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Msg #16500 Dated 10:16:30 08-29-91 -> 16618
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
You are right - I haven't seen it (The Eyes Have It). I have a Joe
Steven's thing that is a sort of large 3-Card Monte with a sliding back
that eventually becomes a singly large card, but, in truth, I've never
used it. Every once in a while I think about it though.
Msg #16501 Dated 10:20:35 08-29-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORGANIZATION
Funny - you probably think I am kidding too! What I described to you
is actually how I do SPEECHES. I take every overhead transparency I've
ever done and sort 'em into two piles, exactly like the trick bit I
described. The overheads are eventually sorted into a speech and, in
effect, they also become my lecture notes. If I drop the pile on the
way in, I'm dead. I'm doing one in Oxnard on Sept. 12th for a special
combined meeting of the Data Processing Managers Association and the
Association for Computing Machines (ACM) if you want to see how it
works.
Msg #16503 Dated 10:28:29 08-29-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SILK TO EGG
This sounds like a GREAT IDEA, PETE. MAGIC! with Lance Burton! OK, if
anyone is interested, leave Pete a message here on MAGIC! - the SECOND
SHOW on Oct. 9th - will let you know if I can be there.
Msg #16506 Dated 10:37:24 08-29-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: 'RENDITIONS' TAPES
Just in case you get to log on between Tokyo and West Palm Beach, WPB
is my old stompin' grounds - met Anita there.
Msg #16507 Dated 10:38:49 08-29-91 16484 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NOT THAT IT IS RELEVANT,
You got any idea what message #16484 was all about? You addressed it
to someone named "ER" who isn't a member of the system, it is on a
thread named "Not that it is relevant," and it consists of what looks
like about 1/2 of a one liner. Other than that, it is OK.
Msg #16509 Dated 12:54:41 08-29-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SALE
i AM GOING TO POST A FOR SALE LIST IN A MINUTE WAS GOING TO NOW BUT MY
PARAMETERS are set wrong for an upload... have to go fix. Bye.
Msg #16510 Dated 12:59:44 08-29-91 -> 16516
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SALE!
HOT LIST... HOT LIST...
Am about to put some stuff on the sell block and wanted to give
first shot here on MAGIC! I have not had time to look for the
prices, but want to put the list up here before I ship the lot to
a magic shop friend who will take the stuff off my hands.
.
ANY INTEREST LET ME KNOW ASAP AS I DON'T WANT TO KEEP THE STUFF
CLUTTERING UP THE DINING ROOM TABLE.
.
Thayer double-locking Jap Box. I don't know how to unlock one
side, but I am sure someone knows and can help here. Beautiful
woodwork.
Large Owen Supreme brass rice bowls. Self contained load of
water, no disks, no flaps.
Merv Taylor made "stamped logo" very rare, HASKELL MONEY MAKING
MACHINE.
"Demon" (Davenport) Omelet Pan for cake or omelette in hat. Now
that people wear hats again a modern trick!
Paul Fox Rising cards, with houlette, gaff and instructions.
Merv Taylor Flash Rising Card Houlette (stripper deck principle).
Six Foolers with the Miniature Skull (Eddie Joseph mss.) with
Skull for Nord's Skull-O-Cation card effect.
Mint Condition Joseph Silk Vanishing Gun.
Brema Utility tube -- brass.
Owen Magic Supreme Silk Cabby. Red, black and Blue.
Vampire Magic (England) "Smoking your thumb" gimmick. Real
collector's item. I don't like the electric lighter setup but the
smoking gimmick is beautiful. No chemicals, uses cigarette butt.
Morla's car. Clear plastic version of Koornwinder Kar.
Two German "Manipulator's Appearing Canes". Metal.
HIMBER'S TOPPER...hate to let go, but I don't use it... this is a
precision metal card box used for the effect that has a razor
blade dropped in with the deck and all the cards becomes cut up
into little pieces except the chosen one. Has other uses. Chrome
and gold embossed Morroco leathr covered!
Bob Read Scissors change to pair of glasses.
Paul Fox Salt Gimmicks, two, one large ala Fred Kaps, second is
smaller for close up.
Brema type Nut and Bolt (Nut comes apart to get off string held
by spectators). Also second Nut only, English made.
4x5-inch Massey Slate -- beautiful.
Steve Dushek's Diminishing Card deck. Specially printed cards.
Grant Original Flat Model Money making machine (rare)!
Slate, held vertical, about 6x18 sliding panel for predictions.
Supreme Magic (England) Paper Tear "Rabbit Return" Free with
first person to buy 2 or more items! Wowso...
Tannen's "Room for Doubt" Mystery with tape recorded voice to
make moves. Very popular in the 70s. Mint condition (I used
another version).
Owen (Les Smith) made fire bowl with dove pan type lid. Surefire,
no chemicals (except lighter fluid).
Wooden (painted) Nest of Boxes. I think is Berg made. Simple one
man... there is a slot in the back of all the boxes you can fit a
watch into. As the final box comes out the back shuts and locks.
Doc Albo has the same set in his collection.
Original 'BUMA' Cube-A-Libre -- funny routine where numbered
blocks change to order of second stack. A classic effect.
Msg #16515 Dated 13:50:47 08-29-91 -> 16527
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: M A G I C
The long wait is over, from the first "scoop" announcement here on
MAGIC! to this, the first anywhere review. M A G I C - An
Independent Magazine For Magicians has hit the streets, or at least
this street, today. An extremely sophisticated cover with a very
intense photo of Lance Burton. The cover is so strong that it takes
a few moments to realize that you are looking at a magazine.
Inside is the cover story on Lance's new show by Mac King, a FISM
report by Stan Allen, "Magic's Fabulous Baker Boys" by Mark Walker,
an article on who's performing where and what to see of magical
interest in Massachusetts by David Oliver, and nine columns - From
The Editor by Stan Allen, Letters, Parallax by Max Maven, an
Editorial by Jeff McBride, Inside Magic - a three page news feature
similar to the old newsletter, Step-By-Step - eight pages of tricks
by Richard Kaufman, Product Reviews by Michael Weber, the Lighter
Side - this time an article by Dana Daniels and Laura Saylor, and
Finally - a features column with an article on the magic done aboard
the Space Shuttle. 48-pages in all.
The new magazine is defined in Stan's Editorial column, "Part of the
reason for publishing this magazine is to have an effect on the
ever-changing world of magic. Hopefully, make a statement, raise a
question, create a stir that evokes some serious thinking about our
entertainment art. For too long, the let's-try-to-please-everybody
theory has reigned supreme in magic. I'm _not_ looking to please
everybody every month. I _am_ looking to cover the art of magic,
good and bad."
Does the magazine measure up to that statement? Hard to tell from
just the first issue - we'll have to see. But there is certainly
something a bit renegade, a bit avant-garde about the look and feel
of this first issue of M A G I C. And there is probably enough
diversity to actually appeal to almost everyone in magic.
The opening salvo, after the Editorial, is Parallax by Max Maven.
This month Max covers "the metaphysical state of doveness" (I am a
sucker for lines like that!) along with some semi-inside admitted
cattyness - "Meow Mix - Dear Michael: The big book is very nice,
but isn't thirty-five a tad young for a career restrospective?" A
column in which Max is clearly going to be Max - no holds barred -
just like he is here on MAGIC! The veiled references are a bit
reminicent of the Conversazione in the Englishwoman's Domestic
Magazine of the 1860's - "A young lady of sixteen sends us 'A
Sunbeam', and begs us to be lenient. We will, by saying nothing;
bat, at the same time, requesting her not to do it again." But my
bet is that just like computer folks begin reading PC Magazine by
turning first to Dvorak's column, M A G I C readers will first turn
to Parallax.
Inside Magic is actually inside M A G I C. The same up to the
deadline news that was so great in the old newsletter, this time
including a shocking revelation of a potentially fatal disease that
one can get from working with doves! The news will be a bit slower
since even inserting it at the last minute takes a few days longer
than what a newsletter could deliver but the three pages are still
pretty "hot" (there is even a story about MAGIC! going
subscription). I miss the television listings and the resorts
listings, but maybe they are only out of this first issue - don't
know.
Throughout the magazine there is good layout, great photos,
excellent illustrations in the tricks, and a very nice "look." The
typestyle, spacing, etc. is clean, clear and easy, although I don't
care for the "jaggies" on some of the computer created headlines.
I haven't had a chance to digest all of the other articles and
columns yet; maybe someone else here on MAGIC! will comment on
those. But I would say that the overture promises a great show!
Msg #16516 Dated 13:56:47 08-29-91 16510 <--> 16517
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SALE!
I would certainly be interested in the Paul Fox Rising Cards. Please
let me know the price when you figure it out.
Msg #16517 Dated 13:56:52 08-29-91 16510 <--> 16518
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SALE!
Likewise the Merv Taylor Houlette.
Msg #16522 Dated 17:23:17 08-29-91 16516 <--> 16523
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SALE!
The Paul Fox Rising Cards, eh? Well... too late. It has already
been taken and shipped to Kraborg!
Msg #16523 Dated 17:23:23 08-29-91 16517 <--> 16525
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SALE!
Now that is the expensive one. I will send you a private message
regarding the cost!
Msg #16526 Dated 17:23:49 08-29-91 -> 16530
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: WHAT DO IT DO?
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I have just uncovered a small box, wooden, beautifully made, painted
black. Inlaid in one corner is a small Domino.
.
In the box are two pairs of Dominos showing a 5 and a 2. There is
also a fake Domino (does not fit in box, is added or switched in)
that shows the 2s on one side and 5s on other side.
.
I think it is made by Eddy Taytelbaum.
.
Anyone know what the routine or routines MIGHT BE?
Msg #16527 Dated 17:24:03 08-29-91 16515 <--> 16532
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: M A G I C
Good review... I had seen a copy for a minute (Lance had one in his
dressing room) but I didnt' get a chance to read it.
.
Nice thing I did NOTE was a full page ad from the Larsen Family,
Genii, that is.... wishing Stan Success and hope that he would
enjoy his magazine as much as they have thiers!
.
That is CLASS!
Msg #16528 Dated 17:24:17 08-29-91 -> 16562
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: NEMO 6
Found the instructions for that strange coin box in the red purse.
It is a "betting" game, the sucker tries to guess if the coin is heads
or tails... some very sublte handlings and a triple chance to win on
the final go... which is the quarter does get rid of the gaff at the
end as we thought... but Ken's handling etc. is clever. You load the
shim onto the half under a dollar bill.
So there you go.... also found the quarter size set of Okito Okorto?
boxes and the Kaps routine and the Kaps large chinese coin stuff and
instructions... what a day... opened up only two cartons!
Msg #16530 Dated 17:27:54 08-29-91 16526 <--> 16536
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT DO IT DO?
Check the Tannen catalogs from the 1960s; they used to carry this. I
can't remember the title, but it was a rather nice transposition
routine. If memory serves, the origination was British.
Msg #16532 Dated 17:30:32 08-29-91 16527 <--> 16537
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: M A G I C
I agree - the Larsen/Genii add is a touch of class. I didn't mention
it simply because it didn't seem to fit with my review.
Msg #16534 Dated 18:00:47 08-29-91 16523 <--> 16540
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SALE!
I started thinking about the Merv Taylor name and figured it would
be expensive. Maybe I'd better not ask.
Msg #16536 Dated 18:01:00 08-29-91 16526 <--> 16542
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT DO IT DO?
There is an Eddy Taytelbaum effect called Dizzy Dominos which is
listed in Albo #7. Is this it? PS. I don't have the Albo book but
found it in a list of Taytelbaum stuff for sale at $300. I think
Howie bought it. He might know, but don't think he's signing on
MAGIC! anymore. Howie is on CIS.
Msg #16537 Dated 18:01:07 08-29-91 16527 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: M A G I C
I had heard that the Larsens had put such an ad in _Magic_ though I
haven't seen it.
Msg #16540 Dated 20:00:37 08-29-91 16534 <--> 16547
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SALE!
dONT' ASK..,.... see email?!#(@&*$^#%
Msg #16542 Dated 20:01:04 08-29-91 16536 <--> 16545
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT DO IT DO?
didn't know there was a book titled ALBO 7... Will go look onlyh
thought there were five books... duh... hold it a minute....
YIKES there is even an ALBO VIII. i didn't know VII WAS 7. DUH.
Yep the Dizzy Domino WITH ROUTINE is in there and a snapshot of
the very same prop is included.
YOU DID IT... WHAT AN EYE !!!
And I couln't believe how much of the Martin Stuff in the Albo
book 'USED TO BE MINE' .... arghh... But good thing. One of them
IS STILL MINE and I got to call and get it back. A holdout made
by Martin. I also shot a lot of the old black and white pix of
the Martin stuff when I was in England at Les Cole's house. The
aluminum dove, the table to add cards (like gambler table) for the
cards across. The coin shooters. I still have ONE rising card
deck, a vanishing (round) Birdcage with Martin Pull, and the
candle flame thru silk, like Fred Kaps used. Somewhere, I haven't
found it yet, is the coin dropper in a cigarette pack, one at a
time into a glass.
.
Oh, warning. There is a foreign dealer advertising a ring into
glass, visible... like Copenetro. Hank Lee handles. Looked it over
at a friend's last night. It is made very badly. The ring needs to
be about the size of a single strand of wire, with no stone, or it
won't fit into the gaff. I could be fixed up but the ring has to
be so small it might be tough to find one that will go in it.
Also the vanish box is a ripoff of the little box with the side
panel that flips up...can't think of name... "something Quarter
oh... yeh LIPPINCOT box... Wrong kind to vanish from. But I worked
out a handling for the guy. That is easy to change tho... I would
do a different vanish. Harbin was very successful just having
someone hold the ring (?) under handkerchief (with fake in corner
of hank) why go to any more trouble.
Msg #16543 Dated 20:23:23 08-29-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: CHARLESTON MAGIC
Good talking to you tonight. I thought that was you talking to the fax
machine last night. Talk at you later. You're gonna love your "new" f
box.
Msg #16545 Dated 20:44:02 08-29-91 16542 <--> 16641
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT DO IT DO?
I felt pretty stupid there for a minute til you found Albo VII. Glad
it worked out. Ron Allesi had a big Taytelbaum sale a couple of years
ago and I remembered the catalog and checked it out. Good. Howie gets
mad at me when I talk about him, but he flew up to NY and bought all
the Eddy stuff in the catalog. Some pretty neat stuff and I thought I
had seen the domino effect in his magic dungeon. I'm frothing at
the mouth waiting to get to do some reading in your library in Oct.
I may have to stay an extra day just to get some in - or not sleep.
Have you heard of a book by Conradi called _Elegant Magic_?
Msg #16547 Dated 21:24:43 08-29-91 16522 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SALE!
Pete -- is the Massey Slate still available?
Msg #16554 Dated 22:15:02 08-29-91 -> 16564
From: GEORGE L WILLIAMS
To: ALL
Re: RICKY JAY ON LETTERMAN
Letterman just said he has Ricky Jay on tonight. I'm going back to
watch. Letterman is on NBC following Carson show.
Msg #16555 Dated 22:31:06 08-29-91 -> 16565
From: GARY PLANTS
To: ALL
Re: RICKY JAY
It is 1:30 a.m. on the east coast and I just caught Ricky Jay on the
David Letterman Show. I think this is a repeat but if you missed it
the first time it is worth catching. He does MacDonalds Aces with the
Erdnase patter and does some card throwing. Catch it if you can.
Msg #16556 Dated 22:39:39 08-29-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P & T ON LETTERMAN
Did I say MOJO, jeez I know better than that. Of course its MOFO,
color me dumb.
Msg #16558 Dated 22:39:48 08-29-91 -> 16566
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
I paid $ 899 + $ 69 for an extra battery. Its really a good deal,I've
just ordered another laptop and can't really use 2. Make me an offer.
Msg #16559 Dated 22:39:51 08-29-91 -> 16593
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
No I don't know how he came up with those names ? Urrr, What Names ??
