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Msg #7500 Dated 9:12:30 06-24-91 7487 <--> 7505
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: NAME IT
I didn't aske how the truck turned over. Knowing the road if they
had "overloaded" it on the top heavy side it would be an automatic
roll. They wuz lucky.
Msg #7501 Dated 9:12:37 06-24-91 7490 <--> 7555
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
When I first saw Dingle to his version I was amazed when the top
card of each block was the revelation... BUT WAS FLOORED when the
blocks were spread to reveal the Royal Flushes...
on the Four Ace Assembly (yawn) I figure you can borrow a shuffled
deck. Do no search, no set up, use no stack, no gaffs and JUST DEAL
THE CARDS ONTO THE TABLE "AS IF YOU WERE DOING THE TRICK" and just
roll right through it using ALL YOUR PRESENTATION SKILLS and some
great talk... AND IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. Only the front
row would know all the cards were wrong.
Msg #7502 Dated 9:12:59 06-24-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: 7501
Some lines are missing in msg 7501 Line 4 is a pickup with stuff
missingbetween it and line 3. Should say something like "at recent
convention almost all performers did a variation"
Msg #7503 Dated 9:24:06 06-24-91 7491 <--> 7504
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
It seems to me that it is unlikely that statements on book jackets will
prove to be very enforceable. Particularly since it would require
costly litigation in which, even if one prevailed, the judgement might
not ever be collected (face it, most magi haven't got a million
dollars).
And it is unlikely that a registration system similar to the one in the
music business is likely to occur. After all, people have been talking
about it for a number of years and it hasn't happened yet. Again, it
may be a case of economics.
Maybe the way to go on magical issues is to find a way to have people
submit to BINDING ARBITRATION. This might be relatively easy to set up
in that an agreement for it could actually be built right in to the IBM
and SAM membership requirements. Using the rules of the American
Arbitration Association, the arbitrators could be established as a
panel of MAGICIANS. Since they would understand the issues, conflicts
could be resolved easily, quickly and inexpensively. Another advantage
would be protection of secrets - under this approach, they would not be
revealed in open court.
Msg #7504 Dated 9:35:48 06-24-91 7499 <--> 7508
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Pete -
For some strange reason, the beginnings of your paragraphs and some
lines get "clipped" from what you upload. Makes it kinda hard to read.
You sure you are starting each line correctly in RDMAGIC? And that
your communications settings are right? You might want to communicate
with Jerry privately about it.
Msg #7505 Dated 9:37:20 06-24-91 7492 <--> 7529
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NAME IT
You mentioned that the story of the truck turning over was a "first"
here on MAGIC! I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't first
revealed during the presentation.
Msg #7506 Dated 9:38:30 06-24-91 7493 <--> 7507
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Was that a list to port or starboard? I couldn't find a pen and so I
called Tabman and asked him to write some stuff down and to send it
back to me as a message so that I would remember what to bring to him.
Msg #7507 Dated 9:40:07 06-24-91 7494 <--> 7511
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SAT.
Hmmmmm..... You have an interesting comedic bit there - a crab telling
another crab, "Walk this way."
Msg #7508 Dated 10:04:36 06-24-91 7499 <--> 7514
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Pete...check your recent posts....many of them seem to have a line or
two missing. I think it may be your IMProved technology.
'W.
Msg #7511 Dated 11:31:57 06-24-91 7507 <--> 7520
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAT.
As Pete and I discussed a long time ago, here on MAGIC:
"If I could walk this way, I wouldn't need the talcum powder."
Msg #7513 Dated 11:56:14 06-24-91 7483 <--> 7528
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Well, if you check into copyrights, etc; you'll find that getting
paid is one of the key criterion for assessing infringement. If an
amateur performs it for moola, then for the moment he is a pro and
infringement occurs. If he's hanging out with friends, then no. The
key is did the guy with the priprietary rights loose money on the
deal.
Msg #7514 Dated 11:56:22 06-24-91 7486 <--> 7522
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
I would hope that M. Weber knows the law.
Msg #7515 Dated 11:56:26 06-24-91 7457 <--> 7518
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
You need to draw up a non-disclosure agreement next time you decide
to give something away. A reputable builder wooden mind signing such
and then you'll have legal recourse when they go into production
behind your back. SLAM!
Msg #7516 Dated 11:56:32 06-24-91 7459 <--> 7724
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: END OF...
You guys sure are taking good care of me these days. Ya'll know how
much I enjoy the magical going ons out there on the west coast and
you make sure I (and others) know what is going on. It sure is quiet
around here with that 800 number gone. Maybe I won't give the new
number to just anybody anymore. It got published in a bunch of
directories and sure wasted a lot of my time (and money which I don't
have).
.
Glad to hear the Becky took our suggestions to heart. How did it play
or did you tell me? I can't see orig msg from BTB as IMP is covering
it up.
.
Will be looking 4ward to getting 2gether with you in a few daze.
Seems like yesterday we were walking out on those rude crude comedy
types in Anaheim.
.
Kid brought over a GIANT maggie the other day. Awesome power. Never
seem anything like it. Am checking around for source. Will let U no.
Msg #7517 Dated 11:56:49 06-24-91 7462 <--> 7725
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 2
I think that "bad magic" hurts magic more than "bad music" hurts the
music biz. I think people usually expect (on bottom levels) that a
band will be bad since the top guys get big bux; however, I don't
think people (this is again on the bottom $$ levels) expect a
magician to be lousy. But again, I think most people (buyers of any
kind of talent) are astute enuff to know that one gets what one pays
for. If a "good" magician just starting out sets his fee structure
low and buyers are "blown away" then in no time at all he/she is
making decent money and getting plenty of work. Happens all the time.
.
BTW, just heard that Blackstone worked the Psychic Entertainers Assn
annual bash in DC (Washington, not Copperfield). A man for all
seasons?
Msg #7518 Dated 11:57:01 06-24-91 7464 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
I work for more than one person at a time and respect each individual
project as if it were the only project I have. As a music manager I
do not cross work connections, etc, though some do.
Msg #7519 Dated 11:57:07 06-24-91 7469 <--> 7550
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
I'll have to look again for the list. Something about cereal and
modems, soft fonts??, and those gold bars you promised me when I
painted your kitchen.
Msg #7520 Dated 11:57:12 06-24-91 7470 <--> 7548
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAT.
Oh yeah, something about 50 sets of lecture notes that you're gonna
bind and shipout overnight. Send postal overnight as it is most
reliable coming to my place. Easy for you since yer close to PO.
Msg #7521 Dated 11:57:18 06-24-91 7482 <--> 7619
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TIME
At least you guys at Genii have some class. Left msg for Obie last
nite re: FFFF story. Scot Wells in Houstn wrote up a good one for
houston magic news. maybe get it, will let cha no. Short and sweet
and well done. Later.
Msg #7522 Dated 11:57:24 06-24-91 7486 <--> 7524
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Too bad you can't crp an idea, but there is a low cost way to do it
through patent and Trademarks that gives you propriety for two years.
Msg #7524 Dated 11:56:12 06-24-91 7499 <--> 7525
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Pete --
1) Your message is a little garbled -- are a few lines missing, or out
of order?
2) Practicing lawyer or no, Weber can write anything he likes on the
lecture notes, that doesn't mean it would hold up. Witness the stub of
any parking garage that tells you it isn't responsible for any theft,
damage, etc -- the language on those stubs can say whatever they want,
doesn't mean they would hold up.
The difference between a play, or any written work, and the MATERIAL in
the lecture notes is everything, and this is what I'm curious about.
Clearly the WRITING is protected. The effects -- they're another
thing.
Someone will have the answer -- i'm pretty sure there's a clear one.
Thanks for all your reporting!
Msg #7525 Dated 12:01:04 06-24-91 7503 <--> 7526
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Yeah, but ALL magi would have to sign an agreement to the effect they
would submit to binding arbitration -- the good guys will have no
problem (probably) doing this, they bad guys won't bother.
You'd have to hook the agreement to joining the IBM or SAM, or the
Castle. Don't know what the legal ramifications of making somone sign
the document in this manner would be.
Msg #7526 Dated 12:03:01 06-24-91 7514 <--> 7527
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
It's not a question of what he knows, but what he's putting on there to
scare people off. Like the stub for a parking garage -- forbidding
language that is usually partly, if at all enforceable. If you werte
a lawyer in Weber's shoes, wouldn't you make the language is forbidding
as possible?
Msg #7527 Dated 12:04:21 06-24-91 7522 <--> 7531
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
NOT too bad you can't copyright an idea, T-man! The reason you can't
is that it would radically interefere with the free exchange of ideas,
a necessary thing for a free society! All this law balances the need
to economically encourage creation with the need to share things with
the marketplace to encourage progress with a capital "P."
Msg #7528 Dated 12:06:18 06-24-91 7513 <--> 7537
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Still, big question for me iif EFFECTS are pyright-able.
Msg #7529 Dated 12:08:51 06-24-91 7500 <--> 7533
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NAME IT
Yeah!
Msg #7531 Dated 12:41:38 06-24-91 7503 <--> 7532
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Oh, cut it out... you're killing all the fun!
Msg #7532 Dated 12:41:44 06-24-91 7504 <--> 7534
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
I think I know whats going wrong. Will try to avoid.
Msg #7533 Dated 12:41:49 06-24-91 7505 <--> 7552
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NAME IT
Yep it was revealed first at the discussion, just the first
report was here. If I say "Your read it here first" it means
READ... also my version?
Msg #7534 Dated 12:41:55 06-24-91 7508 <--> 7536
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
There are no IMProvements to my technique. Just sloppy technique.
Msg #7536 Dated 12:42:09 06-24-91 7524 <--> 7538
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
I guess the mode of the comics is still the best. You take the guyu
out and slug him, making sure there are no video cameras running.
Grin, grin, grin.... I plan to use the coupon method.
I figure if I run out and Patent the Linking Rings I am set for
life!
Msg #7537 Dated 12:42:17 06-24-91 7513 <--> 7556
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
El Tab... just called NEC tech support and "Lo and behold, my
laptop is a 50 watt unit... so the 50-1500 watt converter I hae
er, have, is just fine! Whew!
Msg #7538 Dated 12:42:29 06-24-91 7499 <--> 7539
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Establishing a royalty situation should strengthen magic. I do howeve
r feel that amateurs buy the books so they can do the tricks and that
this situation should be allowed to continue. If you're doing shows
then you should pay. Everytime a song that is covered by BMI or Harry
Fox (the agencies that collect my and other royalties) I eventually
get a few cents. Same with cable tv and record sales. It is a complex
proceedure, but one that I like. Another However, to get paid I MUST
REGISTER the stuff with the appropriate agency. The only way to
protect yourself, is to protect yourself and not trust the other
guy (well there are some trustworthy people, but you know who they
are) to be honorable. Anyway, what do I know, I'm just a tabman.
Msg #7539 Dated 12:42:42 06-24-91 7503 <--> 7545
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
The magic business must establish a regulatory agency to protect this
stuff. The govt doesn't take care of the music biz, the music biz
takes care of the music biz. There isn't enuff money in magic to
set up a giant hammer, but mmaybe a rubber mallet.
Msg #7542 Dated 13:13:13 06-24-91 -> 7553
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
When I saw Magic for the first time, I had to know "how" it
was done. So I asked the magician if he would teach me.
He looked me up and down and told me, "read a book"
I don`t think we should discorage anyone from pursuing magic.
Just be a little less helpfull to everyone and anyone that asks.
The ones that take the time to -Read that book- are the ones that
have the commitment and the drive nessesary to become a
"magician"
skip
[Origin]: The Mad House Magicians BBS--@1:141/1120]
Msg #7544 Dated 16:04:24 06-24-91 -> 7554
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
I think the issue of restrictions on performance rights for published
and/or marketed magic is one that should be discussed _without_ jumping
into the area of copyright law. For most people I know, the law is
something that is frequently bent or ignored in many areas, and often
has little to do with the specifics of "right" and "wrong" in a given
situation. Too, copyright law is notoriously confusing and frequently
problematic. So, I contend, the discussion is hindered, not helped, by
such referencing.
The basic issue, it seems to me, is that the creator of a work ought to
have the right to decide the conditions under which it is distributed.
This right extends to someone whose conditions are unreasonable; if
you, the potential purchaser, are unhappy with those conditions, you
have the option of not buying (and thus not using) the work.
The above is, of course, predicated on clear explanation of such
conditions up front. Hiding those terms inside a shrink-wrapped book
(e.g., the last Cervon volume) is no good. Posting them on the outside
of the book (e.g., Weber's "Life Savers") is better. The next step is
to make sure that information goes into the advertisements.
My own policy on the thousand-plus items I've released is simple: if
you buy the book/magazine/trick, you have the right to perform it,
where- or whenever. If you don't buy it, it's not yours to do.
But that's _my_ decision. I happen to think that Michael Weber's
restrictions on his new book are somewhat unreasonable -- but it is his
right to claim it.
There was an interview on Arsenio Hall a couple of weeks back, with
Robert Palmer, who told an anecdote concerning his last album. He was
set to record an old Broadway tune (Rogers & Hammerstein, I believe).
The lyrics of one verse had 1940s references that he could not relate
to, so he re-wrote the lyrics. Just before recording, he was contacted
by the songwriters' estate, and told in no uncertain terms that he was
_not allowed_ to record the song with any other than the original
words. So, he had to stick to them. Now, perhaps another songwriter
would be less restrictive, and perhaps this estate was being
unreasonable (after all, this particular song was well known, so the
album-buyer would have access to the original version) -- but it was
their right to be unreasonable.
Perhaps at some point there will be an organization in this country
similar to the French SACEM, which allows routines to be registered.
Until then, I think it's important for magicians to approach this type
of problem from a standpoint of ethical consideration, rather than the
semantic juggling of existing copyright laws.
Years ago, George S. Kaufman learned that one of his plays was done by
a summer stock company, sans royalties. The producer justified this by
saying, "After all, it's only a small, insignificant theater." Kaufman
responded, "Then you'll go to a small, insignificant jail."
Msg #7545 Dated 16:18:57 06-24-91 7525 <--> 7546
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
I was thinking that there might be a way to hook it to IBM/SAM/Castle
membership at the time someone joins. You are right, it wouldn't stop
the bad guys, but it might work for disputes among the good guys.
Msg #7546 Dated 16:21:07 06-24-91 7531 <--> 7547
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Gee... I thought I was adding to it! Sheesh - "killing all the fun."
Msg #7547 Dated 16:28:54 06-24-91 7539 <--> 7563
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
I didn't say government protection - I know better!
Msg #7548 Dated 16:32:08 06-24-91 7511 <--> 7549
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SAT.
Yep - I remember the talcum powder incident. For a while, "Walk this
way" was a standing joke in our office. Then a new employee arrived
with a sprained ankle and she was following me down the hall when I
said "Walk this way..." She told me it was unfair of me to insult her
limp due to her ankle. I had to go find a video to show her that it
was a classic line.
Keep the talcum handy.
Msg #7549 Dated 16:36:01 06-24-91 7520 <--> 7579
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
OK, thanks. Hope everyone at IBM remembers that there will be TWO
MAGIC! sessions! One at 11 p.m. for members to have a chance to meet
and greet each other and one in the afternoon to tell people how to use
MAGIC!
Msg #7550 Dated 16:40:41 06-24-91 7519 <--> 7580
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Ah! Will try to remember the soft fonts! Sheesh! Now the list is
spread across a dozen messages..... I went looking for a little book
to write all this stuff down in today, but I couldn't remember where
the store was.
Msg #7552 Dated 16:42:44 06-24-91 7533 <--> 7560
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NAME IT
Got it - OK, everyone, Pete sez you read it here first!
By the way, can now reveal more of the Inside Magic story -
The new magazine that will replace Inside Magic is called:
M A G I C - An Independent Magazine for Magicians
(Notice - NO ! after M A G I C; nor is MAGIC! affiliated with the new
magazine in any way).
Early issues will include a Tricks section edited by RICHARD KAUFMAN,
Product Reviews by MICHAEL WEBER, and a regular column by MAX MAVEN.
Contributing editors will include EUGENE BURGER, MIKE CAVENEY, MAC
KING, and JIM STEINMEYER, among others.
The one year subscription price is $30 (In the U.S., slightly higher
elsewhere) and there are discounts for 2-year subscriptions. Current
subscribers to Inside Magic will roll over to the new magazine on an
issue per issue basis. During the charter subscription period, new
subscribers and current IM subscribers who sign up for an extra year
(or more) will get a copy of "Square One," a 55-page book that will not
be sold seperately.
Square One, A Collection of Tricks and Essays, includes work by EUGENE
BURGER, MIKE CAVENEY, PHIL GOLDSTEIN, KAZUYUKI HASE, RICHARD KAUFMAN,
KENICHI KUROKI, TOMO MAEDA, JIM STEINMEYER, MICHAEL WEBER, and TOMMY
WONDER. The compiler and editor of Square One is PHIL GOLDSTEIN. I
believe that only one item in the book has been previously published
(perhaps Max can verify this) and full credit is given for that one, "A
preliminary version of the Tommy Wonder essay appeared on the MAGIC!
computer BBS."
I've had a chance to glimpse the book and it looks good - something for
everyone, close-up to stage illusion.
Further information can be obtained from Stan Allen, Publisher/Editor,
M A G I C, 4067 Hardwick, Suite 322-A, Lakewood, Ca. 90712. And I'm
sure that it can also be obtained here on MAGIC! by leaving a message
for PATRICE MOORE.
Msg #7553 Dated 17:09:01 06-24-91 7542 <--> 7558
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SKIP SANSOUCIE (X)
Re: WHAT IF
All depends on how he said, "Read a book." Glad you read the book
though.
Msg #7554 Dated 17:11:12 06-24-91 7544 <--> 7581
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Thank you, Max - both for your message and for your view on rights to
your own material. You have made great contributions to the art with
the position you have taken.
I think we share a concern about the "shrinkwrap" issue in that many
books are sold mailorder. It is only fair if the potential purchasor
knows the rules in advance.
Msg #7555 Dated 17:18:38 06-24-91 7495 <--> 7566
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
I read an easy to do version of the Rollover Aces but can't remember
where. Instead of doing the Zarrow shuffle etc. you do a slop shuffle.
Start with aces on top of deck and ten through king on the bottom.
This easy version is still a nice effect. Do you remember reading
that version somewhere?
Msg #7556 Dated 17:34:02 06-24-91 7537 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.9
Great news Pete. Hae, that's gaelic isn't it?
Msg #7558 Dated 17:34:17 06-24-91 7542 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SKIP SANSOUCIE (X)
Re: WHAT IF
There is so much to be learned by reading. I'm so thankful that my
mom instilled in me the love of good books, fine wine, and oiled
wood. Good books like fine wine get better every year and unlike
wine, a book isn't depleated upon using.
Msg #7559 Dated 17:38:56 06-24-91 7458 <--> 7567
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM
In your new stage illusion show you are working with- are you planning
on producing it, presenting it or what? I didn't know if you still
performed on stage or not. If I am ever in your neck of the woods I
would definitely be interested in lessons or critiquing.
