MAGIC! - 42
The following was compiled from the magician's message section of
MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! is an electronic communications system for
magicians. It may be accessed from any personal computer with a
modem by dialing US 818-896-7450. Access is free, except for
normal telephone company charges. New registrants must leave a
comment with their name, address, phone number and a brief resume
of their magic background to be considered for membership. The
material herein should be treated as confidentially as other
magic information. Copyright 1991 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved.
Msg #10500 Dated 17:09:10 07-28-91 -> 10542
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Gee, you must live about a half mile away then.
Msg #10501 Dated 17:09:13 07-28-91 -> 10859
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
What do Insects have to do with magic?
Msg #10502 Dated 17:09:17 07-28-91 -> 10503
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, DARYL was so ahead of them they had no idea what he had done.
I am not patting myself on the back, as I followed what he was
doing, altho I did NOT SEE THE MOMENT of the palm (a good performer
should never allow the moment of a secret move to be noticed).
Matter of fact many magicians think that ONLY THEY notice the moves.
But believe me, if an average magician sees it the laymen, if they
are interested enough to be watching see it too. They are usually
to polite to say anything.
Actually in DARYL's case, performance WAS NOT BEING JUDGED, only
the method as he entered in the "invention" category. Frankly I
think he only did this as a way to have his effects seen by a large
number of people, like a dealer demo...
Msg #10503 Dated 17:09:31 07-28-91 -> 10504
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I see you live in Redondo. I used to live in Hermosa on Gould
Terrace (just above where the railroad tracks used to run). You
should go visit the Comedy and Magic Club at 10th on Hermosa Ave.,
and ask for Mike Lacey, the boss. Tell him I sent you.
Msg #10504 Dated 17:09:37 07-28-91 -> 10506
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks Max. No, I didn't read the Cornelius msg as a put down at
all, but I think not of John as one that does parties or kid shows,
but creates magic and sells/performs to other magi (for the most
part). Will try a couple of other sources on MacAbee. Did you know
that John Mullholland's secretary used to wear a full set of silver
bracelet linking rings? I got a ton of material for my book from
Jay Marshall, anecdotes, happenings, ideas, etc. Now all I have to
do is integrate them into the material I had already done.
Msg #10505 Dated 17:09:48 07-28-91 -> 10512
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
I forget what the question was? ARgh...
Msg #10506 Dated 17:09:51 07-28-91 -> 10507
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
NO, if he challenges you to catch him and you do, you should be
able to NOTIFY HIM IMMEDIATELY, right?
Msg #10507 Dated 17:47:20 07-28-91 -> 10508
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks Wayne. Actually, I eschew new looking stuff since it doesn't
fit my old looking image. The case in question used to embarrasss me
when it was new. It is a finely crafted Aussie made case. I do
appreciate the thought more than I can say, and the spirit of which
I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT.
Msg #10508 Dated 17:47:27 07-28-91 -> 10509
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I predict a world class event which may help pull Magic into the
21st Century.
Msg #10509 Dated 17:47:31 07-28-91 -> 10510
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't they teach "reading for understanding" in the schools anymore?
Msg #10510 Dated 17:47:35 07-28-91 -> 10515
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks, Tommy. Your reputation as a nice guy is deserved.
Msg #10511 Dated 17:47:39 07-28-91 -> 10514
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Thanks for checking.
Msg #10512 Dated 17:47:42 07-28-91 -> 10544
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
No doubt it will be a REAL BOOK.
Msg #10514 Dated 17:47:57 07-28-91 -> 10520
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
I'll be glad to send them out when I have a chance to locate them
and will also include JA address at that time.
Msg #10515 Dated 18:01:57 07-28-91 -> 10516
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Again, evidence of the magi's left foot in the con artist's ight
shoe.
Msg #10516 Dated 18:02:01 07-28-91 -> 10518
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'd like to have seen that one. Sitting at a table with a guy who's
coat does a seeming spontaneous combustion would have to be right up
there in story telling rights. Say, I was wondering if you have a
copy of that great photo of you that was in the Genii a few years
back. You had on a tie about a mile wide and a hold out strapped to y
our arm. Looked like with a wide angle lens. A great shot. Do you
know the one I mean. I'd love to add that one to my wall of shame
with some of these other cool cats.
Msg #10518 Dated 18:02:17 07-28-91 -> 10519
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It was a 2x4 and I figured that since it was an old joke, somebody
on here might remember it. Was just too painful to recall.
Msg #10519 Dated 18:15:32 07-28-91 10503 <--> 10521
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
We go to the Comedy & Magic club every so often - not often enough. I
used to work at the accounting firm that took care of Harry Anderson &
Jay Johnson - they used to get us in quite often. It's a great place.
Thanks for the _in_! Not enough magic acts, though. (Missed Goldfinger
& Dove there last weekend)
Msg #10520 Dated 18:18:19 07-28-91 10514 <--> 10549
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Thanks a lot!
Msg #10521 Dated 18:29:31 07-28-91 -> 10522
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, that's the smoke in a brandy snifter effect. Visually powerful.
If I haven't sold it by then, Pete, the first trade offer is yours.
'W.
Msg #10522 Dated 18:30:33 07-28-91 -> 10523
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No, silly. The "ME" in the title is Priscilla.
'W.
Msg #10523 Dated 18:31:58 07-28-91 10507 <--> 10525
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I may not always be right, but I am NEVER wrong!!!
(Smirk!)
'W.
Msg #10524 Dated 18:35:10 07-28-91 -> 10529
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
What a delight that would be!!!
'Wayne.
Msg #10525 Dated 19:01:55 07-28-91 -> 10526
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't breath up your sleeve -- the asbestos thing, you know.
Msg #10526 Dated 19:31:00 07-28-91 10506 <--> 10527
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I understand now. You would take the challenge to see a flash of the
thumbtip seriously and immediately get on the PA system if you see it!
Since I have the benefit of owning his lecture notes, I knew exactly
what he was doing and when he was doing it but I never did see a flash
of a thumbtip which is as it should be. He may have been using one of
your chrome plated models for all I know!
Msg #10527 Dated 19:36:38 07-28-91 10523 <--> 10528
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
V'been watching Big and Me in the shop and they ain't up to the part
where Joey E comes in yet. Will continue tomorrow night when the good
stuff happns.
Msg #10528 Dated 19:36:43 07-28-91 10525 <--> 10531
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I once knew a girl/guy that was so hot she/he had to wear asbestos
underwear!
Msg #10529 Dated 19:40:51 07-28-91 -> 10530
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Sounds great! I'll have to look on a map and see where Highway 49 is
as it sounds familiar but I don't remember it at the moment. Do you
have any favorite spots to stop at?
Msg #10530 Dated 19:44:05 07-28-91 -> 10543
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Figure out a time that you can make it anytime after this December.
It's best to avoid the touristy dates of 4th of July and Labor day for
maximum peace and quiet or it's best to make it on the 4th of July or
Labor day or Memorial day for maximum partying and hellraising!
Your choice! I have to make my vacation commitments at work for all of
1992 this December which is why I need to know your preference by then.
We'll keep in touch about it.
Msg #10531 Dated 20:03:04 07-28-91 -> 10532
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Sheesh! Give this guy a topic and he turns it into a commercial!
Actually, it sounds like a good deal on the Crystal Fantasy.
Msg #10532 Dated 20:05:47 07-28-91 -> 10533
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Life is competitive, Tabman. Even the gigs you get thru contacts mean
someone else didn't get the gig - just a variant on competition.
Thanks for the advice on knowing when to cut losses and walk away - The
Gambler is one of my favorite songs and, as you know, I have trouble
knowing when to "fold 'em."
Msg #10533 Dated 20:08:06 07-28-91 -> 10534
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Sounds painful, Tab. I like costume parties, especially those where
people actually get into the character they are portraying. For must
of us (Coathanger, the Emperor of Kraborg, and a few others excepted)
I think that there should be MORE fantasy in our lives. The coat and
tie world takes itself too seriously.
Msg #10534 Dated 20:10:15 07-28-91 -> 10535
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Please don't get me started on Eden (unless it's Barbara Eden). You
may recall our brief discussion at the Hotel de Carlo.
Msg #10535 Dated 20:14:20 07-28-91 -> 10536
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If you still have a copy, I'd like to see it. Interestingly, the only
reference to the word "magician" (rather than "magicians") appears in
Daniel - specifically verse 2:10.
Msg #10536 Dated 20:16:47 07-28-91 -> 10537
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Perhaps, but the jobs were offered by Nabisco to support a promotion
for Oreo.
Msg #10537 Dated 20:17:50 07-28-91 -> 10538
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
True, but it does make for a messy thumb tip. Now that you mentioned
it, I don't think I'll ever borrow someone else's thumb tip.
Msg #10538 Dated 20:18:44 07-28-91 -> 10541
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Arrange trip via Hawaii and Tahiti - sounds good to me! If I'm the one
left behind, just make sure I have a laptop and a satellite dish.
Msg #10540 Dated 20:26:57 07-28-91 -> 10595
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NI GNIKCEHC
Well, you already know about my 11-foot faxes, so I can't do that one
too you. And the one with the "out of paper" stripe is, I believe, in
the book. So, let's see what I can come up with...
Msg #10541 Dated 20:29:22 07-28-91 10531 <--> 10548
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My profession sneaks in at the least expected but most opportune times!
'W.
Msg #10542 Dated 20:30:00 07-28-91 -> 10994
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
We can track them if they say that they saw the flyer. Will try to
keep track and let you know.
Msg #10543 Dated 20:30:41 07-28-91 10529 <--> 10555
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
I'll have to get back to you on that one, Stan.
We'll be touring south on Highway 49 through all the old gold rush
towns.
'W.
Msg #10544 Dated 20:32:14 07-28-91 10505 <--> 10560
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Evan's comment was in message #10219. He was attempting to connect the
data on the percentage of dead skin follicles in dust to magic.
Msg #10547 Dated 20:53:04 07-28-91
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: TOPIT
Thanks very much for the reply. Trust you and Hannah enjoyed a
successful trip at F.I.S.M., in spite of the lack of PAL version tapes.
I was fortunate enough to do a little consulting work for a appliance
manufacturer just outside of Bologna last October and Ev and I enjoyed
that part of Italy immensely, especially the food! It was the second
method in phase two of the "Coins thru Silk" that was giving me some
trouble, but I believe I have it licked now. Should you run across that
Magic tailor's name in San Diego, would greatly appreciate receiving
it. Very best regards.
Msg #10548 Dated 21:38:23 07-28-91 10507 <--> 10550
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You can always let the dogs play with the new case for about 30
seconds... that will give it the well worn look. (They could even
do that to an aluminum Halliburton!!!)
.
For those of you that don't know, the first time Tabman drove ME
onto his property he said, "You better stay in the car awhile (as
he got out) to let them get used to your scent!" As I sat there
surrounded by six huge dogs, all over 100 lbs... sniffin' and
snortin' -- then after about 15 minutes I said to myself, "Hey
dummy, you're a dog person.. they won't hurt you" so I flung the
door open and leaped out... after about 40 licks and leaps... all
was good. I lived to tell the story. (I think)!
Msg #10549 Dated 21:38:38 07-28-91 10514 <--> 10588
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Andrus address I don't have, but phone nr is 503-928-8295. Do you
know Andrus once set a full book in type and printed ONE COPY to
Lloyd Jones as a long letter. And he built, from scratch, his own
version of a typewriter.
Msg #10550 Dated 21:38:45 07-28-91 10516 <--> 10551
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Methinks I still have some copies of that print. If I find one,
you got it... Is it For Coathanger Wilson?
Msg #10551 Dated 21:38:50 07-28-91 10519 <--> 10552
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Mike would book more magic acts, if there were enough good un's.
He is fussy and standard stuff don't cut it!!!! Jade is due to work
there soon. AS soon as she gets back from the St. Louis show she
is doing, I will find out her schedule for Hermosa.
Msg #10552 Dated 21:38:57 07-28-91 10521 <--> 10553
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Sold it by when? I have some great slate stuff to swap! Tease...
Msg #10553 Dated 21:39:01 07-28-91 10522 <--> 10554
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You should have lied then I might watch it. When is your segment?
Msg #10554 Dated 21:39:05 07-28-91 10523 <--> 10557
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No, that quote is not attributed to Smirk, but Orben. I use it alla
time.
Msg #10555 Dated 21:39:10 07-28-91 10529 <--> 10556
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Hiway 49 is along the route where Gold was invented! I think it
is Placerville where you MUST stop and have Hangtown Fry for
Breakfast or lunch. And in Georgetown there is a building with
a bronze placard stating something about a guy named Donkey "DICK"
Keefer, head of the early E. Clampus Vitus outfit. They are really
nutcase characters. Noticable by their red shirts (representing
the blood of dead miners) and black vests (in mourning). They were
formed to help widows and orphans of those killed in the mines.
There are some hot antique dealers on 49. Wish I could go up
there every week or so... but present car has bad transmission and
I don't have the $1000 to fix it right now.
Msg #10556 Dated 21:39:23 07-28-91 10530 <--> 10612
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Don't plan AROUND MOI... I am on and off and travel unexpectedly
alla time on biz...
Msg #10557 Dated 21:39:27 07-28-91 10532 <--> 10558
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You should never fold em. Crimp em maybe... then you have an edge.
Msg #10558 Dated 21:39:31 07-28-91 10537 <--> 10559
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Borrowed thumb tips should be fitted with a condom. Or at least
you should wear rubber gloves... har... Last time I had a dentist
work on me I thought the guy was dressing for Nuclear work!
Msg #10559 Dated 21:39:36 07-28-91 10538 <--> 10562
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The only Dish you will get is filled with Pasta -- NO CRAB CAKES.
Msg #10560 Dated 21:39:40 07-28-91 10544 <--> 10565
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
When my act dies the follicles take over.
