MAGIC! - 39
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Msg #9001 Dated 7:26:25 07-18-91 8996 <--> 9003
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
Re: Road Hustler...forget the footnotes, just pick it up and read it.
The best part of the book is the stuff from the REAL road hustler.
David Lichtman picked up WORKERS II so maybe he can let you know
re that one. As far as Mentalism is concerned, it seems like those
in the know are buying up (limited to 250) THE LOST SCRAPBOOKS OF
C.A. GEORGE NEWMAN (avail only from pub at $165). I understand there
are less than 1/3 of them unsold at this point. When it's sold out
I'd imagine the price for a "used" one will be greater than that.
If you're into cards, the Ortiz book on Erdnase is a lot of fun and
also has the text of Erdnase included. I would think that anybody
interested in cards would like this book, plus after a thorough read
the reader can't help but come away much more knowledgable about the
history of card magic through the 20th century.
Msg #9003 Dated 8:30:27 07-18-91 9001 <--> 9013
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
ARGH! (Used with permission of Pete Biro, this is the first ARGH! in
the 9-thousand series of messages for 1991), I was hoping no-one would
remember that I got Workers Number 2 since I didn't have time to do a
review that would do it justice.
It's great!
Msg #9010 Dated 11:21:38 07-18-91 8977 <--> 9023
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHECKING
I think we need to raise the money to get a tape backup system
on line with the MAGIC! computer. What do you think the cost of
having tape - or another hard drive? - and a system added that
does an autocopy of the current messages say once an hour or so?
I am prepared to run another auction, though we'd have to get stuff
sent in here and auction it off. We might have a lot of fun that way
too. Maybe do a percentage thing so guys can "donote" stuff and still
see a little something off it. Dunno? Any thoughts, oh great Sysop?
Msg #9011 Dated 11:21:47 07-18-91 8993 <--> 9012
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: STARS
Something that separates the stars from regular is that the stars
have found that special something in their individual makeup that
makes them unique. This isn't easy to do though to some it comes
very naturally. Each of us have the ability to find that special
something and to bring it to light. Stars are special, but they're
there for us; to enjoy, appreciate and learn from as we choose. Of
course, there are the stars we love to hate too. Guess it takes all
kinds.
Msg #9012 Dated 11:21:55 07-18-91 8993 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: STARS
Hey Max. I wanted to come to your gig, but it was too far and
expensive to come for the night. If you had been working LA when I
was last there, I wooda been in the audience for sure. I appreciated
your letting us know about the LA date. Thanks.
Msg #9013 Dated 11:22:00 07-18-91 8996 <--> 9033
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
I have recently signed onto MAGIC! and find that you are here using
my name again. I have been waiting for the right moment to contact
you and this time you've gone too far. It will be easy to prove
who is the real Tabby Crabb.
Msg #9014 Dated 12:16:52 07-18-91 -> 9021
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: MAGICNL
Re: REIS
Hallo jongens.
Het is me gelukt om hier in te loggen, via zo'n moeilijk MS dos
systeem. Het valt gelukkig mee, omdat de berichten hier tijdelijk
verloren zijn gegaan en ik dus niet zoveel hoef door te lezen, om up to
date te zijn. Ik zal jullie op de hoogte houden van alles wat
interessant is ( en met goochelen te maken heeft, uiteraard.) De reis
hiernaar toe was voorspoedig op een kleine wanklank na in het vliegtuig
waar ik gezeten was naast een moeder met een kotsend kindje. Bah!!!
Het beste en tot ziens!
Msg #9015 Dated 12:21:31 07-18-91 -> 9024
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: ALL
Re: I'M HERE.
Just arrived in San Francisco where I will be for the next three weeks
or so, so I can be on line with you without the usual two or three day
delay. I do have some troubles on the system, because I am not used at
all to MS Dos, I have an Atari computer myself which is more like an
apple in the way it works. Anyhow, I hope to be in contact and hope to
meet a few of you when I visit L.A..I will let you know when that is
exactly.
Msg #9016 Dated 12:36:53 07-18-91 8992 <--> 9018
From: TREVOR GRIFFITHS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: HOUDINI BOOK
Hi David,
About a year ago I saw a similar book for going for $300.
More recently I have heard of a signed "Unmasking" selling for $400.
Your probably safe (investment wise) in the $300 range and
depending on condition and your desire to own a Houdini signature
not being ripped off at $400. Just my opinion. Hope it helps.
I will check some recent(relatively speaking) auction/price records
tonight and see if I can get any further info.
Regards
Trev...
Msg #9018 Dated 13:55:25 07-18-91 9016 <--> 9048
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: TREVOR GRIFFITHS (X)
Re: HOUDINI BOOK
Thanks for the info. They're asking $400, so it sounds like your
information is very accurate.
I'll let you know how it turns out after I see the book.
Thanks,
David
Msg #9019 Dated 14:02:38 07-18-91 -> 9025
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: VIDEO OR ??
MAGIC!-NL Thu 18 Jul 91 22:47
Arnaud van.Rietschoten
.
I am approached by the editor of the dutch Magic Magazine 'Informa-
gie' to write some articles of magic on video.
.
Instead of starting with some plain reviews on what can be seen on
those tapes I rather start with a discussion for what, how and if
magic on video can be used.
.
2 contraversial views:
o Video is the _BEST_ medium to learn magic from, since video is a
visual technique, and magic a visual art.
o Video is _not_ a good medium to learn magic from. You better learn
magic from a book. A written explanation leaves more room for
imagination, while video gives the student a too much directed
view of an effect.
.
I look forward to your thoughts, for what do you use a video tape,
and which tapes do you prefer:
o Performance only tapes (no explanation).
o Only technical matters to be discussed on tape.
o Only effects.
etc, etc.....
Do you have a preference to learn from a book or a tape??
.
My experience:
o I used video a view times as a practicing medium but personally
think the mirror is a better 'sparring partner'. Why? I have a
larger view of myself. I take more time to check various angles.
o Video is most useful to study techniques. Passes, double lifts,
etc...
o Effects usefully take so many steps that you want to want to look
back, stop for a moment. With video the handling of the pause
button does not allow you to gradually go through an effect.
.
Maybe I can invite Max Maven and Michael Ammar to share their thoughs
on why (Michael) and why not (Max) they share their magical ideas on
video with their collegues.
As far as I know Max limited his video appearance to the Mindgame
video what was not an explanational video. Michael, however, _again_
choose for video with his (excellent) 'classic renditions' serie.
.
Your responses are appreciated...
Your responses are appreciated...
Msg #9020 Dated 14:03:04 07-18-91 -> 9028
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
MAGIC!-NL Wed 17 Jul 91 00:47
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
I think that among the really top guys there is far more resperct
for other people's work. It is mostly the guys who miss some
creativity themselves who are the first in line to steal another
man's ideas. Also, if one has ever worked out something oneself, one
will get more respect for those who invent and find new ideas,
because only if you have gone through this process yourself do you
realise how much work it is. To legally protect all your work is a
route which takes so much trouble, which could be better spent. As
far as I see it ,the best way is to treat thieves the wway they
should be treated, with no respect whatsoever.
Kind regards, Tommy..
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #9021 Dated 15:30:06 07-18-91 9014 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: REIS
Tommy, DOS is not so moeilijk once you get used to it.
Msg #9023 Dated 15:34:45 07-18-91 9010 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CHECKING
Gimme a couple of days - I'm trying to figure out the best way.
Meanwhile, the offer is appreciated.
Msg #9024 Dated 15:37:31 07-18-91 9015 <--> 9039
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
Glad to see you got to send an electronic postcard back to MAGIC-NL,
Tommy, and good to see you on MAGIC! Please let us know your L.A.
schedule as soon as you can - lots of the L.A. MAGIC! members would
like to see you, me included!
Msg #9025 Dated 15:31:53 07-18-91 9019 <--> 9026
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
You are correct, I have not made any instructional videos, only
performance. The reason, as I have mentioned before, is that I do not
think the video medium is a good one for most magic teaching. I think
I was one of the first -- or perhaps just one of the loudest -- to
proclaim the opinion you describe as "radical," that the problem with
video is that it is too explicit. My feeling is that when a student
learns magic by video, there is so little requirement on that person's
part in terms of what _they_ put in that the medium pushes the student
into an imitative response.
Also, as I have said before, video is actually an awkward system when
compared to print, because it is not that easy to redefine the pace.
Yes, of course there are rewind, fast-forward, freeze-frame and so on,
but using these mean that you have to break your concentration. In
contrast, your eye can jump all over a printed page with virtually no
effort, pausing here, re-reading there, and so on. (Technically, the
laser disk could provide a closer approximation, but I would still
prefer print.)
Now, this does not mean that I dislike video altogether; far from it.
I think it is a valuable teaching medium for a narrow range of
material: intricate technical information on sleights, for example. But
as you know, the vast majority of conjuring information does not make
use of this.
The greatest value of video, for me, is that it allows for archival
opportunities. As a means of preserving actual performances for future
generations it is a wonderful thing.
But, regarding teaching videos, if you eliminate the ones that are
poorly produced (which is most of them), then the ones which have no
particular advantage over a text version, you're left with a rather
small number.
Msg #9026 Dated 15:41:22 07-18-91 9019 <--> 9178
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
There is a file here on MAGIC!, named VID-NOTE, that is a quite
comprehensive message about the use of video as a medium for making
notes. It was written by Ron Bieber when there was a big discussion on
the use of video in magic here on MAGIC! (The messages themselves may
be on MAGIC-NL). You might want to download it and take a look at it.
Msg #9027 Dated 15:45:09 07-18-91 8987 <--> 9029
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
How do you think Garcia's book "Super Subtle Card Miracles" rates among
your card books? I haven't read it yet but I think Tabby said his copy
was dog-earred from use.
Msg #9028 Dated 15:47:34 07-18-91 9020 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: SAM DAY 1
To: Tommy Wonder c/o MAGIC!-NL "Home of the Wizards"
Fm: Tabman c/o Hotel DeCarlo "Home of the Lizards"
Agreed that the top guys basically have respect for each other and
their respective creations. This is as it should be. I did read a
chilling account of Horace Goldin's work to beat Selbit to the
market place with the Sawing Illusion, but this I think was
market politics. Part of the problem, the way I see it is in that
marketplace. The less than creative, but equally ambitious magicians
and dealers are the ones who raid the material and inventions of the
more singular and imaginative workers. One dealer I got to know
bragged about his higher sales of an effect he had ripped off in
comparison to the original builder/seller. Is this market politics?
Msg #9029 Dated 17:05:18 07-18-91 9027 <--> 9041
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
There are some gems in the Garcia book. Maybe Tabman has a thought or
two - he's known for terse evaluations...
Msg #9030 Dated 17:07:28 07-18-91 -> 9042
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Just got a call from the Wiz of Moscow. He and Olga arrived at LAX
moments ago. Something went out on his laptop, so he may not be able
to check in for a couple of days. He sent regards to everyone on
MAGIC!
Msg #9031 Dated 17:09:18 07-18-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Almost forgot - if you need to reach him over the weekend, the hotel
phone number is (213) 649-5151. He will be out workin' on Friday and
Saturday.
Msg #9033 Dated 17:36:49 07-18-91 9013 <--> 9051
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
Maybe this is the same guy who... nah, never mind.
Msg #9034 Dated 17:48:58 07-18-91 -> 9052
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David Copperfield will be on Inside Edition tonight at 7:00 pm west
coast time.
Msg #9039 Dated 19:21:47 07-18-91 9024 <--> 9050
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
You're here. I just sent you a message to the Netherlands. Where is
here? Los Angeles, I presume. Wish I was out there too. I've promised
myself a trip to the Castle when I catch up on my work. Maybe around
Labor Day (Sept). How long are you in the US?
Msg #9040 Dated 19:21:52 07-18-91 -> 9054
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: TROUBLE NO MORE
Ee;9024
Since I had aired my grief re: Bone Pony and the Louisiana sheriff,
And you listened and gave me words of encouragement, I thought I'd
let you know that the bus and all the gear pulled onto the parking
pad out by the studio at about 4pm EST this afternoon. All charges
dropped. Thanks everybody.
Msg #9041 Dated 19:21:59 07-18-91 9029 <--> 9047
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Stan, I have been (and am) a fan of Garcia's SUPER SUBTLE as well as
MILLION DOLLAR CARD SECRETS. There's a lot of well routined stuff
in both books. The advantage to me at the time I was dogearing my
first copy was that much of the stuff is complete. Super Subtle has
a good section on several double lifts as well as a couple of pretty
good false cuts. I have since learned through constant reading that
all the stuff in Mr. Garcia's books isn't necessarily his own with
some of the text a direct lift from Erdnase. Still, I'd highly
suggest that you find a copy if you can. Go for the spiral binding
if you can find it as it's easy to use. The paper backs fall apart
in your hands after sitting on the shelf for a few years. This is
stuff you can and will do. I just looked and SUPER SUBTLE carries a
hefty footnote/credit section in the book, and he's not the first
or the only to plagerize Erdnase.
Msg #9042 Dated 19:22:12 07-18-91 9030 <--> 9055
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Glad to hear that Pete is stateside. Thanks for the number will maybe
give him a call to say Welcome Home. He's still on the road though
and has a good road burn going I bet. I've got a box of stuff I need
to send out to him in Walnut Creek now that he's close to home.
Msg #9043 Dated 22:30:30 07-18-91 -> 9056
From: MICHAEL CLOSE
To: ALL
Re: Y
HI, THIS IS MICHAEL CLOSE. I HEAR FROM TABBY CRAB THAT THERE HAS BEEN
SOME COMMENT GOING BACK AND FORTH CONCERNING WORKERS #2. WORKERS #2 IS
AVAILABLE NOW. IF YOU ORDER IT FROM ME IT IS $20 PLUS $2 FOR POSTAGE
AND HANDLING. SOME DEALERS WILL HAVE IT FAIRLY SOON. DAN GARRETT HAS
SOME COPIES. MY ADDRESS IS 11320 HAVERSTICK ROAD, CARMEL,
46032. I GOT SOME GARBAGE IN THERE. IT SHOULD BE CARMEL, IN, 46032. I
WILL TRY TO LOG ON TO THE BOARD A LITTLE MORE OFTEN , IF THERE ARE
QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE MATERIAL IN EITHER VOLUME 1 OR 2. VOLUME ONE
IS STILL AVAILABLE. ONLY ABOUT 100 COPIES LEFT. SAME PRICE AS #2. THIS
IS THE END OF THE AD.
Msg #9045 Dated 22:45:47 07-18-91 -> 9057
From: MICHAEL CLOSE
To: ALL
Re: CONTESTS
HOWDY, THIS IS MICHAEL CLOSE. I AM PREPARING AN ARTICLE TO SEND TO THE
LINKING RING MAGAZINE CONCERNING THE NATURE OF THE CLOSE UP CONTESTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO UPLOAD THIS ARTICLE AND GET FEED BACK FROM ALL OF YOU
BEFORE I DROP THIS BOMB ON HOWARD BAMMAN. LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS ANY
INTEREST CONCERNING THIS. OTHERWISE I WILL JUST PULL THE PIN AND LET
THE BODIES DROP WHERE THEY MAY. I AM SORT OF FED UP WITH THE PRESENT
SITUATION OF CLOSE UP CONTESTS, AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE GOLD CUP
CALIBER MATERIAL... BUT THEN AGAIN, I MAY JUST BE CROTCHETY. GIVE ME
SOME IMPUT ON THIS. BY THE WAY, HI TO MAX AND TO BIRO. ARE YOU BACK
HOME PETE? IF SO, I'LL SEND YOU YOUR STUFF. THAT'S ALL FOLKS.
Msg #9047 Dated 23:20:24 07-18-91 9041 <--> 9071
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
The footnotes in the second volume, which cover material in both books,
was added because he got so much flak on the first book...
Msg #9048 Dated 23:33:31 07-18-91 8992 <--> 9059
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: HOUDINI BOOK
Autographed copies have sold for $500 and up.
Msg #9050 Dated 23:55:38 07-18-91 9015 <--> 9060
From: T A WATERS
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
Tommy, I feel sure there must be someone nearby who can give you a
little help with the computer.
Msg #9051 Dated 23:58:50 07-18-91 9013 <--> 9072
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
To the first Tabby Crabb who logs on after this message...
There is an easy way to get rig of the other Tabby Crabb -- change your
password!
Msg #9052 Dated 23:59:53 07-18-91 9034 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Thanks! Had I known a couple of minutes sooner, I could have taken a
television with me to the Hollywood Bowl.
Msg #9054 Dated 0:01:39 07-19-91 9040 <--> 9061
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TROUBLE NO MORE
Hey! Hey! Congratulations! But have you thought of adding the Sheriff
to the group? "Bone Pony and the Louisiana Sheriff" is a catchy name.
Msg #9055 Dated 0:03:53 07-19-91 9042 <--> 9075
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Yeah, apparently he's working in L.A. this weekend. I'm hoping to see
him.
Msg #9056 Dated 0:04:54 07-19-91 9043 <--> 9070
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: Y
Both the "ad" and you are welcome here on MAGIC! Workers #1 and
Workers #2 are both great!
Msg #9057 Dated 0:06:58 07-19-91 9045 <--> 9177
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Feel free to upload the article, Michael. Depending on folks moods you
may or may not get feedback, but I sorta bet that you will.
Msg #9059 Dated 0:39:37 07-19-91 9048 <--> 9064
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: HOUDINI BOOK
Thanks, Manny. It makes me feel better about his asking price of $400.
I just hope it's still available as it seems I'm not the only one that
knows about it.
Thanks again,
David (the other one)
Msg #9060 Dated 0:43:41 07-19-91 9024 <--> 9067
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
Could it be time for another luncheon ??
Msg #9061 Dated 0:43:44 07-19-91 9040 <--> 9074
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TROUBLE NO MORE
Hoooraaaay - justice prevails !
.
The Book 'Fools of Fortune' finally made it, will UPS it out today.
