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Msg #20501 Dated 11:26:55 09-24-91 -> 20503
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Er, I thought it was resonably clear -- the shop presumably won't let
you in unless you are referred by another customer. Supposed to be
good deals and very good tuxes. By the way, it is _Dr._ Lichtman. And
don't try the excuse that you were suggesting I had referred my
brother, he's Dr. too. Whole family. You are considered as having no
right to speak at family gatherings without the degree.
Msg #20502 Dated 11:30:32 09-24-91 -> 20511
From: MARVIN STERN
To: ALL
Re: IBM
Need the where and when of the 1992 IBM Convention. Thanks.
Msg #20503 Dated 11:29:57 09-24-91 -> 20504
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Hey! I used to know the Jolly Green Giant! Hershel Bernardi played
the role for a long time. You only see me in my conservative casual
clothes - I got a couple killer suits too. And I have a short wig for
when I meet with IBM (the other IBM) folks.
Msg #20504 Dated 11:34:09 09-24-91 -> 20505
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Hmmm... "Uncle Ben taught it to him." Was that a real clue? Or a one
liner?
Msg #20505 Dated 11:35:22 09-24-91 -> 20512
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Go ahead with the doctor joke, Tabman -- I wanna read it.
Msg #20506 Dated 11:37:02 09-24-91 -> 20513
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHIGEO FUTAGAWA'S LECTURE
Yes, the effect would be SUPER on a Tabman table -- and I happen to
have one that is just the PERFECT size for it. Right now busy
rehersing Nathan.
Msg #20507 Dated 11:40:35 09-24-91 -> 20508
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Please tell me more about the John Kennedy tube. Would it work
close-up? Or only stage?
Msg #20508 Dated 11:41:53 09-24-91 -> 20509
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Why no cape? Looks great with his tux and red tie. Seriously - he is
going to perform in clothes similar to those his peers will be wearing,
nothin' fancy. Just thinkin' about this clothes thing and I think
there are two schools of thought - one is to dress within a reasonable
expectation of your audience (which could include the dressiest they
would feel comfortable in) - message: I'm one of you. Other is to
dress above them (like with tux) - message could be: I'm different,
more powerful than you, but care has to be taken as it could backfire
and say "I think I'm _better_ than you." Both approaches, done right,
are probably major controlling factors in how mage is perceived.
Msg #20509 Dated 11:46:27 09-24-91 -> 20528
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
OK, was just concerned - not that you didn't get pun - but that you
thought I was being insulting or something. Maybe gears/flint wheel
could be replaced with one from disposable lighter?
Msg #20511 Dated 11:51:01 09-24-91 20502 <--> 20522
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM
OK, it's Salt Lake City and the when is June 30-July 4 1992. Should
be a nice convention.
Msg #20512 Dated 11:51:05 09-24-91 20505 <--> 20519
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
No way I'm gonna touch that joke with anybodies finger.
Msg #20513 Dated 11:51:10 09-24-91 20506 <--> 20520
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHIGEO FUTAGAWA'S LECTURE
I think the size table you've got is great for micro magic or would
also be the equiv of an Ammar sized table for Nathan. Am working on
a great new idea for a tabman table and will maybe spread a couple
of them around to get some feedback. I would like to make one for
myself though sometime. Since Ray Mertz didn't use his in Baltimore
the other night maybe he wouldn't mind returning it. It was real
nice with Cherry frame. I'm really getting fond of cherry. A guy in
Colorado makes beautiful CRAPS tables for a Casino supply in Vegas
and they are cherrywood and green wool. Sure look good together.
Puts you in the mood for cards or dice. You know!!!
Msg #20514 Dated 11:49:55 09-24-91 -> 20523
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW GENII
Knew a lady who WALKED INTO A MOVING TRAIN! Seriously, there was a
pedestrian crossing near the plant (Lockheed Burbank) and she stopped
just before the tracks to talk to a friend. Never noticed train. Said
"See ya," turned around and walked right into it! Nearly lost her leg
and will walk with limp forever. Hope your bicycle was OK.
Msg #20519 Dated 12:02:36 09-24-91 20512 <--> 20531
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
If it is that bad, I trust your judgement - don't do the joke!
Msg #20520 Dated 12:03:48 09-24-91 20513 <--> 20567
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SHIGEO FUTAGAWA'S LECTURE
Sounds like the brains is always perkin' at the Conjurors Woodworks.
Cherry is very nice wood. I don't trust Nathan with the Tabman table
yet. Right now we are alternating between rehersals and Sesame Street.
Msg #20521 Dated 12:18:25 09-24-91
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RIDE TO VEGAS
Sounds like a hoot!!!! n't wait.
Msg #20522 Dated 13:43:29 09-24-91 20511 <--> 20532
From: MARVIN STERN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
Thanks, Tabby. I have since found the info in The Linking Ring,
but the ad indicates it starts 7/1.
Msg #20523 Dated 13:45:34 09-24-91 20514 <--> 20525
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW GENII
Dis-assed-er.
Msg #20525 Dated 14:23:33 09-24-91 20523 <--> 20538
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: NEW GENII
Dis-assed-er, Hell! Damn near killed her!
Msg #20526 Dated 14:38:06 09-24-91 -> 20554
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: OMC ANNUAL SPAGHETTI FEE
Just discovered a new cable channel... next to MTV and owned by MTV
ON COMEDY.... just watched a hilarious re run of an old Steve Allen
show... Guy was a genius. Also see they are going to start showing
the Mystery Science Theater... one of the funniest new angles...
Msg #20527 Dated 14:38:14 09-24-91 -> 20555
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GARBO?
My guess is 500 to 1000. I did buy the Goldston Reader, as it is
easier to read in that format than the Annuals... Most of the
Annuals are in bad shape. Goldston used very cheap production and
some kind of Ostrich (I heard Turkey) skin to bind the locked books.
Just found out you need to oil 'em. Byron has the special oil and
sed to bring 'em over and he would do it for me.
Anybody out there with REAL LEATHER BOOKS needs to oil 'em.
Will find out what kind. Just like baseball mitts, I guess.
Msg #20528 Dated 14:38:25 09-24-91 -> 20534
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
The first time the European racing guys came over here to race
in Vegas (the Stardust had build a race circiut out on some desert
property they owned) all the French and German guys left their
shoes in the hallway.
You do that in Europe and they are found the next morning all
shined up!
You do that in Vegas and they are full of sand, S**T and you
name it... if they are found at all.
Needless to say they were a bit upset.
Msg #20530 Dated 14:38:44 09-24-91 -> 20558
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DR. JAKS
Probably wuz Crandall, but the "Dorney (or was it Crandall)" was
fun to write over and over again....
Msg #20531 Dated 14:38:49 09-24-91 20501 <--> 20533
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
But can you NOT LISTEN if you don't want to be bored?
Msg #20532 Dated 14:38:54 09-24-91 20502 <--> 20539
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM
Salt Lake City, July 1-2-3-4, 1992 -- IBM Convention -- Be There or
be Square!
Msg #20533 Dated 14:39:00 09-24-91 20504 <--> 20543
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
"Uncle Ben" RICE, you get it? No? Sorry? With he and Aunt Jemima's
pictures on food containers I guess they are still missing.
Msg #20534 Dated 14:39:05 09-24-91 20507 <--> 20535
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
The Kennedy item is great. Depends on how close. You have this
thin tube up the sleeve. Other end is to butane supply. There is
a nice ON OFF lever that works EZ... You light a match and the flame
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS out about 2 feet.
You just gots to use care, as you wood with any fire/flash
stuff. See his ads in Genii? LR? And call him directly.
Msg #20535 Dated 14:39:15 09-24-91 20508 <--> 20536
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
That's why in Comedy Clubs I wore faded Levi's with formal TAIL COAT
that was out of date and tattered. They weren't sure. The garb did
help in setting up the fact they were not to take the magic too
seriously, although I always do real magic, no expose stuff or
throw away magic.
Msg #20536 Dated 14:39:23 09-24-91 20509 <--> 20540
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
I don't think the disposable lighters are usable (unless you use
the whole thing) due to their molded construction.
I have a great Hot Book that uses an old style Zippo unit to
make the spark. Some of Kikuchi's stuff uses a flint wheel that
is "custom looking" dunno?
Msg #20538 Dated 14:39:36 09-24-91 20514 <--> 20546
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW GENII
"Hope bicycle was OK" Hey you din't aks about me? It missed me and
the bike, but not by much.
Msg #20539 Dated 14:39:41 09-24-91 20522 <--> 20553
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM
Tabman is going in a day early to "get ready" for the good stuff
that follows!
Msg #20540 Dated 14:47:36 09-24-91 20534 <--> 20541
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Thanks for the Kennedy info. But I'm looking for a cigarette lighter,
not a flamethrower! So I need maybe 1" flame and with some kind of
piezo-electric starter that can be fired with other hand or something.
Msg #20541 Dated 14:49:17 09-24-91 20535 <--> 20542
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Did you wear a shirt with the Tail Coat? Or like PCX on here? Your
magic is unique - it is real magic, but it is totally Biro - the kind
of act that leaves 'em saying "GET ME BIRO," not "get me a magician."
That "stumble force" of yours is one of the greatest bits I've ever
seen. You should dust off your tail coat (or get it back from
Seabrooke's closet or wherever) and BOOK YOURSELF for SLC. And make
sure you throw in a lecture too!
Msg #20542 Dated 14:52:21 09-24-91 20536 <--> 20556
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Some disposables have flint wheel and shaft anyway. You just have to
break off the cover and the plastic. Might fit Tab's ring. Also, some
disposables now have piezo-electric ignition. It should outlast the
lighter by a long time and could be used. Can't say it will work in
Kikuchi's stuff or anything, but worth investigating.
Msg #20543 Dated 14:55:10 09-24-91 20531 <--> 20544
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Yes, not listening is VERY COMMON at my family's gatherings. But
transcriptions are available afterwards.
Msg #20544 Dated 14:56:38 09-24-91 20533 <--> 20552
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Yeah, yeah, I got the Uncle Ben's bit - just didn't know if you really
meant that he used "minute rice" or not. Good line about "I guess they
are still missing."
Msg #20546 Dated 14:59:25 09-24-91 20538 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW GENII
You'd already explained about your 40-years in traction, so I figured
you were OK. But you didn't mention the bike, so I thought I'd ask.
Msg #20547 Dated 15:22:33 09-24-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-54
The fifty-fourth set of MAGIC! messages - #16500 (August 29, 1991)
to #16999 (September 1, 1991) - has been transferred to a
downloadable file. The file is named MAGIC-54.TXT. This means that
you can now go to the file area, download this file, and read the
fifty-fourth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to
use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a
compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-54.ZIP and
is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version.
Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier
for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the
search for new messages easier and faster.
Msg #20548 Dated 16:11:09 09-24-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: THE FIRST LECTURE EVER
Tarbell's first lecture was held at Abbott's Convention and was
done in a tent.
The Berg Book. p.67
Msg #20549 Dated 16:15:53 09-24-91 -> 20574
From: MARVIN STERN
To: ALL
Re: BALLOON
A guy I know is shooting a commerical, and he needs a balloon 6'-8'
in dia. Any-one know where they are available in the L.A. area?
Msg #20552 Dated 17:25:58 09-24-91 20519 <--> 20561
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I don't know the joke. That's the joke. Get it?
Msg #20553 Dated 17:26:02 09-24-91 20522 <--> 20604
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM
I was looking at my schedule and don't know what day the conv
officially starts. I like to have a little travel time on each end so
I'm not always in a rush.
Msg #20554 Dated 17:26:08 09-24-91 20526 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OMC ANNUAL SPAGHETTI FEE
Guess what. I saw the Comedy Chanel on cable in Music City. It helped
pass the time in the lounge drinking coffee and playing cards while
we waited it out.
Msg #20555 Dated 17:26:13 09-24-91 20527 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GARBO?
I've seen numbers up in the 700s so it musta been 1000. Wonder what
a set of same numbers is worth. How about number 1? I think the
originals are much preferable to the reprint.
Msg #20556 Dated 17:26:19 09-24-91 20528 <--> 20601
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Sheesh. The lst time I was in Vegas I found some shoes outside my
door but they wern't mine.
Msg #20558 Dated 17:26:29 09-24-91 20530 <--> 20836
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DR. JAKS
Whether is was Dorney of Crandall it is a good story, funny too.
I can see it all.
Msg #20561 Dated 17:31:40 09-24-91 20552 <--> 20564
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Yep - it is the "no joke" joke. No problem, doctors aren't very funny
these days anyway. Too busy being hounded by lawyers.
Msg #20564 Dated 18:58:42 09-24-91 20561 <--> 20582
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I told your fish friar joke to an old hippie yesterday and he got a
good laugh out of it. Must be a good joke.
Msg #20566 Dated 21:28:32 09-24-91
From: STAN LAKE
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: THEATER EFFECTS
What a great guy! Thanks for the info on Theater Effects address!
Msg #20567 Dated 21:50:42 09-24-91 -> 20583
From: STAN LAKE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHIGEO FUTAGAWA'S LECTURE
Thanks for the clarification of details on Mr Futagwa's lecture.
Sorry if one of your own effects inspired him to invent a boring card
trick. Obviously, he wasn't inspired enough! Of course those comments
were my opinions only and others may have found that to be an
intriguing effect. I don't think many audiences would want to sit
still through all of that tedious counting out and laying of cards to
arrive at a single prediction.
Msg #20570 Dated 22:29:53 09-24-91 -> 20607
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Don't believe any calendar. Time is an illusion....
Msg #20572 Dated 23:17:02 09-24-91 -> 20664
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: PETER PIT
Hollywood, CA. (A MAGIC! "SCOOP") - Mr. Peter Pit will no longer
serve as a consultant to the Academy of Magical Arts and The Magic
Castle. This management decision was announced to the Academy's
Board of Directors at the Board meeting on September 9th.
Mr. Pit has booked the shows for the Palace showroom at the Magic
Castle for over 15 years, and has served the Academy of Magic Arts
in other consultative roles as well. Mr. Ron Wilson will assume
some of the activities previously performed by Mr. Pit, and Mr. Bill
Larsen, President of the Academy, will assume the booking
responsibilities for the Palace showroom.
Mr. Pit will remain in his elected role as Secretary to the Board
of Directors of the Academy. Contacted by telephone, Mr. Pit
stated that he is excited by the new opportunities that this affords
him and that he is already at work on several new projects.
Msg #20574 Dated 23:49:15 09-24-91 20549 <--> 20602
From: MARK LODGE
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: BALLOON
Edmond Scientific is a catalog company that specializes is odd and
unusual items they can be reached at (609) 547 - 8880. Another source
might be the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and/ or
contact a local TV station (Fritz is into magic) and ask them. Good
luck.
