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Msg #11000 Dated 12:46:47 07-30-91 -> 11047
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
Thanks, I now have about four different suggestions on how to do this
and I think I will first try the suggestion of the creator. Isn't
privacy wunderfol?
Msg #11001 Dated 12:46:57 07-30-91 -> 11002
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Sorry Pete...you missed on this one! The entire project was done by
a full time professional magician. He brought in the the IBM and SAM
presidents and Nabisco paid both organizations to mail the info to
their members and also made a donation to the endowment and
development funds of each organization. The only real involvement of
the organizations was to mail out the info to their members. I also
fail to see what one being an amateur or professional magician
necessarily has to do what marketing concepts and the involvement of
magic or magicians in those concepts. I grow weary of the constant
misuse of amateur to indicate incompetence and professional to
indicate competence. There are simply far too many exceptions to
both sides of this "definition" for it to hold much validity.
Msg #11002 Dated 12:47:38 07-30-91 -> 11003
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah...and I bet he would have liked that white stuff on Oreos too!
Say, what is that white stuff on Oreos??
Msg #11003 Dated 12:47:55 07-30-91 10533 <--> 11005
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You guys continue to bring back ole memories...I once went to a
costume party as a bottle of gin...my date was a bottle of bitter
lemon...or was it the other way around. I actually made the damn
things out of cardboard boxes.
Msg #11005 Dated 13:37:55 07-30-91 10915 <--> 11013
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yep. So did Paul Daniels. The Napoleons' piece was no longer a
legitimate Guinness record almost as soon as it came into existence.
Fortunately, of course, that fact had nothing to do with the value of
the piece as entertainment. When we booked them on "Incredible Sunday"
we were very careful with our wording in the intro, so that it sounded
like they were going for a new world record but that's not what was
actually being said.
Msg #11006 Dated 13:49:37 07-30-91 10916 <--> 11040
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
My point is that they are being paid to be demonstrators behind the
counter at a magic shop. That is professional demonstration behind the
counter at a magic shop.
Don't confuse this with performance.
Msg #11007 Dated 13:51:18 07-30-91 10918 <--> 11041
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
When was the last time you saw Jeff? He has been physically streamlined
for the past two or three years.
Msg #11009 Dated 14:55:26 07-30-91 -> 11016
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: S.A.M. CONSTITUTION
Does anyone have a copy of the S.A.M. constitution that they could let
me have? I have been trying to obtain a copy from the S.A.M. for some
time now ... with no luck. If you do, would you please mail it to me
at: P.O. Box 2184 Van Nuys, Ca 91404 .. Thhank you.
Msg #11010 Dated 16:06:10 07-30-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY SCHNEPP
Re: YOU CALLED
Jerry,
Sorry I missed your call today. It was great working with you at IBM
baltimore, your whole family did a super job. Am looking 4ward to next
year in Salt Lafke City. Glad you finally got on MAGIC! You'll enjoy
it. Tell everybody that tabman sez hello!!
Msg #11011 Dated 16:19:55 07-30-91 10986 <--> 11187
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Will letcha know tomorrow.
Msg #11012 Dated 16:19:59 07-30-91 10991 <--> 11014
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Again, Jerry did a great job and he is a perfect gentleman in his
duties as host of the Awards ceremony.
Msg #11013 Dated 16:20:04 07-30-91 10992 <--> 11015
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The Soviets tried the Rules of Arts approach and loook where it got
them. Democratized!
Msg #11014 Dated 16:20:09 07-30-91 10999 <--> 11046
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
If I recall, Scot Wells is an experienced judge, having been on the
bench for sometime now.
Msg #11015 Dated 16:20:14 07-30-91 11002 <--> 11019
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You mean there's white stuff inside an Oreo? I never looked. I
thought it was a cookie with a racing stripe.
Msg #11016 Dated 16:20:19 07-30-91 11009 <--> 11095
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: S.A.M. CONSTITUTION
Manny, I read with interest your letter to one of the current magic
mags re: "borrowing" without permission your research. Is it
possible to get some enlargement of the picture you painted? I for
one like to keep track of this sort of misuse.
Msg #11017 Dated 16:31:48 07-30-91 10966 <--> 11018
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
When are you headed to Colon, Pete?
Today is the ideal travel day.
'W.
Msg #11018 Dated 16:33:04 07-30-91 10970 <--> 11022
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Weellllll.....
....that's a LITTLE better.
'W.
Msg #11019 Dated 16:34:49 07-30-91 10967 <--> 11020
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What is magic?
Why, that's easy...
Magic is...uh...er...
I...ahhh....magic is...
...gee, my term as Temporary Pseudo-Sysop just expired.
Oh, well..
'W.
Msg #11020 Dated 16:37:04 07-30-91 10971 <--> 11024
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The title is nuthin...
...you should see the office suite and staff that goes with the job...
to say nothing about the unlimited expense account and other perks!
'W.
Msg #11021 Dated 16:41:27 07-30-91 10993 <--> 11356
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FLASH!!!
I've seen them do close up only in informal situations and not in a
show format but I'm sure they have, do and will.
'W.
Msg #11022 Dated 16:42:23 07-30-91 10948 <--> 11023
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
OK, let's try it again....
"MAGIC! IN THE MUD!"
Written by Tabby Crabb and Evan Katz
*S*T*A*R*I*N*G* *W*A*Y*N*E* *P*O*W*E*R*S*
Directed by Mike King
There - YOUR name is in LIGHTS. OK???
Msg #11023 Dated 16:45:55 07-30-91 10998 <--> 11043
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I didn't want to list ALL of Tabman's credits in one message! Heck, we
only have 120 lines per message. Besides, I think Monikers are just a
sideline to the true magic he weaves.
Msg #11024 Dated 16:47:34 07-30-91 10951 <--> 11025
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Understoond and acknowledged, Mr. Powers. OK, no more movie credits
for you!
Msg #11025 Dated 16:48:35 07-30-91 10959 <--> 11026
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually I think the ringing in my ears is caused by an overdose of the
stuff I used to take before Zantac. I'd tell you what it was called,
but it affected my memory too.
Msg #11026 Dated 16:51:28 07-30-91 10960 <--> 11027
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, it is OUR toy - I just empty the ashtrays and wash the
glasses. Are there really folks who are on the stages at amusement
parks with recorded patter and routines?
Msg #11027 Dated 16:52:56 07-30-91 10961 <--> 11028
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, I was assuming that there was some degree of lawful and honest
cooperation between the originators and the performers in my statement.
Msg #11028 Dated 16:54:02 07-30-91 10962 <--> 11029
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Another interesting dimension! One I had noted before - if magic is
truly an "art" then why is the idea of "packing houses on Broadway" of
any importance whatsoever? On the other hand, if you are right, and it
is a JOB, then that makes sense.
Hmmmmm..... Does that mean that the Tabman is building "magic
workstations?"
Msg #11029 Dated 16:56:53 07-30-91 10968 <--> 11030
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
There is a pragmatic problem that I'm trying to solve and that is the
reason for my concern. If the message base grows as large and as fast
as it seems to be doing, then 1) people have trouble keeping up, and 2)
the Sysop has to put the files together every couple of days, and 3)
The allocated drive space fills up.
So I try to keep it focused on magic, not because I want to, but
because it seems to get unweildy otherwise.
I agree, in an ideal system, there would be NO constraints of this
sort. Maybe I'd better try to get a grant from the NEA?
Msg #11030 Dated 16:59:52 07-30-91 11026 <--> 11031
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You bet... canned magic acts.... arrrrggghhhhh (unless someone here
online does one, then they're SWELL!!!)
Msg #11031 Dated 17:00:38 07-30-91 11028 <--> 11032
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Workstations for sure. He needs to put a little tip tray on the end.
Msg #11032 Dated 17:01:18 07-30-91 11029 <--> 11033
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I will stop answering most messages... if that helps.
Msg #11033 Dated 17:01:59 07-30-91 10968 <--> 11037
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
i PREFER TO REMAIN SILENT otherwise i might incriminalize myself.
Msg #11034 Dated 17:02:04 07-30-91 10973 <--> 11045
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: I WON!
Sure, all expenses paid... har... I'll tell you what... remind me
and I 'll give you an even greater discount than the $1.00 off to
MAGIC!ians.
Msg #11035 Dated 17:02:09 07-30-91 10974 <--> 11066
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PHONE BILLZ
No it is Mike Caldewell material, pure and simple.
Msg #11036 Dated 17:02:13 07-30-91 10976 <--> 11067
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Riiiiiggggghhhhhttttt.... maybe Glo could work the back row with
a 30-ought-Six! Knock the thumbtips right outa the air!
Msg #11037 Dated 17:02:18 07-30-91 11002 <--> 11038
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Last time I checked it was Paint!
Msg #11038 Dated 17:02:22 07-30-91 11003 <--> 11039
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
And that was the first home made cotton gin?
Msg #11039 Dated 17:02:26 07-30-91 11005 <--> 11042
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It was a great hunk. The Nap's are good performers, no matter what
they do. I was amazed, however, that they entered the "Grand
Illusion" category at FISM with a cod act.
Perhaps they were just onstage for the NHK telecast and didn't
really care about the competition?
Msg #11040 Dated 17:02:34 07-30-91 11006 <--> 11054
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Not confusing anything... if they are making their full time money
from magic (demming, inventing, lecturing, doing pay shows) in muy
view they are full time pros.
Msg #11041 Dated 17:02:40 07-30-91 11007 <--> 11057
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Glad to hear he has streamlined... It was about 3-4 years ago...
and I felt he needed to lighten the load to look better onstage.
Msg #11042 Dated 17:02:45 07-30-91 11015 <--> 11044
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I like the Cookie with Racing Stripe! There was a fistfight that
started to get nasty in the market parking lot a few minutes ago.
The cops came in a flash... I was inline at check stand adn the
gal behind me said, Gee the cops got here quick... just then two
more squad cars rolled up. (Nothing happened) I said, gee, look
at all the cops... I guess the Donut Shop has been cleaned out.
The whole line broke up! What an easy target, couldn't pass on
the opportunity. Har...
Msg #11043 Dated 17:02:56 07-30-91 11017 <--> 11059
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I am already in Coldwater, Michigan.... well be laptopin in...
Msg #11044 Dated 17:01:25 07-30-91 11003 <--> 11051
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
She's gonna kill you when she finds out that you don't remember what
she wore. Personally, I think costumes should be a way of life - a
manner of expressing yourself - for example: you are going to an
important meeting and you feel very defensive about your presentation
- why not skip the coat and tie and wear armor?
Msg #11045 Dated 17:08:31 07-30-91 10973 <--> 11324
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: I WON!
CONGRATULATIONS! I kinda figured someone would do it today - 20,000
sign on's by MAGIC! members! Incredible. And more than 20,000
messages. Hey! Wait a minute! That means SOMEONE has left more than
one message when they've logged on!
Prize? What prize?
Msg #11046 Dated 17:12:50 07-30-91 10995 <--> 11186
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Yep. Far as I'm concerned, LIFE is a series of contests. At one time
I thought that academe was sheltered from same, so I spent five years
there. Far as I can tell, the politics in academe make those in magic
look tiny! And, of course, there was the "tenure" contest. With the
votes only belonging to those who already had tenure and who wanted to
see no-one else get it. In my fifth year at one university I got a
letter from the Chairman of the committee - it read, in part, "since
this is your fifth year, you have no choice but to apply." (The rule
is, if you don't get tenured in your fifth year you are out). I read
the letter a couple of times and then thought "HELL, YES, I HAVE A
CHOICE!" I quit! Went to a better job (a univeristy research position
with the "clout" of a dean) at a better school.
Msg #11047 Dated 17:19:39 07-30-91 10988 <--> 11048
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
I think you sent some messages twice - may have forgotten to purge
RDMAGIC. But, just in case, yes, the 6/26 version of RDMAGIC is the
latest and greatest in the files. And yes, the Enter Private function
seems to be working.
Msg #11048 Dated 17:21:00 07-30-91 10989 <--> 11098
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
Think I already replied to this one too! The answer is YES.
Msg #11051 Dated 17:28:01 07-30-91 11030 <--> 11052
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I thought you were going to SELL those! By the way, did I notice that
there is now a franchise magic store group? One in which you can buy
the franchise for your local area?
Msg #11052 Dated 17:29:12 07-30-91 11031 <--> 11053
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Great idea! Have you suggested tip trays to Tabman?
Msg #11053 Dated 17:29:43 07-30-91 11032 <--> 11055
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You gonna lurk? Geez... that would ruin my day - everyday.
Msg #11054 Dated 17:36:03 07-30-91 11040 <--> 11102
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Okay, your view is acknowledged. In my view, they're not.
Mind you, I'm not making a negative comment about demming, inventing,
and/or lecturing. I have done all of these, and say so without shame...
But they are not the same as actual performing. The concept is quite
different, and the person's frame of reference is also different.
Performing involves a contract of sorts between performer and audience
that does not exist in the same way across a magic counter or in a
lecture hall. Different contract, different gig.
Msg #11055 Dated 17:40:24 07-30-91 11039 <--> 11060
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Can't answer for them; I think it's strange, too. In Den Haag they also
entered in illusion rather than comedy, and placed. I thought it was a
strange choice then, too.
Msg #11056 Dated 18:06:06 07-30-91 10500 <--> 11103
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
No, in this part of the country traffic jams are almost unheard of. It
actually about 40mi.
Msg #11057 Dated 18:07:06 07-30-91 10501 <--> 11068
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
I have no idea, but I feel a funny coming on!!!!
Msg #11058 Dated 18:07:50 07-30-91 -> 11104
From: RANDY LUND
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: INVENTIONS - GENERAL
I was reading last night and came across this quote from David
Copperfield in Illusion Systems Book Four by Paul Osborne in a forward.
Given our recent discussions on magical entertainment and music I
thought it quite appropriate.
.
"Magic will continue to grow in popularity as long as we all continue
to do good work. Like any art form we need leadership, collaboration
and innovation. Music is popular because there are so many artists
creating new material. They aren't so likely to limit themselves to
whats been done before. Rules have held art forms back. If the
musicians of today had the limitations that magicians place on
themselves, we wouldn't have the innovative and socially significant
works from the likes of the Beatles, Phil Collins or Billy Joel. Music
wouldn't be so popular, making such a lasting mark and generating so
much excitement.
.
As magicians, we need to search for new principles, new ways of
performing and new ways to amaze and entertain. Magic has come a long
way and it has a long way to go. I'm excited about its future."
Msg #11059 Dated 18:12:36 07-30-91 11018 <--> 11074
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
That's what I meant.
Msg #11060 Dated 18:12:40 07-30-91 11020 <--> 11061
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Cool, fly me out and let's do lunch.
