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Msg #17500 Dated 12:01:46 09-04-91 17431 <--> 17505
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
I love the car bomb whistler idea. I'm going to try to find some.
What a hoot!
Msg #17501 Dated 12:01:52 09-04-91 17436 <--> 17515
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Great set up for the carbon paper story.
Msg #17502 Dated 12:01:56 09-04-91 17437 <--> 17514
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I love the book. It's full of photos that Howard took with a Brownie
camera to document his show one. Steinmeyer's asides are also enlight
ening. My copy is number 394 of 500 and I've had it about a month.
They must be about gone now.
Msg #17503 Dated 12:02:03 09-04-91 17438 <--> 17555
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANCE'S SHOW
New Ron Allesi catalog in this morning. A few things interesting in
it. A copy of the _Dr. Q's Mysteries_ that I'm going for. The stuff
I want is usually gone due to the slow mail over here in So. Md. so
it helps me save money. Spring the Samurai Nailed on me when I ain't
lookin.
Msg #17504 Dated 12:02:09 09-04-91 17439 <--> 17550
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
That's a good one _mange-er_. Some kind of little bugs. I don't
even want to see another shot of a BP groupie. Gimme the creeps.
Msg #17505 Dated 12:02:14 09-04-91 17441 <--> 17552
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
These days you could get sued just for suggesting that you glue
glitter on the ole eyeballs.
Msg #17506 Dated 12:02:20 09-04-91 17445 <--> 17511
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I know. It does seem impossible. Just taking it a day at a time.
Hope it works.
Msg #17507 Dated 12:02:25 09-04-91 17446 <--> 17510
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Actually I was too cutting and the edge had to be rounded a bit so
I bought me a book on how to be _laid back_. Good advice. Hope to
have more quality time. Does it ever work that way?
Msg #17508 Dated 12:02:30 09-04-91 17448 <--> 17509
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I tried to call ya'll a couple of times on Sunday but line busy each
time. The cook out Monday was LAID BACK. Sorry we didn't connect. I
made some _cowboy beans_. I dumped all kinds of stuff in em and told
the kids not to try them. They had beans, onions, lots of red pepper,
tomatoes, peppers, and a HALF CUP of Jack Daniel's. I was trying to
make them taste horrible as some sort of weird joke and they came
out great. Go figure.
Msg #17509 Dated 12:02:39 09-04-91 17449 <--> 17521
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Appreciate it.
Msg #17510 Dated 12:02:43 09-04-91 17451 <--> 17523
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Where is Helga's place of cookery?
Msg #17511 Dated 12:02:48 09-04-91 17465 <--> 17520
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I'm glad you reminded me about parrots. I've got six or seven of
them I wanna find homes for before we move since we will not have
an aviary there. Wanna boid? They don't talk or cuddle. Just eat
and make jungle screams which is why I likem.
Msg #17512 Dated 12:02:54 09-04-91 17478 <--> 17535
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Stopping in mid sentence is an excellent idea. Wow.
Msg #17513 Dated 12:02:58 09-04-91 -> 17645
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GEODESICS
Ee;17481
Try Timberline Geodesics, 2015 Blake St, Berkeley, CA 94704 (415) 849
4481. Can't find Monterey Domes number yet but will keep looking.
Msg #17514 Dated 12:03:04 09-04-91 17482 <--> 17540
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Heck, in Georgia it was just peas in the BE peas.
Msg #17515 Dated 12:03:08 09-04-91 17484 <--> 17516
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I'm pulling for Phoenix now that Joe Bugle is down there. He did fire
Dexter though. I hated that.
Msg #17516 Dated 12:03:13 09-04-91 17486 <--> 17542
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I like your definition of A - Lecture. Seems to fit.
Msg #17517 Dated 12:19:33 09-04-91 -> 17666
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: BADDEST NEWS
Just got a call from Joe Stevens informing me that Johnny Paul died
over the past weekend. They had done triple bypass surgery, but he did
not respond and several other attempts were made to no avail.
.
One of the great, if not the Original BAR MAGICIANS is gone... he will
be more than missed.
Msg #17518 Dated 12:41:14 09-04-91 17475 <--> 17534
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Max's contributions were excellent, but I don't think it's fair at all
to characterize the rest of the mag as light. There were a few
features which were a little soft, magic-wise, but there is some
excellent magic in Kaufmann;s column -- the best periodical magic gets,
in my opinion, and Weber's reviews are always good reading. The
magazine lacks the somewhat amateur air of "Genii," which can be
alternately delightful and trying.
Msg #17519 Dated 12:53:45 09-04-91 17496 <--> 17548
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: METAL WORK
Thanks Marvin. Appreciate it. How are things on your end. Tell
Audrey HELLO. How about them Dodgers.
Msg #17520 Dated 13:43:28 09-04-91 17445 <--> 17532
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Haven't you heard of UPS next day air? Does UPS stand for U please
ship? Or Un Pleasant Shipment...er WHERE YOU BEEN WELLS? Still
Saddle sore?
Msg #17521 Dated 13:43:35 09-04-91 17448 <--> 17529
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
That's Brunswick Stew (2)
Wells (0)
Tsk....
Msg #17522 Dated 13:43:42 09-04-91 17450 <--> 17853
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Aromaz? We could bottle and sell. Paper? Deliver? Oh, probably the
Fresno Bee.
Msg #17523 Dated 13:43:46 09-04-91 17451 <--> 17558
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Not too much of Tab will want to sign here to a record contract.
Bet she would be great on Nashville Now.
Msg #17524 Dated 13:43:51 09-04-91 17453 <--> 17741
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
What a great experience. Never met Dunninger.... wowzo...
Msg #17525 Dated 13:43:55 09-04-91 17454 <--> 17533
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I think instead of unpacking the next 24 cartons I should send to
Joe...
Msg #17526 Dated 13:44:00 09-04-91 17455 <--> 17563
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Davenport sold (no I can't do it... I was going to say, Three Chairs
with gold trim, a 9x12 table and....naw...).... Heck, you guessed
it. You got to talk Tabby out of the Original Instruction sheet.
I only got the tubes. If you need some old English Pennies to make
your own set up let me know, I have a supply.
.
READ CARNEYCOPIA... has two killers on that effect... a sensible
ROUTINE for the Cylinder and Coins, plus the Cap and Pence (with
a little York included).
Msg #17527 Dated 13:44:12 09-04-91 17456 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: RUSSIAN BBSERS
I hear the highlight (although it could have been a disaster) was
that Marcum fell off the stage into the pit 10-12 feet below.
They don't know how he avoided serious injury! Your pal Rog did
not show.... he was busy writing letters? (Will send you a prive)
Msg #17529 Dated 13:44:26 09-04-91 17458 <--> 17530
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
In Carney's new book... he states that Ramsay had a huge fight
with the writer when he left out things like "Look at the audience"
... Farrelli would say, "That doesn't have anything to do with the
trick" and Ramsay would say, "THAT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE
TRICK!'
Msg #17530 Dated 13:44:33 09-04-91 17459 <--> 17559
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
WE CAN USE THE WATER....
Msg #17532 Dated 13:44:50 09-04-91 17464 <--> 17537
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I don't know of no hoo routine? I had one in Tarbell 7...
Did come up with a couple of very new items.... will letcha know.
Msg #17533 Dated 13:44:55 09-04-91 17467 <--> 17655
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
If the Bovine Patty method doesn't work, you can always use them
as bases for that famous stick and ball game...
Msg #17534 Dated 13:45:00 09-04-91 17475 <--> 17538
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
A good friend, last night said, "Gee, what we don't need is
ANOTHER Genii... and that is all Magic looks like... we need the
fast closing NEWS... like ABRA in the UK, but MAGIC is going to be
2nd class mail.... no good!"
.
Interesting comment. I retorted with, "I think the contributors
will make the magazine a valuable asset... it will be its own
thing once Stan gets sorted out. No one ever figures it out right
away. I remember the first issues of my old car magazine... when
we did them we thought they were great. A year later they looked
like JUNK.... we had really changed and grown....
Msg #17535 Dated 13:45:14 09-04-91 17477 <--> 17536
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Remember Bill, we had to make a last minute change in the lineup
of the shows (I forget the reason) but we felt that he was in the
wrong spot because of the change... he didn't have a closer for the
show... he should have opened! AS WE HAD PLANNED.
Msg #17536 Dated 13:45:21 09-04-91 17478 <--> 17561
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
This morning the phone rang while I was writing a message. It turned
out that I stopped in mid sentence.
.
When I got back to the keyboard, I couldn't remember what I was
going to say in the rest of the sentence, so had to scrap it.
.
It was a long call.
Msg #17537 Dated 13:45:30 09-04-91 17479 <--> 17560
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I think Larry's routine is great. I used to do part of it. I think
it is called Perigrinating Coins (spelling?)
.
When I saw Larry do this... the KILLER was the last coin, out of
the spectator's hand!
.
Have been working on a combined version using some Roth, some
Larry and a bit of mine own recollected stuff.
.
Got to now go look up my trick with the Hoo coin and see if I shud
start doing it again.... hahahahah
Msg #17538 Dated 13:45:45 09-04-91 17480 <--> 17850
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
With IMP I don't know what your message 17480 refers to.
Msg #17539 Dated 13:45:49 09-04-91 17481 <--> 17665
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
It worked for Albo too....
Msg #17540 Dated 13:45:53 09-04-91 17482 <--> 17541
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
But Dimes are smaller than Pennies....
Msg #17541 Dated 13:45:57 09-04-91 17483 <--> 17544
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Goodbye forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #17542 Dated 13:46:01 09-04-91 17484 <--> 17546
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
We need a difinitive spelling of Krayborg. Krabourghue? Kray what?
Msg #17543 Dated 13:46:05 09-04-91 17485 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DC
Couldn't swing a place in the good neighborhood, eh?
Msg #17544 Dated 13:46:10 09-04-91 17487 <--> 17545
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I am like you. I go to see what's happening and get some sort of
message or inspiration. If I see something that I like I then start
to DIG into the subject, checking the books, and other folks to
see what else has been done.
.
The same goes for stuff I purchase. I try to change it as much as
I can... a good example is the latest two items I have been working
on (THREE).
.
Close's Frog Prince
Gaetan's What No Wall
Endless Chain
.
I have come up with a SIMPLER FOR ME handling and deck arraangment
for the Frog (I don't see how the structure of the plot can be
improved -- but might after I start doing it for people -- need to
practice it a few more months.
.
What No Wall -- to me the effect was too hard to see with the tiny
tack. Switching to a giant nail made the deck a completely different
animal... I had to come up with ways to hide the nail (the tack was
easy it was so small) and devise a PLOT to cover the discrepancies.
Which I did and makes me extremely HAPPY that I came up with a
whole new PSYCHOLOGY of doing a trick with a trick deck. Will have
to show you... take a week to write up properly.
.
The Endless Chain. I still have not gotten the PERFORMANCE part of
it thought out... ie: how to bet and how to treat the win/loss
aspect with spectators so no one is ticked off... THAT IS THE HARD
PART... but what I did come up with is (I think... have not heard
anything to say it isn't new) a new finish... where a second loop
appears on the table, A SURPRISE, from a jumbled mess... to cover
the secret add of a second loop of chain...
This needs plot finalization... but is a great start....
Msg #17545 Dated 13:46:45 09-04-91 17488 <--> 17554
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Unless we can do the teach ins ala the Midnite Lectures at IBM.
Whaddya think willym?
Msg #17546 Dated 13:46:50 09-04-91 17491 <--> 17553
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
How do you classify Paul Diamond? He is coming here next month to
"Lecture"... I will go because it is FUN to see Paul... sure he
shows good stuff, but it is a dealer lecture...
.
I guess the informed lecture goer needs to read the reviews...
WHICH WE NEED TO REALLY GET INTO HERE.... and learn who does what
when they Lecture or whatever use wish to call it.
.
I think sticking to the Generic word "Lecture" is OK...
.
Maybe the final point is the one above. REVIEWS of the various folk
tht lecture. AND LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT WE THINK. If
Roth says "It's in the notes" and it isn't... we really need to
tell him to be carefull bout that stuff.
.
Maybe Patrice will read this and suggest it to Stan for his magazine
as a regular column. AFter all they review and rate tricks and
books... why not lectures?
Msg #17547 Dated 13:47:11 09-04-91 17494 <--> 17564
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PAUL FOX HOULETTE
I have a killer small rising card that is a one only made for me
by the legendary English card man (now deceased) FRED ROBINSON.
He knew I liked rising cards and designed and invented this just
for me. It is easy to make and can be rosewood. Lets do it...
I am short one little part, which is in one of the stupid boxes.
Msg #17548 Dated 13:47:19 09-04-91 17495 <--> 17549
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: METAL WORK
I don't know your budget, but why not go to a reputable magic
builder like John Gaughan. He won't make em for others... and he
might really have some understandings from experience that could
make it even better?
.
Otherwise I have gone to race car building shops and had them
fabricate items for me. I will not refer you, because I don't want
to seem a bother to the guys I know, but you could start out
looking in the yellow pages for guys that do restoration of cars
and specialty preparations. OH, just figured out a great guy.
Dean Jeffries. He is near the Castle on the Castle side of the
freeway along I think Highland, between the Castle and Barham,
sor of a street above an parallel to the freeway near Hollywood
Bowl. He does custom car stuff, special bits and peices for movies
and fabricates special effect stuff. He is an old car friend and
you cn use my name with Dean. We call him Jeff...
In the phone book it might be under Custom Cars or Styling... not
sure...
Msg #17549 Dated 13:47:40 09-04-91 17496 <--> 17576
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: METAL WORK
If you are familiar with Piece Wrk, yu have not coined nuttin
new. If now you did. Is that clear?
Msg #17550 Dated 13:47:45 09-04-91 17497 <--> 17556
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TONIGHT
If he did he'd already swallowed. Cheesh it ws big...
Msg #17551 Dated 13:47:50 09-04-91 17498 <--> 17566
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
McCabe's Guitar Shop actually also had a good size stage. Was much
like today's comedy clubs.
.
Ricky did his usual opening stuff. Then he said he wanted to do an
experiment in hypnosis. And asked for anyone that wanted to be
hypnotised to come up on stage. He had Dai Vernon, Me, a girl (who's
name I forget, but her sister used to be on Sat. Nite Live) one
other guy he knew set as stooges. BUT ONE LAYMAN came up too.
We all sat lined up in chairs onstage and the Laymen was (from
Ricky's left with his back to aud) 4th and I was 5th - on end.