.
I just have to share the front page.
.
. Fools of Fortune
. or
. Gambling and Gamblers
.
. Comprehending
.
. A history of the vice in ancient and modern times and in both
. hemisperes; an exposition of its alarming prevalence and destructive
. effects; with an unreserved and exhaustive disclosure of such
. frauds, tricks, and devices as are practiced by "Professional"
. gamblers,"Confidence Men", and "Bunko Steerers".
.
. by
.
. John Phillip Quinn,
.
. who modestly, yet with sincerity, tenders to the world what he
. hopes may extenuate his twenty-five years of gaming and systematic
. deception of his fellow men.
.
. Copyright 1891
.
Hope you enjoy - Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #9062 Dated 3:01:22 07-19-91 -> 9068
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: TOMMY [DOS] WONDER
MAGIC!-NL Thu 18 Jul 91 23:14
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
On behalf of the complete dutch magiciians computer society let me
excuse on beforehand for Tommy Wonder's negative view on MS-DOS
systems.
The poor guy has started an ATARI promotion on its own here in the
dutch Magic Kingdom. May the MS-DOS power, and Father Gates, be with
you to clean his soul.....
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #9064 Dated 2:59:51 07-19-91 9059 <-
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: HOUDINI BOOK
Let me know who it is autographed to. The person may turn out be be
more important then you think.
Msg #9066 Dated 6:20:35 07-19-91 -> 9080
From: RICK RUHL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GOT IT
Got the package my friend. I'll head out tommorow and pass the flyers
to the shops in Atlanya.
Ricker
Msg #9067 Dated 7:23:18 07-19-91 9060 <--> 9082
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
Indeed, if TOMMY WONDER lets us know when he will be in Los Angeles,
and if he would like to eat lunch on a Friday at the Castle, then a
MAGIC! luncheon would be very appropriate.
Msg #9068 Dated 7:28:06 07-19-91 9062 <--> 9086
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: TOMMY [DOS] WONDER
Don't worry too much about it, Arnaud. The Dutch have always been
known for their lack of reverence for tradition. If your countrymen
(and countrywomen) had all been "me too" people, the World would not
have as much great art, great culture, great cheese, and big oil
companies as it does. There would be less great magic in the World,
there would only be one MAGIC!, and the Netherlands would be a smaller
country.
If Tommy gives us a chance, however, we will probably be able to
convert him to the one TRUE FAITH -- AMIGA.
Msg #9070 Dated 8:18:35 07-19-91 9043 <--> 9076
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: Y
Hi Michael,
Next time, try turning your CAPS KEY OFF...IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE
SHOUTING. Enjoyed talking with you the other day and will see you
next Janurary if not before.
Msg #9071 Dated 8:18:41 07-19-91 9047 <--> 9109
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
At the time I was using the two mentioned FG books, I wasn't that
aware of originations, however ten years of being off the road has
given me the time to devote to studying and my awareness has
greatly increased. Didn't know the why of the footnote section in
Super Subtle, but am glad to know.
Msg #9072 Dated 8:18:47 07-19-91 9051 <--> 9093
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
What other Tabby Crabb?
Msg #9074 Dated 8:18:53 07-19-91 9054 <--> 9077
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TROUBLE NO MORE
At some expenditure of time and money, I have assembled much negative
data on the boys of Calcasieu Parrish and will be dispensing it to
tabloid tv now that the stuff is ack here. If the sheriff were added
to the group, I don't think he'd last too long as he plays from a
different sheet of music, besides his hair isn't long enuff.
Msg #9075 Dated 8:18:59 07-19-91 9055 <--> 9096
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
I would imagine that Pete will make the Castle while he's in town.
Am sure Olga would like to see it too.
Msg #9076 Dated 8:19:03 07-19-91 9056 <--> 9092
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: Y
Michael Close has just been added to the Saturday lineup for the
Music City Conclave. Mike has helped me define my goals for the
conclave which I hope will be a great teaching and learning weekend.
I want to do my part in advancing the art of the magic lecture and
am very proud of the great magician/thinker/teachers who have agreed
to be at the first one.
Msg #9077 Dated 8:19:10 07-19-91 9061 <--> 9095
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TROUBLE NO MORE
Many thanks for thinking of me, Jerry. I'm looking 4ward to getting
the book.
Msg #9080 Dated 8:19:28 07-19-91 9066 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICK RUHL
Re: GOT IT
Thanks for your help. I'd like to see a good group come up from
Hotlana to participate. Did you ever get a chance to finish that
suspension you were working on? If you did, I'd love to see some
photos when you get a minute - I know you're working 18 hour days
right now.....
Msg #9082 Dated 11:32:49 07-19-91 9039 <--> 9083
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
I'm here, means for me that I am in the states. Actually I am in San
Francisco for three weeks and after that I will spend some time in L.A.
But I can still receive the messages, even if they are send to Holland.
Msg #9083 Dated 11:34:45 07-19-91 9050 <--> 9084
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
You are quite right.
Msg #9084 Dated 11:35:32 07-19-91 9067 <--> 9089
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
As things are planned so far I will arrive in L.A. Saturday 10 august
and leave tuesday 13 august. So ther is probably no friday possibility.
Can we have a lunch on saturday?
Msg #9086 Dated 11:46:32 07-19-91 9062 <--> 9131
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: TOMMY [DOS] WONDER
I love MS DOS !!!!!!! Only wish how to find my way around this computer
to find the capture file. Hope I will be able to view it through some
kind of strange program. Do not know the many arcane commands yet, but
believe me, I love it!
Msg #9088 Dated 13:44:34 07-19-91 -> 9090
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: ALL
Re: CHICAGO
While in Chicago this past week I spent a fun evening at
Schulien's Restaurant & Saloon, located at 2100 W. Irving.
The Schulien family has been in the restaurant business through four
generations and since 1915, have presented
Magicians who perform at the table, after Dinner.
Wednesday evening I met grandson Bobby who does cards, and enjoyed a
routine by Al James. Al did some unique things
such as producing sponge balls from a guests tie, with an
ice pick....then moving on with chop cup with sponges to
baseballs. A nice effect with folded dinner napkin which
appeared to contain a solid object within, but when unfolded
was found to be empty. The food was excellent and reasonably
priced. Chatted briefly with Eugene Burger who showed up
with some friends. If your in Chicago, don't miss it!
Msg #9089 Dated 13:58:25 07-19-91 9082 <--> 9097
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
I guess the important thing is that YOU know where you are and to
heck with everybody else.
Msg #9090 Dated 13:58:29 07-19-91 9088 <--> 9098
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: CHICAGO
That's one spot I've heard so much about and never had a chance to
be in Chicago since 1981 for Chicagofest. At that time we were kept
on a tight leash and wern't to get out of radio range. Thanks for
the words, hope to get up there for dinner sometime.
Msg #9092 Dated 15:38:12 07-19-91 9076 <--> 9101
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: Y
I think it is beginning to look like the Music City Conclave is going
to be a knockout.
Msg #9093 Dated 15:40:26 07-19-91 9072 <--> 9132
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
Take a look at message 9013. Personally I don't know why the other one
told anyone he was here.
Msg #9095 Dated 15:42:31 07-19-91 9074 <--> 9130
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TROUBLE NO MORE
Hey, I'm just glad you got the boys, the coach, and the gear back.
Maybe just send the sherrif a couple of Bone Pony T-shirts.
Msg #9096 Dated 15:43:48 07-19-91 9075 <--> 9103
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Tried calling Pete's hotel, but he was out and I could never get back
to the operator to leave a message. I think he's working tonite and
tomorrow night, so I don't know what his Castle plans are. Will try to
call him again later.
Msg #9097 Dated 15:48:14 07-19-91 9084 <--> 9107
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
WE can definitely have lunch that Saturday (the heck with the other
folks!), but the Castle only has lunch on Friday and a Breakfast/Lunch
on Sunday. Actually, I'm sure we could get a MAGIC! group together ANY
day to have lunch with you - just let us know what is best for your
schedule.
Msg #9098 Dated 15:51:15 07-19-91 9090 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: CHICAGO
Thanks for the info, Bruce. Sounds like you had a good time in
Chicago.
Msg #9101 Dated 17:17:08 07-19-91 9092 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: Y
Thanks. My goal is to have a first class teaching/hanging out kind
of convention.
Msg #9103 Dated 17:17:15 07-19-91 9096 <--> 9106
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Well, if you get up with him, be sure that you give him regards from
Coathanger.
Msg #9106 Dated 17:26:20 07-19-91 9103 <--> 9110
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
OK, thanks for passing Coathanger's regards on. Will try to get 'em to
Pete.
Msg #9107 Dated 17:47:39 07-19-91 9097 <--> 9129
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
I'll keep you informed!
Msg #9109 Dated 17:50:37 07-19-91 9041 <--> 9112
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Thanks for the review and I will pick up copies of both books as soon
as I find them. I'm not so sure why I am in a hurry to add to my book-
shelf as I have many great books I have yet to get to. I guess it's
nice to have them although it would be better to have read them and
best yet to understand and be able to do the stuff!
Along with my magic books and monthly periodicals I recently purchased
around a 100 or so back issues of MUM and Genii's. I keep the stack
next to my bed and pururse them at length placing the read ones into
another pile next to the unread ones. They range from the mid to late
70's and there's lots of great articles and stuff. 'Course that's
probably true of any time period. It's interesting to see what new
things that came out then are still around today. Lots of magic comes
and goes like a clothing or a fad. Some of the prices make me laugh
but a dollar was worth a lot more back then. Geez- I'd better stop
rambling and read the rest of todays messages!
Msg #9110 Dated 18:04:53 07-19-91 9055 <--> 9117
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
If you find out where Pete is working please post it as I would like to
see him also. Thanks.
Msg #9112 Dated 18:24:24 07-19-91 8984 <--> 9114
From: RANDY LUND
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
True...but thats where I got the idea!
Msg #9113 Dated 18:29:26 07-19-91 8989 <--> 9118
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Thanks for the reply, as you can probably guess from the messages I
type in directly spelling is not my best area. I even misspell my own
name on occasion. I'll incorporate your ideas into my text and mail
you a copy of the flyer before the convention so you can see it fully
prepared. reading my totally unformatted text can be a problem too.
.
Randy
Msg #9114 Dated 18:42:30 07-19-91 9112 <--> 9121
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Crediting your inspiration is laudable, but best stated as such. Your
wording was, "A Michael Ammar idea," which would come as a surprise to
those who've used the idea going at least as far back as the 1930s.
Msg #9115 Dated 18:48:22 07-19-91 -> 9122
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: ALL
Re: BOSTON
I will be in Boston Monday through Wednesday, July 22-24, this next
week. Any suggestions for Magic in Boston?
Msg #9116 Dated 18:49:14 07-19-91
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: TOPIT
Enjoyed meeting you and Hannah in Las Vegas at the recent S.A.M. I
did'nt run out on you that last night, but rather noticed you were
swamped and decieded to work on the effect I mentioned I was having
trouble with, solo. At your lecture, there was a gentleman attending
who you recommended as an expert in adding a topit. I believe he
resides in San Diego, which is very convenient. Could you please
provide his name and number? Trust you recovered from FISM.
Msg #9117 Dated 19:59:13 07-19-91 9110 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Pete isn't magishing this weekend - if he was doing that, we'd have
announcements all over the board! If you want to try and call him,
he's at the Holiday Inn at LAX (213) 649-5151.
Msg #9118 Dated 20:02:59 07-19-91 9113 <--> 9149
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Who reads it unformatted? I run it thru a Covox unit and listen to the
MAGIC! messages. I'm used to unformatted text - it's how I write.
Will look forward to the flyer. If you need any additional info, just
let me know.
Msg #9121 Dated 20:21:55 07-19-91 9109 <--> 9143
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
If you want to choke over prices, take a look at magazines from
half a century back. In a 1938 issue of Sphinx Leo. Rullman adv
a copy of the book David Vanvranken is willing to pay four hun for
for only $3 complete with HH autograph. Oh to have a time machine.
I do seem to get a lot of books, but I do manage to find time to read
daily. I try to be discerning about what I buy though so that my
family can turn them for a nice payoff after I'm gone. Am searching
currently for Floyd Thayer catalogs #s 1 and 2 as well as his
Magical Bulletins.
Msg #9122 Dated 20:22:04 07-19-91 9115 <--> 9124
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BOSTON
If push comes to shove, why not call Hank Lee at HL Magic Factory
Lincoln St., Boston. Maybe he could help out. You can always tell
him that I suggested your call.
Msg #9124 Dated 21:09:55 07-19-91 9115 <--> 9126
From: JIM SISTI
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BOSTON
Bruce...
I'll be in Boston on Monday, July 22nd myself (along with Tim Wenk, c
creator of "Misled"). We'll be hitting Hank Lee's and Marvello's. If
you can give me an approximate time you'll be around, perhaps we
could hook up at Hank's.
Msg #9126 Dated 22:05:31 07-19-91 9124 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: BOSTON
Yee-gads! The first MAGIC! luncheon in Boston!
Msg #9129 Dated 22:19:08 07-19-91 9107 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: I'M HERE.
We could always do dinner at the castle or maybe even go up the hill
to Yamashiros (?) it's a great view and then down the hill for a
night of magic.
Msg #9130 Dated 22:19:13 07-19-91 9095 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TROUBLE NO MORE
Have 'em autographed by the band with a roach in the pocket. I mean a
'real' roach wrapped in a zig-zag, should make his day.
Msg #9131 Dated 22:19:16 07-19-91 9062 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: TOMMY [DOS] WONDER
Actually Arnaud, Father Gates must pray to a different diety than mos
t his systems are full of dameons and kami.
Msg #9132 Dated 22:19:20 07-19-91 9072 <--> 9145
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
Jeez, when I talked to Harry B in Baltimore he said he was using a
pseudonym on the board, but I didn't think he would pick Tabby Crabb.
Msg #9133 Dated 23:06:29 07-19-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Just got off the voice phone with the Biro-man. He is still having
computer problems - possibly a fuse in the power supply. He hopes to
have it fixed over the weekend. Sure will be good to have him back
on-line.
Msg #9137 Dated 9:25:51 07-20-91 -> 9142
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: BOSTON
Thanks for the reply. I arrive at Logan on AA at 5:41PM, and will be
checking in to the Marriott, Long Wharf, downtown. Would enjoy breaking
some bread and meeting you and Tim that evening. I leave tomorrow noon
for Dallas, so leave a message on the board, or I will look for one at
the Hotel.
Msg #9142 Dated 14:36:17 07-20-91 9137 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BOSTON
Bruce,
able to stay through the evening as Tim has to get back. Sorry we'll
miss you.
Msg #9143 Dated 14:54:39 07-20-91 9041 <--> 9146
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Yeah, the Garcia books fall apart! I'm glad it's not just me.
Returned one of them to Tannen's as a kid just just this reason, to
find the new one fell apart just as fast. Unfortunately, the spiral
bindings were, I think, the first edition or something, and VERY
difficult to find.
A year or so ago I was curious, so tracked down Garcia's other card
books (I think there were two of them), as well as his close-up
magic book (volumes one and two, I think), and was completely confused
-- the quality level was so different it was like a different man wrote
them. Perhaps he unloaded his best stuff early on. Do you share this
observation, or have you heard anything to this effect?
Glad you got your stuff back. Because of threats, or because of the
machinations of the law?
Msg #9145 Dated 15:08:25 07-20-91 9072 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
I think all this talk of doubles is absurd. There was even, I heard,
talk of another Evan Katz impersonating me on this board in the last
six months, while I was vacationing in Hawaii. If you are ever in any
doubt, you can detect the presence of the REAL me by the tone of my
writings -- among my friends I am famous for sober,
non-confrontational statements and thinking.
Msg #9146 Dated 15:34:59 07-20-91 9143 <--> 9147
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
The quality of the books FG did with Geo. Schindler were quite
different from the ones later on. The spiral can be found sometime
on used book lists. I'm still looking for a replacement spiral Super
Subtle. The paperbacks used somekind of crappy glue I guess since
the one that bit it the other night was new, just sitting on the
shelf for a few years.
Getting the stuff back was just part of their scam. I think they
must do this "buy out" biz alla time. There's more, but watch for
it on Hard Copy.
Msg #9147 Dated 16:01:44 07-20-91 9121 <--> 9148
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
That's great that you have time to read everyday. Sometimes I think
about what would be an ideal job to have that would enable me to read
as much as I want. Being a librarian would seem to be an obvious
choice but in reality they keep pretty busy. I've thought about being
a forest ranger sitting up in a look out post. Occasionally glancing
up from my studies to scan the horizon for wisps of smoke. I almost
took a job working for a private contractor in military intelligence up
in Shemya Alaska (on the tip of the Aleutian chain) Not a lot to
distract me up there! Now that I'm married my wife might frown a bit
on me taking a job which is akin to paid solitary confinement. Well I
guesthere's always the Lotto!
Msg #9148 Dated 17:14:09 07-20-91 9143 <--> 9151
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
The variance in quality of material has to do with the fact that almost
none of it is actually his.
Msg #9149 Dated 18:06:40 07-20-91 9118 <--> 9150
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Re the flyer, good news and bad. If I can get 1000 flyers down to
Colon real soon they will put our flyer in the packet they hand out
with registrations. To do this I have to really get hopping getting it
together so rather than send you a printed copy as I intended I am
going to append it to this message. The bad news is it is not only
"unformatted" for reading it is formatted for Ventura Publisher which
should give your COVOX unit a challenge. Just ignore all the funny
looking stuff. I'll put the final copy to bed tues nite and make
copies Wed/Thu/Fri to get it down to Abbotts next Sat.
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Msg #9150 Dated 18:14:05 07-20-91 9149 <--> 9156
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
OOps, seems the second page did not send well, probably a blank line,
I pretty much copied the tech stuff from what you sent me before with
the parenthetical about only serious magi need apply.
.
Look forward to hearing from you
.
