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Msg #12000 Dated 12:55:49 08-03-91 -> 12002
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
YOW... what a great experience... and lesson...
Msg #12001 Dated 12:55:53 08-03-91 -> 12034
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
I just looked where I thought it was and it'wernt... I know I gave
it to Joe Stevens so he could get a supply... It is from Japan and
runs about a hide a foot... but handled it mine self and it was
GREAT... the guy only had the sample left had sold out... Will keep
chekin...
Msg #12002 Dated 12:56:00 08-03-91 -> 12007
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, Jackie Flosso still has the place, but understand the mood is
not the same... there was only one AL FLOSSO...
Msg #12003 Dated 12:56:05 08-03-91 -> 12015
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GOT IT
It ain't easy... I left half a leg with the doggies...
Msg #12004 Dated 12:56:11 08-03-91 -> 12081
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: 12K
Gee, I just posted message nr. 12,000. Big deal, huh...
Msg #12006 Dated 13:52:55 08-03-91
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOPIT
Got your message, Pete. Thanks for the info!
Msg #12007 Dated 14:09:27 08-03-91 -> 12008
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
While I was still in the military (ours), and before I Saw The Light
and got into mentalism, I did a lot of closeup; one thing about a
service audience -- if they know what you're doing, if they see
something, you'll find out about it pronto.
Msg #12008 Dated 14:11:08 08-03-91 -> 12011
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Remeber the Larson cartoon? "Welcome to heaven, here's your
harp/welcome to hell, here's your accordion."
Msg #12009 Dated 14:16:54 08-03-91 -> 12097
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIRTUAL REALITY
Didn't mean to imply VR was simply cyberpunk; most of the hot stuff, in
fact, is military (how surprised are we?). It just happened to be
discussed in a cyberpunk mag.
Msg #12011 Dated 14:27:43 08-03-91 -> 12012
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Maybe you should've published the cards with a Cervon/Weber restriction
printed on back!
'W.
Msg #12012 Dated 14:29:34 08-03-91 -> 12016
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
...via a subterranean passage which has been echoing with sounds of
"Aaarrgghhhh!" Perhaps old Lou has actually been SPINA-ing in his
grave!
'W.
Msg #12015 Dated 16:17:52 08-03-91 -> 12077
From: RICK RUHL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GOT IT
Sounds good, yep, I will have a car. I'll get with you later in the
week or after i arrive and set things up. Whatever is convient for you
would be great! Looking forward to it.
Rikker
Msg #12016 Dated 16:23:59 08-03-91 -> 12017
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Not a clue! Good question...
Msg #12017 Dated 16:24:44 08-03-91 -> 12018
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I know there used to be one - a big one if I recall. Nothing in the
phone books anymore, but I'll try Patrice.
Msg #12018 Dated 16:25:51 08-03-91 -> 12019
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I had the opportunity, only once, of seeing the Flosso-Hornmann back
room. That was just before Al Flosso passed away. I was only about
sixteen at the time, but it had a great affect on my respect for
magicians. Tannen's when you're sixteen isn't a bad place. I haven't
been there in about fifteen years.
Msg #12019 Dated 16:30:22 08-03-91 -> 12020
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Awfully profound and valid point there, Mr Crabb, sir. You are right,
art is in the eye of the beholder (or doer). But for commercial sake,
it sure wood be nice for the viewing public to agree. Skill in
performance, etc, sure covers a lot of territory! I'm starting to feel
very _artistic_....
Msg #1220 atd 16:35:39 08-03-91 -> 12021
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
That sounds like it could be a lot of fun! I'll check out some
addresses. Maybe even get the husband to go along (he's feeling a
little left out from MAGIC! & stuff) Maybe I could get
him involved in it a little! Lunch in La Jolla, eh....
Msg #12021 Dated 16:45:42 08-03-91 -> 12022
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Wanna know a bad audience? I actually sang for a Shriner's New Year's
Eve Party in Beverly, Mass. What a group!
Msg #12022 Dated 17:06:21 08-03-91 12007 <--> 12023
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I recall one time cheating at dice in the army. Suddenly realized
they would kill me if I screwed up... so I quit.
Msg #12023 Dated 17:06:26 08-03-91 12008 <--> 12024
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What's the diff between an accordian and an Onion? I've never heard
anyone cry when you chop up an accordian!
Msg #12024 Dated 17:06:31 08-03-91 12011 <--> 12025
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I was too stupid to think when I was 16!
Msg #12025 Dated 17:06:34 08-03-91 12012 <--> 12026
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You have done the Ultimate line on that thread!!!!!!
Msg #12026 Dated 17:06:38 08-03-91 12019 <--> 12027
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You are hereby BANNNNNNNNNED FROM THIS BOARD for using the word
Mr. in the same message as the word CRABB!!!!!
Msg #12027 Dated 17:06:43 08-03-91 12021 <--> 12029
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No, I don't wanna know a bad audience. Altho I guess it might be
fun to train them....
Msg #12029 Dated 17:41:47 08-03-91 -> 12030
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I am not interested in developing a scientific definition. But "I know
it when I hear it" is not sufficient, either. It is music, almost
always symphonic in nature, that is written in certain classical
compositional structures and modalities.
My definition of classical music is certainly not the point. Unless
you are arguing that is it a thriving art in terms of new composition.
That is is not IS my point, and seems to me obvious an unarguable.
Trace the thread back, and my ORIGINAL point was that we don't want
magic to get in the same place.
Msg #12030 Dated 17:44:38 08-03-91 -> 12031
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
First -- I hope you're right. Second, I think we're not giving them
what they want -- and that goes back to the old presentational
discussion -- our presentation is generally antique. Penn & Teller are
write about some things.
Msg #12031 Dated 17:49:05 08-03-91 -> 12032
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
All arts are filled with their masters -- people who receive no due
recognition from the public. Writers, actors, all of them.
This is not to lessen the sadness surrounding this lack of recog.
I feel strongly, as other people definitely do not, that entertainment
is a marketplace situation. If we want our art to thrive, we must
produce something the public likes -- if we see our art as
ENTERTAINMENT. In my mind, magic is a performing art. A brilliant art
the public loathes is not inherently good or bad. It just seems
foolish to bemoan the lack of public acceptance/acknowledgement, then
ALSO bemoan the fact that good art does not automatically bring
success. The latter is certainly true -- but when all one wants is
public acceptance, you do certain things. When you want to reach a
certain inner standard, as I suspect you do, you do something else. I
think it's a waste of energy to feel too much regret that one's own
(high) inner standards are not also the public's.
Msg #12032 Dated 17:53:58 08-03-91 -> 12033
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
One day, when you least expect it, I will be waiting.
Msg #12033 Dated 17:54:43 08-03-91 -> 12035
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Playing some if John Williams late-seventies, early-eighties work
alongside Korngold's, is an interesting exerpience.
Msg #12034 Dated 18:07:50 08-03-91 12001 <--> 12052
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Is it as thin as the best "invisible" thread?
Msg #12035 Dated 20:25:20 08-03-91 12024 <--> 12036
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I could say that some things never change, but that would be a cruel
comment.
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'W.
Msg #12036 Dated 20:28:56 08-03-91 12025 <--> 12039
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Heh, heh...well, Peter....I'm delighted to see that you are recovering
a portion of your good taste!
'W.
Msg #12039 Dated 20:41:29 08-03-91 12012 <--> 12040
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think the canonization of Louis Tannen is somewhat questionable. Lou
was a very nice guy, and when the shop was still under his guidance it
was set out as a meeting place, with table and chairs, and magicians
were encouraged to hang out. (The new shop, on the other hand, has no
place to sit, a deliberate effort to encourage people to buy and then
leave.) However, Lou was a dealer, and as such he had a measure of
ruthlessness. There are plenty of examples of times he allowed his
ethics to be quite flexible for the sake of financial benefit.
The big difference between Lou and his successors, I think, is that
despite his sometimes sharklike dealer mentality, at the core he truly
loved magic. This was also true of Mike Tannen. Irv Tannen, on the
other hand, seemed rather bored by the enterprise, although this
attitude may have been a later development. (The irony is that, of the
three, Irv is the one whose kid is now performing magic.)
Msg #12040 Dated 22:11:08 08-03-91 12029 <--> 12041
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Whether or not classical music is thriving depends PRECISELY on how you
define it; by yours, it ain't -- by mine, it is. Magic should only be
so lucky as to get to the same place.
Msg #12041 Dated 23:42:43 08-03-91 -> 12042
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I must admit, T A, that I seem to consistently have a great deal of
difficulty discerning your definition of "art." On the one hand, it
seems terribly restrictive - art can't be this, art can't be that; then
again, it must be accompanied by no restrictions - art cannot be
subject to the control of society nor to its acceptance by the public;
and then it must be successful, as measured by audience appreciation
and audience size.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to provide your definition of art?
Also, although I find the term BBS abhorrent, I also view MAGIC! as, at
least in part, a conversation pit. Ideally, it facilitates
communication within the magic community. As such, I do think that it
can serve to improved the art of magic.
Msg #12042 Dated 23:50:05 08-03-91 -> 12043
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm crushed that you will not be joining the Society for the
Preservation and Enhancement of Magic in America (SPEMA). I had hoped
to invite you to serve on the Board of Directors.
You know _far_ _more_ about the media environment than I do. And,
indeed, the fact that Slydini's death went largely ignored is tragic.
But, again, is that the media's fault or our own? Is anyone out there
(and this is not a rhetorical question, it is a genuine one) actively
"selling" magic to the media? Or do we somehow expect them to find us?
Have good proposals been made to PBS? Are they, on a regular basis,
made aware of magic news?
As to the last paragraph of your messages - there I must take exception
to a couple of statements. One: there is no such thing as "the
exception that tests the rule." I suspect that you know perfectl ell
that it ranks right up with the gambler's fallacy as bugaboo and cant.
The analogy strikes me as singularly hollow, but, then again, I'm sure
that some of mine have struck you that way too. The reality is that
Copperfield does a terrific job of bringing good magic to the American
public. He alone seems to have the combination of ability and media
savvy to do it. I really do believe that if those talents were more
generalized, we would see more respect for magic in the media and in
the general population.
Msg #12043 Dated 0:03:13 08-04-91 -> 12044
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The box seats at the Bowl are now canvas folding chairs. They are
reasonably comfortable and are kept in good repair. The fireworks do
not occur on Thursday nights, although they are frequent on Friday and
Saturday nights. Last year, for the first time in many years, there
was one awful attempt at lousing up Thursday nights - it was a
presentation arranged by Peter Sellars. It is my fondest hope that his
experiments will not be repeated.
Msg #12045 Dated 0:09:41 08-04-91 -> 12046
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thank you, Jerry. At this time we are interested in donated equipment
that would meet our needs. If you are in a position to donate some, we
should chat in private. The right stuff could really help!
Msg #12046 Dated 0:11:30 08-04-91 -> 12047
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I wander into the local magic shops, mostly either Magic World or
Hollywood Magic, every once in a while. The last time I was in
Hollywood Magic was with you and Jerry. I have been in Magic World
since then, probably a couple of weeks ago. And, of course, I did buy
a lot of stuff at the IBM Convention, mostly books, but some Sasco
coins and a few interesting things.
I do have a lot of gimmicks around, but, by and large, I am more into
books (which I generally order either from Burt Carpenter here on-line
or direct, or in the case of old books, primarily from H&R), research
and my own development.
Msg #12047 Dated 0:15:03 08-04-91 -> 12048
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Max -
I'm having a bit of a problem with the spelling of magicalumpen. It
seems inordinately hard to pronounce. Is magiclumpen acceptable?
Msg #12048 Dated 0:17:10 08-04-91 -> 12049
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Ken Hensley, in Claremont, has a shop that has been purely magic. He
was a member of MAGIC!, but I haven't heard from him in some time, so
I don't know how the shop is doing, or if the character of it has
changed.
By and large, it seems that one, even if one is Hollywood Magic, cannot
make a living off of pure magic. Generally, the magic is carried
because the proprietor is interested and wishes to support it. The
income of most shops seems to come from either the tasteless videos and
jokes, or from costumes and balloons.
Msg #12049 Dated 0:20:52 08-04-91 -> 12050
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If you've got some tapes of the Tidewater Report, I'd like to hear 'em
sometime. Could probably send you copies of my airchecks from the 60's
in exchange. You can listen to a younger version of myself attempt to
pronounce Dien Bien Phu and the names of the constantly changing rulers
of Viet Nam.
Msg #12050 Dated 0:24:00 08-04-91 -> 12051
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks, but who is Arsenio?
Msg #12051 Dated 0:24:03 08-04-91 12047 <--> 12053
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
i DON'T THINK LUMPEN AS YOU SAY IS AT ALL ACCEPTABLE... MAGICAL IS JUST
AS EASY TO SAY AS MAGIC
Msg #12052 Dated 0:25:23 08-04-91 12034 <--> 12074
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
Nothing is as good as "INVISIBLE" -- if you are asking about the
metal thread... for stage work, dancing cane, etc. it is the way
to go... very thin, but mainly you will not break it! Right Tabb?
If you wanna know about thread, get Finn Jon and Bracco's books.
Direction of light is the key... brighter in most cases is better.
Msg #12053 Dated 0:25:31 08-04-91 12039 <--> 12054
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Most people never new of "Circle Magic" owned by Lou Tannen's
bro. Mike. Irv was (to me) very likable as well, but I didn't see
him much in the later period of which you speak. You are pretty
right on as to ruthlessness, etc. and that LOU really loved magic
more than Irving. Mike seemed to as well, in a different context.
Msg #12054 Dated 0:25:38 08-04-91 12045 <--> 12055
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I have seven old 1940s joke books that I will donate to MAGIC!
Members are to send their bids to Lichtman the Frog PRIVATELY, I
don't want to know about it. David will then tell me who gets them
and I will mail them. Only after David gets the moola. He will set
the rules and deadline. At least 20 minutes, no more than 18 weeks,
please. Har. These are not killers, nor are they big, but they are
funny and only need someone like W.P. to deliver the lines, with
updating if you please. Minimum bid should be $14.00, maximum will
stop at $ --- nah, let it go to the sky...ARGHHGRA
Msg #12055 Dated 0:25:11 08-04-91 -> 12056
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Still don't know what this Arsenio thing is. I got Cable, LaserDisc,
SuperBeta, VHS, Hi-8, CD, Cassette, Reel-to-reel, LP, and even 8-Track,
but no Arsenio.
Is it something new?
Msg #12056 Dated 0:27:06 08-04-91 -> 12057
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, I wonder who the bunglers were who messed up the present
generation's appreciation of magic? The kid magicians DO have the
power to influence magic, I don't know if they have the responsibility
(I read Max's post some time ago about magician's responsibility).
Msg #12057 Dated 0:30:15 08-04-91 -> 12058
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You've triggered a memory on my part. I think that my first serious
love affair with magic was triggered by a magician in the Catskills.
I also remember being awed by a balloon bender there.
Magician in the Catskills... nah, it couldn't have been! Seems to me
he was taller than you are... but, then again, I was shorter than I am.
Anyway, both of these performers were nice to the kids as well as the
adults (goes with what Tabman was saying about influence). That
experience, coupled with the nice guy who ran the magic store in my
town, were very likely the seeds of my own interest. Later I was
supported by the magic section of the town library.
Msg #12058 Dated 0:34:14 08-04-91 -> 12059
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If he's really sneaky, he'll run the cable under the road and put the
tower on top of one of the outbuildings at the Veteran's Home!
Msg #12059 Dated 0:35:14 08-04-91 -> 12060
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Great minds think alike! Besides, we must have both been fans of Waldo
Pflustelphliger.