He explained that with hypnosis he could make anyone have new skills
and they could do thing they ordinarily could not.
So, he put us all INTO THE TRANCE.... "Get this... the layman
goes OUT LIKE A LIGHT!"
.
So Ricky shows the first guy a difficult card flourish. The guy
(being a magi) DOES IT to his surprise. (Oh he woke us all up)
Then the GIRL.... WHO THE AUD FIGURES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO
ANYTHING... does some amazing spreads, fans, flourishes "under
the hypnotic influence"... Next is Vernon... who plays it great,
says things like "HOW DID YOU HOLD THE CARDS" and is utterly
surprised when he can do a card fan! Acadamy Award performance.
NOW THE LAYMEN...
.
This poor guy cannot even spread the cards... he is embarrassed.
If the others could do it, why not ME you can see he is thnking...
.
So Ricky quickly leaves him and goes to me.
.
I figure (lightnin' fast reflexes) that I got to do something to
take the heat of the real spectator, who finally just made a sort
of half card fan...
.
So I go totally INEPT. Drop cards and do three minutes trying to
pick them up off floor. Ricky, aud, etc. in stitches at my nutcase
antics... (I must have been really hypnotized)....
.
Anyway... the whole thing was a killer....
.
Turns out Ricky had no idea what to do to pretend to be a hypnotist
and just mumbled the usual, "You are getting sleepy, your are under
my control... etc."
.
AND THIS GUY WENT OUT LIK A LIGHT...
.
After the laffs, etc. Ricky Explained to the audience that we were
all his freinds and the whole thing was a put on, except for the
one guy... Ricky Inerviews the guy and he REALLY GOT HYPNOTIZED.
The guys said, "I have been hypnotized many times before, they say
I am the perfect subject!"
.
Man, where were the Goldmine stocks when you need em!"
Msg #17552 Dated 13:48:42 09-04-91 17500 <--> 17557
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
I just realized why the CAR BOMB has to be it. It cannot be the
electronic gadgetry (sorry David) -- it's not the same. A bomb is
a bomb is a bomb... electronic noise is electronic noise is elec...
you get it br.....
Msg #17553 Dated 13:48:48 09-04-91 17501 <--> 17595
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
It was really true!
Msg #17554 Dated 13:48:53 09-04-91 17502 <--> 17568
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I got to call and reserve one. Need a few dozen check to come in...
Phone just rang, possible job... bye....
Msg #17555 Dated 13:48:58 09-04-91 17503 <--> 17569
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LANCE'S SHOW
You have to look or you won't see the trick. Is more than a trick,
it has turned out to be a philosophical, psychologicl twist on a
new theory of magic. If you can believe that from me!
Actually improved it again last night while practicing.
.
Here is a new method to practice. I keep two items on the side of
the sink in my bathroom (I have a wide counter top and large mirror)
and every time I brush teeth, comb hair, shave, etc. I work on the
effects to hand.
Msg #17556 Dated 13:49:11 09-04-91 17504 <--> 17565
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TONIGHT
As long as their groupies have two legs you are relatively safe.
Msg #17557 Dated 13:49:14 09-04-91 17505 <--> 17567
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
For sure, but maybe not on the eyelids....
Msg #17558 Dated 13:49:18 09-04-91 17507 <--> 17571
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
You can have Quality Time if you deem it so... even suffering can
be called (in retrospect) quality time...
Msg #17559 Dated 13:49:23 09-04-91 17508 <--> 17572
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
That's probbly 'cause you poured the half cup of Jack into your
mouth before you started to eat. Any way to get some of the JD
decks of cards?
Msg #17560 Dated 13:49:29 09-04-91 17511 <--> 17573
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I've never heard a Jungle Scream. Carson agian, last night had
a gal on with a TALKING BIRD. It no talk. He gets more out of that
premise than anyone.
.
Maybe you could do a tape with your birds all playing guitars or
singing and send to Jim McCauley (his producer) and get booked on
the show... then when the birds just sit and Sh*t... carson would
love it.... it's all attitude anyhoooo.... oooop fax machine callin
bye again...
Msg #17561 Dated 13:49:40 09-04-91 17512 <--> 17574
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
You really think stopping in
Msg #17562 Dated 13:52:43 09-04-91 -> 17575
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Dixie Gun Works
Gunpowder Lane
Union City, TN 38261
(901)885-0700
fax(901)885-0440
Msg #17563 Dated 14:52:40 09-04-91 17526 <--> 17856
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Just faxxed em the Cap and Pence Orig instructions. Wells is an
expert coin maker.
Msg #17564 Dated 14:52:45 09-04-91 17547 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PAUL FOX HOULETTE
Put all this stuff we are going to go over in a BOX someplace so
we won't forget to take care of it. Also, if you want me to find
Coathanger for the photo, then I'll try to track him down.
Msg #17565 Dated 14:52:51 09-04-91 17550 <--> 17570
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
What th'?
Msg #17566 Dated 14:52:55 09-04-91 17551 <--> 17587
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
Thanks Pete. That's a great story. You must of really cracked em
up. I can't believe the guy went under. Talk about a willing subject.
Msg #17567 Dated 14:53:00 09-04-91 17552 <--> 17578
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
The last ones I got were red (what else) and had SMOKE, WHISTLE, BANG
printed in black ink on the side. The best smoke, a great looooong
whistle, and pause and then B A N G ! Plus that great gunpowder
smell. Nuthin like it.
Msg #17568 Dated 14:53:06 09-04-91 17554 <--> 17599
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
OK. If you can't get one, you can have mine if you want it. OK, bye.
Msg #17569 Dated 14:53:10 09-04-91 17555 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANCE'S SHOW
I was trying to improve the poker demo yesterday but dunno if it
can be improved.
Msg #17570 Dated 14:53:15 09-04-91 17556 <--> 17607
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
It's what's crawling on those legs that worries me.
Msg #17571 Dated 14:53:19 09-04-91 17558 <--> 17841
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Much great art has been born of suffering. Lend me an ear, will you?
Msg #17572 Dated 14:53:22 09-04-91 17559 <--> 17654
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I guess a call to JD is in order. Lemme put it on my list. Got calls
into ASCAP and BMI to find out how to do this show music stuff.
Msg #17573 Dated 14:53:28 09-04-91 17560 <--> 17653
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Do you remember BOMBA, Boy of the Jungle?
Msg #17574 Dated 14:53:32 09-04-91 17561 <--> 17662
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
You got me there for a moment. Then I
Msg #17575 Dated 14:53:35 09-04-91 17562 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: DOVE THRU GLASS
Thanks Burt. Will givem a call tomorrow.
Msg #17576 Dated 16:26:03 09-04-91 17548 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: METAL WORK
Thanks, Pete. Yes the budget is tight right now. So am getting pieces
made outside of guys like John or David Mendosa, etc. Would love to go
to them, but can not at this time. Thanks for the tip on car guy, will
check him out. Talk with you later. Thanks.. MIKE.
Msg #17577 Dated 17:52:18 09-04-91 -> 17667
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: ONE LINERS
I'm looking at a book called "Henny Youngman's 10,000 One-Liners".
Do you think there's a market for a book "Biro's 10,000 One-Liners"?
I'll bet if we pulled up all the old MAGIC files, we'd have at least
5000. Half-way home.
The problem now is that Pete probably won't give us permission, and will
want to write the book himself.
Msg #17578 Dated 17:56:27 09-04-91 17414 <--> 17579
From: DOUG SMITH
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Sure lecture notes will be available..now I need to reread all the
messages and decide what a lecture really is and what the notes should
include....seriously the problem is teachers expect free handouts, so
my hope is to have references and some of the simple ideas
outlined.....say do you think we should go the video route and charge
them for the right to tape, but then we could copy protect....
I do someday hope to organize all my ideas and then incorporaS8te
material then I had published before in short articles...however, when
done I will provide material to the network subscrberss...
Msg #17579 Dated 18:02:06 09-04-91 17417 <--> 17582
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
you would be the type of student i really enjoy having in class..mostg
of the kids are brighter than I but experience and treachery keeps me
ahead... by the way, where would kids learn about making nitrogen
tri-iodide..I am comfortable with it but I never tell the kids how it
is made, the courts would probably find the teacher could be sued if
something happened..
Msg #17581 Dated 18:35:46 09-04-91 -> 17583
From: RICK RUHL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VISIT
Hi buddy:
I got hung up with the big shots at the post office, so I didn;t get
a chance to give ya a call and come by. Got in late that Saturday
night and didn't stop until Tuesday noon. I'll be up again soon, and
I WILL MAKE TIME next time.
Will you be in Vegas for Comdex? If so, I'll be there (more thna
likely).
If you ever want to, give me a call at the office (800-766-5465 X 264)
talk to you soon.
Rikker
Msg #17582 Dated 19:11:30 09-04-91 17578 <--> 17586
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Actually, I really liked chemistry and science when in school in
the 50s and 60s. My cousin and I used to make bombs, morters and
rockets. One of my favorite things about doing rock shows is the
pyro. I make hand cannons that use flash paper and powder for
the singers to use. Guitar cannons to go on headstocks of guitars,
etc. Two years ago on my Goblins of Rock (I know, I know) shows we
used so much pyro that we headlined the show with it. I was hoping
that if you don't do a book that you'll have some lecture notes
available for me to buy or beg off you.
Msg #17583 Dated 19:11:40 09-04-91 17581 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: VISIT
Good to hear from you. Glad we didn't miss connecting through a
screwed up ans machine or something like that. I noted the number
and will give you a holler one day when I catch a minute. We're on
the way to Tennessee (shooting for Thanksgiving Dinner in Lebanon,TN)
so maybe we'll be able to get together down hat way. My oldest son
is in Atlanta at GA State and Brent (other younger) is at UGA. Hotlan
a is less than 4 hours from Lebanon.
Msg #17584 Dated 19:58:54 09-04-91 17339 <--> 17649
From: BRUCE KALVER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HIMBER RING LECTURE
With pleasure. One is on its way. Hope to meet you in Ca. I will type
up the list of dates and places and upload it to you next week. Take
care!
Bruce
Msg #17586 Dated 21:11:50 09-04-91 17170 <--> 17588
From: GARY PLANTS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Thanks for the tip on the manuscript by De Vega. I was aware of it
but have never run across it. I tried this once or twice and then
decided I valued my hands too much to do it anymore. How is the
Magic Castle Library coming?
Msg #17587 Dated 21:12:01 09-04-91 17199 <--> 17592
From: GARY PLANTS
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
I see that you have already received several replies on this
request. Ricky Jay has not published his routine to my knowledge.
Derek Dingles routine is good in his book and Harry Riser has had
several ideas on this routine in his column in MUM magazine. He
has published complete routines along with various vanishes (many
of which are very, very good). Hope this helps.
Msg #17588 Dated 21:12:13 09-04-91 17200 <--> 17589
From: GARY PLANTS
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
I have a lot more chemistry magic that I use in my classes. I am
glad I can be of some help. Keep in touch.
Msg #17589 Dated 21:12:23 09-04-91 17307 <--> 17591
From: GARY PLANTS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
If he makes a few I want to know about it!!!!!!!!
Msg #17591 Dated 21:40:10 09-04-91 17589 <--> 17605
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
You mean the Exploding suitcase? Sounded like (FARO) layout and
Case(keeper) haha..
Msg #17592 Dated 21:40:48 09-04-91 17587 <--> 17611
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
The main thing that makes the routine 'YOURS' is the way you do the
individual vanishes. Skinner was the first I saw with unique
combinations. Also his secert add of the gaffed cards was great!
Msg #17595 Dated 23:12:16 09-04-91 17385 <--> 17596
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
David -- interaction means just that; interaction. A book cannot
interact with you because it cannot change in response to your
individual personality. I don't wanna pick on you but you seem to be
using terms like "lecture" and "interaction" very differently than
their standard definitions. The medium you use to teach is absolutely
crucial to the question of what is going on; if you do not interact you
are not teaching -- since if you don't know how they are reacting, you
can't know if they are learning.
Msg #17596 Dated 23:15:16 09-04-91 17386 <--> 17597
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I find nothing in the dictionary definition that says or implies that
learning occurs. It usually says something about "speaking for
purposes of instruction"...and I trust you will agree that instruction
-- which is to describe a series of steps to bring about a desired
result -- is not teaching, since again there is no interaction; the
steps are the same regardless of their auditors.
Msg #17597 Dated 23:16:27 09-04-91 17430 <--> 17598
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Arrgh! (tm - Biro) - I just told you TWICE - you weren't supposed to
tip the real work - you weren't supposed to let everyone know about the
two guys being on the wings to put the cards on the outsides of the
windows. You is in heap big trouble!
Msg #17598 Dated 23:17:34 09-04-91 17419 <--> 17600
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
There are also phrases like "military intelligence"...besides, I can
teach myself because I can offer myself feedback; the simplest example
would be that I can look in a mirror and see whether or not I am doing
a move right. Very few people who are expert in any field are entirely
self-taught; exceptions can be cited but that does not change the
general rule.
Msg #17599 Dated 23:22:11 09-04-91 17380 <--> 17601
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Actually, there are a lot worse things you can do to people than any of
the above -- ah, the wonders of science, and psychopharmacology...
Msg #17600 Dated 23:19:12 09-04-91 17436 <--> 17603
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
It isn't that hard to defeat macrovision - I would not class it as copy
protection, but rather as annoyance to serious viewers (it does cause
tearing of the image, etc. on better monitors - the better the
equipment, the worse the destruction the "copy protection" wrecks. And
it only annoys legit customers - it is so easy to knock out, if one is
a pirate (or for any other reason) - that it is rediculous. Only the
paranoid little studio minds could have have accepted a process that
delivers an inferior product to the purchasing public while denying
nothing to the infringers.
Msg #17601 Dated 23:23:09 09-04-91 17381 <--> 17602
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Like any crime; but the point was, conspiracy IS a crime.
Msg #17602 Dated 23:25:18 09-04-91 17427 <--> 17613
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I don't always leave it at that...but prudence dictates discretion.
Msg #17603 Dated 23:25:56 09-04-91 17493 <--> 17606
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Why do you feel it would be so hard to do in magic lectures what
everyone else does in other areas? How about: In this lecture Joe
Doakes will explain ten of his greatest effects, including the famed
"Card on Toilet Tank" effect. 2-hours, prepared notes available.
Or: In this lecture Frank Sunk will once again bore the audience with
his philisophical treatise on why people find magic lectures boring.
9-hours, no notes available.
