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Msg #12500 Dated 9:08:58 08-06-91 12451 <--> 12510
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TRIX
OK, OK, I didn't want to be TOO COMPLIMENTARY.... THE WONDER reads
this stuff. But I think BOTH have advanced mojo.
Msg #12501 Dated 9:09:03 08-06-91 12453 <--> 12506
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Amazing... you are right. It used to be the place to go to to buy
camera gear, but I have found some of it cheaper (if not the same)
here in the USA... How's the Library comin? Not sure when I will be
down there... hope you make the T W brunch, T A.
Msg #12502 Dated 9:09:11 08-06-91 12462 <--> 12514
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
And bring a packet trick!
Msg #12503 Dated 9:09:16 08-06-91 12465 <--> 12605
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
That's why I, a true wizard, don't appear at the Castle....
Msg #12504 Dated 9:09:21 08-06-91 12468 <--> 12505
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Thanks fo the info....
Msg #12505 Dated 9:09:25 08-06-91 12475 <--> 12521
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
You got lucky!!!!
Msg #12506 Dated 9:09:30 08-06-91 12479 <--> 12507
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah, Demon Telegraph... have a couple of them around here. I saw
the actualy printing press they used to produce it rusting away in
the Davenport Crypt.
.
Wasn't there a similar publication from the bloke that had Vampire
Magic???
Msg #12507 Dated 9:09:39 08-06-91 12487 <--> 12511
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I assume you know that "Mr. Ed" was created and written buy a
magician? A very fine and very funny Lou Derman, known as "Friday
Night Lou" at the Magic Castle.
.
His close up set was a roar, a scream from beginning to end. He also
hosted a magic club of the inside guys known as the "Saheets" (A
carney language code word for SH*T.
.
Derman also wrote for Milton Berle, Lucille Ball and created at
least two other TV series' "Life with Luigi" and the other I forget.
.
He also published "Add Comedy to Your Act" a fine, fine book of
comedy magic, with about 100 comedy effects within the pages.
I'm sure he didn't philosophise as to why a show with a talking
horse... Lou just wrote funny stuff.
.
Snag Werris was another magician of the same era that did a lot
of writing, mostly for Jackie Gleason. Snag developed the burlesque
magic stuff Gleason used to do. And wrote a lot of the humor used
at the early Acadamy of Magical Arts banquets.
.
I believe the Banquet is being moved to a Wednesday night next time
so Siegfried and Roy can attend (on thier night off)!
Msg #12508 Dated 9:10:04 08-06-91 12489 <--> 12522
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ARGH!
No morning is good when you are awakened at 4:30 ayem, then get half
way back to sleep and the client from Akron calls (JUST TO B.S.)
A COUPLE OF HOURS LATER... "Gee it's 9:30 here", he said... to
which I replied AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH
(tm) Reg. US Pat Off.
What is a Pat Off? Is this two magicians patting each other on the
back because they just did a GREAT EFFECT? A ball floating, er sort
of floating -- on a wire under a rag?
Msg #12509 Dated 9:10:22 08-06-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LOTTO
A guy living in hs car won 20 Mil Ohio lotto. At barbershop the talk
was of it (my client on phone had to tell lme at 6:30).. one guy said,
he's going to by a new mercedes... other guy said, "with that much
money he will hve to move..." annother said, Yeah hell have to park on
a different street tonite... Another, you know why he played the lotto?
He couldn't spell BINGO.... RGH
Msg #12510 Dated 9:35:22 08-06-91 12496 <--> 12515
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I'm thinking about it. Will decide tomorrow.
Msg #12511 Dated 9:47:37 08-06-91 12447 <--> 12512
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Definitely, Diana Rigg. I would not want to be Linda Thorsen, the last
female companion for Steed. Although, the names did change with the
actresses.
Msg #12512 Dated 9:50:36 08-06-91 12446 <--> 12513
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Okay, C) All of the above
Msg #12513 Dated 9:51:05 08-06-91 12454 <--> 12517
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Cynical? You? Nahhh... A little depressing, maybe, but cynical?
But, unfortunately, it is true that magicians, more often than not,
were portrayed as buffoons and con men. That seemed to change in more
recent times, though, with Bixby, Hal Linden, henning & Copperfield.
Earlier we were, in fact, circus oddities with the exception of
Mandrake and a couple of others.
Msg #12514 Dated 9:57:55 08-06-91 12462 <--> 12520
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
MAGIC! buttons? I didn't know there were MAGIC! buttons! Got any more?
Msg #12515 Dated 9:57:47 08-06-91 12495 <--> 12516
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Tommy Wonder? THE Tommy Wonder? The same one that selected MAGIC!
members will be having brunch with on August 11th? Thanks!
Msg #12516 Dated 9:59:03 08-06-91 12510 <--> 12528
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
DON'T DO IT! At our advanced ages, there is no point in learning new
tricks like how to start the car/truck, how to behave in an office for
8 hours straight, how to "do" lunch.
Msg #12517 Dated 10:03:03 08-06-91 12507 <--> 12518
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, I remember about Mr. Ed (now that you've reminded me). Guess
we're lucky they didn't get a magician to play the part of the horse!
And, as most horse costumes have two ends, it could have even been
worse that that.
Thanks for the info/background.
Msg #12518 Dated 10:05:06 08-06-91 12511 <--> 12519
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Guess I'll have to go back and look at my tapes to remember which is
which. You can wear your Diana Rigg costume to the brunch.
Msg #12519 Dated 10:06:43 08-06-91 12512 <--> 12524
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, C) All of the above -- but who gets to drive? Hmmmmm.... Here's a
thought for the script writers we have on-line -- how about an updated
version of the show? Male and female magi who are also lovers. Rich.
Drive expensive cars, have private planes, and talk to each other on
cellular phones. They work together to solve murders and mysteries,
using magic. They always meet their clients at the Magic Castle and
always manage to catch an act or two.
Msg #12520 Dated 10:12:24 08-06-91 12514 <--> 12607
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
Will see if there are any spares. The originals were a signed and
numbered edition presented to the Charter Supporters of MAGIC! There
were a few made that were not part of the limited edition, but I don't
know if they are all gone or not.
Msg #12521 Dated 10:15:03 08-06-91 12505 <--> 12563
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Sure did! Tommy's routine with the Squirmly is an international
legend! Hope my untrained (and possibly even "clone") Squirmly can
learn to jump thru hoops.
Msg #12522 Dated 10:16:53 08-06-91 12508 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ARGH!
Nah, I think it is something that football guys started. An odd piece
of macho behavior. But maybe it has been carried over into magic.
Gee... gives rise to all sorts of ideas -- how about "spiking" a Zombie
after a great performance?
Msg #12524 Dated 10:38:26 08-06-91 -> 12525
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Is this then magic's version of the tree that falls in the woods?
Msg #12525 Dated 10:38:47 08-06-91 -> 12527
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, there are THREE magic shops in this area. Al's in downtown
DC, Barry Taylor's in Wheaton, and the Magic Masters in the shops
under the Press Club/Marriott complex in downtown. MM is a branch of
the Ken Fletcher operation which I believe also has an Atlanta shop.
Msg #12526 Dated 10:41:35 08-06-91 -> 12532
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC IN SFO?
I will be in San Francisco tomorrow night (7th), and spend the day
(8th), downtown. Staying at the Westin, St Francis.
Any Magic happening? Restaurant's, bars, IBM or SAM?
Msg #12527 Dated 11:05:46 08-06-91 12513 <--> 12529
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't forget Merlini!
Msg #12528 Dated 11:05:50 08-06-91 12516 <--> 12535
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Actually, I rarely do lunch, however, doing "supper" is one of my
specialties; though I'll be doing brunch in Nashville since I don't
do breakfast. I was almost employed in the music industry but kept
dragging my feet til they found somebody else to do the job. I also
decided about an hour ago that I have a life and will keeping it. It
might not look like much to some, however you can't judge a book by
looking at the cover. I am still trying to locate a "human cannonball
so might add another life to the ones I have now.
.
PS. Of course I'll be at HB watching Nathan. Front row tix please.
Msg #12529 Dated 11:06:02 08-06-91 12517 <--> 12530
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The Mr. Ed theme songs is one of my all time favorite bits of tv
music. A horse is a horse of course and no one has heard of a
talking horse unless of course you're talking about the famous Mr. Ed
Msg #12530 Dated 11:06:08 08-06-91 12524 <--> 12531
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I heard one fell, but didn't hear it.
Msg #12531 Dated 11:06:12 08-06-91 12525 <--> 12534
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I forgot about Magic Masters. I thought they didn't want magicians
hanging around preferring instead to sell to bored business execs. I
did notice they had a boothe at IBM manned by a very personable
demonstrator whom I met at FFFF.
Msg #12532 Dated 11:06:19 08-06-91 12526 <--> 12685
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: MAGIC IN SFO?
Gee Bruce. We feel left out. Any plans of hitting the Washington, DC
area?
Msg #12533 Dated 11:11:52 08-06-91 -> 12536
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: ALL
Re: IS YOUR WILL UP-TO-DATE?
In the past year or so we at RING 21 have had several of our
older members pass on and as a result their magic
collections have been lost or in many cases scooped up by
fast talkers hoping to get a great deal on priceless magic
books etc..
The following document was provided to the members of RING
21 as a thought provoker to start people thinking about what
would happen to their magic collections in the event of
their death. It was written by Bob Coleberd and is reprinted
here on MAGIC! for the use of all magicians with his
permission. Any comments, critism, ataboys, etc should be
sent to:
.
Bob Coleberd
16500 Knollwood Dr.
Granada Hills, CA. 91344
(818) 368-3525
------------------------------------------------------------
GUIDELINES
.
For the disposition of personal property.
.
STATEMENT
.
Individuals who have acquired significant holdings of
personal assets in the form of collections of books,
artifacts, stamps, etc. often over a life time of absorbing
interest in a vocation or avocation, are advised to
seriously contemplate the future of their collections and
make detailed instructions/provision for the orderly
disposition of these assets following their decease in order
to insure the supervised dispersal in accordance with their
wishes.
.
Frequently, if not in the majority of cases, executors and
family who are assigned the responsibility of disposing of
personal property, have no familiarity with or emotional
attachment to the articles involved, are uninformed as to
their historical, archival, or economic value, and a result
may be taken advantage of by predatory and unscrupulous fast
talking "collectors" or others and end up making hasty and
unwise decisions.
.
THE FOLLOWING GUIDELINES ARE SUGGESTED:
.
1. Individuals may wish to file detailed instructions as to
the disposition of the said articles/collections in their
collections in their last will and testament and so inform
the executor of the will and the family and others who are
likely to be immediately involved following their decease.
.
2. Identify and name with detailed description the items to
be given to particular friends, relatives, museums,
foundation, etc.
.
3. Make provision for the appointment of a panel of experts
from within national and local organizations i.e. American
Phialethic Society, International Brotherhood of Magicians
and the Caryl Fleming Ring 21 to make a survey of the
material and a list of recommendations.
.
4. Ascertain the wisdom and practicality of advertising the
articles in national and local media germane to the subject
matter.
.
5. Ascertain the practicality of conducting an auction
before a local or regional grouping with broad rules i.e.
minimum bids, lots composition, disposal of remainders, etc.
.
6. Determine the gift of specific items to museums,
libraries, schools, churches, etc. with guidelines for the
acceptance and rejection of the same.
.
7. Determine the extent to which items should be repaired,
repainted, replaced and restored prior to disposition and by
whom and at what expense, identifying source of funds and
amounts for the same.
.
8. Determine whether disposition of collection should be
recorded in the files of appropriate national organizations
for future reference and research.
.
9. Determine the conditions under which persons and
organizations accept these articles i.e. no for resale, etc.
NOTE: Conditions such as these are usually not binding.
.
10. Determine whether articles have been or should be
identified with a stamp or bookplate as origination in or
part of the collection of the deceased.
Msg #12534 Dated 11:26:09 08-06-91 12529 <--> 12541
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
"People yakety-yak all day..."
However, I believe that the line you paraphrased should be "no one has
heard of a talking horse, unless, of course, that horse, of course, is
the famous Mr. Ed.
Now - you got the answer to T A's trivai quiz? It looks like we're
coming up short on that one.
Msg #12535 Dated 11:29:10 08-06-91 12528 <--> 12551
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Glad to hear you're back on track, Tab. You had me worried there for
a while. Just keep bendin' that wood and all will be OK.
THE FOLLOWING IS TRUE! I told Nathan that you will be in the front row
when he grows up and plays at the Hollywood Bowl. He said, "Which
seat?" We told him, "Front Row Center." He said, "OK!"
Msg #12536 Dated 11:34:14 08-06-91 12533 <--> 12548
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: IS YOUR WILL UP-TO-DATE?
WOW! What a great post, Darrell! Thank you! And please send our
thanks to Bob Coleberd as well.
Incidently, one tends to sometimes overlook the value of one's
collection as it grows. It would be wise to check with an insurance
agent to determine how to specifically make sure the collection is
covered. It is my understanding that specialized collections are often
NOT covered under general homeowner's insurance. Insuring a collection
may require furnishing the insurance agent with an inventory and,
possibly, photographs. Someone I know was robbed of some very valuable
paintings and was being "scammed" by the insurance co. over the value.
Msg #12539 Dated 13:30:59 08-06-91 12359 <--> 12540
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTT'S
Yes, but....why wait 'til the last minute?
'W.
Msg #12540 Dated 13:31:47 08-06-91 12387 <--> 12547
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTT'S
You're gonna have to be early to get a seat for Jim, Vic & Shag's show!
'W.
Msg #12541 Dated 13:46:53 08-06-91 12507 <--> 12546
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Snag was quite a legend...and one of the first members of the Magic
Castle, too. I have a few of Snag's magic books in my library...and
they magically produce a smile on my face every time I see them.
'W.
Msg #12542 Dated 13:50:52 08-06-91 12494 <--> 12572
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELPA
I don't have my phone book in front of me, but if you still need it,
call me and I'll get it to ya.
'W.
Msg #12544 Dated 13:52:32 08-06-91 -> 12545
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
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Msg #12546 Dated 13:53:47 08-06-91 12383 <--> 12549
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I did one episode of Blacke's Magic and have a copy of it somewhere...
...don't remember if it was one of the first 6 or 7, though. It had to
do with a robot toy called Dynamite Danny, I think.
'W.
Msg #12547 Dated 13:56:24 08-06-91 12539 <--> 12622
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTT'S
Hey! That is a GREAT idea! We report on the convention BEFORE it
takes place! That way, everyone can decide if they want to attend or
not. I'm going to start working on FISM '94 right now. Do you know
anyone with precognition that can help?
Msg #12548 Dated 14:08:50 08-06-91 12533 <--> 12562
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: IS YOUR WILL UP-TO-DATE?
Thanks Darrell for posting _Is Your Will Up-To-Date_. I'll print
it up and give it some thought. Appreciate it, and a thoughtful
suggestion. I told Gloria, just call Charlie and let him sell the
stuff, but there are a few things I'd specifically like to place
with friends and hadn't really thought about it til I read your
post.
Msg #12549 Dated 14:08:58 08-06-91 12534 <--> 12550
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You're right, of course, of course. This has of course to do with
magic via the famous Mr. Lou.
Msg #12550 Dated 14:09:04 08-06-91 12534 <--> 12552
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
T A's trivia question went right over my head. I don't know that one.
Msg #12551 Dated 14:09:08 08-06-91 12535 <--> 12570
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Tell Nathan to keep wearing those shades and everything will be cool.
Me, not to worry, though I appreciate. I am a manic depresive and
a latent perfectionist and have so many irons in the fire that I'm
bound to get burned every once ina while. Now, if we could just get
the US Mail to shape up.
Msg #12552 Dated 14:15:28 08-06-91 12296 <--> 12553
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
But no one's BUYING or paying much attention to the artists you refer
to. Off topic re the definition, but on-topic re our discussion of the
health of magic.
Msg #12553 Dated 14:20:32 08-06-91 12446 <--> 12554
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The Magician ran one year, with marginal success. Wasn't there a
little contreversy because they occasionally taught the audience a
trick -- in other words, exposed an effect. Don't believe they are on
video.
Msg #12554 Dated 14:21:20 08-06-91 12447 <--> 12555
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
One Emma Peel, played by Diana Rigg. Two or three other women,
depending on whether you count the New Avengers, and they were all
diff. characters.
Msg #12555 Dated 14:23:17 08-06-91 12541 <--> 12557
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I feel the same way about the books I have from Sid Lorraine's
library, though I only knew him through his column in New Tops, etc.
Msg #12556 Dated 14:23:21 08-06-91 12544 <--> 12573
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC! NEWS
That's great news! David. This move should weed out the merely curiou
s and give us some room to grow. Congratulations.
