MAGIC! - 63 The following was compiled from the magician's message section of MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! is an electronic communications system for magicians. It may be accessed from any personal computer with a modem by dialing US 818-896-7450. New registrants must leave a comment with their name, address, phone number and a brief resume of their magic background to be considered for membership. The material herein should be treated as confidentially as other magic information. Copyright 1991 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved. [Note: Message # 21000 was personal and does not appear here]. Msg #21001 Dated 9:48:05 09-27-91 20991 <--> 21012 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS NO! I'm not sure if John Dvorak (the current computer industry writer) is related to the keyboard Dvorak and don't know if either is related to Anton Dvorak. But with the IBM convention being in SLC, we have a great opportunity to find out! Msg #21002 Dated 9:51:52 09-27-91 20982 <--> 21146 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG You mean that you guys PAY the booked acts? Gee, I'd always assumed that folks just did 'em out of the goodness of their hearts! Now, where did I leave those multiplying frogs?... Msg #21003 Dated 9:53:22 09-27-91 20984 <--> 21269 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER I've just glanced at the paperback edition - could you provide a brief review of the Encyc. of Southern Culture? Msg #21004 Dated 9:55:09 09-27-91 20989 <--> 21023 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HEADERS Most of the expressions likeand ;-) hardly arose on CompuServe. They were in use on independent BBS's long before that. Msg #21005 Dated 9:56:32 09-27-91 20990 <--> 21010 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS SPLASH would be interesting! What does everyone thing? Should we SPLASH before we LANCE? Msg #21006 Dated 10:32:32 09-27-91 -> 21025 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS T A - In addition to your own, sadly out of print, force books and Gardner's Mathematics, Magic and Mystery, are there other reasonably available force books that you (or anyone else on here, for that matter) would be willing to tip? Msg #21007 Dated 10:34:28 09-27-91 20926 <--> 21009 From: MARVIN STERN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD Glad that you have a deal with AT&T. Now you can spend some time on MAGIC. Msg #21009 Dated 10:38:18 09-27-91 20944 <--> 21029 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD Somewhere around here, I have a big big book, with the whole routine. Msg #21010 Dated 12:27:55 09-27-91 20945 <--> 21014 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS Dave, Count me in for a second show on the 9th, just have to have enough notice to convince my wife to let me go . To keep an "All Magic" theme, I'd vote for Melinda's show rather than a Strip show with just a feature spot. If Melinda is the choice, let me know how many to expect and I'll try to call Hardeen and get a table reserved for us. Or maybe if Geno is listening: Geno, would you want to handle this? Let me know. David (the other one) sorry about the word wrap! Msg #21011 Dated 12:28:40 09-27-91 -> 21049 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: HOUDINI? Bill, I got to visit with Hardeen (H. Houdini) aabout the "Houdini" applying for IBM membership. He told me he knew of someone in Reno that had their name changed to this, and is billing himself this way. Although he wasn't ecstatic about it, he didn't seem to mind "Harry's" application to IBM. Just thought you might like to know who you sponsored isn't a true descendent after all. David (the other one) Msg #21012 Dated 16:25:24 09-27-91 20946 <--> 21069 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS Just out of curiousity, is the Dvorak keyboard so named because of the inventors name or because those keys are on the home row? Also, how difficult is it to train on a Dvorak after typing for 20 years on Qwerty? You have to unlearn one process as you learn another. It's probably confusing for a while. Msg #21013 Dated 16:33:03 09-27-91 20933 <- From: STAN LAKE To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: DEALING SECONDS I'll look forward to hearing from you and we can set up an evening that would be mutually convenient. Msg #21014 Dated 17:47:26 09-27-91 21010 <--> 21024 From: GENO MUNARI To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS Be happy to comp all of you, please let me know when and which show. Showtimes are 8 & 10.30.........by the way Dave, I can't get me magiclog program to auto log on a capture messages. When I press alt 5, a city screen comes up. Any suggestions? Geno Msg #21015 Dated 17:52:37 09-27-91 20864 <--> 21026 From: GENO MUNARI To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Pete, once I was watching Scott, and decided that I would give him $100 if they would tell me where the money was allocated. The operator told me to go to hell. I called back and asked the same question, and she said " I told you to go to hell mister" Isn't he a piece of work? Msg #21016 Dated 18:08:23 09-27-91 -> 21056 From: GENO MUNARI To: ALL Re: VIDEO-NL.ZIP I downloaded and unzipped the file video-nl.zip, and there is no reference to who sells the tapes. I am interested in the Sako and Sayo show. Anyone have a clue. Thanks Msg #21017 Dated 19:54:50 09-27-91 20959 <--> 21018 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IBM No I don't have the Registration Forms that you sed you wuz gonna send me!!!!!! Hurry. Msg #21018 Dated 19:54:59 09-27-91 20960 <--> 21044 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IBM Information? Sure. Msg #21019 Dated 19:55:05 09-27-91 20965 <--> 21301 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Where do you get Virginia ham? Msg #21020 Dated 19:55:14 09-27-91 20967 <--> 21305 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS ARgh. Cap A, Cap R, little GH... sounds like a song... Msg #21021 Dated 19:55:22 09-27-91 20977 <--> 21076 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO I must admit I don't remember him... sorry dude. Msg #21022 Dated 19:55:28 09-27-91 20978 <--> 21316 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: NEW COIN IDEA Creativity we got. Just need to go there and lookie lookie... Msg #21023 Dated 19:55:33 09-27-91 21004 <--> 21074 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: HEADERS I know , it's just that a file on CIS is where I found 'em. ;+) Msg #21024 Dated 19:55:40 09-27-91 21005 <--> 21032 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS Splash before you Boil. (Lance Boil?) Get it? No. TS ;+) Msg #21025 Dated 19:55:48 09-27-91 21006 <--> 21057 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Someone told me all the Karrell Fox and Billy McComb books are force books. Each paragraph starts with "I". . No.... if you are serious, find a publisher to bind about 100 pages all the same into one cover. I have a dictionary made that way!!!! Msg #21026 Dated 19:56:00 09-27-91 21015 <--> 21041 From: PETE BIRO To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Left a msg on your answering machine. I was in Vegas at the airport four over an hour between flights (from Oakland I had to go thru Vegas to go to Denver at a good price!). Be in touch. Msg #21027 Dated 19:56:18 09-27-91 -> 21050 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: HOWIZIT GOIN? Haven't heard from you. Am in Denver just checking in. Will hit the wires again Saturday early AM and late, late around midnight... be good Msg #21029 Dated 21:13:53 09-27-91 21009 <--> 21164 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD And somewhere around here I have some small audio cassettes with the whole routine. But, with your book, we could do it as a duet - you wanna be Abbott or Costello? Msg #21032 Dated 21:15:55 09-27-91 21010 <--> 21033 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS I love Melinda's show, but I saw it not too long ago, with Burt Carpenter. That would not diminish my personal enjoyment though - I could easily see it again. How do some of the other MAGIC! IN VEGAS attendees feel? Msg #21033 Dated 21:17:54 09-27-91 21014 <--> 21034 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS Would hate to impose, Geno. There are about 6 of us plus you if you really feel comfortable with a comp. Otherwise, please feel free to say so. If Melinda is the choice, it would have to be the 8 p.m. show. You may have to give me a voice call (818-899-8812) to discuss what is going on with your capture, but offhand it sonds like you have some kind of TSR (memory resident) program that is hogging your Alt-5 key. If you know what I'm talking about, take a look at your AUTOEXEC.BAT file to see if you are loading such a program - if not, print off a copy of your AUTOEXEC.BAT and then give me a call - anytime up until 9:30 p.m. on most any day is OK. If you get machine, leave best number to call you back at. Msg #21034 Dated 21:22:01 09-27-91 21024 <--> 21216 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS I will go with whatever decision the group is comfortable with - haven't see Shimada in a long time, but also enjoy seeing Melinda. Msg #21035 Dated 21:43:14 09-27-91 20764 <--> 21063 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MANHATTAN I love New York (really). We spent time on Park Ave and in the village. Was a good trip with positives coming out of it. Bleeker St was jumping last night. Visited Richard Robinson and he has an awesome magic library. ALL the old books. I mean ALL. A great lib room and tons of great old magic. Time flew by and I had to book, but hope to return soon. Didn't make any magic shops though. Msg #21036 Dated 21:43:24 09-27-91 20771 <--> 21038 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BELOW THE BELT! I'm sorry I brought it up. Msg #21037 Dated 21:43:32 09-27-91 20772 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COAST TO COAST YOWSUH! Same to you Bro...saw Fax to Glo when I (just) got back. BAM is cool rag and I think they did a mention on BP a while back. Was a good trip. We got tons more work to do, but general concensus is we got it going and group will get signed. Another friend is A&R with labe;l now (manager of A&R) and we brought him in on Wed before we hit the city. Msg #21038 Dated 21:43:43 09-27-91 20778 <--> 21040 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BELOW THE BELT! I know. Msg #21040 Dated 21:43:56 09-27-91 20805 <--> 21046 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: BELOW THE BELT! That's a shame that it wasn't right. (Who's Who). A form was incl in my copy requesting information for update for addendum. I wonder if this will materialize? Msg #21041 Dated 21:44:05 09-27-91 20815 <--> 21072 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS The Church of What's Happening Now is my fave also. Also Geo. Carlin who brought it up. Where is he (The Hippy Dippy Weatherman) when we really need him? Msg #21043 Dated 21:44:19 09-27-91 20829 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: JAN-KEN-PONDER Welcome back. Thanks for responding. I've been doing some "work" with the Jan-ken-Ponder and have been enjoying it. Thanks for putting it out. Msg #21044 Dated 21:44:27 09-27-91 20846 <--> 21045 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IBM Looking 4ward to seeing you in December at SLC. Have been planning to come in on 28 or 29 or when ever I am needed. Msg #21045 Dated 21:44:33 09-27-91 20848 <--> 21313 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IBM I got Nagel the Great's letter and am planning on the 5 to 8 for December in SLC. Msg #21046 Dated 21:44:39 09-27-91 20863 <--> 21064 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BELOW THE BELT! I was in the Saigon airport trying to catch a transport to Thailand with 4 hours to go before country closed (was in group of last people to leave Vietnam before the deadline) talking to some guys and some- body asks me the time. I look at my watchband and somebody had sliced the little leather straps holding the watch to the heavy leather watchband. Cut it off with a blade right while we were talking. Never felt a thing. Bought a watch from a guy when I hit Bangkok (bought on street) for ten bucks and it ran for about two weeks. It was a nice Seiko and took it to shop to fix and the jewels and been removed. I don't know waht jewels do in a watch but this is what guy told me. They swipe watches, take out the jewels to use in princess rings and then sell the watches to SUCKERS. Msg #21047 Dated 21:44:53 09-27-91 20909 <--> 21066 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INTERVIEW In Denver tell Dan Reeves hello from me. I went to highschool with Dan and follow the Broncos. Got fax. Thatz good. Cold in Denver yet? Msg #21049 Dated 21:45:08 09-27-91 21011 <--> 21312 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: HOUDINI? I was interested in that as well. Thanks for checking it out. Msg #21050 Dated 21:45:13 09-27-91 21027 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HOWIZIT GOIN? Just got in from big apple with side trip to AC. Saw fax, thanks 4 Nfo. Will work out both coasts. Have a good one in Denver and will type at you later after sleep, etc. Msg #21052 Dated 21:55:11 09-27-91 -> 21059 From: BURT CARPENTER To: ALL Re: NEWSTUFF Here is a short listing of new titles that I have for sale. For a complete listing go to the files area and download BOOKLIST.TXT That listing has over 175 titles of Books and Videos. As always 10% of the sales price is donated to MAGIC! to help cover operational expenses.Add $2.50 per title for shipping and handling NEW BOOKS: _CARNEYCOPIA_ (John Carney) $37.50 _SMOKE AND MIRRORS_ (John Bannon) $35.00 _TRICKS OF THE IMAGINATION_ (Robert Neal) $30.00 (due in Oct.) NEW VIDEOS: _HANK LEE VIDEO CONCLAVE_ 50.00 (If you couldn't make it watch the rerun!) _MARK DESOUSA VIDEO_ 44.00 (good Linking Rings, Zombie etc.) _UP CLOSE AND FAR AWAY_ 30.00 (companion video to Carneycopia) _CLASSIC RENDITIONS VOL 1_ 35.00 (Michael Ammars great video) _CLASSIC RENDITIONS VOL 2_ 35.00 " " " " _REAL SECRETS_ 45.00 (Eugene Burger, lots of tricks) *** _VIDEOLOG_ 15.00 (a catolog of videos from England offered at a low price. Tapes previewed will be kept in stock here. Featured are Patrick Page, Roy Johnson, Delvin, Shaxon, Rogers, Liebenow, Riding, Kovari, etc.) Send orders to: Burt Carpenter 23900 Ironwood Ave. #B-126 Moreno Valley, CA 92557 Msg #21053 Dated 21:56:46 09-27-91 -> 21060 From: BURT CARPENTER To: ALL Re: COMPUTER MAGIC or The Great Disk Drive drive.... To raise money for new faster disk drives and other items for MAGIC!, here is a special deal for you. I am selling copies (legit fctory copies of course!) of _THE COMPUTERIZED MAGICIAN_ by Edward Martin and George Schindler. 100% of all profits will go to MAGIC!. This 5.25" disk will run only on IBM compatable equipment and runs in either BASICA or GWBASIC. The programs on this disk need no special graphics cards or monitors and will run on either color or monochrome monitors. There are 9, count 'em, NINE mind blowing tricks per disk. Some are totally self working. Just set your victim -er spectator down to the keyboard and wait for them to blow themselves away. Other effects require your participation. Here is a complete listing: 1)_COMPUTER ESP_ Five standard ESP symbols are shown and selected in any order by the spectator while your back is turned or after you leave the room. They then clear the screen and you return. Without ever touching the keyboard, you can discern the order chosen. 2)_USER FRIENDLY_ A comedy revelation of a freely selected card. Have your spectator select a face down card from a real deck. The computer will ask a series of funny questions to which the spectator types the answers. The computer then reveals the chosen card. Turn over the real card and IT MATCHES! 3)_RISING CARD_ A freely selected card "rises" on the screen without your assistance after the computer asks your spectator some comedy questions. The spectator can even lie about the answers and his card still rises. 4)_COMPUTER TRIUMPH_ (Sure to be a Biro favorite) The best in computer card effects. After shuffling the deck 1/2 face up and 1/2 face down, a selected card is the only reversed card both on screen and in your deck. A DOUBLE WHAMMY!! 5)_TWENTY ONE_ A self working card revelation. Just start it up and watch. The spectator always has free choice and the computer does it all. 6)_NUMBER MENTALISM_ Without touching the computer, you can divine a spectators chosen number. A secret message on the screen assists your mental abilities. 