Msg #11061 Dated 18:12:45 07-30-91 11028 <--> 11062
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Let's callem Magicstations!
Msg #11062 Dated 18:12:49 07-30-91 11029 <--> 11063
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The only problem with getting a grant from anybody is that you could
not be selective re: membership. It must remain private. I'm wonder-
ing if we went non profit corp if that would open us up too. I think
that a subscription base would be a better idea. That would probably
cut down on the numbers somewhat and still provide some way for you
to continue what has most likely become almost a full time job. I'm
sure the dedicated wooden mind a 15 or 20 dollar annual fee to access
what has become almost a way of thought for a number of us. Just a
thought!
Msg #11063 Dated 18:13:00 07-30-91 11031 <--> 11064
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm thinking about building a tabman tipgetter. It's designed to look
like a Merv Taylor wand, difference being the electronic circuits
built into it to emulate a 5500 volt cattle prod. It will come with
directions for zapping just the right area of the head to evoke thhe
tip response.ZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTPPPPPPPPPSSSS!! That was for a
fifty, neatly folded and dropped into Wayne's Crystal Fastasy glass.
Msg #11064 Dated 18:13:09 07-30-91 11032 <--> 11065
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You stop, I stop.
Msg #11065 Dated 18:13:13 07-30-91 11033 <--> 11069
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You got me on that one.
Msg #11066 Dated 18:13:18 07-30-91 11035 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PHONE BILLZ
The bits I really enjoyed at IBM balto were from Ab and Karrell. They
killed me. And seeing Mike Caldwell almost come out in his bathrobe
and then showing up back in his blazer. That part was good too, tho
pre-show!
Msg #11067 Dated 18:13:24 07-30-91 11036 <--> 11085
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Some of the rock'n'roll boys were sitting on the porch one day with
my air gun trying to hit a can on a stick out in the field. Glo came
by and picked up the pellet gun and cut the stick in half without a
word and went on with her chores. They just sorta dispersed quietly.
Msg #11068 Dated 18:13:30 07-30-91 11041 <--> 11163
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
How did he loose the weight. I could stand to drop a few pounds.
Msg #11069 Dated 18:13:34 07-30-91 11042 <--> 11075
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I like the story you told me about the person who called the donut
shop to report a robbery and the law got there in record time.
Msg #11070 Dated 19:27:00 07-30-91 -> 11072
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BIZARRE STUFF
Ee;11017
Got a catalog in a few days ago you might be interested in. It's
Shambhala Publications, POB 308, Boston, 02117 Fax(617)236-1563 or
800-444-6514 ask for new catalog. Books, etc you might be interested
in. Also an offer for a set of audio tapes guaranteed to have me
meditating like a Zen Monk in 20 minutes for 50 bucks. Think I'll
pass aon instant nervana but you might like the catalog. Also New
Dimensions Radio puts out a catalog you'd like. Will dig one out
and letcha know how to get on their mail list also. They do a
broadcast on NPR of new age stuff. Might call yo local NPR station
unless you already tune in. Got something else to discuss with you
but will call this weekend. Remind me!
Msg #11071 Dated 19:27:18 07-30-91 -> 11164
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MORETTI
Anybody got the Moretti video from JS with the crossbow stuff on it?
If somebody would lend it to me for a week so I can check it out, I'll
be glad to pay postage both ways and pay a rental fee!!! I am not a
tape copier but want to see what he does, unless somebody can describe
it to me. I am interested in crossbows, but don't want to step on his
toes (or yours for that matter).
Msg #11072 Dated 19:34:30 07-30-91 11070 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BIZARRE STUFF
One more thing I forgot. Are you wired into the Delphi Network? If not
or so, they have an active New Age Special Interest Group online that
you might be able to get some use out of also. Thats all...
Msg #11074 Dated 21:33:02 07-30-91 10996 <--> 11111
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
He obviously means an awful lot to all of you. Based on what I've read
so far, I can understand why. Tabby, you don't mind us talking about
you as if you can't see any of this, do you? I mean, don't get a
swelled head or anything, OK?
Msg #11075 Dated 21:41:46 07-30-91 10812 <--> 11076
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
That must have been intended as a practical joke, right? An ashtray
full of flash powder! Good thing whoever did that didn't have access
to gun powder!
Msg #11076 Dated 21:36:55 07-30-91 10843 <--> 11079
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Unfortunately, due to the cost of putting on a good classical program
as well as the dwindling sophistication of today's younger audiences,
classical music is being pushed even further into the background, back
to that old position of appealing to only a limited audience and more
for snob appeal than for true appreciation. The general audience's
attention span today is a whole lot shorter than it used to be, and the
lack of proper musical training as well as the deluge of quick, fast
music videos with their musical instant gratification has taken its
toll on the potential young listeners. How many fifteen year-olds do
you know who would rather sit through Vivaldi han Madonna? (Am I
getting preachy? Bad habit, sorry)
Msg #11077 Dated 21:46:12 07-30-91 10811 <--> 11078
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Onus means when you have to do something you don't want to do. Like a
burden or some disagreeable responsibility. Usually used when speaking
of alimony.
Says he: How much alimony you want?
Says she: Alla money you got!
Msg #11078 Dated 21:50:13 07-30-91 10854 <--> 11114
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
That sounds like the perfect respite from L.A. No traffic, no noise,
no phones, and with no mailman- no bis!
Msg #11079 Dated 21:57:22 07-30-91 11061 <--> 11080
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Magicstations - catchy title! Next thing you know, you'll invent the
Tabman OS/2 Table! How about the Tabman DOS Partition Table?
Msg #11080 Dated 22:00:58 07-30-91 11076 <--> 11082
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You might want to look at the figures for sales since the introduction
of the Compact Disk, Cindy. Sales of classical performances have gone
way up.
Msg #11082 Dated 22:03:06 07-30-91 10972 <--> 11084
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Maybe Rocco has asbestos sleeves too? I have Eugene's book the
Performance of Magic on the headboard of my bed. I try to read a bit
every evening before retiring. I've just glancedt the cigarette
secti as I don't yet perform with them but I'll take a look at it
tonight.
Msg #11083 Dated 22:09:41 07-30-91 -> 11116
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: KEEP THE WHEELS
Anybody got a copy of Owen's Buffum book, _Keep The Wheels Turning_
they wanna sell?
Msg #11084 Dated 22:08:15 07-30-91 11062 <--> 11086
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
More than a thought, Tabb. In the past 18-months or so, MAGIC! has
become a meeting ground that has considerable impact on magic. And
we've done some pretty spectacular things. Just in the past few months
we were the first magic media to feature a picture of a magic trick
being performed in space and provided "live" coverage of four major
conventions.
But we are also outgrowing our resources. To continue at the rate that
the communications support, the message base, and the other parts of
MAGIC! are growing we need new hardware and increased phone line
support.
We've had some generous contributors that have helped a great deal, you
are a prime example of someone who has done that, but we do need to put
MAGIC! on a more secure footing.
I have been looking into setting MAGIC! up as a non-profit foundation,
but even the investigation takes many dollars and lots of time.
In short, you are right - we need to move to a subscription basis; a
move I have attempted to avoid for as long as possible, but one which
is now necessary.
Within the next few days I'll be posting an official announcement. In
the meanwhile, I'd appreciate the comments of the members on this.
Msg #11085 Dated 22:18:37 07-30-91 11067 <--> 11107
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
I'm printing that story off for Anita. You can tell Glo that I'm sure
Anita sends her one of those woman-to-woman smile thingys.
Msg #11086 Dated 22:27:19 07-30-91 11079 <--> 11087
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I saw an ad tonight for a thing called _Balloon Stack_. A diskette
for Mac with Hypercard. Teaches ballooning and comes complete with
balloons. 35 bucks. I need a source for tiny single channel remote
controls - xmitter and receiver just to shoot a little juice to a
reed switch. You got any sources? Dr. Disc!
Msg #11087 Dated 22:27:26 07-30-91 11080 <--> 11089
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Also, Classical Music is still the backbone of the Recording Academy
as evidenced by their power on the board of dir and on the Grammy.
It is something we grow to appreciate more as we get older. Also,
listen to some of the hard rock guitarists. Whether they even know it
or not, many are classically influenced. The Beatles practically
raped JS Bach as did Procol Harem.
Msg #11089 Dated 22:29:12 07-30-91 11086 <--> 11097
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Please let me know more about "Balloon Stack" if you can - I can "fake"
running a Mac and HyperCard on the Amiga.
On the remote control thing, can you give me an idea of the sizes -
does the remote need to be pretty small? How about the receiver? If
the receiver can be larger, then there are any number of systems
available, particularly if the receiver can be powered by AC.
Msg #11091 Dated 22:37:18 07-30-91 -> 11133
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: COPPER.TXT
I am about to try to upload a great interview with David Copperfield,
written by Gary Ouellet, of Canada. Gary spent a lot of time with David
at the FISM convention and has granted permission for members of MAGIC!
to read same. He asks that it NOT BE PRINTED, so please let's keep our
word on this one? OK!!!!!
Msg #11095 Dated 22:57:00 07-30-91 11016 <--> 11175
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: S.A.M. CONSTITUTION
It's to long a story to go into. If you phone me at: 818/786-7372,
I'll be happy to explain it to you in great detail. It has a lot to do
with Copyright and "Fair use".
Msg #11097 Dated 23:15:55 07-30-91 11044 <--> 11099
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Green armor, right Froggie?
Msg #11098 Dated 23:16:00 07-30-91 11047 <--> 11189
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
Yeah, I got a entire batch of message too times. hargh.
Msg #11099 Dated 23:16:04 07-30-91 11051 <--> 11101
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Did not know about the franchise... argh... MacDonalds has just
discovered they have 5 Million styrofoam cups. They are doing
there part for ecology and have decided not to use them in the
restaurants NO MORE.... However, they did say they would now just
throw them away? Arrrggghhhh
Msg #11101 Dated 23:16:13 07-30-91 11052 <--> 11105
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Olde joke. "Don't tip our waiters, they might fall over...." argh
No if el Tabarino can't find it in my crypticness he deserveth not
to know. Just saw Mel Brooks History of the World Part I. Funny
Stuff... gee Wayne, everybody else was in the flick, but did no
see you. I guess they didn't need a gate shutter.
Msg #11102 Dated 23:16:21 07-30-91 11054 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
But what does LINKING PINS (the header) have to do with it. I know,
IMP!perfection! Be cool, see ya... Gonna lunch with T. Wonder
Thursday. Don't do lunch. I don't know what 'DO LUNCH' means.
Msg #11103 Dated 23:16:28 07-30-91 11056 <--> 11362
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Well, I guess I didn't realize you have a car. The horses and
buggies I kept getting in the way of last time I visited the
Abbott get together stuck in my memory!
Msg #11104 Dated 23:16:34 07-30-91 11058 <--> 11177
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: INVENTIONS - GENERAL
My major critique (at this moment) of an awful lot of magicians is
THEY DON'T EVEN LISTEN TO THIER OWN MUSIC.
Msg #11105 Dated 23:16:40 07-30-91 11063 <--> 11106
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Make a combo magic Tabtable and Blackjack table... the Blackjack
part is just the slot the mazooma goes into.... Funny, only the
dealer gets one of those. Howcum none of the player positions
around a Blackjack table have money slots?
Msg #11106 Dated 23:16:48 07-30-91 11064 <--> 11108
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
STOP IT!
Msg #11107 Dated 23:16:52 07-30-91 11067 <--> 11180
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Honest... I once shot an arrow thru the same hole that the first
guy hit (in the bullseye). You see we only had one arrow and the
other guy shot first, hit the eye. Pulled out the arrow, handed
me the bow and arrow. When I shot the arrow thru the same hole the
guy (can't say the word online)!
I went home with my bow and arrow and as soon as I was out of sight
I broke it in little pieces figuring I could never again top that!
Msg #11108 Dated 23:17:02 07-30-91 11069 <--> 11113
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah, and it was a true story too. The cop tole me hissef!
Msg #11111 Dated 23:17:18 07-30-91 11074 <--> 11112
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
One more message like that and Tabby will never speak to us. That
is unless we promise not to divulge the family secret recipes.
Msg #11112 Dated 23:17:24 07-30-91 11074 <--> 11140
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Second reply. "All of you" means you too, you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #11113 Dated 23:17:27 07-30-91 11076 <--> 11115
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Gee, I didn't know you had to sit through Madonna.... argh....
Actually if Classical music was presented properly, y'know, like
with the players in ripped jeans, like, uh, with earrings (sorry
Frog) and long hair, it might get dug, like uh, y'know....
If Guns N Roses worked in front of a symphony orch it would be
cool.... think about it. Presentation and perception is all there
is anyway....
Msg #11114 Dated 23:17:38 07-30-91 11077 <--> 11212
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
So, it's ONUS I am dying from... argh
Msg #11115 Dated 23:17:43 07-30-91 11079 <--> 11118
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Do you want that in Unborn Naugahyde, or throat hair of LLama?
Msg #11116 Dated 23:17:47 07-30-91 11083 <--> 11182
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: KEEP THE WHEELS
Not me. Not for sale. Dog ears and all, all mine,,,, suffer knave...
Msg #11118 Dated 23:18:00 07-30-91 11086 <--> 11120
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I built a killer reed switch turner on and off device using a
soda straw filled with motor oil. A rope magnet in the oil slowly
moved when the straw tipped up. It was inside a jumbo deck of cards
and you could time the delay by holding deck upside down for, say
5 seconds. When you put the deck in the houlette right side up
the switch would go on in five seconds and the motor would run,
and the card would rise.
I made one killer version and gave it to Fred Kaps... he used it
and loved it. The other, the mule, I still have, but has been
torn apart for revisions.
Kaps hated radio controlled card rises because they were so
inconsitant and unreliable.
Msg #11120 Dated 23:18:16 07-30-91 11086 <--> 11121
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Reply 2. Scotty York and Bob Swadling are the key guys on how to
turn on and off reed switches. Magnets are the way... but there
are ways with multiple magnets to do this from great distances.
I think Swadling was the first to come up with this. He made the
York bulbs for Ken Brooke.
Msg #11121 Dated 23:18:25 07-30-91 11089 <--> 11122
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Joe Stevens came home with a killer mini signal generator for a
spook table (one that tips, electronically) but I don't know anythin
about it, I only saw it externally. But it was about the size
of a matchbook. It replaced the one Joe had before that was a
garage door opener!
Msg #11122 Dated 23:35:26 07-30-91 10508 <--> 11123
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What will that world class event be? I sure cannot think of it. Will
someone decide to descend on earth?
Msg #11123 Dated 23:37:38 07-30-91 10509 <--> 11127
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
With some people I think not.
