MAGIC! - 41
The following was compiled from the magician's message section of MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! is an electronic communications system for magicians. It may be accessed from any personal computer with a modem by dialing US 818-896-7450. Access is free, except for normal telephone company charges. New registrants must leave a comment with their name, address, phone number and a brief resume of their magic background to be considered for membership. The material herein should be treated as confidentially as other magic information. Copyright 1991 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved. Msg #10000 Dated 11:46:48 07-26-91 9987 <--> 10001 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED I guess we could book big bird for the MCC. Do you want a gig as big? Am thinking of adding Tim Wenk to the Sat lineup, but have never seen him. I know he's done some good stuff. What do you think? Msg #10001 Dated 11:46:53 07-26-91 9988 <--> 10002 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED While I was visiting techy haven for five days, I never saw the tv turned on once. Msg #10002 Dated 11:50:27 07-26-91 9989 <--> 10007 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Had Lanza not been a dilletante, he had the gift which would have enabled him to be the next Caruso. Domingo and Pavarotti are overblown shams, fakes, mere shadows...victims of their own press releases. 'W. Msg #10006 Dated 13:22:17 07-26-91 9999 <--> 10008 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Oh, OK, I think I know, in general, where the aviary is then. Let's see, the golf course was on the west side, no? Msg #10007 Dated 13:23:08 07-26-91 10000 <--> 10009 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Congraulations on posting the 10,000th message in MAGIC! Volume Two (the 20,000th MAGIC! message since inception). Since we are not at a MAGIC! Anniversary date, I'm going to let the numbers keep rolling. I know Wenk through his marketed effects - Mislead, for one - and have never had the pleasure of seeing him perform or lecture. I believe JIM SISTI knows him and could probably provide more info. Msg #10008 Dated 13:34:38 07-26-91 9986 <--> 10012 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I was in the opposite directione of the Studio... matter of fact whilst you wuz eating the chicken and ribbs you had your back to the huge assed aviary! Msg #10009 Dated 13:34:44 07-26-91 9988 <--> 10015 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED I have almost not even turned my tv (or anyone) on for a month! Msg #10011 Dated 13:34:54 07-26-91 9995 <--> 10013 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Ken Brooke line, marketed by Joe Stevens, has the Killer Routine for the coin set and Joe is out of coins. He might want a hundred? I dunno not being a dealer of conjurian eff... er, argh... that word... conjuring, wheh, effects. Msg #10012 Dated 13:35:02 07-26-91 9999 <--> 10014 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I know, you added another Wing to the Hotel de Carlo and it still won't fly. Tsk. Msg #10014 Dated 14:17:17 07-26-91 10006 <--> 10016 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Let's see. Before anybody getz the wrong idea that I'm affluent (not) I want to say that it's just a three holer course. Pitching wedge and putter, but a course nontheless, designed by Dino Roberts of Nevada Bob's Golf. Yes, it's (goluf) on west and north. 1st hole by studio, 9th hole by spring, 18th hole due west of house. Due to my arthritic condition, I rarely swing a club though. I'm just a dreamer who tries to make things happen. I just always wanted to live on a goluf course so I installed a few holes for grins.Msg #10015 Dated 14:17:27 07-26-91 10007 <--> 10020 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Heck, Jim Sisti gave him my number. Dante told me Tim Wenk won some stuff for invention over at FISM. I'm trying to work out the sat sked to get everybody in. I'm already over budget sooooo. Msg #10016 Dated 14:17:32 07-26-91 10008 <--> 10018 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION You are first guy to know how to spell ribbs correctly. Msg #10017 Dated 14:17:36 07-26-91 10011 <--> 10023 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS I have a call into them now, but looks like they knocked off early. Soon as I find out if it's the same set as that you sent me I will get back 2 U. Msg #10018 Dated 14:17:41 07-26-91 10012 <--> 10019 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Say, how was your visit with the Lenomeister last night? Msg #10019 Dated 14:31:39 07-26-91 10014 <--> 10037 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Well, apparently, I missed the aviary. Guess I'll just have to see it next time. And I want a shot at the golf course too. We were just too busy on the last trip. Msg #10020 Dated 14:33:54 07-26-91 10009 <--> 10021 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Your poor TV! And all that expense for clothes too! Poor girl! You might consider mending your ways and getting her out of her combat boots and Levi's (tm). Lately, we just seem to have too much to do in real life to worry about watching television. I DO appreciate the television alerts that people post here though. If nothing else, I can instruct one of our robot VCR's to watch it for us. Msg #10021 Dated 14:37:13 07-26-91 10015 <--> 10038 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Better keep an eye on that budget, lest you have to let the public in to play on your golf course. Msg #10026 Dated 15:38:07 07-26-91 9863 <--> 10034 From: STAN LAKE To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS I'm interested. I don't know what it is but I'll buy some if it will help Magic! Msg #10027 Dated 15:43:23 07-26-91 9864 <--> 10028 From: STAN LAKE To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL As soon as I find out about the swap meet date I will let you know. I'll keep it posted on my list of things to do until I DO find out. Msg #10028 Dated 15:47:17 07-26-91 9885 <--> 10036 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BOOK MAIL If I'm ever in Long Beach I'll remember that. Sounds rather LARGE! Msg #10029 Dated 15:55:28 07-26-91 9875 <--> 10030 From: STAN LAKE To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Can you give us some idea what the book coming out next year will contain? Msg #10030 Dated 15:58:42 07-26-91 9912 <--> 10032 From: STAN LAKE To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER OK, I'm going to start making a list of things not to mention here again. Let's see, so far we have heads sans hair, legs sans frogs, and the indiscriminate use of quotation marks. Let's not forget Abbott's address. Anything else? Msg #10032 Dated 18:25:00 07-26-91 9922 <--> 10033 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Says you. Msg #10033 Dated 18:26:21 07-26-91 10030 <--> 10086 From: EVAN KATZ To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER I'll get back to you. Msg #10035 Dated 18:30:31 07-26-91 9966 <--> 10040 From: EVAN KATZ To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Pete-- I know we discussed this way back, and I finally got the idea of what the Chinese coin gaff was -- but lemme ask you a questions -- why not use the set where the gaff is the half dollar? What are the advantages? Msg #10036 Dated 18:31:38 07-26-91 9939 <--> 10106 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOK MAIL No, when is your BIRTHDAY? Mine's in Oct. as well, wanted to know if the dates were close... for no good reason I can think of. Msg #10038 Dated 18:38:35 07-26-91 10002 <--> 10045 From: EVAN KATZ To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Mark Twain on opera: "Sounds like when they burned the orphanage down." Msg #10039 Dated 19:18:03 07-26-91 -> 10043 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: ALL Re: LINKING PINS OK, I know they're nothing new or innovative; I know they've been done ad nauseum, but that's what being an amateur magi is all about! That said, does anyone have a copy of the routine that came with Andrus's Linking Pins, or know of a book that has aLinkin Pin routine or routines? I just like them, what can I say? I haven't done them in a while, and moving from Boston to NY to LA within four years didn't exactly help my filing system! Any advice would be muchly appreciated! Msg #10041 Dated 19:28:38 07-26-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: ER Re: WAS BORN OCTOBER 7, 1945 school teacher. Msg #10043 Dated 19:37:23 07-26-91 10039 <--> 10046 From: TABBY CRABB To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: LINKING PINS I too love the Linking Pins. Jerry Andrus wrote a small book on them which is probably available at your local magic shop. I think his work with the pins was/is brilliant. I have his address should you be unable to find the book. I probably have a copy of the original instructions in my files someplace too should you be unable to find. Also try leaving a message for Charlie Randall here on MAGIC! as he and his pard Dick Hatch have a magic book biz and may be able to supply same used. Msg #10045 Dated 19:57:18 07-26-91 10038 <--> 10055 From: WAYNE POWERS To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Someone who heard Mark Twain sing: "Sounds like when they burned the cathouse down." 'W. (Ol' Samuel wasn't internationally recognized for his taste in music.) Msg #10046 Dated 20:18:33 07-26-91 10043 <--> 10049 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LINKING PINS Thanks for the quick response - I'll try Charlie Randall and let you know the results! Louis Tannen's hasn't been much help - I figured that if anybody would have something, they would. But such is life... Msg #10047 Dated 20:20:35 07-26-91 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: LINKING PINS Hi - I'm new on the line; Tabby Crabb suggested I ask you if you can help me find a book written by Jerry Andrus on the Linking Pins. I seem to have lost the routine that originally came with my set and I'd really like to work with them again. I understand you handle a lot of magic books - does this ring any bells? Msg #10048 Dated 20:28:23 07-26-91 10014 <--> 10054 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION What is it that you do in your real life, anyway? Msg #10049 Dated 20:43:37 07-26-91 10039 <--> 10059 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: LINKING PINS Not a clone of the Andrus Linking Pins, but there are a couple of safety-pin routines in Weber's Lifesavers. Msg #10053 Dated 22:08:15 07-26-91 9506 <--> 10997 From: DANTE LARSEN To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TV I was just going back to the segment on Americas Funniest Home Videos and the chair suspension that got exposed at the expense of what was supposed to be funny. I don't think that a submitter would be to ethical about sending in a tape filled with exposures if there was money involved. I should say some submitters, sorry. At any rate, why does magic have to be exposed to be funny? Roggins heroes showed the fella getting gored by the bulls in the balls in Pamplona with a statement that was supposed to be humorous while on other news stations they were playing the serious side of it. Actually, I just don't trust T.V. executives. Network ones anyway. Msg #10054 Dated 22:26:26 07-26-91 10014 <--> 10057 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION How deep are the holes? Msg #10055 Dated 22:26:32 07-26-91 10015 <--> 10071 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED There was no first prize for Invention at FISM. There was a second prize (you see you need 80 or more points to gain first place) given and that was to Wenk. He did Misled, a rope effect and his paper effect with the punched hole messages. The concensus of the Jury was that Misled and the Rope idea WERE NEW INVENTIONS, but the paper item was a re-do of an old principle. Thus not enuf points for a First. I disagree, I believe the guy with most points i is first... AND... I don't agree with the name of category. I think a prize shoud be called "Best New Trick". I really ikd thestuff Yogano had, but I think they don't like the guy politically and he didn't place. Third prize was for the new gaff to do zombie. It was a very good new hookup. But same ole twick. Msg #10056 Dated 22:26:47 07-26-91 10017 <--> 10058 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Gracias. I will then get the info to good ole joe... Msg #10057 Dated 22:26:53 07-26-91 10018 <--> 10061 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Leno was at his best. Did TWO HOURS!!! Lotsa new stuff. Like his folks don't know how to set the VCR so they use it as a night light. Even tho it blinks on and off at 12:00 they can still make it to the bathroom! He slid me and my pal into his dressing room while he changed and we rapped until 10 seconds before he went onstage. After he slipped us into the VIP reception. It was the usual crap of the greats and near greats rammin and jammin trying to get his attention, and autograph. Cool, me I just stood my spot and LENO came over to me! Har... He asked me to call him next time I go south and come over to see his new garage! I (and my pal mostly) are setting him up to see the private collection of cars owned by Otis Chandler (owner of the LA Times!!!). Ya... also Leno is going to be at Caesars in couple of weeks and I will be in Vegas for a race. He said to call him at the hotel and we can hang out! Great guy. Don't like the bs limelight stuff, just wants to rap about stuff and cars!!!! Msg #10058 Dated 22:27:13 07-26-91 10035 <--> 10072 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS The gaff is always the half dollar. The hole in the coin makes it much more noticeable than a Mexican copper Peso (alongside an English copper penny). IE: You use a silver half dollar, a copper English Penny and a smaller Chinese coin with hole in it. They all look totally different. The throw off to a gaff is how to hide a coin with a hole in it. The post with the small piece of a half dollar is a genius idea!!! When Joe Stevens gets all the pieces he will RE ISSUE the "Chinese Bit" a Ken Brooke item... then you will have one of the great coin effects extant. Also the Silver to Copper using a USA penny and Silver dollar, in spectator's hands is very very strong commercial item. The blowoff is the Dollar becomes a Penny (the dollar size giant one). Never work without it! Msg #10059 Dated 22:27:30 07-26-91 10043 <--> 10060 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LINKING PINS There are many rip off artists out there that make inferior sets of pins, but cleverly all print the original instructions! Arrghh. You might also research Piff Paff Poof, handling with ungaffed pins, and th Slydini version, sans gaff. Jeff Busby sells a killer version by Gaeton Bloome that will fool those in the know. Msg #10060 Dated 22:27:37 07-26-91 10046 <--> 10063 From: PETE BIRO To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: LINKING PINS Tannen sells just about everyone's stuff... with or without permission!