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Msg #13001 Dated 8:04:37 08-08-91 -> 13025
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: JUST FOR OPENERS
They're called SPACE.'/Q{N S!
Just type a couple of spaces on a blank line. The BBS line counter sees
it and thinks that somethings there.
See! It works!
David (the other one)
Msg #13002 Dated 8:39:51 08-08-91 -> 13018
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEN BEST TRIX
I dig re: poker deal and hold close (not mike).
Msg #13003 Dated 8:39:54 08-08-91 -> 13007
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
You're right about that one, but we were talking about elementary
schoolers; the last period of impressionism before potential develops
or hopes fade. The world (of magic and otherwise) needs all the
quality help it can get.
Msg #13004 Dated 8:40:02 08-08-91 -> 13006
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
In the 1940s there was a Professional Magicians org and one of their
more noble goals was to set up a fund to help magicians in need. How
bout that?
Msg #13005 Dated 8:40:07 08-08-91 -> 13009
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
re: Printers'; I'll say one for you while I'm there.
Msg #13006 Dated 8:40:13 08-08-91 -> 13046
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
Thanks for taking the time to check it out for me, Max. There was a
lot of "feeling" going on around that time with many caring enter-
tainers getting involved with the world community. Entertainers and
especially Artists (from various media) have been bridging the
political gaps long before governments of the world had time to catch
up.
Msg #13007 Dated 8:40:20 08-08-91 -> 13017
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Through your work as Librarian you teach. I would define teaching
as _the competent and conscious passing on of knowledge_. I would
imagine that if your efforts to teach those officers were sincere
and intended to be helpful, then it would qualify, certainly.
Msg #13008 Dated 8:40:26 08-08-91 -> 13013
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Ah, yes. First, there must be love for the art; all else may follow.
Msg #13009 Dated 8:40:29 08-08-91 -> 13011
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
A hollow egg with a hole in the side in the confines of a hen's nest
can mean two things; the beginning of life or the vestage of death.
In the hands of an artist it can mean wonder (no pun intended). The
creation of such a tool can mean the same.
.
I understand of what you speak; however, in the theater, art can
be born with or without a performing artist on stage. The lights
slowly dim in the theatre as the music begins to fill the hall. The
audience settles in their seats and begins to focus their attention
on the stage as the curtain slowly begins its' ascent. Stage center
in the veil of transparant darkness is a pedastal. Two banks of ring
lights activate as the footlights come up and a cackle is heard
throughout the hall, then another, and another. She has laid an egg.
Msg #13010 Dated 8:40:43 08-08-91 -> 13026
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Burton, I would never fleece unless I had been fleeced first. I would
never cheat my friends and expect to have them as friends for very
long as life's too short and time without friendships too long. I
had some guys in Nashville I was playing poker with for three months
at least once a week and they were taking me for about 250-500 a
night. Now, I wanted to hang with them as I was relatively new in
town and a couple of the guys were in the music biz. After two
months of this I was complaining to a friend of mine - a gospel
singer named Billy Sea. Billy asked me if I could get him into the
game and they were glad to have another pigeon. To make a long story
short, Billy took everything they had; I mean EVERYTHING. I had
never seen those guys ever break a sweat and they were wilting down
to their underwear. I just played my usual game and Billy sat next
to me all prim and proper with his beautiful blond hair perfectly
styled. He never took off his coat or loosened his tie and those
other guys were half naked by the time we left.
.
After BC had cleaned them out we left and got in his car to head back
to whereever we had come from. Billy peeled off half the roll in his
had and gave it to me saying, "Tabby, don't play cards with those
boys again. They cheat!" I said, I won't Billy, I won't. And I never
did. It was at that point that I got serious about learning about
cards and dice, etc and the cheaters ways since I had been raised
to do right, just like Billy.
Msg #13011 Dated 8:41:04 08-08-91 -> 13027
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yeah, I know what you mean. The airfare for the lecturers is the
biggest expense of the weekend. It's actually cheaper to fly from
LA than it is from Buffalo. Figure that one out. I've got a travel
agent working on it trying to snag us the best prices on nonstops
coming in there. American A/L hubs outa Music City so they're about
the best bet. I know I'll see you at DMS though which is an excellent
event. You can drive over for that one.
Msg #13013 Dated 8:41:16 08-08-91 -> 13021
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I think you're right. Could mean the difference between being
perceived as a crayon scribbler or a budding Picasso. Honest
criticism is good for art, and we don't live in a vacuum.
Msg #13014 Dated 8:41:21 08-08-91 -> 13043
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS DAY 1
Thanks for the report Randy. Will be watching for tomorrow.
Msg #13017 Dated 8:50:13 08-08-91 -> 13036
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Just don't make it a McMartin... no forget I sed it...
Msg #13018 Dated 8:50:17 08-08-91 -> 13045
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TEN BEST TRIX
I have changed the handling for the Frog Prince to eliminate the
double lift from center of deck force of which I have had a hard
time perfecting... also I don't like to show a selected card still
in the deck... wheh...
Since you bring out the deck with the Curse (folded up) card anyway
I use a stack. I have the Jack on top followed by about 15 Two of
Spades and a two of Spades 2nd from bottom. You fan 'em face up
showing half the deck (concealing the force group) then force one
of the dueces, bury it... (you no longer need the overhand shuffle
to reverse the cards) and the effect is much the same... Just a
little care to keep the stock from showing.... Flows easier for
me.... DON'T MESS WITH THE TAMARIZ SWITCH... IT CANNOT BE IMPROVED.
Msg #13019 Dated 8:50:31 08-08-91 -> 13020
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Not same trophy... was 30 years ago...
You have missed some great wardrobes from hosts of seasons past!
Msg #13020 Dated 8:50:36 08-08-91 -> 13024
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I refuse to improve.
Msg #13021 Dated 8:50:40 08-08-91 -> 13023
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
BRAVO!!! T A, Message 12952 belongs painted over the dressing room
doors of all places magic is performed... It belongs in a big book,
it is the most accurate message YET here on this thing that Dave
say ain't a BBS. (I think he don't like BBS because the letters
BS are included).
Msg #13022 Dated 8:50:48 08-08-91 -> 13194
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
Edward Victor Bat trick, is the Paddle Trick with a plain wood
paddle, like a British "Cricket Bat" -- using chalk to draw lines.
Sold by Magic Inc. I learned the routine and a special handling
with surprise finish (great!) from Alan Alan, in London. It was
also at one time, sold by Harry Stanley. Never work without it.
Msg #13023 Dated 8:50:55 08-08-91 -> 13039
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
If they continue to watch magicians and become aware of what is
good and bad they will soon discover the difference and be more
critical....
Msg #13024 Dated 8:51:01 08-08-91 -> 13033
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: TRIX
Just be glad I didn't turn the electrick Wok 'ON'....
Msg #13025 Dated 8:51:05 08-08-91 -> 13035
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: JUST FOR OPENERS
You might
.
Note, that
.
there is a dot (or maybe a space bar character)
Between lines.?
Msg #13026 Dated 8:51:13 08-08-91 -> 13028
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I don't think you can fairly call card sleights as Magic. Or the
work of the monte hustler.... Just like you can't call some guy
that does great sleight of hand with cards that bores people.
That AIN'T MAGIC....
Msg #13027 Dated 8:51:20 08-08-91 -> 13029
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
If you win the Lotto, I can get you a great trip for you (and a
few of our close friends) to the Japan FISM....
Msg #13028 Dated 8:51:25 08-08-91 -> 13058
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
The state of the art can be as wonderful as you would like it to
be... T A and others have said, "Perception is everything" or sumpin
like that... so work on the perception...??? No I wuz not shouting,
just yelling slightly.... argh?
Msg #13029 Dated 8:51:31 08-08-91 -> 13038
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Peter Cook and Dudley Moore. Saw them in London doing "Behind the
Fridge" a takeoff on "Beyond the Fringe". Got to go to airport by.
Msg #13031 Dated 9:49:12 08-08-91 -> 13032
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MYTHS & THE LAWS OF MAGIC
Delphi's New Age Network at 10pm tonight is having a conference on
Myths and The Laws of Magic just in case anybodys interested.
Msg #13032 Dated 10:08:03 08-08-91 13031 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MYTHS & THE LAWS OF MAGIC
That's 10pm EST.
Msg #13033 Dated 10:17:19 08-08-91 13019 <--> 13034
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Yes, and there was also a time when there were no dress regs at the
Castle. Speaking of which - I haven't been there in a few weeks - is
the nude pig still standing in the birdbath?
Msg #13034 Dated 10:19:26 08-08-91 13020 <--> 13057
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Great - 'cause we like you just the way you are. Argh! and all. But
the bad mood is disposable.
Msg #13035 Dated 10:21:59 08-08-91 13001 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: JUST FOR OPENERS
If you are not using RDMAGIC you can set your communications program to
expand blank lines, if it has such a feature, in ASCII uploads. Some
word processors will leave spaces on blank lines in pre-prepared
messages, some won't. I am not sure if RDMAGIC will retain leading
spaces on "blank" lines - will have to check. Otherwise, it is fully
acceptable to place a period or colon at the front of a blank line.
Since MAGIC! reads a truly blank line as the end of a
message, the line has to have something on it.
When sending a file such as RDMAGIC creates, the "expand blank lines"
feature of a communications program MUST be turned OFF, otherwise the
various messages will all become one big message.
Msg #13036 Dated 10:29:21 08-08-91 -> 13037
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: LAWYERS
The Suzuki method is very interesting. Most pre-school teachers use
the Excedrin method - they take two every couple of hours.
Msg #13038 Dated 10:46:30 08-08-91 13011 <--> 13047
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Have you contacted either the "group desk" or the "convention desk" at
American? You might be able to swing a group airfare that would offer
about 5% off of the lowest fares and about _50%_ off of the regular
fares.
Msg #13039 Dated 10:52:42 08-08-91 -> 13040
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Very well put, Jerry.
Msg #13040 Dated 10:55:31 08-08-91 -> 13041
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I think I see what you are trying to say and why you are saying it.
And there is, no doubt, room for negative comments that are appropriate
in context, as you indicated.
But I think that the majority of negative comments are not made for the
positive reasons that you suggest. Rather, they are manufactured from
the commentor's own ego. A change for a fragile personality to "show
off" in a manner that he or she thinks is sagacious.
Msg #13041 Dated 11:05:19 08-08-91 13023 <--> 13054
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Still, there is a difference between making a comment which DOES help
raise their perception of magic (and such a comment can be negative)
and one which is said merely to show off one's own superiority. Most
often, when I hear a magician (or, sometimes, a member of the
magicalumpen) commenting in a negative manner it is only a feeble
attempt to elevate his own status with laypersons, not to guide or
inform them.
Msg #13043 Dated 11:14:33 08-08-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS DAY 1
WOW!, Randy - KNOCKOUT coverage of the first day! Talk about
tell-it-like-it-is (was)! Will be forwarding your report to MAGIC-NL
while it is still hot! Keep us informed!
Msg #13044 Dated 11:20:40 08-08-91 -> 13083
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I haven't seen him in a long time, but Harlan is indeed a very
interesting guy. He can be very abrasive in public, and can do "bits"
that would rival any of the bits that magi soemtimes do. For example,
at the time, he was dating a skinny, frail looking blonde (I've
forgotten her name, so, for convenience, I'll call her Marilyn - I
think she later became one of his wives, but not sure). Also, before
I go on with the story, I should point out that Harlan, for those who
don't know, is VERY short - he says he's 5'2", but my wife is 5'2" and
she can see over him.
Anyway, he and Marilyn were at dinner with a group of about 6 people.
The next table consisted of a group of drunken guys all basically the
size of Green Bay Packers. They were rowdy, etc. Finally, Harlan gets
up, goes over, and says something to the ringleader. The group gets
very quiet and quickly leaves. Everyone looked at Harlan with awe and
someone said, "What did you do?" "Simple," Harlan said, "I told 'em
that Marilyn was dying of leukemia, that this was her last night out
before she went into the hospital for the final time and that they were
disturbing her dinner."
Msg #13045 Dated 11:32:54 08-08-91 13018 <--> 13084
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEN BEST TRIX
Thanks! I'll check your changes out later. I'm still playin' around
with the green frog - want to do something with that, but obviously it
can't be done directly as a part of the existing frog switch. Have to
do soemthing else with it.
Msg #13046 Dated 11:35:15 08-08-91 13004 <--> 13063
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
I agree there are magicians in need - both on a day-to-day basis,
emergencies and so forth, and on a long term basis. And I did think of
that, but I don't think it is a cause which will motivate the public.
It is one to work on among ourselves.
I've recently heard of a mage who is now living in a low rent complex
for the elderly. Don't know him yet but am told he did a good show
recently for the residents and that he is still working when and where
he can. Trying to find out more.
Msg #13047 Dated 12:36:58 08-08-91 -> 13048
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
MIGHT have been part of the "tag" -- a one to three minute segment
between the end of the show and the credits -- might NOT. But the tag
is definitely part of the show.
Msg #13048 Dated 12:37:45 08-08-91 -> 13049
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Not sure, to tell you the truth. I THINK it's on at 8pm, will go
downstairs and check guide later. This is the second recent run. A
few months ago, they re-ran ALL the episodes -- including three seasons
with Honor Blackman as Steed's partner, which had never been shown in
this country before. They did them a little out of order, putting them
in order or popularity, rather than chronolgy, running the color Mrs.
Peel's first, then the BW Mrs. Peels, then the Tara King year, then the
old BW Blackman...
Msg #13049 Dated 12:39:48 08-08-91 -> 13050
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Ever hear of what I speak. This was in the mid 70's, and I'll ask my
Dad who the author was. Great book for a kid.
Msg #13050 Dated 12:41:22 08-08-91 -> 13051
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Perhaps people want to laugh more these days. Hour drama is all but
dead in television right now. But it's cyclical.
Msg #13051 Dated 12:44:33 08-08-91 -> 13052
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Seems to me the magicalumpen have been defined not as people who don't
read anything, necessarily, but sometimes as people who ready
everything, but don't do anything. Perhaps a redefining is in order.
Msg #13052 Dated 12:45:17 08-08-91 -> 13053
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Peter Cook. I THINK he's still around.
Msg #13053 Dated 12:46:17 08-08-91 13029 <--> 13059
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
What was "Beyonf the Fringe?" Refresh, por favor.
Msg #13054 Dated 12:46:56 08-08-91 -> 13055
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
The too-free use of the word "Magicalumpen" is not self-hate. It is
used to create and delineate hiearchy. No one's called themselves
one, that would be self-hate, in much the same way that a self-hating
Jew hates those things Jewish about him. People just call other people
the word.
Msg #13055 Dated 12:49:34 08-08-91 -> 13066
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Eliminate all self-degradation in the individual, and you eliminate
guilt and other societal protections. Self--study is essential. It's
opposite is called, or WAS called, rather, "EST.":
Msg #13056 Dated 12:53:25 08-08-91 -> 13067
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
wDid you attempt mouth-to-gill resucitation?
Msg #13057 Dated 12:57:59 08-08-91 -> 13072
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
To be honest, this proach doenot sound like it would work TOO well with
women today.And, it shouldn't!
Msg #13058 Dated 13:21:14 08-08-91 -> 13214
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Funny!
Msg #13059 Dated 13:21:46 08-08-91 -> 13062
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I concur.
Msg #13060 Dated 13:21:53 08-08-91 -> 13201
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLAYTON RAWSON
I figure you'd definitely be one to remember the Clayton Rawson novels.
I read them just recently (paperback reissues), and loved them,
mostly. A few were made into films, do you remember which? I also
seem to remember Rawson was the author of a book I used to own as a
kid, "How to Entertain Children with Magic You can Do." The title was
so unwiledy that is has stuck with me all these years.
Msg #13062 Dated 13:25:07 08-08-91 13038 <--> 13064
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No, I haven't tried the group desk, but I will thanks.
Msg #13063 Dated 13:25:11 08-08-91 13046 <--> 13068
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
Dangling at the end of a string held by the _public_ is something I
have experienced, and for some time I danced the jerky dance of a
puppet while my heart and soul cried unnoticed from the balcony. If
the burning of trees in S. America or the impending extinction of man
itself won't motivate them to action; pray tell what cause do you
suggest to initiate public motivity?
