MAGIC! - 51
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Msg #15000 Dated 9:36:32 08-18-91 14972 <--> 15001
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
LOOSE? lose.
Msg #15001 Dated 9:36:36 08-18-91 14973 <--> 15012
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
He might have been "the little guy behind the curtain" but Frank
Morgan COULD TALK!!!!!!!!!
Msg #15002 Dated 9:36:41 08-18-91 14980 <--> 15043
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
You (I don't think) "missed" my message. Granted if I was doing
a ONE or TWO night booking of shows, no problem, the quality would
be of the highest calibre. But when you have FOUR nights, and
unfortunatley SOME political pressure, it is tough to find the
quantity of acts at Level X and above... and in particulat as MANY
that the attendees have either NEVER SEEN or have not seen in at
least three, four years. And sometimes a LESSER QUALITY in my eyes
isn't really a bad act. I just might be a common type, doves, canes,
candles with good presentation, but not great.... I didn't mean to
imply a TRULY LOUSY ACT....
.
I have been BITTEN a few times. And maybe will go down in history
for booking the worst act ever.... DR. MAGIC. But I will defend my
right to book acts like his (from the audition tape there looked to
be a very exciting and different potential) in an effort to keep
the style of magic moving (hopefully forward) ... I think I won it
all back with Vodvil 2000 -- but then there were some who told me
Vodvil 2000 was the worst magic show they had ever seen!!!!!!! But
interviewing TEEN AGERS leaving the show, one group said, "Magic
show or music show.... THIS was the BEST SHOW we have ever seen!"
.
Any comments from you on talking points of the illusion acts being
disected here on line?
Msg #15003 Dated 9:37:11 08-18-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LAST MSG
The opening of my previous message is typed wrong... the phone rang as
I was just starting... it means. YOU DID NOT MISS MY MEANING...
Msg #15006 Dated 10:16:01 08-18-91 14983 <--> 15248
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I tried to see Humpy last time, but he was away. I did give regards
from you and his secretary took the message.
Msg #15007 Dated 10:17:48 08-18-91 14984 <--> 15008
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Thanks - dollar frog is kinda fun and I'm just foolin around with him.
I like the dancing idea. Get him a little top hat and cane.
Msg #15008 Dated 10:19:32 08-18-91 14985 <--> 15019
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Maybe the SuperPig (Pigeek [tm - Biro]) could make a ONE TIME
appearance at the Hacienda - Burton could set it on fire, do some weird
dance around it and then VANISH IT.
Msg #15010 Dated 10:22:08 08-18-91 14987 <--> 15455
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARVYN ROY
Now that I think on it - I could have showed him the frog and given him
the sample. Damn! Wish I'd thought of it at the time!
Msg #15011 Dated 10:23:26 08-18-91 14988 <--> 15024
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANCE
Prof. Erwin Corey is a good example. And I see your point about the
Copperfield modified Chavez school idea. But I don't think it is
necessary to copy Copperfield. A good example of a play on the tux
would be Tomsoni. His outfit is PERFECT for a "Polish Magician." The
price tag on the sleeve is a killer.
Key point, I think, is that clothes have to match the personality. I
tend to do tux or business suit. Don't know if it is really right, but
I usually play older crowds and figure that the combination of the
conservative clothes and the somewhat longish hair that I have creates
a reasonably confusing statement that goes with my brand of comedy and
magic. I don't think I could work in a T-shirt.
Msg #15012 Dated 10:28:07 08-18-91 14989 <--> 15013
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Actually, my Hobson comments have been here just to make your morning
orange juice taste better. His gay put on didn't bother me the first
couple of times I saw him, although I haven't had an opportunity to
assay what gay people think of him.
Msg #15013 Dated 10:30:18 08-18-91 14991 <--> 15014
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Yes, I think the key point is that the speaking has to be as well
thought out as the rest. It has to help make the personality and help
establish the magician. Too many seem to regard it casually.
Msg #15014 Dated 10:32:10 08-18-91 15000 <--> 15015
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Yeah - loose, lose - always have had trouble with those words.
Msg #15015 Dated 10:32:49 08-18-91 15001 <--> 15030
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
True! Frank Morgan delivered a GREAT "man behind the Wizard's
curtain." I did have some trepidation about using that as an example.
But it was late, I was tired, and it sorta fit.
Msg #15016 Dated 11:18:16 08-18-91 14970 <-
From: SCOTT WELLS
To: HEINZ MINTEN
Re: TAYTELBAUM
As you may or may not know, Bill Palmer, here in Houston was the heir
to the Taytelbaum collection once owned by Ren Clark. Let us know if
he (Taytelbaum) plans to visit anywhere near Texas this time.
Msg #15017 Dated 11:28:20 08-18-91 14993 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARARY
For a minute your comment about needing guts to tell anyone on MAGIC!
when you are working worried me. Then I thought about it - anytime
magi get together, the most popular sport is critiquing each other. At
least here the mage in question has a fighting chance!
Msg #15018 Dated 11:41:59 08-18-91 14682 <--> 15057
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
Aha! no wonder you're never on it! Kids and computers have some sort of
super glue bond between them. If you want to use an Amiga, you may have
to get one for yourself.
Msg #15019 Dated 11:44:31 08-18-91 14695 <--> 15058
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Maybe something about "a thousand points of flashpaper...". Actually,
judging from the picture, it looks like they're saying "Hello".
Msg #15021 Dated 11:47:56 08-18-91 14958 <--> 15023
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Ah, but THOSE words aren't translated; as in all things, mistakes weed
out the incompetent in Darwinian fashion.
Msg #15023 Dated 11:48:52 08-18-91 14964 <--> 15060
From: T A WATERS
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
It can only be said -- not typed; there are enough characters in ASCII.
Msg #15024 Dated 11:56:32 08-18-91 14988 <--> 15075
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANCE
Pete -- that wasn't Max with the Chavez note; it was me. The
observation is from the chapter in ENCYCLOPEDIA OF DOVE MAGIC by Marian
Chavez on "Conditioning the Audience."
Msg #15026 Dated 11:58:11 08-18-91 14651 <--> 15047
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GEE WHISKERS
Interesting point. I'm probably going to keep it. Our beloved Dr. L had
a great idea, scan two pictures of me in, one with beard, one without.
And let everybody dowload and vote!
As a quick note, I can't hide a gaffed card in it YET...And when I can,
I'll still have to consult Eugene Burger on the proper method for
that..
Msg #15028 Dated 12:20:28 08-18-91 14906 <--> 15032
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGICXDB
Good, I'd like to be involved.
Msg #15029 Dated 12:21:08 08-18-91 14907 <--> 15031
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
I hope so...maybe USA or the Entertainment CHannel
Msg #15030 Dated 12:22:36 08-18-91 14924 <--> 15035
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I agree, it was the lack of balance at Abbotts that struck me. I
assumed, maybe wrongly that they did et cros section of what was
being done.
Msg #15031 Dated 12:26:07 08-18-91 14931 <--> 15040
From: RANDY LUND
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Interesting, he certainly didn't come off that way on TV. In fact we
use his closing line "MAY GOD BLESS" to close our shows. It seems many
times the stage persona and the real person are entirely different.
Msg #15032 Dated 12:28:46 08-18-91 14965 <-
From: RANDY LUND
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: MAGICXDB
Paragon is Borland's relational database and is excellent. A agree
about about dBIV (i own it but never use it as I think it is crap) dB
III+ is much better, but dBASE needs to be considered for the project
because of its wide use. There are many better dB programs, but none
have reached the audience that dBASE has and a system written in RDBMS
that does not have wide availability will either require expensive
run-time modules or be still born. So polling our potential user base
as to what they have/want/are willing to spend etc is going to be
important....Randy
Msg #15033 Dated 12:34:19 08-18-91 -> 15056
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTIONS
I see you are planning to make MAGIC! a subscription service and some
of the comments indicated this may be good to help streamline the
message board which is getting cimbersome at best. Five days messages
made 216pages of WP printout for me to read WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
.
At any rate I decided to test that hypothisys as well as see who was
using the system so I looked at messages from MAGIC-40 thru may latest
down load to see who was using the board. The following is the data
for the top 20 of 48 different FROM/TO users.
.
Analysis of Traffic on MAGIC! from Msg# 9500 thru 14833
Pos. MAGIC! Member From To Percent Cum
Msg's Msg's From % From
1 PETE BIRO (X) 921 785 23.62% 23.62%
2 DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) 753 728 19.31% 42.93%
3 TABBY CRABB (X) 649 571 16.65% 59.58%
4 BILL WELLS (X) 340 269 8.72% 68.30%
5 WAYNE POWERS (X) 191 169 4.90% 73.20%
6 JERRY BURTON 158 205 4.05% 77.25%
7 MAX MAVEN 156 205 4.00% 81.25%
8 EVAN KATZ (X) 146 169 3.74% 85.00%
9 T A WATERS 145 170 3.72% 88.72%
10 CINDY SZERLIP (X) 110 134 2.82% 91.54%
11 STAN LAKE 97 121 2.49% 94.02%
12 TOMMY WONDER 52 54 1.33% 95.36%
13 RANDY LUND 29 26 0.74% 96.10%
14 LYNN HEALY 28 19 0.72% 96.82%
15 DARRELL MURPHY 23 21 0.59% 97.41%
16 DAVID VANVRANKEN 14 21 0.36% 97.77%
17 MICHAEL AMMAR (X) 13 17 0.33% 98.10%
18 BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X) 12 14 0.31% 98.41%
19 DANTE LARSEN (X) 8 14 0.21% 98.62%
20 SCOTT CRAM 7 9 0.18% 98.79%
Sum of all others 47 178 1.21% 100.00%
======= ======= ======= =======
TOTALS 3899 3899 100.00%
.
I was surprised to see the top 10 users account for over 90% of the
traffic and the top 20 almost 99%. I wonder whether you are going to
get sufficent funds in subscriptions to allow the equipment/software
upgrades you are talking about. The one thing I don't see in this is
boezookers who only look and never talk.
.
Also, did our advertising at Abbotts do any good.
.
Randy
Msg #15035 Dated 13:25:02 08-18-91 14973 <--> 15037
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
The Wizard of Oz Syndrome -- that's a great way to put it!
Msg #15037 Dated 13:25:17 08-18-91 14992 <--> 15039
From:LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I hope you're successful with Sam Angelico -- I, too, go through
the roof whenever I see his act!
Msg #15038 Dated 13:25:23 08-18-91 14997 <--> 15078
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Speaking of the Haskell Gambling Act, have you ever seen Brenda (as
in Bob Brown and) do it (the Haskell Gambling Act, that is)?
Now THERE'S something that should have been put on tape! Yikes!
Msg #15039 Dated 13:25:31 08-18-91 15012 <--> 15041
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
OK, NOW I know who Hobson is. He was one of those poor saps on the
International Magic Awards, right?
.
Speaking of which, is there anyone out there who actually likes the
Amazing Jonathon. I was floored that he was on that show!!! It
could be that he's from the Bay Area, and I've seen far too much of
him, but I honestly can't figure out how this guy gets booked!
Maybe he's riding on Andrew Dice Clay's coattails?
Msg #15040 Dated 16:55:30 08-18-91 14907 <--> 15062
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Red has them all and OWNS them all.
'W.
Msg #15041 Dated 17:00:33 08-18-91 14891 <--> 15054
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Too many talking acts? I agree. I also think there are too many
silent acts. There are also too many acts. In fact, there are too
many people in show business!
'W.
Msg #15043 Dated 17:32:48 08-18-91 15002 <--> 15081
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
I haven't made any comments on the subject of illusionists who decide
to talk, for the simple reason that I think the discussion is totally
off the point.
It is quite true that many illusionists who start off as silent acts
and later add talking end up with mediocre results, but what is being
missed in the current discussion is the _reason_ they start talking,
which is worth noting. It is this: a silent performer can develop and
sustain a relationship with an audience within the context of a short
act, but once the performance expands past approximately ten minutes it
is virtually impossible to keep that rapport without talking.
Contemporary audiences lose contact without the spoken word. Now, the
performers under consideration (Copperfield, Harary, Pendragon, Burton,
et al) are all working in just such extended-length shows. Therefore,
to approach a discussion of their talking with the notiont that they
should remain silent is fruitless. They _must_ talk; to remain silent
would be commercial suicide.
Msg #15044 Dated 18:43:08 08-18-91 14535 <--> 15253
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: YOUR WIRE
OK - Bizzarites, it is. I'm easy. When the effect is unveiled I will
include a parchment proclaiming that when doing the 'miracle' you
are thereby ordained as a Bizzare Monk (Nun) - Blessed Be !
Msg #15045 Dated 18:43:13 08-18-91 14555 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PROFESSOR EL-TAB
Kinda looked like me in reverse. When I lift my right hand Yrrej lift
s his left, the same with the right its really weird - or perhaps
Bizzare.
Msg #15046 Dated 18:43:17 08-18-91 14617 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: RESEARCH
Probably won't use a database program in the Dbase sense. Would go
with a custom file layout, using a B-Tree search (B-Tree means
balanced tree, and is quite quick on retrieval - but can be rather
time consuming on update. Since the updating would be done off-line
in a kind of batch mode - that should not be a big problem).
.
MOst PC databases are designed to be used for general purpose data
management and try to allow to balance retrieval and update to
accommodate the most users. It seems to me this project would require
a creation program for use on each person's PC and the resulting file
s would be sent to MAGIC! for merging into the larger database.