Msg #7560 Dated 17:48:51 06-24-91 7552 <--> 7568
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NAME IT
I remember lookin through a few issues of Inside Magic at the Castle
library and it seemed like it was a publication designed for and
marketed to professional magicians only. Who's working where and doing
what and for how long. The new "Magic" publication sounds like it no
longer is devoted to that niche and is now going head to head in
competition with Genii. If I'm right and the material is no longer
geared toward the working pro I would be interested in subscribing.
Am I right in assuming the new "Magic" is for amateurs like myself?
(Oops! I said that nasty "A" word!)
Msg #7561 Dated 18:02:20 06-24-91 -> 7562
From: RANDY LUND
To: SYSOP
Re: MAGIC3DB
Well the program looks like that old Volkswagen you took part on the
garage floor. Bits and pieces all over and the task of putting it back
together is looking awesome. But good news on industrial strength
version.
.
Books to 32000, bring disk space and no sorts, some filters on
printouts, but more room than Max needs for extensive bibliography and
plenty for even the most ardent collector.
.
For Pete and the tabman, tricks to 1000 for sure and maybe 1500 with
little or no penalty beyond the expected for trying to handle that much
data. Sort and Stats take a lot longer, no surprise, but thats about
it.
.
Three level booking section.
level 1, data on the hiring organization, capacity 100 organizations
level 2, data on a specific booking, capacity 50 booking per org.
level 3, preshow setup information and post show analysis for each
booking.
Reports on this section are not set yet, if you or anyine else has
ideas now is the time while this thing is still somewhat flexible.
Books and tricks are locked in but booking is just starting to be
formed. I'll have it prety well locked in by the 4th and this section
is so complicated that I will not be changing it once I have made some
base commitments as to design, so all you pro's who wnat it different,
speak now or FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.
.
Price is also not set yet, twill depend on how much more work I put
into this beast, any ideas on what you guy's think its worth?
Msg #7562 Dated 18:36:38 06-24-91 7561 <--> 7577
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Sounds like you are really getting a valuable tool built. Will be
looking for it soon (altho I am going to be travelling for a month!)
Msg #7563 Dated 18:37:21 06-24-91 7538 <--> 7565
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
OK, so we start the Magic Trick/Prop, Ideas, plans, Registry.
Magicians join us "The Professional Magician's Society" ?
We do it... someone does it and we make the money?
Msg #7565 Dated 18:37:32 06-24-91 7545 <--> 7569
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
The 3 org's mentioned already exist and already are too political.
Msg #7566 Dated 18:37:36 06-24-91 7555 <--> 7634
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
No, I don't recall the roll overs with slop shiffle? Would like to
know what and where it is.... tanks.
Msg #7567 Dated 18:37:42 06-24-91 7559 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PCAM
NO PLANS FOR ILLUSION SHOW FOR ME...IT IS A TV PREMISE. SOMEDAY.
Msg #7568 Dated 18:37:46 06-24-91 7560 <--> 7572
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: NAME IT
Inside Magic wasn't just for the PRO, though it wasn't TRICK
oriented... it let you know where people were working, so you
might find them and see lots of magic. The book and trick reviews
were excellent and the editorials and opinions/letters by others
all top notch. I am going to miss it, and hopefully the new venture
will not be just ANOTHER MAGAZINE.
Msg #7569 Dated 18:37:55 06-24-91 7538 <--> 7576
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Just realized... we will be laffin' and scratchin' on the East
coast this time (mo o less) tomorrow. Did you get a msg from
Wayne re: Scotty? Hmmmm.
Man, trying to pack light... did I tell you the converter is OK?
Sure hope I don't forget nuttin... going to be on road for a full
month. Will leave my photo equipment on the Left Coast with my
assistant. Will have the camera gear with me at the Hotel de Carlo,
so can do the Coathanger Wilson snaps, and others... Har. I will
have the full mss with me.
Msg #7572 Dated 18:47:44 06-24-91 7552 <--> 7582
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NAME IT
The Tommy Wonder essay is the only item to have appeared anywhere
previously (i.e., on this BBS), and it has been revised and expanded.
Msg #7576 Dated 20:29:56 06-24-91 7563 <--> 7578
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Count me in, I'm all for it. Like the Writer's Guild only The Magic-
ians Guild. We register and am able to give proof of date and have fi
le copy for proof in court that this occured a certain date and it is
certain guy or girl's idea and property. We can have board of direct-
ors meeting this week.
Msg #7577 Dated 20:30:08 06-24-91 7561 <--> 7585
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Cheezse Randy, that sounds great. Good for you to be taking it all
to heart. That sounds good and can't wait to see it. Do you need a
tester, I'll give it a shot.
Msg #7578 Dated 20:30:19 06-24-91 7569 <--> 7587
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Wayne dropped me a note re Scotty,. yes and I appreciate it. I've
been a good ole boy so long that it's a hard habit to break, but
it I'm glad to know the othre side of the pyramid. There's another
side of the oblisque you haven't seen and I'm not at liberty to
spread it around so will have to wait til I see you in the lobby
of the DeCarlo. Am set for Coathanger pics as I'm becoming that
other side of myself more and more. Things are going good at this
end though busy, but I prayed for busy and am thankful. Looking 4ward
to seeing you tomorrow night. CW
Msg #7579 Dated 20:30:31 06-24-91 7549 <--> 7590
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAT.
Both sessions are on the sked and will be publicized I'm sure. You
can be assured that I'll be there or be square. If you forget any
thing I may have one here, but probably not so don forget.
Msg #7580 Dated 20:30:37 06-24-91 7550 <--> 7591
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
It was just four things , I remember that much. To your credit, you
did remember to remind me to remind you. Will give you call tomorrow
and read the list off to you as it's in a pile downstairs and will
surface in the morning.
Msg #7581 Dated 20:30:43 06-24-91 7554 <--> 7592
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
I agree that Max is one of the sharers in magic. That's why his books
grace my shelves and I always read his columns, etc in the various
publications. The new and final SEANCE (ed. Scott Davis will be join
ing us for BBQ) arrived a few days ago and it contains another ex-
cellent idea from his pen. What I don't get is how he finds the time
to do everything he does and still sleep, eat, etc. I wish Max would
write up some of his ideas on time management for magicians and other
persons involved in the business and pleasure of magic as he obviousl
y has a handle on a difficult situation. Also, whatever he does he do
es well but he's a rare breed and it wouldn't be easy to follow in
his footsteps. Peace.....
Msg #7582 Dated 20:29:47 06-24-91 7568 <--> 7583
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NAME IT
Yes...I too hope that the new publication will include the features
that have made INSIDE MAGIC a valuable information resource. If Stan
wants to add stuff BEYOND that...fine...I just hope it doesn't become
a GENII clone. GENII does what it does better than any other
publication...and it keeps getting better...especially Jim Patton's
MAGICANA column! I hope Stan's new format fills a void rather than
competing for GENII's turf.
I guess we'll all find out soon enuf.
'W.
Msg #7583 Dated 20:33:47 06-24-91 7568 <--> 7584
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: NAME IT
I agree with Pete's comments. Inside Magic was a very informative
publication. On the other hand, I wasn't so crazy about some of the
editorials and opinions/letters - but I felt that at least one
publication was providing a forum for such topics, so it was OK. I too
will miss it and I hope that the television coverage, the show
schedules, the news, etc. will continue to appear in the new magazine
format.
Msg #7584 Dated 20:37:28 06-24-91 7572 <--> 7610
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NAME IT
Thank you, Max. That was my understanding. You did a good job on it.
Msg #7585 Dated 20:40:02 06-24-91 7561 <--> 7676
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
I was so impressed with MAGIC2DB that I personally figure anything you
do to MAGIC3DB will be a winner.
Msg #7587 Dated 20:41:16 06-24-91 7565 <--> 7622
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
OK, start the new one and I'll drink a toast to it.
Msg #7590 Dated 20:45:31 06-24-91 7579 <--> 7596
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
If I forget anything, we'll figure a work-around. Don't let Pete drive
you crazy before I get there - I want to help.
Msg #7591 Dated 20:46:12 06-24-91 7580 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: POOTER AND MY RETURN
Super! Call on Tuesday will really help. I think I know where I left
the pencil! Now if I can only find some paper...
Msg #7592 Dated 20:47:15 06-24-91 7581 <--> 7594
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
I took would like to know how Max is so productive. Maybe we can coax
him to give us a few hints here. I suspect that some of it is just
sheer brain power, and, alas, we'd have to take him apart to figure out
how that works.
Msg #7594 Dated 21:02:43 06-24-91 7544 <--> 7597
From: WALTER LOUGHNEY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
You make several good points, and I agree about the problems of trying
to make copyright law the end all for this type of work. After all in
most cases the purpose of purchasing an effect is to perform it, even
if it is just for friends or at a club meeting (insignificant though
that may be)
I have no problem with a performer reserving first right of performance
for himself, such as at a trade show it should be the owner of the
rights to an effect that has the right to perform it over someone else
working the same show who has merely bought the use of the rights.
But I see little to be gained by trying to prohibit someone from
performing when it is not encroaching on the originators rights. As
long as the performer has the rights to use the effect. I can see no
reason to sell an effect without the rights to perform it, other than
to make a fast buck and create controversy.
Where I see the real probelm is in those who "rip-off" the
creations of others for their own gain. This would include those who
copy illusions (a knock off of the "origami" illusion was recently at
a club auction), as well as those who simply copy and market someone
elses effect. This includes both dealers and fellow magi. I know there
are very few completely new effects, but to just use dueces instead
of aces does not make a new 4 card trick. The method, patter, routine,
sequence of moves, etc must also be different
I think the audience's perception of the effect is a key element in
whether it is new or not. With the amount of"improvement" many effects are
marketed with, and the lack of credit often given (not to mention
money) to the originators, I can understand why the creative minds of
the Cervon's and Weber's, et al are concerned about their work.
In magic as in so many other arts, one must produce (or publish) or
or die. Yet to do so immediately invites loss of material and control.
The problem is not with those who are trying to protect their
rights, however awkwardly or inadequately. Rather I think it is with
those who do not care about those rights. For them all the wording in
the world will do no good. Locks are made to keep honest people honest,
and so it is with copyright laws. But the people who are penalized are
the honest ones more often than not.
While some improvement may be made by displaying the "rights" being
sold or licensed on the outside of a package or in advertising, I think
that a more uniform standard is needed. Perhaps this is something that
the MDA and IBM and SAM could jointly address. Although that would not
cover all the "bad apples" it would provide a large starting platform.
I dont think that IBM or SAM membership is necessary to be a
professional performer, or MDA to be a successful dealer, But all the good
ones that I know are in one of those groups. Perhaps it could mean
something more than the fact that someone has a few dollars to pay
dues. We as any other profession need to do a little self policing to
insure minimal ethical standards.
Wow theres enough ideas to fill a book. Comments ?
Tom Locke
Msg #7596 Dated 22:04:06 06-24-91 7590 <--> 7598
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAT.
I am already crazy having crossed the line just a few weeks ago. You
and Pete cannot claim any pripriety here. Am looking 4ward to both
you gents gracing my home and grounds. It's a little messy, but I've
been baching it past few weeks. Traded washing machine time to girl
singer today and she offered to clean up the kitchen which I took
her up on. When Bone Pony showed up to use the studio today, I met
them at the gate with a broom and trash bag so they could clean up
their last mess as I'm tired of cleaning up after them. Weatherman
said heat wave would hold off til we're safe in the Stauffer Hotel
with their A/C so looks good. I've got a little table work to complet
but not enuff to get in the way. Later, crocodyle.
Msg #7597 Dated 22:04:18 06-24-91 7592 <--> 7620
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Well, I've got a brain too, but I can't keep up with mine. I suspect
his secret is in the title of his big book on cards - FOCUS. This
is a true secret of production, the ability to focus the attention
for long periods of time on the job at hand and not to allow the
consciousness to take you down the primrose path. Another magi has
been giving me some subconscious hints in this direction and it is
helping me to get the job done. I greet the day with more excitement
now and look forward to that day's tasks. Just a word from a Master
is better than hundreds of pages from a fool, so I'll shut up...
Msg #7598 Dated 22:17:44 06-24-91 7596 <--> 7612
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
What do you mean that Pete and I can't claim any propriety. I'm coming
armed with non-disclosure agreements and will be WEARING a
copyright/license statement printed right on my T-Shirt. If, and you
must admit there is some slight chance of the possibility, I utter a
profound statement in your presence, even on your property, it is MINE,
MINE, ALL MINE.
Msg #7600 Dated 22:27:15 06-24-91 -> 7613
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MINE
No it is all mine. Every thing invented is mine to use to steal to sell
because I am wonderful.
Msg #7601 Dated 22:27:13 06-24-91 -> 7615
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: LATEST TRIP
Well I'm back from another trip, this time to Washington, D.C. This
has been an exceptionally busy couple of months. When I look back I'm
amazed at how much magic I've been able to squeeze into these last few
business trips. Even on this short trip, I was able to get in some
magic.
First on the list (Monday June 17) was George Daily. George has the
best library I've ever seen. It's not the biggest but it's so well
organized and just so pretty to behold. We talked until pretty late,
mostly about books and magazines new and old. I picked up several
books from him including Paul Fleming's copy of Hoffmann's _Latest
Magic_ with Fleming's bookplate, signature, and notes. He'll be at the
IBM convention, stop by and tell him "Charlie sent me!"
The next night, Tabby and I got together with Bill Wells for dinner.
Our mission for the night was to find Scotty York. We'd gone to his
usual working place, the Fox Hole in Crystal City, but Scotty was not
there. He'd quit on his previous work night (some of the wait staff
had stolen $170 of tip Scotty had on the Ceiling from the "Card on the
Ceiling"). If the management is smart they'll get Scotty back.
Anyway, Bill solved that problem by simply driving us over to
Scotty's house. It's great to have friends in the know! Scotty was a
genuinely nice guy. He set up his table in the living room and
preceded to do several hours of material. All great stuff. His
presentation is excellent. He's obviously thought a lot about what he
is doing and work hardat it. Not only is he technically good, but
he's exceptionally entertaining. We even got a quick chance to see his
library and workshop area. I could have stayed in there all evening!
I think we all had a great time: Tabby and I enjoying the
performance; Bill providing some insightful comments and stories; and
Scotty performing and sharing some of his thoughts and tips.
On Thursday, I got to go over to Darwin Ortiz's place. My good
friend, Tom Gaudette had told me to give him a call. Darwin showed me
some great moves and helped me with my techniques (despite several
previous attempts which only left me with "severe" little finger
cramps, I can know do the Pinky Count although it still needs some
practice). We also discussed books as Darwin has a nice library of
magic and, of course, gambling. He also has some fantastic gaffed
gambling equipment. He showed me several gaffed shoes which were
beautifully made. He also had dice switching cups and tons of dice.
Perhaps the neatest thing he showed me was a juiced deck. I couldn't
find anything despite trying everything I'd heard about juice decks.
I squinted. I had my eyes all out of focus. Nothing. But as he
showed me, the cards were definitely marked!
We also spent quite a bit of time discussing Erdnase and the new
books on Erdnase. His book actually went to the printer before he'd
had a chance to see the finished Busby publication. He doesn't agree
that Milton Franklin Andrews was Erdnase and has some of his reasoning
in his book. Darwin's book is an annotated version of Erdnase with
both historical and technical notes. I won't say too many great things
about it as H&R is selling it. (Small plug: we have both Darwin's
_Annotated Erdnase_ $38.50 and Busby's _The Man Who Was Erdnase_ $39.95
or both for $70 - make up your own mind!) One good thing about
Darwin's book is that it includes the original Gardner article and the
complete text of some of the letters from Pratt. Anyway it's good to
see all the Erdnase material.
Oh Darwin will also be at the IBM convention lecturing. He said
he's going to cover some of the Erdnase material. I highly recommend
it as he can do the stuff - false deals, palming, false shuffles, etc.
Plus he has some very good insights in general.
Well that's about it except for my trip back which was a nightmare
- trip that should have taken 5 hours took over 12, more than 3 of
which I spent in 4 different lines. As Pete would say
AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!
Lots of catching up - more later.
Charlie
Msg #7602 Dated 22:28:03 06-24-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THANKS
Bill just wanted to thank you for dinner and driving and everything
else. It was one of the highlights of my trip. Next time the dinner
is on me and if it's in Houston I'll take to a great Mexican place.
Til later, oh and be careful hanging plants!
Charlie
Msg #7603 Dated 22:28:29 06-24-91 -> 7614
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
Tabman, really enjoyed my visit. Let's do tentatively plan on PCAM
next year. Pete's reports sure got me exicted about going. Wasn't
that Scotty York just fantastic. And Bill, what a guy, next time we'll
have to spend some more time picking his brain. I knew you'd like the
Ortiz book. Hope to send the other new stuff soon. Man, I really envy
you guys going to IBM. You're going to have a blast. As I told you
I'm going to SAM which I hope will be as good.
Charlie
Msg #7606 Dated 22:29:48 06-24-91 -> 7629
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: CASTLE CHRONICLE
What's the scope on the Castle Chronicle? Do you have an extra copy
or is there some way I can get one? I'd kinda like to see it. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #7607 Dated 22:30:13 06-24-91 -> 7630
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: WINNERS
Just got the notes together regarding the Contest Winners at the
recent PCAM91 "Share the Magic" Convention.
Contests, as they have been for many, many years here in the
West are produced under the capable direction of longtime
magician and friend, John Morton.
The results are as follows (in various categories as noted)
and only the first place winners are reported here.
-
Juvenile: Zoli Torkos
Junior: Rigo Torkos
Comedy: Great Granzini
Platform: Roy Zimmerman
Close Up: Phil Ackerly
Novel Presentation: Farquhar & Felicity
Stage Act: Farquhar & Felicity
Showmanship: Farquhar & Felicity
Best Assistant: Felicity
Grand Prix: (NOT AWARDED)
-
As I reporter earlier, I didn't think the level of
competition was that high, although I totally agree with the
awards, and yes I agree no one reached the Gold Medal class. Its
the old story, "Who did you beat!"
However, I do believe in contests and think they are a
valuable part of conventions and wish there was a structure for
regional runoffs and ways to get the acts that deserve to enter
the major competitions, but can't afford the travel to make it,
sponsored by their local wins -- much like the Soap Box Derby.
And, with 140 entries in the FISM competition... I will be
in heaven!
Msg #7608 Dated 22:31:04 06-24-91 -> 7617
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Max recently mentioned, in his conversation of the "Too Perfect
Theory", Tamariz's "Theory of False Solutions" from his book. While I
have the utmost respect for Tamariz and think the book is great, I've
always had a problem with the theory. According to the theory, you
construct tricks so that all possible solutions that a spectator might
come up wiht have been considered and somehow "blocked", if you will.
