MAGIC! - 65 The following was compiled from the magician's message section of MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! is an electronic communications system for magicians. It may be accessed from any personal computer with a modem by dialing US 818-896-7450. New registrants must leave a comment with their name, address, phone number and a brief resume of their magic background to be considered for membership. The material herein should be treated as confidentially as other magic information. Copyright 1991, 1992 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved. Msg #22000 Dated 12:09:56 10-06-91 -> 22003 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE I have a hole in office window now from guys playing golf last week. Msg #22001 Dated 12:10:03 10-06-91 -> 22004 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET Dunnmo how the magazine slipped through the web but Rudy in next town down the line got his same day as did others I know. Good to be first for a change. Msg #22003 Dated 12:13:19 10-06-91 22000 <--> 22010 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE Yeah, I know about the hole in the window. Sure glad it wasn't me! One of my most embarrasing moments was when I stood up at a dinner party once, hit my head on the replica Tiffany glass on the chandellier and the glass shattered! Fortunately, the main course wasn't on the table at the time. Msg #22004 Dated 12:15:31 10-06-91 22001 <--> 22009 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: SWAP MEET Hmmm... Maybe I'll have to call Stan's office. Last issue of Inside Magic got lost in the P. O. too. Address seemed OK, but maybe the zip code has gotten scrambled or something. Msg #22007 Dated 12:28:46 10-06-91 -> 22022 From: SCOTT CRAM To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT Gee... Busy? I also found it to be very easy to spend mucho dinero. Have fun at the PCAM meeting! Msg #22009 Dated 17:35:26 10-06-91 -> 22015 From: PETE BIRO To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: SWAP MEET Biro: 16 Los Banos Ct., Walnut Creek, CA 94598-3101 Phone/FAX 510 932-7696 I know the Magic Hotel is next door and not so expensive. Seabrooke and others always stay there. But if you want to go upscale trhy the Hollywood Roosevelt or the Holiday Inn, Hollywood (both about 2 blocks away). Roosevelt has lotsa tradition and has been re-done. Msg #22010 Dated 17:35:36 10-06-91 -> 22011 From: PETE BIRO To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: OFF-LINE Geno. You need to download IMP! or RDMAGIC, whatever it is called these days. I use it with Procomm Plus and it is all done by going in for about 1 - 2 minutes, read and reply offline and the reply time is under 1 minute usually. You just need to do a couple of weird things in your set up which Jerry Burton will tell you if you ask him, or Lichtman, here on MAGIC! Msg #22011 Dated 17:35:47 10-06-91 -> 22013 From: PETE BIRO To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: OFF-LINE GENO, Tabby and I (and others) coming into Vegas Wednesday, 9th. I will have my laptop with IMP! installed so you can see it work. I will be staying at the Gold Coast through Sunday mid day... Going to see Lance Wed. night last show. Got clients and work to do much of time but can spring some loose time... will callyou. Msg #22012 Dated 17:35:58 10-06-91 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: FUGITIVE COINS I wuz just kiddin' anyhooo... it seems the Re: on the screens is almost always WRONG... cuz we use IMP and reply changing the subjecto alla time... and not changin' the header... tsk ;+) Msg #22013 Dated 17:36:06 10-06-91 -> 22017 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE You didn't play the Golf Course and you never did take the walk on the olde Ox Cart trail or.... see the aviary! Tsk. You ain't been there dude.... tsk.... ;+) Msg #22014 Dated 17:36:14 10-06-91 -> 22027 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: FUGITIVE COINS Thanks mucho.... will get a try on it one o these days... have just unearthed about a quarter of a million old instruction sheets and am trying to figure out what to do with them (as far as a filing system)... If only I would put this much effort into money making projects! hah ;+) Msg #22015 Dated 17:36:24 10-06-91 -> 22020 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET Yoo mean they din't bring no copeez to da swapmeat? Msg #22017 Dated 17:36:44 10-06-91 -> 22019 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE Good Idea Tablario, I will make a disk for Geno toooooooo and if one of us forgets, the other probably will as well. Msg #22019 Dated 17:37:03 10-06-91 22000 <--> 22021 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE Yeah, but if you checked the broken glass is on the OUTSIDE. They were playing through.... YOUR OFFICE! Msg #22020 Dated 17:37:10 10-06-91 22001 <--> 22025 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: SWAP MEET It is my understanding the new postal system is set to deliver mail in alphabetical order. Hence Crabb befo' Lichtman. Gee, where's mine? Msg #22021 Dated 17:37:18 10-06-91 22003 <--> 22026 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE I don't know what this number gets you... but saw it on the TV screen but didn't hear the message... the number is (on next line) 1-800-922-FROG Msg #22022 Dated 17:37:27 10-06-91 22007 <--> 22620 From: PETE BIRO To: SCOTT CRAM (X) Re: MAGIC NIGHT I got to the Diamond Lecture in Concord after all had gone and he and Andy were packing the stuff up. We wound up going to Lenny's, er Denny's for a Nosh... whatever that means? My Nosh is what I usually call pie and coffee. Msg #22023 Dated 18:03:54 10-06-91 -> 22032 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Is that like zen and the art of Motorcycle maitenance? Sorry, I just took my wife to Disneyland for our animaversery on the motorcycle, and I guess I got bikes on the brain. My voice is gone, so I had to use sign language (ASL) all day, and my wife doesn't unnerstand so good. Kind of frustrating, but kind of fun. I do arc and gas welding. I also use brass for brazing (I am, to this day, amazed at how strong brazing is) and use a turbo torch for soldering. Riverside is not so bad except that it is HOT and it is BROWN. Some one of these days whyn MY ship comes in, I'll move to either northern California, or Washington. I've never been to Tennesee, but am told that it is a beautiful, green place. One of my favorite performers lives there (I guess that narrows it down to the thousands). her name is Nanci Griffith. All these messages, and I've never asked what instrument(s) you play? Guess this cold is going to my brain, as I am rambling all over the place. Maybe it is because I'm writing this during "normal" hours, and I can only think after midnight. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22024 Dated 18:14:27 10-06-91 -> 22036 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CHANGED HEADER Pete, After studying copywrite law, I have found that even if YOU use the ARgh, then you must put your tm Pe. Biro on it or you could lose your copywrite. A word to the wise.... Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22025 Dated 19:04:51 10-06-91 22009 <--> 22031 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET Roosevelt is a wonderful hotel. I would have stayed there but didn't want to have far to walk, etc. Yowsuh!! Msg #22026 Dated 19:04:58 10-06-91 22011 <--> 22028 From: TABBY CRABB To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: OFF-LINE Likewise, Pete's msg 22011. I will be at Trop on Wed/Thus night and then over with Pete at Gold Cst Fri/Sat. Hope 2 C U. Msg #22027 Dated 19:05:05 10-06-91 22014 <--> 22038 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FUGITIVE COINS When I getz 2 Ur house, we make resolution to PUT THIS MUCH WORK into making MUCHO DINERO!!! MUCHO, MUCHO DINERO!!!! Msg #22028 Dated 19:05:12 10-06-91 22017 <--> 22030 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE I have run outa time and ain't finished yet. Have not packed, etc. Am going nuts but made six tables past three days. Have sawdust even in my sox and underwear. Gotta shower. Oh man. Brrrrrr. Msg #22030 Dated 19:05:29 10-06-91 22019 <--> 22037 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE Actually, the ball came through the window and hit the filing cabinet next to the desk. Bryan (BP guy) was working at the computer and it scared the sh*t outa him. Have a tannen flyer taped over the hole to keep the skeeters outside. Msg #22031 Dated 19:05:38 10-06-91 22020 <--> 22034 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET That's good news about alphabeticacal delivery. Now am glad my name is CRABB. Msg #22032 Dated 19:05:45 10-06-91 22023 <--> 22047 From: TABBY CRABB To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I used to ride bikes and have played the piano, pedal steel, banjo, guitar, and sweet potatoe . Don't play much anymore but will if I am forced into it. It's something I can do. Was in Urban Cowboy Band and played shows with Willie, Waylon, etc, etc. I usta be a cowboy. Har! My brain is gone but will maybe come back ina day or so. Have flown into Chino Airport in old fighter plane a coupla times with some buddies who fly stunts in airshows. Usta haunt Prado Range with my wife when she was world champ rifle goddess so know your neck of the forest well. Riverside beats Chino anyday. Say, if your ship comes in soon, you oughta buy Pete Biro's spread up north Calif. It is a paradisical spot complete with everything including an abalone diving cove on the Pacific and a private airstrip, etc. Go for it. Enjoying it!! tabman El Tab de Nuevo DeCarlo. Msg #22033 Dated 20:51:17 10-06-91 -> 22042 From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: PETE BIRO Attended Mark Wilson's lecture at the Castle this afternoon. He screened some early videos of his TV stuff, and guess who he pointed out in the background audience in a scene from his "Magic Circus" series? You guessed it....a young PB! Msg #22034 Dated 21:16:44 10-06-91 -> 22049 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET I, too, have seen no M A G I C in my mailbox yet. Lemme know when you get yours. Msg #22035 Dated 21:20:34 10-06-91 -> 22043 From: EVAN KATZ To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: HUSWOY...YOWSUH SPELT BAC I was coming back from Palm Springs. Trying to get out of THERE as quickly as possible. Actually, not really. Was trying to get away from the woman in the car with me, I guess, looking back on it. Didn't work. Got away eventually, though. Msg #22036 Dated 22:06:16 10-06-91 22024 <--> 22053 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CHANGED HEADER Yo. Argh is out... OY, or ;+) is in....har Msg #22037 Dated 22:06:22 10-06-91 22026 <--> 22039 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE u sent messge 2 me, shudda bin jino? Msg #22038 Dated 22:06:28 10-06-91 22027 <--> 22070 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FUGITIVE COINS You are writing over "Fugitive Coins" ... so I looooooked it upp! It IS INDEED in the Roth Lecture notes. Boy have i bin findin' stuf fo' you to dig. wowzo... Byron suggests Next Sunday we go straight from Airport to his piles and piles of piles and piles of boox. Msg #22039 Dated 22:06:37 10-06-91 22028 <--> 22041 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE Dust under where? Msg #22041 Dated 22:06:50 10-06-91 22030 <--> 22057 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE I found the Spina Letter that I once published. He thought it would show his side of a story (in good light). He thot I was nice guy to print it... but any person with a modicum (that word is for Wells and the Frog) of brains read it and realized what a dipshit he was er, is.... ;+) Msg #22042 Dated 22:07:00 10-06-91 22033 <--> 22142 From: PETE BIRO To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X) Re: PETE BIRO What the heck is a "young PB!"? argh argharhgargh Msg #22043 Dated 22:07:06 10-06-91 22035 <--> 22052 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: HUSWOY...YOWSUH SPELT BAC What? Was she in the back seat running toward you? Wha? Huh? ;+) Msg #22044 Dated 22:07:11 10-06-91 -> 22048 From: PETE BIRO To: E Re: DAVID LICHTMAN y Ee;22035 Byron Walker, an expert in such matters, says, "The Court HAS David Copperfield's bid of $2.2 Million. And only Ettiene MIGHT have the money to up it. If he is really interested. Ettiene already has a great deal of the stuff. And Ricky would probably NOT be the curator for David, although he wants to be." Byron also said he really wished that they would have given it all to the Swann Galleries, or some other reputable Auction House so that LOTS OF PEOPLE could each get a "piece" of the collection... spread it out. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Msg #22045 Dated 22:07:25 10-06-91 -> 22073 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: DUSTY DRAWERS Ee;22035 When you get here a friend of mine has a compressor and we can get the sawdust out of your drawers! Be easy, be cool and don't get a Hernia if you bring the James booooooook (it is too big for just 1 "o's".... OH?)... Lesseee, when you read this East Coast time, I'll still be sawin' zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's.... then you is gone. Have a wonderful trip my good man. Tired of Goodun' so will be mo' formal. Hargh? . Jeeeeeeeeezus.... Otto Wessely has got a fax... it's like giving a loaded canon to an idiot kid. I can't believe his phone bill if he is sending the same quantity of silly stuff to others as he is sending me. His kids foot prints, Hand Prints, Mooning, Notes, gags.... argh... . DON'T ANYBODY SEND HIM MAD FAX OR I AM OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Msg #22046 Dated 22:41:34 10-06-91 -> 22074 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BOOKS ET AL Sonata went out Friday. Looks excellent, can't wait to get into it. While you are visiting Jeff, ask him why if he knows about my subscription to the Th. Have fun, wish I was going! Also, the Fugitive Coins and what you call the Quarter Fooler are one and the same. Later. Charlie Msg #22047 Dated 22:45:25 10-06-91 22023 <--> 22050 From: T A WATERS To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Funny you should mention Nanci Griffith; I had never heard of her until a week or so ago when she was on the Today show -- she absolutely knocked me out; great voice, great writing, great singing. It always amazes me when I "discover" someone that good who's been around for a while. Msg #22048 Dated 22:47:54 10-06-91 22044 <--> 22061 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DAVID LICHTMAN Yeah, but it wouldna been "a lot of people" -- it would have been two or three, and none of them in this country. Msg #22049 Dated 22:59:26 10-06-91 -> 22055 From: DANTE LARSEN To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: SWAP MEET Geno, the place to stay is at the Highland Gardens 1 block from the Castle. Say you'll be working there. The Castle has the number. Msg #22050 Dated 23:04:04 10-06-91 22032 <--> 22051 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! My father has a Beech Bonanza "V" tail that he periodically lets me fly, (I am unlicensed), so the spread sounds WONDERFUL! Maybe I'll rob a couple (dozen) banks, and force that ship in! I had a friend (Jas Welton) who used to be chief controller at Chino. I've never flown any of the fighters, but would LOVE to try it! It must have been a kick. I've never been diving up north, but periodically, we'll fly over to Catalina for a day of scuba. Great fun! Do you play music for your own enjoyment? Your message sounded almost like you were glad to be through with playing, but didn't make clear if you meant professionally, or entirely. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22051 Dated 23:08:27 10-06-91 22047 <--> 22075 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! A couple of years back, I got home from a trip to New York, and the woman I was seeing at the time gave me tickets to a Everly Brothers concert. She seemed all sorts of pleased with herself. It was only later that I found out that Nanci Griffith was opening for the show! I got home from the show, and wrote her out a little ditty. I then found out that she was going to be at McCabes's guitar shop in Santa Monica the next night. I called, and they said they were SOLD OUT! I asked if I could bring a tape for her, and they said "Sure." I got there, and the guy said, "Why don't you wait in line, and see if anyone is willing to sell one of their tickets?" So I did. While I was in line, three people came through asking everyone for tickets. There were none. At McCabe's they handle charges interestingly. They go through the line, and hand out the tickets, while you are in line. After this procedure, I went through line and asked if anyone had a ticket to sell. One guy said "Sure." I said "How much?" He said, "Well, I paid 6 dollars for it, so if you have 6 dollars..." I told him that I thought he should make a little off of the transaction, but he was adament. I got inside (general admission) and found a single chair right at the front row. After the concer (GREAT!) I gave her the tape, and had a fairly lengthy chat. Life can be good! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22052 Dated 23:15:07 10-06-91 22035 <--> 22080 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: HUSWOY...YOWSUH SPELT BAC Yeah, I've been to Palm Springs. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22053 Dated 23:15:38 10-06-91 22036 <--> 22060 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CHANGED HEADER Now wait a minute, I've been using "Oy Gevalt" for years, and all I get is funnly looks. I'm not even Jewish. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22055 Dated 0:24:19 10-07-91 22015 <--> 22056 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET If there were copies of M A G I C at the swap meet, I sure didn't see 'em! Sure hope my copy is here by Monday. Otherwise I'll have to call and ask about it. Msg #22056 Dated 0:26:15 10-07-91 22034 <--> 22082 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: SWAP MEET Well, at least now I feel like I'm not alone in not getting my copy yet. Still, we is pretty close to the M A G I C office and El Tab and Rudy is pretty far away. Will let you know when mine arrives. Msg #22057 Dated 0:29:06 10-07-91 22013 <--> 22058 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE You are right - I never played the Hotel DeCarlo golf course and I never did see the aviary - I guess one had to stay at Tab's place more than a couple of days to see it all. I understand he's gonna have GreyLine organize the tours of the new place. Msg #22058 Dated 0:32:27 10-07-91 22021 <--> 22069 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE THANKS! That number - 1-800-922-FROG - leads to some pretty neat people who are helping kids to stop disecting frogs in school classrooms! Think I'll send them a big donation! Msg #22060 Dated 0:44:26 10-07-91 22024 <--> 22081 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CHANGED HEADER Actually, Pete only has to put (tm) [no Biro] after his first use of Argh! (tm - Biro) in any individual message. If he uses it a second time in the same message he does not need to repeat the (tm). The rest of us have to indicate that "Argh! is a trademark of Pete Biro," but, again, only in its first appearance in any individual message. Msg #22061 Dated 0:48:23 10-07-91 22044 <--> 22087 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DAVID LICHTMAN There is a current high bid of 2.2 Million on the Mulholland Library. I am not prepared to acknowledge that it is David's. But, if you want to up the bid you must do so in increments of $50,000. And you must bring bank certified checks for 10% to the court. So you have to have a check for $225,000 in your hands and additional $5,000 checks ready so that each time the bid is upped you can hand one over. In theory, if two bidders wanted to fight it out, the one who had one additional $50,000 certified check in his hands would win. Msg #22062 Dated 0:54:46 10-07-91 -> 22166 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE MAX MAVEN TAKES NO PRISONERS AT THE ICE HOUSE As scheduled, a contingent of MAGIC! members went to the Ice House in Pasadena this evening to attend the Max Maven performance. Now I haven't always been known around here as being particularly kind to Max, so let me give my summmary up front - MAX KILLED, Max was superb! The set began with the usual comedy club hacks - the M.C. and the opener were both what one would expect with lines like "Why should the men always have to put the seat down? Why can't the women learn to put it up?" Yeah, real talent. Then Max was introduced. When he first arrived on stage, there were some titters over his outre appearance. But the moment Max took the mic, he was totally in control. I think he could have had the audience pretending to be pigeons and eating cracked corn out of the palm of his hand. Why? Timing and delivery. From the moment he began to speak, the audience knew that they weren't watching one more moron in a t-shirt (Max wore a black suit with just enough touches about it - pleated sleeves, etc. - to moderate the otherwise severe appearance of the black). Throughout his performance the crowd around me was gasping in awe and saying things like "I don't believe it!." Loud sustained applause were very frequent, and, at the close, the audience went BANANAS. There were even fans posing with Max after the show! Yeah, he did good stuff, but, more than that, he brought the audience UP to his level (well, OK, not to his level, but to a cut above where they were used to being). And it was Max and a lot of preparation and a lot of attention to detail that made it happen. Sure, there were a couple of bits that exploited some embarrasement of audience members, but they were always thanked and always given a warm round of applause. And Max also made sure that everyone connected with the show - from servers to managers - got recognized as well. Afterwards I heard people asking each other how he did things, and some of 'em offering explainations - "When the girl had her knuckles on his back, he could feel her signalling him" - but I'm sure that the "how did he do it" conversations continued into the cars and as more recall was amassed the theories probably fell apart. So, if anyone in the Los Angeles area wants to see a great show for a few bucks ($7.50 plus 2 drink minimum), head for the Ice House in Pasadena next Sunday (October 13, 1991) and see Max at his last scheduled performance in this series. Oh, you have to make reservations first - 818-577-1894. Msg #22069 Dated 5:48:41 10-07-91 22037 <--> 22071 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE Oh yeah. It's not me, it's that IMP. Msg #22070 Dated 5:48:47 10-07-91 22038 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FUGITIVE COINS Sounds good to me re: airport to By's digs. Whatever U wanna do is fine with me. Msg #22071 Dated 5:48:54 10-07-91 22039 <--> 22072 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE You're a funny guy. I'm outa here in a few minutes for the airport fo the trip west. See you in a couple. Msg #22072 Dated 5:49:01 10-07-91 22041 <--> 22076 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE You are a nice guy. And it was especially nice of you to print that letter from TS. Msg #22073 Dated 5:49:08 10-07-91 22045 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DUSTY DRAWERS Yes sir. I have about decided to carrrrrry the James tome with me as I have many hours in airports etc and it is very good reading. Should be out of here in an hour and a half heading up to DCA to catch the blue eye. Msg #22074 Dated 5:49:17 10-07-91 22046 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: BOOKS ET AL Wish you going out too Charlie. Great about Sonata, it will be here to give me something to do while I'm not moving when I get home. Pete probably has it so I'll have to avoid looking at it while in Walnut Creek. Msg #22075 Dated 5:49:25 10-07-91 22050 <--> 22078 From: TABBY CRABB To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I only miss playing when I hear a group or singer who knocks me out and then I think, "Hey, I'll dust off my chops and go get a gig with this guy!" Speaking of robbing banks, I used to work with a guy - his friends called him "Roach" - (bass player) who at age 17 drove the getaway car in a bank job down in Texas. He said he had the shortest crime career ever. They made it 1 1/2 blocks down the street before JL (John Law) bagged them. He did three years in Huntsville Prison before he got parolled. I discovered that when I was playing music all the time I got so wrapped up in it to take care of business so when I became a music business person I played less and businessed more. Does that make sense? Msg #22076 Dated 5:49:40 10-07-91 22057 <--> 22083 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE Since Conway Twitty has Twitty City (tours of his house, watch Conway mow the lawn, etc) maybe I'll have.....oh forget it, I am too much a hermit to wanna be bothered by the lumpen. Msg #22078 Dated 8:56:12 10-07-91 22047 <--> 22109 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Have you yet discovered Michael Boulton? Msg #22080 Dated 8:56:35 10-07-91 22052 <--> 22187 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: HUSWOY...YOWSUH SPELT BAC I didn't know nuttin about Palm Springs... so I was out at the Riverside Raceway (now a shopping mall?) -- and some friends from the East said, "Let's go to Palm Springs for lunch." We got out there and it was so hot I said "Nuts to this and quickly turned the car around and left!" Msg #22081 Dated 8:56:45 10-07-91 22053 <--> 22086 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CHANGED HEADER Funnly looks. That's interesting. What language is Funnly from? Oy, without the Gevalt is a hole different woid. Msg #22082 Dated 8:56:53 10-07-91 22055 <--> 22118 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET I guess you didn't see much there... Byron said it was one of the greatest Swap Meets they have ever had! Maria DID find him and did give the package to By... Tab and I will see him Sunday next.... . OH... phone rang moments ago and I may have to do a photo shoot on Wednesday afternoon in the desert up at Vegas... (Good $$$)... So, mebbe you could get Geno to pick you up and go to GBC and do the daytime stuff with him. Do you have his phone no? If not lem me know -- I got his Cellular No. That way when I finish the job can locate youse guys?????? Too bad it is good $$$, I would rather play!!!!!!! Msg #22083 Dated 8:57:09 10-07-91 22057 <--> 22084 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE I certainly hope so. If you go WITHOUT A PLAN you can miss soooooo much. Msg #22084 Dated 8:57:16 10-07-91 22058 <--> 22088 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE Did you know that already, or did you call the Frogline? Msg #22086 Dated 8:57:32 10-07-91 22060 <--> 22181 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CHANGED HEADER (tm) Msg #22087 Dated 8:57:38 10-07-91 22061 <--> 22121 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: DAVID LICHTMAN If both have several $50K checks, plus mo... it would be fun to watch!!!!! I sure hope it doesn't go offshore! Msg #22088 Dated 8:57:45 10-07-91 22076 <--> 22114 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE I can see the signs now... "Only five miles to TABMANOR.... (tm) (Reg. U.S. Pat. Off) (C) (Pat Pending) (SIC) Ad infinitum, and Illigitimi non Carburundum <-----my favorite Msg #22089 Dated 8:57:53 10-07-91 -> 22273 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: SPINA LETTER Ee;22076 Here is the text that I mentioned to Tabby of the letter from Tony Spina. Dated Dec. 12, 1975. It was from Spina in response to an editorial I wrote about Tannen's (Spina owner) stealing material from Ken Brooke. . Dear Pete: Just received your PETE'S LEAFLET dated Dec. 1st, 1975 and normally would not take the time to write. However, I feel that your insinuation about Tannen's Inc. stealing items like Beam Shot, Benjamin, Silver Stick and the Head Zopper are incorrect. I would like to set you straight but do not want to start a controversy. At first I thought you were a friend of mine and am therefore taking the time to write you regarding this. As you know Beam Shot or now called Lazar Beam is manufactured by a magic firm in Pennsylvania as is Benjamin. As to Finn Jon's Silver Stick as sold to Ken Brookes, (SIC) we have written permission from the inventor in Germany to sell his floating flute. As to the Head Zopper, I have been in touch with Jack Huges and have also explained to him that this is being made by a firm in New Jersey and I am just distributing same. I think you fail to understand that as being the largest magic dealer in the business and advertiser, we must carry and sell anything offered to us. If we do not carry it, another dealer will carry it and in as much as we advertise more frequently than most dealers, we receive the brunt of all this criticism. Personally the fact that you say Johnny Thompson, Don Allen and you are mad, really does not enter into this picture as neither of you are dealers nor have any of your effects been stolen. I have Johnny Thompson's methods of producing doves of several different gimmicks that he has given me personally and have never released these to the public as these are not mine to sell but rest assured if someone came in with an item like Johnny's or yours for sale, I would purchase it and sell it; simple as that. We are in business, we do asdvertising only in the trade papers not to the public and we feel we are doing a service to the magicians brining these effects to them. Pete, I do not even expect a reply just want you to know how I fee I feel. Best regards (signed) Tony Spina. End letter. So you can just read this and see what people are up against. I won't even try to comment on some of the points... they are so obvious. Looking back now, I never thought about it, but this sounds much like a "business" called "fencing".... Msg #22090 Dated 9:40:17 10-07-91 -> 22122 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: OLD ARTICLE Ee;22048 Funny... the Spina Letter was only part of the 1975 issue of Pete's Leaflet... when I finished typing it here... I looked over the rest of the sheets and found some interesting comments. Like, from Lou Tannen (retired and moved to Florida at that time) "Thanks much to LOU TANNEN, now retired, for his comments on the "Leaflet" and his renewal. Goshman ill recently due to inhaling dyes used on sponge ball business.... .... then another page.... "Lloyd Jones thinks my first days in my apartment (I had just moved to Long Beach after 30 years in same house in Oakland) is funny and I should write it up. OK. So I move to Long Beach, stay in motel to get oriented. Then Motel says "you got to move we are sold out starting tomorrow with advance reservations. So I pack and put my stuff in the car. Later that PM I am still without a place. The place I work at is in an apartment building. I check with them and apts. are $400 a month (this was 1975) which I cannot afford (even if Jones tripled my pay!!!!) So I don't know what to do... then manager says, "if you don't want an ocean view I can give you a deal ... I get the $400 apt. for $250 FURNISHED! But no furniture is in it yet... manager says, "I'll have a bed moved in by later tonite" So... I go out and buy food. Get set to eat. No can opener! New rule, get food that doesn't require a can opener. Now I am set to eat. Whoops, forgot to buy any dishes. Found a big ashtray, so I ate out of it! I could go on, but you get the idea. Anyway, what do I buy first? A TV set naturally. So, I am equipped. Next in comes a full mirror so I can practice. And the magic props. Still no furniture, but who needs it? I used the Zig Zag as a closet... etc, etc. etc. argh.... Msg #22091 Dated 10:29:41 10-07-91 -> 22274 From: BURT CARPENTER To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TODAY OCT 7 Happy birthday TC. Shall we all sing? Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthdaaay dear Taaabby! Happy birthday to you! Hope its a good one -Burt Msg #22094 Dated 10:44:33 10-07-91 -> 22112 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IBM I sure wish you the best on selling any real estate in a "timely fashion". I had a deal too good to pass up on the home we are now in and had to go with two mortgages while we waited to sell our old home. It took us five months. I think things are selling a bit better now. Can you rent it while you wait? Msg #22096 Dated 10:45:12 10-07-91 -> 22100 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS I suppose it will hafta to be an eggless Crabbe Crab Cake. Which reminds me...I hadda a couple of great crab cakes at the Charles Town Racetrack Saturday night....wish my picks had been as great...I never have much luck with mudders. Msg #22097 Dated 10:45:26 10-07-91 -> 22111 From: BILL WELLS To: MANNY WELTMAN (X) Re: HOUDINI? Manny...parts of your message #21711 were a bit garbled. I think you said Hardeen's grandsons want nothing to do with magic and that the fellow in Las Vegas who claims to be Hardeen's decendant is NOT any relation to the family at all. It was (the other David) who told me about this grandson of Hardeen in Las Vegas. Apparently, he uses the name Houdini as a stage name. It seems there is also a magician in either Tahoe or Reno who also uses the name Houdini as a stage name, but to my knowledge this man does not claim to be a decendant. It would appear that Houdini clones (at least in name) are appearing all other Nevada. Msg #22098 Dated 10:45:51 10-07-91 -> 22099 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Since froggies are not as specialized as snakes, I would suspect they have most likely filled a few niches the snakies haven't. After the reptiles HAVE had their day haven't they? Msg #22099 Dated 10:46:00 10-07-91 -> 22110 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW You just went beyond the boundaries of my religious knowledge in the area of Judism. I will stop with my last pun! Msg #22101 Dated 10:46:21 10-07-91 -> 22128 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT Glad you put in the last sentence with Florida in it as I was wondering about your dehusking coconuts in South Carolina which is the only state of your past residence that I was aware of. Msg #22102 Dated 10:46:28 10-07-91 -> 22129 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS I hope there was at least some consistency regarding where they hooked up the caboose. I mean verbs are one thing, but a proper train is a proper train. Msg #22103 Dated 10:46:39 10-07-91 -> 22104 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS This Bulletin Board is a very select crowd. Msg #22104 Dated 10:46:47 10-07-91 -> 22130 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: VIDEOS Er;21719 Didn't think they were big on financing purchases at Swap Shows! Maybe you can do it a piece at a time. Even if you don't buy any thing they are still fun to go to. Msg #22105 Dated 10:46:57 10-07-91 -> 22131 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: PILTDOWN MAGIC Nowadays everyone seems to be a biochemist. It is the DNA patterns that's the basis of this "all of us from Eve" stuff. Msg #22107 Dated 10:47:14 10-07-91 -> 22133 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Be careful...the frogs could have BEEN Biro's introduction! . You don't need to call Joe. If you sent him a tape it will show up in my mail box sooner or later for my evaluation. Msg #22108 Dated 10:47:31 10-07-91 -> 22134 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER Never got a chance to turn the computer on this weekend. Should have some time tonight to sit down and get the specifics together for you on the Encyclopedia of Southern Culture. Msg #22109 Dated 10:47:39 10-07-91 -> 22113 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! What is a Kirby vacuum? Msg #22110 Dated 10:48:00 10-07-91 -> 22126 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Is that why airplane food is so bad? . (...difficult to eat anything "on the fly") Msg #22111 Dated 10:48:10 10-07-91 -> 22125 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HOUDINI? I thought the presidental signature was a verification of membership not a certification of compendence. Frankly, I never understood the need for any signature. Msg #22112 Dated 10:48:22 10-07-91 -> 22147 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IBM Too bad....I suspect DC's secretary would ALWAYS sound firm about most anything. Howsomever, foreign tours would need setting up far in advance and are probably