MAGIC! - 35
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Note: Messages #7000 and 7001 were private and do not appear here.
Msg #7002 Dated 9:35:07 06-18-91 -> 7018
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Good thing you didn't, then.
'W.
Msg #7003 Dated 9:36:30 06-18-91 -> 7056
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EMMYS
Too late...I think they DID hock 'em!
'W.
Msg #7006 Dated 11:13:45 06-18-91 -> 7034
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Actually it made me feel better.
Msg #7007 Dated 11:13:49 06-18-91 -> 7019
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Oh, yeah...the 34 lb grasshopper. That was good. Where do you dig
these things up. I was so flabbergasted I couldn't make a comment
just in case you were pulling my leg so hard I couldn't feel it. The
squirrel actually fell out of a big Oak in the courtyard bar there
onto a table surrounded by songwriters. Ray Stevens had a song out
about squirrels about a year after that. More laughs than ever that
night.
Msg #7008 Dated 11:13:58 06-18-91 -> 7022
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I've always felt a loyalty to Genii in the same way that you feel a
loyalty to the Castle family. I never got into subscribing to other
magic mags for the same reason.
Msg #7009 Dated 11:14:03 06-18-91 -> 7013
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Nobody ever says anything about Blackstone Jr. being a funny guy,
but I really enjoy his humor.
Msg #7010 Dated 11:10:19 06-18-91
From: MARVIN STERN
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Have a good trip and we'll see you on the Friday after you return.
I leave for London July 4, and in fact talked to them this AM.
As always it's raining heavyin London and very cold. Probably the same
in Manchester.
Upon your return, fill me in on the magic . I have about 5 days after
our trade show ends and before the cruise startsl, and then 2 weeks
after the cruise. Evie going with you?
Pirogies must have onions.
Msg #7011 Dated 11:46:28 06-18-91 -> 7026
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
A favor, please.
I cannot locate my Genii issue with Jay Scott Berry on the cover.
Inside there is a tight head shot of Jay, with a camera in back of him,
on which is engraved the name of my company. Would appreciate a xerox
copy of that page. If you would be so kind to mail it to me, I'll buy
you a drink. Thanks much.
Msg #7012 Dated 12:18:46 06-18-91 -> 7092
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF MESSAGE MESSAGE
Jerry,
Regarding the End of message messing up your ASX file, have you tried
the WAITQUIET command? I use it in a totally hands off program and it
works like this: The ASX file will suspend operation until the line is
quiet for a specified length of time or until the default timeout.
WAITQUIET 10 FOREVER will wait indefinately for a 10 second span of no
messages, then the next line can generate a TRANSMIT "G" message
Hope this helps!
David (the other one)
Msg #7013 Dated 12:32:10 06-18-91 7009 <--> 7015
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
Me, too, Tab. Harry and I have the same agent and, on the times we've
crossed paths at the office, he was certainly holding his own amongst
several of us who are more known for our comedy.
'W.
Msg #7014 Dated 13:14:26 06-18-91 -> 7027
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCOTTY YORK
It's been so long since I've initiated a message without IMP that
I hope this still works. Will be glad to get the new IMP! with
the Enter command. Wowzie.
.
Am connecting with Bill Wells and Charles Randall tonight in
Crystal City. Our objective is to locate Scotty York who is
working the Foxhole or Fox Den or sumptin like thet. Wish you
could join us as we're out for some S&M (supper and magic).
.
Gloria made the trials for the US Championships in LA and left
this morning. Brunswick Stew made and freezed. Since I was
helper, I ground squirrel, unikorn etc it is best ever. I saw a
racoon laying in the road this morn coming bak from airport but
he was o stiff ad almost go run over on freeway trying to pry
him off pavement .
.
I'ze all set for The Biro and The Frog to visit. Thankz to The
Buzzman, I'm muy busy. When the magic is good, things always
pick up in other areas too, sooooo.
.
Well, it's almost next week and I'm two weeks behind so I'll sign
off, but wanted to say hey. Am playing yo phone tag message on
machine for Ole Blue and the rest of the hounds and letting them
sniff one of your old business cards so we can track you down
case you get lost.
.
hasta luego...
Msg #7015 Dated 14:02:22 06-18-91 7013 <--> 7016
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SAT.
Gee, I'm glad somebody else thinks that HB Jr. is a funny guy. He
gets kinda corny sometimes, but so do I. He has an excellent mind and
is quick with the wit. His performance on the Penn and Tellar noon
time show was impressive. He said he was gonna join us here on MAGIC!
when I talked to him at Desert Magic. Give him another invite next
time you see him at the office. Bye...
Msg #7016 Dated 14:47:26 06-18-91 7015 <--> 7021
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
Will do, Tabber...now stop chattering and get back to Workbench No. 1
at Tabman International Headquarters!
'W.
Msg #7017 Dated 14:54:38 06-18-91 -> 7176
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: NEW SUB
To Dante: I think my nr is 1382?
Msg #7018 Dated 14:54:42 06-18-91 -> 7039
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Gee that sounds great! Not even here. Then I could pull the files
and drop into the byte bucket sight unseen. I dunno, it doesn't
sound like there is room for human error. And what do you do about
the phone bills?
Msg #7019 Dated 14:54:51 06-18-91 -> 7024
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Cleopatra was considered a magicienne? Nah?
Msg #7021 Dated 14:55:01 06-18-91 -> 7025
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAT.
Gold Chains and leisure suits are out too. Just like Tuxes are out.
After all, as Al Koran once said, "you must be the best dressed
person in the room. Even better dressed than the head waiter."
Msg #7022 Dated 14:55:08 06-18-91 -> 7058
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I still don't know.
Msg #7024 Dated 14:55:18 06-18-91 7007 <--> 7052
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Jim Nagel subscribes to the paper that has all the rediculous stuff.
One featured a Human Head Transplant. ARrrgghhhh.
Msg #7025 Dated 14:55:24 06-18-91 7009 <--> 7028
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
Harry has done some very funny shows. I watched him knock a lay
audience dead. I personally just don't like his wardrobe. All else
about him is GREAT. He has really "saved" me a couple of times and
the IBM owes him much for what he has done for them.
Msg #7026 Dated 14:55:32 06-18-91 7011 <--> 7038
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
Why don't you call J.S.B. and see if he can send you the original
photo?
Msg #7027 Dated 14:55:37 06-18-91 7014 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SCOTTY YORK
Guy said, "Hey your business card is blank!" Answered, "Business is
bad!"
Msg #7028 Dated 14:55:43 06-18-91 7015 <--> 7029
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
HB will be toastmassah at the IBM Banquet and as you see, is going
to work at the FISM. Will chat him up about MAGIC! Gad, I hate the
time zones. The accountant for the firm that owes me lots of dough
called and by the time I got home she was left work (3 hrs argh).
So in the ayem will wake up early and call. Crap.
Msg #7029 Dated 15:11:30 06-18-91 7016 <--> 7030
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SAT.
Workbench No. 1. That sounds like a country song or maybe something
from Big Bill Broonzy.
Msg #7030 Dated 15:11:36 06-18-91 7021 <--> 7031
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
That lets me out.
Msg #7031 Dated 15:11:40 06-18-91 7025 <--> 7032
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Well, his wardrobe is definately early Harry, but who cares. Someone
has to support the velvet industry.
Msg #7032 Dated 15:11:46 06-18-91 7028 <--> 7046
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
That's great about HB being toastmaster at IBM Banquet. What kind of
BBQ are we having? Am off to meet with Wells the Wizard and Randall
the Bookmaster in Crystal City. We found out Scotty is magishing at
The Fox Hole. Sounds like some sort of major pickup point. Have
moussed my hair like Penn and have my MS Rabbitt pen in my lapel
so there will be no doubt that I'm with them. I'm outa here...
Msg #7033 Dated 15:14:46 06-18-91 -> 7061
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
Engineers are just thin skinned I guess!
Msg #7034 Dated 15:15:54 06-18-91 -> 7035
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
With only 20 on this damned IBM PS/2-50 I hoard hard disk space like a
miser. The sad part is it is cheaper for me to replace this pig with
a 386 or even some 486 machines with big HD's than it is to increase
the size in the unit I have.
Msg #7035 Dated 15:18:38 06-18-91 -> 7047
From: RANDY LUND
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
I assume that's a new rock? group with an interesting outlook on life.
Msg #7036 Dated 15:20:29 06-18-91 -> 7062
From: RANDY LUND
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
All versions of MAGICdB are written in compiled basic using the
Microsoft Professional Basic Development System Ver 7.1. "C" may be
portable but basic is readable and maintainable (especially if you use
structured programming techniques, which I do) and usable when there
are intervals of nonuse. As this isn't my profession I look on C as a
tool that you must use constantly to keep the rather obscure coding
requirements in your head. I have Quick C and have used it to write
some test programs, but so far at least have found no compelling reason
to switch.
Msg #7037 Dated 16:03:07 06-18-91 -> 7064
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DODGERS
If you would talk to your answering machine and get on the ball, you
could have Weds tickets.
Msg #7038 Dated 16:28:37 06-18-91 7026 <--> 7048
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
I guess I should have a b&w print in my files. Good idea to call him.
However, for my purpose now, I need a xerox of the page showing the
picture . A non-magic friend sent me an article quoting JSB, and I
want to send him the published page.
Msg #7039 Dated 17:16:19 06-18-91 -> 7042
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
If I remember correctly the Magic Castle building is owned by a Mr.
Tom Glover. It is leased to the Larsens.
Msg #7040 Dated 17:33:26 06-18-91 6954 <--> 7067
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE PERATA (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
I believe that was Derek Dingle's Rollover Aces combined with expert
Topit technique.
Msg #7042 Dated 17:37:27 06-18-91 -> 7049
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
This is, in fact close to how I deal with MAGIC! right now.
Msg #7043 Dated 18:11:25 06-18-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAVEN'S KIRIGAMI
I tried to get the Linking Ring, but I couldn't get it on a
technicality. Something about not belonging to the IBM! M-U-M could use
a little overhaul, maybe some punching up. Let's see what Micheal
Douglas does with it...
Msg #7044 Dated 18:13:35 06-18-91 -> 7045
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF
Good idea. But in the meanwhile we still have places to meet. No
regular place yet. But next month's meeting place has a spectacular
stage. The stage is so good that next month's theme has been changed
from kid's magic to Full Stage competition! Anyways, I'm off to see a
magic/juggling/clown show at the library across from City Hall.
Msg #7045 Dated 18:25:58 06-18-91 7044 <--> 7381
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: STUFF
What city are you meeting in?
Msg #7046 Dated 18:26:23 06-18-91 7029 <--> 7059
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
Wish I had a workbench... RIGHT NOW GOT NUTTIN' ELECTRICITY HAS BEE
OUT FOR OVER AN HOUR... LUCKILY the ole laptop battery is UP!
Msg #7047 Dated 18:26:29 06-18-91 7034 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Every computer becomes obsolete just before you buy it! Arrrgghhh.
Msg #7048 Dated 18:26:33 06-18-91 7038 <--> 7079
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
Sounds good to me. No sense giving away the good stuff. What kine
of camera has your co. name on it? Do you know Ted Field (I think
he bought PANAVISION)? He was (or is) heir of Marshall Field, big
dept. store family in Chicago. He and brother split the wealth
instead of staing together as Ted wanted to get into movie business.
He has backed several major successful flicks.
Msg #7049 Dated 18:26:41 06-18-91 7039 <--> 7053
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Right, as far as the turf, etc. but the Operating Company (food and
beverage) is Milton's. I understand Glover gets a huge amount of
dinero as the Brother's offered him a PERCENTAGE of the GROSS as
rent. And with no money down, it was a good deal at the time.
But Glover has been kind with renovations, tearing down old apt.
bldgs to make parking space, etc. etc. Good deal all around!
Msg #7052 Dated 19:14:10 06-18-91 7019 <--> 7057
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Maybe old Cleo wasn't a very good magicienne, but she had a great
piece of ASP!
Msg #7053 Dated 19:15:07 06-18-91 7018 <--> 7055
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
As to the phone bills - you let your machine explain it to their
machine. Having a modem is worse than having a teenager.
Msg #7055 Dated 19:17:11 06-18-91 7042 <--> 7072
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Close to how you deal with MAGIC! - As in my scenario didn't go far
enough?
Msg #7056 Dated 19:18:12 06-18-91 7003 <--> 7090
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: EMMYS
Yeah - I heard that the night before, the print media people RAN UP ON
STAGE IN A PACK and GRABBED theirs. Guess the electronic media people
weren't as saavy? Can't believe they aren't as pushy.
Msg #7057 Dated 19:30:53 06-18-91 7052 <--> 7287
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
I'll go with Richard's reply.
Msg #7058 Dated 19:32:05 06-18-91 7022 <--> 7542
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT IF
So far, no complaints about the reconstructed end of messages message,
except that we are back to those who are bored with it or feel that it
is too sudden a shock.
Msg #7059 Dated 19:33:48 06-18-91 7021 <--> 7076
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Geez... The places I go, I'm lucky if the head waiter wears shoes. I
agree with Koran's statement. I'm sure that there are more than a few
who will disagree.
Msg #7061 Dated 19:43:51 06-18-91 7033 <--> 7073
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
If engineers are thin skinned, you can imagine what software engineers
are like! To quote a variant on Mr. Biro - ARRGH!
Msg #7062 Dated 19:44:48 06-18-91 7036 <--> 7075
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Randy -
Are you going to go for Visual Basic? Looks like the paths are going
to diverge as it is apparently incompatible with Pro-Basic or Quick.
Assume you got the letter re: the Microsoft deal. If you didn't, I'm
not going to use mine (the discount), so you can have it if you want.
Msg #7064 Dated 19:50:39 06-18-91 7037 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DODGERS
Sorry, I have really had a day! Yo won't believe. Finally picked iup
your message about 4p.m. but had to dash before I could call. It's
7:45 p.m. and i'm off to the Castle. Will call tomorrow morning, 'bout
9:30 or so. Talk with you then, Marvin. MIKe.
Msg #7065 Dated 20:52:52 06-18-91 -> 7071
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Will definitely be back for lunch at the Castle on the 28th.
Can't believe you will be gone from the real action that long! Have you
checked out what Magi is available on your cruise? Will give you a
report on Blackpool when I return.
It's a seaside resort and if you have five days there is great
countryside on the train between London and Blackpool.
I understand you'll have to convince Audrey about a journey to see
Magic, but tell her about the historical countryside and the beautiful
Cotswills, on the way. Sad to say, Ev will not be joining me since it's
a company business trip. No onions stuffed in the Pirogies, just fried
in butter and onions.
Msg #7067 Dated 22:04:35 06-18-91 6954 <--> 7069
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE PERATA (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
The effect belongs to Derek Dingle, and was published in THE COMPLETE
WORKS OF DEREK DINGLE. (Does that name ring a bell?) It was written
and illustrated by Richard Kaufman. The presentation is my own. The
stopwatch addition was my effort to add the threat of failure, and
theater, stuff like that...
Msg #7068 Dated 22:18:10 06-18-91 -> 7095
From: JIM SISTI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COMING TO CT
I work two places on Friday nights but if you're looking to have
dinner, you're best off coming to Phil's Steak & Lobster House in
Waterbury (which is about 30 minutes from where you'll be, if I
remember correctly where you're going to be). Give me the specifics
again as to where you're staying and I'll get some detailed directions
to you (if you have a fax, let me have the number). Thanks for the
kind words about THE MAGIC MENU-YEAR ONE. I'm very pleased with the
way it came out. Talk to you soon!
Msg #7069 Dated 22:22:35 06-18-91 6954 <--> 7425
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE PERATA (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
The published version of "Rollover Aces" (the trick that Mike did) that
I'm familiar with is in The Complete Works of Derek Dingle by Richard
Kaufman. Hope that helps. . .
Msg #7071 Dated 23:14:54 06-18-91 7065 <--> 7110
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
I stuff onions fried in butter IN the pirogie!
Msg #7072 Dated 23:21:29 06-18-91 -> 7078
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
If you think I am going to get into the middle of Piggate, you're even
crazier than I remember...
Msg #7073 Dated 23:30:02 06-18-91 -> 7080
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
Is the Niven story you're thinking of "The Jigsaw Man" -- just a title
I seem to remember...
Msg #7075 Dated 23:57:59 06-18-91 7036 <--> 7100
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
I use (or have used) a basic compiler for programming when I was
writing stuff myself - Quick Basic 4.0 - and developed a pro
music program which sold in the 500 dollar range, but my code
was so convoluted that it fooled even the "experts."
Msg #7076 Dated 23:58:06 06-18-91 7046 <--> 7088
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Hey, spent four hours over at Scotty York's house with Bill and
Charlie. Scotty sez HI PETE and does a great effect using your
old Genii column - The Reel Works - as a patter theme for laity.
Scotty is gonna sail up to IBM Balto and hang out some. What an
excellent worker, builder, thinker, entertainer, etc...
Msg #7078 Dated 23:58:21 06-18-91 7072 <--> 7093
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Piggate. Now, you're really cracking me up.
Msg #7079 Dated 23:57:08 06-18-91 7048 <--> 7111
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ET BRO (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
Ted Field is the owner of Interscope Communications, one of the few
movie companies formed by true "outside money" to succeed in a big way.
He/they recently signed a deal with a Japanese investment group to
provide Disney with mucho output over the next few years.
Msg #7080 Dated 23:59:03 06-18-91 7073 <--> 7084
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
ITHINK that might be it... Niven wrote a series of "organlegging"
stories, the JigsaMan being either a novel or story in that series...
Actually, now that I think about it, I think it's a story a bit older
than "The Jigsaw Man." ... Good memory, anyhows...
Msg #7081 Dated 0:02:08 06-19-91 -> 7086
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: END OF...