Msg #16561 Dated 22:39:58 08-29-91 -> 16630
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OCTOBER TRIP
S
Er;16217
Too bad you didn't loan him your green ear rings, would have been
really chic'.
Msg #16562 Dated 22:40:04 08-29-91 16528 <--> 16570
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEMO 6
Is the quarter size Okito for sale ?
Msg #16564 Dated 23:19:31 08-29-91 16554 <--> 16643
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GEORGE L WILLIAMS (X)
Re: RICKY JAY ON LETTERMAN
Thanks for the Letterman advisory, George. Really appreciate it!
Msg #16565 Dated 23:20:03 08-29-91 16555 <--> 16644
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
Thanks for the Letterman info, Gary! First we had a message saying he
would be on (from George) and by the time I turned around we already
have Gary's blow-by-blow of what he did! AND there is still time to
catch it on the left coast.
Msg #16566 Dated 23:21:55 08-29-91 16558 <--> 16648
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
Garg! I saw 'em at the $899 price and didn't get it because of the
need I have for the 1/2 card slot. But there is a certain level of
temptation - you got a range you want?
Msg #16568 Dated 23:30:38 08-29-91 -> 16628
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
I live in Los Angeles, but spend many months a year travelling. At the
beginning of this year, in fact, I had some problems with credit card
fraud -- someone claiming to be Evan Katz and using my VISA. Since
cleared up. I've been married for three years, let's see what else...
I'm a little over five foot tall, have thick, curly hair, and write for
a living. Also I do research for my father-in-law, hence the trip to
Hawaii -- he's a hydrogen bomb manufacturer, and in addition to writing
comedy scripts, I help him engineer more efficient nuclear fuses -- not
something I ever studied in school, it's a skill I picked up in my
spare time. When I'm not writing or helping my wife's father, I do
volunteer work for an organization that polices publications for
not using enough quotation marks. We read a lot of stuff, use OCR
(optical character reading) software for a lot more stuff, and
basically make sure people are putting the things they're supposed to
be putting in quotes. If not, we write a nasty letter to the editor
along with a copy of Strunk and White. Last figures I read show that
we've increased the use of quotation marks in the publications we cover
by a statistically significant sixteen percent. Let's see... what
else... Did I tell you I'm under study by the government? A team of
biologists studies me twenty-four hours a day, because I exhibit a very
rare, but potentially valuable syndrome -- under the right conditions,
live monkeys fly out of my behind.
And one more thing -- if I ever catch this Evan Katz guy who's been
impersonating me, I'm going to have a word or two with him!
Msg #16570 Dated 0:20:13 08-30-91 16528 <--> 16647
From: LYNN HEALY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEMO 6
Well good! Now I can sleep at night knowing what that wierd thing
does!
.
How many more boxes do you have left to sort through?
Msg #16574 Dated 0:47:03 08-30-91 -> 17562
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
There is an new ad for Dove Archery in the
Sept. issue also.
Msg #16576 Dated 5:13:34 08-30-91 -> 16705
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: PM9600SA
MAGIC!-NL Thu 29 Aug 91 02:14
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
David,
Just would like to tell you the modem is working perfect. The speed
is amazing, though downloading files from your BBS remains a pain.
I get only a max of 110cps while on dutch BBS's I come aove 11
well!!
To come back on the communication protocols......
I think also kermit does not ack each block, is that true??? However
the kermit in Telix is not working with your Kermit protocol. Which
package do you know has a kermit protocol that works OK with
MAGIC!??I still vote for Zmodem THE communication protocol!!!!
Earlier I once asked you about a utility to put all messages of the
day in a file, zip it and make it available for downloading. Did you
ever investigate that????
Thanks again for helping me getting the modem,
Arnaud
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Msg #16577 Dated 5:13:43 08-30-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LECTURES
MAGIC!-NL Fri 30 Aug 91 12:44
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
like I said in the other message, without detailed lecture notes or
a video, it might be that you actually get the real bulk of the
lecture, not the tricks, but the real bulk!
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Msg #16578 Dated 5:13:50 08-30-91 -> 16655
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I DON'T THINK I WANT TO S
MAGIC!-NL Fri 30 Aug 91 12:47
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
The performer who did the flaming chink-a-chink was Vanni Bossi from
Italy. He is a very good performer. I think his act was one of the
better one's. Good structure, unusual effects, and someone who
obviously has something more to offer than just mere novelty,
although there was a lot of novelty in his act.
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Msg #16579 Dated 5:13:58 08-30-91 -> 16656
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
MAGIC!-NL Fri 30 Aug 91 12:50
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Indeed Phoa has had serious health problems. Now he is doing Okay,
although he does not perform as much as he used to. You know, about
4 or 5 years ago he was working practically every day. At that time
he was Hollands number one close-up performer.
Now he is performing, but it is a more reasonable amount now.
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Msg #16580 Dated 5:14:05 08-30-91 -> 16707
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: NL RESPONSES
MAGIC!-NL Fri 30 Aug 91 12:58
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Since MAGIC!-NL was isolated from the US messages for a 3 weeks due
to my holiday, only now we get the responses to your messages from
weeks ago. So realize this can be answers to questions that are
already answered, opnions that are already given, so....a bit behind.
I though this was good to tell you if you think a thread is taking a
very strange direction.
Arnaud - Sysop MAGIC!-NL
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Msg #16587 Dated 6:01:26 08-30-91 -> 16631
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OWENS
If I'd have read your orignial note more closely I would have seen
the "not Supreme" part of it. The Owen Supreme we have is #9.
Regarding the new list, it looks like it will be mailed out around
the 15th, with the list going upline here on the 15th. I can't wait to
get the thing out as putting it together is driving me nuts! Well,
good nuts. Later.
Charlie
Msg #16588 Dated 6:15:13 08-30-91 -> 16658
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
David Lichtman
Videos
MAGIC!-NL Fri 30 Aug 91 12:27
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
You said that the LACK of a legal video CREATES a market for an
illegal one. Does this mean that if a lecturer does not supply a
legal video, that it is his own fault that illegal video's will
start appearing?
This carries the suggestion that one MUST supply a legal tape, that
is, if one does not want to be robbed.
An illegal tape is pure thievery, nothing less. People who make
illegal tapes are nothing more than low-lifes and common thieves.
They deserve no respect whatsoever!
To suggest that to prevent these low lifes from stealing, one must
supply a tape oneself I think is topsy turvy thinking.
It is criminal minds who make possible and support a market for
illegal tapes. Not the lack of legal tapes creates the illegal
market, it is
thieves who create it!
The idea that this market is created by a lack of legal tapes
suggests that at least part of the fault is with the lecturer, it
suggests that in such a case it is less of a thievery, as if one has
a RIGHT to have a tape of a lecture.
Too many people feel that they OWN the magician who is doing a
lecture, that they have a right to everything, simply because they
have paid the admission price. The only thing one has a right to when
paying the
admission, is what the lecturer wants to give, nothing more.
If the lecturer does not want to supply a tape, of course one can be
disappoeals it.
--lecturer, so be it, but that does not give
anyone the right to take more than what is given, and steal.
If the lecturer does not want to supply a tape or allow video's to
bemade, that is his right, you have to accept that. It is not his
fault that some do make illegal tapes, it is the fault of the crooked
minds with their incredible greed, who think they have a right to own
everything. Please do not put the blame on those who do not want to
put out a legal tape. Thievery is thievery, even in those cases where
the seduction is higher. A good person is capable of handling this
slightly higher
seduction, those who cannot resist that, have an extremely low
treshold and should be treated with disgust, we should make their
lives miserable, they should be kicked out of magic clubs, denied
access to the bulletin board, they should be tarred and feathered!
The fact that there is something available to be stolen, does not
make good, even in the slightest, the person who indeed steals it.
--- GoldED 2.30
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #16589 Dated 6:20:16 08-30-91 -> 16632
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LECTURES
Stan Lake
Lectures
MAGIC!-NL Fri 30 Aug 91 12:26
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
reply to mess 1082
I understand from your message that your intent is to get the total
effect from a lecture. Although you have the right to expect from a
lecture what you want, it certainly does not mean that that is also
what the lecturer wants to supply, let alone HAS to supply.
I myself for instance never had the intention of teaching people my
tricks. I do not explicitly want people to do my tricks, although I
do not really mind all that much (as long as this person doing my
effects does not work in the same circuit in Holland!!!!).
You see, all I want to achieve in my lecture is to inspire people.
To show how interesting and deep magic can be. The thoughts you can
put into
magic. This I can make visible bytalking about the little nuances.
I do not talk about the little nuances in order to teach people my
trick! So after the lecture, people do not really need any video.
Actually it would be better if one forgets about the tricks, and
remembers the fact that there is a lot of detail to magic.
This, I hope, will inspire the attendees to put the same care to
detail into their effects.
Since this is what I want, I do not supply a video with the lecture,
it is totally unnecessary for achieving my goal.
That this goal might be different to your goal, well...I am sorry.
When one attends my lecture, one gets MY lecture. If it is different
than what one expected, I cannot help that. I will continue it the
way I feel it is best, and that means no video! I understand you feel
you need a video of a lecture. I feel, with my lecture you do not.
And when you
attend my lecture, you attend it on my terms. If that disappoints
you, well, you have the right to be disappointed. I do not want to
teach you tricks. For what I prefer to teach, no video is necessary,
it could even interfere with my goal. When a lecturer does a lecture
with the intent of teaching, then of course he can provide a video.
It might help his goal. What I try to say is, that it is the intent
of the lecturer which decide what and how things are done. That is
the deciding factor, not necessaraly what you would like .
--- GoldED 2.30
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725
Msg #16590 Dated 6:21:05 08-30-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VCR
Pete Biro
VCR alert
MAGIC!-NL Fri 30 Aug 91 12:26
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
.
Hi, Pete.
Sorry that you missed part of the show of John and Pam. I had seen
the talkshow the day before and was not too pleased woth the
presenter. He used peoiple for his own good. So I feared the worst,
but luckily they did extremely well, and the host did not indulge
in caressing his own ego too much.
When I am back in S.F., I do not know, but I suppose (hope) it will
not take too long.
.
--- GoldED 2.30
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
Msg #16592 Dated 6:26:47 08-30-91 -> 16594
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: FLASH PAPER
A friend of mine os looking for a producer of flashpaper, so a guy who
is actually brewing the paper himslef. There is someone in Germany he
thinks. Who helps him out??? (other adresses are also welcome)
Msg #16593 Dated 6:28:03 08-30-91 -> 16659
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Fear not about stepping on my thread! Please expand upon Walter's
pen-name on the Shadow stories. I was asking (while fully intending
to share the answer) if Jerry knew where Walter got the names of the
CHARACTERS in the Shadow stories (Lamont; Cranston; etc.) Walter
selected them from the names of railstops he saw while riding the
train from New England into New York. The names had a familiar ring
but you never knew quite why. Do you know Walter's technique for
avoiding writer's block?
Msg #16594 Dated 6:28:21 08-30-91 -> 16621
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Well....obviously we couldn't be gone at the same time. Who would be
in charge of the East side if that happen? Howsomever, doesn't sound
like you are gonna be back too long.
Msg #16595 Dated 6:28:32 08-30-91 -> 16634
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I am sure the decision is not without some regrets. However, I sense
a great feeling of anticipation and suspect you will be quite happy
to be nearer Nashville. I would suspect the greatest loss will be
the extra time for thought and other things gained by the isolation
you enjoy in Maryland. You will definitely be closer to the fast
lane. This might be reason enough for another IBM convention in
Nashville. Considering that Tennessee was once part of Virginia, you
should be OK.
Msg #16596 Dated 6:28:52 08-30-91 -> 16635
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DC
I forget just where you are located sometime and the fact you can use
the backdoor to get out of Maryland. I also always forget that other
bridge. I think I crossed it maybe once. Richmond is almost as
close to you as I am.
Msg #16597 Dated 6:29:05 08-30-91 -> 16661
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
Does that mean the bottom is clear lucite?...or will I just have to
fantasize?
All I got to say is that would be one helluva fine frame.
Msg #16598 Dated 6:29:15 08-30-91 -> 16605
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I will be out of town in mid October as well. I will try to give the
Yorker a ring and map something out. Just got tickets to take the
kids up to Memorial on Sept. 7...so many things to do before they are
gone!
Msg #16599 Dated 6:29:28 08-30-91 -> 16662
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
Your list triggers a flood of memories...if I broaden your criteria
to just IMPACT I could list:
- seeing Bobo while in elementary school in the country
- seeing the cups and balls with live chick ending while in
elementary school (don't know magicians name)
- seeing Slydini the first time and being one of the spectators
(and without knowing anything much about him)
- seeing Goshman for the first time (a story in itself for telling
another time)
- seeing Walter Cummings for the first time (included because it was
the same time I saw Slydini and Goshman...ergo a complete total
blow out and conversion to close up magic...also my first magic
convention)
- seeing Derek Dingle the first time
- seeing Vernon the first time
- watching David Roth work (I already knew the effects but the impact
was still great)
- watching Bob Read the first time (rolled on the floor!!)
- seeing Al Flosso work and the first time I went in his shop!
- seeing Senator Crandall work
- every time I saw Fred Kaps either on TV or in person
- Ken Brooke
- Moretti and the sword box
- Tommy Wonder (then Jos Bema) doing the cups and balls
- Alex Elmsley's lecture
- the pure joy that Milt Kort exhibited when performing
- Steve Freeman's soft touch with a deck of cards
....got to stop...they keep pouring out!
Msg #16600 Dated 6:30:33 08-30-91 -> 16608
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Drivel????? Those are ALL nuggets of wisdom....well....at least
acorns of knowledge...even if SOME of the piggies don't seem to
gobble 'em up! particularly those with dead batteries.
Msg #16601 Dated 6:30:43 08-30-91 -> 16664
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I am truly grateful...more than you probably realize. Thanks!!!
It will have a place of considerable honor forever more.
Msg #16602 Dated 6:30:51 08-30-91 -> 16665
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUBE
I was saying make more than a couple of coin tubes! You know with
taxes and inflation 49 cents doesn't even get you a cup of coffee any
more.
Msg #16603 Dated 6:31:01 08-30-91 -> 16604
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Wonderful...where do we sign up for the first copy of the Kaps tape?
I hadn't thought about the fact that he would need orignals.
Msg #16604 Dated 6:31:09 08-30-91 -> 16666
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Honestly, I can't remember if she was Helma or Helga...but she sent
me an autographied copy of her cook book so I will look it up and
tell Tabericus fer sure.
Msg #16605 Dated 6:31:20 08-30-91 -> 16607
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Yes...that is the effect I was talking about....I was just trying to
slowly work him up to it. Main idea was the use of the dollar bill
rather than the lifesavers that had me talking about Scotty's effect.
After I had him going on that, I was gonna work into the Joe Scott
Routine and a couple of others. I was really into cap and pense
stuff once.
Msg #16607 Dated 6:31:46 08-30-91 -> 16636
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
They have probably already packed up the stew and I will need to go
to Tennessee to get it!
Msg #16608 Dated 6:31:54 08-30-91 -> 16609
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
No you can't filter out your own replies! But it will surely have a
filter for ONE LINERS!!
Msg #16609 Dated 6:32:02 08-30-91 -> 16613
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
So what....that could make you a candidate for polluter of the year!
I mean after all, do you realize that you just patted yourself on the
back for contributing the "most 'magic' routines" under the header of
Denigrating Magic's Image.
Msg #16610 Dated 6:32:15 08-30-91 -> 16673
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
Tell Joe what is now a mute point...you said RR wanted to do the last
note bit and I thought you meant DMS. You explained to me on phone
that it was SLC he meant.
Msg #16611 Dated 6:32:25 08-30-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAWYERS
If the lists were intended to show what kind of magic is being done
then the answer must be "not much"...that is if the number of
responses is any indication.
Msg #16612 Dated 6:32:35 08-30-91 -> 16638
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Will look for Richard Potter and let you know.
Msg #16613 Dated 6:32:40 08-30-91 -> 16614
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I meant the latter and not the former when it comes to reading
messages. That will be a time saving feature for everyone but Pete
since he seems to leave a lot of messages to himself.