.
For on-line retrieval you want the fastest algorithm going, even if
it is slow on the update.
.
If the project gets off the ground we can experiment with different
approaches. The C libaries I use have several different methods of
storing and retrieving data, so we can see what works best.
Msg #15047 Dated 18:43:32 08-18-91 14689 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: GEE WHISKERS
It depends on why you grew it in the first place and how its affects
you when you see a different looking you, staring back out of the
mirror.
.
I have always worn an 'Oilcan Harry' villian looking handle-bar
moustache - but hey that's me ! I wouldn't feel right without it.
.
Of course, if everyone were sporting handle-bars, I'd probably go to
something no one else had. It's entirely up to you and how you feel
- and how it affects your personna.
.
Burton the Bizzare.
Msg #15048 Dated 18:43:43 08-18-91 14624 <--> 15050
From: JERRY BURTON
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
Send all such comments or requests directly to me. You must be using
an older version, that particuliar bug is fixed.
.
I like you sometimes add replies to an existing file that I havn't
uploaded yet. I always call my reply file MAGIC.REP and have a script
that will log, do the upload, and log off automatically. After I have
done the upload I rename it to MAGCdddd.RPx, where dddd = day & month
and x is the upload number, eg. 1,2,3 ... in case I did multiple
uploads on a given day.
Msg #15050 Dated 18:44:01 08-18-91 14820 <--> 15069
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
The append function works on the latest version. I could add an optio
n to ask for verification, if you specify an output file name that
already exists.
.
If anyone else thinks this is a good (bad ?) idea please let me know.
Msg #15051 Dated 18:44:07 08-18-91 14824 <--> 15071
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Will cast a healing spell this PM - sorry to hear the news, I really
enjoyed his show - one of the funniest bits I have seen in a long
time.
Msg #15052 Dated 18:44:11 08-18-91 14737 <--> 15147
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Graduate school IS a mind narrowing experience, particuliarly
in scientific disciplines. The established doctrines must become
part of the psyche in order to get past the committee - it's hard to
break out after such a brain-wash.
Msg #15053 Dated 18:44:17 08-18-91 14563 <--> 15072
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Its the Yin and Yang of magic, there can't be good without bad !
Msg #15054 Dated 18:44:22 08-18-91 14893 <--> 15055
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
David have you come unglued ? Hobson as a silent act ????
What could you possibly be thinking of, are you sure you havn't
confused him with someone else.
.
Harary for sure - he looks like an AT&T operator in black leather
pants. Get rid of the mike and go silent, maybe that will save his
act.
Msg #15055 Dated 18:44:31 08-18-91 15039 <--> 15063
From: JERRY BURTON
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
The Amazing Jonathon is playing to the worst aspects of the comedy
club audience, i.e. people actively going out of their way to be
insulted and made to look like jerks.
.
I saw him once live in Tahoe and he had a combo Gallager (getting
stuff all over the 1st few rows) and Rickles (out and out rudeness,
and insults) mixed with some very long boring magic. I saw him
recently on the Comedy Hour and he drew the one trick out so long
no one had any idea what it was supposed to have proved, plus he's
into all kinds of blood and knives.
.
The fact that he works a lot and is currently during his 'Blood and
Guts' tour, tells you something about the type of audiences available
tody. He would make a great opening act for the Diceman !
Msg #15056 Dated 18:44:44 08-18-91 15033 <--> 15066
From: JERRY BURTON
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTIONS
Interesting analysis, good job. I had asked David if he had such
statistics and he said the system didn't have it. Did you do this
manually or write a program ?
Msg #15057 Dated 19:20:52 08-18-91 15018 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: PCX TO IFF
Indeed - kids and _Amigas_ have a super glue bond! I've been looking
into getting another Amiga. The video applications alone justify it.
Msg #15058 Dated 19:22:45 08-18-91 15019 <--> 15073
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: TRIX
Maybe, "Mr. President - Next time you shake hands, leave off the thumb
tip."
Msg #15060 Dated 19:25:44 08-18-91 15021 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BIBLIOGRAPHY
Very true, T A. The Necronomicon would make a great weed eater in this
case!
Msg #15062 Dated 19:30:32 08-18-91 15040 <--> 15093
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Thanks for the info. Well, maybe someday he or his estate will decide
to release them.
Msg #15063 Dated 19:31:21 08-18-91 15035 <--> 15064
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Thank you! I kinda liked Wizard of Oz Syndrome myself!
Msg #15064 Dated 19:32:18 08-18-91 15039 <--> 15065
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Yep, Hobson was also on the International Magic Awards. He's the guy
who folds the selected card with his tongue.
Msg #15065 Dated 19:33:24 08-18-91 15054 <--> 15076
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I don't think I've confused Hobson with anyone else. I think he would
do better as a silent act. The selected card found and folded with
toungue would be gross enough to carry the act.
Msg #15066 Dated 19:36:43 08-18-91 15033 <--> 15184
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTIONS
WOW! That was a FANTASTIC compilation of data! How'd you do it?
Interesting about the page count - the subscription rate is $30 a year,
about the same as any of the magazines, and while I would not even
pretend to discuss quality, in quantity it would appear that each month
we deliver more text than ALL of them put together!
We do have some exciting plans for MAGIC! in the offing - plans that
can only see fruition if we get established on a solid base. Will the
current subscription plan deliver? I don't know - sure hope so! As in
anything, there are a lot of folks here who only read, never write.
Just like the active vs. inactive ratios in any organization. If the
readers send in their subscriptions and stay with us, then it may work
- no profit, but the hardware, etc. If they don't, well, we'll just
have to keep trying. The subscription deadline is REAL.
Yes, we have gotten an influx of new registrants from the advertising
at Abbotts. Also several new members from Genii and other
publications.
Still boggling over the data!
Msg #15069 Dated 19:49:54 08-18-91 15050 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RDMAGIC'S REPLY FILES
I thought about the append verify. It might be a good idea. But, as
you know, I'm not a heavy RDMAGIC user, so I think that the opinions of
others in this case count more than my own.
Msg #15071 Dated 19:53:07 08-18-91 15051 <--> 15084
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Roger was a knockout at the IBM convention. Hope Pete gives us an
update as soon as he has one.
Msg #15072 Dated 19:53:55 08-18-91 15053 <--> 15228
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I'm sure glad we have a crystal person around here! I'd forgotten how
to spell Yin and Yang. Good point!
Msg #15073 Dated 20:48:56 08-18-91 15007 <--> 15074
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
And a beard?
Msg #15074 Dated 20:49:01 08-18-91 15008 <--> 15086
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
If we can get some of the STRONG metal thread, can hook up and let
Peter Pit do the Dancing Cane moves with same....
Msg #15075 Dated 20:49:06 08-18-91 15011 <--> 15077
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LANCE
Well, you add things to the T-Shirt, like pants, shoes, coat...
Msg #15076 Dated 20:49:10 08-18-91 15012 <--> 15079
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
He is one of the bussiest, funniest... that should answer it....
Msg #15077 Dated 20:49:15 08-18-91 15024 <--> 15088
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LANCE
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOopsss.... I standum corrected Kemosabe....
Msg #15078 Dated 20:49:19 08-18-91 15038 <--> 15111
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
What kind of tape? No... well, er, sorta. I caught part of Brenda
doing the act. (Now there's a sentance for my shrink!)
What I meant was I saw part of the routine (had just stuck my
face in the door, nobody spotted me so I slipped away)!
Msg #15079 Dated 20:49:26 08-18-91 15039 <--> 15080
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I have not seen Amazing Jonathan (other than the hunk on the Int'l.
Magic Award video extravaganze for resorts and guest hosts...
Msg #15080 Dated 20:49:31 08-18-91 15041 <--> 15083
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
You missed it. There are too many people.
Msg #15081 Dated 20:49:36 08-18-91 15043 <--> 15250
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
I don't think they must remain silent. I think SOME of them have
yet to do it right... HEY, IT AIN'T EASY!
.
One thing I personally dislike is the change from a person of
seeming power... to, when they talk, a normalness -- or as someone
else stated a "dorky" impression.
.
Some have it naturally (the ability to be strong, commanding,
believable, etc.) some do not and those that do not really have to
work at it and should consult experts...
Msg #15082 Dated 20:49:48 08-18-91 -> 15091
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: TABMAN LIVES
Ee;15043
I just got a secret message (Fax from Glo) that El-Tab is alive,
well and things are going great in Nashville!
.
But the withdrawalls are getting tougher....argh....
Msg #15083 Dated 20:49:56 08-18-91 15064 <--> 15089
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I guess you just don't know the method for CARD IN MOUTH. No he do
not fold nuttin with his tongue...
.
Read Expert Card Tecnique. The Mercury Fold (or see my lecture
with the even faster MERCURO FOLDO.
Msg #15084 Dated 20:50:04 08-18-91 15071 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
I will be in Vegas MON-WED, and will hope to see Roger's son, Don,
who is the stage manager at the Trop. Have had no farther calls
from Don... who informed me originally.
Msg #15086 Dated 21:40:52 08-18-91 15073 <--> 15087
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Hmmm... Once you suggested the beard, I considered it for a moment, but
no. Too complex to add to the bit, although it does sound like an
enticing gimmick for getting $5 tips - I could call it the Abraham
Lincoln Frog effect. OK - Consider the Abraham Lincoln Frog effect to
be mine.
Msg #15087 Dated 21:44:12 08-18-91 15074 <--> 15128
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Forget adding Peter Pit and the Dancing Cane. We make SuperPig's act
too good and the Castle will book it.
Msg #15088 Dated 21:45:25 08-18-91 15075 <--> 15154
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANCE
Still, I'm a bit too long of tooth for the T-Shirt bit. It is the
domain of the young. But I would suggest that folks download your PCX
picture for a view of a killer jacket and tie.
Msg #15089 Dated 21:46:54 08-18-91 15080 <--> 15090
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Yes, there are too many people...and most of them think they're in show
business! It seems to me that the business is being KUDZU-ized!
'W.
Msg #15090 Dated 21:47:40 08-18-91 15083 <--> 15112
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
OK, OK, maybe I should have said HE SAYS he folds the selected card
with his tongue. OF COURSE he doesn't. Come on, Biro-san, gimme SOME
credit.
Msg #15091 Dated 21:49:27 08-18-91 15082 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN LIVES
Glad to hear that things are going well for the El-Tabbo. Thanks for
letting us know. I'm having withdrawl symptoms too.
Msg #15093 Dated 21:49:57 08-18-91 15062 <--> 15095
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Several years ago, when his intention to destroy all the shows upon his
death became known, a few of the writers sued him to prevent the
destruction of their work. I've heard that some of the shows will be
released, but I don't know how true that rumor is. Red seems to
believe that his work has been ripped off by others and his originality
and creative genius has gone unrecognized. I don't think he's a very
happy man.
'W.
Msg #15094 Dated 21:54:01 08-18-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: APOLOGIES
Tony...I'm not going to make it to the Castle tonight. I spent the
entire day being silly with Jonathan Winters and my what's left of my
brain doesn't want to navigate me anywhere but to bed. Maybe Wednesday
night? Let me know.
'W.
Msg #15095 Dated 22:02:52 08-18-91 15093 <--> 15131
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Yetch! Sorry to hear the state of both the man and his work. But I
thank you for the information.
Msg #15104 Dated 22:54:44 08-18-91
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FRI LUNCH
jUST GOT BACK INTO TOWN TONIGHT...Sunday 18th. Picked up your message.
Hope to see you this week and would like to see the poster and the
picture. Thanks.
Msg #15105 Dated 23:06:07 08-18-91 14550 <--> 15106
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
WHEN was the coin thru Dam demo'd for you. Just curious. And yes,
when I saw it, it KILLED me. Love to know the decade or so...
Msg #15106 Dated 23:07:26 08-18-91 14551 <--> 15107
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Never knew about this, so I dunno (sub for salt in salt card trick).
My Dad would know about poweder used in fake gums, but probably not
used for the trick. What about it made it superior to salt?
Msg #15107 Dated 23:09:38 08-18-91 14669 <--> 15108
From: EVAN KATZ
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
In a word, yes. An absolutely astounding, inspiring group of effects
by genuine Stars in the field. Some of the stuff is more workable than
others, but you probably will never get so many fantastic, well
thought-out, do-able effects between two covers. To my knowledge they
were published separately, so what you're getting is the fruit of this
entire series, done over years, in this ludicrously inexpensive tome.
Msg #15108 Dated 23:14:48 08-18-91 15107 <--> 15143
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yes, they were originally marketed separately, but the bound volume is
not "the fruit of this entire series" -- it is the entire series.
Msg #15109 Dated 23:36:01 08-18-91 -> 15222
From: LYNN HEALY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESEARCH
Ee;15046
I do know what B-trees are! You would seem to be reinventing the
wheel if you're going to write all this stuff from scratch. This
is ONLY data (I worked on the BART -Bay Area Rapid Transit - train
control system and they had their own dbms to run the trains -
in this case NECESSARY for speed)!
.
FYI: the system I'm currently working on is a database for telephone
sales people (speed is essential to them as they have their customer
on the phone at the time), our three main tables have about 500,000
rows each, and another table that is regulrly usd has over 2.5
MILLION rows! Searching this table takes split seconds with
proper use of the indexes. Whichever dbms you choose to go with,
you need to make sure you hire someone who really knows how to make
the thing jump through hoops -- most programmers out there don't.
.