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Msg #11125 Dated 23:42:06 07-30-91 10903 <--> 11159
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Yes Han used ungimmicked safety pins indeed. He had a full routine wich
looked just as good as a routine with gimmicked ones. He could
duplicate virtually all the effects one can do wiht the gimmicked pins,
and they looked just as good .... or better. Han van Senus was a real
genius, who is unfortunately not all that well known.
Msg #11126 Dated 23:44:19 07-30-91
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: MAGICNL
Re: DRUKTE
To arnaud van rietschoten.
Ik heb begrepen dat je de zaken geregeld hebt. Ik zal het modem voor je
meenemen. Ik heb wat moeite met het board. In twee dagen tijd zijn er
potverdikkeme 900 berichete bij. Dit kan ik echt niet aan!! Ik krijg
meer en meer waardering voor je ,dat je door die hele massa berichten
heen moet en voor ons hollanders de interessante er uit probeer te
halen. Prettige vakantie! Betekent dat dat Arnoud de taken waarneemt?
Of laten jullie de boel de boel, en verlies ik alle contact met mijn
vaderland, en met al mijn vrienden? Laten jullie mij in de steek en zit
ik hier verstoken van alles?
Msg #11127 Dated 23:49:08 07-30-91 11097 <--> 11128
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, good looking green armour is difficult to come by. It either
looks like you just haven't polished it, or it looks like cheap
anodized aluminium. Like Kermit once said, "It isn't easy being
green."
Msg #11128 Dated 23:50:49 07-30-91 11099 <--> 11129
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I thought MacDonalds was doing some sort of recycling test with
styrofoam in cooperation with the National Park Service. They were
making park furniture - benches and playground equipment - out of the
stuff.
Maybe if you haven't heard about the franchises then they don't exist.
I could see it now - "Listen to me, kid, you give us an exclusive on
your new effect and we'll get it into 57 franchised magic stores. Go
to the other guys and they can get you in maybe half-a-dozen..."
Msg #11129 Dated 23:55:55 07-30-91 11115 <--> 11130
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
For OS/2, UNBORN Naugahyde would probably be particularly appropriate.
Not only are both unborn, but both are endangered species.
Msg #11130 Dated 23:59:23 07-30-91 10834 <--> 11131
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If no one but incompetents shows up for contests -- maybe they'll stop
having them...
Msg #11131 Dated 23:58:21 07-30-91 11121 <--> 11132
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Signal generator? Ah! Transmitter! Yeah - I've got one in the top of
a ball point pen! Short range, but it works. Problem is finding small
receivers - for most commercial applications the receivers don't have
to be small and can use AC power.
Here's one for you - I have a set of two objects - one is about the
size of a beeper, the other is about the size of a donut. When you
take the beeper about 10 feet away from the donut, the donut howls!
Just haven't figures out an effect to go with 'em.
Msg #11132 Dated 0:00:28 07-31-91 10836 <--> 11135
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No. Performing for a real audience in a real situation puts you on the
line. Performing in contests means you are putting yourself in the
position of being judged by standards totally irrelevant to anything
connected with magic as a profession or an art.
Msg #11133 Dated 0:01:47 07-31-91 11091 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPER.TXT
Pete's file from Gary Ouellet is now in the files area as COPPER.TXT
Pete - we haven't seen Gary around here for a while - did you ask him
when he's coming back?
Msg #11135 Dated 0:03:55 07-31-91 10881 <--> 11136
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
There have been midwinter celebrations and rituals from, as they say,
time immemorial. Saturnalia, however, with its custom of gift-giving
(including pregnancy), was the most direct antecedent of Christmas. An
excellent book on the subject is CHRISTMAS CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS by
Clement A. Miles, available in reprint from Dover.
Msg #11136 Dated 0:06:52 07-31-91 10882 <--> 11138
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
As someone who made his living for a time as a Shakespearean actor, I
obviously can't agree that interpretation of old works is a dead art
form. One definition of art (not the only one) is that which endures.
Msg #11138 Dated 0:13:01 07-31-91 11130 <--> 11143
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You mean that is all it would take? The good folks get out of contests
and the row of cribs full of incompetents vaporizes from the hospitals?
Msg #11140 Dated 0:27:55 07-31-91 10892 <--> 11141
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
If you don't here something soon I'll call my daughter and have her
snoop around at corporate and see what's cooking. When I mentioned
that you were trying to make a deal with Perrier she knew who was
handling it.
Msg #11141 Dated 0:28:20 07-31-91 10905 <--> 11142
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Its better than reality !
Msg #11142 Dated 0:28:35 07-31-91 10923 <--> 11169
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Sounds great, I need a small hill with a 360 degree horizon to put
up a geodesic dome with a pyramid on top.
.
As minister of finance does that mean I get to spend it or do I have
to bring it ?
.
Burton the Bizzare.
Msg #11143 Dated 0:29:04 07-31-91 11063 <--> 11147
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Why not a little trap door that opens and hand comes out and grabs
the cash - kinda like THING of adams family fame.
Msg #11145 Dated 0:29:20 07-31-91 10920 <--> 11219
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DARYL
It's file that feeds commands to Procomm like you were entering them
your ownself. I have two that I use regularily. One is MAGICLOG,
which dials, logs me in, downloads all the msgs I havn't read into
a file called MAGIC.LOG, and then logs off. Generally, takes about
2-5 minutes (lately its taken longer as you guys have been generating
and incredible numbers of messages). The second one is MAGICREP, whic
h dials, logs in, and uploads a file called MAGIC.REP (which I genera
te offline using RDMAGIC), and then logs-off - generally takes less
than a minute. Makes the whole process rather automatic.
.
I generally start MAGICLOG and then go make dinner, when I come back
I have all the msgs waiting for me. Will put them on the system if yo
u are interested.
Msg #11146 Dated 0:30:05 07-31-91 10929 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: ROTH LECTURE
Send your money to :
Joseph Selph
2018 Griffith Park Blvd., # 101
Los Angeles, CA. 90039
Msg #11147 Dated 0:34:58 07-31-91 10936 <--> 11149
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't think entertainment is an art OR a skill -- I think it's a
reaction by a particular audience. Some audiences are entertained by
some acts, others not. Perhaps there should be a word for "ATTEMPTED
ENTERTAINMENT"...
Msg #11149 Dated 0:37:10 07-31-91 11138 <--> 11151
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If you don't actively encourage certain types of activities they tend
to go away. People enter contests because within magic some importance
is attached to them; if it wasn't, they might bend their efforts toward
creating acts that can perform in, and be appreciated by, the real
world.
Msg #11151 Dated 0:43:24 07-31-91 10930 <--> 11152
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, both opera and ballet are more healthy than classical music,
if you think about it -- ballet more so. New ballets are agreesively
written and choreographed, and people are doing interesting work with
opera, though sometimes the form is warped beyond recognition. But you
tell me where there's a lot or original, healthy classical music being
composed and performed, and I'll be surprised. Sure there's some, and
a lot of them are American 20th century -- but no one cares. Except fo
r Bernstein.
Msg #11152 Dated 0:45:39 07-31-91 10931 <--> 11153
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
This explains many of the puzzles of life.
Msg #11153 Dated 0:46:29 07-31-91 10943 <--> 11154
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Cool! It's been too many years for me to connect your face with my
memories. Cool!
Msg #11154 Dated 0:42:02 07-31-91 11149 <--> 11155
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm not sure I understand why it is so important that people create
acts for the "real world." Doesn't sound like a requirement of art to
me.
The "real world" is that there is a place for performance of carefully
created acts in front of the cognoscente and even in front of the
magiclumpen. Why should this be any less of an art form? Does all art
have to be appreciated by "the masses" in order to be art?
Msg #11155 Dated 0:48:53 07-31-91 11151 <--> 11156
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Just because something is old doesn't mean that it is bad. Even if
classical music were a frozen art form, would that somehow diminish its
quality? Would the same apply to old buildings? Should we tear down
the Louvre and build a more modern building in its place just because
it has been there too long?
There is a lot of modern magic that I like, along with a lot that I
think is just contemporary trash. And I still like to see classics of
magic performed well.
Msg #11156 Dated 0:53:05 07-31-91 11152 <--> 11157
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah! It makes Laverne and Shirley believable!
Msg #11157 Dated 0:54:43 07-31-91 11136 <--> 11168
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Playwriting is not a dead art, nor is theatre -- there are new things
being written all the time. Every art has its sub-section of classics
-- Shakespeare, or the Cups and Balls. With Classical Music, it is not
a subset, it is all there is.
Msg #11159 Dated 0:58:50 07-31-91 10903 <--> 11223
From: EVAN KATZ
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Also check out Dan Garret's routine, based on Van Senus' concept,
which don't use gaffed pins. Also, next time you speak to Mr. Lorayne,
you might want to ask him his feeling about quotation marks,
Msg #11163 Dated 2:10:09 07-31-91 11068 <--> 11197
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
You and me both. Jeff made some changes in his lifestyle -- stopped
drinking and smoking, began involvement in some new philosophical
pursuits, and so on. The weight-loss (and it's worth mentioning that he
wasn't that out of shape to begin with) went along with this revision.
Msg #11164 Dated 2:19:31 07-31-91 11071 <--> 11198
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORETTI
Both of Hans Moretti's sons do extended versions of the crossbow act.
The former, who uses the name Hans Pantar, is featured in the show at
Bally's in Las Vegas. A tape of part of his act exists on the Harry
Anderson sideshow special that aired on network a few years ago. The
younger son, Peter, did the act at the Den Haag FISM, and it's on one
of the NHK specials from that convention. If you like I'll try to dig
up my copy of the latter, and dub it for you. (Your offer to pay a
rental fee for viewing someone else's copy of the Stevens tape is
undoubtably well-intentioned, but would surely not make Joe happy.)
Msg #11165 Dated 3:37:22 07-31-91 -> 11225
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: HAN VAN SENUS
Talking about Han van Senus. It's a pitty so less of his material
has been published as he is a real genius and has some wonderful
inventions on his name.
He has some very original routines, which I unfortunately have not
seen all. I recall a miraculous rice bowl routine. Maybe Tommy
Wonder (or someone else) can add some more Van Senus wonders...
.
Unfortunately Han van Senus is momentarily in a very bad condition,
and his magical activities have more or less stopped.
Msg #11168 Dated 7:47:10 07-31-91 11080 <--> 11174
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Among adults who can afford to replace old vinyl with new! How many new
buyers are under 25?
Msg #11169 Dated 7:48:15 07-31-91 11112 <--> 11170
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know...
Msg #11170 Dated 7:50:56 07-31-91 11111 <--> 11172
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Not even for roadkill stew?
Msg #11172 Dated 8:51:13 07-31-91 10681 <--> 11191
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Gadzooks! I think I am honored to be in such company.
Nice thing nowadays is that with all this electronic stuff the place
can be most anywhere and not as important as before. Makes mountain
tops all the nicer.
Msg #11174 Dated 8:52:20 07-31-91 11089 <--> 11176
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It's availo from a little shop in NYC, Tanners, Tunney's, something
like that. in their latest junk mail. #(PS-100) 800-72-MAGIC. Maybe
avail on your side at HWM, dunno. Thought you'd like to know about it
tho.
Msg #11175 Dated 8:52:28 07-31-91 11095 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: S.A.M. CONSTITUTION
OK, Manny. Number noted and in Rolodex(tm). I'll try to tele you
one evening soon. Looking 4ward to talking 2 U.
Msg #11176 Dated 8:52:33 07-31-91 11101 <--> 11178
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Now there's a name I can finally build my act with.
Msg #11177 Dated 8:52:39 07-31-91 11104 <--> 11491
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INVENTIONS - GENERAL
And, don't get me started on magicsh bg tapes. Say, has anybody heard
the orig tapes that Owen's magic Supreme has produced. There is an
idea who's time has come. Unf I think they are on cassette only
which, though popular and accounding for 60% of sales is not the
most archival stuff. maybe I'm wrong and they're on CD but since I
abandoned the downstairs office, I just don't go in there much to
dig through all that stuff on the former dining room table, current
dead letter repository.
Msg #11178 Dated 8:52:48 07-31-91 11105 <--> 11179
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
They do have slots. That's what they play after they've lost their
50 dollars playing blackjack.
Msg #11179 Dated 8:52:55 07-31-91 11106 <--> 11181
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Pzzziiittspppttt.
Msg #11180 Dated 8:53:01 07-31-91 11107 <--> 11227
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Obviously a magnetic arrow.
Msg #11181 Dated 8:53:05 07-31-91 11108 <--> 11184
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
That's why we can never get speedy cop service here. DoNut World is
20 kliks away.
Msg #11182 Dated 8:53:12 07-31-91 11116 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KEEP THE WHEELS
Am suffering through it all. Guess will have to try to spring for
a new one, I just have a penchant for preowned books, the dogged
the better.
Msg #11184 Dated 8:53:17 07-31-91 11118 <--> 11185
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Harbin was into some work similar with his later Tippler stuff
as eidenced by what I read in Harbincadabra. That's a killer idea
inside the jumbo deck.
Msg #11185 Dated 8:53:27 07-31-91 11120 <--> 11188
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm wired into Scotty and we're getting together ina few daze. Will
pick a little. I plan to use an electromaggie to trip reed but need
to juice it via remote. Have a garage door type have played with
but its too big for final usage.
Msg #11186 Dated 8:53:22 07-31-91 10707 <--> 11354
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Lots of ways to go on this...could have two panels of contestants
ala College Bowl Quiz (or whatever they called it) or two or three
contestants with catagories ala Jeopardy...or do it like Wheel of
Fortune. I don't watch these things so don't know details of what
they do. Important thing is chance for good EmCee and staging to
take heat off and make into fun event while still testing knowledge.
Msg #11187 Dated 8:53:43 07-31-91 10708 <--> 11204
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
What is the appropriate movement when one says ARGH!...a quick bow?
(Pulezzzz...none of the excretory function responses!!)
Msg #11188 Dated 8:53:41 07-31-91 11122 <--> 11190
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
This event hasn't happened yet and is heretofore unpublicized. It
will be less of a performance and more a meeting of the minds. It
won't be on a par with "the second coming" which would surely surpris
e and scare heck outa some people.
Msg #11189 Dated 8:53:50 07-31-91 10709 <--> 11361
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
It worked! The message was private.
Msg #11190 Dated 8:53:54 07-31-91 11130 <--> 11193
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The major problem with incompetency, is that it rarely recognizes
itself in the mirror.
Msg #11191 Dated 8:54:02 07-31-91 11140 <--> 11192
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Today is Wednesday and the guy is due in. I should get some word
today. Fingers crossed!!
