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Msg #14500 Dated 4:21:34 08-15-91 14493 <--> 14501
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
The "lecture" was a popular performance art on the Lyceum Circuit.
Msg #14501 Dated 4:21:38 08-15-91 14412 <--> 14502
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Well, I'm going to query the lecture field for the MCCM and get all
this stuff straight up front. Who wants what. This has been a great
exercise in _heat_ for the magic conclave producer. We're looking
4ward to your appearance likewise. Talk to you later.
Msg #14502 Dated 4:21:44 08-15-91 14421 <--> 14556
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
You go to listen - I go to learn. Halls in Tennessee are controlled
by the promoter. It is an "open shop" state.
Msg #14507 Dated 6:06:33 08-15-91 14402 <--> 14558
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LECTURES
The Roth Lecture was $25 in advance and $35 at the door. I believe his
book which I unfortunately do not own is in that range.
The Day of Magic seminar was - I believe $40 in advance and I don't
remember how much at the door. Compared to Roth or Castle lectures
they were mini-lectures except for Johnny Ace Palmers which was a two
part lecture. I have never been to a $5 or $10 lecture only the two
above have I paid admission for. (Castle lectures are of course free.)
So in my limited experience of attending lectures they DO cost about
the same as a book.
Msg #14508 Dated 6:29:56 08-15-91 14473 <--> 14542
From: STAN LAKE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I guess I am asking for more than I should expect to receive from a
lecture. That is why I've decided not to attend any more lectures that
charge a fee that I don't think I'll get my moneys worth out of. As
the years roll by and I will have read the works of the experts in our
field and I will have specific questions to ask, then it would be worth
it to fill in the gaps of my knowledge. Right now I can learn a lot
more from books and my audiences reactions than I can from lectures.
Msg #14509 Dated 7:52:08 08-15-91 -> 14581
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I used to go to SciFi conventions once in a while when
they happened to be nearby. I have seen some of the well known
writers, but never Harlan.
Msg #14510 Dated 7:52:19 08-15-91 -> 14511
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I have always thought that "KUDZU the Konjuror" would play very well
in certain parts of the country. You might say, "It kinda creeps up
on ya"...
Msg #14511 Dated 7:52:30 08-15-91 -> 14520
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I guess Kudzu is REAL plant magic.
Msg #14512 Dated 7:52:36 08-15-91 -> 14730
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LAWYERS
That is one helluva wide bumper!
Msg #14513 Dated 7:52:42 08-15-91 -> 14534
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I believe you are correct in saying they don't want to be called be-g
inners. After all, they have been in magic for years, why should
they know the classic palm. A more successful route (particularly in
the case of a lecturer who depends heavily on sleights such as David
Roth or a cardician, might be "Private" Lessons. Although usually
billed as private, such sessions are really group lessons. A dozen
or so people around a table. This was the approach often used by
Slydini. I think a large group situation will be difficult to bring
off with teaching moves.
Msg #14514 Dated 7:53:17 08-15-91 -> 14585
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
I got the final issue of Inside Magic and also my bonus booklet for
subscribing to the new magazine. My Linking Ring even finally got
here last week.
Msg #14515 Dated 7:53:23 08-15-91 -> 14528
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
No! You gave away a Lionel Smoker!! Didya know that Roger Ray is big
time into model trains as in Lionel? I also "dumped" my comic books
during a major move in the mid '50s. I had hundreds of them
including most of the early Batman, Superman, and other Action comics
all in mint condition. I sold them to kids in the neighbor for $1 a
huge box and felt lucky to get that.
Now - I am constantly told that I don't throw anything away!
Msg #14516 Dated 7:53:34 08-15-91 -> 14627
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
Are you indigent yet? You have to be in order to get $ from the
Fleming Fund.
Like I keep telling you...submit your phone expenses!
Msg #14517 Dated 7:53:43 08-15-91 -> 14519
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I know it wasn't "Behind the Fridge". I think there was an Evening
someplace in there. However, they did NOT do the bit with the trap
door in the National Theatre in Washington when I saw them.
Msg #14519 Dated 7:54:11 08-15-91 -> 14531
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
No they did not. I saw them in the National Theatre in Washington,
DC. Maybe they wouldn't let them cut a trap.
Msg #14520 Dated 7:54:23 08-15-91 -> 14523
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
I can't thread back in IMP, and I 4get what in God's Green Earth you
could possibly be talking about...I probably meant MOOD as I did not
recall anything involving a MOO. However, if Bovine is better, so be
it.
Msg #14521 Dated 7:54:32 08-15-91 -> 14605
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "STAMP"
I thought that was just the excuse you were using so you could get
closer to Olga's chest.
The program does allow larger type, however, so many of your brethen
lumpens want The World's Greatest", The Amazing, and The Great tacked
on to their names that can't be used. We have to make 'em all the
same type when we print the entire batch.
Msg #14522 Dated 7:54:48 08-15-91 -> 14631
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
Wouldn't it have been a lot cheaper if you were returning on Sunday?
Cy is an old friend and I just thought you might clue him in to the
scene in Vegas if you or Jay isn't gonna stick around.
Msg #14523 Dated 7:54:59 08-15-91 -> 14524
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Those guys only talk up their sleeves!
Msg #14524 Dated 7:55:07 08-15-91 -> 14526
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
The kitchen staff doesn't like the presidents visit because they got
Feds in there during his entire visit. Also they get the most severe
security check of anyone in the restaurant and the entire preparation
of his food is watched by the SS. Just think a minute what the most
common employment is for illegal aliens and I think you will see one
more reason they don't get thrilled about his visits.
Msg #14525 Dated 7:55:24 08-15-91 -> 14527
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I thought he was prematurely bald and wore brown mascara.
Msg #14526 Dated 7:55:29 08-15-91 -> 14582
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Maybe you are changing to Kudzu...either that or you have mistakenly
activated your protochorophyl cells.
Msg #14527 Dated 7:55:35 08-15-91 -> 14532
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Tubular to the max...man!
Msg #14528 Dated 7:55:40 08-15-91 -> 14587
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
I DID keep the other house! Much longer than I would have liked. An
empty room in the Fed Govt is a very short lived entity. Someone
will put something there and lay claim to the place almost
immediately. You must have been there at a certain phase of the moon
.
Msg #14529 Dated 7:55:54 08-15-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WONDER LUNCH...
Sounds like a lot of boloney (sic) to me!
Msg #14530 Dated 7:56:01 08-15-91 14021 <--> 14671
From: BILL WELLS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I don't know what your goals are in magic, but I would recommend that
you spend time being very selective about what you want to learn in
the way of effects to perform. Other than self entertainment, you do
not necessarily need to be able to perform that many effects. Select
a few good effects, perform them well and you will likely enjoy more
success than if you do 50 tricks poorly. Also be sure to get away
from that mirror and with some real people as soon as you can. Use
family or friends if need be, but the real work and timing can only
come with working for people. If you have a video, taping yourself
is also a good approach. Just think...if you weren't so dedicated
you might have been our first "lumpenette"! Good Luck!!
Msg #14531 Dated 7:56:30 08-15-91 14029 <--> 14595
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Maybe I should have said...a star of the same magnitude as Dudley
Moore. Peter Cook is a star in my book, but I don't think that many
of the comdicalumpen would know his name.
Msg #14532 Dated 7:56:41 08-15-91 14055 <--> 14540
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
If they still sell those droppers, please have him bring about 3 or 4
for me and give them to Joe to bring with him to New Mexico. Letme
know how much and I will add it to your phone vouchers.
Msg #14533 Dated 7:56:48 08-15-91 14063 <--> 14552
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T
I thought Pete was drinking prune juice for this problem.
Msg #14534 Dated 7:56:58 08-15-91 14116 <--> 14537
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You continue to awaken memories...
Many years ago when I was in elementary school (a rather small
rural Virginia school) there was an assembly program featuring a
magician. I was enthralled by the performance and was one of the
lucky kids chosen to help carry props out to his vehicle after the
show. I excitedly explained that I had a Mysto Magic Set AND a
Strathmore Magic Table Set and was working on being a magician. The
gentleman was kind enough to give me the address of Douglas Magicland
from whom I might order magic through the mail. He also explained to
me that he had just had a book published but that it would be too ad-
vanced for me. His wife Lilian opened the car trunk and he removed
one from the pile and put it in my hands...it was, of course, the
first edition of Bobo's Modern Coin Magic. I think I now have about
four copies of the book..one of which has almost fallen apart.
Msg #14535 Dated 7:57:38 08-15-91 14155 <--> 15044
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR WIRE
I like "Bizzarites" better...or if you sing, "Jerry and the
Bizarettes"
Msg #14536 Dated 7:57:43 08-15-91 14176 <--> 14618
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEWS
Sounds like your typical Blue Gold Banquet.
Msg #14537 Dated 7:57:48 08-15-91 14215 <--> 14544
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I am sure you meant ALL the Slydini books and not just Slydini's
coins through the table. I think it might be important for Cindy to
establish some goal(s) regarding the coin magic. What kind of
routine does she wish to do?
Msg #14538 Dated 7:58:01 08-15-91 14237 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TURTLES
Is that "warts and all" ?...so to speak.
Msg #14539 Dated 7:58:22 08-15-91 14335 <--> 14639
From: MICHAEL OVERLY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INFORMATION
It is my understanding that in addition to the normal castle library
there is a second library of (comedy?) material located adjacent to the
castle--that is what the article was about. The article does, however,
mention the castle. Can't remember which day it was in, but definitely
within the last week in the View section. By the time I went looking
for the article, my wife had thrown it out.
Msg #14540 Dated 7:59:06 08-15-91 -> 14633
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
What are you talking about? I was talking about using a plastic coin
tube as a load or dropper for a stack of coins (also of use if you are
making a cup loader to produce a stack of coins in a cup routine). Wat
is this AKA Magic Inc in Ireland stuff and buying the trick
legitimately?? stuff. I ain't talking about a particular trick and I
AM NOT doing anything illegal. Did you mean to send this to someone
else?? Please explain or I will have you banned to Siberia immediately
(Opps...change that to someplace else...I forgot about Olga).
Msg #14542 Dated 8:12:04 08-15-91 14452 <--> 14546
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Thanks, Max... hadn't kept the schedule. Saw him there last year,
but wanted to take the guys I work for... but opted to see Lance,
(since I had not seen the new show) and was loved by all.
Interestingly, the layman LOVED the show, but during it said things
like (twice) "I can see a MIRROR under the table the girls are
coming out of" -- (it was wobbling) -- and had I had a chance to
be alone with Lance I would have told him -- I WILL THIS COMING
WEEK. I forget the other item the guy noted... oh, just remembered,
he said he could see the slit in the backdrop for Lance's backstage
effect!
Msg #14543 Dated 8:12:16 08-15-91 14453 <--> 14882
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Will be writing him today, thanks Max... hope he is on the mend.
Msg #14544 Dated 8:12:21 08-15-91 14456 <--> 14550
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY CONCLAVE
Hopefully you have retained the Turkey Recipe... but don't mention
cooking Turkey around Lance... he is on a crusade of breeding and
preserving the rare White Turkey!
Msg #14545 Dated 8:12:28 08-15-91 14458 <--> 14578
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: JAPAN
First thing getting ready for FISM, is to sign up for my tour. Wait
until the formal announcment and itinerary is set.
,.
To start an informal survey... HIS IS FOR ALL... what kind of side
trips are of interest? Hawaii, Hong Kong? Lets let MAGIC! help to
set the trip...
Msg #14546 Dated 8:12:37 08-15-91 14461 <--> 14548
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
According to Maven-san, they will now have to zip up to Lake Tahoe.
Which is nice this time of year... and not as hot as Vegas. When I
was in LV last week it was 107----haaaaaargggghhhhh
Msg #14547 Dated 8:12:43 08-15-91 14462 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER
Re: VCR ALERT
I saw the last half of the show... I love John's production from
the clear sheet of wrap! Sorry I didn't catch it all as I was out
for the evening. Tommy... when are you coming back to SF?
Msg #14548 Dated 8:12:49 08-15-91 14463 <--> 14553
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
What makes you think magic isn't impressing the public? Gee... look
at the allied arts, like ventriloquism and juggling... How many
of them have full evening shows touring for TOP Dinero? How many of
them are doing TV specials annually? How many (like Le Grand D) are
in a theater of their own doing magic spectaculars? How many are
starring at Caesars? Look at Inside Magic and see how many magic
acts are working... (well you used to be able to look to Inside M).
Msg #14550 Dated 8:13:11 08-15-91 14465 <--> 14551
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
First time I saw the coin thru Dental Dam... I couldn't figure it
to save my life. Was demmed for my by the late Roy Kissell at the
Fox's Den magic shop in Detroit.
Msg #14551 Dated 8:13:18 08-15-91 14465 <--> 14554
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
There is also a dental supply item that is miraculous when used as
a sub for SALT in the salt card trick. I think it is the powdered
compound used to make the fake gums in dentures. Is this correct?
Msg #14552 Dated 8:13:25 08-15-91 14470 <--> 14621
Fro: PTE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: P & T
I was surprised as all get out when I saw the gross figures for
Dice Clay's concert appearances. Whew... boy its worth trying for,
no matter what the approach!!!
Msg #14553 Dated 8:13:31 08-15-91 14473 <--> 14560
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Years ago Slydini used to come to San Francisco/Oakland and do a
lecture. With 60 or so in attendance you really only got a taste
of his magic... much of a performance... to learn (teach) Slydini
would set up sessions for no more than 10 at a time. In those he
would sit at the table with everyone -- usually someone's large
dining room table -- and go over every move, every subtlety and
would give each person HANDS ON ASSISTANCE. This is the way!
Msg #14554 Dated 8:13:41 08-15-91 14480 <--> 14569
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Thanks Jer.... I will append from time to time just for the excercis
e. How ya doin? I sure wouldn't want the shrinking wire to get into
the hands of a dentist doing braces by mistake!
Msg #14555 Dated 8:13:47 08-15-91 14481 <--> 15045
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PROFESSOR EL-TAB
How did Yrrej look in a RORRIM?
Msg #14556 Dated 8:13:50 08-15-91 14493 <--> 14566
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Great analogy... anything you can't remember is NEW... I have
experienced that...
Msg #14557 Dated 8:13:56 08-15-91 14494 <--> 14740
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GIANT SILVER HALF DOLLAR
Could it be.... GREAT TITLE FOR A SONG.... IT BE GOOD TIME...
Msg #14558 Dated 8:25:09 08-15-91 14446 <--> 14571
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURES
Pete, I think it is sad that 75% of those attending magic
lectures are not interested in learning magic, that they
just want to be entertained. They should spend their time
at the movies instead and make room for those of us who are
interested in bettering our craft and becoming more enter-
taining ourselves.
Even when I see performances at the Castle I view it from a
students perspective. When I see a performer getting great
audience reaction I want to make sure I know why. Is it his
personality, snappy patter, great magic or some combination
of things? My wife can't understand why I want to see some
of the same performers more than once in the same week.
She goes to be entertained and like someone who has heard a
good joke they don't want to hear it again right away.
Just recently I learned a very good point on doing the Hindu
shuffle bottom force. (Maybe everyone else knows this point
but I didn't) I don't use that as a force because I think it
might be a bit obvious to some people that they ended up with
the bottom card of the deck. I saw this one fellow who
demonstrated to the spectator what he was going to do by
going through the motions of a Hindu shuffle force but what
he was really doing was stripping cards off of the BOTTOM of
the top stock thereby showing a new bottom card each time.
He did this demo rapidly and then just as rapidly forced the
bottom card. I thought it looked great!
About Style, Patter and Presentation, I know we should not
just copy what we see but for the most part if I see a trick
demonstrated which I think is great, and if I can make some
changes to make it more "me" WITHOUT lessening the effect,
then fine I'll make the changes. But changing something just
for the sake of making it different doesn't necessarily make
it better. Like a recipe, sometimes substitutions make it
unpalatable. David Roth's version of Fast and Loose is an
example where I haven't been able to think of any changes I
can make which would not harm the entertainment value of the
effect. Now if I had time to sit around all day and ponder
and work at it maybe someday I could come up with something
to make it better- maybe not. Not to make an excuse for
lazyness, but how many of us magic hobbyists have time today
to devote endless hours in the pursuit of changing something
great into something better? For some people that might be a
noble pursuit and an accomplishment to be proud of if they
are successful. But in the real world here I will in all
likelihood never perform for a lay person who has ever seen
David Roth, a New Yorker, perform. In this case I think if
it ain't broke don't fix it. In my case SOME lines of patter
fit what I am doing better than anything I can think of.
SOME styles of performance are similar enough to my own and
SOME presentations are such that tampering with them in any
way would only dilute the effect I want to create.
Maybe less than 10% of the magic I know and do is exactly as
I have learned it from books or lecturers or whatever.
Sometimes, if the magic fits- do it
Msg #14559 Dated 8:26:55 08-15-91 -> 14572
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
I had heard that you had written a lot about magic. I thought I bet
you have written several books and a number of articles for magazines.
Then I read your biography posted in the files section.
WOW!!! That's incredible! "Prolific" doesn't even begin to describe
your amazine outpouring of ideas. Just out of curiosity can you still
perform most of those hundreds of effects? Not that you would want to
I mean not in one evening anyway, but with all you have done how much
of it have you retained over the years. I'm just awestruck, Max!
Msg #14560 Dated 11:12:50 08-15-91 14475 <--> 14561
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
The general going rate for seminar cassettes does vary - some of the
"set up" seminars - the business ones and motivation ones that are
"free to the public" are based on selling the cassettes and/or books -
do charge more. Most audio cassette programs from
Nightingale-Conant or CareerTrack tend to run about $10 per cassette or
less.
Most business conventions now have a service of selling cassettes of
the actual lectures done live at the convention and these are
generally around $10 per cassette. The reason is that it is basically
note-taking in these cases, no editing, no studio production, and the
price has to be within the "impulse" range. At a convention you might
have 8 or 10 lecturers and it would be unlikely that an individual
would be willing or able to part with several hundred dollars for the
notes.
Msg #14561 Dated 11:28:37 08-15-91 14476 <--> 14562
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
On a superficial level your comment is appropriate. A lecture is one
form of information delivery and, if it is not suited to the
individual's learning style, then they would be best off selecting a
different form.