Randy
Msg #9151 Dated 18:18:17 07-20-91 9147 <--> 9152
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I get up early and read before beginning my tasks and then usually
from around 10pm to midnight also. I've had some different jobs
all while I worked at the music game: jr high teacher, college
teacher, tug boat deckhand, carpenter, computer programmer, carnival
driver before I got a gig in a big show. The road life convinced
me that home is better, though I still like to get out every once
in a while. Just keep on reading and thinking about what you read.
You can find hidden wisdom in some of those magic books if you just
read between the lines. I believe that some of the finest minds on
the planet were/are into magic.
Msg #9152 Dated 18:18:20 07-20-91 9114 <--> 9153
From: RANDY LUND
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Max, you can be a real pain. If I have to finely hone and word smith
each phrase of something I want to upload to pass your finely honed and
sensitive filter I doubt I'll bother any more!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
Randy
Msg #9153 Dated 19:08:36 07-20-91 9152 <--> 9154
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
In what way is the simple act of stating something clearly "finely
honing" something? At no point have I suggested that you ought to
polish your writing style; it simply seems to me that one ought to
state things clearly. You didn't; hence, my comment.
Msg #9154 Dated 19:26:44 07-20-91 9152 <--> 9155
From: T A WATERS
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I didn't feel that Maven was commenting on your writing style, but
rather the content. When you say something is "a Michael Ammar idea"
that is very different from saying that you first heard about it from
that source -- and since a lot of discussion on this board in recent
weeks has been about creators and credit and such, it seems to me that
this is an important distinction.
It should also be noted that a lot of current writers -- having
thought up something, and being largely ignorant of what's gone before
-- will claim very old ideas as their own. I have re-invented items
more than once -- but generally I have been very cautious about
claiming anything until I've run the idea by a few knowledgeable
people.
I don't think you should construe what Maven said as any kind of
attack on you. It is just that in the "compressed conversational" mode
that is BBSing, clarity is perhaps more important than it would be in
other forms.
Msg #9155 Dated 19:49:51 07-20-91 9154 <--> 9158
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Having a chance to get feedback from guys like Maven, Waters, Biro,
Ammar, etc is one of the beautiful things about the bbs. Part of
the learning process is learning how to phrase our conceptions
so that they'll be acceptable to the community at large. If you'll
go back a year or so and read the stuff directed to me after putting
an effect up that was similar to several who had gone before me you
can see that perhaps I have some idea how you feel, but be thankful
that these guys care enuff about magic, MAGIC!, and you and me and
the others who haunt this system. What they did for me was to make
me very sensitive to the work of others and the influences of others.
It has been said that magic is the second oldest profession. We have
a legacy to live up to (if you look at it that way). I know how you f
eel right now, but go with the flow. We are standing at the threshold
of a new reality.
Msg #9156 Dated 20:12:27 07-20-91 9150 <--> 9190
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Randy -
It looks GREAT! (Fortunately, I can read Ventura). SUPER JOB! And I
think it is terrific that you are going to get 1,000 of 'em to Abbott's
in time to get in the registrations package (did you tell 'em that
their address is on here about 900 times?). Let us know how it goes -
we will definitely be looking forward to your live Abbott's coverage;
assuming, of course, that they have phones in Colon.
Msg #9157 Dated 20:20:26 07-20-9
Fom BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: BOSTON
Jim:
Thanks for the message. Sorry you and Tim can't stay for the evening.
If something comes up where you might change your plans and stay for
Dinner, leave a message at the Marriott,
Long Wharf. Later.....
Msg #9159 Dated 22:13:00 07-20-91 -> 9183
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES
Jerry Mentzer's book, Counts, Cuts, Moves and Subtlety (Greenville:
South Carolina, 1977) is now in its tenth printing. This is a very
nice little book for learning and practicing basic moves such as the
Double Undercut, the Hamman Count, Elmsley Count, Jordan Count, Olram
Subtlety, Ascanio Spread, the Haback Count (by a gentleman named Phil
Goldstein), and more.
There are no tricks in this 73-page, 5-1/2" x 8-1/2" book, only the
various moves, described in text and accompanied by photographs. While
I am more often a fan of drawings than photographs in magic books, I
would say that these are particularly clear and well done.
The relatively small size of the book makes it handy for carrying
around for those boring moments in airports, bus stations, coffee
shops, magic lectures, and other places where one has time on one's
hands.
The book is not listed in the latest (91-2) catalog that I have from
Magic Methods (Jerry's company), but the book should be available from
him for around $7.95 plus postage (a guess on my part - check with him
before sending any money). Magic Methods address is P. O. Box 4105,
Greenville, SC 29608.
Msg #9163 Dated 0:24:57 07-21-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES #38
The thirty-eighth set of MAGIC! messages - #8500 (July 11, 1991)
to #8999 (July 18, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-38.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the thirty-
eighth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-38.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #9164 Dated 0:26:01 07-21-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: UNREAD MESSAGES
I have just posted MAGIC-38.TXT and MAGIC-38.ZIP. This is the first
of the "lost files" to be recovered. That these messages have been
recovered is a tribute to the help I received from JERRY BURTON,
DAVID LUTHER and TABBY CRABB. I believe that all but two of the
public messages appear in the file.
I have chosen to post this file first, out of sequence (Magic 35
thru MAGIC-37 will be posted later) because THERE ARE MESSAGES IN
THIS FILE THAT MAY NOT HAVE YET BEEN READ BY THE INTENDED
RECIPIENTS.
I WOULD PARTICULARLY URGE ALL OF THOSE WHO REGULARLY HAVE MESSAGES
ADDRESSED TO THEM TO DOWNLOAD THIS FILE AND TO LOOK THROUGH IT FOR
UNREAD PUBLIC MAIL ADDRESSED TO THEM. You can use RDMAGIC or a
standard word processor to search for your name if you do not wish
to read the entire file. If you do choose to respond to any unread
messages, it would be best to include the message number, the topic
and a brief synopsis of the message in your reply since these
messages are no longer available in the active message base.
There is one "downside" to the recovery process - private messages
that may have been unread after message number 8023, around July
7th, will not be restorable. If you sent someone a private message
between July 7th and July 17th and have never received a reply, you
may wish to resend that private mail.
Msg #9165 Dated 1:39:17 07-21-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES #37
The thirty-seventh set of MAGIC! messages - #8000 (July 3, 1991)
to #8499 (July 11, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-37.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file aea, download this file, and read the thirty-
seventh volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-37.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
I have chosen to post this file out of sequence (MAGIC 38 has
already been posted, MAGIC-35 and MAGIC-36 will be posted later)
because THERE MAY BE MESSAGES IN THIS FILE THAT MAY NOT HAVE YET
BEEN READ BY THE INTENDED RECIPIENTS. Since this file was created
while the message base it covers was "live," some messages may show
that they have not been read yet by the intended recipient when, in
fact, they were read later.
Special thanks to JERRY BURTON for major help in the creation of
this file. While there may be small gaps in presenting the complete
file, without his assistance the reconstruction of this file would
have been considerably more difficult, if not impossible.
Msg #9168 Dated 1:43:41 07-21-91 9148 <--> 9182
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
So you're saying in the early books Frank simply stole more
effectively?
Msg #9172 Dated 3:40:07 07-21-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES #36
The thirty-sixth set of MAGIC! messages - #7500 (June 24, 1991)
to #7999 (July 2, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-36.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the thirty-
sixth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-36.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
This file was created from our own reference media. The public
messages should be intact and complete.
Msg #9173 Dated 5:01:25 07-21-91 -> 9234
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: DOS
From : Arnoud Van Delden
To : Magic-Us
Subject : Hello to tommy
.
Hello from Co-Sysop of MAGIC!-NL.... The other Arnoud.
.
Hey Tommy, best wishes from our small country overhere. Please
don't let the negative talk about the best human interfacing
system ever invented (the window system used in the Apple and
our Atari computers) hurt you! People that still like to watch
a blinking cursor on a downright primitive MS-DOS system just
may need some more time to learn the possibilities of the
Motorola 68000 series microprocessors and object oriented
thinking (the way we're going in Information Technology). Best
thing for them to do is buy a package of 'Smalltalk' and work
with an imitation window oriented desktop and discover the
strength of merely touching what you want to get things going.
.
See you soon! Arnoud.....
.
Msg #9175 Dated 10:15:58 07-21-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: CONRAD HADEN
Would anyone happen to know how I can get in touch with Conrad Haden?
I think he's still kicking and living in Florida.
Msg #9177 Dated 10:55:56 07-21-91 9045 <-
From: SCOTT WELLS
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Michael, I am looking forward to reviewing your comments before you go
to press in The Linking Ring. I have served as a contest judge in the
IBM close-up contests for the last five years or so and I would invite
any comments, suggestions, criticism, or compliments that you or anyone
would have in the judging process insofar as my judging capabilities or
credentials are concerned or in the judging process that we went
through when determining winners.
On another note, you might consider sending a copy of your "bomb" to
Jerry Schnepp before mailing it to Howard Bamman since Jerry has served
as contest chairman for several years plus I don't think that he is
registered on MAGIC!
It was good talking with you in Baltimore and I look forward to
spending more time with you in the future and to writing to you here on
MAGIC!
Msg #9178 Dated 10:53:28 07-21-91 9019 <--> 9179
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
This is my first message so you don't know me (I've been lurking around
here for a couple of months) I just returned from Eindhove in your
country (a Philips town, you know).
I prefer books to videotape for most "teaching" functions. When I am
learning a new effect (I like closeup and parlor) I perfer to read the
entire description and study the photos or line drawings, then go back
and go through the process step by step at my own speed. I find
videotape to be too distracting (production values and "Oh, now why did
the old darling choose that angle").
A good example is Michael Ammar's "Crazyman's Handcuffs" document. I
learned very
Msg #9179 Dated 11:14:16 07-21-91 9178 <--> 9180
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
Oops. I am still getting the hang of this, pardon me (BTW, how do you
guys get the spaces between paragraphs). I am using a Mac SE/30 and
White Knight.
What I ment to say was: A good example of clear writing and good
line drawings is Michael Ammar's text titled, "Crazyman's Handcuffs".
I learned very easily from this document.
There.
.Philip Hopbell.
Msg #9180 Dated 12:28:53 07-21-91 9178 <--> 9184
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
I doubt that the video will usurp the book for instructional use.
I see video more as a supplement to the printed page. To me, video
response is too slow to be of initial study value (rewind, fast fwd)
though for an overview it is terrific. CD ROM in a few years will
edge it's way into the video and book markets as mechanical costs
come down and potential users go up. Books are less complicated
to use and very user friendly (assuming one can read and comprehend)
plus a good book simply feels good and smells good. There is one
artist/teacher who is coming out with excellent stuff but I haven't
seen everything yet, though I seem to fall asleep during most video
viewings.
Msg #9183 Dated 13:15:59 07-21-91 9159 <--> 9186
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES
The Mentzer book is a very useful little tome; I recommend it more than
once in my encyclopedia.
Msg #9184 Dated 13:19:33 07-21-91 9180 <--> 9185
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
When you combine the CD possibilities with voice-command software --
by running the video through the computer and using something like
VoiceMaster -- then you'll really have a useful learning device.
Msg #9185 Dated 13:48:56 07-21-91 9184 <--> 9192
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
Are you running VoiceMaster too? Nice to be able to talk to your
computer and have it be able to talk back!
Msg #9186 Dated 13:49:44 07-21-91 9183 <--> 9231
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES
Your Encyclopedia is also a very useful tome!
Msg #9188 Dated 13:53:24 07-21-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES #35
The thirty-fifth set of MAGIC! messages - #7000 (June 18, 1991)
to #7499 (June 24, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-35.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the thirty-
fifth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-35.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
This file was created from our own reference media. The public
messages should be intact and complete.
Msg #9189 Dated 13:54:00 07-21-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CONV-91 FILE
== CONVENTION COVERAGE VIA MAGIC!(tm) - 1991 - PCAM/IBM/SAM/FISM ==
Between June 19th and July 13th, 1991, MAGIC! and MAGIC-NL members
provided each other with "live" coverage of four major conventions
around the World:
PACIFIC COAST ASSOCIATION OF MAGICIANS, CONCORD, CALIFORNIA
INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAGICIANS, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND
SOCIETY OF AMERICAN MAGICIANS, LAS VEGAS, NEVADA
F.I.S.M., LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND
Using portable computers, members roamed the conventions and filed
their reports on MAGIC! Reports were routinely transferred between
MAGIC! in the U.S. and MAGIC-NL in the Netherlands, linking
magicians all over the World to convention happenings. Members were
also able to send messages to convention attendees and receive
replies. The major convention reports and messages have now been
placed in a file - CONV-91.TXT - which can be downloaded from the
MAGIC! files area. For those who know how to use the PKUNZIP
system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed version of
this same file. It is called CONV-91.ZIP and is less than 1/2 the
size of the full-text version.
The "real-time" coverage of four major conventions provided by
MAGIC! and MAGIC-NL was unprecedented in magic history.
Msg #9190 Dated 14:57:51 07-21-91 9156 <--> 9193
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Yes, they do know their address is on here many times, in fact we have
joked about it on several occasions. As to phones in Colon, I don't
really know, but I will be home every evening after the show so I'll
u[load my comments then. The string in Colon probably does't carry
data anyway.
.
Randy
Msg #9192 Dated 15:10:23 07-21-91 9184 <--> 9216
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
I would imagine by this time next decade that the technology will
be available for me (assuming I'm still kicking, of course) to
transfer my entire library to CD ROM. Ideas that now take days
or weeks to track down would take only hours. Using a hypertext
search function hundreds, if not thousands of volumes could be
accessed in minutes. Viva technology.
Msg #9193 Dated 15:35:35 07-21-91 9190 <--> 9315
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
I'm looking forward to your Abbott's coverage. Actually, strings may
have been the first binary data carriers - there are stories that the
Myans and some pre-Indian tribes sent messages by placing knots on
ropes using an approximation of the binary system. These knotted ropes
have proved very difficult for modern translation, but some scholars
believe that one of them contains the message "Colon 49040."
Msg #9194 Dated 17:30:55 07-21-91 -> 9316
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTT'S
If you get a chance to meet Dave Madden, tell him
that while he's been in Colon, Wayne Powers got his Denny's account!
'Wayne.
Msg #9196 Dated 19:44:45 07-21-91 -> 9202
From: PETE PERATA
To: ALL
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
I was interested in purchacing Weber's book "Life Savers". I was
wondering if any of you prestidigitators out there own, practice tricks
from, or have read it, and could give me some suggestions on weather I
should buy it or not. Thanx.
Pete Perata
Msg #9199 Dated 20:14:39 07-21-91 -> 9201
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: CONV_91
Just checked out the Conv-91 file and you did good putting it all
together like that. That was some great convention coverage by ALL
concerned. Thanx....
Msg #9201 Dated 20:42:26 07-21-91 9199 <--> 9208
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONV_91
I see I have missed all the messages from FISM, but thank god you have
created CONV-91.ZIP Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Here I go....
Msg #9202 Dated 20:43:12 07-21-91 9196 <--> 9217
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
Weber's books, material and ideas are top guns. Period. Read the
restrictions and live by 'em!
Msg #9204 Dated 20:44:43 07-21-91 -> 9205
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF
I am alive and soon will be well. Looking forward to some rest and
will be in tuch... tanks for fax of the pages will see book stuff
soon from libcong and letcha know. I got a ton, a ton, jof stuff from
Europe on the ring book!!! Even talked to the guy that was under the
table with the Kaps show.... har....
Msg #9205 Dated 21:05:17 07-21-91 9204 <--> 9212
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF
Thats some funny stuff. Everything but brunswick stew!
Msg #9206 Dated 21:22:47 07-21-91 -> 9222
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: ALL
Re: MEETING YOU ALL
I would like to suggest coming together at the sunday brunch at the
castle 11 august, so I can meet some of you personally.
Let me know if that is convenient for you. Bye.
Msg #9208 Dated 21:47:41 07-21-91 9201 <--> 9223
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONV_91
I tried to preserve the flavor of the interactive convention coverage
by including a few of the messages back and forth. Glad it is
appreciated.
Msg #9210 Dated 21:50:50 07-21-91 -> 9225
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: EGADS!
Egads, but MAGIC! is SOME PLACE! I was just looking over the log -
MICHAEL CLOSE and TOMMY WONDER were on at the same time!
Msg #9211 Dated 22:10:59 07-21-91 -> 9226
From: MICHAEL CLOSE
To: ALL
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Hi, this is Michael Close. I've uploaded a rough draft of an article
which I plan to send to Howard Bamman for publication in the Linking
Ring. It is called Contest.TXT. I would like your comments. That's it
for now.
Msg #9212 Dated 22:19:00 07-21-91 9205 <--> 9221
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF
I thought you would digit!!! Har.
Msg #9215 Dated 22:40:40 07-21-91 -> 9227
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TROPHY
Bill-
You may not have had a chance to read the following message since
it was posted the day before the message base incident. I still
need to know what to do with the thing...
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Msg #8929 Dated 16:37:46 07-16-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS
Re: TROPHY
Bill -
I was finally unpacking the last of my stuff today and I came across
something I forgot to tell you about. When Pete and I took over the
suite, we noticed that you'd forgotten to take that gold pyramid award
thing that was on the table in the living room. Since Pete was not
heading home, we stuck it in my suitcase for you. I'm really sorry for
the delay and hope you haven't been in a panic, but I forgot it was
there. Do you want me to ship it to you?
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Msg #9216 Dated 22:51:59 07-21-91 9179 <--> 9235
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
Philip,
It's quite easy, just add a "space" or two on the empty line and
then Magic! will think it isn't blank and will keep it. Another
way is to use a Word Processor that can save an ASCII file and
lay out to your heart's content. But you will still need either a
space on a blank line or perhaps your Comm program has an "Expand
Blank Lines" setting in it's ASCII protocol.