In this way, any solution a spectator starts to believe has a hole in
it and thus in the end the spectator, according to the theory, is left
with no choice but to believe that the trick was accomplished by real
magic. Tamariz has you go way out of your way to put these false clues
in to lead spectators down wrong paths. My problem with this is that
on numerous occasions, I've had spectators tell me that they know how
I or some other magician did his trick and then proceed to tell me a
solution that just wouldn't work. Not only wouldn't it work but the
solution isn't logical in light of how the trick was presented. In
other words, they've ignored one or more of these false clues. Some
spectators what to figure it out so bad that they jump on the first
semi-sensible solution they come up with despite the fact that you
could point to some minor point they missed or ignored that would cause
their reasoning to fall apart. They are basically looking for a
solution, right or wrong, so that they won't have to believe "the
magic."
Charlie
Msg #7610 Dated 22:42:53 06-24-91 7568 <--> 7625
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NAME IT
I was talking to a pro the other day and he said Inside Magic was the
ONLY magic magazine he subscribed to and he will miss it sorely. From
what I understand the new Magic magazine is not an expanded version of
Inside Magic but a more general type of magazine to appeal to a wider
audience.
Msg #7612 Dated 23:04:17 06-24-91 7598 <--> 7632
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAT.
Well, what I meant was, no clam of propriety in my total insanity.
Msg #7613 Dated 23:04:21 06-24-91 7600 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MINE
Agreed, unless I give it away first.
Msg #7614 Dated 23:04:25 06-24-91 7603 <--> 7649
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
Hey Charlie, same here as always is good hanging out with you. I am
enjoying the Darwin book, though I wish he'd of had a chance to read
The Man Who Was Erdnase by Whaley, Gardner, Busby so he could have
included comments about it in addition to all the other stuff he had
to say. I really appreciate your thoughtfullness in carrying all the
way from the lone star since you knows I'm an Erdnase fan. Wayne
is thinking about a trip to PCAM next year too so we should do it.
We'd have a great time, I know. Tell Scot Wells I really enjoyed
his piece in the Houston Magic News this month as usual, and agree
with him. Thanks for giving me a call. Til next time......
Msg #7615 Dated 23:32:46 06-24-91 7601 <--> 7628
From: JIM SISTI
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: LATEST TRIP
Charlie. . .any chance of you getting me a copy of "Versatile Card
Magic" by Frank Simon? I'd appreciate any help.
Msg #7617 Dated 23:21:37 06-24-91 7608 <--> 7621
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Charlie...
I think the audience member mentality of which you speak is of a small
minority. Tamariz's "Theory of False Solutions" is, to me, truly
profound and designed to "bring in" all but those few audience members
who would shrug their shoulders even if you managed to transform the
person seated next to them into a 300-pound jelly doughnut! There are
almost always going to be those who will tell their friends that you
performed that killer matrix with the aid of strings and mirrors. I
don't think one should structure his or her act to please the
occasional "derrier vent."
Of course, no one theory is universally applicable. If we must speak
generally, however, Tamariz's approach is one of the foundations of his
miraculous work. I've seen him get extraordinary results with it, I've
seen others get mediocre results without it and I've experienced a
direct correlation between more powerful results in my own work and my
humble but sincere efforts to apply the principles outlined in "The
Five Points of Magic."
Certainly, few would argue that Tamariz is one of the greatest living
magicians...and some would only argue with my qualification, "one of."
The "Theory of False Solutions" and his thorough and consistent
application of it is arguably one of the main sources of his magical
power.
'Wayne.
PS - PCAM next time for sure!
Msg #7619 Dated 0:08:47 06-25-91 7521 <-
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TIME
Thanks! Will be looking for it. I was curious
if your really moving just so's you can get a
bigger library to hold all those books?
Msg #7620 Dated 0:09:15 06-25-91 7597 <--> 7627
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Sorry to disappoint you, but my time management skills are dreadful and
in general I tend to be woefully disorganized. Your flattering
assumptions are, however, appreciated.
Msg #7621 Dated 0:17:27 06-25-91 7608 <--> 7631
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
The Tamariz theory is not new; Juan is perhaps the first to formalize
it. As I previously commented, it is by no means universally
applicable, but in its proper use it is designed specifically to
respond to the very problem you describe -- the spectator who, for
whatever reason, chooses to approach magic as a puzzle which must be
solved.
The key point is not simply that the spectator is led down an incorrect
path, but that when the path suddenly dissolves (or, if you will, when
the sprinklers are turned on) there is a sudden "disconnect" which in
a sense forces the spectator to abandon the solution-seeking approach,
and redefine the perceived situation as other than solution-oriented.
It is a delicate theory to put into practice, but it has its merits.
Msg #7622 Dated 0:30:09 06-25-91 7538 <--> 7623
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
What about restaurant magic. It's intimate, but not quite a show...
I assume this would not be a justified, amateur usage.
Msg #7623 Dated 0:31:09 06-25-91 7545 <--> 7624
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
You would probably be able to shame many people into signing the
statement, and this in turn would influence their actions. The more I
think about it, the more I think it would be a real good idea. Still
have the feeling there are some funky legal questions.
Msg #7624 Dated 0:32:52 06-25-91 7576 <--> 7633
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Pete--
Arbitration org would be separate. Signing the arbitration agreement
would merely be a condition of joining the three orgs, not really
making them any more political.
Msg #7625 Dated 0:35:05 06-25-91 7582 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: NAME IT
Sounds pretty exciting to me!
Msg #7627 Dated 0:47:11 06-25-91 7544 <--> 7637
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
How do you dicuss the idea that "the creator of a work ought to have the
right to decide the conditions under which it is distributed," without
jumping into the copyright area? By going into the ethics of it, which
I submit are even more unenforceable than copyright law? Are you, by
suggesting that it would be helpful to avoid copyright law discussion,
implying that there really is no protection under these laws?
I just don't know how you discuss an intellectual property issue,
without discussing intellectual property law. Sure, it's basically an
ethical issue, but that's what laws are supposed to be based on. If
there's no copyright issue here, let's define that, and look atother
ways of offering the creator protection. And if what Weber is doing is
not only unreasonable in the opinion of some, but not within the
allowable bounds of the law, then I think people should know that as
well -- specifically so that they don't feel their creations are
protected, when in fact they may not be.
Msg #7628 Dated 1:04:07 06-25-91 7601 <--> 7652
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: LATEST TRIP
Nice to have you back, Charlie. Thanks for a great report - I've got
to go get a tissue, I'm drooling.
Msg #7629 Dated 1:06:25 06-25-91 7606 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: CASTLE CHRONICLE
This is going to sound stupid, Charlie, but I'm frantic right now
getting ready for trip to IBM and MAGIC! lecture. If you will send me
another message about the Castle Chronicle after the 4th of July, I'll
be more than happy to send you a copy. Sorry for the delay.
Msg #7630 Dated 1:08:16 06-25-91 7607 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WINNERS
Thanks for the report, Pete. You did some killer work at PCAM and you
did MAGIC! proud. See you mannana.
Msg #7631 Dated 1:10:31 06-25-91 7608 <--> 7647
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Sometimes I think that spectators who propound weird theories are
hoping that you will, in turn, "spill the beans."
Last weekend I had a man come up to me after a show and tell me that he
was always unhappy when he found out how simple something in magic was.
He mentioned levitations as an example and how dissapointed he was to
discover that it was done with HUGE MAGNETS in the floor and above the
stage and that the subject wore metal bracelets. I didn't point out to
him that it was impossible, nor did I mention that even if it were
possible the slightest move on the part of the subject would cause them
to either crash to the floor or hit the roof with stunning force.
After all, he also told me he was a science teacher!
Is it really possible to eliminate ALL possible "theories?"
Msg #7632 Dated 1:17:30 06-25-91 7612 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAT.
Oh, yeah. In the sort of company you are gonna have, insanity comes
under "joint tenancy with rights of survival."
Msg #7633 Dated 1:21:17 06-25-91 7623 <--> 7646
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
(I do not pretend to be a lawyer, nor do I offer or dispense legal
advice). So far as I, a legal layman, know, you are perfectly free to
enter into any binding arbitration agreement that you wish. It is done
in business all the time - as a matter of fact, it is a standard part
of my contracts. Certainly, it would be possible for someone to still
challenge the outcome and to proceed with a civil suit, but they would
be likely to be on weaker ground. I think that a board of magicians
really could be made workable to hear magician's disputes.
Msg #7634 Dated 2:05:16 06-25-91 7566 <--> 7639
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
David Neighbors has a variant of Dingle's "Roll Over Aces" using the
slop shuffle called "Easy Over Aces" from his lecture notes,
"Innovation".
Msg #7637 Dated 2:15:07 06-25-91 7627 <--> 7641
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Ethics are, as you note, what laws are supposed to be based on -- but
not what they actually are. By all means, in a discussion of control
options for the inventor of a piece of conjuring, eventually the
realities of existing law must be brought in. My contention, however,
is that the ethical questions ought to be sorted out first.
Msg #7639 Dated 5:32:01 06-25-91 7501 <--> 7662
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
That's funny! I heard Downs actually went out to perform the Miser's
Dream without loading the coins once. But that he went through the
entire presentations without the coins, and no one was the wiser!
Msg #7641 Dated 5:38:19 06-25-91 7544 <--> 7645
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
I agree with Max. People are acting like there is no way to deal with
the problem of others using your material, when, to a large extent,
there is. If you don't want others to use it, don't sell it to them.
Beyond that is registration. In my opinion, the best organization to
set something like that up would be the IBM.
Msg #7642 Dated 5:57:42 06-25-91 -> 7664
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: ALL
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Since I do most of my reading as the screen zips by, I don't always
catch every word. I was under the assumption that Weber's statement
was only on his lecture notes, not his book.
It's on his BOOK as well?
I know performers who have business cards that say "Your table is my
stage". A lawyer can make it seem like ANYPLACE you perform you are
creating a piece of theater. The value of these items are that they
can be performed anytime, anyplace. But now you're telling me, anytime
and any place IF I go call Weber first? If I have time to call him, I
have time to get my deck stacked for Roll Over Aces, so why bother?
Msg #7643 Dated 6:02:06 06-25-91 -> 7648
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
This goes back about 8 or 9 years, but Max told me about a back burner
project concerning potential. I haven't heard him mention it since
then, but it had such a wonderful title, I won't tip it without his
permission. Is this project still alive, Max?
Msg #7645 Dated 7:15:37 06-25-91 7620 <--> 7654
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Gee Max, you're disorganized too. I'm glad to hear it. I wander all
over the house trying to remember why it is I'm wandering around and
what I originally left the office or shop to look for. Help is coming
my way at least. Gloria is coming back from LA and going to take
over so I can wander in peace.
Msg #7646 Dated 7:15:45 06-25-91 7622 <--> 7656
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
There are pros who work restaurants and make their living from this
venue, which is a growing field for those brave enuff to risk going
to their audience, rather than wait for the audience to come to them.
Msg #7647 Dated 7:15:51 06-25-91 7631 <--> 7650
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Giant magnets, now thats a chiller.
Msg #7648 Dated 7:15:55 06-25-91 7643 <--> 7684
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Have you read or heard of Frank Wallace's Neo-Tech I & II which must
have been his Ph.D. disertation under the title Psychous Sex. I just
ran across a copy of II (I was on "neo-cheating" at poker) but never
gave it much time. It's about the size of Abbott's catalog. Would be
interested in Max's essay (or ??) on potential....
Msg #7649 Dated 7:49:41 06-25-91 7603 <--> 7651
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
No comment as to where you are going instead of IBM. Great report
on a great trip. I leave in 20 minutes for ONE MONTH. Adios.
Msg #7650 Dated 7:49:47 06-25-91 7608 <--> 7653
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
I feel outs, theories, etc. make no difference to me. I don't
claim to be supernatural and hope the folks have a good time, laff
a lot (pick up the tab) and think I am one highly skilled magic
dude!
Msg #7651 Dated 7:49:57 06-25-91 7614 <--> 7665
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
HOld it a sec tab.... the Ortiz thing is A BOOK, not a magazine,
I don't think he should read another's on the same subject to
counter, etc. he probably would have come to some "strong" but
irrelevant conclusions based on trying to OPPOSE Buz.
Msg #7652 Dated 7:50:06 06-25-91 7615 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: LATEST TRIP
You can read mine, but it don't leave the house!
Msg #7653 Dated 7:50:10 06-25-91 7617 <--> 7655
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
If you work long enough, in the right venue, you can turn someone
into a 300 lb. Jelly Donut. Ditto on Juan.
Msg #7654 Dated 7:50:17 06-25-91 7620 <--> 7659
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Maven's secret is "he can type rather fast".
Msg #7655 Dated 7:50:24 06-25-91 7621 <--> 7660
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
I like "when the sprinklers turn on" WHAT A GREAT ANALOGY!
Msg #7656 Dated 7:50:31 06-25-91 7622 <--> 7657
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
If you GET PAID you GOT PAID. Just call Weber if you are using his
stuff. He'll probalby say, "GReat, and here's a new handling!"
Msg #7657 Dated 7:50:38 06-25-91 7624 <--> 7661
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
But a Political Org will have judges and make judgements based on
biased feelings. Besides, search my thread about the Ethics
Committee boss stealing material! 99.785-percent of the members
of magic organizations have NO IDEA WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Msg #7659 Dated 7:50:52 06-25-91 7627 <--> 7666
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
OK so the books should cost $500.00, that might help.
Msg #7660 Dated 7:50:58 06-25-91 7631 <--> 7669
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Gosh, I am shocked that the Magnets and Bracelets secret leaked.
Msg #7661 Dated 7:51:05 06-25-91 7633 <--> 7668
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Wait.... HARRY ANDERSON can have MAGICIAN'S COURT on TV... we
arbitrate by each guy doing his version of the trick... wow,
where is my agent, got to go, almost going to miss my plane to IBM.
Msg #7662 Dated 7:51:13 06-25-91 7634 <--> 7663
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
OK, SEND IT TO ME. Well, you brought it up. Don't Photocopy it,
that is hazerdous to your health. Later.
Msg #7663 Dated 7:51:19 06-25-91 7639 <--> 7709
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
I can believe it.
Msg #7664 Dated 7:51:24 06-25-91 7642 <--> 7673
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Weber's book warning is different. It roughly says you can do this
material any time any place in any IMPROMPTU situation. Not a
structured pro show, tv, etc. The material is on IMPROMPTU magic,
and he wishes to keep it that way.
Msg #7665 Dated 9:05:20 06-25-91 7651 <--> 7698
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
Well, he did it and commented on lots of other stuff both old and new
on the subject. Since he felt it necessary to agree and disagree with
other stuff I don't think it's fair to the Busby theory that it got
left out. That's the one point that I disagree with Ortiz. His con-
clusions disagree with the Whaley,Gardner,Busby book anyway. Even the
stuff that Martin Gardner contributed to the Ortiz book is counter
to what Gardner contributed to Busby.
Msg #7666 Dated 9:05:28 06-25-91 7659 <--> 7682
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
And you wooden have to sell nearly as many copies.
Msg #7668 Dated 9:18:45 06-25-91 7661 <--> 7680
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
You've got a good idea there, Pete! HARRY ANDERSON'S MAGICIAN'S COURT!
Hmmmm... You're on that plane - guess that gives me time to call my
agent...
Msg #7669 Dated 9:21:39 06-25-91 7647 <--> 7670
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Yeah, no doubt Gauss is turning over in his grave. Giant magnets.
Msg #7670 Dated 9:23:37 06-25-91 7660 <--> 7672
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Yeah, me too. I was saving the magnets and bracelets for an elephant
levitation I was planning.
Msg #7671 Dated 10:21:04 06-25-91 -> 7675
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: NEW STUFF
Thanks for teaching me some new stuff. It's nice to learn from someone
who is both knowledgable and has the patience to work with me until I
get it down. I think your a great cardman. Thanks for the help. I
also enjoyed the opportunity to peruse you library. A nice collection.
I have a lunch engagement at 11:30, but may try and drop by this
afternoon. Will call first though. Thanks again. MIKE.
Msg #7672 Dated 11:34:38 06-25-91 7653 <--> 7679
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Yes, but if word got out that you turned someone into a 300-pound jelly
doughnut, you'd probably wind up being forced to perform your show
24-hours-a-day...and you'd always have a lot of cops hangin'
around...drinkin' coffee.
'W.
Msg #7673 Dated 11:40:07 06-25-91 7642 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Heh, heh.
'W.
Msg #7675 Dated 13:42:10 06-25-91 7671 <--> 7717
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: NEW STUFF
No problem.
I know the guy is talking to himself all the way back to Mexico City
about the 7D.
Anything doing for Fri noon?
Msg #7676 Dated 15:01:43 06-25-91 7562 <--> 7677
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
No problem, won't be ready before sept at the earliest.
Msg #7677 Dated 15:02:34 06-25-91 7577 <--> 7678
From: RANDY LUND
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Doesn't hurt, I usually wring em out pretty well, but V3 is almost a
complete rewrite, only the interface isn't changing, but the full data
structure and philosophy has so an outside work out probably is a good
idea. I'll contact you when she's ready to go.
Msg #7678 Dated 15:05:22 06-25-91 7585 <--> 7706
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Thanks for the compliment....Randy
Msg #7679 Dated 15:07:09 06-25-91 7631 <--> 7686
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
FUNNY story!
Msg #7680 Dated 15:08:31 06-25-91 7633 <--> 7681
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
What I'm wondering is, if membership in the three orgs mentioned werre
seen to constitute some kind of professional advantage, and that
signing the arb agreement was a requirement of membership, that might
create something funky. Dunno, though.
Msg #7681 Dated 15:10:10 06-25-91 7657 <--> 7700
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Arbitration would have to be done by a panel of SEPARATE, rotating
judges. Usually both sides have to agree on their choice of a judge.
As to the boss' stealing material -- too horrifying to contemplate.
Msg #7682 Dated 15:12:10 06-25-91 7637 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
I agree. Perhaps I think there is more agreement than there actually
is?
Msg #7684 Dated 15:57:58 06-25-91 7648 <--> 7685
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
I remember ordering that information from Dr. Wallace about Neo-Tech
some ten years ago. I quickly judged the information to be mostly
useless theory. (To put it politely) I requested a refund and after
many unsuccessful attempts I simply threw it all in the trash.
Msg #7685 Dated 16:00:26 06-25-91 7643 <--> 7707
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
I'm not at all sure what you're talking about -- give me a clue, and
I'll be happy to tell you if the project is still alive.
Msg #7686 Dated 16:01:16 06-25-91 7655 <--> 7699
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Old analogy, usually specified as taking place on a garden path.
Msg #7690 Dated 20:28:13 06-25-91 -> 7696
From: RICHARD HART
To: ALL
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
WARNING: The language contained in the following message may
be offensive to some. No, make that WILL be offensive to some.
I may be pushing back the envelope a bit here, but I want to bare
my soul and thus do not want to censor what I write for fear of
offending our more sensitive members.
'Nuff said. Remember, you've been warned.