Msg #12060 Dated 0:36:10 08-04-91 -> 12061
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yep - with the green card. You know, if you can really put this
one-shot show together, it could be a lot of fun! (RE: MAGIC! members
doing a show at the Castle).
Msg #12061 Dated 0:37:14 08-04-91 -> 12062
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You have a great idea there (do the preliminary survey with 20 random
names). Of course, it won't be as scientific as a Roper Poll, but I
might just give it a shot. GOOD IDEA, PETE.
Msg #12062 Dated 0:39:16 08-04-91 -> 12063
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah! Exactly what I have in mind - an all magic FM radio show. I'm
gonna do it with Teller.
Msg #12063 Dated 0:40:13 08-04-91 -> 12064
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yep - tricks, no lighting, music, choreography, etc. - saw the heroic
job the Tabman was doing at IBM with folks who didn't even know what to
ask for, who brought one copy of a crummy tape, etc. and who were
"pro." And then they complain that they ain't makin' it big.
Then again, when it comes to prestige, I think that magicians have it
easy! Those same guys could have become computer salesmen or lawyers.
Msg #12064 Dated 0:43:16 08-04-91 -> 12066
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Exactly my point - here was a lady who LIKED magic and who was in a
position to showcase some good magic, but no-one had ever bothered to
get themselves into a position where she could find them. Yep, here in
L.A. the yellow pages also feature DOO DOO the Clown - wonder if he's
a franchise?
Since you mentioned Lifesavers, I've been doing a first read on it for
the last couple of nights. It is truly a GREAT book. The stuff varies
from weird to good, but the clarity with which it is presented and the
inclusion (without in the least being annoying as some have said of
other books) of appropriate credits is EXCELLENT. I would recommend
the book with no hesitation.
Msg #12066 Dated 0:48:00 08-04-91 -> 12067
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It IS nauseous (regenerated FAT), and it will make your computer barf.
Loss of FAT is one of the most common causes of death in hard disks.
Hard disks are not like people - they thrive on FAT and seldom die with
their boots on.
Msg #12067 Dated 0:52:35 08-04-91 -> 12068
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Coming up to newstime one morning I closed on a cut by a jazz organist.
As a segue line, I said, "And, to take us to newstime, here is a little
taste of Jimmy Magriff's organ..."
Msg #12068 Dated 0:55:58 08-04-91 -> 12069
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Nope. Does William Powell appear on this Arsenio thing?
Msg #12069 Dated 0:56:29 08-04-91 -> 12070
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, I've always had a secret desire to write greeting cards. I
just don't know how to break into the market.
Msg #12070 Dated 1:00:54 08-04-91 12030 <--> 12071
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks for the support. Despite my lack of regard for Penn and Teller,
I have indicated before that they have a good sense of demographics and
they do pitch to a large audience segment. In that sense they are
successful.
Msg #12071 Dated 1:03:04 08-04-91 12031 <--> 12083
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Right on!
Msg #12073 Dated 1:07:29 08-04-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BEEN READING AGAIN
Good plan. The town has a bad rep.
Msg #12074 Dated 1:09:25 08-04-91 -> 12075
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Doesn't a thin metal thread have a tendancy to cut thru things? Like
the MAGICIAN? Also, regardless of how thin the metal is, doesn't it
shine?
Msg #12075 Dated 1:11:19 08-04-91 12052 <--> 12086
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Also, talk to Michael Ammar here on-line. He's been known to do some
thread work now and then.
Msg #12076 Dated 1:11:59 08-04-91 -> 12099
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Yeah! I thought Gary kinda liked us! Maybe one of us did a bad
shuffle or something?
Msg #12077 Dated 1:14:29 08-04-91 12003 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOT IT
Geez! I had no trouble with the doggies. They welcomed me like I was
one of their long lost brothers or somethin'. But you'd already been
there a day and I DID notice that they made me promise not to do any
packet tricks.
Msg #12079 Dated 1:25:11 08-04-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FECHTER'S AT THE FORKS
Great news about FFFF, Tab. Thanks.
Msg #12080 Dated 1:25:38 08-04-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: STEPHEN MINCH
Glad you liked 'em, Philip. Also glad you got a copy of "Witchcraft"
as it is apparently a limited edition.
Msg #12081 Dated 1:26:53 08-04-91 12004 <--> 12119
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 12K
Congratulations on posting message #12,000. Of course, since we
renumbered that is the 12,000th for THIS YEAR. The actual total to
date is 22,000+!
By the way, I passed my 3,000th logon yesterday.
Msg #12083 Dated 1:33:02 08-04-91 12051 <--> 12084
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, but that puts the "L" on "magica." It belongs with "umpen."
Msg #12084 Dated 1:35:44 08-04-91 12054 <--> 12085
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
WOW! Thanks, Pete! I'll come up with an official auction announcement
later on Sunday!
But, if you sell 'em to another MAGIC! member it means we'll still be
seeing material from 'em on-line . . .
Msg #12085 Dated 1:56:48 08-04-91 -> 12088
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yipes! Is he going to be OK? What kind is it?
Msg #12086 Dated 1:56:14 08-04-91 -> 12087
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I would be very interested in that metal thread when you find the
source. I recently read a good routine in the Linking Ring using a
reel and rope. I purchased a reel (Made by Suds) but the thread is too
thick and black. It really stands out against the white rope. I have
heard that a good substitute for this is surgical suture thread. Much
thinner and very strong. Any other ideas on this?
Msg #12087 Dated 2:02:47 08-04-91 12034 <--> 12090
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
The metal thread is not as thin as the usual invisible thread you would
use for close up, but for stage it is very good. In close up you need
some cover. It is very strong. It can lift a can of heineken beer, but
you must first drink about half of it. Another nice quality of the
thread is that it will warn you before breaking. The thread, when it
reaches its maximum tension, suddenly becomes elastic! This you can
feel. If you put on more tension, then it breaks. So you get a warning.
One problem is, when there are little curls in the thread. If these
loops are strechted, then the thread is straight again, except that the
thread will be kinked, and that becomes a weak point. So it is
important not to twirl the thread and prevent those little loops to
dvelop.
Msg #12088 Dated 2:26:49 08-04-91 12041 <--> 12089
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
To take your second point first -- I'd point out that there is a good
deal of communication within the magic community -- magazines, books,
seminars and lectures, etc., and I am not convinced it has benefited
from it. When everyone is saying the same thing to each other, as
often happens, there isn't communication, just reaffirmation of one's
own thoughts.
Art, to me, is what happens when perfect craft is melded to
meaningful concept; something that communicates an idea, something that
once viewed changes the viewer in some way, makes them look at the
world or a small corner of it in a new way. It doesn't have to
communicate to everyone -- when that's tried, what we usually end up
with is television -- but on the other hand it shouldn't be so precious
as to be incomprehensible to all but a few initiates.
In larger terms I think "art" is a judgement of posterity; now we
consider Shakespeare and Dickens to be artists, but in their own time
they were simply pro wordsmiths, Shakespeare producing material for his
company and Dickens writing serials while the kid from the magazine
waited, check in hand. I think art implies imagination and creativity,
and I see all too many magic acts which possess neither. Certainly
this is not a problem peculiar to magic -- but magic is what we're
concerned with here.
I could go into more detail - pages of it - but everyone has their
own definition. I will say that if you gave me a list of performers I
could pretty quickly run down it and tell you who I considered an
artist and who not. Mind you, this doesn't mean I have to LIKE what
they do; there are people whose work I can't stand, because of subject
matter or approach, but who I recognize are artists.
Msg #12089 Dated 2:37:33 08-04-91 12042 <--> 12091
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Can't resist replying to this too; the idea of "selling magic" to the
media is to me an appalling concept. It's like selling classical music
as a notion -- deadly. There are a wide range of performers in magic,
and what should be "sold" are the talents of INDIVIDUAL PERFORMERS; you
can't get blanket respect for any medium of entertainment -- the
problem with magic is that the general competency is so low that there
IS a perceived lack of respect for it.
Msg #12090 Dated 2:44:55 08-04-91 12087 <--> 12098
From: T A WATERS
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
Tommy -- did you ever consider that after drinking half the can, you
just can't SEE the thread as well?
Msg #12091 Dated 2:46:08 08-04-91 12042 <--> 12092
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, there are people out there actively "selling" (or at least trying
to) magic to the media.
Yes, I believe that there _is_ such a thing as an exception that tests
the rule.
Copperfield's success has much to do with his "combination of ability
and media savvy," but there are other factors, and you are wrong to
suppose that this combination is singularly David's.
Msg #12092 Dated 2:49:03 08-04-91 12047 <--> 12093
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No. Pronounce it "magic'lumpen" if it's easier, but spell it correctly,
please.
Msg #12093 Dated 2:50:41 08-04-91 12053 <--> 12094
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Lest my comments be misconstrued, I found Irv to be a very likable
fellow, too.
Msg #12094 Dated 2:53:51 08-04-91 12083 <--> 12106
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No, it belongs with both; that's what makes it an appealing neologism,
at least to its creator. If you drop the "a" you lose the shared "l".
Msg #12096 Dated 3:12:26 08-04-91 -> 12133
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Goy the dome stuff, made my mouth water. Will send for the brochures
and a plannibg Monday's mail. Got the other stuff as well will start
working on it right a way. I'll be in most all of Sunday, may go
bike riding in late afternoon.
Msg #12097 Dated 3:12:32 08-04-91 12009 <--> 12164
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIRTUAL REALITY
Pardon my ignorance, but what is cyberpunk ? Punkers with computer
connectors on their foreheads, or what ?
Msg #12098 Dated 3:12:36 08-04-91 -> 12118
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
The metal thread sounds like the ticket. How much can you heft with
it ? Have a levitation effect I've been working on using Bao Ding
balls (you know those chinese exercise balls you roll around in your
hand) and this metal stuff sounds idea. Please do post the address.
.
Thanks - Burton the Bizarre
Msg #12099 Dated 3:12:43 08-04-91 12076 <--> 12101
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Must have been you, I don't do windows or cards.
Msg #12101 Dated 3:25:24 08-04-91 12099 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MESSAGE
If you don't do windows or cards your future in computing liesentirely
in Amiga's hands.
Msg #12102 Dated 3:54:42 08-04-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-41
The forty-first set of MAGIC! messages - #10000 (July 26, 1991) to
#10499 (July 28, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable file.
The file is named MAGIC-41.TXT. This means that you can now go to
the file area, download this file, and read the forty-first volume of
messages off-line. For those who know how to use the PKUNZIP system
for uncompressing files, there is a compressed version of this same
file. It is called MAGIC-41.ZIP and is less than 1/2 the size of
the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #12105 Dated 7:59:51 08-04-91 -> 12126
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Hope I'm not being redundant with some of the metal thread information,
but I was first made aware of it about 6 years ago by Palmer Tilden, up
in Redwood City. His number is 415-365-3818. I'm leaving his number
because, as I understand it, he has marketed the best of what he found
under the name of Weight Lifter. This was an 'Invisible Thread' that
could lift as much as a full pack of cards. The metal thread is
available in a much wider range of thickness than the thread is,
for some reason. From thin enough for eye stitches, to something you
can see fairly easily.
The problems with the wire, as Sysop pointed out, is the reflection.
Just like the invisible elastic, it really can shine. I was working on
a floating lit match using the wire, and when the flame got near the
wire, about an inch of it would start to glow brightly before it
snapped. Kinda' like a bonus effect.
Another consideration is that the wire tends to hold its shape, much
more so that the thread. It can kink at a right angle, and pretty much
retain that kink throughout. In certain effects, this could really be
helpful, of course, but in others, it could haunt you. The thicker
threads, for example, could make nice harness loops.
Unfortunately for Jerry Burton, The Baoding Iron balls are probably too
heavy, even if they are hollow! (Or did he just sucker me in with that
one?)
Msg #12106 Dated 9:47:18 08-04-91 12055 <--> 12107
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tabman, I think you need to look all around Charlotte HALL to find
an Arsenio.
Msg #12107 Dated 9:47:24 08-04-91 12056 <--> 12108
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I suddenly realized, last night, near the end of the wine bottle
that T. Wonder, L. Healy and I were consuming, that it is not magic
that is messed up by certain generations. EVERYTHING is messed up
by them. You want to see the real ARGH?
Msg #12108 Dated 9:47:32 08-04-91 12057 <--> 12109
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Couldn'ta been yours truly, I have never bent a balloon in my life.
I can't stand the squeaking noise. I have even run onstage with
an OIL CAN to help balloonalumpkin stop the squeaks.
Msg #12109 Dated 9:47:38 08-04-91 12058 <--> 12110
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
And play marching fuges, right?
Msg #12110 Dated 9:47:43 08-04-91 12059 <--> 12111
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Waldo was probably capable of doing three to four hours with the
Linking Ropes. Something I have never been able to acomplish. I do
know, however, he is the only person Howie Schwarzman ever taught
"his" handling to.
.
Additionally Waldo was able to shuffle cards in his mouth.
Msg #12111 Dated 9:47:52 08-04-91 12060 <--> 12112
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, but you see, they don't all have to be there at one time. You
will ve videotaping each performer -- for the Arsenio show -- and
then when the tape becomes a Joe Stevens *Best Seller* everyone will
see what great magic has been learned on this hear keyboard.
Msg #12112 Dated 9:48:00 08-04-91 12061 <--> 12113
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Waldo ROPER once called to Poll me, but I said, "Nothin doin fella"
Msg #12113 Dated 9:48:04 08-04-91 12063 <--> 12114
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah, but they wouldn't have had the great TABARINI to fall back
on....
Msg #12114 Dated 9:48:09 08-04-91 12064 <--> 12115
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Especially if you want your Life Saved. Also I would recommend the
"Encyclopedia of Impromptu Magic" by Martin Gardner. (I might have
the title wrong as I is writing this from my amazing memory, and my
memory glands are a little fogged after watching Tommy Wonder ddo
(do) more than seven hours of packet tricks last night.
Msg #12115 Dated 9:48:17 08-04-91 12066 <--> 12116
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I do not have the knowledge to reply to message 12066, I think.
Msg #12116 Dated 9:48:21 08-04-91 12069 <--> 12117
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Easy. Just write a bunch of them and send them to Hallmark. If they
are any good they will get there. With the tenacity you displayed
on getting INTO and talking to someone at US Playing Card.... etc.
Msg #12117 Dated 9:48:27 08-04-91 12070 <--> 12120
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
They are successful for many reasons. One (and foremost) is their
contemporary HIP attitude. Two, wardrobe, look. Three, content.
They do mostly their OWN stuff, they are VERY creative. Four?, they
were/are DEDICATED.
Msg #12118 Dated 9:48:34 08-04-91 12074 <--> 12122
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
An arm chopper improperly used will cut through things.
.
The Keller Levitation utilized 50-100 wires in full view of the
audience. Going up in a fanned out attitude and down through the
floor in a like manner. They could not be seen because they were
"blued" (the same blueing used to color rifle barrels) -- and were
properly lit. Bright from the front with no side, top light and
in front of a broken up background. So.... they became INVISIBLE.
When you work, impromptu or otherwise, you mist CONTROL the light
direction and the background. Finn Jon is a master at this. He will
sit in the CORRECT seat in a restaurant, based on these factors.
He will then "rig" the area with thread to perform a miracle IF THE
SITUATION ARISES. I have seen him get all set up and not do anything
but he was ready!
.