Msg #17604 Dated 23:28:45 09-04-91 17379 <--> 17688
From: T A WATERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FLESH
I didn't want you to think I was claiming the idea, Max; but as the
subject came up thought I would mention it. I have heard Vernon's name
in connection with it, and at least a few others, including Sam
Schwartz.
Msg #17605 Dated 23:33:07 09-04-91 17586 <--> 17624
From: T A WATERS
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
They're still constructing stuff; have to move a wall and build a
stairway. I am continuing to work on bringing the inventory up to
date, which is fairly painstaking effort -- it isn't the kind of thing
you want to get 'sort of' right.
Msg #17606 Dated 23:30:37 09-04-91 17595 <--> 17608
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
A bood is a dialog between two people, one of whom is not corporeally
present, and which may be seperated by both time and space. A
telephone conversation is a dialog between two people seperated by
space but not by time.
The media I generally use - such as computer programs - do permit
interaction between me, the author, and the student. I can predict a
set of probably reactions and can design in responses. It is
controlled, not freewheeling, but it is interactive.
In actuality, I can monitor their performance far better than a
classroom teacher or a lecturer. The only medium to which I will grant
better interaction between the teacher and the learner is one-on-one.
Msg #17607 Dated 23:36:12 09-04-91 17390 <--> 17609
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TONIGHT
He didn't have to worry about that -- they were only in the show for
about six weeks before being translated to a higher sphere of
existence.
Msg #17608 Dated 23:36:34 09-04-91 17596 <--> 17617
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Ah, T A, you can certainly spin a tangled web when you wish to!
Frankly, I do not wish to debate the nuances of language in this case,
at least not via messages. Perhaps we can arrange to do it over lunch
sometime?
Msg #17609 Dated 23:37:25 09-04-91 17412 <--> 17610
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Reminds me of Vernon's story about Welsh Miller -- distasteful enough
that even I hesitate to tell it here.
Msg #17610 Dated 23:40:18 09-04-91 17607 <--> 17618
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Yeah, but isn't six weeks of flea life equivalent to sixty years of
human life? Are you saying that he denied the poor ladies their
conjugal rites?
Msg #17611 Dated 23:41:38 09-04-91 17551 <--> 17626
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
The girl was Tracy Newman -- an actress/singer/songwriter; she did a
terrific riffle spread.
Msg #17612 Dated 23:42:59 09-04-91 17424 <--> 17691
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DEDICATION
You'll just have to make the breast of it.
Msg #17613 Dated 23:45:59 09-04-91 17427 <--> 17614
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yeah, but most of the folks T A does it to don't mind.
Msg #17614 Dated 23:47:01 09-04-91 17429 <--> 17615
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yes, and the SPA is doing all of this in full view of the public, the
courts, etc. Weird.
Msg #17615 Dated 23:50:25 09-04-91 17440 <--> 17616
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Oh, gads, yes -- the Stillwell Ball - does that bring back memories!
Dancing in the moonlight... BUT could Joe S. afford to do it? I
undetstood that the tab for the last one was something like $100,000
and that was a LONG time ago - when money was money! Speaking of
which, do you recall the year the last one was held?
Msg #17616 Dated 23:52:55 09-04-91 17483 <--> 17619
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
OK, consider them (cute bumper stickers and Biro's one liners) on the
list.
Msg #17617 Dated 23:52:19 09-04-91 17606 <--> 17625
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Computer programs can be interactive to surprising degrees, to be sure,
but we haven't been talking about them. A book is IN NO SENSE WHATEVER
a dialogue -- it is (if you are going to characterize it that way at
all) a monologue from writer to reader. This is getting so strange
that I am not entirely sure now that you aren't just putting me on.
Msg #17618 Dated 23:54:23 09-04-91 17610 <--> 17620
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TONIGHT
No gentleman fleas around; if they wouldn't perform, he sure as hell
wasn't going to pay their air fare from Europe (which is where he got
them from -- don't ask.).
Msg #17619 Dated 23:54:26 09-04-91 17488 <--> 17621
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Count me in on a vote for the teach-ins! I've always liked the "feel"
of the DM's - close-up, personal, with a lot going on. Don't want to
see 'em become just another string of performances and shows.
Msg #17620 Dated 23:55:47 09-04-91 17422 <--> 17671
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Predicting device? You're sending me a Massey Slate, correcto?
Msg #17621 Dated 23:56:49 09-04-91 17492 <--> 17622
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
See my previous comment - performances and shows are readily available.
What is unique about the DM is the feeling of friendliness and sharing
that it seems to generate. And thanks for the MAGIC! session! DM is
the original home of MAGIC! and I know that last year we drew some
people to DM because of the MAGIC! session.
Msg #17622 Dated 0:01:44 09-05-91 17599 <--> 17623
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Science and psychopharmacology are too sophisticated for me. I prefer
the tried and true traditional methods.
Msg #17623 Dated 0:03:17 09-05-91 17601 <--> 17639
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
OK, conspiracy is a crime - but so are several thousand other things,
some of which are merely some convoluted social taboos.
Msg #17624 Dated 0:05:58 09-05-91 17431 <--> 17628
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Uh, Pete - today's ghetto blasters come with CD players and the sounds
you want are available on disc.
Msg #17625 Dated 0:16:18 09-05-91 17600 <--> 17638
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
It degrades the image on good monitors even when the ORIGINAL is being
played?
Msg #17626 Dated 0:20:06 09-05-91 17551 <--> 17627
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
McCabe's still exists -- I saw an acoustic set by a rock band there
a few years ago, but the stage was pretty small -- so maybe it's a
different space than what you're talking about. On Pico?
Msg #17627 Dated 0:21:36 09-05-91 17592 <--> 17690
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
Did Skinner ever publish his add-on (of gaffed cards)?
Msg #17628 Dated 0:08:34 09-05-91 17442 <--> 17629
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Gads, Biro! You didn't invent carbon paper! You were recreating WOAD!
One of the earliest pieces of chemical magic - MERLIN used WOAD. It is
even possible that you had recreated HALOWZOZ (reasonably close
phonetic spelling) - the blue dye derived from a now unidentified
mollusk - very magic, very sacred - preceeds woad by a few thousand
years and is the secret stuff called for in Numbers 15:38. (The
clincher on this piece of real work is the numeric behind the original
word that you will find translated as "fringe" in the beginning of
Numbers 15:39).
Msg #17629 Dated 0:25:51 09-05-91 17557 <--> 17630
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
The glitter for eyelids is sold under the name "eyeshadow." The
brighter versions can be used in the manner you described - to add
brightness and sparkle to your eyes. The more muted shades can be used
as daub.
Msg #17630 Dated 0:28:56 09-05-91 17579 <--> 17696
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
In actual fact, the science teacher, a Mr. Miller, under who's
tutelage, or perhaps in all fairness I should say behind who's back,
these experiments were performed retired at the end of that year.
Several months ago there was someone on here who reported that nitrogen
tri-iodide can actually be quite dangerous. We, the more unusual
members of the Science Club (and I'm sure you can appreciate the full
meaning of that phrase!), found the formula in an old book.
Frankly, I was not the type of student that anyone enjoyed having in
class! Well, that is not completely true - the fellow who taught me
about the three skills of a gentleman - riding a horse, shooting, and
playing chess - an incredible human being by the name of Rogers Harlan,
did seem to find me amusing to have around.
Msg #17633 Dated 0:40:25 09-05-91 16630 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OCTOBER TRIP
The green ear rings he wore to the DMS last year.
Msg #17635 Dated 0:40:31 09-05-91 16647 <--> 17702
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEMO 6
Too bad. I love doing things with borrowed coins and no one has halfs
anymore. I find that when you use your own coins, people think they
are gaffed in some way, when in fact you are just doing straight
sleights.
Msg #17636 Dated 0:40:36 09-05-91 16777 <--> 17640
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Probably the reason you didn't get more of a reaction is that we all
know you and aren't surprised by your normal dementia.
Msg #17637 Dated 0:40:42 09-05-91 16743 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: HOWDY
Thanks for the wire ad, it's the same stuff I'm using. Dynalloy
sells the wire to them and they make it into a little kit.
.
Glad to see you are back on-line. Wil e checking your book list soo
n. I've got a ton of reading to catch up on as well, before I buy any
more magic books.
Msg #17638 Dated 0:40:48 09-05-91 17189 <--> 17647
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I can certainly concur on the problem of the notes not matching the
lecture. The lecture that started this whole question (the Roth
lecture) is a prime example. The notes for the ball routine are not
the same as what he did. I bought the notes SPECIFICALLY to learn
that routine, and feel a bit ripped off by having the notes to an
earlier version of what I saw presented.
.
I have been trying to recontruct it from memory and am not being too
sucessful. A video of the event would have been a real benefit. I
would have bought both.
Msg #17639 Dated 0:41:02 09-05-91 16968 <--> 17641
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
As a lecturer you are being paid to PRESENT information you have. You
are not under any obligation to assure that anyone learns anything,
that IS THEIR CHOICE and theirs alone. If you stimulate them enough
to put forth the effort to truly learn what you may have to offer, yo
u have done your job well. Anyone that thinks they are going to
master in a 2 hour lecture what it has taken a lifetime for the
presentor to learn is bound to be sadly disppointed. They have no one
but themselves to blame, certainly not the lecturer (teacher ?).
.
I refer back to Roth lecture, regarding his ability to palm 4 coins,
then relese them one by one. People had him do it over and over, as i
f by merely watching him do it, that somehow they would be able to do
it as well. They had no idea how much time he obviously put into
acquiring that ability. Perhaps its a result of the TV age, if we
watch enough that will somehow allow us to do as well ?
Msg #17640 Dated 0:41:20 09-05-91 17024 <--> 17644
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
1 divided by 0 is undefined. By 1i I assume you are referring to an
imaginary number. An irrational number is defined as a number that
cannot be expressed as a quotient of integers, e.g. the square root
of 2, or Pi, etc. The limit of 1 divided by x, as x approaches 0 is
infinity.
Msg #17641 Dated 0:41:29 09-05-91 17273 <--> 17675
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Stealing material is what baseball bats and knees are all about.
Call Guido and tell I sent you.
Msg #17642 Dated 0:41:36 09-05-91 17248 <--> 17704
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SANTA
Procomm was waiting for a colon from the system. I have encountered t
his before and a total reset IS the only solution. Can't figure out
how the file is getting out of sync ????
Msg #17643 Dated 0:41:40 09-05-91 17192 <--> 17676
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE PERFORMERS
I wasn't selling the energy dampeners - it was a device to neutralize
electro-magnetic radiation and was basically a rip-off sold at New
Age Psychic fairs.
Msg #17644 Dated 0:41:44 09-05-91 17272 <--> 17673
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Picture a bunch of crystal stemware of various sizes with liquid
(alcohol works really well) in them, and a person rubbing the rim
with dampened fingers - you've probably done it with a wine glass.
That's a glass harmonica.
Msg #17645 Dated 0:41:50 09-05-91 17513 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GEODESICS
Thanks, maybe I'll give monterey 411 a call tomorrow and see if they
have any info. Will UPS the dome video out tomorrow.
Msg #17647 Dated 0:42:05 09-05-91 17595 <--> 17668
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Are you implying that learning can only come from a teacher ?
Msg #17648 Dated 0:40:23 09-05-91 17433 <--> 17706
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ELEVATORS/QUOTATION MARKS
At least folks knew you wuz in the tunnel! The ice cream freezer bit
was REAL. I was supposed to pick up some cases of ice cream for a
picnic and the deal was that the manager would meet me on Sunday
morning at the plant, which was closed. We BOTH went into the freezer
to pick up the cases and the door FROZE shut behind us. Yeah, it WAS
one of the scarier moments of my life. I remember feeling my eyeglass
frames and socks freeze first. The alarm, which would have simply rang
a bell outside of the freezer, but inside of the plant was useless.
Finally, we were able to body slam the door open.
Moral of the story is - don't do dumb stuff like that!
Msg #17649 Dated 0:45:10 09-05-91 17443 <--> 17650
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIMBER RING LECTURE
I haven't messed with Himber Rings much, so I feel that the book and
lecture will be interesting. There are a couple of effects with 'em
that have always caught my attention, so I am among the curious.
Msg #17653 Dated 0:56:14 09-05-91 17465 <--> 17840
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I've heard those same reports from Bolivia - the ones about the Passe
Passe that Coathanger did. But I think we'll have to wait for the full
report.
Msg #17654 Dated 1:02:51 09-05-91 17572 <--> 17842
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
If they're the ones I'm thinkin' of, I'd like to get on that list for
the JD decks too.
Msg #17655 Dated 1:04:48 09-05-91 17466 <--> 17656
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Before we launch the new features I want to be reasonably certain that
they work - don't know why, since that ain't the way it's done in the
software business. They were in Alpha test - should go Beta soon and
I usually like a couple weeks of checkout in Beta before they are
introduced to MAGIC! Work is proceeding apace on the new features and
I think that they will really make some improvements around here.
Also today picked up the 16550 chip sets that should help communications
on the high speed modems. But need time to install 'em.
Msg #17656 Dated 1:08:45 09-05-91 17467 <--> 17855
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
OK, will let you know when I find the letters and the business plan for
the fly raising. No, not the classic bovine patty method.
Msg #17657 Dated 1:14:55 09-05-91 17469 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TOO QUIET
Thanks for the kind words. Yep, the MAGIC! messages I've gone back and
re-read still shine.
Msg #17658 Dated 1:16:23 09-05-91 17470 <--> 17659
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Now that you mention it, yes, there are a couple of cocoons in the area
of the garage that seem abnormally large. Unfortunately, crime in the
area continues to increase.
Msg #17659 Dated 1:17:37 09-05-91 17471 <--> 17876
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
While I admit to a certain fondness for cleavage bits, I don't do 'em
in my act. But I do have a finger chopper - guess you could call that
a bit of cleavage.
Msg #17660 Dated 1:19:25 09-05-91 17468 <--> 17878
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Don't need any licenses or releases from BMI, ASCAP, etc. The songs
are all MINE. If I sung anyone else's stuff - license or no - they
would probably sue me for murdering music.
Msg #17662 Dated 1:25:20 09-05-91 17473 <--> 17663
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I agree - there have been magi who have assaulted ALL of the senses -
particularly smell and taste!
Msg #17663 Dated 1:26:44 09-05-91 17512 <--> 17846
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
What a great idea! I've never tried stopping in mid-sentance when
writing! Always do it when reading just before going to sleep though.
Msg #17665 Dated 1:32:23 09-05-91 17481 <--> 17882
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Your "magic in my garage" tape idea is PERFECT for the Biro! Really,
truly, I think it would be one of the best tapes ever done!