Msg #10562 Dated 21:46:43 07-28-91 10557 <--> 10563
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Believe me, there ARE times to fold 'em. This one's already been so
crimped there is no way the deck is honest. What I hate is that it is
probably gonna cost me in laywer time just to fold 'em. (Lest you
worry about either MAGIC! or my 23-year relationship with my spouse, it
ain't either - it is a business deal that went sour a couple of years
ago).
Msg #10563 Dated 21:48:57 07-28-91 10558 <--> 10564
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
He probably was - he'd already X-Rayed 'em, right? Last time I was at
the dentist he did a full set of X-Rays 'cause the insurance co.
requires them! Then he has to X-Ray every time he does something so
they can see it has been done. Great - now I glow in the dark.
Msg #10564 Dated 21:50:34 07-28-91 10559 <--> 10575
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I understand the no crab cakes in Hawaii or Tahiti - just, please, NO
POI. Actually, the last couple of days have been gastronomically
intense - Friday night, Pepperoni/sausage/anchovie/onion pizza;
Saturday night, Mussaka, Feta Cheese, Humos, and a few things I can't
even spell; Tonite: Japanese food. Sheesh, but I gotta quit performing
for the UN.
Msg #10565 Dated 21:54:04 07-28-91 10560 <--> 10629
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Sounds like you have a pretty hairy act! I can do Hairy Monster from
Sesame Street without a costume.
Msg #10575 Dated 22:14:02 07-28-91 -> 10577
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
For example the Van Cliburn piano competions, the Tcychosky (spelling
?) competion, etc. Certainly classical music is considered an art
form. The primary reason for the competition is for unknown performer
s to get known and thus get bookings. Its a short cut to the big $
and recording contracts etc.
.
Isn't it also true of magic contests. I know Johnnie Ace's income
certainly went up, since he won FISM.
.
Just as in music, there are artists who choose not to compete and
prefer to build their craft through other avenues, the same holds tru
e for magic.
Msg #10577 Dated 22:14:29 07-28-91 -> 10579
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
See my comment to David re classical music competitons. There is a
specific set of music to choose from. This way the judges are all
quite familiar with the base and can then more aptly judge to subtle
technique, and artistic form provided BY EACH CONTESTANT.
.
If in a contest there were a set of standard effects that one could
choose to perform, then you would have a basis for comparison. The
really creative types would certainly add their own unique touches.
It seems to be the only reason to have a set of compulsaries is to
put every one on an equal footing as far as material is concerned. In
this way the personal bias of the judge would not be a factor, and
they would in a way be comparing apples to apples rather than cumquat
s or watermelons. In the original idea the contest would have 2 parts
compulsaries and open. It's during the open phase that a person could
do the unique and inventive stuff and if they also showed this same
ability in the compulsaries, then they would be the winner.
.
I remember years ago seeing a talent show at a movie theatre at inter
mission. There was this kid who played an incredible trumpet solo (I
being a trumpet player at the time, thought he was clearly the best).
The bimbo that won was a baton twirler that was hanging out of her
minimal costume. The judges clearly thought she had more (different ?
) talent than the truly gifted musician. My point is that most contes
ts don't measure anything unless there is some structure or criteria
upon which to judge !
.
And finally, of course magic is not a sport, I merely used the analog
y to try to make a point. Perhaps the classical music competition, is
more apropos.
Msg #10579 Dated 22:15:12 07-28-91 -> 10581
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Maybe they are so starved for corporate attention, they thought it
would do them some good ? ---- Naaahhhh !
.
Tommy Garbin is doing it out in the Riverside area and seems to think
its really great. I always thought he was better than that, but I
guess it pays the bills - maybe he likes cookies ?
Msg #10581 Dated 22:15:36 07-28-91 -> 10582
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Frank Morgan, it's all his fault ! The New Agers have figured out
new ways to keep their natives in line. Have been digging in - really
wierd stuff, I have a lot less problems with these types believing
what I do is really magic, they accept it as a given.
Msg #10582 Dated 22:15:46 07-28-91 -> 10583
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually it's a crumbie job inside the suit - yuk, yuk.
Msg #10583 Dated 22:15:53 07-28-91 -> 10584
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If you want to vanish lit cigs get the metal type with the mesh sides
that have three prongs inside. You can disappear a cig and go back
several minutes later pull it out and instantly produce a lit cig. I
never leave home with out it.
.
Stick to fake cigs with the plastic version.
Msg #10584 Dated 22:16:05 07-28-91 -> 10585
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Jeez David, I think the tobacco argument was more fun. Promise to
only have this discussion on Fri (islam), Sat (judaism), or Sun (Chri
stian).
Msg #10585 Dated 22:16:13 07-28-91 -> 10586
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If the booker never heard of it that's even better. Imagine, I'm
getting the winner of the International Brotherhood of Magicians to
work my kids birthday party - gee he must be really special and
worth more than the clown in the yellow pages.
.
John probably got the gig BECAUSE he was a contest winner.
Msg #10586 Dated 22:16:24 07-28-91 -> 10587
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I use the pull pinned to the MIDDLE of the back of my jacket near
the collar. The vanish goes inside the coat on the right side and I
can then retrieve it WITH EITHER hand by merely reaching into the
back of the coat through the center vent - its hanging right there
ready to be produced at will.
.
Hard to retrieve if you send it up your sleeve - messy too as you
may have smoke coming out of your sleeve, whereas with it in back of
the jacket no one sees it.
Msg #10587 Dated 22:16:39 07-28-91 -> 10592
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I've started my MAGIC-club account in anticipation of such an event.
Have always wanted to go to Japan, and this seems like the perfect
excuse. Sign me up.
Msg #10588 Dated 22:16:49 07-28-91 -> 10599
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
The latest was when I started to practice the Burger quarter crimped
card cut. I would cut very naturally and then sneak a peek to see
if I got right - and damn I did almost every time. I was really
fooled, it felt like I was just cutting naturally, no moves or
hesitation at all. It's an incredible utility move for a card klutz
like me.
Msg #10589 Dated 22:16:57 07-28-91 10456 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE
Re: I'M BACK
Welcome back. To speed your catch up process I suggest you download
RDMAGIC.ZIP (the program I mentioned the other night at the castle).
Maybe you can give some input on the MAGIC trading card idea that
was mentioned here a while back, since you have some knowledge of the
business.
Msg #10591 Dated 22:17:06 07-28-91 -> 10606
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I've got a place up in Lake Arrowhead and mentioned we might be able
to get up there on your next visit. It's a 3br just above the golf
course, not far from the lake. Maybe even get a few MAGIC!ers
together for a session.
Msg #10592 Dated 23:09:58 07-28-91 10532 <--> 10593
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, you're right. Life is competetive, but if you have something
unique (and there is such a thing) then the only real competition
you have is yourself. I used to go for the throat and scored that
way but I started not liking myself so much, plus there are the laws
of karma you know.
Msg #10593 Dated 23:10:05 07-28-91 10534 <--> 10597
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Ok, Ok; I won't.
Msg #10595 Dated 23:10:12 07-28-91 10540 <--> 10631
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NI GNIKCEHC
I just turned my fax machine off for the next month.
Msg #10597 Dated 23:10:21 07-28-91 10548 <--> 10600
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The dogs (especially Spot, Curley and Cowboy Pete) keep asking me
"Where's Pete?". They could trash a Patton Tank in an hour.
Msg #10598 Dated 23:05:44 07-28-91 -> 10660
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Hi Cindy and welcome aboard to MAGIC! Sorry it's taken me a day or two
to respond but I've been away for my 15 Year High School Reunion.
Anyway, H&R doesn't have a copy of Jerry Andrus's _Safety Pin Trix_ in
stock right now. But you can probably get it from him at 1638 East
Frist Ave.,Albany,OR,97321. Don't know if anyone else has given you
this information yet or not, but hope it helps. (I been so busy lately
I'm about 700 messages behind).
Speaking of messages, when you asked for card sleight references, Max
was probably too modest to mention his own recent book _Focus_ which is
an excellent card book. In addition it does contain descriptions for
many of the standard, and not-so-standard, moves.
Charlie
Msg #10599 Dated 23:10:26 07-28-91 10549 <--> 10626
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
I heard about the typewriter building incident but didn't know about
the book letter. That's a great idea!
Msg #10600 Dated 23:10:32 07-28-91 10550 <--> 10601
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
That would be good to get that photo. It's a great shot. The epitomy
of epitomy.
Msg #10601 Dated 23:10:36 07-28-91 10557 <--> 10602
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
A little daub'll do ya.
Msg #10602 Dated 23:10:40 07-28-91 10581 <--> 10603
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I told a person once I could see her aura, and that it turned red
when she lied. Actually, I read her mail.
Msg #10603 Dated 23:10:44 07-28-91 10582 <--> 10604
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
And just when I thought you were serious alla time.
Msg #10604 Dated 23:10:48 07-28-91 10584 <--> 10605
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Four days a week for real magic ain't so bad.
Msg #10605 Dated 23:10:51 07-28-91 10586 <--> 10609
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think that's the best spot for the pull too. At least it works
for me. After having a cig pull hang up on my Levi jacket sleeve
buttons and embarrass heck outa me, I made the change.
Msg #10606 Dated 23:10:56 07-28-91 10591 <--> 10627
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Between you, Pete and Dave I'm getting California fever worse than
ever.
Msg #10607 Dated 23:10:32 07-28-91 -> 10613
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: JERRY ANDRUS
Wayne, got a nice little note back from Jerry from my sending him a
copy of his Best of Magic performance. He says hi and that he really
enjoyed our visit.
Charlie
Msg #10609 Dated 23:40:05 07-28-91 10552 <--> 10610
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If I haven't sold it by the time you get back from Colon and figger out
whatcha are willing to trade!
'W.
Msg #10610 Dated 23:41:09 07-28-91 10553 <--> 10611
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm all through the damn thing in little bits & pieces.
'W.
Msg #10611 Dated 23:41:46 07-28-91 10554 <--> 10617
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Orben got it from Smirk who got it from Smirnoff!
'W.
Msg #10612 Dated 23:45:50 07-28-91 10555 <--> 10625
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
By Labor Day weekend.
'W.
Msg #10613 Dated 23:47:13 07-28-91 10607 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: JERRY ANDRUS
Great to hear, Charlie. I had a wonderful time and am looking forward
to the next occasion we can pull an "all-nighter!"
'W.
Msg #10617 Dated 0:24:57 07-29-91 10528 <--> 10618
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Oh dear.
Msg #10618 Dated 0:26:57 07-29-91 10534 <--> 10619
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
When I was young, and I saw Ms. Eden on the tele, she created whaty
must be honestly described as a magical feeling -- at the time. By
the time of "Harper Valley, P.T.A.," this magical effect has passed.
Msg #10619 Dated 0:29:06 07-29-91 10535 <--> 10620
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Copy? Are you kidding? All were burned in the synagogue revolt...
Actually the speech was based around the Book of Daniel. In Will
Dexter's "This is Magic," he made much of the mention of Daniel and the
magicians... Then, when I went to the text to find the story, I could
not. To this day, I do not have any idea how I managed to so
thoroughly mistake what Dexter was talking about. One day I should
crack open the book and see if I read him wrong, or he was wrong!
Msg #10620 Dated 0:30:59 07-29-91 10537 <--> 10621
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Certainly never drink out of anyone else's TT.
Msg #10621 Dated 0:31:37 07-29-91 10548 <--> 10622
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Rumor has it that you only lived because the dogs' appetite had been
recently sated by the previous visitor.
Msg #10622 Dated 0:33:10 07-29-91 10558 <--> 10623
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The University of Texas has a joint degree program, you go for six
years of graduate work, and you earn a D.D.S. in dentistry, and a B.S.
in nuclear engineering.
As far as the quality of the program, I've heard nothing but glowing
reviews.
Msg #10623 Dated 0:35:49 07-29-91 10577 <--> 10624
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think that with such a system, you are encouraging a certain type of
magic -- and sacrificing the groundbreaking, creative elements.
Perhaps not sacrificing them as much as de-emphasizing them.
The classical metahpor is apt, but not in the way you intended.
The composition of new classical music is all but a dead art form. The
re are such composers working today, and for all I know there work is
brilliant, but because of the structure of the classical music world,
all the energy and money is spent on reinterpreations and
re-performances of the "classics."
My value judgement, and that's all it is, is that if we're ongto
have competitions, (and I agree that they are, in one form or another,
inevitable), that they enocourage, reward, and explore creativitiy --
the better for the health of our art.
If there is room for the suggested, all do the same effect competition,
it is as a sideshow, a place where the finger-flingers can grease their
knuckles, and where performers who revise, rather than create, can show
off their revision skills... I realize there is a tiny difference
between revising an old idea/effect/concept, and creating a new one.
However, the difference is a concrete one, and we should be encouraging
creativity on that side of the line.
Msg #10624 Dated 0:41:18 07-29-91 10584 <--> 10628
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
"Do not take my name in vain."
-important excerpt from 10 commandments
Msg #10625 Dated 0:43:54 07-29-91 10543 <--> 10754
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Cool...
Msg #10626 Dated 0:46:35 07-29-91 10588 <--> 10639
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Where is said move detailed?
Msg #10627 Dated 0:47:21 07-29-91 10606 <--> 10656
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I, for one, look forward to your next trip very much.
Msg #10628 Dated 0:48:42 07-29-91 10527 <--> 10633
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Read this message out of context -- as if you knew nothing about the
topic being discussed, or the thread under discussion. It sounds like
code!
Msg #10629 Dated 0:49:21 07-29-91 10560 <--> 10702
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Can we lay off discussing follicles? It makes me worry, and when I
worry, my hair falls out.
Msg #10631 Dated 1:24:59 07-29-91 -> 10632
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NI GNIKCEHC
Hope you can stay with us for a day or two when you get out here. We
are a ways from the center of the action, but a good jumping off place
for LV.