Shine? If you look at any of the so called INVISIBLE threads, if
you see them, they usually SHINE LIKE HELL. Even the killer thread
Steve Fearson used at FISM to do the floating cigarette "shone"
terribly from one angle (unfortunately the angle many of the
Jury were watching from) --- BECAUSE THE LIGHT WAS COMING DOWN AND
FROM BEHIND HIM. He was NOT IN CONTROL of the scene, and had no
option HE HAD TO WORK when his time came.
.
I had complained to the committee the day before (the first day
of the close up competitions) that the LIGHTING was wrong and would
HINDER many perfomers. They had (I will try to show this on the
keyboard here. L=Light shining down from ceiling, W=Work area for
the performers. These were pretty bright spots.
.
L L
W
L L
.
Each of the four L)lights were pointed down at the W. ARggghhhhh.
One performer, I forget who it was, DID SEE IT WAS BAD AND MOVED
THE TABLE A FEW FEET BACK.... BUT WAS "IN THE DARK" and it didn't
help at all. Another was smart enough to somehow get them to
turn OFF the two lights BEHIND HIM. But the focus of the two
remaining lights was not too good and he didn't fare that well,
visibility-wise.
When Ammar worked (not in the competition) I believe he was able
to make some adjustments... and he worked over to one side a bit.
His Tabman Table pulled many good looks and provided ample mis-
direction, of course!
Msg #12119 Dated 9:49:19 08-04-91 12081 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 12K
What did you use? Metamucil?
Msg #12120 Dated 9:49:23 08-04-91 12083 <--> 12121
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You are probably just having difficulty pronouncing a long word,
one with 12 letters in it.
Msg #12121 Dated 9:49:28 08-04-91 12084 <--> 12123
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My secret is out.... darn.... Speaking of 'DARN' how many women of
the current younger set (18-30) know how to, or have ever heard of
DARNING sock?
.
Not a put down, just a fact I want to check out?
Msg #12122 Dated 9:49:36 08-04-91 12086 <--> 12124
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
The so called INVISIBLE threads will not hold up in a reel. I do
a Bagel up the Rope and have substituted the black thread for the
nylon clear thread you buy at the sewing counter. I also use just
good old White Thread for the Serpent Silk, when using a white
silk.
Msg #12123 Dated 9:49:43 08-04-91 12088 <--> 12127
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Good IDEA, T A. A list of those you consider artists. OK, I will
start with my top ten! (no particular order)
Cardini
Roy Benson
Fred Kaps
Topper Martyn
Channing Pollack
Al Flosso
Ballantine
Tommy Cooper
Dai Vernon
Slydini
.
I might be a little heavy on talking/funny, but that to me is what
I like best, and these are/were true artists.. ORIGINALS.. and
have not been equalled.
The best example is the artistry of Cardini. Many, many, many, many
have been accused of copying this performer. Yet, I have NEVER SEEN
anyone copy the ARTISTRY.... (the attitude, the style, the way the
cards were ANNOYING him, in his way... he was constantly just trying
to GET ON WITH IT, but cards just kept appearing, bothering him,
he kept throwing them away)... the copyists DID NOT SEE THE ART.
They only saw the TRICKS....
Msg #12124 Dated 9:50:08 08-04-91 12090 <--> 12125
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Thread, wet down with beer, DOES INDEED BECOME HARDER TO SEE. But
you can have trouble with the hops.
Msg #12125 Dated 9:50:13 08-04-91 12098 <--> 12132
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
It ain't close up thred.... do like (I hate to keep repeating his
name, but) Finn Jon.... he has a very heavy silver ball, and when
he comes to the floating, switches for one that is weightlesser.
(new word). If you are gonna use this at stage distance it might
be OK. I still haven't found the scrap of paper with the address
on it... but (I hate to keep using his name, but) Joe Stevens has
ordered a batch of it from the manufacturer and will soon have a
supply.
Msg #12126 Dated 9:50:24 08-04-91 12105 <--> 12228
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: TRIX
Thanks for the info and the USA source for these threads... Hope you
had a successful Eurotrip. I got home and it took a week to recover
from the gruelling FISM sked they had me on.... argh....
Sure wish we could have fixed the lighting for the guys in the
close up competition. But everytime I mentioned it some guy would
mumble something and walk off with his shrugging el shoulders bit.
Even the sound system sucked (wireless guys!!!).
Funny, one of the best, and probably the one that got an awful lot
of the thread work started was Kaps' floating cork and NOBODY is
doing it anymore. It would be new again! Hang in there....
Msg #12127 Dated 10:15:22 08-04-91 12106 <--> 12128
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What, did I mispell Arsenio? I was lying anyway. Copperfield has
retired from magic and will be taking on his own talk show on PBS
nextyear. The program will be one of political commentary focused
on the growing need for western capitol (I spelled it this way on
purpose) in the Soviet Union.
Msg #12128 Dated 10:15:29 08-04-91 12113 <--> 12129
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't fall on me, I can't take the additional weight.
Msg #12129 Dated 10:15:33 08-04-91 12121 <--> 12130
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My sainted grandmother would DARN using a light bulb as the form. I
thought it was normal.
Msg #12130 Dated 10:16:25 08-04-91 12056 <--> 12131
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Responsibility is an individual thing and it depends upon who and
what your gods are.
Msg #12131 Dated 10:16:32 08-04-91 12063 <--> 12134
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't knock lawyers.
Msg #12132 Dated 10:16:37 08-04-91 12074 <--> 12149
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Cammo!
Msg #12133 Dated 10:16:42 08-04-91 12096 <--> 12339
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Thanks Jerry. I'll dig out the stuff on Monterey Domes too and send.
Msg #12134 Dated 10:34:57 08-04-91 12107 <--> 12135
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If Magic is hidden in the darkness of our times,
We must go in search of it,
Bearing the torch of our convictions.
- Stolen and mangled quote.
Msg #12135 Dated 10:36:24 08-04-91 12108 <--> 12136
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I believe that the balloonist and the magician were two separate people
and that their presentations occurred on two separate occassions.
Still, you don't look familliar as the mage.
Msg #12136 Dated 10:38:35 08-04-91 12110 <--> 12137
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yep! That's our Waldo! Any day now, I expect Hobson to learn to do a
perfect Faro with his mouth. Hopefully this will guide him into a
silent act.
Msg #12137 Dated 10:40:20 08-04-91 12111 <--> 12138
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, upload your tape. Actually, that can be done incredibly on an
Amiga, but it takes a LOT of disk space.
Msg #12138 Dated 10:42:02 08-04-91 12114 <--> 12139
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Weber makes frequent references to Gardner. I don't have the Gardner
book, but it sounds excellent.
Msg #12139 Dated 10:43:16 08-04-91 12116 <--> 12140
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Will give it a shot. Thanks for the support and encouragement. I just
always assumed they got millions of calls from would-be greeting card
writers and only delt with folks they already knew.
Msg #12140 Dated 10:44:43 08-04-91 12117 <--> 12142
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't start me on another Penn & Teller diatribe. I'm willing to give
them credit where it is due. I'm not willing to extend myself further.
Msg #12142 Dated 10:45:59 08-04-91 12120 <--> 12143
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Now that I have the creator's (small "c") permission to pronounce it as
magic'lumpen I will learn to spell it properly. Anything but
magi-clumpen.
Msg #12143 Dated 10:47:54 08-04-91 12121 <--> 12144
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
How about a "darning egg?" In all fairness, though, how many of the
men in the current younger set (18-30) would know how to use a strop?
Msg #12144 Dated 10:50:39 08-04-91 12130 <--> 12145
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
VERY well put, Tabman! Insightful. Thank you.
Msg #12145 Dated 10:51:53 08-04-91 12131 <--> 12146
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't knock lawyers? I try not to get close enuf to 'em to do that!
I was refering to the popular perception. Surveys have shown that the
public ranks them below used car salespersons AND below computer
salespersons.
Msg #12146 Dated 10:48:18 08-04-91 12039 <--> 12147
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I come here to praise Lou Tannen, not to canonize him!
I do have many fond memories of the old shop...seen through the hazy
but fondly remembered eyes of my youth.
...and now, the sad truth is that the Louis Tannen of today is a
company which I try NEVER to deal with anymore! Spina and I have
argued about some of the issues which concern me....but I felt like I
might as well have been talking to cement! He obviously never heard
what I was saying on any issue. It's really quite sad.
'W.
Msg #12147 Dated 11:00:35 08-04-91 12068 <--> 12148
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
William Powell on Arsenio?
If he were alive and doing the talk show circuit, he would kill himself
before he appeared on that mob rule TV circus!
'W.
Msg #12148 Dated 11:25:58 08-04-91 12147 <--> 12151
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Zane Grey Theater was something he did appear on, correct?
Msg #12149 Dated 11:28:19 08-04-91 12118 <--> 12150
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I've heard of Finn threading resturant tables. Someday will have to
see the results. Glad to hear that Michael Ammar was able to adjust
the lights.
I've never worked in public with thread and you've, uh, illuminated
some of the reasons. When everything is right, the results are
spectacular, but it seems very difficult to manage all of the lighting,
etc. requirements and to get everything right. The folks who do it
right have my respect as consummate magi.
Msg #12150 Dated 11:33:05 08-04-91 12132 <--> 12157
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Yeah! Only work against silver mylar backdrops and wear sequins,
right?
Msg #12151 Dated 11:36:30 08-04-91 12088 <--> 12152
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
MAGIC! is a bit different from magazines, etc. It is real time and
interactive. I think that we have, as a result, been able to have
conversations here that have yielded a far wider range of opinions,
beliefs, values, etc. The discussion we are having right now being an
example of that. Except on those few occassions when conversations
have drifted too far from magic to be maintained, there are also no
restrictions here similar to those there would be in a print medium (a
magazine might publish an article, one letter in reply and one reply by
the author and that is it, we can continue to discuss, have others join
in, etc.). In the airing of controversial topics in magic I know of
only two forums that have been as wide ranging and non-restrictive -
Inside Magic and MAGIC! And even Inside Magic has had to limit
conversation more severly.
You have made many great contributions to the dialogs here and many of
them have had an impact. Even if they haven't changed someone's
opinions, they have often caused people to have to think through their
fondly held ideas. I suspect that MAGIC! has had, at times, that same
impact on your own views.
There is a fabric of magic dialog that goes back to the earliest days
of the craft and that continues today. Those of us who care enough
about magic to think about it and to write about it add at least a
small thread to that fabric. Some folks have added whole sections,
others have worked only in the corners, but I think that MAGIC! has
already proven itself as a medium for extending that fabric.
Thank you for your brief definition of art. I'm sure that many of us
would like to read the longer definition that you could develop, should
you choose to do so.
Msg #12152 Dated 11:53:07 08-04-91 12089 <--> 12153
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I did not necessarily mean selling magic as opposed to selling
individual performers. I'm not so sure that the former would be as
"deadly" as you portray it, but I was also referring to the later.
I don't think the problem is so much with the public or the media as it
is with magic. Magic appears to have huddled itself in a corner and
gone to sleep. There have been a few times where I have had occassion
to be able to book magicians for real work in front of the public, and,
frankly, trying to arrange it has been like pulling teeth (or what I
would imagine pulling teeth is like). The magi I've contacted have
been interested, but they have seldom followed thru - and these are
supposed "pros" - they have failed to send PR kits that I could show to
clients, they have sent HORRIBLE tapes, they have never gotten around
to commiting on the date; you name it. Eventually, the client drifts
off and hires someone from some other branch of entertainment.
Msg #12153 Dated 11:59:57 08-04-91 12091 <--> 12154
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm glad to hear that there are people out there "selling" magic to the
media. May I ask what types of rejection occur?
I did not suggest in my message that ONLY David Copperfield possessed
the unique combination necessary to be successful. I suggested that it
was a rare combination, but I presumed that others could have it.
I'm still surprised that you believe that there is something such as
"an exception that tests the rule." Oh, well...
Msg #12154 Dated 12:07:08 08-04-91 12094 <--> 12155
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I will enter the correct spelling of magicalumpen in my personal
dictionary. Are you sure you wish to refer to it as a neologism?
That's a lot of negative weight for a new word to carry around and such
an appellation has also been known to reflect poorly on the creator.
"Appealing neologism" is almost (but not quite) an oxymoron.
Msg #12155 Dated 12:32:30 08-04-91 12138 <--> 12156
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The Gardner book on impromptu is a bargain at 25 dollars. The Encl
of Impromptu Magic is over 500 pages, etc. Should be avail just
about any good magic shop.
Msg #12156 Dated 12:32:36 08-04-91 12146 <--> 12158
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Last time I called Tannen's on their 800 number, they put me on hold;
since it was their dime, I stayed with it for almost a half hour
before I gave up. I was going to order several expensive books. I'm
sorry it has gotten like that. I too hold Louis Tannen Magic and old
Top Hat Topics in rever.
Msg #12157 Dated 12:32:44 08-04-91 12150 <--> 12171
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Alternating flat black stripes. Yipes!
Msg #12158 Dated 12:32:49 08-04-91 12151 <--> 12159
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
MAGIC! can also be related to all talk, listener response radio.
Msg #12159 Dated 12:32:52 08-04-91 12153 <--> 12160
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
There are good, hip, magicians working the trade show circuit who
have honed their press materials to perfection and DO work a great
deal. Granted, this isn't a dog and pony show, but mostly a smart
business. Tim Conover and Harrison Carroll are good examples of this.
Msg #12160 Dated 12:51:34 08-04-91 12123 <--> 12161
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I can agree with several names on your list -- particularly Roy Benson,
who was way ahead of his time in both magic and comedy. I saw the
oriental act he did with Connye at the Brooklyn Academy of Music:
breathtaking, one of the best magic performances I have ever seen.
Msg #12161 Dated 12:55:22 08-04-91 12151 <--> 12162
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thank you for the nice things you said -- not to nip at the hand that
has just patted me on the back, but technically this is not "real time"
-- if we had a CB-type setup, and were typing back and forth, it would
be.
Msg #12162 Dated 12:57:09 08-04-91 12152 <--> 12165
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I will have to agree with most of what you say; magic is far too
insular, to the point that I sometimes think that there's "magic" and
then there's "show business" -- and in the Venn diagram of those
circles there is a very small overlap.
Msg #12164 Dated 12:59:43 08-04-91 12097 <--> 12286
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIRTUAL REALITY
Like Jazz, it's hard to put into words -- let's just say it is a social
style heavily influenced by leading-edge computer technology in its
interface with art -- and no, I don't know what I just said either.
:)
Msg #12165 Dated 13:05:01 08-04-91 12114 <--> 12166
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tommy Wonder did seven hours of packet tricks?! But...but...he seems
like such a NICE person...!
Msg #12166 Dated 13:08:41 08-04-91 12155 <--> 12167
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks. I will definitely look for the book at one of the local magic
shops.
Msg #12167 Dated 13:09:40 08-04-91 12158 <--> 12168
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Perhaps in some senses it can. But talk radio seems to just fill
air-time. MAGIC! also retains the material that is created. That's
the contribution to the fabric - otherwise it would be just tissue
paper.
Msg #12168 Dated 13:11:17 08-04-91 12159 <--> 12169
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, and it seems to me that the folks who know how to do business do
business. Lest it go unspoken, there are folks who do NOT wish to
perform in commercial settings and that is OK too. But those who do
wish to do so should GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER.
Msg #12169 Dated 13:14:40 08-04-91 12161 <--> 12170
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Granted, I use "real time" in a loose manner. It is "real time" in the
sense that messages are posted immediately and, when one signs on, the
messages are available immediately. Since there are multiple lines,
one person can post a message and the moment it is saved it is
available to another to read.