Msg #20576 Dated 0:19:03 09-25-91 -> 20587
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Beginning some months before The Man Who Was Erdnase (TMWWE) came
out, the THAUMATURGIST has been used as a vehicle to stage
attacks on those who Jeff Busby perceived as somehow at odds with
what can at this point only be described as a mission -- the
publication of TMWWE. First it was John Booth, who was accused
of all sorts of thievery and unethical scholarly actions, and
now, in THAUMATURGIST #19, it is T A Waters.
.
T A Waters used the forum of GENII to criticize TMWWE. Jeff
Busby uses the forum of the THAUMATURGIST to attack T A
personally. There seems to me to be something basically unfair
about Mr. Busby using his house organ to attack a reviewer of a
book that Mr. Busby co-wrote and published. A quite vicious,
personal attack, I might add. In addition to having a frothing-
at-the-mouth quality, it is frequently below the belt and argued
in an intellectually dishonest manner.
.
The two and a half pages (yes, 2 and a half pages) devoted to the
topic begins with glowing reviews about TMWWE. Then it shifts
gears, and attacks T A's objectivity by examining the scrape T A
alluded to in his Genii review -- that T A was angered when Bart
Whaley's review of T A's ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MAGIC AND MAGICIANS was
a pan. The shocking thing about this was NOT that T A's
objectivity was colored; rather that Busby assigned Whaley to
review T A's book when, a year later, Busby would publish
Whaley's ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY OF MAGIC -- a direct competitor!
It's the equivalent of having the movie studios publish reviews
of each other's product!
.
Then, on a wild tangent, Busby discusses a disagreement over
credit on the "KLUTZ BOOK OF MAGIC." He claims T A was unhappy
that he did not receive on-the-cover credit. But the real point
of the discussion seems to be that Busby DID. This is what is
known in the trade as a "pissing contest," and has little to do
with the issue at hand.
.
Then Busby tries to defend himself against the thrust of T A's
critique -- that there is still no real PROOF that Andrews was
Erdnase. Busby's defense rests on the notion that, back then,
there was no forensic science to speak of. It's almost needless
to say that this kind of logic does not hold water. It would be
like someone "proving" that ghosts existed in the 1600's by
pointing out there were no real cameras to record them.
.
The rest of the piece degenerates into bickering over scholarly
points -- things no one will be able to judge one way or the
other from the information provided. Then Darwin Ortiz's book is
attacked -- an innocent bystander savaged because T A's review of
that book WASN'T a pan.
.
"What's the deal here?" you may ask. Why is Jeff's hair up? And
the answer's here -- on page five of THAUMATURGIST #19, where
Busby has people noting that "...the conclusion that Andrews was
Erdnase [is] indisputable." This is why Busby has taken any
threat to his books so to heart. Andrews-as-Erdnase has become a
religion to him. An unquestionable truth. A given in life.
Questioning minds become atheists or, worse, heretics.
.
Perhaps Busby is so rigorously defending this "truth" because he
wants it to be remembered as his long-standing contribution to
the field. But that's no excuse for the personal nature of the
attacks he's meted out. The book's scholarship may or may not be
suspect, I don't know. Knowledge of the book is not necessary to
look upon Busby's actions with a raised eyebrow. Busby should
realize that with all this rabid name-calling, the casualty in
the end is the book itself -- it begins to look suspect -- smell
just a little bad. It makes you wonder why the book NEEDS so
vigorous a defense. If Busby protesting too much?
.
In the end, all this will pass. The truth will most probably
never be known, no one will ever be proved right or wrong. What
will remain, however, is the attempts at impugning reputations,
the mud-slinging, the bad taste in people's mouths from all the
below-the-belt hits thrown here.
.
I for one wish Mr. Busby would take all the pages he has devoted
to this issue in the past year or so, and use them for what the
Thaumaturgist did best -- telling us about the latest in books
and effects.
.
Picture Busby at a convention in the near future. Giving what
was billed as a lecture, but has turned out to be a loud, red-
eyed attack on the latest person to question his book. Then a
little boy waddles up to him. The crowd falls silent. Busby
stops his rants to look down at the child. The little boy says,
"More tricks, please."
Msg #20582 Dated 0:52:25 09-25-91 -> 20594
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Gee, Pete, I didn't know you cared...
Msg #20583 Dated 0:55:25 09-25-91 -> 20584
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHIGEO FUTAGAWA'S LECTURE
That's the Katz.
Msg #20584 Dated 0:56:13 09-25-91 20567 <--> 20606
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: SHIGEO FUTAGAWA'S LECTURE
No,no, don't get me wrong -- I thought it was a boring card trick too,
but it was Lorayne's, not mine. Mine was a boring number trick.
Msg #20585 Dated 0:58:18 09-25-91 -> 20599
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VANITY FAIR
No -- Vanity Fair is a vanish of a lady on a platform in front of a
mirror, when concealed by a screen. It uses the same principle as the
later lady-through-glass as used by Mark Wilson, but she goes away --
what happens is that the mirror slides up, creating an opening, and she
goes across a plan to backstage. Since the audience sees mirror all
around the little platform with the screen, she seems effectively
isolated; still a good principle.
Msg #20587 Dated 1:04:26 09-25-91 20576 <--> 20592
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
As you are about to find out, I am only slightly less crazy than Busby;
I have written a response to his piece and uploaded it here under the
title THAUMAT.TXT. Once our Sysop clears it, you might be amused by
another view of this thing.
Msg #20592 Dated 1:30:40 09-25-91 20576 <--> 20600
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Thanks for the kind words; they're appreciated. Funnily enough --
despite what Busby seems to think of me -- I think that when he has no
one he needs to attack his reviews can still be very worthwhile; I'd
imagine his customers would prefer reading them to the stuff he has
been doing. Again, thanks.
Msg #20593 Dated 1:54:29 09-25-91 -> 20612
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: THAUMATURGIST #19
Once upon a time (January, 1991) Jeff Busby Magic, Inc. published a
book entitled "The Man Who Was Erdnase" by Bart Whaley with Martin
Gardner and Jeff Busby.
A little while later (September, 1991), Mr. T. A. Waters reviewed the
book in his column in Genii magazine. Mr. Busby did not seem pleased
with this review and made his views of it known in the
October-December, 1991 issue of the Thaumaturgist.
Mr. Waters replies -- on MAGIC! -- the file is titled THAUMAT.TXT
and may be found in the MAGIC! Files Area. You will certainly want to
read it.
Msg #20594 Dated 2:11:34 09-25-91 20564 <--> 20605
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
"Old hippie" bit you did reminds me, for some reason, of story Leo
Buscaglia told me. He went for a walk and found a little wizened old
man sitting on a park bench. Leo got into a discussion with him and
finally said "Do you have a secret to your life?" (Leo is known to do
stuff like that) - "Oh, yes!" said the old man, "Always keep your mind
full and your bowels empty!"
Msg #20599 Dated 6:50:43 09-25-91 20585 <--> 20611
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VANITY FAIR
A good principle, agreed. The way the screen covers only the center
part of the mirror leaving the sides visible is the clincher that
makes it all work.
Msg #20600 Dated 6:50:49 09-25-91 20592 <--> 20610
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I agree with you TA. Jeff has made some fine contributions to the
art of magic.
Msg #20601 Dated 8:34:20 09-25-91 20541 <--> 20670
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
I wore a shirt. Only the Photo session had me sans shirt.
Do you mean you have seen the tapes? By your comments sound like it.
Msg #20602 Dated 8:34:26 09-25-91 20549 <--> 20608
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: BALLOON
I think the surplus places have "weather" balloons about that size.
Msg #20604 Dated 8:34:37 09-25-91 20553 <--> 20616
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
You better get there a couple of days early so we can set the shows
up like we did in Balto... c u soon
Msg #20605 Dated 8:34:43 09-25-91 20561 <--> 20657
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Will be calling the Dr. himself, Wells, in a minit! Let you know
tomorrowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwch?
Msg #20606 Dated 8:34:49 09-25-91 20567 <--> 20617
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: SHIGEO FUTAGAWA'S LECTURE
Bear in mind the language difference... and the POLITE audiences in
Japan. What Futagawa-san did that bored here might have been due to
the lingo...
Msg #20607 Dated 8:34:56 09-25-91 20570 <--> 21407
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
I believe, I believe... YOU. (Or anything I read --- on a computer
screen)! ;-)
Msg #20608 Dated 8:35:01 09-25-91 20574 <--> 20694
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARK LODGE
Re: BALLOON
Fritz is a funny guy. He worked the Comedy Magic Club in Hermosa
Beach and I was prepared to see "another well known person try to
get by and live in his/her reputation" -- and the fooled me... HE
WAS GENUINELY FUNNY. Very good in fact!
Msg #20610 Dated 8:35:17 09-25-91 20576 <--> 20613
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Not that I agree with Busby... but if the KID wants "More Tricks
Please" he should get up and leave and go to another lecture.
Sure it is too bad Jeff is so bitter. I grew up with him. He is
a brilliant guy. But he is bitter. And it has hurt him. He gets so
upset about things he has heart attacks. Another great and close
friend of mine was so upset over people stealing his material (Ken
Brooke) that he died!
You have to take the "reviewer's history and record" into
account when you read what they say.
Busby can write brilliant stuff. But he has gone too far, sure,
it is too bad. I wish he hadn't been so vindictive.
And remember... Thaumaturgist "IS A HOUSE ORGAN" he owns it, he
can write ANYTHING HE WANTS.... just read it with "him" in mind.
I loved the book TMWWE.... and I don't care if it is true or
not. Just like I love Agatha Christie... good reading... good stuff.
How do we know if the so-called Classic and Great History books
are all true?
I know, I'm off the subject... But, hey, take the reviewer's
history, etc. etc. blah, blah, blah...
Adios
Msg #20611 Dated 8:35:40 09-25-91 20585 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VANITY FAIR
Thanks... yep you, once again is correcto... I finally found it
in Hopkins. Reason I missed it before was from Tabman's description
I was looking for a CLOSE UP TRICK.... ahhhhh
Msg #20612 Dated 8:35:46 09-25-91 20593 <--> 20817
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THAUMATURGIST #19
I know it would be a pain in the woo woo... but why don't you put
the text from the Thamaturgist in the files area? Mebbe Busby can
upload it? OR is your Hard Disk too small?
Msg #20613 Dated 8:35:53 09-25-91 20600 <--> 20618
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Hey, what day is it?
Msg #20615 Dated 8:38:04 09-25-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GRANDMA'S PICTURE
Didja get the FAX of Grandma's Picture? Nice trick... eh what... right
up your street as they say in my friend's country! The lead in page was
not transmitted, as it wasn't relavent... but... talk acha as soon as
I find out what day it is... bah
Msg #20616 Dated 9:05:09 09-25-91 20604 <--> 20658
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Right now I've planned arrival on June 29. What day are you going
in. Maybe I should come in on the 28th. What day are you hitting SCL
in Dec. The 5th?
Msg #20617 Dated 9:05:15 09-25-91 20606 <--> 20703
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHIGEO FUTAGAWA'S LECTURE
Also. there are people who are interested in complex puzzles and
derive enjoyment from the same.
Msg #20618 Dated 9:05:21 09-25-91 20610 <--> 20619
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I read TA's rebuttle to the attack in Thaumaturgist this morning
from Files and it is suggested reading for anyone
interested in the controversy. My favorite part of TMWWE was the
history of gaming book publshing and the rundown on the various
editions of _The Expert_ which I have most of, except for the
valuable edition which Erdnase put out himself. I don't know if
Andrews was Erdnase, either. I doubt if anyone does anymore. Jeff
has done some great stuff and I am happy with my association with
him as now more people than ever have the tables I make and his
dealings with me have been fair. I can say the same thing about
TA Waters, as he has been straight up with me too. I imagine the
recurrant stirrings by Jeff may be in part to stimulate sales and
move the remaining books. It is a must have book if you are leaning
this way as is the Ortiz book in question, which, incidently, I
find extremely valuable and insightful. I agree with TA's assertion
that Jeff misplaced the emphasis in the key sentence concerning
Darwin Ortiz promise to write more on the Andrews/Erdnase question
in the future and found that surprising in the least. I wasn't
going to read the piece in Thaumaturgist until Evan Katz brought
the issue up so venomously and I wonder where he fits into the pictur
e. Evan's first message to me so many moons ago was an inquiry into
the Busby/Kaufman feud which I refused to fuel. His comment was
"Drat!" I am happy to say that I have all the books in question and
have read them, some parts more thoroughly than others, and have
found them all to be very useful. I find that while TMWWE and the
Ortiz book have remained unused since first reading that the Waters'
Encyclopedia has been an often referred to reference as well as
the Whaley reference works. In the Whaley, _Who's Who_ T.A. Waters
is listed in a complementary fashion unless I'm missing some inside
dig.
Msg #20619 Dated 9:05:48 09-25-91 20613 <--> 20660
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
It is the day before tomorrow. The day that you and I take over
both coasts and as a result the entire USA. Yowsuh!!!! Got yo fax
waiting when I get up on Aldini. Thanks. Great minds, huh? Maybe
there's hope for the tabman yet.
Msg #20623 Dated 9:25:57 09-25-91 -> 20625
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Do you have an agent handling it for you? Do you run ads in the
SF area? With interest rates down so low, it would seem a good time
to buy.
Msg #20624 Dated 9:26:10 09-25-91 -> 20626
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
But he might not have the English translation of Hofzinser. Besides
I was thinking he might want to try and make one 'cause peeling cards
is such an excellent character development technique.
Msg #20625 Dated 9:26:20 09-25-91 -> 20630
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Did you ever cover Stock Racing? As a kid I used to see the runners
going in and out on "Thunder Run" which was the roots for stock car
racing in the south. Those guys WERE grits!
Msg #20626 Dated 9:26:31 09-25-91 -> 20627
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The subway going by probably also gives the audience a chance to
clear their throats, cough, and what not. Humans are so adaptable.
Msg #20627 Dated 9:26:40 09-25-91 -> 20631
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yes...I knew that he was. Isn't money wonderful?
Msg #20628 Dated 9:26:48 09-25-91 -> 20638
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
So Stewart was not her maiden name...I shouldn't thought about that.
Pete probably knows Anthony Crabbe in England. I used to have his
address but think I lost it. I am sure he is a member of the circle
if you ever want to see if he is a long lost relative.
Msg #20629 Dated 9:26:54 09-25-91 -> 20632
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I am sure nobody would have suggested you were calling the pitches a
bit early!...and damn good thing it wasn't a ball!!!
Msg #20630 Dated 9:27:01 09-25-91 -> 20635
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I think you could very safely wager a considerable sum on it being
hot in Orlando in July of whatever year we happen to be there.
Msg #20631 Dated 9:27:13 09-25-91 -> 20634
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Frankly, after seeing the lecture, I wasn't so sure if it was the
props or the man that was being remembered.
