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Msg #8500 Dated 11:47:12 07-11-91 8487 <--> 8512
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: FISM
Goody! I have a green suit and a green tie!
Msg #8501 Dated 11:48:44 07-11-91 8488 <--> 8502
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: BIROSAN
The Dutch crew apparently had some line problems themselves yesterday.
We are attempting to hold the message base (from 7500 upward) until the
Biro and others return from FISM. Figure they will want something to
read while waiting at Newark airport.
The background of the Swiss watch industry is really quite fascinating.
At one time, one of the moguls of the business was a business partner
of mine and I got quite an inside view - even a tour of one of the ETA
(Swatch, etc.) factories. One of the automatic lathing operations
produces gears so small that the filter that normally holds the parts
and allows the burrs to fall through is REVERSED - the burrs are caught
in the filter and THE PARTS fall through.
Msg #8502 Dated 11:54:24 07-11-91 8489 <--> 8513
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: BIROSAN
I am the author of one of the supplimental parts of PC-Tools 7, having
performed a similar role for PC-Tools 6, 5.5, etc. My part of the
product is in the government version. It is also available in the
retail marketplace as American Training International's "Teach Yourself
PC-Tools." There is a coupon for it in the PC-Tools box.
Msg #8503 Dated 11:58:30 07-11-91 8425 <--> 8504
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN
Re: SAM DAY 1
Actually, we have laws designed to prevent many abuses possible under
such a system.
'W.
Msg #8504 Dated 12:00:13 07-11-91 8442 <--> 8517
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
...and still others pay for the material in the form of an expensive
book...only to find that they are subject to intimidation not to
perform the material.
'W.
Msg #8505 Dated 12:53:28 07-11-91
From: JIM SISTI
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: GLAD YOU MADE IT BACK
Happy to see you're back in CA in one piece (after a sojourn in NYC).
Thanks again for taking a bit of a detour so we could spend some time
together. I'm sure our paths will cross again!
Msg #8509 Dated 13:12:58 07-11-91
From: MICHAEL OVERLY
To: ALL
Re: FULLERTON CLASSES
Has anyone gotten any more information on the courses being offered at
Cal. State Fullerton? I have the brochure and would like to know more
about the instructors.
Msg #8510 Dated 14:30:21 07-11-91 8480 <--> 8515
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAMPS
I meant no harm to a hobby group, I was just trying to sound hip and
use some lingo that I probably know nada about. Anyway, it's a guy dr
essed up like a woman. He weighs in at around 300 lbs and since he
has exposed himself to several of the residents across the road it
has been noted that all his body fur has been razed. I'm certain that
I'm not considered psychologically sound.
Msg #8511 Dated 14:30:29 07-11-91 8482 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: CONVENTIONS
I've asked several guys who are pretty hip and no one really had an
answer except Max (Tarbell, 1940s) and he's the guy who asked the
question. If you think about it check out 1908 - 1912 or so. I have
none of those years and tried to find some with no luck so far. I did
find another autographed copy of Quality Magic (Okito, 1921) and a
Floyd Thayer letter on early Thayer letterhead. I'd like to find some
original photos inside the Thayer Shop as I find these inspirational.
Msg #8512 Dated 14:30:39 07-11-91 8483 <--> 8514
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: FISM
I only saw him once. He was younger, but looked like Howie. Like a
younger Howie the Aviator. I could even see the wild blue yonder in
his eyes. He had Howie's earlier look down pat.
Msg #8513 Dated 14:30:45 07-11-91 8484 <--> 8518
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: BIROSAN
At Ckrabourg the motto is; Any Tabman is enhanced by a Convention.
Anyway, the pleasure was all mine. Next year will run even smoother.
Msg #8514 Dated 14:30:51 07-11-91 8487 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: FISM
Suits and Ties!??
Msg #8515 Dated 14:30:55 07-11-91 8493 <--> 8520
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: STAMPS
I like the flap flag idea, that's the best one yet. My uncle went
to William and Mary and my family is represented in Jamestown on the
Pocohontas monument. Your talk of Thom. Jefferson and Benj. Franklin
causes me to inquire, did you know that my grandad, the principal,
was named Benj. Franklin Crowson as was my uncle. I too wish your
friend was still at LibCong. I got those copies of the microfilm
on that book Pete and I have been searching for and they (the copies)
are pitiful. Done by someone who doesn't care or can't do anything
about it. At least the stuff is there. Will have to make a run up
there next month and see if I can get in the back room.
Msg #8516 Dated 14:31:07 07-11-91 8494 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: MAGIC!
I too like the non visual aspect of bbsing with other minds around
the sphere. The non visual, non prejudical aspects are a plus as
far as open communication is concerned, why else would I make all
this stuff up.
Msg #8517 Dated 14:31:14 07-11-91 8495 <--> 8522
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Unfortunately, the message all the way from the top is clear. Not
only do you want to do for yourself, but to do against the
competition using whatever gray area your lawyers can find to
operate in. Whether it is moral or ethical isn't the question here.
It is the rules of business. This doesn't mean you have to conduct
business in this fashion, it does mean that you have to be aware
that you might get this treatment in return for your ethics. It is
a complex area. What do you get when you remove morality from the
law? Kraborg is governed by universal law and the theory of gravity.
Msg #8518 Dated 14:31:25 07-11-91 8501 <--> 8521
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIROSAN
I almost bought a Swiss Army Watch in Baltimore.
Msg #8519 Dated 15:17:35 07-11-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: PENN AND TELLER ON TV
Penn and Teller were announced to be on Geraldo tomorrow...Friday.
Msg #8520 Dated 15:19:38 07-11-91 8510 <--> 8528
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAMPS
300 lbs! Should be easy to catch - just watch for him at the local
Lane Bryant!
On to those who are not considered psychologically sound... I once had
a friend who had spent time in a mental institution (I never did ask
him what for). He used to maintain that he was the only guy in the
group who was certified sane. He said, "If I wasn't sane, they
wouldn't have let me out. But the rest of you could be crazy - you
just haven't been caught yet." He also said that it was funny to watch
how people who knew about his backround would react. He said, as an
example, if he put a coin in a parking meter and the meter didn't work,
he would hit it on the side (like everyone else does). Immediately,
someone would say "Take it easy... calm down... don't get upset..."
Msg #8521 Dated 15:26:24 07-11-91 8518 <--> 8529
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIROSAN
I think Swiss Army Watches were created for the American market. I
have a watch that I refer to as "my $60,000 Swiss watch." It was
presented to me by my Swiss business partner. He had custom crafted it
for me (he is the ruling scion of the family that started the
particular watch company which still bears the family name. He sold
the company to ETA). Since I've lost well over $60,000 in the business
venture I've assigned at least that much of the value to the watch.
Actually, I think it is now worth more as I believe it was the one that
Becky Blaney removed from my wrist, and handed back to me, at the same
time that she removed my shirt.
I finally got my hands on the Magic Castle piece from yesterday's Los
Angeles Times. The story, beginning on page 1 of the Metro/Valley
section, is prosaic at best. But it does have about 5 inches on Becky:
"Two of America's few full-time female magicians also were on the card:
Becky Joyce Blaney and Joycee Beck, close friends who joked about the
similarity of their names. At the Magic Castle, even identities seem
done with mirrors.
"Like most professional conjurers, the two women had paid substantial
dues in time and travel to earn a place in the spotlight. Blaney, 34,
the daughter of Houston magician Walter Zaney Blaney, started at 16 as
her father's assistant, criss-crossing the country to corporate
banquets and trade shows. Though her father once appeared on "The
Tonight Show," he just as often played to "the Corn Growers Assn. of
Tulsa, or whatever," Blaney recalled.
"Embarking on her own, Blaney performed comedy and magic in every state
but Alaska, a string of cities and towns from New York to Beaumont, Tex.
Until a few months ago, she said, "I was on the road nonstop for five
years with no apartment, no car. It's hard."
Think I found a pretty ingenious route to getting this thread back to
magic, don't you?
Msg #8522 Dated 15:52:09 07-11-91 8517 <--> 8530
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Morality and ethics are complex. I presume that there could be some
argument that Kodak felt it was operating in the best interests of its
shareholders, employees and customers - the groups to which it is
primarily resposible for its conduct.
Msg #8523 Dated 16:55:02 07-11-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FISM DAY 3 PT 1 OF 3
The satellite dishes have been realigned and we are back in touch
with Arnaud and FISM! Here are the reports!
Message #617 - Echomail MAGIC!-US
Date : 11-Jul-91 08:06
From : Arnaud Van.Rietschoten
To : Magic-Us
Subject : FISM report
^%#$^%#$! Missed my 1am deadline so could not upload this at the
time I promised you would have it. Gala show took longer than
planned. Had to wait till the mroning.
FISM DAY 3, WEDNESDAY 10 July 1991
==================================
Afterthoughs on Close-up Gala yesterday eve
===========================================
Overall the gala was too long and by cutting in number acts they
could have made a perfect gala. The gala could have been held twice
at the same place, while the other group was at the bar.
Well afterwards it's easy talking, but the circumstances were really
terrible. Both closeup tables were ca 50 meters from each other and
in between 600-800 people were sitting.
When one halfe was applauding for magi nr.1. Mr Magic nr 2 had to
stop as no conversation was possible. Specially with act like Tamariz
and Williamson, the otherside better could have stopped.
What did we see:
Michael showed us his floating bill, cups & balls with a borrowed
bill found again in one of the lemos used as production in the cups,
Bernard Billis showed a nice mental effect. 3 different object are on
the table, and the spectator is asked to take one away. On the table
he also has a prediction book. By flipping the pages quickly you see
a motion picture of a hand removing the chosen object.
Another nive effect was a portable hole on the table with 4 aces below
it. One by one an ace disappears and re-appears visually on top of the
black hole.
Next was Ergard Liebenow (Germany) with a complete chips act.
Personally I think chips are 'out', and, though performed correctly,
the act was of a too low level to fit in a FISM gala.
The first part was copleted by Juan Tamariz. You have seen Juan
working in Vegas, so you know what a fun it is to watch this guy
working. Juan started with his 3 card monte. He continued with
2 nice revelations; The deck is back in the deck. The spectator
holds the deck, he hits the deck out of his hand and the chosen
card remains in his hand. Next he put a wallet on the table, and card
is chosen. Yes, the chosen card in found in the wallet....
He ended with a quadruple coincidence effect.
The second part of the gala was less spectacular, as te first part.
Both Magic Christian and Tony Binarelli, had a very strange choice
of material. Binarelli did a very lengthy poker routine, not fitting
the situation. Magic Cristian kept us busy for minutes with a knife
blade that keeps flipping back in the knife house.
Rene Lavand was victim of the bad sound situation. He did his oil &
water routine, and the 3 balls in teacup routine.
David Williamson was closing the row. At the other side of the room
Juan Tamariz was working, so both were fighting to get the most
laughs. Williamson did a lot of comedy. Cups & balls with a 100
lemon finale.
CLOSE-UP COMPETITION
====================
In the morning hours the last pasrt of the close-up compettion was
held. Starting again at 8:00hrs am.
Some highlights:
James Lewis (USA)showed us his coins thru glass table and a nice
bill to coins transposition. With the signed bill ending in a purse
again.
Helge (Germany) had some original effects. A card was selected. He
now takes a new deck, with the cellophane, slided halfway from it.
He now uses this as a photocamera, presses the empty cellophane, and
a blits appears, one card appeared in the cellophane.....it had to
be the chosen card, but unfortunately made a mistake. Anyway the
overall picture looks very good.
Jean-Pierre Vallarino: Is a technically very skillen card worker,
but suffered with the problem that his resentation was not always
entertaining enough. Richard Ross told him, a few years ago that
maybe he should create a little theatre that shows his hands only.
Well he picked up that idea, and gave a very good received show.
Very manipulative, very flousishy, with many nice card revelations
and very good cognac glass productions. Possible prize winner.
Steve Fearson (USA) entered in class invention with his floating
cigaret. Lighting was not ideal however.
(Continued in next message...)
Msg #8524 Dated 16:56:07 07-11-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FISM DAY 3 PT 2 OF 3
A spanish guy showed, had one little nice effect. He placed a card
(not the chosen one) behind his watch (face-up at ellbow side of
watch) With the rest of the deck he made a fan, waved it over his
watch (wrist was turned, so back of card showing). When wrist was
turned back again, the card was changed.
Maggie Tucker (GB) was unfortunately very nervous. She started very
original by opening a little business suitcase...when it was open
the table was completed topped with a meal of chinese food.
With object on the table she started to do some effects.
Mark Nata Sicher (USA) had lots of laughs with his dental act.
Effects with teeth and toothbrushes followed. Specially his perfect
faro with 2 brushes was very impressive.
Daryl (USA) entered with an invenion. He started with his chosen
card thru plastic bag (as seen in his last lecture tour), and ended
with the 'invention'. By the quotes you can see it did not impress
me as an invention. He had 2 silks, one red and one white. The middle
was wrapped up in a piece of paper, that was cut, so both silks were
cut. When he put them together the 2 silks restored, but also
'magically' changed in 2 half red/white silks. Both method and effect
(I think) do not justify to call this an invention.
STAGE COMPETITION
=================
Again I did not see all acts. I must say stage techniques have
improved today, but now we were faced with _another_ organisation
disaster. 5 acts before the end, they stopped the competition
because the acts for tonights gala had to prepare. (reminds me of
spanish FISM where this was a habit of the organisation).
The complete lack of respect to the performers, was 'honored' by the
audience with lots of BOOOOH's and wisthles.Victim was also James
Cielen who had the ideal plce as last of the day. Now he will have
to appear tomorrow morning.
Heavy detective work revealed the real reason the acts were stopped
........the jury was hungry........(AAARRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH).
The jury had to walk directly from close-up to stage and the poor
members got almost no time to drink, eat, talk, chit, chat, be
important.......aaahhhhhh. (In fact a big shame and complete un-
acceptable).
However the acts that appeared had some nice acts:
Gerard Matis (FR) had a dove act with perfect steals and nice
effects. He started by dropping his glove, 'realed' it up but imme-
diately the glove changed into a dove. He was apparently also inspi-
red by Fin Jonn as he did Jonn's paper to Banknote and did bubbles.
Unfortunately his soap was too weak, so had lots of bubble explo-
sions. One nice bubble effect should be mentioned. He blowed a bubble
with smoke, levitated it ala zombie, and a *light* started to burn in
the bubble. It was a pitty the bubble did not have a long live and
died with a sudden death.
Best response was for Gili from Belgium (Comedy).Based on his act
as shown on last FISM, he appeared as a bagger (dunno if this is the
right word, mean an bad dressed, dirty guy....). DId some nice
effects. Very cute wasa play with teh audience. He had a candle of
which he trew the flame in to the audience. Suddenly it appeared
in the audience, as a spectator lighted a lighter. He did it at
various sides of the stage, and slowly the audience spontaneously
started to participate and lighters started to light up around.
he ended with the roduction of a treasury box, 'New York New York'
started, and his dress changed into a real magician with a top hat,
cape, etc...glitters, and lots of fire ended his show. He also ahd
a road sign on stage with 2 small tows in Belgium onit. That sign
changed into signs with New York and Vegas onit. Very good, lots
of fun and good audience response. Prize winner.
Yogano (forgot to report you that yesterday) family showed a new
pierced version. In gangster setting, one of the bad men leans on
a vertical stengun. He is grabbed by 2 others and laid down on
the stengun. Boommmmm and ganster was 'pierced' by the stengun.
NIGHT GALA II
=============
Time for the second gala......
Full house again, with tropical temperatures. Show was MC'ed by
Roberto Giobbi. from Switzerland. Roberto did a very good job and
had some original gags. In one of the gags he explained how he
handled his little note with text. He transferred it with a hand-
to-hand transfer as explained in Secret Magic page 7, he followed
with a tenkai palm..etc...etc....
Show was opened by Amos Levkovics from the castle area. Amos did
his dove act with as finale the flight of all vanished doves from
the back of the theatre to the stage. It's a that he took some
chracteristical Lance Burton effects into his act. Tearing the
middle from a newspaper, restoring it and producing a dove from
it can not get the originality award,
Next from Switzerland the 'Magic Art Theatre', this group has a
2 hour show and did some short acts out of this show. A mixture
of magic dance and juggling all presented in a very modern style.
Audience liked it very much. Break dancing combined with juggling
has guaranteed success when performed ok. I think you will soon
see those guys somewhere else, as in the audience there are talent
hunters like John Fischer - Best of Magic...
(Continued in next message...)
Msg #8525 Dated 16:57:18 07-11-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FISM DAY 3 PT 3 OF 3
Yogano from france showed his genious levitation, on the glass
table. Needless to say the crowd really loved it.
Last before intermission was Harry Blackstone. He started with the
vanishing bird cage, followed by the dancing hankerchief. Next he
did the talking bit with a line of 9 people with lots of pick-
pocketing.
In the line we saw some big names. Jeffrey Atkins (Pres. IBM England)
got the role of the deaf older man. Besides Mr. Atkins also Manfred
Thumm and Mark Wilson were part of the act. The rest was unknown,
so probably hired as stooge.
Blackstone ended with the floating light bulb, with as climax the
bulb flying above the audience.
Blackstone announced that as from Octiber this year he will start
a worldtour thru 41 countries.
After intermission the temperature became even higher as it was ever
before and the cowd turned hostile. Memories of 1982 came up again.
2nd part was opened by Bertrand Lotth, a pirate act. Not sensational,
pearl magic, zombie.......
Second, Tempest & Gottet. The former Magic International
Duo was grouped again specially for this occasion. They showed some
new-wave magic again. Lots of break-dance, their duo act with 4
hands and some individual bits.
After the 4 hands we were threated on 4 legs by Rudy Coby. New to me
was his new table, pushed up by a robot, with legs of a real woman.
Same effect as the table made by Christian Fechner with the skeleton
only a few thousands bucks cheaper.
In the meantime the temperature has almost reached boiling point,
and groups start to leave the theatre eventhough they knew the Pen-
dragons were coming next. Roberto Giobbi now made the mistake to
do some longer routines with ropes and cards. Normally this would
have been loved as good routines, but due terrible conditions some
audience membersstarted booooh-ing.
However the Pendragons made it worth to wait.....
They showed us their all around the globe loved illusions, including
their, new for majority of Europe, Interlude illusion. Tommy Wonder
timed for us the Metamorphosis and noted a new world record of 0.12
seconds. We also decided this should no longer be called Metamorpho-
sis but 'human-color change by the hand of God'.
OTHERS
======
o Some lines (can't garantee 100% originality)
- 'I covered this gold coin with silver to protect it'.
- 'Gravity.....the magicians nightmare'
- 'I have a green felttip pen, that matches the close-up mat, so
you can spoil it.....;
'
o A group of wandering dutch magicians through Lausanne ended up in
a nightclub to relax from a day of magic. They were happy to find
the Frisbee bar. But.....at 1.30am the globally known and praised
Magician Max Oscar appeared on stage.
o Was at Michael's (Ammar) stand to buy his book. Michael was
signing the book, and Hannah asked my name. She spelled it to
Michael A-r-n....hey he said that's a familiar name....
I said 'yes probably seen on a computer screen'. Was nice to meet
him and got a present...what a nice guy Michael.....
Also co-sysop Arnoud van Delden was made happy with a present and
now also thinks Michael is the best magician of the world.
o Politics to get the next FISM to Tokyo are still in full speed.
Apparently Germany (Hamburg) and Hungary (Budapest) are also in the
race. Japan announced they probably can offer a round trip from
Europe for ca. $1000,-, what is real bargain.
o Lubor Fiedler has a nice electronic goodie. From a well shuffled
deck, cards are dealt on a red and black spot. In the middle there
is a speaker, and depending on the delat color, the speaker says
'RED' 'BLACK'....without any apparent difference in dealing.
He also sells a belly sound gimmick. With your belly you can make
nice clicking sound effects. It becomes busy under you shirt..
a belly sound gimmick, FISM flash......
o Tabman & David Li. David Williams says hello to you he showed the
beergag to a few Europeans.
o Due to increasing originality the R-O-D award (Ripp-off of the day)
could not be presented, however the H-O-D award (Hairline of the day)
became an ex-aequo between Christian Scherer (carto magic Swiss) and
Amos Levkovics.
o We must warn Cups and Balls workers that these props have the
ambition to become what Zombie and Linking rings once were for stage
magic.
On stage the leading role of Zombie and Linking rings has been taken
over by Snowstorms in numerous variations.
PS forgive my maybe numerous typo's am writing up these reports in
lots of hurry, and have to get my deadline of 1 am. No time for
spellchecking...again sorry.....hope you like it tough.
We would appreciate to receive your comments, and maybe David can
group them and send them to MAGIC!-NL, during his daily login.
Tomorrow's report (in fact today's when you read it) will be
uploaded to NL earlier. In evening we have a boattrip over the lake
so will be in the Hotel in the early evening (ca. 7:00 pm).
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
(The next report follows...)
Msg #8526 Dated 16:58:36 07-11-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FISM DAY 4 PT 1 OF 2
Message #618 - Echomail MAGIC!-US
Date : 11-Jul-91 18:53
From : Arnaud Van.Rietschoten
To : Magic-Us
Subject : FISM report
FISM REPORT 11 JULY 1991, DAY 4, THE STORY CONTINUES.....
=========================================================
Foreword
========
Let me give you a short explanation how these reports are written,
to give you an insight view.
Directly in the intermission I write them. Normally you would
re-read your story the next day, but actuality forces me to send
the reports as I typed them originality. Hope you understand that
the tone of the reports is very influenced by my emotional state
of that moment, and I might say things I would have scrapped if
I would re-read it when the heat is off. So it can be we make jokes
you cannot appreciate...you know at 35 degrees centigrade the
human mind becomes very sick.
Please understand this situation when you read it, siting in your
computerroom with a cup of coffee, a cigaret and some snacks
nearby.
STAGE COMPETITION
=================
Some highlights of today's stage magicians:
Alexdander de Gova(Germany): Did a white faced act with as
repeating effect the appearance of gloves on his hands, while
they he just took the off. After the 10th returning set of
gloves it became too much for him, and he left the stage....
Mr. Rahtol & Ralf Rolsn (Germany): This will become one of
the acts that we will still be talking about in 10 years time.
Each FISM needs a drama...and today at 09.43am it happened
again. 2000 watching spectators escaped from a sudden deadth.
Two witches appeared on stage..and started by some firework
from a broomstick. The stick was put away in his table, and
he started with a 'pierced' effect.
In the meantime the broomstick continued smoking. But fortu-
nately he saw it, and extinguished the fire.
He continued with his piercing, but the broomstick did not give
and took revenge. Initial small flames appeared above the table
top, and magically became bigger and bigger. The crowd and
stage became wild.
While in a big chaos they tried to kill the fire, the 2 witches
continued undisturbed.......A real showstopper.......
David Davenport was so exited about his own linking ring routine
that with the final spread of the amrs to create a big chain, he
lost control over the rings, and almost killed a piano player.
Juan Mayoral (Spain) souned as an unknown name, but the guy is
also known as Alax. He has a new act and upto now is the only
one, on stage, that received a standing ovation.
In a romantic setting, with a small table and door on the stage,
he showed some very good effects:
o A red silk vanished in his fist. A flash in a straight line
towards a white lamp appeared from his fist and the light burned
red.
o He had a candle and removed the flame and did some very good
looking levitation effects.
o The story was that his grl had left him, and only had a picture
of her standing in a frame on his table. She also probably left
a shoe-box with him. He put the shoes on the floor and they
very elegantly walked to the door. he doorknob turned, the door
magically opened, and they walked outof the door.
