MAGIC! - 60 The following was compiled from the magician's message section of MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! is an electronic communications system for magicians. It may be accessed from any personal computer with a modem by dialing US 818-896-7450. New registrants must leave a comment with their name, address, phone number and a brief resume of their magic background to be considered for membership. The material herein should be treated as confidentially as other magic information. Copyright 1991 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved. (Note: Message #19500 was personal and does not appear here). Msg #19501 Dated 6:17:35 09-19-91 19474 <--> 19508 From: MICHAEL AMMAR To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE I have a cousin named Quido. He's a sloppy packer, but he does do mothers-in-laws... Msg #19502 Dated 7:12:19 09-19-91 19447 <--> 19504 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LIMBAUGH In the Paul Osborne Book III there is a really clever idea for a one man suspension called the "Hade-E-Table Levitation" where the mechanism is desguised as a large magic table. The performer, of course, must remain in position once the effect starts, but it looks like it would be rather good and the "supports" drop out of the way via a magish controlled mechanism. Designed by Micky Hades with a little help from Paul Osborne. Msg #19504 Dated 7:12:36 09-19-91 19472 <--> 19521 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: LIMBAUGH Think about it. Msg #19505 Dated 7:12:41 09-19-91 19479 <--> 19526 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: WAKE UP CALL Good, Jerry. See you there. Msg #19506 Dated 7:12:45 09-19-91 19486 <--> 19515 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT I have a copy of your _Encyclopedia of magic and Magicians_ and have used it often. I'd look forward to a revised and expanded version at whatever point you decided to do it. Msg #19508 Dated 9:02:45 09-19-91 19453 <--> 19541 From: PETE BIRO To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE One of the points brought up in my divorce was "combining visiting magicians on our Honeymoon" -- C A U T I O N Msg #19509 Dated 9:02:52 09-19-91 19454 <--> 19532 From: PETE BIRO To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE ARE YOU SURE? What tookem so long? Probably a gaffed ballot box! Msg #19510 Dated 9:02:56 09-19-91 19455 <--> 19542 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LENO I certainly hope I don't offend TOO MANY HERE.... but have you noticed the "new generation" of Clowns coming out of the Clown School (Ringling Bros.) ARE NOT FUNNY. There is something strange. Mebbe it takes too long to develop the real funnyness in circus clowns and running 'em thru school doesn't do it. . Kinda like buying a trick, reading the instructions and putting it into a show in a month or two! IT TAKES YEARS TO GET STUFF DOWN. Msg #19511 Dated 9:03:08 09-19-91 19457 <--> 19512 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS "POPULAR DEMAND" ... One guy asks about a trick and you call that (see right above). AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH Msg #19512 Dated 9:03:14 09-19-91 19459 <--> 19527 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS Howza bout the 3 shell game? Msg #19513 Dated 9:03:21 09-19-91 19460 <--> 19514 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? It is unbelievable to me how many people out there are "regulators" and "do gooders" -- where do they make their living? Or are we supporting them with taxes? Argh... . Stuff worked so good in the GOOD OLD DAYS... and it is so screwed up today, when it should be smoother and easier... we got better tools. I guess it just goes back to the basic FAMILY AND SCHOOL. . A black guy in Washington has come up with a killer theory and it has been PROVEN. Other cities are jumping in (albiet TOO SLOWLY). But he figured in the Ghetto cities, Detroit, etc. and almost all INNER CITY schools the young 3rd to 6th grade black BOYS go to hell because they do not have fathers at home (the majority) and they do not have male teachers. They have women running thier lives and they rebel. This guy brought in successful black men to assist in the classrooms and the black youngsters changed 180-degrees. Got interested in the studies, quit screwing around in class and started to learn things... . They just were great, they wanted to IMPRESS the teacher (the male one) as opposed to HASSLE the woman! . I hope this guy really gets someone BIG TIME to pay attention! Msg #19514 Dated 9:03:47 09-19-91 19461 <--> 19544 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I guess it is your Unalienable Right to DISAGREE with what is being PROVEN CORRECT. Read it again as if it was a study and you are to learn what he say! Y'all hear? Msg #19515 Dated 9:03:54 09-19-91 19462 <--> 19537 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT ON CD ROM? Msg #19516 Dated 9:03:5 09-19-91 19463 <--> 19545 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION I know some very successful "star" race drivers (Danny Sullivan and Mario Andretti for example) that have had a single PR person for years and years... they really know what to do and how to make it work. . The "CLIENT" has to have a PR sense as well and must exert some push once in awhile... it goes two ways... and if you are good you are good. If you have MEDIOCHRE (which is a new watercolor, similar to Yellow Ochre) help you will get what you pay for. Msg #19517 Dated 9:04:11 09-19-91 19467 <--> 19648 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: JAPANESE ACCESS Whoops... might be Matt... His full name is Mitsunobu Matsuyama 72161,106 If he is NG, forget it, I will reply to him in the negative next time he drops me a line. Tsk. Msg #19518 Dated 9:04:19 09-19-91 19469 <--> 19519 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW One of them had a ring through his/her cheek! But no rings larger than 2.5-inches were found. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Msg #19519 Dated 9:04:24 09-19-91 19470 <--> 19520 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Turkish coffee in ANY restaruant requires Industrial Strength dental floss to regain the use of your mouth. And I don't know what will restore your taste buds, other than the natural healing process. As famed old race driver, Loyd Ruby once said about a sore "dick" "Only cure I know is to leave it alone!" Msg #19520 Dated 9:04:32 09-19-91 19471 <--> 19546 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW In the South there is a string of "Majic Markets" owned by a guy with the perfect Southern Name: Dillard Munford. Met him one time, he almost got into Indy Car racing but it was too rich for his blood. The Indy Car guy he was hangin' with was a magic nut, Lindsay Hopkins. Msg #19521 Dated 9:04:40 09-19-91 19472 <--> 19530 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: LIMBAUGH Not wanting to be a nasty fellow... but read the words. Do not read the next line until you think for a moment, OK? . Levitation means to float and rise and fall, or just rise and whatever... vanish, etc. . Suspension means to float in a stationary position. Hence, Chair Suspension... etc. Harbin HAD the best suspension ever... UNTIL BLANEY came up with his, to which Harbin commented, "This fellow has done me one better" . Levitations are usually performed in a full stage/theater set up as they require big time hidden devices. Such as Large Cranking type apparatus either off the stage at the side with cables and pulleys, or behind a curtain attached to the Cradle (which the subject lays on/in) or wires/threads going up to FLIES which raise and lower, etc. Some even require holes in the stage floor to mechanisms below. . One very clever lad I have worked with even has built a huge stage upon the stage, sort of a three level rising platform. It looks normal as the scenery etc. make it logical. He has his mechanism in that... and his AGA moves forward. . In the new Thurston book (hurry and buy one at $100, they are going out of print and will be valuable very soon) the details of his ASRAH (the form under cloth with thread) is explained very well, as is the Keller version, girl in view, hung by many wires. You will see the enormous equipment involved. Byron Walker was helping to move the crank for a Keller Levitation out of storage and it took FIVE GUYS to lift it.... . Christian Fechner (in his $300 book -- now out of print) supplies full scale blue prints to build his levitation... which is incredible in that half the gaff is on your own body. You wear a special brace that goes down your leg and hooks into a bar stool with a killer mechanism. He levitates himself up off the stool in the most convincing manner --- I have seen it on TV where the camera goes fully around him as he floats above the bar stool! . Yogano Jr., at our St. Louis IBM convention did a levitation of a scantily clad lady (his sister) up on a clear plastic platform (the platform was ungaffed, only used to get the effect upoff th stage for better effect and visibility). He has devised an AGA type that he can walk on stage WEARING... I T I S A K I L L E R B E Y O N D B E L I E F . . . . . SO... MONEY NOTWITHSTANDING there are some great things STILL BEING DEVISED... by people that have great imaginations and the right resources. Msg #19522 Dated 9:05:31 09-19-91 19473 <--> 19653 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO I take that as a personal offense! Msg #19523 Dated 9:05:36 09-19-91 19475 <--> 19524 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION The post office would do the same thing. It is just that they are too lazy. The Linking Ring magazine, actually, is the real bond. It should be used MORE for the Linking of the organization. Altho the RING REPORTS are a great incentive. Msg #19524 Dated 9:05:43 09-19-91 19476 <--> 19548 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Boy do I miss Bangers for brekkie... got to go back to England. Ricky Jay just flew over to appear on the TV Show "Secret Cabaret" on which Stienmeyer is one of the technical geniuses involved. If you ever get a chance to see a tape of the show... do it. It is very wonderful in all ways. . Why something like this cannot be done in the USA I don't understand -- wait, I do... with Rosanne in No. 1 you should understand. Msg #19525 Dated 9:05:55 09-19-91 19477 <--> 19533 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Right on Evan... T A reviews are very good. I think he is the only reviewer that A) Reads the books, and B) Knows the history. Msg #19526 Dated 9:06:00 09-19-91 19479 <--> 19735 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: WAKE UP CALL I think the show starts at 11:00, so you got a couple of hours to make your travel money back! Har. Msg #19527 Dated 9:06:06 09-19-91 19484 <--> 19543 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: VIDEOS What is (if anything) is Felix Greenfield doing these days? Boy, I sure remember a lot of the older N.Y. guys were really into the magic scene... which shifted to Hollywood with Vernon... I guess. Also, did Johnnie Benzais pass away? When? What? Just heard that. Msg #19528 Dated 9:06:13 09-19-91 19485 <--> 19657 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS Someone in art once met Salvador Dali, the great abstract painter. Dali asked "where are you from" the person replied, "Los Angeles" to which Dali said, "I remember Los Angeles... tell me, do they still have that gigantic Donut along the freeway?" Msg #19529 Dated 9:06:21 09-19-91 19489 <--> 19539 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ART Yup been to the Pantry. Reminds me of a story. When about six or seven years old, we had a building next door to our house that was close enough so you could work your way up between the walls to the second story.... There was this VENT to the Pantry... (what a segue) to the kitchen of this old biddie next door... so in a GHOST VOICE I yelled INTO THE PANTRY VENT.... "I want to be cooler... I want to be cooler" (It was a hot day)... and WHAMMO ... I got hit with a bucket of water. She saw me out another window and answered my request!!!!!!!!!! . Regarding Phillipes... when the train hit... did they order 300 Pastrami sandwiches TO GO.... Msg #19530 Dated 9:06:36 09-19-91 19490 <--> 19534 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATES (X) R: LIMBAUGH It must be too much Turkish Coffee... abstain a while and your taste may improve... Msg #19531 Dated 9:06:43 09-19-91 19493 <--> 19659 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT If you have ever met the Managers at many hotels, you will know why they have to go upstairs for OK's.... most of them are just out of the Hotel schools.... and don't have decision making authority. Msg #19532 Dated 9:06:50 09-19-91 19496 <--> 19637 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE I would guess that Berglas, being a cool dude... and wanting to bring the Magic Circle into the 19th Century (first) had something to do with it... Msg #19533 Dated 9:06:57 09-19-91 19497 <--> 19549 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Regardless of the Accuracy, or Innacuracy of The Man Who Was... it still makes great reading. It is too bad about some of Jeff's commentary and moaning about various people creeping in. It should not be there. . Just like all the pictures in the beginning of the Dante Book of the author... it looks like a tribute to the author when you first get into the book. . I recall seeing a fabulously produced Press Book at the Indy 500 on one of the teams some time ago... and the first three pages in it were about the Press Agent!!!!!!!!!! Nobody cares about him... they want the driver/team info... Msg #19534 Dated 9:07:12 09-19-91 19502 <--> 19547 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LIMBAUGH I remember that one. I almost started to make one. The idea could be good for a funny presentation... you tell the KID that he might be too heavy for the table. You need to get him onto the table for say, sawing him in half? And tell him to hold still. Then the table starts to wobble... you tell him to hold still, if he breaks this $5,000 table he is in trouble.... You get the saw, etc. the kid (you cue him) starts to wriggle... . AND WHAMMO.... THE TABLE FALLS APARD AND COLLAPSES ON THE FLOOR BELOW HIM... he appears to be floating in the air.... . You panic, etc. I think you could stand the saw vertically and hide the gaff (this is not in the original this is my idea) And you go around the kid and start to pick up the pieces and put the table back together.... etc etc. . Good effective one man set up... . Copperfield should go for this... will send to him.... Msg #19536 Dated 9:07:41 09-19-91 -> 19587 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: BOOK FOR SALE Ee;19503 Any one interested in 'EVER SO SLEIGHTLY' by Steven Minch, on Martin Nash's card work? I just found I have two of them. Current price is $30... first offer of $15 takes it and I pay postage. Msg #19537 Dated 9:07:48 09-19-91 19506 <--> 19553 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT Maybe you could bring it to T A and he could mark in the revisions for you....Msg #19538 Dated 9:36:31 09-19-91 19439 <--> 21940 From: WAYNE POWERS To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: FRENCH DROP If not, you can certainly order it direct from Guy Camirand at the Camirand Academy. (Let me know if you need the address). 'W. Msg #19539 Dated 9:41:18 09-19-91 19440 <--> 19555 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ART Y'mean the Original? 'W. Msg #19540 Dated 11:40:17 09-19-91 -> 19556 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: ALL Re: I'M BACK! Just a note to let everyone I'm still here. I got back from a week in Albuquerque last weekend. Found two nice magic shops. One I've already mentioned was "Fool's Paradise". The other was called "Pyro's". The owner, Pyro, has a used book store near the UNM campus and has about two full bookshelves of used magic books. In the back he has a complete line of juggling supplies and your typical magic showcase. His major emphasis is on juggling, but he's finding out that his magic sales are growing all the time. Nice guy, if you ever get there, tell him I said "hi". Other news: Shigeo Futagawa lectured here last night. He is the author of "Introduction to Coin Magic", assisted by Arnold Furst. Arnold accompanied him as a "translator", although he speaks english quite clearly, some of US don't speak clearly enough for him, so Arnold translates our "American" English into Japanese. He will be lecturing at the Magic Castle this sunday the 22nd. Although his work may not be "earth shattering", his quiet demeanor and clear presentation of a large variety of material ranging from ropes to coins and cards, makes a lecture well worth seeing. He has lecture notes available, and although they are sketchy, they do at least accurately reflect the lecture material. And, yes he did allow videotaping. Interesting note, on the cover of his book, the hands in the photo belong to Las Vegas' own Daniel Cros. Pete: I liked your comments on MacDonald's Aces enough to dust off my Vernon book and give it another try. It's amazing how much is in print if we only took the time to READ IT! David: Of course I'll be at Lance's show on the 9th. Looking forward to getting together again. If you're coming to Comdex, I'll be there too and maybe we CAN have a Magic! get together with whoever else is there. Michael hasn't mentioned yet if he has a client, but as it did last year for CES, he just may get a late call. Michael, are you listening? I'm trying to get into HIDA but unless I can register at the door for a reasonable Exibits Only rate, I'll have to wait outside. If you want to say "hi", give me a call. Maybe we can find time for dinner this time. 435-4748 Bye for now! David (the other one) Msg #19541 Dated 11:45:15 09-19-91 19508 <--> 19557 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE Who do these people think they are? They marry a magician, musician, actor, agent, scientist, whatever.....somebody who lives the life 24 hours a day. This is part they find exciting and then whammo. It's (no Dave, I won't say the horse word) BS. You meet an other on a gig and then years or months later they resent the part that drives you ambitionally, mentally, or socially. People have too many children. Heard any new traveling salesman jokes lately? Msg #19542 Dated 11:45:26 09-19-91 19510 <--> 19558 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LENO Clowns have become GENERIC. There is no respect for clowns anymore. Emmett Kelly brought great respect to clowndom. The Ringling Bros. clowns in those days had IDENTITY. Everybody does the car gag now and wears big shoes. Ronald McDonald is the only clown everybody knows and the makeup is the identity not the MAN behind it. Where's that broom and the spot guy? I'm sweeping up and going home! Msg #19543 Dated 11:45:34 09-19-91 19512 <--> 19559 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS Ray Mertz does a great three shell game using some cool handmade peas that his pal from the FORKS makes. He uses three little brass caps for shells. I think he said made by a buy in Buffalo who makes his Okito Boxes. Nice turning. I WANT