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Msg #19000 Dated 8:51:35 09-14-91 18945 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: KEVIN KING
Nothing is ARDUOUS if you love doing it. A truly pro mage can't do
enough shows in eight hours.
.
Not that I am a great pro (or was) but I recall one night at
Disneyland -- it was magic theme night -- and they hired a huge
bunch of magicians to work all over the place. And Disneyland has
these nicely dressed creeps that walk around with clipboards and
inspect and rate everything and everyone.
.
I was at the beginning of the street you enter on... and was asked
to work on the steps of some little old shoppe... to do x number of
standing shows to stope a small crowd. X number of shows per hour.
.
It was going well, I was having a great time and decided to really
GIVE and skipped taking breaks. Doing about 1/3 more shows than
the contract. The audiences were enjoying it, etc. etc.
.
Then about 2 hours or so into the evening... a couple of the
Disney Jr. Executives called me aside and said, 'DON'T DO SO MUCH...
YOU ARE MAKING THE OTHERS LOOK BAD, THEY LIKE TO TAKE BREAKS...
and so on...
.
This really fried my brain... here you are in an entertainment park
and the folks walking by are loving what you are doing, you are
loving what you are doing and some MANAGEMENT TRAINEE types come
over and tell you your work ethic sucks.
.
No wonder corporate AMERICA is so screwed up and there is so much
white collar crime... it comes from the same mentality!
Msg #19001 Dated 8:52:06 09-14-91 18948 <--> 19022
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
When and if you go to see Max the Maven... try to behave like laymen
and react in the right places! There is nothing worse than for a
magician working a laymen venue to have a load of magician's show
up... the reactions are always in the wrong places (I have seen
them applaude steals before the production) (not that Max does
that kind of act).
Msg #19002 Dated 8:52:16 09-14-91 18951 <--> 19016
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Try filtering your water, dude.
Msg #19003 Dated 8:52:20 09-14-91 18973 <--> 19093
From: PETE BIRO
To: BLAKE CHATFIELD (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Just realized something. You talk about California performing
prices... how do property prices compare? If it costs less to live
in the boonies... its a wash.
.
I was showing a friend from Akron, Ohio around and when I told him
the price of houses he nearly died. A Million Dollar house we
looked at would be under $100,000 in Akron.
Msg #19004 Dated 9:03:43 09-14-91 18969 <--> 19005
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
At first, I was going to ask you how you were going to be able to
comment on your video if you were that far away. Then I remembered --
you are a mentalist.
To me, the funny thing about some of these 'bits' is that the do lead
to potentially interesting ideas sometimes. For example, there are
LaserDiscs that take advantage of the two sound tracks, normally used
for stereo, to provide live sound on one and commentary on another -
the viewer can select which to listen to, or can use both. There is
also the capability, on video-tape and on LaserDisc to use closed
captioning. I'll bet some interesting things could be done with these
extra channels on a magic video.
Msg #19005 Dated 9:10:09 09-14-91 18976 <--> 19053
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I have no doubt that T A can throw his mind. Myself, I find it easier
to use an overhead projector.
Msg #19008 Dated 9:27:33 09-14-91 18977 <--> 19021
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Kudos require a great deal more care than "the stuff in Georgia."
Msg #19009 Dated 9:29:20 09-14-91 18978 <--> 19178
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
My father loved vaudeville - it is quite likely that he saw your
father, probably many times.
Msg #19015 Dated 12:48:31 09-14-91 -> 19055
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: STEVE RADOSH
Re: BARCLAY SHAW
The name of the performer with the great levitation is Barclay Shaw (I
just remembered). I last saw him in Las Vegas and I have no idea where
he is now. He is a gifted puppeteer as well. But his levitation of the
girl is great! He builds a glass box around her and she levitates up
and down...then he walks away!
See ya 'round the school yard!
Philip.
Msg #19016 Dated 13:27:14 09-14-91 18951 <--> 19044
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I used to be able to obtain raw coffee beans from the private reserve
of the Zapotec people in Mexico. Freshly pan or oven roasted at home
and freshly ground and brewed.....MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm!!!
'W.
Msg #19018 Dated 13:42:39 09-14-91 -> 19057
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: FRENCH DROP
You might want to look at Gary Oullett's refinement of the French Drop
which he calls the French Canadian Drop. It can be found in his
wonderful book, CLOSEUP ILLUSIONS.
A companion video is also available.
'W.
Msg #19021 Dated 17:19:00 09-14-91 18776 <--> 19025
From: MIKE KING
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Stan- The best I have used was built after a design in the Harbin book.
There are several out there, but to my knowledge, they all work
basically the same way. Using one BEEFED UP chair with gimmick to
accept tang on the board or harness worn by girl. I remember seeing an
Italian guy years ago do a chair suspension with a almost nude girl.
It was very effective. Talking with him after the performance< I had
a chance to examine his CHEAT and it was a real thin harness, not
unlike the kind used on most three sword suspensions. Also he used a
girl who had a dance background and she was able to hold her legs, and
other body parts rigid during the effect. I guess one of the things
that you need to ask yourself is whom will be suspended in the thinest
of air. I remember Paul Osbourne printing a version of this a few
years back in his Genii column. You might contact him, or if you are
a member of the Castle, check out back issues of Genii in the library.
T.A. Waters has been a great help with my research on levitations.
The book I recommend is the Mickey Hades book. I will do some looking
around myself. I am currently building a levitation for my new act and
one for another performer. I have constructed I think two different
chair suspensions, so I will go through my notes and see what i can
find. Will get back later. Hope all this chit-chat helps. MIKE.
Msg #19022 Dated 17:56:33 09-14-91 18948 <--> 19027
From: GARY PLANTS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
Gosh David, I don't think I can make it out to the shows. Do you
think you could VIDEO TAPE the two shows for me!!!!! I really hate
to miss it.
Msg #19024 Dated 17:56:56 09-14-91 -> 19058
From: GARY PLANTS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPS LETTER
Pete, the Upside Down Topit was a small manuscript sold for $50.00 by
Danny Korem. It was the same idea that was used by John Cornealis in
his lectures called the "Pendulum Principle". I think that the
Cornealis title explains the basic idea without going into any details.
You were correct with your assumption. How are things with you??
Msg #19025 Dated 19:40:42 09-14-91 19021 <--> 19059
From: STAN LAKE
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Thank you Mike, and yes all that chit-chat helps. I knew nothing of
chair suspensions before so every little bit helps me fill the void of
knowledge. I'll look forward to anything else you can come up with.
By the way, how did the audition turn out?
Msg #19026 Dated 21:42:34 09-14-91 18990 <--> 19035
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Inner Sanctum was the scarest bit of theatre ever produced, your
mind created what no movie or television ever could.
.
My point to TA tho was that with video presented the way he did, 1 hr
with LOTS of different effects (which would have filled a book) is a
quick way to pick out the ideas you might use. Augment this with some
ideas of how it might be presented and I think you have a dyno-mite
combination.
.
I think books are better for theory, but suck for explaining the
techniques and sleights. Video is far superior for that aspect. Let
the media do what it is best at. Give me a book with the theory and
a tape to augment it and show the technical details and you've made
the best use of BOTH means of communications.
Msg #19027 Dated 21:42:48 09-14-91 18967 <--> 19039
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
Sounds good I'll check on flights out of LB, OC, or Ontario and
post the results.
Msg #19031 Dated 22:49:17 09-14-91 -> 19061
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPS
The latest installment of the Kaps letters
were great. What a treat! thanks.
Msg #19032 Dated 22:57:40 09-14-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPS
The clouds hvi2ave disappeared here in Holland the same moment the
first Kaps letters appeared on my screen.
Thanks!!!!!
Msg #19033 Dated 23:21:27 09-14-91 -> 19062
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CONTEMPORARY ILLUSIONS
We had a very interesting experience this morning. We were invited to
tour a Space Shuttle simulator that is being completed for a children's
museum in Caracas, Venezuela. The simulator uses a battery of
computers and LaserDisc players, along with a lot of sophisticated
equipment to allow children to experience a Shuttle trip into space.
Nathan was the pilot and a little girl, also about 3 years old, was the
co-pilot. The simulation was incredible. I don't know what an actual
shuttle flight feels like, but this sure felt like what I would
imagine. The monitors on the instrument panel showed an external view
as a pre-disced narration described what was going on. Through the
"windows" we could see the journey just as we probably would through
the real windows, and the voice of ground control crackled in the
background. The simulator provided the sensations of take-off, the
shock of the boosters and, later, the ancillary tank dropping off, the
roll, pitch and yaw manouvers, and the landing.
It felt _very_ _real_ and was, of course, accomplished by many of the
techniques that can be used in magic. The feeling that one is turning
about 45-degrees is really an illusion, as is the rest.
A truly interactive magic show! I'm just sorry I didn't think to bring
a deck of cards to do a trick while we were "in space!"
Msg #19034 Dated 23:41:48 09-14-91 18984 <--> 19063
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FINAL TODAY
Pete -
THANK YOU, THANK YOU for the wonderful Fred Kaps letters! These four
were incredible! One small note, I think that the bottom of the third
one got clipped in the upload process.
Your publishing these here on MAGIC! is a real service to the worldwide
magic (and MAGIC!) community!
Msg #19035 Dated 23:43:51 09-14-91 19026 <--> 19060
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Amen, brother!
Msg #19036 Dated 23:46:54 09-14-91 18993 <--> 19064
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPSKAPSKAPSKAPSKAPS
Now that you've released the letters yourself, I assume you will send
the Biro tapes - just don't send 'em to yourself.
Msg #19037 Dated 23:47:55 09-14-91 18994 <--> 19065
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Re: The structure of my joke in 18966 -
You do your material your way, I'll do my material mine! Besides, the
only difference between a one-line joke and a two-line joke is the
length of the line.
Msg #19038 Dated 23:50:24 09-14-91 -> 19066
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPS BBC SHOW
Pete,
.
One of the Kaps letters refer to a BBC show he did. That show, that
I first saw at the FISM in Brussels, called 'The Magic Show' is one
of my all time Kaps favorits on TV.
He is giving a perfect show there, and is showing a collection of
his famous effects.
He starts with an introduction smoking a spoon.
He does the ring on glass routine...which I saw Copperfield also
do in one of his recent shows....were you involved????
.
He does his chinese sticks routine. He gets a very good response
with his routine. His patter is great and I wish I could reshow this
tape here on the BBS. tough I assume you have that tape.
.
Next bit he does is his homing card. Although I did not see him
perform that effect very often on tape (note I never saw Kaps
perform in reality) the routine he does in that tape is top comedy.
He gets a maximum of response out of that effect. The vanish of the
last card is an absolute 'killer'.
Can you tell me what is the history of that routine and what were
the things Kaps added to it??
.
Finally he ends the show with his salt production.
.
Guests in the show were Glen Falkenstein (Spirit cabinet), Tony
Slydini (knotts separation), Shimada (oriental act).
.
In the same serie Ricky Jay also once had show. In that show he
shows a card routine with all the mechanical toys. With that routine
an actress Susan Anton (if I remember well) was assisting him. She
was apparently not told what was going to happen, as here reactions
were so pure, that this routine has become one of my most favorite
comedy bits in magic on video.
On MAGIC! we discussed Ricky's unique's patters, well this is
another example of it!!
Msg #19039 Dated 23:51:02 09-14-91 18995 <--> 19041
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
OK, thanks for the info on the set-up for the Lance Burton show. I've
got my plane ticket set and paid and I'm looking forward to it. Hope
to see a lot of MAGIC! members there.
Msg #19040 Dated 23:51:31 09-14-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPS BBC SHOW
Oh just remember that also Norm Nielsen was guest in the BBC show.
Another nice detail that the guys assisting Slydini was Martin Breese
the English magic dealer.
Msg #19041 Dated 23:52:00 09-14-91 19001 <--> 19042
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
Actually, Pete, we are going to stop off for dinner on the way to Max's
show and have a Max Maven look-alike contest. Then we plan to wear the
costumes to the show so that Max will have a chance to see them.
There is a rumor that Penn and Teller are going to show up that night
and are going to shout out the exposures to all of Max's effects. We
plan to help, of course.
Msg #19042 Dated 23:54:47 09-14-91 19022 <--> 19043
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
Sure, no sweat, Gary. I don't mind taping the two shows for you. But
the hard part is going to be getting Max to autograph the tape.
Msg #19043 Dated 23:55:29 09-14-91 19027 <--> 19911
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
Great! Will look forward to your LB. OC and/or Ontario flight info.
This mini-MAGIC! visit to Lance's show is going to be great fun!
Msg #19044 Dated 23:58:02 09-14-91 19002 <--> 19045
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Funny, I was thinking about a water filter just this evening as I
filled a glass of water and had to clean out the filter twice in order
to do it. The water in this area is VERY GOOD, until it reaches my
30-year old pipes. The guy across the street just put in a new main
line and it was really gruesome to see what the old pipes looked like.
But, with the coffee, I have tried spring water and distilled water and
still haven't been all that jazzed. Oh, and we use a gold plated
filter in the machine - no paper.
Msg #19045 Dated 0:00:14 09-15-91 19016 <--> 19056
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
That sounds good. We once came across some large tins of Mexican
coffee and it was really cheap, but it was DELICIOUS! Never could get
the stuff again. Hmmm... Maybe we should plan a coffee tasting MAGIC!
event some time - spend the evening traveling to each other's places
and trying the coffee. We could make a video of the evening and send
it to Gary Plants.
Msg #19053 Dated 1:18:05 09-15-91 19005 <--> 19170
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I think the only thing I ever threw... was, when asked by a tailor,
was a Perfect Fit!
Msg #19055 Dated 1:18:17 09-15-91 19015 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: BARCLAY SHAW
Barclay did this in his back yard near the pool on "That's
Incredible" tv show... He recently did it at Caesars Tahoe in his
revue show... I think he is either still at Tahoe or Atlantic City.
Msg #19056 Dated 1:18:23 09-15-91 19016 <--> 19068
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You lie... nobody could talk the Zapotecs out of their real coffee.
(Note: above be sour grapes)! I got to go up north and get my
Italian hand tooled, brass, Capaccino machine... back...
Msg #19057 Dated 1:18:29 09-15-91 19018 <--> 19439
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FRENCH DROP
This is for Cindy. Jade was here and I showed her the move, so when
you see her ask her to demo it for you. Bring your own coins, she
might not have any, but will know the move.
Msg #19058 Dated 1:18:35 09-15-91 19024 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: KAPS LETTER
Real good. Mr. M called and left a message on my machine. Has some
Faro Coppers for me. Will see him when we go to Vegas in about 3
weeks. Also understand a guy named Forte? F-something has some
heavy video stuff at GBC. Know anything about he or the tapes?
Joe is having some Vest Machines made. Keep tuned.
Msg #19059 Dated 1:18:43 09-15-91 19025 <--> 19131
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
The real Harbin set up is the best, as you take the board out and
you can use any volunteer out of the audience. But it gots to be
S T R O N G .... AND made right.
Msg #19060 Dated 1:18:49 09-15-91 19026 <--> 19089
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
Yep. I just read the Carney book, but seeing him really set the
stuff going for me... not that I will do HIS routines, altho they
are ours (buyers of book and viewers of lecture) -- it isn't my
way... I take his theory and think, think, think...
.
A review of what I felt he said/did of import will likely be
written tomorrow... to tired right now...
Msg #19061 Dated 1:18:59 09-15-91 19031 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: KAPS
Yer welkome...
Msg #19062 Dated 1:19:03 09-15-91 19033 <--> 19071
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CONTEMPORARY ILLUSIONS
Frogs (or was it Pigs?) in space... hmmmmmm
Msg #19063 Dated 1:19:07 09-15-91 19034 <--> 19072
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FINAL TODAY
I think it only lost a "so long for now" line...
Msg #19064 Dated 1:19:11 09-15-91 19036 <--> 19073
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KAPSKAPSKAPSKAPSKAPS
Tapes is wrapped and ready to go.... even got the BIRO/KAPS/TOMSONI
"close up special" in there.... plus my Tokyo Recture. (Honest,
that was the spelling on the tickets)... ahrg
Msg #19065 Dated 1:19:17 09-15-91 19037 <--> 19075
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Sorry, but you are wrong. It just depends on your timing/telling.
Henny Youngman does a great TV commercial for soda where he keeps
flubbing the second line... finally tells the director, "Hey, I
only do one liners!"
