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Msg #18500 Dated 12:44:35 09-11-91 -> 18519
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Yeah, let's see - he should owe about sixty-five years worth? I used
to belong to the International Order of Old Bastards (IOOB) and the
policy there was that when you sponsored a new member you had to pay
his first year's dues.
Msg #18501 Dated 12:46:49 09-11-91 -> 18577
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
Oh, I CAN imagine how much stuff the Biro could deliver. I've thought
of going back and issuing a set of his collected MAGIC! messages, but
we'd have to issue the book on microfiche - and even then the postage
would be a killer.
Msg #18503 Dated 12:53:11 09-11-91 18315 <--> 18578
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: GOOD NEWS
Thanks, Marvin - I did get a copy of the L.A. Times article. It is
always hard to tell how much distortion was introduced by the writer,
but there are some very interesting key phrases in the article:
"It _does_ 'have a pig face,' Michael admitted. And it has 'a squiggly
tail.' But, he addded, 'it's not a pig. It's a primitive piece. They
knew what it looked like when they chose it.'"
I wonder how long it will really be before it is removed. I also
wonder what gem will replace it. I sure hope it will be the old
birdbath, but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Msg #18504 Dated 14:05:34 09-11-91 -> 18508
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yes. Book TA Waters for SLC.
Msg #18505 Dated 14:05:41 09-11-91 -> 18506
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
It's how I feel.
Msg #18506 Dated 14:05:48 09-11-91 -> 18507
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
When I was at Gilley's playing in the band, there was a ping pong
table in the studio which we'd spend time playing on when we wern't
filming the movie or recording soundtrack stuff. Well, I was THE WORS
T player going and everybody beat me. One day I was playing Norman
Carlson, the sax player, and I beat him. We played again and I beat h
im again. Feeling better about myself as Norman was one of the better
player I challanged him to another game. He said, "Do you want me
to play with my left hand again, or should I go back to using my
right?" Needless to say, he beat me the third time and we both had
a laugh at my expense. There is a point to this story, I just don;t
feel like expounding as I'm tired from my 21 hour trip to AC and
back for a late night lasagna supper with the great Tony Roy, star of
the LEGENDS show at Harrah's.
Msg #18507 Dated 14:06:03 09-11-91 -> 18511
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Tony Roi who did the karate scenes in "Elvis and Me" told me to
tell you hello. He is not an impersonator but himself, but so close
to Elvis naturally that it was like hanging with The King for a
night. I'm tired, but refreshed.
Msg #18508 Dated 14:06:11 09-11-91 -> 18514
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Maybe put it on viewmaster slides.
Msg #18509 Dated 14:06:18 09-11-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS AND ALL
I've got his number around here under one of these piles of paper on
the desk. I'll give him a call and see what he's got. Yo' velcum.
Msg #18510 Dated 14:06:23 09-11-91 -> 18522
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Well, I am back. And what's the first thing I do? Here I am. You
were right about Tony Roi. It was Letterman he was on - 4 times,
All My Children, Today, Entertainment Tonight, Regis and Kathy Lee;
so I guess you DID see him on tv. A super guy. Thanks for encouraging
me to check him out. He wants me to take over his management, and
I guess I might. I must meditate and see if it will be right for us
both. Bone Pony must have my first obligation right now since I took
them on first and I can see where Tony would really be a full time
job. As you must of guessed by now, money is not my god. I found
myself thinking about building rosewood houlettes at dinner.
Msg #18511 Dated 14:06:34 09-11-91 -> 18515
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
In New York, the driver must look both ways before crossing the
street.
Msg #18512 Dated 14:06:40 09-11-91 -> 18528
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
He told me already!!
Msg #18513 Dated 14:06:45 09-11-91 -> 18770
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD MARIMBAS
I asked Gloria to do the oiling and final finish on some mahogany
while I was up the road and IT IS BEAUTIFUL. I have to TAKE FULL
CREDIT though as I AM the one who talked her into quitting her full
time job to come to tabwoodworks and help out on that part.
Msg #18514 Dated 14:06:52 09-11-91 -> 18535
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Tho I never knew him, I liked what I know about Hardeen from reading
Houdini's writings. Letters, etc.
Msg #18515 Dated 14:06:58 09-11-91 -> 18534
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
How are we supposed to know exactly WHICH Evan Katz is speaking
right now. The one who hangs out in hawaii or the guy who *****
monkeys?
Msg #18516 Dated 14:07:05 09-11-91 -> 18517
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Probably.
Msg #18517 Dated 14:07:10 09-11-91 -> 18520
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Starting a cult, or is it a gang? I forget which.
Msg #18518 Dated 14:07:14 09-11-91 -> 18877
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Great! I must telephone after this weekend in nashville. Will be back
on the 16th late.
Msg #18519 Dated 14:07:19 09-11-91 -> 18871
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Soup and sausages are harder to mail. Maybe I eat the soup and just
save you a sausage.
Msg #18520 Dated 14:07:25 09-11-91 -> 18543
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Maybe it's time to take the IBM big show to Hawaii again.
Msg #18521 Dated 14:07:29 09-11-91 -> 18525
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Cracklin' Bread dipped or immursed in Pot Likker ain't bad either,
in fact, it is wunndrful.
Msg #18522 Dated 14:07:34 09-11-91 -> 18580
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
It's what I shoulda done. I missed reading about half of em as I
had to make a run for it and then got crammed onto an Otter with
a giant guy taking half of my little seat (I was on the inside too).
When I saw him I said,"Man, I can't believe they put the two biggest
guys on the plane next to each other!" He sez, "And you only getting
half a seat too." Then he proceeds to read his paper with the end
hanging over the woman's head sitting in front of him and banging
on her seat back trying to stay in his seat. I was lucky to be sittin
next to him instead of in front. There woulda been no room to read
nuthin and I tried to "think small."
Msg #18523 Dated 14:07:45 09-11-91 -> 18571
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
I heard Sheets was in the audience at the Bannon lecture the other
night and kept everybody in stitches much to Bannon's disamusement.
Msg #18524 Dated 14:07:50 09-11-91 -> 18544
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
Ee;
They had the Bannon book of which you spoke for sale at the Bannon
lecture the other night. I didn't go - I am barred from all lectures
in the DC area - but heard that the lecture was very good. The book
jackets are being reprinted becuase RK didn't like them. I haven't
seen the book, but Rudy said he'd bring it by and that the cover was
a little silly.
Msg #18525 Dated 15:09:50 09-11-91 -> 18574
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I do plan on going to CEMK as I have some friends there who haunt
this and FFFF. They have been kind enough to include me in their
doings. I will ask for the Cocktail Shaker trick and tell him YOU
put me up to it.
Msg #18526 Dated 15:09:59 09-11-91 -> 18583
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Wish I had the Ramsay instructions to send you, but have never even
seen said.
Msg #18527 Dated 15:10:04 09-11-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: PINS
I will try to make the Richmond Run next Wednesday if at all poss.
Why not gimme a call (301)-884-8484 when you get to the hotel and
lessee what we can cook up. Ray Mertz will be lecturing in Wash, DC
that night and as he is a tabman tabler I might be going up there,
though I might be able to catch him in Baltimore on Tuesday if it
works out. Things is day by day right now.
Msg #18528 Dated 15:10:12 09-11-91 -> 18536
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
I guess that a magic lecture and an airliner do have something in
commom. Lessee; landing gear, complimentary beverages and bags of
stale peanuts, dog eared magazines. Yep, you right!
Msg #18530 Dated 15:10:25 09-11-91 -> 18538
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HEAVEN!!!!!
I would think that Biro and Nathan were a perfect match.
Msg #18531 Dated 15:10:29 09-11-91 18171 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ANOTHER MAGIC! FIRST
Got it, thanks.
Msg #18532 Dated 15:10:33 09-11-91 -> 18610
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: STUFF FOR ACT
Just got in from the road and yo package was here. I will look it
over later tonight and letcha know what I think. Will also think on
the plexy thing and let you know. Thanks.
Msg #18533 Dated 15:10:40 09-11-91 -> 18539
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
This will be a forgotten subject by the time I get to read the
review BUT whether I agree with TA on the book or not, I'm sure glad
that he's the reviewer in residence for the Genii regardless what
he says about me.
Msg #18534 Dated 15:10:47 09-11-91 -> 18545
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I get home, tired from Atlantic City and Gloria sez, "Pete Biro has
faxxed you some picture but I can't quite tell what it is." Somekind
of lota, right?
Msg #18535 Dated 15:13:03 09-11-91 18508 <--> 18548
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Put the convention program on Viewmaster(r) _reels_ (Viewmaster doesn't
call 'em slides). Hmmmm.... Was that a wild guess or did you know
that I am probably one of the few MAGIC! members who could do that?
Anita happens to have a Viewmaster camera!
Msg #18536 Dated 15:19:03 09-11-91 18528 <--> 18547
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
Personally, I HOPE that landing gear, complimentary beverages and bags
of stale peanuts are THE ONLY THINGS that magic lectures and airliners
have in common - I fly a lot.
Msg #18538 Dated 15:23:26 09-11-91 18530 <--> 18595
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HEAVEN!!!!!
I think they (Biro and Nathan) made a great team - Nathan nailed Pete
with a couple of one-liners.
Msg #18539 Dated 15:25:28 09-11-91 18533 <--> 18541
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Somehow I don't think people will skip T A's reviews when they go
through Genii. However, I may delay publication of my book until he
retires.
Msg #18540 Dated 15:28:40 09-11-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CLASSIC RADIO
I don't know if everyone has a Pic 'N' Save store near them, or even if
all of the stores have the same stuff, but I just found a treasure
trove of classic radio tapes in the local store and bought 'em all.
They have the Metacom series at bargain prices - for example, I picked
up 4-hours of comedy - Abbott & Costello, Burns & Allen, Jack Benny and
The Bickersons - for $ 5.99.
The sets include anywhere from four to twelve hour long tapes each and
are priced between $ 5.99 and $ 14.99. Looks like I'm gonna be in hog
heaven for the next 40 hours or so!
Msg #18541 Dated 15:48:01 09-11-91 18539 <--> 18584
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Are you referring to OUR book, the book of Biro's One-Liners?
Msg #18542 Dated 16:23:35 09-11-91 -> 18568
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IN PRINT
Please advise us when the book is published!
Msg #18543 Dated 16:25:48 09-11-91 18516 <--> 18569
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
No, what IS the Big Island?
Msg #18544 Dated 16:28:41 09-11-91 18524 <--> 18566
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
Cool, thanks. I thought the last Bannon book was one of the top two or
three books of last year. Super stuff. Weber, in this month's review
column, takes a stab at Bannon which I think is much undeserved.
Something about "suprised" and Weber's philosophic disagreement with
Bannon's stuff.
Msg #18545 Dated 17:02:01 09-11-91 -> 18549
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Mebbe it is because we have all discovered the kind of things others
are interested in -- because of becoming "friends" on the screen --
that it becomes easier to respond, etc.???
Msg #18546 Dated 17:02:08 09-11-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ER
Re: IT IS NOT EASY TO GIVE A
Prince! And one of those on MTV is enuf! (Unless Tabby can be his
manager!)
Msg #18547 Dated 17:02:16 09-11-91 -> 18567
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
If you need Carney's address to buy a book (the older one) it is
available from Caveney' Magical Publications. The new one is
published by L&L, writ by Minch (great job of writing, I might add).
Msg #18548 Dated 17:02:22 09-11-91 -> 18552
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
With a Dodge truck, "Ram Tough" no doubt...
Msg #18549 Dated 17:02:28 09-11-91 -> 18554
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Yah, Libaugh is so bad and so out of my thought line that I love to
listen to him. He has REALLY figured out how to do it. Too bad that
a normal personality can't attract the ratings one that is so
nutty does... but that's the biz.... Rush is on Compuserve and can
be sent messages. Have you noticed that almost all his calls (in)
sound like the guys all came from the same mold!
You ever seen him? Is about 300 lbs!
Msg #18550 Dated 17:02:39 09-11-91 -> 18642
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TV
I don't get it? What do "sleights and misdirection" have to do
with TV or Video? Hammers and nails can fix a tv or video monitor.
.
Seriously... I SEE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VIDEO AND TV. HONEST.
Here is my definition of TV.
--Someone videotapes, films or draws an image. It is then shown on
a TV set.
Here is my definition of VIDEO.
--Someone videotapes an image. It is then shown on a TV set.
.
Generally, TV is done by professionals at great expense with talent
ed people, well trained, etc. and they do shows with scripts and
good actors.
Generally Video (the home variety, of which is the most common) is
just some dope running around with a Video Cam, that moves it too
much and has no training and no script)... but the physical thing
is the same. Capture image. Show image.
.
What is your definition?
.
Also, I forgot to mention I was a professional Roller Skater in
my early days (until two broken ankles came along) and did a stage
act whilst Skating... notably on TV once in Japan dressed as a
Samurai!
Msg #18551 Dated 17:03:05 09-11-91 -> 18644
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLASSIC
Whos' being inside now? Argh... well at least it isn't a one
liner.
Msg #18552 Dated 17:03:10 09-11-91 -> 18553
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
If you can keep it a secret I have both. The lecture tape isn't
very good quality. The lecture, not the tape. Er, maybe I got that
backwards. If I can FIND the crates they are in will send them
to you either by FAX or XMODEM.
Msg #18553 Dated 17:03:17 09-11-91 -> 18560
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Only in the eyes of the beholder.
Msg #18554 Dated 17:03:22 09-11-91 -> 18555
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
No we got to get tough on these new people. Stand and be counted,
or be thrown to the dogs.... targets for the Cross Bow acts, forced
cards they don't want.... argh....
Msg #18555 Dated 17:03:30 09-11-91 -> 18556
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Let the Frog die!
Msg #18556 Dated 17:03:35 09-11-91 -> 18558
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I dint know you had a crash. I just need to know the Number you
were up to, 4, 5, ? -- and I can re post 'em if you wish.
Msg #18557 Dated 16:59:30 09-11-91 -> 18646
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: INTRODUCTIONS
I have thought for some time now how it would be nice to have a file
with different members introductions about themselves such as Pete
posted on the tail end of "Bad Vibes". That way a new person could
read that and get some idea of just who some of these people are on
here, what their interests are, etc. It could be updated regularly as
new people add their personal info to be added on. Whatcha think?
Msg #18558 Dated 17:03:42 09-11-91 -> 18559
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
WHOA..... You can't go into ANY MAGIC STORE and purchase any known
secret. There is a huge amount of stuff that is out there no one
has put in print and that many do not know the "how"... for example,
since it was part of the EXAMPLE mentioned... the Routine Ricky
Jay did on TV with the same "kind" of cards used in MacDonald's
Aces. (Note I did not just call this MacDonald's Aces) the principle
is not Mac's... the routine Vernon published is.
Anyway... there are some very subtle and INNER moves of Ricky's
in there that are still HIS SECRET. Some are contributed by other
knowledgable card workers, and are not available in the magic shops.
.
The main point "I wanted to make" and I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO JUMP
ON PEOPLE HERE, BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T LISTEN AND THEY REALLY,
REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY DON'T THINK IT MATTERS. IT MATTERS.
YOU
DO
NOT
COP
OTHER
PEOPLES
WORK.
KORAN SAID, YOU "ARE STEALING A MAN'S WAY OF MAKING "HIS" LIVING"
WHEN YOU NICK HIS STUFF.
Sorry, Gang... but this is one thing I will NOT BACK DOWN ON, if
someone doesn't get it YOU HAVE TO HIT THEM BETWEEN THE EYES.
Seabrooke sed it in his lecture. You but a trick. (The example he
cited was the little sabre saw sawing in two)... You set it up in
the living room. You see it every day. You think about it every
day... then one day it hits you, what to do with it, how to present
it. He says do this with all the stuff you have and plan to use.
It will get your mind going. Then DON'T STOP THINKING ABOUT IT.
Most people STOP thinking about the stuff when they have come up
with ONE SOLUTION.
.
This thing, about doing what the guy you just saw does goes back
a long way. AS KIDS IT HAPPENS AS THAT IS YOUR ONLY LEARNING WAY...
but the sooner you grow out of this... and for corn sakes... so
many magi that I see at the club meeting level JUST DON'T THINK IT
IS WRONG to keep doing other peoples stuff.
.
I remember the great TV star, Paul Daniels, coming up to me one
night at the IBM in Boston. He said, "What can I do? The man in
charge of ETHICS at the IBM just told me that "I never got much out
of the professor's nightmare until I started to use your patter' --
the man thought it was OK TO USE MY PATTER! And he is IN CHARGE OF
THE ETHICS!"
.
Well, I rammed it home. I told the story the NEXT DAY AT THE BEGIN-
NING OF MY LECTURE!
Msg #18559 Dated 17:04:41 09-11-91 -> 18561
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
The transposition of one item at a time under your hands has a
terribly racially slurry name.... What if it was Jew-a-Jew, or
Jap-a-Jap, or ....argh
Msg #18560 Dated 17:04:49 09-11-91 -> 18562
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Probably none, but Bill figures that if you thought it was going
to be on Surgery you would have been disappointed. I guess the
thing is that if you are at the level of going to conventions it
is assumed you know who Jaks was.
.
So, mebbe not? So, mebbe this forum has helped. I will bet in the
future Wells might put: "The Mental Magic of Dr. Jaks'" lecture.
Msg #18561 Dated 17:05:02 09-11-91 -> 18581
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
If it was INTEL and not OREO that had the contest we would have
had Chips Across, Chips thru the table, Crushed and restored....
you get the idea... Diminishing, englarging, floating... hey
floating.... nice idea Biro....
You make a FLAT CARDBOARD replica (maby a store has a display one)
model of a computer keyboard. And as you hit it the chip floats
commanded by the keyboard....har.... It's in the lecture notes!