less likely to be changed. We can only do what we can...too bad. Would have been a great close! Msg #22113 Dated 10:48:33 10-07-91 -> 22144 From: BILL WELLS To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Actually, Biro has been trying to clean his vacuum for years. Msg #22114 Dated 10:57:00 10-07-91 22076 <--> 22115 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE Aw, Tab, Gloria would look so neat in a yellow sundress, holdin' a parasol, and wavin' at the tourists. And you could manage the general store and sell the souvenirs. Msg #22115 Dated 10:59:58 10-07-91 22083 <--> 22116 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE I didn't miss the Brunswick Stew and the Bar-b-que and I was on time for alla meals. Msg #22116 Dated 11:01:08 10-07-91 22084 <--> 22117 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE I called the FROGLINE (1-800-922-FROG) as soon as I saw your message. Msg #22117 Dated 11:02:19 10-07-91 22088 <--> 22148 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE Just for the record, Illigitimus Non Carborundum Est is the official motto of the International Order of Old Bastards (IOOB) that I mentioned a few days ago. Msg #22121 Dated 11:18:12 10-07-91 22087 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DAVID LICHTMAN I guess that we will see what we will see. I'll try to keep everyone informed of the situation regarding the Mulholland. Msg #22122 Dated 11:22:16 10-07-91 22090 <--> 22152 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD ARTICLE Pete - That report from 1975 is INCREDIBLE! First of all, it dovetails PERFECTLY, almost verbatim with the night you moved last year!!! You did the same things!!! Bought food and couldn't find can opener! Had no pot and no plate! Sheesh - you think you'd learn! Also, this time too you unpacked the magic before getting the furniture - first purchase was a television, etc. PHENOMENAL! Was "argh" really in the letter? Or did you just add that now? Msg #22125 Dated 11:29:56 10-07-91 22097 <--> 22136 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: HOUDINI? Key question, Bill, is are you gonna let this guy use you as a sponsor when he is applying for membership under this name? It sounds like there is some potential for abuse of IBM membership status here. Maybe ask him for a photocopy of his driver's license? Msg #22126 Dated 11:33:25 10-07-91 22098 <--> 22127 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW The reptiles have had DAY ONE. That doesn't mean they won't get another turn at bat. After a few million more years than us, they are still around. My suspicion is that after we do ourselves in, the next folks to have a turn will be the roaches - they been waitin' a long time and they is sturdy little buggers. But once they abound, well, Frogs love 'em as a food source! So lots of Frogs is gonna have gourmet eats and get back on top again! BUT, until then, this is supposed to be a MAGIC! system! We have our own ecological niche to fill! Msg #22127 Dated 11:37:50 10-07-91 22099 <--> 22145 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Wells - 1 Sysop - 2 Msg #22128 Dated 11:38:38 10-07-91 22101 <--> 22662 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT I was raised in Florida, then lived in Alabama for one year (Auburn) and then South Carolina. Msg #22129 Dated 11:40:43 10-07-91 22102 <--> 22388 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS The Swiss railroad knows how to hook up a caboose. As to a proper train, my wife tells me they make it hard to walk or dance, but I suspect that they are usefull for hiding a great topit. I did offer to write a _training_ program for her, but she said she already had one built in. Msg #22130 Dated 11:45:06 10-07-91 22104 <--> 22190 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: VIDEOS Well, we managed to get the gear we needed! It ran a few more bucks than there were in the treasury, but MAGIC! was in dire need, so sysop made up the balance. Now to get it all installed and meanwhile to pray that it works! Msg #22131 Dated 11:47:01 10-07-91 22105 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: PILTDOWN MAGIC Yeah, DNA patterns and a LOT of statistical juggling! I suspect that one could "prove" a lot of things using similar techniques. Will look forward to discussing it over the primeval onion soup - lots of DNA in onions! Also in green beans and peas! Hmmm... now that we've gotten the genetic thread, the anthropo thread and the food thread combined, maybe we can go for a little magic... Msg #22133 Dated 11:51:30 10-07-91 22107 <--> 22387 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG OK, get Biro to send the Nathan tape to you. I think he could do the opening for one of the DMS shows. Msg #22134 Dated 11:52:41 10-07-91 22108 <--> 22667 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: WINTERS AND BEER OK, will look forward to the Encyc. of Southern Culture info. Many thanks. Msg #22136 Dated 13:24:00 10-07-91 22097 <--> 22146 From: MANNY WELTMAN To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: HOUDINI? Sorry about my messege being somewhat garbled. Its true that Hardeen's grandsons want nothing to do with the name Houdini. I understand that they are into Christian science. None of them work in Las Vegas. If there is any other information you would like, please drop me a note. Msg #22141 Dated 16:26:59 10-07-91 22055 <--> 22162 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET I haven't gotten my copy of M A G I C yet either and neither has a friend of mine who lives in Canyon Country. Stan Allen probably has them mailed in zip code numerical order. As a matter of fact I KNOW he does. Therefore those of us whose zippers start with a "9" will get ours later than those that start with "0 and 1" even though we are closer to the point of mailing. Msg #22142 Dated 16:35:02 10-07-91 22033 <- From: STAN LAKE To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X) Re: PETE BIRO I wasn't able to attend the lecture by Mark Wilson. How was it? What was it about? Msg #22143 Dated 16:58:19 10-07-91 From: PETE BIRO To: ER Re: DID I MISS TABBBBIIIIES B S Er;22094 Tell me about 2 mortgages.... 2 property taxes.... 2 lives? Msg #22144 Dated 16:58:27 10-07-91 22109 <--> 22170 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! A cheap brand made famous by pushy door to door salesmen. One came to our house once and my Mom said, No, we don't need one. The guy said, I will vacuum your living room to show you, no obligation. The guy did the whole room and just as he was finishing he swung the floor tank around and the exhaust blew into the fireplace and filled the room with soot! Needeless to say the poor guy had to clean the entire room! She didn't buy it either! Msg #22145 Dated 16:58:39 10-07-91 22110 <--> 22188 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Lately I have been enjoying airplane food. Where else can you get sandwiches that are 7/8 of an inch across? And 3/16ths thick? And salad that fill half your toy fork? Msg #22146 Dated 16:58:48 10-07-91 22111 <--> 22660 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: HOUDINI? I don't make the rules, I just ignore them. Msg #22147 Dated 16:58:54 10-07-91 22112 <--> 22275 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IBM Im going to push for Quebec, as his close pal G. Oulette lives up there! Msg #22148 Dated 16:59:02 10-07-91 22115 <--> 22149 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE Yu did get the good stuff... poor Wells can only immagine! Bah.... Msg #22149 Dated 16:59:08 10-07-91 22117 <--> 22171 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE It is also a slogan for the old miner's who supported the widows and orphans in the gold country in the 49er days. Their group name is E Clampus Vitus Msg #22152 Dated 16:59:37 10-07-91 22122 <--> 22176 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OLD ARTICLE OK you caught me 'Argh-ditorializing' haha ;+) I forget things... never recalled the scene,otherwisemita larned. Msg #22154 Dated 17:00:09 10-07-91 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: MAGIC I forgot ... in M A G I C is a picture of the Artist and Milt and the P I G..... Milt sez it will be gone.... hahahahahaha ;+( Msg #22160 Dated 21:13:37 10-07-91 -> 22206 From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: WILSON LECTURE The Mark Wilson lecture consisted of a nostalgic tour of Mark's career going back verbally to his start at 14 years of age working in Dallas at a local Magic Shop, onward to his first television work on local Dallas TV, adding San Antonio & Houston (live - no video tape) to eventually LA and the network CBS & ABC morning shows. He showed excerpts from his various shows including some tape from early kinescopes. I understand he gave a similar lecture at the last Desert Seminar. All in all, very entertaining. Msg #22161 Dated 21:52:21 10-07-91 -> 22177 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS Consenus seems to be to meet at the Hacienda around 8 pm, where ?? I could stand to see the 9 pm & 11 pm Burton show if anyone wants to. Msg #22162 Dated 21:52:27 10-07-91 22055 <--> 22164 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET Sorry, David mine came last week ! Msg #22164 Dated 21:52:39 10-07-91 22141 <--> 22168 From: JERRY BURTON To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: SWAP MEET I got mine last week 92804 - hardy-har-har ! Did you guys pay in real or stage money |+). Msg #22165 Dated 21:51:39 10-07-91 -> 22178 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: TAB? Hey is the tab in town yet? Or is you guys funnin' too strong to check in???? I am tired been opening cartons all day looking for One prop nad never found it.... tslk... login on tomorrow... bye Msg #22166 Dated 21:52:44 10-07-91 22062 <--> 22210 From: JERRY BURTON To: ALL Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE I have heard the name 'Max Maven' in various contexts for the past 10 years. From conversations here on the board I have grown to respect his encyclopedic knowledge of magic. I have read several of his books and was impressed with their thoroughness and attention to detail. I had seen his video Mind Games and found it to be quite entertaining. I have seen him on TV spots and was only mildly impressed. I saw his spot at the castle either last year or the year before, and thought it was OK, but not overpowering. . I arrived at the Ice House sunday night expecting an OK performance, but was completely blown away - not just by his obvious technical skill, but more by his stage presence and complete command of the entire house. The subtle gestures and eye movements were truly a work of art. In the past I have felt that Max was a bit too critical of others performance, but after seeing him perform for a solid 1 1/2 hours, I can see that he has earned the right to be critical of any act that does not measure up to the obviously high standards he expects of performance. . I STRONGLY recommend that anyone who wants an incredible entertainmen t value make a point to see Max's final show next Sunday, October the 13th. It's the best $ 7.50 I've ever spent. Msg #22168 Dated 21:58:21 10-07-91 22141 <--> 22169 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: SWAP MEET Apparently Jerry, in Orange County, got his last week! I still haven't gotten mine! Why doesn't he just throw 'em all in the mail at one time? Msg #22169 Dated 22:00:30 10-07-91 22164 <--> 22193 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: SWAP MEET I tried to trade Stan a couple of Bicycle decks for the sub. to M A G I C, but he got me for cold, hard cash - couple of years worth. Msg #22170 Dated 22:01:56 10-07-91 22144 <--> 22183 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Kirby's are (or were) actually rather well built machines. My first published short story was about one! Msg #22171 Dated 22:03:30 10-07-91 22148 <--> 22173 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE Wells had a chance at the Brunswick Stew and the Bar-b-que - he blew it by staying home to stuff envelopes. Msg #22173 Dated 22:04:32 10-07-91 22149 <--> 22213 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE E Clampus Vitus, aka St. Vitus Dance, was a mysterious plague that hit Paris and other European cities during the Dark Ages. It is believed by some to have been a form of Chorea, a nervous disorder that occurs in humans and dogs and that is marked by involuntary spasmotic movements of the limbs and facial muscles and by incoordination. It should not be confused with Huntington's Chorea, which is an inherited disorder characterized by the above along with progressive degeneration of the brain tissue, leading eventually to idiocy. Msg #22176 Dated 22:14:49 10-07-91 22152 <--> 22216 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD ARTICLE Well, obviously you make notes of all these things, you just never remember to look at 'em! Don't worry, I got the same problem - I make notes to look at the notes. Guess I'll never do a memory act. Msg #22177 Dated 22:20:17 10-07-91 22161 <--> 22208 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS I would suggest that we meet at the Hacienda around 8 p.m. - in the area of the entrance to the COFFEE SHOP. That should be a convenient meeting point and then we can all work from there. Msg #22178 Dated 22:21:10 10-07-91 22165 <--> 22225 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TAB? Tab phoned that he IS in town. I'm checkin' last minute mail now and rushing down to the Castle to hope to catch him - he said he might turn in early. Msg #22180 Dated 22:33:56 10-07-91 21746 <--> 22282 From: JIM SISTI To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CARD ERASERS I deeply appreciate your efforts. This is turning into a gigantic disaster. . . Msg #22181 Dated 23:16:32 10-07-91 22060 <--> 22182 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CHANGED HEADER You are absolutely right as usual! Thanks for the correction. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22182 Dated 23:17:10 10-07-91 22081 <--> 22194 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CHANGED HEADER I saw that just as I hit the "Save" command, but then I thought..."Hmm maybe they'll think I was trying to turn 'Funny' into an adverb." So much for wishful thinking! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22183 Dated 23:22:20 10-07-91 22075 <--> 22191 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Yeah, I suppose it does. And if one has acquired a taste for eating regularly, your's is undoubtedly the way to go! I have a tendency to try anything until I master it, then to go on to something else. I've yet to come close with music, so perhaps I'll keep going for a while. I did give up playing profesionally for a couple of years. I got real worn out playing smoky bars, to audiences who didn't give a hoot whether it was live or the jukebox. Since then, I've improved my stage presence, and usually can get a group going without too much effort. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22185 Dated 23:28:19 10-07-91 -> 22204 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: FUGITIVE COINS Stan Lake Fugitive coins MAGIC!-NL Sun 06 Oct 91 18:07 Tommy Wonder posted the following msg: From : TOMMY WONDER To : STAN LAKE Subject : FUGITIVE COINS While thinking about this trick a little more I had the following ideas. I think Charlie Randall suggested hiding the extra(large)coin with the Kaps subtlety, so that there is less chance of the spectator suspecting an extra coin. Have you ever considered to turn around the concept of the trick? I mean instead of the extra coin being the largest, to have the extra coin to be the smallest? This way you can hide it in the beginning of the trick underneath the other coins, and so show the hands really empty. Also, when the spectator holds two coins, you will be palming the largest one, personally I find it easier to pal a large coin than a small one. May be you find that easier as well. Foreign coins do not have to be suspicious and can actually add some interest, also it may give a possibility for patter and plot. The only problem I can foresee with foreign coins is that you will have more difficulty with driving home the transposition, since the coins are not well known. My suggestion therefore is to use copper and silver coins! The largest coin is for instance silver and the middle and the smallest(the extra!)coin is copper. In the trick you end up with giving both copper coins to the spectator, and keeping the large silver one palmed. Then you ask the spectator;"Hand me the copper one, the smallest of the two". Because of the fact that the spectator thinks he holds a copper and a silver this instruction will not be too difficult. Since the coins are not very well known, you can may be give a more than fleeting glimpse of the coin which is given to you. This coin you change to the silver while asking the spectator wether he can feel his coin shrink. Many countrys have coins with virtually the same design, although of different size. This will help to disguise the secret when the smallest copper coin has to parade for the slightly larger copper coin. --- * Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0) --- Msg #22187 Dated 23:29:39 10-07-91 22080 <--> 22230 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HUSWOY...YOWSUH SPELT BAC It isn't a shopping mall yet! I went by there the other day, and they've dug out the basement, and put some of the red-iron up. Not too long now. My favorite day in the lower desert was going through Indio (30 miles east of PS) and seeing that it was 125 degrees, and started raining! Fun place to live. ARgh Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22188 Dated 23:37:38 10-07-91 22126 <--> 22189 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Now wait a minute! The dinosaurs had over 100 million years to themselves. Let's wait a couple more years before we hand the whole shebang over to the roaches. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22189 Dated 23:38:52 10-07-91 22145 <--> 22192 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW from an old "Shoe" cartoon.... Tips for batchelors: Always buy steaks that are cut thinner than 1/2 inch. This way, they can be fit into the toaster. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22191 Dated 0:50:56 10-08-91 22078 <--> 22212 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Curiously enough, I reference Bolton in the afterword to my forthcoming mentalism collection. Msg #22192 Dated 1:01:18 10-08-91 22188 <--> 22195 From: T A WATERS To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Most estimates put the dinosaurs at lasting around 165 million years -- and we began getting lower back pain from walking upright only about half-a-million ago -- so I'd say we have a while yet before we can get confident of our survival. Msg #22193 Dated 1:37:47 10-08-91 22168 <--> 22198 From: MAX MAVEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET (1) Is it possible you actually believe that Stan Allen handles the mailing activity himself? (2) Given the notoriously poor service of the U. S. Postal System, why are you concerned that your copy has not yet arrived? Those who've mentioned receiving theirs have indicated receipt within the past few days. I'd wait a few more days before presuming your copy is not forthcoming. Msg #22194 Dated 1:54:49 10-08-91 22181 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CHANGED HEADER I know. Msg #22195 Dated 2:01:00 10-08-91 22188 <--> 22219 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW I didn't place a time limit on our turn at bat, I just wrote "when." I would point out though that in the 100-Million (or so) years, the reptiles were smart enough not to invent the transistor radio or the freeway. Msg #22198 Dated 2:17:38 10-08-91 22193 <--> 22202 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: SWAP MEET Gee, Max, that rather spoils my vision of Stan pulling up in front of the post office with a van full of copies of M A G I C. I could even hear the "kerthunk" as the neatly tied bundles hit the bottom of the mailbox. Msg #22199 Dated 2:24:20 10-08-91 -> 22205 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 I finally caught up with the Tabman at the Magic Castle at about 11 P.M. last night. Tab did what Tab does best - he hung out and chatted with folks - let's see... There was Burt Carpenter, Bruce Cervon, Jeff Hobson, Bill Larsen, Billy McComb, Peter Pit, and T. A. Waters. I left at about 1 A.M. when they began to form a Conga Line in Irma's room. Msg #22202 Dated 7:08:07 10-08-91 22164 <--> 22203 From: STAN LAKE To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: SWAP MEET Gee, I thought that check to Stan Allen was gonna clear... Msg #22203 Dated 7:09:15 10-08-91 22168 <--> 22209 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET I don't know how big of an operation M A G I C magazine is. He probably contracts out the printing and mailing to a private firm which takes care of all that. The reason I said I know they are mailed out in zip code order is my zip code is 91352. The next mailing label was stuck underneath mine, it was 91353 and happened to belong to a friend of mine! I told him I got two labels but only one magazine. Anyhow, there are several different ways to mail large quantities of magazines and I still think that for the circulation size of M A G I C it goes out in zip order. Now we haven't so many of us received ours yet? Well they do have computer generated labels. Anything can happen I suppose but if I don't receive mine today I will inquire and let you know if I get any promising news. Msg #22204 Dated 7:23:34 10-08-91 22185 <--> 22223 From: STAN LAKE To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: FUGITIVE COINS That's quite a nice idea of using smaller instead of larger and copper and silver foreign coins. Do you know offhand any particular country that has copper and silver coins that fit your description? I know of a coin shop not too far from here which I'm sure would have many combinations to choose from. Thanks! Msg #22205 Dated 7:29:31 10-08-91 22199 <--> 22228 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Ron Wilson and Mark Wilson were also there last night. The entire board of directors was having a meeting at the bar when I walked by! Saw Tabby for a moment and said hello. It must have been a fun evening (or morning by the time you closed uphe place down!) Msg #22206 Dated 7:35:21 10-08-91 22160 <--> 22207 From: STAN LAKE To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X) Re: WILSON LECTURE Thanks for the Mark Wilson lecture review. Did he say what he is currently doing? I remember Bill Larsen saying Mark was going to talk about making money in magic or how he made his money in magic. Did he give any tips or pointers on making magic a paying venture? Msg #22207 Dated 8:14:18 10-08-91 22206 <- From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: WILSON LECTURE HE PROBABLY, like he has been doing, sold a lot of his old stuff. I understand he is trying to sell a wherehouse full of magic, as he can't keep makin the payments to store the stuff! Msg #22208 Dated 8:15:11 10-08-91 22161 <--> 22217 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS Sooooooooooo you want to see if Lance's misdirection is better on the 2nd than the 1st show when the T*TS are out in the opennnnn. Msg #22209 Dated 8:15:18 10-08-91 22164 <--> 22211 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: SWAP MEET Some of us live in neighborhoods where the post office substation has a magician working init... and they read it for a couple of days... some magazines they can read in a couple of minutes.... Msg #22210 Dated 8:15:27 10-08-91 22166 <- From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE Max will really have to P R O J E C T next Sunday, I'll be in an airplane during his show.... . I am glad he did so well and has a S T R O N G live act.... Wish I could see it, have not seen Max perform for more than five years (maybe longer) since he was in Les Sorcery. A show that was a potential killer but was in a crappy nightclub in Reno. I know, I was in the show for a run as well. Msg #22211 Dated 8:15:41 10-08-91 22168 <--> 22222 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET <...in the mail at on time?> -- Stan can't lick all the stamps in one sitting.... Msg #22212 Dated 8:15:49 10-08-91 22170 <--> 22220 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Good thing you didn't have to write a "long" story.... Msg #22213 Dated 8:15:56 10-08-91 22171 <--> 22214 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE Remember the date? Well he was stuffing M A G I C MAGAZINES.....;+) Msg #22214 Dated 8:16:02 10-08-91 22173 <--> 22244 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE So... which one is it you think I have been afflicted with, then? Msg #22216 Dated 8:16:18 10-08-91 22176 <--> 22247 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OLD ARTICLE I got notes on notes, tapes to listen to to look at notes and listen to tapes, a huge card next to the computer that has 4 numbers on it that EACH TIME I LOG ONTO MAGIC! I turn the card so I know what number to put down on the file name and I have a note next to it to remind me to rotate it... then I forget... and still have to go DIR/P to see what files I am up to..... then I make a file name, log off, sign onto IMP! (only moments later) and forget the number, have to exit, go into XTREE and look. Still write it down so I will do it right 30 seconds later.... arghhh now what was the question? Msg #22217 Dated 8:16:32 10-08-91 22177 <--> 22226 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS The show doesn't start until 11... are you guys goonnaa eat first at the Hacienda???? Msg #22219 Dated 8:16:50 10-08-91 22189 <--> 22221 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Hey good idea... if I can find the toaster!!! Hah... Msg #22220 Dated 8:16:57 10-08-91 22191 <--> 22270 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I have seen two, count 'em TWO killer sets by Bolton. One on a music award show with Kenny G, and the other night singing GEORGIA with Ray Charles.... man you got to be cool, good and more than wonderful to sing the same song as Charles!!! Whew... electricity comin't thru the boob toob... Msg #22221 Dated 8:17:07 10-08-91 22192 <--> 22661 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW You mean I can get rid of my lower back pain by assuming a permanent crouch when I walk? Thanks... will try... Msg #22222 Dated 8:17:14 10-08-91 22203 <--> 22224 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: SWAP MEET Boy you probably have Lichtman quivering now, he will figure that his label is lost and his magazine is floating around somewhere being read by laymen, let along a magiclumpkin.... ;+), or :-( ? Msg #22223 Dated 8:17:22 10-08-91 22204 <- From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: FUGITIVE COINS Mexico and Enland... but... look for other ideas now that you are on that tack THANKS TO T WONDER... Gold or Brass... Also, you might consider a CHINESE coin... it might be that the HOLE in it cannot be felt by a spectator... mo to think about! I hope Tommy is going to keep all this stuff he has written in a file so it will be in his new book! Gems, all gems! I bet someone else named him Wonder! Msg #22224 Dated 8:17:33 10-08-91 22164 <--> 22227 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: SWAP MEET I think the hot tip is to have your magazine mailed to a friend in New Jersey (low zip code) then have him mark it "Moved to..." and have it forwarded. Probably much quicker. . Also one of the problemos is it is mailed 2nd class. If you are in a rush, you might write Stan and see if he offers 1st class service (for a few dozen more bucaroos).... Msg #22225 Dated 8:17:46 10-08-91 22165 <- From: PETE BIRO To: PETE BIRO Re: TAB? My memory is going so bad I almost answered my own message here.... CHARGH! Msg #22226 Dated 8:17:53 10-08-91 22177 <--> 22242 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS You mean you are only going to see ONE SHOW a trip... geeez....even if it is a louzy show you should go see one.... Find out if I am right and Kirby von Birch is as bad as I think.... Msg #22227 Dated 8:18:02 10-08-91 22198 <--> 22231 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET I think when the bundle went "kerthunk" it broke open and your copy is still laying there... the wind turning the pages... a homeless fella wrapping a fish, burning the rest to keep warm... it should make you feel good to help someone less fortunate.... he might even try to do Dingle's card trick... work his way back into society, become a usefull citizen... play quarterback for the Raiders... GOD WHAT A WONDER THING JUST ONE MAGAZINE CAN DO.... Msg #22228 Dated 8:18:14 10-08-91 22199 <--> 22229 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 DID YOU ASK HOBSON TO NOT SPEAK? Msg #22229 Dated 8:18:21 10-08-91 22205 <--> 22240 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Did you lobby the Board of Directors to R E M O V E the P I G ?? Msg #22230 Dated 10:38:59 10-08-91 22043 <--> 22248 From: EVAN KATZ To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HUSWOY...YOWSUH SPELT BAC She WAS in the back seat running toward me. Figuratively, at least. Msg #22231 Dated 10:39:40 10-08-91 22056 <--> 22233 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET It's Tuesday, still haven't gotten M A G I C. Will check mail today! Msg #22233 Dated 11:40:59 10-08-91 22203 <--> 22234 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: SWAP MEET I haven't been down to the Arleta P. O. yet, but if you get your mag and find my label stuck to it, please give me a call! Rumor is that it is mailed from New Jersey! Which could explain a LOT! Now, why Stan drives to New Jersey to mail 'em is beyond me. Msg #22234 Dated 11:47:17 10-08-91 22211 <--> 22235 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET Well, he's got a few days while the magazine is at the printers - why doesn't he lick 'em then in batches? Msg #22235 Dated 11:48:01 10-08-91 22222 <--> 22238 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET Man, did you ever call that right! That IS exactly what I have visions of - some layman in the P. O. is readin' my mag! Oh, well, I've heard that the issue looked great. Msg #22236 Dated 11:49:00 10-08-91 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: T A WATERS (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW re:22192, My favorite "fact"(How can you call anything fact that happened millions of years ago?) was that Brontosaureses and Tyranosaurous Rex have more years between their existences than do the last of the dinosaurs and humans! (There you go Mr. Ripley ) Msg #22237 Dated 11:51:05 10-08-91 -> 22252 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW re:22195 This is true, but how do you call any species intelligent that doesn't use prestidigitation? Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22238 Dated 11:49:54 10-08-91 22227 <--> 22239 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET Argh! (tm - Biro), Glug! What mental imagery you can create, Pete. Picture of David Williamson picture kissing a fish; Maven page curling as it burns - DID YOU HAVE TO DO THAT??? Msg #22239 Dated 11:52:24 10-08-91 22231 <--> 22249 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: SWAP MEET Maybe Stan's mailed 'em in ALPHA order - from both edges out! Yeah! That's it! Biro, Burton, Crabb and Waters get theirs first! Katz and Lichtman gotta wait! Or maybe he sorted 'em by... Nah, he wouldn't do that, would he? Msg #22240 Dated 11:54:49 10-08-91 22205 <--> 22241 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Sorry I missed seeing you last night! Yes, there WAS an Academy Board of Directors meeting last night - and I understand it was a complex one. I left and came back to MAGIC! World Headquarters and worked on the new system components 'til 6 a.m. when I ran into a snag. Left a note for the programmer and went home. Msg #22241 Dated 11:57:44 10-08-91 22228 <--> 22254 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 NO! I did NOT talk to Hobson about his act! It was Tab's B'Day Bash and I wanted him to be enjoyin' himself. Besides, Hobson is taller than I thought - almost my height and I make it a rule never to pick on people my own size. Msg #22242 Dated 12:00:23 10-08-91 22217 <--> 22255 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS Yeah, I think plan is to assemble and then maybe to eat. Burton sez there maybe more than one coffee shop! But current plan is to meet between 8 and 8:30 in front of coffee shop. Msg #22243 Dated 12:15:13 10-08-91 -> 22256 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: ALL Re: M A G I C I just received my second issue of M A G I C. My impressions? If "slow and steady wins the race", Stan has a winner on his hands. I'm sorry, but to me, it has all the hard hitting impact of an airline's In-Flight magazine. I was held in suspense by the ever controversial Disneyland Haunted Mansion ride, and the retrospective of Virgil's 1940's World Tour. Michael Weber wears his "white hat" as he reviews new products with such critical comments as: "Highly recommended"(twice), "Recommended reading", "...well produced...". His only negative comment was a hearty "mediocre". Eugene Burger sums it up best in the Letters column : "Come on, Michael, if you want to do realistic reviews, get with it! Sharpen your sword!" An editorial even appears condemning "reviewers" as not being "critics", overlooking minor faults in favor of "...doling out the milk of human kindness..." On the plus side, Stan is getting better, only having SIX pages of "card crap" instead of the eight in the first issue. (quoting another disappointed reader) The strongest writing still comes from Max Maven's "Parallax" column. The most worthwhile reading is still the "Inside Magic" that Stan is famous for, and I did enjoy the article on David Williamson. Stan concludes another blockbuster issue with a photo of our ever popular "Super Pig" with a comment that two Castle members may be interested in buying it. He doesn't say, however what they wanted to do with it after they got their hands on it. I still propose a few pounds of C4 in strategic spots will do wonders. Sorry, maybe I was in a bad mood when the issue arrived, but usually a magic magazine in the mail does wonders for my attitude. Not this time. David (the other one) Msg #22244 Dated 12:03:44 10-08-91 22213 <--> 22245 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE Well, Wells missed an opportunity of a LIFETIME - maybe he was stuffin' envelopes, but I was stuffin' ME with the Brunswick and the Bar-b-que! I sure am glad Tab had gotten some good road kills that week. Msg #22245 Dated 12:19:54 10-08-91 22214 <--> 22257 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE As to which one you have been afflicted with, deponent sayith naught. Msg #22247 Dated 12:26:36 10-08-91 22216 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OLD ARTICLE Yeeps! You IS confuzzled, Biro! I don't even know what numbers you are talkin' about! Explain it all to me tomorrow. Msg #22248 Dated 13:37:08 10-08-91 22230 <- From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: HUSWOY...YOWSUH SPELT BAC Nice to know she was figuratively.... Msg #22249 Dated 13:37:14 10-08-91 22231 <--> 22250 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: SWAP MEET But you get more information here online every day... who needs to check the mail? Or was it check in the mail? Msg #22250 Dated 13:37:22 10-08-91 22233 <--> 22251 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET He doesn't drive to New Jersey, he rides. Msg #22251 Dated 13:37:28 10-08-91 22234 <--> 22253 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET He can't lick 'em, but he does Join 'em...;+) Msg #22252 Dated 13:37:35 10-08-91 22237 <--> 22259 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Arthur Bull AKA "Francisco" opened our Midnight Spook Shows with, "I will now do some prestidigitation... Prestidigitation... the art of taking the impossible, adding to it a few possibilites and doing something that can't be done!" . Sounds best in a WC Fields voice! Msg #22253 Dated 13:37:46 10-08-91 22239 <--> 22268 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET Skill level? Msg #22254 Dated 13:37:53 10-08-91 22241 <--> 22261 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Specially when they have a flaming torch at the ready! Msg #22255 Dated 13:37:59 10-08-91 22242 <--> 22291 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS The Hacienda has: 1) A coffee shop (Mexican Decor) B A R G A I N on Crab Legs... 2) A buffet (to the left of the above) and 3) A steak house (one more door to the left)... and they are all to the left of the showroom. Msg #22256 Dated 13:38:10 10-08-91 22243 <--> 22269 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: M A G I C Good comments... on M A G I C... We gots to give him time... God there are enough tricks with cards in the world. I was sorting out my Pallbearers, Heirophants, Kabballas, Arcanes, Epilogues and Pabulars last night... Not to mention the Phoenix, Hugard and Jinx files.... argh.... Msg #22257 Dated 13:38:21 10-08-91 22245 <--> 22271 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE I figured it out, finally... reading message #22245, YOU ARE THE MAN WHO WAS REGINALD SCOTT.... The same lisp in your writing!! Msg #22259 Dated 13:57:20 10-08-91 22252 <- From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ROTH REVIEW Doesn't everything sound better in a WC Fields voice? (No, not that.) Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22261 Dated 14:19:04 10-08-91 22229 <--> 22262 From: STAN LAKE To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 I didn't stop to talk or lobby- wish I had thought of that! I keep thinking every time I go up the drive way it will be gone. No such luck yet. Have had a chance to see it yet? Msg #22262 Dated 14:23:03 10-08-91 22240 <--> 22283 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 I didn't hear anything about the Board of Directors meeting. Did you catch any info? We appreciate your dedication and devotion to Magic! but someday soon you should consider getting some sleep! Msg #22267 Dated 23:37:23 10-08-91 From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: WILSON LECTURE My apologies to you and Mark Wilson. I'm sorry that I can't enlighten you on the balance of Mark's lecture since I had to split early. I reported , as best I could, what transpired prior to his break at 4:30 for his sales session. Perhaps someone else can fill in the balance. Msg #22268 Dated 0:35:23 10-09-91 22239 <--> 22278 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET Got M A G I C in the Tuesday mail. And, I must say, I think it's humming along well. The second issue's refined a few things. Layout and style are excellent, as is the quality of the writing. What I like about it is the lack of sub-standard filler -- it's not a thick magazine, but what's in there is well-done. It's easy to navigate, and is pleasing to the eye. Review and magic sections are super-excellent. Concur? Msg #22269 Dated 0:45:54 10-09-91 22243 <--> 22285 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: M A G I C Other David-- - I read your critique of M A G I C with some interest -- and in pretty much complete disagreement. It's impossible to disagree with your opinions per se, but let me ask you this -- COMPARED TO WHAT? All your observations are ones that are true of the other magazines in the field: overly puffy reviews; an excess of card material; acking in "hard hitting impact." Then, upon re-reading you review, I found it impossible to determine exactly what you didn't like about M A G I C. Obviously something about it bugs you -- and I've read negative remarks from others. What exactly is it about the mag that you don't like? Msg #22270 Dated 0:58:03 10-09-91 22183 <--> 22279 From: TABBY CRABB To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! \smokey bars is bad for the health and puts too many temptations in the tabman's pathway. Msg #22271 Dated 1:00:56 10-09-91 22088 <--> 22272 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE \am now finally at Frogie's playing with the central console. Frogman has cleaned up the office and has added a chair. \i miss the ten foot high piles of floppy disks. Msg #22272 Dated 1:02:14 10-09-91 22114 <--> 22292 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE I may sell souvenirs. Interestingly enuff, my first record was called "Among Grandma's Souvenirs." Msg #22273 Dated 1:05:59 10-09-91 22089 <--> 22304 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SPINA LETTER So mister, wanna buy some watches? Msg #22274 Dated 1:08:31 10-09-91 22091 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: BURT CARPENTER (X) Re: TODAY OCT 7 Thanks for the B'day wish, Burt. Now that I'm 46 maybe I will know better. Msg #22275 Dated 1:09:25 10-09-91 22094 <--> 22674 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IBM Renting is out as tenant would want luxuries such as heat and hot water. Will have faith it will go soon. Fortunately have no mortgage on Hotel DeCarlo as my grandad paid cash (10k) for it in 1916. Msg #22277 Dated 1:13:46 10-09-91 22096 <--> 22395 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS If the track is wet, bet the Canadian horse if there is one. Msg #22278 Dated 1:14:28 10-09-91 22251 <--> 22280 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET RE: "He can't lick 'em, but he does join 'em..." - That was bad, Birosan, bad. It sounds like the new issue is creating a lot of discussion - sure wish I could get to see it. Msg #22279 Dated 1:16:57 10-09-91 22270 <--> 22287 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Smokey bars is bad for the everything. "I can risist anything except temptation." --W C Fields Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22280 Dated 1:19:47 10-09-91 22268 <--> 22301 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: SWAP MEET HOW CAN I CONCUR WHEN I HAVEN'T SEEN THE !@#$% THING YET??? Sheesh! I just told Tab (he's online on the Master Console here at MAGIC! World Headquarters - I'm on another node of the network) that he should have brought his with him from Maryland so's I could see it! Msg #22282 Dated 1:26:03 10-09-91 22180 <--> 22350 From: TABBY CRABB To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: CARD ERASERS Am still looking for someway to help you rub this all out. Msg #22283 Dated 1:27:06 10-09-91 22199 <--> 22284 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Who is Irma? Msg #22284 Dated 1:28:08 10-09-91 22205 <--> 22286 From: TABBY CRABB To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Was good seeing you last night and sorry we didn't get to spend more time. Looked for you after the confab broke up and guess you had gone. Msg #22285 Dated 1:31:34 10-09-91 22256 <--> 22302 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: M A G I C Ah, The Phoenix and The Jinx. Now, there's some good reading. Was in Castle Library all afternoon with Mr. Waters and had a good time and got some work done. Can't thank T A enuff. Also had a great surprise when Frogman took me to my birthday party and it was with Max and TA as well as Nathan and Mrs. Frog. Nathan and I discussed opera while Max told jokes in Japanese. One of the best birthdays yet. Thanks guys!!! Msg #22286 Dated 1:24:55 10-09-91 22254 <--> 22289 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Flaming certainly goes with Hobson. He was there again tonite. Which, I guess really brings us to: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 2 Tonite Tab joined a quiet family dinner with a couple of friends. The Tabman knocked Nathan off his seat - quite literally - when he handed him a custom made Nathan size CONJURERS WOODWORKS WAND, walnut with brass tips. Nathan just kept going "OH! OH! OH!" and finnaly got out "THANK YOU, TABMAN!" After dinner the entire cast of servers and managers surrounded the table to sing Happy Birthday, in Spanish, to the Tabman -- only Tab had excused himself! So everyone regrouped and did "take two" when he returned to the table. A most special dinner made exceedingly pleasant by the guests who joined us. Then back to the Castle along with JERRY BURTON. An evening of discussion at the upstairs bar. Burton rigged the place with Biowire and had all sorts of special effects going. Now we are at two workstations here at Techy Heaven - Tab is on the Master Console and I'm on a remote node. Tomorrow it is up at dawn to take Nathan to school and then off for Vegas. Msg #22287 Dated 1:35:23 10-09-91 22279 <--> 22293 From: TABBY CRABB To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Dam, you're quick. Msg #22288 Dated 1:36:52 10-09-91 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: X-RATED ZYGOTABS See you tomorrow, bro sir. Msg #22289 Dated 1:35:59 10-09-91 22262 <--> 22290 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 So far there are few leaks from last night's Academy of Magical Arts Board of Director's meeting. Or at least if there are leaks, they haven't been in this direction. Yeah, maybe someday I'll get some sleep. I figure around next Tuesday is my first shot at it. Msg #22290 Dated 1:38:23 10-09-91 22283 <--> 22307 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 She's a rock 'n roll fiend from the '60's - the 1860's. Rumor has it that EJ offered you her job tonite! Msg #22291 Dated 1:39:25 10-09-91 22255 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LAS VEGAS ROOMS OK, thanks! We will plan on meeting at the Coffee Shop with the Mexican Decor and the Cheap Crab Legs! Msg #22292 Dated 1:43:30 10-09-91 22257 <--> 22294 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE "The Man Who Was Reginald Scott" - sounds like a great title for a book! Wasn't he the one who was there when Shakespeare, writting under the name of Bacon, invented gunpowder? Msg #22293 Dated 1:45:05 10-09-91 22279 <--> 22309 From: T A WATERS To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! "I can resist everything except temptation" is indeed a great line, but it's Oscar Wilde's... Msg #22294 Dated 1:44:55 10-09-91 22271 <--> 22295 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE Yeah, Tabman BARELY missed the ten foot high piles of diskettes! One more inch with his toe and he would have been buried in 'em! Msg #22295 Dated 1:46:24 10-09-91 22272 <--> 22303 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE I didn't realize that "Among Grandma's Souvenirs" was YOU! Tab, you is somethin' else! Msg #22301 Dated 7:32:20 10-09-91 22268 <--> 22305 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: SWAP MEET I don't think it moved forward, though, after re-looking at it. ???? Msg #22302 Dated 7:32:27 10-09-91 22269 <--> 22325 From: PETE BIRO To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: M A G I C Maybe everyone is HOPING Stan can re-invent the wheel. I doubt that is possible. He uses paper and ink, words and pictures. So does Genii. The contributors are different people and thier viewpoints are different. I think what might be happening is that we are really missing the NEWSY stuff that was INSIDE MAGIC. Bill Wells and I chatted on the phone last night and feel the REASON he went to the monthly slick was to be able to generate advertising income. Msg #22303 Dated 7:32:39 10-09-91 22271 <--> 22308 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE So that's what the piles were, disks.... hmmmmmmmmm Msg #22304 Dated 7:32:46 10-09-91 22273 <--> 22326 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: SPINA LETTER He probably carries Rolexes, Cartiers, Piagets.... (hey I can get those in Mexico for $30 apiece -- $22.50 if I have someone with me that can speak spanish! Msg #22305 Dated 7:32:54 10-09-91 22278 <--> 22306 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET It is a plot.... keeping M A G I C outa yo' mitts.... Msg #22306 Dated 7:33:01 10-09-91 22280 <--> 22312 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SWAP MEET I will bring mine on the airplane today so when I meet youse guys you can rent it from me. Msg #22307 Dated 7:33:10 10-09-91 22283 <--> 22319 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 You must have missed ONE of the 83 bars at the Magic Castle. Msg #22308 Dated 7:33:16 10-09-91 22292 <--> 22314 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE Reminds me, had a cholestoral test yesterday and the found bacon. Msg #22309 Dated 7:33:23 10-09-91 22293 <--> 22323 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Was Oscar Wilde when WC Fields used his line? Msg #22312 Dated 7:51:54 10-09-91 22305 <--> 22313 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET How about you bring your copy of M A G I C to Vegas so's I can see it? Msg #22313 Dated 7:53:06 10-09-91 22306 <--> 22324 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET Ah! OK, got your message about bringing your copy to Vegas right after I left mine. By the way, Darwin is having a meeting tonite in Vegas - maybe we can drop by after Lance - meeting is supposed to go until 4 a.m. Msg #22314 Dated 7:56:36 10-09-91 22308 <--> 22321 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE Ya? If they found the bacon with all the veggies and wok stuff you eat, then I don't even wanna think about going for the test. My arteries creak when I bend over. Msg #22319 Dated 9:32:51 10-09-91 22290 <--> 22320 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Yeah, EJ played me a tune he'd written fo his daughter on the new(old) piano upstairs and I countered with some honky-tonk boogie (just enuff to not get mysel in trouble or draw a crowd). Msg #22320 Dated 9:34:38 10-09-91 22307 <--> 22330 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 The bar I really like is the one in the side of the stairs going up tio the dining room but was scared I'd fall over the rail (tired, not loaded). Msg #22321 Dated 9:36:11 10-09-91 22295 <--> 22322 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: OFF-LINE It was a relatively popular record. Msg #22322 Dated 9:36:51 10-09-91 22303 <--> 22332 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: OFF-LINE Last time here I pulled something off a pile and it fell over on me. Froggie had it balanced on top of the stack offsetting gravity (which is a good trick in itself)! Msg #22323 Dated 9:39:01 10-09-91 22293 <--> 22344 From: TABBY CRABB To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Except that I tempt resistance. Msg #22324 Dated 9:39:51 10-09-91 22306 <--> 22406 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET Are you meeting us now? Will keep my eyes peeled. Msg #22325 Dated 9:41:01 10-09-91 22302 <--> 22338 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: M A G I C How is Bill Wells? Good I hope! Msg #22326 Dated 9:42:12 10-09-91 22304 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SPINA LETTER I one bought a "rolex" in Korea but upon close examination found it was a "lolex." Msg #22330 Dated 11:12:39 10-09-91 22319 <--> 22331 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Yeah, I heard about those couple of bars of honky-tonk boogie. I was too busy talkin' to Glenn Close to notice. Msg #22331 Dated 11:14:32 10-09-91 22330 <--> 22333 From: TABBY CRABB To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Too Close to notice? Msg #22332 Dated 11:13:56 10-09-91 22321 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: OFF-LINE "Among Grandma's Souvenirs" was a _relatively_ popular record? You doin' puns these days, Tabman? You know, considerin' we are on-line at the same time, we could just look across the room and talk... Msg #22333 Dated 11:17:32 10-09-91 22331 <--> 22342 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 Yeah, the lady has style. But liaisons can be dangerous. Msg #22334 Dated 11:33:21 10-09-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: FILES In order to reallocate some space on the diskpack, I have temporarily deleted some of the early MAGIC! message files. They will be back on the system in a few days. Msg #22336 Dated 12:40:12 10-09-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAGIC-58 The fifty-eighth set of MAGIC! messages - #18500 (September 11, 1991) to #18999 (September 14, 1991) - has been transferred to a downloadable file. The file is named MAGIC-58.TXT. This means that you can now go to the file area, download this file, and read the fifty-eighth volume of messages off-line. For those who know how to use the PKUNZIP system for uncompressing files, there is a compressed version of this same file. It is called MAGIC-58.ZIP and is less than 1/2 the size of the full-text version. Not only will transferring these messages to a file make it easier for you to obtain a complete set of them, but it will make the search for new messages easier and faster. Msg #22338 Dated 15:49:14 10-09-91 22302 <--> 22340 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: M A G I C The presumption that Stan's primary motivation is financial strikes me as ill-considered. Msg #22340 Dated 16:17:28 10-09-91 22338 <--> 22351 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: M A G I C You don't believe that Stan is publishing M A G I C to make a living? I honestly believe he is... (will ask) ... and good business sense in publishing means to sell the medicine... which is circulation and advertising. Maybe he is rich? Msg #22341 Dated 16:19:01 10-09-91 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: HELP Frog? Tabman? Where are you? I missed you by about 5 minutes at the airport... got the job done in record time, even though the subject was 1 hour late!!! Hit the Trop at 3:15, you were checked in but did not answer page... nuttin.... am at Gold Coast,meeting Geno here at 4:30 for a drink.. and await your call.... We can go to Lecture site FIRST at 9:15, back by 11 for Lance show... and go back after if you wish.... OR we can switch and see Lance's 8 pm show and go to Fernando's lecture. Keops is an old dear friend... Great card man. An in room now ... in bar at 4:30.... if you read this... NO Laptop? Tsk.... bye Msg #22342 Dated 19:46:05 10-09-91 22284 <- From: STAN LAKE To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: TAB'S B'DAY BASH - DAY 1 I was just in for a couple of shows. Both times I have seen you at the Castle I just didn't feel right about sitting down and making myself at home so to speak. Both times it was a pleasant suprise to see you and maybe next time when I know you will be there (or somewhere) I can stop in for a visit that's not unexpected! Have fun in Vegas, wish I didn't have to work for a living! Msg #22343 Dated 20:50:09 10-09-91 -> 22365 From: STEVE BRYANT To: ALL Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE Am jealous of all of you who got to see Max's performance at the Ice House. These days, outside of Copperfield and Las Vegas, it's a rare opportunity to see a magician (or psychic comedian, if you will) perform for real people in a real situation (i.e. not at the Magic Castle or at a convention). For those of us who couldn't attend, it would be nice if you who did could pass on a _rough_ idea of just what it was that Max did. Please don't compromise Max in this. I realize this is a hard thing to do and, quite frankly, is almost never done in magic reviews. There is the "know-it-all" approach ("Well, he came out and did Brainwave and then Mental Epic and then Koran's Medallion and . . ."), and there is the videotape equivalent of reporting so much that one tips all the performer's lines, etc. I also realize that personality plays a far more important role than does individual effects. Still -- none of the reviews to date has given an inkling of what Max did. It might be nice, if you find it possible, to give a general idea of what went on, from how a layman might have perceived it, without going so far as let the unscrupulous reconstruct routines for their own use. Basically I'm curious as to what a mentalist would choose to fill 1.5 hours with. For example, was there a half hour of message reading? Any hypnosis? Any mediumistic effects? Hmmm. Perhaps Max himself is the only one who should be authorized to respond to this query. Msg #22344 Dated 22:39:52 10-09-91 22287 <--> 22345 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! That's right, BARTLETT"S TO THE RESCUE.