Msg #19066 Dated 1:19:28 09-15-91 19038 <--> 19067
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: KAPS BBC SHOW
The homing card is in a Hugard/Braue book, and is fantastic,
especially in Kaps' hands... his acting made it. Then the 11 Bill
Trick is based on Edward Victor's 11 Card Trick, but Fred's
large hands, made it so he could palm the bills. Some point in
that routine he has the bill folded in half, which helps.
The ring on glass (ala Kaps) is from my brain with help in the
mechanical side from Scotty York and Biemans... what is the correct
spelling and first name of Biemans? I want to give him credit in
the book I am writing.
Also, the Copperfield version was on an hour glass, I thought?
This came from two sources (as far as I know). One was Paul Gaertner
who did the ring with the hour glass at the Desert Magic Seminar
in Las Vegas (he was first place winner)... however some of the
work and the method of the switch was from a yet unpublished trick
of Scotty York. Gaertner told me some of the inspiration for his
trick came from hearing about the ring on glass as done by Fred.
.
Actually I don't have that tape, with Slydini, etc. Just a short
bit of Fred's part. I have to stop this message to re read yours
so I can see if I have answered all your questions... more to come?
Msg #19067 Dated 1:19:52 09-15-91 19038 <--> 19074
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: KAPS BBC SHOW
Ricky Jay has done some of the best close up on TV. The trick with
the little wind up animals was one of the first I saw him do and
it is great. His handling of the real magic, and his skill are
forgotten with his natural handling and presentation. Ricky is
doing some very skillfull and difficult stuff.
Msg #19068 Dated 1:20:03 09-15-91 19044 <--> 19070
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
There is a nifty under counter water filter system we had in
Hermosa Beach that did the job. Not the osmosis type, just a long
cartridge. Made much better drinking and coffee wa wa... Just
keep the Frogs out of it... knee deep
Msg #19070 Dated 1:30:56 09-15-91 19068 <--> 19080
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I'm not too keen on the cartridge filters - I've had some experience
with them and they fill up too fast, etc. Is there anything wrong with
the osmosis type? How about one of those small stills that sits on the
counter - that is the sort of thing I could understand!
Msg #19071 Dated 1:33:23 09-15-91 19062 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONTEMPORARY ILLUSIONS
It was definitely FROGS in space. Nathan wore his NASA suit and had a
great time. My real point was that this was an interactive illusion.
Perhaps not of the "traditional magic" kind - but it was certainly a
new direction to think in.
Msg #19072 Dated 1:34:52 09-15-91 19063 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FINAL TODAY
OK, thanks for the info on what might have been missing in the Kaps
letter. And, again, thanks for posting them.
Msg #19073 Dated 1:35:31 09-15-91 19064 <--> 19081
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPSKAPSKAPSKAPSKAPS
Will look forward to seeing those famous Biro tapes! But I still want
to do the "Magic In My Garage" one.
Msg #19074 Dated 1:34:06 09-15-91 19066 <--> 19082
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPS BBC SHOW
Pete,
Biemans first name was (he died a few years ago) Frans, he certainly
was a craftsman, and was known in Holland for always having the latest
beauties.
.
You are reight about Copperfield it indeed was a ring on hourglass, I
now remember.
Check if Joe Stevens will get a copy from that BBC show via Fischer
because those items MUST be on the tape!!!
Msg #19075 Dated 1:36:37 09-15-91 19065 <--> 19083
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Yes, but Henny was speaking - he wasn't limited to any particular line
length. Instead of considering two lines of MAGIC! text as two lines,
just consider them as one long line. If I come up and visit you
sometime, I can rewire your printer so it prints two MAGIC! lines as
one line.
Msg #19080 Dated 9:06:28 09-15-91 19070 <--> 19172
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Its your water... I don't know much, just that the one I had made a
differnce
Msg #19081 Dated 9:07:11 09-15-91 19073 <--> 19086
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KAPSKAPSKAPSKAPSKAPS
I have 11 bags of trash in my garage right now... monday will be gone.
Msg #19082 Dated 9:08:29 09-15-91 19074 <--> 20833
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: KAPS BBC SHOW
Will talk to Joe Monday... thanks... Biemans, I think made the small
skull and the smoking spoon, that I now have in my possession. Thanks
and sorry did not know he was gone...
Msg #19083 Dated 9:09:31 09-15-91 19075 <--> 19174
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
NO
NO
NO RE WIRE JOB... AGHR
Msg #19086 Dated 9:57:00 09-15-91 19081 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPSKAPSKAPSKAPSKAPS
OK, then we shoot the tape when the trash is gone. I think it would be
a great tape - just you and all your stuff!
Msg #19089 Dated 11:18:19 09-15-91 19026 <--> 19349
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I just received Gary Oulett's book "Close-up Illusions". It offers a
companion video to show how the effects are supposed to look. Are you
or is anyone else familiar with that tape? It sounds like it is a
worthwhile addition that would compliment the book.
Msg #19090 Dated 11:35:19 09-15-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW H&R BOOK LIST
Charlie Randall has just posted H&R4.TXT - the newest list of H&R used
(and some new) books. The posting of this list is always one of the
most exciting events on MAGIC! as MAGIC! members get a day or two lead
over the H&R postal mailing.
The new list is 23 pages long and has a lot of very interesting
first-come first-served stuff. It is in the MAGIC! files area as:
H&R4.TXT and as H&R4.ZIP for those who know how to
use PKUNZIP.
Now you just have to see how fast you can download it, look at it, and
get on the phone to Charlie!
Msg #19092 Dated 11:57:28 09-15-91 -> 19097
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: H&R LIST #4
I've uploaded the newest list, #4, for H&R magic in the files
H&R4.ZIP (zipped format) and H&R4.TXT (straight ASCII). If anyone
needs anything, let us know. I'll be out most of this evening (Sunday)
to a banquet, so if you're in a hurry call Richard. I'll also be
checking in here on the board at least once or twice a day for the next
week or so. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #19093 Dated 13:15:11 09-15-91 18997 <--> 19095
From: BLAKE CHATFIELD
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
oH, THAT! I live in the Southwest corner of Colorado outside of
Durango.
Msg #19094 Dated 13:20:02 09-15-91 18998 <--> 19274
From: BLAKE CHATFIELD
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Yes, we should all be so lucky as to get five minutes or so on CBS This
Morning.
Msg #19095 Dated 13:20:59 09-15-91 19003 <--> 19103
From: BLAKE CHATFIELD
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
That's a real gottcha! The prices for groceries here are about the same
- gasoline is 126.9 for unleaded now, so it is higher...but property is
much lower. We live on 5 acreas, with 1/4 of a 2 acere-lake on our
land. Our view of the La Plata mountains is spectacular, and the house
cost about 1/4 of California prices.
Msg #19097 Dated 13:24:52 09-15-91 19092 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: H&R LIST #4
Yep! I've already called Richard and placed my order! But there is
still plenty of good stuff left!
Msg #19098 Dated 13:29:23 09-15-91 18792 <--> 19099
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Forgive me for not being too clear about what happens on Magic Night.
What happens is at the Hilton restaurant, Poppy's, magicians stroll
around performing. When biz at the restaraunt is slow, the magus may
stroll to the bar, and do bar magicThe performing magicians are all
membersof SAM 112. The magic is part of our deal to use a room at the
hilton as a meeting place. This was partially made possible by those
well-bahved PCAM '91 conventionneers.
As for the second Wednesday of each month, that's our SAM meeting night
at the concord hilton. All SAM members welcome of course. Hope to see
you there!
Msg #19099 Dated 13:34:44 09-15-91 18823 <--> 19100
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
read message 18827, that should explain all.
Msg #19100 Dated 13:36:17 09-15-91 18823 <--> 19104
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
OOps! Wrong message, I think it's 19099, that will explaint everything.
Msg #19103 Dated 16:33:35 09-15-91 19095 <--> 21944
From: PETE BIRO
To: BLAKE CHATFIELD (X)
Re: URI GELLER
The property values on the Left Coast, frankly, are totally
absurd! Sounds like a neat place. Stay cool, and in touch!
Msg #19104 Dated 16:33:40 09-15-91 19098 <--> 19111
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Thanks for the added info on the Hilton and mojo action... will
try to swing by... are IBM members allowed?
Msg #19105 Dated 16:40:00 09-15-91 -> 19113
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS II
I have been able to successfully and painlessly perform this
effect.(Maybe no brain..no pain) i will be willing to share with
MAGIC! if group agrs. Purchased instructions are incomplete but I can
fill advice with what works for me. Only problem can be if one does
not keep red(phosphorus) separate from white (potassium chlorate). I
see risk is low as my students do experiments with more dangerous
potential. If agreeable, I will next weekend after I figure how to
upload.
Msg #19106 Dated 17:07:07 09-15-91 -> 19109
From: GENO MUNARI
To: SYSOP
Re: OCT 9
LOOKING FORWARD IN SEEING YOU ALL. CALL (702) 383-8660 OR 595-7770. I
HAVE MUCH TO CATCH UP ON WITH YOU.
Msg #19107 Dated 17:08:23 09-15-91 -> 19279
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBMAN
Re: CONNIE HADEN
I KNEW HIM QUITE WELL, AND HAVE MANY OF HIS GIMMICKS. WE CAN HAVE FUN
TALKING ABOUT THIS.
GENO
Msg #19109 Dated 18:33:05 09-15-91 19106 <--> 19114
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: OCT 9
Geno... will call yo soon... need to talk to you URGENTLY.... Thanks
for the numbers.
Msg #19110 Dated 18:34:20 09-15-91 -> 19116
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CARNEY KNOWS!
Carney Knowledge-Y-Copius, ad infinitu.
.
OK, assuming I am right and you buy Carneycopia and tear out all
the trick pages and throw them away.
.
What do you have left?
.
A lifetime of knowledge and theory passed onto Mr. Carney by one
Mr. Dai Vernon for starters.
.
Carney's homogenized writing of lessons learned from the writing
of magical scholars like Devant, Fitzkee, Nelms, Ross, Hoffman,
Hofzinser, Bobo, Slydini, Carlyle, Vernon and many others.
.
Carney's approach and philosophy is about as close to the truth
as one can get. His comedic "interpretations" of the AVERAGE
MAGICIAN certainly underscore his points. Most magi don't
understand the plot. They worry about the MOVES. The real
magician tries to eliminate the move. Simplify the effect, take
it from point A to point B so the audience can see, can realize,
can enjoy what is being presented.
.
Carney says, "Sleights are NOT difficult at all. Maybe the
Erdnase Palm or the Side Steal, but other than that there isn't
anything in magic that approaches the difficulty of playing the
guitar or the piano well".
.
He showed the way 99-percent of the magicians do a simple plot
like the coins across and completey screw up the premise and the
ability of the spectator to see the EFFECT. He showed how you
should do the pass when NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION... that
"Misdirection is everything" and "Technique is the INSURANCE" --
for years he had it the other way -- that Technique was first...
.
When you see the PURE LOGIC of his effects. The reasoning behind
each phase, the simplicity of the working, you can see why John
is regarded as one of the best there is at what he does.
.
He showed WHY the wand... to cause the magic moment, to conceal a
badly held lump of coins that "no onc could ever realistically
palm secretly without the hand also holding something visible,
something logical".
.
Carney also spent considerable time showing the difference
between a magi doing a "pass" to vanish a coin and the magi just
tossing the coin into the other hand, so you can pick up the wand
to make the magic happen... then the coin is gone.
.
He also discussed the logic and reason to use a Quarter for the
coin in the bottle and the famed Copper and Silver trick...
"Because you can borrow a quarter, and almost never a half
dollar" and that the confusion of the spectator when you bring
out a half dollar and an English penny and say, over and over
again, "Copper Silver Copper Silver Copper Silver" by the time
you do the trick the spectator really isn't sure what coin he/she
had at the beginning, the copper or the silver... but if it is
the spectators OWN QUARTER... they remember... You then introduce
a subway token, a copper half penny, a magic souvenir coin...
something they will remember... vs. THEIR OWN QUARTER.
.
I could write about 20 pages on what Carney did... that had
nothing to do with MAGIC TRICKS... but with M A G I C . . . YES!
But my phone bill can't take it and you should have something
saved to learn when you get the chance to see him again. Hey,
next time don't pay any attention to the tricks... study his
mind, his actions, his thinking... he has got it!
Msg #19111 Dated 20:14:43 09-15-91 19098 <--> 19118
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Thanks for the info on the Concord Hilton. The trade of magic for a
meeting place sounds like a good idea. And it gives the members
exposure to a "real world" environment. Hope to see you there
sometine.
Msg #19113 Dated 20:19:02 09-15-91 19105 <--> 19117
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS II
OK, Doug has put it to a vote - should he post the info on Flashing
Fingertips?
MAGIC!, ECANET, and the Sysop will take NO RESPONSIBILITY, nor will
they either singly or together, assume any liability.
Msg #19114 Dated 20:21:45 09-15-91 19106 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: OCT 9
Will look forward to seeing you on the 9th. Glad to have you back with
us, Geno.
Msg #19116 Dated 20:27:10 09-15-91 19110 <--> 19120
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARNEY KNOWS!
Thanks for the Carney review. My feeling too - the best thing to watch
is his mind. But he has some damned good tricks too!
Was at the traveling Paul Diamond dealer show today. Paul is really
fun to watch and he did a good job. I think he will be in your area
(as well as a lot of the rest of the Western U.S.) sometime soon.
Msg #19117 Dated 21:03:58 09-15-91 19113 <--> 19119
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS II
I'd like to cast a yes vote for the flashing fingertips. Sounds
interesting to me.
Msg #19118 Dated 21:37:01 09-15-91 19111 <--> 19125
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
We did somewhat the same thing. IBM Ring 38 -- over 20 years ago
held the meetings at the Magic Cellar in San Francisco. The biz
meeting part was early, and then when the place opened for
customers the members did the after meeting shows... you hadda
be good, as it was real conditions, real spectators... but it was
a great learning ground.
Msg #19119 Dated 21:37:10 09-15-91 19113 <--> 19121
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS II
It is his first amendment right. However I will not try it as I
consider my fingers too important to stick in even warm water!
Msg #19120 Dated 21:37:16 09-15-91 19116 <--> 19127
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CARNEY KOWS!
Paul, who I have known and seen for many moons will be at the
Oakland Magic Circle on the First Tuesday of next month.
One of the funniest stories on Paul is when I was staying at his
home in Florida he describe a crazy thing that happened with a
previous house guest... Slydini.
It seems they heard this noise and couldn't figure out what
it was (late in evening)... so they went to see... the noise was
coming from the guest bathroom.
It was Slydini, master of magic, he couldn't figure out how to
get the sink faucett to turn on. It was a new style designer
faucett control... and poor Tony had never seen this type and
couldn't figure it out.
Msg #19121 Dated 21:37:30 09-15-91 19117 <--> 19126
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS II
My vote for how to do the flash in hand is to use a small gaff
that holds flashpaper and smoke/sparkle powder and you turn a
little spark making wheel to make it go off. I really do not wish
to use anything bare handed... but OK go ahead...
Msg #19122 Dated 21:37:37 09-15-91 -> 19128
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
Ee;19117
Thanks to San Francisco area magician Bill Wittington, he has
located a source for a very rare magical performance video tape.
It is the famed Ed Sullivan show, the one the Beattles made their
first US TV appearance on... and do you know who else was on that
historic Feb. 9, 1964 show?
Fred Kaps ! ! ! ! The good news is you can buy the tape and it
is a bargain to say the least!
Available from: Barnes and Noble, 126 Fifth Ave., New York,
NY 10011. A phone order number is available: 201-767-7079. The
tape is stock Number 1705367.
The price? A MERE $ 9.95, PLUS Calif. TAX and $4.95 shipping.
My Abbacus says that is $ 15.75. What a deal!
Question. Does anybody know about the SharpVision that projects
the TV onto the wall? Is it any good? Is it expensive? You see the
ads but never the price. Hmmmmmm
Also hear Sony is coming out with similar item.
Just finished viewing John Carney's Video... he does a parlour
show at the Castle, as well as a close up show. It involves a funny
tour thru the Castle as he shows up to go to work, goes into the
various rooms, and runs into a few people.
His "DON'T STEAL MATERIAL" as a "This is not a video of the
shopping club for jokes" line is great... A performance tape only,
but hey, you got the book, you got the tricks.
Nice Miser's Dream and Malini Egg bag handling on the tape
as well as much we already know of John's repertoire.
Msg #19125 Dated 21:42:58 09-15-91 19118 <--> 19139
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
The idea of performing in exchange for a meeting room is a good one.
