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Msg #15500 Dated 15:13:29 08-22-91 15439 <--> 15501
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You should see Mike Skinner do the Spider Vanish....!!!!
Msg #15501 Dated 15:13:33 08-22-91 15440 <--> 15523
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Not exactly coins across, but I have a coins (4) thru table you do
standing with a hook coin, you hang coin on pants leg. The idea
came from a guy in England that used to have a portable shelf on
his leg to do the Slydini type stuff standing. But mine took no
pre set up. I think I put it into Tarbell 7 (I havn't done it for
awhile and can't remember all the moves).
Msg #15502 Dated 15:13:42 08-22-91 15441 <--> 15584
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
Are they gas powered?
Msg #15504 Dated 15:13:52 08-22-91 15447 <--> 15531
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: PINK POLYMER
Joe Stevens sells a Ken Brooke pencil with clip that I came up with
for Ken years ago that will secretly dispense the polymer.
Msg #15505 Dated 15:13:57 08-22-91 15448 <--> 15585
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: GIANT PENNY
That is a standard item. I would guess any dealer with trick coins
can help you... ooops.... the one I know of is DOLLAR SIZE....
Now you got me.... How about Australian Penny? English Penny?
If you want one let me know and I will give you one freeeeeeeeeeeee
Msg #15506 Dated 15:14:04 08-22-91 15454 <--> 15532
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
It doesn't matter what kind of boxes they are in... but you can
use a thing called a computer to list stuff and find it by having
a number on each box.
Msg #15507 Dated 15:14:11 08-22-91 15455 <--> 15514
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MARVYN ROY
I understand that just before the show, Shag saw her and said,
"Break a Leg!"
Msg #15508 Dated 15:14:16 08-22-91 15472 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GIANT SILVER HALF DOLLAR
tooooooooooooo goooooooooooooooooood
ho
Msg #15509 Dated 15:14:21 08-22-91 15473 <--> 15510
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Saw BB King at airport. On laptop got a killer anecdote, will need
to re charge and upload in day or two... about 2 guys with their
guitars on the flight up to vegas... killer
Msg #15510 Dated 15:14:27 08-22-91 15475 <--> 15524
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Bob Olsen is the close guy and has all athe info on Haden. He
lives up in Connecticut I think... Wells know how to get him. But
Wells in New Mexico at a dude ranch, dude unti lSunday.
Msg #15511 Dated 15:14:33 08-22-91 15479 <--> 15547
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TUBE
Jay still in Vegas. If I bug him he will look in the BACK ROOM and
see if any coin gaffs... Wells wants one too... if need I can make
up a couple. I got to get a shop going... much to do and talk to
you about....
Msg #15514 Dated 16:13:16 08-22-91 15507 <--> 15533
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARVYN ROY
That was just another of Shag's remarkable prediction routines!
'W.
Msg #15515 Dated 16:16:38 08-22-91 15498 <--> 15530
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Thread LOOP!
We just cut this thread, Biro...now don't YOU start!!!
'W.
Msg #15517 Dated 16:19:19 08-22-91 -> 15555
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: GOING...
I'm going up North for a week or two...no electricity or phone at the
cabin, so a laptop is totally out of the question! Hope you all have
a great Labor Day Weekend and I'll talk to you when I return!
'Wayne.
Msg #15518 Dated 16:50:04 08-22-91 15152 <--> 15534
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
I have an empty display cabinet you could send all that stuff to.
I would let you know how it is doing alla time.
Msg #15519 Dated 16:50:10 08-22-91 15173 <--> 15535
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Any bills I have have actual beards... or hair... on them
If you wanna chuck your thumbtip, check out the no equipment bill
swith in Larry Jennings Large Book (forget the title). It is not
only effective, but a beauty... and ez enuf to lern.
Msg #15520 Dated 16:50:17 08-22-91 15174 <--> 15527
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I will de magnetize em if i sendem.
Msg #15523 Dated 17:12:52 08-22-91 15501 <--> 15560
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Sasco makes both hooked quarters and hookeed halves. Man, you grab one
of those by the wrong end and you are hooked on this trick.
Msg #15524 Dated 17:14:43 08-22-91 15473 <--> 15546
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Congrats on the Hoy memorabilia. Yes, the real working pro's, the ones
who take their job seriously, are, I think, doin' OK. There are a
bunch who like to think they are pro's but who, like the guys I
mentioned on here once, don't do the business like a business. I'm
finding the same is true about clowns. Selecting one for N.'s b'day
party - some I call get right back to me with info kits, others don't
even return phone calls, or return the calls but don't sound like they
want to work, etc., etc.
Msg #15525 Dated 17:18:56 08-22-91 15474 <--> 16786
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
You better take a look at your #14421 - you wrote, "The Grand Ole Opry
and Carnegie Hall are performance venues." Either one suits me,
though. Some of the World's greatest work has been done in each of
'em.
Msg #15526 Dated 17:22:35 08-22-91 15489 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: THURS PM
Thanks for the invite, but will have to pass on it. Tonite is a "Daddy
and Boy" night - Nathan and I will probably hit dinner at the local
pasta joint and then come back home and work on his double lifts.
Msg #15527 Dated 17:25:53 08-22-91 15491 <--> 15528
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Yes, it is a free country - that's how I live - sendin' for free stuff.
Now, if I could only get free stamps.
Msg #15528 Dated 17:26:33 08-22-91 15520 <--> 16235
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Hmmm... Never thought about de-magin' 'em. Guess in the long run that
could decrease their value as collectibles - maybe, donno. Anyway, you
just send me the EXPIRED ones, not the current ones. Seriously, I DO
collect credit cards.
Msg #15529 Dated 17:28:11 08-22-91 15492 <--> 15540
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
So why is this high powered high dollar laptop of Well's not with him
in New Mexico? He could be doin' reports from horseback.
Msg #15531 Dated 17:31:21 08-22-91 15504 <--> 15541
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PINK POLYMER
YOU did the pencils??!? That was one of the first things I owned as a
kid! Probably still have mine somewhere - if I can ever find it, I'm
gonna have you autograph it!
Msg #15532 Dated 17:32:29 08-22-91 15506 <--> 15587
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
Good idea, Pete. I'd never thought of that. Maybe even barcode 'em
all so I can do inventory. THANKS.
Msg #15533 Dated 17:33:05 08-22-91 15507 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARVYN ROY
Apparently there was some byplay between Carol Roy and Karrel Fox over
some cake that was on the stage. Something about Karrel saying, "Make
sure you sweep up that cake so that Carol doesn't fall and break a
leg." But she fell backstage, not on the cake, so maybe it was Shag's
traditional "Break a leg."
Msg #15534 Dated 17:35:12 08-22-91 15518 <--> 16233
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Will have to unearth the Capt. Video stuff, the gaffed pencil, etc. It
is all in a box in one of three closets around hre - at least I think
it is. Somewhere in one of those same closets I think is the
television set that I lost about 4 years ago.
Msg #15535 Dated 17:36:49 08-22-91 15519 <--> 15542
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Thanks for the info on the Jennings no-tip bill switch. Will take a
look at it. Bill Frogs don't fit in tips.
Msg #15538 Dated 18:10:31 08-22-91 15476 <--> 15557
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
Hiho Tabby. Missed ya. Lebanon is a great place. Going to school and
working in that area gave me many occasions to visit. Hope things work
out for the best with the deal. Thanks for the stuff. It was a good
amount of grease to get my wheels turning again.
Msg #15540 Dated 18:16:56 08-22-91 15529 <--> 15549
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
It is too heavy. And I thinque the modem is at worque... thus FREEEE
EEEEEE phone on watts lines.....yar
Msg #15541 Dated 18:17:01 08-22-91 15531 <--> 15551
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PINK POLYMER
NO I DID NOT INVENT IT.... I FOUND THE RIGHT ONES AND THE SPRING
LOADED CLIP FOR KEN BROOKE.... y'know the ball of the spring loaded
pencil clip goes right over the hole in the pencil so the salt
don't fall out unless you want it to.
Msg #15542 Dated 18:17:08 08-22-91 15535 <--> 15543
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Jennings' switch is in "Classic Magic of Larry Jennings".
I have devised a slight variant where you do it as an upside down
shuttle pass. IE: Left hand with bill #1 moves into right hand, and
bill #2 comes up into view... BUT DO NOT LEAVE BILL #1 in RH, but
keep, and lower in LH.
Msg #15543 Dated 18:17:16 08-22-91 15535 <--> 15552
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
You got to see Sanada' PALM TIP. He makes a plastic feke palm, it
goes over something hidden in your palm, like sponge ball, silk
or whatever will fit.... actually it goes over the roots of your
fingers on the palm side... hard to describe. Saw at his booth
during FISM.
Msg #15546 Dated 19:24:37 08-22-91 15510 <--> 15556
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Will get in touch with Wells when he returns from the ranch, dude.
Msg #15547 Dated 19:24:41 08-22-91 15511 <--> 16237
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUBE
Setting up a shop interests me too. Maybe we can work on it some when
I hit yo town pretty soon.
Msg #15549 Dated 19:36:35 08-22-91 15540 <--> 16241
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Someone actually does make a portable with a CELLULAR MODEM. It would
work from horseback, if the horse would put up with it, but I don't
think it would work from the wilds of New Mexico.
Msg #15550 Dated 19:36:53 08-22-91 15430 <--> 15599
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I'm answering this on your "Coins Across" thread, but commenting
on Christian Chelman and his recent lecture. I saw him last night
at our Midnight Lecture here in Las Vegas and he said the same
thing.(RE: second coin of matrix) It wasn't so much the second
coin being the most impossible, but the heightened spectator
awareness after being surprised by the first movement makes them
watch even closer to the next one. The important point was there
was still a progressive level of "impossibility", but the idea of
heat being on the second coin seemed more a technical comment.
I'm sure he didn't mean to say you should relax after the second
coin travels. The spectator is still aware of increasing
impossibility, but the early steal of the second coin shifted the
"moment" to relative safety. The steal being accomplished on the
off count of the first revelation puts the performer far enough
ahead to be able to concentrate on presentation, knowing the hard
stuff is behind him.
I liked his use of four different coins, but it looked like magic
for mgcians, as I wonder how many spectators, not knowing the
"standard" handling would appreciate the difference. I thought
his idea of "Animals escaping from a zoo"(each coin picturing a
different one) was a bit of a stretch, trying to justify an
otherwise (to some) uninteresting routine. I know I'll get some
flack for that last line, but personally, I haven't seen much
point in "Matrix" from a pure magic standpoint, seeing it mostly
as a puzzle, "Bubble gum for the eyes", as Ammar puts it.
For those so interested, Christian had some great solutions to a
technically difficult puzzle such as using different coins, and I
thought his impromptu solution for borrowed coins was ingenious.
T A, I'm sure you remember Chelmans comment on "most magicians
(or laymen) trying to reconstruct his routine forget the
(important!) detail that there were only three different coins
and one matching coin "posing" as a different coin, thus becoming
it's own gimmick! (I'm trying to talk around the real solution,
as people really have to experience his performance first hand to
appreciate Chelman's "Impromptu-ness".
In talking to him later, he showed me one of his bags, (a zipper
pouch, men's purse size, if you will) that contained a complete
mentalist act with all "impromptu" items. To be fully load for a
show and still appear casual and otherwise unprepared is quite a
feat!
I was greatly impressed by his professionalism, and his ability
to tailor his show and to price to accomodate the performing
situation. He stands firm on his first price quoted knowing it is
indeed fair and reasonable, and is truly the best show for the
money. I wonder how many of us have as many as five separate
shows for different situations, fully rehearsed, ready to go.
For the rest of his lecture, I was relatively indifferent, as
most of it was standard fare, (although quite good) but I think I
learned more about the "Business" of magic after the lecture than
all my other lectures combined. Except for Mike Ammar, of course,
although I doubt he and Christian compete in the same market.
There's more, but I just wanted to kick off this Coin thread, so
I'll hold my comments about his other routines for a later date.
David (the other one)
Msg #15551 Dated 19:37:34 08-22-91 15541 <--> 16159
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PINK POLYMER
YEP! I've got one of those w/ball on spring clip. Or, I had one - but
am pretty certain it is still around. But always had trouble with the
salt coming out - had to bang it on the card a couple of times. Guess
I should have used this round dental stuff instead of rock salt, huh?
Msg #15552 Dated 19:39:27 08-22-91 15542 <--> 15553
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Interesting, very interesting. WIll have to work on your inverted
shuttle pass. Also trying to do Elmsley Count with the Frogs.
Msg #15553 Dated 19:40:14 08-22-91 15543 <--> 16244
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Does he get rid of the palm tip? Or does it just work like a flap and
always stays there? Would be great for the old "I've go a zipper in my
palm" bit.
Aside - I've often thought of running a subcutaneous (under the skin)
tube up the hand and into a finger tip. With butane, you could do an
incredible cigarette light from finger bit. (NOTE: Lest anyone try
this, consult your surgeon - do NOT try to install it on your own!).
Msg #15555 Dated 19:44:20 08-22-91 15517 <--> 15593
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS
Re: GOING...
Have a great trip up north, Wayne. We'll be waiting for you to come
home all relaxed and happy.
Msg #15556 Dated 19:44:24 08-22-91 15524 <--> 15559
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I really liked Kevin King. He works a lot of stuff like celeb golf
tourneys. He works as a funnyman and does a great bit of comedy using
one of Ray Stevens' crazy songs and a chapeau. He was working Boots
Randolph' lub in Pinters' Alley. The club is a cabaret with
seating for 300, good stage, sound, lights. For a downtown honkey
tonk venue, a pretty classy joint and Boots really likes Kevin and
uses him whenever he's in town. I talked to him today and he has made
arrangements for us to spend an afternoon with David Price and his
collection. Kevin keeps up with the oldtimers from the TN Triangle
and is a wealth of information on some cool guys.
Msg #15557 Dated 19:44:34 08-22-91 15538 <--> 15637
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
Hohi Mike. Glad to be back as I missed signing on. Next trip down
I'll take software and a modem card as they have an AT in the front
office at MCA. At 3am I could plug in and check everybody out. I have
sommore stuff for you and will get out in a few days after I spend
some time getting caught up on orders in the shop. Let me know if any
of that stuff gives you any ideas.
Msg #15559 Dated 19:46:59 08-22-91 15556 <--> 15568
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Zounds good, Tabman. There is a bunch of magic there in the Nashville
hills. I'm tryin' to figure my way to MCCM as I think it is gonna be
THE place to be.
Msg #15560 Dated 19:55:01 08-22-91 15107 <--> 15563
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Can't wait! I hear the Dai Vernon sections are worth the price alone!
Msg #15561 Dated 19:55:33 08-22-91 15147 <--> 16231
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Believe me, aside from the fact that I am going broke on this renewed
hobby, I am enjoying it immensely!