Msg #17666 Dated 1:36:27 09-05-91 17517 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BADDEST NEWS
Saddened to hear about Johnny Paul. But thank you for passing the info
on.
Msg #17667 Dated 1:38:07 09-05-91 17577 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ONE LINERS
If we let Pete write it, it will take YEARS. Perhaps centuries. I
think we should go ahead and do it for him. If it sells, and if we're
in a generous mood, we could always cut him in for a piece of the
action later.
Msg #17668 Dated 1:43:44 09-05-91 17617 <--> 17669
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I agreee - I've had some trouble interpreting some of your posts too.
Shall we give this particular strain of the thread a breather?
Msg #17669 Dated 1:44:30 09-05-91 17625 <--> 17670
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
it MOST CERTAINLY DOES degrade the image on good monitors _especially_
when the original is being played. The upper edge of the image will
start to tear. I've seen several examples of this - one film I have is
so bad that there is no way to get rid of the top 15% of the image
tearing.
Msg #17670 Dated 1:47:04 09-05-91 17638 <--> 17679
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Thanks for your message, Jerry. Yes, the comments on the Roth lecture
and mis-matched notes where what started this particular incarnation of
the video-notes thread.
It is my belief that if the video-notes are reasonably priced, that
most attendees, if they liked the lecture and valued the info, would
certainly buy both.
Msg #17671 Dated 1:49:11 09-05-91 17618 <--> 17681
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TONIGHT
There is an incredible story here - has any of the flea background info
ever been told in public before? I take it that it was impractical to
import a few gentlemen fleas and produce his own performers
domestically? Or would that have limited the cache of the stars?
Msg #17673 Dated 1:54:31 09-05-91 17644 <--> 17705
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Thanks for the glass harmonica info, Jerry.
Msg #17675 Dated 1:56:00 09-05-91 17641 <--> 17677
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yep! Dear old Guido! I have a bat I keep handy for the guy who took
off with several thousand dollars once. A perfect candidate, but I've
got to find him again.
Msg #17676 Dated 1:57:28 09-05-91 17643 <--> 17809
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE PERFORMERS
I know that you weren't selling the energy dampeners. Just wanted to
know when you were back and I figured that you would have to reply to
that message.
Msg #17677 Dated 4:20:01 09-05-91 17241 <--> 17692
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Don't leave messages to me screaming for anything! You should listen
when I debrief you instead of AGREEING with me that doing the
informal bull session close up is more important than doing the teach
in. We cannot do both in '92 as I already explained to you and you
already agreed. Teach-in will be back in '93 when we have the proper
set up for it. Besides teach-in hasn't been properly defined and
no video is allowed. Don't mess with me or the MAGIC! session will
be his-toe-ry.
Msg #17679 Dated 4:22:15 09-05-91 17332 <--> 17680
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Talk about passing bucks!!
The lecturers don't want to be held to any standard!
The attendees want to have a word for word copy of everything on
tape, to be clone taught, and to have extremely detailed "notes",
and how dare anyone challenge them to think!
...and now...you guys want to hang all the responsibility on the
booker to solve everyone's problems???
Just exactly what is it you want the booker to provide in the way of
information?
Msg #17680 Dated 4:51:36 09-05-91 17606 <--> 17682
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
A book is a dialog between two people? Please explain.
Msg #17681 Dated 4:51:41 09-05-91 17609 <--> 17695
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TONIGHT
We should change this thread to NOT TONIGHT.
Msg #17682 Dated 7:26:11 09-05-91 17679 <--> 17683
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I believe it was Max who suggested hanging everything on the booker.
Me? I just went with the flow. Keep reading and I think you'll find
some explaination of the type of information. Or, look at any
non-magic convention program that might come your way.
Msg #17683 Dated 7:28:08 09-05-91 17680 <--> 17684
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I is too tired to explain. Haven't gotten much sleep for the past
couple of nights and have to go off this morning to entertain some
pre-schoolers on a tour of a bagel bakery.
Msg #17684 Dated 7:48:03 09-05-91 17595 <--> 17685
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I seem to be learning something here....
Msg #17685 Dated 7:48:09 09-05-91 17597 <--> 17686
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
NO trubble dude... I didn't tell what the second guy is doing.
Msg #17686 Dated 7:48:14 09-05-91 17598 <--> 17687
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I can look in a mirror and SOMETIMES tell if I am doing it right,
because I can't misdirect myself in the mirror... but it is an aid.
I have seen clothes fit beautifully in a triple mirror when buying
but when I get home they don't seem to be the same.
Msg #17687 Dated 7:48:22 09-05-91 17603 <--> 17689
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Well, lets you and me do that... when we book lectures... hey its
a start.... I bet me and Wells will sorta kinda tryit for IBM....
maybe... if the lecturers know what thay is goonaa dooo
Msg #17688 Dated 7:48:29 09-05-91 17604 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: FLESH
I am sure both Vernon and Schwartz have studied flesh.
Msg #17689 Dated 7:48:34 09-05-91 17608 <--> 17693
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Remember it isn't polite to talk with food in your mouth.
Msg #17690 Dated 7:48:39 09-05-91 17611 <--> 17697
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
Ah yes... Tracy... nice lady. She was very impressive with her card
manip's on that wonderful display of Ricky's hypnotic power....
Msg #17691 Dated 7:48:45 09-05-91 17612 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DEDICATION
You said a MOUTHFUL!
Msg #17692 Dated 7:48:49 09-05-91 17616 <--> 17694
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
What list? The feces roster? Wha?
x
(no longer a one liner)
Msg #17693 Dated 7:48:55 09-05-91 17617 <--> 17712
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Have you read Carney's thoughts on learning magic via tape vs. book?
Msg #17694 Dated 7:49:00 09-05-91 17619 <--> 17703
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
If they don't make the schedule I will personally conduct a teach
in session on any MAGIC subject you wish... just give me advance
notice! And you cn bring a couple of friends or foes.
Msg #17695 Dated 7:49:07 09-05-91 17620 <--> 17736
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TONIGHT
YOu shoudda gotit by now... Massah!
Msg #17696 Dated 7:49:12 09-05-91 17624 <--> 17699
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
But not the feel and smell of a real bomb going off!!! Boom...!!!!
Msg #17697 Dated 7:49:16 09-05-91 17626 <--> 17698
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
It was small before too... sure it hasn't grown...
Msg #17698 Dated 7:49:20 09-05-91 17627 <--> 17745
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
I doubt it. It was in his personal repertoire. But if you want to
do it there isn't anything hard about that as a card problem...
think on it a bit...
Msg #17699 Dated 7:49:26 09-05-91 17628 <--> 17715
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Will you make two copies of that message for me? #17628.
Msg #17702 Dated 7:49:40 09-05-91 17635 <--> 17804
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEMO 6
I know... but I can't handle small coins like I can Silver Dollars.
Wuz my training in the formative years from Slydini I guess...
Msg #17703 Dated 7:49:46 09-05-91 17639 <--> 17735
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Good point... the palming of four coins... I know... you think you
can run the 100 meters fast after you watch a fast fella do it...
Msg #17704 Dated 7:49:51 09-05-91 17642 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SANTA
I figured it out. I just don't send that kinda messages no mo....
Msg #17705 Dated 7:49:55 09-05-91 17644 <--> 17731
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
The best part is when you are finished playing and have to empty
the glasses....
Msg #17706 Dated 7:50:00 09-05-91 17648 <--> 17717
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ELEVATORS/QUOTATION MARKS
Whew... a frozen Frog.... there's an argh....
Msg #17707 Dated 7:50:04 09-05-91 17649 <--> 17708
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HIMBER RING LECTURE
Me too. I like the Himber ring stufffffffff get hooked on it?
Msg #17709 Dated 7:50:20 09-05-91 -> 17718
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HIMBER RING LECTURE
Like wise me (Bruce Kalver) that is...
Msg #17712 Dated 8:00:30 09-05-91 17685 <--> 17713
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
True! You didn't tell what the second guy on the wing of the plane is
doing - OK - you can hang on as tail gunner.
Msg #17713 Dated 8:09:43 09-05-91 17687 <--> 17728
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
OK, here is a real example of a program listing for a lecture, taken
from the Consumer Electronics Show schedule:
Interviewing Job Applicants - The Right Way
Instructor: Sandra MacMillian-Cloud, Director of Education, National
Association of Retail Dealers of America
(Photo of Ms. MacMillian-Cloud)
Would you like to decrease turnover and give professional and friendly
customer service? Hiring the right individual for the job can increase
morale, productivity, teamwork and profits! In this exciting workshop,
you will learn how to determine what your personnel needs really are;
when you can and cannot promote from within the company; to use legal
methods for spotting problem employee's before you hire them; what key
questions to ask in the interview; and how to use a drug and alcohol
abuse policy as part of the interview.
Msg #17714 Dated 8:18:33 09-05-91 -> 17753
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSIC LICENSING
OK, got paperwork coming in from ASCAP and BMI and will forward to youw
with recommendations when I get it.
Msg #17715 Dated 8:22:07 09-05-91 17696 <--> 17716
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
You only told me you wanted the sound of the bomb going off - you
didn't say anything about feel and smell in the original specification.
If you now want feel and smell, you gotta pay extra and it's going to
take more time.
Msg #17716 Dated 8:25:00 09-05-91 17699 <--> 17730
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Make two copies of what message for you? And on what media? Computer
files? Faxes? What? You referenced #17628, but it is a bit hard for
me to believe that you want two copies of my message about how, while
trying to make carbon paper, you might have either replicated woad or
some very magical and sacred stuff. Lemme know what you want, what
medium you want it on, where you want it sent, etc. Argh! (tm - Biro),
somedays, Biro, you frizzles my mind.
Msg #17717 Dated 8:31:37 09-05-91 17706 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ELEVATORS/QUOTATION MARKS
Yeah - a frozen Frog. It was definitely a spine chilling experience.
One I would not want to repeat.
Msg #17725 Dated 15:35:18 09-05-91 -> 17758
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NIGHT COURT
Guess you are visiting your pal, Leno, and his auto collection
today. You are probably having a ton of fun. When is he gonna get
you on the Tonight Show? Those two Steens side table stands came
in today. They aren't bad. Beautiful actually, though I really
like the simpleness of the Conradi stands. I haven't unearthed
any P&L stands yet, though I keep looking. I missed two nice 1930
P&L stands about two months ago. Just let em slip by and the
price was right too.
.
Got a call from Johnny Ace today regarding the questionairre I
sent out to the LECTURERS for MCCMS and he really liked the ideas
set forth about the preparation thing, sleights, etc, which I
picked up from the discussion here on MAGIC!. BTW, got yours in
the mail yesterday. Thanks.
.
There were two sets of instructions in with the Paul Fox Card
Rise Houlette. Do you need one of em back?
.
.
Msg #17728 Dated 17:15:33 09-05-91 17682 <--> 17733
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I most certainly did not suggest "hanging everything on the booker." I
thought I'd made my opinion clear on this: it's a three-part situation.
The booker has a responsibility to choose lecturers with informed care,
and to pass along information about the lecture to potential attendees.
The attendees have a responsibility to make their opinions known to the
booker -- including non-attendance, if necessary. If these
responsibilities are fulfilled, it will in turn promote greater
responsibility on the part of the lecturer, whose culpability is
obviously primary. Conceivably, this might actually raise the standard
of what passes for lecturing in contemporary magic, and weed out some
of the people who really have no business addressing magic audiences.
Msg #17729 Dated 17:19:41 09-05-91 -> 17760
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: NEW GENII
The new issue is at hand. I was a bit surprised to see the Tony
Griffith "Penny Move," in which his sole credit reference is John
Fisher. That's sort of like saying that New Kids On The Block invented
pop music. Proper referencing would have to include Martin Gardner and,
most specifically in this case, Paul Curry.
This is, I would guess, a case of sloppy research rather than theft.
However, in the MarcoM article there is a very distressing example of
outright thievery on page 760, third column, where he has lifted a
classic comedy routine from Professor Irwin Corey and presented it as
if it were his own creation. I think this is shameful.
Msg #17730 Dated 17:43:44 09-05-91 17630 <--> 17738
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
I had a friend who made the nitrogen tri-iodie in lab, too! Took it
out to the front lawn of the high school and threw rocks at it, trying
to make it explode. Didn't work. Then school found out, and cleaned
all the suspect chemicals out the lab.
Msg #17731 Dated 17:46:27 09-05-91 17640 <--> 17732
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
What is an imaginary number? A number divided by 0? A number divided
by a negative number?
Msg #17732 Dated 17:47:16 09-05-91 17673 <--> 17747
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
I tried rubbing the rims of glasses in a chinese restaurant and
produced no sounds whatsoever, dampened fingers or not.
Msg #17733 Dated 18:03:45 09-05-91 17669 <--> 17739
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I assume this is fairly easy to fix -- with the right electronics.
s
s
Msg #17734 Dated 18:39:10 09-05-91 -> 17808
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: HISTORY,SCIENCE,MAGIC
Thinking of chemistry in magic, here is a historical effect I'm sure
you will enjoy. I read it in a magic shop newsletter back in 1976 as
part of a section on bicentennial magic. It was contributed by Byron
Walker and reprinted from _Hooper's Rational Recreations_, originally
published in London in 1774:
"The predicted earthquake and volcano...Grind fresh iron filings free
from rust, with an equal quantity of pure sulpher for a long time, till
the whole be formed into a fine powder. This mixture kept in dry air
will continue cold for any time, but if it be wrought up with only as
much fair water as will form it into a stiff paste, the mass will soon
grow warm, swell, heave, emit a thick smoke, and at last a sulphereous
fire and flame. Therefore take about fifty pounds of the above powder,
and bury it privately about a foot deep under the earth. You may safely
predict that in about eight hours time the ground will begin to heave
and swell, that it will send forth hot sulphureous streams, and at last
bursting into live flames, will form a true volcano."
I've never tried it but sounds like fun...
Msg #17735 Dated 20:35:24 09-05-91 17639 <--> 17766
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIDEOS
A lot of it has to do with the mentality that says " so and so did a
dancing hanky on TV; I'll go buy a dancing hank and then, hey, I am
just as good as that performer..." Sounds exaggerated but there are
those who really think like this.
Msg #17736 Dated 20:37:41 09-05-91 17671 <--> 17737
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TONIGHT
I have told it more than a few times; last year Ricky Jay did a
magazine piece about it, and included the spiel I used to do -- I was
front talker at the museum for a time.
