MAGIC! - 40 The following was compiled from the magician's message section of MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! is an electronic communications system for magicians. It may be accessed from any personal computer with a modem by dialing US 818-896-7450. Access is free, except for normal telephone company charges. New registrants must leave a comment with their name, address, phone number and a brief resume of their magic background to be considered for membership. The material herein should be treated as confidentially as other magic information. Copyright 1991 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved. Msg #9500 Dated 6:48:50 07-24-91 9293 <--> 9543 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES Yes! Book acts for SLC!!! Msg #9501 Dated 6:48:56 07-24-91 9322 <--> 9555 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: EGADS! Maybe some good recipes for frogs legs would help prevent the plethora. Msg #9502 Dated 6:49:04 07-24-91 9330 <--> 9544 From: BILL WELLS To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X) Re: CONTESTS Why will paying judges insure competence? I wholeheartedly agree that better judges are part of the solution to better results for contests but I fail to see how paying them is necessarily going to achieve that objective. A possible approach might be to separate the selector of the judges from the poor soul who must organize the contests. With more time to devote to the selection, one might be able to identify better people. Then we could always take the approach we utilize for the DMS and let the audience vote. Msg #9503 Dated 6:49:34 07-24-91 -> 9545 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: RESPONSES TO LOST MESSAGE Let me see if I can pick up on some of the messages that got lost... #8586 - re the Crayborgue defense system... It being awhile since I had a Tachyon, I had nelected to consider their rate of movement in postulating my theory. I am sure El Tabbo will welcome any additions to the National Library of Crayborgue. #8590 - re Swiss mementos Most interesting! I look forward to a public exhibition of the Swiss memorabilia someday. I would think the "Rockwatch" would be just the thing to wear while being a selected spectator in a pickpocket act. Too bad you didn't go to FISM and look up some of your old business associates. #8591 - re the Lichtman contributions to software I am sincerely impresed! Such acceptance of your efforts must be very rewarding to you. I am currently attempting to upgrade myself on the newities of Lotus 1-2-3 version 2.3 which I just purchased. You probably are a version 3 power user. I am thus far quite favorably impressed with version 2.3 and the enhancement in the printing capabilities. This should improve my reporting of I.B.M. finances considerably. #8593 - re the good service of the Stouffer's Staff I would agree that the Stouffer's hotel staff was super. In fact, that was one of if not the best hotel staffs in my 14 years of being involved in I.B.M. conventions. I knew the site would be favorably accepted. It was similar to our 1984 Norfolk site only twice better. Salt Lake City should be low key and friendly. Families can visit the natural wonders of the area. We should have a nice "down to earth" atmosphere. Msg #9504 Dated 6:51:14 07-24-91 -> 9546 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: RESPONSES I will try to lump some of the message responses that got lost in the great message base quake of '91... #8595 - re Johnny Gaughan Johnny is indeed a gentleman and one of those few people that make Magic a worthwhile endeavor. He travels to this area more often than you might expect. #8598 - re CEMK Thank you. I also look forward next year to both I.B.M. and DMS. Buffalo (and I now assume Rochester) were indeed great fun when I used to go. However, I think I will live with my memories for awhile longer before returning to the area for a magic convention. In the meanwhile, I will anticipate the on-the-spot reports of Tabman on the scene. #8599 - re jobs at conventions for the Tabman Le me know anytime you want to try any other areas. Presently trying to get a thinktank type weekend set up for a few key people to brainstorm where we are and where we are going with magic conventions. #8600 - re the aura of Biro So whatdaya think the suit and tie did to his aura? I think it was undiminished in brillance, but I did hear him complaining about it being stiff and sore the rest of the week. #8601 - re wives and First Virginia Families I am truly impressed. A wife that goes out looking for magic goodies for you and fresh grown farm goodies! Life should be so good for us all! Man, your folks must REALLY have been craved on that statue. Which of the three boats were they on? #8604 - CMEK; #8605 - LOC I have heard nothing but excellent reports from all who have attended over the years....including the years in which they had the "exotic" dancer. Keith has given up on trying to get me to attend after trying hard the first two or three years. It used to conflict with the I.B.M. board meetings. I look forward to the holler. BTW...speaking of things you have for me...did you intend to leave that photo in the envelope with the copy of "Toast to VMI"? It is of a most strange visage with a strange pattern of baldness. I thought you might have left it there to ward off evil spirits...sure scared the hell outa me! Let me know if you need it back. Msg #9506 Dated 6:55:19 07-24-91 -> 10053 From: BILL WELLS To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: TV Message #8638 and your question if the Roggin's Heroes show had been viewed from the viewpoint of the magician... I am not quite sure I understand what you mean. I tried to assume something of a magic viewpoint in expressing concern over exposure of tricks. However, I would hope that magicians submitting tapes would also exercise some judgement in not sending tricks gone wrong which also expose the trick. Insofar as how the magician's image is impacted, again I would assume the submitters would be able to display some judgement on what they submit. However, I would also think that magic, like most all other disciplines, should be able to laugh at itself. I might also mention that I told Dick Kohlhaffer (Kohl and Company) about this show since his act is perfect for such a presentation. Msg #9507 Dated 6:56:40 07-24-91 -> 9707 From: BILL WELLS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: SCIFI #8647 - re what SciFi novels T.A, Waters has written CENTERFORCE is teh effort to which I referred. I highly recommend it to all who haven't read it. Your "odd tragedy" description is most interesting. I will now attempt to find PROBABILITY PAD in one of the old book dealerships that I frequent. I suspect that unlike most on this electronic party line, I knew you first via the science fiction rather than the magic. That may well give you a much higher standing in the warped Wellsian admiration listings than would the magic. Thanks for the information. I wish you would write some more SciFi!! Msg #9508 Dated 6:57:36 07-24-91 -> 9568 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: WHATEVER #8735 - re P&T on Geraldo and "nothing worthwhile happening" I fail to see how anything with Geraldo could produce anything worthwhile. I still remember my misfortune of having to be interviewed by him when he was on "Good Morning, America". I came off OK, but is was like having to pick up a slug. Msg #9509 Dated 6:58:16 07-24-91 -> 9559 From: BILL WELLS To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES #8684 - re Close Up Conv in Vegas and You can't do it from Kansas Methinks there may be another message in that statement. Joe does the DMS from Kansas doesn't he? Anyhow, I will check it out with Joe at my first opportunity. My recollection is that the first effort may not have been a financial success, but we will see what's happening. I must be older than you. I remember 360K floppies being a major storage for a PC. Msg #9510 Dated 6:59:10 07-24-91 -> 9547 From: BILL WELLS To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: TV TAPES #8614 - re what will Roggin's Heroes pay? I have no idea what Roggin's Heroes intends to pay for tapes but I do recall they said they will pay. My guess would be that they would pay magicians whatever they pay other submitters for tapes. My only role in this is to act as a bearer of the message. I had hoped it might bring some magician some money and some visibility that could produce future success. I would assume that any who would submit a tape would have the good sense to first negotiate an acceptable arrangement regarding payment. If the payment isn't suitable then they shouldn't submit the tape. At any rate, I have passed the message on in a number of directions and am now out of the picture. Give 'em a call and see what they are willing to pay. Msg #9511 Dated 7:00:09 07-24-91 From: BILL WELLS To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X) Re: CONTESTS Mike - a few comments on contests and your article on the I.B.M. close up contest. I am quite sympathetic to your concerns. However, a contest is hardy a normal setting. There is little difference between stage and close up contests in that many perform material designed for the contest that a working performer might not perform. However, neither the I.B.M. stage or close up contest require practicality as a condition of winning. Nor have any of the contests presented at the Desert Magic Seminar. That is not to say that such a condition might not be worth considering, but only that it is not a present condition or standard. The I.B.M. Gold Cups and the I.B.M. Gold Medal are presented for Excellence in the Performance of Close Up Magic and Stage Magic respectively. There are no other conditions. Each year the judges make a decision if they feel any performance should be awarded the Cups and the medal. They don't tally up points or check off a list. It is a very subjective thing. However, a judge is called that because they are supposed to exercise judgement and that is in itself a very subjective process. A contest will never reflect anything but a snapshot of the conditions of the moment. One act might win one day and fail miserably the next. I personally dislike contests very much. I dislike competition of that sort. However, I was on a committee of one in the late 1970's to create a world class award for the I.B.M. that would offer the potential for development into an award of the same or higher standing as the FISM Grand Prix and the British Ring Shield. The present I.B.M. Gold Medal is the result of about two years of discussions with the Board of Trustees. It was first offered in 1980 at the Evanville Convention and was won by Lance Burton. As Max has pointed out, there were no contests or awards of any note in the USA until that time. Quickly, the DMS followed with the Loin's Head Awards and big cash prizes and others followed suit. The purpose was to stimulate excellence in performance of magic and to attempt to bring American stage performance up to the level that European stage performer were viewed as holding at that time. I believe we may have made some progress towards that purpose. Following the apparent success of the Gold Medal, I then presented the concept of the Gold Cups Award for Close Up to the Board. They were first offered and won in 1981 by a young man named David Williamson. You might be interested to know that my original idea was to hold the preliminary selection almost as an audition with no staging, lights or sound. A bare room with only the judges. However, the attendees at the Evanville convention were so put out at not being able to witness the preliminary performances that I had to abandon the idea and have the prelims on a stage with full audience. I didn't want the audience to see the acts twice, I should have known magicians don't seem to care. Personally, I feel the major weakness with most contests (including the I.B.M.) lies in the selection of the judges. Too often, people are grabbed at the last moment. Quite often, the judges have very little knowledge of magic and may not even recognize outright theft of effects and/or routines by contestants. The I.B.M. requires at least two lay judges involved in drama, theater or a related area for the Gold Medal Competition but not for the preliminaries. I suspect DMS has hit on a good solution in having the audience vote for the winners. I was not able to see the close up contest in Baltimore. However, I did get to see a special performance of Giovanni's act. He was a likeable young man with a distinctive style. He was entertaining and I enjoyed the performance. However, in my opinion, it was not a Gold Cups caliber act. From discussions with others, I am lead to believe there were other close up acts that might have been of Gold Cups quality but I didn't see them. I don't agree that restrictions or conditions are the solution at all. In fact, I don't know that I would agree that there is a problem in the terms you describe. I do think that the judging needs to be of a higher standard and more consistent...but a contest will always be a contest and the decisions will also reflect a judgement call. Some will like the outcome and some will not. I appreciate your taking the time and effort to voice your thoughts, I wish that more people would do so. I hope Howard will publish your comments, but since the LR doesn't have a letters to the Editor column or an Editorial Page, I am not sure where he can put it in the magazine. Msg #9512 Dated 7:22:06 07-24-91 9483 <--> 9538 From: STAN LAKE To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: VIDEOOR ?? Darn it! I just bought another VCR specifically for watching my tapes and instructional videos. I wish I'd known about that JVC model sooner! Msg #9513 Dated 7:27:16 07-24-91 9472 <--> 9570 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Scotty will be (maybe, he'll letus know) Casey's on August 3 for a two year anniversary of bar opening. If it works out maybe the four of us can meet up that evening for a few laughs. Will give ya'll a call. Msg #9514 Dated 7:27:22 07-24-91 9476 <--> 9524 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER What happened to that young man in Minnesota? Is he still with us? Msg #9515 Dated 7:27:26 07-24-91 9480 <--> 9536 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You certainly aren't implying that art doesn't require certain skill I'm sure. Is figure skating simply a skill? Of course not. The art is in the interpretation. Is art the melding of skill and heart? I think so. The more skill that the artist has at his/her disposal the greater the freedom to express that inner feeling and under- standing. An answer for which no question has been asked. One can certainly point to those exceptions in art where there has been little evidence of skill, only massive doses of heart. Imagine what these rare individuals could have done had they possessed the skill of a technician in addition. Skill without heart (soul) is merely an exhibition of that skill. Obviously mechanical to the eye of the artist. The more skill possessed by the artist, the greater the art. Msg #9516 Dated 7:27:37 07-24-91 9484 <--> 9520 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: BOOK MAIL I wish we had had more time at that bookstore across from Hollywood Magic last time I was out. I do love old books and would enjoy such an outing again. When I catch up with everybodies stuff I'm gonna take another trip west as a reward. If DC wasn't such a pain to visit I'd go booking more. Msg #9518 Dated 7:27:51 07-24-91 9491 <--> 9549 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: JUAN MAYORAL Orchestrating an event like the Magic Olympics must of been a large task certainly. Would imagine that each one took some time to organize. We were part of the 1984 Olympiad in Los Angeles and the excitement generated by such an event is contageous. It would be a shame to use so powerful a concept as Olympics in conjunction with Magic and not to continue. I hope he carries if forth. Msg #9519 Dated 7:37:10 07-24-91 -> 9522 From: STAN LAKE To: ALL Re: THIS WEEK AT THE CASTLE Last night I went to the Castle and found the turnout remarkarbly light even for a week night. I found out the entire evenings performances were being given by the top junior magicians in the juniors club. It was odd to see a 14 year old appear from behind the curtain in the closeup room but he displayed exceptional skill with cards, coins, AND the audience despite being visibly nervous. The Palace featured half a dozen short acts instead of the usual 2 or 3 and what a treat it was to see the final act- Topaz, the FISM winner for manipulation. I don't recall how well he was received by our Magic! commentators but he was really hot last night. Great stage personna and someone you liked the minute you see him start his act. Full of energy and originality I'm glad I caught his act! If other Castle members were not planning on attending this weeks performance give it another thought. I was impressed! Msg #9520 Dated 8:12:25 07-24-91 9516 <--> 9521 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Re: Used bookstore across from Hollywood Magic - do you know the name? I've got a half-empty bookcase just waiting to be filled! By the way, thanks for the welcome to the line message! So far, everyone's been real friendly. Hope to meet a bunch at Magic Castle Aug 11. Msg #9521 Dated 8:15:18 07-24-91 9520 <--> 9523 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Also, saw your message re: book with Faro shuffle. What book? I can't find any with reasonable directions. Msg #9522 Dated 8:35:11 07-24-91 9519 <--> 9661 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: THIS WEEK AT THE CASTLE Topas was great, wasn't he... If anyone can get his attention, I would really like to get in touch with him... an address from him would be good too... I want to get him for another convention. Msg #9523 Dated 8:36:20 07-24-91 9521 <--> 9548 From: PETE BIRO To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: BOOK MAIL It wasn't the Faro Shuffle tab was referring to, but the game of FARO. The Faro Shuffle is covered in many books by Marlo, etc. Why not post a message to Max Maven, here, he can really get you aimed in the right direction. Msg #9524 Dated 8:37:43 07-24-91 9463 <--> 9531 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Fly up here Tommy the Wunderkind is in San Francisco until the first week of August when he heads to smog angeles....yar Msg #9529 Dated 8:38:15 07-24-91 9470 <--> 9562 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MESSAGES Sounds good to moi! Wells MUST sample the BS... (Brunswick Stew, that be)! Hey... why not sell the recipe to help MAGIC!? Msg #9531 Dated 8:38:31 07-24-91 9473 <--> 9532 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER WHAT IT IS... IS... Zombie balls keep appearing around the edge of the cloth... 