I'm sick and tired of doing everybody else's stuff. I take a
personal offense at being considered a "hanger", a semi-pro, a
duffer, a patzer, a nebbish. It pisses me off to no end. The
taste of bile is bitter indeed! If I were to spit right now, I
could burn a hole through Annemann's proverbial five-foot shelf.
Not that it would be any great loss, mind you. Seventy-five percent
of my library is crap. Hell, eighty percent of the Castle library
is ca-ca. I give 'em the extra five percent 'cause they've got
waaaay more books and videos than I gots.
I ask you, are they libraries, or cemetaries? If magic is
supposed to be a "living" art, where th' hell did all these
skeletons come from?
I don't know exactly why the apple fell out of the tree and
conked me on the noggin' bringing to life this sudden realization;
perhaps mid-life crisis, perhaps 39 years of guilt, hubris, and
once too often palming OUTTA the collection plate. Perhaps the
hoochee-coochee girls of fate have done gone and golden-showered me,
Boss...
"Oooh! Have you seen so-and-so's new book? That stuff-it-in-the-
thumb-tip-bill-switch is too cool! And what about that new
handling of Cervon's version of Goldstein's extension of the
Jenning's variation of the Professor's handling of Hofzinser's
selected card revealed ploy? And I'm sooo glad they included
the patter and presentation tips. Why, I'd be lost without 'em!
I've got that reverse-imp-shuffle move down pat now, after THREE
hours of practice. I demo'd it at my local club meeting, and
everyone said it was the nicest move they'd ever seen! They also
said my presentation really added to the effect. I had the book
photocopied and made into 3 x 5 cue cards to help me learn the
patter..."
Deja vu? Ipecac time, no?
Hell, I'm as guilty of this grave robbery as anyone. In fact, I'd
venture to guess that at one time or another in our careers,
we've ALL been caught with our hand in the cookie jar. No great
sin in that, we had to start somewhere. Hiding under drawn-up
blankets late at night, flashlights illuminating the wonderous
pages of Hugard and Braue's, The Royal Road To Card Magic, or
perhaps a back-pocket-creased issue of Annemann's Jinx.
Studiously silent lips mouthing the words of mystery, still hands
muscle-memorying Kelly's bottom placement upon a real invisible deck.
Time passes. In the interim, something goes terribly wrong! The
Pros sound the alarm. "The Art is dead", they cry. "Too many
bad am-a-turz!"
Want to know why? Too much is written. Plain and simple.
Books detailing every single nuance of presentaton Books that
codify and document each lick and swindle, making it extremely
easy for the bumbling hordes of hydrocephalic Saturday savants like
me to think that three hours of practice and rote memorization will
take the place of a lifetime of performance. Ah yes, pablum for
the Common Man. And these arcane secrets are cast forth like
bread unto the waters of the ignorant masses and yet the cry goes
up when Iggy Magi does the stuff, and does it poorly? Who's
kidding who here? One hand is actively writing a book of tricks,
while at the same time the other us slapping us silly for actually
having the gall to attempt to DO those very same tricks. Well,
what IS the sound of one hand slapping?
Why, if it isn't fitting and proper to do someone else's old stuff,
print these routines? Maven intimates that it isn't for the
money. What then, I ask you, for the love of the art? Or is it for
the DETRIMENT of it? Is having a routine in print the ultimate in
ego gratification or is it instead, a sublime insult to the craft?
In this case, maybe those neophytes who study the past ARE destined
to repeat it.
No wonder poor Iggy butchers your stuff. He's been masterfully
set-up to fail. He does everything he's been told him to do. He's
learned all the lines, mastered all the moves. And he takes one
step on stage and shatters like a glass goblin. Some magician!
Ah, but thankfully there's a new book coming out next week.
Maybe the tricks in this one will be better?
But will a new version of the Ambitious Card routine really help
Iggy out? Another dove production? A fancy Harbin illusion?
Nah. You know it. But does Iggy know it? Sadly, no.
So what does Iggy need? Let's return to the graveyard for a minute
and take a look around. Remember that 75% crap figure? Over here.
It starts somewhere around Abbott and continues on to Zarrow or
thereabouts. Hard-core magic. The Kama Sutra of conjuring. Like
absinthe, very addicting--and to Iggy and his ilk, also very
deadly. Iggy Magi doesn't need another Baker's Dozen. He don't
need 67 ways to palm a card. What good does it do him to be
shown the complete explanation of Dingle/Ammar Roll-over Aces?
He's so far up the creek at the moment that it'll take him years
to drift back down. When he finally does float by, he's gonna need
your help. Lots of it. Kick him in the ass if needs be, but at
least get him headed in the right direction!
How? More theory, less tricks. You don't give a three-year-old
Kant's Critique of Pure Reason and expect 'em to read and
understand it. Gotta teach 'em the alphabet first. Tiny steps for
tiny tots, you know. And so it is the same for the Iggys of the
magic world. Iggy needs to be taught technique. Have timing
slammed into him. Grooming, poise, voice, ACTING. Don't you dare
show him a card trick! Instead, write something that will do him
some good. Show him how to be creative, how to develop his own
stuff. You want to help magic? Sit down and write about YOU.
Tell us how to go about creating new routines. How to script.
How to develop a character. Where to look for new ideas. Perhaps
if Iggy is bombarded by these real works, some of it will rub off.
Magic may not survive unless you start writing about real magic.
Think about it.
Msg #7691 Dated 20:36:41 06-25-91 -> 7703
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: ALL
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
I'm looking for any information on a source/vendor/etc. for a
headset microphone. I need one that will link into a wireless mike,
transmiter that will hook onto belt, any help?
Msg #7694 Dated 20:44:30 06-25-91 7190 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Jerry, I plan to put up a new book list as soon as the conventions are
done. There are several new titles available including the new Weber
book Lifesavers. During convention time I have trouble getting stuff as
all the suppliers are at the conventions.
Msg #7696 Dated 21:00:28 06-25-91 7690 <--> 7702
From: WAYNE POWERS
o: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
I'd like to lock Iggy in a room for a few months with food, water and
a copy of OUR MAGIC.
'W.
Msg #7698 Dated 21:01:51 06-25-91 7665 <--> 7713
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
Well el tabbo I would argue with you here on MAGIC! but since
we are both sitting in the Old Principal's House NERVE CENTER, I
can give you a ration of S**T right here.
Espcially since we look out across the meadow, glasses filled to
the brim with "good" Vodka, and THERE IS A FULL MOON, we'll let
the rest of the world wonder what we are REALLY UP TO!
Msg #7699 Dated 21:02:00 06-25-91 7672 <--> 7726
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
When we som eday really meet, ask me to tell you aboutthe Sherif
in San Diego and his real life story in a Winchell's Donut Shop.
Msg #7700 Dated 21:02:07 06-25-91 7680 <--> 7701
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Belonging to a major magic organization and a half a dollar will
buy you a cup of coffee.
Belonging to anything guaranatees you nada, nuttin honey, etc.
Msg #7701 Dated 21:02:13 06-25-91 7681 <--> 7723
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Many years ago, in Vodvil a guy set up a business for comics to
send their material in to him to "register" so that the arguments
could be solved by BEING FIRST registered. So what hapened? After
the guy got a file cabinet full of great comedy material, he sold
it in manuscript form!!!! Arrrrggggghhhhhhh.......
Msg #7702 Dated 21:02:22 06-25-91 7690 <--> 7719
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
Nice message Dick. You said in 3,000 words what I once took
three photos to describe.
Msg #7703 Dated 21:02:27 06-25-91 7691 <--> 7704
From: PETE BIRO
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
Who do you think you are Janet Jackson. I think the HIP hey look at
me I have a mic on my face sucks. Its OK for air controllers and
folks yoiu don't look at, but don't distract the audience with a
POS (Piece of S) device when what you want to be is just heard.
Sure Tabby pours a stiff drink, but some of the best words come
from those dead drunk... and it really is the full moon over
Charlotte Hall tonight....
Msg #7704 Dated 21:10:10 06-25-91 7691 <--> 7735
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
Try any music store. Shure Bros. I think makes what you're looking 4
if not Shure then Telex.
Msg #7706 Dated 21:10:28 06-25-91 7677 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC3DB
Well, I've got more to do than I have time right now anyway, but am
usually ready to help a MAGIC! bbser if need arises. Am certainly
looking 4ward to your new and improved MagicDB. Best...
Msg #7707 Dated 21:10:33 06-25-91 7684 <--> 7708
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
I don't know why I kept the book. I guess its because I paid some
thing for it. Do you want it?
Msg #7708 Dated 21:15:22 06-25-91 7648 <--> 7746
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Not an essay. As I understand it, a book.
Msg #7709 Dated 21:15:55 06-25-91 7663 <-
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL AMMAR
I guess he had to shake the bucket a lot!
Msg #7713 Dated 21:25:24 06-25-91 7698 <--> 7744
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
Just what constitutes "good" Vodka?
Msg #7714 Dated 21:28:50 06-25-91 -> 7753
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
I've thought about what effect the current output of books might have
on the field. For one thing, it seems we would have the ever growing
illusion of a performing middle class. All these people who no longer
considered themselves beginners, because they knew how LOTS of stuff
was done. But it would become difficult to graduate from that class,
because EVERYONE knew how lots of stuff was done. Knowing how MORE
stuff was done, unless it was lots and lots more, wouldn't do it.
To move to the next plateau, I think, you would have to learn WHY stuff
was done a certain way. Learning more about Who, What, When, Where,
and Why would be the lessons that hold the key to going beyond How to.
Msg #7715 Dated 21:40:36 06-25-91 -> 7748
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGICF
One other thought does occur to me. Imitation may not be the key to
success, but don't dismiss it out of hand. Unless you are a prodigy,
imitation plays an important role in the learning process. It's part
of what helps you figure out what works, and why. Now, how long you
want to spend on the learning step of imitation, that's another thing.
Stay too long, and you limit your growth. It's become a stopping
stone, not a stepping stone.
Msg #7716 Dated 22:28:23 06-25-91 -> 7749
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: MORE PCAM
Pete has reviewed the convention nicely but I would like to add
a few words about my experiences at P.C.A.M.
Conventions are a trip for me as I have never attended a magic
club meeting and am not a good magic schmoozer. I spent most of my
free time up in my room reading Eugene Burgers work.
I arrived just in time for Mr. Burgers spirit theatre. I am sure
this performance was very disappointing to some magicians, thats
how good it was. I was in awe.
I really felt that the Friday gala show was pretty weak over
all. The Watson act and over long tribute to Moi-Yo Miller
contributed to this, but the weakness of the closing act killed it
in my opinion.
Tom Ogdens pre-caffeine lecture was great. I found him funnier
at the lecture than he was in performance the night before.
The Saturday gala show was much stronger. Chuck Fayne cracks me
up. I learned from watching him and Stan Allen that comedy works
well delivered at a slow pace. I have a tendency to rush my comedy
work.
Jade was simply dazzling. She has such a likeable presence that
the audience really roots for her. She killed.
I confess that I was listening to Stephen Minch's lecture with my
eyes closed. I was too tired but I felt an obligation to myself to
attend as well as to the lecturer for doing a non-trick lecture.
Among the highlights for myself was the Inside Magic Live. I would
like to see one every day of the convention. I must say that I
felt a great number of people were uncomfortable when the
controversy started roaring. It seems that many magicians want to
bury their heads in the sand instead of resolve issues. I believe
the path of least resistance is what is taking magic down the
wrong road.
Like so many others I resisted the urge to barge in on famous
people in show business whose work I respect. But I finally
cracked and approached a celebrity. I told Eva Gabor how much I
enjoyed her work in Green Acres. She was so sweet and what a
lovely accent. But she kept insisting that her name was Irene
something or other.
Msg #7717 Dated 22:41:21 06-25-91 7675 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: NEW STUFF
Well, I called and set up an audition for Friday the 16th of August.
It was the first available date. Hope you'll be back from Europe then.
I don't have plans fro this Friday noon, if that is what your asking.
Will probally "do lunch" at the Castle. May drop- by tomorrow. I
will call before i come by. MIKE.
Msg #7719 Dated 23:18:38 06-25-91 7690 <--> 7721
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
"The multitude of books is making us ignorant." -- Voltaire
Msg #7720 Dated 23:36:11 06-25-91 7388 <--> 7755
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF
Enjoy your trip! Great to finally meet you, too. Don't know if you
heard this around the convention, but a couple of the magi, who were
inspired by Weber's variation on the wallpaper gag, pulled the basic
wallpaper gag in Poppy's, and the waiter got upset until they
explained.
Msg #7721 Dated 23:39:33 06-25-91 7690 <--> 7728
From: T A WATERS
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
You make some interesting points -- although you sound as though you've
been reading too much Harlan Ellison -- I would, however, observe that
having to wade through the crap is one way of weeding out the less than
dedicated. Also, given the volume of magic in print, that means there
is still a hell of a lot of good material that never gets performed.
Also, it is necessary to know what's been done to keep from
re-inventing the wheel. Santayana said that those who do not remember
history are condemned to repeat it -- I say that magicians who DO
remember history can't f***ing wait to repeat it! One reason to find
out what the greats of the past did...
...is so that you can do something different.
Msg #7723 Dated 0:36:21 06-26-91 7701 <--> 7733
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
Argh is right. And it sounds like you and Tabby are having FAR too
good a time.
Enjoy, gentlemen!
Msg #7724 Dated 0:40:20 06-26-91 7516 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: END OF...
Regarding Becky, she did 2 passes with the line 'That's my favorite
trick'. Then later did it one more time (therby establishing the
flow). When she brought it out the 4th time and it turned into a
cane - it was a killer.
.
I think maybe one more time with just the silk would reinforce it,
but hey its her act.
.
Find out what the mag is made out of. Sounds like a monster.
.
Starting the count down - leave here midnight Fri arrive 7:45 am.
Msg #7725 Dated 0:40:32 06-26-91 7517 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCAM DAY 2
Agreed - I know guys who charge $ 50 for a show and they really give
the art a bad name. They will never move out of this venue and they
believe they are 'Pro' magicians. Its sad, but true.
Msg #7726 Dated 0:40:36 06-26-91 7647 <--> 7751
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
It just points out how naive most people are about physics and the
way the world really works.
.
It's impossible to make a routine fool proof. Fools are too ingenious
in coming up with really goofy solutions.
Msg #7727 Dated 0:40:41 06-26-91 -> 7738
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: RDMAGIC TRICK
I just completed the trick part of RDMAGIC (AKA IMP). You create
a file DUMMY.MSG, which contains the prediction part. e.g.
"By the way the card your friend picked is the 7 of diamonds".
.
As you use RDMAGIC to move through threads using the right arrow,
all you have to do is hit the + (next to the right-arrow) and the
next msg will be displayed with DUMMY.MSG appended to it.
.
You could force a card and after failing to find it, go to the
computer and start reading msgs, when you come upon a thread which
has a forward pointer you can hit -> to bring it up, the next msg
can be retrieved using + right next to the ->, it looks the same.
The next msg is displayed with the contents of DUMMY.MSG added to the
end. I'll bring a copy to IBM for fun.
Msg #7728 Dated 0:53:10 06-26-91 7702 <--> 7729
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
Really? Send me those pics, Pete, I've an urge to see em!
Msg #7729 Dated 1:22:17 06-26-91 7696 <--> 7745
From: RICHARD HART
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
Perhaps Iggy doesn't deserve the food and water.
But, dear sir, WHY do you recommend that Iggy be locked in a room with
"Our Magic"? Is it your postulation that this one book alone will cure
Iggy of his ills?
Msg #7731 Dated 2:02:41 06-26-91 -> 7739
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: SAM IN VEGAS
Is anyone coming to the SAM convention in Las Vegas, or have they spent
all their money at PCAM and IBM? I know of two of us that will be
there. Be sure to bring your MAGIC! badge so we can find each other.
David (the other one)
p.s. for David (SYSOP) will MAGIC! be presented there? If so, when?
Msg #7732 Dated 3:02:32 06-26-91 -> 7740
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: THEORY
MAGIC!-NL Wed 26 Jun 91 02:47
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Concerning the title of the "too perfect"theory, I do not know how
things are at your side, but I think it has not yet become as common
a term as for instance"misdirection", which wwould probably also be
better off if it was called "direction". The word misdirection is
impossible to change at this time, but do you think it is too late
to change "too perfect" into something else...?
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #7733 Dated 4:16:52 06-26-91 7680 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PCAM91.957
It would be interesting to persue.
Msg #7735 Dated 4:21:48 06-26-91 7691 <--> 7757
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
No immediate help, but I'm looking for a good wireless mike!
Msg #7738 Dated 4:28:36 06-26-91 7727 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC TRICK
OK, see you at IBM. I'm trying frantically to get ready - have very
early flight.
Msg #7739 Dated 4:29:41 06-26-91 7731 <--> 7743
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SAM IN VEGAS
Alas, the MAGIC! lecture will not be presented at this year's SAM. Nor
will I be able to attend. Hope you will be filing some good reports to
keep us all updated.
Msg #7740 Dated 4:42:04 06-26-91 7732 <--> 7760
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: THEORY
Just a couple of days ago I was discussing the problem with the word
"misdirection," which most magicians do not understand, in part because
the word is no good.
I'm not sure if it is too late to change the title of the "Too Perfect"
theory. Probably not; most magicians have never heard of it...
Msg #7742 Dated 5:56:34 06-26-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SLOP SHUFFLE ROLLOVER ACE
There is a slop shuffle version of Rollover Aces in Apocalypse Vol 8.
#9 by Ray Mertz.
Charlie
Msg #7744 Dated 11:29:32 06-26-91 7713 <--> 7752
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
I can tell you this, it was good last night...this morn I'm not so
sure.
Msg #7745 Dated 11:29:38 06-26-91 7721 <--> 7750
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
Well said, T.A..
Msg #7746 Dated 11:29:43 06-26-91 7708 <--> 7764
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
Is a book a long essay or or series of multiple essays called
chapters, or .............?
Msg #7748 Dated 11:29:53 06-26-91 7715 <--> 7769
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGICF
First we imitate and then we innovate.
Msg #7749 Dated 11:29:57 06-26-91 7716 <--> 7754
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: MORE PCAM
Hi Steve,
Pete told me he ran into the Wine Country Wizard at PCAM. I hope to
make it next year and fwill say hello myself then.
Msg #7750 Dated 11:30:03 06-26-91 7719 <--> 7756
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
"The multitudes are ignorant." -- Plato (Fred).
Msg #7751 Dated 11:30:07 06-26-91 7726 <--> 7765
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
It's all in where you look with your eyes.
Msg #7752 Dated 11:52:46 06-26-91 7713 <--> 7768
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
"Good" Vodka (when Stolichoya is not available) is Vodka that will
fit in your glass.
Msg #7753 Dated 11:52:52 06-26-91 7714 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
Well sed Michael. Tabman, tho I am visiting, is working at your
project and will make deadline NO PROBLEMO.
Why magic, moves, etc. sure is the key. When is maybe even more
important.