Msg #17737 Dated 20:38:56 09-05-91 17695 <--> 17750
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Indeed it arrove today.
Msg #17738 Dated 20:39:40 09-05-91 17628 <--> 17754
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
So make it one for my paper, and one more for the woad.
Msg #17739 Dated 20:41:25 09-05-91 17647 <--> 17740
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yes -- but the teacher can be oneself.
Msg #17740 Dated 20:42:09 09-05-91 17668 <--> 17742
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Seems wise.
Msg #17741 Dated 20:42:12 09-05-91 16662 <--> 17768
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
I'd agree....great list!
I would have to add only one...Jim, Vic & Shag doing the Coverless Sub
Trunk!
'W.
Msg #17742 Dated 20:43:20 09-05-91 17686 <--> 17743
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
That's because you don't own those trick haberdashery mirrors; slightly
tinted to make you look tan and healthy, slightly convex to make you
look thinner.
Msg #17743 Dated 20:44:40 09-05-91 17693 <--> 17744
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Just got the book in at the Library yesterday so I have only read a few
pages of the intro section -- what I have read is brilliant.
Msg #17744 Dated 20:46:06 09-05-91 17713 <--> 17762
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Interesting; it is called a lecture but in the body of the text it is
called a workshop. Wonder which it is?
Msg #17745 Dated 20:47:09 09-05-91 17626 <--> 17746
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
3101 Pico, if I remember correctly.
Msg #17746 Dated 20:48:09 09-05-91 17698 <--> 17771
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
It still is very much a part of Ricky's professional repertoire -- I
frankly can't imagine, give how identified RJ has become with that
effect (he's done it on national TV a number of times), why anyone else
would WANT to do it. Better to find something not identified witha
particular performer; certainly there is no dearth of material.
Msg #17747 Dated 20:50:42 09-05-91 17644 <--> 17761
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Of course, the glasses don't have to be of various sizes -- just filled
to different levels; that's why it is easier to do this routine in cool
weather.
Msg #17750 Dated 21:11:16 09-05-91 16948 <--> 17767
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT
David, MM performed on a PBS show called "Alive from Off Center". I
taped it when it was on. Let me know if you're interested, and I could
copy it. I can't guarantee you great quality, though....
Msg #17751 Dated 21:14:32 09-05-91 -> 17772
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: TONIGHT II
Since the big subject around hrere seems to be the tonight show, did
anyone catch the friday before? He had lance burton AND "the passing
zone". Juggling and magic. Since both r my hobbies, I was in heaven
that night.
I didn't see anyone else comment on Ricky Jay's appearance, so I will.
I was very much entertained. Ok, back to more MM talk....
Msg #17752 Dated 21:44:28 09-05-91 -> 17785
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: SUNDAY SERIES
For what it's worth, I will be performing at the Ice House on three
successive Sundays (9/29, 10/6, 10/13). Showtime is 9:00. Address is
24 N. Mentor Ave., Pasadena. Information & reservations: 818/577-1894.
Msg #17753 Dated 21:49:37 09-05-91 17714 <--> 17763
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MUSIC LICENSING
Great. Will be home Monday nite... in Lancaster Calif. right now
lightning and thunder outside. Spent day (after flying from N. to
S. Calif., at Leno's house, then over to he garage... awesome....
he has cars, Lamborghini's Cobras Bentleys.... argh.... and the
killer is the good taste... he has murals on the walls, hand
painted, of the famous make Logos of cars he loves... lots of old
racing and car posters... I am going to send him some of mine to
hang... great guy... lotsa fun...
Msg #17754 Dated 21:49:48 09-05-91 17715 <--> 17755
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Feel and smell.... hmmmmm could get you in trubble.
Msg #17755 Dated 21:49:52 09-05-91 17716 <--> 17778
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
What does Frizzles mean? Two copies without carbon paper... fo' get
it...
Msg #17758 Dated 21:50:10 09-05-91 17725 <--> 17765
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NIGHT COURT
Yep, send one set, slow mail, Paul Fox instructions and I will file.
I have one other set of the gimmick, but no houlette. A rosewood one
would be nice in the next 10 years!!!! Talk atchas....
Msg #17760 Dated 21:50:25 09-05-91 17729 <--> 17796
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW GENII
I am travelling, but will check out the material you are talking
about when I get home.
Did you hear marcom nearly got wiped out with a fall into the ORCH
pit at TAOM? He fell a long way down and did not get hurt badly.
Scared a lot of people.
Msg #17761 Dated 21:50:33 09-05-91 17732 <--> 17782
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
In Chinese restaurants you ... forget it... I was going to do a
cross wise joke... sorry.....
Msg #17762 Dated 21:50:52 09-05-91 17713 <--> 17769
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Well, the difference here, I believe, is this is a professional
presentation... and most in magic, unfortunately, are still amateur
rank as far as promotions and coming into the 20th Century are...
oooopsss lights just went dimmmmmm here at hotel.... lightnin'
storm outside. Hey it has to be in your neighborhood to Frog.
Funny, couldn't get compuserve out here to answer so had to go for
a 81 number....
Msg #17763 Dated 21:51:03 09-05-91 17714 <--> 17799
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MUSIC LICENSING
Tanks Tab.... I have put a line into the IBM contracts saying that
the magicalumpen performers is responsible for any scratch owed to
ASCAP, BMI or anybody else in the musica business.... this will
hole the IBM harmless if anybody screams.... doubt if much if any
thing will really happen....
Any idea what it might cost an act that, say, uses TEA FOR TWO? Or
other generic type music????
Just remembered the MTV awardsis on tv, turned on and it was just
over and ending.... Did get too much Arsenio (1.4 minutes)....
HE IS TOOOOO HIP FOR ANYBODY.... but i guess the regular people
think it be coooool..... too hip..... agh.....
Didn't know Harry Reasoner had died... and some guy said, "Harry
ER;17718
I FERGIV YOU
Msg #17765 Dated 21:51:29 09-05-91 17725 <--> 17831
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NIGHT COURT
I have a funny feeling there is a P&L table base somewhere in all
my crap... but dn't know in what box....
I recall teh Star magic table base... was alluminum tubing, slipped
together... really nice sysem and looked great. I also have a
couple of drub stands Iused for side tables...
Wish I had my old Thayer Table with the two black art wells...
Dont' know what I did, probably gave to some young dude....
.
gag... Milli Vanilli... I hear the word is they didn't even do
their own dancing.... argh.... bye bye...
Msg #17766 Dated 21:51:43 09-05-91 17735 <--> 17811
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
When Gus Davenport was away from home, travelling and performing on
the road, the family always knew where he was by the cities the
orders for the Mutilated Parasol were coming from. Ooops, think it
was Lewis Davenort....
Msg #17767 Dated 21:51:50 09-05-91 17737 <--> 17783
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Goooooooooooooooooood.....
Msg #17768 Dated 21:51:54 09-05-91 17741 <--> 17817
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
OK, who is doing a sub trunk without a trunk in showbiz today?
Not a gag question.
Howuz your hiatus?
Msg #17769 Dated 21:52:00 09-05-91 17742 <--> 17770
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I never thoght of that.... tan lights, ultra slim grain to the glass
hmmmmmm.....
Msg #17770 Dated 21:52:05 09-05-91 17743 <--> 17774
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Glad someone OTHER THAN ME has looked at the book. Yep, 'tis brillnt
(wanted to keep to one line)
Msg #17771 Dated 21:52:11 09-05-91 17746 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: RICKY JAY
I agree. That's why I suggest people look to other premises for
their approach, presentation etc....
Msg #17772 Dated 21:52:17 09-05-91 17751 <--> 18051
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: TONIGHT II
Probably nobody commented on ricky (tho I DID) 'cause it was a
re run.... You juggle too? I used to do a lot of Jug onstage, but
polio on one side has limited my movements.... still toss stuff
about quite a bit....
I was in Jay Marshall's Magic Inc., Chicago one day and Jay said,
"Here try these, we just got a new supply of LaCrosse balls in.
So I picked up 3 and did some stuff. Jay said, "There is another
guy in the store here (therewere about 5 others) that juggles. CAn
you tell by looking at them who it might be?" I sed NO>>>> so he
calls a guy over and says, "This is Pete, from Calif., he does a
bit of juggling too...." Guy reaches over and grabs four balls
from pile, then say, "Let me have your three..." and proceeds to
toss SEVEN BALLS.... NO MISSES....
TALK ABOUT A SET UP....
ARGH..... Don't remember the fella's name....
Msg #17774 Dated 22:03:16 09-05-91 17728 <--> 17775
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Actually, it was Bill Wells, in message #17679, that suggested that
there was an attempt to "hang everything on the booker." I was only
making a reference o is comment.
I think that your approach, in message #17728, sounds EXCELLENT.
Msg #17775 Dated 22:05:40 09-05-91 17733 <--> 17776
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yes, it can be fixed by the same electronics that eliminate macrovision
and the other video copy schemes - so the fix for the comsumer who
simply wants a decent image is to use a "macrovision killer."
Unfortunately, this places the burden for obtaining and installing the
device on the honest consumer, it requires the consumer to fiddle with
the device, and it still will yield, even at best, a degraded picture!
I believe that they DO NOT use macrovision and the related schemes on
either Beta tapes or on LaserDiscs. I'm not sure if this is for
completely technical reasons (which seems unlikely) or because they
realize that the Beta and LaserDisc folks are more discriminating and
would be more likely to refuse to buy a flawed product.
Msg #17776 Dated 22:11:28 09-05-91 17744 <--> 17777
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I rather figured that you would catch the lecture/workshop dichotomy in
that particular description. I suspect that it was a lecture. But I
think that the item does provide a reasonable example of the type of
description that should appear.
Msg #17777 Dated 22:14:30 09-05-91 17762 <--> 17807
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I don't think that the difference is one of professional presentations
vs. amatuer ones - it is simply a matter of someone on the convention
committee or the lecture booking group taking a few moments to include
a description. I think it isn't being done in magic only because "we
never did it that way."
The storm is probably only on your side of the mountains - it has been
known to happen in that neighborhood - keep your batteries charged.
Msg #17778 Dated 22:18:00 09-05-91 17730 <--> 17779
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
My nitrogen tri-iodide WORKED! We made about a postage stamp size glob
of it, not knowing that it dried and formed crystals from the inside
out! When the first one blew, it spread the stuff all over the lab.
For the next three days, when anyone touched something one or more
crystals would explode.
Msg #17779 Dated 22:20:33 09-05-91 17738 <--> 17780
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
T A -
You gotta stop doing that stuff! It causes me to go into hysterics,
bang on the keyboard, and, well, I'm having to buy keyboards by the six
pack now.
Msg #17780 Dated 22:22:19 09-05-91 17754 <--> 17781
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Feel and smell can't get you in as much trouble as look and feel - at
least in the software business.
Msg #17781 Dated 22:23:21 09-05-91 17755 <--> 17801
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Frizzles is a technical term - it is descriptive of the shape that the
sound of the edges of an egg frying makes in your mind.
Msg #17782 Dated 22:27:18 09-05-91 17732 <--> 17805
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
I know - I could never get any sound out of the rims of my glasses
either. That's one of the reasons I switched to contact lenses.
Msg #17783 Dated 22:30:42 09-05-91 17736 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TONIGHT
Thanks for the info on the magazine article by Ricky Jay, etc. It is
certainly an interesting story. I guess that at a flea circus it is
considered rude to refer to the "front talker" as a barker.
Msg #17785 Dated 22:37:44 09-05-91 17752 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SUNDAY SERIES
Thanks for the info, Max. Hopefully some MAGIC! members will make it
a point to see your performance at the Ice House (24 N. Mentor Ave.,
Pasadena) on the three Sunday evenings - 9/29, 10/6, 10/13 - at 9:00
p.m. and will make sure to introduce themselves to you. What sort of
venue is the Ice House?
Msg #17788 Dated 22:42:59 09-05-91 -> 17813
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: BACK
I'm back but, after two and one half hours of downloading the messages
posted while I was gone, I'm too exhausted to bring y'all up to date
regarding my simple little relaxing vacation in the country that wound
up costing me over seventeen grand!!!! (Ouch!!!)
Gotta log off and recover, by which time, there'll probably be another
couple of hours worth of downloading to do!!! ARRGGGHH!!! (Sorry,
Pete.)
'Wayne.
Msg #17794 Dated 23:31:44 09-05-91 16978 <--> 17936
From: CHRIS STARR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DEDICATION
Re:Ken Brooke Line
I agree with Joe on the point that magi always keep wanting to see
"what's new"...they do! But is there ever reallly anything that's
"new"?
-Chris
Msg #17795 Dated 23:34:39 09-05-91 17323 <-
From: CHRIS STARR
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: DEDICATION
>Can you tell me a little bit more about the dedication of Jeffrey
>Dahmer. I am interested to know how far he is going!
???
Well, I would say hopefully as far as death by lethal injection, but
it's really for a jury of his "peers" to decide.
Gosh, where is he going to find a jury of his peers?
-Chris
Msg #17796 Dated 23:48:55 09-05-91 17729 <--> 17800
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW GENII
IThanks for the comments. Having only seen
Prof. Corey's television appearances I never
realized that was part of his routine.
Msg #17799 Dated 23:59:34 09-05-91 17763 <--> 17830
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSIC LICENSING
"Tea For Two" is hardly generic.
Msg #17800 Dated 0:00:33 09-06-91 17796 <--> 17912
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: NEW GENII
I think you ought to say something about this in your next issue; it is
patently wrong for this routine to be copped, taking credit for the
work of one of _the_ brilliant comedic minds of the past several
decades.
By the way, I enjoyed your Las Vegas write-up.
Msg #17801 Dated 0:09:42 09-06-91 17778 <--> 17812
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't we have hurt outselves badly?
Msg #17802 Dated 0:26:37 09-06-91 -> 17823
From: COLIN WILSON
To: ALL
Re: SEALED AND STAPLED ENVELO
I saw this effect performed at the castle last night:
The performer had me sign a card. At the end of the trick, he produced
my card from his coat pocket. The card was is a SEALED and STAPLED
envelope. There were no openings which he could have inserted the card.
Is this trick published anywhere? If so, where?
Msg #17804 Dated 0:36:18 09-06-91 17702 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEMO 6
I substitute a finger palm on the base of the third finger and have
complete freedom to pick things up with the third and little finger
naturally curled. With a quarter in this position you can show the
palm completely empty with the quarter tucked away behind the curled
fingers. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know
but it may be helpful for people just getting into coins.