I'm sorry, but I have to say that there is something horribly bleak
about the new, left-justified, "End of Messages" message. Can't Jerry
key off a symbol, like the double <<, instead of this?
<< End of Message >>
See, it just feels wrong!
Msg #7082 Dated 0:16:19 06-19-91 -> 7083
From: MIKE ORKIN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAKING ONE'S OWN SPECIAL
Thank you very much for the information. I'm going get out the old
steel wool and get to work!
Msg #7083 Dated 0:19:54 06-19-91 -> 7087
From: MIKE ORKIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAKING ONE'S OWN SPECIAL
I'll look forward to seeing if the message can be retrieved. My wife
is a pretty good artist, we'll see how well she can do. (She calls me
"Ace" because I'm such a card!)
Thanks for the information
Msg #7084 Dated 0:25:15 06-19-91 7073 <--> 7085
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
That doesn't ring a bell (ASCII 07 will do that), somehow doesn't sound
like the name of the story I remember, but, then again, if it is Niven
it is quite possible.
Msg #7085 Dated 0:26:58 06-19-91 7080 <--> 7131
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
I think it was part of the "organlegging" stories and I think you may
be right - I think it preceded the others.
Msg #7086 Dated 0:30:30 06-19-91 7081 <--> 7097
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: END OF...
ARGH! URGH! EVAN! It is NO bleaker than it was! As a matter of fact,
I've added aesthetics in the form of the angle brackets - notice how
they point to both the past and the future.
NOTE TO JERRY: Could you key off of quote marks? Perhaps Evan would
prefer those.
Msg #7087 Dated 0:23:46 06-19-91 -> 7103
From: MIKE ORKIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAKING ONE'S OWN SPECIAL
Thanks for the hints. I'll stop by an art supply store and see what
they have in the way of rub ons. Aaron Bros rubbed me the wrong way when
they suggested that Pilot's right-on-anything permanent marker would do
the trick. It writes on anything but cards. I'll try sandpapering the
finish off the card next time before I start drawing.
Msg #7088 Dated 1:46:25 06-19-91 7029 <--> 7101
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
Or maybe a Billboard chart position!
'W.
Msg #7090 Dated 1:56:23 06-19-91 7056 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EMMYS
They are...they just didn't want to get their hair mussed in the
tussle!
'W.
Msg #7091 Dated 8:43:25 06-19-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BETTER LATE...
Thanks to Marvin Stern, we have a copy of the following, which appeared
in the Magic Castle Chronicle for June 14, 1991...
"Oh embarrassment --- Oh shame! I found a reservation note on my desk
this morning from last week! DAVID LICHTMAN, who is the impressario of
MAGIC! The Electronic Communications System, hosted a luncheon in honor
of CHARLIE RANDALL from Houston, Texas. Maybe David can put this tardy
mention plus my apologies on the MAGIC! modem."
Msg #7092 Dated 9:14:48 06-19-91 7012 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: END OF MESSAGE MESSAGE
Hey thanks David (the other one), I sent my PCLUS ASP manual to Tabby
and just modified the one you had uploaded. I was keying off the End
to turn off the log so I wouldn't have system stuff appended to the
last msg. I hadn't realized David had changed it to <<. It works OK
now, but I might try the WAITQUIET, in case he gets creative in the
future.
Msg #7093 Dated 9:14:56 06-19-91 7055 <--> 7096
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
No I think as in bit bucket - Evan is smarting.
Msg #7095 Dated 9:15:45 06-19-91 7068 <--> 7114
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: COMING TO CT
Staying in Norwalk, CT at my daughter's place. FAX # (714) 535-5432.
Don't necessarily have to have dinner. Which place would be best for
just hanging out for a while. Would like to have some time to just
talk about magic and such.
Msg #7096 Dated 9:15:50 06-19-91 7072 <--> 7099
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
That's good 'piggate', maybe we could get the magic Plumbers to do
some covert operations on it, like make it disappear.
Msg #7097 Dated 9:15:54 06-19-91 7081 <--> 7098
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: END OF...
Thanks Evan - you just turned off my auto download by having << End
in YOUR msg. I'll have to change it again. The problem with keying
off stuff coming off the BBS is that Procomm isn't smart enough to
know which << End is real and which isn't. Will the the WAITQUIET
David V suggested.
.
In the IMP program I do key off the << so the msg between the bracket
s can be anything that makes everyone feel good.
Msg #7098 Dated 9:20:29 06-19-91 7097 <--> 7102
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
I knew that would happen! HHHHHHHHHARRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Msg #7099 Dated 9:20:51 06-19-91 7072 <--> 7105
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Piggate... great name. Actually, I hate to admit it, but I like the
sculpture. IT JUST IS IN THE WRONG PLACE! Needs to be about three
inches to the left. No.... ARrrgghhhhohohohoho....
Msg #7100 Dated 9:20:57 06-19-91 7075 <--> 7132
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Yeah, it sure FOOLED ME!
Msg #7101 Dated 9:21:01 06-19-91 7076 <--> 7109
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
i KNEW you would have a report. Gee, Scotty Dog uses sompin of mine.
Wow... dind't know nobody read the stuffffffff....
Msg #7102 Dated 9:21:06 06-19-91 7081 <--> 7106
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: END OF...
You nearly fooled ME... I read << End of Messages >> in your message
and nearly logged off!!!
Msg #7103 Dated 9:21:11 06-19-91 7087 <--> 7330
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE ORKIN (X)
Re: MAKING ONE'S OWN SPECIAL
SHARPIE pens WILL write on anything. But the light sanding or steel
wool -- or rubbing with, I think French Chalk, or some kind of
pumice powder might be even finer. We used to use something in the
art studio (but that was about 30 years ago) to ruff up slick stuff.
We also used to use a little soap (you wet brush & rub on a bar of
soap--plain, like Ivory--WHICH IS 56-Hundredths TOXIC!!!) and mix
into watercolor to get it to stick on slick surfaces.
Krylon fix is good AFTER to make it more permanent. Is that a
legal statement? MORE PERMANENT?
Msg #7105 Dated 9:55:54 06-19-91 7096 <--> 7174
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
I haven't seen the Magic Plumbers in a long time - and while they are
certain appropriate to T A's "piggate" analogy, if they are no better
than they used to be then: 1) They are even more likely to get caught
than the original Watergate team, and, 2) I'd like to see them vanish
their act at the same time. They are nice people, but they are caught
in an act that needs repair.
Msg #7106 Dated 9:59:59 06-19-91 7102 <--> 7118
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: END OF...
Pete - You just did it to Jerry AGAIN! Please don't put the angle
brackets or the end message in a message!
Msg #7109 Dated 10:37:16 06-19-91 7101 <--> 7120
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
He patters about your column in Genii about there being only 20
people in magic who think for the rest of us. Then about your sending
a questionairre out to find out who they were. Only seven names show
up and since none of your friends showed up on the list you never
published the list, etc. It's funny. He is TEN TIMES BETTER now than
ten years ago. He's been hiding out and really developing his bar act
night after night. We went to the FOX HOLE (what a name, I guess a
play on Scotty's Foxy image) but Scotty had just QUIT the night befor
after putting $170 dollars on the ceiling and somebody who worked the
bar stole his money, etc. Sooo we walked out, called Scotty and went
over to his house for a private four hour show-lecture in his living
room. Mr. Wells took us (me and Charlie) to a great Tex-Mex
Restaurante and then hang out at Scotty's til almost 2am then a drive
back across the bridge and home to DeCarlo. Girl magish LUPE was over
and did some stuff for us too. She is a delight. She is coming up to
IBM too. Found out the real work on Scotty's magnificant card rise
which I understand some slug ripped off and was doing at the Castle
a coupla weeks ago. A much copied guy. No wonder he's been hiding out
and just working for laypersons and select magi the past few years.
He's also got some new stuff and a highly developed version of his
lightbulb trick which he is selling for $225. I picked up a copy
of his new lecture notes which he is just starting to do again and
he tips so much. We had an excellent time and MANY THANKS to pal
Wells for chauffeuring us. Oops, Dr. Lichtman just phoned and needs
me online. Back atcha......Oh, Scotty sez HEY PETE!!
Msg #7110 Dated 10:40:43 06-19-91 7071 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
You can stuff them anywhere you like.
Msg #7111 Dated 10:41:55 06-19-91 7048 <--> 7121
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
Our camera shown in the picture is an Arri 16 SR motion picture camera.
The Arriflex (Arri) is the German camera that is giving Panavision a
run for it's money.
Ted Field sold Panavision a few years ago, and made a bundle on it.
The two English guys (the Lee Brothers) who bought the company from him
paid way-way too much for it. But it was an ego thing with them and
they ran into a long Hollywood strike and the bank eventually took it
over.
PS: my company is Birns & Sawyer, Inc.
Msg #7112 Dated 10:47:37 06-19-91 -> 7124
From: MARVIN STERN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CAMERA
Turns out that the roll of film in my wife's camera when it was stolen,
was NOT the roll with her and JW. So she has that picture. Camera out
great.
Msg #7113 Dated 10:49:12 06-19-91 -> 7115
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: MAGIC
Heard about your brief discussion with Joe re changes.
If it's possible, what I would like to see is three categories of
messages, so one could read one group and not the others.
Three groups of messages -
1. Magic
2. General - Misc-BS
3 Computer
I for one, do not understand, nor am I interested in ASC II, WPA, BFD,
and all the rest. But each day I must plough through all that. Would
be nice if I and others, who want to, could just by-pass that.
Just a thought, but would be interested in what others think.
Msg #7114 Dated 11:01:45 06-19-91 7095 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COMING TO CT
I'll be faxing some directions to you soon.
Msg #7115 Dated 12:31:17 06-19-91 7113 <--> 7117
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC
Now that is the first intelligent catagorization suggestion I've
herd. In addition to the three you've suggested - 1/Magic 2/BS 3/Bits
might I suggest 4/Feuds.
Msg #7117 Dated 12:51:01 06-19-91 7115 <--> 7122
From: MARVIN STERN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC
I thought of #4, and was going to call it "tirades", but decided
against it. Didn't want o start anything.
Msg #7118 Dated 12:55:27 06-19-91 7106 <--> 7129
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: END OF...
You mean I can't use (no I won't) Hargh?
Msg #7120 Dated 12:57:19 06-19-91 7109 <--> 7289
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
I have a couple of versions of the Ken Brooke York Bulb, and the orig
that Scott gave me moons ago. The KB ones have dead batteries.
Msg #7121 Dated 12:58:11 06-19-91 7111 <--> 7126
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
I have known of Birns & Sawyer for years. Great rental outfit. Adios
Msg #7122 Dated 12:58:57 06-19-91 7117 <--> 7127
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC
Yah, well take that! ZAM BOOM POWIE... Sounds like a Little Richard
Lyric!
Msg #7123 Dated 12:59:27 06-19-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PCAM91
In a few minutes I am heading to the PCAM91, just a few minutes from
the ole HQ here. Will be reportin in tonite!
Msg #7124 Dated 13:00:03 06-19-91 7112 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: CAMERA
Glad to hear it, Marv. Tell her "Hi" and "Pick-A-Card" for me
.
Msg #7126 Dated 14:33:27 06-19-91 7121 <--> 7149
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
Thanks for the kind words.
JSB was shooting a magic pilot for tv and rented the equipment from me.
Don't think the pilot went, or I should have heard from him when they
started shooting again.
Do you know Leon Leon? As old timer like a lot of guys around here.
Suppossely he invented the slate/clapboard. Anyhow, I understand that
he worked on the pilot.
Msg #7127 Dated 14:38:12 06-19-91 7122 <--> 7128
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC
My daughter has worked with Little Richard, when she was prod mgr on a
tape job in which he appeared. Elton John made and unexpected
appearance and joined Little Richard on stage. He played, and sang,
along with LR--was just great. May not compare with some of Tabby's
western music, but was one of the greatest 45 minutes of music, I've
heard.
Msg #7128 Dated 14:59:01 06-19-91 7113 <--> 7137
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC
OK, thanks for the thought, Marvin. I'll think about it.
Msg #7129 Dated 15:01:08 06-19-91 7118 <--> 7134
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: END OF...
Frankly, I think Jerry is taking a risk keying off of the brackets, too
likely to appear in a message, but I can't think of anything mo' betta
off the top of my head.
Msg #7131 Dated 15:37:07 06-19-91 7061 <-
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HEAVEN JOKES
Yes, fortunately I make my living as an engineer and only do software
as a hobby. Oops, secrets out MAGICdB was written by a
non-professional, not schooled in the arts, who doesn't practice every
day and in that most laymen of all languages basic!. I do however try
to make my magic as good as my software.
.
bye for now, Randy
Msg #7133 Dated 15:52:43 06-19-91 7075 <-
From: RANDY LUND
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Microsoft PDS 7.1 makes writing structured code so easy it becomes the
path of least resistance.
Msg #7134 Dated 15:59:45 06-19-91 7086 <--> 7135
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: END OF...
Key off quote marks? You might as well put a knife to my throat.
Msg #7135 Dated 16:00:18 06-19-91 7097 <--> 7136
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
Sorry, Jerry!
Msg #7136 Dated 16:00:53 06-19-91 7102 <--> 7138
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: END OF...
I made such trouble with such little effort... makes me proud.
Msg #7137 Dated 16:36:52 06-19-91 7127 <--> 7141
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC
I sat with Little Richard last year at Grammys. Actually Becky Blaney
who went with me (see it is about magic) went over and grabbed Little
at my urging and he and his body guards came over and sat at our
table. He is magical for sure....Good Golly...
Msg #7138 Dated 16:36:58 06-19-91 7136 <--> 7139
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: END OF...
You are getting more diabolical in your thinking these days Evan. The
bracketed EOM was really good. It got my IMP! too and had me stumped
til I read all about your exploits yesterday. BTW, looks like we're
finally getting somewhere with BP. If all goes well charges dropped
(thanks Hard Copy!!) and bus and gear unimpounded/. Keep yer fingers
crossed. Anywaaayy, BACK TO MAGIC.......
Msg #7139 Dated 17:15:34 06-19-91 7134 <--> 7151
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: END OF...
OK, We won't do it as long as you behave. But just remember, they are
only a keystroke away...
Msg #7140 Dated 17:16:19 06-19-91 -> 7171
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC!
Me bethinks it is time for some magic around here! Acting on Marvin's
suggestion, along with those from a few other folk, I'm asking that we
cut down on the computer stuff as much as possible. The computer here
is merely a tool to get to the magic. So, if folks want to ask each
other technical (computer technical) questions, fine - but please do it
in personal messages.
There are some messages regarding MAGIC! operations and RDMAGIC
functions that do have to be public, but otherwise -- on with the show!
Msg #7141 Dated 17:23:32 06-19-91 7113 <--> 7150
From: STAN LAKE
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC
I too would like to see at least another section for the computer
literate types which I ain't. I just know where the on-off button is.
It would be nice to not have to plow through all of that as Marvin says
in order to read everything else.
General BS would be ok to miss too but that is frequently interlaced
with magic BS which overlaps magic in general. If there were some way
to keep that all straight that would be great but I won't count on it!
Msg #7143 Dated 18:17:26 06-19-91 -> 7145
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M BACK
have found out about the third magic rule in moving-The stuff grows
again when you try to unpack it. Still can't find lots of important
stuff. Hey Pete did you ever get fully unpacked?
I'm still not caught up on all the messages. At tthis rate don't know
if I ever will be. There have been some good discussions but I don't
have time to resond now. Will try to leave comments later in the week.
Msg #7145 Dated 18:28:30 06-19-91 -> 7152
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Sure will try to kill the EOF. Am using word processor on PC Tools 4.0
Msg #7147 Dated 18:37:11 06-19-91 -> 7155
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PCAM91
Ran into Max Maven and Scott Cram, fellow MAGIC!IANS. Not much
happening as yet, only Dealer Preview Opening (Mike Weber in buying
mood) and restraint must prevail. Met Steven Minch. Oh, Weber has a
rough copy of his new book LIFE SAVERS... and it looks like a MUST!
Msg #7149 Dated 18:39:04 06-19-91 7126 <--> 7178
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
Leon Leon was a sound man for years. Funny he worked for the Glen
Glen sound outfit.
Msg #7150 Dated 18:39:09 06-19-91 7127 <--> 7183
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC
Those are the rare momemnts when someone of that calibre just shows
up and starts to have a good time.
Msg #7151 Dated 18:39:15 06-19-91 7134 <--> 7168
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: END OF...
You could KEY OFF to Arrgghh....
Msg #7152 Dated 18:39:19 06-19-91 7143 <--> 7190
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Not even close to fully unpacked, tho I peeked in several boxes
looking for various items. Don't know where it will all fit.
Arrggghhhh....
Msg #7153 Dated 19:26:20 06-19-91 -> 7194
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ADDRESS
What is your mailing address? Have local SAM publication on Linking
Rings that Kent Cummins suggested I send to you, also would like to
add you to mailing list for local newsletter.
Msg #7155 Dated 20:01:53 06-19-91 7147 <--> 7158
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91
Scotty and Lupo were talking about LIFESAVERS last night and wishing
it was out already. Know you're having fun at PCAM getting warmed up
for the IBM next week. Looking forward to the reports. Thats one conv
I've always wanted to attend. When I get rich again I'm gonna take
all the stuff in that I've thought about. I fought the law and the
law folded. Have a good one Kemo Sabe.
Msg #7158 Dated 20:36:52 06-19-91 7147 <--> 7195
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91
Thanks for the early report, Pete. Look forward to joining you at PCAM
via laptop.