Msg #12557 Dated 14:22:19 08-06-91 12454 <--> 12558
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Good story. Were I in Brody's position, I would have taken your point
seriously as well. I do believe there was something about the concept
the audience didn't buy, and I do believe it has somehing to do with
the audience not wanting to accept this type of elegant magi as a hero.
Msg #12558 Dated 14:23:26 08-06-91 12546 <--> 12559
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I'll check through the ones I've got, but don't think I've got the
Dynamite Danny episode on tape. BTW, I was wondering if anybody was
gonna catch my misspelling of Blacke's. If you have a copy and can
make a dupe, I'd love to have it to watch every once in a while.
After _Elvis and Me_ I can't get enuff of WP on tv.
Msg #12560 Dated 14:24:46 08-06-91 12478 <--> 12561
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Excellent story.
Msg #12561 Dated 14:26:30 08-06-91 12518 <--> 12567
From: EVAN KATZ
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What magi did Hal Linden play?
Msg #12562 Dated 14:26:25 08-06-91 12536 <--> 12566
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS YOUR WILL UP-TO-DATE?
You don't think about things like this until you hear the horror
stories and then you begin to contemplate your own exitence. We are not
only talking about elderly people either. Death has a way of chosing
its own time and victims!!!
Msg #12563 Dated 14:30:05 08-06-91 12290 <--> 12603
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Ain't 3% not much movement?
Msg #12564 Dated 14:31:36 08-06-91 12249 <--> 12565
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
Pass on fish. I guess Nathan's a little young to appreciate these
things. Killer.
Msg #12565 Dated 14:32:45 08-06-91 12564 <--> 12854
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
Fish passed on this morning - gone to the great aquarium in the sky.
Gave him a traditional burial - even violated water regs. and used a
fresh bowl!
Someone once said, "Goldfish are the idea pet. Just when you get tired
of 'em, they die."
Msg #12566 Dated 14:34:26 08-06-91 12562 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: IS YOUR WILL UP-TO-DATE?
Death is the inspiration behind magic. If we didn't run the risk of
dying at any moment, we wouldn't bother living, and wouldn't seek
immortality through publishing, etc.
Msg #12567 Dated 14:35:39 08-06-91 12549 <--> 12568
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Exactly - Mr. Lou. Interesting that I can't recall any episodes in
which Mr. Ed performed any magic -- other than talking.
Msg #12568 Dated 14:37:06 08-06-91 12553 <--> 12569
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks for the info. I don't recall them exposing any tricks on The
Magician, but it is possible.
Msg #12570 Dated 14:40:32 08-06-91 12551 <--> 12575
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Will pass your message on to Nathan. He'll appreciate it.
Glad there is no worry - I couldn't handle the vision of the Tabman
being replaced by a dude in a suit and tie, at his workstation, telling
a colleague about his new BMW.
Msg #12572 Dated 14:42:40 08-06-91 12494 <--> 13132
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELPA
Will post it privately.
Msg #12573 Dated 14:42:32 08-06-91 12556 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC! NEWS
Thanks for your comment, Tab. We have some exciting plans for the
future. This will help assure us of reaching that future.
Msg #12575 Dated 14:43:33 08-06-91 12500 <--> 12590
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
But there's a world of difference. Scotty's Cup&Ball routine is a nice
addition to the methodological repertoire, but in appearance it covers
no new ground; a lay audience would see virtually no difference between
this and the Vernon routine. Tommy's version is, on the other hand, a
radically new approach in every aspect.
Msg #12577 Dated 14:45:29 08-06-91 12506 <--> 12578
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Max Andrews' Vampire Magic had an actual magazine ("The Magic Magazine"
was its title). Perhaps there was a promotional publication similar to
the Davenport one, but I've not seen it.
Msg #12578 Dated 14:47:12 08-06-91 12513 <--> 12579
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually there are three basic modes in which theatrical magicians are
portrayed in the popular media. One is as the clever protagonist (e.g.,
Mandrake, Merlini, Norgil, Blake, Blacke). Another is as the clever
villain (frequent in movies of the 1930s, less common today; perhaps
the most recent example of note was the role Lance Burton played on
Knight Rider).
However, the third mode is by far the most common: magician-as-boor. If
you check the television shows that have involved magic over the past
twenty years, you'll find this crops up most of the time.
Msg #12579 Dated 14:51:47 08-06-91 12561 <--> 12580
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
"Magi" is a plural; try "magus."
Msg #12580 Dated 14:52:06 08-06-91 12567 <--> 12581
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
There was an episode of that dreadful series in which Mr. Ed performed
at a magic convention. Some of the Castle notables of that era were
featured; I recall that Dick Zimmerman did the Hen Ftsch Voodoo Ring.
Msg #12581 Dated 15:05:11 08-06-91 12580 <--> 12592
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks for the info, Max. I must have missed that episode.
Msg #12586 Dated 16:04:32 08-06-91 -> 12611
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC IN SFO
Yeah Tabman, thanks for asking. As a matter of a fact I am scheduled to
visit D.C. October 17 thru 20th. Am attending the East Coast Kitchen &
Bath Show and will be staying at the JW Marriott, near the White House.
Would be great to break bread with you once again! I'm sure you can
steer me to any Magic happenings in that area.
Msg #12588 Dated 16:13:20 08-06-91 12492 <--> 12599
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: INFORMATION NEEDED
Darrell,
Try looking for Paul Harris' Close up Fantasies part 2
If I remember, he has a routine called "Silver Slide" that might be
what you are looking for.
David (the other one)
Msg #12590 Dated 16:30:57 08-06-91 12428 <--> 12591
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
The worst magicians need to STUDY angles. The best magicians should be
able to intuitively know the angle of sight from the spectator to
whatever it is being hidden and make adjustments accordingly.
Msg #12591 Dated 16:35:32 08-06-91 12435 <--> 12593
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
There are two reasons why I did not tell Daryl. One is that after the
show he disappeared behind the curtain instead of stepping out to say
thanks etc. to spectators as some performers do. And second is, the
last time I tried to be helpful to a professional they wanted to know
who I was, what my credentials were, and why I was speaking to them
uninvited! As an amateur I lack the "altitude" of their peers but
personally I am always willing to accept helpful critisism from anyone.
Msg #12592 Dated 16:42:30 08-06-91 12444 <--> 12621
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The things a little MAGIC! will bring into your life! I went hunting
and found about 8 episodes of the Avengers. Have at least one with
each lady. Took a _very_ brief look at each and definitely, Diana Rigg
is the winner. Honor Blackman is a pretty good second. Linda Thorson
is third. Diana and Honor each have great looking hair.
Msg #12593 Dated 16:42:33 08-06-91 12466 <--> 12606
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Indeed, James Lewis is one of my favorite performers I have seen at the
Castle. One of the few that I enjoy seeing more than once whenever
they have a show. I met him briefly at the swap meet and he was
selling his booklet "Visible coins throught the glass table". I knew
I would not be able to perform it anytime this decade but I bought it
anyhow just as a show of support and thanks for his great shows!
Msg #12595 Dated 17:19:35 08-06-91
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR TRICK
Many of us do the hundred dollar bill switch. Recently you probably
have heard that the Federal Reserve has made a change in that
particular denomination to discourage counterfeiting. One of the
changes is a multicolored synthetic thread that cannot be copied on a
copy machine. An idea I am working on for my show is to tell the
audience about that thread and then say "Oh a little bit of it is
sticking out here" Then proceed to pull out a multicolored 25 foot
coil from behind it! Just an idea I will probably use in one form or
another. Feel free to do the same.
Msg #12596 Dated 17:27:59 08-06-91
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: INVENTIONS - GENERAL
I am still interested in what separates magi from other performing
artists and what new and better ways can be found to perform it.
Recently I got the fall schedule for Miller Auditorium (our local house
of culture????) and it struck me no magicians. No magi this year, none
last and none the year before...no magi at the local sports arena which
hosts concerts...mo magi at a local theatre that specializes in
concerts etc. Mag ar fund in comedy clubs etc and in certain
specific places like Las Vegas or Atlantic City (and others).
.
Blackstone/Kellar/Thurston/Herman etc. etc. etc. toured the US and
Europe with full length stage performances, but these have died out for
the most part while plays/musical concerts etc have not. Why is this?
.
Looking at the Miller listings it can't be from a narrow audience
appeal. SOme of the musical acts that come in like the British Black
Watch Bagpipe bands fill the house and I have to believe a high quality
magic act would do better than that and some of the items they bring in
and do quite well with are more esoteric yet. So if it isn't this what
is it.
.
Randy
.
PS Abbots starts tommorrow so look for my first review Thursday AM.
.
RL
Msg #12599 Dated 19:50:27 08-06-91 12588 <--> 12730
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: INFORMATION NEEDED
Oops! Right guy, wrong book!
Try looking in Las Vegas Closeup, again by Paul Harris. I just
saw "Silver Slide" performed by a thirteen year old, amazing a
whole room of adults at our last SAM meeting.
If this is the same one you're looking for, it's the one where
four cards are dealt for use in your favorite 4 ace or matrix
trick, and four coins appear simultaneously, one under each card.
I don't know if Paul originated the handling or not but it's a
good routine nevertheless.
David (the other one)
Msg #12602 Dated 20:32:57 08-06-91 -> 12616
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A-B-C- OF FAXIC
Tab, just attempted to Fax a request for a copy of Hans Wittus-Witt's,
Magic newsletter, to no avail. I dialed 011-49-517-12225 and nothing
happened.
Msg #12603 Dated 21:38:47 08-06-91 12474 <--> 12604
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
Yes, I'll be at the brunch and will bring a write-up for you if will
give you more information than you probably ever wanted to know,
unless you are also an engineer. See you there.
Msg #12604 Dated 21:38:52 08-06-91 12563 <--> 12672
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
It's 3% of the length and there are different mechanical configuratio
ns to get as much as 110%, of course the amount of force than can
be applied is inversely proportional to the amount of movement.
.
It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish. A little movemen
t with a lot of force or a lot of movement with a little force.
Msg #12605 Dated 21:38:58 08-06-91 12481 <--> 12619
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
How can you possibly jump to the conclusion that I'm assuming that
EVERY 'New Ager' is a scam artist, and EVERY one following the
movement is gullible. Sometimes I have difficulty with your reasoning
you must admit that there are some scams going on and that some of
people buying it are gullible to be fooled by the stuff - can't you ?
Regarding your comment that I ought not assume THAT EVERY PRACTITIONER
IS WILLFULLY DISHONEST AND DECEITFUL, leads me to the question of,
'Is is alright to be dishonest and deceitful if it isn't willful ?'.
.
Have you been to any of the psychic fairs that go on in the area to
see the stuff they are pushing ? It's really pretty amazing !
.
Do you have any information on Sai Baba ? Does he REALLY produce
objects out of thin air, i.e. manifest objects at will ? If yes,
then he is the first to show a concrete connection between dimensions,
or at least control over unknown forces of nature and I can't
understand why I havn't heard of him before. If no, then isn't this
a scam, even though he may not take money directly, it certainly helps
the old image and brings in new followers.
.
Do you know anything about Maharishis levitation training center in
Switzerland ? I have seen still pictures of people sitting in lotus
position, seemingly floating about a foot off the ground and always
considered them to be fakes - any comment ?
.
I was really hoping for people to take the moral/immoral question
seriously, but alas o sems particuliarly interested in ethics
anymore.
Msg #12606 Dated 21:39:19 08-06-91 12593 <--> 12610
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
Glad to hear you are on the 'Support your Local Magician' band wagon.
More people should. I didn't know he had published the coins thru
table routine, I'll have to ask him for a copy next time I see him.
I've seen him perform it, and it it very magical.
Msg #12607 Dated 21:39:25 08-06-91 12502 <--> 13130
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
I have ten pockets for packets, is that enough ?
Msg #12609 Dated 21:41:10 08-06-91 -> 12634
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: A-B-C- OF FAXIC
Somebody find that last message I posted re: Hans Wittus-Witt and
his fax newsletter cuz I was in a hurry to go out and got the number
wrong and KILL it please. Here is how it should read:
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
.
Hans Wittus-Witt of Germany is producing a magic newsletter.
The unique thing is that it is sent only to magicians with FAX
machines. It's called THE A-B-C OF FAXIC and Hans intends to
produce it twice a month. The first issue is available now. If
you fax him at 011-49-21-517-12225 he'll send you a complimentary
issue.
.
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Msg #12610 Dated 21:42:44 08-06-91 12570 <--> 12613
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Let me tell you about the new Mercedes pickup.
Msg #12611 Dated 21:42:49 08-06-91 12586 <--> 12677
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: MAGIC IN SFO
I'm due to be in Calif about a week earlier than that but will make s
sure am back in time to visit with you in DC and if time allows and
we are still here in Kraborg will have you down to the old mansion.
Msg #12613 Dated 21:43:00 08-06-91 12593 <--> 12626
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
That's a great way to show your support of your favorite artists and
artists whom you admire. I do the same thing.
Msg #12614 Dated 21:43:05 08-06-91 -> 12620
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: COP ON ARSENIO
Ee;12593
Copperfield did an excellent illusion on Arsenio tonight. Maybe
you leftcoasters can catch him yet. It's commercial time and would
hope Cop and Hall chat in a minute or so.
Msg #12615 Dated 21:43:11 08-06-91 -> 12802
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LOS AMIGOS
Ee;12593
Excellent brother, excellent. Enjoyed the stroll through the bomb
factory. Hope you guys can make it down to Kraborg soon.
Msg #12616 Dated 21:43:18 08-06-91 12602 <--> 12617
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: A-B-C- OF FAXIC
I'll have to check on the number, Bruce. I posted the info exactly
as it was passed on to me. Maybe he turns his machine off while he
sleeps in Germany. Let's try tomorrow.
Msg #12617 Dated 21:43:24 08-06-91 12602 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: A-B-C- OF FAXIC
WAIT.....A-B-C OF FAXIC 011-49-21-517-12225. Seems I left two
importante digits out. Try now and it should work.
Msg #12618 Dated 21:44:46 08-06-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YO FAX
Fax arrived five minutes after we left for Old Town so didn't get a
chance to relay your message. Were your ears burning tonight?
Msg #12619 Dated 22:08:12 08-06-91 12605 <--> 12632
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
The immorality of the issue seems clear cut to me Jerry. Almost
20 years ago my x wife ran away with a bunch of folks calling them-
selves _the inner peace movement_ which turned out to be a bunch of
huxters searching out wealthy but lost individuals to fleece with
their promose of enlightenment. I was left behind to try and pick
up the pieces. Their involvement with hypnotism left a bad taste
in my mouth so I stayed away from any discussion on this subject.
Her mom searched for "the truth" for many years and now lives a
solitary life on a mounain top in North Carolina her beauty faded
and her hopes basically shattered. There is no easy way to the truth
and often we can find it just by bending over and lookin in our
own back yards. The lure of money often overtakes even basically
moral and well meaning individuals and the cash at the end of the
rainbow becomes too powerful to resist. No doubt, there are a number
of good people involved in the _new age movement_ but like any other
enterprise that attracts _the lost_ a door is open for abuse and mis-
use and the leaders sometimes give in to the pressures to "produce"
miracles resort to the earthly powers of the modern magus. These
potentially powerful people become weak in their quest and sadly
hurt the minion in their misguided ponzi. I am tired of playing the
fool.
Msg #12620 Dated 22:08:31 08-06-91 12614 <--> 12628
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: COP ON ARSENIO
Too bad the producers of Arsenio or Copperfield insisted on doing
Davidi's first trick_baloon head Yogi_instead of doing anykind of
meaningful interview with David. Also, there was implication that
Arsenio was into magic as a kid, but on this show, who knows what
the truth is/was.
Msg #12621 Dated 22:18:54 08-06-91 12558 <--> 12627
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
HA!
I'll have to track it down, Tab, but I know I have a copy of the
episode. I'll be happy to make a copy for your collection, if you'll
be patient for me to dig it up.
'W.
Msg #12622 Dated 22:21:13 08-06-91 12547 <--> 12633
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTT'S
Not me, David. I'm busy at the moment, writing reviews of next week's
Magic Castle acts.
'W.
Msg #12626 Dated 22:29:34 08-06-91 12610 <--> 12664
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Aaarrrggghhh!!! (tm - Biro). I thought the hot pickup was that Italian
4-WD job that goes for about 120K. But even if you've got notions of
going yuppie on us, I trust Curly - he'll push the silly thing into the
swamp.
Msg #12627 Dated 22:29:33 08-06-91 12579 <--> 12635
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thank you, Max.
I'm glad someone else is bothered by the common misuse of "magi."
If "magus" doesn't trip your trigger, one might also use, "mage."
I've noticed the incorrect usage of "magi" in magical literature going
back quite a bit. I've seen the error in the writings of many
notables, including Anneman. I've always thought it to be a simple
but unfortunately incorrect shortening of "MAGIcian."
'W.