Msg #11192 Dated 8:54:07 07-31-91 11142 <--> 11201
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Minister of Finance is safeguarder. Have a plan for a dome complex
mostly ferrocement with 40' central dome with four satellite domes
around. Central is plexy for atrium idea. Have to have the shop in
an old barn though so I feel at home. With your ideas you'd fit
right in. I once lived in a tee pee in Western Mass at the
Renniasance Community and The Brotherhood of the Spirit. Looking
back, it was maybe the best time of my life. Freedom, even the
state cops were afraid to come in. Only problem there was the usury
by one central guy (not me). I left there to "go commercial" with
the Urban Cowboy Band.
Msg #11193 Dated 8:54:18 07-31-91 11143 <--> 11194
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Why stop with a hand. Have an arm on it so it can grab em by the
throat. I'm listening to new Sting album right now so can't remember
the song with lines, "my eyes bugged out and my face turned blue."
Msg #11194 Dated 8:54:24 07-31-91 11147 <--> 11195
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Sorta like, "Joe Blow was arrested last night at the Palace after
his show. The charge: ATTEMPTED ENTERTAINMENT."
Msg #11195 Dated 8:54:31 07-31-91 11151 <--> 11196
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
According to the charts, Classical Music accounts for about 7% of
total record sales.
Msg #11196 Dated 8:54:38 07-31-91 11154 <--> 11200
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Ya'll keep talking about the REAL WORLD. What the heck is that?
Msg #11197 Dated 8:54:43 07-31-91 11163 <--> 11211
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
I thought the weight looked good on you last time I saw you. Me, I
can't even get into any clothes I was wearing a few years ago. Geting
off the road and slowing down did me in in that department. I guess
I'll go on the McBride diet. No drinking, No smoking, and a few, new
philosophical pursuits - like NO FOOD.
Msg #11198 Dated 8:54:50 07-31-91 11164 <--> 11224
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORETTI
I figured my offer to "pay" a rental fee would get a rise outa
somebody. I checked JS vid catalog and he asks that you not copy
them (which I don't) but didn't say nuttin about rental. Guess I'll
order the Moretti tape from Joe and take you up on your offer of the
dub of the FISM stuff of his son. I just don't want to re-invent the
wheel or to copy them either (or inadvertantly be accused) thus my
request for info. Thanks again.....
Msg #11200 Dated 8:55:15 07-31-91 10712 <--> 11207
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What "types of individuals" does magic attract? What is the "common
denominator" amoung magicians? I would be interested to hear what
your thoughts are on this.
Msg #11201 Dated 8:55:32 07-31-91 10733 <--> 11202
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I like Big Island better than Maui, but probably same kind of bux.
Msg #11202 Dated 8:55:52 07-31-91 10746 <--> 11205
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Even Talmage's mud wouldn't help the Orioles...but some do say that
they are definitely a bunch of "mudders"...
Msg #11203 Dated 9:00:06 07-31-91 10677 <--> 11232
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EGADS!
I am sorely tempted to say you don't have a leg to stand on...but I
won't!! (grin) I definitely agree with the minimal part!!
Msg #11204 Dated 9:01:33 07-31-91 10706 <--> 11247
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
some of it is even still good the next day!
Msg #11205 Dated 9:04:41 07-31-91 11022 <--> 11206
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
What? How come I don't have "Name-Above-The-Title?"
Like....WAYNE POWERS
IS
"MAGIC! IN THE MUD!"
Well...now....on second thought....
'W.
Msg #11206 Dated 9:07:01 07-31-91 11043 <--> 11244
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Great, Pete!
Will we be getting instantaneous reports from Colon?
Aaaahhhhhhhhhh....TECHNOLOGY!!!!
'W.
Msg #11207 Dated 9:12:38 07-31-91 11060 <--> 11208
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You got it. Just charge the airfare to David Lichtman or "Lichtman
Enterprises." If you have any trouble, let me know and I'll send you
his Mastercard number & expiration date.
Woops, this message was supposed to be private!
'W.
Msg #11208 Dated 9:16:54 07-31-91 11076 <--> 11209
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I came downstairs from my office yesterday afternoon and found my two
sons, (ages 4 & 6), watching a show called "Music Box" on the Disney
Channel....featuring a symphony orchestra in concert with a program of
music for children. I had to sit down and join them!
'W.
Msg #11209 Dated 9:21:55 07-31-91 11101 <--> 11210
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Gate shutter??!!!
Gee, Pete...I can remember when I used to actually LIKE you!
'W.
Msg #11210 Dated 9:26:37 07-31-91 11153 <--> 11213
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Someday I'll strap you into an easychair and run some tapes
r you can just give me your wallet!)
'W.
Msg #11211 Dated 9:34:13 07-31-91 11197 <--> 11234
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Waiter! Bring me all their Haagen Dazs!!!
'W.
Msg #11212 Dated 9:37:54 07-31-91 11078 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC VACATION
Yes, Stan. I need to get there at least once a year for a "Mental
Shampoo" or I go nuts.
'W.
Msg #11213 Dated 9:44:56 07-31-91 11130 <--> 11214
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Nah -- we'll just buy cheaper trophies. Call it the Lead Medal?
Msg #11214 Dated 9:45:03 07-31-91 11131 <--> 11215
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Try dunking the donut.
Msg #11215 Dated 9:45:11 07-31-91 11132 <--> 11217
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
At present maybe.... but if the judging criteria is modified and
announced.... hmmmm
Msg #11217 Dated 9:45:25 07-31-91 11136 <--> 11220
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Paverotti (spelling?) just performed an outdoor concert in London,
in the rain, and in a post even news conference said he has a
number (is that the right terminology for something as serious
as his music?) in the TOP TEN on the charts in the UK, which thrills
him no end. He stated that his goal is to bring classical music
to the pop listeners. Good start!
Msg #11219 Dated 9:45:45 07-31-91 11145 <--> 11367
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DARYL
No rush for magic.log, I am only suffering because of boredom i
go online about 12 times a day. A little self control will go a
long way. Work would even make it better! ARgh...
Msg #11220 Dated 9:45:51 07-31-91 11154 <--> 11221
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Show me that there is a "real" world. I think it is cheese, and
only the Moon is real.
Msg #11221 Dated 9:46:00 07-31-91 11155 <--> 11222
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I wonder if the Louvre is up to code? Wiring and plumbing might be
old, yep, tear it down!
Msg #11222 Dated 9:46:08 07-31-91 11157 <--> 11231
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Lets see, doesn't it have to be old to be classical?
Msg #11223 Dated 9:46:15 07-31-91 11159 <--> 11317
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
How about messages that end in commas? (see 11159) ARgh?
Msg #11224 Dated 9:46:20 07-31-91 11164 <--> 11229
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORETTI
Joe would be thrilled, if the rental fee went to him!
Msg #11225 Dated 9:46:25 07-31-91 11165 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: HAN VAN SENUS
Is it possible someone could write a book on the material of van
Senus? I understand his work is unique and should be preserved.
Will talk to Tommy tomorrow at lunchtime.
Msg #11227 Dated 9:46:37 07-31-91 11180 <--> 11237
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Funny you didn't say "large hole" -- now, 'twas ungaffed and blind
luck... which I will take over skill any day.
Msg #11229 Dated 10:21:03 07-31-91 11224 <--> 11236
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORETTI
I'm not sure I understand. How is this different from going to my
local video store and renting a video?
Msg #11231 Dated 10:27:35 07-31-91 11168 <--> 11233
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't have answers to those specific questions. I do know that my
2-1/2 year old son likes some classics. I also know that classical
music has endured for several hundred years now. Don't you assume that
the "under 25" set in the 1920's listened to Jazz and thought classics
were dead?
Personally, I think that Madonna will join the list of classics. I
think that people will listen to her music 100 years from today.
Msg #11232 Dated 10:30:25 07-31-91 11203 <--> 11265
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: EGADS!
Well, that saves me a trip to the cleaners to get my cap cleaned
anyway. Will call you regardless and chat. Make plans for a supper
date in Old Town maybe next week. Glo would like to get out am sure
as living with a hermit does have some social disadvantages.
Msg #11233 Dated 10:30:32 07-31-91 11207 <--> 11235
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yesterday Dr. Disc called and asked Glo to test his fax machine and
she sent fax upside down (actually downside up) and he thought his
machine was jinxed. She's more of a joker than am I.
Msg #11234 Dated 10:30:38 07-31-91 11211 <--> 11280
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
Cheeez, and I thought it was orange sorbet.
Msg #11235 Dated 10:30:42 07-31-91 11213 <--> 11238
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Make the trophies out of money and see what kind of contestants you
get.
Msg #11236 Dated 10:30:48 07-31-91 11224 <--> 11263
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORETTI
OK, OK, will either buy the tape; or better yet will call JS and tell
him I heard about his new rental plan.
Msg #11237 Dated 10:30:52 07-31-91 11227 <--> 11241
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Agreeeed re: blind luck. Once on tour bus driver asked to bum cig
and from 20 feet back I tossed the pack toward the windshield. You
guessed it. It landed upright on the console with one cig sticking
out of the pack. I never twitched but never tried to repeat it, well,
maybe once.
Msg #11238 Dated 10:31:43 07-31-91 11174 <--> 11239
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks. I'll look for it at HWM. It is an interesting concept, but I
wonder if it is really much better than a book.
Msg #11239 Dated 10:35:28 07-31-91 11196 <--> 11240
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The real "real world" is the one you are in now. It is joined together
by wires and modems.
Msg #11240 Dated 10:36:58 07-31-91 11200 <--> 11242
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Ego.
Msg #11241 Dated 10:34:15 07-31-91 10964 <--> 11268
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
I saw a couple of things but being a Magician you kind of get used to
looking where your not supposed to. I've watched Johnny at the Castle
and he just kills layman.
I really like the whistle idea. PENALTY ON THE PLAY, YOU MUST SIT AND
WATCH TWELVE HOURS OF DOUG HENNING NONSTOP!!!
To quote you ARGHHHHHHH!!!
Msg #11242 Dated 10:39:15 07-31-91 11214 <--> 11243
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I tried dunking the donut. Got arrested for attempting to imitate a
police officer. The beeper/donut thing was originally designed to
protect your luggage while travelling - you put the beeper on your belt
and the donut in your luggage. If someone took your luggage, or if you
walked off and forgot it, it would howl.
Msg #11243 Dated 10:42:32 07-31-91 11220 <--> 11250
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Hey! I WASN'T the one who was creating an arbirary distinction about
the "real world!" Go yell at T A!
Msg #11244 Dated 10:44:26 07-31-91 11170 <--> 11246
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
ESPECIALLY for roadkill stew! Had some of Gloria's secret recipe stuff
at the Hotel de Carlo. It was INCREDIBLE. The recipe is a closely
held inner circle secret.
Msg #11246 Dated 10:48:14 07-31-91 11205 <--> 11281
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Someone once told me that there is a considerable difference between
being "in the mud" and "of the mud." Presumably, the class below Max's
magiclumpen would be the later.
As to names and titles - how am I supposed to know this stuff? All I
do with movies is watch 'em.
Msg #11247 Dated 10:57:35 07-31-91 11204 <--> 11270
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MESSAGES
One of my basic rules of business, along with "never enter into a
partnership with absolutely anybody to do absolutely anything, no
matter how appealing it seems at the time," is "never invest in
anything that breathes, excretes, or spoils." No horse farms, no
day-care centers, no fast food joints. I have, however, over time,
noticed that MacDonald's is doing better than I am...
Msg #11250 Dated 11:08:53 07-31-91 11233 <--> 11254
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah! She really nailed me with that one! But she's got special
status here on MAGIC!
Msg #11252 Dated 11:24:13 07-31-91
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: COPPER.TXT
Thanks Pete,
Thanks Gary,
and most of all...
Thanks David wherever you are!
Msg #11253 Dated 11:25:52 07-31-91
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: ALL
Re: AUG FLEMING FLASHPAPER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EXCERPTS FROM <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THE FLEMING FLASHPAPER <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AUGUST 1991 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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. INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAGICIANS .
. CARYL FLEMING RING 21 .
. Hollywood California .
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. BIDDING FAREWELL TO THE WATTLES MANSION .
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Unfortunately, the August meeting will be our last meeting at the
historic Wattles Mansion in Hollywood. Our contract has expired and it
was our joint decision not to renew. From our standpoint, we have
honestly outgrown the facilities. We are attracting record numbers of
members every month. From Wattles standpoint, it would be difficult
for us to stay within their curfew, aside from the fact that they have
to turn down other clients who would like to use the mansion for their
events (i.e. paying clients!!).
So, beginning with the September meeting, we will be moving to a new
location. Details will be announced in the September newsletter. The
Board of Directors is making every effort to keep us in the Hollywood
area and welcomes any suggestions you may have. We are looking for a
facility that has a small stage and can hold up to 100 people. These
types of locations are few and far between and often command fees in
excess of $150.00 per month.
If you can be of any help, please contact Joe Selph at (213) 660-2998.
======================================================================
. SPECIAL LECTURE SERIES CONTINUES
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IBM Ring 21 is proud to announce an exclusive Los Angeles appearance
by the finest coin manipulator of modern times, Mr. David Roth. This
four hour seminar will be presented on Saturday August 10, 1991 at
UCLA's Schoenberg Hall in Room 1325. The seminar will get underway at
10:00 am with an hour break for lunch at Noon. David has not lectured
in the Los Angeles area in quite a few years and we are happy to able
to sponsor his ONLY Los Angeles appearance. In addition to L.A., he
will be appearing in San Diego and Sacramento.
His seminar will be unique in that we are offering amphitheater style
seating so there will be no bad seats! We will also have a large video
projection screen for extreme close-ups for excellent viewing! This
seminar is open to all magicians in the Los Angeles area on a first
come, first served basis! The fee is $25.00 per person in advance and
$35.00 per person at the door!
For reservation, contact Joe Selph at (213) 660-2998.
======================================================================
. SEPTEMBER MEETING
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Our September meeting will feature our Annual Swap Meet. Now is the
time to dig through those closets and get rid of those magical items
that you aren't using. Tables will be available to current Ring 21
members at no charge. Non-members are welcome to sell their wares for
a small fee. If you would like to participate, please contact Joe
Selph.
======================================================================
. POOF, TOO! SHOW JUST AROUND THE CORNER
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once again, Ring 21 will be joining forces with the I.A.M. and the
Oddfellows to produce the 5th ANNUAL POOF, TOO! in Hermosa Beach on
Saturday October 19, 1991. According to the "Head Honcho", Dennis
Forel, this year's lineup includes VICTOR & DIAMOND, JACK COREY, and
DOUG & LINDA MALLOY. Last years show was a sell-out and raised several
hundred dollars for each of the sponsoring organizations. Dennis is
still scouting for additional talent for the show and said that
rehearsals will be held the night before on Friday October 18, 1991.
We are looking forward to participating again this year. The Hermosa
Beach Theater is located just south of Los Angeles and is a short trip
down the Harbor Freeway. Details about the sale of tickets will be
announced at a later date.