He followed the shoes, and behind the ddoor you saw a shadow
of a man and girl kissing. Sounds a bit sweet but very well
dosed.
Jade was next....
We never saw her here in Europe, but of course read a lot about her
prestations in the US.
Afterwards reactions were a bit mixed. Many people were disappointed
by the 'simple' effect she showed, and would have loved to see more
innovative magic (more OOOHHH's and AHHHHHH's). At the other hand
her presentation is perfect and very elegant.
For the people who has not seen it yet, she performs inchinese
style and shows efect like the rice bowls, a parasol trick, and ended
with a snowstorm.
Napoleons (Japan - Illusions) did 2 comedylusions.
One with 2 hardboard boxes. The tall one stepped in box nr 1, and box
nr. 2 was put directly agains it with a shield in between.
The short one stepped on a ladder and crashed the box numero uno.
Lucky enough Mr Tall had escaped to Box 2. The ended with a
penetration effect with some funny revelation how it was done.
James Cielen (Canada - General Magic) Who originally was planned for
yesterday, appeared also in the afternoon.
He showed his act with the colored doves, with some very original
color changes.
(Continued in next message...)
Msg #8527 Dated 16:59:34 07-11-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FISM DAY 4 PT 2 OF 2
In the afternoon not a lot of original acts appeared. Only name
was Davido from Norway. Had has his act modernized, and wears a
leather costume, and has a heavy beat as music. Further the tricks
were still as they were. He gave however a very bad show...made more
mistakes as ever before, and surely did not perform as expected.
We also had 2 dutch acts on today. Eric & Andre and Woody Wout.
Hoever both were nnot able to get crowd enthousiastic.
SOME TIPS FOR FUTURE FISM VISITORS
==================================
To watch 140 acts is a complete inhuman task, and is only possible
for those with the mental & physical power of a jury member. So if
you plan to visit one of the next FISM, let us give you some tips
to survive the competition without missing the good acts.
We were hadicapped in Lausanne because the organisation did not want
to spend their money on monitors outside the theatre.
The 10 seconds way
Requirements: A group.....
A bar near the theatre.
How: One by one you get the 10 second duty and have to go
into the theatre to see the beginning of the next act.
If within 10 seconds, the act still did not tinkle
any of your senses, in any way (very good, or extremely
bad), the rest of the group can continue drinking.
Otherwise 'the' mutual agreed signal is given and the
whole groups run to the theatre.
Currently we have expanded this method, to use walky talkies. One guy
sittin in the room warns us if we have to come.Sofar this method works
perfect.
A CLAIRMONT UPDATE
==================
The Max Maven look alike story has a follow-up. Tommy Wonder was
approached by him, and he told him that during the night he
thought about his sins.
He came to the dramatical decission, that he will discuss with his
barber to change his hairstyle. He will also change his publicity
photo's.
He requested us to ask Max if he was interested in a few thousand
publicity photo's. Price is negotiable.....
OTHERS
======
o Bill Wells was a bit worried if Mr. Pete Biro had arrived.
AAARRRGHHH-san made the mistake to say 'yes' when they asked him
if he wanted to be a member of the jury.
You will still hear a long time nothing from him as he is
immediately after FISM leaving to Russia with Olge.
o As you all know Mr. David Copperfield is logging in to MAGIC! almost
daily, under his BBS name. My reports were apparently so stimulating
that he took the first plane from LA to Switzerland, and a few
minutes ago stepped in. He send all his best regards to you poor
homebodies. The poor guy is continuously surrounded by 100 fans.
(S)
o Saturday the FISM assembly is held. As each year runours go
now finally something has to change in the FISM organisation.
Will keep you informed about all the latest.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
(That's it for today - an incredible job on Arnaud's part!).
Msg #8528 Dated 17:01:49 07-11-91 8520 <--> 8534
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAMPS
Take it easy... Calm down... Don't get upset...
Msg #8529 Dated 17:01:54 07-11-91 8521 <--> 8538
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Appreciate the info on Becky. Glad she got the press. Wooden mind
seeing a copy sometime when you get time. Don't forget the great
Ventura swap!! Better to keep it toward magic as that's what we're
all about anyway. Wish we'd hear something on Pete Biro or Arnaud.
Msg #8530 Dated 17:02:01 07-11-91 8522 <--> 8539
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Complex indeed. Thus the oft misused qute, "There's even honor among
thieves." Whatever that means.
Msg #8531 Dated 17:44:21 07-11-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAGIC-NL
Re: FISM REPORTS
To:Arnaud Van.Rietschoten
From: The Tabman
Subj: Thanks from across the sea
Hi Arnaud:
After signing onto your system, MAGIC!-NL a half dozen times the
past two days I can appreciate ya'lls transatlantic phonebills -
or soon anyway.
Your reports from FISM are much anticipated and appreciated here
at the Hotel DeCarlo computer room. Am not surprised that Pete
Biro is a judge. He's probably having fun as he likes to watch
magic contests. Kindly give him my regards. Actually, tell him
"tabman sez hey!" Is he really going to Russia with Olga? That's
great.
Thanks for going into such detail and for giving us your
opinions. Opinion is oft worth more than description alone.
Your dedication at being a MAGIC! Systems Operator with your
excellent system MAGIC!-NL is equalled only by David Litchman of
MAGIC!-US. You are both doing an excellent job providing us "home
boys" a rare view into the world of magic from your shores.
Keep up the great work.
Did Dave Williamson show YOU the beer trick?
Msg #8534 Dated 20:59:22 07-11-91 8421 <--> 8542
From: STAN LAKE
To: EVAN KATZ
Re: STAMPS
In depth postal knowledge is a great subject for cocktail parties- if
you want people to leave you alone!
I was hoping the trouble with those pesky quotation marks was buried
along with Abbotts address. Please, let's not exhume them again!
Msg #8535 Dated 21:19:50 07-11-91 8434 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: MIKE KING
Re: INSIDE MAGIC
No problem, it will be in tomorrows mail.
Msg #8537 Dated 21:21:10 07-11-91 8446 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: COMEDY OPENER
I knew it was too simple to be original which is something I am finding
out about many things. I had the idea of doing Out of This World for
some kids shows by having all of the kids participate choosing red or
black. Before performing it I found out it was originated by Marvin
Roy and I went ahead and got his permission to use it. It's like the
old saying about reinventing the wheel. Every time I come up with an
obvious idea it has been obvious to many others before me.
Msg #8538 Dated 0:12:08 07-12-91 8529 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB
Re: BIROSAN
My fax machine is down since my "workstation" is still down (by the
way, since Roland has a "music workstation" have you ever thought of
having a model of the Tabman Table designated as a "close-up
workstation?"), but it should be up by this weekend (I hope).
Meanwhile I have another copy of the article coming - will send one of
'em off to you - any chance you could forward it to Becky?
I assume that the 4K of FISM material that Arnaud filed today covered
your request for hearing something from him? Or did you want him to
use the old traditional Swiss approach and stand on an Alp and yell?
Msg #8539 Dated 0:15:51 07-12-91 8468 <--> 8540
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Most performance material is indeed licensed -- I am speaking now of
professional show business, which is not the area in which a lot of
magicians work. You can buy a play from Samuel French for a couple of
bucks, but that doesn't give you the right to perform it. Similarly,
the publishers who put out my book have not bought it; what they have
bought is certain rights for a certain time regarding it, and these are
sharrply delimited rights. There are some situations where a "buyout"
of all rights is done -- but these are usually for very low level
situations. Even a screenwriter whose work is redone by another
retains certain rights. Performance rights are not an object, as I
have stated; if anything they are a legal instrument.
Msg #8540 Dated 0:21:19 07-12-91 8504 <--> 8541
From: T A WATERS
To: WAYNE POWERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
I think if you are not informed PREVIOUS to your purchase of the book
that there are restrictions on your use of the material, you have to
make your own judgment call as to whether you will use it anyway -- and
I also feel that hidden restrictions are not ethical. More than that
-- they sometimes have, I think, a backfire effect, in the same way the
anti-drug propaganda of the 60s and 70s was so patently absurd that
people didn't believe the REAL dangers of drugs. Here, they'll have no
respect for absurd restrictions -- and possibly from that no respect
for real rights of property to performance material. A leap? I
dunno.
Msg #8541 Dated 0:23:27 07-12-91 8539 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
I am not disagreeing that most performance material is licensed. But
in your previous message, #8442, you seemed to indicate that it could
not be sold. I was suggesting that such was not the case - that it
COULD very well be sold, transfered, whatever. The fact that most
people do not choose these options does not render them impossible.
Msg #8542 Dated 0:26:00 07-12-91 8461 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: STAMPS
Did she later have a vowel movement?
Msg #8543 Dated 0:46:04 07-12-91 8541 <--> 8559
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
No -- just very inadvisable, and usually only entered into by people
who have no choice. Hungry as I have been at times in my writing
career, I have never done a buyout, and wouldn't AT ANY PRICE --
really; there's just something about losing control of my creations
that I can't deal with. My mentalism books are something else
entirely; those I write with the intention that people WILL perform the
stuff...
Msg #8544 Dated 1:58:27 07-12-91 8422 <--> 8545
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: STAMPS
Did they attack its colon ?
Msg #8545 Dated 1:58:32 07-12-91 8542 <--> 8562
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: STAMPS
Very punny ! A vowel movement - aaarrrrgggghhhhh !
.
Read your piece of bizarre magic - what is geotic magic ? Can't find
a reference to it.
Msg #8546 Dated 1:58:39 07-12-91 8492 <--> 8554
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BIROSAN
I'll be there as well as the Close in Nov or Dec if Geno can get it
together. Vegas has 2 of my favorite things - Magic and Poker. See
you there.
.
I went through the process of compressing my E,F, & G drives into one
77 meg E drive. Didn't have the guts to merge C & D to a single 40
meg - I just couldn't bring myself to reformat the C drive with the
potential of losing it.
Msg #8547 Dated 1:58:48 07-12-91 8456 <--> 8555
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LEFT OVERS
His main gig his working the lobby area of a large dental facility.
By the time he gets through with the patients they forget all about
the potential of pain that lies ahead.
.
He definitely is two people in one. Danny is very quiet, but the
Jester is a wild man.
Msg #8548 Dated 1:58:57 07-12-91 8478 <--> 8592
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BURGER SEMINAR
It will be at Bill Pierces home in Huntington Beach at 7:30 pm. Cost
$ 15 or 25, depending on how many people show-up. If you want
directions call me at the office (714) 535-8161.
Msg #8549 Dated 1:59:02 07-12-91 8463 <--> 8558
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH LECTURE
Count me in. Last time I saw Roth work was at the NY seminar about
4 years ago. He is terrific.
.
Saw him last week in NY at Mostly Magic, just as a spectator at
John Carneys show.
Msg #8550 Dated 1:59:08 07-12-91 8505 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: GLAD YOU MADE IT BACK
I certainly hope so. Do plan on publishing that Ring and String you
did for us. Some of the moves were very unique.
Msg #8551 Dated 1:59:11 07-12-91 8509 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MICHAEL OVERLY
Re: FULLERTON CLASSES
Just got the fall catalog in the mail today and still would like to
know if any one knows who Dave Thorsen, MA Professional Magician and
Don Schweitzer, Phd, lecturer are ?
.
Catalog says "Learn the techniques of Close-up and Stand-up Magic and
how to develop your own presentation style".
.
They are members of S.A.M. - anyone know them ??
Msg #8554 Dated 6:19:09 07-12-91 8538 <--> 8568
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIROSAN
I'll make a copy for myself and send the original down to her dad to
see and then he can send it along to Becky who probably has her moles
out digging up copies anyway. Thanks.
Msg #8555 Dated 6:19:15 07-12-91 8547 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: LEFT OVERS
I can see how Sylvester The Jester could make one forget about the
impending whatever. I watched his act three days ina row and would
like to see it again. Does he use the Jester personna at the clinic?
Msg #8558 Dated 9:16:31 07-12-91 8463 <--> 8560
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH LECTURE
Got your name down and will let you know about the final fee.
Msg #8559 Dated 9:19:49 07-12-91 8540 <--> 8576
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Is it ethical to charge a premium price for a book and not permit the
purchaser to utilize its contents? Is it legal? Both questions are
quite relevant and essential to the issue.
'W.
Msg #8560 Dated 9:21:34 07-12-91 8549 <-
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: DAVID ROTH LECTURE
I wrote your name down Jerry and I will let you know the fee as soon as
it is set. David Roth is one of my mentors so as you can guess I am
very excited about getting to see and meet the man for the first time.
Msg #8562 Dated 9:33:38 07-12-91 8464 <--> 8563
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAMPS
One might consider Crayborgue's defenses as a sort of reverse stealth
concept - whereas the stealth goes by you before you see it, you go
by Crayborgue before you see it.
Msg #8563 Dated 9:33:52 07-12-91 8471 <--> 8574
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAMPS
Jest be careful you don't go into any caves and say "Shazam"!
Msg #8564 Dated 9:33:58 07-12-91 8496 <--> 8565
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
I do know of the Rodia Towers, but by the sometimes name of "Watts
Towers". No doubt I have seen the Vasquez Rocks many times, since I
have been known to view the scenes wherein you describe them being.
My reference to SLC as a "sleeper" convention is my way of saying
that it is a site people ordinary don't know much about but which has
great potential. Baltimore was somewhat of a sleeper in that many
knew it by its older seeder image and were surprised to see the inner
harbor area with its renovations. Sort of the same idea as a movie
that is called a "sleeper". Also got a few ideas for SLC that may
produce some nice surprises.
Msg #8565 Dated 9:34:21 07-12-91 8497 <--> 8593
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
I am glad to learn that you did get into the stacks. Leonard also
took me through many other rare collections including the cook books
(another of his projects), the Hitler collection, and the books left
from the library of the Romanov children, and others. Another great
memory was being able to look through a copy of Thomas Ady's "A
Candle in the Dark". There are also a few posters in the "Houdini"
collection.
Msg #8566 Dated 9:34:40 07-12-91 8499 <--> 8570
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS
Carrying that thought forward might lead one to selling disks or
diskettes rather than paper magazines. I am most interested to see
what the first issue looks like and how it is different from Genii
and the other magic publications.
Msg #8567 Dated 9:34:52 07-12-91 8500 <--> 8571
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM
I used to have a green suit, but I forgot to water it. Howsomever,
I DO have a green baseball cap!
Msg #8568 Dated 9:35:00 07-12-91 8501 <--> 8569
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Fascinating! Sounds like a most timely version of Willy Wonka's
Chocolate Factory. Gadzooks! You seem to have dabbled in as many
different things as someone else I know! Did you get to keep any
samples from the watch factory tour?
Msg #8569 Dated 9:35:13 07-12-91 8502 <--> 8572
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIROSAN
I am impressed! I have only communicated with shareware authors
until now. Have you authored any other software that I might have
heard of or used?
Msg #8570 Dated 9:35:23 07-12-91 8511 <--> 8594
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONVENTIONS
I will try to look, howsomever, I think my Sphinx files are still
boxed up in the garage. Maybe I can get to Scotty's and check out if
he has those years. Have you ever talked to Johnny Gaughan? He
might have some old Thayer photos or know of someone who does. Even
if he doesn't have any, he is a great guy to know. I suspect you
two would like each other, although I have never known Johnny to
wear pink baseball caps.
Msg #8571 Dated 9:35:42 07-12-91 8512 <--> 8573
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FISM
The earlier Howie was not as mellowed out as the current model. Did
this version look friendly? Was he selling shirts by any chance?
Msg #8572 Dated 9:35:50 07-12-91 8513 <--> 8578
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Maybe I should get you involved in the publicity, program layout,
hotel set up sheets, scheduling, ticket sorting, and financial book-
keeping end of things. Feel free to pick any of the above or any
others that I forgot to include.
Oh...BTW...the check is in the mail (heh..heh...I love to say that!)
You keep 'em! If you send 'em to me, the kids will use 'em for Star
Trek communicators. You should also feel free to use 'em in January
for the Nashville bash.
Ckrabourgnites are always welcome at any convention in which I am
involved.
Msg #8573 Dated 9:36:15 07-12-91 8514 <--> 8596
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FISM
Don't you regard Biro as a trend setter?
Msg #8574 Dated 9:36:21 07-12-91 8515 <--> 8577
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAMPS
You might also wish to consider incorporation of a Zombie gimmick
into the flag staff and start calling it a foulard instead of a flag.
I did know about your grandad being named after Benj. Franklin, but
not that your uncle was also. Don't know if my family is on the
Pocohontas monument or not as I have never looked at it. Probably
about time I took the kids to Jamestown for a visit anyhow. Got to
dig more into the family background before SLC next year, maily cause
my main interest up to now has been to keep my Uncle Sam Brown's Army
Navy Colt (damn Yankee sniper got him at Spotsylvania Courthouse in
1864) and my unknown ancestor's Kentucky long rifle in good shape. I
do know that my Grandma was a Henry and that there is at least a
Custis and a Spotswood back there someplace. Got to be careful cause
if you dig around enough in Virginia ancestors we are likely to dis-
cover we are kin to each other. Those boats just were not that big.
Msg #8575 Dated 9:36:56 07-12-91 8516 <--> 8602
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC!
What do you mean? Make all this stuff up? You mean the Tabman is
just a figment of imagination? Gloria? Ckragbourg? Hotel DeCarlo?
Joe Dancers? Tables? Joe...say it isn't so!
Msg #8576 Dated 9:37:06 07-12-91 8517 <--> 8588
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Frankly, I thought the gravity there was somewhat spontaneous.
Msg #8577 Dated 9:37:11 07-12-91 8542 <--> 8585
From: BILL WELLS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: STAMPS
Great! I give that at least a 9.9 on the pun scale!!!!
BTW...I have been meaning to ask you. Did you ever publish any more
Science Fiction? If so, please tell me what and where. I very much
enjoyed the one effort of yours many, many years ago before I knew
you were any way involved in magic, but never again found you in
print.
Msg #8578 Dated 9:37:28 07-12-91 8546 <--> 8590
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: BIROSAN
I have never gone to a Close Encounters as the November date used
to coincide with the I.B.M. Board meetings. Now I only go to two
conventions a year - I.B.M. and DMS. I don't think I could stand any
more than that! Will be talking to Joe soon and should find out if
the Close Up in Vegas will be repeated. Make try to make it this
time if it is. Otherwise, March and DMS for sure.
Backing up entire hard disk is a pain and takes so damn many floppies
but I have little choice on my C: drive since I got to reformat the
D: drive portion. My E: drive (a second 40 meg HD) is already
contiguous. Wish I had the bread for a 130 megger as all the new
stuff seems to take so much space. Remember when a 10 meg HD was nor
than you could ever need?
Msg #8581 Dated 9:40:40 07-12-91 -> 8597
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAGIC-NL
Re: THANKS
Many, many thanks for the excellent FISM reports. I am glad you
didn't have the opportunity to edit out the "color". Thanks so
much for the time and effort and the tremedous expense involved
in sending this material over to the USA. Thanks also for the
update on our lost Biro. That is great news about his Russian
visit and could produce great things for the talent lineup in
Salt Lake City and the DMS. I know who he is trying to get and
it will be great if he is successful. Please give him our
regards and tell him Wells said to sign up some talent!
Msg #8583 Dated 9:48:17 07-12-91 -> 8614
From: BILL WELLS
To: ALL
Re: TV SPOT!
I was recently contacted by Denise Gosselin, a research
coordinator for Roggin's Heroes, a sport's blooper TV show that
should be familiar to those of you in the LA area. They are
interested in expanding the format beyond sport's and are
currently looking at magic gone wrong as a possible area of
interest. I have talked to Denise a number of times and
attempted to link her up with a couple of people who might be
able to help her. We have a verbal agreement that they will not
use any material that exposes the effects, but rather will use
tapes that show funny situations because the tricks did not work
or something funny happens during the performance. They are also
interested in "cod" acts or acts where the tricks deliberately go
wrong. They will, of course, pay for any footage they use. If
you are interested and have tape you think might qualify, here is
the pitch in Denise's own words:
To all you magic makers,
How would you like to be put on television? Well, if you have an
funny, magical, wacky stuff on video - we want you!!
My name is Denise Gosselin and I am currently working on the TV
show "Roggin's Heroes". It is a nationally syndicated clip show
that highlights sports bloopers, out takes and home videos.
We have just begun our second season, and we are thinking of
producing a segment on magicians. We are looking for the funny
things you caught on tape - How about the time you pulled a bird
from the hat instead of a rabbit? Or when you could not undo the
"linking rings?" We are also in search of those breathtaking
tricks that captivated audiences.
So then, if you should have an footage for us to screen, please
send it to: Roggin's Heroes
c/o NBC
3000 West Alameda Ave.
Burbank, CA 91523
ATTN: Denise Gosselin, Research Coordinator
Phone Number - (818) 840-3055
Msg #8585 Dated 10:10:41 07-12-91 8542 <--> 8586
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: STAMPS
I must admit that in the more than twenty years since the event, that
particular thought had never occurred to me. Perhaps there is yet
another paper on the incident?
Msg #8586 Dated 10:14:18 07-12-91 8562 <--> 8601
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: STAMPS
It depends on your mode of transportation. Tachyons move at a
different rate in Crayborgue.
When I was in college I wrote a short story about a Kirby vaccum
cleaner salesman visiting Crayborgue - just didn't know the name of the
place at the time. It was one of my first published pieces. Alas, I
have no idea where my copy of it might be, or I would send it to the
Tabman.
Msg #8588 Dated 10:22:34 07-12-91 8543 <--> 8603
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
It is really interesting how these explorations trigger thinking and
insight - Tabby sure was right when he said, "Whatever magicians think
about is magic."
Within the last couple of days, your message and one concerning the
Rodia Towers have both appeared here. Apparently, Simon Rodia labored
on those towers for a great portion of his life. Then, one day, he
decided they were finished and he abandoned them and moved to Northern
California (I suspect you already know this story, I am, in part,
citing it for others). A few years later, the city attempted to
declare them hazardous and planned to tear them down. A reporter
located Simon and brought him the news. His response was something
like, "So what."
I find that I am passionately concerned about my creations while I am
creating them. Once they are completed to my satisfaction and turned
over to publishers, etc. I couldn't care less. In many cases, once the
check has cleared, I can't even remember their names. Somehow, it is
the act of creation that I find appealing, not the particular creations
themselves.
MAGIC! is somewhat of a unique exception to the above. I have worked
hard in an attempt to make sure that the files from here are preserved,
perhaps because they include the work of others as well as my own. I
have also worked with the Advisory Board to develop a plan for MAGIC!'s
continuance should I become incapacitated.
Msg #8589 Dated 10:50:33 07-12-91 8535 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: INSIDE MAGIC
Thanks alot. I owe you one. Please feel free to take me up on it at
anytime. MIKE.
Msg #8590 Dated 10:48:04 07-12-91 8568 <--> 8591
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: BIROSAN
We were presented with various memorabilia from the tour, including
some chocolate molded into the shape of watch movements. In return, we
sent those who had planned and executed it some memorabilia from our
own operations. (The plural in this case refers to my wife and I).
As a result of the business connection, we do have two watches that
were given to us - one is my "$60,000 watch" and the other is a
RockWatch - the case is made from a single piece of granite taken from
the Swiss Alps.