The CB-type setup has a couple of undesirable features at our present
level of development. It would be too easy for a conversation to tie
up all the lines and there is no reasonable way to keep a meaningful
history of such a chat. Also, I like to think that the ability to
prepare a message off-line and the ability to edit prior to saving
means that some thought can be put into a message. One can weigh one's
words, one can turn to a book and look something up, etc. Chat modes
tend to be an extension of telebabble.
Msg #12170 Dated 13:21:25 08-04-91 12162 <--> 12177
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Indeed very insular. Your Venn diagram is congruent with my own. This
would not necessarily be bad, if the members of the group preferred
such isolation, but it does get in the way when they wish to interact
with the world.
Msg #12171 Dated 13:24:49 08-04-91 12157 <--> 12179
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Alternating flat black stripes - "Zebra striped" thread - is very
workable. But I don't think you are going to be able to make stripes
on metal thread. I also think someone on here mentioned the tendancy
of the material to curl and kink. I used to use .013" nichrome wire
(from a wire recorder) and when it snapped it would turn into something
resembling steel wool. If this stuff does the same, then a snap would
spell exposure.
Msg #12173 Dated 13:24:18 08-04-91 -> 12174
From: BARRY GITELSON
To: ALL
Re: HAWAII
Aloha from the Big Island of Hawaii. We have a small but strong magic
communnity here and our Big Island Magic Club meets the first tuesday
of the month. If anyone is coming over please feel free to call me at
808-328-9707....or write at po box 421 Honaunau,HI 96726. In mid
february we will be having our sixth annual Magic Spectacular which is
a
benifit for our local chapter of the American cancer society. Gotta
run....got a show to do in a couple of hours....but boy am I happy to
have found you all.
Msg #12174 Dated 13:32:48 08-04-91 12173 <--> 12180
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: HAWAII
Glad to have you with us, Barry. Do you happen to know the Au's?
Lovely people.
Msg #12177 Dated 13:55:51 08-04-91 12167 <--> 12178
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I wasn't comparing the physicalness of listerner interactive radio,
but the gist. If you don't think the tape is rolling when the big
shows broadcast their stuff, but well, of course you know it is.
Msg #12178 Dated 13:55:57 08-04-91 12168 <--> 12182
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
There is plenty of work out there for them that knows how to work,
having their act together is a given. The guys that are doing it
don't have a lot of time to talk about it.
Msg #12179 Dated 13:56:01 08-04-91 12171 <--> 12183
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Suture self.
Msg #12180 Dated 13:56:05 08-04-91 12173 <--> 12220
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: HAWAII
I'm glad to see you here too Barry. Hawaii (me and everybody else) is
a super spot. Thanks for joining us. Tell Les Au that the tabman said
hello and hope his Macaw is doing well after her trip to Baltimore.
Msg #12181 Dated 13:54:09 08-04-91 -> 12202
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
Want a fast way to end those calls asking you to perform for kids? End
your show by giving out live animals! My son was at a birthday party
for a 3-year old on Friday and one of the party favors was a goldfish.
A rush to the pet store and ten bucks later and we have a home for him.
Even though I made sure that it was a large open-top container, the
water doesn't seem to do well, so the fish is gasping a lot. Three
water changes later, I seem to have it under control - but who needs
this?
Just wait - their son will likely be at our son's party and I have a
SPECIAL party favor for him - a tarantula!
Msg #12182 Dated 14:00:00 08-04-91 12178 <--> 12187
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You are RIGHT. Not only is there work out there, but I think there is
public appreciation too. I don't market myself as a performer and I
know I get calls for paying work.
Msg #12183 Dated 14:02:22 08-04-91 12179 <--> 12188
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Hmmmm... One of the oldest tricks in the business, apparently. The
ring through cheek -- written up, along with thread work, by Scott in
1584.
Msg #12187 Dated 15:47:28 08-04-91 12182 <--> 12190
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Even though I only work nationally, my phone for tax purposes is
listed in the local yellow pages under _Entertainment_ and hardly a
day goes by that I don't get a call looking for a clown, stripper, or
belly dancer. I have as yet gotten a call for a magician, though I
could have steered the clown work to a kid magician. A call Friday
for a supermarket opening could have gotten a platform guy some work.
I have a tie in with an agent in Norfolk who said he would book magi
for convention and trade work, but I don't have anyone to send him.
Well didn't, that gives me an idea. No not me, I only work biker
gigs and wet t-shirt contests. Just called agent at home and sez it's
a real possibility so will see it I can help a couple of guys out.
Msg #12188 Dated 15:47:40 08-04-91 12183 <--> 12191
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Just ordered a 50 meter spool of .004 stainless wire from one of my
sources. Maybe I'll sell it off by the inch.
Msg #12190 Dated 16:04:31 08-04-91 12187 <--> 12193
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If you are going to help magicians get booked, unless they are the rare
ones, be ready to do all the legwork for 'em. And make sure they are
dressed, ready, and that their car starts on the day of the
performance.
On Friday someone was looking for a mage to perform at a wedding. I
told 'em I don't do that because of the danger -- if the groom doesn't
show up, they blame the mage for vanishing him. Probably shoulda'
taken the gig, but I don't do doves and I don't have rice bowls, both
of which would seem essential in that setting.
Msg #12191 Dated 16:08:05 08-04-91 12188 <--> 12192
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
.004?! That's a killer! If you were someone who shaved, you could
probably do it with that stuff.
Msg #12192 Dated 16:10:58 08-04-91 12191 <--> 12194
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
P.S. - there is some type of wire that I've seen at robot conventions
(Jerry Burton may know more about it) that is kinda thick, but that
CONTRACTS when it gets warm. It can be heated by running electricity
thru it. Seems to me that the stuff is begging for some sort of
magical application.
Msg #12193 Dated 16:43:04 08-04-91 12190 <--> 12196
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The two magi that I have in mind are self starters and already work
a bunch. They know how to get dressed, start their car, bathe, etc
already. What I will do is make the connection for them and let it
go at that. I made the mistake of hand holding a couple of music acts
and when you let go to scratch yourself they fall down. I know whatch
a mean.
Msg #12194 Dated 16:43:13 08-04-91 12191 <--> 12195
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I'll have it in a few days and will let you know if I can see it.
Msg #12195 Dated 16:43:16 08-04-91 12192 <--> 12201
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I might have a use for that stuff IF it expands to full size when it
cools back down.
Msg #12196 Dated 16:46:14 08-04-91 12152 <--> 12197
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm glad you called them "supposed" professionals. Your description
does not fit the ones I work with.
Msg #12197 Dated 16:48:08 08-04-91 12153 <--> 12198
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You may ask what types of rejection occur, but I'm afraid I choose not
to answer...
Yes, you did suggest in your message that only DC possessed the unique
combination necessary to be successful. Your words were that "he alone
seems to have..." I think your revised choice of words, to "rare,"
constitute an improvement.
Msg #12198 Dated 17:04:37 08-04-91 12089 <--> 12199
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
We live in an age where EVERYTHING is sold. And if, as you say, people
feel poorly about magic because of low competency (far from obvious, to
me), then they are being "sold" that in a certain way. And we need to
sell them of the opposite.
Msg #12199 Dated 17:10:43 08-04-91 12156 <--> 12200
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Top Hat Topics -- now there's a memory.
Msg #12200 Dated 17:12:07 08-04-91 12170 <--> 12203
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Would like to reiterate that magic is a performing art.
(Disagreements, anyone?) And that as such, it IS show business.
Msg #12201 Dated 17:14:49 08-04-91 12087 <--> 12206
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
Thanx. Was thinking it had close-up uses, but sounds like it does not.
Msg #12202 Dated 17:20:37 08-04-91 12181 <--> 12221
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
I have found that goldfish really need a little, cheap air pump
connected to what they call an "air stone," I think. Will make fish
last longer, hence Nathan happier. Bad part -- hum.
Msg #12203 Dated 17:21:58 08-04-91 12040 <--> 12204
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In the same place? Where everyone's energy is spent reperforming to a
tee the work of men dead hundreds of years? Me disagrees.
Msg #12205 Dated 17:23:17 08-04-91 12053 <--> 12207
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What was "Circle Magic?"
Msg #12206 Dated 17:23:47 08-04-91 12052 <--> 12208
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Bracco? Forgive my ignorance.
Msg #12207 Dated 17:46:46 08-04-91 12205 <--> 12209
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Circle Magic was a joke shop, magic store right in the middle of all
the 42nd and Broadway mess... forget exactly what street...
Msg #12208 Dated 17:47:32 08-04-91 12206 <--> 12216
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
I will look up exact book title, etc. and post tonite . OK?
Msg #12209 Dated 17:48:05 08-04-91 12129 <--> 12210
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yep, I knew you had 150 Watt feet!
Msg #12210 Dated 17:48:11 08-04-91 12134 <--> 12211
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My torch runneth over.
Msg #12211 Dated 17:48:20 08-04-91 12139 <--> 12212
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What makes you think I know?
Msg #12212 Dated 17:48:26 08-04-91 12142 <--> 12213
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Lumpit?
Msg #12213 Dated 17:48:31 08-04-91 12143 <--> 12214
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I guess it has all been obsoleted by Target Store Sales... it is
cheaper to buy new sox than it is to move your fingers and fixem.
Msg #12214 Dated 17:48:38 08-04-91 12146 <--> 12215
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I once wrote a NASTY article about the Spina era Tannen business
practices. He wrote me a rebuttal letter saying "Print this!"
Which I did, verbatim... and IT REALLY SHOWED HOW WRONG HE WAS and
was more powerful an indictment of him than anything I could have
written!
Msg #12215 Dated 17:48:47 08-04-91 12147 <--> 12217
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Arf arf arf arf arf arf ARGH....
Msg #12216 Dated 17:48:53 08-04-91 12149 <--> 12219
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
It isn't that difficult. Just takes a little knowledge and checking
of the spot... and knowing what effect will work when and where.
Msg #12217 Dated 17:48:59 08-04-91 12152 <--> 12218
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Why do you deal with magicians? You should deal the way others do,
through professional booking agents. Tell them what you want and
it is their problem to supply. If they are indeed legit, they will
not represent a dud that doesn't follow up.
Msg #12218 Dated 17:49:07 08-04-91 12160 <--> 12222
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Glad to know there is another that holds Benson in the highest
regard... pity the current generation cannot see all his work!
I guess you, I and probably Chas. Reynolds are his biggest fans.
Msg #12219 Dated 17:49:13 08-04-91 12171 <--> 12223
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
A gnarly hand held stiffly above a floating crumpled dollar bill
spells exposure too.... Guys, you got to work on the stuff. Tommy
Wonder has a new trick he is putting into his act. A part of he
got from me. I asked him how his rehearsal was going. He said,
lately, very good, I'm into the second year of practice with it.
.
And (I will, in respect to him, not revel th effect) BUT IT IS
NOT A SLEIGHT OF HAND EFFECT. BASICALLY ONE WITH A SINGLE PROP!
.
TWO YEARS PRACTICING AND STILL NOT IN HIS ACT. Does this give you
any ideas????
Msg #12220 Dated 17:49:27 08-04-91 12173 <--> 12681
From: PETE BIRO
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: HAWAII
Say hi to Freddy Ball (Shaka?)
Msg #12221 Dated 17:49:32 08-04-91 12181 <--> 12249
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
I didn't know you could form a balloon into a Tarantula.
Msg #12222 Dated 17:49:36 08-04-91 12190 <--> 12224
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tapioca bowls are a good alternative. Gee I coulda made a ton, as
wedding photog and mojo man...
Msg #12223 Dated 17:49:41 08-04-91 12192 <--> 12245
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
HOw did you know that was the gaff used in the passe passe bottles?
Msg #12224 Dated 17:49:44 08-04-91 12200 <--> 12225
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
As long as the magic is 'PERFORMED' and not merely demonstrated,
or operated, as in "set in motion".... argh....
Msg #12225 Dated 17:55:42 08-04-91 12057 <--> 12227
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
All right, I have to tell someone. Your little "memory trigger" is
making me share my embarrassing magical beginnings. Way back when, I
had a crush on Bill Bixby (_The Magician_, remember?) OK, it's out. I
feel much better now.
Msg #12226 Dated 17:56:51 08-04-91 -> 12853
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: THREAD BOOK
OK, here it is... a book on "Floating Routines for Table and Stage",
by Ralf Wichmann -- "BRACO"
Its about 6x9, blue, and just over 150 pages. Published in 1973, by
MAGISCHER ZIRKEL BERLIN. (Magic Circle of Berlin) -- It is dual
language (German und English)... has how to find, what kind to use, how
to light, what color, what weight thread you need to float various
weight objects, etc. etc. THE BIBLE. I would continue, but I am writing
this online... BYE
Msg #12227 Dated 18:01:35 08-04-91 12091 <--> 12229
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I thought Doug Henning used to handle it fairly well, in his time.
Where is Doug Henning these days, anyway? Sure could use him around.
Msg #12228 Dated 18:10:02 08-04-91 12126 <--> 12255
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Thanks Pete - I really don't envy your schedule!
Jon LeClair uses basically the same hook up as Kaps, except his primary
anchor is to his ear. I haven't seen all he does with it, but Jamy Ian
Swiss and Eugene Burger rave over his work!
Msg #12229 Dated 18:52:48 08-04-91 12222 <--> 12230
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually you could make buckets of money in the wedding photog racket
Msg #12230 Dated 18:52:52 08-04-91 12227 <--> 12231
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Veda Land in Florida?
Msg #12231 Dated 18:53:26 08-04-91 12199 <--> 12232
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
"Top Hat Topics" was a lifeless enterprise. Now the "Demon Telegraph,"
on the other hand...
Msg #12232 Dated 18:54:31 08-04-91 12218 <--> 12233
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Count me in that number.
Msg #12233 Dated 19:38:47 08-04-91 12193 <--> 12234
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
There's a good book for magi on how to get dressed, get the car
started, etc. Showmanship for Magicians by Dariel Fitzkee. Written in
the 40's it still covers a lot of ground and should be the perfect Bar
Mitvah gift for any aspiring junior magician. Also an excellent guide
book to the world of showbiz for any adult magician. I believe that
BURT CARPENTER, here on MAGIC!, may have a few copies available.
Msg #12234 Dated 19:42:22 08-04-91 12196 <--> 12235
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, "supposed" professionals. I know there are real working magi who
do far better than these did. But, frankly, I was a bit surprised at
some of the ones who have lacked professionalism. The list has
included some folks I've admired and who I assumed had their acts
together.
Msg #12235 Dated 19:47:39 08-04-91 12197 <--> 12236
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I can't quite understand why the causes of media rejection would be
proprietary, but it is your right to choose not to answer, so there is
nothing to fear.
I went back and read my message and I had thought that "seems to"
indicated enough equivocation to suggest "rare," but you are right, on
rereading it was not clear. I did mean to indicate "rare." Can I have
my french fries now?
Msg #12236 Dated 19:51:24 08-04-91 12200 <--> 12237
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I agree with T A on this one - only part of magic is performing art,
and, of that segment, only some can be classed as show business.
It is possible that T A and I have different reasons for this same
conclusion.
Msg #12238 Dated 19:57:47 08-04-91 12210 <--> 12239
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It's a great line ("If Magic is hidden..."), I'm glad I've stolen it.
Msg #12239 Dated 19:58:36 08-04-91 12211 <--> 12240
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You told us that you used to do 'em! (Greeting cards). I assumed you
knew the marketplace.
Msg #12240 Dated 19:59:32 08-04-91 12212 <--> 12241
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Lumpit is the dropped floor conversation room in Lum's new house. He's
kept up with the times.