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Msg #10061 Dated 22:27:43 07-26-91 10048 <--> 10064 From: PETE BIRO To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Tabby, has no real life. He is a mystical mirage. However, there is literally nothing he either has not done or soon will do. And what he has done and will do is par excellencia to say the least. I mean, who else do you know lives on a three hole golf course without clubs or balls? And has $7,000 worth of rifle bullets in the hallway? Msg #10063 Dated 22:31:04 07-26-91 10046 <--> 10074 From: TABBY CRABB To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: LINKING PINS Hank Lee in Boston (800)874-7400 is a good source for most in print books. Msg #10064 Dated 22:31:08 07-26-91 10048 <--> 10067 From: TABBY CRABB To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I have been a professional in the music industry since 1971. Formerly a player. I started out to change the world with a song and then the world changed me so I dropped out. I've made some connections for a few song writers and have been managing rock bands for the past few years. Two years ago I decided to dream again and let the magic happen. During my tenure as an independent record producer I helped put 11 records in the charts. Was in a grammy winner in 1980 or 81 I forget now. I work with only one band now, Bone Pony. They are young and wild like I used to be and I understand where they are comi ng from so I try to help any way I can. I've been building stuff for magicians, mostly tabman tables, of late. I intend BP to be my last go. 80% of my time is involved with magic and I couldn't be happier with this or with the people with which I now associate. I find magicians to be among the most intelligent people on the planet, and perfer them to the shuck and jive of the "real" world. Within the world of magic I've found a place for me. As my friend, Mike King put it; Camalot. Now only if I can figure out how to move this place to the mountains east of LA. Msg #10067 Dated 22:37:05 07-26-91 10064 <--> 10070 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Actually, Tabby Crabb is one of the finest conglomerates ever to inhabit a single body. In addition to the things he told you, he is the Emperor of Kraborg and the General Manager of the Hotel de Carlo. He is a lot of brains, a huge amount of heart, and mostly magic. Msg #10070 Dated 23:01:31 07-26-91 10054 <--> 10073 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION They are interconnected by moles. Msg #10071 Dated 23:01:35 07-26-91 10055 <--> 10121 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Ah yes. Yogano's Improved Peirced. I've seen photos and it looks great. Did he do this one at FISM? or some other. Did Paul Harris get you on the phone today. I suggested taht he call you since I didn have an answer for his question. I've decided to add Wenk to the lineup. I want Music City to set an example for a teaching conclave and hope (hope, hope, hope) to break some new ground here. Msg #10072 Dated 23:01:42 07-26-91 10056 <--> 10087 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS I should know Monday and will give you a call at your house up on the creek. How's the fishin. I'm coming out there as I need to air my brain. I'll be caught up in a month or so. Worked some things out today and am getting back on track. Msg #10073 Dated 23:01:49 07-26-91 10057 <--> 10076 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Am glad you got by to see him. My comp at Trop is good til end of August and I could use a good BJ game to set me right, but I've promised myself that I'll keep on working. Would be nice to have lunch with you and Geno in LV though. Glad to hear yo assistant and pal is doing good. That's a relief I know. It's amazing what a little limelight will do to you. Glad to hear he's above it all. It's pretty funny. I took a couple of girls to a premier party for Urban Cowboy and one of them almost crushed the guy that plays Tatoo on Fantasy Island's hand (ask Becky Blaney, not her but she was one of the girls Got to rap with Sean Connery that night and he was a regular guy. He came up (real quiet) and told us he liked our music and hung out with the band for a while. Msg #10074 Dated 23:02:01 07-26-91 10059 <--> 10075 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LINKING PINS I guess I was lucky and got a set of Andrus pins years ago. They are still cookin. I've heard about the Bloom effect but haven't seen it. Piff Paff Poof is good. After seeing Jerry Andrus I got into the pins for awhile and worked out a routine using the shrinking pin, etc. Msg #10075 Dated 23:02:08 07-26-91 10060 <--> 10088 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LINKING PINS All on back order. Msg #10076 Dated 23:02:13 07-26-91 10061 <--> 10093 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Appreciate the good words. Cindy's question forced me to think about my life. I'm still thinking and it's way past my bedtime. You're a good friend. G'nite. Thanks. Msg #10083 Dated 0:20:08 07-27-91 9908 <--> 10342 From: TOMMY WONDER To: MARK LODGE (X) Re: S Look forward to meeting you. I do not know how things are arranged, but we'll see. Till then. Msg #10085 Dated 0:24:07 07-27-91 9947 <--> 10089 From: TOMMY WONDER To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I do have lecture notes, but not here with me in the states. I can send them to you however when I am back in Holland. Just give me your adres one of these days. Msg #10086 Dated 0:25:27 07-27-91 10029 <--> 10092 From: TOMMY WONDER To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER I am writing about theorys, at least how I feel about several subjects. I will do this with one trick as example, the one trick has all the things applied. This will hopefully also tell people that there are a lot of things to consider, even in just one trick. Also a book will come out with all my previous things and some new material which has never seen print before. A lot of work though, but slowly but surely it is getting into shape. Msg #10087 Dated 0:25:13 07-27-91 10058 <--> 10104 From: EVAN KATZ To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Okay, I think I've got it. The gaff in my set is a shell Chinese coin (with hole) that fits over a gaff that shows centavo on one side, and half dollar on the other. I THINK you're saying that the advantage of the "pegged" gaff is that it allows you to use an English Penny rather than a centavo, and that this allows for three, more diff. looking coins. Personally if this is what you meant, I don't see the big diff., as in the unpegged version you've got three of the same-sized coins, it's just the chinese coin that's the size of the half (instead of the English Penny). BUT I'm not sure my interptration of what you said is right -- I'm having conceptual trouble, for some reason, with this one... What's the matter with me? Why can't I "see" this? Msg #10088 Dated 0:29:18 07-27-91 10039 <--> 10094 From: TOMMY WONDER To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: LINKING PINS I would not worry too much wether it is not new or not, if you like the effect, why not. Do look into the work of Han van Senus, I think some of it was published in Apocalypse. It is really great. Michael Webber also has some work on that in Life Savers. For the rest I do not know information for you, but do not forget Han van Senus! Msg #10089 Dated 0:34:30 07-27-91 9867 <--> 10090 From: TOMMY WONDER To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I think you are quite right. Personally, if a performer who works in the same circuit as I do, does a certain effect I will stay away from it, since it would be very bad, both for me and the other performer. Too many agents already feel that magicians are interchangeble. I do not however mind too much if people do the same effect but are working totally different markets, but the ideal would of couse be that there would be no duplication at all. And the least one should do is to make the effect one's own, notonly to differentiate between performers, but what I think is more important, to have one's own personality come out. That I think is very essential. Msg #10090 Dated 0:38:57 07-27-91 9899 <--> 10091 From: TOMMY WONDER To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Technique no doubt is important to give the artist as much possibilities as possible. It is terrible when you cannot do something the way you want because of a lack of technique. On the other hand, magic is NO sport! When a performer comes at a level where we start talking business, then I firmly believe that there is no jury in the world capable of judging the technique involved. Even when asked to do for instance a double lift and nothing more. At the point where a level is reached where the magician is proficient, it cannot be truly judged anymore. And I do not think that that matters a lot at all. Because as I said, magic is no sport. Msg #10091 Dated 0:44:15 07-27-91 9967 <--> 10107 From: TOMMY WONDER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The arrangement is everything. Most painters have stolen the colours from other painters also, but it is how you arrange the material you work with! Msg #10092 Dated 0:45:50 07-27-91 9884 <--> 10095 From: TOMMY WONDER To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Gee Max, you know better than I do where some of my things are published! Had forgotten about a few of them. I suppose I am getting old! Msg #10094 Dated 1:06:23 07-27-91 10088 <--> 10118 From: MAX MAVEN To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: LINKING PINS Also, the van Senus version has led to further developments by Dan Garrett and Bruce Bernstein, both of whom have marketed their versions. Msg #10095 Dated 1:11:54 07-27-91 10092 <--> 10124 From: MAX MAVEN To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Both of us! Msg #10098 Dated 2:45:08 07-27-91 9787 <--> 10130 From: JERRY BURTON To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CONTESTS I may be totally wrong, but it appears to me that the judges, at leas t for close-up at IBM, are pulled from the membership of the sponsori ng ring. . Based on a prior thread regarding the general knowledge and criteria for ring membership, what kind of judges do they have ? . I base this comment on a discussion I overheard prior to the close-up contest, of a member of the Baltimore ring being thrown in at the last second to fill the judges panel in that particuliar room. I had met this guy three years ago at the DMS and he had just retired from Govt service and was just getting into magic. I don't know how competent he may have been, but 3 years of magic and being a member of a ring doesn't seem like a whole lot of experience to be able to judge a broad range of close-up acts. Msg #10099 Dated 2:45:28 07-27-91 9683 <--> 10183 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: RESPONSES Ear rings ?? I didn't know you were a cross-dresser. Did they match the dress ? Msg #10100 Dated 2:45:32 07-27-91 9791 <- From: JERRY BURTON To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEO OR ?? I carry those in my wallet. Msg #10101 Dated 2:45:35 07-27-91 9759 <- From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SPEED COURSE DUTCH Har-de-har-har - great line. Fluent in all lang... Msg #10102 Dated 2:45:39 07-27-91 9802 <--> 10103 From: JERRY BURTON To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES Start a new thread using the E function. I asked David if the system could allow private responses to public threads. Check with him to see if he has been able to come up with anything. Msg #10103 Dated 2:45:43 07-27-91 9834 <--> 10131 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES You can always use the E function to start the thread and make it private through IMP!. Msg #10104 Dated 2:45:50 07-27-91 9863 <--> 10122 From: JERRY BURTON To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Do they have an 1964 Kennedy half oversize shells ?? Msg #10105 Dated 2:45:56 07-27-91 9881 <--> 10112 From: JERRY BURTON To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL I understand the clone comment, but what are you implying with respect to the reference to Jeff McBride ? Msg #10106 Dated 2:46:00 07-27-91 9883 <--> 10113 From: JERRY BURTON To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: BOOK MAIL Have been meaning to make a trip up there. Is there anything worth while in the used book section ? I'm particuliar interested in High Magick. Msg #10107 Dated 2:46:05 07-27-91 10090 <--> 10109 From: JERRY BURTON To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT In the context of magic contests though doesn't it become like a sporting event ? A competition with winners. The point of having a set of compulsaries is exactly as you state - if everyone were required to do the same sleights, then those that were truly competen t in the sleights could would come out the same. The differenting factor would then only hinge on performnce, and the personality and presentation of the performer. . Those that didn't have the basic technical ability would be scored accordingly. Pete's comment's regarding the cups and balls are a perfect case in point. Msg #10108 Dated 2:46:17 07-27-91 9902 <--> 10133 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: EGADS! You forget to put in the -s- and in the appropriate places. Plants Rights Activist ?? Msg #10109 Dated 2:49:29 07-27-91 10089 <--> 10110 From: T A WATERS To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The funny thing is, it isn't all that difficult to find effects no one else is doing. With all the books and magazines, there is so much material -- all it requires is a fair amount of research and a bit of thought. I have to say though, that I have heard from more than one magician "...but I can't visualize it from reading it in a book. I have to see it performed..." Part of this may be the different ways people process information, but I think a lot of it is that magicians just skim over effects to learn the gimmick, and do not read carefully at all. Your point about effects expressing personality is quite important -- selection of the specific effects is just as important as the way those effects are then performed. If all the performers do the same act, it sort of means they all have the same personality (or may as well), and since they are interchangeable, the buyer can simply purchase the cheapest one. Msg #10110 Dated 2:55:12 07-27-91 10107 <--> 10126 From: T A WATERS To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Magic competitions ARE like sporting events -- which is why I am completely opposed to them. Msg #10112 Dated 6:08:39 07-27-91 10105 <--> 10132 From: MAX MAVEN To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Go back to my original comment: radicalism is threatening to the magicalumpen; cloning and repetition are not. Msg #10113 Dated 6:09:34 07-27-91 10106 <--> 10861 From: MAX MAVEN To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: BOOK MAIL One never knows what will be on the shelves, but I usually find a few titles worth purchasing. Msg #10116 Dated 9:21:34 07-27-91 10061 <--> 10117 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION That's a heck of a lot of bullets! Make a good doorstop? Pie weights? Msg #10117 Dated 9:24:30 07-27-91 10064 <--> 10142 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I know what you mean about the real world changing you. I also started out as a musician. Spent 10 years singing and playing clubs around Boston & upstate NY, writing jingles for local businesses. Graduated from Berklee School of Music in Boston in 1980 and came out to LA to seek fame and fortune as the next generations Barbra Streisand or scoring for films. Then I met the music business and got into catering. Anyway, you're right, magicians are a pretty terrific group. Hope I get to meet you one of these days. Msg #10118 Dated 9:36:58 07-27-91 10049 <--> 10119 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LINKING PINS Seems like that is THE BOOK of the month around here. Is it readily available now, or only in certain places (guess I'll give Hollywood Magic a call - one more paycheck bites the dust!) Msg #10119 Dated 9:38:41 07-27-91 10088 <--> 10120 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: LINKING PINS Well thanks for the tip! Han Van Senus is a name I'm not familiar with YET, but I'll do some research. Looking forward to seeing you on the 11th. Msg #10120 Dated 9:41:54 07-27-91 10059 <--> 10123 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LINKING PINS Where is Jeff Busby? Msg #10121 Dated 9:54:32 07-27-91 10071 <--> 10152 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Yogano has two new Pierced PROPS. The one advertised is a broom. The new new one is a Rifle. The routine they did was great. Three or four guys entered a scene (wherehouse) and moved some whiskey crates around, stacking them. One new principle they were showing turned out to be previously invented by Ali Bongo (who was one of the judges -- they said they never saw his version -- I believe them) which was a levitation type gaff that enabled a small guy to pick up a box that contained a hidden person in it. IE: the weight of box was taken up by the gaff!!! Anyway there was a RAID and one guy was KOd and put on a rifle (made no sense realistic-wise but looked good in magic act) and the rifle was on a flat stand on the floor... INCREDIBLY SMALL STUFF. The Pireced effect was done with the guy laying out horizontally on the rifle. All the works, etc are IN THE RIFLE. And it looked very real. Just on the floor was a Pallete (like forklift use) and was real in size, color, etc. A great item. (I would have given it a prize, but for some reason Yogano SR. does not seem to be liked by the European judges? Msg #10122 Dated 9:54:52 07-27-91 10072 <--> 10125 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS I shud be in and around most of Sunday/Monday and rest of week. Will try to get over during one day to see Tommy Wonder, and maybe bring him by here to see all the crap! Msg #10123 Dated 9:54:58 07-27-91 10074 <--> 10140 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LINKING PINS Slydini move is just a FEINT... LIKE THE FALSE CUT I SHOWED YOU... that is a good follow up after you hve dumped the gaffed pin. A GREAT, GREAT, GREAT gag is to do the thing with the pin on the handkerchief -- where you slide the pin from one corner to the other, while the owner of the hank is holding it by two top corners. Only you RRRRRIIIIIPPPPPP the Hkf. Say, Ooops, let me try it again, rotate hkf 1/4 turn, rip it again, and again... Last untorn section, you do it. Smile, say, AT LAST.... I WAS AFRAID IT WOULD DO THIS AGIAN... AND YOU MOVE IT REVERSE DIRECTION RIPPING IT AGAIN. You need to pick the victim carefully here! Ken Brooke showed me this and played right is a killer entertainment-wise!!!! Worth gold. Msg #10124 Dated 9:55:13 07-27-91 10086 <--> 10128 From: PETE BIRO To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Well get to work!!!! We want to see your Wonders! Msg #10125 Dated 9:55:18 07-27-91 10087 <--> 10144 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Make life easy. Go back and read the Bobo book with the Conrad Haden Version. It doesn't matter what the coins are... the effect is a Killer.... It is just the Chinese variant gives you coins that look "MORE" DIFFERENT than one another! The original used 1: U.S. HALF DOLLAR, 2: ENGLISH PENNY, 3: MEXICAN CENTAVO (that is slightly smaller than the other two coins so it will fit inside the shell -- and it shows a Centavo one side and the half dollar on the other). The handling, routine and final clean up of Haden's cannot be improved. I first saw HIM do it and had no idea how it was done. It is a top 10 in the world with coins. Msg #10126 Dated 9:55:30 07-27-91 10090 <--> 10127 From: PETE BIRO To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT At the FISM, Daryl entered "Invention" -- one item was a card that penetrated a plastic bag. In a meeting later one of the Prominent European judges wanted to know what the GIMMICK was that enabled the card to penetrate the plastic. . I told him there was no gimmick, it was merely a variation of the Erdnase Card Thru Handkerchief, using the Erdnase Bottom Palm. The judge said, "But I did not see him palm a card!!!" To which I said, HE IS GOOD... YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE HIM PALM THE CARD BUT HE DID!!!!! Msg #10127 Dated 9:55:44 07-27-91 10091 <--> 10134 From: PETE BIRO To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT ARRANGEMENT AND PERSONALITY -- TO ME ARE 90-PERCENT OF MAGIC PERFORMANCE! Call you early in week to get together. Have had a house guest here from L.A. all this week and weekend. CIAO Msg #10128 Dated 9:55:51 07-27-91 10095 <--> 10156 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER ME TOO. WE ALL, DAY BY DAY, GET OLDER AND LOSE BRAIN ELLS. BUT what I want to know, is, who picks them up? Msg #10130 Dated 9:56:00 07-27-91 10098 <--> 10143 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTESTS You have hit on one of the problemos... the Judges are often, more often than not, grabbed at the last minute. It is too bad that they cannot be almost like regulars, or at least culled from the spreadsheet of the member list of those coming to the convention by a small committee of 2 or 3 to get a rounded and knowledgable batch. For close up, I would look at the registration list and grab some of the professional and known good close up workers. They know the current stuff and also know who steals, etc. Will see if I can implement this thinking for Salt Lake city. Msg #10131 Dated 9:56:13 07-27-91 10103 <--> 10159 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES I have just hit E on IMP! And all it does is move to the next message. Is I doing sumpin wrong? Do I have an obsolete version? What did I have for breakfast today? Msg #10132 Dated 9:56:19 07-27-91 10105 <--> 10145 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Let me guess. The clones were mediocre at best and McBride was fantastic, but probably OVER THE HEADS of the jury and was not awarded nuttin! I have seen that happen with others ... Msg #10133 Dated 9:56:25 07-27-91 10108 <--> 10185 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: EGADS! Plants have a right to die too. Msg #10134 Dated 9:56:30 07-27-91 10109 <--> 10135 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I know when I see an act that resembles a dealer demonstration that the performer has given little or no thought to what is happening. Someone I am currently helping wants to come up with really new material. I said to "dream of an act, visually think about things with no regard to method... day dream... take notes... write a plot -- forget methods... when you have some wonderful premises, then go to a Steinmeyer, Reynolds, Gaughan... let them figure out how to make 'em work. see other do. Then scratch them off the list of things to study and learn. Msg #10135 Dated 9:56:43 07-27-91 10110 <--> 10136 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT My feelings is that there are those that want to be in competitions for various reasons (some of which are just to be seen, as they don't have the track record to be booked) and if there are, then I would like to see the format and way of judging and the format of the competitions the best that they can be. I really enjoyed being a member of the FISM jury, and the main gain --if I can be heard-- will be to improve the way FISM contests are run. For example. The entry form puts down a list of categories for you to be in. Manipulation, General Magic, etc. Many acts were in the wrong category. Many did NO MANIP's yet entered Manip. I, and Ali Bongo, both feel there should be NO CATEGORY, the Judges decide. Of course you need competant judges. I could go on. (I only will add one thing) At FISM there were NO preliminaries... 146 acts. Maybe 1/3 were DREADFUL and wasted EVERYBODY'S time. 1/3 were OK, and the other third very good -- with a few GREAT ONES. To qualify, one must have the signature of the President of your local club. Who the hell at FISM knows 1: who is the pres, for ex ample of a Ring ind Demoines Iowa? 2: who anywhere knows if the guy that signed it was really the guy (or gal, sorry) or just the entrants uncle? Or a pal.... arghhh. I don't know how to beat that one and think it is not valid... I would suggest (I have suggested) videos to be screened. Not perfect either, but BETTER! ENUF! Msg #10136 Dated 10:00:09 07-27-91 10109 <--> 10139 From: WAYNE POWERS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The problem is that once one finds effects that no one else is performing, works them out, rehearses and begins performing them; some less imaginative and less diligent magician sees the performance and says to himself, "Hey, that's great! I think I'LL add that to MY show!" Back to square one...suddenly many are performing what no one was performing. It happens all the time. 'W. Msg #10139 Dated 10:24:42 07-27-91 10085 <--> 10141 From: TABBY CRABB To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Tommy, Thanks for the offer. If you will trust me, send them to: tabman Post Box 590 Charlotte Hall, MD 20622 USA include an invoice for them and I'll zip you some cash or a check as you prefer. A signature would be appreciated as these are for my personal use and enjoyment. Thanx.... Msg #10140 Dated 10:24:52 07-27-91 10088 <--> 10154 From: TABBY CRABB To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: LINKING PINS Do you know off hand what issues of Apocalypse the work of Han van Senus appeared? I too am interested in the pins. Msg #10141 Dated 10:24:57 07-27-91 10091 <--> 10146 From: TABBY CRABB To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Comparable also to the cutting and polishing of fine gems. The raw materials are the same. The beauty is brought out not only through the skill of the gemsman, but through the art of imagination and visualizing the potential beauty in the rough stone. Msg #10143 Dated 10:25:10 07-27-91 10098 <--> 10351 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTESTS In defense of the judging staff, there were some who had been doing it for some time and possess knowledge of the craft. I realize that the judging is tough. Last year I was an area judge for the Marlboro Music Awards. There were several pros on line, but in each location the locals outnumbered us. Acts which we (pros) felt that were winners were usually outvoted by the local judges, instead favoring hometowners who had no chance of winning the Nat'l contest. However, one act I felt was a winner didn't place so I signed him and now he he in Music City making some waves. Such is life. PS. The pro judges were paid. Msg #10144 Dated 10:25:21 07-27-91 10104 <--> 10153 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS They don't seem to Jerry, but I think I know where some are. I'll check for you and let you know. Msg #10145 Dated 10:25:27 07-27-91 10105 <--> 10213 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Jeff McBride is an original edition. Msg #10146 Dated 10:25:31 07-27-91 10107 <--> 10147 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Reading in Houdini's Conjurer's Monthly last night (actually early this am) he was commenting on those copying the cups and balls routines of others and bemoaning the fact that there is so much copying. This was 1907. Msg #10147 Dated 10:25:37 07-27-91 10109 <--> 10148 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Perhaps is better to work through the moves of a routine in print and to work out your own routine and presentation. maybe those who can't visualize are products of the tv generation. Msg #10148 Dated 10:25:42 07-27-91 10110 <--> 10157 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I suggest using a starting gun to begin the contests. The judges whould wear red and black checkered suits and the MC should carry a whistle. Msg #10149 Dated 11:01:25 07-27-91 10116 <--> 10150 From: TABBY CRABB To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Actually the 13 cases of ammo in the front hall is just the tip of the iceberg. Therre is another 40 - 50 cases stored in a vault in the old coal bin which is accessable only through a hidden door in th shop. My wife is an Olympic Shooter and it is mostly Ely Target ammo. Msg #10150 Dated 11:01:33 07-27-91 10117 <--> 10166 From: TABBY CRABB To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I have a few good friends in the music industry, but these are guys that started with me and guys I'm doing business with today. Some of them went on the achieve fame and fortune and others like Lobo who was my producer at one time got so jaded he dropped out and lives (with his millions, wife, kids, dogs, birds, etc) in a converted one room shcool house in the mountains of North Carolina. Msg #10152 Dated 11:01:47 07-27-91 10121 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ENTERTAINMENT NEEDED Politics has no place in the judging arena. Here is one area where magic contests CANNOT be compared to athletic events. While the polit of amateur sports IS massive, in the end the contestant with the highest scores wins. There is no juggling of facts. I wish I had seen the Yogano illusions in person. I know Joe Steven's is carrying the Improved Pierced. Maybe he'll get a video out with the stuff on it so those interested can view the illusion as it is seen performed. Msg #10153 Dated 11:01:57 07-27-91 10122 <--> 10221 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS Yes, it would be a shame to have Mr. Wonder(ful) close by and not bring him up to the Creek. Msg #10154 Dated 11:02:02 07-27-91 10123 <--> 10155 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LINKING PINS Hopefully is ain't grandma's heirloom hanky. Msg #10155 Dated 11:02:06 07-27-91 10123 <--> 10169 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LINKING PINS PS. That false cut you gave me is a killer. It even fools me when I do it. I think I'll get Bone Pony in a pokker game, only I'd have to loan em the money to play. Msg #10156 Dated 11:02:11 07-27-91 10124 <--> 10158 From: TABBY CRABB To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Yes, a real book would be a great addition to the lit. Msg #10157 Dated 11:02:15 07-27-91 10126 <--> 10160 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Daryl demonstrated the card through plastic bag to me a few months ago. He used a "brown 'n" baking bag. It looked great. He's a fine demonstrator. Msg #10158 Dated 11:02:21 07-27-91 10128 <--> 10175 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER They are usually swept under a rug. Msg #10159 Dated 11:02:25 07-27-91 10131 <--> 10179 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES Maybe you should download the current RDMAGIC.ZIP. I did and it has the "E" implemented. It only takes about 4.5 minits to bring down and having the "E" is worth it. Msg #10160 Dated 11:02:31 07-27-91 10134 <--> 10161 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Lance Burton has some good things to say re: invention in the article by Amy Stevens in Steven's current catalog. Msg #10161 Dated 11:02:36 07-27-91 10135 <--> 10162 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Perhaps FISM prelims could be held in cities around the world having a recognized panel judging each?? Msg #10162 Dated 11:02:41 07-27-91 10136 <--> 10163 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT That's why some of the more original and creative magishes do not wish to perform for other magishes. Msg #10163 Dated 11:20:22 07-27-91 10135 <--> 10164 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT If the act just wants to be seen, then call it a showcase -- there's no need to turn it into a competition. Msg #10164 Dated 11:21:48 07-27-91 10136 <--> 10165 From: T A WATERS To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Well -- you can (a) suggest alternate effects to them -- (b) appeal to their sense of ethics -- or (c) threaten them with serious bodily harm. Msg #10165 Dated 11:23:33 07-27-91 10147 <--> 10171 From: T A WATERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Also, of course, because they are products of the TV generation -- they probably CAN'T read... Msg #10166 Dated 11:25:33 07-27-91 10149 <--> 10167 From: T A WATERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Whew! For a moment I thought she was a magic critic. Msg #10167 Dated 12:42:41 07-27-91 10150 <--> 10168 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I'd of never thought of it if you hadn't mentioned it, but once you did, it made perfect sense - you and Lobo. That man was responsible for Anita and I bein' able to face all the changes we went thru in the 50's/70's - we LIVED Me and You and a Dog Named Boo. Got "Introducing Lobo" in my hands right now. What an album! There isn't anything on it that isn't incredible. You still in touch? He doin' OK? Msg #10168 Dated 12:50:16 07-27-91 10166 <--> 10191 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION T A - You did it again! I'm going to have to install a seat belt on my chair. Msg #10169 Dated 12:51:32 07-27-91 10118 <--> 10176 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: LINKING PINS You can get it from BURT CARPENTER, right here on MAGIC! Personally, I think there have been several truly great magic books this season. Lifesavers is one of them. So is The Magic of Michael Ammar. Msg #10171 Dated 13:06:30 07-27-91 10161 <--> 10172 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT That is a GREAT idea, Tabman. Done properly, it could get some magic juices goin' - inspire additional magi and get the local lay-persons involved as well. Wonder how to get this idea to FISM, or did we just do that? Another thought - get a corporate sponsor to start the ball rolling - how about Nabisco? Msg #10172 Dated 13:09:03 07-27-91 10163 <--> 10173 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT On the other hand, there is no reason not to have competitions. They are routine in many other art forms and those who wish to participate do so, those who don't, don't. Msg #10173 Dated 13:10:27 07-27-91 10165 <--> 10174 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT A good argument in favor of magic videos? Msg #10174 Dated 13:14:22 07-27-91 10171 <--> 10177 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Have you not heard the nasty words aimed at Nabisco, 'cause they is owned by a tobacco co? Arrghhh... no actually the League of Magic Conventions (a group we need to start) would oversee it! Har. Msg #10175 Dated 13:11:30 07-27-91 10128 <--> 10216 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER In the case of brain cells, they are generally absorbed by your system. In the case of your external body parts, it is generally whoever sweeps your floors. The dust in your bedroom contains a high percentage of shed body parts - the old children's fable about "dust thou art to dust returneth" meaning that someone is coming or going under the bed is essentially correct. A percentage of the other component of household dust, particularly closer to the front doors and windows, is cosmic - small bits of meteorites from the cosmos. Dust is a sublime substance, part human, part cosmic. Msg #10176 Dated 13:15:44 07-27-91 10120 <--> 10178 From: PETE BIRO To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: LINKING PINS Jeff is a magic dealer. You can leave a message here online to him. He deals in exclusive material and books. Has really great stuff! Msg #10177 Dated 13:15:49 07-27-91 10136 <--> 10180 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Call Tabman and have him send you some ammo! Msg #10178 Dated 13:15:53 07-27-91 10154 <--> 10190 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LINKING PINS No... although I did destroy a collectible one of Martha Stevens! Msg #10179 Dated 13:15:56 07-27-91 10159 <--> 10184 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES OH, I din know there was a version mit the E feech! Will do tonite, gotta hit the hiway (make a few kills) and visit me muddah! Msg #10180 Dated 13:16:02 07-27-91 10160 <--> 10181 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Just got the cats ass a log... will read tonite...tanks... Msg #10181 Dated 13:16:05 07-27-91 10161 <--> 10182 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Actually, the local clubs, o Regional/National conventions should do this. The Japanese are planning to cut it to the 40 best for the stage competitions via video, but I hear the old line FISMITES plan to vote it down... The Japanese