Msg #18562 Dated 17:05:13 09-11-91 -> 18570
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
How much $$ to do that?
Msg #18563 Dated 17:05:18 09-11-91 -> 18572
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
You better keep an eye on machine. If someone else finds it it is
gone....
Msg #18564 Dated 17:06:50 09-11-91 18393 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: LESSONS??
Wayne, you might try calling some of the local magic clubs to get
recommendations. IBM ring 96, phone Dr. Eugene Gloye (213) 692-2678.
IBM ring 21 out of Hollywood, phone Joe Selph (213) 660-2998.
SAM assembly 22 out of LA, phone Nick Merlo (714) 624-8549.
You could also call Hollywood Magic (213) 464-5610 or send in a request
to be posted on the bulletin board of the Magic Castle which is at
7001 Franklin Ave., Hollywood, CA 90028.
That should give you at least 20 people to choose from!
Msg #18565 Dated 17:30:19 09-11-91 -> 18649
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH BOX
MAGIC!-NL Wed 11 Sep 91 01:13
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
There is absolutely no need for Jim zachary to be all that much
upset. The idea for this box is very old, and has been around in
different types. It is certainly not original with Jim Zachary,
although I can understand that if he was the only one making such
a box, he may feel it was stolen by David. But that certainly
does not need to be the case!!!
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #18566 Dated 17:40:20 09-11-91 18544 <--> 18582
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
If a reviewer has a "philosophic disagreement" with someone's work, he
or she ought to state it; that, to my understanding, is the whole point
of writing reviews.
Msg #18567 Dated 17:43:04 09-11-91 -> 18593
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
I do know that the Castle keeps an "archive" file of audio tapes
on lectures. Mita been he?
Msg #18568 Dated 17:43:09 09-11-91 -> 18631
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN PRINT
Stealing Maven's Line about Retrospective... tsk tsk... hey, you
don't know how young/old T A might be.... If you read this T A,
who's library were you standing in front of at the start of your
video?
Msg #18569 Dated 17:43:18 09-11-91 -> 18573
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The team that specializes on the End Around Run, and the Student
Body Right - and stop quick - plays.
And... once in awhile, when things get boring, the Statue of Liberty
play?
Are you glad you asked?
Msg #18570 Dated 17:43:29 09-11-91 -> 18579
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The Raiders are playing the best football in the history of the
game for a team without a good quarterback. Oh for another Snake
or the Indian. You know Plunkett used to live next door to us in
L.A., and Al Davis' daughter was my baby sitter. Got a nice pic
of her holding me in her arms someplace. Hah... she couldn't do
it now... wait... I wish she would! Did you get the fax? Har.
I hope she lets the silicone out one of these days...
Msg #18571 Dated 17:43:41 09-11-91 -> 18575
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
She helped a magician to the Circus Tent between the.... er forget
it, everybody will want one... harghwoof!
Msg #18572 Dated 17:43:47 09-11-91 -> 18647
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Yep, you ought to see it (er them) in full color. One guy said he
has seen her on video! Plastic surgery for sure...
Msg #18573 Dated 17:43:52 09-11-91 -> 18597
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
If you live there in a flash, do you mean "flash flood" or the
"flash" from an erupting Volcano?
Msg #18574 Dated 17:43:58 09-11-91 -> 18880
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Is this the cooking channel?
Msg #18575 Dated 17:44:03 09-11-91 -> 18576
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
Sheets could be in the next county and they would be close together!
Msg #18576 Dated 17:44:08 09-11-91 -> 18650
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Aha... the effect with SHEETS, Queen size sheets!
Msg #18577 Dated 17:44:12 09-11-91 18501 <--> 18651
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
How do you catch micro fish? With invisible thread or wha?
OK, edit out the one line smartass answers and you still have "son
of Greater Magic".... har
Msg #18578 Dated 17:44:17 09-11-91 18503 <--> 18652
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GOOD NEWS
I think they should give it one more chance (the pig) by maybe
painting it a more attractive color. And Tab could send out a
pinque baseball cap!
Msg #18579 Dated 17:44:23 09-11-91 18504 <--> 18592
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
It is up to Water Man.... if he can work for out low six figure
amount, fine.
Think we got the crazy man from Australia, Tim Ellis, who won a
major award at FISM -- he broke the rule. You MUST do more than
one trick, and you MUST work at least five minutes.
.
Ellis did one trick and was on only 3 minutes. Got standing Ovation.
.
In judges meeting we all agreed the guy was KILLER (and Hilarious),
and since he was outside the rules what to do? Someone said, "give
him a special award" -- they didn't know how or what category...
so I said, "For his artisitic contribution the the convention"...
And it happened!
.
So, book your train rides to Salt Lake city to see if I am right
(again)....
.
Just read the Reviews in Bamman's hand on Balto... GREAT REVIEW
OF THE SULLIVAN SHEW...
Msg #18580 Dated 17:44:46 09-11-91 18510 <--> 18603
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Rosewood needs heavier base to avoid tipping over. Mebbe no cloth
onbottom? Lets talke... rest, peace will come...
Msg #18581 Dated 17:44:51 09-11-91 18511 <--> 18586
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Except for cab drivers.
Msg #18582 Dated 17:44:57 09-11-91 18524 <--> 18598
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
Why are you banned from the lectures? Hmmmm? Carney is gonna be
about 100 miles up the road Saturday, and if'n I can get a ride
will go. My car sucks on the hiway... got to get a new tranny...
Msg #18583 Dated 17:45:04 09-11-91 18526 <--> 18606
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Ramsay instructions for what? Actually ain't all his stuff in the
books? I got some old Ramsay stuff around here. Some of his metal
thimbles with his name engraved on em. Hah.
Msg #18584 Dated 17:45:11 09-11-91 18533 <--> 18585
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Yah, T A did a massive review on the Man who is as or wuz? Good
stuff.... right on, both boox, Ortiz and Whalley bee'n viewed at
same time is good too.
Msg #18585 Dated 17:45:19 09-11-91 18533 <--> 18587
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I really like the Tony Giorgio stuff in Genii, and I hope it is
all put into a book. Girogio could do the KILLER BOOK on dice and
card hustlin' -- his three card monte act in the close up gallery
at the Castle is right up there with the best of things ever seen
in that hallowed room.
.
This includes Goshman and Jay Ose (not to mention Friday Night Lou).
Msg #18586 Dated 17:45:29 09-11-91 18534 <--> 18599
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
The largest known pair of lotas on earth. Be tough for her to shoot
a rifle, but her cross bow rests are cool.
Msg #18587 Dated 17:45:35 09-11-91 18539 <--> 18596
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Instead of delying, why not just write a good book?
Msg #18592 Dated 19:31:33 09-11-91 18535 <--> 18601
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
It wasn't a guess. "Slides" was a guess.
Msg #18593 Dated 19:31:38 09-11-91 18536 <--> 18626
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
The scheduling is somewhat better at most magic lecturs I've been to.
Msg #18595 Dated 19:31:47 09-11-91 18538 <--> 18654
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HEAVEN!!!!!
It still cracks me up when I think about Nathan walking in with those
shades on to get a rise outa me and I just deadpanned thinking this
is one cool kid.
Msg #18596 Dated 19:31:52 09-11-91 18539 <--> 18607
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I really like the tough critics and would rather a toughy say I'm
ok than a backslapper say I'm great. I once had a review of a record
(I put it out under the name - Tucker White -) I did called "I Hope
We Have A Bigger Bomb." It was a joke sorta, you know my humor. The
guy says "Disgustingly cretin; slobberishly moronic". The toughest
critic in country music who once said that I was "a slightly above
average baritone who stomps his way through the lyrics.". In my own
defense, I've gotta tell you that ain another review he said that
another tune I did was "the perfect cut; brilliant." I guess I'm
crazy, but I sent him a copy of everything I did. Just to get in
his column was tough. You had to be really BAD or really GOOD as he
rarely reviewed the commonplace. I figured this guy would tell me
Er;18539
By sending your material to a tough reviewer may be ulcer city for
a while, but at least you know; and WHAT IF......he liked it? Then
it would really mean something. I used to buy or not buy books based
on what certain reviewers thought of em while other reviewers you
could never really tell which way their lips are pointing.
Msg #18597 Dated 19:32:09 09-11-91 18543 <--> 18643
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The big island, Hawaii.
Msg #18598 Dated 19:32:13 09-11-91 18544 <--> 18605
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
Bannon is a little "dry" as a performer, but he comes up with some
excellent stuff. Doc Eason and I were talking about that rolling
paper trick he had on the last video and I think in the last book
and were working out some presentational stuff for it. Some other
ideas he had were good too. Next time I do a biker convention I think
I'll throw in the "Zig-Zag" trick but will maybe use Jokers if you
can still get them.
Msg #18599 Dated 19:32:22 09-11-91 18545 <--> 18600
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I think that what you've just typed is a large part of it and
definately enhances the use of the system.
Msg #18600 Dated 19:32:29 09-11-91 18554 <--> 18604
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Here's another one for you: Better to die on one's feet than to live
on one's knees.
Msg #18601 Dated 19:32:34 09-11-91 18560 <--> 18602
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
After reading sooooo much about Dr. Jaks in Phoenix, Jinx, etc I
would love to attend a Dr. Jaks lecture by hopefully someone
knowledgable in the area. Sounds like fun. Did I miss it at IBM THIS
year?
Msg #18602 Dated 19:32:41 09-11-91 18579 <--> 18613
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The Shew did get great writeup in LR. Wood be good to get the Waterma
n for the shindig.
Msg #18603 Dated 19:32:46 09-11-91 18580 <--> 18614
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
What about putting lead plate under green cloth? Is cloth too
slippery?
Msg #18604 Dated 19:32:52 09-11-91 18581 <--> 18608
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Cab drivers only look one way, and that is at the meter.
Msg #18605 Dated 19:32:56 09-11-91 18582 <--> 18639
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
I banned myself? Actually, I will be going up to see Ray Mertz when
he comes to town. No one banned me, they don't know I exist; or am
I kidding myself?
Msg #18606 Dated 19:33:02 09-11-91 18583 <--> 18615
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
Oh wow. Metal engraving the old fashioned way is sooooo great. Wish
I knew how to do it. Ramsey instructions for cap and pence as
referred to by Dr. Wells.
Msg #18607 Dated 19:33:08 09-11-91 18584 <--> 18628
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
He reviewed both books at the same time? I can't wait to read it.
Maybe I'll get lucky and it will come before the long ride to
Music City on Friday. Perfect as will have two drivers going down
and can get in some reading. Took Carl Owen book to Atl City and
tracked the Berg Book down to Joe Stevens who still has some at
good price too.
Msg #18608 Dated 19:33:17 09-11-91 18586 <--> 18622
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
A dancer in Atl City has a 97 and guy who books her is trying to get
her to go 100. Cabbie told me while we wuz jawing on the ride to the
Marina.
Msg #18610 Dated 19:59:44 09-11-91 18532 <--> 18617
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF FOR ACT
I look forward to hearing from you. Alot of new stuff. I will get it
off to you later this week. Please get me a quote ASAP. Thanks,
TABSTERMAN. MIKE.
Msg #18613 Dated 21:26:06 09-11-91 18601 <--> 18627
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Nope, it was in San Diego. And even I missed it as we had the
lectures split at two different hotels... never got over to the
other joint! Not good but there weren't enuf rooms at the main
hotel. That is always a tuffy.
Msg #18614 Dated 21:26:14 09-11-91 18603 <--> 18685
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
Not sure... might be the angle of the thread. Will do some mo'
checkingingng...ing...gg..
Msg #18615 Dated 21:26:20 09-11-91 18606 <--> 18884
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
I jis foun mah ramsay tape (Galloway) whal I wuz lookin' fo' the
tape o' mah lektur. On spellin. Fur the Fwog? But couldn'te findit.
Msg #18617 Dated 21:26:34 09-11-91 18610 <--> 18645
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: STUFF FOR ACT
Tabstermania? A moniker a minute!
Msg #18622 Dated 21:53:28 09-11-91 18549 <--> 18623
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I've seen him and he is HUGE! Saw him on Nightline a few years back,
and he tried to pull his blustering stuff with Koppel, and Ted was not
having any of it. Nice to see Rush called on his stuff. Lately
though, some of his more far-right positions have actually begun to
offend me to the point where I actually don't like not liking listening
to him, if you know what I mean.
Msg #18623 Dated 21:57:45 09-11-91 18558 <--> 18624
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I said any PUBLISHED secret, not any known secret (a contradiction
in terms). The point I was making is that sometimes it makes sense to
be secretive, like guarding unpublished stuff you don't want to reveal,
and sometimes it is paranoid to be secret, when you end up guarding
stuff thatis readily availble to anyone with the coin. I'm not
suggesting we give away ideas for free that people have published so
that they are PURCHASED -- but anyone interested enough to sign onto
MAGIC! and get into the fray is interested enough to go in to a Magic
Store and buy the basic texts.
Msg #18624 Dated 22:00:12 09-11-91 18559 <--> 18625
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
The trick was originally called not "Chink-a-Chink," but "Jew-a-Jew."
The name was changed because, under the old name, the objects that were
supposed to transpose under different hands wouldn't move, and instead
lived with their mothers, went to medical school, and had stomach
problems.
Msg #18625 Dated 22:02:28 09-11-91 18600 <--> 18632
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Better to live on one'e knees and wait for the opportunity to strike
out with a fist at crotch-level.
Msg #18626 Dated 22:03:19 09-11-91 18547 <--> 18636
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
The new Carney book is FANTASTIC! IS the older one as fine?
Msg #18627 Dated 22:04:24 09-11-91 18560 <--> 18638
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I know who Dr. Jaks was, PETE -- if I were in the convention audience
I'd want to know if this was a strictly biographical lecture, if it was
an effects-based lecture, a theory-based lecture, etc. I cannot
BELIEVE there is so much resistance to putting more info about lectures
in the programs! What's the REAL reason here?
Msg #18628 Dated 22:20:55 09-11-91 18541 <--> 18629
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Nope - I'm not referring to our book of Biro one-liners. I'm referring
to my own book - working title is probably The Cabinet of Dr. Lichtman,
or some such.
Msg #18629 Dated 22:23:06 09-11-91 18587 <--> 18630
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
"Instead of delaying, why not just write a good book?"
Why don't you practice what you preach, Biro-san? You know I'll order
one.
Msg #18630 Dated 22:25:48 09-11-91 18596 <--> 18663
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I was being facetious - certainly you must realize that if I did a
book, I'd welcome a review from T. A. Heck, at least I'd know someone
read it.
Msg #18631 Dated 22:27:30 09-11-91 18568 <--> 18641
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN PRINT
I didn't steal it - I prominently placed Max's line about
retrospectives in quotes. How do you know I don't know how old T. A.
is? And, furthermore, I specifically did NOT steal the part of the
line that had to do with age - I used the part that said he was too
young - obviously a compliment.
Msg #18632 Dated 22:33:38 09-11-91 18555 <--> 18633
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
BIRO - YOU IS IN _*B*I*G* TROUBLE - I am oozing up a spell that is
gonna get your modem, your fax machine, and your telephone - "Let the
Frog die" is beyond any reasonable doubt gonna get you. There are
levels of disgusting behavior that even _you_ should think twice before
crossing. Even as we speak, the gold on your MAGIC! award is
tarnishing.
Msg #18633 Dated 22:36:25 09-11-91 18556 <--> 18634
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
OK, I will look at the list - I have a note on my desk that has "Kaps
Letters" written on it.
Msg #18634 Dated 22:39:11 09-11-91 18558 <--> 18635
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Wait a minute - what is this Seabrooke/Tiny Sabre Saw bit? I really
need to know as TODAY I bought a tiny power drill and a tiny rotary saw
and was looking at the tiny sabre saws - is there some kinda lock on
doing bits with 'em? Seriously - I did buy some today and was planning
on doing something with 'em with cards - so let me know pronto!
Msg #18635 Dated 22:41:53 09-11-91 18561 <--> 18673
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
OK, you work on your version of a trick with computer chips and I'll
work on mine. BUT - I have a RESERVE on the titles CHIP TRICKS and
CHIP TREAKS.
Msg #18636 Dated 22:46:43 09-11-91 18567 <--> 18637
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
I've heard that they keep an archive of audio lecture tapes, but I
haven't found it yet.
Msg #18637 Dated 22:47:28 09-11-91 18593 <--> 18691
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
Roth was scheduled for two hours and did SEVEN - that's pretty close to
airline standard.
Msg #18638 Dated 22:48:33 09-11-91 18552 <--> 18648
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Don't worry if the Biro lecture tape isn't very good - we can
electronically enhance it - can change the clothes, replace the hair,
spiff up the tricks - no problem.
Msg #18639 Dated 22:46:18 09-11-91 18566 <--> 18640
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
Didn't say Weber shouldn't have said it. Said it was undeserved.
Actually think Weber's statement is worth discussing. That effects and
methods so depdendent on surprise keep magic from ever becoming
transcendant. I'm trying to "meter" this message after the specch
patterns of our beloved President. George Bush. Know what I mean.
Anway, got the message. Think you're splitting hairs. Never meant to
say he shouldn't state it. Your understanding of the point of writing
reviews is correct. So don't worry. Your understanding is right.
Knew you were a little concerned. Needed a little validation tonight.
That's what I'm here for. Gotta go. Millie needs to be fed.
Msg #18640 Dated 22:51:11 09-11-91 18598 <--> 18692
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
Bannon's a LITTLE dry? He's like a martini with no vermouth! But I
think he's a terrific inventor, thinker, all that stuff, and basically
irreplacable.
Msg #18641 Dated 22:52:54 09-11-91 18631 <--> 18659
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN PRINT
Noticed you using Max's line. Putting it into quotation marks. Though
it was fine. Good use of those marks. Nice to see it happen. Lots of
kudos coming at you from here. Adios.