7) _NINE CARD PREDICTION_ The computer leads the spectator through a series of random moves among nine cards on the screen. The result matches your prediction that has been in full view before the effect began. Can be repeated immediately 8)_MIND OVER COMPUTER_ (The ultimate ESP challenge) Spectator freely selects and hides his card. You immediately match it on the screen. To order this GEM that no self respecting, computer operating MAGIC!AN should be without, send $15.00 plus $1.50 shipping and handling to: Burt Carpenter 23900 Ironwood Ave #B-126 Moreno Valley, Ca 92557 Remember 100% of the profits go to support this great forum we call MAGIC! Msg #21056 Dated 22:48:40 09-27-91 21016 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: VIDEO-NL.ZIP The tapes in the VIDEO-NL file are ones that ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN has in his personal library. You should contact him here by private message. Msg #21057 Dated 22:50:49 09-27-91 21025 <--> 21068 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Thanks - I was just wondering about common, ordinary household books that have been deliberately created as force books, not about the specialty ones. Msg #21059 Dated 23:01:05 09-27-91 21052 <--> 21067 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: NEWSTUFF Burt - Are you able to get the Tamariz books - "The Magic Way" and "The Five Points In Magic"? Also, the third volume of the Fitzkee trilogy - Magic By Misdirection? Also, anything by Dr. Hiroshi Sawa? Msg #21060 Dated 23:07:55 09-27-91 21053 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: COMPUTER MAGIC THANK YOU, Burt! I really appreciate you doing this - and we do need the bigger, faster hard drive and other stuff pretty urgently. Msg #21063 Dated 23:20:36 09-27-91 21035 <--> 21086 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MANHATTAN Zounds good. I new u wuz back so I dialed on just before it turned Saturday... yar... those are great ol' neighborhoods. Msg #21064 Dated 23:20:42 09-27-91 21036 <--> 21065 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BELOW THE BELT! Brought up what? Msg #21065 Dated 23:20:46 09-27-91 21046 <--> 21087 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BELOW THE BELT! Jewels in watches are like the BEARINGS... hmmmmmm Msg #21066 Dated 23:20:51 09-27-91 21047 <--> 21089 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: INTERVIEW It is 87 here today. Reeves not around. Elway owns 3, count 'em 3 car dealerships THAT I KNOW OF... TV comm'l showed Mazda, Honda and the street hotel is on had BRAND NEW SIGN "ELWAY TOYOTA" Tough being poor. On Leno tonite guy talked about a kid that requested (via his newspaper column) that anybody that wanted to help him go to college to send him 1 Penny. He got (I think) 3.8 Million pennies! Msg #21067 Dated 23:21:01 09-27-91 21052 <--> 21090 From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: NEWSTUFF I have Carney's "Up Close and Far Away"... a great, and fun, video. Much like Williamson's... Anybody got a new phone no. for Dave Williamson? Need to get him. Msg #21068 Dated 23:21:08 09-27-91 21057 <--> 21070 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS There are many sneaky ways tomake any book a force. Gaetan Bloome has a handling where a card is tossed into the pages and there are ways with thread, glue, you name it you got it... . The one I like is a big guy comes up to you and says "Take this book or I'll break your arms!" Now that is FORCE.... Especially if it is an American Gladiator... my new favorite TV Show. . OK, OK, it's late and the altitude has gotten me here in good ol' Mile High City.... Msg #21069 Dated 23:13:03 09-27-91 21012 <--> 21073 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: VIDEOS The Dvorak keyboard is named for its inventor. I had several copies of the layout around, but, of course, now that we are talking about it, I can't find any. As I recall, the most frequently used letters are on the homekey row and I believe that a rather large percentage of common words can be typed without ever leaving the homekey row. In addition, frequent combinations do not rely on the use of the same fingers to move to other rows. Also, important (common) keys are not delegated to the weakest finger, generally the left pinky. It isn't that difficult for a QWERTY touch typist to change to. But it is damn near impossible to switch back and forth between QWERTY and Dvorak. Msg #21070 Dated 23:23:37 09-27-91 21068 <--> 21077 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Yeah, yeah, yeah, Biro - I already know about a great many other ways to do the job! I was just interested in knowing about common, ordinary bookstore books that were intentionally created that way. Msg #21071 Dated 23:30:23 09-27-91 20986 <--> 21321 From: MAX MAVEN To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: DR. JAKS When Duke died Karrell and Abb burned a huge amount of flashpaper over his grave. A related story is that, reportedly, some key instruction sheets were accidentally buried with him... Msg #21072 Dated 23:36:07 09-27-91 20934 <--> 21145 From: T A WATERS To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS But the great one was Dr. O. L. Jaggers and Miss Velma... Msg #21073 Dated 23:39:13 09-27-91 21069 <--> 21078 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS There are several program utilities that will autoconvert to Dvorak --of course you have to change the labels on the keys. In Dvorak it is my understanding that nearly 80 % of the typing is done on the home row. Msg #21074 Dated 23:40:59 09-27-91 20989 <--> 21271 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HEADERS The faces and such :-] -- are called Emoticons; I have a sizable file of them I can upload. Msg #21076 Dated 23:49:45 09-27-91 20969 <--> 21322 From: T A WATERS To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO But Homo Erectus walked sooner -- Homo Magus couldn't because he still had stuff in his lap. Msg #21077 Dated 23:57:32 09-27-91 21006 <--> 21079 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS I do know that some years ago Bill Kuethe published a compilation list of such books -- but am not sure you could locate it. Msg #21078 Dated 0:03:13 09-28-91 21073 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: VIDEOS Yes, and I even have a great many of those Dvorak utilities... somewhere. I believe that I have also heard the 80% figure for the coverage that the Dvorak homekey row affords. That figure could, however, be based on individual keystrokes and not words. Msg #21079 Dated 0:05:57 09-28-91 21077 <--> 21097 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Thanks, T A, but not being able to locate that list leaves me a bit un-Kuethe. When you say "am not sure you could locate it" are you suggesting that someone else could locate it? Msg #21080 Dated 0:43:23 09-28-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAGIC-55 The fifty-fifth set of MAGIC! messages - #17000 (September 1, 1991) to #17499 (September 4, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable file. The file is named MAGIC-55.TXT. This means that you can now go to the file area, download this file, and read the fifty-fifth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-55.ZIP and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version. Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the search for new messages easier and faster. Msg #21081 Dated 0:43:57 09-28-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAGIC-56 The fifty-sixth set of MAGIC! messages - #17500 (September 4, 1991) to #17999 (September 7, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable file. The file is named MAGIC-56.TXT. This means that you can now go to the file area, download this file, and read the fifty-sixth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-56.ZIP and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version. Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the search for new messages easier and faster. Msg #21083 Dated 1:01:34 09-28-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: DVORAK KEYBOARD OK - This is what a QWERTY keyboard looks like (the punctuation marks on the top row are the shifted numeral keys): ` ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( ) - + \ Q W E R T Y U I O P [ ] A S D F G H J K L ; ' Z X C V B N M , . / AND here is the layout for the Dvorak keyboard: ` ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( ) [ + \ / , . P Y F G C R L ; ] A O E U I D H T N S - ' Q J K X B M W V Z Msg #21086 Dated 11:04:38 09-28-91 21063 <--> 21260 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MANHATTAN Yeah, I'm here. We're having meetings all day with BP and Producer, etc. so will be slack til tonight. Great neighborhoods, yar!! Msg #21087 Dated 11:04:43 09-28-91 21064 <--> 21088 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BELOW THE BELT! I don't remember. Msg #21088 Dated 11:04:48 09-28-91 21065 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BELOW THE BELT! That's what I thought re: JEWELS. Msg #21089 Dated 11:04:52 09-28-91 21066 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: INTERVIEW 3.8 million pennies is what 38k. Good for him. Now, if I could get everybody on MAGIC! to send me 10k each I could go to law school. Msg #21090 Dated 11:04:57 09-28-91 21067 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEWSTUFF Williamson moved. Ask Gary Plants. Msg #21095 Dated 14:26:02 09-28-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAX MAVEN/LANCE BURTON FINAL REMINDER *************************** * * * TWO MAGIC!(tm) EVENTS * * * *************************** MAGIC! plans to kick off October - a magical month - with TWO get-togethers - one in Pasadena, California and the other in Las Vegas, Nevada . . . *************** * * * MAX MAVEN * * * *************** MAGIC! member MAX MAVEN rarely appears on the American stage. The evening of OCTOBER 6th, 1991, will be one of those rare appearances. MAX will be performing on the stage of the Ice House in Pasadena, California. If you've dreamed of seeing MAX perform, this is your chance. And we'd like to put together a group of MAGIC! members to share the experience. The performance is at 9 p.m. and reservations need to be made far in advance. MAGIC! members will, of course, pay their own way and provide their own transportation (car pools can be figured out on-line). If you want to see MAX MAVEN and have an enjoyable evening with MAGIC! members, MAKE YOUR RESERVATION NOW. **************** * * * LANCE BURTON * * * **************** On the evening of WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 9th a group of MAGIC! members will be in LAS VEGAS for the late show with LANCE BURTON. The group will include PETE BIRO and TABBY CRABB! This should be a unique evening and it is quite possible (although not guaranteed) that LANCE will join us for coffee after the show! Each MAGIC! member will be responsible for his or her own expenses, including a ticket to the show and a tip to the Maitre d', but Pete is working on getting us VIP seating as a group. Tickets to the show are $ 15, the tip should be around $ 5. If you are planning to stay over, you will need to make arrangements at your favorite hotel. >>>>>>>>>> MAKE YOUR RESERVATION NOW! <<<<<<<<<< These two events are a great chance for MAGIC! members to get together, to meet each other, and to see MAX MAVEN and LANCE BURTON perform. Join us for these exciting evenings of MAGIC! Msg #21096 Dated 14:26:57 09-28-91 -> 21167 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: A MAGIC! SURPRISE! ANOTHER INCREDIBLE ************************** * * * MAGIC!(tm) EVENT * * * ************************** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! ! ! GENO MUNARI ! ! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAGIC! member GENO MUNARI will be performing in the Magic Castle Parlour showroom the week of OCTOBER 14th to 20th! There will be three shows a night, 7:45, 8:45, and 9:30. Guest arrangements can be made for amy MAGIC! members over the age of 21 who are not Castle members - leave a private message for the Sysop. BUT THERE IS MORE!!! MAGIC! will have a SPECIAL FRIDAY LUNCHEON to honor GENO on Friday, OCTOBER 18th at the Magic Castle. Geno is an outstanding MAGIC! member, and this is a chance for us to get together with him. Dress will be casual and membership in the Magic Castle is not required to attend this special no-host luncheon (but you must be 21 or older). In order to attend this luncheon, you MUST make a RESERVATION, by leaving a private message to the Sysop, no later than 11:59 p.m. on October 5th. Attendance will be limited and will be on a first come, first served basis, so MAKE YOUR RESERVATION NOW! Msg #21097 Dated 17:37:54 09-28-91 21079 <--> 21098 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS I mean that I know I've got it somewhere in a box; someone else might have a copy of it available. You might check with Abrams and Walker at the Swap Meet. Msg #21098 Dated 20:37:52 09-28-91 21097 <--> 21123 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Ah! Now I understand. Will try to check at the Swap Meet. Msg #21101 Dated 21:24:16 09-28-91 From: JIM SISTI To: ALL Re: THANKS I would like to thank all who expressed sympathy and offered condolances over the last few days. Your kind thoughts were appreciated and made a difficult time that much easier to get though. Thank you again. Msg #21112 Dated 9:50:12 09-29-91 -> 21127 From: GENO MUNARI To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: WELLS.ZIP I HAVE INCLUDED MU AUTOEXEC.BAT FILE FOR YOU. I CREATED THE MAGICLOG. PROGRAM, BUT CHANGED THE EXTENSION TO .CMD SO ALT 5 WILL INVOKE IT, HOWEVER IT SHOW AN ERROR IN LINE 9 AND SOME GARBAGE. DO YOU HVAE ANY IDEAS?PATH = C:\FASTBACK;C:\FASTBACK;C:\MENU SET FASTBACK=C:\FASTBACK cd\util l cd\ cd\util nc cd\c:\ echo off REM Next several lines are for Menu Works SET MENU=C:\MENU MENU C:\MENU\MENU.MDF Msg #21115 Dated 11:48:16 09-29-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: H&R BOOK LIST Hi Charlie... Got the box o boox. Many thanks. A couple other things I want if still avail and I don't know why I didn't ask last time but here goes.. #91 as well as the other two bound Jinx (2,3)...Anyway, lemme know and thanx.. tabman Msg #21116 Dated 16:36:48 09-29-91 -> 21128 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL Magically speaking, I've been looking through the well read copy of _Greater Magic_ I got from Charlie and got a rush when I saw that it had belonged a while back to Ben Robinson, the bullet catch guy. I snapped his book _12 Have Died_ up when it first came out and read it twice. For some biarre reason, I too am fascinated with the bullet catch. This is what lead me to Chung Ling Soo, Annemann, Meyer, and others. The _Greater Magic_ book had belonged to some magician in GB and carries the Davenport sticker in the front. I visited a most marvelous library in NYC and during our conversations we started talking magic table bases and he (R.Robinson) asked me to identify some he had. I had been trying to locate more of the great Conradi bases and he pulled out two, though they aren't as nice as the ones I have sitting here on the desk. Made around 1900, his had been used by a pro magician from the city for 40-50 years and still worked great. I want you to meet this guy sometime. You'd enjoy a visit to his private digs. Don't go to the big apple without letting me know. I said to him before leaving, "I don't suppose you'd want to part with those Conradi stands would you?" I guess you know the answer. . Gloria sez thank PETE for the FAX as you are the only person who ever faxes her and she has fun reading them. A good person, Gloria, and the best kind of wife for a rover like me. . Guys were playing golf yesterday on the tabman links and now have a hole in office window and it is getting colder here. Ball came through glass and just missed computer screen on desk. Golf ball was sitting on mouse pad when I came inside to assay the damage. Hard to replace colonial glass though but I had a premonition so it's all my fault for not moving the tee box. . Decided I am going to quit drinking, etc tomorrow so still have two pints of Old Grandad and a fifth of Lord Calvert to go and I started at 5:30 am when I took Greg to the airport. Driving up he told me he had had a dream about a card trick. He asked me if I had a deck in the truck and I had an sealed deck in the glove box. Well, he had sliced it open and reversed a card and sealed it back up. I had told him several years ago that I always say "Ace of Clubs" whenever I'm asked to "think of a card" (well, I won't anymore). We had a good laugh and I turned him onto some Stewart james stuff. He will be head of NY-MCA Music Pub in five years (maybe sooner the way things are going). Magicians make for good friends. . I think I'll save the antique bottle of Cuban Rum and the 50 year old bottle of tequila as I'm scared they'll kill me. Also I predict that I will be loosing most of the 50 pounds I have gained over 6 years idle in the next 6 mos to a year. Feels good to be rocking again, only this time with the experience to see the pitfalls and let the young take to the road with an old hand guiding them. . The proof of the photo I sent you looks great. Sorry the 8x10s turned out so light but I guess the lab (the drug store down the road) thought they were doing me a favor by lightening it up. In the proof, the focus is upon the cards and your right hand. The rest of you is hidden in the shadows and the green of the crap table wool on the card table is perfect. I think I'll throw the proof in the gig bag next week just to show you plus pics of a bunch of tables just before mailing and some shots of the table bases since I can't bring em with me this trip. . Have a good one. Msg #21122 Dated 21:13:15 09-29-91 20930 <--> 21130 From: STEVEN KRAMER To: T A WATERS (X) Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET I just got out my copy of SH-H-H--! It's a Secret. The official name of this effect is "The Tune Detective". In the description Annemann suggests one Hums or Whistles the tune!! Happy Humming!!! Msg #21123 Dated 21:21:05 09-29-91 21098 <--> 21138 From: STEVEN KRAMER To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS I am aware of three issues of Fantasy and Science Fiction Magazine that were published as force books. These are not current but were the actual May 1959, June 1960 and June 1961 issues. Msg #21124 Dated 21:24:33 09-29-91 -> 21137 From: STEVEN KRAMER To: T A WATERS (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS T A, What the names of your two books that had the 9th word as force words? Msg #21126 Dated 21:37:57 09-29-91 From: STEVEN KRAMER To: ALL Re: DENNY LAUB/CON-QUEST Does anyone know how to get in touch with Denny Laub. I am attempting to procure a copy of Con-Quest. I have been unable to locate a copy of the book and so I thought I would go directly to the source. If someone knows how I may obtain a copy of the previously mentioned book that would sufice. Thank you!! Msg #21127 Dated 21:54:21 09-29-91 21112 <--> 21132 From: PETE BIRO To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: WELLS.ZIP Looks like the stuff I don't know nuttin' about! Thanks for those that do being like guys that like to help! Msg #21128 Dated 21:54:26 09-29-91 21116 <--> 21149 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL Good to hear from yay... just off airplane and hit the home. Have a long msg I wrote on the other computer on the airplane. Might get it out and send tonite, if not tomorrow! . Got Sports Illustrated and foooooeeeyyyyy none of my pix made the story. My stuff was "mid career" of Foyt and they decided to go OLD B&W STUFF and new set up shots they just did fresh. Is OK, I got paid for doing the stuff in the first place. Just wooda been nice to be in on this piece. ARgh... smarg ;+) Msg #21130 Dated 21:54:44 09-29-91 21122 <- From: PETE BIRO To: STEVEN KRAMER (X) Re: SH-H-H--! IT'S A SECRET You mean I got to quit playing the drums? Wonder if a Tamborine will work? Nice item to use in close up act, leave it around later for tip placement! Msg #21132 Dated 22:48:41 09-29-91 21112 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: WELLS.ZIP It would look like you are starting both Norton Commander (or something else called nc) and a menu program. Either one could be usurping the Alt-5 key position. You might try booting from a PLAIN DOS DISKETTE - one that does not have those programs in the Autoexec, and then running your magiclog program and seeing if the same problem occurs. Msg #21137 Dated 23:04:22 09-29-91 21124 <--> 21261 From: T A WATERS To: STEVEN KRAMER (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS LOVE THAT SPY forced the word MORNING, and THE BLACKWOOD CULT forced the word READ -- neither, as it turned out, were true force books because in both cases the copyeditor screwed up so there are chapters where the words don't appear in the proper positions. Msg #21138 Dated 23:06:08 09-29-91 21123 <--> 21226 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STEVEN KRAMER (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Thanks for the tip, Steven! I guess I'm not too likely to come by those issues of F&SF, but I appreciate knowing about them. Msg #21141 Dated 23:47:51 09-29-91 -> 21143 From: STAN LAKE To: ALL Re: CASTLE LECTURE Did anyone attend yesterdays lecture at the Castle? I couldn't make it and I wondered what I missed. Msg #21142 Dated 23:48:58 09-29-91 -> 21144 From: STAN LAKE To: ALL Re: MAX MAVEN I just came back from the Ice House in Pasadena (a comedy club) where Max Maven performed. Those of you who were fortunate enough to sign up with David Lichtman to attend next weeks show are in for a real treat. I have never seen one of Max's shows so I didn't know quite what to expect other than he mainly does mentalism. I was a bit worried it wasn't going to be much of a show since the first two performers only did ten minutes of material but they were merely the warm up acts for the headliner, Max. I was also worried by his being billed as a comedy mindreader or comedy mentalist. I'm thinking, what's that- slapstick mentalism? One-liner mentalism? Those of you that have seen Max know that his approach to his craft is serious but it is skilfully woven with humor. What a seasoned pro! He's really in his element up on stage-in total control and the audience was thoroughly enjoying his performance. I'm sure all of you that get to see him will have as much fun as I did. Msg #21143 Dated 23:51:10 09-29-91 21141 <--> 21168 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CASTLE LECTURE Alas, I didn't get to attend the lecture either - hope someone did! Sunday was the day of Nathan's big performance and he carried it off rather well. He had the usual kind of luck - he was performing in a park and just after he started, a set of fire engines roared by! He had to wait it out, but he handled it pretty well and his effect was very well received, both by the children and the adults. Msg #21144 Dated 23:54:35 09-29-91 21142 <--> 21151 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN Thanks for the report on Max Maven at the Ice House, Stan! Sounds like it is going to be great to see next week. I've reposted the info on it as, if someone would still like to join us, if they let me know by Monday we might still be able to squeeze them in. This is a performance I'm really looking forward to. P.S. - Did you go by and say "Hi" to Max? Msg #21145 Dated 6:45:24 09-30-91 20870 <--> 21154 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS WC was so effective with Godfrey Daniels. I wonder what he would have used for m-----f-----. Msg #21146 Dated 6:45:35 09-30-91 20878 <--> 21147 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Actually, I'm surprised you gave me credit for the hit being that high! It was just too big an opening to avoid temptation on... Msg #21147 Dated 6:45:44 09-30-91 20879 <--> 21148 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG I just hope that Martin knows to throw away the side with the guts after he peals 'em. Actually, I would recommend having him make up t he 3 1/2 Frog effect and possibly the elongated frog. The real work on the folded Close Card is that it must be made of Teflon...otherwise it will stick to their tongues. ....and when doing the Elmsley Frog count, all frogs must overcome a tendancy to hop on the third frog. Finally, there is the appearing warts effect. Msg #21148 Dated 6:46:05 09-30-91 20883 <--> 21152 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Which con am I doin'? ...the mouse?, svengali?, or the Xylo board? Msg #21149 Dated 7:08:14 09-30-91 21128 <--> 21157 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL Am running this week like a madman. Got lots to do, etc. Glad you made it home. How was Denver? C U NW. Msg #21151 Dated 7:08:24 09-30-91 21142 <--> 21172 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN Glad you got by to see Max's performance. What kind of venue is the Ice House? Msg #21152 Dated 7:55:01 09-30-91 21148 <--> 21155 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG monte. Msg #21153 Dated 8:35:34 09-30-91 -> 21158 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES Am I to assume that the recent dearth of messages here on MAGIC! means that all the issues have been solved? All the effects discussed? All the news reported? And that everyone has now turned their attention to a more lucrative field like golf? Msg #21154 Dated 9:19:11 09-30-91 21145 <--> 21268 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Who is the m-----f----- you refer to as WC? Msg #21155 Dated 9:19:17 09-30-91 21146 <--> 21310 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Fooy on yooy Msg #21157 Dated 9:19:32 09-30-91 21149 <--> 21161 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL Tab... a message (21149) was totally garbled... also you ask ME about Maven? I wuz not there. Ice House? Is a standard place with the brick back wall like almost all comedy clubs. Msg #21158 Dated 9:19:38 09-30-91 21153 <--> 21175 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES No you fool, the Radier/49er game had to be it... If all issues are resolved, and all tricks discussed, I guess I will go back to bed. Msg #21161 Dated 9:54:27 09-30-91 21157 <--> 21174 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL I dunno. Was trying to get Stan Lake to describe the ICE HOUSE to me and wondered if it was an old ice house sorta like the Cannery in Nashvul is an old cannery. I have no control over line noise or other forms of polution which I didn't help create. Only responsible for myself and the things I have created. Anyway sometimes silence is better....maybe even GOLDEN. Msg #21164 Dated 10:22:08 09-30-91 21029 <--> 21191 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD I guess you should be the skinny one. Msg #21167 Dated 10:25:38 09-30-91 21096 <--> 21194 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: A MAGIC! SURPRISE! Count me in for lunch Oct. 18. Do we get another button? Msg #21168 Dated 10:56:40 09-30-91 21143 <--> 21195 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CASTLE LECTURE What was the effect he presented? Was it the one that Pete gave him some ideas on? Way to go Nathan- good job! Msg #21172 Dated 10:58:07 09-30-91 21144 <--> 21173 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAX MAVEN I saw Max before the show and said something like "You may not remember this, but about a year ago on the Magic! bulletin board I said the next time you were playing in Southern California I would go to see your show and I would introduce myself. He stood there politely and said "Well, who are you?" I didn't say anything smartassed like "You're the mentalist, you tell me!" I just wanted to say hi and let him know that I came to see his show as a token of support from one Magic! member to another. After seeing his performance I can understand why he has become such a popular performer. A truly unique and powerful exhibition of his talents that thoroughly entertained the audience. I know you will all enjoy it immensely. Msg #21173 Dated 11:06:18 09-30-91 21151 <--> 21178 From: STAN LAKE To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAX MAVEN The Ice House is a comedy club which from what I understand has been around for quite a long time. Probably one of the first in the area. On the wall are pictures of up and coming performers that played there in years gone by such as Jay Leno, Robin Williams, Roseanne Barr, David Letterman, etc. There was a photo of Bob Hope standing outside of the Ice House but I think he was there as a spectator, not a performer. I have been there three times and each time the performers were all very funny and worth the admission price of $7.50 or so. I'm guessing it seats around 200 people. Two drink minimum ranging from $2.75 for a soda up to the four and five dollar range for mixed drinks and house specialties. There is an adjoining restaurant and they also serve Hors d'oeuvres in the showroom. Does that answer your question? Oh, dress is casual. Msg #21174 Dated 11:16:25 09-30-91 21161 <--> 21179 From: STAN LAKE To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL The Ice House is in the old part of Pasadena so it is possible the original building had something to do with cold storage. I used to work in a real ice house called United States Cold Storage where we made ice by the 300 pound blocks. It was and is a huge facility. The one in Pasadena could not have been the same type of operation. Msg #21175 Dated 11:19:59 09-30-91 21153 <--> 21199 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES Are you kidding!? How about all of those projects we've bandied about? Cataloging and cross referencing all of the worlds magic books and tapes, putting together a series of classes to teach the performance aspects of magic, writing up a lecture review form, etc. Lots to do! Msg #21176 Dated 11:23:20 09-30-91 -> 21180 From: STAN LAKE To: ALL Re: MAX MAVEN After seeing last nights performance my wife asked me if I could do the same tricks Max Maven did. She only asks me that if- 1. She liked the effects. 2. She can't figure them out. Can I do the same tricks Max Maven did? I explained to her that would be like looking at a painting by Renoir or Picasso and wondering if you could paint like that because your box of crayons has the same colors in it. I may have the same colors but there was only one Renoir or Picasso. Because I may know the same techniques Max knows or I may be able to re-create an effect Max does, the end result would not have the same impact Max would have. After seeing his show I have a better idea of his viewpoint on the lecture video taping debate. I can see how Max's lecture would be slanted more towards an inspirational or theoretical lecture. Not a "this is how you do this trick" lecture. I've heard or read that any trick is 10 per cent technique and 90 per cent presentation. I would think in Max's case it is even a higher ratio than that on the presentation side. I wouldn't and I COULDN'T present an effect like Max but I sure did learn a lot about presentation from that one show. I would very much look forward to a lecture given by him and I no longer think a video tape of that kind of lecture I have in mind would be necessary. Msg #21178 Dated 12:40:26 09-30-91 21173 <--> 21184 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN Yes Stan, thanks for the reply. You know how you get these visions in your head based just on a name and am glad to be able to put some accuracy in it. I would like to have come out for Max's per- formance on 6 October but couldn't work it out to leave til the 7. tabman Msg #21179 Dated 12:40:33 09-30-91 21174 <--> 21223 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL There was a small ice plant in my home town n GA and I had this sort of picture in my mind. I do see the bricks though. Msg #21180 Dated 12:40:38 09-30-91 21176 <--> 21187 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN I envy your being able to go. I'll have to wait til Max lectures at the Music City Conclave next January in Nashville. Msg #21181 Dated 13:51:42 09-30-91 -> 21200 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: MOJO!!!! How many of you zip into the local magic shop to see "What's New?" And I don't just mean tricks, the same goes for books. One of the great treats for me, of late, is going through the OLD STUFF, trying to figure out what it is that I have had in storage for a number of years. Additionally, I have been logging in my book collection on the computer. (With a nice low-priced Data Base, called FILE EXPRESS. Easy to customize and easy to use). I have finished logging in my "regular" books. Still to go are the RARE books, Gambling Books, and volumes on Juggling, Ventriloquism and allied arts. Then the catalogs and uh, the Lecture Notes. Going through some of the old and nostalgic tricks I have found two that I had forgotten about and I find would very likely be KILLERS today. They are so old that (IMHO) they can be new. If you haven't seen it -- it is new. Right? One is the Loyd Enochs "Ink Bottle". The effect: You borrow a ladies handkerchief. The nicer the better. Kinda like borrowing a $100 bill makes the trick more interesting than if you used a $5.00. You say, "Gee, this is a beautiful, old fashioned handkerchief... I need to mark it, but I don't want to use something so MODERN as a ball point pen... so I'll use this old bottle of INK. (Show bottle) I got this at an antique shop the other day." You open the bottle and dip a piece of paper into it and it comes out with ink, black ink, on it. Real ink, no kidding. Then you say, you can't find your Quill Pen, so maybe you will just dip the corner into the ink. You actually end up stuffing the entire handkerchief into the bottle. You say, "Well, I guess I screwed that up! Let's try another trick." Bring forth a small paper bag and reaching in you bring out a potatoe. You take a knife, and peal away a spot on the side of the spud, and a little white spot is seen. Enlarging the hole a bit and it appears to be cloth. Lo and behold, as they say in some circles, the lady grasps the corner and removes FROM INSIDE the potatoe her wonderful white hanky... clean as a whistle. No, it does not use a thumb or finger tip. Almost self-working!!! Clever and easy as drinking water (that's what the House of Magic ads used to say). To see demo... come to the Music City Conclave in Nashville, where I plan to show some 'FORGOTTEN MAGIC'. Another FORGOTTEN GEM is the Paul Fox Beer Trick. Here you fairly show (I spin it on a stick - or wand) a Beer Can absolutely empty. And the top has been removed. Talk about how beer is made. You have a small bag of "hops" (actually confetti) and take some out, put into can and show to someone at a nearby table (comedy club or parlour show) and let them keep it. Then you FILL the can with confetti. Saying, "It just takes a few seconds to brew (you can tie in slogans or gags, based on what they are saying in current TV beer commercials). You cover the can with the small bag for a few seconds, uncover and toss the bag aside. You pick up the can and pour a full Pilsner Glass of beer. You may give the beer and the can to someone. There is no gaff to be discoverd. Just the real can and the real beer! I just don't want to lose the glass, it is a beautiful antique Pilsner Glass given to me as a gift by Danny Dew -- just for use with this trick. Msg #21182 Dated 13:53:09 09-30-91 -> 21193 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: MO MOJO!!!!! How many do the mis-made flag? With patriotism no longer a dirty word here in the USA, tricks with flags should be once again very popular. I dug up a nice set of the flags, from Rice (has anyone else come close to the quality Harold Rice established some years ago?) and a quick look into some of the classic books on silk, like the Rice Encyclopedia (when in Francis Martineau going to finish Vol. 4?) you