Some companies are doing amazing things with distributed databases,
but I don't think they're too good on performance yet.
Msg #15111 Dated 23:36:26 08-18-91 15078 <--> 15114
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Too bad Pete, you should have stayed! Brenda doing the Haskell
Gambling Act is an experience no-one should miss!
Msg #15112 Dated 23:36:32 08-18-91 15079 <--> 15155
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Well, let me put it this way: the Amazing Jonathon on the Interna-
tional Magic Awards was FAR less crude and obnoxious than he is in
person! He used to work a lot of comedy clubs in the Bay area,
maybe you can catch him sometime and see for yourself.
Msg #15114 Dated 23:49:25 08-18-91 14926 <--> 15118
From: GARY PLANTS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Pete, would you care to elaborate on what you mean when you say it wa
s the scariest thing (stacking the deck)?
Msg #15115 Dated 23:49:32 08-18-91 14932 <--> 15116
From: GARY PLANTS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ANOTHER FROM KAPS
No!!!!!!!!!
Msg #15116 Dated 23:49:37 08-18-91 14933 <--> 15162
From: GARY PLANTS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ANOTHER FROM KAPS
Pete, hope to someday sit down and chat. I am really interested
in the gambling area (but also regular card magic). Let me know
if you have any interesting stories or tips that you have picked
up over the years. The matchbook idea for edgemarking is a good
idea. I have already heard a great deal about Mr. Green. I have
his two sets of notes on culling. I am real anxious to see him
work.
Thanks for the tip on the hard carriage return. I did't know if
the program somehow corrected that on its own or not.
Msg #15118 Dated 23:49:57 08-18-91 14967 <--> 15160
From: GARY PLANTS
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
What about a magician who is or has been a "gambler". It is
possible. Also, who is going to get the most attention, a magician
who does gambling card tricks or a gambler, reformed gambler, etc
who is showing the "real work". Sometimes ya just gotta play the
part.
Also, there is quite a difference between a gambling "expose" and
a gambling "demonstration". Anyone can expose how "deals" are
suppose to be done, but how many can REALLY do them and honestly
get away with it (be it in magic or at the table). It would be one
thing to expose a hold out machine, but quite another story to
REALLY use one where "the most critical observer would not even
suspect, let alone detect, the action."
Msg #15125 Dated 0:17:41 08-19-91 -> 15165
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: I'M BACK!
Hi, I'm back!
As some of you may have noticed, I haven't been around for the last
few months. Well, I've missed everybody, but lemme tell you, a few
months in Hawaii was worth it! The wife's Dad put us up there for an
R&D trip! Youza! Of course I'm not even going to TRY to read the back
messages. I'm sure I'm missing lots of fun stuff, but that there's
more to come!
PS -- Tabman -- it sure was fun seeing you at the IBM!
Msg #15127 Dated 7:31:01 08-19-91 14581 <--> 15148
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I also have great piles of SciFi books, as well as many in boxes that
have been read. I learned long ago if I didn't buy 'em when I saw
'em they would be gone and out of print by the time I went back. I
used to be an avid SciFi reader, but now my reading time seems to be
reduced along with most other things. Just now, I have been reading
Card's latest. If you haven't read him, he is quite good.
Msg #15128 Dated 7:31:21 08-19-91 14582 <--> 15129
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
R: TRIX
Shoot! I thought it was a blooming great name myself! It could
really take root. But just think of the variations: Kudzu the
King of the Konjurors...and so forth. If the act was long enough, I
can assure you that there would be a captive audience.
Msg #15129 Dated 7:31:35 08-19-91 14583 <--> 15138
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I always regreted I could never get Spanish Moss to live in this
"higher" part of the south. When I was a kid, I used to bring it
back and stick it in all the trees around the house. There is
nothing quite like poling a boat into a southern swamp full of trees
draped with Spanish Moss...you anticipate the appearance of the
Creature from the Black Lagoon at any moment.
Msg #15130 Dated 7:31:53 08-19-91 14585 <--> 15151
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
OK...I get the hint. The check is in the mail today! (God ... I
love that line!)
Msg #15131 Dated 7:31:59 08-19-91 14587 <--> 15134
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Yes...I know what you mean about seeing your toys in museum. Imagine
how I felt upon an early visit to the Smithsonian's Air and Space
Museum when I saw the Buck Roger's Ray Gun in the case...just like
the one I had as a very small child.
You are correct regarding the insurance coverage of any type of
collectable items, not only coverage but also establishing the value
even if it is covered. An area overlooked by many until it is too
late.
Msg #15132 Dated 7:32:20 08-19-91 14595 <--> 15135
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I wish there was more opportunity to see Peter Cook here in the USA.
I don't see him on the British shows carried on cable here in the
East.
Msg #15133 Dated 7:32:29 08-19-91 14605 <--> 15167
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: "STAMP"
As I am sometime prone to do, I was overstating the case just a bit.
Yes, we can accommodate putting "The Great" on quite a few and we
realize that the field can be left empty without problems. We are
constantly asked to make the names on the badges larger (this is to
be expected with a membership median age in the mid thirties and
going higher each year). We also are asked to place the hometown and
state of the registrant on the badge. These two factors make the
addition of such titles as TWGM somewhat of a problem on many of the
badges. We find it is easier to simply let those that insist hand
letter their own badges. You would be amazed how many opinions folks
have about size of badges, types of badges, whats on the badges, etc
and so forth. Many would like to return to the military type badges
of yesteryear. Interesting that such a seemingly small item can end
up requiring quite a bit of time, effort, and expense. We have tried
many variations and it still continues to evolve.
Msg #15134 Dated 7:33:06 08-19-91 14626 <--> 15141
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
I dunno about the "NOTHING"...I was just in a comic book, etc. store
this past weekend (getting baseball cards for my kids) and happen to
pick up a comic book catalog and check on the prices of those late
'40s and '50s comics that I gave away. I choked! Not a one under
$40 or $50 and many much higher than that! I also remember us kids
NOT buying the baseball card bubble gum when they first appeared
because we didn't like the bubble gum! A Duke Snider card from that
period is worth a couple of hundred bucks!
Msg #15135 Dated 7:33:28 08-19-91 14628 <--> 15142
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Most likely that was the case. The National is actually run by the
same management as the Kennedy Center and I am sure they are not that
flexible.
Msg #15138 Dated 7:34:10 08-19-91 14632 <--> 15140
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
You shoulda seen the backstage during the IBM Washington, DC
convention in 197 whn Amy Carter and entourage came to one of the
evening shows. SS was everywhere. All the acts lined up to meet Amy
and one of them was the East German act we always thought was a spy
anyhow!
Msg #15139 Dated 7:34:28 08-19-91 14633 <--> 15144
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I was talking about anybody! Just following your gag line about
flash cord going off in someone's face! What are you on anyway???
Msg #15140 Dated 7:34:34 08-19-91 14634 <--> 15149
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
It isn't a dirty word to a plant! But then a plant would probably
like most "dirty" words anyhow!
You should be glad there is such a thing as Protochlorophyll (and I
didn't even make any comment about your plastids!) We would all be
in a Mell of Hess without it!
Msg #15141 Dated 7:34:50 08-19-91 14635 <--> 15152
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
I am sure that you DO! Got any good nibbles on it yet? Hope you can
sell it soon as I know what a drain it is. Is "argh" on a union
label?
Msg #15142 Dated 7:34:59 08-19-91 14636 <--> 15183
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Somehow, I really don't think you could ever be lumpenized.
Msg #15143 Dated 7:35:05 08-19-91 14638 <--> 15158
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You know, it is getting to be time for a return visit of Gaetan. He
would probably be a great act for Quebec. His ability to speak both
English and French would certainly be a plus there as well. He is
also a threefer which never hurts.
Msg #15144 Dated 7:35:18 08-19-91 14640 <--> 15170
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Too late for Siberia! Looks like the curtain fell again last night.
I hope this doesn't ruin the chances for the Russian acts to get out
of Russia!
My first cylinder was the Ramsay Coins and Cylinder was the cardboard
tube from a roll of TP.
Msg #15146 Dated 7:35:51 08-19-91 14642 <--> 15172
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUBE
Too bad! Does anyone else make it? Want to sell yours?
Msg #15147 Dated 7:35:56 08-19-91 14671 <--> 15246
From: BILL WELLS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Don't forget to also enjoy yourself! I hope you are doing this magic
stuff cause it is fun!
Msg #15148 Dated 8:07:27 08-19-91 15127 <--> 15337
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I've tried to cut back on the sci-fi budget so I only buy remaindered
books. So I get 'em later and I usually get the less popular stuff.
Hmmm... does anyone sell remaindered magic books?
Msg #15149 Dated 8:09:32 08-19-91 15128 <--> 15150
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
The problem with a long act for Kudzu is that it may result in a
captive audience, but seldom in a standing ovation. Kudzu does a mean
sub-trunk tho.
Msg #15150 Dated 8:12:23 08-19-91 15129 <--> 15153
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
You really raise memories, Bill. Spanish Moss was a part of my life.
Now, most of the swamps I used to hunt in are shopping centers. Some
of 'em probably have magic shops.
Msg #15151 Dated 8:14:54 08-19-91 15130 <--> 15176
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Glad to hear that your check is in the mail. It wouldn't be MAGIC!
without you.
Msg #15152 Dated 8:16:22 08-19-91 15131 <--> 15157
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
As a younger kid (never have stopped being one, I just got older) I was
a big fan of Captain Video. I faithfully drank my Ovaltine (still have
it, just less often) and probably sent for every premium he offered.
I had the secret decoder ring and the combination rocket
ship/whistle/magnifier/glow-in-the-dark ring. Gee! You are making me
think about exhuming some of the never unpacked but always moved
cartons. Now, i I could only think of a place to put the stuff.
Msg #15153 Dated 8:48:53 08-19-91 15086 <--> 15166
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
During a roast of black comedian George Kirby, Jay Marshall walked
in dressed as Abraham Lincoln and just said (killing him and the
audience) -- "Sorry Kirby, but the deal is off!"
Msg #15154 Dated 8:49:00 08-19-91 15088 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LANCE
"THE" killer Jacket/Tie.... thanks
Msg #15155 Dated 8:49:04 08-19-91 15089 <--> 15156
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Well that's it... we got to start makin money from KUDZU-mania!
Saw some mo' Bud Man stuff.... who did the stunt (of you jumping)?
Was it Jonathan Pendragon? He did the fall down the stairs for
Belushi in Blues Bros.
Msg #15156 Dated 8:49:11 08-19-91 15090 <--> 15174
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Credit? You want credit? I don't undertand it. I keep getting OKd
credit card app's from banks all over the world! How do they know
who can pay?
Msg #15157 Dated 8:49:17 08-19-91 15093 <--> 15180
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
A great "hunk" of Red Skelton's ability is to be seen in the Calver
t video. (you move the t up a line). In the routine Skelton does
the continuous production of balls from his mouth. He probably
ran through it a couple of times and he has timing and surprise to
it better than ANY magician I have seen... including those that
probably have done the bit for twenty years!
Msg #15158 Dated 8:49:26 08-19-91 15105 <--> 15159
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Roy Kissel dem of dam... hmmmm... 20-25 years ago? Argh.
Msg #15159 Dated 8:49:31 08-19-91 15106 <--> 15169
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
What made it superiour to salt? Well it is flesh colored. It is
much finer and it seems to me each individual grain is perfectly
round... thus giving much greater "movement" ability. It would be
like having ROLLER BEARINGS between two cards. As I recall, using
this stuff -- when I had some that Ken Brooke gave me to try out --
you could place a deck (with the stuff between two cards, the chosen
card at the bottom, the pair in the center of the deck) on the
floor, put a hat over it... and just by some cleverly disguised
stamping of foot on floor (maybe a rain dance around the hat,or
a short bit of the Mexcian Hat Dance... when the hat was lifted the
deck would be separated quite a bit... like the spirits had moved
the cards above the chosen one...
Msg #15160 Dated 8:49:46 08-19-91 15111 <--> 15161
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
I guess I blew it... I am sure her misdirection on the deck switches
would be better than mine! Owwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
.
Remind me to tell you about the time she broke my egg just before
I was to go on, on a TV show .... argh?
Msg #15161 Dated 8:49:54 08-19-91 15114 <--> 15164
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Yeah... it was scary because it didn't look like the way magic guys
to it... you know, slowly riffle, head down low looking at the
underside of the cards....
Msg #15162 Dated 8:50:00 08-19-91 15116 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: ANOTHER FROM KAPS
I don't have any of Lennert's material (such as the notes you
describe) as I only saw him work his contest set (which he won)
at FISM, but hope to get closer at the Vegas Seminar next year..
You got to see Villarino (spelling?) if you want to see another
TOTALLY DIFFERENT approach. Ribbon spreads on table with a glass
of brandy appearing on the turnover flourish. Wow stuff!
Msg #15164 Dated 8:50:15 08-19-91 15118 <--> 15208
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
You hit it there, Gary. I have fiddled with HOs, of all types.
So, when I came up to the time to have to use one... in a lecture,
demo, show -- I decided to really cheat... and have the cards in
hand change via DF and sleights. Then I told the viewers that the
cards went up and down my sleeve via the holdout, took off the
coat, etc. etc.
.
The best holdout I have is the one built into my poker table!
Msg #15165 Dated 8:50:26 08-19-91 15125 <--> 15190
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK!
You had better read the back messages. That's where we tore you up!