Msg #18642 Dated 22:53:36 09-11-91 18550 <--> 18677
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TV
It would be too tedious and boring to too many to teach you the
differences between television and video on-line. I will mention one
- they are spelled quite differently.
Msg #18643 Dated 22:54:08 09-11-91 18597 <--> 18694
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Thought Hawaii might have been what you meant. The Big Island. Got
it. Thought there might be something I didn't know about. Happens.
What can I say. Glad you put me straight.
Msg #18644 Dated 22:55:15 09-11-91 18551 <--> 18664
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLASSIC
How could you have possibly concluded that my suggestion that you use
the "scratch n' sniff" method for locating a classic bovine patty
marked card was too inside? Or are you suggesting that I tipped
something I shouldn't have? Considering that it is MY METHOD, I think
I have a perfect right to tip it if I want to!
Msg #18645 Dated 22:57:46 09-11-91 18617 <--> 18666
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF FOR ACT
The Tabsterman. The Tabmeister. The Tab-Tab Man. The Tabby Abby.
Tab. The Tabster. The Taberoony. The tab-er-ab-er-abster.
Msg #18646 Dated 22:57:24 09-11-91 18557 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: INTRODUCTIONS
We've been working on the idea of a member file for some time. It has
just been back burner to the other things going on here on MAGIC! that
require more urgent attention. We have a preliminary programming
script written for it - but haven't tested it yet. It will be
optional - those who wish to be listed will be able to do so, those who
choose not to will remain unlisted. And the file would be updated
dynamically - each entry would automatically update it. Sigh - so many
good ideas, so little time.
Msg #18647 Dated 22:59:52 09-11-91 -> 18674
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Why do I get the feeling you'll live to regret posting your Fax number
here?
Msg #18648 Dated 23:00:16 09-11-91 18613 <--> 18662
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
When was con in San Diego? Any cons planned for San Diego in near
future? Not that I can recall. I LOVE San Diego.
Msg #18649 Dated 23:00:44 09-11-91 18565 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: DAVID ROTH BOX
Please make it clear that when Tommy says "he may feel it was stolen by
David" that he is NOT talking about either David Lichtman or David
VanVranken...
Msg #18650 Dated 23:02:03 09-11-91 18576 <--> 18695
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
By the way, Sheets went busking in Europe - anyone heard from him?
Msg #18651 Dated 23:02:47 09-11-91 18577 <--> 18715
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
If we do your book from the messages here on-line we're going to call
it "Son of Greater MAGIC!(tm)."
Msg #18652 Dated 23:03:24 09-11-91 18578 <--> 18680
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOOD NEWS
Biro - what did you have for dinner tonite? Whatever it was - don't
eat it again! Your responses this evening are causing ME indigestion!
Pain the SuperPig - TAR & FEATHER THE GUY WHO PUT IT THERE would be a
much better suggestion!
Msg #18654 Dated 23:08:02 09-11-91 18595 <--> 18696
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HEAVEN!!!!!
I think he definitely has a sophisticated sense of humor for someone
who is less that three years old. Was on the phone tonite arranging
the clown for his birthday party (any chance you can be here a couple
days earlier? The 29th of September?) and I had to explain to the guy
that Nathan has already told me that he plans to do his own act at his
birthday party - fortunately, the guy is cool and can work with it.
Hmmm.... maybe get him to wear the shades for the act...
Msg #18655 Dated 23:01:00 09-11-91 -> 18658
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: MESSAGE FROM OUR PRESIDEN
President George Bush, a close personal friend, was reading the latest
batch of MAGIC! messages over my shoulder, when the "WOMAN WITH THE
100+ BREASTS" thread showed up. Good old George got kind of upset by
all this attention, and asked that I forward you the following message:
MAGIC! FOLKS:
Gotta admit something. Reading that message thread. About the woman
with the large you-know-whats? Got a little upset. Not too upset, a
little upset. Not to say I don't like breasts. I have a firm position
on breats. Firm -- get it? A little joke there. Anyway. Got to
admit I got a little upset there, fellahs, all that talk about those
large breasts. There it is again. That word. Breasts. Guess we
can't ignorit. Try as we might. Breasts. Anyway, I put to thinking
for a while, and was wondering if women reading those messages might
not get the wrong idea. Not about breasts. They can't get the wrong
idea about those. After all, they know more about them than we do,
right? Another little joke there, catch it? Maybe women might think
we were, what's the word... hold on, let me check this new-fangled
dictionary thing... objectifying them, that's right. Seeing them as
body parts. Not that I don't like women's body parts. Don't get me
wrong there. Love 'em. No wimp factor here. Think they're the best
-- women's body parts, that is. Particularly American women's body
parts. Though some of those women down in Latin America have some
pretty fine body parts, too. Don't tell anyone I said so, though.
Politics, you know. Democrats. Liberals. Be all over me like fleas
on Millie. Not that Millie has fleas. Barbra wouldn't allow it.
She gets sick even hearing the word "flea." Did I use those quote mark
things right? Wouldn't want my pal Evan to get angry at me. Weird
fellow. Good-looking, doing well, but insists on going out in public
buck naked. Without any clothes on. Indisposed. Get my meaning.
Strange fellow. Maybe he'll grow out of it. Anyway, back to breasts.
The word, not the concept. Or do I mean that the other way around?
Breasts -- only part of the woman -- that's the breasts I mean. Let's
go easy on those things, okay fellas? Ladies could be reading these
messages. How would they feel? Particularly if they don't have ones
that are as big? Pretty damned bad, if you ask me. Danged bad, I
mean.
I well, time to go. Thanks for the forum. Some time to talk. Break
in the routine. And maybe you could get that Biro fellow to Fax that
photo over to the good old W house. For research purposes, you know.
Msg #18658 Dated 23:30:03 09-11-91 18655 <--> 18665
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MESSAGE FROM OUR PRESIDEN
Evan - Please give our regards to magician Bush - it was obvious that
it was him - no-one else could write like that. Guess he didn't want
to blow his cover and send it under his own MAGIC! registration.
You might pass one of the White House fax numbers on to Pete:
1-800-424-9090
Also, I'm sure his brethren on the Hill will want some, so:
Senate Republican Cloakroom - (202) 224-8601
Senate Democratic Cloakroom - (202) 224-8541
House Republican Cloakroom - (202) 225-7430
House Democratic Cloakroom - (202) 225-7400
Seriously - please keep these numbers within the MAGIC! community,
otherwise I got probs.
Msg #18659 Dated 23:37:07 09-11-91 -> 18660
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN PRINT
Would that I were.
Msg #18660 Dated 23:37:33 09-11-91 18568 <--> 18661
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN PRINT
That tape was shot here in my abode; the bookcases behind me were three
of the fourteen I have...
Msg #18661 Dated 23:38:37 09-11-91 18631 <--> 18668
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN PRINT
Or an indication you should visit an optometrist.
Msg #18662 Dated 23:42:06 09-11-91 18562 <--> 18684
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Depends on just how vicious about myself I am -- it could become very
pricey.
Msg #18663 Dated 23:51:57 09-11-91 18585 <--> 18689
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I think Giorgio did one of the strongest closeup shows I have ever seen
in the Castle; made that audience into believers.
Msg #18664 Dated 23:54:54 09-11-91 18644 <--> 18670
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLASSIC
I didn't think it was the bovine patty one tipped -- I thought it was
the bovine.
Msg #18666 Dated 0:50:09 09-12-91 18617 <--> 18683
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF FOR ACT
Yoo Yoo Yoo Brothers and Tweads. Sounds like old Masonic codes, eh?
Msg #18668 Dated 1:01:11 09-12-91 18659 <--> 18669
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IN PRINT
Well, personally I hope it will only be the first volume - you can
always do a sequel 50 or 60 years from now.
Msg #18669 Dated 1:03:49 09-12-91 18661 <--> 18693
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IN PRINT
Thanks, but I recently had my optomism measured and I was told it was
in pretty good shape.
Msg #18670 Dated 1:08:00 09-12-91 18664 <--> 18711
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLASSIC
OK, let's see if you really are thinking of the same effect - when you
have the spectator tip the bovine, does it Moooo?
Msg #18673 Dated 1:50:11 09-12-91 -> 18676
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Perhaps that's the way we perceive it now, since some of the stuff
that is being said can only be understood if you have been around
awhile. I recall when I first started, there were a lot of msgs I
couldn't make sense out of, e.g. Abbots address, card on airplane
window, etc. I just hung in and started taking my lumps. There are
still some of the msgs I have no idea what they are talking about, bu
t so what ? If the msg isn't addressed to me, I'm just peeking over
someone's shoulder reading a paper I didn't buy.
Msg #18674 Dated 1:50:20 09-12-91 18563 <--> 18675
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Finds what ? There is nothing to find on the machine and I'm the
only one here. I don't thing my dogs took it, but I'll check they are
horney devils.
Msg #18675 Dated 1:50:25 09-12-91 18647 <--> 18723
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I only turn it on for special reasons, if you call that number most
of the time you will get a talking computer that I manufacture. Pity
the person that sends me junk fax - I have ways of getting even !
Msg #18676 Dated 1:50:29 09-12-91 -> 18682
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
WIDELY REPORTED ??? How many people is widely, 1, 2, 3, ...
I have gone back over the msgs for the last few months and can only
find snotty insensitive remarks being given to people who have
been around for at least six months.
.
New names have been treated with courtesy and respect. Case in point,
Doug Smith asking about stage smoke, no one was anything but helpful.
I don't see the problem !
Msg #18677 Dated 1:50:40 09-12-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: TV
Now I write: "Wands and Anthema's."
Msg #18680 Dated 1:50:48 09-12-91 18503 <--> 18681
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GOOD NEWS
Maybe they can get Richard Diamond to do something. Have you seen
the new clock in the lobby. It's awesome. Next time I see Richard I
want to ask how he did it.
Msg #18681 Dated 1:54:34 09-12-91 18680 <--> 18716
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GOOD NEWS
Yes, I've seen the new "clock" in the lobby of the Castle and it is
pretty interesting (for those who do not live near the Castle [like in
Europe], there is a new "clock" in the lobby - it is the general size
and shape of a grandfather's clock. Instead of a face, it has a
talking automaton that appears as if it were a hologram - I'm told that
it can say about eight different things).
It would be interesting to know how it was done. I was in a hurry the
first time I saw it - I've got to look it over in more detail next
time.
Msg #18682 Dated 4:17:08 09-12-91 18676 <--> 18688
From: DOUG SMITH
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I agree with you in that I only got help. I do also enjoy the
stories, jokes, and opinions. I am not so sure i would like the idea
of having catagories we sign on to, as the cross section of ideas
widens my knowledge and interest.
Msg #18683 Dated 7:14:52 09-12-91 18610 <--> 18712
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: STUFF FOR ACT
Am on the way to Music City in the morning and will work on it while
sitting around the studio on Saturday.
Msg #18684 Dated 7:14:58 09-12-91 18613 <--> 18702
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Not good to have in two different hotels. I didn't think I saw a
"Dr. Jaks" lecture as it would have made my tail wag.
Msg #18685 Dated 7:15:05 09-12-91 18614 <--> 18881
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
The rosewood is a little lighter than the other one so thats prob it.
Msg #18688 Dated 7:15:33 09-12-91 18625 <--> 18698
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
That's good, Evan. I think I'll try it. What do you do after the
crotch level punch?
Msg #18689 Dated 7:15:40 09-12-91 18629 <--> 18690
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I happen to know that Biro has almost finished a super book and has
a publisher ready, etc.
Msg #18690 Dated 7:15:45 09-12-91 18630 <--> 18703
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
How do you know that I wasn't being facetious? How do I know I wasn't
being facetious? How do I know anything but the blues?
Msg #18691 Dated 7:15:51 09-12-91 18637 <--> 18701
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
That's pushing it even for flights out of Detroit.
Msg #18692 Dated 7:15:55 09-12-91 18640 <--> 18709
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
Yeah, I like Bannon's magic too and was being "kind" just in case you
thinks he's an exciting performer.
Msg #18693 Dated 7:16:00 09-12-91 18641 <--> 18710
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: IN PRINT
I too noticed the use of Maven's line in quotes but was dismayed that
it didn't give proper credit. Only an "insider" would of known the
source.
Msg #18694 Dated 7:16:07 09-12-91 18643 <--> 18779
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I knew you knew. You were jest testing me.
Msg #18695 Dated 7:16:11 09-12-91 18650 <--> 18714
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
He's back and had a great time.....Sheeets, that iz.
Msg #18696 Dated 7:16:16 09-12-91 18654 <--> 18751
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HEAVEN!!!!!
What you should do is get matching shades for all the kids and have
them put them on when the clown comes out and watch the expression
on his (clown) face.
Msg #18698 Dated 8:42:52 09-12-91 18622 <--> 18699
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Yeah... I am not addicted to Rush's program... especially since
I don't have a radio that works in my car... once in awhile I put
the radio on to see what subject he is working over!
.
You have to admit he is a master of the medium!
Msg #18699 Dated 8:43:03 09-12-91 18623 <--> 18700
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I guess I missed "Published" line... Funny, I was going over some
old video tapes last night and one of the acknowledged "greats" did
some dumb stuff.... probably didn't want to give away the real
work...
Msg #18700 Dated 8:43:11 09-12-91 18624 <--> 18705
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Veddy good reply... OK, you win that one big time!
Msg #18701 Dated 8:43:17 09-12-91 18626 <--> 18707
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
Carney's first book (or at least the first one I know of, "Carney
Knowledge" looks like it too has great stuff in it. I have only
browsed a borrowed copy, but am going to get it... maybe this week
end if I can get from here to Sacramento... Wanna trade cars?
Msg #18702 Dated 8:43:26 09-12-91 18627 <--> 18708
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
There is ... or has not been ... any resistance ... there has not
been a convention since this discussion started here on good old
MAGIC! I think if you re-read Bill Wells' messages (he is the one
that publishes the IBM Programs) you will see that most of the time
we never hear from the lecturer about the lecture... Actually it is
IBM Policy to NEVER BOOK A LECTURER. We can't afford it. What we do
is to book acts and those thaty say they want to lecture are given
a spot to lecture. This gives them the opportunity to sell things
and make additional money.
However... this rule CAN BE and HAS BEEN broken. One example was
the Jaks Lecture. The next MIGHT (WE HOPE) will be T A Waters.
In the meantime, what usually happens is that there are so many
details to putting a convention together that the CONTENT of the
lecture is ... or HAS NOT BEFORE ... been a concern. We didn't
know anyone (or at least I didn't) really needed to know, I guess.
always figure if the guy is well known, and I like the ACT, it is
a good chance that I will like the lecture. However, if it is, say
a guy that does Kid Show stuff, like David Ginn -- I HAVE NO INTER-
EST IN KID MAGIC so I don't go.
.
The problem with US (ME WELLS ETC) is PROBABLY that we assume any
one going to a convention knows magic, and knows the performers
usual area ... doves... illusions... etc.
.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE WRONG... and you will note, we are going
to do something about it!
.
So.... good has come from this discussion.
.
NOW.... IT IS UP TO THE REST OF YOU TO HIT THE SAM, TAOM, ABBOTTS,
TANNEN, MID WEST, ETC ETC ETC ETC....
.
Mebbe write Stan Allen....
Msg #18703 Dated 8:44:01 09-12-91 18629 <--> 18704
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I am WRITING A 'great' BOOK, You have seen the draft....
Already got vol. 2 in my feeble mind....
Msg #18704 Dated 8:44:07 09-12-91 18630 <--> 18721
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
T.A. does not have to read a book to know... HE CAN TELL A BOOK BY
ITS COVER.
Msg #18705 Dated 8:44:12 09-12-91 18632 <--> 18706
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
YOU, OBVIOUSLY do not understand the old Hungarian saying, "Let the
Frog die" -- it means 'DROP THE SUBJECT'.... then it will be forgot.
Msg #18706 Dated 8:44:18 09-12-91 18634 <--> 18722
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
The small sabre saw... is not small.... it is big enuf to saw some
one in two. I have the Head Zopper Version... which I consider far
superior as the spectator is not lying down, but is facing the
audeince... so you can see his reaction... like a large head chopper
y'know... THE STRONGEST BIT IS WHEN THE ELECTRICITY GOES ON AND
THE MAGE IS vibrating around the stage like he is being electrocuted
Msg #18707 Dated 8:44:28 09-12-91 18636 <--> 18797
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
Check with the Castle Librarian, whoever that might beeeeeeeeeee
Msg #18708 Dated 8:44:34 09-12-91 18638 <--> 18713
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
No, "YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS" ( SONG ) I do a bit about my bald spot.
Msg #18709 Dated 8:44:40 09-12-91 18640 <--> 18793
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
What else can one ask for? There are inventors, there are those that
knock you dead with the inventions when performed (sometimes they
are the same person, but often are not...) BUT I HAVE FOUND OVER
THE YEARS that the inventor usually DOES the trick or routine
better because of the knowledge and TIME put in on it.
You see a lecturer do a killer move and you go home and can
barely do it... then get it down well enough to maybe show someone,
not realizing maybe the inventor has done it for 10 years and only
recently showed it...
I spoke to a pro the other night who was working on a trick and
when I said "how has it gone over in the act" he said, "I have not
performed it yet, it needs another year of practice"....
Msg #18710 Dated 8:44:55 09-12-91 18641 <--> 18719
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: IN PRINT
""
Msg #18711 Dated 8:45:00 09-12-91 18644 <--> 18785
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLASSIC
Be carefull, when you tip a Bovine Patty, it could keep rolling.
Remember the old joke (OK, Max it is OLD, but makes the point)...
"Don't tip our waiters... they might fall over" ?