Msg #7159 Dated 21:57:47 06-19-91 -> 7191
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Pete -
Charlie, the Tabman, and me had a fine time. We remembered
you a time or two so your ears may have been burning. First old
time magic session I have done in many a moon...guess it took the
three planets to draw me back in. Anyhow it was good foreshadowing
of next week. Sheets and Scotty been working on some good stuff
for the convention. Got a call today from a guy with Baltimore
Stage Lighting that Stratman has been working with. He is sending
proposal for draping, lighting, etc the Baltimore ballroom. Will
advise you when I get it. Also said someone had contacted him re
traveler for Mechanic. Guess Denny's cousin didn't have one and
is trying to get it elsewhere. York has a funny patter bit using
the Reel Works and you...hafta get him to do it for you in
Baltimore. Keep in touch if I can keep out of the mainstream of
all this #*! politics!
Msg #7160 Dated 21:58:38 06-19-91 -> 7164
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THANKS
Tabman -
I really enjoyed meeting with you and Charlie last evening
(Tuesday) I haven't done that in a long time. Also greatly enjoyed
seeing my old pal Scotty again...we chat on the phone now and then
but haven't visited in quite a while. He called today to say how
much he enjoyed meeting you two and showing you some stuff.
Believe me, you only saw the tip of the magical iceberg. At one
point, we used to get together at least one night a week to work
on magic...it was a great few years with ideas being worked on by
a small network of people like Fred K., Derek D., Martin L., and
Roger K. Pete's letters from Fred are one reflection of that
particular period. Last night makes me want to dig out my notes
and go over many of the things that my rejuiced transfer RNA is now
running back thur the old neurons. Anyhow...thanks. I wouldn't
have done it without you guys. Thanks much for the "Toast to VMI",
I think I will also frame it...it is in mint shape and I don't want
it to get dogeared. Looking forward to next week. Do you want me
to try to set a visit up with Nick? If so...what day?
WW
ps - didn't know they still had unicorns in Jawja.
Msg #7161 Dated 21:59:25 06-19-91 -> 7166
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
David -
You never did say anything about what software you might need
to have on the computer you are going to use in Balimo. Of course,
after your comment about it being a 286, you will be lucky if it
even has DOS...speaking of which, I hope I get time to install 5.0
which I just purchased. You might want to bring your communication
software with your configerations. I don't know what you use so
I don't know if I have it or not. I use Telix, but have some of
the others. You will also have a VGA monitor and card. Let me
know details of what you need.
I can't believe the message base this last week. Trying to
read it has completed inhibited me from getting back on the board.
I finally just am saying to hell with it and starting over rather
than trying to repond to old messages and still appear to be in
tune with the current base.
I did want to comment on your questioning of what to do what
regard to Nathan and magic. My advice is to NOT push the child
into magic AT ALL! He may burn out by age 5 if you do. Let him
be a child and develop at his own speed. Howsomever, if he does
mention wanting to work with cards, I suggest getting him on the
Zarrow shuffle and Kelly bottom placement at once.
Remind me to get Scotty York to show you the Frog trick while
you are here.
I vote NO on conferences (or whatever you non PCBoard types
call them) and NO on cute stuff with End of messages! The modern
world is too damn cute as it is.
Damn its good to be back.
Msg #7164 Dated 22:28:03 06-19-91 7160 <--> 7165
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THANKS
Didn't I hear that this week VMI won some sort of suit allowing it to
stay all male?
Msg #7165 Dated 22:34:02 06-19-91 7160 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THANKS
Indeed, it was a good time. I almost called ya'll today just to say
what a good time I had also. Charlie is going later this week for a
one on one with Darwin Ortiz so his magic candle always burns at both
ends. As far as the visit to CW is concerned. Pete is coming in 25 an
d Frog on the 26. BBQ on 27 or 26 if that is better. I'm pretty
flexible, but time may prohibit a group visit right now. My pleasure
to give you grandad's "Toast" as I knew you'd appreciate it. Lemme
know if the skool wants one and I'll be happy to provide. Good news
on the Lake Charles front. They didn't even suspect my bottom deal
nor the two cards I pulled from the middle of the deck. Will find out
next week if bluff worked, but they're offering a deal to drop the
whole nasty incident of which my boys are only the tip of iceburg.
DA is running for governor too. What a world!! Maybe Scotty would
wanna come down for BBQ and would be welcome. Glo cooked up a gallon
of BS before she went to match in LA so there's plenty of everything.
Your call. Thanks for a great time and good Tex-Mex. Didn't know that
place existed and am glad to know. Satisfied the Texan in me and was
hot enuff for my Jawja soul.
Msg #7166 Dated 22:29:15 06-19-91 7161 <--> 7172
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Will bring necessary software. Will need a serial port though. Really
looking forward to seeing you.
Thanks for your advice on Nathan - I don't think we push him, although
I'm sure he picks up on our interest and enjoyment. Far as I'm
concerned, he only has one job, and that is to enjoy himself. Heck,
you're only 2-1/2 once. But Tabman can tell you, the kid does do a
couple of innovative coin tricks. He likes cards, but they are pretty
hard for him to handle - Dante Larsen made the breakthru when he
suggested coin magic.
On another note - he did attend his first baseball game this past
weekend. LOVED IT. It was a night game and he still managed to stay
awake through the whole thing. Things got exciting in the 7th inning
and he spent the 7th, 8th, and 9th standing on his chair. When the
Dodgers were at bat he would scream "HIT THAT BALL!" When the
Cardinals were up, he hit 'em with the worst threat known to 2-1/2 year
olds - "HIT THAT BALL AND YOU GO TO TIME OUT - RIGHT NOW!"
He also likes Pavarotti, Mehta, and Sesame Street - so I think he's OK.
Thanks for the suggestion on sections. See you soon!
Msg #7168 Dated 23:22:10 06-19-91 7138 <--> 7169
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: END OF...
I'd like to take credit, but I didn't snag IMP on purpose!
Msg #7169 Dated 23:22:51 06-19-91 7139 <--> 7170
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: END OF...
I feel the histamines in my body growing, my throat tightening.
Msg #7170 Dated 23:23:18 06-19-91 7151 <--> 7181
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: END OF...
Yes, but there are so many different spellings of "arrgghh," that I
wuldn't want to see the debate over the offical one -- would be too
ugly. Also, as there seems to be some discussion over the first mention of
"arrgghh" in magical literature, this would seem to be one to stay well
away from.
Msg #7171 Dated 23:25:04 06-19-91 7140 <--> 7189
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC!
Personal meaning _private_ messages? Curious...
Msg #7172 Dated 23:30:14 06-19-91 7166 <--> 7198
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
'Tis a pity that Nathan's one flaw should be that he is a Dodger's
fa
Msg #7174 Dated 23:33:03 06-19-91 7093 <--> 7175
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Heh?
Msg #7175 Dated 23:58:52 06-19-91 7105 <--> 7213
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Concerning the Magic Plumbers one of the
plumbers Dan Foote practically broke his back
and is in the hospital. They cancelled S.A.M.
as Dan is in the hospital now. He would love to
hear from some folks I'm sure (maybe a copy of
this thread oh mighty sysop)? but alas I have
no address here. Will try to post it manana or
you can try calling the castle.
Msg #7176 Dated 0:08:00 06-20-91
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW SUB
will forward the message.
Msg #7178 Dated 0:15:40 06-20-91 7011 <--> 7221
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
I will leave a copy at the front desk. You may
want to remind me Thursday so it's their
Friday. It's cheaper than postage and better
than an ol' photocopy.
Msg #7181 Dated 0:34:37 06-20-91 7086 <--> 7182
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: END OF...
Jeez - I think @#$!!+*&@ (read crap) would be good. Since people on
the BBS have started discussing the end msg and include an actual
picture of it (rather than just referring to it as you did) is really
screwing-up my downloads. I have since incorporated the waitforquiet
command to avoid the dowwnload problem. This doesn't solve the
function 5 problem tho.
.
Oh well that's computing.
Msg #7182 Dated 0:34:47 06-20-91 7098 <--> 7185
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: END OF...
Yea - trying to make everything automatic, sure cost me. I should
have known you guys would start a thread on the end msg. Last night
Evan got me and tonight you did (with msg 7102). I think I have now
solved it.
Msg #7183 Dated 0:34:54 06-20-91 7113 <--> 7184
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MAGIC
Er;7114
Got the FAX - will be there Fri the 5th. Just finished reading the
first year of Magic Menu. Really good stuff. I can see my magic
budget is blown. I've marked a lot of the books and routines and
have a lot of study ahead of me.
.
You are doing a great service to people like me who work almost
exclusively in bar and walk-around situations. I normally have to
plow through so much stuff to find things that are applicable to the
venue, you are saving me a great deal of time = $$$$. Thanks.
.
Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #7184 Dated 0:35:05 06-20-91 7128 <--> 7225
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC
Would it be possible to have the RC;* download function feed the
msgs in categories. This way a person could skip the chit-chat and
focus only on the categories they are interested in, while still
downloading ALL the msgs.
Msg #7185 Dated 0:35:11 06-20-91 7129 <--> 7186
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: END OF...
Yo right - I got bit agin. I'm off the brackets now for sure.
Msg #7186 Dated 0:35:15 06-20-91 7135 <--> 7187
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: END OF...
That's OK, Pete nailed me tonight. I couldn't believe you guys
having a discussion over the end msg AND PUTTING IN EXACTLY AS IT
APPEARS - aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh !!!!!!!
Msg #7187 Dated 0:35:20 06-20-91 7138 <--> 7188
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: END OF...
You must be using function 5 as well. If I modify IMP to not strip
the trailing stuff, the only effect is that the last msg will have
the extra system things in it.
.
Good to hear the BP caper is turning out OK, what a bummer !
.
Read about the tables you make in Magic Menu, we have to do some
business, I'll discuss with you at IBM, sounds like something I have
to have.
.
Did you put out the pyramid ??
.
If you havn't downloaded a new IMP, let me know and I'll bring you
a copy.
Msg #7189 Dated 0:35:39 06-20-91 7140 <--> 7200
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC!
Is it possible to make replies private - that way msgs would only
be between the combatants or computer-heads, and not clutter-up the
board with trivia. I could add it to IMP easily.
.
I could give the option for public or private just like the new E
function.
Msg #7190 Dated 0:35:46 06-20-91 7143 <--> 7694
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Welcome back, have been reading the new Amamr book - Thanks. I need
some titles and would just as soon contribute to MAGIC! in the
process. Do you have a new book list ?
Msg #7191 Dated 0:35:51 06-20-91 7159 <--> 7292
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Did you get my msg requesting 2 tickets for Monday's show. I need to
know so I can call my friends. Thanks in advance, see you next week.
Msg #7193 Dated 0:36:00 06-20-91 7102 <--> 7199
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: END OF...
Thank Pete - I did log-off, automatically - aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Msg #7194 Dated 1:29:25 06-20-91 7153 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ADDRESS
Pete Biro, 16 Los Banos Ct., Walnut Creek, CA 94598-3101 gets stuff
to me. Be sure to write account number on all checks!
Msg #7195 Dated 1:29:31 06-20-91 7155 <--> 7197
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91
Not much action today at PCAM91. (They asked me to join the board
o' Directors and become talent chairman) (Don't think I can do it).
This morning, before I got there (I didn't get a PRE Schedule) there
was a blindfold drive by Chuck Mignosa. I assume all went well, I
didn't see any tire marks on the front lawn of the Condord Hilton,
or any cracked walls! (Last time I was in on one we got arrested
for reckless driving).
Dealer room opened and the usual rush for NEW STUFF, wound up with
Mike Weber, myself and Max Maven at Byron Walker's stand looking at
OLDE BOOKS! I almost bought an old Willane book but told Byron to
hold (went home and I already had it). Weber bought it.
Much of the same old stuff, met Steven Minch and Louis Falagna, who
had their great now books on sale. Kevin James had his wild and
crazy stuff as well. It was nice to Jimmy Yoshida with his range
of magic from Japan. Many others, will detail in next reports.
From 8 to 10 pm there was a Dance Party. Only a couple of couples
danced. The girl singer on the bandstand was great. Never did hear
a girl singer I didn't like after a couple of drinks.
Spent a lot of time talking to Irene Larsen. Bill is selling a
poster of he and she for $6, or if autographed $5.
Asked Maven what he thought of the gathering and he said "Not bad,
but too many amateurs here!"
Late lecture (11 pm) was (my group) Petrick and Mia. They had thier
usual supply of original and clever stuff. One item I saw gave me
a killer idea of something new.
Mike Weber was in the hallway on the floor doing some card magic
that I couldn't follow at all. I felt like stepping on his fingers.
Time for bed. Got to get up at craque of dawn, contest show is at
9 amem. Maybe I should join this group and vote for nothing before
noon!!! G
Nite
Msg #7197 Dated 1:30:09 06-20-91 7158 <--> 7214
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91
Federal Express me your laptop and I will put the reports on the
hard drive. A KAPS LETTER WOULD BE A NICE REWARD.
Msg #7198 Dated 1:30:14 06-20-91 7161 <--> 7212
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
i KNEW YOU WERE GONE, but didn't know how far?
Msg #7199 Dated 1:30:18 06-20-91 7186 <--> 7205
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
I promise to never go it again, anymore, either, at all.
Msg #7200 Dated 1:30:22 06-20-91 7189 <--> 7209
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC!
Yikes... I thought if someone sent you a PRIVATE message and I
reply using R on IMP! the answer remained private. Tell me, yes or
no....garrhhhggg
Msg #7201 Dated 4:18:18 06-20-91 -> 7426
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
MAGIC!-NL Thu 20 Jun 91 01:38
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Well Max, it is not that I dismiss the problem. Indeed Rick
Johnson's theory points to a problem which can occur. This in itself
is a good thing. The problem I have is in the name, how we call this
problematic situation. To say that a trick can be "too perfect",
suggests to take a downward route. If it is too perfect it suggest
we should make it less perfect to make it perfect. I like to think
when the situation arises where the trick claims more than it can
prove we should see it as "not perfect yet", and that suggests
making it more perfect! His discussion, if I remember correct
analyses a certain type of problem. I just do not agree with the
solutions he offered.
Also I feel that to use the name "too perfect theory" is bad because
it can become ingrained in our system, and it might get blindly
accepted by some who do not think all that much. I think it is
rather negative. For Rick's theory ( without his suggested
solutions) we can just as easily give it the name "not perfect yet
theory". The problem he pinpointed undoubtly exists, it is a good
thing to be aware of it, certainly.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #7202 Dated 4:18:55 06-20-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
MAGIC!-NL Thu 20 Jun 91 01:56
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Yes, sushi..without the rice!(shashimi ?). See you in Lausanne Pete!
I can hardly wait till we are there. ---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #7206 Dated 7:20:39 06-20-91 7182 <--> 7207
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
Yes, David Van Vranken came up with a good "fix" with that one! Also
will work, I presume, if the line got cut off.
I'm trying to think of a magical effect that could be done with either
MAGIC! or IMP. For example, suppose that the next time we renumber
messages we figure a way to get one in that has a card prediction in
it. Then you could force a card, sign on from anywhere and display the
choice. Similar to the "telephone trick" but always available.
Msg #7207 Dated 7:26:38 06-20-91 7186 <--> 7208
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
We have the same kind of problem in our training products. Sometimes
there are commands that you simply can't allow the user to perform. It
took us 3 years of work to develop the right wording to identify the
command and yet to keep 98% of the people from reading it and doing it
anyway. Hardest part of our system to design.
When Tabby was physically in L.A. we had a discussion with Len Reid
about giving directions to spectators. He uses a combination of verbal
instructions and some carefully planned hand moves to que a spectator
to perform the moves he wants them to. Other magi have capitalized on
doing just the reverse - deliberately confusing the spectator as a form
of "humor."
Msg #7209 Dated 7:36:47 06-20-91 7171 <--> 7210
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC!
Yes, personal meaning private. There is a little schizophrenia over
how the term is used here on MAGIC! As you know, in the beginning
screen we clearly state that there are no "private" functions on the
system - so I refer to messages which can only be seen by the sender,
the addressee, and operations personnel as "personal." But I'm not
sure that people don't think that "personal" means the kind that are
public but that are addressed to a specific individual.
You're a pro with a lot of words in your toolbox, maybe you can help me
figure it out?
Msg #7210 Dated 7:40:02 06-20-91 7189 <--> 7211
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC!
Now that you have it in E, I'll check with programming about changing
ER and EA to include it. Will let you know. It's a good suggestion.
Msg #7211 Dated 7:41:11 06-20-91 7200 <--> 7247
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC!
Yes, if someone sends you a private message, your reply is
automatically private - IF you reply rather than start a new thread.
What Jerry is suggesting is that there be a way to make a reply private
even when the original message was public. That way we could cut down
on the computer related messages. Someone could post a question in
public and the answers could be made private. It's a good idea.
Msg #7212 Dated 7:43:41 06-20-91 7172 <--> 7226
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
I cheated and set him up. For the time being, it is better that he
should root for a home team. Unless, of course, you want to pay his
airline fare to attend out-of-town games.
Msg #7213 Dated 7:48:11 06-20-91 7175 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: CLOSING MESSAGE
Thanks for the info, Dante. Sorry to hear about Dan Foote. If you
find the address, please post it so that folks can send him cards.
Msg #7214 Dated 7:54:25 06-20-91 7197 <--> 7217
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91
Thanks - think I'll move reports to my laptop (laptop? Geez, I never
had one before!) via a link into MAGIC! Yes, will work on Kaps letter,
but I think I also need to get the lecture notes ready for IBM, get a
couple of my paying projects worked on, purge some messages from
MAGIC!, etc., etc.
Msg #7216 Dated 8:09:30 06-20-91 7187 <--> 7246
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
Have done two pyramids so far and not satisfied with either - my 1st
such objects de magart - but will let you know when a good one is
ready. I haven't sownloaded the new IMP! and will appreciate a disk
if you think of it when you come over this way. Do you want me to
bring you the PC+ pkg you mailed over for me to look at to the IBM
or mail it back to you when you get back to the left coast?