A MILLING MACHINE!!!!! Msg #19544 Dated 11:45:40 09-19-91 19513 <--> 19560 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? They need more guys in the teaching profession. The world has it all wrong and the big salaries should go to the teachers. I taught school in the 1960s and my base pay was 3,450 a year. I liked to teach (was teacher of the year two years running and then QUIT) as I could make more money playing piano on the road. Doesn't make any sense, does it? Msg #19545 Dated 11:45:50 09-19-91 19516 <--> 19561 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION You always pay, and you do get what you pay for. Good PR, photos, bio, printed material, video, telephone promotion doesn't COST in the long run it PAYS. Guuys get some friend to take photos and expect great work for nothing (unless of course the friend is a world class photog, but how many people are friends with Richard Avedon or Pete Biro). It kills me. A good photo costs at least 500 bux for a clean head shot. Sometimes you GET LUCKY but mostly you get what you pays 4. Msg #19546 Dated 11:45:59 09-19-91 19519 <--> 19562 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW A sore Richard here's a band in Atlanta called Little Dick and The Swinging Richards. Guy was laughing but I dont GET it. Msg #19547 Dated 11:46:04 09-19-91 19521 <--> 19551 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LIMBAUGH Brilliant constructors like John Gaughan and Walter Blaney give me hope that nice guys do stand a chance of finishing well in the race of life. Thurston book is OUT OF PRINT and only a few dealers have some copies. I know Charlie Randall has a few (where I got mine) and Howie had one copy he was trying to sell the other night. While the book is a little DRY it will be treasured in years to come by most of the buyers. I thought the Christian F book was 600 bux? Msg #19548 Dated 11:46:13 09-19-91 19524 <--> 19564 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Rosanne is #1? Dude. Msg #19549 Dated 11:46:17 09-19-91 19525 <--> 19550 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW I am SO GLAD that the likes of TA Waters is the official reviewer in Genii. I agree with Pete. TA obviously read every word of both boox in question and even did some prying into the copious footnotery in The Man.....Genii has taken some giant steps in the past two issues. Current issue which I bought at magic shop (my sub takes 4ever) has a great cover and great stuff. The Harkey column this month is KILLER. Msg #19550 Dated 11:46:26 09-19-91 19533 <--> 19565 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Pete, how is the Dante book?: Worth getting? Guy is holding a copy for me at 51 bux. You want it? Lemme know as I've gotta let him no. Msg #19551 Dated 11:46:31 09-19-91 19534 <--> 19563 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LIMBAUGH The routine you just described for the Had-E-Table is great and the bit about leaning the saw up to hide the gaff is BRILLIANT. Maybe when I'm old enuff I'll do an act and will get YOU to routine it for me. GREAT!!!!! Msg #19553 Dated 11:46:54 09-19-91 19537 <--> 19568 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT Great idea. If TA will mark all the stuff, make notes in the margins it will be a great collectors item a hundred years from now. Only prob is that I'll have to live to age 146 and all the men in the family so far only make it to early fifties before the ticker quits. Am trying to cram all of life into what I got and figure I got about 10 years left to ROCK AND ROLL. Yowsuh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Msg #19555 Dated 13:53:17 09-19-91 19539 <--> 19574 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ART Orignal what? You got to add a key word so I know the original reference... I use IMP and cannot go "B" back, to see what the question was... sorry... Was in ref to restaurants? If wuz, I don't know who or what was or was not original? Even Original Joe's in San Francisco is at a new place. And has new owners! Can anyone be trusted? Msg #19556 Dated 13:53:27 09-19-91 19540 <--> 19660 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: I'M BACK! Funny Futagawa story. Arnold was translating inaccuretely to the point even Futagawa noticed it and we all wound up laughing so hard we nearly all wet our pants. Msg #19557 Dated 13:53:33 09-19-91 19541 <--> 19571 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE I have NEVER heard a travelling salesman joke. I guess they have just slipped on by me. Lots of "blonde" jokes going around, but I refuse to keep them in circulation as I think they are offensive. . Yeah, I don't get it "who do they think they are" Amazingly so many partners in a marriage figure to change the other... and it is what they WERE that was so good. I know. I speak. I hurt. Msg #19558 Dated 13:53:43 09-19-91 19542 <--> 19576 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LENO Bozo the clown has even been franchised! I sure used to love the masters... Emmett Kelly, Linon... the guy with the little dog... Msg #19559 Dated 13:53:48 09-19-91 19543 <--> 19577 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VIDEOS How many mills can a mill maker make if a mill maker could make mills. . I guess you is going to have to get a Mill and Lathe when you hit Music City... You should see the Okito... er O'Biro Coin Box I was going to have Haden make for me... but he retired and moved. I just got out my Connie Haden SILVER cups for the Cups and Balls and polished them... BBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEutiful. . TAB-BRO Co. will have to get cracking! Msg #19560 Dated 13:54:01 09-19-91 19544 <--> 19578 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? It must make sense to the white house otherwise they would change it. I guess the presidents we have had in the recent past never really WENT TO SCHOOL. Msg #19561 Dated 13:54:08 09-19-91 19545 <--> 19579 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION No questione kimo savey... (I spell it my way, never agreed with "kimosabe") anyway... killer photography takes more than "Ok, stand over there" snap. It takes planning study and past knowledge. . I had set up an appointment with Johnny Thompson and Peter Samerjan (who did Cher, and many other really big stars, Jonathan Winters, etc) and BY PURE LUCK, CHANCE, Samerjan saw Tomsoni on TV the night before. When John got there and Samerjan discovered it was the crazy Polish magi he saw on TV... he said, "I've seen your act and I know just what the pictures should be like!" . Needless to say they were outstanding. . The guy I had do mine charged over $1,000 a setting! (Of course using the "you owe me" theory, I was comped!) He did owe me. Msg #19562 Dated 13:54:25 09-19-91 19546 <--> 19580 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I named a group, "Captain Fantasy and his Privates" once, but they didn't use it. Everyone else laughed. Msg #19563 Dated 13:54:30 09-19-91 19547 <--> 19566 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LIMBAUGH I was only guessing at the Fechner book cost, as I got it from the man himself as a gift. Same with all the Albo books. I would not have them (I think) if I had to pay for em... as good as they are though, I probably would have figured a way to buy them. Msg #19564 Dated 13:54:38 09-19-91 19548 <--> 19654 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Yeah, the TV ratings blow my mind sometimes. Msg #19565 Dated 13:54:42 09-19-91 19550 <--> 19570 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW I will some day later, when am flush, buy the Dante book from Byron. This book will be around for awhile I am sure. There are too many others I need to catch up on that I MUST HAVE... argh.... . I GOT TO GET MY DBASE GOING and list the books. I bought one last night from By and got home...already had it!!!!!!! Duh. Msg #19566 Dated 13:54:51 09-19-91 19551 <--> 19572 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LIMBAUGH I hate to brag... but I really think the idea of using something, like the saw IS BRILLIANT... APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE... I would love to work on a stage act and have directorship... I am hoping to be able to get that kind of thing going with a MAJOR ACT to vault Jade into the big time... . We just need the scratch! Got to make the point. . I also would like to see a Keller type levi with a "self" job... you float up vertically, stand there and rise... . My ZIG ZAG CONCEPT: You turn the box Sideways... it is not a zig zag, but a box you put a GUY into to saw into three. You saw thru one part, then the other... and the middle FALLS TO THE FLOOR. . Just pic the zig zag on saw horses and the limit of travel reaches the floor! . Is that a killer or what? Msg #19568 Dated 13:55:17 09-19-91 19553 <--> 19585 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT After you finish ROCKIN' AND ROLLIN' you coult try bringing back the Fox Trot. Msg #19570 Dated 14:26:34 09-19-91 19533 <--> 19582 From: EVAN KATZ To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Re the "great reading" the Erdnase book makes, I have only this to say. The general dearth of magical scholarship should not make us over accepting of shoddy magical scholarship. Msg #19571 Dated 14:35:19 09-19-91 19501 <--> 19575 From: EVAN KATZ To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE I have actually spoken with your cousin. Your assesment of his skills seems to be relfected in his rates -- he offered to pack us for next to nothing, but wants a RIDICULOUS amount of money to bump off the mother-in-I tried all your suggested negotiating strategies -- when I "flinched," he merely raised his rates even further, having obviously read the same book. I finally argued that he would be doing good for humanity at large, and thus the social good of his act should be reflected in his fee, but, alas, he took this to mean that there were hidden benefits in the job he hadn't forseen, and raised the price even more. If you speak to him, kindly tell him he's priced himself out of the market. Meanwhile, you-know-who still lives and breathes. CUT TO: INT. COURT ROOM -- MONTHS LATER Evan Katz is on the witness stand, the PROSECUTING ATTORNEY in the middle of an intense cross-examination. PROSECUTING ATTORNEY Are you saying, Mr. Katz, that your mother-in-law's death is an ACCIDENT?! EVAN KAYZ That's exactly what I'm saying. PROSECUTING ATTORNEY (turns to judge) Your honor, may I introduce into the record transcripts from the wildly popular computer BBS, MAGIC! As the Judge nods his assent, CLOSE ON - EVAN KATZ He knows his fate is sealed. FADE OUT: Msg #19572 Dated 14:42:00 09-19-91 19504 <--> 19573 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LIMBAUGH No. I get paid for that! Msg #19573 Dated 14:43:44 09-19-91 19487 <--> 19581 From: EVAN KATZ To: T A WATERS (X) Re: LIMBAUGH Oh dear, I hadn't realized the suit was that. I was hoping that it WOULD have been about Geller being a fraud. Let's hope at least that Randi will be able to introduce evidence that Geller is a fraud in the course of the lawsuit. May I assume that the suit is a defamation or character or slander suit? Msg #19574 Dated 15:52:46 09-19-91 19555 <--> 19598 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ART The Original Pantry in downtown L.A. is what I was referring to, Pete. Greatest place in the world for a Grade B steak at three in the morning! 'W. Msg #19575 Dated 15:56:13 09-19-91 19557 <--> 19597 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE I was married to a woman who I met at a gig (a debutante ball, she was the deb) and years later she had me wearing a tie and playing a desk. Bleeeech! Anyway, I decided to quit and go back on the road where at least I could feel alive. You guessed it, she divorced me. Took the house, cars, kids, everything...even my self respect which has taken years to get back. After eating so many s**t sandwiches I never developed a taste for em though I still like bread. Msg #19576 Dated 15:56:22 09-19-91 19558 <--> 19638 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LENO The clowns were what made the circus so much fun for the young and the young at heart. Even Clarabelle on Howdy Doody was a great clown depending on who wore the suit. The seltzer bottle bit (I don't know who first thought it up) was a scream. Lots of kids grew up wanting to be clowns, and like I said, there was much respect attached to the profession. Msg #19577 Dated 15:56:31 09-19-91 19559 <--> 19600 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS I hear you. I sent a long letter out to Conrad Haden about a week ago and HOPE to hear something back from Mrs. Haden re: his health etc. It would be worth it to me to make a visit to Florida soon as I can go, but don't know how long he'll hold out as he was born in 1902 and that puts him about twice asol as me. I guess breathing silver dust didn't hurt him much. Am scared to try to wait til 1994 when we (IBM-GOBN) will be in Orlando for the big show. I told him I was a friend of yours and to check with you if he wanted to check me out to see if I's AOK and not a PIKER (that's piker not picker). Msg #19578 Dated 15:56:41 09-19-91 19560 <--> 19630 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I think the guy we got now must of gone to charm school. Did you see him at the Grand Canyon yesterday? which is usually socked in with SMOG. It was a clear day and he's taking credit for it. I love it. Actually, I don't. Msg #19579 Dated 15:56:48 09-19-91 19561 <--> 19601 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION Over the years of fighting with bands on getting good photos (most get some girl who thinks she is a photog and one of the guys wants to well, you get the picture) I've learned that some amateurs have a dec ent eye for composition, it takes a lot more than that. Understanding lighting, film speed, depth of field, focal length, shutter speed is still only part. It is the SOUL OF THE PHOTOG that you pay for. Just like it is the soul of the artist, actor, magician, musician, ad infinitum that you pay for. It is RESPECT. Most artists do what they do for the LOVE of it and the money is only an offering to the gods. Worst thing about what I call talanted amateur photos is the lack of proper facial lighting and hair lighting. Anyone who want s to have promo pics done needs to look at work by top guys in fan magazines, etc and check out the facial lighting and then look over the portfolio to see. It takes talent to get the full range in a B&W head shot. Most are dismal gray or washed completely out. But YOU know this already so what am I raving about. Dunno. Just a raving lunatic today. Gotta shoot lots of frames too. Msg #19580 Dated 15:57:03 09-19-91 19562 <--> 19649 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW The Swinging Richards is a real group. My fave group name is one I probably can't mention without having Dr. Frog screaming down my neck. Almost made me want to come out of retirement just to use the name in country music....T.C. Roberts and The Butthole Surfers.. I'm gonna get kicked off now, I can feel it so I might as well enjoy MAGIC! while I can. The BH Surfers is a real group who plays NYC so I couldn't really use the name, but I liked it. Somehow it would fit. Msg #19581 Dated 15:57:14 09-19-91 19563 <--> 19583 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LIMBAUGH I got a call from Glenn Brown in Canada who I just made a very special table for. Took five months. He said he's in on a BIG BOOK on the FFFF at the Forks and that it was gonna be great. Said he'd comp me a copy no problem. Am looking 4ward to that one for sure. I wish I'd of bought the Albo books when they first came out but was too rich for my blood. They's outa sight now. When I get rich am gonna think about buying. I have a couple of the paper backed suplements and they are great for reference. The one on German Magic has lots of Conradi stuff and the tables I have are represented therein. Neat-O. Msg #19582 Dated 15:57:25 09-19-91 19565 <--> 19596 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Even in my somewhat limited library I've already duplicated myself seeveral times. I don't have a list, don't know how many I have, don't have time to catalog, but fmaybe after the move when I get then all in one room I can catalog as I put on the shelves. Would like to index them too. Wonder what happened to the MAGIC! project guys who were gonna look into doing the IMPROVED POTTER INDEXing? Would be interested in helping with this one as I have a few books I could chip in some time to catalog. TA would be great at this like he has any time with his projects. Msg #19583 Dated 15:57:35 09-19-91 19566 <--> 19626 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LIMBAUGH You is killing me now. Put the ZIG ZAG on it's side and saw and she drops. WOW. Call it the ZIG SAW with respects to Robert Harbin of course. Jade definately has the poise and the look to go BIG and with this kind of stuff YOW!!!!! Tony Roi has the poise, look, and sex appeal to go big in magic (only he's a singer). Am taking my buddy with MCA by Atl City next week coming back from the big apple after the Bone Pony thing in the city. BMI tells me that we make .43 per album to split. Am looking for platinum. Then WE IS SET and Tab-Bro is rocking 4 sure. Platinum is 1,000,000 in sales. Am glad I hung in and never QUIT working for my dreams for 25 years. Only got a few more miles to go up the mountain and can smell the fresh air from here. Tony Roi gave me a great book called _The Game of Life_ which am trying to get copies for all my friends. Written in 1925 but is a new edition so must be around in some New Age shops somewhere. Little red book. Will send to you when I find some. Helped me change negatives to positives in less than a week. You HELP me too at least as much. THANKS A MILLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Msg #19585 Dated 15:57:58 09-19-91 19568 <--> 19645 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT What makes a Fox Trot? Green persimmons! Msg #19587 Dated 17:44:42 09-19-91 19536 <- From: GENO MUNARI To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BOOK FOR SALE I'll take it. Geno PO BOX 98177 LV NV 89193 Msg #19591 Dated 20:17:35 09-19-91 -> 19593 From: GARY PLANTS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: KAPS Pete, thanks for the info on the Kaps video. I ordered it the minute I read the message. This should be the Homing Card and the Salt Pour, if I am correct. Thanks again. Msg #19592 Dated 20:19:11 09-19-91 -> 19594 From: GARY PLANTS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: KAPS I have the three appearances of Fred Kaps on the Sullivan shows. If I have the orders of the shows correct, 1) Manipulative Act with many appearing canes throughout the act. At one point he pulls a rabbit from a cane. At the end he does multiplying candles and finishes vanishing a lit candelabra. 