Msg #20632 Dated 9:27:22 09-25-91 -> 20633
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
I am sure that Pablo Casals and Rostopovitch (sp?) would agree with
you regarding the cello. I am sure my nine year old will explore its
expressiveness as well...if he gets it to school in one piece today.
Msg #20633 Dated 9:27:28 09-25-91 -> 20711
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Maybe one of these days you or one of your groups will have a gig in
the civil theatre in downtown N'ville. Thats where we did our shows.
It is very near ye ole Soup Kettle.
Msg #20634 Dated 9:27:40 09-25-91 -> 20639
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Obviously, you saw right through everything!
.
(regarding the Hofzinser card)
Msg #20635 Dated 9:28:02 09-25-91 -> 20636
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You may be thinking of the "blowhole" which is just to the right side
of Honolulu (I forget the name of the city over there). It is a hole
in the rocks that water shoots upwards through when the waves come in
and they have postcards of it, etc. I have never seen postcards of
the place you are talking about.
Msg #20636 Dated 9:28:22 09-25-91 -> 20637
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Funny, your last name doesn't look like Polo!
Msg #20637 Dated 9:28:32 09-25-91 -> 20647
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Is that what Tia Maria is made from??? I didn't know that. Gad..
Tia Maria is good on anything or with anything or just by itself.
Would probably be out of this world on grits...huh?
Msg #20638 Dated 9:28:41 09-25-91 -> 20682
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Naw...Homo Magus disappeared up its own line and became extinct due
to the lack of an audience.
Msg #20639 Dated 9:28:47 09-25-91 -> 20640
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
You may get in trouble for attempting to do magic at the DMS, but I
don't think it will be with a union.
Msg #20640 Dated 9:28:56 09-25-91 -> 20641
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
That certainly would have been the timly thing for Slydini to have
done. However, he just looked stunned and then laughed.
Msg #20642 Dated 9:29:30 09-25-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COINS ACROSS
If I had more time, I was gonna use one of those large font programs
to fill up the screen for him with the message...unfortunately things
have been a bit too busy around here and I am having enough problem
finding time to download and answer messages at all much less
contruct special ones. Maybe next year....
Msg #20644 Dated 9:30:02 09-25-91 -> 20684
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
How far are you from the SA fault? If you are on the ocean side of
it then maybe you should start keeping a donut (as in rubber tire)
near by just in case you have an unexpected ocean voyage.
Msg #20645 Dated 9:30:13 09-25-91 -> 20656
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
But where would the computer pin its jewel? (or as some of my less
than respectful aquaintances refer to it...the Cheerio medal)
Msg #20646 Dated 9:30:23 09-25-91 -> 20651
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Wait a minute...bad enuf that Jay calls me an Owner...I don't need
for you to start calling me a Controller.
Msg #20647 Dated 9:30:31 09-25-91 -> 20668
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
There is absolutely no question about the fact that only ONE was
made...and that it was a GREAT ONE! I wish one of the channels on \
my cable TV would rerun some of the old JG shows.
Msg #20648 Dated 9:30:42 09-25-91 -> 20653
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WINTERS AND BEER
....or Brother Dave Gardner.
Msg #20649 Dated 9:30:47 09-25-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: HARMON BAKER
Anytime...
Msg #20651 Dated 9:31:14 09-25-91 -> 20659
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
We used to have Ring Awards and they were divided into Ring size
catagories. However, they were dropped a few years ago due to the
lack of interest in competing for them by the Rings. Apparently,
things have worked best over the last 60 or so years by allowing
considerable independence for the local chapters, thereby having a
variety of situations for folks.
Msg #20652 Dated 9:31:33 09-25-91 -> 20679
From: BILL WELLS
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I do recall that Bluemle did seem to go out of his way in explaining
that Jaks was gay. I think it bothered him more than it did the
audience. His comment may have also been based on Jaks having
bounced around in a number of endeavors before ending up with magic.
I don't recall Bluemle saying if he had met Jaks or not either.
Msg #20653 Dated 9:31:48 09-25-91 -> 20818
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WINTERS AND BEER
Unfortunately, it is not true. Brother Dave died in South Carolina
in about 1982 if I remember correctly. I will look it up for you
when I go home tonight.
Msg #20654 Dated 9:31:57 09-25-91 19982 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TAOM CONVENTION
I heard he was a preacher in Texas someplace
Msg #20655 Dated 9:32:02 09-25-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LIMBAUGH
Sorry....I just had to float it out there...
Apparently Biro is still stringing up wires as he has yet to
groan.
Msg #20656 Dated 9:32:12 09-25-91 -> 20685
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
...and you thought the term "knothole gang" started at some baseball
park!
Msg #20657 Dated 9:32:21 09-25-91 -> 20671
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I have found the Ph.D. to be of use when making reservations in
restaurants. Also the Dr. on your checks helps to get them cashed
more quickly...of course all of this being because they think you are
an M.D. and rich. Otherwise, the Ph.D. doesn't go much good. I
sometimes think being a Kentucky Colonel is better.
Msg #20658 Dated 9:32:36 09-25-91 20502 <--> 20696
From: BILL WELLS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM
July 1,2,3,4, 1992
Salt Lake City, Utah
Marriott Salt Lake City Hotel ($79 single/double)
Shows at the Capitol Theatre
for registration: IBM Convention '92
P.O. Box 7046
Alexandria, VA 22307
Members - $80
NonMembers - $110 ($30 counts towards first year of membership
if you wish)
Msg #20659 Dated 9:35:08 09-25-91 -> 20686
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
For a moment I mustard your meaning, but I catsup by threading back.
Mayo I suggest we stop before we all get indigestion.
Msg #20660 Dated 9:52:31 09-25-91 20592 <--> 20661
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I agree, his reviews can be excellent, and he has a very specific
outlook on magic that is just different enough to make his company
unique. His attacks, however, have grown mean, and that's really not
acceptable.
Msg #20661 Dated 9:54:23 09-25-91 20610 <--> 20662
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I realize Busby can write whatever he wants in the THAUMATURGIST, but
that doesn't make it RIGHT. Or nice. And I don't ANY of us should
condone it in any way at all. Whether it be by outright agreement or
silence.
If I used the power I had to reach the public to attack someone
personally, how would you feel about me? Think about it. Being prone
to heart attacks is no excuse.
Msg #20662 Dated 9:57:21 09-25-91 20618 <--> 20663
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Tabby--
I didn't bring up the issue venemously. Mr. Busby has the honors for
injecting venom into the equation. My message was a defense of T A,
and a criticism of Busby for attacking someone personally. How you
load responsibility on me for this is confusing to me. Isn't defending
people who are attacked supposed to be a GOOD thing to do?
In reference to my "Drat" comment, I was seeking information about a
much publicized feud that I know nothing about, and was frustrated by
not being able to satisfy my curiosity. What does this have to do with
the issue?
Just because you have had fair dealings with Busby does not mean you
have an obligation to extend that to other actions. If you condone
Busby's attack on T A, then please come out a say you don't think it's
that bad. But to call my message "venemous" seems to me to be shifting
the issue away from its source, and, because I have a personal
relationship with you, is hurtful to me as well.
Msg #20663 Dated 10:05:32 09-25-91 20662 <--> 20665
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
In rereading your message I realize I did not respond to your comment
that you "didn't know where I fit in here."
It is not exactly a private matter. Both GENII and the THAUMATURGIST
are public documents, and this matter is CLEARLY being waged in public.
I fit in because I believe to sit back while I think a wrong is being
done is... wrong. Standing up for injustice is generally accepted as
a socially desireable thing to do. If you don't think Jeff's attacks
are injust, then that is another issue, one which is different than the
things you touch on in your message.
Once again, I am confused by your message. Of all the parties
involved, I seem a strange one to attack.
Msg #20664 Dated 10:32:18 09-25-91 20572 <--> 20687
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETER PIT
Gee...whatta "scoop"...
...two-week-old info!
'W.
Msg #20665 Dated 10:36:32 09-25-91 20662 <--> 20666
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Evan,
I don't feel that I am attacking you or anybody. I don't think TA's
review of TMWWE was an attack on Jeff, though he (Jeff) seems to
have taken it this way. You seem to get some pleasure out of
controversy, I however don't. If I have hurt you I appologize. Some-
times your sense of humor is taken wrong too, I agree. In your essay
on Jeff's attack on TA, you referenced him (Busby) as "Red eyed"
and implied his attacks at magic conventions which he rarely attends.
Also, Pete's reference to "heart attacks" wasn't an excuse for Jeff,
but something that his internalized anger must of caused. TA can
obviously take care of himself, and he has ably done so in his
rebuttle in the files area. I'm proud of TA for not sinking to name
calling or other less than achedemic statements and sticking to the
facts. I hold him (TA) in the highest of esteem as it must be
obvious to all here on line.
.
In reference to my "defense" of Jeff, I hope you don't want me to
lie and say that he treated me unfairly, which he hasn't. I try to
always deal with people on the highest of levels, though you have
caused me to "slip" more than once and get my "red-neck" up, but
I don't think that is what is happening now. I recall some cruel
comments you have made which later you said that you were "kidding"
though I (and others) didn't know it at the time. Now, I always look
for the "Katz humor" in every thing you write.
.
I have no reason to attack you. Please don't think that I am. My
comments were true. I WAS NOT going to read Jeff's barage in
Thaumaturgist until you got so hot about it. I really didn't want
to get those vibes going as I try to keep things positive. I stand
for the rights of all concerned (you included) to voice their
individual opinions in this matter. MAGIC! is a "public" forum also
and by that token I chose to comment to my friend, Pete. I am an
upfront person as are you and would say nothing behind your back that
I wooden say to your face. TA opened my mind and I appreciate it.
I also appreciate the work that went into the book in question and
am a satisfied reader. Do you have TMWWE? Have you read it?
Msg #20666 Dated 10:37:02 09-25-91 20663 <--> 20676
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I appologize again for making you feel attacked. Your essay was
venomous. TA's review was NOT. TA's rebuttle was NOT. Jeff Busby's
WAS. Granted you waited til the end to get your digs in. I've not
led a perfect life either and you've nailed me a few times and still
we speak. I can tell when you're having fun.
Msg #20668 Dated 10:50:45 09-25-91 20647 <--> 20674
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The variety show is not being syndicated currently. The classic 39
Honeymooners episodes are...and the "Lost Episodes" are available for
sale or rent in your local video store.
The Great One was and is just that...THE GREAT ONE.
I have often been told that his influence is obvious in my comedic
work on TV....and I consider that to be the greatest of compliments.
'W.
Msg #20669 Dated 10:57:55 09-25-91 -> 20688
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: TA WATERS
Re: HELP, T.A.!
T.A. (and others),
I was talking to someone last night and he had a question I
thought you could answer better than I. He is interested in the
six booklet set called Mental Trix by Bernard Zufell. When was it
published and is it still available? He is already familiar with
Lorayne's work. He is heavily interested in mnemonics as applied
to magic and heard about these. Are there any others along that
same line that specifically apply to magic that he should look
for?
To everybody:
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks,
David (the other one)
(T.A. I tried addressing this to you, but I guess I misspelled it and
the system didn't know your name!?)
Msg #20670 Dated 10:59:03 09-25-91 20601 <--> 20718
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Haven't yet seen the tapes - WILL THIS MORNING if MAGIC! lets me. I
have seen enough of your act LIVE to appreciate it. I think that it is
masterful. An excellent example of adapting material to one's own
personal style and creating something very unique. Still think you
should book yourself for SLC - WITH LECTURE.
Msg #20671 Dated 11:04:01 09-25-91 20657 <--> 20719
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I don't use the Dr. in resturants, but, more importantly, NEVER in
hotels. Never have tried it on my checking account. Certainly would
NOT put it on my car insurance!
I do find that it opens doors in business. It has respect in some
circles. Always wanted to be a Kentucky Colonel, but have never done
anything much for the State of Kentucky, so my odds are pretty low.
By the way, just for the record, I have an Ed.D. rather than a Ph.D.
In my original academic circles, the Ed.D. was the degree of choice
whereas the Ph.D. was in some other areas.
Msg #20674 Dated 12:16:04 09-25-91 20635 <--> 20675
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Guess I'll have to get a map of Hawaii and see if I can find the right
hole.
Msg #20675 Dated 12:17:15 09-25-91 20636 <--> 20677
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Polo got all the credit - we were working on cash. By the way, Polo
was not one of the first to actually work out the trade route - it
already existed. What Polo was looking for was a way around the
"middle men" so that he could open a discount house for Oriental goods
(seriously). My Great Uncle was there on a later wave - as you will
recall, China was "opened" and "closed" several times.
Msg #20676 Dated 12:15:55 09-25-91 20665 <--> 20678
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
T-man:
Of course I don't want you to say that Busby has been unfair to you
when he hasn't. I think the fact that he as been fair to you is mildly
irrelevant to the discussion.
You are correct in pinning a love of controversy on me. Guilty as
charged. This is not the only motive involved, however -- defending a
member of our community against a bizarre and embarrasing attack was
the overriding motive. You might say that that was the engine, and my
love of controversy was the drive train -- enabled me to spit it all
out.
There really isn't much "Katz humor" in my message, except for the last
paragraph. I genuinely tried to break Busby's attack down into
sections and analyze it.
No, I have NOT read TMWWE, and that is why I have not thrown my two
cents in on the T A vs Busby issues. My message is in response to an
offensive personal attack, not my feelinbout the book.
I guess what bothered me was your applying the word venemous to me, and
not the Busby. At least not in your original message. The subtext to
me was that you were cticizing my message, and not Busby's.
And, perhaps it was not so bad that I encouraged you to read Jeff's
comments in the THAUMATURGIST. I wrote the message so that people
WOULD look twice (or once) at it.
And please remember this -- were Jeff to ever attack you in a public
forum in a personal and what I saw as unjustified manner, I would be
the first to leap vigorously to your defense.
Msg #20677 Dated 12:19:51 09-25-91 20637 <--> 20706
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yep, Tia Maria is made from Blue Mountain coffee. And yes, it is good
on almost anything. I must admit that I haven't tried it on grits yet,
but now that you've mentioned it, I probably will! On hotcakes and
stuff I use Roddenbery's Cane Patch Syrup from Cairo, Ga. I actually
have the stuff shipped in, as it is unobtainable in L.A.
Msg #20678 Dated 12:23:37 09-25-91 20666 <--> 20691
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Tabby:
xxx
ooo
-Evan
Msg #20679 Dated 12:24:37 09-25-91 20639 <--> 20680
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Hey! Look at it this way - if the effect goes over big, Joe Stevens
will be selling overhead projectors!
Msg #20680 Dated 12:25:21 09-25-91 20640 <--> 20681
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
RE: Slydini's keeping the watches being a "timely thing." -- ARGH! (tm
- Biro).
Msg #20682 Dated 12:28:56 09-25-91 20638 <--> 20710
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Homo Magus probably vanished each other. Couldn't have been through
lack of an audience - there are plenty of Homo Watchus around, not to
mention Rhesus Magicalumpenus, the later particularly known for the
"monkey see, monkey do" approach.
