MAGIC! - 66
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[NOTE: Messages #22500 through 22502 were personal and do not appear
here.]
Msg #22503 Dated 8:12:05 10-13-91 22461 <--> 22504
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I'll do my best to find that picture for you if you can't locate it.
PS- remember I think I also took a decent picture of you guys...the "
guys who took Las Vegas without hostages!
Msg #22505 Dated 8:12:20 10-13-91 22472 <--> 22506
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I have arrived in LA, and I guess I will give you guys a description
of my travels, much like you did on the Vegas junket. I will say
that I am slightly shocked at the freeway driving, to say the least.
I feel like wrong way Corrigan.
I love the nail trick Pete, I had it on my forehead while driving and
dopping out the moves.......this trick is great.
Just got up and will be going to Mrina Del Rey for lunch, then off to
Burbank and Warners.
Msg #22506 Dated 8:12:34 10-13-91 22475 <--> 22512
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
They are holding a T-Shirt for you, plus cards and posters. I'll
make sure you get them.
Msg #22507 Dated 8:12:40 10-13-91 22477 <--> 22546
From: GENO MUNARI
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE
Thanks for the nice comments. Hope to meet you this week.
Msg #22508 Dated 8:12:45 10-13-91 22484 <--> 22531
From: GENO MUNARI
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
The very best to you and your future to be.
Msg #22509 Dated 8:12:50 10-13-91 22383 <--> 22518
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CARD ERASERS
Let me know and I will be happy to help when I return to TBCOTA, the
(best city of them all)
Msg #22510 Dated 8:12:57 10-13-91 22385 <--> 22511
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FROG GONE!
Pete, as we speak, I am looking for an article on faro that I wrote.
As soon as I locate I will upload it.
Msg #22511 Dated 8:13:03 10-13-91 22423 <--> 22555
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROG GONE!
Pete...as I told you that showa was worth a million, because in the
audience was Sam Berland's sister, who I did not know lived in LV.
She was really special, and showed her personally signed book to me
from Sam. Just great.....she was about 92.
Msg #22512 Dated 12:29:48 10-13-91 22503 <--> 22513
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Don't worry too much about the picture, Geno. If the guys have it,
fine. If not, I think that Jerry Burton, Burt Carpenter, and David
VanVranken each have copies of it. And yes, I think that you also took
a picture of the dynamic septuple! Seems to me that I remember Hardeen
balancing a camera on the spare tire on your Bronco.
Msg #22513 Dated 12:32:36 10-13-91 22505 <--> 22514
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
When (If) you have some spare time while you are here, Geno, give me a
call at 818-899-8812.
Msg #22514 Dated 12:33:39 10-13-91 22512 <--> 22515
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Yes, I tried to up load a file to messages out of wordperfect, and may
have jammed the system??????? I'll try something diff.....
Msg #22515 Dated 12:33:45 10-13-91 22506 <--> 22517
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Geno, you are incredible! I'm a big fan of Melinda's and will really
enjoy some of her memorabilia.
Msg #22517 Dated 13:04:40 10-13-91 22514 <--> 22542
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I don't think your message jammed the system, but it appears that
something did at about 8:30 this morning. I'm trying to find out what
happened. Did I ever mention that I hate computers?
Msg #22518 Dated 13:06:28 10-13-91 22509 <--> 22653
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CARD ERASERS
Thanks, Geno. Jim Sisti is looking for a supplier for a fairly large
order of erasers with a card on them. When I was in Vegas I noticed a
number of listings under "Novelties - Wholesale" that might be of use
to him. A photocopy of that page of the phone book is probably all he
needs.
Msg #22522 Dated 16:42:00 10-13-91 -> 22527
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: GREAT SHOW!!!
MAGIC!-NL Sun 13 Oct 91 01:35
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
David,
Before I could even read your message about the new hardware I
already realized it must have been installed. Messages flew over
my screen like bees to honey!!
Within 1 minute I was finished. Never happened to me before
although the nr of messages was not that high.
Furthermore I did not see any problem. Everything works fine.
Thanks from my side to you and all that helped you!!!
Arnaud
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Msg #22525 Dated 16:42:30 10-13-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FUGITIVE COINS
MAGIC!-NL Wed 09 Oct 91 23:12
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Holland has coins whcih would fit the subscription! I think there
are many countries, certainly in Europe. Succes with it!
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Msg #22527 Dated 17:01:16 10-13-91 22522 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: GREAT SHOW!!!
GREAT! I'm glad to hearing that it is working, Arnaud. We are still
finding a few "bugs" but we are working them out. Also, I have
approached some people about your alternate transfer plan - we will
have to see what happens.
Msg #22529 Dated 17:57:08 10-13-91 -> 22534
From: DAVID SACKS
To: SYSOP
Re: JSUT A NOTE TO SAY HI
Just a note to say hi. Haven't been on board lately.....That's an
under statement. I work with these machines (computers) and get tired
of them. In addition, I have working overtime a fair amount lately
which leaves little time for my family. Hence time is gone before I
know it. Have thought of you all however.
Take care,
David Sacks]
Msg #22531 Dated 18:46:45 10-13-91 22508 <--> 22549
From: EVAN KATZ
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
Thank you, Geno. Looking forward to meeting you one day.
Msg #22532 Dated 18:48:42 10-13-91 22491 <--> 22535
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC! III
Turn on the color menus? How?
Msg #22533 Dated 19:05:58 10-13-91 -> 22536
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: GOOD LUCK
Geno,
Sorry -- we won't get to meet next week as I am stuck
out here in Indiana, but all best wishes on your Magic
Castle engagement. Is it fair to announce, by the way,
that you beat us all to Biro's copy of the Martin Nash
book? The last time I saw Martin work was a year ago
September. He was doing the overflow crowds in the
Wine Cellar. These days, it seems that most advise
magicians to throw a lot of showbiz into their acts,
with all sorts of production values, etc. It also
seems that the only way to get booked anywhere is as a
comedian (or comic-magician, etc.). In contrast,
Martin worked very quietly, didn't do anything overtly
comedic (except for the laughs born of astonishment),
and absolutely thrilled the Wine Cellar audience with
some very pure card magic. It was this performance
that renewed my interest in his work. According to a
recent conversation with Stephen Minch, all the Martin
Nash books written by Stephen are still in print.
*
Again, have a great week. If you get the chance, ask
T.A. Waters to show you the new library. It's
impressive.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #22534 Dated 19:25:49 10-13-91 22529 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID SACKS
Re: JSUT A NOTE TO SAY HI
It was good to see you back on-line, David (The other other one!). I
know what you mean about computers - Personally, I've been tired of
them since about 1972! But then again, I'm also tired of crowded
freeways and sales tax.
Msg #22535 Dated 19:28:00 10-13-91 22532 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: MAGIC! III
Ah! To turn on the color menus, you go to the User Menu (Type U and
press ENTER from the Main Menu) and pick ANSI Graphics ON and turn
EXTENDED GRAPHICS ON. Poof! You should have color! From that same
menu, you can also change your mail reading options, if you don't like
getting a list of messages for you up front, eliminate the menus
altogether if you know them by heart (or have them printed on a little
piece of paper attached to your monitor) by turning EXPERT MODE ON, and
a few other nice things.
