:04:57 06-18-91 6917 <--> 7036
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Boy, I hope you are (wait a minute... this is in response to a
msg from Tab, but my replyis for Randy) I say, "I hope you are
doing it in the English LANGUAGE!"
Msg #6969 Dated 8:05:03 06-18-91 6919 <--> 6971
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
I deserve Less than Nothing!
Msg #6970 Dated 8:05:07 06-18-91 6920 <--> 6974
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Right. Unless it was a 37 lb. Killer Squirrell. Did you like the
picture I faxed you of the 34 Lb. Grasshopper! Arrrgghhhh.
Msg #6971 Dated 8:05:12 06-18-91 6923 <--> 6973
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Whatever a euphamism is I'll take it, massah!
Msg #6972 Dated 8:05:16 06-18-91 6924 <--> 7235
From: PETE BIRO
To: WALTER LOUGHNEY (X)
Re: IBM CONVENTION
Leave a message here for Bill Wells of teh IBM Committee re rooms.
He might know someone (he has the entire reg list)
Msg #6973 Dated 8:05:21 06-18-91 6925 <--> 6977
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Don't stop the Message... my back still hurts.
Msg #6974 Dated 8:05:25 06-18-91 6930 <--> 6994
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Snakes count. How? By using their rattles.
Msg #6976 Dated 8:05:33 06-18-91 6935 <--> 6996
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IMP TEST E FUNCTION TO AL
I just tried the Enter function and it didn't work. Is the fact that
I am using a 1989 version of IMP! relevant?
Msg #6977 Dated 8:05:38 06-18-91 6936 <--> 6983
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Good TA, maybe something like "DON'T FORGET TO MAKE HOURLY BACKUPS"
once in awhile too....
HEY... Since you are around the Castle a lot... Maybe you could
clarify something for me and it would inform the members of MAGIC!
as well.
The "Acadamy of Magic Arts" is the "club", it is run by the
"board" and the prez is W. Larsen. Right? The Magic Castle (the
building, the restaurant, etc. HAS NO CONNECTION and is "owned" by
Milt Larsen. Right? So the Board REALLY doesn't have any power
over the Superb Piggy, Right? It is Milt's turf, Right?
Msg #6978 Dated 8:05:51 06-18-91 6940 <--> 7017
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: NEW SUB
Dante: Check in the mail (been away) and.... If you get the chance
would you ask whoever is in the job, to make me a NEW plastic
Magic Castle Life Member card? Appreicate it, mine is in little
cracked pieces. I think my nr. is Life 1302.
Msg #6979 Dated 8:05:58 06-18-91 6941 <--> 6980
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Never been to any of the Magic Islands. Kinda felt it was anti to
my long-time association with the Larsen family.
Msg #6980 Dated 8:06:03 06-18-91 6942 <--> 6998
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT IF
You mean the "techman" screwed up. Har.
Msg #6981 Dated 8:06:07 06-18-91 6943 <--> 6986
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SAT.
Gee does that mean if you do an act in a clown suit, you have to
change into a pin stripe to go out to the bar? That knocks me out.
Not enuf magicians wear "original" wardrobe. I see an ad in the
Linking Ring I wanna rip out of the magazine everytime I get it
from some guy selling TUXEDO outfits! Arrrggghhhh. Everybody should
buy one and burn it, maybe he'll run out of stock!
Msg #6982 Dated 8:06:16 06-18-91 6946 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW RELEASE OF RDMAGIC
Jerman! You are really getting it LOOKIN' GOOD. I love the new
functions you are talking bout in 6946. Those are just the needs
that I feel will make it GREATER than it already is. Grassy ass.
Msg #6983 Dated 8:06:22 06-18-91 6949 <--> 6990
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
I would answer that, but then you wouldn't have the last word.
Msg #6985 Dated 8:06:33 06-18-91 6957 <--> 6988
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FISM- PROGRAM
Sounds like the same old stuff. (Just kidding...) Can't wait to
get there. Guess I will have to bring a Voltage transformer so I
can "re charge" my batteries in the computer. Does anyone know if
that will be a problem?????
Msg #6986 Dated 8:06:39 06-18-91 6943 <--> 6997
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SAT.
Also... when is there going to be someone that is REALLY FUNNY
with large Illusions? The funniest I can recall was done, not by
a magician, but by Ben Blue years ago on TV. Penn & Teller come
close, but they are more intellectually funny than slapstick.
Oooops... see when you put the brain in gear too quickly you forget
Kohl and Co. Haven't seen the Magic Plumbers lately, they might be
getting closer.
Msg #6988 Dated 8:08:50 06-18-91 6957 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FISM- PROGRAM
Fantastic, Arnaud! Thank you for the information. Sure wish I could
be there, but will have to follow the news here on MAGIC! (via
MAGIC-NL) this time.
Msg #6990 Dated 8:11:27 06-18-91 6964 <--> 6991
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Some people use "scripts" that handle the entire log-on, read messages
(and/or upload new messages), log-off operation. Since some scripts
use special languages they are refered to by the type of file they
generate. I always heard of it as ASP, but Jerry calls it ASX, hence
ASX/ASP.
Using a script, you can hit one key and watch the system handle the
whole session for you. Theoretically, you wouldn't even need to be
there - you could set it to go off at some hour like 4 a.m. I'm a
little leary of such things in practice, but they do work most of the
time if the script is well written.
Between scripts, IMP!, and an "artificial intelligence" program, it
will be eventually possible for your computer to log on to MAGIC!,
download the messages, read them, create your replies, log on and
upload them, and log off. You won't even need to be involved.
Msg #6991 Dated 8:17:03 06-18-91 6971 <--> 6992
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
A euphemism is "the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive
expression for one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant."
They are very popular among undertakers.
Msg #6992 Dated 8:18:43 06-18-91 6991 <--> 6993
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Also among politicians.
Msg #6993 Dated 8:19:19 06-18-91 6973 <--> 7002
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Actually, despite his eventual fall from popularity, Marshall McLuhan
said _some_ very profound things - The Medium is the Massage was a
great concept. I suspect that it also made him a hero among the
spiritualists.
Msg #6994 Dated 8:23:22 06-18-91 6974 <--> 7007
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
As a kid I used to count snakes. We used to go into the swamps and
hunt water mocs. Got some pretty hair raising tales I could tell. Now
those swamps (in South Florida) are all shopping centers.
My nephew was hiking in Israel and an ASP (the snake, not to be
confused with the scripting language) crawled into his backpack during
a rest stop. His hiking buddy reached into the pack to get something
and the Asp got him! It was no joke - the guy almost died.
Asps have a long history in magic. Cleopatra used one to commit
suicide.
Msg #6996 Dated 8:29:57 06-18-91 6976 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP TEST E FUNCTION TO AL
Very relevant! The new version isn't up yet - Jerry had a problem
uploading it.
Msg #6997 Dated 8:31:11 06-18-91 6981 <--> 7009
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
These days, with magi wearing all kinds of weird outfits, a tux IS very
creative and original! Personally, I'm tired of seeing all the gold
chains, leisure suits, etc.
Msg #6998 Dated 8:42:35 06-18-91 6963 <--> 7008
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
Jerry is now set to key off of the two right arrow brackets (two of
these - >) marks, but others may not be, so I've changed it to (two
left arrow brackets), the classic end statement, (two right arrow
brackets). Notice that I am NOT showing what it looks like so that
no-ones script or RDMAGIC program reads it in this message!
Oh, well, we tried to be creative...
NOTE: Msg #6999 was personal and does not appear in this file.
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