Actually, I've heard that it was done very early in magic's history by
a Chinese Troupe in Bolivia - but I don't know about that. Yes, the
folks have to be good when they are in front of read customers, but
that should serve as a stimulus.
It seems to me that there is an old Hungarian folk saying that goes:
"Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad
judgement."
Msg #19126 Dated 21:45:42 09-15-91 19119 <--> 19136
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS II
Your fingers are too imporant to stick in warm water? I guess there
are two responses to that:
1. "That could explain your sticky fingers."
2. "OK, do they stick in cold water?"
I would assume, of course, that you have them insured.
Msg #19127 Dated 21:47:42 09-15-91 19120 <--> 19148
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARNEY KNOWS!
Ha! I once roomed with a buddy at a convention in Atlanta. We stayed
in the Peachtree Plaza - you know, the tall glass cynlinder across from
Aunt PittyPat's. Anyway, the shower had some newfangled control and
after 15 minutes my buddy still couldn't get the water turned on. So
he finally called engineering. Turned out that they were working on a
pipe and had turned th wte off!
Msg #19128 Dated 21:53:39 09-15-91 19122 <--> 19149
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
WOW! THANKS for the info. on the Fred Kaps tape! Will probably order
it in the morning.
I don't know what the current SharpVision looks like. The old ones had
pixels (picture elements) larger than I would like. Also, they require
a special bulb. My suggestion would be to see one in action before you
consider it. BUT I have seen the prototype of the next generation -
the HDTV one and it is dazzling! Not yet in production, that one was
about $125,000 (yeah - one HUNDRED twenty-five thousand), but prices
are expected to drop when it is commercially introduced in a few years.
Msg #19131 Dated 21:50:45 09-15-91 19025 <--> 19150
From: MIKE KING
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Sorry I did not have a chance toi talk more with you this afternoon at
the Castle. But I had a prior thing with Ed Alonzo and had to finish
with him. Funny, I am building a levitation for him, as well as
myself. The fact that I am building levitations is not funny. It is
funny though, that you are also looking into one. It seems like
everyone I talk to the past sevral weeks is building or buying a
levi/suspension. As I stated at the Castle. I would be happy to sit
down and tell you of the ones I have used or come into contact in the
past. I spoke of the one I built for the Executive Inn tour I did in
1978. The idea of borrowing the chair from someone who had been
sitting in it all night made the effect stronger. I naturally switched
the chair, by giving the spectator from whom i borrowed the chair
another one. Then when i finished the effect, the GAFFED chair went
off stage with me. I have heard many people put down this effect. But
they were all magicians and what do they know. I have been a believer
in all suspension and levitations. GIVEN THEY ARE PERFORMED CORRECTLY.
You should think about your intended audiences and performing
conditions, then decide it the CHAIR SUSPENSION or possible another
suspension is best for your situation.
Again I invite you to give me a yell when you would like to get
together and discuss methods. It would be my pleasure. You can reach
be via Ma Bell at (213) 856-5652. Hope I can help. I feel that if i
have the knowledge I should share it. We are all in this thing
together to entertain people, so if I can, let me help you do just
that. Bye for now.
MIKE.
Msg #19133 Dated 22:33:48 09-15-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: BOOKS!
Just a reminder that there are currently TWO recent catalogs in the
MAGIC! files:
H&R4.TXT (H&R4.ZIP) - Richard Hart's and Charlie Randall's
catalog of predominantly used and rare
magic books. First-come first-served
on this one. Some new books are also
available.
BOOKSALE.TXT - Burt Carpenter's list of NEW books and
videos. Burt pays the tax and subsidizes
the shipping cost, so you save money! He
also donates 10% of sales to help support
MAGIC!.
There is a lot of good stuff on each list - so be sure to download them
and take a look!
Msg #19135 Dated 0:31:53 09-16-91 -> 19138
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Max -
A while back we were talking about singing during an act. I just came
across a reference Annemann made to a card effect of his called
"Sh-h-h--! It's a Secret," which he described as a method of "finding
a card by music." Could you describe a bit of this effect?
Msg #19136 Dated 0:39:22 09-16-91 19119 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASHING FINGERTIPS II
I cast a note of "I dunno" till I know if your denial of liability
actually would protect you.
Msg #19138 Dated 0:44:13 09-16-91 19135 <--> 19142
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Max is out of town for a while so let me respond to this. The effect
is in a book called SHH, IT'S A SECRET and is called The Tune
Detective; the idea is that you position the card 16th from the top and
then ask the spec to name any popular tune. He does so and you deal
the cards for two bars -- given that it will be 3/4 or 4/4 time, you
will always end on the 15th or 16th card.
Msg #19139 Dated 0:47:57 09-16-91 19111 <--> 19143
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Re the last sentence of (your) message #19111:
"Hope to see you there sometine."
Once upon a fork, perhaps?
Yukyukyukyukyuk...
Msg #19142 Dated 1:20:53 09-16-91 19138 <--> 19151
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Great! Thanks for the info, T A. I guess the tune could be sung. At
least by someone other than me.
Msg #19143 Dated 1:22:08 09-16-91 19139 <--> 19147
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Well, they do perform in the resturant! It may be an accident of
history, but on my keyboard the "N" is right next to the "M" and I have
fat flingers.
Msg #19146 Dated 7:16:11 09-16-91 -> 19155
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
Your asked about "Sharpvision." I am in the Major Appliance business,
and do business with wholesale Distributors. A couple of these
distributors sell Sharp. Although I can't currently comment on the
technical quality of this particular product, I can tell you that they
have had a real problem in trying to market it. Sharp forced their
Distributors to stock this product, and I'm sure many would be happy to
dump them. Let me know if you would like me to check with a couple of
Distributors.
Msg #19147 Dated 8:34:18 09-16-91 19125 <--> 19154
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
In my JUDGEMENT... Do you know that politicians for centuries all
said In my OPINION, until JFK started saying JUDGEMENT.
.
Its only my opinion, but. Used to be the title of Crandall's column.
Which has never been equalled, in my judgement.
Msg #19148 Dated 8:34:26 09-16-91 19127 <--> 19163
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CARNEY KNOWS!
I guess its like magic. You got to read the instructions at least
once.
Msg #19149 Dated 8:34:31 09-16-91 19128 <--> 19159
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
If the price comes down about fifty percent I might consider.
Msg #19150 Dated 8:34:35 09-16-91 19131 <--> 19158
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
I am not putting down a chair suspension... just the quality of
those currently beeing advertised in the 300-400 price bracket.
.
When I saw Harbin PERFORM his suspension it KNOCKED ME DEAD... it
is pure simplicity, can be done surrounded (I did it in a garden
party using the "planted" garden chairs) it can be done without
your own rehearsed assistant -- no rehearsal on part of the floatee
is required.
.
My only problem with it, if there is one, is that particular effect
is now being overdone...
.
I don't know what any of you are budgeting for this... but you
might consider one of the Zaney Blaney models he has for sale.
His "ladder" susepension is a dream effect.
.
First time I saw it I had no explanation. You might think that a
dumb statement... but the angle of the floor and the footlights
masked the platform, and I thought he was doing it on a bare stage.
.
Nonetheless Blaney's are constructed beyond excellent... they are
bulletproof and will work right away!
.
The "pure" levitations that Barclay Shaw and Lance Burton are now
doing will bend your brain... and David Copperfield is rehearsing
a new one my spies tell me is better than anything to date!!!
Stay tuned!
Msg #19151 Dated 8:5:04 09-16-91 19135 <--> 19152
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Mike Rogers did, or still does, a trick where he sings Yankee
Doodle Went to Town, dealing a card on each beat. When tune is
done he is at the selected card.
.
I think Maven is away from home and not online this week. Will go
look, see if I have the book of Anneman's you refer to and look it
up. (Are you a new member? If so, note how nice the people here
are).
.
Ahem,
be back in a minute.... Sorry dude, not got that book. I have about
32 other Anneman tomes but no got that one. Tsk.
Msg #19152 Dated 8:35:20 09-16-91 19138 <--> 19153
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Funny, I wuz going to leave a message that you should have been
aksed the question... but you read my mind.
Msg #19153 Dated 8:35:25 09-16-91 19142 <--> 19164
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
You could play your accordion to find the card.
Tamariz does a marvelous routine (he won the Paris FISM for carte
magia with it) playing the Harmonica throughout his routine.
.
Presently he mimies playing a violin.
Msg #19154 Dated 8:35:33 09-16-91 19143 <--> 19161
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
It is possible you just type on the cracks between the keys, like
I used to do playing the piano at Carnegie Hall.
.
Super trivia... which not so well know magician, but mentioned
here on occasion, and very skilled I might add... has played at
Carnegie Hall?
Msg #19155 Dated 8:35:41 09-16-91 19146 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
I am, right now, ONLY CURIOS ABOUT THE PRICE on a SharpVision. You
see it advertised in major magazines and a TV campaign has just
begun... but I have yet to see one in any store.
Thanks in advance... no rush...
Msg #19156 Dated 8:35:49 09-16-91 -> 19167
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MAC'S ACES
Ee;19146
I have just gone back into the "Inner Secrets of Card Magic" series,
(Dai Vernon's material) and decided to REFRESH my memory on what
the Professor, who is now 97 and bedridded (talked about this with
Carney at length) -- did with the first version, the one without
any improvements.
.
Guess what? It is (in my opinion) the simplest, clearest plot, and
easiest to do, version yet. No stupied "prove" or add on moves...
just a nice clear path for the spectator to follow and understand
what is going on... and be led down the path, and be fooled.
.
There is one IMPROVED variant that a lot of card workers have done,
myself included, and that is to VARY the vanishes of the three
aces leading up to the climax where they all assemble with the Ace
of Spades.
.
We have it made today, as the double faced cards are available in
POKER SIZE already made up. In the early days you either had to use
bridge sized FAKO cards, or learn to split cards, or buy them from
someone that made split cards.
.
The variants to the vanishes that are most popular and easy to do
requiring little skill.
.
First Ace -- do it the way Vernon describes it.
Second Ace -- use one card to scoop up the pile. Do a buckle or
Eric Lewis push off and triple turnover all the cards above the
bottom card. Deal these first three face up cards to the table, then
turn over the last card, which the aud believes is an ace... and it
is not an ace.
Third Ace -- again a single card is picked up to scoop up the rest.
Merely do an Elmsley count to vanish the face up ace, and turn all
over and deal one at a time to table to show NO ACE HERE...
.
The revelation of all aces in last pile. You can just pick up and
show... but I like to delay it a bit... I use two different ways
to do this. Pick up a single card to scoop the pile. This gives you
three face down cards and the Ace of spades face up 2nd from bottom.
You can just do another Elmsley count showing the Ace turns over,
then turn all over, spread and show the 3 aces and one face down
turn it over showing it is the Ace of Spades and all are together.
.
What I like best, but cannot describe very well here is to just
pick up the last pile, which is Ace of spades with three face down
cards (aces) on top.
.
Using the biddle grip I do a Veeser Count. This is similar to an
Elmsley, in that it shows all face down cards, but the face up
card started at the back of the packet instead of 2nd from back.
.
Lets see if I can describe... bear with me... I don't know where in
all the books out there it is in print... but it is...
.
Cards in right hand Biddle grip (thumb at rear, fingers at front,
straddled). With left thumb... thumb off the top card. For 2nd card
place all in RH onto the first card in left, Thumb off the 2nd card
and at same time RH steals first card thumbed off.
3rd card... RH index finger pivots over to left the next 2 cards as
one onto the card in left hand as left thumb appears to peel off
one card (actually two) and the last card is just peeled/dropped
off onto the cards in left hand. This leaves them in the order you
would have them for a standard Elmsley now -- face up card 2nd from
back.
.
The Veeser is sometimes done after an Elmsley count as a THROWOFF
to show the cards do not contain a face up card (they really do)
for the un initiated...
.
I hope this routine and handling is of use. It works like a champ
for me... and it also proves that the Vernon Touch is the way to
go... LESS MOVES, simple plot, clean magic.
.
And the Vernon MacDonald routine requires no real setting up. You
just have to add the three gaffed cards to the face of the deck.
Or you can start that way. It is easy to do the add on. YOu can
have them in the box, start to put away and say, "Let me do one
more for you" or just in pocket and say same thing. Or you can
take the four aces out of the deck, put deck in pocket temporarily
while you do either Twisting the Aces, or Dr. Daley's Last Trick.
.
I like to do Daley's as a small ENCORE to MacDonald's aces...
This gives the spectators a chance to come back to reality after
having just been blown away by a miracle of a card trick.
.
Card news, card news, card news!!! U red it heer first...
.
The long-awaited, secret material, of the famed JACK MAC MILLEN
is nearing completion. THE BOOK is well under way and let me tell
you, knowing Jack (he showed up at the Carney lecture and is looking
great) this will rival the famed Hugard-Braue material of days
gone by. It will be a must for the serious student of magic.
Msg #19158 Dated 9:32:11 09-16-91 19150 <--> 19160
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
I thank you for your input. I was not, myself, knocking magicians who
put down the effect. I just have always had the best response when I
have performed a levitation or suspension. It is real magic, where the
audience SEES the magic happen. It is not covered in the box while it
takes place. I have always been a fan of illusions that have little or
NO BOXES. This thinking has lead me to come up with many very powerful
illusions that have been quite well recieved by the audiences. Again
not knocking my brother magicians, but I get a heckuva lot more doe are
(that should read) doe rae mee working for lay audiences. They may or
may not have seen the particular version of the suspension or
levitation that you are performing, all they know is you are floating
a girl in the air and that is GREAT (done correctly) I think there are
many really good suspensions out there, and yes Z.B. makes one of the
best. He is a great magic mind, who has put the years of research into
doing the design stuff correctly. Becky has several great stories!!!
Keep me abreast of the new Copperfield LEVI would love to hear more
about it. I am building something now for Ed Alonzo that is quite
unique. If not in method, in presentation. And PRESENTATION brother,
is what the (lay) audience remembers. I doubt anyomne who has seen
Lances new f**king levitation, cares how it works. It how it looked to
them that counts. And that is d**n good. Always nice talking at ya
Pete. Look forward to seeing ya on the 9th. Take care. MIKE.
Msg #19159 Dated 9:53:39 09-16-91 19122 <--> 19191
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
When I was in Japan three weeks ago I saw the unit. Several
manufactures sell it; Panasonic, Sharp, etc. It was about $1,100 US.
Somewhere I have the catalog. We have been using the larger model for
the Melinda Show. It was about $4000, new one year ago.
Msg #19160 Dated 9:57:55 09-16-91 19131 <--> 19206
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Mike, I have an idea I have been working on that a chair levitation,
ala the seat, rises. I will contact you.
Thanks
Msg #19161 Dated 10:14:25 09-16-91 19147 <--> 19162
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Interesting, Pete. I'd never realized that the switch from opinion to
judgement was done by JFK.
Msg #19162 Dated 10:17:31 09-16-91 19154 <--> 19192
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
An interesting super-trivia question! "Which not so well known
magician, mentioned here on occassion, has played at Carnegie Hall?"
The "not so well known" throws me - otherwise I would have suggested
Mike Close.
Msg #19163 Dated 10:21:22 09-16-91 19148 <--> 19193
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARNEY KNOWS!
After the Paul Diamond dealer show yesterday, Stan Lake, carrying a bag
of stuff said, "I've got to get right home, I have a show to do
tonite." Turned out, no, he did NOT mean with the stuff he had just
bought!
Msg #19164 Dated 10:28:03 09-16-91 19151 <--> 19165
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Thanks - I was in the same position - checked all my Annemann but don't
have that book. Even checked the H&R4.TXT list for it.
Msg #19165 Dated 10:31:59 09-16-91 19153 <--> 19194
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Tamariz violin is great, but not exactly musical close-up. His newest
book, of course, is "Bewitched Music I. Sonata."
Besides, I thought the "mimies" were not accompanied by a violin, but
were always performed by screaming.
Msg #19167 Dated 10:38:21 09-16-91 19156 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAC'S ACES
Wow! Thanks for the Mac's Aces post, Pete! Good analysis and good
thinking. The Vesser Count is described, with a couple of pictures, in
Jerry Mentzer's "Counts Cuts Moves and Subtlety" book.
Gee, I wonder if Mac's Aces could be done while singing Old MacDonald
Had An Ace...
Msg #19170 Dated 11:41:10 09-16-91 18895 <--> 19181
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Interesting...I don't think I have ever heard of anyone using an
overhead projector for a magic effect. Maybe you can work the effect
into your presentation at next March's DMS.