======================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EXTRA :: EXTRA :: EXTRA <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
======================================================================
The MAGIC PALACE in Glendale has moved to bigger headquarters. Their
new address is 236 N. Glendale Blvd. in Glendale, about 5 blocks south
of the old address. They are having a SALE THIS SATURDAY August 3rd
and 4th. ALL MERCHANDISE ON SALE AT 10% TO 30% OFF, INCLUDING BOOKS &
VIDEO.
The MAGIC PALACE has three lectures coming up:
.
MICHAEL WEBER will be lecturing on August 11th at 5pm. Cost is $30.00
per person and includes lecture notes.
.
MITCH WILLIAMS will be lecturing on September 8th at 5pm. Cost is
$20.00 per person.
.
LOREN MICHAELS will be lecturing on September 29 at 5pm on Close-up,
Silent stage, and Music Editing. Call MAGIC PALACE at (818) 246-1129
for cost and/or more information.
Msg #11254 Dated 11:32:41 07-31-91 11238 <--> 11255
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Look at it thisaway. A book in perfect binding with typeset etc
wood cost 5-6 bux to produce and sell for 15 or 20 while the diskette
cost a buck to reproduce and cost 35. Better for whom, you tell me??
Msg #11255 Dated 11:32:50 07-31-91 11239 <--> 11256
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tht's what I thought. This seems real enuff to me, and I know for a
fact that there are REAL people on the other end of the wires and
modems. I know cuz I seen em, well, enuff ofem to count anyhou.
Msg #11256 Dated 11:32:57 07-31-91 11243 <--> 11257
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I thought it was Cindy with this "real life" stuff. What is that
anyway?
Msg #11257 Dated 12:34:34 07-31-91 11254 <--> 11258
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, but will they be able to sell as many? I guess that if it works
we'll see more of the same.
Msg #11258 Dated 12:36:28 07-31-91 11256 <--> 11260
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
"Real life" is a cop out for those who can't handle magic and MAGIC!
Msg #11259 Dated 12:38:47 07-31-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: PIEROGI POWER
Forwarded to me by Kent Cummins (one Heck of a guy!) - From the July
15, 1991 issue of Adweek's Marketing Week -- an article on Pierogi
Power. It seems that endurance athletes (marathon runners and the
like) are getting into Pierogi as a carbo-loading food! The
carbohydrate content is similar to pasta, with less fat. The leading
Pierogi company (Ateeco's "Mrs. T's" brand) now sponsors some 130
athletic events every year!
Thanks, Kent!
Msg #11260 Dated 13:11:47 07-31-91 11257 <--> 11261
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I would imagine that they'd sell lots more books, but consider this:
It's probably cottage industry produced and packaged so outside of
development time, which he probably enjoyed, investment is minimal,
he doesn't have 500-1000 books sitting around and still has his
5000 bux in the bank that the inventory woulda cost him. If you ask
me, a grand experiment. Of course, his market is limited by two
addl factors outside of the balloonatics; to Mac users with Hypercard
Speaking of grand experfiments, how is the complete MAGIC! msg base
set of diskettes coming along? When can I order a set?
Msg #11261 Dated 13:57:35 07-31-91 11260 <--> 11264
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Well, I wish the guy with the Balloon program well. Think that my
bucks (as if I had any) would go to T. Meyer's video.
The copying of the MAGIC! diskettes is going slowly at the moment.
Still gluing computers back together. We are critically short of
diskspace here on MAGIC! and I have to do some flippin' and floppin' to
get more assigned. Finally seem to have all the hardware on my
personal 386 in some sort of uneasy truce, now gotta get an agreement
hammered out with all the software.
Msg #11262 Dated 14:28:38 07-31-91
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROTH LECTURE
Got it! Thanks Jerry.
Msg #11263 Dated 14:42:36 07-31-91 11229 <--> 11274
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORETTI
If you are referring to renting a video from someone that bought
it from a magic dealer, I don't think there is any problem. It is
copying tapes the FBI will chase you down AND GET YOU for.
Hey, you own it, you can give it away, trade it, sell it, rent it,
burn it... whatsomeverwhom?
Msg #11264 Dated 14:42:45 07-31-91 11231 <--> 11267
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You figure she will still be alive in 2091?
Msg #11265 Dated 14:42:51 07-31-91 11232 <--> 11625
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: EGADS!
You gots to get out to break the ties with the spider webs building
up between you and the workstation(s)!
Msg #11267 Dated 14:43:09 07-31-91 11235 <--> 11272
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
We do that at the Desert Seminar!!! And get professionals!!!!
Msg #11268 Dated 14:43:15 07-31-91 11237 <--> 11269
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
I hit the tossed into deck card trick first (and only) shot at
FISM....HJAR...HJAR (THAT IS INTERNATIONAL HAR)
Msg #11269 Dated 14:43:21 07-31-91 11241 <--> 11349
From: PETE BIRO
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
nICE REPLY... HEY, WE COULD CHECK THE RE PLAY!!! YARGH...
Msg #11270 Dated 14:43:26 07-31-91 11247 <--> 11277
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGES
ARe you sure MacDonalds is doing better than you are? Hey, they
have to keep changing the menu. To quote Leno. They don't have
dumpsters anymore... they make sure and use every part of those
cows!
Msg #11272 Dated 14:43:44 07-31-91 11261 <--> 11275
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't use CRAZY! glue to glue MAGIC! back together...it will only
compound matters. Not that it matters!
Hey... how about for the advisory board we get the disks, transfer
to HD and send on to next guy (me, tabarino, etc.) then back to
you to sell. Or is it Tab-a-Rhino? Master of the Universal Moniker.
---whoa--- phone just rang, caller wants see my photo work, might
have some jobs fo' me!! Hall-e-loo-ya (no, Biro, don't spend it
befo' you got it!) argh plus!
Msg #11274 Dated 14:48:44 07-31-91 11263 <--> 11339
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORETTI
I agree. But apparently Max doesn't, or, at least, he seems to feel
that Joe Stevens won't be.
Msg #11275 Dated 14:50:12 07-31-91 11264 <--> 11276
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I didn't speculate on her personal health in 2091. I am of the
personal opinion that some of what she has done will become enduring.
Think I'll go put one of her videos on right now.
Msg #11276 Dated 14:54:17 07-31-91 11272 <--> 11279
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Haven't used CRAZY! Glue (tm) on MAGIC! (tm), but have used Bondini 2
(tm) on the new machine.
Will work on diskette plan. Meanwhile, I'm trying to organize a few
hundred things here. Hope you got the photo job! Right now, I'm
workin' full time for MAGIC!
Msg #11277 Dated 14:57:11 07-31-91 11270 <--> 11286
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
No bull? MacDonald's (R) only uses cows? One thing fer sure, IBM
ain't doin' much better than me! And Unysis or whatever they call
themselves is about to dump 10,000 people!
At IBM (the computer company, by the way) there is a BIG furor going
on. Ayers (the Chief) made a speech to a small group about how bad
everyone was and someone put it up on their internal version of MAGIC!
There have been 50,000 lines of commentary about it so far - even with
the company trying to delete stuff and put a lid on it. And
Information Week got ahold of the stuff and PRINTED excerpts!
Maybe you're right - maybe I ain't so bad off right now!
Msg #11279 Dated 15:11:08 07-31-91 11217 <--> 11285
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Now, if only his goal was to bring GOOD classical music to pop
listeners!
Pavarotti....bah!!!
'W.
Msg #11280 Dated 15:16:50 07-31-91 11234 <--> 11315
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
HD makes GREAT orange sorbet!
'W.
Msg #11281 Dated 15:18:45 07-31-91 11246 <--> 11287
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
If the movies you are referring to were produced after 1929, you should
also be LISTENING to them.
(Possible exception: Marcel Marceau's newest movie, "My Dinner With
Teller").
'W.
Msg #11285 Dated 16:05:57 07-31-91 11267 <--> 11295
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The contest at DMS is really more like a good show. What ever happend
to the kid who did Dance Magic? I really liked his work (and bg tape)
Msg #11286 Dated 16:06:03 07-31-91 11270 <--> 11352
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Yeah, revenge would be opening a Micky D's in Baghdad.
Msg #11287 Dated 17:24:11 07-31-91 11281 <--> 11291
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
GADS! They've invented TALKIES??? Guess I haven't been to a movie
lately. Is there any truth to the rumor that in Marceau's "My Dinner
With Teller," you played the role of the fireplace?
Msg #11289 Dated 17:49:15 07-31-91
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: TOPIT
Whoever asked Michael Ammar for the address of the tailor in San Diego
who could make a Topit...
If you have not already made arrangements to have it made you might
want to try Ramon Galindo in Austin, Texas. I believe that is where
Michael now lives and has done much business with Ramon in the past and
he recommended him to me. I just received my coat with the Topit
yesterday and he did a beautiful job. Only $34.00 which I think is
VERY reasonable for the quality of work he did.
His address is 209 West 5th St., Austin, Texas 78701. Phone number is
(512) 478-9965.
Msg #11290 Dated 17:55:22 07-31-91 -> 11292
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I remember there was some talk awhile back about wireless mikes. I
just got a Radio Shack flyer with a Realistic FM Wireless Microphone
System for 39.95. 200 foot range, AC operated receiver has mike and
line outputs for your recorder or amplifier. Regularly 69.95.
Is this a good deal???
Msg #11291 Dated 20:09:32 07-31-91 11287 <--> 11293
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
No...I was offered the role of the waiter, but they gave it to Harpo
Marx, who played it posthumously.
'W.
Msg #11292 Dated 20:10:24 07-31-91 11290 <--> 11307
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I have one of those Realistic FM Wireless Mics. It won't work for the
purpose I have since the receiver is large and AC powered. The good
part is that there is a level control and, as you mentioned, mike and
line outputs. Otherwise, I haven't been too crazy about mine. But,
for $39.95 it is a good unit.
Msg #11293 Dated 20:13:05 07-31-91 11291 <--> 11345
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I can see how he would fit the role perfectly. And he sure did play it
posthumously! Absolutely no-one else can do posthumous as well as he
can.
P.S. - is it true that the role of the cook was played by Helen Keller?
Msg #11295 Dated 20:27:30 07-31-91 11208 <--> 11297
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm impressed! Doesn't happen often! Obviously you're doing something
right!
Msg #11296 Dated 20:29:36 07-31-91 -> 11304
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: ALL
Re: TRIX
Hey guys, what is a PK match Levitation?
Msg #11297 Dated 20:35:11 07-31-91 11250 <--> 11300
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Special Status? Me? Really? Boy, I feel special now. Even after voicing
such an unpopular opinion about the state of Classical music...
.
But I promise not to mention _real world_ within these confines again!
Msg #11298 Dated 21:25:55 07-31-91 -> 11305
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
I have been doing some reading again in The Sphinx from the 1940s
looking for a reference to the _First Modern Magic Lecture_ since
Max posed the question some months ago and ran across some
information that relates to discussions of late.
.
It seems that Charles "Think-A-Drink" Hoffman decided to protect
his ideas, act, name of act, etc by Copyright and Trademark. When
the copycats showed up at his door and began to "do" the _think-
a-drink_ act, Hoffman asked them to stop. Well, they didn't and
he TOOK THEM TO COURT and won an injunction against the copiers
plus a damages cash settlement.
.
This case establishes a legal precedent and a copy of the
injunction can be found in the May 1943 The Sphinx just in case
you want to take a look (for precedents sake).
.
So you see, it has been done. Hoffman won.
.
I see where Ron Allessi got that great cover for his
rare/used/etc catalog. From 1944 Magic Calendar published by The
Sphinx. It was a gift to it's readers allowing them to add their
advertising copy and distribute it for adv purposes. Interesting.
.
Well, before I get acused of living too far in the past again, I
think I'll make my exit.
Msg #11299 Dated 21:26:15 07-31-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: THE SPHINX
Arrived today. Thanks for the careful packaging. Perusing as we
speak.
Msg #11300 Dated 21:34:53 07-31-91 11231 <--> 11302
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Okay, look - First of all, you (& Wayne) are not exactly John Q.
Public. Second of all, your little guy(s) is not being raised by John
Q. Public. You are obviously well-educated and somewhat worldly; you
are actively involved in the arts. Among other things, this doesn't
make your experience with classical music even remotely similar to that
of mainstream America. Thirdly, your little guy is at that wonderful
period in life when he's free to experiment & form opinions without
worrying what his friends will say or think. The point I'm trying to
make is that the arts are no longer stressed as strongly to teenagers
and interest in preserving the arts is dwindling. Yes, there are great
pockets of people like you (&, I'm assuming, like Wayne) where children
will be encouraged to learn more about the foundations of the arts. But
these pockets are sadly few. The majority of people in this country
have never heard a live concert or seen live theatre or been in an art
museum, with the exception of elementary school field trips. And,
believe it or not, a majority of people in this country do not own a
classical recording.
Yes, in the '20's people probably did think classics were dead - as a
result, classics didn't really come back with great strength until the
60's & 70's (with a brief rise to the surface in the 40's). For the
most part, they were kept alive in those little "pockets" I mentioned
earlier.
And no, sorry, I don't think we'll be hearing Madonna on Muzak in 100
years. The Beatles, yes, Michael Jackson, maybe, Madonna, I doubt. DoI
still have special status?
Msg #11302 Dated 22:03:42 07-31-91 11295 <--> 11303
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Cindy -
My 2-1/2 years olds FAVORITE video is the
Carreras-Domingo-Pavarotti-Meta concert. He went wild over
the Pavarotti in the Park concert on television last night and demanded
to see the video tonite. Tomorrow evening we plan to take him to the
Hollywood Bowl for the second time and you can't believe how excited he
was tonite when we told him about it.
Between home and school he is exposed to a wide range of music and he
seems to particularly enjoy some of the classics. Maybe his tastes
will change later, but right now he's definitely into classics.
Msg #11303 Dated 22:10:36 07-31-91 11300 <--> 11310
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In addition to the things you mentioned, it is a sadly disappointing
fact that MORE THAN HALF of the adults in this country have NEVER read
an entire book.
But my neighbor next door is an electric meter checker for the
Department of Water and Power - not exactly a glitzy member of the
intelligentsia - and last night his whole family trooped off to the
Hollywood Bowl.
The arts have basically ALWAYS been a minority interest, particularly
in this country. We are one of the first generations that can easily
go to concerts (classical or rock), that can go down to the store and
buy recordings, and that can listen to music by turning on a radio.
We are also one of the first generations to be able to flip a switch
and have a magician like David Copperfield walk into our living rooms
and do miracles.
Msg #11304 Dated 22:19:28 07-31-91 11296 <--> 11394
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: TRIX
It is the levitation of a match through the use of PK (psychokinesis).