Msg #15166 Dated 8:50:30 08-19-91 15129 <--> 15173
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
What kind of answers did you get when you polled the boats?
Msg #15167 Dated 8:50:35 08-19-91 15133 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: "STAMP"
Military badges? You mean we will be Generals, Colonels, Privates,
etc.
Msg #15169 Dated 8:50:45 08-19-91 15143 <--> 15175
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I gofer Gaetan... he is on my soon list. Gad with the palace coup
in USSR... wonder if the magi are going to split, be tied in and
no longer free to roam, or what.... not good news....
Msg #15170 Dated 8:50:51 08-19-91 15144 <--> 15345
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I have a red cardboard Ramsay Coins tube from Davenport's Crypt
here somewhere. Want it if I find?
Msg #15172 Dated 8:51:02 08-19-91 15146 <--> 15347
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TUBE
Actually if you want one there might be a couple laying around at
Magic Inc. I didn't talk to Jay (too late now he is on way to LV)
but to his sister in law who said, we don't make them anymore, but
there might be one or two in a drawer someplace. 312-EDI-BULL ask
for FRAN.
Msg #15173 Dated 9:29:44 08-19-91 15153 <--> 15203
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Yarg! Jay Marshall as Abe Lincoln sounds like it was a heck of a bit!
I don't get to see too many bills bigger than a five - any of the
higher denominations have bearded presidents on them?
Msg #15174 Dated 9:34:09 08-19-91 15156 <--> 15179
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Actually, I'll tell you a little secret - I _collect_ credit cards!
Seriously! Have been quietly putting expired ones away for years. I
expect them to be a very valuable future collectable - the are perfect
since, like coins, they are dated, the different illustrations are
unique, etc. I actually have a W. T. GRANTS credit card! Also
WOOLWORTH/WOOLCO and a number of European ones - Cofinoga, Cofinoga
Plus, Boutiques Descamps - and my old Swiss Eurocard.
So, if you or anyone else would like to make a collector happy - you
can send me your expired credit cards. After all, everytime you cut
'em up you make my collection more valuable anyway!
Msg #15175 Dated 9:48:11 08-19-91 15169 <--> 15191
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Have been trying to pick up Radio Moscow all morning. So far, nada.
But that isn't all that unusual - could just be sunspots.
Msg #15176 Dated 14:16:59 08-19-91 15130 <--> 15340
From: MARVIN STERN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
You don't have to call him GOD. He lets members of the board call him
David.
Msg #15179 Dated 15:50:43 08-19-91 15155 <--> 15212
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I met the stuntman, but don't remember his name, unfortunately.
The oncamera guys in the suits are all stuntmen...I provided the
character and the voice for BudMan and never, thankfully, spent a
moment in one of those suits!
'W.
Msg #15180 Dated 15:52:48 08-19-91 15157 <--> 15341
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Skelton's genius will never be questioned from these quarters.
'W.
Msg #15183 Dated 16:01:17 08-19-91 15132 <--> 15239
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes, it WOULD be really nice. I could say the same about many of my
favorite performers. The reality of this business is that the world
and popular tastes change rather quickly, often leaving many of the
great talents behind. Many of them also simply choose to withdraw
temporarily or permanently from a mass media existance which can and
often does devour the spark which ignited the media exposure to begin
with.
'W.
Msg #15184 Dated 17:29:02 08-19-91 15056 <--> 15185
From: RANDY LUND
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTIONS
I wrote a quick and dirty basic program to read ASCII files and looked
for Msg # as the first 5 chr of a line the next line is from the next
to and just counted. David is kind enough to bundle the messages in
groups of 500 so getting a couple of thousand was no problem and being
zipped it didn't take all that long. Lotus did the sorting,
presentation etc. from the raw data.
.
Randy
Msg #15185 Dated 17:33:56 08-19-91 15066 <--> 15186
From: RANDY LUND
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTIONS
I'm curious, I got 46 active particpants in the study I did. How many
total memebers does MAGIC! have that are more than occasional curiosity
seekers.......Randy
.
As I understand your form my subscription date as a charter member is
3/1/92...Is that correct?
.
Oh yea, one more idea, do you want a copy of the program I used to
analyse the data. You'll need a copy of Quick Basic 4.0 or later or I
could send you a compiled version...let me know...RDL
Msg #15186 Dated 18:04:09 08-19-91 15184 <--> 15187
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTIONS
I kinda figured Lotus or another spreadsheet was involved in the
analysis someplace. Thanks for the work.
Msg #15187 Dated 18:05:19 08-19-91 15185 <--> 15224
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTIONS
MAGIC! has about 600 members. It is somewhat difficult to tell their
individual logon frequency as the data I keep only shows the activity
log and the membership data with the last logon date. Often I will
think I haven't seen many names on the log, but when I look up the
membership data I will see that someone has logged on recently. The
activity around here creates several pages of log info daily.
Yes, charter members - those who made donations to MAGIC! prior to the
subscription drive - will be automatic members until 3/1/92.
Yes, I would like to see a copy of the program that you used. I do
have Quick Basic 4.0 and also have the Quick Basic that is now included
in DOS 5.0. Thank you!
Msg #15190 Dated 18:20:40 08-19-91 15165 <--> 15210
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I'M BACK!
Pete--
Hi, how are you. What exactly are you talking about? Tore who up?
Msg #15191 Dated 18:25:48 08-19-91 15159 <--> 15204
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I will ask me father about the dental stuff. Interesting.
Msg #15202 Dated 22:50:21 08-19-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SOVIET NEWS
MAGIC! is not a forum for world events or political affairs. Many
members, however, have developed close relationships with Soviet
magicians, and so, to the extent possible, I think that it is
reasonable that any information regarding the current
situation in the Soviet Union should be passed along. I would suggest,
that we act with discretion, however, since we do not know
what turns the situation in the Soviet Union will take.
I was able to pick up portions of the 5 a.m. (UCT/GMT) news direct from
Radio Moscow. The news was presented in a flat, dispassionate voice.
No international news or any other news items beyond those directly
related to the political situation were presented as a part of the
10-minute newscast. All statements were attributed to entities such as
"The Soviet Emergency Committee" or were quotes from specific
individuals. I do not recall Gorbichev's name being mentioned once
during the newscast.
The Soviet Emergency Committee was quoted as saying that they will take
"the strongest measures to lead the country and society out of the
crisis as soon as possible." They also said that they will take
"strong measures to prevent the country's slide into ... (lost word)."
And that they "want to prevent use of force against citizens."
It was indicated that "Moscow may be placed under curfew" and that the
troops have been sent into the city "to preserve order."
The position of the Russian leadership was referred to as "highly
dangerous" and there was some denouncement of Boris Yelsin and others
for taking the actions that they did.
The words "out of the crisis" were used several times during the
broadcast.
Msg #15203 Dated 23:10:53 08-19-91 15149 <--> 15205
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Knock, Knock.
Who's there?
Kudzu.
Kudzu who?
Kudzu stop talking about this damn plant?
Msg #15204 Dated 23:15:27 08-19-91 15159 <--> 15211
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I've heard of people using aquarium sand -- very fine and round -- and
you can get it in red and blue to match the decks.
Msg #15205 Dated 23:20:53 08-19-91 15203 <--> 15214
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
OK, OK, no more discussion of Pueraria thunbergiana. Guess you are
from New York.
Msg #15206 Dated 23:22:02 08-19-91 -> 15272
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: WANTED TO BUY/SELL
I was speaking with a local (Los Angeles) magician today and he is
desperately looking for a card silk about 8-1/2" x 11". He says that
he can find larger ones and smaller ones but none in that approximate
size. His old one (I believe he said it was a 8 of Diamonds) is
totally tattered and he would appreciate any info on finding a
replacement. He has already called most of the major magic shops and
most of the other places one would be likely to find such a silk. I
told him, "the guys on MAGIC! will know where to find one." So --
help!
He also said that he had some illusions for sale:
o A sword-basket that uses a WINE BARREL and POOL CUES.
o A large sub-trunk complete with bag and straight jacket.
He emphasized that it was large enough for use by a big
man.
o A Zig-Zag of unknown origin.
If you are interested in any of the above, please leave me a private
message and I'll follow up.
And if you have any clues to the silk, let me know!
Msg #15208 Dated 23:54:30 08-19-91 15118 <--> 15213
From: LYNN HEALY
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
That is exactly the point I was trying to make: the skill level of a
gambler who is really doing this stuff in games is leaps and bounds
ahead of that of the magicians.
Msg #15210 Dated 23:54:45 08-19-91 15125 <--> 15220
From: LYNN HEALY
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK!
"...THE wife..."?!!! Would you care to rephrase that?
Msg #15211 Dated 23:54:51 08-19-91 15143 <--> 15232
From: LYNN HEALY
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I don't know what the Franch Canadians think of the true French, but
after having worked at a French bank for 3 years I found out that the
French don't think much of their Canadian counterparts!
.
If Gaetan's going to be working in Quebec, he won't need to know
English -- they've outlawed it (no kidding! -- Bill 101 et al).
Msg #15212 Dated 23:54:59 08-19-91 15155 <--> 15251
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Fall down the stairs?!!! I thought Jonathon did those back-flips
down the aisle for Belushi!
Msg #15213 Dated 23:55:05 08-19-91 15160 <--> 15296
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Well, Brenda's misdirection was strong, but it was as subtle as a
freight train! The sound of her voice added another dimension to
the act as well.
Msg #15214 Dated 23:57:16 08-19-91 15203 <--> 15271
From: LYNN HEALY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Touche!! That's actually the only "knock-knock" joke I've laughed at!
(Or is it socially incorrect to to do that?)
Msg #15220 Dated 0:48:22 08-20-91 15210 <--> 15292
From: EVAN KATZ
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: I'M BACK!
Care to rephrase "The Wife?" Well... mm... let me see... how about,
"My Other Half," or, better yet, "The Little Woman?"
Msg #15221 Dated 0:49:46 08-20-91 -> 15300
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENTAL STUFF
Pete--
Just talked to my Dad, and he said the stuff you're talking about it
"Unfibered Pink Polymer." They make it in colors other than pink, a
useful piece of knowledge if you want it to match the cards, and not
your flesh. He confirmed that the grains are perfectly round, and
would accomplish the "salt trick" effect quite nicely. He said he'd
call me when he got back from the patent office.
Msg #15222 Dated 1:20:52 08-20-91 15109 <--> 15331
From: JERRY BURTON
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: RESEARCH
I have several packages that already have the B-Tree's implemented,
so I won't be writing them from scratch. The B-Tree is very quick on
retrieval, but can be slow on update. The problem is that most
commercial packages try to be everything to everyone, wheras what we
need is a program that is optimized for retrieval, rather than update
Msg #15224 Dated 1:21:03 08-20-91 15184 <--> 15252
From: JERRY BURTON
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTIONS
Good job, the data was very enlightening.
Msg #15227 Dated 6:47:14 08-20-91
From: MARTIN BALES
To: ALL
Re: THANKS TO RING # 76
I have been remiss in sending a note of thanks to the members of Ring
# 76 in San Diego. I hope that someone will read and forward this to
the members. My trip to the area was nice and made even more pleasant
by the members of the Ring that welcomed this visitor to thier meeting.
It was a fun filled time that I will remember. This is only the second
Ring I have had the chance to visit in my years as a member of the IBM
and I have found out that magicians are just as crazy and friendly
where ever you go. Thanks again to Ring # 76.
Msg #15228 Dated 9:24:42 08-20-91 14758 <--> 15235
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Your lecture falls into the S.O.C. catagory.
Msg #15229 Dated 9:24:50 08-20-91 14775 <--> 15478
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
What? You haven't booked an act for the kids in SLC yet?
Msg #15230 Dated 9:24:55 08-20-91 14777 <--> 15245
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I think you are confusing geeks and acupuncture for a sinus condition
Msg #15231 Dated 9:25:01 08-20-91 14778 <--> 15301
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GIANT SILVER HALF DOLLAR
The difference is that I KNOW it is a coin on both sides, whether
the audience does or not. I never slammed it down either.
Msg #15232 Dated 9:25:09 08-20-91 14779 <--> 15234
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Problem is that I still don't know how you think after seeing your
lecture! (grin)
I think it would be premature to attempt to classify lectures by a
scheme that really doesn't exist yet. Besides, convention lectures
are a bit of a different animal in that the lecturer only has about
45 to 50 minutes and tends to: 1. Do their better stuff and 2. spend
less time explaining due to the large audience and shorter time frame
. If you like the idea, then why not lets try to flesh it out a bit
and arrive at a concensus on the classifications.
I will remember to contact Genii, I usually do, but didn't last year.
Msg #15233 Dated 9:25:37 08-20-91 14780 <--> 15303
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I DON'T THINK I WANT TO S
Does it come with bar-b-que utensils?
Tell me...conceptually, why should coins be on fire?
Msg #15234 Dated 9:25:43 08-20-91 14783 <--> 15238
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The ONE band you put on a folding half won't last long if you don't
use it fairly often. I thought you just threw 'em away when the
rubber band broke and bought a new one.
Msg #15235 Dated 9:25:55 08-20-91 14784 <--> 15236
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I await with breathless anticipation....actually, just a slower
breathing pattern.
Msg #15236 Dated 9:26:01 08-20-91 14785 <--> 15305
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I don't want to be fried, but I would like to see what you are talkin
g about. What did you do? Rediscover the cockroach pass?