Msg #20684 Dated 12:38:56 09-25-91 20644 <--> 20699
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
We are on the ocean side of the San Andreas, but actually, it is not
our fault, as we have a closer one - the one that got Sylmar in '70.
Sylmar is only a few miles from here.
Msg #20685 Dated 12:40:29 09-25-91 20645 <--> 20726
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
Easy, Bill. The computer could obviously pin it's jewel ("The Cheerio
Medal") in a cereal port.
Msg #20686 Dated 12:41:59 09-25-91 20651 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY FIRST INVENTION
Well, if the independence works for the members, so be it. As in any
organization, it is the members that make the difference.
Msg #20687 Dated 12:44:55 09-25-91 20664 <--> 20727
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETER PIT
Well, if you knew the story two weeks ago, why didn't you post it? It
took time to check some info. And we still beat all the magic
publications - you haven't seen it in public anywhere else, have you?
Msg #20688 Dated 12:47:55 09-25-91 20669 <--> 20728
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: HELP, T.A.!
There is a space between the T and the A in T A WATERS. You did the
right thing in that a public message can be read my everyone anyway.
The problem that happens is when the name is misspelled in a private
message - then it goes in the "dead message" file.
Msg #20689 Dated 13:12:07 09-25-91 -> 20690
From: JIM SISTI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RAY MERTZ
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. My mom passed away on Sunday
and, needless to say, it's been a hectic week. Howie did indeed get
in touch with me and ended up subscribing in exchange for said wallets.
I'll be back in the saddle by next week.
Msg #20690 Dated 13:14:43 09-25-91 20689 <--> 20693
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: RAY MERTZ
Thanks for letting me know about your Mom, Jim. I'm here if you need
me. Will be gone til Friday night but back here til Oct 7 when I go
away again. I know she had not been well, but it is a sad time for your
family. My best wishes to out to ya'll. Hang in there.
Msg #20691 Dated 13:29:12 09-25-91 20676 <--> 20692
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Evan,
I was responding to something on MAGIC!. Jeff's retort was obviously
slanted, but no where in it did I get the message that he though that
TA Waters was a raving, lunatic which is how I perceived your satire
brought forward toward the end of your disertation. To me, the fact
that you have read or not read TMWWE is relevant since knowledge of
the content of the book would certainly have some bearing on how you
perceived both the review and the retort. I do not take it personally
that since I liked the book that I have been attacked by TA's review.
TA is one of the more complete and objective reviewers Genii has
had and I welcome the change.
Msg #20692 Dated 13:29:24 09-25-91 20678 <--> 20697
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Careful, Evan. Notice the thread header.
Msg #20693 Dated 13:29:38 09-25-91 20690 <--> 20698
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: RAY MERTZ
Our thoughts are with you, Jim.
Msg #20694 Dated 14:02:44 09-25-91 20574 <--> 20695
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MARK LODGE
Re: BALLOON
Thanks for the information. I have passed it along.
Msg #20695 Dated 14:03:27 09-25-91 20602 <-
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BALLOON
Thanks for the input. I had already suggested that.
Msg #20696 Dated 14:04:34 09-25-91 20658 <--> 20702
From: MARVIN STERN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
Thanks for the information. After asking the question on the board, I
find the info in The Linking Ring. Appreciate your reply.
Msg #20697 Dated 14:18:30 09-25-91 20692 <--> 20700
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Would hugs and kisses ABOVE the belt be so much better?!
Msg #20698 Dated 14:18:58 09-25-91 20689 <--> 20973
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: RAY MERTZ
Very sorry to hear about your mom. All my condolences... Evan.
Msg #20699 Dated 14:19:40 09-25-91 20684 <--> 20701
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Was the Sylmar quake the BIG one?
Msg #20700 Dated 14:20:20 09-25-91 20691 <--> 20704
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Tabby--
My satire of Jeff Busby as a "raving lunatic" does not have to be
validated by him attacking T A as a raving lunatic when Jeff... well,
has acted like a raving lunatic. At least that's one way of excusing
his offensive behavior. To think that he launches personal attacks
from a perfectly sane position would make it worse, not better.
I completely disagree that knowledge of TMWWE would have affected my
perception of T A's review as well as Busby's attack. This is becauser
I see his personal attack as completely trancending all discussion of
the book. He "broke the rules," so to speak.
And to call Jeff Busby's reply "slanted" is like calling the Grand
Canyon "another dried up river bed" -- it's a little oversbutle.
In the end, my position can be summed up thusly: Busby was mean. I
was, and am, standing up for a member of our BBS who has something mean
done to him. I really see it as that simple.
Msg #20701 Dated 15:03:24 09-25-91 20699 <--> 20725
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yeah, Sylmar was the last "big one." We didn't live here at the time,
we were in Alabama, but I understand that there was a "whole lot of
shakin' goin' on." Rock 'n roll was definitely the music of the day.
Msg #20702 Dated 15:25:01 09-25-91 20616 <--> 20714
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
I dunno about the Convention dates (my arrival -- depends on what
Nagel sez...) HOWEVER -- I have to leave the morning of the last
day to do a photo job... BIG $$$ job...
.
December I fly in on Delta arrive 11:25 am in Salty Lake Zitty.
Departure is at 2:45 on the 8th. Oh, Arrive on 5 Dec.
Msg #20703 Dated 15:25:11 09-25-91 20617 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SHIGEO FUTAGAWA'S LECTURE
Puzzles yes. But not for me.
Msg #20704 Dated 15:25:15 09-25-91 20618 <--> 20705
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I couldn'ta put it better and probably couldn't.
Msg #20705 Dated 15:25:21 09-25-91 20619 <--> 20722
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
What does Aldini have to do with it? I have his salt shaker.
Msg #20706 Dated 15:25:27 09-25-91 20623 <--> 20708
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Realtor just called me today and said "The market up here is just
dead... had meeting with the other realtors in the N. Coast and
none of them are doing any business... but think it will come back".
.
After a five month wait, Ford check came today. So, can breath for
a while... I hope...
.
Goodyear is going back to doing the ads next year so I am set there.
Tomorrow I meet with possible work supplier (New Magazine owner).
Will keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep you in touch.........bye
Msg #20707 Dated 15:25:42 09-25-91 20624 <--> 20709
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yeah, last time I was with the Frog I told him you got to peel
the THIN SIDE of one and the THICK SIDE of the other... he had not
heard that. Thought cards were split 50-50. Benzais has technique
in his book that is goooooooooooooooooood.
Msg #20708 Dated 15:25:51 09-25-91 20625 <--> 20712
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Last time I saw Richard Petty he said, "Biro, when you gonna come
back and cover stock car racin? Seems like the only time I see you
anymore is here at practice for the Indy 500!"
.
And Benny Parsons, said, "Hey dude, what's happening... you still
doing the great magic? (Aside to another pal of his...) This guy
(pointing to me) did the greatest card trick... and I thought he
blew it... he said he could predict half my card, and I got the
7 of Clubs... and you know what... he had a 3 1/2 of Clubs..."
.
Y'all want Grits with your breakfast?
Msg #20709 Dated 15:26:06 09-25-91 20626 <--> 20723
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
And let wind. Is that the "what not". (Boy is this from an old
message)!
Msg #20710 Dated 15:26:13 09-25-91 20628 <--> 20724
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
I thought it was Anthony Brahams that I know?
Msg #20711 Dated 15:26:18 09-25-91 20633 <--> 20978
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
Don't forget the small theater to the rear... Where we SHOULD HAVE
HAD THE CABARET.
Msg #20712 Dated 15:26:23 09-25-91 20635 <--> 20713
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
There is a "Buffaderia" (Blow Hole) off Ensanada, Baja, Mexico.
Msg #20713 Dated 15:26:29 09-25-91 20647 <--> 20717
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
My cable (at least the one I pay for) has been running old Steve
Allen shows around mid day and the guys are SO FUNNY... I FORGOT
HOW GOOD THEY WERE... Don Knotts, Gabe Dell, Tom Posten, and who
was the guy that played "Hi Ho Steverino... I'm a Party Doll"...
a veritable cornucopia of considerable Talent!
Msg #20714 Dated 15:26:38 09-25-91 20658 <--> 20715
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
I didn't know that.
Msg #20715 Dated 15:26:43 09-25-91 20658 <--> 20746
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
I just Printed your message #20658 (and hung on wall by Phone!)
Msg #20717 Dated 15:26:55 09-25-91 20668 <--> 20748
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
SNAG WERRIS, a member of the Castle (until he passed away) was one
of Gleason's writers. I love what Snag did and his humor knocked me
for a loop alla time. And Derman!
Msg #20718 Dated 15:27:03 09-25-91 20670 <--> 20740
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
If I book myself to perform at SLC the "producer/director side of
me would suffer from it and the ACT side of me would suffeer from
my producer/director activities." I can only do two things at a
time brilliantly.
.
I have proven this before.
.
To "knock 'em dead" on stage requires 110-percent of my thoughts
and efforts. One day.
Msg #20719 Dated 15:27:15 09-25-91 20671 <--> 20741
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
The late Jimmy Muir, one of the funniest magical MCs in the 40s,
used to use "Reverend Muir"... He found some religion advertised
in the back of a magazine and for $5.00 you could be ordained and
get a diploma to hang on the wall!
.
I think that's for me.
.
The Church of Magicology.
.
Actually Corinda loved my "fake" religion -- I told him I used a
line "Mental Karate" and Corinda said, "What a great name for a
Religion!"
.
Ricky Jay was with us and we felt he could be a perfect Grand Wazir.
Msg #20722 Dated 15:27:42 09-25-91 20678 <--> 20730
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Message #20678 looks like a TIE, in a Tic Tak Toe Game! Played
by someone that doesn't know how to win it. Tsk, ;+) Argh?
Msg #20723 Dated 15:27:48 09-25-91 20680 <--> 20738
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Hey leave me out of your stupid puns :-(
.
Ever see my impression of Slydini using Jerry Andrus' close up mat?
.
It will be in the book. You wouldn't understand it anyway, if you
have never seen Slydini demonstrate the "rest" position and Andrus'
4-inch thick foam mat!
.
Try to visualize Slydini's hands bouncing for about 30 seconds. :+)
Msg #20724 Dated 15:28:01 09-25-91 20682 <--> 20739
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
I have a plan to allow us to be no longer dependant on Middle East
Oil. We bury more dinasours!
Msg #20725 Dated 15:28:06 09-25-91 20684 <--> 20733
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
If the Fault Line splits, you will then (me too) have a chance to
see the Sun Rise and Fall over water!
.
For now, the Sun Sets in Dirt for many.
Msg #20726 Dated 15:28:14 09-25-91 20685 <--> 20754
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
I guess I just don't get enough sleep at night to keep up with you
guys.
Msg #20727 Dated 15:28:19 09-25-91 20687 <--> 20769
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETER PIT
Only on the wall in a PUBLIC restroom.
Msg #20728 Dated 15:28:24 09-25-91 20688 <--> 20729
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HELP, T.A.!
Hey, how about moving the dead messages into a file?
Msg #20729 Dated 15:28:29 09-25-91 20688 <--> 20755
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HELP, T.A.!
Forget moving the dead messages... except for the KAPS ONES!!!!!!!!
Msg #20730 Dated 15:28:33 09-25-91 20691 <--> 20731
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
TABOOOO... I have read Busby's commentary (it is his house organ
and he can say what he wants) and it is too bad he devotes so much
time to hammer on T A and his review. I always figure if you get a
bad review, get on with the next job and forget it. You yourself
know if you were right or wrong. He would have been better off not
responding so strongly. I wish he would use LARGER TYPE... this is
one thing NO OTHER REVIEWER has complained about.
.
However, if one knows Busby you know how to take his stuff. With a
grain of salt. It is just his way.
.
T A did a very thoughtful review in Genii. I don't have it (or my
glasses to re-read Busby... but feel both are due the right to
their opinions. Nobody is required to agree with them.
.
But, like you, I got the book and I liked it very much. It was
great reading. It could be argued that I should be upset if it is
not ACCURATE HISTORY. But, hey we aren't talking Nuclear Energy or
Brain Surgery here. Just theory of who was ERDNASE.
.
Wait til they read my book and research on the Man Who Invented the
Linking Rings!
.
Let's hope "Coathangar" Wilson (no folks you don't know him) and
"Bunky" Boothe can stir up as much as Busby/T A and anybody else
can help us with TO DO ONE THING... SELL GODDAM BOOKS AND HELP ME
PAY OFF THE BACK TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
What else matters?
.
Stay out of the Golan Heights? Pro Choice? Now there are some good
subjects.
.
Natural hand when palming? Eh! What is a natural hand?
.
Glug, another bottle of diet coke.
Msg #20731 Dated 15:29:11 09-25-91 20692 <--> 20732
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
BELOW THE BELT! is, however, above the shoes!
Msg #20732 Dated 15:29:16 09-25-91 20697 <--> 20735
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
You obviously have not seen where Tabby's belt rides these days!
Msg #20733 Dated 15:29:20 09-25-91 20699 <--> 20736
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Asilomar is the site of next year's PCAM convention. It used to be
on the East Coast of New Zealand. Now it is South of San Francisco.
.
The Sylmar Quake was so big it knocked down freeways in the L.A.
area. Hey don't you live in L.A. area?
Msg #20735 Dated 15:35:07 09-25-91 20700 <--> 20747
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I think TA was doing a fine job standing up for himself, personally.
Also, Busby was very helpful to this system in the early days and
was the donor of The Okito Check which I framed and auctioned off
for $150 quite some time back and while he hasn't been on in a while
for various reasons he is a member of this "BBS" too. Thanks for
getting me ready for Manhattan!
Msg #20736 Dated 15:35:15 09-25-91 20701 <--> 20745
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Rock and Roll is definately the order of the next two days as I will
be away tending to some rock and roll business in the Big Apple and
Atlantic City. Take care and see you when I get back Friday night.
Msg #20737 Dated 15:35:20 09-25-91 -> 20772
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COAST TO COAST YOWSUH!
Ee;20701
Hey Bro,
Hang tough tomorrow and wish me the same. We's got it going now.
Will talk to you Fri night when I get back. Gonna stop by Atl City
to say hello to Tony Roi and take Greg by and introduce him, well,
plus get somebody from the Elvis legacy to check him out to see if
I am right or wrong. Looks like I will be caught up and conscious
free when I meet up with you in two weeks. Have a great one and will
be thinking about you.
El Tab
Msg #20738 Dated 15:38:12 09-25-91 20723 <--> 20773
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Puns are one of the highest art forms - perhaps the only truly mature
form of humor. Puns rely on the intellect and a quick wit, rather than
relying on someone's misery (the victim may be the teller, a member of
the audience, or a third party) as most "jokes" do. I'll bet you
didn't even get the "apocope" one I sent to T A a few messages back.