2) This I think was the same show the Beatles appeared on. Kaps did the Homing Card and the Long Salt Pour. 3) An older Kaps does some great card manipulation and ends with his presentation for the Chinese Sticks. Msg #19593 Dated 20:29:40 09-19-91 19591 <--> 19913 From: PETE BIRO To: GARY PLANTS (X) Re: KAPS Glad you got it coming... they also had the Borga I and II, I got the II coming, which has the "Phonetic Punctuation".... talked to Mr. M in vegas today... going to work with him on putting a Kit together for Slick Ace work and routines. He has several belly strippers he has just made too. Let me know if interested. Or call him. Msg #19594 Dated 20:31:15 09-19-91 19592 <- From: PETE BIRO To: GARY PLANTS (X) Re: KAPS Any chance to borrow the Kaps tapes? I am the complete fan and have never seen the Candelabra performed, tho Fred showed it to me in his house. Was a killer technically! Msg #19595 Dated 20:32:00 09-19-91 -> 19664 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: 1500 PLUS Yikes, I just went over 1500 sign ons.... argh.... bye for a month while I recover Phone bill-itus.... argh...... Msg #19596 Dated 20:32:53 09-19-91 19570 <--> 19603 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW OK, if you say so... Msg #19597 Dated 20:32:58 09-19-91 19571 <--> 19599 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE Take here on a train ride. Msg #19598 Dated 20:33:03 09-19-91 19574 <--> 19658 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ART I think I been there... there are some gooooood places. The worst culture shock, tho, was when I moved out of the Financial District in San Francisco (my office) to LONG BEACH... the bet restaurant in Long Beach then was a Copper Penny! Needless to say, I started to go over to my mother's house to eat lunch. Or packed one! Msg #19599 Dated 20:33:11 09-19-91 19575 <--> 19717 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE Well said, MOFO.... Msg #19600 Dated 20:33:16 09-19-91 19577 <--> 19611 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VIDEOS Agree... Haden is one of our national treasures! As is Danny Dew, Vernon, et al.... just got Stan's Square One and Carney Knowledge in the mail today, along with four audition tapes. Carney should be REQUIRED READING for all... . Oh, Cindy... his first two routines, COINS ACROSS, one no gaff, are musts for you to study. Great plot and handling. Msg #19601 Dated 20:33:27 09-19-91 19579 <--> 19612 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION Nice to know that YOU KNOW... so many do not... I do not have the final skills in that field so lay it off on those that do. And I get nasty comments from friends wondering why I won't take thier pix, since I am a professional. . They don't know. . I have beat the pants of $3000 a day NY photogs trying to cover action, but can't even wipe their lenses clean in a studio doing faces/fashion... Msg #19603 Dated 20:33:50 09-19-91 19582 <--> 19614 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW T A 'IS' CATALOGING the Castle Lib... but on a MAC. Tsk. Msg #19607 Dated 20:34:15 09-19-91 From: PETE BIRO To: ER Re: THANKS FOR THE INFO... AU was terrific effect.... great comedy routine. The look on the guys face when he picked up the suitcase and it "went off" was priceless! Be in touch.... adios.... Msg #19611 Dated 21:05:53 09-19-91 19600 <--> 19629 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS I took a look at the Carneycopia the other night and MUST get it soon. Am waiting for The Berg Book from Joe Stevens and a pile of stuff from Charlie. I always enjoy going through Charlie's lists and he's always got several things that I want for the library. Have been getting more and more into research as my interest in building grows. Rudy came over tonight and since he had turned me on to the TA Tapes and wanted a Chet O' Destiny I put one together for him made out of cedar to look like an old treasure chest. It is a lkiller effect with the emphasis on presentation. We gaffed up an oyster shell, a shellac covered CRAB and a clam shell for the top part. I had been wanting to put one together and I owed Rudy a favor since he was kind enuff to pick up THE FROG at the airport and work for me at the IBM convention in Baltimore. Rudy has the TA tape but isn't much of a constructor so I basically helped him by cutting it out like a KIT and then helping with the hard stuff. I had a couple of ideas on it myself and this gave me a shot at trying. He was very happy and now he OWES me again. Jim Lewis is lecturing in DC next monday and he offered to drive me up for the session which I may do depending on how caught up I am. Almost midnight here on the right shelf and I'm SLEEPY so will probably hit the sack in a few minutes as I have a ton of work to do. Have the last 10 or so tables ordered in various stages and want to have a clean slate by the end of the mo nth. Msg #19612 Dated 21:06:15 09-19-91 19601 <--> 19631 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION I can get some pretty good candid shots but the studio lighting is way past me. I used to take the photos at Gilley's for album liners etc and shot The Judds first promo shots using reflectors for fills in their dining room before they got the big deal. My shots were the first they used while going for the big time. Nothing like the heavy studio guys can do though. I've just learned over the years by watching and paying attention seeing what works and what doesn't. Msg #19614 Dated 21:06:31 09-19-91 19603 <--> 19632 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Is that a BIG MAC? or what? Msg #19617 Dated 21:13:30 09-19-91 -> 19673 From: STEVE BRYANT To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: WRITING Tabby, Thanks for asking. Yes, I am writing. Will get back to you on this as soon as the project can go public. Don't mean to be mysterious here, just hate to talk about anything until it's finished. -- Steve Bryant Msg #19618 Dated 21:56:59 09-19-91 -> 19665 From: GEORGE L WILLIAMS To: ALL Re: MOSCHEN ON LETTERMAN Juggler, Michael Moschen is Letterman tonight. Msg #19619 Dated 22:0:04 09-9-1 From: GEORGE L WILLIAMS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: PASSPORT Thanks David, no rush. Just wondering if my Post Office had lost it. Msg #19621 Dated 22:48:51 09-19-91 -> 19634 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: T A WATERS (X) Re: ERDNASE I enjoyed your review of the Erdnase books in Genii very much. I have to admit that I also thoroughly enjoyed reading _The Man Who Was Erdnase_, although I don't think that they provided enough evidence to prove their point. It did seem at times they were pushing evidence and making assumptions, sometimes stretching, to prove their point. I found one discrepancy between the two books (and Darwin pointed a couple more out to me). In particular with regards to the book that Jay Marshall showed to Andrews sister-in-law, the Whaley book states that Marshall said that the book he showed her was thicker than the book she remembered Andrews working on (page 303). In the Ortiz book, an appendix contains Martin Gardner's original article in which Gardner states that Marshall was told by the sister-in-law that the book Marshall showed her was thinner than the book she remembered (page 261). Darwin also pointed out to me several other discrepancies between what Whaley wrote in his book, supposedly based upon various letters, and what the letters actually said. Again, as I stated above, I thought the Whaley book was a good read. I was just a bit disappointed that more direct evidence, actual letters and such, was not given instead of the author's interpretation of them. Charlie Msg #19624 Dated 22:50:33 09-19-91 -> 21946 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: BLAKE CHATFIELD (X) Re: DURANGO Durango was where I was born. My parents lived in Cortez at the time, but my mom liked the hospital in Durango better. Beautiful area. Charlie Msg #19625 Dated 22:51:00 09-19-91 -> 19669 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER Thanks for the tip about Winters and Williams on the Tonight Show. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Don't know if I ever thanked you enough, but meeting Winters was a truly fantastic experience. Thought of you the other night. Went over to some friends' house on Monday night to watch the Oilers beat-up on the Chiefs. Friend, whose name by the way is Jay Marshall - not the Magic Inc. one, said he had a beer he wanted me to try. Turned out to be Anchor Steam. Apparently the liquor store two blocks from my house sells the stuff! Charlie Msg #19626 Dated 23:08:39 09-19-91 19530 <--> 19627 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LIMBAUGH No - I think it's that Balkan Sobranie tobacco... Msg #19627 Dated 23:10:39 09-19-91 19573 <--> 19628 From: T A WATERS To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: LIMBAUGH All of the suits are, as I understand, libel suits. I am curious about your comment, though -- it almost seems as though you are saying (or maybe I am reading this in) that because Geller is probably (not certainly) a fraud, then he ought to lose? Msg #19628 Dated 23:13:15 09-19-91 19583 <--> 19636 From: T A WATERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LIMBAUGH Considering what happens in the presentation, I think you ought to call it a ZIG SAG... Msg #19629 Dated 23:16:29 09-19-91 19527 <--> 19640 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS I don't know what Felix and Johnny Benzias are doing, as they are both dead. Johnny died quite some time ago in a car accident; Felix somewhat more recently. There's a lot of terrific magic in Benzais' book that I have never seen anyone else perform. Msg #19630 Dated 23:20:06 09-19-91 19544 <--> 19642 From: T A WATERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I quit high school to enlist -- got my high school and college GED equivalency degrees. From what I have seen, my 10th grade education back then was better than four years of college is now. It is pretty scary. Msg #19631 Dated 23:22:38 09-19-91 19601 <--> 19647 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION In Hollywood photography is a racket; people who own a Kodak disposable think they can do decent stills -- and, unfortunately, get young kids who don't know any better to believe it too. Msg #19632 Dated 23:25:37 09-19-91 19533 <--> 19633 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW I'd have had no argument with the Whaley Erdnase tome had it been presented as what it is -- speculation; but it wasn't. Msg #19633 Dated 23:27:08 09-19-91 19603 <--> 19656 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Whaddya mean, tsk? I am using Filemaker Pro, which is the best database program I have encountered in either Mac or DOS environments. Tsk you seff. Msg #19634 Dated 23:31:01 09-19-91 19621 <- From: T A WATERS To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: ERDNASE There was, in fact, a lot more that I could have put into the review regarding discrepancies and other stuff -- but it was already at 1500 words, and I figured if I hadn't made my point by then... Msg #19637 Dated 0:21:11 09-20-91 19532 <--> 19714 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE Besides, Berglas was getting tired of appearing in _Her_ Magesty's Court over this, no? Msg #19638 Dated 0:22:19 09-20-91 19510 <--> 19639 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LENO In truth, I haven't noticed the trend. Most of my clown friends didn't graduate from Ringling. Probably clown school dropouts or something. Will have more to say on this after the 29th - Nathan is co-performing with a clown. P.S. - There are several schools and camps for clowns, Ringling isn't the only one these days. Msg #19639 Dated 0:33:57 09-20-91 19576 <--> 19666 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LENO I'm not completely sure who thought up Clarabell's seltzer bottle bit. The writer was Eddie Kean, the original Clarabell, begining in February, 1948, was Bob Keeshan, and the original seltzer bottle, according to legend, was brought from the home of the producer, Roger Muir. Bob Keeshan was Clarabell until Christmas Eve, 1952. He was the ringleader of a cast fight for higher salaries and, along with the other dissidents, was either fired or quit (depends on who you talk to). The second Clarabell was Bob Nicholson. He was Clarabell from the end of 1953 until January of 1955. He did not like the role and asked to be replaced. Lew Anderson became Clarabell in 1955 and remained Clarabell until the final show on Saturady, September 24th, 1960. He was also Clarabell in a couple of revival attempts in the 1970's as well as in later Clarabell appearances on talk shows, etc. Now - for the question - what did Bob Keeshan go on to become? Msg #19640 Dated 0:58:36 09-20-91 19511 <--> 19641 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS EXCUUUUUSEEE MEEE! *T*W*O* GUYS ASKED FOR THE EFFECT! Msg #19641 Dated 0:59:46 09-20-91 19512 <--> 19688 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS Yeah, the 3 shell game could be done on an overhead, but I don't know if the projector would add a dimension to the effect. You have some idea forming here? Msg #19642 Dated 1:05:05 09-20-91 19513 <--> 19643 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Yep, I think many of 'em sup at the public trough. We just have to make sure that magic doesn't become a target - and I'm quite serious about this. With neo-Puritans you have to remember the poem The Hangman. Msg #19643 Dated 1:06:57 09-20-91 19514 <--> 19644 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Don't become a demigogue, Pete. I have every right to disagree with him and his essay does NOT "prove" anything. Msg #19644 Dated 1:09:03 09-20-91 19630 <--> 19670 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? T A - I'm not sure that even you know how scary the education system is. I once served on a faculty comittee to evaluate the merits of a literacy exam for admission to the DOCTORAL PROGRAM. The debate centered on whether we should use the 10th grade norms or the 7th grade norms. The problem was that, based on the students already IN the program, we would be losing too many candidates if we used the 10th grade standards, but we were scared stiff that there would be a problem if the press ever found out that we were using the 7th grade ones. I forget which we finally adopted. Msg #19645 Dated 1:13:46 09-20-91 19515 <--> 19646 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT CD-ROM for the Encyclopedia of Magic and Magicians is a great idea, Pete. Why don't you suggest it to T A? Msg #19646 Dated 1:15:08 09-20-91 19553 <--> 19680 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT One more item on the list, Tab - same ticker problem in my family. Msg #19647 Dated 1:16:01 09-20-91 19516 <--> 19725 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION Hmmmm... Guess I've always had mediocre; they just didn't charge that way. Msg #19648 Dated 1:20:14 09-20-91 19517 <--> 19726 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JAPANESE ACCESS Yep - that's Matt! Nice guy, but doesn't seem to be the guy we need. Msg #19649 Dated 1:21:26 09-20-91 19518 <--> 19650 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Have you considered the demise of telephone rings? After all, they were "linking rings" right up until they went electronic and became assorted chimes, beeps and burps. Msg #19650 Dated 1:22:59 09-20-91 19519 <--> 19651 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I have had Turkish/Arabic coffee prepared by masters in Arab shooks in Israel. I don't know about your taste buds, but I could drink that stuff forever! Only my heart and my neural wiring would give out! Msg #19651 Dated 1:25:05 09-20-91 19520 <--> 19652 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Yep, I know Majic Markets. I'm tryin' to think of the old time franchise stores that were in small towns that didn't have Piggly Wiggly's and Winn-Dixies, but it is late and my mind is melted. Maybe Wells remembers the ones I'm thinkin' of. Msg #19652 Dated 1:27:35 09-20-91 19580 <--> 19681 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Indeed, I am not finding this conversation particularly interesting, but I think that "Butthole" in this context is actually probably acceptable, as I believe that it is the name of a real surfing location in Hawaii. Msg #19653 Dated 1:35:28 09-20-91 19522 <--> 19685 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO You take my message that "Tabster has a gread deal more than one line in him" as a personal offense? Hmmmmm..... Zis could be ze start of zee breakthru - Zi obercoming uf your defensive attitudes. Msg #19654 Dated 1:37:33 09-20-91 19523 <--> 19655 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I must admit that I don't read all the Ring Reports every month. But I do read a few of 'em. Msg #19655 Dated 1:38:42 09-20-91 19524 <--> 19706 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I miss Croisants and French Coffee/Cafe Express for breakfast. Also REAL lcal cheese in Switzerland. Don't miss bangers all that much, but could handle kippers. Scones you can keep. Msg #19656 Dated 1:42:26 09-20-91 19582 <--> 19682 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Let me make a suggestion for after the move - find a student in the Library Sciences department - they work CHEAP. And they are generally quiet around the house - no muss, no fuss. Seriously, they will be happy as clams to index your library for you for less than you might think. The MAGIC! project is lurking right now - pending the software release that will let the committee discuss it without boring the members who aren't into it. Should be soon. Msg #19657 Dated 1:45:31 09-20-91 19528 <--> 19713 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS The giant donut is still there. It is one of the last buildings of its type and I think there is a group fighting for it to be granted Historical Landmark status. I very sadly miss the other unique examples of California Roadside Vernacular Architecture. Msg #19658 Dated 1:50:13 09-20-91 19529 <--> 19668 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ART Apparently, the train made a big impression on Phillipes. The Panty has only been without a customer for 7 seconds since 1928. Msg #19659 Dated 1:52:29 09-20-91 19531 <--> 19740 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT Most of the "general managers" in hotels generally have a couple of years on 'em. "Night managers," etc. usually are hotel school dropouts with about 30 minutes of experience in the hotel business. Msg #19660 Dated 1:58:15 09-20-91 19540 <--> 19661 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: I'M BACK! Good to see you back, David! And THANKS for the info on Shigeo Futagawa's lecture. I'm hoping to make the Castle one, but will be at a party that morning, so may have to cut it close. Will definitely look forward to seeing you at the Lance Burton show on Oct. 9th. Msg #19661 Dated 2:00:05 09-20-91 19556 <--> 19919 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: I'M BACK! Will not be at Comdex, but may be at CES. Msg #19664 Dated 2:08:05 09-20-91 19595 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: 1500 PLUS YEP - Far as I know, you is a clear THIRD in the number of signons! Congratulations on hitting the 1500 mark! I also believe that we have either just hit or will very soon hit a grand total of TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND SIGNONS TO MAGIC! and we're pretty close to THIRTY THOUSAND MESSAGES. Msg #19665 Dated 2:11:38 09-20-91 19618 <--> 19674 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: GEORGE L WILLIAMS (X) Re: MOSCHEN ON LETTERMAN Thanks for the info on Moschen, George. Appreciate it. Think I've already missed it though. Msg #19666 Dated 3:20:30 09-20-91 19639 <--> 19672 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LENO Y'mean, ASIDE from Captain Kangaroo? Hmmmm..... 