Good luck,
David (not to be confused with our illustrious SYSOP or that TV guy,
I'm "the other one"
Msg #9217 Dated 22:52:13 07-21-91 9196 <--> 9218
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE PERATA
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
Pete,
It's a good book as long as you are aware of Michael's restriction
statement posted on the back cover and inside. You might try down-
loading the last few message bases (magic-35 thru magic-38) for
more comments as it has been given a LOT of attention lately.
Basically, if you have ever been in a situation where you need that
special something and are otherwise unprepared, then this book is for
you. His restrictions limit you to improvised performances, and he
asks you not to use it professionally unless you clear it with him
first. As it turns out, very few of the effects apply in a structured
performance (as he intended) but are designed for "improvised" use.
The bottom line is, it's a good book and I for one am glad I bought
it.
David (the other one)
Msg #9218 Dated 22:52:42 07-21-91 9202 <--> 9219
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
Pete,
I just "killed" my 9200 msg and replaced it with 9217
I agree, it's a great book and I'm glad I own it
By the way...
Msg #9219 Dated 22:55:20 07-21-91 9202 <--> 9228
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
From: ALL
To: PETE BIRO
RE: WORLD TRAVELLER
___ __ __ ___
\ /\ / | | / / \ |\ /| |
\ / \ / |-- | | | | | \ / | |--
\/ \/ |___ |___ \ __ \ __ / | \/ | |___
__ ___
| | / \ |\ /| |
|---| | | | \ / | |--
| | \ __ / | \/ | |___
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| \ | | | | |
|__ / |-- | |-- |_|
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sg #9221 Dated 23:03:16 07-21-91 9205 <--> 9265
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF
I thot yude like it! Har....
Msg #9222 Dated 23:03:38 07-21-91 9206 <--> 9237
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: MEETING YOU ALL
I agree much with what you say about the FISM awards... I thought ALPHA
was terrific and would like to have seen a tie with him and Mayoral. I
think ALPHA is an act I would like to book. Mayoral was excellent at
the convention, but only for a convention act. I gave both top scores
(the same). I feel that the Grand Prix was good to give to Danalin, as
he took most advantge of his music, novelty, etc. and did a perfect
show for my taste. I hope I can afford to bring him to Salt Lake for
the IBM...
Carney was (I have been told) VERY HAPPY to get second place. Altho I
did not agree at all with giving first to Tabary and his rope routine.
There were many more excellent close up acts (though I thought the
overall standard was not up very high!)
Jade was 6th and Cielen 7th, which I think was very good for acts with
NO REALLY ORIGINAL MAGIC... they are better performers than most. I
like Topas very much, he did a good job, a great job! Arsene Lupin...
I don't think that much of... I fell asleep both time he was onstage!
Tim Ellis was great and because he was under 5 minutes and did only
one trick was not eligible to win anything... but we the jury decided
to give him a special award as he was so great. It was too bad the
stage crew ruined his act for the larger audience. I talked to him and
what happened was the dummy doing the microphone stuck a pin right thru
the wire hooking him up!!!! I loved Shankar Jr. doing the
Indian cups in his own language! I am going to write more later but
now to get some rest. Need to visit Doctor Dos!
Msg #9223 Dated 23:10:03 07-21-91 9208 <--> 9238
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONV_91
Great job editing and an even greater job by MAGIC-NL. They did the
impossible considering the conditions and time. I didn't get time to
send a single postcard. Good thing my computer power unit fried itself!
Msg #9225 Dated 23:11:18 07-21-91 9210 <--> 9240
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EGADS!
It's a WONDER they are so CLOSE. Work on the Frog, Frog. I plan to!
Msg #9226 Dated 23:11:52 07-21-91 9211 <--> 9230
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Mike, got to get cracking on the FROG, one of the great effects of
the age. Here is a killer. Have a half dollar shimmed to hold to a
magnet. Then have it cut up like a folding coin, but no rim work. Put
the three pieces into a bottle and glue together.... you know what I is
talking about! Har... I bet Bob Swadling could make this up for us!
Will drp him a note. Will be talking to the TV commercial producer in
Detroit city about your tape in cuple a days.... bye
Msg #9227 Dated 23:14:03 07-21-91 9215 <--> 9241
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TROPHY
David, you forgot all this time to send Wells the Pyramid award he left
in the hotel suite. How could you. I should have taken it with me! Send
it to him UPS right away.
Msg #9228 Dated 23:15:26 07-21-91 9217 <--> 9229
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
I agree a good book. But I also agree with any and all copyright
statements that are NOT INSIDE A SEALED BOOK. If the statements are on
the outside then abide by them. Why do people have such a tough time
complying with someone's requests? Are all people becoming
irresponsible? If you are asked to behave in a certain way about
something then for crying out loud do it!
Msg #9229 Dated 23:17:42 07-21-91 9219 <--> 9236
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
I don't know how to answer in a like manner! But the welcome is mostj
appreciated. Altho getting home means bills to pay and a lawn to cut!
ARGH for sure, for sure...
Msg #9230 Dated 23:22:30 07-21-91 9211 <--> 9252
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
More than anything else, I agree with your comments as to the
questionable point of having contests in the first place; art cannot be
measured in the same way as, say, pole-vaulting.
Your other comments are pretty reasonable, but I think your concept
of "legitimate" conditions may be too restrictive. By the standards you
suggest, Slydini would have been ineligible... Goshman, too -- except
that he would've brought his own drape.
But in the main, I agree, even if I have minor differences in how to
define the terms. The most important point, I think, is that in these
close-up contests the terms are rarely ever defined at all. That, I
believe, is the issue that must be addressed before anything else.
Your comments about judges are too brief, but certainly there is a
clear need to, again, _define_ the judging committee in advance. I've
described in print some years back what my own idea for such a panel
would be, but there are certainly lots of viable structures. What is
_not_ viable is the almost-standard approach of choosing the judges for
a contest on the basis of who's available at the last minute...
In the past ten or fifteen years these contests have gained a great
deal of significance; so much so that most people forget that until the
1980s American convention contests were given no particular attention.
Now, of course, there are so many "world champions" running around that
most of the meaning is lost. If contests are going to be assigned the
sort of status they currently claim, that credibility must depend on
the quality of their production _and_ the quality of their judges.
Which means, among other things, that judges should be paid, in one way
or another.
Msg #9231 Dated 23:35:24 07-21-91 9159 <--> 9243
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES
David you have been attending the wrong lectures if you are practicin
g card moves. Surely you jest - don't call me shirley !
Msg #9233 Dated 23:35:37 07-21-91 9168 <--> 9251
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
This must be the other Evan Katz rabble-razing again. Why must you
continually bait Max's goat ?
Msg #9234 Dated 23:35:41 07-21-91 9173 <--> 9248
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DOS
You are right in that the 68000 is a far superior design to the Intel
series and that object oriented processes are superior to cursor base
d thinking, but remember we are market oriented an that means you go
with what the majority has even though it is inferior.
.
PS Thanks for your review of FISM, it is enlightening to have reviews
that tell it like it was - without all the fluff and BS.
Msg #9235 Dated 23:35:49 07-21-91 9184 <--> 9246
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
Kinda like the machine in Blade Runner - its coming sooner than you
think ! In the future we will have the best of both worlds the text
with an video supplement that can be voice controlled. Ah technology
is wonderful.
.
In case you missed my question due to the system glitch. What is
Geotic Magic I can't find a reference to it ?
Msg #9236 Dated 23:35:57 07-21-91 9202 <--> 9257
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
My god - a message from Pete Biro. Where have you been that your
computer couldn't get you on. Welcome back. I just got a NEC laptop
for the lab and thanks for your input it fits the bill.
Msg #9237 Dated 23:36:03 07-21-91 9206 <--> 9328
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: MEETING YOU ALL
Sounds good - I'll plan accordingly. Burton the Bizzare.
Msg #9238 Dated 23:42:38 07-21-91 9223 <--> 9426
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONV_91
Thank you. I too think that MAGIC-NL did a great job. But so did all
the "MAGIC! Reporters" at PCAM, IBM, and SAM.
Msg #9240 Dated 23:43:57 07-21-91 9225 <--> 9276
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EGADS!
I've been working on the frog! Actually, I've been making some card
frogs out of MINIATURE GREEN BICYCLE DECKS -- They look great! And I
think that I could do some neat "signature" things with them.
Msg #9241 Dated 23:46:49 07-21-91 9227 <--> 9495
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TROPHY
Sorry, Boss. It was in the suitcase with the extra papers, the binding
machine and supplies, etc. and I just forgot it. Then, when I found
it, I posted the note, but it was one of the ones clobbered by the
incident.
OK, will send it to him as soon as possible - gotta find a box that
big.
Msg #9243 Dated 23:49:02 07-21-91 9231 <--> 9277
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES
I didn't say _I_ was practicing card moves, I just wrote a review of
the book. Sheesh! Next you'll try to tell me that deaf people should
be barred from reviewing concerts.
Msg #9246 Dated 23:51:00 07-21-91 9235 <--> 9278
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
Um -- well, part of the reason might be that it is spelled Goetic -- it
actually just means ritual from a Goetia, that is to say a grimoire,
which as you probably know is a book of ritual magic. Some of the
better known ones are the Greater And Lesser Key Of Solomon, The Sacred
Book of Abra-Melin the Mage, and the Lemegeton.
Msg #9247 Dated 23:53:25 07-21-91 -> 9306
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: TOMMY WONDER
*****************************************
***** BRUNCH WITH TOMMY WONDER! *****
***** A SPECIAL WORLD CLASS MAGIC! EVENT *****
***** SUNDAY, AUGUST 11TH, 1991 *****
*****************************************
Tommy Wonder, Internationally Acclaimed Magician and Wizard
Extrodinaire, resident of the Netherlands and honored member of both
MAGIC! and MAGIC-NL, will be in LOS ANGELES on Sunday, August 11th,
as GUEST OF HONOR for a very special MAGIC! Brunch at the MAGIC
CASTLE.
MAGIC! members, whether they are members of the Magic Castle or
not, may attend this no-host event by advance reservation.
Atttendance will be EXTREMELY LIMITED. If you would like to attend,
please leave a public or private message to David Lichtman no later
than 11:59 p.m. Pacific Time on Friday, August 2nd, 1991.
Let's welcome TOMMY WONDER to Los Angeles in true MAGIC! style!
***************
Msg #9248 Dated 23:59:35 07-21-91 9234 <--> 9274
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DOS
Techie note -- the new partnership between IBM and Apple will use the
Motoroloa 68000 chip, not the Intel; they'r tryngtogt power away
from both Intel and Gates at Microsoft. Mind you, I don't think it's
gonna work...
Msg #9249 Dated 0:00:59 07-22-91 -> 9266
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FAX
Ee;
Got the fax on the power modules - thanks. That same line is the
Robotics Society BBS that I run after 6 pm and on weekends. I saw you
logged in and switched over to fax. If you ever need to send a fax
call me or leave a msg and I'll switch over.
Msg #9250 Dated 0:01:06 07-22-91 -> 9498
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
As with most competitions, one looks at the conditions and puts
together what will win. I think you are confusing real close-up
magic with what IBM calls close-up magic.
.
Many of the 'Workers' as you so aptly call them would not necessarily
win a contest, but are very powerful as ammunition for the working
pro. I personally favor the idea put forth by Bill Wells a while
back of having the performer walk up to a table setting and perform
a 'show' with objects on the table. This would at least measure
the performer's knowledge of magic.
.
I do agree with your idea of limiting the number of contestants.
I missed Giovanni's act as my kidneys could not take any more.
.
Contests are contests, not to be confused with the real world of
close-up magic.
Msg #9251 Dated 0:13:27 07-22-91 9233 <--> 9422
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I don't believe that one qualifies as a goat-bait.
Msg #9252 Dated 0:26:07 07-22-91 9211 <--> 9256
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
If the Linking Ring won't run your article
Genii would be honored.
Msg #9256 Dated 1:59:45 07-22-91 9211 <--> 9267
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Forgot to add: while I personally despise most of the "large-object-as-
final-load-production" routines I see, it's worth noting that the
"trend" you mention began with Don Alan, who is a worker, not a
convention contestant...
Msg #9257 Dated 2:18:49 07-22-91 9228 <--> 9275
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
Pete,
I was just summarizing what was a very long thread on the subject
that got into legal vs. moral obligations of such a notice.
I personally have no problem with "shrink wrap" licensing, but
was a little put off by seeing such a positive notice on the
outside (Unlimited performance rights anywhere in the universe,
with or without accompanying patter...) and then unwrapping the
book to find a negative paraphrase stating "Reproduction or
utilization of this work in any form... is forbidden... without
express written permission...) I believe he should have chosen
one particular format and stuck with it.
This does not even begin to address the "Buy by Mail" issue where
the buyer is unaware of such a notice until it's too late.
Again, it's a great book for what it was intended to be, and
since I don't see myself performing any of his material on
national TV anytime in the near (or distant) future, I have no
problem with his request.
David (the other one)
Msg #9259 Dated 3:37:22 07-22-91 -> 9268
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THANKS FOR YOUR LOGIN
Tab,
.
Thank you for logging in to NL and say hello. Can understand
you miss the daily FISM reports. However to continue the dutch
spirit on the BBS we, as the complete dutch crew, have sponsored
Tommy Wonder and have put him on a plane to your side.
.
Seeing how he is welcomed, brunches. etc..., I don't think it
will take that long before I will show up in the MAGIC! head-
quarters.
.
Regards,
Arnaud
Msg #9263 Dated 6:04:04 07-22-91 -> 9270
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SPHINX
No, Richard hasn't sent them yet. Actually I'm suppose to. I'll
send you a list of the ones we have that you want tomorrow. Talk to you
then. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #9265 Dated 7:30:15 07-22-91 9212 <--> 9271
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF
Actually, my favorite part was Chef "Wheels Pierre". Must be one of
your race car buddies.
Msg #9266 Dated 7:30:21 07-22-91 9249 <--> 9291
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAX
No problemo. I've got the fax/robotics sked now and will make a
note in the rolodex. Could you read that stuff. Print was kinda
small, but thought you'd be interested.
Msg #9267 Dated 7:30:27 07-22-91 9256 <--> 9272
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Last night I read the transcription of a lecture that Don Alan did
July 5, 1975. The transcription was in The Conjurer V1#7. It should
be reprinted again. Maybe Don will give us permission to put it up
on MAGIC!.
.
A brief quote from the article...
"Let's make ourselves magicians, let's make ourselves moral, let's
make ourselves legal, let's make ourselves something in the art."
Msg #9268 Dated 7:30:37 07-22-91 9259 <--> 9283
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: THANKS FOR YOUR LOGIN
I guess we'll (me, glo, dogs, birds, cats) have to move to So.
California just so we can catch these lunches and brunches when they
come up. Maybe move east of LA in the mountains up near Big Bear.
.
It was great with all the conventions on MAGIC!. PCAM, IBM, SAM and
FISM. Lesse, Charlie Randall is going to the Inn Event so I guess
that one is next.
Msg #9270 Dated 7:30:52 07-22-91 9263 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: SPHINX
Maybe I'll give you a call tonight and see whats going on. Am looking
for a copy of Sharp's NEO MAGIC, you have?
Msg #9271 Dated 8:12:37 07-22-91 9265 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF
Got it from a RACER, yep...
Msg #9272 Dated 8:13:10 07-22-91 9267 <--> 9273
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Put it up, put it up....
Msg #9273 Dated 8:14:06 07-22-91 9230 <--> 9279
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
I agree Judges should be paid. Especialy ME at FISM.... When I OKd
being a Judge they didn't tell me it was for EVERYTHING, Close ---
OOOPS, MICRO Magic, Cards and STAGE! The time before I was on the
Jury for Card Magic ONLY but the FISM "owners" were very upset and
nervous about a JOHNNY ACE PALMER situation happening again, where
a Micro Magic peformer would be awarded the Grand Prix.
So, by having the same judges for ALL catagories -- and being
briefed to "not score the close up as high as stage, as the GRAND
PRIX is most prestigious for a stage act and really means nothing
to a table worker in relation to its promotional possibilities",
the FISM felt they would not be again EMBARRASSED by awarding he
correction THE, top prize to a table worker. In the meeting I
commented that I couldn't believe an act like Palmer's could have
even taken first place, but that I know on a GIVEN DAY the lesser
acts sometime come to life, etc., etc. AND i also suggested that
the screening process ALSO INCLUDE the person signing the entry
blank, and facitiously said, the person recommending any act should
have to be there and stand alongside the act so we could SEE WHO
WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR SENDING THIS TERRIBLE PERFORMER! And with over
140 at Lausanne there were PLENTY of bad acts!
I need more time to define and comment on Close as I have only had
conversations with him and have not yed downloaded his written
version. You will hve read some of my comments late last night on
some of the acts that did win and I don't understand how anyone
could have chosen them for even top 5. Example Tabary on ropes
winning close up... I had him at 65 out of possible 100 points, as
did Ali Bongo. A couple of guys must have had him at near 100 and
he did essentially (tho the methods and actual effects were not the
same) Edernac's stage act!!!!! One man, one rope, move after move
for 10 minutes and 10 seconds. The RED DQ light came on, but the
unwritten rule was a 10 second grace period if the magi did not
start a new trick, to give them a couple of seconds to conclude,
especially if they had a slow response getting someone out of the
audience to come up and help. But I felt he didn't deserve the
10 seconds of grace as he did not have anyone at any time come to
help and he SHOULD have timed his act better giving himself about
1 minute less material as it was all about the same from start to
finish!!!!!!!!!
Msg #9274 Dated 8:14:47 07-22-91 9234 <--> 9356
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DOS
You mean the rest of us are filling our reports with fluff and bs?
Msg #9275 Dated 8:14:51 07-22-91 9236 <--> 9282
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
You havent' read my fumble stuff from the last few days? Batteries
all died and the converter blew a fuse. The NEC dealer in LA wanted
me to buy a $210 replacement but a buddy of mine in repair biz took
it apart and rewired in a new fuse for $3.00.