Msg #10632 Dated 1:29:59 07-29-91 -> 10657
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NI GNIKCEHC
s'poO
Msg #10633 Dated 1:41:05 07-29-91 -> 10634
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Understandable; if you want to sell your product, you usually do it by,
among other things, putting down the other guy -- or diety, as the case
may be.
Msg #10634 Dated 1:42:34 07-29-91 -> 10635
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
They might well have called their demo people "magicians" -- but at the
very least they wouldn't be legitimized by being connected with a magic
organization -- whatever legitimacy that may give.
Msg #10635 Dated 1:44:00 07-29-91 -> 10636
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In surgery there was a reason for it then -- the faster you took off a
leg or arm, the more likely the patient was to survive. One famous
surgeon was known to take off legs in less than 30 seconds; makes Ammar
doing Rollover Aces seem positively benign.
Msg #10636 Dated 1:49:45 07-29-91 -> 10637
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In my opinion the winning of a magic contest at a magician's convention
is no credential at all. I can't imagine anyone in the business
atttaching any importance to it whatever. As a hook for promotion --
fine; as a gauge of competency -- zero.
Msg #10637 Dated 1:51:58 07-29-91 -> 10638
From: T A WATERS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Dorothy Parker had a pet parakeet she named Onan because it kept
spilling its seed.
Msg #10638 Dated 1:55:13 07-29-91 -> 10655
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Uh, well, one indication of talent might be refusing to take part in
such a show...:)
Msg #10639 Dated 2:13:39 07-29-91 10520 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Hollywood Magic does have the Andrus Linking Pin book in stock.
Msg #10640 Dated 6:45:44 07-29-91 -> 10646
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTESTS
I personally dislike contests very much. However, speaking from an
organizational viewpoint I feel they are of value in that they offer
a forum in which performers can display their acts. While I.B.M.
offers a chance for exposure, the DMS contests with the Vegas site
offer exposure of potential great value. A largely underutilized
benefit of contests could be the opportunity for expert critique of
developing acts. I have tried to advance the idea of videotaping
contest acts for review by a panel of recognized experts. The
contestant could either sit in on the review of their act or get a
taped or written citique. While such a review done within the con-
text of judging would offer savings of time and effort, I feel that
it might better be done outside the judging to permit as much
flexibility as possible. In fact, such tapings could be done without
having any contest at all. However, within a convention it would
probably be necessary to offer the performances within the structure
of an event of some sort. These things offer value. However, I very
much agree with you in disliking the competitive aspects of contests.
Msg #10643 Dated 6:47:18 07-29-91 -> 10980
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH!!!
I can't read very well either, so it probably wouldn't do any good to
re read (sic) it for grammaticalness (sic).
Msg #10644 Dated 6:47:26 07-29-91 -> 10645
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Don't forget the dealers and the auto mechanics!
Msg #10645 Dated 6:47:32 07-29-91 -> 10647
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
I certainly won't quibble that Mexican is better than Tex-Mex, but
when you don't have the alternative Tex - Mex is better than No Mex,
and there is certainly some Tex-Mex that I like!
Msg #10646 Dated 6:47:42 07-29-91 -> 10707
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Maybe we could just make it kinda like the the S.A.T.s with an all
day written exam!
Msg #10647 Dated 6:47:51 07-29-91 -> 10649
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
What is the deal that ARGH is offering?
Msg #10648 Dated 6:47:56 07-29-91 -> 10985
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TROPHY
Somehow I don't think that will ever be quite the hit that "...left
my heart in SF" was.
Msg #10649 Dated 6:48:04 07-29-91 -> 10706
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MESSAGES
I shall be anticipating news of the great event.
Msg #10651 Dated 6:48:28 07-29-91 -> 10652
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
I called it IMP because I am lazy...I have the latest of the RDMAGICs
that you have in the DL file (I think it is the 6/26 version). I
have responsed to a couple of private messages from Pete and Tabby so
I hope the responses will be private as well.
Msg #10652 Dated 6:48:41 07-29-91 -> 10675
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
I thought the "No Private Messages" statement arose from civil suites
against Sysops whom the users apparently did not know could read all
messages (so they said) and is intended to convey the fact that there
are in fact no totally private messages on a BBS.
Msg #10653 Dated 6:48:54 07-29-91 -> 10677
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EGADS!
Ye Gads! ...and you thought World Peace and international phone
bills were impacted by VMI and SLC!!
Msg #10655 Dated 7:20:50 07-29-91 10623 <--> 10659
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In your reference to classical music's new writers not getting the
chance, etc and the orch all playing the old stuff - consider this -
they don't have to pay writers royalties on the old stuff.
Msg #10656 Dated 7:20:55 07-29-91 10627 <--> 10670
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Thanks Evan, likewise.
Msg #10657 Dated 7:20:58 07-29-91 10631 <--> 10671
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: NI GNIKCEHC
Thanks Burt, appreciate the offer.
Msg #10659 Dated 8:06:29 07-29-91 10536 <--> 10661
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Details, details...
Msg #10660 Dated 8:07:22 07-29-91 10598 <--> 10711
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Thanks for the address! None of the dealers (Tannen's, Stevens,etc)
seem to even know he wrote a book!
Msg #10661 Dated 8:06:29 07-29-91 10575 <--> 10662
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I agree completely. And I think that magic is broad enough to
accomodate different expressions of the art form. We are able to point
to those whose talent has been recognized through contests as well as
those who have chosen not to.
Msg #10662 Dated 8:12:10 07-29-91 10584 <--> 10663
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm hoping to avoid discussion on this topic as well. I was merely
clarifying a reference.
Msg #10663 Dated 8:14:25 07-29-91 10592 <--> 10664
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Agreed that the main competition is with one's self. As to going "for
the throat," I am not advocating anything unethical. Competition is a
part of the human approach, but that does not mean that it cannot be
conducted in an enlightened manner.
Msg #10664 Dated 8:21:08 07-29-91 10619 <--> 10665
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It's funny, I don't recall my speach at all and probably don't have a
copy around. And, at the time, I didn't think to bring a wire
recorder.
Msg #10665 Dated 8:25:27 07-29-91 10633 <--> 10666
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I find it interesting that despite such intentions (making one's own
religion dominant) there are vestigial forms that remain. It is my
understanding that December 25th, for example, was overlaid with
Christmas largely because the Christians could not get rid of the
celebrations on that date.
Halloween has successfully survived a couple of thousand years of
attempted repression even though the former celebrants were completely
eliminated. Sadly enough, it may be our own secular culture that
finally does it in.
Msg #10666 Dated 8:30:50 07-29-91 10634 <--> 10667
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
And the public would never have known the difference. I think it
provided a "legitimate" opportunity for a large group of young
magicians. Guess we won't convert each other on this topic.
Msg #10667 Dated 8:32:27 07-29-91 10635 <--> 10668
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Nonetheless, it (surgeon's competitions) was still a way to select "the
best." I hope you weren't suggesting time trials for magicians.
Msg #10668 Dated 8:36:41 07-29-91 10659 <--> 10680
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Guess I shouldn't call you "Cookie," huh?
Msg #10669 Dated 8:33:30 07-29-91 -> 10678
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
You make a good point Wayne. I checked with Joe Selph on how many
spaces were available and he told me maximum of 100. The room that we
will be in at UCLA is a choir room so seating is in a half round
configuration and stair stepped so you can see good from just about
anywhere. The room is the same room the Johnny Ace Palmer lectured in
on THE-DAY-MAGIC if that helps. Joe told me to tell you that it will be
kind of like being at the Parlour at the Castle but with better
visibility. Hope this helps.
Msg #10670 Dated 8:38:20 07-29-91 10606 <--> 10681
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
OK, here's the cure - at least as far as Southern California is
concerned - summer is our most miserable season. It is HOT (can be up
to 114 degrees F), it is smoggy (we have "health warnings," stage 1
alerts, stage 2 alerts, and stage 3 alerts), and it is full of
tourists, many of whom only Max can communicate with.
If I had complete freedom of choice, I wouldn't be here in the Summer.
Msg #10671 Dated 8:42:26 07-29-91 10595 <--> 10682
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NI GNIKCEHC
Right now my fax machine is down. The new fax is part of the 386 I'm
building and I haven't cranked up the software yet.
Msg #10675 Dated 9:00:22 07-29-91 10651 <--> 10676
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
So far, so good. Personal messages seem to be remaining personal. Of
course, in these litigious times, I will point out that IMP/RDMAGIC is
not an ECA or MAGIC! product and that we take no reponsibility for its
performance. Also that there is a clear statement up front, every time
anyone signs on, indicating that there are no facilities for private
messages here on MAGIC!
Msg #10676 Dated 9:03:05 07-29-91 10652 <--> 10709
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
You are correct. And in any casual replies I have to be careful not to
modify or dilute the integrity of that statement.
Msg #10677 Dated 9:06:06 07-29-91 10653 <--> 10990
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: EGADS!
I felt the need to make my position clear. Now that it is out of the
way, the discussion of those topics should be minimal. Besides, you
asked!
Msg #10678 Dated 10:15:27 07-29-91 10669 <--> 10942
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Thanks for the info, Darrell. Now, at least, MAGIC! members can make
an informed decision as to whether or not they think the arrangement to
be "close-up" enough.
'W.
Msg #10680 Dated 10:23:06 07-29-91 10663 <--> 10683
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm not implying that "going for the throat" is unethical. It's just
part of my competative nature to do so when pressed. Machiavellian
policies, though well disguised, are the nature of the business world
at large. Laid back is better FOR ME.
Msg #10681 Dated 10:23:12 07-29-91 10670 <--> 10696
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I know you're right about the weather, etc, tourists, etc; BUT it
is the people who truly make a place happen. Why should I sit in
purgatory alone when I could join some friends in hell? I woke up
this morning and thought I was dead anyway. Fortunately, there
are the Bill Wells, Scotty Yorks, and Bob Sheets of the world who
live on this side of the shelf, but if pressed they might express
an interest in living elsewhere also. Quen Sabe?
Msg #10682 Dated 10:23:19 07-29-91 10671 <--> 10693
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NI GNIKCEHC
Good.
Msg #10683 Dated 10:38:40 07-29-91 10562 <--> 10684
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I knows whatcha mean. This divorce (a legal situation, right) has
throttle me beyond my imagination. I see no answer to keeping out
of going broke. I am starting to think I need to get a part time
job somewhere. Or maybe start charging money to do magic. Gad, I
don't want to return to that rat race!
Msg #10684 Dated 10:38:49 07-29-91 10563 <--> 10685
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You might like my recipe for Chicken Chernoble.
Msg #10685 Dated 10:38:54 07-29-91 10564 <--> 10687
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
POI ... THAT IS THE SHORT SPELLING OF POISON! (I just made that up)!
Msg #10687 Dated 10:39:06 07-29-91 10577 <--> 10688
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thass what I's been sayin' all along... two phase competitions.
Hey, I happen to know it is more difficult to twirl a baton and
stay in yu clothes than it is to blow air through a brass
contraption.
Msg #10688 Dated 10:39:14 07-29-91 10579 <--> 10689
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In today's economy, a job is a job is a job. I wish I had one!
Msg #10689 Dated 10:39:19 07-29-91 10583 <--> 10690
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If you don't smoke do the famed "Vanishing Biro" from Bob Ostin's
fine book. (Biro, the word, is the generic term in England for
a Ball Point Pen). Ostin makes a pull out of the pen cap. Sticks
the pen into the cap and voila... up the sleeve. NO ASBESTOS NEEDED.
Msg #10690 Dated 10:39:27 07-29-91 10584 <--> 10691
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
NICE to know Monday through Thursday is set aside for us Agnostics.
Msg #10691 Dated 10:39:32 07-29-91 10586 <--> 10692
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
And if they see smoke coming out from behind you, just tell 'em
it is GAS.
Msg #10692 Dated 10:39:38 07-29-91 10587 <--> 10694
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
ALL OF YOU THAT SAY, "SIGN ME UP" -- will have to repeat it when
I get the final itinerary together. You have plenty of time to save
as the FISM is 3 years away (21 dog years).
Msg #10693 Dated 10:39:44 07-29-91 10595 <--> 10719
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NI GNIKCEHC
Does that mean you FAX is still on for this month?
Msg #10694 Dated 10:39:48 07-29-91 10597 <--> 10695
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If Spot, Curley and Cowboy Pete would ask the Parrots they could
find out. Had a good chat with them birds!
Msg #10695 Dated 10:39:54 07-29-91 10605 <--> 10697
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I used to do Abbott's SQUASH... the vanish of a shot glass full of
liquid. It hung at the back of the coat and you could do a really
nice retrieve as you looked behind one knee, then found it behind
the other. The misdirection of going to the first knee is when the
free hand nabs the glass off the rubber ball. A definite Killer,
and -- I have been told -- THE ONE TRICK THAT 'MADE' the Abbott
Magic Co.
Msg #10696 Dated 10:40:05 07-29-91 10606 <--> 10717
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Take two aspirins, one plane ride and your Calli fever will be here.
Msg #10697 Dated 10:40:08 07-29-91 10609 <--> 10698
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I am still trying to find Abbott's. I have found the American
Legion Hall, but Abbott's seems to be unlisted!
Msg #10698 Dated 10:40:14 07-29-91 10610 <--> 10699
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You mean the killer on the tv news got to you?
Msg #10699 Dated 10:40:19 07-29-91 10621 <--> 10700
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah, Tab had a new hold on the golf course!
Msg #10700 Dated 10:40:24 07-29-91 10623 <--> 10701
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Creativity will never be throttled in those that think. The basic
idea for the Mandatory Section of the competition is to test the
level of skill. The OPEN section is to test the creativity. As it
is now there is no "test of creativity" as such. Some enter the
competitions with only the standard old stuff thinking it will do.