Msg #17805 Dated 0:36:24 09-06-91 17731 <--> 17806
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
An imaginary number has the form a + bi, where a and b are real numbe
rs and i is defined as the square root of -1. The a part is considere
d the real part and bi is the imaginary part. Used a lot in electroni
cs and magic. The real part is what they see, the imaginary part they
don't.
Msg #17806 Dated 0:36:31 09-06-91 17732 <--> 17818
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
The glass has to be good quality and fairly thin. Chinese tea cups
are too thick, try using soy sauce - next time.
Msg #17807 Dated 0:36:34 09-06-91 17728 <--> 17816
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Amen Max, weed out the unqualified or at least let them know they
don't measure up. Have you thought of giving a few shots in your
M A G I C column. The conversation regarding lectures could make an
interesting series. You have the perfect forum to make an impact.
.
Unfortunately, lectures are like magic acts - you have to see a lot
of bad to know what's good - it's the yin and yang of magic.
Msg #17808 Dated 0:36:43 09-06-91 17734 <--> 17828
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: HISTORY,SCIENCE,MAGIC
Great idea Burt. Lets make up about a hundred pounds and bury next to
super-pig. We can then predict that it is actually a demon from hell
and perform an exorcism after the eruption takes place.
Msg #17809 Dated 0:36:47 09-06-91 17676 <--> 17826
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE PERFORMERS
I've been lurking for the past few days, have finally solved the
modem design problem. It wasa Kami, so I cast a banishing spell on
it, and it went away. Some of these Japanese chips come with Kamis in
them and they are tough to find.
Msg #17811 Dated 0:37:06 09-06-91 17735 <--> 17847
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
No I know you do not exaggerate. I've seen too many people spend 10
minutes with a NEW trick and then present it at magic clubs,
thinking they ARE PERFORMING they SAME effect IN THE SAME WAY they
saw it. It is very sad, but true.
Msg #17812 Dated 0:37:15 09-06-91 17780 <--> 17824
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Kinda like the Brook Shields scratch and sniff center fold.
Msg #17813 Dated 0:37:18 09-06-91 17788 <--> 17834
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BACK
Welcome back. I have a laptop for sale, so the next time you go on
vacation, you won't have all those msgs to read.
Msg #17816 Dated 0:37:29 09-06-91 17739 <--> 17821
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Aren't teachers supposed to KNOW the material they are teaching, prio
r to teaching. If so, how can I learn something I didn't know from
myself as the teacher, if I already knew it. Hmmm, gets kind of
circuliar, doesn't - a chicken and egg, kind of game.
Msg #17817 Dated 0:37:34 09-06-91 17741 <--> 17854
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
Have you seen them do the coverless sub-truck with a saran wrap
curtain. It's really diabolical - seems almost impossible, but hey
that's what makes those guys so great.
Msg #17818 Dated 0:37:39 09-06-91 17747 <--> 17819
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
You referred to a glass harmonica that can generate frequencies that
cause nerve damage. Do you remember who built it. I was reading a
crystal book the other day that mentioned a glass harmonica using
natural crystal, rather than lead crystal (which they say can make
you ill) and was wondering if it was the same one. This one was made
by Gerhard Finkenbeiner in Massachusetts. He is selling them and even
has a demo tape available.
Msg #17819 Dated 1:01:18 09-06-91 17818 <--> 17835
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
No -- not A glass harmonica; MANY glass harmonicas, particularly of the
rng rod type I described before. It isn't the material it is made of
so much as the vibrations it sets up.
Msg #17821 Dated 1:03:30 09-06-91 17816 <--> 17848
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Most of what I learn comes from playing around with the stuff -- seeing
what works on a basic level, what doesn't -- it's a process of
discovery. Most good practice and rehearsal is not just repetition but
development and progression.
Msg #17823 Dated 1:06:36 09-06-91 17802 <--> 17827
From: T A WATERS
To: COLIN WILSON (X)
Re: SEALED AND STAPLED ENVELO
The stapled-card-in-envelope effect was invented by Jim Steinmeyer; I
think it is in his lecture notes.
Msg #17824 Dated 1:06:44 09-06-91 17801 <--> 17825
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Seems to me that I did get a post here a few months ago from someone
who said that Nitro-3I was pretty strong stuff. But all we got were
snaps-crakles-and-bangs from the small crystals that got scattered
around the room. Have you considered the fact that you can hurt
yourself pretty badly shaving?
Msg #17825 Dated 1:08:54 09-06-91 17812 <--> 17919
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Well, you know me, Jerry. I was refering more to the Apple vs. various
and sundry suit. But everyone is entitled to their own view of look
and feel.
Msg #17826 Dated 1:15:02 09-06-91 17809 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE PERFORMERS
Glad to hear that you banished the Kami. From your description of the
problem, I was kinda worried about you.
Msg #17827 Dated 3:28:28 09-06-91 17823 <--> 17939
From: MAX MAVEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SEALED AND STAPLED ENVELO
If the staple was running through the card, then it is the Steinmeyer
effect, originally marketed as an individual item with props. If the
staple was merely sealing the envelope, there are quite a few versions
in print.
Msg #17828 Dated 4:02:14 09-06-91 17734 <--> 17920
From: DOUG SMITH
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: HISTORY,SCIENCE,MAGIC
Yes, you were right. I did enjoy the story. Should we try the demo so
we could turn it into a lecture-teach in-demo with a video and lecture
notes... maybe do it for a IBM or SAM Convention
Thanks for sharing, I wonder if the person really tried the effect?
Msg #17830 Dated 6:50:24 09-06-91 17753 <--> 17832
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSIC LICENSING
Good for you. Does he drive the cars or is he making a museum?
Msg #17831 Dated 6:50:29 09-06-91 17758 <--> 17833
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NIGHT COURT
You got it...in rosewood...sometime in the next ten years. Maybe
Santa will send you one.
Msg #17832 Dated 6:50:33 09-06-91 17763 <--> 17937
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSIC LICENSING
That's a good idea to pass the responsibility over to the acts - who
should bear the responsibility anyway. The fees have to do with the
size of the audience and the cost of each ticket. I'll know more
when the paperwork arrives next week.
Msg #17833 Dated 6:50:40 09-06-91 17765 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NIGHT COURT
The Steen bases I just got were made in the late 1940s of aluminum.
The Conradi bases I have were made around 1910 and are nickle plate.
The finish on the Conradi's is better even though they are 30 years
or more older. I understand Houdini had a grudge against Conradi
cause a vanishing lamp trick failed to work the first time Harry
tried it.
Msg #17834 Dated 6:50:48 09-06-91 17788 <--> 17914
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BACK
Good to see that you're back, Wayne. 17 thou. Wow.
Msg #17835 Dated 6:50:53 09-06-91 17806 <--> 17961
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Stemmed crystal emits a nice tone.
Msg #17840 Dated 9:14:20 09-06-91 17506 <--> 17845
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I am sure it will work - albeit - at a bit of a faster pace. You
will probably have to start being a suit, doing lunch, and playing
serious business golf.
Msg #17841 Dated 9:14:33 09-06-91 17507 <--> 17844
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I don't recall seeing any corners on you so the book musta worked out
OK...I thought most of that kinda thing was voices in the wilderness
or something like that. Yes...I do believe that it can work that way
if you make your time as important as the other times. However, I am
still trying out just exactly how you do it.
Msg #17842 Dated 9:14:46 09-06-91 17508 <--> 17852
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I guess it just goes to show ha it is hard to ruin a good shot of
Jack Daniels...in spite of whatever kind of mixer you use.
.
It does sound like a nice relaxing outing. We are taking the
younguns up to Memorial Stadium tomorrow night to see the Os play
Kansas City. Now I got to sit down and figure out a time to see
Krayburg before it fades into the mist.
Msg #17844 Dated 9:15:33 09-06-91 17510 <--> 17884
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I still need to dig out her cook book and give you the exact info...
her little Soup Kettle (I think that was the name) was just about a
block down the hill from the Hyatt on the way to the Theatre. All of
this in downtown Nashville as opposed to out by Opryland.
Msg #17845 Dated 9:15:45 09-06-91 17511 <--> 17851
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I would love to have Wellso's Jungle Birds and Gator Farm in my back
yard...maybe even a few snakes and some frogs. Howsomever, I don't
think Waynewood or the Fairfax County zoning regs are up to it.
Maybe you and Glo could work up an act and tour the islands.
Msg #17846 Dated 9:15:58 09-06-91 17512 <--> 17863
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Walter was absolutely one of the best! Unique and Talented. A real
Pulp writer.
Msg #17847 Dated 9:16:05 09-06-91 17514 <--> 17866
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
You mean you didn't even have any fatback to throw into the pot.
(we ONLY put the penny in on New Year's Day!!)
Msg #17848 Dated 9:16:15 09-06-91 17515 <--> 17849
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Joe Bugle was great when he was with the skins and I hope he gets a
chance to prove it with the P. Cards. I guess I can still talk to
you if you root for the Cardinals however it woulda been a close call
if you had said the Giants or Cowboys.
Msg #17849 Dated 9:16:28 09-06-91 17516 <--> 17865
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I probably shoulda thrown "Show and Tell" into the Lecture definition
but I guess using demonstration is OK...just a little more uptown.
Msg #17850 Dated 9:16:36 09-06-91 17518 <--> 17862
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
I am glad you liked the first issue of M A G I C. I also enjoyed
parts of it, but aside from Max's contributions was a bit
disappointed in the rest. I do agree with you on Weber's reviews but
since they were part of the old Inside Magic, I was kinda looking at
what was new and different and aside from Max, I didn't see much. I
am sure the card stuff was fine...I just am not thrilled by having
more card tricks. But hey...I got my opinion and you got yours. I
am sure we will both keep buying it.
Msg #17851 Dated 9:16:55 09-06-91 17520 <--> 17860
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I freak out at anything more than 29 cents on a letter! UPS - DOWNS
- FEDX - it is all too confusing. Was easier to understand when the
guy just jumped on the horse.
Msg #17852 Dated 9:17:06 09-06-91 17521 <--> 17858
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Tsk ain't the half of it!
You don't know how much I like Brunswick Stew!
Msg #17853 Dated 9:17:13 09-06-91 17522 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 3
Maybe Taboman can use Aromaz as the name for the Ole Principal's
Wonder Water (it cures the hoarseness!) now that he is about to move
out so they can build the bottling plant.
Msg #17854 Dated 9:17:23 09-06-91 17524 <--> 17916
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
The old Flosso shop was the kinda place that miracles seem to happen
every day...I didn't get to New York very often, but every time I did
I stopped by there and I have a different wonderful memory from just
about every visit!
Dunninger was still impressive in his later years.
Msg #17855 Dated 9:17:37 09-06-91 17525 <--> 17861
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
No...send the next 24 cartons to ME and I will sent them to Joe.
Msg #17856 Dated 9:17:43 09-06-91 17526 <--> 17869
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
No...I don't need or want to make up a set of coins to use with the
red cardboard cylinder...I feel sure it was a penny stack. I would
have been curious to see what the piece of cork looked like and I was
interested in knowing if they sold the effect with the Farelli
Booklet or wrote up a shorter description. If Tabby has the
instructions for the Cylinder and Coins as sold by Davenport, I will
definitely see if I can get a copy. He was kind enough to send me a
copy of the instructions for the metal cap and pense set he has and
they were most interesting.
I do intend to get John Carney's book. I planned to do so as soon as
John told me he was working on one.
Msg #17858 Dated 9:18:43 09-06-91 17529 <--> 17885
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Misdirection was the mightiest weapon in John Ramsay's arsenal. I do
not ever see him, but I suspect his personality was well suited to a
most skillful and artful welding with the weapon. I wonder if
Farrelli ever actually performed any of Ramsay's effects.
Msg #17860 Dated 9:19:08 09-06-91 17532 <--> 17873
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Somewhere...I can't remember now where I read it...is a write up of
a excellent bit of business with a hoo coin and a shell.
You cover the hoo with the expanded shell and finger palm both. Now
approach one of your spectators who is wearing a jacket with lapels.
Go behind the lapel with the finger palmed shell/hoo. In the act of
causing a coin (the shell) to appear from beneath the lapel, you pin
the hoo onto the back of the lapel. Now openly produce the shell and
drop it into your pocket. You can now very openly produce a second
coin (the hoo) from beneath the selfsame lapel. Get Spooner to hoo
with you...he has a million of 'em.
Msg #17861 Dated 9:19:34 09-06-91 17533 <--> 17874
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
We did use them for that very purpose when I was a kid growing up in
the country. Used to have to chase the producers out of the outfield
so we could play.
Msg #17862 Dated 9:19:45 09-06-91 17534 <--> 17892
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
I certainly agree that one issue does not a mazazine make! I suspect
the time and effort that it took to produce the precursor did not
warrant the lack of income due to the absence of but a few ads. Max
has set a excellent standard for them with his contributions, lets
hope others will rise to the same level.
Msg #17863 Dated 9:19:59 09-06-91 17535 <--> 17864
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
You are correct! I had forgotten we wanted him to be an opener. He
would have been MUCH stronger in that spot! Now why were we forced
to make that change?
Msg #17864 Dated 9:20:09 09-06-91 17536 <--> 17880
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
No doubt you forgot the sentence because it was a one liner...your
brain is starting to think of everything in one liners.....
You will soon be reduced to a single word.
Msg #17865 Dated 9:20:19 09-06-91 17542 <--> 17868
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
NO! Kraybough does NOT have a definitive spelling! It exists only
in the state of creation in the mind of the creator at the moment of
being created. I hate to think what you do to box lunches.
Msg #17866 Dated 9:20:31 09-06-91 17544 <--> 17867
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I guess there should be thought given to holding a gathering for the
Frog Prince Performers of the World.
I used to think an excellent lecture would be a performance and then
the "lecturer" would hand out a list of the effects he had done with
references in the literature for the moves involved and/or the
scource of the he oncepts employed.
Msg #17867 Dated 9:20:48 09-06-91 17545 <--> 17871
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
With the late shows in Vegas and the desire on the part of many to
attend them I suspect putting in midnight events would be trying to
do TOO MUCH. I do not think it is necessary to do everything every
year. Why not wait until next year when the video set and the venue
will be much better suited to the Teach-In event? We are already
doing evening events on both nights anyhow...I think we need to
bear in mind the fact that Vegas itself plays a large part in the
appeal of the DMS and we mush leave some time in the schedule for
attendees to enjoy Vegas. I am not in favor of adding ANY midnight
event.
