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Msg #11500 Dated 20:20:25 08-01-91 11429 <--> 11504
From: T A WATERS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Uh -- people -- Pee Wee hasn't even been tried yet, let alone convicted
-- except, of course, in the media...
Msg #11501 Dated 20:21:21 08-01-91 11157 <--> 11505
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If you're defining classical music as "old", then of course none could
logically be being written -- but in fact a lot of symphonic work,
etc., is being done today. I am not sure what you mean by "it is all
there is."
Msg #11502 Dated 20:23:14 08-01-91 11411 <--> 11508
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I think you've convinced me. If I can't go first class it's not worth
it to get a cheaper wireless microphone. If you are going to have
people come up on stage would you want a microphone that you can have
them speak into when asking their name or whenever they are speaking in
the act? A lavaliere as I understand it i clipped to the lapel so if
a person mumbled his answer you would have to repeat it for the rest of
the audience. How does the lavaliere compare with those rings around
the neck that some performers stick the microphone into?
Msg #11504 Dated 21:09:07 08-01-91 11500 <--> 11510
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Uh....T A....Pee Wee isn't going to be tried. Paul Reubens is.
He is a public figure in a public predicament getting a lot of public
attention and, as such, is fair game for public comment, humorous or
otherwise.
The basis of my comments are the accusations and his predicament, not
his innocence or guilt...that is for a courts to decide.
'W.
Msg #11505 Dated 21:26:11 08-01-91 11481 <--> 11509
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thomas A. Edison was a great performer. My favorite performance of
his was when he called the press in to see his "latest" invention.
He had a table with wires running to a glass globe-like affair in
the center. When they all gathered close, he leaned over the bulb
and said, "HELLO?"
.
I use this often.
.
Some of you will think I am nuts. I may be.
Msg #11508 Dated 21:26:39 08-01-91 11489 <--> 11511
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Thass wat I wuz asayyin.... it works... bwah
Msg #11509 Dated 21:26:43 08-01-91 11497 <--> 11515
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The read only yore own mail is an OPTION... would not be stuk with
it... you decide what you want when you log in.
Msg #11510 Dated 21:26:48 08-01-91 11500 <--> 11530
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Unfortunately ALMOST all trials are done and over with before they
start LEGALLY by perception and that comes from the media coverage.
I have always advocated that the media coverage of a trial should
be printed AFTER THE TRIAL IS OVER WITH! Many will probably dis-
agree with me on that. But it is my opionion. And since it has to
do with magic (I was palming a card at the time) it is OK on this
board.
Msg #11511 Dated 21:26:57 08-01-91 11502 <--> 11516
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Rings around the neck. YECK, I have seen those. Trust me. Just go
into a professional music supply store and tell them you want the
SHURE BROS. mike clip. It is small, a chain goes around your neck,
the clip is almost not noticeable, has a spring clip (like a tie
clip) to hold it in place and the Mike goes in and out with ease.
If you need to interview someone you just lift it out, hold the
mike to the person, they speak, you put it back.
If you want to be ready for anything... you can purchase OTHER size
clips, etc. But 99-percent of the time the small SHURE BROS. will
do the job.
The other option is your own lavalier mike. You see these on
people doing TV, they clip on and again FOR GOOD SOUND YOU PAY A
LOT OF DOUGH!!!! But the problem with these is that you can't
let someone else talk into them without that person looking like
they are biting your neck. In some cases that would be OK.
A new development is a floor mike. The NHK (Public TV crew from
Japan at FISM) CREW had a mike laying on the floor. It was a funny
shape (almost a flattened Pyramid) and seemed to be doing the job.
I think Tabby knows what they were, you might ask him.
But, believe me, the working act needs only the clip and takes the
mike off the stand that is there FREE.
Another worry is IMPEDENCE. If you bring your own stuff in, some
are not balanced to the amplifiers. There are correcting devices,
but often you don't have the opportunity to experiment and test.
Hope this has given you a little insight and helps you to make the
right decision.
Again, if you keep running into lousy sound equipment, and have
the budget to bring your own SYSTEM in, fine. But don't try to
match part of your stuff to existing systems.
Msg #11512 Dated 21:32:07 08-01-91 -> 11596
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SYSOP
Re: HWD BOWL
How was the concert?
Msg #11513 Dated 21:53:22 08-01-91 11378 <--> 11522
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORETTI
Nah, this one's on me.
Msg #11515 Dated 21:55:42 08-01-91 11505 <--> 11518
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You should give credit for that one...
...Jack Carter, 1952.
.
.
By the way...are you in Colon yet?????
If so...what's going on there????
'W.
Msg #11516 Dated 21:56:14 08-01-91 11511 <--> 11521
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
It's all a matter of taste. Myself, I will not work with a lav. My
contract rider calls for a straight stand (as opposed to a boom or
gooseneck) with a detachable hand-mike. And, my preference is for a
corded mike rather than radio/cordless.
Msg #11518 Dated 22:24:24 08-01-91 11505 <--> 11525
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
That's great. The talking light bulb. Edison is one of my heros
anyway. I have a great photo of him with an early cylinder player.
I should frame it up sometime and put him on the wall of shame, er
fame. Is that true, or is that another of your famous lines? If you
is crazy, so what?
Msg #11521 Dated 22:24:43 08-01-91 11511 <--> 11560
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
PZM! A3M!
Msg #11522 Dated 22:24:46 08-01-91 11513 <--> 12338
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MORETTI
I owe you lunch next time.
Msg #11525 Dated 23:05:43 08-01-91 11467 <--> 11527
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
They certainly do not have to coincide, but it is nice if it does. A
good creator usually has a good sense of what good magic is about. That
understanding is certainly something which can help someone to be a
good performer. But it takes more to perform, you are quite right.
Msg #11527 Dated 23:09:12 08-01-91 11481 <--> 11532
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Iventing stuff can be an ulimate high as well, it depends what you like
more. I personally enjoy working out something as very challenging, may
be even more than performing, but I like both very much.
I donot know if greatinventors also would like to be performers. It is
really something if youhave succes in front of an audience with your
own inventions.
Msg #11530 Dated 0:05:10 08-02-91 11504 <--> 11531
From: T A WATERS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Yes, Wayne, I know Rubens is his real name -- but the coverage has been
about Pee Wee, as have the comments here. Given some of the
journalistic "standards" in this country, I am not sure that taking
them as moral arbiters is the most constructive thing to do. My point
specifically addressed the question of his already assumed guilt by the
media.
Ah, but it happens all the time -- Lizzie Borden WAS acquitted, but
it took half a century for her name to be cleared.
Msg #11531 Dated 0:09:26 08-02-91 11510 <--> 11535
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Isn't that the way the British handle pre-trial coverage?
Msg #11532 Dated 0:10:39 08-02-91 11527 <--> 11538
From: T A WATERS
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What I like is the coalescing -- working out something in theory and
thinking, "that'll play" -- and then performing it and finding out that
it does; that moment in which theory is confirmed is one of the best
that can be experienced.
Msg #11535 Dated 0:26:23 08-02-91 11530 <--> 11565
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
And I believe that her (Lizzie Borden's) name was never cleared as far
as nursery rhymes go... "Lizzie Borden took an axe, gave her mother
forty wacks."
Msg #11536 Dated 0:28:00 08-02-91 11471 <--> 11562
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
Once read a book about a guy who failed to climb Mt. Everest and who
went into a funk and remained in the Sherpa village. He missed two
things - reading material and a Western toilet. He constructed a
Western style outhouse for himself and one day a Sherpa told him about
a cache of books left from previous expeditions. He eagerly seized on
this and used the books for two purposes. The outstanding line was,
"Spring came, and I was halfway through War and Peace..." I can't
remember the author's name, but Morrison comes to mind, maybe.
Msg #11537 Dated 0:26:31 08-02-91 -> 11666
From: LYNN HEALY
To: ALL
Re: SPEED COURSE DUTCH
To MAGIC!-NL Arnaud Van.Rietschoten
.
In San Francisco and certain parts of L.A. (West Hollywood for
instance), you can get rather surprising results by asking people to
show you their "ballen". In fact, as long as you're willing to show
someone your zombie (ballen) you should have no shortage of people
willing to show you all the card tricks you want (er eentje of meer te
trekken).
Msg #11538 Dated 0:35:09 08-02-91 11328 <--> 11539
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, I do not experience acid stomach or pre-ulcerous conditions.
I produce them in others.
Msg #11539 Dated 0:36:27 08-02-91 11371 <--> 11540
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah -- and the CD revolution is just that, in many ways. I can't tell
you how many times I've bought performances on CD that I own perfectly
good vinyl copies of. It's fear of degradation (vinyl). The search
for that elusive better-quality. But I think it also comes down to the
fact that CD's are sexy.
Msg #11540 Dated 0:38:19 08-02-91 11373 <--> 11541
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Not in the same way -- I really believe this. People are striving to
invent new things -- not always successfully -- but they are, and
innovations and the like make Magic an ever-changing art. The more you
know, like Max, the more I'm sure it all does seem to be
reinterptration -- but I'll go out on a limb and say there is a big,
qualitative difference. So there.
Msg #11541 Dated 0:36:03 08-02-91 11497 <--> 11542
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks for your input, Cindy. The "Read only your mail" that Wells was
suggesting would be an option, not a requirement. Some systems deal
with an expanding message base in a variety of ways. A couple of
months ago I suggested the possbility of going to multiple sections.
That only works if there are people who choose not to read some
sections, otherwise you are back where you started. Not one MAGIC!
member could identify a section that he or she would turn off.
By the way, on MAGIC!, if we did have sections, there is no need to
read all the messages in one section, then change sections like there
are on some systems. All the sections that the individual is signed up
for still appear seamlessly.
Msg #11542 Dated 0:39:54 08-02-91 11374 <--> 11543
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My money, as well. I wasn't accusing you or knee-jerkdom, but I felt
there was some derision on the board in general. I erely want to
point out it's not an obviously horrible idea, in my opinion. Also,
the notion of everyone knowing everyone else's tricks would not happen
-- only so many people, percentage-wise, are ever going to be
interested enough in magic as to go out and study it. More magic shops
would get us CLOSER to that percentage. I intuit that we're nowhere
near saturation... In terms of the magic shop that lost it's juice
after the first six months, I think this kind of thing can be avoided
if it is well run. What little I know of Brad Burt's operation, I see
heplaces heavy emphasis on classes -- this engenders a more serious
interest than that which would be surrendered after six months.
Msg #11543 Dated 0:41:01 08-02-91 11499 <--> 11544
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I certainly agree that there are many innovative performers who choose
not to involve themselves in magic clubs, etc. And that may be sad, in
that it speaks poorly about the value of associations within magic. On
the other hand, it is entirely within someone's rights not to be
involved in associations.
Since I don't think there is _a_ "magic," I don't think that it is
reasonable to deny any individual the "luxury of self-amusement or
whatever." I think that any decision on when to perform, what to
perform, or who to perform in front of (if choosing to perform at all)
is very much up to the individual.
As to magic being a non-art in the minds of laypersons, I am aware of
no published evidence to support that statement. Some time ago I
suggested that a survey of public attitudes toward magic might be
something worth doing. I truly don't think we have any real idea of
what the public perception of magic is.
Msg #11544 Dated 0:44:51 08-02-91 11423 <--> 11546
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Come on, Wayne, don't cut me off like that. I'd be interested in a
measured discussion of the issue, as long as we could do it WITHOUT the
kind of passion that would move you to reach for the Maalox.
I'm actually interested in what you think. I can't completely predict
your arguments here based on the infamous thread, but, if I thought
about it, would have to assume you had philosophical objections.
Anyway, I am interested in any discussion with you, as long as we don't
violently disagree. And I don't think we will, if we try not to (the
violently part). So if you think discussion of this issue would be
illuminating, I'd love to hearPs uG
/ * .O2{ x oour thoughts.
Msg #11545 Dated 0:49:34 08-02-91 11192 <--> 11547
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Safeguarder I'm good at. I can pinch pennies so had Lincoln becomes
clean-shaven. I'm serious about the dome, hope you are too !
Msg #11546 Dated 0:48:10 08-02-91 11505 <--> 11549
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Msg #11547 Dated 0:49:38 08-02-91 11287 <--> 11548
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
No he was the gatekeeper, smoking a cigar.
Msg #11548 Dated 0:49:51 08-02-91 11424 <--> 11594
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I think you ought to model it after the "Attack of the Killer Tomatoe
s", an all time 'classic' of the type of film you are discussing.
Msg #11549 Dated 0:49:54 08-02-91 11076 <--> 11550
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I know what you mean. I had a box at the Hoolywood Bowl on Friday
nights for years, and finally gave it up when the 'classical' concert
consisted of Florence Henderson and Anthony Newlly - Eccch. Switched
over to Thursday nights, which was supposed to be hard-core classic
and was still dissappointed. It seems like everything else you have
to play what sells. The weekend Bowl concerts became too popsie
for my tastes.
.
Now have seasons tickets to Irvine Meadows 'classic' series which
is pretty good. Only problem is that Orange County audiences treat
classical music, like jazz - they clap after each movement, and after
the solist finishes a riff - really throws the orchestra's timing off
but hey its better than nothin'.
Msg #11550 Dated 0:50:13 08-02-91 11079 <--> 11551
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Maybe we could get the Tabman table to replace the DOS FAT table.
(that's the File Allocation Table, for you compulumpen).
Msg #11551 Dated 0:50:21 08-02-91 11086 <--> 11552
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The small RF race cars sold by radio shack should be ideal for this.
The joystick actually gives two different outputs and could be used
to run a small servo. I use one on my robot when I want to take
manual control. Let me know what your application is and I could
probably make one up for you.
Msg #11552 Dated 0:50:31 08-02-91 11130 <--> 11553
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I doubt it. You see there will always be a slightly competent guy
who slips in and takes the prize, and next year a guy a little more
competent, etc. until you get to a level that we have now. A few
really good, and a bunch not so good.
Msg #11553 Dated 0:50:40 08-02-91 11131 <--> 11554
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Go to your local Winchells and do cop magic !
Msg #11554 Dated 0:50:46 08-02-91 11147 <--> 11555
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Ah - this is a very interesting observation. If we only had some way
of determining the frame of 'collective' mind of a given audience
we could have a killer act every time. Everyone that has ever
performed in front of an audience knows the feeling of being right on
and other times the same material flops. We tend to feel that we were
at fault, when in fact it may have been the audience - sounds like a
good rationalization for poor performance.
Msg #11555 Dated 0:51:00 08-02-91 11154 <--> 11556
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Some art is only appreciated by one person - the creator ! (and I
don't mean the big spirit in the sky).
Msg #11556 Dated 0:51:07 08-02-91 11297 <--> 11557
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It's not that you can't mention _real world_, it's just that no one
on here knows what that is !
Msg #11557 Dated 0:51:13 08-02-91 11310 <--> 11566
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
A truly wonderful idea. In old vaudiville days, the audience would
bring all kinds of over-ripe fruit and veggies, and let the performer
know right away what they thought of his act. We've become too
civilized for this type of behaviour now days. Maybe that's why we
have to suffer through so much crap. Sad to say, I feel you have to
see a lot of bad-magic in order to see good-magic, I wish that were
not the case.
Msg #11558 Dated 0:51:22 08-02-91 11317 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LINKING PINS
Or messages that ask what's a good preposition to end a sentence
with ?