I had used the voltage converter in Europe suggested by NEC TECH
services but when I plugged in in Lausanne I hard a LOUD "ZAP" and
all went dead.
Msg #9276 Dated 8:15:02 07-22-91 9240 <--> 9292
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EGADS!
I would keep fact that there are green backed Bike decks around and
use one for a color change in the right places. Like have the lights
a color that didn't tip off the change until the white lights come
back on. Ala the Tomsoni color changing dress gag.
Msg #9277 Dated 8:15:09 07-22-91 9243 <--> 9289
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES
I once danced with a deaf girl that could follow the beat of the
music better than I could!
Msg #9278 Dated 8:15:16 07-22-91 9246 <--> 9285
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
Gee I don't find any of those books in my card tricks library sectijo
correction "section"... argh
Msg #9279 Dated 8:15:21 07-22-91 9252 <--> 9280
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Have Michael write a version for Genii. I think he is writing the
LR as he feels it is part of the organization PUTTING the contests
on, and the Genii slant could be at those ENTERING COMPETITIONS.
Msg #9280 Dated 8:15:29 07-22-91 9252 <--> 9281
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Thanks for whoever did it, I got my new, UNBENT, Castle Membership
card. Be in tuch.
Msg #9281 Dated 8:15:34 07-22-91 9256 <--> 9284
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Touche.... har.... at FISM -- I think it was DeCamps -- he did the
cups and balls with the final loads standard, until the final, and
then the FINAL, which were a FOURTH CUP (WHICH I HAVE DONE PRIVATELY
FOR YEARS) AND THEN a Bottle of Perrier Water, which I blinked just
before and was nailed! It is great when someone's timing is such
that you relax, figuring they have finished and BAM one more hit!
.
This thread really needs a lot of thinking. The concept of Bill
Wells, having perfomers come into an impromptu situation is coming
very close to reality. I am working on this with him and Joe S, to
HOPEFULLY tie it into the next Desert Seminar.
.
I saw your Clone at Lausanne... and hope our great friend Tommy
Wonder(ful) (not being funny, the guy is wonderful) got the message
across the the bugger listened. If nothing else other than you
getting a load of staionary cheap it might hve been worth it!
Msg #9282 Dated 8:15:54 07-22-91 9257 <--> 9295
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
My guess that 105% of the buyers will never be in that position.
There are some underlying circumstances going on that most of us
don't know about. Like a rights time limit that was exceeded with
a major professional on TV that killed a Johnny Carson show appear-
ance for the inventor of an effect that had suddenly been seen on
TV by the other performer, altho the legal rightss time limit had
been exceeded. Too complex to go into... but the point isthe
creators have been getting SCREWED of late and just want to get
some kind of protection.
There is (IMHO) SOME NEEDLING OF THE CERVON edict going on as well.
Frankly I go with whatever anyone requests. If you have something
coming up, like a TV spot, I don't think guys like Weber are going
to be difficult. My guess is he will say, GREAT go ahead, let me
know the air date so I can watch! If you are doing a major special
he would probably just want to be paid what you normally pay for
material anyway. Remember there is NO FREE LUNCH.
Msg #9283 Dated 8:16:13 07-22-91 9259 <--> 9359
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: THANKS FOR YOUR LOGIN
An old American saying (I just used it in a message to the other
one) THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH.
.
What might seem free always costs. In other words, Wonder might not
pay money for his lunch but he might have to watch a series of
packet tricks!
Msg #9284 Dated 8:16:22 07-22-91 9230 <--> 9288
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
At a given time/place, ART or ANYTHING else CAN BE MEASURED. It just
depends on who the measuring party (parties) are. Opinion, tastes
of the day, etc., all play a part.
.
Competitions ARE GREAT taken in the proper context. Example: Many
acts are seen that would not be booked. It is a good showcase. Jade,
at FISM did not expect to win first place. She knew going in that
Rice Bowls, etc. were not the usual fare for winners, BUT THE
SHOWCASE in Europe was her goal. She had tried to be "booked" but
did not get hired, so her alternative was to compete.
.
Others, like Derek Hughes entered to gain experience. To have his
matrial seen AND JUDGED to find out where (approximately) he stands
in the order.
.
I feel the best way to cut down from 140 is what the Japanese FISM
group is suggesting, and that is pre-screening via video. It is not
perfect (remember Dr. Magic) but it is BETTER than blind entries.
It is no problem if you only draw 20-40 acts, like IBM/SAM, etc.,
but when over 140 roll past your eyes on stage it is impossible.
The pre-screening we go through at the Desert Seminar is as close
as you can get, although we make some mistakes too. And on a given
day a bad show is done (Ger Copper at Brussells, Davido at Lausanne)
but for the most part the screened/accepted acts are in the ballpark
at Las Vegas.
.
With IBM/SAM levels "a little better than average" (PCAM was
dreadful this time around) a trend seems to be developing, which I
liked very much (at least at IBM, as I couldn't get away from a pay
job during SAM) there was a streak of originality!!!! There were
NO LANCE CLONES.... almost NO ZOMBIE OR LINKING RINGS...
.
However at FISM there were about 70 Snowstorm in China presentations
most of which were mediocre... My world class rating of those doing
Snowstorm (based on their ability to really make a storm)... is:
1) Phoa Yan Tiong
2) Vito Lupo
3) Jade (they all understand the size of the work area and above all
how to light it!!!) One guy (from the US, BUT I FORGET THE NAME)
picked up the fan, went thru the moves... TWO PIECES OF CONFETTI
dropped from his hand.. he paused, smiled, looked at audience and
nodded his head 'NO' opened his hand NO CONFETTI, smiled and threw
the fan away... BIG GREAT AUD REACTION.
.
During a 'BREAK' Ali Bongo and I had stood a number of times and
fanned each other with our notembooks, but this time we each stood
and did a snowstorm with our notebooks.... YO....
.
If we had seen only the top 40 acts they would have said it was
the GREATEST FISM OF ALL TIME! I don't know how they can change it
tho... unless Japan is SO SUCCESSFUL that they see it and realize
a change is needed.
.
Being IN ON IT, I didn't see too much wrong, only two that I would
say weren't right, the Close up and the second place Manip. The
Comedy Winner was pretty much universally accepted as correct, but
my taste/opinion was that a solo guy THAT WAS VERY FUNNY should
have been first since HE WAS FUNNY, andthewiner's act was the
props were funny (much like Joel and Jill) (Matter of fact this act
included half of Joel and Jill). But that is only my opinion.
.
Someone commented that Driebeek said the dice stacking guy shouldj
not have been eligible as the final bits were done with waste
basket sized cups and stacking of 7-inch dice. Who knows? He started
with small stuff and did it at a table... I really like him and
probably will bring him over some time to IBM or Seminar.
.
People over there went berserk and loved Williamson, who "played
the room" with his close up... with about 300-plus watching you
can't do the little stuff. David played so broad he even used the
rolling garbage dumpster that was in the corner of the room!
.
I guess the real way to have the close up contests might be to have
a small room, no bigger than the Castle Close Up gallery, same table
an distances, etc. AND THE REST OF THE FOLKS WATCH IT ON TV SCREENS.
Because when you put the close up acts in a room big enough for
300 - plus to view, you cannot BLAME the acts for playing the room.
This is what happened at the Desert Seminar. The Bob Reads, David
Williamsons, Mike Webers are going to KILL. Alex Elmsley wouldn't
stand a chance!
.
Mo later, adios...
Msg #9285 Dated 8:48:35 07-22-91 9216 <--> 9286
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
David, er "the other one";
Many, thanks! I think I've got the hang of it now. Now I can type and
layout to my heart's dee-lite.
Philip Hopbell
Msg #9286 Dated 10:31:46 07-22-91 9285 <--> 9294
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
Glad to help!
Msg #9288 Dated 10:56:18 07-22-91 9272 <--> 9300
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Put me in touch with Don, if you would, and I'll type it in if he oks
it. He said that Pete Biro wuz his "best friend." The article was
transcribed from a tape of Don's lecture. It is quite good and I
think something that the time has come for it to be read, especially
here on MAGIC! where there at least is some simblance of proprietary
awareness.
Msg #9289 Dated 10:56:26 07-22-91 9277 <--> 9293
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES
Knew a deaf guy in college that took his shoes off and picked up the
vibrations of music through the wooden dance floor.
Msg #9291 Dated 11:07:19 07-22-91 9266 <--> 9360
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAX
Jerry -
Take a look at ASAP's TF 555 fax switcher. While older (non-CNG) faxes
will be confused by it, it supposedly has the ability to transparently
switch between a fax and a modem. The secret is to plug the modem into
the answering machine port - if no CNG is detected, it defaults to that
port.
Msg #9292 Dated 11:10:05 07-22-91 9276 <--> 9301
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EGADS!
Very interesting idea! I'm fooling around with the concept - the thing
is that the frog looks great in "native green" and the small size makes
for some neat switches.
Msg #9293 Dated 11:11:25 07-22-91 9277 <--> 9500
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES
Is there anything that you HAVEN'T done? Er... if there is, maybe you
SHOULDN'T post the list here! Not in public, at least!
Msg #9294 Dated 11:12:51 07-22-91 9246 <--> 9364
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
In a general bookstore I recently came across a paperback that claimed
to be the Necronomicon. One presumes that it is a complete fake?
Msg #9295 Dated 13:04:15 07-22-91 9282 <--> 9302
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
Gee, maybe one could even get him to deduct the cost of the book.
'W.
Msg #9297 Dated 13:25:14 07-22-91 -> 9298
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SYSOP
Re: ROYALTY
I know you call yourself Frog, but I think you're a PRINCE.
Msg #9298 Dated 13:27:31 07-22-91 9297 <--> 9299
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROYALTY
Funny bit - I was uploading while you were leaving message, knew you
were hanging around waiting for it. Now I'm doin' same while you
download it.
Msg #9299 Dated 13:30:39 07-22-91 9298 <--> 9304
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROYALTY
Anyway, I appreciate your taking the time to drop a couple of files on
me. Thanx...
Msg #9300 Dated 14:12:39 07-22-91 9288 <--> 9313
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
I got to find Don's new address, since he moved to Vegas. Later.
Msg #9301 Dated 14:13:38 07-22-91 9292 <--> 9307
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EGADS!
OK Frog. If anybody knows Frogs it is Frogs.
Msg #9302 Dated 14:13:57 07-22-91 9295 <--> 9326
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
You can't deduct stuff twice... the IRS will getcha... gotcha?
Msg #9304 Dated 14:15:05 07-22-91 9297 <--> 9314
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROYALTY
Don't ever Kiss the bugger!
Msg #9305 Dated 15:01:16 07-22-91 -> 9309
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MEASUREMENT
I'll firmly disagree with you on the issue of measuring art, Pete. By
all means, art can be assessed, but I believe that it cannot be
measured in comparison with other art except in tremendously general
terms which are not all that meaningful. It's the old "apples and
oranges" thing.
Regarding the FISM contest judges, you're incorrect on one point: at
Den Haag three years ago it was the same set of judges who covered both
stage and close-up. The complaint at that time was that those judges
were more stage-oriented than close-up, in terms of knowledge, and thus
it was felt by many that their choice of Grand Prix was based on not
being qualified to evaluate the close-up. At that time, I heard many
comments suggesting that a separate close-up committee be used, and
that when it came time to determine the Grand Prix both committees
would compare notes.
Your story of being explicitly told to downgrade point-scores for
close-up performers is distressing.
Last year I gave Jean Garance some ideas as to how to possibly tighten
up the contest, similar to your own comments. One was, to me, obvious:
place a limit on the number of acts that can be sponsored by a given
club, based on size of membership. You know, like the U.S. Congress?
The other main suggestion was to explicitly announce the sponsor for
each contestant; perhaps post it on a projection screen. Not as extreme
as your idea of having the club president actually stand alongside the
performer (very amusing), but viable.
I had an essay on contests in Genii several years ago, but so far as
feedback would indicate, no one ever read it.
Msg #9306 Dated 15:41:43 07-22-91 9247 <--> 9308
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
That sounds like fun. I want to come as well!
Msg #9307 Dated 15:41:53 07-22-91 9301 <--> 9310
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EGADS!
I'm workin' on it. Maybe by the time I get it going, Bicycle will
introduce poker size green back cards.
Msg #9308 Dated 15:44:06 07-22-91 9306 <--> 9331
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
We'll have to see if there is room for you at the Brunch!
Msg #9309 Dated 15:49:43 07-22-91 9305 <--> 9318
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MEASUREMENT
I stand corrected on Den Haag. I was a Jurist before and only did Micro
and Card, and ASSUMD Den Haag was the same. It wasn't a REALLY STRONG
downgrading for Close up, they just felt it wouldn't do MAGIC and the
performer any good if a Micro Conjurian (sic) was the GP winner. I tend
to agree, but feel that the Close Up and CArd divisions deserbe their
own Grand Prize winners. No one will ever win on this stuff, asthere
are too many viewpoints.
My main feeling is contests are good for exposure and experience, but
should not be taken too seriously. Personally I have entered three
times in the past. One loss and two first places... and what did it
get me? Nothing, really. The loss ticked me off because I thought I
should have won and so I was discouraged. The wins just netted a pair
of trophies I have to dust!!!!
Msg #9310 Dated 15:54:03 07-22-91 9307 <--> 9322
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EGADS!
NO, then there will be a plethora of Frog-based packet tricks! Arrghh.
Msg #9311 Dated 16:16:53 07-22-91 -> 9350
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPETITIONS
I agree with you that competitions shuld not be seen too serious.
Concerning the idea that a Grand Prix would be of more use to a stage
worker than to a close up man seems strange to me. I think it could do
just as much for any person. On the other hand I think FISM is
overestimating its own value. When one wins FISM does not give money,
does not give work. Work and money is what a good act gets anyhow, with
or without a prize. Years ago, there was something else, with the grand
prix on e also got honour. Honour to be on the list with Kaps, Lance
Burton, Richard Ross etc. That is gone by now, after Madrid and Den
Haag.
Concerning Den Haag, I do not think that any reasonable person feels
that close up should not win a grand prix, I think most people felt
that an act which is not up onto the standards should not win. This is
what happened in Den Haag. It is quitedistressing if beforehand it is
more or less decided that the grand prix should preferably not fall in
this category. The grand prix in close up was not the mistake in Den
Haag. It was a different type of mistake.
Msg #9312 Dated 16:24:33 07-22-91 -> 9340
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUAN MAYORAL
Personally I know that Juan Mayoral is working quite a lot with this
act. Although it does not fall into the category of an act which can be
done in the usual type of hard hitting revue, that oes certainly not
mean it is not commercial. He is selling his act for money!! So it is
commercial.And not ony suitable for conventions.
Msg #9313 Dated 16:55:29 07-22-91 9300 <--> 9319
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Yeah, all I know's he's living in Vegas. I'll make a stab at
entering the text into my word processor since it's quite lengthy
as would imagine he would still want it aired so will be ready to
upload it when we find him and get his permission.
Msg #9314 Dated 16:55:35 07-22-91 9304 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROYALTY
Not hardly, though I like him.
Msg #9315 Dated 18:29:05 07-22-91 9193 <--> 9323
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
I was thinking of those old "phones" we made as kids with two tin cans
and a piece ostring.
.
Randy
Msg #9316 Dated 18:31:37 07-22-91 9194 <-
From: RANDY LUND
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTT'S
will do...Randy
Msg #9317 Dated 18:36:44 07-22-91 -> 9320
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Some of the comments returned after a snapped at Max ( Sorry Max, twas
the at the end of a long long day) got me to thinking. The comments
that reaaly caught my attention dealt with the diffuly of truly
attributing a trick, effect, idea or what have you because so many of
them have been recycled, time and again. This thought compbined with
another thread of thoughts recently discussed as to why magi are held
in low esteem by the public.
.
Thought 1 for consideration. Why is there so little real creativity in
the magic area of entertainment. We create new effects with cards and
variations on a theme but rarely if ever is something truly new and
different done. Where is the magical equivalent of Rock and Roll,
Soul, Rap etc. from the music world. A magic show done by Thurston
Robert Houdin, etc, etc etc would not look all that much different from
Harry Blackstone Jr or David Copperfield etc etc. The same can't be
said for music or theatre etc.
.
Thought 2...is thought 1 connected with the low esteem for magi.
.
Thought 3...Can we on MAGIC! come up with some truly new magical ideas.
.
Randy
Msg #9318 Dated 19:34:07 07-22-91 9309 <--> 9344
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MEASUREMENT
My view of contests is much like the opinion on IQ scores which holds
that IQ test do not measure intelligence, but rather indicate one's
ability to take IQ tests. Mind you, that is not a useless piece of
information, but it ought not be confused with something else.
This said, I've long maintained that there are three potentially
positive aspects to contests: 1. They can sometimes provide financial
gain. 2. They can, as you've noted, be used as a means of exposure.
3. Most viably, they can be used as a reference point for the
individual contestant, as a goal to use as a time frame and as a way of
comparing one's current work with previous efforts.
However, I still feel that as a forum for competition they are
misguided, and the results are given far too much attention.
Msg #9319 Dated 19:39:55 07-22-91 9313 <--> 9335
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
When Don delivered that talk in London it caused quite a stir. If you
want to track him down, I'd suggest contacting Louis Falanga, as L&L is
planning a Don Alan book.
Msg #9320 Dated 19:41:17 07-22-91 9317 <--> 9324
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
We're back to a previous discussion. For me, the real creative leaders
in magic are stylistic. In music, few creative artists have felt the
need to invent new instruments; rather, they've invented new ways to
produce music on existing tools. In magic there is a lot of focus on
new tools (which are frequently not really new), but too little thought
given to breakthroughs in expression.
On that level, I'll absolutely disagree with your comment on David
Copperfield. Blackstone Jr. is, basically, doing a re-creation of his
father's material, with little stylistic development. Copperfield, on
the other hand, has carved out a very distinctive style which, to me,
is far more important than the specific tricks he performs (which are
a combination of old and new).