Msg #16614 Dated 6:32:51 08-30-91 -> 16663
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I am surprised you don't call this board the Lily Pad and ask us to
send in flies for the subscriptions!
.
RIB-it!
Msg #16615 Dated 6:33:04 08-30-91 -> 16715
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Tell me, David...just exactly what opinons HAS the "system" expressed
? You might have created something quite remarkable here.
Msg #16616 Dated 6:33:11 08-30-91 -> 16617
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Watch out! You are deplaying some remarkable signs of becoming sane!
.
Yes..it was a wonderful long weekend in a year where the purchase of
a new house and other committments precluded the family vacation week
at the beach.
Msg #16617 Dated 6:33:25 08-30-91 -> 16677
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Not too long away from MAGIC! at all! It only took 30 minutes to
download the message base when I got back!! But that IS the
wonderful thing about MAGIC!...you can go away and it is still there
waiting for you when you get back.
Msg #16618 Dated 6:33:38 08-30-91 -> 16619
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Thus far I haven't heard any complains from anyone to whom I have
recommended the "squeeze the Widow" web extraction method. Therefore
I am unable to expand upon the technique.
Msg #16619 Dated 6:33:49 08-30-91 -> 16678
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Scotty always performs the Frog trick for pretty ladies and has
developed amazingly good accuracy in having the frog hop into equally
amazing decolletages.
I used to also have the robot find the card, but I used a magnet in
one foot and a shim card so the little bugger didn't wander off.
Msg #16621 Dated 6:34:22 08-30-91 -> 16627
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
David....I hope you are kidding me. Don't you know what the name of
the "hooked" coin is in magical nomenclature? I was attempting
(albeit rather weakly) to pun you a bit. The coins gaffed in this
fashion are called HOO coins. Bill Spooner has written an entire
booklet on the Hoo Coin.
Msg #16622 Dated 6:34:36 08-30-91 -> 16624
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I apologize. The reference to H. Rosenthal singing was a very inside
referrence to a true story that I thought Pete and Max would have
heard. Pete apparently has not so I can't be batting very high on
this one. It is kinda one of those "You had to be there" things...or
at least you need to know the individuals.
Harvey is a fairly well know close up magician who unfortunately has
a rather bad problem with stuttering. However, Harvey plays guitar
and sings quite well and totally without any stutter at all. Once
Harvey was riding with Howie Schwarzman who was driven and explaining
an effect to Harvey at the same time. As the car speeded down the
road, it was rapidly overtaking a slower moving truck. While Harvey
was very much aware of the pending collision, Howie was intent on
explaining the effect. Harvey twice tried to tell Howie about the
truck but couldn't get the words out. Finally, as the rear bumper of
the truck loomed near, he sang out acappella "Howie! Watch out for
the truck!"
Well...you DID ask if anyone knew of magicians who sang.
Msg #16624 Dated 6:35:48 08-30-91 -> 16720
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
See my response on this to David....I thought you had probably heard
the story about Harvey and Howie...but then I guess you were only on
the edges of the "inner circle". Some day ask me what Horace Bennett
once said to Harvey.
No, the horse didn't bite me...but he sure as hell made me sore and
stiff about a day later!
Msg #16625 Dated 6:36:04 08-30-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SQUARE ONE
Just wanted to say that I read "Square One" on the plane while flying
from DC to New Mexico. Mine stayed together and was very enjoyable.
Always liked your illustrations and enjoyed seeing them again...some
good stuff in the book. Good Job!
Msg #16627 Dated 6:36:53 08-30-91 -> 16633
From: BILL WELLS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Is it an adoption of someone's move or something you came up with
yourself? A french drop out of shell sounds both strange and
interesting.
Msg #16628 Dated 6:53:05 08-30-91 16568 <--> 16650
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Live monkeys fly outa your behind? You too. Sheeze, I'm glad to hear
that. I thought there was something wrong with me, but never told
anyone.
Msg #16630 Dated 6:53:15 08-30-91 16561 <--> 16682
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: OCTOBER TRIP
What green ear rings?
Msg #16631 Dated 7:37:51 08-30-91 16587 <--> 16683
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: OWENS
I always look 4ward to the H&R List. Since the first one, I've found
a number of books and manuscripts, magazines, etc that I have wanted
to add to the library. The P&L catalog arrived and is a nice one as
is the Phoa booklet. Hope you got my check by now. Mail from here has
been really crappy of late. Maybe I should try using US stamps.
Msg #16632 Dated 7:37:59 08-30-91 16589 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: LECTURES
To Magic-NL
Tommy Wonder
You've hit the nail right on MY head, Tommy. That's exactly what I
look for when I attend a lecture - INSPIRATION - . Something to get
the creative sparks flying around in my own head. One idea, one new
thought to carry me forward. One bit of information that may save me
weeks, months, or years. I'd like to talk to you about doing the
Music City Conclave in 1993 or 1994. I like the "one world" concept
and wish to see all political barriers pulled down by the arts!
Artists with guns. Har!
Msg #16633 Dated 7:38:10 08-30-91 16594 <--> 16680
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Will be around til the 13 of Sept then back the 17 then gone the 26,
27 then back the 28 then gone Oct 9. Then back the 17 then gone. If
nada will see you in SLC in December.
Msg #16634 Dated 7:38:15 08-30-91 16595 <--> 16660
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I understand that there are over 150 "card carrying" magicians in
Nashville metro. You are right. The isolation of maryland from the
fast lane has forced me to grow. I've benefitted from the aloneness
and face Music City with a much different attitude. Imagine that
my magic shall gain from the change. All I have to do is get through
the next two months or so.
Msg #16635 Dated 7:38:24 08-30-91 16596 <--> 16712
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DC
I can be in Fredricksburg in 45 minutes.
Msg #16636 Dated 7:38:28 08-30-91 16598 <--> 16637
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I'll give you a call over the Labor Day and try to catch you. I guess
ya'll have plans for Monday. If not, we are cooking up some burgers
and a few hard shells. No big deal on Monday. Just a few friends we
have in area. Last year we had over 200 people here and it took til
Wednesday morning to get rid of the low life (the last keg ran dry).
Msg #16637 Dated 7:38:35 08-30-91 16607 <--> 16668
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
The Wells will be welcome anytime at the Nuevo DeCarlo.
Msg #16638 Dated 7:38:39 08-30-91 16612 <--> 16684
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Thanks. I am hungry for info on Conrad Haden and would appreciate
getting in touch with "Potter."
Msg #16639 Dated 7:38:44 08-30-91 -> 16685
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: HOWDY
Ee;16627
I hope you got your office moved and everything is back to normal. I
was talking about you the other day with Glo as we ran across your
picture when we were packing the dining room office. Moving to TN
puts us one time zone closer to the left coast. That's a plus as
well. Give us a holler sometime. Glo says hello to your family.
Msg #16641 Dated 10:55:10 08-30-91 16545 <--> 16688
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHAT DO IT DO?
NO, not heard of Conradi book. You will like a turn of the century
catalog I have called "Mechanical Screams and Yells" put out by
Will Goldston.
Msg #16643 Dated 10:55:24 08-30-91 16554 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GEORGE L WILLIAMS (X)
Re: RICKY JAY ON LETTERMAN
Saw Ricky... he did his usual good stuff... the Four Queens is a
killer... funny, tho, Letterman showed BOREDOM at the patter... and
in that SETTING it was a bit boring... but Ricky KILLED him with
the finish phase of the trick...
Msg #16644 Dated 10:55:33 08-30-91 16555 <--> 17199
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
Gary... yep, Ricky was a re-run. How to make money while you sleep!
Always strong magic from Ricky...
Msg #16647 Dated 10:55:55 08-30-91 16562 <--> 16653
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEMO 6
Unfortunately no, as it is the ONLY one I use!!! If I find a dupe,
which is possible... it is yours...
Msg #16648 Dated 10:55:59 08-30-91 16566 <--> 16723
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
I think Burton has a RANGE... how else do you cook?
Msg #16650 Dated 10:56:15 08-30-91 16568 <--> 16651
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Sounds like you have been eating too much fibre!
Msg #16651 Dated 10:56:19 08-30-91 16568 <--> 16681
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
What OCR software are you using?
Msg #16653 Dated 10:56:26 08-30-91 16570 <--> 17635
From: PETE BIRO
To: LYNN HEALY (X)
Re: NEMO 6
At least 15-20 cartons measuring about 15x15x24. I didn't show you
the garage when you were here. Opened 2 yesterday and found some
great stuff, including my Martin Coin Dropper, that I thought I
had lost! I did lose a Horace Goldin Chair to Suitcase when we
moved from one street to the other in Hermosa Beach! I think I
left it in the basement of the old house and by the time I remember-
ed it, they house was torn down!
Msg #16655 Dated 10:56:42 08-30-91 16578 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: I DON'T THINK I WANT TO S
Thanks for the reminder on VANNI BOSSI... yes, I like his act very
much, and I think (I have put the files away) he was high on my
scores!
Msg #16656 Dated 10:56:48 08-30-91 16579 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Does Phoa still do his stage act? It was one of the better acts
we ever had over here from Europe. Glad to hear he is doing better.
Msg #16658 Dated 10:57:01 08-30-91 16588 <--> 16710
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Tommy, that is it on the head! That was Tannen's (SPINA) argument.
Ken Brooke would want to make only a limited number of a certain
effect. That way you might be the only one in your area with the
trick. That was Ken's (and often the inventor's) DESIRE. Spina would
KNOCK OFF COPIES saying, "Well my customer called and said he
wanted the trick and Ken won't wholesale to me so I *HAVE TO MAKE
THEM* ---------- He is saying 'I HAVE TO STEAL!!!!!!!!!!'
Do you think we will ever win?
Msg #16659 Dated 10:57:12 08-30-91 16593 <--> 17450
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
When in the Francisco Midnight Spook Show, I played the part of
Count ZAMORA the restless ghost. I always wondered where Arthur got
that name. And one day we are zipping up hiway 99 and we come to
a small town named ZAMORA and he said, "this is where I got the
name....."
He used to have another great name (tho we didn't use it in the
show) -- it was ARSHAG SHISHMAMA. I have used it in stories. It
turned out to be the name of a paper boy in one of the towns he
worked.
Msg #16660 Dated 10:57:24 08-30-91 16595 <--> 17446
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I would vote for an IBM in Nashville just to get another batch of
Helga's soup. It was the closest thing to Brunswick Stew I had
ever tasted!
Msg #16661 Dated 10:57:30 08-30-91 16597 <--> 17452
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SPOTLIGHTS AND ROADSIGNS
Clear Lucite... gee the Tabman WOODWORKS would have to struggle on
that, but I bet a one off for Wells would be a piece of cake.
Msg #16662 Dated 10:57:35 08-30-91 16599 <--> 17453
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
Gee.......... great list.... I could almost carbon copy it... mann
er many of the same experiences..,. only a few of the names would
change...
Crandall was one of the greats
Add Roy Benson
Ditto on FLOSSO... funny FIRST time in his shop, I snuck out the
door before he saw me... I thought the place was AWFUL... WHAT A
MESS.... LITTLE DID I KNOW....
Msg #16663 Dated 10:57:46 08-30-91 16600 <--> 16671
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I shall never suffer a dead battery again. Funny, I unpacked a box
yesterday and found 3 "correct" overseas voltage converters! Arhg.
Msg #16664 Dated 10:57:52 08-30-91 16601 <--> 17455
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I don't want it to have a Place of Honor. I want you to wear it
out with use!
Msg #16665 Dated 10:57:57 08-30-91 16602 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TUBE
Will try.
Msg #16666 Dated 10:58:01 08-30-91 16603 <--> 16667
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Call Joe Stevens. He sells tapes. Might have in 2 years? Halloween
is coming, Joe will be buzzzzzzzzzzzzzy.
Msg #16667 Dated 10:58:05 08-30-91 16604 <--> 17456
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
Is that pronounced TAB ERR ISHUS ?
Msg #16668 Dated 10:58:10 08-30-91 16605 <--> 16670
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I just saw maybe the worst performanc UNDERLINE performance, of the
GREAT 2 cup routine of Ramsay's... it was on the Galloway tape.
Have you seen him? I'm sorry but I had te feeling it was a floor
lamp standing there, unplugged going through the moves. But the
material is wonderful. I think I shall get the Ramsay Cups out
and get the routine going... with variants to make it 1991-ish,
of course!
Msg #16670 Dated 10:58:25 08-30-91 16607 <--> 17448
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
You will need a long straw..... Great line on Carson other night.
Russian treason group said to Gorby, "Do we have to face the firing
squad?" Gorby say, "No.... you can face the wall if you like!"
Msg #16671 Dated 10:58:31 08-30-91 16608 <--> 16672
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
If
You
Don't
Like
One
Liners...
I
Can
Write
Like
This!
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G
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H
H
H
H
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Msg #16672 Dated 10:58:53 08-30-91 16609 <--> 16675
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Accuracy is one of my long suits.
Msg #16673 Dated 10:58:57 08-30-91 16610 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CONTEST.TXT
slc it is... RR did not work DMS... (looks like a coded message)
Msg #16675 Dated 10:59:17 08-30-91 16613 <--> 16676
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
They are just reminders. To me. I think? I forget?
Msg #16676 Dated 10:59:21 08-30-91 16614 <--> 16713
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I guess we could have a list thread on how to spell the sound Frogs
make. It certainly isn't RIB-it!
I guess nobody wanted the Joke Books I offered. So will just mail
them to Leno.
Msg #16677 Dated 10:59:28 08-30-91 16617 <--> 16716
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
At 300 baud, no wonder. Do you kick start your Modem... ohhh forgot
where I got mine... sorry.... honest... sorryyyyaaarrrggghhhhh.
Msg #16678 Dated 10:59:34 08-30-91 16618 <--> 16679
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
I recall that in one of Salvano's Lectures. I think he recommended
one each Thumb and Fingertip. And suggested the metal P&L type as
opposed to the plastic from the orient and/or South America.
Msg #16679 Dated 10:59:39 08-30-91 16619 <--> 16717
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Gee, made me think you could use a Finn Jon loop to make the
Roboto go the right way.... I put a Finn Jon loop on my arm yesterda
and couldn't find it.... need to put on glasses or bring the
lights up when you use his invisible stuff. I don't know how the
gal ties the knots in those loops!
Msg #16680 Dated 10:59:49 08-30-91 16621 <--> 16711
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Abbott and Costello did a complete act talking about the HOO coin.
I think?
Msg #16681 Dated 10:59:53 08-30-91 16628 <--> 16689
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Actually when I eat too much fiber I can produce Oriental Rugs
from mine behind...
Msg #16682 Dated 10:59:59 08-30-91 16630 <--> 17633
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OCTOBER TRIP
The gold ones that tarnished!
Msg #16683 Dated 11:00:03 08-30-91 16631 <--> 16690
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OWENS
What PHOA booklet?
Msg #16684 Dated 11:00:07 08-30-91 16638 <--> 16691
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
Did you write the PO Box nr. I gave you on Haden? If not in use,
call phone co. in Ormond Beach, FLA, his wife, i unnerstand, still
is up and about.... You know the first cage Channing had was made
by Haden. If you wannt talk to Channing we can go to his home when
you out here. Chan has always given me an OPEN invite... Same with
ALBO collection.
Cheesh... with Albo, Walker, Channing... you won't wanna see my
stuff.... I guess we have to use Biro's "order of sequence" mode.
Like when you go to Vegas. You don't want to see Siegfried and Roy
first... all else will be boring, small and inconsequential...
Msg #16685 Dated 11:00:20 08-30-91 16639 <--> 16692
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HOWDY
Rats... the messages just ended. Wuz having such a good time. I
guess I cango back and read 'em again.
I have finally figured out a "file" system to keep them in an order
and a subdirectory to move them to on my 'F' drive....