Msg #11559 Dated 0:51:26 08-02-91 11367 <--> 12355
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DARYL
OK I'll make up a set with your name, you can edit in your own
password. Will put them on as wells.zip - OK. Will send you a msg
when they are done.
Msg #11560 Dated 0:51:30 08-02-91 11413 <--> 11576
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I have a radio unit and havn't been real happy with it. Can't get
enough power out of it and the feed-back problem is a bummer. You
have to stay put or you get all kinds of weird noises. I agree with
Pete, forget the wireless, go with a small lapel mike and cord, it
solves a lot of problems.
.
"Suds" Sudbrick makes a battery powered version using the radio
shack components and it comes fitted inside a briefcase. It's ideal
for walk-in perform and split type gigs. It runs about $ 80 bucks.
Msg #11561 Dated 0:51:39 08-02-91 11426 <--> 11629
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: TRIX
Also avoid walking by metal folding chairs when you have to thing
strapped around your leg. I learned the hard way. After my intro as
I was walking up to the stage I got too close to an unoccupied foldin
g chair and the damn thing attached itself to my leg. Needless to
say it pretty well tipped the PK effects I had planned. Better way is
to have it built into a Tabman table with a means of making it move
up and down, that way you can protect yourself.
.
I do a few PK things and have reasonable response. Major problem is
peoples perception of physics and what is really possible. If you do
any of it remember, with PK LESS IS BETTER. Don't go for really large
movements. Depend on the set-up to make a small movement look like a
miracle. If it jumps all over the place, no one will believe you are
controlling it with your mind. They start thinking threads and or
magnets.
Msg #11562 Dated 0:51:52 08-02-91 11305 <--> 11577
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
Geez - I'm reading Modern Witchcraft, 1831.
.
You guys must be futurists !
Msg #11563 Dated 0:51:57 08-02-91 11327 <--> 11606
From: JERRY BURTON
To: GARY PLANTS
Re: MESSAGE
When were you here ? Was I asleep ? Sorry to have missed you, enjoyed
seeing you at IBM and watching some great card stuff.
Msg #11564 Dated 0:52:00 08-02-91 11428 <--> 11580
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
I had my thumb-tip stuck in my Zombie ball and couldn't get it out,
but I noticed it was just a test - I'm so relieved. I'll be ready
next time, I put oil on the thunmb-tip so I'll never have that worry
again.
Msg #11565 Dated 0:52:05 08-02-91 11429 <--> 11569
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: PEE WEE
He'll probably have to change the first letter of his name from 'P'
to 'W', I wonder if he raises gerbils ?
Msg #11566 Dated 0:51:43 08-02-91 11515 <--> 11568
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Hmmm... some confusion here. Mel Blanc reference was 1967, but if it
really was an Ameche bit, it could very well have preceded Carter in
'52.
Msg #11567 Dated 0:52:09 08-02-91 -> 11607
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VIRTUAL REALITY
Ee;11072
Just got this month's issue of AI Expert, they have devoted the
entire issue to Virtual Reality. Two, really pretty good ones, one
VIRTUAL REALITY, A STATUS REPORT goes through what's happening in the
field, sounds incredible. The other one, A COMPUTER-GENERATED
SUSPENSION OF BELIEF caught my magician's eye.
.
I quote from the editorial,
"Because humans can suspend befief at will--of which TV sitcom prod
ucers are well aware--we can believe that we're tiuring an unbuilt bu
ilding and interacting with the fixtures. We can believe that we're u
p in space manipulating a robot arm. We can interact with others inte
lligences (human and artificial) as part of VR conferencing. We can l
earn, play, communicate in cyberspace, accessible today with gloves a
nd goggles, but maube someday with holographic projection (just like
the Star Trek Holodeck).
The technology is crude and expensive, but improving daily. At some
point in the next few years, the tools that allow visual, audible, a
nd tactile feedback will be inexpensive and readily available. Input
devices, too, will be improved to make interactive virtual reality
easy and affordable. After that, it's a software problem".
.
Imagine in a few years MAGIC! could be the BBS on the planet where yo
u could dial in and have individual magic instruction with feedback
to the gloves you would wear, that would train your hands how to make
the moves correctly. Just think what that would do for contests !!
.
If you are interested I can send a copy of the 2 articles, they are
excellant. Give me your address if you want them, not too techy so if
anyone else wants them let me know.
Msg #11568 Dated 0:52:35 08-02-91 11532 <--> 11572
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Have you ever had the experience of working something out that you
thought was quite good, but it just doesn't play as well as you
thought it would; or conversely, perform something you didn't much of
and the audience reaction far exceeds your expectations ?
Msg #11569 Dated 0:52:40 08-02-91 11500 <--> 11634
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
I wonder if they are going to have a line-up for the undercover cop
to identify the offending member ?
Msg #11571 Dated 0:52:51 08-02-91 11468 <--> 11589
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CREDIT?
I got a letter saying that Mr. Innovations was eligible to win 10
million dollars. (My company is Processing Innovations, so the
computer thought I must be Mr. Innovations)
.
I guess he didn't win as no cash has showed for him.
Msg #11572 Dated 0:56:31 08-02-91 11501 <--> 11573
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm not interested in defining Classical music completely and utterly.
It's not just old, and it's not just symphonic -- movie soundtracks
are symphonic, but are not classical music. Javanese Gammelon music is
old, but is not classical... "It is all there is..." was an exaggerated
reference to my belief that endless reinterptration accounts for 99%
of the classical music market today. Yes, there are American Moderns
working in the field, but they are a tiny sliver of it.
Msg #11573 Dated 0:54:59 08-02-91 11525 <--> 11574
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The two skills (creating and performing) are quite different in nature.
(And, of course, the writing skill for a book is still another
different skill). I've done various mixes of the three and I find that
sometimes I prefer to be in the background and at other times I prefer
to be up front. There was a small effect that I published here on
MAGIC! some time ago. Stan Lake performed it at one of the MAGIC!
luncheons, and, frankly, I derived a lot of enjoyment out of watching
him do it.
Often we only perceive the skills of the performer. I would like to
see a greater appreciation for the skills of the creator.
Msg #11574 Dated 1:01:06 08-02-91 11543 <--> 11575
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I believe that magic IS perceived as a non-art in the minds of the
public, but not for the reason TA suggested -- that it had to do with
the leve of performances out there. (old argument is that it never
hurt other performing arts.) No, I think there's something
intrinsically threatening about the art, about being fooled.
As to how accurate our notions of the public's perceptions are -- who's
to say. Short of embracing ignorance (while might be noble, but is
not as interesting!), we can only grapple with our various theories,
suspicions and intuition -- the latter not something to be sneezed at.
Msg #11575 Dated 1:00:27 08-02-91 11538 <--> 11582
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Making acid stomachs and/or pre-ulcerous conditions in others is widely
regarded as a hallmark of professional success. You must be at the top
of your craft!
By the way, that long awaited minscule royalty check arrived today -
surprise! It was THREE TIMES the size I was expecting! Not lunch!
Dinner for two! (Well, a modest dinner for two, with no wine, anyway).
Or, dinner at MacDonald's and it can cover part of MAGIC!'s phone bill
for a month.
Msg #11576 Dated 1:05:22 08-02-91 11475 <--> 11578
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I guess I could do funny bits with a mike cord. Then again, I could
also dress up as a clown, or toss paper napkins over people's heads, or
trip over the side of the stage.
Msg #11577 Dated 1:08:29 08-02-91 11471 <--> 11605
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
Dean?
Msg #11578 Dated 1:09:51 08-02-91 11516 <--> 11579
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Ah! Something we agree on, Max! Although there are some situations
where I prefer a cordless mike, if I'm using a wired mike I too have a
preference for a straight stand with a detachable hand mike.
Msg #11579 Dated 1:12:05 08-02-91 11521 <--> 11649
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Exactly! PZM. A3M.
Msg #11580 Dated 1:12:39 08-02-91 11476 <--> 11581
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
Great! We'll save the beeps for when we really need 'em. Guess
though that we should test the Magician's Emergency Action Notification
System on a regular basis.
Msg #11581 Dated 1:14:22 08-02-91 11564 <--> 11675
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
Great! If it helped someone get better prepared, then it was probably
worth it.
Msg #11582 Dated 1:14:19 08-02-91 11432 <--> 11600
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Wanted to go on record supporting the subscription fee. I hope that
the relative lack of response here means that people generally agree,
and not the opposite.
Msg #11584 Dated 1:15:55 08-02-91 11330 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I WON!
Got it.
Msg #11588 Dated 1:19:34 08-02-91 11480 <--> 11652
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
Well, in a way you are right - I do have certain semi-magical powers on
the system, and it is up to me to choose whether they are used for good
or evil.
But on a greater level, I depend on the MAGIC! Advisory Board and the
MAGIC! MEMBERS to set the basic direction.
Of course, when it crashes, when it needs cleaning, optimizing, new
hardware, etc. then its back to me again.
And Heck Yes, I AM proud of our uptime record!
Msg #11589 Dated 1:23:09 08-02-91 11482 <--> 11590
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CREDIT?
Er, I'll tell you in private!
Msg #11590 Dated 1:23:41 08-02-91 11571 <--> 11612
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CREDIT?
A guy I know used to run a company called "E. Murphy and Company."
Named after the creator of Murphy's law. One of the phone companies
billed him for several thousand dollars in credit card calls, most of
'em from a hotel in San Diego. When he protested, they checked into it
and told him that they had found that during the period in question,
Mr. Murphy was registered at the hotel. He had a heck of a time
convincing them that there was no "Mr. Murphy" associated with the
company!
Guess it was a case of Murphy's Law!
Msg #11591 Dated 1:27:10 08-02-91 11483 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
Seems to me that I remember a hotel in Amsterdam named the Hotel
Amsterdam. When I was there in '52, the waiters used to wear white tie
and tails to serve breakfast! Bet that don't happen any more!
Msg #11594 Dated 1:32:46 08-02-91 11494 <--> 11595
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Oh, no, you aren't going to set me up with that one! I can tell a
KEYSTONE COP a mile away! Gee, maybe there is a part for Tommy (from
the opera, not from the British version of "cop") in this flick!
Msg #11595 Dated 1:34:45 08-02-91 11548 <--> 11622
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I donno, Jerry. Looks more like "A Boy and His Dog" to me.
Msg #11598 Dated 1:54:13 08-02-91 11512 <--> 11599
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HWD BOWL
Thank you for asking. The concert was quite good, although the guest
conductor, John Nelson, was a bit flambouyant for my taste. Sorry you
weren't able o join us.
Msg #11600 Dated 2:02:39 08-02-91 11554 <--> 11601
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
But in fact it is S.O.P. to determine the frame of "collective" mind of
any given audience...
Msg #11601 Dated 2:02:41 08-02-91 11549 <--> 11602
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Friday nights at the Bowl aren't the least bit classical. But I'm
puzzled by your disappointment in Thursday nights. For example:
July 11 July 25
Tchaikovsky: Marche Slave Brahms: Overture, Academic Festival
Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerto Brahms: Violin Concerto
Itzhak Perlman
Tchaikovsky: Symphony #6 Beethoven: Symphony #5
July 18 August 1
Rimsky-Korsakov: Intro. and Beethoven: The Creatures of Prometheus
Wedding March, Golden Beethoven: Piano Concerto #5
Cockerel
Rachmaninov: Piano Conc. #2 Berlioz: Symphonie fantastique
Shostakovich: Symphony #5
What is more classical? Boccherini?
Msg #11602 Dated 2:15:36 08-02-91 11550 <--> 11603
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It wouldn't take a Tabman Table to replace DOS FAT - you
could use one of those $1.98 folding television tables and it would be
an improvement. Someday I'd like to meet the idiot who decided that
the FAT belonged on track 0.
Msg #11603 Dated 2:18:59 08-02-91 11553 <--> 11604
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Jerry - What a HECK of an idea! Go in and order a donut. Sub in the
howler, pay and start for the door! THANKS! Hope they'll let me use
the MDT (Mobile Data Terminal in the LAPD cars) for one last call to
MAGIC! before they haul me off.
Msg #11604 Dated 2:21:15 08-02-91 11555 <--> 11608
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I agree 100%, Jerry. Although I guess that an argument could be made
that a "performance art" conceivably requires "appreciation" by a
larger audience.
Msg #11605 Dated 2:25:15 08-02-91 11562 <--> 11680
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
Yeah, reading Modern Witchcraft, 1831, and, no doubt, listening to
Buxtehude! Just don't get a week's booking in Salem - your pyramid and
PK stuff would be a KILLER.
Msg #11606 Dated 2:28:25 08-02-91 11563 <--> 11899
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Me too, Jerry! What the heck happened?
Msg #11607 Dated 2:30:24 08-02-91 11567 <--> 11644
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIRTUAL REALITY
If it is no trouble, yes, Jerry, I'd like a copy of the two articles.
Address is P. O. Box 900, Arleta, Ca. 91334.
The work I've seen on Virtual Reality is, indeed, very interesting.
Still a long way off, as the article mentions, but obviously being
worked on. Should make magic and MAGIC! very interesting in the
future!
Msg #11608 Dated 2:33:03 08-02-91 11574 <--> 11609
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'd really like to see some RESEARCH on audience perception of magic
done. Maybe some of the IBM or SAM "wigs" on here will pick up on it.
Msg #11609 Dated 2:34:06 08-02-91 11582 <--> 11626
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks for your message. I assume that the general lack of response
regarding the subscription fee means that people realize that we have
to find a way to help support MAGIC! In eighteen months, we've all
done some pretty incredible things around here, but I would feel a lot
better knowing that there was some permanent support base for the
system.
Msg #11619 Dated 6:11:16 08-02-91 -> 11860
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIRTUAL REALITY
I like a copy of the articles, if you don't mind, Jerry! My address is
5107 Evergreen Court, Austin, TX 78731. By the time you get around to
it, I'll be able to send something I've been meaning to send you by
return mail. I mentioned this to you before you went back east for the
IBM, but it wasn't ready then. Now, happily, it is!
Msg #11620 Dated 6:14:06 08-02-91
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: TOPIT
I found the fellows name whose wife makes the Topits. His name is Jeff
Marcus, and their number is 619-562-3434. But Stan Lake was right,
Ramone does make a great Topit, right here in Austin. In fact, Ramone
is a great guy - very, very nice, and it isn't just Topits. Anything
with a needle and thread. As for Jeff's wife, apparantly they've had
a dye cut, and a special rolling machine which hems the edges of the
cloth the same way the edges of a magicians silk is hemmed. Either
would do a great job, you can be sure. But then again, a whole bunch
of guys did OK with a black bag and safety pins!
Msg #11622 Dated 6:59:43 08-02-91 11192 <--> 11639
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Too bad you didn't run into Marco the Magi whilst communing in Mass.
You might have ended up in the Company instead of the band.
Msg #11625 Dated 7:00:49 08-02-91 11232 <--> 11692
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: EGADS!
The world is your oyster me lad! Well, next week anyhow. The VA
branch of the TabGlo Fan Club awaits your arrival. (or should that
be GloTab...don't want to get shot!)
Msg #11626 Dated 7:00:59 08-02-91 11240 <--> 11628
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Most definitely! ...and in sufficient quantities to insure ample
examples of self hoisting on petards.