Msg #7217 Dated 8:09:39 06-20-91 7195 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91
Ahhh, Byron Walker's stand. That's where you'd of found me too would
imagine looking for something good and old. Which Willaine book were
you looking at? Charlie brought me the new Darwin Ortiz Annotated
Erdnase book and it looks good. Darwin is a "local" in DC as well.
I'll have to try to make it to PCAM next year; have always wanted to
attend. I wooden mind locating in sunny California at some point.
Only thing that worries me is the water situation out there as I get
thirsty from time to time. Looking 4ward to the next PCAM update.
Zounds like you're having a good time. Me too, thanx 2 U.
Msg #7221 Dated 10:29:23 06-20-91 7178 <--> 7222
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
Fri at Castle front desk would be great. Thanks much.
Msg #7222 Dated 10:36:48 06-20-91 7178 <--> 7242
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
My answer should read: Fri NOON at Castle front desk in great. Thanks
again.
Msg #7224 Dated 10:52:11 06-20-91 -> 7227
From: MARVIN STERN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABLE
Just read about your tables in Busby's newsletter. Sounds great.
Good luck with this project and hope you make a million.
Msg #7225 Dated 11:10:29 06-20-91 7141 <--> 7228
From: MARVIN STERN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC
Hopefully David with correct this situation. At first he didn't seem
too interested, but seems like he might have mellowed on this, at least
a little.
I have noticed, and was going to mention it to the sysop, that it was
apparent that certain people who were very active on the board, all of
a sudden were not heard from much, this happening after the computer
talk took over. You, for one, were one.
Sold all the force decks yet? I don't want any, just wanted to
know. Just curious.
Msg #7226 Dated 11:18:01 06-20-91 7172 <--> 7233
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Come on Evan. I've always stuck up for you, regardless of what the
other guys, said about you, but to pick on the Dodgers....
Actually I've been a season ticket holder for from the beginning,
having seats in aisle 2, right behind home plate, and don't really care
if you knock the Dodgers. BUT if you really want to have your hands
full, I'll sic my wife on you..she loves the Dodgers and hates
Pick-a-card.
Msg #7227 Dated 13:35:46 06-20-91 7224 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: TABLE
Thanks Marvin, for the good wishes. I find that it's something
that I enjoy doing, though I'm working against a backlog right now.
Thing that scares me is having to make a million (tables, that is).
I'm trying to convince Gloria to quit her job and come home and be
my boss. She was in the office all day Monday and I covered a lot
of ground that day. Music biz is a lot of waiting for a call but
somebody has to be there. I could use a nice quiet champion wood
crafter to help out in the shop too. I had a guy, but he got lost.
Anyway, thanks for the good wishes.
Msg #7228 Dated 17:29:21 06-20-91 7225 <--> 7231
From: STAN LAKE
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC
No I haven't sold all of the force decks yet. I was pretty amazed at
the Castle swap meet when quite a few people asked me what a force deck
was. If you don't know what a force deck is, what are you doing here?
My wife was kind enough to sit at a table and sell them while I was
spending our money elsewhere at the swapmeet. I should have shown her
one or two easy tricks she could demo for people. I'll just barter the
rest for books and goodies at the nearby magic shops. It's a good deal
for both of us.
Msg #7230 Dated 18:21:10 06-20-91 -> 7234
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: WOODY
Don't miss the excellent section on Woody Allen's
boyhood (and current) interest in magic, pp. 48-56 of
the new biography, WOODY ALLEN, by Eric Lax. Great
stuff, especially the story about being out-cardtricked
by Milton Berle.
Msg #7231 Dated 18:44:45 06-20-91 7183 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC
Thanks for the kind words. Looking forward to meeting you.
Msg #7233 Dated 20:05:52 06-20-91 7226 <--> 7237
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Marvin -
Have you ever thought of doing a card stab with a small pick? You
could hand it to her and say, "Here, Dear, Pick a card!"
Msg #7234 Dated 20:07:17 06-20-91 7230 <--> 7257
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: WOODY
Very interesting! Guess it would be pretty surreal to see Woody Allen
say "Pick a card." Thanks for spotting the item for everyone.
Msg #7235 Dated 20:42:07 06-20-91
From: WALTER LOUGHNEY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM CONVENTION
Thanks for idea Pete, I have left msg for Bill Wells
Msg #7237 Dated 20:47:00 06-20-91 7226 <--> 7253
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
I still haven't forgiven the Dodgers for abandoning Brooklyn.
'W.
Msg #7239 Dated 20:46:17 06-20-91
From: WALTER LOUGHNEY
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM 91
Bill, I am looking for someone to share a room with in Baltimore.
I have a reservation, but if I can find someone to split a room
with I figure we each could have $200-300 more to spend in the
dealers room. If you know of anyone who may be interested they can
contact me via my office at 1-800-771-4345 or 305-724-4346. They can
leave a message and I will call them back. (or of course they can
leave a message here on MAGIC! and I will reply)
Any help in this area would be most appreciated. Thanks.
Msg #7242 Dated 22:16:29 06-20-91 7221 <--> 7297
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
It's at the front desk.
Msg #7246 Dated 0:01:52 06-21-91 7216 <--> 7248
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: END OF...
If you aren't using the PC+ stuff just UPS it back, I'll have a ton
of stuff with me. Send to 10471 S. Brookhurst St. Anaheim, CA 92804
.
I do want to bring the crystal back even if the box isn't ready.
.
Wanted to comment on the card effect you submitted to Magic Menu.
I really liked the concept, may be able to work it into the pyramid
schtick. You mentioned using a pull for a vanish - what type would
you recommend? I was thinking of burning the pieces as an offering to
the gods (or some such nonsense) and then having the card restored
reversed in the deck. Great idea - should be very powerful.
Msg #7247 Dated 0:02:02 06-21-91 7200 <--> 7252
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC!
Yes, if you reply to a private msg the answer is also private.
That is a function of the BBS not IMP. What I was suggesting is that
you could reply to a public msg, with a private answer. That way
computer or BS comments would not appear in the public threads.
.
Right now you could effect the same thing by using the E function
to respond to a specific persons comment and make it private. The
only problem is that it isn't really part of the thread you were
reading when the reply was generated.
.
Don't panic Pete, only David can see your private replies - IMP can't
override the system.
Msg #7249 Dated 0:02:26 06-21-91 7206 <--> 7250
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: END OF...
It would be possible to create a 'dummy' msg with the answer in it,
and by hitting a SPECIAL key, IMP could make the dummy APPEAR to be
the next msg in any thread you happen to be reading.
.
E.g. in your original msg 7206 it points forward to 7207 which would
normally be displayed when you hit the right arrow. By having a
special function (e.g. the plus right next to the right-arrow) you
could APPEAR to be hitting the right-arrow, but really hit the +.
Imp would then display your dummy message as msg # 7207 IN EXACTLY
THE SAME format as a regular MAGIC! msg. I f you really wanted to get
tricky you could have a modified input file with some REAL and some
modified threads, and by using the SPECIAL key you could make the
prediction APPEAR in any thread you want it to.
.
You could be showing someone how the BBS works and then have them
'select' a card, and then use F to go to a particuliar thread and
by walking through it have it reveal the correct card. Could be
interesting given the right set-up.
.
Similiar to P&T's television tape trick.
Msg #7250 Dated 0:02:42 06-21-91 7207 <--> 7256
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: END OF...
I know what you mean by using confusion as a means of 'humor' - I hat
e that - makes the volunteer appear foolish as well as takes the
audience off the main effect.
.
Len's approach is much preferred.
.
Let me know what you want me to do regarding function 5 and the end
msg. No matter what we choose, someone will screw-up F5. My current
thinking is to just leave any system stuff in the last msg. Perhaps
through carefully crafted ASX files we can minimize the amount of
non-msg stuff that gets thru.
Msg #7252 Dated 0:08:19 06-21-91 7209 <--> 7258
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC!
My initial reaction to "personal" is that it is not specifically
private. "Personal," however, sounds a lot less forbiding than
"Private." But since the board itself has established the terminology
by prompting "Private Y or N," I think you are stuck with referring to
private messages as such.
This is my opinion. Names and terms have been changed to protect
the innocent.
Msg #7253 Dated 0:13:34 06-21-91 7212 <--> 7254
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Am seriously stuck myself with the Dodger thing. Hate the team -- too
squeaky clean for my taste -- but have lost touch with former hometeam
-- Mets. They're a different team than when I was into 'em. Angels,
do I hear you calling? Nah.... DH rule bums my head.
Msg #7254 Dated 0:14:41 06-21-91 7226 <--> 7255
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Are you originally from back East, Marvin? If you were, I'm wondering
why you don't hate the Dodgers for betraying their hometown!
Msg #7255 Dated 0:15:21 06-21-91 7233 <--> 7279
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
This pun burned a hole in my monitor. Thank you for this indigestion.
Msg #7256 Dated 0:17:13 06-21-91 7206 <--> 7268
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: END OF...
Buena idea!
Msg #7258 Dated 0:21:39 06-21-91 7211 <--> 7275
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC!
You really think it's a good idea? I have mixed feelings... Yes, the
volume of messages is getting hard to handle, but making ALL responses
to messages automatically private -- seems like it'd kill the
discourse... Of course, I may be misunderstanding... Everyone can, I'm
sure they realize, edit their replies to make them private. Are you
just referring to computer messages, for instance?
Msg #7264 Dated 1:57:09 06-21-91 -> 7270
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PCAM DAY 2
Day two at PCAM91 Concord, Calif. Arrrghhhhh. After hitting the
Lilly Whites (apologies to Al, Jazzbo, Collins) at 1:30 ayem, had
to be back to see the stage contests that began at 9 ayem.
Yarrgh.
I will summarize first. I should have slept longer. Not that
there wasn't SOME good... but the overall level was pretty lean.
OK, it's not the Desert Seminar or the IBM Gold Medal... but when
the TOP ACT (IN MY HUMBLE OPINION) (IMHO to those that know) did
not even qualify for the last Seminar...
To protect the innocent (altho I took copious notes) it is
best I not mention names. I am sure they will get better.
A young couple (teen-aged) did a complete rip off of
Goldfinger and Dove's "Cherchez la Femme" -- hopefully they will
soon realize it and stop.
One gentleman, named Zimmerman, was a riot as a nutty
professor with a huge batch of apparatus on stage (tesla coil,
etc.) ala Dr. Frankenstein, with psuedo scientific BS (patter)
showed that anything placed onto his machine would get smaller.
Great Premise. He did mostly variations on the Gozinta Box. Some
clever odd sized boxes and closed with a FAT Barbie Doll, losing
weight! Said, "with this application I might make some money!"
A couple of fairly hip looking young guys showed they are
interested in breaking the mold, but content and magical
knowledge have a long way to go. One had a "headset-type"
microphone and sang during the act, but the taped background
music suggested even the voice was (it would have been easier if
it really was).
I came up with a new GENRE. Jarrett used to call touring
pro's like Thurston, et al, "Drugstore Magicians"... I have
coined "Garage Magicians". They buy Illusions, set them up in
their garages and learn to operate them. Then they come to
contests and operate them with their wives and children dragging
themselves onstage, into and out of the boxes.
I guess it beats drug addiction.
Was nothing original seen, really. Oh, there was a lady
named Turly Lorraine, that did a nice routine like a thief
entering a boudior producing jewelry, etc. and then leaving like
a thief with the booty. She was probably the BEST "performer" of
the sixteen entrants on the show and had the nicest stage
setting.
Someone said Wagga Wagga Booga Booga for magic words, David!
Bob Steiner, former Prez. of the SAM did a headline
prediction, with newspaper and TV press in attendance. He nearly
missed, as the guy that originally placed the prediction into the
sealed bag, that was in a mayonaisse jar, that was within a block
of plaster, that was in a milk carton, stated, when asked if that
was the packet he put in some weeks ago, "NO IT DOESN'T LOOK THE
SAME!" (Bad break, it was in fact the same in appearance, it was
just the guy didn't remember). Steiner got around it saying, "No,
sir it is the same, we have a video tape of what went in, and if
you want we can play it!"
It all came out OK in the end, but didn't quite have the
credibility owing to that statement and the number of persons up
there helping to "open" the works. Too many places where the
switch, or something suspicious could take place.
(continued)
Msg #7265 Dated 1:58:25 06-21-91 -> 7282
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MORE DAY 2
MORE PCAM91 DAY TWO... YAWN, IT IS AGAIN 1:30 AYEM...
The headline prediction ended about 12:30 in the afternoon and
the next scheduled event was the Kevin James Lecture at 4:00 pm.
My one criticism is starting at nine ayem and having late
lectures starting at 11:00 pm with FOUR HOURS DEAD TIME IN THE
MIDDLE is a little tough on the sleeping time.
James presented his classic stuff, Flipstick variants and
his coin in bottle work, the floating Rose (as seen on the
Copperfield Special) plus nice adds to the Torn/Rest newspaper,
where you restore a dropped piece off the floor. A real fooler.
Weird story on the Copperfield use of the Rose. Kevin had given
D.C. a year exclusive. But the year had passed before D.C. had
done it and the time had expired. He then did it, but in the
meantime Kevin was booked to do it on the Tonight Show. Somehow
someone at a network put a stop to Kevin's performance. Word is
Copperfield himself didn't have anything to do with it. Too bad
there was some confusion there... but...
From 7 to 8:30 the Close up guys worked... and did they
work.
Our room started with Alan Watson from New Zealand opening
with Chop Cup and did some pleasant card work and coin in bottle.
Surprise was appearance of his 13 year old daughter Nicole with
bangle/cord and card work.
She was a real charmer!
Malcolm Foster followed with good presentation and excellent
card work. Petrick, of Petrick and Mia fame performed his amazing
Straw through Playing card (I still don't know how its done) and
linked small cardboard rings in a most convincing manner.
Tom Ogden, who I only knew as a stage worker did a very
funny set getting tons of laughs with his asides and the magic
was good too. He got a lot out of reacting to the applause and
laughs coming through the walls from the next room where Chuck
Fayne was working. Between sets, when Ogden left and before Fayne
came in, I told the audience to sit without any reaction to
Fayne. A few didn't go along with it and the gag didn't work.
When someone later told Fayne he loved it and wished it had
worked! Hey, that's what conventions are for, to play gags on
each other and have a great time, right!
The last to work our room was one of my favorite guys, Mike
Weber. He was TOTALLY original, funny and fooled the crap out of
all of us with everything. His routine with the "odd missing, or
was it added" sock in the dirty laundry was hilarious. His card
work baffling and the closing three shell game with Macadamia
nuts blew them all out... Wowzo... booked on the spot for 92 IBM
(along with Doc Eason who confirmed yesterday!!)
Eugene Burger presented his SPIRIT THEATER SEANCE from 7:00
to 8:30 and again from 9:00 to 10:30 (the one we watched). His
approach is very theater, his believability 100-percent and his
likeable factor 100-percent (which is what I say counts most
anyway). Burger proved that its not what you do but how... to the
limit. He stated, "A seance is NOT a magic show" and proved why
it shouldn't be. Anecdotes, setting, all top ho!
Dealer room gossip. Steinmeyer, Caveney, John Gaughan all
pretty upset -- AN I DON'T BLAME THEM -- about a dealer (will
get his name tomorrow) that not only was ripping off people like
Steinmeyer and Gaughan, and Harbin, etc., but had a very strong
"action will be taken against anyone doing these tricks listed
without a licence from me, etc. etc." will be prosocuted. AND THE
TRICKS WERE OTHER PEOPLES HE HAD RIPPED OFF!
Immagine here on the next line the Largest Arrgh of all
time!
Gettin'late, bed time, adios amigos! And IBMs and MACs...
(now it is almost 2 ayem, arrrggghhhh--zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Msg #7267 Dated 6:50:51 06-21-91 -> 7298
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: TIME
Gee, funny, I filed a report at 2 ayem and here I am up and at it at
0645 and no responses!!! Is everyone asleep? Do I have insomnia? No.
Yes. Does anybody care? No. Yes.
The quiz is over, got to run. And yes the invoice was not paid to me
yet. The accounting dept. discoverd a 33 cent error in adding up my
expenses (the amount on meals was wrong) so they need to be
"re-billed". With all those people checking bills, can't they just mark
out the number and put in the right one? Arrrggghhhhh.
Over, down and out!
Msg #7268 Dated 8:14:01 06-21-91 7246 <--> 7272
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
I built a wooden mockup of the crystal first thing so I have it to wo
rk with. Will bring the crystal to IBM and ship the PC+ back to you
simipronto. I made a pull up using a med sized crisscross paper clip
and some black elastic with a safty pin on one end and about a foot
of monofiliment on the clip end. I used it in my coat sleeve until
it got caught on a button one day. After that I pinned it inside my c
oat at the back. I tried burning the cards and they're tough to burn
unless you use charcoal lighter -F-. You could wrap them in a paper
square and switch for a flashpaper bundle though. See you NW.
Msg #7270 Dated 8:14:23 06-21-91 7264 <--> 7271
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 2
Sorry I wasn't up earlier to letcha know how much I appreciate the
detailed PCAM stuff (it's almost like being there - well sorta) but
was working late last night and had to catch up on the Zzzzzzs. Am
hoping you'll be able to tip us on the dealer who is doing all the
ripping off of everybody's stuff. The one area of magic that I find
abhorant......
Does PCAM run through the weekend? Seems a little disorganized to
have that four hours of dead time after the contest, but maybe most
people are at the hotel and can catch a nap. What do you think a
decent starting time for the daily events? Any word on when Jin
(read JIM) Steinmeyer's Illusions book will be out? Should be about
now, right? Anyway, gotta get back at it, but wanted to say thanks
the great writing and indepth reportage...See you in a few...