One o' these days I will understand computers. Just noticed the
wood, on my old roll top, in front of my keyboard (where my left
wrist rests) is getting worn... got to fix with some of the furnitur
oil/stain? Steel wool first? Then got to clean the grease in the
driveway, cut the lawn and pray the mail comes with good news today.
Wht else... oh, stop eating seven meals a day....
Shave, put on clothes, someone might come to the door.
Mail the stuff to Tabman... Nah, it would just be more stuff for
him to re-pack and move to nashvillage.
ARe you moving there so you can pushn teh MSMC?
Msg #16686 Dated 11:19:27 08-30-91 -> 16724
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
I think you left the best part of the new MAGIC magazine out of your
review: The MAX MAVEN'S CONSUMER GUIDE.
Msg #16688 Dated 11:54:24 08-30-91 16641 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT DO IT DO?
Mechanical Screams and Yells. Zounds good. Will check out when I get
there.
Msg #16689 Dated 11:54:28 08-30-91 16681 <--> 16694
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
From the side show to the show room.
Msg #16690 Dated 11:54:32 08-30-91 16683 <--> 16695
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OWENS
PHOA booklet......Subtlety and Utility in Magic by Phoa Yan Tiong.
Msg #16691 Dated 11:54:36 08-30-91 16684 <--> 16696
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
I have the adr in Fla as well as the phone number. I hate bothering
people until I have some introduction. I've drafted a letter to him
and will mail out. If it comes back "no such" then I will call. Am
coming out to hang with Biro and not worried about seeing Albo stuff
or?? Whatever....
Msg #16692 Dated 11:54:43 08-30-91 16685 <--> 16693
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOWDY
Heck, mail it. With all this stuff, one more little box ain't gonna
mean doodle. Yes, pushing the MCCMS is def one of the things I'll
be doing there in Music City. Am excited about having a base for my
magic operation. Better services, telephone, tv, recording, friends,
I also will be working to get more magic on the Nashville Network
along with Kevin King.
Msg #16693 Dated 11:54:51 08-30-91 16685 <--> 16697
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOWDY
If you use some steel wool use the finest you can get. XXXX or finer
and oil if it has oil on it already. Varnish or shellac is different
Msg #16694 Dated 13:52:29 08-30-91 16689 <--> 16700
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Possibly one of the greatest replies yet! Just faxed you a thing on
ASCAP and acts? argh.
Got the wire. Will see what can do withit... yow!
THIS MAY BE MY LAST SIGN ON TO MAGIC! in middle of day... got to show
some cutbacks for my budget director. ME!
Msg #16695 Dated 13:53:46 08-30-91 16690 <--> 16701
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OWENS
Whew... was worried there was one I didn't know about. Thanks.
Msg #16696 Dated 13:54:17 08-30-91 16691 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURACOL
idig
Msg #16697 Dated 13:54:46 08-30-91 16693 <--> 16702
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HOWDY
will not do it wrong... to cool a desk... bah
Msg #16699 Dated 14:17:59 08-30-91 -> 16726
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: FORCE
I talked to the 1:00 O'clock guy. He said that the force you and I
talked about was not a ribben spread. Said it was just the Classic.
Guess I was mistaken. Sure can't remember like I used to. Wonder
what causes that?
Msg #16700 Dated 14:32:32 08-30-91 16694 <--> 16744
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
The license shouldn't amount to much. I'd suggest also getting in
touch with BMI and doing likewise since they're bound to follow. It
is timely and probably shoulda happened a long time ago. I suggested
last year that Magic do this to be among the first. When a publisher
and an artist make so little per play it takes a lot of plays to make
a nut.
Msg #16701 Dated 14:32:40 08-30-91 16695 <--> 16745
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OWENS
You're welcome. If you hadn't had it I wooda sent it to you. BTW, did
a box with a little Zauber arrive at your door (not the wire)?
Msg #16702 Dated 14:32:45 08-30-91 16697 <--> 16722
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOWDY
Steel wool is scarey stuff to me, but works good. Part of my message
didn't get through on 16693, but it's no big deal now. I know you'll
be doing it right. Right?
Msg #16704 Dated 14:36:04 08-30-91 -> 16780
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SCRIPT
Well, did you sell it?
Msg #16705 Dated 15:28:29 08-30-91 16576 <--> 16706
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: PM9600SA
Great to hear that the new 9600 is working well. Since a lot of folks
aren't interested in technical details, I'm going to respond to the
rest in private.
Msg #16707 Dated 15:39:54 08-30-91 16580 <--> 16708
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: NL RESPONSES
Arnaud -
I hope you had a good holiday. I did try to pass some of the messages,
especially those that were directly addressed to MAGIC-NL members back
over to your system. Good to have you back on-line!
Msg #16709 Dated 15:42:44 08-30-91 16705 <--> 16727
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PM9600SA
Thank you for handling this in this manner.
Msg #16710 Dated 15:45:39 08-30-91 16588 <--> 16730
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
TO: Tommy Wonder
Tommy - I agree with you 100% about the culpability of thieves and of
those who would have their products. I certainly was _NOT_ condoning
thievery! But any time an item is unavailable, it does create a "black
market" value for it. That occurs in every market from drugs to very
rare paintings. I think that a lecturer has to be aware of this black
market and to consider it in the equation when making a decision about
video-notetaking.
Msg #16711 Dated 15:54:41 08-30-91 16621 <--> 16739
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yeah, OK, I was asleep and missed it. I thought you were doin' some
kinda trick with owls (I'd just finished Streiber's Transformations and
owls were spookin' me).
Msg #16712 Dated 15:58:24 08-30-91 16635 <--> 17447
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DC
Forgive me for dropping in on this thread, but isn't that what Lee
said?
Msg #16713 Dated 16:02:41 08-30-91 16613 <--> 16714
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
We were close to having it working - we thought - but a bug crept into
the new program last night - so the Frog is on pursuit. Don't think it
will significantly delay the introduction of the new features.
Msg #16714 Dated 16:03:49 08-30-91 16614 <--> 17454
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Remember - MAGIC! is just part of ECANET. You got a fax number? If
so, I'll try to dig up and send you the letters about starting a
commercial fly raising business - we still have most of the business
plan.
Msg #16715 Dated 16:08:55 08-30-91 16615 <--> 17468
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Well, it does seem to like my singing. Late at night, when I sing here
in the office, the system hums along.
Msg #16716 Dated 16:10:21 08-30-91 16617 <--> 17462
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
I agree - MAGIC! will be here waiting. Of course, some of the messages
do get moved to files, but we are prett areful about leaving mail
addressed to individuals up until they return, assuming, of course,
that they do so within a couple of months.
Msg #16717 Dated 16:12:27 08-30-91 16618 <--> 16718
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Well, we keep our some of our Widows in a large box called a garage.
Those are pretty easy to collect web from, using a stick. Also, they
are a pretty good deterent to burgulars attempting to enter the
property from that direction. The ones inhabiting the shubbery we try
to leave alone. We have a couple of lizards, but I don't think they
eat Widows.
Msg #16718 Dated 16:15:01 08-30-91 16619 <--> 17463
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Scotty's technique must be a joy to watch!
In the case of the trick I'm doing, the GOAL is to have the robots
wander off! They are not supposed to get the correct card (as I
mentioned, they CAN'T get the correct card - it is long gone). Their
job is misdirection. I'd love to tip the whole thing, but there are
bits of it that I have been specifically requested NOT to tip. Will
have to perform it for you sometime.
Msg #16720 Dated 16:21:15 08-30-91 16622 <--> 16729
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Interesting story! But I really think one could do an interesting
singing magic act - In close-up, the mage could sing the patter - "I
take the card and put it in my pocket..." and on stage he could have a
back up group, barbershop quartette style - "He took the card and put
it in his pocket..." I think it would be interesting.
Msg #16722 Dated 16:29:00 08-30-91 16693 <--> 16733
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HOWDY
Same XXXX steel-wool is also good for altering cards - you can remove
pips and/or any other printing you wish to.
Msg #16723 Dated 16:31:19 08-30-91 16648 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SWAP MEET
We don't - we eat out.
Msg #16724 Dated 16:32:23 08-30-91 16686 <--> 16734
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
I meant to comment on the Max Maven Consumer Guide, but I was rushed
and it fell off the disk. I don't know if it was exactly "the best
part" of the new mag., but it was certainly part of the new M A G I C.
Msg #16726 Dated 16:36:35 08-30-91 16699 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FORCE
Hmmmm...... I thought I was watching pretty carefully. Oh, well, maybe
your memory and my eyesight are both going!
Msg #16727 Dated 16:37:20 08-30-91 16709 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PM9600SA
Yes, trying to keep computer stuff off of system unless it is something
that potentially concerns everyone. In rush right now, will be back
later, but, once again, THANK YOU.
Msg #16728 Dated 16:51:14 08-30-91 -> 17476
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: PEN-NAMES
The story is that Walter Gibson devised his pen-name for the Shadow
stories by matching up various combinations of first and last name of
friends who were magic dealers, arriving at Maxwell (from Holden) and
Grant (from U. F.).
Now, here's another one: where did "Zella" come from?
Msg #16729 Dated 16:52:59 08-30-91 16622 <--> 16731
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Yeah, I knew the story; just didn't feel like writing about someone I
do not particularly like.
By the way, some years ago Barclay Shaw had an illusion presentation in
which he sang. And if you go to the Castle this week you'll be able to
see Craig Dickens, a singing illusionist, in the Palace. The idea
_almost_ works.
Msg #16730 Dated 16:54:57 08-30-91 16710 <--> 16736
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yes, a lecturer ought to be aware of the problem. No, a lecturer does
not have to consider it in the decision of whether or not to allow
videotaping.
Msg #16731 Dated 17:09:41 08-30-91 16729 <--> 16732
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Oh, as for Walter Gibson's way of beating writer's block, I presume
you're referring to the four rooms he had set up in his house in
upstate NY, each room with its own typewriter. With four projects going
at any time, if he hit an impasse on one he would simply pick up and go
into another room and resume writing on another.
I'm currently 60,000 words into writing a book which will end up
close to 100,000. Everytime I feel daunted by this I consider that
Walter would've considered it a quickie...
Msg #16732 Dated 17:48:18 08-30-91 16731 <--> 16735
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
And you don't need four rooms! You could have four different word
processors... One of the guys I work with overcomes writer's block by
skipping whatever part he's having trouble with - if he can't get
started on section 1, he just writes section 2 first.
Msg #16733 Dated 17:51:49 08-30-91 16722 <--> 16738
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOWDY
It's true!
Msg #16734 Dated 17:51:54 08-30-91 16724 <--> 16737
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Well, we don't have to agree on everything. I thought the _Consumer's
Guide_ was quite refreshing. Also, Obie's ad for FFFF was good. I
liked his title of "Head Forker". Way to go, Obie! And the plug for
Houdini Beer. Enough to make you want to take a drive over to Apple-
ton to pick up 25 or 30 cases for the Music City Conclave night befor
party. Oh yes! Max's use of the -Ben Hecht- quote to kick off the
September Parallax (one of my favorite card exercises). That's about
it except, where are the photo credits on the Mac King story on
LB. They are great. Is Mac a photog too? Where is Mac? Haven't seen
him on here in months.
Msg #16735 Dated 17:52:04 08-30-91 16731 <--> 16746
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
A new book, Max? Great! Any tips, or is it top secret stuff?
Msg #16736 Dated 17:49:57 08-30-91 16730 <--> 16766
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Well, at least the lecturer should consider considering it. I do see
one very major point in Tommy's message - the TYPE of lecture. For the
most part, attendees tend to consider most lectures as concerning
effects. I can understand the idea that no tape is necessary if one is
providing theory or other "non-effect" material.
I still think that a blanket denial of video-notes as an extension of
the lecture format is an abrogation of real thought about the concept.
Msg #16737 Dated 17:54:06 08-30-91 16734 <--> 16742
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Send Burt Reynolds and company to get the beer. I wondered too, where
were the photo credits for the cover and the other shots? I suspect
that the Lance shots were provided by him, but still, there should have
been some credits. There was one photo credit in the issue - did you
find it?
As to Mac, I doono where he went - I think he never recovered from my
remarks about his act. Sure wish he was back - I think he is a classy
performer.
Msg #16738 Dated 18:00:01 08-30-91 16639 <--> 16743
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HOWDY
Thanks for the thought. The office got moved but the new place had such
bad line noise that I have not been able to read messages for over a
month. The phone co was out here several times and said that nothing
was wrong with our VOICE QUALITY lines, and suggested we pay to have
them install a filter at their office and pay extra each month for a
DATA quality line. The problem appears to be solved now as we just kept
re arranging our phone system until we found a line that did not have
the consistent noise problem. This fix just took place a few days ago.
I'm glad to be back, but it looks like I've got a ton of reading to do
to catch up.
Msg #16739 Dated 18:26:41 08-30-91 16627 <--> 16752
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Actually, it's the move Roth uses for his last pass. It's kind of weird
to get used to, it's a french drop to a finger palm, but you're still
holding the shell in frech drop position.
Msg #16742 Dated 18:49:08 08-30-91 16737 <--> 16751
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
I found at least eight photo credits in the issue. Which one were you
referring to? Burt Reynolds lives down in Jupiter, Florida. I guess
you were thinking to the Cannonball Run boys. There's also a photo
on page 30 of Gazoo MaCee whom I have mentioned to several times in
my ramblings here on MAGIC!. Gazoo busks Boston.
Msg #16743 Dated 18:49:16 08-30-91 16738 <--> 17325
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: HOWDY
hey Burt. Glad to see you on the system. I've missed you. Say, any
chance of getting a real copy of that photo you faxxed me the other
year?
Msg #16744 Dated 19:11:31 08-30-91 16700 <--> 16764
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
What do you think the FEE per play might be? How does one reach,
and what is BMI?
.
Not makin' B, Stew, but just finished boilin' up a big chicken.
It sure made a fuss, didn't wanna get in the pot at all.....
.
Arghhh Cluck
Msg #16745 Dated 19:11:42 08-30-91 16701 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OWENS
The Littlle Zauber came later, he needed a long drink of water tho.
Msg #16746 Dated 19:11:46 08-30-91 16720 <--> 16748
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
The idea is great, but I think the Lyrics need a little work.
How about (stage version) "Ah, la, la, la -- where's my PULL...
Oh, La, la, la... the string broooooooke...."
Msg #16748 Dated 19:11:56 08-30-91 16729 <--> 16749
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I really like Craig Dickens... he has some very good ideas... and
yep, is is very close -- needs directing, but at least he is on his
own route!
Msg #16749 Dated 19:12:02 08-30-91 16731 <--> 16750
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Nice to hear some of the Walter Gibson stuff... he certainly was
prolific to say the least!
Msg #16750 Dated 19:12:08 08-30-91 16732 <--> 16760
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
You miss the point, I am sure. Four different rooms. Four different
moods. Four different mindsets. Maybe even Four different views.
Msg #16751 Dated 19:12:14 08-30-91 16737 <--> 16758
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
The Lance Burton photos were supplied by his PR Agency, and theuy
usually don't credit. They are often taken by various sources, and
since are paid pretty good for them don't worry about credit lines.
.
That's why you almost NEVER see photo credits for Advertising pix.
I prefer my name on a check, than alonside a picture on a page.
.
In next two weeks I is supposed to have pictures of A.J. Foyt in
Sports Illustrated.
Msg #16752 Dated 19:12:25 08-30-91 16739 <--> 17229
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Is this in Roth's lecture notes? Will go look. If now where and/or
what is the effect?
Msg #16753 Dated 19:12:30 08-30-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ARGH
Ee;16739
David... when you talk to Kent Cummins you got to tell him the
ARGHHHH T-Shirt arrived and it is a KILLER... Really great. Tell
him muchas thanksias!!!!!!!!!
Msg #16758 Dated 20:17:41 08-30-91 16742 <--> 16759
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Well, you spotted more photo credits than I did, so I guess you get
extra credit. I know Burt lives in Jupiter - I was a cub reporter for
the Jupiter-Tequesta Beacon News at one time. Was thinin' more about
Frog and the Bandit and Cletus as the beer delivery service.