Msg #11627 Dated 7:01:10 08-02-91 11247 <--> 11717
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGES
How do you explain your involvement in this board under your basic
rule of business? This thing breathes, excretes, and might even be
capable of spoilage.
Msg #11628 Dated 7:21:11 08-02-91 11549 <--> 11630
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It's something to do with loose fibers in those polyester leisure suits
- peculiar these days to Orange County & Southern Texas, & some
scattered spots in the Midwest.
Msg #11629 Dated 7:23:46 08-02-91 11561 <--> 11674
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
So, we really are talking BIG magnets here, eh? Maybe not something I
would need for a 10-minute close-up act audition?
Msg #11630 Dated 7:26:31 08-02-91 11501 <--> 11631
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Just to add to TA's message, today's classical composers are mostly
film composers - Randy Newman, Randy Edelman, Danny Elfman, Bernard
Hermann, John Barry, Georges Delerue, to name a few. Buy the CD from
_Edward Scissorhands_ & tell me that's not _classical_ (maybe based in
Romantic but classical for argument's sake!) And if you actually do go
out & buy that, don't miss the score from _Steel Magnolias_.
Outstanding!
Msg #11631 Dated 7:30:00 08-02-91 11509 <--> 11632
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Good thing, I was starting to feel awfully lonely already!
Msg #11632 Dated 8:09:21 08-02-91 11527 <--> 11635
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The point is, that without the audience, even a constant audience of
one, then invention becomes only a mental exercise or a puzzle if you
will. I agree that iventing stuff can be an ultimate high, but the
inventer to be fulfilled, needs that feedback that only an audience
can provide.
Msg #11634 Dated 8:09:40 08-02-91 11530 <--> 11656
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Lizzie Borden was found innocent. I didn't know that. Cheeez, it
takes a long time for the news to reach Charlotte Hall.
Msg #11635 Dated 8:09:45 08-02-91 11539 <--> 11636
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It's the little crystal box.
Msg #11636 Dated 8:09:50 08-02-91 11540 <--> 11637
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I agree, Evan. Magic as an art is wide open. There are no boundries,
no restrictions. Unlike music which is destined to repeat the same
notes over and over - Western music has a 12 note scale, Eastern
music is less restricted by scale and tonal value, but scale nonethe
less - Magic can continue to grow and expand as a performer's and
inventer's art.
Msg #11637 Dated 8:09:58 08-02-91 11542 <--> 11638
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I can see your point Evan. There are several magic shops which seem
to be very well run in the DC area. They are a little out of range
for me so I don't get to visit, but from all reports they both have
a wide range of services and the proprietors are quite popular with
the local magical gentry. The second half of this century has given
rise to several shops, which through their mail order trade, has
actually elevated the magic shop into quite a good business for them
to be in.
Msg #11638 Dated 8:10:08 08-02-91 11543 <--> 11640
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Granted that my world here in Charlote Hall is quite small and
probably a pretty mundane place as places go, BUT when I drop by
the post office to mail out a table all three postal workers come
up to the counter just to marvel at the packaging and the label
since they found out through a third party just what it was that I
mail in those boxes. Pretty amazing to me.
Msg #11639 Dated 8:10:17 08-02-91 11545 <--> 11671
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Yes, serious; quite. It is designed by a group in Florida who have
been designing and putting "kits" together for some interesting 21st
century habitats all over the planet. The most important thing is
water, and plenty of it.
Msg #11640 Dated 8:10:23 08-02-91 11551 <--> 11641
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, I'll draw the thing up that I need it for and fax it to you. Or
better yet, I'll have my robot fax you.
Msg #11641 Dated 8:10:28 08-02-91 11555 <--> 11642
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Isn't art ultimately for the creator anyway?
Msg #11642 Dated 8:10:32 08-02-91 11556 <--> 11647
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Had me up half the night worrying about what _real life_ is! The boss
(David Lichtman, not Bruce Springstein) got so worried about me he
was calling me just to give me a _nonreality_ check there for a few
days.
Msg #11643 Dated 8:10:38 08-02-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: GOOD MAGIC
Ee;11557
Anybody in the Washington DC area who wants to see some _Good Magic_
can catch Scotty York at Casey's in Georgetown, Sat night Aug 3.
Msg #11644 Dated 8:10:44 08-02-91 11567 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIRTUAL REALITY
I'd be interested in reading the articles, Jerry. Thanks.
Msg #11646 Dated 8:10:52 08-02-91 11571 <--> 11695
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CREDIT?
Somehow Tabman USA got into a list and I got a letter addressed to
Mr. USA. I guess that means I'm somewhat like Capt. America.
Msg #11647 Dated 8:10:57 08-02-91 11572 <--> 11648
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My interpretation is that _classical_ refers to a performance style.
Msg #11648 Dated 8:11:01 08-02-91 11573 <--> 11653
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, but isn't part of the creator's function to be invisible?
Msg #11649 Dated 8:11:05 08-02-91 11576 <--> 11650
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Hey, I know it's been done, but do the cut and restored mic cord.
Cut it in mid sentence and feign silence. Keep feigning until it's
restored. It can't be that old a trick so somebody has to know who
started it. Drop by your local _pro sound_ shop and buy a few feet
of the popular types of mic rope in black and gray. Maybe one length
of blue and you're set. Use large set of wire dykes instead of
scissors. Wear goggles and heavy rubber gloves and get a funkenring
to shoot sparks when you cut it. A little smoke would be good too.
Send me my dollar when you use my routine and give me credit in the
book.
Sparky
Msg #11650 Dated 8:11:15 08-02-91 11578 <--> 11661
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Max is smart requesting the basic mic setup. Booms and goosenecks
have a tendency to move when you don't want em.
Msg #11652 Dated 8:11:26 08-02-91 11588 <--> 11685
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
Whatever happend to our alternative sysop plan?
Msg #11653 Dated 8:11:29 08-02-91 11600 <--> 11654
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, good (great?) performers can _read_ the audience in a few minute
and flow in whatever direction is required to keep them entertained.
In this respect it is both an art and a skill.
Msg #11654 Dated 9:38:24 08-02-91 11544 <--> 11655
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Basically, Evan, it's a rehash of old discussions under the mask of
franchised magic shops. It is, at least, for me.
My opinion is that there are too many magic shops with too much magic
made much too available to the casually curious. I've expressed this
opinion in the past. I would like to see a return to the second floor
magic shops with backrooms for the real stuff. I think there are too
many magic books being published and being made much too available to
the magic-dabbling Uncle Geeks.
The problem with magic today not that it's unavailable to the genuinely
interested, but that it's TOO available to the casually curious!
"Oh, yeah...I recommend Mike Weber's book, LIFESAVERS...it's right
there, between the plastic vomit and the itching powder."
I believe magic as an art is being sold out by dealers and artists
alike for the almighty buck.
I know we're going to disagree on this, Evan. I know you believe this
to be an "elitist", (pardon the quotation marks), position.
My opinions in this area are very firmly held. I will argue and debate
with you if you insist. You will not change my mind nor, I surmise,
will I change yours.
'Wayne.
Msg #11655 Dated 9:55:00 08-02-91 11566 <--> 11659
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Henny Youngman claims a '51 usage which cannot be substantiated.
'W.
Msg #11656 Dated 10:00:12 08-02-91 11530 <--> 11664
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
I will never be one to defend "journalistic standards" because I
seriously doubt if there are any, really.
My point was in defending the admittedly insensitive and perhaps even
tasteless jokes being offered here.
Pee Wee is fair game. Reubens is not.
Regarding poor Lizzie...her name STILL isn't "cleared"...
How many of us can recite the rhyme, "Lizzie Borden took an axe..."?
How many people still think that Andrew Johnson was removed from the
office of President, when the fact is that he was impeached but not
convicted?
I believe our quests for justice to be doomed to certain frustration.
'W.
Msg #11659 Dated 10:25:17 08-02-91 11654 <--> 11660
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I agree almost entirely. Evan at conventions. I don't think magic
shop owners should ahve booths. Only Mfgrs and Distributors.
The old Back Room at Flosso's was one of teh great places on the
planet. Likewise at Davenport's in London... etc. etc.
Msg #11660 Dated 10:26:58 08-02-91 11515 <--> 11662
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I turned back... couldn't take the humidity... and the A's are
beginning a home stand.
Msg #11661 Dated 10:27:05 08-02-91 11516 <--> 11679
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Mike use is an asset to those that think it out and understand same.
On anoter note... I hink reading of the three Tamariz books should
be a requirement of MAGIC! use.
Msg #11662 Dated 10:27:10 08-02-91 11518 <--> 11665
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No, it is not tru. It is a gag I use leading up to the Scotty York
light bulb trick. I say, "a reenactment of one of Edison's press
conferences when ......."
Msg #11664 Dated 10:27:21 08-02-91 11531 <--> 11676
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
I recall that being the case...
Msg #11665 Dated 10:27:25 08-02-91 11532 <--> 11667
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
How do you like "working like crazy on something you love and think
will be a killer" and the audience sits there starting to fall
asleep.
A trick revered and held in awe by many magi is the AMAC Find the
Lady. My dad, when he was in vaudeville, worked on the same bill
with AMAC and he said the audience reaction was ZIP. NADA. NIL.
That's why it didn't play long... it vanished from the halls.
Msg #11666 Dated 10:27:36 08-02-91 11537 <--> 11704
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: SPEED COURSE DUTCH
Hi Lynn... WELCOME on the MAGIC! trip. Hope you enjoy reading all
the drivel here online... I know you read a lot on magic, you have
a library to be envied!!! Hope to see you and TW on Saturday. The
tape of the Jester is on the way back to me... I forgot I had loaned
it, but it should be here today (Fri) or tomorrow...
Msg #11667 Dated 10:27:44 08-02-91 11539 <--> 11668
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Live music is better. You can feel it.
Msg #11668 Dated 10:27:49 08-02-91 11540 <--> 11669
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
New arrangments. That is the least one can strive for.
Msg #11669 Dated 10:27:54 08-02-91 11542 <--> 11670
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The need for most magiclumpens to come into a magic shop and shout
"What's New" is indeed big. When you run out of What's News, you
can run out of business. Ken Brooke, who -- in my opinion -- had
the most incredibly loyal band of customers had always kept coming
out with new stuff. He would only make limited quantities... a
scheme his loyal customers LOVED... and when people like Tannen
would knock off something and make hundreds of them, he literally
worried himself to death.
Msg #11670 Dated 10:28:06 08-02-91 11544 <--> 11672
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Is a violent disagreement on a computer one that causes you to
hit your own keyboard with killer strokes? Or what?
Msg #11671 Dated 10:28:13 08-02-91 11545 <--> 11689
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Do you know that Abe Lincoln's likeness appears twice on each
one cent piece? If so, tell me where. If not, ask and I shall tell.
Maybe everyone knows this already... and I am wasting disk space?
Msg #11672 Dated 10:28:19 08-02-91 11554 <--> 11677
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The experienced ones can read and adjust very quickly to the aud.
Msg #11674 Dated 10:28:30 08-02-91 11561 <--> 11693
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Get Finn Jon's book and Bracco's on threads and forget the magnets.
I wasn't kidding about the old floating pencil. The one with the
little pin. Charlie Miller used to do miracles with that one.
Also the "LOOP" (I think Magic Inc. 5082 N. Lincoln, Chicago, IL
60625 still sells) -- a catgut loop up the sleeve -- can be far
more magical than most magnets.
.
And then there was the time I took Randy to the airport after he
had just done an anti Geller TV in San Francisco. Randi had done
the moving compass needles, etc. etc. and had magnets all over
his body. He was late and rushing and zammoo gadzooks oh oh, when
he went through the metal detector at the airport. FUN FUN FUN.
Msg #11675 Dated 10:28:44 08-02-91 11564 <--> 11682
From: PETE BIRO
To: JRRY BURTO ()
Re: ACTION TEST
Oil on thumb tip. Is that to keep it from squeeking? Or rusting?
I saw one at FISM that was so realistic, it had a NAIL on it and
their was dirt under the nail.
HONEST
It was being used for a killer version of the thumb tie and I would
not have noted it... and I was only 1-foot away... if Finn hadn't
said, "how do you like THIS thumb tip?" I said, what hand is it on.
Msg #11676 Dated 10:28:53 08-02-91 11565 <--> 11843
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PEE WEE
You are now getting very very sick... gerbils... argh forever,
Msg #11677 Dated 10:28:57 08-02-91 11574 <--> 11678
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Read Tamariz and you will see art for sure!
Msg #11678 Dated 10:29:02 08-02-91 11575 <--> 11683
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
A big check? How big? 9x12?
Msg #11679 Dated 10:29:07 08-02-91 11576 <--> 11681
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Combined properly all those things, cord gags, clown bits, paper
over the head, trip over edge of stage, could save you lots of
money previously spent on balloons!
Msg #11680 Dated 10:29:13 08-02-91 11577 <--> 11880
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
Well it was a 14th Edition Dean, no big deal.
Msg #11681 Dated 10:29:17 08-02-91 11578 <--> 11696
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
A straight stand wtih detachable hand mike is almost universally
what you get---
Msg #11682 Dated 10:29:21 08-02-91 11580 <--> 11709
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
I think we need a system wide alert when a thumb tip or Zombie ball
is seen!
Msg #11683 Dated 10:29:26 08-02-91 11582 <--> 11686
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I will go along with anything up to $3 a year.
Msg #11685 Dated 10:29:35 08-02-91 11588 <--> 11697
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
You should be proud. I dunno how you do it. I know Nathan has a job.
Msg #11686 Dated 10:29:39 08-02-91 11601 <--> 11687
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yesterday, because of MAGIC! and its classical messages. I tried
to rehearse my juggling act to classical music, lip synching, and
it was very funny. I had a little trouble juggling to the 'BEAT'
but could be a good act premise.
Now, just need to find a classic rendition of the Mexican Hat Dance
(or the classic version "La Raspa")
Msg #11687 Dated 10:29:48 08-02-91 11602 <--> 11688
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Ah yes, Gourmet Meals on a TV Tray... love it! I used to have a
nice set with a neat rack!
Msg #11688 Dated 10:29:54 08-02-91 11608 <--> 11694
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What's a "wig" (an old political party?)
Research on Audience perception. Well, one bit of research done
whilst I was working the Palace of Mystery at the famed and wonderful
magic Castle (oops) typo... tsk...
.
was.... AS I came into the club on a Friday night, the bartender,
while making my "PIMMS CUP" said, "well you won't do so good
tonight!" Huh? I sed, he followed wth (am going to leave out the
quote marks) Yep, Friday night. They audiences on Friday nights
don't know how to react. You see PEOPLE that go out a lot and
know how to enjoy things... they go out ANY TIME. It don't have to
be Friday Night... it could be Monday, Wednesday, don't matter,
they just like to go out, are used to going out... know how to
enjoy things.
But the duds that almost never go out... They don't know you can
go out any time. They only know you can go out Friday night.
Cuz they don't have to get up next day and go to the assembly line.
So they save up for about three, maybe six months and out they
go on Friday night. And they break their fingernails picking the
dimes up off the bar....
.
Whew, was he right. ARghh
Msg #11689 Dated 10:30:18 08-02-91 11622 <--> 11705
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
As Jay sed about the Le Grand David Co., "don't drink the cool aid"
Msg #11692 Dated 10:30:42 08-02-91 11625 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: EGADS!
Gloworm? No... just kidding...