Msg #13064 Dated 13:24:55 08-08-91 13047 <--> 13065
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
The tag is indeed part of the show, but it might not have been part of
the context. Anyway, thanks for the info.
Msg #13065 Dated 13:27:09 08-08-91 13062 <--> 13069
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK, let me know if they come up with anything. Why not offer them
in-flight magi in exchange for tickets? Only one quarter serious --
but I think Virgin Atlantic has on-board magi. And the new local train
from L.A. to Long Beach, the "Blue Line," has variety shows in transit.
Msg #13066 Dated 13:29:30 08-08-91 13054 <--> 13131
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
In discussing the magicalumpen term and self-hate in the same paragraph
I was referring to two different things. Guess I was hasty and should
have used two paragraphs.
By the way, in my original post I believe I referred to
self-denigration. I think it was _you_ who introduced "self-hate."
Msg #13067 Dated 13:32:59 08-08-91 13056 <--> 13143
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
Somehow I _knew_ you were going to suggest that! (And, you might note,
I left you the opportunity to do so). It was too late when I arrived
on the scene - his body temperature was already way below 98.6.
Lest we forget, the main purpose of mentioning the whole affair on
here was only to point out that it is NOT a good idea to giveaway
livestock during a performance. In addition to killing off most of the
livestock, it causes much annoyance and expense to the family. Doing
so is very likely NOT to get you a future booking.
Msg #13068 Dated 13:39:07 08-08-91 13063 <--> 13077
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
Don't know - I am fresh out of causes. But I never fail to be
impressed by your prose.
Msg #13069 Dated 15:06:48 08-08-91 -> 13070
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Peter Cook. He was one of the original cast of BEYOND THE FRINGE along
with Dudley and others. They later teamed as a duo, recreating and
improving upon their old routines along with the addition of new ones
for a GOOD EVENING. Peter got roped into doing a horrible sitcom
several years ago. Last I heard, he went back to the U.K.
'W.
Msg #13070 Dated 15:09:54 08-08-91 13005 <--> 13085
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Cheers!
'W.
Msg #13072 Dated 15:12:00 08-08-91 -> 13073
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
McDonalds has a McMaitre d'... he doesn't have to read....just learn to
say "You want fries with that?"
'W.
Msg #13073 Dated 15:13:12 08-08-91 13072 <--> 13074
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TRIX
No, McDonalds has a Maitre Mc'd. Also serves as the McSommelier in
spare time -- yes, there ARE McDonalds resturants, part of THE
McDonalds, that serve wine.
Msg #13074 Dated 15:27:03 08-08-91 13073 <--> 13079
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Yes, but nothing without a screw cap.
The only vintage information you'll find on wine at McDonald's is the
day of the week!
'W.
Msg #13077 Dated 16:00:27 08-08-91 13068 <--> 13152
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
Yeah, me too. I mostly do things now _just 'cause_. After Sting got
stung on the rain forest swindle I'm somewhat disillusioned, though
not really urprised. The kid we raised the $$ for the operation had
some problems after the folks running the fund showed up with three
new Mercedes sedans and a new office building, but the courts took
care of it thankfully.
Msg #13079 Dated 16:00:44 08-08-91 13074 <--> 13080
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Reminds me of the line...."I have underwear older than that!"
Msg #13080 Dated 16:36:46 08-08-91 13033 <--> 13081
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
You ask me? I live 500 miles away. I do know that Bill Larsen "likes"
it...
Msg #13081 Dated 16:36:52 08-08-91 13034 <--> 13087
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
My mood will never change.
Msg #13083 Dated 16:37:02 08-08-91 13044 <--> 13093
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
You mention "harlan" is this also Torchy Towner?
Msg #13084 Dated 16:37:06 08-08-91 13045 <--> 13094
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TEN BEST TRIX
SURE DUMMMY... FOLD IT INSIDE OUT.... the back changes color!!!
Msg #13085 Dated 16:37:10 08-08-91 13053 <--> 13086
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I didn't see it, but Beyond the Fringe was a play... and if Behind
the Fridge was a take off, thenit must have been very funny!
When Behind the Fridge left the UK and came to the US they changed
the name to something I don't recall....
Msg #13086 Dated 16:37:18 08-08-91 13069 <--> 13125
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
GOOD EVENING was called Behind the Fridge in the UK. Great show.
Great second act opening bit...
Cook was onstage and after several solo minutes said, "You are
probably wondering where Dudley is..." Just then a trapdoor in
the stage opened and Dudley came flying UP OUT OF THE BASEMENT,
the door closed, he landed on it... next to Peter and calmly said,
"Here I am!"
At a party a couple of years later I asked Dudley if that was
there (the trap) and if they wrote the gag to take advanatage of
the existing trap. He said, "NO WE WROTE THE GAG and had the trap
built everywhere we worked."
Msg #13087 Dated 16:37:32 08-08-91 13072 <--> 13089
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Ithought it was "You want lids fer yer soda?"
Msg #13089 Dated 16:51:17 08-08-91 13080 <--> 13090
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I was actually asking the question generically - to the membership at
large. Yeah, I know that Bill and Milt seem to like the SuperPig. Why
doesn't he take it home to Brookledge?
Hear a rumor today - don't know if it is true or false - both Secretary
of State Baker and President Bush do tricks. Bush mostly for his
grandchildren. Heard that he sends Secret Service agents to Al's Magic
Shop to buy stuff. Then the agents have to learn the tricks and teach
'em to him. Source, who shall remain nameless, said, "White House is
full of guys who are into magic."
Msg #13090 Dated 16:57:32 08-08-91 13081 <--> 13100
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Could your bad mood have been caused by the SEVEN HOURS of packet
tricks you were subjected to? Oh! Wait a minute -- it was the other
way around, wasn't it?
Msg #13093 Dated 17:03:54 08-08-91 13083 <--> 13166
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Don't believe that Harlan Ellison is Torchy Towner -- but anything is
possible!
Msg #13094 Dated 17:04:34 08-08-91 13084 <--> 13167
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEN BEST TRIX
Thanks for the suggestion -- will work on reverse fold. Nice attitude
you've got lately -- you taken' "crummy lessons?"
Msg #13096 Dated 17:27:26 08-08-91 -> 13102
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Nice review of THE T. A. WATERS VIDEO in the August, 1991, Linking
Ring. It is available from T. A. Waters, 1801 Grace Ave., #72,
Hollywood, Ca. 90028 for $35 + $3 postage and handling in the U.S.
Msg #13097 Dated 17:30:08 08-08-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: WONDER BRUNCH SCHEDULE
A couple of people seem to have missed seeing the schedule for the
TOMMY WONDER BRUNCH, so here it is again:
SCHEDULE --- SCHEDULE --- SCHEDULE --- SCHEDULE --- SCHEDULE
*****************************************
***** BRUNCH WITH TOMMY WONDER! *****
***** A SPECIAL WORLD CLASS MAGIC! EVENT *****
***** SUNDAY, AUGUST 11TH, 1991 *****
*****************************************
HERE IS THE SCHEDULE FOR THE TOMMY WONDER BRUNCH
We will meet at the Magic Castle at NOON on Sunday, August 11th.
The reservation is in my name (too many magics down there): David
Lichtman. From noon to 1:30 we will have exclusive use of the
Pub area downstairs for our get-together. Brunch itself will
begin promptly at 1:30 in the dining room (we are scheduled for
the Cherub Room).
Non-members just need to tell the doorkeepers that they are with
our group. Dress is casual, but, as many people are nicely dressed
at the Sunday Brunch, you will probably want to avoid torn T-shirts,
etc. Those of you who have MAGIC! buttons should wear them (ALONG
with your clothes, not in lieu of them).
Let's welcome TOMMY WONDER to Los Angeles in true MAGIC! style!
***************
Remember -- if you do not already have a reservation for this event,
you are not able to attend.
Msg #13100 Dated 17:48:32 08-08-91 13089 <--> 13117
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
The Prez (Bush, that is) being into magic is old news here in DC.
Msg #13102 Dated 17:48:40 08-08-91 13096 <--> 13119
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Cheeeze, I can't believe you get the LR on the left shelf before we
do here in Charlotte Hall. I can understand your getting Genii first.
That's good news about TA's video. I think I'll order a copy right
now before I forget about it. Writing envelope now.
Msg #13103 Dated 18:29:10 08-08-91 -> 13104
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
I only downloaded PCX2IF.LHW, and it works great! I probably won't
download the other one. I tested it with slydini.pcx. Using various
public domain programs, I created a slydini disk icon! Now when I click
on slydini, my MAGIC disk pops up!
Msg #13104 Dated 18:31:34 08-08-91 -> 13120
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
As of September 2nd, the east bay phone number with a 415 prefix will
be changed to 510. Except for changing the number on your buisness
cards, you really don't have to do anything. Apparently, the phone
company stated that unless a new are code was created, they would run
out of phone numbers by spring 1992. It is true. I've been visiting
various printers as part of my job, and they all seem to be busy
generating new business cards beacuse of the change. I think ARGH!
might be appropriate for this situation...
Maybe even AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!
Msg #13106 Dated 18:55:05 08-08-91 -> 13112
From: SCOTT WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOUR WHEREABOUTS
Walter Blaney asked me today where he could reach you. I said, of
course, that if he would get on line he could get you here.
Unfortunately, he will have to rely on the old postman or the telephone
lines. Accordingly, he would like to have your current telephone
number and mailing address. You can leave it for me here and I'll pass
it on to him. Thanks.
Oh, by the way, Scott Hollingsworth is trying to get hold of Valentino
IMMEDIATELY regarding his engagement here at the Magic Island in
November. Any help on getting his number and/or address would be
greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the tip on PKUNZIP.
Msg #13107 Dated 19:01:25 08-08-91
From: SCOTT WELLS
To: ALL
Re: VALENTINO
Scott Hollingsworth is trying to get hold of Valentino regarding an
engagement here at Houston's Magic Island in November. Any help in
getting his phone number or current mailing address IMMEDIATELY would
be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Msg #13108 Dated 19:10:23 08-08-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MASSEY CARDDAGGER
Does anyone know anything about the Edward M. Massey CARDDAGGER
as advertised in the Sphinx magazine in the late 1940s.
Msg #13112 Dated 19:41:23 08-08-91 13106 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SCOTT WELLS (X)
Re: YOUR WHEREABOUTS
Hey Scott,
Tell Walter hello and P.O. Box 590, Charlotte Hall, MD 20622
(301)-884-8484 and fax (301) 884-0308. I think I'll give him a
call right now and see what's up.
Msg #13113 Dated 19:41:29 08-08-91 -> 13122
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MAGICIAN SAVES HUNDREDS
Ee;13107
The Right Stuff......
Entertainer a hero, while capt abandons ship....
Robin Boltman, magician and comedian on the Oceanos manned the
radio and directed rescue operations from the Captains bridge after
the Greek Capt abandoned ship. Boltman behaved like a hero in face
of crisis.
Excerpted from Houston Chronicle today Aug 8, 1991.
.
Walter Blaney just relayed this information to me a few minutes ago
via landline. Walter has gotten in touch with his pals at the Tonight
Show and has reccomended they book Boltman for a show. Only problem
is nobody knows him so Walter asked me to see if we (MAGIC!) could
get some information for them and help a fellow magician out with
his career. ROBIN BOLTMAN....anybody know him???
Msg #13114 Dated 19:41:42 08-08-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
Re: ZANEY SAYS THANK YOU
Ee;13107
Arnaud:
Walter "Zaney" Blaney from Houston, Texas asked me to relay his thank
you for the great FISM reports you put on the system during the
FISM this year. Walter got to read the stuff courtesy Scott Wells of
Houston.
tabman
Msg #13117 Dated 20:02:01 08-08-91 13100 <--> 13144
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
I'd heard about the possibility of Bush being into magic before, but
this wuz more detail than I'd heard previously. If I knew his fax
number, I'd send him the instructions for singing on to MAGIC!
Msg #13119 Dated 20:05:09 08-08-91 13102 <--> 13202
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Maybe they mail 'em in reverse alphabetical order. Ask Wayne when he
got his.
Msg #13120 Dated 20:06:00 08-08-91 13103 <--> 13168
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
Glad to hear that PCX2IF.LHZ works good. The other program is
supposedly more elaborate - does other conversions as well. The idea
of a Slydini disk icon is terrific! If you ever feel like changing it,
there are pictures of Pete Biro, Tabby Crabb, myself, and others on
here too! Oh, yeah! One of Jade! Some people would go ape for a Jade
icon for MAGIC!
Msg #13122 Dated 20:14:21 08-08-91 13113 <--> 13178
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGICIAN SAVES HUNDREDS
What a story, Tabman! Great info. I don't know Robin Boltman, but
maybe someone else can help.
Msg #13123 Dated 20:17:35 08-08-91 -> 13124
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: "STAMP"
Very nice personal chop on the back of your envelope. Not a bad set of
labels on the front either!
Msg #13124 Dated 20:29:42 08-08-91 13123 <--> 13135
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "STAMP"
The labels were done on using the Avery program; the icon, of course,
is thanks to your scanner. As for the sticker on the flap side, forgive
me but it is not a "chop" -- that term [A] refers to a carved unit used
for stamping one's name with an ink impression, and [B] usually
connotes one from China. The Japanese equivalent is called a "hanko" or
"inkan." The sticker is printed from a hand-calligraphed original which
uses a fluid lettering style which has a quality similar (in terms of
viewer response, not physical design) to Old English. There is a proper
name for this type of sticker, but it escapes me at the moment.
Mind you, I do own several inkans, and also a Chinese chop.
By the way, you might be interested to know that every adult Japanese
has at least one inkan registered with the government. It is used as a
personal stamp in the same way we use signatures. On domestic contracts
signatures are almost never used; the imprint of a registered inkan is,
however, legally binding.
Msg #13125 Dated 20:57:30 08-08-91 -> 13126
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Pete Biro left the same message. Thanks for getting me up to snuff!
Artiste, eh? How very continental of you!
Msg #13126 Dated 21:10:56 08-08-91 -> 13138
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Peter Cook. He still writes.
Msg #13127 Dated 21:15:04 08-08-91 13003 <--> 13165
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LAWYERS
You can say that again! The ever-increasing lack of quality in the
world is quite frightening. Steve Allen wrote an interesting book on
the subject - _Dumbth_. Worth a quick read. Makes some valid points.
Msg #13128 Dated 21:19:39 08-08-91 -> 13136
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: LAS VEGAS
I'll be in Las Vegas on Sat Aug. 24.
Who is playing where. Especially Cros,Skinne, Grippo
What roolms in what hotels,best time and how much?
Msg #13130 Dated 21:38:31 08-08-91
From: MARK LODGE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WONDER BRUNCH
I did not see this message when I sent you the last one.... SO.... I
will have the Pub ready for you. See you Sun.
Msg #13131 Dated 21:36:11 08-08-91 -> 13140
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
You know, I'm really glad you mentioned (msg 12980) people enjoying
magic at whatever level they're capable of. I've been feeling just a
tad intimidated here, surrounded by creme de la creme, when in fact I'm
not much better than an absolute beginner right now. I do truly love
magic, but my _performances_ are certainly not audience-ready. My major
stress right now is that I'm planning on auditioning for the Castle
next month, not to perform, just for membership, & I'm scared stiff the
audition is going to float like a lead balloon! But I can't think of
any hobby I've enjoyed quite so much or that has brought me into
contact with such a great group of people. Take it easy on us amateurs,
guys - most of us are really trying.
Msg #13132 Dated 21:41:50 08-08-91
From: MARK LODGE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELPA
If it is not too late, try looking him up in the telephone book or
calling information. He is listed. Also, you can call the Magic Castle
and ask Susanne. Good Luck.
Msg #13133 Dated 21:51:49 08-08-91 -> 13238
From: MARK LODGE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COP ON ARSENIO
I am answering your message two days later, however I think it is
relevent. A guy I work with was quizing me on magic procedure. He was
getting fed up with the "he does it very well" answer. He was trying to
find out how a magician got a full grown rabbit out of a flattened top
hat. I changed the subject to the copperfield effect and got a big
suprise.... this guy told me how it was done, and he was not too far
off !!! I consider television magic a waste of good programming time,
for the most part. Too much of the performers "charactor" and humor or
class is lost. (Except for Penn and Teller who have an incredible
ammount of humor and no class). The point is I am preplexed (spelling?)
by the continued popularity of TV magic and distressed that all and I
mean ALL magicians are measured against this "standard". Thanks for
listening to my ranting and raging about a topic too close to my heart
Mark.