Msg #22536 Dated 19:30:57 10-13-91 22533 <--> 22559
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: GOOD LUCK
I spoke briefly with Martin last night and just caught the end of his
act downstairs (he said he wasn't going to do it that night and then
changed his mind). I agree with you that watching him work is a
pleasure. There is, of course, some good comedy (some of it even
connected with magic) around, but my contention has always been that a
lot of "comedy" is simply a cheap way to overcome deficits in one's
performance. As you mentioned, however, if you can fit enough cheap
comedy into your act (enough of it and you won't even need an act!) you
can always earn a living at a comedy club.
Msg #22537 Dated 20:16:57 10-13-91 22499 <--> 22539
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
I saw the Castle show last week also and I pretty much agree with your
review. Joycee Beck is always a pleasure to watch. A bubbly,
vivacious performer who is one of the best female card handlers I've
seen at the Castle. (She beats A LOT of the guys too!)
Petrick and Mia have always been something of a puzzle to me.
Apparently they travel the world with their act but the two times I
have seen it I have always thought it to be mediocre on impact although
I guess you can give them points on originality. Mia waltzes around
like an overanimated gameshow hostess. Petrick reminds me of cold
oatmeal- kind of bland. Both of them mouth and whisper words although
not a sound is spoken. I don't know, maybe I saw them on a couple of
bad nights. The Doug and Linda Malloy have been doing pretty much the
same act all three times I have seen them over the past year. So I
don't know what you mean about doing the tricks an hour after they get
them. They have made a few subtle changes for the better but all in
all I wouldn't recommend going out of ones way to see them.
I think Hobson is one of the best MC's entertainment wise I have seen
anywhere. I know what you mean about overpowering the other acts.
It was that way at the Day of Magic show he hosted. The audience loved
his bits and when the main act had technical difficulties that kept
them off stage people were chanting HOBSON! HOBSON! They wanted him
back and didn't care much if the main performers came back or no
Didn't get a chance to see the parlour shows or late close up. Did
you? I'm looking forward to seeing Geno Munari soon. Wish I didn't
have guests due any minute or I'd be at the Ice House to see Max again!
Msg #22539 Dated 21:29:20 10-13-91 22537 <--> 22551
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
If my wife had not had to go out of town on business today we
DEFINITELY would have been at the Ice House for Max's show!
The Malloy's have a cute premise that could be very clever - the kids
with the toys. I think that if it were done well it would be very
entertaining and very refreshing, although Linda's portrayal of a child
is far better than Doug's. Nonetheless, with a little work, they could
really have something. But really, they do the effects like they've
never tried them - I had visions of Doug in the subtrunk reading the
directions! And of Linda doing her hair during her costume change.
Too slow for the premise of a sub-trunk. Also, there is not a lot of
variety - two transpositions do not make a show. In addition to a good
premise, there IS another refreshing aspect to their show - the magic
(and the role of the magician) is very definitely shared. They appear
to have potential, but the act needs considerable rework and a lot more
thought and practice.
Msg #22541 Dated 21:50:29 10-13-91 -> 22561
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LANDING
Tabman and Biro have landed. We have not been on Earth, or even in this
Universe.... will be in tuch y'all...... argh? Heck no....
Msg #22542 Dated 22:11:07 10-13-91 22474 <--> 22543
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I don't think you ever HAD IT.... you just have a memory of the eve!
Msg #22543 Dated 22:13:30 10-13-91 22474 <--> 22544
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I don't think you ever HAD IT.... you just have a memory of the eve!
Msg #22544 Dated 22:13:32 10-13-91 22475 <--> 22552
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Why wait so loooooooong????? Why does it have to be in Las V?
I just (this moment) opened a letter from "OLGA" (Wells you jealouse
devil).... inviting me and my friends to SIBERIA.... once there all
is free .... if you don't mind standing in line....
Msg #22546 Dated 22:13:41 10-13-91 22477 <--> 22548
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE
Who cares who is lying... what's wrong with a dude talking to a
chick?
Msg #22547 Dated 22:13:44 10-13-91 22480 <--> 22887
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HELLO
Who cares who's whom? Katz is Kats is Catz.... argh
Msg #22548 Dated 22:13:47 10-13-91 22482 <--> 22554
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE
I still don't care
Msg #22549 Dated 22:13:50 10-13-91 22484 <--> 22550
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
See Geno and you won't want to get married!!!!!!!!!!1
Msg #22550 Dated 22:13:53 10-13-91 22492 <--> 22566
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
Too bad you guys didn't know Geno when he weighed another 90 lbs.
Msg #22551 Dated 22:13:55 10-13-91 22499 <--> 22560
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
Joycee (not Joyce) Beck has always used the "lights out" method of
bill switch, as she has been unable to get a T H U M B T I P,
too match.... (jus' kiddin' gang... except to one of the Katz's)?
Msg #22552 Dated 22:14:00 10-13-91 22503 <--> 22553
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Geno... if you don't find the print, David can call the Hacienda
and re-order from the negative. All he has to do is tell the gal
that took the pic it was the six guys there that night that didn't
have dates.
Msg #22553 Dated 22:14:06 10-13-91 22505 <--> 22556
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Do try the card on the tire! But use the short nail. Tab and I were
"counting" Baccarat style, alla way west on the plane! Tanks!
Msg #22554 Dated 22:14:09 10-13-91 22507 <--> 22574
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE
Massa Munari... my pal in Akron needs a Mailing Address for
Melinda... he wants to send sompin'.... later....
Msg #22555 Dated 22:14:13 10-13-91 22510 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FROG GONE!
You already sent it and it tis in me files...
Msg #22556 Dated 22:14:16 10-13-91 22514 <--> 22564
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
You got to go CTRL F5, and convert WP file to ASCII ( is easy )!
Msg #22559 Dated 22:14:29 10-13-91 22536 <--> 22568
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GOOD LUCK
Which pays bout seven times more than a magic club.... and, oh,
forget it....
Msg #22560 Dated 22:14:33 10-13-91 22537 <--> 22567
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
If Hobson is overpowering the acts as an MC, then blame the director
of the show. You say, "just bring 'em on and off, then close the
show with killer stufffffffffffffff!"
Msg #22561 Dated 22:27:20 10-13-91 22541 <--> 22578
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANDING
Welcome back to the Universe and to Spaceship Earth, guys. Will be
interesting to read about your adventures. Did you get a chance to
stop off at Milliways Resturant on either the trip out or on the one
back in? I understand that you have to make reservations way in
advance unless you have an in with the Maitre' D.
Msg #22564 Dated 22:31:09 10-13-91 22542 <--> 22565
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Thanks a bunch! I guess I'll have to call Pat's Chinese and see if I
left it there.
Msg #22565 Dated 22:32:11 10-13-91 22544 <--> 22572
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
The reason for stating when the next Las Vegas MAGIC! meeting was
scheduled was because YOU brought the subject up! Sun musta baked the
Biro.
I is more than willin' to join in a MAGIC! trip to Siberia! Seriously!
