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Msg #16000 Dated 6:16:06 08-26-91 15967 <--> 16005
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Coincidentally, the comedy club worth working in nashville is called
Zanies.
Msg #16003 Dated 8:47:20 08-26-91 15960 <--> 16054
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: ENIGMA
Do you mean "An ADVERTISEMENT in Genii" or an article?
Msg #16004 Dated 8:47:25 08-26-91 15963 <--> 16013
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
You will have to go and see fo' yo' se'f.
Msg #16005 Dated 8:47:30 08-26-91 15967 <--> 16016
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Got a looooooooooooong (what else, he's LOOOOOONG) and nice letter
from the Father of Becky... too long to load here, but all is good.
Msg #16006 Dated 8:47:36 08-26-91 15969 <--> 16010
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MARTIN NASH
Sounds good to me... Nash is a full, hard working pro and has a lot
to offer... but he's right about the difference in what kind of
material (sleight vs. non-sleight) for laymen.
.
The PERFECT example, TO ME, is the Don Alan approach. He is a
master at doing ONE CARD TRICK between 2 non-card, so the deck can
be either set, gaffed, or whatever...
.
I have watched some of the best at the close up table for laymen
and nearly all can be caught holding breaks, doing cuts that do not
appear normal to card players, etc. etc. -- So the simple approach
in COMMERCIAL applications is the best. Example: I have just worked
out a handling, using a short stack of dupes in a clump (sort of
a mini Tarbell Force Deck) to do Mike Close's FROG PRINCE without
the difficult, FORCE CONTROL. The Force Control, in Mike's hands
-- remember he works tables 6 nights a week -- is excellent, but
in the hands of the Biro, who does this stuff maybe once a month
for customers... it is too hard to do PROPERLY... So, I take the
Don Alan approach!
Msg #16007 Dated 8:47:57 08-26-91 15974 <--> 16012
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ENIGMA
Enigma sounds pretty wild. Nic is part of the Long Beach crowd that
is miles ahead in creativity (Caveney, Smith, Alan, Kevin James)
and it sounds like a strong effect.
.
Reminds me of a similar effect years ago where a BALL resting on
the "mouth down" glass was tapped and penetrated through... It was
a Parlour effect, as you could not hand the glass to anyone....
It was a bottomless glass with a pair of catgut threads across the
opening -- the ball would rest on the threads and when you slapped
it... the ball would go thru... There were several variant moves.
Msg #16008 Dated 8:48:10 08-26-91 15975 <--> 16018
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Isn't Mike going to use a CROSS BOW? I understand the accuracy with
a Cross Bow is tighter even than a rifle?
Msg #16009 Dated 8:48:16 08-26-91 15978 <--> 16025
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
God Kaufman isn't going into politics is he?????????????? ARgh....
Msg #16010 Dated 8:48:20 08-26-91 15982 <--> 16030
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: MARTIN NASH
Yah... Darwin Ortiz, doing his gaming dem, opens a fresh deck for
each presentation.... 'CAUSE IT IS IN A KNOWN ORDER ALREADY' --
Clever these fellows...
Msg #16011 Dated 8:48:26 08-26-91 15985 <--> 16031
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC'S CHILD
The Chicken or the Egg? Which is magic?
Msg #16012 Dated 8:48:32 08-26-91 15990 <--> 16083
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ENIGMA
Close enuf when you have never seen it in writing, only heard it
pronounced with a Dutch accent....
.
Howza library doin?
Msg #16013 Dated 8:48:39 08-26-91 15993 <--> 16014
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Sounds like a guy can play a tune by screaming as he hops across
a burning stage....
Msg #16014 Dated 8:48:44 08-26-91 15996 <--> 16021
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I know Finn's method... proving once again what a brilliant mind
he has. One time he did it with a package of nails! Nobody thinks
as abstractly as Finn (real name Hauger) does. He will be coming
to the next Vegas Desert Seminar.
Msg #16015 Dated 8:48:52 08-26-91 15999 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC WHITE OUT
I used to hate it when the white out was so thick it cast shadows.
Msg #16016 Dated 8:48:56 08-26-91 16000 <--> 16017
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Get the word to Becky Blaney and she can work down there and help
you file your tomes. There's no place like tome... I am going to
go look at my Keep the Wheels Turning and check out the el sketchos.
OHHHHHHHHHHHh I just re looked at your message... Zanies... I get it
hahahahahahaha hohhnohohohohohoh hareuohdfghd8ugklsghhh
Msg #16017 Dated 9:11:54 08-26-91 16016 <--> 16028
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Becky Blaney has worked Zanies several times and she knows the
territory over there. Will be glad to get the books out of here as
the dampness is really bad in springhill swamp. Library at nuevo
deCarlo is better. Higher off the ground and more built in shelf
space. Guy who is selling place is head of country music foundation
which archives a lot of stuff like rare recordings, letters. Cool
stuff for a country music head. Me, I've got the old key and mail
rack from the hall of fame motel. Will install at Nuevo DeCarlo.
Msg #16018 Dated 9:51:14 08-26-91 16008 <--> 16019
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Not the ones I've seen. A steady hand and a good eye is still
necessary. The accuracy is as good as a good bow but with a flatter
trajectory allowing less distance estimation error during hunting.
David (the other one)
Msg #16019 Dated 9:52:57 08-26-91 15992 <--> 16036
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Good one, T A! For the record though, that's exactly what he did.
By the time the arrow reached him, he "slapped" it out of the air
and snagged it by the feathers. It was more of a reflex action
rather than watching. If you're familiar with Skeet shooting,
it's like station seven where you are facing the oncoming target
at half the normal distance. I've seen some people even walk half
again closer and still break the target barely as it exits the
trap. Sort of like some card moves, if you take time to watch
what you're doing, it's too late, you're caught!
By the way, does anybody have any good Skeet recipes? Every time
I fix them they seem to come out DRY!
David (the other one)
Msg #16020 Dated 10:23:04 08-26-91 -> 16037
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: OWEN BROS CATS
Any chance of finding Owen (not supreme) Catalogues down there in the
H&R Archives?? Got P&L, thanks.
Msg #16021 Dated 10:40:21 08-26-91 15993 <--> 16022
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Thanks for the info. Personally, I think I will skip the fire walking
and molten lead bits.
Msg #16022 Dated 10:43:51 08-26-91 15994 <--> 16024
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I think there is a dandy little bit in one or more of the solar
electric generators where liquid sodium is pumped thru a heat exchanger
to heat water for a generator. The pipes inside the head exchanger are
inspected VERY carefully. Haven't gotten my hands on any cesium
lately.
Msg #16023 Dated 10:46:27 08-26-91 15948 <--> 16032
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: APPEARANCES
Also, Jade will be there Oct 1-6. (Comedy & Magic Club in Hermosa
Beach, that is)
Msg #16024 Dated 10:46:32 08-26-91 15996 <--> 16026
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Hmmm... The Finn Jon routine is interesting. At first glance, no, I
haven't a clue as to his method.
Will look forward to seeing the science magic info.
Msg #16025 Dated 10:47:23 08-26-91 15978 <--> 16163
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yeah, I guess that would sidetrack things a bit, wouldn't it! Thanks
for the info.
Msg #16026 Dated 10:47:45 08-26-91 16004 <--> 16027
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Am seriously thinking about a trip to Vegas to see Lance. It is very
tempting. Just don't know quite when yet.
Msg #16027 Dated 10:48:55 08-26-91 16013 <--> 16038
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Yeah! I guess playing a tune by screaming as you hop across a burning
stage is like a pipe organ, whereas doing the candle bit is more like
a xylophone. But, in either case, you should pick music with very few
whole notes.
Msg #16028 Dated 10:51:37 08-26-91 16000 <--> 16029
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
You might want to make sure Zanies knows about Becky - she really did
say she wants to figure a way to visit. She did tell me about a pick
up week she had recently - did four VERY DIFFERENT shows for four VERY
DIFFERENT audiences, one of which was, I think, a women's club with all
the women bringing their teen-age daughters.
Msg #16029 Dated 10:53:57 08-26-91 16005 <--> 16033
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Yeah - looong - Zaney, like Dave Williamson, would defeat even T A's
rack. Each of 'em might be in for a bad time on a Procrustean Bed, but
on a rack you'd need an extension cord.
Msg #16030 Dated 10:58:38 08-26-91 16006 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARTIN NASH
I guess that in a way, magic is like piano - I'm sure that the working
folks do fancy stuff at home (Nash says he practices about 6 hours a
day) to keep the fingers in shape, etc. But out in the trenches, you
go with reliable stuff that works.
Also, what someone like Nash does is a lot like the Neuro-Muscular
Programming we were discussing. In performance, at full speed, he can
do the stuff in his sleep and it works every time (he said that in 15
years he's blown the close to Jacks or Better about 4 times - I would
guess that is probably about .0 something percent). But at one point,
when he was trying to slow a move down to show it, the entire deck
splattered out of his hands!
Msg #16031 Dated 11:03:44 08-26-91 16011 <--> 16280
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC'S CHILD
Wells can tell you which came first - the chicken or the egg. But I
think that in the magic/science arena it is pretty clear that magic
came first.
Does remind me of a joke though. I'll just do the key lines, you can
fill the patter....
A doctor, an engineer and a lawyer were talking. The doctor said it
was clear that his was the oldest profession, citing the Biblical lines
about Eve being made from Adam's rib - clearly a surgical proceedure.
The engineer said she disagreed - after all, before that, the Bible
describes bringing order out of chaos - clearly engineering.
The lawyer said, "Ah, but who make the chaos?"
Msg #16032 Dated 11:08:30 08-26-91 16023 <--> 16039
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: APPEARANCES
Thanks for the info on Jade appearing at the Comedy & Magic Clum in
Hermosa Beach, October 1 - 6.
An interesting (to me) sidelight last night. My 2-year, almost 3-year,
old son has seen videos of both Becky Blaney and Jade. He saw 'em back
about a month ago. I said I saw Becky at the Castle yesterday and he
said, "The lady with the papers in her hair?" I said, "No, that's
Jade." He said, "Oh! Yeah! Jade, the lady with the water in the bowl." I
hope that someday he can remember school stuff as well as he can
remember magic acts!
Msg #16033 Dated 11:15:11 08-26-91 16028 <--> 16035
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Becky has worked Zanies in the past. Far as I know, all she has to
do to get another gig there is pick up the phone. She has visited
the Hotel DeCarlo a couple of times too.
Msg #16035 Dated 11:47:32 08-26-91 16017 <--> 16043
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
I envy that Key Rack.... wowzooo... sounds like the poifect spot.
Mebbe I will move in if the left coast falls into the sea....
Msg #16036 Dated 11:47:39 08-26-91 16019 <--> 16049
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Skeet need Lamb Basting! (Ok, a groaner, but what the hey.... I don't
see how you guys miss now that I found out you don't use bullets.
Msg #16037 Dated 11:47:45 08-26-91 16020 <--> 16044
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OWEN BROS CATS
I didn't know the Owen Bros had CATS.... I will jiggle by walker
Msg #16038 Dated 11:47:50 08-26-91 16021 <--> 16041
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
You hit it... it is safer to skip over hot coals than walk.
Msg #16039 Dated 11:47:56 08-26-91 16023 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: APPEARANCES
You beat me to it... Jade told me yesterday she would do a week in
Hermosa preceeded by a week at the Castle...
Msg #16041 Dated 11:48:09 08-26-91 16026 <--> 16045
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Tabby and I will be there Oct. 9 to see Lancelot... get it...?
Msg #16043 Dated 12:22:32 08-26-91 16035 <--> 16056
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Plan is to build a couple of nice two bedroom cottages on the place
so we have room for long visits. Nuevo DeCarlo is not nearly as big
as Hotel DeCarlo. Maybe I'll leave the key rack to you in my will
since you will probably outlive us all.
Msg #16044 Dated 12:22:39 08-26-91 16037 <--> 16057
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OWEN BROS CATS
Yes, the Owen Bros put out several lists and then CATSalogues.
Msg #16045 Dated 12:22:44 08-26-91 16041 <--> 16069
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Get it...? Maybe Mike King too.
Msg #16048 Dated 13:59:11 08-26-91 15817 <--> 16073
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
I was gone when it happened, but I guess his job was not the only thing
open.
Msg #16049 Dated 14:00:32 08-26-91 15919 <--> 16050
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Sounds cool. Yes I have thought of catching arrows. But can}t seem to
find any info about it. I understand it is a martial arts things. But
doing research haven}t found anything.
Msg #16050 Dated 14:03:08 08-26-91 15975 <--> 16052
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Thanks Mr. Other. I love getting great advise from people I don}t
even know. You ideas on both the shooting thru glass and catching
arrows are greatly appreciated. If you have any other TRICK SHOT stuff
please feel free to let me know. I have much trouble finding out about
such things. Thanks again. MIKE.
Msg #16052 Dated 14:54:53 08-26-91 16049 <--> 16058
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
The only way I can see to really get any impact out of it is to
stand full faced into the bow and catch the arrow with both hands
just before it nails your head to a post. I'm sure there would be a
way to gimmik it. The prospects for a screw up send chills down my
shorthairs but I am interested in looking deeper into it. I've been
looking at crossbows in the hunting supply catalog. You don't happen
to have the phone number for Dixie Gun Works down in west Tennessee,
do you? I had their phone book sized catalog, but have misplaced it.
Msg #16053 Dated 14:55:03 08-26-91 -> 16060
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MERRY OLE KOLE
Ee;16047
The fax sez that Andre Kole is gonna be there October 16. I'm open
on the return. Things are so day by day right now I'm just gonna let
October take care of itself. I see where we have to be in Salt Lake
City in arly December which should be my first trip out of the nuevo
deCarlo. Oh, I forget. Close Encounters in Rochester is in November
and I'd hate to miss it. That's four a year and plenty. MCCM, DMS,
FFFF,CEMK. Oh wait, it's five. Add the big one IBM. Six if you start
doing something out of Oakland or Walnut Creek or ???
Msg #16054 Dated 15:05:54 08-26-91 16003 <-
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ENIGMA
Pete, it was advertised in the July issue of Genii.
Msg #16055 Dated 15:12:39 08-26-91 -> 16061
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: ALL
Re: ELMSLEY
I know that most of the users on this system are far more advanced in
the field of magic than myself, but I have a question that might seem
elementary for some people. The Elmsley Count, as described in "Counts
Cuts, Moves, and Subtlety" is done in the fingertips. Currently, I am
working on a card effect that I got out of "The Commercial Magic of
J.C. Wagner. The effect calls for obtaining a cut after the second card
during the Elmsley Count. Can anyone tell me how this can be done,
especially with the "CCMS" method?