3 per surface, 12 in all... chasing the Wonder Worker around, finally taking over and he falls from exhaustion. Msg #9532 Dated 8:38:37 07-24-91 9474 <--> 9552 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Leave a message for Tommy, he's in san franciso and gets online from there. Ask the source! My guess it was written here in reply to a question/thread we had initiated. Msg #9533 Dated 8:38:44 07-24-91 9475 <--> 9540 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Another Gene Shephard fan, eh.... har.... Worked with him on some car articles yars agooooo..... ho Msg #9534 Dated 8:38:50 07-24-91 9477 <--> 9541 From: PETE BIRO To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X) Re: CONTESTS Bass Solo? Msg #9535 Dated 8:38:54 07-24-91 9479 <--> 9539 From: PETE BIRO To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X) Re: ILLUSIONS Michael me bucko... if an article is only 20-40 lines, upload it as a regular message. It is easier to get and all will read. Most do not go into the files and download file material. Be in tuch. Msg #9536 Dated 8:39:00 07-24-91 9480 <--> 9666 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Well, I guess you could say a Magician (as opposed to a Conjurian) is someone that does things that are (supposedly) unexplainable by the viewers. A juggler, if he can juggle, say 24 balls, does not fool, people know you toss em and catch em.... But a magi makes a spoon bend, move or float, finds a card... he is a mojo man... The casual viewer doesn't worry or think if it is ART... he/she is more often, merely amused. And yep, we are judging skill in one phase... art in another (the freestyle) -- its just another activity for a convention... an attempt at being different, breaking new ground, selling tickets, you name it. Having just witness the amazing one armed Rene Lavand, I would even suggest a competition for the "hot guys" to work with one arm only. Msg #9537 Dated 8:39:18 07-24-91 9481 <--> 9572 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER What about the baud rate of Sherry? Msg #9538 Dated 8:39:22 07-24-91 9483 <--> 9571 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: VIDEO OR ?? Is it under $75.00? Msg #9539 Dated 8:39:26 07-24-91 9487 <--> 9592 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ILLUSIONS david, why not move illusion.txt into the reg message file? Msg #9540 Dated 8:39:31 07-24-91 9488 <--> 9564 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Just got a nice letter from Minch... if a certain party gives us the OK, some AWESOME material I have will see print. (From a secert file....yep....!!!) Have been holding it back for 20 years! Msg #9541 Dated 8:39:37 07-24-91 9493 <- From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: CONTESTS No question that Slydini had the material. He could baffle anyone anytime anyplace. If you had ever visited his NY apt, you would know he had several secret devices built into the place... his ability would suss out any situation. At one point he asked me to help him write a book on how to misdirect a Mugger! We never did get together on that (geographically bad spacing!) . The Goshman show was compounded by the ONE disaster that can, and does happen, a BAD spectator assisting. Once going into the hole on that one Albert got nervous. First time I had ever seen him when he was NOT IN TOTAL CONTROL. Msg #9542 Dated 8:39:51 07-24-91 9496 <--> 9553 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TROPHY I guess we will have to ask him to SIT ON IT... The trophy? Msg #9543 Dated 8:39:56 07-24-91 9500 <--> 9554 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES How much money do I got? Msg #9544 Dated 8:40:00 07-24-91 9502 <--> 9596 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS I think Mike was referring to the acts Paying Off the judges. I told a number of competitors at the FISM that I was ready and willing to be bought off! Msg #9545 Dated 8:40:06 07-24-91 9503 <--> 9731 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: RESPONSES TO LOST MESSAGE It won't be "down to earth" if I get the acts I am seeking! Olga will come and KILL, and the three, er four... Soviets, Kil, Danalin, Vernonin and the nude linking ring gal (didn't get her name) will make the Ed Sullivan show appear pale by comparison! Msg #9546 Dated 8:40:14 07-24-91 9504 <--> 9557 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: RESPONSES OK wells what is this "aura" crap. I have several $600-800 suits, its the shoes that I don't like! If, as David Lee Roth sings, I can find "sensible shoes" you guys are in for a real treat! Rememer, I used to be an artist rep in the well-dressed capital of America, San Francisco. Note: In Paris last week (name drop) all the fashion houses, for men, showed UGLY GREEN SUITS... OH, SORRY FROG... HONEST... all the new stuff was in various pukey GREEN. Msg #9547 Dated 8:40:26 07-24-91 9510 <--> 9597 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TV TAPES My guess is they will pay only what they HAVE TO.... SCALE. Msg #9548 Dated 8:40:30 07-24-91 9516 <--> 9550 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL You should go to ACRES OF BOOKS in Long Beach, Calif., and/or Holmes Books in Oakland, Calif. Yarrr Msg #9549 Dated 8:40:36 07-24-91 9518 <--> 9567 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: JUAN MAYORAL Taboman... the Magic Olympics was really not much of an ORGANIZED "event" as a fake Olympic TV special... much ike he Awards fiasco seen here recently from Universal and Australia.. only the Japanese version was much better and didn't have all the NON-Magic stuff from celeb guests (at least the one version I viewed). And, about 10 years ago I brought 20 of the worlds top magi (Kaps, wessely, Topper, etc. etc.) to Japan for another "fake" Olympic type event (Channing was involved with me too) that was a strictly for TV event... with the Gold Medal ceremonies, etc. at the end. Heck... we could do it here. You can name anything you want. Just like Boxing... we could have weight classes, etc. etc. et al, ad infinitum ad nauseum, ad Brunswick Stew and Road Kill Pie! Msg #9550 Dated 9:37:38 07-24-91 9523 <--> 9560 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Thanks for the help! I'll give that a try! Msg #9551 Dated 9:38:38 07-24-91 -> 9653 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: FARO SHUFFLE, ETC According to Pete Biro, you're the man with the info I need. I'm trying to get my card sleights up to snuff. I've been away from magic for about 10 years and have been badly bitten by the bug once again. Anyway, I keep reading card tricks in my old magic mags that refer to the Faro Shuffle, various Marlo sleights, and, of course, that old favorite, the Elmsley Count. I understand a lot of Elmsley sleights are in Tarbell, so I'm going through that book by book. Is there any one book (or books) that you could recommend to help build a better foundation of these obviously commonly used sleights? I know there are a bunch of books by Ed Marlo around, but any in particular that you might feel is the best? Any direction you might be able to point me in would be greatly appreciated! Msg #9552 Dated 10:12:04 07-24-91 9514 <--> 9613 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER I assume he's still here. Some of our younger members drop in and out, depending on their parents moods and the date that the phone bill arrives. One of my long range dreams for MAGIC! is to find a way to have "scholarships" to cover part of our younger member's phone bills. Msg #9553 Dated 10:20:30 07-24-91 9495 <--> 9728 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TROPHY E-gads! You mean the thing didn't belong to IBM??? Yipes! P.S. - Maybe the hotel hasn't missed it yet? I think the $500 was for the lovely set of souvenier towels that the Biro wanted. Msg #9554 Dated 10:26:16 07-24-91 9500 <--> 9614 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES I thought he'd already done some booking for SLC - I know he's got Dave Williamson for stage. Msg #9555 Dated 10:27:24 07-24-91 9501 <--> 9740 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: EGADS! I'm not sure I know how to put this so that you will know that I'm not kidding, but in regards to message #9501, there are some levels of depravity to which I ask even respected members of MAGIC! not to sink. Msg #9557 Dated 10:40:24 07-24-91 9504 <--> 9558 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: RESPONSES No, I thought you'd appreciate the photo I left in the envelope with Toast to VMI. Found some addl VMI memorabilia for you also. Sometime when you think of it do check to see if they want a nicely framed copy of Bulldog's muse. Will be calling you in a few days re: visit to yo area around Aug 3 to maybe (if he's doing it) catch Scotty at Casey's and I know Glo would like to catch some Tex-Mex if we can all zig at the same time. Msg #9558 Dated 10:36:16 07-24-91 9546 <--> 9565 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES My signature green is not pukey green. It is upper class green and is considered the only proper shade of green by those who are sartorially aware. The color you are refering to is probably chartreuse. Msg #9559 Dated 10:40:32 07-24-91 9509 <--> 9569 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES Wish I had mo time to give you a lengthy response to your "old responses" right now but just in for lunch and wanted to try'n catch up with stuff. Trying to get caught up with the tables so I can go have a different kind of fun. Msg #9560 Dated 10:40:39 07-24-91 9520 <--> 9561 From: TABBY CRABB To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: BOOK MAIL I don't know the name of the bookstore, but it was David Lichtman and Burton The Bizarre who took me by the hand and led me across the street. I'm still wondering why they made me lie down in the middle of the road for 15 minutes. Msg #9561 Dated 10:40:44 07-24-91 9521 <--> 9566 From: TABBY CRABB To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Actually, I was referring to the old gambling game FARO. The Faro Shuffle (with cards, not the dance) was born of the need to cheat at this particular game. You can find information on the Perfect Faro Shuffle in Hugard and Brae's EXPERT CARD TECHNIQUE. Msg #9562 Dated 10:40:49 07-24-91 9529 <--> 9577 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES Am working on another fund raising angle for MAGIC! Gloria was asked to contribute a recipe to a new Olympian Cookbook and she thinks the BS recipe is too good to tip. Since it's her's I guess we'll have to hold it close. Msg #9564 Dated 10:41:01 07-24-91 9540 <--> 9590 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Secret File!! I can hardly wait. Msg #9565 Dated 10:41:03 07-24-91 9546 <--> 9615 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES Actually, it was me who started this "aura crap" but I guess you missed it since you were lolling in the Swiss Alps. I said, that "Biro's aura is so bright, I could see it during the solar eclipse the other day". Now, are you satisfied. Msg #9566 Dated 10:41:09 07-24-91 9548 <--> 9585 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BOOK MAIL We'll visit Holmes Books when I come out to visit Walnut Creek. Msg #9567 Dated 10:41:12 07-24-91 9549 <--> 9658 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JUAN MAYORAL Another try at capitalizing on the Olympic Aura, eh? Well, it sounds good. I'd really like to see something real done with it. I'm sure that Max's involvement was real anyway regardless of the intent of the promoters. Msg #9568 Dated 10:46:59 07-24-91 9508 <--> 9738 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: WHATEVER I agree with your feelings toward Geraldo. A long time ago, when he was first starting out, he did do one significant show, an expose' of conditions in a facility for the mentally retarded. The show was named "Christmas in Purgatory" and was responsible for drawing considerable attention to the problem. Still, it was based on the standard muckraking approach. Msg #9569 Dated 10:52:11 07-24-91 9509 <--> 9604 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES 360K floppies? You don't remember 320K floppies? and how about the first IBM PC's - the diskette drives were optional, the standard storage medium was an audio cassette. I'd advise you to be cautious - I believe that both Jerry and I can remember programming using wire boards and _mainframes_ with 32K. Msg #9570 Dated 10:54:50 07-24-91 9427 <--> 9574 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I stand corrected on the performance of magic being the SECOND oldest profession. Does this mean magic collecting is the third oldest? Re the math and FISM account. You need to run that by JLN. I only record stuff and can't OK any of it. I don't know what the agreement was between you two. Msg #9571 Dated 10:55:06 07-24-91 9428 <--> 9583 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEO OR ?? I can just imagine what happens when you let your fingers do the walking. Msg #9572 Dated 10:55:14 07-24-91 9429 <--> 9575 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER -MY brain has long been in need of a transmission...it is currently stuck in whatever gear it was last shifted to... I doubt I will ever go to FISM as I have absolutely no interest in watching 150 magic acts. I have enough trouble watching the 30 or 40 I must sit through at the I.B.M. and DMS. What sense of humor? Msg #9573 Dated 10:55:31 07-24-91 9430 <- From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONV_91 What that before or after the hop? Msg #9574 Dated 10:55:36 07-24-91 9434 <--> 9576 From: BILL WELLS To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I don't remember the "Million Dollar Lawsuits", but I do remember "Your Best". Wasn't HL a co-author on that one? Msg #9575 Dated 10:55:44 07-24-91 9435 <--> 9582 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Enuf! All Right..All Ready! Uncle! I yield... ....however could it be regarded as a parallel port in the fairer sex? Msg #9576 Dated 10:56:01 07-24-91 9448 <--> 9584 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION It was a very large fuss at the time....and I believe FG was quite taken aback by it. However, few of the current crop of conjurors can cogitate that far in the past. It very definitely firmly established a reputation for FG. Msg #9577 Dated 10:56:14 07-24-91 9454 <--> 9578 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES I have tons of messages, but every time I use IMP and do up a bunch, the message base gets lost and then my IMP messages won't work, so I have to convert 'em...then like a dummy I leave blank lines in my messages and the upload goes screwy. I think I am now back somewhere up to par or at least only 3 or 4 weeks behind. Bob showed me his schedule and even a street map showing the places he would be working...it was all set up in advance. He was really excited about it. Couldn't be happening to a nicer guy. Whatdaya need Scotty for...can I help? Letme know if you need phone numbers? See other message re check, etc. Need to run all by JLN who is on vacation at Lake House this week. Should be home on Sunday night. Msg #9578 Dated 10:56:44 07-24-91 9454 <--> 9579 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES Leno is a great guy! He is working Ocean City in the near future. I am almost tempted to make the 3 hour drive over to catch him. I still regard our visit with him as one of my all time Vegas highlights. Real Class! Msg #9579 Dated 10:56:56 07-24-91 9458 <--> 9580 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MESSAGES Yeah...he was working all weekend on the report...even called me to get some info on EPA and the Clean Air Act. He should be up for air by this weekend. Msg #9580 Dated 10:57:06 07-24-91 9460 <--> 9581 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES "secret" manuscript????? Msg #9581 Dated 10:57:12 07-24-91 9470 <--> 9606 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MESSAGES Letme know details re York reeely big sho ASAP as I got to take the boys to Scout Camp on 8/3 but might make special effort to drive back in time to catch that if possible....not the magic show, I am talking about a chance to meet Glo and go Tex-Mex (got a new place I want to try in old town called the Austin Grill...got a decent write but is very Yuppie Tex-Mex from the sound of it). Msg #9582 Dated 10:57:29 07-24-91 9481 <--> 9593 From: BILL WELLS To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER I can see that I mistakenly awakened some dark hitherto slumbering monster that I should have had the good sense to resist the temptation of punning about.... Msg #9583 Dated 10:57:39 07-24-91 9483 <--> 9711 From: BILL WELLS To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: VIDEO OR ?? That sounds like an excellent machine...I already have a beta and two VHS players...maybe I could get a JVC for the bathroom. I agree that feature would certainly enhance using the tapes to learn something, does it also capture whatever is being said during the frame and put it into a little balloon for you? (grin) Msg #9584 Dated 10:58:52 07-24-91 9472 <--> 9620 From: BILL WELLS To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION The two titles Max remembered were just as interesting... Msg #9585 Dated 11:02:45 07-24-91 9520 <--> 9616 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: BOOK MAIL I believe it is Book City or something to that effect. The entrance is not very imposing, but the store behind it is massive. The quality and quantity of the magic section varies greatly from day to day - it is often quite small. I suspect that anyone who wanders in on the right day, when it is large, tends to buy it out. Their prices vary considerably, but, so far as I know, they will not negotiate. Msg #9590 Dated 11:17:31 07-24-91 9533 <--> 9591 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Yep. He was great (Shephard). When I was about 8 to 9 years old, I connected earphones to my radio and used to slip under the covers and pretend to be asleep while I listened to his show. I've always remembered the basic recipe for the "coal garden" (the "Fungus" in Minch's Lovecraftian) but couldn't remember the proportions of stuff. I've seen some commercial versions for kids, but always felt they lacked class. Hard to say how much I learned in those midnight sessions with Shephard, but it was a bunch - more than I guess an 8 to 9 year old should have. Msg #9591 Dated 11:22:05 07-24-91 9564 <--> 9608 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Yep, secret file. Pete's had some stuff hidden away in a SEALED ENVELOPE for 20 years. I believe it is on the upper left side of his main bookshelf. Msg #9592 Dated 11:23:24 07-24-91 9539 <--> 9720 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ILLUSIONS I guess the Mike's Illusions article could be moved into the message base - I'll take a look at it. I think that basically Mike was sensitive to the "commercial" aspects of the piece and was following the basic MAGIC! rules for commercial matterial - Ads, catalogs, etc. go in the files area with a single reference to them in the message base. That way we don't have "junk mail." But I think that Mike's item on Illusions is OK for message base. Msg #9593 Dated 11:27:19 07-24-91 9537 <--> 9594 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Sherry who? Msg #9596 Dated 12:02:55 07-24-91 9431 <--> 9609 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTESTS I think I've played at the same table with that guy! Yup, he said, "Lookey thar" everytime he won a hand. He had another catch phrase everytime he lost, but it's not printable here. 