Msg #20739 Dated 15:43:19 09-25-91 20724 <--> 20774
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Actually, that isn't a bad plan, Pete. I know a couple of dinosaurs
and a ton of old fossils that we could bury. Dig?
Msg #20740 Dated 15:45:02 09-25-91 20718 <--> 20775
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
OK, so book yourself for SLC, but don't do it under your own name.
That way you won't know you are doin' it.
Msg #20741 Dated 15:46:12 09-25-91 20719 <--> 20749
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I always rather liked the Church of The Miraculously Maintained
Motorcycle - just can't remember who started it. There are several $5
churches - some have had some problems with the IRS.
Msg #20742 Dated 15:45:46 09-25-91 -> 20761
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HONEYMOON
If you are driving to Italy, don't forget to buy the gas coupons at the
border. Makes gas cost a lot less.
PETE: I don't mean driving from L.A.
Msg #20745 Dated 15:50:55 09-25-91 20725 <--> 20750
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
What really gets me is that up near Palmdale you can actually see a
HOUSING TRACT built UP THE SIDE OF THE SAN ANDREAS. Apparently,
California law says you can't build within FIFTY FEET of a known major
fault line and that is all!
Msg #20746 Dated 15:53:06 09-25-91 20702 <--> 20843
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Haven't booked my flight to SLC yet a don't know point of
departure till we actually get the move accomplished. Will come in
5th and out 8th. Yowsuh!
Msg #20747 Dated 15:53:12 09-25-91 20705 <--> 20751
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
You've right. Aldini has nothing to do with it. I've been in a rush
all day and am out the door to the airport soon to pick up Greg and
drive to NYC to arrive at 4am, sleep and then a 10am appointment with
atty. Good luck tomorrow. I know the force is with us. Good things
is happening all over.
Msg #20748 Dated 15:53:20 09-25-91 20706 <--> 20767
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yowsuh, bro. Ford check is good and the rest is better. I know things
is good all the way around. Will affirm a quick sale of yo coastal
house tonight. Watch out!
Msg #20749 Dated 15:53:25 09-25-91 20719 <--> 20815
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I heard Joe Walsh is running for President. Now, there is something
I can gt behind.
Msg #20750 Dated 15:52:54 09-25-91 20736 <--> 20758
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Knock 'em dead in the "Big Apple," Tabman! Glad you told me, so I
don't send out a search party.
Msg #20751 Dated 15:53:31 09-25-91 20730 <--> 20752
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
A NATURAL HAND is a ten and an ace where I play.
Msg #20752 Dated 15:53:35 09-25-91 20732 <--> 20759
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Riding low, bro.
Msg #20754 Dated 15:54:03 09-25-91 20726 <--> 20780
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
Maybe you get TOO MUCH sleep to keep up with us! You gotta be groggy
to come up with the good stuff!
Msg #20755 Dated 15:55:10 09-25-91 20728 <--> 20781
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP, T.A.!
I DID move the "dead messages" into a file - Houdini used it to escape
from a set of handcuffs. Actually, I try to check "dead messages" but
it does take some time.
Msg #20757 Dated 16:11:34 09-25-91 -> 20898
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SHOOTING
Hope all goes well Friday. Going to try and stop-by the stage after
lunch at the Castle. Do ;you know what time they are planing on
shooting your part and on which stage?
Msg #20758 Dated 17:50:04 09-25-91 20733 <--> 20762
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I live right smack in the middle of the LA area. But I was informed
that LA, unlike San Francisco and environs is anchored to the
continental shelf in a stable manner. We're still thinking of buying
property in Arizona, and building docks facing west, though.
Msg #20759 Dated 17:52:59 09-25-91 20730 <--> 20763
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
When ARE those dang books of yours going to see the light of day?!
Msg #20761 Dated 18:06:13 09-25-91 20742 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HONEYMOON
Actually, we're driving only within Italy, so I don't think there's any
break to be had. Thanks, though! Any advice, please lemme know.
Msg #20762 Dated 18:07:04 09-25-91 20745 <--> 20777
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
What does the fault LOOK like?
Msg #20763 Dated 18:08:36 09-25-91 20722 <--> 20771
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
By the way, I saw "Argh" in a magazine recently, WITHOUT a copyright
notice to you. Thought you should know.
Msg #20764 Dated 18:09:28 09-25-91 -> 20785
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MANHATTAN
Come now, am I THAT bad that I've managed to prepare you for Manhattan?
Here's some advice -- wallet in front pocket, try pizza in BUSY-looking
place... let's see, what else... avoid Tannen's, maybe? Dunno, hard to
stay away, but everything I go there, I'm disappointed. Same
experience?
Msg #20765 Dated 19:21:38 09-25-91 -> 20795
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS
For those who will be staying overnight in LV after the Lance Burton
show, The Aladdin has the best rate I've been able to scope out. It is
$12.50 per person double occupancy. This works out to $27.50 for a room
for 1 or 2 people including tax. There is also a 2 for the price of 1
admission to "Alakazam" with Kirby Van Burch for hotel guests. I made
my reservation today. I called the Hacienda about reserving show
tickets and was told to call back later. Apparently reservations are
not taken until a week before the show date.
Msg #20767 Dated 20:17:06 09-25-91 20713 <--> 20768
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You're talkin about the truly wonderful Louis Nye.
'W.
Msg #20768 Dated 20:17:46 09-25-91 20717 <--> 20786
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Snag was a special guy. I have a few items from his magic library in
mine.
'W.
Msg #20769 Dated 20:26:43 09-25-91 20687 <--> 20796
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETER PIT
Yes, I knew the story two weeks ago. So what? Last time I checked, I
was not under any contractual obligation as a string reporter to this
BBS. My opinion was and is that the nature of this information makes
it Peter's and/or The Magic Castle's to divulge....not mine...or anyone
elses for that matter.
As far as my seeing the information "in public"...no I haven't. There
are a lot of "scoop" items in the NATIONAL ENQUIRER that are not
previously printed "in public," but that does not make the ENQUIRER a
meritorious publication.
'W.
Msg #20771 Dated 21:21:21 09-25-91 20735 <--> 20778
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Yeah, T A can fend for himself just fine. SUBJECT CLOSED!
Msg #20772 Dated 21:21:26 09-25-91 20737 <--> 21037
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COAST TO COAST YOWSUH!
Ride Fast... Hit 'em hard... and Take No Prisoners!
Msg #20773 Dated 21:21:30 09-25-91 20738 <--> 20797
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I get 10 cents for every Pun I write. Or... "Once a Pun a Dime"?
ARgh fer sure, dude mutha! ;+)
Msg #20774 Dated 21:21:37 09-25-91 20739 <--> 20798
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
Dig, as in let's dig the hole?
Msg #20775 Dated 21:21:41 09-25-91 20740 <--> 20799
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
I never know what I am going to do anyway... I am scattered mayhem
on the loose.
Msg #20777 Dated 21:21:54 09-25-91 20745 <--> 20783
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Is that Fifty Feet 'ABOVE' the fault? Or Fifty N, S, E, W?
Msg #20778 Dated 21:21:59 09-25-91 20751 <--> 20782
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I knew you knew.
Msg #20780 Dated 21:22:09 09-25-91 20754 <--> 20792
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
"Groggy"? How to do you... ah, you drink Grog! Frog dring Grog! Urgh
Msg #20781 Dated 21:22:13 09-25-91 20755 <--> 20793
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HELP, T.A.!
Someone once said, "File these slides", so I took out a Nicholson,
"There's one for every purpose" and began to file the edges of 'em.
Msg #20782 Dated 21:22:19 09-25-91 20759 <--> 20784
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I haven't written any "dang" books. Am doing one on the history of
the Linking Rings, the source of the creation of the effect, as
well as my "award winning" routine. I have to gather the art and
have drawings made. Then the publisher will have to print it.
I have a TOP publisher set, 90-percent of the writing done and
am gathering photographs.
Since I set the type as I write it (not like Jarrett who set
the type by hand in metal, printed some pages, took the type apart
and wrote the next page) via computer, it will speed up the actual
publishing time.
But I am in no hurry to finish it. I want it to be right. I am
checking lots of my facts with Jeff Busby.
Msg #20783 Dated 21:22:34 09-25-91 20762 <--> 20790
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I can't believe this question.
Msg #20784 Dated 21:22:38 09-25-91 20763 <--> 20804
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I must admit I read it a couple of times before I created it. There
is nothing better than a creative memory.
Msg #20785 Dated 21:22:44 09-25-91 20764 <--> 20813
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MANHATTAN
You avoid Tannen's. Maybe there is hope for you yet! ;+)
Msg #20786 Dated 21:22:49 09-25-91 20767 <--> 20787
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You got it, truly wonderful Lou...
Msg #20787 Dated 21:22:54 09-25-91 20768 <--> 20880
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You is one lucky (and clever) dude to have something from El Snago.
I just discovered a George Boston bookplate in a tome I was lookin'
at today!
Msg #20789 Dated 21:23:10 09-25-91 -> 20801
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: BIROTAPES
Ee;20770
YOUR TIME IS UP. THE REVIEW COPIES OF MY ACT AND LECTURE MUST BE
RETURNED. YOU HAVE HAD LONG ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT THEM. SORRY, DUDE,
BUT THERE ARE NO EXCUSES.
I need them to show Roone Arledge, who wants me to do my own
Four Hour Special on ABC. ;+(
Msg #20790 Dated 21:28:02 09-25-91 20762 <--> 20791
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VIDEOS
You've never been out to see it? OK . . .
o Drive North on Route 14 toward Palmdale
o Stop at the View Area just before Palmdale
o Look at the bronze plaque and use it to find the San Andreas
o Notice where it cuts across the road directly in front of you
o Drive through the "cut" and look across the road at the rock
o Notice that the rock contains a formation that looks like /\/
as if the rock had been twisted into a whorl -
That is THE San Andreas Fault
o Now go through and look at the houses up the side on your right
It is really a geologically interesting trip - not very far and the
part of I-5 from Sylmar and then 14 to Palmdale represents some of the
most tortured geology in North America. You will also see a very nice
side road to Vasquez Rocks - worth exploring and hauntingly familiar
(they are among the most photographed rocks in the World - perhaps THE
most photographed - used in lots of Westerns and lots of commercials,
they are probably Hollywood's favorite rocks).
Msg #20791 Dated 21:36:44 09-25-91 20777 <--> 20849
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
It is fifty feet "from" - apparently the builders took that to mean
something like "thru the hill to." The houses are built up the hill
that the San Andreas is IN.
Msg #20792 Dated 21:40:46 09-25-91 20780 <--> 20972
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
Yup! Frog drink Grog to avoid Croaking. Four medicinal porpoises.
Msg #20793 Dated 21:43:46 09-25-91 20781 <--> 20807
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP, T.A.!
I keep a file in the files, filed under Files. I also have slides of
slides - mud, rock, and ice.
Msg #20795 Dated 21:45:36 09-25-91 20765 <--> 20853
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS
Thanks for the great info on the Vegas trip, Burt. Perhaps can take in
a show prior to the Burton one!
Msg #20796 Dated 21:48:05 09-25-91 20769 <--> 20882
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETER PIT
Flattery will get you nowhere, Wayne.
Msg #20797 Dated 21:50:09 09-25-91 20773 <--> 20966
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
RE: "Once a pun a dime" -- sounds like someone only viewed your efforts
so highly once.
Msg #20798 Dated 21:51:09 09-25-91 20774 <--> 20969
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
RE: "Dig, as in let's dig the hole?" - Yes.
Msg #20799 Dated 21:52:36 09-25-91 20775 <--> 20845
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Finally got a chance to see a snippet of your tapes - the one from
Tokyo when you had more hair. Good stuff! That routine with the card
and scissors is great!
Msg #20801 Dated 22:01:16 09-25-91 20789 <--> 20858
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIROTAPES
OK - will get 'em back to you. The bits I've seen are really good. Do
you remember what it was you asked me to send to you along with them?
Msg #20804 Dated 23:10:05 09-25-91 20610 <--> 20805
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
A. Whitney Brown has a great new book out called THE BIG PICTURE in
which he points out that the past is what happened; history is what's
written down.
Msg #20805 Dated 23:12:17 09-25-91 20618 <--> 20806
From: T A WATERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
As far as my listing in Whaley's Who's Who -- he leaves a great deal
out, and what's in is mostly wrong. I am not alone in that, however,
so I don't take it personally.
Msg #20806 Dated 23:19:55 09-25-91 20782 <--> 20812
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I suppose a book on the Linking Rings would not be a "dang" book, but
rather a "ding" book.
Msg #20807 Dated 23:31:53 09-25-91 20669 <--> 20851
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: HELP, T.A.!
I dunno about the Zufall stuff -- but there is a trade paperback called
SHORTCUT MEMORY by Victor Werner that uh, had versions of a lot of it,
and some more stuff too. Also, Tom Harris had a series in Genii
starting in January of 1959 which was specifically aimed at the magical
applications of mnemonics. Important point: do NOT use the Nikola
system -- because the phonetic attributions are different from just
about all the rest of mnemonic literature. Lorayne's stuff for the
public is, of course, excellent, as is the Roth Memory Course and the
Bruno Furst stuff.
The Zufall stuff, if you can find it, is very well thought out; I
recommend it.
Msg #20809 Dated 23:41:09 09-25-91 -> 20811
From: T A WATERS
To: ALL
Re: TMWWE
For those of you keeping score -- a guy in Germany faxxed Dante today
saying that for writing an unfavorable review of the Busby/Whaley tome
"...this man T. A. Waters must be crazy." He's hardly the first to
come to that conclusion.
Msg #20811 Dated 23:49:30 09-25-91 20809 <--> 20861
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TMWWE
But, T A, I've also heard that you have drawn some considerable praise
from some considerable folks. Your file, THAUMAT.TXT is proving pretty
popular - a number of downloads in the past 24-hours or so.
Msg #20812 Dated 0:06:24 09-26-91 20771 <--> 20814
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Subject closed? I'd just like to make the point that my
message/diatribe/essay has nothing to do with whether or not I judge T
A as capable of standing up for himself. I was offended, and felt the
need to speak. Why do so many people find this so disturbing? If you
know Busby and know how to take him with a grain of salt, fine. But he
didn't check that out with the 6,000 (his figure) people he mailed this
to. There's an "old boy" element to this whole thing. Let's not
attack Jeff because he's one of us. Let the boys (Busby and T A) work
it out amongst themselves. In my opinion, and that's all this has ever
been about, that's wrong, old-fashioned, party-line thinking. I
wouldn't stand by for a mugging. And mailing a two and a half page
personal attack to six thousand people is pretty darn close to that.