Msg #13135 Dated 21:59:41 08-08-91 13124 <--> 13145
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: "STAMP"
I found it interesting that you chose the icon which had you looking
off the end of the envelope rather than the one that had you looking
toward the return address.
I believe that the actual derivation of the word "chop" is Hindi, from
the word chap (with a straight line over the "a" that the IBM character
set does not include). The Hindi word means "stamp," the actual title
of the topic I selected for the message. "Chop" includes both the tool
you describe and the impression it makes.
I found your information on inkans most interesting and I appreciate
your posting it. I did call one of my Japanese friends to ask for the
proper term for the article on the back of your envelope and she told
me that the Japanese word for it was _stamp_. She said it was derived
from the English term.
Msg #13136 Dated 22:10:19 08-08-91 13128 <--> 13147
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Don't know about the others, but think Jimmy is still working at
Caesar's - don't know what nights. Skinner may be at the Golden
Nugget. Maybe someone else can be of more help.
Msg #13138 Dated 22:25:19 08-08-91 13064 <--> 13141
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Probably next to impossible to locate tapes, and/or view the show at
this point, outside of a fan having taped it at the time -- but I takes
that back -- back then people didn't have VCR's, did they.
Msg #13140 Dated 22:28:37 08-08-91 13066 <--> 13142
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
While I don't remember, that I introduced "self-hate" into the
discussion strikes me as extremely possible.
Msg #13141 Dated 22:28:22 08-08-91 13138 <--> 13158
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Some people had VCR's but they were generally richer than the folks I
hang around with. 23 years ago we were going to video tape our
wedding, but it would have been done on 2" tape, required an 18-wheeler
parked outside, and cost a few thousand bucks! Maybe someone will get
around to airing The Magician someday, or will pedal it on tape.
Msg #13142 Dated 22:30:29 08-08-91 13140 <--> 13149
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Yep, you did introduce "self-hate" to the topic, but that's OK, I can
relate.
Msg #13143 Dated 22:30:28 08-08-91 13067 <--> 13157
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
My computer made actual grunting and straining noises when I read
#13067 -- it must have been responding to the inhuman effort you used
to bring the thread back to the topic of magic.
Msg #13144 Dated 22:32:23 08-08-91 13089 <--> 13150
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Interesting rumor! Don't know whether to be happy or sad at the
possibility Bush might do magic, though.
Msg #13145 Dated 22:36:43 08-08-91 13135 <--> 13170
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: "STAMP"
The use the imprints _instead_ of signatures, or in conjunction with?
Msg #13147 Dated 23:11:24 08-08-91 13128 <--> 13172
From: STAN LAKE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
According to the latest and last issue of Inside Magic, at the Aladdin
is Kirby VanBurch, "Alakazam". Bally's - Bob Arno, "Jubilee". Caesars
Palace still has Jimmy Grippo. The Excalibur - Kevin Barnes, Joe
White, Tim St. John, Phyllis Guggenheim. Flamingo Hilto- Joseph "City
Lites". Golden Nugget- Mike Skinner, Stephano's and Elaine's
Restaurants. Hacienda- Lance Burton. Mirage Siegfried & Roy, but they
are dark August 22-27. Riviera- Shimada, "Splash". Sahara- Melinda.
Sands - Valentino, "Viva Las Vegas".
Msg #13148 Dated 23:24:15 08-08-91 -> 13173
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
A few days ago a posted a bit of a gag effect about the new hundred
dollar bills the treasury is printing with the multicolored synthetic
thread. I thought it might be funny to pull at an imaginary bit of
that thread that seemed to be coming loose and unravel one of those 25
foot multicolored coils from behind it. In my mind it still seems
funny but I noticed a deafening roar of silence in response to it from
all of you. Should I take that to mean try something els I haven't
tried it on an audience as yet - do you think I should? What the heck,
the next time I'm in a bank I'll do it to a teller and let you know
what happens!
Msg #13149 Dated 23:45:17 08-08-91 -> 13154
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I understand what you mean. In cases like that I usually keep
myself in the dark, and encourage people to talk about it. Why
they thought it was great etc. Usually I agree just mildly by saying
something about the positive aspects. I think if someone thinks
something is great, who am I to say that they should not have
liked it. Negative comments can easily be misunderstood as may be
sour grapes (and sometimes that might actually be the case!).
But there is nothing against it to tell people also about other
performers, and what great things these other performers do. This
is usually easy, since the subject is magic. Outsiders cannot do
much with negative remarks anyway. If they feel a mediocre act was
great, that means they are not all that conversant with magic
anyhow. So to discuss the problems of magic, or the qualities of
magic, being good or bad, is pretty senseless. But sometimes one
can tell them a little bit about the great things going on,
without the need to downgrade the less good magic.
Msg #13150 Dated 23:45:27 08-08-91 13090 <--> 13153
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I think that my packet tricks have actuallay kept his bad mood off
for some days. He was overjoyed evry time I started a new one. He
could not believe it. Remarks like;"Oh no, not another
one!" clearly shows his disbelief that he was in for yet another
great treat of dutch packet magic.
Msg #13152 Dated 23:50:14 08-08-91 13077 <--> 13928
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
What kind of operation was needed? And what manner of torture was
inflicted on said Mercedes owners?
Msg #13153 Dated 23:49:58 08-08-91 13079 <--> 13156
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
I should hope so. When I comes to the wine at McDonald's...the
so-called ground beef in the burgers is older!!!
'W.
Msg #13154 Dated 23:50:50 08-08-91 13131 <--> 13171
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I, too, would like to log my appreciation of your humanizing statement.
It is the opposite of elitism, and enoucrages open, good feelings,
rather
than the opposite.
Msg #13156 Dated 23:51:49 08-08-91 13087 <--> 13159
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
It should be, "You want Alka-Seltzer for your stomach-ache?"
'W.
Msg #13157 Dated 23:53:03 08-08-91 13143 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: KID SHOW KILLER
Yes, I felt the thread belonged back on magic!
Msg #13158 Dated 23:53:57 08-08-91 13085 <--> 13162
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It was called GOOD EVENING.
'W.
Msg #13159 Dated 23:53:35 08-08-91 13144 <--> 13160
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
Well, it is nice to know that he (Bush) has a prospect for a career
following leaving office. Might be fun to see him at a magic
convention, or here on MAGIC!
Msg #13160 Dated 23:54:49 08-08-91 13150 <--> 13161
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
Something tells me that if you did it, he, and a LOT of other people,
would enjoy watching it. There is no lecture scheduled on Sunday, so
after lunch we can get together downstairs again and see ALL of the
packet tricks! I've made sure to ask the other guys to bring some as
well...
Msg #13161 Dated 23:58:46 08-08-91 13159 <--> 13163
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Gee, Bush and Schwarzkopf replacing Siegfried and Roy... what a thot.
Msg #13162 Dated 23:59:45 08-08-91 13158 <--> 13174
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Good evening it was!
Msg #13163 Dated 0:00:06 08-09-91 13089 <--> 13164
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Ask Wells who screwed up his favorite Chinese Restaurant by
showing up alla time....? With the SS enterouge.... argh..
Msg #13164 Dated 0:00:11 08-09-91 13090 <--> 13169
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
No and don't try to kiss up.... arrrggghhhh
Msg #13166 Dated 0:00:19 08-09-91 13093 <--> 13188
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
You areright... you didnd't have thelast nme (sorry twodouble
Chivas rox makesit hard to hetspace bar...key...argh...justcame
backfrom visitn lance burton backstage..killershow...greatguy..
Msg #13167 Dated 0:00:25 08-09-91 13094 <--> 13189
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TEN BEST TRIX
Don't need lessons... I justam krummy...
Msg #13168 Dated 0:00:29 08-09-91 13104 <--> 14089
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
I just had new cards prnted with theold number. tufff,letem
callinfo.... arghereujglkejroeagflj
Msg #13169 Dated 0:00:34 08-09-91 13117 <--> 13180
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I knew it... I was sure Isaw a thumbtip during his last speech in
the rosegareden... hic
Msg #13170 Dated 0:00:40 08-09-91 13124 <--> 13181
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: "STAMP"
I don't know if my INKAN is registered... but I never new the name
of it before... thanks.
.
Just came back from visiting Lance., Caveney, Bill Smith and of
all people Michael Darrin were in tonight... Great stuff, full
house!!!! Which was what I was worried about.... They seem to
be trying to Clean Up the place,lots of remodeling going on.
.
Best thing about Lance's show was HIS ATTITUDE ... he was really
having lots of fun onstage and the audience felt it....
.
High marks!!!!
Msg #13171 Dated 0:00:54 08-09-91 13131 <--> 13177
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Don't be worried or nervous about the Castle audition. What doyou
think someone might do... pull a gun and shoot you?
.
Do ONLY what you are 100-percent sure of. Don't try any risk stuff.
Just be yourself. You can't miss with your attitude.
Msg #13172 Dated 0:01:02 08-09-91 13136 <--> 13191
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Daniel used to work the bar atthe Desert Inn, but I undertand is
really only doing parties now.
Tonight Lance Burton, David Copperfield, Melinda, Kirby von Burch,
Joseph and more are all onstage... Shimada mightstillbe in splash.
Msg #13173 Dated 0:01:09 08-09-91 13148 <--> 13175
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Try being more subtle and use a roll of Mint Green dental floss.
Problem might be that hardly anyone knows about the strip.
British paper money has a little metal strip inside it. I think it
was Eric Lewis that did a line about it when he burned same...and
it didn't get much notice! I think it might be a "who cares"...
but, but... IF YOU PRESENT IT RIGHT and it ENTERTAINS... what more
could one ask for?
Msg #13174 Dated 23:55:14 08-08-91 13086 <--> 13195
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I used to do Peter's monologue about the coal miner. I believe it was
called On The Park Bench. Great stuff. I did it not too long ago at
a Comedy Luncheon. Many years ago, I interviewed Peter and Dudley from
their dressing room via remote on my radio show in St. Louis. I almost
got thrown off the air because of their insanity....it was great.
A few years later, around 1978, when I was performing in an improv
comedy show with Robin Williams here in L.A., Dudley was a frequent
audience member....and very supportive...a really nice guy, aside from
being hilarious!
I'm sure everyone knows their bizarre comedy work under the name of
Derek and Clive. Outrageous!
'W.
Msg #13175 Dated 23:56:52 08-08-91 13148 <--> 13237
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I didn't reply because it brought another effect to mind and I was
waiting to see if someone else would mention it. There are small red
and blue threads in all existing currency and there is a bit, using red
and blue silks, in which you extract the threads. I felt yours was
different and also interesting, but I didn't want to be the first to
comment because I couldn't (and still can't) remember the name of the
other effect and the creator.
You could do yours with the same method that the other one is done,
using a thumbtip and some small thumbtip coils. Funny idea would be to
do it on stage and produce either very long silks or coils from inside
your jacket (concealled by the bill) - using this method, the resulting
material could be very, very large indeed, could end in jumbo coins
(the real value once the thread is removed?), etc. Maybe a bill switch
to a smaller size bill?
I really DID enjoy reading your original post and I liked the idea.
Just was hoping someone would cite the other effect before I commented.
Msg #13177 Dated 0:04:32 08-09-91 13149 <--> 13197
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I agree with what you are saying. But I don't think that most people
handle it with as much consideration. They just barge in and put down
the show so that their friends will see how knoledgeable they are. Of
course, their friends think they are fools when they do this, but the
boors don't notice.
I just get tired of hearing a lot of negative comments. I'm no
dreamer, no Polyanna, but, as you have suggested, I think there is a
great deal of GOOD comment that can be made.
Msg #13178 Dated 0:09:37 08-09-91 13113 <--> 13240
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGICIAN SAVES HUNDREDS
Never heard of him...but I hope that will change very soon.
If the story is true, THAT'S the kind of guy who should have his
picture on the cover of Linking Ring!
'W.
Msg #13180 Dated 0:12:07 08-09-91 13161 <--> 13184
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Yep! Rumor further had it that they (Bush & Schwarzkopf) have spent an
evening or two in the past doing effects for each other, but I didn't
quote it because it sounded more like tenuous speculation. However,
Schwartzkopf is already retired, and Bush should be out in 1998 or so,
so you might consider the team for Desert Magic in about 1999.
Msg #13181 Dated 0:10:52 08-09-91 13135 <--> 13182
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "STAMP"
Indeed, the etymology of "chop" is as you say; according to my
dictionary it is properly applied to Indian and Chinese name-stamps.
The comment by your Japanese friend is amusing; I'm willing to bet she
is under thirty. There is indeed a native name for those stickers, and
at some point I'll take the effort to look it up. I recall it contains
the word "man" (10,000) within it, referring to the fact that they're
all over the place.
As your friend indicates, there is an extensive vocabulary of loan
words in modern Japanese, drawn from other languages. In recent times
English is the most frequent source, but there are others from German,
French, Dutch, and Portuguese. These are not always easy to recognize;
not only does the pronunciation become altered to fit the Japanese
syllablary, often the meaning mutates, as well.
A few years ago I was having dinner in Tokyo, and the topic moved to
this subject. I made a bet with one of the people I was with, that we
would continue our conversation (which was in Japanese), and that _he_
would be unable to avoid using a loanword before I did. He lost the
bet within about two minutes.
Msg #13182 Dated 0:17:46 08-09-91 13145 <--> 13183
Frm:MA MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: "STAMP"
Most often, instead.
Msg #13183 Dated 0:18:20 08-09-91 13170 <--> 13190
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "STAMP"
Glad you liked the Burton show; I would have been astonished if your
reaction had been otherwise.
Your inkan is not registered.
Msg #13184 Dated 0:21:50 08-09-91 13159 <--> 13186
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Fun for who?
Msg #13186 Dated 0:15:15 08-09-91 13163 <--> 13187
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Hey! The poor guy and his wife have to eat sometime or other! Too bad
for Wells, but hazzard of hanging around D.C. Remember the guy who
used to do the bits during the Kennedy administration? Vaughn Me...
something? He used to do a bit on the President phoning out for a
pizza. Vaughn Meder? Close to the pronounciation, but not the
spelling. Went to look, but all I could find was Cledus Maggard,
"Redneck Mothers," "High Ballin' Hits," and Elvira & the V-Tones.
Msg #13187 Dated 0:24:18 08-09-91 13169 <--> 13196
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
He had the budget in it. Look at the good side -- someday you could be
invited to the White House to see seven hours of packet tricks.
Msg #13188 Dated 0:26:30 08-09-91 13166 <--> 13341
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Maybe you can report on the Burton show (Lance Burton, that is, "the
other one," when you feel better! And maybe you can even start it as
a NEW THREAD.
Msg #13189 Dated 0:27:37 08-09-91 13167 <--> 13936
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEN BEST TRIX
You ain't crummy! That stuff ain't crumbs! Dandruff, maybe, but not
crumbs. Besides, think of the positive side -- we can always follow
the trail and find the Biro.
Msg #13190 Dated 0:31:27 08-09-91 13181 <--> 13193
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: "STAMP"
You would have lost the bet! She is a great deal older than 30. But
she is not very communicative and it is difficult to get information
from her. One of my friends happens to be here from Japan this week,
but it turned out that he went to Las Vegas. That left me with the
prospect of calling Japan and waking someone up and I didn't think
they'd appreciate it. Have I ever mentioned that my brother is
Japanese and lives in Japan?
Very interesting and amusing story about the loanwords. I believe
there are factions that fight for linguistic purity, are there not?
Also for the continued use of chopsticks over Western style utensils
and the "spork."
Msg #13191 Dated 0:40:14 08-09-91 13172 <--> 13204
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Thanks for the info. I'm sure Cy Keller will appreciate it.
Msg #13193 Dated 0:43:50 08-09-91 13190 <--> 13227
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "STAMP"
Long live the spork.