Msg #7754 Dated 11:52:59 06-26-91 7716 <--> 7834
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: MORE PCAM
Steve... GREAT VIEWPOINT on the PCAM. There are funny levels of
participation at conventions. There are guys that show up, fo to
all the scheduled events and go to bed. Then there are those that
go to most of the events, but hang out in "select" groups (usually
thier PEERS ie: the GOOD card guys together, the FUNNY guys
together, the MENTALISTS together -- and that is where the creative
juices bubble and boil and they show their NEW stuff to one another.
on a panel with Harry Anderson, Jay Marshall, Karrell Fox, et al,
and the STEALING MATERIAL subject came up (this was in Las Vegas)
and many didn't want to know about it... and a few others in the
audience became EXTREMELY VOCAL, shouting, and just when it began
to get REALLY interesting -- and before anything was really
resolved -- WE RAN OUT OF TIME!
close up at the IBM conventions. The REALLY interested guys, and
the lecturers can keep going all night if they want. No stop set
time. A good panel discussion needs more time.
.
Msg #7755 Dated 11:53:18 06-26-91 7720 <--> 7865
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: STUFF
Yeh, the wallpaper gag (which has been around for a long time, is
a Killer... the best paper to use on wallpaper is brown wrapping
paper... it LOOKS LIKE THE BACKSIDE of wallpaper.
Msg #7756 Dated 11:53:25 06-26-91 7728 <--> 7766
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
They, along with the check, are in the mail! Har.
Msg #7757 Dated 11:53:29 06-26-91 7735 <--> 7771
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
The only One I have had experience with is VEGA, but Tabbarro
just said SHURE BROS., and TELEX are good uns.
The main thing you need to know... they ain't cheap. Don't get
trapped (LIKE I HAVE SEVERAL TIMES) by thinking the little units
that you tune an FM receiver to will do it. Anything in the $400
to $500 range won't cut it either. You gotta figure at spending
around $1,000.00 buckaroos.
I am assuming this message is for Dennis Pierce, tho it is labeled
from David L. Regading my comment about the Janet Jackson headset
mike... unless you are doing a sketch or have a reason to have the
OBNOXIOUS mike visible like she does don't do it... it will detract
from what you are performing. If you really only want FREE HANDS,
there is nothing wrong with just having a clip on your body that
holds the stand mike. They almost all come off and can be made
into lavalier mikes. DON'T BUY ANY OF THE CHEAPO mike clips you see
sold by magic shops. Go to a large music store and buy the SHURE
BROS. clip. It is a chain around your neck with a holder combined
with a "tie clip" arrangement that hooks into your shirt. They have
a cople of versions. The one I have is barely noticeable. And after
a few moments the audience will forget you have the Mike hanging
on your chest. I at first thought I would have trouble with the
cable, as I move all over he place. But, only a few shows and I
not only learned to keep the cable inits place, but it was
automatic,and I never had trouble with it. It becomes second nature.
Msg #7759 Dated 11:54:02 06-26-91 7739 <--> 7761
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM IN VEGAS
Dear friend Vanvranken. Tabman tells me you have a script file to
log onto MAGIC! Is this anything that can be passed around? P. Biro.
Msg #7760 Dated 11:54:08 06-26-91 7740 <--> 7762
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: THEORY
Yea, the "Too Perfect" line is all I ever hear when I work. And
Misdirection. I think that word is little understood. The best
case of BEING misdirected was seeing Blackstone (SR) at the finish
of "The Drum That Can't Be Beat" -- where he, centerstage, produced
a Live Donkey! No apparatus, just Blackstone, center stage with
an armload of silks.
The how? As the long silk streamers were pulled out of the drum,
which was elevated, center stage, the streamers were brought to
the sides of the stage by assistants. Then, JUST AS THE GIRL popped
out of the drum, the assistant at stage right went offstage and
covered the (medium size) donkey with silk, picked it up and just
walked center stage, where Blackstone and the girl had moved
forward to take their bow. Blackstone noticed the guy standing
there, took the load of silks, shaking them out AND JUST UNCOVERED
THE DONKEY. Boy if you don't think that blew my eyeballs right out
of my skull!!!!!!
Msg #7762 Dated 15:06:38 06-26-91 7760 <--> 7774
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THEORY
Sorry to disagree, Pete, but it's exactly this sort of trick that leads
to a misunderstanding of misdirection. Yes indeed, it was a successful
application, but when you use this as an example of misdirection it
only leads people to think of misdirection as "making people look away"
-- and that's not what it's about.
Msg #7763 Dated 16:53:35 06-26-91 7731 <--> 7772
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SAM IN VEGAS
Make it three people, as my wife and I will also be at the S.M
convent
Msg #7764 Dated 17:01:58 06-26-91 7707 <--> 7777
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
No thanks I don't want the book. It was a shame that a tree had to die
to make those pages. Its best use now is to tear the pages out, wad
them up and start logs in the fireplace with them. My copy is taking
up valuable space in a landfill somewhere.
Msg #7765 Dated 17:07:35 06-26-91 7699 <--> 7775
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Are you suggesting that we meet in a Winchell's Donut Shop so you can
tell me the San Diego Sheriff story? Or....that we meet in San Diego
the tell me the Winchell's Donut Sheriff story? Or...
'W.
Msg #7766 Dated 17:11:33 06-26-91 7729 <--> 7773
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
If Iggy can both read AND understand...perhaps, so. OUR MAGIC should
be required reading for all magi...on a recurring basis!
'W.
Msg #7768 Dated 19:14:50 06-26-91 7744 <--> 7778
From: RICHARD HART
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
You get that way too?
Msg #7769 Dated 19:16:42 06-26-91 7748 <--> 7783
From: RICHARD HART
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGICF
Unfortunately, most of the time, innovation is really stagnation.
Msg #7771 Dated 20:25:16 06-26-91 7757 <--> 7776
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
Mark Leveridge is marketing a universal mike clip that is adjustable
for all "house" microphones and has the same clip arrangement. He's
getting around $40.00 U.S. for it.
Msg #7773 Dated 21:20:28 06-26-91 7690 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
Will Iggy really be interested in books on theory. He's been
conditioned to buy books than are loaded with 'new' tricks. You see
Iggy measures his magic ability by HOW MANY TRICKS HE CAN DO, not
how well he can do a few VERY WELL.
.
Someone mentioned that a 'pro' only does a few tricks VERY well,
while an amateur does A LOT OF TRICKS poorly. The 'pro' can do the
same thing over and over since he essentially has a brand new
audience with every performance.
.
Poor Iggy on the other hand has a captive audience of his family,
friends, magic club buddies, and business associates. He must
continually learn new tricks so that he doesn't bore them with
the same old stuff, he can bore them with new stuff.
.
Is it any wonder that Iggy buys every new book, everyone's lecture
notes, the latest whiz bang trick from the mail-order dealer. If he
is to continue in magic, WITHOUT trying to become a professional he
has no choice, but to continue this course, or seek new audiences
to do the 6-8 really dynamite effects he may be capable of.
.
Iggy isn't interested in theory, he is interested in learning more
tricks, new tricks, so that he can continue to entertain his limited
audience. It is laudable that you ask the 'pros' to write books
about theory and help Iggy towards the path of the true magi, the
question is WILL IGGY GO ALONG WITH THAT PATH ?
.
Unfortunately, history is against that happening. The entire
structure of the magic community is geared toward meeting the
NEEDS THAT IGGY HAS, which is to enjoy magic and entertain his
limited audience to the best of his ability - not everone has
the desire or ability to become a truly great magi.
.
Why not let Iggy enjoy his hobby and continue to support the
pros by buying all the latest greatest ?
Msg #7774 Dated 21:21:06 06-26-91 7762 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: THEORY
We didn't LOOK AWAY, we looked at the center of interest... and the
ability to sneak someting on aat the time.... to me was excellent
"cover".... me and tab just joined by Lichtman here at Tab hq. later.
Msg #7775 Dated 21:22:23 06-26-91 7765 <--> 7785
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
No whenyou in san fran.... we talke....burp
Msg #7776 Dated 21:23:13 06-26-91 7771 <--> 7779
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
I bought an English clip and it was nomore than a toy. Trust me get a
SHURE. It was made frm the kind of clip a mop is held by.. I think
it was roy roth in England...
Msg #7777 Dated 22:09:15 06-26-91 7764 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PERF. RIGHTS
The real shame is that the guy, Dr. What'shisname mad a lot of money
off of it. Oh, will send it to Iggy as he is looking for theory.
Msg #7778 Dated 22:09:19 06-26-91 7768 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: BOOKS ET AL
Evidentally.
Msg #7779 Dated 22:09:24 06-26-91 7771 <--> 7791
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
Same thing at Radio Shack (made by Shure Bros) for less.
Msg #7780 Dated 22:50:36 06-26-91 7342 <--> 7781
From: WILL HENDERSON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Hi Wayne-Thanks for the info regarding Joe Berg...sorry to hear the
news, but suspected that might be the case. Yes, I still live in L.A.,
but am gearing up for the big escape when the time is right. Thanks for
the welcome! Will
Msg #7781 Dated 22:53:39 06-26-91 7351 <--> 7782
From: WILL HENDERSON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Hi Pete-Thanks for the reply to my question regarding Joe Berg...fond
memories of a great person. I recently acquired a copy of "The Berg
Book" and am catching up on the history. Thanks again-Will
Msg #7782 Dated 22:56:55 06-26-91 7357 <--> 7786
From: WILL HENDERSON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Thanks for the welcome Terry...am looking forward to some fun and
enlightening times on the MAGIC bulletin board! Will
Msg #7783 Dated 0:11:32 06-27-91 7769 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGICF
Or could stagnation really by innovation?
Msg #7784 Dated 0:14:39 06-27-91 -> 7802
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: ?
Why?
Msg #7785 Dated 0:43:33 06-27-91 7775 <--> 7788
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Hokay....jes' got back from the Cassle....It's goin on one
o'clocckick...I've been up since 4AM...had a 6AM calltime this morninnn.
so....Hokay...whatever you say...we'll talk in san fran later....
...are we there yet?...urp.....hhick....arooooph....g'nite.
Msg #7786 Dated 0:49:56 06-27-91 7780 <--> 7787
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: WILL HENDERSON (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Will...we're ALL gearing up for the big escape when the time is right!
'W.
Msg #7787 Dated 10:36:27 06-27-91 7786 <--> 7793
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Not me Kemosabe... hey, I don't know if you are aware of MAGIC!
housecalls, but the beloved SYSOP is here in Tabman World HQ.
making a housecall... he has the Tab's computer all over the floor,
installing new bits and pieces to make it a fool proof 9600 bauder.
We are here at The Old Principle's House, looking over the multitudes
of tomes in the old Oak Bookcases, sitting in the panelled library,
listening to the hum of the woodwork going on in the TABWOOD room,
making some new secret and wonderful devices for the performance of one
of magic's greats at the coming FISM.
OOOOO I just heard a weird sound followed boy an OWCH from the
illustriious installer of electronic stuff of which I don't understand.
However...ous Got to get movin' as I is on someone elses
NICKEL... HAR,NO ARGHS HERE...
Msg #7788 Dated 10:40:51 06-27-91 7785 <--> 7801
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Wen is you gonna be in San Fran? I be back from Euorpe and LA July
22-tooth? be in tuch
Msg #7789 Dated 11:39:17 06-27-91
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: S.A.M. COVENTION IN LAS V
I am looking for someone who is driving to the S.A.M. convention in
Vegas next week. Would like to find a ride. Would be willing to help
with gas. Please, if anyone can help, advise as soon as possible.
Would like to go Tuesday, as to attend the opening night of Lance
Burton's new show. Thank you. MIKE KING.
Msg #7791 Dated 12:36:27 06-27-91 7757 <--> 7811
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
Thanks for the info on the mics, Pete. A grand is a bit more than
I wanted to spend, especially since I need two... Guess I can
just walk downstairs and talk to you about it.
Speaking of walking downstairs -- Tab's "Old Principal's House" is
really something, for those who haven't seen it. Four stories on
several acres. Right now I'm up in the library - there is something
very nice about being surrounded by these thousands of volumes of
magic lore, the Cedars of Lebanon walls (only seen one other house
in the World with that wood - cut right, like it is here, you can
see the face of a lion in it), and the glow of the computer screen.
Msg #7793 Dated 12:36:47 06-27-91 7787 <--> 7797
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Looks like we got the Tabman set up to coexist with the 9600, so
maybe now we can continue to leave it up and running. No problem
with him interfering with progress any more.
Biro has been showing us some great stuff (I had to say that, he
is hanging over my shoulder right now). Practically a mini-
convention going on - phone has been busy with Paul Harris, Channing
Pollock, Topper Martyn and Coathanger Wilson - heck, we may not
even bother going to Baltimore for IBM.
Msg #7797 Dated 15:40:29 06-27-91 7793 <--> 7799
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
I envy you all having your mini-convention in the Old Principals House.
Sounds like you're having a great time at Tabman's world headquarters!
I'll be looking forward to your convention reports. Have fun!
Msg #7799 Dated 16:47:08 06-27-91 7787 <--> 7800
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
We'll be back with more live coverage of activities at Tabman
Central.....after these words from your local stations...
.
'W.
Msg #7800 Dated 16:49:15 06-27-91 7793 <--> 7806
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Sounds really great, David...
...regarding the "great stuff" Pete's been showing you...we'll expect
full tipping of the real work as soon as you can brush him off your
shoulder!
'W.
Msg #7801 Dated 16:52:14 06-27-91 7788 <--> 7855
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Right now it looks like San Fran on the 23, 24 & 25th of August.
'W.
Msg #7802 Dated 18:05:05 06-27-91 7784 <--> 7808
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ?
BECAUSE.
Msg #7806 Dated 22:56:11 06-27-91 7797 <--> 7807
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Hi Stan,
I'm enjoying the guys being here at the old mansion. They sure
brighten up the old place. Pete is a great teacher and gave me
an excellent poker routine and it's something I can use and enjoy
for years to come. Dave spent all afternoon getting my computer up
to speed and installing amouse so I could get around better in
Ventura Publisher. All much appreciated.
.
Tonight Scott Davis publiser of the late lamented SEANCE joined us
here for some Brunswick Stew and Paul Harris joined us by phone
and Michael Ammar joined us by fax.
.
One of my dogs, Curley (100 lb Labrador) tried to sleep with Dave
last night and he ended up locking Curley in the bathroom til I came
to his rescue.
.
Regards
Msg #7807 Dated 22:56:28 06-27-91 7799 <--> 7821
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Coverage moves to IBM Conv Hdq tomorrow about noon. See you there.
Msg #7808 Dated 22:56:32 06-27-91 7802 <--> 7967
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: ?
Burt,
Thanks for having Gloria over to dinner at your house. I'm sure
she appreciated it. Take care, until later...
Msg #7810 Dated 23:09:23 06-27-91 -> 7857
From: PETE PERATA
To: ALL
Re: ROLLOVER ACES
I just wanted to say thanks to Jim Sisti, Stan Lace, and especially
Michael Ammar for helping with Michael's version(and a superb
version,at that" of that roll over Ace routine. Thanks for everything.
Msg #7811 Dated 0:18:55 06-28-91 7791 <--> 7816
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
What's the weather like - I have to figure how to pack ?
.
What size disks do you have, I'll probably bring both 5 1/4 and 3.5
will arrive in Baltimore 8:45 am Sat - so you there.
.
PS- Got any Magic! buttons with you, I never got one !
Msg #7812 Dated 4:06:43 06-28-91 -> 7817
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLYER
Thanks for faxing the flyer. The billing is flattering, the text even
moreso, for which my thanks. One caveat: you refer to a "Performance
and Lecture," which may mislead some potential registrants to expect a
formal show, which I will not be doing. Perhaps a better description
might be "extended lecture."
Also, the "rare appearance" might be expressed as "rare appearance at
an American magic convention," as the suggestion of rarity will come as
a surprise to magicians in a couple of other countries...
At any rate, thanks again. Enjoy IBM, and stay in touch.
Msg #7813 Dated 5:55:09 06-28-91 -> 7818
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FUN
I sure hope you guys are having a great time. Look for Scott Wells at
the IBM convention. Later.
Msg #7815 Dated 5:56:02 06-28-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SAM
David, I'm going to be at the SAM Convention. Look forward to meeting
you. Do you know of anyone interested in sharing a room? I've got
reservations for a double room hoping to share costs.
Charlie
Msg #7816 Dated 7:31:37 06-28-91 7811 <--> 7853
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
Jerry, Dave and Pete aren't around right fnow so it's up to me to
tell you it was 100 degrees and muggy in Baltimore yesterday. Looking
4ward to cing U.
Msg #7817 Dated 7:31:43 06-28-91 7812 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FLYER
I'll try to make those suggested changes for the first ad, if I run
outa time it will be a different ad for sept genii. Have been right
up to the wire last month and have to go to IBM ina few minits. Thank
you again.
Msg #7818 Dated 7:31:50 06-28-91 7813 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: FUN
Hey Charlie,
Have fun yo'self. We're doing fine, fried but fine. Talk at you later
on.
Msg #7821 Dated 8:37:06 06-28-91 7806 <--> 7832
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
So Curly was a little lonely and thought David was his (her?) type?
David chose a good timfor a visit as I'm sure you've heard by now we
had quite a strong earthquake. Tentatively spotted at 6 or so. I was
trying to sleep in and I was laying there working through my next show
in my head when- BANG! Show's over! Time to get up! All of my props
and books are still intact, just tilted some pictures. My wife and I
are going to Magic Mountain in about 20 minutes. Any more aftershocks
could make those roller coasters extra exciting!
Just had another aftershock as I write this*&^&%.... Gotta go now,
give me regards to everyone even though they don't know me- wish I was
there....!
Msg #7822 Dated 10:06:15 06-28-91 -> 7825
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: EXPANDING FAN
I am trying to locate a product I purchused at the '82 IBM convention.
I was used by Marshall Magoon at the Magic Castle a few weeks ago. It
consists of a fans of Poker sized playing cards that expand into a fan
of jumbo cards. I remember who it works, but would like to purchuse
one instead of going through the trouble of making it. If anyone knows
of this product, please advise. Thank you,
Msg #7823 Dated 17:45:04 06-28-91 -> 7828
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: FUN??????????????
For the last several weeks there has been a great deal of discussion of
whats wrong with magic.
...too many books
...the wrong kind of books
...too many amateurs
...too many bad performers
...too low standards in clubs
...not enough theory
...too high and mighty attitude on the part of some pros
and i bet if I really tried I could find at least a couple of dozen
other things wrong with magic. So far I have refrained from commenting
on this idea, but tonite I thought I would give it a go..
.
What is wrong with magic is we have lost the fun of it. When I first
got involved with magic I went over to the American Magic Museum in
Marshall MI and spent a very interesting hour with Bob Lund (no
relation although my father is a Bob Lund as well). At the end of the
tour he told me something that has stuck with me so far. He commented
that too often magic is presented as a puzzle and not as a wonderful
mystery (almost childlike). Well it struck me that not only was this
a good idea for a performer presenting magic, but also a good idea for
anyone into magic as well. Right now I practice about an hour a nite
and read magic stuff for maybe another hour. I do this because I have
fun....I enjoy it.