Msg #17868 Dated 9:21:13 09-06-91 17546 <--> 17870
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Excellent suggestion Pete! I don't know of any magic publication
that currently reviews lectures. Better yet...howzabout a review
format (so that reviewers cover the same items) for MAGIC! and users
could upload reviews of lectures here. Maybe David and Stan could
work out a deal within the MAGIC! reviews would be then published in
M A G I C. Sort of an MAGIC! inside of what used to be Inside Magic!
Har..har.
Msg #17869 Dated 9:21:33 09-06-91 17563 <--> 17895
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Wells has made 'em, but I for one would NOT call him an expert coin
maker as he only made a very few selected items solely for personal
use. He also does not have access to the equipment he used to use
which fell victim to the division of property in SBY's divoice of
a few years ago.
The Cap and Pence instructions were both GREATLY appreciated and most
interesting. They made as big a thing out of the appearance of the
pence under the cap as the transposition from beneath. Most modern
applications stress the latter rather than the former and also employ
the use of a spectators hand in order to make the transposition a
penetration as well. The instructions do suggest passing the coins
through the table. Finally, I note the closing sentence "If the
trick be performed with halfpennies, the movements are precisely the
same." Nothing like widening your market!
Now...Petro says you got the original instructions that Davenport
sold with the Ramsay Cylinder and Coins set. If it was the Farrelli
Booklet, I already got it. If it was anything else, how can I talk
you out of a copy of it?
Msg #17870 Dated 9:22:15 09-06-91 17603 <--> 17890
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
If those example are the depth of advance information you are
interested in getting then I don't guess it would be much of a
problem to do it. However, I don't see that those things would be a
major factor in one's decision to go or not or how to behave at the
lecture. I am beginning to wonder if this lecture molehill isn't
becoming something of a considerable sized mountain.
Msg #17871 Dated 9:22:32 09-06-91 17619 <--> 17872
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The DMS is many things...I constantly urge that those things which
are somewhat unique be retained and that new innovations be employed
and that we avoid becoming just like other magic conventions.
However, it is simply NOT possible to schedule every type of event
(albeit unique) every year. Each year is different. Currently, the
plan is to not have the teach-in this year in order to permit the
scheduling of some events not held last year since as the close up
show. I might add that the close up was the original strong point of
the DMS. This year's return to the close up show will provide a
transition to the reintroduction of the Close Up Contest at the DMS
in 1993. However, thanks for expressing your opinion. We weight and
consider all comments.
Msg #17872 Dated 9:23:02 09-06-91 17621 <--> 17889
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I did see your comment re DMS. As soon as the 1992 schedule is more
definite, I will put it up here for all to see. It is in about the
second draft stage at the moment.
Msg #17873 Dated 9:23:12 09-06-91 17653 <--> 17883
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You mean that Coathanger has finally come out of the closet?
.
...and is about to tip the Passe Passe Parrots?
Msg #17874 Dated 9:23:21 09-06-91 17655 <--> 17875
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Yes...I agree. I thought the Beta testing on commercial software was
now done after retail sales were initiated. In the meantime, we will
await the coming miracles with muted anticipation so as to conserve
our strength for massed and mighty hoorahs when they are announced!
Msg #17875 Dated 9:23:34 09-06-91 17656 <--> 17903
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
Just make sure they are first submitting to Pete and Tabby when you
do find the business plan, letters, and demo kits.
Msg #17876 Dated 9:23:41 09-06-91 17658 <--> 17877
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Obviously, you need to decrease your use of the webs for magic
purposes until the felonies decrease. However, you might need to
remove the computer museum from the garage in order to have more room
for cocoons.
Msg #17877 Dated 9:23:53 09-06-91 17659 <--> 17904
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
I would have thought your interest in putting your finger in the
cleavage would have exceeded your interest in putting cleavage in
your finger.
Msg #17878 Dated 9:24:04 09-06-91 17660 <--> 17950
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Watch out...your crooning may lead to cacooning!
Msg #17880 Dated 9:24:25 09-06-91 17663 <--> 17899
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I usually try to stop in mid thought when I go to sleep...that way I
can get the brain jump started in the morning.
Msg #17882 Dated 9:25:06 09-06-91 17665 <--> 17907
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I wasn't kidding! I would love to have a tape of Biro's "Magic in
My Garage". Howsomever the magicalumpen might not be enthralled by
the idea and I suspect sales would suffer.
Msg #17883 Dated 10:48:39 09-06-91 17840 <--> 17888
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I know how to be a suit. Am an expert at doing lunch and business
golf is most fun in Music City. Understand that a suit can be an
old Duke's of Hollywood shirt, black jeans and ragged sneakers except
on the golf course where ragged sneakers are traded for saddle Foot-
joys and you always play with an unlimited supply of new Hogan balls.
Unless you're playing with Ray Stevens. Then you want to wear madras
pants and yellow socks. Hey, Mr. Business Man. Right on, Ray!
Msg #17884 Dated 10:48:48 09-06-91 17841 <--> 17887
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I do hear voices. Calling me, calling me. I saw where you were
sponsoring Harry Houdini into the IBM.
Msg #17885 Dated 10:48:53 09-06-91 17842 <--> 18234
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I hope you'll come soon before they bury it with an asphalt parking
lot and Craborge is gone forever and life becomes Arrowhead Springs.
Msg #17887 Dated 10:49:02 09-06-91 17844 <--> 18233
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
That's why I don't know Helga's place since it sounds like the kind
of spot I'd enjoy. Being downtown is why. Never spent much time in
downtown Nashville, but do know where the Hyatt is.
Msg #17888 Dated 10:49:09 09-06-91 17845 <--> 17897
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
After the wild parrots flew away the first time out of the shoot
we wouldn't have much of an act left. Spending time in the islands is
something I could go for though. Had a dream of a recording studio
on Maui, but Steely Dan beat me to it. Hard to match their draw.
Msg #17889 Dated 10:49:15 09-06-91 17847 <--> 17893
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
In Georgia they use the hog's jowls. They call it Hog Jowl and Peas.
Msg #17890 Dated 10:49:19 09-06-91 17848 <--> 17891
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The Giants. Bleeeech! The Cowboys, that's another story. Denver too
as I went to HS with Dan Reeves. I always try to remember he home
boys and other friends along the way.
Msg #17891 Dated 10:49:25 09-06-91 17849 <--> 17894
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The definition of LECTURE is pretty easy for me to understand and I
don't have a problem with it. Some lectures you like and some you
don't. I've come out of a lecture thinking it was great and the
guy next to me sez it stinks and viceversa but I'm not looking for
stuff to add to my act. I'm looking for inspiration and you can find
it at the most unlikely places. There are lecturers I do think are
good however. There are different levels of teaching and learning
from the most base to the most high. Depends on what the goer is
looking for. I like soaring with the eagles as well as eating turkey
on Thanksgiving (for a week after).
Msg #17892 Dated 10:49:36 09-06-91 17862 <--> 18240
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
I think "Magic" would sell more ads if they put their rates more
in line with their circulation. They're pricing them same as Genii
which has a much larger subscription base.
Msg #17893 Dated 10:49:42 09-06-91 17866 <--> 17901
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Close Encounters of the Magic Kind in Rochester is doing a unique
evening with Scotty York this year. The night is called "Stump Scot"
and Scotty will be challanged to perform any and all effects, routine
s, et al that he has come up with over the years. Should be a fun
night.
Msg #17894 Dated 10:49:49 09-06-91 17868 <--> 17902
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I think Dave should do a MAGIC! column somewhere. It would be a
good thing.
Msg #17895 Dated 10:49:54 09-06-91 17869 <--> 17949
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
You've already got it. The only loose instructions here at Hotel
DeCarlo are the ones for the Brit Cap and Pence. The penny stack
I've got here is the one from the instructions I faxxxed ya.
Msg #17897 Dated 11:41:39 09-06-91 17873 <--> 17898
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Far as I know, Coathanger died in the closet around 100 years ago! I
think that the closing scene in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid was
taken from his autobiography - but I'm not sure about this. As I
understand it, the true story of his involvement in magic is just
begining to emerge.
Msg #17898 Dated 11:44:27 09-06-91 17888 <--> 18232
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
And Les and Terri Au, who placed second in this year's IBM stage
competition and 1st at SAM, already have the islands pretty well
covered! I think the wild parrots our here are still in our
neighborhood although no longer roosting in my trees - I think I saw
'em on a neighbor's tree a couple of days ago.
Msg #17899 Dated 11:52:57 09-06-91 17880 <--> 17945
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
That, Bill, is exactly the premise behind my always stopping reading in
mid-sentance. In technical terms, the concept is called "Lack of
Closure." It creates just enough psychological tension to focus your
thoughts and to keep your heart beating through the night.
Msg #17901 Dated 11:57:42 09-06-91 17871 <--> 17947
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I'm glad to hear that the plan is to revive the close-up aspects of the
DM. That, to me, was one of its strong suites, and I felt that when it
started to drift aay from tat, that it was perhaps because Joe was
trying to create Close-Up as a different event (like last year). I'm
really glad to hear that it is coming back to DM.
I also agree that a strong point of the DM is that it IS unique. That
is precisely what makes it so great.
Msg #17902 Dated 12:03:27 09-06-91 17870 <--> 17928
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I think that there is a lot connected with lectures that forms the
corpus of the mountain. But that the idea of including information
about the lecture and the lecturer in the pre-lecture information is
only one molehill. Lectures are becoming a big business of their own
and the publicity should reflect this in a manner that a customer can
use to evaluate the appropriateness of the lecture. Of course, out on
the lecture circuit in small towns, etc. where they only get a couple
of lectures a year, it is likely that everyone will attend everything.
But in the case of conventions and the lectures at the Castle, it would
probably draw more attendees if they knew what the lecture would cover,
etc., in advance.
Msg #17903 Dated 12:10:02 09-06-91 17874 <--> 18248
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DENIGRATING MAGIC'S IMAGE
I try to take the responsibility of running MAGIC! quite seriously, so
we run the Betas PRIOR to putting up a new version of the system. That
doesn't always trap all of the bugs, but it does get rid of the more
obvious ones. You are correct that there are software companies out
there that do rely on their retail customers for Beta testing, but we
try not to be one of them.
Although small by conventional standards (largely because it is written
entirely in Assembler), the code behind MAGIC! is surprisingly complex.
It does a lot of sophisticated stuff.
Msg #17904 Dated 12:17:06 09-06-91 17877 <--> 17909
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
I was merely reporting that I don't do cleavage bits in my act. I have
a distaste for them as most seem to embarrass the spectator who's
cleavage is the subject of them and I refuse to embarrass spectators,
unless, of course, they go deliberately out of their way to attempt to
embarrass me first.
As to my personal interest in cleavage, you may rest assured that I
maintain an active interest in the area. This should be self-evident
from the fact that I am not too involved in spectator sports such as
baseball and that I do not watch a great deal of television - so there
must be something I engage in for entertainment...
Msg #17907 Dated 12:27:44 09-06-91 17882 <--> 17971
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I think that the tape WOULD appeal to the magicalumpen - Pete's
personality would cover that group. If he was willing to do the "Magic
In My Garage" tape I think it would be a STRONG SELLER.
Msg #17909 Dated 15:14:31 09-06-91 17904 <--> 17923
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
OK. As long as you don't like baseball, no more Dodger tickets.
Nathan can have them, but not you.
Maybe we can come up with jokes about your activities in entertainment, like
we did for the tv guy.
Msg #17910 Dated 15:31:37 09-06-91 -> 17911
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: REPORTERS
Shall I continue to save these for you?
Msg #17911 Dated 15:34:15 09-06-91 17910 <--> 17917
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: REPORTERS
Yes please. I will drop by Monday and pick them up. If that is alright
with you. Thanks for saving them. Did you ever get your P.K. stuff
down there. I would like to come down and play.
Msg #17912 Dated 15:48:09 09-06-91 17796 <--> 17913
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: NEW GENII
It's only the most famous and most proprietary of his routines.
'W.
Msg #17913 Dated 15:49:54 09-06-91 17800 <--> 17956
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW GENII
The writer must be taken to task for this.
'W.
Msg #17914 Dated 15:54:43 09-06-91 17813 <--> 17915
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BACK
Yes, but a laptop still requires a phone jack. My cabin is in the
wilderness. No electricity, no phones. (Thankfully!)
'W.
Msg #17915 Dated 15:55:59 09-06-91 17834 <--> 17964
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BACK
Yes...after what turned out to be excessive mountain touring, our
station wagon suffered from a liquified transmission. After realizing
the cost and delays waiting for parts and the actual repair, I told 'em
to "Shoot it and point me toward the nearest car dealer!"
'W.
Msg #17916 Dated 15:58:35 09-06-91 17817 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW VERSION OF MAGIC!
The best part of the Saran Wrap variation is that it clings!
'W.
Msg #17917 Dated 16:01:25 09-06-91 17911 <--> 17927
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: REPORTERS
Won't be in Monday. Holiday. Pete will get them from my office for
you, if you stop by.
Msg #17919 Dated 17:41:01 09-06-91 17824 <--> 17924
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
What do you mean, "can?" Hey -- what are the dates for DMS this year?
Msg #17920 Dated 18:38:20 09-06-91 17828 <--> 17921
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: HISTORY,SCIENCE,MAGIC
I don't know if this works but I do remember building a chemical
volcano back in high school in a science class. We lit it off with a
sqib from a model rocket. It was very realistic looking.
I also remember in the same class we generated purple smoke by heating
Iodine crystals on a hot plate. This was very easy and would look great
in a magic illusion.
Msg #17921 Dated 18:42:25 09-06-91 17808 <--> 17970
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HISTORY,SCIENCE,MAGIC
I'm for it. If we could just get the volcanic flames hot enough to
ignite the thermite that was packed around the base of Super Pig...
Msg #17923 Dated 21:06:04 09-06-91 17909 <--> 18249
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: TRIX
I did NOT write that I didn't like baseball - I wrote that "I am not
too involved in spectator sports such as baseball" - but Nathan is wild
about baseball, the Dodgers and Daryl Strawberry, so indeed he would
love to have any tickets you'd wish to give him. As a matter of fact,
if he knew there was someone who had so many tickets, he would probably
want to move into your house.
Msg #17924 Dated 21:10:09 09-06-91 17919 <--> 17932
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
I don't know the DMS dates off the top of my head, but Pete or Bill
Wells should know.
Msg #17927 Dated 22:26:44 09-06-91 17917 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: REPORTERS
O.K. Forgot. Enjoy your day off. Thanks !!!!!
Msg #17928 Dated 23:06:30 09-06-91 17774 <--> 17929
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
OK
Msg #17929 Dated 23:06:35 09-06-91 17775 <--> 17930
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Really?