Msg #7271 Dated 8:14:36 06-21-91 7264 <--> 7276
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 2
Also, like the "Garage Magician" terminology. It's been used in the
rock band scene for years (but you knew that) and is probably the
best descriptive going...
Msg #7273 Dated 8:37:07 06-21-91 7249 <--> 7274
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
That is a very interesting effect! I can just see what is going to
happen when someone has Marvin's wife pick a card and then starts
showing her MAGIC! and the card is identified in a message from another
magician! That gets in two of her favorite things - pick a card tricks
and computers! We'll have to work on this one!
Msg #7274 Dated 8:40:38 06-21-91 7250 <--> 7285
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
I too dislike using a specatator as a foil or making them appear
stupid. I think it is a very cheap performance method. The spectator
is a "committee" from the audience and when you make them look stupid
you are, in effect, telling the whole audience that you think they are
stupid. Not generally considered a way to make friends and influence
people!
I think your F5 idea is the best one.
Msg #7275 Dated 8:45:27 06-21-91 7252 <--> 7278
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC!
As long as the notice on the sign-on screen remains valid we are OK.
And yes, "Personal" is subject to some confusion - otherwise I would
have changed the "Private Y or N" prompt.
Msg #7276 Dated 8:48:21 06-21-91 7270 <--> 7277
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 2
Steinmeyer and books are here. Byron hasem.
Msg #7277 Dated 8:48:46 06-21-91 7271 <--> 7427
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 2
YO Garage it is. I liked Drugstore Magi, but it wasn't my line.
Msg #7278 Dated 8:47:10 06-21-91 7258 <--> 7295
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC!
YES! I was only refering to computer related messages! NOT other
messages. The goal is to keep the focus of MAGIC! on MAGIC. The idea
was that if someone has a computer related question they ask it in
public so that anyone who can answer can help them - but the answers
should be private so that we don't clutter the board with computer
related items.
Msg #7279 Dated 8:52:01 06-21-91 7255 <--> 7286
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
I was being serious! I like "proppy" close-up - why not use a pick for
"Pick a card?" Maybe one of those cocktail stirrer type picks, unless
there would be too much tendancy for it to snap.
Someone at the Castle about a year ago did a very nice card stab in
which he covered a carelessly spread around deck with a newspaper and
then stabbed thru it. It was a nice effect. If you used a "Stan Lake"
force deck, you could easily let the spectator stab a card that way.
Msg #7281 Dated 9:04:24 06-21-91 -> 7313
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: TABMAN PHONE
I'm having my 800 number changed (it was too close to several insurance
company lines and I got tired of talking insurance) but it will take
maybe 30 days to get a new ##, sooooooooo call me at (301)-884-8484 if
you need me and I'll post new ## when it's turned on.
Msg #7282 Dated 9:06:50 06-21-91 7265 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE DAY 2
Wow! GREAT report, Pete. THANK YOU! Looking forward to the rest!
Msg #7283 Dated 9:08:29 06-21-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MISSING SYSOP
In case anyone notes my absence for about 48 hours starting this
afternoon, I won't be here.
Msg #7285 Dated 9:27:12 06-21-91 7246 <--> 7301
From: JIM SISTI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
If I can put two cents in here, the best pull for something like that
(if you're not handy with making things. . .I'm not!) is the Vernet
Universal Pull which will do coins, pieces of cards. . just about
anything.
Msg #7286 Dated 9:27:23 06-21-91 7279 <--> 7291
From: JIM SISTI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Perhaps you'd be interested in an idea from Issue #1. The spectator
is asked to pick a card. As he attempts to comply, you pull the deck
away and say, "No, no. . ."pick" a card." With this you hand him a
guitar pick and ask him to insert it anywhere into the deck. After
this is done, he is asked to remember the card under the pick. You
secretly have a matching pick finger palmed in the right hand at this
point. You split the deck where he placed the pick as he retains the
pick and you load the hidden pick under the top half of the deck. He
looks at the card and replaces it in the same spot. You then replace
the top half of the deck, secretly placing the pick on the selection.
All that remains is for you to vanish the open pick using any number
of standard coin vanishes (French Drop, standard retention vanish,
etc. They all work great with a guitar pick! The pick is then shows
n to have magically transported itself into the deck and onto the
chosen card.
Msg #7287 Dated 10:04:53 06-21-91 -> 7288
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Native bbq? What other kinds of road kill besides the raccoon you
got the other night?
BTW - I need to get some directions to the Hotel DeCarlo sometime
in the next week.
Msg #7288 Dated 10:05:08 06-21-91 -> 7303
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Is that how marinated squirrel ended up being the secret ingredient
in the fabulous BS?
Msg #7289 Dated 10:05:18 06-21-91 7032 <--> 7290
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
You know...one might envision the Loin, Strawman, and Tinman off to
the Emerald City in that message...but where was Dot and the dog?
As for bbq at the IBM banquet...color it a $25 plate of sauce
covered chicken with a fancy name. If you know a good bbq place in
Ballimar, we can all go there instead of the banquet. Failing that,
howzabout a crab cake. They do 'em right up there...just the cake
on a soda cracker.
Msg #7290 Dated 10:05:36 06-21-91 7101 <--> 7294
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Nope...you read it wrong...Scotty isn't using something of yours, he
is using YOU! and the column heading as the patter theme for an
effect...you would like it. I don't know if he ever read further
than the heading.
Msg #7291 Dated 10:05:49 06-21-91 7166 <--> 7293
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
I will not only leave the serial port, but will also leave the
cable and modem attached. Want a joystick and some games jest in
case?
Please don't take Nathan to an Orioles game...they are having
trouble enuff without the "time out" curse (that is a GREAT story).
If he is into coins, then change my advice to having him work on the
Tenkai pinch and the Ramsay coins and cylinder in silver dollar size.
The classic to classic switch would also be good.
Msg #7292 Dated 10:06:09 06-21-91 7191 <--> 7335
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Yes...I got the message and have made a note to set the tickets aside
howsomever, answer me this: Would you like them in the layman seats
in the front two rows or sitting in the back where you might be able
to sit with them? Call your friends...they definitely will have
seats.
Msg #7293 Dated 10:06:24 06-21-91 7198 <--> 7296
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
jest somewhere near the edge, where I usually am...
Msg #7294 Dated 10:06:33 06-21-91 7120 <--> 7304
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Those were never like the real light bulb but were large because
they used the European size "small" light bulbs rather than the
USA refrig style. These are the real thing...or should I have said
the REEL thing?
Msg #7295 Dated 10:06:42 06-21-91 7140 <--> 7436
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC!
If computer talk really bothers people then I could see that being
justification for a separate conference. Just please don't hide
nonpersonal stuff in private messages 'cause the rest of us won't
be able to see it.
Msg #7296 Dated 10:25:19 06-21-91 7237 <--> 7299
From: MARVIN STERN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
HALLELIJAH. Glad to see that you and Evan finially agree on something.
Msg #7297 Dated 10:27:11 06-21-91 7242 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: J.S. BERRY
Thanks, again.
Msg #7298 Dated 10:27:44 06-21-91 7267 <--> 7320
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIME
Pete...just carry a lap-top with you...along with a cellular
modem...and, most importantly....keep typing!!!
'W.
Msg #7299 Dated 10:27:36 06-21-91 7254 <--> 7302
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Sent this same message to Wayne:
HALLELIJAH. Glad to see that you and Wayne finially agree on something.
Actually I am a native of Los Angeles. Have been to NY, and must say
I'm always glad to get back to LA. (not saying anything bad about NY).
Don't want to start that thing going.
Msg #7301 Dated 10:36:29 06-21-91 7285 <--> 7332
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: END OF...
The Vernet Univ Puller sounds great, Jim. I used to "invent" pulls
to do all sorts of stuff. Hint: don't use a cig pull in the sleeve of
a Levi jacket unless the buttons are unbuttoned. I had everybody in
my band fooled for years with "my" vanishing cig until one nite at
breakfast after a gig I let one zip and the old P&L cig pull hung on
the button and was left dangling under my wrist. I think they were
even pretty amazeed by that strange contrivance hanging there. I just
pulled the cig out and kept puffing and NEVER tried it with a jean
jacket again.
Msg #7302 Dated 10:36:39 06-21-91 7286 <--> 7305
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Hey, another good musician trick for sure. I like it.
Msg #7303 Dated 10:36:43 06-21-91 7287 <--> 7317
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Will fax directions to home fax catcher sometime soon!!
Msg #7304 Dated 10:36:47 06-21-91 7289 <--> 7306
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SAT.
Baltimore is know for lotz of things, but I don't think BBQ is one of
em. I'd bet, though, that there is a good rib joint somewhere around
there that we could HIT. Will check.
Msg #7305 Dated 10:36:54 06-21-91 7291 <--> 7310
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
You know, actually, Nathan could probably get into doing the stack
o' quarters. Maybe he could make up a stack of pennies at his micro
lathe and turnem into dimes.
Msg #7306 Dated 10:37:00 06-21-91 7294 <--> 7318
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
The "new" Scotty York Light Bulb is good and also refreshable and
muy bright.
Msg #7309 Dated 10:53:17 06-21-91
From: MARVIN STERN
To: ALL
Re: WHO?
Mid July we're taking a cruise out of England, and the magician
is Dawson Chance. Anyone know him?
Msg #7310 Dated 11:46:21 06-21-91 7279 <--> 7311
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
I am afraid to give spectator's weapons.
Msg #7311 Dated 11:47:56 06-21-91 7299 <--> 7316
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Actually, Wayne and I agreed on many things until we disagreed... It
is, however, nice to agree on such an egregious affront as the vile
Dodgers.
Msg #7313 Dated 11:50:13 06-21-91 7281 <--> 7322
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN PHONE
Before you get the number changed -- I need a quote on my 1987 Volvo,
collision and comp, 75/100 limits.
Msg #7316 Dated 12:21:30 06-21-91 7291 <--> 7431
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
What the heck is a serial Port? I only ask that because Bill Smith,
Mike Caveney and John Gaughan are looking over my shoulder and I don't
want to appear smarter than they are!!
No votes for Rebo here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #7317 Dated 12:24:16 06-21-91 7303 <--> 7324
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Just leave a trail of broken hearts!!!
Msg #7318 Dated 12:25:05 06-21-91 7294 <--> 7435
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SAT.
I have both sizes (don't all nutcase collectors have one of all!)
Msg #7320 Dated 12:25:57 06-21-91 7298 <--> 7326
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TIME
Ben Wallace just sent a message (actually it was during Eugene Burger's
seance) and said DO NOT USE STEEL WOOL ON ANY OF THE STUFF!!!!!
Msg #7322 Dated 12:44:19 06-21-91 7313 <--> 7344
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TABMAN PHONE
I'm sorry but we no longer provide coverage for writers or Volvos.
Call Katz Insurance.
Msg #7324 Dated 12:44:30 06-21-91 7317 <--> 7349
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Unfortunately for each broken heart on the trail a chunk of myne
stayed behind, well sometimes it was part of a different part of myne
body!!
Msg #7326 Dated 15:09:03 06-21-91 7320 <--> 7343
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIME
Too late, Pete! The Formby's instructions specifically CALL for steel
wool!
'W.
Msg #7328 Dated 17:27:56 06-21-91
From: DAVID SACKS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC BOOKS
hi stan....
i don't know if you ever called. we have a lady who minds the kids and
sge speaks little english, so if you called and left a message i just
never got it. in addition, as you can tell from the date of this
message i haven't been on the bbs for some time. oh well, hope to here
from you in the near future. talk to you later.
david
Msg #7330 Dated 17:57:47 06-21-91 7103 <-
From: MIKE ORKIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAKING ONE'S OWN SPECIAL
Thank you, I hadn't thought of adding a wetting agent to the paint (I
should of as I was trained as a chemist and used to make soaps and
toilet cleaners and shampoo 3000 gallons at a time.) I had tried a
Sharpie marker but it seemed too wide - I'll try carving the tip down
with an X-acto knife. Thanks Again.
Msg #7332 Dated 19:33:10 06-21-91 7273 <--> 7333
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: END OF...
I'll add a module to key off the + sign and fill in the appropriate
numbers. The DUMMY msg will be named DUMMY.MSG and I'll just look
for it when ever IMP is started. While reading threads any time
you hit + you will get the DUMMY as though it were the next msg in
the thread. Should be easy to do.
Msg #7333 Dated 19:33:17 06-21-91 7285 <--> 7341
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: END OF...
I have a vernet pull and will consider using it. Was just wondering
what Tabby was using. I would like to keep it as a sleeve pull and
get it into position while I'm taking care of business behind my back
- the vernet is a bit large, but I'll experiment with it. That is one
card trick I'll probably start doing. I love the concept - the initl
revelation falls a bit flat (with all the work already done) then a
miracle, in plain sight.
Msg #7335 Dated 19:33:31 06-21-91 7292 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Thanks Bill - probably best to have them with me, although they might
like up front. I'll call them and let you know.
Msg #7336 Dated 19:33:36 06-21-91 -> 7340
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: WHO WHO ??
n
Just got a flyer from Cal State Fullerton. They are offering a
certificate course 'MAGIC: The Performance Art " consisting of 45
hours of instruction.
.
Section 1: Techniques of Close-up Magic Sept 4 - Oct 2,
Section 2: Techniques of Advanced Close-up and Beginning Stand-up
Magic Oct 9 - Nov 6,
Section 3: Techniques of Advanced Close-up Magic and Showmanship,
Nov 23 - Dec 18.
.
It will be taught by David Thorsen, assisted by Don Schweitzer.
.
Anyone know these guys ???????
Msg #7339 Dated 22:01:50 06-21-91 -> 7342
From: WILL HENDERSON
To: ALL
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Greetings all-I am new to this bulletin board being a magic
student/hobbyist. I was into magic as a youngster and then got
side-tracked in later life, and am now re-discovering the fun. I
remember very fondly taking the bus up to Hollywood Bl. to visit Joe
Berg's magic studio which was upstairs off the boulevard. I am curious
as to the current whereabouts of Joe Berg, can anybody fill me in? I
was also a member of son Ronnie Berg's "Young Sorcerer's Club". Bert
Wheeler's magic shop was also down the block in those days and "Uncle"
so and so would magically take me for every penny I had, with every
visit! Poof, it's gone!
Msg #7340 Dated 22:23:25 06-21-91 7336 <--> 7442
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHO WHO ??
Looks like they're equating advanced CU as a prereq for stage magic
which doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. You get all the perfor-
mance value while hidden behind a table and then emerge into full
view only after you've gotten the other part down. Interesting!
Msg #7341 Dated 22:23:32 06-21-91 7333 <--> 7430
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
Jerry, I've got another pull you might like. It's made of an
alligator clip; the kind at radio shack with the plastic sleeve
so it won't catch on your sleeve. It's a little awkward to open, but
it's compact and WILL fit up your sleeve if you don't wear a spandex
coat. You can put the pieces in your hand ala thimb and let fly while
Herman and Henrietta are looking for the thing on your other hand.
Attach it to the monofillament using a snap swivel from the tackle
box. Attach the mono to snap using a hangman or fisherman knot. Also
good for pulling mugger's eyelids off.
Msg #7342 Dated 0:36:26 06-22-91 7339 <--> 7351
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: WILL HENDERSON (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Welcome, Will.
Joe Berg passed away a number of years ago.
Bert Wheeler's Magic Shop is still there, but now called Hollywood
Magic and owned by Louis St. Pierre.
Do you still live in Los Angeles?
'Wayne.
Msg #7343 Dated 1:21:39 06-22-91 7267 <--> 7352
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIME
Thank you for the in-depth of the convention.
Now I don't have to wait for the review in
Genii! Would be interested in the dealers name.
Is he from Sacramento? Card is bheing ordered
and will be out in a few weeks. OR LESS! Thanks
for the renewal also.
Msg #7344 Dated 1:26:34 06-22-91 7322 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN PHONE
Katz Insurance no post phone number on BBS.
Msg #7347 Dated 1:42:22 06-22-91
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DEALER
Who was the dealer?
Msg #7349 Dated 2:21:21 06-22-91 7324 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SI! MAGIC IN PUERTO VALLA
Sounds like you picked up on my cue to write a song.
Msg #7351 Dated 2:21:31 06-22-91 7339 <--> 7357
From: PETE BIRO
To: WILL HENDERSON (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Joe, and his brother Hy Berg have been long gone. Two wonderful
gents and stars of magic. Peace!
Msg #7352 Dated 2:21:36 06-22-91 7343 <--> 7358
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TIME
All is good. I decided to stop the comments on THIS DEALER as he
is so stupid he doesn't even understand what we are talking about.
Msg #7353 Dated 2:36:42 06-22-91 -> 7360
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PCAM DAY 3
HOLY COW IS IT DAY THREE? OR MORNING FOUR? YEP IT IS 1:50 AM SAT.
AAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH...... And stuff begins at 9:00 ayem
Manana. Don't ever do this again you guys... specially with all
the four hour lunch breaks. Altho today I had Bill Smith, Mike
Caveney and John Gaughan over the house to look at stuff Wayne
Powers would like to own... at any price. yargh. Holy cow
again, they had a meeting at 7 am yesterday. But the real stuff
didn't really start (oh, Channing Pollack was here today...
lookin' good) until 9 ayem with the close up contests, which I
couldn't concentrate on so I didn't watch. Oh I did see one guy,
but luckily he didn't see me slip out (I hope). I was saving
my energy for watching the 2:00 pm MIKE WEBER LECTURE. Priceless
stuff from maybe the most creative guy extant. As far as
inventing stuff you can really do and use. Nobody better. His new
book 'LIFESAVERS' arrived today Federal Express and he will
deliver some copies tomorrow (or is it already day after
tomorrow?). ZZZZZZZZZZ, ooops, stay awake, Biroman! Weber's
bit with the sponge covers of the stereo earpad covers (redundant
but so what) was brilliant. He puts them up to your ears (just
the rubber pieces) and YOU HEAR MUSIC!! Then he holds them out
and 'turns 'em on' and everybody then hears the music. Whan he
vanishes one the music stops... etc. etc. WOWZO! Buy his
book, see his lectures and ENJOY. He demo'd his pencil thru
Key--what a killer! Zoom Bow Pam knocks 'em dead. Chuck Fayne
was the alternate dude lecturing and he didn't win lecturer of
the year at the Magic Castle for nothing! He paid plenty...