Any help would be greatly appreciated...
Msg #16056 Dated 16:29:46 08-26-91 16043 <--> 16062
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
The way I is feelin lately I don't think I'll make it thru another
warm California winter...
Msg #16057 Dated 16:29:51 08-26-91 16044 <--> 16063
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OWEN BROS CATS
Well I'll be a Catsass... Have you seen the Catsalogues that have
been published? Also the parodies of some women's magazines with
all cats? Funny stuff
Msg #16058 Dated 16:29:57 08-26-91 16050 <--> 16059
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Have you seen the Morretti tape from Stevens with the Crossbow
stuff? Have you seen Morretti's son, Hans Pantar in Las Vegas do
the crossbow act? Hmmmm.... got to see everything to study it...
Msg #16059 Dated 16:30:04 08-26-91 16052 <--> 16064
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
There is a sure way to gaff the crossbow catch... a simple version
is done by John Carney in his comedy stage act. I used to have
some kind of a trick where with a bow and arrow you shot the arrow,
which actually never left the bow (it went into the bow somehow)
and a dupe appeared at target. Also did a knife throwing gag
where you toss the knife backwards and arm coming forward looks
like a toss when knife shows up in target.
Old stuff.
Msg #16060 Dated 16:30:15 08-26-91 16053 <--> 16065
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MERRY OLE KOLE
Beats hibernating... and a place to show and sell tab-les...
Msg #16061 Dated 16:30:20 08-26-91 16055 <--> 16072
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: ELMSLEY
"Obtaining a cut" don't you mean obtaining a BREAK? Check it out.
Also... for what it is worth the REAL ELMSLEY COUNT, See his newly
published book, or find the old original 4 Card Trick manuscript,
DOES NOT happen at the fingertips.
.
Funny many thought that, since Vernon's handling for Twisting the
Aces was the first widely described trick using the count... then
a few years later a really top cardman/gambler type taught me to
do the count in the mechanic's grip, holding the cards in the deep
left hand postion. Which was far superior, you can hold the cards
squared up far easier and better.... THEN WHAMMO... I read Elmsley's
new book... and that very GRIP is the way HE invented and first
described the move!
Basically you hold all cards squared in left hand, thumb and fore-
finger tip control the cards, left thumb peels one card away to
the left and the right FINGERTIPS hold the three remaining cards.
If you just keep Placing the cards from right hand ONTO the one,
or more, depending on number you are at, in the left hand it will
look natural. Once in the grip and you understand the principal,
you can figure out the sequence of taking two as one and replacing
the under card, etc.
.
Once again. It is the originator that really understands the move,
the reason, the grip.... most of the time the improvers miss the
point.
.
I can still remember the first time I ever saw Twisting the Aces,
however, it was done by Ray Boston and it fooled me so badly I
didn't know what hit me. I saw Ray at Baltimore IBM this past July
and we laughed about that story.
.
I use it all the time to make a point. The point being, how much
fun it is to think you know a lot and to BE TOTALLY FOOLED.
.
There are a few things like that in Lance Burton's new show. I have
no idea how they work! And I will not ask. I prefer to be baffled.
Msg #16062 Dated 17:52:10 08-26-91 16056 <--> 16067
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Maybe I should go ahead and give you the key rack now then.
Msg #16063 Dated 17:52:14 08-26-91 16057 <--> 16092
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OWEN BROS CATS
Cats is big business.
Msg #16064 Dated 17:52:18 08-26-91 16059 <--> 16084
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
I haven't seen John arney's crossbow arrow catch, comedy or not.
Seems like a crossbow would be pretty easy to gimmik with a feke
arrow. A good actor could mime the "catch" too, maybe. Sounds like
behind you isn't the place to stand when you do your knife act.
Msg #16065 Dated 17:52:25 08-26-91 16060 <--> 16100
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MERRY OLE KOLE
You got it right. Don't know why magic tables, game tables, etc
fascinate me so much but ever since I was a kid I've liked making
them. You asked about jay's table book. I had Book I before I moved
from Texas to Tennessee the first time but it vanished or is lost or
something. Have tried for a couple on used book lists but the cheap
stuff usually goes pretty fast. Am sure it is still avail though. Am
sure as soon as I buy another, the first one will show up.
Msg #16066 Dated 18:59:02 08-26-91 -> 16074
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: ALL
Re: NEWS
Some very exciting things are happening, and I thought it might
interest some of the people on MAGIC!. This particular news involves
a video tape teaching magic to the public, which I have begun
production on.
The great news is that the video is going to be marketed on television
by means of an Info-mercial, which is a 30 minute program made up of
pitch, entertainment, pitch, and then closing with a commercial.
.
The cost will be $49.50, and you will get the video and Michael
Skinner's Ultimate 3 Card Monte "FREE" if you act NOW! Number of
effects, etc..., have yet to be determined, BUT I do know that Glenn
Falkenstein will host the Info-mercial, and that Michael Skinner was
the consultant for the material appearing on the video. (I mean, who
would YOU have picked, if you could have picked anyone!)
.
We are working on the script daily, but prior bookings continually get
in the way. The Info-Mercial, hopefully, will start running by Jan.,
or maybe February.
.
Good work, good people, high standards - I'm very lucky! These people
are insisting on class all the way! But more than that, this is only
the first on many exciting projects approved by these people. Projects
that are taking a long time to fully develope, but which, when they
happen, are going to have a wide ranging impact!
Msg #16067 Dated 20:07:38 08-26-91 16033 <--> 16068
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
OK, make us all jealous! Truly, Becky is a great lady, out there
workin' in the trenches every day. I'd take my hat off to her if I
wore one.
Msg #16068 Dated 20:09:08 08-26-91 16043 <--> 16075
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Don't worry about the cottage, far as I'm concerned, we can sleep in
the barn - long as it has electricity and a phone jack.
Msg #16069 Dated 20:13:20 08-26-91 16038 <--> 16070
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
RE: Hot coals - I think I'll do fine with less drama in my life. Think
I'll go do kids shows.
Msg #16070 Dated 20:14:00 08-26-91 16041 <--> 16071
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Will look into it - Oct. 9th might be a possible. Tabby's gonna be
there?
Nathan and I have a standing bit about the word "cool." He wouldn't
let me say it until I asked Tab if it was OK. Now, when I pick him up
from school he puts on his sunglasses and I say, "Cool." He says, "You
can't say 'Cool,' only Tabby can say 'Cool.'" And I say, "I asked
Tabby and he said it was OK for me to say 'Cool.'"
Today, after the bit, he said, "Can we go to the hotel?" I said, "What
hotel?" And he said, "The hotel we stayed at with Tabby." (A
reference to the DM SIX MONTHS AGO). I said, "Why do you want to go
there?" and he said, "So I can ask Tabby if it is OK for my friends to
say 'Cool.'"
His third birthday is coming up next month - not sure I want to know
this kid at that age!
Msg #16071 Dated 20:21:21 08-26-91 16045 <--> 16077
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
GOT IT! Oct. 9th Anita is gonna look into it and report back - but
for right now, count me IN. Any chance of you visitin' Techy Heaven?
Msg #16072 Dated 20:21:58 08-26-91 16061 <-
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ELMSLEY
Yes.. I did mean obtaining a break.. I saw Gordon at Hollywood Magic
perform the Elmsley the way you described it.. It does look far
superior.. Thanks a lot...
Msg #16073 Dated 20:24:30 08-26-91 16048 <--> 16275
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
I'm sure you heard about it, even in Leningrad. Yeah, his job was not
the only thing open. Actually, although I haven't kept up with it, I
would assume that since they fired him before it was proved, he might
walk out with a ton of clams.
Msg #16074 Dated 20:28:40 08-26-91 16066 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: NEWS
WOW! Incredible! And an "exclusive scoop" to MAGIC! Good luck with
this project - I'll be looking for the infomercials!
Msg #16075 Dated 20:29:31 08-26-91 16067 <--> 16076
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
I've known Becky since she was 17 (I won't say how long ago we met)
and she IS one of the hardest working women in show business. She
was working Vegas a couple of weeks ago and had her weeks pay swiped
(in cash) from her purse in a dressing room at the Trop (I think).
She and Gigi Richard (Smith) were my guests for the premier party
in Hollywood for _Urban Cowboy_. I have mucho respect for the magic
name of BLANEY!
Msg #16076 Dated 20:29:41 08-26-91 16068 <--> 16079
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Not only are we going, but two bands - BP and C-22 - are heading down
with us. Krayborg So. will not only have a king, but now subjects as
well. No Kool aid tests, though.
Msg #16077 Dated 20:29:46 08-26-91 16069 <--> 16081
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I dunno. Something tells me that hot coals are easier than kid shows,
though both require lots of fancy footwork.
Msg #16079 Dated 20:32:15 08-26-91 16075 <--> 16080
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Damn about the pay swipe in Vegas! Crummy. Indeed, Blaney is a name
to conjur with!
Msg #16080 Dated 20:33:32 08-26-91 16076 <--> 16098
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Oh, well, with BP and C-22 it sounds like the barn is already taken.
Can we sleep in the workshop?
Msg #16081 Dated 20:34:10 08-26-91 16077 <--> 16102
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Kinda figured the hot coals vs. kid's shows would get someone! If you
stick to the under 3's it ain't so bad. It's the 9 year olds that kill
ya'.
Msg #16083 Dated 21:45:29 08-26-91 16007 <--> 16105
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ENIGMA
A more subtle use of the same sort of gimmick is to have ELASTIC
threads across the bottomless area of the glass; you load something
into it (under cover of hank or such) -- usually a ball or similar item
that will smoothly spread the threads apart -- and then can very
cleanly show the item resting in the glass, and dump it out.
Msg #16084 Dated 21:47:32 08-26-91 16018 <--> 16085
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
The kinetic force of a crossbow is, however, far greater than that of
a conventional bow, and that of many guns. It is still the most
powerful non-explosive handweapon in existence.
Msg #16085 Dated 21:49:02 08-26-91 16019 <--> 16086
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Legit arrow catching is taught in the higher levels of some martial
arts -- I used it in an adventure novel I wrote about 25 years ago.
Msg #16086 Dated 21:51:49 08-26-91 16019 <--> 16087
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
You can't shoot Skeet in California, they are an endangered species.
Msg #16087 Dated 21:51:06 08-26-91 16052 <--> 16099
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Of course the simplest way would be to have an exact length of fishline
or such anchoring the arrow to a point behind the bowman -- so it would
stop at an exact point in front of you. Of course the line could
break, and in such cases it might be nice to have a Kevlar tux -- but
not that many other performers would try to rip you off.
Msg #16088 Dated 22:08:35 08-26-91 -> 16089
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: BAD NEWS
Just got a call from Gary Darwin. Johnny Paul is in the hospital
tonight with an apparent heart attack compounded with kidney
trouble. He is going into surgery tomorrow and his wife says he
has about a 30% chance of making it. He is at Valley Hospital in
Las Vegas in room 250. He has been getting calls from Jimmy
Grippo and Don Alan hs visited him already. Anyone who might want
to contact him or his wife, the number is (702) 388-4000.
David
Msg #16089 Dated 23:07:39 08-26-91 16088 <--> 16119
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Really sorry to hear the terrible news about Johnny Paul. If you speak
with him or his wife, please let 'em know that MAGIC!'s thoughts are
with them. Also, if you have a mailing address either for Valley
Hospital in Las Vegas or for his home, perhaps you could post it.
Msg #16092 Dated 0:00:26 08-27-91 16057 <--> 16108
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OWEN BROS CATS
Are you talking about Catmopolitain, Vanity Fur, and Dogue? There
are a couple of others (one quite recent) that you might be intereste
in: Sty, and Penthorse. (For my money, the earlier ones were better.)
Msg #16095 Dated 0:19:50 08-27-91 -> 16115
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
Tab -
Don't know if you can work your schedule around, but the CASTLE SWAP
MEET is supposed to be scheduled for OCTOBER 5th. Lynn just reminded
me of the announcement Bill Larsen made on Sunday.
Msg #16096 Dated 0:22:30 08-27-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SUPER PIG
The next meeting of the Castle Board of Directors is scheduled for
September 9th. All matters to be brought up should be in the hands of
the Secretary - PETER PIT - no later than _September_ _5th_. The
Castle's address is 7001 Franklin Avenue, Hollywood, Ca. 90028.
Msg #16097 Dated 0:25:46 08-27-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DAI VERNON
According to a report at Sunday's lecture, Dai is "still the same -
bedridden." Wish I had better news to report, and would appreciate it
if anyone has more info.
Msg #16098 Dated 0:40:38 08-27-91 16062 <--> 16101
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
NOoooooooooooooooo not yet broooooooooooooooooooo
Msg #16099 Dated 0:40:43 08-27-91 16064 <--> 16106
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Carney doesn't use cross bow... just says something like, "this
looks like a friendly audience" and zap... an arrow appears in
his chest!
Msg #16100 Dated 0:40:50 08-27-91 16065 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MERRY OLE KOLE
I am sure Magic Inc. still stock the table book... at low retail $
Msg #16101 Dated 0:40:55 08-27-91 16068 <--> 16116
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
A magaphone is all I need!
Msg #16102 Dated 0:41:00 08-27-91 16070 <--> 16103
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Sounds cool to me to say the least.
Msg #16103 Dated 0:41:04 08-27-91 16071 <--> 16122
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Yes, don't you remember the date.... tsk.... tsk.... I forget too,
but will looky at airplant tikee and remind you....
Msg #16105 Dated 0:41:14 08-27-91 16083 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ENIGMA
Yeah... good principle... I think Grant was the first. He was one
of the cleverest of all time with simple stuff.
Msg #16106 Dated 0:41:19 08-27-91 16087 <--> 16112
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
How many thumb/finger tips would you suggest?
Msg #16108 Dated 0:41:31 08-27-91 16092 <--> 16199
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: OWEN BROS CATS
Yep... Catmoplitain is a true classic and a collector's item. Meow?
Msg #16112 Dated 1:40:43 08-27-91 16052 <--> 16113
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Sorry no number. I have a different version of how to catch the arrow.
But really I have the idea of catching the arrowhead only. after it
goes thru a foan target that catches the arrow, holds it and lets the
arrowhead continue on. The fact is the arrowhead would be drops off as
arrow is loaded into the crossbow. The arrowhead then secreted into my
mouth. The rest is acting. The arrow fired, hits the foam target and
I react that the arrowhead continues on ans i catch it in my mouth.
Not unlike the way i have performed catching bullet in teeth.