'W. Msg #19667 Dated 3:24:30 09-20-91 19626 <--> 19704 From: WAYNE POWERS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: LIMBAUGH Ahhh...the elusive Yenidje leaf!!! 'W. Msg #19668 Dated 3:27:09 09-20-91 19598 <--> 19738 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ART Gee....Copper Penny always reminded me of the food "Mother Used To Make"...of course, in this case, we're referring to Ma Barker! 'W. Msg #19669 Dated 3:30:17 09-20-91 19625 <--> 19676 From: WAYNE POWERS To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER Yes, they were both really "ON" last night...I gotta find out what became of Jonathan's sword....he didn't have it on the show....I know he planned on wearing it.....perhaps Fred DeCordova didn't trust him with a weapon! (Probably a wise decision!) Delighted that you have discovered access to the ol' brew! I imagine you're gonna be wearing out two blocks of sidewalk near your house...totin' the ol' Anchor!!! Just remember...it's not only a world class brew, but it's also harmless to the trade deficit! Now... ...because this is a public message, my contract requires me to say... "Nothing Beats A Bud...MAN!" Always great to hear from you, Charlie. 'Wayne. Msg #19670 Dated 3:38:29 09-20-91 19644 <--> 19677 From: DOUG SMITH To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? There a lot of influences on education. I west that much blame can be put into the group called "administrators" that allow inferior teaching to be used. Are you aware of the video tape that was show on a Sunday night of teachers in a North Milwauukee high school. After the tape was shown, then the administrators took action. I have horror stories of teachers allowed to stay in the classroom because the administrator refused to rock the boat. Although I am still effective i am considering taking early retirement from a district going downhill because of a court case that only owrries about racial makeup in the classroom and not about the needs of the kids. My top two school administrators always seem worried if you might get recognition that might make an individual look good. ...My wife just says it is time to "get repotted." Msg #19672 Dated 3:45:06 09-20-91 19542 <--> 19678 From: DOUG SMITH To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LENO Have you had the chance to see Steve Smith(no relative) perform in a one man sho He was advance man forRingling and has been head of their Clown College. He has some good magic in one of his routines. He isthe very best. When discussing clowns, remember that anyone can try. Unfortunately, they do not very often pay to get indivdual lessons on style, presentation, or performing. Every year when the family did an act we worked with the local magic shop owner in organizing and planning the act. Which then made a tight peformance. We were not great but good enough to be rehired by everyone that had n interest in having a grup like ours.(Some affairswere only one shots like grand oppenings and 50th year in business. Msg #19673 Dated 6:30:56 09-20-91 19617 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: STEVE BRYANT (X) Re: WRITING I hear you. Loose lips sink ships. I said that to a kid the other day and he said "Huh?" Will be looking 4ward 2 it. Msg #19674 Dated 6:31:01 09-20-91 19618 <--> 19751 From: TABBY CRABB To: GEORGE L WILLIAMS (X) Re: MOSCHEN ON LETTERMAN And I almost watched Letterman too. Wish I had stuck around for a few minutes. Msg #19676 Dated 6:33:21 09-20-91 19625 <--> 19768 From: TABBY CRABB To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER At the start of the Tonight Show last night I told Gloria that Winters would be wearing a Civil War uniform. She said "Right!".. Msg #19677 Dated 6:33:26 09-20-91 19630 <--> 19679 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I'm not sure why, but there is something really wrong with the edu system and it is scary. A few local areas around are trying, but for the most part NO. Maybe it was more parents were really involved with their children years back. Is it tv? Rock music? Drugs? I don't think so. I think it is apathetic government and lack of population control plus low self esteem. Msg #19678 Dated 6:33:36 09-20-91 19639 <--> 19683 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LENO Everybody knows what happened to Keeshan after the Clarabelle role. Now, the real question is, what did Mr. Greenjeans do before he got the role of the Captain's dry witted sidekick? Msg #19679 Dated 6:33:41 09-20-91 19643 <--> 19715 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? What's a demigogue? Msg #19680 Dated 6:33:46 09-20-91 19646 <--> 19724 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT Yeah, and remember You are OLDER than me!!!!! Msg #19681 Dated 6:33:50 09-20-91 19652 <--> 19687 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW You mean "Butthole" is the name of a real place in Hawaii? Glory be,. And I thought those guys were just being crude. Maybe they ar real surfers from Butthole, HI. Msg #19682 Dated 6:33:56 09-20-91 19656 <--> 19734 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW That's a good idea, Dave. I am interested in the indexing project and think it is too good to let go by he wayside and am glad to hear it is still perking behind the scenes. Let me know what I can do to help. Msg #19683 Dated 6:34:03 09-20-91 19672 <--> 19719 From: TABBY CRABB To: DOUG SMITH (X) Re: LENO I haven't seen Steve Smith do his one man show but did have a girl friend once who went to clown college. Msg #19684 Dated 7:52:27 09-20-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: CY KELLER (X) Re: MERTZ LECTURE Hi Cy Thanks for saying hello the other day in Baltimore. I enjoyed meeting you and wanted to welcome you to MAGIC!. I know you'll enjoy it. tabman Msg #19685 Dated 7:55:01 09-20-91 19404 <--> 19705 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO Cousin B'wana really liked to just be called Cousin B...and she much prefered that over her real name of Australopithecus erectus. . You know, there is an English magus named Anthony Crabbe. Are you related? I figured you had a kilt in the closet. Probably came down the Valley in one of the big Scot/Irish migrations into Virginia. Msg #19686 Dated 7:55:21 09-20-91 19405 <--> 19693 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NEW COIN IDEA You kidding! My kids are already about three jumps ahead of me. I really enjoy being involved with the kids, I just wish I had more time. Coaching the kids baseball team last spring was one of the most rewarding things I have done in quite awhile. Scouting is rewarding also but a bit more indirectly. Ain't nothing like shiftin g the infield and having the batter hit directly where you put 'em. Great to hear that you saw your kids. Will being in N'ville mean you will see 'em more often? Msg #19687 Dated 7:55:42 09-20-91 19406 <--> 19689 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW In Orlando what they are speaking depends on the season...but don't worry Steve Bryant is gonna translate for us. Msg #19688 Dated 7:55:51 09-20-91 19407 <--> 19698 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VIDEOS From what little I know of Stanley Jaks (mostly from the Bleumle lecture), he had a somewhat confused and less than happy life. I suspect that there will still be quite a few mysteries even after the book is published. Msg #19689 Dated 7:56:03 09-20-91 19414 <--> 19690 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I thought he always played it himself! His son was a Brother Rat of mine. Arthur had a big horse farm near Leesburg, VA. Msg #19690 Dated 7:56:11 09-20-91 19415 <--> 19692 From: BILL WELLS To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Did P&L make the Gleason Cup & Saucer? ...and does the cup do a littl e kick out of the spoon when the message ends? Msg #19692 Dated 7:56:28 09-20-91 19418 <--> 19695 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Gadzooks! You still got lots of important stuff up there. You are gonna need to rent a truck or something. How is the sale of the house progressing? Msg #19693 Dated 7:56:39 09-20-91 19419 <--> 19694 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEW COIN IDEA The other difference between a Cello and a Violin is one hell of a lot of money. Msg #19694 Dated 7:56:47 09-20-91 19433 <--> 19782 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NEW COIN IDEA Soup Kettle...thats it! Just a little place and if you smile when you ask they refill your soup bowl. Msg #19695 Dated 7:56:55 09-20-91 19438 <--> 19701 From: BILL WELLS To: CINDY SZERLIP (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW You are welcome. Just let me know if I can be of any help. Coin magic has always been one of my favorite areas. When you have time I suggest reading some of John Ramsay's effects if you like coins. Msg #19696 Dated 7:57:05 09-20-91 19451 <--> 19916 From: BILL WELLS To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X) Re: HARMON BAKER Harmon Baker is listed in the I.B.M. membership records as having been born in 1887! I am leaving you his mailing address in a private message. Msg #19698 Dated 7:57:33 09-20-91 19457 <--> 19699 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS You WILL notice that we aren't asking for anything more until we see how this one goes. Msg #19699 Dated 7:57:42 09-20-91 19458 <--> 19700 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS For some reason, your story about Harlan and the buck reminds me of Slydini and his saying "Watch" so much (Actually watcha) and a bunch of guys all throwing their wrist watches onto the table when he said it. Msg #19700 Dated 7:57:54 09-20-91 19459 <--> 19710 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS Remind me to tell you about a specially made card (must be peeled and put back together) that utilizes light to apparently change value. It is too difficult to explain in writing. Msg #19701 Dated 7:58:04 09-20-91 19469 <--> 19702 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I have seen quite a few pages of it and I do ask about it. I think the biggest difficulty is deciding when to cut the flow of informatio n and stop! You really think they are gonna put the tomb in the tome? Msg #19702 Dated 7:58:17 09-20-91 19470 <--> 19703 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Long ago, I had some Greek friend and used to marvel at their "brewing" of coffee by boiling the ground coffee with some water in a pan on the stove. The resulting tiny cup of black expresso was easily capable of keeping you awake the entire evening. If I ever get back to the Big Island, I am still gonna drive down that little winding road to the store on the coffee plantation and hope I can still buy a few pounds of the wonderful stuff. I recall they carried a number of variations such as macademia nut favored Kona, etc. Msg #19703 Dated 7:58:40 09-20-91 19471 <--> 19727 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW You got me...all I know is Blue Mountain. What do you mean by a particular distillation? You mean as in a liquor? . Just happened to think...in all of this food and coffee talk we have had here over the past few months..how come nobody has mentioned the one basic standby...the core of southern cuisine...the lowly but wonderful dish known as...... GRITS! Msg #19704 Dated 7:59:01 09-20-91 19472 <--> 19730 From: BILL WELLS To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: LIMBAUGH I must say...this is certainly an uplifting discussion! Msg #19705 Dated 7:59:09 09-20-91 19473 <--> 19731 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO Yes...I am know he knows his ancestors...I got to get him going on a family tree program before he goes to SLC so he can go visit the root cellar and look up some stuff on 'em. I also realized that Tabby's Cousin B was most likely not the one I mentioned but rather Homo habilus (did I spell that correctly) cause I figure he must be related to someone who used tools. Msg #19706 Dated 7:59:22 09-20-91 19475 <--> 19707 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION While I understand your point regarding the transfer of information between the headquarters and the local chapters, I don't think the "light" ties are necessarily all bad. The independence of the locals allows considerable leaway in how the locals run themselves. For instance, membership in the International body does NOT guarantee one membership in a local chapter. This permits quite a range of variety in the make up and type of local chapters from city to city. Msg #19707 Dated 7:59:43 09-20-91 19476 <--> 19732 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I never sausage a discourse on the lowly weiner. Msg #19709 Dated 8:00:26 09-20-91 19481 <--> 19823 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COINS ACROSS Maybe YOU should get a voice, speech and/or dance instructor! BTW..... HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!! NATHAN !!!!!!!! Msg #19710 Dated 8:00:36 09-20-91 19482 <--> 19712 From: BILL WELLS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: VIDEOS I recall some rather creative bits of business during unforseen stage waits from my days in community theatre from many years ago. I would think that working with the trains would run a serious danger of becoming a running gag and really distract from the production. Too bad the trains couldn't have been timed to run by at the correct time with appropriate graffitti to announce the next scene or act. Msg #19712 Dated 8:01:08 09-20-91 19484 <--> 19720 From: BILL WELLS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: VIDEOS I would certainly hope that Bluemle follows through on his intent to publish the book as I do not know of anyone else who has collected as much information on Jaks. I would suspect that part of Bluemle's reluctance to accept the existance of other Jak's books is because he doesn't personally own them! I had thought Bluemle's book was fairly close to publication in 1989 as he was having folks fill out forms for notification of the book being published to permit prepublication purchase. I had heard something recently about his turning to other interests than magic. Msg #19713 Dated 8:01:32 09-20-91 19485 <--> 19737 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS Could it also be a fear that excessive dunkin' might cause earthquakes on your side? Msg #19714 Dated 8:01:38 09-20-91 19496 <--> 19718 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE The Circle made a serious effort to collect Proxies from all members this year which they had not done in the past. Also the vote in question this year was merely to replace the word "male" with "person" in the Magic Circle Rules. In the past, I recall the question being stated as whether female members should be allowed. I completed my ballot and proxy form (they made an error in the first proxy form and had to send out a correction (very expensive with the postage) but just found it in a stack of stuff I thought I had mailed. Msg #19715 Dated 8:59:08 09-20-91 19642 <--> 19716 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Dave I followed the "Is Magic Next" thread back to make sure you are serious in your fears of magic being a target for censorship. Has anything like that happened in the past or does anything look like it might happen on the horizon? You must have heard or know about some things or events to support your concern. What are they? Personally, I don't think we have anything to worry about. But fill me in, maybe I should be! Msg #19716 Dated 9:38:15 09-20-91 19715 <--> 19722 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Who the heck can censor without being amember...and if they do, I'm outa here... Msg #19717 Dated 9:38:49 09-20-91 19453 <--> 19918 From: PETE BIRO To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE One of the points brought up in my divorce was "combining visiting magicians on our Honeymoon" -- C A U T I O N Msg #19718 Dated 9:38:56 09-20-91 19454 <--> 19741 From: PETE BIRO To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE ARE YOU SURE? What tookem so long? Probably a gaffed ballot box! Msg #19719 Dated 9:39:02 09-20-91 19455 <--> 19758 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LENO I certainly hope I don't offend TOO MANY HERE.... but have you noticed the "new generation" of Clowns coming out of the Clown School (Ringling Bros.) ARE NOT FUNNY. There is something strange. Mebbe it takes too long to develop the real funnyness in circus clowns and running 'em thru school doesn't do it. . Kinda like buying a trick, reading the instructions and putting it into a show in a month or two! IT TAKES YEARS TO GET STUFF DOWN. Msg #19720 Dated 9:39:15 09-20-91 19457 <--> 19721 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS "POPULAR DEMAND" ... One guy asks about a trick and you call that (see right above). AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH Msg #19721 Dated 9:39:21 09-20-91 19459 <--> 19736 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS Howza bout the 3 shell game? Msg #19722 Dated 9:39:27 09-20-91 19460 <--> 19723 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? It is unbelievable to me how many people out there are "regulators" and "do gooders" -- where do they make their living? Or are we supporting them with taxes? Argh... . Stuff worked so good in the GOOD OLD DAYS... and it is so screwed up today, when it should be smoother and easier... we got better tools. I guess it just goes back to the basic FAMILY AND SCHOOL. . A black guy in Washington has come up with a killer theory and it has been PROVEN. Other cities are jumping in (albiet TOO SLOWLY). But he figured in the Ghetto cities, Detroit, etc. and almost all INNER CITY schools the young 3rd to 6th grade black BOYS go to hell because they do not have fathers at home (the majority) and they do not have male teachers. They have women running thier lives and they rebel. This guy brought in successful black men to assist in the classrooms and the black youngsters changed 180-degrees. Got interested in the studies, quit screwing around in class and started to learn things... . They just were great, they wanted to IMPRESS the teacher (the male one) as opposed to HASSLE the woman! . I hope this guy really gets someone BIG TIME to pay attention! Msg #19723 Dated 9:39:55 09-20-91 19461 <--> 19760 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I guess it is your Unalienable Right to DISAGREE with what is being PROVEN CORRECT. Read it again as if it was a study and you are to learn what he say! Y'all hear? Msg #19724 Dated 9:40:04 09-20-91 19462 <--> 19746 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT ON CD ROM? Msg #19725 Dated 9:40:09 09-20-91 19463 <--> 19748 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION I know some very successful "star" race drivers (Danny Sullivan and Mario Andretti for example) that have had a single PR person for years and years... they really know what to do and how to make it work. . The "CLIENT" has to have a PR sense as well and must exert some push once in awhile... it goes two ways... and if you are good you are good. If you have MEDIOCHRE (which is a new watercolor, similar to Yellow Ochre) help you will get what you pay for. Msg #19726 Dated 9:40:23 09-20-91 19467 <- From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: JAPANESE ACCESS Whoops... might be Matt... His full name is Mitsunobu Matsuyama 72161,106 If he is NG, forget it, I will reply to him in the negative next time he drops me a line. Tsk. Msg #19727 Dated 9:40:30 09-20-91 19469 <--> 19728 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW One of them had a ring through his/her cheek! But no rings larger than 2.5-inches were found. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Msg #19728 Dated 9:40:37 09-20-91 19470 <--> 19729 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Turkish coffee in ANY restaruant requires Industrial Strength dental floss to regain the use of your mouth. And I don't know what will restore your taste buds, other than the natural healing process. As famed old race driver, Loyd Ruby once said about a sore "dick" "Only cure I know is to leave it alone!" Msg #19729 Dated 9:40:46 09-20-91 19471 <--> 19761 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW In the South there is a string of "Majic Markets" owned by a guy with the perfect Southern Name: Dillard Munford. Met him one time, he almost got into Indy Car racing but it was too rich for his blood. The Indy Car guy he was hangin' with was a magic nut, Lindsay Hopkins. Msg #19730 Dated 9:40:57 09-20-91 19472 <--> 19739 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: LIMBAUGH Not wanting to be a nasty fellow... but read the words. Do not read the next line until you think for a moment, OK? . Levitation means to float and rise and fall, or just rise and whatever... vanish, etc. . Suspension means to float in a stationary position. Hence, Chair Suspension... etc. Harbin HAD the best suspension ever... UNTIL BLANEY came up with his, to which Harbin commented, "This fellow has done me one better" . Levitations are usually performed in a full stage/theater set up as they require big time hidden devices. Such as Large Cranking type apparatus either off the stage at the side with cables and pulleys, or behind a curtain attached to the Cradle (which the subject lays on/in) or wires/threads going up to FLIES which raise and lower, etc. Some even require holes in the stage floor to mechanisms below. . One very clever lad I have worked with even has built a huge stage upon the stage, sort of a three level rising platform. It looks normal as the scenery etc. make it logical. He has his mechanism in that... and his AGA moves forward. . In the new Thurston book (hurry and buy one at $100, they are going out of print and will be valuable very soon) the details of his ASRAH (the form under cloth with thread) is explained very well, as is the Keller version, girl in view, hung by many wires. You will see the enormous equipment involved. Byron Walker was helping to move the crank for a Keller Levitation out of storage and it took FIVE GUYS to lift it.... . Christian Fechner (in his $300 book -- now out of print) supplies full scale blue prints to build his levitation... which is incredible in that half the gaff is on your own body. You wear a special brace that goes down your leg and hooks into a bar stool with a killer mechanism. He levitates himself up off the stool in the most convincing manner --- I have seen it on TV where the camera goes fully around him as he floats above the bar stool! . Yogano Jr., at our St. Louis IBM convention did a levitation of a scantily clad lady (his sister) up on a clear plastic platform (the platform was ungaffed, only used to get the effect up off the stage for better effect and visibility). He has devised an AGA type that he can walk on stage WEARING... I T I S A K I L L E R B E Y O N D B E L I E F . . . . . SO... MONEY NOTWITHSTANDING there are some great things STILL BEING DEVISED... by people that have great imaginations and the right resources. Msg #19731 Dated 9:41:48 09-20-91 19473 <--> 19762 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO I take that as a personal offense! Msg #19732 Dated 9:41:53 09-20-91 19475 <--> 19733 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION The post office would do the same thing. It is just that they are too lazy. The Linking Ring magazine, actually, is the real bond. It should be used MORE for the Linking of the organization. Altho the RING REPORTS are a great incentive. Msg #19733 Dated 9:42:02 09-20-91 19476 <--> 19763 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Boy do I miss Bangers for brekkie... got to go back to England. Ricky Jay just flew over to appear on the TV Show "Secret Cabaret" on which Stienmeyer is one of the technical geniuses involved. If you ever get a chance to see a tape of the show... do it. It is very wonderful in all ways. . Why something like this cannot be done in the USA I don't understand -- wait, I do... with Rosanne in No. 1 you should understand. Msg #19734 Dated 9:42:14 09-20-91 19477 <--> 19742 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Right on Evan... T A reviews are very good. I think he is the only reviewer that A) Reads the books, and B) Knows the history. Msg #19735 Dated 9:42:21 09-20-91 19479 <- From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: WAKE UP CALL I think the show starts at 11:00, so you got a couple of hours to make your travel money back! Har. Msg #19736 Dated 9:42:27 09-20-91 19484 <--> 19747 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: VIDEOS What is (if anything) is Felix Greenfield doing these days? Boy, I sure remember a lot of the older N.Y. guys were really into the magic scene... which shifted to Hollywood with Vernon... I guess. Also, did Johnnie Benzais pass away? When? What? Just heard that. Msg #19737 Dated 9:42:35 09-20-91 19485 <--> 19766 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS Someone in art once met Salvador Dali, the great abstract painter. Dali asked "where are you from" the person replied, "Los Angeles" to which Dali said, "I remember Los Angeles... tell me, do they still have that gigantic Donut along the freeway?" Msg #19738 Dated 9:42:42 09-20-91 19489 <--> 19767 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ART Yup been to the Pantry. Reminds me of a story. When about six or seven years old, we had a building next door to our house that was close enough so you could work your way up between the walls to the second story.... There was this VENT to the Pantry... (what a segue) to the kitchen of this old biddie next door... so in a GHOST VOICE I yelled INTO THE PANTRY VENT.... "I want to be cooler... I want to be cooler" (It was a hot day)... and WHAMMO ... I got hit with a bucket of water. She saw me out another window and answered my request!!!!!!!!!! . Regarding Phillipes... when the train hit... did they order 300 Pastrami sandwiches TO GO.... Msg #19739 Dated 9:42:59 09-20-91 19490 <--> 19743 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: LIMBAUGH It must be too much Turkish Coffee... abstain a while and your taste may improve... Msg #19740 Dated 9:43:06 09-20-91 19493 <--> 20343 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT If you have ever met the Managers at many hotels, you will know why they have to go upstairs for OK's.... most of them are just out of the Hotel schools.... and don't have decision making authority. Msg #19741 Dated 9:43:12 09-20-91 19496 <--> 19757 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE I would guess that Berglas, being a cool dude... and wanting to bring the Magic Circle into the 19th Century (first) had something to do with it... Msg #19742 Dated 9:43:19 09-20-91 19497 <--> 19756 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Regardless of the Accuracy, or Innacuracy of The Man Who Was... it still makes great reading. It is too bad about some of Jeff's commentary and moaning about various people creeping in. It should not be there. . Just like all the pictures in the beginning of the Dante Book of the author... it looks like a tribute to the author when you first get into the book. . I recall seeing a fabulously produced Press Book at the Indy 500 on one of the teams some time ago... and the first three pages in it were about the Press Agent!!!!!!!!!! Nobody cares about him... they want the driver/team info... Msg #19743 Dated 9:43:37 09-20-91 19502 <--> 19753 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LIMBAUGH I remember that one. I almost started to make one. The idea could be good for a funny presentation... you tell the KID that he might be too heavy for the table. You need to get him onto the table for say, sawing him in half? And tell him to hold still. Then the table starts to wobble... you tell him to hold still, if he breaks this $5,000 table he is in trouble.... You get the saw, etc. the kid (you cue him) starts to wriggle... . AND WHAMMO.... THE TABLE FALLS APARD AND COLLAPSES ON THE FLOOR BELOW HIM... he appears to be floating in the air.... . You panic, etc. I think you could stand the saw vertically and hide the gaff (this is not in the original this is my idea) And you go around the kid and start to pick up the pieces and put the table back together.... etc etc. . Good effective one man set up... . Copperfield should go for this... will send to him.... Msg #19745 Dated 9:44:13 09-20-91 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: BOOK FOR SALE Ee;19503 Any one interested in 'EVER SO SLEIGHTLY' by Steven Minch, on Martin Nash's card work? I just found I have two of them. Current price is $30... first offer of $15 takes it and I pay postage. Msg #19746 Dated 9:44:21 09-20-91 19506 <--> 19773 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT Maybe you could bring it to T A and he could mark in the revisions for you.... Msg #19747 Dated 9:44:30 09-20-91 19611 <--> 19754 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VIDEOS Nothin' better than a clean slate. I guess I should get out the eraser... cuz the load of inconsequential stuff don't seem to want to go way... argh... Msg #19748 Dated 9:44:40 09-20-91 19612 <--> 19755 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION How else ... there is no better way. Study by osmosis, isn't tht what it is called? Msg #19751 Dated 9:45:04 09-20-91 19618 <- From: PETE BIRO To: GEORGE L WILLIAMS (X) Re: MOSCHEN ON LETTERMAN Yeah, and I stayed up til 1:29 when he finally got on, rushed thru a couple of things and it was over.... foooooooo. Who needed to see Dick Clark on anyway? Kresking tonight.... hmmm.... mebbe VCR while I sleep.... argh.... Msg #19753 Dated 9:45:20 09-20-91 19628 <--> 19789 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: LIMBAUGH You have such a good way with woids. Msg #19754 Dated 9:45:27 09-20-91 19629 <--> 19776 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: VIDEOS Thanks for the update on the whereabouts of a couple of past greats. Banzais put some very powerful stuff together. Was he not into card playing for real money as well? Msg #19755 Dated 9:45:37 09-20-91 19631 <- From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: INSIDE EDITION I know. There are many making big bucks doing "Resume" snaps... I guess its like magic. Buy it, read the instructions and use it for business(?) the next day. Lots of bad photogs. Lots of bad magicians. What about heart surgeons? Car mechanics? NOW THIS IS SCARY. Msg #19756 Dated 9:45:48 09-20-91 19633 <--> 19765 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW OK, TEASE not TSK. I wish I had a MAC II with Quark, Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator! Argh to the max (and I don't mean Maven). Msg #19757 Dated 9:45:55 09-20-91 19637 <--> 19827 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE Berglas is very new as prez of the Circle I don't think he has gotten "tired" of any of it yet. Wish I knew him better. Some of the stories Ken Brooke told me about Berglas are incredible. Msg #19758 Dated 9:46:03 09-20-91 19638 <--> 19794 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LENO But I think the only ones you see at the Ringling (Feld) shows are from their own school. Msg #19760 Dated 9:46:20 09-20-91 19644 <--> 19769 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? If education people keep lowering the standards we are all doomed. They got to be tough for awhile, and soon it will be OK. Msg #19761 Dated 9:46:28 09-20-91 19649 <--> 19775 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh what a thought, Linking Rings... you mean linking people together via a ring that enables you to know someone is calling.... got to get one. Msg #19762 Dated 9:46:39 09-20-91 19653 <--> 19781 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO This turned you into a Nazi? Msg #19763 Dated 9:46:45 09-20-91 19654 <--> 19764 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I love ring reports. Everybody is wonderful. Like: "Ned got up and did the most amazing rope drop we have seen, followed by the complete barehanded vanish of a freemus... etc. etc. PUKE! Msg #19764 Dated 9:46:54 09-20-91 19655 <--> 19813 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I don't keep my scones, I put butter on and eat em. Butter on ME? No, the scones, silly. Msg #19765 Dated 9:47:01 09-20-91 19656 <--> 19806 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Bob Lund, Museum of Magic, Marshall, Mich., bought the complete photo library, negatives, proofs, prints, etc. of (god I'm getting old, can't think of his name... uh.... -- go to library and look, I'll be back in a second -- ) IRVING DESFOR. Anyway the point... it was in a terrible mess. No filing order, nuttin, but tons of stuff. I think about 3, four drawer cabinets. So what did Bob do? He went to the local University photo dept., and got them to turn the project into one that gave credits and had a handful of students come in and sort and file it to perfection. Msg #19766 Dated 9:47:16 09-20-91 19657 <--> 19825 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS The latest beautification of So. Calif. (I noticed for the first time after being away a couple of years) is the keen lettering on the reverse side of the freeway signs. Why don't they shoot a few of the guys with spray cans? Or at least SPRAY THEM some ugly color for a year or two? Msg #19767 Dated 9:47:24 09-20-91 19658 <--> 19797 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ART I would guess the "PANTY" would... re read your spelling in 19658. I thot I wuz the only one that typed faster than my ability. Msg #19768 Dated 9:47:29 09-20-91 19669 <--> 19771 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER Robin Williams, Jonathan Winters and Johnny Carson were MORE THAN "ON".... it was priceless. Wish I had taped it. Tears were running down my leg I was laffing so hard. You could really see the adoration of Winters by Williams!!! Carson couldn't keep from crying himself. When the third guest, some pretty little thing, came on it was all over. She couldn't say a word without the guys reacting... and they were U N B E L I E V A B L E ! It may be the first time (that I have seen) where the director kept a wide shot almost the whole time so you could see both Williams and Winters as well as Carson. Generally when a new guest comes ons the camera NEVER shows the previous guest. It was not the cast last night. Probably the big difference (to me) between the two genius comedic minds is Williams goes for the politicl shots. His, "Here have your own Crack Baby" was one of the greatest lines on the subject EVER. And should be required viewing by... I better quit here, it is MAGIC! I like your commercial but I don't like Budweiser. Sorry. Anchor Steam... thass anuther storie... burp... I been in thier brewery to look over the copper pipes and stuff. Slurp... ahhhhhhh Msg #19769 Dated 9:47:51 09-20-91 19670 <--> 19772 From: PETE BIRO To: DOUG SMITH (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? NO DON'T GIVE UP THE SHIP... GO TO ADMIN FOLKS AND TALK STRAIGHT TO THEM... TELL THEM THEY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF THEY JUST THINK AND ACT WITH CONSCIENCE... CON SCIENCE? argh? Msg #19771 Dated 9:48:25 09-20-91 19676 <--> 19819 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER It is unusual these days for Winters to NOT WEAR A CIVIL WAR UNIFORM Msg #19772 Dated 9:48:29 09-20-91 19679 <--> 19788 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? You too, eh? Demigogue... maybe it is a small Gogue? Msg #19773 Dated 9:48:35 09-20-91 19680 <--> 19801 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT And I am older than both of use... respect your elders!!!!!!!1 Msg #19775 Dated 9:48:46 09-20-91 19692 <--> 19777 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Yesterday an ad I wrote appeared in an airplane owners publication. There is a small aiport just up the hill on the Ridge in Gualala. Otherwise NUTTIN HONEY.... ARGH.... Msg #19776 Dated 9:4:5 9-0-9 19700 <--> 19778 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS You don't need to explain. It is in Hofzinser's card magic book. And others. Let 'em find it like we did. Msg #19777 Dated 9:49:00 09-20-91 19703 <--> 19783 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW That is because GRITS spelled backwards is STIRG... and that makes no sense at all. And besides, who doesn't like Grits? I mean, next to "here you go" when 99.876-percent of ALL WAITRESSES in the Continental United States say that when bringing your plate of food say that, I like to here, "Y'al want Grits?" Sure miss covering the Southern Stock Car Racing scene. Tsk. Msg #19778 Dated 9:49:11 09-20-91 19710 <--> 19779 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS There still is (or was on my last visit) a British Music Hall doing shows... it is next to a subway line... and every time the subway train R O A R S past... the cast just holds thier breath, pauses, then goes right on like nuttin happened. Great stuff! Someone related to Maskelyn ( a very old charming lady at the time I met her -- thanks to Jay Marshall ) was, I think a ticket taker at said show. Wish I coule recall name of the place. Msg #19779 Dated 9:49:23 09-20-91 19712 <--> 19784 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS Though Bluemle lives in Phoenix, Ariz., he is president of Chalk Hill winery in Sonoma county. Msg #19780 Dated 9:49:31 09-20-91 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: MESSAGES I just figger my messages are so good you all would like to read them again. Actually... Sorry... I hit append or something and didn't know when to stop em as I didn't want to lose the new ones. Argh... bye bye Msg #19781 Dated 10:18:51 09-20-91 19685 <--> 19808 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO Actually the Scot came from my daddy's side in Georgia. My ggrandma Fanny Stewart's family came over from the old sod. Would imagine that most Crabbes are related as there's so few of us, ya' know. Msg #19782 Dated 10:18:57 09-20-91 19686 <--> 19785 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: NEW COIN IDEA I was coaching little league and was umpire behind the pitcher as it is safer (I thought). My son, Rob, was pitching and threw a strike I yelled "strike!" just as batter nailed the ball and it hit the end of my extended finger full force. Yow!!! Msg #19783 Dated 10:19:04 09-20-91 19687 <--> 19802 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I suspect that it will be HOT in Orlando. Msg #19784 Dated 10:19:10 09-20-91 19688 <--> 19787 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS Sorry to hear that Jaks was an unhappy guy. Would hope that if there is solace after death that he knows that he is still remembered and revered. Msg #19785 Dated 10:19:17 09-20-91 19693 <--> 19786 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: NEW COIN IDEA I worked a duet with a cellist once and found it to be an extremely expressive instrument. Msg #19786 Dated 10:19:22 09-20-91 19694 <--> 19842 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: NEW COIN IDEA OK, Soup Kettle.....will check out at lunch time sometime when I want to take my life into my own hands and venture into downtown nashvul. Msg #19787 Dated 10:19:28 09-20-91 19700 <--> 19790 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS Is this like the Hofzinser transparant card? Msg #19788 Dated 10:19:33 09-20-91 19715 <--> 19798 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? If the public doesn't take magic and magicians seriously, why in the world would they make a move to censor magic? Msg #19789 Dated 10:19:40 09-20-91 19743 <--> 19845 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LIMBAUGH That's a great idea Pete for the Had-E-Table, even the second time around!!! Msg #19790 Dated 10:19:45 09-20-91 19747 <--> 19793 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS Ah yes. A clean slate. Msg #19793 Dated 10:20:03 09-20-91 19754 <--> 19810 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS Is the Benzais book the red one called the "Best of"? Msg #19794 Dated 10:30:54 09-20-91 19666 <--> 19795 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: LENO Well, that trivia question lasted less than 3 hours... Msg #19795 Dated 10:32:46 09-20-91 19678 <--> 19796 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LENO I'll have to take a WAG on that one -- prior to being Mr. Greenjeans, he did commercials for Gallo's wine cooler? Msg #19796 Dated 10:35:10 09-20-91 19758 <--> 19849 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LENO I suspect that you are right Ringling clowns graduate from Ringling school.. Does the University of Florida still have a Circus? It used to be a feeder for Ringling. Msg #19797 Dated 10:39:36 09-20-91 19767 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ART Sorry about that - I've always had a problem typing PANTRY. Msg #19798 Dated 10:43:02 09-20-91 19670 <--> 19799 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DOUG SMITH (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Personally, I suspect that most administrators are as stuck in the system as the teachers are. The school system has a large number of constituencies, only one, the least powerful one, is the kids. I am not aware of the tape you mentioned, but, whatever was on it, nothing would surprise me. I do feel compelled to issue a reminder though - we are not a forum for social issues unless they are connected to magic. Perhaps you can fill me in about the tape in a private message? Msg #19799 Dated 10:50:04 09-20-91 19679 <--> 19800 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? A demigogue is a small gogue, of course. Shall I catch every one of your typos too? Check the dictionary under demagogue. Msg #19800 Dated 10:51:59 09-20-91 19715 <--> 19817 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? The process of exercising social and legal control over divergence, rather than over criminal behavior, is always scary and, throughout history, has always been dangerous to magic and magicians. In my original post on this topic I mentioned the Parents Music Resource Center and the censorship of music. There are a great many groups that magic offends - I think it was Scott Cram (I could be wrong) who mentioned that his local SAM chapter was turned away from the use of a church related hall when the church realized that they had extended an invitation to a magic group. Although magic is the parent of science, it is often viewed as inimical to science which is somewhat of a state religion. I think it would be very easy for a coalition of neo-Puritan groups to view magic as counterproductive. Msg #19801 Dated 11:04:32 09-20-91 19680 <--> 19820 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT Yep - I know! Tick...tick...tick... Msg #19802 Dated 11:05:43 09-20-91 19681 <--> 19803 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I think it is a real place - named because of the shape of the rocks or the shape of the waves or something like that. Mybe Barry in Hawaii can confirm. Msg #19803 Dated 11:08:31 09-20-91 19701 <--> 19804 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I think that we will all be amazed once the tome is finished. I'm just sad because they never mentioned me or my family's connection, as my Great Uncle was one of the first Occidental merchants in China and he probably helped to bring word of this back to Europe. Msg #19804 Dated 11:13:06 09-20-91 19703 <--> 19805 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Yep, a liquor - Tia Maria. A wonderful drink can be made by pouring a couple of ounces of it into a tall glass of iced coffee. Kahlua is a cheap inferior substitute for it. Grits can be substituted for rice in a Southern version of the rice bowl. Msg #19805 Dated 11:16:47 09-20-91 19761 <--> 19821 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Don't bother getting the kind of phone that rings - just stick to the ones with modems. I DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT JUST HAPPENED! My keyboard slipped and hit the edge of the desk and the resulting characters on the screen spelled O P S - Seriously! Maybe my keyboard was made by Ouija? And yes, it is a little known fact that Alexander Graham Bell had just returned from a magic show at which the rings were performed when the idea of using a bell as a signalling device for his new invention hit him. Msg #19806 Dated 11:23:22 09-20-91 19682 <--> 19807 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Thanks, Tabby. The idea is that once we get the new section system up, we will start a section for those who wish to discuss the indexing project - and anyone will be able to join it. I think the project is a great idea and want to move forward on it. Msg #19807 Dated 11:26:22 09-20-91 19765 <--> 19853 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Yep - I would commend the local School of Library Science to anyone who wants to index a large magic book collection. Most of the students are working in fast food joints and will welcome the chance to practice their craft instead for much the same fee structure. P.S. - Didn't Soo get his posters done in a similar manner? Msg #19808 Dated 11:29:36 09-20-91 19705 <--> 19809 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO I thought Homo Magus was a distinct line and that it didn't intermarry. Hannah Willard Ammar is a direct descendent. Msg #19809 Dated 11:31:26 09-20-91 19762 <--> 19854 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO Magic iz the conquoring of minds and ze obercoming uf de public's will, by force if necessary. Msg #19810 Dated 11:35:29 09-20-91 19698 <--> 19811 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS As long as I don't get in trouble with the union for doing magic without a license at DMS. Msg #19811 Dated 11:38:08 09-20-91 19699 <--> 19812 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS That must have been something to see! Did Slydini keep the watches? Msg #19812 Dated 11:38:59 09-20-91 19700 <--> 19843 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS I think I've seen the changing card that you are describing - uses a filter that is either a piece of plastic or that is built into a card holder or even a plastic bag, no? Animation can be done on an overhead projector by using a motor driven polarizer in the light path. Actually, there are all sorts of effects that can be done with either a gaffed or ungaffed overhead projector. Msg #19813 Dated 11:46:00 09-20-91 19706 <--> 19814 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION There are advantages to both light and heavy involvement with local units - just ask either George Bush or Gorbachev. But I think that the membership connection could be made stronger. Also, I wonder if a set of Chapter Guidelines - just stuff on how to run a chapter, no demands - would make for stronger Rings. Msg #19814 Dated 11:48:03 09-20-91 19707 <--> 19815 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Frankly speaking, I relished your comment. Msg #19815 Dated 11:49:09 09-20-91 19763 <--> 19816 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Well, how do you know that Ned didn't do the most amazing rope drop they have ever seen? Remember, not everyone lives 15 minutes from the Castle or gets to attend DMS, IBM, etc. I suspect that for many IBM'ers, their local Ring is the sole chance to get together with other magi. That's what I like so much about MAGIC! - anyone involved in magic is just a phone call away from global dialog. Msg #19816 Dated 11:52:43 09-20-91 19764 <--> 19858 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION But I think that you could place an unbuttered scone on the mantle and it would last for years and taste exactly the same once you dusted it off. Msg #19817 Dated 11:55:54 09-20-91 19799 <--> 19818 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Sorry. I wasn't looking for typos. I don't even know how to spell demagogue but will look it up in the dictionary after the move and I unpack my books. Thanks again. Msg #19818 Dated 11:56:01 09-20-91 19800 <--> 19830 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? The counterproductivity of magic in the general scheme of the world is well known, however within the confines of the art and science of magic the study of which is productive. I understand what you're talking about, though. Msg #19819 Dated 11:56:09 09-20-91 19771 <--> 19862 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER Somehow I was hoping Johnathon Winters would be wearing a gray one, though since he's from Ohio the blue was appropriate. The first Ohio volunteers. Whatever he wears he's a doozie; a double doozie and a half. The guy is a national treasure. Msg #19820 Dated 11:56:17 09-20-91 19773 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT With much respect, yowsuh!!!!!!! You is the BOSS, not Springstein. Msg #19821 Dated 11:56:23 09-20-91 19777 <--> 19832 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Grits and bacon. Grits and cheese. Grits and red eye gravy. Grits and ham. Yum. Best grits going is speckled heart grits from Pine Mt, GA. Whole kernal corn. How many? Msg #19823 Dated 12:08:28 09-20-91 19709 <--> 20642 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: COINS ACROSS Thanks for the electronic birthday greetings to Nathan. I will put it on one of his memorabilia diskettes. (Seriously!). But I think you now have to go down and give $1.25 to the clerk at the local Hallmark store for having done it. Msg #19825 Dated 12:14:21 09-20-91 19713 <--> 19826 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS Actually, there is a pretty reasonable scientific theory that says that dunkin' helps to PREVENT or minimize earthquakes! Water in the fault lines could serve as a lubricant between the plates, allowing slippage to occur before major stress occurs. I've been uneasy for the past couple of days - we haven't had a local quake since IBM in Baltimore - and I just feel like we are due. When you live here, those sort of feelings come over you once in a while. Msg #19826 Dated 12:18:47 09-20-91 19766 <--> 19864 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS The purchase of spray paint in Southern California is now severely regulated. Stores have to keep cans of spray paint UNDER LOCK and are supposedly not allowed to sell it to minors. Seriously. Msg #19827 Dated 12:21:36 09-20-91 19714 <--> 19828 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE Now what we need to do is to have a computer show up and apply for Circle membership! Equal rites for silicon life forms! Msg #19828 Dated 12:22:56 09-20-91 19757 <--> 19866 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE Somehow I though he (Berglas) had been involved in one of the court cases over Magic Circle policy. Guess I was wrong? Maybe you can set up the tour to Tokyo FISM to pass through London? Msg #19830 Dated 12:30:10 09-20-91 19817 <--> 19831 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Sorry! I really thought you were poking fun at me for the typo! A demAgogue (Demagog is an acceptable alternate spelling) is "A leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power." Msg #19831 Dated 12:32:29 09-20-91 19818 <--> 19834 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I don't quite see it the way you expressed it, Tab. I do NOT view either magic or fantasy as "counterproductive." Au contraire, they are a balancing force of society. What scares me is that there are a lot of people out there who do view them as "counterproductive." You yourself triggered some of my thoughts a long time ago when you posted a message about MAGIC! eventually having to have its own satellite or its existing between the cracks of the global communications system. My real point is that we have to be vigilant and that we have to fight this sort of social control BEFORE it gets to magic. Once you allow the juggernaut of "what's good for me is good for you, so I must protect you from yourself" to get rolling, it is too late to stop it. Msg #19832 Dated 12:41:46 09-20-91 19821 <--> 19839 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Yowza! Speckled heart grits from Pine Mt., Ga.! The best Muscadine Jelly comes from there too! Msg #19833 Dated 12:47:44 09-20-91 -> 19840 From: JIM SISTI To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: RAY MERTZ Ray just got in a little while ago and I'm showing him MAGIC! He, of course, saw you're name in several places. Just basically saying "Hi!" Talk to you later... Msg #19834 Dated 13:15:29 09-20-91 19830 <--> 19835 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I didn't know, but that could fit a lot of polits these and other days. Msg #19835 Dated 13:15:35 09-20-91 19831 <--> 19836 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? The point IS what? I think some things are better left alone. Remember PANDORA and think about that before you open the box any more. I agree that there are many types of "do gooders" who want to "protect" us from ourselves. Hopwever, I'm sure you don't think that I view MAGIC as counterproductive. On the contrary. The more I am involved in magic on all levels the more successful my life is on ALL levels. It has been this way since I was just a kid. My life is basically a fantasy anyway and I plan on keeping it that way. Msg #19836 Dated 13:22:57 09-20-91 19834 <--> 19837 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? The term demagogue has fit a lot of politicians since the dawn of their craft. Msg #19837 Dated 13:25:21 09-20-91 19835 <--> 19844 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I know that you don't view magic as counterproductive, Tab, which is why I couldn't quite figure the construction of your message. Perhaps an obscure reference that eluded me. I was reporting on current trends and events and was pointing out that even Time magazine displayed concern about this trend. Msg #19839 Dated 14:18:22 09-20-91 19832 <--> 19851 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Muscadines in jelliefied form is good, however in their natural state they are somewhat, well, how can I say it? Bleeeeckh. Msg #19840 Dated 14:18:27 09-20-91 19833 <--> 20025 From: TABBY CRABB To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: RAY MERTZ Tell Ray I said hello. He did a great lecture in Baltimore the other night. I gave your message to Howie Schwarzman and he said he'd give you a call as he still had a couple of those little wallets you were wanting to find out about. I told him to send you all of them and you'd pay him later. Msg #19842 Dated 14:40:13 09-20-91 19782 <--> 19877 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NEW COIN IDEA I was the catcher many times. Caught a no hitter once. Hit about 400 lifetime in the Police League. And once had the only hit in a game (see above) where our pitcher threw a no hitter and opponent tossed a one hitter (mine) -- gamed called 0 to 0 'cause it got too dark! Sorry drifted from point... reason mentioned catcher (I also pitched some games) is that I cannot do some of the Carney coin moves 'cause a ball made my right ring finger stiff, shorter and thicker than original issue. Owch! Msg #19843 Dated 14:40:27 09-20-91 19787 <--> 19848 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VIDEOS It is the Hofzinger (common spelling with street magi) transLUCENT card. Msg #19844 Dated 14:40:34 09-20-91 19788 <--> 19850 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? It wouldn't be the public trying to do us in. Msg #19845 Dated 14:40:41 09-20-91 19789 <--> 19880 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LIMBAUGH Sometimes you got to do things twice to get them down pat. Msg #19848 Dated 14:40:59 09-20-91 19793 <--> 19855 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VIDEOS The on and only. The best o' -- unnerstand he was a card cheat and street hustler. Anybody out there know? T A ? Huh? I know he was a pal of Purse. Msg #19849 Dated 14:41:06 09-20-91 19796 <--> 19906 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LENO I dunno. Just watched a TV thing on Floriday, had Burt Reynolds, Universal, TV studios and Disney Animation onit, but I only saw athe last 15 minutes. Msg #19850 Dated 14:41:14 09-20-91 19800 <--> 19869 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I guess you just have to use the Mike Caldwell line... "I am an ENTERTAINER... I was a magician BEFORE I became an entertainer!" Msg #19851 Dated 14:41:22 09-20-91 19804 <--> 19852 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW A good "natural" way to do the rice bowls. (I am not kidding here, just thought it time to put in some mo' mojo... yo...) . Use two flower pots about 6 or 8 inches across the mouth. Now, this is from my NOTEBOOK circa 1950 (yes Tabby... this is where lots of the stuff for my next book will come from). . OK, 2 flowerpots. Now instead of a plastic gaff over one pot, just stuff a rubber chicken (or other production item of your choice) into the pot. . Have that one mouth down on table, other mouth up. . I used breakfast cereal instead of rice. You chat about (I forget the patter I used then) the grain shortages in where ever, Russia India... make it timeley... and that the great magicians not only grow mysterious plants in flower pots... but can grow crops without planting... etc. etc. . You fill one bowl with the cereal. You can do lines bout FIBER, like I eat so much fibre I evacuate (cleaned that up) Throw Rugs... argh. . Put the other