But you don't do no card tricks on the plane (except card on outside of
window), OK?
Msg #22566 Dated 22:37:29 10-13-91 22550 <--> 22570
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
I have no plans to levitate Geno.
Msg #22567 Dated 22:38:10 10-13-91 22551 <--> 22580
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
Joycee was pretty distressed about the lights out bit - particularly
since it killed the video that the Castle was doin'. Her other bill
switches were very well done.
Msg #22568 Dated 22:42:29 10-13-91 22559 <--> 22571
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GOOD LUCK
Are you serious? They pay seven times more? You mean those folks on
stage at comedy clubs get $ 14 an hour for that dreck? Geez. forget
magic! I think I'll go tear up one of my T-shirts and learn to say,
uh, crap.
Msg #22570 Dated 23:12:34 10-13-91 22531 <--> 22641
From: GENO MUNARI
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
My pleasure. Hope to see you at a luncheon, or in LA again. Wishinf
(try that again) wishing you all the best.
Msg #22571 Dated 23:12:41 10-13-91 22533 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: GOOD LUCK
Thanks Steve.....I appreciate your nice commnets the other day. I al
so do like Nash, I have his video and like his manner and approach. P
lenty of talent, and guts. He is very good. By the way, I seem to h
ave two Nash books....I recently found the one that I thought was los
t. If I see you, or whatever, you can get it from me.
Msg #22572 Dated 23:12:51 10-13-91 22552 <--> 22573
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
OK Pete.....I hope it is found.
Msg #22573 Dated 23:12:56 10-13-91 22553 <--> 22575
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Keep it close to the vest.....
Msg #22575 Dated 23:13:11 10-13-91 22556 <--> 22579
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I did do that. But the original file was on Easywriter, then dos con
verted to WP. I saved it under a dos text and upoloaded ASCII.
Msg #22578 Dated 0:16:42 10-14-91 22561 <--> 22590
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LANDING
Never heard of Milliways Restaurant. Did whip into some good stuff
in the Milky Way. Orion the Hunter was there too.
Msg #22579 Dated 0:16:46 10-14-91 22565 <--> 22581
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
OK dude... baked brains... ala kart?
Msg #22580 Dated 0:16:49 10-14-91 22567 <--> 22591
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
Couldn'ta been so good you KNOW THERE WERE SWITCHES MADE. TSK.
Msg #22581 Dated 0:16:51 10-14-91 22573 <--> 22652
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
MY VEST IS CLOSE THESE DAYS. NEED YOUR DIET. SURE IS QT ON THE
BACCARAT EFFECT... HEH, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WE DOPED OUT
THE ABILITY TO DO IT... BE GOOD.
Msg #22586 Dated 6:35:48 10-14-91 -> 22592
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: ALL
Re: BUBBLE GUY
Would anyone out there know how to get in touch with Tom Noddy, the
Bubble Guy? Tom is the one who blows square bubbles, bubbles inside of
bubbles, etc...? Thanks in advance!
Msg #22590 Dated 9:34:07 10-14-91 22578 <--> 22595
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANDING
Gads! First complex, sophisticated literary allusion I've seen you
make! Many folks believe that Milliways is the resturant at the end of
the Universe.
Msg #22591 Dated 9:37:15 10-14-91 22580 <--> 22596
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
RE: Joycee's Bill Switches.
Yah, and I also know where the break is held in your Bullet Card
effect, along with the fact that it was written up by Gerald Kosky and
Peter Kane and published in the June, 1985 issue of Genii. Do you
think that diminishes my enjoyment in watching you do it?
Msg #22592 Dated 9:45:04 10-14-91 22586 <--> 22594
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: BUBBLE GUY
I don't know how to get in touch with Noddy, but if you find out,
please let me know too!
Msg #22594 Dated 11:55:42 10-14-91 22586 <--> 22597
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: BUBBLE GUY
I have his number someplace. Will go offline, and re enter and send
you the info... later... pete
Msg #22595 Dated 11:55:45 10-14-91 22590 <--> 22598
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LANDING
Never heard of it... wuz an ad lib.... tsk...
Msg #22596 Dated 11:55:48 10-14-91 22591 <--> 22599
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
You do know where the break is? You should have told me, don't hold
back. I will work on it to eleiminate the "tell"... until then, it
is OUT OF THE ACT.
Msg #22597 Dated 11:55:53 10-14-91 22586 <--> 22618
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: BUBBLE GUY
Tom Noddy: PO Box 1576, Santa Cruz, CA 95061
Phone: 408-423-1021, or 408-425-8711
Tell him I sentcha (I waive my usual 40-percent commission).
Msg #22598 Dated 11:58:03 10-14-91 22595 <--> 22614
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANDING
Milliways is explained in four books in the Douglas Adams trilogy - The
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Or, if you have an actual copy of
the Hitchhiker's Guide itself (it is only explained and used, not
included, in the Adams books) you can look it up for yourself.
Msg #22599 Dated 12:02:00 10-14-91 22596 <--> 22615
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
Silly! I don't know where the break is from seeing the act! I know
where the break is because you've given me lessons on it! Besides,
when did revealing something to the audience keep you from doing it?
I thought that was part of doing the Stumble Force!
Msg #22612 Dated 14:53:31 10-14-91 -> 22616
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: PRACTICE
I've come up with a new (to me) way to practice my new shows. I've
taped them on to audio cassette, patter, where people stand, what I am
doing, etc. Then, when I am driving or otherwise occupied during the
day but still able to listen I'm going to be playing them over and
over. Don't know if it will help much but I was hoping it might
augment my actual practice sessions. I'll let you know.
Msg #22614 Dated 20:07:08 10-14-91 22598 <--> 22623
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LANDING
I don't read stuff like that. Why? It ain't got no stinkin' card
tricksinit... fargh...
Msg #22615 Dated 20:07:12 10-14-91 22599 <--> 22624
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
I really have all you guys nailed. There is no force with the
stumble... it is a free choice and I have the ability to ascertain
the value of the card (about 3-cents) in a flash!
.
Just watched the $200 tape from Geno Munari. Boy I ain't never gonna
be a Bacarrat rat!
Msg #22616 Dated 20:07:20 10-14-91 22612 <--> 22708
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PRACTICE
Mental training is good. Anything you can do to enhance such is
excellent. However. NOTHING BEATS DOING IT WITH STRANGERS WATCHING.
Try the Bobo switch next time you go through a toll booth. You start
with the wrong amount showing but hand the taker the right change.
.
Not kidding. This is real heat. I used to take the bus to school
with cards and coins palmed, do change overs, etc. I once wore a
sixth finger to school one day. Funny, some guy -- who was all the
way across the street yelled to me, "Hey, what's wrong with your
hand!" (<--------true story)...
.
Another important rehearsal technique... no matter what... get into
full wardrobe... the actions often change when you are dressed up.
Especially in getting things from your pockets. Watch a major star
do a TV Commercial where they, say, take out an envelope from the
inner coat pocket. THEY NEVER LOOK AT IT, or search for it. Often
it isn't in the pocket at all, but clipped in perfect grip position.
.