Msg #17930 Dated 23:06:41 09-06-91 17776 <--> 17931
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
NO?
Msg #17931 Dated 23:06:47 09-06-91 17777 <--> 17948
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
OK.
Msg #17932 Dated 23:06:52 09-06-91 17780 <--> 17933
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
right
Msg #17933 Dated 23:06:57 09-06-91 17781 <--> 17972
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Alright.
Msg #17936 Dated 23:07:16 09-06-91 17794 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHRIS STARR (X)
Re: DEDICATION
NO
Msg #17937 Dated 23:07:21 09-06-91 17799 <--> 17941
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MUSIC LICENSING
Honest?
Msg #17939 Dated 23:07:34 09-06-91 17802 <--> 17959
From: PETE BIRO
To: COLIN WILSON (X)
Re: SEALED AND STAPLED ENVELO
Not sure where, but the "sealed/stapled" has been around for some
time. Away from home right now, but will do some looking when I
get back. For some reason Sam Berland comes to mind as having done
that.
Msg #17941 Dated 23:07:47 09-06-91 17830 <--> 17973
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MUSIC LICENSING
Both. Leno drives the crap out of them all and collects too. Cool.
Msg #17945 Dated 23:08:11 09-06-91 17863 <--> 17946
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I am not sure. Someone either cancelled or Blackstone added???
Will have to look at the list when I get home, if I still have it.
Once again.... proving WE know what WE re doing... and when it gets
hacked it hurts. remember the guy at Hawaii who said his stuff was
lost by airlines and we moved him to a later night show and both
shows suffered....
Msg #17946 Dated 23:08:20 09-06-91 17864 <--> 18245
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I did not see this message. You will note that the first batch of
messages in this set are all answered with ONE word. I didn't have
the guts to do what I was going to do... answer ALL THE MESSAGES
TONITE WITH ONE WORD!
Msg #17947 Dated 23:08:28 09-06-91 17867 <--> 18237
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
OK, you go to bed at mindnight.... argh..... baby......
Msg #17948 Dated 23:08:33 09-06-91 17868 <--> 17963
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
OK, who is in charge? Lets do it.
Msg #17949 Dated 23:08:39 09-06-91 17869 <--> 18243
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I mite be wrong... I saw a copy of a cap and pence routine from
TAB and "assumed" it was the old originals.... tabl tellya
Msg #17950 Dated 23:08:45 09-06-91 17878 <--> 17966
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
We (me and the Goodyear guy) have just located a Photo of a lady
with 100-inch bustline and 21-inch waist. ARGH.... Wears industrial
strength back brace.
Msg #17956 Dated 23:45:28 09-06-91 17800 <--> 17989
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW GENII
The October issue is at the printers but it
will be addressed in the November issue. Now,
I just gotta find a way to word it. Any
ideas? Thanks for the words regarding Las
Vegas. It's appreciated.
s
Msg #17957 Dated 23:43:06 09-06-91 -> 17975
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Just viewed The T A Waters Video. Out of the twelve effects presented,
I think that almost anyone would immediately find one or two or more
that they wanted to add to their close-up routine. Good stuff, well
done, probably exactly what you would expect from T A.
There is a bit of magic, a bit of mentalism, some gambling and some
spirit magic. The effects are presented largely without the
surrounding patter because T A feels that you should take the effect
and make it your own. This really does trigger some thinking on the
performers part and I think it is a strong concept.
The effects are generally quite powerful and, somewhat surprisingly,
ALL are easy to do! I say surprisingly because you might expect a tape
from someone with T A's background to include sophisticated handling,
etc. Not so! The material in The T A Waters Video is all very
manageable.
While the production values are not as strong as some recent tapes, the
material comes across in an acceptable manner and the material is
compelling enough to overlook the production quality.
I know that this is a tape that I will view several times and I would
commend it to your attention. I believe it is available from T A for
$35 + $3 postage and it may be available from other sources as well.
Msg #17959 Dated 0:45:13 09-07-91 17827 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SEALED AND STAPLED ENVELO
I assumed from the message it was the former -- doesn't seem that the
latter would present any technical problems.
Msg #17961 Dated 1:52:47 09-07-91 17835 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: AUGUST GENII
Right, you can always tell you are eating in a class place by the
tone their wine glasses emit.
Msg #17963 Dated 1:52:58 09-07-91 17821 <--> 17965
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I agree. I love to combine bits and pieces from things I read or see
and try to develop something that is uniquely mine. In the process of
discovery there is true learning going on. Just finished watching one
of my favorites films for the umpteenth time, 'Circle of Iron'. There
is a line that fits this discussion. The keeper of the 'book' which
is the object of the quest, says to the seeker, 'We have a unique
method here, we put the students and teachers together and let them
learn from each other'.
.
I think that's what we do here on MAGIC! as well.
Msg #17964 Dated 1:53:08 09-07-91 17914 <--> 17990
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BACK
No problemo, I can also sell you a diesel powered satellite uplink to
tie into a cellular system in frog heaven.
Msg #17965 Dated 1:53:12 09-07-91 17902 <--> 17980
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Speaking of lectures are you going to the Carney lecture Sunday ?
I'm thinking about going up for brunch and then the lecture, over to
the Bodhi Tree to snoop thru the used book section, then back for the
Sunday night shows.
Msg #17966 Dated 1:53:17 09-07-91 17950 <--> 18259
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
That I gotta see - maybe you could scan it and put her on the board.
100 x 21 x ????. What is her hip size ?
Msg #17968 Dated 2:27:22 09-07-91 -> 17977
From: CHRIS STARR
To: ALL
Re: NEW BBS
Just a note to comment on the new BBS advertised in the August Genii,
seems very interesting from the technical end of magic, ie prop
building, historical reference, etc. and since its on the East coast,
it is slanted a bit towards New York stuff. The sysop is Richard
Robinson, who, if memory serves me correctly, had an illusion show of
sorts going on in New York a couple of years back. Anyway, online time
is limited to 20 minutes per day, and unless you register, ($8.95), you
can't download any of the info files....bummer...although $8.95 seems
reasonable, 20 minutes per day does not! Biggest weakness I saw,
besides running the system on WildCat! BBS, is no user message base,
which is the strength of this bbs...
-Chris
P.S. I suppose I should have mentioned the name and number of the BBS,
Spider Network, 212-879-3312,
but then, you guys read Genii, don't you? ;-)
Msg #17969 Dated 2:37:04 09-07-91 -> 17981
From: CHRIS STARR
To: ALL
Re: INSIDE MAGIC
Just picked up my copy of the new "MAGIC" magazine, and if Stan Allen
is ever online, I gotta say "Good Job!". Geez with all the four-color
work in this thing, it's no wonder it costs $4 bucks a pop. Picked my
copy up at Joe Stevens shop Friday, and WOW. To think back that I met
Lance back in '78-'79, before he ever competed in anything, one day at
Joe's shop. He was a real nice guy even back then. I remember at the
St.Louis Jubilee in '79(?) when he won what would be the first of many
contests, the thing that stunned us the most, besides the dove work,
was his use of the Fantasio Vanishing Candle as an appearing candle
production. Maybe it had been done that way long before Lance, but it
was the first time we ever saw it done!!
Anyway, the real point(?) to this is the ad for ROMEO MUSIC
INTERNATIONAL...any of the pros on here used their services? And if so,
what can one expect to pay?
At any rate, "MAGIC" is a first rate concern. I'm not ready to give up
my Genii yet, but you gotta love good writing and COLOR!
-Chris
Msg #17970 Dated 5:03:17 09-07-91 17920 <-
From: DOUG SMITH
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: HISTORY,SCIENCE,MAGIC
Many people have such nice memories. Unfortunately, the volcanoes ad
iodine usuage has been down graded. The chemical volcanoes produce
chrmomium VI dust that is a known carcinogen. Iodine is related to
chlorine and destroys living tissue. (For instance you were not to
paint iodine over iodine as often blisters would appear.) I do not get
concerned about using it once to satisfy my couriosity but it is the
accumulated affect that concerns me...One of my next questions of this
group is about what is in chemical smoke. For instance, "Magic Hands"
sells a "Coloured smoke Tablets" and I suspect that chromium VI
compounds are responsible for the orange colored smoke. If someone
was to use chromium VI compounds and get the dust in the lungs, they
would increase their odds of getting cancer. I don't like playing
russian roulette. I take risks but make sure the odds of getting
very hurt are reduced.
Msg #17971 Dated 6:24:23 09-07-91 17907 <--> 17982
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
If "magic in my garage" as a title would be a negative in causing a
lack of sales...just change the location and call the tape "Magic in My
Bedroom"...any possibilities
Msg #17972 Dated 6:44:54 09-07-91 17924 <--> 17983
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
DMS is March 19-21, 1992.
Msg #17973 Dated 6:44:58 09-07-91 17941 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSIC LICENSING
Did you get to drive any of em or just look. Found a cool piece of
rosewood in the shop and sent it to you this morning. I cut it up
some and put glue on it in a couple of places. Lemme know what you
think.
Msg #17975 Dated 6:45:08 09-07-91 17957 <--> 17984
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Glad you got a copy of TA's video and I agree with you. Some really
good stuff and within reach of most magicians. I was gonna pull one
of the effects on younext time we got together, but I guess not. I
do agree that it is definately worth getting a copy, and preferably
from TA hisself.
Msg #17977 Dated 6:45:31 09-07-91 17968 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHRIS STARR (X)
Re: NEW BBS
I've been checking SpiderNet out also, Chris. While 20 minutes a day
doesn't sound like much, after you've read everything he has online
after a few days 20 minutes a day will sound like too much. The bbs
software is pretty slow too. I did have a good time the first coupla
times I signed on but without having the constant conversational
stimulation of MAGIC!, SpiderNet is a pretty cold place. At 8.95 a
year, it is reasonable and there are a couple of files on there that
proved to be interesting. I don't know Robinson Wizard, but have
wished him luck.
Msg #17978 Dated 7:32:57 09-07-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: HOUSTON MAGIC NEWS
Charlie, a great article in this month's Houston Assn of Magicians
newsletter by Bill Palmer...From The Prez.....TOWARD EXCELLENCE IN
MAGIC (part 1 of 2). Any chance it could be also run on MAGIC!? Very
well done.
Msg #17980 Dated 9:45:22 09-07-91 17965 <--> 18010
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I'm going to try to get to the Carney lecture. Then have to zip
directly back to Techy Heaven.
Does Pete suggest that we tear out the first 20 pages of his new book
right in front of him, or does he suggest waiting until we get home?
Msg #17981 Dated 9:53:31 09-07-91 17969 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHRIS STARR (X)
Re: INSIDE MAGIC
Wait until you see the September GENII - which I guess could be
considered some sort of "reply" issue - even the cover is black &
white! BUT - almost _80_ packed pages! A beautiful section on British
performers by Mark Leveridge, with each performer providing an effect.
A couple of book reviews in T A's column that are certain to cause a
little discussion here on MAGIC!, and tons of stuff.
It looks like we are going to have two strong magazines!
Msg #17982 Dated 10:03:10 09-07-91 17971 <--> 17991
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I think that there are a number of tapes along this line - "Flirting
With Magic" comes to mind. Since Pete also cooks, I figured we could
follow "Magic In My Garage" with "Magic In My Kitchen," but Pete says
he wants to call that one "Wok This Way."
Msg #17983 Dated 10:06:27 09-07-91 17972 <--> 18001
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Thanks for the DMS info. I'm already looking forward to it.
Msg #17984 Dated 10:09:00 09-07-91 17975 <--> 17993
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Go ahead and do the effect anyway - it will be nice to see "Crabb's
Variations on a Theme by T A."
Msg #17989 Dated 10:47:49 09-07-91 17956 <--> 18093
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: NEW GENII
If you want me to write a letter to the Editor, I would gladly do so.
'W.
Msg #17990 Dated 10:49:15 09-07-91 17964 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BACK
Probably not a great idea, Jerry. We're in the WILDERNESS!!! NO
MODERN CONVENIENCES!!!! And, besides, the diesel powered satellite
uplink you suggest would probably be incompatible with our nuclear
reactor power supply, unless I installed it way on the other end of our
monorail system!
'W.
Msg #17991 Dated 10:56:15 09-07-91 17982 <--> 17992
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
If I could "WOK THIS WAY," I wouldn't NEED chile powder!!!!
'W.
Msg #17992 Dated 11:30:14 09-07-91 17982 <--> 17994
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
I thought that "magic in my bedroom" was titilating.
Msg #17993 Dated 11:48:57 09-07-91 17984 <--> 17995
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Looks like my time is fixing to be severely limited for the next
two months. Gloria is packing for the move and I must finish my
backlog in the shop before we make the jump. I will keep my
office, computer, shop, etc up til the last minute and office
will be first up in new digs so shouldn't be offline more than a
few days, a week at most.
.
The shop will probably be down for two-three weeks and then back
up. Larger, by two so should be more efficient in the future with
three times the bench space. There's also a 30 x 50 foot barn
that I hope to eventually move into after it serves its'
usefullness as a rehersal studio. We're gonna start building some
stuff besides tables after the move and am looking forward to
that as I'll be working with some really bright guys on it. Great
new office with a large wall of floor to ceiling bookspace
already built in. (Maybe that's why I like the place so much)
.
Been enjoying MAGIC! a lot and want to thank you again for having
the forsight to start such a thing. I have most appreciated being
on MAGIC!'s first official board of advisors and will continue in
this capacity as long as you feel you need me. Being on the board
is kind of like being a grandparent I guess.
.
Look forward to the second annual MAGIC! meeting at DMS this year
and who will receive the MAGIC! Gold Diskette for 1992 should be
fun. I hope as many MAGIC! members as can show up to say hello to
each other.
.
Guess I'm just getting a little misty as the reality of the
departure sinks in. Talk to you later.
.
.
Msg #17994 Dated 11:56:51 09-07-91 17992 <--> 18012
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Possibly "Magic in My Bedroom" would be titilating, but I'm not sure
that Biro is the right person for the job.
Msg #17995 Dated 11:58:45 09-07-91 17993 <--> 18260
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Don't get too misty unless you is out on the golf course or somethin',
lest you dampen either the wood in the Conjurers Workshop or the books
in the Tabman library.
Life is a process f mvn' on, Tab. That's how your ancestors got to
Krayborgue. After all, they left the old homestead for the new world
at some time, even if they were on shore to greet the newcomers on the
Mayflower.
[NOTE: Message 17996 through 17999 were personal and do not appear
here].
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