can do a really clean version using one of the old Al Baker Dye Tubes. Tenkai had some beautiful handling of the dye tube in one of his books. If you do the Silk to Egg, you might want to switch to using a pair of small silk flags. I do a sort of Tribute to Betsy Ross patter, combined with the old gag about "waving the flag to get SURE applause" -- this brings it up to date. Additionally, the handling for Silk to Egg can be really made easy if you think about it. I hate seeing some of the crude versions where you have two eggs in one hand, palming and switching. Not much of what I had seen looked natural, so I started to analyze the trick. Take it into another dimension. Think THEATER. Some of the great misdirection comes from the legit stage, where no magi are involved. Just good theatrical deportment. If you think that way, the time to switch the egg is AFTER the trick is done and the audience is FINISHED PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION. They are done concentrating, they think the trick is finished. And bam... AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT you now deliver the line, "Well, if I was a REAL magician I would break the egg!" Which you do. On the let down (you have the fake egg in your left hand and the flag (or silk) you have reproduced from your right pocket is in your right hand. Under the silk is the real egg. Don't try to palm it, just hold it out of sight under the silk. Try this in front of a mirror. Remember the trick is over and you are merely starting to put the props away. Just place the silk into your left hand (on top of the egg) and look to your left... taking the silk away (with the fake egg already in left hand) the real egg, in right hand just 'IS THERE' make no fuss. It is just there... then you deliver the final blow. There is no suspicion that you switched anything, you did not point up anything. It is over and you have eliminated a major "sweat" part of the trick! A very good one I might add. The handling is much like the Shuttle Pass with coins, or the Vernon acquitment with the 4 balls shown as 3 in his cups and balls routine. And that great (I am not kidding) trick... "SOFT SOAP". Boy, I can still remember the first time I saw this one. I had no idea how it could be done. I remember the kids going for the box and ripping it to shreds at the finish! And the Dye Box. Yep, the sucker sliding Dye Box. I saw an act do this at an "adult" comedy club and tear them up. Boy, what ADULTS... they were screaming like crazy to "Open the other door!" just like a roomful of 12 year olds! Saw the same reaction from (HONEST) the Hippity Hop Rabbits. (Real name: Norman's Elusive Bunnies). Proving once again, there is nothing new. The old stuff can be new, just dust it off and give it a go! Msg #21183 Dated 13:54:26 09-30-91 -> 21203 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: EVEN MO MOJO!!! YO! How many of you have found the PERFECT trick? What is the perfect trick? Well, it depends. If you are looking for a "do anywhere" angle proof, goof proof effect, that works without setting, has no replacement parts (like a newspaper tear) it is pretty tough to find anything better than the Chinese Sticks. There are many versions, however. And there is, in fact "work" on the handling. Some of the best sticks available today come from the Hungarian magic dealer, George Kovari. Based in England, Kovari makes the smoothest operating sticks anywhere. One of the key ingredients in Kovari's sticks is something I introduced to him on one of my lectures. Teflon. I had a set of sticks that I had modified that George fell in love with. He wanted to know what I had done to make them run so smoothly and without any perceptible tilt. Well, one of the sticks did not require any tilt, it was gaffed to work with a spring reel. The other stick was lined with thin sheet Teflon. I gave some to Kovari and he has incorporated it into the construction of his sticks. The Histed Sticks are a favorite of mine. I found an original set years ago in Davenport's Crypt. I modified these, took the basic "Histed" principle (the sticks are detailed in the book, "Magic Circle Magic" with a routine by Ali Bongo. I made my sticks from regular plumber's PVC pipe and connectors and added plastic, joke shop water faucet taps to give it a comedic appearance. You can, in fact, use real faucet taps if you want as they have nothing to do with the mechanical working of the trick and are only for decoration. Instead of Tassels, or Pom Poms, which I feel don't fit my performing style, I fitted the sticks with white (for visibility) Sink Stoppers. Unlike with the Chinese Sticks, which use gravity, there is no weight problem with the Histed system. If you want to use stoppers with Chinese Sticks, you must make "replicas" from styrofoam to allow the weights to pull them up easily. The idea for stoppers on Chinese Sticks comes from English funnyman Terry Seabrooke and the taps are my addition. All kinds of gags have been devised for a finish to the sticks. Roy Benson used to have one of the best versions, finishing the trick by bringing in a 3rd stick. Fred Kaps used the same Benson idea in Europe, when Henk Vermeyden showed it to him. I worked out a comedy finish using a third Tassel on top of an authentic Chinese Hat, but later added the third, "Spare" Tassel coming out at the top of my trousers. The Tassel was on a white nylon parachute cord with a fishing weight at the other end. The cord ran down my leg, making my pants leg, in effect, another chinese stick, with the cord running down inside it. When you pulled the Tassel from the top of the pants, pressure against your pants from pushing outward with your stomach muscles would "hold" the Tassel in the "down" position. Then, when you pulled on the Tassel of one of the Chinese Sticks, you only had to relax the pressure of the stomach muscles and the weight would drop down your leg, pulling the Tassel back up to the top of your trousers. A couple of repeats made this a funny visual finish to the Chinese Sticks. Msg #21184 Dated 14:06:19 09-30-91 21172 <--> 21185 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN Well, did you tell Max who you are? Glad you liked his perf. Msg #21185 Dated 14:06:24 09-30-91 21173 <--> 21198 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN You have to wear a casual dress? ARgh.... Ricky Jay has appeared there too. Msg #21187 Dated 14:06:35 09-30-91 21180 <--> 21464 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAX MAVEN Mebbe we can set up a brick wall backdrop for the comedic folk. You know you can buy cheap cardboard corrugated brick background paper from display houses. Wood be good for IBM to make the Comedy Club Mo' Authentic. Msg #21189 Dated 14:06:52 09-30-91 -> 21274 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: TV Ee;21180 Saw the Copperfield and Arsenio re-run last night, but didn't get my VCR up and running fast enuf. The new VCR I got has a difficult set up to start quick. My old BETA was a slam bam and it is up and taping right now. But this one has a slow loading system. boooo Too bad you don't know that stuff when you buy, or before you buy. . No I ain't going to buy Consumer magazine... foooooooooooooo ;+) Msg #21190 Dated 14:07:12 09-30-91 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: THANX Thanx for the interesting report on the MAVEN show at the Ice House. I think it has been there from the earliest days... before comedy clubs were popular. There is another place in Santa Monica from the same period, but I can't recall the name. And McCabe's Guitar store used to do shows of similar ilk. Whatever ilk means... bye for now... Msg #21191 Dated 14:25:04 09-30-91 21164 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: STRIPED KEYBOARD That's flattering, Marvin - I just don't know if its true! Msg #21193 Dated 14:22:27 09-30-91 21182 <--> 21201 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I don't have enough old stuff to look back to but those are a lot of nice ideas. Jim Piper, a fellow who frequently works the Castle does a slidingdie box routine but he has the die painted silver and does a patter about a UFO. Very funny guy. That gave me the idea for painting it like a postal jeep and the boss is trying to find the carrier taking lunch in the local bar or whatever when all along he was back at the office like he was supposed to be. There are tons of other ideas that can be adapted to other groups or situations. Just takes a little thought. Msg #21194 Dated 14:27:05 09-30-91 21167 <--> 21275 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: A MAGIC! SURPRISE! Great, Marvin! Will look forward to seeing you at the GENO MUNARI MAGIC! LUNCHEON on October 18th. Don't know yet if there will be buttons. Msg #21195 Dated 14:28:04 09-30-91 21168 <--> 21197 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CASTLE LECTURE After listening to Pete and trying a couple of things, Nathan settled on a production box effect - He displayed the outside and inside of an "empty" box, assurred the audience it was empty, and then produced a silk, a toy rabbit, and a 12-foot streamer from the box. It went over very well. Msg #21197 Dated 14:31:23 09-30-91 21195 <--> 21206 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CASTLE LECTURE Souns great! Were you able to video it? That will be priceless in the years to come. Msg #21198 Dated 14:32:10 09-30-91 21172 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN I'm glad to hear that you introduced yourself to Max. I'm really looking forward to the performance next Sunday. Msg #21199 Dated 14:34:30 09-30-91 21175 <--> 21276 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES Thanks, Stan, you may have restored my faith in MAGIC! Yes, there is lots to do! Msg #21200 Dated 14:39:48 09-30-91 21181 <--> 21462 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MOJO!!!! I think the idea of showing "Forgotten Magic" at the Music City Conclave is a GREAT ONE. Thanks for mentioning the two effects; both sound very interesting. Msg #21201 Dated 14:42:34 09-30-91 21182 <--> 21211 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! You know, you are making a MAJOR point here - there is no end to what can be done with methods and updates to them. I'm going thru Fitzkee's The Trick Brain right now and am amazed at some of the suggestions he makes. Thanks for the post. Msg #21203 Dated 14:46:03 09-30-91 21183 <--> 21212 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: EVEN MO MOJO!!! YO! NOW THAT - The Chinese Sticks stuff - IS BRILLIANT! Really great! I saw you do your sticks (not the plumbing ones) on the tapes (which went back today along with Nathan's SLC audition tape) and it was really good. The tassel in trousers bit is really neat! Guess you could also do it as a thread work job and be able to pull it up and down, no? Msg #21206 Dated 14:51:08 09-30-91 21197 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: CASTLE LECTURE Yes, fortunately, Nathan gave permission for his show to be preserved on video - he has alread seen it a couple of times. Sure wish those firetrucks hadn't roared by when they did! But he is eager to do it again. Have sent Biro an audition tape - I'd suggested Nathan for SLC, but now that I think on it, he is less likely to be in SLC than he is to be in Vegas for Desert Magic. Msg #21208 Dated 15:25:54 09-30-91 -> 21230 From: MARVIN STERN To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: SMPTE SMPTE is towards the end of Oct. For the first time in many years I will not be exhibiting. However I do have free admission passes, if you and your gang want them. Plenty of time, so let me know if and when you decide. SYSOP - same goes for you. Msg #21209 Dated 17:00:26 09-30-91 -> 21214 From: STAN LAKE To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X) Re: TOPIT My wife came home with an early Christmas present today. A new Tux! I wanted to have Ramon Galindo put a topit in and I was wondering if I should have the jacket one size larger than "just right" to compensate for loads such as a bottle of wine. The jacket I have a topit in right now is a tad small and with the bottle in the topit it is REALLY noticeable. (Maybe I should use something smaller than gallon jugs?) Seriously, do your jackets with topits have extra room tailored in to them? Thanks for any advice in advance! Msg #21210 Dated 17:20:06 09-30-91 -> 21224 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: I MAY VANISH It is possible I will not be seen or heard from for the rest of the year! Why? The UPS man arrived today with: The Stewart James book, Marlo's M.I.N.T. and the Collected works of Alex Elmsley. Good night Mrs. Kalabash, wherever you are. . Note: The Stewart James book is a mirage, right? Nobody can write that much stuff. Right? Tell me ... please... it ain't for real is it? Msg #21211 Dated 17:33:07 09-30-91 21201 <--> 21222 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Funny, I have the Fitzkey Trilogy (actually I bought much of the Fitzkee library when he died) but I have never really read much of 'his' stuff. Another book I need to check out is "Showmanship for Magician's" by Henning Nelms. . Funny, tho, showmanship, creativity, etc., I personally always believe you either have or do not have and cannot learn by reading, you only learn it by doing. I am probably wrong, however. Msg #21212 Dated 17:33:18 09-30-91 21203 <--> 21233 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: EVEN MO MOJO!!! YO! Don't make it complicated with thread work. Gravity, ONE OF OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL LAWS, is one of the best tools of magic. Msg #21214 Dated 17:33:28 09-30-91 21209 <--> 21228 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOPIT Read Geoffrey Buckingham's "It's Easier Than You Think" and you will see his principle of keeping LOADS on your body, where YOUR BODY IS THINNEST. If you can't hide it... you can't hide it... so you need to do something else. . Have you seen Bob Reed's way to produce the champagne bottle? It is done almost same as what Ammar is doing, but without any Topit, bag, holder, nuttin. He fooled the wheeeee outa me when he did it. . Ammar's is good too, both deserve study. Then there is the really olde version using a coke bottle on a thread. I forget the details, but it is a swing load. The gimmick was one of the really cleverly made caps you buy in liquor stores to put onto a bottle to keep the Fizz "in"... it has a little lever you flip to lock/unlock. The thread is attached to the lever. When you pop it open away goes the gaff. . Sam Berland had a great production I used to do of a full wine glass. There are others, by Joe Berg and one that was just held under your armpit (with cloth on bottom of the stemmed glass's base)... . Many ways to do the stuff. Keep thinkin! Msg #21215 Dated 17:39:24 09-30-91 From: MANNY WELTMAN To: ALL Re: THE PIG!!! Does anyone know why "The Pig" outside The Magic Castle is still there? I read they were going to take it down. But NO!! its still giving us the old oink, onik!!!!!!!!! Msg #21216 Dated 18:23:08 09-30-91 21034 <--> 21235 From: BURT CARPENTER To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS What started all this discussion of going to another show also was my original mssg #20765. This mssg talked about room rates at the Alladdin and a two for the price of one deal for guests to the magic show Alakazam with Kirby Van Burch. I have not heard much about him recently. Does anyone know how this show is? I enjoyed Melinda on my last visit to LV, and even though te show is enjoyable would kind of like to try something different. Thank you Geno for your VERY generous offer. I look forward to seeing you there as we could not connect on my last trip. BTW I think Melinda is one of the nicest and most approachable performers in LV. It is great how she personally visits with and thanks those that attended her show at the exit door. Msg #21222 Dated 19:48:10 09-30-91 21211 <--> 21227 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! There has never been a book entitled "Showmanship for Magician's" -- but if you mean "Showmanship for Magicians" (sans apostrophe) it is also by Fitzkee. The Nelms book is "Magic and Showmanship." Msg #21223 Dated 19:50:58 09-30-91 21157 <--> 21243 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL No, the Ice House is _not_ a "standard place with the brick back wall like almost all comedy clubs." For one thing, the stage has a back curtain. More importantly, the showroom is laid out differently than most other nightclubs; the audience is tiered, with most of the room employing counters rather than tables, which means that everyone is facing the stage. Also, the club has an extensive history, going back far longer than the average comedy club. This means, among other things, that it is far better organized than most. Probably the most significant result of this history is that because of its background the Ice House draws a particularly diverse demographic mix in its audience. Msg #21224 Dated 19:55:38 09-30-91 21210 <--> 21231 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH The Stewart James Book is excellent from my perspective. I have been studying it for a couple of weeks and just got to The Lovesick Tennis Ball which Gary Ouellet had asked me about. Also Gary suggested the 1002 Aces in the Elmsley book which I haven't looked at yet since I feel compelled to keep reading the James tome. Am glad to hear that you have gotten The First Fifty Years in your library so I won't have to carry "the brick" with me when