Switch the roles. You witness a bad performance I give, report on it
on MAGIC!, and I proceed to mail out a PERSONAL attack to six thousand
people, telling them all sorts of stuff about you that has only to do
tangentially with the issue. Wouldn't you think that was wrong?
All I can say is that I would expect my friends to do more than sit
passively by and let me "slug it out" with my stronger attacker. I'm
not condemming anyone (aside from Busby) for anything they have and
haven't done in this thing. Just making my motives clear and clean.
I see a wrong, sometimes it's so egregious I have to shout. What can
I say. It's my problem.
Msg #20813 Dated 0:16:12 09-26-91 20785 <--> 21035
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MANHATTAN
I have to admit that when I go to NY, I keep TRYING. But I'm going to
be there soon, and I don't think I'm going to go. Aside from all the
stuff that's been discussed here, it's just not a great ATMOSPHERE, you
know?
Msg #20814 Dated 0:43:46 09-26-91 20576 <--> 20816
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I used to get the THAMURGATIST (or whatever the hell he calls it)
but after the issue attacking Booth I canceled it. The really weird
part to me is, like who really cares if Erdnase was Andrews ? It's
not really important to other than a few people who think they have
discovered a most fundamental truth - what load of crap !
.
There is something fundamentally wrong using a house organ to vent
your anger over an objective review. I seem to recall Kaufman losing
a job at Genii over saying some things about Busby and his business
practices.
Msg #20815 Dated 0:44:00 09-26-91 20741 <--> 20825
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I've always been partial to the 'Church of What's Happin'n Now', I
also like Garrison Keeler's church in Lake Wobegone, 'Our Lady of
Perpetual Responsibility'.
.
Of course I'm still working on the Burtonite Sect.
Msg #20816 Dated 0:44:06 09-26-91 20806 <--> 20824
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I don't get the thamutagist anymore (I cancelled out after Busby's
last tirade against Boothe prior to the publication of the book), but
can understand Evan's concern over a personal attack of someone who
gave a less than favorable review.
.
What I don't understand is how his attack can be just dismissed with
"Oh if you know Busby, you just take it with a grain of salt." Isn't
that approving the attack as being justifiable. I don't know Busby
except by his writing and have chosen to ignore him by not reading
anymore of his tirades or purchasing products from him.
.
I still remember the Kaufman comments regarding Busby.
Msg #20817 Dated 0:44:18 09-26-91 20612 <--> 20826
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THAUMATURGIST #19
Putting the text on the board would help those of us that no longer
get it. It would help to get both sides of the issue.
Msg #20818 Dated 0:44:22 09-26-91 20648 <--> 20819
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: WINTERS AND BEER
Brother Dave - I have all of his records. Havn't drug em' out in
years. Maybe I should do that ! He was one of my favorites.
Msg #20819 Dated 0:44:26 09-26-91 20653 <--> 20983
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: WINTERS AND BEER
Yes it is true, he passed on to the big comedy club in the sky. My
God, 1982 - has it been that long ?? Time passes.
Msg #20821 Dated 0:44:36 09-26-91 -> 20828
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: PUBLIC TEST OF SECTIONS
S
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OK this time it bombed. The Section prompt comes after the Private ?
and provides a default. If I stick in a blank line it should work. Will
change and try again.
Msg #20822 Dated 0:54:05 09-26-91 -> 20866
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: DEALING SECONDS
This is my first message on this board, although I have been reading
you messages pretty frequently. What a great board! You seem to have
assembled here experts on all forms of the magician's art. Which is
why I am writing this message. I have been VERY frustrated in trying
to learn to deal seconds convincingly. There are some things that a
book does not teach satisfactorily, and this seems to be one of them.
I have read four different styles of seconds, but have yet to make any
of them work for me. I don't mind practising, but I want to make sure
I'm practising correctly. Does anyone know of a video that I can buy
that would teach dealing seconds. Or would anyone be willing to teach
me in person to do this. I live out in the far reaches of Riverside,
but would be more than happy to drive to wherever, and compensate a
teacher. (Gosh I'm long winded.)
Thank you very much!
Kevin E. Curtin
Msg #20824 Dated 1:06:13 09-26-91 20814 <--> 20859
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Yeah. I can't figure it. Erdnase, I am told, was actually a small,
polite butcher from the Lower East side... Ah, forget it -- I get the
feeling NOTHING would be funny at this point!
Msg #20825 Dated 1:12:49 09-26-91 20815 <--> 20832
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Yes, I too liked the old "Church of What's Happin'n Now." I would
caution you, though, on starting your own religion - most that do seem
to come to an unfavorable end. What you want to be is the SECOND guy
in charge! I wonder if any of the classifieds have a section on
"Religions for sale/rent"?
But lest this thread take on a life of its own... Maybe we should focus
on the magic aspects. The other ideas we can kick around during either
the Oct. 6th or Oct. 9th get-togethers.
Msg #20826 Dated 1:17:01 09-26-91 20817 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THAUMATURGIST #19
I will look into it - right now we are frankly in a bit of a space
crisis. One I hope to have fixed soon. Also, of course, we would need
Jeff's permission to post the article.
Msg #20828 Dated 1:21:28 09-26-91 20821 <--> 20937
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PUBLIC TEST OF SECTIONS
It probably worked that time because you were sending a public message
to me and because I am enrolled in more than one section. Will try to
run some tests during the day and see what I can learn. Blank line may
not be the best solution since that would send all default messages to
the same section - I guess.
Msg #20829 Dated 1:22:02 09-26-91 -> 21043
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JAN-KEN-PONDER
It's quite easy to work out the results of your "alternating who goes
first" approach. If the spectator chooses first the magician has a 66%
edge. If the magician must choose first there's a 50% chance the 66%
edge will be maintained, but a 50% chance that the losing 33% situation
will result. The latter will, over time, cancel itself out, so if the
game is played with this alternating approach the magician will still
have the edge.
Msg #20830 Dated 1:25:44 09-26-91 -> 20839
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
In fact, Penn & Teller have attended my shows several times. They have
not shouted out exposures for the same simple reason that you won't.
Msg #20832 Dated 1:27:25 09-26-91 -> 20864
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
On some of her tamer recordings Millie Jackson uses the euphemism
"mickeyfickey," which has a nice punch to it, but my favorite is on a
Wilson Pickett song in which he employs "motorscooter."
Msg #20833 Dated 1:29:31 09-26-91 -> 20871
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: KAPS BBC SHOW
With all respect to Fred, but in fairness to Mike, it should be pointed
out that the first to come up with the idea of doing a version of the
Victor Eleven Card Trick with dollar bills was Gene Gordon, who
marketed "Dizzy Dollars" a few decades back; you can find it in the
Gordon book that Ginn published. Fred's handling was more
sophisticated, but simply not the first.
Also, Fred _did_ teach his version in at least one lecture in the
1970s, in New York.
Msg #20834 Dated 1:32:10 09-26-91 -> 20872
From: MAX MAVEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Musically speaking, the count will always come out on the 16th card
regardless as to whether you're counting out 3/4 or 4/4 time.
Msg #20835 Dated 1:33:13 09-26-91 -> 20873
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CHRIS STARR
Re: CRUISING DOWN
Those cruise ships on which the performing talent must double as
activity staff are lower class endeavors. The cruise ship work I have
done has been willfully limited, as I find the experience boring, but
those gigs I have done have been for the more rarified lines. So there.
Msg #20836 Dated 1:35:19 09-26-91 -> 20844
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DR. JAKS
The Crandall-or-Dorny anecdote is usually given a more succinct
structure. Reportedly, Berg was in the room when the flashpaper went
up. He cried out in horror, "My God! You've just destroyed XX dollars
worth of flashpaper!!"
To which C-or-D replied calmly, "What flashpaper?"
Msg #20837 Dated 1:37:11 09-26-91 -> 20875
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ZIG
I hate to tell you, but your idea of a horizontal Zig-Zag wherein the
center drops to the floor is not new; check issue #12 of the French
magazine "Mad Magic" by Jean Merlin and James Hodges, from 1978, which
contains not only that but a wealth of other ideas with the Zig-Zag
including a brilliant Hodges re-design of the front panel painting
-- I've always been surprised that this didn't catch on.
Msg #20839 Dated 1:48:04 09-26-91 20830 <--> 20869
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
I assume that when you responded to my message (#19041), that you had
also read Pete's message (#19001). Personally, I am very much looking
forward to attending your October 6th show and to simply enjoying it.
We will, of course, be wearing our "Max Maven Fan Club" buttons.
Msg #20841 Dated 2:13:17 09-26-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: PULITZER PRIZE
Does anyone know how to get in touch with the Pulitzer Prize people?
Seriously - I'm trying to get some background on someone who won one,
what they won it for, etc.
Msg #20843 Dated 5:56:11 09-26-91 20522 <--> 20846
From: BILL WELLS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM
Marvin -
The first full day of the convention is July 1 with registration
open at 8 am, dealers open at 9 and a lecture at 11 am. However,
registration will also be open at around 3 pm on June 30 and the
dealers will be open from about 8 pm until midnight on the evening
of June 30. If you don't want to miss anything on the morning of
July 1, you would probably want to plan on arriving on June 30 the
evening before the first full day. The last evening show is on July
4 and the dealers will close up around 1 or 2 am that night.
Msg #20844 Dated 5:56:38 09-26-91 20530 <--> 20874
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DR. JAKS
Actually, I believe it was Dorney's cigar that ignited Joe Berg's
flash paper.
Msg #20845 Dated 5:56:46 09-26-91 20541 <--> 20847
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
If he doesn't soon get his acts together, he may HAVE to book himself
for SLC just so we have someone on the bill!!
Msg #20846 Dated 5:56:54 09-26-91 20553 <--> 20848
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
Tabbo...the first full day is July 1. Registration and dealers are
both open the night before. YOU will have to come in a day early to
make sure on set ups, etc. Folks should come in during late on June
30 so as not to miss anything on the morning of July 1. We will talk
about all this at the front of December.
Msg #20847 Dated 5:57:10 09-26-91 20601 <--> 20855
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Ask David if he is also gonna do the multipling frog trick at the DMS
Msg #20848 Dated 5:57:17 09-26-91 20616 <--> 20959
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
Tabbo...you should come into SLC for the preconvention meeting on
Thursday evening, December 5. Friday, we meet with the hotel and
theatre and service providers. Saturday, we meet with each other and
Sunday we come home. We will discuss who arrives when for the conven
then.
Msg #20849 Dated 8:41:04 09-26-91 20790 <--> 20850
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Next time I go out to cover the Desert Championship races in
Rosamond, will make the side trip to see the fault that was named
after me.
.
You didn't know my full name? Is Peter Andreas Biro.
Msg #20850 Dated 8:41:13 09-26-91 20791 <--> 20885
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Is that called "Living on the edge of the envelope?" I wonder if
it is occupied by only test pilots from Edwards?
.
These are the kind of folks that go swimming RIGHT AFTER they eat.
Msg #20851 Dated 8:41:20 09-26-91 20793 <--> 20889
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HELP, T.A.!
This is getting far too good.
Msg #20853 Dated 8:41:32 09-26-91 20795 <--> 20921
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS
Jay Marshall has the ability to usually see three shows a night.
I spent a week with Jay in London one time and he saw about 30 shows
as unlike Vegas the theater scene in London does feature matinees.
Msg #20855 Dated 8:41:47 09-26-91 20799 <--> 20878
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
More hair? Hey, I washed it and it shrunk. Whaddya want? ;+)
Msg #20858 Dated 8:42:03 09-26-91 20801 <--> 20892
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIROTAPES
Five Hundred bucks.
Msg #20859 Dated 8:42:07 09-26-91 20804 <--> 20860
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Great... will look for it when I go to the big store and try to
find out what Dr. Sues was?
Msg #20860 Dated 8:42:14 09-26-91 20806 <--> 20863
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Yes... they Ding like a bell! :+)
Msg #20861 Dated 8:42:19 09-26-91 20809 <--> 20862
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TMWWE
He is discovering a largely know fact among the cognicenti... we
are all crazy!
Msg #20862 Dated 8:42:25 09-26-91 20811 <--> 20927
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TMWWE
T A, you ought to send to Stan Allen for his mag.
Msg #20863 Dated 8:42:31 09-26-91 20812 <--> 20865
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
For one thing, in addition to the printing costs, you would have
blown $1,740.00 in postage doing something that I don't give a hoot
about.
.
I am not aiming any crap at you. I just don't think the stuff
Busby says is that big a deal. If you have read him (and guys
like him) in the past you know he gets carried away and goes all
out. And to me, it is a "so what?" Read that "TO ME" .... what any
one else does is fine if it makes them happy. I have had too much
stress around me and seen it not only ruin lives, but cause death
to ones very dear to me.
.
So I don't take any of the written stuff to heart. In one ear and
out the other.
.
So, for ME THAT IS FINE... and when I said SUBJECT CLOSED (or
something like that) I meant "I (me) don't care no more" I want to
get on to the next topic.
.
Have a great trip in Italy. Keep your valuables in different safe
places. I once put my camera, money, passport, plane tickets all in
one bag and some guy stole the bag! It was the first time EVER that
I put all in one bag. Broke my own rule.
.
Do you know what ------------> ;+)
Means?
Msg #20864 Dated 8:42:59 09-26-91 20815 <--> 20868
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
One of the MAJOR DISSAPOINTMENTS in my move here to Northern Calif.,
is that I can no longer get GENE SCOTT on my TV. ;+)
Msg #20865 Dated 8:43:05 09-26-91 20816 <--> 20867
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
See earlier msg re the subject that I have chosen to stop being
interested in.
Msg #20866 Dated 8:43:11 09-26-91 20822 <--> 20896
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DEALING SECONDS
Howdy Kevin. Glad all the crap on here of late hasn't scared you
off! How long you been working on 2nd dealing? That is the key.
It takes a heckuva long time... and I know you don't want to do it
WRONG mechanically.
Without checking, I would guess that Darwin Ortiz, in the
"Annotated Erdnase" would have good advice.
On line here you might query Gary Plants. He is one of the best.
Probably the best way would be to get into the Magic Castle a
few times and get acquainted with the guys there and WORK YOUR WAY
INTO THEIR CONFIDENCE.
Nobody will just show a stranger that does not show much effort
in being A) Cool, and B) Very interested, and C) Skilled a little,
any of the REAL STUFF. You have to pay your dues. And it does take
time.
.
Another question. (Don't get upset)... WHY DO YOU NEED TO DO A 2ND?
.
This is a serious question. There could be good substitutes, and
the need might lead us to the best method.
.
Good example: Charlie Miller way to do the Dunberry Delusion
required a 2nd deal. There are other ways to do the trick with
maybe even better effect WITHOUT the 2nd deal.
.,
If it is for a GAMBLING DEMONSTRATION... (my opinion) It is better
to 'TIP OFF TO THE PUBLIC' a lousy version. Not an indetectable one.
That's if for today! Thanks for joinin' in.