'W. Msg #9597 Dated 12:21:07 07-24-91 9510 <--> 9733 From: WAYNE POWERS To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TV TAPES Thanks, Bill. I agree and would hope that anyone who is thinking of submitting a tape would first contact the production company and inquire about suitable payment if the tape is used. 'Wayne. Msg #9598 Dated 12:24:57 07-24-91 9443 <--> 9773 From: WAYNE POWERS To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: FLASH!!! I'm almost positive that Jim, Vic & Shag have yet to appear on the West Coast. If they've performed here, I've never heard about it and have missed them. The highlight of last year's show for many was their "Coverless Sub Trunk." It was a killer. I don't know what they've got up their collective sleeve for this year, but I'm sure we'll get a full report/review from attending MAGIC! members. 'W. Msg #9601 Dated 13:05:20 07-24-91 -> 9712 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: ALL Re: SPEED COURSE DUTCH MAGIC!-NL Wed 24 Jul 91 21:12 Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg: I understand some of you are going to have a fun brunch next week Sunday with Tommy Wonder. You must understand, as beinng typically dutch, misses the dutch 'gezelligheid', and feels desperately alone so far away from home. I though, to make him feel home again, I give you a quick lesson dutch, so you can entertain him in dutch, or keep the conversation rolling, in the case it stucks. So here are your first lines to study.... Can you show me your zombie....laat me jou bal eens zien Who takes care for the little tweetie bird at home???...wie past er nu op je kleine fladderaar??? Who the hell is that 'Arnaud'.....wie in godsnaam is die sysop van jullie daar in Nederland Would you mind showing me a cardtrick??....Mag ik er eens een bij je trekken?? OK, that's it for lesson one. Veel plezier en eet smakelijk... --- * Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0) --- Msg #9602 Dated 13:05:32 07-24-91 -> 9654 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: JAPANESE VIDEO COMMENTS MAGIC!-NL Wed 24 Jul 91 21:24 Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg: Max, Allow me to query your knowledge of the japanese language. I regulary receive videotapes with japanese magic shows, and each time I am heavuly bothered by the nasty habit of the Japanese commentators to talk while the performer is doing his act. Stage magic or close-up....they don't care are keep on talking My question to you is what kind of comments are they giving?? - is it descriptive - do they say how they think the trick works - do they give technical comments??? I also wonder what the japanese magicians think about those comments. Do they think it adds value to the performance??? Are you also informed how those comments have started. I have a lot of tapes from a lot of countries but on none of them they talk during the acts. Really appreciate your answer..... --- * Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0) --- Msg #9604 Dated 14:36:10 07-24-91 9569 <--> 9611 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES My first real computer was an IBM 360-20 which had been upgraded to 8K. The second one we had was an IBM Systems 3 with the dainty punch cards. Then we got disks. The drive needed a forklift to move it arou nd. I used to put a credit punch in my 80 col phone bill and send it back. So there. Msg #9605 Dated 14:36:17 07-24-91 9575 <--> 9644 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Holey mackrell! Msg #9606 Dated 14:36:20 07-24-91 9579 <--> 9607 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES He did say sumptin about Bill and the EPA last night on the phone. Msg #9607 Dated 14:36:23 07-24-91 9581 <--> 9621 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES If you're going camping that night we can do the Austin Grill another night. Glo used to be a Yuppie so she will be delighted to attend such a meeting. Will call. Msg #9608 Dated 14:36:29 07-24-91 9591 <--> 9612 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY The main frame? Msg #9609 Dated 14:36:32 07-24-91 9596 <--> 9656 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTESTS I'm trying to get up another blackjack trip for the early fall. I have to travel for a meeting (place yet to be decided) around Labor Day and will vote for Los Angeles (if I get a vote). Msg #9611 Dated 15:05:41 07-24-91 9604 <--> 9628 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES OK, you win. But you do realize that that makes you older than the rest of us. Msg #9612 Dated 15:06:44 07-24-91 9608 <--> 9627 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Yep - I believe it is on the main frame. 'Course, now that he's moved, there's no telling where he has it as he has probably networked his bookshelves. Msg #9613 Dated 15:37:12 07-24-91 9552 <--> 9668 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER I'm only 11 years old, do I qualify? Msg #9614 Dated 15:37:16 07-24-91 9554 <--> 9729 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES Stage Illusion! And keep it quiet, please! Msg #9615 Dated 15:37:20 07-24-91 9558 <--> 9618 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: RESPONSES No it is PUKE green. Wait 'til you see 'em. Arrrgggghhhhh. Msg #9616 Dated 15:37:23 07-24-91 9560 <--> 9619 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Maybe they were waiting for a component to a Road Kill Recipe! Msg #9618 Dated 15:37:35 07-24-91 9565 <--> 9633 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: RESPONSES Aura right, I get it.... hargh.... from the tune "My Future's so Bright I gotta wear shades?" ... just got horrible call, my photo assistant in hospital with brain tumor suspected. Operating tonite. Pray....pray....pray.... Msg #9619 Dated 15:37:43 07-24-91 9566 <--> 9631 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Your Room is Ready! Msg #9620 Dated 15:37:47 07-24-91 9570 <--> 9657 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION He said GO, WE PAY.... Msg #9621 Dated 15:37:51 07-24-91 9577 <--> 9622 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES iF YOU WILL, just fax ole jim the invoice i sentcha... Don't need Scotty, he just was going to get some info to me and I am sure it will happen. I don't want to rush him. Later... Msg #9622 Dated 15:37:56 07-24-91 9578 <--> 9623 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES Let me know if you are interested to go to Ocean city... can put in a word ala Caesars scene if you know what i meen. Msg #9623 Dated 15:38:02 07-24-91 9580 <--> 9624 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES Yep at least 200 pages, handwritten from the man that counts! Msg #9624 Dated 15:38:05 07-24-91 9581 <--> 9635 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES You guys don't know what Mexican food is... you gotta come with me to the El Nido in San Felipe or the Fonda in Mexico City.... Msg #9627 Dated 15:38:21 07-24-91 9591 <--> 9630 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY You peeked! Har... Msg #9628 Dated 15:38:25 07-24-91 9604 <--> 9629 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES My first computer had to be kick started. Msg #9629 Dated 16:17:30 07-24-91 9611 <--> 9636 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES Is that in dog years? Msg #9630 Dated 16:17:33 07-24-91 9612 <--> 9688 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY I'm going to hate (well, maybe a little) myself for saying this but in this case Pete's LAN stands for Literary Area Network. (Sorry) Msg #9631 Dated 16:17:37 07-24-91 9616 <--> 9634 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Arrggghhhh! (I can't believe I finally gave in and did it). Msg #9633 Dated 16:17:46 07-24-91 9618 <--> 9641 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES Praying bro. Hang in. Msg #9634 Dated 16:17:49 07-24-91 9619 <--> 9639 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BOOK MAIL I'm not coming to west coast again unless I can make my way north to visit with you in Walnut Valley Acres. Msg #9635 Dated 16:17:53 07-24-91 9621 <--> 9642 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES If I might buttt into ya'll conversation. Scotty sed, he hadn't forgot your stuff, he's just working on a report. Something to do with saving the planet. Msg #9636 Dated 16:17:58 07-24-91 9628 <--> 9637 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES That's nuthin. My current computer had to be kicked yesterday. Frog knows. Msg #9637 Dated 16:53:12 07-24-91 9629 <--> 9638 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES Light Dog Years.... Msg #9638 Dated 16:53:27 07-24-91 9636 <--> 9648 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES Yeah, but is it butane powered? Msg #9639 Dated 16:54:07 07-24-91 9631 <--> 9659 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL hhhgggrrA Msg #9641 Dated 16:55:25 07-24-91 9633 <--> 9650 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: RESPONSES Just got call from guy at Hospital and it might be a bad infection and NOT A TUMOR... WILL KNOW MANANA.... ONE MO PRAY.... Msg #9642 Dated 16:55:57 07-24-91 9635 <--> 9651 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MESSAGES I WANT HIM TO SAVE ENUF PLANET FOR ONLY THE GOOD GUYS.... NO PRBLEMO Msg #9643 Dated 16:46:19 07-24-91 9320 <--> 9646 From: RANDY LUND To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Max, I think you miss my point. If we look at music for example around the turn of the century you see several classes of music. In the 90 odd years since then we have seen, big band, rock and roll, rap, electronic muzak and many other forms. If you look at dance as another example in the last 90 years at the new forms it has taken. The gap in style/invention call it what you will is far greater in other forms of entertainment than it seems to have been in magic nor was it my intent to run down any specific performer. I enjoy very much watching Copperfield or Blackstone (who I will see at Abbotts in couple of weeks) But I do think that if you look at any magic performance given around the turn of the century and look at one given today, individual styles aside, there is far less variation than in other entertainment formats. I don't think you'll find the degree of difference in styles that come close to the difference between say ballet and break dancing or classical music and rap. And in this area is where I raise my questions. Where are our electronic guitars/Chuck Berry's etc. etc. The real pioneers of new and radically different ideas. Were still turning out classical orchestras, albiet very good ones, some like the Philadelphia philharmonic, some like the Boston Pops, but still recognizably orchestra's. . My challenge, to myself as much as to any one else to to come up with a magical equivalent to trends found eleswhere. . Randy Msg #9644 Dated 16:59:33 07-24-91 9323 <--> 9690 From: RANDY LUND To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Yea, but in 1955 they didn't have kids walk * talkys...and I walked 5 miles trhu the snow to a one romm school house, etc, etc......Randy . More seriously I finished 1000 flyers tonite and I'll be taking them down to Colon on Sat. . Randy Msg #9646 Dated 17:02:46 07-24-91 9343 <--> 9647 From: RANDY LUND To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Seems to me we have the equivalent of that garage band here on MAGIC!. WE have people like yourself, Tabby et al who are experts and people like David, myself and others who are amateurs and maybe, just maybe we have the critical mass to get something truely new and revolutionary going....seems worth a try. . Randy Msg #9647 Dated 17:05:53 07-24-91 9376 <--> 9655 From: RANDY LUND To: T A WATERS (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Great!!!!!!!.......now lets see if having identified an area for further work we can come up with something. I answered comments by Pete and Max on this subject that further explain what I see as the problem...Should be fun... Randy Msg #9648 Dated 17:44:54 07-24-91 9638 <--> 9737 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES No. Powered by methane gas made from manure. Msg #9650 Dated 17:45:02 07-24-91 9641 <--> 9683 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES Still praying bro. Msg #9651 Dated 17:45:06 07-24-91 9642 <--> 9662 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES Wouldn't it be something if something weird happened and only good guys were left on the planet. Say, did you see the news. Some astronomer guys discovered a planet orbiting a pulsar somewhere near the center of the galaxy. About the size of earth. Msg #9652 Dated 18:04:30 07-24-91 -> 9691 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: TEXT READING PRG Or anybody... who knows the best software for scanning text? OCR type? My pal visiting here just got a 486 mit HP Scanner... appreciate any inforation... good or bad? Later Msg #9653 Dated 18:37:42 07-24-91 9551 <- From: MAX MAVEN To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: FARO SHUFFLE, ETC The Jerry Mentzer "Counts, Cuts and Subtlety" which was recently touted by David Lichtman is the single most comprehensive source for the type of card sleights that have been in prominent use during the past couple of decades. Many of the Marlo sleights can be found in a single volume, "M.I.N.T." which is a collection of his work in "New Tops" magazine over a lengthy period, during which he first published a number of what are now fairly standard techniques. I'm not at all sure why you're interested in learning the Faro Shuffle, as its application is rather specific. There are several books which explore it, by such as Marlo, Swinford and Fulves, as well as the seminal series of articles by Elmsley which ran in the "Pentagram." Msg #9654 Dated 18:44:23 07-24-91 9602 <- From: MAX MAVEN To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: JAPANESE VIDEO COMMENTS Unfortunately, those annoying comments are quite standard in Japanese television. It has a cultural basis in the Japanese focus on group identity -- at least, that's my theory. In fact, even in the era of silent movies it was standard in Japanese movie theaters to have a man standing next to the screen providing commentary. What is particularly annoying is that, for the most part, what they are saying is quite meaningless. Often it is something like, "Gee, I wonder what this magician is going to do with that red cloth?" or, "Oh, what a surprise it was when that bird appeared just now!" Most of the Japanese magicians I know also dislike these needless comments, which are distracting. In my work with Japanese television I have not been able to put an end to this habit (although I will take credit for influencing the producers to do less editing of acts; they used to cut them into little pieces). The one thing I have managed to do, occasionally, is to provide some background information concerning the performers and/or the routines, so that at least sometimes the voice-over comments have some actual informational value. Anyway, I think you are lucky not to understand what they are saying; it is more annoying to know. Once in a while, however, there is a very funny comment. My favorite was during a video of Doug Henning, when Debby Henning was dancing around on stage. The commentator said, "My, she's exuberant -- but then again, she's an American!" Msg #9655 Dated 18:51:46 07-24-91 9643 <--> 9854 From: MAX MAVEN To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL The issue deserves far more comment than I have the time or inclination to offer at the moment, but consider that the magicalumpen has a tendency to reward sameness and shy away from radicalism. Consider the results of the last Magic Castle stage awards... Msg #9656 Dated 18:53:26 07-24-91 9502 <--> 9673 From: MAX MAVEN To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS I believe I was the one who brought up the idea of paying judges. I certainly agree with you that paying them is not going to guarantee competence, but it is worth doing for two basic reasons: first, some sort of financial offering (if only a registration and hotel room) is likely to attract a larger number of competent people. Second, if judging is to be done correctly, it will require a combination of hard-earned expertise and significant effort, which quite simply deserves some sort of compensation. Msg #9657 Dated 18:55:52 07-24-91 9570 <--> 9660 From: MAX MAVEN To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I've always considered magic to be the third oldest profession. Msg #9658 Dated 18:56:40 07-24-91 9549 <- From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JUAN MAYORAL There was nothing "fake" about either Magic Olympics special. The situation was made clear to the viewing audience: various performers from assorted countries were invited to compete in an international contest of stage magic. There was never any attempt to suggestthat threwa ay official tie-in or sponsorship from the actual Olympics. Your comparison to the International Magic Awards is inapt; the Japanese shows were legitimate contests. So, your statement that "the Magic Olympics was really not much of an organized event" is nonsense. I spent far too much time involved with the organizing of them to let your comment pass... Msg #9659 Dated 19:42:19 07-24-91 9520 <--> 9664 From: STAN LAKE To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: BOOK MAIL I was in that bookstore just today and if they would have had more than three books on magic I would have remembered it. It's quite large and has just about everything else but I was looking for magic only. I think Tabby was impressed with the large section on gambling. Msg #9660 Dated 19:46:26 07-24-91 9657 <--> 9675 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I can't stand it Max. I've got to know what #2 is. Msg #9661 Dated 19:46:37 07-24-91 9522 <- From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: THIS WEEK AT THE CASTLE I won't be going back to the Castle again this week (I've already been twice) but I will call them tomorrow and see if I can leave a message for Topas(z?) to give me a call so I can relay your message. In case I am successful you might want to leave me your number. Msg #9662 Dated 19:54:10 07-24-91 9651 <--> 9665 From: STAN LAKE To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MESSAGES I heard it was ten times the size of earth. Whatever- it was bound to happen. Too much universe out there to hold just nine planets. Msg #9664 Dated 20:09:37 07-24-91 9659 <--> 9667 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Ah Stan, You've just given me the clue. The second oldest profession must of been gambler. That's the ticket. You are right, they had a lot of books on gambling when I was there. Actually I have interests in many things related to my interest in magic which is most consuming. For instance, they had many books on furniture design, earth sciences biography, woodworking, etc. I do remember that they had a reprint of the Hopkins book which some consider to be a worthwhile text on antique magic. I guess I'm too grounded in the past, but that's just me. The future seems to be in good hands anyway. I'm just happy and proud to be here. Msg #9665 Dated 20:10:18 07-24-91 9662 <--> 9727 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MESSAGES I guess here in Washington they scaled it down to the size of Earth. I like ten times bigger better. Msg #9666 Dated 20:17:14 07-24-91 9416 <--> 9676 From: TOMMY WONDER To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I think the idea of a mandatory section is not a good thing. It has not a lot to do with being a good magician or not, if one is capable of doing a few mandatory sections. Also a really good magician would be able to do such things in such a way that there would be no way to tell what the skill level is. This feels to me as a rather incestual thing(sorry for the strong wording, it is not meant that strong, but you know what I mean). Msg #9667 Dated 20:18:47 07-24-91 9664 <--> 9674 From: STAN LAKE To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL David says that they have varying quantities of magic books available from time to time so I will make more frequent trips to that book store. Is there anything in particular you would like me to look for? I glanced through the spiral bound FG book on Super Subtle today at the Castle Library and it does seem a worthwhile addition to my library. If anyone would care to part with one for a price, let me know. Msg #9668 Dated 20:25:37 07-24-91 9474 <--> 9669 From: TOMMY WONDER To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER IT was written here first and then later rewritten for Square One. Just got a stroke of writing fever after reading a few messages concerning zombie here on the board. Msg #9669 Dated 20:28:01 07-24-91 9531 <--> 9681 From: TOMMY WONDER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Cannot wait to see you do that Pete! Remember that I do expect from you that all 12 balls will have definete aand different characters I can relate to! Wishing you luck! Msg #9673 Dated 21:20:09 07-24-91 9609 <--> 9684 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTESTS I'll probably be up North until after Labor Day. 