I fly out next week. I have been having some fun with Marlo's _Cardician_ but don't have the Marlo In New Tops at this point. Remind me to get some info on the Chinese Sticks from you when I come out. Enjoy...... Msg #21226 Dated 20:33:55 09-30-91 21138 <--> 21248 From: STEVEN KRAMER To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS David, If you look in Sci Fi book stores sometimes they carry old magazines. You should be able to find them for very little money as the Sci Fi community is unaware of the Gaffus. Msg #21227 Dated 20:58:04 09-30-91 21211 <--> 21232 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I think there are many excellent pointers on showmanship and ideas that can spark your creativity that you can acquire by reading. To become proficient at anything, ESPECIALLY magic you have to DO it. I have read the showmanship books you mentioned and they gave me some good pointers and guidance. It is then up to me to put it into practice. If I hadn't read these books I would most likely spend my time perfecting many incorrect skills. Sure, some people are born showmen or have natural talent for the stage but for a common magic hobbyist such as myself I need to pay attention to the wisdom of those that learned things the hard way before I came along. Just reading the books won't make me a better performer but they give me a path to follow. Msg #21228 Dated 21:10:34 09-30-91 21214 <--> 21246 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOPIT I haven't seen or heard of Bob Reeds champagne bottle production. Where can I get more info on it? I was in the front row of the Parlour at the Castle when Michael Ammar produced a wine bottle without any cover. He was so close he nearly hit me in the face with it! I'm still convinced that was a demonstration of REAL magic! So as far as you know, it is not common practice to have any extra size tailored into jackets with topits? Msg #21230 Dated 22:47:16 09-30-91 21208 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: SMPTE Thanks, Marvin. If you do have a couple of extras SMPTE passes that are totally surplus to your needs, I would enjoy it. Msg #21231 Dated 22:52:29 09-30-91 21210 <--> 21237 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH The Stwewart James book is volume 1 - he is working now on volume 2. Msg #21232 Dated 22:53:57 09-30-91 21211 <--> 21242 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Stan has said it very well. But I will add that I find the Fitzkee books intensely interesting - Showmanship for Magicians, The Trick Brain, etc. He was a good writer and an outstanding thinker. Despite their age, the books reflect a lot that is very contemporary. Msg #21233 Dated 22:57:45 09-30-91 21212 <--> 21465 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: EVEN MO MOJO!!! YO! I will defer to you on this one - gravity is an excellent magical tool. Msg #21235 Dated 23:03:35 09-30-91 21216 <--> 21240 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS I have heard that Copperfield is in Vegas next week, but I don't know for sure - also don't know how impossible it would be to get tickets to his show - anyone know? Msg #21237 Dated 23:13:54 09-30-91 21231 <--> 21244 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: I MAY VANISH And 3. Msg #21240 Dated 23:14:49 09-30-91 21235 <--> 21241 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS I will find out. I will not find out if tickets available. All you do is go early call and pay the price. Or go late, make an excuse and tip the guy at th door $20.00 and get great seats. Or gamble big time at Caesars and get in via the Pit Boss, as you will be a high roller. But us Low Rollers just tip big. Msg #21241 Dated 23:16:08 09-30-91 21216 <--> 21251 From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS I think there is some kind of promotional deal at the Hacienda as well. Not sure. You might want to call the 1-800-634-6655 number and ask. Also, check with your travel agency there are lots of special deals. Msg #21242 Dated 23:16:14 09-30-91 21222 <--> 21245 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Picky, Picky, Picky... (seriously, thanks)... glad your show is going well at the Ice House. Msg #21243 Dated 23:16:19 09-30-91 21223 <--> 21254 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL I must have another place from way back when in mind. I actually only saw one show (Ricky's) at the Ice House... Hmmmm... now I wonder where it was? . Do you recall the Santa Monica club? I know Joan Rivers used to talk about it, that it was where she tried out material. Msg #21244 Dated 23:16:27 09-30-91 21224 <--> 21249 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I MAY VANISH I nearly got hurt today picking up the James book. I dropped it and bent it! ARgh............. It makes "Greater Magic" seem pale by comparison! Also got a stack of video's today too. Was all part of a swap for a couple of olde props with Joe Stevens. I can't afford to BUY the books they come so fast! Msg #21245 Dated 23:16:34 09-30-91 21227 <--> 21256 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Sounds like good info... and the line read here in the past about the public holding magicians in low light... I was just in Denver shooting an event. Everybody I know involved said, "boy you blew it -- you should have been here a day earlier, there was a party and they had a magician who was absolutely incredible. Did tricks that were unbelievable, found my card in his wallet... " etc., etc. Sad thing was nobody remembered his name!!!!!!!!!! But they all liked him and said he was great fun. So that is good. And they all thought highly of magic. Msg #21246 Dated 23:16:45 09-30-91 21228 <--> 21264 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOPIT I really don't know about tailoring to size... BUT if you are doing if for "serious" you should examine all aspects of dress. Style, look, FIT, color EVERY AVENUE OF THOUGHT... and if you are always going to do a production and use a Topit, then you probably need to think about the fit and HANG when loaded, not loaded? Have you thought about the STIFFNESS of the material? So the coat opens and hangs properly? Closes and keeps its shape? Is it reinforced so if you toss stuff in the outer garment area does not "tell"???? Bob Read... Hmmmm.... time out, will go to the bookshelf, be right back. In the book "Thanks to Pepys" 1973, Bob Read, London, England, you will find the complete work for the Champagne Bottle production. I assume the Ammar method is in print as well. But don't have ALL OF HIS MATERIAL TO HAND... I can't believe Read hasn't done a video... but looking thru all my lists don't see one. Anyway his bottle production is very similar to Ammar's but DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY TOPIT, HOLDER, NOTHING, JUST THE BOTTLE AND THE SILK. The misdirection is great. Thanks to Pepys is basically a Killer 12 Minute act that can be done in a party situation, literally surrounded. Bob works his very funny stuff in pubs. His "Penultimate Cups and Balls" is one of the funniest and most creative cups and balls routines ever! You will get the impression I am a fan of Read. You are right! Msg #21248 Dated 23:18:49 09-30-91 21226 <--> 21257 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STEVEN KRAMER (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Thanks, Steven. Will look for the mags, although I tend to avoid SF bookstores - can't afford 'em! Guess I should have written "Sci Fi," since folks who say "SF" are considered different, right? Msg #21249 Dated 23:20:59 09-30-91 21237 <--> 21253 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Right - and 3. I must admit, I don't own the James book - one look at it and I was too scared to buy it! I figured that the thing could turn lethal in an earthquake. Msg #21251 Dated 23:25:45 09-30-91 21240 <--> 21277 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS OK, you find out and we will see what can be done. I ain't gonna gamble big to do it though. (REF: Copperfield). Msg #21253 Dated 23:41:02 09-30-91 21249 <--> 21255 From: MAX MAVEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Nope - no volume 3. Instead, volume 2 will contain both the best of the published material after the fifty-year timeframe of the first book, plus a wealth of unpublished material and related contributions from other inventors. Allan Slaight and I have been working on this for quite some time already, and are not even at the mid-point. There are some extraordinary things forthcoming, I can promise you. Msg #21254 Dated 23:44:55 09-30-91 21243 <--> 21328 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL The Santa Monica club was called the Horn. It was a terrific venue, as it offered a varied line-up of more than comedy. They even had a house trio, a rarity within the past decade. I headlined it several times, and was sorry when it closed several years ago. The owners were a husband/wife team, who split up. The female half opened another club in Santa Monica which I worked only once during its short life (it closed after only a year or so), co-headlining with Dale Gonyea. (If you're familiar with him, you'll appreciate what a pleasure that week was.) Msg #21255 Dated 23:47:28 09-30-91 21253 <--> 21280 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Thanks for the info, Max. Volume 2 will obviously be a considerable contribution to the field, as was Volume 1. Personally, though, I think I'd appreciate a microfiche version! Or maybe a CD-ROM? - That would really be something! Msg #21256 Dated 23:55:05 09-30-91 21182 <--> 21259 From: EVAN KATZ To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! If Judge Thomas is confirmed to the Supreme Court, there is a good possibility that doing "The Mismade Flag" could throw you in jail! Msg #21257 Dated 0:01:29 10-01-91 21248 <--> 21262 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Wait -- the REGULAR edition of these magazines were force books? I'd LOVE to know the history behind that -- who was behind it and WHY? Msg #21259 Dated 0:05:33 10-01-91 21211 <--> 21263 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Pete, I'm gonna jump in here real quick, and say that as a professional entertainer in another field, I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. I started performing in front of audiences when I had only been playing guitar for 2 weeks. I was AWFUL! But I learned things to do that made me a pretty good entertainer. My brother had played in his room (Now now, let's keep it clean ) for 12 years before he ever ventured in front of an audience. Now, I am an accomplished musician with several different instruments and styles in my repotoir While my brother is every bit as good a musician as I am, I can do more for an audience a cappella than he. Nor does he understand the difference between being a good entertainer and being good at your craft. One helps the other, but they are not mutually exclusive. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #21260 Dated 0:08:20 10-01-91 21035 <--> 21282 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MANHATTAN Actually, I was in New York this past weekend as well! Spent most of my time in Queens, which I where I was reared, and also some time on Park Ave -- in the building that MCA is house, maybe in fact where your friend works! Couldn't help myself, and dragged my little sister to Tannen's. Bought the new Bannon book, which has a mucho tacky cover, but is chock full of incredibly wonderful stuff. Lots of repeats from his trio of lecture notes, which I've been coveting, but lots of new stuff. Wonderful things with cards, clearly explained. Check out Weber's recent review of the book (in M A G I C ?) and when you read the book, see if you agree with him on the "suprise" issue. Highly recommended. The Bannon book, that is -- not Manhattan. Manhattan is groovy. But it stinks. Literally. My sister calls it "The Big Dirty." I thought that was clever. Y'know. Msg #21261 Dated 0:11:52 10-01-91 21137 <--> 21266 From: EVAN KATZ To: T A WATERS (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Were these othewise genuine publications, T A? Authored by yourself? Tell me more, por favor. Msg #21262 Dated 0:15:33 10-01-91 21257 <--> 21278 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Yep, the REGULAR editions were force books! There have been a number of such books/magazines, which is why I'd like to get that list that T A mentioned. Notice that the issues of F&SF were about a year apart - so that for a three year period they would have been perfectly acceptable as "current" magazines. Guess we'll have to ask Steven if he knows the history of their creation. Msg #21263 Dated 0:34:42 10-01-91 21182 <--> 21288 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! When I was a wee tad I did the Mismade Flag -- but after a while I began to wonder whether it looked so good to be ramming a flag into a rolled-up paper, and pulling another one out the other end...so I stopped doing it. Socio-aesthetic considerations, even then... Msg #21264 Dated 0:39:33 10-01-91 21214 <--> 21332 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOPIT Another terrific production was the Carlo Glass From Newspaper -- BIG glass with liquid, no rubber cover, from paper. Msg #21266 Dated 0:46:17 10-01-91 21261 <--> 21419 From: T A WATERS To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Both were commercial paperbacks -- BLACKWOOD CULT was a gothic mystery with impossible crime, witchcraft, and a less-than-bright heroine (a requirement of the genre at that time). LOVE THAT SPY was an espionage novel with a lotta sex, or vice versa; it was written in a British style as a takeoff on Len Deighton -- doing that sort of thing was the way I amused myself while writing the deathless prose. Msg #21268 Dated 1:51:19 10-01-91 20951 <--> 21270 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Ok - I'll put it back in. . I'm referring to the msg # that was on the screen when the E msg was entered. Msg #21269 Dated 1:51:25 10-01-91 20983 <--> 21311 From: JERRY BURTON To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER Jack Parr's show that's where I got turned on to him. I'm a Calif. type and would have never known of him otherwise. Msg #21270 Dated 1:51:29 10-01-91 20988 <--> 21290 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS I've watched Scott for hours and could never figure what he was talking about, other than SEND $$$$$ or I'll have to quit TV. The hats and the rock gospel, plus him playing the sax - was always a real hoot. Msg #21271 Dated 1:51:34 10-01-91 20989 <- From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HEADERS Oh yea I remember seeing those goofy happy face things on Compuserve I hav'nt been on since I started MAGIC!, which has been most of this year. Msg #21274 Dated 1:51:50 10-01-91 21189 <- From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TV I also picked up the DC rerun, the big saw is a brilliant illusion. . I couldn't believe some of the audience starting to applaud half way thru (when he is also in half [pun intended]), it's kind of like when they applaud after each movement at a classical concert. . Just goes to prove we need more qualified audiences. He really blew them away at the end. Msg #21275 Dated 1:51:57 10-01-91 21194 <--> 21291 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: A MAGIC! SURPRISE! Count me in too David. I must have missed the msg announcing this, have been real busy lately and have missed my reading time. Msg #21276 Dated 1:52:00 10-01-91 21199 <--> 21292 From: JERRY BURTON To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES What happened to the catalog project ? Wasn't someone going to put together a sample review form so we could get an idea of what kind of database we are going to need ? I would be willing to give it a try, but there are a lot more people on here more qualified than I. . Some please put together something, there is so much material out there, this project could really help. Msg #21277 Dated 1:52:07 10-01-91 21216 <--> 21336 From: JERRY BURTON To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS I saw the Kirby Van Burch show in March while at DMS. It well worth it. This kid is really smooth, does some very good illusions, fast paced, no lulls or BS, strong MOJO. Msg #21278 Dated 3:03:50 10-01-91 21262 <--> 21286 From: MAX MAVEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS The background on the F&SF specials is hardly obscure: it was arranged by Richard Himber, who also arranged for a similar idea worked into a legitimate issue of Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine. Msg #21279 Dated 5:54:57 10-01-91 -> 21294 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: ALL Re: ERDNASE The latest issue of Opus has a review by David Britland of both Erdnase books. Of the Whaley/Busby tome, Britland states "...whilst fascinating it doesn't really provide any conclusive evidence that Erdnase might have been a card shark called Milton Franklin Andrews." And "Was Erdnase...Milton Franklin Andrews? I don't know and Busby and Whaley can only guess though the trail they take you on is an enjoyable one." In reference to the Ortiz book, "It's a joy to read, easy to follow, an excellent reference work and truly inspirational. That it makes Erdnase so accessible in a reasoned way is probably its chief asset." Charlie Msg #21280 Dated 7:29:57 10-01-91 21253 <--> 21281 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: I MAY VANISH I had heard that you and Allan Slaight were putting it all in one