Msg #19172 Dated 11:42:06 09-16-91 18898 <--> 19173
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I thought perhaps you feared the attack of the giant amazons or
something....they might put you to some uses you would rather not
discuss as well.
.
I thought the chinese link had already been tipped by the
perpetrators. Since that may not be the case, I will henceforth
seal my lips.
.
Release of said information may be awaiting the phase of the moon.
One can never be too sure.
Msg #19173 Dated 11:42:33 09-16-91 18899 <--> 19188
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Oh yes...I know the Kona coast of the Big Island well. Every time I
have set foot on the island I have made it to the coffee plantation
store in order to buy about ten pounds of Kona Coffee when I bring
home and freeze until I grind it just before using a filter to make
the coffee. It is a wonderful stop!
I gave a speech to a conference at the Mona Kea Beach hotel which at
that time was (and I suppose still in) on of the Rockafellow resorts
and was probably the nicest hotel I have ever stayed in. The food
was fabulous and all island grown and produced. The group I was
addressing was the Pineapple Growers Association and they did it all
up in style. We also had an authethic luaua. A driving trip around
the big island offers such a variety from lush tropical conditions to
desert and cactus. I also had an enjoyable stay at the Volcano House
and just missed an eruption (the flow was still warm to the touch by
the time I got there). There are also macadamia nut groves on the
big island (trivia - where did that nut get its name?) and the black
sand beaches. Truly a wonderful place! The first time I flew there
I was on the plane with a clown magician (in full make up) who was
going from Honolulu to Hilo to work a gig. That was years ago and
I don't remember his name...always thought it ironic that he ended up
sitting next to me.
Msg #19174 Dated 11:43:28 09-16-91 18900 <--> 19183
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIX
Bob would not only be difficult to find, but he would, I am sure, be
completely upstaged by this set of very highly modified sweat glands.
Msg #19175 Dated 11:43:36 09-16-91 18901 <--> 19229
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Enjoy it while you can...the more mobile the busier you will be! Yet
you will want to be part of that as well. In a couple of years you
are likely to find yourself having to make some choices and modify
your lifestyle and interests a bit.
Msg #19176 Dated 11:43:44 09-16-91 18902 <--> 19182
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Sorry to reveal that. So many newcomers simply don't know or have
any way to know other magicians that the requirement has become a
problem for many. At least publishing the name offers a chance for
us to warned if their is problem of which we might be unaware.
Msg #19178 Dated 11:44:06 09-16-91 18904 <--> 19232
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yes...I still remember the smells and the feel of things and that was
many, many years ago. I wonder if anyone still drinks coffee from
saucers nowadays.
Msg #19179 Dated 11:44:16 09-16-91 18905 <--> 19199
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Tabbo is such a unique individual that he could have been a decendant
of the Lost Colony. No one has ever really figured out what happen
to those folks. Maybe that it was Kraybough craved on the tree
instead of what looked like Croatan. It is thought that some went
north and into Virginia where Tabby's family has roots.
Msg #19180 Dated 11:44:31 09-16-91 18911 <--> 19189
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I am not on the cutting edge of anything!...including Ockham's razor.
Msg #19181 Dated 11:44:38 09-16-91 18913 <--> 19184
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I know it has been my misfortunate to not only see Rudy do 'em up the
nose, but also Melvin Burkhart, one of the last of the 10 in 1 show
magicians.
Msg #19182 Dated 11:44:52 09-16-91 18918 <--> 19200
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I KNOW Fantasio didn't INVENT the vanishing candle, but you try to
explain that to a nine year old who just saw the guy get a standing
O at the Baltimo Sullivan Show and knows his name is on the box of
the one he has. Besides, Merv Taylor didn't have a booth there so I
could introduce the kids to him. Ricardo did.
Msg #19183 Dated 11:45:00 09-16-91 18919 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIX
Apparently so...I wonder how the busking in Europe went. Somehow I
thought he was planning to stay longer. I guess I will have to call
and find out how it went.
Msg #19184 Dated 11:45:15 09-16-91 18920 <--> 19186
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Too bad...you might have ended up being the team magician. You were
a hockey fan as well? Is there no limit to what you have done?
Msg #19186 Dated 11:45:33 09-16-91 18925 <--> 19187
From: BILL WELLS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I will avoid the lines about "enough rope..." and tell Biro to make
sure he explains our position on lecturers who insist on full large
screen video set up (at a cost of over $800 a day) and then never
even turns the damn thing on. We should at least be able to get you
a megaphone.
Msg #19187 Dated 11:45:47 09-16-91 18931 <--> 19196
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
If you simply shoot the first one that gets up to leave early, then
you shouldn't have any problem with others trying to do it.
Msg #19188 Dated 11:45:59 09-16-91 18951 <--> 19197
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
David...do you have what used to be A&P grocery stores on the West
Coast? The ones that remain in this area are called "Fresh something
or the other (I can't remember) and are employee owned. Anyhow they
sell a brand of coffee called Bokar that I have found to be quite
good when all my Kona is gone. Comes in a black bag and is now also
being sold in Safeway Grocery stores. I trust you keep the beans in
the freezer and grind them just before making your coffee with a
filter. Bokar is not expensive either.
Msg #19189 Dated 11:46:19 09-16-91 18954 <--> 19190
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Evan...
I agree and also regret any misunderstandings that may have taken
place. Let's forget and forgive and get on with enjoying the board
about which we mutually care.
My calling you "Mister" is probably a throwback to many years ago
when I was in military school. The freshman or "rats" were called
"Mister" or "Misto". You are lucky I didn't also request that you
get your shoulders back, suck up your gut, and do at least ten push
ups. The next time you are in a Ronald Regan mood and see the movie
"Brother Rat" being shown on late night TV, watch and you will see a
most romanized version of what I am talking about. (now how is that
for a b.s. answer ?)
Msg #19190 Dated 11:46:47 09-16-91 18955 <--> 19204
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Concur! It is the somewhat unique nature of bulletin boards to give
instant responses and that can mean in the "heat of the moment". We
definitely have the same concerns about the need for new blood and
I suspect it will require not only our resources but the efforts of
others as well to resolve what I fear will be a problem in the near
future with getting newcomers to come on and stay. Working together
for the solution is certainly a better approach.
Msg #19191 Dated 13:46:00 09-16-91 19159 <--> 19256
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
More than glad to have you back here. Will HOPEFULLY be able to
spend some time with you on the weekend of the 9th. I will call
you one the phone soon. Got to run out now to cover some checks!
Msg #19192 Dated 13:46:06 09-16-91 19162 <--> 19234
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
He is a famous person in his field. A math professor. Used to live
with Dai Vernon. A genius. Won a MacArthur fellowship. Probably the
best sleight of hand and mathematical card man of our time.
Works for both Standford and Harvard. Helped me tremendously with
my act. He is just not well-known to many as he does not seek
publicity. Shuns it really.
.
If my life depended on it and the bet was who is best I would put
him against ANYBODY.
Msg #19193 Dated 13:46:18 09-16-91 19163 <--> 19235
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CARNEY KNOWS!
ARE YOU SURE? HAHAHAHAHAH
Msg #19194 Dated 13:46:23 09-16-91 19164 <--> 19236
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
THAT particular Annemann book is so secret, almost no one has it.
Msg #19195 Dated 13:46:26 09-16-91 -> 19237
From: PETE BIRO
To: ER
Re: ALWAS NICE TO HAVE A SPE
S
Er;19167
I would think Old MacDonald Had an Ace... with the MacDonald Aces
would be very excellent... but I would suggest a RAP version.
.
I have just booked a RAP magician for Salt Lake... he will destroy
the audience!!!
.
Hey just saw on CNN that Leno was hurt in cycle accident... help,
anybody in the LA news basin... let me know what's up... got to
know... and I don't want to bother him with a phone call....
Msg #19196 Dated 13:46:41 09-16-91 19170 <--> 19201
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The Overhead projection system works great to misdirect a whole
audience. You shine it in their eyes!
Msg #19197 Dated 13:46:46 09-16-91 19173 <--> 19203
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
WHAT I WANT TO KNOW, IS.... WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO HALI LOKI?
Msg #19198 Dated 13:46:49 09-16-91 -> 19238
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: TAPES
I ORDERED THE KAPS TAPE from the firm I mentioned earlier. And at
the same time they also handle the Victor Borga 1 and 2...so I will
be in viewing pig heaven...
Msg #19199 Dated 13:46:56 09-16-91 19179 <--> 19233
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Thru Oct. 31, Tabby Crabb should go by his haunted name...
Tab-O-Lantern.
Msg #19200 Dated 13:47:02 09-16-91 19182 <--> 19230
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
GEE... YOU DONE NEEDA BITE MY HEAD OFF... actually, the Vanishing
Candle was invented in a moorish church 3465 years ago. Someone
brought in a candle and lit it. A carrier pidgeon came in with a
message and when the fella came back some time later the candle
was gone.
.
Msg #19201 Dated 13:47:11 09-16-91 19184 <--> 19217
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
But there is a limit to what I will do.
Msg #19203 Dated 13:47:22 09-16-91 19188 <--> 19210
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Quit making me miss my capaccino machine!
Msg #19204 Dated 13:47:27 09-16-91 19189 <--> 19267
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
You forgot "Thumbs along the seams of your trousers!"
Msg #19205 Dated 13:47:30 09-16-91 -> 19277
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHERE ARE YOU?
Ee;19190
Tab-O-Lantern, my man... I thought you wuz gonna be back already.
Whee miss ya... hope all is good... keep a pluckin'
Msg #19206 Dated 17:05:03 09-16-91 19131 <--> 19207
From: STAN LAKE
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Thanks for the info. I haven't seen enough levitations performed to
know what would be best. I'd like to know more about what is available
so I can make an informed decision on what would be best for me. Do
you build other levitations other than the chair levitation?
Msg #19207 Dated 17:18:20 09-16-91 19206 <--> 19208
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Stan, there are a number of books with many levitation ideas. Granted
they aren't performances.
I think the main criteria for you WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DO THIS?
Will it be in cabaret conditions? Full stage? Are you going to be able
to have A LOT OF SET TIME? Are you going to be in one theater for a
long run? What?
Do you need to have it fit in a car trunk or the back seat? Or do you
have a huge truck? How many assistants?
.
Can you drill holes in the stage and put some of the mechanics under th
floor? Do you have complete control of the lighting?
.
Be glad to help.
.
If you have a lot of money, go have lunch with Johnny Gaughan and tell
him what you want and get him and Stienmeyer to design it right.
]
Msg #19208 Dated 17:31:08 09-16-91 19207 <--> 19220
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Uh-oh. I think I'm over my head and out of my league with this
levitation idea. The chair susupension sounded so simple and had the
potential for a good impact on the audience. At around $400 it
certainly is more than I have paid for any othersingle effect. I
guess cost-wise the sky is the limit depending on what one wants to do.
As my dad used to say "If you can't go first class, stay home!" It
seems as though it is going to cost far more than I can spend to g et
a good levitation illusion. Thanks for the info though, it saved me
from rushing out and buying something I probably would have been
disappointed with in the long run.
I enjoy doing close-up magic most but I do occasionally do parlour and
stage shows. Right now I don't perform these often enough to justify
the expense but when the time is right I'll know who to ask. Thanks!
Msg #19209 Dated 17:48:55 09-16-91 -> 19246
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Seems to me that you commented on Rush Limbaugh. New Time Mag just out
has a good article on him.
Haven't read it yet, but see a great line in there:
"Here we have Senator Teddy Kennedy crossing another bridge,......"
The quotation marks are OK here, aren't they?
Msg #19210 Dated 18:05:36 09-16-91 19045 <--> 19211
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Maybe just send him a container of coffee-to-go!
'W.
Msg #19211 Dated 18:06:25 09-16-91 19056 <--> 19212
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You lie...nobody could talk the Italians out of their real Cappucino
machines!
'W.
Msg #19212 Dated 18:07:59 09-16-91 19188 <--> 19221
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Bokar was the only coffee served in my house when I was growing up. Of
course, those were the golden days of perculators, sooo.....
'W.
Msg #19213 Dated 18:19:18 09-16-91 -> 19222
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
Here's some interesting info from the "inside"...
Sigfried and Roy have their own animated cartoon series now in
preproduction. Interesting in that neither Sigfried or Roy will be
doing their own voices!
'W.
Msg #19215 Dated 20:53:17 09-16-91 -> 19223
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: ALL
Re: HARMON BAKER
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to reach Harmon Baker? He
lives in Memphis, Tennessee, and is well known for being 104 years old
and still performing magic. Maybe the name of some other active
magician in the area would be the best way to actually communicate?
Thanks!
Msg #19216 Dated 20:58:22 09-16-91 -> 19219
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAPEL MICROPHONE
Pete, some time back we were discussing microphones and you recommended
the Shure Brothers clip from Radio Shack. I went to Radio Shack and
they did not have one made by Shure Brothers but they did sell me a
Realistic model 33-1052 which is a Tie Clip Microphone. It says it's
broadcast quality, Omnidirectional pickup, 50-15,000 Hz frequency.
Is this similar to what you recommended?
Msg #19217 Dated 22:05:12 09-16-91 19170 <--> 19218
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The effect originally used two computer cards (IBM or Holerith cards;
aka 80-column cards) to identify a selected card. When the two cards
were superimposed, the hole pattern yielded the name of the card. It
was originally inteded as a close-up effect, but the pattern was always
difficult to discern. I turned it into a parlour/stage effect by using
jumbo cards and by placing the Holerith cards on the overhead. By
placing them askew and slowly bringing them together the various holes
create a pattern of flashing lights on the screen - I tell the audience
that this is the computer working. There are always audible gasps as
the cards come together and the name of the selected card can be
clearly seen.
In effect, the overhead projector becomes the stage for the effect.
Yes, it would fit with the DMS MAGIC! session.
Msg #19218 Dated 22:12:39 09-16-91 19187 <--> 19244
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
When I had Harlan Ellison lecture, someone stood up to leave and Harlan
yelled, "SIT DOWN! If you don't like it later, I'll give you a buck!"
Someone in the audience yelled back "That deal good for everyone?"
Msg #19219 Dated 22:15:29 09-16-91 19216 <--> 19241
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LAPEL MICROPHONE
NO. I recommended a Shure Bros. clip available in music stores. It IS
NOT A MIKE it only holds standard mike's like you run into in
99-percent of the comedy clubs.
.
If what you got works, fine. It is just tough to come up with a mike
that is always compatible with sound equipment where ever you go. Most
places have balanced mikes. If your mike has the wrong impedence you
need correcting adapters. You really should go to a professional music
and sound store that sells stuff for bands, singers, etc.
Msg #19220 Dated 22:18:02 09-16-91 19208 <--> 19243
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
You might want to check out the "Suspensions and Levitations" book
published by Mickey Hades. There are a lot of low cost good ideas
in there. The Grant 'SELF LEVITATION' costs about $5.00 and is
one that is a great and funny bit.
Msg #19221 Dated 22:18:08 09-16-91 19211 <--> 19225
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Mine is brass with an Eagle on top! Will get it soon, when I go up
the Coast and visit my dogs (and ex wife) and get some stuff I
have up there in storage.
Msg #19222 Dated 22:18:14 09-16-91 19213 <--> 19239
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
Siegfried told me it was great, in that they have finally come up
with a way to make money while they sleep!
.
Big disappointment tonight. ABC TV sports hawked a special at
half time on the Magic of Steve DeBerg, the KC Chief's Quarterback.
Said they would show him doing magic on it.
.
Argh... set up the VCR etc. and what magic? He was standing there
like a stiff with a little box with a balloon in it. When the
balloon burst there was this poor birdie with a look on his face
wondering what the heck just exploded! That was it. And in typical
NETWORK mentality, closed with camera trick No. 1 ... he vanished
from a chair he was sitting in.
.
If he is as good a football player as he is a MAGICALUMPIN...
it is no wonder he threw so many bad passes and was intercepted
and lost the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
That is the kind of KRAP that gives magic a bad name!
Msg #19223 Dated 22:18:35 09-16-91 19215 <--> 19262
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: HARMON BAKER
Let Bill Wells know (here on line you are looking for him) as
Mr. Baker ususally registers for the IBM conventions, Bill and/or
his wife Becki will have an address for him.
Msg #19225 Dated 22:21:00 09-16-91 19172 <--> 19226
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I believe that the perpetrators are waiting for the T-shirts, photo
albums, and other memorabilia of the project to be ready before they
tip it. Or, you could be right, it could just be the phase of the
moon.