NO.... Great stuff, funny guy. 8 Pee Em and the public show.
ARghhh. Not so ood. Too bad, coulda been. Tom Ogden MCd good.
Michael and Stacy (Jones) started the evening with very classy
mod magic with birds, fire and silks. Unfortunately the show
somewhat slowed and went downhill from there. Larissa and Melanie
Watson (8 year old twins from Australia) did cute little girl
dancing school stuff with color changing records, etc. OK,
Kevin James held his own, but slow working backstage help threw
the cues and his timing off. Individual hunks with he and Antonio
were great, but the light/sound guys did their usual hit job on a
great act. I know, every night is an opening night. Phil
Temple presented a Tribute to Moi-Yo Miller. Nice and wonderful
lady, great history, but there was NO POINT TO IT HERE. Sorry
Phil, it just missed, and with 60-percent laymen in the audience
they had no idea what the fuss was all about. Lee Grabel, a
great, neat wonderful guy and friend, retired for many years came
back with some nostalgic bits from his act that toured nationally
in the 50s, but sadly dropped coins and cards tarnished a great
memory of a fine performer. He still had the showmanship and
charm winning a standing ovation from the admiring magicians.
I had never seen San Francisco Illusionist Marshall McGoon. Nice
young guy with good looking help and some good illusions (but
some standard fare, like the overdone Hindu Basket, Broomstick
levi and shadowbox) but nothing to get the emotions going. Marsh
needs to see his act and decide if he wants to learn to walk and
talk like a PERFORMER! THEN... the late night Comedy Show.
Three out of Four good acts. Chuck Fayne opened with a spoofy
rope escape netting tons of laughs from simple situations,
followed by Billy Harris (who I reviewed a few weeks ago) who did
much the same stuff as his regular act, but didn't impress the
magi crowd. He must have sensed it and started to talk even
faster than before (which was too fast then) and I finally
figured what he needs to do. He needs to slow down and GIVE THE
AUDIENCE A CHANCE TO REACT. A guy I never heard of, TEX
WALKER, followed, starting slow, but once he put the mouse in the
blender of milk... all H started to flow and he won the crowd
with some great -- and I think Original material, bringing the
jaded crowd back to life. With the audience ready, Tom Ogden
hit hard with the funniest set I have ever seen him do. High
marks for Tom tonight, following his MCing the big show only
moments before! Hey it's only 2:10 and I don't have to be
there tomorrow -- er later today til after 9:00... I guess it
is OVER AND OUT and G'nite Mrs. Kalabash, where ever you be!
SORRY FOR THE NO PARAGRAPH FORMATTING, BUT AT 2:35 AYEM, AM
HAVING TROUBLE UPLOADING FOR SOME DUMB REASON. aRRGGHH
Msg #7355 Dated 8:49:47 06-22-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: WAKE UP CALL
Hey, c'mon youse guys... its 0845 and nobody's here! Well off to day
four and let's hope tonights show is up to par... I know that Stacy's
Mom and Dad (Chuck and Jan Jones) are good, and so is Jade and... well
I think youse gots to wait til tonight (or is it tomorrow?)
Msg #7357 Dated 9:49:07 06-22-91 7342 <--> 7780
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WILL HENDERSON (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Likewise, welcome from the Board of Advisors of MAGIC!. The sysop is
away til later tonite or tomorrow and Pete Biro is "covering" PCAM
this weekend. Have fun!
Msg #7358 Dated 9:49:14 06-22-91 7343 <--> 7359
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TIME
Would likewise be interested in the dealer who is ready to sue anyone
who "infringes" on HIS right to Harbin, Caveney, Steinmeyer, etc, etc
stuff. Everybody oughta know who this person is. Interesting!!
Msg #7359 Dated 9:49:20 06-22-91 7352 <--> 7361
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIME
The level of understanding proprietary rights is high on this board
Pete. Why not extend this dealer an invitation to join us here on
MAGIC!. Maybe this unnamed person will GET THE MESSAGE.
Msg #7360 Dated 9:49:26 06-22-91 7353 <--> 7363
From: TABBY CABB
To: PEE IR (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 3
If you get a chance, tell Bill Smith I said hello if you think of
it. Caveney was kind enuff to provide me with a new copy of Wenii
last year so I'm trying to buy some more of his books. Just got
the new Ortiz book and it's well done. Charlie is getting me a copy
of the Steinmeyer Thurston book, etc. I'm definately gonna have to
make PCAM next year. Where is it gonna be held, do you know yet?
Your coverage is excellent. Have been looking 4ward to it each day.
I guess PCAM wraps today, but if ya'll go into Sunday tell BS hey.
Msg #7361 Dated 10:06:45 06-22-91 7358 <--> 7362
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TIME
WILL THINK ABOUT IT. DON'T WANT TO GET SUED....
Msg #7362 Dated 10:07:09 06-22-91 7359 <--> 7367
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TIME
I DON'T THINK HE CAN SPELL OR TYPE.
Msg #7363 Dated 10:07:40 06-22-91 7360 <--> 7369
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 3
PCAM NEXT YEAR AT ASILOMAR (Near Monterey, Calif.)... Farquahar and
Felicity, manip dove act, won FOUR AWARDS at PCAM, but NO GOLD MEDAL.
Strange.... I didn't get details of contests (I fell asleep) will dig
today. ARghh plus!
Msg #7367 Dated 11:51:52 06-22-91 7361 <--> 7368
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIME
I don't want you to get sued either. Why not do it in a tactful way
wording it something like this. "Displaying merchandise from some
of the greats like Harbin, Steinmeyer, Caveney, etc was --------.
There is some question, however, in regards to the validity of cer-
tain propreitary claims, though I have no personal knowledge of this"
or sumptin like that.
Msg #7368 Dated 11:52:00 06-22-91 7362 <--> 7373
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIME
I understand. Dealing with dimwits is muy difficil'.
Msg #7369 Dated 11:52:06 06-22-91 7363 <--> 7374
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 3
Well, at least you got some sleep which is important.
Msg #7373 Dated 19:19:37 06-22-91 7367 <--> 7376
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TIME
Grassy ass... I hve the way to do it, just here for a cup a soup coming
frm hotel and on way to the final night show. Hotel is 12 minutes frm
my house and theater is 9 minutes the other way... breathingj hevy,
lots of hot news to file late tonite.
Msg #7374 Dated 19:20:52 06-22-91 7369 <--> 7377
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 3
Thre hours is sleep?
Msg #7376 Dated 20:09:36 06-22-91 7373 <--> 7482
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIME
Like I didn't have anything else to do today I decided to move my
office to the second floor where it used to be before it got too cold
last winter. had to take a break from the shop, but did some good
stuff about 3 am. Got set up sheets, etc from Wells the Wunnerful
via the faxola and revised for my own use. Looking 4ward to IBM next
week. Called Charlie Randall today and suggested to him we both
attend the PCAM next year. Is it being held the same weekend 1992?
My friend Rudy came by today and brought over some of the magic
he's been collecting for past few years when he got turned onto
conjuring while in the hospitol. He's got the biggest magnet I've
ever seen. nust be similar to the one you were carrying in your
volkswagen when you got stuck over the railroad tracks. I've got th
(read to) look in the 800 yellow pages to call a maggie factory
and get some info on big maggies in here. This thing was the size of
a book. Beautifully finished and wrapped in plastic. We took it down
to the shop and stuff was sliding all over the workbench and attachin
to Mr. Magnet. When it started pulling the blades off the saws I got
the heck outa there. Haven't seen Rudy since 7pm -F-
.
Dogs barking up by the road and old guy I haven't seen in 18 months
up by the fence talking trash with the doggers. He's back at Vets
home. Ex marine, ex animal handler for circus, mostly RB and Cole
Bros. Cool old guy. Maybe he'll drop by while you're here. A lot of
fun to talk to. Really knows his Circus Lore. He was going nuts at
the home and decided to see if the tabman was still hanging in since
he'd been gone. He'd been in hospitol last year ++ and is now back
here for a while. He's out walking to town to get a beer.
.
Well, I gotta get back to work, or have some peach ice cream. I have
not decided yet. Took the day off and only worked 10 hours. Bone Pony
is going into MCA studios in six or seven weeks found out last nite.
Keep the magic rollin. Perrier has lunch with one of my partners
tuesday so maybe will have good news when I pick u up at BWI tues pm.
Have a good un. Looking 4ward to yer report in the am> Keep up the
good work. Later....
Msg #7377 Dated 20:10:07 06-22-91 7374 <--> 7384
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 3
Thre hours is some sleep anyway. Yawn..
Msg #7380 Dated 21:18:54 06-22-91 -> 7387
From: GARY PLANTS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ANNOTATED ERDNASE
Hey Tabby, If you want to read THE book on Erdnase you owe it to
yourself to check out Darwin Ortiz's THE ANNOTATED ERDNASE. It is
fantastic!!! If you liked THE MAN WHO WAS ERDNASE, you will love THE
ANNOTATED ERDNASE. I imagine a lot of people expected that this is
what REVELATIONS was going to be like. GET IT!!!! Hope your tops are
coming along OK. Keep in touch.
Msg #7381 Dated 23:08:12 06-22-91 7045 <--> 7388
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF
For the July meeting, we are meeting in Pleasant Hill. The Address is
2050 Oak Park Blvd. If you're able to find California Magic & Novelty,
then you're on the right road. The meeting is (as always) the second
Wednesday, and the theme is Full Stage Competition. So, how'd you like
the public shows?
Msg #7382 Dated 23:13:59 06-22-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE PERATA (X)
Re: YO! HEY!
Pete, I finally made it back onto the board. You're finally on here, it
(the BBS) took your name! Ever since I gave you the number, this is the
first time it worked. First...Thanks for the rides home!! Never got
much sleep, but I'm making up for it tonight (or last night if you're
reading this on Sunday). Sad, but true, the convention which took
forever to get here (and lasted forever!) is over. I just may get up
early and go to the hilton out of habit.
Anyways, just a note to say welcome to MAGIC! I'll get some sleep, and
start playing with new toys (uh, er, studying recently obtained
illusions) in the morning. Never did find out where you were sitting...
Msg #7383 Dated 0:44:30 06-23-91 -> 7389
From: HALLEE STARBORN
To: ALL
Re: CONVENTIONS-SEMINARS
I am looking for information on conventions and seminars to attend this
late summer or early fall. If anyone can recommend a good one like
Desert Magic, or N.Y. Magic Symposium, I would be greatful.
Thanks.
Msg #7384 Dated 2:31:49 06-23-91 7377 <--> 7393
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 3
Toooo tarred tonite for final report and don't want to do a weak job.
In am might have to run back at 7 ayem to run some dudes to the
airport. The Convention committee guy came over (a few minutes ago) and
mumbled something like "you guys OK to get to airport tomorrow?" To
Mike Weber and another cat. They said "NO" (the committee said they
would getem there) And the sucker says, 'huh' AND WALKS AWAY!!!!
Msg #7387 Dated 2:37:04 06-23-91 7380 <--> 7390
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: ANNOTATED ERDNASE
Good book, but the best new ones are Steinmeyer and Webers' tomes.
Msg #7388 Dated 2:37:37 06-23-91 7381 <--> 7720
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: STUFF
Am leaving area for a month on Tuesday early. Good meetin' ya and will
do a final wrap up Sunday. Adios.
Msg #7389 Dated 2:38:24 06-23-91 7383 <--> 7392
From: PETE BIRO
To: HALLEE STARBORN (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS-SEMINARS
Stan Alan's Inside Magic lists all conventions. As does Genii magazine.
Msg #7390 Dated 7:22:12 06-23-91 7380 <--> 7394
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: ANNOTATED ERDNASE
Hey Gary, Charlie Randall brought me a copy last week when he was
up this way. I started reading it the other night. Charlie spent some
time with Darwin in DC last week. Yeah, I love it. It is what I had
thought Revalations would be too, and am glad Darwin and others per-
sisted in getting the book out. Hope you're doing well. I misplaced
your phone ## and address; actually a bunch of files got erased off
my hard drive and those were some of them. I'd like to give you a
call and talk to you about something, sooooooo........
Msg #7392 Dated 7:22:26 06-23-91 7383 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HALLEE STARBORN (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS-SEMINARS
Give me your address and I'll put you on the mail list for Music
City Conclave and Magician's Symposium which takes place Jan 10-12,
1992 in Nashville, TN which is modeled after both those events you
mentioned.
Msg #7393 Dated 7:24:34 06-23-91 7384 <--> 7398
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 3
I get up early, feed the doggers, make coffee go to store in rain to
get cream and plain do-nut, come home fire up MAGIC!, eat do-nut,
fix cup'o java, get comfy, etc and no final report yet. Well, it's
ok cuz you've done such a great job. I can wait til later to read all
about it. Tell Weber to use a Lifesaver to get to airport, oh, but I
guess that's you.
Msg #7394 Dated 7:24:43 06-23-91 7380 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: ANNOTATED ERDNASE
P.S. Tops doing good. Even pitched a few from the other side a time
or two and fooled myself. Come see me.
Msg #7398 Dated 10:38:40 06-23-91 7393 <--> 7445
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 3
WAIT TIL YOU SEE THE FOUR, COUNT 'EM FOUR STORIES I IS ABOUT TO SEND,
YOWSAH
Msg #7399 Dated 10:42:59 06-23-91 -> 7414
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PCAM91.9
At he PCAM Stan Alan hosted an "INSIDE MAGIC, LIVE" with Jim
Steinmeyer, Mike Caveney, Bill Smith and Michael Weber as
panelists.
Things more than livened up when someone read the statement
on the cover of Weber's lecture notes and asked what he meant.
The statement reads: "MICHAEL WEBER RESERVES ALL RIGHTS IN THESE
EFFECTS INCLUDING MANUFACTURING, SALE AND DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS,
TELEVISION, VIDEO, FILM, RADIO, STAGE AND THEATER PERFORMANCE
RIGHTS. REPRODUCTION OR UTILIZATION OF THIS WORK IN ANY FORM, BY
ANY MEANS NOW KNOWN OR HEREINAFTER INVENTED, INCLUDING
XEROGRAPHY, PHOTOCOPYING AND RECORDING, AND IN ANY INFORMATION
STORAGE AND RETRIEVAL SYSTEM, IS FORBIDDEN WITHOUT EXPRESS
WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER."
So, the questioner asked "What do you mean?" Weber said,
"what does it say?" The guy read it again. And Weber said, "it's
pretty clear, and what do the last couple of lines say?" The guy
replied, and Weber said. "That's it. Hey, if your going to go on
TV or appear in a big theatrical show and you want to use
something of mine, JUST GIVE ME A CALL!"
Weber also noted the importance of the fact that this took
up the ENTIRE outside back cover page... and offered to give
anybody there money back on anything they bought from him right
now if they didn't agree with it. There were NO TAKERS.
Steinmeyer added more with his citing examples of illusions
being "ripped off" and someone asked about the definition of how
to tell if a trick was or was not changed, or improved. His
example was great, and one that I had not thought of. Jim just
said, "Can you do it on the same show and have the PERCEPTION of
the audience be that they are DIFFERENT effects?"
Other topics included panel members EMBARRASSING MOMENTS
(altho this writer wished the original subject had continued).
Mike Caveney cited a show he and his wife TINA were doing, where
when Mike finished his act, the opening of TINA's had her enter
as a cleaning lady and she started to sweep up things Mike had
left on stage. The audience thought the show had ended
and started to get up and leave. Mike was backstage howling with
laughter but finally realized and had the MC go out and tell them
"the show isn't over!"
Msg #7400 Dated 10:44:00 06-23-91 -> 7415
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PCAM91.9
There was a magic dealer displaying illusions from Utah. His
name, Jeff Davis. Items listed were things like Asrah, Crystal
Casket, DeKolta Chair, Doll House, Fu Manchu Duck Vanish, etc.
Interestingly some of the above have a "credit" DeKolta, etc.
Within the list is... CUBIC -- New Type Origami Illusion.
Then, somewhere else it says: "NOTICE: ALL ITEM LISTED BELOW
ARE ORIGINAL TRADEMARKS OF JEFF DAVIS AND IMAGINATIONS UNLIMITED.
THESE ITEM ARE RESTRICTED TO USE BY LICENSE. ANY VIOLATION OF THE
FEDERAL TRADEMARK LAWS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED." (his spelling of
ITEM). The list: CUBIC, DOUBLE CRYSTAL CASKET, EVERY WHICH WAY,
GUITAR SUSPENSION, SEE THRU VISIBLE SAWING, TUBED OUT-TUBE AND
SPEAR ILLUSION.
Hmmmm... "CUBIC" (on previous page it said "New Type Origami
Illusion"). Ok, we all know the Origami is Jim Steinmeyers,
right.
When questioned about the improvements, Davis said something
about a new kind of HINGES, etc. etc.
Arrrrgggghhhhhh. Read other message where Steinmeyer defines
how to tell if an effect is the same!