Msg #15238 Dated 9:26:41 08-20-91 14788 <--> 15249
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I await with breathless anticipation.
Msg #15239 Dated 9:26:49 08-20-91 14789 <--> 15241
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK...I will start using a sodium substitute, but anticipate them
seeming to be a bit tasteless.
Msg #15240 Dated 9:26:55 08-20-91 14790 <--> 15243
From: BILL WELLS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Whot hoppen? Did I send a message to youse rather dan du Tabman.
A thousand pardons. But do YOU know how big Krayburg really is?
Msg #15241 Dated 9:27:03 08-20-91 14793 <--> 15242
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Right...and if I tug hard enough on it, Jon will pop up and you can
throw a Finn onto the pile of rat poison, cats, and dogs.
Msg #15242 Dated 9:27:11 08-20-91 14796 <--> 15273
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
I can't think of a comparable area that might be large enough to have
furnished such data. There are many hobby-dealer situations (coins,
stamps, models, etc.) but none that I can think which are performers
and dealers.
Msg #15243 Dated 9:27:23 08-20-91 14797 <--> 15256
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
That is why the best T-Shirts are the ones with the messages on the
back of the shirt. However, as you point out many are on the front
and, of course, across the upper chest on female T-shirts. Same with
name tags. Again, a good idea is to put the name tags on folk's
backs.
That doesn't sound like a cholesterol free effect that Burton the
Bizarre is consuming.
Msg #15244 Dated 9:27:42 08-20-91 14798 <--> 15351
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 100
There is little one can do about one-liners except to not answer them
which I do about 50% of the time. A good one-liner takes thought and
effort since it will give enough of a hint about the thread that one
can answer it without having to back thread. Unfortunately, we don't
get many of those here.
Msg #15245 Dated 9:27:57 08-20-91 14799 <--> 15308
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
When it comes to nails up the nose, as I have said before. it's not
for me.
Msg #15246 Dated 9:28:04 08-20-91 14800 <--> 15254
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Without question there is a strong parallel between the enforced
focus imposed by the graduate studies system and the less structured
isolation of the world of magic. However, in the case of magic, I
am not sure whether it is the discipline or the people that produces
the lack of appreciation for the outside world and encourages the
often undesirable specialization. Is not this phenomenon being some-
what displayed when we push all discussions back to strictly being
magic?
Msg #15247 Dated 9:28:26 08-20-91 14802 <--> 15259
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
Years ago, I had my magic library on a sort card system. You know,
the kind where you punched out holes in the edges of the cards (where
upon you had made notes, listed the books, etc) and then used a long
needle to sort the cards you wanted since they were not kept in any
order. I don't remember what the name of the system was, but you
caused me to remember them in speaking of the punch card systems.
Msg #15248 Dated 9:28:43 08-20-91 14834 <--> 15309
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
The details of booking magic shows may not touch on the experiences
of everyone on this board, but we do have a number of people who have
extensive experience in this area both in bookings for commercial
ventures and for magic conventions. I have long felt that many of
the complaints regarding convention magic shows might be resolved in
great part by more professionism in the actual booking process and
in enforcing adherence to the agreement by both parties. You are
correct in that acts sometime arrive at convention thinking they are
doing one thing only to find they are doing three things. Indeed,
acts (some of them being the so-called top professionals in the
field) show up at band call and only then tell you they need items
for their show. I recall the need for dry ice on a Sunday night show
once. One of the biggest problems that seems particular to magic
convention shows is the modification of acts to change effects or
more often, add effects because they are performing for magicians.
Indeed of the 12 minutes you contracted for you end getting 24
minutes. I have seen acts do a totally different act than the one
that was contracted. It seems that every year at the I.B.M. we have
at least one act that is almost impossible to work with and who is
a constant problem during the convention. Our performance agreement
seems to grow longer as we modify it to take into consideration the
new problems we encounter each year.
Msg #15249 Dated 9:29:34 08-20-91 14864 <--> 15286
From: BILL WELLS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Great! If you are interested maybe we can get a useful discussion
going on "Coins Across". I wasn't trying to make things more
difficult for you in suggesting that you narrow things down to the
routines or effects you were interested in. In fact, if you are just
interested in learning routines and effects for the pure joy of doing
so, thats fine! I had thought you had something in mind to fit into
your act or a particularly routine.
I think most who have done any coin magic have at least toyed with a
coins across type effect. For me, the basic problem with this type
of effect is that it is basically a series of the same effect. That
is to say, one needs to overcome the fact that after the first trans-
position, each successive one is anticlimatic. There are different
approaches to overcoming this basic obstacle in the effect and if you
are interested we (and others) can talk about them.
Msg #15250 Dated 9:30:11 08-20-91 14883 <--> 15274
From: BILL WELLS
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
Your activities chart for Abbott's was of considerable interest to me
and I did a quick overlay of the I.B.M. Baltimore convention on your
layout for comparison. Discounting SIG, spouse, and organizational
meetings, I came up with an average of 13.25 hours of activities per
day (including your 1 hour for lunch and 1.5 hours for dinner). For
quite some time we have followed an activity grouping approach to the
organization of activities. This means that similar activities are
grouped into the same timeframe each day of the convention. For
instance, lectures are from 11 am to 12 noon and 1 to 2 pm each day.
The Big Three Event (comedy club/close up/lecture) is 2:30 to 4 each
of the last three days. Evening shows are 8 to 10:30 pm. Late Three
Close Up Lectures are 12 midnight to 1 am each of the last three
nights. The core activity events with the greatest appeal are
scheduled into the mid day, mid afternoon, and evening hours. Events
of secondary interest are scheduled around these core hours. We have
experimented with fewer activities and more free time but this
resulted in complaints, particularly if one group had free time while
others were doing something. The point being that scheduling does
require quite a bit of thought and advance planning.
Msg #15251 Dated 9:30:56 08-20-91 14893 <--> 15260
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
David! Are you talking about Jeff Hobson doing a silent act instead
of his comedy club talk act??? You have to be kidding?
I would point out that Jeff used to do a silent manip act...but I
doubt that is what you are talking about here.
Msg #15252 Dated 9:31:10 08-20-91 15033 <--> 15310
From: BILL WELLS
To: RANDY LUND (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTIONS
The solution is simple...just make Biro pay a quarter for every one
liner!
Guess I better take it easy or I may become a double digiter.
Msg #15253 Dated 9:31:17 08-20-91 15044 <--> 15311
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR WIRE
I am not sure I am wicky enough for that!
Msg #15254 Dated 9:31:23 08-20-91 15052 <--> 15257
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Gad! What a horrid memory you have dredged up from the depths! The
doctoral committee!!! After weeks...yea months of preparation for a
few hours of misery and questions to probe not what you KNOW, but
rather what you do NOT know. I recall that instead of being elated
that I had passed, I was completely deflated. It is indeed a brain
wash!
Msg #15256 Dated 10:30:49 08-20-91 15243 <--> 15312
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Bill Larsen is selling topological T-shirts. You put your finger on
the picture of a magician and then move in certain directions, etc. and
end up on the one square signed by the person wearing the shirt.
Msg #15257 Dated 10:36:44 08-20-91 15246 <--> 15258
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Programming is working on a plan to allow MAGIC! to have various
sections that the members can select at their own option. It is about
two weeks away from being ready. Right now it is possible to have such
sections, but because MAGIC! is a private area the sections must be
activated/deactivated by the sysop.
The plan is to have sections for casual conversation as well as ones
for deep thought. An individual member will be able to select the ones
they want to read and respond to. There will also be some new read
commands that will allow faster access to messages addressed personally
to an individual and messages addressed to all.
When reading, the sections you have selected will be TRANSPARENT. In
other words, no need to read all the messages in one section and then
switch to another.
I'm hoping that this plan will take the heat off of the casual
conversations by allowing a member to either engage in them or to
decide to skip them.
Msg #15258 Dated 10:45:22 08-20-91 15254 <--> 15360
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I remember my final orals vividly. My chairman decided to resurrect an
ancient custom and to hold the exam in public. Afterwards, we had
coffee and little frog shaped chocolate cakes.
The deflation you mentioned is quite common - it is probably related to
post-partum depression. During the doctoral program the students
always used to say, "When this is over, I'm going to have the biggest
celebration in history." When it really _was_ over it was more like
"Ho hum, what do we do next?" (When I was a doctoral chairman I
actually had one student come to me after their exam to ask what their
next course was - I told them it was called LIFE).
Msg #15259 Dated 10:53:10 08-20-91 15247 <--> 15362
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
The system with the cards with holes around the edges and rods used for
sorting is called a McBee sorter. It was a paper based version of a
database.
Msg #15260 Dated 10:58:02 08-20-91 15251 <--> 15297
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Yes, I was referring to Jeff Hobson. Yes, a silent act instead of his
comedy club act.
Msg #15262 Dated 16:12:16 08-20-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-47
The forty-seventh set of MAGIC! messages - #13000 (August 8, 1991)
to #13499 (August 10, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-47.TXT. This means that you can now
go to the file area, download this file, and read the forty-seventh
volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the
PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed
version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-47.ZIP and is less
than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #15263 Dated 16:12:54 08-20-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-48
The forty-eighth set of MAGIC! messages - #13500 (August 10, 1991)
to #13999 (August 13, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-48.TXT. This means that you can now
go to the file area, download this file, and read the forty-eighth
volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the
PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed
version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-48.ZIP and is less
than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #15264 Dated 16:48:18 08-20-91
From: MARTIN BALES
To: STEPHEN WATSON (X)
Re: THANKS
Thanks again for giving me this number. Looking forwad to seeing you
again.
Msg #15268 Dated 20:18:19 08-20-91 -> 15314
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: TOO QUIET
It seems awfully quiet around here. I assume that there are two
reasons for this: the crisis in the Soviet Union and the temporary
absence of Pete Biro, Tabby Crabb, Stan Lake, and a few others. But I
think that we should show the folks who ain't here that we can think
without them. Why doesn't someone start a new thread and surprise all
of us?
Msg #15269 Dated 21:14:45 08-20-91 -> 15291
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MARRIOTT
Do you still plan to meet tomorrow at 5:00PM to see J "A" P.?
Msg #15271 Dated 21:49:59 08-20-91 15203 <--> 15293
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Planta.
Planta who?
Planta be hearing lots more Kudzu references as the damn stuff spreads!
'W.
Msg #15272 Dated 21:52:39 08-20-91 15206 <--> 15277
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WANTED TO BUY/SELL
Why doesn't he just MAKE one with a blank silk and the proper size andn
color permanent marker?
'W.
Msg #15273 Dated 21:55:45 08-20-91 15241 <--> 15307
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
...and just when I thought I had brought this infernal thread to a
conclusion!
Rats!
'W.
Msg #15274 Dated 21:58:24 08-20-91 15250 <--> 15288
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
I still contend that poor scheduling caused many disappointed attendees
to miss the Jim, Vic and Shag show!
'W.
Msg #15275 Dated 22:16:02 08-20-91 -> 15315
From: MICHAEL STARR
To: ALL
Re: COLLECTORS BOOK
I have recently acquired a book called "Magicians Own Book" by Dick and
Fitzgerald. No copyright date just "Entered according to Act of
Congress, in the year 1857...". This book is in excellent shape. I
have been informed from a good source that this book is priceless. I am
not a collector of books so I am putting the book up for grabs for a
reasonable offer, or I will consider a decent trade. Any takers?
Msg #15277 Dated 22:39:04 08-20-91 15272 <--> 15295
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: WANTED TO BUY/SELL
I guess he wants something that looks a bit more professional done and
accurate - how should I know if the guy can draw?
Msg #15278 Dated 22:36:45 08-20-91 -> 15279
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: VEGAS SCENE
Tons to report... but phone set up here at Tropicana NG... got the
wires out of the phone, Aligator clips keep slipping off.
Will hit with the major news tomorrow... was up last night til almost
4 am with Siegfried and Roy... in their apt/dressing room, talking
magic, and BIG NEWS....
They do shows for 3,000 people A NIGHT... $1 Million a week coming in
to the showroom.
.
Lance Burton show Off tonight, but cght Shimada at Riviera in SPLASH.
Greatest use of lasers I have seen. Shimada perfection as always.
Got 100 messages to read/reply to tonite... arhg....
Msg #15279 Dated 22:41:02 08-20-91 15278 <--> 15317
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS SCENE
Good to hear from you, Pete. You must be in terrible shape, stuck way
out there in Las Vegas, far from magic and magicians... 'Til 4 a.m.
with Sigfried & Roy? You shoulda let 'em get some sleep - they've
alread seen a lot of packet tricks.
Msg #15283 Dated 23:06:26 08-20-91 14165 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SUBSCRIPTION REMINDER
****************************
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Effective on Sunday, September 1st, MAGIC! will become a subscriber
system. The subscription fee will be $30 per year. Those who have
contributed in the past, the Charter Supporters, will have automatic
six month subscriptions in recognition of their generosity.
As a subscription incentive, we are offering three different BONUS
PACKAGES which can save you up to $24!
These subscriber bonus packages include the new PASSPORT TO
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how to customize MAGIC! to your personal preferences, lots of
hints, tips, techniques and more. If you choose a subscription
bonus that includes the PASSPORT, your PASSPORT will be personally
autographed to you!