It either takes years of mental discipline or a copy of the Chazpro
catalog (603 E. 13th, Eugene, OR 97401, telephone 503-345-0032).
Msg #11305 Dated 22:22:31 07-31-91 11298 <--> 11368
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
Great info, Tabman! Thanks! But I think you are living too far in the
future! Me? I'm reading Mrs. John Sherwood's Manners and Social
Usages. The 1887 edition.
Msg #11306 Dated 22:30:41 07-31-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FILES AREA
In order to make some room around here, I have temporarily removed some
of the full text MAGIC! messages files. The zipped version of these
files remain on-line. If you have a need for any of the inactive
full-text versions, please leave me a message.
Msg #11307 Dated 22:49:35 07-31-91 11292 <--> 11308
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
So would you recommend it for use before an audience of from 50 to a
few hundred?
Msg #11308 Dated 23:07:43 07-31-91 11307 <--> 11369
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
If you are planning on staying a LOT closer to the receiver than 200
feet and you aren't planning on singing, then you certainly can't beat
the price. There are units on the market that are a LOT better, but
they also cost a LOT more - like a couple of times an order of
magnitude more! Try it out in the store and see what you think.
They'll say "but we've got a lot of electronics in here" and you say "I
have a lot of electronics on stage." See if it works for you before
you buy it. Also, if you are going to be plugging into sound systems
on different stages, make sure you check out the section of the store
that has the various adapters and stock up on some of the common ones.
Msg #11310 Dated 23:34:03 07-31-91 10911 <--> 11311
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You know the system we used at FISM. We gave everybody ten seconds. If
they did not captivate by then, we forgot about it and went to the bar!
It may be a hard system but it surely weeds out a lot of bad acts and
just a few, a very few of the reasonavble acts. All good acts come
through the ten second system!
Msg #11311 Dated 23:37:10 07-31-91 10933 <--> 11312
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Unfortunately you are right. Some originators are not good performers,
they a lack a certain something, but invent great material. The best
example of that would be Han van Senus(Ithink I am getting everybody
worried about Han by now).Great ideas, but unfortunately not a great
performer. But a good magician could do his material, like Kaps, who
did some of his effects, and it was really great. But then with Kaps it
was always great!
Msg #11312 Dated 23:40:46 07-31-91 10936 <--> 11314
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It is an art, you need skill to bring that art over the footlights.
Msg #11314 Dated 23:53:11 07-31-91 11311 <--> 11316
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Not necessarily unfortunate, Tommy. Some people are great creators,
some are great performers, and a very few are both. We should not
value one form of expression over the other. The unfortunate part may
be when someone is a great creator but a bad performer and doesn't
recognize it.
Msg #11315 Dated 23:55:41 07-31-91 11197 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INVENTIONS-GENERAL
At least for me, quitting smoking did NOT help the old waistline. I'm
still battling with the pounds I put on when I quit -- 16 months ago!
Msg #11316 Dated 23:59:53 07-31-91 11195 <--> 11318
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, I thought Classical would account for a larger piece of the
pie -- my comments are limited strictly to how it is not as ACTIVE an
art as others, because a very different form of "creating" is going on
Msg #11317 Dated 0:09:00 08-01-91 11223 <--> 11558
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
But don't you REALLY hate messages that end in rhetorical questions?
Msg #11318 Dated 0:14:13 08-01-91 11155 <--> 11319
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Honestly forget how the threat started, but I THINK my point was this
-- that we don't want magic to become like Classical music, because we
would be stuck endlessly reinterpreting the classics. This might or
might not have arisen from discussion of competition testing people's
performance of the classics... That an art that rewarded
reinterpretation over originality, facility over creativity, was
doomed to simper and die.
Msg #11319 Dated 0:16:57 08-01-91 11156 <--> 11320
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
By tyhe way -- see mssg 11318 -- I forgot to congratulate myself for
brining things BACK to magic!
Msg #11320 Dated 0:17:59 08-01-91 10897 <--> 11321
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Gee, Tab, I don't know how to put this, but I think Christmas is older
than basketball. I, mean, The Celtics are a nice team and all, but...
ah, this is weak, never mind.
Msg #11321 Dated 0:19:13 08-01-91 10898 <--> 11322
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah, but Classical is a special case -- reinterpretation is valued so
much so over modern composition that it goes way beyond the way of most
things -- that we're constantly repeating, redoing, the same old
stories and such... For instance, I've had the old "There are seven
basic stories" line plugged into me forever. I have a book that claims
to break all stories down into one of 32 catagories. But I never felt
that writing, or storytelling was really burdened by this, and I don't
think you could make a realy convincing argument that modern literature
and film and theatre and all those are SIMPLY retelling those same old
stories. I take that back -- ou oud maketh agument, but I
wouldn't buy it -- and it's counterintuituve for most, I believe. Yes,
there is the element of commonality to all these things, but there's a
big difference between writing a love story, and calling the author a
copycat because a love story's been done before -- and doing a REMAKE
of an old movie. They're very different. And Classical music is 99%
remakes.
Msg #11322 Dated 0:22:59 08-01-91 11025 <--> 11323
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Pepcid? Tagament?
Msg #11323 Dated 0:23:27 08-01-91 11061 <--> 11325
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Shoot me if you will, but I don't happen to think this is such a bad
idea. If such franchises were thoughtfully, creatively, responsibly
run, they might have the result of spreading magic to a larger segment
of the population, which, contrary to the opinions of many right here,
would be healthier for the art as a whole. Sure, it would create for
hacks and mindless trick-buyers, but by definition it would also create
more geniuses in the field. The interest would perpetuate the field,
creating more of an audiece for magic, as well as creating a larger
economy for the marketed and published effects of those who wished to
reward their creativity in that way...
So let's no instantly poo-poo the idea. Responsibly run, I think it
would be a dang healthy thing. A few more people might know how an Egg
Bag works, but isn't this worth it if just a handful of Micheal
Ammar's, Max Mavens, or Tommy Wonders are created? (Michael Close,
Daryl, the list goes on...)
Msg #11324 Dated 0:27:22 08-01-91 11045 <--> 11330
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I WON!
At what point in the login process does it tell you what number logon
you are?
Msg #11325 Dated 0:40:43 08-01-91 11318 <--> 11326
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Just like in music, I think there is room in magic for a wide variety
of forms of expression. Personally, I find a lot of what pretends to
be contemporary magic is just junk. Then again, there are some pretty
horrible examples of the performance of classic magic that could be
identified.
The point is that there is NO NEED for an either/or situation. There
is plenty of room for both, and plenty of reason to encourage both, in
my magic weltanschauung.
Msg #11326 Dated 0:46:18 08-01-91 11319 <--> 11328
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, you are to be congratulated! We could use a few more examples of
that art around here.
Msg #11327 Dated 0:45:55 08-01-91 -> 11376
From: GARY PLANTS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Tabby, I got your message and everything sounds great. Just keep me
posted on everything. Were you able to find any of the gambling books
that I told you about? Remember, keep me in mind if you ever run
across any dupes!! The trip to LA was great. Spent 5 nights at the
Castle. Everybody was very, very, kind. I'll be back. Keep in touch.
Msg #11328 Dated 0:47:48 08-01-91 11322 <--> 11347
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tagamet! Thanks! Gee, but you are awfully familiar with this line of
pharmaceuticals! Didn't you say you'd recently become engaged to be
married?
Msg #11329 Dated 0:48:48 08-01-91 -> 11343
From: GARY PLANTS
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: BOOK
Mike, Thanks for the copies of your book. Louis sent me one about a
week after I received the copy from you. You should be very pleased
with it. There is a LOT of really great material in it. Thanks again
and keep in touch. Just got back from my first trip to the Castle. It
was a lot of fun. Talk to you soon.
Msg #11330 Dated 0:50:35 08-01-91 11324 <--> 11584
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I WON!
The little box that tells you how many messages there are on the
system, the number of the one you read last and th number of the
highest current message also (as a matter of fact, on the first line)
has something about like "You are caller #..."
Msg #11331 Dated 0:52:52 08-01-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-39
The thirty-ninth set of MAGIC! messages - #9000 (July 18, 1991)
to #9499 (July 24, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-39.TXT. This means that you can
now go to the file area, download this file, and read the thirty-
ninth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-39.ZIP
and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #11332 Dated 0:53:27 08-01-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-40
The fortieth set of MAGIC! messages - #9500 (July 24, 1991) to
#9999 (July 26, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable file.
The file is named MAGIC-40.TXT. This means that you can now go to
the file area, download this file, and read the fortieth volume of
messages off-line. For those who know how to use the PKUNZIP system
for uncompressing files, there is a compressed version of this same
file. It is called MAGIC-40.ZIP and is less than 1/2 the size of
the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #11333 Dated 2:51:02 08-01-91 -> 11398
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
At about 1:37 a.m. we had a brief shutdown for unscheduled maintenance.
MAGIC! service was resumed at 2:42 a.m.
Msg #11334 Dated 2:53:44 08-01-91 -> 11399
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
FINAL NOTICE --- FINAL NOTICE --- FINAL NOTICE --- FINAL NOTICE --- F
I I
N ***************************************** N
A A
L ***** BRUNCH WITH TOMMY WONDER! ***** L
N ***** A SPECIAL WORLD CLASS MAGIC! EVENT ***** N
O O
T ***** SUNDAY, AUGUST 11TH, 1991 ***** T
I I
C ***************************************** C
E E
Tommy Wonder, Internationally Acclaimed Magician and Wizard
Extrodinaire, resident of the Netherlands and honored member of both
MAGIC! and MAGIC-NL, will be in LOS ANGELES on Sunday, August 11th,
as GUEST OF HONOR for a very special MAGIC! Brunch at the MAGIC
CASTLE.
MAGIC! members, whether they are members of the Magic Castle or
not, may attend this no-host event by advance reservation.
Atttendance will be EXTREMELY LIMITED. If you would like to attend,
please leave a public or private message to David Lichtman no later
than 11:59 p.m. Pacific Time on Friday, August 2nd, 1991.
Let's welcome TOMMY WONDER to Los Angeles in true MAGIC! style!
***************
FINAL NOTICE --- FINAL NOTICE --- FINAL NOTICE --- FINAL NOTICE
Msg #11338 Dated 3:58:27 08-01-91 -> 11377
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ACTION TEST
THIS IS A TEST
OF
THE MAGICIAN'S EMERGENCY ACTION NOTIFICATION SYSTEM
REPEAT: THIS IS _ONLY_ A TEST
If this had been an actual alert, you would have been told where to
report and which trick to perform.
THIS CONCLUDES THIS TEST OF
THE MAGICIAN'S EMERGENCY ACTION NOTIFICATION SYSTEM
Msg #11339 Dated 4:06:38 08-01-91 11198 <--> 11378
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORETTI
I located the video of Peter Moretti & Sonya ("The Super-Tells") from
the 1988 FISM, so I'll dub their segment for you and send it off in the
next day or so.
An amusing anecdote: I directed and MC'd that gala. Peter was
concerned with the time-consuming set-up on his final piece, which
requires several crossbows to be carefully set; he asked, therefore,
that I do a voice-over commentary to help set the mood and cover the
necessary time.
When that time came, I moved out from the wings to my microphone,
and began this rather serious voice-over... only to discover that the
mike was not on. So, I called back into the wings to get them to turn
it on. I began again; no go, so another yell into the wings. This went
on for a while, until they finally turned the mike on and I went into
the ad lib commentary.
As the mike was turned off, the audience did not hear these
exchanges. _However_, the NHK microphones picked up everything. So,
when you watch the tape you'll hear me in the background saying
something like, "Ladies and gentlemen, in the -- Hey! Turn this mike
on! ...Ladies and -- Hey!! Hey!!!" and so on.
Msg #11343 Dated 5:52:28 08-01-91 11329 <--> 11402
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: BOOK
Hi Gary! Glad you finally made it out to the Castle, only sorry I
wasn't there to see what the guys thought of your stuff! Do you still
have the photo of Vernon with the footprint on his face?!
Following FISM, Hannah and I drove to Italy to spend a week in
Florence. Driving in Italy means taking you own life into your
hands...
One thing interesting about going through so many museums in such a
short period of time, you begin to notice the 'zombies' of the art
world. Around the 15th century, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE
portrayed the Holy Family - Joseph, Mary, and the baby Jesus. There
were dozens of family paintings, all done during one generation, and
many times, the great artists would do three or four different poses of
this same image.
Then you entered the Pieta' era, where everyone portrayed the death of
Christ. Not just one or two, but again - EVERYONE. Di Vinci,
Michelangelo, Raphael, etc... Artists back then seemed to revolve
around singular themes, beating them to death.
Anyway, go off on a tangent - say hello to Ann, and I'll see you when
I get back up that way. I had planned on visiting my family this
month, back in Bluefield, but some unexpected projects came together
that will postpone that for months. Until later...
Msg #11344 Dated 6:09:21 08-01-91 -> 11379
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PEE WEE HERMAN
Re: PEE WEE
If anyone runs into Pee Wee, tell him the word for today is:
"Stupid"
Get used to it....
Msg #11345 Dated 6:32:57 08-01-91 10746 <--> 11346
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Even Talmage's mud wouldn't help the Orioles...but some do say
that they are definitely a bunch of "mudders"...
Msg #11346 Dated 6:33:10 08-01-91 10749 <--> 11348
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
onno 'bout biro karma, but I been thru there and it is a
beautiful location.
Msg #11347 Dated 6:33:20 08-01-91 10895 <--> 11350
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Must be Salsa...
Msg #11348 Dated 6:33:30 08-01-91 10923 <--> 11357
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Be sure to include a mountain or two. You also might want to
consider making the magicians optional. Howcums the first thing
you are contemplating is the formation of a Guvement????
Msg #11349 Dated 6:33:40 08-01-91 10964 <--> 11405
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Be careful...hip magician judges could be looking for the modus
operandi and not be misdirected as a "normal" spectator would be,
ergo "seeing" the move or graffus might not be fair. Seems only
fair way would be to have a lay judge and if they see something
flash or tipped then "blow the whistle". Obviously, if the magi
don't see anything then that should be a BIG plus!!
Msg #11350 Dated 6:33:57 08-01-91 10968 <--> 11353
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah! Right on Tabman!! I would also add that to a degree, the
better rounded the performer the better he is able to entertain
in my opinion. The more sensitive the performer to the vibes of
the audience. One of magic's problems may be its incestuous nature
and the apparently poor ability of magicians to relate to
reality. Ask Pete what book Leno was reading in the dressing room
in Vegas when we visited him. There, I have stated my opinion and my
position of being in complete agreement with you on freedom of
expression
in message content. I would add that it has been my experience as a
long time BBSer that the sure way to kill an active board is to
restrict or limit the message content. Howsomever, I also agree
that we are all guests here and I will support the position and rules
of
the gentleman who is kind and generous enough to allow our
participation.