.
I think for any of us if we loose that enjoyment it become a job. I
konw if I stop enjoying what I am doing the stuff will go into the
attic.
.
So here to fun, lift a brew to the poor club member who doesn't have
the God given talents of a Copperfield or an Ammar but who is having a
ball, wish him well, wish the part time pro well, wish the full time
pro well and have fun with it.
Msg #7825 Dated 19:10:28 06-28-91 7822 <--> 7831
From: RICHARD HART
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: EXPANDING FAN
I think the effect you're referring to is "Fan-to-see", created by
Bro. John Hamman. I've been using the thing in my shows ever since
Joe Berg sold me my first one back in '69. I'm not sure anyone is
currently manufacturing them. I've had to make several for myself for
lack of a source. The construction details can be found in Kaufman's
book "The Secrets of Bro. John Hamman". You may just have to break
down and make one or perhaps some nice soul on this board might have
one they're not using...
_richard
Msg #7827 Dated 20:25:38 06-28-91
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: EAST COAST BBS
For what it's worth, I just received information today (unsolicited)
about a new magic BBS in New York City called "Spider Network." It's
run by Richard Robinson and promises to have data libraries on stage,
close-up, magic history and more. It appears to be a subscription-
type thing, but the number is (212) 861-8708. I haven't called so I
don't know. . .
Msg #7828 Dated 20:38:48 06-28-91 7823 <--> 7830
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: FUN??????????????
AMEN!
Msg #7830 Dated 21:15:37 06-28-91 7823 <--> 7861
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: FUN??????????????
This makes me think of the story where the Pastor stopped by the
beautiful farm, and said to the Farmer, "God has certainly blessed you
with a beautiful farm!" The Farmer thought about it and said, "Yes he
has, and I'm grateful for it. But you should have seen the place when
God had it all to himself..."
Msg #7831 Dated 23:16:25 06-28-91 7822 <--> 7849
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: EXPANDING FAN
Ton Onosaka manufactures an adaptation of the Hamman trick, which has
an elastic hook-up which allows the fan to snap open to its larger size
almost automatically. Joe Stevens may carry this; if not, it can be
obtained from Magic Land in Tokyo.
Msg #7832 Dated 23:27:52 06-28-91 7807 <--> 7854
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Looking forward to it!
'W.
Msg #7834 Dated 0:42:40 06-29-91 7749 <--> 7835
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE PCAM
Yo Tab,
It was a real kick. I can't compare it to other conventions
but I had a good time and learned much. Got a couple of
killer effects for the wine act. Nice water to wine effect. I
figure I'm safe cause it was done about 2000 years ago, was
published and is in the public domain. I don't know if I am
being blasphemous by performing this trick but it did wonders
for Jesus' career.
However if we fail to meet in person soon you will be meeting
me by video. You're at the top of the list for a copy of the
new act when it is completed.
I have taken the act three different ways in the last six
months but have finally found the niche I was searching for.
I hope to create a piece of theatre that is out of the
ordinary. Real moody atmospheric type thing. Even going to
experiment with performing a piece under candle light only.
Msg #7835 Dated 0:43:31 06-29-91 7754 <--> 7862
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE PCAM
Pete,
Something strange happened to your last message. Chopped in the
middle I believe. The famous Zig-Zag message.
It was great to see the same topics discussed that have been
tossed around here on MAGIC!. Shows me that this board is
really on the cutting edge of magic communications. Max Maven
was able to bring the discussion back in focus by pointing out
that this is their property and they can be as unreasonable as
they like. I say let the free market rule. If people will buy
their stuff with the conditions attached thats fine.
I would like to see some of these peripheral issues dealt with
and put to rest. Fascinating as the topic was I would have
benefitted more from a half hour discussion on performance
theory.
I would love to see a three day "No Tricks" convention with
none of the lecturers teaching new tricks. Gear it toward
professionals and price it high enough to cover the costs of
the lower attendance. I would gladly pay several hundred
dollars to attend. It could be a Reel Works convention,
dedicated to the few in magic who think. (Recognize that line?)
Another thought just hit me. Maybe the creative guys in magic
should be teaching people to create, not just selling them
creations. I would like to peek inside some of these cats'
heads and see how their minds work. I know how my creativity
blossoms, but it would sure be fascinating to know how it
works for others.
Msg #7836 Dated 4:35:01 06-29-91 -> 7845
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SYSOP
Re: REVIEWS
Just came across the following quotes concerning the Penn & Teller show
currently on Broadway, and thought you might like to have them for your
files:
"A flat-out hit! Brilliantly, amazingly funny! Don't miss Penn &
Teller!" -- Joel Siegel, WABC-TV
"Extremely clever -- wonderfully mysterious. A treat awaits you!"
-- Clive Barnes, NY Post
"Hilarious hustlers at their devious best. Recommended without
reservation!" -- Stewart Klein, WNYW-TV
"Sensational! The coolest show on Broadway!" -- Pat Collins, WWOR-TV
"Very funny, ever-entertaining, and dependably weird."
-- David Richards, NY Times
"Astounding! Everything they do has wit and panache!"
-- Howard Kissel, Daily News
Msg #7838 Dated 6:40:47 06-29-91 7418 <--> 7905
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAIL
Tabman:
The guy who bought the Forks, bought it as a graduation present for
his High School son. The kid likes to party. So, he wants to have a
place for other kids to go. Kinda like a teenage nightclub. They want
to gut the upstairs and make it a big hall. However, the place is so
old and delapidated, it may not be feasible or cost-effective. Plus,
there are problems when dealing with the upstairs about meeting the
building codes.
Several magicians have contact the kid. I guess in an effort to make
him aware that they would be available!do magic if his plan doesn't
work.
Did you get my message aboud D.C.? Sorry I missed the chance to make
a connection with you while there-3`PH! .
Msg #7839 Dated 8:41:05 06-29-91
From: MARTY SHAPIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: LECTURER WANTED
Hey Mike thanks for the lead on Doc Eason.. I personally got his tape
and I don't buy those much, so I saw him a bit. Saw you in there too.
Hope things are going ok for you these days. See you, marty
Msg #7845 Dated 12:59:43 06-29-91 7836 <--> 7848
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: REVIEWS
Gee...I wonder how those quotes read IN context!
Heh, heh.
'W.
Msg #7848 Dated 17:40:27 06-29-91 7845 <--> 7879
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: REVIEWS
Judge for yourself. One or two may be pull-quotes from softer reviews,
but most of them are clearly 100% raves.
Msg #7849 Dated 17:41:14 06-29-91 7825 <--> 7850
From: MIKE KING
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: EXPANDING FAN
Thanks alot, Richard. I really have been looking hard for this. The
tip about the Br. Hamman book is a great help. I really like to usre
them as a finale to my manipulation routine, but have misplaced mine
over the years. MIKE.
Msg #7850 Dated 17:43:47 06-29-91 7831 <--> 7860
From: MIKE KING
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: EXPANDING FAN
Thank you sir. I am glad to find the response I have obtained by using
the BBS. I think it is an excellent way to do just this. Pass
information and spread magic. I am very happy to hear from you Mr.
Maven, sir. I have always admired your wrtings, as well as work.
Thanks alot. Hope i can return the favor sometime. MIKE.
Msg #7853 Dated 23:07:18 06-29-91 7791 <--> 7858
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
I just saw a Vivitar Wireless mic in use at THE ibm AND IT seemed
just fine. talke to me... arhg
Msg #7854 Dated 23:07:24 06-29-91 7799 <--> 7856
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
There are only NETWORK stations at El TAbbo HQ!
Msg #7855 Dated 23:07:28 06-29-91 7801 <--> 7881
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Remind me about a week before you come North.... see yah....
Msg #7856 Dated 23:07:33 06-29-91 7806 <--> 7859
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Yah, David just ain't the REAL ANIMAL MAN WE IS....
Msg #7857 Dated 23:07:38 06-29-91 7810 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE PERATA (X)
Re: ROLLOVER ACES
The ULTIMATE rollover aces is the one I am working on utilizing
a deck switch. Whcih is easier.
Msg #7858 Dated 23:07:44 06-29-91 7811 <--> 7863
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
My disk is 7.35-inch
Msg #7859 Dated 23:07:49 06-29-91 7821 <--> 7877
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Just park your hard drive in Earthquake territory.
Msg #7860 Dated 23:07:54 06-29-91 7822 <--> 7947
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: EXPANDING FAN
Invented by Bro. John Hammann. Kovari makes the best one in London.
I have a set of nothing to jumbo. Starting with mini cards finishing
with cards about 10-inches high. Miht sell, but not going to be
home til about 24 July.
Msg #7861 Dated 23:08:01 06-29-91 7828 <--> 7864
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: FUN??????????????
I still have fun. It is in the heart of the beholder.
Msg #7862 Dated 23:08:06 06-29-91 7835 <--> 7904
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: MORE PCAM
Most would walk out of that kind of conclave... folks wanna see
tricks they have not seen before.
Msg #7863 Dated 23:08:11 06-29-91 7791 <--> 7893
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
Gee David... I guess I am going to be fired over this. But I lost
the list of IBM Gold Medal contest finalists. Off the top of my
head the finalists are?
Jonathan David Bass (was 2nd at Desert Seminar)
Les Au, bird act from Hawaii
Nowlan Craver, funny, funny guy
A fellow whose last name is "STRANGE" did manipulation
The guy that did the great original amazing act with the TV set.
Vladimir, from Siberia (RUSSIA) WHO FOOLED EVERYONE WITH TRICKS
NO ONE IN USA HAD EVER SEEN BEFORE.
Sorry I don't have all the names... been having too much fun and
I lost the list.
Was a KILLER pre-MAGIC! meeting tonite... can't wait to see the
size of the crowd tomorrow!!! Gonna be big time.
I think I am getting too old for this stuff. Still have migrane
headache (it is after 2 aYEM AND WAS AWAKE this morning at 4:30
with aforementioned headache... Arrrrgggghhhhh, must be the suit
and tie!
Msg #7864 Dated 23:14:52 06-29-91 7823 <--> 7867
From: EVAN KATZ
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: FUN??????????????
Most of us got into magic as a child. I suspect that our continued
interest has at least something to do with recapturing not only that
feeling of child-like wonder at seeing magic as a wonderful mystery,
but with recapturing childhood in general.
As to all your well wishes, all the power to you.
Msg #7865 Dated 23:36:11 06-29-91 7755 <-
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF
I'm going shopping tomorrow, and I think I'll try Micheal Weber's
version when I go...
Msg #7867 Dated 3:14:34 06-30-91 7864 <--> 7889
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: FUN??????????????
It is not at all the basis of my interest.
Msg #7868 Dated 7:47:42 06-30-91 -> 7874
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: THE MESSAGE NUMBER TOMMY
MAGIC!-NL Sat 29 Jun 91 03:47
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
The thing with Juans theory is not so much that it can prevent
people to come up with explanations completely. But as Max said so
well in message #843, it can bring them out of the solution-finding
state during the effect. Many people actively search for trickery
during the effect. This is bad, and I think Juans theory can help a
lot to have people abandon this search.
Your problem, that in spite of al do with
that later is largely out of our control, and I do not think we
should be too concerned, since we gave them what we intended to
give, the magic! I do not think our primary goal should be to
prevent people from coming up with solutions to our trick from now
till eternity, although it would certainly be a lot better, but when
we can provide them with the experience of magic, wwe cannot do a
lot more, I think that in that case we have done our job. But if
they come up with solutions during the trick, if they detect
trickery during the effect............then juans ideas may be can
help us.
Kind regards, Tommy..
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #7872 Dated 8:01:01 06-30-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: TAMARIZ' THEORY
CHARLIE RANDALL
TAMARIZ'S THEORY
MAGIC!-NL Sat 29 Jun 91 03:47
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
The thing with Juans theory is not so much that it can prevent
people to come up with explanations completely. But as Max said so
well in message #843, it can bring them out of the solution-finding
state during the effect. Many people actively search for trickery
during the effect. This is bad, and I think Juans theory can help a
lot to have people abandon this search.
Your problem, that in spite of all this people might still come up
with solutions is another matter. Many times the solution is wrong,
and sometimes they might even lie, that they know the secret! But
even in the case they believe their solution to be right, it is not
really important, because this will not happen during the effect but
after. This makes a big difference. When people find a solution,
either right or wrong, AFTER the effect, it does not matter all that
much. First of all they cannot be sure if their solution is a right
one but more important they have had the magic moment. They have
experienced the moment. We gave them the magic. What people do with
that later is largely out of our control, and I do not think we
should be too concerned, since we gave them what we intended to
give, the magic! I do not think our primary goal should be to
prevent people from coming up with solutions to our trick from now
till eternity, although it would certainly be a lot better, but when
we can provide them with the experience of magic, wwe cannot do a
lot more, I think that in that case we have done our job. But if
they come up with solutions during the trick, if they detect
trickery during the effect............then juans ideas may be can
help us.
Kind regards, Tommy..
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Note from SYSOP-NL:
The message number Tommy is referring to is an MAGIC!-NL internal
message number and is not related to the US numbering system.
Msg #7873 Dated 8:02:31 06-30-91 -> 7895
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
All
Iggy does magic
MAGIC!-NL Sun 30 Jun 91 16:02
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Reply to
Message #858 - Echomail MAGIC!-US
Date : 25-Jun-91 20:28
From : RICHARD HART
To : ALL
Subject : IGGY DOES MAGIC
Replies : -> #861
From : Tommy Wonder
So Iggy needs to be kicked in the ass with more theory and less
tricks. He needs to be bombarded by the real works? But what to do
if Iggy runs to the shelter the very moment a little bomb is thrown?
Okay some Iggy's have come to realise that tricks alone does not
help them, they are on the right track, they will read the trick
books as sources of ideas and inspiration, NOT as sources of actual
tricks to do. This is how it should be. One can learn a tremendous
lot , especially from all the little nuances in the tricks, if one
reads the trick-books as sources of ideas and inspiration. There
lies their real value.
What amazes me from the people who realize it is not the tricks they
need, is the continuous cry "teach me the theory, tell me the real
works, tell me how to be creative, etc.". As if this information is
not available. Why complain, ALL there is available to help, has
been out in the open for ages. Why do they cry for more. Do they not
realize there is no more? Bombard people, with what, all the bombs
have already been thrown.
Throw them again and again? Not a bad idea. But one must also be
willing to stand in the open field so that one can be hit by these
bombs. We should not blame the writers of books that they do not hit
us, if we are hiding in a shelter.
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #7874 Dated 8:12:24 06-30-91 7868 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: THE MESSAGE NUMBER TOMMY
See you soon at FISM.... I hope I have not died from NO SLEEP by then.
Pete
Msg #7876 Dated 8:14:05 06-30-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: ARRGGHH
Arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
Don't ever do two conventions back to back. Gad, I will be doing three.
Arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
See how lucky it is to be on MAGIC! You can stay home and sleep!
Arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
Msg #7877 Dated 9:18:45 06-30-91 7859 <--> 7880
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
I had visions of ceiling beams crashing through my computer. No
problem- I remembered to park my hard drive!
Saw some good original magic at the Castle last night. Many magi from
England are performing here in route to the SAM meeting. That fellow
you mentioned from Siberia with that original magic sounds interesting.
Of course, he probably has no one to copy in Siberia so that's a pretty
good inducement for originality. Looking forward to more reports...
Msg #7878 Dated 9:48:14 06-30-91 -> 7882
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: IBM - DAY 1
Whew! Here we are at IBM - Pete Biro, Tabman Crabb, Jerry Burton,
Coathanger Wilson, Gary Plants, David Luther, Harry Blackstone Jr., and
many, many more.
We closed down Tabman Hall (aka Hotel de Carlo, aka The Old
Pricipal's House) on Thursday night with a Bar-B-Que and that
famous Brunswick Stew - incredible!
The Stouffers Harbor Hotel is a big change from the Hotel de Carlo
with its library, magic room (table covered in casino felt, Tabman
can't get a suede hide big enough), Coole Springs (the natural
spring on the Tabman's property, site of the second hospital in the
United States), and private golf course.
The IBM convention started off yesterday morning with the
Preliminary Stage Competition in the Baltimore Ballroom. Tabman
is the stage manager. At 11 a.m. Ron London lectured, followed by
Fantasio. Pete will be supplying the list of Finalists for the
Stage Competition, but I know that it does include Leslie Au from
Hawaii (He and his wife Terri did an incredibly beautiful show, the
close of which includes placing a white cockatoo into a "Hindu
Cage," running in the traditional swords, a flash and they produce
a multi-colored mackaw! - simply gorgeous!), Jonnathan David Bass,
and a surprise performer - Vladimir Perevodchikov of the USSR!
Yes, in addition to magicians from Canada, Australia, New Zealand,
Bangladesh, India, France, Germany, etc., there is a three person
group from the Soviet Union - Vladimir Perevodchikov (1991 All-
Union "Magician Ring" competition Gold Prize Winner), Olga
Ovsyannikova, and one other person whose name I haven't caught.
Vladimir did a very beautiful show, using jumbo cards which would
stay together and come apart, fan, change, etc. It really captured
the audience's attention - not as visual or flashy as contemporary
US magic.
The Dealer Show has (my estimate) some 30 dealers including Howie
Schwarzman, Hank Lee, Joe Stevens, Collector's Workshop, and many
more. Will try to go thru it and describe it in more detail.
The Opening Gala, held in the Morris A Mechanic Theater, featured
Bob Sheets as Master of Ceremonies, Alan Nguyen (a young performer
with some nice oriental touches to his performance), Ralph Fowler
as The Senile Sorcerer (R), Jerry Rowan, Denny & Lee, and Kohl &
Company.
At 11 p.m. we had a MAGIC! Get Together with a chance for MAGIC!
members to meet and greet each other. It was in the program as an
open meeting and approximately 120 people showed up! The big
MAGIC! meeting is scheduled for this afternoon at 4:30 - hope we
fill the Baltimore Ballroom for that one!
Hey! I'm missing shows to get this story filed!
Msg #7879 Dated 10:26:12 06-30-91 7848 <--> 7890
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: REVIEWS
I'll take your word for it, Max.
It does reaffirm my opinion of most critics and the value I place on
their opinions.
'W.
Msg #7880 Dated 10:30:23 06-30-91 7854 <--> 7885
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Network affiliates and even network o&o's must break for local
commercials...
...
...like this one...
...
I have ONE Crystal Fantasy left. The regular price is $139. but if
you hurry...it can be yours for just $110...that's a savings of $29!
If you don't know what a Crystal Fantasy is, go to the files section
and download WAYNE.LST. First one to phone or leave message here gets
it.
...
...and now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
...
'W.
Msg #7881 Dated 10:36:30 06-30-91 7855 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TAMARIZ'S THEORY
Okay, I'll remind you about a week before I come North...
...although it would help if you could remind me to remind you about
two weeks before my trip, ok?