Msg #18712 Dated 8:45:07 09-12-91 18645 <--> 18939
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: STUFF FOR ACT
Not to mention what Mel Tillis calls him...
T-t-t-t-t-t-a-b-b-b-y.
Msg #18713 Dated 8:45:13 09-12-91 18648 <--> 18720
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
San Diego is on our list... altho we would LOVE to find a place
in or near San Francisco where the hotel rates are reasonable,
te space will handle 1400 and the Theater costs are within our
budget.
Msg #18714 Dated 8:45:22 09-12-91 18650 <--> 18750
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Sheets is back, I just today (well actually yesterday, but didn't
open the mail) got a flier with a couple of acts from an agent and
one was of the El Sheet Man... He might still be living with Scotty
York, following 'HIS' divorce...
Msg #18715 Dated 8:45:28 09-12-91 18651 <--> 18752
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
What does (tm) have to do with it? I am not into Transendental
Medication? Altho I do have a tooth that needs work.
Msg #18716 Dated 8:45:34 09-12-91 18652 <--> 18753
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GOOD NEWS
I love your typo in msg 18652.... PAINT, not PAIN.... argh?
Msg #18717 Dated 8:45:38 09-12-91 18655 <--> 18727
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MESSAGE FROM OUR PRESIDEN
I wondered who wrote Bush's material.... argh.... and I thought
he ad libbed it all....
Msg #18719 Dated 8:45:52 09-12-91 18660 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IN PRINT
Gracias. You can look that word up in one of your books. Wowzo...
nice collection... I hope we can do something for Salt Lake City.
Will be in touch...
Msg #18720 Dated 8:45:59 09-12-91 18662 <--> 18731
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
What does the word pricey mean? High or low?
Msg #18721 Dated 8:46:04 09-12-91 18663 <--> 18724
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
His close up shows were the closest thing to an ACTOR PLAYING THE
PART of a magician I can recall.
The story line with the Monte is one I would have killed to have
thought of. His card in matchbox was so well excecuted you did
not believe what he really did could be done indetectably.
Msg #18722 Dated 8:46:13 09-12-91 18673 <--> 18728
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Of all people... you just keep hammering on the "B" key and go
back, back, back (Chris Berman pronunciation)....
Msg #18723 Dated 8:46:20 09-12-91 18674 <--> 18805
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
Your FAX did not accept... just kept a ringin' and a ringin'...
You mite wanna resend it PRIVATE LEE.
Msg #18724 Dated 8:46:26 09-12-91 18690 <--> 18734
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
B B King was on the tube other night. He sed "Blues Singers were at
the bottom of the barrell... and being black... was even worse"
but much has changed. He is working somewhere near here this weekend
and I don't recall where. Mite try to find. Saw him at the airport
last trip outa Vegas... I think he is one of the most wonderful
of his genre around... Wish he would SING more when he is on TV.
.
Can't believe you were nailed by some turkey... I guess the trubble
is guys like me and you just trust folks figuring they operate just
like we do... LEGIT...
.
Big argh... it will change soon for both of usn'.... fly man
Msg #18725 Dated 8:46:40 09-12-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ER
Re: C'MON FOLKS... THE "SUPER
IT. BUT NOT WHERE IT IS. IT DOES NOT FIT A VICTORIAN SETTING.
.
BUT I THINK IT IS A GOOD PIECE OF SCULPTURE. AND I SAID "I LIKE IT"
.
So there.
Msg #18727 Dated 8:47:06 09-12-91 18658 <--> 18754
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGE FROM OUR PRESIDEN
According to Wells Bush does mess with magic. Too bad. Wonder if
he does Zombie? Or lurks here? Mmmmmmm....
.
Oh, ANOTHER fella from Tokyo signed in onto Compuserve. Trying to
steer him this way....
Msg #18728 Dated 8:47:14 09-12-91 18673 <--> 18729
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
What I want to know is "what did you do with all the lumps you took?
And do you plan on giving them back before they are noted missing?"
Msg #18729 Dated 8:47:21 09-12-91 18676 <--> 18730
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
You probably didn't realize it but all the stage smoke messages
were LIES!
Msg #18730 Dated 8:47:28 09-12-91 18682 <--> 18733
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
You, like me, would probably just sign onto all categories/sections
and whatever... I like to read what others say, regardless of the
subject... Especially since I don't subscribe to a newspaper, so
this is what I read when I have my breakfast cereal and coffee!
Msg #18731 Dated 8:47:36 09-12-91 18684 <--> 18736
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
It was not only in a different hotel, but a different city. You
were not at San Diego (or where you? In disguise?)
.
Don't forget Helga' Kitchen and her Harmonica playing while you
slurp yo' food.
Msg #18733 Dated 8:47:50 09-12-91 18688 <--> 18739
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Hope it wasn't a midget you hit. You might get a broken knee.
Msg #18734 Dated 8:47:55 09-12-91 18689 <--> 18735
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I wish I had almost finished it. But I keep thinking of new stuff.
Sooooooooooooooon will freeze and start on the pix.
Msg #18735 Dated 9:38:39 09-12-91 18724 <--> 18743
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Thanks Brother, I needed that. Have been dragging the ground, but
you just gimme a idea and I ain't had one in days. B.B. said,"if it
don't have the blues in it somewhere, then it ain't no hit song."
Msg #18736 Dated 9:38:46 09-12-91 18731 <--> 18742
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
No not me in any guise. Will try Helga's.
Msg #18739 Dated 11:39:59 09-12-91 18705 <--> 18740
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Ah! I didn't realize it was a Hungarian folk saying. Some wonderful
aphorisms and some great curses come out of that neighborhood - guess
this just wasn't one of 'em.
Msg #18740 Dated 11:44:08 09-12-91 18706 <--> 18741
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Oh, OK, so my tiny drill and saw bits are safe. Thanks. In reviewing
your message I did find two VERY interesting thoughts. One was the
idea of letting thinking occur - the suggestion that you place the prop
in view and go about your business for a few days until you suddenly
know what to do with it. I know I don't have the quote exactly right,
so consider it a paraphrase, but Einstein once said something like "The
older one gets, the more one comes to realize that one cannot impose
one's will upon the chaos with brute force. But one day, while sitting
under a tree, eating an apple, an idea will politely present itself and
say, 'Here I am.'"
The second was the notion that people often stop when they get the
first thought for an effect. Frankly, until you mentioned it, I'd
never thought about that. And it is powerful stuff, Pete. Just
because you can do _something_ with it doesn't mean you are doing the
best something with it.
Glad you made me go back and re-read your message. All of us have a
tendancy to rummage through the messages here on MAGIC! and just think
about the one-liner we can shoot back - sometimes makes us miss the
gold.
Msg #18741 Dated 11:55:07 09-12-91 18729 <--> 18745
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I sure hope you are kidding about all the stage smoke messages being
lies, because many of 'em weren't!
Msg #18742 Dated 11:58:25 09-12-91 18708 <--> 18786
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Oh, OK, well, if you want to keep the hairline the way it is, no
problem. Just send me the tape!
Msg #18743 Dated 12:02:59 09-12-91 18689 <--> 18744
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
GREAT news about the Biro book! I'm looking forward to it. Still,
from what I already know about it, it isn't "The Collected Wisdom of
Pete Biro," it is a history of the Spanih-American war. But it is
a VITAL LINK to magic.
Msg #18744 Dated 12:08:32 09-12-91 18690 <--> 18746
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I think you also know the reds, the whites, and the pinks. Besides,
this is my week for the blues - had somethin' happen out in the real
world that I didn't like at all - got done in on something by the guy
who had been my best business buddy for many years. Oh, well.
Msg #18745 Dated 12:12:15 09-12-91 18688 <--> 18747
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Grovel some more.
Msg #18746 Dated 12:12:14 09-12-91 18703 <--> 18749
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Yes, I've seen the draft of the book, and I'm holding a place on my
bookshelf for it - it will be goin' on the top left shelf with the
other good stuff.
Msg #18747 Dated 12:12:36 09-12-91 18698 <--> 18748
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
He is. Easier to be a master when you've got all the KNOBS, if
y'know what I mean. And all you get calling you is guys from
Southern Suburbs saying "ditto."
Msg #18748 Dated 12:13:29 09-12-91 18699 <--> 18761
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
wThat must have been the reason!
Msg #18749 Dated 12:13:53 09-12-91 18704 <--> 18759
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
T A sure can! I had occassion to speak to him last week and, as soon
as I called, he said exactly what I was thinking. I said, "That's just
what I had in mind!" and he said, "Of course... I'm a mentalist!"
Msg #18750 Dated 12:33:35 09-12-91 18695 <--> 18762
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Great! Thanks for the info. on Sheets. Maybe we could get the Biro to
put together a Busker's World Tour - get about six of us and we travel
the World as a pack.
Msg #18751 Dated 12:35:52 09-12-91 18696 <--> 18756
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HEAVEN!!!!!
Having all the kids don shades would be a funny bit. Nathan gets a
kick out of Copperfield's Big Black Box bit because, at the close, all
the dogs in the box are wearing shades.
Msg #18752 Dated 12:38:54 09-12-91 18715 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEO AGAIN
(tm) ain't just a good idea - it's the law. Fax me your tooth and I'll
fix it with that tiny drill I got.
Msg #18753 Dated 12:42:23 09-12-91 18716 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOOD NEWS
Er, yeah, I did mean "paint" - but you are right, "pain" works pretty
good too. Problem is I gotta get a bigger monitor - I can't see my own
typos.
Msg #18754 Dated 12:43:25 09-12-91 18727 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE FROM OUR PRESIDEN
Yeah, have heard the story about Bush doing magic with the Wells
confirmation.
Apparently, NiftyServe in Japan does a pretty good job on its magic
section. Sure would like to have the guy join us.
Msg #18756 Dated 14:28:23 09-12-91 18751 <--> 18763
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HEAVEN!!!!!
Not as good as a commercial my daughter did---had to dress 30 turkeys
in ts. These were the animal turkeys. Not like some guys I know.
Msg #18759 Dated 14:36:08 09-12-91 18743 <--> 18760
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
A book on the collected wisdom would indeed be a treasure, and one
I would appreciate having someday.
Msg #18760 Dated 14:36:13 09-12-91 18744 <--> 18764
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Funny (well, not so) coincidence re: partners, but hopefully we will
survive and be stronger for the xperience.
Msg #18761 Dated 14:36:19 09-12-91 18745 <--> 18767
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Don't you mean gravel?
Msg #18762 Dated 14:36:24 09-12-91 18750 <--> 18766
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Zounds real good to me right now. When do you plan for us to leave?
Msg #18763 Dated 15:12:03 09-12-91 18756 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HEAVEN!!!!!
Lemme guess - and they you took the turkeys up in a plane and dropped
'em over a supermarket, right?
Msg #18764 Dated 15:13:45 09-12-91 18759 <--> 18765
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Best book on Biro IS Biro - Only way that works is to get him trapped
somewhere and fire him up - like you did at the Hotel DeCarlo last
year. That was a great seminar.
Msg #18765 Dated 15:15:07 09-12-91 18760 <--> 18772
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
U-2, huh? Seems we got karma goin'. I'm not real pleased with what
happened, but I'm already movin' on - got too much to do to worry about
it.
Msg #18766 Dated 15:17:18 09-12-91 18762 <--> 18809
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
I'd like to do it as soon as Biro can set up the tour. Of course, we
are headin' into winter in the Northern hemisphere - so we'd better
head South - hit Brazil or Bolivia.
Msg #18767 Dated 18:01:55 09-12-91 -> 18768
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Okay, then....make it a warped Terry Gibbs album!
'W.
Msg #18768 Dated 18:03:22 09-12-91 18507 <--> 18769
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Nice to hear from Tony. Please return the "hello" for me.
'W.
Msg #18769 Dated 18:05:41 09-12-91 18558 <--> 18806
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Bravo, Pete!
'W.
Msg #18770 Dated 18:13:34 09-12-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD MARIMBAS
Thanx, Pete.
'W.
Msg #18771 Dated 18:23:09 09-12-91 18317 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: GOOD NEWS UPDATE
No, I didn't buy the tow truck, but I'm sure I made several payments
for the guy who did!
'W.
Msg #18772 Dated 18:26:32 09-12-91 18585 <--> 18788
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Stay tuned...Tony's book will be forthcoming.
'W.
Msg #18774 Dated 19:55:58 09-12-91 -> 20829
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JAN-KEN-PONDER
Re: Jan-Ken-Ponder by Phil Goldstein
.
What a neat game Max, and quite subtle. I haven't had a chance to
try it out on a human yet but have thrown it in my briefcase for
the weekend. A bargain too at the price of two martinis. Oh yes,
a question. Assuming that a series of games were played; if you
give your opponent first choice the first time and then
alternated first choice after that what do you think that the
odds go to? Have you played with this variable?
Msg #18775 Dated 20:16:28 09-12-91 -> 18777
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: KEVIN KING
Tabby,
It was nice to see you start up the positive words re
Kevin King. He is a fine magician not too well known,
as far as I know, in magic circles. I first met him 2
years ago when, by coincidence, he, I, and Carl Andrews
-- all Hoosiers -- were working the Magic Castle the
same week. Kevin and I did the Close-up Gallery, and I
watched his act several times during the week. As you
know, Kevin doesn't emphasize original material.
Rather, he does an extraordinarily smooth and
professional job with marketed routines (examples:
Caveney's linking coathangers, Seabrooke's burned bill
and cigarette through coat, etc. -- all with little
change from the original). He does this consciously,
knowing it is not the sort of thing to get him invited
to magic conventions, but also knowing that he has very
strong, proven material for lay audiences, which is
where he makes his living. (He does have a few
original items, and they are very very good, but this
is not the emphasis of his act.) Anyway, I was most
impressed watching him at the Castle. He is a good
looking guy, with almost a Robert Wagner perfection
(this isn't a cut; I'm just describing a look I'll
never be able to attain), and has a great voice that
carries well, without a mike, in a large room. Also is
quite skilled at sleight of hand.
**
All this is lead-in to the fact that my wife and I went
to see Kevin perform a couple of weeks ago, and others
may be interested in the venue. We first heard of the
engagement via large ads in our local (Bloomington, IN)
paper. Kevin was to appear at a nearby state park
lodge called Spring Mill. (Turned out to be a
beautiful lodge in a beautiful setting.) The ad stated
$10 per person including dinner. When I called to make
reservations, I was offered 3 choices of entree, to be
selected in advance. The big night arrived, and we
showed up among the first to be seated. There were 3
seatings in the same room, 15 minutes apart. The
entire room was decorated in a magic theme, with cards
on the walls, and top hats on each table filled with
toy bunnies and wands. As we engaged our salads, Kevin
stood among the tables comprising 1/3 of the room and
did "close-up" magic. Strong reactions from inside out
bill, floating bill, etc. He repeated this same set
twice more as the rest of the diners filed in. As we
all waited, later, for the final 1/3 of the group to
finish their dessert (the pre-selected entrees moved
dinner along nicely), Kevin walked around and greeted
each table individually, sometimes just chatting,
always leaving a little magic gift with kids, and
sometimes doing a card trick. He was great at this,
working the room as an extension of the hospitality of
the park management. Eventually, dinner ended, and
Kevin took the stage to do his parlor act. I didn't
time it, but it was probably about 45 minutes of very
strong material, much of it "standard" to magicians,
but new to this room and all of it enthusiastically
received. Kevin tied it together tightly with little
running gags and bits. A brief impression of David
Copperfield played great. (Melinda also does a great
Copperfield.) When he finished, he told the audience
that he would meet them all at the door on the way out,
to make certain that no child left without a gift.
Kevin has worked it out with Indiana to play the parks
throughout the state, and it was clear that the
management of this park wanted him back soon. To sum
up, Kevin was a real credit to the art on this night,
and it was nice to see magic performed superbly in a
setting where I've often seen it performed poorly.
**
I'll close with a non-magical, non-Kevin King note. My
wife and I just spent the day at the Indianapolis Zoo,
watching friends prep to move two whales from Indy to
the Shedd Aquarium in Chicago. Most impressive. Some
people do real magic.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #18776 Dated 20:33:42 09-12-91 -> 18778
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
We may have discussed the chair suspension some time ago- I can't
recall just what was said, but does anyone have any ideas or comments
on it? It seems there are a couple to choose from and like the Zig-zag
illusion someone is probably copying someone elses design.
I understand the chair suspension can be set up in full view of the
audience and done surrounded which sounds good. I'd like to hear what
anyone has to say about it. Thanks!
Msg #18777 Dated 21:22:48 09-12-91 18775 <--> 18791
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: KEVIN KING
Great report from Indiana. Have you been up to Carmel and seen the
magic at Illusions? Great place, great magic, great food.
Msg #18778 Dated 21:23:35 09-12-91 18776 <--> 18811
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Being experienced (I have the Harbin book) having had Johnny Gaughan
build my chair suspension-- the current units on the market are not
only rip offs... BUT the two I have seen are about good enough to float
a Barbie Doll. Matter of fact, at lunch both Jim Steinmeyer and John
Gaughan were amazed that none of the dealers have been sued for having
smeongcollapse the trick under them. If you are only going to use it
on a small kid... then maybe... BUT LOOK ALL THE UNITS OVER PERSONALLY
DON'T DO MAIL ORDER.
If you can afford it have one built by Mr. Gaughan. There are only a
couple of makes of chairs in the world (and so far none found in the
USA) that are strong enough. Look into the Harbin book and see the real
way it is done. If you need farther info., let me know.
Msg #18779 Dated 21:51:32 09-12-91 -> 18781
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Would appreciate a substitute for that french drop greatly! Sorry it's
taken so long to reply.
Msg #18781 Dated 21:54:36 09-12-91 -> 18795
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Thanks! I'll look into the Larry Jennings bit.