The real TRICK of the ages... how do you think the two tablets
always fall out perfectly from the Alka Seltzer pack? They are
already out and on the back! This is stuff magi should study. The
little tiny details that make it like YOU ARE AN EXPERT AT HANDLING
YOUR PROPS... NOT ONLY GOOD AT THE MAGIC PART.
.
A trick I developed for language study (altho I flunked, my ex wife
got an A) (she was who I devised the method for) was to take the
language tapes you buy and throw them out. I made special tapes with
LONG PAUSES inbetween phrases. That way you could go over them in
your mind and repeat them. On the expensive tapes they went from
one word to the next with no time between each word to remember the
one you just heard. You got to the next one before you practiced
the first. In magic, patter, whatever, give yourself space to brain
train between items...
Msg #22618 Dated 20:12:32 10-14-91 22597 <--> 22726
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BUBBLE GUY
Wow - Thanks Pete! I really appreciate it, AND the Practice message!
Msg #22619 Dated 20:47:13 10-14-91 22370 <-
From: BART BISHOP
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TOPIT TAILOR
Anyone in Southern Calif. may want to call on Peggy Marcus, 619-562-
3434. She is in the San Diego area and I met her husband at SAM LV.
She did a great job with a 5 day turn around.
Msg #22620 Dated 21:22:40 10-14-91 22022 <--> 22628
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
I guess that means I just missed ya. (Nosh?!???!!?) Although at the
lecture, we did hear a few tales of his oakland lecture. All in all, I
found him to be a good lecturer. He's a bit rough around the edges, but
I hope he never loses that quality.
Msg #22623 Dated 21:49:31 10-14-91 22614 <--> 22629
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANDING
Yeah, but you read Sports Illustrated - and it ain't got no card tricks
in it, just weird guys with leather balls and gals in swimsuits.
Msg #22624 Dated 21:50:52 10-14-91 22615 <--> 22630
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
Yeah, its like I've always said, the real magicians do the trix by
magic - then they sit around and invent all the moves so they can sell
books.
Msg #22628 Dated 22:15:55 10-14-91 22620 <--> 23168
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC NIGHT
Paul Diamond is one of the Characters of Magic. Need mo' of 'em.
Glad you attended. Yup, I got there after all had left and he was
loading up his car. I am here with Tabby and POSSIBLY will get by
Wed. night for the Mojo... is it on this coming Wed? Oh, what room
is the magic done in? The fine dinin' room or the coffee shop, or
both? Have friends coming to town and wanna eat out... mite come.
Msg #22629 Dated 22:16:02 10-14-91 22623 <--> 22634
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LANDING
I never read Sports Illustrated. I get it, look at the ads to see
if any of them are my pictures... then send the invoice!
Msg #22630 Dated 22:16:06 10-14-91 22624 <--> 22635
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
You got it bwana... the market is there. The shows are one biz, and
being a MagicHumpkin is another!
Msg #22634 Dated 22:32:27 10-14-91 22629 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LANDING
Yah, figured you'd be the type who would just look at the pictures.
Anyway, next time you or Tab go to the edge of the Universe, check out
Milliways. But you do need to either make reservations WAY in advance
or just at the moment you need them - at the end of the Universe it is
one and the same.
Msg #22635 Dated 22:34:38 10-14-91 22630 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE SHOWS
Hmmm... I think I'll call my book "Moves I've Never Done." Could
invent a killer card to wallet if I didn't have to ever do it myself.
Msg #22637 Dated 22:38:11 10-14-91 -> 22648
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! CHALLENGE
OK, folks, here is something to get your brain working - I have a
proposed effect - your job is to come up with a method. I've checked
with one of our on-line experts and he says it is unique enough to
qualify as a new effect and that it is possible. So here it is:
You have a chain (say the type that used to be used for light pulls)
fastened into a loop. On it are six poker chips. Each chip has a hole
in it and the chain runs through the holes. Each chip is a different
color. You also have six matching chips that are loose. You place the
six loose chips in a line on the table and place the chain with
attached chips back into your pocket. The spectator points to one of
the chips. You instantly remove the chain from your pocket and that
chip is MISSING! You then produce the matching chip, now loose, from
your pocket.
Now here's the bit - all solutions will become the property of MAGIC!
The individual who first posts the selected method will win up to 10% of
the net profit from the sale of the effect during the first year of
active marketing if it is marketed. MAGIC! will use the rest for the
continued support of the system. If MAGIC! does not market the effect
within one year, then all rights in it will be granted to the
individual who first posts the selected method. Selection of a method
will be by the sole judgement of MAGIC! and the Sysop and the decision
will be final. The initial description of the effect is to be
considered proprietary with all rights reserved. No liability is
expressed or implied by this contest nor is assumed by MAGIC! or its
owners or operators. Additional rules may be applied during the
contest.
There is no deadline for this contest, but the first selected method
will be declared the winner. GO FOR IT!
Msg #22641 Dated 1:20:27 10-15-91 22465 <--> 22645
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
I think I already told you I was going to attend, but just in case
put me on the list. See you Fri.
Msg #22642 Dated 1:20:29 10-15-91 22375 <--> 22650
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC! NIGHT OUT
Glad you liked it, was a pleasure to meet you and look forward to
seeing you at DMS. I do Sleight of Mind effects, and try to use old
G
antique boxes and props to add an air of mystery to things.
Msg #22645 Dated 6:57:13 10-15-91 22641 <--> 22649
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
Thank you for confirming - I have you on the list for the special
MAGIC! Luncheon with GENO MUNARI on Friday, October 18th.
Msg #22648 Dated 9:55:01 10-15-91 22637 <--> 22680
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC! CHALLENGE
OK, I got it. The chips are, in fact, Chips Ahoy "cookies".... you
have a trained (I have several) Rat in your pocket. When the spec-
tator selects a colored Chip(?) -- the Rat, thanks to a special
viewing port sewn into my coat... sees the selected Chip, then
EATS the one off the chain. The duplicate (yes, unfortunately,
there is another...) is then produced from inside a sealed envelope
that was inside a pat of butter.
.
Where is my money?
Msg #22649 Dated 9:55:11 10-15-91 22641 <--> 22651
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
I am sorry, can't be there, will be flying back to Vegas. (NO I
AM NOT GOING TO PAT'S TO LOOK FOR THE PICTURE, FROG!)
Msg #22650 Dated 9:55:15 10-15-91 22642 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC! NIGHT OUT
I wondered why you didn't have any NEW stuff! Yar....
Msg #22651 Dated 9:55:18 10-15-91 22645 <--> 22681
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
Cancel the lox and cream cheese you had set aside for me. See
prior message.
Msg #22652 Dated 10:35:51 10-15-91 22344 <--> 22655
From: TABBY CRABB
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Thanks for the weslcome to So Cal but am now in oaklafnd area with
Biro doing some research in his library and taking some photos of
some of the old apparatus he has buried around here. Biro has given
away more stuff than most people ever get their hands on.
Msg #22653 Dated 10:35:56 10-15-91 22350 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: CARD ERASERS
Glo was gofnna give you a call to give you the answer to your questio
n as I'm in California right now. Doc is one of my favorites as you
probably know. Sorry I missed you guys.