organizers want to cut it to the top 40 AND PAY THEIR TRAVEL ETC. TO JAPAN!!!! I am starting to practice... No not really, as I have been asked to be one of the advisors and assist in putting on the NEXT FISM.... Msg #10182 Dated 13:16:14 07-27-91 10163 <--> 10189 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT GOOD IDEA T A, and Joe Stevens does that with his Early Close Up Jam Sessions... those present line up and do a bit of whatever with a five minute limit... that way you only sit thru five minutes of bad at a time (when it is bad)... Would be a good premise for the IBM for some kind of stage showcase... will think it and run by the other powers that be... Msg #10183 Dated 13:17:37 07-27-91 10099 <--> 10220 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: RESPONSES I was dressed casually for the party - green pants and shirt and the green earings. Didn't win any prizes. Msg #10184 Dated 13:19:36 07-27-91 10102 <--> 10198 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES The best method I have found so far for creating a private response to a public message requires a bit of manual manipulation. You enter the message as a Reply or Append and save it. As soon as you save it, the system will respond with the message number of your new message. You can then READ it, using that message number (there are a variety of ways to do this - you can type the new message number on the very next menu line if you are doing a R;*). At the end of reading it, the message submenu appears. One of the choices is EDIT. If you select edit, you will be allowed to edit the header, and one of the allowed changes is from public to private. Msg #10185 Dated 13:26:26 07-27-91 10108 <--> 10223 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: EGADS! No , the Plants Rights Activism is an -s-. Again, I'm not sure it is an appropriate topic for MAGIC!, but basically my view is that there is a body of research that shows that plants feel pain, etc., although in ways that are not directly comparable to that of animals. Nevertheless, just because they can't scream when being killed doesn't mean that we should ignore their rights as life forms. The deliberate killing of life, at the cellular level, is the same whether it is a plant or an animal. Thus I view those who eschew the killing of animals but who will cheerfully sit down and eat lettuce as either misinformed or hypocritical. Msg #10189 Dated 13:41:23 07-27-91 10174 <--> 10193 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT There have been a couple of nasty words aimed at Nabisco. One because of their connection to the tobacco industry; one because of RJR's previous use of magic exposures in ads many years ago; and some others. Personally, I think that the "tobacco industry connection" bit was one of the stupidist, shallowist things printed. I'm glad the publication printed the letter, if only because it showed how rediculous some folks can be. As you have surmised, for all of those reasons, I deliberately selected Nabisco as a suggestion. Msg #10190 Dated 13:46:44 07-27-91 10176 <--> 10197 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: LINKING PINS Jeff prefers that business messages to his company not be directed to him on-line on MAGIC! He views his time here as part of his personal interest in magic and doesn't want to have to face commercial requests. He can be reached at Jeff Busby Magic Inc., 10329 MacArthur Blvd., Suites 5 & 6, Oakland, California 94605. Phone for California and foreign is 1-415-562-6340, outside Ca., but inside the U.S. it is 800-445-0918. His fax is 415-530-3822, telex 6503112317 MCIUW, and his MCI mailcode is 311-2317. Msg #10191 Dated 14:01:58 07-27-91 10167 <--> 10192 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Got a letter about a month ago from Lobo, Suzie, et al from their new digs in NC. I owe em a letter. When he first did Me, You, etc he was a hippie livin in Fla. Said record was a huge smash and he cudn't afford a radio so didn't really know. One Sunday he went to store and spent his last five bux on beer and chips. Monday in his mailbox was a check for 136 grand. 1st royalty check. They've never stopped. Day I got letter went to hdwr store for screws and heard a tune by him on MUZAK. Does that make you feel old or what. I was on his record label early on and he published some of my stuff. I learned mucho from Kent (real name). He still tours orient each year where he still sells lotz of records. Boo was a black Lab. He's a good guy as is his fambly. Msg #10192 Dated 14:02:09 07-27-91 10168 <--> 10205 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION T A cracks me up too. I never know what to say after he drops a bomb. Msg #10193 Dated 14:02:12 07-27-91 10171 <--> 10194 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Sorry, I have other plans for Nabisco. Msg #10194 Dated 14:02:16 07-27-91 10172 <--> 10195 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT In many fields, "artist" contests are a method used to line the coffers of the sponsoring organization through entry fees. I've thought of sponsoring just another songwriting contest, but just don't have the stomach for that kind of thing anymore. The winners do get some recognition but don't know of any contest big winners that really got anything out of them outside a few bucks. Now, there are winners in magic competitions that do get bennies and work, but you just can't compare the field of magic to anything else. Msg #10195 Dated 14:02:24 07-27-91 10173 <--> 10196 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT And copy cat magicians. Msg #10196 Dated 14:02:28 07-27-91 10174 <--> 10199 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT That explains the nasty cough I've picked up from munching Oreos. Msg #10197 Dated 14:02:31 07-27-91 10178 <--> 10218 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LINKING PINS Huh? Msg #10198 Dated 14:02:35 07-27-91 10179 <--> 10651 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD RESPONSES I'd get you to call my seester sometime (she lives up there near yo mom ) but she's insane. Actually she's a psychologist which is same thing. Msg #10199 Dated 14:02:40 07-27-91 10180 <--> 10200 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Good story. Msg #10200 Dated 14:02:43 07-27-91 10181 <--> 10201 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Now they're getting on the right track. Maybe a world festival of magic every four years with hundreds of acts working a dozen stages around the world. Strictly for show and not for dough. Have jugglers, clowns, acrobats, magicians, fire eaters, etc. Msg #10201 Dated 14:42:08 07-27-91 10162 <--> 10202 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT That's why I told Jim, Vic & Shag that they were walking into the lion's den by doing all their latest "A" material at Abbott's. 'W. Msg #10202 Dated 14:43:45 07-27-91 10164 <--> 10203 From: WAYNE POWERS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I'd go right to "C" and save time & energy. 'W. Msg #10203 Dated 14:44:59 07-27-91 10174 <--> 10204 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Pete...don't start with the beansprout and tofu attitude of villifying the tobacco industry. This country was a tobacco colony and was founded on tobacco. George Washington was a tobacco exporter. Without tobacco, there wouldn't BE any U.S.A.!!! 'Wayne. Msg #10204 Dated 14:48:19 07-27-91 10177 <--> 10206 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I make my own, thanks. 'W. Msg #10205 Dated 14:48:14 07-27-91 10191 <--> 10208 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION His music was an inspiration to us. We still play it and enjoy it. Lots of memories tied up in his work. When you write to him, please do let him know that he's still got fans. Msg #10206 Dated 14:50:19 07-27-91 10193 <--> 10207 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT They're a big outfit - could support lots of stuff. Msg #10207 Dated 14:51:11 07-27-91 10194 <--> 10209 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I was refering to the many legitimate artists contests - many of those in architecture, for example. Yeah, there are rip offs too. But the point is that there is competition in all of human endeavor, art included. Msg #10208 Dated 14:52:15 07-27-91 10166 <--> 10224 From: WAYNE POWERS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION If only she were a CRITIC critic!!! 'W. Msg #10209 Dated 14:52:55 07-27-91 10200 <--> 10210 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Really a great idea beginning to form here. Msg #10210 Dated 14:53:34 07-27-91 10203 <--> 10211 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Egads! No more tricks with one dollar bills! Msg #10211 Dated 14:55:35 07-27-91 10210 <--> 10217 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I knew a gambler from St. Louis who was called "One Dollar Bill." He'd make buck bets that any sane person would swear he couldn't win and he'd One-Dollar you to death!!! Never saw him lose a buck. 'W. Msg #10212 Dated 15:11:52 07-27-91 9859 <--> 10214 From: RANDY LUND To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER I was down to Abbotts today and while they know they are coming that trio Wayne spoke of are not on the show...at least not as of 10:30 this morning. Flyers about magic will be distributed in the regristration packets for Abbotts attendees. I got the flyers there in time. Msg #10213 Dated 15:14:48 07-27-91 9881 <--> 10231 From: RANDY LUND To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL I quite agree. What I would like to do here on magic is loght a fire of radical/revolutionary magical thought and maybe come up with something new. Msg #10214 Dated 15:17:50 07-27-91 9913 <--> 10229 From: RANDY LUND To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER As I said in an earlier message I was down to Abbotts this morning and the dealer list is going to be limited this year. The Elementary school where they have had their dealer rooms in the past is closed for renovation this summer so all events will be at the high school. This is going to limit space and put a strain on the air conditioning (pray for cool weather). At any rate am really looking forward to it. Msg #10216 Dated 15:33:57 07-27-91 10086 <--> 10219 From: STAN LAKE To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Sounds good- I'll take a copy as soon as they're available. Msg #10217 Dated 16:06:43 07-27-91 10203 <--> 10222 From: STAN LAKE To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT If that's the way it was I'm glad this country wasn't founded on the Poppy plant or Cocoa leaves. Without tobacco more of my friends and relatives would be alive today. Without tobacco we would have a healthier nation. I'll pass on the tofu and beansprouts though. Msg #10218 Dated 16:21:24 07-27-91 10176 <--> 10225 From: EVAN KATZ To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: LINKING PINS Although once when I left Jeff a message asking about when a book that he distributed in the U.S. would be available, he promptly informed me that he did not wish to discuss business on the board. Which is his right, though when the topic was the bootlegging of a videotape he published, his attitude instantly changed. Busby is very good for unusual items -- things you won't find anywhere else -- he carries the Tabmn table, for instance. There are other, more efficient ways to purchase more common books and effects, as I have found that the delivery time from Busby magic is... shall we say not consistent. It is well worth being on their mailing list, and he is, to his credit, very honest in his descriptions of items and books -- you won't find the truth stretched and bent, as you will other places... He also has a definite taste, and will not offer just old anything for sale. After doing business with him for a while, you'll detect that taste, and decide if it matches up with yours... Msg #10219 Dated 16:27:12 07-27-91 10175 <--> 10305 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Recently read that household dust is 75% dead human skin. When I figure out a way to connect this fact to Magic, I will let you know. Msg #10220 Dated 16:28:45 07-27-91 10183 <--> 10243 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: RESPONSES I think you would look smashing in earings. Msg #10221 Dated 16:31:04 07-27-91 10125 <--> 10864 From: EVAN KATZ To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS I am going to save my money and purchase a pegged version just so I can see what I cannot see. Am in the process of going through CSB routines, and had forgot to look in Bobo! Was looking at Dingles, and also at John Bannon's, published in his recent lecture notes, which incorporates a few smooth moves (not original to him) that help. Msg #10222 Dated 16:33:25 07-27-91 10107 <--> 10226 From: EVAN KATZ To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT But magic is not a sport, it's an art, which is why the competitive notion doesn't quite mesh -- one would never think of giving four painters the same brushes and paints, tell them to paint a bird, then announce which was the best bird, now would we? Yes, having everyone do the Vernon Cups & Balls would definitely tell you something about personality, showmanship, and technique -- for sure. But you would effectively be scratching the more ARTISITC part -- orinailty, inventivenes etc... I think what makes the tead so interesting is thamagic is SO difficult to compare to other performing arts. The more we study it, the more DIFFERENCES we note, not the more similarities... Msg #10225 Dated 16:48:12 07-27-91 10140 <--> 10258 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LINKING PINS T-Man: Check out Dan Garret's routine with the pins -- on his video and in one of his lecture notes/pamphlets. He uses a concept that Van Senus invented, I believe. Excellent routine -- TOTALLY NONGAFFED! Msg #10226 Dated 16:50:21 07-27-91 10146 <--> 10227 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Reading the bible last night, where God told Moses to destroy all the idols of other gods that people were worshipping -- this was more like 5000 years ago! Or was it Moses -- my Sunday school stuff is a little rusty. Msg #10228 Dated 17:08:06 07-27-91 10217 <--> 10230 From: WAYNE POWERS To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Without cars, many more of my friends and relatives would be alive today. Without cars, we'd be a healthier nation. How about sugar? Chocolate? Red meat? Pish posh!!! 'W. Msg #10229 Dated 17:12:05 07-27-91 10212 <--> 10238 From: WAYNE POWERS To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Correction: Jim, Vic & Shag WILL be performing at Abbott's this year. Their manager is Dave Madden. He is the emcee of the big show. Check with Dave or check local publicity if there is any doubt. Abbott's is not famous for their scheduling organization. 