pot (used bowl twolines up sorry) on top, do the usual pick up turn over move, etc. like rice bowls... and when you lift off the chickenless pot it appears the cereal has doubled in quantity... wheeeeeeeeee..... . Put 'em together again, and instead of getting liquid (as in ususal rice bowls) you produce the rubber chicken... . At the time, the line "A chicken in every pot" was coooool.... . So there you are fun seekers... wonderful magic right here on MAGIC!... Oh, you can use a wand that changes to flowers for a kicker if you wish at the end... I don't want to give it all out you need to think on the presentation. Any item can be used to fill the pot and be produced. I just like Rubber Chickens. Msg #19852 Dated 14:42:04 09-20-91 19805 <--> 19863 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I Knew Alexander G. B. was cool. Msg #19853 Dated 14:42:10 09-20-91 19807 <--> 19885 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Soo, as in Chung Ling? Sure did. He used art schools and projects for the creation of his wonderful posters. I would guess Paul Daniels, one of the great Soo collectors (the only magic item my ex got in the divorce was the Chung Ling Soo poster), would know more details about the art projects that Soo organized. Msg #19854 Dated 14:42:19 09-20-91 19809 <--> 20628 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO I surrender mine Fuhrer... Msg #19855 Dated 14:42:24 09-20-91 19810 <--> 19856 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS I can sell you a license real cheap. Just bring some money. Msg #19856 Dated 14:42:30 09-20-91 19811 <--> 19857 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SSOP) (X) Re VIDEO I have an old Silk to Watch (hollow watch) that is the only legit way to do the gag... altho the production of a wrist watch under a silk has been done and done and done and done, but in the right time/place is still funny. Msg #19857 Dated 14:42:38 09-20-91 19812 <--> 19878 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS Don't make it complicated. NO it is not mechanical. It is merely an opaque pip between the layers of the paper the card is made from. There are mechanical items but they are all, for the most part, JUNK for magicians cabinet drawers. Msg #19858 Dated 14:42:47 09-20-91 19813 <--> 19859 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION They are strong enuf... for gosh sakes, we don't need anybody to wrestle the control of the IBM away from me and Bill and Jim and now Tabby... Don't you think it is in good hands with us? Huh? Msg #19859 Dated 14:42:54 09-20-91 19814 <--> 19860 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I weiner thought you would succumb so easily. Must have been the mustard. Msg #19860 Dated 14:43:00 09-20-91 19815 <--> 19861 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION OK, I'll post another USABLE magic item. Rope Drop. Following the conclusion of the Conway Rope trick (a great version of the Professor's Nightmare -- marketed by Ken Brooke, and I think now in print in Pat Conway's book, "The Pat Way to Con") where a gaffed rope is used -- at the finish I threw the rope out into the audience. This blew the minds of 999 in attendance. The one guy that caught the rope figured it out... but the other 999 were destroyed. Matter of fact, within a minute of the end of the show, two very knowledgabe guys, Sam Schwartz, being one of them) rushed into my dressing room (the part of the hallway where a nail was hung so I could hang my coat?) and wanted to know how I did the 'ROPE SWITCH' he had a bet with Del Cartier that I switched the rope. . So, take this principle and use it wisely. . I once tossed an egg bag into the audience during a show at the SAM Convention in Chicago... got it back and said, "Hey somone has ripped the seam... well, I will try to do the trick anyway!" Msg #19861 Dated 14:43:25 09-20-91 19816 <--> 19871 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Where do you think I keep my supply? There was a great Scone baker up in Gualala... will get some next time up there.... Msg #19862 Dated 14:43:31 09-20-91 19819 <--> 19875 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER I still cherish the two days I spent photographing Winters for an album -- he was incredibly funny shopping in San Francisco or doing anything. When we met him in the dressing room he was funnier with us than when he was onstage! I still have a couple of the photos here someplace. I hope they aren't in the 24 boxes I shipped "COLLECT" to the Frog. Msg #19863 Dated 14:43:41 09-20-91 19821 <--> 19876 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Grits and Grits... I also, in Florida like to go to Hojos and order a Ham Quickie (just a chopped ham omelette) but I like the name. With Grits of course! Msg #19864 Dated 14:43:49 09-20-91 19825 <--> 19865 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS I just saw a pic taken from outer space that scares me... altho Walnut Creek is on the good side of the line... but if you get an atlas out... look at the ENTIRE "left coast" take a line from the East side of the Baja Peninsula and now go up to Alaska and you will see a mirror image (a Peninsula open at the North end) then draw a line from one to the other... note it lines up with the bottom of San Francisco Bay at the South, and the North one lines up with the top of San Francisco Bay... is this the part that is set to fall into the Ocean? Boy, I am glad to be on the East side of that line. Argh.... T A, Please do not let me know WHAT YOU KNOW about this, OK? Msg #19865 Dated 14:44:04 09-20-91 19826 <--> 19939 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS So who says the rats are minors? Msg #19866 Dated 14:44:10 09-20-91 19827 <--> 19867 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE I see on the local news Apple is shutting down ops in Silicone Valley and moving to Texas for lower tax rates and cheaper labor and lower housing costs. When will those with jobs give in a little in tuff times to keep em... argh... Msg #19867 Dated 14:44:18 09-20-91 19828 <--> 19941 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE I was thinking of going to Thailand to visit Milo and Roger. OK anybody that don't know them, and that they have one of the funniest comedy magic acts of all time... OUT, GO, YOU LOSE, BEAT IT.... Whew, you think Magic is weird. I just watched a new Madonna Video... I can see the censors going nuts on that stuff. Also did you hear Shandling's line last night on Letterman about the guy holding her boobs on the MTV award show? . Mebbe to succeed the new wave magi have to get hornier on stage? Msg #19869 Dated 14:44:38 09-20-91 19830 <--> 19870 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I guess I have to answer this again as the private one will not get sufficient circulation to clear my name. . In regard to my statements about the Carney writing, it looks like --according to definition--I am innocent of being a Demagogue. . Note: I just got a message from my Paris office, that 50,000 French men read Carneycopia and agree. And you know what they say about 50,000 Frenchmen. After all, they ARE Frogs and you know Frogs are good, frogs are right and Frogs, in France, are sometimes referred to as "Kermits"... bye bye Msg #19870 Dated 14:44:51 09-20-91 19831 <--> 19874 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Well then STOP IT............... Msg #19871 Dated 14:51:41 09-20-91 19733 <--> 19886 From: MARVIN STERN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Pete: There's a great place for lunch, on Sunset, in Hollywood, dthat serves English Bangers. Excellent, just like Jolly "Ole with mountains of mashed potatoes. Save some time on next trip to LA and we can get the Frog and go. Good food--. Msg #19874 Dated 16:13:27 09-20-91 19800 <--> 19879 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I think any coalition of neo-puritans would be viewed upon by the mainstream public as being a bit too extreme- out on the fringe and not to be taken too seriously. I don't think we have to worry about any small group of radicals gnashing their teeth and frothing at the mouth trying to have us banned as heretics or whatever. Mainstream America is pretty much destined to follow the path of "Middle of the Road" for better or worse. I don't think all of the neo-puritans put together is enough to have any effect on us whatsoever. However.... I will keep an eye on them. Msg #19875 Dated 16:20:38 09-20-91 19768 <--> 19887 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER I must admit that I was starting to get a little pissed at Williams for horning in on Jonathan's segment....funny: yes....considerate: no. 'W. Msg #19876 Dated 16:23:33 09-20-91 19690 <--> 19884 From: WAYNE POWERS To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW The Gleason Cup & Saucer was made by Owens I think....and the the spoon doesn't actually "kick"...it sorta staggers. I think Owens made only one set....but it was a GREAT ONE. 'W. Msg #19877 Dated 16:47:01 09-20-91 19842 <--> 20629 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEW COIN IDEA Yeah! Because of the baseball on finger incident I now have trouble pointing the FINGER at anyone. Msg #19878 Dated 16:47:06 09-20-91 19843 <--> 19883 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS I remember reading about it in the Hofzinser card book a while back and think it is also in _Gaffed To The Hilt_ collective though I've never tried it though I like the glow of candles on a winter's eve. Msg #19879 Dated 16:47:11 09-20-91 19844 <--> 19902 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I heard that. It would be other maguses (I know, I know-I spelled it thataway on purpose, why I dunno) trying to do us in - also, why I dunno!!!!!! Msg #19880 Dated 16:47:17 09-20-91 19845 <--> 20027 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LIMBAUGH Yeah, same with building magic. My first is usually a little off so whenever I embark on a new table or gaffus I usually build two and let the mistakes happen on (pardon the expression) NUMBER 1. Msg #19883 Dated 16:47:38 09-20-91 19848 <--> 19899 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS The _Best O' Benzais_ is a great little book, not to mention a hot colour. I discovered it years back when I was looking for info on splitting hairs, er cards. A lot of good magic in there. I don't kno diddly about his personal life except he was "into" magic with cards. Msg #19884 Dated 16:47:44 09-20-91 19851 <--> 19888 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I hope you really let it hang out in the next book. Get into all kinds of stuff that you've been dreaming up all these years. Will the rat trap be included? Some really excellent stuff. Call it _The Real Works_ as opposed to the reel. Msg #19885 Dated 16:47:51 09-20-91 19853 <--> 19907 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW Billy Robinson (CLS) is one of my favorite studies. The fact that he was able to pull off the Chinaman bit for so long and his bullet catch, etc and even challanging Ching for supreme Chinese conjurer makes for interesting reading. His demise points to the fact that periodic maintance is necessary even in a magic show. Msg #19886 Dated 16:47:58 09-20-91 19860 <--> 19908 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Rudy was over last night and showed me the Bob Sheets Rope Through Body (forget what Sheetman calls it) and slayed me. I even saw the gaffus (well the part on the rope I was holding) and the penetration is a thing of beauty. Rudy is a little clumsy but even so the actual pull through looks great. I'd like to see Bob do it sometime as I'd bet he KILLS with it. Also Rudy didn't have a way to clean up after and would like to see how Bob does it. Rudy worships Al Cohen and buys everything Al thinks would be good for Rudy and this is good good. Msg #19887 Dated 16:48:07 09-20-91 19862 <--> 19924 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER There are some early Winters albums at my mom's house as my dad was a comedy nut and built a stereo just so he could listen to Winters, Redd Foxx, etc. I'll have to check and see if we got one of the vintage Biro entertainment photos. Oh, not to forget Moms Mabley... Msg #19888 Dated 16:48:14 09-20-91 19863 <--> 19897 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I can't eat no omelettes no mo since I found out it was what was causing the brain damage (egg yokes) but I am mostly cured (ham) now. Friend was in jail for speeding down in Hinesville, Ga and said for supper they gave him one giant grit on a tin plate. BTW, guy was from Chicago so it was probably a hommany. Msg #19896 Dated 20:21:31 09-20-91 -> 19934 From: TABBY CRABB To: ALL Re: PENETRATION I seek information which will lead me to the origins of the penetration frame effect such as that of Massey or the Thayer Penetration Card Frame or ilk. Muchas gracias. Msg #19897 Dated 20:37:01 09-20-91 19839 <--> 19898 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Agreed - never did care much for raw Muscadines. But we do owe thanks to Bo's family for keepin' Pine Mt. up. Msg #19898 Dated 20:39:15 09-20-91 19851 <--> 19926 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Not bad, Biro, not bad at all. But wasn't "Chiken in every pot" just a shade before the 50's? Anyway, good effect and appreciate you sharing. Msg #19899 Dated 20:43:27 09-20-91 19855 <--> 19900 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS Bring money? I can't - I spent my last two hundred on a hundred dollar bill switch. Msg #19900 Dated 20:44:24 09-20-91 19856 <--> 19901 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS That sounds neat! I have a couple of watches that should be hollow. Also have one with a built in cigarette lighter and one with a 15-second recording capability - it stores sound in RAM and will play it back. Msg #19901 Dated 20:46:12 09-20-91 19857 <--> 19925 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS Thanks for the info on the extra pip on the card. Yeah, I've seen the mechanical/optical ones and I agree - destined for magician's drawers. Msg #19902 Dated 20:47:42 09-20-91 19850 <--> 19903 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Yeah, the Caldwell line is good. But magician should be a respectable term. Then again, so should "teacher" and "lawyer" be respectable terms! Msg #19903 Dated 20:53:18 09-20-91 19869 <--> 19904 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Yeah, if the Frogs agree, it must be good. I'll go read the first 20 pages of Carneycopia again - but if you keep this up, I'm never going to get the rest of the book. Msg #19904 Dated 20:54:58 09-20-91 19870 <--> 19905 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? It ain't easy to stop a juggernaut, Pete. But I'm workin' on it. Msg #19905 Dated 20:56:36 09-20-91 19874 <--> 19954 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Apparently, I've been asked to cease and desist on this theme. Your thoughts make a lot of sense and are appreciated. Msg #19906 Dated 21:04:15 09-20-91 19849 <--> 19921 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LENO That's how I felt all through growin' up in Florida, "I only saw the last 15 minutes." Msg #19907 Dated 21:05:21 09-20-91 19853 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: YOUR REVIEW I thought he did that. Colleges often have interns available too, but that is more complex than just hirin' 'em. Msg #19908 Dated 21:06:30 09-20-91 19858 <--> 19909 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I was trying to EXTEND those hands, not chop 'em off! Yep, you, Bill, Jim, and the Tabman is doin' fine. Guess I'm supposed to go join SAM, huh? Msg #19909 Dated 21:07:32 09-20-91 19859 <--> 19922 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Nope, it wasn't da mustard, it was da buns. Msg #19911 Dated 22:12:31 09-20-91 18948 <--> 19945 From: GARY PLANTS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST! Gosh David, I don't think I can make it out to the shows. Do you think you could VIDEO TAPE the two shows for me!!!!! I really hate to miss it. Msg #19913 Dated 22:21:11 09-20-91 19593 <--> 19946 From: GARY PLANTS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: KAPS Pete, I am interested in anything you work up with Mr. M. How much is he asking for the belly strippers? Msg #19916 Dated 22:25:07 09-20-91 19696 <--> 20649 From: MICHAEL AMMAR To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: HARMON BAKER Thank you very much, Bill! Msg #19918 Dated 22:30:48 09-20-91 19717 <--> 19920 From: MICHAEL AMMAR To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE Wow - don't ya hate it when they bring things like that ? Msg #19919 Dated 22:32:30 09-20-91 19540 <- From: MICHAEL AMMAR To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: I'M BACK! Hi David! This trip to HIDA is very tight, schedule-wise. I can probably arrange for you to get a pass in, but I won't be working the floor this time. I'll be arriving Tuesday afternoon, and I'll start in the Suite at 7:00, strolling around. Then a stand up piece for 30 minutes, closing with another hour of strolling arnd. Then I'm out the very next morning at 8:00 a.m. for Washington, D.C., for the AFPA. It'll be with the same company - Enzymatics. Only in Washington, D.C. I'll be working the floor from 9-5 Thursday, and 9-4 Friday, and my flight leaves at 6:00 on Friday. I don't like coming and going so quickly, but it couldn't be helped. I'm currently involved in filming a video for the public, called ICEBREAKERS - Magical Surprises with Everyday Objects. We filmed today, with several on location scenes, including a trip to David Luther's office! You'll see fellow MAGIC! subscriber, David Luther in a cameo performance on the ICEBREAKERS video! . Last night we filmed some moments with the SAM club, tomorrow we go to an archery range, then to the Alamo, and other on location footage, ending up with the in studio footage Sunday and Monday. . Give me a call Monday morning, and I'll see if I can get you a pass! Msg #19920 Dated 22:42:00 09-20-91 19571 <--> 20026 From: MICHAEL AMMAR To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MAGIC: LONDON/FLORENCE OK, my friend, I've come up with some information, but it's several pages. Want to give me a FAX number? Msg #19921 Dated 23:04:52 09-20-91 19719 <--> 19936 From: DANTE LARSEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LENO I think Ringling Bros' noticed the declining public opinion of clowns. They now have as their featured act David Larrabee who is a clown. Apparently he was brought in with the amount of money they usually reserve for large scale acts like G.G. Williams etc. I don't know how the strategy is working or if he will be signed up next season (probably a five year contract) but he must be one rich clown. Msg #19922 Dated 23:26:58 09-20-91 19871 <--> 19927 From: PETE BIRO To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION OK, will let the Frog know I am hungry next trip. I think it be in November first part of Month (I acually going to Baja). Msg #19924 Dated 23:27:08 09-20-91 19875 <--> 19938 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER I dunno... I think if Jonathan had been first and Willams second, John would have reacted to him as well.... I thought there would be NO WAY either would