Msg #16113 Dated 1:45:14 08-27-91 16058 <--> 16114
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
I have seen Hans Pantar live at Ballys, as well as Morretti live in
Europe many years ago. I was sure that someone if not several
someones would bring up the fact that Morretti and Sons do a crossbow
thing. I have gone to great pains to make sure that I am not
duplicating anything done before. I have not. In fact most, if not all
of the effects I am performing are original, if not in concept, in
presentations. I do not intend on doing a CROSSBOW TRICK SHOT ACT, but
rather a magic, illusion act with an emphasis on weapons, which happen
to include a crossbow. It also includes swords, swordcanes, bullwhips
and daggers. The crossbow will probally make up about 30% to 35% of
the overall act. So thanks for the tip. But I am doing said research.
If by chance you might have any ideas with the above mentioned weapons
or other not mentioned weapons, I would very much like to hear them.
Thanks again for the help. MIKE.
Msg #16114 Dated 6:36:41 08-27-91 16087 <--> 16117
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
That's interesting. Sort of like cliff diving with arrows. I wonder
if there isn't a way to work out the forces using the energy of the
bow and the weight of the arrow to have it travel at fullo speed for
a predetermined distance and then stop cold?
Msg #16115 Dated 6:36:48 08-27-91 16095 <--> 16124
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
I'll try to make it out for the swap meet, but it is pushing it to
be away for so long right now. I wsa thinking about hitting LA for
a couple of days before meeting up with Pete in Vegas Oct 9. Am on
a day by day thing these days with so many balls up in the air I am
jugglig ome o which I can't afford to drop right now.
Msg #16116 Dated 6:36:55 08-27-91 16098 <--> 16121
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
OK, not yet which is what I wanted to hear.
Msg #16117 Dated 6:36:59 08-27-91 16099 <--> 16127
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
That's funny. Carney has a great sense of humor. A friendly audience,
hah!
Msg #16119 Dated 7:02:04 08-27-91 16088 <--> 16125
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: BAD NEWS
For those of us wishing to send letters or cards to Johnny Paul
or his wife:
Johnny Paul
Room 250
Valley Hospital
620 Shadow Lane
Las Vegas, NV
89108
or at home:
Johnny Paul
2236 LaDue Dr.
Las Vegas, NV
89128
Msg #16121 Dated 10:01:46 08-27-91 16101 <--> 16129
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
Great - if all you need is a megaphone - a la Fitzke's International
Magicians Show - then you can give ME the UltraLight.
Msg #16122 Dated 10:06:34 08-27-91 16103 <--> 16130
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Er... Um... I goofed! Yes, I know YOUR date - I thought I was sending
the message about "any chance of you visitin' Techy Heaven" to TABBY.
Guess I'll have to pay more attention to the message headers!
Msg #16124 Dated 10:10:15 08-27-91 16115 <--> 16132
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
Definitely - don't drop any of the balls. But if you can make it,
"cool." Our phones, data lines and fax machines will be at your
disposal if that helps.
Msg #16125 Dated 10:11:31 08-27-91 16119 <--> 16153
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Thanks for the prompt post of Johnny Paul's addresses. Hopefully a
few members and their friends will send some cards. Please keep us
informed.
Msg #16126 Dated 10:20:01 08-27-91 -> 16133
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Dante, the August Genii just arrived and it is beautiful. I'd
been wondering about that Carter stuff since I bought a package
of memorabilia from Mike Caveney in Baltimore and the Thurston
illusion story from Bill Smith; great! I had seen some of Bill's
Thurston stuff in BS's shop last year at Grammy time. Also,
congrats on the new _Harkey_ series. The MCCMS ad looks good and
it has already started pulling calls and checks mostly from the
central Tennessee area, Louisville, and Atlanta which is just
what I had anticipated. Hope you can work it into your sked to
come out to Music City in January. Do you have a winter coat?
Please repeat the September ad in the October issue for me. I'll
put a check in the mail for that one next week. Thanks again for
all the stuff for collectors and historians in the August Genii !
Msg #16127 Dated 11:00:46 08-27-91 16113 <--> 16128
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
sounds most interesting. As to ideas, none here as I have not been
into that area... did see a very strong marshall arts Ninja act
at the recent FISM... none of the effects were anything I had seen
before, but I did not take notes... so can't recall much of anything
as to props, tricks, moves, etc. just that I liked it, but the
rest of the audience and judges DID NOT GET IT... my thoery is
that the aud did not know what they were watching, had not seen
the effects before so did not know when to applaud. Like if they
see a dove produced, they are fimiliar with that, and know it is
an applause cue.
Something to think about... sad isn't it!
Msg #16128 Dated 11:00:59 08-27-91 16114 <--> 16134
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
How about making a ninety-degree turn? Shoot it up and it never
comes down (outdoors), shoot at a target and a bullet arrives there
instead of an arrow? It changes color. Shoot an arrow across the
stage and when it hits the target it has "got something" I don't
want to suggest a live bird... but a replica?
Bob Haskell's wife was a marksperson(?) with the bow and arrow.
He used to have a chosen card caught by the arrow as he threw the
deck into the air, she shot the arrow through the fluttering pack
of cards and when it was seen in the target the selected (a dupe)
card be there. He blew it one time trying to CLASSIC FORCE the card
and took three tries before the correct!!!! card was selected.
There is where you use a one way deck....
Msg #16129 Dated 11:01:14 08-27-91 16121 <--> 16136
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
It is in the mail.
Msg #16130 Dated 11:01:19 08-27-91 16122 <--> 16137
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Yeh, if you look at message header for #16122 regarding a visit to
Techy Heaven, you will see an error. It says: "STAGE FOG" and I am
sure it should read "MAGE SMOG"... cough, cough...
Msg #16132 Dated 11:01:32 08-27-91 16124 <--> 16139
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
You'r disposing of data lines and fax machines? Trade for an U-Lite?
Msg #16133 Dated 11:01:36 08-27-91 16126 <--> 16135
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
What is this Winter coat stuff? I thought Nashville was in the
south? er, sorry SOUTH.
Will it rise again?
Secret phone call from Wells... he is about to DUMP a load of
messages upon us! Har.... Mo Better Blues...
Msg #16134 Dated 11:17:28 08-27-91 16128 <--> 16140
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
I like that. Card sword using the crossbow would play strong and a
lot safer than trying to catch one just before it punched through
your (not your, Mike King's) skull. TA's suggestion about the fish
line could actually work in a situation like that; stopping the
arrow and giving the magus time to grab the arrow as it falls.
Def something to think about.
Msg #16135 Dated 11:17:37 08-27-91 16133 <--> 16219
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Nashville is in the SOUTH but in January the temp can be anywhere
from 65 deg down to 20 deg at night. Sometimes snow and ice. All
the signs (animals, leaves, bugs, etc) are saying it is going to be
an early and cold winter. Glad Wells The Great is back and fixing to
get back on the board. Yawsuh!
Msg #16136 Dated 11:22:13 08-27-91 16129 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BECKY BLANEY
"It is in the mail" - Geez, if I'd known it was gonna be that easy, I
would have asked you for it a year ago! Actually, yours is the SECOND
time today that I've heard that phrase (and it isn't even noon).
Msg #16137 Dated 11:24:40 08-27-91 16130 <--> 16141
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
OK, you forced me to go back and look at message # 16071 - the one that
had the phrase "Any chance of you visitin' Techy Heaven?" - IT WAS
ADDRESSED TO TABBY CRABB. I think you do these things just to muddle
my mind, mess up the system and cause endless grief to the Sysop.
Msg #16139 Dated 11:31:02 08-27-91 16132 <--> 16143
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
I'm still waiting for JERRY BURTON to tell me how much he wants for his
UltraLite.
Msg #16140 Dated 12:11:30 08-27-91 16134 <--> 16148
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
How to hide the fishline?
Msg #16141 Dated 12:12:11 08-27-91 16137 <--> 16145
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Ye but why stage fog?
Msg #16143 Dated 12:13:09 08-27-91 16139 <--> 16558
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
Remind him.
Msg #16145 Dated 12:33:41 08-27-91 16141 <--> 16156
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Stage Fog is a code name. The secret is known only to those in the
inner circle.
Msg #16148 Dated 12:58:29 08-27-91 16140 <--> 16149
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
The obvious thing would NOT be to hide the fish line, but to use
the crossbow with an actual fishing rig on board using fishing
arrows, spear or something. Use dayglo monofilliment.
Msg #16149 Dated 14:16:30 08-27-91 16112 <--> 16151
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
I shot an arrow in the air, ..........
Msg #16151 Dated 14:23:56 08-27-91 16127 <--> 16152
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Thanks. Since most of the stuff, as mentioned before is magic/illusion
with weapon themes. I am blocking and staging with applause ques in
place. have tried the effects out in different routines at clubs
around town and have seemed to get most of the kinks worked out. The
great part is the routines as i would like to use them, when vcombined
in the right order, seem to get a great resonse from the audiences.
Hopefully means I am on the right track. All audiences have been lay,
not magicians. But since I plan on working for the same (lay
audiences) I think I am on the right track. Thanks again for running
this thru you mental matter. If anything pops out later,
please`advise. MIKE.
Msg #16152 Dated 14:27:59 08-27-91 16149 <--> 16173
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Hi guy! Sorry I have not been in touch. But.the meeting with
Prism/Vidmark guy went well and he wants a script in hand by Friday.
So I will be chained to this thing till then. Hope things are well
with you. Planning on doing that lunch thing at the Castle Friday,
howsa bout you? Talk at you soon. MIKE.
Msg #16153 Dated 14:58:25 08-27-91 16088 <--> 16154
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Hey Dave..this is Wayne again..
Have you ever heard of this coin effect- Hang Ching Ping? The name may
be a little off. If you have heard of it, where can I find it
published?
Msg #16154 Dated 15:08:23 08-27-91 16153 <--> 16184
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Forgive me for jumping in, but I think that the effect you are
referring to is called "Coins Through The Table." The original version
is attributed to Han Ping Chien, who performed it in 1914. There are
a TON of subsequent variations. Check Bobo, New Modern Coin Magic for
several versions, Ammar's The Magic of Michael Ammar for a version with
Mike Gallo's "kicker ending," Goshman's version in Magic By Gosh, etc.,
etc.
Msg #16156 Dated 15:50:16 08-27-91 16145 <--> 16157
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
OK one of us on the fringe...still is in doubt about the composition
of water based "Fog Fluid." Any suggestions as to where to look,
inquire, ask, or ? i still have other questions ...that's my problem,
more questions than answers...i njoy the comments and jokes
Msg #16157 Dated 16:02:19 08-27-91 16156 <--> 16165
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Fog Fluid still leaves me with no answers. Jay Scott Berry has a
variety of fog devices, from stage size to palm size, but all of his
that I know of use dry ice and water. Is that a solution you can't use
in this case?
Msg #16158 Dated 16:17:29 08-27-91 -> 16186
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
I've just installed a new version of the MAGIC! software. As a MAGIC!
member, you should see no differences except for a slight improvement
in speed. If there are any problems that you think may be a result of
the new version, please let me know by leaving a Comment from the Main
Menu or by telephoning me at U.S. 818-899-8812 during normal Pacific
Time business hours.
I would like to call everyone's attention to an additional command -
UNTHREAD. Unthread is found on the small menu that appears when you
have replied to, or appended to, a message (it is on the same menu as
Save and Abort - it appears after you have entered your reply or
append). UNTHREAD allows you to creat a NEW TOPIC and to break it away
from the old topic. So, if you are replying to a message or appending
to a message, but want to change the topic, please give "U" - UNTHREAD
- a try. For those who use RDMAGIC/IMP! you can accomplish the same
thing by ENTERING a new message instead of repltying or appending.
Msg #16159 Dated 17:24:25 08-27-91 15447 <--> 16187
From: EVAN KATZ
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: PINK POLYMER
Will perhaps be in New York next month. If I am, I will get some from
my Dad and then confab with you.
Msg #16162 Dated 17:30:48 08-27-91 15584 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE REAL EVAN
Ha, ha, ha, Jerry. A West Coast imposter? I think I'm being kidded!
Msg #16163 Dated 17:32:33 08-27-91 15687 <--> 16193
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ELLEN TUNKELROTT
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Sorry, Ellen, but you must be confusing me with some other devilishly
hansome magi -- I was not at the Roth lecture.
Msg #16165 Dated 19:09:49 08-27-91 16156 <--> 16168
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Well, I'll try to help you help yourself. ROSCO is the main mfg of
fog and stage stuff like breakaway bottles, etc. They mfg fog machine
and fog fluids. Try calling them at either 914-636-5538 or 212-584-
5600. Please let me know if this helps. Seems like I gave you some
info prev but never got a comeback so don't know. If these guys
won't tell you then here's one more thing. Talked to a light/stage
tech friend a coupla states over and he in emergemcies uses a mixture
of H2O and liquid detergent. Just trying to help.
Msg #16167 Dated 19:54:00 08-27-91 -> 16224
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC IN AC
I'm gonna be in Atlantic City next Thursday checking out a singer
at Harrahs who called about management. What I really wanna know is
WHERE is the MAGIC in Atlantic City so I can catch a late show???
Msg #16168 Dated 20:16:29 08-27-91 16165 <--> 16169
From: DOUG SMITH
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Appreciate your help. We have probably never met but I find this
system very friendly. I first have a lot of curiosity and second do
have concerns about young kids trying some effects that may cause harm.
Then will share with other when I am sure of an answer. Your input is
appreciated as I do not have the resources of local experts.
Msg #16169 Dated 20:21:55 08-27-91 16157 <--> 16177
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
David...your network is a big help and is fun. When I have enough
information I will be glad to share.
Msg #16170 Dated 20:23:30 08-27-91
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: GEORGE SCHINDLER
G. Schindler will be in Rockford, Il on Wednesday night. Would anyone
wish to forward a message as my wife and I will be attending his
lecture. He was last in Rockford ten years ago and we enjoyed his
presentation. As a matter of fact I use "Schindler comic Predicition
Card" that he showed night when I present the concept of entropy to
science classes. (Entropy is the idea that nature becomes more random,
and that energy must be inputso that order can be achieved.)
cience classes.that
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Msg #16173 Dated 21:16:07 08-27-91 16151 <--> 16181
From: T A WATERS
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Of course one of the problems with the sort of thing you are proposing
is that a stray gust of wind -- door opened backstage or the like --
and the arrow caroms off the target and into an interested spectator (I
guarantee they'll be interested then!) I assume that you are going to
have very heavy liability coverage on this act.
Msg #16174 Dated 21:27:29 08-27-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LIGHT FROM THE LAMP
.
First, am glad to see you've taken over the book reviews for
the Genii. I hope you'll get McComb to do a review every once in
a while unless he's gone video on us. Your review of _Device and
Illusion_ is right on the money. What books are coming up in soon
to be "Light From The Lamp's"?