'W. Msg #10230 Dated 18:08:41 07-27-91 10189 <--> 10232 From: MAX MAVEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Given my own fondness for nicotine, I also found the anti-Nabisco letter to be rather foolish. However, it's curious to me that no one seems to be taking Nabisco to task for this Oreo magic promotion for other reasons. Are you aware that the set-up is that the magicians perform in supermarkets, with a person wearing a giant cookie costume standing with them? Moreover, the pay is lousy, and the person in the cookie costume is paid the same as the magician. Given that, I find it truly strange that the IBM and SAM gave such enthusiastic endorsement to this. Msg #10231 Dated 18:11:24 07-27-91 10132 <--> 10239 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL You lost the context, Pete -- the situation in which McBride was passed over was not a contest (Jeff doesn't enter contests) -- it was the Academy of Magical Arts awards, voted upon by the members of the Magic Castle. Msg #10232 Dated 18:19:30 07-27-91 10201 <--> 10234 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I'm afraid that's the way it it. The A Team guys don't rip stuff. It' s the B team and below that the A Team has to worry about. Msg #10233 Dated 18:19:35 07-27-91 10205 <--> 10236 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION There's a new "Best Of" out on Curb Records. Msg #10234 Dated 18:19:38 07-27-91 10206 <--> 10235 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You and I both know there's no such thing as a bottomless well. Msg #10235 Dated 18:19:42 07-27-91 10207 <--> 10237 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You're right. I guess I've wittnessed so many cons and ripoffs that I've become somewhat jaded. Msg #10236 Dated 18:19:46 07-27-91 10208 <--> 10242 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION "If you were to open the door, I should be very angry." Msg #10237 Dated 18:19:49 07-27-91 10211 <--> 10240 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Have yu read _The Unsinkable Titanic Thompson_? Msg #10238 Dated 18:19:53 07-27-91 10212 <--> 10301 From: TABBY CRABB To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER You must live pretty close to Colon, Randy, to drop by. Have a good time and let us know how it goes. Msg #10239 Dated 18:35:18 07-27-91 10231 <--> 10250 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Thanks for clarifying, Max. The one trouble I have with IMP is that I often don't know the beginning part of the thread. Yep, I agree, Jeff has been overlooked. Hopefully he's making enuf dinero that he could care less! Msg #10240 Dated 18:36:24 07-27-91 10234 <--> 10241 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The three holes on your golf course are bottomless aren't they? Msg #10241 Dated 18:36:49 07-27-91 10237 <--> 10244 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Great book. I like all his cons... especially killing the rat! Msg #10242 Dated 18:37:11 07-27-91 10233 <--> 10257 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Curb. Now there is a killer con (I have friends he nailed). Msg #10243 Dated 18:38:06 07-27-91 10183 <--> 10306 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: RESPONSES Were the Earing "green" when they started, or had they ripened? Msg #10244 Dated 18:38:10 07-27-91 10189 <--> 10245 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I have nuttin against the National Biscuit Co., or Winston, or Marlboro... they spend JILLIONS of Skins supporting auto racing, which makes jobs (me money, etc.) and if any dodo's want to suck smoke into their systems it is their decision and their problemo! Msg #10245 Dated 18:38:17 07-27-91 10196 <--> 10246 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You are supposed to chew Oreos and swallow milk after. Not smoke 'em or inhale the white part. Tsk. Msg #10246 Dated 18:38:23 07-27-91 10200 <--> 10247 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT It already exists. It's called Ring meetings. Or for the pros, Comedy Clubs. Har... Msg #10247 Dated 18:38:28 07-27-91 10201 <--> 10248 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I have a couple of scouts there, but I don't trust them. Will be flying to Colon to check them out. Msg #10248 Dated 18:38:33 07-27-91 10203 <--> 10249 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Whoa... I didn't villify nobody. See recent message. I only said, someone else said sumpin' nasty about the National Biscuit Co's., owners.... arghh... foo Msg #10249 Dated 18:38:39 07-27-91 10210 <--> 10251 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Ban thumb tips. Or like zombie, when you see one in use (that means the mojo operator has flashed) members of MAGIC! are hereby author- ized to grab 'em off the thumbs and step on them. Make sure the thumb has been extracted. eyes with a thumb tip I will scream and smash! you and not bother with mechanical aids!!!! Arrrggghhhh. Msg #10250 Dated 18:38:48 07-27-91 10213 <--> 10260 From: PETE BIRO To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Don't get fancy, just come up with something NEW. Lets see who is the first ??? OK ??? Prize will be substantial. (Pride in knowing you are thinking). Msg #10251 Dated 18:38:54 07-27-91 10222 <--> 10252 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You seem to have missed my point. The Vernon Cups and Balls (and other mandatory stuff) is only part of the test. Then the free form portion follows. There one can be as artistic or mundane as one wishes. . Sure you can hand out paint and brushes and see who paints the best bird -- TO YOUR TASTE. . Great early art contest joke... oh, boy how can I make it short? Well, all the major countries, England, Spain, France, Italy, etc. were invited to compete to select the World's Greatest Artist. They all worked a year. Came to the Judging place (for story lets say Rome) and Caesar was the final judge... Each painting was on a wall withing an octagonal building (8 pix) and each was covered with a red velevet drape, with gold drawstring. AS Caesar went from one to the other all seemed pretty good, but not killers. My pal, by chance, was positioned to be the last one (a plan we worked out months in advance) -- So finally the big man comes to the last painting. He reaches for the Gold Drawstring.... and WHA... ER... MY GOD, IT IS THE WINNER... IT WASN'T A DRAWSTRING AT ALL, NOR A DRAPE, BUT MY MAN HAD PAINTED THE DRAPE AND DRAWSTRING ON THE WALL. . WOWOWOWOWOWOW..... Msg #10252 Dated 18:39:20 07-27-91 10226 <--> 10253 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT It was MOE, at the recent three stooges convention. Msg #10253 Dated 18:39:24 07-27-91 10228 <--> 10254 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Living can lead to death! Msg #10254 Dated 18:39:29 07-27-91 10230 <--> 10255 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Max, only one or two people at the IBM/SAM gave the OK, no one I know of heard of it 'til it was a done deal. . Realize, both are amateur organizations, with amateur magicians at the helm. Not that they aren't nice folks, etc., they just are not looking at any of this from the working pro angle. . I would guess that most involved were thrilled to make a few bucks. Like I say, the highest paid employee at the Magic Castle is the guy that parks your car! . Which reminds me, what ever happened to Berri Lee? Msg #10255 Dated 18:40:44 07-27-91 10217 <--> 10256 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Well, what I want to know is what does tobacco have to do with magic? Oh wait, I get it. The Oreo Magicians are somehow being linked to cigs. That's it. Did you know that in Colonial America, law required each farmer to grow a patch of HEMP? Thomas Jefferson discovered that if he made tea from the leaves and stems it somehow mellowed him out and he invented all sorts of stuff. He drank a cup most everyday while home at Montecello. Maybe I'll try that. BTW, don't wear a t-shirt sporting a hemp leaf when i Louisiana. It'll cost you big! Msg #10256 Dated 18:40:53 07-27-91 10222 <--> 10259 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I think that I prefer the original use of illusion which was keeping the natives in line through fear of retribution. It's only become a performing art over the pst few hundred years after the natives somehow figured out that there was a little man behind the screen pulling wires. Blame it on the _Wizard of Oz_. Msg #10258 Dated 18:41:07 07-27-91 10225 <--> 10353 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: LINKING PINS I'll check out the Garret pin routine. Thanks, Evan. Msg #10259 Dated 18:41:11 07-27-91 10230 <--> 10261 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Sounds like the job to have is being the giant cookie. Msg #10260 Dated 18:41:14 07-27-91 10231 <--> 10282 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Maybe he reminds em too much of our shamanistic past. Msg #10261 Dated 18:53:53 07-27-91 10240 <--> 10262 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Actually the holes are built on the mirror glass principle. I hide a ball in the hole, so when I'm playing for money, my ball is always the first in the hole. Msg #10262 Dated 18:53:58 07-27-91 10241 <--> 10264 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I especially appreciated the tifme he paid the guy to count the watermellons on the watermellon truck and then bet one of his gambling buddies that he could hit the number within five I think. His golf scams and the horse shoe pitching where he would extend the range by a few feet and then play for cash are especially usable. Msg #10263 Dated 18:54:04 07-27-91 10242 <--> 10269 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION The rule of thumb with Curb is 50gs will net you a deal with no guarantees. We had a tune on a curb project two years ago and made more money from the airplay than from the sales which were reported to be minimal. Msg #10264 Dated 18:54:10 07-27-91 10245 <--> 10265 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT It's the milk part that I've been missing. Thanks. Msg #10265 Dated 18:54:14 07-27-91 10251 <--> 10266 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT There's an airbrush artist who lives n the next county who makes big bux painting stuff on old buildings to create the illusion that broken, decayed, missing pieces of architecture are still there. His shadows, shading, etc are awesome. I saw a plane he painted to look l like Pegasus for a mere 85 grand. Msg #10266 Dated 19:40:06 07-27-91 10251 <--> 10267 From: EVAN KATZ To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Cool joke/story... My point, by the by, is that the Vernon Cups and Balls, and any other "competition" would have not much at all to do with each other. As if you held an Olympics where the runners were first awarded medals based on running-time, then on designing a track. Msg #10267 Dated 19:42:11 07-27-91 10255 <--> 10268 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Thomas Jefferson was a great man. Betcha he heard REAL interesting things while listening to Pink Floyd through headphones. Msg #10268 Dated 19:43:21 07-27-91 10256 <--> 10272 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT But the natives are so willing to believe -- look at Uri Geller! Msg #10270 Dated 19:46:05 07-27-91 10263 <--> 10278 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Que es esto -- el "Curb?" Also, tell me more about this fascinating-sounding book -- already forgot the title... I love this stuff... Msg #10272 Dated 20:33:28 07-27-91 10237 <--> 10273 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Nope. Tell me more. 'W. Msg #10273 Dated 20:34:28 07-27-91 10247 <--> 10274 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Great, Pete. Tell Dave Madden I sentcha. Let me know whatcha think! 'W. Msg #10274 Dated 20:35:34 07-27-91 10248 <--> 10275 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Sorry, Pete. I'm a little testy and justifiably quick to villify the Anti-Tobacco Industry. (...and it IS a big INDUSTRY!) 'W. Msg #10275 Dated 20:37:41 07-27-91 10253 <--> 10276 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Yeah, Pete...mebbe we should kill everybody to stop 'em from dyin'! (I wonder if that's ever been tried in court? Heh, heh.) 'W. Msg #10276 Dated 20:39:32 07-27-91 10254 <--> 10277 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT ...Which reminds me... ...whatever happened to my CAR???!!! 'W. Msg #10277 Dated 20:40:34 07-27-91 10255 <--> 10283 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT One would also do well not to wear a Louisiana T-Shirt when on a hemp farm!!! 'W. Msg #10278 Dated 20:44:14 07-27-91 10236 <--> 10279 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Quick...edit your message before Evan sees those damn quotation marks! 'W. Msg #10279 Dated 20:46:11 07-27-91 10263 <--> 10285 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION My first encounter with Mike was when he was producing for Sammy Davis Jr. Russ Regan, (who then was Prez of 20th Century Records), got Mike to stop a recording session so Sammy could include one of my songs! Whatta rush! 'W. Msg #10281 Dated 20:49:53 07-27-91 -> 10366 From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X) Re: TOPIT Michael, during your lecture at the recent S.A.M. convention on the Topit, you recommended a person who was present and who resides in San Diego, as an excellent tailor. I met him after the lecture and obtained his card. Unfortunately, I misplaced it. Would you please be good enough to provide his name and address? Msg #10282 Dated 21:13:34 07-27-91 10239 <--> 10303 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL Jeff McBride continues to do significant gigs, and break new theatrical ground. I would guess that winning the Magic Castle Stage Magician award is not all that high on his list of priorities; he'd have certainly enjoyed getting it, but it is hardly his focus... Msg #10283 Dated 21:54:16 07-27-91 10267 <--> 10284 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Jefferson and Ben Franklin are two of my heros. Benj. Franklin supposedly had a walking cane that had a hidden recepticle in the end that held oil. he would do some mumbo jumbo and wave his cane ala wand over some slightly choppy waters and sling oil on the water and smoothe it out. I guess he was into magic. Msg #10284 Dated 21:54:23 07-27-91 10268 <--> 10286 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT It's true. The mind like space is a future frontier. Msg #10286 Dated 21:54:30 07-27-91 10272 <--> 10287 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The book is the biography of Titanic Thompson. It's available from some magic dealers in hardback at a reasonable cost. I first read of Titanic in one of Vernon's columns in Genii a while back and picked up the book. He was a professional gambler who used an edge whenever he could. He would set up a lot of situations where he would know some impossible outcome. Get the book if you can. If you can't find it, I'll send you my copy on loan so you can read it. It's a lot of fun. There's a little Titanic Thompson in us all. Msg #10287 Dated 21:54:38 07-27-91 10277 <--> 10291 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Unless the farm is in Louisiana. Msg #10288 Dated 21:54:42 07-27-91 10279 <--> 10289 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Now that's cool. Sammy. Msg #10289 Dated 21:55:01 07-27-91 10270 <--> 10309 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Curb is a record label headed by Mike Curb. See message to Wayne re: Titanic Thompson. A fascinating "read." Msg #10291 Dated 22:29:59 07-27-91 10211 <--> 10292 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Hmmmm..... "Bet he smoked" comes to mind. In any event, if Mr. Paul Criteli (whose letter opposing the Nabisco promotion on the grounds that the company was owned by a tabacco company appeared in Inside Magic) and his compatriot, Jack Ricketts, who wrote the other similar letter, are at all serious in their position, they will not only stop eating Nabisco cookies (among other things) but they will never use one dollar bills or quarters in their routines. By the way, as with some other issues, I'm going to ask that this particular situation ONLY be discussed within the confines of magic. EVERYONE: Please do NOT go off into the wild blue yonder of social policy. Msg #10292 Dated 22:32:20 07-27-91 10228 <--> 10293 From: STAN LAKE To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT With cars we pay a price for progress. With tobacco we pay a price for poison. We'll have to admit nothing either of us says will change the others opinions so you may have the last word and we'll let it die. Since we should be keeping the topic to magic how well do those plastic cigarette vanishers work. I have one I've never used as it seems the hot ash would melt it. Are the holes in the bottom there to keep it lit so it may later be reproduced? Msg #10294 Dated 22:41:53 07-27-91 10228 <--> 10295 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Stan (& EVERYONE) As I just suggested in a message to Wayne, these are issues on which we all have strong opinions. And I think it can be productive to discuss them - SOMEPLACE ELSE, unless they related DIRECTLY to magic. Msg #10295 Dated 22:49:11 07-27-91 10230 <--> 10297 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Would we have been better off, however, if Nabisco had elected NOT to even try to hire magicians but instead had chosen to teach a couple of tricks to the guys in the cookie suits? Msg #10297 Dated 22:51:36 07-27-91 10234 <--> 10298 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT OK, They are a pretty large outfit and could probably support both plans, but since you insist, I'll modify my plant to what may be an even more "hot water" one... Since FISM is primarily a European operation, let's get the sponsors from Europe. There is a GIANT food company over there that would NEVER notice the expenditure, no matter how large it might seem to us - Nestle. Msg #10298 Dated 22:53:49 07-27-91 10235 <--> 10299 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I suspect that if magic contests didn't exist, someone would invent them. Msg #10299 Dated 22:57:41 07-27-91 10249 <--> 10310 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Personally, I rather like thumb tips. I do agree, however, that if you see one flashed it should be taken away from the operator. Msg #10300 Dated 22:57:15 07-27-91 -> 10392 From: SCOTT WELLS To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X) Re: CONTESTS I have just read your article on the IBM contest and put down a few of my thoughts on the old word processor. I uploaded my reply as CONTESTS.TXT and would invite your comments. Msg #10301 Dated 23:04:32 07-27-91 10212 <--> 10302 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Thanks, Randy! Really great work and your efforts are appreciated. Msg #10302 Dated 23:05:41 07-27-91 10214 <--> 10465 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Have a good time. Those of us back at home will be looking forward to your reports. Msg #10303 Dated 23:07:27 07-27-91 10250 <--> 10467 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL I'm working on an idea back here at MAGIC! Central. It has been in progress for a few days. Basically, it is a chance for everyone to show their creativity in an on-line magic trick creation. Don't want to completely tip it yet 'cause it ain't quite finished. But should be soon. Right now, I'm working out the final version in my head. Soon as I'm