Msg #18782 Dated 21:48:59 09-12-91 -> 18792
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
If any of you happen to visit the San Francisco Bay Area, here is
something to stop by and enjoy. At the Concord Hilton, every Wednesday
is now Magic Night! This is the same Concord Hilton at which the 1991
PCAM convention was held. The second Wednesday of every month is the
SAM #112 meeting night.
To get there, get on a BART train (these can be found in SF, Berkeley,
Oakland and other Bay Area cities), and go to the Concord BART station.
Once at Concord BART, take the 119 bus straight to the Hilton. Simple!
The bus routes don't change very often, but it's still a good idea to
double check at the BART info booth.
//
\X/ Scott Cram
Msg #18783 Dated 21:56:41 09-12-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONIGHT II
I assume you mean "It just isn't the same" gag. I thought that was a
little too funny to be impromptu...
Msg #18785 Dated 23:14:06 09-12-91 18670 <--> 18794
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLASSIC
Of course not; you wait 'til it's asleep.
Msg #18786 Dated 23:18:21 09-12-91 18702 <--> 18787
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
So what have you got against my performing...?
Msg #18787 Dated 23:18:58 09-12-91 18720 <--> 18798
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Low for me, high for you...:-)
Msg #18788 Dated 23:19:59 09-12-91 18704 <--> 18803
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Sometimes I don't even have to see the cover -- just the return
address.
Msg #18791 Dated 23:36:20 09-12-91 18775 <--> 18813
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: KEVIN KING
Sounds like that guy REALLY worked -- three separate 15-minute shows,
and then a 45-minute stage act? WOW!
Msg #18792 Dated 23:37:20 09-12-91 18782 <--> 18823
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
What happens at the Concord Hilton on the Wednesday Magic Nights?
Resturant magic, bar magic, a show or what? I don't get up there too
often, but maybe someday.
Msg #18793 Dated 23:39:26 09-12-91 18692 <--> 18814
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
Yeah. I feel that Bannon's performance may be disguising how clever
and wonderful a lot of his magic is. It's there in the books for all
to see.
Msg #18794 Dated 23:39:46 09-12-91 18785 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLASSIC
Ah, OK, well, if you wait 'til it is asleep, then that is a different
Bovine trick completely. For a minute there you hade me Buffaloed.
Msg #18795 Dated 23:40:40 09-12-91 18694 <--> 18815
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
No, I DIDN'
T know! Thought there might have been a big island outside of Music
City, and was wondering how the hay that was possible!
Msg #18797 Dated 23:43:11 09-12-91 18701 <--> 18828
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
You don't want to trade cars with me -- mines going on eleven
years-old! If you get to the lecture (that is what's in Sacramento,
orrect?), have a great time!
Msg #18798 Dated 23:46:28 09-12-91 18702 <--> 18799
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Biromonster:
Listen, in your last message you connect the need to provide more
information about the lectures with the convention audience's ignorance
about magic. WHAT?! Sure, most people know what David Ginn does, and
what kind of magic Dr. Jaks did, but there's more to it than that!
Lots of people don't want to sit through theory, only tricks, any maybe
some the other way around! Don't get cocky and assume that convention
attendees are stupid and THAT'S why they need the information! They
may just WANT it! So they don't have to sit thtough another BORING
lecture, not wanting to leave and be rude. Keeeerist, your impudence!
I'm telling my friend the President!
Msg #18799 Dated 23:50:28 09-12-91 18713 <--> 18824
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
When was the LAST time t'was in San Diego, if ever. You refered to SD
in your message, so I assumed there was a recent convention down there.
Msg #18803 Dated 1:17:04 09-13-91 18663 <--> 18812
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
When was he there, I think I missed it.
Msg #18805 Dated 1:17:28 09-13-91 18723 <--> 18833
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I'll leave it on all weekend, pleeeez send her to me. I gotta see
100 inch bazooms on a 24x36 base, sounds impossible.
Msg #18806 Dated 1:17:32 09-13-91 18728 <--> 18807
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
The lumps I took knocked the the other lumps I had (as in MagicLUMPen
and caused me to see the error of my ways. My entire attitude toward
magic has changed as a result of MAGIC!. I now consider myself a
magic-en (note the missing lump).
Msg #18807 Dated 1:17:39 09-13-91 18729 <--> 18834
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Please don't burst my smoke filled bubble. I thought you guys were
being nice, not your normal nasty selfs.
Msg #18808 Dated 1:17:44 09-13-91 -> 18835
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ER
Re: GOT YOUR TAPE MONDAY, THA
S
E
ALL
TEACHING/LEARNING MAGIC
I was over at the Anaheim library the other night doing some research
and ran across an interesting sentence.
.
"Magic is essentially an art and like other arts, it can learned but
it can not be taught." (Encyclopedia Brittanica)
.
After reflecting on the statement, I came to the following conclusion
Its means you can learn the mechanical aspects of an art from a teach
er, but you can not learn the art itself. The art has to come from
within. The art the teacher posesses is theirs and can never be yours
.
As a teacher, you may teach me a move or technique, but the artful
use of that move or technique has to come from me, it can not come
from the teacher.
.
Any comments ??
Msg #18809 Dated 1:18:17 09-13-91 18750 <--> 18810
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
We need a pack to ward off the kids that attack street magicians.
Msg #18810 Dated 1:18:21 09-13-91 18766 <--> 18836
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Sounds good, I have my coconuts & papayas (cups and balls) and 3 card
Jose, maybe even a cut and restored vine (in case we hit the amazon
circuit). How do you say, "Go way kid ya' bother me" in spanish or
portugese ?
Msg #18811 Dated 1:18:26 09-13-91 18778 <--> 18837
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Don't do it ! In my mind it is as magical as a dove-pan or square
circle. Any half-way intelligent person is going to know that the
chair you DON'T remove supports a hidden platform that 'appears' to
float the person.
.
Buy a zombie ball, they are cheaper and more magical.
.
(personal opinion - I know I'm going to get hammered on this one,
but so what ?)
.
PS: P&T do a chair suspension that is quite entertaining, but not
mystical - no one believes the lady is really balanced on her
neck, with her flowig hai as a counter balance.
Msg #18812 Dated 1:22:20 09-13-91 18788 <--> 18825
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Got your tape Monday, thanks. Good stuff. Several comments.
.
1- I think you should have been a little more emphatic concerning the
fact that you were presenting the effects with the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM
of performance and that THEY SHOULD PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE STORY
LINES. I'm afraid many people will copy the presentation exactly as
you did it, thinking they are PERFORMING.
.
2- I particuliarly liked the post effect explanations and the suggest
ions for directions a person might take the effect. If you could have
given a few thumbnail sketches of how a story or performance stategy
could be wrapped around the bassic effect, I think you would have
performed an even greater service to the art.
.
I found the tape to be very concise and to the point, and since I
prefer visual learning I thought it was very good.
.
I think this is a perfect use of video. In one hour I got to go thru
a lot of magic and pick out what appealed to me and perhaps use the
PRINCIPLES presented to develop my own routines around the excellant
ideas presented. It would have probably taken me a month of part-time
reading to get the same result.
.
Thanks - good job.
Msg #18813 Dated 5:17:33 09-13-91 18775 <--> 18826
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: KEVIN KING
Hi Steve,
I saw kevin do the same thing to the audience at Boots Randolf's
club in Nashville. The night I saw him there, he had just come in
from doing table magic at one of the swankier restaurants in Music
City. I really like the guy. He's a working pro and stays quite busy
doing magic and comedy.
Msg #18814 Dated 5:17:42 09-13-91 18793 <--> 18946
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
It's like singers and songwriters. The great singers respect the
great writers and viceversa.
Msg #18815 Dated 5:17:47 09-13-91 18795 <--> 18821
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Sounds like "The Big Island" oughta be the name of a bar in Music
City, like they need another excuse to drink.
Msg #18817 Dated 5:18:01 09-13-91 -> 18855
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: GONE
Am off to Music City for four days and will be back next week.
Msg #18819 Dated 5:51:57 09-13-91 -> 18839
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: NEW H&R LIST
On Sunday, I plan on uploading the new H&R list (#4). I'll try to
do it before noon, but don't hold me to it. It turns out this is going
to be a very busy weekend on the personal front, but I'll try. Richard
and I wish to thank everyone for their continued support. And let us
know your needs.
Charlie
Msg #18821 Dated 8:44:37 09-13-91 18779 <--> 18822
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yikes... it is impossible to give, over the phone, a substitute for
a move... If we were sitting around in a magic session I could show
you half a dozen variants.... uh.... do you belong to any kind of
a magic club? Go to a meeting and rap with someone that does a lot
of coin stuff.
I would need the context of the routine, the size of the coin,
what your style is... what kind of a natural look your hands have
when handling coins... IT AIN'T EASY... since coin handling is,
contrary to what others might thing, ART... it is very individual-
istic.
If you are talking about the Roth routine where you want to
drop the coin (indetectably) out of the shell -- I find the French
Drop position UN-NATURAL FOR ME, incedentallyk, you might trr
holding the coin at 90-degrees to that position IE: parallel to
the thumb (hand, arm parallel to your body) with fingers flat,
under coing -- you can let the coin drop out and into the finger
palm much easier in that grip.
Good luck... and remember this stuff isn't learned overnight,
or in a year either! Check the Bobo book for possible substitutes
as well.
Ah, Jade is coming by today.... I will show her the move that
I just described. If and when you see her at the Castle or the
Comedy Magic Club in Hermosa, ask her to show you what I showed
her today.
Msg #18822 Dated 8:45:04 09-13-91 18781 <--> 18867
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I assume Bill has recommended studying Jennings' Perigrinating Coins
... y'know... it is almost easier to just stop and think.
Say to yourself, "OK I have four coins. I want them to fly, one
at a time from hand to hand... now, with the moves and knowledge
that I ALREADY KNOW... how would I accomplish this?"
The first coin, in particular is a dead easy one, as no one
yet knows what you are going to do... so you can just get one ahead
tossing the coins from hand to hand.
A great handling to learn is known as the Kaps Subtlety. THis
does, however require a larger hand to coin ration (note I did not
say "large hands"). Kaps could do it with a Silver Dollar, I need
to do it with a Half, and Quarters are ok for smaller hands...
The SUBTELTY IS: You have a coin classic palmed. NOW hold the hand
palm out in front of you, angled downward. Fred's killer routine
was done kneeling (there was a reason to get into this position
based on a lead in effect) but when not Kneeling he did it standing
behind a table -- the fingertips nearly touch the table surface.
OK you and the spectators can see the coin in the classic palm.
This knowledge is what Kaps used to come up with this amazing item.
Now, with coin in classic palm -- somewhat favoring being up
toward the thumbheel muscle -- REVOLVE the hand SLIGHTLY INWARD (if
right hand anti/clockwise) NOT TOO FAR... NOW, THE KEY... move the
thumb only to the left, almost with its tip touching the tips of
the 3rd and Pinky....
If you are in the right position the thumb heel covers the
coin and the spectators THINK they see all the inside of the palm.
I know this is tuff to describe in word alone... will try to
show Jade... hope she can recall it all.... Maybe can give here a
sketch or polaroid pic.
Agian...good luck...
Msg #18823 Dated 8:45:37 09-13-91 18782 <--> 18827
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Scott: Every Wednesday? What time? What is actually happening? A
meeting, a friendly place to gather in the coffee shop? What?
Gotta know...
Msg #18824 Dated 8:45:43 09-13-91 18786 <--> 18829
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Nuttin' honey... Wells had suggested a lecture and I was only
following the orders of my superiors. We gotta talk.
Msg #18825 Dated 8:45:50 09-13-91 18788 <--> 18926
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Sometimes I don't even have to see the return address. Just if the
envelope is new, used, light, dark, comes via UPS, FEDEX or Snail
Mail.... argh ;-]
Msg #18826 Dated 8:45:56 09-13-91 18791 <--> 18945
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: KEVIN KING
That's only an hour-and-a-half. I used to put in 8 hours a day
pumping gas... Work!!!!!!!! Sheesh. Magi are so spoiled. I would
hire a close up guy, then tell him he had to do four shows a day
for three days and they go nuts... I said, HEY YOU EVER DO A REALLY
PROFESSIONAL GIG, LIKE A TRADE SHOW? you do maybe 40 repeats a day
then do two hours at night in the hospitality room. Get a LIFE!
Msg #18827 Dated 8:46:05 09-13-91 18792 <--> 18857
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
The Connie Hiltony is only a stone's throw (by phone) from my crib
here in Walnetto Creeque!
Msg #18828 Dated 8:46:11 09-13-91 18797 <--> 18950
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
My car is a company car from a company that is BROKE... the car
goes along and as soon as it is warmed up (10 minutes) and you go
over 40 MPH it jumps into passing gear (IE: 2nd gear) and stays
there. I gotta go almost to the engines RED LINE to do 60 MPH.
Took ALL DAY, PLUS to go from Long Beach to home up hiway 5 at
about 50 MPH with engine going full speed. Took three tanks of gas!
Estimate to fix about $1,000.00 which is what I ain't got! Argh.
Msg #18829 Dated 8:46:22 09-13-91 18798 <--> 18830
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
WHO....I SED 'some' DON'T KNOW WHO IS WHO....
I chatted with a number of folks (especially the younger ones)
at the last IBM and it was THEIR FIRST convention.... they had
hardly even been to a club meeting... had little or no books.
I was not referring to a large segment. But you would be
surprised how many AT A CONVENTION don't know much about the
people that perform and or lecture. They have seen thier pictures
and their names in magazines... but have not read their books
and don't know what kind of stuff they do.
Actually, IN THAT CASE, it would be WISE for the to see ALL THE
LECTURES and to absorb as much as they can.
Msg #18830 Dated 8:46:35 09-13-91 18798 <--> 18831
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Also It IS NOT rude to leave. If you just do it quietly, no fuss,
hey, they might think you are going to the john... be cool...
Msg #18831 Dated 8:46:41 09-13-91 18799 <--> 18840
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
We have held two, count 'em two, National IBM conventions in San
Diego. One was about three years ago, the other about six. I don't
have the dates to hand... but it wasn't extra recently... They were
two of the biggest crowds we have had... about 1,400+
Msg #18833 Dated 8:46:56 09-13-91 18805 <--> 18886
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
In these days of Illusion/surgery nuttin' is impossible...
Msg #18834 Dated 8:47:00 09-13-91 18806 <--> 18848
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I don't like the word MAGICALUMPEN. I think MagicalBumpkin might be
a good word. But, for the kind/type of person that Max uses the
LUMPEN on, I have always referred to (to myself and close
associates) as MAGILAYMEN. These are people that come to conventions
that have a casual interest in the inner stuff, LOVE TO SEE MAGIC,
but can be easily fooled, as they have not the PASSION to study all
the books, all the lecturers, etc.
This demographic section IS VITAL TO OUR ART... they are the
SUPERFANS the ones that will come see what we do. They are fun to
have in attendance, because when you come up with new and clever
stuff they react wonderfully.
A LUMPEN to me is someone that sits on a log. NO, BOSS, NOT LIKE
A FROG.... "KNEE DEEP" (thats what frogs say, not RIBIT...)
Msg #18835 Dated 8:47:16 09-13-91 18808 <--> 18928
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GOT YOUR TAPE MONDAY, THA
Well it looks like YOU are screwed!
Msg #18836 Dated 8:47:21 09-13-91 18809 <--> 18852
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Who attacks street magicians? I have not heard that one.
Msg #18837 Dated 8:47:26 09-13-91 18811 <--> 18854
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
OK, first the message is to me to 'DON'T DO IT' -- I don't no mo,
I sold mine. But, it is still a killer effect done properly.
If you ever saw Harbin do it... wowzo... Amazingly, Harbin only
had the gal "suspended" for THREE SECONDS.... I know, I checked it
out very carefully. Even Hired Harbin to do a show for a group I
was working with so I could be with him, study the trick and talk
about it with him.
.
But since you bring up the NO MYSTERY angle... let us put on our
thinking caps... let us think about how to make it DIFFERENT.
.
OK, lets say we .... (this is being thought of at this moment)...
uh, have a spectator, young, small kid... hold a magic wand under
the spectators feet. and say, I will make you strong enough to
hold up the lady at YOUR END just by using this magic wand. The
kid holds wand under ankles and can do it?
.
Or maybe you loop a string on a balloon around the ankles and
the helium balloon holds her up.... then at the end you cut the
string?
.
Ok there are two possible totally new ideas... boy are you ljucky
to have given me IMP, never could have done that online... too much
pressure to write and think fast online... hah
Msg #18839 Dated 8:48:03 09-13-91 18819 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: NEW H&R LIST
Do you still want the stuff? The car and the Topper? $75 takes all.
Let me know and give your address (add 3 for stamps). Bye and look
ing for your list. Did you find a Pavel book? If so, send and take
credit. Bye
Msg #18840 Dated 9:55:06 09-13-91 18830 <--> 18842
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Excuse me, but it IS RUDE to leave a lecture in mid-stream! It throws
the lecturer off-stride and it interferes with the attention of those
who are staying. It would be far more appropriate to know as much as
possible prior to the lecture and to cut down on the traffic in the
lecture.
Msg #18842 Dated 10:09:07 09-13-91 -> 18843
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Howard can tell you much more than me about how the magazine is
actually put together and what restrictions that imposes. Without
meaning to continue a discussion of limited interest, I might add
that postage concerns are also a factor in the number of pages or
weight of the magazine. There is a considerable imbalance in the
domestic and nondomestic postage costs. So much, in fact, that the
much smaller number of nondomestic mailings cost as much or more than
the domestic postage. The greater the weight, the greater this
imbalance becomes. The difference in postage costs poses a somewhat
sensitive issue for the I.B.M. and the use of a surcharge to deal
with this has not been universially popular by any means.