.
Second, after two read throughs of _Keep The Wheels Turning_ I'm
hoping I can find out about other books that might give insight
into the thoughts and habits of other master builders, manufacturers,
and others of similar nature. Outside of Okito's two books and
some magazine articles, _Illusion Builder To Fu Manchu_ , _Jarrett_,
The Paul Osborne books, The Jack Gwynne Book, some Doc Nixon
stuff and the above Steinmeyer gift I don't have much else around
here on the subject. Any additional suggestions along these lines
would be most appreciated. I probably left something out of the
above list like _20th Century Magic_ and several crude staple
backs, but you get the picture. I would like to have access to
all books on the subject, so don't hold back. Also, do you know
of any biographical study of Conradi-Horster?
.
Msg #16177 Dated 22:03:57 08-27-91 16168 <--> 16178
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Where are you located, Doug? I would imagine that if you talk to
the guys and girls at ROSCO right they'll tell you the stuff that's
in it. There are three varieties I know of in major use right now
and the delineation is the base; alcohol, oil or water. Most fog
guys who care about the crowd and the act use a water base. Another
interesting stuff is the solution used to make smoke on movie sets.
I'll never forget the filming of _Urban Cowboy_ in Gilley's Club.
The cry every few minutes was "More smoke, more smoke!". What is
that stuff made of? It really hung in the air. Is it a heat generated
smoke like the fog machines?
Msg #16178 Dated 22:05:28 08-27-91 16145 <--> 16194
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Or those NOT IN A FOG?
Msg #16181 Dated 22:05:42 08-27-91 16148 <--> 16182
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Sounds riskier that anything in Workers!
Msg #16182 Dated 22:05:46 08-27-91 16149 <--> 16183
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
.........holy cow... an arrow just landed in my front yard! Cheesh!
Msg #16183 Dated 22:05:50 08-27-91 16151 <--> 16188
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
What city, clubs, etc. do you work? Anywhere near San Francisco?
Msg #16184 Dated 22:05:54 08-27-91 16153 <--> 16200
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
It has been around forever... actually maybe 20 minutes longer than
the linking rings...
It is the basis for coins through the table. Slydini developed this
principle to the max! Vernon and many others have done variants.
Msg #16186 Dated 22:06:01 08-27-91 16158 <--> 16205
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
You mean us IMPerialists use E instead of R to answerve? Mit new
thread name?
Msg #16187 Dated 22:06:07 08-27-91 16159 <--> 16211
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PINK POLYMER
I just found my little container of Pink Polymer. Slippery as a
snail snot field on glass.
Msg #16188 Dated 22:06:13 08-27-91 16173 <--> 16201
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
It would be interesting to know how many performers do indeed carry
liability insurance!
Msg #16193 Dated 22:07:01 08-27-91 16163 <--> 16212
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I don't know how devilishly handsome Ellen thought the guy at the Roth
lecture was.... If you look back, she called him (you?) CINDY.
Msg #16194 Dated 22:09:04 08-27-91 16169 <--> 16209
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Great - I've often wondered about the hazards of some of the chemical
magic. On the other hand, I hope that you won't adopt the current
trend of dramatically overstating some of the risks.
Msg #16195 Dated 22:10:42 08-27-91 -> 16300
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIRO FOG
Then, of course, there was also Phineas T. Fogg - did some magic as I
recall - used the old eclipse trick on some primitive tribe. Speaking
of which, now that eclipse fever is pretty much over, I take it that
everyone in the LA/San Diego area knows that since everyone thinks the
next eclipse isn't for 20 years or something, that they can use their
mental powers to predict one on January 4th, 1992 and blow people away
'cause there will be one.
Msg #16199 Dated 22:19:07 08-27-91 16108 <--> 16301
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OWEN BROS CATS
Are you serious?!! Is Catmopolitain really a collectors' item?
Msg #16200 Dated 22:19:11 08-27-91 16153 <-
From: LYNN HEALY
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Are you talking about the move "Han Ping Chien"? It's in Bobo (New
Modern Coin Magic) for starters...
Msg #16201 Dated 22:19:42 08-27-91 16182 <--> 16225
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
With any luck at all, that arrow went right thru the differential of
that clone of Super Pig that you have.
Msg #16205 Dated 22:26:00 08-27-91 16186 <--> 16305
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
When you are changing the topic you should use E instead of R. There
is no point, for example, in a discussion of the Han Ping Chien move
being in a thread named "BAD NEWS."
Msg #16209 Dated 23:16:42 08-27-91 16177 <--> 16213
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
The movie smoke that hangs in the air, and also seems to hang on your
skin and clothing is, I think, at times composed mostly of corn syrup,
heated and sprayed into a fine mist. Somehow, breathing corn syrup
droplets into your lungs doesn't sound so great, but what do I know.
Msg #16211 Dated 23:22:26 08-27-91 16187 <--> 16307
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PINK POLYMER
I just found a little container of snail snot. Not quite as slippery
as Pink Polymer, but tastes much better.
Msg #16212 Dated 23:23:31 08-27-91 16193 <--> 16217
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I made the foolish mistake of thinking that, in a message ADDRESSED to
me, "you" referred to me! I guess I should read more carefully. Or
stop wearing dresses similar to Cindy's.
Msg #16213 Dated 23:25:19 08-27-91 16209 <--> 16227
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
By the by, I am not SURE of this info -- on-set lore is always of so-so
accuracy.
Msg #16214 Dated 23:26:04 08-27-91 15485 <--> 16288
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M BACK!
Red hair? Whatacha talking about, Tabby? Does the Evan Katz imposter
guy from the West Coast have red hair? Or is this all some elaborate
joke?!
Msg #16217 Dated 0:12:25 08-28-91 16212 <--> 16248
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I haven't figured out how she got Evan and Cindy confused either.
Maybe needs new glasses. Personally, I thought your dress looked fine
for a Sunday Brunch. And I thought the gloves were a nice touch.
Msg #16219 Dated 0:19:16 08-28-91 16126 <--> 16289
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Thanks for the kind words. I really want to see
Bills collection sometime, maybe I could say I
got a flat? Did you get the Harkey book yet?
Msg #16224 Dated 1:55:37 08-28-91 16167 <--> 16290
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC IN AC
Don}t know off hand, But have a friend who is big in magic on the East
coast, Hal Meyers. Will check with him tomorrow. He will surely know.
I will advise after I talk with him. MIKE.
Msg #16225 Dated 1:58:19 08-28-91 16173 <--> 16226
From: MIKE KING
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Oh yes, mucho insurance. Have been working with Cohen, they do alot of
entertainment applications. Most of the act however will not consist
of shooting the bow. Most a levitation based around an Excalibur type
sword and swordcanes, whips and the like. so the insurance now,
doesn}t seem to be too bad.
Msg #16226 Dated 2:00:52 08-28-91 16183 <--> 16302
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
So far all the new stuff has been in Comedy/Magic clubs in and around
the L.A. area. But whhen things get in full swing, hopefully by the
Fall, I hope to be booked over a greater area. Have booked the act
myself so far. But will have a showing to hopefully obtain an agent in
a month or so. Still a few kinks I wish to work out. Have shown to an
agent who booked my Manipulation act in the past and he was quite
excited. Something new/different. Like Peter Pit says, IF YOUR GOING
TO DO IT, YOU HAD BETTER BE THE BEST OR DIFFERENT. Here...here, I
agree. Let us just hope the general public likes it when it is ready.
I just want to be entertaining. Catch ya later. MIKE.
Msg #16227 Dated 3:57:29 08-28-91 16177 <--> 16228
From: DOUG SMITH
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
We live in Rockton, Ill just north of Rockford. I am not an expert but
I suspect that you need a heating element to vaporize the stuff. i
hope to find out what is present. Our family are big performers, we
appreciate good magic. our oldest daughter is the best performer but
she prefers her carreer of teaching at DePaul university. The family
did a stage act, parades, and mingling as clowns in order to pay for 80
percent of college costs. The least that any went to college is seven
years. they just kept trying until they got the hang of it.
Msg #16228 Dated 4:03:07 08-28-91 16194 <--> 16229
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I am not afraid of the demonstrations. My real theme is that magic is
a demonstration art and teachers can learn much from performers.
However sometimes I see where an author does not know a lot of the
risks of storage, or risks of breathing the chemicals. Two years I
chaired a conference that was world-class for high school teachers of
science. The first speaker was Dick Gough of Rockford, who is the
teacher of magic I have seen. His first effect was a bill switch of a
borrowed one dollar bill to a five, When returning the five to the
spectator he made the point tht\at students should gain from each
demonstration rather than be making fools of the students.
Msg #16229 Dated 4:09:11 08-28-91 16194 <--> 16230
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I few years ago I heard a story where s kid died when he ingested the
chemical for an effect. I thought that it involved a piece of aluminum
foil that b ecame too hot for a volunteer to handle. I suspect the
chemical was mercury chloride. Did anyone hear of a similiar story is
? The rumor was that the company who made the
effect went out of business after being sued.
Msg #16230 Dated 4:22:51 08-28-91 16227 <--> 16278
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
i have hard time correcting the typing while on stage. Corrections,
we are NOT big performers but did our clown with magic at Illinois/Wis
county fairs and shopping mauls.......(sic) dick gough is the best
teacher we have seen ....including all that pass through rockford or
IBM..however in fairness..the lecturers are not trying to teach when we
see them....most leave by 6:30 am so long..s
Msg #16231 Dated 4:29:50 08-28-91 15383 <--> 16232
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Great! Transparent sections is a definite plus...I hope that you are
also considering the addition of a read your own messages only option
as the size of the message base is beginning to pose a very real
problem in the amount of time it takes to read and respond to a day's
worth of messages. It is either that or send Biro on the road to
places where he can't charge his battery more frequently.
Msg #16232 Dated 4:30:10 08-28-91 15384 <--> 16267
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Ha! EVERY man has his price!!! Even froggies fall in the face of
chocolate!
Preparation wise...nothing surpasses my orals. Sweatwise...I can
think of a number of situations.
Msg #16233 Dated 4:30:22 08-28-91 15390 <--> 16247
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
They probably don't bake in Alaska either and did the Irish invent th
e the potato?
Msg #16235 Dated 4:31:31 08-28-91 15393 <--> 16348
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Wow! That is really BIG of you....I didn't realize that Sysops could
be so forgiving.
(grin)
Msg #16237 Dated 4:31:48 08-28-91 15395 <--> 16262
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUBE
That should be a private message. Will respond elsewhere.
Msg #16238 Dated 4:31:55 08-28-91 15397 <--> 16250
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Great! but did you tell Joe? I don't want a last minute surprise if
we have to be out of the room by a certain time.
Msg #16239 Dated 4:32:03 08-28-91 15398 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW AGE MAGIC
wunderful...wanderful...I await the performance of TWGM.
Msg #16240 Dated 4:32:08 08-28-91 15399 <--> 16310
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
If you aren't going to do Ramsay and don't want to keep it because of
some memory I would love to have it since I do the routine and while
I have the original booklet, I don't have the Davenport cylinder.
Thanks!!
Msg #16241 Dated 4:32:21 08-28-91 15400 <--> 16251
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
I DO have a laptop computer...in fact I have two of them...a NEC
prospeed 386 that is really more of a portable than a laptop and a
Compac laptop. I had NO interest in taking one with me on the New
Mexico trip! I wanted no TV, no newspapers, and no offense intended
no bulletin boards, MAGIC! or otherwise. Besides, there was a CPU
and a modem in the business office of the 20,000 plus acre ranch on
which we were staying. Everyone needs a break now and then! We had
a wonderful time playing golf at Angel Fire, fishing for trout, and
horseback riding at 10,000 ft high in the New Mexico mountains. Also
did some saloon sluming in Red River. Somewhere in between all of th
e above we worked out most of the '92 and '93 DMS plans. Even did
some magic.
Msg #16242 Dated 4:32:51 08-28-91 15401 <--> 16327
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAWYERS
Thats just the point regarding these lists! I haven't changed the
tricks I do for the public in ten years either! So what's the point
you were trying to make with the lists?
Msg #16243 Dated 4:33:01 08-28-91 15403 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIRELESS MIKE SYSTEM
I scour the remaindered sections as well and also go to the used book
stores. However, I STILL buy new books. I don't have the money to
buy them, I don't have anyplace to put them, and I seem to have less
and less time to read them...but I STILL buy them!
Msg #16244 Dated 4:33:13 08-28-91 15404 <--> 16265
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
If you just squeeze the widow quickly you will find you have no
problem whatsoever with the web that is produced.
Msg #16245 Dated 4:33:22 08-28-91 15405 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MEMBERS IN THE NEWS
I realize you have the MAGIC-NL hub. I just fear that with the
subscription you are going to lose users who were on the margin with
the phone expense and the growing time factor to answer the message
bases. Being able to call a local board that was networked might
allow some folks to be a part that otherwise could not do so.
Msg #16246 Dated 4:33:36 08-28-91 15412 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: RANDY LUND
Re: GOOD-BYES
That is bad news...although I don't think we exchanged many messages,
I enjoyed reading what you had to say and I will miss your being on
the board. Maybe the Sysop can betalked into allowing one free
visit a month from "old-timers".
Thanks for being here and let's hope that you will return on of these
days.
Msg #16247 Dated 4:33:53 08-28-91 15423 <--> 16252
From: BILL WELLS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Yes, it does have two lenses and a siren. The "whistles" are like a
sort of flute type thing along the base. It is a Straight Arrow
premium. I do have the Teleblinker Ring which is metal and not only
makes a clicking sound for the message but flashes in the dark. There
is a expanding telescope inside the box. I also have a smaller
telescope ring that I believe was a Sky King premium.
Msg #16248 Dated 4:34:10 08-28-91 15424 <--> 16253
From: BILL WELLS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I remember Chelman's routine now that you mention it. He does make
an excellent point regarding the second coin as opposed to the last
coin.
My question on the coins across (as well as the cups and balls) is
why does everyone use FOUR coins when three is just as good (or in
the case of the cups and balls...two cups instead of three). Chelman
of course uses a four coin routine.
Msg #16249 Dated 4:34:31 08-28-91 15433 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS
Re: ABBOTTS - REPRISE
Too bad...mother doesn't let me watch the other cable stuff...
Msg #16250 Dated 4:34:37 08-28-91 15435 <--> 16326
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Leave it to a Pro to use the concept properly!
I knew you had it in you all the time.
I can't see the thread anymore.
Msg #16251 Dated 4:34:45 08-28-91 15437 <--> 16260
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
I saw that in their catalog. Howsomever, I already have two laptops
that I could use if need be. Thus far the need ain't been.