Msg #15562 Dated 19:57:32 08-22-91 -> 15594
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MARRIOTT
Thoroughly enjoyed our early evening with Johnny "Ace" at the Marriott
yesterday. Sorry you had to duck out early. Let's do that again and
invite some more Magicians to attend!
Msg #15563 Dated 19:56:20 08-22-91 15249 <--> 15589
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I agree with you about "Coins Across" being a series of the same
effect. I find the weak point in many close-up artists' renditions is
that they do the same steal each time! Even David Roth did the same
steal twice in a row. I decided to try a bottom steal for the first
coin across, a retention vanish for the second, a shuttle pass for the
third. That way, I don't feel like a spectator will be able to track my
next move from remembering my last. I've always loved the effect.
Msg #15564 Dated 20:17:42 08-22-91
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Are you going to the Castle for lunch this Friday, and if so, will you
bring along the photos and info on Blackpool?
Msg #15565 Dated 20:18:29 08-22-91 -> 15569
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NASHVILLE
Just received my copy of Genii and must tell you your advert looks
great! I would hope that I can attend, but I must tell you that it is
difficult to make these get togethers without taking my loving wife.
Quite frankly it's a waste to register her since she is bored with most
lectures and conventions. I would imagine that there are other people
with similar problems. It would be nice if you could organize other
activities for mates who want to accompany their Magic devotees, but
who could look forward to alternate activities.
.
By the way, Burton the Bizzare and your truly visited with Johnny "Ace"
last evening and he's looking forward to your event.
Msg #15566 Dated 20:24:41 08-22-91 -> 15574
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: NETWORK
David,
Although the $30 is fair, my monthly phone bills,
coupled with the cost of a child starting college this
week, are severely restricting my use of MAGIC! Is
MAGIC! by any chance accessible via internet? Could
solve all problems if so.
Curious,
Steve Bryant
Msg #15567 Dated 20:43:48 08-22-91 -> 16864
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: HAWAII
Welcome aboard! Good to have a source from the Islands. Speaking of
sources, do you have a contact in Mauii. Plan to spend the last week of
September near Kannapalli. Would have liked to get to the Big
Island.....but not this time. Aloha!
Msg #15568 Dated 20:58:24 08-22-91 15559 <--> 15575
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Well, come on over to the Nuevo DeCarlo (knock on wood) and I'll take
care of you. I'd be interested in running the first "wired" conclave.
I call it a conclave as the definition of convention doesn't fit the
bill on this one.
Msg #15569 Dated 20:58:31 08-22-91 15565 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: NASHVILLE
As usual, no Genii in Charlotte Hall as of yet but glad the ad looks
good. We've added Michael Close and Timothy Wenk since the August ad
deadline too. There is much to do in Music City besides magic and wil
think on it. Besides the usual "lunch with" a celeb (plenty of those
around) do you have any suggestions to alternate significant other
plans. I'm game and Gloria could help out here. I stopped by the
Holiday Inn while there and it will be a great venue. I'm starting to
get excited myself. Glad to hear Johnny Ace is looking 4ward to his
visit. The Nashville magicians should start buzzing when the Genii hi
ts Music City. Thanks.
Msg #15572 Dated 22:12:41 08-22-91 -> 15577
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Penn and Teller are on Letterman tonite doing stuff with rubber gloves
and rats. Very creative and a lot of screams from audience.
Msg #15574 Dated 22:26:52 08-22-91 15566 <--> 16269
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: NETWORK
I would be very happy to talk to the internet people about making
MAGIC! accessible. Could you leave me a priv. message with a contact
there? We are available via PC-PURSUIT - $30/month for up to 30 hours;
costs can be as low as $1.00 per HOUR access to MAGIC! Product is a
bit techy to get started with - you have to incorporate their command
sequence into your dialing/connecting. For info on them, call
800-TELENET.
Msg #15575 Dated 22:31:19 08-22-91 15568 <--> 15600
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Will work on it - may get a trophy for person who hitchikes to MCCM
from the farthest distance. Maybe see if I can catch a ride on Max's
private jet.
Msg #15577 Dated 22:34:23 08-22-91 15572 <--> 15579
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Thanks, Tab - Will try to capture Letterman show.
Msg #15579 Dated 22:36:30 08-22-91 15572 <--> 15580
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I was just gonna tell about P&T as got a call from a satellite viewing
pal... Plants... all ok with box for he.... amf
Msg #15580 Dated 22:37:13 08-22-91 15577 <--> 15581
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
What... Lichtman capture Letterman and P&t.... you man to capture and
lock up? wha/
?
Msg #15581 Dated 22:50:00 08-22-91 15580 <--> 15583
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Yeah! Lynch 'em! Actually, I take the advice Max gave me very
seriously. Whenever I hear that they are going to appear, I try to see
it and attempt to objectively evaluate it.
Msg #15583 Dated 22:56:47 08-22-91 15572 <--> 15608
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Can anyone tell me what time (and L.A. channel) this Letterman dude is
on? Seriously, I don't know.
Msg #15584 Dated 23:02:57 08-22-91 15441 <--> 15591
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
Msg # 15441 was supposed to go to Randy Lund. The msg you were suppos
ed to get read "I just got my IBM photos back and I now have concrete
proof of the existence of the left coast Evan Katz. I'll send a copy
to David and he may want to scan it onto MAGIC! for all the world to
see."
.
I finally figured out what you meant by being gone for a few months.
You must be the East coast Evan, and we have had an imposter on here
while you were away. He says he is Evan Katz and lives in Cal., but
we all know where the REAL Evan lives.
Msg #15585 Dated 23:03:07 08-22-91 15448 <--> 15616
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: GIANT PENNY
Sasco has them. I bought one at IBM. I use one for a tactile test
where the 'penny' grows to half dollar size.
Msg #15587 Dated 23:03:17 08-22-91 15454 <--> 15604
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
I use a machinists chest which has many small drawers. One is just
for coins, another for cig related items, one for silks, etc. It has
larger drawers on the bottom for bigger things and a open top drawer.
I think I got it at Home Club, its made of wood from Taiwan.
Msg #15589 Dated 23:03:26 08-22-91 15500 <--> 15590
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yea, I bet Mike's spider would be great. I have only seen him perform
once (at the Conclave last year) and could tell he knows his stuff.
.
He did a twisted dice bit that was incredible. I asked him if it was
in print, and he said "no way". I guess he thinks It's too good to
let out to the magicalumpen, who would probably screw it up.
Msg #15590 Dated 23:03:32 08-22-91 15501 <--> 15596
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Hmmmm, hooked coin on pants leg, interesting concept. Will try it
out, thanks.
Msg #15591 Dated 23:03:36 08-22-91 15502 <--> 15602
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
Yes they are body gas powered. They come with a sanitary
hook-up .
.
Actually they are Atari external modems that are Hayes compatible. I
couldn't resist, I ordered one today.
.
Do you need an extra NEC laptop battery ? I have 3, and am going to
sell the Ultralite with 2 of them. I find I need mass storage on a
laptop. If you know anyone that wants a really good deal on a NEC
Ultralite with 2 meg memory and built-in modem, let me know. I've
only had it a month.
Msg #15593 Dated 23:03:51 08-22-91 15555 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS
Re: GOING...
Have a good trip. I'll have an anchor in your honor and keep the
seat warm in the upstairs bar.
Msg #15594 Dated 23:03:55 08-22-91 15562 <--> 15613
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: MARRIOTT
Yea, that was fun. I hate doing magic for magicians tho. Gets to be
a kind of can you top this bag, but just BSing about magic is always
fun.
.
Let me know when you are in the area and I'll try to get their earlie
r. Did you get the ring move down ? It's really strong. I'm still
looking for a second move that looks similiar.
Msg #15596 Dated 23:10:10 08-22-91 15427 <--> 15597
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yes -- Chelman's was a very strong routine.
Msg #15597 Dated 23:11:58 08-22-91 15497 <--> 15618
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I don't know if it is in print in English.
Msg #15599 Dated 23:14:30 08-22-91 15550 <--> 15620
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
In a sense Chelman's routine IS magic for magicians -- but not
entirely; audiences do follow the one-ahead concept, and often realize
that the ball or coin that appears is not the same one that vanished.
It is sometimes worth going to a bit of extra trouble to really make an
effect insoluble. To quote my favorite line of Annemann's: "Audiences
are far from being as dumb as some performers seem to think."
Msg #15600 Dated 23:20:21 08-22-91 15473 <--> 15601
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
David Hoy was a dear friend and I still miss him; I wrote some TV
material for him in the long-ago days.
Msg #15601 Dated 23:21:27 08-22-91 15480 <--> 15607
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
No problemo. Hope you like it.
Msg #15602 Dated 23:39:45 08-22-91 15591 <--> 15619
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
Hmmmm..... Maybe we should talk about that Ultra-lite...
Msg #15604 Dated 23:44:33 08-22-91 15587 <--> 15617
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
Interesting - thanks. Will look into a machinist's box.
Msg #15607 Dated 7:11:03 08-23-91 15575 <--> 15611
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Or maybe on Dante Larsen's magic carpet.
Msg #15608 Dated 7:11:08 08-23-91 15579 <--> 15612
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Cool daddy-o. No magish bashing and no exposure with the exception
of the old bacon in the pocket grease daub with rat location.
Msg #15609 Dated 7:11:12 08-23-91 -> 15861
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: BOX O STUFF
Ee;15595
Package arrived while I was in Music City and will check out over the
weekend. Cool about those boxes that our pal located for us dontcha
think? Guess you'll be getting back to work any day now so no more
late night satellite scanning for you. Say, what about doing a
lecture for the Music City Conclave in 1993? Any chance?
Msg #15611 Dated 7:21:49 08-23-91 15607 <--> 15628
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Dante's magic carpet is a great idea. Hope it has seat belts.
Msg #15612 Dated 7:22:59 08-23-91 15608 <--> 15614
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I agree, they did an OK couple of bits. I like their "sterile" card to
mouth. The rat bit was cute - timing was a bit off.
Msg #15613 Dated 8:11:00 08-23-91 15594 <--> 15735
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MARRIOTT
Must admit I don't have the ring move mastered. I do have Dan
Garrett's rope & ring routine scoped, which has a couple of methods
I would like to have shown you. Maybee next time. Later.
Msg #15614 Dated 8:34:28 08-23-91 15581 <--> 15615
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
This is the first time I didn't like Penn... he seemed to HYPER
to me.... maybe they were rushed...??? It was he as a person I did
not like.
.
However the effects performed were as original as you can get, tho
I wonder if the "cage" isn't a standard item in Tannen's catalog.
As I have boycotted Tannen's (in the Spina era) I am not familiar
with their line.
Msg #15615 Dated 8:34:39 08-23-91 15583 <--> 15622
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
NBC 12:30 (follows tonite show) you will have to set you and your
VCR at full reverse to catch 'em as of now...
Msg #15616 Dated 8:34:44 08-23-91 15585 <--> 15738
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GIANT PENNY
Can anyone supply me with SASCO's address and cost of catalog?
Msg #15617 Dated 8:34:48 08-23-91 15587 <--> 15737
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
I have several storage systems.... argh.... smalls go into a
trio of standing small metal cabinets. About 3 feet tall, one foot
wide, one foot deep, with about 10 drawers, roughly 3-in. deep.
Then I have a 12 foot wide, 7 foot high, antique British dept.
store sweater cabinet... has 36 glass fronted wooden sliding
drawers, each about a foot wide, six inches deep and 24-inches
front to rear. The lower 3-feet is shelving with sliding front
wooden drawers. Then in the garage you will find about 30 cardboard
file boxes stacked on shelves. Only trouble is I don't know what
is in any of them at this time. Argh is putting it mildly.
Msg #15618 Dated 8:35:02 08-23-91 15590 <--> 15687
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I am sure it is in Tarbell 7 (edited by Harry Lorayne, if you care).
Msg #15619 Dated 8:35:06 08-23-91 15591 <--> 15621
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
What do you want for the NEC Battery!!!!!!!!!!! Quick.... yo
Msg #15620 Dated 8:35:10 08-23-91 15599 <--> 15699
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Funny... you know years ago I did some surveying and people really
believed that the "silk" (sic) that appeared between the other two,
that you tied together... after it had been vanished... WAS THE
SAME ONE... (ala 20th Century Silk trick) -- they did not even
conceive of duplicates!
Msg #15621 Dated 8:35:18 08-23-91 15602 <--> 15644
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
I can attest to the good of the Ultralite... you can't beat it for
a portable due to its light weight and the only thing I suggest is
that you have two batteries with it so you can extend play!
Msg #15622 Dated 8:35:25 08-23-91 15608 <--> 15629
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Jay Marshall talked to Roger Ray and found they are giving him the
same medication... and Jay then informed Roger that the same
ingredient was used as RAT POISON.
Msg #15623 Dated 8:35:31 08-23-91 -> 15625
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL STARR (X)
Re: MAGI'S OWN BOOK
Michael: Need more info... re Magician's Own Book. Does it have the
fronticpiece? Is the cover the original pictorial cloth binding,
and can you figure what edition it is?
Byron Walker has half a dozen copies for sale, in various states
of condition... says the good ones go for about 75 dollars.
Msg #15625 Dated 8:56:24 08-23-91 15623 <--> 15626
From: MICHAEL STARR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGI'S OWN BOOK
Pete, the book does have the frontpiece and the original pictorial
cloth binding. It doesn't state what edition it is, but preceding the
page that states it was entered according to Act of Congress there is
a date of 1870 so it may be a later edition. The book is completely in
tact with the exception of some pencil writing on the inside front and
rear cover that has been erased. I spoke with J. P. Jackson, a
collector I know in San Diego, and he gave around the same price range
but stated that a expert would have to view the book. As luck would
have it, Micky Hades is in his Seattle shop this week so as soon as I
finish typing this I'm on my way over there. I'll write you back with
his conclusions as soon as I return. Michael
Msg #15626 Dated 11:12:19 08-23-91 15625 <--> 15674
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL STARR (X)
Re: MAGI'S OWN BOOK
Thanks for reply... Since Byron has several copies here, if you can get
a good price elsewhere... go for it... let me know.
Msg #15628 Dated 13:02:35 08-23-91 15611 <--> 15645
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
The few times that I've ridden a magic carpet, I don't recall it havi
ng seat belts nor a steering wheel. I was white knuckled after plung-
ing over 15,000 feet after hitting a (pinking) shear. Whew!
Msg #15629 Dated 13:02:40 08-23-91 15612 <--> 15630
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
The seance hand was cool. I liked the work gloves and kept wondering
why poor Teller kept his head in the cage for so long. I think the
effect of the rats on the audience was great.
Msg #15630 Dated 13:02:46 08-23-91 15622 <--> 15641
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Maybe it workes like an anti-poison on a non rat.