Msg #18843 Dated 10:09:46 09-13-91 -> 18844
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I give you full permission to put the convention program on video
tape if you wish....
Just so you (and others) don't think I am being "flip" with the
magicians don't read comment, it comes from the exerience of dealing
with convention registrations and the inquiries each year that always
seem to ask you about something that was just in the Linking Ring ad
or in an article. I guess I should be a bit more specific and say
"most I.B.M. members don't read written materials on the convention".
Speaking of videos and conventions...the one use of this medium that
I was most interested in implementing at the St. Louis Convention in
1990 but was unable due to insufficient time and manpower, was the
use of the hotel in-house movie channel to show NHK tapes of past IBM
conventions in the hotel rooms. Maybe I will get another chance at
another convention site one year. This same approach could be used
for viewing a lecture in your room, close up show, or other conventio
n activities.
Msg #18844 Dated 10:10:18 09-13-91 -> 18847
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yes...I believe all 18 of Karrell's I.B.M. lectures have featured
different material.
Msg #18846 Dated 10:10:36 09-13-91 18383 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: PINS
That's interesting...I didn't know Jerry had gone "big time" and was
having the pins made in Korea. He used to carry bunches of them in
his coat pockets and using a jeweler's lens that was in his regular
glasses, work on them during any spare moment he got. I can recall
the damn things being all over my apartment during one of his visits.
Glad you were able to get them.
Msg #18847 Dated 10:10:52 09-13-91 -> 18850
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I am about to call Bluffton and check this out. I think that you are
correct in saying that it is the same Harry Houdini that works for
Melinda. The headquarters office often uses my name as a sponsor
when they receive applications from people who do not live near other
magicians or who forget to list the sponsors. I don't know this
gentlemen, but will inquire about the information on his application
in order to determine if it is the fellow you are talking about. I
am probably more impressed at his being a grandson of Hardeen than
the fact he changed his name to that of his great uncle.
Msg #18848 Dated 10:11:18 09-13-91 -> 18851
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I would be happy to tell you. It was a board called Argen in
Northern Virginia. It is still in existance but not very active.
The board really had very little to do with it. There was another
person on the board whose husband was a magician and who knew me from
years ago. She recognized my name and mentioned it Becki. Renewal
of that older friendship with she and her magician husband led to
meeting Becki and so on. It was NOT one of these adult boards or
dating boards!
Msg #18850 Dated 10:11:47 09-13-91 -> 18858
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
You mean moving to another lecture is a move in your lecture notes?
...or that you have a routine on hitting nails on your head?
Msg #18851 Dated 10:12:00 09-13-91 -> 18862
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Evan, are you saying that my comment to Tabby Crabb that he is one of
Msg #18852 Dated 10:15:24 09-13-91 18809 <--> 18853
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
I never did get more info on that story that Max furnished about the
busker being attacked (Nick Nicolas, I believe). I had placed a call
to Nova Scotia, but they were already gone for the day. Later that
evening I was with an Associated Press editor and he was going to run
a check and let me know, so I quit tryin', only he never came thru.
Msg #18853 Dated 10:20:33 09-13-91 18810 <--> 18869
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Well, if we REALLY headed South, we could eventually do an act for the
science crowd in Antartica and there are no kids there! Hmmm....
National Science Foundation must have some money for such a trip -
boost morale and all that. I think that during the Summer down there
they have several thousand scientists, so it could be a pretty big
show.
Msg #18854 Dated 10:25:16 09-13-91 18837 <--> 18906
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Yes, Pete, IMP! is BEST when one gives thoughtful consideration to
really strong messages - like the one I'm responding to - and really
isn't intended just to produce one-liners.
Your two suspension ideas are KILLERS. The balloon one really grabs
me - a really GREAT idea! Visual as all get out. That was the sort of
message that makes MAGIC! really worthwhile!
Msg #18855 Dated 10:32:46 09-13-91 18817 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GONE
Hey, Tab - we missed you around here! Hope you knocked 'em dead in
Music City!
Msg #18857 Dated 10:36:22 09-13-91 18827 <--> 19098
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Yeah - I know that the Concord Hilton is near you. Guess I'll just
have to settle for being a stone's throw from the Castle.
Msg #18858 Dated 10:39:06 09-13-91 18842 <--> 18859
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Thanks for the info on the Linking Ring. Yeah, postage is a killer.
I once did a large mailing and the printer ran out of the 20-lb. paper
I was using for one page, so he subbed in 22-lb. for about 1/2 of 'em.
We were sending one 8-1/2 x 5-1/2 sheet of this particular page in each
envelope. Suddenly, 1/2 the mailing came back because we were
TWENTY-TWO ONE THOUSANDTHS of an ounce over! It was not a fun
afternoon.
Msg #18859 Dated 10:43:14 09-13-91 18843 <--> 18860
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Whenever you are dealing with 1500 people, it is staggering to discover
the number that won't read the program or be able to find the rooms or
a zillion other things. Per the video-note conversation, one of the
things we commonly failto take into consideration is the fact that
different folks have different senses or "channels" that are most
effective for them. I read a lot, but for some things I'm a better
listener - I have sometimes had people put proposals on audio tape
because I could really focus on them that way. Different strokes for
different folks.
The idea of having the NHK tapes on the in-house hotel channel is
SUPERB. Since any room can tune to the channel though, I don't know
about viewing a lecture in the room - unless you use pay-per-view or
something!
Msg #18860 Dated 10:48:04 09-13-91 18844 <--> 18864
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I've never seen Karrell do the same thing twice. He is one of a small
crowd that do an incredible job at being an MC, as well as being able
to do a show or lecture.
Msg #18862 Dated 10:54:41 09-13-91 -> 18863
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Evan, are you saying that my comment to Tabby Crabb that he is
one of the reasons I find the original bad vibes message
difficult to understand is "backslapping"? If that's what you
call backslapping, then let me say that I am very proud to
backslap Tabby Crabb because I consider it an honor to know him
regardless of this board of this board or you. I feel I am
fortunate to consider him a friend.
.
What in that message to Tabby suggests that I am ignoring David's
message? The very fact I am responding to Tabby's message about
David's message contradicts your statement. Did you
misunderstand my remark to David about not liking my use of the
abbreviation "BBS" and think I was somehow impling his bad vibes
message should be ignored? Well, you are dead wrong, mister. I
have been very concerned about David's message and have exchanged
messages with him privately about the concerns and suggested
possible resolutions, one of which I think David is likely to
implement. I have also made a couple of phone calls about that
message.
.
Where do you get off with the "rose colored glasses" comment?
It is a FACT that this is one of the friendliest bulletin boards
I have ever signed onto. Whatever problems you seem to have with
this board don't mean that I am wearing rose colored glasses if I
don't share those problems. I suggest you ask David if he thinks
I have in any way "invalidated" his message.
.
Finally, what is your basis for saying this is a "WIDELY REPORTED
problem..." Neither David's message, private communications with
David, nor a review of the message base for the past six months
supports your statement. I note that others have also questioned
this being a major problem and you seem to be trying to talk each
of them into believing it is.
.
I regret posting a message like this. It is the first time that
a message on this board has made me angry. I waited overnight
before writing a response, but I am still angry when I reread
#18423. You seem to be hell bent on making this bad vibes
business into a major problem even if it means twisting the
positive comments of others into something negative. You also
seem to be the only user who has responded in this fashion to
David's original message.
.
Evan...if you have some personal problem with me or my views on
this board then lets discuss it in private and get it over with.
My participation in this bulletin board is primarily a
recreational activity on my part. I have no interest in fighting
with anyone or being accused of saying and doing things which I
am not doing. If this is an example of the kind of board you
want, then count me out.
Apparently you feel the board was much better when you first
joined and I am beginning to think you might consider my coming
onto to the board as one of the factors you don't care for. The
board did fine before I was here and I am sure it can do fine if
I leave or stop corresponding in the public message base. I have
far too many other committments to waste time on innane arguments
or petty grips of small minded people.
.
I hope we have both gotten our two cents in. Now lets put a halt
to this crap. Lets clear the air here and get back to what I and
a lot of other people apparently think is a very healthy board.
Msg #18863 Dated 10:56:52 09-13-91 -> 18874
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Evan...I think you should reread my message #18366 to you. You
seem to be reading a considerable amount of hostility of some
sort into what I said. I wasn't attacking you. In fact, I
started out by agreeing with you on the need for new members. I
have been talking to David about that concern for some time as I
feared the subscription fee would keep new users away from the
board. I still think the fee will be a major obstacle to new
members and in fact may be one reason we seem to have lost a
number of the newer members in the past few weeks.
I also said I didn't think you had said the main purpose of the
board was to teach magic to beginners, but rather than certain of
your comments made me feel you were implying that to be a primary
purpose. If you go back and read #18165 you will see that your
main points were "new blood", "newcomers", "distribution of
knowledge...should be our first concern...", "...be generous with
knowledge and patience." and so forth. If I was incorrect in
assuming that a newcomer to the board meant something other than
beginner in magic than I was wrong. At any rate, I certainly
don't see the need to throw words and phrases like "loud mouths",
"ugly words", and "pervasive snobbery" into what I thought was a
friendly discussion about the purpose and nature of this board.
The tone of your message is certainly not in line with the
comments you made regarding how you think folks should behave on
this board. In fact, since you were trying to claim some guilt
for some of the concerns you discussed, I thought I was saying to
you that you shouldn't feel guilty because I for one at least
didn't think the concerns voiced to David reflected the real
situation on this board.
I mentioned the Ricky Jay thing because Pete had already
mentioned it in another message related to the bad vibes
discussion and because somebody (I don't remember whom) had in
fact posted a message asking for details on Ricky's method of
performing the effect. I know Ricky well enough to know how he
feels about these things and I can assure you that he would not
want his methods discussed or being used by anyone. I thought
the response to the request for info on Ricky's method might have
been one of the reasons behind David's message.
Ricky's method is not in print, so citing appropriate texts
doesn't cover what he does. Personally, I don't feel that use of
the Erdnase "patter" is appropriate since it is so identified
with Ricky.
Finally, I am not reading any fears into anything with it comes
to sharing. I have devoted a great portion of my life to sharing
magic with others and I believe my activities both past and
present will stand for themselves with regard to that question
and without further discussion here. I did NOT say that MAGIC!
should not be for newcomers. I said "I do not feel that the main
purpose of this board is to serve as a forum for magic newcomers
to learn about magic." The next sentence went on to say "I
believe that magic beginners CAN learn about magic here..."
Clearly the learning of information about magic can be a
subsidiary purpose.
.
I think it best for the board if we simply drop this entire
discussion and move on to other things. I had no intention of
offending you or upsetting you with my response. I think the
tone of your reply is a bit unnecessary and that nothing will be
gained from a continuation of this discussion between the two of
us.
Somehow, I think in all of this that we are striving for the same
goal...lets focus on that rather than what seems to be some sort
of misunderstanding or personal peeve.
S
Er;18441
I did not give any additional information. At the time, the
lecturer had been featuring in the M.U.M., and a number of other
magazines
as well as appearing at collectors functons. His lecture was
fairly well known within the magic community.
S
Er;18450
I dunno...if we have to pay for an extra microphone at the back
of the room, it might be too dear a price to pay.
Msg #18864 Dated 11:11:52 09-13-91 -> 18865
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I did not give any additional information. At the time, the
lecturer had been featuring in the M.U.M., and a number of other
magazines
as well as appearing at collectors functions. His lecture was
fairly well known within the magic community.
Msg #18865 Dated 11:12:10 09-13-91 -> 18868
From: BILL WELLS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I dunno...if we have to pay for an extra microphone at the back
of the room, it might be too dear a price to pay.
Msg #18867 Dated 11:46:51 09-13-91 -> 18876
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Are they hostile to frogs in Boliva?
Msg #18868 Dated 11:47:00 09-13-91 -> 18873
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
That sounds interesting...I have never seen a magic lecturer use
an overhead projector. Was it an opaque projector?
Msg #18869 Dated 11:47:10 09-13-91 -> 18882
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Without a doubt the spectators would have great difficulty
focusing on Bob. I HAVE seen the picture.
Msg #18870 Dated 11:47:19 09-13-91 -> 18901
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
At least it sounds as if Nathan is working on his own. Mine seem
to get involved in stuff that also demands my involvement...like
being a baseball and soccer coach, assistant cub master, etc.
Maybe they need Pete to help with their acts. The boys did do
a brief magic act for the cub pack earlier this year. George
was thrilled to meet the man who invented the vanishing candle
at the IBM convention in Baltimore and Fantasio was very nice
to him.
Msg #18871 Dated 11:47:38 09-13-91 18500 <--> 18878
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Actually, this fellow is for real as I am sure you saw by the
other David's message. Houdini was his great uncle.
Msg #18873 Dated 11:47:59 09-13-91 18504 <--> 18885
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
What's this? A write in campaign for TA at SLC?
Msg #18874 Dated 11:48:09 09-13-91 18505 <--> 18875
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I figured you would. Jerry is certainly calling the shots right
on this one as far as I am concerned.
Msg #18875 Dated 11:48:19 09-13-91 18506 <--> 18911
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
You don't need to explain it to me. The key is you both
laughted. Either that or I need to start using my right hand.
Msg #18876 Dated 11:48:29 09-13-91 18517 <--> 18879
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I thought that stuff was a thing of your past....but if you are
gonna do it again, you could call 'em the Tennessee
Volunteers...or has
somebody already used that?
Msg #18877 Dated 11:48:38 09-13-91 18518 <--> 19268
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
With all the potential going and coming to lectures, the holy
city, and so forth, yell if you pass within a few blocks or miles
and maybe we can grab a cup of coffee and plan a quick visit.
Msg #18878 Dated 11:48:50 09-13-91 18519 <--> 18902
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Does that mean things could get wurst?
(sorry..couldn't resist)
Msg #18879 Dated 11:49:00 09-13-91 18520 <--> 18887
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Actually, we have already started the first moves towards doing
that although it is one helluva job to do something like that
long distance. We had a great local man last time and I don't
know if we could get him again. It was a great one there in '83.
Msg #18880 Dated 11:49:15 09-13-91 18521 <--> 18883
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
You bring back memories of when I was a kid on the farm and used
to come in and watch the field hands eat. They always dipped the
pone in the Pot Likker. But the thing I really admired was the
way they sloshed the hot coffee into the saucer and then sipped it
from there.
Msg #18881 Dated 11:49:28 09-13-91 18522 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW MAGAZINE
I remember when flying used to really be fun I still try to
book early enough to get an aisle seat so I got room on one side.
Anymore a plane is about the only place I get to read without a
lot of interruptions. I just wish the food was as good as it
used to be (I used to think it was bad then...if only I knew).
Msg #18882 Dated 11:49:45 09-13-91 18523 <--> 18889
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIX
Is Robert back from Europe? I thought he was doing street magic
over there for awhile.
Msg #18883 Dated 11:49:57 09-13-91 18525 <--> 18888
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
In case he tries to play dumb, it was the chop routine with the
cocktail shaker in the little portable bar case that opened out
into a close up pad. He used fake cherries instead of balls.
Another great effect you could ask about is the "snatch
card"...but I think he might have explained that one to you
the night you and Charlie were over there with me.
Msg #18884 Dated 11:50:13 09-13-91 18526 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HUNDRED DOLLAR THREAD
No sweat, let me know if YOU ever get interested in Ramsay.
Msg #18885 Dated 11:50:21 09-13-91 18570 <--> 18891
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Actually, I used to like the Raiders until they played the Skins
in the Super Bowl. I really liked 'em when they had the Snake.
Didn't know Plunkett was your neighbor. What is he doing now?
How come you didn't become the Raider's team photographer?
Msg #18886 Dated 11:50:38 09-13-91 18572 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS - DAY 4
I am not sure I could handle 'em in full color. You mean this is
really a live person. I can't imagine how she could move around.
Msg #18887 Dated 11:50:47 09-13-91 18573 <--> 18892
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I would stay on the side opposite Hilo. It is a lot dryer over
there and the volcano is at the other end.
Msg #18888 Dated 11:50:57 09-13-91 18574 <--> 18904
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
No...it is a cooking clique.
Msg #18889 Dated 11:51:04 09-13-91 18575 <--> 18900
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
No...he would only be close to one side.
Msg #18891 Dated 11:51:39 09-13-91 18601 <--> 18895
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
No...the Jaks lecture was in San Diego in 1989. It was strictly
a lecture on the history and props of Jaks. No performance or
methods whatsoever. Beautiful slides..otherwise somewhat
limited.
Msg #18892 Dated 11:51:54 09-13-91 18781 <--> 18898
From: BILL WELLS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
It is one if not the best use of a shell in doing a coins across
in my humble opinion. Let me know if you need references and I
will find 'em for you.
Msg #18893 Dated 11:53:03 09-13-91 -> 18905
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
That "Roanoke" threw me....Roanoke island didn't make it...Try
Jamestown!
Msg #18894 Dated 11:54:07 09-13-91 -> 18922
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Will you offer clippings or lecture notes for "Legerdemain Lecture on
the Lawn"?
Msg #18895 Dated 12:33:59 09-13-91 18868 <--> 18896
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
It was an overhead, not an opaque, projector. Same as the one I used
for the MAGIC! sessions at DMS and in Baltimore. As a matter of fact,
I performed the same effect last night using the overhead projector and
it went VERY WELL.
As to the use of an overhead in a magic lecture, it would depend a
great deal on how it was being done and who was doing it. I suspect
th it would not serve as an improvement in most magic lectures.
Msg #18896 Dated 12:38:05 09-13-91 18873 <--> 18909
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
If it is a write-in campaign for TA at SLC, then add my name to the
list of those writting in.