Msg #22654 Dated 10:36:01 10-15-91 22376 <--> 22717
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: THIS IS FOR TABMAN
Holler at me on Friday. Will be packing up the office on saturday
and trucking stuff to Tennessee. Don't know what ship costs will be
but all birds sex linked yellow and one is lutino. Two pairs have
proven records and no birds over 5 yeers old. Holler at me this
weekend when I get back to east coast. Yeah, Vegas was fun at the
lance show. See you next time.
Msg #22655 Dated 10:36:08 10-15-91 22396 <--> 22656
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Thanks for the info. Will talk to scotty B4 doing any stacfk table wo
rk. Pete has taught me the dice stack in five minutes and am hitting
it pretty good now so I will be able to try it on tables. Hope you is
well!!!!!!!
Msg #22656 Dated 10:36:14 10-15-91 22443 <--> 22669
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Did you ever find your pictures from the Lance show????? I thought
you guys asked me to carry them to the room when you went to eat yo
late night dinner.
Msg #22658 Dated 11:15:28 10-15-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MULHOLLAND COLLECTION
DAVID COPPERFIELD HAS PURCHASED THE MULHOLLAND COLLECTION FOR 2.2
MILLION DOLLARS!
Los Angeles (Live from District Bankrupcy Court) - The Honorable
Vincent P. Zurzolo has just concluded the sale of the Mulholland
Collection to Mr. Dsvid Coppefield for 2.2 Million dollars.
Mr. Copperfield said, "I'm just glad it is going to stay intact and
in this country."
Details to follow.
Msg #22660 Dated 11:19:14 10-15-91 22125 <--> 22685
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
I am going to speak with the headquarters office about the entire
sponsorship situation. However, the use of a name other than one's
"legal" name is not necessarily a matter for major concern. So many
use stage names of all sorts that his use of another name (albeit
Houdini) is not uncommon. There is a performing act in Europe known
as the Houdinis. Len Vintus is a stage name, not his real name...and
so on.
Msg #22661 Dated 11:19:33 10-15-91 22126 <--> 22670
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I have always suspected there will be a beer can floating along with
a coyote somehow holding on, perched somewhere in all of this will
be a cockroach....and clinging on to one of the three will be a very
much alive sprig of kudzu. I doubt seriously there will be either a
magic trick or a magician anywhere in the lot.
Msg #22662 Dated 11:19:47 10-15-91 22128 <--> 22691
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
At least you stayed in the south! ...even south of North Carolina!
Msg #22663 Dated 11:19:53 10-15-91 22129 <--> 22687
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
The Swiss railroad is probably one of the few remaining lines to
still hook up cabooses! ...and the other kind are seen less and less
nowadays as well.
Msg #22664 Dated 11:20:03 10-15-91 22130 <--> 22688
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Sounds as if great improvements are in still for MAGIC! I certainly
appreciate your continuing time, energy, and monetary support of the
board!
Msg #22666 Dated 11:20:24 10-15-91 22133 <--> 22696
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
This is the year for comedy at DMS, so you will have to make sure
that Nathan has some timely humor for his act.
Msg #22667 Dated 11:20:32 10-15-91 22134 <--> 22697
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WINTERS AND BEER
I haven't forgotten about the Encyc. of Southern Culture, just have
not had a spare moment at home to sit down at the computer.
Msg #22669 Dated 11:20:48 10-15-91 22144 <--> 22682
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I remember vacuums and many other things being sold by door-to-door
salemen when I was a kid. Now, it seems to only be magazine
subscriptions now and then or supposed charities collecting.
Msg #22670 Dated 11:20:59 10-15-91 22145 <--> 22686
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
If you are starting to enjoy airplane food then maybe it is time to
start walking.
Msg #22673 Dated 11:22:02 10-15-91 22243 <--> 22718
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: M A G I C
Excellent review David! I find myself in almost complete agreement
with your comments!!
Msg #22674 Dated 11:22:10 10-15-91 22275 <--> 22864
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
I forgot that a place that old would likely not have much if any
mortgage left. Hopefully, the real estate gods will be smiling at
you soon!
Msg #22676 Dated 11:22:32 10-15-91 22277 <--> 22684
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FORCE BOOKS
You know...I remembered that about Canadian horses on the way back
home that night. Most of these nags were local I think. Charles
Town is a strange track to bet.
Msg #22677 Dated 11:16:51 10-15-91 -> 22692
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
It has been a slow and confusing morning so far. I'm alone in the
chambers of Judge Vincent P. Zurzolo, waiting for the Mulholland
hearing to get underway. We were originally scheduled to begin with
a series of motions regarding approval of the sale. Then we were
told the hearing was changed to 10 a.m., then back to 9 a.m., and
now its 9:20 a.m.
John Gaughan and Jim Steinmeyer just arrived. This could get very
interesting!
9:30 a.m. - David Copperfield just arrived and we're sitting around
discussing MAGIC!
9:47 a.m. - Lots of dudes with lots of black briefcases just
arrived. I don't know 'em, but it would appear that the seating
area back here is beginning to polarize and conversations are
becomming more whispered. Assume it could be "the French."
9:50 a.m. - Ricky Jay just arrived. Someone asked, "Did you bring
some cards?" "Hell, yeah," he said, "when you feel your life
threatened, you always bring some cards."
9:55 a.m. - Judge Zurzolo conviened the court, but not all the
attorneys were here, so he adjourned until 10:00 and went back into
his chambers.
10:00 a.m. - Catherine Warwick just arrived. There is some small
hitch in the deal among the creditors, but it looks like the sale
may go thru. And it looks like the likly buyer will be David! Ms.
Warwick just asked if there are other bidders present and no-one
moved. Of course, they don' have to yet, and there could still be
some surprises.
10:09 a.m. - The various attorneys for the various trustees are
introducing themselves. The first motion is to approve the sale.
There is some discussion, the trustees have some wrangling going on
over the allocation of the money, but does not object to the sale.
The Judge is attempting to get acceptance for going ahead with the
sale, with the allocation to be made later. This would clear the way
for the sale to go forward. The Trustees and the RTC Apparently
some of the wrangling is over the RTC's costs of $650,000 for
maintaining the collection during the period it has been in their
custody and this is a matter of some contention. But it appears
likely that the discussion of allocation will be taken up at a later
time.
The Judge has said that there is a SINGLE offer and has asked if
there are any other buyers present. NO-ONE has moved! If they can
get through this opening discussion, it looks like Mr. Copperfield
is about to own a collection!
The various creditors and the RTC counsel have gone outside for a
conference. Meanwhile Ken Klausner's attorney has had some
discussion with the judge regarding the payment of some expenses.
He has been asked to resubmit the statement of the expenses,
although payment of the expenses has appareently alread been agreed
to - it is a matter of how much. We have gone into a sort of
unannounced recess mode and the Judge has left the chamber.
10:33 a.m. - The creditors and the RTC attorney have returned to the
courtroom and are working over the agreement. They just asked David
to spell his name for them! Guess they want to get this stuff
right!