Msg #10701 Dated 10:40:32 07-29-91 10628 <--> 10703
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The problem I find with my interpretation of IMP! is that I often
do not know what the reference point to a message might be. On line
in real time, I can strike "B" and the message on the thread ahead
of the one I am reading magically appears.
.
Maybe there is a way to do that on IMP!, but my fumble mind has not
discovered that as yet. Will do some experimenting later.
Msg #10702 Dated 10:40:43 07-29-91 10629 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TOMMY WONDER
Your hair Follicles out?
Msg #10703 Dated 10:40:47 07-29-91 10636 <--> 10712
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I can attest to the fact that in the past (I can't vouch for Ace's
record) **IN EUROPE** the Grand Prix at the FISM was a SURE sign
of competence and a sure GAIN TO BOOKINGS AND BIGGER MONEY.
And, the word was that if the Russian, DANALIN, had not won, he
would have been shot upon arrival home !
Msg #10706 Dated 10:41:15 07-29-91 10645 <--> 10708
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MESSAGES
I don't matter what it is... magic, food, pets, if you like it, it
is good!
Msg #10707 Dated 10:41:20 07-29-91 10646 <--> 10977
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Geeez you hve hit it... a magic Trivia Quiz for the Desert Seminar.
Hold it during one of the social events or a bit done by an MC in
one show... have gag questions and gag prizes. Would be a great
filler!!!!!
Msg #10708 Dated 10:41:26 07-29-91 10647 <--> 10981
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MESSAGES
The ARGH tour to the next fism will be the most fun of all. I have
been appointed an official tour leader by the secretary of the
Japan Magic Assn.
Msg #10709 Dated 10:41:32 07-29-91 10651 <--> 10858
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
The private responses HAD BETTER BE. HOWEVER, Willyum, you can use
"E" instead of "R" and send a message private in the latest version
of IMP! You get a menu screen to insert name, subject and Private
or Public. I just got it a few days ago and they tell me it works.
Msg #10711 Dated 10:41:53 07-29-91 10660 <--> 10739
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
It depends on who you spoke with at the various dealers you mentijon
error, mention. Often you get a clerk that sells the joke stuff
when you call in. You need to get your basic information here on
MAGIC! then go for it.
Be careful when you buy the pins themselves as there are more
ripoff versions that even reprint Jerry's instructions.
.
You have gotten his address and phone number here online. If you
get in touch with him you will be delighted to find one of the
all time great people. I am sure he will be happy to supply you
with what he has. However some of his great stuff is out of print.
If you strike out, get in touch with me again and I can do some
more searching.
Msg #10712 Dated 10:54:53 07-29-91 10680 <--> 10713
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Zzzzzz... Huh! What'zat?... You woke me up to tell me that laid back
is OK??? Aw, man, lemme sleep.
Historically, Machiavelli has had a bum rap.
Magic is such a complex activity - creating, performing, booking, etc.
and it has a number of unique aspects, many of which have been defined
on here before. The role of magician only attracts certain types of
individuals. Is it possible that their negiotiating styles (their
forms of communication and their forms of competition) are unique?
Msg #10713 Dated 11:00:55 07-29-91 10683 <--> 10714
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think you might still be able to find a part-time job as an Oreo
cookie. I hate to even suggest it, but don't forget to explore the
option of going broke - it is very popular in our society. I've had a
business lawyer acquaintance tell me that "bankrupcy should be
considered as a strategic business tool."
Msg #10714 Dated 11:04:04 07-29-91 10684 <--> 10715
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Let me guess -- it's baked in clay, right?
Msg #10715 Dated 11:04:58 07-29-91 10685 <--> 10716
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, raw taro root (the source of poi) IS poisonous! It is only
if it is properly prepared that it is considered safe to eat. Those
who have not acquired the taste for it (a group that includes nearly
everybody except those who were raised on the stuff) tend to regard it
as poison anyway.
In a similar manner, I noticed something at the Greek resturant the
other day - the "house wine" was NOT Retsina.
One of the things that has always interested me, perhaps connected with
Shamanism, is the way that early cultures learned to take foods that,
in their raw or unprocessed state, were poisonous and to turn them into
edible items. Poi is an example, as are cashew nuts. The safe
preparation of some of these items and the use of some of them in
magical rites probably increased the power of the Shaman - very closely
related to contemporary "death defying" feats.
Msg #10716 Dated 11:17:10 07-29-91 10694 <--> 10721
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My neighbor reports that sometime last week I had NINE WILD PARROTS in
one of the trees in my back yard. They were described as large green
parrots. Sure wish I'd seen 'em.
Msg #10717 Dated 11:21:30 07-29-91 10681 <--> 10720
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
My mother used to say that she checked the obits every morning to make
sure she wasn't dead. If you've got the fever that bad, and you can't
fight it, do it. We got room for one Tabman and one Gloria in the
house and we got space in the garage for a temporary Tabman Table
factory. You'll have to bring any necessary tools as all of mine are
pretty crude. There is, however, plenty of prime Black Widow spider
web around for final polishing.
Msg #10719 Dated 12:50:24 07-29-91 10693 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NI GNIKCEHC
YES!
Msg #10720 Dated 12:50:27 07-29-91 10696 <--> 10723
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Am going to soon.
Msg #10721 Dated 12:50:30 07-29-91 10712 <--> 10722
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Well, we can't all be MICHAEL AMMAR.
Msg #10722 Dated 12:50:00 07-29-91 10655 <--> 10724
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Having lived through the last Writer's Guild strike, I cannot ignore
this as possibly THE major reason for classical music being where it is
today.
Msg #10723 Dated 12:50:34 07-29-91 10717 <--> 10725
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
In 1982 just as I was packing my stuff to head from Texas to LA the
phone rang and it was Buck Buckles offering me a gig in Nashville.
It just hasn't been that easy. Next move I make is gonna be the last.
I have to have a couple acres anyway just so I can drive Curley aroun
the house when I want. I don't know anymore. Am waiting out the
deal on the spring water. Perrier American sez yes they'll do it. The
meeting in France is today and tomorrow and the dude getz back on
the Concorde wednesday. It's been years of mostly talk and wait.
here I wait with Antique oil on me hands as I am in the shop finishin
four tables for JB. Thanks JB. Later Dude...
Msg #10724 Dated 12:51:32 07-29-91 10664 <--> 10726
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What speech?
Msg #10725 Dated 13:35:01 07-29-91 10723 <--> 10731
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Guess there's lotsa tension over whats going on at that meeting in
France. Lemme know when you know, OK?
If you gonna move to Ca., you're gonna have to pick the right site.
Stuff right in town ain't no good. Like your idea of the mountains -
we'll have to see what's there.
Msg #10726 Dated 13:37:52 07-29-91 10721 <--> 10727
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Nah, guess we can't - the Social Security Administration would go too
nuts.
Msg #10727 Dated 13:39:41 07-29-91 10697 <--> 10728
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Go and hang out at the American Legion Hall and, when you find anyone
sober enough to enunciate, ask them directions to Abbott's.
'W.
Msg #10728 Dated 13:40:51 07-29-91 10698 <--> 10729
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No, but I think he's the same guy I hired to "take care of" my
magno-crazed chop cup!!! The M.O. is definately similar!!!
'W.
Msg #10729 Dated 13:54:24 07-29-91 10700 <--> 10730
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My questions is: How do you combine the two? My point is that you're
measuring two totally diff. things. I guess you could score separately
and combine for the champ...
Msg #10730 Dated 13:56:16 07-29-91 10715 <--> 10735
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes -- the actual PROCESS of trial and error in making these foods safe
is definitely not something you could do today!
Msg #10731 Dated 13:58:15 07-29-91 10725 <--> 10733
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Perrier-American? Are we to understand there's bottle-able spring
water on your property?
Msg #10733 Dated 14:52:39 07-29-91 10725 <--> 10734
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I'm not a town boy though I love LA and have been coming out since
I was in the movies a decade ago. I almost moved to newport beach in
1982 but since have become more immersed in country living. Two years
ago we almost bought a small ranch in the Santa Rosa area up on
Clear Lake. Also investigated Maui but cost too much bux. You know
my main thing is hanging out with the boys and having laughs and
stimulating conversation and work. I can do what I do from anywhere
there is a phone, electricity, etc. Am in limbo for a few more days
at least.
Msg #10734 Dated 14:52:48 07-29-91 10731 <--> 10736
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
kraborg is the site of the 2nd hospitol in eng colonies here because
of the Coole Springs and healing MUD. I formed a corp five years ago
Coole Springs of maryland Water Bottling Co. Inc of which I am the
pres, my partner in music biz the vp, my mom tres and Glo sec. We
have had interest from several comps but Perrier has almost made the
big jump having gone so far as design bottle, etc. We'll have to see
what happens. It's been a long drawn out process and a lonely and
frustrating experience. Much of life has passed me by over past few
and we've been plagued by problems of living in a 200+ year old house
like NO HEAT last winter and it's coming at us again. Ask pete and
dave what it's like to take a shower here. Brrrr. If it hadn't been
for magic and my friends on MAGIC! I'd have gone completely nuts.
Having this link to all you guys here has given me much to look
4ward to. We're now totally against the wall and if the springs don't
work out we'll have to sell out. At any rate, whatever transpires
will be a positive thing.
Msg #10735 Dated 15:11:31 07-29-91 10730 <--> 10738
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Really? I thought it was done all the time - certain non-sugar
sweetners and no-fat fats being the prime examples.
Msg #10736 Dated 15:12:35 07-29-91 10733 <--> 10744
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
We is hangin' in with you, Tab. Have you considered the alternative of
selling the mud to Revlon?
Msg #10738 Dated 15:18:35 07-29-91 10668 <--> 10740
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Maybe not in this life. Check me in the next, though.
Msg #10739 Dated 15:19:34 07-29-91 10711 <--> 10747
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
You've been agreat help! By the way, after I got T A Waters message I
called Hollywood Magic again. On saturday, they said they had never
heard of Jerry Andrus nor did they know of any books he'd written.
Today, they were more than gracious and said that, indeed, they did
have _Linking Pin Trix_! Go figure!
Msg #10740 Dated 15:42:40 07-29-91 10712 <--> 10741
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Not unique. Terrible!
Msg #10741 Dated 15:42:44 07-29-91 10713 <--> 10742
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I can't do it. Will sell all the stuff Wayne Powers can afford and
then all will be OK.
Msg #10742 Dated 15:42:49 07-29-91 10716 <--> 10743
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Green? Parrots, are you sure they weren't the jumping kind. Last
time I was at John Gaughan's shop his "guard parrot" almost ripped
the Achiles tendon off my right foot! Shheeeesh... strong beeked
Mutha....argh....
Msg #10743 Dated 15:42:55 07-29-91 10729 <--> 10751
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
When you run the contest you can decide anything you wish. The last
great competition we held was for the "All Around" conjurer. Which
was won by Rocco. We scored both their close up and stage shows
and you guessed it, the guy with the most points won!
Msg #10744 Dated 15:43:02 07-29-91 10731 <--> 10745
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Hey, anything is bottle-able if you either have the right filter
or the taste is good.
Msg #10745 Dated 15:43:06 07-29-91 10733 <--> 10746
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Well, I know a killer site on the ocean. Has 8.27 acres, great
new custom built home, separate building with workshop, phone
hook ups for computers, etc. Shooting range at the top of the
hill... dog runs... Abalone fishing in a private cove...
Will send a brochure if you want. Will carry 2nd for a while...
(Not limiting this offer to the Tabman...)
Msg #10746 Dated 15:43:15 07-29-91 10736 <--> 10748
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Yesterday I hear that major league umpires use imported mud to rub
down the baseballs before a game. Maybe you could check with the
Balto officials and see if yo stuff is goooood.
Msg #10747 Dated 15:43:21 07-29-91 10739 <--> 10761
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Simpe.. remember my earlier message... it depends who answers the
phone on a given day. I know several full time pro magicicans
that work part time at Hollywood Magic, and if they are in, you can
get the real work!
Msg #10748 Dated 15:53:32 07-29-91 10736 <--> 10749
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Actually, Revlon was interested in the "Legend of the Healing Mud"
last year before the Mid-East War, but that shut everything dowm for
a while.
Msg #10749 Dated 15:53:37 07-29-91 10745 <--> 10757
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
It sounds wunnerful, and it would be great to have yo karma all over
the place. Seems like I heard how much you were wanting for this bit
o' paradise. Wood certainly depend on whether we are in spring water
biz, if not...well, who knows.
Msg #10751 Dated 17:01:24 07-29-91 -> 10752
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
With a bit of damp paper at the bottom of the cigarette pull you might
hear a bit of a sizzle as the hot ash touches the moist paper. That
could add a realistic touch to your grimace as if you were being
burned!
Msg #10752 Dated 17:13:45 07-29-91 10583 <--> 10753
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks for the hot tip with the metal mesh pull. That could be
embarrassing to have hot plastic dripping from underneath my coat!
Msg #10753 Dated 17:16:44 07-29-91 -> 10758
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It may be a bit far ahead to take reservations but sign me up for two
spots to Tokyo. My wife said she wanted to go to the Orient so this
works out very conveniently!
Msg #10754 Dated 17:35:32 07-29-91 10543 <--> 10755
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Jot this number down- (209) 642-3758. That's the number at our cabin
so you can always gt in ouh sometime during the trip. Maybe if it's
convenient you could stop by? Talk to you later...
Msg #10755 Dated 17:38:55 07-29-91 10555 <--> 10756
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Placerville- now I remember. Back when I used to ride motorcycles in
the hills I made several trips through there. A nice area of country
to ride in for scenery and twisty roads. I sold both of my bikes
before moving to L.A. which was probably a good choice for my health!
Msg #10756 Dated 17:44:23 07-29-91 10556 <--> 10775
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
OK, we'll just see what happens and maybe schedules will coincide.