Msg #12628 Dated 22:34:44 08-06-91 12620 <--> 13133
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COP ON ARSENIO
In fact, as with some other talkshow hosts of note, he did start out as
a magician.
Msg #12629 Dated 22:35:53 08-06-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A-B-C OF FAXIC
In English, I would hope.
'W.
Msg #12632 Dated 22:36:21 08-06-91 12605 <--> 12638
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I jumped to no conclusion; rather, I said that you have overstated the
case, which you did. Go back and re-read your message. There was no
qualifier indicating that "some" or "most" were involved; you started
the comment with a straightforward "the," making a sweeping
generalization that you did not intend.
I do not have much information on Sai Baba, but most of what I have
heard seems to indicate that he's a fraud. I'm sure T.A. can provide
more on this.
Msg #12633 Dated 22:39:54 08-06-91 12622 <--> 12739
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTT'S
Yeah, but I KNEW that you were going to be busy with the future reviews
for the Magic Castle -- that's why I didn't ask you! How come you
didn't already know that?
Msg #12634 Dated 22:43:23 08-06-91 12609 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: A-B-C- OF FAXIC
Original post of Wittus-Witt message has been deleted, per your
request.
Msg #12635 Dated 22:43:35 08-06-91 12459 <--> 12637
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Sure -- everybody would like to BE the Incredible Hulk -- and everyone
suspects their car has a personality and is probably smarter or at
least mor snotty than they are.
Msg #12637 Dated 22:47:42 08-06-91 12635 <--> 12642
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Aw, come on, T A. I can understand many men wanting to be homicidal
maniacs, but 8 feet tall and GREEN? Even Frogs don't aspire to that!
Msg #12638 Dated 22:48:31 08-06-91 12465 <--> 12640
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
A couple of points: first -- most new agers are sincere people,
whatever one may think of their beliefs. There are hustlers there to
be sure, just as in any other profession.
The guy in India is Sai Baba -- there are two of that name, he is the
younger; the other is a legit spiritual teacher. Young Baba does a lot
of apport stuff, items appearing in people's hands -- and has quite a
following.
As far as the moral aspects -- why even bring magic into it? What do
we think of someone who says something he or she knows isn't true, in
order to gain something? As for example, oh, saying he won't raise
taxes if elected because the other guy says he will...but of course
that's only hypothetical...
Msg #12640 Dated 22:52:46 08-06-91 12605 <--> 12674
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
To respond to this -- I answered your post before I read Max's answer;
it would seem that both he and I got the same impression from what you
said.
Msg #12642 Dated 22:56:27 08-06-91 12487 <--> 12643
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It might be more instructive to wonder why audiences seem to find a
talking car much more believeable than an intelligent and resourcesful
magician.
Msg #12643 Dated 22:59:07 08-06-91 12552 <--> 12644
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Compared to rock stars, classical isn't up there -- compared to
magicians, it is. But I didn't know we were talking about commercial
aspects.
Msg #12644 Dated 23:07:12 08-06-91 12637 <--> 12653
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You haven't been spending much time driving lately, have you? We have
a society in which people shoot others for places in line -- or, as
last night, for criticising spraypaint graffiti. If you've never
wanted to be the Hulk you've led a sheltered life.
Msg #12647 Dated 23:26:20 08-06-91 -> 12648
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Yo Tabman...
I know what you mean, sometimes I feel like some character out of DC
comix. What's new back east...how'
s the planning for the Nashville Magic fest going...last time I tuned
in you guys were just beginning the planning...if it's still on let me
know, maybe I'll go to it, mo bro' only lives an hour away. Till then,
remember, I am the one, the only...
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #12648 Dated 23:29:16 08-06-91 -> 12649
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Thanx David, glad to be back! Will try to keep in closer touch (as time
permits), after all my travails it's nice to know that I still have
friends...talks to ya soon...
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #12649 Dated 23:30:58 08-06-91 -> 12656
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: I'M BACK
The fedora is cocked and ready...all we need is a good shell game on
Melrose and youse and I can X> A%-.{+ a-I retire
(repeat because of garbage interferrence)...Melrose and youse and I can
retire...
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #12652 Dated 23:40:24 08-06-91 -> 12658
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: SQUIRMLE
Just found a few squirmels at the house of magic here in San Francisco.
Thet are by the way of a very good quality! So now I can practice a bit
and get theother thing ogether as well, so you do not need to take
them with you sunday. Sure need this practice if I am going to live up
to the reputation I seem to have here on this board!
Msg #12653 Dated 23:42:51 08-06-91 12642 <--> 12655
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Indeed, you have brought us back to the more germaine issue. But how
are we so certain that it was the role of the intelligent, successful
magician that did the show in? Could there have been lousy scripting?
Bad dialog? Wrong day of the week? Up against one of America's
favorite shows?
Msg #12654 Dated 23:44:05 08-06-91 -> 12673
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: ALL
Re: TRADING CARDS
If anyone knows the number of the message that started the trading card
thread I would appreciate it. I understand it was an interesting
discussion and since I am both a collector and dealer it would interest
me greatly. Who knows maybe I might have an answer (whatever that may
be)...
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #12655 Dated 23:46:21 08-06-91 12644 <--> 12661
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, I try to avoid driving in town as much as possible. But
perhaps you misread my message. In it I accepted the premise that
there is a latent desire on the part of the audience (particularly the
male members of the audience) to become homocidal maniacs. What I took
exception to was the idea that they would relate to being 8 feet tall
and green.
Msg #12656 Dated 23:49:16 08-06-91 12648 <--> 12717
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Yep, Geekman, you got friends here on MAGIC! And we always look
forward to your participation.
Msg #12658 Dated 23:50:46 08-06-91 12652 <--> 12692
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: SQUIRMLE
Glad you have a few good Squirmlys! I'm looking forward to the brunch
and the chance to get together. If you decide to throw in a little
magic, Well!, that is fine too!
Msg #12661 Dated 0:26:44 08-07-91 12555 <--> 12662
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I used to work with an artist that worked in the same studio as
Sid Lorraine. And I did the rough sketches Sid used to illustrate
the Malini Egg Bag book, published by Ken Brooke. Sid was a great.
I rmember a show where he did the Pitch Act and started to lose
his voice. I really felt bad for him and was trying to figure out
a way to get a glass of water to him on stage.
Boy was I had... it was part of the act, and he "Drank the Fraznia"
and his voice came back! Great acting... had me beat!!!
Msg #12662 Dated 0:26:57 08-07-91 12558 <--> 12665
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I didn't know Word Perfect (WP) wuz on TV... just my screen.
Msg #12664 Dated 0:27:09 08-07-91 12575 <--> 12667
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TRIX
Stated as you have, I guess you are right. Sort of.... hah! No
question TW has broken much ground...
Msg #12665 Dated 0:27:16 08-07-91 12577 <--> 12666
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Then there was good old Oscar Oswald's "Magical Digest".
Msg #12666 Dated 0:27:21 08-07-91 12580 <--> 12669
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Aha... the Hen Fetch Voodoo Ring... how many know that! Hah....
Msg #12667 Dated 0:27:26 08-07-91 12590 <--> 12668
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
How many do tho?
Msg #12668 Dated 0:27:31 08-07-91 12591 <--> 12670
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
Tell them who you are and that your credentials include a vivid
interest in good magic and always are willing to help anyone that
seems to have a problem, amateur or professional. And if they
still act like snots tell them their angles need work, just as
much as their attitude does!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Msg #12669 Dated 0:27:40 08-07-91 12592 <--> 12694
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
R: CNTST.TXT
You like wigs? I know you mentioned IBM and SAM wigs once before.
But never the wigs worn by women on the Avengers.
I used to think women in Vegas Choruses all had their own hair,
that there were 30 dancers of each, Red Hair, Black Hair and
Blonde. Then I worked a review and saw nothing but wigs and T**S
backstage... nice job.
Msg #12670 Dated 0:27:49 08-07-91 12593 <--> 12712
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIX
What do yo mean you will never perform Visible Coins thru Glass
Table... chrikey, there is only ONE MOVE, the pinch in it... the
rest is pretty much mechanical. Oh, you don't have a glass table?
Msg #12672 Dated 0:28:01 08-07-91 12604 <--> 12686
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
In Braco's book he moves things by actually PULLING the thread.
A great Idea.
Tonight I saw a show with four acts. The third act did a floating
lump of Aluminum Foil onstage. With full lighting. I was in front
row and could not see the thread.
When the guy left the stage something leaning on the wall, stage
left fell over without reason. The MC came out and asked everyone
to leave the theater (the curtain was out being cleaned) as the
next act had a tech problem. So we all left for five minutes and
came back.
Final act, pretty good, all KITES. Kite Productions, Kite Tail
bits, etc. and a Linking Kite Frame routine. Then to close he talked
about doing the Ben Franklin bit.... in a storm. The lights
flashed on and off, like a storm, right? They stayed DIM and he
proceeded to the floating Kite. Could hardly see the effect.
(Note the prior act had tangled the final act's thread that's why
the need to re-set).
My observatin is that Kites FLY in real life. They fly due to
being attached to a string -- so the floating Kite made no sense,
espacially in the dark. Otherwise the best act of the nite and
won first prize.
His name: Tim Hart. Second went to Oriental flower act of Mr. X,
third to Mental act of Don McCurry.
It was the Oakland Magic Circle stage contest show.
Hey, another real time review!!!
Msg #12674 Dated 1:19:34 08-07-91 12632 <--> 12676
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
OK - I didn't mean to imply that ALL were frauds, but there is a very
high percentage of fraudulent practices going on. Many that I have
met are very sincere, if a bit naive and open to all kinds of
subjective PROOF of paranormal abilities.
.
It is amazing how our belief systems can cause us to perceive things
to substantiate that which we WISH to be true. How do you handle
people that attribute psychic abilities to you, after you have given
a show and shown demonstable abilities far exeeding those who purport
to have the abilities you show.
.
For example, in your book 'Thavant' you have a very clever routine
using ESP cards. Given the presentation, it could be used as a clear
demonstration of ESP ability, when in fact its just clever magic. If
a 'New Ager' wanted to prove his psychic ability beyond doubt it
seems this would be a very powerful demonstration of psychic ability.
.
You, being morally responsible, present it as entertainment. Whereas,
other less moral people could use the same effect in an immoral
manner. Three card monte done as a magic demonstration is moral, the
way they do it on the streets of NY is not.
Msg #12676 Dated 1:20:00 08-07-91 12640 <--> 12693
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Sorry about the confusion. You guys dot all the i's and cross all the
t's, so I will be more careful in the future. To respond to the
question of why bring morality into magic, it has to do with people's
perception of magicians as deceivers, and indirectly as to why
magician's are held in low-esteem - which SEEMS to be the consenus
on MAGIC!.
Msg #12677 Dated 1:20:07 08-07-91 12611 <--> 12721
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC IN SFO
What's your Calif. ETA ?
Msg #12679 Dated 1:20:15 08-07-91 12654 <--> 12955
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: TRADING CARDS
I left you a msg on the number, but here it is again Msg # 2556.
Subject: MAGIC TRADING CARDS.
.
There several others, but this is the most definitive one.
Msg #12681 Dated 1:35:16 08-07-91 12220 <--> 12722
From: BARRY GITELSON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HAWAII
It's late tuesday night and I have just returned from our magic club
meeting.....tonight we got hung up on ropes. I just met Les Au when I
saw his act in Vegas (first place). Didn't get to talk to him much as
he was surrounded by people....though I did ask him to come perform at
our show next february. He lives on Oahu and we are on the Big Island
....thee are a lot of fellows there that we haven't met. Jimmy Yoshida
comes over to our show every year and usually one other performer from
Oahu. If anyone of you mainlanders want to come and perform we can
offer room and board...and interisland transportation. Someday we hope
to grow to be a major convention where we can actually pay performers
...gotta dream.
Msg #12683 Dated 1:48:57 08-07-91 -> 12804
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SCRIPT FILES
I uploaded a file called WELLS.ZIP which contains 2 scripts, the script
compiler and a README file. Enjoy !
Msg #12684 Dated 1:52:36 08-07-91 12480 <--> 12691
From: LYNN HEALY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LAWYERS
You? A preschool teacher?!! I can't imagine!
Msg #12685 Dated 1:55:48 08-07-91 12526 <-
From: LYNN HEALY
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: MAGIC IN SFO?
San Francisco is dead, magically speaking. The magic shop on the
Wharf and the magic shop on Pier 39 both closed in the past several
months, which leaves only the House of Magic on Chestnut St. I think
IBM meets on the last Tuesday of the month, and SAM is all the way
out in Concord (45-60 minutes wnw of the city -- that's west and a
bit north). Sometimes you can catch Jim Hamilton or Bill Okal working
at Ghiradelli or the Cannery, but most of the pros (and there aren't
many) work mostly out of town. There used to be a Merlin McFly's at
Hyde and Beach, but it was very poorly managed (they thought the
Buena Vista took all their people). It's been replaced by a TGI
Friday's and they AND the Buena Vista are both packed!
.
The St. Francis, huh? Must be a business trip! If you like French
(not the heavy kind) food try Rue Lepic on Pine and (I think) Taylor.
There's a great seafood place on Sutter and Kearny called Bentley's.
For great Vietnamese try the Emerald Garden on California and Larkin
(it's a little out of your neighbourhood, but not far - 5 minutes or
so) -- try their shrimp and pork salad rolls for an appetizer. For
lunch you should try Caffe Latte -- there are two of them, one in the
Shell Building on Bush and Battery and the other in Embarcadero 4.
.
If you have any questions call me at 415/771-8387 or 506-4371.
Have a good trip!
Msg #12686 Dated 1:56:02 08-07-91 12672 <--> 12687
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
How was the Spaghetti (or is that another one of their events?)?
Msg #12687 Dated 1:56:08 08-07-91 12475 <--> 12688
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
The next message will be a test. I think I know what the problem
was last night when we were uploading message. The one that hung
had a space as the first character of a couple of lines. The next
message I send will have the same. It should fail.
Msg #12688 Dated 1:56:15 08-07-91 12475 <--> 12725
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
This message will have a space as the first character of the next
line. This message should not have been sent.
Msg #12691 Dated 2:25:05 08-07-91 12684 <--> 12723
From: MAX MAVEN
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: LAWYERS
You might be surprised. I was actually quite good, in terms of
developing a strong rapport with the woodchucks.
Msg #12692 Dated 2:26:58 08-07-91 12658 <--> 12706
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SQUIRMLE
As you'll learn next Sunday, there is no reason to differentiate
between the Squirmle and magic -- in Tommy's hands.
Msg #12693 Dated 2:27:50 08-07-91 12674 <--> 12719
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
The vast majority of belief systems I encounter strike me as fitting
the definition of things that people wish to be true, usually without
substantiation (or much logic, for that matter). The issue of faith
doesn't particularly bother me; whatever works, say I.
My performance work is, as you've noted, presented in an explicit
entertainment context. Beyond that, I have a specific set of claims,
straightforward and legitimate. Despite this, there is no doubt that
there are people who decide to modify their belief systems because of
seeing me perform. Then again, there are people who believe that the
stories they see on TV soap operas are truly taking place.
I doubt that I agree on the issue of three-card monte being immoral
when done on the street. After all, the participants may not realize
just how strongly unfair the game is, but they certainly do understand
that it is a scam. They try to beat it, knowing that. In fact, some
time back a New York City judge threw a monte case out of court. The
guy had been charged with running a game of chance. The judge said that
it was clearly not that at all; because the spectators knew that the
guy was using sleight-of-hand and such, in the judge's view it was now
a game of skill...
Msg #12694 Dated 2:34:20 08-07-91 12653 <--> 12700
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Now you're on track. The Bixby series, to me, never deserved the
enthusiastic support it received from the magicalumpen. It was a poorly
written show, and the magic was stiff. (Consider the source.) The
Linden series suffered in much the same way.
Msg #12696 Dated 4:56:22 08-07-91 -> 12785
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Indeed! You never went up there with us on any of those visits
before the convention did you?
Msg #12699 Dated 4:58:40 08-07-91 -> 12735
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
...and you denied being a Trekkie? If you got HIM to speak then
you gotta be somewhat into SciFi!
Msg #12700 Dated 4:58:48 08-07-91 -> 12701
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
But Max, wouldn't a latinized singularization enhance the
appeal of your delightful descriptor for the magic masses?
Msg #12701 Dated 4:59:08 08-07-91 -> 12702
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I probably stop by Al's Magic Shop about once every six months.
Msg #12702 Dated 4:59:27 08-07-91 -> 12703
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If Dudley Moore is the one you think of from THAT movie when you
hear Ravel's Bolero, then you are in serious trouble El Petro!!
Msg #12703 Dated 5:01:51 08-07-91 12700 <--> 12704
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't think so, because they basically exist in group form, much like
sheep.