Msg #15635 Dated 15:54:00 08-23-91 -> 15700
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: ALL
Re: WANTED!!
I am looking for a book called - "Magicians Nightly- The Magic of
Eddie Fechter" by Jerry Mentzer. There is a really interesting card
trick contained within it.. The card trick involves having the
spectator hold a card (black) and the magician adds another black card
to it. Then the magicians switches one of the cards in the spectators
hands with a red card. All this is done while the spectator holds the
cards. The climax is when the spectator turns the cards over to reveil
that both cards are red.. I am recalling this trick from memory... So
it is not to xact.. If anyone nows this trick please contact me..
Msg #15637 Dated 16:20:28 08-23-91 15557 <--> 15639
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
The first batch gave me plenty to work with. In fact the past several
weeks has produced more effects than I could do in an hour long act.
I now must script things and get the right effects to fit the theme.
Be in contact with a new inproved routine soon. MIKE.
Msg #15639 Dated 16:59:24 08-23-91 15637 <--> 15652
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
Can't wait to see the new stuff that you have come up with since
last time. Glad your creative juices are flowing. Cut it down to the
bone and it will be good.
Msg #15641 Dated 17:17:38 08-23-91 15614 <--> 15642
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Yes, Penn seemed nervous, hyper, rushed, etc. And the timing on the
cage/rats was off. But otherwise, they did OK.
Msg #15642 Dated 17:18:26 08-23-91 15615 <--> 15643
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I thought it was on NBS but wasn't sure. And I thought Tonite ran 'til
1:00. But left a monitor on and caught it. Finding tips like that on
here is great! Of course, those who found the tip 10 minutes too late
weren't too impressed, but...
Msg #15643 Dated 17:20:17 08-23-91 15629 <--> 15668
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Teller has a tough life. I assume that when they started, they decided
that Penn would talk and Teller would be silent and that Teller would
be the butt of the gaffs. I wonder if now he would make the same
decision?
Msg #15644 Dated 17:22:00 08-23-91 15621 <--> 15734
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
The UltraLite is VERY nice. Definitely one of the best in its class.
I only have two problems - 1) I really need a portable that has a slot
for a standard PC half-card. I have some cards that would really
enhance its use on the road - such as the video digitizing set up, and
2) - well, you can figure out what problem 2 is... it has to do with
green stamps.
Msg #15645 Dated 17:24:48 08-23-91 15628 <--> 15667
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Thanks. I've never flown one (magic carpet) myself. I never seem to
have enough milage points to do it.
Msg #15648 Dated 19:33:11 08-23-91 -> 15650
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: MAGIC ACCESS
While on the road I miss checking in with "Magic." On my last trip, and
while in the Admirals Club, I played around with their computor and
found that they can access "Compuserve." Question.....If I subscribe
to this service, will I be able to access the "Magic" BBS while on the
road?
.
Trust your three year old Magician is on the road to recovery.
Msg #15649 Dated 19:50:43 08-23-91 -> 15651
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SYSOP
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Got yo fax. Thanks for the info. Will try to call Mother Russia later
this pm when the rates go waaayyyyyy dowwwwwnnnn. I'll see if you got
any mail and letcha know. Did you get the Netherlands yet? Lemme know
if I need to send the stuff over.
Msg #15650 Dated 19:56:40 08-23-91 15648 <--> 15670
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: MAGIC ACCESS
Unfortunately, you cannot access MAGIC! through Compuserve. If they
allow local calls, however, you can access Telenet (which is what
Compusere uses to reach many smaller cities) and, using PC-PURSUIT, you
can use a local call to Telenet to connect to MAGIC! It works fine in
the evenings if you have a PC-Pursuit account. Daytime they charge you
a premium. Still less than the cost of a regular long distance call.
Msg #15651 Dated 19:59:04 08-23-91 15649 <--> 15659
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Will try to contact MAGIC-NL again either late tonite or on Saturday.
If I can't get thru, I will ask you to pass information via Krayborg
Switch. Good luck on getting thru to Russia.
Msg #15652 Dated 20:27:04 08-23-91 15639 <--> 15660
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
Cut to the bone is exactly right. I think I have streamlined the act
and made it much more entertaining. A few more non-magical effects but
all quite entertaining. The point of being an entertainer, I think.
Msg #15657 Dated 21:07:28 08-23-91
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MYSTIC POSTER
Geez Marvin, thanks ever so much for the "Mystic" Poster.
On the way home I stopped at a frame shop to display it
properly.
.
You and Audrey are welcome to stop by anytime. Fullerton
is on the way from the Beach to the follow and we're just off the 57
freeway.
.
Still want to do the Lawry thing with you both.
Msg #15658 Dated 21:08:27 08-23-91 -> 15664
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DC
It looks as though I will be visiting a prospective
customer in Richmond either the 16th, 17th, or 18th
of September. Is this close to the Hotel DeCarlo?
Is there a Marriott near by...or strategically located between Richmond
and yourself?
.
As I mentioned previously, we have a trade show going
in Washington October 17 thru 20th. Currently have reservations at the
JW Marriott but I've been told it's
in a dangerous area, near the White House. I'm not familiar with the
area but I understand Marriott has another Hotel
called the Washington Marriott. Do you have a recommendation?
Msg #15659 Dated 21:09:44 08-23-91 15651 <--> 15663
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
I put a contract on the civil war place in Lebanon, TN tonight and
if all goes well we'll be moving the Krayborg to there. Nuevo DeCarlo
on 37 acres and tall columns with ivy. Closer to LA too and can run
MCCMS right from the 2nd story veranda.
Msg #15660 Dated 21:09:49 08-23-91 15652 <--> 15743
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
The magic of entertainment!
Msg #15663 Dated 21:13:59 08-23-91 15659 <--> 15666
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Congrats! Hope enuf of Krayborg goes to Lebanon to make it feel like
home. Hope those tall columns aren't covered in Kudzu, and hope there
is mint growing near the veranda. Surprised you didn't decide to buy
The Hermitage.
Msg #15664 Dated 21:18:53 08-23-91 15658 <--> 15665
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: DC
Thats good news. Sounds like Richmond will have to do. There's no
Marriott nearby but Richmond is 90 minutes away and if you keep me
posted and I'm in town I'll jump in the truck and come down and
have supper with you. We've just put a contract on a house in
Nashville and if all goes well we'll be moving lock, stock and
DeCarlo to a civil war era spread just east of Music City - The Nuevo
DeCarlo. Keep me posted on Richmond and we'll get together. Looking
4ward to it.
Msg #15665 Dated 21:19:03 08-23-91 15658 <--> 16271
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: DC
I'll check out the local Marriott scene and let you know the safest
area if there is one left in DC.
Msg #15666 Dated 21:19:31 08-23-91 15663 <--> 15671
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Krayborg will survive and with a bigger country at my command maybe I
can do more stuff. It's got a pond, woods, large barn, cool old
ag building for Conj Woodworks. No traffic noises down a gravel
road with Charlie Daniels living down at the other end. Just right for
a long haired country boy. A large office upstairs with book shelves to
the 12 foot ceiling. Much more like home. Hope you'll visit.
Msg #15667 Dated 21:44:10 08-23-91 15628 <--> 15678
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
What did YOU smoke in Music City?
Msg #15668 Dated 21:44:14 08-23-91 15629 <--> 15679
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Gloves probably meant one fake hand so his other could kill a rat?
Msg #15670 Dated 21:44:25 08-23-91 15648 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: MAGIC ACCESS
Compuserve and MAGIC! are in no way connected. However (keep this
quiet) occasionally I check in on the Compuserve Magic Forum and
see if there is any message base. Usually get about three a week!
Msg #15671 Dated 21:44:31 08-23-91 15651 <--> 15672
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
I need to ask Arnaud how he is coming on collecting Kaps tapes for
Joe Stevens project.
Msg #15672 Dated 21:44:36 08-23-91 15663 <--> 15673
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Too bad Tab didn't send you a PCX of Krayborg South... looks super
and similar to site of famed Brunswick Stew sans Wells....
Msg #15673 Dated 21:44:41 08-23-91 15666 <--> 15675
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
I'll be at Krayborg South before you..... you dirty rat.... ratman?
Got to run, Raider Game on TV... adiosssss
Msg #15674 Dated 21:48:43 08-23-91 15626 <--> 15708
From: MICHAEL STARR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGI'S OWN BOOK
Hi Pete. Mickey Hades priced it around $100-$150, guess it wasn't as
priceless as I thought. But I guess I will hang on to it for now and
let it age like a fine wine.
Msg #15675 Dated 21:48:35 08-23-91 15666 <--> 15676
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Visit, Heck, I plan to MOVE IN! Seriously, if you don't mind a
neighbor too close, keep me in mind for a couple acres. Always did
want to live down the street from Charlie Daniels, and I figure you,
Glo, and the other citizens of Krayborg won't be bad neighbors either.
And I think I got enuf hair to fit in.
I'm sure Glo already asked the KEY questions - but this place does have
hot water and heat, right?
Msg #15676 Dated 21:51:23 08-23-91 15671 <--> 15677
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Have had a hard time getting thru to MAGIC-NL for the past couple days.
But the Crabb made it in tonite, so I'm gonna try again. Will try to
include your message if I make it.
Msg #15677 Dated 21:53:38 08-23-91 15672 <--> 15680
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Jeez - you'll camp on any thread, won't you? Please don't make Russian
BBSers the longest thread on MAGIC! It confuses even me.
Msg #15678 Dated 22:05:59 08-23-91 15667 <--> 15712
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
We wuz smoking crawdads and catfish, bro.
Msg #15679 Dated 22:06:03 08-23-91 15668 <--> 15682
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I figure those rats were drugged or had just finished dinner.
Msg #15680 Dated 22:06:08 08-23-91 15673 <--> 15681
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Howcum you get the Raiders and we get Arsenio?
Msg #15681 Dated 22:06:13 08-23-91 15675 <--> 15683
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Well, it has a ceiling in the kitchen which is an improvement. It's
hard thinking about leaving the homeplace, but a man's gotta do what
a man's gotta do....and I'm a man who's gotta do. Besides in TN I
won't be the only Crabb in the phonebook and PC-Pursuit is a local
call. I've gotta protect my investment in the band so I gotta do it.
Msg #15682 Dated 22:11:03 08-23-91 15679 <--> 15689
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
The one holding the card was a rubber rat. Figure the others were no
where near his face.
Msg #15683 Dated 22:12:20 08-23-91 15681 <--> 15684
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
In other words, no hot water.
Msg #15684 Dated 22:12:48 08-23-91 15681 <--> 15693
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Just got off of MAGIC-NL. Clear as a bell and got my traffic
passed to 'em. Tried Moscow too, but got that "deep space" noise I
told you about - if you get that, the call DOES go on your bill.
Msg #15686 Dated 22:40:01 08-23-91 15256 <--> 15691
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAWYERS
that t-shirt is Dick Zimmerman's. He was selling them at the last swap
meet in june.
Msg #15687 Dated 22:45:02 08-23-91 -> 15688
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Richard Kaufman is supposed to be thinking about reprinting the book
soon, but the word on the street is that he's too busy right now with
other projects. I too am looking for EXPERT COIN MAGIC. I was at the
same lecture, Cindy, and I found your questions enlightening...color me
overprotected, but I had never heard of "spellbound" before you brought
it up. Thanks!!!
Msg #15688 Dated 22:47:43 08-23-91 -> 15690
From: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I called Hank Lee, no luck...
Msg #15689 Dated 22:52:38 08-23-91 15643 <--> 15692
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I'm sure Teller would make the same decision to be mute today -- he's
a bit on the wierd side (they're BOTH on the wierd side). About
12 years ago when they were performing in their Asparagus Valley
Cultural Society in San Francisco (ran for 3 years -- standing room
only every show) between acts Penn, Teller and Wier used to come out
into the lobby to talk to people -- only Teller would just have that
bizarre grin of his on his face and nod at people! No-one could
ever get him to talk!
Msg #15690 Dated 22:53:39 08-23-91 15687 <--> 15704
From: LYNN HEALY
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: ROTH REVIEW
David is aware now of the demand for his book, and he'll be pressuring
Richard to reprint ASAP (I suppose if Richard himself is too busy he
could work another deal with D Robbins).
Msg #15691 Dated 23:06:37 08-23-91 15686 <--> 15718
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: LAWYERS
Thanks for the info, Ellen. Zimmerman created 'em, but I saw Bill
selling them.
Msg #15692 Dated 23:08:03 08-23-91 15689 <--> 15697
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Check with T A - he says that in a past life he was a CHIEF ASSISTANT
TORTURER - I'll bet he could get Teller to talk. But the real problem
is not getting Teller talking, it is getting Penn to SHUT UP.
Msg #15693 Dated 23:21:51 08-23-91 15649 <--> 15703
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
By the way - in regards to Project Moscow - if you get the recording in
English that the country is busy and to try again, you is OK. Don't
know what happens when you get the Russian recording, but I think you
is OK then. BUT, if you get a roaring sound, make sure you get credit
from phone company, 'cause that one does seem to get on the bill.
Also, if you make it, capture the whole thing - it is kinda fun to
collect the opening screens - like shortwave QSL cards.
Msg #15695 Dated 23:39:46 08-23-91 -> 15705
From: GARY PLANTS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PACKAGE
Tabby, Glad you got the package. I think that you will enjoy it. Let
me know what you think. Got your message the other day on the phone.
Talk at ya later.
Msg #15697 Dated 1:38:07 08-24-91 15689 <--> 15698
From: T A WATERS
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I think Teller's silence works very well for him; he's the element that
makes the team unique -- the part Penn plays could be done by dozens of
performers. There's an unstated malevolence about his presence that
focuses attention primarily on him, whatever Penn may be saying.
And he isn't the "butt" of Penn's jokes; as in the rat thing last
night, he seems to be ENJOYING what's going on -- which, of course,
only makes people more uneasy about him.
I dunno how long P&T will last as a team, but I will make this
prediction; when they split (assuming that eventually happens), Teller
will end up with the strongr career.
Msg #15698 Dated 1:42:29 08-24-91 15692 <--> 15702
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
No, no -- YOU say I was a chief assistant torturer, and I would never
consider such a demeaning position. Besides, I like to work alone --
it's so difficult to find trained help.
Msg #15699 Dated 1:44:49 08-24-91 15620 <--> 15724
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
It's not that people are any smarter now (though as I have indicated
they are smarter than magicians give them credit for); it is just that
they're a tad more sophisticated and a LOT more suspicious.
Msg #15700 Dated 1:47:15 08-24-91 15635 <--> 15812
From: T A WATERS
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: WANTED!!
The transpo card effects sounds like a magician-y variation of
Annemann's excellent and classic "A Card In Hand" -- which you can find
now in Annemann's Card Magic (the Dover reprint of two Holden
collections from the Jinx). For five or six bucks, incidentally, this
is easily the best value for money in card magic.ooks.