Msg #12241 Dated 20:00:27 08-04-91 12213 <--> 12242
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, both sox and razors are now totally disposable. I understand that
in Japan VCRs, Compact Disc players and the like are considered
disposables. Only the disposition of BATTERIES is restricted. My
friends say that on trash day, the curbs are full of "old" equipment,
but it is against the law to throw batteries in the trash.
Msg #12242 Dated 20:03:20 08-04-91 12217 <--> 12243
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I was doing some favors for friends in attempting to supply magi. I
thought I knew responsible guys.
Msg #12243 Dated 20:04:21 08-04-91 12222 <--> 12244
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, I'm told that rice is no longer in vogue at weddings. Something
to do with choking birds that gobble it up. The problem with being a
wedding photog and mojo man is that they will want pictures of your
performance. It is not considered seemly to hand the bride or the
groom the camera to take the pics while you do the magic.
Msg #12244 Dated 20:07:00 08-04-91 12225 <--> 12251
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Bixby was impressive - but you are showing your age! Actually, not
badly -- you see, I was too old for Bixby to be my influence!
Msg #12245 Dated 20:08:59 08-04-91 12194 <--> 12246
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
OK, let me know how the .004 works out. I'm still trying to figure out
how to tie knots in the conventional stuff! I can't get the prop to
hang on!
Msg #12246 Dated 20:09:45 08-04-91 12195 <--> 12247
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Seems to me that it DOES expand and contract. And it will lift/move
light objects, but it isn't quite "invisible." Check with Burton - he
may know more about it as I've seen it at robot shows.
Msg #12247 Dated 20:11:21 08-04-91 12216 <--> 12248
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
OK, thanks. Someday I'll give thread a try. Right now you've got me
folding green frogs. Which has led me to research traditional origami
frogs too. Turns out the traditional ones are much more complex to
fold and can't be done with cards.
Msg #12248 Dated 20:12:54 08-04-91 12219 <--> 12258
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Yeah, two years of work tells me that Tommy is younger and less prone
to panic than I am! Michael Ammar seems to go about stuff in the same
careful way. Ach, you gets older you starts to worry about dyin'
before you can master the effect, so you go for the simple stuff.
Msg #12249 Dated 20:16:38 08-04-91 12202 <--> 12250
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
There is no airpump in the budget for this project. Would you like
this fish? REALLY. If nothing else, your name is indicative of your
knowledge of what alternatives there are for it. It is very possible
that on Monday, while Nathan is at school, the fist will become lonely
and decided to go back to his friends. Sounds plausible, no?
Msg #12250 Dated 20:18:32 08-04-91 12221 <--> 12564
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
Actually, you use four balloons to make a tarantula. But I was
thinking of the real thing. I'm told they make splendid house pets and
I'm sure the kid's parents will love it.
Msg #12251 Dated 21:15:44 08-04-91 12148 <--> 12252
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'm MUCH too young to remember.
(ack!)
'W.
Msg #12252 Dated 21:27:21 08-04-91 12214 <--> 12253
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'd love to have a copy of both, Pete.
'W.
Msg #12253 Dated 22:03:28 08-04-91 12225 <--> 12254
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What did an actor have to do with magic?
Msg #12254 Dated 22:03:33 08-04-91 12227 <--> 12256
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Am sure others might know more, but last "I" heard is that Douglas
was working with the Maharishi to build a theme park of enlighten-
ment (etc) in Florida....
Msg #12255 Dated 22:03:39 08-04-91 12228 <--> 12284
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: TRIX
The BRACO layout for the floating cork goes from the ear to a loop
on a finger. In the middle of the routine the head is turned and
the thread is manipulated by the tongue. The hookup ONTO the cork
is not as good as Fred's, nor is the sequencing, style, etc.
Msg #12256 Dated 22:03:47 08-04-91 12229 <--> 12257
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah? Hah... I used to have to take photos making the DRUNK teanage
grooms look half way decent... arrghhhh...
Msg #12257 Dated 22:03:52 08-04-91 12239 <--> 12261
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I didn't know nuttin... I worked for the manufacturer of tasteless
gags, like a box with "Here is your Xmas Goose" lettered on the
outside, when opened you are greeted with a middle digit!!!!
.
Funny, wish I had kept one each of the terrible stuff we used to
sell to the dummy customers. Almost all Xmas Party gifts for the
office!!! Ha
Msg #12258 Dated 22:04:02 08-04-91 12245 <--> 12259
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I can see you don't know the way to tie a knot on the end of thread
by twisting it round the end of your finger and rolling it off the
end.... You also should most often stick a dab of mojo wax onto
the end of the thread.
.
Are you stripping stockings? Try Schiapparelli. What are you
attempting to hook on to? BE SPECIFIC and your ole pal here that
KNOWS EVERYTHING THAT IS WORTH KNOWING WILL HELP... EH, KEEP THE
MESSAGES PRIVATE SO THE TRICK WILL BE A SURPRISE WHEN YOU DO YOUR
COMMAND PERFORMANCE OF MAGIC BY MAGIC!
Msg #12259 Dated 22:04:14 08-04-91 12247 <--> 12260
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
You see, Mike Close is a WORKER... not a theorist...
Msg #12260 Dated 22:04:19 08-04-91 12248 <--> 12265
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Well, you have to remember these guys are PROFESSIONAL Mojo Men, it
is their way to make a living. I see where MC Hammer runs and
dances almost 8 hours a day. My old accompanist used to practice
on the keyboard 8 hours a day... --- argh... it is 9:40 and I have
not done my practice session yet today... got to go to the rehearsal
hall here at the Grand Hotel Kroznapalski II... bye
Msg #12261 Dated 22:04:27 08-04-91 12252 <--> 12263
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Your message brevity and my short memory makes me wonder what you
would like copies of.... hmmmm.... do you mean the Tannen/Spina
correspondence? I don't got 'em no mo... but they were published
in "Pete's Leaflet" part of Lloyd Jones' "The Club" mailing and
magazine, which pre-dated "The Reel Works" in "Genii" (sorry about
the " marks, but how else?). Mebbe TA knows if the Leaflet's are
in the Castle Library....
The crux of Spina's reply to my saying something like "Ken Brooke
buys the rights to a trick from the inventor and pays good money,
so when another dealer rips it off it tears Ken up...." Spina wrote
back something like -- When a customer calls and wants to buy a
trick Ken Brooke sells and I don't have it, I have to make them up
to sell to my customer!
.
ARgh... He went on digging his own grave... I also sed something
like "If a dealer or inventor have a policy, such as Ken's where
he will not sell a trick to more than one person in a certain
geographic locale SO THAT PERSON WILL BE THE ONLY ONE DOING THE
TRICK, that is Ken's decision" and one I agree with and one other
dealers should respect.
.
I don't know why (hah) someone like Spina wouldn't tell that
customer "we don't handle it, Call Ken Brooke!" Quadruple ARGH
Msg #12263 Dated 22:08:20 08-04-91 12251 <--> 12264
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, we are both too young to remember -- we'll have to ask Pete.
Msg #12264 Dated 22:11:49 08-04-91 12257 <--> 12269
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Argh! (tm-Biro), Yetch! P-Tooie! But I guess there are worse jobs. As
I recall, Canary Conn's first job was shrink-wrapping synthetic... er,
Goshman called 'em "Ding Dongs," but I think that was a violation of
a Hostess trademark.
Msg #12265 Dated 22:17:23 08-04-91 12258 <--> 12266
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Thanks for the knot tying/mojo wax suggestion. I've been trying to tie
the thread onto the object - sounds like a much better idea to slipknot
the thread, per your suggestion, and then loop in over the thing.
I think Shiapparelli is long gone as a brand. And I think the original
suggestion only applied to their silk work - also extinct. I think
that any commonly available brand today - especially ultra sheer -
would work. Probably black.
Yep, I'll keep the lid on the work until I show it.
Msg #12266 Dated 22:20:54 08-04-91 12247 <--> 12267
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
No question that Mike is a worker. Also a good writer. Workers #1 and
Workers #2 are gems.
Msg #12267 Dated 22:23:02 08-04-91 12260 <--> 12270
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I would agree that both Tommy Wonder and Michael Ammar are consummate
professionals. As are several other members of MAGIC! It is that
dedication to work that makes them great.
Msg #12269 Dated 22:38:57 08-04-91 12256 <--> 12280
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Wedding photog have to be rough. Like wedding band gig. Good money
though if you can dig. I had to quit as it was catching.
Msg #12270 Dated 22:39:02 08-04-91 12260 <--> 12282
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Rule of thumb is three hours practice daily just to stay even. More
and you get ahead. Mr. Pickles of the COWLING INSTITUTE OF FINGER
DEXTERITY used o publih a series of finger excercizes (isometric)
which condensed two hours of scalular exercises into two ten minute
a day sessions. I enrolled in the course and it did wonders for my
fingers. Pickles is probably gone now, but who knows. -s- Some more
serious guys from England probably know of what I speak. I can teach
if cornered.
Msg #12280 Dated 23:38:22 08-04-91 12235 <--> 12281
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
My inclination to refrain from discussing the subject is not based on
fear. It's simply that to do so would necessitate discussing the
specifics of the projects themselves, and such endeavors I generally do
not make public.
Msg #12281 Dated 23:43:05 08-04-91 12241 <--> 12283
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Your friends overstate the case. The Japanese are indeed more likely to
get rid of a piece of technological merchandise sooner than Americans,
but they hardly consider VCRs and such to be disposable.
As for batteries, it is not against the law to throw them out. In fact,
there are posters in the subway stations reminding people to put used
AA batteries in the trash rather than simply dropping them, as they can
cause subsequent people to slip and fall. (The reason these ads are
targetted to subway passengers is that so many of them are listening to
battery-powered Walkman-style tape players.)
Msg #12282 Dated 23:54:20 08-04-91 12090 <--> 12285
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
I must confess that drinking beer can be a help in making magic more
believeble. However, half a can is hardly enough to make a thread
invisible, unless I suppose one is not trained in beer drinking. After
all, everything takes some training!
Msg #12283 Dated 23:58:10 08-04-91 12280 <--> 12288
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Ah. In Msg. # 12197 you wrote "I'm afraid I choose not to answer." I
guess I took you literally. I was certainly not attempting to pry; I
had just assumed that there were some generic reasons for media
rejection that might be shared without compromising any projects.
Msg #12284 Dated 0:02:40 08-05-91 12105 <--> 12306
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: TRIX
No, I'm quite serious about figuring out a way to levitate Boa Ding
balls. I would appreciate any direction any one could give.
.
Saw James Lewis at the Castle last night. He does an incredible bill
switch. I had the angle off of stage left, and could swear he wasn't
using a tip. Only thing I can figure is that he was using one of the
French hand painted models, if so they are awesome ! I know he just
got back from FISM so maybe he picked one up.
.
Will be mailing the AI expert articles tomorrow - enjoy.
Msg #12285 Dated 0:02:51 08-05-91 12125 <--> 12287
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I had some of the Finn Jon loops, got them from Joe Stevens. Biggest
problems I had was they kept getting caught on the rings I wear and
breaking. I gave up the loops rather than the rings.
.
One idea I have been working on is switching in a silver Christmas
tree ornament, which is much lighter than the steel Bao Ding ball. I
have some that are exactly the same size as the Bao Ding balls and
they are quite undetectable, they are glass and very light. The steel
wire would be ideal, the ornament is still just a bit heavy for
thread I have tried so far.
Msg #12286 Dated 0:03:03 08-05-91 12164 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIRTUAL REALITY
Sunday times had a review on a couple of books relating to this
subject one was Virtual Reality the other was Cyberpunks, neither
sounded worth while unless you got them from the library.
Msg #12287 Dated 0:03:08 08-05-91 12192 <--> 12290
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
The wire you refer to is called Flexinol (tm) made by Dynalloy down
here in Irvine.
.
Their brochure states "Flexinol Actuator Wires are small diameter wir
es which contract like muscles when electrically driven. Smaller than
motors or selonoids, cheaper and generally easier to use these wires
perform physical movement across an extremely wide variety of
applications".
.
And yes, they are begging to be used in magic as I am currently doing
a project that will use them. Funny you should have mentioned them,
are you psychic too !
Msg #12288 Dated 0:03:21 08-05-91 12089 <--> 12289
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't know who you have been watching lately, but I for one have
seen some really good magic lately. The people watching it have
seemed to enjoy it as well - you should quit hanging out where they
do bad magic.
.
I thought the Castle show last night was outstanding, T.C. Tahoe and
Daryl in close-up, Ziggy the Good Gypsy and James Lewis in the
Parlour, and Steve Spill, Tony Clark, and Loren Michaels in the
Palace. I took a friend who wasn't much into magic and he thought it
was great !
Msg #12289 Dated 0:03:36 08-05-91 12243 <--> 12292
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
At my daughter's wedding they handed out sunflower seeds instead of
rice. Seems to have lost something in the transition to being ecologi
cally correct.
Msg #12290 Dated 0:03:40 08-05-91 12188 <--> 12291
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Flexinol goes down to .001 diameter and has a lifting capacity of
7 gms. Will change its length by 3% when a current is applied, new
stuff is very low current, can run off of watch batteries.
Msg #12291 Dated 0:00:30 08-05-91 12201 <--> 12293
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
Well, made me there are close up uses, but the thread needs some cover.
It can be used may be under cover of glass. Dick Koornwinder and I did
squirmle with a rather thick nylon thread. We did this in bright
sunlight. We could do it everywhere, but the thread was always covered,
either by our hands or by the wine glasses we used. Good handling can
also make a thread more invisible. Anyhow, I feel you should have a
look into it before dismissing it. Also, may be there are thinner
versions around, I do not know. The thread I have is 0,1 mm thick.
Msg #12292 Dated 0:01:20 08-05-91 12281 <--> 12295
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Perhaps my friends have overstated the case. Of course, that is a well
established position in economically privileged nations. There was a
time when people believed that the streets in the U.S. were paved with
gold.
By the way, I've tried to plant that myth with my Japanese friends, but
they don't buy it. Have you found anything left that we can brag about
or is it best to just politely listen to the legend and say, "Sodesu
ka?"
Msg #12293 Dated 0:15:59 08-05-91 12287 <--> 12294
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Thanks for the info. on the Flexinol(tm) wires. The description is
exactly the one I had in mind.
Am I psychic? Heck, I can't remember!
Msg #12294 Dated 0:18:02 08-05-91 12291 <--> 12297
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
Tommy -
Any chance you would be willing to demo your Squirmle technique when we
meet? I'm very interested and have heard that you and Dick have the
best Squirmle routines in the World. I have one that I could bring if
necessary.
Msg #12295 Dated 0:21:08 08-05-91 12289 <--> 12296
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes. Even stranger is the rice tied up in netting and you aren't
supposed to open it but to act in an ecological manner and toss the
whole bag! Your daughter's choice of sunflower seeds was better than
that!
Msg #12296 Dated 0:30:23 08-05-91 12203 <--> 12300
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, but that's by YOUR definition of classical -- by mine, it is very
active and artistically rewarding to the contemporaryclasical
artists. If you define classical as the stuff dead people did a long
time ago, then we are far apart in our views, which was why I did ask
you to define it -- seemed clear we are not using the word the same
way.
Msg #12297 Dated 0:32:34 08-05-91 12183 <--> 12298
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Even earlier than Scot -- it's in Prevost.
Msg #12298 Dated 0:35:38 08-05-91 12270 <--> 12299
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
There's the story of the classical pianist who said "If I don't
practice one day, I notice. If I don't practice two days, the audience
notices."