Msg #9322 Dated 20:22:22 07-22-91 9310 <--> 9358
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EGADS!
True! And the last thing we need is a plethora of Frog-based packet
tricks! As I recall, there was a magician named Moses who plagued the
audience with them.
Msg #9323 Dated 20:27:04 07-22-91 9315 <--> 9342
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
As a kid you made phones out of tin cans and string? Great idea! I
went down to the Army-Navy surplus store and got walkie-talkies.
Msg #9324 Dated 20:29:35 07-22-91 9317 <--> 9334
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Your thought #3 is quite timely - I've been working on an idea for a
MAGIC! Trick that I shortly plan to ask for input on.
Msg #9325 Dated 20:21:11 07-22-91 -> 9346
From: MICHAEL CLOSE
To: ALL
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
I seem to have gotten the ball rolling. I would like to emphasize what
my main point is: people are entering the close-up contests with acts
which can only be performed at magic conventions. There are no venues
in the real world which will provide a living for someone who does the
kinds of acts which people compete with. I agree with Max that Don
Alan did start the idea of the big load, but at least he was doing it
in real life, and didn't have to crawl under the table to set up before
he performed. At Illusions, Terry Veckey is the only one who sits when
he performs, and many times it is a pain in the ass for those who have
to get around him toserve food, etc. Many times, it works out oka, but
in order to sit down he has to bring a stool to the table and make
people shift around in order to accomodate this. But Giovanni brought
in a big case, sat it down, messed around with gettng everythng
together, and then left and came back in to start the act. Only a room
full of magicians would have given him the reaction he got. A room full
of seven and eight year olds would have eaten him alive.
Re Goshman and Slydini: It is very true that the performance
requirements I mention in the article would eliminate them. But Albert
comes from the same performance era as Don Alan. Magicians would join
the party. I just feel that today, for the majority of working
magicians it is impractical, if not downright impossible to sit down
when working. We also know how well Albert fared when he tried to
compete in a convention contest.
My other major point is this: if we make the performance conditions
as harsh as possible, then the creative energies of these young men who
have the time, the enthusiasm, and the desire to win contests would be
channeled into a direction which would improveose-up magi. f Giovanni
had walked into the room cold, stood in front of the table, done his
entire act, and then produced a bowl of goldfish (without looking like
Quasimodo before hand) I would have been the first on my feet, for that
would have been a trick that maybe could be done in
Msg #9326 Dated 20:43:33 07-22-91 9302 <--> 9347
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
Twice?
You lost me there, Pete.
(It's not the first time, though, so don't fret.)
'W.
Msg #9328 Dated 20:53:19 07-22-91 9206 <--> 9908
From: STAN LAKE
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: MEETING YOU ALL
I can be there and I will look forward to meeting you at brunch on the
11th of August.
Msg #9330 Dated 21:05:30 07-22-91 -> 9353
From: MICHAEL CLOSE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Hi Max. I had another after I left an earlier message. Just think of
the kind of material that Slydini would have come up with if he had to
adhere to my restrictive performance conditions and if he really wanted
to win a magic contest. I do very much agree that the judges of the
contestsshould be paid. It's the only way to get truly competent
judges. By the way, there is a package in the mail for you that you
should get in a day or two.
Msg #9331 Dated 21:17:12 07-22-91 9247 <--> 9337
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Please sign me up. Will he be performing the famous Zombie routine
with a coffee pot?
Msg #9334 Dated 21:28:22 07-22-91 9317 <--> 9343
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Speaking percentage wise I'd have to guess that there is at least as
much bad music as there is bad magic. Copying in the music field is
rampant and there is little real originality. I've yet to meet some-
one who wasn't a songwriter (or think so anyway) or could produce
better music, etc. Unless you're involved in the "nuts and bolts"
of the music industry you just don't get to see all the crap, and
there's lots of it.
A group I'm working with right now just got a deal - not on their
music which is getting there though not what I'd call great - but
on their look and the way they present themselves live. Again it
points to the essence, PRESENTATION (having a good manager
doesn't hurt). There are more good songs than there are good
singers to sing them. Maybe the same holds true for magic and
magicians.
.
As far as low esteem for magi, is this from the public or from
other magicians?
.
As for music, I've been converting the majority of my studio
space to my enlarged workshop devoted to magic.
Msg #9335 Dated 21:28:39 07-22-91 9319 <--> 9341
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Thanks, will give it a shot. Even after 15 years, Don's talk
seems especially timely due to the discussions hereabouts.
Msg #9337 Dated 21:51:05 07-22-91 9331 <--> 9339
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
You are on the list. As to performing, who knows what Tommy might have
up his sleeve. It is not a requirement, however, that he perform for
lunch.
Msg #9338 Dated 21:34:11 07-22-91 -> 9443
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: FLASH!!!
********FLASH!*********FLASH!***********FLASH!*********FLASH!*********
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.
.
***********************BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND!************************
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/
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JIM, VIC & SHAG HAVE JUST BEEN CONFIRMED FOR THE BIG SHOW AT ABBOTT'S
NEXT WEEK IN COLON!!! Those of you who were there last year will never
forget how Jim, Vic & Shag left the SRO audience gasping in a standing
ovation last year! I just spoke to their manager, Dave Madden, and he
says they've got an ALL-NEW act packed with NEVER BEFORE SEEN
knock-'em-dead effects set for this year's show!!!
.
Those of you going to Colon this year: Whatever you do...DON'T MISS
JIM, VIC & SHAG! Get there early to guarantee a seat. I don't say
this about many acts, but JIM, VIC & SHAG are a MUST-SEE!!!
'Wayne.
Msg #9339 Dated 22:01:09 07-22-91 9247 <--> 9349
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
David, would like to reserve space for two for August 11 at the Castle
with Tommy Wonder! Please put me on the list! Any more info?
Msg #9340 Dated 22:11:13 07-22-91 9312 <--> 9354
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: JUAN MAYORAL
That is good to hear. Personally I was quite impressed with Juan
Mayoral's performance. It was artistically well balanced, and in
the context of MAGIC effects was great. Nothing you would find at
the dealer stands. Which is a great plus in my book!
Danalin, Mayoral, Alpha, Veronin and Magoo. This is my preferrence,
as I stated. Close up I liked the fellow with the little stage in
front of him doing the card work (I don't have my notes and list
of names with me right now) and the Dice Stacking, the Dentist act,
the bells and in the Gala close ups Tamariz and Williamson were
at their best!
Msg #9341 Dated 22:11:27 07-22-91 9313 <--> 9380
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
I ain't forgotted y'all, just need to look into, heck on IMP! so I
can look now... hang on bro'....
Don Alan McWethy, 101 North Luna Way, #167, Las Vegas, NV 89128.
Call 702-254-6164. Tell 'im I sentcha.... Don would love to have a
caller!
Msg #9342 Dated 22:11:36 07-22-91 9315 <--> 9345
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
At Abbott get together some time back, I was sitting in audience
with Mike Caldwell and Hank Morehouse was MCing. The Sound System
went dead. In a flash, Caldwell grabbed a cord and two coke cups,
ran up, handed Hank one end and zipped back to his seat holding
the other saying, "Go ahead!"
Msg #9343 Dated 22:11:45 07-22-91 9317 <--> 9361
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
The problem is that there are so few in magic compared to music,
and the rewards are part of the reason. There are garage bands
in nearly every neighborhood and maybe only garage magicians in
every other town!
Magicians aren't held in low esteem. Some people that do bad magic
are. For example, when I do impromptu stuff for clients, etc. they
are thrilled and delighted and my esteem goes way up. I get work
not because I am the best photographer... but I am the best guyu
after the job is done at dinner, or during breaks, etc. doing all
the right jokes and the entertaining stuff at dinner group gather-
ings with the guys paying the bills! All part of the schtick!
Msg #9344 Dated 22:12:00 07-22-91 9318 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MEASUREMENT
OK.
Msg #9345 Dated 22:12:05 07-22-91 9323 <--> 9367
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Tabman and I bought four killer radio units for Baltimore that are
like the Secret Service fellows. Earplug acts as microphone. Works
as long as you have bones in your head to conduct the sound!
Msg #9346 Dated 22:12:12 07-22-91 9325 <--> 9382
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
You hit it bwana! How can you fool the audience with as pre set up
situation. Youse gots to walk in and hit 'em. The clever guy would
figger out a way to do it.
I remember trying to solve the big load problem and came up with a
very practical set up. I, being a photographer, used a small
camera bag. It was over my shoulder. I took it off, unzipped it
while chatting, the lid opened like a flap and I sat down ON THE
LID with the bag hanging forward on the front of the chair. The
"stuff" in the bag was eazy to snag and dump. OK, it was a sit
down situation so would not fit the restaurant theme as you have
defined it.
However the old Gibicea (apron) would do well (probably spelled it
wrong) -- and a big load could be done ala Chung Ling Soo and the
water bowl if you really think about it. A swing load.
Another KILLER WAY to do it would be to have a waiter or waitress
in on it and steal the load just like all the dodo's on stage
knock off the load with the handfull of silk scarves the assistant
holds behind her back -- another baffler, eh wot!
Msg #9347 Dated 22:12:33 07-22-91 9326 <--> 9357
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
Thrice? I forget what I was talking about. Arrrgggghhhh.
Msg #9349 Dated 22:12:45 07-22-91 9331 <--> 9362
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
You should have seen the Teapot Zombie... ARggghhh. Believe it or
not the 3rd prize for invention at the FISM was for a new, yep,
NEW Zombie gimmick. The moves were incredible to say the most, er
least.... the gaff not only was hinged, but changed length and
rotated.
It made me think about Zombie and I have created an ALL NEW AND
WONDERFULLY AMAZING VERSION. HONEST... when I can figure out how
to write/illustrate it will go online here foist.
Msg #9350 Dated 22:12:57 07-22-91 9311 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: COMPETITIONS
Are you in the area? Call me at 932-7696 if you get the chance.
Msg #9353 Dated 23:16:05 07-22-91 9330 <--> 9369
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Allow me to observe that there is no indication that Slydini ever
wanted to win a magic contest -- further proof of his high quality...
By and large, I think we're in agreement. However, your comment on Al
Goshman is off-base. Albert only bothered to enter one contest in his
life, and that was done as a last-minute whim based in large part on a
financial lure. He fared poorly, because his inexperience with the
contest situation led to a rare case of nerves; hence, he had an awful
set -- the worst I ever saw him do. Which, I think, helps prove my
point relating magic contests to IQ tests.
Although I share your bias concerning sit-down close-up, I think your
assessment is unfair. True, there may be only one regular at Illusions
who works sitting down, but there are quite a few full-time pro's who
opt for this style. Eugene Burger is a good example. He has a
repertoire of walk-around material for that specific circumstance, but
any formal close-up performing is, as you know, done seated. In fact in
his restaurant gigs he has always insisted on a Bert Allerton approach:
escorted to the table with a chair brought over if necessary, rather
than the "hey, anyone lose a blue pocketknife?" cold opening.
Msg #9354 Dated 23:22:49 07-22-91 9340 <--> 9394
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUAN MAYORAL
I was roped into being a judge for the Magic Olympics in Japan a few
years ago. The judging was done jury-style (i.e., discussion rather
than simple point tallying), and I'll claim credit for pushing hard in
favor of Juan Mayoral, who won first prize.
There were some interesting conversations with some of the other
contestants who were startled that a non-manip act won. I'll tell you
about it some time.
Msg #9355 Dated 0:19:44 07-23-91 -> 9383
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
As with most competitions, one looks at the conditions and puts
together what will win. I think you are confusing real close-up
magic with what IBM calls close-up magic.
.
Many of the 'Workers' as you so aptly cal them would not necessarily
win a contest, but are very powerful as ammunition for the working
pro. I personally favor the idea put forth by Bill Wells a while
back of having the performer walk up to a table setting and perform
a 'show' with objects on the table. This would at least measure
the performer's knowledge of magic.
.
I do agree with your idea of limiting the number of contestants.
I missed Giovanni's act as my kidneys could not take any more.
.
Contests are contests, not to be confused with the real world of
close-up magic.
S
Er;9268
Next time you are out here maybe we can plan a trip up the hill to
my place in Lake Arrowhead. Maybe even get a few more people and have
a MAGIC! mountain conclave.
.
I own a 1/12th interest in a 3br place in Arrowhead, guarantees me 4
weeks a year, with trade privledges into Palm Springs, Tahoe, Hawaii,
and Vegas. Don't use it as much as I would like to so I'm trying to
sell it. If I still have it when you come out, maybe we can do it.
Msg #9356 Dated 0:20:04 07-23-91 9274 <--> 9395
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOS
No, I was referring more to the FORMAL published reports we see in
print. ALL of the reports that you all put on concerning PCAM, IBM,
SAM, and FISM have been critical and enlightening. If someone one
bad - it was stated so, if someone was good - it was stated so. No
fluff no BS - just the straight poop as seen through the eyes of
the reviewer.
.
It is the directness and frankness that exists on MAGIC! that gives
it its unique character.
Msg #9357 Dated 0:20:15 07-23-91 9275 <--> 9396
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
You are lucky it was just a fuse. Sometimes the most sensitive (and
most expensive) chips get fried before the fuse goes.
Msg #9358 Dated 0:20:20 07-23-91 9292 <--> 9370
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EGADS!
You also have the advantage of being able to stick a card to your
pants and make it transparent (the chameleon effect) when you use
green cards.
Msg #9359 Dated 0:20:27 07-23-91 9283 <--> 9385
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANKS FOR YOUR LOGIN
No way, we quit doing packet tricks. Probably do a zombie cracker
into a bowl of Castle Chili.
Msg #9360 Dated 0:20:31 07-23-91 9291 <--> 9371
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FAX
Thanks I'll check it out. Would also help during the day when I use
that line for testing modems and have to leave the FAX off.
Msg #9361 Dated 0:20:36 07-23-91 9334 <--> 9376
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Interesting question. The public seems to have a reasonably high-
regard for magicians, whereas magicians seem to have a low regard
for others in the art.
.
Magicians magicians are ones who do stuff that only other magicians
can appreciate, whereas some of the 'best' workers for most lay
audiences are the old chestnuts, that just play too well to thrown
away. If you do these for other magicians you are considered just
another hack.
Msg #9362 Dated 0:20:46 07-23-91 9337 <--> 9366
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Did you get my request for attending the 11th ? I'm not sure I sent
the request - I know I wrote it.
Msg #9364 Dated 0:38:22 07-23-91 9294 <--> 9365
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
I saw one of those too, recently in a used bookstore in the Valley.
What's the deal?
Msg #9365 Dated 1:09:08 07-23-91 9364 <--> 9375
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
Guess we'll have to see what T A says, but my presumption is that the
paperback of the Necronomicon is a complete fake.
Msg #9366 Dated 1:10:32 07-23-91 9339 <--> 9373
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Your two reservations for the MAGIC! Brunch for TOMMY WONDER are
now on the list. Haven't set the exact time yet - I plan to ask
Tommy what time h would like (I'd suggest around 10:30). What
additional info, if any, do you need?
Msg #9367 Dated 1:10:37 07-23-91 9345 <--> 9398
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
A friend of mine has one of those earplug acts as mike radios. I
use a regular one, and to me it always sounds like he is talking
thru his ear. If you really want to go out of your mind, have
the other party set their ear/mic unit to VOX and eat potato chips!
Msg #9369 Dated 1:10:50 07-23-91 9353 <--> 9378
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTESTS
The first time you mentioned the IQ test I felt it would be
obvious to any astute reader that you were stating that the tests
measured little more than the ability to do well on IQ tests _in_
_the_ _opinion_ _of_ _some_ _authorities_. Your second reference
is not so clear, so I hope you won't mind if I remind folks that
your analogy is based on the opinions of a subset of professionals.
Msg #9370 Dated 1:10:56 07-23-91 9358 <--> 9400
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: EGADS!
An excellent point! Guess the same card vanish would work with
my green shirts and green jacket. Thanks!
Msg #9371 Dated 1:11:01 07-23-91 9360 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAX
The ASAP TF 555 won PC Magazine's Editor's Choice. I've only done
some testing with it so far, haven't really used it in the heat of
battle, but outside of the possibility of a non-CNG fax (and they
get rarer every day) getting to the modem, it seems to work well.
I saw some of the units at a Comp-USA store the other day. I
believe the company that makes them is Command Communications Inc.
in Denver, Co.
Msg #9373 Dated 1:12:20 07-23-91 9362 <--> 9391
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Yes, you are on my list for the MAGIC! Brunch in honor of Tommy Wonder.
Msg #9375 Dated 1:22:20 07-23-91 9294 <--> 9386
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
There are two different versions of the NECRONOMICON out -- one edited
by Colin Wilson which is a lot of fun, and another put out by Magickal
Childe which is heavily influenced by Dee's Enochian Calls. There is
no known authentic Necro -- however, Lovecraft indicated it was a
translation or new rendering of an Arabic Grimoire called AL AZIF --
and something of the kind is known to have existed at one point; a
mixture of Sufi mysticism and Qabalah. It ain't out in paperback...
Msg #9376 Dated 1:31:23 07-23-91 9317 <--> 9381
From: T A WATERS
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
One of the primary reasons magic has changed so little is that many
magicians seem totally unaware of anything going on in the rest of show
business. Magic seems hokey to so many people because magicians are
not acting like other contemporary entertainers, but like the magicians
they saw when they were kids.
Msg #9378 Dated 1:41:23 07-23-91 9369 <--> 9379
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTESTS
And of course IQ tests are hard science compared to most projective
techniques and analyses...by the way, did you ever hear the definition
of a psychopath as a behavioral psychologist who takes it seriously?
Msg #9379 Dated 2:39:54 07-23-91 9369 <--> 9388
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTESTS
I was explicit in using the label "opinion" in bring it up. Along with
"a subset of professionals" it is also mine.