Msg #15702 Dated 7:41:33 08-24-91 15682 <--> 15706
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
It looked like a rubber mousie to me.
Msg #15703 Dated 7:41:37 08-24-91 15684 <--> 15709
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
I couldn't get on Moscow last night either.
Msg #15704 Dated 7:41:41 08-24-91 15688 <--> 15719
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Did anybody try Andy Greget or Geo. Daily?
Msg #15705 Dated 7:41:46 08-24-91 15695 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: PACKAGE
Yeah, thanks Gary. Coming up Interstate 81 the other day I though
about heading over to see you but after several days with no sleep
I was lucky just to get back to maryland.
Msg #15706 Dated 7:41:52 08-24-91 15697 <--> 15713
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I agree T A. Teller is the mystery for sure. If they ever split
maybe Penn can grow a beard and get a job as a tabman clone in case
I ever have to be three places at once.
Msg #15708 Dated 9:00:21 08-24-91 15674 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL STARR (X)
Re: MAGI'S OWN BOOK
Don't let it age without reading and studying it. There were a
number of books in that period with almost the same stuff inside,
the publishers used to re-title them for different market segments,
a phrase that did not exist, but it worked... one similar tome is
"The Boys Own Book of Conjuring" etc. Thanks for the info.
Msg #15709 Dated 9:00:28 08-24-91 15675 <--> 15710
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
HOT WATER that comes out of the pipes fast enough to overpower the
COLD water is what you meant, right Davido?
Msg #15710 Dated 9:00:35 08-24-91 15676 <--> 15714
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Danke Vell (thanks a lot in Dutch -- phonetic!)
Msg #15711 Dated 9:00:39 08-24-91 -> 15747
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BS-ERS
Ee;15677
What does the thred hed RUSSIAN BBSERS refer to? Is someone trying
to beat my time with Olga?
Msg #15712 Dated 9:00:46 08-24-91 15678 <--> 15753
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Them crwdads'l getcha every dern time...
Msg #15713 Dated 9:00:50 08-24-91 15679 <--> 15716
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Not necessarily. If Rats are properly trained, in the mode that
Roy, of Siegfried and Roy employ, ie: they sleep with Teller a few
weeks before the show... They won't hurt him during performance.
The only thing you need to worry about is if the rats are confused
by either the Band, or the bright lights.... but these can be
"faked" during rehearsal.
Msg #15714 Dated 9:00:59 08-24-91 15680 <--> 15715
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Just luk i gess. For awhile I liked Arsenio, but he has really
gone downhill, and he's not on skiis. Too cocky... even cockier
than Letterman (cause DL's cockiness is a put on).
Msg #15715 Dated 9:01:06 08-24-91 15681 <--> 15717
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Besides that, yo are a stone's throw from Roy Acuff's museum of
musical instruments and a short hop to Twiddy City. Not to mention
Dollyvilleland, or whateve she calls it...
AH.... CHECK WELLS, THERE IS A GREAT RESTAURANT... NO, THAT WAS
BOSTON.... SORRY....
Msg #15716 Dated 9:01:14 08-24-91 15682 <--> 15721
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
HAY... KNOCK IT OFF, LET US that don't know the secret enjoy the
mystery of thier work.... ok?
Msg #15717 Dated 9:01:19 08-24-91 15684 <--> 15739
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Will youse explain the MOSCOW connection?
Msg #15718 Dated 9:01:24 08-24-91 15686 <--> 16242
From: PETE BIRO
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: LAWYERS
Ellen, where you been hidin? Haven't heard much from you of late.
Msg #15719 Dated 9:01:28 08-24-91 15687 <--> 15720
From: PETE BIRO
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I think you need to go back to the first couple thou messages on
here and see Tabby Crabb's BOOK LIST.... study of those and you
will have a good background when a lecturer rolls in and refers to
a basic, or a "though-by-lecturer" to be a standard you will have
a greater chance of knowing.... (no rush, it takes years to get all
the info).
Msg #15720 Dated 9:01:38 08-24-91 15688 <--> 15745
From: PETE BIRO
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: ROTH REVIEW
What did you call Hank Lee?
Msg #15721 Dated 9:01:42 08-24-91 15689 <--> 15723
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Is it possible he has a voice similar to most illusionists of the
day and just don't wanna sound like a dork too?
Msg #15723 Dated 9:01:52 08-24-91 15698 <--> 15725
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I knew you wouldn't have been an 'ASSISTANT ANYTHING', don't know
where DL got that idea!!!
Msg #15724 Dated 9:01:57 08-24-91 15699 <--> 15736
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
And the lights are brighter nowadays too.........
Msg #15725 Dated 9:02:02 08-24-91 15706 <--> 15728
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Why would they split? Penn wouldn't have anybody to listen to him,
and Teller wouldn't have anyone to talk to him?
And I understand thay have a huge supply of gray suits that
have yet to be worn.
Msg #15727 Dated 9:54:28 08-24-91 -> 15748
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
With all the discussions here on coins across I was fiddling with
some ideas while sitting here at the computer... there happened
to be a stack of about 10 quarters on my desk.
.
Then... at the finish of doing some silly moves, I stacked five
quarters up and was thinking about the old Cap and Pence (Tabman
had reminded me of the title with an old instruction sheet he
faxed to me)... and I HIT A NON GAFFED MODUS to do the trick
where the stack of coins goes thru the spectator's hand!!!!
.
It doesn't have ALL THE bit of the original, IE "no odd coin, or
dice shows up..." but hey... this is IMPROMPTU... "A LifeSaver,
as one might say..."
.
Here is the set up. You can use any number of quarters, but 5 or
6 makes a better stack and display. You need 10 or 12... half are
known and seen by spectators.
.
What I did was this. I did a four coin routine with quarters, a
variant on flying Eagles... it doesn't matter.
You then say, "I need ONE MORE COIN" go into right pocket and
finger palm FIVE COINS and bring ONE in view and add to the four
already on table. You can either have a pre-rolled dollar bill in
shape of tube that will fit over the stack of quarters or try a
sleight I just came up with to cop the coins... it doesn't
matter, you well have to develope the flow with trial...
.
Anyway, you borrow spectator's hand doing the standard COIN STACK
SWITCH... Don't make a move of this. All you do is put the five
visible coins into the flat palm of your own left hand and in a
squaring up action with right fingers you leave the five coins
in the left hand as it turns palm down and your right fingers
come up with the palmed five coins (this is the standard switch
for the cap and pence) and place the five new coins onto the back
of the spectator's outstretched hand. Your left hand holds their
hand steady (the coins finger palmed in left hand are hidden by
the spec's hand) -- again nothing new here.
.
Two ways to finish. With the bill tube you cover the coins on
back of spectator's hand and as in the old trick you count 1,2,3,
and lift the tube (taking the coins with it) and let the coins
drop from under hand onto table.
.
HERE IS THE CLEVER BIT... THE CLEAN FINISH. AS THE COINS DROP
ONTO THE TABLE -- YOU NEED TO PRACTICE THE TIMING HERE -- YOU LET
THE COINS IN THE TUBE FALL INTO YOUR LAP.... THE SOUND OF COINS
HITTING TABLE COVER SOUND OF THE COINS HITTING YOUR LAP!!!!!!!!!
.
Needless to say, you need to, after you lift the tube, come to
the rest position near rear of table so the coins can be dropped
without any noticeable movement of right hand.
.
NON TUBE METHOD. This is hard to describe. But try on your own
hand. Stack 5 quarters on back of your left hand. BEVEL THEM OH
SO SLIGHTLY AWAY FROM YOU. Now, your right hand, from above, held
out flat comes down, the big knuckle area of your right
forefinger touches the stack, pushing down will cause the rear
lower part of the stack to lift off your left hand slightly. You
can move your right thumb forward and NIP the coins. YOu can
lift them off secretly (remember the timing a fraction later the
coins under hand fall to table) and then lap when noise cover
hits. Remember... this is not supposed to be better than the
original... BUT IS AN IMPROMPTU WAY TO DO ONE MORE NICE TRICK.
.
COMMENTS?????
Msg #15728 Dated 9:58:23 08-24-91 15698 <--> 15729
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Don't worry, you would have had plenty of help to select from. Had I
been in the neighborhood I would have produced an entire series -
"Teach Thyself Rackwork," "Teach Thyself Fingercutting..."
Msg #15729 Dated 10:00:16 08-24-91 15702 <--> 15730
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Yeah, pity P&T didn't check out the dealer room at IBM, there were
plenty of great looking realistic rubber rats available.
Msg #15730 Dated 10:01:56 08-24-91 15716 <--> 15731
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Actually, it was a FAKE Teller. Simply some innocent boob that they
made up to look like Teller, without telling him the nature of the
trick.
Msg #15731 Dated 10:03:05 08-24-91 15723 <--> 15733
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Hey! That was _CHIEF_ ASSISTANT TORTURER.
Msg #15732 Dated 10:11:21 08-24-91 -> 15749
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
e
all
the life and times
Sitting here catching my breathe Sat morn trying to keep my head
while the office is crawling with rockers reading fan mail, etc.
Sometimes these girls send them some pretty exotic photos but I
only let myself look just once just to make sure they wern't
lying about that stuff.
.
Here's a couple of lines for you from one of the bone boys' new
tunes; "the spotlights dry the tears upon my face; the road is
always calling out my name." If you don't get it you ain't been
there and if you have you know what they mean. You just can't
explain it since it describes the life of the itinerant
entertainer who tours at any level at all.
.
I played fun poker with Red Lane (Blackjack County Chains, writer
of Willie's first big record), Tom B (top bass man), and two of
their bearded cohorts from the hills (all these guys are 50+
years and boss). After an hour guy says, "Crabb, lets see some of
those card moves I've been hearing about." Well, I'd already
been dealing off the bottom and top and my friend Red had been
winning hands so I waited til it was my deal again and then did
the great poker demo that killer magic teacher, Pete Biro, spent
several hours drilling me on. The sucker punch knocked em out and
we had a great laugh and somebody ordered a double round. Then
Don White from Tulsa started doing one handed cuts. I asked him
if he knew what that was called. He said, "A one handed cut?" and
I told him about Charlier and the French Cut then dealt the same
hands again this time giving Red the spade royal for another good
laugh. All in all a fun morning (midnight to 4am) with some guys
I admire. Thanks again, Pete.
.
There's not that much to it I guess. I have to forget about it
all and be the rock and roll woodman for the next week. You guys
help me keep my feet on the ground or maybe it's the other way
around. Who knows. Not me for sure? Goodbye or later.
.
.
.
Msg #15733 Dated 10:44:33 08-24-91 15725 <--> 15754
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
The rat bit is a rather bizarre way to find a card. Why didn't they
spend an extra buck and get a fuzzy rat, the rubber rat looked goofy.
.
Regarding Teller talking. In their last two shows I have seen at the
Wiltern, Teller has had a speaking part. He is the voice of Mojo the
magic gorilla. In the first show he emerges from behind the Mojo
prop apparently smoking a cig, he actually has a mike. It takes a
while to realize that he is the one doing the talking. In the second
show he has on a wig and glasses and was apparently a member of the
audience. Penn has the first person pick a card and pass it to the
next person, and then next, etc. Teller is the third person on the
left. By the time the card gets to about the fifth person, Mojo
'knows' the card. It took me about 3 cards to figure out that Teller
was the third guy. He then proceeds to have the glasses and wig fall
off, thereby 'exposing' the gag to the entire audience. It's really
a funny bit.
.
After the show both Penn & Teller are out in the lobby hawking shirts
and posters and signing things. Teller talks to everyone, answers
questions, and 'seems' rather normal to me, but what does that mean ?
.
I have opten wondered if Penn was born a jerk, or does he just work
real hard at being one ?
Msg #15734 Dated 10:44:52 08-24-91 15619 <--> 15783
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
Post your address and its yours, you'll owe me a dinner at DMS.
Msg #15735 Dated 10:44:54 08-24-91 15613 <--> 15784
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: MARRIOTT
Look forward to it. Im looking at adapting some rope and large ring
moves to the shoestring and finger-ring. I would really like to have
several routines that I could use, it packs small (only a shoestring)
and plays big and is ideal for walk around stuff.
Msg #15736 Dated 10:44:59 08-24-91 15599 <--> 15763
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I would revise that statement to, 'Audiences are not as dumb as MOST
performers think'. If magicians would take as there major premise
that the audience is as least as smart (if not more so) than they are
and try to build routines that play to this type of audience, then
magic would be better served. The 'dummies' in the audience will
still be deceived and think it is great, but the major advantage is
the 'smart' audience will think its great as well.
Msg #15737 Dated 10:45:06 08-24-91 15617 <--> 15775
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
What you need is a good inventory system to keep track of all the
stuff you have. Maybe you should consider getting a computer ? and
bar code reader.
Msg #15738 Dated 10:45:09 08-24-91 15616 <--> 15786
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GIANT PENNY
SASCO, inc.
11609 Procter Rd
Philadelphia, PA 19116
(215) 698-2404
.
Sharon Wasserman is Sales Manager, catalog should be free.
Msg #15739 Dated 10:44:22 08-24-91 15703 <--> 15740
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
It takes a lot of patience and work. I think that the one I marked
went out of biz. Wait for the traffic to die down and try in a week or
so - maybe go for one of the others. Novosibersk sounds like a hot
one, but you gotta do all that mess with the operator. Suggest
sticking with Moscow.
Msg #15740 Dated 10:47:00 08-24-91 15709 <--> 15741
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Right - discernable hot water. But, in truth, with all that was goin'
on, who cared? Just don't want Glo's trigger finger to freeze in
mid-winter.
Msg #15741 Dated 10:48:16 08-24-91 15710 <--> 15744
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Message got thru last night, but I think Arnaud is still on vacation.
Msg #15743 Dated 10:49:51 08-24-91 15660 <--> 15765
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
Amen BROTHER!!!!!!
Msg #15744 Dated 10:50:11 08-24-91 15717 <--> 15752
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
RE: "Will youse explain the Moscow Connection?"
No.
Msg #15745 Dated 10:50:56 08-24-91 15719 <--> 15915
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Tabby's book list is in the files area. Try lising area #2.
Msg #15747 Dated 10:53:44 08-24-91 15711 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BS-ERS
You have to ask Tabman about the RUSSIAN BBSERS thread - I can't
address it with certainty. Olga isn't alone - someone here in SoCal
now runs a matrimonial service for guys who want to meet Russian women.
Msg #15748 Dated 11:00:03 08-24-91 15727 <--> 15759
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Comments? It is a KNOCKOUT, Pete! Very neat! Now, if I only could
afford 10 or 12 quarters. Hmmmm..... wonder if it'll work with
nickles.