I do appreciate his efforts most greatly!!
Msg #11352 Dated 6:34:59 08-01-91 11011 <--> 11382
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Thxs. Be back at ya on the FAX.
Msg #11353 Dated 6:35:05 08-01-91 11013 <--> 11355
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah...were they lucky...they probably could have been republicized
as well.
Msg #11354 Dated 6:35:16 08-01-91 11014 <--> 11360
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTESTS
I believe it prudent to not comment on the juris
Msg #11355 Dated 6:35:21 08-01-91 11015 <--> 11358
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
That's g-o-o-o-d! Nabisco might even let you sell that to 'em.
Msg #11356 Dated 6:35:30 08-01-91 11021 <--> 11430
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FLASH!!!
What versatility! What pizzazz! Pete...this could be the hit of SLC
what the Colon on the spot reviews of this trio!!!
Msg #11357 Dated 6:35:35 08-01-91 11023 <--> 11364
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Understandably the listing of Tabman's credits would be voluminous,
howsomever, the moniker in use at the time sometimes indicates the
particular magic being woven and methought the young damsel might
want all the clues she could get.
Msg #11358 Dated 6:35:46 08-01-91 11037 <--> 11359
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Then polish it lightly before Olga sits on it.
Msg #11359 Dated 6:35:54 08-01-91 11044 <--> 11365
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No problema...that was another life, long, long ago. Howsomever, I
do fancy costumes being a way of expressing oneself as a matter of
daily routine. But could Superman costumes be produced in sufficient
quantity to meet the demands?
Msg #11360 Dated 6:36:06 08-01-91 11046 <--> 11436
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Yes, life is a contest both in the natural and the civilized state.
I admire your guts and adherence to what you believe in. Most would
not be able to do what you did. I saw enough of the academic world
while a graduate student to have serious doubts about remaining in it
then a military tour and the vanish of college teaching positions in
the early '70s completed the decision for me.
Msg #11361 Dated 6:36:19 08-01-91 11047 <--> 11407
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
I forget to purge myself, much less my computer. I mistakenly put
messages into an existing file that already contained messages.
Sorry!
Msg #11364 Dated 6:36:52 08-01-91 11074 <--> 11380
From: BILL WELLS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Actually, I am not sure I have ever met the man. Howsomever, don't
worry about his getting swell headed. If that happened he wouldn't
be able to wear his pink baseball cap without cutting his hair and I
do believe he would be reluctant to part with either the chapeau or
the coiffure. Ego is not one of his obvious features.
Msg #11365 Dated 6:37:07 08-01-91 11079 <--> 11366
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Howsabout Magifestations!
Msg #11366 Dated 6:37:16 08-01-91 11084 <--> 11370
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Anyone who has done any BBSing knows that subscriptions to boards in
some form have become almost a necessity. I think the bigger
question for you might be if you have two levels of users, one being
subscriptors that get most of the nodes and the other being non
subscriptors that have to call a single line and maybe wait for the
line to be free or they might only have access to certain features of
the board. I certainly will not object to a subscription fee for
this board, althought I only belong to one other BBS for which I pay
a fee. Have you considered adding a R S Y or read only your mail
feature to MAGIC! in order to reduce time and messages?
Msg #11367 Dated 6:37:42 08-01-91 11145 <--> 11559
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DARYL
Absolutely am interested! Might even switch from Telix to Procomm in
order to be able to use 'em!
Msg #11368 Dated 8:12:49 08-01-91 11305 <--> 11396
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
Did you ever try Sadler's_The Mind At Mischief_?
Msg #11369 Dated 8:12:52 08-01-91 11307 <--> 11386
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Stan, the thing would be to try it out. Make sure it has enough
low end to make the male voice sound full and natural. If it is the
clip on one from RS, it's a decent mic having been made by Shure Bros
At that price I'm sure it it's a hi-z system so pick up an A3M adap
so you can use it with a pro board if you need.
Msg #11370 Dated 8:12:58 08-01-91 11312 <--> 11371
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, and craft to get the gig.
Msg #11371 Dated 8:13:02 08-01-91 11316 <--> 11372
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I guess the creativity is in the constant re-selling of the same
music by mostly the same artists.
Msg #11372 Dated 8:13:07 08-01-91 11320 <--> 11373
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Not so weak. You got me with that first line til I saw the second,
but I guess there has to be some sort of sacrifice.
Msg #11373 Dated 8:13:12 08-01-91 11321 <--> 11374
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Magic isn't?
Msg #11374 Dated 8:13:15 08-01-91 11323 <--> 11375
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I never said franchise magish shops were a bad idea, but if there
were millions of magicians all knowing how to do the same stuff
after a short period of time there would be nobody for all these
franchise magicians to create their illusions for and the unfortunate
franchise holders would possibly see a real decline in their business
I've seen small shops in malls open with a booming kid trade and
then six months or a year later they were gone because once the kids
had bought all the low cost stuff there was nothing new for them to
buy, or perhaps they'd aquired a new interest. I don't know, but
I think I'd put my money elsewhere looking at it strictly from a
business standpoint.
Msg #11375 Dated 8:13:26 08-01-91 11325 <--> 11381
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Most of those guys who wrote what WE call "classical music" were
simply fulfilling a weekly contract to a church, king, queen, or
whatever. Grinding out the stuff, very formula, on a regular basis.
Msg #11376 Dated 8:13:31 08-01-91 11327 <--> 11427
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Hey Gary, I knew you'd have a great time. Did you go out with Dave
Williamson as planned? I will definately keep you posted on what's
happening with the project. I've been searching down those books
without a lot of luck so far, but haven't turned over all the stones.
Msg #11377 Dated 8:13:37 08-01-91 11338 <--> 11428
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
Got my attention. For sure dude.
Msg #11378 Dated 8:13:40 08-01-91 11339 <--> 11401
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORETTI
That's great Max and much appreciated. That is a funny story. I
appreciate a good laugh first thing in the morning. Let me know what
I owe you for the vhs blank. I'll fax you a check.
Msg #11379 Dated 8:13:45 08-01-91 11344 <--> 11403
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: PEE WEE
I heard Pee Wee, when asked if he wanted a lawyer, said, "No, I'll
handle this one myself."
Msg #11380 Dated 8:13:49 08-01-91 11348 <--> 11384
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
The presence of Guvment creates the illusion of legitimacy in the
collective mind of the masses.
Msg #11381 Dated 8:13:54 08-01-91 11350 <--> 11383
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Likewise, myself. This is an imperfect world, but Dr. Lichtman has
created a magic bbs that is very close to perfection. There is a
magic bbs in Baltimore that has been going for years and in tot there
are only a few hundred messages. I sign on occasionally to get a
message from Howie and to drop him one. Likewise, Spider Net in NYC
which has failed (as far as I know) to get online. There are also
several other magic bbses in locales around the USA but there is
no real content as far as I can tell. This is IT for the US, Magic-NL
being IT for the Euromagi.
Msg #11382 Dated 8:14:03 08-01-91 11352 <--> 11627
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MESSAGES
OK, any time.
Msg #11383 Dated 8:14:07 08-01-91 11355 <--> 11389
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Somebody else probably did it yesterday. Maybe Blackstone.
Msg #11384 Dated 8:14:10 08-01-91 11357 <--> 11385
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Be careful, I may become Flash Gooberman again.
Msg #11385 Dated 8:14:14 08-01-91 11364 <--> 11404
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Actually, I wear the cap to keep the hair outa my eyes, plus it makes
me easy to find in a crowd.
Msg #11386 Dated 8:49:01 08-01-91 11308 <--> 11387
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I don't think I will be more than 20 feet or so from the receiver so
maybe it will work out ok. I'll go try it out, thanks for the advice.
Msg #11387 Dated 8:51:30 08-01-91 11369 <--> 11388
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I'm sure if I ask for an A3M adap for a pro board I will sound like I
know what I'm talking about. What am I talking about?
Msg #11388 Dated 9:20:22 08-01-91 11387 <--> 11411
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
It is a high impedence to low impedence converter, though say "high-z
to low-z transformer" RS converters, etc are also made by shure and
cost half what it would with the shure brand onem. Amateurf equip uses
high z as it is cheaper to make, low z is for pro as it allows for
longer mic cable runs.
Msg #11389 Dated 9:50:58 08-01-91 11275 <--> 11393
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I would reply, but there are too many messages on lately.
Msg #11393 Dated 9:51:13 08-01-91 11285 <--> 11395
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
He did levitation at FISM (girl floated over large fan! Electric
fan, that is... almost grate)
Msg #11394 Dated 9:51:21 08-01-91 11296 <--> 11426
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: TRIX
An expensive trick with a big magnet. It is ok. Try a Royal rising
Pencil!
Msg #11395 Dated 9:51:25 08-01-91 11303 <--> 11406
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Copperfield walk in my living room? Not on my new rug!
Msg #11396 Dated 9:51:29 08-01-91 11305 <--> 11439
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
I have yet to read a complete book.
Msg #11398 Dated 9:51:42 08-01-91 11333 <--> 11454
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
Yah.. I was trying (honest) from about 1:40 (when I got home after
listening to Jazz with Wonder/Healy) until about 2 sumpin... and
was TICKED TO SAY THE MOST!
Msg #11399 Dated 9:51:47 08-01-91 11334 <--> 11415
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
Last night Tommy asked me to make sure all are wearing their thumb
tips and have their Zombie balls ready for inspection! Packet tricks
must include the Biddle Grip, Elmsely Count and Hamman Count, with
at least two color changing back variations. Or forget it.
Msg #11401 Dated 9:51:56 08-01-91 11339 <--> 11408
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORETTI
I would have hoped the Japanese translator would repeat all the
words, verbatum!! Funeeeeeeeee.
Msg #11402 Dated 9:52:01 08-01-91 11343 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: BOOK
And did you know that while the artists were all working the same
themes, all the magicians were in the same boat... All I have read
on the period indicated they were all doing the floating rock, the
appearing lance, the lance to snake, 20th Century (BC) Silks,
and the sucker Toga trick!
Msg #11403 Dated 9:52:08 08-01-91 11344 <--> 11409
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Now we know what WAS Pee Wee -- HIS BRAIN!
Msg #11404 Dated 9:52:11 08-01-91 11348 <--> 11410
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Any benevolant King or Dictator must form a government so he can
have his desciples overthrow it every once in a while.
As Mel Brooks said, in History of the World Part I, "Hey, it's
nice being King!"
Msg #11405 Dated 9:52:18 08-01-91 11349 <--> 12345
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Probably... TOMMY WONDER last night said, in close up, one of the
judges should stand right behind the performer looking over his
shoulder to try to catch mistakes! Hah... luv it...
Msg #11406 Dated 9:52:24 08-01-91 11350 <--> 11414
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Gee Bill, I didn't know there was a book in Leno's dressing room.
Did you see one? What wuz it? Erdnase? Wha, wha.. you got me
curious.... I only remember we got in free, he picked up the tab,
and snuck us into the dressing room, waited on us, made us a
sandwich, poured the drinks and was Truly interested in talking to
you, your wife, nagel and... gee, what a weekend, the same way
we were treated by Siegfried and Roy and Bernie Human. er Yuman.
Msg #11407 Dated 9:52:33 08-01-91 11361 <--> 11437
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
I am doing that now. Down with Purges!
Msg #11408 Dated 9:52:38 08-01-91 11378 <--> 11443
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORETTI
FAx me a check and i will fax you the video! Hahhh....
MC story. Fea Elisa, a gorgeous lady performer from Germany was
just finishing her act, in which when she is done there is not
much in the way of clothing left on her. End of act also has a
loud Rock N Roll tape playing... she finishes, goes offstage and
I start to do something, as MC, but the music KEEPS PLAYING, louder
than you know what... I try to speak, MUSIC KEEPS PLAYING...
KEEPS PLAYING... Finally I step back, pull curtain aside to look
backstage and there she is TAKIN OFF THE REST OF CLOTHES, NEXT
TO HER TABLE near the stge crew... and THEY ARE ALL JUST STARING
AT HER.... COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS TO FACT THAT THE TAPE IS STILL
ROARING AWAY....
Msg #11409 Dated 9:52:51 08-01-91 11379 <--> 11429
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PEE WEE
How to WIND UP A CAREER ON ONE STROKE!
Msg #11410 Dated 9:52:54 08-01-91 11380 <--> 11419
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
And allows you to collect taxes!
Msg #11411 Dated 9:52:58 08-01-91 11386 <--> 11412
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
You didn't ask, but. Why can't you use a lavalier mike with a
trailing cord? I used to think I "had to have a wireless" but after
many, many failures, low quality, etc. I started to use a lavalier.
At first I thought the wire would get in the way, etc. But after
only a few uses the wire became totally forgotten, never had any
trouble with it and the sound quality was SO FAR SUPERIOR.
I used a SHURE clip that went around my neck (most others are too
noticable and not secure) that has a little clip, like a tie clip,
that keeps it in place. The few clips I have seen made by and sold
by Magic shops are usually NG and made from Mop Holders you find
in a hardware store.
I also have a bag with various adapters, male/female, RCA, etc.
so that I could link into nearly all amplifiers in the clubs.
However, after I put all this together nearly every place I worked
had a terrific system in place. Ninety percent of the mikes come
off the stand and will fit right into the SHURE clip.
Darwin Ortiz had a wireless system at his lecture in Baltimore. He
had the reciever/speaker about 12 feet away and he had trouble
with it. Feedback, funny sounds, etc.
Sheets had his wireless system at the comedy club show and he had
trouble with his. One other guy spent half an hour before the show
trying to get his to sound right.... enuf?
Msg #11412 Dated 9:53:20 08-01-91 11387 <--> 11413
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Probably a $3,000 adap.
Msg #11413 Dated 9:53:24 08-01-91 11387 <--> 11446
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Was just kidding on prev msg.
Msg #11414 Dated 9:53:05 08-01-91 11319 <--> 11421
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Boy, I'm glad YOU did - I couldn't figure out a clean way to do it!
Msg #11415 Dated 10:01:49 08-01-91 11334 <--> 11455
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
Any details yet on official meeting time, etc?
Msg #11416 Dated 10:05:28 08-01-91 -> 11417
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: IBM SWAP MEET
I'd like to try to make the annual swap meet in Sept. Where is it goig
to be held?
Msg #11417 Dated 10:38:41 08-01-91 11416 <--> 11495
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: IBM SWAP MEET
We are still not sure where our new meeting location is going to be. We
have outgrown the Wattles Mansion and besides our contract expires this
month soooooo we are currently looking for a new meeting location. I
will post the new location to MAGIC! as soon as I know.