Msg #10757 Dated 17:52:54 07-29-91 10734 <--> 10768
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I hope very much that everything works out -- if Perrier for some
ungodly reason falls through, I'd hate to see you sell out before you
investigated the investor-do-it-yourself route -- of course you should
follow the number one rule of the movies business if you do this --
never use you own money.
Msg #10758 Dated 17:55:35 07-29-91 10735 <--> 10762
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yup -- heat NutraSweet up enough degrees and I hear you get some real
interesting reactions. At least that's what I hear, as I wouldn't want
to be sued of anything like that...
Msg #10760 Dated 17:58:33 07-29-91 -> 10787
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: PHONE BILLZ
Yo--
To all in the Los Angeles area, especially to those served by Pacific
Bell. I was talking to the phone company the other day, and they
signed me up for a new plan which is going to work wonders with my
MAGIC! calls (pun there, didya catch it?).
MAGIC! is a Zone 2 call for pretty much anyone in L.A.-proper --
meaning it's not a charge-less local call, it's sort of a very cheap
toll call, broken out separately on your bill.
Anyway, PacBell offers a calling option. It goes something like this
-- you'll have to call for more details, as I'm sure I'm getting some
of this wrong:
For a minimum of 6.50 a month, you get $8 worth of credits for Zone 2
and 3 calls. Also, you get 25% off all Zone 2 and 3 calls. Now this
is definitely a great deal for anyone who makes more than 6.50 worth of
calls to MAGIC! who also has PacBell... I'm not sure if there are time
restrictions on some of the benefits -- like the 25% might only be
after 5p, or something like that.
But, if you have PacBell, definitely call! It's saving me money
already! Mention my name! If enough people sign up, I get a free
color TV! Just kidding!
Msg #10761 Dated 18:14:31 07-29-91 10747 <--> 10788
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Pete, if they're working part time behind a counter, how can they be
described as "full time pro magicians" ??
Msg #10762 Dated 18:17:49 07-29-91 10738 <--> 10763
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, no problem. Just leave a message here on MAGIC! and let me know
who you are when the time comes.
Msg #10763 Dated 18:19:02 07-29-91 10740 <--> 10764
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Nice of you to lambast magic. Have you considered running the shows
for the stamp collector's conventions?
Msg #10764 Dated 18:20:32 07-29-91 10741 <--> 10765
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Me neither. Lawyer told me I was being unduly foolish and
old-fashioned. Wayne should be getting a big check for Elvis and Me,
so go for it.
Msg #10765 Dated 18:21:30 07-29-91 10742 <--> 10766
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm told they (the green parrots) were very large, and that one,
apparently the leader, had a yellow beak. I remember the one in
Gaughan's shop - he liked my balloon work.
Msg #10766 Dated 18:22:55 07-29-91 10751 <--> 10767
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, there is a small sizzle and you have a good suggestion there. A
few years ago there was a sudden jump in the number of people doing the
"vanishing a lit cigarette in a borrowed jacket" routine. Seemed like
in one week mine got borrowed about 4 times. The last guy didn't look
all that competent, so there I was on stage saying, "Uh, you do
understand that that is a very expensive jacket?" and stuff like that.
The audience loved it and he did OK.
Msg #10767 Dated 18:25:30 07-29-91 10758 <--> 10772
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I would not be inclined to mention any brand names, but there are some
underirable side effects to some of those products. So much for your
"they couldn't do that now" concept.
Msg #10768 Dated 18:26:59 07-29-91 10746 <--> 10769
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Now THERE is an idea! You readin', Tabman?
Msg #10769 Dated 18:27:19 07-29-91 10748 <--> 10774
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
OK, if Revlon misses the boat, go for Estee Lauder. There's money in
that thar' mud!
Msg #10772 Dated 19:27:06 07-29-91 10741 <--> 10773
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If you can survive on the sale of one thumbtip, you're in better shape
than I thought!
'W.
Msg #10773 Dated 19:29:49 07-29-91 10764 <--> 10779
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No matter how big or how frequent those checks are, they always seem to
somehow get spent before they arrive!
Now, THAT'S magic!!!
'W.
Msg #10774 Dated 19:33:04 07-29-91 10745 <--> 10778
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Sounds ideal, Pete! Maybe you wanna trade for the Crystal Fantasy?
'W.
Msg #10775 Dated 19:36:04 07-29-91 10754 <--> 10782
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Will try to call you the Saturday of Labor Day weekend. Before that,
we'll be up in our wilderness cabin...(no phone or electricity)...and
are planning to hit highway 49 on our way back. We'll probably spend
Saturday night somewhere in the Gold Chain.
'W.
Msg #10776 Dated 19:39:59 07-29-91 -> 10848
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BIG E AND WAYNE
Great seeing your smiling, laughing face in the boob toob tonite. Boy
they ripped Elvis a new one, huh? But, WP as JE a BIG BRIGHT SPOT.
Cigars, even in the movies, right on.
Msg #10778 Dated 19:55:08 07-29-91 10757 <--> 10780
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Even this we've investigated. After the 440 thou to convert the
studio into a water bottling plant a distribution network is still
needed. Big money is great, but there is a point coming where I'd
just like to get on with life before it's too late. I was 39 when I
got here and will be 46 on next birthday. The house is a "money pit"
having put almost 100 gs into it already, maybe things will work out
with the boys and girls from Perrier Springs. Appreciate the good
thoughts, though. Already I've missed a gig or two that could of
turned a fair buck too waiting it out. I have become quite well read
in the meantime tho. Looking 4ward to lunch again.
Msg #10779 Dated 19:55:18 07-29-91 10765 <--> 10784
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No doubt they were Mexican Parrots.
Msg #10780 Dated 19:55:22 07-29-91 10768 <--> 10781
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Always readin' Dr. Dos.
Msg #10781 Dated 19:55:26 07-29-91 10769 <--> 10783
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Guess it's worth a try. I've put over 400 pages of stuff together
on the Springs. Perrier has the "book" right now. If they don't go,
then.... I'm waiting for the 25gs I'm supposed to get when we ink the
deal. Maybe Evan and I can write an epic romane based on psychedelic
mud baths. Get Mike King to direct and Wayne Powers to star as the
hero.
Msg #10782 Dated 19:55:34 07-29-91 10775 <--> 10805
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Shades of Mr. T.
Msg #10783 Dated 19:58:42 07-29-91 10749 <--> 10792
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Less both pray... it helped Stu!!! Talked to him this ayem and he
was feelin' gooder!
Msg #10784 Dated 19:58:47 07-29-91 10751 <--> 10785
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Put some flash paper in and you will get a more realistic burn!!!
Msg #10785 Dated 19:58:51 07-29-91 10752 <--> 10786
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tell 'em it was gas....
Msg #10786 Dated 19:58:56 07-29-91 10753 <--> 10789
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, but the onus is on you to remember to re sign up when I have
the itinerary and prices. What we might do is have a Poll here on
MAGIC! to develope the perfect route, etc.
Msg #10787 Dated 19:59:02 07-29-91 10760 <--> 10803
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PHONE BILLZ
What color TV? Gee, I got PacBell up here and I spend $6.50 a day
or more on MAGIC! (partly due to having a coin operated, gas power-
ed computer, I guess). Argh.
Msg #10788 Dated 19:59:07 07-29-91 10761 <--> 10831
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
When doing magic shows they are doing magic shows. When they are
behind the counter selling magic they are doing magic shows. Both
are for pay... so their 'FULL TIME WORK' (even tho split up in
various areas, Stage Shows, Parties, Magic shop demming) is magic.
Hence, full time pros. No?
Msg #10789 Dated 19:59:14 07-29-91 10763 <--> 10790
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Nah, you can't lick 'em and I don't wanna join 'em! I'm actually
a stamp user, not collector.
Msg #10790 Dated 19:59:19 07-29-91 10765 <--> 10791
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
How many of yore balloons did he, er it eat?
Msg #10791 Dated 19:59:23 07-29-91 10766 <--> 10793
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Terry Seabrooke has the ultimate cigarette vanish in a spectator's
coat back. Using the inimatable thumbe tipe (olde fashionede one
from the U.K.), the Seagoone gets seven minutes of solid laffs out
of the routine!
Msg #10792 Dated 19:59:30 07-29-91 10768 <--> 10794
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
What idea? I can't go back and see what I said. I have so much
going in one ear and out the other I can't remember nuttin honey.
Msg #10793 Dated 19:59:34 07-29-91 10772 <--> 10804
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
One a day. I have a memory of an old cartoon of a magic shop with
43,000 thumb tips on display, on shelves, in the counter display,
all over the place. Guy comes in and says, "Wow, you must sell a
lot of thumb tips!" Store owner answers, "No, I really don't but
a guy that came in here yesterday sure does!"
.
YUK YUK YUK (BOY IS Y U K HARD TO TYPE FAST)
Msg #10794 Dated 19:59:44 07-29-91 10774 <--> 10801
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
i DONT' KNOW THE START OF THE MESSSAGE, TRADE WHAT?
Msg #10795 Dated 20:22:11 07-29-91 -> 10847
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: ROTH LECTURE
I responded to your first message regarding the David Roth lecture,
Ring 21 is sponsoring August 10th. At the time you posted the message
you did not have a final fee set. You did respond to my asking for
reservation and indicated you would advise when a final fee had been
decided. Has this happened as yet? Do you need a check? Please let
me know.
Msg #10801 Dated 21:07:59 07-29-91 10781 <--> 10807
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I smell an Oscar.
Msg #10803 Dated 21:10:09 07-29-91 10787 <--> 10809
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PHONE BILLZ
Check your long distance carrier for in-state deals -- there are ALWAYS
plans for the frequent caller that they don't tell you about. Sprint
has SprintPlus, and MCI, which I just moved to, has the "friends and
family" discount -- 25% off if you're both MCI customers (now is that
a gimmick or WHAT). I don't, however, know if MAGIC! would qualify
with MCI as a family or friend, even if the MAGIC! number is hooked to
MCI. I know if I were running things, I would let it qualify as both.
Msg #10805 Dated 21:17:13 07-29-91 10775 <--> 10811
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
No phone or electricity? That's like camping out in the wilderness
alright. My wifes idea of roughing it is slow room service so we don't
get quite that far from civilization
Come to think of it "civilization" is a bit of an oxymororn. Like
Military Intelligence, or Postal Service or the Mark Wilson Course in
Professional Magic (in a box complete with instructions!)
Msg #10806 Dated 21:25:22 07-29-91 10784 <--> 10808
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You know, that would be an attention getting effect if you could vanish
the cigarette in a flash of flash paper. I haven't yet used the cig
pull and I don't use flash paper so this idea is just a guess...
If you had the bottom of the pull drilled so that a third or half of it
could expose the ash it might be enough to set of a piece of flash
paper hidden in the palm simultaneously letting the pull fly up your
asbestos sleeve. Gone in a flash- I like that.
Msg #10807 Dated 21:43:58 07-29-91 10783 <--> 10810
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Still praying brother. It does work, I'm convinced.
Msg #10808 Dated 21:44:02 07-29-91 10786 <--> 10812
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I like the idea about stopping by Tahati.
Msg #10809 Dated 21:44:06 07-29-91 10787 <--> 10908
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PHONE BILLZ
How often does the propane truck stop by the Creek?
Msg #10810 Dated 21:44:09 07-29-91 10801 <--> 10820
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
What does an Oscar smell like?
Msg #10811 Dated 21:44:13 07-29-91 10805 <--> 10853
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
I'm still trying to figure out what onus means.
Msg #10812 Dated 21:44:16 07-29-91 10806 <--> 10814
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In a motel room someplace I remember somebody putting out a cig in an
ashtray full of flash powder. Result, a nasty burn.
Msg #10814 Dated 22:32:38 07-29-91 10773 <--> 10815
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah, me too. Have a tiny, tiny royalty check due in the next couple
of days - might be able to buy lunch at Taco Bell. Funny bit: A couple
of days ago I was talking to the Pres. of the outfit the check will be
from and he told me that a check, made out to me, had landed on his
desk - only accounting had made a mistake - they'd cut the check for
the TOTAL GROSS SALES rather than for my share. I tried to convince
him to send it along anyway, but he didn't go for it. Oh, well, one
lunch at Taco Bell coming up.
Msg #10815 Dated 22:35:58 07-29-91 10779 <--> 10816
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't know, I didn't talk to them. Sure wish I'd gotten to see them
though.
Msg #10816 Dated 22:36:53 07-29-91 10785 <--> 10817
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think it is Joan Rivers who once said that her pantyhose were so
tight that she had a gas problem and her ankles looked swollen.
Just so I won't be accused of sexism, someone else once said that when
British males smoke cigarettes, they look like they are trying to pull
their socks up from the inside.
Msg #10817 Dated 22:39:30 07-29-91 10790 <--> 10818
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think they let him have two to puncture. They took 'em away once
they exploded, but it was one of the bird's favorite pastimes - they
would blow up baloons, toss 'em up, and he would beak 'em.
Msg #10818 Dated 22:41:20 07-29-91 10791 <--> 10819
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'll have to see the Seagoone do it. I'm sure his routine is a LOT
better than the guy who seemed to be fumbling it.
Msg #10820 Dated 22:49:30 07-29-91 10780 <--> 10821
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Hmmm... I'm not familiar with him, his books any good?
Msg #10821 Dated 22:50:21 07-29-91 10781 <--> 10823
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Sounds like a plan! A Tabman/Katz/King/Powers production should be
dynamite! Maybe even if Perrier goes for the water, you should retain
the rights to the mud.
Msg #10822 Dated 22:51:19 07-29-91 10742 <--> 10826
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
As a matter of fact, we have three wild green parrots hanging around
the backyard, terrorizing my dog. Sounds like they'd go nicely with
David's earrings, though...