Msg #7401 Dated 10:44:42 06-23-91 -> 7416
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PCAM91.957
Oh boy... I got to sleep until 7 this morning. Yaaawwwwnnnnnn.
Day last, or last day.... Yum, Sat. June 22, PCAM91,
Concord, Calif.
Things got underway EARLY with a breakfast show for the
Magigals International Breakfast Soiree. Lisa Menna, well known
pro performer entertained them I guess. She was listed, and I
heard she was great. Being neither a Magigal or up that early I
did not attend.
AT 10 (I got there late) Tom Ogden tore the place up with
his comedic ways while lecturing on how to work and how to get
money for working. Funny stuff.
My old pal, Bob McKenzie (former TV critic for TV Guide and
now TV newsman on the S. F. Fox Network station) came huffing and
puffing in the door at the same time I did. We sat together. He
told this story.
"I almost didn't make it. I was running late and roaring
down the road when I noted a Highway Patrol car following me. The
red lights were blinking. I tried to ignore it, but after a few
more miles figured I better pull over. The cop jumped out of his
car and came toward me looking pretty furious! He looked at me
HARD... Poked a finger at me and then froze... (I thought he was
going to kill me he looked so mad) his expression changed. And he
said, "Hey.... ah.... how did you make that match float?"
You see the night before Bob had done a segment on the news
from the convention, and being a magician himself closed with the
PK Match Levitation."
So you see gang, there is value in being a magician. No
ticket for Bob.
After Ogden and another run thru the dealer room we
adjourned to the lecture hall to listen to Stephen Minch's
presentation of the History of Close Up magic. His book "From
Witchcraft to Card Tricks" Notes toward an History of Western
Close Up Magic (1854-1897) covered what he says and is a MUST for
any library. Good, good, good.
Oh, yesterday I spelled Marshall Magoon's name McGoon. Sorry
folks.
Mid afternoon we were treated to the Stan Alan "Inside
Magic, Live" talk show. Funny, a guy walked up to me before that
and said, "Gee I can hardly wait for the Inside Magic conference,
I have always wanted to learn how to use my computer!" HAR!!
OK. Here is what all convention producers (in other words,
ME) wait for... the final show. You got to have your final stuff
be the best. This is what they all go home remembering.
Nice, nice venue, Walnut Creek's "Regional Center for the
Performing Arts" and a good show about to start.
It opened with a very nice voice over explaining the roots
of magic with Merlin, to the local scene, while a GREAT SLIDE
SHOW was presented, featuring the usual snaps of Houdini, Keller,
etc. but sprinkled in were some wonderful pictures of prominent
local performers that had made the big time and some that had
not, but were well known on the Pacific Coast. A couple of shots
from the old Franciso Midnight Spook Show were included (a show
that I was part of) -- it was nice.
The nostalgic mood was broken (which was ok) when funny
fellow Chuck Fayne appeared as the MC and got things going with
his Gypsy Thread presentation. I was sitting all the way in the
back and even with my old glasses on could see good.
Opening the show was the classic act of Petrick and Mia with
endless productions of large spheres from a single top hat. Mia's
fun with here walk on/off style was most enjoyable.
Nicole Watson (the 13 year old - of the 3 Watson girls
performing, the twins on the night before) presented an act where
she was a doll that came to life in a toyshop setting.
Here is where fellow MAGIC! member Max Maven and I strongly
disagreed (no we didn't hit each other, we just talked about it
and have opposite opinions). I like the act. Sure it wasn't
great. She isn't totally polished, but it was enjoyable and good
contrast to the show. Maven says "an act of that calibre doesn't
belong on a major convention show". Gee, Max, this isn't a MAJOR
convention. It's a regional with 300 attendees. It is giving here
experience, she didn't make any mistakes, she tried hard. She did
the stuff well. And I would also guess, as a producer of such
shows myself, the committee got a good deal. The whole family
came over from New Zealand, probably on vacation, they made a few
bucks with the Dad working close up and the kids doing their
stuff on stage. Committees can't afford all the acts to be big
time. You put the weaker acts on second. They can't kill the
show, sometimes they will surprise you. It's only my opinion.
Which I am often paid for.
Following Nicole, the saying "Polished to perfection" was
epitomized when Stan Allen (Gee did I spell it Alan in other
messages. Sleep may cure this) presented his class, classic act
with his rabbit puppet. No forced personality, just soft-spoken
perfection.
The intermission was great. They had a good Chardonay in the
lobby.
Following Fayne's bits to get things going. OH, BIG
COMPLAINT HERE... FAYNE IS GOOD, VERY GOOD. But he did almost all
the same material as MC that he did the night before on the
Comedy show. Chuck, either do new stuff each show or tell the guy
that hired you to get someone else to do one of the spots! Seeing
it 2 nights in a row kinda killed the laughter the second time.
And, Chuck, don't blame the girl at Denny's for forgetting
to bring the Syrup WITH the waffles. It was late and she was new
at it.
The second half was the strongest show of the convention. It
opened with The Magic of Jade. We all know and love what she
does. She stopped the show for a curtain call. The act shows that
she just finished a two month, two a day run at Caesars, keeps
getting better in little ways.
And the rest of the story. Chuck Jones, who I call
"everyman's magician" trekked in with a load of big stuff and his
standard "in one while they set" material.
Professional, fast, good looking and a few innovations,
especially good his new levitation. Much like Steinmeyer's Pole
Levitation (Copperfield and Siegfried and Roy have versions) but
very different. Stacy sat cross legged on an elevated platform.
Two vertical fluorescent light tubes are stood at the two outer
front corners of the platform. She reaches out, grasps the lights
and slowly rises. But then... but then, the two lights are taken
away. There is NO hiding a gaff behind a stand, a ladder, a
chair, the magician's leg... nuttin honey! The black art of the
lights helps. It is a good 'un. I asked Steinmeyer if he felt it
was a rip of his. He said, "Not at all, it's a very good
illusion!"
So everybody went home happy. Some of us fiddled around the
lobby and to Denny's staying practically until the morning
flights taking many of my pals away, back to their homes and the
scene slowly faded to black. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Here it is Sunday morning and I guess I have to slip back
into my real life. Darn, I was having so much fun. And hey I got
this great gal's phone number!
Msg #7403 Dated 10:46:56 06-23-91 -> 7466
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: NAME IT
On the Inside Magic (no !) panel, Mike Caveney and Bill Smith
related how they found and bought the complete Carter Show (and
collection) they also, Saturday, went over to San Francisco to
find - they did - Carter's old residence. Knocked on the door to
see if anyone was home to have a look inside, but nobody home.
But the story... The material is said to be (and no one
disputes this) 20 Tons of Magic and Memorabilia. So the two guys,
with some help, arrive in Northern Calif., to load up and take
all the stuff home to L.A. They are coming down the Waldo Grade
heading to the Golden Gate Bridge. Mike and Bill are in a van and
tell the truck driver to follow them.
Just as they are about to cross the bridge they realize the
truck isn't in the rear view mirror. They slow way down. They
can't stop. They get across the bridge and pull over and wait.
And wait. Yikes? Where is the 20 tons of stuff?
They get turned around and head back across the bridge and
get to the grade. All hell has broken loose. There are fire
trucks, ambulances, helicopters... you name it. And yep, right
there in the middle of it is their truck. OVER ON ITS SIDE.
The driver must be OK, he's running around taking pictures.
Cave and Smith finally get through. The bridge is CLOSED. They
make the evening news, the front page of the paper. Wow. Hey
guys, tell me it wasn't a publicity stunt.
They say, "NO WAY JOSE"....
The outcome. Almost no damage at all. The truck had been
packed so tight you couldn't get even another deck of cards in.
That is what protected the precious cargo. Whew!
Another first for MAGIC! Stories within the story!
Msg #7409 Dated 12:40:51 06-23-91 -> 7418
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAIL
Tabman:
I started this message a bit ago but got a phone call and it got
blown off. So here I go again.
Yesterday I went to the auction for the Forks Hotel. It went for
$125,000. However, the auction was held by the owners. They were facing
foreclosure. So there could be another auction if they didn't get
enough to provide clear title.
Anyway, It was very sad. Most of the magicians are only interested
in where they will work now. Nobody seemed to really care about Eveln
(Eddie's Widow), Nor about the history the place holds. Many of the
greats in Magic have walked through those doors throughout the years.
I get a little upset with their misplaced values. But then again, I may
not be fair because I work all the time.
Yes, that was Eddie's wife you saw at FFFF. At least I would guess
so. She was there the one evening.
Ray was at the Acution, but I missed him.
By the way, I'll be in Washington tommorow and tuesday. I think my
evenings, or at least one evening will be free. You said to let you
know if I get that way. Do you live very far? Maybe we could get
together?
Maybe I'll call you from there, Huh?
Msg #7414 Dated 14:22:26 06-23-91 7399 <--> 7423
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Actually, I like Weber's statement. He let's the amateur's use the
stuff to their heart's content, but requets you obtain permission
b4 using the stuff professionally. I guess that's it basically. BTW,
I read a good statement last night in the amateur/professional
debate: I forget who sed it as I read a lot late at night but gist
was "Amateurs built the Ark and Professionals built the Titanic"
course thats just an isolated incident and it wasn't ME that sed it.
Msg #7415 Dated 14:22:36 06-23-91 7400 <--> 7447
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Thanks for the info re: Davis. Wonder if he's any kin to the pres
of the confederacy. I'm a son of the south but never thought much
of the other JD either.
Msg #7416 Dated 14:22:42 06-23-91 7401 <--> 7424
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Thanks so much for the blow by blow. I almost feel like I was there
with you all. Sounds like PCAM is a must event. Am glad you and Max
et al enjoyed the event. I guess about all you got time 2 do is pack
for your trek east, then furthur east, then west, then??? You should
have some major frequent flyer miles built up. I've got a thing with
NW airlines and MCI where I get 5 flyer miles for each dollar spent
with MCI. Have built up over 18,000 miles in past year or so. I get
a free ticket at 20,000 and am working on my second one. Should be
next month or so. I'm not familiar with the S. Minch book you men-
tioned. Is it new?
Msg #7418 Dated 14:22:58 06-23-91 7409 <--> 7838
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: MAIL
Harrison, sad it is about the Forks Hotel. I hope the guys got enuf
to cover their note, etc. I wonder what is gonna happen to the bldg
now? I'll give you a call later tonite to see if its possible to
catch up with each other while you're in the area. Thanks for the
report on Forks, etc. Talk to you later....
Msg #7423 Dated 17:38:39 06-23-91 7414 <--> 7428
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
I missed that. Wonder if I am missing messages? Oh, well too late
to worry. Do you have a 220/110 converter for Europe that is low
wattage? I could borrow to fism so I can charge my computer?
Later...
Msg #7424 Dated 17:38:49 06-23-91 7416 <--> 7429
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
I think it was intro'd here. Hotoff presses. Weber's new book,
LIFESAVERS is a killer! His "legal" statement on that is a little
different. All the tricks are the kind you can do, without props,
and are IMPROMPTU.
The warning label there says (paraphrased) "You can do anything
in this book any where in this world or on any other planet, 24 hrs
a day (etc. etc.) in an IMPROVISATIONAL SITUATION. Anything else,
get in touch."
I love it. Wait til I work the one out for my book!!! Har....
Msg #7425 Dated 17:39:03 06-23-91 7067 <--> 7453
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
Actually, initial credit for the "Rollover" idea goes to Ron Ferris;
Dingle devised the sophisticated version which caught on.
Msg #7426 Dated 17:40:07 06-23-91 7201 <--> 7461
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
I think we are in agreement. You're right, the "Too Perfect" title is
not a good one. Unfortunately, it is one of several terms which are
part of magic which do not properly describe what they are about...
Msg #7427 Dated 17:41:02 06-23-91 7271 <--> 7440
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 2
Yeah, but "garage band" is not a pejorative term.
Msg #7428 Dated 17:41:36 06-23-91 7399 <--> 7438
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Actually, there was one guy who returned his notes to Weber and got his
money back.
Msg #7429 Dated 17:42:49 06-23-91 7401 <--> 7439
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
You misremember, Pete -- I did not refer to PCAM as a "major"
convention, but rather as a "medium-size" one. At any rate, it's worth
noting that while your comment that this was a show for 300 magicians
is technically true, it leaves out the fact that there were 400 lay
people in that audience, as well.
The bottom line has already been covered in your comments about the
fact that PCAM got a bargain deal in hiring the thirteen-year-old and
her family, who were used for three separate performances at the
convention. Are you, as booker for two _major_ conventions, seriously
suggesting that discount pricing is a good criterion for hiring an act?
There's far more to say on this, but I just got back and have mail to
sort through.
Msg #7430 Datd 19:1:5 06-23-91 7332 <--> 7459
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
Amazing! IMP is a combination useful electronic magicians tool AND
features a built in card trick! I can hardly wait to see the version
with the gimmick in it. Guess you'll have to let users construct their
own dummy message so that it can be customized and periodically
changed?
Msg #7431 Dated 19:17:37 06-23-91 7286 <--> 7432
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Thanks, Jim! That is a funny "pick a card" routine! Probably one the
Tabman could use. 'Course, I'm still dreaming of a stage version of
the other one - a jumbo deck and a construction pick. Stage manager
might not like the holes in the stage though.
Msg #7432 Dated 19:20:12 06-23-91 7291 <--> 7433
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Thank you - probably won't need the joystick and games. I have two
computer games and I've already played each of 'em once for 5 or 10
minutes.
Will suggest the Tenkai pinch to Nathan and see what he thinks. As to
silver dollars -- with hands his size the best he can do is palm a
dime.
Msg #7433 Dated 19:23:13 06-23-91 7305 <--> 7434
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Will have to look into the stack o' quarters idea. Maybe I'll get him
a fresh copy of Bobo at IBM. He recently observed that "as you get
bigger, the books get bigger."
Msg #7434 Dated 19:25:06 06-23-91 7310 <--> 7443
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Good point! (Bad pun!) - It isn't wise to arm the spectator's by
handing them picks, knives, etc.
Msg #7435 Dated 19:27:17 06-23-91 7289 <--> 7444
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SAT.
You guys have no idea of the hoops I'd jump through for Maryland crab
cakes. Next to the BBQ and BS at Hotel de Carlo, it is all I plan to
eat while in the city. Anyone know if a good crabcake place is open
for breakfast?
Msg #7436 Dated 19:29:42 06-23-91 7295 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC!
It will be after IBM before I consider any sections. We've had some
good input on it. Will probably be asking the Advisory Board to
consider the concept.
Msg #7438 Dated 19:36:13 06-23-91 7423 <--> 7454
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
If I don't have one we' hit Radio Shack til they give us one.
Msg #7439 Dated 19:36:17 06-23-91 7424 <--> 7455
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
It seems a fair statement (Weber's rights). It is time that magic
caught up to the other performing arts. Licensing is the lifeblood
of creators every where. Most hobbiests perform for a limited number
of folks, so unlike the pro who can take an act and work it for years
the amateur needs a constant supply of effects to keep their audience
happy. I would suggest to the creators and writers, that the "rights"
be posted on the outside of the shrink sealed book, etc or I'm afraid
that some problems might arise
Msg #7440 Dated 19:36:27 06-23-91 7427 <--> 7462
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 2
That's true, however it took some mighty good garage bands to get
signed to labels to bring the term around to where it basically
describes a method rather than a style. I wish I had an alternative
suggestion to describe this type of magician, however cynicism
escapes me momentarily. Lots of good groups escape from the "basement
too, so that lets that one out. Maybe just callem "escapees." I do
tend to admire anyone, no matter how bad, who has the courage to
follow a dream. Time has a way of balancing things out anyway. The
key is the desire to get better and having the ability to compart-
mentalize feelings at least long enuff to listen to someone who can
help, having the wisdom to separate good from bad advice, and the
talent and stamina to put this advice into action.
Msg #7442 Dated 19:44:23 06-23-91 7336 <--> 7448
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON X)
Re: WHO WHO ??
Erggghhh!!! An MBA in Magic! I can see it now! There was a similar
course that was reported on here on MAGIC! that was at Learning Tree.
I don't remember who the instructor was.
Msg #7443 Dated 19:48:34 06-23-91 7433 <--> 7469
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Could probably drill him out a stack of nickles while you're here.
The pennys are just a little small to drill out, but nickles might
work.
Msg #7444 Dated 19:48:39 06-23-91 7435 <--> 7456
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAT.
Hey, we can have crab cakes the night you get in. There's a joint
just down the road that has good ones. Since they are made with
egg yokes I don't eat em out, only from Miss Glo, but she and my
Mom sez that St. Marys Landing has good crab cakes. Pete will be
ready for some bright lights after a day at The Hotel DeCarlo where
every day is a dog day. BTW, don't forget modem, Rs-232 card, and I
forgot what the other stuff wuz since I've torn the office up and
have been moving it upstairs and can't find the list you gave me.
Msg #7445 Dated 19:51:32 06-23-91 7353 <--> 7446
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 3
Thanks for the terrific report, Pete! Very nice. Appreciate you
staying up to file your column from the PCAM.
Msg #7446 Dated 19:53:29 06-23-91 7393 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 3
Rain? You have rain? Gee! Can I see some? Maybe get a digitized
image of it to hang over the brown lawn as encouragement?
Msg #7447 Dated 20:07:14 06-23-91 7400 <--> 7457
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Trademark, as far as I know (and I'm no lawyer, nor do I pretend to
offer legal advice, MIGHT protect the name "Cubic" for something, but
it would not protect the physical work.
Msg #7448 Dated 20:52:36 06-23-91 7442 <--> 7472
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHO WHO ??
The Learning Tree campus instructor on beginning and advanced magic is
Christopher Love. His only credential listed is that he is a Magic
Castle member. The classes he teaches are one day affairs which I
would recommend to a beginner however the class at Cal State Fullerton
sounds like a much more in depth prog ram. If it were closer I
wouldn't mind attending myself.