IMP! 1.0, the Interactive MAGIC! Program, is a remarkable program
that allows IBM and MS-DOS users to dramatically reduce their
on-line phone charges. Created by Jerry Burton, and donated to
MAGIC!, IMP!, in conjunction with your communications package,
allows you to quickly capture MAGIC! messages, to end your
on-line session and to read the messages while you are off the
phone. Using IMP! you can create new messages and reply to
existing messages and then connect back to MAGIC! and send your
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Msg #15286 Dated 23:14:35 08-20-91 15249 <--> 15294
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I don't agree each sucessive coin moving across is necessarily
anti-climatic. The first one they were not expecting, but sucessive
ones they watch for. You can actually heighten the suspense by
announcing that each sucessive one is even more difficult, especially
the last one.
.
Tagaki has an excellent move using a 'spider' vanish (or as Roth
called it, 'a Bertram double feint') that really looks good. I saw a
new routine Johnnie Ace is working on using a really nice 1964
Kennedy expanded shell that Sterling is now making. It is done flat
on the table, and looks really magical.
Msg #15288 Dated 23:14:45 08-20-91 15274 <--> 15366
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
How did that happen ? I must agree that Randy must have been schedule
d for something else, or he would have reported on the Jim, Vic and
Shag show.
.
By the way, where will they be playing next ? I want to make sure we
get a report on them here on MAGIC!
Msg #15291 Dated 23:15:12 08-20-91 15269 <--> 15336
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: MARRIOTT
I'll be there about 6 pm, have a few other chores to do. See you ther
e.
Msg #15292 Dated 23:28:52 08-20-91 15190 <--> 15299
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK!
I don't recall who tore up who or what... just finished whirlwind
tour of a million dance numbers here in Lost Vegassssssss
Msg #15293 Dated 23:28:58 08-20-91 15203 <--> 15338
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TRIX
Nice TA.... you is high on the list of the good ones on board!
Not kiddin....
Msg #15294 Dated 23:29:04 08-20-91 15204 <--> 15302
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Good ol' Aquarium sand... Popcorn salt is finer than regular salt
too, and works good (also for the salt pour) -- gambler buddy hit
me with some real work tonite on daub...
Msg #15295 Dated 23:29:12 08-20-91 15206 <--> 15325
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WANTED TO BUY/SELL
Rice made great card silks in that size. Don't know who currently
has any. Try Genii free classified too.
Msg #15296 Dated 23:29:17 08-20-91 15208 <--> 15298
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
I hate to disagree with skill level. Just spent the afternoon with
top undercover guy in Surveillance at major casino. He said the
guys with the magic SKILL can dumbfound the gamblers.... they don't
know a double lift from an Elmsley count. What he said is that
the gambler may have a crude move but does it when no one is either
looking or paying attention. The mage can do THE MAGIC MOVE while
being looked at.
.
He told me a magician watching him deal 2nds started to criticize
him (after) for grip and whatever... the gambler said, "So, F*ing
what... I took all the money home!"
.
He told me a magician used to be a pit boss at a casino. He would
get bored and do a card trick on occasion. He said he and his
partner would hate the guy, and the stuff.... but loved it when he
did tricks as they would stick a couple of hundred dollars worth
of chips in thier (secret device)while the guy was dong magic.
Msg #15297 Dated 23:29:38 08-20-91 15212 <--> 15313
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Same stuff, same guy... did both...
Msg #15298 Dated 23:29:44 08-20-91 15213 <--> 16876
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Yo... forgot about THE voice.... har....
Msg #15299 Dated 23:29:50 08-20-91 15220 <--> 15485
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK!
Evan... you are not winning.... tsk....
Msg #15300 Dated 23:29:55 08-20-91 15221 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DENTAL STUFF
Great! Polymer want a cracker?
Msg #15301 Dated 23:30:00 08-20-91 15231 <--> 15368
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: GIANT SILVER HALF DOLLAR
Killer meeting with S&R... and othe stuff. Will phone you WED at
work... much to say... I will send message if I miss you.
Got the backstage tour set.... etc.... all good.
Msg #15302 Dated 23:30:07 08-20-91 15232 <--> 15304
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Remind me about lecture classif's too tired here in Vegas
Msg #15303 Dated 23:30:12 08-20-91 15233 <--> 15370
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: I DON'T THINK I WANT TO S
Conceptually what the heck matters anyway? He is a dealer and after
his show sold the crap out of them!
Msg #15304 Dated 23:30:18 08-20-91 15234 <--> 15320
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I just remembered a trick with large r band wrapping it twice and
breaking off... theoverlap locks it...
Msg #15305 Dated 23:30:25 08-20-91 15236 <--> 15372
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
You got to use part of the old message so I know what you is talkin
bout...
Msg #15307 Dated 23:30:36 08-20-91 15242 <--> 15327
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
This is to ALL ALSO.... TAlked to Roger Ray on phone... he is doing
GREAT... caught it early... medication is all for now and he
should make full recovery.
.
DO YOU KNOW HE IS 77 YEARS OLD!
Msg #15308 Dated 23:30:44 08-20-91 15245 <--> 15375
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
I have worked out great version of Gaetan's card on forhead with
thumb tack, NOW USING LARGE ROOFING NAIL!
Msg #15309 Dated 23:30:49 08-20-91 15248 <--> 15376
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I spoke with a casino manager today that said "When an act, and
often it is a magician... goes over the contracted time... it
costs us $10,000 a minute at the tables!!!!"
Msg #15310 Dated 23:30:56 08-20-91 15252 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUBSCRIPTIONS
A quarter? Amazingly... the header on the message was garbled, so
i don't know who wrote it!
Msg #15311 Dated 23:31:01 08-20-91 15253 <--> 15377
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: YOUR WIRE
Aha... the garbled message was precededand followed by WELLS.
foo on yooo
Msg #15312 Dated 23:31:06 08-20-91 15256 <--> 15328
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Does Brenda wear one?
Msg #15313 Dated 23:31:10 08-20-91 15260 <--> 15326
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DA 4
You still miss the point of Wells' comment. Hobson did a silent act.
Made NO MONEY... he talks and now makes lots of money.
Msg #15314 Dated 23:31:15 08-20-91 15268 <--> 15321
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Glad to hear you can think without the lunatic fringe. I have heard
that MAGIC-NL has a program that filters out messages from some
of us!!!! Argh...
Msg #15315 Dated 23:31:20 08-20-91 15275 <--> 15413
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL STARR (X)
Re: COLLECTORS BOOK
If I am first to ask... I would like first right of refusal. But I
am travelling and it might take a day or two to get back. PLEASE
REPLY ASAP...
Msg #15317 Dated 23:31:27 08-20-91 15278 <--> 15318
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS SCENE
OK... some of what Siegfried told me... they are going to be
featured in a TV Animation Series... 56 episodes in about 10 or
more languages. He also told me about who the inspiration for
the look, props, ideas, ec. for their current who was. AN ARTIST.
I think he said (It was late and Tony kept pouring the J&Bs....)
they have raised 25 Million to start their TV Series, "Siegfried
and Roy -- Masters of the Impossible" -- Roy was very "IN on the
talking too".... one of the great nights in my magical history of
activities.... et al....
.
AND BOY WAIT TIL YOU HEAR WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO FOR THE NEXT
DESERT SEMINAR!!!! SIGN UP NOW....
.
Do you know they use 22 Tigers in the current show?
.
This is the 3rd time I have seen this show and it has gotten even
better, smoother...stronger.
.
Siegfried does a ROPE TRICK in one segment that fooled the ****
out of all of us.....
.
Similar to Paul Curry sliding knot... but he cut it in two places
and slid the knots in opposite directions!!!!!
Msg #15318 Dated 23:31:53 08-20-91 15279 <--> 15330
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS SCENE
You got on quick.... Do you know that Siegfried sat across from
his bar fiddling with a deck of cards, then finally put them down,
I think he wanted to do a card trick for Joe, Jay and I but
chickened out!!!!
.
Jay (Marshall) found a collection of old German phono records that
he gave to S&R and it blew them away... then the coup de gras (is
it ok to use that phrase?) was he gave them an OLD AND RARE GERMAN
edition of Ottokar Fischer's great book (I forget title it was
in German.
.
Joe said "all set on MAGIC! session next DS.
Msg #15320 Dated 23:55:46 08-20-91 15158 <--> 15322
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The coin-through-dental-dam is 20 to 25 years old? Shows you what I
know, I thought it was much more recent, like from the mid-Seventies.
Msg #15321 Dated 23:57:17 08-20-91 15314 <--> 15329
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Come on, is this true? Filters out messages from people? Really?
Msg #15322 Dated 0:23:44 08-21-91 15294 <--> 15344
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
That rope trick you saw S&R do is Harary's; he did it at the Castle a
while ago.
Msg #15325 Dated 0:41:43 08-21-91 15295 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WANTED TO BUY/SELL
Thanks for the info - if we can't come up with the 8-1/2" x 11" card
silk info from the members here on MAGIC!, I'll suggest it to him.
Msg #15326 Dated 0:44:22 08-21-91 15313 <--> 15363
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I think that Wells and I understood each other perfectly regarding
Hobson.
Msg #15327 Dated 0:45:54 08-21-91 15307 <--> 15349
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
THANKS for info on Roger Ray, Pete! Very glad to hear that he is doing
good. If you see him or talk to him, tell him the folks on MAGIC! are
thinkin' about him. We're savin' his note for him.
Msg #15328 Dated 0:47:55 08-21-91 15312 <--> 15352
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAWYERS
I'm told that women tend to wear the shirts backwards. Er, or was that
inside out?
Msg #15329 Dated 0:48:41 08-21-91 15314 <--> 15364
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Yep! It's true! MAGIC-NL has a program that filters - I think it uses
a combination of name and message length.
Msg #15330 Dated 0:50:55 08-21-91 15318 <--> 15332
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS SCENE
Wow! I'll bet that Sigfried was taken by the gifts - sounds great!
Thanks for the info on DM - Tell Joe I hope he feels better.
Msg #15331 Dated 0:52:38 08-21-91 15222 <-
From: LYNN HEALY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESEARCH
That's where Oracle comes in! You create your tables to hold your
data, and then create the indexes as needed to speed retrieval.
Obviously, the more indexes you have on a table the slower the
inserts and updates, but even on our larger tables (300,000 rows)
inserts and updates are fast even with 5 or 6 different indexes!
I think you're probably thinking from a perspective of PC products,
which seem to be written for the computer-illiterate to use. Get a
proper commercial DBMS and you'll be able to tailor the application
to your needs.
Msg #15332 Dated 0:52:47 08-21-91 15317 <--> 15388
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS SCENE
Talking to yourself again, Pete? That most have been SOME trip!
Msg #15336 Dated 8:39:58 08-21-91 15291 <-
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MARRIOTT
O.K. See you there!
Msg #15337 Dated 9:55:25 08-21-91 15148 <--> 15354
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Fortunately, we have a used paperback store near us and that is the
source of many of my SciFi purchases. Yes, a number of magic books
have appeared on the remaindered tables of book sellers such as Crown
Books, Dalton, etc. I recall the Encycopedia of Card Magic and one
of the Dawes books.
Msg #15338 Dated 9:55:41 08-21-91 15149 <--> 15339
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
The biggest problem with Kudzu presently is that if we don't stop
talking about it, the non botanists on the board are gonna stage a
mutiny. I suggest we now let the beast spread in peace...or pieces.
Msg #15339 Dated 9:55:53 08-21-91 15150 <--> 15342
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Will Spanish Moss grow in California? Everything else seems to, ex-
cept pineapples.
Msg #15340 Dated 9:56:00 08-21-91 15151 <--> 15348
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
I am just hoping there is still MAGIC! with or without me after Sept.
1.
Msg #15341 Dated 9:56:08 08-21-91 15152 <--> 15357
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
My premiums memories are ones from Radio...Merita Bread and the Lone
Ranger and a silver bullet, and Sky King and a decoder ring are two
that I recall and still have.
Msg #15342 Dated 9:56:18 08-21-91 15166 <--> 15355
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Mostly just waves...
Msg #15345 Dated 9:57:09 08-21-91 15170 <--> 15392
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I would love it! I have seen them before but never had one. I do
have at least a couple copies of the original routine booklet. Did
you ever learn the routine?
Msg #15347 Dated 9:57:32 08-21-91 15172 <--> 15395
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUBE
Talk to Jay in Vegas...maybe he can find some to bring along to
Wichita when we meet for final tape review in February.
Msg #15348 Dated 9:57:39 08-21-91 15176 <--> 15356
From: BILL WELLS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
But that could be ...of the house and lineage of David...in which
case there would at least be a relation to GOD.
Msg #15349 Dated 9:57:47 08-21-91 15183 <--> 15353
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
We are fickle beasts, are we not?
Msg #15350 Dated 9:57:53 08-21-91 15211 <--> 15367
From: BILL WELLS
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I do know that the French Canadians were quite enthusiasic about
De Gaulle, particularly when he said "Viva la France! Viva la Quebec
!" They should like 'em better than they do the "English" Canadians.
Actually, most things are bilingual in Quebec and they well know the
importance of the tourists dollar. We have found them to be friendly
and helpful. Any acts will book will be primarily for the convention
attendees, who will be almost entirely english speaking.
Msg #15351 Dated 9:58:37 08-21-91 14776 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 100
MESSAGES!!!
Msg #15352 Dated 9:59:20 08-21-91 14781 <--> 15359
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAWYERS
OK...Pete! Would tricks were you doing 10 years ago as compared to
what tricks you do today?
Msg #15353 Dated 10:00:23 08-21-91 14782 <--> 15365
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Actually, I use a Chinese Hand Laundry...