Msg #11693 Dated 10:30:46 08-02-91 11629 <--> 11896
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: TRIX
NO not big. The PK one is smaller than a matchbox. I have one to
control dice that will move em under a thick wooden bar. It is
inside a Long size cigarette pack. A friend has one so big
that when he drives somewhere he has to avoid trying to go over
trolley tracks, as it will stop the car.
Msg #11694 Dated 10:30:53 08-02-91 11636 <--> 11698
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
How many notes available for a BASS SOLO?
Msg #11695 Dated 10:30:57 08-02-91 11646 <--> 11902
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CREDIT?
I guess they saw you with your shirt off.
Msg #11696 Dated 10:31:01 08-02-91 11649 <--> 11706
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Hate to tell you how many years ago I did that. You cannot
feint the mike not working.. you got to keep talking... you got
to have someone "hip" and with "timing" turning the sound on and
off.
Here's another WIRE killer. I have a Head Zopper... a version of
the Head Chopper, invented by Jack Hughes (you should have seen
my airfreight bill just to get it from England) that is done with
an electric sabre saw.
You get the dude (or dudette) (actually a short haired person is
better, both for visibility and not getting their hair tangled)
into the Zopper. Then you look for the electric saw. It is laying
on the floor. (You have two funkenrings -- the deluxe models) (BOY
I wish I knew what kind of spark generator Sylvester has) and you
go over to pick up the saw. AS you approach the poor sucker in
the Zopper you turn on the saw. At same time let both funkenring
flashes go. Sometimes I used a fingertip flashpot, fire smoke,e tc.
and then you start to shake and vibrate VIOLENTLY, hopping all
over the place like 2,000 volts of juice is going thru you.
Shouting to back stage, TURN IT OFF, TURN IT OFF.... you turn it
off. Tell the guy, "It'l be OK, I think they had it plugged int
220" Shout backstage Is it OK now, they say yep... etc. etc.
Funny situation bit to say the least.
The trick itself is ANTI CLIMACTIC.
Matter of fact, when I used the old fashioned type chopper, just
as I was aboaut to do the business, I would say, "AND NOW, FOR THE
ANTI CLIMAX...."
.
ENUF?
Msg #11697 Dated 10:31:30 08-02-91 11652 <--> 11729
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
Alternating current, I guess.
Msg #11698 Dated 10:31:33 08-02-91 11653 <--> 11701
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The late Al Flosso was the master. I have a story that is too long
to file, someday ask me about how he turned a totally disinterested
country club audience that was not watching the show into the
palm of his hand... and made me a star (that day).
Msg #11701 Dated 11:35:13 08-02-91 11659 <--> 11702
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Hold on just a minute. Let's add used book dealers and ephremea to
the list.
Msg #11702 Dated 11:35:18 08-02-91 11662 <--> 11708
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I thought there for a minit that Thomas Edison had a sense of humor.
I knew YOU had one (humor that is).
Msg #11704 Dated 11:35:26 08-02-91 11666 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPEED COURSE DUTCH
Sylvester The Jester is one great act.
Msg #11705 Dated 11:35:30 08-02-91 11671 <--> 11884
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I know where Linclon sits.
Msg #11706 Dated 11:35:33 08-02-91 11696 <--> 11718
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
ENUF! I knew you were probably doing it for a long time. Why not,
when the sound guy turns it off have it POP.
Msg #11708 Dated 12:06:08 08-02-91 11626 <--> 11710
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Indeed... Only in magical circles it is referred to as self-levitation.
Msg #11709 Dated 12:13:30 08-02-91 11451 <--> 11731
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
I know I used to be a DJ many years ago. It's kind of like put your
head between your knees and kiss your a.. GOODBYE!!!
Msg #11710 Dated 12:12:49 08-02-91 11638 <--> 11711
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Interesting! Someday you should put a helium balloon in a box, as
close to no weights as possible, and take it to the P.O. - Tell 'em
it's a special package for a guy who does levitations! Would LOVE to
know the reaction.
I too generally find that the public perception of magic is higher than
it is represented on here.
Msg #11711 Dated 12:18:49 08-02-91 11648 <--> 11712
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The creator can remain invisible. But may deserve greater recognition
by the cognoscente.
Msg #11712 Dated 12:22:06 08-02-91 11655 <--> 11713
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Maybe Edison really did do it! Interesting!
Msg #11713 Dated 12:26:12 08-02-91 11678 <--> 11714
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I didn't say it was big! I said it was minuscule. Took me 15 minutes
to find it in the envelope. A total waste of time.
Msg #11714 Dated 12:28:25 08-02-91 11686 <--> 11715
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Try juggling to Ravel's Bolero.
Msg #11715 Dated 12:29:20 08-02-91 11687 <--> 11716
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
We used to have two such tables. I don't know where one went, but the
other is holding up my computer.
Msg #11716 Dated 12:32:03 08-02-91 11688 <--> 11723
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I've noticed your bottle of Pimms, still kept behind the bar for you.
Yes, the audiences at the Castle (and, I assume, other places) do
change radically as the days of the week go by.
But other industries have market research - why not magic?
Msg #11717 Dated 12:34:36 08-02-91 11627 <--> 11727
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MESSAGES
MAGIC! was not started as a business! It began as a liebhaberei. The
rules are different.
Just heard a quote from Henry Kissinger on the radio: "When you are
famous, you can bore people at parties and they think it is their
fault."
Also in the news right now is a support rally for Pee Wee Herman in
front of CBS. They are accusing CBS of conducting his trial and
finding him guilty by pulling his reruns prior to his being found
guilty in court. Story says they are getting considerable support from
passing motorists.
Msg #11718 Dated 12:57:06 08-02-91 11649 <--> 11719
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
A terrific suggestion, Tabby. At the moment I can't quite see it as my
thing, but you never know. If I do it, I'll send you a buck - as a
matter of fact, I'll try and send the one that Kent Cummins sent me,
complete with his logo on it (but unsigned).
I once had Harlan Ellison as a guest speaker at a convention. They had
another meeting going next door and had the PA for that room set too
high. Harlan was trying to read one of his stories and there was this
voice from next door that had all the qualities of chalk scratching on
a board. Harlan looked at the audience and very calmly said, "Excuse
me for a moment. He walked over to the wall, slammed it with both
hands, and screamed "SHUT THE HELL UP!" He then walked back and calmly
said, "To continue..." It was quiet next door for a few minutes, but
then the sounds from next door resumed. Harlan looked at me and said,
"Lichtman, do something about that." I went next door and they were
just finishing. So I came back and it was all quiet again. Harlan
said, "What did you do???" "Cut her mike cord," I said. He looked at
the audience and said, "How many of you (there were about 600 people in
the room) actually believe that David cut the mike cord?" EVERY hand
went up! Guess they knew me pretty well!
Msg #11719 Dated 13:07:52 08-02-91 11650 <--> 11720
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I normally don't like booms and goosenecks. Both for the reason you
mentioned and because they just don't feel comfortable to me. Same
with lavs. They just distract me. I'm easily confused.
Msg #11720 Dated 13:10:06 08-02-91 11679 <--> 11750
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Hey, I wouldn't want to steal your act!
Msg #11723 Dated 13:14:50 08-02-91 11710 <--> 11724
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I like that idea. Actually have it weigh about negative 2 or 3 grams
and see how it goes. In fact, I might ship it to you. When you get th
box, open it and take out the ballooon. Breathe the helium and then
call Sylvester The Jester on the phone and tellem you are Sylvia The
Jester, you saw one of his shows and you want to go out with him .
Msg #11724 Dated 13:14:56 08-02-91 11711 <--> 11725
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Generally with the hip guys the creators do get spoken of in hushed
tones. They are the only ones who matter anyway. Next time you see
some guy carrying a BFM radio down the row ass him what his debt is
to Marconi. Then go ask a guy who is GM of the station the dude is
listening to. I'd hope he would know.
Msg #11725 Dated 13:15:03 08-02-91 11714 <--> 11726
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Or Igor's _Rite of Spring_.
Msg #11726 Dated 13:15:06 08-02-91 11716 <--> 11732
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Michael Ammar has created a survey which should reveal some interesti
ng information. Maybe he'll upload it to MAGIC! and break some ground
Msg #11727 Dated 13:15:09 08-02-91 11717 <--> 11743
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Yes, public opinion is generally for Pee Wee. In my opinion he is
a genius and with genius comes some bizarrity; and perhaps loneliness
and pain.
Msg #11729 Dated 13:14:52 08-02-91 11652 <--> 11730
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
Thanks! I'm doin' that bad, huh?
Actually, Tabby is referring to the plan I presented to the Advisory
Board for having a "backup" or "alternate" sysop in the event I was
incapacitated or was trying to go on vacation (my phone bill back to
MAGIC! the last time I was on vacation was $145+ because I ended up
doing message file creations and compressions from the East Coast).
It is still being worked on, Tab. As a matter of fact, I came across
the non-disclosure agreement again yesterday.
Msg #11730 Dated 13:18:51 08-02-91 11685 <--> 11755
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
Not only does he have a job, but he has been doing resturant table work
for tips in the evenings.
Due to the extreme demands we are placing on the currently overburdend
system, we have had a couple of problems in the last few weeks. But in
general, our uptime really does beat that of the ATMs, the airline
computers, etc.
Msg #11731 Dated 13:23:17 08-02-91 11682 <--> 11734
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
If we did an alert for thumb tips and/or Zombie's, there'd be too many
of 'em. You'd log on and get nothin' but beeps.
Msg #11732 Dated 13:24:06 08-02-91 11608 <--> 11733
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Excellent idea. Can't help suspecting it won't happen because they
don't REALLY want to know.
Msg #11733 Dated 13:24:55 08-02-91 11631 <--> 11735
From: EVAN KATZ
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Soundtrack music is not classical. I am a big fan of film soundtrack
music, especially John Barry, and to a lesser extent, Delerue, but it
is NOT classical music. Derived in part, yes. Dered also in part from
Jazz (Barry's influences) and popular music.
Msg #11734 Dated 13:24:10 08-02-91 11709 <--> 11772
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
Yep! As you may recall, they used to test 'em at 10 a.m. Eastern on
Sundays. If I had a guest in the studio, I'd try to turn the
conversation to the meaning of the bells on the machine a few minutes
before then. Would mention that there was nothing higher than four
bells, "except, of course, for nuclear war... that's ten bells." Got
some interesting expressions a few minutes later!
Msg #11735 Dated 13:26:55 08-02-91 11647 <--> 11737
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Perhaps you are right. I, however, do not have this in mind when I
discuss it. Perhaps you meant "composing style" rather than
"performance style," as you could perform many things with a symphony,
and it would never be classical music.
Msg #11737 Dated 13:28:16 08-02-91 11654 <--> 11738
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm more interested in the potential of magic shops to nurture a more
sophisticated clientelle, as well. Through the use of magic classes,
local competitions, having visiting guest lecturers... We'll never
agree about whether magic is under or overexposed. But I'm sure you'll
agree that if we could get more SERIOUSLY interested kids involved,
it'd be healthy for the business. Where we disagree, I believe it
whether or not the risk that comes along with those seriously
interested kids is worth it -- basically, all the additional NOT
seriously interested kids.
Msg #11738 Dated 13:33:11 08-02-91 11723 <--> 11739
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Great! Go ahead and ship it to me. Although by the time it reaches
here, it may weigh more do to helium being gone. Yes, fun to talk with
the stuff.
By the way, I would go for no weight rather than negative weight. I
think negative tips the trick. Also, is impossible to do because
balloon can't lift full weight of box unless it is very big.
Msg #11739 Dated 13:36:09 08-02-91 11724 <--> 11740
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
GM's used to know. Don't know if they still know. The 1st Phone back
at the transmitter might still know.
Msg #11740 Dated 13:37:33 08-02-91 11725 <--> 11741
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Hmmmm.... You reminded me -- nothin' playin' on system right now.
Yesterday was a trip - Madonna followed by Simon & Garfunkel followed
by Ivan Rebroff (CD #ATO 8621 from Atoll Music, 18/20 rue de Borrego,
75020 Paris). Then the evening at the Bowl.
Rebroff is incredible - Bass with an unbelievable falsetto thrown in.
Msg #11741 Dated 13:42:35 08-02-91 11726 <--> 11742
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Michael's survey is very interesting and he has expressed a willingness
to upload it to MAGIC! once he has some data. But his survey is
directed at magicians, not at the general public.
Msg #11742 Dated 13:44:08 08-02-91 11732 <--> 11748
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't really want to know, or don't really care? Doing a really good
survey would be expensive, but I think the results could really help
magic.
Msg #11743 Dated 13:46:19 08-02-91 11727 <--> 11769
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MESSAGES
True. Pain seems to be a part of the process - probably comes from
exposing one's self to the world (not intended to be funny in this
case). I've never been a fan of his work, but we do have a strange
view in our society - if we deem a guy's personal behavior to be
outside the boundaries of our social or political views, they we
denounce his creative work as well. I think that if we found out that
Jonas Salk molested children (and I am NOT suggesting that he did) then
we would probably stop using his vaccine.
Msg #11745 Dated 13:52:22 08-02-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PHONE CALL
Just had an amusing bit happen on the phone. Someone called about
getting access to MAGIC! and I explained the procedure to him, noting
that he had to leave a registration comment with his magical
background. He seemed concerned and I said, "We require enough info to
know that you are serious, you don't have to be Max Maven."
"No," he said, "But I wish I was."
Msg #11748 Dated 15:01:09 08-02-91 11632 <--> 11749
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think your comment holds true for many -- perhaps most -- inventors,
but clearly not all. I know of several major creators in magic who have
no particular interest in performing, and are perfectly content to let
others "field-test" their work. To some, invention is far more than a
"mental exercise or puzzle" -- it is a process which involves its own
aesthetic, and becomes its own art form. Granted it is the exception,
not the rule, but it's a valid approach.
Msg #11749 Dated 15:04:12 08-02-91 11669 <--> 11751
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The word is "magicalumpen" -- and it is already a plural.
Msg #11750 Dated 15:04:44 08-02-91 11681 <--> 11766
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
It's what you get in most nightclubs, but the situation in club dates
is far different.
Msg #11751 Dated 15:05:29 08-02-91 11688 <--> 11752
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The bartender left out one salient piece of information: Friday nights
have the highest percentage of regular (i.e., magician) members of any
night in the Castle's week. This influx helps to explain why audience
response is almost always off on Fridays, and probably explains the
tipping thing, too.
Msg #11752 Dated 15:07:20 08-02-91 11733 <--> 11753
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I've stayed out of this thread until now, because my knowledge of
classical music is limited (I enjoy it, but it is not my favorite
musical style). However, I am bewildered by the distinctions you're
making. Much of what is now called classical music was derived in part
from popular music of its time. So, if a contemporary composer wishes
to do the same, why does that automatically make the result something
other than classical?
Msg #11753 Dated 15:09:52 08-02-91 11742 <--> 11756
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
While I would be interested in the results of such a survey, it would
be for reasons of intellectual curiosity. On a more practical level
such a survey is not going to help. Instead, I must rely on the
"survey" that takes place every time I walk on stage, or, in the case
of the shows that I produce or direct, the feedback that comes in via
the cast, staff and management.