'W. Msg #9674 Dated 21:23:55 07-24-91 9667 <--> 9677 From: MAX MAVEN To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Book City in Hollywood is rarely supplied with other than pedestrian magic books. They're better stocked in other areas, but their prices are usually nonsensical. Msg #9675 Dated 21:24:53 07-24-91 9660 <--> 9689 From: MAX MAVEN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Well, you know the first. Logically, the second must have been advertising. Msg #9676 Dated 21:26:00 07-24-91 9666 <--> 9680 From: MAX MAVEN To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I don't think your wording was too strong. Msg #9677 Dated 22:00:54 07-24-91 9674 <--> 9682 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Well, you certainly said what I was saying, and in less lines. Have you looked thru their rare/first edition room as well? Msg #9680 Dated 22:16:02 07-24-91 9666 <--> 9693 From: TABBY CRABB To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Msg #9681 Dated 22:16:21 07-24-91 9613 <--> 9719 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Well, I guess you have pointed up a major flaw in the plan. If we created scholarships for young people, everyone would suddenly change their age. Perhaps we could find a reasonably accurate way to verify? Msg #9682 Dated 22:16:26 07-24-91 9667 <--> 9687 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BOOK MAIL I've been looking in vain for Sharpe's NEO MAGIC. Msg #9683 Dated 22:16:26 07-24-91 9615 <--> 9685 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES Chartreuse IS puke green! Or darn close to it. In any event, I am unlikely to be seen in any shade of green other than the one I already wear. Well, two years ago at the DM costume party, I did wear green earings that were a slightly different shade (St. Patrick's Day and all that) but they were killers (painful - they had terribly designed clips on them) and I am not likely to wear them again. Msg #9684 Dated 22:16:29 07-24-91 9673 <--> 9692 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTESTS It looks like one of the primaries will be in Japan over Labor Day so the meeting may well be after anyway. Will letcha know. Msg #9685 Dated 22:16:31 07-24-91 9618 <--> 9732 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES Argh! (tm - Biro). Our thoughts will be with your photo assistant. Msg #9687 Dated 22:16:34 07-24-91 9674 <--> 9722 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: BOOK MAIL I agree on the pricing, thats why I didn't buy anything while I was at Book City. Msg #9688 Dated 22:16:38 07-24-91 9627 <--> 9706 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Think about it, Pete. I was never in your old house, or your new one, or anywhere in between. Msg #9689 Dated 22:16:39 07-24-91 9675 <--> 9725 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Advertising, that's too good. Msg #9690 Dated 22:16:42 07-24-91 9644 <--> 9772 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER I was refering to 1955, Randy! I was nine at the time and used to hang around army/navy surplus stores, junkyards, etc. To be absolutely honest, I did make phones out of cans and string and last week in my son's school they did the same thing. By the way, you say you went to a one romm school house - that must have been after 1955 - my school house had four rooms, but no ROMS. Now, of course, you practically can't find a school without at least one ROM. Really great about the flyers and much appreciated. Will be looking forward to your Abbotts reports Msg #9691 Dated 22:16:49 07-24-91 9652 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TEXT READING PRG I've been using ReadRight from OCR Systems. At first I was having a lot of trouble with it, then I found out my scanner was dirty. RR worked a lot better after cleaning the scanner. Still, not as good as I'd like. There have been some reviews in the computer magazines on various OCR products. From the little I've heard, the top dog is OmniPage Professional from Caere Corporation, 100 Cooper Court, Los Gatos, Ca. 95030 - (800) 535-SCAN. Not cheap, but supposed to be as good as they get. Msg #9692 Dated 22:16:54 07-24-91 9656 <--> 9730 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS I almost hate to bring this up, but is there any pre-training session for the judges? Some sort of short session on things to look for, what the different criteria on the form mean, etc.? Msg #9693 Dated 22:20:37 07-24-91 9666 <--> 9708 From: TABBY CRABB To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT From what I've been able to gather, most pros don't feel that magic contests have a lot to do with being a good magician anyway. I spent over two decades in the professional music business, the last as a professional manager and always advised my clients as they were breaking in NOT to enter contests since there is no way to gauge how any judging staff is going to vote anyway and to loose, and sometimes badly, just doesn't look good to the professional resume. Most contest people, are just that; contestants, collecting trophys and awards the way I collect dust and barbecue recipes. . In my way of thinking, there must be some clearly defined set of rules in any contest unless it is an open event. Part of my previous statements have been made "tongue in cheek" and I don't know which you're replying to, but....if you're gonna have a contest, make it A contest. . Also, I have been comparing contests to Olympic events of which I have some experience having coached a contestant for the 1984 Olympics (she tied for third in her event). These contests have clearly defined rules and for the most part the contestants are AMATEURS, though an Olympic gold medal can mean at least a million dollars in endorsements, etc if you get the gold in the -right event. These contests HAVE clearly defined rules. . As far as contests for professionals are concerned, there are NO RULES and he who has the most money in the end WINS since the judge is the market place. . Referencing incest; I have no experience in this theatre. Msg #9701 Dated 22:51:40 07-24-91 -> 9741 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOKS The issues of Sphinx are on their way. Regarding the other books, don't have 'em right now. Wouldn't mind getting a copy of _Neo Magic_ myself. Richard has a copy - I could always borrow it to read. Like I don't have anything to read! Been going through _Life Savers_, great stuff, working on the salt/pepper shaker effect. Later. Charlie Msg #9703 Dated 0:09:10 07-25-91 -> 9704 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: NEW CONTROL PROGRAM We have just installed a new version of the MAGIC! Control Program. MAGIC! members should see no differences in the operation of this program; the modifications are internal ones designed to improve modem performance and to enhance the security of the message base. If you do note any performance or operational anomalies, please do leave a Comment with as many details as possible. Msg #9704 Dated 0:13:09 07-25-91 9703 <--> 9705 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: NEW CONTROL PROGRAM The MAGIC! Control Program? The MCP??? Msg #9705 Dated 0:13:46 07-25-91 9704 <--> 9756 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: NEW CONTROL PROGRAM YES! Shades of TRON! Msg #9706 Dated 0:17:43 07-25-91 9590 <--> 9710 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY I don't want to be picky -- oh, wait a minute, I guess I do -- but he spells his name Jean (sic) Shepherd (sic). Sic, sic, sic... Msg #9707 Dated 0:27:39 07-25-91 9507 <--> 9788 From: T A WATERS To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SCIFI Of course CENTERFORCE came out so long ago that it would now classify as an alternate history rather than a novel of the future. Msg #9708 Dated 0:31:54 07-25-91 9515 <--> 9709 From: T A WATERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I assume skill as a given. Trouble with a lot of magicians -- and of course I am generalizing -- is that once they get through an effect without dropping the prop on their foot they think they've mastered it. This is about equivalent to an actor thinking he has mastered a part once he can remember all the words. Skill is the tool with which art is created -- but heart and soul is what gives it meaning. I think that rewarding people for simply demonstrating skill in magic technique AND NO MORE is a very very bad idea -- sends all the wrong signals as to what magic is about. Msg #9709 Dated 0:35:37 07-25-91 9536 <--> 9717 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT No, I don't buy your definition; any garage mechanic can do things I can't explain -- and don't much care to learn how. The difference, I think, between an artist and a novelty act is that the latter does something simply to PROVE HE OR SHE CAN DO IT -- while the former, the artist, uses the art to communicate something more. This is certainly not a hard and fast rule, and there are always gray areas; Michael Moschen, for example, is so transcendently good at what he does that skill blends invisibly into art -- but it should be noted that he is also working in interesting conceptual areas. The fact that this kind of thing is done at most magic conventions is why I don't go to most magic conventions... Msg #9710 Dated 0:45:25 07-25-91 9706 <--> 9757 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY If you go back and take a look at message #9475 you will see that I was initially half right - knew it was Jean. But when I got corrected by older and wiser heads I figured they knew what they were talking about. In your response, I detect a certain distaste for the man's show. As an 8 to 9 year old, I was very taken by it. Perhaps you were older at the time. Msg #9711 Dated 0:51:54 07-25-91 9538 <--> 9718 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEO OR ?? No more like $ 600 at circuit city. Msg #9712 Dated 0:47:45 07-25-91 9601 <--> 9759 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: SPEED COURSE DUTCH Thanks for the Dutch lesson, Arnaud. You certainly included all the key phrases. I'd assumed that Tommy Wonder was fluent in English. Is he only able to read and write it but not speak it? This would not be without precedent - Tarzan, according to Edgar Rice Burroughs, learned to read while still in the jungle and while never hearing English spoken; thus, he could read and write it, but not speak it. Is Holland such a jungle? Msg #9716 Dated 0:59:32 07-25-91 9498 <--> 9790 From: JERRY BURTON To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I think the problem with presenting close-up to a parlour size audience is the fact that the performer attempts to adjust his material in size so that EVERYONE can 'see' the magic. . Someone suggested using a small room (e.g. the Castle close-up room has only 22 seats, with room for 10 or so more standing behind) with closed cicuit TV to OTHER rooms. In this way the performer would be able to do real close-up effects and not feel he had to go to bigger effects. . The size of the rooms used for the close-up contests were just about right. Msg #9717 Dated 0:59:44 07-25-91 9480 <--> 9743 From: JERRY BURTON To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT If everyone was required to the same effects, then in addition to determining a person's skill level, you would easily be able to se differences in style, presentation methods, and ultimately the art. . How many different ways have you seen cups-and-balls performed ? Some present it a straight demonstration of slight of hand skill, whereas others present it in a comedic setting, still others as an interesting story. . Having all contestants performing the same effects, its seems to me would make the contest more meaningful. The optionals would be where an individuals creativity would measured, whereas the compulsories would allow a fairer comparison of basic skill AND creativity ! If we are going to have contests at all, at least having some basis for comparison makes some sense - does this ? Msg #9718 Dated 0:59:56 07-25-91 9583 <--> 9721 From: JERRY BURTON To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEO OR ?? Don't I wish, balloons with user defined captions would be a lot of fun. Msg #9719 Dated 1:02:11 07-25-91 9473 <--> 9821 From: EVAN KATZ To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Zombie = funny. sun and planets = funny. Bald NOT = funny. Msg #9720 Dated 1:08:54 07-25-91 9479 <--> 9744 From: EVAN KATZ To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X) Re: ILLUSIONS Drummer? Saliva? Heh? Msg #9721 Dated 1:11:41 07-25-91 9718 <--> 9791 From: EVAN KATZ To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: VIDEO OR ?? Is that a S-VHS machine, or or VHS HQ? Msg #9722 Dated 1:29:44 07-25-91 9677 <--> 9726 From: MAX MAVEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Only a cursory look; mostly I shop there for research materials. Msg #9725 Dated 4:42:24 07-25-91 9513 <--> 9745 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION That sounds great! I really do have to take the boys to Scout Camp down at Goshen, VA on 8/3. Normally, I would stay over Saturday night with my folks who live near there. However, if this event does happen to take place I would see if I can figger out an alternative plan that would get me back up here by Saturday evening. Bars are usually dead in Dee Cee during August when everyone is at the beach, but this might bring in the magic lovers and produce a nice evening. Otherwise, I don't even like to go NEAR Georgetown. Msg #9726 Dated 4:42:47 07-25-91 9516 <--> 9746 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Hey Man...theres some old book shops in Old Town and even one down on Route 1. Msg #9727 Dated 4:42:56 07-25-91 9529 <--> 9761 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES You don't SELL the BS recipe!! You xerox it! So when are YOU coming back East to resample the stew and see Scotty? I don't know of any races but they do drive pretty fast on the Beltway. Msg #9728 Dated 4:43:05 07-25-91 9542 <--> 9734 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TROPHY You want Olga to SIT ON IT??? The trophy that is... Msg #9729 Dated 4:43:11 07-25-91 9543 <--> 9735 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES Thats why you gots to run it all by JLN...I don't know nuthin' bout any agreemints twix youse ... He authorizes...I disburse. You have inadvertenly created a rather delicate situation which requires strict adherence to proper procedure in order to effect an acceptable resolution. Msg #9730 Dated 4:43:25 07-25-91 9544 <--> 9764 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTESTS Oh...the acts paying off the judges makes perfect sense. FISM is the most ridiculous situation on judging I have heard of...I hope they refunded your registration since you spent the entire time on the jury. Msg #9731 Dated 4:43:38 07-25-91 9545 <--> 9765 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES TO LOST MESSAGE You are mixing the proverbial fruit! The setting and atmosphere of the convention should be somewhat low key and down to earth in SLC. However the shows happen to come off depends a great deal on who you book. Do remember our location howsomever and don't book any exotic dancers. The nude linking ring gal is OK, but stay awayfrom nudes with dogs...particularly if the MC roller skates. Msg #9732 Dated 4:43:54 07-25-91 9546 <--> 9736 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES I didn't start the AURA CRAP (I think that is an oxymoron). The ever luminus Tabone started it! I merely fine honed it a bit (to borrow from another thread). Maybe it is mating season for Frogs in France. Msg #9733 Dated 4:44:07 07-25-91 9547 <- From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TV TAPES You are probably correct. I also suspect that they will get loads of tapes to select from and any low prices will have more to do with supply and demand than with the tapes being from magicians. Msg #9734 Dated 4:44:17 07-25-91 9553 <--> 9752 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TROPHY I am beginning to think the $500 was for his train trip thru the Hofzinzger pass. Msg #9735 Dated 4:44:25 07-25-91 9554 <--> 9747 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES Names on dotted lines! Thats what I want! No more do I want to be lead astray by the figments that spontaneously flare up in Biro's undisciplined grey matter. Give me