Msg #8591 Dated 10:51:58 07-12-91 8569 <--> 8598
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: BIROSAN
My output is split between the retail marketplace and corporate custom
work. Corporate clients have included TransAmerica, Northrup,
Lockheed, Great Western Bank, and Prudential-Bache, to name a few.
My retail materials have generally beeen published under a variety of
brand names. The largest selling is "Teach Yourself Lotus 1-2-3" from
American Training International.
It is conservatively estimated that my products have been used by
three-quarters of a million people. Small by entertainment standards,
but rather large when compared with the teaching role of, say, a
college professor.
Oh, lest I forget, some have also been translated into four or five
languages.
Msg #8592 Dated 11:00:44 07-12-91 8548 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: BURGER SEMINAR
Thanks for the info. I'm afraid that I've decided to skip the trip to
Huntington Beach. If you go, please give Burger MAGIC!'s regards.
Msg #8593 Dated 11:03:57 07-12-91 8564 <--> 8668
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
The Baltimore site was beautiful and did indeed change my impression of
the town. The hotel staff were terrific. It has been a long time
since I've been to Salt Lake City and I'm looking forward to it.
Msg #8594 Dated 11:07:13 07-12-91 8566 <--> 8595
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: CONVENTIONS
Diskette based magazines have been tried for computer related
publications. Outside of the Amiga, they have met with limited
success. We are in the process of making "back issues" of MAGIC!
available on diskette.
Msg #8595 Dated 11:12:40 07-12-91 8570 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: CONVENTIONS
I spoke with Johnny Gaughan at DMS a couple of times. I found him
to be a gentleman of high order. One of the reasons I came out to DMS
was the Saturday session with Gaughan and Steinmeyer.
Msg #8596 Dated 11:12:46 07-12-91 8571 <--> 8600
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: FISM
He looked both friendly and happy. A pleasant experience seeing him
pass by. Especially since I'd been talking to the real Howie moments
before.
Msg #8597 Dated 11:11:21 07-12-91 8581 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: THANKS
Just for the record - MAGIC-NL called in to pick up all the
PCAM/IBM/SAM reports. Arnaud also calls in to get the messages, etc.
But the expense of picking up the FISM coverage from the Netherlands
has been mine.
Msg #8598 Dated 11:12:51 07-12-91 8572 <--> 8599
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: BIROSAN
The events you are part of are both excellent and two that I am
looking 4ward to next year. I have to make the Buffalo area at least
once a year to see the guys up there as they have more fun than
anyone on their turf.
Msg #8599 Dated 11:13:01 07-12-91 8572 <--> 8604
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: BIROSAN
Oh yeah, I'd be glad to help any way I can, you know that.
Msg #8600 Dated 11:13:04 07-12-91 8573 <--> 8661
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: FISM
Pete is the trend. His aura is so bright that I thought I caught
sight of him yesterday during the eclipse.
Msg #8601 Dated 11:13:09 07-12-91 8574 <--> 8647
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: STAMPS
My mom was twelve when they dedicated the statue and was chosen to
pull the drape from the statue at the unveiling. I have the stuff
for the SAR on my desk for two years and must do it someday so my
sons will be legacy. Bone Pony in office today and I am being
pulled to shop. Gloria has gone to big flea mkt down the road to
look for magic and gambling books which sometimes show up, plus
cantalope and sweet corn. I like living in the middle of the Amish
farm zone down here.
Msg #8602 Dated 11:13:19 07-12-91 8575 <--> 8609
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: MAGIC!
Imagination has lead, and I have followed.
Msg #8603 Dated 11:13:23 07-12-91 8576 <--> 8648
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: SAM DAY 1
Spontaneous gravity. An interesting concept.
Msg #8604 Dated 11:13:27 07-12-91 8578 <--> 8652
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: BIROSAN
Close Encounters is an excellent small convention. Last year there
were 60 - 70 people there and that's just about right for the
facility - The Jade Palace Restaurant. It will probably conflict
with Las Vegas Close Up it sounds like so I would have mixed feelings
since I do like visiting Las Vegas.
Msg #8609 Dated 14:03:40 07-12-91 8602 <--> 8611
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS
Re: MAGIC!
Sorry, I meant LED.
Msg #8611 Dated 16:18:09 07-12-91 8228 <--> 8618
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC!
I downloaded the Magic! flyer and it talks about a seminar we won't be
having at Colon. I'll take it and modify it with details of how to
reach Magic! on the back. I'll upload the text in the next day or so.
.
Randy
Msg #8612 Dated 17:11:04 07-12-91
From: ALVIN MUELLER
To: ALL
Re: ORANGE COUNTY MAGIC CLUB
Yes that's right our once a year flea_market is back !! Again !!
At this market are all kinds of magic & books to buy.
Please come FREE ADMISSION TO ALL Where: Our Redeemer Lutheran Church
12301 Magnolia Blvd. Garden Grove Ca.//North of Garden Grove Blvd.
Just past Lampson..Parking in the rear. When: July 16th at 8:00pm.
That's this Tues. There will be lots of vendors there so come on down
With you in magic: Alvin Mueller Sec O.C.M.C.
For More Info. Please Call 714-774-6883
Msg #8614 Dated 18:31:27 07-12-91 8583 <--> 8638
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS
Re: TV SPOT!
I wonder if Roggin's Heroes is willing to minimally pay SAG or AFTRA
scale for usage of your footage, or is this another "Let's Get
Professionals Performers To Work For Free While WE All Get Big Bucks"
rip-off?
'W.
Msg #8615 Dated 18:44:16 07-12-91
From: HUGH TURLEY
To: ALL
Re: BEV BERGERON ADDRESS
Hi gang. I would like to write to bev bergeron. If anyone has his
address I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance or arigato gozaimas
perhaps. -h. turley
Msg #8618 Dated 19:19:36 07-12-91 8611 <--> 8623
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGIC!
ARGH! You are right! I had the two flyers mixed up! Very sorry. And
my personal computer is still not whole, so I haven't got the proper
text to send you. Will look forward to your upload.
Msg #8620 Dated 19:16:46 07-12-91 8417 <-
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE PERATA
Re: WHATTZUP??
Most of Minchillo's act you've probably seen at previous meetings. He
did (I'm not sure where you came in) the Hindu Sword Basket, and a dove
routine where 4 doves were made to appear, then vanished cage & all in
a single stroke.
Meeting at the hilton won't be so bad. It's not far from the old Willow
Creek Center, presumably with better facilities as well.
I'll show you the card house effect, but it's 50 percent magic and 50
percent real balance, so it doesn't always work. Besides that a lacking
a presentation, it's a great trick!
Thanks for the ride home, again! (and again and again and again).
Oh yeah, the comedy themed show (It's not a competition!) is in
September. The themes after that for this year are:
October.....Table Hopping (Good practice for th
Hilton)
Hilton!)
November....It's in the Bag (how many change bag
tricks will we see?)
December....Ropes & Hanks (?!?!?)
Msg #8623 Dated 19:32:54 07-12-91 8618 <-
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC!
Here she comes, two files flyer.txt is in wp 5.1 format and flyer.asc
is in ASCII. The wp file is easier to use. Please give me your
comments and I'll run it thru the DTP and have a couple of hundred
copies at Abbotts.
.
Randy
Msg #8625 Dated 20:08:17 07-12-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FISM DAY 5 PT 1 OF 2
Here's today's report from FISM...
Message #621 - Echomail MAGIC!-US
Date : 12-Jul-91 19:13
From : Arnaud Van.Rietschoten
To : Magic-Us
Subject : FISM report
FISM REPORT 12 JULY 1991. DAY 5...THE END IS NEARING.......
===========================================================
After ca. 100 contestants we finalize the stage competition.
Where the previous days had a very avarge level of performance
todays competion was one hit after the other.
We began with 2 dramatical moments.
I think by now you must have received the message the temperature
in the theatre is on melting level. In fact is so bad that the
mentalism performer Mr. Abrax from France, fainted in the middle
of his performance and went complete knock-out.
The jury ordered to close the curtain, and Mr. Lennart Green,
a praticing doctor, went behind stage to give some assistance.
Fortunately the man recovered very quickly.
Afterwards rumor went that he faked his sickness, because he
forgot how to complete hios routine (Horse-jump chess effect).
I must admit he fainted very strange.....he gave a big yell,
fell stiff backward, while normally one would not yell, and
sink thru his legs....Anyway something to talk about.
I told you yesterday about the fire accident. Magicians have
the talent to copy very quickly...and yes we had another fire
on stage. Ven Veos (female performer from Portugal) had a vase with
some fire. However she spoiled a bit of her oil, and after
putting the vase back on the table....the table got fire.
You she the performers quickly adapt themself to these crisis
situations......she simply blowed the fire out.
Amiao (PT) had a nice dove cage vanish. It was like the Asrah....
the cage levitated and in mid-air the cloth was pulled, and cage
was gone. Rest of the act &%&%&.
Vikj (Italy) was most probably the starter of the audience madness
this morning...he showed some very nice, comedy, effects.
Visually strong was his dancing cane...while flying, he threw a silk
towards it, the cane picked it up in flight.....looked nice.
The guy ended with some very funny effects. Another trend in magic,
most probably triggered by Rudy Coby, is body magic. This guy
showed some nice levitation effects behind a cloth. He floated
upside down...and had his hat on his feet.
Mike Shera is herewith honered by MAGIC!-NL as the best dutch per-
former in the competition. In Mozart style he showed some very nice,
classic styled, effects. Good job Mike....
Tatu Tyni (Finland) showed a very standard manipulation act, but
performed on a very good manner. He did a ball manipulation rou-
tine and ended with 12 balls. Very easy....good steals....3rd
prize level.
Mimosa (France) had a very humoristic act....no comedy. Blew a
balloon out of his ear. Performed a raccoon bit..and followed
with a Wilhelm Tell act by placing an apple on his head.
He modelled a balloon in a bow...with some very funny moves.
Hard to describe but very visual...and good response.
Celio had a nice thing worth mentioning. He had a red jojo...in the
upward motion of the jojo the jojo changed into a silk. Next a
white jojo changed in the up motion into a dove. Rest was
AAAARRRGGGHH.
Gil & Dany (France - Comedy) had the laughs of the morning.
He came up with a suitcase..which appeared to be his wife suitecase.
She corrected the error, but when he picked up the case..it fell open
and a big mess of magicians props dropped out of it.
He sent his wife off with a pack of money, and she returned with
dealer-bags from Magic Hands, Mephisto house, etc....
He produced unfeathered chikens (plastic....don't worry) that he
handles as doves. Also fun was his zombie where he started floating,
and the cube, in this case, remained at the table.
Danilin (USSR) was one of the surprises from FISM 88 in The Hague.
He appeared there unannounced and wanted to compete. This was too
late to arrange so was put in the Gala (without knowing what he
did). This time he competed in General Magic...and was the second
one to get the audience from their chairs.
He has a rectangle shield on stage...walks behind it...wears a hat,
another time behind the screen.....has a table.
Behind the shield many strange things happen. Danilin walks behind
the shield as if he decends stairs. Costume changes and a levita-
tion. It was a pitty in the finale he produced a girl, revealing
why the strange things happened behind that black shield. How
beautifull the girl was it stil was give-away and the act did not
need that production.
(Continued in next message...)
Msg #8626 Dated 20:09:26 07-12-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FISM DAY 5 PT 2 OF 2
Topas closed the morning. This 2nd prize winner in manipulation
during FISM 88 did improve his act in the last 3 year. The basics
are still the same, modern music, glasses, bells. He changed the
end with some nice bell productions.
Enric Magoo (Spain) came up as Frankenstein. Showed a one man
illusion, with the chair suspension. His ending was very funny,
he produced a skull, and 'Smummertime' from the motion picture
started playing. Together with the skull he sang this song, and
the backing-vocals were done by 3 skulls appearing outof a
treasure-box. He did a zombe with the skull (while still singing),
and at the end the skull became a complete skeleton.
The act was apparently heavily inspired by Copperfields Caribean
singing neck-ties.
Alpha (France) changed the setting of his tropical bird act. He
now comes up as a pirate. The productions are very spectacular
and I now did not get the impression he treated his birds very
bad as I previously always had. He produced cackatoos, lots of
parrots. All his birds are very well trained. After production
of the birds they fly a circle and go to their stand.
OTHERS
======
o Stickers with the text 'FISM 2000 - VIENNA' are located in the
convention area. Other countries are also thinking about
FISM 2000. For 1997 Berlin has shown interest.
o Today the prize ceremony is scheduled between 1500 and 1600
hours (8-9 am LA time).
I will try to make contact with Nl and US directly after the
overall winner is known. So make sure to be online shortly
after that time.
I still have to find out if I can hook on my modem here at the
convention center to a telephone line.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
Msg #8638 Dated 22:43:50 07-12-91 8583 <-
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: BILL WELLS
Re: TV SPOT!
Has this been thought out from the magicians
point of view?
Msg #8645 Dated 23:20:06 07-12-91
From: JOSEPH FOX
To: ALL
Re: SUPREME MAGIC
Any Magic dealers in the U.S. that carry the Supreme Magic line?
Currently interested in obtaining the David DeVal video on Escapes that
is now available through them. Please respond if you know of any such
distributor.
Msg #8647 Dated 23:51:12 07-12-91 8577 <--> 8655
From: T A WATERS
To: BILL WELLS
Re: STAMPS
Since you say one effort I dunno which one you missed -- I wrote THE
PROBABILITY PAD for Pyramid, and CENTERFORCE for Dell; the former a
light comedy, the latter an odd tragedy -- both in paperback way back
when.
Msg #8648 Dated 23:55:43 07-12-91 8559 <--> 8649
From: T A WATERS
To: WAYNE POWERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
If you inform the prospective buyer of the conditions BEFORE the sale,
any conditions are both ethical and legal. I could, for example,
release a mentalism routine with the understanding that the buyer was
only permitted to perform it while wearing a Bozo The Clown outfit, and
as long as that was known prior to purchase, I don't think there would
be any ethical problem...
...and the gag there is that Bozo is, of course, a licensed
image, so that wouldn't really be enforceable -- but a generic clown
makeup requirement would be...hm?
Come to think of it, maybe I've got something here -- MURKY THE
MENTAL CLOWN: He Throws Pies Into Your MIND!!!
Msg #8649 Dated 0:00:52 07-13-91 8588 <--> 8650
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Different people have varying feelings about their creations -- when I
write a book, I am ready to kill over a comma. When I create mentalism
and publish it, I do so with the expectation that a lot of it will be
murdered in performance but that some of it may be done well -- and I
accept that. When I write a screenplay, it is with the prior
expectation that it will be changed, because that's the reality and HAS
to be accepted.
The bottom line is that I control my creations -- and only I have
the right to decide their fates.
Msg #8650 Dated 0:00:18 07-13-91 8648 <--> 8651
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
As you know, I do not pretend to be a lawyer, nor do I pretend to offer
legal advice, but as a layperson I do not believe that your message
contains correct information.
1) Informing the buyer - i.e. the "shrinkwrap contract" has yet to be
tested. Only one state, so far as I know, Louisiana, has a law
regarding such "contracts" and I do not believe it has been tested.
Traditional contract law requires the buyer to acknowledge - i.e. sign
- the contract.
2) There is no reason that you could not stipulate the wearing of a
Bozo the Clown suit as a condition, even if such a costume belonged to
a third party with whom you had no agreement, and even if the license
to wear one was unobtainable - all you would be doing, I believe, would
be limiting the use of your product in a perfectly legal manner.
Msg #8651 Dated 0:06:29 07-13-91 8649 <--> 8653
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Once I've turned most of mine loose in the world, I really loose
interest in them. From a legal perspective there is a different
"wrinkle" - copyright law. Under most conditions, it is my
understanding that the publisher can no longer apply for the copyright
without me, the author, assigning them the right to do so.
I guess this discussion highlights one of the nice parts of the
creative process - it leaves so much room for creativity.
Msg #8652 Dated 0:09:44 07-13-91 8604 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB
Re: BIROSAN
Is there a date set on LV Close Up?
Msg #8653 Dated 0:09:05 07-13-91 8650 <--> 8654
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
David, we're talking apples and oranges here; you are speaking of the
book restrictions that have been coming out lately and I am talking
about licensing. Those software contracts are absurd, and I doubt that
they'd hold up -- same is probably true of the magic stuff.
Msg #8654 Dated 0:11:25 07-13-91 8651 <--> 8656
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
In book publishing the standard practice is to copyright in the
author's name; I will not sign a contract without it.
Msg #8655 Dated 0:12:30 07-13-91 8461 <--> 8659
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAMPS
Help me with the Freud connection. Am I missing something?
Msg #8656 Dated 0:11:04 07-13-91 8653 <--> 8657
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
No, regardless of the type of sale, book, license, you name it, the
buyer would still, in my understanding, have to acknowledge the
agreement - the size/type of the purchase/license would not matter.
The software licenses ARE also licenses, and if you've seen one
license, you've seen 'em all. Same game, same rules.
Msg #8657 Dated 0:13:26 07-13-91 8654 <--> 8663
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
I believe it is more than "standard practice," T.A., it is the LAW.
Msg #8659 Dated 0:14:18 07-13-91 8655 <--> 8660
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: STAMPS
Vowels are regarded as female gender symbols, consonants are regarded
as male. Geneva ate a set of vowels, hence our Freudian could go
overboard on her analysis. I still believe it was either purely random
chance, or, being more frequently used, they had more ink on them and
perhaps she found them to be more tasty.
Msg #8660 Dated 0:16:55 07-13-91 8534 <--> 8676
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STAN LAKE
Re: STAMPS
Promise not to talk about the you-know-what marks, as long as NO ONE
ELSE DOES... And, mm, what was that address again?
Msg #8661 Dated 0:19:41 07-13-91 8439 <--> 8662
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FISM
Okay, is this true, or not?
Msg #8662 Dated 0:20:29 07-13-91 8472 <--> 8669
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM
Do you think it might be something in the water? Growing the hair, not
stopping up the drain.
Msg #8663 Dated 0:23:02 07-13-91 8442 <--> 8664
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
But you could very well sell all your rights to the publisher -- you
just don't choose to. A script sold to the movies is SOLD -- not
licensed. The movie in turn is licensed to theatres, TV, etc... I'm
sure you know this, just clarifying...
Wayne's cookbook analogy is not a bad one -- there is the question of
expectations here -- what rights people expect they are getting when
they purchase a magic book. Which is why I think the rights statement
should have been on the cover of the book. Whether or not the rights
statement would legally hold water (I doubt it), is another question.
Never knew about the SF books. Pretty darn cool...
Msg #8664 Dated 0:26:36 07-13-91 8449 <--> 8665
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN
Re: SAM DAY 1
I'm sure your computer is uploading correctly. Your point, however,
was not as clear -- if it was, I would not have asked for
clarification.
Msg #8665 Dated 0:29:44 07-13-91 8539 <--> 8666
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
A screenwriter's work is really never licsensed. It is sold. Either
as work-for-hire, if he or she was paid to write it, or as an outright
purchase of property.
The rights the screenwriter retains have nothing to do with purchase
vs. licsneing. It has to do with either the contract the writer signs
with the buyer, or more probably, with the contract the major buyers
sign with the Writer's Guild, which FORCES them to reserve some rights
for the screenwriter. But, the material is still the buyers.
Msg #8666 Dated 0:33:20 07-13-91 8648 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
Ethical, yeah. Legal? I really don't think that's a sure point, TA.
Remember the discussion here a while ago about effect vs method?
Msg #8668 Dated 0:38:30 07-13-91 8474 <--> 8670
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
Actually no. Please inform your High Priest.
Msg #8669 Dated 0:38:45 07-13-91 8662 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: FISM
Don't know - it might have something to do with how frequently we visit
the person who cuts it or maybe the water they make their coffee with.
So far, so good - as we like hair around here.
Msg #8670 Dated 0:39:32 07-13-91 8476 <--> 8671
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
Two questions. First -- was the refrigeration system for the room
amazing? And second, can you subscribe to this thing? How restricted
and/or expensive is it?
Msg #8671 Dated 0:41:00 07-13-91 8668 <--> 8672
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
Remind me, a humble servant to your caste, to show it to you. It's
easier to learn than an Elmsley.
Msg #8672 Dated 0:41:31 07-13-91 8496 <--> 8673
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
Donde esta el "Vasquez Rocks?"
Msg #8673 Dated 0:41:48 07-13-91 8670 <--> 8674
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
Yes, the refrigeration system was amazing, although most mainframe
computers are WATER COOLED - actually have plumbing in 'em.
YES, you can buy access to Dialog. Since Lockheed sold the company and
I gave up my access a couple of years ago, I can't be certain that the
present methods are the same as the ones that I knew. Basically, there
were two ways - you could be a corporate user and you paid a set-up fee
plus access costs of $10 to $500 an hour (depending on which database
you were accessing) plus some additional fees (patent searchs, for
example, were something like $500 PER SEARCH). The other way was a
service called DIALOG AFTER DARK that was designed for "consumers."
Cheaper rates, but not access to everything. Call info. and ask for
Dialog Information Services in the Palo Alto area - There used to be an
800 number, don't know if there still is.
Msg #8674 Dated 0:45:51 07-13-91 8672 <--> 8677
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
Norte. En la region I-5 y I-14.
Msg #8676 Dated 0:57:01 07-13-91 8659 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: STAMPS
Interesting. In all my travels, I'd never heard of the vowel
distinction. Whacky.
Msg #8677 Dated 0:59:52 07-13-91 8671 <--> 8678
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
When we meet for an aliah. For aliahs, we need each other.
Msg #8678 Dated 1:00:35 07-13-91 8673 <--> 8679
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
I assume they don't really have all the books in the LOC on there --
because I can't figure out how they'd _get them._ What am I missing?
Msg #8679 Dated 1:01:15 07-13-91 8674 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
Si. Gracias.
Msg #8680 Dated 1:50:05 07-13-91 8676 <--> 8696
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: STAMPS
The vowel distinction is well supported in the Freudian camp.
Msg #8681 Dated 1:50:42 07-13-91 8677 <--> 8682
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
True! Although I believe that I can take your place if there is no-one
of your caste available. On the other hand, if you aren't called
first, you can't be called at all, except for Hagba or Galilah.
Msg #8682 Dated 1:51:44 07-13-91 8678 <--> 8701
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
They have the card catalog online, not the books. Most of Dialog is
references to references, although it is becoming more and more common
for full-texts to be stored. The LOC catalog really is a SMALL PART of
all that is there. There are medical, legal, and scientific databases,
the abstracts of ALL dissertations published in the U.S. since the very
first one at Harvard in 17-something, all registered trademarks are
searchable, as is the patent system, etc., etc.
Msg #8683 Dated 2:21:21 07-13-91 8603 <--> 8692
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Actually there is no such thing as gravity - the earth sucks.
Msg #8684 Dated 2:21:26 07-13-91 8578 <--> 8698
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS
Re: BIROSAN
Joe says he can't do it from Kansas. It takes someone on site. Hit on
Gino - he is the key.
.
Hey I remember 1 meg floppies as being major storage. DOS is such a
byte-pig, I too wish for 100's of meg.
Msg #8685 Dated 2:21:33 07-13-91 8555 <--> 8703
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LEFT OVERS
Always - any time he does magic the Jester emerges.
.
He dresses the same when he comes to the castle, it drives Bill
crazy, but he is within the dress code.