Msg #18898 Dated 12:59:13 09-13-91 18867 <--> 18899
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I think it is the natives of the Amazon Basin who are hostile to Frogs.
Actually, not hostile, but they put them to some uses that I would
prefer not to discuss.
My reference to "death defying" delt with the wrath certain people
might exhibit if the information concerning the Chinese troup's visit to
Bolivia was tipped.
I'm told that all will become clear to everyone once the research is
completed. And I'm told that completion and the release of the full
story will occur fairly soon.
Msg #18899 Dated 13:05:00 09-13-91 18887 <--> 18947
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The other end is called Kona. Home of some of the finest coffee in the
world. I conducted a seminar in Hilo once - with folks from
California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Guam, Samoa and the Trust
Territories of the Pacific. It was one heck of a meeting!
For one thing, the hotels there, as opposed to those in Honolulu, never
have meetings, seminars or conventions, so they have no mechanism for
dealing with them. We were set up as a "tour" and I was on their books
as "tour director." This meant that they felt it was wise to pass
every scrap of info about my "tour group" on to me - I was kept
constantly informed of who ordered lunch, who had late night visitors
in their room, etc. And, at one point, they told my boss that he had
to have my approval to change rooms (he was not the sort that thought
it was funny).
One of the finest evenings I spent in my life occurred during that
meeting. Anita and I ended up talking to the representative from
Ponape. He was a very bright fellow who had been educated by Catholic
missionaries and had gone on to get a Bachelor's and Master's from U.S.
colleges. He told us the story of how he had fallen in love with a
girl from Truk (another island in the Territories, one who's natives
are known for being war-like and hostile). Her parents refused to
consider a husband from Ponape so, one night, he and some buddies went
over to Truk in a canoe and they eloped! From his description, it was
quite something, as the boys on Truk knew he would try it and were out
after him! He said that no matter what other accomplishments he had
made in his life (he was pretty high up in the local government), he
was always treated with respect because he was "the boy who stole the
girl from Truk."
At the end of several hours of this incredibly enchanting tale, he
sighed and said, "Someday I'm going to write a book." I smiled and
said, "It's already been done." "Oh!" he said, "Who did it?"
"Shakespeare," I said, "It is called Romeo and Juliette!" He said,
"Never heard of him!" And he meant it!
Msg #18900 Dated 13:20:48 09-13-91 18869 <--> 18919
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
It sounds like the spectators would have trouble FINDING Bob!
Msg #18901 Dated 13:22:15 09-13-91 18870 <--> 19175
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I am certain that he will rope me into the baseball, soccer, etc.
later. Already, we have to get him to school and back and he is
beginning to suggest that his friends come over, so it is only a matter
of time. He just has been too busy yet to figure out how to make the
transportation system wor or hm.
sg #18902 Dated 13:24:44 09-13-91 18871 <--> 18918
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Bill - the IOOB was also real! I'd heard about this guy, I don't know
if his claim to family is true or not - but it sounds like you've
checked it out. Frankly, I was a bit concerned to find out that IBM
would create a sponsor for someone - I had always assumed that the
sponsorship requirement was real, especially since the names do go in
LR with the candidate's name.
Msg #18904 Dated 13:29:45 09-13-91 18880 <--> 18923
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Bill -
You just knocked me out! I hadn't thought about my father sloshing his
coffee into the saucer until you mentioned it! Geeeeeez, did a ton of
memories just come back with a THUMP!
Msg #18905 Dated 13:33:17 09-13-91 18893 <--> 19179
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
I figured you'd get the Roanoke reference - but yeah, the idea WAS that
Roanoke didn't make it! That would place the Tab, with the tatoo, in
a very unique position indeed! Besides, weren't you the one who
claimed his shoes needed to be big because his roots were so deep?
Msg #18906 Dated 16:38:08 09-13-91 18778 <--> 18914
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Thanks Pete. Since John Gaughan is local I
will give him a call. I'll also make an appointment
with TA and see what the Harbin book has to say.
Msg #18909 Dated 17:11:05 09-13-91 18840 <--> 18910
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I don't agree here. I think a lecturer is working at a different
pace than an act in a theatrical setting and if someone gets up
and leaves... a good lecturer will either not notice it, or in my
case might make capital of it.
Msg #18910 Dated 17:11:14 09-13-91 18847 <--> 18913
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
You might find out more about him from Geno Munari... he and Geno
are acquainted. I met him one time.
Msg #18911 Dated 17:11:26 09-13-91 18848 <--> 18916
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I knew it wasn't 'ONE OF THOSE' boards... I thought it might have
had to do with computer use/software etc., as both you and Becki
are at the cutting edge of the technology (at least Becki is!)
Msg #18913 Dated 17:11:38 09-13-91 18850 <--> 18915
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Nails in the forehead. Where else? Coby does 'em up the nose!
Msg #18914 Dated 17:11:43 09-13-91 18854 <--> 18934
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Yep MAGIC! IS WORTHWILE.... even when it is only crap online. One
should read all think and learn and be merry.
Msg #18915 Dated 17:11:48 09-13-91 18860 <--> 18917
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
That is because you have probably only seen Karrell once!
Msg #18916 Dated 17:11:56 09-13-91 18862 <--> 18954
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Right... clear the air and fill it with more good crap!
Msg #18917 Dated 17:12:02 09-13-91 18868 <--> 18920
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
No you couldn't see through it.
Msg #18918 Dated 17:12:07 09-13-91 18871 <--> 19176
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Fantasio invented the vanishing candle? Foo, I guess the Merv
Taylor one I had invented itself.
Msg #18919 Dated 17:12:13 09-13-91 18882 <--> 18929
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRIX
My sources tell me that the Sheetman is on home soil.
Msg #18920 Dated 17:12:18 09-13-91 18885 <--> 18925
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Gee I never thought of taking the job. I was the Hockey Team photog
and Albo was the team Doc... and we knew each other for two
seasons BEFORE EITHER OF US MET MAGICALLY... funny...
I saw Plunk doing tv locally the other nite. He used to play wtih
his sisters kids out front of the house... bu I never butt in
and didnd't get to know him.
Msg #18922 Dated 17:12:42 09-13-91 18894 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS
Clippings, by the bagfull... aha
Msg #18923 Dated 17:12:49 09-13-91 18904 <--> 18935
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
My dad used a deep saucer, almost like a low cereal bowl! God, is
nothing original?
Msg #18925 Dated 21:00:56 09-13-91 18865 <--> 18931
From: T A WATERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
All that extra cord...
Msg #18926 Dated 21:02:29 09-13-91 18803 <--> 18927
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
More than a decade ago.
Msg #18927 Dated 21:03:13 09-13-91 18812 <--> 18960
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Thanks for the kind words -- but you do put a chill into my heart at
the notion that anyone might think I was PERFORMING on the video. It is
a whole different thing. As you note, I did give a few suggestions but
didn't want to be too specific.
Msg #18928 Dated 21:09:35 09-13-91 18808 <--> 18944
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GOT YOUR TAPE MONDAY, THA
When I first started my acting work in New York I worked with a very
good acting coach named Jack Manning. The first thing he said was, "I
can't teach you how to be an actor; nobody can. If you don't have it
inside no one is going to be able to put it there. What I CAN do is to
teach you the techniques that will help to bring whatever is in there
out to where your audience can see it."
I thought that made a lot of sense then -- and still does.
Msg #18929 Dated 21:11:40 09-13-91 18809 <--> 18962
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
Yeah -- teach 'em to attack mimes.
Msg #18931 Dated 21:46:42 09-13-91 18909 <--> 18932
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Even if you capitalize on it, you are still disrupting your lecture,
the audience's train of thought, etc. I know that getting up and
leaving a lecture is done, particularly at conventions, but if good
pre-lecture information decreased the number of people doing it, then
I would say that is for the good.
Msg #18932 Dated 21:49:27 09-13-91 18915 <--> 18933
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I have seen Karrel Fox more times than I have fingers to count on. I
think he is both a talented performer and a consumate MC - he does a
nice job between the acts, and is able to fill time, when necessary, in
an entertaining manner, and he always seems able to take the stage
without taking it away from the acts.
Msg #18933 Dated 21:52:16 09-13-91 18925 <--> 18969
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I'm sure I could loan you a wireless mike, T A. That way, you wouldn't
even have to be in the same room.
Msg #18934 Dated 21:53:40 09-13-91 18914 <--> 18963
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Thanks for the kudos regarding MAGIC! I will say that this place does
keep me reading, thinking, and learning. As to being merry - that
depends.
Msg #18935 Dated 21:56:09 09-13-91 18923 <--> 18978
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I don't think our saucers were that deep, so it is possible that your
dad invented a legitimate variation.
Msg #18939 Dated 23:33:36 09-13-91 18683 <--> 19272
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF FOR ACT
COOL! Just give em a shout when you get something together.
Msg #18944 Dated 0:09:19 09-14-91 18808 <--> 18961
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GOT YOUR TAPE MONDAY, THA
The difference between "art" and "craft" has always intrigued me,
especially working in a medium (film and TV) that has always been
accused of being more of the former than the latter.
I take the evolutionary position. That you can turn your craft into an
art when you: A) Master the craft, then; B) Apply your own inner self,
BRING something to it. I'm not sure how this relates/applies to people
who have a natural "talent" for something. Who can pick up a pen and
just draw a beautiful picture without training. Are they artists by
virtue of some hardwired talent? Dunno.
Msg #18945 Dated 0:14:26 09-14-91 18826 <--> 19000
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KEVIN KING
If you are implying that pumping gas is as arduous as performing, I
think there might be some who would disagree...
Msg #18946 Dated 0:14:52 09-14-91 18814 <--> 19273
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
Some of the great singers respect the great writers. Some just "cut
in." Right?
Msg #18947 Dated 0:18:22 09-14-91 18899 <--> 18951
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Let me know if you are serious about fine gourmet coffee. If so, we
have to talk. I may be about to make your life just that more special.
Msg #18948 Dated 0:17:52 09-14-91 -> 18964
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
ANNOUNCING
***************************
* *
* TWO MAGIC!(tm) EVENTS *
* *
***************************
MAGIC! plans to kick off October - a magical month - with TWO
get-togethers - one in Pasadena, California and the other in Las
Vegas, Nevada . . .
***************
* *
* MAX MAVEN *
* *
***************
MAGIC! member MAX MAVEN rarely appears on the American stage.
The evening of OCTOBER 6th, 1991, will be one of those rare
appearances. MAX will be performing on the stage of the Ice House
in Pasadena, California. If you've dreamed of seeing MAX perform,
this is your chance. And we'd like to put together a group of
MAGIC! members to share the experience. The performance is at
9 p.m. and reservations need to be made far in advance. MAGIC!
members will, of course, pay their own way and provide their own
transportation (car pools can be figured out on-line). If you want
to be a part of the MAGIC! evening you MUST notify the sysop by a
messge here, no later than 11:59 P.M. Pacific Time on SATURDAY,
SEPTEMBER 21st. If you want to see MAX MAVEN and have an enjoyable
evening with MAGIC! members, MAKE YOUR RESERVATION NOW.
****************
* *
* LANCE BURTON *
* *
****************
On the evening of WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 9th a group of MAGIC! members
will be in LAS VEGAS for the late show with LANCE BURTON. The group
will include PETE BIRO and TABBY CRABB! This should be a unique
evening and it is quite possible (although not guaranteed) that
LANCE will join us for coffee after the show!
Each MAGIC! member will be responsible for his or her own expenses,
including a ticket to the show and a tip to the Maitre d', but Pete
is working on getting us VIP seating as a group. Tickets to the
show are $ 15, the tip should be around $ 5. If you are planning to
stay over, you will need to make arrangements at your favorite
hotel. And if you make AIRLINE RESERVATIONS on or before SEPTEMBER
17th, you should be able to get a $ 58 ROUND TRIP from Burbank, Los
Angeles, and possibly other cities. Burbank/Las Vegas is served by
American West and SouthWest airlines, Los Angeles is served by the
same two and Delta. Here are some FARECODES to check:
BURBANK LOS ANGELES
AMERICA WEST MO21NR MO21NR
DELTA - L21WNR
SOUTHWEST MX21NR or MW21NR MX21NR or MW21NR
Certain travel restrictions apply, including 21-day advance
ticketing - consult your airline or travel agent for full
details.
If you wish to be a part of this exciting evening with LANCE BURTON
you MUST notify the sysop by a message here, no later than 11:59
P.M. Pacific Time on SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 21st. MAKE YOUR
RESERVATION NOW!
These two events are a great chance for MAGIC! members to get
together, to meet each other, and to see MAX MAVEN and LANCE BURTON
perform. Join us for these exciting evenings of MAGIC!
Msg #18950 Dated 0:25:19 09-14-91 18828 <--> 18980
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
For $1,000, you can put a "down" on a little used Japanese car, and pay
off the rest. Sounds like that car's gonna cost you more than
replacing it.
Msg #18951 Dated 0:25:29 09-14-91 18947 <--> 19002
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Definitely interested in talking about fine gourmet coffee. Have only
found two places where the coffee suits me - Hilo and France. Neither
one translates well over here and most of the fancy stuff I've seen is
merely coffee in yuppie packages and at yuppie prices. Closest thing
I've been able to find to good coffee is MJB European Roast. So if you
got good stuff, I'm all ears and taste buds!
Msg #18954 Dated 0:53:36 09-14-91 18862 <--> 18955
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Bill--
Anything in my message that seemed a personal attack was completely
unintended. we have obviously needlessly personalized an issue that
has, to my knowledge, no deep-rooted personal significance for either
of us, other than that we are both concerned about the board. I
assume that the phrases "small-minded people" and "petty gripes" do not
apply specifically to any one person, but were rather an expression of
your frustation at the way these discussions can get out of hand, on
occasion. If there is anything I can do to further clarify that my
message to you was meant as firm argument, and not personal criticism,
please let me know. Otherwise, I will assume that you, like myself,
regret that any offenses were taken.
P.S -- You didn't REALLY call me "Mister," did you?
Msg #18955 Dated 0:59:28 09-14-91 18863 <--> 19180
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Thank you for your efforts in bringing down the heat here. I suspect,
as you probably do, that there is not really anything to argue about
here. Concur?
Msg #18958 Dated 1:36:12 09-14-91 -> 18965
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: KAPSKAPSKAPSKAPSKAPS
Come on David......
.
Surpise us... and shine up our cloudy weekend here in Holland with
some nice Kaps letters.
Pete...last letter we got was dated 14 jan 74 but I remember this
was send by you, last we got from David files was 15 september 77,
and before that 21 sept 76.
.
wewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewant
ewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantk
wantkap wa apswewa ewantk kaps pswewantka
antkaps a apswewa aps antka ewa apsw ntkapswewantkap
ntkapsw pswewa apswe tkap wan pswe wewantkaps
tkapswe tk wewan kaps swewantka ewantkapsw
kapswew kap want swewa apsw ntkapswewantkap wantkapswe
apswewa apsw ntk wewan pswe tkap wewan antkapswew
pswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewa
swewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewantkapswewan
Msg #18960 Dated 1:41:12 09-14-91 18927 <--> 18990
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I think you may have hit on a new way to present magic via video.
Give a neutral presentation of the technical and theoretical parts
of an effect and THEN just a few ideas of HOW these ideas might be
worked into a full performance. It gets the viewer thinking about
how he/she might utilize the trick part to their OWN best advantage.
.
So many videos are done with the performer's ACTUAL method of
presenting the effect, and the viewer may NEVER CONSIDER ANY OTHER
ALTERNATIVE. They end up never giving it any thought they JUST END
UP CLONING the other guys material, and that's what we have all been
griping about.
Msg #18961 Dated 1:41:23 09-14-91 18944 <--> 18991
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: GOT YOUR TAPE MONDAY, THA
Most people with this innate talent go to even greater heights when
they are taught different skills which they can magnify with their
inner abilities. It's the inner ability that provides the art to the
mechanical process of perferting the craft.
.
Anyone can learn the craft of magic, it takes inner ability to add
the art. Its true in all the arts, the ones with true artistic
ability in a given field true craft into an art form. How many
magicians do you know that are expert craftsmen and lousy artists ?
Msg #18962 Dated 1:41:32 09-14-91 18853 <--> 18966
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Interested you should mention Antartica - just finished listening
to Von Williams 7th Symphony - Symphony Antartica. Do you know it ?
Msg #18963 Dated 1:41:37 09-14-91 18837 <--> 18977
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Great minds must think alike. I worked with a guy from OCMC that does
illusions at the Orange County Fair last year and he has one of those
goofy-cheepo chairs. It's so wobbly his 'hypnotized' assistant has
white knuckles all the time she is suspended. I suggested he tie
a balloon around her feet to give some alternative solution as to
why she was 'floating' and not just being levered off the stationary
chair.
.
He didn't get it ! I said the act would be much stronger if he left
the suspension out as it really was weak. He said, "I can't I paid
$ 300 for the chair, and I want to get my money's worth." What a
jerk. After being roped into doing three shows, I vowed never to
work as part of anyone else's act. I must say IT WAS a learning
experience.
Msg #18964 Dated 1:41:50 09-14-91 18948 <--> 18967
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
Count me in for Pasadena the 6th. What time ? Are you going to make
a group reservation or do we each do our own ?
.
What are the flight times for Vegas, for $ 58 it's well worth it.
Msg #18965 Dated 1:48:53 09-14-91 18958 <--> 18993
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: KAPSKAPSKAPSKAPSKAPS
OK, OK, Arnaud - Will try to get something done this weekend. Really.
Msg #18966 Dated 1:50:44 09-14-91 18962 <--> 18994
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIX
No, I'm not familiar with Von Williams 7th - Symphony Antartica. Would
like to hear it though - could you fax it to me?