contracts and 8x10s! Whats he going to have David do in 1993?? Msg #9736 Dated 4:44:38 07-25-91 9557 <--> 9748 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: RESPONSES I would be hard pressed to imagine two more incongruous items than the two in that envelope! I know just the place for the photo. I am going down VMI way in August and may get a chance to check with the library regarding Bulldog's muse. Will let you know. We can Tex-Mex with or without Casey's...just give me at least 15 minutes notice if possible. Msg #9737 Dated 4:44:55 07-25-91 9559 <--> 9739 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES Don't worry 'bout it...just didn't want the thots to get lost. I got screwed up by the lost message base and having answered with IMP. By the time I got it converted I had to lump 'em. It is death to get behind on this board. Msg #9738 Dated 4:45:07 07-25-91 9568 <--> 9754 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: WHATEVER I didn't like him before my experience with him and I have liked him less since. He made the mistake of letting me answer his first question and I burned up all his time and blew out his next four questions. I particularly dislike it when it takes a valid concern and overkills with the muck. Msg #9739 Dated 4:45:22 07-25-91 9569 <--> 9749 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES I don't go back any further than CoCos and tape cassettes so I will let you old hackers talk about the good old days. I might add that I NEVER used all of that 16K of memory in the CoCo. Msg #9740 Dated 4:45:32 07-25-91 9555 <--> 9755 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: EGADS! I will have to admit that I was really concerned that I had crossed over the limits of good taste until I threaded back to #9501. What a relief! I don't care for frog's legs at all. Msg #9741 Dated 8:03:46 07-25-91 9701 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: BOOKS Thanks Charlie, If I find two copies of _Neo Magic_ then I'll send one to you. Found a mint copy of Sardina_Where Houdini Was Wrong_ for 95 bux. I didn't get it as its not my bag but if you want I can stear. It was there last night. Something else I was gonna ask you but will wait til I talk to you. Msg #9743 Dated 8:04:01 07-25-91 9708 <--> 9758 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Magic can be considered many things. To some it is an art. To others a craft. Then to some it is a passtime or hobby. From what I saw watching a double handfull of contest acts (granted, I saw them from mostly backstage lastly) on stage it was none of the above. How can ART be judged. I just don't think it can because it becomes opinion, not fact. Art, as defined in the Krayborg dictionary is stated as that which is _beautiful_; above the ordinary; but who is to decide what is beautiful and if excellence becomes commonplace, where is art? To me, magic is many things and at different times, but above all it is a passion. I view my roll is that of friend and helper. Art is personal and often goes unnoticed by the common man who is too busy dealing with the ordinary. Msg #9744 Dated 8:04:12 07-25-91 9720 <--> 9871 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: ILLUSIONS What do you get when you cross a bass player and a drummer? A fist fight. Msg #9745 Dated 8:04:17 07-25-91 9725 <--> 9777 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION The thought of driving up Wisconsin Blvd makes my hair stand on end, but it might be worthwhile. The problem we have getting out of here at the same time is magnified by six hounds, nine parrots, and two cats, plus acres of diamonds. Scotty said he'd be sending out a flyer to all on his mailing list if the gig happens, so you'll know when I do. He and I are supposed to talk next Wednesday. We'll figure it out though. I normally opt for quieter stuff than GeoTown too. Msg #9746 Dated 8:04:24 07-25-91 9726 <--> 9799 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: BOOK MAIL The problem is't finding the shops, its finding the time. When I'm on the road, I'm out anyway but when at Kraborg I's usually too busy and don't like to kill time sitting in a vehicle. Msg #9747 Dated 8:04:30 07-25-91 9735 <--> 9763 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES Master of Ceremonies. Msg #9748 Dated 8:04:33 07-25-91 9736 <--> 9767 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: RESPONSES Will be in Nashville latter part of August as have three acts doing the studio bit down there at that time. I should stop by Lexington just for nostalgia sake. I'd be very happy to provide school with muse in lovely frame Msg #9749 Dated 8:04:39 07-25-91 9737 <--> 9753 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES I was glad to see that you'd replied to all that stuff. We were missing your prose. Msg #9750 Dated 8:51:55 07-25-91 -> 9794 From: DARRELL MURPHY To: ALL Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA >>>>> ATTENTION <<<*>>> ATTENTION <<<*>>> ATTENTION <<<<< . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RING 21 ANNOUNCES <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THE DAVID ROTH LECTURE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHERE: UCLA <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHEN: SATURDAY AUGUST 10, 1991 <<<<<<<<<<< . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIME: 10:00 am to 3:00 pm <<<<<<<<<<<<<< . PRICE: $25.00 PREREGISTRATION -- $35.00 AT-THE-DOOR . Thats right close-up magicians, it's time to dust off the close-up mats as well as the brain cells for what promises to be an outstanding 4 hour close-up lecture. If you have never seen David Roth's work you are missing a great opportunity to learn from, in my opinion, one of the true Masters of Close-up magic. SPACES ARE LIMITED. The price has now been cast in concrete and is set for $25.00 for preregistration and $35.00 if you register at the door. The reason I am putting this message up this early is because of the outstanding support RING 21 has received from the members of MAGIC! in past lectures etc... we felt we would give MAGIC! members as well as RING 21 members an advanced chance to register. We hope to have a wide screen set-up so that there will be no bad seats. . If you would like more information you may write to me here on MAGIC! or call RING 21 President Joe Selph at (818) 660-2998. I will be there running the camera so I hope to see you there!!!!!!!!!!!! . For those of you on MAGIC! that have already talked to me your name is on the list but you need to send in your money now. For those of you who haven't talked to me but are interested send your money to the address below: . Joseph Selph 2018 Griffith Park Blvd., #101 Los Angeles, CA. 90039 Msg #9752 Dated 9:36:44 07-25-91 9734 <--> 9762 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TROPHY Actually, it was his entrance fee to the aquarium. Msg #9753 Dated 9:41:49 07-25-91 9739 <--> 9802 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES Got a couple of CoCo's here. My first one was the first personal computer I owned (previous personal computer work, with a Polymorphic 88, was done on former employers time). In the interests of World Peace and the phone bills of callers outside the U.S., do you think we could move the SLC bookings and the VMI stuff to private messages? Msg #9754 Dated 9:45:32 07-25-91 9738 <--> 9805 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: WHATEVER He is trying to make a living in a medium which pays handsomly for his lack of ethics. I presume, however, that the P&T show was simply a commercial for what may be a couple of his friends. Two things were interesting - one was his reference to a show that had been on Broadway for three months as "long running," and the other was how he actually balked at having "Gordo," the P&T shill in the audience, posing as an offended magician. Apparently, despite his minimal sense of ethics, he felt that they had gone too far. Msg #9755 Dated 9:54:13 07-25-91 9740 <--> 9806 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: EGADS! I was serious. Please do not mention that topic on here again. It is, admittedly, a personal prejudice, but I really do find it offensive. Msg #9756 Dated 10:05:46 07-25-91 9703 <- From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: NEW CONTROL PROGRAM I don't notice nuthing fella...lame-oh here... bah bah Msg #9757 Dated 10:05:51 07-25-91 9706 <--> 9770 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY TA ... what does (sic) mean? (I am serious) Msg #9758 Dated 10:05:55 07-25-91 9709 <--> 9760 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I guess there is another factor too that is even more important. It is whether or not you LIKE what you see. I have booked acts that I like even though they may not possess skill. Msg #9759 Dated 10:06:01 07-25-91 9712 <--> 10101 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SPEED COURSE DUTCH Tommy the Wunderkind can speak fluently in all languages that I ever heard him talk in. Msg #9760 Dated 10:06:06 07-25-91 9717 <--> 9789 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You said it better than I. Msg #9761 Dated 10:06:10 07-25-91 9727 <--> 9775 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES I have been EVERYWHERE recently and that is enug. Got a call last night on maching from Convention Chairman of the PCAM asking me to joing their committee to be in charge of talent. I think I shall decline (unless they pay huge salary). Har. Msg #9762 Dated 10:06:17 07-25-91 9728 <--> 9768 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TROPHY I guess David can just keep the pyramid... you don't seem to want it. Msg #9763 Dated 10:06:21 07-25-91 9729 <--> 9769 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES I didn't do nuttin I wasn't told to do... GO TO FISM. Har... You should see the list of killer acts.... the winner of Manip is (as we are typing) is working the Castle. Have a call into him. Otherwise... let me know the ad deadline for SLC. Msg #9764 Dated 10:06:29 07-25-91 9730 <--> 9783 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS I will send them a message. Arrrggghhhh. Of course the Kermits will tell me what a GREAT HONOR and how famous I now am having served my Magical Bretheren so faithfully. Arrggghhh. Msg #9765 Dated 10:06:35 07-25-91 9731 <--> 9766 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: RESPONSES TO LOST MESSAGE She isn't nude, but wears a killer form fitting costume, Writhes on the floor with the rings going up here legs... and.... wheeee Msg #9766 Dated 10:06:40 07-25-91 9731 <--> 9811 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: RESPONSES TO LOST MESSAGE Funny OUR US FED GOVT has onlyh allowed photos and TV of fat ugly Russian women sweeping streets. All those I have encountered have been very nifty!!! And ... well... er... Msg #9767 Dated 10:06:46 07-25-91 9732 <--> 9801 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: RESPONSES There are no more Frogs in France. They are all now called (by me) KERMITS.... see how educational MAGIC! is....yar... Msg #9768 Dated 10:06:51 07-25-91 9734 <--> 9803 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TROPHY Learn to spell Hofzinser will ya Msg #9769 Dated 10:06:55 07-25-91 9735 <--> 9800 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES In 1993 David will be assigned the task of Mentalism on a Geller scale. (While transversing the Hofzinser Pass -- by rail, which isn't easy as it is a boat ride). My loose grey matter is all that matters to me. Screw you guys... the PCAM call is tempting... all conventions are on the Left coast. Msg #9770 Dated 10:20:36 07-25-91 9757 <--> 9824 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY (sic) is used after a printed word or paragraph to indicate that it is intended exactly as printed or to indicate that it exactly reproduces the original. Msg #9771 Dated 10:44:57 07-25-91 -> 9816 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED We are in the process of planning a 3rd Birthday party for our son. It is scheduled for September 22nd. If anyone is interested in performing for a group of 3-year olds, please let me know. Would prefer someone who can also pose as "Big Bird." Fee negotiable. Msg #9773 Dated 10:50:13 07-25-91 9598 <--> 9795 From: BILL WELLS To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: FLASH!!! What not suggest the act to Biro? Sounds just like the kind of thing he books for the I.B.M. Msg #9774 Dated 10:50:20 07-25-91 9605 <--> 9786 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Something smells fishy here... ...or are you trying to get religious? Msg #9775 Dated 10:50:29 07-25-91 9606 <--> 9776 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MESSAGES Yeah...between D.O.T. and E.P.A. the auto owners ain't got a chance. Msg #9776 Dated 10:50:34 07-25-91 9607 <--> 9778 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MESSAGES Actually, should be easy to work around. We are NOT going camping. We are dropping the boys off at the Boy Scout Camp in Goshen where they will be happy campers for a week. If there is to be an event on August 3, then we will just drive down to my folks on Friday evening and take the boys over to camp on Saturday and return to Dee Cee in time for supper and Scotty. It is about a three hour drive back up and the boys have to be there around 2 pm, so we should be able to make it. Msg #9777 Dated 10:50:55 07-25-91 9620 <--> 9784 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Don't tell me, tell him! My memo laids it all out, problem and all, it is all between the two of you. Msg #9778 Dated 10:51:04 07-25-91 9621 <--> 9779 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES I will FAX him you invoice this weekend when he returns home from his vacation if you like. Then the two of you need to talk and reach a resolution that includes somesort of written explanation. (see my memo)...also any comment on the DH stuff? Msg #9779 Dated 10:51:16 07-25-91 9622 <--> 9780 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES Thanks...I am not sure when he is there. Becki just mentioned it while reading the paper this weekend. I doubt that we will be able to do it since on weekends the 3 hour drive to the beach becomes a 4 or 5 hour drive with backups at the bay bridge. But thanks anyhow for the very kind offer! Msg #9780 Dated 10:51:31 07-25-91 9623 <--> 9781 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES I dig! You already told me about that one. I was referring to your use of the adjective "secret" in describing Scotty's "Decanted" manuscript. Why "secret"? He sells the thing. Msg #9781 Dated 10:51:41 07-25-91 9624 <--> 9782 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES El Biro...please note carefully! We ain't talkin' MEXICAN food here, we are talkin' TEX-MEX...there is a considerable difference although I am not so sure as to whom is benefiting by the difference. Msg #9782 Dated 10:51:51 07-25-91 9651 <--> 9785 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MESSAGES Your radio waves got distorted...it was 10 x the size of earth. Msg #9783 Dated 10:51:57 07-25-91 9656 <--> 9787 From: BILL WELLS To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: CONTESTS I certainly have no problem with paying for any service, be it judging or whatever. I agree completely with you that if the judges were selected based on competence rather than availability, that the contests would likely improve. Payment might induce more competent individuals to judge, I don't know. My comment was intended to point out that payment doesn't of and in itself insure any service since the exchange between you and Mike gave that implication. Actually, I feel the judging problem is likely to be more complex. First, one needs to insure the person selecting the judges is competent to do so and not overburdened by other organizational duties. Second there is the question of magician judges versus lay judges. Third, one must decide if the judging is to be based on a checklist of criteria or a simple rating of entertainment value. Almost anyone could be deemed competent to judge entertainment value based on how well they liked an act. A requirement for competence implies the ability to judge based on experience with some set of criteria. Of course, all of this is part and parcel of why contests are always so ripe for controversy at almost every phase. Maybe Biro have the better approach in just letting the acts buy off the judges. Msg #9784 Dated 10:52:42 07-25-91 9657 <--> 9798 From: BILL WELLS To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION OK...I'll ask. What are the first two? Msg #9785 Dated 10:52:48 07-25-91 9665 <--> 9807 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MESSAGES I think they had taken out for taxes here in Dee Cee. Msg #9786 Dated 10:52:54 07-25-91 9690 <--> 9796 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Hey...it ain't jest in the movies! I DID walk five miles to school (actually it was a very long mile, but the bus did go five miles after that) and there was snow (well...in the winter time anyway). However, there were more than one room. My mother went to the one room school. Msg #9787 Dated 10:53:08 07-25-91 9692 <--> 9793 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTESTS Actually, I have not have that much involvement with the mechanics of the I.B.M. contests since I laid out the basic design in 1980 (stage) and 1981 (close up). Insofar as I know, the judges do not have any pre-training. They may meet briefly just prior to judging. It is an excellent idea. I know that some might even judge year after year. I am not aware of any criteria sheets being used for any of the I.B.M contests. I did not include any in the original design as I am not in favor of them. Jerry Schnepp may have implemented them. I don't know. I have always favored simplicity. No catagories, no criteria. Just a simple rating from 1-10 based on how well you liked the act taking into account all your personal biases. Have a bunch of judges and throw out the high and low scores. Actually, at the DMS we have tried criteria and the approach I just outlined. You get about the same results either way. Important thing is to throw out the high and low scores. Msg #9788 Dated 10:53:44 07-25-91 9707 <- From: BILL WELLS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: SCIFI Regardless of whatever genre you wish to assign CENTERFORCE, it was a damn good piece of SciFi! I greaty enjoyed it and wished for a sequel, or like Jack Chalker, a series of trilogies. Msg #9789 Dated 10:53:54 07-25-91 9708 <--> 9792 From: BILL WELLS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Indeed! Such an approach might be tantamount to asking Matisse or Van Gogh to paint in the realistic style as when they were students. Msg #9790 Dated 10:54:02 07-25-91 9716 <- From: BILL WELLS To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I dunno...I have problems with the creation of specialized contest catagories beyond the two large ones of stage and close up. It is almost impossible for me to define even these two. I remember seeing the late Cliff Greene hold an audience enthralled from the stage with nothing but a deck of playing cards. Last year in St. Louis, Tom Noddy was more powerful in close up than in his more usual venue of the stage (albeit it bubble magic). There are other examples. We must be very careful to understand what we are judging in these things. If we want to reward the presentation of pocket tricks, that is one thing. If we want to reward the cleveness of pocket tricks, that could be something else. Even the use of video and monitors introduces a distortion factor. Where will the judges be? In the live audience of a few people or watching the monitors? Msg #9791 Dated 10:54:34 07-25-91 9718 <--> 10100 From: BILL WELLS To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: VIDEO OR ?? interactive balloons would be EVEN MORE fun! Msg #9792 Dated 10:54:50 07-25-91 9708 <--> 9867 From: WAYNE POWERS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT One Hundred Percent Agreement, here! 