Msg #8686 Dated 2:21:40 07-13-91 8592 <--> 8706
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BURGER SEMINAR
Just got back from the lecture and am just now seeing this message.
He did about 3 hours of performance and explanation. Really good
stuff - hopefully he got through to some of the granite heads in
attendance. His comments on demonstartion versus performance should
have hit home, will wait and see when they perform (read demonstrate)
next.
.
He has started to do things in a manner more appropriate to his perso
nna and it is really quite good, particuliarly when you see how he
has simplified the handling of some card things. Very powerful magic
indeed.
.
Msg #8687 Dated 2:21:52 07-13-91 8560 <--> 8724
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DARRELL MURPHY
Re: DAVID ROTH LECTURE
Burger made an interesting comment tonight about Roth. He was talking
about doing a slight very softly so as to avoid having anyone think
you have anything in your 'empty' hand. He mentioned Roth as being
a master of the soft touch and manipulating coins very lightly,
rather than using a white knucle death-grip that becomes so obvious.
.
I look forward to seeing him work again, let me know how and where.
I've already blocked out the 10th, see you there.
Msg #8688 Dated 2:22:01 07-13-91 8661 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ
Re: FISM
Is what true or not ? Are you refering to the real Evan Katz clan of
which you must be a clone ? Yes it is absolutely true I even have
pictures to prove it.
.
In Pensylvannia (or is it Transylvania ?) the Katzes as common as
Smiths, especially the Evan variety.
Msg #8689 Dated 2:22:10 07-13-91 8614 <--> 8691
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TV SPOT!
O' ye of little faith. Who would ever consider ripping off the most
respected art form on the planet.
Msg #8690 Dated 2:22:15 07-13-91 8612 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALVIN MUELLER
Re: ORANGE COUNTY MAGIC CLUB
Geez Al I havn't used all the fleas I bought last year and here its
time to buy some more.
.
I didn't know the little critters lived that long.
.
See you there - Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #8691 Dated 2:28:02 07-13-91 8689 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: TV SPOT!
Anyone who thinks he can get away with it.
'W.
Msg #8692 Dated 2:30:13 07-13-91 8648 <--> 8697
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Perhaps Murky the Mental Clown gets out on stage and THINKS about
making the audience laugh!
'W.
Msg #8693 Dated 7:46:22 07-13-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: FISM LAST DAY I
FISM REPORT 13 JULY 1991.....DAY 5....THE CLIMAX
================================================
Last night ended in a nightclub with a dutch group. Bob Dreibeek
among us was impressed by the striptease as he did not see any
steal. Fortunately the drinks costed $15,- per glass so we could
already go to bed at 4 o'clock.
Today was probably the best day for the dealers. Only at 15.00hrs
the prize ceremony was on the program, and before that time it
was one big dealer parade.
Yesterday evening there was a banquet with some acts. The incredible
russian juggler Kil was the only one that could keep us amused.
The traditional Swiss horn-player was not well received as well.
Also jean Merlin was on....but at that time I already left the room.
Mr. Pete Biro was located somewhere under a table with a strong
smell of wodka surrounding him. In his blue tuxedo (yes we also had
teh pleasure to watch it...) he was celebrating the birthday of the
russian performer 'Voronin'. The table was also occupied by Otto
Wessely, so you understand the ambiance.....
Furthermore the evening did not have that many surprises. Maybe now
is the time to give you an impression about the misorganisation
that we experience here in Lausanne.
More than once we hear how much the FISM 3 years ago in The Hague
was appreciated by the attendants. The origanisation here in
Switzerland has done no effort at all to give the convention that
little extra thing that makes you remember it after a few year.
Not because I happen to be dutch, but 3 years ago you cannot disagree
with the fact that many strange things happened.
What angers many of the 'conventioneers' is that the convention
really gives you the impression that at the end a lot of money will
be left over...and Garance & Co. will be the only few that have
good memories about the convention.
Jean Garance is giving a very bad show here. Example...all around
the premises big signs are shown that no flash is allowed during the
competiion...Mr. Garance, being a part of the jury, is the only one
making pictures.
The limit is of course the lack of aircondition here in the building,
while it is available in the building. The organisation did not want
to spend the money and did not hire it.
Ok...enough ....the above does not imply we are having a bad time
here. Among yourself we are having a great time here.. Lots of fun
Max....we saw your 'brother' (mr. Clairmont) performing some routines
'a l'improviste'. Here follows an inside report.
- His assistant turns around. A row of 5 SP symbols is put on the
table. On before hand a spectator is asked to point out a card,
and on Mr. Clairmont's sign ask his assistant to concentrate.
When the card is pointed Clairmont starts to mentally transport the
card to her....at a certain moment he gives the sign to have the
spectator say 'Please concentrate'. The girl now knows the cards.
- 2nd miroacle is with Tarot cards. The spectator is asked to turn-
over a part of the deck..and put it reversed back on top.
This is done once again..but now a bit deeper in the deck. After
4 times he stops..and the first face down card is the......devil.
During his patter he mentions the devil a few times.
What a pitty we have to miss these routines when he has changed his
house-style.
OTHERS
======
- Stan Allen's new magazine looks very promising. He did some good
PR here..and I really look forward to the first issue.
Msg #8694 Dated 7:47:14 07-13-91 -> 8709
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: FISM REPORT LAT DAY II
FISM 1994
=========
At the FISM assembly meeting in the morning they voted for the
location of FISM 1994.
Only Hungary and Japan were candidates (no Germany as rumored)
and the results after counting the votes are:
Hungary 25 votes
Japan 117 votes
The following is the literally text of the info folder (except
typos):
OUTLINE OF FISM 1994 TOKYO
==========================
1. Dates
The convention will be held from July 13 (Wednesday) to
July 18 (Monday), 1994.
2. Convention Place
We are currently in process of negotiating with a multi
number of suitable theatre candidates for conditions.
Among the candidates are Orchard Hall and Kohrakuen Ice
Palace. The convention place will be located in the center
of Tokyo near the shopping and amusements centers.
3. We will be appointing one of the of the first class hotels
as the major convention hotel but several other hotels
with less expensive rates will be available for convenience
of participants.
4. Contests, close-up shows, lectures and dealers' shows and
gala shows will be included in the program. Banquet will
also be organized.
5. We are seeking the possibility to make use of the most
advanced High Vision TV technology for close-up shows and
lectures. If this will take place, it makes it possible for
a large number of audience to enjoy the programs as if they
are just in front of the performers and this will become
the first attempt in the FISM's history.
6. The grand special gala show will feature the first class
international entertainment shows and also the fascinating
entertainments of arts of culturally high standards unique
in Japan and in this part of the world.
7. A cost free sightseeing tour for Tokyo or Tokyo nearsites
will be organized for overseas participants during the
convention period.
8. A lot of optional tours to enjoy Japan with a blend of the
ancient and the contemporary will be organized to make the
best use of your precious visit to Japan.
end of folder......
A large folder is also available. Tomorrow in the train I will
write-up the text of this one. So will be available tomorrow.
PRIZE WINNING CEREMONY
======================
Dealer competition: 1. Magic Hands
2. Collector's workshop
3. Kovari
This competition was judged by a seperate jury.
Card Magic: 1. Lennart Green (Sweden)
2. Roberto Giobbi (Switzerland)
3. Helge (Germany)
Close-up 1. Francis Tabary (France)
2. John Carney (USA)
3. Jean Pierre Valerino (France)
Simo Aalto (Finland)
Invention 1. Not presented
2. Timothy Wek (USA)
3. Rgeinald (France)
Mental Magic 1. Not presented
2. Not presented
3. Andy (Germany)
Illusions 1. Not presented
2. Tom Voss (Germany)
3. Les Cantervilles (Germany)
Comedy 1. Gill & Dany (France)
2. Mimosa (France)
3, Enric Magoo (Spain)
General Magic 1. Juan Mayoral (a.k.a. Alex - Spain)
2. Alpha (France)
3. Vikhj (Italy)
Manipulations 1. Topaz (Germany)
2. Arsene Lupin (Poland)
3. Cyril
Vladimir
GRAND PRIX 1991..........VLADIMIR DANILIN (USSR)
Those prices have been award 30 minutes ago...the moment I write
this up...now go to the hotel and uplaod it.
More info and afterwords tomorrow.
Msg #8696 Dated 8:02:05 07-13-91 8647 <--> 8711
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: STAMPS
What about THE LOST VICTIM on Random House? Or do mystery novels
count?
Msg #8697 Dated 8:02:11 07-13-91 8648 <--> 8699
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
MIND PIES!!! Right on.
Msg #8698 Dated 8:02:16 07-13-91 8652 <--> 8712
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ
Re: BIROSAN
As far as I know, Evan, no date has been set. I understand that it
is supposed to happen (if it does) in Nov or Dec. If it does happen
I'd have to seriously consider coming over for it, but I have so
many friends at CEMK that I'd probably have to go up there if they
overlap by a few weeks. I currently have a gamblers comp at the Trop
so lodging is no problem. I'm waiting to see if they offer me plane
fare, then I know I'd be there unless it's the same weekend as CEMK.
Msg #8699 Dated 8:02:25 07-13-91 8653 <--> 8700
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
If we had a national registration system it would be easier to
locate the owners of effects, etc and to initiate the licensing
process. David Lichtman was working on this at one time, but there
has been a slowdown due to all the convention stuff coming on lately.
Msg #8700 Dated 8:02:32 07-13-91 8657 <--> 8702
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
If the work to be copyrighted has been a "work for hire" then the
person/firm who paid the money gets the credit. That too is the LAW.
Msg #8701 Dated 8:02:38 07-13-91 8673 <--> 8707
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
Certain areas of the Dialog system can be accessed via CIS. I use
the Trademark Search feature occasionally and it has saved us much
time and money. Complete Trademark searches usually cost around
30 bux and you can search both Fed and State. For a few bux more
you can get full owner info, etc off the system.
Msg #8702 Dated 8:02:45 07-13-91 8683 <--> 8705
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: SAM DAY 1
Is that it. I thought I felt the vacuum as I patrolled the borders
of Krayborg.
Msg #8703 Dated 8:02:51 07-13-91 8685 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: LEFT OVERS
Well, I'm a fan of Sylvester The Jester. Some great sight gags
and sleight of hand.
Msg #8704 Dated 9:04:49 07-13-91 1540 <-
From: JOSEPH FOX
To: MANNY WELTMAN
Re: HOUDINI SKILLS
Hi Manny. How was Vegas? I'll talk to you soon. Greetings.
Msg #8705 Dated 10:04:33 07-13-91 8700 <--> 8708
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
You are absolutely correct and I should have mentioned that. But T A
didn't seem to be the work for hire type.
Msg #8706 Dated 10:07:47 07-13-91 8686 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: BURGER SEMINAR
Thanks for the Burger review, Jerry. I'd heard that he was very good
at the Castle lecture and that his expression of "theory" was well
accepted.
Msg #8707 Dated 10:16:36 07-13-91 8701 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM BALTIMORE
I knew CIS had some sort of infoscan package, but I didn't know they
were using Dialog. Thanks.
Msg #8708 Dated 10:17:44 07-13-91 8699 <--> 8715
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
And I am still working on it! Need to talk to you about it at some
point.
Msg #8709 Dated 10:19:25 07-13-91 8694 <--> 8710
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
Re: FISM REPORT LAT DAY II
Arnaud -
THANK YOU for the "direct feed" this morning. Looks like we will all
be saving our pennies for the trip to Tokyo in 1994. You've done a
SUPER job on the FISM reporting. Really excellent!
Msg #8710 Dated 11:05:40 07-13-91 8694 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
Re: FISM REPORT LAT DAY II
Thank you once again, Arnaud!
Your labours are much appreciated here!
'W.
Msg #8711 Dated 12:21:34 07-13-91 8676 <--> 8713
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: STAMPS
Nor I. Having some background in Psychology, I'm curious where and
when this reference to vowels=female, consonants=male was made. Are
you sure it isn't some male hysteria?
Msg #8712 Dated 12:24:42 07-13-91 8538 <--> 8714
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Saw Becky and Joycee at the Castle Thursday night. Joycee has MANY
copies of said article, as does Becky. Both were VERY happy about the
press attention! It is nice to see the ladies get great press! They
have earned it!
Msg #8713 Dated 12:28:38 07-13-91 8696 <--> 8725
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAMPS
Oh, I thought you were just referring to my S-F stuff; I have done
several others -- gothics, adventure, spy novels.
Msg #8714 Dated 12:28:41 07-13-91 8578 <--> 8726
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: BILL WELLS
Re: BIROSAN
I use a tape backup system to back up my meger 60mb hard drive. It has
saved my rear more than once...
Msg #8715 Dated 12:29:37 07-13-91 8656 <--> 8716
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Well -- yes -- if he or she doesn't acknowledge it, presumably there
isn't an agreement or -- in the case I am talking about -- a sale. If
I tell them the conditions and they don't agree to them, they don't buy
it. Am I missing something?
Msg #8716 Dated 12:30:52 07-13-91 8657 <--> 8717
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
If you are referring to copyright in author's name -- nope, it isn't
the law -- and quite often copyright is in publisher's name.
Msg #8717 Dated 12:32:32 07-13-91 8665 <--> 8718
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Actually, a screenwriter (or any other) can reserve as many rights as
he or she wants to -- vide Stallone's insistence on playing ROCKY as a
condition of sale. It's what you want, and what you can get -- and
whether or not you are willing to risk losing a sale by controlling
aspects of the property.
Msg #8718 Dated 12:34:05 07-13-91 8666 <--> 8719
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
If both parties agree to it prior to sale, it's legal.
Msg #8719 Dated 12:35:09 07-13-91 8656 <--> 8720
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
but...how does one go about enforcing said restriction???
Msg #8720 Dated 12:34:56 07-13-91 8699 <--> 8721
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Yeah, but I think we're getting away from Maven's point -- which is
that if there was some kind of ethical standard/leadership in magic so
this kind of thing (doing material without proper authorization) was
frowned on, and people who did it were kept out of magic's mainstream,
we wouldn't have to worry about the pretty much unenforceable legal
aspects.
Msg #8721 Dated 12:36:41 07-13-91 8683 <--> 8722
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: SAM DAY 1
Gravity isn't just a good idea...it's the law.
Msg #8722 Dated 12:36:44 07-13-91 8705 <--> 8727
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Sometimes I am -- but only in very special situations, and usually as
an advisor rather than creator.
Msg #8724 Dated 12:41:59 07-13-91 8687 <-
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: DAVID ROTH LECTURE
Ring 21 is advertising an as yet unspecified date for Roth to lecture.
I understand he will be at UCLA (cost as yet undetermined), and at
some location in San Diego. These will be his only California (or
southern CA) visits. As you can see, info is as yet sketchy. Will
update you as word comes out.
Msg #8725 Dated 13:27:13 07-13-91 8711 <--> 8730
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT (X)
Re: STAMPS
With a background in psychology, Ellen, you know that by classical
definition males cannot experience hysteria. They can be crazy, nuts,
fruitcakes, etc., but not bonafide hysterics. The psychologist was
female.
Msg #8726 Dated 13:29:16 07-13-91 8712 <--> 8729
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Glad to hear that they both have copies of the article. Yes, they have
earned it. Don't know if you know it, but the Tabman, Burton the
Bizarre, and myself are, together, the President of the Becky Blaney
Fan Club. If you'd care to join the club, we will be glad to share the
Presidency with you.
Msg #8727 Dated 13:30:54 07-13-91 8715 <--> 8728
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
To the best of my knowledge, the "shrinkwrap" form of agreement is
based on the presumption that purchase constitutes acknowledgement of
the contract. Also to the best of my knowledge (and I do not pretend
to be a lawyer, nor do I pretend to offer legal advice) this has not
been tested. Classically, acknowledgement of a contract requires proof
of my acceptance of the conditions - by signing a document, for
example. Thus, purchase alone does not necessarily constitute
acceptance of the terms and conditions of the sale.
Msg #8728 Dated 13:35:16 07-13-91 8716 <--> 8731
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
It is my understanding, as a layperson, that with the exception of
"work for hire," the right of copyright IS, by recent law, only vested
in the author. When the copyright is in the publisher's name it is
because it has either been a work for hire or the author has, as a part
of the agreement (or in a separate document), transfered that right to
the publisher - "assigned" the right to copyright.
In the past the law was less direct about this and the copyright could
be vested in the publisher (or anyone else) without the author's
specific consent under a broader range of conditions.
Msg #8729 Dated 13:46:39 07-13-91 8712 <--> 8739
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Becky Blaney has worked very hard over the years to get where she is
right now. She has been a good friend for well over a decade. My hat
is tipped to her.
Msg #8730 Dated 13:46:45 07-13-91 8713 <--> 8738
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: STAMPS
Actually, it was Bill Wells who was asking about the Sci Fi stuff.
I just threw a mystery in there for good measure.
Msg #8731 Dated 13:46:49 07-13-91 8720 <--> 8732
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
You added a word - leadership - that I've been missing. I agree on
ethics. You are right, it is a matter of leadership - ethical
leadership. Aren't there quite a few ethical people involved in the
magic field, many of them leaders? Is there no hope for a trade
association, perhaps world wide? Perhaps we should set out to raise
our own individual standards. It is through discussions such as these
that have made me look closer at what I do as an individual. To ask
myself each time I try something new, "Am I really free to use this
idea? Is it mine?" Perhaps the dreaded "fraternalism" of magic can be
used to an ethical advantage in this situation. Just don't talk to
a bum. Of course, the bums would stick together too; so foget it.
I personally don't look at the world as a rosey place. I figure that
you never know who is out to get you or at what price somebody will
sell a piece of their soul. A rich man once told me that I never had
to worry about him stealing my share of a small pot."Now a million
bux on the table, and it's every man for himself." He said it, not
me but I believed him and found different associates. I did learn
about the greed factor though having experienced it myself. Jim
Steinmeyer has a generous and sane reservation of rights clause in
DEVICE AND ILLUSION. It is the basic understood of magic books. Use
it? Sure! Sell it? No way.
Msg #8732 Dated 13:40:51 07-13-91 8719 <--> 8733
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
One may not be able to enforce said restrictions! That's the point.
I can print anything on the box or the book, but can I really enforce
it? To find out, I'd have to take the buyer to court and a judge would
have to determine whether my statement was enforceable.
There is, of course, every chance that the judge will decide that it is
NOT enforceable. In the Polaroid vs. Kodak suit, for example, two of
the patents already issued to Polaroid were judged "not valid, but
infringed." The other aspects of the case, however, were so
overwhelming that this was a minor item. The same can happen to a
provision of a contract - a judge can invalidate it, which is why most
contracts include a provision that even if a portion of the contract is
invalidated, the remainder of the contract shall remain in force.
I guess that the point is that contract law is a complex area, that
many things can be done within it, and that it is probably not the
province of laypersons such as myself.
Msg #8733 Dated 13:50:42 07-13-91 8722 <--> 8736
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Which brings up an interesting point - we have been addressing the role
of the "creator" as if it were one individual - say an "author" -
against the World. In truth, in many areas, the creative process
includes a team - directors, producers, publishers, editors, marketing
people, etc. all contributing to the final success or failure. To
assume that the author is the sole creator is to take a narrow
viewpoint.
Msg #8735 Dated 13:56:31 07-13-91 -> 8748
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: GERALDO
I have been a bit mystified as to why no-one has commented on the Penn
and Teller appearance on Geraldo. This afternoon I finally got to see
the tape. Now I understand - there was nothing to talk about.
Msg #8736 Dated 14:03:55 07-13-91 8728 <--> 8753
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
When a work goes commercial, a new copyright must be filed on the
"published" work. The requires in addition to filling out the form
whatever and a check, two commercial copies of the work. The "new"
copyright law makes no provision for common law copyrights as did
the former versions of the law. You're right in that copyright,
assuming that it has been registered with the LibCong, can be
transferred or assigned - in fact must be - to a publisher, and in
fact most publishers insist on it since they don't want some squirrel
author screwing with their product. My experience with square
publishers is good. They control the copyright, you are listed on
both the copyright registration and the work as AUTHOR, and they
collect the money and send your cut to you. They also take the
headaches of making sure sales and performances are tracked, paper
work done, granting and getting proper licensing, etc and sending
the checks out ontime. In fact, a good writer/author/creator with
a good publisher is about the freest bird on the planet.
Msg #8738 Dated 20:10:33 07-13-91 8725 <--> 8752
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAMPS
David, I think this yet another variation of the conversation we had in
Balitmore as to why men can (or cannot) be classified as "bitch". As
I recall, we agreed to disagree, as "classical" definitions don't
really hold much water.
Msg #8739 Dated 20:16:45 07-13-91 8726 <--> 8740
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Thanks, David. You are such a giver...
Msg #8740 Dated 20:18:14 07-13-91 8729 <--> 8758
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Mine too! She's a great gal to talk with, and though we've just met,
I'm looking forward to seeing her magish and maybe (hopefully) get to
know her for many years to come...
Msg #8741 Dated 20:24:41 07-13-91 8491 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS
Re: CONVENTIONS
Sorry for the delay in responding; I just returned from a quick jaunt
to Las Vegas.
Regarding your question as to what kind of magazine I think Stan
Allen's new publication will be, of course I have my own educated
guesses based upon discussions with Stan, as well as my personal hopes.
However, I think it's best to wait a few weeks until its debut, and let
the publication speak for itself. The one thing I am rather sure of is
that it will have its own attitude and identity, rather than
duplicating existing magazines. (There is, for example, no need or
point for a Genii clone; Genii exists. There's not even a need for an
"improved" Genii, as it is already doing a notable job of improving
itself.)
I do know that Stan intends to keep a certain amount of focus on the
news aspect that was the hallmark of Inside Magic, and although there
will be by necessity a longer gap between information and publication,
current technology will allow for a situation wherein that gap is still
quite small.
The only part of the magazine that I can define precisely is the
one-page column that I'll be writing. It will have a different slant
than other columns; whether you like it or not is entirely another
matter...
Msg #8742 Dated 20:32:17 07-13-91 8537 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE
Re: COMEDY OPENER
With all due respect to Marvyn Roy, he is hardly the first to present
Curry's "Out Of This World" as a stand-up routine with participation by
more than a single spectator.
Msg #8744 Dated 20:35:56 07-13-91
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
Re: FISM REPORTS
Your reports on the Swiss convention are appreciated. I was
particularly amused by the description of the performance by the French
fellow (who you unfortunately refer to as my "brother" -- please don't,
even in jest).
The gag about covering the gold to protect it is very, very old. Also,
although Lubor Fiedler is a brilliant inventor and most of his ideas
are wonderfully original, the belly clicker is not new; it was marketed
by U. F. Grant over thirty years ago.
Msg #8748 Dated 21:46:02 07-13-91 8735 <--> 8762
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GERALDO
It was pretty slow but the Jello cookoff was
real cool I must admit.
Msg #8752 Dated 1:16:36 07-14-91 8680 <--> 8757
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAMPS
Wow. Or perhaps I should say, "Oau."
Msg #8753 Dated 1:19:05 07-14-91 8736 <--> 8754
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Thanks for the info, Tabman - it agrees with my understanding.
Msg #8754 Dated 1:19:22 07-14-91 8717 <--> 8756
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Yeah, but pretty much everyone -- and I mean EVERYONE -- sells their
screenplays, period. Doesn't reserve any ownership or copyright.