additional volume incorporating the next fifteen years plus the James File info and that it would be forthcoming around 1995. Don't rush. It'll take me that long to digest the information in Vol 1. Msg #21281 Dated 7:31:14 10-01-91 21255 <--> 21287 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Quit dreaming about CD-ROM and get The First Fifty Years of Stewart James. You need it. Msg #21282 Dated 7:31:18 10-01-91 21260 <--> 21418 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MANHATTAN Since you grew up in Queens have you visited Houdini's grave and memorial? I've wanted to visit it for years but haven't found anyone who knew where the cemetary is located. Msg #21286 Dated 7:31:37 10-01-91 21278 <--> 21293 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS May I point out that this info is readily available in _Richard Himber The Man and His Magic_ which was put out by Magico Magazine a few years ago. Msg #21287 Dated 7:31:43 10-01-91 21231 <--> 21289 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: I MAY VANISH I don't think Stewart James is working on the next book. It is Max Maven and Allen Slaight who are putting it together. Msg #21288 Dated 7:31:48 10-01-91 21232 <--> 21297 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I'd be interested to know if any of the really serious magical inventors actually use the system outlined in _The Trick Brain_!! Msg #21289 Dated 7:31:52 10-01-91 21244 <--> 21295 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH I know what you mean. I've been thinking about selling off my entire library and starting over. The copy of the James Book I got was a used one and well read already. Nice and broken in and easy to use. I'm tempted to start making notes in the margins. There is so much there and the historical data from the Jinx and Phoenix periods is priceless. I'm looking mucho 4ward to the Volume II when it is released. Soooo many new fbooks coming out right now but most will start showing up on the used lists in a couple of years and sinc e I buy em to use rather than collect it is fine with me. Msg #21290 Dated 7:46:15 10-01-91 21268 <--> 21304 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Right - I know you are referring to the msg # that was on the screen when the E was entered. SOmetimes it is not relevant, of course, but a lot of the time it gives an idea of how the new message arose. I wish that "Unthread" (on non-IMP! MAGIC!) did the same thing! Msg #21291 Dated 7:52:13 10-01-91 21275 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: A MAGIC! SURPRISE! Great! I now have you on the list for the GENO MUNARI luncheon at the Castle on October 18th. The original announcement was in message #21096. Msg #21292 Dated 7:53:29 10-01-91 21276 <--> 21335 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES I think we were going to set the catalog project up as a section, so that those who were interested could freely discuss it. Sections will be installed soon. Msg #21293 Dated 7:55:47 10-01-91 21278 <--> 21320 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Thanks, Max. Was Richard Himber involved with F&SF magazine and Ellery Queen's? And, overall, about how many force books/magazine issue have been produced in, say, the last ten years? Msg #21294 Dated 8:02:54 10-01-91 21279 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: ERDNASE Thanks for the info on the Britland reviews, Charlie. TMWWE is an enjoyable book, but it does seem to leave some open questions about Andrews/Erdnase, which is probably all that can be expected to happen. Someone commented on here about delays when ordering things from Busby and I must say, I ordered some things last Monday and the order arrived complete on Thursday. Msg #21295 Dated 8:09:24 10-01-91 21281 <--> 21296 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Yeah, I probably do need the James book, but I'm drowning in magic books now and James doesn't look like a liferaft! There is no question that it is an excellecnt book. Msg #21296 Dated 8:13:32 10-01-91 21287 <--> 21325 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I MAY VANISH True - "They" rather than "he." But if I only miss two letters per message, I ain't doin' too bad. Msg #21297 Dated 8:15:07 10-01-91 21288 <--> 21329 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! It would be impossible for me to say if any of the "serious magical inventors" use the Fitzkee approach. You'd have to ask the experts. I find his writing style to be very thought provoking. Msg #21299 Dated 8:19:34 10-01-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: 25,000! Check your "You are caller #" message that appears at the beginning of your session (if you have the feature turned on) - we will be hitting the twenty-five thousandth logon to MAGIC! sometime today! Msg #21301 Dated 10:13:35 10-01-91 20992 <--> 21302 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW For some reason (I don't know why) this leads me to wonder...are there frogs in Hawaii? I honestly don't remember. Msg #21302 Dated 10:13:45 10-01-91 20993 <--> 21314 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Unless you are a LOT older than you look, I would surmise that it was more probably your Great, great, great, great uncle. Actually, I thought the Mongol hordes invented the game and first played it with the heads of their captured opponents. Msg #21303 Dated 10:13:57 10-01-91 20994 <--> 21349 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT Mein Gott, doncha know they make most EVERYthing in Virginia, or at least invented it before maybe letting someone else make it. They don't make a lot of maple surple (sic) but in Highland County (in the mountains) they do make enough to have a festival each year. Msg #21304 Dated 10:14:09 10-01-91 20995 <--> 21334 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Germans are well known for simply adding on to not only titles, but for most any word...and not too imaginative either. They basically only say things like "Good Morning" and "thank you" a couple of ways. Even I could survive on my awful German while visiting there. Msg #21305 Dated 10:14:22 10-01-91 20996 <--> 21306 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS I would suppose one could screen out the unnecessary overhead. Msg #21306 Dated 10:14:28 10-01-91 20997 <--> 21307 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS I didn't think you would get alarmed. Msg #21308 Dated 10:14:48 10-01-91 20999 <--> 21354 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: PILTDOWN MAGIC I would suspect it far more likely that our roots arose in a number of locations within a relatively short period of time. Politics has always been very much in the funding of science. I remember when sputnik went up and everyone went nuts! . Vulgaris might have had to await the invention of either the rubber chicken or the lampshade. Msg #21310 Dated 10:15:17 10-01-91 21002 <--> 21356 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Some of them should pay us! . Your frogs are on the end of your tape if you are still looking for them. Msg #21311 Dated 10:15:30 10-01-91 21003 <--> 21357 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER I will try to do so one evening at home. It is a huge volume and is most enjoyable. I will post the specifics later for you. Give me a person or place you want looked up. Msg #21312 Dated 10:15:40 10-01-91 21011 <--> 21342 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: HOUDINI? That's too bad. I had hoped it was indeed Houdini's great nephew. I am visiting with the office staff next month and plan to discuss this entire sponsorship thing with them at some length. I appreciate your passing this information on to me. Otherwise, I would think I was most likely in cohoots with ghosts. Msg #21313 Dated 10:15:55 10-01-91 21017 <--> 21317 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IBM I will put together a packet of stuff for you...tell you what...you send me a copy of the signed contracts for the first night's show and I will send you enough forms to cover them AND the next night's bill as well. Did JN mention DC has mentioned April to SLC. Talk to him ASAP. Msg #21314 Dated 10:16:09 10-01-91 21019 <--> 21341 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW From Virginia hogs. Msg #21315 Dated 10:16:15 10-01-91 21020 <--> 21351 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: VIDEOS Well...I guess you could call it the blues... ...the moaning blues at least. Msg #21316 Dated 10:16:23 10-01-91 21022 <- From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEW COIN IDEA Just want to make sure we don't force it into a venue not well suited for such a show as we have done in the past. Better to change the nature of the show than to put it where it won't work. Msg #21317 Dated 10:16:33 10-01-91 21044 <--> 21318 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IBM Same here bro...I borrowed the Yorkman's pickemup truck this weekend and we almost were gonna come over to see you but I thought you were still in Noo Yawk. Give Scotty a call as he does want to come over there before you leave. letme know if you need numbers. Msg #21318 Dated 10:16:45 10-01-91 21045 <--> 21323 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IBM Sounds good...bring all info on your roots and we will visit the library while there. I have their program if you are interested in doing your family tree....or in your case maybe it is a family kudzu. Msg #21320 Dated 10:17:37 10-01-91 21070 <--> 21324 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Don't know about ordinary books, but Kenny Klosterman's excellent contribution was a recipe book for breads that certainly is one of the most innocent of the lot. Msg #21321 Dated 10:17:48 10-01-91 21071 <- From: BILL WELLS To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: DR. JAKS Yes...that is it. They ignited a HUGE pile of flashpaper on Dukey's grave. Isn't there something about where the money to purchase the paper came from? The accidental wrapping of the instruction sheets (was it around the container for his ashes?) was regarded by Abb and Karrell as Duke's final act of retribution. Msg #21322 Dated 10:18:04 10-01-91 21076 <- From: BILL WELLS To: T A WATERS (X) Re: THE T A WATERS VIDEO Homo Magus may have fallen in the pit... as some of his present day descendants are known to do. Msg #21323 Dated 10:19:26 10-01-91 21018 <--> 21343 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IBM You got to be kidding! Do you have any idea what its like to talk to callers about the convention? Msg #21324 Dated 10:52:55 10-01-91 21248 <--> 21344 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS SF bookstores are in "San Francisco" -- right? Msg #21325 Dated 10:52:59 10-01-91 21249 <--> 21327 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: I MAY VANISH The key to handling the James book is to leave it on the floor and read it when you are not practicing your stand up act. Msg #21327 Dated 10:53:08 10-01-91 21253 <--> 21337 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: I MAY VANISH I would hope that the first volume will be read in time to start on volume 2. It will take a lot of time. James was incredible and his VARIETY of material is even more amazing. Like how many people do things with funnels and milk bottles AND cards... etc... great stuff. Msg #21328 Dated 10:53:15 10-01-91 21254 <--> 21461 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL Thanks for the info.... yep 'twas the Horn. I didn't know it had vanished... too bad... Msg #21329 Dated 10:53:20 10-01-91 21256 <--> 21330 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Well at least in jail the food would be steady and you would have a new crowd to watch the card tricks. Msg #21330 Dated 10:53:25 10-01-91 21259 <--> 21331 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Gee, if you need a manager check in with the Tabman! Msg #21331 Dated 10:53:29 10-01-91 21263 <--> 21338 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! A move, if you can call it that... that I came up with was to hold the tube vertically, much like the Statue of Liberty holding the Torch... a shake of the tube and the silk would pop up out of the top, looking much like a flame.... just a touch.... but added to the "effectiveness of the presentation"... Msg #21332 Dated 10:53:36 10-01-91 21264 <--> 21405 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: TOPIT Ah yes... Carlo. Wasn't he a pal of Charles Reynolds? I understand lots of Carlo's stuff was VERY GOOD... I think I have something of his in print... Msg #21334 Dated 10:53:46 10-01-91 21270 <--> 21350 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Scott is a definte certified WACKO... sure miss him... Well, there is Rush on the radio???? Msg #21335 Dated 10:53:51 10-01-91 21276 <--> 21406 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES Just put up a draft of what YOU think it should be. Then others can modify or maybe you are smarter than you think... Msg #21336 Dated 10:53:56 10-01-91 21277 <--> 21390 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS I have not seen KVB, but have heard is not sooooo goooooood???? Someday will have to check out for mine self. ;+) Msg #21337 Dated 10:54:01 10-01-91 21280 <--> 21339 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I MAY VANISH "Digest Vol 1." NO NO NO taabbbbyyyy you aren't supposed to devour the book. Or are you? Hmmmmm... burp ;+) Msg #21338 Dated 10:54:06 10-01-91 21288 <--> 21340 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I guess I will have to read it (Trick Brain) and find out what all the fuss is about. . Read ELMSLEY'S opening chapter and he nails the needs of magic very well. Msg #21339 Dated 10:54:14 10-01-91 21289 <--> 21361 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Yeah, the used piles... wait 'til you get over to Byron's... you will think you are in book heaven! Msg #21340 Dated 10:54:19 10-01-91 21297 <--> 21363 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I find that it is almost impossible to invent stuff in a vacuum. I do my best stuff in "session" with others... kicking things back and forth. Sometimes when reading effects, or watching an act I say, "hey that would be better if....." or "There's got to be a more direct way or simpler gaff to do THAT!" Msg #21341 Dated 10:54:26 10-01-91 21301 <--> 21347 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW The Hawaiian frogs have grass skirts. Msg #21342 Dated 10:54:30 10-01-91 21312 <--> 21388 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: HOUDINI? While at it, they better think about "sponsors" signing app's for contestants at FISM... there were many acts so bad I commented, "Next time we should require the person that SIGNED their application have to stand up on stage off to one side so we could see them!" Msg #21343 Dated 10:54:37 10-01-91 21313 <--> 21345 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IBM I don't get what you mean when you say "DC has mentioned APRIL (?) to SLC." WHAT IS APRIL GOT TO DO WITH IT? Msg #21344 Dated 10:54:42 10-01-91 21320 <--> 21359 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Yeah, but are the breads any good? Whatdya do "force" pumpernickle? Msg #21345 Dated 10:54:46 10-01-91 21323 <--> 21368 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IBM Give 'em my number and I will do one liners for 'em. Hah... Msg #21346 Dated 13:13:59 10-01-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: 25,000TH CALLER You ever been at one of those raffles where the drawn ticket turns out to be that of the person who draws the tickets? You know, the ones that are NOT done by magi and that presumably aren't gaffed? Well, er, uh, mumble, stumble, I just logged on and made the 25,000th logon to MAGIC! Er, uh, sorry about that! Fortunately, there was no prize! If it is any consolation, the 24,999th call was placed by MAX MAVEN. Msg #21347 Dated 13:17:01 10-01-91 21301 <--> 21348 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I believe that there are frogs in Hawaii, but, to tell the truth, I haven't checked on the frog population there. Frogs do exist on the other island in the Pacific though, so I see no reason they wouldn't be in Hawaii. Msg #21348 Dated 13:18:48 10-01-91 21302 <--> 21378 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW OK, so he was a couple of "greats" back in the family line. His name was possibly Ghengis Cohen. Msg #21349 Dated 13:20:42 10-01-91 21303 <--> 21688 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT Don't they also make apple candy in Virginia? Seems to me that I remember that particular delicacy - cut into rectangles and coated with confectioner's sugar. Msg #21350 Dated 13:22:20 10-01-91 21304 <--> 21458 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Many languages have run-on sentances, German has run-on words. Msg #21351 Dated 13:23:13 10-01-91 21305 <--> 21352 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS "Screen" out the unnecessary overhead. OK, I give up, you win. There is no way I could top that. Msg #21352 Dated 13:24:00 10-01-91 21306 <--> 21353 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS You don't think I could get alarmed? Watch me. Msg #21354 Dated 13:26:24 10-01-91 21308 <--> 21693 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: PILTDOWN MAGIC Multiple roots has always confused me - we will have to talk it out when we see each other as I'm sure that you can clear up a number of points that have always confused me - particularly concerning the primeval soup. Seriously must remember