Msg #12704 Dated 5:32:10 08-07-91 -> 12705
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No...no....the question is who was Bo Derek???
Msg #12705 Dated 5:32:33 08-07-91 -> 12708
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
But it wasn't Dudley that got the TEN in that film!!!
Msg #12706 Dated 7:30:59 08-07-91 12692 <--> 12938
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SQUIRMLE
It was your previous recommendation which triggered the suggestion.
Msg #12708 Dated 7:43:14 08-07-91 12669 <--> 12709
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Linda Thorson should have made them give her a wig too. Hard to
comment on the rest of your message without violating the rules, but I
assume that both items are kept in the property room?
Msg #12709 Dated 7:45:29 08-07-91 12694 <--> 12710
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, I remember both the dialog and the magic always seemed contrived.
Seems to me that one of the problems with television is figuring out
why something didn't work. In this case, easy to blame the concept and
not do it again when it could have been other factors.
Msg #12710 Dated 7:48:38 08-07-91 12703 <--> 12711
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
!
Msg #12711 Dated 7:49:13 08-07-91 12704 <--> 12713
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK -- Who was Bo Derek?
Msg #12712 Dated 7:50:52 08-07-91 12667 <--> 12718
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Pete - you are leading us down the path of one line messages again.
Even caused me to post a couple myself. You need to reply with
substance - the power of your mojo mind.
Msg #12713 Dated 7:53:51 08-07-91 12621 <--> 12716
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Har!
Me be patient. As a practicioner and advocate of the Vietnamese 100
Year Revenge, I've learned to be patient. Will be very happy to get
copy of episode with WP whenever. Many thanks..
Msg #12716 Dated 7:54:10 08-07-91 12642 <--> 12724
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It is dismaying to see how tv has painted quite a few magicians. I
did like Arsenio's comment on his balloon animals when asked by
Copperfield which ones he did, "A doggie and a snake."
Msg #12717 Dated 7:54:16 08-07-91 12647 <--> 12741
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Hi Anthony...
Planning for the Nashville Thing is progressing well. It looks like
it will be good for both the lecturers and the lecturees. Pop me
your address and I'll send you a flyer. Ads in mags, esp Genii start
this month.
Msg #12718 Dated 7:54:22 08-07-91 12668 <--> 12737
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Why not have a card printed up that reads:
Hello, My name is --------. I can neither hear nor speak. If I could
I would tell you that you NEED WORK ON YOUR ANGLES. Please give me
a dollar.
Msg #12719 Dated 7:54:28 08-07-91 12674 <--> 12720
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
There are no rules on the streets of NY.
Msg #12720 Dated 7:54:31 08-07-91 12676 <--> 12727
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
For many, the outward view of the world is a mirror image of the
inner view. I have found that in the end those who professed distrust
for me, in fact turned out to be less than trustworthy themselves and
I now use this as an indicator in my own dealings with people.
Another point; a proverb I heard somewhere....if a man comes to
dinner at your house and during the course of the meal tells you
what an honest person he is, you better count the silver before he
leaves.
Msg #12721 Dated 7:54:40 08-07-91 12677 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC IN SFO
CA-ETA is 2nd week. October. Walnut Creek then south. No sked yet,
but will set when it gets closer. Have write and fly ticket on NW/AL
in my briefcase right now.
Msg #12722 Dated 7:54:45 08-07-91 12681 <--> 12751
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: HAWAII
Don't stop dreamin.
Msg #12723 Dated 7:54:48 08-07-91 12684 <--> 12732
From: TABBY CRABB
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: LAWYERS
I would think that Max would be an excellent teacher, being a former
Jr. High and college teacher myself. Dave Williamson too.
Msg #12724 Dated 7:54:53 08-07-91 12701 <--> 12731
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
An interesting note....just got a call from a magician in Nashville
who had seen a photocopy of my first flyer for the Music City Conclav
at the Mid-West Magic Jubilee. He's working shows at Boots Randolf's
club at Printer's Alley, Nashville. Pretty funny that someone would
photocopy a flyer. Makes me happy though.
Msg #12725 Dated 7:54:16 08-07-91 12672 <--> 12752
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Thanks for the real time review! I agree with you about the kites -
real ones ARE on thread and do fly, so it doesn't have the impact of,
say, floating an elephant.
Msg #12730 Dated 8:19:20 08-07-91 12588 <--> 12733
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: INFORMATION NEEDED
Thanks David for the info. I will check it out.
Msg #12731 Dated 8:20:26 08-07-91 12561 <--> 12740
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
He was Black, on Black's Magic.
Msg #12732 Dated 8:17:27 08-07-91 12723 <--> 12744
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Hey! What happened to ME in that list? I worked with handicapped kids
("exceptional children") and spent several years working with
emotionally disturbed and mentally retarded Jr. high school kids. Also
taught college for several years.
Msg #12733 Dated 8:21:35 08-07-91 12599 <--> 12762
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: INFORMATION NEEDED
Yes that is the effect that I am trying to find. I do a coin matrix
routine and am looking for a better way to introduce the coins and a
friend told me about this method but could only remember that the name
was "Silver Slide". Thanks again for the information. MAGIC! comes
through again!!!!!
Msg #12735 Dated 8:32:06 08-07-91 12699 <--> 12993
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Never said I wasn't a SciFi reader. I just don't watch much
television. Doing a bit with Harlan was fun. He's quite a character!
Haven't been in touch with him in many years. The convention didn't
quite know what to make of him. They were a very stuffy group for the
most part and he showed up in a dirty shirt and sandals.
Msg #12737 Dated 8:40:53 08-07-91 12718 <--> 12746
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Ooops! I've fallen of my chair again! Tabman, that is a GREAT idea!
I'm going to see if I can do up some cards right away! Beautiful,
truly beautiful!
Msg #12738 Dated 8:45:17 08-07-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CLEAN-UP
In looking back over the message base I notice that the conversations
have drifted a bit from the original topics. "CONTEST.TXT" is now the
longest running topic here on MAGIC! and it no longer has anything to
do with the CONTEST.TXT file that Mike Close posted.
The most recent versions of RDMAGIC (soon to be IMP!) have the ability
to start new message topics. If you are heading in a new direction,
I'd appreciate it if you'd consider starting a new topic. And if you
would try to give it a subject that would help someone spot it when
they are doing a scan or quickscan.
Thanks.
Msg #12739 Dated 8:50:15 08-07-91 12633 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTT'S
Good question. I had the answer for it last week, but I forgot it.
'W.
Msg #12740 Dated 8:57:18 08-07-91 12724 <--> 12747
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Many fond memories of Printers' Alley....many FUZZY ones, too...(hic!)
Boots Randolph hisself is a living legend to most anyone who has ever
heard of a saxophone.
'W.
Msg #12741 Dated 9:02:53 08-07-91 12649 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: I'M BACK
In the warmer months, I tend to favor my Panama...but we can just as
easily retire with our Panamas and a good Cherhez La Femme game on
Hollywood Blvd.!
'W.
Msg #12742 Dated 8:55:20 08-07-91 -> 12852
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
There have been two quotes on here in the past several months that have
bothered me. One was Pete Biro's comment to a European who, from
Pete's description sounded genuinely interested in, and appreciative
of, magic. When the fellow asked Pete if he could learn a particular
effect in six months of work, Pete wrote that he said something to the
effect of - just go down to the magic shop, buy the trick and perform
it immediately like the magicians do.
The other comment, admittedly less abrasive in context, was the one
that T A wrote that he made to Larry Brody regarding the reason for the
demise of The Magicican - "Most people think magicians are shmucks.
You showed them a magician who wasn't a shmuck, and they couldn't
believe the character."
T A went on to say that he was only being half serious, but that Brody
appeared to take him quite seriously.
In mentioning these particular comments I am only using them as
examples.
There is a peculiar form of cynical self-degredation that seems to
appear around here. It is, of course, not unique to magic and occurs
in many other groups -- the anti-semitic Jew is an example that comes
to mind (and, please[!], let's not get into a discussion of that
particular illustration!). Within the magic community, such views,
while they may not all be beneficial, are often stimuli for worthwhile
discussion. But, I wonder, is it appropriate/beneficial to make such
comments to those outside the community?
Msg #12744 Dated 9:39:43 08-07-91 12732 <--> 12771
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
You ACTUALLY were a teacher so you can't be on a list of magicians
who I feel would have been excellent teachers had they chosen to
follow this most noble of professions. If it makes you happy, I'll
make a list of former teachers who have chosen to eschew teaching
children for the glamour of MAGIC! Systems Operation.
Msg #12746 Dated 9:39:58 08-07-91 12737 <--> 12759
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Sorry. I'm trying not to be funny anymore since when I am I get taken
serious. So now when I'm serious you think it's funny. Well, I guess
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobodomy. If
you have some cards printed up, send me some.
Msg #12747 Dated 9:40:04 08-07-91 12740 <--> 12756
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Boots is the epitomy of country blues saxmen along with Ace Cannon. A
tribute to Boots total insanity is the fact that he uses a magician
as his opening act six nights a week except Sunday when the club is
dark. Printers' Alley has become much more seedy than it used to be
(it was always seedy) though the tour busses still stop there right
after they visit Wally Fowler's Elvis Museum. I did some work with
both Boots and Ace Cannon when I was piano man at Gilley's Studio in
Texas. I'll be visiting with him on Aug 16 in Nashville to see the
magician and hear the magic sax the night before Bone Pony hits the
MCA studio.
Msg #12750 Dated 9:45:17 08-07-91 12676 <--> 12754
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I JUST CANNOT AGREE THAT MAGICIAN'S ARE HELD IN LOW ESTEEM. SORRY.
IT IS MY OPINION, BASED ON THE CONTACT I MAKE WITH PEOPLE AND WHAT
I HEAR. END!
Msg #12751 Dated 9:45:22 08-07-91 12681 <--> 13409
From: PETE BIRO
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: HAWAII
ON the way to FISM in Tokyo, might stop in Hawaii for fun frolic
and magic with a large group... keep in touch...
Msg #12752 Dated 9:45:27 08-07-91 12686 <--> 12753
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: TRIX
WAS NOT THE SPAGHETTI FEED... this was a prelim to pick the per-
former to represent the OMC at the Spaghetti Feed, which is at
a new location, of which I forget.... letcha know....
Msg #12753 Dated 9:45:33 08-07-91 12688 <--> 12846
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: TRIX
I assume you were testing IMP! and had message failure. The one
you said would fail, did not fail... but the BUG you got to work
around is you must do A HARD RETURN BEFORE YOU GET TO THE END OF
A LINE.... it don't word wrap....
Msg #12754 Dated 9:45:39 08-07-91 12693 <--> 12803
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I like that judge... "A game of chance" hah.... Ken Brooke used to
tell me how the stupid magialumpe would try to get close and
let the monte workers know they were magicians... Ken said that
usually netted the Magicalumpen either a broken nose or if lucky
just a black eye!!!!
Msg #12756 Dated 9:45:55 08-07-91 12702 <--> 12757
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think of Dudley, but I FANTASIZE with BO.
Msg #12757 Dated 9:45:59 08-07-91 12704 <--> 12758
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Bo Knows. Derek was the airhead that allowed the masses to see what
a great performer Dudley Moore is.
Msg #12758 Dated 9:46:04 08-07-91 12709 <--> 12761
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
One of the problems with TV and Magic is that most of the time the
wrong people are doing it. It is NO HARDER to do things right and
good... it is just who is doing it.
Msg #12759 Dated 9:46:10 08-07-91 12712 <--> 12760
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
What kind of
substance do you
want me to
use
to avoid one
line messages?
Msg #12760 Dated 9:46:19 08-07-91 12718 <--> 12763
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
What a brilliant idea Tabla man... But would I have to declare
the income?
Msg #12761 Dated 9:46:24 08-07-91 12731 <--> 12770
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I have a funny reply, but David don't like one liners. Speaking of
which have you seen the Root Beer commercial where the product is
in view but only the hand/arm of the talent can be seen and they
keep doing re-takes of the spoken text as the speaker can't do the
second line? At the end the camera shoots wide and it is Henny
Youngman and he says something like, "What do you expect? I only
do ONE LINERS!"
.
I collapsed with laffter....
.
Note: It was Blacke (I think) and he was caucasian (that was the
line I will not do) arrgghhhh?
Msg #12762 Dated 9:46:38 08-07-91 12733 <--> 12782
From: PETE BIRO
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: INFORMATION NEEDED
Jerry Andrus has some incredible work on producing coins from cards
in some of his writing.
Msg #12763 Dated 9:46:43 08-07-91 12737 <--> 12773
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Hey that message was to me.
Msg #12764 Dated 9:46:46 08-07-91 -> 12778
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: CONTEST.FIL
Ee;12738
ok HERE is a new header.
Msg #12767 Dated 9:44:20 08-07-91 -> 12811
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
Received a postcard from MARVIN STERN. He sent it from Leningrad, to
let us know that he is OK. He's heading on to Helsinki and then
London. He sent a "thank you" to Pete Biro for mentioning Davenport
Magic - he plans to stop by.
Msg #12769 Dated 9:47:13 08-07-91 -> 12812
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: BURTON, NOT THE BIZARRE
Talked to two magical folks that have just come back from seeing
Lance Burton show at the Hacienda. Both RAVED about Lance and the
Magic... but thought the fact that on a Friday night there were
about 50-percent empty seats... was bad.
.
My feelings are it will be a difficult ride to make a Casino with
a bad reputation work and that it was a CAREER reversal going from
the Trop to the Hacienda, but a RISK HE HAD TO TAKE to get the
show going and to showcase it with hopes to move into a more
classy joint.... then there is a CHANCE the Hacienda will improve
if the word gets out that the show is HOT. Will try to see it
in next day or two. Am flying to LV Thursday and back Sunday.
Then going there again 19-20-21 Aug to meet with Joe Stevens nd
Jay Marshall to plan the 92 Seminar activities.
Msg #12770 Dated 9:52:39 08-07-91 12761 <--> 12776
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't remember, but you're probably right.
Msg #12771 Dated 9:48:21 08-07-91 12744 <--> 12781
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LAWYERS
A list of former teachers who now do MAGIC! Systems Operations should
be an easy list to make, if you can spell my name (or any of my
aliases). I think it is interesting to see how people came to magic,
or, as Max pointed out, how some of 'em left.
Interesting thing going on right now - a couple of our female members
are on-line simultaneously. Maybe I'll go watch them!
Msg #12773 Dated 9:54:05 08-07-91 12746 <--> 12774
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
I really do think the cards - "I cannot speak" - are a GREAT idea! If
I do have 'em printed (should be "WHEN" I have 'em printed), I'll send
you some.
Msg #12774 Dated 9:55:43 08-07-91 12759 <--> 12775
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I'd prefer if you use licit substances. I'm not sure that the stuff
that you make up in your wok qualifies. But YOU were the one who wrote
about how replies should include the message context. I'm not sure if
you were also the one who said that replies should be thoughtful,
should provide insight, etc.
Msg #12775 Dated 9:58:00 08-07-91 12763 <--> 12797
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Yes, but Tab's message about the cards was right out here in public,
and, after I picked myself up off the floor I just couldn't resist
replying. I really think he has a great idea there! It avoids
embarrasment on all sides and since the card will get slipped into the
magician's pocket, he'll remember it when he gets home.
Msg #12776 Dated 10:01:11 08-07-91 12758 <--> 12779
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Agreed - most of the time the wrong people are doing the television
work. But then they blame the concept. Makes sense - are they really
going to blame themselves?
Msg #12778 Dated 10:09:31 08-07-91 12764 <--> 12869
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.FIL
Yeah, OK, that was a new header. Now you got some content to put in
it? I really don't want to be bossy about this stuff - but when you
look at the list for the last thousand messages, you find that about
900 of 'em were on "CONTEST.TXT." Makes it hard for folks to
unscramble or to find the good stuff later.
Msg #12779 Dated 10:16:27 08-07-91 12041 <--> 12780
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
A thought or two...Could part of our seemingly collective problem
in ascertaining if magic is art reside in the fact that magic
itself is a novelty which may or may not require skill in order
for it's illogical question to be posed? In other words, a magic
trick in its purest form is basically a puzzle. At least for
purposes of discussion might we assume that magic at its most
basic level, that being a puzzle, is not art. Whatever art may
be in magic as as an entertainment form lies in it's presentation
and therefore resides mostly, if not entirely, in the theatrical
arts of dance, speech, mime, etc. where expression is not limited
by the basic statement of the paradox or puzzle. Could it be
that magic serves to enhance the another artistist expression and
that it is the addition of the element of wonder (hopefully so,
rather than puzzlement) that serves to create our illusive "art"
of magic? How unfortunate that so many of the "lumpen" execute
magic only at its most basic level and compound the sin by
failing to learn any of the necessary theatrical arts.