Msg #16252 Dated 4:34:53 08-28-91 15438 <--> 16284
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Do you know how Walter Gibson came up with those names?
Msg #16253 Dated 4:34:58 08-28-91 15439 <--> 16255
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yes...it is good. The "apparently empty" type of thing is a very
good tactic in many situations. This talk of the spider, reminds me
of a concealment Fred Kapps used to use wherein the coin was merely
hidden behind the "webbing" of the thumb and first finger while the
palm was apparently shown empty.
Msg #16254 Dated 4:35:16 08-28-91 15454 <--> 16355
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
I use cigar boxes for routines, the metal and plastic "nut and bolt"
cases (with all the little clear plastic drawers) for small close up
items (coins, etc.) and plastic shoe boxes for larger close up items.
Finally, the largest items go into drawers. Try to group similar
things or group as a routine. You will still spend more time looking
for than using the item in question.
Msg #16255 Dated 4:35:30 08-28-91 15470 <--> 16256
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I don't think I was suggesting that YOU teach anyone, but rather was
being one of those outside forces, suggestioners...anyhow....glad to
see you back!
Msg #16256 Dated 4:35:43 08-28-91 15471 <--> 16263
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I am sure there must be LOTS of folks who remember J.B. Bobo. He
with just about all over the country doing school shows...especially
south of the the Mason Dixon line (but then that WOULD be the entire
country wouldn't it?).
So howcome Scotty J. didn't end up doin' magic instead of singin'.
Msg #16257 Dated 4:35:57 08-28-91 15478 <--> 16258
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
TALMAGE! How Kudzu do such a thing??
Msg #16258 Dated 4:36:02 08-28-91 15482 <--> 16293
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Fer sure...lets really try to set up a weekend day on this one.
Especially since you are now about to head West! I hate to see you
leave this edge, but I understand why. Now I will have to find
somebody else to watch my back when I look West. Guess I better get
the Wellses across the river for a visit el pronto before Kragbrough
closes.
Msg #16259 Dated 4:36:16 08-28-91 15483 <--> 16261
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
What a relief! I thought it was a laxative.
Msg #16260 Dated 4:36:24 08-28-91 15492 <--> 16264
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
What the hell is this?
This is your Life or something????
Msg #16261 Dated 4:36:31 08-28-91 15510 <--> 16266
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Bob Olson (aka Potter) used to be at Strubridge Village, but I think
someone recently told me he was no longer there, so I may NOT know
how to reach him. I will check the I.B.M. roles and see if I can
find an address.
Msg #16262 Dated 4:36:45 08-28-91 15511 <--> 16312
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUBE
Great! But make more than a couple...you know how taxes are nowadays
and there is also inflation.
Msg #16263 Dated 4:36:51 08-28-91 15523 <--> 16268
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
HOO are you talkin about?
Msg #16264 Dated 4:36:59 08-28-91 15529 <--> 16349
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Wells had enough trouble staying on the horse on the side of the
mountain within a damn computer being involved. It should be an
absolute requirement that EVERYONE on this board take off four or
five days without a computer now and then. Besides where I was it
was REAL magic!!!
Msg #16265 Dated 4:37:11 08-28-91 15552 <--> 16351
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Be careful...there seems to be a tendency to hop on the third card.
Msg #16266 Dated 4:37:18 08-28-91 15556 <--> 16294
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
David gave a wonderful talk for us, when the I.B.M. was in Nashville
and also opened his collection and home for visits during the
convention. Please give him my warmest regards the next time you
talk to him.
Msg #16267 Dated 4:37:31 08-28-91 15561 <--> 16309
From: BILL WELLS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
That is the most important thing! It will start paying for itself in
one way or the other before long.
Msg #16268 Dated 4:37:37 08-28-91 15563 <--> 16282
From: BILL WELLS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Sounds like you are on the right track. Just curious, you only
mentioned three coins. Are you only using three coins? There are
now other folks talking about coins across. I hope you had a chance
to read their messages as well.
Msg #16269 Dated 4:37:51 08-28-91 15566 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: NETWORK
Hang in there Steve! We would really miss your visits here. Besides
we got to get our private club going!
Msg #16270 Dated 4:37:58 08-28-91 15622 <--> 16556
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Maybe that was what Wayne used to throw at weddings in New York!
.
(Actually, some rat poison works by preventing clotting of the blood
and preventing clots in humans can sometimes be an advantage...often
referred to as a blood "thinner". Of course, the dosages are not the
same.)
Msg #16271 Dated 4:38:18 08-28-91 15658 <--> 16272
From: BILL WELLS
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: DC
Excuse me for butting in...
Washington has a number of Mariott hotels. The J.W. Marriott is the
flagship hotel and is VERY nice. It is on Pennsylvania Avenue and
is NOT in an unsafe part of town. It is near the White House, across
the street from the Willard Hotel (a beautiful restored hotel) and
sits atop a shopping complex that contains the Magic Masters Magic
Shop. The National Theatre is a half block away. You can get mugged
anyplace if you aren't careful and there are plenty of places in D.C.
that you can be mugged or worst. However, I wouldn't call this an
unsafe area at all. Jim Nagel and his family just stayed there for a
week and Bill Spooner and his wife just stayed at the Hotel
Washington which is in the same area. The Le Grand David Company has
stayed there when working the Easter Egg Roll at the White House.
Richmond is about two hours by car from Washington. Fredericksburg
is a mid point. Richmond is in Virginia. Tabby is in Maryland.
The Potomac River and a fair amount of land is in between Tabby and
Richmond. He is much closer to Washington. Woody Landers is a very
good close up magician who lives in Richmond.
Msg #16272 Dated 4:38:58 08-28-91 15664 <--> 16295
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DC
90 minutes??? I am gonna start calling you the Rocketeer!
Msg #16273 Dated 4:39:04 08-28-91 15671 <--> 16274
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
collecting Kaps tapes??? I thought you already had 'em all.
Msg #16274 Dated 4:39:13 08-28-91 15715 <--> 16313
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
There's great eatin places in mo cities than Boston...in Nashville,
it was Helma's Soup Kettle just down the street from the Hyatt in
downtown. Doncha remember Helma getting on stage with Paul and
playing the harmonica?
Msg #16275 Dated 4:39:22 08-28-91 15732 <--> 16296
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
Listen ... I will be more than happy to help you keep your feet on
the ground....and I wouldn't want you to be tempted to look at those
exotic pictures of wimmen mo than once. You probably won't want to
have to move them to Tennessee either...that is in the bible belt and
they might not like such things. I will do you a big favor and take
all those evil photo's off your hands for nothing. Just put 'em in
any old tables you might have lying around there so they don't get
bent and I will be rite over to pick 'em up!!!
Msg #16276 Dated 4:39:43 08-28-91 15759 <--> 16297
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Remind me to show you my Cap and Pense set before you leave these
parts...also to talk to you about a cap and pense routine with a
dollar bill folding into a cylinder that Scotty marketed that you
might like. I would like to see that old set you got too!
Msg #16277 Dated 4:39:56 08-28-91 15822 <--> 16356
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Yes...Harvey Rosenthal is one singing magician that I know.
Msg #16278 Dated 4:40:03 08-28-91 15925 <--> 16283
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Gadzooks Biro!!
I am NOT a chemist! I used to be a Biologist and the most I know
about fog is that I hate to drive thru it.
Msg #16280 Dated 4:41:03 08-28-91 16031 <--> 16357
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC'S CHILD
The egg and magic came first. But most certainly magic! Science
would have come much later.
Msg #16282 Dated 5:14:49 08-28-91 16248 <--> 16292
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I would submit that, in the construction of repeated transposition
effects (e.g., Birds of a Feather, Matrix, Ace Assemblies) there is a
reason why four items are most often used, which contradicts your
assertion that "three is just as good."
The reason has to do with the theatrical rule of three. There is a
pleasing natural structure to sets of three which human beings like.
The first phase sets the premise, the second refines it, the third
completes it. You find this structure in theater (where, for instance,
the three-act play is a form that has been used by many major
playwrights), in comedy (where the three-phase joke is an established
form), and of course in magic.
Consider that, in a four-object transposition effect, there are
actually three transpositions. (One object -- often designated the
"leader" -- doesn't move; the others move to join it.) Thus, routines
using four coins fit this desirable structure; a structure which is
clearly so organically satisfying that most people have never pondered
why they like it, but are drawn to using it nevertheless.
Msg #16283 Dated 5:25:30 08-28-91 16229 <--> 16287
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
The company was Rings 'n' Things. I believe they were based in Texas.
A customer bought a bottle of the foil-heating chemical, and stored it
in his refrigerator. His young son drank the stuff. Didn't die, but
suffered irreversible brain damage and, if I recall, went blind. The
resulting lawsuit was for a considerable sum, and the company went out
of business. Happened around the late 1970s.
Msg #16284 Dated 5:28:23 08-28-91 16252 <--> 16325
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
If you're asking about his pen-name on the Shadow stories, I can
provide the explanation -- but perhaps you posed the question because
you want to give the answer; if so, be my guest.
Msg #16285 Dated 5:55:21 08-28-91 -> 16299
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OWENS
We have two Owens Supreme catalogs. Is this the same thing?
Charlie
Msg #16287 Dated 7:51:52 08-28-91 16213 <--> 16291
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Corn syrup would make sense as I had an overwhelming desire for
some buckwheat pancakes after filming the smokey scenes.
Msg #16288 Dated 7:51:57 08-28-91 16214 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK!
While it is elaborate, it is no joke.
Msg #16289 Dated 7:52:02 08-28-91 16219 <--> 16331
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
No Harkey book as of yet. Was hoping Evan would trade me his.
Msg #16290 Dated 7:52:06 08-28-91 16224 <--> 16318
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MAGIC IN AC
Thanks. Am going up to see a kid, Tony Roi, from Hawaii. He would
make a great looking magician, however he sings and would really like
to see some magic while I'm there.
Msg #16291 Dated 7:52:12 08-28-91 16227 <--> 16298
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I've two sons in college. One at UGA and one in grad school at Ga St.
Msg #16292 Dated 7:52:16 08-28-91 16255 <--> 16319
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Thanks. Am glad to be back. I got back and you left. Glad to see you
back.
Msg #16293 Dated 7:52:21 08-28-91 16258 <--> 16595
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I have mixed feelings of course, leaving grandma's house and the
memories but things must progress. When I orig came here in 1986 it
was to sell and continue with my career in Nashville. Well, emotions
being what they are, I couldn't bring myself to do it at the time. I
lost my career (a good thing looking back) but now it is time to
sieze the moment. Just think, should your family every want to visit
Music City, you will have a cool place to stay, great food, and
congenial friends. The Nuevo DeCarlo is antebellum though not as old
as Spring Hill. My grandad sold his grandparents home in Virginia to
come here, so maybe my family will be in TN for four generations.
Msg #16294 Dated 7:52:32 08-28-91 16266 <--> 16311
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I should be seeing him within the next two months (D. Price) and
will extend warm regards from you.
Msg #16295 Dated 7:52:37 08-28-91 16272 <--> 16596
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DC
86 miles across the Harry W. Nice Bridge and a run down US301 to
Richmond.
Msg #16296 Dated 7:52:42 08-28-91 16275 <--> 16597
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
One of these days, a table sill show up at your house. Glued under
the leather and padding face down in the contact cement will be the
photo of one of BP's groupies.....
Msg #16297 Dated 7:52:48 08-28-91 16276 <--> 16315
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
You and Scotty have to tool down here before the move. We've got
about two months to do it. I'll be gone west the mid of October to
visit Pete, et al. September looks like about it.
Msg #16298 Dated 7:52:54 08-28-91 16283 <--> 16308
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Seems like to me that the dad was an IDIOT. Didin't they have some
kind of warning on the label?
Msg #16299 Dated 7:52:59 08-28-91 16285 <--> 16317
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: OWENS
I wouldn't mind having an earlier than #11 Owen Supreme catalog tho
Oweb Bros was the between Thayer and Owen Supreme days when Carl and
Emmett Owen owned and ran the company. When is the new H&R List
coming out???
Msg #16300 Dated 10:47:35 08-28-91 16195 <--> 16361
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIRO FOG
Karrll Fox and Duke Stern once predicted an event (didnt' say what
it would be) during an Abbott Get Together. After the show they
told eveyone to meet in the street at a particular well-known
intersection (one of three in Colon?). They did some incantations
and danced about (I have been told) and WHAM... AN ECLIPSE!
Msg #16301 Dated 10:47:43 08-28-91 16199 <--> 16332
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: OWEN BROS CATS
If you collect cat stuff... like a pal o mine back in Ohio.
Msg #16302 Dated 10:47:48 08-28-91 16201 <--> 16321
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
You found out. Just like the Statue of Liberty in NY Harbor, there
is a dupe (not the same size) in France... hey it was the Kermits
that sent it to us... I heard there was a group of magicians in
those days that thought it really looked bad in the harbor and
tried to get it taken down.
The Board of Directors in charge said it was inspired by Betsy
Ross and they didn't want to embarras her by taking it down.
FYI -- if you do the Silk to Egg with a US Flag... try doing the
patter around a tribute to Betsy Ross... hahahahah
Msg #16305 Dated 10:48:08 08-28-91 16205 <--> 16333
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
The Han Ping Chien move discussion BELONGS in "BAD NEWS" if you
don't know how to do it. Once learned, change it to "MIRACLE".
.
How many of you recall the FIRST TIME you saw the coins through
the table? How many were lucky enough for the first time to have
been seeing it done by either Goshman or Slydini?
.
How many of you were totally knocked out, baffled... in pain?
.
Now there is the thrill of magic!
.
It would be fun, for your own pleasure and maybe to share with
others... a list of tricks, that when you first saw them were
caught and nailed! I will start (I have done this a long time ago
in another message, but there are a lot of new names online).
So... the tricks that killed me, fried my brains....
.
Blackstone Sr. doing "Lady Without a Middle"
Harbin doing ZIG ZAG
Slydini doing Han Ping Chien
Kaps doing his Chinese Coins
Phoa Yan Tiong cut and restored silk
Ray Boston doing Twisting the Aces
Frank Shields doing Top Change and Super Count
Doug Henning doing Paul Curry's Walking Knot
Persi Diaconis doing ANYTHING
Don Alan producing the Huge Nut under a hat
David Williamson's Underwear Transposition
(Not fooled but DESTROYED) First time I saw Ballantine!
Rudy Coby "growing"
Sanada producing cards nearly bigger than he is!
Fred Kaps Floating/Dancing Cork
Tony Georgio's 3 Card Monte
Goshman's act
Msg #16307 Dated 10:48:51 08-28-91 16211 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PINK POLYMER
Tongue you very much for that wonderful slippery reply.