Msg #10823 Dated 22:51:46 07-29-91 10792 <--> 10845
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Selling the mud to baseball empires was the idea you came up with. You
need to keep at least one set of messages back so you can use RDMAGIC
to back up further. JERRY can tell you how to do it - me, I don't know
nuttin' honey.
Msg #10826 Dated 23:05:20 07-29-91 10822 <--> 10828
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
At the TOMMY WONDER BRUNCH I will try to have only KIND things to say
about YOUR earrings!
Msg #10828 Dated 23:12:59 07-29-91 10665 <--> 10829
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Christmas is an overlay on Saturnalia -- the Roman celebration that
started around the 23rd and went for a few days; the usual celebration
was an orgy. Gimme that old time religion...
I think Halloween will be here when our own culture is as dim a
memory as that of the Etruscans...
Msg #10829 Dated 23:15:19 07-29-91 10667 <--> 10830
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
How about -- if you don't start entertaining me by the time your act is
a quarter of the way through, GEDDOUT!
Msg #10830 Dated 23:18:03 07-29-91 10703 <--> 10832
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Well, perhaps -- but the Grand Prix sure doesn't mean that any more,
does it?
Msg #10831 Dated 23:25:52 07-29-91 10739 <--> 10877
From: T A WATERS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Depends on who happens to pick up the phone...sometimes you're lucky,
sometimes not.
Msg #10832 Dated 23:30:10 07-29-91 10602 <--> 10833
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Just finished a book I found in an old book store by Houdini, "A
Magician Amoung Spirits". It's incredible the similarities of events
happening in the 20's and the current 'channeling' craze.
.
Most of these people are preaching to the choir when its comes to
paranormal phenomena. It's really amazing.
Msg #10833 Dated 23:30:21 07-29-91 10636 <--> 10834
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Hey that's the ticket - Hook for promotion. Isn't that what it's all
about ? Exposure, credentials (real or perceived), anything to get an
edge on the competition and win the next gig.
Msg #10834 Dated 23:30:30 07-29-91 10638 <--> 10835
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If all the really talented people show their talent by not showing up
- that will leave the contests for the lessor talents. Shouldn't we
trying to figure out ways of making them better - not worse
.
But of course if your viewpoint is that contests have nothing to do
with magic and furtherence of the art, then why bother ?
Msg #10835 Dated 23:30:41 07-29-91 10655 <--> 10836
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It's more like no one wants to hear the new stuff. I may be one of
few people who happen to like minimalist music, but have yet to see
it performed at either the Hollywood Bowl or Irvine Meadows - the
two major classical venues here in So Cal.
Msg #10836 Dated 23:30:50 07-29-91 10661 <--> 10837
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I have no problems with people who chose not to enter contests, I
just think that it may be an easy out. Contests are tough, especially
if you lose. Whether they have any credibility or not they force you
to put yourself on the line.
Msg #10837 Dated 23:31:00 07-29-91 10663 <--> 10838
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Stay enlightened without a throat. If you want to play the game you
have to be as ruthless as the opponent - nice guys finish last.
.
It not that anything unethical is required, its just the law of the
jungle. If you are a competitor you have to get very single-minded
about your goal. That's probably why I only compete against myself.
Msg #10838 Dated 23:31:12 07-29-91 10667 <--> 10839
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I remember seeing a Japanese comedy magic team at IBM San Diego that
did 120 tricks in 2 minutes - it was hilarious. Best Dove Pan I've ev
er seen, pretty good square circle too, only 2 seconds lost.
Msg #10839 Dated 23:31:20 07-29-91 10687 <--> 10840
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually I would have lost on both counts never had a lip and I look
lousy in a bikini.
Msg #10840 Dated 23:31:28 07-29-91 10692 <--> 10841
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Any idea what the ball park cost would be ?
Msg #10841 Dated 23:31:35 07-29-91 10700 <--> 10842
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think that if you had a mandatory section, you would be amazed at
the creativity of presentation as well. It would be the only way to
get an edge. The Vernon clones would all look the same, whereas the
really creative types would bring new insights into 'old' effects.
Msg #10842 Dated 23:31:45 07-29-91 10701 <--> 10843
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You can only Backup using a back arrow to go to the prior msg in the
thread you are currently reading. If it is a feature that people
want I could probably figure a way to go back to a prior thread.
Msg #10843 Dated 23:31:53 07-29-91 10722 <--> 10844
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Where do you think classical music is today ?
Msg #10844 Dated 23:32:00 07-29-91 10786 <--> 10852
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I like the tramp steamer idea of davids. Always wanted to work a
cruise ship.
Msg #10845 Dated 23:32:07 07-29-91 10606 <--> 10846
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
California fever can be hazardous to your health, there is only one
known cure - come on out !
Msg #10846 Dated 23:32:13 07-29-91 10734 <--> 10849
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Will do some mojo tonight, everything is going to go just right. I
predict Perrier will buy the property and you will be joining us here
in California.
Msg #10847 Dated 23:32:20 07-29-91 10795 <--> 10940
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: ROTH LECTURE
Please post the cost of the David Roth again - I think it was $ 25 is
that right ? I have the address.
Msg #10848 Dated 23:35:11 07-29-91 10776 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIG E AND WAYNE
If I were playing Mother Theresa, I'd somehow manage to justify her
smoking a cigar!
Glad you enjoyed it. I waatched part of it tonight and vivid memories
came flooding back...good ones.
'W.
Msg #10849 Dated 23:37:24 07-29-91 10781 <--> 10850
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Wouldn't be the first time I've been accused of mud-slinging. Har!
'W.
Msg #10850 Dated 23:38:44 07-29-91 10794 <--> 10851
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Trade what?
I was referring to a little killer bit o' real estate on the ocean!
You gotta get off IMP or somehow get it to retrace threads!!!
'W.
Msg #10851 Dated 23:40:48 07-29-91 10821 <--> 10871
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
WAAIITTT-A-MINNNNNITTT!!!
How come I got last position billing????!!!!!
Harumph!!!
I'll be waiting in my trailer! Call me when my manager arrives on the
set!!!
'W!
Msg #10852 Dated 23:43:44 07-29-91 10793 <--> 10855
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Heheheheheheee!!!
I think I've been in that shop....Thumbtips R Us!!!
'W.
Msg #10853 Dated 23:44:31 07-29-91 10782 <--> 10854
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
...and Sammy!
'W.
Msg #10854 Dated 23:45:28 07-29-91 10805 <--> 11077
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
It's really quite beautiful. Right on a large lake...no one
else anywhere around. Nearest civilization is a distant ranger
station. A great place to sit out on the hammock, smoke a pipe and
read some of the magic books I've been meaning to get to....or just set
out on the deck with a deck o'Tally-Ho's and try to get my fingers to
get me through some Marlo/Racherbaumer or Dingle moves.
Nothing like cussin' in the wilderness!!!
'W.
Msg #10855 Dated 23:52:19 07-29-91 10814 <--> 10856
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I've been there with freshly cashed residual checks from the old days
on Laverne & Shirley...and had to dip into my savings so I could have
a drink with my taco.
'W.
Msg #10856 Dated 23:55:09 07-29-91 10828 <--> 10862
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
...but, DAMN!!!...those Etruscans could DANCE!!!
'W.
Msg #10857 Dated 23:59:21 07-29-91 -> 10872
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESPONSES
Gee - I wonder why ? Must have due to the local judges or maybe they
are anti-frog !
Msg #10858 Dated 23:59:26 07-29-91 -> 10874
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
You have an earlier version. Upload the latest vesion of RDMAGIC.ZIP.
.
Let's see Coffee, english muffin with strawberry jam. PS wipe the
jam off your chin, it looks like you have a cut.
Msg #10859 Dated 23:59:33 07-29-91 -> 10860
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
I take it then that you feel Jeff McBride is bringing new methods
into magic and should have beat out the Burton clone. Do you see
any significance to the fact that AT LEAST McBride was nominated ?
.
Doesn't that say something for the magicalumpen ?
Msg #10860 Dated 23:59:40 07-29-91 -> 10876
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Theoretically the awards are based solely on the vote of the
regular membership, and yes he probably was over the heads of most.
.
I personally think McBride has one of the most magical acts going,
a perfect blend of movement, grace, and magic.
Msg #10861 Dated 23:59:48 07-29-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BOOK MAIL
That's endorsement enough for me. Will plan a weekend foray - Thanks.
Msg #10862 Dated 23:59:51 07-29-91 -> 10865
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Regarding Daryl's inventions. I talked to him at the castle last
night and he going to pursue getting the silk-cut to market if he can
work out a deal with the Italian guy who has a similiar effect.
Msg #10863 Dated 0:00:08 07-30-91 -> 10873
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: DARYL
Ee;10126
Talked to Daryl last night, he has a PC and modem and is interested
in joining. I'll give him Procomm, RDMAGIC, and some script files
to get him going, probably next week.
Msg #10864 Dated 0:00:16 07-30-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DA'S LONDON ADDRESS
Thanks in advance. I also need some steel shanked 64's if you know
where I might get a couple.
Msg #10865 Dated 0:16:15 07-30-91 10828 <--> 10866
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I hope you are right about Halloween. Yeah, it is hard to remember the
Etruscans. Bob and Susan, wasn't it?
Msg #10866 Dated 0:18:50 07-30-91 10829 <--> 10867
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Er... Isn't that one of those logic traps? How do we know they are 1/4
through? Could revive an ancient and honorable custom though - that of
the HOOK.
Msg #10867 Dated 0:22:00 07-30-91 10836 <--> 10868
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Personally, I think a lot of people have gained a lot from competing in
magic contests. And I think they are a worthwhile dimension of magic,
as valid as any other.
Msg #10868 Dated 0:23:55 07-30-91 10837 <--> 10869
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You raise an interesting point, and one I have debated with myself for
many years. Can the human condition actually be raised above the "law
of the jungle?" Or will the most ruthless always win? Unfortunately,
my decision always comes down on the side of the ruthless. The venier
of "civilization" is VERY thin.
Msg #10869 Dated 0:26:55 07-30-91 10838 <--> 10870
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Hmmm... maybe time trials aren't such a bad idea after all!
Msg #10870 Dated 0:29:08 07-30-91 10855 <--> 10878
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
This is gonna be one of those too. Actually, it took me a long time to
go back to Taco Bell after a situation surrounding a project we bid for
them. They are, however, close enough to our place to be considered
the "company cafeteria."
Msg #10871 Dated 0:31:55 07-30-91 10851 <--> 10884
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
You gotta ask Tabby - I took the billing direct from his message,
#10781. Also, you might note that the billing was alphabetical.
Msg #10872 Dated 0:34:45 07-30-91 10857 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESPONSES
I'd nevr given it much thought - 'til now! Guess I'll have to corner
Joe Stevens at the next Desert Magic and find out why I didn't win!
Msg #10873 Dated 0:36:38 07-30-91 10863 <--> 10896
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DARYL
Great! Would be nice to have him join us. Hope you will remind him to
leave a Comment the first time. It usually takes a day or two to get
registered after that.
Msg #10874 Dated 0:38:12 07-30-91 10858 <--> 10917
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
Pete - I think that you now have the latest version of IMP and that
Jerry was responding to a previous message. I think you downloaded one
in the last few days. If so, that is the current one.
Msg #10876 Dated 0:56:50 07-30-91 10859 <--> 10918
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
No, I do not feel that Jeff McBride is bringing new methods to magic;
I feel he is bringing new _concepts_ to magic, and new stylistic
approaches. Get the difference?
And no, I do not attach any significance to the fact that at least he
was nominated. This same group of magicalumpen passed over nominating
Tommy Wonder from the same year's list of performers.
Msg #10877 Dated 0:58:52 07-30-91 10788 <--> 10899
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Nope. Demonstrating magic behind a counter is not the same as
performing in professional show business. I've done 'em both, so I
believe I have a basis of comparison.
Msg #10878 Dated 1:00:14 07-30-91 10833 <--> 10879
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No, that's not what it's all about.
Msg #10879 Dated 1:01:00 07-30-91 10838 <--> 10881
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Team's name is The Napoleons; routine is called "Challenge The
Guinness." By the way, it was 48 tricks in 4 minutes.
Msg #10881 Dated 1:36:09 07-30-91 10828 <--> 10882
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I thought the Christmas/solstice holiday predated the Romans.
Msg #10882 Dated 1:38:49 07-30-91 10843 <--> 10883
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Sort of dead, Jerry -- sorry. As in not a living art form. As in not
something that's living and breathing and changing. Yeah, I know
you're ready to stuff yourself down my throat -- wbut hold on. I'm
not saying that there aren't wonderful performances being given every
day, and I'm not even saying that there aren't any new "classical"
pieces being composed -- what I am saying is that 99.999% of the fielf
is involved with reinterpreting old works -- which in my eye means it's
dead as an art form. Classical composition, that is. Classical
reinterpreation is newly healthy, due to the CD.
Msg #10883 Dated 1:41:10 07-30-91 10855 <--> 10888
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Whaja do on Laverne & Shirley?
Msg #10884 Dated 1:42:34 07-30-91 10810 <--> 10885
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Either ver, very good -- or very, very bad.
Msg #10885 Dated 1:43:55 07-30-91 10851 <--> 10891
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Single card, Wayne, single card.
Msg #10888 Dated 7:19:24 07-30-91 10828 <--> 10889
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You can always head for Mardi Gras in Brazil.
Msg #10889 Dated 7:19:30 07-30-91 10832 <--> 10890
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Cheez, Burton, you really made a score in that used book store. Let's
see, you picked up Spook Crooks awhile back too. Burger has a great
bibliography in _Spirit Theater_ don't you think?
Msg #10890 Dated 7:19:38 07-30-91 10833 <--> 10894
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Perception is as close to reality as most people come anyway.
Msg #10891 Dated 7:19:44 07-30-91 10845 <--> 10892
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
It's definately an option.