Msg #19226 Dated 22:24:16 09-16-91 19173 <--> 19227
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I've been disappointed with the Kona Coffee I've brought back. But I
hear that it is now in such short supply that even on the island, where
I remember it being superb, it is now blended with other coffees. Yes,
it is some wonderful place for short trips. I couldn't spend more than
a few days there - island fever.
As to macadamea nuts, could they have been named after John Macadam?
And did he originally use the shells as fillers for his famous product?
Msg #19227 Dated 22:28:59 09-16-91 19188 <--> 19228
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
BILL! You did it again! I drank Bokar as a child! And, yes, it was
great stuff! Glad to hear that they still make it - alas, there are
neither A&P's (I remember them - not only from shopping with my mother
when I was a tadpole, but from the fact that their story is a classic
example of a business screw up - they were once the largest food chain
in the World) nor Safeways in this area, but it does seem to me that
I've seen Bokar again someplace. A&P used to carry either two or three
house brands - Bokar in black bag, was it "Four O'Clock" in a red bag?
and, I think, something else.
Yes, we do keep beans in freezer, grinding them via the manufacturing
"just in time" system, and we use a gold filter - no paper - in the
coffemaker. And - for the yuppies out there - the coffeemaker is a
Krups and the filter is a Braun.
P.S. - I do not believe you can get MJB European Roast on your side of
the island. It is best so far, but I gotta find some Bokar. Thanks
for the memories.
Msg #19228 Dated 22:36:23 09-16-91 19210 <--> 19270
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
OK - one coffee to Gary Plants via Fed-X.
Msg #19229 Dated 22:38:48 09-16-91 19175 <--> 19390
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
I've already made major modifications to my lifestyle on his behalf.
And one of the results was MAGIC! Seriously, it was the change from
jet-setting hot-shot to local availability that triggered MAGIC! We'll
have to see what the future brings - right now he is busy rehersing his
effects for his show on September 29th.
Msg #19230 Dated 22:41:33 09-16-91 19176 <--> 19269
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I take it that the bonds between the International and the local
chapters are somewhat light. Otherwise, International could have an
800 number that the prospect could call and be referred to a local
ring. They could then obtain the necessary signatures from contacts
there.
By now you may have looked up my info, so you probably know who my
sponsors were. It was done live and in-person at a DMS.
Msg #19232 Dated 22:46:13 09-16-91 19178 <--> 19393
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I haven't seen anyone drinking coffee from a saucer in a long time. I
am, however, and I hope this doesn't engender any religious
difficulties, a "dunker." Most often, I dunk cookies, but I have done
a few donuts in my day.
Msg #19233 Dated 22:48:03 09-16-91 19179 <--> 19377
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
I've always assumed that Tabby -IS- the Lost Colony! When I was making
his plane reservations, they asked for his name and it took me a full
fifteen seconds to decide! Finally took a best guess at who was likely
to board and let it go at that. As to Croatan/Kraybourgh - yes,
Kraybourgh is Croatan in Gaelic. And if you've read Striber's
Transformations, you know that Gaelic is the hip language spoken
throughout the Galaxy, if not the entire Universe.
Msg #19234 Dated 22:53:57 09-16-91 19192 <--> 19282
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
OK - Well, that just made it a giveaway! Shall I name? Or wait to see
if someone else does?
By the way, has any attempt been made to talk him into joining MAGIC!?
Msg #19235 Dated 22:57:03 09-16-91 19193 <--> 19426
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARNEY KNOWS!
To the best of my knowledge, Mr. Lake is a careful preparer. He most
certainly would not have done the stuff the same night. At breakfast
the next morning... perhaps.
Msg #19236 Dated 22:58:34 09-16-91 19194 <--> 19242
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
I suspect that a couple of people on here have that book! Did he also
place secret messages in the secret book?
Msg #19237 Dated 22:59:39 09-16-91 19195 <--> 19283
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE A SPE
ARGH! (tm - Biro). Haven't heard the news all day - been very busy
getting cars fixed around here. Hope someone has an update on Leno.
Msg #19238 Dated 23:00:26 09-16-91 19198 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TAPES
Thanks for the info that they also have the Borga - wonder which
version?
Msg #19239 Dated 23:04:39 09-16-91 19213 <--> 19248
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
I believe the info on the S&R cartoon was originally tipped here on
MAGIC! whilst you were on vacation. Still, the bit about them not
doing their own voices is very interesting - probably the bigwigs
decided that Sigfried and Roy sounded too much like Sigfried and Roy to
do Sigfried and Roy or something like that. THANKS for making sure
that MAGIC! members, especially new ones who hadn't seen Pete's post,
were informed as soon as possible.
Msg #19241 Dated 23:12:09 09-16-91 19219 <--> 19285
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAPEL MICROPHONE
Meanwhile, for other purposes, I'm still checking out the Azden WMS-Pro
Wireless Mics. They come with two mics - tie-clip and hand-held and
have two channels. They are up in the 169-170 MHz. range, NOT the 49
MHz. range. Supposedly will allow about 250 feet between transmitter
and receiver.
Yes, a BIG problem with anything like the Radio-Shack mics, which are
very good for what they are intended for and for the price, is the
connectors and the impedence. I have a pair of the RS 33-1052's and
they are 800-ohm and have mini-plugs. Need adaptors for most
connections to pro equipment.
Msg #19242 Dated 23:27:02 09-16-91 19153 <--> 19250
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Combining accordion music with card tricks -- great; isn't that covered
under the "unusual circumstances" proviso allowing the death penalty?
Msg #19243 Dated 23:30:35 09-16-91 19158 <--> 19257
From: T A WATERS
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Just had a funny thought; if you're doing a suspension, have the
backdrop LOWERED and RAISED during the presentation -- would it look
like the floatee was moving up and down, if there was nothing near to
gauge from?
Msg #19244 Dated 23:33:52 09-16-91 19170 <--> 19245
From: T A WATERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Frank Garcia used to use an overhead projector in his gambling lecture.
Msg #19245 Dated 23:34:42 09-16-91 19186 <--> 19251
From: T A WATERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I used to do Shakespeare in an open air theater about forty yards from
an elevated train railway in Brooklyn; I don' need no stinkin'
megaphone!
Msg #19246 Dated 23:41:12 09-16-91 19209 <--> 19309
From: T A WATERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Remember the terrible Volkswagen parody ad in Nat Lampoon?
Msg #19248 Dated 23:42:27 09-16-91 19239 <--> 19253
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
My understanding is that the voices will be done by Arnold
Schwarzenegger and Arnold Stang.
Msg #19250 Dated 23:46:36 09-16-91 19242 <--> 20834
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Yeah! The card tricks would be the punishable part!
Msg #19251 Dated 23:48:13 09-16-91 19245 <--> 19271
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Ah! But did they raise and lower the elevated so it would look like
you were moving?
Msg #19253 Dated 23:51:29 09-16-91 19248 <--> 19284
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
I donno - I heard that they were trying to find voices LIKE those
voices (Schwarzenegger and Stang) because those voices were too much
like their own voices. I guess that anyone is entitled to voice an
objection though.
P.S. - Any word on who is doing the tiger voices? Tony?
Msg #19256 Dated 0:26:26 09-17-91 19122 <--> 19291
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
Pete, Milt is doing something with the
sharpvision for someone. He's been playing with
it for a while now and does nothing but rave
about it. Give him a call.
Msg #19257 Dated 0:50:44 09-17-91 19160 <--> 19258
From: MIKE KING
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Ten-four, Goodbuddy. I awat our call.
Msg #19258 Dated 0:51:59 09-17-91 19206 <--> 19259
From: MIKE KING
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Do I build any levitations? Oh yea! I am -ndoin* g two AGA styled
ones now and will build a suspension job to take on the road to perform
in conditions that would not let me do the LIFTER. In fact today
Marvin Stern and I were discussing something totally new. It is a
hum-dinger. I would be happy to sit and chat about your needs anytime.
Just give me a shout. You got my number. MIKE.
Msg #19259 Dated 0:55:31 09-17-91 19243 <--> 19286
From: MIKE KING
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Nice idea. I do remember some guy in Florida who marketed plans for a
levitation that really was a suspension. The ruse of the trick was
that the magician stood quite tall in his shoes and sort of shrank
himself, by kinda...uh..sorta squating. I know it sounds a bit funny,
but that was in the instructions. I think your idea od controling the
(that should read0 idea of controlling the backdrop to move up of down
might just work. It seems like the old movie gag of scenery painted on
a rollerblind and moved behind a stationary car, giving the impression
that it was moving. Might have to experiment with a model. Gee...are
you going to want residuals for this???? I guess I can have my lawyer
call your lawyer and they can do lunch. And of course, fax us with
what they come up with. BYE T.A. MIKE.
Msg #19261 Dated 5:58:52 09-17-91 -> 19278
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW H&R LIST
Tabby, I hope you get back soon, we're selling all our books! Just
kidding, but we are ing pretty well so far. Talk to you soon.
Charlie
Msg #19262 Dated 6:54:20 09-17-91 19223 <--> 19383
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARMON BAKER
Thanks Pete! Hello Bill... are you around? Sure would appreciate a
suggestion for a direct contact, or more likely, someone else very
active in the Memphis area. I would guess that reaching someone else
might be the best way for communicating with him, but maybe not. He
might even be in the Yellow pages, as I hear he still does 30 - 40
shows a year!
Msg #19265 Dated 7:07:13 09-17-91 -> 19296
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: ALL
Re: TIME IN A BOTTLE
I was recently toying with a magical concept, and thought some of
those here on MAGIC! might enjoy it. The concept is "Time in a
Bottle". If you really could save time, and bottle it, what sort of
effects might be possible?
.
One thing I thought of was to borrow a bill, and clearly tear it into
several pieces, and close the pieces into the left hand. The right
hand takes out a tiny bottle, as you bite the cork off, and pour a
couple of minutes into the close left hand. Then recork the bottle (to
save time...) and open the hand to show the bill restored.
Then close the hand, to look at your watch. Mention that you only
poured out a couple of minutes. Which means, that in about 30 seconds,
you'll be right back where you started, which is with the bill torn up.
Interesting concept, although it is a bit hard on the bill. (Which
is, of course, why you borrowed it in the first place...)
.
With more meaning, perhaps, would be the story of your recent trip to
the race track. Your long shot came in second, and in frustration, you
ripped up your tickets, like so.... Then you discovered the winner
disqualified. Fortunately, you brought some extra time with you, and
you haved a couple of minutes to spare! Sprinkle, sprinkle. Restored!
BUT, only for a minute, so quick like a bunny to the window...
Msg #19267 Dated 7:45:08 09-17-91 18862 <--> 19292
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Thanks! I consider it a double honor to know YOU.
Msg #19268 Dated 7:45:13 09-17-91 18877 <--> 19397
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Just bac from Music City at 5am this AM and am a little fuzzy
around the edges. Things are going well down there. Over 400 messages
on the system today. Woaaah. Just wanted to say hello. Will be around
til Oct 7 except for trip to the Big Apple on Sept 26 for a BP gig
in the Village.
Msg #19269 Dated 7:45:20 09-17-91 18878 <--> 19378
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
How can you knock wurst?
Msg #19270 Dated 7:45:25 09-17-91 18879 <--> 19280
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Am happy to be part of IBM team and help put shows on in all these
great cities. Thanx.
Msg #19271 Dated 7:45:32 09-17-91 18891 <--> 19287
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I would of been interested in the lecture on Jaks stuff. The slides
sound great.
Msg #19272 Dated 7:45:41 09-17-91 18939 <--> 19310
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: STUFF FOR ACT
Made some notes on the trip south and will holler back in a few.
Msg #19273 Dated 7:45:46 09-17-91 18946 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BANNON BOOK
You got it right.
Msg #19274 Dated 7:45:50 09-17-91 18974 <--> 21945
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BLAKE CHATFIELD (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Thanks Blake. I'm sorry I missed the broadcast. "Just a magician"??
Msg #19277 Dated 7:46:05 09-17-91 19205 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE ARE YOU?
Ran a day over in the studio. Thanks for missing me.
Msg #19278 Dated 7:46:10 09-17-91 19261 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: NEW H&R LIST
Just got in and List #4 was in the mailbox. Will go over today and
see if any of the stuff I want is still in yo stacks.
Msg #19279 Dated 7:46:14 09-17-91 19107 <--> 19293
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CONNIE HADEN
Yo Geno...Looking 4ward to seeing you in a few weeks. Thanks for your
call the other day. Welcome back to the USA and MAGIC!. We missed you
mucho.
Msg #19280 Dated 7:53:35 09-17-91 19225 <--> 19281
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
In Bolivia, I understand it is the phase of the Sun... when it is
a "full sun" lookout... things are generally slow during half and
quarter Suns.
Msg #19281 Dated 7:53:44 09-17-91 19227 <--> 19297
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Have you tried INSTANT Sanka? You don't need a gold filter, just
hot water.
Msg #19282 Dated 7:53:51 09-17-91 19234 <--> 19303
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Nice try ... to make me think you know who it is... Hit me private
Msg #19283 Dated 7:53:56 09-17-91 19237 <--> 19304
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE A SPE
NBC late news last night say... "Leno, who was on his motorcycle
saw a disabled motorcyclist, turned to help and was struck buy
a third bike... the comedian was more concerned about the condition
of his rare, vintage bike than his leg. He will be on the Tonight
show tonight, even if he has to walk on crutches."
Msg #19284 Dated 7:54:05 09-17-91 19239 <--> 19289
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
If you "READ INTO" the original message where the quote "We have
finally found a way to make money while we sleep" (Sieg talkin')
it would have meant to me that they don't have to do any of the
work... including talk. Possible one reason, too, is that it is
going to be done in AT LEAST TEN LANGUAGES. And Siegfried speaks
NO LANGUAGES (clearly).
Msg #19285 Dated 7:54:16 09-17-91 19241 <--> 19306
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAPEL MICROPHONE
I tried all kinds, and still have TWO "Shure mic bags" full of
adapters... and guess what. I never needed to use them because
everywhere I worked they already had thier own EXCELLENT mikes.
Msg #19286 Dated 7:54:23 09-17-91 19243 <--> 19351
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Close... T A ... why not sideways? You could also have a fan
blowing from the side...
.
Markus Gabriel built (and performed at FISM) a new levitation where
the lady is placed over a gigantic fan, when turned on, it blows (?)
her up, up, and away... It was a little cumbersome looking but
the magic audience thought it clever. Eh?
Msg #19287 Dated 7:54:32 09-17-91 19244 <--> 19288
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Who's material was shown in the projector?
Msg #19288 Dated 7:54:39 09-17-91 19245 <--> 19343
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I may have done this story before, but for the lurkers that are
reading...
My dad was in vaudeville and a big name singing act that he toured
with for a year used to sing song after song, in huge theaters,
and... he was great... and they barely had lights, let alone a
sound system... he sang without a mike, without a megaphone... and
at the end of his act, the audience stood as one and shouted, "we
can't hear you!"
Msg #19289 Dated 7:54:50 09-17-91 19248 <--> 19290
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
And what part does Arnold Schwarzenneger play?
Msg #19290 Dated 7:54:54 09-17-91 19253 <--> 19301
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
OOOPS ... I thought you had written Schwarzkopf... erase my comment.
Msg #19291 Dated 7:54:58 09-17-91 19256 <--> 19350
From: PETE BIRO
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
Thanks. Will call him when I hit the Lottery.
Msg #19292 Dated 7:55:02 09-17-91 19267 <--> 19311
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
I digit... there is a difference, often.
Msg #19293 Dated 7:55:07 09-17-91 19279 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CONNIE HADEN
Get some rest... bwah...
Not a ton shaking, but got to keep haulin and a hootin...
Good to hear Geno back on the planet. If you know what I mean.
Lay back, read slow and be atcha...
Msg #19296 Dated 10:24:22 09-17-91 19265 <--> 19427
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: TIME IN A BOTTLE
"Time In A Bottle!" - That is really a beautiful concept! Thanks for
posting it, Michael! I'm sure there will be some more discussion.
Msg #19297 Dated 10:26:30 09-17-91 19221 <--> 19298
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Ah HA! An eagle on top, eh? That explains it....it's the eagle
droppings that make the espresso so strong!!!
'W.
Msg #19298 Dated 10:28:27 09-17-91 19280 <--> 19299
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yeah, and in Bolivia, if you use a Toppit, you can make the sun set in
the vest.
Msg #19299 Dated 10:28:52 09-17-91 19227 <--> 19300
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
EIGHT O'Clock was in the red bag.