Msg #15354 Dated 10:07:24 08-21-91 15337 <--> 15378
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
Guess I'll have to check the remaindered books at the regular
bookstores more often! Thanks for the suggestion.
Msg #15355 Dated 10:08:43 08-21-91 15339 <--> 15379
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
There are probably parts of California where Spanish Moss would grow.
Certainly, Southern California isn't one of them. We did have a
pineapple growing in the backyard for a while, but it died before it
produced fruit.
At one time, the fibre in Spanish Moss was used as the filler for
airplane seats. Apparently, it was durable and lightweight. I don't
know if anyone has tried Spanish Moss fibre as a form of invisible
thread.
Msg #15356 Dated 10:11:36 08-21-91 15340 <--> 15380
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
There _will_ be MAGIC! after September 1st, barring some catastrophy so
large that MAGIC! won't be the major problem - like California falling
into the sea. Even in that case, there would probably be someone on
the other coast who could take it over. Which does bring up a good
thought - a copy of the membership roster should be in someone's hands
on the opposite shore. Of course, those of us who live here believe
that it is _the_ _rest_ _of_ _the_ _continent_ that will fall into the
sea, leaving us looking like New Zealand.
Msg #15357 Dated 10:17:20 08-21-91 15341 <--> 15381
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Incredible that you still have your decoder ring! Maybe I will go find
mine and we can leave messages here for each other.
I probably would have been a radio kid, but my family got an early
television set - one of those 7" RCA's that you sometimes see in
nostalgic commercials and museums. I was around 6 at the time and I
believe the set cost something like $495 in early 1950's dollars.
Msg #15359 Dated 11:38:12 08-21-91 15256 <--> 15382
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
That moving the finger around on the T-shirt could either get ex-
citing or dangerous depending on whom the shirt was.
Msg #15360 Dated 11:38:22 08-21-91 15257 <--> 15361
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
All of the above sound like good additions to MAGIC! Will we be
able to dl all messages even across conferences? Will we be able to
use IMP and then up load to all conferences in one upload?
Finally, have you figured out a way for new folks to at least try the
board for awhile without paying...a trial subscription?
Msg #15361 Dated 11:38:36 08-21-91 15258 <--> 15383
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I also remember how great it felt to have such a grasp on the field
of Biology (in my case)...you literally knew something about every-
thing. Then without constant use of all the information, it began to
slip away. First, you had to pause and think. Then you remembered
that you knew that but can't remember the details, then you forgot
ever knowing it.
Frog shaped chocolate cakes??? Isn't that at least somewhat symbolic
of your pet peeve? (grin)
Msg #15362 Dated 11:38:58 08-21-91 15259 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OLD RESPONSES
The McBee sorter was GREAT!.....for about a year.
Msg #15363 Dated 11:39:03 08-21-91 15260 <--> 15393
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Jeff's silent act was an excellent manipulation act and Jeff had an
excellent stage presence. However, it is the comedy club act that
has given him exposure and notoriety. I suspect the comedy club act
is putting quite a few more scheckles in Jeff's pockets as well. If
Jeff didn't talk in the CC act then I don't think he would enjoy the
same success as he currently does.
Msg #15364 Dated 11:39:20 08-21-91 15268 <--> 15400
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Prepare for another break in the numbers of messages. I will not be
on the board for the next five days. Becki and I are off for a
meeting on high (literally...in the mountains of NM) with Joe and
Martha Stevens to put the final plans together on the 1992 DMS and to
brain storm the '93 DMS. See you next Tuesday!
Msg #15365 Dated 11:39:35 08-21-91 15273 <--> 15374
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
OK...I will tie the infernal thread off in a final knot!
RAts!
Cats!
Finn or should I say....Fini?
Msg #15366 Dated 11:39:46 08-21-91 15274 <--> 15432
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
There is certainly no doubt whatsoever that something has caused a
great multitude of attendees (in a multitude of attendances) to miss
the Jim, Vic, and Shag show. Will they be going into reruns?
Msg #15367 Dated 11:39:57 08-21-91 15286 <--> 15369
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I didn't say that each successive coin moving across is necessarily
anti-climatic. I said that is the basic problem with the effect that
the performer needs to address. Yes! Heightening the suspense by
making each successive coin more difficult is a potential solution.
A complete reversal in the direction of movement is another. Use of
a back pinch to cause a visable appearance of a coin into the hand is
another. I wasn't just trying to point out the basic weakness of the
effect Cindy mentioned and to get discussion started on potential
solutions....your response is hopefully but the first of thousands!
I recall that John Kennedy had an excellent "flat on the table" coins
across with a shell. John Carney also had a flat version in his very
earliest lecture. Is not the "spider vanish" a Marlo vanish?
Msg #15368 Dated 11:40:28 08-21-91 15301 <--> 15472
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GIANT SILVER HALF DOLLAR
Good! Looking forward to hearing from you. Will try you at home
tonight late my time if I have not heard from you during the day.
Please make note! prefix on my WORK number changes from 382 to 260
as of 8/26/91...all else stays the same. Work FAX number prefix also
changes to 260.
Msg #15369 Dated 11:40:42 08-21-91 15302 <--> 15371
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Anytime...the classification is all in my head anyhow. Remind in a
couple of weeks.
Msg #15370 Dated 11:40:50 08-21-91 15303 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I DON'T THINK I WANT TO S
To me, it matters a great deal conceptually! I don't necessary feel
that comfortable with effects that are not logical!
...and my name is NOT Spock!
...and what does selling "the crap out of them" prove? Magicians
are impulse buyers and if he had do flaming garbage can lids, he
probably would have sold the crap out of 'em.
I also happento thnk that somewhere in that peabrain of yours, it
also matters conceptually to YOU....so DON'T give ME any CRAP!!
Msg #15371 Dated 11:41:11 08-21-91 15304 <--> 15386
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yep! Also used in silk ties, load ties, etc.
Msg #15372 Dated 11:41:17 08-21-91 15305 <--> 15473
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
but I don't know what your old message was about cause you didn't use
part of my older message which was in response to your older message
that I didn't know what it was about. And THAT...my dear Biro ...
IS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ONE LINERS!!!!
Msg #15374 Dated 11:41:37 08-21-91 15307 <--> 15387
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
GREAT! Super that Roger Ray is doing OK! Hope we can all give him a
standing O at the DMS in March.
Msg #15375 Dated 11:41:45 08-21-91 15308 <--> 15398
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Have you tried it with a railroad spike?
Msg #15376 Dated 11:41:51 08-21-91 15309 <--> 15474
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
It is getting almost that bad with what the stage hands cost us!!!
Msg #15377 Dated 11:41:57 08-21-91 15311 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOUR WIRE
I was merely trying to identify potential revenue for the board...and
to apply the tax to the heaviest user! (or was that abuser?)
Msg #15378 Dated 11:42:27 08-21-91 15354 <--> 15403
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I always glance over the remaindered area first...you would be
surprised (well maybe not) what you find there.
Msg #15379 Dated 11:43:20 08-21-91 15355 <--> 15404
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
In my jobs here at EPA I have been toured through most of the
agricultural areas of California and Hawaii. Believe me, pineapples
are one of the very few things that apparently will NOT grow
successfully in California. A Parasite as a gimmick is a most
interesting concept!
Msg #15380 Dated 11:45:38 08-21-91 15356 <--> 15405
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
Another thought that could be worthy of pursuit is to establish hub
boards in the East and MidWest and South that folks could call that
would then dump the messages onto MAGIC! thereby allowing less expense
for long distance calls. This is already being done with PCBoard and
others.
Msg #15381 Dated 11:47:25 08-21-91 15357 <--> 15390
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Not only the decoder ring, but also a clear plastic arrow head , a
telescope ring, and something else I can't remember. The first TV I
remember had a round screen and everyone in the neighbor went to see
the Jersey Joe Walcot - Rocky Marsano (sp?) fight on it. It was a
knock out in the first minute.
Msg #15382 Dated 14:08:48 08-21-91 15359 <--> 15401
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Or both.
OK - I can't do a one-liner. Reference: "That moving the finger around
on the T-shirt could either get exciting or dangerous, depending on
whom the shirt was."
Msg #15383 Dated 14:10:42 08-21-91 15360 <--> 15384
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Yes, unlike some more primitive systems, you will be able to either
read or download all messages in the sections you are enrolled in with
one operation. When reading, replying or appending, sections are
transparent on MAGIC! You will see something new in the header though,
that will let you know which section the message is in. You will only
have to specify a section when you are entering a new message. We are
working on the programming for MAGIC! and the programming for IMP! so
that things will proceed seamlessly.
The current plan for new subscribers after September 1st is to offer
the money back guarantee.
Msg #15384 Dated 14:17:09 08-21-91 15361 <--> 15561
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I do admit to some trepidation with the frog shaped chocolate cakes.
But, after all, they were not real frogs - at least that's what I was
eventually able to tell myself when I was told that they were
particularly good chocolate. Kind of a conflict of interest.
Interestingly, the next point in my life that involved all of the
drama, tension, and preparation similar to the final orals was my
audition at the Castle.
Msg #15386 Dated 14:20:41 08-21-91 15322 <--> 15396
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Thanks T A, hmmmmm Harary's.... hmmmmmm
Msg #15387 Dated 14:20:46 08-21-91 15327 <--> 15397
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You need to reg for Sem to get low seat nr.
Msg #15388 Dated 14:20:50 08-21-91 15332 <--> 15408
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: VEGAS SCENE
I got to airport at noon today and the gate agent said, THIS TIK
IS FOR TOMORROW... THIS FLITE FULL. S went back to hotel and
WILL SEE LANCE TONITE... ahaha
Msg #15390 Dated 14:21:00 08-21-91 15341 <--> 15406
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Spanish moss does not grow iin Spain.
Msg #15392 Dated 14:21:09 08-21-91 15345 <--> 15399
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Waht routine, your message 15345 refer to? I can't go back in
thread today, on imp and battery about dead....
Msg #15393 Dated 14:20:32 08-21-91 15363 <--> 15491
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Well, with comedy clubs being the cultural phenomena that they are, I
guess I can forgive him for working them.
Msg #15395 Dated 14:21:20 08-21-91 15347 <--> 15479
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TUBE
Some coin stuff? Joe think we will not need to go to Wichita this
year.... crabtree has some tapes, need to retrieve... he is gone
Msg #15396 Dated 14:21:25 08-21-91 15367 <--> 15424
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Mike Skinner was a great expnent of spider van
Msg #15397 Dated 14:21:29 08-21-91 15374 <--> 15402
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
He wants t do the LAST NOTE gag at SLC
Msg #15398 Dated 14:21:33 08-21-91 15375 <--> 16239
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
Will do just for you.
Msg #15399 Dated 14:21:53 08-21-91 15170 <--> 16240
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I just re read the ramsay... do you want it. Specify in message YES
Ramsey touve.tube... sorry spelling bad rushing as battery life about
to go....
Msg #15400 Dated 14:21:40 08-21-91 15364 <--> 15437
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Bill - You NEED a laptop computer! Anyway, hope you have (had?) a good
trip - the mountains of New Mexico are beautiful and I'm glad to hear
that those who attend DM have the resources to provide for such nice
planary sessions.
Msg #15401 Dated 14:22:57 08-21-91 15352 <--> 15686
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Have not changed tricks I do for public in ten yerrs, about to... HO OH
OH BATTERY DEAD LITE JUST CAME ON... BYE FOLKS FOR 24 HOURS
Msg #15403 Dated 14:27:46 08-21-91 15378 <--> 16243
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
OK, truth time - I scour the remaindered section of any bookstore I
walk into. But most of my books that way! 'Course, then I peel the
little discount labels off.
Msg #15404 Dated 14:29:52 08-21-91 15379 <--> 15409
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Personally, I've been trying to use black widow spider web as invisible
thread. The problem is that the threads are initially quite sticky and
it is hard to get one to keep from sticking to itself while it is
drying. And, taking the stuff seems to annoy the widows.
Msg #15405 Dated 14:32:33 08-21-91 15380 <--> 16245
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
We do have such a plan (hub boards) with MAGIC-NL and are working on
setting up some others in various other countries. Within the U.S.
there are a lot of ways to keep the phone costs down (IMP!, PC-PURSUIT,
etc. along with some others we are working on) so that a call across
the country is really often the same price or less than a call between,
say, New York and Baltimore. It is actually often cheaper for me to
call across country than it is to call within California. But, as the
network grows, there is the possibility of "distributed MAGIC!."
Msg #15406 Dated 14:35:51 08-21-91 15381 <--> 15423
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Ours was actually a round picture tube that had been "rectangled" by
the design of the box. Shortly after we got ours (probably about a
year later), one of my relatives got one that was a PROJECTION video
system, very much like today's units, only B&W. It had a screen that
was probably about 17" diagonal and that was lifted into position by
raising the top of the unit.
Msg #15409 Dated 16:43:40 08-21-91 15355 <--> 15414
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Spanish what?
Just got back to the office, after going to the daytime Dodger game.
Good game - - Strawberry hit 2 HR's.
But hot out there. Now to get some work done.
Msg #15410 Dated 16:48:27 08-21-91 -> 15415
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: CHECKS
Please tell Evan that you received my check. He thinks that "the check
is in the mail" is just a joke.
You'll notice that I haven't rec'd his $15.
Castle Fri noon?