Msg #13194 Dated 0:43:26 08-09-91 -> 13342
From: T A WATERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
Actually, the Victor and "I'll start again" routines are similar but
not identical; in the Victor version the marks appear on the paddle
case, and so on -- and there's a finish where card pips appear. As it
happens, Christian Chelman features a version of this effect in his
closeup routine, and he's working this week at the Castle -- dunno if
he is doing it, though.
Msg #13195 Dated 0:45:23 08-09-91 13174 <--> 13230
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
They went under the names Derek and Clive before they were more widely
known by their real names? Also, were they in any films other than
Bedazzled (together, I mean.).
Msg #13196 Dated 0:45:49 08-09-91 13184 <--> 13198
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TRIX
Fun for me!
Msg #13197 Dated 0:46:33 08-09-91 13149 <--> 13205
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
There is something to be said for listening to the audience more than
talking at them, isn't there>
Msg #13198 Dated 0:48:38 08-09-91 13160 <--> 13199
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I am particly interested in demonstrating a unique mathematical
progression in my eleventh variant of "Wild Card." The truly
fascinating element here is that it is not truly possible to fully
appreciate the variant without first carefull viewing the ten variants
that lead up to it -- twice. But I have been told that, experience
like this, it is not something one is likely to forget.
Msg #13199 Dated 0:50:55 08-09-91 13180 <--> 13200
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Has anyone ever seen Bush and Siegfried in the same room at the same
time? Likewise for Schwarzkopf and Roy. Think about it.
s
Msg #13200 Dated 0:51:37 08-09-91 13186 <--> 13206
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
What ELSE did Vaughan Meder (sp) do? Comedy records, right?
Msg #13201 Dated 0:56:39 08-09-91 13060 <--> 13332
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CLAYTON RAWSON
No Coffin For The Corpse was bought for films, but changed beyond
recognition; no Merlini in it. I believe it was filmed as "Miracles
For Sale" but that might've been an adaptation of one of Rawson's Don
Diavolo novels he wrote under the name of Stuart Towne.
Msg #13202 Dated 0:58:33 08-09-91 13096 <--> 13209
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Really? Haven't seen the review, thanks for mentioning it. I have a
few left...
Msg #13203 Dated 1:04:17 08-09-91 -> 13223
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCHERZO BBS
Dunno if you were the one that asked -- but I am sleepy, so: number of
the Wicked Scherzo, which carries the MAGICK forum, is 213-306-4081.
Msg #13204 Dated 1:03:45 08-09-91 13147 <--> 13236
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Let him get his own copy of Inside Magic! That sounds a bit harsh,
which is not the way I intended it, but Stan and Patrice and the other
folks at IM work hard to collect that data and they should reap the
rewards of doing so. Of course, as of this month Inside Magic will
evolve into MAGIC - The Independent Magazine for Magicians, but I
suspect that they will continue the show coverage.
Msg #13205 Dated 1:06:25 08-09-91 -> 13210
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I think one of the reasons doctors and lawyers are often held in low
esteem is the code-of-silence behavior you mention. I would also like
to point out again that I didn't make the comment to a layperson, but
to a showbiz professional. If I am talking to laypersons, and they
enthuse over a performer I can't stand, I do pretty much what Tommy
Wonder suggests -- talk about other magicians. If, however, they push
for my opinion, and I can't find anything nice to say about the
performer, I simply say that "it doesn't work for me" without going
into details.
Msg #13206 Dated 1:16:59 08-09-91 13198 <--> 13207
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
OK, you can do it AFTER everyone else has finished. You can be the BIG
FINISH! Just remember, according to Arnaud, the key question is "Mag
ik er eens een bij je trekken?" But, for all I know, that could mean
"I can neither hear nor speak...Your angles were bad."
Msg #13207 Dated 1:19:05 08-09-91 13199 <--> 13208
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
It seems to me that there was a contest recently to caption a picture.
I THINK it might have been Bush and Harry Blackstone, Jr. standing
facing each other. I think the winning caption was "Mr. Blackstone,
may I show you a card trick."
Msg #13208 Dated 1:20:43 08-09-91 13200 <--> 13218
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
During the Kennedy administration he was "hot." I don't know what has
happened to him since, but at that time he was on everything but the
cover of Time - television, radio, records, CD's, MTV, you name it.
Msg #13209 Dated 1:23:21 08-09-91 13202 <--> 13242
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
I'm beginning to get a very odd feeling about this particular issue of
Linking Ring. You haven't seen it, Tabby hasn't seen it, and I'm
reading reviews in it. Maybe Wayne wrote it before it was written?
Anyway, yes, there is a nice mention of THE T. A. WATERS VIDEO in Hocus
in Focus section. And they do mention that it is available from T. A.
Waters, 1801 Grace Ave., #72, Hollywood, Ca. 90028 for $35 + $3 postage
and handling in the U.S.
I assume that you realize, T A, that if you take MasterCharge and Visa
you can sell it electronically right here on MAGIC!
Msg #13210 Dated 1:34:32 08-09-91 13205 <--> 13220
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I concur with the approach that you and Tommy use.
Msg #13213 Dated 1:58:01 08-09-91 -> 13343
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEN CARD TRICKS
I got to thinking, and nearly all the things I do WELL are cards!
Luckily (for my friends anyway) I only do them by request
(theirs, not mine!) and only one or two at a shot.
Anyway, here is my list: (in no particular order)
"Vernon's Variant" (and variations), my FAVORITE,
"Marked Cards", from Bob Jardine's lecture notes,
"I Never Play with a Full Deck", also Jardine's,
"Spectator is the Magician", by Daryl Martinez,
"Delayed Reverse", Larry Becker from NY Symposium One
"Bizarre Twist", by Paul Harris,
"Triumph, with up to 5 spectator's selections reversed", a
perversion of my own compiled from Vernon, Jennings, and Anneman
handlings.
You probably noticed a lack of false shuffles, palming, double
lifts, etc., preferring more ACTION moves such as Elmsley Count,
card reversals, color changing backs, audience involvement,.....
There is a reason for this, I'd much rather stick to things
slightly more visual than "take a card and I'll find it" that
seems to prevail at our typical magic meetings.
(Besides, it boils down to.... I just can't seem to palm, pass,
flourish,... you know .... SKILL)
Balancing this, ONE coin routine,
"Coins through Silk", by Michael Ammar, my favorite (performer,
not the trick, although it's great too!)
"7 corner Hank", Billy McComb, from his Stevens Video,
"Crazy Man's Handcuffs", by Michael Ammar
"Linking Bands", Dan Harlan, Mike Ammar, Mike Weber, Chris
Kenner... (the only trick whose credits are longer than the
effect!)
And when I want to get really serious, a demonstration of
psychokenesis (known as PK factor to the rest of us).
Well, theres my ten (more or less). Anyone else?
David (the other one)
Msg #13214 Dated 2:29:57 08-09-91 -> 13217
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
First let me give a definition of fraud, "Deception in order to gain
by another's loss". Deception is, "To mislead by or AS by falsehood."
Funk & Wagnalls.
.
When you say you question their logic and may not agree with their
beliefs, it seems you are saying that THEY REALLY believe what they
are doing, like channeling for money, doing crystal healing, selling
bogus energy devices, etc. so therefore they are not frauds, merely
misguided. The buyers of their services, have compatible belief
systems so what's the harm ?
.
A concrete example of what I consider to be fraud is a device that
is supposed to shield an area from outside electromagnetic energy.
It is possible to shield an area by buiiding a Faraday cage around
it or using concrete and lead. This device is a DIGITAL CLOCK with
a sticker on the back, that says it contains a 'channeled' circuit
that will generate an energy barrier. Someone took a regular digital
clock (the kind with numerals about 3 inches high) and convinced
the buyer that it would effectively shield him from stray radiation !
.
I used a hall-effect probe on my scope, and could detect no active
radiation, except where the transformer was converting AC to DC.
The buyer, (the same guy I took to the castle) just said, "Your
intruments are not sensitive to the kind of energy that this device
is generating. I can feel the energy and that's all that counts".
.
This alarm clock probably sells normally for $ 10-15, the guy paid
$ 100 for the channeled version. That's $ 85-90 profit taking
advantage of a person's belief system. Whether the seller believes
in the device or not, it has no scientific basis in fact. The
buyer has been deceived, and the seller has gained at the others
loss.
.
Now the question comes to mind. Has a fraud been committed, if the
buyer doesn't think so. As a corallary, has a fraud been committed
if the seller believes what he is selling to be true ?
.
The reason so many con-artists keep going for so long is that many
of the 'victims' are ashamed to admit they have been duped or may
actually believe the product is 'working as advertized'. In the
abstract, a fraud has been committed whether anyone complains or
not, even if the seller was 'deceiving' the buyer unknowingly. In
the real world, like who cares - no harm no foul.
.
Go to a Psychic fair sometime and check out the fringe science
for sale, and then tell me that this isn't fraud by the definition
above. I could go into several other examples, but I'm not sure
we could ever come to an agreemnet on this - let's get back to
magic. We seem to get off on tangents. Only a few have commented
on my original point.
Msg #13217 Dated 2:41:00 08-09-91 -> 13219
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I'm not surprised that Sai Baba is a fraud. The main problem is that
he is used by others as a concrete example of 'true magic' to support
their own belief systems.
Msg #13218 Dated 2:41:06 08-09-91 13033 <--> 13225
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Yes super-pig is still there. I asked E.J. when it was going to be
taken down, he said it wasn't. Seems even though the members complain
ed and the board voted to have it removed, Milt likes it and it's his
place - so it stays.
Msg #13219 Dated 2:41:13 08-09-91 13010 <--> 13244
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I know you would never fleece anyone that didn't deserve it. It was
more of a rhetorical question, not directed personally.
Msg #13220 Dated 2:41:19 08-09-91 13131 <--> 13221
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
It can be a bit intimidating at times, but just hang in there. My
attitude towards magic has certainly been changed since I got
hooked on MAGIC!, we rarely agree on anything, and very rarely
change each others opinion, but magic happens here every day.
.
Plus there are some great people on here. See you at the castle
Sunday, will have some wire to demo. It's amazing stuff.
Msg #13221 Dated 2:41:27 08-09-91 13154 <--> 13222
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Thanks Evan. Sometimes I think we forget that most people do magic
because they enjoy it, and will only get better. What good does it
do anyone to sit on-line and complain about all the bad magic out
there. We should accentuate the positive aspects of the art. Any
brute can tear something down, it takes positive effort to build.
Msg #13222 Dated 2:41:35 08-09-91 13177 <--> 13226
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I tend to take a passive attitude when asking what others thought
about an act. If they thought it was great, then who am I to tell
them how bad it was. The more common question that I get asked is
if I 'know' how they did a particuliar effect. If I say I do, then
they want me to tell them, which I won't do. If I don't know I tell
them I don't, but I don't think they believe me.
.
If the act was not up to snuff, and they didn't like it I just let it
go at that. I agree that trying to impress people with your knowledge
of magic is boring.
Msg #13223 Dated 2:41:46 08-09-91 13203 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SCHERZO BBS
No Bill it was me that wanted the MAGICK forum number, thanks.
Msg #13224 Dated 2:43:28 08-09-91 13127 <--> 13229
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Sounds like Steve Allen used up a perfectly good title. Max could have
used "Dumbth" on a book specifically for magicalumpen. The title would
have gone well with his series "Thunday," "Thequal," "Amperthand,"
"Doth," and "Fifth."
Msg #13225 Dated 2:46:52 08-09-91 13218 <--> 13241
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Apparently a permanent monument to Milt's artistic judgement. Where
can we get some Kudzu?
Msg #13226 Dated 2:49:55 08-09-91 13222 <--> 13228
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
It sounds like an agreeable attitude to me, Jerry. Maybe there is more
consensus on this than was first thought.
Msg #13227 Dated 3:11:03 08-09-91 13190 <--> 13272
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "STAMP"
I have not heard of any Japanese groups actively fighting the influx of
loanwords. I'm sure there are some conservative commentators who have
made protests over the current rate and volume, but traditionally the
Japanese have been quite open to cultural imports of this type. You're
probably aware that their writing systems are based on Chinese, and in
conjunction with that a huge number of Chinese words entered the spoken
language. In fact, most of the _kanji_ characters have at least two
ways of being pronounced, one of which is based on Chinese. The actual
percentage of contemporary Japanese that is purely Yamato is, I
believe, less than fifty percent. So, it's a little late to start
worrying about loanwords...
As for chopsticks, the Japanese use them for domestic and other Asian
cuisines, and switch to cutlery when eating western food; it's as
simple as that. The only particular comments I've heard with any
regularity on the subject have to do with the fact that the younger
generation tends to handle chopsticks somewhat sloppily -- rather as
has been observed about the table manners of young Americans.
Msg #13228 Dated 3:19:02 08-09-91 13222 <--> 13246
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
If a layperson tells you that they didn't like a given magic act,
instead of your suggestion to "just let it go at that" it might be of
value to find out why they reacted as they did.
Msg #13229 Dated 3:23:13 08-09-91 13224 <--> 13261
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
You forgot the most recent one, "Thavant."
Msg #13230 Dated 3:15:49 08-09-91 13069 <--> 13233
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I beg your pardon Wayne...
I wrote for that horrible sitcom ("THE TWO OF US" co-starring Mimi
Kennedy on CBS). Then again looking back at the quality of my writing
back then, it was HORRIBLE! (I also did warm-up for several of the
episodes. The bright side of that was working with/for Peter Cook who
was/is one of my comedy idols. Do you remember the Tarzan bit from
"Beyond the Fringe"....they did it once on a Saturday Night Live, and
luckily it shows up every once in a while on Comedy Central (which by
the way replayed Harry Anderson guest host show Wed.
night).)
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #13232 Dated 3:27:06 08-09-91 -> 13250
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAGICIAN
And in the series, Bixby's character was named Anthony Blake...HEY
WAIT A MINUTE...that's my name, well I'll be a...
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #13233 Dated 3:33:15 08-09-91 13195 <--> 13260
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I loved Derek and Clive, have a few of their
recordings...aah...Malibulebumbum!
s
Msg #13234 Dated 4:35:57 08-09-91 -> 13265
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: ABBOTTS DAY 2
Abbotts - Day 2
.
I am very happy to write todays review. Yesterday's was rather
negative on most points but today's is almost a complete
reversal. The weather today was horrid. 65 and rained all day.
The lecture and show were very well done on all counts.
.
Marvyn Roy lectured, not about tricks, but about performing
and creating miracles. Not more tricks, do the ones you have
better. He was as well received as Terry Seabrooke was
panned.
.
Whereas wednesday's show was mediocre magic at it's best
tonights show was excellent.
.
Mike Caldwell was the MC and did a bit with a kid on stage
and a cut and restored gentlemens hank. A perfect example of
how to treat children (or adults for that matter) on stage. Fun
was had by all, but not at the expense of a child who went away
with a certificate and a coupon good for two souvenier Kennedy
half dollars redeemable at any bank.
.
Dale Hindman was the leadoff man with some excellent money
magic. He also provided a good demonstration that the
performance is more important than the trick. One of his was
silk from dollar bill. It's in the Klutz Book of Magic but when
worked in and presented properly it came off as a very credible
effect.
.
Next up were the Troyans, again. Last nights high spot
returned with new mime skits and were just as entertaining.
This time Slav was a weight lifter...very well done and there
was a spoof on magic where Slav is going to make an apple
disappear from under his hat. After several false start Katie
steals the apple when Slav is not looking and during a couple of
more false starts eats it. Slav failing to get his trick going tells
the audience to forget it he'll get his apple back. Katie says no
and after some audience interaction Slav does remove his apple
from the hat.
.
Up third was Earl Ray Wilcox who gave a masterful
performance of pure prestidigitation. He did a wonderful
miser's dream and a continuous card production that were great
examples of pure slight of hand.
.
The cleanup spot went to Brett Daniels, who made it finally
after his car troubles. He was worth the wait. Primarily a
dove/bird act it too was beautifully executed including the
production of two cockatoo's and two large parrots as well as
several doves including one that changed from white to red in
a flash. This act got a standing ovation from the crowd. The
highlight was the revalation of a selected card that appeared
under the follwoing circumstances. The usual audience member
selected a card and it is lost in the deck etc. House lights go
down a bit and the deck is thrown out into the audience. A
cockatoo appears to materialize out of the deck and in its beak
is the selected card.