P.S. - Did I mention that Burt and Anita went to school together, but
at different times?
Msg #16759 Dated 20:20:23 08-30-91 16751 <--> 16765
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Well, they were very well done photos and they were placed artistically
in the new magazine and they obviously used a good outfit for the
seperations and a good outfit for the printing.
Sports Illustrated, huh? OK! You takin' the check or the credits?
Msg #16760 Dated 20:22:52 08-30-91 16746 <--> 16761
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I ain't no lyricist. I like your stage rendition, but you need the
backup group to repeat everything - like "Oh, La, la, la... He broke
his string..."
Msg #16761 Dated 20:23:58 08-30-91 16750 <--> 16768
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Like I said -- four different word processors -- same as four different
moods, four different mindsets, four different views. I use four
different word processors almost every day - one for serious work, one
for humor, one for fixing programs -- like being in four different
places. I've even got one that plays music that you can turn on and
off.
Msg #16763 Dated 20:26:48 08-30-91 -> 16789
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
I finally had a chance to view the T A WATERS VIDEO. I especially
liked the first effect, Chest O' Destiny, which uses the wooden
box, for obvious reasons, plus the Dice Matrix and the triple
prediction using the spiral notepad. I will recommend the video
to anyone looking for good solid, professional material which is
within the range of most anyone to do. I appreciated your remarks
concerning presentation and being yourself at the intro. Thanks
for sending me some magic that I can and will use. I enjoyed it.
Does the purchase of the video give me the right to build a Chest
Of Destiny for my personal use?
Msg #16764 Dated 20:40:44 08-30-91 16744 <--> 16775
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Both ASCAP and BMI are the two big (read powerful) music performance
rights (money) collection agencies. My connections are in NY and
Music City. BMI is 212-586-2000 and ASCAP is 212-595-3050. If you
want, I will check it out for you or you can call them. The fees
shouldn't be too much per night. When you call tell them you are
doing some shows using canned music and you want to find out about
payment. Am sure they will be GLAD to help you. BMI is where I hang m
y hat as a publisher. My contact there is Jeff Cohen. Am sure that
Jeff would be glad to help steer you in the right direction. Tellem
I said call. He could probably steer you to his counterpart at ASCAP
also.
Msg #16765 Dated 20:40:56 08-30-91 16758 <--> 16770
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
I need some extra credit right now. Thanks.
Msg #16766 Dated 20:46:25 08-30-91 16736 <--> 16771
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Horseshit. The denial of videotaping rights in lectures by myself,
Tommy Wonder and others is the _result_ of real thought about the
concept. The implication in your comment is that your position is the
only correct one, hence if anyone were to think about it they would
come around to your point of view. To this I can only say, think again.
Msg #16768 Dated 20:51:35 08-30-91 16735 <--> 16774
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
The book is not a magicians' publication. It is an in-depth exploration
of divinatory techniques and history, which will be published by
Prentice-Hall in 1992.
Msg #16769 Dated 20:52:50 08-30-91 -> 16772
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: TONIGHT
Michael Moschen will be performing on the Carson show tonight (Friday).
Msg #16770 Dated 21:30:59 08-30-91 16765 <--> 16797
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
If you feel the need, go paste a gold star on yourself. Really. It
helps. Nathan calls 'em "stickers."
Msg #16771 Dated 21:32:19 08-30-91 16766 <--> 16784
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I see no such implication in my statement, Max. If, indeed, you have
seriously considered video as a means of extending the lecture format
and if you have decided not to for solid reasons after such
consideration, than you should certainly not feel that you have made an
inappropriate decision. As a consumer, I would hope, of course, that
you occassionaly reconsider your position to see if it remains valid,
but, as you have indicated earlier, your rights as a presentor are the
governing factor in your own decisions.
As to your brief opening statement, I'm not certain that I see its
connection to the discussion.
Msg #16772 Dated 21:38:27 08-30-91 16769 <--> 16782
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Thank you for the video alert, Max. Appreciate it.
Msg #16773 Dated 22:28:26 08-30-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DIARY - 8/30/'91
A very nice afternoon at the Castle. I had lunch today with MIKE KING,
MARVIN STERN, and Marv's son DAVID STERN. Lots of good magic
conversation. After lunch we attended a Parlour audition. The poor
fellow - who I intend to leave nameless - had some very good material
as well as some pretty awful material. BUT his main failing was his
lack of performance value and performance technique. A few times, he
got some sparse applause for some OK stuff, but the really good stuff
died on the floor - one reason? He never paused appropriately to let
it sink in that he had just done something pretty terrific. I'm told
that he didn't get a booking.
Paul Green performed the luncheon close-up show. Very good! Very
charming, good audience involvement and good material - perhaps
following the Biro rule - after the previous session he was great!
Good show.
Greg McKay, a MAGIC! member, auditioned for close-up - I didn't envy
him with JOHNNY ACE PALMER in the audience! (Among other "notables").
Greg did some nice stuff - don't know what the outcome was.
Then Johnny told me what I guess should be a *NEWS ITEM* here on MAGIC!
He introduced his fiancee, Miss Susan Ann DiMagio, and said that they
WILL BE MARRIED NEXT MONTH! Best wishes to Johnny and Susan!
After the Castle I dropped by Hollywood Magic and found both WORKERS 2
and JIM SISTI's MAGIC MENU 1ST ANNUAL compilation on sale. I've
already commented on Workers, Jim's compilation of material from the
first year of the Magic Menu looks very good.
Msg #16774 Dated 22:48:02 08-30-91 16729 <--> 16785
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Craig Dickens? Or Craig Stevens?
Msg #16775 Dated 22:52:39 08-30-91 16628 <--> 16777
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Are you gonna be here visiting soon? I think I asked you this before
and forgot what you told me. Also -- I thought my message would have
gotten more of a reaction!
Msg #16777 Dated 22:55:49 08-30-91 16651 <--> 16798
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
The OCR software I am using is called "FIND-A-QUOTE." It is quite
excellent in one sense, being able to recognize quotation marks in any
published font with 100% accuracy, but not so great when it comes to
recognizing other characters. It is, however, quite fine for my needs.
Msg #16780 Dated 0:23:06 08-31-91 16704 <--> 16799
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SCRIPT
They are thinking about it. By the way, You didn}t get charged for the
chili, did you? Just wondering. If so, I will pay you back. Check
the receipt and I catch up with you Monday. Have a great weekend.
MIKE.
Msg #16782 Dated 0:35:44 08-31-91 16772 <--> 16783
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Max,
Just saw Michael Moschen on Tonight Show. GREAT!!! To me, that
was as magical a performance as I've seen in a long time. I
wonder though, if Johnny's comment to "stay tuned, we have a
really good juggler..." caused some of the less informed people
to check out the other channels. Oh well, their loss!
David (the other one)
Msg #16783 Dated 0:35:49 08-31-91 16769 <--> 16796
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Thanks for mentioning Michael Moschen, Max. <-- Anyone is welcome to
try saying that aloud
ten times fast.
It was beautiful.
Msg #16784 Dated 0:41:05 08-31-91 16771 <--> 16812
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
You're right -- it's not an implication, but a direct statement. In
your own words, you say that anyone who rejects videotaping of their
lecture is therefore showing "an abrogation of real thought about the
concept."
The connection between my brief opening statement and this discussion
is, I would have thought, quite obvious: it is a summation of my
opinion about your assertion.
Msg #16785 Dated 0:44:51 08-31-91 16774 <--> 16795
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Dickens. Who did you think posted the message -- Biro?
Msg #16786 Dated 1:39:34 08-31-91 -> 16787
From: CHRIS STARR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
>...did you see the RAP Video (forgot the name) on MTV where a guy is
doing 3 Card Monte?
Pete:
You WATCH MTV?!? I'm impressed!
-Chris
Msg #16787 Dated 1:44:21 08-31-91 -> 16800
From: CHRIS STARR
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
>>....Talk to Joe about a Biro video...
You know, after reading that line it just occurred to me that there is
NO Biro video...how come, Pete?
You know the great thing about living here in Wichita, the abortion
protest capital of the world, is when we locals aren't dodging the
protesters, and when I'm not trying to do 3 card monte for the CNN
cameras, we DO get to see (for free!) those fabulous Joe Stevens
videos getting produced!!
;-) <>
-Chris
Msg #16789 Dated 2:29:15 08-31-91 16763 <--> 16801
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
Indeed it does; hope you like the Chest and glad you liked the video.
Msg #16790 Dated 6:37:32 08-31-91 -> 16891
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID
Re: .
About private messages......The US area on MAGIC!-NL is a so called
echo mail area and does not allow prvate messages, but in any of the
other area's (like social talk) you are prompted if you want the
message to be private yes or no.
I suggest you post your message in any of those areas. So from the
main menu for the message area. to change area, and select
the message area that suits your message most.
.
Arnaud
.
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
Msg #16791 Dated 6:37:43 08-31-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
MAGIC!-NL Sat 31 Aug 91 15:19
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
I do not know wether he still does his stage act. But I do know
that if he does it will only be a few times a year. Unfortunately
the market in Holland does not offer many possibilities to do a
stage act, unless one works, like me, in one of the speciality
places (mideaval partys, carribean party houses etc.). Soo it might
be he does not do it anymore. It is no good to do an act if you
can only do it a few times a year. But you are right, his act was
one of the best.
---
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---
Msg #16792 Dated 6:37:55 08-31-91 -> 16820
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
MAGIC!-NL Sat 31 Aug 91 15:25
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Well Pete, will we ever win, I do not know, but I do know that
the main problem is not that lecturers or dealers do not supply
or wholesale, the problem is that stealing has become socially
acceptable! We should not accept it, tarr and feather the
thieves!
Send them to Siberia, or better still we should force the
bastards to learn palming! Too many times the theft is covered
by the cloack of 'It is logical that he staels, if he cannot
acquire it in a normal way'. This I suspect comes from a feeling
that everyone has a RIGHT to everything. It is greed and a lack
of respect!
---
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---
Msg #16793 Dated 6:38:07 08-31-91 -> 16892
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
MAGIC!-NL Sat 31 Aug 91 15:31
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Of course, when something is not available, the seduction to
stealing becomes larger, a black market value starts to exist.
But I would not like to include this in the equation at all. I
feel one
has every right to sell something or not and one should never
consider that when one does not supply, that it will attract
thieves. It is a different matter. A different problem. I like to
keep these things seperate. Keep your freedom about what you sell,
and anybody and anything which threatens your freedom should be
fought. I do not want to be pushed into a certain direction I do
not want, just to keep thieves off my back, I prefer to do things
as I see fit, and fight the thieves if they are there.
Otherwise these crooks would get things their way, I would supply
because of the mere threat these thieves are making!
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #16795 Dated 6:43:12 08-31-91 16768 <--> 16807
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Thats especially good news, Max. Will be looking forward to going
to Walden Books and picking up a copy when it comes out.
Msg #16796 Dated 6:43:17 08-31-91 16769 <--> 16814
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Last night was the first time I'd seen Moschen's Triangle. Put a big
smile on my face.
Msg #16797 Dated 6:43:22 08-31-91 16770 <--> 16805
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Well, gold stars aren't the kind of extra credit I need right now
what with the great mansion exchange going on.
Msg #16798 Dated 6:43:28 08-31-91 16775 <--> 16915
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Is that you, Evan? I will be west coasting it in October. If I make
LA it will be only for one or two nights max but will let you know
just as soon as I know. A friend has gotten me a one or two day "gig"
in LV so I will be there for a few days. I hope to hit LA on my way
out. Maybe on my birthday, October 7, before arriving LV on the 9th
thru the 13. Since deciding to return to Music City October looks
like it will be an eventful month. Monkeys, huh?
Msg #16799 Dated 6:43:37 08-31-91 16780 <--> 16835
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SCRIPT
Was good talking to you the other day. See you soon.
Msg #16800 Dated 6:43:41 08-31-91 16787 <--> 16818
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHRIS STARR (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I'm with you Chris. Would like to see a Biro video. Pete is an
excellent teacher.
Msg #16801 Dated 6:43:46 08-31-91 16789 <--> 16810
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
I did like the video, T A. Still do and will be using some of the
stuff. Hope you sold out.
Msg #16805 Dated 9:33:22 08-31-91 16758 <--> 16806
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Is that a switch on "We went to different schools together?"
Msg #16806 Dated 9:33:26 08-31-91 16759 <--> 16811
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Both... unfortunately SI is much like the Carson show... lower pay
for the privilege... but good exposure.
Actually I have achieved ALL of my boyood goals.
Pictures in: Life, Sports Illustrated
On a team that won the Indy 500 (1975)
Booked on the Carson Show (although I didn't appear on it).
Drove a Ferrari.
What more could one want?
Msg #16807 Dated 9:33:38 08-31-91 16760 <--> 16808
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Actually the back up is from the folks watching my lectures.
Msg #16808 Dated 9:33:43 08-31-91 16761 <--> 16813
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I always had the fear that Processed Words would sometimes come
out like Processed Cheese.
.
Any idea what they do to Process Cheese?
Msg #16810 Dated 9:33:55 08-31-91 16763 <--> 16822
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
Saw an old movie last night with the Chest of Destiny.... Sophia
Loren!
Msg #16811 Dated 9:34:00 08-31-91 16765 <--> 16826
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Tabaloo... do you have to pay BOTH ascap and bmi or wha?
Gotcher Gripping FAX.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm weird?
Msg #16812 Dated 9:34:06 08-31-91 16766 <--> 16827
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Horseshit? Or did you mean horses hit?
Can't agree with you more....
Max 1
David 0
Msg #16813 Dated 9:34:14 08-31-91 16768 <--> 16815
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Nice to see you doing something legit! Success!!! As Topper Martyn
is wont to say....
Msg #16814 Dated 9:34:19 08-31-91 16769 <--> 16817
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
M. Moschen is the closest I have seen to Bobby May. The 3 ball
jug in the wooden angled structure is certainly a unique idea.
Was well worth staying up for... reminded me of Bobby May standing
on his head on an elevated pedestal and juggling upside down by
bouncing 7, count 'em 7 balls on a drum!
If Tabman's Woodworks will build one of those I would like to see
how hard it is to do .
His precision in throwing is unbelievable.
Did You catch Ricky the night before on a Letterman re run?
Msg #16815 Dated 9:34:31 08-31-91 16774 <--> 16887
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Craig Dickens boss... he has one eye, wears a patch... one of my
FAVORITE acts... cuz he is different...
Don't see how he can work a small joint like the Palace of Mysery
at the Castle tho... needs big stage...
Msg #16817 Dated 9:34:43 08-31-91 16782 <--> 16828
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
I also would guess the BB King fans were disappointed that he only
did one (and not a representative of him) tune... Three killers on
one night... David, BB and MM.... what more could one want?
Msg #16818 Dated 9:34:50 08-31-91 16786 <--> 16819
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHRIS STARR (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Actually I watch VH1 probably a bit more than MTV.
Frankly, and I am not kidding.... anyone seriously thinking about
being a magial performer MUST watch other forms of entertainment
to SEE WHERE THE TIMES ARE... WHAT IS HAPPENING... WHAT YOU ARE
COMPETING WITH...
If I were going to try to make it full time in magic I would hire
a wardrobe designer, a scenic designer, a musical director, a
choreographer, a voice coach, a writer (for the spoken part) and
spend the afternoons working out and taking dance lessons.
Did I mention a light/sound technician? And even a magic consultant.
Msg #16819 Dated 9:35:03 08-31-91 16787 <--> 16821
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHRIS STARR (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Joe and I have discussed a Biro video. What I would like to do
first is the Ken Brooke range of magic, the effects of his that I
do. This is a dual purpose video. One to make some money. Two, to
aid Joe in selling Ken Brooke line of magic... WE DO HAVE SOME
FOOTAGE OF KEN, but it is not his line of magic, it was done before
he started Ken Brooke's Magic Place, and is primarily the Linking
Rings, Cups and Balls and a series of things he learned from Slydini
and a couple of odd close up items.