Msg #15749 Dated 11:02:22 08-24-91 15732 <--> 15768
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
Sounds like you are doin' alright, Tab. Just hang in there - get the
Pony washed and brushed - and send 'em air express to Music City. That
lyric is indeed strong stuff.
Msg #15752 Dated 11:21:38 08-24-91 15709 <--> 15755
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Hot water is almost nonexistant now. I'll have to put in a complete n
ew hotwater system if I stay any longer. Hot water was state of the a
rt in 1932, but it ain't 1932 no mo.
Msg #15753 Dated 11:21:44 08-24-91 15712 <--> 16259
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
It was the catfish!
Msg #15754 Dated 11:21:48 08-24-91 15713 <--> 15757
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Those were some ugly rats. Looked like they had put brill cream onem
and "ratted" their hair. Totally ugly dudes.
Msg #15755 Dated 11:21:53 08-24-91 15714 <--> 15756
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Arsenio had on an electric blue sgt pepper coat on last night with
Billy Crystal.
Msg #15756 Dated 11:21:58 08-24-91 15715 <--> 15771
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Life can be sweet in central Tennessee.
Msg #15757 Dated 11:22:03 08-24-91 15725 <--> 15760
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Like grits and red eye gravy, Penn and Teller fit together. One of
the best partnerships in recent years. How could they exist without
each other?
Msg #15759 Dated 11:22:33 08-24-91 15727 <--> 15767
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I had that old cap and pence around for a while. The English pennies
are almost worn out. It is a pinned set sorta crudely made. The litte
copper cap is beautifully done. The tiny, handcarved ivory die is
totally non parallel. I don't know the maker or the year but apppears
to be from early 20th century but could be older. Those coins are
early. Is there any way to make a "cap" from a dollar bill that has
a top and is folded to resemble an upside down coin box of the Okito
type? I always liked wrapping a bill into a shape around my thumb. I
think I read it in the Professor's column in Genii or maybe Magicana
or it might hae been the Reel Works for all I can remember, but I
think it was the Professor. He gets all the credit anyway.
Msg #15760 Dated 11:22:45 08-24-91 15729 <--> 15761
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I may try to get Penn and Teller to lecture for magicians sometime.
I know they must get a hefty fee, but it might be something that
would appeal to the darker side and them see the humor and irony.
Anybody got Penn's phone number???
Msg #15761 Dated 11:22:51 08-24-91 15730 <--> 15762
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Teller has nerves of steel. No wonder he doesn't speak. I wonder if
he screams in the forest alone?
Msg #15762 Dated 11:22:56 08-24-91 15731 <--> 15764
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
TA would be the torturer's torturer. Sort of like, he who watches the
watchers.
Msg #15763 Dated 11:22:57 08-24-91 15736 <--> 15779
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
One thing I see a lot is a magician going through the thought process
of "Hey, I'm a magician and I couldn't figure this out before I learned
the secret, so it'll sure fool my audience..." -- and forgetting that
it is just possible that there are people in the audience who are
smarter than they are -- and that you don't always have to know
anything about magic to figure out how an effect works.
Msg #15764 Dated 11:36:15 08-24-91 15733 <--> 15769
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
The P & T show sounds great. I wish they'll come to Charlotte Hall,
but Nashville may be a possibility. They are doing it. With the rat
bit I would have used a robot rat like disnyland holding the card in
his teeth hanging outo the wire at the front of the cage. Since Telle
rhad a hand in it he could have positioned the rat anywhere he wanted
to. Great, great idea though. I wouldn't have thought of it, but
they sure open my mind.
Msg #15765 Dated 11:36:24 08-24-91 15743 <--> 15849
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
Yo!
Msg #15767 Dated 11:36:36 08-24-91 15748 <--> 15789
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
It's pennies these days.
Msg #15768 Dated 11:36:40 08-24-91 15749 <--> 15780
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
We're rockin'!
Msg #15769 Dated 11:45:20 08-24-91 15697 <--> 15770
From: LYNN HEALY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Teller's character is a creep (his description) - a very creepy one.
He is sometimes the butt of Penn's cruelty, but always seems to come
out on top (as in their card stab where Penn makes fun of him and
Teller ends up getting mad and finally stabbing the card THROUGH
Penn's hand!).
Msg #15770 Dated 11:45:28 08-24-91 15698 <--> 15773
From: LYNN HEALY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Aren't there about 10 -- or rather 9 -- well-trained torturers who
are looking for a job these days?
Msg #15771 Dated 11:45:34 08-24-91 15710 <--> 15772
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
That's "Dank U wel".
Msg #15772 Dated 11:45:39 08-24-91 15714 <--> 15787
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
A friend of a friend dated David Letterman for a short while and said
that he's an arrogant SOB -- I don't believe that his cockiness is a
put-on (no-one's that good a ator).
Msg #15773 Dated 11:45:47 08-24-91 15721 <--> 15774
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Nice thought, but Teller's choice not to talk has to do with the fact
that it adds to his creepiness.
Msg #15774 Dated 11:45:53 08-24-91 15733 <--> 15776
From: LYNN HEALY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Penn is actually quite an interesting, well-read person who cares and
knows a lot about magic. He wasn't a jerk 10 years ago. His stage
character was always boisterous and a bit on the self-important side,
but I think that when they got to NY they found something their
audiences could relate to -- arrogance.
Msg #15775 Dated 11:45:59 08-24-91 15737 <--> 15785
From: LYNN HEALY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
And just what do you think Pete is using to create all his one-line,
incomprehensible replies -- a slate? He could probably add a bar-
code reader to his system, though!
Msg #15776 Dated 11:45:46 08-24-91 15760 <--> 15777
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
P&T have lectured for magi in earlier times, I think. If you really
want a kick - get _Teller's_ phone number.
Msg #15777 Dated 11:46:55 08-24-91 15761 <--> 15778
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I suspect that, per LYNNE's message, there is probably a dark side to
Teller. Remember what G. Gordon Lydde did with rats...
Msg #15778 Dated 11:48:12 08-24-91 15762 <--> 15781
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
T A probably WROTE the Encyclopedia of Torturers.
Msg #15779 Dated 11:51:45 08-24-91 15763 <--> 15793
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Actually, the magicians aren't the worst offenders when it comes to
assuming that the audience is dumber than they are - remember, I've
worked with politicians.
Msg #15780 Dated 11:52:48 08-24-91 15768 <--> 15804
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
Good deal! I like Krayborg - wherever it may be - when it rocks! On
the other hand, when SoCal rocks, it ain't NO FUN at all.
Msg #15781 Dated 12:27:25 08-24-91 15729 <--> 15782
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Yeah, a guy pulled one out a dinner a few weeks ago and made me
wish I was a shoe salesman -- not a magical person...argh...
Msg #15782 Dated 12:27:31 08-24-91 15733 <--> 15792
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I believe it is MOFO, not MOJO.... dig bro?
Msg #15783 Dated 12:27:36 08-24-91 15734 <--> 16162
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
P. Biro
16 Los Banos Ct., Walnut Creek, CA 94598-3101
Phone (415) 932-7696
Change area code to 510 next month.... argh.....
Tanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Msg #15784 Dated 12:27:45 08-24-91 15735 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MARRIOTT
Great routine (still available from Stevens Emporium) is a Ken
Brooke item, "The Johnson Ring Trick" from Roy Johnson. Lots of
strong magic with finger ring and piece of rope/string or whatever!
Msg #15785 Dated 12:27:51 08-24-91 15737 <--> 15797
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
A bar code reader? All the bars I have been in show little
in the way of things to read? Or what?
Msg #15786 Dated 12:27:56 08-24-91 15738 <--> 15862
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GIANT PENNY
Tanks again... sasco address filed.
Msg #15787 Dated 12:28:00 08-24-91 15741 <--> 15788
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Why is the Re: still irrelevant to the messages? Huh?
Msg #15788 Dated 12:28:05 08-24-91 15744 <--> 15795
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Looking for a job in the new Party, eh?
Msg #15789 Dated 12:28:10 08-24-91 15748 <--> 15791
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
It will work with any coins... just go out there and tryit. I have
also devised a KILLER VERSION of Gaetan Bloome's Wot No Wall....
Will perform it fo' you....
Msg #15791 Dated 12:28:40 08-24-91 15759 <--> 15807
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Rolling a paper piece of money is gooooooooooooood.... many have
done this, not sure originator.... Almost anything that fits and
you like is all you gots to do....
.
Glad the Poker dem is doing the duty required.... can't beat the
simplicity of it....
Msg #15792 Dated 12:28:50 08-24-91 15760 <--> 15794
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I got Penn and Teller's manager's number but ain't giving it out
until AFTER they lecture for me!!!! I had them nearly set for the
IBM in Boston when their work sked got changed!
Msg #15793 Dated 12:28:57 08-24-91 15763 <--> 15799
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I watched Lance Burton's new show (which is great) at the "all new"
Hacienda, with a layman. He figured out, more or less, a couple of
the items.... but said, "So what... it was a great show, I had a
great time and the magic was terrific, and Lance was wonderful
on stage."
Msg #15794 Dated 12:29:04 08-24-91 15764 <--> 15798
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
It doesn't matter really, if the rat, or rats, were furry, slick
or made of raccoons.... the overall scene, the premise, the prop,
NOTHING you will find in the Abbott or Tannen catalogs...
Msg #15795 Dated 12:29:11 08-24-91 15771 <--> 15796
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Thank you berry muchas (gad, another language mastered!)
Will call ya soooon.......
Msg #15796 Dated 12:29:19 08-24-91 15772 <--> 15820
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
It is possible that around the auto racing scene (where I ususally
see Letterman) he is HUMBLED by the Mario Andretti's, etc. and
is a different person....
Msg #15797 Dated 12:29:25 08-24-91 15775 <--> 15819
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
No slates here... I use a stone and chisel... it is wired to a
small box near the phone that translates it all into ASS KEY.
Msg #15798 Dated 12:29:31 08-24-91 15776 <--> 15800
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
TELLER'S answering machine is difficult to understand. 30 seconds
of silence followed by a silent beep.
Msg #15799 Dated 12:29:37 08-24-91 15779 <--> 15803
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Paul, or maybe Peter, of Peter, Paul and Mary, said, on a recent
concert: "It is impossible to lie when one sings... if you do,
your audience knows. But it is easy to lie when you merely speak.
Therefore, I would like to see a law making it mandatory for those
seeking political office to have to sing their speeches!"
Msg #15800 Dated 13:30:53 08-24-91 15776 <--> 15801
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Hey, I know how difficult it is to make it in the entertainment
industry. I'm hoping some of it will rub off.
Msg #15801 Dated 13:30:58 08-24-91 15777 <--> 15802
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
What did Liddy do with rats, besides eat them?
Msg #15802 Dated 13:31:02 08-24-91 15778 <--> 15808
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I notice that the gamblers book club is carrying TA's encyclopedia as
well as a lot of reprinted classics plus Busby's _The Man Who Was Erd
and some Paul Harris stuff. Don't tell me gamblers aren't interested
in card tricks.
Msg #15803 Dated 13:31:10 08-24-91 15779 <--> 15810
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Touche, David. Look how long those jerks in Russia fooled the now
wised up populace.
Msg #15804 Dated 13:31:15 08-24-91 15780 <--> 15817
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
I thought we had an earthquake the oyther day but it was Tiny Tim
jumping around in the tulip garden playing his uke through a Marshall
Msg #15807 Dated 13:31:36 08-24-91 15791 <--> 15821
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
No, with the poker deal the hardest part is getting the mental part
together so you remember to do all that stuff real natural like
that's how you did it the whole time. I had alread done the cut a cou
ple of times that night just to see if I could do it in a friendly
game. Nobody even cared. The game did loosen up a little after that
and we started playing some crazy games with dealre calling most
wierd. Guys started doing off the wall cuts and stuff like that.
Pretty funny. Rolling up a playing card and putting a rubber band
around it would work good for cap and pence too.
Msg #15808 Dated 13:31:46 08-24-91 15792 <--> 15809
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
No problem. I'd rather you book em anyway so I can come hang out.
Msg #15809 Dated 13:31:50 08-24-91 15794 <--> 15811
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I agree. These guys really think about this stuff and keep coming
up with new gags.
Msg #15810 Dated 13:31:55 08-24-91 15799 <--> 15822
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I heard that! (re: singing the truth)
Msg #15811 Dated 13:45:24 08-24-91 15762 <--> 15813
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Have you heard of the book WATCHMEN, by Alan Moore? It is written in
comics format, and one of the themes revolves around "Who watches the
watchmen?". Moore is, without a doubt, my favorite writer! Genius!
Msg #15812 Dated 14:09:44 08-24-91 15700 <--> 15863
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WANTED!!
Thanks T.A. Waters. If I'm not mistaken, you're the librarian to the
Castle, right?? I've been looking for that effect for quite some time
now.. Is Annemann's Card Magic actually in print at this time??
Msg #15813 Dated 14:35:59 08-24-91 15781 <--> 15814
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I guess that rats are "in" right now in magic. Makes it difficult to
tell some of the performers from some of the props.
Msg #15814 Dated 14:38:04 08-24-91 15798 <--> 15815
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Wonder if he can type? Maybe TELLER belongs on MAGIC! - Maybe he is
already here - lurking.
Msg #15815 Dated 14:39:01 08-24-91 15801 <--> 15818
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
"What did Liddy do with rats, besides eat them?" - Isn't that enough???
Msg #15817 Dated 14:55:17 08-24-91 15804 <--> 15829
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
Whatever happened to poor ol' Tiny Tim? What with Pee Wee's job open,
he could make a comeback.
Msg #15818 Dated 14:57:24 08-24-91 15802 <--> 15825
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Thanks for the info on Gambler's Book Club. Gonna call 'em and get a
catalog.
Msg #15819 Dated 14:59:10 08-24-91 15785 <--> 16254
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
If you haven't found codes to read in bars, you've been missing a lot.
A "Bar Code Reader" is a basic text on how to tell who wants to do what
to whom in various bars. Also has a section on magicians in comedy
clubs. As to an "Optical Character Reader," I will leave you to your
own imagination.
Msg #15820 Dated 15:01:15 08-24-91 15787 <--> 16273
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
It is actually hard for me to believe tht a clever guy like you can't
create clever message headers. All that talent in one-liners going to
waste. A good message header - one that REALLY DOES capture the
essence of the thread and that doesn't allow the Biro to just camp on
threads at random would be very welcome
Msg #15821 Dated 15:03:34 08-24-91 15789 <--> 15823
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Gadzooks, but you have been busy with the cards and the coins!
Wonderful stuff, Biro-san, keep it comin'. I've hardly had time to
keep up with magic, being too busy with MAGIC! - takes lotsa time to
keep this place hummin', but I figure it is my sacrifice to the greater
good of the field.