to talk about it. Msg #21356 Dated 13:31:02 10-01-91 21310 <--> 21379 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG It is interesting that my frongs are at the end of the tape, 'cause that's pretty close to where I am - at the end of my rope! Biro sent me some frog pics - he put 'em in the beginning of his comedy club performance! Msg #21357 Dated 13:33:38 10-01-91 21311 <--> 21467 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER "Huge Volume"? The one I saw appeared to be SEVERAL volumes - all pretty thick paperbacks - unless they somehow broke the Encyc. up into smaller "volumes" for the paperback issue. How about looking up one of my favorite towns - NINETY-SIX, South Carolina? Msg #21360 Dated 13:40:01 10-01-91 21324 <--> 21371 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Right, Biro-san, you is gettin' it - SF bookstores are in San Francisco, LA bookstores is in Lost Angeles, and S&M bookstores is in New York City. Msg #21361 Dated 13:42:06 10-01-91 21325 <--> 21372 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH The James book should come with wheels. With the proper paint job, it could look like a ghetto blaster, or possibly a VolksWagen. One of the things I really enjoyed was T A's comment in Genii that the Newman book, at $165, worked out to 21-cents per trick. I wonder what the ratio is on James? Msg #21363 Dated 13:47:54 10-01-91 21340 <--> 21374 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! There is a GREAT film by Saul Bass titled "Why Man Creates." We should maybe show it at a magic con someday. In it there is a presentation of the steps in creating something. Beautifully done. Basically, I agree with you - magic stuff is best worked on in kicking things around (hmmm... you don't think maybe I started MAGIC! with that in mind, do you?), but it helps to have thunk up some concepts first. Msg #21368 Dated 14:08:23 10-01-91 21317 <--> 21369 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IBM I'll givem a call re: coming over this weekend. I'll be here til monday morning when I go west for 10 days and then back here to move. Trying to wait it out to see if state will buy this place at right money to rejoin it with the springs next door. Hope ya'll can make it over this weekend. Msg #21369 Dated 14:08:30 10-01-91 21318 <--> 21683 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IBM The roots of my raisin' run deep. Hank Williams, Jr. Msg #21371 Dated 14:08:44 10-01-91 21320 <--> 21377 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Gloria has been thinking about putting a cook book together. That's a great idea about Klosterman's bread force book. When she gets ready to do it I will see what I can do to make it a force book. Msg #21372 Dated 14:08:50 10-01-91 21325 <--> 21373 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH I've tried to find a comfortable way to read the James Book but it isn't easy. Try sitting in a chair with the book on a pillow. Msg #21373 Dated 14:08:55 10-01-91 21337 <--> 21375 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH I reference you to my "book meal" breakfast of over a year ago, thoug h the older books taste kind of moldy. Msg #21374 Dated 14:08:59 10-01-91 21338 <--> 21376 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! The methods for inventiveness prescribed in _The Trick Brain_ don't give me much in the way of inspiration. Maybe the ideas work for some people though and I was wondering if any of the real guys use his methods. ELMSLEY's opening chapter is very good. Agreed. Msg #21375 Dated 14:09:06 10-01-91 21339 <--> 21381 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Definately looking 4ward to the By Walker visit while up on Walnut Creek. Just got the Thayer 7S from Byron this morning. It is in beautiful shape and 1/6 the price that Andy Greget in Berwyn, PA was asking for the same book. Thanks for calling from Byron's the other day. I understand that he (By) has the Thayer Table Catalog whi ch I've never even seen, much less heard of, and I DO want to see tha one. Msg #21376 Dated 14:09:14 10-01-91 21340 <--> 21389 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! That's me too. I don't know if I've ever had an idea in a vacuum. In reading through the Berg Book I already had several ideas just from seeing what he had done. Guys like Berg, James, Maven, Waters, Harbin, ETC provide much inspiration in the reading and seeing. Makes it a lot of FUN. Msg #21377 Dated 15:28:31 10-01-91 21371 <--> 21380 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS A book on sausage making would be a force book. Will look forward to Gloria's book though - we have one on Crock Pot Cookery, but not one on Crack Shot Cookery. Msg #21378 Dated 16:46:54 10-01-91 21347 <--> 21395 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW No mention of Frogs on video from you... howcum? Msg #21379 Dated 16:46:58 10-01-91 21356 <--> 21396 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Aha, you did seeeeee the leepin' buggers on my tape.... har.... Msg #21380 Dated 16:47:02 10-01-91 21371 <--> 21383 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS You just make the food so tasty you don't got to force nobody to eat nuttin', honey... Msg #21381 Dated 16:47:07 10-01-91 21372 <--> 21382 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I MAY VANISH So far getting an well spoken blonde to read the James book out loud seems to be working well. Msg #21382 Dated 16:47:12 10-01-91 21375 <--> 21386 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I MAY VANISH How about the Thayer "chairs" catalog? Msg #21383 Dated 16:47:16 10-01-91 21377 <--> 21384 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS WOK THIS WAY... has had its first Official Entry by me. I call it Egg Foo You! (or Yoo). Ingredients: Price Club frozen chicken tenders (4-6 pieces) Green Giant Mushroom pieces (in the jar). Cooked Rice (1.5 cups). One Jumbo Egg. Cooking Oil (4 Tablespoonfulls?). Pepper (to taste). Soy Sauce (2.6 dashes). . To do it. (First, bottom palm any card). Heat Oil in a WOK. Msg #21384 Dated 17:01:07 10-01-91 21377 <--> 21385 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS That's a great title and I have just the photo for the cover. Remind me again when we do it, but will still make it a force book as I like the idea and would also be a way to actually sell a few copies of it. Will make sure the recipe for Brunswick Stew is included as well as crab cakes her way which I have been chowing on past two daze. Msg #21385 Dated 17:01:15 10-01-91 21380 <--> 21391 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS That part is no problem as my waist line can attest to. Msg #21386 Dated 17:01:18 10-01-91 21381 <--> 21387 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH What are you doing while the blonde is reading, Biro-san? Looking at the pictures? Msg #21387 Dated 17:01:23 10-01-91 21382 <--> 21429 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Actually would like to find a copy of the "table" catalog if one exists somewhere. I have the Thayer #3 (Magical Woodcraft) and it cost 75 skins to get it. I don't even want to know what a #1 would cost, though Floyd Thayer is one of my idols and just seeing #1 to know where he started would be inspirational. Byron sez he has at least one of each so meybe get a look. Hmmmmm. Msg #21388 Dated 17:59:08 10-01-91 21312 <--> 21682 From: MANNY WELTMAN To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: HOUDINI? Anything I can help you with? Msg #21389 Dated 18:14:58 10-01-91 21211 <--> 21415 From: BURT CARPENTER To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Pete, you really should not pass over the Fitzke trilogy. There is more real magic there than I have ever read in anything else. NO TRICKS just real magic. About showmanship, plot developement, use of music etc. Back when we were doing the top ten list of must have magic books these were at the top of my list. Msg #21390 Dated 18:18:49 10-01-91 21235 <--> 21400 From: BURT CARPENTER To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS Seeing another show might be nice but is by no means mandatory. We all would probably have just as good a time having dinner together and talking magic for a few hours before Lance's show. Msg #21391 Dated 18:36:18 10-01-91 21293 <--> 21394 From: MAX MAVEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Himber was not involved with those magazines, but he was connected with some who were. In the case of EQMM, the contact was Clayton Rawson. How many force books have been produced in the last decade? I'd say between ten and twenty. Msg #21392 Dated 18:55:16 10-01-91 -> 21401 From: DOUG SMITH To: ALL Re: LAS VEGAS Considering taking some of family (youngest is 29) to LV for four days between dec 22-29. a) are the shows dark before Christmas? Defintely interested in lance b. and melinda. Don't care to stand in line for S and R. b) any suggestions on rooms. Like to be on strip. stayed at Sands last three times and liked it. Suggestions for reasonable rates but nice accomodations without being in back lot as may bring mother 75 years and healthy 79 years boyfriend. Thanks. Msg #21394 Dated 19:41:09 10-01-91 21391 <--> 21397 From: STEVEN KRAMER To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Max, What others are you aware of that make up that 10 to 20? Msg #21395 Dated 19:58:22 10-01-91 21378 <--> 21434 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW You mean I didn't mention the Frogs that were on your video? Or that I didn't mention the Frogs that weren't on my video? Please clarify. Msg #21396 Dated 19:59:36 10-01-91 21379 <--> 21435 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Yep - indeed I saw the little buggers! I thought that you were setting me up - that you were gonna blame me for their being there - so I wrote it in a note to you, put it in the box, mailed it off, and hurried out of the post office to take cover. Msg #21397 Dated 20:01:50 10-01-91 21383 <--> 21398 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Something tells me that WOK THIS WAY is gonna be one heck of a book! I love the start! Especially the "First, bottom palm any card" bit. But I am wondering - are "chicken tenders" the part of the chicken that is right behind the engine? Msg #21398 Dated 20:03:14 10-01-91 21384 <--> 21399 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS You could force "tomatoe" or something like that. Almost hate to see the Brunswick Stew recipe go public - it is TOOOOOO GOOOOOD. If Gloria has got a recipe for Crab Cakes, please fax it to me - I ain't got thyme to wait for the book. Msg #21399 Dated 20:04:47 10-01-91 21391 <--> 21403 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Thank you for the info, Max. Do you have the Kueth list that T A mentioned? Msg #21400 Dated 20:06:28 10-01-91 21390 <--> 21437 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS OK, your message is duly noted. I feel much the same way, but the idea of one more show was rather tempting. Msg #21401 Dated 20:45:56 10-01-91 21392 <--> 21432 From: TABBY CRABB To: DOUG SMITH (X) Re: LAS VEGAS I really enjoy staying at the Trop. They have been good for me. Dunno the show skeds though. Msg #21403 Dated 20:46:05 10-01-91 21398 <--> 21409 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Will try to bring you the crab cake recipe. They are great and Glo doesn't use eggs which MAKE ME SICK. Remind me tomorrow or next day. Trying to get all table orders out before coming west so will be out of hot water and into the COOOOOL. Msg #21405 Dated 21:14:56 10-01-91 21246 <--> 21423 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOPIT Thanks mucho for all of the helpful info. I'll scout around for the book "Thanks to Pepys". TA, if you're listening, does that sound like something our library might have? If so, I'll make an appointment with you after inventory is completed. Msg #21406 Dated 21:18:15 10-01-91 21276 <--> 21440 From: STAN LAKE To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES I don't know anything about databases but I could put together a list of what I would like to see in a form or maybe what a sample form might look like. If all of us who were interested would do so then we could pick and choose the best ideas. Msg #21407 Dated 21:42:11 10-01-91 20607 <--> 21441 From: SCOTT CRAM To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT If you're hanging around the Bay Are tomorrow, Paul Diamond is giving a dealer lecture tomorrow at the Concord Hilton, at 7:30. And that is no illusion (you can believe, believe......) Msg #21409 Dated 22:42:40 10-01-91 21403 <--> 21416 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Don't forget the Crab Cakes recipe! As to COOOOOL - I know that you mean psychologically, but at least for Southern California my advice is to definitely DRESS COOL - it was 102.2+ deg. F. here today. Don't know if Castle lets anyone in with jacket, tie and shorts, but we may try. Msg #21412 Dated 23:12:54 10-01-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: BOOKLIST.TXT BURT CARPENTER provides all of us with a way to save money on new books and videos and to help support MAGIC! at the same time. In the last few days, he and I have had some problems posting his latest list. These problems have now been fixed and the official, current list of books that he is offering is in the MAGIC! Files Area as BOOKLIST.TXT. For those who have downloaded this file prior to tonite, it now contains some additionas and corrections, so you may want to download it again. In it are the details on how you save money by ordering books from Burt, as well as details on how MAGIC! is supported by purchasing thru him. Again, the correct file is now BOOKLIST.TXT. Msg #21415 Dated 0:03:00 10-02-91 21330 <--> 21417 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Maybe I'll do that. Heay Tabby! Need a ballad singer!?! Enjoy! Kevin E. Curtin Msg #21416 Dated 0:17:21 10-02-91 21360 <--> 21420 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS What would that be? Suburbs and Manhattan? Enjoy! Kevin Msg #21417 Dated 0:28:01 10-02-91 21363 <--> 21427 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! The same Saul Bass that does/did all the movie titles? Msg #21418 Dated 0:28:48 10-02-91 21282 <--> 21426 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MANHATTAN I never visited the grave, and I'm not at all sure where it is. Think I'll leave a message for Manny and ask him -- next time I'm in, I'll check it out. I remember a rumor about it being in a little tiny cemetery which was RIGHT near the old house, but it was probably kid's tales, you know. Msg #21419 Dated 0:30:14 10-02-91 21266 <--> 21425 From: EVAN KATZ To: T A WATERS (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS At what point did you "fake" the books? I assume you authored them without consideration as to the force, then somehow worked it in. Curious from a writer's point of view how (or when) you'd approach that. Msg #21420 Dated 0:31:15 10-02-91 21262 <--> 21428 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Yes, let's ask Steven the history of their creation. I have NO idea how someone would go about faking a real issue of a magazine! HOW!? Msg #21422 Dated 0:41:30 10-02-91 -> 21506 From: EVAN KATZ To: MANNY WELTMAN (X) Re: HOUDINI BURIED Manny-- Where in Queens is Houdini buried? Lemme know. -Evan Msg #21423 Dated 0:44:41 10-02-91 21332 <--> 21424 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOPIT Carlo had some nice stuff and did a very good show. He is generally believed to have invented the rubber dove. Msg #21424 Dated 0:45:28 10-02-91 21405 <--> 21439 From: T A WATERS To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOPIT Inventory of library proper has been completed; I do believe we have the Read book, but give me a call for appointment and I will check at the time. Msg #21425 Dated 0:48:44 10-02-91 21419 <- From: T A WATERS To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS No -- I worked in the force words as I wrote. Since they occurred in the first sentence, it wasn't much of a problem. Also in the one case -- read -- it could be used both present and past tense. Msg #21426 Dated 0:50:54 10-02-91 21418 <--> 21450 From: T A WATERS To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MANHATTAN I believe it is at Machpelah Cemetery. Msg #21427 Dated 0:52:00 10-02-91 21417 <--> 21431 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! And designed the United Airlines logos... etc etc etc.... Msg #21428 Dated 0:53:31 10-02-91 21384 <--> 21433 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS You got to get tenderer Crab Cakes so you don't gwine need to chaw so looooooooooooooong.... yo Msg #21429 Dated 0:53:38 10-02-91 21386 <--> 21430 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Listening, mon, listening.... yar.... Msg #21430 Dated 0:53:42 10-02-91 21387 <--> 21452 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Sure and while I hold him down you fill the car with Thayer cats assalogs... har... ;+) Msg #21431 Dated 0:53:47 10-02-91 21389 <--> 21443 From: PETE BIRO To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I got em and read em so long ago it is time to look again. Altho my new pile is standing awful tall (even without the Stewart James booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo k. Msg #21432 Dated 0:53:57 10-02-91 21392 <--> 21454 From: PETE BIRO To: DOUG SMITH (X) Re: LAS VEGAS The Hacienda has just been remodeled. For cheap, you can also try the Excalibur. Very Family oriented, on the strip and walking