Msg #16308 Dated 10:48:55 08-28-91 16230 <--> 16322
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
A message earlier you eluded to a magic dealer going out of
business. I think it was "Rings N Things" -- not sure of the actual
effect, but yes they did close.
Msg #16309 Dated 10:49:02 08-28-91 16231 <--> 16323
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
NUTS TO YOU... I AM GOING TO GET MORE BATTERIES... TALK ABOUT A
LOAD OF DRIVEL... YOU JUST PUT UP ALMOST 100 MESSAGES...
Msg #16310 Dated 10:49:07 08-28-91 16240 <--> 16601
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
The Ramsay Cylinder is IN THE MAIL.... came from the Crypt!
Msg #16311 Dated 10:49:11 08-28-91 16261 <--> 16334
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
If you find an address on Olson, send it to Tabby and tell him it
is the link to Conrad Haden.
Msg #16312 Dated 10:49:17 08-28-91 16262 <--> 16602
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TUBE
Make more thn a couple of what? IMP remember... can't look back to
see what you is talkin about.
Msg #16313 Dated 10:49:22 08-28-91 16273 <--> 16314
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
You talking about the Arnaud project? Joe needs ORIGINALS, plus
there are a lot in European format we don't got... he and Mrs.
Bongers (Fred's widow) via Koornwinder have made an agreement to
produce a "collective" of Kaps for the Greater Magic Video Library.
Much of which has not been seen in the US.
Msg #16314 Dated 10:49:30 08-28-91 16274 <--> 16335
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
gREAT THAT IS WHQAT I THOT, THEN CONFUSED myself as to what city.
They are all alike to me. Airport, Hotel, Show, Airport, Home.
Tabby must be clued in to Helma... he might use here in the Bone
Pony Video!!!!!!!! Go fer it.
Msg #16315 Dated 10:49:37 08-28-91 16276 <--> 16320
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
What did Scotty Market? You talking about the Life Saver stack?
Msg #16317 Dated 10:49:46 08-28-91 16285 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: OWENS
Tab wants Carl Owen catalog. Owen's Supreme is Les Smith's version
of Owen Magic Co. Not the same.
Msg #16318 Dated 10:49:51 08-28-91 16290 <--> 16336
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC IN AC
Jeeeeeeeeesuuuuuuuuuuuusss.. You got a chance to manage Tony Roi?
Holy cow... tabman... you will have more money than WE can handle
if you get going with him!!!!
Msg #16319 Dated 10:49:57 08-28-91 16292 <--> 16337
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Old joke. "Nice to see your back" -- "Huh, what's wrong with my
Back?"
Msg #16320 Dated 10:50:03 08-28-91 16297 <--> 16338
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Wells will finally -- if he is lucky -- get to sample Glo's
Famed and Wonderful Brunswick Stew... hahah
Msg #16321 Dated 10:50:08 08-28-91 16226 <--> 16375
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Have you worked in Hermosa Beach? Mike Close is owner and a real
fan of magic.
Msg #16322 Dated 10:50:13 08-28-91 16228 <--> 16345
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Was he tipping the methods?
Msg #16323 Dated 10:50:18 08-28-91 16231 <--> 16324
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Can we filter out OUR OWN replies?
Msg #16324 Dated 10:50:22 08-28-91 16231 <--> 16339
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
ONe more reply.... CHECK BACK AND SEE WHO POSTS THE MOST 'magic',
routines and or effects here fella!
Msg #16325 Dated 10:50:28 08-28-91 16233 <--> 16559
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
No but the Irish bake potatoes then drink them!
Msg #16326 Dated 10:50:32 08-28-91 16238 <--> 16610
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tell Joe what? I can't go back...
Msg #16327 Dated 10:50:37 08-28-91 16242 <--> 16611
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LAWYERS
To show other persons on line what kind of magic is being done?
Msg #16331 Dated 11:26:01 08-28-91 16289 <--> 16340
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
I don't have the new Harkey book. When you get it, let me know how you
like it.
Msg #16332 Dated 11:27:47 08-28-91 16301 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OWEN BROS CATS
Ooomba hungggga!
Msg #16333 Dated 11:27:50 08-28-91 16305 <--> 16381
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
Ditto on the Williamson underwear transpo. You've seen alla good stuf
already. Cloistered guys like me, lessee;
Doug Henning doing "Things Go Bump....", this one illusion got me rea
ding, reading, reading and getting the old books;
Doc Eason doing the Bill In Lemon. He later tipped me like I knew
already after seeing it a dozen times. I knew it all along;
Michael Ammar using a topit, a devilishly disarming smile here;
Gary Plants doing the Cervon Pass (evidentally he did it to Cervon
too) and anything else;
Lester Lake doing the guillotine at the local college auditorium;
Scotty York doing the frog trick;
Mike Close doing the frog trick;
Frog watching the frog trick;
Sylvester The Jester doing the entire second half of his act, this
got better each time I saw it;
That's enuff isn't it. I'll be naming every real magician on MAGIC!;
but I can't leave out Richardi Jr.'s entire act over 35 years ago
and meeting The Professor and watching Walter Blaney do his pick
pocket comedy for a group of Shriners. This stuff is just for starter
s, so don't get me going on this. I could be here all day and I got
enough stuff to keep me busy these days. Yowsuh!
Msg #16334 Dated 11:28:08 08-28-91 16311 <--> 16612
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Yes, if you can get me Olson's address I'd appreciate it.
Msg #16335 Dated 11:28:12 08-28-91 16314 <--> 16382
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Helma? Hmmmmmm.
Msg #16336 Dated 11:28:15 08-28-91 16318 <--> 16383
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC IN AC
Yes, Tony Roi! The Tony Roi! How cum I never heard of him outside
the Hawaiian Islands til now and he's headlining the show at Harrahs?
I think I'll go up next thursaday and see what the excitement is all
about. Maybe he needs a tabman.
Msg #16337 Dated 11:28:21 08-28-91 16319 <--> 16354
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
There could be room for some afront humor at this point.
Msg #16338 Dated 11:28:24 08-28-91 16320 <--> 16384
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Glo is downstairs packing up piles of paper in the old office/dining
room. All paper is magic stuff somehow and a pile of music papers,
contracts, etc. I realize that I don't have time right now to sit on
piles of magic paper and toss it up in the air, so I'm consenting
to the pack up. Funny how she starts with my mess first. Will have
to eventually convert the barn to a tabman world hdq with no girls
bent on a cleanup allowed. She's brutal. I caught her tossing my
collection of Richard Kaufman letters.
Msg #16339 Dated 11:28:33 08-28-91 16324 <--> 16346
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Geno contributed some good stuff early on also. Will be glad to see
him when he gets back.
Msg #16340 Dated 11:28:44 08-28-91 16331 <--> 16341
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
I was talking about the other Evan who does have the Harkey book,
sorry! With the two of you online now, you guys are gonna have to
decide on a name change. I would suggest both of you changing your name
and letting me have Evan Katz. I have a theory that one of you is David
Copperfield and the other is Harry Blackstone, Jr., anyway. Let's have
the truth!
Msg #16341 Dated 11:36:11 08-28-91 16340 <--> 16342
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Truth is I am COMPLETELY confused! Came back from Hawaii and I can't
figure out what's been going on!
Msg #16342 Dated 11:38:25 08-28-91 16340 <--> 16359
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
The truth is I am COMPLETELY confused as to what's going on! I got
bacfrom Hawaii a couple weeks ago, and can't figure out whetheror not
people are pulling my leg (my guess), or there really is another Evan
Katz who was on this board! Interestingly enough, there IS another
Evan Katz that I know from day camp, many years ago on Long Island.
Hm.
Msg #16344 Dated 12:41:25 08-28-91 -> 16386
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SILK TO EGG
I can see that your creative juices are flowing today, Pete. But I
doubt that the Statue of Liberty would have ever been considered
acceptable had it looked like a pig.
Your telepathological abilities must also be high - I have recently
been thinking of variations on Silk to Egg. But wasn't thinking of a
Betsy Ross theme. I'm reading a biography of Alice Roosevelt Longworth
at the moment and was thinking of doing a tribute to her.
Msg #16345 Dated 12:47:08 08-28-91 16228 <--> 16417
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Hmmm..... Teaching As A Performing Art. Wasn't that a concept created
by Leon Lessinger? And you do bring up a most interesting point about
the storage. I believe that they had that problem with Edison's Menlo
Park lab - it is on public display, but the bottles contained his
original chemicals, many of which had broken down. It took a group of
hazmat specialists about a year to clean the place.
There is a mage here in L.A. - Terry Solomon - who does computer
training for a large aerospace company and he uses magic to illustrate
his classroom sessions.
Msg #16346 Dated 12:57:20 08-28-91 16231 <--> 16347
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Yes! A "read only your own messages" and a "read messages addressed to
you and to ALL" are both currently in test mode. The theory behind the
"ALL" is that most threads start that way. When you are doing an
online read with the new command, you can still use Forward and Back to
peruse the thread that the message started. We're hoping to have the
new features up in a couple of weeks.
Msg #16347 Dated 13:00:37 08-28-91 16232 <--> 16387
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Just got a new book in the mail today - Extremely Weird Frogs from John
Muir Publications in Santa Fe, NM. Some beautiful pictures of some
very unusual species of frogs, such as Triprion spatulatus. The text,
intended for children, is superficial and ecologically preachy, but the
photos are pretty good.
Msg #16348 Dated 13:12:07 08-28-91 16235 <--> 16615
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Just keep in mind, Bucko, Sysops have the power to both forgive AND
forget. Seriously, though, the opinions that I express here on MAGIC!
are my own and not those of the system - except for those times when an
item is specifically identified as MAGIC! policy.
Msg #16349 Dated 13:18:53 08-28-91 16241 <--> 16350
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
I will confess that there have been one or two occassions of late where
I have declined to take a computer with me. It sounds like you had a
good restful trip.
Msg #16350 Dated 13:24:36 08-28-91 16264 <--> 16616
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
I could see everyone taking an hour or two, but four or five days?
That's a bit long to be without MAGIC!, Bill.
Msg #16351 Dated 13:26:47 08-28-91 16244 <--> 16352
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
I'm not sure I completely understand your technique for "squeeze the
Widow" and would really appreciate it if you would elaborate on it.
Msg #16352 Dated 13:28:32 08-28-91 16265 <--> 16388
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Mike mentions in Workers that there really is an amazing tendancy for
the card frogs to leap into people's drinks. He attributes it to their
natural amphibian tendencies. I've seen the same problem with little
mechanical props - I have a bit where a little wind-up walking robot is
supposed to stroll across a card spread. The spectatorsar tld that
he is going to stop on the selected card, but the real idea is that he
is supposed to miss and wander off of the spread completely. Damned if
about half the time the little guy doesn't stop on a card no matter
which way you point him.
Msg #16354 Dated 13:42:11 08-28-91 16263 <--> 16429
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I have no idea what "HOO are you talkin about" has to do with my
message about Sasco producing hook coins and how painful they can be if
picked up the wrong way. May need some further clarification from you.
Msg #16355 Dated 13:45:02 08-28-91 16254 <--> 16390
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
Pete seems to have a good idea with his database referencing a numbered
bin or drawer. Also have to connect up the notes and instructions with
the props and have to keep track of groups of props that go with one
effect. An obvious example used only for illustration would be that I
store thumb tips and silks seperately.
Msg #16356 Dated 13:57:16 08-28-91 16277 <--> 16391
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Argh! (tm - Biro). Was just readin' MAGIC! mail and munchin' my lunch
and got a potato chip stuck in my throat. I've never seen Harvey
Rosenthal perform - how do the singing and the magic work together?
Msg #16357 Dated 14:01:29 08-28-91 16280 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC'S CHILD
Thanks for the info on egg and magic - it is pretty much the way I had
it figured. Sometimes it bugs (layperson context) me though that
science became a typical rebellious child.
Msg #16359 Dated 14:07:45 08-28-91 16341 <--> 16360
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Just how long were you in Hawaii, Evan? And what were you doing at
lunchtime on May 17, 1991?
Msg #16360 Dated 14:07:49 08-28-91 16342 <--> 16380
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
The only person who knows for sure is the Sysop unless both you guys
picked the same password like katzman or something like that. The rea
l Evan Katz has also seen my tatoo and can identify same. Which way i
s the snake's head facing - east or west? Also are you Evan Katz Sr.
or Evan Katz Jr. No, that might not work. I suggest you and Evan
sort it out as the snake he facing south now!
Msg #16361 Dated 14:09:50 08-28-91 16300 <--> 16374
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIRO FOG
Yeah, I've heard about the Fox/Stern bit at an Abbott's Con. This one
is also real - it will actually have more solar coverage (about 12%
more) in the LA/San Diego area than the last one did - but there will
be no total eclipse anywhere.
Msg #16363 Dated 14:16:31 08-28-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MIND BOGGLING MAGIC
Good list, Pete. I'd have to go back and think about it, but I hope
that others will put some lists together - would be most interesting to
see. A couple of items hit me right off the top:
Goshman's act - I NEVER tired of watching it and it was boggling each
time.
The "Len Reid" trick that Stan Lake mentioned - Patter, delivery, etc.
are so great and affect on audience is stunning.
Some of Lance's new stuff - bits and pieces that I've seen.
Ooops! - Phone ringing - more later.
Msg #16367 Dated 15:16:46 08-28-91 -> 16372
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: DUTCHMAN IN LA
MAGIC!-NL Wed 28 Aug 91 19:09
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
One of our fellow dutch magicians, named George Tokaya (a typical
dutch name........) , is visiting LA. Though for business purposes
(he's working in a dutch Hospital, and still doing various studies)
he wants to combine the visit with some magic.
Of course the castle is on his schedule but he asked me to check
what else is going on in the LA area.
He will be in LA between 16 and 23 september.Is alrady known who
will appear in the castle around that time??? Any other places for
hime to visit???
Do one of the magic clubs in that area meet in that week?? He very
much would like to visit one of them.
He does not know if he has time to visit Vegas but I already told
him about Lance Burton's new show, Shimada in Splash (isn't it), the
mirage with S&R. Any other musts?????
Thanks for you help on behalve of George.
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Msg #16368 Dated 15:16:53 08-28-91 -> 16476
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: 'RENDITIONS' TAPES
MAGIC!-NL Wed 28 Aug 91 22:54
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Michael,
Again, I thank you for the video tapes 'Classic Rendtions' you
gave me during the recent FISM convention. You really gave a
different approach to the production of instructional videos.
I am approached to write up video reviews for the dutch Magic
Magazine 'Informagie' and decided to review in the next issue
the 2 tapes I got from you. When the report is finished (end
september) I will send you a translation of it.