Msg #12299 Dated 0:36:47 08-05-91 12282 <--> 12302
From: T A WATERS
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
But, see, I was trying to apply logic to the situation; the only reason
I figured there would still be half a can is that you were too filled
up already to drink it...
Msg #12300 Dated 0:46:57 08-05-91 12288 <--> 12301
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In my post I used the phrase "general level of competency" -- which is
not to say there aren't some very good magicians -- and some very bad
ones, too.
Msg #12301 Dated 0:48:45 08-05-91 12207 <--> 12304
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Circle Magic was on the west side of Eighth Avenue, between 46th and
47th, about three blocks from my first apartment in New York; I spent
a fair amount of time there in the...well, a while ago.
Msg #12302 Dated 1:32:24 08-05-91 12297 <--> 12310
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Sorry about that - I don't have a copy of Prevost. At least I got the
year right.
Msg #12304 Dated 3:40:56 08-05-91 12283 <--> 12305
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The phrasing was meant to be polite.
Msg #12305 Dated 3:41:35 08-05-91 12292 <--> 12308
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Not that I want to start another go-round, but the proper division of
words in the phrase is "so desuka" ...
I'm not at all sure there's that much to brag about, but if you want to
irritate your Japanese friends you can remind them that in the United
States gasoline costs about 1/4 its Japanese price, and movies are 50%
of theirir cost. If they start to respond with comments about their
relatively inexpensive telephone system, you can quickly shift over to
other topics. If your friends are male they will flinch when you remind
them that American bars stay open until 2:00 AM or later, then deliver
a killing blow by bringing up the over-the-counter availability of hard
core pornography.
And, if all else fails, remind them that we had yakyu (baseball) before
they did.
Msg #12306 Dated 5:56:53 08-05-91 12255 <--> 12307
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Ahhhh.... BRACO! Jon attaches to the middle finger, but not by loop.
This way, he can move that external anchor from his finger to other
objects. When not in use, he disconnects from his finger and it just
hangs there. With the versatility provided by this, he is literally
ready at all times. Jamy tells me Jon does table hopping, and actually
performs the Helicopter card, the Floating Bill, and the Haunted Deck
moving from table to table and using the same thread hooked up all
evening. It really sounds like a great thing!
Msg #12307 Dated 6:02:35 08-05-91 12284 <--> 12314
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
One of my prizes is a hand painted thumbtip which actually has Finn
Jon's thumb print pressed into it! I wonder if I could commit a crime
while wearing it?
Maybe Jim was just using skill? That goes a lot further than a good
tip!
As for floating a Boa Ding ball, they are just so heavy I worry about
the thread you would have to use to make it happen. If is done Close
Up, you probably won't want to have to manipulate the lighting to cover
the threads, as that may seem obvious. Maybe a Zombie type gimmick
attached to your thumb, while you use the rest of your hand as the
'cloth' covering.
Have you tried one of the thumb extensions with the suction cups on the
end? Limited range of movement, maybe, but at least full lighting.
Msg #12308 Dated 9:48:23 08-05-91 12263 <--> 12312
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Pete Powers?
Msg #12310 Dated 9:48:40 08-05-91 12270 <--> 12313
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Finger work -- if cornered? Glad we kept you in the middle of the
room!
Msg #12312 Dated 9:48:50 08-05-91 12281 <--> 12318
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Max und David... I think the "disposable" reference was much what I
find... it is ALMOST cheaper to replace than to repair... and the
newer one will be more advanced... hence many people just throw
the stuff away when it goes bad... (not knowing most of the time it
might just be a fuse!) I did that once with a video decoder and a
guy said, "Don't throw it out, give it to me...." he fixed it for
about 50 cents... and was a nice enuf guy to give it back!
.
I think the Batteries you can't dispose of are the auto type, with
LEAD ACID... I know the dump in Mendo County has gigantic sign at
the entrance NO BATTERIES, etc. etc.
Msg #12313 Dated 9:49:03 08-05-91 12282 <--> 12315
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
Here's a concept for an INTIMATE close up idea. You have an object
you wish to do a trick with. It is in a solid looking container.
You tell the audience it is dangerous and can cause terrible harm
to their eyes. So you put special DARK RED, OR GREEN glasses on
each spectator. The item comes out and is something you wish to
float (it might be a little heavy) but the thread can be seen by
those with good eyesight... but wearing the silly dark glasses makes
it so they cannot see the thread!
.
Just a concept thought. Not good for audience of 300, but 3 or 4 !!!
Msg #12314 Dated 9:49:17 08-05-91 12284 <--> 12321
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Is there any way to make DUPE Boa Ding balls? You know, hollow,
lighter material? See my message re: dark glasses for spectators
to make it hard to see the thread!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #12315 Dated 9:49:23 08-05-91 12290 <--> 12317
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
How do I get about 4 feet of Flexinol?
Msg #12317 Dated 9:49:38 08-05-91 12297 <--> 12323
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Tom.... my knowledge does not include Prevost. Can you give me
a quick bit of info? Name of book. Date published. Full name of
author. I assume this has to do with ring thru cheek? Also, while
I have your attention... what is the earliest reference you know
of to the Linking Rings, and possible source of invention.
I forgot to use "?" but that is my choice.... later....
Msg #12318 Dated 9:49:47 08-05-91 12301 <--> 12320
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yah, T A, I forgot you used to live in NYC... Last time I went back
there my friends said "You won't want to stay at the same hotel
you used to hang out at... the Prince George, just up from the
office I used, at the greatest address possible "One Park Ave."
Msg #12320 Dated 9:50:00 08-05-91 12305 <--> 12325
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, it if offends you forget I posted the following... but I just
heard it and 'I LIKE THE JOKE'
.
Do you know how to get even with the Japanese for bombing Pearl
Harbor?
.
We bomb Pearl Harbor!
Msg #12321 Dated 9:50:09 08-05-91 12306 <--> 12322
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: TRIX
Proving to those that don't believe it... you can use fine thread
without breaking it. You just have to know what you are doing. And
have it break a few dozen times... hahah... I once left a Kaps
cork hanging (by the wax) behind a doorway in someone's closet.
That is the best way to store the thing, hanging up! Anyway, I
forget to retrieve it. TWO YEARS LATER.... I was back in same
place, went to look... AND IT WAS STILL THERE!
Msg #12322 Dated 9:50:19 08-05-91 12307 <--> 12400
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: TRIX
Somewhere I have a thumb gaff with a short rod holding a magnet.
I probably won't lift a ball, but it was used to slide a magnetic
attracted shimmed coin out from under a cloth to cause a very
mysterious vanish. Actually it didn't go on the thumb, but onto
your middle finger...
.
Do you know that Okito used to use a stooge in the audience that
had a FINGER TIP ON, with a piece of silk in it... and would have
the spectator reach into his hand to see if the silk was still
there... spec would pull out a corner of the silk. Okito then
would say "NOW TUCK IT BACK IN" --- heh heh heh heh....love it.
Msg #12323 Dated 10:04:57 08-05-91 12310 <--> 12324
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
That reminds me of an old farmer's joke about why the farmer died in
his silo, but I can't answer it here.
Msg #12324 Dated 10:05:01 08-05-91 12313 <--> 12352
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
You could get some of those cheap 3D viewing glasses and do some jive
re: 3D.
Msg #12325 Dated 10:12:45 08-05-91 12261 <--> 12326
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'll ask T A whether the library has it or not. I'd love to read that
interchange.
According to the attitude and philosophy you attribute to Spina, what
would prevent him from xeroxing entire books and selling them? It's a
fuzzy line between an agressive marketing approach and blatant theft.
I've actually never had any difficulty discerning the line, but it
seems to be conveniently fuzzy for him.
'W.
Msg #12326 Dated 10:20:42 08-05-91 12244 <--> 12327
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah, but admit it - I'll bet you wanted the white Corvette & the
custom 727 too!
Msg #12327 Dated 10:21:48 08-05-91 12230 <--> 12328
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Boy, shows how out of touch I've been! I thought he was still in India!
Msg #12328 Dated 10:23:07 08-05-91 12254 <--> 12330
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Mr. Toad's Wild Mantra kinda stuff?
Msg #12329 Dated 10:27:01 08-05-91 -> 12359
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: ABBOTT'S
So....where are all the reports from Colon????!!!!
'W.
Msg #12330 Dated 10:26:15 08-05-91 12253 <--> 12332
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
He was a magical P.I. Schooled by the venerable Mark Wilson Courses as
well as Mark himself. Anyway, _The Magician_ was a show about this
magical P.I. who's office was in the Magic Castle. Lightweight show,
but some great magic, and, what can I say? He was cute, I was sold!
Msg #12332 Dated 11:00:42 08-05-91 12305 <--> 12333
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The phrase as I keyed it, but with a straight horizontal line over the
O and a 45d up pointing arrow coming from the lower left at the end of
"ka," came from Hideichi Ono's Everyday Expressions in Japanese (Tokyo:
Hokuseido Press, 1963). These conversations with you, the 1994 FISM,
and the imminent arrival of one of my Japanese acquaintances have
gotten me interested in trying to learn enough to be polite when I
would likely be far better off if I spent time on magic. Ono
consistently splits similar terms, "Sodesu ne" being another example.
Thank you for the bragging bits. I will likely use a few of them. I
understand that until fairly recently Japanese television also had a
habit of staying on schedule at all costs. If a baseball game was
scheduled to end at 3, it didn't matter if it was the ninth inning with
the score tied and the bases loaded, coverage ceased. I'm told that
this has changed.
Msg #12333 Dated 11:18:21 08-05-91 12308 <--> 12334
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No, Pete Biro. His memory is better than ours.
Msg #12334 Dated 11:20:06 08-05-91 12312 <--> 12335
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
On the other hand, the replacement of a fifty-cent fuse by a "qualified
professional" usually costs about $125 in the U.S. I have no idea what
it costs in Japan. And fancy VCR's are extremely complex inside. I
will perform all sorts of repairs and installations on computers, but
I have learned not to mess, at more than a superficial level, with the
innards of a sophisticated VCR.
In the case of the batteries I was referring to some articles I had
read, by Americans, on presumed practices in Japan, along with some
conversations I had had. In truth, there are several types of
batteries that should not be casually disposed of due to the presence
of heavy metals - Lead Acid and NiCad are two examples.
Msg #12335 Dated 11:28:22 08-05-91 12326 <--> 12337
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah, I did. But were you interested in the Corvette and the 727? Or
Bixby?
Msg #12337 Dated 11:34:51 08-05-91 -> 12340
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
He would certainly be the logically one to have done so.
Msg #12338 Dated 11:35:41 08-05-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORETTI
How could I ever forget that show? Do you recall that I got a sympathy
card afterwards?
Msg #12339 Dated 11:36:39 08-05-91 -> 12342
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
What masses are you gonna to have in this utopia that would have a
collective mind? Legitimate illusions are really what magic is all
about, ne pas?
Msg #12340 Dated 11:36:56 08-05-91 -> 12346
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You are 100% correct on this one! There was a local BBS in this area
with a magic conference that might have had a grand total of four
people on it in six months. There is a MAGICK conference that is
networked, but those folks really believe in it and don't want to
talk to us types much. Finally, P&T have a board. MAGIC! is the
one that made it!
Msg #12341 Dated 11:37:20 08-05-91 -> 12372
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Got back late last night. Got FAX. Great! Will look for pickup in
appointed place. Hope you wear the pink hat so I will know you...
Msg #12342 Dated 11:37:25 08-05-91 -> 12343
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Aha! yet another guise for the Monarch. ...and what did Flash do
when?
Msg #12343 Dated 11:37:32 08-05-91 -> 12344
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Damn...and I thought you just liked pink!
Msg #12344 Dated 11:37:39 08-05-91 -> 12348
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Naw...its jest like being a magician...you got to have an audience.
Msg #12345 Dated 11:37:45 08-05-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH AT UCLA
Maybe instead of giving the judges whistles, we could give them
cattle prods.
Msg #12346 Dated 11:37:50 08-05-91 -> 12354
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I can't believe your mind is this far gone! The book was a text on
Italian Economics. Hardly light reading for a comtemporary comedian.
You will also recall he pumped me about Mayor Barry and the reaction
of the citizens of D.C. to his antics. Point being that Leno is NO
shallow guy, but rather is VERY well read and well rounded...and has
not stopped being a human being.
Msg #12347 Dated 11:38:12 08-05-91 -> 12351
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
Are those the meat and potatoes filled things the Sysops and others
have been talking about?
Msg #12348 Dated 11:38:17 08-05-91 -> 12364
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I have a feeling I am about to see another ew one this week!
Msg #12350 Dated 11:38:29 08-05-91 -> 12366
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTESTS
I suspect that you have found as I have that such gutsy moves be-
come quite difficult as one grows older and gains more responsibility
such as family.
Msg #12351 Dated 11:38:34 08-05-91 -> 12365
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
Well...you know what they were recently putting on bumper stickers
and buttons... S_ _ _ Happens!
Msg #12354 Dated 11:38:46 08-05-91 -> 12356
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I very much appreciate what you say, however, I am a visitor to your
property each time I call and you are most kindly allowing me to
spend time on your expensive computer and software. I may be a guest
that has been given permission to visit, but any BBS users should
take care to not abuse their guest privileges. Besides I don't smoke
or drink.
Msg #12355 Dated 11:39:20 08-05-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DARYL
May your kindness and intelligence never be obliterated.
Msg #12356 Dated 11:39:25 08-05-91 -> 12362
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
...and just what, pray tell, is an IBM or SAM "wig"???
Msg #12359 Dated 11:43:05 08-05-91 12329 <--> 12387
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTT'S
You are a couple of days early, Wayne. Abbott's con officialy starts
on August 7th.
Msg #12362 Dated 12:02:28 08-05-91 12354 <--> 12363
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thank you for your thoughtfulness. I really do feel, however, that
MAGIC! has to reflect the desires of it's members in as much as they
can be accommodated (they sometimes conflict). Although as an
individual I do take an active role in the conversations around here,
I feel that as host (sysop) it is my job to try to keep things running
smoothly rather than to be a dominant voice. Since you don't smoke or
drink, I will look into trying to put out some munchies, but, as you
well know, with a crowd of several hundred magicians, that could be
quite expensive!
Msg #12363 Dated 12:09:14 08-05-91 12356 <--> 12369
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
An IBM or SAM "wig" is a highly placed official in such an
organization. One who could decide that research on audience
perception of magic is important and could authorize an expenditure for
such a study. It is a short form for bigwig - "an important person" -
and should not be confused with Whig.
Msg #12364 Dated 12:14:20 08-05-91 12348 <--> 12370
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
The Tabman is complex. There isn't enough room for all of his stirling
attributes under one mere moniker. He is a Renaissance man; almost a
metaperson.
Msg #12365 Dated 12:18:55 08-05-91 12351 <--> 12786
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
Yep! In nursery school they have a T-shirt that reads, "Doo Doo
Happens." I'm begining to get my computers back together - the 386 is
now mostly up and running with most of the I/O functions that I want
coexisting. No mean feat when they all start out wanting address 340
and IRQ 5. Still trying to get the software act together, but at least
I can now work on MAGIC! via network and not just on-line.
Msg #12366 Dated 12:22:09 08-05-91 12350 <--> 12787
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
What becomes more difficult, it seems, is the execution of the gutsy
moves - not only are the risks higher, but it becomes harder to
understand what one is doing! I've been very lucky in a lot of my
moves. Lately things have sometimes gone awry, but I have an
understanding wife.
Msg #12369 Dated 13:24:31 08-05-91 12335 <--> 12371
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I liked his office and staff.