distance to Lance's show. The SLOWEST WEEK IN THE YEAR in Las Vegas is B E T W E E N Christmas and New Years... but the busiest night of the year is New Years Eve! Ask Geno Munari, here online for advice... he lives there, used to be Casino Boss and has all the inside scoop on deals. I think he has a way to get comped in the Files section here on MAGIC! Msg #21433 Dated 0:54:07 10-02-91 21394 <--> 21436 From: PETE BIRO To: STEVEN KRAMER (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS You might want to query the used book purveyors... like H&R here online and others vai post orfice... to see what kind of Forcing books are about and available. Msg #21434 Dated 0:54:15 10-02-91 21395 <--> 21494 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW You are the mindreader you figger the fwogs... Msg #21435 Dated 0:54:19 10-02-91 21396 <--> 21457 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG You won't believe how I got the footage of the Frogs... I was just previewing the tapes before I mailed them and hit a wrong button on the remote and the VCR turned off and the Discovery Channel was on and there the froggies were... F***icating... tsk... I hit R and lost a few minutes of my pricless performing but... what the hey... for the art of froggin... Msg #21436 Dated 0:54:27 10-02-91 21397 <--> 21438 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Chicken Tenders are male breasts. Msg #21437 Dated 0:54:32 10-02-91 21400 <--> 21445 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS If you (or we) don't go see another show on that day Fi Fo Fum... Didn't Geno offer Melinda's Show? I may be stuck in a client meetin but who knows? Msg #21438 Dated 0:54:38 10-02-91 21403 <--> 21442 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Paul Diamond did his big giant demo here tonite... got you a hand flasher and me some olde books he had in his piles o' stuff. He gave me a killer for my ring book. He fooled the wee wee out of me with it... Also his self tying knot in rope is a killer, a killer.... And his bill switch makes you want to kick anybody you see trying to switch a bill with a thumb tip. Msg #21439 Dated 0:54:48 10-02-91 21405 <--> 21466 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOPIT It is a small booklet, about 6 x 9 and comb bound (which I hate). You might check Stevens as he was , or is , big on Read. Msg #21440 Dated 0:54:53 10-02-91 21406 <- From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAGIC! MESSAGES Go for it. Msg #21441 Dated 0:54:57 10-02-91 21407 <--> 21456 From: PETE BIRO To: SCOTT CRAM (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT I saw Paul tonite in Oakland. I have a press assn. meeting to go to (I think) or is it Thursday? No, Thursday is PCAM meeting in San Jose... hmmmm.... if I can get by after my press meeting, at the Oakland Aiport area... I will drop in. He had a book I forgot to buy in his pile of stuff... "The Last Heirophant"... got to come by to get it... Paul INVITED ME as his guest... since I saw him tonite... and spent a ton.... arhg.... Msg #21442 Dated 0:55:06 10-02-91 21409 <--> 21446 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Shorts are OK at the Castle, as long as they reach down to your shoes. Msg #21443 Dated 0:55:11 10-02-91 21415 <--> 21449 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! If you want to work Nashville, Tabman is YOUR man... Msg #21445 Dated 1:29:21 10-02-91 21390 <--> 21499 From: JERRY BURTON To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS I get into Vegas at 8 pm and plan to go directly to the Hacienda. Let's try to meet for dinner about 8:30, anyone interested ? Msg #21446 Dated 1:29:24 10-02-91 21383 <--> 21448 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS In little Saigon the best selling book, "50 ways to wok your dog". . In case you don't know Garden Grove has an area officially called Little Saigon (the 22 freeway even has signs for it). Msg #21447 Dated 1:41:03 10-02-91 -> 21501 From: BARRY GITELSON To: SYSOP Re: DISKMAGIC Aloha....just read your file about diskmagic....but didn't see a price. It ran off the edge of the screen in a few places so I must have missed it. I am interested...anything to help you keep going. Though I was sad to hear through a grapevine that you were soon going to charge to use the bbs....I hope that it isnt too much for a poor magi in hawaii. We have a gent named Les Freed coming to give a lecture next weekend... he was giving one on Oahu and gave us a call. None of us have ever heard of him....we are a bunch a coountry hicks...but we are interested in learning from whoever is in the islands. Anyway ...let me know how much and get back to you. Msg #21448 Dated 6:05:16 10-02-91 21409 <--> 21455 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS I can't believe it is THAT HOT in S. Cal and I can't believe you guys measure temp in degree tenths. We round it off to nearest five in So. MD. Msg #21449 Dated 6:05:22 10-02-91 21415 <--> 21463 From: TABBY CRABB To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Are you really fulltime singer? Msg #21450 Dated 6:05:26 10-02-91 21418 <--> 21470 From: TABBY CRABB To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MANHATTAN I have the area marked on a map of Long Island by Howie Schwarzman who has visited the grave site. I even know the name of the cemetary but last time I went looking I tried to find it from a description in an old magic magazine (The Sphinx, I think). This was before I got Howie to mark my map, so now I can get within a few blocks so should be able to find it. Msg #21452 Dated 6:05:37 10-02-91 21429 <--> 21453 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Not a whole lot of pictures in the book anyway. Msg #21453 Dated 6:05:41 10-02-91 21430 <--> 21471 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: I MAY VANISH Gonna be a good visit, I can feel it. Msg #21454 Dated 6:05:45 10-02-91 21432 <--> 21472 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LAS VEGAS Way to get cmped is sit down at BJ table and pull out a roll of 100s. Msg #21455 Dated 6:05:50 10-02-91 21438 <--> 21468 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Great re: hand flasher. had a guy call me from down the road. An ex preacher who is now a traveling salesman. Wanted to know if I could get him a "TT". I said, "Wha?" He said, "you know a "T Tip." He wanted to do the vanishing hankie for the receptionists trying to get sales stuff going. Then he wanted to come down and hang out. He had tried a couple years ago when he was preaching to get me to come hear him preach and now he's vanishing hankies. Hang out? No way. Suggested he visit Al's Magic Shop in DC for the real work on the "TT." Msg #21456 Dated 6:06:00 10-02-91 21441 <--> 21474 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT There's some good stuff in "The Last Heirophant." If you can't find remind me and I'll mail you my copy. Msg #21457 Dated 7:12:19 10-02-91 21152 <--> 21459 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Why am I doin' monte at SLC? Did a joke go by me or something? Msg #21458 Dated 7:14:10 10-02-91 21154 <--> 21476 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Come in world! WC = W.C. Fields Godfrey Daniels = Fields' word to use in place of G--damn Question = since you were talking about substitutes for mf, and Fields was so successful in dreaming up great substitutes in his day, I advanced the question of "wonder what he would have come up with for MF? Am I getting too deep on this??? Msg #21459 Dated 7:14:34 10-02-91 21155 <--> 21475 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Is that a new chinese dish? Msg #21461 Dated 7:14:58 10-02-91 21179 <- From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DENVER DOWNHILL Makes me think of the spring house in the side of a hill (kind of like a cave) where blocks of ice were cut up in the winter and put so they lasted into the spring. The spring water was cold and there were no bricks and no comedians...only watermelons getting cold. Msg #21462 Dated 7:15:11 10-02-91 21181 <- From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MOJO!!!! Would you please stop tipping my act!! Some of us have been around long enough to have bought this stuff when it first came out. Msg #21463 Dated 7:15:21 10-02-91 21182 <--> 21482 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Stop! You are still doing it!! I do all that stuff!! talk about the new stuff...NOT the old stuff! Msg #21464 Dated 7:15:32 10-02-91 21187 <--> 21485 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAX MAVEN Thats really great Biro... now we have to hire a mason for the comedy club show...and you thought stage hands were expensive!! Msg #21465 Dated 7:15:41 10-02-91 21212 <--> 21478 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: EVEN MO MOJO!!! YO! There is no gravity! The Earth sucks!! Msg #21466 Dated 7:15:49 10-02-91 21214 <--> 21479 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOPIT Don't forget Tom Mullica's great method of producing a wine bottle from behind the bar with the extra egg bag. It is right up there with Bob Read's version in that it requires nothing special and is just done! Msg #21467 Dated 7:16:02 10-02-91 21269 <--> 21696 From: BILL WELLS To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER Brother Dave took care of even you folks in California when he made the Earth a southern planet. The Parr appearances got him in the big time, then he became out of style and was on the way to staging a come back of sorts before his death. His records are still good stuff! Msg #21468 Dated 9:33:12 10-02-91 21446 <--> 21469 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS I have beeeeeeeeeeeeen there.... remember I used to live in Hermosa Beach! Har.... ;+) Msg #21469 Dated 9:33:16 10-02-91 21448 <--> 21473 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS We measure degrees to the nearest "is it daylight?" Msg #21470 Dated 9:33:20 10-02-91 21450 <--> 21497 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MANHATTAN I heard HH got out, tho... sooooooooooooo.... Msg #21471 Dated 9:33:24 10-02-91 21453 <--> 21509 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: I MAY VANISH It is comin' fast and will be gone too sooooooooooooooooooooooon. Msg #21472 Dated 9:33:28 10-02-91 21454 <--> 21510 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LAS VEGAS I dig... a roll of C-Notes 'el do it every time.... Msg #21473 Dated 9:33:32 10-02-91 21455 <--> 21480 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Paul Diamond showed the greatest get set for vanishing cigarette move with a TT. Instead of poking and leaving with thumb, you put Hanky OVER the thumb withit on... Then turn the lot upside down!!!!!!!! soooooo eeassyyyy Msg #21474 Dated 9:33:39 10-02-91 21456 <--> 21512 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT Paul had 3 or 4 and I couldn't rememeber if I had it or not.. So will go by his lecture tonite (it is closer than place went to last nite) and get one. Msg #21475 Dated 9:33:45 10-02-91 21457 <--> 21484 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG You ain't, 'tis the fwog doing 3 fwog monte... with the Hopzinser handling.... KneeDeep! ;+) Msg #21476 Dated 9:33:49 10-02-91 21458 <--> 21483 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS You got so deep you sunk. er left the T out of sunk.... Did you get my message? Steve Baker 0, IBM 1. IE: IBM WON Msg #21478 Dated 9:34:00 10-02-91 21465 <--> 21799 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: EVEN MO MOJO!!! YO! I was hoping you would keep THAT secret. Sucks, eh??? Msg #21479 Dated 9:34:04 10-02-91 21466 <--> 21558 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TOPIT I forgot Top Mullica's method. But I do know Glenn Haywoods mode to produce 3 glasses of whiskey from an egg bag. 2 are mouth to mouth on one rubber ball. Msg #21480 Dated 9:34:10 10-02-91 21448 <--> 21487 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS I can't believe I didn't do what I just did looooooooooong ago. I finally got the nerve up to call THE MAN at Chrysler Corp., in Detroit and he just said, "hey no problem, you need a new transmission, just fax me the chassis number and an address and we will ship you one!" Arrggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh Msg #21482 Dated 9:34:41 10-02-91 21449 <--> 21486 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Tab, you trying to open the Curtin? ;+) Msg #21483 Dated 9:34:45 10-02-91 21458 <--> 21513 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS I never noticed what Fields "ever said" only watched him do his great Juggling stuff.... tsk.... Msg #21484 Dated 9:34:50 10-02-91 21459 <--> 21495 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Egg Foo You? Heck no it ain't Chinese... it is Bironeasian. Half Hungarian and the other half Organic. (I didn't mentione the F**G L***S in the recipe, however). Use of 'em -- at the right degree of "aging" makes the food SELF STIRRING! Msg #21485 Dated 9:34:58 10-02-91 21464 <--> 21502 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MAX MAVEN We could wait 'til next time we convene in San Diego and slip a mexican bricklayer across the border. Msg #21486 Dated 9:53:45 10-02-91 21417 <--> 21515 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Now that I'm not sure of. Probably the same Saul Bass. "Why Man Creates" was done in the 60's, I think. Anyway, it is a great film concerning the creative process. Msg #21487 Dated 9:56:22 10-02-91 21416 <--> 21488 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Pretty good, Kevin! Yeah, suburbs and Manhattan. Msg #21488 Dated 9:57:55 10-02-91 21420 <--> 21489 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS They aren't fake real issues, they ARE real issues! Simply put together by someone who knew what they were doing. True force books can be very handy because there is no need for any sort of elaborate gaff, in that the real book itself is the gaff. There are, however, a lot of ways to accomplish the same thing by other means. Msg #21489 Dated 10:03:02 10-02-91 21436 <--> 21491 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Pete - there is NO WAY I'm going to get into an entendre as big as "Chicken tenders are male breasts." Msg #21490 Dated 10:05:49 10-02-91 -> 21520 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BILL SWITCH Pete - I don't agree with you about the Diamond bill switch being superior to the Kozlowski bill switch. Yes, it is VERY GOOD, but the bill does have to be out of sight for at least a moment, where it isn't EVER out of sight in the Kozlowski. Also, Paul has got to keep the switched out bill palmed, so a good worker can appear cleaner with the Kozlowski. Msg #21491 Dated 10:11:20 10-02-91 21442 <--> 21493 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Last time I was at the Castle I saw a couple of women arriving wearing skorts - those sort of redesigned culottes/hot pants. Don't know if they got in, but I suspect that they did. So it is possible to wear shorts with a jacket and enter the Castle, but you gotta wear high heels with 'em. Msg #21493 Dated 10:15:08 10-02-91 21448 <--> 21507 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS In SoCal we are used to decimal points - remember, we measure our rainfall that way - matter of fact, rainfall is reported here in HUNDRETHS of an inch, when it bothers to rain at all. And they just cut everyone's water allotment again, so bring a couple gallons with you. By the way, CompuServe Magazine for October has whole article on tracing geneological roots in Maryland. Msg #21494 Dated 10:25:17 10-02-91 21434 <--> 21681 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW So far, I is just the screenreader - gee, I wonder if we should form a group for MAGIC! lurkers - call 'em the "Screenreader's Guild"? I must admit, however, that I am getting interested in this mentalism stuff. It does have a LOT of audience appeal in today's society. But I'm focusing on doing only precog stuff - so maybe I knew your Frogs would be there, but I couldn't figure 'em out once I'd seen 'em? Msg #21495 Dated 10:28:27 10-02-91 21435 <--> 21498 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG See -- it was precog stuff! Took a lot of work for me to get Discovery Channel to show 'em at the right time though. It was great; but I was panicked you were going to blame me for it. One thing I did notice is that you don't WRITE PROTECT your tapes - in this case it worked to an advantage, but I went ahead and protected 'em for you. Biro stuff is too rare and valuable to mess up. You got package yet? Msg #21497 Dated 10:33:22 10-02-91 21450 <--> 21508 From: EVAN KATZ To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MANHATTAN If you let me know some landmarks on your map near the site, I should be able to figure where it is. Msg #21498 Dated 10:42:33 10-02-91 21457 <--> 21522 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG You started doin' three card monte back around message #20883 when I told you to have FAITH 'cause you was doin' a con in _SLC_. Personally, knowin' the local history, I'd do a bird act, using seagulls. Msg #21499 Dated 10:44:57 10-02-91 21437 <--> 21504 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS I think that with all the arrivals and departures being at different times for the MAGIC! get together on Oct. 9th in Vegas, that some of us won't be able to make an earlier show prior to Lance. Will try to get some info and get whole thing wrapped up today. ===END OF MAGIC-63===
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