Msg #12780 Dated 10:17:19 08-07-91 12243 <--> 12783
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Problem with rice is that rain causes it to swell and stick and
it is difficult to remove. They now advise throwing bird seed
which is of course eaten by the birds and thereby removed.
Msg #12781 Dated 10:27:50 08-07-91 12723 <--> 12794
From: LYNN HEALY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LAWYERS
I can see Dave as an elementary school teacher no problem. Max is a
brilliant person, but the image that he has created for himself is
nowhere near what any of the teachers were like when I was in school!
.
Aside from that, I picture the best teachers of young children as
being playful. Williamson is playful. I think that Max would be a
far better high school teacher -- help knock THOSE monsters into
shape, and he's got the strength of personality to not put up with
their crap!
.
WARNING: The above comments are the opinions of a person who can't
STAND kids (maybe it was all those years of kid's shows!), so they
are not based on any kind of experience or knowledge -- just an
educated guess.
Msg #12782 Dated 11:07:15 08-07-91 12762 <--> 12829
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INFORMATION NEEDED
Thanks Pete, I'll check him out too. Just trying to find ways to put a
little more magic in my magic.
Msg #12783 Dated 11:36:49 08-07-91 12362 <--> 12784
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes...I know exactly how far $600 worth of dry snacks goes with a
crowd of magicians...and $700...and $800...and so forth. As the
Sysop your job is whatever you wish it to be. Since the board is
so successful, you have apparently decided upon a job description
that works well with the users!
Msg #12784 Dated 11:37:11 08-07-91 12363 <--> 12789
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Aha...just as I suspected. An archaic political term. It is a
relief to learn that the term has nothing to do with me since I
have never been "placed" and don't intend to be in the near
future. Howsoever, I might comment that while such a study would
be most interesting I doubt seriously that it would impact magic
much since the magicalumpen could greatly improve their
perception by the lay public if they but gained just a bit of
professional training in the theatrical arts before attempting to
perform in public. Since they mostly refuse to do that, I would
hardy expect them to make use of a study telling them what the
audience perception of magic (and/or magicians) is.
Msg #12785 Dated 11:37:39 08-07-91 12364 <--> 12791
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
One of the Tabone's greatest virtues is that he has both feet
very firmly on the ground! It is those roots that allow his
many branches and leaves.
Msg #12786 Dated 11:37:47 08-07-91 12365 <--> 12809
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
I know the feeling when you finally get the mothers going
again...my AT monster has been down for about 2 weeks and I
cannot get the time to set down and get it going again. For a
beast that is supposed to be a great time saver, I sure seem to
spend a lot of time in front of it.
Msg #12787 Dated 11:37:59 08-07-91 12366 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTESTS
I often feel that I thought better prior to graduate school. The
need for specialized thinking does not always mean improved
understanding. I had always thought ones tolerance would improve
with age but that does not seem so at least in my case.
Understanding wives are a boon and a blessing. Don't ask me to
explain how channelized thought, tolerance, and understanding
wives can all get into one paragraph.
Msg #12789 Dated 11:38:45 08-07-91 12371 <--> 12796
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The most important ingredient is always the people! Luckily, the
door was open and no obstacles were erected, but if the people
had not come in, there would have been nothing. Bulletin Board
Systems rise and fall and one of the biggest challenges for
MAGIC! will be it's ability to live through maturity. Humans
seem to have a limited number of topics they are able to discuss
and message oriented boards seem to recycle subjects all too
frequently. Often users get tired of discussing the same old
things and drop away. Once the hard core users fade away the
board ebbs and may even sink. New blood is a most necessary
element as are interesting topics.
Msg #12790 Dated 11:39:15 08-07-91 12372 <--> 12816
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Thank goodness I spotted the gray cap! What an enjoyable
evening! Thanks so much for coming over and giving us an excuse
to go out. We are honored and bettered by having met and spent
time with Gloria. Kraybourg has a great lady as her queen. Long
live the King and Queen of Kraybourg (at least until we can get
over for a visit).
Msg #12791 Dated 11:39:25 08-07-91 12373 <--> 12805
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I thought the lobotomy was what made the difference.
Msg #12794 Dated 11:41:12 08-07-91 12405 <--> 12807
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Yeah!! I have long felt that Survival 101 needs to be a High
School course!! If not a law degree, at least the basic
information on how to buy a house, contruct a will,
marriage/divoice, insurance, contracts, etc. Some basic medical
terminology wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Msg #12796 Dated 11:46:40 08-07-91 12779 <--> 12799
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't agree that magic is a "puzzle." I think that some folks
perceive it as such, particularly magi, and when that is the case, no
amount of presentation will convince 'em otherwise. For it to be
"magic," they have to be willing to accept it as something other than
a puzzle. Also, there can be different forms of focus in magic - for
example, is it the trick that is important? or is it the magician? I
think the focus (or locus) should be the magician. As such, he or she
is the artist.
Msg #12797 Dated 12:00:24 08-07-91 12441 <--> 12798
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Actually, I was anticipating a suggestion that the number of
shills be expanded to include the entire audience. Then learning
presentation skills, or being concerned about image would be mute
points and all the great magicalumpen would have an acceptable
venue.
Msg #12798 Dated 12:00:42 08-07-91 12451 <--> 12810
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TRIX
I was about to make a comment to Pete regarding his comparison of
the two York and Wonder C&B routines. I agree they neither rival
nor compliment each other. They were developed at different
times, have different goals, and serve different purposes. The
York routine had one major goal, that being the containment and
introduction of the final loads for later involvement in the
routine without the use of pockets or clothing (one could perform
the routine nude, hence the "X-Rated" title). The Wonder routine
deals more with the actual presentation of the effect and the
lovely idea of using already seen items as the final loads...sort
of heavy foreshadowing! Whether one one routine "beats" the
other or not is of course a matter of personal taste and
circumstance of use.
Msg #12799 Dated 12:01:13 08-07-91 12469 <--> 12800
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I was talking about the Magick CONFERENCE which is carried on one
of the PCBoard conference networks. I am sure there are boards
in the LA area that carry this conference. There is a hub board
and a host for the conference but I don't recall them since it
has been awhile since I have been in the conference. I will
check into one of the local boards here that carries MAGICK and
see if I can pick up some phone numbers for you from the taglines
on the messages. I might add that such networking of conferences
is yet another method that MAGIC! might look into to widen its
user base and offer the board to users without the cost of long
distance calls.
Msg #12800 Dated 12:01:41 08-07-91 12530 <--> 12801
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Huh?
Msg #12801 Dated 12:01:51 08-07-91 12531 <--> 12806
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I have only been by there a couple of times and then only to give
it a quick lookover. They are definitely geared to nonmagician
sales both pricewise and stockwise. They also are probably the
best looking magic shop you will ever see.
Msg #12802 Dated 12:02:01 08-07-91 12615 <--> 12823
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LOS AMIGOS
Ditto...it is really nice to do simple things with nice folks.
We enjoyed the stroll as well and it was new for us also. You
ain't actually been thur the "bomb factory" so thats an item for
a return visit! Kraborg is definitely on the list for both of
usuns. Soon.
Msg #12803 Dated 12:02:10 08-07-91 12676 <--> 12824
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Your comments on the public's perception of magicians and whether
or not it is one of low esteem remind of a conversation I had
long ago with one of the old powers-that-was of the I.B.M. This
man, Judge Tom Dowd, was one who bridged the days of the I.B.M.
from the days of W.W. Durbin to recent times. What I recall is a
comment he made that went something like this: "We took magic
from the carnival lots and alleys and made it into something
respectable" Maybe there is some relationship between this
comment and where Judge Dowd saw magic being in the '20s and
'30s and the public current perception.
Msg #12804 Dated 12:02:35 08-07-91 12683 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCRIPT FILES
Bless you! I have never had a file named after me. This is a
first and is most appreciated! Now to unzip and try it.
Msg #12805 Dated 12:03:01 08-07-91 12370 <--> 12808
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
nice! That reminds me that I still need to take you out there one of
these days.
Msg #12806 Dated 12:16:56 08-07-91 12784 <--> 12815
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
A valid point - there is a lot that should be done before a study is
undertaken. But let's not blame it all on the magicalumpen, as if they
were some very distant cousins that we hardly spoke to -- that could be
a danger in Max's word.
Msg #12807 Dated 12:23:38 08-07-91 12794 <--> 12814
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Agreed on Survival 101, but I think our society is rapidly surpassing
that course in its complexity. A law degree is almost an essential
prerequisite. Here in California it is legal for lawyers to advertise,
and some of the ads are close to unbelievable! Hmm... an ad for a
magician... interesting... maybe wait for Kent Commins to get on-line;
as he says, "Sometimes it takes a MAGICIAN!"
Msg #12808 Dated 12:28:52 08-07-91 12785 <--> 12825
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
It might have to do with the size of his feet. Or, gasp!, are you
suggesting that the Tabman is a "plant?"
Msg #12809 Dated 12:30:19 08-07-91 12786 <--> 13711
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
Just for the sake of history - the IBM PC made its debut ten years ago
this week - August 12th, to be exact.
Msg #12810 Dated 12:40:42 08-07-91 12760 <--> 12813
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Just send the income to me and then I'll declare it.
Msg #12811 Dated 12:40:46 08-07-91 12767 <--> 12827
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
I was just thinking about Marvin this morning and wondering where he
was. Good to know he's thinking about us while he is vacationing in
sunny Leningrad. Thanks Marvin.
Msg #12812 Dated 12:40:51 08-07-91 12769 <--> 12887
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BURTON, NOT THE BIZARRE
Let us know how things are going for Lance. Tell him that one of the
guys from The Urban Cowboy Band who did a show with him at 6 gun
territory said Hello.
Msg #12813 Dated 12:40:55 08-07-91 12775 <--> 12819
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
He'll remember you from the card and you'll remember him from the
blacke eye you are nursing.
Msg #12814 Dated 12:41:00 08-07-91 12781 <--> 12826
From: TABBY CRABB
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Brilliant minds aren't necessarily the proper criterion for brilliant
teachers. I think that dedication and conviction are two very impt
factors which Max has exhibited. If he had chosen to teach elementary
school, I would imagine that his personna as a teacher would be quite
different from that he displays as the brilliant Max Maven and would
imagine that the children would address him as Phil or Mr. Goldstein.
Msg #12815 Dated 12:41:07 08-07-91 12789 <--> 12817
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Relating new blood to MAGIC! and fresh blood to Vampires gives rise
to the thought that it is ideas that thinkers need like Dracula's
teeth seek the neck of the unwary and easily influenced. The philosop
behind reality is the idea that makes it all possible and the vision
it requires to foster the need for change.
Msg #12816 Dated 12:41:13 08-07-91 12790 <--> 13713
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MESSAGES
Which we hope is soon. Los Amigos we liked. Say who was that magician
guitarist who was performing behind the bar?
Msg #12817 Dated 12:41:18 08-07-91 12796 <--> 12822
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The art is in the presentation and in the artists impressions of what
and why he/she is doing magic in the first place. When the performer
and the inventor are two, it takes both a genius behind the effect
and an artist in front of the effect to make it magic. It takes more
than one head to wear more than one cap at a time.
Msg #12819 Dated 12:49:57 08-07-91 12813 <--> 12820
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
OK, I'll add a note to the card that says, "P.S. - I wear contact
lenses." I'm gonna try it!
Msg #12820 Dated 12:52:23 08-07-91 12797 <--> 12821
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
An interesting concept, certainly. I would also suggesting that the
shills be professional Shills and that they be paid accordingly.
Msg #12821 Dated 12:52:27 08-07-91 12798 <--> 12845
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Personally speaking. I would prefer to see Scotty York working in
his Speedos than in the nude.
Msg #12822 Dated 12:52:32 08-07-91 12801 <--> 12828
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I've been meaning to drop by the MM shop in DC to say hello to the
guys after meeting them both in Buffalo and in Baltimore. The Genii
cover story a few years back featured some great photos of
their elegant shops. When I come up to LibCong I'll make it a point
to drop by and say hello.
Msg #12823 Dated 12:52:38 08-07-91 12802 <--> 13718
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LOS AMIGOS
Well, I'm glad you said "simple things with nice folks" rather than
the other way around.
Msg #12824 Dated 12:52:42 08-07-91 12803 <--> 12847
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
That's funny. I wanted to be a side show magician when I was younger
after reading about Houdini's early years.
Msg #12825 Dated 12:52:47 08-07-91 12805 <--> 12871
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I started to bring up a trip to Middleburg last night but things
were so nice and simple, I forgot.
Msg #12826 Dated 12:52:51 08-07-91 12807 <--> 12889
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Actually, advertising for lawyers is nothing new as A. Lincoln was
known for his newspaper advertisments for his law firm before he
decided to make a run for glory.
Msg #12827 Dated 12:50:51 08-07-91 12811 <--> 12863
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
At least Marvin is traveling in the right season. The Leningrad
Philharmonic has an excellent conductor, Yuri Temirkanov, who has
performed at the Hollywood Bowl for the past couple of years. Can you
imagine summers in Los Angeles and winters in Leningrad?
You know, I was just thinking of something... how about a television
special with magicians raising money for a cause? Like the rock guys
have done, and the country folk, and others. Whatcha think?
Msg #12828 Dated 12:56:51 08-07-91 12817 <--> 12840
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think your cap is on too tight today, Tabman. Actually, those last
couple of posts were truly profound. And are making me think about the
role of the inventor and the role of the performer in light of the
comments on the role of the artist.
Msg #12829 Dated 13:37:27 08-07-91 12782 <--> 12830
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: JUST FOR OPENERS
Hey guys! I think Darrell has something here! Let's put some
magic back in Magic! How about it?
What are your favorite ways to introduce coins into a routine?
You don't have to "tip" any methods, I'm just interested, as I'm
sure others are.
For a coin and card routine, I still like Harris' "Silver Slide".
It's quick, adds a little flash, and sets the stage for things to
come.
I know Mike Ammar has some favorites, rather than just dragging
them out of his pockets. Maybe he can remind us of some of them.
This is a new thread subject. Let's see haw far we can take it
and give David (SYSOP) some much needed rest!
David (the other one)
Msg #12832 Dated 14:43:21 08-07-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-42
The forty-second set of MAGIC! messages - #10500 (July 28, 1991) to
#10999 (July 30, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-42.TXT. This means that you can now
go to the file area, download this file, and read the forty-second
volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the
PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed
version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-42.ZIP and is less
than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #12833 Dated 14:43:52 08-07-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-43
The forty-third set of MAGIC! messages - #11000 (July 30, 1991) to
#11499 (August 1, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-43.TXT. This means that you can now
go to the file area, download this file, and read the forty-third
volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the
PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed
version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-43.ZIP and is less
than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #12834 Dated 14:44:23 08-07-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-44
The forty-fourth set of MAGIC! messages - #11500 (August 1, 1991) to
#11999 (August 3, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-44.TXT. This means that you can now
go to the file area, download this file, and read the forty-fourth
volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the
PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed
version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-44.ZIP and is less
than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #12837 Dated 16:27:11 08-07-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: TEMPORARY INTERRUPTION
We were "off the air" from about 3 p.m. today until 4:21 p.m., Pacific
Time. It was an unplanned problem. There was NO damage to the message
base or files. It had to do with a sysop function. You have my
appologies. I'm going off-line to, uh, "explain" it to programming.
Msg #12840 Dated 16:39:35 08-07-91 12568 <--> 12841
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
100% sure they did. Particularly remember when they showed the
audience how a ball was able to roll back and forth on a piece of thin
rope the magi held between his hands -- black thread behind the rope
the ball rode on. There were others, too. Nothing big, not every
episode. Undoubedly a bid for better ratings.
Msg #12841 Dated 16:41:42 08-07-91 12579 <--> 12842
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
How did Fowles use the word in the novel "The Magus?" Don't think he
was using it this way, I think it referred to something else. I don't
remember, do you?
Msg #12842 Dated 16:42:41 08-07-91 12592 <--> 12844
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Avengers is running an Arts & Entertainment channel as we speak. Every
day.
Msg #12844 Dated 16:46:12 08-07-91 12709 <--> 12849
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Wouldn't put too much blame on poor execution -- look around us. I
think people watch television shows based on the characters, then the
concepts and stories, followed by an x factor.
Msg #12845 Dated 16:51:11 08-07-91 12670 <--> 12848
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
It's a muscle pass, right? That sucker's HARD!
Msg #12846 Dated 16:55:33 08-07-91 12604 <--> 12971
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Trying to picture what mechanical configs. would translate that little
movement into that mich (110%). Curious.
Msg #12847 Dated 16:59:10 08-07-91 12638 <--> 12886
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
"Apport stuff?" Typo, or term I don't know?