10:36 a.m. - Everyone has announced that "We're ready" and the Judge
has once again been sent for. Jim Steinmeyer and I seem to agree -
someone should have brought a deck of cards.
10:40 a.m. - The Trustees are joining in a motion to allow the sale
to go forward. They have agreed to attmpt to complete the
allocation issue at a later time. But the RTC wants the Order for
the Sale entered today and moved forward. Now they are discussing
Mr. Copperfield will remove the collection from the premises by the
end of the month. The attorneys for the creditors are now vebally
agreeing to join in the motion to go forward with the sale, with an
Order to be presented this afternoon.
They are now disussing the $70,000 per month that it takes to store
the collection. Now they are recapping the RTC's marketing efforts.
It seems everyone is in agreement again.
10:47 a.m. - The discussion is now surrounding the various
administrative and legal costs attached to the sale. The Judge has
allowed most of the fees and costs that the various entities are
asking for. He has disallowed a few speciic charges.
Now they are discussion the various tax problems connected to the
Ruban parnerships. They have set a date for the continuation of
this matter.
10:58 a.m - It is a DONE DEAL as far as the Court is concerned!
David Copperfield is the new owner of the Mulholland Collection! A
few things to be worked out, but these will be done by the attorneys
based on the agreements. Court is adjourned and everyone shakes
hands and congratulates David.
Msg #22678 Dated 12:09:31 10-15-91 -> 22699
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: SALE
I have only seen it rush by at 2400 baud... but thanks for the SALE
report (I assume it was from you!)
Msg #22680 Dated 12:13:10 10-15-91 22648 <--> 22728
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC! CHALLENGE
Sorry, Charlie, but your method is too complex for the commercial world
- we'd have to ship all those trained rats, etc. Points for clever,
but no sale.
Msg #22681 Dated 12:14:17 10-15-91 22651 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI LUNCHEON!
Sorry you won't be able to join us for lunch, Pete - but we will do our
best to have a good time without you.
Msg #22682 Dated 12:15:18 10-15-91 22656 <--> 22729
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I thought I'd asked you to carry it too! But no, it never followed me
past the room. I'm going to have to call Pat's and see if it is still
there - if not, will have to take Pete's suggestion and call the
Hacienda and see if the lady can do a reprint.
Msg #22685 Dated 12:19:18 10-15-91 22660 <--> 22720
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
I realize that a stage name could constitute an IBM membership name.
I just wonder about the use of Harry Houdini and the possible perils of
his being "authenticated" by IBM under that name.
Msg #22686 Dated 12:21:51 10-15-91 22661 <--> 22689
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I have seen that exact scenario.... in my dreems.... yah
Msg #22687 Dated 12:21:54 10-15-91 22663 <--> 22693
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
The right of way of the Swiss railroad (ie: buildings tunnels etc)
all have Graffiti messing up the coo coo clock architecture of the
countryside... TSK
Msg #22688 Dated 12:21:58 10-15-91 22664 <--> 22694
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Let's not get sickening about this (Red Skelton line).
Msg #22689 Dated 12:22:01 10-15-91 22670 <--> 22903
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
I am a licensed wing walker. But it is too drafty.
Msg #22691 Dated 12:21:13 10-15-91 22662 <--> 22907
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Yep! I've been fortunate enough to spend a lot of time in the South.
Feel more at home with the alligators and the water mocasins than I do
with the snakes and lizards in New York City.
Msg #22692 Dated 12:22:08 10-15-91 22677 <--> 22698
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Great review of the Court proceedings. I assume you had a laptop?
Did any indication from David come regarding the location and
any other matters where the collection might reside?
.
Did Ricky seem OK? Did he talk about continuing as curator?
.
This is good news. Remember what I said about the Kermits losing
interest? Because they figured the duplicates were too many,
except the posters and non book stuff was of great interest to
Fechner!
Msg #22693 Dated 12:22:33 10-15-91 22663 <--> 22828
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Yes - fewer cabooses on trains, fewer trains on women's dresses, and
not many jobs for trainers either! Isn't widespread illiteracy grand?
Msg #22694 Dated 12:23:49 10-15-91 22664 <--> 22909
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Tell you the truth - right now I'm pretty pleased with MAGIC! The new
hardware and software seem to be pretty much chugging along, and, this
morning, we scored another first with a LIVE report phoned in from the
Federal Bankrupcy Court!
P.S. - Copperfield said he thinks MAGIC! is great!
Msg #22696 Dated 12:26:36 10-15-91 22666 <--> 22702
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
I think that a 3-year old magician is pretty funny just as he is! He
does have a great sense of humor, ask Biro, but don't you think that
the notion of him walking out in front of several hundred magi and
doing a production box is killer comedy?
Msg #22697 Dated 12:28:16 10-15-91 22667 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: WINTERS AND BEER
Whenever you have the chance on the Encyclopedia. No rush.
Msg #22698 Dated 12:33:24 10-15-91 22692 <--> 22703
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Yes, I had a laptop computer in the courtroom and tried to take notes.
Then I immediately went to a pay phone and sent the stuff in. Less
than 10 minutes!
No, there was no discussion of where the collection might go, nor of
Ricky's role.. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Msg #22699 Dated 12:35:25 10-15-91 22678 <--> 22704
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SALE
Yes, the sale report was from me - I just returned from the courtroom.
Msg #22701 Dated 14:33:14 10-15-91 -> 22706
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND SHOES
By the way, security at the court was so tight that you had to REMOVE
YOUR SHOES in order to get through the body scan! I am NOT kidding!
Funny to watch all the folk's shoes come thru the X-Ray machine! Most
of us also had to take off our belts and even cigarette packages had to
be hand inspected - the foil in 'em was enough to set off the trigger!
One gal said she was glad she hadn't worn an underwire bra!
Msg #22702 Dated 16:52:39 10-15-91 22696 <--> 22823
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
SURE!
Msg #22703 Dated 16:52:41 10-15-91 22698 <--> 22712
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
WELL.... MY SOURCES SAY A PERMANENT MUSEUM TYPE SETTING IN LAS
VEGAS!
Msg #22704 Dated 16:52:45 10-15-91 22699 <--> 22713
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SALE
Just got the reply coming back from France... But sworn to secrecy.
Msg #22705 Dated 16:47:41 10-15-91 -> 22714
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SETUP
Tabman: How you been? Haven't talked with you in quite some time. I
was wondering if you could help me on something... I have a setup file
for setting up CMOS, but it is old, from 1987. I have a b: drive for 3
1/2 in disks. I have been having a problem for quite a while reading
other peoples disks. For a long time I blamed it on a corrupted file,
or whatever. After examining things closely I have discovered that my
computer is reading the drive as a 1.2, not a 1.44. This is because the
setup program is so old that it doesn't have an option to select 1.44.
Do you have a disk mgt disk, or diagnostic disk that contains a later
version of setup of IBM? if so, could I get a copy of it? I'm having
some fits here. I don't need the disk, just the one file.
Thanks!
Msg #22706 Dated 16:52:47 10-15-91 22701 <--> 22715
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND SHOES
Actually, you see there are many ways of garnering information. The
Horses Mouth is one... heheheheheh...