'W.
Msg #19300 Dated 10:29:22 09-17-91 19281 <--> 19307
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
No Sanka, although we do keep packets for guests. But we do have a big
container of Ovaltine around!
Msg #19301 Dated 10:30:20 09-17-91 19222 <--> 19305
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
That's the kind of thing that gives TELEVISION a bad name!!!
'W.
Msg #19303 Dated 10:34:05 09-17-91 19282 <--> 19429
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
OK, if you can't figure it out from this message, then I will hit you
with the name in the _P_rivate _D_omain. Kinda surprised no one else
has taken a shot at naming the guy.
Msg #19304 Dated 10:35:23 09-17-91 19283 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE A SPE
Thanks for the Leno update. Hope we was wearing a helmet. Schuler
should have - and he was getting into a car! What was Leno riding?
Msg #19305 Dated 10:37:35 09-17-91 19284 <--> 19344
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
Will be interesting to see the S&R cartoon. If it catches on big, it
could eclipse the Teenage Mutants and Nathan is at the age where a good
cartoon, especially one based on magic, would be welcome.
Right now, my prime recreational read is a book called "Say Kids! What
Time Is It? Notes From The Peanut Gallery" by Stephen Davis.
Fascinating history of a ground-breaking show.
Msg #19306 Dated 10:42:38 09-17-91 19285 <--> 19425
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAPEL MICROPHONE
My all time favorite mike was an RCA DX-77. It made me sound great and
it was so big that if the audience threw things you could hide behind
it.
A friend of mine says that there are three steps in the evolution of
your career:
1) You use whatever mic they have.
2) You bring your own mic - the one you like.
3) They make sure they have your favorite.
Maybe Tab can confirm this.
Msg #19307 Dated 10:46:41 09-17-91 19299 <--> 19327
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Right! EIGHT O'Clock! Guess I had it confused with Dr. Pepper at 10,
2, and 4. Wasn't there a third A&P brand?
Msg #19308 Dated 11:17:51 09-17-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-53
The fifty-third set of MAGIC! messages - #16000 (August 26, 1991)
to #16499 (August 29, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable
file. The file is named MAGIC-53.TXT. This means that you can now
go to the file area, download this file, and read the fifty-third
volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the
PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed
version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-53.ZIP and is less
than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #19309 Dated 11:35:12 09-17-91 19246 <--> 19312
From: MARVIN STERN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Nope, don't remember it. Is it too terible for you to explain now?
Msg #19310 Dated 11:50:08 09-17-91 19272 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF FOR ACT
Fine. Will talk to you then.
Msg #19311 Dated 11:51:34 09-17-91 19190 <--> 19381
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Sounds like a good idea to me!
Msg #19312 Dated 11:52:53 09-17-91 19209 <--> 19315
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Yes, the quotation marks are used correctly. What is on the cover of
the TIME MAGAZINE in question? I will go out and buy it in hopes that
there is a photo of suitable dartboard-size.
Msg #19314 Dated 12:58:09 09-17-91 -> 19317
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LENO
Just talked to Leno... he is OK and will work Tonight show on crutches.
He said, "watch it tonight, I'll talk about the accident!"
Msg #19315 Dated 12:58:54 09-17-91 19312 <--> 19319
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
As I recall, it was an African native with a bone through his nose.
That should give Pete an opening for one of his famous one-liners.
Msg #19316 Dated 13:32:52 09-17-91 -> 19320
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: IS MAGIC NEXT?
Apparently, Time Magazine has done more than cover Rush Limbaugh and
show pictures of natives with bones in their noses. The cover story
for August 12th was "A Nation of Finger Pointers" and presented the
growing problem of the U.S. as the "home of the dedicated
neo-Puritans." Of particular interest was the discussion of "corporate
busybodies [who are] ingeniously finding new things to ban - all in the
interest of reducing health care costs."
Among other items, they cited a Pennsylvania company that has barred
its managers from riding motorcycles; a Georgia firm that has warned
its employees to stay away from "life threatening activities" such as
cliff climbing and surfing; and a company in Los Angeles that dismissed
an employee for being overweight.
In the same vein, Joel McNally apparently provided a satirical look at
the growing trend toward banning or regulating music - either because
it is too vulgar or too loud - in his column in the Milwaukee Sentinel.
Titled "Police Put Feet Down On Polka," McNally reported that the
Milwaukee Police Department took a tough anti-polka stand, refusing a
permit for the 12th annual Northwest Polka Festival on the grounds that
the festival attracted "undesirable elements" and that it "adversely
affects the health, safety and welfare" of the community.
McNally used the column to deliver a warning about the Parents Music
Resource Center (PMRC), an organization devoted to censoring the lyrics
of songs its members find offensive.
It was suggested that the anit-polka movement might consider a
"no-polka code," symbolized by a red slach through a graphic of an
accordion, or that "polka" and "no-polka" sections be established in
night clubs.
The key concern I'd like to raise is how vulnerable magic would be to
censorship, as, of course, it has been in the past. Magic could easily
be the target of a wide coallition of fundamentalist (and other)
churches, science, and liberals concerned about their children's views
of the world.
Msg #19317 Dated 13:53:41 09-17-91 19314 <--> 19328
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LENO
Very glad to hear Leno is OK. Thanks for the relay of the personal
conversation.
Msg #19318 Dated 14:19:03 09-17-91 -> 19321
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
PETE BIRO
FRED KAPS VIDEO
MAGIC!-NL Tue 17 Sep 91 23:14
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Pete,
Thanks for sharing the Kaps video information with us. Today I
called the firm you mentioned, and I will have it in ca. 3 weeks.
Really look forward to it. Do you know what Kaps does in this
show???
I think Kaps was more than once guest...are the other shows also
available??? Talking about video and magic.......Wonder if there
are any clips from Malini, Ramsay and Okito preserved on video.
Have you ever seen something of them????
All the best!!
Arnaud
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
---
Msg #19319 Dated 16:47:15 09-17-91 19315 <--> 19345
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
I just found an old TIME magazine with some magi within pages...
Dingle, Henning, Mark Wilson, et al... and in it was a clear EXPOSE of
the Aga Levitation. No wonder you never see it any more! har...
Msg #19320 Dated 16:49:02 09-17-91 19316 <--> 19333
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC NEXT?
We will just have to fool them! Or what would be good.... GIVE ALL THE
SECRETS AWAY.... then we would have the fun of starting all over with
new stuff!
Msg #19321 Dated 16:50:04 09-17-91 19318 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
I do not know what Fred did on the Sullivan show. I do know he did it
two times and the second time (I don't know when that was) was when he
did the vanishing candelabra.) John Moehring must have this as he
collected all the Sullivan shows he could get. Ricky Jay now works with
the owners of the rights to the shows and is helping to edit the shows
for a new release of many of the shows. Will keep posted.
.
Just today got a very nice letter from Phoa Yan Tiong. He says he is
now in good health again, but not working so hard. He is nearly
finished with hisnished with his book "Seasons 3" --
Season
correcttijons from line 10 on should be:
finished with "seasons 2" -- seasons 1 and 3 were printed some time
ago. I look forward to seeing it.
Msg #19322 Dated 16:53:42 09-17-91 -> 19331
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: WAKE UP CALL
Will someone wake up Tabby? I know he's home, but he can't still be
asleep!!!
Msg #19327 Dated 20:26:22 09-17-91 19307 <--> 19337
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yes, but Bokar andEiht O'Clock werethe good ones.
'W.
Msg #19328 Dated 20:27:34 09-17-91 19317 <--> 19339
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LENO
Speaking of the Tonight Show, Jonathan Winters will be on Thursday
night with Robin Williams...should be pretty wild. Jonathan is
planning on wearing a Civil War outfit complete with sword!
'W.
Msg #19330 Dated 20:33:10 09-17-91 -> 19332
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Pete,
Re the Carnegie Hall magician, whose name at least
should be obvious to all, I would appreciate it if you
could find some time to post more details on him. I've
always heard that he is a genius and that he is an
excellent card handler, but I've rarely heard any
details. Just what has he created, or what are his
preforming credentials -- even if they are only for
friends? The only writing I have seen by him is the
intro to Vernon's REVELATIONS, which I thought was
excellent. I'm not doubting his credentials, just wish
I knew more so that I could appreciate them. He has
always sort of reminded me of J.D. Salinger, whose fame
seems to grow larger as he does less (for the public).
Pretty Darn curious,
Steve Bryant
Msg #19331 Dated 21:03:17 09-17-91 19322 <--> 19479
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WAKE UP CALL
Tried to sleep a few hours and then up to Baltimore as Ray Mertz was
doing a lecture there. Saw Howie and Cy Kellar. Visited new Magic
shop which looks like it will be nice. They have a good set up for
lecturers. Ray did a fine lecture. Started with a show like he does
at the bar at Forks, etc and then showed all on his stuff. Was quick
to give credit to others who inspired him and where he got ideas and
moves, etc. Everything he went over was in his notes and since he
uses some gaffs, etc had all these made up for sale. His stuff is
sooooo simple, but good and got quite a few oooohs from the all magus
crowd. Ray is in DC tomorrow night and then to Delaware, CT and home.
.
Glo said to tell you hello. Am going to bed for real in a few minutes
and get some real sleep so I can attack the day tomorrow and the rest
of the week to finish my work before heading west in three weeks for
hanging out and hanging in.
.
Will be feeling like myself in the morning I hope and will holler
at you then. See Leno on the TV and he looks ok. Saw on CNN at the
studio about his mishap and thought about you and hoped Jay was OK
whoich he obviously is.
.
Looking 4ward to visit you soon. Take care. Finally got the big
Stewart James book from Howie and am gonna try to carry it upstairs.
G'nite.
Msg #19332 Dated 21:03:39 09-17-91 19330 <--> 19348
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
You doing any writings anywhere since _Seance_ closed up shop? I
miss your stuff.
Msg #19333 Dated 22:41:50 09-17-91 19320 <--> 19347
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC NEXT?
Biro - some days I wonder if you believe what you write! Some days I
even wonder if you READ what you write.
RE: "Give all the secrets away... then we would have the fun of
starting all over with new stuff."
Fine - send me those 24 cartons - clearly, you don't want 'em anymore!
Msg #19337 Dated 22:49:16 09-17-91 19327 <--> 19376
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yeah, seems to me that the third brand was pretty low on the totem
pole, but I sure wish I could remember its name.
Also, I think that some chain here in L.A. DOES carry Bokar - seems to
me that I remember seeing it recently - just don't remember where.
Msg #19338 Dated 22:50:04 09-17-91 -> 19340
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: INSIDE EDITION
I just noticed in the TV listing, Uri Geller is slated to appear on
Inside Edition. Locally it is on Thrusday at 3:00 pm on CBS.
Charlie
Msg #19339 Dated 22:50:37 09-17-91 19328 <--> 19342
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LENO
Jonathan sounds like a man after my own heart (particularly with a
sword!). I've always advocated wearing costumes to work - for example:
if you feel defensive, you should wear armor. Some days deserve a
black leather motorcycle jacket, etc. Hmmm... maybe the World is
beginning to take to the idea - notice how many people lately seem to
dress like clowns?
Msg #19340 Dated 22:54:16 09-17-91 19338 <--> 19358
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: INSIDE EDITION
Hmmm... It is beginning to sound like Geller has a new PR agency.
Which, by the way, does bring up a question about PR agencies - it has
always been my belief that you hire 'em for six months and then DROP
THEM, coast for six months and then hire someone else. The idea is
that they will do their best work for a while and then coast. Also,
you don't want constant saturation. Opinions, anyone?
Msg #19342 Dated 23:07:30 09-17-91 19339 <--> 19355
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LENO
Cut it out...you're giving clowns a bad rep.
'W.
Msg #19343 Dated 23:08:12 09-17-91 19287 <--> 19352
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Now, now, Pete -- try to control yourself.
Msg #19344 Dated 23:09:28 09-17-91 19289 <--> 19353
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
Lynette, of course...
Msg #19345 Dated 23:14:47 09-17-91 19309 <--> 19346
From: T A WATERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
All right -- but you asked for it; the ad showed a Volkswagen floating
on the water (the VW company had a campaign using that notion) -- and
the caption was: If Teddy Kennedy drove a Volkswagen he'd be president
now.
Ah -- I told you it was terrible.
Msg #19346 Dated 23:16:40 09-17-91 19319 <--> 19359
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
As I recall the AGA expose is on a facing page to Mark Wilson doing a
levitation...!
Msg #19347 Dated 23:18:14 09-17-91 19316 <--> 19357
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC NEXT?
A lot of people want to make the world so safe for people that any one
with any soul at all will want to off themselves...
Msg #19348 Dated 23:20:26 09-17-91 19330 <--> 19356
From: T A WATERS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Well -- you COULD look at the entry on him in the ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MAGIC
AND MAGICIANS by some ne'er-do-well.
Msg #19349 Dated 23:29:08 09-17-91 19089 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: THE MAN WHO IS T A
I'm not familiar with the tape, but since it's from Gary it's bound
to be good.
Msg #19350 Dated 23:29:12 09-17-91 19159 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FRED KAPS VIDEO
Hey Geno, where ya been. Is there going to be a Close-up Conclave thi
s year ? I talked to Joe in MD and he said it's up to you. Any
possibilities ?
.
May try to make the 9th trip and maybe see you there.
.
Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #19351 Dated 23:29:19 09-17-91 19208 <--> 19354
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Good decision Stan. As you see from the responses the really good
levitations cost big bucks. The cheap ones, are just that CHEAP. Stay
with the best, and keep in line with what you do. If you only do stag
once in awhile there are a lot of other effects that play much better
.
Remember one thing that Pete said, he mentioned a levitation that
ONLY LASTED about 2 seconds. The problem with most anti-gravity type
effects is that the magi just doesn't defy gravity, HE DESTROYS IT.
No one will ever believe the effect. If you could float things WITH
YOUR MIND or HYPNOTISM or whatever, then WHY WOULD YOU BE WASTING
YOUR TIME AS A MAGICIAN ?? If however, if you merely float something
slightly, then people MAY believe you have a LITTLE power that makes
it happen.
Msg #19352 Dated 23:29:31 09-17-91 19217 <--> 19375
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Ingenious idea David, that would definitely set the tone for the
DMS MAGIC! session.
Msg #19353 Dated 23:29:36 09-17-91 19248 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC FOR TOTS...
Stang und Schwarzenger, vat a team. Wunderbar gag TA.
Msg #19354 Dated 23:32:48 09-17-91 19351 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CHAIR SUSPENSION
Harbin had a great suspension. He had a magic carpet and anything
over it levitated. He did some stuff with threads, etc. then a gal
on a board... funny premise... played well...
Msg #19355 Dated 23:33:51 09-17-91 19328 <--> 19455
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LENO
Does he expect a fight? Thanks for the tip... won't miss that un!
Msg #19356 Dated 23:33:55 09-17-91 19330 <--> 19462
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
I would love to give you lots of stuff on the Professor... but I
am not into remembering effects, creations, etc... other than when
he was a little kid he worked for Himber and invented the linking
finger ring -- among other things.
.
Frankly I have never seen a better excectution of sleight of hand
with cards than his... and have also seen him one on one with one
of the best and never caught deck switches, which I knew were
coming.
Msg #19357 Dated 23:34:06 09-17-91 19333 <--> 19360
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC NEXT?
I'll do anything to get people to start THINKING about their craft.
Then it might become thier art.
Msg #19358 Dated 23:34:11 09-17-91 19340 <--> 19463
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: INSIDE EDITION
Bad method. How can someone even learn about you in six months?
You have to make it a two way deal. You can't rely on ANYONE ELSE
to come up with it all... your personal input and communication
is needed for talented people to feed and work upon.
.
Besides that, I have had the same account for 26 years... and it
sounds like they are re-upping with me for next year already!
Msg #19359 Dated 23:34:21 09-17-91 19346 <--> 19361
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
You got it. Shows you what a little effect exposure really has.
Time goes everywhere and nobody stopped doing levitations... or
sawing in two (which was also shown in detail).
.
It don't matter no how... you just got to entertain 'em. Only
Geller has real power the rest of us are tricksters, right?
.
No? You mean you too? And Randi? And ... no ... don't tell me
that Billy McComb is real too?
.
Argh....
Msg #19360 Dated 23:34:34 09-17-91 19347 <--> 19460
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC NEXT?