sit and JUST LISTEN... I loved it... Msg #19925 Dated 23:27:14 09-20-91 19883 <--> 19928 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VIDEOS My understanding was he was probably a street wise card hustler. He died (T A info) in car accident. He and my pal were pretty tite. The one that cheated big time for years in real ## games... Msg #19926 Dated 23:27:20 09-20-91 19884 <--> 19949 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Originally I was calling it 'SON OF GREATER MAGIC'... not sure... It won't start until this one is in bed. Msg #19927 Dated 23:27:25 09-20-91 19886 <--> 19929 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Sheets does it so goooood... and he has an improved version. I am going to try to get ahold of it one of these days... Msg #19928 Dated 23:27:30 09-20-91 19899 <--> 19930 From: PET BRO T: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS I was doing magic shows in the 40s dude... Msg #19929 Dated 23:25:11 09-20-91 19860 <--> 19931 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Great killer on the rope switch! And tossing the egg bag with the line is a good 'un also. Sounds like you toss a lot into the audience - guess I will see, as the tapes arrived today. Hope to watch 'em over the weekend, but Nathan has a reserve on the VCRs - he's watching Danny Kaye and the New York Philharmonic. One of the reasons I wanted the Oreo job was that I always wanted to toss my cookies into the audience. Msg #19930 Dated 23:27:34 09-20-91 19900 <--> 19947 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS 15 seconds? Just great for one liners. Msg #19931 Dated 23:27:41 09-20-91 19908 <--> 19935 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Don't join nuttin... let 'em come to you. Seriously, the local clubs are all important... but the problem with most of them, and this isn't just magic clubs... they tend to stagnate and need new leadership from time to time. Amazingly, some clubs are incredible and have great activities and others are junk. It is the leaders that count. Msg #19934 Dated 23:28:08 09-20-91 19896 <--> 19974 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: PENETRATION Garbo was the best. Ken Brooke new the work. It was in the pro act of Howard DeCourcey (in England). The effect was a bird was on one side of a mirror and wound up on the other side. It was in a frame and there was some kind of cover... but I don't know... mebbe T A knows if it was in print. Jay Marshall might know as Steinmeyer too, but he is in London working on the Secret Cabaret show. Msg #19935 Dated 23:27:59 09-20-91 19861 <--> 19937 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Msg #19936 Dated 23:28:17 09-20-91 19921 <--> 19965 From: PETE BIRO To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: LENO Thanks for the Clown info... I guess I wasn't the only one that noticed the lack of quality there. Kenneth Feld is no dummy. Look what he's done for Seigfried and Roy! I guess I missed the circus, it just left the area... will hope he is in the show next year and get to see it. . Cirque Soliel (spelling?) is the best thing I have seen of late regarding circuses. Saw it last time I was in Santa Monica... What a great show! The Pickle Family Circus (Northern Calif. based) is OK, but not in the same league. . And you know Jay Leno's description of Circus Vargas? Syphaletic. Msg #19937 Dated 23:30:48 09-20-91 19922 <--> 19950 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Hey, if Marv is buyin', I'm in. Msg #19938 Dated 23:32:04 09-20-91 19887 <--> 19975 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER No way you can forget Moms! Twenty-four years ago this month, we saw her on the Merv Griffith show. We were comps and sat right next to her family. She was terrific - but they had to edit the tape so much that when the show aired, they introed her, cut to a commercial and introed the next person! But you left out Brother Dave. Msg #19939 Dated 23:35:37 09-20-91 19864 <--> 19940 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS I'm not exactly sure that the line is ruler straight. Did yours go thru just below Palmdale? Besides, I don't think it is supposed to actually "fall into the ocean," I think it is supposed to tilt up at a 45-degree angle and everything is just supposed to slide off. Still, for the past couple days, I've had earthquake fever - not as bad as some times - but sorta lurking. I even went out and tested the MAGIC! generator. Msg #19940 Dated 23:38:10 09-20-91 19865 <--> 20644 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS "Who says the rats are minors?" Well, I certainly wouldn't call most of 'em _major_ talents -- although some of the latest grafitti is quite a bit more artistic than the old stuff. I think it is an Oriental influence. And a great deal of it is better than some of the sponsored "art" here in town. Msg #19941 Dated 23:40:10 09-20-91 19866 <--> 19942 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE "When will those with jobs give in a little in tuff times to keep 'em?" I suspect that will happen about an hour after Apple leaves. Msg #19942 Dated 23:41:27 09-20-91 19867 <--> 19986 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE I think that you have to go with the times. I've been listening to a lot of 30's and 40's radio programs and some of 'em are raunchier than would be thought. On the other hand, I think that sexual innuendo (or downright sexual acts) are a cover for weak entertainment. If you can't deliver good, you can always deliver sex. Same with violence. I haven't seen the new Madonna stuff yet, but she is one of my favorites. I think she is a brilliant lady whose work will long outlast her critics. Her reply to the pornography comments about her new stuff was the most brilliant definition I've ever heard - one I wish the legal system would adopt - she said, "It isn't pornography if you don't need the money." Msg #19945 Dated 0:06:36 09-21-91 19911 <--> 19987 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: GARY PLANTS (X) Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST! No problem for me to videotape the two shows for you. I'll be delighted to do it. Just get Max and Lance to tell me it is OK and I'll FedX the tapes to you on Oct. 10th. Msg #19947 Dated 0:14:10 09-21-91 19928 <--> 19948 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS I know you were doin' magic shows in the 40's. Just that you said the "chicken" notes were ca. 50's. By the way, was that the 1840's or the 1940's? Msg #19948 Dated 0:15:18 09-21-91 19930 <--> 19952 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS You know, you are right! The 8 to 15 seconds of digital voice storage on my watch _is_ just right for one liners. OK, tell you what -- do all your one-liners on your watch. Msg #19949 Dated 0:16:34 09-21-91 19926 <--> 19968 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I've always felt it should be "SON OF GRATER MAGIC," it woulld go so well with the companion volume, "WOK THIS WAY." Msg #19950 Dated 0:17:26 09-21-91 19931 <--> 19973 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Is there a Ring Leader's Handbook? Or are there any regional sessions for training the leaders? A lot of other types of organizations do that - they have a statewide or regionwide or whatever Leadership Training program each year for all the new chapter officers. I really don't know how the IBM system works, but another thought is that some organizations have point systems and awards for chapters. The chapters are usually divided by size, etc. so that the "bug guys" with all the resources aren't killing the little chapters. Then they get points for having different types of meetings, different events, things like points for members attending lectures, etc. It provides both guidance and incentive for chapters to be active. Msg #19952 Dated 2:23:57 09-21-91 19784 <--> 19953 From: T A WATERS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: VIDEOS I only knew Jaks during the last couple years of his life and he did not strike me as being particularly unhappy. One might suppose that the phrasing was Bluemle's way of telling us that Jaks was gay (hardly a secret) -- but he didn't seem uneasy with it, or depressed. I do not recall if Bluemle ever actually met Jaks. Msg #19953 Dated 2:27:14 09-21-91 19848 <--> 19969 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS Johnny and Persi were indeed pals, but I didn't ever hear of Johnny doing any moving. Msg #19954 Dated 2:31:06 09-21-91 19644 <--> 19955 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Reminds me of years ago Al Mann worked the Castle Parlour, did his Lexicon Phenom dictionary test. He kept having trouble with it because several times during the week he picked people who DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO LOOK UP WORDS IN A DICTIONARY -- they did not understand how a dictionary is arranged. Msg #19955 Dated 2:34:31 09-21-91 19772 <-->19956 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Jeez, guys; a demigogue is obviously HALF a gogue. Msg #19956 Dated 2:35:23 09-21-91 19798 <--> 19957 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Of course the educational system is related to magic; how'm I gonna do book tests if they CAN'T READ? Msg #19957 Dated 2:36:29 09-21-91 19800 <--> 19958 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? And at the other end of the social spectrum, there are those who view a great deal of magic as being sexist -- partly because people sometimes take things too seriously...and partly because a lot of magic IS sexist. Msg #19958 Dated 2:38:24 09-21-91 19830 <--> 19970 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? DEMAGOG is an acceptable alternate spelling!!!? What source says that? Msg #19962 Dated 6:48:06 09-21-91 -> 19998 From: CHRIS STARR To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CRUISING DOWN I was wondering if Max Maven has ever done any cruise ships...you know usually you have to double between performing and being the activity director, and just the thought of Max organizing the shuffle board games, etc brings a smile to my face..... ;-) -Chris Msg #19963 Dated 6:58:41 09-21-91 -> 19981 From: CHRIS STARR To: T A WATERS (X) Re: BAD VIBES A comment to the SysyOp, Big Dave: One thing that is slightly confusing about this bbs system is it's use of threads...other bbs systems, such as PCBoard, allow the configuration of specific conferences. In this way, special areas could be set-up for the users based on their specific interests, and might look something like this: Conf.1 - New Users Conf.2 - Magic Castle Conf.3 - Biro's Corner Conf.4 - Maven's Den (enter at own risk) just kidding Conf.5 - Catalog clone trick discussion Conf.6 - Close-up finger flickers Conf.7 - Stage Conf.8 - Comedy / Stand-Up etc etc etc As you can see, people, esp. new folks with little computer or any other experience, could go to the conference of their choice, rather than wade thru the serious volume of messages that appear on here. Also, their feelings are not as likely to get hurt if they field their questions in the appropriate places.... just my .02 worth... -Chris Msg #19964 Dated 7:17:01 09-21-91 -> 19982 From: CHRIS STARR To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TAOM CONVENTION What ever happended to Danny Korem??? -Chris Msg #19965 Dated 7:41:31 09-21-91 19314 <--> 19971 From: CHRIS STARR To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LENO Pete...you really know Leno?! How long have you known him? -Chris Msg #19968 Dated 8:38:47 09-21-91 19897 <--> 19972 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Not only to the Calloway's for keeping it up but for changing the name of Chipley, GA to Pine Mt. Msg #19969 Dated 8:38:52 09-21-91 19900 <--> 19978 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS You have a watch that has recordable RAM? This sounds interesting. Msg #19970 Dated 8:38:56 09-21-91 19902 <--> 19979 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Lawyers seem to take a lot more heat than magi and somehow people think teachers are them that can't do. I feel for the guy who teaches at a law school and does magic on the side. Sumptin's def wrong but I hold all three in the highest esteem right up there with astranauts photogs and recording engineers not to mention rifle shooting veteri- nary technicians, ex piano players and guys called frog. Msg #19971 Dated 8:39:05 09-21-91 19921 <--> 20000 From: TABBY CRABB To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: LENO That's what I hope I am after a couple of seasons with the rock and roll boys: One Rich Clown. Msg #19972 Dated 8:39:10 09-21-91 19926 <--> 19990 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Yeah, I don't blame you and _Son Of_ is a better title anyway. I'd forgotten about that one in all the excitement. Make it a BIG book. I finally found a copy of Greater Magic I could afford. I had one as a kid and let it slip away in a lending thing 20 years or so back to a drummer in some band somewhere. Loaned it to him and was to get it back a few months later when our bands were to do another show together only when the show came around he wasn't in the other group anymore and lost track. Charlie had a "well read copy" of the 1st ed on his list and I feel lucky to have gotten another copy for less tha n a hundred bucks. Msg #19973 Dated 8:39:21 09-21-91 19927 <--> 19977 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Sheeets has an improved version?? This I want to see. Maybe I can find some time to get over to the Scotsters house. I think BS is still living in his basement. At least his water bed and vintage poster collection was there last time when Bill took me and Charlie by. Msg #19974 Dated 8:39:28 09-21-91 19934 <--> 20003 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: PENETRATION You're right. Steinmeyer would certainly know the origins as well as Jay Marshall. I like the idea of using mirror as it seems all the more impossible. Will do some digging in the English portion of the library that isn't packed up. Msg #19975 Dated 8:39:34 09-21-91 19938 <--> 19983 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER Brother Dave. How could I forget Brother Dave? I heard he's a preacher somewhere in Mississippi now. Is this true? Msg #19977 Dated 8:39:46 09-21-91 19950 <--> 19985 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Somehow the idea of all this organization for magic clubs almost defeats the purpose of having a good time. Sounds like the JayCees or the Moose Lodge or something like that. Msg #19978 Dated 8:39:51 09-21-91 19952 <--> 19988 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: VIDEOS Maybe Bluemle was unhappy that Jaks was gay, or Bluemle thought that that meant being unhappy. Who knows. Glad to hear that this is more opinion than fact. Would still like to see that Jaks book if he ever gets around to putting it together. Would be a good addition - the idea anyway. Msg #19979 Dated 8:39:58 09-21-91 19956 <--> 19994 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? This is true. And who is gonna buy your books for the same reason. Msg #19981 Dated 8:40:11 09-21-91 19963 <--> 19999 From: TABBY CRABB To: CHRIS STARR Re: BAD VIBES I guess compartmentalization is coming. I hope that for power users the system can still remain open architecture as this is the beauty of it all to me. Msg #19982 Dated 8:40:16 09-21-91 19964 <--> 20004 From: TABBY CRABB To: CHRIS STARR Re: TAOM CONVENTION As far as I know Danny got trapped inside an upside down toppit and was crushed under the load of a vanishing aquarium. Actually, I must admit I haven't seen him in years; haven't heard of him in years. He was quite prolific at one time, but I think he tread once to often on some sore toes. Maybe he is now a lawyer? Msg #19983 Dated 10:32:51 09-21-91 19924 <--> 20063 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER Reacting is one thing....horning in is another. 'W. Msg #19985 Dated 11:34:49 09-21-91 19929 <--> 19991 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION I think it is the audience watching magic that winds up tossing their cookies? ;-) <--sub for ARGH with a smile! Msg #19986 Dated 11:34:55 09-21-91 19942 <--> 20015 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CIRCLE Try watching the DRY F***ing ON A PRINCE VIDEO! YOWAH.... A major publisher (music) was on talk show and said the difference between MTV and VH1 (both owned by MTV) is that VH1 is for more mature and MTV strictly for Tean Agers... whew, is that what the teens are doing nowadays? Msg #19987 Dated 11:35:02 09-21-91 19945 <--> 20066 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST! What does Max have to do with Lance and Seigfried and Roy? Actually Lance might like a tape... hmmmm... S&R, bring cubic money and talk to Bernie Yuman... hah! Msg #19988 Dated 11:35:09 09-21-91 19947 <--> 19989 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS 1949.9, to be exact? Uh, you could say, "Well, as they USED TO SAY, --a chicken in every pot!" Msg #19989 Dated 11:35:14 09-21-91 19948 <--> 19992 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS I don't have time. Hargh///\\\ Msg #19990 Dated 11:35:18 09-21-91 19949 <--> 20017 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW The old gag, "If you think that was great, do you want to see something Grater? And you toss them a cheese grater..." ARghj... Msg #19991 Dated 11:35:23 09-21-91 19950 <--> 20002 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MY FIRST INVENTION Don't ask me. I don't belong to a Ring. I am a member at large! Hah. I have always been a member of one of the great local indepen- dant clubs, "The Oakland Magic Circle" -- and also life member at the Castle and an MIMC of the Magic Circle. Msg #19992 Dated 11:35:30 09-21-91 19953 <--> 20016 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: VIDEOS Thanks. I never met Benzais, but admired his book and what was in it. His reputation was probably "improved" with telling. Msg #19994 Dated 11:35:43 09-21-91 19954 <--> 19995 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I guess you have to say, "Any college grads in the audience?" And then pick someone... er hey, that might not work either... Msg #19995 Dated 11:35:48 09-21-91 19955 <--> 19996 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? I'd rather be half a gogue than no gogue at all? Does that make any sense? Msg #19996 Dated 11:35:53 09-21-91 19956 <--> 19997 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? You chose the Yellow Book! Does that help? Msg #19997 Dated 11:35:58 09-21-91 19957 <--> 20007 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: IS MAGIC NEXT? Magic is not sexist. The magicians are. Just like regular people are. . I have a large slate with (I think 4 books) and all the words show up on the slate when you move a little lever. Who's idea is this? There is no instruction with it. Msg #19998 Dated 11:36:06 09-21-91 19962 <--> 20835 From: PETE BIRO To: CHRIS STARR Re: CRUISING DOWN The last shuffle board game I organized featured the Zarrow Shuffle. Msg #19999 Dated 11:36:10 09-21-91 19963 <--> 20006 From: PETE BIRO To: CHRIS STARR Re: BAD VIBES I bet everyone would read everything any way. ===END OF MAGIC-60===
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