(sounded in loud superhero voice) Welcome to So Cal! It sounds like you are having a great time. Hope everyone treats you so well! Enjoy! (I think that's my record for exclamation marks ino one message!) Kevin Msg #22345 Dated 22:41:40 10-09-91 22293 <--> 22346 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I was kinda guesing as to where I'd heard that, but I'm sure it was not from Wilde or from someone saying it was from Wilde. But that is not to say that it ain't so. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22346 Dated 22:42:51 10-09-91 22323 <--> 22357 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Yes, but we all know that the more resistance, the higher the temperature. I think I'll call that "Ohm to an electron." Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22349 Dated 22:53:06 10-09-91 -> 22354 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: T A WATERS (X) Re: WILDE WILDE WEST I just accessed Bartlett's (Not that I didn't trust you) and you were absolutly right. He said that in Lady Windermere's Fan. Interestingly enough (at least to me) he also said "The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it" in "The Picture of Dorian Gray." Which reminds me, I have an old copy of Microsoft Bookshelf on CD if anyone wants one. It seems silly for me to have two copies. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22350 Dated 23:10:06 10-09-91 22282 <--> 22383 From: JIM SISTI To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: CARD ERASERS I had Doc Eason here with me all day Monday. I've had all the puns I need for the next decade, thank you very much. Seriously, thanks for helping. I located some at a gift shop in Vegas but they want too much money and won't tip the supplier. Msg #22351 Dated 23:32:55 10-09-91 22302 <--> 22353 From: EVAN KATZ To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: M A G I C Interesting... In a spare playing field, you'd think everyone would just be happy there was a new player! Msg #22353 Dated 23:42:31 10-09-91 22340 <--> 22377 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: M A G I C Of course Stan intends to make a financial profit from the magazine. My point was that I don't believe that is his primary motivation. Msg #22354 Dated 23:42:45 10-09-91 22349 <--> 22356 From: EVAN KATZ To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: WILDE WILDE WEST How convenient and how quick is it to access "Bartlett's" on CD-ROM? And for the other reference work in that, and other packages? Am thinking of taking the plunge, and would me most interested in your thoughts. Msg #22356 Dated 0:35:29 10-10-91 22354 <--> 22361 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: WILDE WILDE WEST It sort of depends on your system. I have an internal CD ROM that is meant to go with my machine. I had a different 386 system a while back that had so many different drivers (One is needed for the CD drive) that I was messed up with regular ram. Right now, my CD drive is designated as the D: drive, and all I have to do is treat it like another disk drive. It is extemely easy to use, and very convient to have CD ROM access. The price is also down to the $200 to $400 range, which makes it somewhat affordable. But like buying a stereo CD Player, the expense is not the drive, but the CDs that go with it. They run from $30 (public domain programs on disk) to thousands of dollars each. If you're ever in Riverside, I'd be more than happy to give you a demonstration of what it can and can't do. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22357 Dated 3:04:54 10-10-91 22344 <--> 22382 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! This is a new message but on my laptop I can't use IMP and get in the way I can with the later (larger) version at home. We had literally an advisory board meeting in Lance Burton's audience. Burt "Fireworks" Carpenter, David (the other one), David the real one, Burton (The Bizzare one), Biro-San and The TABMAN. . The review. . We all thought the show was swell. . Mike Caveney was at the early show, then had to go work at the Hilton (Mobil Oil Trade show). And... the Bud-Magician wuz there too, but the Stolichnoya on the Rocks Geno Munari kept giving me has erased his name from my RAM.... ;+) . We got there too late to see old pal, Fernando Keops, from Mexico City do his lecture for Gary Darwin, who said, "My wife asked me to paint the house but I told her I would take a picture of it!" ARGH!!!! . And I replied with my latest. "I got a card with my new driver's license to list any organs I would like to donate... so I am going to leave my ribs to Tony Roma!" . Luckily Nurse Hogeboom (of the Magic Plumbers was here to keep us all in line).... and Hardeen (the real one) (Bill Wells) stopped for a minute to visit while taking Melinda's Horse home????? True. . Well it is almost 4 am, Tabby and I have headed to the Lilly White Sheets, while the Frog is out looking for an all-night Chinese Restaurant. (I told him to buy a wok!) G'nite all.... Msg #22358 Dated 5:57:20 10-10-91 -> 22384 From: CHARLIE RANDALL To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: ORDER Ok, I'll get it in the mail today. I'll also include the Knuthe material on force books/magazines if you're still interested. Speaking of which if you'd like to know, I know where there are a bunch of force books for sale by a friend of mine. Let me know if you are interested. Thanks. Charlie Msg #22361 Dated 12:02:22 10-10-91 22356 <- From: EVAN KATZ To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: WILDE WILDE WEST Thanks, Kevin. I'll keep the CD-ROM eye open! Msg #22362 Dated 13:15:00 10-10-91 -> 22385 From: PETE BIRO To: ALL Re: FROG GONE! The Frog is airborn. We spent all remaining funds at Gamblers Book Club in Vegas... NOW WE SHAL WIN.... Hey, that's what the book sez! Tabman found some early edition stuff in the locked case... and I found all four books on my list in the "used back room".... or is it the Back used room? Look out for Carpenter he has a computer system now for BJ. Off to see Geno's dem of the "early" black jack computer that you wear under your coat. Hmmmmmmmm then to (can't tell ya yet...) adios. Msg #22363 Dated 13:26:23 10-10-91 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: LVREVIEW Pete, Thanks from all of us stuck in the real world for your review of Vegas! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #22364 Dated 14:21:48 10-10-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC! IN L.V. Weeeeee're back..... Just got in from Burbank (105 deg) and started the air conditioner. Can't even check mail or compose replies at the moment as keyboard is melting and sticking to my flingers. Please tell all that it was certainly a great event and that I miss everyone already. Tell Tab to keep it to quarters and to hurry back. Later. Msg #22365 Dated 16:36:36 10-10-91 22343 <--> 22366 From: STAN LAKE To: STEVE BRYANT (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE I wouldn't mind posting some sort of a synopsis for you but your last line is an important consideration. Maybe Max SHOULD be the only one to comment. If he doesn't mind I will go ahead and give you more details. One thing I can say though is that if another performer were to take Max's show and do it line for line, trick for trick, he would NOT have the same impact nor receive as much positive response from the audience. The way Max looks, speaks, his timing, the way he carries himself, etc. is a very large part of what makes his show so great aside from the effects themselves. It just occured to me that Max could probably make an entertaining show out of a "Mr. Magician" magic set found in any toy store! I can't place enough emphasis on how great his showmanship and the performance aspect of his show is. Msg #22366 Dated 17:50:17 10-10-91 22365 <--> 22368 From: MAX MAVEN To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE Go ahead; I'll be curious to see what you remember. Msg #22368 Dated 20:16:26 10-10-91 22366 <--> 22378 From: STAN LAKE To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE OK Max, I'll relate to the best of my recollection what the effects are in your show presently running at the Ice House. Without getting in to the presentational aspects this will be very dry reading. A spectator who remained seated names a card. Max fans the deck back outwards and runs his finger along the cards until she says stop. She stops him on the card she named. A spectator briefly shuffles and has a free choice of a card which he retains possession of. A second spectator peeks at a card and then shuffles the deck. Max looks through the deck once and announces the second spectators card is a certain number from the top of the deck. Cards are counted and there it is. Max then announces in that same single look through the deck he knows which single card is missing and announces it. Another spectator comes up and takes 5 cards from the deck. Max stands at the foot of the stage facing the audience and has his female volunteer (at least in the show I saw it was a female!) stand very close behind him and just scan over the 5 cards. From the audiences perspective it looked like Max not only correctly read her mind as to what the cards were but also which one she was merely looking at each time. A prediction sealed in an envelope was given to a man to hold while Max started to page through a tabloid paper until a spectator stopped him. He ripped out the page and continued to rip the page in half and half again always throwing away the part the spectator didn't want. This continued until there was only a small bit left with one word. Something like 50,000 words in the tabloid and she ended up with that one. It was found to match the prediction written in the envelope held from before the start of the trick. Two more ladies with handbags were asked to come up and he instructed them to place a half dollar over each eye socket and seal them down with wide strips of tape. He then proceeded to describe items the spectators took from their handbags. He next had one of the ladies draw a design on a piece of stiff paper and had the paper placed face down on a mans lap in the audience. He correctly reproduced the drawing on another piece of paper. To the best of my recollection (which isn't all that swell after a few drinks) that was the content of the show I saw a couple of weeks ago. If I didn't have relatives coming to visit us from out of town with their entourage of children I would be seeing him again this Sunday. If anybody hasn't seen him that is in the area you only have one more night this coming Sunday the 19th to catch him at the Ice House in Pasadena. Msg #22369 Dated 20:21:42 10-10-91 -> 22373 From: STAN LAKE To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: YOUR TRAINING Just wondering Max, have you taken any acting classes or voice training or other related subjects to improve on your performance? Anything along those lines that you can or do recommend? Msg #22370 Dated 20:25:51 10-10-91 -> 22386 From: STAN LAKE To: ALL Re: TOPIT TAILOR I mentioned before about what a great job Ramon Galindo does in making topits. I sent off my new tux to him last week saying how I needed it ASAP for an upcoming show. He got it last S aturday and shipped it back to me the following Monday. He even did some extra custom work I wanted at no extra charge. I recommend him HIGHLY. His address is: Ramon Galindo, Ace Custom Tailoring, 209 W. 5th St., Austin, Texas, 78701. (512) 478-9965. Msg #22373 Dated 21:06:21 10-10-91 22369 <- From: MAX MAVEN To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: YOUR TRAINING My experience in formal acting classes is limited to several months' work in a course back in my teens. I have never taken voice lessons. However, related to this is a relatively extensive involvement with acting in both high school and college plays, work as a radio announcer, and professional singing work. All of these activities provided valuable learning opportunities. Msg #22375 Dated 23:11:05 10-10-91 -> 22642 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: MAGIC! NIGHT OUT I just wanted to thank you for contributing to the Magic! experience in Vegas. You proved to me that you don't need cards or coins to perform "Close up". I really enjoyed your crystal divination, and your rework of a standard dealers item into a thing of beauty. Your "Acorn Amulet" lent a wonderful touch. Thanks again for an enjoyable evening. David (the other one) Msg #22376 Dated 23:11:16 10-10-91 -> 22654 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: THIS IS FOR TABMAN Tabby, wherever you are, I wanted to thank you too for a great time in Vegas. (you too Pete) It's too bad we didn't have more time to delve deeper into the answers to Life, the Universe and Everything. I think I can help you with your complete set of ten Indian rings like we talked about. Just a few technical questions: How many rings are single and how many are paired? Are any of them "gold" vs the standard color? Can they be marked (bands maybe) to identify them in case the sets are separated in shipment? If you can give me an estimate on shipping costs and packaging when you get home, I'll do my best to accomodate the entire "set". (this is going to drive our guys NUTS, "I thought the rings were Chinese?") Bye for now, David (the other one) Msg #22377 Dated 23:11:35 10-10-91 22269 <--> 22379 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: M A G I C Hi Evan, Now that I've had my attitude "adjusted" by a night out with Biro and Co., I feel better about trying to answer your questions. Yes, I guess I did come across a little too harsh, but on rereading my own message, I still tend to agree with my first impressions. RE: Compared to what? I'll have to fill you in a little. Before I even heard of Genii, Linking Ring, etc., my first major magic buy was a nearly complete original set of Jinx. Reading the somewhat strong opinions of Anneman made me feel like this was what real writing should be like. Tell it like it is, or at least how the writer perceives it to be, good or bad. I guess I'm just getting tired of most of the reviewers nowadays praising everything they see. As the editorial in M A G I C even stated, this is a disservice to those of us that rely on honest opinions to guide us on whether or not we should invest our own hard earned money. If I bought everything the "reviewers" recommended, I wouldn't have any money left for food or rent! It just seemed that when the magazine itself has to express such an opinion , and it hits so close to home, something's just not right. As I quoted, Burger even admonishes Weber to "sharpen his sword". I just received this month's Genii, and even though nearly all the reviews were again all positive, at least I felt like they gave me a truer feel of what I would be getting for my money. Dante is doing a great job turning around his magazine and I just hope Stan can truly be an "independent" magazine and not worry quite so much about possibly hurting someone's feelings. As far as production quality and content of the articles, I have no complaint. It's a beautifully made piece, as are most other "In-Flight" magazines I've read. It's very pleasing to the eye, careful not to offend anyone. Does that make sense? I may have some trouble explaining it all clearly. Let's talk some more, maybe I can clarify further. Looking forward to your reply, David (the other one) Msg #22378 Dated 23:56:45 10-10-91 22368 <--> 22381 From: EVAN KATZ To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE Sounds like a terriffic show! I'd be there, but for the impending nuptials. Msg #22379 Dated 23:59:21 10-10-91 22377 <--> 22404 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X) Re: M A G I C Listen, I agree that the reviews are soft -- but I guess I accept it as an inevitability in such a small field. Pretty much ALL the major trade mags that I can think of out there -- cars, stereo, etc., seem to have the same kind of gentle tone when it comes to reviewing products made my people who are paying for the ads! I think, however, that Genii is full of just as much puffery -- and if there's a difference, it's a subtle one. Genii is also filled with a lot of stuff that is basically fraternal, and while this does no one any harm, it is stuff that I don't care about, and thus have to wade through. But this is admittedly a small, perhaps unimportant point. My overwhelming feeling about M A G I C is happiness -- because there's another player in the game. I really do think it means more for us. And I don't think TOO many people are going to cancel GENII and only get M A G I C -- although I may be wrong. More likely in my mind is that people will do what I did -- find another $30 a year, and just get them both! And whatever competition IS generated will be good for both mags. This I truly believe. What I like about M A G I C is its glossiness -- and I don't mean this to mean facile or shallow -- I mean it is clearly and sparingly presented. Everything in it is quality. I hope it stays around a long time. Msg #22381 Dated 7:36:59 10-11-91 22368 <--> 22410 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE Stan - You're doin' good! Posting lots of stuff lately. I have one little technical problem with your word processor created stuff - one which I am also going to try to work on from my end, but that maybe you can look at from yours as well - your word processor is throwing the deadly End of File character into the message as the last character you send. In the case of the message this is appended to, it occurs right after the period after "Pasadena." on the last line. I don't know if you have any way to surpress the EOF, but, if you do, it would help! That character hits other people's word processors and tells it that the file is finished! I can get rid of it when I compile the messages, but not while they are live on the system. Again, I don't know if you can do anything about it, but it would probably help a lot of folks if you could! Msg #22382 Dated 7:47:07 10-11-91 22357 <--> 22396 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Frog found the all-night Chinese resturant along with what may have been a case of food poisoning! Just begining to recover now. Also, my copy of the souvenir picture we took seems to have vanished, so I can't scan it in - if anyone finds it, please let me know. Msg #22383 Dated 7:52:40 10-11-91 22350 <--> 22413 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JIM SISTI (X) Re: CARD ERASERS Jim - I ran short of time in the less than 24 hours I was in Vegas, but I did take a look at the "Novelties - Wholesale" listings in the phone book and there are about a dozen of 'em. I'll bet that one of 'em probably has a line on the erasers you are looking for. Perhaps either David VanVranken or Geno can toss you a copy of that list. Msg #22384 Dated 7:55:32 10-11-91 22358 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: ORDER Thanks for sending the books and for including the Knuthe material. I really appreciate it. I could be interested in the force books your friend has if the price is right and if they are ones that would be believable. Msg #22385 Dated 7:59:11 10-11-91 22362 <--> 22423 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FROG GONE! Damn!, but it sounds like you guys are havin' fun now that I'm goned! That little unit that Geno has - the first electronic blackjack computer ever caught in Nevada - is REALLY interesting - wish I'd had the time to see it inside. Geno says it originally cost $100,000 and is certainly a nice item in his collection. One of life's little drawbacks is never having enough time to spend with Geno, a really incredible and wonderful guy. I'm really looking forward to seeing him this next week at the Castle and at the SPECIAL MAGIC! LUNCHEON on the 18th. Once again though, life intervenes in the ability to just hang out with him - wife leaves on business trip on 13th, her folks arrive via air express on 15th, got out of town visitors on 16th, AARRRGGGGHHHHH! (tm - Biro). Msg #22386 Dated 8:06:52 10-11-91 22370 <--> 22619 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: TOPIT TAILOR Thanks for the referal on Galindo, Stan. Have always heard nothing but good about his work. Enjoy the new tux! Msg #22387 Dated 9:34:47 10-11-91 -> 22393 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Having gone through the weekend and then a three day course on total quality management (we are trying to use Japanese management techniques) this message I am responding to is now a week old and I am getting some rather humorous thoughts when I try to figure out what it is that I should hold up to the light and see that the difference is internal....and that the brain size is different. What could this be? Frogs and snakes? Users on the board? Magicians and normal folk? Msg #22388 Dated 9:35:12 10-11-91 -> 22391 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS If you mean the formal reply from he and Jep, the answer is yes I did get a copy. If you are talking about something else, I didn't ge t it. Msg #22390 Dated 9:35:40 10-11-91 -> 22426 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOPIT I thought you should remember the Mullica bottle from the egg bag! Hey...you and I both heard the Mullica has a backer story at the same time! I have no doubt that Tommy will kill 'em in a Vegas venue, but is he gonna go at the pace he did at the Tomfoolery? If so, he will kill himself! Sooner or later his energy level is gonna fail him. He was working at a killer rate in Atlanta. Msg #22391 Dated 9:35:57 10-11-91 -> 22392 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS That's FUNNY I thought FINNEY was FENNY but both FINNEY and FENNY are FUNNY! Msg #22392 Dated 9:36:09 10-11-91 -> 22428 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Didn't WC Fields orignate the cigar boxes juggling routine? Msg #22393 Dated 9:36:15 10-11-91 -> 22398 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG I am sure that a number of caterers have probably used the "moveable feast" name....unless the Hemmingway estate sues folks who use the title. Be careful ... your Egg Fo' You recipe might be capable of initiating other types of movements... Msg #22394 Dated 9:36:31 10-11-91 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BILL SWITCH You are preaching to the choir on bill switches...I have always felt the thumb tip method for a switch of a single bill was challenging the spectator to discover the method. However, with a different presentation such as a ten to two fives and NOT done in a slow, studied fashion then the tip can be the way to go. Msg #22395 Dated 9:36:44 10-11-91 -> 22430 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Not a bad idea on using uniform sized envelopes to put varying size items like instructions into for filing. Lecture notes, while not entirely uniform in size, pose no problem for me simply filing them behind A-B-C dividers. The filing cabinet is Maximum utilization of the space needed for the stuff. Don't forget ideas like putting a filing cabinet in a closet or under stairs. Also don't just think of 4 drawer high ones. Use two 2-drawer cabinets either as end tables in work room or get an unfinished door and put on top of a pair of 2-drawer cabinet to make table or work bench. Get locking cabinets....not so much for security but so drawers don't roll out when you are moving it around. Msg #22396 Dated 9:37:12 10-11-91 -> 22397 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Tabby...talk to Scotty before trying to work out what to do on combo of close up pad and dice stacking surface. We worked out all the options on this in the seventies and settled on a close up pad that was simply flipped over to do dice stacking. Scotty still uses one. Msg #22397 Dated 9:37:27 10-11-91 -> 22408 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! TAbbo ...see my message to Pete on this. Save yerself a lot of development time by talking to Scotty. Msg #22398 Dated 9:37:36 10-11-91 -> 22400 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Quite a tale! That original 10-in-1 show also resulted in the supposedly captive audience getting up and leaving as I recall! I also figure that Moses really beat Tarbell on the lecture bit...howsomever it was just too tough making copies of those stone tablets he came down with to pitch as lecture notes. Msg #22399 Dated 9:37:50 10-11-91 -> 22403 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAX MAVEN You me that great bit about the kids using the walls and then they were demolished (the walls that is). Great story but hell to find sufficient venues for a big market effort. Msg #22400 Dated 9:37:59 10-11-91 -> 22401 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Harrumpt!! Msg #22401 Dated 12:09:00 10-11-91 22387 <--> 22402 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG TQM, hmmm? Guess you folks are getting ready for the Japanese buyout of your agency. Meanwhile, you should figure out how we could apply TQM to magic - now that would really be interesting! Msg #22402 Dated 12:12:16 10-11-91 22398 <--> 22424 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG Interesting to note that copies of those lecture notes are still eagerly sought by collectors, even though the methods were hardly explained at all. Msg #22403 Dated 12:17:15 10-11-91 22399 <--> 22825 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MAX MAVEN Yeah, I know - getting to tear apart a hotel during a con, with the owner's consent - is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Still - keep your eyes out for such a venue as the possibilities for using it are endless! Walls can be gaffed, vanished, etc.! Lots of recent remodeling in Vegas, so maybe you can't do it for IBM but you can shop for such a venue for DMS. Msg #22404 Dated 15:04:27 10-11-91 22379 <--> 22405 From: DAVID VANVRANKEN To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: M A G I C I guess we can agree on the inevitability of another "soft" magazine. I just wasn't ready to welcome another one quite so easily. You're right, nobody is going to cancel Genii or M A G I C for that matter, myself included. Maybe I was hoping for a little more. David (the other one) Msg #22405 Dated 15:33:07 10-11-91 22338 <--> 22407 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: M A G I C Are you suggesting that Stan's primary motivation for starting M A G I C was a less significant one? Msg #22406 Dated 15:34:50 10-11-91 22305 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SWAP MEET You will be happy to know that M A G I C, GENII, AND LINKING RING have now all arrived! The new (October) Genii has got to be seen to be believed! A killer cover - very, very pro - with a black and white of Joe Givan against a color background of a galaxy with the Genii logo. Strong stuff! And the first look says the inside - 64 pages - looks like strong stuff too. Msg #22407 Dated 15:42:17 10-11-91 22302 <--> 22673 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: M A G I C This second issue of M A G I C appears to have a much better Inside Magic section than the first issue did. The listings of who is appearing where are back, thank goodness! Msg #22408 Dated 15:45:53 10-11-91 22357 <--> 22412 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Was going to write up my review of Wednesday in Las Vegas, but it looks like you've said it all! Is there any chance you can call Pat's Chinese Resturant and see if I left my copy of the group picture there? I think that is the most likely place and would really appreciate it if you would check. I was going to scan it in so everyone could see our happy smiling faces. Msg #22409 Dated 15:51:16 10-11-91 -> 22419 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: ENCYCLOPEDIA If anyone is looking for one of the increasingly rare copies of T A Water's Encyclopedia of Magic and Magicians, Gamblers Book Club (1-800-634-6243 - 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Las Vegas time) had one copy each of the hardbound ($ 35) and the paperback ($ 19.95). Didn't have any copies of Whaley's reference books. Msg #22410 Dated 16:09:06 10-11-91 22378 <--> 22411 From: STAN LAKE To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE Don't worry Evan, Max will (hopefully!) make another appearance. You (hopefully!!) will not have another nuptial! Msg #22411 Dated 16:11:20 10-11-91 22381 <--> 22416 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE I have many different word processors to choose from but the one I upload from is the one I am most familiar with. I will try to post a couple of private messages to you created on a couple of other different word processors and see if that helps. I don't know what makes an end of file character in my word processor, can you tell me an easy way to find out? By the way, I use PFS First Choice if that's any help. Msg #22412 Dated 16:17:20 10-11-91 22408 <--> 22417 From: STAN LAKE To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! The Lance Burton show was "Swell"- that's it? Did you or anyone get a chance to talk to Lance after the show as you had hoped? Msg #22413 Dated 16:22:59 10-11-91 22383 <--> 22509 From: JIM SISTI To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CARD ERASERS Thanks, David. Your efforts are certainly appreciated! Msg #22416 Dated 17:21:14 10-11-91 22411 <--> 22421 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE Some word processors put it (an end of file character) in the file and some don't. Also, some communications programs pass the character on and some don't, so it is kind of hard to say. Let's check with the private messages and see if we can get rid of the little bugger! Msg #22417 Dated 17:22:50 10-11-91 22408 <--> 22418 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Will ask Geno to look next Wed. Msg #22418 Dated 17:23:10 10-11-91 22412 <--> 22422 From: PETE BIRO To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Yes, we had a long talk with Lance. It was nice. Msg #22419 Dated 17:23:39 10-11-91 22409 <--> 22435 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ENCYCLOPEDIA Gee I didn't know that, why didn't you tell me while we wuz there. Msg #22421 Dated 17:24:38 10-11-91 22381 <--> 22436 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE Tabman hit for 200 quarters on one pull, leaving the Trop... now he is "winning dinner" at the black jack table.... We struck Gold today finding some stuff in the back room at a casino equipment factory! A friend brought us in the back door! Msg #22422 Dated 17:24:45 10-11-91 22382 <--> 22427 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! You know it didn't dawn on me but the Gold Coast (and Barbary Coast) -- same owner -- has the BEST CHINEE FOOD IN AMERICA... AND ARE OPEN 24 HRS.... Where I am staying!!! Tsk.. hope you ok, now.... Msg #22423 Dated 17:24:51 10-11-91 22385 <--> 22437 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: FROG GONE! Called Geno on His Cellular and he was backstage somewhere just about to "do a show".... he is taking care of us at Melinda's tonite. I got my client with me, big time! Ho.... Msg #22424 Dated 17:24:57 10-11-91 22387 <--> 22666 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG I understand the Japanese want to buy the Baltic States, and are checking Gorby to see if they will take a couple of U.S. Cities in on trade.... . I am going to sign the Organ Doner card I got in the mail, leaving my Ribs to Tony Roma. . Rim shot, with drum? Msg #22426 Dated 17:25:14 10-11-91 22390 <--> 22827 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: TOPIT I guess I missed the full story in Vegas as to the $ for Mullica... remember I don't hear well out of one ear.... Msg #22427 Dated 17:22:28 10-11-91 22412 <--> 22431 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Yes, we did talk to Lance after the show. I think we'll all have more to say as we return and recover. There are some absolutely great bits in his show and it is going to have to be a balance between discussing it and, like with a book report, ruining it for when you might go see it. Msg #22428 Dated 17:25:19 10-11-91 22391 <--> 22429 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Phooney.... yo..... tabman and I went to a casino supply factory and found the original stencils for the FARO layouts... and they made two for us in one day (we picked them up already) Killer Quality... We can get as many as we want later. Msg #22429 Dated 17:25:26 10-11-91 22392 <--> 22663 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS Don't know if he ORIGINATED IT, but he was the FUNNIEST... Msg #22430 Dated 17:25:31 10-11-91 22395 <--> 22659 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: FORCE BOOKS Sounds like you have read the Sunset Book of Storage ideas. Wow! Msg #22431 Dated 17:25:35 10-11-91 22396 <--> 22433 From: PETE BIRO To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Tabby is downstairs winning at blackjack while I am responding here. I showed him some hot tips on dice stacking today. I got a cup taht has some super secret casino work in it.... for stacking and rollin' Msg #22433 Dated 17:28:22 10-11-91 22417 <--> 22434 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! OK - I'll call Pat's and see if they found it and ask them to hold it for Geno. I can't think of anywhere else I may have left it. Msg #22434 Dated 17:29:20 10-11-91 22422 <--> 22440 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I THOUGHT that the Gold Coast and Barbary Coast had all night Chinese food, but everyone said the place that we went was so great! Actually, what happened was that everyone was talking up their midnight buffet, but, it seems, they did away with that, so we went to the coffee shop where they had Chinese food. Msg #22435 Dated 17:31:00 10-11-91 22419 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ENCYCLOPEDIA !!! I showed it (T A's Encyclopedia) to someone while we were there - I think to Burt. Well, you are still in town, so you could stop by again and pick it up. Msg #22436 Dated 17:32:24 10-11-91 22421 <--> 22834 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE WOW! Wish I was still there! Of course, I was out of action, recovering, most of the day and also had to do some work, but I sure miss you guys. 200 quarters on one pull, huh? Sounds kinda typical! Tab walked over to a slot _at_ _the_ _airport_ - where the odds are about a million to one - and said, "Wait a minute, I gotta get the cab fare." AND HE DID - one pull got him about a buck, then he shoved that back in and got about ten bucks for the cab. Kept doin' stuff like that (except the one row of machines I told him not to try - he did anyway and pumped about $5 back in without a single win). BUT you gotta keep him offa those tables! Remind him he said he wasn't gonna do that! Msg #22437 Dated 17:35:51 10-11-91 22423 <--> 22510 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: FROG GONE! Please give Melinda my regards and tell her that we miss her here on MAGIC! We're holding her place for her whenever she can log back in. Msg #22440 Dated 21:04:22 10-11-91 22427 <--> 22441 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! You talked to Lance? I didn't see him... where was he? I was playing cards and lost too... foooo Msg #22441 Dated 21:04:28 10-11-91 22434 <--> 22442 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Tabby sed Burt C might have the pic, he sed it was in the room. Msg #22442 Dated 21:25:20 10-11-91 22440 <--> 22443 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Actually, Lance asked us to distract you so that he could talk to us - he said something about "That Biro never lets me get a word in edgewise." I just realized that Geno will NOT be going to the Chinese resturant on Wednesday unless he plans to do his show at the Castle and fly back for the meeting. I'll try to call Pat's to see if my picture is still there and maybe someone can pick it up for me? Msg #22443 Dated 21:27:40 10-11-91 22441 <--> 22455 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! OK, would appreciate it if you would confirm that my copy is in the room and that Tabby isn't stealing Burts. Would help me sleep if I knew that we had it. Msg #22444 Dated 22:40:37 10-11-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: WEATHER ALERT We are currently experiencing thunderstorms in the Los Angeles area (RAIN! RAIN!). It is suggested that you do NOT attempt long downloads for the next few hours and that you make note of the "Last msg you read" pointer in the Message Statistics area in the event of an abrupt call termination. It is our policy NOT to use auxilliary power in the event of a power failure during a thunderstorm. This is necessary because we cannot protect the telephone lines when using auxilliary power. Msg #22445 Dated 23:57:50 10-11-91 -> 22481 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MAGIC! III The weather has calmed a bit, so I have taken this opportunity to install the new hardware and software. You should find the system much faster and much more responsive. There are some new items that you will want to be aware of: 1) Because of the higher speed and the improved use of buffers you may notice some additional lines of information between the time you press Ctrl-K (as you might do to bypass the Welcome Screen) and the time that the data actually stops flowing. 