.
David has a huge building in Las Vegas just off the Strip... a
stones throw from the Hacienda and might store it there... but a
purpose-built display are would be better...
.
Too bad I haven't seen the horse... but I do know the stuff is
going to be moved poste haste... and probably to Vegas in six months
to do it right!
.
I think it is great that the collection is staying together and it
is in good, tasty hands...
Msg #22708 Dated 17:57:15 10-15-91 22616 <--> 22727
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PRACTICE
Thanks for the good advice Pete. I'm definitely saving that message!
Msg #22712 Dated 20:04:51 10-15-91 22703 <--> 22719
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
A permanent museum type setting in Las Vegas would be very nice,
particularly if it provides access to the library for research. It
would give me something to do while the rest of everyone is gambling.
Msg #22713 Dated 20:05:49 10-15-91 22704 <--> 22755
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SALE
Tell the French they is too late - they missed the plane and he got the
collection.
Msg #22714 Dated 20:06:47 10-15-91 22705 <--> 22748
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
Harrison -
Forgive me for intruding, but Tabby is on the road and it may be some
time before he gets your message. If your CMOS does not have an option
for 1.44 drives, you might want to upgrade your ROMS. You could check
with the computer manufacturer or the ROM manufacturer to see about an
upgrade.
Msg #22715 Dated 20:09:04 10-15-91 22706 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND SHOES
Well, the "Horse" was sitting right next to me. He was busy telling
Jim Steinmeyer all about MAGIC! Stuff is to be out of government
storage by the end of THIS MONTH. Seems the storage is costing them
(us taxpayers) $70,000 a month. So it will be somewhere sooner than
six months. After that, who knows?
Msg #22718 Dated 21:41:03 10-15-91 22673 <--> 22722
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: M A G I C
Thank you for your support! Except for Evan Katz (one or the
other) you are the only one voicing an opinion. Is that to mean
everyone else is content to allow M A G I C to become another
"soft" magazine? As I stated to Evan, I had no problem with the
physical quality of the magazine.
I was just hoping for a little........more?........
David (the other one)
p.s. to ALL:
Doesn't anyone else have anything to say? I'm considering sending
a slightly modified version as a letter to Stan.
Comments?
Does he or doesn't he?
Msg #22719 Dated 21:41:16 10-15-91 22677 <--> 22721
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Congratulations to David (both of you). I'm glad to see the
collection stay together and in such capable hands. How do you
ever find time to do this and MAGIC! too?
David (the other one)
Msg #22720 Dated 21:41:21 10-15-91 22685 <--> 22723
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
You know, when I started this conversation it never dawned on me
that a stage name couldn't be used. I was just wondering if
Hardeen was joining or not. Apparently not. One of these days I'd
like to visit with him in more detail on his family history. I
have little personal doubt on his authenticity but I have the
feeling "The Houdini's" don't feel that way.
(The following is speculation following a brief conversation with
Hardeen. I hope supporting facts will follow)
It seems Theo's involvement with (Hardeens grandmother) was not
accepted by the family. I don't yet know why. The evidence I do
have shows a (copy of a) birth certificate of one Harry Houdini
Hardeen born to Theo Hardeen.
This was the father of my friend, also named Harry Houdini
Hardeen.(his friends call him Mike, or simply Hardeen)
Tired of explaining his last name as the "grand nephew of
Houdini" and of answering questions about Hardeen (Theo), he
recently legally rearranged his name. Since most people call him
Hardeen anyway, it simplified matters.
Again, I have little doubt of his authenticity, and either way,
he is a very nice person, whoever he is.
David (the other one)
Msg #22721 Dated 22:16:08 10-15-91 22719 <--> 22725
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Not to mention the $17.50 in parking fees! I guess I just feel that
establishing MAGIC! is important to me. Perhaps since I'm not much of
a writer, I see MAGIC! as my legacy in the field - as my partial
repayment for the things that magic has brought me. Besides, how often
do you get to see David (the television one) spend $2.2 Million?
Msg #22722 Dated 22:17:46 10-15-91 22718 <--> 22758
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: M A G I C
I still have to get to my last couple of issues of Genni a nd Linking
Ring along w=ith the new M A G I C magazine. Hopefully tomorrow I can
make a dent in tPis backlog. I'll ls t you know what I t-hink as soon
as I can!
Msg #22723 Dated 22:20:02 10-15-91 22720 <--> 22731
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
The Hardeen that I met in Vegas was a certainly a nice guy and
apparently is a legitimate heir to the Hardeen name. It would appear
that the Reno fellow is not. I'm thinking of changing my name to
General Electric.
Msg #22725 Dated 22:21:27 10-15-91 22721 <--> 22735
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Did I miss this part about what David plans on doing with this
collection? He must have something in mind. Quite some t*ime ago when
word ofC this collectOons availability was first known there was talk
of t-he Castle library maybe getting some of the books. Was that just
an idea or could it occur? It sounds like a huge amount of stuff if it
costs $70,000 a month just to store it. (I'm surprised none o}f you
guys suggested putting a postage stamp on it. The Post Office will
store it for less!)
Msg #22726 Dated 22:25:15 10-15-91 22586 <--> 22750
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: BUBBLE GUY
hey there, michael!
there is a guy in san francisco, louis pearl....he would be your
best bet as he and tom are friends (i beleive) he also (louie)
manufactures his own line of bubble toys and does an indoor bubble
vaudeville show for events...he is in the 415 area code and in s.f.
hope this helps....or you might try dennis forel or i am aware that he
and cary ross are friends.........
Msg #22727 Dated 22:30:17 10-15-91 22612 <--> 22739
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PRACTICE
that is a good idea
tests were done with a basketball team, devided in to three groups.
group one was told to practice on the court,group 2 was instructed to
relax and envision playing the game, and the third was told to do
nothing.....outcome.......ones who practice physically, did ok.
group 2 did better as they were more relaxed and were affirmed that
their game was good.the third was a noted decrease in action and
competency. so if you listen to the good parts then you brain will
process the positive......hope this makes sence!!!! scott
Msg #22728 Dated 22:47:39 10-15-91 22648 <--> 22765
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC! CHALLENGE
Where would you get a duplicate rat?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22729 Dated 22:48:18 10-15-91 22652 <--> 22730
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Nice to hear from you again. I was afraid you'd been swallowed up in
the nasty world of SoCal! I hear the words "research" and "library"
and my little heart goes pitter patter. Oh but to be rich enough to do
nothing but read and learn!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22730 Dated 22:49:56 10-15-91 22669 <--> 22766
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Yes, but now they send kids to sell magazines and what-have-yous. I
was such a lousy salesman as a kid, that I can't help my paternal
instinct, and invariably buy something. Looks like they got me figured
out.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22731 Dated 22:52:25 10-15-91 22685 <--> 22732
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
One has to wonder what difference it makes what this man calls himself.
It seems to me that he is handicapping himself by going by this name.
He is detracting from his ability to give any original entertainment
value to his audience. They are all going with a chip on their should
er to see who has the gall to go by this name.