Msg #18967 Dated 1:53:14 09-14-91 18964 <--> 18995
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
I will plan to make a group reservation for the MAX MAVEN show on
October 6th. I -THINK- that Pete wants individuals to make their own
reservations for the Oct. 9th show, but hopefully he will append a
confirm or directions to this message.
I don't have the LAX flight times, but my present plan is to leave out
of Burbank on American West flight 529, leaving Burbank at 1:45 p.m. on
the 9th and returning on America West 481, leaving Las Vegas at 12:05
p.m. on the 10th. I'm paying 10-bucks extra for the later return
flight, the $58/RT is at 9:36 a.m. If you find a good flight out of
LAX or Orange Co., post it and maybe have company.
Msg #18969 Dated 3:14:30 09-14-91 18933 <--> 18976
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
How about a wireless mike hooked up to a phoneline? Then I wouldn't
have to be in the same CITY.
Msg #18973 Dated 7:06:22 09-14-91 18202 <--> 18997
From: BLAKE CHATFIELD
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I think that Mark Tripp's column in the current Genii says it all. I
live in a town of 13,000 (County 25,000). When I moved here from
California after traveling for eight years, the first call I got for a
magic show asked how much for a birthday party. I decided to quote low:
$85; they almost blew off my ear. So I mostly work at the two resort
hotels here for people from out of town. There I can get California
fees. There is one other magician here - Bill Lawton - he worked a
magic bar in Hollywood many years ago, and he works as jack of all
trades and magician at a local guest ranch. 'Way to go. But it's
beutiful here. Thanks for asking.
Msg #18974 Dated 7:12:21 09-14-91 18203 <--> 18998
From: BLAKE CHATFIELD
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I tuned in late, and Geller was on from London. He was decrying Randi
as saying all those untrue things about him. He recounted his charges
in the suit he has against Randi, and then challenged Randi to refute
them. Turn to Randi in the studio, and of course he replies he can't
answer the charges because there is a suit pending. Then Joan London
hands him a stainless steel spoon from the CBS commissary, the camera
cuts close up and he bends the spoon. I think it broke, because he
dropped it at the conclusion of the bending rather than holding it up
for all to see. But it was a good bit for the lay audience, and Randi
got his points across that Geller is just a conjuror.
Msg #18976 Dated 8:36:47 09-14-91 18933 <--> 18985
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Like a ventriloquist throwsa da voice... T A can throw his mind.
Msg #18977 Dated 8:36:52 09-14-91 18934 <--> 18986
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
How much do you have to water Kudos? Or is it like the stuff in
Georgia... just keeps growing?
Msg #18978 Dated 8:36:59 09-14-91 18935 <--> 18987
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
He was a creative fellow. A world class skater and played the
Palace in N.Y. during the heyday of vaudeville.
Msg #18980 Dated 8:37:11 09-14-91 18950 <--> 18989
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
I wouldn't buy a Japanese car if it was $5.00
Msg #18981 Dated 8:39:59 09-14-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: HERE'S FRED!
NOTE: All letters are "verbatim" as written, remember English was
not Fred's native language! Any comments or clarifications by
the editor are enclosed in << >>.
<>
8 August 1978
Pete:
Just back from a wonderful 4 weeks at Phillipe Fialho's
place in the South of France and here I find all kind of letters
with goodies from a guy from Long Beach!! Great!!
Nice to hear from you again Pete. Because of the holidays I
don't have much new to tell you but I will try to get the page
full!
Just before I left for Phillipe's I taped another Special
for the BBC with John Fisher in London and I had a hell of a
bill!!! Norm Nielsen, Slydini, Glen Falkenstein and Siegfried and
Roy. Thing that went over best was Biemans' Ring on Stem of Wine
glass. And you know where that idea came from!! <>.
Johnny Paul was to be taped next day but I did not see that
because I was already home to pack for France. However I did
attend a so-called lecture that he did for Ken and I don't think
that everybody was very satisfied. He just went through his
tricks that he does at the bar and although you can see he knows
what he is doing it just is not the same when he does it for a
packed room of magicians -- where you don't have the correct
atmosphere. Furthermore he did not explain any methods he uses so
when going home they just saw a magician do commercial tricks.
<>.
Brother Hamman also was staying at Phillipe's and he is
something else!! All day he sits there and invents tricks, plots
or methods!! It is amazing how much material he comes up with.
I guess he showed me at least 6 different new ways to count
cards and 4 entirely new plots and tricks.
Don't know when you saw him last but I am sure he will make
your eyes pop. Really fantastic stuff.
I counted the Hamman tricks that I use regularly and came up
with 20!!
At the moment I am again on the finger ring tricks. I am
collecting everything on the subject and then try to combine
the best effects into a routine. At the moment I already have
more than I can use but you never know what you might come
across.
Threading a ring on a rope ala Roy Johnson (ring on thumb) I
do now with a silk!! Not so easy but very pretty indeed!
Just now Phillipe phoned to tell me our "joke" is working:
We spread the rumor that I am entering the competition at the
FISM in Brussels next year. So now there is a big panic!!
Klingsor is afraid that he will get only a few people to
enter the competition now and those that do are scared stiff!!!
Please keep it a secret!! I might not even go to Brussels. The
convention is held 20 minutes out of town and away from all the
hotels so how he will manage to get all these people back and
forth all the time is a mystery to me! Anyway we will see what
happens. <>
Pete, do you know anything about a thing I saw advertised as
the Upside Down Topit? If so let me know if it is interesting
enough to order or not. <>
Well, Pete, I guess this is it again and will now start
playing with the toys you send me! Thanks again!
Msg #18982 Dated 8:42:42 09-14-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MORE FRED
NOTE: All letters are "verbatim" as written, remember English was
not Fred's native language! Any comments or clarifications by
the editor are enclosed in << >>.
<>
7 December 1977
PETE:
Great to hear from you again! I went through my back mail
and found three unanswered letters from you. Sorry! Anyway here
we go!
The revue I have been working in so long has finished now
for good. We may be doing some shows for firms here and there but
no public shows anymore. Have some conventions to do in Germany
and England and Austria plus here and there club dates and T.V.
and maybe not as busy as before it keeps me occupied.
No! I did not publish the 11 Bill routine and did not give
Mike Caveney permission to do it because he never asked me!
I feel sad about this because I thought he was a decent
fellow. Well what can you do? <> Maybe I
will tell the story one day.
Have had tremendous fun with the Takagi Cup and really
fooled the boys! Have some really fine handling on the thing and
also doing an entirely different version using the full cup
principle! The final load is in the cup during the complete
routine so comes as a complete surprise when it appears. (Don't
talk about it yet!) <>
We are planning a reunion kind of convention where nobody
pays anything but his own expenses for hotel and food. There will
be no other entertainment but ourselves so everybody has to do
something to fill the weekend. We think of asking about 40 people
so it will be kind of intimate with lots of close-up.
When are you coming over? You are invited!
Ricky sent me his book and had another good laugh! He is
quite a character!
Ordered Fickle Fire from a dealer here in Germany. Should
have it by tomorrow. Received the bill for it already!
Will see Ken <> the 18th of December when I will go
over to London to do a magic day for Ron Mac Millan.
Phoned him yesterday but he was not in, so I spoke to Frank
Farrow <> and
he told me Ken is doing better and better! I am looking forward
to seeing him again.
I will have to do some close-up as well over there and am
thinking of doing the Takagi Cup.
Flip <> back from Japan told me he saw Takagi
doing my Giant Chinese coin trick for television in Tokyo. Said
it was well done!
Johnny Thompson will be on the box tomorrow from Germany. It
is a show from the Olympia in Paris. (Did he ever appear there or
was he put in from another show?) Hope the picture will be sharp
enough to put on video. Have about 12 hours of magic acts
now!!
Also was asked to appear on the Close-Up convention next
year, 28-29 April, but I don't think I will be able to make it.
I guess I am going to get another lecture together to visit
the clubs in the States. Wish you were here to write the notes!
Have enough stuff they have not seen yet. Am doing Peter
Kane's Gypsy Curse truck with unprepared cards now. You should
see the faces of the magicians!!
Well Pete, that's all for now! All the best and Merry Christmas!!
(signed) Fred-
Msg #18983 Dated 8:44:27 09-14-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re:
NOTE: All letters are "verbatim" as written, remember English was
not Fred's native language! Any comments or clarifications by
the editor are enclosed in << >>.
<>
4 January 1978
Pete:
Happy New Year!!!!!!!!
Received all your letters and am enjoying them but I just
can't keep up with you! Every time I say to myself: I am going to
try that and answer him tomorrow, there is another letter again
with more ideas!! Slow Down!!
Kidding aside, I always enjoy your letters.
I will try to tell you a few things that have kept me busy
lately.
Vanni Bossi, from Italy, sent me a replica of my Chinese
coin but it is 7 1/4-inches in diameter. He had it made for me
just as a nice token to be used as a paper weight or maybe magic.
I have chosen for the last and so I can now carry the coin with
me easily and produce it as an extra kicker anytime anywhere. You
should see the thing! It's impossible!
The Magic Day on Dec. 18th was another disaster for me!! No
dressing rooms, so we had to dress in some dirty kitchen. No
curtains and last but not least 2 terrible musicians who really
killed my finale!! I can never understand the people who are
organizing conventions or shows why they spend hundreds of
dollars for the acts to bring over and then save on the music
that kills all the expense.
Anyway, it is another lesson.
What can I say about Garcia? I don't think I am going to
fight him and give him some extra publicity because it will
always be his yes against my no.
I am sure that in 1959 when I was visiting him in his
apartment in New York that I told him about my version of Wild
Card with Signatures. Maybe he cannot remember that and now
thinks he invented it. Who is going to prove anything. In 1963 I
did it on Dutch Television. So maybe it is the other way around.
When in London for that Magic Day I had to do some close-up
as well so I wanted to do my 11 Bill trick but the organizers had
put somebody in the first part of the show doing it!!! So I did
the solid Takagi Cup instead and killed them with it.
I have not done much with Jack Pot Monte yet, but going
through it I think Side Walk Shuffle is better! We will see
later.
At the moment I am busy for a magic convention in Germany
day after tomorrow. Have to do a show and a lecture plus sitting
in a panel for a magic discussion. Also I will show the films
again. <>.
Have not decided if I want to plan a lecture tour this year
or next year. Have to get things organized and have to decide
what I am going to show. Also I like to do a lecture for not more
than 50 people so everybody will be able to see the close-up
ideas. Have lots of notes but too many things are too good!! Will
take some time to get everything worked out.
<>.
Andrew Galloway just sent me his new book on John Ramsay. I
find it even better than his first one and as you look at the
illustrations you believe you are looking at Johnny's hands
again. Very well done, and if you like this kind of stuff or have
known him it is a must.
Cyril Faranov, from Johannesburg, visited me the other day
and told me that Jeff Busby is selling David Roth's Portable
hole routine. Do you know if this is true? If so I like to order
it. Received Fickle Fire from Germany and they work fine. Have
not used them yet but altered them a little and made a pair of
magnetic holders for them so I can use them over and over during
Msg #18984 Dated 8:46:26 09-14-91 -> 19034
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: FINAL TODAY
NOTE: All letters are "verbatim" as written, remember English was
not Fred's native language! Any comments or clarifications by
the editor are enclosed in << >>.
<>
23 March '78
Pete:
Thanks for the letter and hope I will get this paper full of
how things are over here. Did not find time to write you earlier
because of many things to do at same time.
Did Blackpool <> convention and it really wore me
out! It's only a one day convention but on that one day I had to
do 8 close up shows plus 1 stage show and the rehearsal. After
the show we had to drive back to Paul Stone's in Liverpool where
I spent the night. Was I pooped!
Did not have time to stop in London to see Ken <>
but phoned him and he told me he is quite happy in his new
apartment.
Paul Stone has a shop in Liverpool and is the only dealer in
the World to handle Ken's stuff.
He had a copy made of a video tape of the Parkinson Show
Television I did on Christmas 1976 and for the first time I could
see what a good show we did! Together with Ricky Jay and
Richiardi Jr.
2nd of July I am going to tape another show for the B.B.C.
Television with John Fisher directing: Fred Kaps' World of Magic.
He is in the States at the moment to look for some talent we
could use in the show.
Booked myself for the Wichita convention end September
<> so maybe I will see you there if not before. Jay and
Fran <> also will be there. I will ask Jay if he can
fix me some new lecture notes if I can have the ready. I will
spend the month of July at Fialho's place which will give me time
to write the notes.
Next month off to Vienna to do 2 shows for IBM Computers and
some lectures inbetween and in end of May a convention in Krems
also in Austria. April 22 Television here in Holland.
Peter Pit phoned me some time ago to tell me that I was
chosen as Magician of the Year! I was quite pleased but when I
told him that I could not come to Hollywood in March to pick up
the award he dropped the thing and told me that in that case I
could become Magician f Next year!!! Strange!! I guess they only
want a cheap way to get an act!
When in Boblingen in Germany I met a Dutchman who is a fine
mechanic and he made me a cigarette through coin that can be
shown on both sides!! Fantastic!!
Broke the Himber ring that Hans Trixer <> in
Rhodesia made me and had a hell of a time to get it to him for
repair because of the political situation. Anyway he received and
apart from repairing it he also will make me two rings that will
match the Himber in case I want to do some Impossible Routine. (I
intend to!!)
Well, guess this is about all for the moment and I just hope
you will be able to squeeze in that day here in Utrecht in May! I
am free!
(signed) Fred-
<>.
Msg #18985 Dated 8:49:23 09-14-91 18933 <--> 19004
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Like a ventriloquist throwsa da voice... T A can throw his mind.
Msg #18986 Dated 8:49:28 09-14-91 18934 <--> 18992
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
How much do you have to water Kudos? Or is it like the stuff in
Georgia... just keeps growing?
Msg #18987 Dated 8:49:34 09-14-91 18935 <--> 19009
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
He was a creative fellow. A world class skater and played the
Palace in N.Y. during the heyday of vaudeville.
Msg #18989 Dated 8:49:47 09-14-91 18950 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: JOHN CARNEY LECTURE
I wouldn't buy a Japanese car if it was $5.00
Msg #18990 Dated 8:49:52 09-14-91 18960 <--> 19026
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
e: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Mebbe that's wh so many knowledgable dudes say that VIDEO is a
lousy way to learn/study... Carney says when studying in a book you
can use your imagination as to what the performance might be.
.
Remember how good it used to be to listen to the old radio shows?
Msg #18991 Dated 8:50:00 09-14-91 18961 <--> 18999
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GOT YOUR TAPE MONDAY, THA
Changing the subject slightly... Watched a Prince video. He wore a
"yellow net-type outfit" somewhat like a tux in basic concept, but
a NET SEE THROUGH... I thought what a great outfit for a magician.,
See thru suit... you have a flesh colored inner layer and if you
insist on still doing doves... the coat looks like it can be seen
thru, but the inner flesh colored layer provides the hiding place
for the birdies! Hip to the max dudes.
.
Think some more....
Msg #18992 Dated 8:50:13 09-14-91 18963 <--> 19008
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Guy shoulda sent the chair trick back and asked for DOUBLE HIS MONEY
BACK.... then he could have made a down payment on a good one!
.
The marketed versions of most illusions, and even medium sized
props are almost worthless. They are made with crap material and
the decor is usually TASTELESS...
.
If there are any "new members here online that build such stuff
BEAT IT!"
Msg #18993 Dated 8:50:26 09-14-91 18965 <--> 19036
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KAPSKAPSKAPSKAPSKAPS
I might hold the three biro tapes hostage.... until....
Msg #18994 Dated 8:50:31 09-14-91 18966 <--> 19037
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
The structure of joke 18966 failed when it went past one line!
Msg #18995 Dated 8:50:35 09-14-91 18967 <--> 19001
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
You maka you own reservations. I posted an 800 Nr. here last week.
It is...... 800-634-6655. Make sure to ask for show reservations
and it is the second show we is going to. Also make sure Lance is
not on vacation that night... just ask... Also the $5 tip is not
PER PERSON.... if there are 2 or 3 being seated at one time the
Fiver will cover it... tip the first guy, he will "assign" teh
seating... Hopefully I will have a section or table, or whatever
set aside. But need to know about 3 days in advance...
Msg #18997 Dated 8:50:52 09-14-91 18973 <--> 19003
From: PETE BIRO
To: BLAKE CHATFIELD (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You don't tell me the name of the city/state...
Msg #18998 Dated 8:50:57 09-14-91 18974 <--> 19094
From: PETE BIRO
To: BLAKE CHATFIELD (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Geller may be one of the most successful "conjurers" around. Think
about how many conjurers get on so many talk shows and who's names
are known to the public.
Msg #18999 Dated 8:51:04 09-14-91 18944 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: GOT YOUR TAPE MONDAY, THA
As far as Magician "artists" goes... it seems to me it is noticable
within about 30-seconds when you see someone start to perform (even
impromptu) that they either "have it" or don't.
.
When someone doesn't I tune out pretty fast. When they do have it,
I can watch the same act over and over and over...
.
I don't know your performing background... but when I was working
steady (and others tell me the same) NO TWO SHOWS ARE EVER ALIKE.
.
You can say the same words, do the same tricks, but it is the
audience, the venue, the mood... a myriad of elements that combine
to make it.
.
You can even do the same stuff, for example every show for a week
at the Magic Castle and KILL one night and the next DIE...
.
It usually is the audience that makes the difference.
.
A very few "artists" have the ability to RE-ADJUST mid show and
bring a bad crowd UP (a little)... but most just dig deeper holes
for the burial of that particular performance.
.
On art. I don't know how many watched the PROGRESSION of Shimada
from skilled magician to ARTIST. It all happened when his stance,
look, and EYE MOVEMENTS took over. He discovered he could misdirect
a theater full of viewers WITH JUST HIS EYES.
.
What an amazing change in his act that made.
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