Msg #12848 Dated 16:52:32 08-07-91 12668 <--> 12864
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I think one should be carefull about giving uninvited advice or
critique. You see, first of all you need to know what the perormer
tries to do, what he wants to achieve. So many times people give advice
without nowing if the performer wants to achieve the same as what they
THINK the performer wants to achieve. It might be different! And the
the advice is totally invalid.
.
Also it is good to remember that you are talking about the performer's
"child". It is important to be diplomatic. A performer who takes his
work serious usually has a deep feeling about his material.
.
I can undertand that since this concerns the performer's "child", that
many only want to discuss this with people they know and respect,
someone they have an understanding realtion with.Someone who knows what
the performer wants.
.
In case of technical details like angles etc.,of course this may not be
valid, but I can understand that many are reluctant to take advice from
a stranger. You see many times the advice given is not on technical
details only, and so it is not illogical to grow weary of these
uninvited critiques. Critiques from people who do not know what your
objectives are. So if you want to help a performer, be at least
carefull,after all you are discussing his child and even better yet,
try to find out what the objectives of the performer are. Why is he
doing what he is doing.
Msg #12849 Dated 17:02:12 08-07-91 12779 <--> 12850
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
So the basics of magic is the tricks? I do not think so. I think the
basic element is the fantasy, the dream world, the possibility that
magic is possible. The idea behind it all.
.
If there is art in magic (and sometimes there is) it is the underlying
idea, it is in the thought.
Tricks are tools to make this thought visible, to make concrete that
what you want to portray. Not only are tricks one of the tools, so are
the theatrical skills. For instance good acting does not turn magic
into art, good acting is a tool to make this fantasy into a reality for
the audience. The theatrical skills are basically nothing more than
tools. The art does not reside in the tricks, nor does it reside in the
theatrical skills. The art resides in the underlying thoughts, in the
imagination you try to communicate,in the story if you will. The rest
is jsut tools. Of course you need all these tools to communicate the
art. But the art can never be in the tools themselves.
Msg #12850 Dated 17:08:41 08-07-91 12643 <--> 12851
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You miss my point. Yes, compared to rock, Classical sales are little.
WITHIN Classical, these new artists we are discussing are a TINY
percentage, I believe.
Msg #12851 Dated 17:09:44 08-07-91 12665 <--> 12856
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Was this part of the "Digest" series that included "Gun Digest" and the
like? I owned a book like that as a child, written by I forget who,
and I remember loving it quite a bit.
Msg #12852 Dated 17:10:53 08-07-91 12742 <--> 12859
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I agree. Keep the self-hate to ourselves. I, for one, think the
general discussion would be healthier if magi did a better job here of
hiding disdain for each other. For "magialumpen" and those who are not
as diligent, talented, and dedicated as they should be. Just a
thought.
Msg #12853 Dated 17:13:10 08-07-91 12226 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THREAD BOOK
Thank you for the information,
Pete.
Msg #12854 Dated 17:13:43 08-07-91 12565 <--> 12860
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
Was the fish, er, shall we say, helped, on his journey to the
netherworld?
Msg #12855 Dated 17:08:07 08-07-91 -> 12861
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: ALL
Re: FOCUS
I suppose it is best to start a new thread here. It comes from a
mention David Lichtman made in messg. 12796. about what one focusses
on, the tricks or the personality. It is an interesting subject. I
suppose both ways are valid, but I do have a personal preference. Let
me make an analogy. In a stage play, the job of the actors is never to
place the focus on their personality. Instead their job is to place the
focus on the story. That is the only thing which counts. As a side
effect, their personalities will of course come over the footlights,
while the story is being told, but it is never the initial goal. The
objective is to tell the story as well as they can. A stage play which
has no story, which has nothing to say, is extremely boring, even when
the actors have great and interesting personalities.
.
In magic I feel it is the same. Tell the story, tell me what you want
to tell me. Communicate your imagination , your idea to me, and at the
same time I will get to know your personality. But that should not be
the primary goal. If you havenothing to tell,nothing to communicate, I
am not interested. No matter how great your personality.
But if a performer does have something to say, does have an underlying
idea, a fantasy, and communicates that to me,great! At the same time I
will also get to know his personality,fine!
I prefer the focus, not to be on the personality, because that will
come to me anyway. I prefer it to be on the magic, not the magic trick,
but the magic.
Msg #12856 Dated 17:27:03 08-07-91 12840 <--> 12857
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Was it done in the context of the show? Or was it some sort of add-oo,
like an epilogue?
Msg #12857 Dated 17:27:50 08-07-91 12842 <--> 12870
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Really! What time of day is it shown in Los Angeles?
Msg #12859 Dated 17:32:58 08-07-91 12852 <--> 12890
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Somewhere in the message base today I mentioned the problem with using
magicalumpen too freely as a term of distain. I agree that there are
other thingswe culd be doing with our time, but I also feel that
there is something cathartic about the self-hate, so it is also
possbily productive (although I do not think it should occupy as
dominant a position as it sometimes seems to). But it bothers me even
more when that self-hate seemingly spills over into conversation with
laypersons.
Msg #12860 Dated 17:37:26 08-07-91 12854 <--> 13056
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
Absolutely not! We did everything I knew to be reasonable to attempt
to keep him going. He just died.
Msg #12861 Dated 17:39:00 08-07-91 12855 <--> 12878
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: FOCUS
Tommy -
I've had just had a bad hour-and-a-half with MAGIC! A systems bug that
kept us off-line and created a lot of work for me. One of those
moments when you begin to wonder about what ever made you start
something in the first place.
Then I read your message. It's worth it.
Msg #12863 Dated 18:43:52 08-07-91 12767 <--> 12881
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
WARNING... I AM IN A BAD MOOD TODAY... CRANKY AND READY TO KILL...
Legal Documents arriving had SOME to do with it.... YOU THINK YOU
HAVE SEEN ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All messages this thread are being written in a bad mood....argh!
Msg #12864 Dated 18:44:00 08-07-91 12773 <--> 12865
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I think they need (remember my warning moments ago!!) to also have
a set that says "I can't think"...argh...
Msg #12865 Dated 18:44:10 08-07-91 12774 <--> 12866
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
NUTS TO YOU TO!!
Msg #12866 Dated 18:44:15 08-07-91 12775 <--> 12873
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
HOW ABOUT MAKING SIGNS... "Will do table magic for food!"
Msg #12869 Dated 18:44:33 08-07-91 12778 <--> 12899
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.FIL
Sounds like a job for the programmer of IMP! Insttead of R there
should be no choice... use E, and an option to stay with header
or maka newone?
Msg #12870 Dated 18:44:39 08-07-91 12779 <--> 12875
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think magic is not an art. The PERFORMANCE of Magic, or Music, or
Juggling, or Mime, or Yodelling, or.... is where ART CAN REAR ITS
HEAD.... PERIOD, ARGUMENTS ARE ALL OVER. STOP. GOOD BYE!
Msg #12871 Dated 18:44:46 08-07-91 12785 <--> 13710
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
That is because he has heavy shoes. They keep his feed down!
Msg #12873 Dated 18:45:02 08-07-91 12797 <--> 12876
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Have you been to a local magic club meeting lately?
Msg #12874 Dated 18:45:08 08-07-91 12829 <--> 12967
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: JUST FOR OPENERS
I will go find the Andrus book and letcha know what he did to get coi
coins into the flow. I start table sets by asking anyone if they
have a Penny. Then I show them my silver dollar and go into the
copper silver....
Msg #12875 Dated 18:45:40 08-07-91 12840 <--> 12877
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Proving two things. Exposing magic did not hurt magic. And Exposing
magic did not help the ratings!
Msg #12876 Dated 18:45:46 08-07-91 12848 <--> 12894
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
My intent was STRICTLY to advise someone if they had a bad angle,
or if a billiard ball could be seen hanging under the coat... only
technical mistakes... NO ONE THAT IS NOT A CONFIDANT OR ASKED FOR
AN ARTISTIC OPINION SHOULD BARGE IN ... YOU ARE RIGHT THERE.
Msg #12877 Dated 18:45:53 08-07-91 12851 <--> 12885
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't think so. Oscar Oswald was a small antiquarian book and
magic dealer in London and his personal magazine was called
Magical Digest.
Msg #12878 Dated 18:46:00 08-07-91 12855 <--> 12879
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: FOCUS
Nicely stated, TW.
Msg #12879 Dated 18:46:04 08-07-91 12861 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FOCUS
I am going to start a new thread in one minute.
Msg #12880 Dated 18:46:09 08-07-91 -> 12961
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: NEW THREAD
Ee;12861
OK, lets get some magic flowing. Two things. I want to see a list
of the 10 tricks you have that are in your repertoire... they have
to be items you CAN AND DO WELL. Don't be embarrased if your list
only has ONE ITEM IN IT.
.
Then we will ask, "What tricks do you do that you think can be
updated or improved" and we will get some people going on that.
.
I will start with my list (this includes both Stand and Sit magic).
.
Edward Victor Bat Trick
Copper to Silver with Penny and Silver Dollar
Card on Forehead
Short and Long Rope
Linking Rings
Malini Egg Bag
Half Dyed Silk (Lloyd Enochs version -- similar to McComb's)
Card in Balloon
Triumph (Vernon version with no improvements)
Msg #12881 Dated 18:59:57 08-07-91 12827 <--> 12891
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
The happening type of events that have been on tv for fundraisers
ie: _Farm Aid_ basically make their nut and beyond from live ticket
sales and then selling the re/or live broadcast rights to HBO, etc.
The giant audience required wouldn't necessarily be impossible, but
the visualization of which would be difficult from the top row seats
from RFK stadium, etc. I would like to get involved in a fund raiser
of this type, but think that perhaps tv might not be completely
viable unless we could make a hookup with one of the cable networks
such as the Entertainment Channel which might be good.
.
re: Summers in LA and Winters in Leningrad; think the reverse would
be superior.
Msg #12885 Dated 19:00:27 08-07-91 12849 <--> 12888
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tommy, I agree with you to the point that you say that the art "can
never be in the tools." I understand your point, but I contend
that the creation of the tools can be art in and of itself. I'm
sure you know what I mean.
Msg #12887 Dated 19:56:14 08-07-91 12769 <--> 12916
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BURTON, NOT THE BIZARRE
Disagree strongly with your notion that Lance's move to doing his own
show is a "career reversal." Without question the Tropicana is a higher
status casino than the Hacienda, but the move must be assessed in
conjunction with the difference between being a guest specialty without
formal billing and headlining one's own show. I think it's a hell of a
good career move.
As for the business that the show is doing, it will take time for it
to build a reputation. That the Hacienda does not have a recent history
of quality shows is, of course, not helpful, and its location at the
far end of the strip is also not a plus. However, bear in mind that the
show just opened, and the numbers he is doing are not all that bad. The
houses range from 50% to capacity, which means he's doing better than
some other shows in town.
Once the PR really kicks in, the advertising is upgraded (he's just
switched agencies), the marquee is improved (they will have a pictorial
one to replace the sterile listing currently in front of the casino in
the next month or so), and, more importantly, the word of mouth gets
into gear, I think the show will do quite well.
And the bottom line is that it is a terrific show, as you'll see for
yourself.
Msg #12888 Dated 20:01:51 08-07-91 12779 <--> 12892
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Perhaps a "trick" in its purest form can be viewed as a puzzle,
although that is not how I view it, but _magic_ is absolutely not that.
It is an artistic exploration of mystery, and as such does not depend
on solutions in its purest form.
There is, unfortunately, no question that many would-be magicians treat
their work with a puzzle mentality, which leads audience members to do
the same. But I would submit that this is magic in an _impure_ form.
Msg #12889 Dated 20:04:17 08-07-91 12814 <--> 12907
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LAWYERS
The hairline was different, but the persona was essentially the same.
Msg #12890 Dated 20:01:02 08-07-91 12742 <--> 12904
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Eugene Burger has some interesting thoughts on this in his book "The
Performance Of Close-up Magic". I won't go on to quote the book at
length as it should be read fully to appreciate it. It did make me
think about what self-deprecating lines I include in my patter and I
made changes to get rid of them. He has a whole chapter on Negative
Thought in the same book which ties in with this and is also very good.
Msg #12891 Dated 20:04:44 08-07-91 12827 <--> 12893
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
It has been done, although not as a television special. "Magicians In
Concert For Hunger In Africa" was a one-time live event held at the
Tropicana Casino several years ago, organized by Lance Burton and
Fielding West. The performers included Doug Henning, Blackstone Jr.,
Jeff McBride, John Thompson, Mark Wilson, and myself, along with the
organizers, plus Harry Anderson as MC. (I may have missed a name or
two.)
Msg #12892 Dated 20:08:13 08-07-91 12841 <--> 12906
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
To my memory, Fowles used the word correctly. At any rate, check any
decent dictionary and you'll find out the proper usage.
Msg #12893 Dated 20:08:29 08-07-91 12881 <--> 12905
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
Maybe we take Biro's MAGIC! at the Magic Castle concept and extend it
into a fund-raiser. We could do it in a smaller venue and cut in
pictures of the crowd at Dodger Stadium or something. It could have
several goals. In addition to the obvious benefit of raising money for
a worthy cause, it could show magi in a good light and show good magic.
Msg #12894 Dated 20:10:45 08-07-91 12864 <--> 12895
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I've thought of using a similar card for people who are badly dressed.
Have it from the "American Clothing Council" or something like that.
The card indicates that the person is being nominated for a worst
dressed list. Problem is, you could go almost anywhere and you'd have
no time to do anything except hand out cards. Must be tough these days
to be a clown -- no-one notices you are in costume.
Anyway, I really like the card idea as originally proposed. Maybe we
add "A review of your performance will appear on MAGIC! this
evening..."
Msg #12895 Dated 20:13:38 08-07-91 12865 <--> 12896
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I'm sorry, but your "nuts to you to (sic) !!" arrived with no context.
Therefore I must assume that you have given me a gift subscription to
the Planter's Nut of the Month club. Won't work -- I already work for
peanuts.
Msg #12896 Dated 20:15:11 08-07-91 12866 <--> 12918
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Hey! "Will do table magic for food!" isn't bad either!
Do it up as a cartoon for Jim Sisti's Magic Menu and tell 'em it
appeared on MAGIC! first.
Msg #12899 Dated 20:18:38 08-07-91 12869 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.FIL
Reply and Append are legit - both on MAGIC! and in IMP! But since the
Enter is there, it should be used for messages that are going to go off
into a new thread.
Msg #12904 Dated 21:02:54 08-07-91 12890 <--> 12908
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Thanks for mentioning the Burger info, Stan.
Msg #12905 Dated 21:04:18 08-07-91 12891 <--> 12909
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
Sounds like "Magicians in Concert" must have been a great show. Would
be interesting to do a television one though.
Msg #12906 Dated 21:15:59 08-07-91 12888 <--> 12913
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It seems to me that boiling it all down to _pure magic_ is a giant
step forward. Your statement regarding _"artistic exploration of
mystery"_ is the first idea to come from this discussion that has
made any real impact on the subject in my view.
Msg #12907 Dated 21:16:05 08-07-91 12889 <--> 12924
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LAWYERS
At any rate, I'm sure that the loss to the teaching world has been
a gain to the field of magic. Perhaps in your later years you'll
choose to enter teaching and make your mark there also.
Msg #12908 Dated 21:16:10 08-07-91 12890 <--> 12932
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Napoleon Hill suggests that most individuals think at least 200
negative thoughts each hour (if I recall the numbers correctly) and
that once someone becomes aware of this personal negativity, steps
can and should be made to eliminate each. It takes work, however
the realization is the first step.
Msg #12909 Dated 21:16:17 08-07-91 12891 <--> 12910
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
I'd be interested in hearing more about this event and its' impact
on the situation mentioned.
Msg #12910 Dated 21:16:21 08-07-91 12893 <--> 12915
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
I would suggest first a cause; then if each of us spent a day a
month busking for the cause we could possibly have greater impact
than if a few of us gathered in one spot. First, local television
would pick up on it and then as it were disovered it were a national
concept we would gain national exposure and increase public awareness
of whatever situation we were trying help correct. Why not go for
aiding The United Way. The Rain Forest is doomed and the Japanese
tuna boats are killing dolphins by the thousands in their quest for
a whale meat substitute. Help doesn't have to be BIG to be a help.
For the last three years I've headed a group that prepares Thanks
giving dinner for a group of 150 senior citizens who live very close
to the poverty level. No news coverage, no banners and no tv but a
lot of smiles. Two years ago, we sold raffle tickets to get a wheel
chair. My Goblins of Rock concerts were part of an effort to raise
the funds for a bone marrow xplant for a kid named JR Haney. No tv.
Yes, you are right. We can make a difference. It doesn't have to be
on a grand scale. If each of us would try to make a small difference
it would mount up.