But my suggestion was aimed at enhancing the value of the lecture
format. The idea behind the suggestion was to expand the "conditions
laid down by the lecturer," not to circumvent them. It was an appeal
to lecturers to think about the concept and to offer it as a method for
improving the service they provide. It was intended to enhance their
income from their presentation and to make the general value of the
lecture mode greater.
Msg #14562 Dated 11:41:18 08-15-91 14546 <--> 14563
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Thanks for the info. Yes, Vegas can get warm this time of year.
Msg #14563 Dated 11:43:27 08-15-91 14548 <--> 14564
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I think you make a good point - magic can be considered to be alive and
well. But if that is the case, why does all the carping go on around
here?
Msg #14564 Dated 11:50:40 08-15-91 14450 <--> 14573
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Pete,
If you (and Jay) can hold out until Wednesday nite, Christian
Chelman will be lecturing and performing at Darwin's Midnite
Meeting (now starts at 10:00 pm). Be sure to bring your Gypsy's
Curse and Victor Bat trick as he does both with a sligtly
bizzare twist.
Location is at Pat's Chinese Restaurant in Commercial Center on
Sahara one block west of Maryland Parkway (Jay's been there)
Schedule permitting, hope to see you there!
David (the other one)
Msg #14566 Dated 11:48:21 08-15-91 14493 <--> 14567
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I think I'm begining to believe you, Max. I guess I started from the
wrong premises when I assumed that most lectures were designed to
impart something more than you are describing. Maybe I'm in a foul
mood, but I'm begining to see, more and more, that magic is a shell
game and I keep making the mistake of looking for the pea when I should
really be admiring the shells.
Msg #14567 Dated 11:53:49 08-15-91 14502 <--> 14577
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
When did they move Carnegie Hall to Tennessee? Anyway, if you get this
before you leave - have a good trip and knock 'em dead in Nashville.
Msg #14569 Dated 11:57:06 08-15-91 14482 <--> 14570
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Apparently there _are_ pirate tapes of people - Max mentioned some in
one of his messages. And, apparently, their rarity makes them
valuable. The music industry has recently taken a unique tack in that
some performers have put out their own "pirate" copies and thus ruined
the market for the illegal ones.
Once again, as I mentioned to Max, and I hope this doesn't make you
overly concerned, but a talented unscrupulous individual given today's
existing and commercially available technology could easily create a
pirate video of a lecture - a fairly good one, in fact - and, as the
lecturer, you would never know it had been done. I'm thinking of
starting to sell detectors to lecturers so that they arrive equipped
with counter-measures.
Msg #14570 Dated 12:08:36 08-15-91 14544 <--> 14579
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY CONCLAVE
I never had the Cross Keys recipe for turkey croquettes, but you made
me check the index of recipies here at Techy Heaven. A quick check
does NOT show one for turkey croquettes, but it does yeild one for
"Cuckoo's Eggs" which sounds quite similar and which uses a Bechamel
sauce. Thanks for the tip - I didn't know about Lance's crusade.
Msg #14571 Dated 12:12:44 08-15-91 14558 <--> 14603
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LECTURES
Thanks for the good reply. Makes lots of sense.
Msg #14572 Dated 12:13:15 08-15-91 14559 <--> 14591
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Don't be amazed... that is what Maven does for a living!
Msg #14573 Dated 12:14:00 08-15-91 14562 <--> 14574
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
For those that are interested, just spoke to Jay Marshall. He had
intented to re-copyright the Bobo Modern Coin magic, but was given the
wrong deadline information from a friend at the Library of Congress. It
was planned... but he didn't know the date had to be from the original
Jones edition date... Hence the Dover edition WITHOUT the added
Mullholland and Goshman, et al, material -- as IT was not part of what
was protected by Jones.
Jay has just racently sold the German rights to Walter Huber.
And for Tabman, Conrad Haden is still alive and in Florida, but bed
ridden. Robert Olsen, in CT keeps in touch...
Msg #14574 Dated 12:16:46 08-15-91 14563 <--> 14576
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Carping? I dunno... maybe we are all bored. I think I will sign off and
go for a ride.
Msg #14576 Dated 12:17:38 08-15-91 14564 <--> 14588
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I don't think can stay Wed nite... wish I had known, but my plane
ticket is writ... and I think Joe Stevens has to be in New Mexico
Wednesday night.... We will be at the Trop from Monday afternoon on,
give a call. I might be rooming with Joe Stevens and not registered, so
ask fr Joe's room or Jay Marshall.
Msg #14577 Dated 12:18:58 08-15-91 14566 <--> 14589
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
No, not admiring the shells... THE PRESENTATION.... did you see the RAP
Video (forgtet the name) on MTV where a guy is doi3 Card Monte?
Msg #14578 Dated 12:18:05 08-15-91 14545 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
It would depend on the time available, but I'd vote for a trip to
somewhere relatively obscure along the way - not Hawaii. And for some
"free time" in Japan - maybe 5 days or so during which you might
arrange things for those who wanted to go on 'em but during which those
of us who have friends/family there could take off to visit them.
Msg #14579 Dated 12:20:10 08-15-91 14570 <--> 14584
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY CONCLAVE
You will when you see his show... it is a great PUT ON OF SIEGFRIED'S
WHITE TIGERS....
Msg #14581 Dated 12:38:06 08-15-91 14509 <--> 15127
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Most of my sci-fi connections have lapsed. I've never been to any of
the cons or anything. I'm usually just a reader. If you come to
visit, you won't have to bring any books - a convenient supply is
already in the sci-fi fan guest suite.
Msg #14582 Dated 12:39:51 08-15-91 14510 <--> 14583
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
That is a GREAT name to conjur with! Really like it. The very idea
could leaf one breathless.
Msg #14583 Dated 12:41:31 08-15-91 14511 <--> 14607
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Kudzu is indeed the real work. So is Spanish Moss. Seems odd to be
telling you this from the middle of a dessert. The back lawn is all
brown right now.
Msg #14584 Dated 12:40:10 08-15-91 -> 14586
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
If you can get ahold of his one coin book, which is out of print, it
shows all of those moves really well. I am glad you enjoyed the
lecture. I know what you mean about the lecture notes. In fact he told
us tha "FFAST AND LOOSE" was NOT in the lecture notes but when I got
home and looked through them it was in the back, so go figure.
Msg #14585 Dated 12:44:00 08-15-91 14514 <--> 14596
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
I _still_ haven't gotten my Inside Magic! I'll have to give Patrice a
call as it must have gotten lost in the mail. Sure hope that the same
thing hasn't happened to some of the MAGIC! subscriptions.
Msg #14586 Dated 12:43:38 08-15-91 -> 14590
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
No I have never even seen Fast and Loose until last weekend when David
taught it to us. It looks like a great effect but like David said the
presentation is everything because if you don't present it right it
will do nothing but Piss people off after losing over and over again.
Does anyone know where I can get a nice looking chain. I got one the
other day from Builders Emporium, but it is to rough. It works good for
practice but for show I would like to find a chrome chain.
Msg #14587 Dated 12:46:39 08-15-91 14515 <--> 14611
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Didn't know that Roger Ray was into model trains. I guess if we all
hadn't thrown that stuff away, it wouldn't be worth much now. Big
shock was being in a TOY MUSEUM and seeing stuff I had as a kid! I
felt a LOT older after that!
By the way, there was that marvelous piece on here about wills and how
to dispose of magiciana. But it is a VERY WISE move to also find out
what is covered by insurance. Most reasonable collections of stuff
require specific (and extra cost) coverage. We had a flood a few years
ago and it happened while I was sorting old LP's. The records
themselves weren't really damaged but a number of the jackets got
watermarked and damaged. Guess what? It was NOT covered by insurance.
Msg #14588 Dated 12:59:37 08-15-91 14573 <--> 14606
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Thanks for all the info from Jay, Pete. It indeed sounds like an
unfortunate mess.
Msg #14589 Dated 13:01:38 08-15-91 14577 <--> 14598
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I know what 3 Card Monte is, but what is MTV? And what is RAP?
Msg #14590 Dated 13:02:22 08-15-91 14579 <--> 14592
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY CONCLAVE
I have GOT to see Lance's new show. Will try to figure some way out to
get over there. Meanwhile have fun in Vegas and please remember to
disucss all the stuff with Joe.
Msg #14591 Dated 13:04:25 08-15-91 14572 <--> 14610
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
I take a bit of exception to your comment about what Max does for a
living. I think that his bibliography shows that he has _GIVEN_ a
great deal to magic. Yes, I do know PR and all that, but his list
extends far beyond that.
Msg #14592 Dated 13:05:46 08-15-91 14491 <--> 14613
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yes, and usually for a very low price, as anyone with a decent master
can dupe the tape and sell it.
'W.
Msg #14595 Dated 13:19:28 08-15-91 14531 <--> 14628
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Peter is certainly well known in England and known to an admittedly
lesser degree in the U.S. He's a brilliant fellow and a major talent.
Your good taste is showing in your appreciation of his work.
'W.
Msg #14596 Dated 13:55:04 08-15-91 14585 <--> 14597
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
I read somewhere that Magic magazine was not going out until around the
22nd of August so you still have a little wait left.
Msg #14597 Dated 15:00:04 08-15-91 14596 <--> 14646
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Yes, but there was an August issue of Inside Magic - the last issue -
that I apparently didn't get. I talked to Patrice and she is sending
it out.
Msg #14598 Dated 15:16:27 08-15-91 14399 <--> 14616
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
IN RESPONSE TO:
Msg #14399 Dated 18:01:00 08-14-91 -> 14407
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SYSOP
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
.
"...There was mention by Stan Lake of the situation at the
Day of Magic and other events, where scheduling is such
that it is impossible for one person to see all of the
lectures. This is the fault of the organizers, who have put
together a poorly structured event. It is not the
responsibility of the lecturers, and has no bearing on the
above..."
===========================================================
Your above comment has annoyed me greatly. The DAY-OF-MAGIC
was not as you say "...a poorly structured event...". In
fact a lot of time and thought was spent structuring the
DAY-OF-MAGIC in such a way to provide the maximum amount of
lectures in one day and yet provide a little something for
everyone at any given time regardless of whether they do
Close-up, Stage, Parlor, etc.... It was never the intent
of the DAY-OF-MAGIC organizers that everyone would see
everything. The DAY-OF-MAGIC provided the attendees with
many choices and like life you must make choices.
Msg #14599 Dated 16:37:46 08-15-91
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ACT
Nice to have you back. The act's coming along slowly, but nicely. Yes
I still have the wool over her eyes. Don't know how much longer
though. I have my audition at the Castle tomorrow at 1:30. Hope to
see you there. MIKE.
Msg #14600 Dated 16:40:03 08-15-91
From: MIKE KING
To: SCOTT WELLS (X)
Re: SPRING FAN
Thank you. I will try and contact him. MIKE.]
Msg #14601 Dated 16:40:31 08-15-91 -> 15476
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
Got the second package in the mail yesterday. Sorry didn't get to youy
till now, but have had the MAC in the shop. Will get back at you late
tomorrow. Thanks for all the input. MIKE.
Msg #14602 Dated 18:15:24 08-15-91 14096 <--> 14682
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
Almost finished with it. Personally, I think the Amiga itself is a good
enough reason for firin' up the ol' Amig'.
Hope you like the icon...
Msg #14603 Dated 18:20:23 08-15-91 14507 <--> 14609
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LECTURES
Apparently you have not attended many lectures, for which I make no
criticism, but if so then you might reconsider what point there is in
making generalizations about lectures based upon such limited
experience. If a person has only seen two or three movies, and they are
"Home Alone," "Naked Gun" and "Hot Shots," the conclusion might be that
all movies are comedies...
Msg #14604 Dated 18:17:22 08-15-91 -> 14651
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: GEE WHISKERS
At the last SAM meeting, I got 2 opposing views on my new beard. One
said "I like it, it makes you look more like a magician". The other
said "Don't wear a beard, it makes people more likely to question you".
I'd like to open up the floor for discussion. To shave, or not to
shave? What are the pros & cons of conjuring with a beard? Should I
shave clean, or leave the moustache?
Msg #14605 Dated 18:22:35 08-15-91 14521 <--> 15133
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: "STAMP"
Not that I'm supporting the idea of adding "The Great" to people's name
badges, but when defining the fields in the Avery program you can add
an extra line in whatever size font you choose (e.g., very small) that
would run above the person's name, adding such preceding titles. Any
entry in your data base that had no information in that merge field
would simply ignore that line and continue.
Msg #14606 Dated 18:24:27 08-15-91 14542 <--> 14608
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
You needn't bother mentioning the table; he is very much aware of the
problem, and it will be fixed.
Msg #14607 Dated 18:25:07 08-15-91 -> 14630
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
The photo of which you speak was of Bush & Jeff McBride. There were two
winners, in fact there were only two entrants! Both recieved a 1 year
subscription to Genii.
Msg #14608 Dated 18:25:06 08-15-91 14548 <--> 14612
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I'll agree that the other variety arts are also under-represented on TV
and such, but it's worth noting that their situation is by no means
barren. At any given time there are five to ten casino shows in this
country using ventriloquists and/or jugglers. Michael Moschen performs
his full-evening show in top-quality venues, and had his own PBS
special last January. The Karamazovs have had successful runs on
Broadway, as well as their own specials. David Strassman has had more
television exposure in the past few years than just about any other
variety performer (magicians included). Ronn Lucas has had more than
one series of his own in England.
Msg #14609 Dated 18:28:53 08-15-91 14558 <--> 14653
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LECTURES
I would be _very_ interested in knowing who taught that work on the
Hindu Shuffle Force in his lecture, for the simple reason that it is
_mine_, developed many years ago and eventually published in the
Linking Ring. I have never given permission to any lecturer to explain
it. Given that it is a practical approach to a standard technique, I am
not particularly bothered that someone is teaching it -- but I _am_
unhappy that apparently he doesn't bother to give credit where due.
Msg #14610 Dated 18:31:05 08-15-91 14559 <--> 14649
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
It's not a biography -- the members of this BBS have only so much
tolerance -- but a bibliography.
Can I perform all of the effects I've published? No. What percentage
can I remember? A fair amount, but I couldn't give you any sort of
figure.
Msg #14611 Dated 18:35:07 08-15-91 -> 14626
From: LYNN HEALY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
I have a tape of Henning performing the Origami Box on a talk show
years ago (the host was Joan Rivers, but I don't know if she was the
regular or a guest host).
Msg #14612 Dated 18:32:31 08-15-91 14561 <--> 14652
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
The "general value of the lecture mode" will be made greater when
lecturers are held to higher standards. Use of video might, in some
cases, be part of this, but not universally.
I've been meaning to comment that the fact that a technology is
"advanced" does not necessarily mean it is "better" -- it depends upon
the context. For instance, an airplane is a more advanced means of
transportation than a bicycle, but not always the most practical one to
choose...
Msg #14613 Dated 18:35:52 08-15-91 14569 <--> 14614
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The pirate videotapes I am aware of are ones which were recorded with
a lecturer's permission, where the taper broke a promise and made dubs.
Msg #14614 Dated 18:37:29 08-15-91 14051 <--> 14619
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Not Dover!!! But close -- Tannen's (I think -- I could be wrong). I
don't remember whether Expert Coin Technique was bought outright, or
whether rights to print a specific number of copies was granted, or
whether it was Kaufman's second printing and Tannen's bought all
remaining copies. SOMETHING happened!
Msg #14616 Dated 18:38:16 08-15-91 14577 <--> 14648
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
The video was by Run DMC. The guys doing 3-Card Monte were Penn &
Teller.
Msg #14617 Dated 18:38:45 08-15-91 14158 <--> 14622
From: LYNN HEALY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESEARCH
What database do you plan on using? Most of the PC databases I've
seen are inadequate for a project of this magnitude.
Msg #14618 Dated 18:45:22 08-15-91 14176 <-
From: LYNN HEALY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEWS
Those people from the Maritimes are more deprived than I thought!
Msg #14619 Dated 18:49:52 08-15-91 14211 <--> 14638
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I thought that Dover reprinted the original Modern Coin Magic --
that makes three editions. Haven't heard of New Modern being
reprinted.
Msg #14620 Dated 18:50:01 08-15-91 14303 <--> 14725
From: LYNN HEALY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
A rhizome is kind of a cross between a root and a stem. It's usually
subterranean and sends out roots below and shoots above. A lot of
ferns and orchids have them.
Msg #14621 Dated 18:50:07 08-15-91 14345 <--> 14657
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T
Get the rice in an oriental market. It's referred to as "glutinous"
rice and is usually soaked in rice vinegar (by the cook).
Msg #14622 Dated 18:50:13 08-15-91 14367 <--> 14656
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESEARCH
Larry Ellison is proud to be the founder of the most promiscuous
software company ever (his description) -- ORACLE will run on almost
any computer in the world! It would be terrific for those of us who
have the system to support it -- you need at LEAST a 286, 2 meg of
RAM (3 or more is better), and 10 or 15 meg of hard disk space for
just the programs. It also costs about 800 or 1200 $$. There are
developer plans where the developer of a system can buy the database
and all development tools, and build a system and then sell it along
with a run-time license for the Oracle DBMS (that's only 300 or
400 $$).
.
If anyone's interested I can get complete pricing information --
keep in mind that the Oracle sales people are ALWAYS willing to
negotiate!
Msg #14624 Dated 18:50:30 08-15-91 -> 14709
From: LYNN HEALY
To: SYSOP
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
When using IMP!, if you specify a reply file name that already
exists, IMP appends any new replies to the ones already in the
file. However, both Tommy and I have had problems with the new
messages never getting written to the file!
.
Actually, they DO get written to the file, but the original end-
of-file marker is not always removed. Thank heaven for Peter
Norton and his software! Is there a procedure for filing a formal
bug report or enhancement request?
Msg #14625 Dated 18:49:07 08-15-91
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: ORGANIZING
There was a message addressed to me by an organizer of the Day of Magic
event. Unfortunately I somehow lost the thread, so I do not know to
whom I am addressing this, but he was quite annoyed at my comment that
the event had been "poorly organized."
I must point out that I was not in attendance; my comment was based
upon complaints I heard from various people who did. I did not mean to
suggest that the event was _ineptly_ organized, but rather that the
decision to cram so many overlapping lectures into the day was a poor
choice. I thought my meaning was clear, at least contextually; sorry if
it wasn't. I still think the structure is in need of re-thinking,
should another Day of Magic be planned.