Msg #7449 Dated 20:57:15 06-23-91 -> 7458
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM
Thanks for taking the time and effort to post all of your great reports
about the convention. I have never been to the PCAM before but I think
I will be able to make it the next time they have it. As long as I
know far enough ahead of time (I have to schedule my vacation time a
year in advance!) I should be able to attend. Thanks again!
Msg #7451 Dated 21:18:05 06-23-91
From: WALTER LOUGHNEY
To: ALL
Re: IBM-91
I am looking for someone to share a room with at Baltimore.
I figure if I find someone else who is also rooming alone, and we
just share the cost of the room (same price single or double), we each
end up with about $275 more to spend in the dealers' room (or whatever)
If anyone is interested or knows someone who may be please call me at
305-724-4346 or 800-771-4345 and leave msg with my office for me to
call you back. Or if you prefer lv msg here and I will check in again
before leaving for Baltimore friday morning.
Msg #7453 Dated 21:35:30 06-23-91 7425 <--> 7474
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
Mavan-San... is the Ferris effect in print? If so, where? Nice
seeing ya at PCAM, enjoyed our discussions, etc.
Msg #7454 Dated 21:35:35 06-23-91 7428 <--> 7475
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Gettin' his money back was dumb, studying Weber and his mojo is
a worthwhile effort!
Msg #7455 Dated 21:35:41 06-23-91 7429 <--> 7460
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
You have to weigh discount priced acts with premium acts. And,
over a four show convention like IBM there are many of both.
What's the old saying, "You have to take the good with the bad".
Not really relevant, but it came to mind.
Sure, it would be great if all acts were 10s. Funny thing. The
Kiwis were the only performers I had never seen before!!!
So, another point. Would it be better to always book "safe" acts
that we have seen? Or more Dr. Magics, hoping to strike gold?
Do you really think there were 400 laymen? I don't. What it think is
this: AT $95 for the convention (IBM is $65) a lot of local Magi
didn't attend convention, BUT DID COME TO THE SHOWS. Would be
interesting to know the breakdown.
The guy Fayne had up for the Bill in Grapfruit came up when he
asked for a "non magician" and it turned out the bugger WAS A MAGI.
Msg #7456 Dated 21:35:58 06-23-91 7435 <--> 7470
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAT.
CRAB CAKES. ARRRGHHH, sounds like the NEW MacLean! H (or is it
seaweed) burger.
Msg #7457 Dated 21:36:03 06-23-91 7447 <--> 7464
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
I also want to say, that as much prop stealing as their is, it is
far more commone and far easier to nick patter. This is a killer
and I get fried everytime I come up with new stuff.
item is one of my inventions that I NEVER GAVE ANYONE PERMISSION TO
BUILD!!!
devised an effect, drew a concept sketch and went to a builder for
a bid. The performer didn't follow up right away, and before we
knew it the prop was built and in someone's act. And... and... I
understand not only is Copperfield using it on his live shows (I
was told, no proof) but the dealer is selling 'em like crazy!
Shhheeeeet!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #7458 Dated 21:36:18 06-23-91 7449 <--> 7559
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PCAM
Any one that wants magic lessons, critiques, etc. I would be
more than happy to do so. I will be on the road and swamped until
the end of July, then its time to start working on stuff.
I have a new and original concept for a "stage illusion show" and
would be interested in collaborating with someone.
Msg #7459 Dated 22:30:55 06-23-91 7341 <--> 7463
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: END OF...
That's sounds more like what I'm looking for will make one up and
try it out. I have a ton of alligators back in the lab and will
make it up later.
.
Saw Becky at the Castle last night. She did good. She incorporated
the silk thru mike stand as we had discussed and it played really
well.
.
Martin Cortet from Switzerland was also on. I wonder if dance classes
are a prerequisite for European Stage magicians ? Very well choreogra
phed dance act wrapped around some mild magic. Linking rings done as
a dance number, more juggling than magic.
.
Terry Evanswoode, a young illusionist from Chicago, was very very
good. The best broom suspension I have seen. He just turned 21 last
night. Very good mike presence. Did a reverse saw the lady in half,
well done. His assistant, a little fox, wanted him to show her how
to get in the box one more time. He gets in and the assistants lock
HIM in and proceed to saw HIM in half.
.
Joycee Beck in the parlour, good show. I don't understand why she would
do Whit Hayden's mongolian pop knot routine, it was almost word for
word. She is better than that - can't believe ripping some one's
material and then doing it at the castle where it would be so obvious
.
Getting all my stuff together for next week - see you soon.
Msg #7460 Dated 22:31:19 06-23-91 7439 <--> 7465
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
This is the way Software is sold. By opening the package you are
agreeing to the terms, if you don't agree don't open the package.
.
There is already precedence for this concept, you are right that
magic should catch-up.
Msg #7461 Dated 22:31:26 06-23-91 7426 <--> 7480
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
Where is the "Too Perfect" written up. I thought I understood the
concept, but the discussion here lately makes me think I should go
to the source.
Msg #7462 Dated 22:31:31 06-23-91 7440 <--> 7517
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 2
Isn't the bottom line whether people are willing to hire you to do
magic. If you are 'bad' you might get a few gigs and actually harm
the art, but eventually you run out of places to work and retire
back to the basement. However, if you continue to work at the art and
via word-of-mouth get more and work, you eventually break out of the
basement and become full-time pros.
Msg #7463 Dated 22:31:39 06-23-91 7430 <--> 7468
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: END OF...
The file DUMMY.MSG is anything you want it to be. I'll provide a
template and it can be modified by a normal word processor.
Msg #7464 Dated 22:53:10 06-23-91 7457 <--> 7515
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Sheesh! Theoretically, a builder is in a position similar to mine,
both at work and here on MAGIC!. Sooner or later, secrets pass thru
your door and the key to survival (as well as professional ethics)
means that such things are held CONFIDENTIAL. There has been more than
one occassion in my professional practice in which I have had two
competing pre-release projects in my shop and have NEVER divulged even
the existance of one to the other. A builder has to have that same
ability.
Msg #7465 Dated 23:00:15 06-23-91 7460 <--> 7479
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
As far as I know, the "shrinkwrap" software license has never truly
been tested. To the best of my knowledge (and I am not a lawyer nor do
I pretend to offer legal advice) only ONE case was ever considered
under "shrinkwrap." It was Ashton-Tate (of course!) vs. Central Point
Software and Ashton-Tate filed it in Louisanna (the only state, I
believe, with a law that supports "shrinkwrap"). I believe the case was
resolved prior to court.
The description of the Weber book cover that has been given here does
not indicate that it is an attempt at a contract or license, but more
of a prohibition. Guess we'd only find out if it worked if Weber chose
to sue someone for violation of the terms.
Msg #7466 Dated 23:08:27 06-23-91 7403 <--> 7487
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NAME IT
Sorta reminds me of the rainy night I came down Tryon Pass in North
Carolina following a truck full of hanging sides of beef. The truck in
front of him literally talked him down the Pass. I was real glad to be
the driver behind him, not the one in front!
As to the "first," was this story not told at the IM program?
Msg #7468 Dated 23:20:31 06-23-91 7463 <--> 7516
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
Great! I can see some interesting possibilities here... I've been out
of town since Friday and just got back. Been catching up on all the
messages - Pete did a GREAT job of reporting PCAM. Wish I'd been
there.
Msg #7469 Dated 23:22:29 06-23-91 7443 <--> 7519
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
OK, put drilling nickles on that list of the million things we are
going to do in a day and a half. By the way, do you have that list of
things I'm supposed to remember to do/bring?
Msg #7470 Dated 23:23:56 06-23-91 7444 <--> 7471
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
OK, crab cakes the first night! You really have no idea how much I
love 'em. I'm not allergic to egg, but I am allergic to crab! No
problem, though - we just have to make sure that I don't wander off by
myself for an hour or two after eating them.
I sure hope you find that list! I haven't a clue to what-all we had on
it and it was all necessary stuff. Oh, well, there's always parcel
post if we remember too late.
Msg #7471 Dated 23:27:00 0623-1 7456 <-> 7493
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
You're just offended 'cause you thought I was comin' across just to be
with you. Truth - Maryland crab and crab cakes are in a class by
themselves.
Msg #7472 Dated 23:29:03 06-23-91 7448 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WHO WHO ??
Thanks for the reprise of the Learning Tree info. The Fullerton
classes do sound interesting. Hopefully we will get more info on David
Thorsen and his colleague. Too far for me too.
Msg #7474 Dated 23:41:26 06-23-91 7453 <--> 7490
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
Can't remember where the Ferris idea saw print, but am pretty sure it
was published, not just kicked around verbally. If I get time in the
next day or two I'll try and track it down for you.
Msg #7475 Dated 23:42:27 06-23-91 7454 <--> 7483
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Well, Weber was tickled that someone took him up on his offer.
Msg #7479 Dated 23:48:53 06-23-91 7455 <--> 7486
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Having booked several conventions of various sizes (and budgets), I
agree that there are things that must be weighed in determining who to
book. I just think that mediocre acts should be outside of that
equation; "discount" doesn't have to mean "lousy."
And no, I don't think it's a good policy to stick to booking only
"safe" acts. I'm all in favor of conventions taking educated risks.
How many lay people were in the audience? If not the full 400 who were
not registrants, certainly a large percentage. At any rate, the total
audience was 700 people, which is far different from 300...
Nice seeing you.
Msg #7480 Dated 23:52:33 06-23-91 7461 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
Hierophant, issue #5, January 1971.
Msg #7482 Dated 23:59:14 06-23-91 7358 <--> 7521
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TIME
True about infringing on his infringments. Had
a dealer want to run an ad for origami that hje
claimed was very different than Steinmeyers.
BUT he still called it Origami! Needless to say
we did not run the ad. Geez, the noive!
Msg #7483 Dated 0:29:26 06-24-91 7414 <--> 7484
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Not sure Weber's message specifically gives amatuer's performance
rights. He specificially prohibits professional performance, but the
rights statement is purposely written to be far-reaching and
all-inclusive. If I were a judge, I would NOT interpret that to mean
Weber was giving amateurs a license to perform...
Msg #7484 Dated 0:30:51 06-24-91 7423 <--> 7485
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Pete-
Re Weber's rights statement, see message 7483 to Tabby.
Msg #7485 Dated 0:31:23 06-24-91 7428 <--> 7496
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Max--
I know you can copyright the writing of lecture notes. And I know the
the owner of a copyright of, say, a film, can license that film to
people, allowing them to perform it. The techincal term when a film
company lets a theatre show their print is, a "Limited license under
copyright." But do you think Weber can protect the material within the
notes to the extent that he can then license it out? Obviously he can
prevent it from being reprinted under his copyright, but is the
MATERIAL copyright-able.
Also, seee message 7483. I think the language does NOT allow amateurs
to perform this material (assuming Weber has copyright in the
material). Watcha think?
Msg #7486 Dated 0:40:19 06-24-91 7439 <--> 7491
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Absolutely -- when you buy software, you always have a sticker on the
envelope that warns you -- if you open envelope, you agree to license.
Having the license agreement visible at time of purchase would mean
everything...
This is of course assuming Weber has copyright in his creations, which
I'm not sure of. I'm not talking fair or not fair here, I'm talking
law...
Msg #7487 Dated 0:43:34 06-24-91 7403 <--> 7492
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NAME IT
Ouch! Curious -- how did truck turn over?
Magic?
Msg #7490 Dated 7:44:05 06-24-91 7425 <--> 7495
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
Good call, Max. I knew the concept of rolling back a shuffled deck to
reveal somhing predated to someone, but I didn't know who. I gotta
hand it to Dingle, though. I really loved his idea of the card
revealed being the top card of a block, which is later revealed to be
a royal flush. At least, I assume the Ferris idea was a single card
revelation.
Msg #7491 Dated 9:10:28 06-24-91 7465 <--> 7497
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
My guess, with Weber, is that he isn't going to be a BAD GUY. He
just feels that the price you pay isn't enough if the material is
going to be used 'BIG TIME' -- there was additional discussion on
the use of Seabrooke's Burnt Note in Wallet by Copperfield. Most
couldn't figure Seabrooke's UPROAR since the trick had been WIDELY
marketed WITH THE PATTER. And was included in Seabrooke's book,
published by Magical Publications.
and instructions it might have been more valid.
have used his bits and gags, even though published, BECAUSE it is
a TRUE "signature piece" of Seabrooke. But, at the same time I don't
think Seabrooke SHOULD HAVE PUBLISHED THE BITS AND THE PATTER.
performers to do HIS MATERIAL. Myself and Ricky Jay. Jay changed
all the patter. I did the routine identically to Seabrooke, and in
fact created some of the material that Seabrooke uses. You will note
that if you have seen him do it when I am present, he usually
throws in a line, somewhere in the routine, "thank you Mr. Biro".
to the USA and work. Once Terry established his presence here, I
immediately STOPPED doing the routine. I had, in fact, considered
my RIGHTS of the trick the Territory of the USA... and when Terry
expanded his workplace to include this continent I stopped.. altho
HE DID NOT ASK ME TO. The full out come was that I decided to write
my own signature piece. Which I did and over a period of time
developed a very strong piece of material WHICH IS ALL MINE.
Msg #7492 Dated 9:10:53 06-24-91 7466 <--> 7500
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NAME IT
"AS TO THE 'FIRST' WAS THIS NOT TOLD AT THE IM PROGRAM"
I don't know what you are referring to. What is the IM program?
Msg #7493 Dated 9:10:59 06-24-91 7470 <--> 7494
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAT.
Lists are meant to be broken.
Msg #7494 Dated 9:11:03 06-24-91 7471 <--> 7506
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAT.
Anything that walks sideways is in a class by itself.
Msg #7495 Dated 9:11:08 06-24-91 7474 <--> 7501
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
Thanks Max... don't take any extra time... It is mostly for my
knowledge bank. I don't have the shufflin' skills to do it. Funny,
Tannen advertised a Mechanical Version of Rollover Aces.... So I
bought it. IT WAS HARDER TO DO THAN THE REAL ONE! Seems like it
was made up with CRUDE stripper deck, and even if you could do it
reasonably well it had many 'TELLS' and the cards looked terrible.
Msg #7496 Dated 9:11:17 06-24-91 7475 <--> 7498
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Yeah, I love it. I missed the fact that it happened, and Mike didn't
mention it. But hey, that's gooooooood!
I have an idea. Why not put a page of "tear out" coupons in a book.
Each time you perform the trick, you fill out the coupon, send it
to the publisher. You put your name, use, number of people watching,
venue, TV, Radio, etc. When you run out of coupons you have to BUY
MORE!!!!
Msg #7497 Dated 9:11:27 06-24-91 7479 <--> 7499
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
I believe I broke all records for "risk taking acts" in one swell
foop. Just remember Dr. Magic.
Wells and I had to go to the Clam Bake and we figured that it
would be best to see the Dr's second performance as the rough
edges would be taken off the first night!
Msg #7498 Dated 9:11:35 06-24-91 7483 <--> 7513
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Performing tricks in print with the "rights messages" only causes
Conjurians (sick) to operate their magic just like they drive.
When in a 55 MPH zone they drive 75 MPH figuring they will not get
caught. You can do this your entire life time and not get caught.
So the wonderworkers will do the stuff and no one will know.
That is a major mentality frame. And a bad one.
Reminds me of the time the "boss of the Ethics Committee" told
Paul Daniels "You know the XX (trick) never did go over when I did
it UNTIL I started to use YOUR PATTER and presentation!"
often, don't even think there is anything wrong with doing this.
And I don't think they are all reviewers!
Msg #7499 Dated 9:11:49 06-24-91 7486 <--> 7503
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Weber is a practicing Lawyer. He did mention to me something, in a
late, late night session about the Illusion Builder, wondering if,
in fact, the illusions were Registered. Weber said YOU HAVE TO
REGISTER THE STUFF. I have some forms from the State for something
I should register, but have not gotten around to it.
Also, some material I have written for a possible TV project has
been registered with the Writer's Guild.
we should be like the music biz.
than DOUBLE in a year. It was "Bullshot Crummond" -- My investment
was "limited" to the San Francisco run of the show. The writers of
the show owned the material. A book with the play in it can be
bought in book stores that specialize in plays, etc. (I should go
find my copy and see what the rights page says) but purchase of
THAT book does not give you the rights to the play. You get to read
the play but not perform it. (pause while I see if I can find it),
I'll be right back....
I FOUND IT... AND WOW... the page with the INFO is a full page and
starts at the top with:
"Copyright (C), 1974, by Ron House and Diane White.
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED -- CAUTION: Professinals and Amateurs are hereby
WARNED that "Bullshot Crummond" is subject to a Royalty. It is fully
protected under the copyright laws of (list of counties).
All rights, including professional, amateur, motion picture,
recital, lecturing, public reading, radio, television and the rights
of translation into foreign languages are strictly reserved. In its
present form the play is dedicated to the READING PUBLIC ONLY.
upon payment of a royalty of Fifty Dollars for the first performance
and Thirty Five Dollars for each additional performance payable one
week before the play is given (then the address is included).
gain or whether or not admission is charged.
professional readings, peermission and terms for which must be
secured in writing from (etc. etc.).
all printing and advertising: "Produced by special arrangement with
Samuel French, Inc." Due authorship must be given on all programs,
printing and advertising for the play."
lists the copyrights of each song and or gag included. And it
states the length of time you can use the material and the maximum
amount of money that can be charged for admission tickets to see it.
proving once again... MAGIC (ER MAGICIANS) HAVE NOT ACHIEVED THIS
STATUS.... BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT ESTABLISHED IT. YOU GET WHAT YOU
TAKE!
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