Msg #11755 Dated 15:18:22 08-02-91 11729 <--> 11795
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BRIEF SHUTDOWN
No, are you kidding? You're doing a supurb job. What a labor of love
that has grown and taken over your whole life almost. I was just chec
-king to see what was going on in that respect since we hadn't spoken
of it since you were a prisoner here at Kraborg Castle and to make
public our intent in this direction. You are a hard individual to
clone, but maybe there's somebody out there who is like minded,
honest, trustworthy, thrifty, brave, loyal - oh sorry, hat ounds
like a boy scout; but you know what I mean. Logistically, it would
seem that it would also require someone who is in the area of the
hardware, also. YOU ARE DOING GREAT - and heaven forbid that somethin
should happen to you (though it might be nice to take a vacation, huh
?
.
.
Msg #11756 Dated 15:18:35 08-02-91 11735 <--> 11757
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You're right.
Msg #11757 Dated 15:18:39 08-02-91 11737 <--> 11758
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'd be interested to know how often members of this bbs drop by their
local magic shop. Might be a start?
Msg #11758 Dated 15:18:43 08-02-91 11738 <--> 11759
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Send me the helium.
Msg #11759 Dated 15:18:47 08-02-91 11739 <--> 11760
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't think stations have to have a 1st class on all the time anymore
just have someone they can call. Wait; I'll call one. Dial.......
Hello,
Hi this is the tabman, I have a question for you.
The what?
The tabman, who was Marconi?
Macaroni? You mean like with cheese?
No, I mean in the classical sense.
The what?
You know, what was the guy's name that invented radio?
Somebody invented radio? Is this that quiz show guy?
No, I'm doing a survey for MAGIC!
For what?
MAGIC!. You know, the Magician's Computer Network. This is the tabman
Look creep. I told you yesterday when you called not to bother me
while I'm sleeping.
But it's three oclock in the afternoon, I'm conducting a legit survey
You %@##*$%^# moron.
Click.
.
Sorry, Dave. I guess he didn't know. Sounded a little defensive to me
Msg #11760 Dated 15:19:05 08-02-91 11740 <--> 11761
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Talking to Bone Pony's producer yesterday about backup singer and he
says he has a guy ..."who can sing tenor with a dog whistle." That's
high!
Msg #11761 Dated 15:19:10 08-02-91 11741 <--> 11762
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, I knew that. Perhaps this would be a good chance for Michael
to collect some data from magicians. It seems that there are a few
of em here on this board.
Msg #11762 Dated 15:26:28 08-02-91 11760 <--> 11763
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Sing with a dog whistle... I'd like to hear that!
Msg #11763 Dated 15:27:01 08-02-91 11701 <--> 11764
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What list. With IMP you gotta add a few words so we know what the
questions wuz.
Msg #11764 Dated 15:27:07 08-02-91 11702 <--> 11767
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Humor, sans sense. Got a postcard from Jade today. She's been workin
on her tan at Cannes! Tough life when you know how to do the
snowstorm!
Msg #11766 Dated 15:27:19 08-02-91 11706 <--> 11770
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Like the Illegitemate Rice Crispies? Snap, crackle, but no Pop!
Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Msg #11767 Dated 15:27:24 08-02-91 11714 <--> 11768
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Every time I hear Ravel's Bolero I think of Dudley Moore!
Msg #11768 Dated 15:27:29 08-02-91 11716 <--> 11771
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Go for it. You do the research and we'll do the shows.
OK here is a challenge. don't knew when or where BUT A COMPLETE
SHOW BY MEMBERS OF MAGIC!
.
You guys in Sudden Californica can figger it out.
.
Maybe one Sunday at the Castle?
.
I will be (now) trying to get to work the Juggler's Castle.
Msg #11769 Dated 15:27:40 08-02-91 11717 <--> 12341
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGES
What kind of support? No, I promise no more sick PWH jokes.
Msg #11770 Dated 15:27:44 08-02-91 11720 <--> 11793
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Its yours... just send me a request before you do a Network TV
Special featuring it so I can charge you a few thousand samoleans.
Msg #11771 Dated 15:27:49 08-02-91 11724 <--> 11774
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I have always wanted to do a close up show like this. Guy is doing
his stuff, and I have a mike, in Howard Cosell-like voice (as if
narrating an Ice Skating competition) "He has opened the deck, with
the one-handed gambler grip. (In hushed tones, like at a golf match)
he looks like he's holding a break, no, he's doing a compound
Zarrow -- very good degree of difficulty on that -- now a spread
for selection. Hmmmm, could have been a classic force, but was
very casual. Hah, probably wasn't, he just crimped the bottom card
getting ready for the return..... " etc etc.
Msg #11772 Dated 15:28:01 08-02-91 11731 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ACTION TEST
Classical Beeps would be ok.
Msg #11774 Dated 15:28:08 08-02-91 11751 <--> 11776
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yu got it right there. Magicalumpen (?) are maybe the worst tippers
in the universe! Yeah, Club Dates... then the serious guy (like
you) specifies type/quality in contract, or has his own complete
system. Amp/speakers, the lot!
Msg #11776 Dated 16:25:30 08-02-91 11748 <--> 11779
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Ah yes. For the ART of it. For the excitement. For the
satisfaction. For the release. For the beauty. Because you think
you can. Because you want to. I know what you say is true. The
artist does this because he must. Creation in solitude. Naught
matters but the art. But finally you must let go to create again
and again.
.
On another subject: Are you familiar with the musical creations
of departed genius Harry Partch who created a form of music
rooted in nature, much like the Eastern mind and then invented
over 200 musical instruments to play it on. New scales, tonal
values, etc. He worked for years under a Ford Foundation Grant
doing all his stuff. The genius in a vacuum. There was a set of
lps available a few years ago (I have) but don't know if it was
ever released on cd. Certainly worth listening to for a view of
alternative reality.
.
.
Msg #11777 Dated 16:27:40 08-02-91 -> 11797
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: FISM REPORT 1991
All
FISM report '91
MAGIC!-NL Sat 03 Aug 91 00:34
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Dick Koornwinder reports that he received one of the first FISM
reports. It is created by Wittus Witt from germany. Wittus writes
"enclosed you find the very first report being published about the
latest FISM".
He is probably unaware he is second....... Come on Wittus join the
team of international BBS'ers!!!.
A short clip from his report:
Resume - What did they do with out money???
Compared tp the FISM convention in Den Haag (Holland), little was
offered for the money. Cheap meals and quite expensive meals which
you had to pay yourself except the one on the boat.
If I look at the money I wonder what Lausanne did with it. Having
had only 18 months to prepare (instead of 36 as usual for a FISM) is
not an excuse for a simple buffet and a simple trip on the boat.
Den Haag was avout as expensive as Lausanne and the offered a lot.
They had video systems to transmit the close-up as well as stage
competitions. They had a nice idea for the special night (Do you
remember they passed to each and everyone a glass of champagne,
three of them would have a small
diamond). But still it is the people who make the atmosphere. And
that was very good.
We had a great time.
-end of clip-
Wittus writes that if you are interested in the complete report (8
pages with pictures/photos), send him DM 3.- per copy mentioning
A-B-C of FISM '91. Maybe not a bad idea to report you read about it
on MAGIC!-NL.
Remember that it is printed in a limited edition of 250 copies.
Address:
Wittus Witt - Hans Vogelsang
Postfach 130749
D-4150 Krefeld
GERMANY
tel: +49-2151-711670
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Msg #11778 Dated 16:28:23 08-02-91 -> 11798
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: BIRO/KAPS LETTER 1972
Forword by Dick Koornwinder:
In this letter dated december 72 (dated by Kaps....Biro mentions no
date onit) you can find a nice way to demonstrate your skill with
the second deal. At that time both were very busy with a gambling
demonstration. That explains the contents of the letter.
You will have to miss the wunderful illustration of Pete!! The
preparation of the deck is quite easy. On the face side of a
playing card a coinmagnet has been glued (in the center).
The cards below have a hole just big enough to clear the magnet,
so the top card lays flat on top of the deck with the magnet
hidden in the deck.
Don't glue the cards with a hole together keep all cards loose!!
Here comes Pete:
Preparation:
From very top (above the magnetic block drawn above):
Red picture card - Ace of Clubs - 5 of any card - any card with a
dot in the corner (or mark or punch, resing spot) so you can feel/see
when you come to it dealing. Then duplicate Ace of Clubs with postage
stamp stuck in the middle to match location of 'floating stamp' which
I will now describe.
Put all those cards above magnetic block. Then rest of deck under so
it looks like a full deck. It is best to use cards with white borders
(I think) you can try Bee back.
Take a postal stamp that is good color contrast to the deck and shim
with thin piece of steel (razor blade is good). Glue 2 stamps
together if you wish. Fix so glue on finished product is void (no
more stickum).
Now, with all cards assembled, pretend to lick stamp and stick onto
top card of deck. Magnet will hold it in place!!
Forgot....before you stick on....do double lift-- show top card is
Ace of Clubs! Now put stamp on?? Magnet holds it.
Say 'Look now how you see the second deal ...slow motion..Fred..just
deal the top card off (it slides out and stamp stays in place...this
looks weird and is non explainable but is terrific). Deal the card
face up and they see it is not Ace so must be second deal. Now deal
4 or 5 more cards face down (so they don't see the Ace) when you
come to your card with the mark, deal a 'necktie second' dealing the
duplicate ace with the stamp really stuck on it.
Either pick up cards from table and toss on deck to hide stamp
(magnetic) or palm off.
You get fact that you glue stamp on after you see where the magnetic
clings so it is nearly same location??
Trick came from old Abra...was used with another deck having a card
forced from same, the you stick stamp on, dealing for about six card
....then stop with card that has stamp stuck on it and it matches
force card...Don't think that is needed...just as strange demonstra-
tion is fine!!!
I made a new one using a coinmagnet instead of razorblade and it
works better...you have to watch polarity of magnets when you glue
up so it is in correct direction.
Also, I use the red glasses gag with the green pencil marking cards
...works like a charm. A.W. Faber "Castell" polychromos pencil
green #158 made in Germany is same as Tannen get $3.00 for a 3-inch
piece....cost 20cnts for 9 inch pencil in art stores. Works on red
Bee deck and you look thru with red glasses. No need tpay Tannen
$25,-.
If you do not find pencil, let me knwo..will send you one.
I follow this up with the old gag of Chic Schoke from Chicago..where
you tell spectator to try it. As he puts glasses on, you cut to
short card and have a stock of cards marked boldly with a big thick
black marking pen. He is thinking he is the only one that can read
them...you show him card - he reads (?) names it...is correct...you
wink at audience...they all read big marks and it goes for ut 5
cards....gets big laugh.
You expose card to him at finish...then yourecap and show him the
legit marking thu glasses. Nobody, you say, wears these anymore
they now have a tinted set up in contact lenses that is indetec-
table!!!
Jennings tells me of a drug one guy takes that while he is under
it's influence he can read cards....no else can read them!!!
Hope this is all clear...I hate to rush things....but am very
behind in some work...but did want to get this stuff to you.
These are the link items that make the Gambling lecture more
entertaining (I think).....
Take care...see you in June!!!
Pete (signed)
*-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----*
| These letters will remain the personal propery of Dick Koornwinder,
|
| trustee of the FRED KAPS collection.
| Copyright 1991 by Dick Koornwinder. All rights reserved.
|
*-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----*
Msg #11779 Dated 16:46:58 08-02-91 11763 <--> 11780
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Oh sorry, I forgot to add the key reference with IMP. I was io the
conversation and could hear you talking about
Msg #11803 Dated 18:33:18 08-02-91 11712 <--> 11804
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah, but it was JACKIE Edison...who first performed it at Grossinger's
in the Catskills in 1947!
'W.
Msg #11804 Dated 18:35:46 08-02-91 11737 <--> 11805
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I believe the seriously interested youth FIND their way into magic
fueled by their serious interest. The harder one has to work for
something, the greater the satisfaction of achievement. If the great
knowledge of magic is TOO available, only the dilletantes will be
interested enough to persue it.
'W.
Msg #11805 Dated 18:41:20 08-02-91 11753 <--> 11807
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I agree wholeheartedly. Market research has no place in art. Market
research has all but destroyed network television with its demographics
and targeting of the lowest common denominator.
'W.
Msg #11807 Dated 19:12:49 08-02-91 11786 <--> 11808
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, will ship you a balloooop filled to the brim with heli-um.
Msg #11808 Dated 19:12:53 08-02-91 11787 <--> 11809
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I was trying to get an FCC licence for 83.9 here in Charl Hall and
don't think that was part of the requirements. Course I was looking
at doing a 5000 watt fm so don't know bout above.
Msg #11809 Dated 19:12:58 08-02-91 11789 <--> 11811
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I have a copy of it somewhere. Maybe I'll fill it out and send it
back to him so he'll be started.
Msg #11811 Dated 19:24:45 08-02-91 11776 <--> 11813
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My familiarity with Harry Partch is, unfortunately, quite limited. I
have seen some brief video clips.
Msg #11813 Dated 19:30:29 08-02-91 11779 <--> 11814
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
NO OLD BOOK GUYS... FOOEY ON 'EM... THEY COST ME TOO MUCHO DINERO!
Msg #11814 Dated 19:30:33 08-02-91 11790 <--> 11815
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Dudley Moore, among comedic actors is a certified TEN!
Msg #11815 Dated 19:30:37 08-02-91 11791 <--> 11816
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
WHOA.... you got to do the Frog from 'WORKERS'....
Msg #11816 Dated 19:30:40 08-02-91 11800 <--> 11817
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Joe Berg's anyplace is high on the list.
Msg #11817 Dated 19:30:44 08-02-91 11801 <--> 11818
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I will not be able to answer the message numbered 11801.
Msg #11818 Dated 19:30:47 08-02-91 11803 <--> 11819
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
And Jackie then moved to the lawn and conducted one of the shortest
SIMON SEZ sessions in history!
Msg #11819 Dated 19:30:51 08-02-91 11805 <--> 11821
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I would say it helps to keep you working, but that is a nasty crack.
Msg #11821 Dated 19:30:30 08-02-91 11785 <--> 11822
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
But my interest in a generic survey is purely intellectual. In terms of
functional information, my needs are met by the _specific_ survey that
takes place when audience feedback to my shows is received.
Msg #11822 Dated 19:32:15 08-02-91 11805 <--> 11823
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
A hearty handshake on that; I fully agree.
Msg #11823 Dated 20:12:09 08-02-91 11803 <--> 11824
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Now THAT makes sense. But, dahling, ver else vould Grossinger's be but
dem Catskills?
Msg #11824 Dated 20:13:54 08-02-91 11807 <--> 11826
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Will look forward to it. Bit may go better if you struggle under the
weight carying it into the P.O.
Msg #11825 Dated 20:12:56 08-02-91 11511 <--> 11833
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Well... I've gotten more good advice on microphones than I knew I
needed. I started to think it would be easier to just shout! Well, I
think I'll go for the Shure clip and accessories. Thanks for the info!
Msg #11826 Dated 20:14:52 08-02-91 11808 <--> 11827
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't know if they did change the rules, but under the old ones a
non-cirectional under 5K didn't need a 1st on the premises at all
times.
In the Carribean there is a small island called Swan Island. It is
claimed by both the U.S. and Venezuela. Also by a guy in Boston. A
company rented the island from the guy, conveniently ignoring the
claims of the countries and set up a huge radio station - ABOVE 50Kw.