Maybe you can supply me with some additional information:
.. do you already have a European distributor???
.. what will be the going price in europe. I understand they
sell in the US very cheap for less than $40,-
.. I have the billswitch and the floating bill tape. Which
other tapes are, or will be, available in the serie??
.. in what timeschedule do you think new tapes will appear?
Thanks for the information,
All the best,
Arnaud
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Msg #16369 Dated 15:17:04 08-28-91 -> 16376
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO TAPE
MAGIC!-NL Wed 28 Aug 91 23:00
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Hope in the meantime you have received the tape I sent you a few
weeks ago, and that you liked the magic that is onit.
This week I met Tommy and he gave me your tape. Thanks. I liked the
magic very much. Whenever you need something else let me know.
Another question. I remarked you had on the side of the tape a
selfmade label. For my collection I have been looking a very long
time for
computer labels that perfectly fit the side of a video cassette.
Wonder where you got it from. Is it normally available in US
computershops???
Thanks,
Arnaud
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Msg #16372 Dated 15:25:45 08-28-91 16367 <--> 16373
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DUTCHMAN IN LA
Tell him to call us and let a couple of the MAGIC! members get to meet
him!
The Castle schedule for the week of Sept. 16 to 22nd (as provided by
the Castle) is:
Close-up Early - John Pooley
Close-up Late - Tom Ogden
Parlour Early - Glenn Falkenstein
Parlour Late - John Carney
Palace - David Avadon
Franz Harary
The Sunday lectures at the Castle (3 p.m.) are:
September 15th - Paul Diamond
September 22nd - Shigeo Futagawa
The lectures are closed to only Magician Members of the Castle, but I'm
sure that if he calls Bill Larsen in advance - (213) 935-9987 -
arrangements can be made for him to attend.
Also, there are some messages already posted about the appearances at
the Comedy & Magic Club in Hermosa Beach starting on Sept. 24th - The
Pendragons, Paul Kozak, and Scott Cervine.
Others may have additional info on magic happenings during that period.
Msg #16373 Dated 15:39:55 08-28-91 16372 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DUTCHMAN IN LA
Also, I noticed from your message that he might be around on September
23rd. There are new shows at the Castle that begin that night - one
the schedule are:
Close-up Early - Dan Fleshman
Close-up Late - Michael Hack
Parlour Early - Chuck Fayne
Parlour Late - Daryl
Palace - JADE
Jim Piper
Mitch Williams
Msg #16374 Dated 15:41:49 08-28-91 16300 <--> 16400
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIRO FOG
The full story is better than that. Apparently, there was a contingent
of Amish people from the surrounding area who had, after years of
hearing about this annual magic convention, decided to attend the gala
show. When Stern & Fox announced that there would be a "special show"
following the gala, outdoors, the Amish joined the rest of the crowd.
Stern & Fox (and probably a few others) came out dressed in feathers
and such, and did their ritual dance... and the moon went away.
The Amish quietly got into their wagons and left. They've never come
back.
Msg #16375 Dated 15:44:11 08-28-91 16321 <--> 16401
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
It's going to come as a real surprise to Mike Close to learn that he
now owns a nightclub in Hermosa Beach. Try again, Pete. (I'll give you
a hint: it starts with an L.)
Msg #16376 Dated 15:45:16 08-28-91 16369 <--> 16399
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEO TAPE
I'm glad to know that the shows I sent were ones that you did not
already own. Was the PAL transfer okay?
Regarding the labels, the only ones I had seen until recently were from
Japan. However, this year Avery (the largest label company) released
videotape labels. They are number 5199; perhaps they are available in
Europe. They are meant to go with Avery's "LabelPro" software, which is
an excellent program, but of course you can also use them with a
typewriter or by handwriting. The labels are somewhat expensive,
because you must buy a full box which includes both spine and top
labels. But they're very convenient.
Msg #16379 Dated 17:23:12 08-28-91 -> 16403
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SQUARE ONE
Max -
Quite by chance, I just discovered that there is a PBS program named
Square One. It seems to show in L.A. on KCET at 5 p.m. Apparently, it
is math education. Today, several of the scenarios featured magic in
various forms - one concerned a court wizard, persumably Merlin,
creating the roundtable. One of the others had an appearance by Harry
Blackstone, Jr. Aside from having the same name as the book you
recently edited, do you know anything about this show?
Msg #16380 Dated 18:08:49 08-28-91 16331 <--> 16385
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
I don't have it either and I already know I don't need it. Have just
moments ago decided to dust off some old ones and get going on them.
.
And would you believe I just INVENTED a new bit with the fast and
loose chain!!! You do the layout with the ONE FINGER telling the
sucker that "See I have not moved my finger yet, put it right
alongside mine in the same loop!" (that move is not new)... then
you say, "OK I'll take this loop" sticking a finger in a small
loop alongside.
.
Of course when you pull the chain, they are LOOSE and they LOSE.
.
Your finger is still inside a loop. A small loop. I have a five
inch loop that can be snuck onto the loop as you lay it out and
put at the overlap... you CANNOT tell it isn't part of the layout.
.
Worth adding to any lecture or book. Makes a killer bit!
Msg #16381 Dated 18:09:09 08-28-91 16333 <--> 16408
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
Yah, Richiardi Jr. doing the bloody buzz saw in a nightclub in
Grenwich Villige, NY... arghh but gooooooooooooooood.
Msg #16382 Dated 18:09:14 08-28-91 16335 <--> 16409
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Ask Wells about Helma the Harmonica playing cook and her nutty
restaurant in Nashville... worth a trip there during MCMConvlave.
I put Mr. Talmadge Crabb on your plane ticket. Let me know if that
is what you want (Vegas to Oakland leg).
Msg #16383 Dated 18:09:21 08-28-91 16336 <--> 16405
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC IN AC
I either saw him on Tonight show or Letterman... probably tonite
show and he was killer!
Msg #16384 Dated 18:09:27 08-28-91 16338 <--> 16411
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
As long as she tossed them into a box labeled "Kaufman Letters" it
is OK.... I say, and will always say, LABEL THE DOO DOO OUT OF ANY
BOXES YOU ALL PACK.
Msg #16385 Dated 18:09:33 08-28-91 16340 <--> 16412
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Why not one Evan Katz and one Odd Katz?
Msg #16386 Dated 18:09:37 08-28-91 16344 <--> 16397
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SILK TO EGG
Before you conclude the magic sleight switch part of the Sucker Egg,
let me know what you are thinking... I have some VERY incredible
work on this... No phoney moves, no two eggs in one hand... I mean
the real way to do it...
Msg #16387 Dated 18:09:44 08-28-91 16347 <--> 16600
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I understand they are so realistic the reader is warned to not kiss
any of the pages.
Msg #16388 Dated 18:09:50 08-28-91 16351 <--> 16389
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I wouldn't mind being squeezed by a few widows I have met. They
own nice houses, airplanes and condos... aha
Msg #16389 Dated 18:09:55 08-28-91 16352 <--> 16433
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
OK, Biro style... Cards are spread from A to Z (line below)
A-----------------------Z (r) (X)
(r) is Robot.
(X) is direction Robot is aimed. Don't make it difficult!
Msg #16390 Dated 18:10:02 08-28-91 16355 <--> 16435
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
I have just devised a system where I attach a 30 foot string to
each prop, and at end of string is a card with name of trick. I
have them in another room. When I want a trick, I look at the tags
on the end of strings and pull the prop in from the other room.
Do you think this is marketable?
Msg #16391 Dated 18:10:10 08-28-91 16356 <--> 16622
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Boy, having seen Harvey... are you serious? I thought he has a bad
speech impedement? Clarify this william, or did the horse bite you?
Msg #16397 Dated 18:11:06 08-28-91 16344 <--> 16431
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SILK TO EGG
Funny... just out driving and got behind, you guessed it, a BMW,
with vanity plate "GODS BMW" --- Guess wht the license frame had on
it? "Calif. Leasing" har har....
Msg #16399 Dated 18:12:03 08-28-91 16369 <--> 16407
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEO TAPE
How are we doing on the Kaps tapes for Joe Stevens? He asked.
Msg #16400 Dated 18:12:08 08-28-91 16374 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BIRO FOG
Great to hear the 'REST OF THE STORY' -- those guys were priceless!
Msg #16401 Dated 18:12:14 08-28-91 16375 <--> 16406
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Hey... my mind is ok, it's my fingers that can't spell! Har...
AS they say, "Quote the Maven Never More!" Whatever that means.
Msg #16403 Dated 18:53:50 08-28-91 16379 <--> 16414
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SQUARE ONE
The math series is a few years old. The Blackstone pieces were put
together by Charles Reynolds; I believe they were all taped at the
outset of the series, and no new ones have been done since. I have seen
the show a few times; it's far too precious for my tastes, reflecting
an unfortunately common notion that kids will only enjoy learning if it
is sugar-coated.
The series title bears no relationship to the book title; in fact, it
was Mike Caveney who suggested using "Square One" -- I had used a
different title, which Stan discarded in favor of that.
Msg #16405 Dated 19:11:59 08-28-91 16290 <--> 16410
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC IN AC
Have not gotten in touch with Hal, but will advise as soon as I do.
Msg #16406 Dated 19:12:52 08-28-91 16321 <--> 16425
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Not yet. Would like to finish a video tape before I approach the
better venues. Thanks for the tip. I will surely approach them. I
also should be able to gig at Magic Island both Newport and Houston.
Hope things are well on your end. I am planning on doing that Vegas
thing on Oct. 9. Look forward to hitching up and meeting. Talk at you
later. Off to the Castle for a dose of magic. MIKE.
Msg #16407 Dated 19:44:14 08-28-91 16376 <--> 16446
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO TAPE
Is the label-pro program avail in stores or from Avery? I too was imp
ressed with the vid label. Will it handle audio cassettes? Am trying
to find a new copy of Partch's_Delusion....for you and will sooner or
later.
Msg #16408 Dated 19:44:21 08-28-91 16381 <--> 16599
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
On Sept 26, Bone Pony is playing a gig in the Village right around
the corner from the _Mostly Magic_ restaurant. If am early enuff I'll
take diner there.
Msg #16409 Dated 19:44:27 08-28-91 16382 <--> 16603
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Mr. Talmadge Crabb works for me.
Msg #16410 Dated 19:44:32 08-28-91 16383 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC IN AC
Tony is a great looking kid. Would make a dynamite magish with his
look. That reminds me, I have to callem and letum know I'm coming.
Tony was prob on Tonight since it is closer to Hawaii.
Msg #16411 Dated 19:44:38 08-28-91 16384 <--> 16598
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Since we're able to take a month or so to pack we should be able
to get labeled pretty good. Concerned about not taking any old dust
with us as the farm in TN is dusty enuff.
Msg #16412 Dated 19:44:44 08-28-91 16385 <--> 16450
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Who is Evan and who is Odd is the question of the day. I'm starting
to believe there are actually more than one of em.
Msg #16414 Dated 19:45:02 08-28-91 16403 <--> 16441
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SQUARE ONE
Any chance of hearing what the Maven's tenitive title was? Enjoyed
the book, especially O Wonder and the inside out match book that
kicked the book off. Unf, the book wasn't too well put together
and came apart on the first read through much like the old Garcia
books, bad glue or something.
Msg #16417 Dated 20:28:25 08-28-91 16229 <--> 16419
From: GARY PLANTS
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I remember hearing this story also. The company I believe was
"Rings and Things" and the chemical was a mercury compound
(either mecuric chloride or mecuric oxide). It was used in an
effect called heat. This chemical is also found on the back of
matches sold in magic shops called snake matches. If you scrape
off the white powder on the back of the snake match and have it
on your fingertips when it is rubbed onto a slightly damp piece of
aluminum foil, the foil will become extremely HOT. This chemical
is poisonous by ingestion so you must use extreme care if you
choose to do this. Do wash your hands immediately afterwards. I
assume it may be possible for this to be absorbed through the skin
and that is why you may not wish to do this.
Msg #16418 Dated 20:28:39 08-28-91 -> 16424
From: GARY PLANTS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MOVE
Ee;16173
Tabby, I tried to call last night and got a message that said that
this is no longer a working number. Are you moving, do you have a
new phone number, or what. I called your fax number and it was
still working but I don't have a fax machine so it wouldn't take
my voice messages. S---!!! Want to talk sometime in the near
future. I'm back to school now so if you call, make it late
evening. See ya later. Watched the tapes yet?
Msg #16419 Dated 20:38:50 08-28-91 16417 <--> 16420
From: DOUG SMITH
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Thanks for the information. It was what I had hoped to find but was
not sure if I could get the exact chemicals. I will give you credit
when I use these thoughts. For me the MAGIC group have provided a
resource that is not available any other way.
Msg #16420 Dated 20:42:25 08-28-91 16283 <--> 16421
From: DOUG SMITH
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Thanks for the support and information. See messages 16417 and16419.
Msg #16421 Dated 20:44:28 08-28-91 16291 <--> 16422
From: DOUG SMITH
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
I really enjoy the kids going to college as they usually have a lot
knowledge and useful insights. i would not be using the computer on
this system without their advice and ability to order, set up, and
instructions.
Msg #16422 Dated 20:47:13 08-28-91 16308 <--> 16423
From: DOUG SMITH
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
thanks for the help. messages16417 and 16419 expand on the topic.
Msg #16423 Dated 20:49:10 08-28-91 16345 <--> 16443
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
My education has been incomplete, who is Leon Lessinger? Thanks for
the input on MENLO pARK. This thread has been useful to me and the
system provides input that I may not find any other way. For me the
fee has been a good investment.
Msg #16424 Dated 20:56:37 08-28-91 16418 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: MOVE
Gary, call me at (301) 884-8484. I had the 800 number canned after
it showed up on some Bone Pony promo and the girls started calling
all day and all night. Couldn't afford it anymore. Put call Gary on
my tomorrow's list of stuff to do. Looking 4ward to talking to you.
Msg #16425 Dated 21:36:00 08-28-91 16151 <--> 16430
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Mike,
I've been leafing through old Genii's tonight and came across
something you might like. June 91 has an ad for Dove Archery by
Harlin Magic, Cambridge, MN. Their $875.00 price includes very
light draw weight compound bow, sights, mechanical release, and
gimmicked target with video instructions.
The effect seems to be that you pop a balloon fastened to the
target and a live dove appears perched on the arrow shaft (ala
balloon to dove tray?). They almost imply "no skill required" but
I know better. I've tried releases and they seem to be even more
critical than good ole' fingers.
Thought you might want to check it out.
David (the other one)
Msg #16429 Dated 21:49:47 08-28-91 16268 <-
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
No, I use four coins in coins across. The last one is hard to explain
so I left it out. Involves a french drop out of a shell, etc.