Yeah, Stallone put condition on the sale of Rocky, and John Patrick
Shanley inserted the famous "no rewrite" clause into the sale of
"Moonstruck," but NO studio in this town is going to make a movie of a
script they don't own.
Msg #8756 Dated 1:21:38 07-14-91 8728 <--> 8765
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Copyright exists with the author automatically upon the creation of the
work. Period.
Msg #8757 Dated 1:23:04 07-14-91 8738 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: STAMPS
It is and it isn't a variation on that discussion. Hysteria is a
technical term and presumably has a precise definition in that it
applies to people who have a womb (hyster or hystero). "Bitch" on the
other hand, is no longer a technical term.
We are, however, about to enter one of those "drifts" that have little
to do with magic. I would suggest that if we wish to continue this
discussion, we transfer it to a private message.
Msg #8758 Dated 1:26:37 07-14-91 8739 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: BIROSAN
You are also free to share MAGIC!'s hardware, software, and phone line
bills... Seriously, there were some limited edition Becky Blaney Fan
Club buttons. There might have been more, but the disk crash that I
experienced broke the mold. The next set, if one is made, will be
slightly different. In addition to founding the fan club, I also gave
Becky the shirt off my back, but that is another story.
Msg #8762 Dated 1:37:26 07-14-91 8748 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN
Re: GERALDO
I couldn't get over the middle-aged lady in the audience calmly eating
the stuff.
Msg #8765 Dated 1:49:11 07-14-91 8756 <--> 8767
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ
Re: SAM DAY 1
Thanks for the confirmation, Evan. Very close to my own understanding.
Msg #8767 Dated 2:12:25 07-14-91 8728 <--> 8768
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
I know that's your understanding; I was merely pointing out that it is
not, in fact, correct.
Msg #8768 Dated 2:14:09 07-14-91 8733 <--> 8769
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
In the case of novels, it is almost always a single creator; in the
case of screenplays, almost never.
Msg #8769 Dated 2:15:31 07-14-91 8754 <--> 8770
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ
Re: SAM DAY 1
Agreed, in the case of screenplays -- most, not all. But basically
what we've been talking about is conditions attached to sale, and that
was the case with Stallone. A number of studios passed on the poject
(pardon me, project) for precisely that reason.
Msg #8770 Dated 2:16:58 07-14-91 8756 <--> 8772
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ
Re: SAM DAY 1
Copyright exists automatically with the author IN THE ABSENCE OF AN
AGREEMENT WITH A PUBLISHER; once that agreement has been made,
copyright may or may not continue to reside with the author, depending
on the particular contract and situation.
Msg #8771 Dated 1:53:47 07-14-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CULTURAL EVENTS
Basically a local note - there is a modicum of culture in Los Angeles
beyond the walls of the Magic Castle (and the Wattles Mansion).
Thursday night some 16,405 people joined my wife and I for the
All-Tchaikovsky Concert at the Hollywood Bowl (just up the street from
the Castle). Yuri Temirkanov, music director of the Leningrad
Philharmonic, conducted, with Itzhak Perlman on the violin. Perhaps
not appropriate to the music and the setting, but best described as
"Totally Awesome."
Tonight we were at Occidental College for what is considered to be one
of the "best kept cultural secrets in Los Angeles," Occidental's
Hillside Repertory Company. Gilbert and Sullivan's The Yeomen of the
Guard will be playing there on various evenings through July 26th. The
three other presentations this season will be Amadeus, Harvey, and As
You Like It. We've been attending Occidental's performances for
several years and they are very well done. New this year is the "Cafe
Occidental," a pre-performance dining experience. Held on the grounds
of the Faculty Club, the premier of this concept was dazzling, superb,
perfect. The buffet meal included Roast Whole Stuffed Turkey with Sage
and Onion Stuffing, Roast Baron of Beef au Jus with Yorkshire Pudding,
Roast Venison with Red Currant Jelly, and Whole Poached Dressed Salmon.
In keeping with the concept of "The Yeomen's Carvery," the deserts
included English Trifle, Treacle Tart, Apple Crumble and Custard, and
Lemon Curd Tarts. Each of the "Cafe Occidental" meals will be thematic
with the performance and there will only be one "Cafe Occidental" night
for each of the four. I commend the Repertory Company and the "Cafe
Occidental" to your attention. Nathan thought it was all very good,
and I too commend these performances to your attention. Oh, yes, there
is a magic connection in The Yeomen of the Guard - the strolling jester,
Jack Point (portrayed by Morgan Rusler), produces a boquet of flowers
during the show.
Msg #8772 Dated 2:23:05 07-14-91 8768 <--> 8773
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
In my list of other creators I included editor, publisher, and
marketing people PRECISELY because I believe that the creative process,
even for a novel, includes more than just the author.
Msg #8773 Dated 2:24:44 07-14-91 8770 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
Ah, now your statement is fundamentally correct. If the copyright is
to reside with other than the author, then _the_ _author_ _must_
_assign_ it to the other party.
Msg #8777 Dated 11:55:51 07-14-91 8687 <--> 8782
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: DAVID ROTH LECTURE
I got your name down Jerry and I will let you know just as soon as I
get more specifics. Your right about David's soft touch. I have been
and avid follower of David's for some time I just never got the
opportunity to meet him in person. Times they are a changing!!
Msg #8778 Dated 12:03:36 07-14-91 8728 <--> 8779
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
I STILL SAY....
IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE MATERIAL...DON'T PUBLISH IT! WANTING TO MAKE
THE MONEY FROM PUBLISHING AND YET STILL WANTING TO KEEP THE MATERIAL IS
UTTER NONSENSE. IT'S LIKE TRYING TO SELL YOUR CAR AND PREVENTING THE
BUYER FROM DRIVING IT. IF THE MONEY FROM PUBLICATION ISN'T ENOUGH,
RAISE THE PRICE OF THE BOOK. (ALTHOUGH IT'S GETTING ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE
TO FIND VERY MUCH OFFERED THESE DAYS BELOW THE $35.00 LEVEL)
...
(My apologies for the all-caps format above, but it's my typewritten
version of yelling!)
'W.
Msg #8779 Dated 12:12:24 07-14-91 8736 <--> 8780
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
As a writer member of ASCAP and a former member of the music publishing
fraternity as well, I can say that the freedom of the bird can be
measured by how the pie is cut.
'W.
Msg #8780 Dated 12:18:59 07-14-91 8756 <--> 8783
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ
Re: SAM DAY 1
After creation and before your period, you should insert, "and
transcription." Works which are not recorded or transcribed in some
form or another are not protected by Copyright law. It's a small but
essential point.
'W.
Msg #8781 Dated 12:38:14 07-14-91
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: ALL
Re: CHICAGO
I will be in Chicago this coming Tuesday and Wednesday evenings. I've
been told to visit Matt Schulein's Magic Bar. Would appreciate any
other suggestions.
Msg #8782 Dated 12:38:30 07-14-91 8724 <--> 8786
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: DAVID ROTH LECTURE
The date for the David Roth lecture WILL BE August 10th. The only thing
sketchy at this moment is the time and price.
Msg #8783 Dated 12:35:08 07-14-91 8778 <--> 8784
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
I know that you are speaking (yelling) in the generic, but in my own
case I publish to earn a living. I do not view most of my output as
serving a muse, but rather as a source of income.
I must admit to mixed emotions in the restrictions. My primary
instinct is to agree with the posture that Max takes - if I've
published it and you've bought it, it is yours to use (hope I haven't
put any words in Max's mouth or altered his sentiments in any way). On
the other hand, the manipulations of the marketplace and the variety of
forms in which material may be sold and licensed do suggest that the
author has the right to maximize his or her income by exercising
prudent management over the material.
As a general rule, if the material appeared to have more value in, say,
television than in a book (talking about magic effects, not novels) I
would probably choose to sell the television rights and NOT publish it
in book form.
Msg #8784 Dated 12:45:33 07-14-91 8731 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB
Re: SAM DAY 1
I think you hit the salient point in this discussion. You need the
law as a means of protecting your creations from cretons that would
steal your ideas and SELL them as their own.
.
People that perform the effects that you may publish are not stealing
them since by the very fact you published them you are giving permiss
ion to perform them. If however I take your ideas and repackage them
as my own and try to SELL them to others I am violating your rights.
.
Regarding the morality of using other peoples unpublished material I
think it becomes a matter of individual conscience. I have noted two
recent performances at the castle of otherwise really good performers
using stock material, almost verbatum, from others acts that were at
the castle just months before. The result is that my perception of
the integrity of the 'thieves' has gone way down and I'm sure that
many others have noticed the blatent copying that is going on.
.
Personally, I NOW make it a point never to use anyone else's lines,
regardless of well they might fir into my mode of performance. I must
also admit that prior to the airing of these issues on MAGIC! I was
not really aware of the concept.
Msg #8785 Dated 12:45:55 07-14-91 8706 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: BURGER SEMINAR
He has evolved into a show-and-tell method such that the theory is
blended in so well the listener doesn't even realize he is being
bombarded with it.
.
He gave a lecture about 2 years ago at Chuck Faynes and didn't do a
single trick - just straight theory. This time he would do an effect
, explain the mechanics, AND THEN EXPLAIN the theory that led to the
handling - a well rounded method of explanation.
.
Concepts such as 'less is better', 'required versus optional moves',
'framing', 'change of pace', and 'balance' give the student HOOKS
upon which to develop their own methods of presentation. At $ 15 it
was one of the best magic bargains I ever invested in. Now to find
the time to apply the concepts to my own work.
Msg #8786 Dated 12:46:09 07-14-91 8724 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: DAVID ROTH LECTURE
Great, thanks for the info. As the latest member and joint President
of the Becky Blaney fan club, you owe David, Tabman, and I lunch at
the castle - small initiation fee for such a rare honor.
Msg #8787 Dated 12:44:09 07-14-91 8772 <--> 8788
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
I rather hoped you didn't; in the case of a screenplay we have a
collaborative effort -- but a book is the work of one person, except
when that person is not competent enough though perhaps talented (as in
the case of Thomas Wolfe and editor Perkins). In the case of
nonfiction I would say that at times you have a point, but not-- again
if the writer is competent. A novel is in no sense a collaboration
between writer and anyone else. They may help sell it, but that has
nothing to do with the creative process; they do not add to the basic
work at all.
Msg #8788 Dated 12:47:05 07-14-91 8784 <--> 8789
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: SAM DAY 1
Jerry -
Just because they appeared in sequence at the Castle does not mean that
the performer you saw do the material first didn't take it from the one
that you saw second.
Msg #8789 Dated 12:47:34 07-14-91 8773 <--> 8791
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
We're getting closer -- but no, some publishers assign the copyright to
themselves unless otherwise requested by the author; if such a request
is made, the publisher MUST assign copyright to the author.
Msg #8790 Dated 12:48:37 07-14-91 8785 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: BURGER SEMINAR
I'm sorry that I was not able to get to any of the three Burger
lectures while he was in town this time. I very much enjoy watching
him work and hearing him explain the underpinings of his work.
Msg #8791 Dated 12:50:44 07-14-91 8787 <--> 8792
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
I did not say that the other people were in a collaboration with the
writer/author. I do feel, however, that their creative contributions
should be acknowledged.
Msg #8792 Dated 13:02:17 07-14-91 8789 <--> 8794
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
I guess we will have to ask a lawyer active in the copyright field to
contribute accurate information on this matter.
Msg #8794 Dated 14:37:50 07-14-91 8784 <--> 8797
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: SAM DAY 1
The fact that we're discussing this issue at all in a magic public
forum is significant. It has made me painfully aware of proprietary
rights - moral, ethical and legal. The law provides some protection
but it really isn't the answear. I know of at least one example of
where the law was turned against a re-creator and re-user of an old
effect - he put it in a new dress and name - by the dealer who
copped the idea and then used SAM lawyer to stop the guy who really
should of been making the dough. Here was a situation where the
dollars available in the marketplace made the rules, and there were
none from this particular standpoint because there were no ethics
involved first, and finally no morals in the end.
.
If there truly are no rules, then we should all play that way instead
of letting a few outlaws get in the way of an honest marketplace.
There is no middle ground. Either you participate in larceny to some
degree or you don't. I've changed too Jerry, and I have this bbs to
thank for it. I appreciate the increased awareness you've all given
me.
Msg #8796 Dated 14:38:14 07-14-91 8786 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: DAVID ROTH LECTURE
Get her to take us to that outdoor Chinese restaurant at the pavilion
on Baltimore Harbour.
Msg #8797 Dated 14:38:18 07-14-91 8787 <--> 8798
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
The creation and the selling of an idea, a book, an illusion, a song,
are two distinct areas. The initial creator usually works alone or
in close collaboration. Fiction writing is a very solitary field. I
would like to be able to write good fiction, but I can't drink enuff
whiskey.
Msg #8798 Dated 14:38:25 07-14-91 8788 <--> 8803
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
That's a good point. But at one point everything is original.
Whether an idea can be traced or not....??? You just don't know.
Some writers in Nashville were sitting around a table at the music
row bar and somebody sez something that inspired another guy. Well
guy 2 excuses himself and runs to his apartment and writes the song
which was a big hit based on an idea another guy has while they are
bsing. Guy 2 comes back a half hour later like nothing happens. A
few months later he wonders why 6-7 guys stop hanging out with him.
Figures they're jealous.
Msg #8801 Dated 16:11:29 07-14-91 8742 <--> 8821
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: COMEDY OPENER
That's interesting that the audience participation version of Out of
this World did not originate with Marvyn Roy. I requested permission
to use it via another magician and was granted that permission as
if it were his to grant! Hmmm. You shouldn't give someone permission
to use something that isn't yours or is it in the public domain? It
seems like we spend a lot of time discussing what belongs to whom and
when and where it can be used. It's a moot point with this particular
effect anyway. It didn't go over so well with the ten year olds I
tried it on. The parents were bugeyed at the outcome but the kids
expressions were sort of "So what?"
Msg #8802 Dated 16:29:31 07-14-91 -> 8819
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: DRUG WARP
I enjoy doing the card warp effect and I was thinking about including
it in kids shows. I finally came up with something that works for me
and is good for kids around 12 and older. The effect is, roughly,
if a kid gets into drugs they are headed downhill towards misery, etc.
If they are strong enough to stay out they can have a chance to grow up
and be happy. Drugs can rip them apart (tearing of the cards) and burn
them (flame from a lighter passed beneath cards) but if they keep drugs
out of their lives they won't get torn up (torn card is restored)
My set up is to have three 3x5 cards. The one representing drugs has
skull and crossbones on the top and bottom. This is the card folded
width wise. On the opposite side I use different splashes of color
from highlighter pens. On the prepared card I use a quarter to trace
four happy faces, one in each corner of the card on one side, and four
unhappy miserable faces on the other side. I prepare a third card with
four happy faces and fold it up and place it with my lighter either in
my pocket or briefcase that I work out of. In presenting it I show the
four happy and unhappy faces on one card and just the colorful side of
the card representing drugs. I say you should never let drugs get into
you because they can take over your life. Here is where I fold the
cards which leaves the skull and crossbones showing on both sides of
the outer card and an unhappy face showing on the inside card. I slide
the card back and forth saying how one side is smart, etc. etc. and one
side is dumb, etc. etc. Finally how drugs can rip your life apart
turning a persons life backwards - and I show the front and back of the
inside card. I further tear up the card representing the kid and
pretend to place it in my left hand with the card representing drugs.
I ask if everyone has seen the commercial with the frying pan and the
eggs- This is drugs, this is your brain on drugs, I ditch the pieces in
my pocket or briefcase while getting the lighter and palm the folded
3rd card. I say how drugs can burn you as I pass the lighter under the
pieces, "but not if you keep them out of your life" and I show the drug
pieces as I throw them and the lighter into my case. I unfold the now
restored card and hope they got the message!
Msg #8803 Dated 17:59:57 07-14-91 8769 <--> 8804
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Could you blame them? At the time, I mean. But... back to magic -- am
I to understand from your messages to David that copyright doesn't
automatically vest with the author upon the time of creation?
Msg #8804 Dated 18:00:56 07-14-91 8770 <--> 8805
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
We're splitting hairs, me thinks. Technically/legally, the author owns
the copyright to his work as soon as he creates it -- unless the work
is a work for hire, as you know. Publishing and movies differ in that
the custom in the former seems to be to vest the copyright more often
with the author. Magic, in my opinion, does not relate or compare to
either field in an easily understandable way -- in regard to the
copyright issues, that is.
Msg #8805 Dated 18:04:27 07-14-91 8783 <--> 8806
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Magic and screenplays DO have this in common -- on the page, they are
both intermediate art forms. An unproduced screenplay is not something
the world at large can view and enjoy. In fact, reading one is a
learned skill. This is entirely and precisely true for magic books as
well.
Msg #8806 Dated 18:06:03 07-14-91 8787 <--> 8807
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Ahem -- in the case of the screenplay we don't necessarily have a
collaborative effort -- in the case of a film, we do. Screenplays
frequently get rewritten, but frequently don't. The film, (and the
performed effect), are by definition collaborative efforts!
Msg #8807 Dated 18:07:16 07-14-91 8789 <--> 8808
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Gotcha -- is that the part of it that's the law? That upon request,
copyright must be assigned? If so, is ignorance the only time this
occurs? Or do writers get bullied?
Msg #8808 Dated 18:08:07 07-14-91 8792 <--> 8809
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
I agree -- it would be nice to get some hard and fast legal advice
here. Surely there's a participant out there that practices law.
Let's encourage them to speak up!
Msg #8809 Dated 18:09:52 07-14-91 8798 <--> 8812
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Remember -- ideas themselves are not protected by copyright for very,
very good reason. I would stand tall and argue here that ideas in the
magic world should not be protected -- that in addition to there being
no legal protection, there is no MORAL protection either.
Msg #8810 Dated 18:13:31 07-14-91 8688 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: FISM
I feel a tug on my leg.
Msg #8811 Dated 18:14:21 07-14-91 8698 <--> 8813
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIROSAN
CEMK? MY synapses must not be firing well.
Msg #8812 Dated 19:15:03 07-14-91 8809 <--> 8816
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Any thing that can be put on paper, disk, tape, film, canvas, stone
tablets, screen, etc can be REGISTERED with the Register of Copyright
s. I can register all of TA Waters stuff and Max Maven's stuff too
and I would OWN that particular certificate of registration. Copy-
right in the common law sense no longer exists since changes in
cpr law in the late 1970s. You can register anything you want. All
they do is assign a number and file it away. Now, if I sued TA and
Max to stop using "their" stuff, I could stop them UNLESS they
filed it first (a prior registration) or had some STRONG proof that
it was theirs. I use a book called "Patents, Trademarks, and Copyrigh
ts" I picked up at UMD Law School two years ago, plus NARAS
(the Recording Academy) keeps its' members well read through their
Journal. Four years ago I stopped a MAJOR record company from
using a record label name that I had a state trademark on down in
Tennessee. They tried to bully me, send five lawyers to see me,
tried to get ME to change db Records to something else. They
ended up using DB but could not stop me from db as they knew they
would loose in court. They offered me $$ for it, but I decided to
keep it.....All because of a $25 trade and service mark registration
three years prior to their announcement. There is much protection
allowed under the various LibCong/Dept. of Commerce plus you can
go the state route like the guy who had US Air trademarked in Maine
quite a few years back, only he went for the $$$. The state of
California offers both trade and service mark protection. I can even
file papers in your state, form a corporation, etc. There's plenty
of stuff you can do, but as a writer, the best thing is just to keep
your work close until you send the copyright papers off. Incl a
return receipt-certified so you'll know when it was received. The
law grants "protection" the moment it is signed into the books at
LibCong weeks before you actually receive the paperwork. Also file th
e U numbers separately somewhere since they file stuff that way and
you'll have some protection incase you loose the stuff.
.
I'd have to argue with you on the no MORAL protection biz. I guess
if someone comes up with an idea and tells the wrong person they'd
be plenty sorry. Survival of the fittest (smartest) I guess is the
way of the world.
Msg #8813 Dated 19:15:34 07-14-91 8811 <--> 8824
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BIROSAN
CEMK. Close Encounters of the Magic Kind Convention annually in
Rochester, NY. A smaller Close-up gathering drawing a lot of the
same guys as the FFFF in Buffalo. CEMK is run by Keith Walker who
is a magician from West Webster, NY. Keith also makes tricks. I saw
a new one in the Tannen flyer but I don't recall the title of it.
A $50 stoplight type trick of brass and well made - I saw one
at IBM. Good luck.
Msg #8816 Dated 19:34:57 07-14-91 8798 <--> 8817
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Ideas is like poker hands - one should keep 'em close until one is
ready to lay 'em down and win the pot. As a general rule, anyone who
works on a creative project with me is required to sign a
non-disclosure agreement before we start talking.
On the other hand, ideas are also a dime a dozen - Edison't "1 percent
inspiration and 99% persperation" applies. When I was a graduate
student I once ran into my Chairman's office and said, "Wow, have I got
an idea!" He looked at me and said, "If I don't have seven good ideas
before breakfast, I know it's going to be a bad day." He's right.
Msg #8817 Dated 19:38:26 07-14-91 8805 <--> 8818
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Thanks for a very interesting contribution to the discussion. I hadn't
really been thinking about it that way.
Msg #8818 Dated 19:40:08 07-14-91 8808 <--> 8827
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
We have one or more lawyers around - just don't know if they want to
get into this.
Msg #8819 Dated 19:41:24 07-14-91 8802 <--> 8822
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DRUG WARP
Nice concept, Stan! Really interesting treatment. Thanks for sharing
it with us.
By the way, do you get Linking Ring? I haven't really looked at the
trick in detail yet, but there is a nice "postage stamp" trick in the
July, 1991 issue - it is called "Postal Exchange" and is by Tom Craven.
Msg #8820 Dated 20:13:56 07-14-91 -> 8835
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: FIXED
Thanks very much David. Your recommended fix did the job.
Everything seems to be back to normal. Still have the problem of every
second line containing one word, however, but I think I will wait until
I see you in person and bring a printed sample for you to view. Enjoyed
the reports from FISM, and sort of happy I did'nt make the journey
after reading about the lack of technical support and the heat.
I'm sure the Japanese will do it right.
Msg #8821 Dated 21:25:25 07-14-91 8801 <--> 8880
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: COMEDY OPENER
I'm not surprised to hear that the reaction was weak; it's pointless to
do conceptual material of this sort for ten-year-olds.
Msg #8822 Dated 21:27:03 07-14-91 8802 <--> 8851
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DRUG WARP
It seems to me that switching out the torn card to allow for a
restoration climax rather defeats the point of the Card Warp effect.
Msg #8824 Dated 21:32:31 07-14-91 8813 <--> 8842
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIROSAN
If the brass chip effect is the one wherein a chip is shown to be, say,
red on one side, blue on the other, and winds up some third color
and/or pattern on both sides, then it dates back to the 1940s or 1950s,
and was originally put out by Connie Haden.
Msg #8826 Dated 23:08:53 07-14-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: SCOTT WELLS
Re: MATCHES
Scott, keep my matches cold!
Charlie
Msg #8827 Dated 23:42:48 07-14-91 8797 <--> 8828
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
I can't drink ANY whiskey; gee, maybe that's my problem!
Msg #8828 Dated 23:44:13 07-14-91 8803 <--> 8829
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
It vests with the author pending any other agreement; once such an
agreement is made, those terms become effective.