Msg #12911 Dated 21:16:37 08-07-91 -> 12922
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEN BEST TRIX
Ee;12896
I've been thinking about your idea on listing the stuff that we do
well as far as routined magic is concerned and hope that everybody
else has been too. Your message arrived in time for me as I've starte
d thinking about doing some stuff and I'd like to present it within
that context. Even though I am mostly involved with production and
building I am also working on my skills as a magician, not only to
relate but to entertain. My loosly routined "act" currently consists
of:
.
The Spooky Key from Mullholland's Book of Magic
The Enchanted Crystal from Corinda (substituting my key for
crystal)
A Torn and Restored Card similar to Karrell Fox's "Rip Off"
Biro's Sucker Poker Deal
A Four Card/Coin matrix similar to one Derek Dingle pub in Genii some
years back.
Glass Through Table based on the routine that Bill Evans in Houston
showed me 15 years or so ago.
.
Also, I am fascinated with your rat trap card catcher, but
haven't had the chance to put one together yet. I don't really
feel proficient at performing anymore, but since your visit here
I've gotten inspired and with TA Waters encouragement I've been
both thinking and working on it. While I am involved in the
business of magic, I do not consider myself a magician as that to
me implies not only knowledge but proficency of performance. Hope
this helps.
Msg #12913 Dated 21:20:29 08-07-91 12857 <--> 12923
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
3:30 weekdays, Arts & Entertainment!
Msg #12914 Dated 21:27:11 08-07-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: COINS
I just looked and Jerry Andrus has two books predatinhe Harris "Silver
Slide" see "Miser's Miracle" and "5 Dollar Tricks" by Andrus. If you
are not familiar with his work, time to catch up... great ideas man!
Msg #12915 Dated 21:43:35 08-07-91 12767 <--> 12917
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
WARNING... I AM IN A BAD MOOD TODAY... CRANKY AND READY TO KILL...
Legal Documents arriving had SOME to do with it.... YOU THINK YOU
HAVE SEEN ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All messages this thread are being written in a bad mood....argh!
Msg #12916 Dated 21:43:49 08-07-91 12887 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BURTON, NOT THE BIZARRE
I have heard it is great... what I mean by CAREER REVERSAL was
really the "locale" -- if the Hacienda DOES NOT pull, it will be
a bad move... but I also feel that a place like that is almost the
only way to break in and also to show it to other buyers... hence
the next move to a class location... Sadly the Hacienda is, as you
say, in the wrong place, has a bad rap... and that is what I was
referring to.
Msg #12917 Dated 21:43:59 08-07-91 12891 <--> 12925
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
What kind of "help" did the Hunger in Africa show elecit?
Msg #12918 Dated 21:44:03 08-07-91 12894 <--> 12919
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I think the worst dressed should have gone to some of the hosts
at the Magic Castle that told people in very expensive pants suits
they did not meet the code, while said host was wearing a Gold
Lame Dinner Jacket that looked like an old couch, velvet lapels,
Pink ruffled shirt, silver tie with light bulbs... Red velvet shoes
and a cummerbund that glowed in the darkk!
.
I remember a couple of guys that used to carry a trophy around and
would spot a good looking woman... one guy would run up to her and
say, "We are from the BEST LOOKING GIRL HERE COMMITTEE... (as the
second guy would start taking pictures of the first guy giving her
the cheap trophy) and we are giving you this award for being so
great looking!"
.
I never checked to see how often they "scored a date, or whatever",
but it was a wild and crazy approach!
Msg #12919 Dated 21:44:20 08-07-91 12895 <--> 12920
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Remember I said I am in a bad mooooooood.... Nuts to all and to all
a good night?
Msg #12920 Dated 21:44:25 08-07-91 12896 <--> 12927
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
No... I stole the line somewhere, forget from whom, was just
quoting someone .... hah....
Msg #12922 Dated 21:44:40 08-07-91 12911 <--> 12926
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TEN BEST TRIX
One only needs ONE trick, effect, scene, to hold in reserve when
the time is right to amaze, buffudle and ENTERTAIN.... No need to
have a million tricks... but nice to have the ability to slowly
build a great, selective repertoire.
.
The Poker Deal is not mine... I just use it. The presentation IS
MINE (AND ONLY YOURS ALSO WITH PERMIZIONE)... DIG...
Msg #12923 Dated 21:47:27 08-07-91 12913 <--> 12931
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thanks, Cindy! I'll ask my televison watching robot to watch it for
me.
Msg #12924 Dated 21:49:18 08-07-91 12907 <--> 12950
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LAWYERS
With over a thousand published effects to his credit and with the
lectures, including the one at the Music City Conclave, I'd be tempted
to say that Max has done a bit of teaching.
But you've given me a thought - with all these teachers around here,
how about we open up the Montessori School of Pre-Magic. It would be
for ages 2 to 6 and would provide training designed to prepare them to
be future magi. Combination of mental and physical exercises.
Msg #12925 Dated 21:54:38 08-07-91 12910 <--> 12933
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
The busking idea is a good one, Tabman. I think that United Way is a
little to broad for most people to feel inclined to donate to on street
corners. How about the Handicapped Olympics?
Msg #12926 Dated 21:57:23 08-07-91 12911 <--> 13002
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEN BEST TRIX
OK, Pete - here's my list:
The One-Way Force Trick that I wrote up on MAGIC! some time ago. Don't
remember what I call it, but I ONLY do it for magicians as it only
works in a crowd that knows what I'm doing.
Embarrassed Card based on Frank Garcia
A Mental Addition probably based on Martin Gardner
Saltshaker Vanish - which is likely a piece of the Glass Through Table
that Tabman uses and which I think came from Charles Pecor.
Computer Cards - an effect that uses Hollerith ("IBM" or "punch")
cards and which I haven't a clue to the origin of.
Un-Cards - Nick Trost - really don't do this anymore, but it is still
in my kit.
Guillotine of Death - my jazzed up version of Chalet's (Miller's)
finger guillotine - very proppy; with music by J. S. Bach (Toccata
and Fugue in D Minor).
A thing I call the "Len Ried Trick" 'cause I've seen him do it. The
handling was shown to me by Bill Frankenstein and I've been trying
to track down the credits ever since.
A vanished dollar bill to inside of four sealed envlopes inside a
wallet that had its origins as a sort of puzzle (no solution) in
Genii and which Jim Kahlert routined for me.
Things I'm working on:
The Frog Prince - Michael Close, but I want to change things so that I
ain't stealing it, even though I bought the book
A Signed Bill Switch with a Transpo Frame and a Wallet
A bit with a deck and a signed card that Pete Biro showed me and which I'm
working on a routine for.
Things I'd also like to do:
David Williamson's "Gee, Do I Get The Job?" with an Oreo cookie.
Msg #12927 Dated 22:34:24 08-07-91 12918 <--> 12928
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Expensive does not make a pants suit proper for the Castle. The hosts
are hard working folks who are called on to make judgements all the
time simply because people try to avoid the rules. I have never seen
a Castle host in a Gold Lame Dinner Jacket, with or without a pink
ruffled shirt and the other accessories you've described.
There are pants suits that do qualify for admission to the Castle and,
when they are appropriate, in the estimation of a host, they are
admitted.
Is there any chance that the trophy your friends used is the one that
you returned to Bill Wells?
Msg #12928 Dated 22:38:17 08-07-91 12919 <--> 12930
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Do your best to get out of your bad mood, Biro-san. We need you around
here.
Msg #12930 Dated 23:22:56 08-07-91 12896 <--> 12939
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
In the event you've been waiting past your reservation time, you could
give a cardt to the Maitre d' stating, "I will do food magic for a
table!"
'W.
Msg #12931 Dated 23:25:31 08-07-91 12747 <--> 12934
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
...wish I could come along, Tab. Last time I was in Printers' Alley
was right after Elvis and Me first aired...every club treated me like
royalty. I don't remember much after we hit Boots' joint. Probably
just as well!
'W.
Msg #12932 Dated 23:33:52 08-07-91 12742 <-> 12947
Fom: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I'll agree that self-degradation is not a good or useful thing. But I
do not think that negative comments about the state of magic are
necessarily that, nor are they necessarily cynical. It's worth taking
care to make this distinction, otherwise the result is likely to be a
policy of dismissing any negative comment by conveniently pigeonholing
it as "self-degradation."
Msg #12933 Dated 23:36:35 08-07-91 12909 <--> 13004
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
Okay, I went to the stacks and located a copy of the program. It took
place in the main showroom of the Tropicana in Las Vegas on May 30,
1985. The title was "Stars of Magic For Hunger in Africa." The proceeds
went to one of the agencies providing relief food supplies during the
African famine -- same as the "Live Aid" and "We Are The World"
efforts.
I knew I'd forgotten to include a name in the previous message:
although they did not perform, Siegfried & Roy came over from the
Frontier after their show -- along with their entire cast -- to lend
their support and participation.
David Copperfield was also scheduled, but he copped out at the last
minute -- on the day of the event -- which, as you can imagine, did not
sit well with the rest of us, who had in some cases taken time out of
busy schedules to arrange to be there.
The event was covered by various media, including a piece on
"Entertainment Tonight."
Msg #12934 Dated 23:39:16 08-07-91 12780 <--> 12935
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
More useful alternatives to throwing rice at weddings is nothing new.
When I was growing up back in the old New York neighborhood, we used to
throw rat poison.
'W.
Msg #12935 Dated 23:47:22 08-07-91 12653 <--> 12936
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If lousy scriptwriting, bad dialog could kill a show, there'd be a lot
that wouldn't have lasted as long as they have. It seems to have
almost entirely to do with public perception. What I think is the best
written and acted show of the past few years -- CHINA BEACH -- is off
the air, and I think it is primarily because the public, after Desert
Storm, didn't want to be reminded of wars that weren't so neat.
Msg #12936 Dated 23:49:46 08-07-91 12655 <--> 12937
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It's not easy being green, I agree -- but, to quote from a message I
saw on another BBS: Power corrupts; absolute power is pretty neat.
Msg #12937 Dated 23:51:09 08-07-91 12666 <--> 12940
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I got the Fetsch Voodoo Rings when I was a tad in the Air Force -- it
is still an excellent routine.
Msg #12938 Dated 23:48:08 08-07-91 12692 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SQUIRMLE
I just reread your comment in message # 12692 - that in Tommy's case
"there is no reason to differentiate between the Squirmle and magic."
And I re-read my message and I now see where you thought I was making
a distinction. I did not intend such a distinction - I was merely
suggesting that Mr. Wonder was under no obligation to perform for his
brunch! My reference to magic was intended to _include_ his handling
of a Squirmly, not to exclude it.
I appologize both to you and to Tommy if I accidentally created a
misapprehension.
Msg #12939 Dated 23:53:46 08-07-91 12930 <--> 12959
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Yes, but can the Maitre d' at McDonalds read?
Msg #12940 Dated 23:53:26 08-07-91 12731 <--> 12941
From: T A WATERS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
In the interests of pettiness, I should mention that the character was
Harry Blacke -- with an E at the end, y'know, like ARTISTE? :)
Msg #12941 Dated 23:56:53 08-07-91 12799 <--> 12942
From: T A WATERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
heWicked Scherzo, a local LABBS, carries the MAGICK conference.
Msg #12942 Dated 23:54:49 08-07-91 12935 <--> 12943
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The public's perception is an elusive, ever changing thing. Perhaps we
should take a new approach to magic - redefine it as "the conquering of
minds, and the overcoming of the public's will; by force, if
necessary."
(Lest I be accused of plagerism, that was one of Mel Blac's definitions
of advertising).
Msg #12943 Dated 23:57:59 08-07-91 12936 <--> 12944
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
T A! I'm ashamed of you - hanging around on "another BBS!" MAGIC! is
an "electronic communications system for magicians, not a BBS." But
perhaps the redefinition of magic that I just offered will dovetail
neatly with your quote.
Also, on a more serious side, I do not equate "power" with machoism or
with the latent desire to be a homicidal maniac. Power can be a much more
subtle thing.
Msg #12944 Dated 0:00:25 08-08-91 12850 <--> 12945
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Depends on how you define classical; by my definition, they are a major
percentage -- but I suspect you wouldn't agree with my definition at
all, so I suppose we should simply drop this thread -- we're talking at
cross purposes.
Msg #12945 Dated 0:02:20 08-08-91 12941 <--> 12946
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The message is addressed to Bill Wells, who lives in Maryland, but I
assume it was directed at Jerry Burton. Can you supply the number for
the Wicked Scherzo?
Msg #12946 Dated 0:02:29 08-08-91 12885 <--> 12962
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Um, yes, creating tools can be an art -- but it's another art, not
magic, if you define magic as a performance art.
Msg #12947 Dated 0:04:05 08-08-91 12932 <--> 12952
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
For the sake of convenience, let's assume I accept your redefinition as
"negative comments about the state of magic" (retaining the right to
return to my definition at a later time). Still, do you think it is
wise or useful to make such comments to laypersons? It hardly seems
beneficial to do so, regardless of the term.
Msg #12948 Dated 0:10:17 08-08-91 12674 <--> 12949
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I would like to know how you have arrived at the perception that a high
percentage of the New Agers are frauds. My own experience has been
that almost NONE of the people working in the area are frauds. I may
sometimes question their logic, may not agree with their beliefs, but
that is a very different thing. Perhaps your experience has been very
different from mine. Do detail.
Msg #12949 Dated 0:12:34 08-08-91 12676 <--> 12953
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
But -- deception has nothing to do with how magicians are perceived;
EVERYONE in theater, to some degree or other, deceives, from pretending
to do things they aren't really doing to saying words they don't really
mean. On some level all of theater has an element of deception; the
problem with magic, and in my belief the reason for the perception, is
that in magic THE DECEPTION IS ALL THAT'S GOING ON, usually -- so the
audience focuses on the only aspect available to them.
So it doesn't have to do with morality; it has to do with bad art.
Msg #12950 Dated 0:17:08 08-08-91 12684 <--> 12951
From: T A WATERS
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Well -- Max didn't say WHAT he would've taught them...
Msg #12951 Dated 0:18:10 08-08-91 12744 <--> 12968
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LAWYERS
I used to teach Air Force officers; does that count?
Msg #12952 Dated 0:22:35 08-08-91 12742 <--> 12956
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Naturally I gotta respond to this. First of all, I am not sure about
the SELF-degradation aspect of it; given my own near godlike
perfection, why should I necessarily be talking about myself?
Anyway...my comments to a person in the business -- if you do accept
that magic is at least theoretically part of show business -- are
hardly outside the community. Also -- do let me get something clear
here. I love magic. I think at its best it is one of the most sublime
theatrical art forms there is. When I see someone like Tommy Wonder,
or Lance Burton, or Copperfield doing some of his illusion
presentations, or Tony Slydini, or Roy Benson, or Eugene Burger, or Max
Maven -- or many more I could name, I think I am watching art.
So then I see some shmuck (I am using the nicest word that comes to
mind) who hasn't a clue about performance and hasn't bothered to ask
anyone, who does stuff he bought last week and calls himself a
magician...and, yes, I get annoyed, I get negative. ABOUT THAT
PERSON, not about magic.
And when someone is bad, it isn't a secret we should hold to our
hearts; we can't, because these idiots go out, representing themselves
as magicians, and perform for laypeople who then get their idea of
magic from that. It isn't something they didn't know already.
Encouraging -- or accepting -- bad magic, or pretending to the
outside world that it doesn't exist, only makes us appear dolts and
escapist fools to them; they've SEEN it.
Again, I love magic; and because I love magic, I have no use for a
number of people who have MAGICIAN printed on their business cards but
not held in their hearts.
Msg #12953 Dated 0:33:06 08-08-91 12847 <--> 12970
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
An "apport" is an item made to appear in the seance room or around the
psychic. Usually it is a small item -- ring, charm, etc., -- but it
one case it was a Mrs. Guppy, a 300-pound medium from the other side of
town!
Msg #12956 Dated 0:38:56 08-08-91 12908 <--> 12958
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Tabman...
I'll climb that Hill when I get to it!
Msg #12957 Dated 0:40:23 08-08-91 -> 12965
From: T A WATERS
To: ALL
Re: THE MAGICIAN
The name of Bixby's character in the pilot episode was...ANTHONY
DORIAN! Honest...
Msg #12958 Dated 0:42:00 08-08-91 12859 <--> 12960
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Definately this self hate can be a source for productivity, to make
things better. I know a lot of things I do come from being
dissatisfied, from removing what I consider mistakes. On the
other hand it can make you feel negative, and then become something
which prevents you from making progress. So this self hate, this
negative attitude can be harmfull, both to yourself and to other
(lay) people. I suppose the trick is to maintain a positive attitude
and still not close your eyes for those things that need improvement
Not easy at times, but certainly not impossible.
Msg #12959 Dated 0:42:06 08-08-91 12876 <--> 12966
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
That's exactly what I meant as well. Problem remains that many
people do not seem to realise the difference between technical and
artistic critique. And the result is that ,me included, some get
weary, th very moment a stranger walks up to you, saying "Hey,..