.
Last on the evenings program was Blackstone's full show for the
Colon get together. He presented the classical dancing spirit
hank and saw a woman in half with a giant circular saw. The
whole show was well done and well received by an audience that
also gave him a standing ovation.
.
Tomorrow features the closeup show, Karrel Fox Lecture,
Mercer Helms, David Seebach, Bob Bloenk and Terry Seabrooke
as MC.
.
Randy Lund
Msg #13236 Dated 6:14:58 08-09-91 13128 <--> 13243
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
It that THE Cy Keller - life long buddy, since camp days, of Mike
Ellis?
Msg #13237 Dated 6:16:22 08-09-91 13148 <--> 13253
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
No, no. Silence means approval. It's a great idea! In fact, I think
I'll invent it!
Just kidding, just kidding. But the 25 foot coils seem a bit much. I
saw a Mini-coil a couple of years ago that would probably be better.
They are only about the size of your thumbnail, and are just like the
mouth coils, only you can load them into a thumbtip and pull out 5,
maybe 10 feet at the outside. You could carry a dozen of these in you
r pocket without looking like Pee Wee Herman, either.
Msg #13238 Dated 7:48:32 08-09-91 13133 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARK LODGE
Re: COP ON ARSENIO
Unfortunately the other night with Cop on Arsenio when he presented
his giant saw of death escape the camera angle wasn't great when he
climbed into the box and even though he had verbally misdirected the
final result of the effect, it looked like he was climbing down into
the thing instead of laying down on his stomach. I don't know what it
looked like from the audience perspective though. My main dissapointm
ent in the programming was the Yogi Bear bs instead of having some ki
nd of meaningful dialog (I know with Arsenio it's asking a lot) after
the presentation.
Msg #13240 Dated 7:48:54 08-09-91 13178 <--> 13264
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGICIAN SAVES HUNDREDS
It appears to be a true story.
Msg #13241 Dated 7:48:58 08-09-91 13200 <--> 13248
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
VM did _The First Family_ spoofs that ended when JK was murdered in
Dallas. His xwife is a hanger on in Music City.
Msg #13242 Dated 7:49:03 08-09-91 13202 <--> 13361
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Well, put one aside for the tabman as my order went out this morning.
Msg #13243 Dated 7:49:07 08-09-91 13204 <--> 13252
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
In a recent supreme court decision called popularly the _Sweat of the
Brow Case_ historical data may be lifted from the researcher's
published material and as long as it isn't directly quoted may be
used without either permission or credit.
Msg #13244 Dated 7:49:13 08-09-91 13214 <--> 13245
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
That's ripe, Jerry. An electric clock energy shield for aura protec-
tion. Is there going to be a "psychic fair" during October anyplace
around?
Msg #13245 Dated 7:49:18 08-09-91 13219 <--> 13363
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I knew it was rhetorical, Jerry, but I decided to answer it the
way I did to make a point strictly for myself. There's a saying down
in Texas (and I edit for publication).."Fleece the Fleecers!"
Msg #13246 Dated 7:49:25 08-09-91 13221 <--> 13247
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Well said Jerry. Much cheaper to have a building demolished than
built, though it takes an expert explosives man to do a spectacular
implosion.
Msg #13247 Dated 7:49:30 08-09-91 13222 <--> 13249
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
The entertainment industry is full of second rate acts who resent
other second rate acts, who for some reason hit the top. They say,
I can do that, I'm better than that. The question is then, why didn't
they DO IT. There are certain charasmatic influences at play that
are beyond their understanding.
Msg #13248 Dated 7:49:37 08-09-91 13225 <--> 13257
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Kudzu! Now yo South Carolina roots are showing. Time for a little
dose of brain peroxide.
Msg #13249 Dated 7:49:42 08-09-91 13228 <--> 13281
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Ah so. A wise man listens more than he speaks.
Msg #13250 Dated 7:49:46 08-09-91 13232 <--> 13333
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: THE MAGICIAN
A pale imitation of the real AB.
Msg #13252 Dated 8:14:29 08-09-91 13204 <--> 13266
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Good point. So if anyone would like to subscribe to the new Magic
magazine which is taking Inside Magic's place you can write to
Stan Allen, 4067 Hardwick St., Suite 322, Lakewood, CA 90712. $30.00
Msg #13253 Dated 8:20:00 08-09-91 13173 <--> 13254
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
The floss sounds like a good idea for a close-up situation, however, my
original intenton asto do it in a larger stage type situation for
an up coming show. I would get better visibility from the coils.
Thanks for the tip- I finally have a use for that stuff the dentist
gave me!
Msg #13254 Dated 8:25:44 08-09-91 13175 <--> 13255
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Wow David, you've turned a throw away gag into quite a production!
Just goes to show what a little thought and creativity can do. I'm
going to save that message and work on that - Thanks!
Msg #13255 Dated 8:27:48 08-09-91 13237 <--> 13267
From: STAN LAKE
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I didn't know of the smaller coils. That would be a good compromise
between Petes's suggestion of dental floss which may be hard to see
from a distance and my idea of 25 foot coils which may be too much!
I'll look for those and thanks for the idea!
Msg #13257 Dated 10:27:24 08-09-91 13225 <--> 13258
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I'm truly amazed. Milt's vision is what created the wonderful ambiance
of the Magic Castle to begin with. How can the same man desecrate it
with a monumental leaking car wreck at the entrance? It doesn't make
sense to me.
'W.
Msg #13258 Dated 10:29:32 08-09-91 13200 <--> 13269
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TRIX
Meader is the correct spelling.
'W.
Msg #13260 Dated 10:32:14 08-09-91 13195 <--> 13262
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Derek and Clive recordings were released well AFTER they achieved fame.
The reason for the different names is that the Derek and Clive stuff is
truly tasteless and outrageous. (i.e. - One of their recordings was
called AD NAUSEUM.) As for films, if you have never seen them in the
1966 black comedy, THE WRONG BOX, consider yourself comedically
deprived. (Just as one might consider Derek and Clive comedically
depraved!)
'W.
Msg #13261 Dated 10:36:08 08-09-91 13229 <--> 13709
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Argh! (tm - Biro). Leaving Thavant off the list was definitely not
intentional.
Msg #13262 Dated 10:38:41 08-09-91 13230 <--> 13327
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I beg YOUR pardon, Anthony. My comment was not intended to slight your
writing. I was referring to the fact that Peter did the pilot for the
show without really comprehending that, if picked up (which it was), he
would be obligated to stay in the U.S. and continue on. The show was
all wrong for him, in my opinion. It never took advantage of Peter's
wonder and unique comedic gifts.
Regarding the Tarzan bit, it was called "One Leg Too Few."
'W.
Msg #13264 Dated 10:47:26 08-09-91 13240 <--> 13274
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGICIAN SAVES HUNDREDS
I'm glad....now let's get him on the cover of Linking Ring where he
belongs.
'W.
Msg #13265 Dated 10:46:23 08-09-91 13234 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS DAY 2
Wow! Randy! Sounds like there were some terrific shows last night!
And we really appreciate your staying up 'til about 6 A.M. Colon time
to get your report back! Fantastic job! If you get a chance, give
Blackstone regards from MAGIC!
Msg #13266 Dated 10:52:53 08-09-91 13243 <--> 13275
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
I don't think a current publication can be considered historical data.
Msg #13267 Dated 11:00:33 08-09-91 13254 <--> 13268
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Pete has made a good point about most people not understanding the
invisible stuff in the bill. I've found that most people don't even
realize that the SERIAL NUMBERS on bills are unique. I do a bit with
the serial number and I've had to work on the wording a lot to guide
them to understanding that it is a unique number.
But your threads got me thinking (and RANDY LUND, in his Abbott's
report mentioned one source of the red and blue threads trick - The
Klutz Book of Magic) - for close-up, maybe there is something that
could be done with removing the INVISIBLE part of the bill WITHOUT
displaying it - an effect that goes the OPPOSITE way from the coil
production!
You might be on the road to inventing TWO effects here!
Msg #13268 Dated 11:08:15 08-09-91 13255 <--> 13271
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
HEY! WAIT A MINUTE! MICHAEL didn't mention the mini-coils until
message # 13237 - 6:16 A.M. on the 9th. I described them in message #
13175 at 11:56 P.M. on the _8th_! They are MINE, MINE, ALL MINE. Er,
of course, Michael lives two hours ahead of me... and that means, well,
with taxes, tip, and overhead he probably wrote his message at... er,
uh, maybe before I wrote mine... er, uh, frazzle...
Msg #13269 Dated 11:13:21 08-09-91 13248 <--> 13270
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Well, Kudzo might work on SuperPig. You casually drop a sprig on the
ground nearby and 48-hours later SuperPig is merely a tall mound of
green vine.
Msg #13270 Dated 11:14:55 08-09-91 13257 <--> 13277
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TRIX
I know - I can't understand it either. You would think Milt would have
more pride than that.
Msg #13271 Dated 11:16:18 08-09-91 13267 <--> 13273
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I think it is sad that MOST people don't know all currency has
different serial numbers! I have either never run across that before
or else I was unaware they didn't know.
As to taking out the invisible part of the bill, what is the point of
the effect? I'll let you play with that one!
You may have the mini coils as all YOURS. David- do you ever sleep?
Msg #13272 Dated 11:20:25 08-09-91 13227 <--> 13428
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: "STAMP"
Thanks for the info. Yes, I was drawing on the info about the younger
set handling chopsticks sloppily. Also a furor a few years ago about
"sporks" being used for school lunches.
A few years ago, I had lunch with Akio Morrita. Someone at the table
asked him, "Does the outlook of the younger employees at Sony differ
from your own?"
"Oh, yes," he said, "Their outlook is MUCH different."
Every Westerner at the table developed a sudden smirk, waiting for the
tirade about kids being lazy, etc.
"They are MUCH more serious," he went on to say, "I'm leaving Sony in
a couple of years - what will I care? They will be spending the rest
of their lives there. They are much more concerned with the future of
the company!"
Dead silence at the table.
We'd better either reconnect this thread to magic or take it private
before the Sysop gets us.
Msg #13273 Dated 11:30:28 08-09-91 13271 <--> 13276
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Well, I was thinking of something along the lines of the bill either
getting smaller or changing denomination as the threads were removed.
But I'm not quite happy with it. Something about it changing as the
invisible part is invisibly removed.
I have been known to sleep - mostly during my own act.
Msg #13274 Dated 12:02:48 08-09-91 13264 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGICIAN SAVES HUNDREDS
I'm all for it, but so far we've all drawn a blank on the whereabouts
of Robin Boltman.......
Msg #13275 Dated 12:02:53 08-09-91 13266 <--> 13278
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Sorry Dave, but it can. The _Sweat of the Brow_ decision grants
copyright protection only for the exact wording and not for the
research, effort, etc that goes into it. The decision was made to
encourage the flow of ideas necessary for science and invention and
unfortunately everything else falls in between. Any one can take the
work of someone else and publish it as long as he/she doesn't
directly plagerize. This isn't my interpretation but that of the
Supreme Court of the USA.
Msg #13276 Dated 12:03:02 08-09-91 13267 <--> 13279
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Based on Pete's idea you could pick at one of the red threads on a
bill, loosen it and pull a twenty foot thread from the bill. A gag
really, but would be fun. Close-up of course.
Msg #13277 Dated 12:03:08 08-09-91 13269 <--> 13280
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Would you like me to have my mom in Georgia clip a sprig of Kudzu
and mail it to you?
Msg #13279 Dated 12:29:55 08-09-91 13276 <--> 13290
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Hey! Then you've got a thread production - you could finish with the
bill - vanish it or something - and do Gypsy Thread. Do it as a
"recap" of what happened with the bill - see, the threads in the bill
were in little pieces... but when I pulled 'em out they became one long
thread...
Msg #13280 Dated 12:31:59 08-09-91 13277 <--> 13295
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Nah, mail it to SuperPig. Address the envelope to SuperPig, The Magic
Castle, 7001 Franklin Ave., Hollywood, Ca. 90028.
On second thought, they'll just file it in the members' mail file under
"S." Send it to Milt - maybe he'll think its aesthetically appealing
and plant it at home!
Msg #13281 Dated 12:40:01 08-09-91 13171 <--> 13282
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Thanks, Pete. I needed to hear that.
Msg #13282 Dated 12:41:02 08-09-91 13220 <--> 13296
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Looking forward to it!
Msg #13285 Dated 13:21:44 08-09-91 13236 <--> 13289
From: CY KELLER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Mike. This is the Cy Keller of Baltimore.
Msg #13288 Dated 13:47:30 08-09-91 -> 13347
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: LETTERS FROM HOME
Tommy - Just picked up the following message to you from MAGIC-NL.
You may have other mail waiting, but this was in the NL-US exchange
section:
Message #962 - Echomail MAGIC!-US
Date : 06-Aug-91 13:41
From : Frans De Groot
To : Tommy Wonder
Subject : fransje
Betse Jos,
Leuk dat mijn ideeen zoveel verwarring zaaien. Zo te zien boer
jegoed daar in de states, de Tommy Wonder Surprise Lunch lijkt meerg
leuk, ik heb nog getracht te boeken maar na onzeuitspattingen in
Lausanne is er geen cent meer over. Wat uitgever"Klootzak" betreft
doet hij zijn duitse (hoe kan het ook anders)achternaam eer aan.
Hij wil denk ik zoveel mogelijk aan jouhersenspinsels verdienen.
Het bracht mij op het volgende idee: WAAROM GEEF JE HET BOEK NIETIN
EIGEN BEHEER UIT! Hier in nederland heb je alles in eigenhand.
Arnaud heeft een familielid met een uitstekende grotedrukkerij. In
nederland lopen er best een aantal goedeillustrators rond. Aan
vormgevers ook geen gebrek(Flip-Elferink). Lyn kan jouw uitstekende
engels verderkorrigeren. Kijk naar Ammar (boek bijna in eigen
beheer) enTamariz (ook bijna zelf in spanje laten maken). Verder
heb ikzelfook nog enige ervaring in vormgeving en drukken en wil je
altijdmet wat dan ook terzijde staan. Laat uitgever "Klootzak" toch
inde stront zakken en het beste boek maken wat ooit in
degoochelwereld is verschenen. We hebben het er nog wel over oponze
"Mysterium Surprise Barbecue". Ik ga nu een lekker"Koninkje"
nuttigen in mijn zonnige tuintje en denk aan jou enLyn. Groeten uit
een zonovergoten Holland (HIK).
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
Msg #13290 Dated 14:31:22 08-09-91 13279 <--> 13302
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I wish there were a way to weave a bill so when you pulled the
thread it would unravel like a sweater. I'd like to try that with a
hundred at the bank and shove the threads back through the window and
request another bill since this one came unglued.
Msg #13292 Dated 14:42:22 08-09-91 -> 13435
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAIL CALL
Ee;13286
Got the stuff in the mail today and will look it over over the week-
end. Hope your night out with the robots of ballet was good. Later/tc
Msg #13294 Dated 14:52:53 08-09-91
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: MAGIC IN SFO?
Thanks very much for the info on SFO. As you indicated, not much going
on as far as Magic is concerned. We did follow your suggestion and
tried Bentley's out. An easy walk from the St. Francis and very
enjoyable. Thanks again for the help.
Msg #13295 Dated 15:05:52 08-09-91 13160 <--> 13300
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Beware, the time it takes me to do ALL my packet tricks might
surprise you!
Msg #13296 Dated 15:05:56 08-09-91 13177 <--> 13299
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
In Holland we have a guy, who always has to make negative comments
about others. He cannot get it out of his mouth to say something
is good. I have heard him make a positive comment only once, and
that only after he was almost forced to do so. But when he talkes
about his own achievements...it is a different matter!
He is typically one who tries to uplift himself by downgrading
others. Suppose he is more in love with himself than with magic.
Msg #13299 Dated 15:11:48 08-09-91 13228 <--> 13308
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Wether a lay person likes or dislikes an act, it is always of
value to find out why. I may have told you, that there is a girl
who,knowing I am a magician, discusses the magic she has seen with
me. I think she is far more knowledgable than many magicians I
know. She does not know the in's and out's of magic, but does see
a lot of theatre. It is amazing the way she analyses, puts the
finger on discrepancies and little details. Details most of us
(including me) think will go past the audience. She is very smart,
and more than once she has put new light on things for me. Not all
lay people are this sharp, but it is good to know some are.