satisfied with it, I'll be passing it to the person (to be named later) who is has consented to work on it with me. Stay tuned. Msg #10305 Dated 23:12:30 07-27-91 10219 <--> 10313 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Easy! PIXIE DUST! Found in the homes of Pixies, it is comprised of shed Pixie body parts and cosmic remains in proportions roughly equal to those of human under-the-bed dust. It is roughly equal in that it is composed of a slightly lower percentage of Pixie sheddings since they are smaller. Msg #10306 Dated 23:17:24 07-27-91 10220 <--> 10307 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: RESPONSES Er, I think that was a compliment, Evan. I'm just a little uneasy over what you might have suspected I smashed. Msg #10307 Dated 23:18:40 07-27-91 10243 <--> 10335 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RESPONSES They were presumably Shamrock Green. They were made to look like shamrocks, in honor of St. Patrick's Day and all that. As I recall, the specific outer surface was flocking. Let me take a look... ARGH(tm - Biro)! It isn't flocking! Yetch! Urhg! Yep, they HAD ripened! Oh, well, perfect for my Lovecraftian routine. Msg #10310 Dated 23:37:48 07-27-91 10172 <--> 10311 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I think there IS a reason not to have magic competitions, in that they tend to get people to think about the art in a less than artistic way, but -- until I am Emperor Of The World -- I suppose they will continue.You know, though -- those people who use toohpicks to construct ships in bottles? They don't call them shipwrights. :) Msg #10311 Dated 23:40:41 07-27-91 10173 <--> 10312 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT i was tempted to call my tape MAGIC FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T EVEN READ -- but I decided it was a less than effective marketing device... Msg #10312 Dated 23:45:23 07-27-91 10226 <--> 10315 From: T A WATERS To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT If I remember the commandment correctly -- it was "Thou shalt have no other gods BEFORE ME" -- no prohibitions against other gods, this one just wanted to be first; you know, get the best cuts of goats in the sacrifices and suchlike. Msg #10313 Dated 23:47:23 07-27-91 10219 <--> 10334 From: T A WATERS To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Except in a part of Milwaukee -- there it's closer to 100%. Msg #10314 Dated 23:50:10 07-27-91 10185 <--> 10328 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: EGADS! I feel one should eat what one kills; that's why I don't walk on the grass. Msg #10315 Dated 23:53:21 07-27-91 10228 <--> 10316 From: T A WATERS To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT And without actors, magicians and other performers we'd have to entertain ourselves, and...hmm...guess I shouldn't have brought that up; forget I said it. Msg #10316 Dated 23:57:24 07-27-91 10256 <--> 10317 From: T A WATERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Now the use of illusion to keep the natives in line is called government... Msg #10317 Dated 0:02:01 07-28-91 10295 <--> 10318 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Yes, we would have been better off. They would've looked like goons and would not have been associated, really, with magic, but with the bores who show the plastic pocket tricks. Msg #10318 Dated 0:03:47 07-28-91 10298 <--> 10320 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I dunno, if magic contests didn't exist they might well be invented, and then discouraged by people with more sense than the inventor. Msg #10320 Dated 0:24:38 07-28-91 10310 <--> 10321 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Competitions, of almost any form, will exist. I believe that for humans, it is the nature of the beast. Perhaps, when you become Emperor of the World, you can make them illegal, but I doubt you could eliminate them. I can see it now - secret three ring events involving cocks, pit bulls and magi. On to your definitional concept - perhaps those who engage in competitive magic could be refered to as MODEL MAGICIANS? Msg #10321 Dated 0:29:05 07-28-91 10311 <--> 10322 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I gotta get this chair fixed, T A! My first thought was that by naming it so it would probably sell like hotcakes. Then my second thought hit... Msg #10322 Dated 0:39:00 07-28-91 10254 <--> 10323 From: DANTE LARSEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The guy that parks your car at the Castle is not an employee of the Castle. Msg #10323 Dated 0:30:09 07-28-91 10312 <--> 10324 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT If you remembered the commandment correctly, you would remember it as "Lo yeyah l'chaw elohem achayrem al bownowyea" (close as I can get in ASCII), Exodus 20:3. The "before me" is presumed by many Biblical scholars to be duration (i.e. - "all the time that I exist [which is forever]"), not seating arrangement. There are 63 references to "other gods" in the Old and New Testaments. Most of them are not flattering. Evan's reference is probably to the episode of the "molten calf" which is found in Exodus 32. Msg #10324 Dated 0:45:55 07-28-91 10317 <--> 10325 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I thought of that, but they still would have tried to fawn them off as "magicians" or perhaps "magic cookies." Alas, we have no general control over the use of the terms Magic or Magicians except in specific circumstances (like MAGIC!(tm)). Every day I pass a series of signs advertising "Magic Cleaners." An intriguing concept, but I doubt that the reality matches my concept of such an organization. Msg #10325 Dated 0:51:12 07-28-91 10283 <--> 10326 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Oil would act to smooth out the waves? Msg #10326 Dated 0:50:01 07-28-91 10318 <--> 10327 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Hmmmmm... I wonder if, when dentists get together, they have molar filling competitions? Of course, surgeons, prior to the invention of anesthetics, DID hold such competitions. Maybe there is a clue there - hold the magic competitions, but administer anesthetics to the judges. Rather an aesthetic concept, isn't it? Msg #10328 Dated 0:55:27 07-28-91 10314 <--> 10337 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: EGADS! A dozen rejoinders came to my mind. In the interests of magic and MAGIC! I have surpressed all of them. Msg #10330 Dated 0:57:44 07-28-91 10320 <--> 10331 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT It does seem people rush to place themselves in a hierarchy, no matter what the situation, doesn't it? Msg #10332 Dated 0:59:57 07-28-91 10278 <--> 10349 From: EVAN KATZ To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION wToo late. Thank you for your consideration, though. Msg #10333 Dated 1:00:49 07-28-91 10330 <--> 10338 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Yes, there are some things about humans that are built into the architecture and competitiveness is one of them. The truth is that any work for magi is a competitive activity - one can choose not to participate in organized competitions, but one still competes in getting work. Msg #10335 Dated 1:02:58 07-28-91 10306 <--> 10336 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: RESPONSES Barriers, David, barriers. Msg #10336 Dated 1:03:46 07-28-91 10335 <--> 10857 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: RESPONSES Oh, well, if that's all, then thank you for the compliment. Msg #10338 Dated 1:05:03 07-28-91 10326 <--> 10339 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT My father is a dentist. When they get together, they do not have molar filling competitions. Instead, they take turns standing up and imitating the faces of patients contorted in pain. Msg #10343 Dated 1:15:00 07-28-91 10083 <--> 10354 From: MARK LODGE To: TOMMY WONDER (X) Re: S I look forward to meeting you, also. I think it will be a special day. Msg #10346 Dated 1:33:02 07-28-91 -> 10355 From: BURT CARPENTER To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC .yletal lacov oot neeb t'nevah I yrroS !?gniog ti sowh nambaT yeH .smelborp esion enil elbirret dah ev'I devom eciffo eht ecniS lla smelborp\stcejorp rojam lareves htiw citceh neeb osla s'tI fo stol edam yllaer e'vuoy ekil sdnuoS .emit emas eht ta no gniog txen noisses gnihcaet a tuoba woH .sevom drac eht no ssergorp ?rehtgot teg ew emit truB- Msg #10348 Dated 2:06:18 07-28-91 -> 10372 From: JERRY BURTON To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: COSMIC DATING SERVICE Ee;10017 Just got back from an evening of Mozart under the stars down at Ivine Meadows. Pulled off the Cosmic Dating Service on a few buddies and just wanted to share a thought. The essence of magic is creating a moment for friends that is truly special for both the performer and the audience. . I'm sure you have experienced this felling as well. The best $ 15 I've ever spent. Msg #10349 Dated 2:06:28 07-28-91 10064 <--> 10369 From: JERRY BURTON To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Did you get my response regarding Lake Arrowhead ? I think it got appended to a msg to Mike Close. Msg #10350 Dated 2:06:33 07-28-91 10158 <--> 10374 From: JERRY BURTON To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Evan says no more bald jokes (rug - brain cells under). Please don't do that he'll start with semi-colons or periods next. Msg #10351 Dated 2:06:38 07-28-91 10130 <--> 10401 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTESTS That would certainly take the local bias out of judging and also add credibility to the concept of contests. Most of the really qualif ied people attend the constests anyway, why not ask them to judge formally (I'm sure they do it informally almost automatically). Msg #10352 Dated 2:06:44 07-28-91 10163 <--> 10356 From: JERRY BURTON To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Given a choice of booking a magician who would you pick - Iggy Swartz a really good personality that does magic or the winner of the close- up competition of the IBM. Most buyers consider magicians to be interchangable so the one with credentials gets booked, wheeras the one without does not. . Is every engineer from MIT better than a graduate of North Dakota PolyTech ? Contests provide opportunity, that's why they exist. Msg #10353 Dated 2:06:55 07-28-91 10155 <--> 10375 From: JERRY BURTON To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LINKING PINS If you don't fool yourself with a move how can you expect to fool anyone else ? Msg #10355 Dated 2:22:00 07-28-91 10346 <--> 10371 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC dluohs taht ,enil htrof eht no tub ,rammarg tuoba ykcip eb ot etah I ".ev`uoy" neeb evah Msg #10356 Dated 3:57:26 07-28-91 10286 <--> 10357 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT There's also a little of all of our money in Titanic Thompson's wallet! 'W. Msg #10357 Dated 3:58:39 07-28-91 10287 <--> 10358 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT A great legal mind, Tab. We coulda both been lawyers in another lifetime. I'm glad we met in THIS one! 'W. Msg #10358 Dated 4:07:46 07-28-91 10292 <--> 10359 From: WAYNE POWERS To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT One man's progress is another man's poison. I have never used a plastic cigarette vanisher. In fact, I try to own and use as little plastic in any form as possible. In general, the abundance of cars and plastic today are two things which I do not necessarily view as progress. 'W. Msg #10359 Dated 4:18:42 07-28-91 10315 <--> 10361 From: WAYNE POWERS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You aren't the first to say that. I believe Onan beat you to it. 'W. Msg #10361 Dated 5:13:34 07-28-91 10333 <--> 10362 From: MAX MAVEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT No, not necessarily. Your concept of the way in which performers get work seems to be rather narrowly defined. Indeed, many areas of show business operate on a very competitive basis, but by no means all. Msg #10362 Dated 5:18:31 07-28-91 10352 <--> 10367 From: MAX MAVEN To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Frankly, to most bookers an award from a magic organization that the booker has never heard of is hardly worth considering as a "credential." There are a lot of other credentials that mean far more in the real marketplace. I'm reminded of the occasion when FISM close-up first prize champion John Cornelius did his first professional gig ... three months after he won his award. Msg #10363 Dated 6:18:58 07-28-91 -> 10378 From: ANTHONY BLAKE To: ALL Re: I'M BACK Hey yall, the GEEKMAN is back!!! Have been away for a while (working, goofing off and going through a lot of personal karma adjusting), look forward to communicating with y'all again...each and every one of you!!! So till I read the over 10000 mesages waiting for me ( ok so I'll take it a little bit at a time...). I'll be tuning in on a more frequent basis...as always cards and letters are welcome.... The one, the only... THE GEEKMAN!!!!!!!!!!!! Msg #10366 Dated 6:45:38 07-28-91 10281 <- From: MICHAEL AMMAR To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X) Re: TOPIT Hi Bruce! So glad to hear from you! I don't remember if I had time to enter an apology for not being able to walk you through the coins thru silk at Vegas. It was SUCH a hecti final day!! As it turned out, I missed the 200 PAL tapes being delivered for FISM by only 30 minutes. Oh well! Then, following FISM, Hannah and I took a week off for Italy. On returning, I had about 60 hours to get ready to leave town again - to Vegas, of all places - and I only returned last night, Saturday, July 27. As for the fellows name for the topit, I do have the information, but it will take me about 2 days to clear the top of my desk, at which point I'll probably uncover it! If I don't pop back on with the info, remind me again in a couple of days, and I'm sure I'll have it. Until then - take care and best wishes!! Msg #10367 Dated 8:25:03 07-28-91 10295 <--> 10368 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You know, you guys are so against this Oreo magician thing, but if you were a struggling magician and could get it for a gig to make a few bucks to help out you might be singing a different tune. Msg #10368 Dated 8:25:10 07-28-91 10297 <--> 10370 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I'm not interested in Nabisco, RJR, Oreo's, etc anymore. I have other magic fish to fry. Msg #10370 Dated 8:25:19 07-28-91 10325 <--> 10376 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You've heard the expression, "Smoothed like oil on the waters"? well yes, I guess so if there isn't too much chop and it's a small pond. It increases the surface tension. I guess Benj wasn't too concerned with ecology, etc. Was probably whale oil anyhow. Msg #10371 Dated 8:25:25 07-28-91 10346 <--> 10404 From: TABBY CRABB To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC was thinking about you past coupla days hoping you weren't dead or in trouble someplace. glad to hear from you. i'm gonna try to come to left shelf after labor day at some point for a week to visit and etc. you know i'll be in touch. Msg #10372 Dated 8:46:38 07-28-91 10348 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: COSMIC DATING SERVICE It's that moment of suspended reality that makes you know that all must be right in the world because you've forgotten all about it. To suspend reality through laughter or wonderment, if even for a moment, is a special gift, and one to be used. You're doing it. Don't know how you do it, Jerry. Msg #10373 Dated 8:46:45 07-28-91 10349 <--> 10385 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I don't think so. Msg #10374 Dated 8:46:48 07-28-91 10350 <--> 10393 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER You know, I was speaking in more a metophorical sense. Msg #10375 Dated 8:46:52 07-28-91 10353 <--> 10403 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: LINKING PINS That's a good point, Jerry. When you can't see it, they can't see it is a pretty good rule of thumb. There was a kid, I forget his name, Dan ?, that the guys in Buffalo say is a young Eddie Fechter whom I spent some time with. He kept doing a false cut, saying "That looks good doesn't it?" I kept thinking to myself, "What looks good?" but he kept on doing it til I saw it. It did look good. It's a cut anyone can do. Msg #10376 Dated 8:47:00 07-28-91 10356 <--> 10377 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Guy told me yesterday, "You can steal more money with a leather briefcase than you can with a gun!" Then he glanced over at my worn Kangaroo case from down under. Msg #10377 Dated 8:47:05 07-28-91 10357 <--> 10381 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Likewise, I'm looking forward to Elvis and Me tonight. You'd of made an excellent lawyer. Say, why don't you go over and get a gig on LA Law? Msg #10378 Dated 8:47:10 07-28-91 10363 <--> 10384 From: TABBY CRABB To: ANTHONY BLAKE Re: I'M BACK Hey Geek, Wondered what happened to you. You blazed in and then out again so fa st I thought you were a figment of our collective imagination. Msg #10381 Dated 9:40:25 07-28-91 10361 <--> 10382 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I'd be interested in an example of an area of show business in which performers do not operate on a competitive basis. Msg #10382 Dated 9:41:48 07-28-91 10367 <--> 10383 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT T'wasn't me who was against the Oreo promotion. I think that it was OK. And I don't see anything wrong with performing magic in supermarkets. Are they that different from either resturants or street corners? Msg #10383 Dated 9:44:30 07-28-91 10368 <--> 10386 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Hmmm... Legends of magic fish abound. Msg #10384 Dated 9:45:52 07-28-91 10363 <--> 10437 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ANTHONY BLAKE Re: I'M BACK GREAT to have you back, Anthony! We've missed you around here. I would suggest that you catch up by reading the recent messages FIRST. Then, if time permits, read backwards on the old ones. Otherwise you will never catch up! Msg #10386 Dated 10:20:48 07-28-91 10292 <--> 10387 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The holes in mine seem to be there so that it will set fire to my sleeve! Without holes the oxygen would be gone and the fag would be extinguished. If you use the cigarette pull, try angling it in different positions in your hand so it does not look like you are shoving the offending item to be vanished straigth into the sleeve. Msg #10387 Dated 10:20:56 07-28-91 10294 <--> 10388 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I have seen some great smoke/cigarette/cigar effects from Finn Jon and have one given me by Fred Kaps. None suggest anyone take up smoking. Msg #10388 Dated 10:21:03 07-28-91 10295 <--> 10389 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Without the Nabisco promotion David Williamson would not have had the "great" opening bit to his Comedy Club act! So there! Msg #10389 Dated 10:21:09 07-28-91 10297 <--> 10390 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT What and get another set of politicians? Nah, FISM is an amateur organization... (that is until now, when it goes to Japan, where it will run better than a Swiss Clock (Swiss clocks are old fashioned) and act more like a Seiko... right on time, planned and excecuted... and with the NHK TV network funding will resemble the (no I can't say it).... enuf Msg #10390 Dated 10:21:19 07-28-91 10298 <--> 10391 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Competition, no matter what form, is good for many people. Msg #10391 Dated 10:21:24 07-28-91 10299 <--> 10394 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT My favorite thumb tip is chrome plated. No one ever sees it. Cause I never use one. But after seeing Salvano's work I think I will. He, and Slydini, are the only ones *I HAVE SEEN* that have really thunk about the famed and wonderful TT. With thier handling you literally don't use it on the thumb like 99-percent of the rest of the Conjurians! argh Msg #10392 Dated 10:21:33 07-28-91 10300 <--> 10425 From: PETE BIRO To: SCOTT WELLS Re: CONTESTS C'mon guys, let 'em be messages so we don't have to search the files Msg #10393 Dated 10:21:37 07-28-91 10305 <--> 10426 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Cheesh... and I was just starting to think you knew what you were doing and talking about... Pixie dust... arrghhh spiiit cough... Msg #10394 Dated 10:21:42 07-28-91 10317 <--> 10395 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I would like to see a competition for plastic pocket tricks. Heh, why not line up the talented people and issue them Mark Wilson Magic Sets and see who does the best show? Msg #10395 Dated 10:21:48 07-28-91 10322 <--> 10396 From: PETE BIRO To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Picky picky picky! You still didn't tell us what has become of Berri Lee? Msg #10396 Dated 10:21:54 07-28-91 10323 <--> 10397 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT What's the effect? Msg #10397 Dated 10:21:58 07-28-91 10324 <--> 10398 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You make the mistake of passing by MAGIC CLEANERS. You can bring in your old tricks and they spruce them up. Make old acts look like new. Just like the COIN LAUNDRY. Bring in your old nickels, dimes and quarters and they'll.... forget it (It's my joke and I like it) Msg #10398 Dated 10:22:05 07-28-91 10325 <--> 10399 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Yeah the environmental company would come in with their equipment and encircle the area... hence no waves. Msg #10399 Dated 10:22:11 07-28-91 10326 <--> 10400 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Lets have a competition here on magic, er sorry MAGIC!, to create a new effect. EFFECT! Start thinking. I will be the sole JUDGE, that way I don't need to compete. But I might. Msg #10400 Dated 10:22:17 07-28-91 10333 <--> 10402 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Who holds the world record for number of consecutive complete FARO sh shuffles? I heard it used to be Harry Riser at 8 per minute? Msg #10401 Dated 10:22:23 07-28-91 10351 <--> 10438 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTESTS That's why the "People's Choice" at the Desert Seminar works so good. No politics. Everyone in the audience *BEING SELF-APPOINTED EXPERTS* gets to voice their opinions. Msg #10402 Dated 10:22:28 07-28-91 10352 <--> 10405 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I would book neither (since I am a legitimate booker) without seeing a video (or live performance) of the intended workers. Msg #10403 Dated 10:22:33 07-28-91 10353 <--> 10478 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: LINKING PINS How do you define "fool yourself"? Looking in a mirror and not detecting anything secret? Watching it on video? I know that I (and others have told me the same thing) blink at the crucial moment when practicing and fool myself into thinking I fooled myself all the time. That's why it is best to NOT PRACTICE AT ALL. Msg #10404 Dated 10:22:43 07-28-91 10355 <--> 10407 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC Bass Ackwards? Msg #10405 Dated 10:22:46 07-28-91 10362 <--> 10406 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Max, does not a lecture or a convention show (he is paid for) constitute a professional gig for Cornelius? I don't know, but I have the feeling he doesn't seek a lot of shows for non magical folks. John is one of the great clever/thinking guys. On another subject, do you know the first name of the creator of the MacAbee rings? (The crinkle-style linking bracelets). Later. Msg #10406 Dated 10:22:55 07-28-91 10367 <--> 10408 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT And if nothing else, would have something to eat! Msg #10407 Dated 10:23:00 07-28-91 10371 <--> 10428 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC When you come tumblin' on in to the Left Coast... the Grand Hotel Kroznopolski II, has your suite ready. Will post to you via FAX mine humble, but semi-hectic travel sked. A couple of trips to Vegas in near future on the list... mebbe we can overlap? Msg #10408 Dated 10:22:36 07-28-91 10358 <--> 10409 From: STAN LAKE To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I believe Eugene Burger recommends a wooden cigarette vanisher. I haven't seen one but assuming it too has holes drilled into the bottom is this to keep the cigarette lit for later reproduction? Msg #10409 Dated 10:37:51 07-28-91 10387 <--> 10410 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Yes, Finn Jon does some great smoke effects. Personally, I've always been leary of cig. pull vanishes while the cigarette is still lit. Generally also pad the bottom of any thumb tip with fairly damp paper towels - keeps the platic ones from melting and the metal ones from getting too hot. Agreed, do not recommend smoking to anyone. Msg #10410 Dated 10:40:31 07-28-91 10388 <--> 10411 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Yes, I really liked the Williamson opening. The original Oreo promotion material did not specify, as later pieces did, that they were only recruiting around college age. I gave some thought to auditioning, simply because it would have been fun. Msg #10411 Dated 10:43:20 07-28-91 10389 <--> 10412 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I'm hoping to save up some dough and get to FISM-Japan. I noticed that the promises the Japanese made about airfares, etc. did NOT mention any special fares from the U.S. Msg #10412 Dated 10:42:02 07-28-91 10386 <--> 10413 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT That's what I thought- the cigarette would be extinguished if the holes were not drilled into the bottom of the pull. So if you wanted to simply vanish the cig and not reproduce it, how about jamming a bit of aluminum foil into the bottom of the pull to be certain it doesn't continue to burn sending a tell-tale column of smoke curling up from your jacket? Msg #10413 Dated 10:45:36 07-28-91 10391 <--> 10414 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT There can be some beautiful work done with thumb tips. Much like you are suggesting in your message, and like Tommy Wonder's suggestions about Zombies, it is a matter of thinking thru the effect. Msg #10414 Dated 10:46:44 07-28-91 10391 <--> 10415 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I'm sure you've seen Johnny Ace Palmers routine with the three colored silks and the thumbtip. At the Castle he jokingly defies magicians in the audience to see the thumbtip. He says something like "You may know how I do it but you won't SEE how I do it." Msg #10415 Dated 10:49:03 07-28-91 10396 <--> 10416 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT It had something to do with not stealing from others. Kicked off by Tabby's message #10146. As far as I can tell, there are no direct references to thumb tips in the Bible. But there are plenty of outlines for some mojo effects. The video was performance only. Msg #10416 Dated 10:52:34 07-28-91 10412 <--> 10417 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Yeah, and retrieving a standard pull would be difficult to hide. Of course the clever dude would make a holdout type pull that can come back with ease if you wanted to. Msg #10417 Dated 10:52:47 07-28-91 10397 <--> 10418 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Yeah. I've often WONDERED if Magic Cleaners can clean and press a Zombie ball. Msg #10418 Dated 10:51:06 07-28-91 10394 <--> 10419 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I have to tell you this Pete. My wife walked in to see what deep bits of maigic thinking I was reading on here when your last comment about Mark Wilson Magic Sets came up. We both busted up laughing! Msg #10419 Dated 10:53:51 07-28-91 10399 <--> 10420 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Actually, a plan to do just that has been in the works for about two weeks! Will be announcing it shortly. I think I have the Judge's position already filled, but will let you know. Will probably post the message about the competition around the middle of the week. Msg #10420 Dated 10:53:20 07-28-91 10413 <--> 10421 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I have been asked to put a cheap tour together for the Japan FISM. Will offer a special super discount rate to members of MAGIC! You probably don't remember my early tours. I ran the "EL CHEAPO BUT GOOD-OH" tour to the Belgian and French FISM'S but a tragel agent screwed me at the one to Lausanne some yaears back and TARNISHED my reputation. I think it is OK to do it again, now. I generally had about 30 peopel on the tours and had special parties and meetings with top magicians and clubs in varioius cities on the way! Msg #10421 Dated 10:55:40 07-28-91 10414 <--> 10422 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Have not seen the routine. I would bet that if I saw it and took his challenge that I WOUJLD JUMP UP AND STOP HIS SHOW. I did this one time when a guy walked on stage with the shirt sticiking out of his fly ala Gt. Tomsoni. I leaped from my seat and shouted "HEY THAT IS NOT YOUR BIT IT IS THE GREAT TOMSONI'S" -=- really did that! Msg #10422 Dated 10:57:10 07-28-91 10417 <--> 10423 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT They will if you tell 'em I sent you. Msg #10423 Dated 10:57:55 07-28-91 10298 <--> 10427 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT And others would enter them. And one would win. Msg #10425 Dated 10:57:54 07-28-91 10392 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTESTS I haven't had a chance to look at Scott's file yet, but I believe it is some 12K long - would make a set of rather large messages. He's done the right thing by posting it as a file. Msg #10426 Dated 10:59:33 07-28-91 10393 <--> 10479 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER Hey! Evan asked a very reasonable question and I was trying as hard as possible to come up with a reasonable answer. Admittedly, I was reaching, but if you can do better, go ahead. Msg #10427 Dated 11:02:07 07-28-91 10421 <--> 10429 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Why would you jump up and stop Johnny Ace Palmer's show? Is that someone elses line or challenge he is using? Msg #10428 Dated 11:00:58 07-28-91 10404 <--> 10440 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC I think there is something fishy about your comment, Pete. I have no idea why Burt decided to do that, but it was clever - once. Also would be a good idea for driving someone with a fax machine nuts. To do the backwards trick perfectly (the limitations of the characters available on a computer made Burt, for the most part, use the standard character set, although he was very clever with the back slashes and reversed apostrophies, etc.) you need to reverse the entire letter. Would be perfect on a fax machine - guy would probably call a technician and have the whole thing apart. Here's how: o Type your letter onto CLEAR overhead transparency material. If you don't have a laser printer or other printer that will do this, print onto paper and photocopy onto transparency material. o Reverse the transparency in a photocopier and make a paper copy. (Your paper copy will now be a perfectly reversed version of your letterhead, letter, etc.). o Fax the reversed version. Naturally, this same technique could be used to make reverse prints of anything for close-up or stage use too. Msg #10429 Dated 11:07:42 07-28-91 10412 <--> 10430 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Try using damp paper towels in the bottom of the pull or thumb tip. Msg #10430 Dated 11:08:56 07-28-91 10420 <--> 10431 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Put me on the list! Instead of a magic cruise, we could look into a magic tramp steamer (seriously). Many stop at places like Bora Bora, etc. Msg #10431 Dated 11:10:31 07-28-91 10423 <--> 10434 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Exactly. But I don't really want to get too involved in the magic contest discussion. I've enjoyed reading the comments of others too much to mess with it. Msg #10432 Dated 11:05:17 07-28-91 -> 10457 From: STAN LAKE To: ALL Re: MAGIC VACATION I am fortunate to have the use of a 4 bedroom 1 and a half bath cabin with all of the amenities on lake front property at Bass Lake about a half hour from Yosemite. There is a ski boat, a fishing boat and a nice deck under the redwoods overlooking the lake which is not only theraputic in its peacefulness but is also my favorite place to think about and practice magic. My wife and I usually stay by ourselves but I was wondering if other bulletin board members might also enjoy spending some time away from their hectic lives for some rest, relaxation, magic, and everything else that the Bass Lake area offers. (Which is considerable) We will be there for a couple of weeks in August which may be too short of notice for most of you, but if some of you are interested in next year let's see how many of us can coordinate schedules for a great time! Just let me know by public or private message. Msg #10434 Dated 11:43:40 07-28-91 10381 <--> 10435 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Remember the old saw, "It's not what you know, but who you know!!" Msg #10435 Dated 11:43:44 07-28-91 10382 <--> 10436 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You are the next to last guy I'd pick on, you know. The point is that the bottom of the ladder is so crowded, that any opportunities to make money from one's art/craft/hobby/techniques would be welcome to a lot of people. Plus, one of those magicians might catch the eye of some exec with Nabisco or a shopper who is a tv exec, movie producer, etc. In today's show biz, the look is so important. I think I would of made a great COOKIE. Msg #10436 Dated 11:43:53 07-28-91 10383 <--> 10439 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT With ruby scales and diamond teeth granting wishes when you catch them. magic frogs, too. Msg #10437 Dated 11:43:59 07-28-91 10384 <--> 10449 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: I'M BACK Over 20,000 messages in less than two short years. An enviable record. Msg #10438 Dated 11:44:03 07-28-91 10401 <--> 10640 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTESTS Seems like the best solution to me too. Let the audience vote!! Msg #10439 Dated 11:44:06 07-28-91 10406 <--> 10441 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The question is, how many boxes of Oreos fit into a Topit? Msg #10440 Dated 11:44:10 07-28-91 10407 <--> 10444 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC I won't come west without making sure Birosan and tabman overlap. Is that a Slydini move? Msg #10441 Dated 11:44:14 07-28-91 10408 <--> 10442 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT The metal P$L pull I have gets too hot, but I now coordinate it with a loud yell and call it the Kung Foo cig vanish. Msg #10442 Dated 11:44:19 07-28-91 10420 <--> 10446 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Put me down for the EL CHEAPO BUT GOOD-OH to Nippon, please. Msg #10444 Dated 11:44:29 07-28-91 10428 <--> 10450 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC I don't know if he was first, but credit Ben Harris of down under with the reverse on film to paper idea via fax as it's in MAD FAX. Msg #10446 Dated 12:03:26 07-28-91 10434 <--> 10447 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Do you think that is what Max has in mind? Still, even "wired" jobs are often carefully cultivated through a competitive maze. I suspect that in the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, they still have auditions. Msg #10447 Dated 12:05:26 07-28-91 10435 <--> 10448 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Indeed, I agree. And in the Oreo promotion the top prize was an appearance with Harry Blackstone Jr. Had I known that they were auditioning for the cookies, I might have tried out for that. Msg #10448 Dated 12:07:07 07-28-91 10436 <--> 10452 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Granted, but the magic frogs generally only work for females, since they expect kisses from members of that gender. I know of no legends of female magic frogs workin' for guys. Seriously, it always seemed to me that there must be something behind all those legends. It is relatively easy to connect today's magic to shamans, witches, etc., but where is the connection to magic frogs, unicorns and trolls? Msg #10449 Dated 12:10:26 07-28-91 10437 <--> 10456 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I'M BACK MAGIC! is indeed a busy place. In addition to 20,000 messages in about 18 months, in the next few days we should be seeing the 20,000th sign on. Hope whoever does it notices, as it is a bit difficult to get the info from the log. Msg #10450 Dated 12:11:44 07-28-91 10444 <--> 10462 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC I've never gotten a copy of Mad Fax, but as I was writting up the effect I had a suspicion that it might have been in the book. I've been doing it for years. Msg #10452 Dated 12:23:21 07-28-91 10376 <--> 10453 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT heh, heh. Msg #10453 Dated 12:35:23 07-28-91 10408 <--> 10454 From: WAYNE POWERS To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Yes, but it can't be TOO much later. Experimentation with the pull place in the clothing you will be wearing in performance is the best guide. 'W. Msg #10454 Dated 12:37:10 07-28-91 10409 <--> 10455 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I don't smoke cigarettes...only pipes and cigars. I personally believe cigarettes to be an abuse of tobacco. I will always argue for someone's freedom of choice in smoking and have NEVER encouraged any nonsoker t soke. There are some great smoke effects, however...which reminds me that I have ONE brand-new, never used "CRYSTAL FANTASY" for sale. It's very well-made with gimmick, glass and silk. The retail price is $139.00. First offer of $100. gets it. A full description can be found by downloading "WAYNE.LST" from the files section. It's a beautiful effect coomplete with full routining for non-smokers! Can be done on stage or close-up; silent with music or as a patter routine. 'W. Msg #10455 Dated 12:50:16 07-28-91 10377 <--> 10458 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Actually, most in the industry view me strictly as a comedian/comic actor. ELVIS AND ME is one of my rare appearances in TV or film in a dramatic role. The majority of my scenes are in Part Two and a large amount of the film was cut...partly due to the four-hour allowance from ABC and partly for personal/political reasons as Priscilla served as Executive Producer on the project, which was based on her best-selling book. TV GUIDE gives the miniseries a three-star (***) rating and, in terms of popularity, it ranked as one of the highest-rated miniseries ever when it first aired. Tonight marks only the second American broadcast of ELVIS AND ME. It has been broadcast around the world in many languages. I enjoyed the project because we shot it mostly in sequence, which is very rare in TV or film. After several months of being immersed in the project both in the studio and several locations, I really walked away feeling like I actually had BEEN THERE. That's MAGIC in the acting profession! 'Wayne. Msg #10456 Dated 13:09:03 07-28-91 10363 <--> 10589 From: WAYNE POWERS To: ANTHONY BLAKE Re: I'M BACK Welcome back. It's nice to have another fedora online! 'W. Msg #10457 Dated 13:10:59 07-28-91 10432 <--> 10490 From: WAYNE POWERS To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAGIC VACATION I'll be up North at my cabin the week before Labor Day and will be meandering through the Gold Chain area on Highway 49 on the way back. Perhaps you might like to join us for lunch in one of the ol' ghost towns? 'W. Msg #10458 Dated 13:14:17 07-28-91 10446 <--> 10459 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I have yet to second guess Max Maven. I've tried in the past and he has always surprised me, so I gave up on that. I do know that any action I've got in the entertainment biz right now is through someone I know very well, not through some competative process. This isn't to say that I don't "have the goods", but I'm not the only one with the goods. Years ago when I was hanging out at Gilley's and tryng for a gig there, Johnny Lee told me on two occasions (a valuable lesson) "It sure would be nice to have you up here with us, but nobody is going to give it to you. You've got to want it bad enough to get it yourself."I did, and I did. Having the talent is the given, there are many more factors involved. The only contests I've ever won were with myself. Outside of that, I have no competition. One rule though, you have to know when (very important) to cut your losses and walk away. Msg #10459 Dated 13:14:29 07-28-91 10447 <--> 10460 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I once went to costume party as a fudgecicle. I painted myself brown and, oh never mind. Msg #10460 Dated 13:14:34 07-28-91 10448 <--> 10463 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT And, what about the Garden of Eden? "Eden", I like that. If we ever get outa here and get a new place I think I'll name it that. Start a commune based on Magick. I get to wear the cape first. Msg #10462 Dated 13:14:45 07-28-91 10450 <--> 10487 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC MAD FAX is OK. I suspected you had. I have a mirror over my fax machi ne just for such an occasion. After I got Mad Fax, I was faxxing junk mail to guys til Bill Wells came over and tore the book up and smashed my copy machine. Msg #10463 Dated 13:14:51 07-28-91 10452 <--> 10469 From: TABBY CRABB To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT LA Law. You'd be great. Think about it and send me my 10% when it happens. Msg #10465 Dated 13:45:41 07-28-91 10229 <--> 10466 From: RANDY LUND To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Interesting, I knew Dave Madden was going to be there as MC but according to the folks at Abbotts, icluding the girl in the front office who was scheduling the acts Jim, Vic and Shag were going to be in town, but were not scheduled to perform. I'm going to all of the shows and I'll find out!!!!!!!!!!! . Randy Msg #10466 Dated 13:48:19 07-28-91 10238 <--> 10468 From: RANDY LUND To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Yea, its about 35-40min from my house to Abbotts front door. Msg #10467 Dated 13:49:46 07-28-91 10250 <--> 10501 From: RANDY LUND To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL This may turn out to have a snowball effect, one idea begets another, something like incest. Msg #10468 Dated 13:50:51 07-28-91 10301 <--> 10472 From: RANDY LUND To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Is there some way we can find out how many new members we get as a result of this......Randy Msg #10469 Dated 14:06:05 07-28-91 10398 <--> 10470 From: EVAN KATZ To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I merely point out that my trademarking Argh(tm), you have unfairly limited my responses to your responses. Or something like that. Msg #10470 Dated 14:08:29 07-28-91 10415 <--> 10471 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT My Bar Mitzvah speech happened to be about thumb tip references in the book of Daniel. Well, maybe not thumb tips, but the speech really was about magic in the bible! It was also pretty lame, if I remember correctly. My limbs, head and features were generall the wrong size in realtion to other parts of me, and I wore a plaid sports jacket. Msg #10471 Dated 14:14:57 07-28-91 10463 <--> 10473 From: WAYNE POWERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT You're gonna wind up with a shiny leather briefcase yet, Tab! 'W. Msg #10472 Dated 14:16:09 07-28-91 10465 <--> 10500 From: WAYNE POWERS To: RANDY LUND (X) Re: ABBOTTS FLYER Great, Randy. You're in for quite a treat!!! Have a great time and let us know all about it when you return!!! 'W. Msg #10473 Dated 14:54:21 07-28-91 10107 <--> 10474 From: TOMMY WONDER To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT To judge technique is relatively easy to do for judges. At least more easy than for instance timing, or construction of effect, or acting. To pick out one of many elements, just becayuse it is the relatively easiest.. I do not know. Are these rules there to make things easier for the judges, to make them feel their judging is based on something? Something they can put a finger on? I feel it is strange to take one of many elements and to judge that one seperately. For whom are these modifications? For the judges or the performers. I have my doubts here.... Msg #10474 Dated 14:58:49 07-28-91 10109 <--> 10475 From: TOMMY WONDER To: T A WATERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT It takes many talents to become a magician. One is that one is able to visualize onself doing a certain thing. If you cannot do that, well that's a handicap then. If one has too many handicaps, pity, one cannot become a magician. But I agree... it might have to do that books are scanned for the gimmicks. Msg #10475 Dated 15:01:42 07-28-91 10126 <--> 10476 From: TOMMY WONDER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I think that is funny, that they thought it used a gimmick. Also goes to show that a good performer can work so that the judges, no matter how knowledgable can fool the hell out of them, and then what is there left to judge....technique? Definately not. Msg #10476 Dated 15:03:30 07-28-91 10127 <--> 10477 From: TOMMY WONDER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Ill hear from you! s Msg #10477 Dated 15:05:40 07-28-91 10139 <--> 10483 From: TOMMY WONDER To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT I'll send them as soon as I am back in Holland! Msg #10478 Dated 15:06:22 07-28-91 10140 <--> 10482 From: TOMMY WONDER To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LINKING PINS I have no idea. Also by now I understand from Michael Weber that there was only one move described. Han had a lot of work on the pins, alas we cannot check with him anymore. Msg #10479 Dated 15:08:21 07-28-91 10156 <--> 10505 From: TOMMY WONDER To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TOMMY WONDER I will try to make it a real book! Msg #10480 Dated 15:09:09 07-28-91 From: TOMMY WONDER To: MAGICNL Re: VIDEO To arnaud van rietschoten. Hallo, Het is hier ongelooflijk druk. De afgelopen twee dagen alweer honderden berichten. Tegenwoordig bekijk ik bijna alleen maar berichten die aan mij gericht zijn. Ik was gisteren in Sacramento bij de lezing van Michael Weber (ik had zijn lezing gemist bij FISM, vandaar) en ontmoette daar iemand die beweerd dat hij een van de grootste collecties video's heeft. Kan jij hem ook NTSC banden sturen. Zo ja, dan is hij geinteresseerd in swapping! Zijn adres is: Lehman Forrester 10536 Italia Way Rancho Corodua CA 95670 tel.916-638-0638 Stuur hem een berichtje(niet via het board!, want daar zit hij niet op!). Msg #10482 Dated 15:41:50 07-28-91 10043 <--> 10511 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LINKING PINS The way things are looking, I think I'm going to take you up on your offer. If it's not too much of an imposition, could you dig up your copy of Jerry Andrus's instructions and copy them for me? Also, his address would be great! Send them to: P.O. Box 2363, Redondo Beach, CA 90278. Let me know if you need anything (SASE, etc) Thanks for the help! Msg #10483 Dated 15:46:03 07-28-91 10382 <--> 10484 From: CINDY SZERLIP To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Maybe a Chips Ahoy instead of an Oreo might be better. Msg #10484 Dated 16:10:59 07-28-91 10405 <--> 10485 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT No, I don't think a magic convention or lecture booking is the same as a professional gig. However, my mention of the Cornelius anecdote was not meant to be a put-down of John, but rather a means of putting the "meaning" of contest awards in perspective. I vaguely recall that MacAbee's first name was Brett; not sure, though. Msg #10485 Dated 16:12:41 07-28-91 10408 <--> 10488 From: MAX MAVEN To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT No, Eugene does not reproduce the lit cigarette. Msg #10487 Dated 17:07:52 07-28-91 10428 <--> 10492 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC I din't realize it was Burt who wrote backwards, I thought it was a message from you. Solly! Msg #10488 Dated 17:07:57 07-28-91 10429 <--> 10489 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT If you don't have the damp stuff, just a little saliva will help. Msg #10489 Dated 17:08:01 07-28-91 10430 <--> 10491 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Will probably go via Hawaii and a friend of mine owns an Island in Tahiti... could have a magic contest there to see who gets left behind with only a set of thumb tips, Zombie balls and a Mark Wilson Magic Set. Msg #10490 Dated 17:08:08 07-28-91 10432 <--> 10498 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAGIC VACATION Tabman and I would be possible candidates... if we can get some of the Accounts recievable to come to life! Keep in tuch... I give free lessons when the scene is right. (How to enter contests!!) Msg #10491 Dated 17:08:14 07-28-91 10439 <--> 10493 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT A poacher's bag, as they say in the olde country. Harold Comden was the "discoverer" of its us in Magic, then Lewis Davenport made it popular and Pat Page brought it to the modern magic scene! Msg #10492 Dated 17:08:20 07-28-91 10440 <--> 10540 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NI GNIKCEHC It could be a Slydni-ism... but actually, in magic, to Overlap, is to miss the lap (some magi are so fat they do not have laps) and it goes straight into the briefcase (Aluminum Halliburton, right?). Goshman often told me he couldn't do the lapping stuff, as he often didn't have one! Msg #10493 Dated 17:08:28 07-28-91 10441 <--> 10495 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Two of my best dinner jackets have 1/4-inch thick asbestos lined sleeves. Ask Roger Klause about the session I was sitting in, all ready with a new electronic device that would shoot fire out of my hand (when properly set and positioned) that WENT OFF EARLY and set fire to my forearm and sleeve! I left the room very quickly to find a sinkfull of cold water to jump into!!! Arrrggghhhh. Msg #10495 Dated 17:08:47 07-28-91 10448 <--> 10496 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Doug Henning is the last person I have spoken with that indeed does believe there is a Unicorn in HIS garden. Msg #10496 Dated 17:08:53 07-28-91 10454 <--> 10497 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Wayne... Is that the smoke in glass? Wanna trade for it? Soon as I get back from Abbott's and see your act... Msg #10497 Dated 17:08:58 07-28-91 10455 <--> 10499 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Is the "ME" in the title YOU? Msg #10498 Dated 17:09:01 07-28-91 10457 <--> 10524 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MAGIC VACATION Let us all know the sked and route... we could have a mini conventn. Msg #10499 Dated 17:09:05 07-28-91 10459 <--> 10502 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CONTEST.TXT Yeah, you stopped that message just in time. I was wondering what you used for a stick! And where... , oh never mind... === END OF MAGIC-41 ===
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