Before I do it, however, read my previous message... and I want to
lose 20 lbs. (without being in a knife fight)!
Msg #16820 Dated 9:35:16 08-31-91 16792 <--> 16832
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I know. Stealing is worldwide and not just with magic. Ideas,
computer inventions, look at the Banks in the USA....
I know my boycott of Tannen has not HURT them, but if many feel the
same and it grows it can have some effect. (They will steal more
expensive things so they have to sell less to make money?)...
.
Thanks for the News on Phoa... if you see him please tell him we
are thinking of him. I have gone over some of his stuff (from his
notes and books "SEASONS" with Jade and she is looking at it very
carefully...)
.
Hope all is good and you are getting lots done on your book! When
you come back, bring some of your lecture notes, I know a few of
the folks on MAGIC! are interested in reading them. Make sure they
Pay $$$$!
Msg #16821 Dated 9:35:34 08-31-91 16800 <--> 16830
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Maybe will just steal a camera and do my own out in the backyard.
Msg #16822 Dated 9:35:39 08-31-91 16801 <--> 16825
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
Hope TA still has one left. When I am back in the Positive Cash
Flow position will get one. Unless someone would like to make a
clandestine copy...... JUST KIDDING.... HONEST.... CHEEESH...
For some reason I have completely missed fact that the TA man,
not the TAB man, HAS A VIDEO FO' SALE....
Msg #16825 Dated 11:21:17 08-31-91 16810 <--> 16834
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
Ah hah! So you haven't achieved all your boyhood goals.......
Msg #16826 Dated 11:21:21 08-31-91 16811 <--> 16836
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Actually you have to pay them ALL. There are a couple of other
collection agencies, though they are smaller, SESAC being #3 on the
totum. If ASCAP is barking at the show it's a cinch that BMI will be
sniffing around soon. If you want me to check let me know and I'll
do it on Tuesday. The letter I faxxed you was pretty weird. Sounds
like some kind of rancid grapes to me. I've read about all this
kind of stuff over the years but first time I've seen its' ugly
head. Oh well, happy for the heavy leather snake boots you made me.
Msg #16827 Dated 11:21:31 08-31-91 16812 <--> 16884
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Horseh it! My dad used to say that when he put horseradish on his
blackeyed peas and ham hocks. Yum, am getting hungry for some
southern cooking. Won't be long (knock on wood).
Msg #16828 Dated 11:21:37 08-31-91 16814 <--> 16829
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Was it made of wood? I can't believe I missed that. Thought it was
sheet metal. I loved the sounds of the balls as they carrommed (sp?)
about. I would like to hear it with a piano player or an orchestra.
What a great sense of timing and humor!
Msg #16829 Dated 11:21:43 08-31-91 16817 <--> 16837
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Tonight was excellent last night. Maybe Carson is pulling out stops
for his last few months on the tube. Hope so. Smooooooth having
Letterman on and asking him why he was "pissed off" about not getting
the job after Carson set him up in business. Carson is a classy guy.
Msg #16830 Dated 11:21:51 08-31-91 16818 <--> 16831
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Sounds like a rock and roll show. Great! There is so much to learn.
Msg #16831 Dated 11:21:55 08-31-91 16819 <--> 16833
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
With a few exceptions; Lean and Mean is the way to fly. I should take
your advice, in fact, I will. I will loose 35 lbs. Heck I've got
hams that weigh more than that.
Msg #16832 Dated 11:22:01 08-31-91 16820 <--> 16840
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Tommy was gracious enough to send me a set of his lecture notes and
two super photos of him. His photos and notes show extreme creativity
and understanding of not only who he is, but what he does. His
photo with the "cage" is perhaps the best "action" promo shot in
color I have ever seen. I left him a message on the Dutch system
suggesting that it might be possible to bring him to Nashville in
93 or 94 if we can work out the details. The "cage" photo alone is
worth $ to anyone who wants to unlock the killer creator within.
A humbling kind of thing. Unfortunately for my phone bill I have
been pretty regular to MAGIC-NL. It must be the water in Holland
that makes for great magic; or maybe it's the chocolate but I'm
hooked!!
Msg #16833 Dated 11:22:15 08-31-91 16821 <--> 16839
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Just borrow a 3/4 inch recorder and dub to 1 inch to master it and
run your dubs off a 3/4 inch copy master. Forget it, just steal a
camera and do it in the back yard. Having birds chirping in the
background would be quite pleasant for mid winter watching in the
Yukon. Call em Biro presents "Magic in my backyard" Vol 1. No fluff
videos for 22 bux postpaid. Let's really test the perameters of this
home taping thing!!! Instead of "basement tapes" Joe Stevens could
adv "backyard tapes". A magic kind of experience by the birdbath with
Pete Biro. Has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
Msg #16834 Dated 11:22:25 08-31-91 16822 <--> 16842
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
TA's video has some excellent magic on it. Not complicated at all
and with the right presentation (TA requests that you apply your
own creativity to the effects that he presents to you) simply
knockout to the uninitiated. A couple of prediction effects that
again given strong presentation would make their tongues drag the
ground. I've got to go back and look at, I think it's called Triposte
again to pick up the important details. Very strong. I could play
this one for real. Last time in Nash I did a boon writer thing in
the demo studio with two cats. Simply "wrote" down two numbers and
then hadem give em to me. Pretty funny and I never took the boon
off the whole time. Waited about a half hour til I could dig around
in my briefcase for something. Triposte is ten times stronger.
If T A is sold out, I'll send you this one when I get finished with
it and you can send it back to me when you get finished with it. I
should try to find a copy of my video for you. The one that went #5 o
CMTV. It's the reason I've been hiding out for the last six years.
Called (for real) _The Night Porter Wagoner Came To Town_.
Msg #16835 Dated 11:56:01 08-31-91 16799 <--> 16849
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SCRIPT
Yes sir. Figured me calling would throw you off. Have sent the
package I spoke of. Mailed yesterday. Should get it by mid-week.
Looking forward to seeing the Moretti or Sons tape. Thanks for
obtaining it. Cathc ya later. MIKE.
Msg #16836 Dated 12:06:54 08-31-91 16826 <--> 16850
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Any/All info re payment wood be nice to know....
Msg #16837 Dated 12:06:58 08-31-91 16828 <--> 16838
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TONIGHT
I didn't think it was humorous? Skill but funny? No. Or is it my
comment that had a great sense of timing and humor?
Msg #16838 Dated 12:07:02 08-31-91 16829 <--> 16846
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TONIGHT
That was a classic interview. I am sure Letterman would like to
have the job (he said so) ... but HE HAS HIS OWN KILLER SHOW.
He is aimed at a different audience. College age and those that
think they still are. The Carson aud is too conservative for Dave.
Perfect for LENO. The choice was correct. And Letterman is not
doing poorly... house in Connecticut and house in Malibu!!! Hah.
Sure wish he would have invested in the race car team I was working
on for him. Got the letters someplace in this mess. Would like to
see him again and talk about it one more time.
Msg #16839 Dated 12:07:13 08-31-91 16831 <--> 16841
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I have 20 lbs that MUST go.... Will hold a fat sale?
Msg #16840 Dated 12:07:19 08-31-91 16832 <--> 16854
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The great Dutch magic began when Henk Vermeyden used to take in
students. Henk trained them in the acting, lighting, production
values and creativity. His foremost student was Mystica, who later
became Fred Kaps. Altho they had a falling out later. Henk also
worked with Richard Ross and Ger Copper. Not sure of the order.
Though Ross had a big assist with Ger. It is just like a swimming
situation. For awhile a certain area has all the olympic stars.
That is because the great coach was from there and the coach will
"pull" students from all corners of the country. So they seem to
all be from same area... only learn in area.
The Long Beach Mystics are the same as Holland... a great number
of the members all made it to the big time. Partly because of the
stimulation of one against the other....
Msg #16841 Dated 12:07:34 08-31-91 16833 <--> 16847
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
They ring like a bell!
Msg #16842 Dated 12:07:39 08-31-91 16834 <--> 16844
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
T A 'IS' sending me one of his video tapes. Will check it out.
You wanna killer standup try Al Koran's Gold Medalion. There have
been several improved versions on the market, but for sheer simple
Koran had it. I worked one out with Finn Jon using a military type
medal. I think he either put in lecture or marketed it. Used a
shell and was very clean. But the nice thing about the Koran mode
is there is no gaff and it is all sell.
Alan Shaxon's "Confabulation" (triple prediction) is another killer
effect. There are other ways to do it, but Shaxon's is the cleanest.
(I know TA or Max will come on and let us know of a cleaner method)
(I hope they do) -- as the Shaxon one does require preparation.
Not "H" -- (carbon paper)... Fogel's Second Spot (Psychometry) would
be right up your street. It is all Horses hit... the ability to
schmooze verbally and verbosely is all you need...
I once did this for a woman's group and even with my type of crap
gags... they thought I was a real psychic... was scared for sure!
I also have a neat dictionary where all the pages in it are the
same (except a few at front and back).
In my fumble opinion it would be NO SWEAT to put together a fairly
strong mental act (trick/prop-wise) and the key, of course, is all
in the PERCEPTION of the audience. This being accomplished by the
visual/verbal acting ability of the worker. Being a total dummy
sitting there in bad clothes acting like you yourself have no idea
how this is happening would be an approach I would like to use.
Msg #16844 Dated 12:46:41 08-31-91 16834 <--> 16856
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
Hey! I want to see the CMTV video too! Really. Seriously. Please.
Msg #16846 Dated 12:49:40 08-31-91 16828 <--> 16851
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Looked to me like it was very thick foamcore. I didn't think it was
either wood or sheet metal.
Msg #16847 Dated 12:52:21 08-31-91 16833 <--> 16853
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
We don't have the studio or the birdbath, but we have some 425+ line
cameras with AFM stereo sound, picture-in-picture capability and a few
other goodies...
Msg #16849 Dated 13:48:33 08-31-91 16835 <--> 16921
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SCRIPT
I'll bring the tape west with me and we can take a look at it
together. Some scarey stuff. The way the mail around ehre has been
going no telling when I'll get yo package. Maybe sooner than later.
Msg #16850 Dated 13:48:39 08-31-91 16836 <--> 16894
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
OK, will find out on Tuesday unless they took an xtra day off as
the music business has been know to do on any occasion. Will let you
know.
Msg #16851 Dated 13:48:45 08-31-91 16837 <--> 16852
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Interesting. I find humor in watching a highly skilled performer
enjoy his/her work. You've gotta understand that you're talking to
a tabman. Anything that makes me smile goes in the humorous pile
I guess. Your comments, of course, always exhibit a great sense
of timing and humor!
Msg #16852 Dated 13:48:52 08-31-91 16838 <--> 16858
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Maybe Letterman is ready for race cars now that he's out of the runni
ng for TONIGHT.
Msg #16853 Dated 13:48:58 08-31-91 16839 <--> 16855
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Will hold an auction. A fat auction! Any skinny guys out there want
to bid on some blubber?
Msg #16854 Dated 13:49:03 08-31-91 16840 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I view the Bamberg family as the epitomy of Dutch magic history. The
era of Henk Vermeyden brought about an entirely different set of
performing geniuses. My interet in magical woodworking led me to the
life of Okito which caused me to examine both forward and back as
much as I've been able. I am very impressed with the Dutch magicians
of today also. Perhaps the size of the country and the hard border
conditions of the past caused them to gather together in support of
each other (and criticism I'm certain); much like the famed Long
Beach Mystics. I have an appreciation for both American boldness as
well as European style.
Msg #16855 Dated 13:49:14 08-31-91 16841 <--> 16939
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I can see Leghorn Rooster doing the outro saying "They ring like a
bell son, they ring like a bell." That's all folks!
Msg #16856 Dated 13:49:19 08-31-91 16842 <--> 16857
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
From what I have seen, both Max and TA are both masters of the
subtle. The boys go, "show us a trick, tabman!" And sometimes I
do. I tell em that what they are going to see might make them think
that I have mental powers beyond that of a normal human, but I
assure them that it's a trick. Since I'm bsing half the time, all
the time; they don't know whether to believe me or not. When they
want me to do it again for somebody else, I tell em I can't do it
but once or twice a year. It's just too darn draining. I have been
pretty good at predicting their future thus far. The triple predict
on T A's tape will slay them. Prof El Tab II
Msg #16857 Dated 13:49:31 08-31-91 16844 <--> 16860
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
OK, I'll try to have some copies made of the 3/4 I've got sumwhar
and send it to you. You'll die when you see it. I almost did!
Msg #16858 Dated 13:49:36 08-31-91 16846 <--> 16859
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TONIGHT
It had a metalic sound to it, kind of like a steel drum. I stand on
steel.
Msg #16859 Dated 14:33:27 08-31-91 16858 <--> 16866
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Well, you've got a better ear and a better television, so if you say it
was steel, I guess it was steel.
Msg #16860 Dated 14:35:06 08-31-91 16857 <--> 16868
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
I'm lookin' forward to seein' it. Almost got myself a 3/4" machine
once, but decided to pass on it. I do have 1/2" reel-to-reel if you
need to send it that way.
Msg #16863 Dated 14:51:33 08-31-91 -> 16870
From: GEORGE L WILLIAMS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RICKY JAY ON LETTERMAN
Letterman is rude... I think it's a large part of his appeal to his
audience.
It was when Jay moved from the real time discussion and began his
"recitation",
that Letterman rolled his eyes and started his bored mugging for the
camera.
Jay's pacing was fine but he'd have done better, WITH LETTERMAN, had he
skipped
the accompanying story. Once he lost Letterman, the audience
followed...But the
effect was so strong that Letteman ad audience where his again, as
soon as he
revealed the transposition. Seemed like a short set - I liked to have
seen some
moreLately, I've gotten into the habit of checking the first few
minutes of
Carson and Letterman to see whose on. Carson especially seems to be
presenting
many more magicians lately. Almost as if during his remaining months
he's
presenting the stuff HE likes.
Msg #16864 Dated 15:06:57 08-31-91 -> 16871
From: BARRY GITELSON
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: HAWAII
Br
hew....don't know where all that gibberish came from!!!!! Aloha
Bruce.On the island of Maui there is a magician named Jim Burns who
goes under the stage name of The Great Zucchini. A very nice person
who has been over performing at our annual show a couple of times. I
don't have his number handy but he is listed in the phone book under
his real name. I do know that he spends the summer touring the
mainland and as of last week he was still away. Sorry you can't make it
over to the Big Island. If you happen to change your mind I am in the
phone book under magicians.
Msg #16866 Dated 18:34:11 08-31-91 16846 <--> 16873
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Are you talking about the TRIANGLE used for the ball juggling?
I couldn't be foamcore... it wouldn't give the bounce. BELIEVE ME,
those LaCrosse Balls you juggle with are very heavy. You cannot
get spin off ANY OTHER KIND OF BALL.
My guess it is very substantially built stuff. Most likely WOOD.
Msg #16867 Dated 18:34:19 08-31-91 -> 16902
From: PETE BIRO
To: ER
Re: THUNKS A LOT... ARGH...
S
Er;16855
Ding ding ding, right?
Msg #16868 Dated 18:34:26 08-31-91 16856 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: T A WATERS VIDEO
Zounds good to me El Professor!
Msg #16870 Dated 18:34:37 08-31-91 16863 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GEORGE L WILLIAMS (X)
Re: RICKY JAY ON LETTERMAN
Good note "Stuff HE Likes" why not. I hope he does specials, etc.
when the Tonight Show changes over.
Msg #16871 Dated 18:34:42 08-31-91 16864 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: HAWAII
Is Freddy Ball (AKA Freddy Shaka) still working in Hawaii?
Msg #16873 Dated 22:06:31 08-31-91 16866 <--> 16893
From: EDDIE GOLDSTEIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Why doesn't somebody just call up the Tonight Show, or MM and ask?
Msg #16876 Dated 22:38:47 08-31-91 -> 16907
From: PETE PERATA
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Unfortunately for me, I have never heard of Mr. Joseph, nor his tapes.