Msg #13300 Dated 15:11:54 08-09-91 13257 <--> 13307
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Having heard so much about this car wreck, I cannot wait to see it!
Msg #13302 Dated 15:13:47 08-09-91 13290 <--> 13304
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Gee, that sounds like an incredible effect. It is good! I like it. May
be ifsome type of gimmick could roll the bill from the top onwards, so
it seems to become shorter. At the same time some thread is reeled of
this same gimmick, seemingly coming from the top. Also the thread
unreeling from the gimmick could be the motive power to have the bill
roll itself up. Very interesting!!!!!!
Msg #13304 Dated 15:36:34 08-09-91 13290 <--> 13305
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Funny! I was trying to think of something along that line too! Maybe
zig-zag cuts in the bill. If you're gonna experiment, I'd suggest you
try the various techniques on _ones_ first - if it works with a one, it
should work with a hundred.
Msg #13305 Dated 15:39:14 08-09-91 13302 <--> 13310
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Now THAT is interesting! As the thread rolls off clockwise, the bill
rolls on counterclockwise. Need something to deal with the ratio -
thread has to be longer than bill. Then vanish the whole thing with a
pull or whatever.
Msg #13307 Dated 15:42:37 08-09-91 13295 <--> 13324
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
Well, we do have to let the public back into the Pub after about 7
p.m., but they'll probably enjoy 'em too! And don't worry - if you run
short, I can always do balloon animals.
Msg #13308 Dated 15:44:21 08-09-91 13296 <--> 13314
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Agreed - he is more in love with himself than with magic. There is an
old story about a guy who was a member of a club and who, no matter
what anyone said, would sigh and say, "It could have been worse."
Once his buddies decided to come up with a story that he couldn't do
that to. So, one evening, when he was sitting in the bar at the club,
a guy rushed in and said, "Did everyone hear what happened to Jim? He
came home about an hour ago and found his wife in bed with another man.
He shot them both and then turned the gun on himself!"
The guy sighed and said, "It could have been worse."
"How in H*ll could it have been worse???" his friends demanded.
"Well," he said, "if he'd been an hour earlier I'd be dead now."
Msg #13310 Dated 15:54:07 08-09-91 13290 <--> 13311
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Just thought of an addition! After you have unreeled all this thread,
you would have the gimmick in your hand with the rolled up bill. And of
course there is the thread. Now bundle up the thread and let a shower
of coins come out of it! This will take the heat of off the hand
holding the gimmick!
Msg #13311 Dated 15:56:05 08-09-91 13304 <--> 13313
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Or try regular paper first! Could save you a lot of money, because even
with ones....I do not know, might be costly!
Msg #13313 Dated 15:58:01 08-09-91 13311 <--> 13319
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Gee, I never thought of plain paper! You are right - could save a lot
of money!
Msg #13314 Dated 15:58:03 08-09-91 13308 <--> 13346
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
That's very funny!
Msg #13317 Dated 16:01:25 08-09-91 -> 13453
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: SPRING FAN
Here I go again, asking for assistance. I remember a full deck of
cards that had a spring loaded in it so that when you let the squared
up deck loose, it would spring into a full fan. I last saw it offered
by a dealer at the IBM show back in '82 or '83. Anyone with an idea of
where I might obtain this item, please give a shout. Thank you. MIKE.
Msg #13318 Dated 16:24:56 08-09-91 -> 13338
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: ROBIN BOLTMAN
Ee;13302
Magician/hero ROBIN BOLTMAN is ABC News Person of the Week. It looks
like he is going to get what he deserves for all he did for so many
passengers on the Oceanos. Makes me even prouder to be in magic.
Msg #13319 Dated 16:25:03 08-09-91 13302 <--> 13320
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
It's yours Tommy. If you work it out, let me know and don't forget
to send me those lecture notes when you get back to the mother
country. BTW, my wife's family is almost neighbors of yours being
from Belgium. Hope to get over and say hey soon. I'll give it some
thought too. It's been bugging me ever since I saw it in my mind's
eye. Talk to you later....
Msg #13320 Dated 16:25:11 08-09-91 13310 <--> 13321
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I guess you could unload 49 pennies and 5 dimes and be left with a
penny's worth of thread. I like it.
Msg #13321 Dated 16:25:16 08-09-91 13311 <--> 13334
From: TABBY CRABB
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
How about using one peso notes from Mexico. I think you can get
2500 of them for a US dollar. Just a little Hotel DeCarlo humor.
Msg #13322 Dated 16:32:39 08-09-91 -> 13331
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: PEOPLE
I was gone for 5 weeks, and as I told you, I can't believe the number
of new names that now appear on the board. Growing and growing.
Count me in for the $30.
Msg #13323 Dated 16:37:36 08-09-91 -> 13353
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LONDON
Stopped by Davenport's in the Charing Cross tube station. The guy said
he knew you.
However, he didn't say if that was good or if that was bad.
Did you enjoy Fism?
Msg #13324 Dated 16:42:37 08-09-91 13248 <--> 13344
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
What is kudzu?
Msg #13325 Dated 16:39:11 08-09-91
From: MARVIN STERN
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BLACKPOOL
Driving back to London from Scotland, I found myself about 25 miles
from Blackpool.
Remembering what you said, we decided to stay there a few days, and I
did get to the Horseshoe Club and see the Mystique Illusion show. Did
enjoy it, although it was not great. What were you doing up in that
neck of the woods? I know you were not on vacation, so I assume that
the busness office was near there. Regards to Evi.
Msg #13326 Dated 16:43:58 08-09-91 -> 13436
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WEEK END
Will be in front of Kelly's coffee shop, were the ferry lands in
Balboa.
If you're out riding, near there, why don't you stop by?
Msg #13327 Dated 16:46:21 08-09-91 13230 <--> 13328
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Are you the "Tony Blake" who wrote on "Love Boat" and "Dirty Dozen?"
Msg #13328 Dated 16:47:08 08-09-91 13260 <--> 13413
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
They were in the Wrong Box? I will hunt for it instantly.
Msg #13329 Dated 16:45:46 08-09-91 -> 14599
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ACT
Hi. Just got back yesterday. How goes the act? Is Vicky Jo still
around or has she finally wise-ed up to you?
Msg #13331 Dated 16:53:11 08-09-91 13322 <--> 13336
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PEOPLE
In addition to the twenty you owe me?
Msg #13332 Dated 16:54:01 08-09-91 13201 <--> 13367
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLAYTON RAWSON
Were the Stuart Towne books also magi-related? What was Don Diavolo?
Msg #13333 Dated 16:54:49 08-09-91 13232 <--> 13411
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: THE MAGICIAN
Named after you, by any chance?
Msg #13334 Dated 16:55:07 08-09-91 13267 <--> 13335
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
You mean serial numbers are different on different bills?
Msg #13335 Dated 17:24:36 08-09-91 13276 <--> 13337
From: STAN LAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Perhaps if you took out the colored thread you could end up with a
blank piece of paper. "Reweave" it back into the paper to change it's
denomination. (Don't do that for a Treasury agent!)
Msg #13336 Dated 17:34:59 08-09-91 13331 <--> 13355
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PEOPLE
The check is in the mail.
Honey, I promise .......
There are about 3 or 4 others also.
How goes the writing? Any fights on the board lately?
On second thought, when you stop by, you can pickup the 20.
Msg #13337 Dated 17:54:34 08-09-91 13304 <--> 13345
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Okay, how about this: there is an approach to geometric vanishes which
was pioneered by a Japanese magician named Atsukawa, but which did not
receive much attention until a version called "Paradox" by Matsuyama
appeared in "Chronicles" magazine around 1980. At any rate, although it
is most often made with a playing card this can be constructed using a
bill. The basic idea is that the bill has been cut into four pieces,
which when placed together form a complete bill. However, if the pieces
are turned upside-down and reassembled, there is now a gap in the
middle.
So, to apply the thread-extraction idea, have a small coil of green
thread finger-clipped. Bring out the bill, and assemble it. Now gather
the pieces, reach in and pull out the thread. Reassemble the bill to
show the gap, apparently accounted for by the removal of the thread.
Alternatively, finger-clip a penny; reach in and extract it, then
reassemble the bill -- the gap exists because the bill is now worth
only 99 cents...
Msg #13338 Dated 17:59:18 08-09-91 13318 <--> 13357
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROBIN BOLTMAN
Boltman's bravery is fully deserving of praise, but it has absolutely
nothing to do with his being a magician.
Msg #13341 Dated 18:30:14 08-09-91 13188 <--> 13385
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I will never feel better. But the Burton Show is Bizzarroooooo
The levitation of two people at one time F**nicating? Was and IS
a baffler... they float all the way up and out os sight and the
curtain closes... full light, no cover... a wow
Msg #13342 Dated 18:30:21 08-09-91 13194 <--> 13368
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
I actually don't want to tip the version I do... sorry...
Msg #13343 Dated 18:30:25 08-09-91 13213 <--> 13369
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: TEN CARD TRICKS
Looks like a good menu of magic... tanks
Msg #13344 Dated 18:30:29 08-09-91 13277 <--> 13349
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
She wood have to put it in a large box, as it wood be full by the
time the speedy postal service finished storing it...
Msg #13345 Dated 18:30:36 08-09-91 13279 <--> 13348
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Now you are starting to catch on... it's called rootining.
I would give you full info but am mad at the world... gnargh
Msg #13346 Dated 18:30:42 08-09-91 13281 <--> 13350
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Take no prisoners...!!!! If you win my mooooooodmitechange.....
Msg #13347 Dated 18:30:46 08-09-91 13288 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LETTERS FROM HOME
I like what you say!
Msg #13348 Dated 18:30:50 08-09-91 13290 <--> 13351
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I have some small counterfiet bills... you also could swtich in
on of those bills that has been treated to grow (cuts init somehow)
and then pull the thread out ala sweater and finish with half a
bill (smaller size)... and at end use the Himber Silk bill that
is about three feet long... or a bath towel with dollar bill
printed on it... lotsa ideas for different size shows... gragh
Msg #13349 Dated 18:31:00 08-09-91 13295 <--> 13426
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
I hope that they have time to hang in all day.... be good....
Msg #13350 Dated 18:31:04 08-09-91 13299 <--> 13432
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
The guy I work with in photo biz, saw his first ever show in Vegas
last night. And it Was Lance Burton.
He loved th show... but noted the Mirror bottom under a table, and
that he LEFT cards on his ear then produced them later... but still
said, "What a Great Show... better than I ever expected!"
Msg #13351 Dated 18:31:12 08-09-91 13310 <--> 13352
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
You could give the dollar to a stripper dancing for you...
Msg #13352 Dated 18:31:17 08-09-91 13320 <--> 13358
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
The old Ireland Magic dropper that loads 50 pennies int your hand
would be great ... You could roll a bill into a tube, load a finger
tip init with the thread and when you unroll the bill it is smaller.
Msg #13353 Dated 18:31:24 08-09-91 13323 <--> 13383
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LONDON
I was totally nutcased out at FISM and have been a miserable person
ever since... I should have taken th Orient express with my new
friends to Siberia... arghharghh
Msg #13355 Dated 18:58:51 08-09-91 13336 <--> 13356
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PEOPLE
Writing goes well. No fights on the board. All have been
well-behaved, including myself. To vent the angry part of myself, I
joined another board, where only mean, nasty people are allowed to
participate. We send each other horrible, scathing messages, and then
I log off and get on MAGIC!, having gotten everything out of my system.
And you know what? I think I'll just forget about that twenty.
Msg #13356 Dated 19:01:46 08-09-91 13355 <--> 13382
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PEOPLE
But not about the _other_ fifteen you owe me.
Msg #13357 Dated 19:06:52 08-09-91 13338 <--> 13376
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ROBIN BOLTMAN
I never said , nor implied, that Boltman's bravery had or has
anything to do with his being a magician nor of his being an enter-
tainer, but that doesn't alter the fact that he is one. I would
suggest however, that live performers, of which Boltman is one do
exhibit a certain amount of "bravery" when they mount the platform.
I have seen those who's line of work would suggest bravery become
weak in the knees at the mere thought of getting up in front of an
audience and saying three words. I am proud of being in the entertain
ment business and proud of many I have "served" with. The fact that
I show pride in his accomplishments because I can relate to him is
personal with me and because we (Boltman and I) share certain
interests.
Msg #13358 Dated 19:07:03 08-09-91 13352 <--> 13359
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I was thinking that 59 coins would be a lot to steal. I guess if
you added a few more dimes and less pennies it might be managable.
I've been thinking about a tapestry bill and seems like I remember
seeing a guy with a shirt that had bills of different denominations
printed on it. Maybe get some of the cloth if it's still avail and
cut a bill out and fray the edges so that when you pulled the thread
out it would appear to be fraying. Too much for me, though I might
check around for some of the material next time I'm at the fabric
wearhouse. A thought.
Msg #13359 Dated 19:59:54 08-09-91 13255 <--> 13365
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
To expand the thought a bit, perhaps you could keep the coil in a
thumbtip, and have a bill with a hundred on one side, and a one on the
other. When you roll the bill around the tip, do it so the $100 is
outward. Then pull the coil out. As you unroll the bill, putting the
thumb tip back on, you turn the bill around. This way you could say
that when you remove the thread, the bill is only worth a dollar. Now
roll the dollar into a cone around the tip. Say the great thing you've
discovered is that they use too much thread. You only need a little
bit of the coil to turn it back into a hundred. Tear off about 6
inches, and stuff it back into the tip, loading the tip back on as you
turn the bill back around to show it is now a hundred. Tell them to
keep the rest of the thread/coil, in order to turn a few other ones
into hundreds, if they want!
If this would work, you could probably do it with a borrowed $100, and
switch it for the double sided bill under cover of pocketing the bill
during a joke.
I don't know, I was just thinking about it today, and this way, it
seems to go someplace and come back.
Msg #13360 Dated 20:06:45 08-09-91 13285 <--> 13449
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Hi Cy! Great to see you on board!
Msg #13361 Dated 20:26:01 08-09-91 13209 <--> 13362
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Take Mastercharge and Visa? I can't GET Mastercharge and Visa!
Msg #13362 Dated 20:26:37 08-09-91 13242 <--> 13371
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Done.
Msg #13363 Dated 20:28:13 08-09-91 13214 <--> 13364
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I think fraud has largely to do with intent. As an example, I am not
a Christian -- but I assume that most minister and priests, subscribing
to a body of belief I do not share, are sincere -- and that when they
pass the collection plate and offer up prayers it is with honest
inent. Mst -- not all.
There are many who believe that Tarot readings are fraud; since I
have been reading Tarot for over thirty years, and think that what I wo
with it is valuable and useful work -- a view shared by my querents --
am I, in your view, committing fraud, because you don't accept my
belief system?
Again, there are hustlers in all fields; there are even poeple, I am
told, who buy some magic apparatus and then think it is not fraud to
call themselves magicians...hard to believe, I know, but true. I
repeat that most of the people I know in the New Age are sincere;
certainly I don't share all their beliefs, nor they mine -- but that
has nothing to do with the question of fraud at all.
Msg #13364 Dated 20:33:42 08-09-91 13217 <--> 13433
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
More than one religion has started that way...
Msg #13365 Dated 20:39:36 08-09-91 13320 <--> 13373
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Didn't Magic Inc., back when it was Ireland's, use to sell a dropper
that held a stack of 45 pennies?
Msg #13367 Dated 20:44:37 08-09-91 13332 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CLAYTON RAWSON
The Towne books were also detective novels, Diavolo being the
magician-detective hero. There's a contribution from "Towne", I
believe, in The Jinx.
Msg #13368 Dated 20:46:09 08-09-91 13342 <--> 13399
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
I'm sorry, did you misunderstand my message? I was simply giving
details of the marketed versions, there was no request for information
regarding your routine.
Msg #13369 Dated 20:45:09 08-09-91 13343 <--> 13541
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEN CARD TRICKS
You're welcome! What about the other 580 or so subscribers out there?