Msg #8829 Dated 23:45:27 07-14-91 8804 <--> 8830
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Agreed; I don't think most of the copyright discussion is really
relevant to what we are talking about here, which is the ability of a
creator to control the fate of his or her creations.
Msg #8830 Dated 23:47:02 07-14-91 8806 <--> 8831
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
But I don't consider a finished screenplay to be a complete effort --
it is simply a blueprint for the film. Were that not the case, there
wouldn't be so many movies which apparently had no script at all. :)
Msg #8831 Dated 23:48:25 07-14-91 8807 <--> 8832
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Ignorance, need -- and sometimes apathy.
Msg #8832 Dated 23:50:02 07-14-91 8812 <--> 8833
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Trademarks are a very different case; I have come up with a lotta
cutesy names for my effects, and haven't trademarked any of them, so if
someone wanted to market a mental effect with that name they could do
so and keep me from using the name I invented. It happened in a
computer software case with a company name of Thinkertoy -- and later
with DynaBook, Alan Kay's concept.
Msg #8833 Dated 23:52:30 07-14-91 8818 <--> 8837
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Funnily enough -- as you know, Rich Bloch IS a lawyer, and republished
MAGICK with a lot of my stuff in it; trouble is, at the time, since I
hadn't been paid for it, copyright remained with me in spite of
Bascom's copyright -- and I also had published and sold some of that
stuff prior to Bloch's project, under my own name and copyright. Thus
if I wanted to make Bloch's life miserable (I don't) I could probably
sue him for infringement. Even lawyers are not infallible in this
area.
Msg #8835 Dated 0:05:01 07-15-91 8820 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: FIXED
Sounds to me like the RIGHT MARGIN of your word processor is too far to
the right if your problem is in uploading messages, and too far to the
left if the problem is in reading them. Try changing the right margin
accordingly, reducing it for uploading messages or extending it for
reading messages, and see if the problem goes away.
Msg #8837 Dated 0:11:27 07-15-91 8833 <--> 8840
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
Lawyers are most certainly not infallible, but there are instances
where the law FAVORS their side. Certain restrictions in the legal
system are waived when they are named in the suit. A friend of mine
lost both his suit and his shirt in a case in which he was suing a
lawyer over an unpaid bill.
Rather than sue him, of course, you could (I presume you have) discuss
the matter. Even lawyers recommend that as a first step.
Msg #8840 Dated 1:06:10 07-15-91 8812 <--> 8841
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
There's a difference between the actual copyright, which vests
in the work at creation, and the practicality of actually
enforcing your claim, which is greatly helped by registering your
work. BUT, it's important to make clear to people that the
registration
itself does not grant you a copyright.
In terms of ideas not being protectable, I'm speaking on a societal
level -- the reason the law doesn't make ideas copyrightable is
that society is better served by a free flow of them. I posit the
same is true for magic. Please understand -- a movie plot is not
an idea -- it is a story. When an effect stops being an idea
(penetration, transposition), and the equivalent of a story, is
an interesting notion!
Msg #8841 Dated 1:10:57 07-15-91 8830 <--> 8849
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
Let's not argue over the term "complete effort," since what I think
we can clearly agree on is that a screenplay is not a final product,
though I have to live my life thinking it's one. At least to get by
on a day to day basis, I do.
My big question here, and I think it's worth more than casual
discussion, is whether an effect in a magic book is much more than the
blueprint a screenplay is.
Msg #8842 Dated 1:14:03 07-15-91 8813 <--> 8843
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIROSAN
T'anks.
Msg #8843 Dated 1:14:15 07-15-91 8824 <--> 8844
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Any relation to the "Clausen Chips," put out by Leveridge?
Msg #8844 Dated 1:52:40 07-15-91 8843 <--> 8852
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Only marginally.
Msg #8845 Dated 2:54:06 07-15-91 -> 8856
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: LAST FISM UPDATE
FISM REPORT 14 JULY 1991. DAY 7....THE DAY AFTER THE NIGHT BEFORE
==================================================================
Msg #8846 Dated 3:21:54 07-15-91 -> 8867
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: LAST FISM UPDATE
FISM REPORT 14 JULY 1991. DAY 7....THE DAY AFTER THE NIGHT BEFORE
==================================================================
.
So we had it....FISM 91 in Lausanne is over.
Railing back to Amsterdam I am collecting the last memories, sto-
ries, opinions, reviews, etc....
.
DAVID I LOVE YOU!!
==================
Following rumor goes to have happened just before one of the
gala's.
David Copperfield was about to enter the lounge of the convention
center. When he was in, a girl at the other side of the hall
screamed....'DAVID I LOVE YOU!!!!'. She started running from to-
wards David Copperield. David....apparently used to these type
of admirations, took awaiting pose for the things to happen.
The whole hall held its breath on what would happen next......
The girl kept on running and came closer and closer.....5 meters,
4...3....2...1...hey wait a minute, she did not stopped but passed
David Copperfield....and ran straight into the arms of David
Williamson. Great pratical joke!!
.
.
OPINIONS ABOUT END RESULTS
==========================
Tommy Wonder:
He would have given Alpha (tropical birds act) the grand-prix
and was a bit disappointed to see him get the 2nd prize general
magic only. He felt it was a more complete act, nice contrast
of the characters, colourfull, funny, and a magician who does not
show his pride in the tricks by milking for applause.very good!
Also in close up he felt that Simo Aaltoo from Finland should get
more than only a third prize. He was extremely pleased with the
performance of Tim Ellis who did the six card repeat rapping.
.
.
Miscellaneous:
.
o It is curious to see that the majority of the prizes ended up in
European hands. We wonder why the US and Japanese contestants
were not ending in the top.
Looking though the list we see many German, French and Spanish
names.
.
o Pete Biro remarked that we are missing the class Parlor Magic in
the FISM competition. Take the french guy Tabary, he did a rope
routine which was appreciated with a first prize Close-up.
In fact it was more a parlor type routine.
.
o Steve Fearson's floating cigaret routine was put aside because
the jury thought it was similar to the floating flute routine
by Fin Jonn.
Strangely enough the technical part of Fin Jonn's routine is
completely different. To the opinion of the traingroup the route
the thread takes is completely innovative.
.
o The rapper Tim Ellis was not considered for a prize, because he
only performed one effect. The FISM rules say you have to show
at least 2 effects.
.
o We think John Carney may be very happy with his 2nd prize close-
up magic.
.
o Mixed opinions exists if Arsene Lupin was over-appreciated.
He goes home with a 2nd prize, while others like the (again)
finnish guy Tatu Tyni were not bad at all.
.
.
.
OTHERS
======
- My list with prize winners contained a mistake. Tim ELLIS won a
special prize and NOT Tim HARRIS. Sorry Tim.
.
- Story goes that doves have to be kept in quarantine for 2 weeks
before entering Japan. Cats are not allowed at all.
Maybe a lease office for doves would be a profitable business
next FISM.
.
- Tabman.....David Williamson dod not show me the beergag. What's
it about????
.
.
So, this brings en end to my reporting of FISM '91. Hope you liked
it. In 3 years time I think it's David's turn......
.
Msg #8847 Dated 3:23:24 07-15-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: TOKYO INFO PT 1 OF 2
Following is the literally text of the hand-oud given to the
FISM delegates during the FISM assembly last saturday.
.
DEAR THE DELEGATES,
===================
.
The conventions of FISM have been so far held within
Europe, perhaps because of the origin of FISM which
was born 43 years ago in Europe. FISM however has since
then increased in members remarkably beyond the board-
ers of Europe and developed its international charac-
teristics. It would be more natural therefore not to
restrict the venues within Europe, as this would help
FISM to grow on a true global basis.
.
Organizing FISM in Japan on a scale similar as those
held in the past however will require a fund at last
three times bigger than those needed in Europe.
Also, the travel costs to Japan and the Hotel expenses
are prohibitively too high to attract a large number
of participants from overseas countries. This makes
the revenue rather difficult under the normal circum-
stances.
.
Firtunately I came across a precious luck which may
not come again. Through an intimate friend of mine, I
have come into contact with a large corporation who is
willing to raise the required funds and support us
financially, making the following feasible.
.
1. To organize the group tours to Japan at the costs
attractively low, so a large number of participants
can enjoy the convention.
.
2. To obtain the room charges discounted at the deluxe
hotels for the participants.
.
3. To have the major portion of the convention costs
sponsored, so the contents of the convention will be
rich and yet the registration fee can be obtained
at 40.000 Yen (about 400 Swiss France = 530 dutch
guilders = 260 USD - AVR).
.
FISM '94 Tokyo will become therefore the least expensive
way to visit Japan which is the country of two thousand
year histiry and rich with exciting unique cultures and
fascinating sighseeing sites.
.
FISM '94 Tokyo will be also a great opportunity where the
West meets East for pleasant cultural exchanges. I since-
rely wish you will vote for the venue in Tokyo and will
have a fun time in Japan in 1994.
.
Very sincerely
.
Masatoshi Furota
President
The society of Japanese Magicians
.
.
.
OUTLINE OF FISM 1994 TOKYO
==========================
.
1. Dates
The convention will be held from July 13 (Wednesday)
to July 18 (Monday), 1994.
.
2. Convention Place
We are currently in process of negotiating with a multi
number of suitable theatre candidates for conditions.
Among the candidates are Orchard Hall and Kohrakuen Ice
Palace. The convention place will be located in the center
of Tokyo near the shopping and amusements centers.
.
3. We will be appointing one of the of the first class hotels
as the major convention hotel but several other hotels
with less expensive rates will be available for convenience
of participants.
.
4. Contests, close-up shows, lectures and dealers' shows and
gala shows will be included in the program. Banquet will
also be organized.
.
5. We are seeking the possibility to make use of the most
advanced High Vision TV technology for close-up shows and
lectures. If this will take place, it makes it possible for
a large number of audience to enjoy the programs as if they
are just in front of the performers and this will become
the first attempt in the FISM's history.
.
6. The grand special gala show will feature the first class
international entertainment shows and also the fascinating
entertainments of arts of culturally high standards unique
in Japan and in this part of the world.
.
7. A cost free sightseeing tour for Tokyo or Tokyo nearsites
will be organized for overseas participants during the
convention period.
.
8. A lot of optional tours to enjoy Japan with a blend of the
ancient and the contemporary will be organized to make the
best use of your precious visit to Japan.
.
.
Msg #8848 Dated 3:24:23 07-15-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: TOKYO INFO PT 2 OF 2
AIRTICKET COST TO JAPAN
=======================
.
We will be probably appointing the authorized travel agent
who will organize the air trips on the economy class at the
most inexpensive rates from the major overseas cities to
Tokyo. The following are the indicative costs to compare
with the standard costs.
.
from Standard Indicative
Amsterdam Hfl 9526 Hfl 2820
Paris Ffr 28830 Ffr 8404
Frankfurt DM 8509 DM 2503
London GB-P 2895 GB-P 838
Rome Lit 6242000 Lit 1818182
.
.
Hotel roomrates
.
We will be obtaining discounted rate from the first class
hotel in Tokyo and additionally FISM Tokyo Committee
will support a portion of the rate, so that the cost to
the participants will be in the range of only 10000 Yen
(Hfl 145 = USD 70 - AVR) per night (double occupancy).
The standard rate will be more than Yen 25000. This
special priviledged rate will be applicable only to a
limit of 500 opverseas registrants, first in first out
basis.
.
Participants may of course be free to choose any other
convenient hotel in Tokyo. There is a lot of choices
from the top to the bottom in Tokyo.
.
.
Convention Registration Fee
.
Full registration fro 6 days: Yen 40000. This is again
a priviledged fee only for overseas applicants.
.
.
COST SUPPORT FOR CONTESTANTS
============================
.
One of the important objectives at FISM os to foster
young magicians through the contests at the conventions
and to develop the better future basis of the magic
community.
.
The venue in Japan mey pose economical burdens to the
magicians who will have to fly to Japan to participate
in the competitions.
.
We would like to minimize the burdens and are in nego-
tiation wiht several sponsors. The FISM Tokyo committee
will be supporting the expenses of the selected contes-
tants by cash in the range of Yen 100.000-150.000 per
each. Tghe supporting will be limited up to 40 contes-
tants only. The selected contestants will have to pay
their registration fees and their parts of costs in due
time. The selection will be made in the following mode:
.
1. The applicant must forward the video tape of his/her
performance together with a recommendation letter by
his/her club's president to the FISM Tokyo committee
by October 31, 1993. Either NTSC, PAL or SECAM will
be acceptable.
.
2. The FISM Tokyo committee will screen the performances
and decide as to who are to be supported.
.
3. The dicisions will be advised to the applicants by the
end of November 1993.
.
We wish this support program would be appreciated and
accepted by the General Assembly of the FISM.
.
.
SOME TIPS ON JAPAN
==================
.
.
Country of Hospitality
.
Japan is one of the most comfortable countries for foreign
visitors to stay as Japanese people are known for their
kind, respectful and hospitable behaviors ro foreigners.
Tourists at a loss in a foreign country find it most pleasant
when treated kindly and warmly by the country's natives.
Japan is a country of hospitality.
.
.
Country of No Tips
.
You do not need to pay any tips at hotels, restaurants and
places in Japan. Taxidrivers do not expect tips. Favors are
offered without tips in all kinds of services and therefore
tourists are entirely free from bothering tipping.
Japan is a country where there is no custom of tipping
historically.
.
.
Country of Organization
.
Trains depart and arrive punctually at time. Mails are
delivered promptly. Communication system is advanced.
International conferences, symposiums and events are frequent-
ly held. Japan is very accustomed to organize and conduct
international conventions skillfully and efficiently.
.
.
Availability of Various Dishes
.
Sushi, Tempura, Sukiyaki, Teppan-yaki, etc. Many foreign
tourists visit Japan and become fun of delicate and tasteful
Japanese foods. Being an international city, however, Tokyo
and other metropolian areas offer a lot of international
taste choices to satisfy every foreigner.
Do not worry to come to Japan for foods. Japan is a country
where cooking is an art and eating is a pleasure.
.
.
Msg #8849 Dated 5:19:40 07-15-91 8816 <--> 8850
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
No doubt, but for free wheelin creative types, ideas are money.
Granted most ideas just fly away anyway and never get acted on,
which is probably a good thing.
Msg #8850 Dated 5:19:46 07-15-91 8818 <--> 8854
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
All anyone has to do is write or call the Register of Copyrights
at the Library of Congress, Wash DC and ask for complete info, etc
and they'll fix you right up.
Msg #8851 Dated 5:19:52 07-15-91 8822 <--> 8877
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DRUG WARP
My reaction was the same as Max's. Seems like with "drug warp" that
you wooden want to restore the card. You should see Sylvester The
Jester's ..."This is my brain, this is drugs, and this is my brain
on drugs.."....routine. Smashing.
Msg #8852 Dated 5:19:58 07-15-91 8824 <--> 8882
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN
Re: BIROSAN
I wish I could get more info on Connie Hayden. For the past coupla
years I've picked up CH made coins as I could find them and have
assembled a number of his effects. I haven't run across any of his
poker chip stuff. I misnamed Keith's trick as it's a brass rod
paddle trick that is examinable. Come to think of it, I think I
had seen something by Hayden here too.
.
Do you know of any printed material Hayden put out? A catalog,
articles in the magazines. I have one of his 1.35 tricks and it is
machined quite beautifully. Expanded half shell, etc all in Walking
Liberty. I wish I knew more about him outside the fact that at one
time he was in the insurance biz and machined the stuff on his lathe
in Florida. I'd really ;like to know more.....
Msg #8854 Dated 5:20:18 07-15-91 8832 <--> 8855
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
Seven years ago I developed and marketed a software product called
WORK FORCE. I neither trademarked the name nor copyrighted the ads,
the code, etc. Work Force did well for me - self marketed through
ads in computer papers. One day I saw an ad for WORK FORCE II. Same
program features, basic wording in ads the same, only this time
they had copyrighted and trademarked, etc. I had lost my own
brainchild because I was too ignorant and trusting. Even if you have
a copyright on some stuff and you don't affix the cpr notice to
everything you may still loose it. WORK FORCE II sold at a rate ten
times higher than my original which stopped selling soon after they
took my idea and ran with it. Remember, you can go the state trade
mark route and can stop a national marketing by having one key state.
Msg #8855 Dated 5:20:31 07-15-91 8840 <--> 8865
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
While the copyright of a work rests with the author at creation. To
get any protection at all it must be put in tangible form and
registered. The courts will grant no (exceptions I'm sure) remunerati
on on infringed, unregistered works. If you are registered you can
sue for lost profits, etc. YOU MUST REGISTER. Since the fee went to
twenty bux this year it's a little more impractical to register
everything, however you can register a collection of work under
one form.
Msg #8856 Dated 5:20:40 07-15-91 8845 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
Re: LAST FISM UPDATE
Maybe we can get David W. to write it up for you. I'd hate to spoil
the effect. I think I'd seen it before years ago in a Galveston bar
but things were pretty fuzzy in those days. Typically it's a
practical joke. I'll show it to you next time we have a beer together
which may be sooner than you think. Thanks again for spending the
time to put those great FISM reports together. Made me feel like
I was part of the goings on, down to the hyjinks in the bar with
Williamson.
Msg #8857 Dated 6:20:02 07-15-91 7553 <--> 8858
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT IF
And so am I. (glad I read the book that is and it happend to be BoBo`s
and have been in love with coins ever sinc),
skip
Msg #8858 Dated 6:27:25 07-15-91 7558 <--> 8860
From: SKIP SANSOUCIE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT IF
I have always Loved to read, magic books give you much more than just
the joy of reading. I always thought that the best way to learn magic
is from a book.
BTW) I spoke to Michael Ammar at the SAM get together. He speaks highly
of your Close-up stage.
Msg #8859 Dated 7:19:40 07-15-91 -> 8862
From: MICHAEL STARR
To: ALL
Re: BULLETIN BOARD
Can anyone tell me about a program I heard about that helps reduce the
cost of your long distance calls when using a BBS
Msg #8860 Dated 9:55:22 07-15-91 8858 <--> 8861
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SKIP SANSOUCIE
Re: WHAT IF
I'm glad to hear he was using the new one in Vegas. It was only
finished hours before we left here for the IBM convention. I tried
something different this time and had my fingers crossed that he
would be able to use it. Thanks for the encouraging words, thats
what I wanted to hear. I heard he was also using it over at FISM
and wait to see what he has to say when he gets back from across the
big pond.
Msg #8861 Dated 9:55:31 07-15-91 8858 <--> 8869
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SKIP SANSOUCIE
Re: WHAT IF
All my magic came from books when I was a kid. Willaine's Wizardry
and Bruce Elliott, plus a yellow book called Magic Made Easy. I'm
sure I've still got it somewhere. What was that yellow book?
Msg #8862 Dated 9:55:36 07-15-91 8859 <--> 8870
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MICHAEL STARR
Re: BULLETIN BOARD
IMP
Msg #8864 Dated 12:27:33 07-15-91 -> 8872
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO
Re: TOO SANE...
Hurry up back, Pete. The board has become too sane without you!
I've been having ARRRGGGHHH! withdrawal!
'W.
Msg #8865 Dated 12:33:06 07-15-91 8854 <--> 8866
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
OWWWWWWWW
Msg #8866 Dated 12:33:35 07-15-91 8855 <--> 8868
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
I use the Writer's Guild Registration service for a variety of reasons,
the main one being practicality. If I'm actually going to sue someone
for stealing my idea (unlikely), the WGA registration seems to be
sufficient to establish time of creation. But, understand that it's so
difficult to sue and prove theft, that I throw my hands up in part.
Also, with an agent date-stamping your submissions as they come in and
go out, there is little problem establishing the facts and dates.
The courts allow you to sue without being registered with the LOC --
but they allow you to sue for MORE is you are -- I'm not sure of the
details and differences -- sounds like you are.
Sorry about your terrible software luck. I actually felt a little
physically nauseous when I read your telling.
Msg #8867 Dated 12:28:30 07-15-91 8846 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
Re: LAST FISM UPDATE
Arnaud -
Thank you for the truly top-notch FISM coverage. You and the "Dutch
gang" did an incredible job of keeping the rest of the World informed.
MAGIC! and MAGIC-NL delivered an unprecedented sweep - Four for four:
PCAM, IBM, SAM, and FISM back-to-back. Over the next few days, I'm
going to try to put together a convention file with all of the
coverage.
That "David, I love you!" story is marvelous. We'll have to try to set
it up a second time for Tokyo - give David Copperfield something to
worry about. Van Vranken or I could always take Williamson's part.
As to the Japan coverage - I'm already starting to collect my language
learning materials, but I'm also hoping that we will involve some of
the Japanese attendees in the reporting.
Msg #8868 Dated 12:41:02 07-15-91 8849 <--> 8873
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
There is an old saying, "That and a dollar will get you a cup of
coffee." The Europeans have a system called VAT - Value Added Tax.
Rather than sales tax on the final sale to the consumer, every link in
the distribution chain pays tax on the value of the item when they
purchase it. For conceptual purposes, the VAT concept could be done
with ideas - value is added as they become cloaked in reality.
It is always very interesting to me to sit down with people from
various departments and work thru an idea. It's a lot like the old
"three blind me and an elephant" story - Engineering sees the thing one
way, manufacturing another, finance sees the whole thing completely
differently, legal has a view, marketing and sales each see it another
way, etc.
Our society is dependent on "free wheelin' creative types," but it is
also dependent on all of the other folks who help bring the thing to
market and make it pay off. It always reminds me of the story of the
various parts of the body debating over who was the most important -
the brain said, "I'm the director - without me the body wouldn't know
what to do next." The heart said, "I keep the body alive, I'm the most
important." The stomach said, "Without me to digest the food you guys
would starve." While the debate was going on, the a**hole said
nothing, it merely closed up for three days...
Sure, society couldn't make it without the creators, but it also
couldn't make it without the leaders and the perpetuators.
Msg #8869 Dated 12:51:15 07-15-91 8858 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SKIP SANSOUCIE
Re: WHAT IF
In 1938 a gentleman named Edgar Dale created something he called the
"Cone of Experience." In essence, the cone is a diagram of
instructional media types. Dale said that the closer the instruction
was to reality, the more successful it was.
I suspect that the best way to learn magic is ono-on-one with a gifted
mentor, preferably the one who invented the particular effect.
Next would probably be a small class with said mentor.
Video would be the next closest simulation of the actual experience.
Books have some nice features to them, but they rely on a rather
distant form of display - words and diagrams - to show the actual
moves.
Msg #8870 Dated 12:57:06 07-15-91 8859 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL STARR
Re: BULLETIN BOARD
There are four things that one can do to reduce phone costs and still
derive the maximum benefit/pleasure from MAGIC!:
1) Become familiar with MAGIC!'s features. MAGIC! has a lot of ability
to be "custom tailored" to the individual user's preferences.
The new PASSPORT TO MAGIC! is a 40-page book of MAGIC! instructions,
tips, and techniques. It is available for $12 plus $2 postage from
David Lichtman, P. O. Box 900, Arleta, California 91334 (please make
checks payable to David Lichtman).
2) Use a low-cost phone service for access. Many of the commercial
long-distance carriers now offer "deals" to frequently called
numbers, etc. In addition, there is an evening data only service
called "PC-Pursuit" that is available to heavy volume users. PC-
Pursuit is a bit techy to use, but once you get the thing set up,
you can access MAGIC! for $30 a month for _30-hours!_ The cost
is fixed, however, so you also pay the $30 if you only use one
hour a month. Info on PC-Pursuit can be had from a company named
Telenet - I believe their number is 800-TELENET. I do some calling
to systems all over the World and I use AT & T's "Reach Out"
service. Best to find the plan that works best for you.