Msg #14626 Dated 19:18:22 08-15-91 14515 <--> 14635
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
You guys did nothing, er DUMPED NOTHING... I tossed my dad's travel
case and his custom made skates (that he appeared in Vaudeville with)
when we moved. I would KILL, TRADE ALL MY MAGIC STUFF FOR IT NOW!
Msg #14627 Dated 19:18:28 08-15-91 14516 <--> 14711
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
OK OK will get the sheets out. Do calls to MAGIC! come under ...
naw... that might be stretching it...
Msg #14628 Dated 19:18:33 08-15-91 14517 <--> 14636
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Probably 'cause the National wouldn't let 'em cut the hole in da
flo.
Msg #14630 Dated 19:18:42 08-15-91 14520 <--> 14632
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
MOO IS SHORT FOR MOOD.
Msg #14631 Dated 19:18:46 08-15-91 14522 <--> 15137
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
No I got the cheep tickee... How could I return on Sunday
if the meeting STARTS on Monday and ends on a Wednesday? Roger
Ray is throwing a big party at his home Tuesday...
Msg #14632 Dated 19:18:51 08-15-91 14524 <--> 14634
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
I bet the dishwashers are thrilled even more than you are! I know
about the SS, a pal o mine used to be one... and I recall one time
at the Magic Castle award banquet on of Reagans's sons was there
to make a presentation... the SS guys were all over backstage...
etc...
Msg #14633 Dated 19:18:59 08-15-91 14525 <--> 14637
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
See you did it... "I thought he was prematurely bald and wore brown
mascara." PUT THE NAME IN... I thought FRED, OR WHOEVER... THEN
we can rmember .;..uflkdiqepg dgkdjfoisdjjllko9eijfgfk'aodiiiii
Msg #14634 Dated 19:19:05 08-15-91 14526 <--> 14643
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Lets leave profanity off this board... Protochhorophyl (nomatter
how I spell it, is a dirty word) (see I could have ended with the
three dots and you wouldn't have remembered the thread, which is
for some reason TRIX
Msg #14635 Dated 19:19:12 08-15-91 14528 <--> 14880
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
i KNOW what it is to 'KEEP THE OTHER HOUSE' argh... tm, reg us pat
off?
Msg #14636 Dated 19:19:17 08-15-91 14531 <--> 14726
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Don't LUMPEN me with those that don't know Peter Cook!
Msg #14637 Dated 19:19:21 08-15-91 14532 <--> 14640
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Will try today... bah...
Msg #14638 Dated 19:19:25 08-15-91 14537 <--> 14644
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Since you are talking about Cindy (I hope she is reading this
message) here is some more TOO MUCH INFORMATION...!!!!
Last night I viewed the Gaetan Bloome Close Up video, from Pierre
Mayer, and on the tape was a KILLER, simple to do, almost mechnical
version of FOUR COINS THRU the table... USING LARGE BUTTONS and
not coins. It can be done standing or sitting and IMITATES lapping,
but you don't lap!!!! I like the idea of large buttons. Gaetan
also, on the tape, has a very original and baffling LINKING PIN
routine. It uses a gaff and IS AVAILABLE from Jeff Busby. I have
one here someplace, but had never seen Gaetan do it! He is too
good! Sorry he was away in a show when I was in Paris. He gives
his phone number at the end of the tape so if you are near him
you can call him and visit!
Msg #14639 Dated 19:19:42 08-15-91 14539 <--> 14687
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL OVERLY (X)
Re: INFORMATION
I guess, then, it is the collection of scripts, etc. that are in
the Variety Arts Club collection that they have just "announced" as
being open. Will check it out next socal trip. Thanks.
Msg #14640 Dated 19:19:47 08-15-91 14540 <--> 15139
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I never thought I wanted to go to Siberia! You can use your plastic
tube all you want. I made mine out of cardboard!
Msg #14642 Dated 19:20:04 08-15-91 -> 15146
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: TUBE
Magic Inc., in Chicago, no longer makes the Ireland 40-cent trick gaff.
Msg #14643 Dated 19:20:37 08-15-91 14583 <--> 14686
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I am applying fertilizer and H2o to the brown spots on my lawn. If
it works I'll letcha know.
.
Being a member of MAGIC! "DID NOT" have any pull with trying to join
price club today... but when I said, "Hey you guys sent me an ad
to come down and join up!" Then she said, "Are you new to the area?"
When I said, "Yup!" Thassall it took (plus 25 skins)... hahahaha
Msg #14644 Dated 19:20:47 08-15-91 14584 <--> 14645
From: PETE BIRO
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
So Roth has a bad memory. He probably never took the Roth memory
course! (I think it pre-dated Harry Lorayne), But I forget?
Msg #14645 Dated 19:20:52 08-15-91 14584 <--> 14647
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Are the Roth Notes, with FAST AND LOOSE available to purchase?
I am into that effect and like to get all the stuff on it that I
can. I recall Jules Lenier doing a fine version at the Castle some
years ago... where he placed (I think) 3 Silver dollars in front
of the spectator "to bet with" -- of course Lenier won all his
money back.
Msg #14646 Dated 19:21:01 08-15-91 14585 <--> 14672
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
The Post Orfice doesn't lose stuff... it just stores it!
Msg #14647 Dated 19:21:05 08-15-91 14586 <--> 14654
From: PETE BIRO
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I have a large link GOLDEN (not gold) chain. I actually like the
old ball chain like they use to pull light bulbs on and off with.
You can use a small loop (about 3 inches across) that you palm, and
tie a false knot in the large loop, when you run your hand over it
you drop the small loop on the table... as if it is THE KNOT come
off! Ken Brooke published a verf good handling, as did Lewis
Ganson. You might research out the "Pricking the Garter" and the
"Belt Loop" variants... (T A says they are mis-named).
.
Do you know where the saying "Cash on the Barrell Head" comes from?
.
The shipside hustlers used to do the belt loop and take the case
off the Barrell Heads that they won gambling.
.
From Soup to Nuts, came from gambling. FARO had a line from Soda
to Hock, which somehow became soup to nuts.
.
Just thought you'd like to know.
Msg #14648 Dated 19:21:25 08-15-91 14589 <--> 14650
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
You will have to buy a cable ready TV and go up to the higher
numbers to find out about the contemporary American scene. Tsk.
Msg #14649 Dated 19:21:29 08-15-91 14591 <--> 14677
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
You mean Max doesn't perform, invent, write, produce and direct
magic for a living? C'mon...
Msg #14650 Dated 19:21:34 08-15-91 14399 <--> 14655
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
We did the same at the Stevens Seminar last time. I don't recall
the subjects, but we had simultaneous lectures that were very
diverse... Like Kid Show stuff against Trade Show info... which we
felt, people would choose one, and more often than not have no
interest in the other.
.
No matter what you do... there will be some that think you are wrong
and that you stink!
.
I say, "tough"... if they only knew how much work and thought, and
cost went into putting on the major events they would cringe. We at
the IBM have been very lucky, with about 5 or 6 consecutive SOLD
OUT conventions. We always sweat it, though, until the convention
starts... and even more so when it is underway!
Msg #14651 Dated 19:21:52 08-15-91 14604 <--> 14689
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: GEE WHISKERS
How the hell can somone else tell you what to look like. It's like
me saying, "do you think I would look better taller? Thinner?
.
Altho, I detest the "so calle" LOOK LIKE A MAGICIAN. In other words
with a beard you look more like David Copperfield? Lance Burton?
.
HOw does it feel? Does it itch? Do women like it? Can you hide
a gaffed card in it?
Sorry if I sound weird on this... but it is only your business,
really...
Msg #14652 Dated 19:22:04 08-15-91 14608 <--> 14665
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Yeah, its great that Lucas is doing well... wonderful talent!
And our friend that was on SOAP...
Msg #14653 Dated 19:22:09 08-15-91 14609 <--> 14663
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LECTURES
Max, from the message I don't think he said someone was teaching
the shuffle, he just saw it... and liked it. Sounds great to me,
care to give a brief description here?
Msg #14654 Dated 19:22:15 08-15-91 14614 <--> 14666
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
NO... D. Robbins did the second printing of Roth's book. It was
Dover that nicked Modern Coin Magic, Bobo, from Magic Inc., owing
to Jay's misunderstanding of the copyright date!
It is the second printing of Roth that I have, and since Robbins
did it, I can't see why people (Cindy) are having a hard time
finding it. I am going to Byron Walkers in an hour, will check his
supply... I be in Monterey, all day Sat. then to Vegas Mon-Wed.
Msg #14655 Dated 19:22:24 08-15-91 14616 <--> 14664
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
NO NO, THIS IS A NEW ONE MAX, BLACK GUY DOING MONTE... JUST SAW IT.
Msg #14656 Dated 19:22:28 08-15-91 14617 <--> 14706
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: RESEARCH
As a programmer, Lynn, maybe you can help us on this one. I'll call
you when I get back from LV, mid next week.
Msg #14657 Dated 19:22:34 08-15-91 14621 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: P & T
Thanks, will be working on makin' Sushi next week. Mebbe will let
you be the tester, taster?
Msg #14660 Dated 19:40:43 08-15-91
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BOOK
Thank you! I will be looking forward to this existence of the
compilation!!
Msg #14662 Dated 19:48:21 08-15-91
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: ALL
Re: CON-QUEST
Does anyone know of where I may obtain a copy of Con-Quest
(Laub/Ingles)? I will purchase New or Used. Please let me know. Thanks
in advance.
Msg #14663 Dated 20:06:28 08-15-91 14402 <--> 14674
From: LYNN HEALY
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LECTURES
Lectures sponsored by clubs these days seem to cost at least $20.
David Roth's in Sacramento on Saturday is $35!
Msg #14664 Dated 20:06:34 08-15-91 14426 <--> 14675
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Yes, some lectures are just performances in disguise, but a lot of
them are really dealer demos masquerading as lectures! Luckily a
few good people are still willing to truly teach during their
lectures.
Msg #14665 Dated 20:06:42 08-15-91 14460 <--> 14681
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Haven't you seen the bumper sticker
. "PLAY AN ACCORDION, GO TO JAIL
. THAT'S THE LAW!"
???
Msg #14666 Dated 20:06:49 08-15-91 14586 <--> 14669
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DARRELL MURPHY (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Try a jewelry store, or even better a jewelry wholesaler -- you can
buy chain by the inch, foot, or whatever.
Msg #14669 Dated 22:23:58 08-15-91 14469 <--> 14670
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yep, my first time. Is it going to be a momentous occasion in my
otherwise well ordered life?
Msg #14670 Dated 22:24:56 08-15-91 14486 <--> 14678
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
T+0hat's a title I'm not familiar with. Will keep an eye out -
thanks!
Msg #14671 Dated 22:26:09 08-15-91 14530 <--> 14716
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Lumpenette has an awful ring to it! I will take your advice - I agree
it's better to do a few tricks well than a hundred that you perform
below standard. I've been experimenting on my husband - he's always
been good at being my harshest critic. So far, he's had some very
constructive points, and sometimes, I've even fooled him, so I guess
I'm getting somewhere! Now, if only I didn't have to work, I could
REALLY get some practicing time in!
Msg #14672 Dated 23:25:57 08-15-91 14597 <--> 14712
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Wish I would have known you missed your copy of Inside Magic as you
could have had mine.
Msg #14674 Dated 23:32:10 08-15-91 14663 <--> 14676
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: LECTURES
Lynn, are you going to Sacto? If so would you get me a set of
his lecture notes? Byron has the Clayton Rawson books, all in the
red dudtjacket ed. except "Death in a Top Hat" which he has two
copies of the original edition.
Msg #14675 Dated 23:32:16 08-15-91 14664 <--> 14705
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Yeah, I had enuf experience watching dealer dems... almost don't
want to go to see lectures because of that... But I know I blew it
when I had the wrong date for Vito Lupo... and if I wasn't working
in Monterey Sat. would go to Sacto to see David.
Msg #14676 Dated 23:34:03 08-15-91 14609 <--> 14685
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LECTURES
Max I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear about the Hindu shuffle
technique I learned. I was talking about how I look at Castle
performances from a students point of view and I saw a performer
not a lecturer do the technique you created. I thought it was a
(got some line noise there)
Anyway, I thought it was a great technique which enabled me to use a
sleight I would not normally use. If that was your idea then thank you
for the valuable addition to my magic toolkit.
Msg #14677 Dated 23:46:50 08-15-91 14610 <--> 14688
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
OOPS! Did I leave the "bli" out of bibliography? Well, maybe you
could write an autobiography- I'm sure it would make for some very
interesting reading. You could post it on Magic! on the installment
plan! Just a chapter a month...
Msg #14678 Dated 23:55:13 08-15-91 14569 <--> 14679
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
If the person was familiar enough with me to want to tape my work
secretly -- they might also be familiar enough with my behavior to know
what would happen if I caught them at it. I don't think they would
believe the effects would be worth my methods...
Msg #14679 Dated 23:53:01 08-15-91 14645 <--> 14680
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I'm sure that if you wanted to purchase the lecture notes you could.
If you have any trouble obtaining them I know of several people who
will sell you their copies. I don't know why you would want to
purchase them just for the Fast and Loose trick as it only tells how to
lay the chain out which I assume you already know. It is void of the
wonderful presentation Roth showed us.
Msg #14680 Dated 23:57:59 08-15-91 14638 <--> 14701
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The buttons through table thing is in Bloom's lecture notes; extremely
clever.
Msg #14681 Dated 0:05:50 08-16-91 14508 <--> 14683
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Absolutely. The larger knowledge base you have in magic (or any other
field for that matter), the more you will get out of a lecture, for the
simple reason that you won't be trying to learn EVERYTHING -- just the
aspects of something that you don't know.
Msg #14682 Dated 0:07:35 08-16-91 14602 <--> 15018
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
Of course the Amiga itself is a good enough reason for firin' up the
Amiga! But I have to fight with my son - it is his. I've thought
about getting another one just for me.
Msg #14683 Dated 0:08:20 08-16-91 14560 <--> 14684
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I don't know which ones you have seen -- the ones I have encountered
sell only cassette SETS, and rarely are these under $75; average, I
would guess, is about $125. Even the few single cassette deals I have
seen are around $30 for a 90-minute audiotape, $60+ for video.
Msg #14684 Dated 0:10:37 08-16-91 14561 <--> 14690
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I understand your purpose in those suggestions; I just don't agree that
they would produce those effects.
Msg #14685 Dated 0:12:53 08-16-91 14609 <--> 14718
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LECTURES
Max -
I didn't know that that version of the Hindu Shuffle Force was yours!
It is truly beautiful.
Msg #14686 Dated 0:13:33 08-16-91 14583 <--> 14695
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
So, instead of "I have a plant in the audience" it would be "I have a
plant who IS the audience..."
Msg #14687 Dated 0:18:53 08-16-91 14539 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: MICHAEL OVERLY (X)
Re: INFORMATION
The SPVA library, which is indeed adjacent to the Castle Library, has
a number of books on all phases of variety and theatre. Among its
items are several complete joke files -- those of Snag Werris, Whitey
Roberts, Jack Oakie and others.
Msg #14688 Dated 0:21:28 08-16-91 14677 <--> 14699
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
No, no -- in Max's case it would have to be an autohagiography.
Msg #14689 Dated 0:15:27 08-16-91 14604 <--> 15026
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: GEE WHISKERS
A very interesting question, Scott. Of course we don't know what it
looks like on you or how you relate to it. I suppose it would also
depend on the type of magic you do and your individual performance
style.
I had a beard for many years, although I used to shave it every summer.
I found that people were generally more distant with me when I had it
(although my wife seemed to like it). They seemed to be more
respectful and seemed to expect me to be in charge. I could be more
assertive and they would act like I was supposed to be. As a matter of
fact, I found that each summer, right after shaving it, I would forget
it was no longer there and would get some funny reactions from people
- sort of "who the heck do you think you are?"
On the other hand, I've had some small evidence that infants and very
young children do not react well to people with beards - it almost
seems tribal - fear of the chief.
If you've got a couple of pics - one with, one without - scan 'em in or
sen 'em to me and I'll scan 'em in. Then we can see what everyone
thinks.
Msg #14690 Dated 0:23:57 08-16-91 14612 <--> 14692
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Apparently, outside of word of mouth, it is difficult to assess the
"general value" or perhaps we should say quality of a lecture. And I
think you are right - the form has a lack of quality in many cases.
Many people do not prepare properly to deliver a quality lecture; but,
then again, many people don't prepare properly to perform either.
Indeed, video-notes might be a help in improving this situation.
I don't recall specifically using the term "advanced," but it is
possible that I did and you are certainly correct - "advanced" does not
mean "better." In the case of video-notes, however, you already know
that I consider video to be a superb technology for this application.
Msg #14692 Dated 0:28:55 08-16-91 14665 <--> 14693
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
No, I haven't seen that one! A few years ago there was a problem in
the communications field that caused considerable difficulty to the
individuals involved (many of whom were later found innocent). At the
time, a friend of mine had some bumper stickers made that read "USE A
MODEM - GO TO JAIL."
Msg #14693 Dated 0:31:47 08-16-91 14683 <--> 14694
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
As mentioned in my previous post Nightengale-Conant and CareerTrack
both sell individual cassettes and packages that average under $10 per
cassette. What seminars have you been going to?
Msg #14694 Dated 0:33:25 08-16-91 14684 <--> 14744
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
"Agree" in this case is, of course, subjective. You are entitled to
your opinion. But someone makes money off of those seminar cassettes
you've been buying at rather inflated prices! And people continue to
attend the seminars.
Msg #14695 Dated 0:37:05 08-16-91 14607 <--> 14696
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: TRIX
Thank you for reminding me of the correct events. It does take a bit
a way from the marvelous incorrect memory I had. Now, what do you
figure Bush and McBride REALLY were saying to each other?
Msg #14696 Dated 0:41:54 08-16-91 14634 <--> 14697
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Protoclorophyl is ruled by the sysop to be a benign and acceptable
word, provided it is used in a magical context here on MAGIC! Such a
context CANNOT be a mere reference to Gary Plants.
This thread is TRIX because YOU have been too lazy to enter your reply
as a new thread, thus setting a standard for others to follow.
Therefore you are assigned one minute in the penalty box and are under
obligation to provide at least _one_ _new_ _trick_ here on MAGIC!