I'm sure at least one or two have something to say! I don't even care
if it isn't quite perfected yet, watching your angles on a computer
screen is EASY!
David (the other one)
Msg #13370 Dated 20:54:39 08-09-91 -> 13374
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: BLACKPOOL
Welcome back Marvin! Trust you and Audrey enjoyed the U.K. Interesting
to hear you made the stop in Blackpool. I thought Russ Meyers and
company put on an excellent show, but would agree that the surroundings
left a lot to desire. The resort is deteriorating and it's prime was in
the past...sort of like the Catskills. Your right, the factory I work
for is about an hour away, near Manchester, so it was convenient for
me. Surprised you stayed in the area that long. Look forward to seeing
you soon and hearing more about your trip.
Msg #13371 Dated 21:18:02 08-09-91 13361 <--> 13372
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
That's good!
Msg #13372 Dated 21:18:05 08-09-91 13362 <--> 13390
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Thanks. The check is in the mail. BTW, the way the east west mail has
been going for me the past couple of weeks, let me know if it doesn't
show up by next Friday.
Msg #13373 Dated 21:18:10 08-09-91 13365 <--> 13377
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Pete suggested the same thing. Seems like I've seen one. Did it have
finger clips on it like the Keller Half Dollar dropper? Something
like that would be easy enough to make up using brass tubing, brass
spring stock and a little silver solder.
Msg #13374 Dated 21:18:17 08-09-91 13370 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: BLACKPOOL
Yes, from me too, Marvin. Welcome home and back to MAGIC! I've got
to go on the road next week for a few days and will be offline myself
for a few days unless I can rustle up a terminal while I'm in
Nashville. Maybe I'll take a modem and some software so I can sign
on from the studio. Surely MCA has a computer somewhere in the
building. We'll see.
Msg #13376 Dated 22:18:12 08-09-91 13357 <--> 13454
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROBIN BOLTMAN
I'm told that the number 2 fear for most people is public speaking,
number one, of course, is death.
But I agree with you - Magician/hero Boltman is to be honor for saving
the lives of hundreds of people. Who cares if he did card flourishes
while acting as temporary captain?
Msg #13377 Dated 22:21:53 08-09-91 13334 <--> 13378
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Actually, there are no serial numbers on U.S. currency. Those are
their social security numbers.
Msg #13378 Dated 22:23:09 08-09-91 13335 <--> 13379
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
BINGO!, Stan! I think you have a THIRD effect going here! That one is
a knockout!
Msg #13379 Dated 22:24:58 08-09-91 13337 <--> 13380
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I'm not exactly sure how the turning "upside down" creates a gap. What
shapes are the four pieces? Is one of the cuts angled?
There is also a possible alternative idea in your suggestion, not
topological - a borrowed bill is shown and some thread extracted. It
then comes apart into four pieces. Then reassemble it with the gap and
extract the penny. Reassemble it and "suture" it using the thread and
return in, restored, to the owner.
Msg #13380 Dated 22:30:25 08-09-91 13345 <--> 13381
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Alright -- ponder this one. You take a mage who is mad at the world.
Cut him into four pieces...
When you gonna get over this funk, Biroman?
Msg #13381 Dated 22:33:12 08-09-91 13359 <--> 13400
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Smmoth and relatively easy... nice idea, Michael! A pause as I'm
typing... I'm still looking at your message on the screen and it keeps
getting better and better.
Msg #13382 Dated 22:35:19 08-09-91 13322 <--> 13762
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PEOPLE
It's great to have you back, Marvin. Yes, we do have a lot of new
members here on MAGIC! and the list keeps growing everyday. Randy Lund
is at the Abbotts Convention and arranged to have a flyer about MAGIC!
placed in _every_ _registration_ _packet_. Dante Larsen has been
running comp ads for us. Stan Allen thinks we will be mentioned in the
first issue of MAGIC - The Independent Magazine for Magicians.
Your continued support is appreciated. MAGIC! would not be the same
without you.
Msg #13383 Dated 22:39:22 08-09-91 13353 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LONDON
Yeah, Marvin, you missed it! A Russian lady stole Biro's heart. I saw
her in Baltimore and it was easy to understand. If she wasn't a
Russian, she could have been Miss America.
Msg #13385 Dated 22:44:49 08-09-91 13341 <--> 13401
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Sounds like a killer! I gotta see that show! Maybe will check into
airfares to Vegas in October - might have a weekend then.
Msg #13388 Dated 22:48:59 08-09-91 -> 13438
From: GARY PLANTS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CASTLE TRIP
Jerry, I did see you shortly in the Castle, but I was in a four hour
session with Larry Jennings and could not get up at time I saw you. We
had a really good time. Hope things are going well with you. Talk to
you later.
Msg #13389 Dated 22:50:59 08-09-91 -> 13403
From: GARY PLANTS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FARO BOX
OK Tabby, what did you find out about the faro box????
Msg #13390 Dated 22:50:15 08-09-91 13361 <--> 13410
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Precisely the reason to take 'em, T A! I think I've still got that
preapproved MasterCharge form that was sent to one of my aliases - it
was not one of those debit deals - legit. If it is still around, you
want me to send it to you? 'Course, you will have to change your name
to Stephan Valopchnik.
Msg #13391 Dated 22:51:50 08-09-91 -> 13404
From: GARY PLANTS
To: ALL
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
I am interested in any good gambling tricks, routines, tips, etc. Any
help out there? Lets keep it to cards and dice.
Msg #13396 Dated 23:01:19 08-09-91 -> 13458
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DAVID VANVRANKEN
Just had a very nice visit with David VanVranken, his wife Kay, and
their son Benjamin.
They were here on their way to a weekend vacation.
David brought a GIFT to MAGIC! - the long-term loan of a 60-Meg
industrial strength tape backup system! That is going to make a big
difference around here! THANKS, DAVID (the other one!)!
Msg #13399 Dated 23:09:25 08-09-91 13368 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: NEW THREAD
No, I know that... no problem, just that someone named the actual
routine and I was hoping to -- you know.... keep it.... remember,
I am in a bad mood this week....
Msg #13400 Dated 23:09:31 08-09-91 13380 <--> 13417
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Never I hope... it is too much fun/////\\\\\
Msg #13401 Dated 23:09:35 08-09-91 13385 <--> 13405
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Take the train.
Msg #13403 Dated 23:09:44 08-09-91 13389 <--> 13455
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: FARO BOX
Tell me first....
Msg #13404 Dated 23:09:48 08-09-91 13391 <--> 13456
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Golly, I got so much stuff don't know where to start... also Byron
Walker (Books, gaffs, etc.) You gotta hit the SF BAY AREA....
Msg #13405 Dated 23:18:29 08-09-91 13401 <--> 13931
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Take the train? Copperfield already did that one.
Msg #13406 Dated 23:19:38 08-09-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: BIRO'S MOOD
Pete is in the wilds of Nevada - no kidding, not Las Vegas or Tahoe,
the dude is up where there ain't no civilization. Best hotel in town
is a truck stop. He can only call in when someone else isn't using
_the_ line. And he's got to work a 12 hour shoot in 110 degree weather.
And he ain't a happy camper.
How about we all send him a message or two to try and cheer him up?
Msg #13409 Dated 23:33:45 08-09-91 -> 13412
From: BARRY GITELSON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HAWAII
When is FISM in Tokyo? You do know that we are on the Big Island of
Hawaii and not on the island of Oahu. I would be happy to give you
guys a tour of the island. By the way Pete....I learned the pingpong
ball on the nose from you at a lecture ...in Nashville I think it was
....and I use the silly thing all the time....kids and adults love it.
Msg #13410 Dated 23:42:05 08-09-91 13361 <--> 13415
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
T.A. you mean the Castle hasn't given you your
corporate Mastercard yet?
Msg #13411 Dated 23:54:58 08-09-91 13333 <--> 13414
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: THE MAGICIAN
Unfortunately not...While I must admit that I feel that I am a very
good magician in my right (hope I don't sound conceited), I frankly
could never live up to AB's tv repute.
Msg #13412 Dated 0:01:28 08-10-91 13409 <--> 13545
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HAWAII
Pete wants to bring the group to the Big Island. Wants to show us his
version of Virgin into Volcano.
Msg #13413 Dated 23:56:48 08-09-91 13327 <--> 13441
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
While I did some writing for the Love Boat (revision-re-write work) I
am not the one and the same. Credits always list me as Anthony Blake
(as do my credits when I do an acting job). I presume that the Dirty
Dozen you speak of is either the mini-series/movie-of-the-week or the
weekly FOX series of a few seasons past. Again, I did not write for
them...as a comic the bulk of my writing has been concentrated in
sit-coms and variety television specials and for other comics, although
I co-wrote a mini-series for Metromedia Producers Corportation ("Leave
Your Tears Behind") and was working on a feature film project based on
the Spencer for Hire type novels with Steve McQueen at the time of his
death, (I did some re-write work for McQueen on "Tom Horn" and "The
Hunter" as well as his very rarely seen screen adaptation of Henrik
Ibsen's "An Enemy of the People" which Steve both produced and
directed).
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #13414 Dated 0:08:48 08-10-91 13250 <--> 13459
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAGICIAN
PALE!....PALE!....I'll have you know that I have a very nice tan!
Msg #13415 Dated 0:36:36 08-10-91 13390 <--> 13416
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
I WAS going to change it to Donald Trump, but that won't work now...
Msg #13416 Dated 0:37:13 08-10-91 13410 <--> 13418
From: T A WATERS
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Well -- no -- but I've got the cutest little business cards.
Msg #13417 Dated 0:37:51 08-10-91 13373 <--> 13419
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I believe Don Alan had a routine for it in CLOSEUP TIME or PRETTY
SNEAKY, in which he described the dropper.
Msg #13418 Dated 0:47:18 08-10-91 13415 <--> 13472
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Skip Trump - go for Sam Walman or Adman Kashogi - oops, wait, Adman
ain't doin' too good either! Maybe better to forget the whole credit
thing - follow MY rules:
o Travel ONLY at night and ONLY by cab.
o Make ALL your calls from payphones.
o ALWAYS take the seat agains the wall with a clear view of the
windows.
o NEVER, never, never, no matter how appealing it may seem at the
time, enter into a partnership to do absolutely anything with
absolutely anyone.
o NEVER invest in anything that breathes, makes doo-doo, or spoils.
Msg #13419 Dated 1:07:11 08-10-91 13373 <--> 13420
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
The Ireland device under discussion was a slim metal tube just the
right diameter to hold a stack of almost fifty U.S. one-cent coins. It
had a hinged cap on its underside (which, I suppose, means it wasn't a
cap...) held in place by pressure. The tube had a clip with which it
could be attached to your belt, concealed by your coat. At the proper
time you could pull open the cap and the coins would slide into your
hand. It was a one-hand operation, and once you had caught the coins on
the first phalange of the fingers the heel of the hand could be used to
hold the stack intact, until the moment the coins were produced when,
of course, you'd kick the stack apart to shower the loose coins.
Msg #13420 Dated 1:10:54 08-10-91 13379 <--> 13421
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
The type of topological item I'm suggesting is known as a
Redistribution Puzzle. One of the better discussions is in Martin
Gardner's "Mathematics, Magic & Mystery," which is still in print.
Msg #13421 Dated 1:14:39 08-10-91 13420 <--> 13423
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
OK, thanks. Will try to locate the Gardner book. I don't have it. I
think I may have some other effects with the same principle in
materials at hand.
Msg #13423 Dated 1:21:12 08-10-91 13351 <--> 13430
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I've been fumbling around with this hypothetical dollar of Stan's and
a pretty nifty green backed FROG can be made with it!
Msg #13426 Dated 1:47:54 08-10-91 13073 <--> 13427
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
The McDonald's on Pine and Kearny in San Francisco's financial
district used to hv a dorman (no kidding)!
Msg #13427 Dated 1:49:19 08-10-91 13160 <--> 13429
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I though that Christian Chelman was lecturing at 3:00! At least,
the Magic Castle Newsletter said he was!
Msg #13428 Dated 1:50:24 08-10-91 13170 <--> 13546
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "STAMP"
Is that Michael Darrin of Les Sorcery fame, and more recently of
Paula Abdul and the Emmys? I remember when they thought he would
never walk again after he got run over by that car -- not too long
after he had an emergency appendectomy!
Msg #13429 Dated 1:51:17 08-10-91 13257 <--> 13431
From: LYNN HEALY
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TRIX
What a great description of the piece of crap! (I'm talking about
that UGLY pig that I heard had been dedicated to Lance Burton -- by
the way, can anyone confirm that? If it's true Lance should sue!)
Msg #13430 Dated 1:51:23 08-10-91 13290 <--> 13460
From: LYNN HEALY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
What if you got some of that graphic arts tape -- the narrow stuff.
I think Letraset and Chartpac produce it in colours now. Then you
can zig-zag it across the bill on the back and maybe when you pull
it off and somehow scrunch the bill up in your other hand a bit it
could look like it unravels for a bit? I can't be sure 'cause I
don't have the stuff to try it with. By the way "scrunch" is a
technical term.
Msg #13431 Dated 2:05:45 08-10-91 13225 <--> 13439
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
What exactly is Kudzu - is it an Israeli plastic explosive or what ?
Msg #13432 Dated 2:05:49 08-10-91 13228 <--> 13434
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Good point, except in many cases it was pretty obvious why they
reacted negatively - it wasn't very good.
Msg #13433 Dated 2:05:54 08-10-91 13244 <--> 13437
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I check the psychic resource guide and let you know. They are a hoot
to attend. There is some pretty bizarre stuff out there.
Msg #13434 Dated 2:05:58 08-10-91 13247 <--> 13440
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
There is also the law of karma and a good bit of luck involved I
would imagine in both music and magic.
Msg #13435 Dated 2:06:03 08-10-91 13292 <--> 13464
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAIL CALL
The ballet was great - the Royal Ballet from London. Last piece was
excellent a modern bit entitled, "Still Life at the Penguin Cafe",
with music by Simon Jeffes. Very surrealistic thoroughly enjoyed it.
Msg #13436 Dated 2:06:07 08-10-91 13326 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: WEEK END
Hey Marvin, welcome back ! I'm headed up to the Roth lecture Sat
and will be at the Wonder brunch Sun. Will plan on next weekend,
probably Sat am as I have a concert for Sat evening. See you then.
Msg #13437 Dated 2:06:12 08-10-91 13363 <--> 13448
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I can certainly agree that fraud has to do with intent. The fact that
a certain evangelist used an ear receiver and was fed info by his
conferates is certainly fraudulent as he was using deception to
prove his ability to communicate directly to 'god'.
.
I too share a belief in the Tarot as a valid means of using the
principle of synchronicity to obtain information. I also agree that
there are many sinceere and talented people associated with the new
age movement, I have met several and am learning a great deal. But
you must admit that the field is ripe for con-men and there are a
lot of people being taken advantage of.
.
There are people that are fraudulent magicians, but I think the
majority are just fascinated by the subject and will get better as
time passes and their skill improves. Most people I have come in
contact who are just starting out admit they are new to the art and
just want to learn all they can, I think we should encourage these
people to the betterment of the art.
Msg #13438 Dated 2:06:29 08-10-91 13388 <--> 13547
From: JERRY BURTON
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: CASTLE TRIP
Sorry I missed you, will catch you next trip. Are you coming to
DMS in March ?
Msg #13439 Dated 2:06:33 08-10-91 13300 <--> 13445
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
If magic is beyond belief, then super-pig is magic ! It was supposed
to have been inspired by Lance Burton or David Cpperfield, I'm not
sure which. It is totally out of place and ruins an otherwise
beautiful entrance. Fortunately, most people don't see it on the way
in, but while you are waiting for your car upon exitting its just
there in all its ugliness.
Msg #13440 Dated 2:06:41 08-10-91 13299 <--> 13444
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
This lady sounds like the ideal critic or judge. That's what we need
more outside input. Reminds me of a story Eugene Burger told in his
lecture about a table hopping magician that did a card trick for a
lady and in the end her chosen card had his name and number etc. on
it.