Yeah, when are people going to realize they have to be responsible
for their own actions? Like in Mexico... walking down the street
there was a big lump and crack in the sidewalk. Someone said,
"boy they are going to get sued over that" -- the other, a guy that
has been to Mexico many, many, times... said, "NO... the legal
people down here will say you should watch where you are walking!"
Msg #19361 Dated 0:15:35 09-18-91 19319 <--> 19362
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Which was the Aga Levitation, Pete?
Msg #19362 Dated 0:16:27 09-18-91 19359 <--> 19370
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Any update on the Geller lawsuit?
Msg #19365 Dated 0:23:11 09-18-91 -> 19367
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE
ATTENTION!
In a few short weeks I will be travelling to the cities of London,
England, and Florence, Italy.
First -- I know something about the magic scene in London, but want to
know if there is something I simply CANNOT miss.
Second -- and this is the toughy -- does anyone know anything about the
magic scene in Florence? More specifically, does anyone know anything
about the magic scene in Florence where they also speak English?
Let me know. Thanks. And, yeah, I know -- tough break.
Msg #19367 Dated 8:16:26 09-18-91 19365 <--> 19372
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
e: AGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE
Hi Evan! My wife, Hannah, and I just spent a week in Florence, Italy
in July, and while we didn't see any of the magi there, I have heard
there is a magic club in Florence AND in Venice. Hope you have as good
a time as we did! We rented a car in Switzerland and drove to Italy,
which I do NOT recommend! If you'd like any of the hotel or restaurant
suggestions, just let us know. Also, if you haven't heard, just last
week they had another nut case who tried to destroy some of
Michaelangelo's work. This guy took a hammer to the leg and foot of
the statue David. Enjoy while you can, eventually you may not be able
to come close to the stuff!
Msg #19370 Dated 8:32:33 09-18-91 19361 <--> 19371
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
What do you mean "which was the Aga Levitation" -- you mean "how
does it work?"
.
If so, it is the basic rod thru the back of a curtain with a
gooseneck. It rises (hence "levitation" as opposed to "suspension")
via a mechanism behind the curtain that is cranked up.
.
Variations include the mechanisim belew the floor with the rod
coming up behind magician's leg.
.
This is a rudimentary description. There are dozens of clever
variants.
.
The other "basic" is the ASRAH. This is one where the subject is
covered with cloth, rises and vanishes. Subject drops into a table
and is replaced by a dummy wire form. It is thread operated.
.
The Keller is similar to an aga, in that girl rises in view, but
it is done with a grid of 30-60 wires and involves counterbalances
and sometimes under floor apparatus... it depends on set up.
Msg #19371 Dated 8:32:56 09-18-91 19362 <--> 19411
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Don't know ANYTHING bout it and frankly those show biz lawsuits
are something I don't care much about...
The old "I'll offer $1 Million to anybody that can duplicate this
with mentlism, etc." are pure BS. Most of the guys making the offer
don't have the money!
Msg #19372 Dated 8:33:04 09-18-91 19365 <--> 19409
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE
All I know about Florence is that it is the world center for
great leather goods. Unique Studios (out of biz) used to sell
beautiful chop cups made in Florence. You might see if they will
custom make you some Himber wallets? Or maybe not.
.
You might want to go by the Castle Library and check out the
Italian Magic Magazines and look see what is going on.
Msg #19373 Dated 8:33:13 09-18-91 -> 19467
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: JAPANESE ACCESS
Ee;19365
A fellow in Japan has asked me if there is a "DTE address" for
MAGIC! or if he can use a packet-switched network such as TELENET, TY
MNET, etc. If so, he would have an alternative line to which KDD's pa
cket-switched servies (Venus-P) connected. I don't know what all
this stands for but he says it would be affordable then.?
.
Later.
Msg #19375 Dated 9:46:26 09-18-91 19196 <--> 19384
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I suppose that blinding them with the overhead projector is better
than just leaving them in the dark.
Msg #19376 Dated 9:46:37 09-18-91 19197 <--> 19380
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I think she is in a little grass shack drinking Lipton Tea.
Msg #19377 Dated 9:46:43 09-18-91 19199 <--> 19394
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Gadzooks...just think if Tabby changed his first name to Jack...
Msg #19378 Dated 9:46:49 09-18-91 19200 <--> 19391
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Actually, I thought the originator of that effect was a hoochi coochi
girl named lola lota who used to work the Fireman's Carnival each
summer.
Msg #19380 Dated 9:47:08 09-18-91 19203 <--> 19382
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Becki got me one of those little two cups jobs for making cappaccino
or expresso. It works OK but is a lot of work for two cups. Did you
have one of the big copper ones?
Msg #19381 Dated 9:47:17 09-18-91 19204 <--> 19963
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Yeah...I also left out "get your chin in your collar", and a lot of
other stuff best not said here!
Msg #19382 Dated 9:47:24 09-18-91 19212 <--> 19387
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Perculators! That's what wrong with Melitta filters! They don't
say anything....We need to either bring back perculators or have a
tape with that wonderful sound to go along with the coffee smell.
Msg #19383 Dated 9:47:36 09-18-91 19215 <--> 19451
From: BILL WELLS
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: HARMON BAKER
I will get his address for you. Will have to wait until I am home
(in office now) where the database is. We didn't hear from him this
year, but he planned to attend St. Louis last year and cancelled at
the last minute. He always sends a letter along with a bunch of his
latest newspaper clippings.
Msg #19384 Dated 9:47:49 09-18-91 19217 <--> 19385
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
That sounds great! I strongly recommend that you perform said effect
at the MAGIC! session to be held at the 1992 DMS!
Msg #19385 Dated 9:47:58 09-18-91 19218 <--> 19395
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I like it! Did Harlan have to give the guy a buck? Reminds me of
the old Orben joke..."Do you have $5 for a magician's funeral? Here's
$25, bury five of 'em!"
Msg #19387 Dated 9:48:35 09-18-91 19225 <--> 19388
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I don't think the perpetrators in questions stay in one place long
enough or on one subject long enough to tip it! Are you sure the
project will be longer than one line?
Msg #19388 Dated 9:48:47 09-18-91 19226 <--> 19389
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You are correct with regard to the original of the name of the nuts.
I don't know if he ever used them for filler or not. The shell IS
very hard and is actually ground off the nut if I remember correctly.
.
I had not heard that Kona was in such short supply. I haven't been
in Hawaii since 1983 and my supply ran out long ago. I suppose I
could have mail ordered coffee, but never got around to it. Since it
was only grown in that one area on the big island, I am sure the
supply was never really that great. I suspect the water here versus
the water there (essentially rain water filtered thru the volcanic
rock) may have made some considerable different in coffee made there
and here.
Msg #19389 Dated 9:49:17 09-18-91 19227 <--> 19399
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You probably even remember Piggly Wiggly Stores!
I am sure somebody out there must sell Bokar. Keep looking. If you
are unsuccessful, I will bring you some at the DMS. Yes, it is
Four O'Clock that is in the red bag. I will check out the other
names and bags the next time I go to the grocery store.
Have you ever tried Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee?
Msg #19390 Dated 9:49:33 09-18-91 19229 <--> 19481
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
Don't forget to hire a voice, dance, and speech teacher(s) for him.
Msg #19391 Dated 9:49:38 09-18-91 19230 <--> 19398
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Yes...the bonds between the International and the Local chapters are
very, very light. In fact, the Territorial Vice President for the
state is the only link between the two other than those few chapters
who collect dues for their membership and submit them to Bluffton.
Many of the TVPs seldom visit the chapters in their state.
Msg #19393 Dated 9:50:06 09-18-91 19232 <--> 19485
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
My kids seem to want to dunk most everything in milk. Oreo cookies
are a big item for dunking just now.
Yes, donuts are great dunked in coffee. We even have a chain on this
side called Dunkin' Donuts.
Msg #19394 Dated 9:50:18 09-18-91 19233 <--> 19404
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Good thing they didn't ask Tabby his name, you would probably still
be standing there. You know, instead of the pink baseball cap, he
would probably be quite dashing in one of those plumed jobs like Sir
Walter Raleigh wore. Gaelic huh? I didn't think Crabbe was Irish!
Msg #19395 Dated 9:50:31 09-18-91 19244 <--> 19396
From: BILL WELLS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I thought Garcia had used an overhead mirror turned at an angle. I
didn't know he also used an overhead projector. Maybe he stole the
idea from David!
Msg #19396 Dated 9:50:43 09-18-91 19245 <--> 19400
From: BILL WELLS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
That venue for Shakespeare (or most anything else) must have required
some rather dramatic stage waits or unusual emphasis.
Msg #19397 Dated 9:50:50 09-18-91 19268 <--> 19405
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Good thing you didn't need to go to the Big Apple last night or you
woulda still been in Krayburgen unless you drove up there. Still
looking for a bit of spare time. Soccer season just started with
a bang. All three kids are playing and the first games are Saturday.
Yesterday was "rent string instruments" day. They are gonna try to
learn things like cellos and violas. I never knew fiddles got so
big.
Msg #19398 Dated 9:51:08 09-18-91 19269 <--> 19475
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
When they are bangers.
Msg #19399 Dated 9:51:14 09-18-91 19270 <--> 19401
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I hope you are already working on your french for Quebec...and your
Mormon for December.
Msg #19400 Dated 9:51:23 09-18-91 19271 <--> 19407
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The lecturer had acquired Dr. Jaks Book of Magic and most of the
props and build a lecture around that. He had slides professionally
done of the items and they were the best thing in the lecture. I
came away a bit disappointed as I didn't feel Dr. Jaks as a person
provided much material on which to build a lecture. Had the lecturer
attempted to include methods and/or magic in the lecture, I think he
might have widened the appeal considerably. A book was in the making
when I saw the lecture in 1989, but I don't recall seeing that it was
ever published.
Msg #19401 Dated 9:51:47 09-18-91 19281 <--> 19406
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Pete...is that decaf or full strength? ...and what type spoon
should be used to stir it...or does one shake it instead.
Msg #19403 Dated 10:43:13 09-18-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: THE GENII'S INTERMISSION
Ee;19373
Hi Gary,
Glad to see that those guys at the Castle are smart as I thought they
were by reading about your recent exploits in H'wood. Great!
Msg #19404 Dated 11:26:23 09-18-91 19394 <--> 19416
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Though Crabbe is Brit, I suspect that it is a deriv of Krabbe which
is German. Of course, my greatgrandma Fanny Stewart is Scot. Seems
like I read somewhaer that we all descended from a woman in Africa,
Cousin B'wana.
Msg #19405 Dated 11:26:30 09-18-91 19397 <--> 19419
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Sounds like the kidz have you jumping. You're a great guy to be so
involved in their development. My sons visited me in Nashvul over
the weekend. Brent is living at the Sigma Nu house in Athens where
he is majoring in fun and Rob just started grad school in Int'l
Finance which is fun to him. Enjoy the kids while you can as they
will soon be a jump ahead ya'll.
Msg #19406 Dated 11:26:38 09-18-91 19399 <--> 19414
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I have the French and Mormon covered. What language do they speak in
sunny Orlando?
Msg #19407 Dated 11:26:43 09-18-91 19400 <--> 19413
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Dr. Jaks as a person would have been my main interest also after the
magic and the props were covered. I would hope that the book is
someday published. He is still somewhat a mystery to me.
Msg #19409 Dated 13:09:43 09-18-91 19367 <--> 19453
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE
Hotel, restaurant, and other suggestions would be most welcome. We've
chosen a hotel for the seven days we're going to spend in Florence.
But we don't know anything about restaurants, and we MAY be spending a
night or two in other hotels because we're going to be spending four
out of the seven days driving around the region. I rented the biggest
car possible, fearing the worst. But please, tell me what y don't
recommend about driving arod there.
Staying away from the magic club may not be the worst idea in the
world, as this is our honeymoon, and I don't think Jeanne would harken
to to the idea.
By the way, how expensive did you find the day-to-day living in
Florence? Meaning restaurants/entertainment, etc. Actually, is
there any entertainment aside from the museums? Not that you'd NEED
it. Any-who, let me knowour help is greatly appreciated.
PS -- You get to Rome?
Msg #19411 Dated 14:53:19 09-18-91 19370 <--> 19422
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Actually, I wasn't prying for the method (to Aga levitation) but,
thinking about it, I guess it's impossible to tell me what exactly it
is, without telling me the method!
Msg #19413 Dated 16:11:49 09-18-91 19375 <--> 19456
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I ain't got no overhead projector. Must be fo' somone else. If you
ever work a comedy club, the lighting setup (usually a lot of
spots with low ceiling) makes you feel like you are working to a
motorcycle gang!
Msg #19414 Dated 16:11:56 09-18-91 19376 <--> 19415
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Arthur Godfrey probably gave here a Ukelele too.
Msg #19415 Dated 16:10:57 09-18-91 19382 <--> 19418
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I don't miss the sound of the perculator, Bill.
I have a Jackie Gleason cup & saucer...when you lift up the cup, it
says, "How sweet it IS!"
'W.
Msg #19416 Dated 16:12:02 09-18-91 19377 <--> 19420
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Things must be slow back there in the U.S. Fed. Govt. offices.
Msg #19418 Dated 16:12:14 09-18-91 19380 <--> 19436
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Big BRASS with Eagle on top. I still own it... just in storage up
in Gualala with my darkroom stuff. Hope to go get in about a month.
Msg #19419 Dated 16:12:20 09-18-91 19397 <--> 19421
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
The difference between a Cello and a Violin? Violin players have
larger heads.
Msg #19420 Dated 16:12:26 09-18-91 19404 <--> 19432
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Fanny Crabbe? Fanny Flagg?
Msg #19421 Dated 16:12:30 09-18-91 19405 <--> 19433
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Is it to be assumed you did not find Helga's Kitchen?
Msg #19422 Dated 16:12:34 09-18-91 19411 <--> 19434
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Was my explanation clear enough? If you are into books, a good one
to have is the Levitations and Suspensions, published by Mickey
Hades. It is large and red. I think Grant had a book on the subject
as well. New ways to do it are always coming up. Stienmeyer's Pole
Levition (used by Seigfried and Roy) is a new idea. And the killer
that S&R also use... from Andre Kole, with the magi in the Lotus
Position is very unique and original. Roy, of S&R uses this one
floating about 60-feet in the air through a gigantic revolving
hoop that emists bursts of flame!!!! Seem to me S&R do about three
or four different levitations and suspensions.
Msg #19423 Dated 16:15:27 09-18-91 -> 19440
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: ART
Just got back from lunch with Charlie Bragg at Musso's. For those of
you interested in Charles Bragg's world renowned artwork, much of which
is gnome-like, a fabulous new book on his life and work is coming out
next month. It is very well done and profusely illustrated.
'W.
Msg #19425 Dated 16:32:08 09-18-91 19219 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LAPEL MICROPHONE
OK Pete, I've made a note to return the mike I've got and to go to a
REAL music store for the Shure Bros. clip. Thank you.
Msg #19426 Dated 16:45:48 09-18-91 19235 <--> 19441
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CARNEY KNOWS!
Actually, I tried to show one of those tricks to the valet attendant as
I was reading the instructions and waiting for my car.
Msg #19427 Dated 16:52:49 09-18-91 19265 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: TIME IN A BOTTLE
I have in my notebooks a patter for stopping time in the needle through
balloon trick. The idea of course is that you can stop time for the
balloon and prove it by shoving the needle through and then start time
for the balloon again as you pop it. Just a thought I toyed with.
Msg #19429 Dated 19:05:23 09-18-91 19104 <--> 19430
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Well, anyone can show up at the Magic Nights every Wednesday, they're
for the Hilton's customers. As for the SAM meeting, usually not, but I
think they won't mind. I can just see if you weren't let in .... "This
is Pete Biro, he's had his own regular column in Genii, is one of the
general gurus of magic, BUT HE DOESN'T BELONG TO SAM!!!". "Tough,
Pete!". I think you'll be able to get in. If you're interested, for
three dollars on October 2nd at 7:30, Paul Diamond will be giving a
dealer lecture at the Hilton. October 9th will be our regular SAM 112
meeting. Hope to See Ya!
Msg #19430 Dated 19:10:44 09-18-91 19111 <--> 19443
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Ok, then, hope to see you. Usually I can be found there on the 2nd
Wednesdays, when the SAM meetings are held. By the way he's been
talking, you might see Pete Biro there possibly, as well.
The general manager had to go to the Western Coast manager of Hilton
hotels to get approval for this idea. The one point that clinched it
for us was the overall smoothness with which the PCAM (held at the
Hilton) '91 came off. So a big thanx should go to all the attendees
there. I'm thinking about being one of the performing regulars at the
Hilton, but first I have to get over the upcoming Tablehopping
contest...