Msg #20867 Dated 8:43:40 09-26-91 20824 <--> 20893
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Butcher? I thought he was a Candlestick Maker (Goshman was the
Baker).
Msg #20868 Dated 8:43:46 09-26-91 20825 <--> 20870
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Interesting that the "Church of... is under section Re: CRUISES AND
TUXEDOS
Msg #20869 Dated 8:43:53 09-26-91 20830 <--> 20938
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
"Not shouted out exposures" .... I know, you have a gun trained on
the audience. Nice to see you back.
Msg #20870 Dated 8:43:59 09-26-91 20832 <--> 20894
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Friend o mine uses Muther Dumper.
Msg #20871 Dated 8:44:04 09-26-91 20833 <--> 20985
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: KAPS BBC SHOW
Will dig out the Gordon book. It is a great premise/routine IF THE
PERFORMER CAN SELL IT.
Msg #20872 Dated 8:44:09 09-26-91 20834 <--> 20930
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
Yankee Doodle works out just fine for the 16th card.
Msg #20873 Dated 8:44:14 09-26-91 20835 <--> 20918
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CRUISING DOWN
I'll second Cruises to be boring! Spent a month a cruise one weekend
(my mother in law was on board)! ;+)
Msg #20874 Dated 8:44:19 09-26-91 20836 <--> 20877
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DR. JAKS
Either way, it is a great story. I don't recall who told it to me,
but 'tis a good one. I can just see the expression on Joe's face!
And if Crandall, the Wry look!
.
Dorny was being roasted one night (His 80th Birthday) in Chicago.
I happened to be on a layover and staying that night with Jay and
Fran. They said, "come along".
.
The MC, Bob Parrish, noted my presence. And in the middle of the
roast said, "WE have a visitor from the West Coast, P.B.... Pete
would you like to say a few words?"
.
I stood up and said, "I would love to... but we've never heard of
Dorny out West!"
.
This literally destroyed Dorny. He told me later it was the funniest
line of the night.
Msg #20875 Dated 8:44:39 09-26-91 20837 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ZIG
It didn't catch on because who in the heck gets the magazine?
Unfortunately I have never heard of it.
Merlin and Hodges are two of the BRILLIANT and little known
(here in the US) guys.... Jean told me he wanted to get back over
here soon to lecture. I hope he works something out.
.
His version of the paper balls over the head is one of the funniest
going.
Msg #20877 Dated 8:44:58 09-26-91 20844 <--> 20986
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: DR. JAKS
I get it.... Dorney's cigar, but Crandall was smoking it.
Msg #20878 Dated 8:45:03 09-26-91 20845 <--> 20879
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
WHAT A NICE WAY TO POST A LEFT HOOK TO MY JAW.
Msg #20879 Dated 8:45:08 09-26-91 20847 <--> 20883
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
He is getting Martin (see ad "cards by Martin in Linking Ring) to
split some frogs... so we don't know what to expect. I would guess
double faced frogs for the Ken Brooke handling of the Three Frog
Monte. (Garcia called it "tossing the Frogs").
It is tough, though, to use the Biddle Grip, but the Ovette
Master Move is almost self-working.
And Frogs "hold thier own breaks".
I saw one Frog with a small "folded up picture of Mike Close"
last year working on the Tamariz handling of the switch. It was
tough without any pockets.
Msg #20880 Dated 10:26:37 09-26-91 20787 <--> 20903
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Curious how the previous ownership of a favorite tome makes it all the
more favored. Whenever I crack open a book and find Snag's bookplate,
it always brings a smile to my face. It's quite a tribute when
someone can have that effect well beyond his or her "breathing time."
'Wayne.
Msg #20882 Dated 10:41:21 09-26-91 20796 <--> 20895
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETER PIT
Flattery???!!!
I've gotta get this damn keyboard checked!!!
'W.
Msg #20883 Dated 10:44:41 09-26-91 20845 <--> 20884
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Bill - You're doin' the con in _SLC_ - HAVE FAITH.
Msg #20884 Dated 10:46:58 09-26-91 20855 <--> 20982
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
RE: Washing your hair - yeah, same thing keeps happening to me.
Msg #20885 Dated 10:49:13 09-26-91 20849 <--> 20887
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The best view is on the drive North - the fault is a bit more obscure,
if I remember correctly, on the opposite side. It is truly magnificent
when you view it in the road cut and realize what you are looking at,
but the CHP HATES it if you pull over to really get a good look at it.
Don't know if YOU should even think about stopping inside it though -
TWO Andreas faults could be too much mojo.
Msg #20886 Dated 10:50:50 09-26-91 -> 20897
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SECONDS
I was going to respond to your query but Pete has just about said it
all...(this time). You'd be very wise to follow his advice on this
one, Kev. If you're going to the Castle...you may also want to try and
corner Tony Giorgio or Martin Nash...(although not at the same time!)
Anyway, I ramble...but the essence of the message here is: "Welcome!"
'Wayne.
Msg #20887 Dated 10:52:39 09-26-91 20849 <--> 20888
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
On the Alaska Highway we spotted another section of it, clearly
visible from the road. It was not mentioned in the "Milepost," - the
Bible for driving the AlCan - and was one of the very few things along
the way that they missed.
There is also a nice view of a fault cut (I don't think it is part of
the San Andreas itself) down in Anzo-Borego - I think it is on the dirt
road that heads south out of the park.
In our next geology lesson we will cover "The Alluvial Fans of Death
Valley."
Msg #20888 Dated 10:59:47 09-26-91 20850 <--> 20905
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I suspect that most of the folks don't even know what their houses are
built on - they probably paid extra for the great hillside view of
Palmdale.
By the way, from that View Stop you can get a great view of several
aerospace plants - the big one is Lockheed Palmdale. With a good pair
of binocs I've been able to pick out all sorts of interesting aircraft
on the ground around there.
Msg #20889 Dated 11:04:16 09-26-91 20851 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP, T.A.!
RE: "This is getting far too good." - Yep - I'm gonna print it off and
file it under Humor.
Msg #20892 Dated 11:14:15 09-26-91 20858 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIROTAPES
RE: "Five hundred bucks" - Wow! Am I relieved! I thought it was a
grand!
Msg #20893 Dated 11:15:13 09-26-91 20859 <--> 20928
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
Yeah, I heard that the good Doctor (Seuss) went to the big writer's
conference in the sky.
Msg #20894 Dated 11:19:21 09-26-91 20868 <--> 20929
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
RE: "Church of" being under Cruises and Tuxedos. Yeah! THat was
actually a profound observation! I'm workin' on a fix for more easily
changing message headers while keeping a thread intact, but it will
take a little time. The version in IMP! is GREAT - "Enter" allows you
to creat a new thread, with a new topic, and yet it includes a little
note with a reference back to the original thread (that ERnnnn on the
first line). From the Main Console, I don't have such a convenient
feature.
Msg #20895 Dated 11:26:51 09-26-91 20882 <--> 20899
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETER PIT
I've never tried a checked keyboard. I prefer a striped one.
Msg #20896 Dated 11:36:56 09-26-91 20866 <--> 20901
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DEALING SECONDS
I have several effects that I've been working on that would be greatly
enhanced by dealing 2nds. Sorry, but I've got to ask a few plebian
questions. How does one get to the Magic Castle? How does one get
into the Magic Castle?
As far as asking me questions, you can rest assured that I don't offend
easily. ASK AWAY! Thanks for the response.
Kevin
Msg #20897 Dated 11:39:47 09-26-91 20886 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: SECONDS
Wayne,
Thanks, I appreciate the welcome. I was deathly afraid I was stomping
on someone's protocol, and I have seen hurt feeling for much less.
I appreciate the response.
Thanks!
Kevin
Msg #20898 Dated 11:53:51 09-26-91 20757 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SHOOTING
Don't know the actual time. Jon said it was the afternoon though. I
am planning on heading over there this morning and check on the set
call. Look forward to seeing you there. Sorry I'm going to miss lunch
at the Castle. Have you dropped by and caught the BIB SHOW this week?
I think I'll drop by tonight for the 8:30 show. Maybe see ya there.
Hope things are well on your end. MIKE.
Msg #20899 Dated 12:48:34 09-26-91 20895 <--> 20900
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETER PIT
A striped keyboard and green pants??? Gimme a break.
Msg #20900 Dated 13:17:01 09-26-91 20899 <--> 20902
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD
What type of break did you want? Little finger break? The secret to
a striped keyboard with green pants is not to look down! Did I mention
that the Master Console has a monochrome green monitor? True - an
Amdek Video-300.
Msg #20901 Dated 13:19:44 09-26-91 20896 <--> 20908
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DEALING SECONDS
Kevin -
I'm not sure how old you are (can't see you on my screen) so first let
me mention that you have to be at least 21 to become a member of the
Castle. There is a Junior Membership that begins at 14 and if you are
between 14 and 21 you are in an extremely favorable position, because
I think that if you become a member of Jr. Castle your dues are reduced
for the rest of your life!
The Magic Castle is located at 7001 Franklin Avenue in Hollywood. It
is on the hill above Mann's Chinese Theater - north of it by a few
blocks.
How does one get in? Again, remember that you have to be over 21
except on Sunday afternoons and some special days. You have to wear a
jacket and tie and you have to either be a member or be a guest of a
memeber. As a guest, you can be accompanied by a member, or you can be
given a guest card to go (one time per card) by yourself.
There are two categories of membership: Associate and Regular.
Associates are folks with an interest in magic who buy their way in -
a front end membership charge plus high annual dues. Regular members
are folks who have passed an audition. Auditions are generally held on
one Monday a month.
Msg #20902 Dated 14:55:15 09-26-91 20900 <--> 20910
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD
Did you say "look down"?
How about this ===Look down, look down that lonesome road.
Maybe Tabby could incorporate that line in a country western song.
Msg #20903 Dated 15:07:37 09-26-91 20880 <--> 20961
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
No question... just the remembrance of those you cherished is Gold.
Msg #20905 Dated 15:07:49 09-26-91 20887 <--> 20914
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I knew you were into "finding" Faults!
Msg #20907 Dated 15:08:14 09-26-91 -> 20916
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: HEADERS
Ee;20894
I have changed the name of the header but not the substance of any
message. ;+)
Msg #20908 Dated 15:08:22 09-26-91 20896 <--> 20917
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DEALING SECONDS
OK, to get INTO the Magic Castle you must be 21 or older. Wear a
coat and tie (pants and shoes too) and either be a member, be with
a member, be meeting a member of have a guest card.
If you fit the above, send me your mailing address and I will
send you a card.
Along with a MAP. Basically the Castle is in Hollywood, 2 blocks
up Orange Dr. BEHIND the Mann Theater (Just West of Highland).
Msg #20909 Dated 15:08:31 09-26-91 -> 21047
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: INTERVIEW
Ee;20901
El Tab, missed your call from NYC. Hope all is good. Call Glo and
she will read you all the news that's fit to print. I faxed you the
real scoop on the deal.
I am outa here Friday at 8 ayem to Denver, but will have the
NEC with me and log in daily.
Will be in tuch...
Msg #20910 Dated 15:43:32 09-26-91 20895 <--> 20912
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETER PIT
I was once going to get a polka-dot one...but the word "polka" reminds
me of Frankie Yankovic and that's pretty scary!
'W.
Msg #20912 Dated 15:53:24 09-26-91 20902 <--> 20913
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD
One thing for sure - I'm NEVER gonna say "Slowly I Turned" in your
presence.
Msg #20913 Dated 15:54:38 09-26-91 20910 <--> 20920
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETER PIT
Dots OK. Once upon a time someone asked me to fix a keyboard for him.
After I fixed it, I switched it to a Dvorak keyboard (for those who
don't know, the letters on a Dvorak are in totally different positions
than they are on a QWERTY keyboard). When he tried it, everything was
poping up wrong. I told him he could just learn the new positions. He
kept trying to explain touch typing to me.
Msg #20914 Dated 15:58:13 09-26-91 20905 <--> 20923
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Yes, finding Faults is great fun. Finding Vaults is more fun.
Msg #20916 Dated 16:01:34 09-26-91 20907 <--> 20940
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HEADERS
Hmmm... I think that changing the header but not the substance falls
under the term "transubstantiation," but I'm not sure. Will have to
see if it is one of Fitzkee's 19 categories.
Msg #20917 Dated 16:10:30 09-26-91 20896 <--> 20931
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DEALING SECONDS
If you are 21 or older I can arrange to meet you there, give you a tour
etc. You can reach me most evenings at (818) 768-6181. By the way if
you read this before 6:30 PM we can meet there tonight as I will be
there for the first few shows.
Msg #20918 Dated 16:16:05 09-26-91 20873 <--> 20925
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISING DOWN
A friend of mine does cruise ships. In fact that is where we met. I
thought, WOW!, this must be the life- you only do two 20 minute shows
all week long, you meet all these new people and go to these exotic
ports, etc. But after you've been to these same ports dozens of times
it gets real old. Kind of like going to Disnelyland day after day.
Msg #20920 Dated 16:40:35 09-26-91 20912 <--> 20926
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD
In these days of the tight pennant race between the Dodgers and Braves,
how about "Whose on First?"
Msg #20921 Dated 18:44:27 09-26-91 20795 <--> 20945
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS
Doing both shows sounds good to me.
Msg #20923 Dated 21:42:46 09-26-91 20914 <--> 20939
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Do you know as an inside gag the inventor of the typewriter, and
the QWERTY keyboard made it so all the letters of the word
"typewriter" are on one line?
.
And... that the first keyboard he made had the keys in alphabetical
order and people learned to type too fast for the machine and kept
breaking it. So he scrambled the keys to SLOW down the speed of
the typists so they would not break the machine.
Msg #20925 Dated 21:43:02 09-26-91 20918 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CRUISING DOWN
Or my job, flying to races. All the same. Hit the airport, get to
the new city airport, rent the car, zip to the Hotel, go out and
snap the photos, eat at the hotel coffee shop fly back... arhg ;+)
Msg #20926 Dated 21:43:09 09-26-91 20920 <--> 20944
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD
Braves are getting tomahawked themselves right this moment.
.
I just signed up for AT&T new deal. From 5 pm to 8 am, I get to
call from N. Calif, to S. Calif. for $7 an hour. So, looks like
I will be on before breakfast every day and after the news at 5.
Msg #20927 Dated 0:02:38 09-27-91 20811 <--> 20949
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TMWWE
I did in fact get a very nice letter from Robert Lund at the American
Museum of Magic; as you may imagine, praise from that source I consider
praise indeed. There have also been a number of nice phone calls from
around the country and elsewhere.
Msg #20928 Dated 0:05:46 09-27-91 20824 <--> 21036
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: BELOW THE BELT!
I didn't want to reveal this until my new book came out -- but actually
-- Erdnase was Billy Robinson. When he learned the makeup and became
Chung Ling Soo, he lost interest in cards. Now you know.