3) Tabby Crabb has developed a set of "Modem Commando" tactics that he
uses to minimize his phone charges. He is generally on and off of
MAGIC! in UNDER ONE MINUTE per call. Tabby has offered to send them
to anyone and I plan to have his info up on MAGIC! shortly.
4) RDMAGIC (IMP!) is a MAGIC! viewer/reader/reply system that JERRY
BURTON has created. It allows you to capture all of the MAGIC!
messages and then to read them off-line. As you read, you can
create new messages and reply and append to existing messages.
You then go back on-line and send your messages back in a "burst."
RDMAGIC is now very close to completion. A "Beta Test" version
that already works very well is downloadable from MAGIC!. The
final version, with documentation, is expected shortly.
Msg #8872 Dated 14:10:24 07-15-91 8864 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO
Re: TOO SANE...
I agree. Pete has been away far too long. He has an excuse though
since he's doing magic biz. Maybe on the train to Russia rite now.
Msg #8873 Dated 14:10:30 07-15-91 8868 <--> 8874
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Hold it. I never said that the creators were the most important
people on the planet or that the planet wooden go around without
them. All I said is that wooden many books get published without
somebody to write it. Also, everything starts someplace. I never
negated the role anyone plays in the process. I certainly know
how many people and ideas it takes to make a project successful.
The free wheelin' creative types are the LUCKIEST folks on the
planet. Just thinking up stuff - and taking the initial steps to
put the project into reality - and getting checks in the mail. Thats
all I meant. Hell, I wooden even be on the system of using my mouse
if you free wheeling computer jocks hadn't blown in here and got this
system going for me.
Msg #8874 Dated 14:43:22 07-15-91 8873 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
I didn't mean to imply that you didn't know the process or that you
didn't appreciate the value that other people bring to the creative
process. I was sorta' using you as the sounding board for the generic
discussion that is going on.
Tell me about that getting checks in the mail bit - I've got a project
that should have been one of the "golden door" ones that results in a
royalty check every quarter - the last one was for about $11.25.
P.S. - Did I forget to send you the bill for the MAGIC! house call?
Msg #8876 Dated 17:02:56 07-15-91 -> 8881
From: MIKE KING
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: INSIDE MAGIC
Thanks Stan, recieved the copy of "Inside Magic" today. As you stated
in you note, would like to run in to each other at the Castle and trade
a card move or two. I'm a stage "finger flicking" kinda guy, so don't
know what I could show you besides Back palms, split fans and the like,
but what I know would be happy to show. I am also auditioning for the
close-up room on August 16th, 1:30p.m. Would love to have you there,
I f you can make it. Buy you a much deserved drink. Thanks again
MIKE.
Msg #8877 Dated 17:15:50 07-15-91 8819 <--> 8878
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: DRUG WARP
I haven't read the July Linking Ring yet but I will tonight. Anything
to do with postal stuff is good for my post office shows. Thanks for
bringing it to my attention.
Msg #8878 Dated 17:19:02 07-15-91 8822 <--> 8879
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN
Re: DRUG WARP
That's probably true that the restoration of the card defeats the Card
Warp effect. The way I present it the revelation of the card showing
half front and half back is an interlude and not the climax.
Msg #8879 Dated 17:23:48 07-15-91 8851 <--> 8884
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DRUG WARP
I have seen Sylvester- where he smashes that pan into his face?! Kids
would no doubt love a gag like that but it sure doesn't fit my style!
I haven't ever seen anyone or anything other than a cartoon, quite like
him.
Msg #8880 Dated 17:28:23 07-15-91 8821 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN
Re: COMEDY OPENER
I'm still learning what age groups respond best to what. I guess I
should stick to more visual, colorful effects preferably involving
animals. How about an exploding rabbit?
Sorry about that. What I'm finding is that the type of magic that I
most enjoy and prefer to perform is adult oriented. The parents always
seem more intrigued with my shows than the kids!
Msg #8881 Dated 17:52:16 07-15-91 8876 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: MIKE KING
Re: INSIDE MAGIC
I will be leaving to go to a wedding in Fresno Friday August 16th so
that date is a little iffy. I'll find out when I have to leave by and
see if I can still make it to the Castle. Will definitely try though
and I'll let you know if I can see your audition.
Msg #8882 Dated 18:39:18 07-15-91 8824 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN
Re: BIROSAN
Speaking of Hayden and the Stop Lite brass chips. Ron Alessi's list
came in today and he had one on the list so I added it to my Hayden
stuff.
Msg #8884 Dated 18:39:31 07-15-91 8879 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE
Re: DRUG WARP
I wasn't suggesting that you try his panface effect of course, but
it's a great example of a trick like that. I'd never heard of
Sylvester before IBM, but hope to catch him again. Looks like I'll
have to come to So Cal to the dentist to catch him though. I think
I've got his card somewhere around here and am supposed to give it
to the boss.
Msg #8885 Dated 20:02:34 07-15-91
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DOVES IN JAPAN
Your information is incorrect. Doves can be brought into Japan without
any quarantine period; one of the only types of animal for which this
is true. However, it is important that the proper paperwork is prepared
in advance, or else the doves will be confiscated.
Msg #8886 Dated 20:04:08 07-15-91 -> 8888
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: LANCE BURTON
"Lance Burton - A Magical Journey" is now running at the Hacienda
Casino on the Las Vegas Strip. There are two shows a night, 8:00 and
11:00 (dark Tuesdays). Admission is $15.95 plus tax (drinks optional).
Show reservations # is (702)-739-8911.
I will not run down a description of the show, as there are quite a few
surprises and illusions you've never seen, and it's worth seeing them
without advance knowledge. However, I will state that the show is
superb. It runs 1-1/2 hours, with Lance on stage for about seventy
minutes of that. The magic runs a wide gamut of styles, and there are
some powerful, memorable moments, as well as some very funny ones. The
guest act is Michael Goudeaux, a frenetic comedy juggler.
The cast also includes six topless dancers, and some erotic situations;
it is not a family show.
Highly recommended.
Msg #8887 Dated 20:14:27 07-15-91 8877 <--> 8919
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DRUG WARP
Didn't try the trick myself yet, so I don't know how good it is, but it
does envolve envelopes, stamps, and all that sort of stuff that is near
and dear to the hearts of postal folks.
Msg #8888 Dated 20:17:10 07-15-91 8886 <--> 8920
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LANCE BURTON
Thanks for the comments on Lance's new show. Will definitely have to
try and get to Vegas to see it.
Msg #8890 Dated 22:06:37 07-15-91 8762 <--> 8892
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GERALDO
I SAW HER EATING STUFF TOO! That was the best
trick, getting some goof to actually taste the
stuff after having handed to you with bare
hands. geeez!
Msg #8892 Dated 22:33:39 07-15-91 8890 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: GERALDO
It looked like Penn was reasonably careful in passing the stuff around,
and the Karo Syrup & Grenadine mix isn't supposed to stain (I really
did appreciate them giving the recipe - no telling when it could come
in handy), but I wonder who was responsible for the cleaning bills.
Msg #8894 Dated 23:44:39 07-15-91 8778 <--> 8895
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
YOU ARE RIGHT - publishing and wanting to keep the effect for your
private and exclusive use is ludicrous to say the least. Stealing
private bits is morally wrong, whereas using published bits is not.
.
Trying to take credit for a prior publication and SELLING is what
copyright law is all about, isn't it ?
Msg #8895 Dated 23:44:50 07-15-91 8788 <--> 8896
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Joycee Beck did Whit Hayden's mongolian pop knot routine almost
verbatum. The only line she didn't use was the one about grinding
his (her) own pixie dust in a blender.
James Chantler Brown did John Carney's finger popping gag exactly the
same way John does.
.
The mongolian pop knot routine has been a standard of Whit's for
several years. I have no problem with someone doing the same EFFECT
using exactly the same method. It is when they use the other person's
lines that I think the theft is most abhorent.
.
Admitedly the finger popper is just a throw-away, but my point was
that it was created by John Carney and is a part of current act. I
can't believe that someone would use the same gag at the castle.
.
Remember earlier this year the bruhah between with Rich Morata and
Johnny Thompson concerning the dove crap bit. If you are going to
someone's material it seems awfully dumb to do it on the creators
home turf.
Msg #8896 Dated 23:45:11 07-15-91 8798 <--> 8900
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
An idea not realized as a physical reality does not really exist. How
many times have you had an idea for a product or service and didn't
follow up on it and someone else did. Ever hear yourself say, "Jeez
I thought of that years ago", if you had taken it to market then you
would have reaped the benefits.
.
The idea for a product probably only reprsents 10% of the entire
effort to make a product or service profitable. With respect to magic
suppose you see someone perform an effect and you add something to it
create the gaffs, materials, and instructions and take it to market.
You add a caveat, "Inspired by a routine by Joe Magi". Do you owe
Joe Magi anything more than a credit for inspiring you ?
Msg #8898 Dated 23:45:32 07-15-91 8880 <--> 8915
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: COMEDY OPENER
Read some of Piaget's work on what age kids develop different mental
abilities and choose your material accordingly.
.
I personally subscribe to the W.C. Fields school of thought regarding
kids - I like kids, Bar-BQed with a little sweet and sour sauce.
Msg #8899 Dated 23:45:40 07-15-91 8810 <--> 8903
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: FISM
Evan, Evan, I wouldn't do that. It's absolutely true, may the Frog,
Tabman, and Merlin be my witnesses. When I get the film developed
I'll send you a copy of the picture I took of him. He really exists.
Msg #8900 Dated 0:01:29 07-16-91 8837 <--> 8901
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
I didn't want to put Bascom, who is a friend, in a bad position -- but
I have to say that I did find it surprising t Bloch didn't think it
necessary or even courteous to notify the originators. There's a great
deal of my stuff in those books -- and I never got so much as a thank
you -- let alone a set of the books!
Msg #8901 Dated 0:04:07 07-16-91 8841 <--> 8907
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
When the reader does the effect exactly as in the book, with every line
of dialogue as written -- then it IS more than a blueprint -- but in an
ideal world it shouldn't be.
Msg #8903 Dated 0:47:13 07-16-91 8899 <--> 8910
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: FISM
Mmm.
Msg #8904 Dated 1:41:08 07-16-91 8881 <--> 8923
From: MIKE KING
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: INSIDE MAGIC
Thanks, need all the friendly faces I can get there, HA!!! Noatter
what, will be happy to supply that drink.
MIKE.
Msg #8907 Dated 8:05:22 07-16-91 8895 <--> 8908
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: SAM DAY 1
Looks like to me that the writing's on the wall. "Borrowing" as a
way to build an act's days are numbered. Of course, if magic gets
as popular with the general population as music, for example, then
it would open up thousands of "jobs" as "copy magicians." Since most
of the top workers (original, etc) will be seen daily on both
network tv and cable - The Magic Channel - when the tv crowd goes out
for a drink and some magic at the local pub the magi there will
do complete copy sets. Originality will be a detriment in this
situation. Bar Owner. "Look, Spike. I pay you to do cover magic. I
don't want to see you doing any of your own stuff in my bar or you're
fired. Ok, Ok. One original trick a set, but no more." Entertainment
Tomorrow will have the Top Ten (kai) Trick Countdown and solo effects
will be available on video singles and the best selling music will
be soundtracks from Magic Shows. Kids will dress like magicians on
Halloween (which will become a Nat'l holiday) and Adams trick racks
will be at the 7-11. BMI and ASCAP will be forced to enter the
Effect Royalty field with the dropping sales in music and the advent
of All Trick Radio. Effect Writers and Publishers will bound to the
mailbox joyfully each quarter. The Academy of Magical Arts Awards
(Harrys) will usurp the Grammys and the Oscars on tv. David
Williamson will be elected President using Kent Cummins slogan,
"Sometimes it takes a Magician." Kent's family will be wealthy
from royalty payments from bumper sticker sales carrying the same
slogan. Democrats and Republicans will merge with the IBM and the SAM
and will move solidly into the political arena.
.
(All rights beyond MAGIC!'s initial Copyright reserved. I think I'll
write the book and the movie.)
Msg #8908 Dated 8:05:46 07-16-91 8896 <--> 8911
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: SAM DAY 1
I would suggest that the initial kernal of an idea probably only
represents less than 1% of what actually goes into any complex
project that reaches fulfillment through whatever process.
Msg #8910 Dated 8:05:57 07-16-91 8899 <--> 8916
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: FISM
I must admit that OUR Evan Katz is the handsomer of the two.
Msg #8911 Dated 8:06:01 07-16-91 8900 <--> 8912
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
I just got their catalog in the mail and if I recall you are listed
in the credits. If these gems were songs, then you'd be getting paid
per collection sold. If TC were TA he'd be requesting a set of books,
as royalty; though I certainly understand your position.
Msg #8912 Dated 8:06:08 07-16-91 8901 <--> 8913
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
Didn't Bach first play Hayden note for note?
Msg #8913 Dated 8:18:46 07-16-91 8901 <--> 8914
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS
Re: SAM DAY 1
Often, bits of patter are considered to be integral to the effect and
the author has put a great deal of time and effort into creating the
dialogue as a part of the effect. In Workers Number 1, Michael Close
wrote, "A 'worker' is a routine in which every last performance detail
has been thought out. These performance details include the technical
aspects of the routine, the patter, audience management, and
misdirection."
(In all fairness, a few pages later he states, "A word about the
patter. I have included just about every line I use during the
presentation of the routines. I may not use every line at every
performance. The workiness of the patter depends on my evaluation of
the audience I am performing for. Some folks get only a bare bones
show. Others get all the bells and whistles. It is vital that you
re-script my patter into words which you feel comfortable saying. You
are not me; you are not an actor thrying to portray me; you are trying
to be yourself. The patter was included in the manuscript to show you
my verbal approach to the routine. Please use it only as a guide.")
Still, it is apparent that he considers the concepts behind the
particular lines of patter essential to the success of the effect,
suggesting only that you modify it to suit your personality and style.
When the author goes thru the trouble to clearly attach the patter to
the effect and to make it clear that the patter is important, is it
surprising that some folks will perform it virtually verbatim? After
all, the author has sold them the effect, complete with the patter.
To paraphrase and combine Richard Hart's and Evan Katz's statements
(while fully acknowledging that I am doing so in a manner for which I
take full responsibility), why shouldn't Iggy follow directions?
Msg #8914 Dated 8:37:49 07-16-91 8907 <--> 8945
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Tabman - YOU make my day! But you should post a warning that the
following message is likely to knock me off my chair so that I can have
a paramedic standing by. All of your rights, beyond the initial MAGIC!
Copyright, are hereby recognized for that message!
Msg #8915 Dated 8:40:36 07-16-91 8898 <--> 8921
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: COMEDY OPENER
I agree with Jerry - Piaget's understanding of children's perceptions
can significantly enhance any performances for children. And if his
books prove a bit too complex, there are summaries and translations
available in college bookstores.
Msg #8916 Dated 8:42:22 07-16-91 8899 <--> 8918
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: FISM
I did not personally see the Evan Katz in question, but I was rather
startled when I first heard him paged during the convention. In this
case, since you both apparently may be performing under the same name,
you may have to use your Birth Certificates to determine first rights,
since I assume that neither set of parents was likely to have been
precognitive enough to have copyrighted the name at birth.
Msg #8918 Dated 9:26:13 07-16-91 8916 <--> 8946
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM
Well, I must say this for all the Evan Katzes I know. They are all
outstanding individuals having achieved a fair degree of success at
early ages. Not a bad name at all. Maybe I'll name my next son, Evan
Katz Crabb and call him KATZ.
Msg #8919 Dated 14:09:45 07-16-91 8887 <--> 8927
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DRUG WARP
If I were to use that routine I would definitely have to rework the
patter. The way it is written up in the Linking Ring is how you can
send a letter and pay only one cent instead of 29 cents for postage.
It might be a good idea for the average audience and performer and it
is topical with the recent postage increase. A postal audience would
see me as a scam artist cheating them out of revenue!
Msg #8920 Dated 14:18:14 07-16-91 8886 <--> 8925
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LANCE BURTON
Sounds like a great show and a great deal. I have never seen a Vegas
magic show and the only other show I know of for comparison price-wise
is Siegfried and Roy which I hear is around $60.00. I hear they are
both great shows but am I comparing apples and oranges or is S&R really
four times better?
Msg #8921 Dated 14:30:28 07-16-91 8898 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: COMEDY OPENER
I remember Biro saying he does the same magic for kids as he does for
adults. I don't remember if he changes his patter but I assume he
would.
Before I became a magician myself I had only seen one live magic
performance in my life! I was about ten at the time and I can still
remember how awed I was at the torn and restored paper trick. Very
simple, very visual, easy to understand. It's now obvious to me what
Max was saying about staying away from conceptual effects.
I've always said I like kids too- as long as they're someone elses!
Msg #8923 Dated 14:41:34 07-16-91 8904 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: MIKE KING
Re: INSIDE MAGIC
I know what you mean about it being nice to have a friendly face to
perform for. I remember auditioning for membership down in the
"Dungeon" and it was one of the most terrifying experiences in my life!
I had an easier time learning to skydive. All of the highlights in my
routine where I am used to hearing those "OOOS and AHHHS" were met with
stone silence. (Gee is there some chance they had ever seen this
stuff before?)
I would imagine it would be much easier for you since you are a
seasoned performer and the audience will also consist of "normal"
appreciatve audience members. Good Luck!
Msg #8924 Dated 14:47:36 07-16-91 -> 8928
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: DOG TRICKS
A friend of mine claimed he once had a dog who would take a classic
force beautifully and could also turn over a face down selected card
among others placed on the floor. Like the size of the fish that got
away I bet as the years go on I will find out that this wonder-dog
could do perfect table faro shuffles.
Anyway, I was looking at my ever loving yet pea brained pet wondering
if I could ever teach him some kind of trick. Well as it turns out it
was simpler than I thought and if any of you have a dog that can bark
on command you can have a lot of fun with this.
Look on page 66 of the Royal Road to Card Magic at a trick called
"Design for Laughter". It's quite easy to do and with a little thought
and effort you can have a little miracle on your hands.
The way I work it is to have a card chosen and replaced and then
between Baron (my Labrador) and myself we endeavor to find the card.
I cut the deck into three places and have Baron look at the cards I cut
to. I say he will "Woof" if I cut to the chosen card. He doesn't woof
and the spectators think we missed it. I then start to deal the cards
from the bottom asking Baron to speak when he thinks I've come to the
chosen card. The word "speak" is his cue and sometimes I have to
repeat it for him a few times but he always comes through. The
spectators still think we blew it until the cards are turned over and
Baron gets a treat for his great sleight of paw.
Msg #8925 Dated 16:12:56 07-16-91 8920 <--> 8926
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LANCE BURTON
Apples and oranges. Siegfried & Roy's show is the most elaborate and
spectacular live show in history, with a mammoth cast, extraordinary
technical effects, a specially-built showroom, etc. Lance's show is, on
a production level, far smaller, with modest technical facilities. I
think both shows are excellent, and both achieve their respective
theatrical goals, but there is absolutely no point in trying to compare
them.
Msg #8926 Dated 16:20:43 07-16-91 8925 <--> 8931
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LANCE BURTON
So it sounds like both shows are good values. I'll make a point to see
both of them next time I'm in Vegas. (Which I always hope is soon!)
I haven't seen your show yet either. Do you have any plans for the
L.A. area anytime soon? I notice you often at the Castle yet I have
not seen you perform there. This is just a guess, but is there just
about as much chance of seeing you perform at the Castle as seeing
Seigfreid and Roy there?
Msg #8927 Dated 16:25:32 07-16-91 8919 <--> 8930
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DRUG WARP
All I knew was that it used envelopes and stamps - I hadn't read it
yet. Maybe you could make it work in reverse and show how the P.O. can
collect 29-cents for 1-cent worth of work?
Msg #8928 Dated 16:31:30 07-16-91 8924 <--> 8950
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DOG TRICKS
Neat trick, Stan! We don't have a dog, but maybe I can recruit our
2-1/2 year old as the assistant. Don't know if that will work - he
demands top billing when he performs. Guess I'll have to be the
assistant.
Msg #8929 Dated 16:37:46 07-16-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: TROPHY
Bill -
I was finally unpacking the last of my stuff today and I came across
something I forgot to tell you about. When Pete and I took over the
suite, we noticed that you'd forgotten to take that gold pyramid award
thing that was on the table in the living room. Since Pete was not
heading home, we stuck it in my suitcase for you. I'm really sorry for
the delay and hope you haven't been in a panic, but I forgot it was
there. Do you want me to ship it to you?
Msg #8930 Dated 18:38:17 07-16-91 8927 <--> 8932
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DRUG WARP
That's no trick- they already collect 29 cents for 1-cent worth of
work! OOPS! Did I say that?
Msg #8931 Dated 19:49:15 07-16-91 8926 <--> 8933
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LANCE BURTON
Back in the late 1970s I performed at the Magic Castle with a fair
amount of frequency -- in fact, for whatever it's worth, I'm the only
person to have ever worked every room there. However, in the past
decade I have performed only two one-week engagements. I have no plans
to work there in the near future, but one never knows for sure.
As for L.A. area appearances, I did an eight-week run at the Comedy
Store in West Hollywood this past January and February. The number of
regular members of this BBS who attended, discounting T. A. Waters who
would have come anyway, numbered zero. There are some possibilities for
my performances in town in the coming months, but nothing definite.
Given the lack of support just mentioned, I'm not sure if I should
bother to post such information should it come to pass.
Msg #8932 Dated 20:16:33 07-16-91 8930 <--> 8936
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DRUG WARP
Be careful, Stan. A couple of lines like that and you will be forced
into a career as a full-time magician.
Msg #8933 Dated 20:18:20 07-16-91 8931 <--> 8934
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LANCE BURTON
It may be a matter of "person" vs. "couple," but I believe that Marvin
Roy (and in the Parlour and Palace, with Carol Roy) have worked every
regularly booked room at the Castle.
I suspect that it is impossible to assume that no regular members of
MAGIC! attended any of the performances while you were at the Comedy
Store. As I recall, there was a great deal of interest and it is quite
possible that some of the "silent majority" who are here regularly but
who choose not to post messages or to call attention to themselves may
have attended. In my own case, I was involved in a very intensive
project in Alhambra. On several occassions I tried to recruit several
people from the project to attend, but as we were often working twelve
to sixteen hour days, it was difficult.
I guess that in the above paragraph I overlooked the fact that you are
a mentalist and that you would therefore KNOW if any MAGIC! members
were in the room, along, of course, with knowing what they had for
dinner, how much change they had in their pockets, and their Driver's
License number. Perhaps you should disregard every paragraph except
the first one.
Msg #8934 Dated 20:25:01 07-16-91 8931 <--> 8937
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LANCE BURTON
The lack of support from local members of this BBS certainly does sound
discouraging. Maybe some saw the sh w but didn't introduce themselves?
If I do hear of you performing in the L.A. area and I am in town, I
WILL attend and I WILL introduce myself!
Msg #8935 Dated 20:29:55 07-16-91 -> 8938
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: EFFECT REGISTRY
Ee;
There's an ad in the March 1951 issue of The Sphinx that you might
be interested in. I wonder if this is the guy Pete Biro was talking
about. Anyway, here tis:
Let the magic Dealer's Assn Protect Your Inventions and Originations.