Msg #10892 Dated 7:19:48 07-30-91 10846 <--> 10900
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Don't forget the 10 cents a gallon royalty.
Msg #10893 Dated 7:19:52 07-30-91 -> 10921
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ER
Re: MOTHER THERESE SMOKES A C
S
Er;10850
That is a killer bit o' real estate. I show Glo Pete's message re:
and she's been sanding tables like crazy.
Msg #10894 Dated 7:19:59 07-30-91 10856 <--> 10895
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Say, where is Shirley, these days?
Msg #10895 Dated 7:20:04 07-30-91 10870 <--> 10897
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No offense intended, but what is the difference between Taco Bell,
Salt Lake City magic and VMI?
Msg #10896 Dated 7:20:09 07-30-91 10873 <--> 10920
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DARYL
I also supplied Daryl with info on MAGIC! at FFFF and dropped him a
note about it the mail. It would be good to have him here.
Msg #10897 Dated 7:20:14 07-30-91 10881 <--> 10898
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Celtic.
Msg #10898 Dated 7:20:19 07-30-91 10882 <--> 10909
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In the early days of any art form much major invention is done. After
that it seems that artist practicioners have to eal with the fact
that 95% of the discovery process has been covered.
Msg #10899 Dated 8:07:48 07-30-91 10831 <--> 10916
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Looks like this time I was lucky. Thanks for the tout!
Msg #10900 Dated 8:11:58 07-30-91 10810 <--> 10901
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Brass or Gold?
Msg #10901 Dated 8:12:19 07-30-91 10820 <--> 10902
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Mac doesn't think so.
Msg #10902 Dated 8:12:38 07-30-91 10821 <--> 10904
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
There will be no mud slinging here! OK!
Msg #10903 Dated 8:08:26 07-30-91 -> 11125
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Spoke to Harry Lorayne yesterday re: Han Van Senus work on Linking
Pins. He said Van Senus used ungaffed pins - sounds interesting!
Anyway, the February, 1982 issue has the routines, called _Unsafety
Pins_.
Msg #10904 Dated 8:13:18 07-30-91 10823 <--> 10905
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
You don't know anything? I knew it... we don't need more members
online, just a better quality! argh.
Msg #10905 Dated 8:14:13 07-30-91 10846 <--> 10906
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Wrong. Perrier will buy, But Tabman will realise California is just an
Illusion!
Msg #10906 Dated 8:14:48 07-30-91 10849 <--> 10907
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Saw the movie last night on the toob. Where you one of the cops closing
the gates?
Msg #10907 Dated 8:15:24 07-30-91 10850 <--> 10922
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I know how to retrace threads on IMP! but the file will be about 50 meg
Msg #10908 Dated 8:16:30 07-30-91 10809 <--> 10926
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PHONE BILLZ
What propane, we is 'lectrical. Up the coast they come when you least
expect 'em.
Msg #10909 Dated 8:17:50 07-30-91 10806 <--> 10910
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Try it and let me know if you can still use your hand.
Msg #10910 Dated 8:19:18 07-30-91 10818 <--> 10911
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I have ALWAYS said the originator is always best 'cause he/she knows
why the trick and what the trick.
Msg #10911 Dated 8:20:18 07-30-91 10829 <--> 10912
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The hook! Boy I am for that. I usually give 'em 45 seconds on video
before I go to fast forward!
Msg #10912 Dated 8:20:53 07-30-91 10830 <--> 10913
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think it will to Danalin. He is a great performer and will be able to
capitalize on it. (Even in Russia)
Msg #10913 Dated 8:22:57 07-30-91 10840 <--> 10914
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Not yet. But we are not going to a ball park.
Msg #10914 Dated 8:23:48 07-30-91 10852 <--> 10915
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
yoiu got it
Msg #10915 Dated 8:25:17 07-30-91 10879 <--> 10927
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Didn't Topper Martyn beat that record?
Msg #10916 Dated 8:26:33 07-30-91 10877 <--> 11006
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
My point is they are being paid. That is professional.
Msg #10917 Dated 8:27:19 07-30-91 10858 <--> 10988
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
(I just did upload new one, tnks)
Msg #10918 Dated 8:27:51 07-30-91 10859 <--> 10919
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
There are now (and actually have been for awhile) McBride Clones.
My only comment on McBride is he looks like he has gained weight. And
to be a dancer at anything other than to skinny, doesn't look good to
me. Just an observation.
Msg #10919 Dated 8:29:16 07-30-91 10876 <--> 11007
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Just like the average convention, the castle membership is made up of
(what does Max call 'em) Magiglumps?
Msg #10920 Dated 8:30:07 07-30-91 10863 <--> 11145
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DARYL
What's a script file?
Msg #10921 Dated 8:30:47 07-30-91 10893 <--> 10928
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MOTHER THERESE SMOKES A C
Didnt' know the tables were rough. Boy I misread the message numbers
this morning and am doing this online... arrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh shuda
used RDMAGIC
Msg #10922 Dated 8:58:14 07-30-91 10900 <--> 10923
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
The Alchemist's dreams are of turning lead into Gold!
Msg #10923 Dated 8:58:19 07-30-91 10905 <--> 10924
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
If I had enuff (and it may happen, yet) I will found a magicians
and friends of magicians colony someplace quiet and peaceful. I will
be the benevolent dicktater and let in only whom I want. It will be
called Arrowhead Springs and will not be on the map. I spoke of this
sometime back and it is still cooking. Last fyear I located a great
spot on 90 acres but did not have the ghidas to do it then. There
will be no rules other than gentlemanly and gentlewomanly conduct.
You build your own house, etc. Power will be provided via wind and
sun and telephone via satellite. Burton The Bizarre will be appointed
first minister of finance and David Lichtman (who probably won't want
to leave Arleta) will be director of communications. Pete Biro will
be first Prime Minister. Others will be invited and you can probably
guess who they might be (some are online here). Is this an illusion?
What is the difference between illusion and implied reality?
Msg #10924 Dated 8:58:33 07-30-91 10906 <--> 10925
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Those looked like the gates to Graceland, but Wayno was Joey Esposito
the guy following E around smoking the cigar. He told Elvis if he
didn't stop eating so much he'd get FAT.
Msg #10925 Dated 8:58:39 07-30-91 10907 <--> 10934
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Your suggestion of referencing a reply is still the best that I know.
Oh yeah, this is in reference to your reference re: retrace threads.
Msg #10926 Dated 8:58:44 07-30-91 10908 <--> 10956
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PHONE BILLZ
I have a generator but haven't tried it with my cumpoter.
Msg #10927 Dated 8:58:49 07-30-91 10911 <--> 10930
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
About 20 seconds is average on music cassettes before they come out
and hit the round file. No FF or rewind.
Msg #10928 Dated 8:58:55 07-30-91 10921 <--> 10957
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MOTHER THERESE SMOKES A C
Tables aren't rough when they leave. Am teaching Gloria the fine art
of fine finish and now she has me beat.
Msg #10929 Dated 9:14:50 07-30-91 -> 11146
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROTH LECTURE
Jerry, thanks for jumping in regarding my query to Darrell Murphy on
the upcoming Roth lecture. If you will provide the address, I will
dispatch a check for the $25.00 today.
Msg #10930 Dated 9:19:54 07-30-91 10882 <--> 10931
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!(tm - Biro). FFFizzzzzzz! PHOEY! Assume
that you would say the same for opera and ballet. Pistols at dawn at
the Hollywood Bowl!
Msg #10931 Dated 9:23:08 07-30-91 10883 <--> 10932
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Wayne was Shirley, I was Laverne.
Msg #10932 Dated 9:24:42 07-30-91 10895 <--> 10933
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Nothing! I've made my last Taco Bell comment in the current series.
Right now I'm working on the finer points of classical music vs.
classical magic. Attempting to figure out if I should defend the
"Lance Burton clones."
Msg #10933 Dated 9:28:17 07-30-91 10910 <--> 10936
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In most cases I would tend to agree that the originator does the best
version of the effect. But there are originators/inventors who are not
good performers. Some deliberately so, others not so aware that they
aren't good on stage. So a gifted performer may be able to do the
effect better than the originator.
Msg #10934 Dated 9:33:36 07-30-91 10901 <--> 10935
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Actually, "Dr. Dos" is a trademarked term that belongs to someone else,
namely Digital Research (DRI). They missed the audition for creating
the operating system for the IBM PC due to a phone call. IBM called
Bill Gates second. But there seems to be a developing schism between
Microsoft and IBM. Rumor is that DRI and "Dr. Dos" may have been on
the mat a long time, but that the referee hasn't yet gotten to ten.
Msg #10935 Dated 9:41:40 07-30-91 10904 <--> 10948
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Actually, there are probably few creative magi of quality who aren't
already here or who aren't in some way plugged in to MAGIC!
Msg #10936 Dated 9:43:16 07-30-91 10932 <--> 10938
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My position is that magicians don't think about magic 100% of the
time. Granted, that the more you are into magic, the more you think
about it, constantly visualizing and refining. Some of the best
performers rely upon the thoughts, ideas, and inventions of others
to use in their art; performing is an art as may well be invention
as well as thought. Art exists on all levels, though if a man builds
a spider web (some may call this art) it is merely an imitation of
nature. The question becomes, Is entertainment an art or merely a
skill?
Msg #10938 Dated 9:56:28 07-30-91 10936 <--> 10941
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, I know the rational for the divergent messages here on MAGIC! But
I'm begining to think that once something has appeared, those who wish
to discuss it further (in the case of things not directly magic) can
use personal messages for same.
In the art vs. skill department, you've moved to something I've been
grapling with for a long time - is magic an "art" or a "craft?" I
haven't been ready to defend my position, so I haven't brought it up.
But now that it's on the table...
Msg #10939 Dated 9:50:00 07-30-91 -> 10963
From: MICHAEL CLOSE
To: ALL
Re: CONTESTS
Both Bill Wells and Scott Wells have sent along their views
on the close-up contest situation, and what they pass along is
very interesting. In particular, Scott Wells' article is extremely
enlightening, but possibly not in the way that Scott intended.
I guess that I need to reemphasize my main reason for
feeling that the close-up contests need to be revamped: I would
like to see the young men and women who have the time, the energy,
the creativity, and the desire to compete in contests apply their
energies in such a way that close-up magic moves forward. Scott
Wells says that "the notion of making the contest practical
inhibits creativity". How silly. In all endeavours, the greatest
test of creativity is developing quality material which fits the
stringent requirements of real life. I could write the most
beautiful music in the world, but if it takes 1000 performers to
play it will it ever get performed - no.
Scott feels that one of the purposes of the IBM should be "to
foster the education of magicians". What could be more educational
than to structure the contests so that they reflect real life?
Most of us who do magic professionally began as hobbyists. For the
most part our audiences were long suffering friends or members of
magic clubs, neither of which prepares us for what we are going to
face when we hit a real life audience. Scott mentions something
which I have long felt to be true: an audience of magicians
responds most enthusiastically to tricks that they can figure out
and can fantasize doing. "Wow", says the crowd, "I could have
pulled that big letter A out from behind the table, and I could
have lifted up that goldfish bowl from behind the table, and I
could produce two birds from my lap! These guys are great!!"
Magicians respond the least to that which really fools them,
because they are far too busy trying to figure out the method then
to applaud.
Scott also mentions that the Gold Cups were awarded because
of a decision made by the FISM judging committee. This has to be
the worst reason for awarding a prize that I have ever heard of,
and if I were Scott, I would have kept this bit of information to
myself. Reading how the acts are judged I can see that I would
make a very ineffective judge, since I can imagine that most of my
score sheets would be tossed out on one end or the other.
There also seems to be some confusion as to what I feel the
performers should be doing in their acts. I don't think I ever
said that we should "disqualify those contestants who limit their
acts to sleight of hand". I don't care what a guy does in his act,
only that the act not rely on the artificial performance
conditions found in close-up contests. Scott asks if the floating
light bulb is non-commercial. Of course it is commercial and
practical, if you are doing a full evening show. Although it is a
trick which requires set up time, it is do-able within the real
life performing situation of a stage magic show. Is it practical
for someone to do in the stage contest, or close-up? Not with the
methods that we have developed so far.
Scott also feels that requiring contestants to send in a
videotape of their acts would limit the number of contestants, and
I say "Right ON". Come on gang, nobody can watch 25 guys in a row
do close-up magic, especially when 20 of them have absolutely
nothing new to offer and are only slightly above average in
ability. A contest should be the showcase for the best performers
to display their abilities, not an arena for guys who simply want
to do their thing in front of a captive audience.
I neglected to mention in my first article that there is
growing dissatisfaction among non-American magicians concerning
the close-up contests. I had conversations with quite a few of our
foreign visitors at Baltimore and all seemed to ask why the
contest continues in the direction it has been going. If the only
reason for continuing on the present course is "That's the way
we've always done it", then that is a poor reason indeed. If the
reason we continue is "That's what magicians like to see" then let
us change the name of the award to "The Gold Cups for Doing Tricks
that Magicians Like to See". I love close-up magic, and in some
small way I'm trying to stir up the creative juices and move
things forward. Revamping the contests can be a step in that
direction.
Michael Close
Msg #10940 Dated 10:18:30 07-30-91 10795 <-
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: ROTH LECTURE
Yes Bruce the final fee has been set. The prices are as follows:
$25.00 for pre-registration
$35.00 at the door (spaces permitting)
If you deceide to pre-register send your check payable to RING 21 for
the amount of $25.00 to:
Joe Selph
2018 Griffith Park Blvd., #101
Los Angeles, CA. 90039
See ya there!!!!!
Msg #10941 Dated 10:25:34 07-30-91 10870 <--> 10943
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Gee...sorry to hear that.
'W.
Msg #10942 Dated 10:24:09 07-30-91 10678 <--> 10964
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
No problem. It was my oversight. I did attend the Johnny Ace Palmer
close-up lecture in that room without the wide screen TV during the
DAY-OF-MAGIC and I saeverything Johnny wanted us to see.