Msg #14697 Dated 0:47:55 08-16-91 14643 <--> 14698
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
We got the fertilizer here in LaLa land, but no H2O. Lawn will be
green when it rains, not before then. Guess that when it came to
joining Price Club you just didn't know the right trick - it begins
with a Hindu Shuffle Force.
Msg #14698 Dated 0:50:03 08-16-91 14686 <--> 14759
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Exactly, T A, a sprig of Kudzu in the audience at the beginning of the
show WILL be the audience by the end of the show. One of its magical
properties is that the plant will appear totally brown and dead in the
winter, then, on a particular day in Spring (a day known only to the
Kudzu) ALL of it will turn green and leafy. You wake up to find that
the entire state is composed only of Kudzu. There are some who say
that it actually spreads during the hibernation period. Others say
that "Cthulhu" is an attempt at saying "Kudzu" while being strangled by
the stuff.
Msg #14699 Dated 0:56:30 08-16-91 14649 <--> 14700
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Yes, as far as I know, Max DOES perform, invent, write, produce and
direct magic for a living. But I think that his contributions to the
field go far beyond those that he has been financially compensated for.
Msg #14700 Dated 0:59:45 08-16-91 14688 <--> 14763
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
T A -
I'm trying to think of how many people I know who could have come up
with "autohagiography." I've been counting on my fingers, but, so far,
I have a LOT more fingers than names. Bravo! And I agree.
P.S. - I'm a bit concerned though about whether the creation of an
autohagiography is actually "legal."
Msg #14701 Dated 1:06:41 08-16-91 14613 <--> 14702
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Breaking a promise is a common situation by which piracy occurs. I've
actually had someone ask ME to make them an illegal copy of my own
work! And by an otherwise very ethical individual. When I told him
that I would rather give him a legal copy he seemed puzzled at first.
Msg #14702 Dated 1:10:46 08-16-91 14619 <--> 14703
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
It would appear that there may have been FOUR editions of Modern Coin
Magic - Jones, Ireland, Magic, Inc., and Dover, but I'm not sure. What
I was referring to was that someone told me that there were changes
made in different prints of "New Modern Coin Magic," but I don't think
they were correct.
Msg #14703 Dated 1:16:25 08-16-91 14678 <--> 14741
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
One can only speculate on your methods, T A. Were you perhaps an
assistant torturer in a past life? When you "give people the boot" do
you have something out of the modern ordinary in mind?
Msg #14705 Dated 1:20:47 08-16-91 14648 <--> 14751
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I don't want to buy a "cable ready TV." I'm not into chains and most
of 'em wear bad make-up. If it requires that much effort to find out
about the contemporary American scene I think I would prefer to wait
for the scene to change.
Msg #14706 Dated 1:26:39 08-16-91 14622 <--> 15046
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: RESEARCH
Gee, Lynn, you seem to know a bit about Oracle... Let's see if we can
work out the prelim. specs first - then look at the database programs
to support it. Of course, as one of the leading database experts in
the field of magic, we will be delighted to have you join the
committee.
P.S. - At one time I was asked to consider doing "Teach Yourself
ORACLE." At the time, I didn't have a big enough machine anywhere in
the shop to run it. I do now.
Msg #14709 Dated 1:40:31 08-16-91 14624 <--> 14768
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
I think you just filed one - but it really should go to JERRY BURTON,
not to me. Why, however, would you want to append new replies or
appends or enters to a file you had already sent? Doing so would
result in duplicate messages being sent to MAGIC! (Assuming, of course,
that you had already sent the first file).
There is a way around this by using a naming convention. Different
people use different conventions. I like to name the captured message
file (the one downloaded FROM MAGIC!) by using MAGInnnn.CAP where nnnn
is the date in month-month-date-date format (0816 for today, for
example). I name the outgoing file, the one containing messages I am
sending back to MAGIC! by using MAGInnnn.OUT (where nnnn is the same as
above - month-month-date-date). That allows me to keep 'em straight
(assuming I have only one of each per day) and to easily find them on
my system - I can search for ones to/from MAGIC! by doing DIR MAGI*.*,
or I can search for all files with a 0 in the fifth position (I use
this since I have files for several different systems named in the same
manner) by using DIR ????0*.* or I can search for all CAPTURED files -
DIR *.CAP or all outgoing files - DIR *.OUT, etc.
Msg #14711 Dated 1:49:18 08-16-91 14627 <--> 14769
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
Just a reminder - your message to Wells (#14627) was on a PUBLIC
thread.
Msg #14712 Dated 1:52:21 08-16-91 14646 <--> 14713
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Actually, I have used the post office as a storage medium - You box
stuff up and send it by the slowest/cheapest method back to yourself.
It is great for temporary needs like when you need to empty a room so
you have a room to put stuff in from another room while you are sorting
it.
Msg #14713 Dated 1:53:56 08-16-91 14672 <--> 14770
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Now THAT is postal SERVICE! Thanks, but mine should be here tomorrow.
Msg #14716 Dated 2:04:07 08-16-91 14671 <--> 14737
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
You get really good and you could move from the Lumpenettes to the
Mavenettes - yes, there really was such a group.
Msg #14718 Dated 2:09:20 08-16-91 14685 <--> 14719
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURES
Linking Ring, October 1982, page 68.
Msg #14719 Dated 2:19:41 08-16-91 14718 <--> 14888
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LECTURES
Thank you for the citation of the Hindu Shuffle Force technique. I'll
look it up.
Msg #14722 Dated 6:08:04 08-16-91 -> 14773
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: DAUB
The formula for daub is 24 drams powdered soapstone, 6 drams Oleic Acid,
5 drams Bismark Brown Y Base (dye), and 4 drams Rhodamine Base (dye)
for red and 24 drams Powdered Soapstone, 5 drams Oleic Acid, 2 grains
Victoria Blue B Base (dye), and 4 grains Nigrosine Base B (dye) for
blue. This is from the book _How It Is Done_, a book with a very
interesting past.
Charlie
Msg #14724 Dated 8:06:42 08-16-91 -> 14795
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: TONITE SHOW
Lance Burton will be on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson tonite,
Friday 16 Nov. (At least that's what I was told)!
Msg #14725 Dated 8:15:33 08-16-91 14303 <--> 14729
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
It is very difficult for me to answer straight on these things...
A rhizome is an underground stem. Some plants spread in these
fashion. A rhizome is capable of rooting and shooting at each node
(now don't you wish YOU could do that?) Just think...only here and
maybe on Mr. Wizard can you get the answers to such questions.
Msg #14726 Dated 8:15:50 08-16-91 14304 <--> 14727
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I am gonna go look for it tonight. He is one of my favorites anyhow.
Msg #14727 Dated 8:15:56 08-16-91 14305 <--> 14733
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I know Ken Flecher but don't really know any of the demonstrators now
that David is no longer there. I have never seen Ken visiting the
Dee Cee shop, but I guess he must do so from time to time. You will
note their prices are a bit higher since they gotta pay the overhead
for that location and are selling mostly to tourists and other non-
magi.
Msg #14728 Dated 8:16:12 08-16-91 14306 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LOS AMIGOS
You mean "the sum of the parts IS greater than the whole"? (I think
I might have said this already at some point in the distant past.)
Msg #14729 Dated 8:16:19 08-16-91 14307 <--> 14732
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Sounds good to me...this month is pretty much shot and October is
pretty much booked up already. If you are talkin to the York one,
see if he is interested. Nick and Jane have learned to put up with
his idiosynerasies (remind me to tell yo about the last time I was
out there with Scotty).
Msg #14730 Dated 8:16:35 08-16-91 14309 <--> 14735
From: BILL WELLS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LAWYERS
I automatically put "ha's" on both sides of most things you say as
you should have already learned to do with 97.6% of the messages I
leave as well. The height of the bumper or the vulgarity has little
to do with the stooping of the I.B.M. As a matter of fact, bumper
stickers are pretty good for covering up dents. It is the "cute"
stuff I don't like. Personalized plates are not high on my list
either. Do you issue plates in Kragbourgh?
Msg #14731 Dated 8:16:53 08-16-91 14311 <--> 14739
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 100
How many of the 100 had more than one line?
Msg #14732 Dated 8:16:59 08-16-91 14317 <--> 14745
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Actually, it is a sniggle of entendri. A pair of them is sometimes
referred to as a snickle.
Msg #14733 Dated 8:17:07 08-16-91 14318 <--> 14734
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I don't know where the magic sales information you mention would be
captured. IRS must get some of it from magic dealers. They might
get some of it from performers. I believe the Department of Commerce
is the likely agency to release information such as your quote. The
problem is that magic income is such a small amount, I wouldn't think
they focus on it at all. Most likely it gets lumped into a larger
catagory. I thought you were asking about the ratios of income that
a dealer/performer would realize. There are so few of those that a
survey wouldn't be that difficult.
Msg #14734 Dated 8:17:31 08-16-91 14319 <--> 14747
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I am crushing the ice and chilling the silver cups rite now.
Msg #14735 Dated 8:17:36 08-16-91 14320 <--> 14746
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
As I was telling El-Tabo II, I don't really mind bumper sticker per
se, it is the obsession our society seems to have with being cute
that I don't like. T-shirts have also taken this obsession to a new
high....howsomever if they are wet and worn by the opposite sex, I am
much more tolerant of what's cute. Hmmm...wonder if anyone has ever
had a wet bumper sticker contest. Next thing...someone will be
starting a torn-and-restored bumper sticker appendage to this lawyer
thread.
Msg #14736 Dated 8:17:57 08-16-91 14321 <--> 14777
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Rudy Coby does the nails up the nose, but it's not for me. Is the
castle gonna book a real geek act with live chickens and light bulbs?
Actually, nails up the nose is much too sophisticated for a geek to
do.
Msg #14737 Dated 8:18:09 08-16-91 14322 <--> 14753
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I think I was more tolerant and thought better when I was younger. I
have often wondered if graduate school didn't force me to become more
narrow minded in my thought process. The push for specialization is
so very strong within the scientific academic community.
Msg #14738 Dated 8:18:23 08-16-91 14323 <--> 14802
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
You are correct, 10 meg HDs did come later. The HDs were sold by
someone other than IBM. I forgot to mention that 16K RAM was the
standard. Didn't extra RAM cost a bloody fortune? This article went
on to compare the power and cost of the first PC to that of Hewlett
Packard's hand held computer (don't remember model) which has the
same computing power and is less expensive.
Msg #14739 Dated 8:18:39 08-16-91 14324 <--> 14776
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 100
I had to take the kids to the dentist and therefore was only able to
make it for bunch. There may have been some substance in some of
those messages, but a lot of them would have fit onto a bumper
sticker!!
Msg #14740 Dated 8:18:52 08-16-91 14328 <--> 14778
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GIANT SILVER HALF DOLLAR
Back when this big coin bit first was getting popular, we (Scotty and
me) haunted the gift shops to find the paper weight - wall hanger
type big coins. Since they were one sided we would have to get a
head and a tail one. Then we shaved em down and put em together to
make a coin. As a matter of fact, I recall one of the first ones we
made was for David Roth. I came across one of the head sides we
didn't make up just the other day. Splitting cards was a lot easier.
Msg #14741 Dated 8:19:11 08-16-91 14330 <--> 14742
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
What was she doing? Reading your name badge?
Msg #14742 Dated 8:19:19 08-16-91 14337 <--> 14748
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
All these "lecture" messages are raising some interesting issues, but
we seem to be foundering around a bit. In truth, many so-called
magic lectures are not lectures at all. They don't teach much of any
thing at all. They are more of a Show-and-Tell event wherein the
"lecturer" performs an effect and then exposes it. Someone (I think
it was Max) correctly made the point that most of the magician
audiences are primarily interested in seeing a trick done and then
being told the secret, NOT in learning anything.
Would there be a benefit if we established certain catagories of
"lectures" to be used in booking and advertising them. For instance:
A: Performance ONLY lecture - no tipping only performance;
B: Lectures on Concepts - no tricks per se, just principles, and
related areas such as promotion, stage craft, etc.;
C: The Standard Ten Trick Show and Tell Lecture - complete with
notes giving bare bone explanations of the ten tricks.
...and so on.
Personally, and I am really not interesting in arguing any of this
with anyone 'cause it is MY opinion only, I stopped going to most
lectures a long time ago because I got tired of seeing an effect and
then having to sit through an explanation of something I already
understood from having seen the performance, particularly when the
explanation took three or four times longer than the effect and was
sometimes used to "pad" the lecture. Another downside was the fact
that lectures were often asked to explain very basic moves which were
only of minor importance in routines. I am sure this was equally
frustrating to the lecturer as well. Personally, I think such
questions would be better left until after the lecture. Most
lecturers seem quite willing to assist folks with questions on moves
and other matters at the end of the lecture, particularly when the
note selling is completed.
I (again, this is MY opinion) would much prefer to see a "lecture" be
basically a performance and maybe a discussion of the performers
thinking behind what he does. Sort of a "Magus in Concert" type
thing. If the performer wished to sell individual effects or a
program of his performance with annotations that would be OK since
some income is probably needed to make the performance affordable to
magic clubs. My point is that I don't want to be taught moves and
sleights at a lecture. I want to see a performers approach, his
style, his concepts. I dearly love to be fooled! ...and I enjoy
staying fooled awhile so that my feeble brain is forced to think...I
certainly don't want the secret dumped out in front of me in the next
five minutes. Anyone worthy of calling themselves a magicians should
be able to devise a solution to any effect on their own anyhow! Who
knows? That solution might even be superior to the one used by the
lecturer. I wish lectures were more of a stimulus and motivational
force in magic...not just show and tell sessions.
I think I started talking about the need for definition of what a
magic lecture is and then got off on a tangent...since I feel the
urge to go off on another tangent regarding why folks woud want to
learn a highly individualized routine (such as most of David Roth's)
move for move, I will stop! Pete was hitting at this topic in some
of his messages, but I haven't seen anyone pick up on it yet.
Msg #14743 Dated 8:21:18 08-16-91 14341 <--> 14780
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I DON'T THINK I WANT TO S
Be sure to tell Joe that EPA has banned the use of asbestos in Close
Up Mats.
Msg #14744 Dated 8:21:23 08-16-91 14342 <--> 14749
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I saw the same reaction from the audience at one of David's shows
here in Washington, DC. Also evidence was the sex idol type reaction
from the female members of the audience whenever David walked onto
the stage. The audience clearly knew what the illusions were and
had their favorites.
Msg #14745 Dated 8:21:39 08-16-91 14350 <--> 14775
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
One could say that it was a weed stooping to conquer. Is is also an
incantation uttered by Henning when doing the Asrah.
Msg #14746 Dated 8:21:44 08-16-91 14351 <--> 14781
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Problem with the list is that it conveys so little information. I
don't know how to describe some of the stuff...for instance, I said
sponge balls cause I didn't think anyone would know what I meant if
I said my ball and bowl routine using the Kapp's Portable Bowl. I
also found myself listing a lot of stuff 'cause you asked for ten,
when I seldom do more than about four of the items. I also found
that I had difficulty breaking stuff out into identifiable effects as
I have been doing bits and pieces of so many things in routines for
so long that I no longer think of the individual components. Might
be interesting to ask what one was doing ten years ago as opposed to
what they do today.
Msg #14747 Dated 8:22:13 08-16-91 14352 <--> 14750
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Which kind of polish? Brasso or Wright's?
Msg #14748 Dated 8:22:18 08-16-91 14354 <--> 14752
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Talk to your dentist...or some medical type. The "bands" used for
folding coins used to be slices off rubber tubing I thought. I think
that small bands used by orthodonists for braces can also be used.
Msg #14749 Dated 8:22:31 08-16-91 14356 <--> 14758
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Tabby, you are getting close to some very good thoughts in that
message. I think you almost said that asking Max Maven to teach you
the double lift during his lecture could be akin to using a megaton
warhead to blow the nose of the proverbial gnat....if you were about
to say it then I am sure it was just a matter of time.
Msg #14750 Dated 8:22:45 08-16-91 14386 <--> 14755
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You might have just won the prize for the shortest and prehaps most
meaningful message of the month. Whatever, I think the thread is now
completely unraveled.
Msg #14751 Dated 8:22:53 08-16-91 14399 <--> 14767
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
A standing ovation for a clear and concise statement of the taping
issue!
There is one thought in there that I think worthwhile to be revisited
on this "electronic party line". If I might quote "If a given
producer does not want to hire me because of it, or a potential
attendee elects not to come, that's fine with me. If they want to
participate in my lecture work, however, it is on my terms." While
I happen to agree with your position, I wish to address the larger
problem of the failure of producers and performers to agree on what
is being bought, particularly within the context of booking talent
for magic conventions. There is certainly ample sin of both sides of
this issue to substain a new discussion. Your excellent statement of
your position just triggered off a long latent concern on an area
badly in need of attention.
Msg #14752 Dated 8:23:29 08-16-91 14418 <--> 14754
From: BILL WELLS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Cindy...what kind of coin effect are you interested in doing? I
think we could provide you with a lot better advice on specific
references rather than an entire library of coin magic books if we
had some idea of where you want to go with this. Bobo is THE bible
for core material. All the others are enhancements, variations, or
advancements based on that core. The building blocks are in Bobo.
Msg #14753 Dated 8:23:47 08-16-91 14428 <--> 14771
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Where is the magnet in that one?
Msg #14754 Dated 8:23:52 08-16-91 14469 <--> 14756
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
What a delightful thought! How wonderful it would be to experience
the feeling of reading "Stars of Magic" or another comparable classic
for the first time once again. I am also jealous!
Msg #14755 Dated 8:24:02 08-16-91 14471 <--> 14782
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I didn't feel accused...just wanted everyone to understand that a few
grains of salt often need to be taken with many of my messages. Of
course, you ARE correct regarding potential for misuse.
Msg #14756 Dated 9:20:02 08-16-91 14679 <--> 14757
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Thanks for the info on the Roth notes... if it only shows the
layout... forget it... I don't need any more info on that phase.
Msg #14757 Dated 9:20:07 08-16-91 14680 <--> 14764
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yeah... clever the Button routine... but seeing it is different
than reading it (hmmmm familiar line?).
.
Can't wait to find some other objects that principle can be used
with...