You need not be a member of the M.D.A. to make use of their registry
of tricks. A charge of $5.00 per trick is made, but it establishes
your rights to the principle, idea or equipment you are registering.
Registrar is: Edw. W. Dart, 21 Tuscan Rd., Maplewood, N.J.
.
In the same issue; an article by Audley Walsh on the Amateur/Pro
scene in 1951. Walsh credits the amateur with the growth of magic
as a hobby and paints the amateur as the friend to all professionals
a guy who will share his home, etc buy your books, and only steals
your act because he thinks he's paying you a compliment. What a guy.
.
This issue has articles from Blackstone (Sr.), Harlan Tarbell, Les Le
vante, Harbin, Okito, Fu Manchu (Okito's son David), Dunninger, Virgi
l, J.B. Findlay and other illuminaries. An ad for the Mid Century
Magic Conventiona advertises for HIM...instruction, dealers, contests
shows, meet the greats. For HER.... Fashion show, boat trip, Tea
Party. And for him and her a Gala banguet. The price: $16 for the
entire family.
Msg #8936 Dated 20:29:44 07-16-91 8932 <--> 8939
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DRUG WARP
What a dream that wo uld be. But then that means I would have to WORK
for a living! (Am I getting closer?)
Msg #8937 Dated 20:32:51 07-16-91 8933 <--> 8944
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LANCE BURTON
Come to think of it, I have seen John Carney in every room at the
Castle although he may have just been M.C.ing.
Msg #8938 Dated 21:45:14 07-16-91 8935 <--> 8943
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB
Re: EFFECT REGISTRY
Thank you for that report from 1951, Tabby. My, how Ckrayborgue is
moving into the present! Seriously, everything you mentioned really
was interesting.
The MDA (Magic Dealer's Association) is still around and existant,
although I believe they have stopped registering ideas and tricks.
At the IBM Banquet, Harry Blackstone Jr. said something to the effect
that (And here I am hopefully correctly paraphrasing, not exactly
quoting), "We are all amateurs, at least I hope we are. Even the
professionals, because being an amateur means loving magic." (I think
I have it close to right). The line may very well have been his
summary of the discussion here on MAGIC!
Hmmmm.... Wonder how Melinda, Becky Blaney, Ellen Tunkelrott, etc.
would have enjoyed the fashion show, the boat trip, and the Tea Party.
Msg #8939 Dated 21:51:39 07-16-91 8936 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE
Re: DRUG WARP
Some dream - being constantly followed around by small children yelling
"Where's the rabbit sleep," and "Can I have another balloon, Mister?"
Hmmm... actually, it sounds a bit better than demanding clients, broken
computers, and proofreaders.
Bob Sheets went from the IBM convention to a month or so of performing
street magic in Europe, working for tips. I had a moment or two of
jealousy when he told us about it.
Msg #8943 Dated 22:34:34 07-16-91 8938 <--> 8951
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: EFFECT REGISTRY
The observation that the word "amateur" stems from the Latin word for
"to love" is hardly new. Anyone involved with magic, pro or amateur,
who does not base that involvement at least in part on a love for it
is an idiot. However, given that using the word in this literal sense
winds up making it all-inclusive, for all intents and purposes, if it
is to be defined as "one who loves [magic]" then it becomes useless as
a word for other discussions.
Msg #8944 Dated 22:37:23 07-16-91 8933 <--> 8949
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: LANCE BURTON
Marvyn Roy and John Carney have never conducted the Castle seance. When
I said "all rooms" I meant it, including table work in the dining
areas, the Wine Cellar and its adjacent room, and perhaps the no-longer
used alcove in front of the Palace, in addition to the three formal
performing venues and the seance. I believe I'm the only person to ever
work _all_ of them.
Mind you, I don't consider this a particularly important distinction,
just an interesting fact which was brought up by the question about my
infrequency of performance at the Magic Castle during the past decade.
Msg #8945 Dated 23:14:08 07-16-91 8907 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB
Re: SAM DAY 1
We're talking nothing less than "Brave New MAGIC! World."
Msg #8946 Dated 23:16:10 07-16-91 8910 <--> 8947
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB
Re: FISM
Thank you.
Msg #8947 Dated 23:16:41 07-16-91 8916 <--> 8948
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FISM
There are, actually, several sets of EK's around the country that
I know of. A guy I looked up through Compuserve who's a lawyer
in NY who ALSO turned out to be the same Evan Katz my day camp when
I was nine used to switch my bathing suit with (sentence patrol).
Also there's a kid in Connecticut who a college friend met when he
was substitute teaching. Roll-called the guy, then told him that he
knew an Evan Katz who lived in Los Angeles. The kid replied -- "No
way, you can't know him, that guy's a big producer!/"
I have, however, never heard of THIS Evan Katz. And I am, to be
honest, not at all sure that my tibia isn't being pulled on.
Msg #8948 Dated 23:19:49 07-16-91 8918 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB
Re: FISM
One advantage of having my last name is being able to call my
cat "Fred Katz." As to naming your next son after me, you
have my blessing. Why shouldn't you do to your son what my
parents did to me?
When I see you, however, I intend to bring along a polygraph, and
determine how much of this story is true.
Msg #8949 Dated 23:23:24 07-16-91 8931 <--> 8954
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN
Re: LANCE BURTON
Post it!
Msg #8950 Dated 23:25:22 07-16-91 8924 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STAN LAKE
Re: DOG TRICKS
Baron, however, wants performance royalties.
Msg #8951 Dated 23:27:09 07-16-91 8935 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB
Re: EFFECT REGISTRY
Cool history, T-man. Where was the convention (I'm curious).
Also, did you notice piture of me on page 23, looking ten years
older than I look know, a la "The Shining?"
Msg #8954 Dated 23:46:02 07-16-91 8931 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN
Re: LANCE BURTON
For the record, Max...
Many years ago, I used to hang out at the Comedy Store and I've
performed on the main stage there on several occasions. That, as I
say, was many years ago. I haven't set foot in the Comedy Store since
two weeks before the legendary Comedians' Strike...ten or twelve years
ago. Please don't take it personally that I wouldn't line Mitzi
Shore's pockets to come and see your show there.
'W.
Msg #8955 Dated 23:51:08 07-16-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE LECTURE
John Carney's scheduled lecture at the Magic Castle has just been
cancelled. I guess ol' John got a better paying gig somewhere else.
'W.
Msg #8956 Dated 0:13:27 07-17-91 8911 <--> 8957
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB
Re: SAM DAY 1
Yeah -- I'd like a set, certainly; but I shouldn't have to ask.
Msg #8957 Dated 0:14:07 07-17-91 8912 <--> 8958
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB
Re: SAM DAY 1
No -- he played Haydn -- which, incidentally, is the way Whit now
spells his name (though it is still pronounced Hayden.
Msg #8958 Dated 0:15:50 07-17-91 8913 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: SAM DAY 1
Because if Iggy does an effect precisely as in the book, patter and
all, he (or Iggette, she) isn't performing at all; only
demonstrating.
It takes very little talent and no artistry to be a demonstrator,
and
the applause that comes for a demo is due the creator, and not the
person doing the demo.
PREMISES are valuable things in effects -- a dramatic premise can
often be the difference between a performable effect and a waste of
time -- but given the premise, the interpretive artist in magic is
going to find his or her own presentation of that premise.
Msg #8959 Dated 0:19:08 07-17-91 8915 <--> 8963
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: COMEDY OPENER
It should be noted that not all developmental psychology theory and
work is behind Piaget; there are a significant number of dissenters.
Msg #8960 Dated 0:38:39 07-17-91 8923 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: STAN LAKE
Re: INSIDE MAGIC
Thanks. I'm sure things should be fun. If you get a chance please
try
and make it. I will probally do a run thru for a few chosen friends
in
the "Dungeon" in a couple of weeks will advise as to when. I am
producing a feature film right now and it is taking up most of my
time.
But should find a night early in August to do the thing. Thanks
for
the nice words. Hope to meet up with you soon. MIKE.
Msg #8961 Dated 0:44:08 07-17-91 8931 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN
Re: LANCE BURTON
Please do post it. I for one was planning on coming up to the comedy
club, but my schedule just didn't allow it. Have only seen your
mind games tape, and several TV spots, plus the your last castle
appearance. Would like to see you again.
.
Just got Joe Stevens new catalog. He has a good write-up on Lance
as you well know (since there is a prominent quote and picture of
you).
Msg #8963 Dated 0:44:27 07-17-91 8921 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE
Re: COMEDY OPENER
Kids seem to like sucker effects, where you let them think they have
caught you and then you zap-em at the end, e.g. Hippity-hop rabbits,
die box, and of course the ever popular balloon animals.
Msg #8964 Dated 0:44:33 07-17-91 8916 <--> 8965
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP)
Re: FISM
I would say that the PA Evan Katz's have claim to the name since the
one we met was Evan Katz jr. and his son is Evan Katz III.
.
Maybe our Evan will have to become Katz the Konjurer or maybe King
of Koins Katz, or ???
Msg #8965 Dated 0:44:40 07-17-91 8948 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ
Re: FISM
I have photgraphic evidence. If anyone has an enlarger I'm sure
we can enlarge the section that shows his badge.
.
I can't believe you think I would lie about something this
important.
You hurt me to the quick.
Msg #8967 Dated 0:44:56 07-17-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: RICHARD WEBSTER
I am considering buying two tapes by Richard Webster entitled
"Techniques for Psychics" and "The Close-Up Mentalism of Richard
Webster". Can anyone tell me anything about him or the tapes.
.
Thanks in advance - Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #8968 Dated 2:39:14 07-17-91 8958 <--> 8971
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS
[This message was garbled and lost]
Msg #8971 Dated 3:30:29 07-17-91 8968 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON
Re: SAM DAY 1
Because the patter is given as an _example_ which can be used as a
point of reference when developing your own.
Msg #8972 Dated 3:32:11 07-17-91 8954 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS
Re: LANCE BURTON
If I took it all that personally, I would have stopped calling in to
this BBS. The only reason I brought it up now was in responding to a
specific question.
Msg #8973 Dated 3:34:18 07-17-91 8959 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: T A WATERS
Re: COMEDY OPENER
Indeed; I am one of them.
[Msg. #8974 may or may not have been private - it is irretrievable]
Msg #8975 Dated 14:04:03 07-17-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MESSAGE BASE
The message base has been temporarily removed. This morning, at about
5:41 a.m. we had a major systems glitch. We are in the recovery
process. To the best of our knowledge, virtually all of the message
base is safe, but it will require restoration.
We hope to be able to restore the messages sometime on Thursday.
Meanwhile you can continue with the MAGIC! conversations...
Msg #8976 Dated 15:54:45 07-17-91 -> 8977
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: CHECKING
Just checking on you to see how you're getting along after spending the
day working to restore the message base. I thought you must of had an
earthquake on the left bank this morning.
Msg #8977 Dated 16:03:50 07-17-91 8976 <--> 9010
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CHECKING
Still don't know what happened. We seem to have been able to save most
of the message base and thanks for the update that you provided.
Msg #8980 Dated 16:23:12 07-17-91 -> 8984
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
This trick and associated patter came from an idea on the Gene Anderson
video tape put out by Stevens Magic Emporium. In it he presented the
explanation of torn and restored newspaper as what would it look loke
if God really gave you the power to do one trick. I've taken this idea
and said...what might it look like if God gave me the power to find a
lost card in deck. Well some of the things a trick like this would
have to have (assuming I really had the power) are; 1) the deck should
be handed to the spectator to fully examine and should be ungimicked in
any way. 2) the spectator should be able to shuffle the deck as much
as he likes. 3) the selection process should hide both front and back
from the magi to prevent use of a marked deck (a Michael Ammar idea),
4) the spectator should be able to sign the card, 5) the deck must be
able to be completely shuffled clearly and fairly with no fancy cuts or
handling after the card is buried in the deck and 6) the finding should
be clear and unambigous.
.
I think I have come up with a way to do this and as this is my first
"invention" I invite your comments.
.
Set up marking pen in pocket, blue backed regular deck in hand and red
backed card in right pants pocket facing such that when palmed it can
be loaded on the bottom of the deck.
.
DISCUSS THE WAY MAGI DO THINGS BUT THIS TRICK IS DIFFERENT. IF GOD HAD
GIVEN YOU THE POWER TO FIND THE CARD YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAND THE DECK
TO A SPECTATOR (hand spectator the deck)AND ALLOW HIM TO FULLY EXAMINE
THE DECK, FRONTS AND BACKS. IN FACT HE MAY EVEN SHUFFLE THE DECK UNTIL
HE/SHE IS CONVINCED THE ORDER IS TOTALLY RANDOM. (under cover of
specator action steal card from pocket in palm. Tis best to steal
early after spectator has deck so hand doesn't come out of pocket to
take deck. When deck is returned load card on bottom.)
.
Next is the selection phase. A TRUE MAGI WOULD HAVE A CARD SELECTED SO
THE FRONT AND BACK CANNOT BE SEEN PRECLUDING THE USE OF A MARKED DECK.
( I use a bottom force I learned from John Bannons Tape, Impossibilia
where the deck is beveled at about 45 degrees and rifled thru. The
specator says stop and the decks separated at that point. The bottom
card has been pushed over during the preliminary patter and stays with
the top pack, after squareing the deck show specator his card which is
on the bottom of the top pack - this is the red backed card)NOW THAT
THE SELCTION HAS BEEN MADE THE CARD NEEDS TO BE MADE UNIQUE SO THE
SPECATOR IS ASKED TO SIGN IT. (Holding the whole top half have
specator sign showing card. This keeps the back from becoming visible
to you is the logic although I really don't want a red back showing
here. The two halves are recombined burying the selected card.
.
NOTING TRICKY CARD HANDLING ASK THE SPECTATOR TO KEEP HIS EYES ON THE
DECK. YOU CLEARLY HAVE BURIED THE CARD AND YOU NOW CLEANLY RIFLE
SHUFFLE THE DECK UNTIL THE SPECATOR IS SURE HIS CARD IS LOST. CUT THE
DECK CLEANLY AND FAIRLY (all this is clean and fair just don't flash
the red back. When working this out I found the red card in the pocket
tended to get slightly sticky and wanted ever so bad to flash if I used
an overhand shuffle or hindu shuffle.)
.
(Now when you have him convinced that the card is lost) NOW IF GOD HAD
GIVEN ME THE POWER TO FIND THE CARD I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SNAP MY FINGERS
OVER THE DECK AND FIND THE CARD.
.
I'm trying several endings at this point, 1) is to expose the red
backed card, show it is the selected card end of trick. another is to
give the power to the spectator and allow him to find the card and
finally for me to find the card with the backs slightly away from the
specator and cut the selected card to second from top. Display with a
double lift and ask him if has any idea how I knew. No matter what say
it was simple, he picked the only red backed card in a blue backed
deck, all of which can be examined. (oh yea I also remove the blue
back duplicate of the red packed card I am going to force. Early on
the heat is not really on the deck, but after the transform someone is
likey to really check the deck out.
.
I tryed something elese new here in that I simply sent a text file
rather than type in this whole thing...Hope it worked
.
Randy Lund
Msg #8981 Dated 16:24:56 07-17-91 -> 8989
From: RANDY LUND
To: SYSOP
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
I am attaching to this a copy of the flyer I uploaded a couple of days
ago. If OK with you I'll DTP this thing and have it ready for the get
together in August or I can modify it at will.
.
MAGIC! - the interactive magicians magazine for the 90's and beyond
MAGIC! is a computer bulletin board just for magicians. You can learn
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messages and you can visit such writer/magician/experts as Max Maven,
Jeff Busby, Tabby
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guy who runs the board}) on a daily basis.
Just some of the recent happenings on MAGIC! include:
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- Computer programs to help you order your magical life including:
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A press release kit
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Look for Randy's review of the Abbotts Magic Get Together appearing on
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Msg #8982 Dated 17:04:44 07-17-91 -> 8996
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
Ee;
Evan,
I know you're interested in magic books, at least the review of
such. There are several books I'm starting soon and I wanted to
know if you'd be interested in comments on any of them. I'm about
finished with ROAD HUSTLER (the new rev. and enlarged ed) and find
it to be true. I haven't started reading the added section on
magic. ILLUSION SHOW by David Bamberg is waiting patiently for me
to clear away my work and get some time read. DEVICE AND ILLUSION by
Jim Steinmeyer is already read (I jumped it into the middle of RH)
and will be read again. I merely moved it to the bottom of the read
pile. Also a bunch of old books you're probably not interested in
that I want to go through. What kind of books interest you?
Msg #8984 Dated 18:56:29 07-17-91 8980 <--> 8985
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
The idea of insuring that the magician sees neither the front or the
back of a selected card so as to preclude use of secret markings is
hardly attributable to Michael Ammar.
Msg #8985 Dated 19:19:37 07-17-91 8980 <--> 8987
From: STAN LAKE
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Nice idea Randy! I came up with a slightly different presentation that
fits me better. The angle I use is an air of extreme comical
pompousness (pomposity?). Stating how to the untrained eye the backs
of all cards look identical. But being fortunate to be born gifted and
furthermore through years of arduous study and practice I have finely
honed my razor sharp visual perception to near perfection. With but a
mere glance I can instantly discern the slightest variation between the
chosen card and all of the others. It is their good fortune that I
will magically, albeit temporarily imbue them with this same power of
keen observation. (Wave of wand or whatever) Look for the one card
that seems to look slightly different from the others. (Ribbon spread
or fan deck) Show the selection.
I'm sure everyone would have a different handling but right off the top
of my head that's what I like.
Thanks for the great idea. This is something you can do just about
anytime in a routine. I like it!
Msg #8987 Dated 21:29:31 07-17-91 8985 <--> 9027
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
A great effect! Very clever. Thank you for posting it. Although not
at all similar in handling, etc. there is a nice "single red card"
effect called "Embarrassed Card" that I've used, with modifications,
quite frequently. Personally, I think yours is BETTER, but if you ever
want to look up the other one, I believe you will find it in Frank
Garcia's 1973 book, Super Subtle Card Miracles.
Msg #8989 Dated 23:19:49 07-17-91 8981 <--> 9113
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Randy -
I've finally had a chance to review your press release for Abbotts.
Looks great except for a couple of items I would note. Hope you
don't mind. Also hope you don't mind that I've been a bit
telegraphic instead of polite - it has been a long day.
A personal bias, but I really try to discourage refering to MAGIC!
as a "bulletin board." To me it sounds techy.
My name is spelled Lichtman, don't know if I'm "beloved" (see some
of Max's comments!).
I like the idea of the "recent happenings" - You might mention FULL
"LIVE" COVERAGE OF PCAM/IBM/SAM/FISM direct from the conventions!
I like the idea of pointing out the different computers that can be
used. Don't see the need to mention that programs require IBM or
clone, since I always think that the main attraction is the
messages, and everyone can read those. I try to avoid words like
"downloaded" since there are magi who don't know what that means and
it sound too technical for them.
In general releases, we usually skip the communications setups. We
actually support 300 to 9600 bps and we support both N-8-1 and
E-7-1, but I feel those are things they can learn once they are
online. No need to make it complex in a flyer.
I like the part about "not for the merely curious." Good PR stuff!
Here's one of the flyers we used at IBM, modified slightly for the
present use. Feel free to use parts of it.
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There are currently about 600 magicians, from Japan to Europe, on
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Msg #8992 Dated 0:06:05 07-18-91 -> 9016
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: HOUDINI BOOK
I'm looking for some helpful information on a book before I make
a potentially costly mistake.
The book is: "The Unmasking of Robert-Houdin" (first edition)
with an inscription saying: "To my dear friend XXX XXXX, Harry
Houdini May 15, 1915"
(I don't remember the friend's name, but it's no one famous or I
would have remembered)
I have not yet seen the book personally, but I have been assured
it's genuine and in "good" condition with no obvious stains,
tears, etc.
I've been told the book alone can go for about $100-150 unsigned,
but I have no idea how much I should spend for an autographed
one.
If anyone out there can help out with perhaps an estimate or any
other evaluation, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
David VanVranken
Msg #8993 Dated 0:06:50 07-18-91 -> 8994
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: STARS
An open letter to Max Maven,
I have a problem that I'm sure is not unique. I live in awe of
performers, stars, celebrities of any kind. Something about them
succeeding and being "famous" where others have failed, or were
too scared to try, puts them in such an elevated state that they
are, to me, unapproachable. I scares me to even speak to them.
I saw you once at Darwin's Midnight Meeting several years ago at
Bourbon StreetCasino, but as soon as we realized who you were,
we spoke of you in hushed whispers like "do you know who that is?
That's Max Maven!"
I don't live in the L.A. area, but if I was able to see you in a
show, I'm sure you would never know it.
If you are appearing somewhere, I'm sure some of your fans could
be Magic! BBS'ers but, like me, are more comfortable watching
from a distance. I've heard our BBS membership is about 600
strong, but I see no more than about 10 to 20 names that actively
participate. For the other 580 of us, please continue to post
future appearances, and if I'm there I'll try to get up the nerve
to say "hello".
Speaking on this board has forced me to rethink my feelings, as
now I can speak openly to many well known people I would never
even consider talking to in person.
At the recent SAM convention I had trouble equating some of the
dealers (who by some are the "lowest form of life") with the
world class performers they became on stage. An hour later there
they were hawking trick decks and the like as if nothing
happened.
I'm not sure which is better. To keep "Stars" at some elevated
position I can work to achieve, or "Mortalize" them by realizing
they're no different than anyone else, and they're just doing
their jobs.
I wonder?
David (the other one)
Msg #8994 Dated 0:15:40 07-18-91 8993 <--> 9011
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: STARS
I was very impressed by David Van Vranken's letter to you. I really
think that he has spoken for the "silent majority" here on MAGIC!
I've mentioned it before, but I think it forms an addendum to his
letter. When Karrel Fox had his heart attack, we posted an
announcement on here that we would forward messages to him. We had
very few responses and I was pretty upset about it. But then I found
out, from one of the people on here who never leaves messages, that the
message from here was picked up and reproduced and that a great many
cards arrived at his hospital room because of the message on MAGIC!
There were people from here who never said a word, but who went down
and gave blood for Goshman. There were flowers at Slydini's funeral
because of the message here on MAGIC!
You made some of that happen because you passed the news on to MAGIC!
I wouldn't be surprised that some of those same people were at your
shows, and, like David ("the other one") said, they just didn't choose
to stop by and introduce themselves.
Msg #8996 Dated 0:21:08 07-18-91 8982 <--> 9001
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
T-man:
I'm mostly interested in books on close-up, though the Steinmeyer book
sounds really cool. I've got Road Hustler, but I made the mistake of
opening it up to the footnotes, and got scared. Will reapproach the
book soon.
I'm waiting to hear from someone who's read "Workers 2." Sounds like
it has more effects than the first, of supposed equal quality. Fingers
crossed.
Please feel free to disagree and/or enlighten, but it seems like one
branch of our field that is under-represented with books is mentalism.
Perhaps the successful practioners are more secretive. I've got
Corina and Anneman, and never really felt informed enough to purchase
much beyond that.
Weber's books is great, as we discussed. Harkey's book is strange, as
we discussed. Any idea of what's in the pipeline?
[Msgs. #8997, 8998, and 8999 were private and available to the intended
recipients].
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