But if you would like to try to wrench an appreciation of the standard
IQ testing system into play, be my guest.
Msg #9380 Dated 7:16:27 07-23-91 9341 <--> 9402
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
I'll give Don a call today. He and I had a chance to talk some when
he came by Desert Magic. Wuz gonna give you a call yesterday, but
still steaming over the wood steamer working to get it right. Would
really like to find a retired magi/woodman who wood wanna do some
woodwork. Over 100 deg everyday for last 10 days and today to be
hotter still. Maybe I'll sweat some of this lard off finally. Thanx
for the info.
Msg #9381 Dated 7:16:36 07-23-91 9343 <--> 9387
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Seems to me that magi are held in higher esteem than muse generally
tho both are high callings. Generally music attracts a cadre of
individuals (generally, now) who are basically lazy and think that
it's an easy life (it ain't - well, actually if you're good, it's
not so bad), get to sleep late, etc. Of course, we know that to get
somewhere in any artistic calling takes mucho hard work, dedication,
etc. and LOVE for it and those who do achieve any kind of artistic
success have to WORK for it.
Msg #9382 Dated 7:16:45 07-23-91 9346 <--> 9403
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Your camera bag servante is a great idea.
Msg #9383 Dated 7:16:50 07-23-91 9355 <--> 9384
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
This sameness of props, performing conditions, etc would bring magic
contests into line with other amateur atheletic events. As Maven
suggests in the "apples and oranges" the winners now could possibly
be selected based on the prejudice of the judging staff for a
particular type of magic, etc. Also in line with the other amateur
sporting events, a sameness of dress could possibly eliminate
prejudice also. Maybe having the judges score into electronic
system with the scores being shown moments after each contestant
competes ala skating events or track and field or a "running start"
ala some auto racing events; a "speed" event based on the Vernon
Cups and Balls complete with patter. -F-
Msg #9384 Dated 7:17:02 07-23-91 9355 <--> 9405
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I wooden mind taking a ride to Arrowhead sometime. Hopefully my
wait on selling the Coole and Ancient Springs is almost over with
the coming of August. At that time I hope to dump some money into
Conjuror's Woodworks and sponsor my own contest. First prize to the
woodworker who can catch me up so I can take a vacation and do some
more hanging out; an event which I excell (along with "doing lunch.")
Msg #9385 Dated 7:17:10 07-23-91 9359 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THANKS FOR YOUR LOGIN
Or maybe a zombie eating a cracker.
Msg #9386 Dated 7:25:56 07-23-91 9375 <--> 9424
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
Thank you, T A. The one I saw was the Magickal Childe one. I didn't
know about the Colin Wilson one. I'm kinda glad that neither a real
Necronomicon nor the Al Azif is out in paperback!
Msg #9387 Dated 7:30:51 07-23-91 9376 <--> 9397
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
A delightfully interesting statement, T A! But is it really completely
true? Certainly, there must be some exceptions.
There are studies in education, by the way, that tend to show much the
same behavior about teachers. You put them through four or five years
of training in the latest educational techniques and as soon as they
enter the classrom they become a clone of their own third grade
teacher.
Msg #9388 Dated 7:38:23 07-23-91 9378 <--> 9389
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Hmmm... And, of course, there are the behaviorists (Skinnerians); they
don't know what a "psychopath" is. There are also psychologists who
say that the world is so crazy that only those who reject it, i.e.
"psychopaths," are sane.
Msg #9389 Dated 7:42:12 07-23-91 9379 <--> 9393
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Thank you, but I think I'll pass on attempting to defend the process of
IQ testing, at least in this forum.
Msg #9391 Dated 8:47:39 07-23-91 9366 <--> 9406
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Great! Can't wait to go. I'm not realy familiar with Tommy Wonder, but
any reason to go to the Castle is OK by me! Just let me know what time
you decide on and what name the reservations will be listed under.
Speak to you soon.
Msg #9392 Dated 9:13:14 07-23-91 -> 9410
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CLONES
Tabamous!
Talk about clones! I just came across something in one of those gift
catalogs:
HAIR TODAY, GONE TOMORROW WITH THE PONYTAIL CAP! Change your
straight-laced looks in a second by wearing this crazy cap that
sports a 12" long ponytail. Friends and relatives will say,
"I'm Just Wild About Hairy"! One size fits all.
B4360 Cap with Dark Brown Hair $12.98
B4361 Cap with Lt. Brown Hair $12.98
B4362 Cap with Blond Hair $12.98
One note: The illustrated cap is blue, not pink. Guess the clones
never can get it right.
Msg #9393 Dated 9:33:12 07-23-91 9353 <--> 9411
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTESTS
"Hey, anyone lose a blue pocketknife?" cold opening -- arrrggghhh.
Who does that? An approach I used was to walk up and say, "Has
anyone seen the magician here? No? Well he's around somewhere, uh,
does anyond have a Penny?" -- then I would go into the copper
silver using a Lincoln Penny and a Silver Dollar.
because standing slightly hunched over so you could work in their
hands (never sitting) would ruin my back and the next day I was
unable to stand up straight! (From a childhood back paralysis).
find that I disagree IN PART with both of you... however I also
agree IN PART with much of what both say. It is a difficult area
and hammering out discussions here is great. There will, I must
sadly say, probably NEVER be the correct solution for the contests,
since individual perceptions of what is right and what is good vary
so much...
useful purpose (as I mentioned before -- practice, exposure, a goal
to work toward, etc. etc.) but cannot be taken so seriously.
my theory "on a given day" -- that is what makes it so good. On a
given day a mediocre performer can be sparked to greatness. How
many times have you seen a great act (not knowing it was the only
time they were great) booked it and when they performed again were
absolutely ordinary? I saw a kid in Little Rock, Lucky Lem, that
absolutely KILLED the audience. He had a catch line "Looky There!"
and Seabrooke and I both went berserk over him... adding him to
Terry's act for a bit and he Killed there too. I recommended him to
Bill Larsen, they brought him out for the Awards Banquet show and
he DIED A HORRIBLE DEATH ON THE SHOW!!!! Different setting, away
from home, and so nervous he FORGOT his catch line, never said it.
devestated. He did great in a contest situation, but died in a
regular show.
I didn't recognize him. He said, "Remember me? I'm Lucky Lem. I
quit magic, but now make a good living in Vegas as a blackjack
player counting cards!"
Msg #9394 Dated 9:33:45 07-23-91 9354 <--> 9433
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUAN MAYORAL
I saw some of the TV Magic Olympics on a tape but for some reason
I don't recall Mayoral -- was there more than one show with that
title? Maybe it was edited? Hmmmmm.
Msg #9395 Dated 9:33:53 07-23-91 9356 <--> 9412
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DOS
I wuz teasin you bro.... I agree, the magazine reviews (especially
Ring Reports) tend to be fluffy BS to the Nth degree. If you can
ever get a copy of the Crandall books (Abbott published them) you
will read the greatest review writer in the history of magic.
Crandall was my idol and sometimes I wish I had the balls to write
the way he did. If an act was bad Crandall NAILED THEM TO THE WALL
with rusty nails and spit in thier faces!!! YOOO...
Msg #9396 Dated 9:34:04 07-23-91 9357 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MICHAEL WEBER
That was what I was worried about as the NOISE... A HUGE ZZZAAAAPPP,
scared the wee wee (or was it oui oui) out of me at the time!
Msg #9397 Dated 9:34:10 07-23-91 9361 <--> 9401
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Hack you very much. Hah. My laymen bag contains: Linking Rings,
Rope, Egg Bag, Card in Balloon, Half-Dyed Silk... wouldn't leave
home without it!
Msg #9398 Dated 9:34:17 07-23-91 9367 <--> 9425
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Salt Free pototo chips I hope....
Msg #9400 Dated 9:34:30 07-23-91 9370 <--> 9437
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EGADS!
I know a guy (not on MAGIC!) who could make a green card vanish
-- er not the Imigration type green card -- by holding it in front
of his teeth!
Msg #9401 Dated 9:34:37 07-23-91 9376 <--> 9643
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
I agree. I always tell up and coming folks that ASK MY ADVICE,
Watch MTV, go to concerts DON'T GO TO MAGIC SHOWS.
If you do go to see magic shows, just watch them to see what has
been done and if your taste level sees what COULD BE, not WHAT IS.
Msg #9402 Dated 9:34:46 07-23-91 9380 <--> 9413
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Thanks for FAX on Quinn. I bought the book a year ago, but the spine
is so bad I hesitate to open it. Should have held out to get a
better condition copy. Just scanned the section you mentioned (not
with scanner, just mine eyes) and it looks great. Can't wait for
yo package!
Msg #9403 Dated 9:34:55 07-23-91 9382 <--> 9404
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
You should try it. There are lots of subtle setups. The flap, that
you SIT ON, gives you a silent shelf when you are using a hard
wooden chair so you can leave/steal etc. with no noise. When you
get up the lid closes so no one sees the stuff!
Msg #9404 Dated 9:35:03 07-23-91 9382 <--> 9414
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
How you doin on the Poker dem deal?
Msg #9405 Dated 9:35:08 07-23-91 9383 <--> 9416
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You saw my plan! What I REALLY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET JOE STEVENS
TO DO IS HAVE "MANDATORY" SECTION, AND FREE SECTION.
Cups and Balls, Triumph and the Slydini Coins Thru the Table.
This gives you a skill level. If everyone has a year's notice it
should be no problem.
the first one and get the ball rolling!!!!
honed and WILL SOON BE PART OF THE SEMINAR.
Msg #9406 Dated 9:35:19 07-23-91 9391 <--> 9417
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Cindy... Tommy Wonder (aka Jos Bema) is one of Europe's most creative
and clever magical performers. He is also very insightful into the
theory, as you will see when he writes opinions, etc. here on
MAGIC!
recently seen your name here online -- so welcome! Have fun! And do
let us know the woman's opinions, please.
Msg #9410 Dated 10:33:35 07-23-91 9392 <--> 9439
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLONES
Egad. Tabman Clone Caps. My friend Dino at Nevada Bob Hdq just sent
me a half dozen new caps (4 pink and 2 gray) so looks like I'm still
me for a while.
Msg #9411 Dated 10:33:42 07-23-91 9393 <--> 9419
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTESTS
You know LUCKY LEM?
Msg #9412 Dated 10:33:47 07-23-91 9395 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOS
Banjo players are like that you know.
Msg #9413 Dated 10:33:50 07-23-91 9402 <--> 9499
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Package went out two day this morning. Got some photos of Coathanger
Wilson in there but he is toooo ugly for words. Also some other stuff
like yo Ventura books, special IBM poster, LibCong stuff, and some
other tabman bs. Will call Don McWethy this evening when it cools
down. My new helper for woodshop just came in so maybe now we'll
roll. Also, thanks to friend Bizarre Burton I too have a copy of
Quinn's faou ork. It's in bad shape, but checked with famous
book guy and he said the book was done using terrible paper, etc
and that's the usual condition.
Msg #9414 Dated 10:34:02 07-23-91 9403 <--> 9415
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
Yes, thats a super idea. Especially disarming with you since most
are conditioned to see a camera bag growing from your body. I have th
perfect bag too. Thanks again for the great idea.
Msg #9415 Dated 10:34:09 07-23-91 9404 <--> 9420
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
I work on it (poker demo) most every evening for a little while. It
is a great demonstration. I was practicing last week and Gloria (big
critic) came in and said, hey you goofed up. I did the Baltimore
shuffle and her eyes bugged. Also having fun with the Leipzig pass.
Msg #9416 Dated 10:34:17 07-23-91 9405 <--> 9480
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, a mandatory event might not be a bad idea. Our object is
to make good magicians, those grounded in the classics. How can one
avoid repeating the past unless one knows the past (I think TA Waters
said it best a few days ago).
Msg #9417 Dated 10:34:23 07-23-91 9406 <--> 9441
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Yes, I don't know where my manners have been lately. Too much heat
here on the right shelf I guess. Welcome.
Msg #9419 Dated 11:04:30 07-23-91 9411 <--> 9431
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Do you know Lucky Lem?
Msg #9420 Dated 11:05:46 07-23-91 9415 <--> 9432
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
We took the train over the Leipzig pass from Geneva to Paris. Great
run.
Msg #9421 Dated 11:06:25 07-23-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CONTEST REPLY
OK, here's my opinion of how to stage close up competitions.
First -- there must be a pre-screening via video tapes of
each entrant. The screening committee should comprise of known
experts in the field and should be at least four persons.
Second -- the ground rules MUST be known for at least six
months in advance.
Third -- the Jury must be well-qualified and include those
that know material, that know if it was a one way deck requiring
bluff vs. skill, etc. And if "originality" is a criteria only
knowledgeable jurists will know the difference.
Fourth -- there should be more than one category. Examples:
Overall effective act, original content, entertainment value,
skill value. Prizes would be for: 1: overall best act, 2: most
original material, 3: most skilled, 4: entertainer of the year.
And the Gold Cups -- for outstanding performer, one that shines
above the rest. If no one stands out, no Gold Cups.
Ground rules: If it is truly CLOSE UP and NOT "PARLOUR"
then, a table the size/shape and with minimal drape, just like at
the magic castle should be used, with two spectators seated
alongside. A special category could be established for Restaurant
Workers... and a dining room table, with setting and persons
seated in a real world situation MUST BE SUPPLIED. Spectators
will be there ahead of time selected buy the organizing crew.
Magician walks in, picks his part of the table to work and goes
for it.
In order to eliminate the Parlour type setting smaller rooms
must be used. Repeats need not be many, as the contests can be
taped and shown on big screens in other rooms. It is after all a
contest, NOT A SHOW FOR THE ATTENDEES of the convention. And like
the stage contests, the FINALISTS repeat for the attendees under
different viewing conditions.
There should, and I have suggested this to the powers that
be at FISM, a category for Parlour Magic - separate from close
up. And at FISM (we should adapt this as well) there is also a
category for CARD MAGIC only.
I agree with Mike Close that any act that rolls in and
stuffs things under the table, leaves, then comes back should be
docked points, and discouraged from doing so. The first time you
enter should be when the act starts. Who, in a real show would
walk in, fiddle about, put stuff under a table, LEAVE, then re-
enter? I am, like Mike, not knocking those that have done this in
the past -- because the practice has not been discouraged -- but
would like to see it eliminated. Sure, there are those that would
argue, well the stage performer gets to set up behind a curtain
before it opens.... OK, fine, lets vote. How many want a curtain
in front of the close up table?
Vallarino did a GREAT close up act at FISM using a
proscenium arch and curtain that he placed onto the table. But it
was just "walk up, set it down, lights within it came on, music
started and the little curtain opened and he performed. Sure it
wasn't restaurant magic, but it was TRUE CLOSE UP a magical
ballet with cards, and it all fit, and it was above the table, he
didn't fiddle ahead, just devised a very novel and clever setting
for his act. He wound up tied for 3rd. (Now I've gotten off the
subject, arrggghhh).
Probably nothing has or will be resolved right away... but,
ideas are spurting forth, which is good.
Oh, here's a good one. Mike Close... call Jerry Schnepp, who
is in charge of the contests, and VOLUNTEER to help, give him
your advice and time... getting into it will be the best way to
implement what is needed. I know on the stage judging for the
Gold Medal I advised him to seek more knowledgeable and "hip"
judges and Gary Kurtz was brought in. We need more guys IN ON THE
NEW WAVE OF MAGIC to start setting the standards... not the same
old dudes that like tuxedos and dove productions.
There is a funny thing I noted at FISM. There was a Ninja
ACT that was outstanding in skill, ideas, movement, etc. but he
got NO APPLAUSE or REACTIONS on his killer stuff. Why? Well the
audience didn't know the effects BECAUSE they were all new and
original. When a magic audience sees a Bird appear they
automaticaly applaud. Even tho they are NOT FOOLED IN THE LEAST
BIT. Every time I see an act tie two silks together and stick the
knot in their mouth, pull up and produce two birds (the audience
goes wild) I WANT TO CHOKE THE GUY WITH THE SILKS!!!!! Hey fools,
IT HAS BEEN DONE!!!!!!!
Anyway, back to the Ninja... the audience didn't know when
to react because they had no idea, from pre-conditioning, what to
applaud. Sure the guy was new with it and needs to think out some
pauses and applause cues... that would help. But it was a very
obvious SAD happening.
Well, I have just written another disjointed message, but
that's just me. Adios for now.
Msg #9422 Dated 12:55:00 07-23-91 9155 <--> 9423
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Frankly, I have always suspected that magic is the OLDEST profession,
my reasoning is that I suspect the con came first.
Msg #9423 Dated 12:55:10 07-23-91 9168 <--> 9427
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Max may be suggesting that after his "friends" saw what happened to
their material, it was more difficult to obtain the good stuff for
the later books. I recall a gag book cover that circulated at the
time. The book was by the author in question and simply titled
"Friends". The inside was blank pages.
Msg #9424 Dated 12:55:25 07-23-91 9180 <--> 9428
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
I find it almost impossible to stay awake during most magic videos.
Pete and I have discovered they are much better if one watches them
in fast forward...the speed of most of the performances then is
more nearly suitable. Books are best for me. I like being able to
select what I wish to read and not have to sit thru most of something
before I learn I didn't want it in the first place.
Msg #9425 Dated 12:55:42 07-23-91 9193 <--> 9429
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
I thought a colon was designed as an output device.
Msg #9426 Dated 12:55:48 07-23-91 9201 <--> 9430
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONV_91
Pete...I would suggest that you stick with Argh!...Henning has full
rights to use of "Wheeeeeeeeee".
Msg #9427 Dated 13:34:23 07-23-91 9422 <--> 9434
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Magic is the SECOND OLDEST. Being a Magic Dealer is the first oldest.
Bill... I made a math error on the FISM account. I mailed you the
corrected version with a refund check.
Msg #9428 Dated 13:35:37 07-23-91 9424 <--> 9483
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
I can't read without moving my lips... so I have to practice while I
read but then I forget what I said. Make sense? No? good!