Msg #14758 Dated 9:20:18 08-16-91 14690 <--> 14784
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
As far as a lecture goes, I could be called one that does not
"preprae properly" -- I find that I tend to be much like I am here
online... going into anecdotes... chatting with the attendees and
creating new stuff on the spot, variations, etc. It is a pretty
loose session... more of a teach in, really.
Msg #14759 Dated 9:20:26 08-16-91 14695 <--> 14760
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I heard Bush asked Jeff how to do the ball and vase.
Msg #14760 Dated 9:20:30 08-16-91 14696 <--> 14762
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
OK here is the new trick. Actually it is a sleight of hand variant
on a marketed item by Gaetan Bloome. First buy the trick from a
dealer (I think Joe Stevens is the only one authorized to sell it),
then send me proof of purchase and I will tell you how to do the
trick without the gaffed deck.
.
Effect: "What No Wall". A card chosen, a thumbtack put into the sie
(er SIDE) of the deck... you say you will slam the deck against a
solid object and the tack will find the card. You SLAM the deck to
your FOREHEAD and the card is 'tacked' in place.
.
OK, I wanted to do this with a LARGE ROOFING NAIL. The gaff will
only work with a tack (this is fine, just that "I" wanted to use a
bigger nail!
.
So since Gaetan's modus operandi will not accompany a big nail, I
had to come up with an all new method. And in doing so, when the
trick is over... you are left with a NON GAFFED DECK and can do
other things.
.
OK, now, according to your penalty I still have to post a trick
for ALL, so... give me a half a day... I'll return with a major
miracle. (Hoping Max divulges handling of his Hindu Shuffle).
Msg #14761 Dated 9:20:54 08-16-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: PRICE CLUB
Ee;14697
I just poured a bowl of RAISIN BRAN from a bulk sized bag bought at
Price Club. NO RAISINS in bowl! Looked at bag... the raisins are all
on the bottom. So tomorrow I will pour out of the bottom of the bag
first.
Msg #14762 Dated 9:21:3 08-16-91 14698 <--> 14808
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I have seen several magic acts that produce feather flowers and do
the Mango Tree (?) and the blooomin feather dusters... these acts
seem to run long enough to take advantage of a production of
Kudzu.
.
The way I would do it... have a flower pot filled with fertile soil.
Kudzu is just a point where it don't show... Cover the pot with a
large metal tube. Make few false attempts to produce something,
then go on to other stuff. At end of act... you say, "Oh, I forgot
to do the tube trick!" Go over, lift tube and show the incredible
bush that has appeared!
.
Give it, as a gift, to the Juggler on the show. So that next day
he cannot get into his dressing room, hence not do is act, thusly
not steal the show from you!
.
There, I have given you and everyone else a NEW TRICK.
Msg #14763 Dated 9:21:21 08-16-91 14700 <--> 14810
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
I have the Unabridged copy of the Wordfinder and I don't find
the Auto Hag in dere at all. Whatsit meen?
Msg #14764 Dated 9:21:27 08-16-91 14701 <--> 14765
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Some people like to be puzzled. Argh.
Msg #14765 Dated 9:21:31 08-16-91 14702 <--> 14779
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Jay Marshall said, "IN THE NEW MODERN COIN MAGIC" THAT WE, (He and
his Wife Frances -- Ireland/Magic Inc. -- same outfit) *ADDED*
material from Goshman, Mullholland, and others, when the 2nd Ed.
was published by us. The copyright ran out on the Jones Ed., which
we overlooked... we had planned to re-copyrite at the correct time
following OUR PUBLICATION... forgetting about the earlier Jones Ed.
date. That is why Fulves, via Dover published it WITHOUT the added
material... which is about 1/4 to 1/3 more magic." Pete speaking
again, There are really only 3 editions (Magic Inc. might have
had two printings -- I didn't ask, but when I was there one time
it seemed to me that a huge number of cartons of the book had
recently been delivered and were in the storeroom. I recall Jay
complaining about how much space was being taken up by them.
(Gee I think I forgot to change the thread name here... but so
DID YOU BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Msg #14766 Dated 9:21:49 08-16-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: BOOT
I bet when T A gives "the Boot" the steel toed version he used to
wear when he was a foundry worker come into play! Good IDEA.
Msg #14767 Dated 9:21:56 08-16-91 14705 <--> 14806
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
OK, then you can by Rope Ready TV.... just tie it to the bedpost
and when the shows are lousy you can practice the shoe lace knot.
That way yo won't be wasting everyone's time at my lecture asking
how to do the basic crap.
Msg #14768 Dated 9:22:03 08-16-91 14709 <--> 14811
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
Boy I wish I knew what all that DIR ????0*.* STUFF MEANT? I name
everything different by my mood or what has just happend.
HOT
HOT.OUT (HOT DAY)
LANCE
LANCE.OUT (BURTON ON TV TONITE)
CAR
CAR.OUT (JUST DROVE SOMEPLACE)
.
PRETTY ORGANIZED HAH...
Msg #14769 Dated 9:22:14 08-16-91 14711 <--> 14812
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
DID YOU CHANGE IT?
Msg #14770 Dated 9:22:18 08-16-91 14712 <--> 14813
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
YEP, I do that to when I travel. That's how I got all the stuff
from Baltimore back here. It took about two weeks longer than my
trip to Europe, so I didn't have to carry any of it.
.
Jay Marshall (yesterday's conversation) said, "I have one of your
shirts... the one you washed and hung up to dry at the hotel in
Lausanne, I'll bring it to you in Vegas."
.
Boy that worked great. It was a heavy one too.
Msg #14771 Dated 9:22:30 08-16-91 14716 <--> 14800
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I undestand the Mavenettes come in GROUPS OF THREE only.
Msg #14773 Dated 9:22:41 08-16-91 14722 <--> 14794
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: DAUB
You rat... you found Litzau's book before I did. Actually, I had
no way to find mine... it is somewhere, but I was at Byron Walker's
last night and bought a new copy from him. Boy, in his private file
there are about 8 different looking editions. I got the one with
the most colorful cover (and the cheeeeepest too).
.
I think the Silver or Gold sheen was the one I used.
.
If the person wanting to go farther and get those formulas let me
know... but it is far more complicated than the color versions.
.
My guess is that a small pad of max factor make up or eye shadow
might be the "learning" version that would be most practical.
Msg #14774 Dated 9:22:56 08-16-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CRABB WITHDRAWAL
Ee;14724
I don't know about youse other folks... but over 24 hours without
any messages from Tabby Crabb... and I'm getting the shakes... it
is really awful... I hope I can make it... maybe I better get in
the car and go someplace... argh, argh, ech.... uh... ooh...
Msg #14775 Dated 9:23:04 08-16-91 14725 <--> 15229
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Remind me not to check out Mr. Wizard!
Msg #14776 Dated 9:23:07 08-16-91 14731 <--> 14798
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: 100
100 What?
Msg #14777 Dated 9:23:11 08-16-91 14736 <--> 14799
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Most Geeks I have known usually "Miss" the nose with the nail and
create new effects. But the paramedics usually take them away before
they collect any scratch!
Msg #14778 Dated 9:23:16 08-16-91 14740 <--> 15231
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: GIANT SILVER HALF DOLLAR
I never bothered making them two sided. No one is allowed to touch
the props when I work... they usually stayed well back, that is
until I discovered SCOPE... then the trouble began. But when a
Jumbo coin is produced and slammed down to the table (well sort of
slammed -- you just want to let them know it isn't one of the foil
covered chocolate ones -- I have a few of those) that's all you
need. But if you are sophisticted and skilled like youse two guys
I guess you show both sides. Or if you work on glass table tops,
and have drunks laying on the floor looking up.
Msg #14779 Dated 9:23:28 08-16-91 14742 <--> 14783
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Gee, after reading your great message on Lectures... I can see why
you liked mine so much!
.
Since YOU print the program for the IBM, why not use your plan on
descriptions of each lecture? A chance for us to be FIRST again.
good idea.
.
Note: Dante wanted to know why no one contacted Genii for an ad
in the Baltimore Program? So, I told him I would tell you to call
for a Genii ad to go into the Salt Lake City program. (Just credit
the commission to my phone bill)....
Msg #14780 Dated 9:23:41 08-16-91 14743 <--> 15233
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: I DON'T THINK I WANT TO S
The
flamin'
Matrix, er Chink-a-Chink does not need asbestos close up mat... it
requires asbestos hands, arms and elbows!
Msg #14781 Dated 9:23:47 08-16-91 14746 <--> 14790
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Go ahead, ask. Just trying to steer in some magic discussing..
Msg #14782 Dated 9:23:51 08-16-91 14747 <--> 14789
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
MINWAX.
I assume you also take your small change to COIN LAUNDRY
Msg #14783 Dated 9:23:56 08-16-91 14748 <--> 14786
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
YOU WERE AT A DENTIST YESTERDAY AND DIDN'T GET ME ANY? I can't
afford to go yet... I saw an ad (got in mail) from magic dealer
listing "1,000 rubber ligatures for folding coins... $10.00"
Who the heck wants to buy a thousand of em. Why don't they put
25 in an envelope and sell 'em for $2.00 -- I would go that...
but 10 skins... no way Hosay.
Msg #14784 Dated 9:24:04 08-16-91 14749 <--> 14785
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Next time you see me, I will be happy to teach you the double lift
I have developed that is really easy to do, no get ready, no fumble
and is gooooooooooooooood.
Msg #14785 Dated 9:24:09 08-16-91 14749 <--> 14804
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I have, through THOUGHT... (that's new for me) finally, finally,
HIT on the secret of the Frank Shield's TOP CHANGE. YOU GOT TO SEE
IT.... It came to me yesterday when something Frank taught me about
another move leaped out and said ... this same principle is what
made HIS top change INVISIBLE at close quarters! Showed Byron
Walker last night and fried him. with it...
Msg #14786 Dated 9:24:18 08-16-91 14752 <--> 14788
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I never saw the Building Blocks through the table, or the Building
Blocks across, in Bobo?
Msg #14788 Dated 9:24:44 08-16-91 14754 <--> 14803
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Wait til my book gets printed. You will have the thrill of reading
a classic for the first time. Am close to done writing it... now
the photo search and take.
Msg #14789 Dated 9:24:50 08-16-91 14755 <--> 14793
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
It is going to be tough for me to digest your messages.... I am on
a SALT FREE diet!
Msg #14790 Dated 10:24:25 08-16-91 14730 <--> 14797
From: STAN LAKE
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Don't know about issuing bumper stickers in Krabourgh. That's across
town from here. About 2800 miles across town. Ask Governor Tabman.
Msg #14791 Dated 10:34:00 08-16-91
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: GOIN' ON VACATION
I'll miss you all for the next two and a half weeks. Won't have a
computer where I'm going but will have plenty of beautiful scenery and
R&R. Talk to y'all later, take care...
Msg #14793 Dated 11:12:29 08-16-91 14750 <--> 14796
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
This is obviously one of those elastic, invisible threads, Bill!
'W.
Msg #14794 Dated 11:18:27 08-16-91 14722 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: DAUB
Charlie - That's a knockout! Thank you for posting the daub formulas.
Msg #14795 Dated 11:21:44 08-16-91 14724 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONITE SHOW
Thanks for the television alert, Pete. Will try to catch the show.
Msg #14796 Dated 11:25:17 08-16-91 14733 <--> 15132
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I think you are right, the statistics collected by the government would
probably be for a larger category than magic. I certainly have never
seen any published figures for the category. I have some friends in
the competitive intelligence field, I'll ask them if there is any data
available.
Msg #14797 Dated 11:29:45 08-16-91 14735 <--> 15240
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LAWYERS
What I don't like are people who wear T-shirts with long messages or
poems on them and they forget that they have them on. You start
reading the message and they start getting insulted that you are
staring at them.
Last night I watched Jerry Burton do a torn and restored slice of
provalone cheese. The neat part of the effect is that the performer
can eat the gaff and show his hands and his plate clean.
Msg #14798 Dated 11:33:13 08-16-91 14739 <--> 15244
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: 100
Actually, that particular morning there WAS a lot of substance in the
messages. Lots of good thinking about magic. But you are right, a lot
of the mornings are given over to one-liners. I have no affection for
the inappropriate one-liners, but, short of taking people's modems
away, there is little I can do about it. I toyed with the idea of
starting a system for comedy, but then I realized that the Goddess, in
her infinite wisdom, had already invented television for that purpose.
Msg #14799 Dated 11:37:33 08-16-91 14736 <--> 15230
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I think the other act that week was eating snake heads. I did hear
that the nail up the nose guy was more sophisticated than the other act
that week. Personally I think that nails up the nose only appeals to
the eye-ear-nose-and-throat medical fraternity - what do you call 'em?
Sinustologists?
Msg #14800 Dated 11:40:22 08-16-91 14737 <--> 14801
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
In truth, you are possibly right - increasing age leads to some
decrease in "tolerance," although I'm not necessarily sure I know the
full meaning of the word. Graduate school is indeed a place to make
sure that one engages in "politically correct" thinking about one's
field. It is designed to force you into a set mold and to focus you so
narrowly on your specialty that you will not look to other disciplines
for answers.
But that is philosophy and this is MAGIC! So maybe your comments will
trigger a discussion of whether or not magic should look outside itself
for inspiration or whether it is so specialized that the look should
only be inside itself.
Msg #14801 Dated 11:45:06 08-16-91 14771 <--> 14867
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I don't believe there is a standing body of Mavenettes, I think they
are formed ad hoc as the need arises. I'm not sure that three is a
particularly sacred number in this case - as I recall it was presumably
triggered by budgetary requirements and not by aesthetic
considerationns. Three, of course, is a reasonable number for
Mavenettes - along with Max and a driver they will fit nicely into a
car, it works well at resturants where the majority of tables are
designed for parties of four, etc. But I can only speculate - for the
real info you gotta ask Max.
Msg #14802 Dated 11:49:29 08-16-91 14738 <--> 15247
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
If you really want to move into the big time, Bill, the American
Printing House for the Blind is currently trying to sell off some
surplus equipment (Louisville, Ky. Phone: 502-895-2405). The offering
includes a 4341 central processor, 3278 system console, 3274 controller
and a number of card readers, card punches, tape drives, etc. It is
all apparently functional and most of the major pieces are currently
under a maintenance agreement (with Bell Atlantic until September 10).
They will even throw in some left over Holerith cards (IBM or "punch"
cards). I'd LOVE to have a functioning card punch/duplicator, but the
shipping from Louisville would eat me alive). I have a trick that uses
the cards and I need to make some dupes.
Msg #14803 Dated 12:03:51 08-16-91 14765 <--> 14841
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
There is still some confusion over what is in which edition of which
book here. The first edition of "NEW Modern Coin Magic" was produced
by Ireland/Magic Inc. in 1966; only 14 years after the original edition
of "Modern Coin Magic" and 13 years BEFORE the copyright ran out on
"Modern." Goshman, Hayden, Judah, Tannen (Louis), Mulholland, Hamblen,
Buffaloe, James and Harrison are all mentioned in the acknowledgements
and it is billed as having "4 new chapters - 100 new tricks." If Jay
added material due to the copyright thing, then that would have to be
a later edition of "New Modern."
Msg #14804 Dated 12:12:17 08-16-91 14758 <--> 14837
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Well, if it works, keep doin' it! I haven't heard any complaints about
your lecture style yet. But for what you are describing, video-notes
would be the ONLY form of notes that would be worthwhile.
Msg #14806 Dated 12:17:02 08-16-91 14767 <--> 14827
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Actually, I've already been to a couple of your lectures - the Magic
Castle one last year (the priv. one up in the library) and the
Kraybog one at the Hotel de Carlo in June of this year. And I don't
recall wasting everyone's time asking about basic moves.
The problem with a lot of your stuff, Pete, is that it is ephemeral.
Until you get the 600 books out there is little for future scholars to
look back on and say, "Ah! THAT was Biro!" And I think that a LOT of
your material belongs ON VIDEO. Think about how you horde those
precious snippets of Kaps video, etc. Talk to Joe about a Biro video
- if necessary, I'll help do the production.
Msg #14808 Dated 12:26:09 08-16-91 14760 <--> 14809
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
It does sound like a great idea, Pete. And I hope that someone (or a
few someones) will take you up on your offer - proof of purchase from
Joe and you will send the ungaffed version. But, frankly, I don't do
card to forehead with or without tack. It just doesn't fit my
personality. OK, OK, maybe I do boat-to-forehead in the privacy of
"bathtime" with Nathan (he loves the effect) and, on very rare
occassions, pizza-to-forehead when he needs cheering up, but it just
isn't my kind of public effect. I DO appreciate the offer though.
What -I- want to see is your NEW DOUBLE LIFT - _THAT_ I could use!!!
Msg #14809 Dated 12:29:57 08-16-91 14762 <--> 14828
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Your Kudzu trick is great! And I really like the idea of giving it to
the Juggler. Perfect ending, and, with Kudzu, it WOULD WORK. Just
remember to make FAST MOVES with the tube lift - otherwise the Kudzu
has you. Also, DO NOT reherse it within 50 miles of home.
Msg #14810 Dated 12:32:37 08-16-91 14763 <--> 14829
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
You WON'T find it under autohagiography. Check under HAGIOGRAPHY.
I'n not going to tip it here - you gotta do the homework.
Msg #14811 Dated 12:35:17 08-16-91 14768 <--> 14814
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
NOW I understand where you get your one-liners, Pete. They are
concatenation attempts! COPY HOT+LANCE+CAR JOKE.TXT
Msg #14812 Dated 12:36:22 08-16-91 14769 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SEMI-ELECTRONIC POSTCARD
NO! You've so riddled the threads with the phone bill tip that there
was no way to change it without major disruption. So far, nothing
tipped in public that was a problem (on that topic), just wanted to
warn you before it got to where you might not want it to get.
Msg #14813 Dated 12:38:18 08-16-91 14770 <--> 14831
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Tell him to send the shirt to Seabrooke - it will go well with the tux.
Never did get a confirm from you that you got the pyramid award from
Baltimo'.
Msg #14814 Dated 12:29:08 08-16-91 14709 <--> 14820
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
Being able to continue the same reply file is actually quite useful if
you don't have the time to reply to all of your new messages in one
sitting -- especially if you've been away for a few days and have a
pile of message to wade through. It allows you to bop in and out of
IMP and create one reply file to upload when you're through.
.