Msg #20929 Dated 0:08:11 09-27-91 20815 <--> 20934
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Then there is the Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Indulgence...
Msg #20930 Dated 0:12:08 09-27-91 20834 <--> 21122
From: T A WATERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET
So THAT'S why the band fired me...
Msg #20931 Dated 0:26:22 09-27-91 20901 <--> 20932
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DEALING SECONDS
My age (peering through the keyboard) is 30, so there is no problem
on that count. How long an audition is requred. I have some
acceptable close up magic, if that will qualify me. Who should I
contact? Thanks for the info!
Kevin
Msg #20932 Dated 0:29:32 09-27-91 20908 <--> 20933
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DEALING SECONDS
Pete,
My address is:
Kevin E. Curtin
3058 Flanders
Riverside, CA 92507
(714) 788-5057
If you would care to, I would enjoy buying your dinner, and discussing
magic in general.
Thanks you for your generous offer.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #20933 Dated 0:32:09 09-27-91 20917 <--> 20941
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DEALING SECONDS
Stan,
Thank you very much! Unfortunatly, I'm typing this in the wee hours
of the morning after getting back from tech directing a play out in
beutiful downdown Temecula.
I will try contacting you at the number you have given. Again, thanks
to all of the generous warm offers! You have made me feel most
welcome.
Kevin.
Msg #20934 Dated 1:14:26 09-27-91 20864 <--> 20935
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Are you a Gene Scott fan toooo ?? He's really a hoot. Phd from
Stabford no less.
Msg #20935 Dated 1:14:31 09-27-91 20894 <--> 20950
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Actually that's a bug that I fixed in my working version. If you
think its a worthwhile feature I can put it back in.
.
The line is actually an E;nnnn
Msg #20937 Dated 1:14:41 09-27-91 20828 <--> 20953
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PUBLIC TEST OF SECTIONS
Right the prompt shows [13] as the default, which is where everyone
else is right now.
Msg #20938 Dated 1:14:45 09-27-91 20839 <--> 20954
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
Have you made the reservations yet? Mark Wilson is giving a lecture
at the castle that day and I plan to stay north. Maybe we could
have dinner in Pasadena some where ?
Msg #20939 Dated 1:14:50 09-27-91 20887 <--> 20946
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Have you ever been to the fault up at Mammoth. You can actually
climb down into it and walk to the other end - about 50 yards !
Msg #20940 Dated 1:14:55 09-27-91 20907 <--> 20989
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HEADERS
Pete what's with the ;+) that you're ending your messages with. Is
that Polish for Arrrggghh !
Msg #20941 Dated 1:56:46 09-27-91 20931 <--> 20987
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DEALING SECONDS
I believe that a call to the Castle (213-851-3313) will get the info on
the audition sent to you. A good close-up routine, as I recall about
12 minutes in length, will suffice for the audition.
Msg #20944 Dated 2:02:55 09-27-91 20920 <--> 21007
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD
I think I have several versions of the "Who's on First" routine.
Abbott and Costello also used the same premise in several other
routines. One in which Costello wants to buy a race horse comes to
mind.
Msg #20945 Dated 2:04:17 09-27-91 20921 <--> 20990
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS
OK, will have to see what the group thinks of going to a show prior to
the Burton one on October 9th - anyone have any suggestions?
Msg #20946 Dated 2:05:20 09-27-91 20923 <--> 20947
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I didn't know about the inside gag of the word TYPEWRITER all being on
one line. I do not believe that the creator of the QWERTY and the
alphabetical order keyboard were one and the same person.
Early on, there were many typewriter manufacturers and differences in
keyboards were deliberately designed as a method for selling
typewriters by having individuals trained in the use of a particular
keyboard. Eventually the QWERTY won and became the most popular,
although, as you pointed out, it was very likely designed to slow down
the typists.
The Dvorak keyboard was the invention of a man who spent practically
his entire life on keyboard design. It is far and away the fastest
layout, as well as the one that provides the least strain for the
typist. I believe that most of the World's record holders for fast
typing have used Dvorak keyboards.
Msg #20947 Dated 2:10:23 09-27-91 20939 <--> 20971
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Wow! I've missed that Fault. Thanks for the info - I'll have to go
see it!
Msg #20949 Dated 2:12:06 09-27-91 20927 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TMWWE
I had the Lund letter - I'd heard about it - in mind when I mentioned
"considerable praise from some considerable folks."
Msg #20950 Dated 2:21:19 09-27-91 20934 <--> 20951
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Add me to the Gene Scott list.
Msg #20951 Dated 2:21:52 09-27-91 20935 <--> 20962
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I like the "bug." It has been helpful to me in tracking the thoughts
behind a new thread several times. The "E," of course, is not
necessary, but I like the number being there.
Msg #20953 Dated 2:24:15 09-27-91 20937 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PUBLIC TEST OF SECTIONS
Yes, I did a brief test and got the section 13 default - but I don't
know WHY! Will have to check it out.
Msg #20954 Dated 2:25:03 09-27-91 20938 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: OCTOBER MAGIC!FEST!
I haven't made the reservation yet - I had the same plan about the Mark
WIlson lecture, if I can get away. Dinner in Pasadena sounds good to
me. Let me see if I can put a plan together - unless you'd like to
volunteer to do so (I've got a busy schedule until Monday at the
earliest, and, very possibly, more like Wednesday).
Msg #20955 Dated 5:53:34 09-27-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: TAI PAI MAGICIANS
Anyone know of any magicians/magic activites in Tai Pai or
there-abouts. My partner, Richard Hatch, is working there for the next
week or so and is looking for any information. Thanks in advance.
Charlie
Msg #20959 Dated 8:01:47 09-27-91 20714 <--> 20960
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Didn't know what??? Don't you have any registration forms, hotel
cards, or airfare info to send the acts you aren't booking??
(gotcha!)
Msg #20960 Dated 8:02:50 09-27-91 20715 <--> 21017
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Can I now put your phone number in the ad to call for information?
Msg #20961 Dated 8:03:28 09-27-91 20668 <--> 20963
From: BILL WELLS
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
The Honeymooners I see on the cable here...but as you state, not the
variety show...but then variety shows apparently aren't "in" unless
they are disguised as a contest or feature a host of celebs. Video
stores have become the best way to see most of the old stuff and I am
glad to see more and more appearing every week. Maybe they will get
around to the JG show and possibly even Ed Sullivan.
Msg #20962 Dated 8:03:48 09-27-91 20671 <--> 20988
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I have never used the academic title in hotels, or in relation to
insurance or in any situation where it might meaningfully be taken to
mean medical doctor. I agree that it does open some doors in the
business world and the academic world. I have always found it rather
distrubing that it also seems to close out many people in day to day
dealings if they discover you are a "doctor".
Msg #20963 Dated 8:04:05 09-27-91 20674 <--> 20964
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I sincerely hope that this orientation problem of yours is confined
to Hawaii.
Msg #20964 Dated 8:04:14 09-27-91 20675 <--> 20965
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
You mean he didn't invent the game with the horses either???
Msg #20965 Dated 8:04:21 09-27-91 20677 <--> 20974
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Hmmmmm....Roddenberry's Cane Patch Syrup. I don't know that one. I
guess I better start looking for it around here. I generally use
maple syrup from Highland County Virginia but always willing to try
something else. Too bad there are some goodies that you can't ship
like boiled peanuts.
Msg #20966 Dated 8:04:33 09-27-91 20679 <--> 20967
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Maybe you can work up a multipling projector effect to go along with
the multipling frogs effect that Pete sent you the work on.
Msg #20967 Dated 8:04:40 09-27-91 20680 <--> 20968
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Gadzooks! I wish you wouldn't get so wound up over things!
.
ps - isn't the copyrighted form of ARGH! actually aRgh! ?
Msg #20969 Dated 8:05:08 09-27-91 20682 <--> 20977
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
If your Homo Magus had left any DNA (mitochronial, of course) around
maybe we could see how he would have fit into this everybody from
Eve business. However, they haven't yet explained Chinese fossils
with oriental features that are older than when Eve's descendants
could have gotten to China...so maybe we all didn't really come from
Africa. I still say your Homo magus was just a Homo habilis with too
much spare time on his hands. I do like the Rhesus Magicalumpenus
and would suggest that he arose as soon as Homo magus evolved.
Msg #20971 Dated 8:05:37 09-27-91 20684 <--> 20991
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Then you need to have some inner tubes ready for sure...cause you
might not even be on the biggest piece when you guys take that ocean
cruise.
Msg #20972 Dated 8:05:50 09-27-91 20685 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CIRCLE
DOUBLE aRgh! (tm - Biro - 1991)
Msg #20973 Dated 8:05:57 09-27-91 20689 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: RAY MERTZ
Jim - please accept my sincere sympathy with regard to your loss.
Msg #20974 Dated 8:06:03 09-27-91 20706 <--> 20976
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Can you rent the place and at least get a tax deduction? Maybe rent
with an option to buy. Anything to reduce the double burden.
.
Great news on Ford! Now you can buy more magic books.
.
Good luck on the new mag...that could work out to a really good deal
for you.
Msg #20975 Dated 8:06:20 09-27-91 20707 <--> 20996
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Card peeling technique is really something you finally work out on
your own with your own little bits. The stuff in print can get you
started, but its a "feel" thing. I always knew what to do with the
thick side and the thin side...it was the gray middles that I could
never find a use for.
Msg #20976 Dated 8:06:34 09-27-91 20708 <--> 20979
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Man...why doncha get back on the stock car scene...those guys race
around here and you could get some good trips to see me and El tab
and get some grits at the same time.
Msg #20977 Dated 8:06:44 09-27-91 20710 <--> 21021
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO
You do know Anthony Brahams...but you should also know Anthony Crabb.
He worked the first ever cabaret show at the Evansville Convention in
1980. The same one you worked and the orchestra leader had to hand
your act back to you out of the pit. One of Jay's English friends.
Msg #20978 Dated 8:06:56 09-27-91 20711 <--> 21022
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW COIN IDEA
That reminds me....cabaret in SLC remains to be properly located as
I don't believe there is an obvious venue yet. May require some
creativity.
Msg #20979 Dated 8:07:05 09-27-91 20712 <--> 20980
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Well....send the Frog a postcard of it the next time you are off
Ensanada (sic), Baja, Mexico.
Msg #20980 Dated 8:07:15 09-27-91 20713 <--> 20992
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Yeah...I was home during the middle of the day recently and found
that our cable is also running the old Steve Allen shows....it was
very good stuff...but you also have to be in the right mood for some
of it.
It was certainly a different style than today's comedy.
Msg #20982 Dated 8:07:45 09-27-91 20740 <--> 21002
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Aha! but if he doesn't have proper identification and a tax number
we won't pay him!!
Msg #20983 Dated 8:07:53 09-27-91 20818 <--> 20984
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WINTERS AND BEER
...and my favorite of all the great stuff he did was...
.
"I guess theres some hope for them folks up north...
if you consider that the Earth is a southern planet!"
.
Do ya remember that it was the old Jack Paar show that got him into
the big time?
Msg #20984 Dated 8:08:11 09-27-91 20819 <--> 21003
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WINTERS AND BEER
I got to look up the date and check it out for sure in my copy of
the Encylopedia of Southern Culture.
Msg #20985 Dated 8:08:19 09-27-91 20833 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: KAPS BBC SHOW
Fred also taught a version of the bill trick in a Washington, DC
lecture in the '70s...however, he did not give all the "work" he
actually used....at least not in the Washington lecture.
Msg #20986 Dated 8:08:29 09-27-91 20836 <--> 21071
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DR. JAKS
There is also a flash paper story involving Karrell Fox, Abb and the
ashes of Duke Stern. However, I can't remember all the details,
maybe you remember it.
Msg #20987 Dated 8:15:31 09-27-91 20932 <--> 21013
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DEALING SECONDS
I live 600 miles up North... so, there, I have noted, are others
that answered your message that live in the Castle area... so I
am sure you will get the guided tour. When I get back MondaY (am on
way to airport in couple of minutes) will mail you a card. G'luck.
Msg #20988 Dated 8:15:39 09-27-91 20934 <--> 20995
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Scott is one of the most entertaining and interesting guys on TV!
Msg #20989 Dated 8:15:44 09-27-91 20940 <--> 21004
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HEADERS
You don't know? Well, on (if you'll pardon the expression) a forum
in Compuserve, there is about a hundred things to use on screen.
From things like (grin) to (Rolling on the Floor
Laughing) to :-) (smile) ;-) (smile with a wink) and ;+) (smiling
with wink and a CLOWN NOSE on). You turn page sideways to read 'em.
Msg #20990 Dated 8:15:52 09-27-91 20945 <--> 21005
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS
Melinda? Joseph? Don't go to the Stardust... bad show...
OH>>>>> "SPLASH" Great Show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shimada is usually in
it, if not Mike Michaels (Robot Mage). But mostly Shimada.
Msg #20991 Dated 8:15:58 09-27-91 20946 <--> 21001
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Is this the same DVORAK that writes for computer industry?
Msg #20992 Dated 9:06:11 09-27-91 20963 <--> 20993
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Guess I should have said, "find the right haoli." And anyway, I have
no problem with the Orient.
Msg #20993 Dated 9:07:45 09-27-91 20964 <--> 21019
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
No, Marco did not invent the game with the horses. It was invented in
his honor by my Great Uncle. Hence the family motto, "With mallets
toward none."
P.S. - Yes, lest someone accuse me, I did steal the line.
Msg #20994 Dated 9:13:13 09-27-91 -> 21303
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
RE: 20965
Didn't know they made maple surple in Virginia. Check out the Cane
Patch, though, I think you'll like it.
Am always sorry that boiled goobers won't ship. In Columbia, SC, we
used to get 'em at a place called Cromers. Their ad was "Worst Peanuts
In Town."
Msg #20995 Dated 9:20:05 09-27-91 20962 <--> 21015
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
The situation is worse if you are in Germany. They don't replace one
title with another ("Dr." for "Mr."), they make them cumulative.
Especially if you are an academic - you become "Herr Docktor Professor
Wells."
Msg #20996 Dated 9:25:01 09-27-91 20966 <--> 20997
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
The problem with the multiplying projectors would be the tremendous
increase in the overhead.
Msg #20997 Dated 9:26:09 09-27-91 20967 <--> 20998
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Of quartz I don't get wound up over this stuff. As to the trademark on
Argh! (tm - Biro), I'm not sure exactly which version he is claiming.
Msg #20999 Dated 9:33:38 09-27-91 -> 21308
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: PILTDOWN MAGIC
I admit that I am having trouble understanding the "Everybody from Eve"
business too. Timing seems way off, etc. As you well know, there are
lots of politics in the funding of science these days.
Indeed, Rhesus magicalumpenus arrived within moments of Homo magus.
The development of Rhesus was encouraged by the ample supply of Vendo
vulgaris.
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