They sold time to the highest bidder - sometimes the U.S., aiming
propaganda at Cuba, sometimes the Cubans aiming propaganda at everyone
else.
One day the three guys who worked the station saw a small boat
approaching. It was a group of Venezualians who came to reclaim the
territory. They said, "Yeah, sure, fine, but how about a drink first?"
The "invasion" ended a couple of hours later with the Venezuelans
waving good-bye and singing as they set back out to sea.
Moral: Get Kraborge organized as an independent country and you can
make a nice living off of a pirate station.
Msg #11827 Dated 20:22:10 08-02-91 11814 <--> 11828
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Oh, I only know one comedic actor. The guy's initials are W. P.
Msg #11828 Dated 20:22:48 08-02-91 11827 <--> 11829
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think the name is Walter Pflustelphliger or somethin' like that.
Msg #11829 Dated 20:23:22 08-02-91 11815 <--> 11830
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, I'll do the Frog and a couple of my own bits. BUT only if I get a
removable mike on a straight stand. And my name has to be set in type
4 points bigger than anyone else's.
Msg #11830 Dated 20:26:00 08-02-91 11821 <--> 11834
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, then at $2,000 each, I guess you won't be buying one. That's how
a lot of survey companies do stuff. They do the study and then sell
the results at a fairly high price.
Msg #11833 Dated 20:31:20 08-02-91 11825 <--> 11935
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Do a 1920's act with one of those horns! I can here it now, "From the
gold, silver, steel, copper covered ballroom of the Hotel Sheets in
downtown Potstown, overlooking the Menongahilla River, we bring you the
magic of Stan Lake!"
Msg #11834 Dated 20:44:19 08-02-91 11811 <--> 11835
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Will see if I can put some on tape for you when I get a chance and
drop you a cassette.
Msg #11835 Dated 20:44:24 08-02-91 11813 <--> 11836
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Well, if you don't buy em now (old books) imagine what they'll cost
in 2001 which is right around the corner.
Msg #11836 Dated 20:44:28 08-02-91 11816 <--> 11838
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Speaking of Joe Berg, I've been intending to get the Joe Berg Book
for several years now. Is it worth getting?
Msg #11838 Dated 20:44:36 08-02-91 11826 <--> 11842
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Unfortunatey for me. i struggled with the site surveys, topo maps,
tons of paper work. It was the last fm freq left avail in the
Cheseapeake area. A bunch of fat cats came in and got licensed in
6 weeks. And they play adult contemporary. Bleeeechh.
Msg #11841 Dated 21:15:43 08-02-91 -> 11855
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: PCX TO IFF
Does anyone know of a picture format conversion program, public domain
or otherwise, that converts formats, especially PCX to IFF? I should
mention that I need this for the AMIGA computer. I like to sownload the
pictures, but as they're in PCX format (mostly), I can't read them. Any
help would be appreciated. Thanx!
Msg #11842 Dated 21:22:57 08-02-91 11787 <--> 11844
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
David,
It's been some time since FCC has even acknowledged 1st's. They
made everyone General whether they passed 1st or not! From the
point of view of a former 1st who worked hard for it and was
"downgraded" it was a bit annoying to say the least!
I believe now in the Commercial market,they're using "caveat
emptor". If the Eng isn't up to spec, the customers suffer
therefore the Eng is OUT. I tend to believe Tab's comment about
no one on duty with current "relaxed" regs.
David (the other one, or should it be the 1st other?)
Msg #11843 Dated 21:56:23 08-02-91 11656 <--> 11942
From: T A WATERS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
When I said "cleared" I meant Lizzie was cleared in the historical
sense; there were people, even years after the acquittal, who believe
(d) in her supposed guilt. A crime writer, Edmund Pearson, did a
distorted history of her case which left people thinking that indeed
she had been a murderer. It wasn't until Edward D. Radin did LIZZIE
BORDEN:THE UNTOLD STORY, and exposed Pearson's machinations, that the
historical record was set straight.
But there are any number of things like that in history -- The Boston
massacre, the Black Hole Of Calcutta -- famous incidents which never
happened.
Msg #11844 Dated 22:01:34 08-02-91 11542 <--> 11845
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I believe Larry Becker and some others had a franchise operation called
THE TRICKERY; he talks about it in one of the Magic Inc. Success Books
-- it was not successful, from what he says.
Msg #11845 Dated 22:03:31 08-02-91 11543 <--> 11846
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In the absence of sociological studies, one indication might be what
people are willing to pay to see; with a few notable exceptions,
magicians are not in the upper economic brackets of show business.
Within show business, magicians are often considered to be people who
lack the talent or training to be real performers. Ask any dancer...
Msg #11846 Dated 22:07:02 08-02-91 11554 <--> 11847
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Whenever I hear someone say "There are no bad audiences..." I think,
that person has never performed.
Msg #11847 Dated 22:08:39 08-02-91 11572 <--> 11848
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
But -- endless reinterpretation also accounts for 99% of rock and roll
-- and movies -- and novels -- and, and...
Msg #11848 Dated 22:10:09 08-02-91 11574 <--> 11849
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My suggestion had to do not only with the level of competency, but the
approach -- most magicians sell their stuff as "I'm gonna fool you" --
so how else is the audience supposed to react? They don't do that when
they see Jeff McBride, though, do they? Or Tommy Wonder? And might it
be because these guys are not trying to fool people, they are trying to
create MAGIC?
Msg #11849 Dated 22:08:01 08-02-91 11838 <--> 11850
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Is "adult contemporary" a euphemism for "elevator music?" There are a
couple of guys out here who still have small stations of their own - on
does 40's music all the time.
And you might take a look at some of the regs on "low power" stations
- I think there are some opportunities at something like 500 watts or
less. Doesn't sound like much, but my suspicion is that if you can get
the license you can make a ton off the subcarriers, reselling 'em to
pager companies, data transmitters, you name it.
Msg #11850 Dated 22:13:03 08-02-91 11842 <--> 11851
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Interesting! I'm a lapsed 3rd, will that get me a "General?" I
haven't kept up with the field in a long time.
P.S. - I think you are entitled to 1st other; both because you have the
license for it, and because around here you preceeded the other Davids
except for myself.
Msg #11851 Dated 22:15:50 08-02-91 11665 <--> 11852
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
When one of my gem-like creations dies, I try it with a few more
audiences; if it still dies, I ask them about it. Sometimes it is a
matter of a wrong word, sometimes a wrong audience -- and sometimes, of
course, it's just a lousy effect.
Msg #11852 Dated 22:15:59 08-02-91 11845 <--> 11853
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I donno, T A. Sounds like wallowing to me, and, oddly enough, you
sould somewhat pleased with the situation. Are you punishing yourself
for something? Or just unable to dance?
How many magicians have mounted the kind of act it would take to be
successful? It always looks to me like the ones who have done it have
been rewarded. Maybe the public's perception of magic isn't so bad,
maybe it's just that no-one trys?
Msg #11853 Dated 22:20:52 08-02-91 11733 <--> 11856
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I would be genuinely interested in your specific definition of
"classical music."
Msg #11855 Dated 22:25:07 08-02-91 11841 <--> 11867
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
There are a couple of Amiga boards around here and I'll try to check
for something for you. On the IBM side there IS a commercial program
- HiJaak - that does PCX to IFF and IFF to PCX. Of course, it still
writes the diskette in IBM format, but if you have the old Amy 5.25"
drive you can get passed that. It is what I used on the Magic in Space
pictures - captured 'em on an Amiga with Live! and then HiJaaked 'em to
PCX. Lemme see what I can find.
Msg #11856 Dated 22:29:16 08-02-91 11742 <--> 11857
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I agree it would be helpful. Just thing the results would beepressing.
Msg #11857 Dated 22:30:19 08-02-91 11752 <--> 11858
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm not talking about derivations -- that's a never-ending game. But
true classical music is not composed much any more. Period.
Msg #11858 Dated 22:35:19 08-02-91 11844 <--> 11859
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Interesting. Would love to know more, if anyone knows more.
Msg #11859 Dated 22:35:57 08-02-91 11847 <--> 11862
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
There's a big difference between re-performance and derivations.
Msg #11860 Dated 22:36:43 08-02-91 11619 <--> 11895
From: T A WATERS
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: VIRTUAL REALITY
The Winter 1991 isssue of MONDO 2000 had several articles about virtual
reality; it's a cyberpunk journal.
Msg #11862 Dated 22:43:29 08-02-91 11852 <--> 11863
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I am not at all pleased with the situation; at that, I count myself
lucky, because I have known more than one artist in magic that the
situation has driven to drink -- or nuts -- or death. No, it ain't
funny. I really love magic -- which is why I really don't like a lot
of people who learned a few tricks and call themselves magicians. To
be a good magician in the world today is to be the greatest violinist
in the world and discover that the world is deaf.
The public's perception of magic, generally, is that it is something
for kiddies. I'd love for you to prove me wrong -- but in any city
outside Nevada, I don't think you can.
Msg #11863 Dated 23:37:53 08-02-91 11856 <--> 11864
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I suspect that the results would be LESS depressing than many people
here seem to think they would be. I think that the public would
welcome magic back into their lives - but that WE aren't giving them
what they want.
Msg #11864 Dated 23:39:53 08-02-91 11862 <--> 11865
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I respect your love for magic. I hope that you respect mine as well.
You have an interesting analogy for magic there - but I think the
situation could be otherwise. As mentioned in my message to Evan, I
think the public would welcome magic back into their lives, even if
only performance magic and even if only through a willful suspension of
disbelief. To me, the times seem right for a resurgence of magic -
economic hard times and general frustration with life, technology,
crime, ecology - just the sort of times that should make for great
success in entertainment and particularly in something that gives
people a chance to believe again.
Hell, maybe that was Stormin' Norman's real magic trick.
I believe that the failure is on OUR part, that we don't understand our
own craft. I don't pretend to have any solutions - but we have an
electronic think-tank here with some (if not all) of the top minds in
magic on it. And yet we use it to spin our wheels - to bemoan the
awful condition magic is in, to feud about inconsequentials, and to
toss one-liners at one another. Maybe that says more about us then it
does about either magic or the public's perception?
Msg #11865 Dated 23:52:16 08-02-91 11532 <--> 11866
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
For me that moment where you find out that your brsain child actually
works for people is a grat satisfaction. It is certainly one of the
best moments!
Msg #11866 Dated 23:54:24 08-02-91 11557 <--> 11868
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Well Jerry, I do not know. If one has sensibility, one can feel when
the audience does not like what you do. I only suspect that many think
they have great succes, while in actuality all they got was a polite
response. If you can deceive yourself into thinking that you did great
in such a case, even fruit I think would not stop you. Some people just
seem to miss self criticism.
Msg #11867 Dated 23:54:49 08-02-91 11855 <--> 12420
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
Found two public domain Amiga programs that presumably convert PCX to
IFF and have put them in the files area.
PCX2IF.LZH - Presumably converts only PCX, it is smaller.
CVT26.LZH - Presumably converts several types to 24-bit IFF.
You will need the program to unLZH these. If you don't already have
one, let me know and I'll get one. Also, I haven't opened these LZH's
or tested 'em, just brought 'em over. If you try either or both, would
appreciate knowing if they work OK.
Msg #11868 Dated 23:57:23 08-02-91 11568 <--> 11869
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Definately! It has happened to me many times. Most of the time however
I tried to find out what was wrong and rectify it. Usually it meant
that I had made a mistake. But it is part of the deal, if the audience
doesnot like it yet, continue, try to find out what is wrong.
Msg #11869 Dated 0:00:00 08-03-91 11573 <--> 11872
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I agree. It would be good if we had more appreciation for the
inventors. Unless you have worked out some things yourself, I think it
is hard to imagine how difficult it can be to come up with something
good. Many people do not realise how hard that is, they think itis just
ideas coming by themselves. But something really good takes a lot.
Msg #11870 Dated 23:58:58 08-02-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: AMIGA FILES
Acting on the request of one of our Amiga users, I have located and
uploaded two programs that are supposed to convert PCX images to IFF
images. I haven't tried these. Also, you need the unLZH program
(ssimilar to UnZip, but for Amiga) to open them after you download
them.
The two programs are in the MAGIC! files area as:
PCX2IF.LZH - Presumably converts PCX to IFF, fairly small program.
CVT26.LZH - Presumably converts several image types to 24-bit IFF.
We don't have the UnLZH program on here, but it is available on most
Amiga boards. If you are an Amiga user and can't find it, let me know
and I'll try to post it. Seems to me that it was a problem to post
here as it was compressed using some other compressor, etc.
Msg #11872 Dated 0:04:51 08-03-91 11869 <--> 11873
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I would not want to try to determine the relative difficulty of
creation vs. performance. Both are hard work! I just wanted to point
out that they are DIFFERENT kinds of work and that it is OK to be good
at one and not the other (or, I guess, good at the other and not the
one - but now I've confused muyself!).
Lest we forget - there are a lot of other skills that go into making
great magic - the people who produce and direct the shows, the people
who sell the shows, and all of the others.
Gee, did I just write my acceptance speech for an award? If so, I'd
also like to thank my mMother and Father and . . .
Msg #11873 Dated 0:09:29 08-03-91 11632 <--> 11875
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I thinkthat there can be an intellectual satisfaction in solving a
puzzle, making the trick at least work. But yes, working in front of an
audience will quickly correct you if you made a mistake in thinking
somewhere, and it is indeed a different type of gratification.
Msg #11874 Dated 0:39:24 08-03-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SIGNED BILL
Did anyone recently do a signed bill trick for someone named Kris
Conde? If so, I got your signed bill back from the cleaners today.
Hmmm... Maybe there is something to this "Magic Cleaners" place after
all . . .
Msg #11875 Dated 1:31:36 08-03-91 11836 <--> 11876
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The Berg book, having been written by a committee, is a very uneven
read on the literary level, and the physical production is rather
uninspired. However, there is some very good magic within.
Msg #11876 Dated 1:33:34 08-03-91 11864 <--> 11877
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You may believe the failure is on "our" part, and that "we" don't
understand magic... but I'll decline inclusion in your grouping.
Your well-intentioned hope that the public feels more favorably toward
magic than is empirically the case speaks well for your optimism, but
you seem to believe that when a performer creates quality art it will
automatically lead to success -- and unfortunately that's not the way
it works.
Msg #11877 Dated 1:44:01 08-03-91 11864 <--> 11878
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't believe think-tanks, of whatever sort, have any place in art.
It may be useful to get feedback once something has been created, but
I think that the problems of art and magic will be solved by each
person individually, and not by group interaction. I think of this BBS
as a conversation pit, and enjoy it as such...but I'd no more expect it
to improve magic than I'd expecta writer's board to improve the quality
of literature (they don't).
Msg #11878 Dated 2:29:18 08-03-91 11876 <--> 11881
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Furthermore...
No one is more saddened than I by the fact that magic is held in such
low esteem by the contemporary public, but such sorrow does not alter
the reality of the situation.
If you need evidence, you need look no further than Tony Slydini. A
brilliant artist in the fullest sense of that word, and beyond his
exquisite abilities as a performer he was also a ground-breaking
theoretician whose work changed the face of magic in this century. The
death of a comparable master in a _respected_ field would have been
acknowledged by glowing remembrances in the news media, retrospectives
on television, or at the very least some mention on Entertainment
Tonight. Did you notice any?