In any case, it's probably best if the program would tell you up front
if you've entered a duplicate name and offer you the option of
specifying another name, or overwriting or appending the existing file.
.
To just have your messages completely disappear is a little
disconcerting (Tommy didn't know about Norton Utilities and lost a few
rather large replies). When it happened to me I read the file through
Norton and discovered that my new replies WERE there, but the original
end-of-file marker hadn't been removed.
.
Note that this doesn't happen ALL of the time -- only about 50% or so.
Msg #14820 Dated 12:54:26 08-16-91 14814 <--> 14830
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
Got it - Let's see if JERRY BURTON has a response to the situation. I
agree that IMP/RDMAGIC should warn you about matching file names and/or
should allow you to do it, in which case it should get rid of the EOF.
Msg #14823 Dated 14:07:53 08-16-91 -> 14824
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: BAD NEWS
Just got a call from Don Martinez, stage manager at the Tropicana in
Las Vegas. Don's father... ROGER RAY... has just suffered a major heart
attack! As you know Roger made a "rare" appearance for us at Baltimo9re
during the IBM and
"stopped" the show.... will keep the info coming as it hits... pray!!!!
Msg #14824 Dated 15:55:05 08-16-91 14823 <--> 15051
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Just got hit - hard - by your message, Pete. Prayers are certainly
happening here. Please do tell us as soon as you have more info on
ROGER RAY. Please tell Don that the thoughts of the entire MAGIC!
membership are with his father, him, and his family.
Msg #14827 Dated 18:25:57 08-16-91 14806 <--> 14834
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I have never object to anyone taping anything I do. I only ask that
they send me a copy. I learn every time I see a tape. I would have
given GOLD to have had a film of my Dad's Vaudeville act. He said
someone wanted to film it one time, but he told the guy NO. And he
later regretted it!
Life is too short to worry about if someone is ripping me off. I
have more important problems to solve!
And if they are getting a thrill out of it.... great!
Get in touch with Mike Lacey. He wants to book Williamson, but needs
to see the act! dig....
Msg #14828 Dated 18:26:10 08-16-91 14808 <--> 14838
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I just found out I can't get a redey flight home Sunday, Sept. 9.
So how about a MAGIC! BRUNCH... at another location? You can show
me how you are doing with the SQUIRMLE (I just found three of them
in my old cabinet).
Msg #14829 Dated 18:26:17 08-16-91 14810 <--> 14840
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
I ain't going to look up hagioaassagroping or nothing... i am on
another subject already.
Msg #14830 Dated 18:26:21 08-16-91 14811 <--> 14855
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
I don't get it. But that's ok, isn't it?
Msg #14831 Dated 18:26:25 08-16-91 14813 <--> 14856
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
I only came away from Baltimore with Trunkletrott's business card.
Msg #14834 Dated 18:32:20 08-16-91 14751 <--> 14845
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Having been on both sides of the producer/performer relationship, I am
constantly amazed at the problems that can arise. I know of many acts
who've arrived at a convention only to discover that they are listed in
the program to do things they never agreed to do. On the other hand, I
have had acts show up without necessary materials because they expected
the production staff to round them up, but never mentioned it in the
months before.
Msg #14835 Dated 18:55:27 08-16-91 -> 14846
From: PETE PERATA
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
I just logged on and read your message, so this might be a little old.
However, last winter some time, I took a small trip to the "Ghastly
Gallamaufry", to see a seminar done by a man named Richard Turner. I
was downright amazed. I have been into cards for a number of years
now, and he baffled me. I seriously suggest that you purchase his
tapes. They are a little high,(about $85) but it is worth 500.00. If
you want to get into Gambling routines I cannot stress enough you buy
his tapes. Dai Vernon says he is one of the best card sharps today.
He does look a little on the Mark Twain /riverboat gambler side, so you
might of seen him before. Hope that helps.
Let me know
Msg #14837 Dated 20:05:05 08-16-91 14693 <--> 14857
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Higher-priced ones.
Msg #14838 Dated 20:06:48 08-16-91 14698 <--> 14839
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Yeah, I always thought kudzu was the ideal no-gaff method for the Mango
Tree effect.
Msg #14839 Dated 20:08:08 08-16-91 14762 <--> 14847
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Great minds think alike -- and so do ours.
Msg #14840 Dated 20:08:54 08-16-91 14700 <--> 14854
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Aleister Crowley did it.
Msg #14841 Dated 20:10:07 08-16-91 14703 <--> 14842
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Just what the hell do you mean, ASSISTANT torturer?
Msg #14842 Dated 20:11:56 08-16-91 14757 <--> 14848
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I saw Gaetan perform it in his lecture; he also did an absolutely
wonderful effect with a rope and padlock which I have seen no one else
perform.
Msg #14844 Dated 20:48:10 08-16-91 -> 14849
From: GEORGE L WILLIAMS
To: ALL
Re: TONIGHT SHOW
Lance Burton will be on the Carson show tonight. We're watching the
East coast feed on Satellite.
Msg #14845 Dated 22:25:51 08-16-91 14834 <--> 14851
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I can believe it... we have worked really hard to get these problems
out in writing... and acts still dumbfound me. And some of the worse
are the "so called" big time Professionals!
Msg #14846 Dated 22:27:05 08-16-91 14835 <--> 14889
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE PERATA
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Turner has been around awhile, and yes is amazing. Have you got George
Joseph's tapes? He's a real pro living in Vegas.
Msg #14847 Dated 22:27:48 08-16-91 14838 <--> 14852
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Makes me think of the old dumb line... Wherever Woman goes, Mangos.
Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Msg #14848 Dated 22:28:32 08-16-91 14842 <--> 14858
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yeah the rope padlock is an amazing trap of a diabolical set up. It is
in his lecture notes. The man is COOOOOOOL....
Remember Persi's card in the purse on your back, Himber marketed!
Msg #14849 Dated 22:29:27 08-16-91 14844 <--> 14860
From: PETE BIRO
To: GEORGE L WILLIAMS (X)
Re: TONIGHT SHOW
Rat... I sure miss my satellited. I will probably miss sthe TV show, as
I saw Lance live last week and will see him again Tuesday nite and I
got to get up and on the road tomorrow at 6 ayemmm,mmmmm,,,..mmmm.
Msg #14851 Dated 22:46:47 08-16-91 14827 <--> 14912
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I agree with you 100%. I have a tape of my mother just talking with
family and, believe me, it IS worth its weight in gold. Personal video
is entirely different than broadcast. A completely different medium.
Will take care of Lacey over the weekend and will make arrangements on
Monday - dig...
Msg #14852 Dated 22:50:37 08-16-91 14828 <--> 14853
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
You talking about a Brunch in Veglas? Lemme know where and when.
Haven't started on Squimly yet - got side tracked into dollar-bill
frogs - based on Mike's card frogs - they can be done a couple of
different ways.
Lemme know where you plan to be on Sunday, Sept. 9th.
Msg #14853 Dated 22:52:57 08-16-91 14838 <--> 14913
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Yes, but you have to do it as the last effect of the show. Otherwise
the Kudzu will take center stage, backstag, will upstage you and will
exit stage left. Back to the origin of this thread - Kudzu for
SuperPig!
Msg #14854 Dated 22:56:40 08-16-91 14840 <--> 14878
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Maybe so, but that still don't make it "legal." Now, had the Maid of
Orleans done it...
Msg #14855 Dated 22:59:38 08-16-91 14830 <--> 15048
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
Yeah, it's OK if you don't get it. Lynn Healy probably enjoyed it.
Msg #14856 Dated 23:00:28 08-16-91 14831 <--> 15130
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Er, I think that's Tunkelrott, but that's OK. Haven't seen her around
for a few days. Maybe on vacation.
Msg #14857 Dated 23:04:49 08-16-91 14837 <--> 15053
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Glad you took the tack you did - I meant the question to be rhetorical.
Msg #14858 Dated 23:07:46 08-16-91 14841 <--> 14863
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Sorry - Gilbert & Sullivan, the Yeoman of the Guard.
Msg #14860 Dated 23:11:05 08-16-91 14844 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GEORGE L WILLIAMS (X)
Re: TONIGHT SHOW
Thanks for the tip - believe Biro posted it also earlier in the day.
Msg #14862 Dated 23:12:43 08-16-91 -> 14879
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MARVYN ROY
A very pleasant evening. Traveling incognito as a tourist from Toronto
(hope our Canadian members will excuse me, it is a line from a
commercial currently running in Los Angeles) the family went to the
Landings Resturant at the Airtel Plaza (7277 Valjean Ave., Van Nuys,
Ca. - just off Sherman Way) where, on Friday nights from 6 to 9 p.m.
MARVYN ROY is the table-hopping house magician. Marvyn came over to
our table and did a beautiful show which had Nathan utterly enthralled.
Lots of good stuff including a nice Professor's Nightmare.
I'm a member of the Marvyn and Carol Roy Fan Club. To me they are
consumate performers - always friendly and personable with GREAT
presentation. And they are real troopers - once I tipped my disguise
Marvyn told me the story of some of what happened at Abbotts - seems
that just before going on stage, Carol FELL and tore TWO LIGAMENTS in
her leg. She didn't tell Marvyn until AFTER the show. The paramedics
were called and they put her on a gurney for transport to the hospital.
But, when she heard that they were about to be presented an award, she
insisted on being wheeled on stage! THEN she agreed to go to the
hospital!
Dinner was very good to excellent - I had chicken breast stuffed with
apples and pistachio nuts, Anita had Weinerschnitzel. Both were very
good and were beautifully served on plates loaded with a variety of
perfectly cooked vegetables. Nathan also thought highly of the veal.
There were a variety of very nice deserts available, including a killer
Rocky Road Cake. Dinner was in the $13 to $16 menu price category with
the Rocky Road Cake being extra.
A very nice evening. Those who are in the area who want to stop by
should check to make sure Marvyn is there on any particular Friday
night, as they do travel. For information and reservations you can
call the Airtel at (818) 997-7676.
P.S. - Once Marvyn recognized me, he showed me a great torn and
restored cigarette paper effect - no thumb tip, no switch, and a
spectacular conclusion.
Msg #14863 Dated 23:33:30 08-16-91 14638 <--> 14864
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Heard about Bloome's Pin routine. Supposed to be great. Have ordered
the video. Buttons through table sounds pretty neat too!
Msg #14864 Dated 23:37:21 08-16-91 14752 <--> 14865
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You know, "Coins Across" & "Winged Silver" have always been two of my
favorite coin effects. But there are so many out there that to tell you
a specific type of effect I'm interested n would be almost impossible!
Think I'll work with Bobo for a while before I start getting really
specific. So far, Bobo has given me a helpful way to get around a
particularly awkwardsteal that Roth had in his "Coins Across". I think
it's time to sit back and read a bit.
Msg #14865 Dated 23:42:01 08-16-91 14786 <--> 14900
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Gotta have really BIG hands! (think I'll let that one die away
quietly...)
Msg #14867 Dated 23:56:36 08-16-91 14716 <--> 14870
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Don probably has the album (if they ever made one!)
Msg #14868 Dated 0:04:51 08-17-91
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: STAN LAKE
Re: ROTH BOOK
Don spoke to David Roth yesterday about possibly helping out with
another edition of the book - Roth said, basically, that because of the
uproar caused by the shortage of books available, Richard Kaufman will
be putting out anther edition - probably not for another two or three
months though. So, I guess there is hope yet!
Msg #14870 Dated 0:19:55 08-17-91 14867 <--> 15052
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Actually, the Mavenettes were in an MCA video. I'd read you the
specific videographic citation, but searching for it at this particular
moment could awaken others in the household. Perhaps someone else here
can furnish it for you.
Msg #14872 Dated 0:57:15 08-17-91 -> 14874
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: LANCE
Just saw Lance Burton on Tonight Show....GREAT!!!
I wonder though, how many of us remember HHenning performing with
identical box on same show. I thought at least Lance could repaint it.
Purple boxes with glitter stars don't seem his style.
Otherwise, I never get tired of seeing his floating birdcage. If you
get to Vegas, SEE HIM!
David (the other one)
Msg #14873 Dated 0:56:04 08-17-91 -> 14875
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: GENII
Just began my first look through the August, 1991, GENII. Beautiful!
The cover could be another great Genii poster cover - some really
incredibly things have happened with the graphics since Dante took the
helm. A number of MAGIC! members well represented inside --
"Wordstar," an effect by Phil Goldstein, "Resturant Magic for Children"
by Jim Sisti, book reviews by T A Waters, Billy McComb's reviews of
Michael Ammar tapes, and more.
Keep 'em coming, Dante!
Msg #14874 Dated 1:04:38 08-17-91 14872 <--> 14877
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: LANCE
Lance looked great tonite on Tonite! I too love that floating
birdcage, but I keep wondering, doesn't the bird get dizzy?
Msg #14875 Dated 1:06:16 08-17-91 14873 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: GENII
AArrgghh! (tm - Biro) AND - in Genii - a GREAT ad for the Tabman USA
and Conjurors Woodworks MUSIC CITY CONCLAVE in Nashville on January 10,
11, and 12th. A killer line-up of talent!
Msg #14877 Dated 1:25:31 08-17-91 14872 <--> 14920
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: LANCE
Regarding the design of the box, it is not the same paintjob as on the
Henning one; in fact, it's not even the same box -- Lance built this
one himself. The whole point of the design is that it is meant to look
like a typical magician's prop, rather than Lance's customary style --
go back and listen to the intro, where he refers to it with the
intentionally ludicrous title of "The Purple Box of Death."
The trick, by the way, is the creation of Jim Steinmeyer, although when
Lance bought the rights he modified the method. The effect is,
obviously, based on the classic Backstage illusion originally performed
by Dante. The painted audience backdrop plus the hand-clapping gag are
straight out of the Dante routine.
By the way, the backdrop Lance used on the Tonight Show appearance is
the one that was done for him when he broke the routine in at the
Tropicana. (It as too large for the Hacienda stage, so he had to have
another one painted.)
There's an in-joke on the backdrop, which you can spot if you look
carefully when he pulls away the drape on the table. There, sitting in
the painted audience (visible under the table) is Doug Henning.
Msg #14878 Dated 2:37:35 08-17-91 14854 <--> 14884
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Legal is, in this case, as legal does; "autohagiography" is a perfectly
legitimate word -- as is, for example,
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis...
Msg #14879 Dated 2:40:29 08-17-91 14862 <--> 14885
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MARVYN ROY
Another nit -- Marvyn and Carol, unless they enlisted recently, are
TROUPERS.
Msg #14880 Dated 7:13:40 08-17-91 -> 14881
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Thanks for the information, as I said, what I had heard about Karrel by
reputation certainly did not match what I seen on stage for the
lecture. In one respect I am very sorry that I mistook health problems
for indifferernce. I wish him well and hope to see him when he is
feeling better. Randy
Msg #14881 Dated 7:17:18 08-17-91 -> 14887
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Maybe something like the old Red Skelton hour. The effect was very
much the mime of Red with that slow build. Any other variety show
would do as well. It certainly would not go well in night club or
something like that.
Msg #14882 Dated 7:23:33 08-17-91 -> 14891
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
If I was doing Abbotts, I would bring my own sound system. From others
who hav been going there far longer than I the sound system is a
perennial problem. If you are willing to lay out a few thousand for
publicity photo's you should part with a like amount for a decent sound
system. For the kind of music played with most magic shows huge
speakers are not a requirement as the deep clean bass is not a must, a
decent bass and clear strong mid range and highs are achievable with
some fairly portable speakers and a couple of hundred watts well placed
will do any indoor auditorium.
.
You raise an intersting point in the Europe bit and other venues. I am
going to upload a philosophical treatise based on my abbotts experience
and I again critize the high proportion of music only acts. FOr Europe
is this because of the language barrier. I don't know, maybe the
contstraints on magic performance today force the look alike aspect of
most acts, but I hope not.
Msg #14883 Dated 7:34:05 08-17-91 -> 14925
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
ABBOTTS RECAP
.
We are just back from a fine vacation in northern Michigan. We
had the boat up to Charlevoix and gedunked around Grand
Traverse Bay, Lake Charlevoix and Little Traverse Bay for four
days. Evenings were in a two bedroom luxury suite where the
loft bedroom had a jacuzzi. (guess which BR Marilyn and I got
and which the kids got). Great time.
.
I had the opportunity to think about the Abbotts Get Together
a little deeper than in my daily dispatches. These comments fit
into two broad areas. 1) organization and 2) magic
performances.
.
Organizationally too little takes up too much time. A typical
day goes from 9:00am to 10:30pm or 13.5hrs. A breakdown of
used time looks like this.
.
Day WedThuFriSat
.
Lecture 1 1 1 1
Talent Contest 2 2
Show 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5
Matinee 1
Special Event 1
Lunch 1 1 1 1
Dinner 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.5
Total 6.0 8.0 8.0 8.0
.
This leaves 5.5 hours per day to wander the dealers showrooms
(takes 1 hr 1 day at most due to lack of space this year) and to
gab with your friends. It gets very long by Sat. The Get
Together would be improved significantly by the addition of
more material such as workshops, dealer demonstrations,
additional lectures, open performance times for those who want
to hone stage skills or any of a number of other things to help
fill that time.
.
In the area of magical performances far too many acts looked
alike. I got an nearly uncontrollable urge to bring my 12ga shot
gun and use the next dive that was produced and thrown out
over the crowd for target practice and I wanted to plant a bomb
in the next vanishing bird cage that was brought on stage.
Seriously, at least 5 acts involved the production of a number of
doves that were subsequently vanished in the cage. Back Stage
with the Magician was performed twice professionally and once
in the talent contest.
.
About 80% of the acts were to music alone where one trick
simply followed the next. ( On reflection however, this did not
bother me nearly so much with the pure prestidigitation acts
like Ray Wilcox as it did with the silk/dove/apparatus acts).
.
The conformity to a certain pattern or formula or more
accurately a few different sets of patterns was palpable. In this
respect the magic fraternity is very much like the photographic
fraternity. I used to belong to a camera club and the PSA and
all that good stuff and you seen exactly the same pattern I am
seeing in magic. Conformance to a formula is valued above all
and followed by nearly all, professional and amateur alike.
.