Msg #15822 Dated 15:07:35 08-24-91 15799 <--> 15824
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Peter, Paul and Mary have often been known for some rather strange
political ideas. Personally, I think it is EASIER to lie when singing;
just like it is easier to fake a good photo in color than in B&W. Have
there ever been any singing magicians? I know there are dancing ones.
Msg #15823 Dated 15:13:48 08-24-91 15821 <--> 15826
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
what sk rufice?
Msg #15824 Dated 15:14:11 08-24-91 15822 <--> 15833
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Hilarouf, a Kermit (Frenchman) sang Operatic while doing magic lasat
time I saw him. He was very very funny and entertaining guy.
Msg #15825 Dated 15:17:36 08-24-91 15802 <--> 15827
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
i THINK you will find more Magicians going to GBC to buy boox.
Msg #15826 Dated 15:17:41 08-24-91 15807 <--> 15832
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Rolling anything NATURAL to the scene is gooooood.....
Msg #15827 Dated 15:17:45 08-24-91 15808 <--> 15828
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Jus' funnin ya... see your FAX in box bro/////
Msg #15828 Dated 15:17:49 08-24-91 15814 <--> 15834
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I understand the Pennster has a bbs, or had one, or sumpin.... I do
know he into computeringese.
Msg #15829 Dated 15:17:56 08-24-91 15817 <--> 15835
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
What name? Tiny Pee Wee or Pee Wee Tim?
Ah the fun of home office computing... still in PJs and it is 3 pm!
Msg #15830 Dated 15:22:23 08-24-91 -> 15842
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CRAZY FLITE
(Note: This message was supposed to be sent a few days ago when I
hit Vegas... but the batteries were down and on the way out!)
.
Crazy scene... I am on airplane heading to Vegas and the two
guys in row in front of me (total strangers... one an older black
dude the other a DUDE dude... duh, as Leno would say...) anyway
they are across aisle from each other and when they got on they
were both carrying guitar cases. Talk started, then axes came
out.
Old guy had OLD guitar (Gibson) young guy, "I have the
latest Yamaha... etc etc..." Soon as No Smokin' sign went out the
young dude was first to show off his instrument... HAH... 2
minutes later the black dude had his out and was blowin away...
new guy was fried, smoked and near death... NOT even in same
earth league... funny... The new dude plugged some kind of small
box into the black guys Gibson, then put headset on. Black guy
kept rockin' and rollin' and the new guy looked like he had not
heard nuthin this good before.... EVER!!!... ho ho ho ho....
Kinda like a pair of magi, one guy with a packet trick
repertoire and the old guy being Vernon in his prime!
NO... NO... another guy was digging the scene and he grabbed
his case... WHEW... he only took out a book...
Now the CAT is trying to teach the dude what is hapnin' (got
to also send this massage to Tabman...)
I can see the scene in a Mel Brooks movie... Suddenly the Pilot
comes out with his accordion!!!! The stews all break into song...
the male stew goes into a dance routine... The three Black chicks
in one row hit us with the DOO WAHs....
Cleverly, I have tied up the Film Rights for this while we
are waiting for the baggage.
Heh, the white guy is now repeating... "That's COOL"... REAL
LIVE REVIEW HERE ON MAGIC!!!!! Now where did I put my deck of
cards.... Oooops the black guy has stood and turned around and in
black and gold letters has his name on the Gibson... "PINEY
CLARK", OK, in the movie he has a wooden leg...
Just finished talking to Piney... he also deals the greatest
deuce I've seen... he's a Blackjack dealer at the Trop and told
me to play his shift and we will split the moolah later!!
Msg #15831 Dated 15:22:21 08-24-91 -> 15836
From: BRUCE KALVER
To: ALL
Re: HIMBER RING LECTURE
If you own a Himber Ring and don't know what to do with it, come to my
lecture. I will be giving a lecture on my new book HIMBER RING MAGIC
all over the west coast in November If you would like a schedule and further
information: BRUCE KALVER, PO BOX 10421, CRANSTON, RI 02910
(401)467-8749 FAX: 401-781-988I will be at the castle on November 3.
Msg #15832 Dated 15:41:07 08-24-91 15823 <--> 15838
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
You rat! - I knew you were going to do something like that ("What
Sacrifice?"). I figure it is to the greater good of the field if I
limit my performances. Increases their rarity, you know. Raises
prices too.
Msg #15833 Dated 15:43:05 08-24-91 15824 <--> 15857
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Thanks for the info - I figured somebody had to have done a singing
magic act. Did he do straight opera? Or did he deliver lines like "I
take the card" in operatic form?
Msg #15834 Dated 15:44:09 08-24-91 15828 <--> 15837
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Penn and Teller have some sort of computerized announcement machine.
I or someone else can dig up the phone number. It does not handle any
messages or files except their own. Yes, Pennster is into computing;
even writes some magazine columns in the computing field.
Msg #15835 Dated 15:45:49 08-24-91 15829 <--> 15843
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
Drop me a priv. with your fax number - I have a cartoon about home
office computing I can send ya. Sent it to the Tabman, but he didn't
say nothin' so I guess maybe it ain't all that funny.
Msg #15836 Dated 15:48:14 08-24-91 15831 <--> 15855
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BRUCE KALVER (X)
Re: HIMBER RING LECTURE
Definitely looking forward to your Castle lecture on November 3rd,
Bruce. Nice to have you here on MAGIC!
Msg #15837 Dated 15:57:49 08-24-91 15802 <--> 15839
From: LYNN HEALY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
John Luckman started carrying magic books because so many magicians
were buying the gambling books -- may as well separate them from more
of their money!
Msg #15838 Dated 16:22:42 08-24-91 15821 <--> 15840
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
You're doing a fine job, Frog. Easiest system to use on the planet.
Msg #15839 Dated 16:22:46 08-24-91 15825 <--> 15841
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Do you mean that more magicians can read than gamblers or that there
are more magicians than gamblers or what?
Msg #15840 Dated 16:22:52 08-24-91 15826 <--> 15845
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I dig the natural scene. Rolling up a card works for me!
Msg #15841 Dated 16:22:56 08-24-91 15827 <--> 15844
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
That's pretty funny. I thought it was P & T's phone number or
sumptin.
Msg #15842 Dated 16:23:01 08-24-91 15830 <--> 15860
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRAZY FLITE
Is this story about PINEY CLARK true???? If it is and he is at the
trop I wanna meet him. Did play last time with a black dealer who
said he picked. Was in his late 40s or 50s or there abouts. All the
great studio guys in Music City are old guys - 40s up. The youngsters
who get work are the exceptions and usually because some old guy took
an interest and helped him get started. Thank god for the "old" guys
and the exceptional youth in all fields. More about Piney Clark!
Msg #15843 Dated 16:23:10 08-24-91 15835 <--> 16048
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
Yeah, I thought it was funny but I didn't want to show it around
too much.
Msg #15844 Dated 16:23:15 08-24-91 15837 <--> 15859
From: TABBY CRABB
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I bought a ton of blackjack books from GBC. He does have some good
selections and I was especially surprised to see the Vernon Chronicle
s Vol 1,2,3 included. he's been carrying some reprints for a while
etc, but this is the first time I've noticed such diversity. usuallu
I hit the BJ section first anyway. Can't learn enuff about my fave
casino game.
Msg #15845 Dated 16:43:47 08-24-91 15838 <--> 15856
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Thank you! The goal is to - as much as possible - keep the computer
out of the way of the MAGIC! Wait 'til you see the new stuff we are
comin' up with - faster ways to read messages, etc. Also, some new
"hooks" for IMP!
Msg #15849 Dated 20:16:00 08-24-91 15765 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAILED STUFF
Yo Baby, Yo. Or is it...Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of Rum?
Msg #15853 Dated 21:16:22 08-24-91 -> 15892
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
I HAVE WHAT I FEEL IS A GREAT IDEA. I am trying to locate a price on
the DOVE THRU THE GLASS. I thought I could show it unfeked and than
place it on the stand. Next load the crossbow and after attaching a
ribbon to the arrow. Fire it thru the glass. The ribbon is stil going
Make that, the ribbon is then treaded thru the glass. Next the pane of
framed glass is removed from the stand, the ribbon pulled free and the
glass, covers removed shown unharmed. The problem is I do not pocess
a magic catalog and need to fine the current price. Can ya help?
Msg #15855 Dated 21:34:31 08-24-91 15831 <--> 17291
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE KALVER (X)
Re: HIMBER RING LECTURE
Do you plan to be in the San Francisco/Oakland bay area? If so
when? If not, why not?
Msg #15856 Dated 21:34:36 08-24-91 15832 <--> 16276
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Ok, the increase of rarity and higher prices are ok... har
Msg #15857 Dated 21:34:40 08-24-91 15833 <--> 15864
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Straight as can be when he was a looney tune. Did Chinese sticks
with spiders, wound up with spiders all over his body... great
nutcase... has vanished from magic scene.
Msg #15859 Dated 21:34:54 08-24-91 15839 <--> 15867
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
It is a known fact that magicians think they can be gamblers...
They figger if they use "gambling" methods they will do better stuff
than magic moves...
Little do they know the real gambling stuff is neither tipped, or
hard to do... mostly NERVE, TIMING and having a place to steal.
I sed that the other day...
Msg #15860 Dated 21:35:03 08-24-91 15842 <--> 15894
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CRAZY FLITE
All about Piney is true ON THE AIRPLAN... NO he don't deal cards,
and i never saw him after we got off the plane... I was just
writing the proverbial screen play.... Just was a cool scene, this
rank amateur with all the newest props getting nailed by the ol'
dude with the ol' axe....
Msg #15861 Dated 21:55:44 08-24-91 15609 <--> 15878
From: GARY PLANTS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOX O STUFF
Lecture???? On what - Bottoms?
Msg #15862 Dated 21:55:50 08-24-91 15616 <--> 15879
From: GARY PLANTS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GIANT PENNY
Sasco, Inc.
11609 Proctor Road
Philadelphia, Pa
19116
Phone 1-215-698-2404
This is the last address I have for Sasco. Hope it is correct.
Msg #15863 Dated 21:56:01 08-24-91 15635 <--> 15880
From: GARY PLANTS
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: WANTED!!
The routine is called "Be Honest, What is it?" and it starts on
page 10 in "Magicians Nightly - The Magic of Eddie Fechter". Great
book. Some of the best peek work in print. Eddies 6-4-5 Coin
Routine in it is also super. You might contact Mentzer about the
book. It should not be that hard to track down.
Msg #15864 Dated 22:42:48 08-24-91 15857 <--> 15868
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Did his act with spiders, huh? Well, maybe he vanished from magic
scene when props ate him.
Msg #15867 Dated 2:26:52 08-25-91 15778 <--> 15885
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Indeed -- and you should see the deluxe binding...
Msg #15868 Dated 2:32:05 08-25-91 15779 <--> 15869
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
But -- considering who we've been electing -- the politicians are
RIGHT.
Msg #15869 Dated 2:33:28 08-25-91 15799 <--> 15881
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Whichever it was, he sure ain't met some of the singers I have!
Msg #15874 Dated 4:50:40 08-25-91 -> 15883
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: STAGE FOG
Could anyone tell me the composition of water soluble fog fluid? I
have an interest in the magic based on science concepts and will be
presenting a talk to Illinois chemistry teachers where I include
examples of
science used in the
arts (magic).
Msg #15878 Dated 8:51:41 08-25-91 15861 <--> 15895
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: BOX O STUFF
Basements, Deuces, you name it... glad you connected with Mr. M.
And hope you had a colorful telcon. Adios.
Msg #15879 Dated 8:51:47 08-25-91 15862 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: GIANT PENNY
Thanks... got it... altho I just discovered I have about 70 diff-
erent gaffed coins now -- just found a box stashed away... and
need to figure out what many of them are!! I have a file folder
marked "COINS" that I will now go thru....
Msg #15880 Dated 8:51:55 08-25-91 15863 <--> 15897
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: WANTED!!
Byron Walker's company has just issued him a COMPAQ LTE with 40meg
HD, Modem, Diconix Printer... etc... (about $ 6000.00 worth) but
he don't know how to use it yet.... am going to try to get him
online, somehow... and when a book is needed he is a great source.
Msg #15881 Dated 8:52:02 08-25-91 15864 <--> 15886
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Yeah, could be, but hope not. The guy was one of the funniest acts
I saw that year at FISM and he had a great voice, style, etc.
Jay Marshall was duly impressed as well. Have had no luck with any
of my friends over there that have tried to locate him.
Msg #15883 Dated 8:52:28 08-25-91 15874 <--> 15896
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Jay Marshall says his act is "The Science of Industry over Talent...
or... Nothing... spread thin!"
.
I don't know the chemistry info you ask, but there are books at
the library... one title is, "Chemical Magic" -- you might phone
Hollywood Magic and tell them you want to do the trick, but are
afraid of the chemistry... could they tell you what it is before
you buy it?
.
I know I have seen Dry Ice used in a blower-type machine backstage.
Msg #15885 Dated 9:04:58 08-25-91 15867 <--> 15893
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
I don't even want to see the slipcase! But I have no doubt that it is
a most handy tome.
Msg #15886 Dated 9:06:39 08-25-91 15868 <--> 15977
From: DAVID LICHTAN(Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Yeah! Troglodytes.
Msg #15892 Dated 9:56:42 08-25-91 15853 <--> 15911
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
I'll check for you Mike and see about the Dove Thru Glass. My concern
is the accuracy of the bolt or arrow being affected by the ribbon but
this might not be a concern. Dunno yet.
Msg #15893 Dated 9:56:49 08-25-91 15859 <--> 16270
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
You're right about that one. If I try to bottom deal with a bunch of
magicians watching me they'll catch me everytime. I dealt several
hands the other night with all cards coming off the bottom with a
bunch of guys playing fun poker. These guys use the dealers time to
light a cig, orger a drink, scratch, spit, etc. Now guys like our
pal GP can take em from anywhere or Mr. M, but I think gamblrs like
the nervy approach and may have a better understanding of applied
misdirection that a lot of people who think they are magicians.
Msg #15894 Dated 9:56:59 08-25-91 15860 <--> 15921
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRAZY FLITE
I like the Piney story on film. The scenario is true. In Nashvl the
BP boys had to hire a session drummer since their guy couldn't cut
it. The guy who came in, Tommy Wells, is over 40 and looks like a
dentist. Makes a hundred bucks an hour covering drums for guys who
can't. They left with a new appreciation for the old dogs. Woof.
Msg #15895 Dated 9:57:07 08-25-91 15861 <--> 15951
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: BOX O STUFF
Well, bottoms is my favorite, but I've seen yo stuff and you got it.
Maybe a lecture on card moves and how they can apply to card magic
which you do well too. Maybe put a lecture on a poker demo that the
guys can do for their friends. Whatdoyathink?