Msg #12370 Dated 13:24:37 08-05-91 12339 <--> 12373
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I really like the quote from Rich Bloch:
"It is a peaceful and honest craft,
Of artisans and dreamers, practitioners and
collectors, know well the profound distinction
between deception and illusion.
Deception is a base act perpetrated upon
another less knowing; illusion is a shared
experience that grows from, and it nurtered
by, the willing suspension of belief.
Deception begets anger, illusion promotes
pleasure and, however fleetingly, peace.
Hurrah for the conjuror."
Rich Bloch 1987
From The Collector's Workshop Catalog.
Msg #12371 Dated 13:24:50 08-05-91 12340 <--> 12375
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I really believe that MAGIC! made it because it's an open forum and
the software is easy to interface with. Besides that, there are a lot
of good people on here - from the start - with no private adgenda.
Msg #12372 Dated 13:24:57 08-05-91 12341 <--> 12790
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Will wear new gray cap with frog green flag on it or maybe my beenie
with the plastic prop on top.
Msg #12373 Dated 13:25:01 08-05-91 12343 <--> 12374
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I have no problems with pink especially after the studies done in
rubber rooms and holding cells.
Msg #12374 Dated 13:25:06 08-05-91 12364 <--> 12378
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
What is a metaperson? A robot without the L?
Msg #12375 Dated 13:55:39 08-05-91 12145 <--> 12376
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Sounds like a lot people more than I thought have their
priorities straight! There are VERY few (about 2 or 3) lawyers
I've met that I consider to be ethical people.
Msg #12376 Dated 13:55:49 08-05-91 12114 <--> 12377
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Was it really only 7 hours? It seemed like SO much LONGER!!!
Msg #12377 Dated 14:46:29 08-05-91 12369 <--> 12381
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Are any of the "The Magician" programs out on video media? I don't
think it was a very long running series.
Msg #12378 Dated 14:51:18 08-05-91 12374 <--> 12384
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Meta- is a complex prefix. In general, it means "later or more highly
organized or specialized form of" and "more comprehensive;
transcending." It is used to refer to the superset of something; for
example, metalanguage would refer to "a lanugage used to talk about
another language," and metamorphose, "to change strikingly the
appearance or character of." Don't worry, it's flattering. Just keep
doin' what you're doin' and it will apply.
Msg #12379 Dated 14:58:34 08-05-91 -> 12382
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: LAWYERS
We certainly don't want to re-start a barrage of lawyer jokes, and,
indeed there are some ethical ones (although it is hard to imagine how
they remain in practice in the face of their peers). One interesting
aspect is that the mental set of lawyers has also encouraged some to
become involved in magic. On the other hand, it would seem to me that
the concept of magic is antithetical to law just as it is to the spawn
of magic - science.
Msg #12381 Dated 15:28:10 08-05-91 12332 <--> 12383
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It would appear that Ono (or his editor) has a sloppy approach to word
division; I suggest you treat his book with caution. (Actually, the
title sounds familiar, and I think I own in; perhaps I'll go through
the stacks and take a look.)
"So" and "desu" are individual words. "Ne" and "ka" are
postpositionals. Thus, you could properly write "so desu ka" or
"so desuka" or "so desu-ka" -- but merging in the way he does is not
good.
Msg #12382 Dated 15:32:35 08-05-91 12379 <--> 12405
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
It's equally interesting to note that the mental set of magic has
encouraged some magicians to become lawyers.
Msg #12383 Dated 15:47:03 08-05-91 12377 <--> 12386
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't think they're on video, but we can find out for sure. I do
have the first 6 - 7 _Black's Magic_ on tape for what it's worth.
Msg #12384 Dated 15:47:08 08-05-91 12378 <--> 12399
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
With BP in the studio the past coupa daze auditioning skin men I
felt more like _metalman_.
Msg #12385 Dated 16:14:13 08-05-91 12324 <--> 12391
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
OH< I LUV IT... 3 DEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Msg #12386 Dated 16:14:16 08-05-91 12325 <--> 12388
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Fuzzzeeeeeeeeeeeeee to say da least.... argh (TM)
Msg #12387 Dated 16:14:20 08-05-91 12329 <--> 12539
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTT'S
Abbott's is next weeeeeeeeeek. (At least that's what my airline
ticket say!)
Msg #12388 Dated 16:14:26 08-05-91 12330 <--> 12390
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I know, I know... i wuz jus' kiddin...
Msg #12390 Dated 16:14:38 08-05-91 12346 <--> 12393
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You hit it, re Leno... one of the all time greats in MY BOOK.
Msg #12393 Dated 16:14:49 08-05-91 12356 <--> 12401
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
BOY YOU BIN AWAY... WIG IS A POLITICAL PARTY.... HAH
Msg #12398 Dated 16:15:19 08-05-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LANGUAGE
Ee;12381
Sounds like a bunch of KA KA to me....
Msg #12399 Dated 16:15:24 08-05-91 12384 <--> 12406
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Heavy? (Are you sure the proles know what skin men are? Next will
be a bass soloist, right.... har....)
Msg #12400 Dated 16:13:56 08-05-91 12284 <--> 12409
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
I saw James Lewis Saturday night and I was in the front row, stage
right. Not an especially good view if you WANT to be fooled. He uses
a regular plastic thumbtip. Palmed coins were also in view. When I
saw him several months ago in the closeup room his coins through the
glass top table was the closest thing to real magic I've seen in
awhile. I think that it would be a good idea for performers who work
the castle to run through their routine (for practice) with observers
at each of the extreme angles that the audience will view from.
The same evening in the closeup room Daryl got caught doing the coin
matrix by one of the helpers he had seated at the table. Even some of
the best in the world have to pay attention to angles!
Msg #12401 Dated 16:28:19 08-05-91 12288 <--> 12403
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Last weeks Castle performers were one of the better lineups I have had
the enjoyment of watching in a while. Usually there are one or two
performers that stand out but last week I gave high marks to nearly
everyone. (Gypsy had a bad night when I was there) Even my wife
enjoyed it so much she wanted to see them on a second night.
I saw T.C. Tahoe at the Sunday lecture and I was complimenting him on
his extraordinary palming skills. He showed me how he classic palm a
coin nearly flat handed, fingers spread, and smack his hand on the edge
of the table without dislodging it. I have much more practice to go as
I look like I'm suffering from arthritis or paralysis in the hand I
think is oh so cleverly concealing a coin! Anybody know of exercises
to increase the grip of those muscles in the palm?
Msg #12403 Dated 17:08:35 08-05-91 12381 <--> 12404
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks for the advice. The origami paper I bought in the same stor n
Lttle Tokyo wasn't much good either. Perhaps I will just wait for
FISM to return to Europe in 1997.
Msg #12404 Dated 17:10:39 08-05-91 12383 <--> 12438
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Please do let us know if you find out about The Magician being on
video. Interesting about Black's Magic. I have some of the Avengers
and a nice collection of Sesame Street - do they count?
Msg #12405 Dated 17:14:17 08-05-91 12382 <--> 12417
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Is it the mental set or the need to protect effects? In our society I
think that a law degree is rapidly becomming a basic requirement for
survival - that it should be a part of the high school curriculum.
Msg #12406 Dated 17:16:37 08-05-91 12384 <--> 12411
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
So BP will be getting a new skin man after all? The process doesn't
_sound_ like one I'd want to engage in. Got the damned fish some
exotic new food, but he/she/it still won't eat.
Msg #12409 Dated 17:22:50 08-05-91 12400 <--> 12412
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
Stan -
When you say Daryl got caught by one of the helpers, what does that
mean? Did he or she announce it to the room? Or grab his hand and
open in? And was it a he or a she?
Msg #12411 Dated 17:36:40 08-05-91 12399 <--> 12696
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
You got it. Heavy meta(L)man.
Msg #12412 Dated 17:36:45 08-05-91 12400 <--> 12423
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
Maybe they should get a bunch of friends to ring into those spots.
Msg #12414 Dated 17:37:44 08-05-91 -> 12433
From: SCOTT WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Sorry, but I don't have IMP installed yet and I have too much to type
on line that would otherwise take up precious telephone time. I will
install it soon.
Msg #12415 Dated 17:59:35 08-05-91 -> 12660
From: SCOTT WELLS
To: MICHAEL CLOSE
Re: CONTEST REPLY
I put my counterpoint reply to your July 30 article in the file under
CONTRPNT.TXT As before, I invite your thoughts and welcome your
"point."
Msg #12416 Dated 18:09:33 08-05-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: YO CALL
Thanks for the call and the tip today. Called Arkansas but missed the
Thayer, checking out the other two. Talk to you later....
Msg #12417 Dated 18:19:29 08-05-91 12405 <--> 12425
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
I think it has nothing to do with protecting effects. Rather, it has to
do -- I believe -- with the realization that legal maneuvering is a
form of gamesmanship having much to do with perception from multiple
vantage points, and as such has a similarity to magic on an analytical
level.
Msg #12419 Dated 18:28:13 08-05-91
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SCOTT WELLS (X)
Re: ESSAY
I've read your response to Mike Close, and agree with some of your
points. I'll save that discussion for another time, and for now make
two comments on specific statements in your essay.
You ask, "Does it make the effect less 'practical' for the real world
if it requires a stooge?" The answer is, yes it does. Stooging is a
method with many drawbacks, and lack of practicality is a major one.
Regarding your comments on Johnny Ace Palmer's FISM prize, I was not in
the audience when he competed, but I understand he received a very
enthusiastic response. However, the reaction by the convention audience
as a whole was _decidedly_ mixed.
Msg #12420 Dated 18:55:40 08-05-91 -> 12421
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
Thanx! I use hijaak where I work. Good program, but we're not allowed
to use it for personal picture conversion. Anything you can come up
with will be of help.
Msg #12421 Dated 18:57:45 08-05-91 -> 12426
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
Thax for finding them, and for putting them up! Will download
immediately! By the way, since you keep the phone numbers of your
members on file, mine will be changing. Actually the phone number
itself will be the same, but the area code will be changed to 510,
instead of 415. Presumably, you might want to change Pete Biro's number
as well.
Msg #12423 Dated 19:58:54 08-05-91 12409 <--> 12424
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
The helper was a "she" and she did not announce to the room that she
saw the coins underneath the bills when it happened. Only after the
show in conversation was the flash mentioned.
Msg #12424 Dated 20:13:35 08-05-91 12423 <--> 12428
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
Well, at least that is a partial relief! I've recently seen helpers
reach for coins, etc. on the table! Thanks for the info.
Msg #12425 Dated 20:16:03 08-05-91 12417 <--> 12450
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Seriously - do you feel that we could loose a number of potentially
great magicians in this manner? I have long been interested in the
similarities between law, magic, and a few other fields of endeavor. In
the case, say, of surgery, there might not be the same mental process,
but sleight of hand could come in, uh, handy.
Msg #12426 Dated 20:19:19 08-05-91 12421 <--> 12434
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
Thanks for the info on the changing area code. Looks like we will also
have several changes in the L.A. area - part of 213 will be changed
soon. Let me know how the PCX to IFF programs work - I haven't had a
chance to try them and, usually, I'm going the other way.
Msg #12428 Dated 20:24:50 08-05-91 12400 <--> 12431
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
Even the worst magicians have to pay attention to angles as well.
Msg #12431 Dated 20:25:30 08-05-91 12409 <--> 12432
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I bet a whistle was blown!! har....
Also, David-O... just ran across a book on my shelf I forgot I had,
called 'TOMMY WONDER ENTERTAINS' it contains the GREATEST STUFF
you can immagine. A one cup and ball routine using a soup can
and meat ball. You take out a can opener open can and use it, then
at finish you produce LARGE meat ball and can is restored to its
original condition... NOT OPEN AT ALL... no switching. A miracle
idea...
.
And the cups and balls. This is the most original idea I have ever
seen. AT the finish he produces the bag the cups were carried in
from under the cup. That is only part of the story. The loads are
never in your pockets!!!
.
It rivals and compliments Scott York's famed X-Rated Cups and Balls.
.
Both important contributions to magic, both more than worth your
study.
Msg #12432 Dated 20:25:50 08-05-91 12412 <--> 12435
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Aw c'mon TABOOOOO.... This is the first time in history I disagree
with you.... (unless you are jesting, for sure....) If you can't do
the stuff without angle catch problems then switch to another trick.
Msg #12433 Dated 20:25:58 08-05-91 12414 <--> 12442
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT WELLS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
You can write off line and upload ASCII messages without IMP!
Msg #12434 Dated 20:26:03 08-05-91 12421 <--> 12443
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
Hey... what is this area code change biz???? I don't know nuttin
about it.... is it true???? What do I do????
Helup...
Msg #12435 Dated 20:26:10 08-05-91 12423 <--> 12436
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
I hope she or you or someone TOLD DARYL.... If not tell him next
time you see him... cheesh... we need alla help we can get. That
goes for ANYBODY... get 'em aside and say... "your technique on
the .. stunk!"
Msg #12436 Dated 21:01:47 08-05-91 12431 <--> 12441
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
A one cup and ball routine using a can and a meatball?! With a
restored can?! And a great cups and balls?! Sounds terrific - who
wrote it?
Msg #12438 Dated 21:14:53 08-05-91 12335 <--> 12439
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Do I really have to answer that? It might alter your opinion of me...
Msg #12439 Dated 21:15:23 08-05-91 12388 <--> 12444
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I know, I know...
Msg #12441 Dated 21:20:18 08-05-91 12432 <--> 12451
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Shoot Pete. I can't believe you didn't see through that one. Don't
go hurting my feelings that way, I couldn't take it. I WAS gonna
say, "How many magicians have that many friends", but then I thought
somebody might take me seriously if I went that far. I AM glad to see
that MAGIC! is finally turning into a serious symposium. After over
2000 signons, I guess my sense of humor just isn't happening
anymore. Maybe I'll get a real life, a real job, a real purpose. Or..
MAYBE NOT. Maybe I'll just create the illusion that I did. Angle
proof, of course. Har!. You know I'm only serious when I'm
working.
Msg #12442 Dated 21:20:27 08-05-91 12433 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SCOTT WELLS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Download RDMAGIC.ZIP and PKUNZIP.EXE. At 2400bps it'll only take a
few minutes. You'll be glad you did.
Msg #12443 Dated 21:20:31 08-05-91 12434 <--> 12497
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
You don't have to do anything. Ma Bell will do it for you and even
put a recording on the 415 to let all your callers know it has been
changed when it happens - if it happens.
Msg #12444 Dated 21:20:40 08-05-91 12404 <--> 12446
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The Avengers, definitely (always wanted to be Emma Peel) They were
being rerun on A&E fairly recently.
Msg #12446 Dated 22:29:19 08-05-91 12438 <--> 12447
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You don't have to answer it, or you can pick C) All of the above or D)
None of the above. Guess if I was Bixby the answer would be more
relevant. It was an interesting show.
Msg #12447 Dated 22:30:59 08-05-91 12444 <--> 12453
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Emma Peel was something else! Of course, it depends on WHICH Emma Peel
you're talking about. There were, I think, three and the role changed
considerably with the different ones.
Msg #12450 Dated 23:04:54 08-05-91 12425 <--> 12458
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
In a certain sense, the idea of a "potentially great magician" is moot;
eventually it comes down to what is being done, not what might have
been. There unquestionably people in a wide variety of fields whose
creative attention might have been directed toward magic had a
particular set of events taken place. And, for that matter, there are
magicians whose involvement with conjuring has "cost" the world their
potential accomplishments in other fields.
And if pigs had wings...