Msg #15412 Dated 19:13:19 08-21-91 -> 15417
From: RANDY LUND
To: ALL
Re: GOOD-BYES
Guy's...bad news...I'm loosing my 2400baud modem which I have
been using for the last year. It was borrowed from Upjohn and
now has found a home there and needs to be returned. This
combined with the high cost of phone service, ave $50-60/mo and
the time consumed to keep up with all the traffic caused me to
take a look at should I continue with this.
.
With fall comes a new soccer season ( I am Chief Referee for our
AYSO region ), a new slate of magic shows which require
practice, and a new assignment at work which is going to result
in much more travel, something had to give. What I chose to
give up, with no little anguish, was MAGIC!
.
I have enjoyed our discussions here on MAGIC!. The insights
of Pete, Tabby, Max, Dave, et al. have genuinely helped me in
formulating a performance philosophy and I will miss them.
.
Randy Lund
Msg #15413 Dated 19:39:57 08-21-91 15315 <-
From: MICHAEL STARR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COLLECTORS BOOK
Pete, I would like to give you the right of first refusal but at this
time I am seeing what offers I can receive, I am not necessarily
looking for a monetary gain, I am presently expanding from close-up
into a small stage show and am hoping for maybe a trade on some good
illusions. All offers will be considered. You are the first though.
Seeing that you are the first to reply, I will not accept any offers
before I give yours consideration.
Msg #15414 Dated 20:01:45 08-21-91 15409 <--> 15519
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: TRIX
I don't know about you, Marvin. Half the time you're on MAGIC!, the
other half you're playing hookey at Dodger games... And then there are
the Friday lunches at the Castle... How can _I_ get a job like yours?
Msg #15415 Dated 20:03:37 08-21-91 15410 <--> 15426
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CHECKS
Evan -
I really DID receive Marvin's check. Well, it wasn't exactly HIS
check, but it was a check sent in his honor.
Msg #15417 Dated 20:07:13 08-21-91 15412 <--> 16246
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY LUND
Re: GOOD-BYES
But Randy - Modems is pretty cheap these days (around $50 -75) and if
you use PC-Pursuit you can cut that phone bill to $30/month - FLAT FEE.
And with our new section plan you'll be able to read "MAGIC! Lite."
We'll keep the modem on for you...
Msg #15423 Dated 23:24:10 08-21-91 15381 <--> 15438
From: T A WATERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
The clear plastic arrowhead sounds like a Straight Arrow premium -- did
it have two lenses, some whistles and a siren? The telescope ring
sounds like the Captain Midnight Teleblinker Ring.
Msg #15424 Dated 23:26:20 08-21-91 15367 <--> 15427
From: T A WATERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Chelman had an excellent point in his lecture -- that the second coin,
not the last one, should be the cleanest, because that's when the
heat's on. When they see that they can't catch that one (because
that's the one you stole to begin with) they give up and you can do the
last one with a simple steal. Chelman's routine -- with four DIFFERENT
coins, which can be done impromptu, is pretty interesting.
Msg #15426 Dated 0:12:38 08-22-91 15415 <--> 15428
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHECKS
I don't understand. What check. Does Marvin owe me money? I don't
remember loaning any to him. Hm.
Msg #15427 Dated 0:14:25 08-22-91 15424 <--> 15439
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Was Chelman successful at this in his routine? Making the second coin
the most impossible?
Actually, I think an intersting thread would be a discussion of all the
coins across routines out there -- which are the best, etc. A version
of some of the talk about the Macdonald's Aces which took place here a
few months ago... Anyway, I'd never heard of Chelman's routine, and it
intrigued me.
Msg #15428 Dated 0:16:04 08-22-91 15410 <--> 15449
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: CHECKS
I'm sorry, I've been out of it a while, and don't understand this. Do
I owe you money? Do you owe me money? As you know, I've been away for
several months, so I haven't been following everything here, so please
refresh me.
Msg #15430 Dated 0:19:26 08-22-91 -> 15550
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: COINS ACROSS
I thought it might be interesting to put out a public call for opinions
on that old goody, coins across. It's been the subject of some recent
discussion, and is intriguing. It's a classic, and there are more
versions and variations than there are hairs on a dog. But, plowing
through all the different versions, what are your particular favorites?
Or preferred versions for different occasions? Or favorite, most
ingenious sequences?
A similar discussion on the MacDonald Aces a few months ago, before I
went away, was particularly fruitful -- this is certainly as rich a
topic to mine.
Msg #15432 Dated 0:36:08 08-22-91 15288 <--> 15433
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
I'm not sure. I'll ask Dave Madden and letcha know.
'W.
Msg #15433 Dated 0:38:24 08-22-91 15366 <--> 16249
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
No, they wouldn't be seen on Nickelodeon.
'W.
Msg #15434 Dated 0:43:00 08-22-91 15349 <--> 15435
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Yes on both counts.
'W.
Msg #15435 Dated 0:43:30 08-22-91 15365 <--> 15493
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Now that you've FINNished this dread thread, I'm gonna excuse myself
and go to the JOHN.
'W.
Msg #15436 Dated 0:50:53 08-22-91 15318 <--> 15494
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS SCENE
Pete, while you are there check with Joe and Geno to see if there is
going to be a Close-up Conclave in Dec ? Lots of interest out here
in lumpenland.
.
P.S. Hope you had your zombie ball with you, it makes a good follow
up to your packet tricks.
Msg #15437 Dated 0:50:59 08-22-91 15400 <--> 15492
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Damark has an 8088 dual floppy laptop for $ 399. That way you can
travel and still keep in touch.
Msg #15438 Dated 0:51:03 08-22-91 15341 <--> 15518
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Who knows what evil lurks in the minds of men ? Lamont Cranston !
Msg #15439 Dated 0:51:07 08-22-91 15367 <--> 15440
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I think the name 'spider vanish' is credited to Marlo. Roth attribute
s it to Bertram. When I first read about the vanish I could not
visualize how it would fool any one. Now that I have seen Tagaki and
Roth use it, I can see how powerful it is.
.
It is particuliarly deceptive if you do a fumbling type transfer so
that the observer thinks you REALLY didn't take the coin in the other
hand. When you show it 'empty' using the spider move, they are convin
ced they were right and it is in the other hand. When you show that
hand empty they have no where to go, since they have already accepted
the first hand as empty and when you show the second empty - it kills
Msg #15440 Dated 0:51:17 08-22-91 15424 <--> 15470
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Right - the first one is a complete surprise, the second and third
should be the cleanest, so that by the time you get to the last one
they know what's going to happen and have given up trying to figure
out how you are doing it.
Msg #15441 Dated 0:51:22 08-22-91 -> 15502
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
S
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Damark has 1200 baud external modems for $ 19.95 !
Msg #15446 Dated 5:53:46 08-22-91 -> 15453
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: PUNCH CARDS
If you need some punch cards duplicated, we got the machines here.
As High-Tech as NASA is suppose to be, we sure have a lot of "museum"
pieces around here!
Charlie
Msg #15447 Dated 5:55:02 08-22-91 -> 15504
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PINK POLYMER
Evan, if you get any of the unfibered pink polymer, I wonder if I might
be able to get a small sample from you. I used the salt trick with
great results and would like to test out this stuff. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #15448 Dated 5:56:34 08-22-91 -> 15505
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: GIANT PENNY
Any one know where I can get a penny that is the exact size of Kennedy
half dollar? It doesn't have to look exactly like a Lincoln pennny as
long as it is close. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #15449 Dated 7:29:18 08-22-91 15426 <--> 15488
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CHECKS
Last I remember, Marvin owed you $ 15 'cause I thought you'd already
paid him back the $ 30.
Msg #15453 Dated 7:44:55 08-22-91 15446 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: PUNCH CARDS
Great! There are only two cards, but I'd like to have a couple of
copies. They are part of an interesting little effect and since I only
have the one set and card duplicators are getting rare, I'm afraid that
if they get torn or something I'll never be able to perform it again.
Let me check one more local resource. If that fails, I might need to
send 'em to you.
Msg #15454 Dated 7:52:55 08-22-91 -> 15506
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ORGANIZATION
What is the best method for organizing/storing small props? I just
went looking for something and had to go through 48 plastic shoeboxes.
Msg #15455 Dated 8:00:04 08-22-91 14862 <--> 15507
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MARVYN ROY
I spoke with Carol Roy yesterday. She had an MRI done and it turns out
that she had cracked a bone in her leg when she fell just prior to the
show at Abbotts. Thus, she quite literally performed with a broken
leg. Seems to be on the mend now, although it is slow going.
Msg #15470 Dated 14:20:46 08-22-91 14513 <--> 15471
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I really have no desire to teach anyone magic and was responding to
outside forces, questions and suggestions.
Msg #15471 Dated 14:20:55 08-22-91 14534 <--> 15477
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Was talking to Scotty Johnson who sings lead with Bone Pony about
magicians. Scotty is from Plano, Texas and he said that he remembered
a magician who came to his school every year. Magician's name: BOBO.
Msg #15472 Dated 14:21:05 08-22-91 14557 <--> 15508
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GIANT SILVER HALF DOLLAR
Picked up a new accordian joke for you in Music City:
What's the difference between a snake and an accordian player laying
dead in the middle of 16th Avenue (main Music Row studio street)?
.
Ans: The snake was probably on his way to a gig.
Ans2: There were skid marks in front of the snake.
Msg #15473 Dated 14:21:14 08-22-91 14563 <--> 15475
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I spent some time with Kevin King in Nashville. Kevin is a working
pro. Owns two houses, etc, etc. Kevin was a friend of David Hoy's and
gave me a stack of Hoy memorabilia.
Msg #15474 Dated 14:21:21 08-22-91 14567 <--> 15525
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
The Opry House I was referring to is the Grand Ole variety, not
the Carnagie variety which is still in NYC.
Msg #15475 Dated 14:21:27 08-22-91 14573 <--> 15480
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Thanks for the info on Mr. Haden. maybe he'll respond to my letter
and I can visit him if he's up to it.
Msg #15476 Dated 14:21:35 08-22-91 14601 <--> 15538
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
Hi Mike,
I was away til today so no rush. Glad BOTH packages arrived. I've got
some more stuff for you and will get to it in the next few. I looked
at a cool old civil war house in Lebanon, TN on 37 acres and am
probably gonna put a contract on it today to get the move back down
south going. Got a barn and a good sized shop, pond, etc. Talk to
you later. Good luck on Castle audition, I think you'll do great.
Msg #15477 Dated 14:21:44 08-22-91 14614 <--> 15497
From: TABBY CRABB
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The second printing of Roth's _Expert Coin Magic_ was published by
D. Robbins.
Msg #15478 Dated 14:21:52 08-22-91 14620 <--> 15482
From: TABBY CRABB
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Perfect. From now on, I'm _Rhizome The Magician_.
Msg #15479 Dated 14:21:57 08-22-91 14642 <--> 15511
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUBE
Thanks for the info on the Ireland 40-cent gaff and for checking it
out with Jay.
Msg #15480 Dated 14:22:02 08-22-91 14681 <--> 15483
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
The _T A Waters Video_ arrived while I was in Music City. Haven't
hada chance to view it yet, but will sometime over the weekend. Thank
you for saving me one til I could get my check out to you.
Msg #15482 Dated 14:22:16 08-22-91 14729 <--> 16257
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Yeah, September looks like it for fme too. I've gotta make a coupla
road trips then, but will still have time. We might be putting a
contract on a property in Lebabnon, TN later this afternoon and may
well be in the moving process sooner than later. Just don't have all
the answers right now, but lets do it soon.
Msg #15483 Dated 14:22:23 08-22-91 14749 <--> 15484
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Max and I were having a discussion on the use of video at lecture
venues when it (the fur) started flying. I appreciated all the
comments on lecturing and coined the header _lecturacol_ as a
combo of lecture and protocol. I plan on getting suggestions from
the lecturers involved in MCCM at a later date.
Msg #15484 Dated 14:22:30 08-22-91 14758 <--> 15509
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I like the idea and "feel" of a _teach in_.
Msg #15485 Dated 14:22:35 08-22-91 15125 <--> 16214
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK!
Great seeing you too, Evan. Is your hair still red?
Msg #15488 Dated 14:34:39 08-22-91 15428 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CHECKS
We'll just call it even Evan.
Msg #15489 Dated 14:36:18 08-22-91 -> 15526
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: THURS PM
Will be at Castle tonight with friends from London, dinner at 6:30, and
then to the shows. If you're around, please look us up. If you are
not at the Dodger game, that is.
Msg #15490 Dated 14:45:47 08-22-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: JOHNNY PAUL
Johnny Paul, long time close up worker and resident of Las Vegas was
strickent and hospitlized yesterday morning. Not quite a heart attack,
but has difficulty breathing and blood pressure skyrocketed. He is in
intensive care. This morning hospital said he was in stable condition,
out of the woods,
etc.H
Msg #15491 Dated 15:12:28 08-22-91 15393 <--> 15520
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Not only is it a FREE country, but there are right to work laws.
Guffaw.
Boy have I got some inside stuff, comin' down... argh forever...
Msg #15492 Dated 15:12:35 08-22-91 15400 <--> 15529
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Wells has a NEC high powered, high dollar laptop...
Msg #15497 Dated 15:13:12 08-22-91 15424 <--> 15500
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Is his routine in print?
Msg #15498 Dated 15:13:16 08-22-91 15435 <--> 15515
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
You realize of course that this might have been a thread LOOP.
(Note: Message # 15499 was personal and does not appear here).
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