Msg #15896 Dated 9:57:14 08-25-91 15874 <--> 15900
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Try giving Theatre Effects a call and see if you can pry the info
out of them - for scientific purposes of course - (301) 791-7646
or you might try Baltimore Sound and Lighting in Baltimore - I don't
have their fnumber but call information.
Msg #15897 Dated 10:09:15 08-25-91 15863 <--> 15898
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: WANTED!!
How do I get in contact with Jerry Mentzer? If you have it, and it is
not too long, could you possibly type it up and send it to me?
Thanks...
Msg #15898 Dated 10:33:47 08-25-91 15880 <--> 15901
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WANTED!!
Get Byron online!
Msg #15900 Dated 11:44:55 08-25-91 15883 <--> 15902
From: DOUG SMITH
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Thanks for the suggestion. I have the book. i am aware even of using
ammonia and hydrochloric acid(muratic) which is somewhat dangerous.
i am lucky in that my son is a research chemist. The water soluble fog
fluid has me stuck. I talked to Theatre Effects in Baltimore but
gained little on this subject. My interest is in that magicians use
chemicals but quite often little knowledge of danger or possible side
effects. When I gather enough information perhaps I should write it up
for magicians. For instance, the information on making flash cotton,
string, cord, etc is available but I would not even try it as it is
cheaper to buy. (For instance I know of a case where a college student
added nitric acid to an after shave. Nitric acid turns the protein =c-n
in skin yellow. Left his room and returned later to find the bomb
squad and fire department at the dorm. The after shave had blown up as
he had created nitroglycerin.....Last fall, Purdue University chemistry
department had a a good size explosion. One of the demonstration crew
was making gun cotton and left in an oven over the weekend to dry. the
explosion blew a door off and caused gas leaks....My background
includes a number of teaching chemistry and being in charge of removing
unwanted and dangerous chemicals from the 2 nd largest school district
in Illinois....
Thanks for the interest.
Msg #15901 Dated 12:32:10 08-25-91 15897 <--> 15922
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: WANTED!!
You can reach Jerry Mentzer at Magic Methods, P. O. Box 4105,
Greenville, SC 29608.
Msg #15902 Dated 12:37:13 08-25-91 15900 <--> 15906
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Not long ago a Chemistry Ph.D. in one of the local labs was a bit
groggy one morning and poured WATER INTO ACID. The resulting explosion
blew the room off the building and damn near killed him. As a matter
of fact, the local television stations reported him dead. He is back
at work now, but will never be quite the same.
Msg #15904 Dated 12:44:45 08-25-91 -> 15916
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
I just watched Volume 3 of Michael Ammar's new Classic Renditions
series - The Invisible Bill Switch Plus John Cornelius' Borrowed Bill
Routine. This is 41-minutes of terrific video! The tape is VERY high
quality all the way through; with VHS Hi-Fi sound. The folding
sequence is the Mike Kozlowski one, but the beautiful construction of
the finesse and performing philosophy is pure Ammar.
Michael has brought something new to learning magic in this series -
the use of Super Learning and Neuro Muscular Programming - and it
WORKS. Super Learning is a concept developed in Eastern Europe and
uses special settings and even special music - Baroque - to speed
learning and to increase retention. Neuro Muscular Programming is a
technique borrowed from the sports field. I do not believe that these
techniques have been applied to learning magic before and the results
is VERY POWERFUL.
This tape, along with others in the series, is available from Michael
Ammar, 5107 Evergreen Court, Austin, TX 78731. And of course, Michael
is available right here on MAGIC! if you have any questions.
P.S. - Check the tape for some great pictures of one of Michael's
Tabman Tables!
Msg #15906 Dated 13:07:41 08-25-91 15902 <--> 15925
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
The acid was probably sulfuric(battery acid). The rule is A to W, acid
to water. Hydrochloric acid wouldn't show the same results. The book
"How to Make Flashes, Bangs, and puffs of Smoke" via Micky Hades
mentions sodium and potassium being added to water. Those results are
really dangerous. i suspect that some items are added to books without
trying them out. I few years ago I read in a book about putting your
hand in molten Lead.( I can't find the book) This is really dangerous
unless the lead is way above its melting point and your hand is very
wet. i have seen it live once by Jearl Walker and again on his video
tape where he even walks on hot coals. Jearl writes for scientific
American is a Physics educator. ( also much braver than I)
Msg #15908 Dated 13:35:33 08-25-91 -> 15917
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: ALL
Re: ENIGMA
Does anyone out there have the new trick called "Enigma"? If so, I am
interested in any feedback telling me if this trick is worth the
money..?
Msg #15911 Dated 14:04:35 08-25-91 15892 <--> 15919
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
A concern of mine also. But thought I might be able to build a bigger
one. With a bigger hole or I might do the effect without a ribbon.
Just wondering if it would be as effective. Maybe so. maybe not. Do
not have to do the effect. Just thought it was a good idea.
MIKE.
Msg #15913 Dated 14:29:42 08-25-91 -> 15948
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: ALL
Re: APPEARANCES
For all you So. Calif. magi types, the Comedy & Magic Club down here in
Hermosa Beach is having a week of Magic Sept 24-28. The featured acts
include The Pendragons, Paul Kozak & Scott Cervine. Due to the
overwhelming amount of noise on the line, I haven't been able to scan
and see if anyone else has posed hi yet! Anyway, the phone # there
is (213)372-1193.
Msg #15915 Dated 15:06:06 08-25-91 15687 <--> 15978
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I'm so glad there was someone else there who was as much in the dark
about some of those moves as I was!Re: the book, David seems to think
that Kaufman is doing a reprint already. Told us it would be out in 2-3
months. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Msg #15916 Dated 15:32:18 08-25-91 15904 <--> 15926
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Tabman tables aside, the comments here at the Hotel DeCarlo are all
favorable on Mike Ammar's new _Classic Renditions_ video series. I
have yet to find time for digging the new T.A. Waters video
but Rudy tells me it's excellent. With so much going on right now
it comes down to no free hours to enjoy video right now.
Msg #15917 Dated 15:32:26 08-25-91 15908 <--> 15928
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: ENIGMA
What is Enigma?
Msg #15919 Dated 15:32:43 08-25-91 15911 <--> 15931
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
What if you had two plates of glass and fired through the first
breaking the second? I like the idea of the impervious transluscence.
Fire through the glass plate and then turn it to show it unbroken.
One of my fascinations with bullet catching has to do with having
a dinner plate broken just before the bullet it caught. I would
hold the plate between my hands stretched out in front of my face.
Would be wearing WWI flight goggles and a leather flight helmet.
Gun would be a percussion cap ala Hoffmann shooting a 50 cal ball.
First I would have the shooter (someone I pay really well, hah)
fire at a plate held in one hand and have it shatter. Then the bullet
catch with the plate shattering in front of my face and falling to th
ground with a blood cap in my mouth. Bang. Have you thought of catchi
ng arrows? Har, I know you have.
Msg #15920 Dated 15:33:25 08-25-91
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUSERVE
Hey Pete! How do you get on the Compuserve Magic Forum anyhow? Just
spent 20 min looking for it. Is it readily accessible? Do we have to
type "open-sesame"?
Msg #15921 Dated 17:01:41 08-25-91 15894 <--> 15979
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CRAZY FLITE
Old line... A bargain dog never bites... so buy cheap dogs...
I nearly fell asleep driving this morning. Was going by a farm and
started counting the sheep!
Msg #15922 Dated 17:01:48 08-25-91 15897 <--> 15923
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: WANTED!!
Mentzer has ads in alla magazines.
Msg #15923 Dated 17:01:52 08-25-91 15898 <--> 15933
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WANTED!!
Hey... I 'l try to get Mr. Walker online... but he don't got no
idea how to use the electric machine he gots... argh
Msg #15925 Dated 17:02:04 08-25-91 15900 <--> 15927
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
My final attempt in the chemistry field was to make my own carbon
paper. Hah... when it is so cheap and easy to buy... Some of the
clothes I had on that day, (42 years ago) are still stained!
.
Just thought... Bill Wells, who is here online, but away until
Monday on vacation, is a chemist expert and magishun as well. See
what he knows...
.
Good luck. Oh, I also tried to make some kind of mix that would
burn with a green flame. Stuffed it into an envelope that was
supposed to have a borrowed bill inside... bit/line came from an
Eric Lewis lecture... "looks like it is burning with a green flame".
Msg #15926 Dated 17:02:20 08-25-91 15904 <--> 15935
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Neuro Muscle whatever is a thing golfers have known/used for a
loooooooooooong time... it is also a feeling that Fred Kaps had.
It seems to be the ability of your muscles to do the same thing
over and over agin.
Msg #15927 Dated 17:02:28 08-25-91 15906 <--> 15939
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOG MITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I have a fire bowl that you put water in one place and a little
piece of SOMETHING in another. When the bowl is leveled out the
little piece drops into the water and VOILA... fire.
Msg #15928 Dated 17:02:34 08-25-91 15908 <--> 15930
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: ENIGMA
What is the effect? The name don't ring no bell...
Msg #15930 Dated 17:02:45 08-25-91 15917 <--> 15940
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ENIGMA
Enigma is also the stage name for Dutch magician and all around
looney... Bob Driebeek.
Msg #15931 Dated 17:02:51 08-25-91 15919 <--> 15936
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
OK, this is a true story. Honest. I wuz assisting Arthur Bull,
"FRANCISCO" and doing the bullet thru the assistant. The set up
was this: Picture a card table with no top surface, four legs and
side panels about 6-inches deep. Side was hinged so you could enter
and stand within the framework.
Front and rear had frames holding sheets of glass. A few feet back
was a frame with a target.
OK, Biro gets inside framework, glass in front, glass behind. All
the usual craparama... goggles, etc.
Arthur goes into audience, gets a bullet marked, loads gun...
lines up to shoot bullet thru glass, Biro, glass and into target.
Bang! Bullet fired, leaves gun.... hits and shatters the front
glass.... (pause) about three full seconds... and rear glass
breaks... You see the coat I was wearing got caught in the gaffus
that makes the hammers swing over and break the pieces of glass.
Both are supposed to break simultaneously, right... I mean what is
faster than a speeding bullet?
.
The killer to the bit was as this happened, I look into front row
of audience and Carl Ballantine has laffed so hard he has fallen
out of his seat and is rolling on the floor. This now breaks me up
to point I nearly bit off my lower lip to keep from laughing....
.
Showbiz can be fun............
Msg #15933 Dated 17:26:01 08-25-91 15923 <--> 15952
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WANTED!!
He told me that he didn't wanna know either. Preferred his old
Remington electric portable typewriter.
Msg #15935 Dated 17:26:11 08-25-91 15926 <--> 15961
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Golffers call it muscle memory. I calls it practice with intent.
Msg #15936 Dated 17:26:15 08-25-91 15931 <--> 15954
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Thaaaats really funny. What's faster than a speeding bullet? Maybe
a Biro is deeper than it looks at first impression.. A good laff.
Thanks. Having Ballantine rolling around on the floor, you mustof
been cracking up. Any chance there is a video?
Msg #15939 Dated 18:48:33 08-25-91 15927 <--> 15944
From: DOUG SMITH
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Thanks for the information.
Msg #15940 Dated 19:47:34 08-25-91 15930 <--> 15955
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ENIGMA
He spells it Aenigma.
Msg #15941 Dated 20:21:31 08-25-91 -> 15956
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC WHITE OUT
I've been spending some time each evening reading and being
inspired by _Keep The Wheels Turning_, the Carl Owen Book which I
finally got up the cash to buy. Most of the Thayer and Owen
illusion plans drawn by Carl Owen are included in this book,
which because of my interests is one of the best book buys ever.
A bargain at $120. As I've been reading and looking at the shop
drawings something started giving me that deja vu feeling. In
addition to my computer I keep several books on my desk; Instant
Information, Thayer Quality Magic #3,5,6,8, the 1939 P&L catalog,
20th Century Magic, The Expert at the Card Table, Illustrated
Magic, Modern Magic, More Magic, DOS 3.3, Practical
Blacksmithing, Plato's Republic, and BYRON WELS, _The Great
Illusions of Magic_.
.
Well this deja vu thing started getting me and I reached for the
Wels' Illusion Book and started comparing the shop drawings in
the book. Seeesh, Wl took all the Thayer/Owen work and used
about a bath tub full of white out to take all the Thayer
references from each set of plans and published them, shooting
the plates from the original Thayer stuff I'd bet. In his
introduction he talks about all the painstaking work he did
assembling the plans and how they were just crude shop drawings
before he got hold of them, etc, etc, etc.
.
Now I don't know Byron Wells so I can't say, and maybe he did
rescue some lost set of work. Maybe Carl Owen and Floyd Thayer
copied the poor slob that drew the stuff in the Wels book. Nah, I
don't think so.
.
I don't want Byron Wels' book around here anymore. I wonder if
Tannen's will give me my money back.
.
.
.
Msg #15944 Dated 20:36:03 08-25-91 15906 <--> 15945
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Which brings up the realm of fire walking - something I have always
wondered about - you know the real work behind it?
Msg #15945 Dated 20:36:53 08-25-91 15927 <--> 15950
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Sodium will make a nifty burn when put in water...
Msg #15948 Dated 20:58:36 08-25-91 15913 <--> 16023
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: APPEARANCES
No-one had posted the info about the Magic Week - Spet. 24-28 at the
Comedy & Magic Club in Hermosa Beach. No-one else had mentioned that
it included The Pendragons, Paul Kozak and Scott Cervine. Thank You.
Msg #15950 Dated 21:09:45 08-25-91 15874 <--> 15957
From: GARY PLANTS
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I am not familiar with a "water soluble" fog fluid, but you
should be aware that heating ammonium chloride will produce an
abundant amount of "smoke" or "fog". Is this water soluble fog
fluid something that you have seen before?
For a great chemical effect, I find the "Think Ink" very difficult
to top.
Titanium Tetrachloride will also produce smoke, but should only
be used outdoors. Not recommended.
Msg #15951 Dated 21:09:58 08-25-91 15895 <-
From: GARY PLANTS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOX O STUFF
We'll talk about it. Hmmmmmmmm.
Msg #15952 Dated 21:10:04 08-25-91 15897 <-
From: GARY PLANTS
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: WANTED!!
I would like to but seeing that the material is copyrighted and in
a book that is available, I don't think that we should do that.
Trust me that the book is worth the $10 to $15 asking price. I see
where someone has posted Mentzers address for you. If you have
problems finding the book let me know and I will track down a copy
of the book for you.
Msg #15954 Dated 21:48:21 08-25-91 15936 <--> 15975
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
This was before TV... maybe there was a Leroy Nieman doing lightning
sketches... but don't know...