'W.
Msg #7882 Dated 10:43:08 06-30-91 7878 <--> 7884
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM - DAY 1
Don't stop, David....I'm tellin' ya...a laptop with a cellular modem is
the answer!!! Keep typing...keep typing...keep typing!!!
'W.
Msg #7884 Dated 10:55:19 06-30-91 7882 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: IBM - DAY 1
There is a certain problem to this live coverage of the IBM - whenever
I sit down to write up a report I miss something! Maybe you are right,
the next step is to do the cellular modem bit and to write the reports
AS the event is occuring!
Msg #7885 Dated 10:58:47 06-30-91 7797 <--> 7886
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Yes, the mini-convention was really something. The audience for our
impromptu shows included "600 pounds of dog." The Tabman has six
of the most beautiful, most polite dogs I've ever seen - the smallest
weighs 75 pounds, the largest - a combination Labrador/Wimeraner
weighs in at about 118 pounds. The dogs particularly liked the
effects done with food.
We missed you - frankly, although next year's IBM won't be near
The Old Principal's House, I think we should figure a way to get
a hotel suite a couple of days early and have a MAGIC! mini-
convention every year!
Msg #7886 Dated 10:59:17 06-30-91 7800 <--> 7888
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Will try to come home with lots of real work. Biro is incredible,
but, then again, he always has been!
We're now here at the IBM Convention and there is a lot going on.
In order to catch up with my mail, write my MAGIC! report, and get
ready for the 4:30 MAGIC! show, I'm missing a couple of great
lectures. Hope someone can cover 'em for me.
Msg #7888 Dated 10:59:44 06-30-91 7821 <--> 7898
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
I'm just not used to a 100-pound dog in bed. Curly was very nice,
except for a tendancy to show love by gnawing at one's ankles.
I got the earthquake info when Burton's pyramid inverted on the
table here in Baltimore. Confirmed it when I called my wife.
Fortunately, all at MAGIC! World Headquarters remained relatively
stable, although a quantity of papers fell off the conference
table in the Board Room.
I'm on-line right now thanks to BILL WELLS, who brought a couple
of computers to the Convention.
Msg #7889 Dated 11:00:11 06-30-91 7823 <--> 7922
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: FUN??????????????
Let's lift a brew to that club member! All of the "what's wrong
with magic" has left me wondering "what's right with magic?" and
who is working on fixing it. It is easy to carp about the
perceived problems - its another thing to "fix" it or to offer the
level of constructive criticism that we have all said we would like
to see from a critic of any show.
Thank you for your fine message, Randy.
Msg #7890 Dated 11:00:31 06-30-91 7836 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: REVIEWS
Thanks, Max. My original plan for this trip included a stopover
in New York and I might have gone to see P & T. It is very possible
that my view, since I have not seen them live, is jaundiced by
television performances - maybe, like Richard Nixon - they can be
very nice, personable, and charismatic in person, but just don't
come across well on television.
Msg #7893 Dated 11:01:21 06-30-91 7853 <--> 7894
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
A Vivitar wireless mic... Great! Thanks! Will look into it.
Msg #7894 Dated 11:01:27 06-30-91 7863 <--> 7908
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
That was a killer suit and tie you had on! (Rumor: Biro-san was
out to dinner on a BIG DATE). I've heard that you haven't worn
one in at least 7 years and, although it did make your complexion
a bt ruddy and you did sound a bit wheezy, frankly, you look VERY
GOOD in a suit.
I think that between the two of us we have pretty much posted the
list of finalists now. I too crawled in at 4 a.m. but my company
wasn't nearly as pretty as yours.
Right now it is a MAJOR ARGH! I'm missing the John Carney lecture
to catch up on MAGIC! and to get ready for the 4:30 MAGIC! show.
Msg #7895 Dated 11:01:55 06-30-91 7873 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: IGGY DOES MAGIC
TO: TOMMY WONDER
Tommy - Thank you for another great message, this one regarding
Iggy and his friends. Pointing up the reader's responsibility.
Iggy is here at the convention, so I'll pass the info on to him.
I think he is in the dealer's room right now, buying everything.
I'm sure he attends all the conventions in Europe too.
Msg #7897 Dated 14:56:19 06-30-91 -> 7931
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: ABBOTTS 1991 GET-TOGETHER
Abbotts 1991 get together will be August 7-10 this year. I just got
the line up. As published it will be
.
August 7
Lecture-Terry Seabrooke
Performance
MC- Dave Madden
Jason Cunningham
The Troyans
Buddy Big Mountain
Dave Madden
T Daniel
David Seebach
August 8
Lecture-Marvyn Roy
Midnite Lecture - Dick Zimmerman
Performance
MC- Mike Caldwell
Dale Hindman
The Troyans
Earl Ray WIlcox
Mike Caldwell
Blackstone
August 9
Lecture-Karrel Fox
MC- Terry Seabrooke
Mercer Helms
Dick Zimmerman
Vito Lupo
Bob Bloenk
Terry Seabrooke
Jody Baran
August 10
Lecture-Vito Lupo
Matinee
Jim Barron
Hank Moorehouse
Uncle Terry Seabrooke
Performance
MC- Karrel Fox
Cheney and Mills
Senor Rai
David Linsell
Marvyn and Carol Roy
Jeff Hobson
Brett Daniels
.
I plan to attend at least the first three days and maybe the forth. My
25th high school reunion is the 10th in NY so I have a choice there.
Is anyone else from MAGIC! planning on being at the Abbotts get
together this year.
.
Randy
Msg #7898 Dated 15:53:49 06-30-91 7877 <--> 7900
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
I hear Tannen might already have nicked the stuff....
Msg #7900 Dated 15:54:00 06-30-91 7888 <--> 7901
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
I told you I lost the list. Well its good it was that, that I lost,
cuz I also had all the paychecks for the acts ... still got 'em...
Yar... Har... Arr... Tanks to TAbman, who had a dupe list, here
are the finalists...
Tony Chapek -- comedy FILM TO LIFE WITH TV... Not to believe!
Les and Teri Au
David Strange
Nowlin Craver
Jonathan David Bass
Vladimir Perevodchikov
'BIRO PREDICTION.... TADA.... IF a Gold is given it will go to
the first time to someone FUNNY... TONY CHAPEK
Msg #7901 Dated 18:36:42 06-30-91 7786 <--> 7907
From: WILL HENDERSON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Wayne-what if we all end up in the same place?
-Will
Msg #7904 Dated 20:08:12 06-30-91 7834 <--> 7939
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: MORE PCAM
OK, will give it a look and letcha know what I think if you wanna
know. IBM is really great. Bill, Jim, Pete, etc put on a super
event. Talent picks from me....Tony Chapek's TV self and
Sylvester The Jester. Understand that the only talent I basically
get to see is what comes across the hotel stage where I'm stage
mgr.
Msg #7905 Dated 20:08:20 06-30-91 7838 <--> 7951
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: MAIL
Harrison::
Just talked to Ray. Am home for a few hours from IBM Conv to
take care of some business tonite and then get back tomorrow
morning. Thanks for the info on the Forks and sorry we didn't
hook up in DC.. Next time.....
Msg #7907 Dated 20:08:33 06-30-91 7856 <--> 7910
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Didn't I just have dinner with you in Baltimore?
Msg #7908 Dated 20:08:39 06-30-91 7893 <--> 7928
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
Tony Chapek used one in yesterday's contest and it seemed to work
well enuff, though had a tendency to feedback until I rolled some
upper midrange out of it. Not bad though.
Msg #7909 Dated 21:14:16 06-30-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MUSIC CITY CONCLAVE
_________________________________________________________________
I promised to upload this information as soon as the ad went into
Genii, so here it is:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Tabman and The Conjurors Woodworks
Is Proud To Present The
M U S I C C I T Y C O N C L A V E
Magicians' Symposium January 10,11,12 1992
HOLIDAY INN VANDERBILT, NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE
Featuring
MAX MAVEN JOHNNY ACE PALMER PETE BIRO
RAY MERTZ RICHARD HATCH GENO MUNARI JIM SISTI
Call the Holiday Inn at (615) 327-4707 and mention the Magicians'
Symposium for special low rates and extended check out time.
The Conclave kicks off Friday night with a performance and
lecture from World Champion Magician JOHNNY ACE PALMER. Saturday
will feature lectures from The Forks Hotel's RAY MERTZ, PETE
BIRO, GENO MUNARI'S JIMMY GRIPPO LECTURE and JIM SISTI, Editor of
The Magic Menu, who will tell you how you can make a full or
part-time living as a Restaurant or Bar Magician. Saturday night
at 8pm a MAGICIANS' SYMPOSIUM featuring all the Lecturers plus
Panel Moderator PETE BIRO will be held as an Open Forum. To many,
the highlight of the Music City Conclave will be the Midnight
Extended Lecture of MAX MAVEN. Don't miss this rare appearance
for American Magicians by MAX. On Sunday, Brunch will feature
Author and Magician, RICHARD HATCH, the translator of "The Magic
of J.N. Hofzinser."
Charlie Randall, of H & R Magic Books, Houston, Texas, will be
bringing in a ton of new, used, and rare Magic books and will be
also sitting on the SYMPOSIUM panel. Much more is planned for
this magical event catering to the needs of the Magicians living
in the Tennessee Triangle.
SEATING IS LIMITED TO 150 RESERVATIONS ONLY
To register please send your check for $65 per person made out to
Music City Conclave to Conjurors Woodworks, Post Office Box 590,
Charlotte Hall, MD 20622 or call (301)-884-8484 for additional
information.
My goal is to bring an Exceptional Magical Event to the Magic
Fraternity styled after other top events held in Las Vegas and
Buffalo, New York. MCCMS will begin at 10pm CST on Friday and
continue until the 2pm checkout time on Sunday.
_________________________________________________________________
Msg #7910 Dated 21:26:55 06-30-91 7885 <--> 7911
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
This coming November is when I will make my vacation plans for all of
1992. If I can find out the dates by then and if those time slots are
available I will be sure to be there in '92. Keep those reports
comin'!
Msg #7911 Dated 21:30:31 06-30-91 7888 <--> 7927
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
I didn't think the earthquake did any damage here but something odd did
happen. I have a very large Bowie knife that is mounted on a wooden
plaque on a shelf in my closet. It fell off and impaled a joker on the
closet floor. Does that mean something? Seems spooky to me!
Msg #7912 Dated 21:38:16 06-30-91 -> 7934
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BOOK
Nice seeing you at Eugene Burgers lecture today. You said to remind
you to see if you have either an extra copy of "Our Magic" or the Dover
excerpt edition "The Performance of Magic" (?). If so, let me know...
Thanks.
Msg #7914 Dated 22:32:22 06-30-91 -> 7917
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: TOO PERFECT
Here's more food for thought for the "Too Perfect" theory
discussion. The point of this message is that tricks can be too
perfect and have undesirable results.
Rajah Raboid use to present an illusion called "Sawing a Man in
Halves" in which he brought out the top "living" half of the man for
the audience to see. The audience could not believe their eyes and all
panic broke out. The hysterical mob literally stampeded out of the
theater. The illusion had to be dropped because it created too much of
a commotion.
The illusion of the half man was so good because it was real. It
used the Eckhardt twins. Rob was a normal full length person, but
Johnny was only half there, the so-called "half boy". Utilizing the
twins, Raboid was able to create an illusion that was too good for the
audiences to handle.
For more information about this check the April 1962 issue of Genii
and I think Ricky Jay has something about Johnny Eck in his book.
Charlie
Msg #7916 Dated 23:07:36 06-30-91 -> 7918
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: WATSON
Dante, I heard at the PCAM convention that New Zealander Nicole Watson
was going to perform at the magic castle. Saw some of her close-up &
stage work at PCAM, and was wondering if she started yet, and if so,
how is she being recieved? There seems to be a good future in magic for
her & her family. One good thing about her working in CA, we also grow
Kiwis...
Msg #7917 Dated 23:31:27 06-30-91 7914 <--> 7923
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
There's a great feature on Johnny Eck in the
book/mag Pandemonium #3 The Freaks, Magicians,
& Movie Stars issue. Available at most
degenerate book stores everywhere. My issues at
the office if anyone wants an ordering address
ask and I'll get it.
Msg #7918 Dated 23:37:05 06-30-91 7916 <--> 7925
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: WATSON
I believe all the girls did their stage routine
this week with the last show Sunday night. You
may want to check at the Castle.
Msg #7920 Dated 0:17:03 07-01-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: IBM - DAY 2
Wow!!! It's only the second day of the convention and if this
keeps up, I'm going to be out of superlatives.
You'll have to rely on the other reporters for the info prior to
4:30. I was working on magic, MAGIC! and IBM "stuff" until then
so I missed all the good stuff prior to that.
4:30 p.m. - The MAGIC! session - about 175 people in attendance.
We went over how to sign on to MAGIC! and answered lots of
questions. Copies of the _NEW_ PASSPORT TO MAGIC! were available -
40 pages on how to use MAGIC! functions. They were very well
received and, as a result, we collected a bit of cash for support
of MAGIC! (As soon as I return to LaLa Land, we'll announce their
availability - basically, we're asking a $12 contribution toward
the support of MAGIC!).
The session was followed by a short dinner break - pizza in the
fast food court connected to the hotel. The hotel - the Stouffer
Harbor is beautiful - a VERY GOOD choice for a magic convention
(data ports on every phone!).
8:00 p.m. - the "Stars of Magic Gala Show" in the Mechanic Theater.
This was a MAJOR KILLER. PETE BIRO put together an INCREDIBLE show
- "The Magic of the Ed Sullivan Show." The performers had all, at
one time or another, appeared on the Sullivan show. The MC was JAY
MARSHALL. Featured performers included KARRELL FOX (who thanked
us for the get well wishes that the info. on MAGIC! triggered - he
got cards and letters from all over the World), BILLY BISHOP, JOHN
SHIRLEY, ROGER RAY, FANTASIO, JOHN MOEHRING, and MARVIN ROY and
CAROL ROY as "MR. ELECTRIC."
Everyone was in high spirits for most of this one. Many had come
out of retirement for this one (Pete's feat in getting them to do
it was acknowledged) and were really delivering their best for the
show. Everyone was superb. In my opinion the absolute tops were
John Shirley doing his beautiful puppet work as well as balloon
work, Marvin and Carol Roy turning in an incredible performance,
and the absolute show stealer was Roger Ray. There were FOUR OR
FIVE STANDING OVATIONS DURING THE SHOW, it ended with the entire
audience on its feet CHEERING. Unbelievable! Stupendous!
After the show, DAVID LUTHER, BURTON THE BIZARRE, JADE, GARY
PLANTS, and I attended the midnight lecture by DARWIN ORTIZ.
Again, there aren't superlatives. Ortiz did the lecture he does
for casion managers. His card work is something that must be seen.
Burton, David, and I, along with BECKY BLANEY, retired to the bar
where we harrassed waitresses and patrons while DAVID WILLIAMSON
walked someone on all fours thru the bar using a tie as a leash,
yelling "Heel, Dog!"
The last of the evening, about 2 a.m. found GARY PLANTS performing
in the lobby for JAMES LEWIS and David Williamson. Gary does some
beautiful card work - dealing tops, seconds, and bottoms
indetectibly from the same grip.
Like I said, what a day! Now to see what the MAGIC! messages look
like - I hear that Pete left something to harrass me...
Msg #7921 Dated 0:20:53 07-01-91 -> 7943
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: REGARDS
Just saw Ton Onosaka downstairs and he sent regards.
Msg #7922 Dated 0:22:38 07-01-91 7867 <--> 7926
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FUN??????????????
The basis is more intellectual?
Msg #7923 Dated 1:23:28 07-01-91 7914 <--> 7924
From: T A WATERS
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
Actually, the Raboid act with Johnny Eck and brother was so successful
that at the end of the first week Eck demanded more money; when Raboid
refused, the two brothers quit -- at least that's my recollection.
Msg #7924 Dated 1:23:50 07-01-91 7914 <--> 7935
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
The story is fun, but apparently not true. Reportedly, the act got a
strong reaction, but not to the point of panic. Rather, it played with
success for a week or two, and then ended because Johnny Eck wanted a
larger cut, as he could make a better wage working solo on the carny
circuit. Over time, the fact that the act had lasted only briefly
evolved into the "too strong for the public" anecdote.
By the way, Raboid's presentation was to proclaim that he would do
the classic "sawing" illusion using a volunteer from the audience. The
fully-formed twin would come up from the crowd. At the conclusion of
the sawing, the guy would begin to climb out of the box, but a switch
had been made, and it was now Johnny Eck perched on the shoulders of a
dwarf wearing a normal-sized pair of pants. Suddenly, the guy would
split in two -- the legs running off to one wing, while the top half
bounded off in the opposite direction on its hands.
You can see Johnny Eck, bounding thusly, in Tod Browning's movie
(ca. 1931), "Freaks." By the way, Eck died only this past year. His
carny act consisted of him perched on a table, often performing
close-up magic. He retired to the east coast (Baltimore, I believe),
and spent the rest of his life doing paintings on window screens.
Msg #7925 Dated 1:31:01 07-01-91 7918 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: WATSON
No, fortunately they were not booked for the week, just Sunday brunch.
Msg #7926 Dated 1:32:52 07-01-91 7922 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: FUN??????????????
No, if a single word definition is required, try philosophical.
"Intellectual" comes in when analyzing the philosophy, but it's best
not to put the cart before the horse.
Msg #7927 Dated 1:59:52 07-01-91 7900 <--> 7929
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Glad we got the official list, thanks Pete. I didn't get to see
Chapek, although I heard he was very good. But Les and Terri Au
also did very well and I'd like to do a prediction that in the
finals, in the big theater wih more stage lights, they are
also likely to do very well.
Msg #7928 Dated 2:00:09 07-01-91 7908 <--> 7941
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
Chapek used the Vivitar? Darwin Ortiz was using some kind of
wireless to special amplifer at his lecture, but I didn't get
to ask him about it.
Will have to look at some specs when I get back to L.A. - really
need one with a multi-channel feature.
Msg #7929 Dated 2:00:24 07-01-91 7910 <--> 7930
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
You make your vacation plans in November? Must be nice to be
organized. But I will remind you of Max Maven's comment to the
effect that Real Magicians Don't Take Vacations.
Msg #7930 Dated 2:00:35 07-01-91 7911 <--> 7932
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
I asked Burton about it - he had just finished reading me a
paragraph about the sacredness of trees and how one must ask
permission before cutting off a limb to make a rune - he said that
it is important to determine exactly where the Joker was impaled.
Did the center of the blade pierce the Joker himself? Or just the
card?
Msg #7931 Dated 2:22:51 07-01-91 7897 <--> 7994
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS 1991 GET-TOGETHER
I would love to...what's their address?
'W.
.
P.S. - Arrrrrrrgggghhhh!!!
Msg #7932 Dated 2:25:25 07-01-91 7901 <--> 7940
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: WILL HENDERSON (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Will-
Only those who have reservations will get it...
...and I have severe reservations about the whole idea.