Msg #10943 Dated 10:27:03 07-30-91 10883 <--> 10944
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I was the cop for a while. Then, after they moved the storyline to Los
Angeles, I was lotsa different characters....TV News Anchorman,
Government Agent, lotsa silly stuff. I also did many of the audience
warm-ups in those days for several of the Paramount sitcoms.
(Including L&S).
'W.
Msg #10944 Dated 10:29:52 07-30-91 10697 <--> 10945
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Go ahead Pete ask for Abbott's address I dare you!!!!!!
Msg #10945 Dated 10:30:05 07-30-91 10894 <--> 10946
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Cindy Williams has been doing many different projects...I believe she's
starring in one of Disney's latest film releases.
'W.
Msg #10946 Dated 10:32:22 07-30-91 10931 <--> 10947
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Hardly.
'W.
Msg #10947 Dated 10:34:44 07-30-91 10946 <--> 10951
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Did I get it backwards? My memory is poor. Was it that you were
Shirley and I was Laverne?
Msg #10948 Dated 10:34:14 07-30-91 10871 <--> 10949
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Whenever alphabetical billing results in my credit being last...I
always hold out for reverse alphabetical order billing!
Once again....I'll be in my trailer!
'W.
Msg #10949 Dated 10:36:04 07-30-91 10885 <--> 10950
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
You're right...work it out for me, Ev.
I'll be in my trailer.
'W.
Msg #10950 Dated 10:37:37 07-30-91 10906 <--> 10952
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
No...I was one of the gates!
Harumph!!!
'W.
Msg #10951 Dated 10:44:05 07-30-91 10947 <--> 10958
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The sysop has asked me to pass on his request to you that we try and
keep the messages related to magic.
Sincerely,
Temporary Pseudo-Sysop Powers.
Msg #10952 Dated 11:21:16 07-30-91 10922 <--> 10953
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
If nothing else at least the sniff and scratch test would be
improved.
Msg #10953 Dated 11:21:21 07-30-91 10923 <--> 10954
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Prime Minister. Gee... who will be talent chairman?
Msg #10954 Dated 11:21:26 07-30-91 10924 <--> 10955
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I guess Wayne spoketh on deafeth earseths.
Msg #10955 Dated 11:21:30 07-30-91 10925 <--> 10966
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Last thread I retraced caused a sleeve on my sweater to vanish!
Msg #10956 Dated 11:21:34 07-30-91 10926 <--> 10974
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PHONE BILLZ
Reminds me of the Gastrocardiogram I once had. I was in a remote
village, near Cochambaba, Bolivia, and had a medical problem.
They didn't have electricity, but the Dr. gave me a Gastrocariogram.
You hook this hose to the anal outlet, which powers the machine.
It turned out it WAS only gas!
Msg #10957 Dated 11:21:42 07-30-91 10928 <--> 10975
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MOTHER THERESE SMOKES A C
Howcum she is doing manual labor and you told me she was going to
be promoted to YOUR BOSS! HMMMMMMM?
Msg #10958 Dated 11:21:48 07-30-91 10930 <--> 10959
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Someone earlier asked "Where is Classical Music?"
It is on flat round things you play on classic equipment.
Msg #10959 Dated 11:21:54 07-30-91 10931 <--> 10960
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
That answers the Ear Ring query.
Msg #10960 Dated 11:21:58 07-30-91 10932 <--> 10961
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You can defend what you want. It is your toy. But think about the
magicians(?) on the stages at amusement parks with recorded patter
and routines? What are they? Automata?
Msg #10961 Dated 11:22:04 07-30-91 10933 <--> 10962
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah if they were gifted the effect!
Msg #10962 Dated 11:22:08 07-30-91 10938 <--> 10965
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Magic is a job.
Msg #10963 Dated 11:22:13 07-30-91 10939 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL CLOSE (X)
Re: CONTESTS
YOw... lots to think about here... you have clarified a lot too.
I think if a close up worker (in real life) wanted to do the floating
light bulb at a table in a restaurant... the real pro would devise
a way. One might float the candle flame for a thought... hmmmmm
Some of what you say relates to the Ninja on stage at FISM. The
audience didn't know what he did because they had not seen any of
it before. They didn't know when to applaud... they were fooled
throughout.
Same thing with Sylvester the Jester. He did EFFECTS no one had
ever seen before... so they sat there not knowing when or how to
react.
I firmly believe there will be a change. I hope what you, and others
are writing will get to the powers that be.
If nothing else the judging panel can (and I hope will be) changed
to include pro, contemporary, close up people that KNOW what is
happening.
Msg #10964 Dated 11:22:32 07-30-91 10942 <--> 10976
From: PETE BIRO
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Did you see anything he didn't want you to?
Hey, for a contest judge (I wanna be the one) why not have a loud
whistle you blow when you see a palm, steal, load???? Hah!
Msg #10965 Dated 11:22:38 07-30-91 10944 <--> 10967
From: PETE BIRO
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I know the way by car, but not by the postal service.
Msg #10966 Dated 11:22:42 07-30-91 10948 <--> 10970
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Is your trailer hooked to a fast moving vehicle, headed for Colon?
Msg #10967 Dated 11:22:47 07-30-91 10951 <--> 10968
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK Wayne baby, but tell me.... WHAT IS MAGIC?
Msg #10968 Dated 11:49:44 07-30-91 10938 <--> 10969
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In ART there can be NO RULES. While the use of rules can increase def
inition, they ultimately destroy the intent which has to be the
freedom of expression. You are currently walking a fine line and
perhaps you should define your reasons for starting MAGIC!. Is it a
Magic BBS or a Magicians' BBS? While messages do appear not seeming
to relate in any way to magic, I have to defend their presence
because I wish the same freedom to be afforded to me. My impressions
of MAGIC! are individual and I relate it to a group of individuals
bound by a profound intrest in the conjuring arts sitting around
my mali clad card table in my office discussing and cussing; laffin
and scratchin (as the great one puts it) and ultimately getting some
work done. A difficult question for sure. You know I am committed to
helping you with the system and have appreciated your allowing me
to do so.
Msg #10969 Dated 11:49:59 07-30-91 10945 <--> 10971
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I thought Cindy was great on L&S. Thanks for the info, 'W.
Msg #10970 Dated 11:50:03 07-30-91 10948 <--> 10996
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
AND STARRING -- 'W. POWERS!
Msg #10971 Dated 11:50:08 07-30-91 10951 <--> 10972
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
That's a reasonable request. I do admire your new title of Temp
Pseudo-Sysop Powers.
Msg #10972 Dated 11:51:40 07-30-91 10806 <--> 10992
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If I recall, Rocco Silano uses flashpaper wrapped around the cigarett
and fastens it with a small piece of tape. Retracting the lit end to
touch the paper lights it. I'm not sure what comes next, presumably
a vanish, but with the lit end exposed I don't think he "pulled" it.
Eugene Burger has a good pull method in "The Performance of Magic"
that is worth reading. While you're at it read the rest.
It's ALL good.
David (the other one)
Msg #10973 Dated 11:53:38 07-30-91 -> 11034
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: I WON!
I did it!
I just hit the 20,000 mark! Also passed my 400th logon today.
What do I win? .......
......................
I've got it! An all expense paid trip to the next FISM for me and 10
of my Magic! friends?
Hey, it was worth a shot.
(the other one)
Msg #10974 Dated 12:01:38 07-30-91 10956 <--> 11035
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PHONE BILLZ
have been in Cochambaba, Boliva myself. I was there on an assignment
for a private detective agency out of London. I liked it so much I
stayed on for several years. Am wondering if the "Dr." was the same
one I was sent down to find? GastroCARDiogram sounds like a Ben Harri
s effect.
Msg #10975 Dated 12:01:45 07-30-91 10957 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MOTHER THERESE SMOKES A C
If you knew anything you'd know that she is my BOSS. As long as she's
smilin' I know I'm ok. She lets me think I'm boss. Am teaching her
to build this stuff so she can keep it going when I'm gone.
Msg #10976 Dated 12:01:51 07-30-91 10964 <--> 11036
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Wow! That whistle idea is great. It would add MAJOR excitement to
contests. Kinda like talent night at the Appolo.
Msg #10977 Dated 12:41:00 07-30-91 -> 10983
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTESTS
I personally dislike contests very much. However, speaking from an
organizational viewpoint I feel they are of value in that they offer
a forum in which performers can display their acts. While I.B.M.
offers a chance for exposure, the DMS contests with the Vegas site
offer exposure of potential great value. A largely underutilized
benefit of contests could be the opportunity for expert critique of
developing acts. I have tried to advance the idea of videotaping
contest acts for review by a panel of recognized experts. The
contestant could either sit in on the review of their act or get a
taped or written citique. While such a review done within the con-
text of judging would offer savings of time and effort, I feel that
it might better be done outside the judging to permit as much
flexibility as possible. In fact, such tapings could be done without
having any contest at all. However, within a convention it would
probably be necessary to offer the performances within the structure
of an event of some sort. These things offer value. However, I very
much agree with you in disliking the competitive aspects of contests.
Msg #10980 Dated 12:42:34 07-30-91 -> 10993
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH!!!
I can't read very well either, so it probably wouldn't do any good to
re read (sic) it for grammaticalness (sic).
Msg #10981 Dated 12:42:43 07-30-91 -> 10982
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Don't forget the dealers and the auto mechanics!
Msg #10982 Dated 12:42:48 07-30-91 -> 10984
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
I certainly won't quibble that Mexican is better than Tex-Mex, but
when you don't have the alternative Tex - Mex is better than No Mex,
and there is certainly some Tex-Mex that I like!
Msg #10983 Dated 12:42:58 07-30-91 -> 10991
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Maybe we could just make it kinda like the the S.A.T.s with an all
day written exam!
Msg #10984 Daed12:4308 0-30-91 -> 10986
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
What is the deal that ARGH is offering?
Msg #10985 Dated 12:43:14 07-30-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TROPHY
Somehow I don't think that will ever be quite the hit that "...left
my heart in SF" was.
Msg #10986 Dated 12:43:20 07-30-91 -> 11011
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MESSAGES
I shall be anticipating news of the great event.
Msg #10988 Dated 12:43:45 07-30-91 -> 10989
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
I called it IMP because I am lazy...I have the latest of the RDMAGICs
that you have in the DL file (I think it is the 6/26 version). I
have responsed to a couple of private messages from Pete and Tabby so
I hope the responses will be private as well.
Msg #10989 Dated 12:43:58 07-30-91 -> 11000
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
I thought the "No Private Messages" statement arose from civil suites
against Sysops whom the users apparently did not know could read all
messages (so they said) and is intended to convey the fact that there
are in fact no totally private messages on a BBS.
Msg #10990 Dated 12:44:10 07-30-91 -> 11203
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EGADS!
Ye Gads! ...and you thought World Peace and international phone
bills were impacted by VMI and SLC!!
Msg #10991 Dated 12:44:18 07-30-91 -> 10995
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTESTS
I certainly agree with your commments. Jerry takes the job of being
the Contest Chairman very serious. It involves lots of
correspondence, time, and attention to detail. The introduction of
Mrs. Schnepp to the awards presentation phase was a decided
enhancement this year.
Msg #10992 Dated 12:44:33 07-30-91 -> 11001
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
El Tabbo, that is my approach as well. Althought it is quite
difficult to ever achieve a NO Rules situation, that is certainly the
goal I shoot for in thing like this. The more freedom the better.
(isn't that one of the thing that everyone says "art" needs?)
Msg #10993 Dated 12:44:58 07-30-91 -> 11021
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FLASH!!!
Don't the three of them do close up? Could they also lecture? As a
Threefer Threefer they should be a very hot item for conventions.
Msg #10995 Dated 12:45:32 07-30-91 -> 10999
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTESTS
I certainly look forward to Jerry joined the happy throng. It is
most interesting how controversial the topic is. We are surrounded
by contests in daily life, yet when a magic contest, it seems to take
on an entirely different dimension.
Msg #10996 Dated 12:45:44 07-30-91 -> 10998
From: BILL WELLS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Tabby (aka etc.) is an idealized projection of what each of us would
really like to think we could be but too seldom ever are. He is the
soul of this BBS. A reasonable facsimile can sometime be seen
weaving beautiful magical tables in the light of the Maryland moon,
howsomever it is said that his real magic comes from his Old Dominion
roots. But then this is only heresay and a whisk of a passing
whimsey.
Msg #10997 Dated 12:46:08 07-30-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: TV
You may be correct. I have never seen the Roggin's Heroes Show. Let
us hope that it produces some benefit for some magician without
causing any harm to magic. I have seen magicians working on some of
the other "everyone submit your funny videotape" shows. In these
cases they were doing straight routines.
Msg #10998 Dated 12:46:17 07-30-91 -> 11017
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
You forgot to mention that he is the undisputed Monarch of Monikers.
Msg #10999 Dated 12:46:28 07-30-91 -> 11012
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Jerry, I suspect that youare at least partially correct. I don't
think all the judges come from the local ring. We try to get the
room hosts for the close up show from the local ring, but I suspect
you overheard how judges are gotten regardless of whether this
particular judge was a local or not. I don't know who the judges
were in Baltimore, although I believe Scott Wells did say he was one
and may have uploaded some thoughts on the subject.
Clearly, the selection of judges is one of the critical areas for
improvement in magic contests.
=== END OF MAGIC-42 ===
©
1997, 2009 QuestX Webs with All Rights Reserved.
MAGIC! and this approved web site
are protected under U.S. copyright law. MAGIC! ® and The Global
Magicians Network ® are registered Service Marks and are the
property of the registree. Licensed to questx Webs 1997. All
Rights Reserved. Copyright violation includes the display of this page in a "frame" as part of another page. Content of this site cannot be used without
prior permission.