....etc.etc." It is something one should realise before becoming
pissed off by the may be disinterested attitude of a performer.
Msg #12960 Dated 0:45:11 08-08-91 12952 <--> 12963
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Wow! What a great closing line, T A! And there is certainly a lot of
food for thought in other parts of your message as well. But still,
the determination of "bad art" is a subjective one and your opinion, as
a magician, is likely to carry a lot of weight with laypersons.
For better or worse - even when laypersons have generally seen the
effects - physicians will NOT comment negatively on their colleagues,
lawyers generally will NOT comment negatively on their colleagues, etc.
etc. The only professionals I've encountered who seem to do so
routinely in the presence of laypersons are dentists, hair dressers,
and magicians.
Neither of the comments I cited as examples in my initial message about
this were specific about an individual magician.
Msg #12961 Dated 0:54:59 08-08-91 12880 <--> 12982
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
What is the Victor bat trick???? I do not know that one.
Msg #12962 Dated 0:55:02 08-08-91 12885 <--> 12972
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The creation of the tools? Do you mean the way they are applied.
The beauty by which they are used, ingeniously may be, to show the
message at its best. New ways to bring out the idea? If that is what
you mean I wholeheartedly agree. Great performers will use the old
tools in ways undreamt of, that in itself is artful. It shows off
the personality, the greatness. But I am sure that you also see that
without the underlying idea, fantasy whatever you name it, there
can be nothing, no matter how clever the tools are used. It will all
be hollow and empty if there is nothing behind it. And I fear that
is what is the basic fault with a lot of magic today. It is so
hollow, it has nothing to say. And the mastery of theatrical skills
cannot fill up what is hollow to begin with.
Msg #12963 Dated 0:52:15 08-08-91 12958 <--> 12980
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
It is perfectly fine to be one's own worst critic. Perhaps even
manditory if one is going to grow and develop. Dissatisfaction with
your own performance is a tool to make yourself better. But I was
refering specifically to disparaging the craft in front of laypersons.
As a magician, you see another magician's performance very differently
than a layperson does. I've often gone to the Castle, for example,
with a group of laypersons and they will see an act that I think was
very poor and they will think it was wonderful. Should I say, "No,
that was terrible?"
That is the sort of comment I was referring to.
Msg #12965 Dated 0:59:33 08-08-91 12957 <--> 13232
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: THE MAGICIAN
Thanks, T A. I was wondering if we were ever going to find out.
Evidently, you stumped the entire panel with that one.
Msg #12966 Dated 1:55:15 08-08-91 12774 <--> 12974
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Pete uses his wok as a SALAD BOWL! It's probably an excellent idea
to not trust anything that comes out of there!
Msg #12967 Dated 1:55:20 08-08-91 12829 <--> 12989
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: JUST FOR OPENERS
How'd you get those blank lines in the middle of your message?!!!
Msg #12968 Dated 1:55:25 08-08-91 12924 <--> 12969
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Given Max's affiliation with the Japanese, do you think he'll be
using the Suzuki Method?
Msg #12969 Dated 1:55:30 08-08-91 12889 <--> 13003
From: LYNN HEALY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LAWYERS
That's about what I thought. And I still can't quite picture you
(no matter what the hairline) molding those little impressionable
minds. On second thought -- I can imagine it and that's what scares
me! But I still think you'd be GREAT for high-schoolers!
Msg #12970 Dated 2:05:37 08-08-91 12719 <--> 12975
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I realize there are no rules on the streets of NY, I was merely
using 3 card monte as an example of the use of magic (sleight of
hand) to run an outright scam, versus offering the same skill as
entertainmant. I personally subscribe to the rule that it is immoral
to use magic to cheat people or otherwise take unfair advantage of
people dumb enough to think it is a fair game.
.
Card cheats and crooked gamblers use magic in such a manner, which
brings magicians into the same company.
.
Would you use your card skill to fleece your friends in a game ?
How about strangers ?
Msg #12971 Dated 2:05:49 08-08-91 12688 <--> 12973
From: JERRY BURTON
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: TRIX
You can have up to 8 spaces at the beginning of a line and it will
still be sent. However, if you have a blank line the MAGIC! system
will think that is the end of the msg, which screws-up the rest of
the upload.
.
I tend to use a single period to separate pargraphs, blank lines are
a no-no.
Msg #12972 Dated 2:05:56 08-08-91 12724 <--> 12990
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
After seeing the FAX of the flyer, it made my mouth water. I called
my travel agency to see what air fare would be. The cheapest they had
was $ 485 - unless things really improve I can't justify that for
just a week-end, although it looks like it going to be great.
.
I have to start saving for Japan, maybe I'll win the Lotto and be
able to spend the rest of my live going to magic get togethers and
just hanging-out, what a dream !
Msg #12973 Dated 2:06:06 08-08-91 12753 <--> 12978
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Hopefully by the end of the month it will. Trying to get a clean
version to boost sales for MAGIC!
Msg #12974 Dated 2:06:09 08-08-91 12797 <--> 13019
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Having an audience full of shills happens all the time, attend your
local magic club show.
Msg #12975 Dated 2:06:14 08-08-91 12693 <--> 12976
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
The comment regarding 3 card monte being a game of skill, rather
than chance reminds me of the W.C. Fields bit.
.
He is sitting at a table in a saloon, and a guys says, "Is that a
game of chance ?". W.C. replies, "Not the way I play it isn't !".
Msg #12976 Dated 2:06:20 08-08-91 12750 <--> 12983
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
ARE YOU HOLLERING AT ME AGAIN ? I said the concensus on the board
is that magicians are held in low esteem, which I personally only
partially subscribe to. I can agree that magic does not have the
status that other arts do, but on a one-to-one basis I try in some
small way to further the art.
.
I don't think the state of the art is as bad as some people on here
seem to think it is, but it could be better.
Msg #12978 Dated 2:06:31 08-08-91 12846 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
I just saw a configuration using levers that caused a very large
movement at the end, with a very small movement in the wire.
Msg #12980 Dated 2:06:43 08-08-91 12947 <--> 12981
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
The term magicalumpen (of which we all may agree there are none on
MAGIC!) is an example of denigrating people who enjoy magic at what
ever level they are capable of. We should encouraging them rather
than laughing up our sleeves at their attempts at becoming magical.
.
Regarding magic and non-magicians, I think we should never put the
art down in their presence, regradless of what we may think. I don't
think its right to be polly-annish that ALL magic is wonderful, but
let non-magicians make their own judgements and try to guide our
non-magicians friends into places where they can see truly good
magic, thus improving the publics perception of magic.
.
Msg #12981 Dated 3:42:36 08-08-91 12960 <--> 13008
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
On the contrary, I think it is _very_ beneficial to make negative
comments about magic to laypeople. I hasten to add, I am by no means
suggesting that this be done for its own sake, but rather when
warranted and in context.
Making analogies to doctors, lawyers, dentists or hairdressers is
midsguided. Consider, instead, other arts such as theater, film, music,
literature, painting, sculpture, dance, and so on. In these fields
there is _constant_ discussion, both public and private, concerning
assessments both positive and negative.
The pretense of hiding negative criticism from laypeople is, I think,
dangerous. No one with any intelligence is going to believe that any
art form is all good, so taking this approach is simply setting magic
up for a fall.
Doctors, lawyers and so on have their own protective reasons for such
restrictions on public commentary. Their agenda is unrelated to magic.
And, by the way, the public doesn't buy their all-positive pose for a
moment.
I encourage magicians to discuss the art of magic with non-magicians,
without the rubeant tint that obscures the vision through so many
conjurors' lenses. Perhaps if the lay public were exposed to more in
the way of honest evaluation of magic, they would stop regarding it as
"something to amuse the kiddies" and realize that an art which is
willing to take itself seriously just might be worth taking seriously.
Msg #12982 Dated 3:49:15 08-08-91 12961 <--> 13022
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
Yes you do, you just don't recognize the name. It is the version of the
paddle trick using a long black paddle (which looks like a miniature
bat used in the English game of Cricket). Lines are drawn across the
paddle, originally with white chalk, now sometimes with a grease
pencil. The lines are erased, magically come back, magically vanish,
and so on. The trick was created by Edward Victor. In this country it
is sometimes known as "I'll Start Again!" I don't know what it is
called in Holland, but I'm sure someone over there is doing it.
Msg #12983 Dated 4:14:52 08-08-91 12605 <--> 13010
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Sai Baba is a fake! My wife used to work for a follower years ago. I
found out a lot about him. Watch out for Sai Baba .. he will take your
gold ring and turn it into a cookie.
Msg #12985 Dated 4:29:13 08-08-91 -> 13014
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: ABBOTTS DAY 1
ABBOTTS GET TOGETHER DAY 1
.
Abbotts opened to absolutely gorgeous weather, 80, low humidity,
beautiful. That is the only unconditionally good thing I can say.
Some
of the problems are things that are out of Abbotts control, some were
not.
Attendance is down this year. Last year it was a packed house every
night, this year about 25% of the seats were empty.
.
The showrooms this year are a disaster area. With the entire
convention
being at the high school space was limited. Abbotts uses two class
rooms, 1 for tricks and one for books. Three other dealers occupy a
single class room and bring nothing of note to cause me to want to part
with my money.
.
Lecture 1 was by Terry Seabrooke. It was not well received by anyone
I talked to. The general comments were: arrogant, abusive (especially
with children) and uninformative. The lecture opened on a high note
with Terry saying he wasn't going to do the usual bit and hype wares he
had for sale and he began to discuss and illustrate what it means to
make a trick your own by placing you persona into it. Had he stopped
here the lecture would have been fine. He then proceeded to do a
section
on childrens magic and invited three kids up on the stage. He
proceeded
to abuse them verbally by yelling at them, embarrassing them and
making them the butt of cruel jokes. The other thing that raised
eyebrows was a statement that he didn't care if he flashed before a
spectator on stage if the bulk of the audience didn't see it. At any
rate
neither Marilyn or I liked him and several other people we talked to
all
had the same opinion.
.
The show was MC'd by Dave Madden (who I did not get to talk to) but
who did a wonderful job. Good humor, some hackneyed magic (by intent
I am sure) and really good rapport with the audience. Jim, Vic and
Shag
were part of the show to a round of thunderous applaud (singular). At
the end of a predicted card trick they stood up, removed their jackets
and
revealed the prediction on their shirts. The then sat down. All and
all
well done.
.
The show opened with Double Vision, a new act made up of two guys
who won Abbotts talent contest last year. The act opened with a very
classy dove routine with the birds trained to fly over the audience
(not
on bombing missions I hope) and return to a perch. The staging,
presentation, and performance were very well done. They then went into
a silk routine vanishing various objects that was a clear cut less
classy
than the dove act and closed an illusion where they changed places
while
"firmly" held in straps, not very convincing.
.
Next came the Troyans, a Russian couple from Moscow. This was not a
magic act at all. Slav Troyan is a super mime and I totally enjoyed
the
act. He did a mime routine from babe in arms to first steps, to
growing
up to grand father that was outstanding. Katie Troyan is a clown type
character who provides wonderful counterpoint to the more serious Slav.
.
Buddy Big Mountain, an indian ventriloquist, was next. He used a
cowboy dummy which in turn had a Mexican dummy, as well as a
separate bit with a Buffalo dummy. FUNNY FUNNY FUNNY. This guy
took pokes at indians, cowboys, mexicans et al. No magic, but good
entertainment.
.
Chris Mosel was up next. He was a magician who did pretty much
standard stuff in journeyman like fashion. The high point of the act
was
his dancing cane which should be videoed and used as a primer for how
to do this routine, very well done.
.
T Daniel and Co. were next on the program. This was another mime act
where the assistant dances in with a roughly 8" silver ball. T Daniel
takes the ball and spend the next 10 minutes fighting with it to get it
to
go where he wants. The mime was excellent and the illusion that the
ball had a will of its own and presented significant counterforce was
very
well done. But, after 10-15 minutes it begins to get a little stale.
This
act would have benefitted from either at some point floating the ball
ala
Okito or from shortening the time.
.
The act close with an impromptu performance by Harry Blackstone Jr.
Brett Daniels, who was supposed to close the show had a breakdown on
his way into town and couldn't make it so Harry filled in at the last
minute. All in all it was well done, especially considering the
impromptu
last minute nature of the program. An hour to prepare is cutting it
thin.
He vanished one bird cage, did some card tricks and an illusion with a
window with shutters to a Dorothy from Oz patter where a solid window
is penetrated 4 times by a needle and ribbon and then the glass is
removed and the ribbon is shown completely threaded thru the frame
where the glass was.
.
Randy Lund
Msg #12986 Dated 6:08:00 08-08-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: WILL
Darrell Murphy's message regarding what to do with your collection
upon your death was very insightful. Although I agree with most of
what he said, I must make some comments. First, just so everyone knows
where I'm coming from, let me remind you that I am a dealer in used
magic, specifically books and magazines. That taken care of, let me
further say that what I have to say is based upon having bought several
collections and NOT some others.
My first point is that it is probably not a good idea to let the
local club have an auction to sell off the collection. Unless, of
course, you're doing it to help the club. The problem is that all the
really good stuff will be sold off, and probably at bargain prices due
to the limited number of buyers. This will leave the widow with a
(sometimes very large) stack of books and magazines that none of the
local people wanted.
The same thing happens if the widow just lets a couple of people in
to pick and choose a few items (although there may be sentimental
reasons for doing such). In both cases the major items are removed,
often leaving mostly "junk". Dealers often make their bid based on the
good items, and add a little bit for th remainder, figuring they might
be able to sell the remainder after some time. For example, we
typically sell about half the items off our lists. And usually the bid
by the dealer is more than the widow would have gotten from selling
just the choice items.
My recommendation is to have two or more dealers look at the
collection and ask for bids. This way you can get a fair price and
move the collection in a relatively short time. Remember it takes time
and money (advertising, mailing lists, etc.) to sell these items. And
most dealers are honest people. Although they are trying to make
money, they aren't out to take advantage of anyone. (There are a
couple of "widow chasers" in the business, but they are fairly well
known.)
Charlie
Msg #12989 Dated 6:07:20 08-08-91 12829 <--> 12997
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: JUST FOR OPENERS
The obvious first thought is to produce the coins before using them.
I developed a way of producing several coins from a classic palm, one
at a time - no big deal. John Kennedy had a very interesting thought
- he admitted to having coins up his sleeve, had someone hold out their
hands, as hshook his sleeve with his opposite hand. 3-4 coins fell
into the spectators hand. It doesn't sound like much, but it worked
well for John, and he even made it a bit of a running gag.
The purse frame with no bag is probably so old it would be new again.
After all, it worked originally because it was such a great concept -
an invisible purse! Perfect! Same idea with the portable hole. The
problem with these is that they both appear a bit contrived when
introducing them into the real world. It's tough to look truly
unprepad when you 'just happen to have my portable hole with me...'.
Probably the important thing to begin with, when considering this sort
of topic, is: how many coins do you want to produce. One, or even
two, are much easier to work out than 4, with an extra coin still
hidden, for example.
Msg #12990 Dated 6:27:47 08-08-91 12703 <--> 12991
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I understand, but even within the mindless mass there are always a
few who manage to fall short of even the low group standards. If we
cannot magicalumpi them, do you have another label with which we can
tag them? In view of their often overblown egoes, I have thought we
might be able to use at least the small "i".
Msg #12991 Dated 6:28:06 08-08-91 12711 <--> 12992
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
We will probably never know! But we will also probably never forget
her.
Msg #12992 Dated 6:28:13 08-08-91 12724 <--> 12995
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Know ye not that many of the brethen have NEVER read anything 'cept
the spewings of the machine of the Xerox? But even they be better
than the great magicalumpen who have never read ANYthing. Methinks
you could become a cult in thyself with sipets of thy doings being
passed about the underground.
Hey man...you are kickin' up some interest! Enjoy!
Msg #12993 Dated 6:28:30 08-08-91 12735 <--> 13044
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
OK...I guess it was being a Trekkie that you were disavowing. I will
bet that working with Harlan was a trip. I would love to see and
hear him. He has written some good stuff!!
Msg #12995 Dated 6:28:53 08-08-91 12756 <--> 12996
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't we all? ...and again in Tarzan of the Apes.
Msg #12996 Dated 6:29:00 08-08-91 12756 <--> 13005
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Er;12757
Yes...what was the name of Dudley Moore's comedy partner? I can't
think of it...they were absolutely brilliant together. I don't think
I have ever laughted so hard and so long in my life as I did at one
of their concerts. Was it Roger Cook? Whatever became of him?
Msg #12997 Dated 6:29:14 08-08-91 12762 <--> 13001
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INFORMATION NEEDED
Yes...and one of the best is a booklet entitled "The Miser's Miracle"
if I remember correctly.
(Messages 12998 & 12999 were not public messages and do not appear).
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