Msg #11419 Dated 10:48:48 08-01-91 11293 <--> 11422
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Now, if you expect me to take bait and comeback with a line like, "Yes,
originally, but she had to be replaced after she got her script
mixed up with the waffle iron." ...if you expect me to do a line
like that...predictable and tasteless...you are sadly mistaken.
No way you'll ever see me type such a message!!!
'W.
Msg #11421 Dated 10:53:43 08-01-91 11295 <--> 11423
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks...but people who know me will attribute such qualities in our
children to maternal genetics.
'Wayne.
Msg #11422 Dated 11:00:24 08-01-91 11357 <--> 11424
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
True - the monikers are sometimes clues to the type of Tabman we are
seengat the time. Sometimes they are clues to the phases of the
moon, and I have a suspicion that one of 'em was a clue to an upcoming
earthquake.
Msg #11423 Dated 11:00:20 08-01-91 11323 <--> 11425
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We will disagree on this one, Evan.
If you have any interest in why, please re-read the infamous thread of
a few months ago in which we so violently disagreed.
Since my Maalox supply is low, I will leave it at that.
'W.
Msg #11424 Dated 11:04:43 08-01-91 11419 <--> 11431
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
You know, this thing is turning into quite a concept! Done right, it
could rival "Young Frankenstein!" Or, possibly, even "Plan 9 From
Outer Space!"
Msg #11425 Dated 11:05:57 08-01-91 11374 <--> 11432
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
...and also from a "What's good for Magic" standpoint!!!
'W.
Msg #11426 Dated 11:07:29 08-01-91 11394 <--> 11561
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: TRIX
Just make sure you keep it away form Diskettes, videotapes, audio
tapes, etc......
Msg #11427 Dated 11:09:25 08-01-91 11327 <--> 11563
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: MESSAGE
You impressed lotsa folks during your Castle visit, Gary.
'W.
Msg #11428 Dated 11:12:47 08-01-91 11338 <--> 11450
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
I like it David!!!!! I was already grabbin for my deck of cards when I
relized it was only a test.
Msg #11429 Dated 11:14:34 08-01-91 11344 <--> 11444
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: PEE WEE
As Robert Klein said, "Pee Wee, get a VCR!"
'W.
Msg #11430 Dated 11:16:52 08-01-91 11356 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FLASH!!!
I can't wait!
'W.
Msg #11431 Dated 11:18:17 08-01-91 11424 <--> 11445
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Or maybe even, "If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Gilligan's Island."
'W.
Msg #11432 Dated 11:11:48 08-01-91 11366 <--> 11433
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks for your suggestions, Bill. I do want to make sure that we do
not harm anyone who simply can't afford the fee. Will think on the
"read only your mail" feature, along with others. Appreciate your
involvement.
Msg #11433 Dated 11:25:40 08-01-91 11375 <--> 11447
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Gasp! You mean that the grinders were the _professional_ musicians???
Weren't the Royal contracts sorta like the NEA?
Msg #11436 Dated 11:45:10 08-01-91 11360 <--> 12350
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Thanks. At the time it WAS a pretty gutsy move. I quit a couple of
months before I had another job. Fortunately, what I did land was THE
job, the one that, at the time, was considered the top plum in the
field.
Msg #11437 Dated 11:50:02 08-01-91 11361 <--> 11470
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
It is important to keep your computer regular. Some of mine are
currently still somewhat incontinent - they purge themselves.
Msg #11439 Dated 11:54:13 08-01-91 11368 <--> 11440
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
No, but I have read H. Allen Smith's "The Complete Practical Joker."
Msg #11440 Dated 11:54:59 08-01-91 11396 <--> 11471
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
No book is complete - sooner or later the editor just takes it away
from the author.
Msg #11443 Dated 12:00:58 08-01-91 11408 <--> 11513
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORETTI
Now, that is a great example of misdirection.
Msg #11444 Dated 12:01:01 08-01-91 11409 <--> 11469
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PEE WEE
I heard Pee Wee was fast, and that's fast.
Msg #11445 Dated 12:01:04 08-01-91 11410 <--> 11458
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
That would be a switch.
Msg #11446 Dated 12:01:07 08-01-91 11412 <--> 11449
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
9.95 for the adapter and 2,990.05 for the advice.
Msg #11447 Dated 12:01:10 08-01-91 11425 <--> 11448
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes!
Msg #11448 Dated 12:01:12 08-01-91 11433 <--> 11459
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Guys like Bach, Papa H, etc were on the payroll. Don't you know
where the term (really!!) ROYALTY came from. Check it all out in
Russel Sanjek's 7 Vol History of the Music Business. They were
just hacking for the bread and if they didn't hack out some new
stuff, they got the hook. Lots of those guys were workers for big
churches, etc and had to come up with a new one every Sunday morning
to help get the money in the plate; or did they use a wheel barrow?
Msg #11449 Dated 11:58:00 08-01-91 11411 <--> 11475
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Donno, Pete - I've used both a wired mic and a wireless. With the wire
type I clip it to my belt with a small loop up to the holder. Still,
I wander a lot and, while you are right, it is easier than it looks, I
still have to sometimes pick up the cord and yank it when I move out
into the audience, or I end up with a loop left hanging off the stage,
or something like that that I feel doesn't look all that smooth.
The wirelesses do have the problems you mentioned, they can be useful
in some situations. One potential problem is that most of 'em,
especially the low price ones, operate in the 49-MegaHertz band and
only operate on a single channel. 49-Meg is also used by the headsets
that you guys used in Baltimore for the stage crew, sometimes by other
communications systems in the area, a few older cordless phones, etc.
Since most of the wireless units only have one channel, if there is
interferrence, you're stuck.
Msg #11450 Dated 12:07:54 08-01-91 11377 <--> 11451
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
It was very close to 4 a.m. - I'd just put in about 3 hours doing a bit
of emergency rescue on MAGIC! and had done some calling back and forth
to the Middle East. Felt the need to do something different. Did the
beeps arrive OK?
Msg #11451 Dated 12:10:25 08-01-91 11428 <--> 11476
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
There is a similar system involving the UP/AP wires in radio and
television stations. There have been a few false alarms over the
years. In each case, the guys on duty have NEVER responded by
activating the public Emergency Broadcast System procedure. Nowhere,
not one place in the U.S. Instead, some have simply put on a long
album and gone home! Others have been known to quietly go to the
restroom and change their underwear.
Msg #11454 Dated 12:20:40 08-01-91 11398 <--> 11480
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
You think YOU were ticked! You shoulda been HERE! At least things on
the computer front SEEM to be coming together. Still some pain and
agony though. I sent a fax yesterday and the pages came out TWICE AS
BIG as the originals!
All in all though, I think MAGIC! has had a VERY GOOD uptime record.
Certainly better than most bank ATMs!
Msg #11455 Dated 12:23:24 08-01-91 11399 <--> 11456
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
We are working on plan to allow ample time and space for inspection.
Tell Tommy we are expecting him to do a full show, on stage, with a
wireless mic.
Msg #11456 Dated 12:24:31 08-01-91 11415 <--> 11483
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
Details on the official starting time of the Brunch are still sketchy,
but will let you know as soon as I know.
Msg #11458 Dated 12:26:32 08-01-91 11431 <--> 11494
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Yeah, but we gotta get some mojo into the script. Maybe the Butler
turns Teller into a jelly donut?
Msg #11459 Dated 12:28:48 08-01-91 11448 <--> 11461
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks. I knew that. Still is remarkable what some of 'em were able
to do under those conditions.
Msg #11461 Dated 12:58:37 08-01-91 11350 <--> 11464
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You are a MEMBER of MAGIC!, not a guest! I just try to keep things
going and try to strike a balance. Also, I clean the ashtrays and
glasses.
Msg #11464 Dated 15:24:54 08-01-91 11314 <--> 11467
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You are right. It is not necessarily unfortunate. It all has its value
and place. It's just that when I see someone with great potential, that
I feel it is a pity when they cannot perform very well. It would be so
nice when someone with great ideas, would also be a great performer.
Wishfull thinking here on my part.
Msg #11467 Dated 15:34:16 08-01-91 11464 <--> 11474
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think that the two talents - creating and performing - are really
very different skills. Jim Steinmeyer, for example, says that he has
no desire to get up on a stage. And John Gaughan looks positively
terrified in front of an audience, unless an automaton or a creation of
his is speaking for him.
It is nice when the two skills coincide, but they don't have to.
Msg #11468 Dated 15:37:09 08-01-91 -> 11482
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CREDIT?
One of the pseudonyms that I use for market testing just got
_preapproved_ for a credit card with a $2,500 line of credit! I LOVE
the way the system works!
Msg #11469 Dated 15:58:55 08-01-91 11429 <--> 11473
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Where do you see/hear Robert Klein these days? Huh, huh, tell me,
Mister...
Msg #11470 Dated 15:58:59 08-01-91 11437 <--> 12347
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
Yeah, they purge themselves right into our screens. Yarghj...
Msg #11471 Dated 15:59:03 08-01-91 11440 <--> 11536
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
Well, at the places I buy books many pages are torn out for more
important useage.
I remember one time in New Jersey, in unheated army barracks, we
were standing around an empty coffee can reading. Saying "read
faster the fire's going out" -- see as each page was read it was
torn out and thrown to the fire! Sure hope they weren't important
books. I recall one being a Scot, the other two Deans.... argh?
Msg #11473 Dated 15:59:19 08-01-91 11444 <--> 11487
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Pee Wee (here I go again repeating a joke I heard) was asked if he
wanted a lawyer, sed, "No, I will handle myself".... argh argh argh
argh argh argh argh argh argh argh argh argh (plus 12 more arghs)?
Msg #11474 Dated 15:59:25 08-01-91 11448 <--> 11481
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I can believe it. Court Jesters were in the same league. AS were
the Astronomers, et al... "Find me a new moon, our you'll be
walking the streets of Abbysinia, Leonardo!!!"
Msg #11475 Dated 15:59:31 08-01-91 11449 <--> 11489
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I know a few performers that get lots of laffs, etc. out of the
mike cord and how they handle it. So it is a plus. I just don't like
the potential problems with Wireless.
Msg #11476 Dated 15:59:38 08-01-91 11450 <--> 11564
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
The beeps sent me reeling into the next room!
Msg #11480 Dated 15:59:49 08-01-91 11454 <--> 11588
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
HEY YOU IS RIGHT. YOU IS FROG. YOU IS ALMIGHTY, RIGHT? NO? Who is?
Msg #11481 Dated 15:59:52 08-01-91 11464 <--> 11488
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The ultimate high is in front of an audience. Just a surmize but
wooden most great inventors really like to be great performers.
Msg #11482 Dated 15:59:57 08-01-91 11468 <--> 11571
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CREDIT?
Now, this bbs just got important. How'd you do that?
Msg #11483 Dated 15:59:53 08-01-91 11455 <--> 11496
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
He was rehearsing all day and will come to my famed and wonder
ful
Grand Hotel Kroznopolski II, this Saturday for a critique. I have
my new whistle ready, altho he said he would switch mine out for
one with NO BALL. I could tweet to my hearts content and no one
will know
it!
Argh? No, not this time.
(Those of you that do not know, The Grand Hotel Kroznopolski is
a real hotel in Amsterdam. Until the Hotel de Carlo, the Kroz, as
I call it, was my favorite named hotel in the world. Next to the
Grand Hotel du Cap Ferrat (where I stayed while working in Monte
Carlo one time!
David Niven's place was next door! yar....
Msg #11487 Dated 16:29:30 08-01-91 11473 <--> 11493
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Amazing how jokes and stuff get around the USA so fast. I heard
that one yesterday from an underwear salesman.
Msg #11488 Dated 16:29:34 08-01-91 11474 <--> 11497
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Best gig would of probably been the Queen's tennis pro.
Msg #11489 Dated 16:29:38 08-01-91 11475 <--> 11502
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Dave Williamson used an antiquated lavalier to hold the SM-55 mic
taht was on the stand. We gave him 100 feet of cable and he ran all
over the room like it was nothing. In fact, on him it looked good.
Msg #11490 Dated 17:52:21 08-01-91 11103 <--> 12353
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS FLYER
Did you realize the car was originally touted as a pollution control
device. All those horse droppings (and the Amish around that area
still use them) were leaving the streets a mess and the odor was bad!!!
The car was supposed to solve all that. I don't know whether this is
a comment on look how far we have progressed or on how good the good
old days really were???????
Msg #11491 Dated 17:55:08 08-01-91 11104 <-
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INVENTIONS - GENERAL
True from three points of view. 1) Kalamazoo has a News Years Fest and
last January several of the acts were magicians. The background music,
probably taped was poor quality (ie scratchy etc) and it really
detracted from the performance. 2) SOme one should teach these people
that you make a message with the music as well as all else and it
should fit. I do travel slide shows for fun too and Marilyn and I
spend considerable time and effort selecting the music / GL+3 to
match what we are saying or to convey a feeling ect. For example with
Bryce Canyon NP we use ABBA "I had a Dream" and Frank Mills "Music Box
Dancer" to highlight the dream like surreal atmosphere we felt. Too
oftem magic shows that use music use it as MUZAK to numb the mind.
Lastly is the metaphysical "music" we make when we perform and
sometimes I wonder whether performers look at that either.
Randy
Msg #11493 Dated 18:27:33 08-01-91 11469 <--> 11498
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PEE WEE
I see Robert occasionally, but the quote I was referring to was
broadcast on the Tonight Show.
'W.
Msg #11494 Dated 18:28:36 08-01-91 11458 <--> 11545
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Nahh...it would attract too many cops.
'W.
Msg #11495 Dated 19:08:42 08-01-91 11417 <-
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: IBM SWAP MEET
Okay, thanks!
Msg #11496 Dated 19:09:29 08-01-91 11456 <--> 11591
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
Okey dokey
Msg #11497 Dated 19:15:18 08-01-91 11432 <--> 11499
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
But if you're new (as I was mere days ago) and you have to read only
your mail, you have no way of knowing who else could be talking or what
you could be responding to! Not to mention, who's going to leave you
mail if they don't know you're there? I think this thing is great the
way it is. A fee would be an absolutely reasonable request, but limit
the mail you could read? Come now (no Pee Wee pun intended) (did I say
that?)
Msg #11498 Dated 19:33:51 08-01-91 11403 <--> 11500
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Maybe that could be the name of his next movie - Pee Wee's Pee Wee!
Msg #11499 Dated 19:48:57 08-01-91 11154 <--> 11501
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In the larger world of art, where there are perceived competencies, you
are correct. Magic, however, is generally thought of by laypersons as
a non-art, because of the level at which it is usually performed. I'm
not sure magic can at this point afford the luxury of self-amusement or
whatever.
The interesting thing is that many innovative performers exist out
there in the real world, and they usually are not fostered or
encouraged by magic clubs. Art does not have to be non-commercial by
definition.
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