Msg #19432 Dated 19:58:45 09-18-91 19420 <--> 19473
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
We called her Ma Fanny. No kiddin. No more jokes about my great
grandma!
Msg #19433 Dated 19:58:51 09-18-91 19421 <--> 19446
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Never made it downtown this trip, but looked in the phone book. Is it
called the Soup Kettle? Got all info, paper work for the performing
rights stuff (ASCAP BMI). Do you want it now or should I wait til
december for SLC meeting? Got guy's number who owns P&L mfg rights
in Florida while in Nashville, also David Price's son who can open
his dad's collection iff want. Maybe you can help me with sked for
Music City while in Vegas or Walnut Creek this trip. Nice bunch of
magish in Tennessee.
Msg #19434 Dated 19:59:01 09-18-91 19422 <--> 19447
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
I have the larg red book of Suspensions and Levitations and it is
pretty complete though mostly older stuff. I've enjoyed it. Why not
the Super X? for simple and easy to build?
Msg #19436 Dated 21:34:35 09-18-91 18821 <--> 19437
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Great! Thanks for the advice on the French Drop.
Msg #19437 Dated 21:36:07 09-18-91 18822 <--> 19438
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The Kaps Subtlety sounds pretty straightforward - your description was
very helpful. Will try to get back to speak to Jade when I see her.
Thanks for the help!
Msg #19438 Dated 21:37:43 09-18-91 18892 <--> 19469
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Thanks for the offer of the references. I'm gonna try a few other
little polishes first, then I'll let you know!
Msg #19439 Dated 21:38:45 09-18-91 19018 <--> 19448
From: CINDY SZERLIP
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FRENCH DROP
Y'know, I've been looking for Gary Oullett's book - read about it in a
Canadian magi mag (name escapes me right now). D'you think Stevens
might have it?
Msg #19440 Dated 22:02:22 09-18-91 19423 <--> 19489
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ART
Envy lunch at Musso's... have you eaten at that great sandwich place
near the train station? Forget the name... but it is an olde olde
killer place too.
Msg #19441 Dated 22:02:28 09-18-91 19426 <--> 19492
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CARNEY KNOWS!
Well, at least you had plenty of time "waiting for your car"...hah
Msg #19443 Dated 22:02:41 09-18-91 19429 <--> 19444
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Thanks Scott. Paul is lecturing for us at the Oakland Magic Circle,
and on the 9th will be in Las Vegas watching Lance Burton show
for the fourth time and the 10th Siegfried and Roy for about the
32nd time! ARgh.... one of these wednesdays will swing by and eat?
Msg #19444 Dated 22:02:49 09-18-91 19430 <--> 19493
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Titanic Thompson used to be able to "hope" over a billiard table.
That's where he got his nickname, when some guy said, "That was a
Titanic Jump!" He was not on the ship when it sunk, a popular
theory. Get his book. GREAT READING...GREAT SCAMS...
Msg #19446 Dated 22:03:02 09-18-91 19433 <--> 19686
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Sure 'nuf, will sked help... my forte...
Msg #19447 Dated 22:03:07 09-18-91 19434 <--> 19472
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Super X used to be a staple with many pro's... we did it in the
spook shows. You can use a borrowed kid. You do need help tho in
moving the uprights out of the way... But boy is it easy and cheep
to make.
.
You know a really clever dude could make it one man... by having
some kind of "item" you LEAN on the baord while you move the
uprights out of the way. Although it would be easy to train a
waiter or musician or friend to help. YOu could have a friend in
audience and use as a stooge... don't let on he knows what he is
doing...
Msg #19448 Dated 22:03:21 09-18-91 19439 <--> 19538
From: PETE BIRO
To: CINDY SZERLIP (X)
Re: FRENCH DROP
I speak with Gary Oulette alla time on Compuserve if you need to
know about his books I can ask. I don't know anything about them.
Let me know specific info and will ask.
Msg #19450 Dated 22:03:44 09-18-91 -> 20344
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: ERROR
Message 19444 had the word "hope" in it... SHOULD HAVE BEEN "HOP"...
19449 had "joing"... SHOULD HAVE BEEN "joint".... tired and too many
Oreo Cookies tonight I guess. Typing in the cracks on the keyboard.
Msg #19451 Dated 22:08:11 09-18-91 19383 <--> 19696
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HARMON BAKER
Thanks Bill! What would you guess his age to be? Wasn't he 104 in St.
Louis? Wow! Hope it has something to do with magic!
Msg #19453 Dated 22:11:29 09-18-91 19409 <--> 19474
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE
I'll dig up some information and answer more completely in a few days.
Driving was an adventure all it's own. For some reason, we had no air
conditioning in our car. We picked the car up late at night, and at
the time, it didn't seem like such a big deal. Well, it was a big
deal. Then there is parking, which is about $20 a day, and none of the
insurance companies cover cars rented in Italy. And they go very, very
fast, paying no attention to the lines. It's an adventure, really!
But in Rome? No, I don't think I'd do that.
We didn't get to Rome on this trip, but I've been. There are so many
potential problems with renting a car, as compared to the rail system,
which will certainly get you around. When in Florence, there is plenty
to do in walking distance. You'll hardly ever need the car for
entertainment.
Anyway, this is a honeymoon.
Take a six pack of Bicycles. She'll love you!
Msg #19454 Dated 22:39:55 09-18-91 -> 19496
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
Don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but there was a little blurb
in yesterday's paper about Magic Circle finally voting to admit women.
What took those guys so long?
Charlie
Msg #19455 Dated 23:04:25 09-18-91 19342 <--> 19510
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: LENO
I know - it does give clows a bad rep. And, alas, their profession
requires them to attempt to look different than ordinary citizens - not
an easy task these days! Maybe we shouldn't focus on getting magicians
to srpuce up their costumes - maybe we should focus on getting Joe Q.
Public to dress like magi - sure would make the clowns happy!
Msg #19456 Dated 23:06:56 09-18-91 19352 <--> 19457
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Thanks, Jerry. I almost did it at the MAGIC! session at the last DMS,
but chickened out at the last minute. Will probably go ahead and do it
this year.
Msg #19457 Dated 23:08:16 09-18-91 19384 <--> 19458
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Alright - will do the computer cards effect on the overhead projector
at MAGIC! session at DMS. Gee, first time I've had to do something by
popular demand!
Msg #19458 Dated 23:09:19 09-18-91 19385 <--> 19459
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
THe guy sat down and never asked Harlan for the buck. Which was good,
because I'm not sure Harlan had one on him and would probably have
borrowed it from me.
Msg #19459 Dated 23:10:26 09-18-91 19395 <--> 19482
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
You know, you guys are giving me an idea with this overhead projector
thing - maybe some transparent cards...
Msg #19460 Dated 23:15:30 09-18-91 19347 <--> 19461
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC NEXT?
I'm not quite ready to off myself, and I hope that you aren't either!
I think it would be a better solution to fight this nonsense. After
all, it isn't the first time it has happened, and magic managed to
survive and become better.
It just ticks me off that we are seemingly in a era of social control
over people's lives while we let drug abusers and muggers run
relatively free. And all this of course in the name of health and
saving the planet.
Msg #19461 Dated 23:18:16 09-18-91 19357 <--> 19513
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC NEXT?
OK - then send me the 24 cartons! I promise - I'll think about my art
forever!
By the way, last night I reread the Carney intro. Still don't agree
with a lot, and not sure I buy his art vs. craft approach either. Did
you get the putdown of spontaneous one-liners in there?
Msg #19462 Dated 23:20:35 09-18-91 19348 <--> 19486
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
T A -
Is there any chance that the Encyclopedia will be re-issued? Updated?
Msg #19463 Dated 23:23:26 09-18-91 19358 <--> 19516
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: INSIDE EDITION
How can they learn about me in six months? Well, for starters, they
could read all the PR that the last guy put out!
In truth, the concept you are suggesting of a long-term relationship
seems to work OK for large companies with fairly big budgets. And
someone in-house (if, and only if, they have the right in-house person,
not some dummy) to overview the process. I think it is different for
the little guy who needs the best possible bang for the buck.
Msg #19467 Dated 23:39:36 09-18-91 19373 <--> 19517
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPANESE ACCESS
There is presently no DTE address for MAGIC!, although I have tried
looking into it. But the existing systems make it complex and
expensive on our end. I will try to find the info that I sent Matt at
one point - all about reasonable access from Japan. Hope I still have
it - it will probably take me 'til Monday to find it. If this guy has
a CompuServe address, let me know and if I find it I will send it
directly to him - meanwhile, hope you can keep him on the hook - we
really NEED a good Japanese connection, and clearly, Matt ain't it!
Msg #19469 Dated 23:44:58 09-18-91 19387 <--> 19470
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I've heard that the project is longer than one-line. I've even seen a
couple of lines of it myself. I hope it is moving along, but I'm not
the one to ask about it - I'm as much outside it as you are.
I have heard, however, that the recently got the cooperation of the
Chinese government in exhuming the remains of the Chinese Troupe, but
that the family is still objecting.
Msg #19470 Dated 23:47:00 09-18-91 19388 <--> 19471
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I think I remember something about John Macadam using the shells as
part of his product - at least when he paved Hawaii. Don't know for
sure, though.
It is definitely the water that makes the difference in the taste of
Kona coffee between here and there. What puzzles me is that doesn't
seem to explain the superb taste of French coffee! I have had some
recent communications with some folks on the Big Island and the info.
about the coffee there being "cut" comes from them. By the way, NEVER
ask for Turkish coffee in a Greek resturant!
Msg #19471 Dated 23:50:28 09-18-91 19389 <--> 19518
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
YES, we've lived near and used to shop at many a Piggly Wiggly store!
Also Wynn-Dixie. I'm going to keep looking for the Bokar now that
you've reminded me of it.
I have tasted, and love, a particular distillation of Jamaican Blue
Mountain coffee - can you name it?
Msg #19472 Dated 23:56:23 09-18-91 19422 <--> 19478
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Define for me, if you would, the difference between "leviatations" and
"suspensions." Inquiring minds want to know.
Msg #19473 Dated 23:57:58 09-18-91 19394 <--> 19522
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Tabby is, of course, quite right - the British Crabbe line including
George Crabbe, the famous 18th Century poet. But the
Tabster has a great deal more than one line in him.
Msg #19474 Dated 0:03:23 09-19-91 19453 <--> 19501
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE
Thanks very much, Michael, I'm looking forward to hearing more details!
No insane rush -- we're not leaving for a couple of weeks. So many
Dthings to DO! Finish wedding plans, finish honeymoon plans, have
mother-in-law bumped off... The weeks will be full!
Msg #19475 Dated 0:05:58 09-19-91 19391 <--> 19476
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
I think it is somewhat disappointing that the ties between the
International and the local chapters are as light as they are. When
I joined IBM I just assummed that the local chapter would be told and
that I would get an invite to it. Turned out not to be the case. You
know, computers could make the information transfer back and forth a
breeze - we just need to create the climat in which it is desirable.
Msg #19476 Dated 0:08:19 09-19-91 19398 <--> 19523
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Bangers are wurst than a knock on wurst, they are downright
interlopers!
Msg #19477 Dated 0:05:35 09-19-91 -> 19497
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: YOUR REVIEW
T A:
Just read your review in this month's GENII of the Erdnase book.
It is, if I may say so, the first review I've read yet that didn't
sound like a puff piece. The review was remarkable for its candor; for
the effort you made to make the piece a true analysis, rather than a
"liked it or not" review; and for your end comments, which do nicely
let the reader know some history that makes the whole thing seem
cleaner and fair. Nicely done.
Msg #19478 Dated 0:10:39 09-19-91 19345 <--> 19487
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
What do you mean terrible ? I happen to think that's a terrific idea
for a commercial !
Msg #19479 Dated 0:10:46 09-19-91 19331 <--> 19505
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WAKE UP CALL
Got a flight from Ontario to LV for the 9th, will be in about 8pm
and back out at 2am Thurs, just enough time to hang-out for awhile
see you there.
Msg #19481 Dated 0:24:07 09-19-91 19390 <--> 19709
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
You'll have to meet him in order to decide if he needs voice, speech,
and dance instruction. Usually, he corrects MY grammar and syntax!
Seriously, he is quite pompous about his ability in English, although
in the past couple of weeks he has been refusing to speak Spanish and
I haven't a clue as to why.
By the way, Nathan turned three years old today!
Msg #19482 Dated 0:27:10 09-19-91 19396 <--> 19484
From: T A WATERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
It's amazing just how much stage business you can invent when you have
to -- but most of the trains only took about a dozen seconds or so to
go by.
Msg #19484 Dated 0:28:19 09-19-91 19400 <--> 19511
From: T A WATERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
From what I have heard, Bluemle still intends to publish it. I knew
Dr. Jaks in his last year or so on the planet -- and there are a few
mysteries. One thing -- Bluemle does not really believe (or didn't,
though I have told him) that Jaks had THREE different books at various
times, with different effects in them. After Jaks died and Felix
Greenfield got the final book, Felix hired me to spend a day or so
explaining the stuff to him.
Msg #19485 Dated 0:30:25 09-19-91 19393 <--> 19528
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Oreos are an excellent cookie for dunking, as are most chocolate chip
cookies, except for the soft kind. I don't think we have any Dunkin'
Donuts on this side, but we do, of course, have a ton of donut shops;
after all, we have a large police force.
Msg #19486 Dated 0:32:28 09-19-91 19462 <--> 19498
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
I have continued to work on it, and at some point in the vague and
cloudy future intend to issue a revised and much expanded version; not
in the foreseeable future, though. Wait -- should a mentalist say
that?
Msg #19487 Dated 0:35:40 09-19-91 19362 <--> 19490
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Oddly enough, I just a few minutes ago was looking at the current
Scientific American. which has a piece on the lawsuit; it is so slanted
I'd think it was from the Skeptical Enquirer. The writer seems to
think it is about whether Geller is genuine or not -- and that ain't
it; it's that Randi has made claims about Geller -- that he caused a
scientist to commit suicide, that his stuff is "simple tricks from the
back of cereal boxes" -- that isn't true. Randi's got this notion that
all he has to do is prove Geller is a fake and he will win the suits --
but that isn't necessarily the case (pun intended).
Msg #19489 Dated 0:38:52 09-19-91 19440 <--> 19529
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ART
Place near the railroad station is named Phillipe's. In addition to
being a great sandwhich place and one of the oldest on-going resturants
in Los Angeles, they also have a historically significant neon sign of
a type not made any more. Did you know that a runaway TRAIN once went
INTO the place?
Now, have you tried The Pantry?
Msg #19490 Dated 0:40:25 09-19-91 19478 <--> 19499
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
I keep forgetting that there may be others whose taste is as bad as my
own.
Msg #19492 Dated 0:42:56 09-19-91 19426 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CARNEY KNOWS!
That explains it! I left the Diamond demo a bit after you did and,
when I tried to show the valet one, he said, "I've already seen it."
Msg #19493 Dated 0:46:25 09-19-91 19430 <--> 19531
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
I don't get up to Concord a lot, it isn't as close for me as it is for
Pete. Interesting that approval for magi in the resturant had to go
above the general manager. But, if you guys do a good job, maybe the
high level visability will open other Hiltons to the idea.
Msg #19496 Dated 0:52:15 09-19-91 19454 <--> 19509
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
Wow! If this is for real - this is MAJOR NEWS! Supposedly, in the
last couple of elections, it was the folks OUTSIDE the British Isles
who kept voting to keep the Circle men only - they felt it added to the
charm. Gee, I wonder if the Circle's being hard up for cash had
anything to do with the decision?
Msg #19497 Dated 0:55:46 09-19-91 19477 <--> 19525
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOUR REVIEW
Thank you for the kind words. In view of the generally uncritical
acceptance of the book, I felt there was some need for another view of
it.
Msg #19498 Dated 0:56:47 09-19-91 19486 <--> 19506
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Thanks for the info on a revised/updated Encyclopedia, T A. I think it
is OK for a mentalist to say "not in the foreseeable future" as we
assume that he or she is just being kind to ordinary mortals. Besides,
not all mentalists are precogs, are they?
Msg #19499 Dated 0:57:15 09-19-91 19472 <--> 19502
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Generally speaking -- with a suspension the floatee does not move; the
supports are completely or partially taken away and the floatee remains
in position. In a levitation the floatee goes UP from wherever --
couch, table, chair -- and back down -- or in the case of ASRAH, into
da ether.
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