I am though very interested and will check into it. Does he perform
for clubs or casinos? I go to Vegas quite a bit, I'vr got some family
there. But I'm curious to see him. Let me know.
Msg #16877 Dated 22:42:11 08-31-91 -> 16998
From: PETE PERATA
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
I just got told by Pete Biro that a man named George Joseph does some
pretty good miracles with Gambling (card) techniques. I was wondering
if you have heard of him. I never have. Like I said, cards have
always held a ceartin "mysticism" for me. I worked in a magic store
for about two years owned by a magician (go figure, right?) and I
worked with two other boys besides myself. One worked stage magic,
mostly livestock, the other worked parlor and stage, roses candles and
the like, and I did close up. But I grew very fond of cards, and the
rouines with them comprise 90% of my magic (dare I say,collection?) I
do enjoy Gambling routines, slights, etc. I found that after a while,
nobody would play cards with me, even if I was playing straight. I
think it was Harry Anderson who said, never play cards with a
magician....Hmmmmmm. One more thing, have you heard of Louis Falanga?
He made a thick booklet called Lake Tahoe Card magic, and it might be
of interest to you.
Msg #16880 Dated 22:59:13 08-31-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SUBSCRIPTION SCHEDULE
When I set the schedule, with a cutoff date of September 1st, I had a
great deal of opimism about my family's letting me work on a three day
weekend. Subsequently, I have learned that there are other plans
beside my own. So, the actual changeover will occur on Tuesday rather
than at midnight tonite.
Msg #16884 Dated 23:21:40 08-31-91 16784 <--> 16885
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I would prefer being quoted a bit more in full, Max. There were two
statements in that message, of which you quoted 1/2 of one. The first
was, "Well, at least the lecturer should consider considering it." and
the second was "I still think that a blanket denial of video-notes as
an extension of the lecture format is an abrogation of real thought
about the concept."
Actually, until a year or two ago, I wwas 100% on your side of this
issue. I had several very reasonable arguments for my position. But
what I have come to realize is the the use of video has changed -
personal videotape and computer diskettes are now, at best, the
paperback books of our society. They are, quite literally, disposable
media. They are no longer more sacred than pencil notes.
This, of course, is quite distinct from the other uses that the
technology can be put to - commercial television and commercial grade
videos.
But the issue has apparently taken on an emotional intensity quite
beyond the scope I would have expected. I feel that the forces allied
against my position - both in quality and quantity - have provided more
heat than light on this topic. This leads me to believe that the real
issues are significant and yet that they have gone unspoken; or perhaps
unspoken in a manner in which I am clearly seeing their significance.
Msg #16885 Dated 23:35:37 08-31-91 16812 <--> 16886
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I don't remember reading about your having been appointed scorekeeper
in the video-note debate. FISM is over, you know.
Msg #16886 Dated 23:36:53 08-31-91 16827 <--> 16909
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
YEAH! I haven't had black eyed peas and greens since New Year's
morning. Have had the peas, but not the greens.
Msg #16887 Dated 23:38:24 08-31-91 16807 <--> 16888
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
If you are depending on the folks who watch your lectures for back-up,
I hope there is nothing of significance on your hard disk.
Msg #16888 Dated 23:40:14 08-31-91 16808 <--> 16889
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
There are many mysteries in life besides those in magic, Pete. I think
that Processed Cheese is one of 'em.
Msg #16889 Dated 23:41:19 08-31-91 16815 <--> 16910
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Apparently, Craig Dickens isn't well known at the Castle as the
schedule lists him as Craig Stevens.
Msg #16891 Dated 23:48:07 08-31-91 16790 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: .
Thanks for the info, Arnaud. I'm afraid that these particular private
messages have been delayed. I will attempt to move 'em to MAGIC-NL
tonite.
Msg #16892 Dated 23:52:22 08-31-91 16793 <--> 16920
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
THank you for your insightful message, Tommy. I believe that my
original about thievery was a reply to the suggestion that the release
of video-notes would encourage thievery. I was pointing out that the
reverse is actually true - that the release of legitimate material
(with a profit to the magician) at a reasonable cost actually REDUCES
the value of the black market material.
The key point of the entire thread, in my mind, is that as creators and
producers we MUST come to grips with the newer media such as videotape.
That we must understand them as new and unique technologies, _not_ as
mere extensions of the television experience, and that we must learn to
use them as a part of deriving income from the creative process, just
as the various methods of performance (live, television, videotape),
lectures, lecture notes, and the sales of books and manufactured
effects are used. I really believe that the day in which we could
simply shun these newer media is gone. History is full of examples of
individuals and groups who have tried to fight off the rise of new
technologies and they have all failed. The first ones to master the
creative potential of the new media will hold the future in their
hands.
Msg #16893 Dated 0:02:03 09-01-91 16866 <--> 16904
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Whatever it was - foamcore, wood or steel - it was great! But
actually, I liked the glass ball routine even better.
Msg #16894 Dated 0:02:56 09-01-91 16797 <--> 16895
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
I kinda figured it wasn't gold stars that you needed, but I ain't got
anything else to give out at the moment.
Msg #16895 Dated 0:03:42 09-01-91 16805 <--> 16896
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Yes, it pretty much was a switch on "we went to different schools
together" but it was true - all of us went to Palm Beach Junior College
within a few years of each other. The reason I singled Anita out was
that Burt always speaks highly of one of his teachers there - Watson B.
Duncan III - and Anita had classes with WBD 3 while I didn't.
Msg #16896 Dated 0:06:29 09-01-91 16806 <--> 17475
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
My problem was that I achieved most, if not all, of my boyhood goals
fairly early in life and it was downhill after that!
Msg #16902 Dated 0:30:23 09-01-91 16867 <--> 16905
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THUNKS A LOT... ARGH...
Er, Pete, your message #16867 is another one of those strange messages
addressed to "ER" - Fine with me, but does lead to a lot of one sided
conversation since "ER" is not registered on MAGIC!
Msg #16904 Dated 0:40:13 09-01-91 16893 <--> 16906
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TONIGHT
I can't imagine why anyone would want to know the material from which
the triangle was constructed.
For those who are interested in seeing Moschen perform the triangle
routine again, he will be on the Jerry Lewis telethon on Sunday, in the
segment from 9:30 to 10:20 PM (Pacific time).
Franz Harary will be doing two segments, one on Sunday between 7:30 and
8:20 PM, and one on Monday morning between 6:40 and 7:20 AM. Lance
Burton and Melinda are also doing the show, but I don't have time info
on their appearances.
Msg #16905 Dated 0:44:49 09-01-91 16902 <--> 16943
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THUNKS A LOT... ARGH...
It happens with IMP when I send via E instead of R, I guess. Hmmmm?
Msg #16906 Dated 0:45:54 09-01-91 16873 <--> 16912
From: PETE BIRO
To: EDDIE GOLDSTEIN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
ASk what? About the construction of the triangle? It doesn't matter
to me -- I don't plan on stealing it.
Msg #16907 Dated 0:45:59 09-01-91 16876 <--> 16946
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE PERATA
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
George Joseph is working "surveillance" as far as I know at one
of the Casinos. It is pretty hard to track these guys down, as
the job is *somewhat* undercover.
I believe Joe Stevens, in Wichita, handles the tapes. You might
check in on the Wed. night magic Club meetings (every wed nite)
David, the other one, here online can probably help out better on
this one.
Joseph also has some manuscripts printed on hand mucking.
.
He also is a very good singer. I have seen him work in lounges in
Vegas. You also remind me, I loaned my tapes to a friend and I had
better call and get them back!
Msg #16909 Dated 0:46:22 09-01-91 16885 <--> 16913
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
FISM is on in Japan, we are already working on it. Besides, I am
on the Jury for the Annual Contest ad Spaghetti feed here in
Oakland area. Tsk? Argh///\\\ Woof.
My Max 1, David 0, just is my opinion of that message.
Frankly, I don't think anybody has to be talked into or out of
their desire to be taped. Scotch or otherwise.
.
If I do a video I plan on having the following WARNING LABEL.
.
WARNING: This is a video produced by and for Pete Biro and those
that purchase it. IT IS 100-PERCENT OK, to copy and duplicate this
tape. However, should you, the least you can do is send 50-percent
of the purchase price to the fellow named Biro.
.
Otherwise you are being a nasty person and FOE ON YOU, you will
have difficulty sleeping nights!
.
And besides, if you copy it and send me the money, it keeps me
from having to have a large inventory and worrying about the post
office losing it!
.
OK?
Msg #16910 Dated 0:46:46 09-01-91 16887 <--> 16911
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
The "back up" I refer to is the musical kind, you know, "Wha Wah,
Doo Wop, Wha Wha"....
Msg #16911 Dated 0:46:50 09-01-91 16889 <--> 16954
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
It either ain't him or he changed his name or it is a type-O!
Msg #16912 Dated 0:46:54 09-01-91 16893 <--> 16914
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Biro 1
David 0
The glass ball(s) routine TO ME, was too long and too much the
same... but what do I know? I like Bobby May better.
Moschen is indeed UNIQUE but TO ME not an entertainer (I know many
will scream and holler... but I AM ONLY JUDGING WHAT I HAVE SEEN,
my guess that he does a longer set and becomes stronger. Just like
on of the funniest all time Vegas comics, Shecky Greene... when he
did TV and was stuck with 5-10 minutes he was terrible... did not
have time to establish....
.
I would like to see him do a longer show.
Msg #16913 Dated 0:46:09 09-01-91 16884 <--> 16918
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
If you still can't tell the differences between videotapes and pencil
notes, it's not my concern. In the future, do not impute "abrogation of
real thought" to me. It is not how I approach the things I elect to
comment on.
Msg #16914 Dated 1:16:35 09-01-91 16838 <--> 16933
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
I have never seen Letterman look so uncomfortable as he did during that
porition of the interview.
Msg #16915 Dated 1:20:06 09-01-91 16798 <--> 16935
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
If you are here for your birthday, we will have to cook up some
particularly evil things to do for you.
Msg #16918 Dated 1:50:58 09-01-91 16884 <--> 16931
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
As I've indicated before, I think you are simply wrong in equating
note-taking with taping; the one requires personal effort and
involvement on the part of the person, the other is automatic -- and
note-taking provides an outline, while taping is A COMPLETE RECORD --
and -- to keep saying this -- the lecturer is providing ONE experience
of his lecture for the fee set; he (or she) is not giving you that
experience in perpetuity or in a form that can be experienced by others
not present at the original occasion. The two things are very, very
different in process and result and cannot be equated.
Msg #16920 Dated 1:56:41 09-01-91 16892 <--> 16932
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
David, this isn't about new technologies; it's about thieves. Look --
I live in a less than upper class part of Hollywood, and I rather like
it. As it happens, twice in the past week I have been subjected to
physical attacks in my perigrinations about my neighborhood. That
these did not succeed is irrelevant, except that I am still here to
talk about them. The point is that it's a reality that there is a
rising level of violence in this society -- but what am I supposed to
do in response? Simply accept that it's dangerous and stay home? Even
if people put out videos to "lessen the value of black market tapes",
they are still responding to an illegal act.
New technologies often present new ethical questions; this ain't one.
Msg #16921 Dated 2:25:11 09-01-91 16849 <--> 16930
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SCRIPT
OooooKeeeee DoooooKeeeeee, sounds good to me. Just let me know when
you do recieve it. Hope you like an idea or two that I have come up
with. Most of the stuff meets my two big wants. PACKS FLAT; LOOKS BIG
ON STAGE. Talk at ya later, Tabman. MIKE.
Msg #16923 Dated 5:57:03 09-01-91 -> 16938
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LECTURES
MAGIC!-NL Sat 31 Aug 91 15:59
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
In many ways I am a quite lucky guy. I have been travelling so
much over the years. Visiting different coutries, and I found
that everywhere you come, although life might be organised in a
different way, people are basically the same. Once one has
experienced that, it is hard to believe what some political
leaders try their people to believe, like that another coountry
consist of bad people!
Just wish that anybody would have this opportunity, to visit
different cultures, and make friends there. I am sure there would
be far less problems in the world!
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #16925 Dated 5:57:20 09-01-91 -> 16940
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: DEDICATION
MAGIC!-NL Sun 01 Sep 91 02:18
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
An interesting bit of history on Vanni Bossi. If there is one man
who is dedicated to achieve perfection, it must be him. It is a
story I heard a few years ago and could not believe. Beginning of
this year I met Vanni and asked him about it. The following is
actually true!
Years ago he was doing a routine involving a chinatown half, the
one where the hole is filled with a piece of paper or something
like
that. He wanted to display the coin on his hand and he was not
totally satisfied with the flesh coloured insert. He felt it was
not a perfect match. He then proceeded to cut from the palm of
his own hand a piece of skin! This was placed into the coin. The
hand
healed, and he had what he thought a perfect chinatown half.
The only problem, it turned out, was that since the skin was no
longer connected to a living breathing person, it started to
discolour. But what a dedication! To cut into your oown hand
yourself! And continue to nicely remove a circular piece of skin.
He told me he had done some research on how to do it in a safe
way,
nevertheless I am not too sure about this type of dedication.
A little less would be okay with me.
Thought I should let you know this.
Bye.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #16930 Dated 7:02:21 09-01-91 16921 <--> 16949
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SCRIPT
Hi Mike, have you picked up a crossbow yet? Looking 4ward to getting
your pkg and will holler at you. If you can get it in two castered
flight cases, you be doing good!!
Msg #16931 Dated 8:08:14 09-01-91 16886 <--> 16937
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Down in Texas they put a dime in the peas at New Years. Lucky dime,
and if you get it in your plate, you get lucky. The year "Lookin For
Love" went platinum, Johnny Lee got the dime. I was there and saw it.
Msg #16932 Dated 8:08:21 09-01-91 16892 <--> 16958
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
In general, look what the embracement of television has done to the
American family (I know your family doesn't watch much, but ya'll
ain't a normal family). It has been a poor substitute for a mother's
love and a father's understanding. The average child watches six
hours a day. That is 1/4 of their life, just sitting watching
somebody else work, have fun, make a living, etc. We are becoming a
nation of voyuers who cannot read nor write effectively. There is
trouble brewing in River City! In the past, to learn generally about
Magic, one requirement was the ability to read for understanding.
I am glad I grew up without a television in our home (as a lad).
Msg #16933 Dated 8:08:32 09-01-91 16904 <--> 16934
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Thanks for the info on Moschen, et al, performing on the JL Telethon
today. Will try to remember to watch during those times.
Msg #16934 Dated 8:08:37 09-01-91 16906 <--> 16941
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
I could never build one either; my shop is just too small.
Msg #16935 Dated 8:08:42 09-01-91 16915 <--> 16956
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
It may well work out that I fly out to LA on Oct 7 and then over to
LV on the 9. It would be fun to celebrate my 46 with you guys. 46
should be a good year. Lessee 4+6=10=1; sounds like some kinda
rebirth thing to me. I'm ready!!!
Msg #16937 Dated 8:08:56 09-01-91 16918 <--> 16945
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
You have also provided a key issue to the debate. That the lecturer
is providing ONE experience. At least with the printed page, the
ability to read is necessary for furthur enlightenment.
Msg #16938 Dated 8:09:02 09-01-91 16923 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: LECTURES
Several years ago, we visited the British Isles to promote a record
I had out at the time. I was so pleased, not only with the response
to the tune, but to the interpersonal relationships that were
established during that time. Just to hang out with some guys at
a neighborhood pub and enjoy a game of darts. To have art transcend
political and cultural boundries (granted, the British Isles aren't
that different, but I've enjoyed hanging out in a hut in SE Asia
having lunch and a smoke from some kind of community water pipe too)
is one of the things that makes artists so important.
Msg #16939 Dated 8:25:00 09-01-91 16819 <--> 16977
From: CHRIS STARR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
The Ken Brooke stuff sounds interesting, I remember when Joe first
got the state-side rights to that stuff, and hammered the hell out of
it for a while, but now it never gets mentioned in his ads, least not
as much it seems, course he has his hands into SOOO much...