She smiled and acted really impressed, and the guy left beaming at
his great magic ability. After he left, she proceeded to tear the
card up and toss it in the ashtray, while explaining that he had
forced a card on her and palmed in a duplicate, all of which she saw
as the guy wasn't very good - but she didn't want to hurt his feeling
s. We need to be aware that sometimes adults just don't want to make
us feel bad, that's why kids magic is so tough - they don't know any
better. If you flash to them you are dead meat.
Msg #13441 Dated 3:08:51 08-10-91 -> 13482
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Circle Magic was where I learned my first magic effect at age 11 or so!
It was taught to me by a wonderful man named Mike Tannen. This is a
very fond memory.
Msg #13442 Dated 3:16:02 08-10-91 -> 13476
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BOOK
I have heard you will be publishing soon a compilation of your "Gold
and Grey" ("Y") Books. Is this true. When should it be available and
how may I obtain a copy? Thank s in advance!
Msg #13444 Dated 3:46:57 08-10-91 13440 <--> 13446
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
The trick the table-hopping magician did which the woman found so
transparent was the card to wallet.
Msg #13445 Dated 3:48:33 08-10-91 13427 <--> 13468
From: MAX MAVEN
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: TRIX
Speaking of Christian Chelman, T.A. was correct in his guess -- Chelman
is indeed doing his version of the Victor Bat Trick in his shows this
week (late Close-Up) at the Magic Castle.
Msg #13446 Dated 3:49:37 08-10-91 13432 <--> 13463
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
The general reason may be obvious, but there are often details worth
finding out about; you could be surprised.
Msg #13447 Dated 4:40:35 08-10-91 -> 13465
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Abbotts - Day 3
.
We went to the under 21 talent contest this morning and given
the recent discussions on contests I wasn't going to comment,
but after seeing it I do want to make three comments.
.
First the future of magic is secure. Several of the young people
were super.
.
Second, one in particular caught my attention because his act,
unlike all other talent contest acts and ALL other professional
acts had a coherency to it. It was staged in an attic with 2x
props and the youth (about 18) played a smaller child. In the
attic was an old and much too large tux and magic props. As
kids are bound to do he put on the tux and picked up the wand
and things began to happen. Little things at first then larger
and all to this kids amazement and surprise. The act ends with
his mother call and like all kids with their hand in the cookie
jar he scrambles out of the tux and off stage. A 10 minute mini
play.
.
The last comment really applies to all of the magi performers,
but I only realized it while watching item 2. The formula for
doing a magic show is identical (with some minor variations) for
almost all the acts. Most (100% at the talent contest and about
80% of the pro's at Abbotts) do a mime act to music only. Most
(All but one of the pro's at Abbotts and all but this one kid)
mindlessly produce a series of miracles with no underlying
substance. They may do it very well, like Brett Daniels from
thursday night, or they may be journeymen like Mercer Helms
who performed tonite, but in the end the act is a series of
disconnected illusions produced solely for you amazement. The
folks with patter do somewhat better at this, but not much.
.
At anyrate, on to todays happenings.
.
The lecture was by Karrel Fox who presented 8-10 tricks all of
which were simple and could be done with common items so he
didn't hawk his wares. Neither did he do a terribly good job.
I understand he is a good magician so maybe indifference
explains it, but he flashed almost every trick during the
presentation of the effect. The fumbling looked more like me
than a seasoned pro. I would like to see him really go at it,
because he has wonderful stage presence and I am sure could do
a fine job.
.
Today was the close up show with four close up acts. all from
Michigan. These people were presented as restaurant
entertainers and any could come to my table anytime. Each 10
minute exercise (all with patter) has humor and magic in almost
equal mix and while the styles were different the results were
not. All did a fine job.
.
The evenings entertainment was hosted by my old friend Terry
Seabrooke who should stick to being an MC and give up
lectures. As MC he was funny and even had kid up on stage
helping him without the abuse presented at the lecture.
.
The first act was Mercer Helms, who presented an
undistinguished journeyman like act of very standard effects.
Ho Hum................
.
Next up was Dave Zimmerman and my how things change. His
act was about a portable hole (the pro exception to contest
comment 2). Items such as golf balls and all sorts of stuff went
in and/or out of a portable hole which is to be a new invention
on the market. Need a hole, buy one sized to fit. Golfing and
going to miss your put, no problem put down a portable hole
drag it to where you need it. Very funny and very well done.
.
Dave was followed by Vito Lupo. Vito did a very classy act
producing doves and silks and cards etc. Classy, but not new.
By the way Vito is to be todays lecturer.
.
Bob Bloenk followed intermission and I hesitate to call him a
magi. 75% of his act was music sing along, but done with a
backdrop of Elvis' mother misunderstanding him and giving him
a guitar instead of the magic kit he wanted. All this lead to
rock and roll, the beatles the decline of the family etc. etc. etc.
Humorous and entertaining. The last quarter of his act was his
impression of Elvis if he became a magician instead of a rock
star. The performance proved the point. By the way, Bob is a
school assistant principal, not a full time performer.
.
David Seebach and Company closed the show with stage style
illusions. Five were presented. "Behind the Scenes" (which
Harry Blackstone presented the night before), "Stretching Lady"
, "Assistants Revenge" and one I don't know the name of where
a small box, maybe 12" cubed is on a larger thin table. It is
unfolded to a larger box a girl gets in vanishes when the box is
folded up and upon reenlarging appears again in a different
costume. The other one I don't know the name of the girl gets
into a cabinet and three boxes, one square, one round and one
triangle are shoved thru along with several rods and apparently
the girl vanishes. Very effective.
.
One more report to go....still no performance by Jim, Vic and
Shag.
Msg #13448 Dated 4:50:56 08-10-91 13217 <--> 13462
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
This is so true, and there is not much one can do about these "The true
Guru". The Beatles went through it. And what about Doug Henning and
the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? I think most of us miss Doug. But Sai Baba
uses slight of hand to con people. To bad!
Msg #13449 Dated 5:11:05 08-10-91 13243 <--> 13466
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
I have a copy of this Supreme Court's decision. If anyone wants a
copy, I'll be happy to supply you one. Send self addressed stamped
envelope and 25 cents (to pay for copy and handling) to: Manny Weltman
P.O. Box 2184 Van Nuys, Ca 91404.
Msg #13453 Dated 8:31:36 08-10-91 13317 <--> 14600
From: SCOTT WELLS
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SPRING FAN
I purchased two of those fans (a left and right spring loaded fan) back
then and I still use them occasionally for publicity shots. As I
recall, I purchased them from Bob Little, the Wiz from Hatboro.
Msg #13454 Dated 8:48:01 08-10-91 13376 <--> 13485
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROBIN BOLTMAN
After I put that reply up to Max's absolutism I got to
laughing about how he did it to me again.
Msg #13455 Dated 8:48:05 08-10-91 13389 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: FARO BOX
I'll call you sometime today and tell you about it!
Msg #13456 Dated 8:48:09 08-10-91 13391 <--> 14835
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
I just picked up A. Walsh's _Dice Dexterity_ and T. Osborne's_Poker
Demonstration_. Is there any good stuff in there. I was reading
Osborne's booklet last night, but found it kinda hard to follow. Have
you messed with it?
Msg #13458 Dated 8:48:22 08-10-91 13396 <--> 13487
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID VANVRANKEN
A 60 Meg tape backup!!! On long term loan. That's great news. David
VanVranken definately qualifies for a good guy award. When do you
think you'll have it online?
Msg #13459 Dated 8:48:28 08-10-91 13414 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: THE MAGICIAN
You know what I meant.
Msg #13460 Dated 8:48:32 08-10-91 13417 <--> 13461
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Seems like I remember having PRETTY SNEAKY in the booklet stacks
somewhere. I'll have to send my book dog in search of it. Here boy,
sniff this.
Msg #13461 Dated 8:48:37 08-10-91 13419 <--> 13494
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Sounds simple enough to make up. Was it open on the top?
Msg #13462 Dated 8:48:41 08-10-91 13433 <--> 13474
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
OK, check it out and lemme know. I'd like to see what the hub-bub
is all about. Should be some _bizarre_ fun!
Msg #13463 Dated 8:48:46 08-10-91 13434 <--> 13532
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
A man told me that it's not what you know, but who you know and how
you know them and that we make our own luck.
Msg #13464 Dated 8:48:51 08-10-91 13435 <--> 13495
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAIL CALL
The _Royal Ballet_ sounds great. Last bit of entertainment we had
in Charlotte Hall was the installation of our third traffic light.
Entertainment caused by the _rednecks_ skidding to a stop, crashing
into each other, etc. News last week said that on any given weekend
night in St. Maries county that 60% of the drivers are over the
legal alcohol limit. There are three bars for evry church here. That
puts the bartender to preacher ratio the highest in the USA. With
all the burgularies going on around here the DA has suggested that
homeowners take the law into their own hands and no prosecutions
would be made against homeowners who use lethal force defending
their property. No kidding. Talk about surrealism.
Msg #13465 Dated 8:49:03 08-10-91 13447 <--> 13483
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Who were the table hopping magicians, Randy. Don't recall if you
mentioned their names?
Msg #13466 Dated 8:49:08 08-10-91 13449 <--> 13940
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Hi Manny,
Great talking to you the other night on the phone. I've really
enjoyed your work in Genii of late. I'll give you a call when I
come out west in the fall....
Msg #13468 Dated 9:59:35 08-10-91 13426 <--> 13469
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: TRIX
Remind me to tell you a funny (I think) story about a visit we made to
an S.F. McDonalds. Too long to type.
Msg #13469 Dated 10:01:10 08-10-91 13427 <--> 13470
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: TRIX
The Castle newsletter lies. Seriously, I checked with at least two
official sources at the Castle and NEITHER had a lecture scheduled for
August 11th.
Msg #13470 Dated 10:02:31 08-10-91 13429 <--> 13471
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: TRIX
Not exactly - the artists said it was "inspired by Lance Burton." I
think it was Wayne who said "possibly inspired by Lance Burton seeing
a car wreck." There was a report that one afternoon a luxury car drove
up the driveway, Lance Burton or someone who looked very much like him
jumped out and stood ner the statue while a lady jumped out the other
side and took a picture. Then both jumped back in the car and the car
roared off.
Msg #13471 Dated 10:05:10 08-10-91 13431 <--> 13473
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Kudzu is a plant, I believe it is originally from the Orient. It was
brought to the Southeast United States to control erosion. The stuff
can grow MORE THAN A FOOT A DAY. It will grow up phone poles, it will
take over trees, if you stand still for a few minutes it will enclose
you.
Msg #13472 Dated 10:23:48 08-10-91 13418 <--> 13489
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Certainly the partnership thing has a point -- the great majority of
businesses and projects fail not because of outside factors but because
of disagreements between partners.
Msg #13473 Dated 10:29:07 08-10-91 13471 <--> 13478
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
There's a terrific story in the Dark Forces anthology, concerning just
what it is that lives in the kudzu...
Msg #13474 Dated 10:31:52 08-10-91 13437 <--> 13475
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Indeed the New Age movement is ripe for con men (and women!) -- but of
course so is politics -- and construction projects -- and
insurance...in terms of the number of people victimized by frauds and
cons, I'd think New Age hucksters would be pretty far down the list.
Msg #13475 Dated 10:33:57 08-10-91 13448 <--> 13531
From: T A WATERS
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I think we should make a clear differention between a meditation
teacher (which is what the Maharishi is, after all) and someone like
Sai Baba. We don't think all Christian clergy are like Jim and Tammy
Bakker, do we?....do we?
Msg #13476 Dated 10:36:21 08-10-91 13442 <--> 14660
From: T A WATERS
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: BOOK
It is indeed true that I am doing a compilation -- not just the gold
and gray series, but also the Mindscripts, the T.A.R.O.T. book, and New
Thoughts For Old; all together about 210,000 words. I have revised the
material quite a bit and made some additions. Right now we are
completing the new illustrations and the book should (he optimistically
said) be available by the end of the year. I will post a message when
it is in existence.
Msg #13478 Dated 11:19:08 08-10-91 13300 <--> 13479
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: TRIX
I'm sorry you'll have to, Tommy.
'W.
Msg #13479 Dated 11:21:20 08-10-91 13429 <--> 13480
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: TRIX
Sure, Lance should sue.
I believe the thing to be ugly enough for Pork Pig to sue!!!!
'W.
Msg #13480 Dated 11:23:14 08-10-91 13473 <--> 13491
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Now that (Kudzu story in Dark Forces) sounds VERY interesting. Can you
give me a complete citation? Thanks.
Msg #13482 Dated 11:32:12 08-10-91 13328 <--> 13549
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Good move, Evan. I envy your seeing it for the first time. Enjoy.
'W.
Msg #13483 Dated 11:30:32 08-10-91 13447 <--> 13499
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Great - thanks for the report, Randy. Your others are already in
Europe and heading around the World. The small box unfolded, etc. that
Seeback and Company did is Jim Steinmeyer's Origami (let's hope it is
not a stolen clone!). One thing, if possible -- GET THE NAME OF THE
KID who did the attic bit! It sounds like we should know more about
him. Heck, if you've got spare time and can find him, interview him
for a special report here! Serious -- any info on him would be
appreciated.
Msg #13487 Dated 11:44:25 08-10-91 13458 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DAVID VANVRANKEN
It will be a few days - want to test off-line, etc. Also, a guy who
isn't even a member - Wayne Kaufman - no relation to Richard - just
donated an Uninterruptable Power Supply to MAGIC! It will help bridge
the gap between the line power and the generator.
Msg #13488 Dated 11:43:58 08-10-91 13338 <--> 13492
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ROBIN BOLTMAN
Perhaps it does have something to do with his being a magician, Max.
With all the talk on here of late regarding the low esteem that magi
seem to be held in by the public, Mr. Boltman may have taken a step in
helping to rectify the seemingly negative image of magic and magi.
I hope so.
'W.
Msg #13489 Dated 11:46:46 08-10-91 13472 <--> 13937
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Yeah! Tell me about it! My one and only parnership KILLED a major
project. It is the one I've previously referred to - Le affaire de la
montre $60,000."
Msg #13491 Dated 12:02:19 08-10-91 13479 <--> 13493
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: TRIX
If we hit the Maryland Lottery for the 20 million tonight tell the
artist I'll give him double what Milt did. I still think it would
look cool out by the studio/shop/barn. Maybe it doesn't fit in with
the Victorian image of the Magic Castle, but it would work here, plus
you guys would be rid of it.
Msg #13493 Dated 14:05:12 08-10-91 13491 <--> 13500
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Double what Milt paid would add up to about a dollar. You'd need the
rest of the twenty million for the UPS charges, though.
'W.
Msg #13494 Dated 15:09:23 08-10-91 13381 <--> 13497
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Proving, once again, great minds think alike! Bob Elliott is the one
who showed me the mini coils. Would they be available through Dave
Cresey? I tried the double faced bill idea, and creating the cone and
unrolling it later does create the change!
By the way, congratulations on the move to subscription! The check is
in the mail, and good luck with acquiring the new hardware!
Msg #13495 Dated 15:24:37 08-10-91 13435 <-
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAIL CALL
Hannah and I attended their production of SWAN LAKE here in Austin last
week. We passed on the option to see the 3 short pieces, as they
sounded a bit abstract! Thanks, by the way, for the articles. I
assume that the return address on the package is good for you, as I
sent you a little goodie. Enjoy!
Msg #13497 Dated 16:24:11 08-10-91 13494 <--> 13540
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Thank you for the subscription and for your continued support of
MAGIC!, Michael. Your "behind the scenes" work is also very much
appreciated.
I don't know who carries the thumb-tip coils. I saw 'em at IBM and was
foolish enough NOT to buy some. Maybe someone on here has a source?
If not, I have a paper shredder and with the right paper we could make
our own! Easier (and cheaper) to buy though!
Msg #13499 Dated 18:00:46 08-10-91 13447 <--> 13551
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
I would hope by your comments on the kid-in-the-attic act you are not
equating coherency with overt storyline. I fully agree, most magic acts
have no underlying concept, and are not much more than a jumble of
effects done for their own sake, but creating a playlet is but one of
many solutions.
The Sysop has already identified the Origami Box. The illusion using
geometric tubes has been marketed under a variety of names; it is
generically known, in backstage slang, as the Cookie Cutter.
When you refer to "Behind the Scenes" do you mean the Backstage
illusion?
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