The sad truth is that Slydini was not even able to make a living from
the performance of his art. He had to support himself by giving magic
lessons.
Consider the magic that does show up on TV. Do we receive explorations
on PBS? No; magic, when it is "allowed" on the air, winds up in the
form of low-brow crap like the Magic Castle special or the
International Magic Awards.
And please don't bring up David Copperfield. He is the exception that
tests the rule, and his success means nothing in terms of the larger
picture. Citing Copperfield as "proof" that the public respects good
magic is like interpreting the popularity of the Cosby show as "proof"
that there is no racism in American society.
Msg #11880 Dated 4:17:01 08-03-91 11605 <--> 12073
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
I'll skip Salem, I don't use fire in my act.
Msg #11881 Dated 4:17:05 08-03-91 11572 <--> 11882
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Classical music is 'Classical' because it is old, its classic in the
sense that it has stood the test of time.
.
Magic has its classics, literature has its, Hell Coke even has one !
Msg #11882 Dated 4:17:15 08-03-91 11600 <--> 11883
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
But Max you're a mentalist, that's your job to sense the collective
mind of the audience, how about the rest of us who don't have the
gift ?
Msg #11883 Dated 4:17:25 08-03-91 11601 <--> 11887
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Hmmm, looks pretty good. This was about 4 fours ago when I made the
switch. Moved from a box, back up into the bleachers to start the
long move down. Could have been the hard seats, more than the music.
I do recall quite a few fireworks extravaganzas, which I really
couldn't deal with. Spoiled the whole ambience.
Msg #11884 Dated 4:17:36 08-03-91 11639 <--> 11885
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
If you have an address or any literature let me know. I've been
designing in my mind and getting close to moving it into the reality
(what ever that is) stage.
Msg #11885 Dated 4:17:41 08-03-91 11671 <--> 11918
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Profile on the heads side, full face inside the mounment on the tails
side. Good bar bet !
Msg #11887 Dated 4:18:03 08-03-91 11662 <--> 11888
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Reminds me of a line I heard, "In Beethovens later years he became so
deaf, he thought he was a painter". (before you say anything _I_
thought it was funny, but of course I have a Bizarre sense of humor).
Msg #11888 Dated 4:18:12 08-03-91 11670 <--> 11889
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In Evan's case he probably fills the sreen with """""""""""""""""""""
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" TAKE THAT !!!!!
Msg #11889 Dated 4:18:22 08-03-91 11672 <--> 11890
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm sure that is the case, I just don't happen to be at that level
yet. Hav'nt had enough experience with different audiences to be able
to instantly adjust. Having kids in the audience still bums me out !
Msg #11890 Dated 4:18:31 08-03-91 11686 <--> 11891
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Try NIght on Bald Mountain and juggle brooms instead of indian clubs.
Msg #11891 Dated 4:18:38 08-03-91 11628 <--> 11892
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Could be - never thought of polyester poisoning. Another really weird
thing is about half way through the final movement half the audience
starts heading for the exits to beat the crowd out of the parking lot
.
We just sit and watch them all leave and tip our glasses to their
stupidity. The ushers come by and throw us out about ten minutes
after the concert is over, so we retire to the parking lot and set-up
shop again.
Msg #11892 Dated 4:18:51 08-03-91 11630 <--> 11893
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Have you heard Andrew Lloyd Webber's Variations (Theme Paganini
Caprice in A minor # 24), very interested blend of old and new.
.
Regarding film composers, hey that's were the money is. One of my
favorite 20th century composers, Korngold, was looked down on by
the 'classical' community as being a sell-out. Only recently has his
work gotten the credit it deserves. The Sea Hawk is a great piece of
art.
Msg #11893 Dated 4:19:05 08-03-91 11637 <--> 11894
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The shops out here are combination magic, joke, and even costume
shops. The Magic Palace in Glendale has a lecture series, but that's
the only one I'm aware of. I agree with Wayne that the magic shop of
today doesn't lend itself to furthering the idea that magic is an art
form.
Msg #11894 Dated 4:19:16 08-03-91 11640 <--> 11900
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Have your robot call my robot, maybe they can do lunch via modem.
Msg #11895 Dated 4:19:23 08-03-91 11860 <--> 12009
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIRTUAL REALITY
The editorial mentioned that the press has had a field day with VR.
It equates VR with Timothy Leary and the cyberpunk movement - electro
nic drugs, 3-D nintendo, the new VCR. But VR is more than cyberpunk,
despite what you may have read in Mondo 2000 or in a "teledildonics"
online conference on the well.
Msg #11896 Dated 4:19:30 08-03-91 11629 <--> 11897
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: TRIX
Powerful doesn't necessarily mean BIG. Rare earth magnets are both
incredibly powerful and small.
Msg #11897 Dated 4:19:34 08-03-91 11674 <--> 11898
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I've tried threads, but I keep breaking them and can't see them. At
least with a magnet I know where the power will be and they don't
break.
Msg #11898 Dated 4:19:39 08-03-91 11693 <--> 11960
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: TRIX
Cindy, if you believe Pete's trolley track story, I have some land
in Florida you would love. Or better yet some beach front property
in Arizona (at least it will be when Calif. slides into the Ocean).
Msg #11899 Dated 4:19:44 08-03-91 11606 <--> 12076
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Why don't you post a general msg that it is absolutely mandatory that
all out of town MAGIC! members must file an itinerary prior to
departure. Unless Gary didn't want to admit he knew us ??? Jeez we
were'nt that bad in MD, were we ??
Msg #11900 Dated 4:19:50 08-03-91 11602 <--> 11901
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
His name was Murphy, always designed that way. Put the most critical
information in the most likely place to get killed. The real killer
is that there is no way to regenerate a dead FAT from the otherwise
good data files. Only system I ever knew that could do that was
Alpha Micro. Didn't add much to the overhead, but could really save
your butt. Used a linked list of data records, so you could always
regenerate the FAT from the data itself.
Msg #11901 Dated 4:20:03 08-03-91 11609 <--> 11904
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Name the price and watch the $$ flow - how about donated equipment ?
Msg #11902 Dated 4:20:10 08-03-91 11695 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CREDIT?
No, that was David in Becky's show sans shirt !
Msg #11904 Dated 4:20:17 08-03-91 11749 <--> 11905
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
So what's just one - a magilumpi ? Or like magnetic poles do they
only exists as pairs ?
Msg #11905 Dated 4:20:25 08-03-91 11757 <--> 11906
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I go once in a while to get my frazzled sponge balls replaced.
Msg #11906 Dated 4:20:31 08-03-91 11857 <--> 11907
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You are right about 'true' classical music (whatever that means) is
not being composed much anymore. Most music considered to be classic
was only considered so when it outlived the composer. They probably
still compose, but only a few of us can tune into that plane of
existence.
Msg #11907 Dated 4:55:02 08-03-91 11882 <--> 11908
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It is part of the job of every performer to sense the collective mind
of the audience. It is a learned instinct which comes from experience,
and it's hardly limited to mentalists...
Msg #11908 Dated 4:55:57 08-03-91 11904 <--> 11913
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It is basically a group concept, thus there is no singular form. If
you must apply it to an individual, you can refer to a "member of the
magicalumpen."
Msg #11910 Dated 6:58:55 08-03-91 9080 <--> 11933
From: RICK RUHL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GOT IT
Hiya:
yeah, I'll be at Nashville no doubt. and.... next Saturday through
Tuesday (10th -13th) I will be in LANDOVER MD!!! I'll be flying in on
Saturday and be working with the Post Office on a deal Monday and
Tuesday. Since I'm up that way, and it looks like it's only 20 or 30
miles form where you are, I'd love to get a chance to meet you in
person. What do you think about that?
Talk to ya
Ricker
Msg #11913 Dated 7:48:32 08-03-91 11733 <--> 11914
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Well. to get picky, Barry's scores are written generally in classic
sonata style, which would bring him under the category of "classical".
I guees the point I'm trying to make, though, is that film composers
are this generations answer to the composer under contract in the
classical period.
Msg #11914 Dated 7:51:35 08-03-91 11891 <--> 11915
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Sounds like LA crowds at the end of Laker games! We always marvel at
how many people get up and leave with four minutes to go, regardless of
how tight the game is!
Anyway, I've found safe haven at the Chandler. The offerings are good,
and the people generally know how to behave! (And the prices are pretty
good too!)
Msg #11915 Dated 8:04:54 08-03-91 11757 <--> 11916
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I wish I could find a local magic shop to drop into! There don't seem
to be any witin a twenty mile radius of Redondo Beach! If there was one
semi-nearby, I dare say I'd be there weekly. Getting to Hollywood Magic
is a real pain, between freeways and parking in Hollywood. When I lived
in NYC, I was at Tannens at least once a month.
Msg #11916 Dated 8:21:00 08-03-91 11892 <--> 11917
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, I have Variations. Truly enjoyed it. Every so often, Webber
actually tries to break out, and he usually does it well.
Msg #11917 Dated 8:22:20 08-03-91 11893 <--> 11919
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah - why are magic shops always in the seediest parts of town? And
why do they usually have a large stock (right up front) of absolutely
tasteless videos & jokes? There's one reason the public perception of
magic is so relatively low - that's why it's still considered
vaudeville by most and one of the reasons it's not seen as an art y
many.
Msg #11918 Dated 8:28:20 08-03-91 11671 <--> 11929
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Yes, yes. we all know he's sitting in the Lincoln Memorial on the back.
Nothing good on TV, eh?
Msg #11919 Dated 8:44:00 08-03-91 11849 <--> 11920
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
This area is saturated with radio antennas. Every freq is taken both
amplitude and frequency mod. My goal actually wasn't to get on the
air, but to sell the site license and construction permit. After that
I got a NPR license and did a weekly broadcast via Satcom IV and
called it the Tidewater Report featuring a voice modulated time
traveler named _Capt. Jerry and his Way, Way Back Machine_. We would
create the sound effects, etc and CJ would visit different historical
events, one of which was an escape by Harry Houdini. Capt Jerry was
not totally ept and would get trampled by horses, etc. In the HH
episode, Capt Jerry bothered HH so much that HH locked CJ in a back
stage broom closet. We almost didn't get him back. The program had
eclectic music and tabman commentary also. Last airer of the program
before the show's retirement was Fordham University radio in 1990.
Msg #11920 Dated 8:44:14 08-03-91 11850 <--> 11921
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think all you need is a radio telephone operator's license which
goes for life.
Msg #11921 Dated 8:44:20 08-03-91 11852 <--> 11923
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
David Copperfield is going to be on Arsenio next week, but I don't
know which night.
Msg #11923 Dated 8:44:34 08-03-91 11862 <--> 11924
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The only "magician" in my county outside a couple of dedicated
close-up guys who nobody knows about is a county commissioner who
is an embarrassment. Unfortunately, he is most people down here's
view of a magician. I don't related to him and what he does. I don't
know him, nor do I want to. However; he did get himself elected to
the county commission so public perception of a magician in this
isolated pocket must have something going for it. Maybe I should
run for something - like the county line.
Msg #11924 Dated 8:44:45 08-03-91 11863 <--> 11925
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Fortunately our main guiding magical light on natl tv is David
Copperfield. The more tv he does the better for us all. Did I mention
that he'll be on Arsenio next week?
Msg #11925 Dated 8:44:51 08-03-91 11864 <--> 11926
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think that TA has a point in saying that a major public impression
of magicians if the kid stuff variety. The afformentioned county
commissioner here worked his way into the hearts of the prople doing
stuff in schools etc. Now, that in itself is not a bad thing since
children are the hope and future of the world. Actually, hoe very
kid show magicians have a real responsibility in developing the futur
fans of magicians when they "grow up."
Msg #11926 Dated 8:45:01 08-03-91 11875 <--> 11927
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I had heard, re: The Berg Book_ that it was an uneven production
and that had put me off. But, Joe Berg's magic! I knew I'd have to
get it at some point. I think I'll track one down today....thanx
for the truth.
Msg #11927 Dated 8:45:08 08-03-91 11877 <--> 11928
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Agreed that art is created in isolation. The conversational aspects
of MAGIC! is what keeps me here daily. The communication with
like minded people is what this board is all about. I welcome you all
into my den which is now in the north wing and know that should I
move my abode, etc that when I replug I can again bring ya'll into
my world and enjoy the company and stimulation that good talk gives.
Msg #11928 Dated 8:45:17 08-03-91 11878 <--> 11931
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Copperfield is the exception and without his presence on natl tv
there would be no one out there shining. However, there might be
something we could do about the art on PBS. I have created an
interest with a cuple of PBS producers I know, I just don't have a
concrete project to present them with. It could be done in the right
frame with the right scope.
Msg #11929 Dated 8:45:26 08-03-91 11884 <--> 11954
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I tried to fax you some stuff yesterday, but no squeel. Call Amer
Ingenuity in Melborne, Fla 407-254-4220 /fax9283. They have a good
info pack on what they offer, which is ferro cement stuff. Also
Monterey Domes out of Monterey, CA has some stuff of redwood. I like
the ferro stuff because it is fireproof. Let's talk.
Msg #11931 Dated 8:45:37 08-03-91 11893 <--> 11932
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Hank Lee has an up the stairs, go in a small door kind of shop on
Lincoln Street in Boston. It's been years since I've visited him
there, but it isn't on a major street, rather a side street coming
out of Boston's Chinatown and shunting towards the downtown area.
One winter evening years ago I was walking up the steps and met a
Mavenesque figure coming down, collar turned up to face the chilly
winds below.
Msg #11932 Dated 8:45:46 08-03-91 11894 <--> 11934
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My robot ate my modem.
Msg #11933 Dated 8:45:51 08-03-91 11910 <--> 11972
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: GOT IT
Great Rikker. You have my number, give me a call. Will you have a
car while you're here. We'd love for you to come down for a visit.
Landover isn't that far, less than an hour. I can give you directions
which will cut out most of the traffic which is pretty heavy coming
out of the metro area. Hope to see you then.
Msg #11934 Dated 9:58:25 08-03-91 11823 <--> 11936
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Last time I worked the Catskills it was great fun. (god it was a
loooooong time ago..... when I was a furshlugginer magishun). Oh,
yah and I liked Lou Tannen....
Msg #11935 Dated 9:58:32 08-03-91 11825 <--> 11985
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Don't shout. Read the Tamariz book on the Five Points of Magic.
The "voice" useage example is great. Funny, when my dad was telling
me how to work (his vaudeville experience -- tho' he was a silent
act) that "Slow Joe in the Back Row" was who you had to play for.
.
A GREAT GAG.... WHICH I USE WHEN I MC.... (For your entertainment
only, not to be stolen without permission -- and I will only give
the rudiments here).
.
These new modern theaters are great. Incredible lighting systems,
comfortable seats, and this sound system... wow... you know years
ago in vaudeville they didn't have these luxuries... My father told
me in the 1920s, he came out and sang (name a classical tune)
without the aid of a microphone... and when he finished, the entire
audience stood up as one and yelled "We couldn't hear you!"
Msg #11936 Dated 9:58:50 08-03-91 11826 <--> 11937
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tab won't have any trubble... no one can find the place anyway!
Msg #11937 Dated 9:58:59 08-03-91 11827 <--> 11938
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Waldo Pfister?
Msg #11938 Dated 9:59:09 08-03-91 11828 <--> 11939
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
HONEST I WROTE THE WALDO PFISTER LINE BEFORE I SAW MSG 1182!!!!