For the amateur (looking back at the contests) this takes the
form of encouraging a very high level of technical skill applied
against a rather narrow range of artistic options. One of the
most beautiful pictures I have ever seen was taken by a
Canadian amateur of a black girl in a black bolero hat with a
gold embroidered rim. Done low key against a chocolate
backdrop only a hint of the facial outline was visible along with
dark cherry lips and a hat band that looked like ruddy
burnished bronze. I failed in club competition badly because
"portraits shouldn't be dark". Likewise the young man at the
contest failed with a low key act that showed artistic creativity
in favor of other acts that met formula.
.
For the professional this means a large body of journeyman
photographers who again may be very good in a narrow range
and only a few who dare or are able to breakout into being
really creative.
.
Abbotts certainly did not do anything to convince me that this
analysis is incorrect. There were flashes of creativity. Brett
Daniels produced birds (big ones) and sometimes with an off
beat reason (to find a selected card) but they were few and far
between.
.
Painting went through a similar stage a couple of hundred years
ago when the French Classical School ruled the roost. The you
painted with an "S" curve composition, in muted tones and
pastels, pastoral scenes or portraits or you didn't paint. Then
in the nineteenth century along came the Impressionist School
who turned the art world upside down and I doubt few of us
would argue that the revolution wasn't for the better. Magic
needs its Monet's et al and needs them badly. People who will
at once be creative and break the formula's and who will and
can lead. And hopefully as the Impressionist School was soon
followed by the Post Impressionists, Cubist's, Pointillists,
Surrealists, Abstractionists, etc, etc, so to magic will begin to
flower in a number of new and creative directions.
.
Randy Lund
Msg #14884 Dated 11:09:42 08-17-91 14878 <--> 14890
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
I was not questioning the legality of the word, I was questioning the
legality of the work. As to your other -- well, it sounds a bit like
someone has sand in their throat.
Msg #14885 Dated 11:12:27 08-17-91 14879 <--> 14916
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MARVYN ROY
You are, of course, correct. I guess I should have mentioned that as
we were leaving I was almost struck by a vehicle and it
must have left a subconscious impression - it was an Isuzu.
Msg #14886 Dated 11:12:49 08-17-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: GENII
Yes, the new issue of GENII is really impressive. The cover graphics
really stand out as among the best I've seen in a magic magazine ever.
(Shouldn't the center box showing the replacement sheets of the poster
have been adjusted to explain the disappearance of the assistant on the
right?) Many members here have already mentioned the noteworthy
highlights...I enjoyed all those mentioned along with Jim Patton's
MAGICANA column with Gary Kurtz, one of my favorites...and also the
latest installment of Tony Giorgio's Letters....GREAT STUFF!!!
Keep it up, Dante!!!
'Wayne.
Msg #14887 Dated 11:15:54 08-17-91 14881 <--> 14903
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
For the first time in several months I watched a bit of television -
thanks to the various television alerts on here I was able to catch
a couple of magic acts that were embedded in variety shows. After
seeing what passes for contemporary entertainment, I miss the old Red
Skelton Hour.
Msg #14888 Dated 11:25:15 08-17-91 14674 <-
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURES
Will do!
.
Thanks for the tip on the books -- I'll give him a call.
Msg #14889 Dated 11:25:21 08-17-91 14846 <--> 14926
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Right! As good as Turner is, you still have to remember that he's a
magician, and his technique doesn't hold a candle to any gambler
I've seen.
Msg #14890 Dated 11:31:20 08-17-91 14878 <--> 14896
From: LYNN HEALY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Isn't that a miners' lung disease? Is it still the second longest word
in the English language?
Msg #14891 Dated 11:34:40 08-17-91 14882 <--> 14893
From: LYNN HEALY
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Sorry Randy, but I happen to think that there are far too many talking
acts. I've seen many magicians do some WONDERFUL effects and then
totally destroy their image by insisting on talking -- Copperfield and
Pendragon are two biggies that come to mind, and the amateurs and
semi-pros are far worse. Too many magicians think that knowing how a
trick works makes them qualified to perform it, and a large number of
the pros out there have absolutely no stage training or voice coaching.
.
Given that, they should leave well enough alone and not destroy their
image by opening their big mouths!
.
I just thought of another one: Rocco! As charming as his accent is
in some respects, his manner of speaking does not at all match the
persona he has created.
Msg #14893 Dated 12:16:05 08-17-91 14891 <--> 14895
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Two more who, in my opinion, should do silent acts are Franz Harary and
HOBSON.
Msg #14895 Dated 12:24:34 08-17-91 14891 <--> 14904
From: T A WATERS
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I will agree with part of what you say -- there ARE far too many
talking acts, to the point where a lot of people think magicians are
guys who stand at mikes and chatter on, every so often getting around
to an effect. Copperfield? I think it's WHAT HE SAYS and his apparent
motivation: at the dramatic presentation of illusions he may be the
best around -- but he seems to want to be thought a comedian (or may be
he is simply afraid of being taken seriously), and when he does that
stuff he is interchangeable with a thousand lesser lights.
Pendragon I have gone round and round with -- yes, he does have a
very slight speech impediment, but that ain't the problem; it is that,
as with so many, he will rehearse and script the movements exactly BUT
NOT THE WORDS. When he is doing stuff he has solidly scripted, he's
fine; I don't think anyone gets more out of the Linking Finger Rings
than he does, and that's a talking piece.
I used to ask people what they thought of magicians and when, not
unusually, the response was negative, I asked what it was they didn't
like -- and always got the same two answers: "They all do the same
tricks" and "They talk too much."
I also hear magicians say, "Hey, any trick they haven't seen is new"
-- apparently these people haven't been informed of the invention of
TV; most people have seen a lot of magicians -- and since magic, by its
nature, is at least supposed to be special, they tend to remember when
they've seen stuff before.
Ah, it's little old going-off-at-a-tangent me, isn't it?
Msg #14896 Dated 12:33:49 08-17-91 14884 <--> 14897
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Actually, the other is a miner's disease, sometimes incorrectly
referred to as "black lung."
As to your other point, who are you saying might not be a saint --
Max or Aleister?
Msg #14897 Dated 12:35:04 08-17-91 14890 <--> 14898
From: T A WATERS
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Yes; the longest is the one I say when I see Ace Assemblies...
Msg #14898 Dated 13:05:07 08-17-91 14896 <--> 14899
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
I was not denying sainthood to either. Just to the concept of a
self-inflicted hagiography.
Msg #14899 Dated 13:09:51 08-17-91 14897 <--> 14923
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
But T A, isn't that one only a prolonged ululation of a four letter
word?
Msg #14900 Dated 13:58:38 08-17-91 14647 <--> 14901
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I will have to check those out Pete. Right now I am in the middle of
packing for a business trip back east. I will be going to two weeks of
school followed by two weeks of well earned vacation in Michigan. See
ya back here on September 11th.
Msg #14901 Dated 14:01:23 08-17-91 14666 <--> 14917
From: DARRELL MURPHY
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Thanks I'll give it a try.
Msg #14903 Dated 17:07:38 08-17-91 14887 <--> 14907
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
So do I. In my opinion Red is the best comedian/mime of all time. No
yelling, no sexual innuendo, no vulgarity, just plain funny to the
core....Randy
.
PS it was from the Red Skelton Hour that I learned to appreciate mime.
Msg #14904 Dated 17:10:28 08-17-91 14891 <--> 14924
From: RANDY LUND
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
It was not my intent to damn music/mime acts per se, but rather to
complain that so many magi follow a formula of a string of effects/
unrelated, but showy done to music only as the show format. Mime has
its place, music only has its place and voice has its place. I would
also comment that maybe magi need to get voice training. We are first
of all entertainers (who entertain with magic) and we need to do what
needs be done to entertain our audience. I personally am not very
entertained by a string of effects done to music (or to poorly done
voice either).
.
What I would like to see is magi be more creative and understand their
role as entertainer better so that when I go the next Abbotts and see
16-20 acts in 4 nites I see 16-20 different acts, not 3 or 4 acts done
3 or 4 ways each with a couple of gems thrown in.
.
Randy
Msg #14905 Dated 17:17:19 08-17-91 -> 14906
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: MAGICXDB
I have read with interest the thread on using MAGICxDB or some other
vehicle to produce a large magic database, cross referenced and all
that. I am not sure how well my program can be adapted to do that and
still retain its original (and still primary) purpose of being a
working to to assemble shows from a working trick list and to perform
other basic show related housekeeping matters. Of primary importance
to me when I wrote it was 1) ease of use, 2)speed, 3)clarity of
function. MAGIC3DB will add archive for books and tricks but is still
not aimed at what you were talking about.
.
While BASIC was and is the best language for doing what I had n mind
(ie you can't do the user interface I use in any dB program I know) it
may not be best for large dB work for the following reasons:
1) Upper limit on entries 32000 or so, system set and I cant change
2) limit of 64k string space. This palces and even more stringent
limit on in RAM index files and making those files disk based slows
things to a crawl. MAGIC3DB keeps its performance by splitting the
trick database into an index file and a datafile with only the index in
RAM. Older versions have the entire dB in RAM.
.
PARAGON, dBASE IV, ORACLE or some other database program might be
better for what you have in mind.
.
Also do you see the program running inside MAGIC!, a program that
accesses a database that resides on MAGIC! or the downloading of the
database from MAGIC!.
.
Send me your thoughts on this and maybe we can discuss this some more.
I am very interested in the project.
.
Randy
Msg #14906 Dated 19:10:07 08-17-91 14905 <--> 14965
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGICXDB
OK, thanks for the info, Randy. I also hope you enjoyed your vacation
on "Cups and Balls." So far, we are still in the early planning stages
of the database project, and I, at least, have no fixed pre-conceptions
of what it should be like. I did want to get your opinion on MAGIC3DB
and I do agree that the limitations under which it operates probably
preclude its (and BASIC's) use for this proposed project. On the other
hand, as you mentioned, it does have a wonderful user interface. I'm
going to come up with a way for the "committee" to meet here on MAGIC!
without getting in the way of the general topics. That will allow for
more consideration of the design. Will work out a plan for electronic
committee meetings and will report back.
Msg #14907 Dated 19:15:11 08-17-91 14903 <--> 14931
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Red Skelton was certainly one of the funniest and most enjoyable
comedians. And yes, his mime was wonderful. Maybe someone will re-air
the show or selected weekly shows someday.
Msg #14908 Dated 20:23:21 08-17-91 -> 14909
From: GARY PLANTS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ANOTHER FROM KAPS
Hey Tabman, it's Gazoo MaCee, not MaKee. I have your package ready,
and will drop it in the mail 8-19-91. Hope you like it. Don't tell
Biro, OK? You know how these gambling secrets are!!!
Msg #14909 Dated 20:23:29 08-17-91 -> 14910
From: GARY PLANTS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ANOTHER FROM KAPS
Evan, the whole point of "daub" is to mark the card so you can find i
t. Anything that will make a mark on a card can be used as daub. A d
aub is a smudge. Just don't over do the marking and you can use just
about anything. Pencil lead rubbed on the striking surface of a mat
chbook is real good and can be carried easily. The secret is to not
apply too much to where is REAL noticable.
Msg #14910 Dated 20:23:39 08-17-91 14000 <--> 14932
From: GARY PLANTS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ANOTHER FROM KAPS
Boy, now that's clever.
Msg #14911 Dated 20:43:03 08-17-91
From: GARY PLANTS
To: PETE PERATA
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Pete: Thanks for your help. I got the Turner tapes as soon as they
came out. They are well produced and Richard is very amazing. I spent
some time with Richard at one of the early Las Vegas Seminars. He has
the best second deal!!! You said you have been into cards for some
time. What kind of things do you do? Any specialties?? Thanks again.
Keep me in mind if you run across anything dealing with gambling.
Msg #14912 Dated 22:04:07 08-17-91 14851 <--> 14937
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Appreciate it... was hoping to see Mike Lacey's brother today while
I was in Monterey for the annual Historic Car event. But not to
be found... did find Leno... he was lookin' but didn't buy no new
old cars! Just got home. Tarred, but not feathered! (TM)
Msg #14913 Dated 22:04:14 08-17-91 14852 <--> 14914
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
No no, no brunch in Vegas... when i get done working Sat. nite in
Rosamond, will er I mean Sunday... will have the morning and mid
day Monday 9 Sept. in and around LOUSY ANGELES!
Msg #14914 Dated 22:04:19 08-17-91 14853 <--> 14938
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Who is brining the Kudzu? When I see Lance Monday I will ask him
his opinion of the PIGEEEEEEEEEEK! OK, I want credit for Pigeek!
Msg #14916 Dated 22:04:29 08-17-91 14862 <--> 14941
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MARVYN ROY
I hope you left the usual $50 tip for the magician!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #14917 Dated 22:04:33 08-17-91 14863 <--> 14918
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Button's thru the table not only neat, but very clear PLOT and is
partly mechanical... the learning curve will be friendly. I would
find good bright colored buttons about 1 1/4-inces across (that is
the size of a Kennedy Half) and with a fair amount of weight. And
'NO' protrusions in the middle -- so they lie flat. You will need
four of them.
Msg #14918 Dated 22:04:41 08-17-91 14864 <--> 14919
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Good plan... read a bit... see what you can... study the SIMPLE
PLOT stuff. So many magic routines are impossible for the spectator
to realize what the effect is. The cleverness and "need(?)" to be
different by many clouds many a good effect. Remember it is the
audience's PERCEPTION that is EVERYTHING.
.
I have just taken a complex, many-sleight and move, card routine
and made it a PIECE OF CAKE... by working a mechnical (gaffed cards)
way to do the necessary... THE PLOT AND EFFECT TO THE AUDIENCE STAYS
THE SAME.... IT IS EASIER TO 'perform'....
Msg #14919 Dated 22:04:53 08-17-91 14865 <--> 15105
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I forget "why big hands" message... but what the hay.... I used to
ENVY Fred Kaps. He would palm a card and still have a finger of
space LEFT OVER!
Msg #14920 Dated 22:04:59 08-17-91 14872 <--> 14921
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: LANCE
I am a good friend of Lance, I love what he has done, and is doing,
EXCEPT.... for the first time.... I felt his wardrobe was out of
style? Any comments?
Msg #14921 Dated 22:05:05 08-17-91 14874 <--> 14922
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LANCE
No, the bird is still looking for the gimmick!
Msg #14922 Dated 22:05:09 08-17-91 14877 <--> 14942
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LANCE
Awwwww you tipped it... we could have had a contest to see who
could name Henning on the drop!!!! I think the one for the Hacienda
has the flaw that my friend mentioned. Am going up to LV Monday and
take another look.
Msg #14923 Dated 22:05:16 08-17-91 14878 <--> 14930
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
A word longer than ANTIDISESTABLISHMENTARIANISM! wOw.
Msg #14924 Dated 22:05:20 08-17-91 14882 <--> 14927
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Instead of BRINING your own sound equipment... you should have a
'RIDER' in your contract that specifies a "MINIMUM REQUIREMENT
QUALITY" for the sound system.
.
Many acts, to work year around, must have one that has NO LANGUAGE
BARRIER, hence the 12 minute TO MUSIC format. However, when booking
a series of shows, like a magic convention, one should work out
the PROPER balance. Of not only SILENT VS. TALK, but SOLO vs. Group,
Man only, vs. BOY GIRL, Fast vs. slow, IN ONE vs. FULL STAGE.
.
IT AIN'T EASY. IT TAKES ME MORE THAN A YEAR TO BALANCE AND BOOK
THE IBM SHOWS.
Msg #14925 Dated 22:05:35 08-17-91 14883 <--> 14980
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
Interesting analogy... enjoyed your reporting and thoughts. See a
few of my messages re: content, sequence of acts, balance, etc.
.
Many magic bookers don't even understand their jobs. You can't,
and shouldn't book all 10s, you have to go up and down in speed,
quality, style, etc. so the GOOD UNs come out even better. We can
set a line up to build a certain act into a KILLER on one show, that
goes over MEDIUM GOOD in another line up. I have a great example.
.
We had an act set to be 2nd from closing on a "middle night". The
act believed he belonged on the FINAL NIGHT... THE BIG SHOW....
So, "all of a sudden the props were missing... the airlines has
lost them... I can't work without them..." So we changed the line
up for two shows, moving this act to last night and an act from
last to middle show.... Act moved to last night did POORLY....
it was the wrong place for him. He would have been the STRONGEST
ACT on the middle show and I believe would have been close to a
standing ovation.....
.
Just like you don' put a satirical act on too early... the aud
iences need to have seen TOO MUCH STRAIGHT MAGIC... then the satire
KILLS.
.
I could (and probably will) write a book on this aspect!
Msg #14926 Dated 22:06:00 08-17-91 14889 <--> 14967
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Gee, I thought others would have noticed that he is, indeed, a
magician....
.
Yup, the gambling kinda guys really do it differently.
.
Wonder how many have ever seen a guy run up a deck in a real game?
.
Is more than magic! When I watched a real cheat dealing crooked
Black Jack at a Casino (he told me when he would be on the floor
and how to act while watching him) I was the scariest thing I have
ever seen with cards!!!!!!!!
.
Two trips ago a Casino Manager was standing with me at the bar, an
old codger came over, started to talk. Took a liking to me. Asked
the MGR if I was "OK", Mgr. said, "No problem" -- one nod to a pit
boss and we had a deck of cards. This old feller commenced to deal
bottoms (He showed me later) on a barstool, while holding a drink,
and/or a cigarette from time to time... that, er, well, uh, made
the line "don't play cards with strangers" REALITY!!!!!!!!!!
.
LOVE THE STUFF.....
Msg #14927 Dated 22:06:22 08-17-91 14891 <--> 14928
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
RIGHT... I think (re: too many talking acts) that possibly at
Abbott's, Greg overbooked silents....
.
Yeah, for me when, say Franz Harary opens with some great flash
and style... then stops, walks over and grabs the microphone... he
COMPLETELY BLOWS THE 'MYSTERY MAN' IMAGE... and becomes a mortal
man with a mediocre speaking voice.
.
Where is Orsen Welles, when we need him. I wish these fellows would
use an offstage (taped?) narrator.... would be so much better.
.
David C is getting better at the talk portions, tho....
Msg #14928 Dated 22:06:36 08-17-91 14893 <--> 14929
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
hobson? silent.... you just lost 300 points, david me bucko!
I would have thought you would have sed the Pennster...