Msg #9429 Dated 13:36:17 07-23-91 9425 <--> 9435
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Your brain is still in top gear. You should have gone to FISM and
watched over 150 acts... then you would lose your sense of humor!
Msg #9430 Dated 13:37:02 07-23-91 9426 <--> 9573
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONV_91
How many people remember Henning picking up the key from the floor,
during sub trunk, holding it up and "proclaiming" ... "THE KEEEEEEE!"
Msg #9431 Dated 14:09:55 07-23-91 9419 <--> 9446
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTESTS
No but heard of a blackjack player who sez "Lookey thar" everytime
he wins a hand.
Msg #9432 Dated 14:10:00 07-23-91 9420 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
I can imagine what a great train ride it would make. Close as I've
come is Great Britain, etc a coupla times on gigs. Did spend some
time in Asia though back around 1970 as USO tour mgr. Tokyo too.
Msg #9433 Dated 14:33:20 07-23-91 9394 <--> 9447
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JUAN MAYORAL
There were two Magic Olympics, held at relatively the same time as the
actual Olympics. First was in 1984, taped in Las Vegas; second was in
1988, taped in Atami, Japan. My guess is that you saw the special from
the first, not the second.
Msg #9434 Dated 14:41:37 07-23-91 9423 <--> 9448
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
The two jokes making the rounds some years back were that the title of
F.G.'s next book was going to be:
A. Million Dollar Lawsuits
B. Your Best
Msg #9435 Dated 15:16:41 07-23-91 9425 <--> 9481
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Depends on whom you talk to. Some do regard it as a primitive cereal
port.
Msg #9437 Dated 15:36:50 07-23-91 9400 <--> 9501
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EGADS!
I used to know a guy like that, only bigger -- he could do the same
effect with dollar bills. And he had a unique ending -- if anyone
laughed, he'd make blood appear from their nose.
Msg #9439 Dated 15:42:15 07-23-91 9410 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CLONES
Glad to hear it! Just wouldn't be a Tabman without a cap. Just was
watchin' one of the modems (a heavy duty Hayes 2400) goin' nuts here on
MAGIC! It wasn't acknowledging the systems "hey, you OK?" signal to
it.
Msg #9441 Dated 15:53:41 07-23-91 9337 <--> 9442
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Of course Tommy doesn't have to perform. I was just remembering all of
the messages about Zombie awhile back. I saved the ones he posted in
case I ever try to learn it.
I don't care if the only thing he has up his sleeve is his arm, I'm
just honored to be able to have brunch with him and everyone else.
Msg #9442 Dated 15:57:55 07-23-91 9349 <--> 9451
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
I am truly amazed Pete. I thought your love for the Zombie was only
approached by Evan Katz' love for quotation marks or Wayne Powers need
for Abbotts address.
So, how many of those floating teapots did you purchase? This I have
got to see!
Msg #9443 Dated 16:02:07 07-23-91 9338 <--> 9598
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FLASH!!!
Wayne, I won't be able to make it to the Abbotts convention but I was
wondering about Jim, Vic and Shag. From what you have said it sounds
like they have a tremendous act. Do they ever travel out to this part
of the country or do TV spots? If they are doing a different show this
year what were the highlights of last years show?
Msg #9446 Dated 16:58:05 07-23-91 9431 <--> 9502
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Could be the same feller!
Msg #9447 Dated 16:58:11 07-23-91 9433 <--> 9455
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUAN MAYORAL
I think it was the Las Vegas version. Tanks.
Msg #9448 Dated 16:58:17 07-23-91 9434 <--> 9456
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Now you're talking. Million Dollar Lawsuits is OK, but YOUR BEST,
what a gas! I'm surprised no one has really hit him with a big fuss,
but the stakes are too low, right....?
Msg #9451 Dated 16:58:41 07-23-91 9442 <--> 9463
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
The new version of Zombie that I have created uses the good old
plain round silver ball. Actually about 12 of them. Immagine, 12
zombie balls all at one time! Yar.
Msg #9454 Dated 19:07:23 07-23-91 -> 9458
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MESSAGES
You ain't sending enuf messages. Did I tell you I saw Bob Sheets in
Europe. He is busking over there for awhile. Wish I could do that. He
is a killer in those situations... Got to get in touch with Scotty York
in few days... will be in touch. Sending check etc. in Wed. Mail...
Oh, Jay Leno just called and he is doing a show up near here and left
me some tickets and said to come backstage and hang out! Great guy!
Msg #9455 Dated 19:15:46 07-23-91 9433 <--> 9491
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JUAN MAYORAL
I thought the magic Olympics was a good concept, Max. Will there
be another one in 1992?
Msg #9456 Dated 19:15:52 07-23-91 9434 <--> 9472
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
That's really too bad re: FG books since those particular ones were
well put together and quite usable.
Msg #9457 Dated 19:15:58 07-23-91 -> 9459
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BOOK MAIL
Ee;9430
Hi Jerry,
The book arrived today and I appreciate your thoughtfullness muy.
I opened it up (carefully) to the chapter on Faro and immediately
faxxed Pete the page. Where did you find it?
Msg #9458 Dated 19:33:39 07-23-91 9454 <--> 9460
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Scotty wanted me to tell you that he hasn't forgetten the stuff
ya'll talked about but he's been busy working on a report destined
to keep on board vapor recovery systems off of automobiles in the
future - whatever that means. He said he'll get up with you soon,
or he'll be home til Aug 3 so give him a call....
Msg #9459 Dated 20:06:53 07-23-91 9457 <--> 9484
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOK MAIL
I got mine from Byron Walker.
Msg #9460 Dated 20:07:20 07-23-91 9458 <--> 9470
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MESSAGES
I wuz thinking about Scotty only today. Looked over his secret
manuscript "Decanted" and was enjoying same. Got something super hot in
the works for Close Uppers... KILLER NEW WAY TO DO A CLASSIC THAT WILL
NAIL 'EM BADLY... HAVE A NASA TECHIE IN EUROPE WORKING ON IT. Will
sendyou a prive message inaminut... bah
Msg #9463 Dated 20:16:29 07-23-91 9441 <--> 9473
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Tommy's message from here was expanded upon and published in Square
One. I'm really looking forward to meeting him in person.
Msg #9470 Dated 21:24:03 07-23-91 9460 <--> 9529
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Scotty is doing a big show August 3 (he thinks, will lemme know) and
if it comes off will call Wells the Great and see ifn he and Becki
wanna meet up with Glo and me to Tex-Mex and then go see Scotty do
his stuff for real people - sorry the laiety. Have one mo half gal
of BS in the freezer and he's gonna come over and sample it maybe
when Bob Sheets getz back from across the big pond.
Msg #9472 Dated 21:40:44 07-23-91 9423 <--> 9513
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Interesting...
Msg #9473 Dated 22:05:40 07-23-91 9451 <--> 9474
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Orbiting Zombie balls? A bald performer could imitate the sun and
planets!
Msg #9474 Dated 22:06:50 07-23-91 9463 <--> 9476
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
I got my copy of Square One a week or so ago. I was wondering if it
(Tommy's article) was written here first and then expanded on for the
book or if it was written for the book and then condensed for Magic!
Msg #9475 Dated 21:39:32 07-23-91 -> 9485
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY
I received two interesting monographs in the mail today. One is
Stephen Minch's "From Witchcraft to Card Tricks: Notes Toward an
History of Western Close-up Magic (1584 - 1897)" (Seattle, Wa.:
Hermetic Press, 1991). A nice dedication to Max Maven and Ton Onosaka
in the front. If you are interested in magic history (and as Minch
points out in the Introduction, if you are interested in magic, you
certainly should be interested in magic history) you will probably
enjoy this 29-page overview. I got "hooked" and simply sat down and
devoured it. Well written and informative to the novice historian.
The second book may be of particular interest to JERRY BURTON: Minch's
"Lovecraftian Ceremonies: Seven Occult Dramas for the Magickal
Performer" (Waldwick, New Jersey: Bob Lynn, 1979, available from
Hermetic Press, Seattle). In the Introduction, Minch wrote, "This
slight volume may well be of the most esoteric nature ever written on
the subject of magic (magic referring in this case to the
non-preternatural type). It is a bastard blending of the subterfuges
of the magician - or perhaps more properly, magickian - with the horror
fiction of the eminent genre-stylist, Howard Phillips Lovecraft.
Hopefully, this septuple litter of mongrels will have some appeal or
comeliness to an admittedly small and may I plead discerning, coterie
of readers." (After reading that I turned to the end of the
introduction to see if it had been written by someone else - perhaps
MM, perhaps TAW, but nope, seems to be Minch). In the right hands (and
I'll tell you right now, they'd BETTER BE the right hands) the seven
"Ceremonies" in this 40-page booklet could REALLY warp the minds of
those who seek converse with Cthulhu. The Fungi from Yuggoth has the
formula for a "coal garden," something I've wanted for a long time,
ever since I was about 8 years old and used to listen to Jean Shepard's
midnight radio program on WOR. I remembered the basics, but didn't
know ammonia could be substituted for the water/laundry bluing mixture
- for me, that paid for the book. Fungi aside, the seven (!)
Ceremonies are very well thought out, very well put together, and very,
well, Diabolical.
Incidentally, the package arrived very quickly and inside was a letter
from Stephen - he felt I'd sent too much postage, so he was returning
some - in cash!
Msg #9476 Dated 22:11:53 07-23-91 9474 <--> 9492
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
In the frontpiece to the book, Max stated "A preliminary version of the
Tommy Wonder essay appeared on the MAGIC! computer BBS." Tommy's
upload of the article was in response to a question, here on MAGIC!,
from a young man in, I believe, rural Minnesota.
Perhaps Tommy will have more to say about it at the Brunch. (HINT TO
OTHERS: If you want to attend the Brunch, August 11th, in honor of
TOMMY WONDER - LET ME KNOW NOW! Reservations are going fast!).
Msg #9477 Dated 22:36:06 07-23-91 -> 9493
From: MICHAEL CLOSE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTESTS
You and I are on the same side on this Max, since we have spoken about
this subject on several occasions. The point I was making about
Slydini, (as if you don't know the point I was trying to make), was
that if someone of his incredible ingenuity wanted to win a contest
under the most stringent performing conditions - he could have...and he
would have come up with material that would have moved close-up magic
forward and which would have proved to be valuable for those of us who
are trying to make a living here in the trenches.
Re: sitting down or standing. I had a conversation with Veckey about
this at Illusions on Tuesday night. The point is, of course, this: with
performers like Eugene, or Don Alan, or _any_ pro, they perform seated
because they prefer to, not because they _have_ to because of the
restrictive nature of the material they perform. I prefer to stand, and
my reasons are several, the main one being one of audience management.
I never know who the assholes are going to be at table. If there is one
(or two) I would like to shift the performance area away from them. If
you are seated and you discover that the guy next to you is a jerk,
what do you do? Get up, move your chair (stool) and sit back down? At
least by standing I can shift my performance area in the guise of
allowing everyone to get a good view of the performance. I'm sure you
understand what I mean.
I thought it was a big mistake for Albert to enter the Las Vegas
contest. He had what had to be one of the greatest close-up acts of all
time, he did not need to prove anything. All he did prove is that an
act that works and kills in real life can look not so hot in a contest
setting. I really wanted him to kick butt, and was very disappointed
that he was not at 100% that day.
Re: IQ tests. What does a drummer get on his IQ test?------Saliva.
I will be out of town for a few days, but I look forward to reading
more interesting stuff concerning the contest situation.
Msg #9479 Dated 22:54:27 07-23-91 -> 9487
From: MICHAEL CLOSE
To: ALL
Re: ILLUSIONS
I am uploading a small article about Illusions. I felt that this might
be of interest to the members of the board. It's called Illusions.txt.
I will be out of town for a few days but will catch up with everyone on
Saturday.
Msg #9480 Dated 23:27:18 07-23-91 9405 <--> 9515
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Of course, Pete, if you have that kind of contest, with compulsories
and optionals like the Olympics -- then you're kind of implying that it
is simply a skill rather than an art, aren't you? The most magical
performer I ever saw was Torchy Towner -- and he was far from a
technician, didn't do closeup (to my knowledge) at all...
...so what, exactly, IS a magician?
Msg #9481 Dated 23:36:56 07-23-91 9435 <--> 9537
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Drink the water in Mexico and it increases the baud rate of the
port as well.
Msg #9483 Dated 23:37:05 07-23-91 9424 <--> 9512
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEO OR ??
I just bought the latest JVC video player that has a continuously
variable forward/reverse knob. Its like having a laser disk for
tapes. You can crank it up fast forward to get to a point you wish
to review and then use the inner control to move essentially a frame
at a time, WITH NO FLICKER. It's great for getting the right position
down pat. You can then instantly back-up and do it again, and again,
- it makes video a very strong tool.
.
It's like a having a series of still photos - its model JVC HRD970U.
Check it out, it may change your mind regarding video as a teaching
aid.
Msg #9484 Dated 23:37:16 07-23-91 9457 <--> 9516
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOK MAIL
In a used bookstore in CT, they have a ton of stuff in there - only
got to spend a few hours. I just love climbing up to the ceiling to
find old treasures. Am glad to hear it's something you might like,
I thought you were into gambling stuff - so you got it.
Msg #9485 Dated 23:37:21 07-23-91 9475 <--> 9486
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY
Sounds like my kind of book. I'll check it out. Where did you get
yours ?
Msg #9486 Dated 23:49:36 07-23-91 9485 <--> 9488
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY
I got Lovecraftian direct from Hermetic Press. I saw an ad in Linking
Ring and since the "From Witchcraft To Card Tricks" was a signed
limited edition I immediately shot an order off. Lovecraftian is $12
plus $2 postage and Witchcraft is $10 plus $2 postage, but apparently,
if you order both you only need to include a single $2 postage.
Hermetic Press, Box 20383, Seattle, Wa. 98102. It is very possible
that BURT CARPENTER can get it for you, I just acted on impulse.
Msg #9487 Dated 0:07:25 07-24-91 9479 <--> 9535
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: ILLUSIONS
Thanks for the article, Michael. I'll have to get back to Indiana
sometime just to stop by for dinner.
Mike's article, describing Illusions Resturant, is now in the MAGIC!
File area. It is named:
ILLUSION.TXT
His other recent article, on magic contests, is also in the MAGIC! File
area. It is named:
CONTEST.TXT
Msg #9488 Dated 0:15:42 07-24-91 9486 <--> 9533
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY
P.S. - You might mention that you read the review here on MAGIC! -
Could help get Stephen to use his modem.
Msg #9491 Dated 1:23:03 07-24-91 9455 <--> 9518
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JUAN MAYORAL
My guess is that there won't be, although there's a possibility. The
producer, Sawada by name, used to have a weekly series ("Kao-Meijin
Geki-jo") which had a variety format that changed each week. This meant
he used a lot of magicians, in addition to comedy, music, juggling and
so on. The Magic Olympics were part of this series. He's still
producing variety specials, but no longer on a weekly basis, for a
combination of reasons. The likelihood of his mounting another Magic
Olympics strikes me as slight, given the elaborate preparation that was
required for the previous two.
Msg #9492 Dated 1:26:22 07-24-91 9474 <--> 9514
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
The sequence went as follows: Tommy's first public airing of his ideas
on Zombie were BBS-posted, here and (I presume) on the Dutch board.
When I agreed to do the "Square One" book for Stan Allen, I promptly
faxed Tommy and asked if he would be interested in expanding the essay
for inclusion in the book. Shortly thereafter, he faxed me the larger
essay, which I edited (which means, essentially, polishing the very few
rough edges to his quite eloquent English). With Tommy's approval of my
alterations, the piece went to press.
Msg #9493 Dated 1:29:20 07-24-91 9477 <--> 9534
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Agreed. Certainly any top pro who may prefer sitting performance could,
if need be, do a strong set standing. (Slydini, after all, had a fine
repertoire of non-lapping material despite his preference for that
mode.)
Msg #9495 Dated 6:47:22 07-24-91 9215 <--> 9496
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TROPHY
I did, in fact, not see said message regarding the pyramid trophy.
I now understand why the hotel has sent me a bill for $500. I do not
feel deserving of such high honor. Please bestow said honor on
Olga with my warm wishes and sincere compliments.
Msg #9496 Dated 6:47:37 07-24-91 9227 <--> 9497
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TROPHY
Pete...plz see my message to el Sysopio regarding the Pyramid award of
merit and excellence. Anyone that puts up with you is far more
deserving of the award than me. Besides it may improve EAST-WEST
relationships.
Msg #9497 Dated 6:47:49 07-24-91 9241 <--> 9542
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TROPHY
I found you the box...just deliver it.
Msg #9498 Dated 6:47:55 07-24-91 9250 <--> 9716
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I certainly agree that successful competitors design performances to
win contests - close up and/or stage.
If I understand what you mean by "real close-up magic" then such a
thing is nigh-on impossible to present at any major magic convention.
In fact, we (I.B.M.) designed an entire event just to aid in the
presentation of the close up shows. As you know we call it the Big 3
and it involves the presentation of 3 events at the same time on 3
consequentive days. This divides the crowd into thirds. We further
divide the close up third into thirds again by presenting the close
up in three rooms. The fact that only 52% of the registrants attend
close up allows up to have an audience of 75 or less in the close up
rooms. That is not "real close up magic" or the kind of thing done
with no more than a few people. This was even more of a problem when
we did close up contests at the DMS. Even more than I.B.M., it was
the parlour performances that scored most heavily. I don't know a
solution if one truly wishes to present close up that is limited to a
dozen or so people in the audience.
However, one might also consider that a good performer should be able
to work the crowd within reasonable limits.
Msg #9499 Dated 6:48:40 07-24-91 9284 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST ARTICLE
You might want to consider including Peter Samuelson in your list of
"snowstorm" greats. He has certainly researched the effect more than
any current presentator of whom I know.
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