HONEST
Msg #11939 Dated 9:59:22 08-03-91 11829 <--> 11940
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Do the Frog with your green card?
Msg #11940 Dated 9:59:35 08-03-91 11830 <--> 11941
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Do your own survey. Just pick 20 names out of the phone book at
random. Why not?
Msg #11941 Dated 9:59:46 08-03-91 11836 <--> 11943
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I believe so. It isn't really written by Joe, but the collected
material and anything you can get of "joe" is worthwile.
Msg #11942 Dated 9:59:57 08-03-91 11843 <--> 11982
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
Yah... people don't pay any attention to retractions, later changes,
it is what their initial perception is that hangs. Nobody I have
chatted with figures anything other than A) Pee Wee was guilty.
B) Pee Wee was stupid. C) Hope he saved enough money that it doesn't
matter.
Msg #11943 Dated 10:00:04 08-03-91 11844 <--> 11944
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Becker has just had surgery for a Cancer. Got a letter from him
couple of days ago. Wish him well... pray...
Msg #11944 Dated 10:00:17 08-03-91 11846 <--> 11945
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Right on T A.... there are not only bad audiences but there are
stupid ones, drunk ones... you ever try to perform for an Army
Officers Club on New Years eve???? Have you ever tried to open a
stag show and all they want to see are tits? I flat walked out of
a show for a Plumber's Union using Koran's great line. "There are
horses for courses, I don't think I'm a horse fot this course,
**** YOU, and good night!" (**** in Koran's version was "God Bless",
but it was four letters in mine!)
The agent did not tell me what the show was about!
Msg #11945 Dated 10:00:39 08-03-91 11847 <--> 11946
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
and, and... LIFE.
Msg #11946 Dated 10:00:51 08-03-91 11850 <--> 11947
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I can see it shaping up now... an ALL MAGIC! FM RADIO SHOW....
ARRRGGGHHHHHH
Msg #11947 Dated 10:01:02 08-03-91 11852 <--> 11948
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Most magicians figure that knowing how to do the tricks is enough.
None (practically none) work on lighting, music, choreagraphy,
wardrobe, makeup, promotion, PROPER MANAGEMENT, etc etc.
Msg #11948 Dated 10:01:15 08-03-91 11853 <--> 11949
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My definition is easy. If the band has a harp it is classical.
Msg #11949 Dated 10:01:26 08-03-91 11864 <--> 11950
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I dunno... on the train from Lausanne to Geneva Timothy Wenk did
some impromptu magic (none from Lifesavers) that knocked out this
viewing woman. She went bananas. In conversation she was "Lady
something" owner of a famous Art Gallery and was planning an opening
of a big show... She said, "Oh magic is so wonderful... how do I
get magicians to work for me at my grand opening?" So I said, there
are a couple of great Swiss magic, Marco Tempest and Martin Cottet,
just call their agent in New York and they are available. (I just
happened to have their agent's number).
People, that love magic, sometimes don't realize it until they
see it done well, and then don't know how to get a good one. To
look in the Yellow Pages and get DOO DOO the Clown, who's ad says,
Magic, Fun, for all ages... Kid Parties, Trade Shows, Carnivals,
Network TV" Look out.... argh....
Msg #11950 Dated 10:01:47 08-03-91 11873 <--> 11951
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It is Saturday morning, Tommy, call me if you are coming this
afternoon. I will try to call you as well.
Msg #11951 Dated 10:01:57 08-03-91 11876 <--> 11952
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Max, do the audiences feel favorably toward your magic? They do
when I do mine? I think it cannot be generalized. I was flying
to Baltimore and the man in seat next to me (successful looking
business man, Rolex, etc.) and when chatting and asking me where
I was going, I said to a Magician's convention. The guy got all
excited. Said "I see David Copperfield on TV all the time, love
what he does... and we went to Las Vegas and saw the guys with the
tigers..." etc...
Msg #11952 Dated 10:02:12 08-03-91 11877 <--> 11953
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I will disagree SLIGHTY that this board will not improve magic.
If nothing else, recently we helped someone find out the best way
to be heard. Others maybe only a move. One person got to thinking
about NOT DOING WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING... all from jabbing and
chatting here....
Msg #11953 Dated 10:02:24 08-03-91 11882 <--> 11955
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It isn't neccesarily a gift. It comes from doing show after show
after show...
Msg #11954 Dated 10:02:32 08-03-91 11885 <--> 11967
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Close... not FULL FACE, but full figure in chair, just like the
real monument! Yep a good bar bet (whatever they are).
Msg #11955 Dated 10:02:37 08-03-91 11887 <--> 11956
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I saw a number of his paintings... but discovered I was blind"?
Msg #11956 Dated 10:02:42 08-03-91 11888 <--> 11957
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Is that something we can QUOTE you on?
Msg #11957 Dated 10:02:49 08-03-91 11889 <--> 11958
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The easiest way to handle kids in the audience is to leave!
Msg #11958 Dated 10:02:58 08-03-91 11890 <--> 11959
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Someone online will complain about "BALD" Mountain. I don't juggle
Indian Clubs... sorry...
Msg #11959 Dated 10:03:09 08-03-91 11892 <--> 11963
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Best thing about Andrew Lloyd Webber is his office used to be in
the same Building as Ken Brooke's Magic Place (we shared the Loo).
Msg #11960 Dated 10:03:21 08-03-91 11897 <--> 11961
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
You have the wrong thread if it breaks, or the object is too heavy.
Thass' why you need to read Bracman and Jon -- I just found (at
FISM) A THREAD YOU ALMOST CANNOT SEE AT ALL, MADE OF METAL THAT
YOU ALMOST CANNOT BREAK! Don't know where the address is, but
when I find it will post.
Msg #11961 Dated 10:03:28 08-03-91 11897 <--> 11962
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Everybody, when they START using threads breaks 'em. You got to
practice. Start with stronger stuff that you can see when you
rehearse.
Msg #11962 Dated 10:03:34 08-03-91 11898 <--> 11988
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
To clarify... the car was an underpowered VW Bug.... OK?
Msg #11963 Dated 10:03:37 08-03-91 11900 <--> 11964
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Regenerated FAT, ugh sounds nauseaus....arghh
Msg #11964 Dated 10:03:45 08-03-91 11913 <--> 11965
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'll bet the so called classical writer's weren't thought so until
years after their passing.... anybody know?
Msg #11965 Dated 10:03:55 08-03-91 11915 <--> 11966
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Leave a message for Patrice Moore, she works for Stan Alan and
I think there is (or maybe used to be) a magic shop in Los Alamitos.
Msg #11966 Dated 10:04:06 08-03-91 11917 <--> 11968
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Magic shops are in sleezy areas because the stuff they sell (to
pay the rent) is the joke crap, costumes etc. that appeal to those
kind of folks in those kinds of areas.
I used to work at the perfect example "Morcom's House of Novelties"
and actually designed and manufactured terrible tasteless stuff.
Our biggest seller was a Christmas Stocking stuff with Horse
Manure (dried of course)!!!! The owner actually kept a couple of
horses, just to gather, store and sell the HORESE ****!
However, in the Back was a great magic selection and upstairs we
had a killer little theater, club room, etc. with stage, lights
and so on. So the "back room" was the place!
If you used to go to Tannen's I hope it was to see people and go
to the Cafeteria later. When I used to go to NY alla time on biz,
there was no back room atmosphere at Tannens, but to go to the
TRUE BACK ROOM... was to go to Al Flosso's. Al, sadly, is no longer
with us... but his was one of the last great hangouts.
Msg #11967 Dated 10:04:27 08-03-91 11918 <--> 12096
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
No, nothing good on TV tonite... except a baseball game....
Msg #11968 Dated 10:04:30 08-03-91 11919 <--> 11970
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I once worked with an imaginary music group called "Capt. Fantasy
and his privates".
Msg #11970 Dated 10:04:50 08-03-91 11926 <--> 11971
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think the venerable Joe Stevens published (or has supply) of the
berg book. Oooops Berg Book.
Msg #11971 Dated 10:05:01 08-03-91 11928 <--> 11973
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You know I have the right frame and scope in the works... if that
fades lets hit PBS... OK Tablarini?
Msg #11972 Dated 10:05:09 08-03-91 11933 <--> 11991
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GOT IT
Remember, just being a member of MAGIC! DOES NOT qualify one to
have Brunswick Stew... it must be earned. (I guess finding the
Hotel de Carlo would qualify....)
Msg #11973 Dated 10:08:24 08-03-91 11915 <--> 11974
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Why not take a monthly run down to San Diego. Seems like there are a
couple of pretty nice shops down there if I recall, plus you could
lunch in La Jolla which wooden be so bad.
Msg #11974 Dated 10:08:34 08-03-91 11917 <--> 11977
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
To me, I don't think the concern is whether the general pupulation
perceives magic as an art, but in our own perceptions of the art of
magic. I don't think the population perceives music as an art either.
I think their perception of art is that of something old and boring.
My 1938 Webster's 1st definition of art is thus; Skill in PERFORMANCE
acquired by experience, study, or observation. The 9th is; The black
art; magic -. The definitions go on to list things such as learning,
science, the ability to adapt or create contrivances. As we approach
the current day, the definitions have changes to allow for expression
and perception; however, art's history is rooted in individualism and
skill, not in public perception.
Msg #11975 Dated 10:31:17 08-03-91 -> 11995
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: TOPIT
Apparently you succeeded in getting down to the bottom of your desk.
Wsh I culd say the same. Thanks for Jeff's number. San Diego is more
convenient and Jeff did show me his coat in Las Vegas. Is there a way
to sell patterns for a black bag?
Msg #11977 Dated 10:53:22 08-03-91 11817 <--> 11978
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I see, so the statement is left to stand unchallenged, eh?
'W.
Msg #11978 Dated 10:54:55 08-03-91 11819 <--> 11979
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You were right on the second point...that IS a nasty crack!
'W.
Msg #11979 Dated 10:57:55 08-03-91 11827 <--> 11980
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Did you know William Powell???
Wow!
'W.P. (The other one)
Msg #11980 Dated 10:58:40 08-03-91 11828 <--> 11981
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I knew it....messages from you are getting to be like cheap greeting
cards of the tall and supposedly humorous kind!
hehehe.
'W.
Msg #11981 Dated 11:11:40 08-03-91 11934 <--> 11986
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Louis Tannen must be spinning in his grave to see what has become of
the integrity he left behind.
'W.
Msg #11982 Dated 11:19:01 08-03-91 11843 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PEE WEE
...and "docudrama" on television helps not one bit.
'W.
Msg #11985 Dated 11:39:05 08-03-91 11935 <--> 11999
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Sometimes quieter is better. Andres Segovia used to give "classical"
guitar contcerts sans mic. The first few seconds of music couldn't be
heard but quickly the audience shushed itself and soon the halls were
filled with beautiful melodies. I used this technique when I taught
school (learned from a Segovia essay) and had the quietest classrooms
in Amherst.
Msg #11986 Dated 11:39:13 08-03-91 11944 <--> 11987
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
A USO show Christmas Eve in Vietnam near the DMZ, I don't remember th
town, but we were trying to work for Marines and Army guys having
drunken fist fights with each other. machine gun fire outside the
crude building and the chance of a rocket attack had everybody on
edge. I asked the mandolin player to start quietly playing _Silent
Night off the mic. The rest of us slowly joined in and before it
was over everybody was crying, singing, and hugging each other. Best
part was, chopper pilot back down south let me sit up front and fly
a Huey going back to Saigon. I always felt with the audience and
guess I built a pretty good rapport with most audiences; though like
you say, someofem you can't do crap with. I think the town (village)
was Ben Hua.
Msg #11987 Dated 11:39:29 08-03-91 11952 <--> 11989
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I see the biggest contribution so far as thinking about who did what
and for giving proper credit and that it is wrong to steal other's
stuff.
Msg #11988 Dated 11:39:35 08-03-91 11960 <--> 12001
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Now, metal thread sounds quite useful. Do please, post the address
when you find it.
Msg #11989 Dated 11:39:40 08-03-91 11966 <--> 11990
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Isn't Flosso's still in biz with his son running the place?
Msg #11990 Dated 11:39:44 08-03-91 11971 <--> 11996
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, Pete re: PBS. I'm with you.
Msg #11991 Dated 11:39:49 08-03-91 11972 <--> 12003
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOT IT
Any MAGIC! members who can find The Hotel DeCarlo and who can get
past the dogs without being mauled are certainly welcome here anytime
as long as we're here.
Msg #11992 Dated 11:39:54 08-03-91 -> 12079
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: FECHTER'S AT THE FORKS
Ee;11934
This might be good news to some of you, especially the handfull who
were involved in the early days of the FFFF. It appears that the new
owners of the Forks are excited about magic and keeping the FFFF
convention there. This from a good source. Would imagine that the
22nd if held there will kick some a.
Msg #11993 Dated 11:45:28 08-03-91 -> 12080
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: STEPHEN MINCH
Many thanks for recommending Minch's "Lovecraftian Ceremonies" and
"From Witchcraft to Card Tricks." Both are very interesting and suit my
overall presentational style. "Lovecraftian Ceremonies" is a good
companion to Eugene Burger's "Spirit Theater."
Philip.
Msg #11994 Dated 12:24:55 08-03-91
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: ALL
Re: ROTH LECTURE UPDATE
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.
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.
A Four-Hour seminar from one of the finest coin manipulators
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.
WHEN: SATURDAY, AUGUST 10, 1991 - 10:00 AM
WHERE: UCLA SCHOENBERG HALL - ROOM 1325
PRICE: $25.00 Per Person - Advance Reservations
.......$35.00 Per Person - At the Door
.
EXCLUSIVE LOS ANGELES APPERANCE, David will NOT be
lecturing at THE MAGIC CASTLE THIS TIME.
.
"A legend in his own time", says Dai Vernon
.
Amphitheater style seating! NO BAD SEATS!! Large screen
video projection for EXCELLENT viewing!!!
.
For Reservation, send check Payable to IBM RING 21 To:
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(Limited to 10 people per workshop) on Sunday, August 11th.
.
WHERE: Cedar Lodge Rec Room, 2018 Griffith Park Blvd in LA.
WHEN: Sunday, August 11th.
TIME: 1:00pm and 4:00pm
PRICE: $35.00 Per Person
Msg #11995 Dated 12:55:21 08-03-91 11975 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: TOPIT
I think Magic Inc. sells topits, with the Pat Page instructions.
Msg #11996 Dated 12:55:27 08-03-91 11979 <--> 11997
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think he was thinkin of another bird... Walter Pidgeon.
Msg #11997 Dated 12:55:30 08-03-91 11980 <--> 11998
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I used to draw and manufacture tall and very humourous cards when
I was 18 years old. And... HONEST... about five years ago I was in
a card shop and there were a couple of guys looking at a card
laffing like crazy... I edged over, looked over their shoulders
and it was a card I had drawn about 35 years ago! God, I should
have done the royalty deal instead of the "all rights"....yar....
(it wasn't that good, but it was (is) funny.)
Msg #11998 Dated 12:55:39 08-03-91 11981 <--> 12000
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Last I hear Lou has been through China three times!
Msg #11999 Dated 12:55:43 08-03-91 11985 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Yep. As when Jay Marshall and Lefty get into arguement and the
words become whispers!!!
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