'Wayne. Msg #9793 Dated 10:58:44 07-25-91 9684 <--> 9797 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTESTS It'd be great to see you again! 'W. Msg #9794 Dated 11:10:05 07-25-91 9750 <--> 9865 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DARRELL MURPHY (X) Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA Spaces are limited...to what? How many will Ring 21 guarantee to be the maximum number of attendees? After all, a close-up lecture at Dodger Stadium is not something I'd be interested in...big screen TV or not. 'W. Msg #9795 Dated 11:13:51 07-25-91 9773 <--> 9826 From: WAYNE POWERS To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: FLASH!!! Pete reads public messages, Bill. If he's interested in demonstrating his great taste and savvy as a booker, he'll book Jim, Vic & Shag without any prodding from me! Although, I must say that with the great taste and savvy your suggestion demonstrates, perhaps YOU should be booking the big magic shows! 'Wayne. Msg #9797 Dated 11:31:32 07-25-91 9787 <--> 9810 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS Something tells me it may not be very long before Mr. Schnepp sees this thread. He is likely to have some interesting comments. Msg #9798 Dated 11:58:41 07-25-91 9745 <--> 9848 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Switch the dogs and cats, add 3 kids, and forget the diamonds and I have the same problems you do. My visa for Georgetown is also ex- pired, but Casey's is on the border so I can probably still get in. I ain't on Scotty's mailing list since he ain't got my new house address. Ergo, I will probably need a FAX from a friendly soul iffin I am gonna know about his appearance in G'Town. Msg #9799 Dated 11:59:00 07-25-91 9746 <--> 9840 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL I don't get to the book stores much myself for the same reason. Plus since I also like computer books, SciFi books, and railroad books, my bank accounts fare better if I don't go so much. Msg #9800 Dated 11:59:10 07-25-91 9747 <--> 9809 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES This is becoming a running inside gag. Maybe David should work the Abbott's convention. Msg #9801 Dated 11:59:18 07-25-91 9748 <--> 9813 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: RESPONSES I will down there on the 3rd and again on the 10th when we got to pick up all the kids. Then ot t NewMexico to meet with Joe and Martha at a hideaway in the mountains of NM and make plans for the next DMS, otherwise I would love to be able to show you around what was built on a bluff and has existed on one ever since. Msg #9802 Dated 11:59:33 07-25-91 9749 <--> 9804 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES I am not to sure it is worthy of that title. It also looks like we are going to start having to make some of the prose private. How do I do that with IMP if the message one is responding to isn't private to begin with. Msg #9803 Dated 11:59:45 07-25-91 9752 <--> 9808 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TROPHY Not far off on similarity in amounts there! Msg #9804 Dated 11:59:51 07-25-91 9753 <--> 9823 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES I thought a Polymorphic 88 was some kind of old Buick! Sorry...VMI, SLC bookings and Polymorphic 88s can all be moved to restricted messages if you like, I just don't know how to do it in IMP if the message being responded to isn't a private one. Msg #9805 Dated 12:00:04 07-25-91 9754 <--> 9901 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: WHATEVER That is an interesting observation regarding the fact that even he has some boundaries to this ethical sense. I have only seen his show once and didn't see the recent P&T one. Many people greatly enjoy watching the kind of show he does. I just don't care to support it in any way. Msg #9806 Dated 12:00:18 07-25-91 9755 <--> 9902 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: EGADS! I apologize if I offended you in any way, but if you are being serious about something then say so. Your mixing in levels of de- pravity and respected members led me to think you were continuing the gag. I have no interest or intention of offending anyone with BBS banter particularly if it deals with nonsensical and inane topics. Msg #9807 Dated 12:00:33 07-25-91 9761 <--> 9827 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MESSAGES Ah...the demands of fame and success! Having been one myself, I can't imagine how anyone could be one for two different outfit at the same time...salary or no salary. Msg #9808 Dated 12:00:43 07-25-91 9762 <--> 9814 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TROPHY I don't deserve it. No, David shouldn't keep it. He should present it to Olga. Has she returned to Russia yet? Msg #9809 Dated 12:00:51 07-25-91 9763 <--> 9815 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES Read the memo! Don't tell me! Tell him! End of subject! Ad dead- line is 20th of every month for the issue two months later. I just sent in the ad last week for the September issue. Sysop says no mo SLC in public. Msg #9810 Dated 12:01:03 07-25-91 9764 <--> 9819 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTESTS I am sure sending message will accomplish nothing. I am just amazed that anyone would expect a person to spend 16 hours a day on a jury and also expect that to pay to do it! Msg #9811 Dated 12:01:13 07-25-91 9765 <--> 9812 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES TO LOST MESSAGE I just want you to remember that we will be in the heartland of the Church of Latter Day Saints and I don't want people offended by a unorthodox performance of the Linking Rings....particularly if she says "Wheeeee". Msg #9812 Dated 12:01:26 07-25-91 9766 <--> 9842 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES TO LOST MESSAGE That just tells me that you are not a street person! Msg #9813 Dated 12:01:32 07-25-91 9767 <--> 10099 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES Has Miss Piggy been told about this? Msg #9814 Dated 12:01:37 07-25-91 9768 <--> 9836 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TROPHY You are referring to the Hofzinser as in magic and Wien. I was referring to the Hofzinzger as in Mountain Pass and Wells' mind when the magic text with the other spelling isn't available. Msg #9815 Dated 12:01:48 07-25-91 9769 <--> 9833 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES I like Talmage's suggestion better. Actually, you need to pay more attention to the condition of your transfer RNA. I find your next suggestion offensive and how you gonna stay balanced if you spend all your magic life on the left coast. Msg #9816 Dated 12:02:00 07-25-91 9771 <--> 9825 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Ask Biro. He is already into Kermit. Big Bird is just a step up! Msg #9819 Dated 14:45:46 07-25-91 9783 <--> 9830 From: MAX MAVEN To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS I don't think we have much disagreement here. I fully agree with you on the complexity of creating good contest judging. Perhaps at some point we'll have the chance to talk on this, and I'll toss you my structural approach. The irony, of course, is that to develop good judging requires a great deal of effort, and my opinion of contests is such as to make me doubt whether such effort is worth it. Msg #9821 Dated 15:45:53 07-25-91 9668 <--> 9839 From: STAN LAKE To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Well I know we are all glad you got the "Writing fever" and I hope it strikes again! I've heard all sorts of good things about your writing and ideas. If you have published material in the Castle library I will look forward to reading it. Msg #9823 Dated 15:50:09 07-25-91 9753 <--> 9834 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES What are Private messages? Msg #9824 Dated 15:50:13 07-25-91 9770 <--> 9866 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Oh, I thought it was short for SICK.... meaning you didn't mean what was writ, but that it was someone elses opinion you didn't agree with. I take back all the "sic" comments I have made in the last 32 weeks! (sic) Msg #9825 Dated 15:50:19 07-25-91 9771 <--> 9906 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED I would suggest a musical act. Don't bore him with magic. Msg #9826 Dated 15:50:23 07-25-91 9773 <--> 9832 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: FLASH!!! Bill, not only can't your spell J.N.'s last name, but re read message 9773 for grammaticalness. Msg #9827 Dated 15:50:28 07-25-91 9775 <--> 9828 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES Not to mention the IRS and the DMV and the Ins. Co. Msg #9828 Dated 15:50:32 07-25-91 9776 <--> 9829 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES Send 'em by bus! Msg #9829 Dated 15:50:36 07-25-91 9781 <--> 9835 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES Well if you think TEX-MEX is "FOOD" you are in trubble. Right here in Liver City....argh...sic, etc., et al. Nolo contendo. Msg #9830 Dated 15:50:41 07-25-91 9783 <--> 9831 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS No, the real contest is to let them all start at once and see who can work the longest. Or get the most tricks in in two hours. Msg #9831 Dated 15:50:46 07-25-91 9787 <--> 9847 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS I wish they used the throw out high and low at FISM... Msg #9832 Dated 15:50:50 07-25-91 9795 <--> 9843 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: FLASH!!! If the trio you are describing exists I will book them only if I see a video, love it and they promise to do as shown on video. Since I ain't never heard of 'em.... Msg #9833 Dated 15:50:56 07-25-91 9800 <--> 9837 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES He would but he doesn't have their address!!!! Msg #9834 Dated 15:50:59 07-25-91 9804 <--> 9894 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES You just wait until you see a private message! Or we start a thread of privacy online befo we go into IMP! Msg #9835 Dated 15:51:05 07-25-91 9807 <--> 9846 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES Agreed. I will soon make my choice. PCAM or IBM.... ARGH.... Msg #9836 Dated 15:51:08 07-25-91 9808 <--> 10648 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TROPHY I DON'T THINK HER SOUL EVER LEFT SIBERIA!!!!!!!!!!!! Msg #9837 Dated 15:51:12 07-25-91 9809 <--> 9838 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES THEN STICK TO COUNTS CUTS AND MOVES... HAH Msg #9838 Dated 15:51:16 07-25-91 9815 <- From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: COUNTS, CUTS, MOVES I WOULD REPLY BUT THERE ARE TOO MANY MESSAGES! Msg #9839 Dated 15:50:35 07-25-91 9719 <--> 9852 From: STAN LAKE To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER "Bald NOT = funny." ? It sounds like someone has suggest dressing you up all in black, clear up to your turtleneck and then putting a stick in your ear for a Zombie routine. (Grin) OK, no bald jokes- my bathtub drain tells me I'm not far from it myself! Msg #9840 Dated 16:00:42 07-25-91 9674 <--> 9851 From: STAN LAKE To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: BOOK MAIL As long as I am down at Hollywood Magic it's hardly any extra effort to walk across the street to Book City on the chance that I may be there when they have a worthwhile magic book. Do you know of any book stores in the L.A. area that ever have a decent supply of magic books? I would imagine I will always have better luck at the magic swap meets. Msg #9842 Dated 16:29:12 07-25-91 9766 <- From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES TO LOST MESSAGE A friend of mine married a Russian translator and I had pictured in my mind a heftly lady driving a tractor. She is stunningly beautiful! Took them to the Castle and Falkenstein was doing his mentalism act where he asks for someone who knows a foreign language to assist him on stage. While he's blind folded she wrote a message on the blackboard in Russian. When she turned it so the audience could see it they really hooped and hollered thinking there was no way Falkenstein was going to duplicate that mess of letters. Of course he did to a large round of applause. He took his blindfold off at that time and his eyes bugged out a bit looking at her. Nice, Very nice for a tractor driver! Msg #9843 Dated 17:36:21 07-25-91 9832 <--> 9886 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FLASH!!! Jim, Vic & Shag don't need no stinkin' veeedeeeo!!! Get to Colon next week and get ready to build an altar!!! 'W. Msg #9845 Dated 18:04:05 07-25-91 9774 <--> 9855 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Trying to pun. Msg #9846 Dated 18:04:09 07-25-91 9776 <--> 10644 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MESSAGES As soon as I find out somtin specific re: Scotty York's program of magic which will be presented at Casey's I'll fax you. Msg #9847 Dated 18:04:14 07-25-91 9793 <--> 9853 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTESTS You too, Wayne. I'm coming out when I get caught up (couldn't stand the guilt if I'm not) and will make sure those I wish to get up with are gonna be around. Msg #9848 Dated 18:04:19 07-25-91 9798 <--> 9905 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION See previous message re: FAX re: Scotty York. Msg #9851 Dated 18:48:12 07-25-91 9840 <--> 9856 From: MAX MAVEN To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Not only are there no bookstores in L.A. that I would particularly recommend for their selection of magic books, there aren't any I'd endorse for any type of book, with the exception of the Bohdi Tree which, in its specialized focus, is quite well stocked in both its new and used sections. Msg #9852 Dated 18:49:57 07-25-91 9821 <--> 9857 From: MAX MAVEN To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Then again, you might consider _buying_ his published material. Msg #9853 Dated 19:04:37 07-25-91 9847 <--> 9858 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTESTS Lookin' forward to it, Tabster. By the way... ...sine yo aked about it previously... I believe that ELVIS AND ME will be re-airing on ABC Sunday and Monday night. (Parts one and two.) I haven't seen a TV Guide, but there was a call or two on the ol' answering machine indicating it will be on this Sunday and Monday. Wayne has left the building. 'W. Msg #9854 Dated 19:29:05 07-25-91 9655 <--> 9881 From: RANDY LUND To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Max, your last message leaves me at a loss. What is a Magicalumpen and what about the last Magic Castle awards. Msg #9855 Dated 19:30:59 07-25-91 9690 <--> 9859 From: RANDY LUND To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Seriously, the only thing in the army navy store where I grew up were musty old uniforms 10 sizes too large, some rotting gas masks and a bunch of other real junk...no walkie talkies or other neat stuff. . I hope my reviews of the Abbotts Get Together come off ok. I am still a novice at magic and this will be the first time I have ever reveiwed an entertainment event.....We'll see, only a couple of more weeks. . I would appreicate advice from anyone on what to look for etc. etc. Anything on the subject. . Thanks.....Randy Msg #9856 Dated 20:05:33 07-25-91 9851 <--> 9860 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Stan, Charlie Randall told me they (H&R Books) have a new list coming out in August. Don't know if you're on their mailing list or not, or if Charlie will be putting his next list (#4) up on MAGIC! but they are quite a good source for a lot of different used magic books. Hank Lee has his _Book Book_ catalog of new magic books and is a reliable supplier of same. I've had some luck finding some older (50+) magic books at flea markets dirt cheap, though I'd guess that for time spent it hasn't been that good, though I've found some stuff on occasion. Do you know when the next Castle Swap meet will be? Msg #9857 Dated 20:05:44 07-25-91 9852 <--> 9862 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Outside of _Tommy Wonder Entertains_ from Jeff Busby Magic, I haven't had much luck finding his other stuff. Any ideas? I try to support all members of MAGIC!. Msg #9858 Dated 20:05:49 07-25-91 9853 <--> 9878 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTESTS That's good news, about the reairing Wayne and the coming residuals, eh. See you in the fall. Msg #9859 Dated 20:05:53 07-25-91 9855 <--> 9877 From: TABBY CRABB To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER How 'bout a review of Wayne Power's favorite act!! Msg #9860 Dated 20:17:43 07-25-91 9851 <--> 9861 From: STAN LAKE To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: BOOK MAIL 'Scuse my ignorance, but the obvious question is what's the Bohdi Tree? Sounds like it's East Indian, maybe Buhdist or something to do with spiritual enlightenment? Anyway, I'm trying to learn my sleights this lifetime! Msg #9861 Dated 20:21:58 07-25-91 9856 <--> 9864 From: STAN LAKE To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL They seem to have them about every six months so that would put it around October for the next swap meet. I've kept your list you were kind enough to gather up on the top magic books every collector should have and I think for just a couple of thousand dollars more I will be able to round it out quite nicely. Come to think of it a couple of thousand is really being optimistic, isn't it? Msg #9862 Dated 20:25:27 07-25-91 9852 <--> 9869 From: STAN LAKE To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER To tell you the truth Max, I haven't seen any of his published material down at Hollywood Magic, The Magic Palace, or Magic World. I just assumed whatever it was is no longer in print. What does he have that is currently available and where can it be purchased? Thanks! Msg #9863 Dated 20:30:50 07-25-91 -> 9888 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS N Just wanted to let those who're interested know that I've been telephoning Don Alan daily and just haven't been able to make the connection. Gloria