Msg #16430 Dated 22:10:08 08-28-91 16425 <--> 16474
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Thanks David. I am, as mentioned before always looking for new stuff.
The only thing that would keep me from doing this is thdove. I was a
dove guy for many years and just hate doing animals. Me motto now: NO
ANIMALS AND NO KIDS. Funny coming from a guy with two children and a
lover of all animals. But they are just too much trouble. Thanks
anyway for the tip. Would like to sit and talk abit more about archery
in general. Do you resi in L.A.? If not, where might the police have
record of your driving permit? Just trying to make sure i do all this
correctly. I write/direct films and always do mucho research to make
sure i have the details correct. Want to do the same with the new
magic act. Thanks again. Talk at ya later. MIKE.
Msg #16431 Dated 22:22:18 08-28-91 16386 <--> 16432
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SILK TO EGG
I definitely want to see your Sucker Egg bit. Perhap when we see each
other? Bring egg.
Msg #16432 Dated 22:25:10 08-28-91 16397 <--> 16454
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SILK TO EGG
Pete's reference to BMW's in Message # 16397 is the result of a private
conversation we had been having regarding leased BMW's and fake
cellular phones. As I'm sure Pete will confirm, by not seeing the
original conversation you have missed ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
My reply to Pete, which I hope will end this particular bit, is that
G-d does NOT drive a BMW and that the car has clearly been leased by an
impostor. Everyone knows that G-d drives a Plymouth.
Msg #16433 Dated 22:31:56 08-28-91 16388 <--> 16434
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Some of 'em (the widows), however, appear to have worked hard for those
things.
Msg #16434 Dated 22:33:33 08-28-91 16389 <--> 16455
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
An interesting idea for aiming the robot, but the effect pretty well
requires that it appear that you are seriously expecting it to find the
selected card. And when the first robot doesn't work, you swap it for
a second walking toy object (I use a "better" robot - the first is
white, the second is identical except silver). Both have to fail in a
fairly believable manner. (Actually, no matter what happens, both WILL
fail - selected card is long gone).
Msg #16435 Dated 22:36:34 08-28-91 16390 <--> 16457
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
Actually, Pete, the string selection technique is TERRIFIC - only DO
NOT TAG the strings! Now you can assemble routine with three random
tricks. If you have too many tricks in the other room, you can
accomplish the same thing by printing out all of the titles from the
trick database onto sheets of paper, sticking these to the wall and
throwing three darts - the three titles closest to the darts become
your new act.
Msg #16441 Dated 22:51:43 08-28-91 16403 <--> 16447
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SQUARE ONE
Thanks for the info on the two Square One's, Max. I'd never seen the
show before and hit it today at random. Actually, the show looks far
too sugar-coated to be a hit with the intended audience either!
Msg #16443 Dated 22:56:58 08-28-91 16423 <--> 17327
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: STAGE FOG
Thanks for the kind words about MAGIC! It is nice to know that the
tool is working for folks.
Leon Lessinger, now retired, was the Superintendent of the Stockton
School District, the Superintendent of the Beverly Hills School
District, the Dean of the College of Education at the University of
South Carolina, and the Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Dept. of Health,
Education, and Welfare before Education became a Dept. During his
years at Carolina I believe that he, along with some others, created a
videotape series called "Teaching as a Performing Art." You might call
the College of Education there to see if it is still available.
Msg #16446 Dated 23:12:59 08-28-91 16407 <--> 16448
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO TAPE
The software package, which includes sample sheets of various label
styles, is pretty easy to find in computer supply stores. The specific
types of labels can be more obscure, but I'm sure you can order them
directly from Avery. Yes, they are now making labels designed for
audiocassettes. The program allows you to build a database, as well as
one-time designs. It allows a wide range of sizes in two fonts, which
can be made bold or italic, and includes a lot of graphic icons, too.
I recently came across an augmentary program (by another company, but
expressly for use with the Avery program) that provides several extra
fonts, dingbats and graphics. Haven't bothered to buy this, so I can't
comment on its quality.
Msg #16447 Dated 23:19:16 08-28-91 16414 <--> 16452
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SQUARE ONE
I'll hold on to the unused title for a future project. Glad you liked
the book; I was pleased with the results, particularly given the
extremel tight schedule (exactly one month between proposal and
finished product). By the way, there are three jokes in the "O, Wonder"
write-up; did you find them?
Msg #16448 Dated 23:22:05 08-28-91 16446 <--> 16475
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEO TAPE
Max, does the AVERY program for videotapes include a filing database?
And is there a laser printer version?
Msg #16450 Dated 23:23:11 08-28-91 16412 <--> 16461
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Kats'll getcha every time...
Msg #16452 Dated 23:23:23 08-28-91 16414 <--> 16478
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SQUARE ONE
Glue probably was still wet!
Msg #16454 Dated 23:23:31 08-28-91 16432 <--> 16462
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SILK TO EGG
I thought he/she drove a DeSoto!
Msg #16455 Dated 23:23:35 08-28-91 16434 <--> 16456
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
You convinced me!
Msg #16456 Dated 23:23:39 08-28-91 16434 <--> 16464
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I do a bit with Sid Lorraine's "THE EYES HAVE IT" where you show
it with all fifty two cards displayed. You turn it around so the
52 cards are to rear (so audience cannot see them) and announce
you will shoot this rubber sucker projectile from the toy gun and
hit the card.
First shot goes straight up and sticks to ceiling.... then the
second shot hits the board... when you turn it around the 52 cards
have changed to ONE GIANT card and of course the shot did hit it!
Msg #16457 Dated 23:23:49 08-28-91 16435 <--> 16466
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
I was hoping you didn't catch on to the real work!
Msg #16461 Dated 23:50:00 08-28-91 16359 <--> 16463
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
I left for Hawaii sometime in the first two weeks in May -- I'm
almost positive it was before the seventeenth. Will look up tickets.
That being the case, I imagine I was lying out in the sun with my
wife, pretending to do work for her dad!
Why do you ask, Tabby?
Msg #16462 Dated 23:53:50 08-28-91 16454 <--> 16492
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SILK TO EGG
Became too hard to get parts for the DeSoto.
Msg #16463 Dated 23:51:42 08-28-91 16360 <--> 16481
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Unfortunately, Tabby, this wrinkle about the password may be
my undoing. The password is, without getting more specific,
rather obvious -- like I read all those rules on how NOT to choose
a password, and decided to go against them. Definitely something
someone else who was impersonating me could figure out -- something
to do with the name itself.
As to your tatoo, I can't say I've had the pleasure. As to the Evan
Katz Sr. and Jr, theory, I don't think this helps me. My father's name
is not Evan. There is, as I think I mentioned, another Evan Katz that
I know of, who I went to summer camp with (but never knew). Frankly,
I'm so confused by this whole thing that I don't know if I'm being
ribbed or not.
Msg #16464 Dated 23:55:21 08-28-91 16456 <--> 16485
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Sounds good! I've always saved one of those fifty-two on one cards for
a pull-out if a card effect fails. You can always have it in your
pocket and do the bit of asking their card and producing it from the
pocket.
Msg #16466 Dated 23:57:30 08-28-91 16457 <--> 16486
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
Of course I caught on! It's the same method I've been using for years!
Actually, it is how I organize presentations - I dump a bunch of the
shoeboxes into a big pile on the table and go "this," "not this," etc.
until I get it down to 16 or 17 effects - then I stick 'em in my
pockets and go do the show. Pulling 'em out at random makes it more
interesting for me and as I finish each effect I drop the props into a
cardboard box on the sage. now I'm done when my pockets are empty.
Msg #16470 Dated 0:31:40 08-29-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-49
The forty-ninth set of MAGIC! messages - #14000 (August 13, 1991)
to #14499 (August 15, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-49.TXT. This means that you can now
go to the file area, download this file, and read the forty-ninth
volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the
PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed
version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-49.ZIP and is less
than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #16471 Dated 0:45:25 08-29-91 -> 16483
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW BOOKS FOR SALE
Burt Carpenter has posted a new list of books and videos for sale.
Burt is very kind in donating 10% of the sales to MAGIC! to help
support it. He also offers you a cost savings as well. His new list
is in the files area as BOOKSALE.TXT Take a look at it!
Msg #16475 Dated 3:23:51 08-29-91 16448 <-
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO TAPE
Yes to both questions.
Msg #16476 Dated 5:31:40 08-29-91 16368 <--> 16506
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: 'RENDITIONS' TAPES
Hello Arnaud! I don't have a European distributor for the Classic
Renditions yet, although I do have Vol. 1 and Vol. 3 in PAL. My
current plan is to try and arrange for voice overs for each of the
tapes in German, French, and Japanese, so that the series isn't limited
to those that speak English, but this won't happen before next year.
The price for the PAL version is $40 per tape, and you get both volumes
for $75. (This is slightly higher than the U.S. price, because of the
extra cost of coversion.)
.
The third tape in the series - actually released as Vol. 2, (The
numbering sequence is my own idea. Do you like it?) - will be on
Rubber Band magic, and will also feature John Cornelius's Disappearing
Nickle. (Also known as Fickle Nickle) You will also receive the
Vanishing Nickle FREE with the video. This will probably be released
in September, and features a special swimming pool segment filmed at
fellow MAGIC! user, David Luther's swimming pool. You'll also see
cameo appearances of a dozen or so local SAM club members in the back
ground.
.
Sorry I wasn't able to go into my thoughts on learning with video when
the topic came up earlier. I think this is an important topic with
many considerations, and when I return later in September I'd like to
find time to address it.
.
Now, unfortunately, isn't the time. Hannah and I leave for Tokyo
today, and while Hannah gets to return early in September, I have to
travel straight to West Palm Beach, then to Nw York, finally Memphis,
and I return home September 13th. Then into the studio to finish a
video project, before finishing the month with the Health Industry
Distributors Association Trade show, and the American Association of
Family Physicians Trade show. So in the next 30 days I'm basically
working on my Frequent Flyer Program more than anything else!
.
See you, and all the guys on MAGIC! when I get back! As an aside to
(sysop), good luck with the subscriptions - I know you have some
exciting things planned!
.
To David (the other one) - maybe I'll see you and Scott at the HIDA in
Vegas! Hope so!
Msg #16478 Dated 7:42:29 08-29-91 16447 <--> 16625
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SQUARE ONE
One month between proposal and finished. Good grief! Yeah, "O, Wonder
is good. The more I think about it, the more I like it. As far as
jokes are concerned, I think you are the doer now.
Msg #16481 Dated 7:42:46 08-29-91 16461 <--> 16482
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Which side of the USA do you live on?
Msg #16482 Dated 7:42:50 08-29-91 16463 <--> 16568
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
I really don't have the tatoo anymore. I had it removed by a laser
surgeon in Boston some years ago. Left no traces.
Msg #16483 Dated 7:42:55 08-29-91 16471 <--> 16491
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS FOR SALE
I went to an award presentation last night at St. Mary's landing for
a guy I've known for a while. They had a raffle ticket sale. The
prize: A USED CAR!
Msg #16484 Dated 8:49:14 08-29-91 -> 16507
From: PETE BIRO
To: ER
Re: NOT THAT IT IS RELEVANT,
kid LEON NOEL - spell it backwards!
Msg #16485 Dated 8:49:21 08-29-91 16464 <--> 16500
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I guess you don't understand Sid Lorrainne's THE EYES HAVE IT.
It is a two fold board, when opened about 14x22. One one side you
show two giant EYES, the other shows 52 cards. In the act of
turning it around the 52 card side becomes a single gigantic card
(the chosen, of course). It was marketed by Ken Brooke... is great
and Joe Stevens still has a few of them left.
Msg #16486 Dated 8:49:30 08-29-91 16466 <--> 16501
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
Funny thing about this thread... you probbly think I am kidding.
Msg #16491 Dated 8:50:36 08-29-91 16483 <--> 16497
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS FOR SALE
Doesn't sound like you won it.
At the Showman's League (Carnival Operators Convention) in Las
Vegas - held in Dec every year - the door prizes are Cadillacs.
I was at one party and they drew a ticket and gave one of the
Caddies away... Jay (Marshall) said... holy cow that is the THIRD
CADDILAC THAT GUY HAS WON....
Msg #16492 Dated 8:50:45 08-29-91 16462 <--> 16503
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SILK TO EGG
Davidoooo.... it looks like tabman and I will be going to Lance
Burton's SECOND show on 9 Oct. (a Wed -- he is off Tues) -- ifn'
anyone else on MAGIC! Can make it... great... the key is to make
the reservation for second show. It is at the Hacienda, which is
about 1/2 mile toward LA, on the strip, from the Tropicana just
past the Excaliber. Mebbe can get a lower room rate if I know how
many are coming in... Need about a weeks notice...
What I will work on as well, is to get members of MAGIC! set up to
use the "invited guests" line... this way no wait. And sort the
head waiter out to seat all in one section. The main thing is for
each to TIP the guy... TIP FIRST TO HEAD WAITER... for each pair
of folks $5 will do it. The show is only around $15 so no big deal
and has not been selling out so same day call for res's will
probably be OK... but if you wanna call ahead it is 1-800-634-6655
I will be in touch with Lance... mebbe all can join him after the
final show in the Coffee Shop. Depends on how many attending.
Msg #16497 Dated 9:32:23 08-29-91 16491 <--> 16499
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS FOR SALE
The drawing is on Labor Day. Two years ago I was the entertainment
chairman for the event which is a tie in with the Jerry Lewis tele-
thon. I hope I win the Plymouth Fury. Last year I won two pieces of
carpet remnant. They really know how to do it here in St. Marys Co.
I'd like to win a used Ford tractor. I understand there is a magician
working this years event. If I have time, I'll drop by. This is
scarey. Most around here don't know my tie to magic which is fine
with me.
Msg #16499 Dated 10:05:41 08-29-91 16483 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS FOR SALE
I have no idea what the prize being a used car has to do with the fact
that Burt Carpenter just posted BOOKSALE.TXT, a list of new books and
videos, but OK, you must have something in mind.
The idea of raffling a used car sounds like something the Arleta
Chamber of Commerce would come up with - only, in this neighborhood, it
would already have the hubcaps missing (and might even have been stolen
to begin with). Arleta is also known as "The Beverly Hills of
Pacoima," which means that in this area, when they redecorate your
face, they use a Michelob bottle.
By the way, yesterday a guy in Beverly Hills rented a LIMO and had the
driver take him from place to place while he was doing BURGLARIES.
True! The limo driver got suspicious after a while - thought the guy
was doin' drug deals - and called in and had the police meet them when
they returned. They got the guy with all the loot in a suitcase.
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