'W.
Msg #7934 Dated 2:35:43 07-01-91 7912 <--> 7956
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BOOK
Stan-
I checked and, unfortunately, I gave it away to a young magician at the
Castle swap meet in an effort to nip Iggyism in the bud. Check with
Charlie Randall...I'm sure H&R has copies of both available.
'W.
Msg #7935 Dated 2:42:34 07-01-91 7924 <--> 7944
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
Yes and, being on the East coast, his window screen art was only a
Summer job...during the Winter months, he painted on storm windows.
(Eck!)
'W.
Msg #7939 Dated 6:57:24 07-01-91 7904 <--> 8004
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORE PCAM
You have to turn the clock back and see the show last night. I
can't comment for personal reasons (I produced it) but read the
FROG REPORT!!!!
Msg #7940 Dated 6:57:30 07-01-91 7907 <--> 7942
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
You call Turkey a Dinner -- with Brunswick Stew within 100 miles.
Msg #7941 Dated 6:57:36 07-01-91 7908 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LOOK MA, NO HANDS....
You sed what I wuz gonna say... the Vivitar unit was used by
Tony Chapek (who will be on the stage TONITE....) yARRGHH
Msg #7942 Dated 6:57:42 07-01-91 7911 <--> 7953
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Yes, the Joker WAS NOT THE CARD I THOUGHT OF. Nice Try, Stan.
Msg #7943 Dated 6:57:48 07-01-91 7921 <--> 7980
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: REGARDS
I saw Ton Onasaka upstairs and he said KOMBANWA, SHIBARAKU DESU NE.
Msg #7944 Dated 6:57:54 07-01-91 7935 <--> 7946
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
You guys are resorting to Arrgghh and Har material while we are
away... But that's OK, cuz we're having NO FUN AT ALL. Went to bed
at 4:30 this morning, up at 8 ayem. But could not walk for an
hour and a half. YYYYAAAAAAYYYY -- last night's show will go in
the RECORD book for 5 of 7 acts got standing ovations.
You read it here first but we saw it here firster.
Msg #7946 Dated 9:53:24 07-01-91 7944 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOO PERFECT
I'm glad I wasn't there to see the carnage...the two acts who DIDN'T
get "Standing O's" must feel like sh*t!!!
Yes, I'm happy I was spared being witness to such excessive audience
mob behavior.
'W.
P.S. - So when ya gonna send me the videotape?
Msg #7947 Dated 10:31:27 07-01-91 7860 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EXPANDING FAN
Thanks a lot, Pete. We'll be in touch. Have fun on your trip.
Mike
Msg #7948 Dated 11:13:54 07-01-91 -> 7952
From: MARVIN STERN
To: ALL
Re: HELP
Several months ago, someone posted on MAGIC, what I assume is an old
and standard "Do as I do" effect.
The magician and spectator each have 4 cards, with the spectator doing
what the magi does - turn card over and put on bottom, etc etc.
After all is done, magi does Elmsley showing all cards the same way,
while the spectator has one card the wrong way.
The moves are done again without the magi resetting.
Would appreciate getting the moves. Last day in the office is Tues
so sure would appreciate an early answer. THANKS MUCH.
Msg #7951 Dated 12:28:56 07-01-91 7905 <--> 8006
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAIL
Ok. I presume Ray filled you in on the rest of the Forks info?
Msg #7952 Dated 15:06:31 07-01-91 7948 <--> 7958
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP
Marvin,
I uploaded a paraphrase of "Vernon's Variant" during a discussion
of the Elmsley count. I can't remember the message # so I'm
reloading the description for you. To avoid having a 90+ year old
man chasing you for "using" his routine, I suggest you invest in
"Ultimate Card Secrets" by Ganson where it was published.
(NOTE: Lesson 1 referred to "Twisting the Aces" from "More inner
Secrets", also from Vernon and published by Ganson.)
VERNON'S VARIANT
I've had excellent response with what I would recommend as Lesson
Two, (only after Lesson one is 100% PERFECT!) also from Vernon's
Book (Ultimate Card Secrets). It includes audience participation
(as many as are willing), has built in misdirection, and
emphasizes the importance of rythym in the count.
It goes something like this:
Offer to "teach" everyone a trick (this is my third trick in a
set). Hand four cards to each participant and keep four for
yourself.
Emphasize that the values don't matter, just that they are all
facing the same way (face down).
"Neatness counts!" (excuse for keeping packet squared during the
counts).
"Turn the first card over and place it on the bottom."
"Take the next card and just place it on the bottom."
"Turn the packet over."
"Take the bottom card, turn it over and put it back on the
bottom, turn the top card over and place it back on top."
This sets you up for an Elmsley count (third card face up) and
confuses the daylights out of the others. If done right, they
don't know which way is up!
The odd Elmsley fingertip grip from Vernon is explained by trying
to be "open and fair, with no funny moves" as if you don't even
want to handle them in the first place.
Continue: " Count your cards, you should have one, two, three,
four face down cards." this sets the stage for your Elmsley,
timed to the spoken count while they are counting their own, only
casually observing yours. ( the built in misdirection is GREAT!)
Of course they must have "messed up somewhere, lets's try again."
Don't change the position of your cards! After the count, you
should have face up card on bottom.
Have them straighten their cards and repeat the sequence SLOWLY
and CAREFULLY emphasizing the fairness.
On the counting sequence, while they're watching you even more,
their cards will still have one face up while yours are ALL
(legitimately) face down!
Repeat as necessary! (but not too long please!)
This gets everyone involved and you can have a lot of fun with
it.
There are many variations that can be thrown in. I've been shown
some by Geno Munari and Mike Skinner. Steve Dacri's video has a
gaffed version using a double backer that demonstrates the
audience involvement quite well.
Hope this helps!
David (the other one)
Msg #7953 Dated 15:54:16 07-01-91 7929 <--> 7954
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Making my vacation plans in November is not my choice it's my boss'.
It makes it difficult to do anything on the spur of the moment. I've
had offers of the free use of condos in exotic places from friends who
have changed their plans and all I can do is one of Pete's "ARGH!"
So if I can find out the dates of next years conventions and get those
weeks set aside it will really give me something to look forward to.
Your convention coverage is great- keep 'em coming!
Msg #7954 Dated 16:02:31 07-01-91 7930 <--> 7955
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
The blade penetrated the side of his head making him a Van Gogh on the
bicycle. The back of that card is red... like blood! Hmmmm?
Msg #7955 Dated 16:07:04 07-01-91 7942 <--> 7959
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Pete do you remember the last time you thought of the Joker? Well
there you go, that's the card the knife knew you thought of!
Naw, I don't buy it either!
Msg #7956 Dated 16:10:18 07-01-91 7934 <--> 7964
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BOOK
Thanks mucho for checking for me. Wasn't Burgers lecture something
else? He really hit home when making the comparison between Vernon's
Twisting the Aces and Cutting the Aces. Guess which one I have been so
diligently practicing? Oh well, maybe if I dress it up with suitable
patter I can make it more about "life" as Eugene says.
I thought he had a lot of good things to say in the brief amount of
time (at least it seemed brief) that he spoke. Lost me a bit when he
transcended into the metaphysical stuff. But I just pick and choose
what I can use. I'm looking forward to getting into his book on the
Performance of Close-up M More theory, Less tricks - More practice,
Less tricks, More originality- Less tricks. I think I'm on the right
track!
Msg #7958 Dated 16:37:37 07-01-91 7952 <--> 7970
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: HELP
Thanks much. The directions are of course clear, and the patter
is something that I didn't remember from before. Thanks again.
Msg #7959 Dated 16:39:09 07-01-91 7954 <--> 7981
From: MARVIN STERN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Maybe he was royalty, and therefore it could be a blue-back, for him
being a blue-blood.
Msg #7964 Dated 17:03:18 07-01-91 7956 <--> 7968
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BOOK
You betcha.
PERFORMANCE OF CLOSE-UP MAGIC is really quite a treasure.
It was interesting listening to some of the comments after Burger's
lecture. Some of the trick-addicts were moanin' & groanin' about the
scarcity of tricks in the lecture...clueless Iggys all.
'W.
Msg #7965 Dated 19:39:07 07-01-91
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: GOT IT
The Hofzinzer book from Richard arrived this weekend. Thanks again very
much. It looks great. When is H&R going to upload another list? I
Imagine you have lots to sell since you stocked up at the collectors
weekend.
Msg #7967 Dated 19:44:43 07-01-91 7808 <--> 8008
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ?
It was our pleasure to have her out. You guys out there can't have all
the fun. I was going to have her leave a surprise message for you here
but we couldn't connect again before she left. I had taken the computer
home but forgot the software so we couldn't do it on her visit out to
my house as I had originally planned. Kerry says to give Glo her best.
Wish I could be out there with you guys.
-Burt C.
Msg #7968 Dated 19:53:09 07-01-91 7964 <--> 7969
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BOOK
Just out of curiosity, what do all of those Iggy's DO with all of those
new tricks they learn? After some years they probably forget most of
them. Kind of like a junkie needing a fix don't you think?
I forgot to mention to David about how Eugene rolled his eyes in
disgust at the mention of Superpig and all of those hisses in the
audience towards that abomination. I got a chuckle out of that!
Msg #7969 Dated 23:24:31 07-01-91 7968 <--> 7972
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BOOK
Yes, indeed....
....a tribute to Eugene Burger's good taste....
....he recognizes the repugnant, insulting, bovine qualities of that
horrible, squirting auto wreck on display in front of the Castle.
From the vocal response of the attending magi...it's obvious that
popular demand should force the rapid removal of that mangled, metallic
vision pollutant! It can't be soon enough to suit me.
'W.
Msg #7970 Dated 0:43:34 07-02-91 7958 <--> 7977
From: RICHARD HART
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP
An additional variant for the You Do As I Do routine: start with all
4 cards squared, face down. Spread to show all cards face down, and as
you square, catch a little finger break under the top two cards.
Double lift the top two cards (as one) and turn face up, placing (them)
face up on the bottom. Continue as per normal routine. At the end,
all your cards will be face down.
Msg #7972 Dated 1:32:26 07-02-91 7969 <--> 7973
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BOOK
Not bovine; porcine.
Msg #7973 Dated 4:18:40 07-02-91 7972 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BOOK
Thank you, Max. Porcine; not bovine.
...although, after some thought, and another look at that leaking
junkheap...the word asinine also leaps to mind. In fact, that deformed
pile of scrapmetal brings many words to mind...most of them unsuitable
for display in this forum...just as that eyesore is unsuitable for
display at the Castle entrance.
'W.
Msg #7975 Dated 6:04:28 07-02-91 -> 7976
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: LONG BEACH MAGIC STORE
Anyone know the name and phone number of the magic shop in Long Beach?
Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #7976 Dated 7:56:43 07-02-91 7975 <--> 8000
From: MICHAEL OVERLY
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: LONG BEACH MAGIC STORE
Presto Books and Magic. 5701 Atlantic Blvd. Long Beach, Ca.
213-428-3882.
Msg #7977 Dated 9:54:51 07-02-91 7970 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: HELP
Thanks for the info. I'll add it.
Msg #7978 Dated 12:51:44 07-02-91 -> 8011
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: IBM - DAY 3
As my mind melts into the sunset it gets harder and harder to do
my convention report. Lack of sleep, too much magic. Let's see...
I started yesterday by missing the Petrick Lecture and the John
Calvert Remembers Session. Lot's of things goin' on. Caught the
afternoon Comedy Club Show.
Very good show - RON LONDON, BOB SHEETS, DAVID WILLIAMSON, and
SYLVESTER THE JESTER. Sheets did a repeating poker hand bit with
jumbo cards that was very good. Let the audience member have all
the options and still kept winning. His laugh is infectious. He
looks at his cards, he laughs; soon the whole audience has the cue.
David Williamson did a lot of crazy/funny bits - made the audience
wild - scalped a kid (9 year old), removed his brain and found a
silk in it - did an underwear exchange between two kids - one about
9 and the other about 3. Wild.
And the wildness had just started - then came Sylvester the Jester.
This guy is something else! The audience wasn't sure what to do -
most of what they did was stunned disbelief. I suspect that some
were thinking they ought to beat a hasty exit before he killed
their wives and children. The guy produces a "25-pound" ANVIL and
beats on it with a produced sledgehammer; he smashes his head with
a frying pan ("This is your brain, this is drugs, this is your
brain on drugs..." - SMASH!). His manipulations are EXCELLENT.
He is also a one-man sound and light show - effects such as steam
coming out of his ears, loud bangs when he hits his head with a
hammer - the guy is wired! Incredible! Everyone in this show did
a great job.
Then it was on to the Gold Medal Competition & Show. No gold was
given in the stage competition this year. Gold Cups were given in
the close-up competition, but we'll have to get the names from Biro
- I blanked. The 1st Prize in the Stage did go to CHAPEK, 2nd to
LES and TERRI AU, and a special award to the Soviet performer.
The finals were great - all the contestants did a good job. Really
good show as well as a contest.
MC KARREL FOX, one of my favorites, did a lot of incredible bits.
He is, in my opinion, the perfect MC.
Following the Stage Competition, BECKY BLANEY and JADE did their
shows. These two are great! Becky did her club act (sanitized a
bit for the Baltimore stage) and had the audience in the palm of
her hand. She is a funny, funny lady. Jade did what Jade does
best - project. It is really amazing to watch this petite lady win
the audience thru sheer presence and charisma. When she is at the
top of her form, as she was last night, she could probably do the
whole act without props and the audience wouldn't either notice or
care. Beautiful.
Then it was down to the lounge where PETE BIRO, TABBY CRABB, CAROL
ROY, DAVE WILLIAMSON, BOB SHEETS, BECKY BLANEY, JADE, etc., etc.
all wandered in, out, and about, eating pizza and crabmeat
quesadillas.
Another 4 a.m. fall into bed. Today I'm just hangin' out until the
banquet and the Grand Finale Gala. Don't know when that report
will make it to your screen - gottta give the 'puter back to BILL
WELLS. Don't know how MAGIC! would have survived without him.
Msg #7980 Dated 13:59:48 07-02-91 7943 <--> 7987
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: REGARDS
Tell Onasaka Arigado Goziamas. And send him a bow from me - about
33.5 degrees ought to do it.
Msg #7981 Dated 13:59:56 07-02-91 7953 <--> 7982
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
The main convention to be at in 1992 is going to be the MUSIC CITY
CONCLAVE, January 10, 11, 12th in NASHVILLE. It's the TABMAN USA
Convention - he's setting it up so that one can arrive late on
Friday and be there for the whole thing - a little careful plane
planning and you can take only Friday for travel and be at the
whole thing. Already booked - MAX MAVEN, JOHNNY ACE PALMER, PETE
BIRO, RAY MERTZ, RICHARD HATCH, GENO MUNARI and JIM SISTI. Should
be great.
IBM will be in ST. LOUIS, but I don't have the dates in front of
me. Check GENII or INSIDE MAGIC.
Msg #7982 Dated 14:00:24 07-02-91 7954 <--> 7992
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Lot's of discussion here about your sword/card in the closet bit.
Some say it was a great effect, some say "Well, yeah, but anyone
could have done it, you just have to know how to make an earth-
quake." At any rate, I guess that particular joker is keeping his
ear to the ground.
Msg #7987 Dated 15:26:20 07-02-91 7980 <--> 8012
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: REGARDS
As you don't have a Japanese spell-checker, allow me to help:
"Onasaka" should be Onosaka.
"Arigado" should be Arigato.
"Goziamas" should be Gozaimasu.
Other than that, perfect.
Msg #7988 Dated 16:03:04 07-02-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKS
Tabman got the Steinmeyer book (_Device and Illusions_) today. Will
have Richard ship it out tomorrow. How was IBM? I'm going out the
door now for SAM. Later.
Charlie
Msg #7989 Dated 16:03:31 07-02-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JOHNNY ECK
Thanks to you and T.A. for the real story on Johnny Ecks. I was just
repeating what I'd been told and read in the quoted Genii issue.
Interesting how these things work out. Thanks again.
Charlie
Msg #7990 Dated 16:03:58 07-02-91 -> 8013
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: SAM CONVENTION
I'm off to that "other" convention. Will be back on Sunday -, wi -ll
try to give a full report -then. Later.
Charlie
Msg #7991 Dated 17:22:47 07-02-91
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: GONE
Sounds like you guys are having a great time.
Wanted to say bye-bye for a while. Back in LA on Aug 8 and in the
office on the 9th. Talk to you then.
Msg #7992 Dated 18:42:02 07-02-91 7982 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BERG'S MAGIC STUDIO
Your lack of sleep is making you pretty "punny"!
Maybe I'll frame the joker with the date as a remembrance of the
temblor. I'm just glad it wasn't mounted over my bed!
Msg #7993 Dated 18:46:08 07-02-91 -> 8014
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: CONVENTIONS
I would like to hear from anyone and everyone who has an opinion on
this. I like to learn magic, do magic, talk magic, meet magicians,
etc. In other words I would like to go to a magic convention. If any
of you were me and you could only go to one magic convention in 1992,
would you choose the Music City Conclave, the IBM convention, the
Desert Seminar, PCAM, or ???
I would like as many opinions and reasons why as possible... THANKS!
Msg #7994 Dated 19:07:04 07-02-91 7931 <--> 7995
From: RANDY LUND
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS 1991 GET-TOGETHER
Out of towners need to get their reservations in early. The local
hotel situation is pretty grim as Color isn't much larger than a
postage stamp.
.
Randy
Msg #7995 Dated 22:02:30 07-02-91 7994 <--> 8015
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS 1991 GET-TOGETHER
There's no way I can make it to Colon this year.
My dear friend, Dave Madden, will be making his only live, on-stage
appearance of the year in Colon. Dave has starred in four television
series, nightclubs, plays, countless TV commercials and, these days, is
content to be merely a legendary Hollywood voice-over artist.
You're in for a rare treat.
'W.
Msg #7996 Dated 22:19:26 07-02-91
From: DAVID WILLIAMSON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: IBM CONVENTION
David, Thanks for letting me see the video. I had to leave early so I
did not get a chance to make a copy. Maybe some other time. I am
sitting here with Gary Plants and Evert Chapman and Budman. We want
you to know what a great time we had at the convention and hope that we
will get another chance to get together soon. Thank Tabby for me for
the great tape.
Msg #7997 Dated 22:24:34 07-02-91 -> 8017
From: DAVID WILLIAMSON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM CONVENTION
Tabby, This is Gary Plants speaking to you from David Williamsons NEW
home. Had a great time in B'more and hope that the pictures come out.
Evert says hello and has made an official challange!!!! A buck a
hole. Hope you can make it to WV soon. I am off until the last of
August. Keep my number and give me a call. See ya.
Msg #7999 Dated 22:30:48 07-02-91 -> 8018
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: POP-OUT MOVE
Does anyone know of a good reference regarding Piet Forton's Pop-Out
Move (besides the Simon book)? Lots of recent books have alluded it
but none have provided any decent descriptions. Max or TA?
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