2) The automatic mail check (at login) and the commands !, !!, and !!! have been enhanced to give you the opportunity to read the reported messages. If you respond to the "Read these messages now?" prompt with Y for Yes or by pressing the ENTER key, then the message read function will automatically present these messages to you. This will allow you to see messages addressed to you, and to reply to those messages, before you see other messages that are a part of the general conversation. The automatic mail check is still controlled by the MA options on the User Menu (U from the Main Menu). Members who typically read all public messages can use the MA command to turn off the automatic check. If you are using a logon script, you may need to modify it to take advantage of this new feature. Or you can go to the User Menu and turn the automatic mail check off. 3) The Forward and Backward commands in the Message Read sub-menu have been enhanced to reflect the difference between "expert" and "non- expert" users when either Forward or Back is used and there is no message that meets the request. Expert users will, as before, receive a message that no forward or backward message exists and the command prompt will be redisplayed. The last message read remains the current message, but to redisplay it an expert user must type L for List. Non-expert users will receive also receive the message that no forward or backward message exists, but the current message will be redisplayed on the screen. 4) The calculation of file download time for cases where the modem to host speed differs from the modem to modem speed has been corrected. This problem was especially noticeable when the modem to host speed was above 9600 bps. This calculation still does not attempt to factor in possible effective speed increases due to compression. 5) Some timeout code has been added to circumvent a very nasty problem caused by the PPI 9600SA modem, in which it goes on-hook with CD and DSR high and CTS low. When this occurs, the modem must be reset manually to clear this condition. Since this combination of signals is quite normal when the modem is on-line and has invoked hardware flow control because its output buffer is full, only an arbitrary timeout value can detect the problem. Unfortunately, this means that under certain error recovery cases, or when the remote user has used local flow control at the user end in order to be able to read something, the timeout may trigger. Several people have worked long and hard to bring this latest release of MAGIC! and the new hardware on-line. I hope that you will find the new features, the new speed, and the new performance to be of significant value. If you have any comments, questions, or problem reports, please leave a message for me. Msg #22446 Dated 0:25:08 10-12-91 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: MY LANCE BURTON SHOW REPO OK, we've stalled you long enough! Here's my report on the Lance Burton Show at the Hacienda. Lance is a wonderful guy and he has made a very gutsy career move in leaving a successful show, of which he was only one member, and starting his own show. He has done a wonderful job and has put together a number of terrific effects for the new show. The show we saw, the second one of the evening, was Lance's 3-month anniversary show and it was very good. But there are still parts that are under test and still some parts that are being changed. For example, during the first month Lance had a "white turkey" bit that was a spoof on Sigfried and Roy. In conversation with MAGIC! members he said that it went well for the first month because he was largely working for members of the magic community (the S.A.M. convention was in town and then there were a lot of magicians coming to see the show) but that when all the magicians left, it bombed with the lay audiences, so it is gone. He is still working on the show and still making changes. This means that the show has not quite come together yet and, frankly, that shows. There are portions, probably in newer bits, where Lance's patter is a bit stiff, where he seems nervous. There are still a few slips with lighting and staging too. But Lance is working hard on these things and the show is getting better day by day. My personal feeling is that Lance has yet to feel good about the show - he has yet to feel that he owns it. But when he does - when the changes are finished - and when Lance steps on stage and knows that he has a killer, when he feels fully comfortable with it, then watch out World! Msg #22455 Dated 4:11:52 10-12-91 22408 <--> 22461 From: GENO MUNARI To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! I will check Pat's place out for you Dave.......By the way for those that don't know, Pat's Chinese Kitchen is where Darwin's Magic Club m eets each Wed, at about 10:00 pm. S Er;22423 Cal is in......as we speak. S Msg #22456 Dated 4:46:36 10-12-91 -> 22480 From: STEPHEN WATSON To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: HELLO Hello Evan, Well Mountaineer Magic V, here in Martinsburg is history. We had some problems this year, but still made a few dollars for the club Hope to see you soon, I still am going to suprise you some day and show up at your shop. Steve Watson SAM #224, Martinsburg, WV Msg #22457 Dated 4:48:56 10-12-91 -> 22460 From: STEPHEN WATSON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: CAROL ROY Am glad to hear that Carol is on the mend. I was at Abbots this summer when she fell. I could tell something was wrong during their act, but did not know it was as serious as a broken leg. Keep up the good work, and I will check in periodically as this is a looooooooog distance call for me. Steve Watson Secretary, S.A.M. Assembly #224 Martinsburg, WV Msg #22458 Dated 4:51:55 10-12-91 -> 22483 From: STEPHEN WATSON To: ALL Re: OPEN DOOR This extends an invitation to any magicians traveling thru the beautiful and historic Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia to visit with the members of S.A.M. Assembly #224, in Martinsburg, West Virginia. We meet the 2nd Tuesday of the month (give me a call at (304) 274-1521) or drop us a note Steve Watson, Secretary S.A.M. Assembly #224 P.O. Box 3517 Martinsburg, WV 25401 Msg #22460 Dated 9:15:16 10-12-91 22457 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STEPHEN WATSON (X) Re: CAROL ROY Good to see you on-line, Stephen! Yes, Carol (Roy) is getting better. At first, she didn't know that her leg was fractured either. She didn't tell Marvyn until he noticed it during the show. Msg #22461 Dated 9:27:18 10-12-91 22455 <--> 22469 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Thank you, Geno. Pete left some kind of message that Tab might have said the photo was up in the room, but I'm not too sure it was real. Msg #22465 Dated 11:11:12 10-12-91 -> 22484 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON! *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** ANOTHER INCREDIBLE ************************** * * * MAGIC!(tm) EVENT * * * ************************** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! ! ! GENO MUNARI ! ! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAGIC! member GENO MUNARI will be performing in the Magic Castle Parlour showroom the week of OCTOBER 14th to 20th! There will be three shows a night, 7:45, 8:45, and 9:30. Guest arrangements can be made for amy MAGIC! members over the age of 21 who are not Castle members - leave a private message for the Sysop. BUT THERE IS MORE!!! MAGIC! will have a SPECIAL FRIDAY LUNCHEON to honor GENO on Friday, OCTOBER 18th at the Magic Castle. Geno is an outstanding MAGIC! member, and this is a chance for us to get together with him. Dress will be casual and membership in the Magic Castle is not required to attend this special no-host luncheon (but you must be 21 or older). In order to attend this luncheon, you MUST make a RESERVATION, by leaving a private message to the Sysop, no later than 11:59 p.m. on October 15th. Attendance will be limited and will be on a first come, first served basis, so MAKE YOUR RESERVATION NOW! *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** LAST CHANCE *** Msg #22469 Dated 16:33:15 10-12-91 22442 <--> 22470 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Tabman sed it was in the room and Burt probably has the picture! Msg #22470 Dated 16:33:18 10-12-91 22443 <--> 22472 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Can't confrim nuttin... WERE YOU ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF DOC PINGREE GETTIN IN THE CASTLE SAT. NITE???? Hope so... Msg #22472 Dated 16:33:27 10-12-91 22442 <--> 22474 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! TAbman and I up at 5:30 (got in at 1:30 after spending night seeing Melinda's show at the Sahara... KILLER SHOW... I told her that don't listen to me re Zombie... it is OK for her to keep doing it! The Diminishng Live Horse was great... lots of good stuff. Had never seen Anthony Gatto Juggle... a phenom.... the Argentine Cowboy act was great fun and a show stopper. . Melinda is working on new illusions and hopes to build up the magic content of the show... the dancers in here show are great and all look like they enjoy their work! . My guests were "knocked dead" by the show... Then, Bonny Saxe (Melinda's Mom) came out and brought us backstage for a visit, gave us T-Shirts, signed posters, etc. Really made us feel like important guests. Geno Munari helped paved the way and as we speak is driving to L.A. to get ready for his Castle shows... . We had TOO GOOD A TIME... comparing the last FOUR DAYS AND NIGHTS WITH REAL LIFE, IT DAWNED ON ME WHY BEING HOME IS SO BORING... . TABMAN IS A KILLER PHOTOG TOO... WE WORKED FROM 7 AYEM TO ABOUT 2 PM shooting race cars in the dusty desert and the Tabman had it handled and was working like a vet in no time at all. . There is too much to write about... just realize this board has brought together some great folks and we have had a great time. Next Year the MAGIC! trip to Vegas will be better than any convention ... trust me... Adios, got to take a nap and get ready to eat again. Flying home Sunday with the Tabman in tow.... adios.... Msg #22474 Dated 18:10:12 10-12-91 22469 <--> 22475 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Gee, sure wish I knew for sure what happened to that picture! Maybe Burt will let me know if he has it. Msg #22475 Dated 18:11:02 10-12-91 22472 <--> 22489 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MO MOJO!!!!! Glad to hear that you liked Melinda's show - I always enjoy it. She is a great performer with incredible energy. Sure wish I'd been able to stick around - someday I'll get a T-shirt or a poster too! Even the short time I was with y'all was GREAT! You are right - we really have put together some special people around here. Next scheduled MAGIC! get together in Vegas will be at the Desert Magic Seminar and I'm already looking forward to it. Msg #22477 Dated 19:37:45 10-12-91 -> 22482 From: STEVE BRYANT To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE Stan, Thanks for the Max Maven at the Ice House review. Just what I had in mind, and it really makes me wish I could have seen the show. I find it exciting that Max did numerous standup things with playing cards. I like card stuff myself -- when done entertainingly -- and feel that cards often get a bum rap from magicians and especially from mentalists. (There is a vocal contingent of mentalists who feel one MUST use Tarot cards rather than normal playing cards. I never bought their arguments.) Others who do standup with cards well? Ricky Jay, of course. But another that sticks out for me, even though I saw him do only a brief stint at a Desert Magic Seminar a couple of years ago, is Geno Munari. I envy you guys who are going to get to see his parlour act at the Castle, and hope you will be kind enough to the rest of us to provide a similar review. ** Getting back to Max, here's a question for Max and any other psychics on Magic! Who is lying -- Anita Hill or Clarence Thomas? Fascinating head to head conficting stories, and both sound credible. Back during Watergate, I always KNEW who was lying, and was eventually proven correct, but I just can't tell with these two characters. And we may never know unless one of them cracks. -- Steve Bryant Msg #22480 Dated 20:11:35 10-12-91 22456 <--> 22547 From: EVAN KATZ To: STEPHEN WATSON (X) Re: HELLO Stephen: I think you've got the wrong Evan. No, let me rephrase that -- I KNOW you've got the wrong Evan. I do, however, know of the existence of other Evan Katz's, and would appreciate some details about which one you're thinking of. What kind of shop do I, I mean does he, run? And where does he live? A-different-but-just-as-real Evan Katz Msg #22481 Dated 20:15:42 10-12-91 22445 <--> 22491 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC! III The new version of MAGIC! software is FANTASTIC! Thank you, David, and whoever else is repsonsible! Msg #22482 Dated 20:05:17 10-12-91 22477 <--> 22507 From: STAN LAKE To: STEVE BRYANT (X) Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE Many people, mentalists, etc. seem to shy away from card magic because they have suffered through too much bad card magic. Many people have an Uncle Fred who did lousy card tricks or worse yet an aspirin amateur magi who would try to show you his latest card trick right after he read the instructions. I too, like card magic and even a so-so trick can look like a miracle with the right presentation. Here's a new theory on the Thomas-Hill controversy. If a powerful special interest group or groups was nuts enough they could have put Ms. Hill under and with a combination of Drugs, Hypnosis and a bit of pain, given her this whole story as a post hypnotic suggestion. Some of her testimony was said to be almost word for word out of the script from the Exorcist movie and she doesn't seem to express a level of emotion you would expect from someone recounting such incidents. I don't know, sounds like the wildest theory I've heard up until now. Don't know if we'll ever get the real story. Inquiring minds want to know! Msg #22483 Dated 20:16:53 10-12-91 22458 <- From: EVAN KATZ To: STEPHEN WATSON (X) Re: OPEN DOOR That's very nice, Stephen! It's been a long time since we've seen each other -- you really DO have to drop by the shop soon! Msg #22484 Dated 20:17:38 10-12-91 22465 <--> 22492 From: EVAN KATZ To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON! I would LOVE to attend and meet Geno, but I am getting married a few days later, and the errands and last-minute things are already suffocating. Please give my regards to everyone! Msg #22491 Dated 1:04:06 10-13-91 22481 <--> 22532 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: MAGIC! III Thank you, Evan! I was begining to wonder if anyone noticed the difference! I guess that, if they wanted to, people could turn on the color menus and stuff... Msg #22492 Dated 1:05:30 10-13-91 22484 <--> 22508 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: EVAN KATZ (X) Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON! You really should make time, Evan. You need lunch that day anyway, and you will kick yourself forever after for not having lunch with Geno Munari, whereas a Wedding is, well, just a wedding. Msg #22499 Dated 1:17:00 10-13-91 -> 22537 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: ALL Re: CASTLE SHOWS Just got back from an evening at the Castle and thought I would report in - JOYCE BECK was BRILLIANT in close-up. Lots of good stuff and very well done. Poor kid was in the middle of a BILL SWITCH when the lights went out! Still, she carried off an excellent show. Palace this evening featured JEFF HOBSON as M.C., PETRICK AND MIA, and THE MALLOYS. I still don't like Hobson's choice of material - both the gay/bisexual bits and the Chinese bits come across to me as rude and insensitive - but he really is a brilliant, talented performer with great timing, delivery, and incredibly good body language. Frankly, I'm not so sure he is a good choice as an M.C. because he overpowers the acts - which I don't think an M.C. should do - but, then again, in this case, it was easy. Petrick and Mia were Petrick and Mia. The Malloys were a cute couple with some cute ideas, but I really think you should spend more than an hour from the time you buy your props to the time you do the show. CAROL ROY fans will be glad to know that she is recovering well. She is down to a bandage on her knee and is getting around just fine. She should be fully recovered in the not too distant future. ===END OF MAGIC-65===
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