Msg #12451 Dated 23:08:07 08-05-91 12431 <--> 12466
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I beg to differ. Tommy's Cup&Ball routine does not rival and compliment
Scotty's version; rather, it beats it all to hell.
Msg #12452 Dated 23:20:49 08-05-91 12317 <--> 12463
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
The general feeling on the Linking Rings is that it was actually a
Chinese effect, or an outgrowth of same; it was being shown around the
early part of the 18th century. Western magicians had been doing
effects where rings linked together -- sort of like the links-to-chain
effect -- but it is somewhat specious to compare them to the routine we
now know as the Linking Rings.
On the Prevost, lemme check my bibliographies for exact information.
Msg #12453 Dated 23:25:25 08-05-91 12312 <--> 12454
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Unless a lot has changed since I was there, it is more likely to be
cheaper HERE to dispose of Japanese electronic products rather than
repair them. Their export prices are much better than the ones they
pay themselves.
Msg #12454 Dated 23:27:50 08-05-91 12330 <--> 12455
From: T A WATERS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Maybe I shouldn't tell this story, as it will show I am even more
cynical than most people think -- but not too long after THE MAGICIAN's
demise, I happened to get into a conversation with Larry Brody, who was
the Exec Story Editor for the series; on learning of my background he
asked me why I thought the show failed. "Isn't the first rule to TV
not to disturb the audience's preconceptions?" I asked. When he said
yes, I said, "...there's your problem. Most people think magicians are
shmucks. You showed them a magician who wasn't a shmuck, and they
couldn't believe the character..." I said this only half in jest, and
he immediately took it completely seriously.
When you list the magic characters in books/films/tv, and tally up
good guys vs. bad guys, it is clear that magicians are not often shown
in the most favorable light. Not surprising -- a lot of people view
magicians as performers who lie for a living.
Msg #12455 Dated 23:36:25 08-05-91 12446 <--> 12456
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, trivia question -- he was Tony Blake in the series, but what was
his name in the pilot show?
Msg #12456 Dated 23:37:06 08-05-91 12447 <--> 12459
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Nope -- Honor Blackman played Cathy Knight -- Rigg played Peel -- and
Linda Thorson played Tara; then there was a further incarnation with
MacNee and two younger actors, dunno who they were.
Msg #12458 Dated 23:53:09 08-05-91 12450 <--> 12480
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Your point regarding lawyers and magicians, pigs and wings is well
taken. If you don't mind my asking, did you yourself ever seriously
consider, or perhaps even become involved in, a career other than
magic? Or was it your ambition since childhood?
Msg #12459 Dated 23:56:53 08-05-91 12454 <--> 12460
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Does this same concept explain the relatively long runs of shows like
"The Incredible Hulk" and the thing with the car that is smarter, but
apparently less handsome, than its driver ("Knight Rider")?
Msg #12460 Dated 23:59:30 08-05-91 12455 <--> 12461
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Argh!(tm - Biro). I'm afraid I'm not much of either a television
watcher or a trivia player, T A. But if your question is an open one,
I'm sure someone else on here will take a shot at it.
Msg #12461 Dated 0:01:17 08-06-91 12456 <--> 12469
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Gee, I guess I was too "into" watching them to remember their names!
Like Biro once said, "If we do card on airplane window, T A will know
who was on the flight." I think he also added that you would know
their seat numbers as well.
Msg #12462 Dated 0:02:32 08-06-91 -> 12502
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
SCHEDULE --- SCHEDULE --- SCHEDULE --- SCHEDULE --- SCHEDULE
*****************************************
***** BRUNCH WITH TOMMY WONDER! *****
***** A SPECIAL WORLD CLASS MAGIC! EVENT *****
***** SUNDAY, AUGUST 11TH, 1991 *****
*****************************************
HERE IS THE SCHEDULE FOR THE TOMMY WONDER BRUNCH
We will meet at the Magic Castle at NOON on Sunday, August 11th.
The reservation is in my name (too many magics down there): David
Lichtman. From noon to 1:30 we will have exclusive use of the
Pub area downstairs for our get-together. Brunch itself will
begin promply a :30 in the dining room (we are scheduled for
the Cherub Room).
Non-members just need to tell the doorkeepers that they are with
our group. Dress is casual, but, as many people are nicely dressed
at the Sunday Brunch, you will probably want to avoid torn T-shirts,
etc. Those of you who have MAGIC! buttons should wear them (ALONG
with your clothes, not in lieu of them).
Let's welcome TOMMY WONDER to Los Angeles in true MAGIC! style!
***************
Please remember - if you have NOT already reserved, you are NOT able to
attend.
Msg #12463 Dated 0:10:58 08-06-91 12285 <--> 12464
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
The steel wire is probably much too strong for levitating glass chris
tmas balls. I think a thinner nylon thread would work in your case.
Msg #12464 Dated 0:17:37 08-06-91 12285 <--> 12468
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
The steel wire is probably much too strong for levitating glass chris
tmas balls. I think a thinner nylon thread would work in your case.
Msg #12465 Dated 0:24:40 08-06-91 -> 12481
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Ee;11072
Saturday night I took a guy I met through the new age stuff I've
been investigating and afterwards asked him how he liked it. He
thought is was great entertainment.
.
I posed the question of "What if one of these magicians were to
present themselves as a person able to interface with other dimension
s and were to exhibit their powers using ordinary objects, such as
coins, cards etc.". They wouldn't let on that they were magicians,
but would present themselves as having a 'spirit guide or master'
that was aiding them in manifesting objects at will.
.
He said, "We would know they weren't spiritually guided and were tryi
ng to deceive us". He then proceeded to relate an 'actual' event that
he was absolutely 'certain' occurred, because he personally knows the
people that it happened to.
.
Seems there is this Holy man in India,
named Baba Das (or something like that). This guys friends went to
India to be with him. They had a small child with them. When meeting
the Holy man for the first time, the Holy man asked the child what
it would like. The child replied, "Just to be with you", where upon
the Holy man picked the child up. The child started crying. The Holy
man put the child down and then reached into the air and produced a
diamond ring, and proceeded to place on the child's finger. IT FIT
EXACTLY ! Now that is magic !
.
I argued that anyone with the appropriate training could produce the
same result using ordinary magic means. He was absolutely certain
he could never be deceived in that manner, nor would anyone like
this Holy man ever stoop so low. It was a 'true' demonstration of
his power to manifest any object he desired through will alone.
.
In a book entitled, "Witchcraft, The Total Power", the author gives
his definition of magic as, "Magic is an art which claims to - or is
believed to - produce effects with the assistance of supernatural
beings or _by_the_mastery_of_the_secret_forces_of_nature". He goes on
to say he is not eliminating the possibility that supernatural beings
may be involved, he just wants to concentrate on the secret forces of
nature.
.
Now this guy I took to the castle, definitely believes in secret
forces of nature and has all kinds of references to such events.
He also believes in 'Real' Magic more akin to the definition given
above. He would believe that a spiritually enlightened Holy man could
perform magic without deception, whereas 'magicians' of today use
tricks to deceive the public. I believe that this is what Houdan
meant when he said,"A Magician (deceiver or trickster) is an actor
playing the part of a Magician (a person capable of bending the secret
forces of nature to his will).
.
Most all are us familiar with the fact that performance magic as it
practiced today had several origins. One of which was 'tricks' used
by Priests and Shamans prior to healing to get the proper mind-set of
the patient for the placebo effect to take place. Of course, another
was the gamblers and low-lifes that used magic to fleece their
customers.
.
Which brings me to the point of this thread. At what point does the
use of magic to deceive become immoral ? I am particuliarly intereste
d in the dividing line between 'true' psychic or paranormal phenomena
or the ability to bend the secret forces of nature (if such exists)
and the staged versions of paranormal or magic demonstrations.
.
The New Agers are not much different than the mediums of Houdinis time
and are currently raking in big bucks taking advantage of gullible
people. There are also people using magic to separate the fools from
their wallets.
.
Could this be a reason magic is held in low-esteem ? If you
were a true magician, you wouldn't be performing at the castle, you
would be a guru in the New Age movement.
Msg #12466 Dated 0:25:30 08-06-91 12400 <--> 12467
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
Interesting, you saw the tip from stage right and I totally missed it
from stage left. I was really looking for it, as his hands were so
open - I was sure I could have caught it. Oh well, its fun to get
fooled once in a while. I left feeling really good about seeing a
good show.
Msg #12467 Dated 0:25:38 08-06-91 12424 <--> 12483
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Glad she didn't have a whistle, that would have spoiled the promo
videos Daryl was having made at the time.
Msg #12468 Dated 0:25:42 08-06-91 12315 <--> 12472
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Contact: Dynalloy, Inc.
. 18662 MacArthur Blvd, Suite #103
. Irvine, CA 92715
. (714) 476-11206 Fax (714) 476-3167
.
. Cost 1-10 meters $ 10.00/meter for Flexinol shape memory actuator
. wires also known as biowire.
Msg #12469 Dated 0:25:50 08-06-91 12340 <--> 12470
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Do you have a number for the MAGICK BBS, I would like to check it out
Msg #12470 Dated 0:27:23 08-06-91 12231 <--> 12471
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tell me more. "Demon Telegraph" was before my time, I think.
Msg #12472 Dated 0:30:34 08-06-91 12294 <--> 12473
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Yes, please bring it along, since I do not have one. If possible also
bring a bracelet,(bangle) with round edges, much like a ring, if you
know what I mean. This ring should be larger in diameter than a small
wine glass. If squirmle is not yet hooked up, let me do it. I'll try
to give a decent show, and can tell you a lot about it, little
details etc. But I have not performed it for quite some time....
Msg #12473 Dated 0:30:43 08-06-91 12313 <--> 12474
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I think that's a great idea! You can also have stripes on the glasses
these stripes run in the direction of your hook up. Hey, this opens
possibilities!
Msg #12474 Dated 0:30:49 08-06-91 12290 <--> 12475
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
THis sounds like incredible stuff. Where can I buy some of it, is it
expensive? Can you may be get me some? Does it also come in thicker
measures? Will you be at the brunch on sunday?
Msg #12475 Dated 1:17:08 08-06-91 12472 <--> 12504
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
Will definitely bring it along. I'm really looking forward to seeing
you do this. Thanks!
Msg #12477 Dated 1:17:27 08-06-91
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HI YA!!!
Haven't heard from you in a while so thought I might say "Howdy".
Have been looking for the letter in the mail, but haven't recieved it
yet. Am planning a trip to the South in the not so distant future.
Where is it that you reside? Might be able to swing by. You mentioned
living and working in Music City for several years. I not only did T.V
. there but wirked for Masterfonics, mastering albums. Dan Fogelberg,
Joe Walsh, New Grass Revival and the like. Also while on the subject
of country music. Did you know David Allen Coe was into magic.
Haven't seen him perform, but understand he uses it in his show. also
into the tricks is ......great! mind block......let me see. Not Alan
Jackson.....oh yea, Steve Warner. Talked with him a couple of times.
There are` a few others in the biz. By the way, did you ever see a
close-up guy from Nashville named Gary Hayes. Very good. He was at
Opryland at one time. I think he might be the best card guy I've ever
seen. And I've seen most of them. Well enough for now. Talk with you
soon. Look forward to hearing from you. MIKE.
Msg #12478 Dated 2:21:41 08-06-91 12459 <--> 12479
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The "high concept" for the Knight Rider series was spawned in a
conversation between the then head of NBC programming, Brandon
Tartikoff, and the show's producer (name escapes me at the moment).
They were discussing the problems in doing action series fronted by
"hunks" who were unable to handle dialogue. So, they began tossing
around the idea of a series called "The Man Of Six Words" -- the
premise being that, for some reason to be established, the hunk would
have only a few words of dialogue per episode.
The producer left the session and worked on the idea, eventually
coming up with the idea of the computerized car which did most of the
talking.
Msg #12479 Dated 2:25:35 08-06-91 12470 <--> 12487
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It was the house organ of Davenport's in London some thirty-plus years
ago. The size and format were similar to "Abra." Wonderful descriptions
with illustrations by an artist named Laurie. It had real character.
Msg #12480 Dated 2:27:11 08-06-91 12458 <--> 12488
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
In college I minored in education, specifically pre-school and first
grade. For a time I considered that as a career. After college I worked
as a musician, graphic designer, and disk jockey. I contemplated going
into these fields, or possibly advertising, as well. Finally made the
full commitment to performing mentalism about 17 years ago, based upon
a passionate involvement with magic that started some 16 years earlier.
Msg #12481 Dated 2:31:35 08-06-91 12465 <--> 12503
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
The Indian who produces objects is named Sai Baba.
Your comment that "the New Agers ... are currently raking in big bucks
taking advantage of gullible people" overstates the case. There is no
question that there are New Age scams going on, but one ought not
assume that every practitioner is willfully dishonest and deceitful,
nor that every follower is gullible. The New Age movement covers a wide
range of activities and an awful lot of people, and merits specified
attention.
Msg #12482 Dated 4:46:06 08-06-91 -> 12489
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: ARGH!
Ok, Its 4:30 ayem and here I is... some guy phoned from Geneva, he
forgot the time zones.....a r g h .... back to bed....
Msg #12483 Dated 5:33:42 08-06-91 12322 <--> 12495
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
That's a wonderful idea!
Msg #12487 Dated 8:07:44 08-06-91 12478 <--> 12498
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, the only problem I had with the show was Michael's (I think
that's his name) insistence on actually driving. I felt a whole lot
safer on the roads when the car was in charge. But, I guess that too
fit the "hunk." I wonder, however, how well that show, and a great
many others (perhaps "Mr. Ed") fit T A's "rule" that the show must
agree with the audience's preconceptions. Is a successful magician
really that much less likely than a talking horse or a talking car?
And, if so, why could a show with a cute suburban witch married to an
advertising agency flunky succeed?
Msg #12488 Dated 8:15:55 08-06-91 12480 <--> 12499
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Most interesting, Max. I'm astonished at the degree of correspondence
in our backgrounds.
Msg #12489 Dated 8:19:01 08-06-91 12482 <--> 12508
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ARGH!
Good morning, Pete!
Msg #12492 Dated 8:59:38 08-06-91 -> 12588
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: ALL
Re: INFORMATION NEEDED
I am looking for some information on a coin slight. It is called
"SILVER SLID" . I need to know who developed it and where I can read
more about the move. (for example if it's in a book, what book).
Msg #12493 Dated 9:03:44 08-06-91
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: ALL
Re: PLACES TO GO IN ILLINOIS
I will be traveling to the Quad City Area (Davenport, Rock Island,
Moline, Bettendorf) in Illinois/Iowa on business and would like to know
of any points of magical interest there.
I will also be in the Grand Rapids area the first part of September and
would like the same info for that area.
Msg #12494 Dated 9:07:34 08-06-91 -> 12542
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: HELPA
I lost a card (biz type) of Chuck Fayne... and needa reach him in a
hurry.... too bad everyone of note isn't online... any body got a
phone number, address or anything on him? Helpa... helpa...
Msg #12495 Dated 9:08:35 08-06-91 12436 <--> 12496
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Tommy Wonder in his book "Tommy Wonder Entertains" sold by Busby.
Msg #12496 Dated 9:08:40 08-06-91 12441 <--> 12500
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Get a life!
Msg #12497 Dated 9:08:44 08-06-91 12443 <--> 13103
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
I thought Ma Bell would take care of a major customer....
Msg #12498 Dated 9:08:49 08-06-91 12444 <--> 12501
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I always wanted to be WITH Emma Peel!!!!
Msg #12499 Dated 9:08:54 08-06-91 12450 <--> 12684
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LAWYERS
I had a sheep that had wings...
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