Msg #15955 Dated 21:48:26 08-25-91 15940 <--> 15974
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ENIGMA
Where ya been Max? Missed you ...
Msg #15956 Dated 21:48:31 08-25-91 15941 <--> 15999
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC WHITE OUT
Whaddidya spect from New Yawk.... harumph to the macks...
Msg #15957 Dated 21:48:35 08-25-91 15944 <--> 15958
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
When you go to see the Lance Burton show you will see a fellow
play a tune on burning candles! Hah... what a great bit....
Msg #15958 Dated 21:48:41 08-25-91 15950 <--> 15963
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Many shows in Vegas use fog... Siegfried and Roy a ton... and
some others much much... and I hate the stuff... Sorry... Oh,
the new show at the Stardust uses too much... also the new show
which I hear cost 17 or 27 Million (YARK) is **IN MY OPINION ABOUT
A 3 ON SCALE OF 10, WITH S&R AT 15, SPLASH AT 7 LANCE AT 9.5**
.
Of course I think the Berosini Chimps are a terrible excuse for an
act... the crude, rude GIVE THE THE FINGER MONKEYS.... are crap!
They are so skilled why he stoops the innuendo and cheap laffs is
beyond me.....
Msg #15960 Dated 22:26:13 08-25-91 -> 16003
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: ALL
Re: ENIGMA
In "Enigma", the performer can borrow a drinking glass and a dollar
bill. The crumpled bill is placed on the glass and the dollar bill
visably penetrates up through the glass. You can have a spectator place
their hand palm up while the glass is placed mouth-down. With another
slight slap the bill penetrates down through the glass into the
spectator's hand. This also can be performed with a corked bottle or a
sealed jar. This bit of information was taken from Genii.
Msg #15961 Dated 22:37:17 08-25-91 15916 <--> 15962
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
I have the same problem here at Techy Heaven. I got the Classic
Renditions tapes over a week ago and this was the first chance I had to
sit down and really see it.
Msg #15962 Dated 22:38:42 08-25-91 15926 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLASSIC RENDITIONS
Actually it is the idea of PROGRAMMING your "muscles," (really, the
PSYCHO-MOTOR part of your brain) to do the same thing over and over
again. In these tapes, Michael has teamed it with another strong
technique - "Super Learning" - to help you get the moves down CORRECTLY
in the least amount of time. It is a brilliant concept applied to
magic training.
Msg #15963 Dated 22:44:41 08-25-91 15957 <--> 15972
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Is this the guy who holds his hands over different length candles and
shrieks in different tones?
Msg #15967 Dated 23:08:35 08-25-91 -> 16000
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
G'mornin', Tabb.
I ran into BECKY BLANEY on Sunday afternoon and she sends her regards.
She was delighted to hear of the new Krayborg South and said that she
would try to book a gig in N'ville just so that she could visit.
Msg #15969 Dated 23:10:39 08-25-91 -> 15982
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MARTIN NASH
Attended Martin Nash's lecture at the Castle today. Very good! He
started out by talking about the importance of PERFORMANCE over TRICKS
and what he had to say dovetailed with the conversations on here so
well that for a few seconds I thought he was doing a reading of MAGIC!
messages.
He demo'ed some of his great card work and then walked us through most
of the major stuff. It's kinda funny, sometimes when you see the
"works" you feel a bit letdown - but not with his stuff! His routines
are really beautiful and pretty staggering in concept and design. He
makes it a point of starting with a clean, unprepared deck, right out
of the package, but, as he pointed out, since a brand new deck is
always in sequence, it _IS_ stocked -- by the factory! He says that he
doesn't use any really fancy sleights (except for his excellent
seconds, which he uses only in a portion of his acts and which he did
not get into in this lecture). He says that while magicians enjoy
watching sleights, the day-to-day performance in front of laypersons
requires simpler moves. Uh, huh, yeah, some of what he does is indeed
mechanically "simple," but it ain't so simple!
He did complain about the loss of quality in Bicycle decks and he said
that he had bought up a supply of Racer Back decks. He said that
U.S.P.C. doesn't appreciate the size of the magician market - that he
goes through about 750 to 1,000 decks in the average year and that he
estimated the use by magicians at about TEN MILLION decks per year. I
told him about the MAGIC! conversations with U.S.P.C. and he and others
suggested that the info _be_ _published_ _in_ _GENII_ and that magi be
strongly encouraged to write to U.S.P.C.'s marketing department
suggesting that they produce a MAGICIAN'S QUALITY BICYCLE DECK (for
those of you who have recently joined MAGIC!, we investigated the
quality of Bicycle cards and had several long discussions with the
manager of quality control. He said that he would be willing to
produce CASINO QUALITY decks if marketing would agree).
Martin had a new way to raise the price of lecture notes - he sold
THREE different routines of his at $10 each or all three for $25.
Looks like lecture notes are going to go sky high in the future as
gimmicks like this become more popular. On the other hand, each of his
routines could provide a CAREER for a working mage and they were
carefully put together by Stephen Minch, so if you are going to use
them, they are far more than worth the cost. And he encouraged their
use VERBATIM - patter and all! He said he'd spent 30-years honing
them, why shouldn't someone get the benifit of that?
A very worthwhile afternoon!
Msg #15970 Dated 23:26:57 08-25-91 -> 15971
From: GEORGE L WILLIAMS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: P&T ON LETTERMAN
P&T BBS number is 212-764-3834. I connected but didn't get far. Maybe
it's under construction? It's 1200 baud. Hit enter twice and type
password "MOFO". Penn is on a voice line too where he reveals your
spectator's card to be the three of clubs,after asking him to key
various numbers into the phone.
Msg #15971 Dated 23:35:11 08-25-91 15970 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GEORGE L WILLIAMS (X)
Re: P&T ON LETTERMAN
The P&T BBS is not under construction, so far as I know. It has been
there for several years. It is, I think, intended only as a demo/PR
system for their followers. Nothing wrong with that, but that is what
it is.
Msg #15972 Dated 23:36:35 08-25-91 15900 <--> 15976
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Doug -
When you do compile your chemical results, why not publish the results
here on MAGIC!? I think everyone would find it most interesting!
Msg #15974 Dated 23:53:04 08-25-91 15908 <--> 15990
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: ENIGMA
Wayne,
Enigma is the brainchild of Nicholas Night of Long Beach, Ca., a
nice young man who looks a lot like James Brandon.
For those of us that haven't seen it yet, the presentation is:
You simply borrow a glass and a dollar bill. The crumpled bill is
placed under the glass and WHACK! the bill penetrates up through
the bottom of the glass! Have a spectator place their hand palm
up while the glass is placed mouth down. With another light slap,
the bill visibly penetrates down through the glass into the
spectator's hand. There are several variations, but you get the
idea. Max Maven gave it a good review a few months back in Genii.
This comes with a 14 page booklet explaining the use of the
gimmick (how else?) and several ideas and routines. Although the
$20.00 price seems a bit steep for something that can be put in
the same class as the thumb tip, dye tube, etc., the price is
fair. I'm in the process of modifying mine and it cost me over
$16.00 just for the necessary pieces.
With a little practice to make the moves "natural", again similar
to wearing a thumbtip without worry, you have a nice standup
routine suitable for table performers. For what it's worth, I
recommend it, but who am I to say what works for you? Try it out.
By the way, welcome aBOARD. Allow me to introduce myself. I don't
talk much, but I usually read everything daily, so if you need
anything, give me a call.
I'm David (not to be confused with our illustrious SYSOP or that
TV guy, I'm THE OTHER ONE!)
Msg #15975 Dated 0:03:12 08-26-91 15919 <--> 15992
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Sounds like it should work. Leave yourself plenty of room for the
arrow (six inches diameter wouldn't be unreasonable) as it takes
a LOT of practice to hit consistently at even a moderate distance
even with some pretty elaborate gear. I've shot in an archery
league for several years and still get caught off guard when what
should be a good shot veers off the mark. Trying it without the
ribbon to assure better accuracy and using Tabby's suggestion of
two plates sounds like a workable solution.
Oh yeah, I've seen someone that catches arrows. He uses Flu-Flu
arrows and a pretty weak bow so the arrow is moving quite slow by
the time it reaches him. It's still impressive though. I think he
was on "That's Incredible" a few years back.
Let me know how it turns out.
David (the other one)
Msg #15976 Dated 0:54:38 08-26-91 15883 <--> 15981
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
SH Sharpe has some great books on the use of mirrors, hydraulics,
and other stuff that smacks of science. But if I'm not mistaken,
isn't almost all of magic based on science (physics, chemistry,
optics, mathematics, psychology)?
Msg #15977 Dated 0:54:47 08-26-91 15886 <--> 15987
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Well, maybe, but that term kind of implies that they don't know any
better, being ignorant and all. I don't happen to think that
politicians are ignorant in the "having knowledge" sense of the word,
I think they're ignorant in the obnoxious sense of the word.
Msg #15978 Dated 0:54:54 08-26-91 15915 <--> 16009
From: LYNN HEALY
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Re the Roth book: keep your fingers crossed but don't hold your
breath! Kaufman moved from Manhattan to Washington DC a week ago --
he's probably a bit busy these days!
Msg #15979 Dated 0:55:01 08-26-91 15921 <-
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRAZY FLITE
GROOAAANN!!
Msg #15981 Dated 0:55:15 08-26-91 15963 <--> 15986
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
THIS sounds interesting...
.
(The guy holding his hands over candles of various heights.)
Msg #15982 Dated 0:55:22 08-26-91 15969 <--> 15989
From: LYNN HEALY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MARTIN NASH
I remember liking his Jacks or Better routine -- is he still doing
that?
.
He really does speak from experience. I remember in the 70s when he
would drive all across Canada with his special table (the special
part was a large mirror above his head at a 45 degree angle -- much
like you would see at a cooking demonstration) doing shows in
shopping malls. He wouldn't be in a town more than a day or two
before he was off to the next one!
.
And he really used a fresh deck every show -- unsealed it in front of
the crowd as he introduced himself.
Msg #15985 Dated 1:06:49 08-26-91 -> 16011
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: MAGIC'S CHILD
This is a reply to your message #15976 to Doug Smith in which you wrote
"isn't almost all of magic based on science (physics, chemistry,
optics, mathematics, psychology)?"
Er, Lynn, I know you know better! ALL of science is based on magic.
Even the evolution of the "principles of science" came from magic.
Msg #15986 Dated 1:10:31 08-26-91 15981 <--> 15993
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
We'll have to see if the bit that Biro is saying is in Lance's new show
is the same, but I know there is a guy who "plays candles" by holding
his hands over the flames and outching and oootching.
Msg #15987 Dated 1:12:39 08-26-91 15977 <--> 16277
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Actually, my use of "troglodytes" was a reference to a particular
politician whom you may recall - Spiro Agnew. He popularized the term
while the administration was attempting to show that he was a "genius"
(they also revealed that his I.Q. was something like 138, which is
actually barely into the "genius" classification). Actually, since I
wasn't quite sure what T A's comment really meant, I threw troglodytes
in to give him some fodder - fodder that he apparently rejected.
In truth, I have had a reasonable amount of experience with politicians
and many, likely even most, are hard working, honest, etc. Also, in
most cases, their staffs do an excellent job of background research.
If you doubt it, appear before a Congressional Committee sometime to
testify on behalf of (or against) some legislation. You will find that
the Committee members will generally ask tough, penentrating questions.
We do, however, also elect some amazing creatures and, unfortunately,
a fair number do lose touch with their constituencies and, after a
while, begin to assume that the voters are too dumb to make the right
choices. Frankly, there was a time in my political activity when I
made that same misjudgement, but that particular story doesn't belong
here.
Msg #15989 Dated 1:26:06 08-26-91 15982 <--> 16006
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: MARTIN NASH
Yes, Martin Nash still does the Jacks or Better routine. As a matter
of fact, it was one of the routines for which notes were available.
And yes, he does speak from experience. I'm going to be paraphrasing,
but basically he said - the cards have been good to me, I've earned a
rather nice living with them for over 30 years. And I've seen him open
a fresh deck for each show - although there are some interesting things
that can be done that way! But he can also do the same things with
someone else's deck.
Msg #15990 Dated 1:36:29 08-26-91 15930 <--> 16007
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ENIGMA
Close but no cigar; Driebeek's name was Aenigma.
Msg #15992 Dated 1:39:05 08-26-91 15975 <--> 16008
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
It's fairly easy to catch arrows; catching them with your HAND -- well,
that's a problem...
Msg #15993 Dated 3:50:33 08-26-91 15944 <--> 15994
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Fire walking is based on the principal you may have seen where your
mother tested the iron to see if it was hot by wetting her finger and
touching the hot iron. I have not tried the fire walking but according
to Jearl Walker you need to be scared enough to have your feet
sweaty(wet), avoid touching the hot coals twice with the same part of
the foot, having the coals covered with a grey ash, and don't curl your
toes so you trap hot coals with them. he has a video out where he
explains and shows. It is because the vaporbarrier will temporaily
slow the heat transfer....This is the same as with putting your hand in
a contianer of molted lead. In this case the lead must b e so hot
that the lead does not turn toa solid around your finger and cook it.
Msg #15994 Dated 3:57:27 08-26-91 15945 <--> 15995
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Sodium and especially potassium reacts violently. A pound size makes
a dandy explosion. I demonstrate it on an overhead projector in a
beaker of water with a thin piece smaller than the top of a pencil
erasor.Cesium will actually break the beaker with a piece
the same size.
Msg #15995 Dated 4:00:36 08-26-91 15950 <--> 15996
From: DOUG SMITH
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I have seen it. It is sold by "Theatre Effects" with use in fog
machine. They even have it in special odors. The sample I have is
pina colada. Ammonium chloride when heated produces ammonia and
hydrochloric acid. Neither one is good for your lungs.
Msg #15996 Dated 4:03:35 08-26-91 15972 <--> 16004
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Sounds promising. The list may be short as presently I have about
fourty items i could discuss with teachers that thye may have use for
in the classroom. For instance it is as simple as being able to0
determine if dice are loaded by dropping them into a glass of water to
a mind reading by Finn Jon where i would not explain how he does it.
Finn Jon's is basically handing out an envelope with many dollar bills
in it. Having a spectator remove some and putting them into another
envlope without counting.
the first envelope is returned. he then tells the group how many bills
were removed. They count and he is correct. It is not based on serial
numbers or marked bills, a stooge, slight of hand, or usual ideas. Can
you figure it out?
Msg #15998 Dated 6:01:48 08-26-91
From: CHARLIE RNDALL
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GIANT PENNY
Thanks for the info.
Charlie
Msg #15999 Dated 6:16:00 08-26-91 15956 <--> 16015
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC WHITE OUT
I don't know. I didn't expect nuthin, but when I saw all that stuff
whited out I almost built a fire and burned that book. I'm still
pretty disgusted about it today.
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