Still, I don't think many magicians would care much if you lost 20 lbs
b4 making a video...its not like everyone in the rest of those videos
is off of VH1.
Concerning your comments on all that is necessary anymore to be a
real pro, I must agree whole heartedly! I remember reading Fitzke,
et al who said virtually the same thing 50 years ago! We magicians are
so wrapped up in what effect/sleight/gimmick/ etc etc that we lose
sight of what is entertaining to REAL people. I don't know how old you
are, but I would guess mid-late 40's, and being 32 myself, it pleases
me that you keep up with whats "hip".
Of course, magicians, especially magician/modem geeks/computer nerds
are definitely not normal....
-Chris
Msg #16940 Dated 8:34:29 09-01-91 16925 <--> 16973
From: CHRIS STARR
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DEDICATION
This Vanni Bossi guy sounds a little too much like Jeffrey Dahmer to
me.....
Msg #16941 Dated 10:02:52 09-01-91 16904 <--> 16942
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Thank you for the information on the Moschen, Harary, Burton (the other
one) and Melinda performances on the telethon. Really appreciate it.
Msg #16942 Dated 10:05:44 09-01-91 16912 <--> 16948
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
I thought the glass balls routine was extremely beautiful to watch and
I liked his going from six down to one instead of the usually
increasing routine. I was also impressed with the excellent camera
work that was done on it (although they did miss once).
Msg #16943 Dated 10:07:58 09-01-91 16905 <--> 16947
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THUNKS A LOT... ARGH...
I think that when you are using the Enter function on IMP! you are
supposed to have a message on the screen with a name on it, or are
supposed to fill in the name or something. I'll try and check on it.
Msg #16945 Dated 10:10:06 09-01-91 16909 <--> 16951
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
There was a software outfit that once did a statement something like
"If you copy this software, we reserve the right to sell your IMMORTAL
SOUL to the first fire breathing entity that comes along." The idea of
not having the inventory, the marketing, etc. is uses in the computer
field all the time - it is called shareware.
Msg #16946 Dated 10:24:46 09-01-91 16907 <--> 16981
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE PERATA
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
I haven't heard much about him either, but I have seen his book
at Gambler's Book Club here in Vegas. While I was there, They had
a video of him on the monitors showing how dice can be switched
in and out of a crap game. GBC sells this video as well.
They do send out catalogs.
Their address is:
Gambler's Book Club
630 South 11th St.
Las Vegas, NV
89101
Hope this helps!
David (the other one)
Msg #16947 Dated 10:24:58 09-01-91 16902 <--> 16950
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THUNKS A LOT... ARGH...
David, regarding the rather cryptic "ER" msg, I remember the
original as it came in. It looked like a missed attempt to upload
an IMP style file. The "ER" was placed on the name line and the
first line got accepted as "RE:". I don't know if your records
can prove this or if it was a one time fluke.
David (the other one)
Msg #16948 Dated 10:25:07 09-01-91 16912 <--> 16976
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Pete,
Didn't MM have a PBS special all to himself sometime back? I'd
love to see a tape of this if it exists. I somehow remember
Patrice having a copy, but haven't heard from her in a while.
Does anyone out there know if Michael performs his show on the
road? I'd like to see his performance "live" even more.
David (the other one)
Msg #16949 Dated 10:31:56 09-01-91 16930 <--> 16962
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SCRIPT
Have had a crossbow for a number of months. Spend a good deal of time
practicing with it. Yea, I think the way i am going the act should fit
in a couple of ATA cases, the wheeled variety, and a wardrobe case.
The crossbow I am using is a Horton. Well made/black fiberglass model.
I hope in the future, when things get going (if they do) that I will
use several different crossbows. I also intend on doin a version of
MOVIES TO LIFE, with the push towards Robin Hood/Crusades type film.
I think it could be fun if done correctly. I surely have the contact
in the motion picture business to get the CINE part of it done
correctly. Lokk forward to getting together. Hope things are well
with you and yours. MIKE.
Msg #16950 Dated 10:55:43 09-01-91 16947 <--> 17175
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: THUNKS A LOT... ARGH...
I looked back and can't find any way to determine how the ER got
created by IMP! - It is particularly strange because the system checks
names and, when they don't exist, asks if you want to send the message
anyway. IMP! had to be working hard to overcome that! But now that
you mention it, I do have a theory - thanks.
Msg #16951 Dated 10:59:05 09-01-91 16913 <--> 16952
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
OK, Max, will add "abrogation of real thought" to the list of no-no's
here on MAGIC! I'll put it at the top of the list, and, if you don't
mind, I'll abreviate it:
List of topics to be avoided on MAGIC!
Abrogation of real thought - Ab.O.R.T.
Request from T A - Kudzu
Request from one of the Evans- quotation marks
Request from David L. - Eating of frog's legs
Msg #16952 Dated 11:03:57 09-01-91 16918 <--> 16953
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Your point intrigues me. I find the idea that one is not paying for a
complete record of an experience when one attends a lecture to be at
odds with my notion of what a lecture, by definition, is supposed to be
all about. It seems to move the lecture away from teaching and towards
performance and confuses me - perhaps within magic the term "lecture"
is not defined in the same way as it is in general use?
The notion of personal involvement and effort is a good one and I can
see where the knowledge that video-notes will be made available could
damage the degree of attention that a lecturer has a right to expect.
But the same thing seems to be happening with paper notes when they are
sold. As you recall, the topic of video-notes surfaced as a result of
the discrepancy between David Roth's statements that "it is in the
notes" and the reality that it was not. Paper notes sold at lectures
seem to create lax attention without providing complete reference
information later (let me qualify that - please insert the word "some"
where appropriate).
Msg #16953 Dated 11:16:17 09-01-91 16931 <--> 16961
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I've heard of the dime in the b.e. peas at New Years but I do not
recall it as a part of my own experience. Is it possible to force the
dime?
Msg #16954 Dated 11:18:15 09-01-91 16910 <--> 16955
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Ah! MUSICAL backup! Now I understand! And what a great idea - if I
can incorporate the music on/off feature of the word processor with the
backup system, it should be a killer! Thanks for the idea!
Msg #16955 Dated 11:19:13 09-01-91 16911 <--> 17473
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
It is probably a type-o (Craig Stevens) in the Castle newsletter.
Since I did not attend the performance I didn't know.
Msg #16956 Dated 11:20:38 09-01-91 16935 <--> 16987
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Hmmmm -- I think you would find that Kabbalah would yield the same
results in this case! 46 = two 18's (36) plus 10 and 1+0 = 1, so
rebirth does indeed look like a part of the formula for 46!
Msg #16958 Dated 11:25:14 09-01-91 16920 <--> 16959
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Thieves were, I believe, a peripheral issue to the video note
conversation. The conversation originally began with a discussion of
the David Roth lecture and I believe that the thieves issue became
involved due to the concern about the tapes being copied. An
interesting point was raised by Dante Larsen when he suggested (and I'm
paraphrasing) that bad lecturers would lose attendees as a result of
the tapes becoming available.
I am very upset by hearing about the attacks on your person. Very. As
you know, an attack did "succeeed" all too well on Jimmy Grippo in
January. He has been left with chronic pain and physical problems as
a result. His comment was, "Why did they have to hit an old man? I
would have given them the money."
I have my own thoughts about this - thoughts that you, as MAGIC!'s
CHIEF TORTURER, would probably find amusing. But, as usual, I'm going
to ask that we keep the discussion focused on magic.
Msg #16959 Dated 11:32:38 09-01-91 16932 <--> 16965
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I agree about television. I believe that Harlan Elison, who has
written a great deal of television, described it as "an inherently bad
medium." For many years I thought he was wrong - I have come to the
conclusion that he is RIGHT. Its very nature makes it impossible for
it to do anything other than what it does.
But I would caution you that television and video are two completely
different media. It is a mistake to attempt to understand the two as
one entity.
I do agree that "we are becoming a nation of voyuers who cannot read or
write effectively," BUT I do _not_ agree that the ability to read for
understanding should be a prerequisite to learning about or practicing
magic. While I cannot name any blind magicians off the top of my head,
I am aware of several who are either dyslexic or "learning disabled."
A handicap should not be a barrier to access to magic.
Msg #16961 Dated 11:48:27 09-01-91 16945 <--> 16963
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I noticed that the big shareware guys, like Button, went commercial
as soon as they could, though.
Msg #16962 Dated 11:48:34 09-01-91 16949 <--> 16972
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SCRIPT
I'll look in the weaponry catalog and see if the Horton is in there.
Seems like I remember seeing a black fg in there. Will check. Is the
wardrobe case the one Joe Walsh gave you? I was by Masterfonics in
Music City the other day and thought about your time there. After we
get down there you'll have a good excuse to come back for a visit
and since we'll be in the country, you can hide out if you want. Tony
Chapek does a great act using a video on a big screened tv, have you
seen? (speaking of movies to life)...
Msg #16963 Dated 11:48:43 09-01-91 16952 <--> 16964
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Maybe there is a difference between a magic lecture and a daily
lecture in a college classroom?
Msg #16964 Dated 11:48:49 09-01-91 16953 <--> 16968
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I palmed it into my plate two years ago and it didn't work. I think
it has to do something with the fickle finger of fate.
Msg #16965 Dated 11:53:13 09-01-91 16959 <--> 16975
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
If you will go back and reread my previous message you will notice that
I prefaced my comments re: reading with both PAST and GENERALLY. There
are exceptions to each and every rule but death.
Msg #16968 Dated 15:00:06 09-01-91 16952 <--> 16985
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Clearly we DO have different definitions of lecture; if I am
understanding you correctly, what you're describing sounds like what I
would call a teaching seminar. To me, a lecture is -- a lecture; I
talk, they (sometimes) listen. They are two very distinct and
different things to me -- and what you're talking about I would price
much higher than a lecture.
Msg #16972 Dated 16:31:17 09-01-91 16921 <--> 17006
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SCRIPT
Gee I thought I wuz the only guy that likes "packs flat" magic!
And self setting stuff, like the Chinese Sticks!
Msg #16973 Dated 16:31:24 09-01-91 16925 <--> 16978
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DEDICATION
This is amazing. Only yesterday I was trying to come up with the
best color, etc. for the "hole" in the Chinatown Dollar (I don't
have the HALF)... and had placed a piece of Flesh Colored Band Aid
tape withing... then noted that NOTHING that I had ever used had
the correct texture, the lines of the skin... BUT I DID NOT THINK
OF THE SURGERY! What I am thinking of, however, is taking a mold
of my skin and making a small piece. Matter of fact... this might
be a new invention.... I would like to have it 'LOOSE' so it
can have a piece UNDERNEATH that matches my close up pad... or the
surface of my TABMAN TABLE TOP.... you show the coin in hand, with
the flesh colored piece... and it drops out when you turn it over
and then you have the second color patch for the table display.
Does anyone know if this has been done before?
Msg #16975 Dated 16:31:54 09-01-91 16932 <--> 16989
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Whoa Tabolino.... it is 1/3 of their AWAKE LIFE....
Msg #16976 Dated 16:31:59 09-01-91 16934 <--> 16982
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Well you COULD build one for smaller jugglers?
Msg #16977 Dated 16:32:04 09-01-91 16939 <--> 16994
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHRIS STARR (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
A clue to my age... I was 11 when Tabby was born. Argh...
Msg #16978 Dated 16:32:08 09-01-91 16940 <--> 17794
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHRIS STARR (X)
Re: DEDICATION
One of the reasons Joe does not advertise the Ken Brooke line so
much is that the manufacturing sources in the UK have either died,
retired, or are not making stuff. I am currently going thru my
collection of stuff to see what Joe did not ever sell, and looking
for maker sources. Joe feels magi keep wanting to see "what's new"
and that is always a tough road to run down....
Msg #16979 Dated 16:32:17 09-01-91 -> 17047
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: ENTER
Ee;16943
This is a test of IMP using E. I got:
To:
Re:
Private:
So?
Msg #16981 Dated 16:32:37 09-01-91 16946 <--> 16995
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
I knew you would have the answers. TAb and I MUST get to GBC when
out there. I haven't been for years...
Msg #16982 Dated 16:32:45 09-01-91 16948 <--> 16993
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
I seem to have heard he does have a full show... which I would LOVE
to see. Regardless of the half-crazed comment I made, late, late,
last night (I stayed up til 3 ayem watching some domb Dinosour
movie... argh)... I really DID NOT MEAN Moschen WAS NOT AN ENTER-
TAINER... I meant that particular "set" DID NOT ENTERTAIN "ME".
Msg #16983 Dated 16:32:53 09-01-91 -> 17048
From: PETE BIRO
To: ER
Re: ER
i JUST sent a message using "E" to ER, SUBJECT ER... lemme know
what happens dude.
Msg #16984 Dated 16:33:02 09-01-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: TO ER IS SIN?
Ee;16950
See heading?
Msg #16985 Dated 16:33:09 09-01-91 16951 <--> 16986
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Do I now understand we are to abrogate any thoughts of being "quoted"
about Kudzu while eating Frog legs?
Msg #16986 Dated 16:33:15 09-01-91 16953 <--> 16988
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
We used "shimmed" dimes and magnetic knives. You do eat peas
with your knife don't you?
Msg #16987 Dated 16:33:21 09-01-91 16956 <--> 16996
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Whooops... I am 12 years past crabb? Argh again...
Msg #16988 Dated 16:33:25 09-01-91 16963 <--> 17026
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yeah, one of them does not have anyone putting the material into
an act the next day!
Msg #16989 Dated 16:33:31 09-01-91 16965 <--> 16992
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Well, now that the last message of this set has come... I can go
see if the Raider game is on LOCAL tv.... (TV ain't all bad).
Msg #16990 Dated 16:33:40 09-01-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: RAIDERS
We can forget today's Raider game, right? argh is understatement.
And Howie Long lives on same street as Mike Lacey in Palos Verdes.
Msg #16991 Dated 16:34:38 09-01-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
I was wrong. It was "Subject" in the IMP! "E" header. Duh. Not what I
sed it was.
Msg #16992 Dated 17:37:55 09-01-91 16975 <--> 16997
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
1/3 of their awake life, assuming that they HAVE an awake life.
Msg #16993 Dated 17:38:00 09-01-91 16976 <--> 17008
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Well, that's true. Or just use smaller balls, huh?
Msg #16994 Dated 17:38:04 09-01-91 16977 <--> 17009
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
That's cool. You were probably just getting into Magic when I hatched
in 45. I got into magic a few years later.
Msg #16995 Dated 17:38:09 09-01-91 16981 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Maybe we can get by on Thursday or Friday sometime. I'd like to see
what they have in the used book department, anyway. They have a
coupla reprints I'd like to pick up too.
Msg #16996 Dated 17:38:15 09-01-91 16987 <--> 17010
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Sounds like you're using some kind of Chinese New Year clock.
Msg #16997 Dated 17:38:19 09-01-91 16989 <--> 17025
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
No Raiders over here today. Redskins on tube tonight. I like to watch
em loose. They got no loyalty to their quarterback. They ain't figurd
out the real work yet (the coaches, etc)!
Msg #16998 Dated 17:47:28 09-01-91 16877 <--> 17011
From: GARY PLANTS
To: PETE PERATA
Re: GAMBLING ROUTINES
Pete, I saw George Joseph work at one of the Desert Seminars
several years ago. I believe he was just demonstrating some dice
switches. Some were good and some were so so. I do have his
three tapes on gambling and his manuscript "Card Mucking" The Art
of Switching Cards in Play. I found the manuscript interesting
if for no other reason than there is practically nothing written
on this topic. I would consider the tapes to be of average quality
compared to some others that I have. In most cases, I think the
really good stuff only travels by word of mouth. Gamblers are not
like magicians when it comes to keeping secrets!!!
Msg #16999 Dated 17:47:40 09-01-91
From: GARY PLANTS
To: ALL
Re: JOHNNY PAUL
Ee;16873
Anyone have any new news on Johnny Pauls condition? I do hope that
he is doing better.
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