has promised to type the transcription into ASCII over the weekend so I can put it up after talking to Don and (hopefully) getting his permission to do so. Also, I've been offered a large stock of SASCO gimmiked coin stuff (new) that I'm thinking of buying if there's an interest from the membership. The interest would be - you buy at a 10% off list discount and I'll contribute ALL profits over and above my costs toward the operation of MAGIC!. Lemme know if you're interested and what you might be interested in - I have a list of the stuff here, most everything they make, but don't really need (or want) it all myself. Wooded be a large fundraiser, but I'm sure every bit would help.... tabman Msg #9864 Dated 20:41:18 07-25-91 9861 <--> 9883 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Last year I thought about calling Hank Lee and asking him what he'd sell me one of everything in his book catalog for. That was before I went through his _Book Book_ catalog and found out I'd already bought over 60% of them over the last ten years or so. I first met Hank at a TAOM (Texas Assn of Magi) in the mid 1970s and always liked the way he did business. I was wanting to come out before October, but would really like to attend a swap meet and might wait to coincide. Besides my 46 birthday is October and would make a nice Bday present to myself. Keep me posted on the date when you find out, please. Msg #9865 Dated 20:54:59 07-25-91 9750 <--> 9971 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: DARRELL MURPHY (X) Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA Would like to attend. Please reserve two seats for me. Tried to call phone # listed on message but kept getting a tel co recording. Anyway, will send my money to Joseph Selph today. Hope to meet you there! Msg #9866 Dated 21:25:42 07-25-91 9710 <--> 9879 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Around about 20 when I first heard Shepherd on WOR in NYC; I liked him well enough, but agree with Henry Morgan's comment that Shepherd seemed to "have had a childhood that lasted about forty years..." Msg #9867 Dated 21:28:41 07-25-91 9717 <--> 9868 From: T A WATERS To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The problem with performers doing the same effects is fairly elementary --what about the performers who don't WANT to do effects others are doing? It seems to me that choice of material is a very basic level of artistic development, and this would penalize (or eliminate from competition) those who strive to be original. My own feeling about magic, incidentally, is that NO TWO PERFORMERS should EVER do the same effects. Magic is supposed to be mysterious and special; how mysterious or special can something be if a hundred people can do it? In my capacity as Magic Castle Librarian -- lemme tell ya, there is more good magic in the books and magazines than all the magicians who ever work for audiences could use in a hundred years. There is no reason for anyone to ever do stuff others do. I feel very strongly about this; I once worked on a mental effect for three years and then dropped it like a hot potato when someone in the same area started working on it. Mind you, this was not something I had invented; had it been, THEY would have dropped it. I think the kind of contest you are proposing would send very bad signals, and indeed reward bad behavior. Sorry if I sound hardline on this -- I don't mean this to be personal at all -- but I don't think magic is strong enough to suffer that sort of thing much longer. Msg #9868 Dated 21:36:04 07-25-91 9743 <--> 9873 From: T A WATERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Indeed magic is many things -- to me it is first and foremost a performance art aimed at the public, and my prejudices and crotchets no doubt reflect that. Most of what I used to see at magic conventions had nothing whatever to do with what I call magic. Msg #9869 Dated 21:38:20 07-25-91 9719 <--> 9875 ro: A WATERS To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Oh -- well -- I'm bald...and I was constructing the gimmicks...I guess I should cancel that call I have in to Flip... Msg #9871 Dated 21:51:32 07-25-91 9744 <--> 9880 From: T A WATERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ILLUSIONS What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians? ...a drummer. Msg #9873 Dated 22:27:17 07-25-91 9680 <--> 9899 From: TOMMY WONDER To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Is this a blank message? There is no text as I see it. Msg #9875 Dated 22:31:06 07-25-91 9821 <--> 9884 From: TOMMY WONDER To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER I have no idea what might be in the library in the castle. I did publish some things in Pabular, there are also two lecture notes, do not know if the library has lecture notes. Also I published a book on cups and balls, called "Tommy Wonder Entertains". Anyhow, soon there will be a book of me on the market, I think in a litlle over a year! Msg #9876 Dated 22:34:54 07-25-91 From: TOMMY WONDER To: MAGICNL Re: HALLO TO: Frans de Groot Hallo Frans. Ik hoop dat je af en toe nog inlogt. Hier zie ik tenminste nooit eens een berichtje van je. Het valt hier op het board niet mee. Vandaag waren er ruim 200(twee honderd!)berichten. Ik kan ze niet allemaal lezen omdat ik ten slotte ook nog andere bezigheden heb. Wil je aan Dick vragen hoe het gaat met het project van Selected Magicians. Misschien wil je de berichten van Dick doorsluizen via het BBS? Doe hem in ieder geval de groeten! Ben je al uitgerust van FISM? Ik zelf heb het gevoel van niet maardat kan ook ergens anders aan liggen. All the best! Msg #9877 Dated 22:40:25 07-25-91 9859 <--> 9892 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Apostrophe AFTER the "s"....please! Yeah....I'm all for it...let's have an honest, unbiased review of Jim, Vic & Shag!!! 'W. Msg #9878 Dated 22:44:37 07-25-91 9858 <--> 9896 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTESTS Okay, Tab. Something to look forward to! I found the TV Guide and, yes, part one airs Sunday night at 9pm on ABC and part two on Monday night at 9pm. The lousy bastards only listed my name in the TV Guide for part two. Get me a cheap lawyer!!! 'Wayne. Msg #9879 Dated 22:49:30 07-25-91 9866 <--> 9889 From: WAYNE POWERS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Shepherd and Henry Morgan are two of my all-time favorites. (Along with Fred Allen). 'W. Msg #9880 Dated 22:52:49 07-25-91 9871 <--> 9910 From: WAYNE POWERS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: ILLUSIONS May Shelley Manne's spirit return to perform drumrolls on your cerebrum!!! 'W. Msg #9881 Dated 23:33:02 07-25-91 9854 <--> 10105 From: MAX MAVEN To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Magicalumpen: my neologism for the general mass of magicians. My reference to the Stage Magician of the Year award at this past year's Castle banquet was that it was won by a guy doing a Lance Burton clone act -- and, among the other nominees was Jeff McBride. I think this result speaks volumes. Msg #9882 Dated 23:35:53 07-25-91 -> 9919 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: HEALTH OK To those that were concerned... my assistant and Pal, DID NOT HAVE A BRAIN TUMOR.... It turned out to be an infection and swelling. He just got out of surgery this eve and got his memory back, and is lookin' good. Much easier to deal with and will be (according to the docs) OK! Msg #9883 Dated 23:39:53 07-25-91 9860 <--> 9885 From: MAX MAVEN To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BOOK MAIL It is a large bookstore near the Beverly Center, which stocks a wide variety of related subjects: philosophy, religion, mysticism, paranormal, anthropology, New Age, and so on. There is a used dept. behind the main building. Msg #9884 Dated 23:41:23 07-25-91 9857 <--> 9912 From: MAX MAVEN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER As Tommy has mentioned, there are some wonderful routines to be found in back issues of _Pabular_, an English magazine currently in stasis. If you're interested I could look up which issues they're in. Tommy also has material in the "Spectacle" collection, and I think in one of the Symposium collections, too. Plus a couple of intelligent essays in _Opus_. And, I'd bet he'd be willing to sell you his lecture notes if you asked... Msg #9885 Dated 23:52:44 07-25-91 9840 <--> 9903 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: BOOK MAIL try Acres of Books in Long Beach. Msg #9886 Dated 23:52:48 07-25-91 9843 <--> 9891 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: FLASH!!! Do you think they will be able to find Abbotts? Msg #9888 Dated 23:52:57 07-25-91 9863 <--> 9898 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Are there any current coin makers doing the double copper and silver with the chinese coin (hole in it) with the half dollar und english pennie? Msg #9889 Dated 23:53:03 07-25-91 9866 <--> 9890 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY Henry Morgan... now there's a GREAT!!! Msg #9890 Dated 23:53:07 07-25-91 9879 <--> 9909 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY You said what I was going to say... In order: Henry Morgan, Fred Allen, Gene Shephard and Al Jazzbo Collins (nor for his humor, but as a disk J).... bye for now.... Msg #9891 Dated 23:53:13 07-25-91 9843 <--> 9928 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: FLASH!!! Proooooooooooooove it! Msg #9892 Dated 23:53:18 07-25-91 9855 <--> 9893 From: PETE BIRO To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER At Abbott's you must reviews the silly stuff at the American Legion hall and the other stuff IN TOWN.... The organized stuff is good, but the social aspect is KILLER stuff. Ask Karrell Fox about the time he and Duke Stern had all the people follow them into the middle of town to see "more" magic. Then they proceeded to dance and make incantations, etc. and the Full Moon vanished. (They had read the Almanac and found there was a Lunar Eclipse that nite). Ho... Msg #9893 Dated 23:53:28 07-25-91 9859 <--> 9897 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Is it an Unnatural act? Ok, it's an olde joke... ts Msg #9894 Dated 0:03:45 07-26-91 9804 <--> 9895 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES I think you can use IMP (still really RDMAGIC, but close to being IMP) to send the message. Then read it and use the EDIT choice on the menu to make it private. After that, responses to it, etc. will also be private. OR If you have the newest RDMAGIC I think it allows you to ENTER a message, not just REPLY or APPEND. When you enter from scratch you are given the choice of public or private. Msg #9895 Dated 0:05:52 07-26-91 9823 <--> 9900 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES Actually, although the word "Private" appears in the command list, ECANET/MAGIC! policy states that "there are NO private messages." There are, however, personal ones. Personal messages are those which can only be read by the sender, the intended receiver and operations personnel. By using Personal (or "Private") for stuff that is not of general interest, you keep the message base for the general readership focused on magic. Msg #9896 Dated 0:09:17 07-26-91 9878 <--> 9930 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTESTS Okay Wayne, remind us again what (or who) to look for. Sometimes I have trouble matching the character to the credits and I miss who was who. Sorry to say, but I never was much of an Elvis fan, but I am a big Magic! fan. Looking forward to "seeing" you this weekend. David (the other one) Msg #9897 Dated 0:09:27 07-26-91 9855 <--> 9913 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Randy, Being a novice may give us just what we are looking for! I don't care really what tricks were done or how they did it, rather, how did the audience react, who ENTERTAINED, what "loked" magical versus what was merely a presentation of dealer items. The FISM reports gave us a wonderful flavor of what it was like to be there, and since I may not ever be able to attend one personally, reading about the gatherings at the bar, after the show, etc., may be the next best thing to being there. Enjoy yourself, wish I were there! David (the other one) Msg #9898 Dated 0:09:43 07-26-91 9863 <--> 9915 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Tabby, Tell me more! I don't recall the SASCO name or what exactly they have, but I enjoy well crafted items of all sorts. Yes, I'd be interested in buying, once I know what it is I'm getting! That reminds me, I saw Ammar's table. It looked wonderful! Are you involved in Michael's modifications to include some thread holders? One of these days I'll try to send an order your way. Can you do the Erdnase Train table with suede and feet? (just wondering) I like the idea of the bent wood construction in a standard table. Who am I kidding? STANDARD? That's like calling Michaelangelo a house painter! Later, David (the other one) Msg #9899 Dated 0:09:59 07-26-91 9867 <--> 9944 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT T A, If I remember correctly, the skaters at the last Olympics hated the compulsory figures, but they still realized the need for a technical yardstick to weed out the one time wonders from the dedicated artists As it turned out, the compulsory scores made the difference between Witt and Liz Manley since Liz clearly outskated Katerina in freestyle but didn't have the technical discipline to be awarded the gold. David (the other one) Msg #9900 Dated 0:09:27 07-26-91 9834 <--> 9958 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES By the way, since a number of the IBM Convention Committee are here on-line, in addition to Personal (or "Private") messages, we also have the ability to create a special section just for such a purpose. That means that the Committee could, if it wished, exchange messages which all Committee members could read and reply to, without the general membership of MAGIC! being involved. Msg #9901 Dated 0:12:13 07-26-91 9805 <--> 9959 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: WHATEVER I too usually pass on Geraldo shows. But thanks to an "alert" here on MAGIC! I learned of the P&T one. The tape has gone into the recycle pile. I did find the fact that he had an ethical boundary interesting, particularly since it apparently was inside of P&T's. Msg #9902 Dated 0:14:22 07-26-91 9806 <--> 10108 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: EGADS! Yes, I was being serious. I have attempted to channel my ecological concerns into areas that are not already well served. Recycling old newspapers, for example, already is popular enough that it does not need my help, other than to participate in existing programs. I have, however, identified three areas that I am active in and that are sensitive to me. The most important of these is concern for Diplasiocoela (for those other than Wells, Frogs). Because of my close attachment, I really am quite sensitive to attempts at humor which involve their mutilation. I don't want to get too long-winded about it here, but you may consider me a frog's rights activist. Second are the Octopi, most specifically Giant Octopi. As you know, they are a very unique order, virtually alien to all the other life forms on this planet (as you know, their blood is not iron based) and there is a considerable body of evidence that they are intelligent. Thirdly, I am a Plants Rights Activist. Again, too long a story to go into here, but basically it boils down to my opposition to vegitarianism. Since these items seldom arise on MAGIC!, they should not be major concerns in the flow of conversation. And I do not mind humor directed at my green pants, my nickname, or my affinity for frogs. Nor do I mind humor which shows Frogs or Octopi in a positive light - one of my favorite cartoons, for example, is the one with the Frog sitting at a resturant counter eyeing the fly in the soup of the human party next to him. He is saying something like, "You don't plan to waste that fly, do you?" I hope that the above will clarify my personal positions. I do not think them generally worthy of a discussion here on MAGIC!, but would be happy to expand upon them when next we meet. Msg #9903 Dated 0:36:44 07-26-91 9851 <--> 9904 From: EVAN KATZ To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: BOOK MAIL My fiancee, upon parking across from the Bodhi Tree to purchase a book called "Healing Your Life," opened the door of my car and had it removed by a speeding Beverly Hills High School senior in a Jeep Cherokee. We took this as a sign and have not ventured forth to the Bodhi Tree since. Msg #9904 Dated 0:39:29 07-26-91 9864 <--> 9939 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL When in October? Msg #9905 Dated 0:40:11 07-26-91 9745 <--> 9940 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Very curious, and for real reasons -- how do you keep the cats from attempting to eat the parrots? And the parrots from seriously wounding the cats? I'm thinking og annointing the house with a parrot, but think that feline residents Fred Katz and Mr. Schwartz would not sleep until they'd killed the thing. Msg #9906 Dated 0:33:28 07-26-91 9825 <--> 9955 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Actually, he seems to like both music and magic. He just returned home from his first evening at the Hollywood Bowl. His specific request for his birthday party was Big Bird doing magic and face painting. There are a few magicians that he considers highly, and, if they were available, I think he would forgo Big Bird. Alas, I don't think any of them are available for the assignment - his list would probably include Michael Ammar, Burt Carpenter, Tabby Crabb, David Copperfield, Max Maven and Dan Witkowski. His list of favorite musicians would include Jose' Carreras, Placido Domingo, Zubin Mehta, Luciano Pavarotti, and Itzhak Perlman. I'm not certain that his colleagues would be as impressed by some of these as they would be by Big Bird. Now you can understand why it is best to search for a Big Bird who does magic and face painting. Msg #9908 Dated 0:49:53 07-26-91 9206 <--> 9921 From: MARK LODGE To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: S I am working the opening shift that day and anticipate having to work brunch because I need a day off the week before. If you decide to have a get together, let me know asap and I will do what I can to assist. Mark Lodge. Msg #9909 Dated 0:53:45 07-26-91 9824 <--> 9911 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY I believe that it is often used to point out a flaw in someone else's work, so, to that extent, it is often a sign of disagreement or disapproval. Msg #9910 Dated 0:54:34 07-26-91 9744 <--> 9936 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ILLUSIONS Grrr r r o o a n n n n n n n .... Msg #9911 Dated 0:54:56 07-26-91 9866 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: LOVECRAFT/HISTORY I didn't know that having a long childhood was a negative act, although I presume that Morgan's comment concerned the apparent