Msg #14929 Dated 22:06:41 08-17-91 14895 <--> 14944
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
When I talk to comics about the "average" magician's they work with
in comedy clubs they all ask me why so many of them do the same
tricks!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #14930 Dated 22:06:47 08-17-91 14897 <--> 14950
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Are the first two letters "S" "H", the next 36 "I" and the last "T"?
Msg #14931 Dated 22:06:51 08-17-91 14903 <--> 15029
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
I guess you never hung around Red in Vegas shows. My mom was a
chorus girl with a line that worked big time, and when the girls
(she had retired) came to Vegas to work she went up and visited.
The headliner at the time was Skelton... and in that context, and
backstage... she said he was the most Vulgar person she had ever
run across!
.
Still think he is one of the all-time greatest performers ever, tho.
Msg #14932 Dated 22:07:01 08-17-91 14908 <--> 14933
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: ANOTHER FROM KAPS
OK, he didn't tell me. But what I told him was the F Box at B.W's.,
is Bridge Size.
Msg #14933 Dated 22:07:06 08-17-91 14909 <--> 14934
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: ANOTHER FROM KAPS
Gary, if you are using IMP (RDMAGIC) you need to do a hard
carriage return before you get to the end of a line. I had that
problem befo... boy am I sorry I didn't get to see you work at
Balto... don't miss Lennert Green at next March Magic Desert Seminar
Msg #14934 Dated 22:07:13 08-17-91 14910 <--> 15115
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: ANOTHER FROM KAPS
Glad you liked it (I assume you were remarking about the Kaps
gamgling sequence in his last letter)...
Msg #14937 Dated 22:52:32 08-17-91 14912 <--> 14983
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Glad to have you back. It's been quiet all weekend. Tell Leno to join
me next year for the Car Show at the Charlotte Motor Speedway. Entire
speedway full of cars, parts, you name it. I usually hang out with a
guy who sells battery cables for Hudsons.
Msg #14938 Dated 22:54:03 08-17-91 14913 <--> 14939
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Soon as you know what day of the week you is talkin', let me know. I
can find L.A. pretty easy. You can stay here or wherever. Was just
thinking of you - had some reels out and was lookin' at 'em - including
the special one you sent me. Thinkin' about a dollar-bill frog vanish.
Msg #14939 Dated 22:56:35 08-17-91 14914 <--> 14984
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
YES, PLEASE be sure to ask Lance what he thinks of SuperPig (Pigeek [tm
- Biro]). Tell him that as far as many of us are concerned, he can
HAVE IT for marque at Hacienda. Also, remind him to sign-on and join
the crowd here.
Msg #14941 Dated 23:00:56 08-17-91 14916 <--> 14987
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARVYN ROY
I tried to - Marvyn wouldn't let me. Actually, he had a BEAUTIFUL
technique for working tips - subtle, totally in keeping with the
environment, etc. Very classy guy.
Msg #14942 Dated 23:04:12 08-17-91 14920 <--> 14943
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANCE
Interesting, Biro. Anita's first comment on seeing him walk out on
stage (the Tonight Show) was "That's not Lance." Something - wardrobe,
make-up - bothered her. She kept saying he just wasn't coming across
as well in the appearance. The effects, particularly the birdcage,
were killers and it was obvious the house was going nuts, but she felt
cool to the image.
Msg #14943 Dated 23:07:24 08-17-91 14921 <--> 14947
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANCE
Yep, that's what I figured. Thanks for reassuring me.
Msg #14944 Dated 23:09:33 08-17-91 14928 <--> 14948
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
OK - my choice for performer who most needs a silent act, now that
you've reminded me, would be a toss up between Hobson and Penster.
Msg #14947 Dated 0:07:11 08-18-91 14877 <--> 14988
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LANCE
Thank you for the real story. With Henning's illusions being sold
and the close visual similarity, most of us would have arrived at
the same assumption.
Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer Lance's silent
routines. Lynn's and Randy's recent messages regarding silent vs.
spoken routines said it quite well. Although Lance does have a
good speaking voice, I didn't think he had the time on this show
to establish his character. I would have preferred to see him
open with one of his classical routines, followed by a brief
"Thank you" interlude leading into his finale. This is just my
personal preference. In his new show he has all the time he needs
to establish his character, and that's fine. I'm glad that the
people in Las Vegas are seeing his name on the marquee. For all
those years at the Trop, most people didn't know he even existed.
I was just asked today about "that Lance Burton guy" wondering
who he was and if he was any good!
David (the other one)
Msg #14948 Dated 0:07:31 08-18-91 14893 <--> 14949
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I agree! If he insists on speaking,Franz should at least lose the
headset. That contraption on his head does nothing but detract
from the show. I wonder if he is receiving cues from somewhere?
Even so, a lavalier mike and an earpiece would be much less
distracting. I can't help remembering Sinead O'Connor on one
award show when her headset receiver went dead she had to hum
along to her own song!
Msg #14949 Dated 0:12:40 08-18-91 14948 <--> 14955
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Franz is a creative and talented guy, but seems to loose the mystique
when he speaks. But I was just thinking about it and maybe it isn't
Franz or Lance (as in the comments you made to Max), maybe it is the
ALTERNATION between speaking and silent that is a problem, especially
if you start out silent. In thinking about it, I have viewed MOST of
the "now I'm coming up front to talk to you" bits in shows that begin
with a silent portion as distracting and disapointing. It seems to me
that if you watch the Copperfield specials, he does the reverse - he
starts out talking and then goes back to do a single illusion and then
returns to talk to you. He develops the rapport UP FRONT and is
clearly the performer - the illusions can't take the show away from him
because he is already a friend. You can excuse him not talking while
"working" because he looks awfully busy, but then he comes back to talk
to you. Quite a difference from the feeling that "I'm interrupting
this show so I can tell you something."
Msg #14950 Dated 0:19:40 08-18-91 14898 <--> 14952
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Gee, I dunno -- who better?
Msg #14952 Dated 0:20:19 08-18-91 14899 <--> 14953
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
No -- it's a Word I got out of the Necronomicon (Dee translation, 1st
edition, slightly stained).
Msg #14953 Dated 0:21:26 08-18-91 14930 <--> 14957
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
See above.
Msg #14955 Dated 0:25:23 08-18-91 14948 <--> 14963
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Actually, the one I would nominate for the Shuddup award would be
Sylvester the Jester; here's a guy that I think does some absolutely
terrific magic, and I can't watch him for more than 10 seconds because
of the inane bad-pun dialogue he uses. It's a shame.
Msg #14956 Dated 0:30:49 08-18-91 -> 14960
From: T A WATERS
To: ALL
Re: HARARY
Franz Harary tells me he will be appearing on the Labor Day Telethon at
9PM in the evening and then 11AM the next morning; the evening shot
will include a very elaborate new illusion.
Msg #14957 Dated 0:34:22 08-18-91 14950 <--> 14958
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Oh, When da' Saints, Oh, When da' Saints....
Maybe you have a point there - with the "sinners" - mass murderers,
etc. - getting so many big bucks for their bios, maybe the Saints
should turn a prophet now and then.
After all, Leslie Charteris didn't do too badly.
Msg #14958 Dated 0:37:18 08-18-91 14952 <--> 14964
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Aaarrrggghhh! (tm - Biro). Nope, that probably isn't the word. But it
seems to me that I heard somewhere that reading the Necronomicon
through translation is like kissing through a veil. Of course, these
days that could be considered a proper precautionary step.
Msg #14960 Dated 0:43:57 08-18-91 14956 <--> 14993
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HARARY
Thanks for the info on Franz Harary on the Labor Day Telethon.
Appreciate you keeping us posted.
Msg #14962 Dated 1:36:15 08-18-91 -> 14994
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH'S LECTURE NOTES
I got Roth's lecture notes for you. He's got two of 'em; I got you one
of each.
.
By the way, he got a standing ovation today! He's really done some
amazing thing with that coin box of his! I saw him when he was still
working out possibilities with it and thought it was great then!
Msg #14963 Dated 1:39:05 08-18-91 14893 <--> 14968
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I don't know about Hobson, but you're exactly right that Harary
should also stick to a silent act.
Msg #14964 Dated 1:39:11 08-18-91 14897 <--> 15021
From: LYNN HEALY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
OK...I'll bight..what do you say when you see an Ace Assembly?
Msg #14965 Dated 1:39:17 08-18-91 14905 <--> 14996
From: LYNN HEALY
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: MAGICXDB
I don't know Paragon, but you can FORGET dBase IV!! It's like a
dinky toy.
Msg #14967 Dated 1:39:30 08-18-91 14926 <--> 14997
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Even though (or maybe especially since...) I've seen this stuff I
don't know how these guys have the guts to do it! You're right --
it's scary! (If you need a memory jog -- the message was about
gamblers who aren't, shall we say, gambling; as opposed to the skill
level of magicians who call themselves gamblers.)
Msg #14968 Dated 1:39:37 08-18-91 14949 <--> 14972
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
For me the problem with a lot of the illusionists who do speaking
parts is the abrupt change in character. Usually the change is from
a strong character to a kind of dorky one. Their manner of speaking
tells me that they feel out of place.
.
As Biro said a few messages ago, Copperfield has been getting better
over the years. Up to a few years ago he seemed very unsure of his
persona during his speaking parts, and it made me very uncomfortable
at the time. Now he at least seems much more sure of himself, but
he still doesn't seem to really know who he is. He's doing other
people's material, including their patter (Seabrook's burned bill
routine for one), rather than deciding what his character really is
and only doing material that falls within its boundaries.
.
How many silent movie stars bit the dust when talkies were invented
because their voices were out of character with their screen persona?
Msg #14970 Dated 2:21:33 08-18-91 -> 14976
From: HEINZ MINTEN
To: ALL
Re: TAYTELBAUM
Eddy Taytelbaum, one of Hollands well known magicians is coming to the
states again. He will be there for only 14 days in New York and he
wants to know if there is any place there were he could go to meet
other magicians. the last time he was there was one year ago but he did
not see very much. If you can help out. Please let me know
Msg #14972 Dated 2:29:44 08-18-91 14963 <--> 14973
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I really hate to sound like I'm leaning on Harary or something. But
the guy does some good stuff - he just seems to loose the audience when
he talks!
Msg #14973 Dated 2:31:10 08-18-91 14968 <--> 14989
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I think it is a matter of organization - too many people do the silent
first and then suddenly come back speaking. Like you said, abrupt
change of character.
Also, as someone mentioned (sorry if I've slighted someone, but it is
late and I'm tired) - few work on the speaking part as hard as they do
on the silent part. You called it "dorky" and that's a pretty good
term - it is like this shy nerd peering out from around the great show
you've just seen. Call it the Wizard of Oz syndrome - here's the
little guy behind the curtain.
Msg #14976 Dated 2:40:08 08-18-91 14970 <--> 14978
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: TAYTELBAUM
Heinz called in direct from Holland to tell about Eddy Taytelbaum's
planned visit. Messages to him with advice, suggestions, etc. will be
appreciated and will be forwarded back via MAGIC-NL.
Msg #14978 Dated 4:01:31 08-18-91 14976 <--> 14999
From: MAX MAVEN
To: HEINZ MINTEN
Re: TAYTELBAUM
Best bet in New York is Imam's nightclub in the Village, "Mostly Magic"
on Carmine Street. A varied line-up of talent, usually worthwhile
(especially if Imam is performing). There's a casual gathering at a
coffee shop near Tannen's on Saturday afternoon; I don't remember the
location but they'll know at Tannen's.
Tell Eddy I say hello; long time no see.
Msg #14980 Dated 4:05:49 08-18-91 14925 <--> 15002
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
Having booked my share of shows, I'll agree with everything with one
exception. I concur, a good show must have varied styles, pacing,
concepts, emotional levels and so on -- but I don't think there is any
justification for varied _quality_. Mind you, I fully realize that the
budget and scheduling for a given show often necessitates making
compromises, and there are times when one is forced by circumstances to
include acts of lower quality (although hopefully even then not much
lower...). But in a hypothetical show I can't imagine how you would
feel there was any validity to booking any other than top-quality acts.
The notion that weaker acts will make a strong act stand out is, I
believe, misguided.
Perhaps I misread your message.
Msg #14983 Dated 9:34:09 08-18-91 14937 <--> 15006
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Give me two weeks notice on Charlotte Motor Show... and IF YOU DON'T
SEE HUMPY WHEELER... YOU SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK ONLINE....
Msg #14984 Dated 9:34:14 08-18-91 14938 <--> 14985
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Well since you have gone the CAPITALISTIC route with YOUR Froggie,
you could use a Finn Jon loop, float the little bugger, and or
have a thread set up to make it stand up on its own on a table,
or hop toward you, ala SQUIRMLE.... I mean you have opened up a
whole new area hear... dancing cork set up! Gofer it...
Msg #14985 Dated 9:34:22 08-18-91 14939 <--> 15007
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I would have, before, thought the PIGEEK! would be fine at the
Hacienda... but the remodeling is changing the place... it is now
the wrong style...
Msg #14987 Dated 9:34:33 08-18-91 14941 <--> 15010
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MARVYN ROY
You devil you, you could have slipped it in his battery case....
Msg #14988 Dated 9:34:37 08-18-91 14942 <--> 15011
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LANCE
Glad I wasn't the only one. On farther thought.... AND THIS SCARES
ME..... ( see Maven comment last week about Chavez teaching that
you MUST wear tail suit so audience "knows" you are a magician)
<>.... ON FARTHER THOUGHT... when Lance
did the "bird act" he established immediately his look, skill,
magicalness, etc... so look was OK, as magic was strong all the way
through and HIS CHARACTER did not change.
Wearing same coming out an speaking it didn't look right... not
that he should copy David C., but that has become the Look, for
the "talking point/illusionist" and (for me) UNFORTUNATELY somewhat
proves the Chavez theory?
I know when I wore a neat, standard looking EXPENSIVE tux and di
did comedy clubs it was OK, when I switched to outdated Tail coat,
T-Shirt and faded Jeans... same material went over stronger.... as
it was established by wardrobe that I was going to be funny.
Look at Prof. Erwin Corey, if his clothing had fit well, and been
up to style HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AS FUNNY.
Msg #14989 Dated 9:34:56 08-18-91 14944 <--> 14990
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I guess I just don't understand your frame on Hobson. He is truly
one of the funniest stand up guys around. There is no way his act
would work without the verbal activity.... are you "offended" by
his GAY put on? If it is WHAT HE SAYS you don't like, that isn't
the [point] of the thread... the [point] is, THEY DON'T HAVE GOOD,
COMMANDING (if needed) SPEAKING **voices** !?
Msg #14990 Dated 9:35:05 08-18-91 14948 <--> 14991
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I have not seen Harary work with the headset. Frankly, I believe
the headset is a FASHION STATEMENT. There are many new technology
mikes that have the quality that cannot be seen as well as ear
pieces to hear the music. I do prefer to have singing acts NOT
HAVE THOSE GIANT MONITORS ON THE STAGE.
Msg #14991 Dated 9:35:12 08-18-91 14949 <--> 14992
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Robert Harbin, in his wonderful lecture, some years back at the
Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel (thanks to John Gaughan) spoke about the
NEED for a "talking point" for an illusion. He said it was a very
difficult thing, and one that needed to be well thought out. And
that there was a time and not a time to speak... and that had to
be very carefully determined.
.
It is possible that those working today that we are commenting on
just haven't realized THAT TIME AND PLACE as yet.
Msg #14992 Dated 9:35:24 08-18-91 14955 <--> 14995
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Yeh, Sylvester is "close but no cigar" on his talking points...
Remember, however, he is BEING AN ANIMATED CARTOON... but he does
get on the nerves ....
.
The act I really like as well, BUT CANNOT WATCH FOR MORE THAN A
FEW SECONDS is Sam Angelico.... he starts this shrill of a sound
effect (can't put into mere words on the screen) but it drives me
berserk.... he wants me to book him and I hope to see him and ask
him to sit with me and watch AND LISTEN to his promo tape...
.
If he will listen to the 'DIRECTOR' of the show [me] and follow
said direction, he can work.
Msg #14993 Dated 9:35:38 08-18-91 14956 <--> 15017
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: HARARY
An act has to have GUTS to tell anyone on MAGIC! when they are
working.... based on the incredible amount of critique that will
come the following days.... hah....
Msg #14994 Dated 9:35:44 08-18-91 14962 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ROTH'S LECTURE NOTES
Thanks... sorry the dates conflicted, but I had ONE chance to visit
these folks in Monterey and had to go there... Nice to hear David
is still climbing the improving ladder... GREAT MIND, TALENT, ETC.
When I get back from Casino City will call ya...
Msg #14995 Dated 9:35:50 08-18-91 14963 <--> 14998
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Or use a narration background voice type thing version method system
Msg #14996 Dated 9:35:54 08-18-91 14965 <--> 15028
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: MAGICXDB
I have heard (from a guy that makes up programs and is doing well
money wise) for Dentists in Orange County, that FOXbase if very
good? Any comments?
Msg #14997 Dated 9:36:00 08-18-91 14967 <--> 15038
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Yes... the guts. Charlie Miller also had a great comment. "Most of
these so-called gambling expert card men DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO
PLAY CARDS."
.
I know. When I started to play poker with real people... the modus
of action changed beyond belief. It is sooooo easy to glimpse cards
and stack (simple things like a pair of jacks) etc. that you wonder.
Nobody in a real game (I am not talking about the "controlled"
Casino Poker Rooms) is really on the lookout for things. I used to
do false shuffles, palm cards in and out, etc. for fun, not using
them or stacking, just to do the stuff for the excercise. But
almost none of the things done on that turf related to the control
of a close up demonstration show, etc.
.
I also modified the Haskell Gambling act and did it for laymen with
gags, etc. thrown in.
Msg #14998 Dated 9:36:18 08-18-91 14968 <--> 15000
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Another thing that the "old masters" (?), Blackstone, Dante, etc.
had were costume changes to "really" change character. Blackstone,
in particular, had a GREAT and COMMANDING voice...
Msg #14999 Dated 9:36:24 08-18-91 14970 <--> 15016
From: PETE BIRO
To: HEINZ MINTEN
Re: TAYTELBAUM
Sure glad Eddy is coming over, but sorry he is not coming to
California.... I hope some of our Eastern folk can work something
up for him... Bill Wells maybe, who is in Washington DC, but knows
the Old Coast very well. If you speak to Eddy, give him my regards
(Pete Biro) -- and if you see Phoa, the same, thanks for the message
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