extent of Shepherd's otherwise chronologically normal childhood. Msg #9912 Dated 1:02:04 07-26-91 9839 <--> 9914 From: EVAN KATZ To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER I reiterate. Hair is funny. Bald is not funny. Msg #9913 Dated 0:59:41 07-26-91 9855 <--> 9929 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER I think you will do fine as a MAGIC! reviewer at Abbotts. Some of the folks here have already given some good suggestions. I think we had great coverage of the "Big Four," but I think the best coverage was done by Arnaud and the Dutch team - he really delivered the "flavor" of FISM, not just the statistics and yet he didn't go overboard and miss the details of the shows, contests, etc. Just go, have fun, and tell us all about it! Msg #9914 Dated 1:03:11 07-26-91 9869 <--> 9922 From: EVAN KATZ To: T A WATERS (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Perhaps if I were bald I would find it funny. But as baldness is not a state I enjoy, but one that is constantly THREATENS to exist, the humor meter will not budge off zero. Msg #9915 Dated 1:04:48 07-26-91 9863 <--> 9916 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS WOW! Your contribution and thoughtfulness are really something, Tabman, and yeah, we need the money! And the SASCO stuff is GOOD. I bought a TON of it at the IBM Con. Nice quality, nice workpersonship, etc. Msg #9916 Dated 1:06:44 07-26-91 9863 <--> 9938 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Why not upload the list so's people can make a judgement re their needs? Msg #9919 Dated 1:12:06 07-26-91 9882 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HEALTH OK That is great, Pete! Hope they got things under control. Msg #9922 Dated 1:16:14 07-26-91 9912 <--> 9950 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Hair on head is not funny. Hair under arms and between toes is funny. Hair on face is only funny when it is gender specific. Msg #9928 Dated 4:48:43 07-26-91 9795 <--> 9972 From: BILL WELLS To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: FLASH!!! Thanks for your confidence in my abilities, but I did the job from 1980 until 1984 and while it took me four years to find another who was dum...er brilliant enough to do the job, having found the person, I have NO INTENTION of doing it again. Maybe they could send a tape to Peter...that is a video tape, not audio. Msg #9930 Dated 4:49:08 07-26-91 9797 <--> 9943 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTESTS Does Jerry plan to sign onto the board? I know that he has a computer, but not sure if he has a modem. As Chairman of the Awards and Incentives Committee, Jerry has had to serve many masters. It is a thankless job and Jerry has handled many sensitive and difficult problems well over the years. He cannot necessarily solve all the supposed problems by himself. The contest discussion thread has been interesting, but I am not yet convinced there is a major problem that requires resolution. Even if a current awarding of the Cups raises questions, that does not necessarily mean the current system needs a fix. I haven't heard those complaints in past years. Msg #9934 Dated 6:08:03 07-26-91 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOKS Thanks, I'll ask Richard about the Sardina as I think he's interested in it. Man, I can hardly keep up with all these messages and everything else that's goingon now! But I like trying. Charlie Msg #9936 Dated 7:22:57 07-26-91 9871 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: ILLUSIONS That's another good one, TA. I've got to try and remember that one. Could come in handy sometime. Msg #9938 Dated 7:23:07 07-26-91 9898 <--> 9941 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Yes, Michael and I worked via phone and fax for several months on the threaders which were built in several versions. The ideas and inspiration were from Michael and the design and construction are from me. As per usual around here, I finished the table he took to SAM and FISM exactly one hour before Pete, Frog and I left Kraborg for IBM conv working on it throughout their visit to my planet. In fact, I wish I had some photos of Pete complete with goggles working in the tabman shop helping me complete the project. I'll see if I can get some info on Sasco for you. David Lichtman turned me on to their company while at IBM. They make pretty much a complete line of coin stuff, much of it quite nice. Lets see, 151 different items on the list. Msg #9939 Dated 7:23:19 07-26-91 9904 <--> 10027 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Don't know yet, Evan. When I come out, I want to make the best of it since it's 3000+ miles and I don't know how many trips are left in the old shop broom. Msg #9940 Dated 7:23:24 07-26-91 9905 <--> 9960 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Parrots reside in an outdoor aviary. It was an experiment based on some work started by a breeder from Norway and carried on in Germany. We set out to breed solid yellow birds (lutino) in a colony situation but our most beautiful female has so far destroyed over 15 young. We did get one full yellow chick. One cat, Inky, slipped into the pen last year to sample a bird and they (the birds) almost killed her. She gives the aviary wide birth now. We fhad some birds in the house in individual cages, but the cats tended to dive at the cages, etc. Usually better to introduce cohabitats when young. Msg #9941 Dated 7:23:34 07-26-91 9915 <--> 9942 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS How are the sales of the MAGIC! manual doing? Any takers? If everybod that signs onto the system regularly sent in their 12 bucks, I know it would help. I'd buy another one if I hadn't spent a hundred bucks having the cover designed and drawn by Joe Norris. I don't mind help- ing out. I figured that's why I'm on the board of advisors. I know it isn't my good looks or my easy to get along with personality. Msg #9942 Dated 7:23:41 07-26-91 9916 <--> 9951 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS OK, I'll do it when I get a chance to get it punched in. One of these days I'll get a scanner, but it's way down the list of stuff needed. Will get to it as time allows. Msg #9943 Dated 7:23:46 07-26-91 9930 <--> 9949 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS Jerry is understanding and easy to work with from my perspective and a gentle host of the awards ceremony. Plus, he looks great in a tux. Msg #9944 Dated 7:23:51 07-26-91 9867 <--> 9945 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT From my perspective watching the contests closely, there was a lot of repetition. Maybe an answer would be to dissallow any repetition at all. Would be hard to do though. Maybe NO RULES is the best way to go. Msg #9945 Dated 7:23:57 07-26-91 9868 <--> 9947 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Now we're getting somewhere_A Performance Art_. This puts it into a new perspective. Msg #9947 Dated 7:24:09 07-26-91 9873 <--> 9954 From: TABBY CRABB To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT It is an invisible message, sort of like the king's new cloths. Didnt you see it? I would be interested in getting your lecture notes if they are available. How do I? Msg #9948 Dated 7:24:15 07-26-91 9877 <--> 9952 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Oh, sorry. Powers' fave group of magi. Msg #9949 Dated 7:24:19 07-26-91 9878 <--> 9953 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTESTS I once took the LSAT. Is that cheap enuff. Msg #9950 Dated 7:24:23 07-26-91 9884 <--> 9963 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER I have two of the Symposium Collections and some Pabular issues a round here. I'll look and see what I've got when I get a chance. Msg #9951 Dated 7:24:27 07-26-91 9888 <--> 9956 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS I'm not aware of any makers doing the double copper/silver/brass. Maybe Johnson is making one, but I haven't seen their catalog in years. Sasco lists a_Post Silver/Copper/Brass. Msg #9952 Dated 7:24:32 07-26-91 9893 <--> 9962 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER They're all un-natural. Msg #9953 Dated 7:24:36 07-26-91 9896 <--> 9975 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: CONTESTS Wayne plays the part of Joey Esposito, Elvis' show builder, etc. . Once, when we (Urban Cowboy Band) played a show in NYC, I took Johnny Lee (Lookin For Love) to Tannen's. With us was Mike Schalaci, Gene de Jean's stepson, and Tony Spina gave us a nice tour. Johnny bought two hand flashers and we were off. When we got back to Texas he had been using them in Charlie Daniel's "Devil Went Down To Ga" song. The lights would go black on the part that said_"fire flew from his finger tips"_ and Johnny would let off a double volley. We were playing Gilley's Club. The ceiling was just a couple of feet above ou r heads and when Johnny fired the hand cannons (loaded to the max, I must add) the burning flash paper bounced off the ceiling and dropped straight down, still burning, toward a woman sitting in the front row. She had a large "bee hive" hairdo with about three cans of spray onit holding it up. You should of seen our faces as we watched the fireball descend toward her head and we were imagining an explosion as they ignited her highly flammable head. As luck would have it, the flashpaper ball burned out about five inches before setting her o n fire. She never knew she was in danger. We'd been doing large auds and the double loads were great with the headroom but now with a low ceiling. Msg #9954 Dated 7:24:54 07-26-91 9899 <--> 9957 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The athelets grumble alla time, but they do the stuff since thats the rules. In the shooting events, they measure clothing thickness with a micrometer, etc. This is to put everyone at the same advantage/dis- advantage. But, this isn't art. If I understand correctly, Magic as an Art shouldn't be measured by skill, but by presentation. To me, Art isn't what you take out, but what you put in. Msg #9955 Dated 7:25:03 07-26-91 9906 <--> 9961 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Now, there's a show for you. Placido, Max, and Big Bird. Plays to the heart, the mind, and the child. Let's book it! Msg #9956 Dated 8:41:22 07-26-91 9898 <--> 9964 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS I recently saw one of the houses Michealangelo paints. He was a bit sloppy. The owners told me they had to scrap a lot off around the window edges. And the house always looked like the sun was coming from the same direction. Msg #9957 Dated 8:41:29 07-26-91 9899 <--> 9967 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Right on bro.... you see the need for them all to do the same trick, example, Vernon's cups and balls -- sans changes -- gives a truer measure of one's ability. I have seen many "so called" top guys FLASH the loads and palms terribly. If you are going to do this and cannot do it without the fatal flash... which non magi will see too... you don't measure up near the top. A great argument re the Cups and Balls, over the fact that the Paul Fox cups were best because the loads would almost look bigger than the cups was turned to RUBISH by Ken Brooke. He grabbed the cups and we went to a local pub, he spotted a group of about 4 people (about 30 yr olds) butted right in, did the Vernon routine finishing with some small, old beat up looking lemons he had. They were not too much bigger than the balls he was doing the lead in part of the effect with. And when he revealed the final loads the place went wild! He got up and said, "See (to the guy swearing that BIG was what was important) it DOESN'T MATTER what the size... IT'S THE CHANGE!" His Skill was impeccable... he fooled everyone... and at the same time was HIGHLY ENTERTAINING. Msg #9958 Dated 8:41:50 07-26-91 9900 <--> 9990 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES OK ... BUT THERE AREN'T THAT MANY MSGS TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE ARE THERE? Msg #9959 Dated 8:41:54 07-26-91 9901 <- From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: WHATEVER I guess I missed Heraldo.... arggghhh what a loss.... Msg #9960 Dated 8:41:59 07-26-91 9905 <--> 9986 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION You haven't seen the HOUSE Tabman built for the birds... a literall Tweety Condo.... har... Msg #9961 Dated 8:42:04 07-26-91 9906 <--> 9970 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Gee you must not let him watch MTV much. Msg #9962 Dated 8:42:08 07-26-91 9913 <--> 9977 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER You THINK he delivered the FLAVOR.... hah.... you shudda been there. Seriously, he did a great job. Msg #9963 Dated 8:42:13 07-26-91 9914 <--> 10029 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Bald, hair, matters not... some of each are funny. I think you are funny first. Then the hair might change. If you are not funny, and you become bald you stay not funny. I happen to be half and half, and now that's funny. Msg #9964 Dated 8:42:20 07-26-91 9915 <--> 9966 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS 2,000 lbs. of mutilated U.S. Fed. Govt. Property. Shame.... (Do they make the Chinese Bit set?) Msg #9966 Dated 8:42:35 07-26-91 9938 <--> 9969 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS That wasn't work! Ifn' it is short and eazy could you check the SASCO list... am looking for supplier of the double copper silver, in the Chinese coin version. ie: English Penny, Chinese Coin, Half Dollar and the gaff is Half dollar with chinese coin (didnt' I send you one? sure... you know the set... but I need a source for a quantity to help a dealer friend sell it with a special routine. Msg #9967 Dated 8:42:45 07-26-91 9944 <--> 9968 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Milt Larsen has a philosophy about duplication of effects. He says it should be looked at like music and you watch to see the ARRANGEMENT each individual puts together. He even felt that stealing material was OK if the arrangement was better or different. (I am paraphrasing here) SIC? Msg #9968 Dated 8:42:52 07-26-91 9947 <--> 10085 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You attend his lecture and at the end, fight the frenzied crowd that is charging the table with money to hand. At least that's the reaction I always get.... Msg #9969 Dated 8:42:59 07-26-91 9951 <--> 9983 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS I think it is the POST. You know the gaff, it has the "post" that fits into the chinese hole with the little piece of a half dollar. What do they get for it? Msg #9970 Dated 8:43:07 07-26-91 9955 <--> 9976 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED I'll need to see a video before I book anything! Msg #9971 Dated 9:11:31 07-26-91 9865 <--> 10669 From: DARRELL MURPHY To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA Great will look forward to seeing you there. Msg #9972 Dated 9:15:40 07-26-91 9886 <--> 9973 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FLASH!!! I gave them the address myself! 'W. Msg #9973 Dated 9:16:21 07-26-91 9891 <--> 9974 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FLASH!!! Venture forth to see their show and you can prove it for yourself!!! 'W. Msg #9974 Dated 9:17:26 07-26-91 9928 <--> 10643 From: WAYNE POWERS To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: FLASH!!! Maybe they could send him scotch tape? Jim, Vic & Shag don't neeeed no steeeeeekin' veeeedeeeeo!!! 'W. Msg #9975 Dated 9:26:10 07-26-91 9949 <--> 9979 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTESTS Nahhh....that means you have CREDENTIALS! I can't afford that! 'W. Msg #9976 Dated 9:31:28 07-26-91 9906 <--> 9987 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED How could he like lightweight, nasal screechers like Domingo and Pavarotti and not appreciate the REAL work of Caruso, Gigli and Lanza???!!! 'W. Msg #9977 Dated 9:33:55 07-26-91 9948 <--> 9978 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Actually, they are billed as "JIM, VIC & SHAG: THE WORLD'S LARGEST MAGIC DUO!" 'Wayne. Msg #9979 Dated 10:42:50 07-26-91 9930 <--> 10098 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS I believe that Jerry does have plans to join us here on MAGIC! I've stayed out of the contest discussion for a variety of reasons. But I tend to concur with your thoughts. Msg #9985 Dated 10:58:18 07-26-91 9964 <--> 9994 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Actually, I believe they transformed the property into art. I believe they do make a Chinese Bit set, but El-Tab has the list. Msg #9986 Dated 11:01:06 07-26-91 9960 <--> 9999 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Do you realize I was in Kraborg for three days and I NEVER saw the aviary or the parrots??? Is it out past the golf course? Or the studio? Or is it just in some section of the vast demesne that I never got to? Guess I should have taken the bus tour of Kraborg, huh? Msg #9987 Dated 11:09:44 07-26-91 9955 <--> 9988 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Yeah, but do we book it for a music convention, a magic convention, or an ornithologists convention? Maybe the best venue would be the Music City Conclave! Msg #9988 Dated 11:11:09 07-26-91 9961 <--> 9989 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED In truth, no. He has only seen snippets of MTV. He thinks that the video system only gets CNN (which he likes for the sports news), PBS (for Sesame Street) and videos. It is not out of my lack of respect for MTV that this is the case. It is just that we are not big television watchers. Many evenings the set doesn't get turned on at all. Msg #9989 Dated 11:13:37 07-26-91 9976 <--> 10000 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED You have a point, except for Lanza. But he is still at the stage where he prefers visuals with his music (for the most part). If you haven't already seen it, the Carreras-Domingo-Pavarotti In Concert video is a KILLER. Msg #9990 Dated 11:20:46 07-26-91 9958 <--> 10102 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES No, but I figured that I would make the offer of a section if the Committee wanted it. Msg #9994 Dated 11:46:20 07-26-91 9966 <--> 9995 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Will check.Sasco is close by in Philly. Will giveum a call in a few and letcha know. Msg #9995 Dated 11:46:25 07-26-91 9969 <--> 9997 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS The Post set is the one I think, but will still givem a call. The list on it is 30 bux, but can be gotten cheaper. How many do ya'll need? Msg #9996 Dated 11:46:31 07-26-91 9977 <--> 10212 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER That's good. Msg #9999 Dated 11:46:43 07-26-91 9986 <--> 10006 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I'm sorry. I guess you missed the walking tour of the place. The aviary is located down the Poison Ivy path just south of the east wing. === END OF MAGIC-40 ===
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