Maybe I'm wrong. I have been before, but don't tell anyone
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22732 Dated 22:55:36 10-15-91 22723 <--> 22736
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Wouldn't you have to work your way up? For instance, "Private
Electric."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22735 Dated 23:15:56 10-15-91 22725 <--> 22740
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Now that David has the collection, all sorts of rumors are starting to
fly again. I know of no plan of his to place any of it in the Castle
library, but a source close to the Castle did indicate that "we would
be happy to name the library in his honor should he choose to do so."
There are some indications that the collection will be made available
for research in some form or other, but current speculation is that it
is not likely to be housed at the Castle, or even within Los Angeles.
Msg #22736 Dated 23:20:05 10-15-91 22731 <--> 22737
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Ah! But even if they have chips on their shoulders, if "they are all
going" then he wins! Packed houses begat greater profits and bigger
venues which begat...
Msg #22737 Dated 23:21:39 10-15-91 22732 <--> 22760
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
No, since my first name would be General my rank could be Private -
hence I could be Private General Electric. For a long time in Los
Angeles we had a guy on the school board who's name was Doctor. He
also had a doctorate - hence he was Doctor Doctor. Maybe I'll just
change my name to General Magic.
Msg #22739 Dated 23:23:57 10-15-91 22727 <--> 22753
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: PRACTICE
Scott, good to see you here. Hows the clean
part of our state been treating you?, Dante.
Msg #22740 Dated 23:25:03 10-15-91 22677 <--> 22754
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
I would like to thank Manny Weltman and Dante Larsen for their help in
getting the Mulholland story covered.
Msg #22742 Dated 0:01:22 10-16-91 -> 22770
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
Some of you who have been using the new mail read functions that
appear when you first sign on (if you have selected the option to
scan for personal mail and mail addressed to "ALL") may have noticed
that if you only read mail addressed to you, your message pointer
(the thing that tracks the number of the highest message you have
read) is NOT reset. On the other hand, if you use the new feature
to read mail of general interest, mail addressed to "ALL," then it
IS reset. I queried programming about this and got the response
that follows. I would like to know if anyone has serious feelings
about how this operates.
Re: CC-BBS POINTER UPDATE
I am sorry if I forgot to document it properly, but the effect you
mention was a deliberate design decision. The logic is as follows:
If I log on and see that I have unread personal mail, I may want to
read it immediately. I do not want my message pointer updated either
immediately or when I sign off because I may want to log back on when
I have more time and read either the general (i.e. to ALL) messages, or
respond no to the general messages and read all public messages with
R;*.
On the other hand, if I read all of the general messages from the
prompt, then I probably do not want to come back later and read all
public messages, which would include the general messages which I have
already seen.
But when I do come back, I certainly do not want to see the same
messages show up again. So, the pointer is updated.
Now when I say that the decision was deliberate, I do not necessarily
imply that I feel strongly about it, only that it was not an accidental
by product of the coding. I am open to arguements about why it should
be done differently, or -- if there seems to be merit on both sides --
new user option settings that will allow the user to decide.
Msg #22748 Dated 8:11:35 10-16-91 22714 <--> 22752
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
David:
Thanks for the info. I'll ck it out. Do you know what upgrading my
ROMS entails? I can't imagine it being anymore than loading up some
software. Well, anyway - I'll check it out.. Again, thanks a million.
Msg #22750 Dated 8:35:00 10-16-91 22726 <--> 22862
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: BUBBLE GUY
Thanks Scott! Sure appreciate the help, but our main man, Pete Biro
came through with a direct line to Tom. Again though, I appreciate the
help!
Msg #22752 Dated 8:53:14 10-16-91 22705 <--> 22756
From: PETE BIRO
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
This is Biro... Tabman is looking over my shoulder and just shook
his head reading your message #22705 -- then noted the beloved
SYSOP seems to have an answer! G'luck...
Msg #22753 Dated 8:53:18 10-16-91 22708 <--> 22861
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PRACTICE
Yur Welkum! Be good....
Msg #22754 Dated 8:53:21 10-16-91 22712 <--> 22759
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Actually, I would like to see it in Walnut Creek. Actually, the
Sudden Kally area would be gooder as there are more mojo men/women
in the area... like a super locked anex to the Magic Castle.
Msg #22755 Dated 8:53:26 10-16-91 22713 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SALE
The knew. They were wired in... but did not choose to buy a lot of
duplicates to what they already own.
Msg #22756 Dated 8:53:30 10-16-91 22714 <--> 22771
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
That's just what I was going to say.
Msg #22758 Dated 8:53:41 10-16-91 22718 <--> 22762
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: M A G I C
Send STAN a letter, send a fax send a wire... Editors like to hear
what folks think.
.
The one thing I have noticed -- M A G I C seems to have lit a fire
under Dante! Which is good for all of us. The improvment in Genii
the last 4 or so months is very noticeable.
.
I think if STAN gets the AD support then he will be able to full
more pages. I used to have a competitor (I published a car magazine)
that had what I called "A one S**T Paper" -- IE - you could read it
all in one sitting on the commode! IT took some time but it is now
a huge success and I went out of business. (I kept my day job and
he didn't).
Msg #22759 Dated 8:53:54 10-16-91 22719 <--> 22761
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Lick doesn't have that picture of six dudes to spend all day looking
at....
Msg #22760 Dated 8:53:58 10-16-91 22720 <--> 22763
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Hardeen (at Melinda show) does a great job and seems DEDICATED to
it... and to good. He takes care of the animals as well. The little
I have been in touch with him gives me a good feeling about his
attitude, the way he is devoted to the job... and I get that from
all involved, Melinda, Bonnie and the cast on stage... good stuff,
good people.
Msg #22761 Dated 8:54:05 10-16-91 22721 <--> 22764
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
I sure hope no mo David's come rollin in... what will we call them.
So far we got....
David -- The God
David -- The Other One
David -- Mr. TV
Msg #22762 Dated 8:54:12 10-16-91 22722 <--> 22912
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: M A G I C
At least it won't cost a lot to buy those publications... just think
of poor Tabby... he saw the Albo Books, Harbin, Christian Fechner,
not to mention the Goldston Lockers.... he has some expensive
catching up to dooooooooooooooooooooo.... argh....
Msg #22763 Dated 8:54:17 10-16-91 22723 <--> 22767
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Good... that would keep the David's down to a manageable pair...
try General Motors
Msg #22764 Dated 8:54:21 10-16-91 22725 <--> 22768
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Copperfield is said to be going to prepare a suitable home for the
collection in Las Vegas and will make it available for research,
tours etc. He is a good dude and knows of its value... (He should
it cost him a couple of months pay!)
Msg #22765 Dated 8:54:26 10-16-91 22728 <--> 22888
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC! CHALLENGE
Duplicate rat? Wuffo? Only the one is needed in my version. The
dupe, if you want to pass it out for examination should be de clawed
and fed well.
Msg #22766 Dated 8:54:31 10-16-91 22729 <--> 22805
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
You don't need to be rich to read and learn. Just neglecting your
job will give you time... then you will die sooner but happier? No?
Steal newspapers off the homeless? Forget this message It did not
jell.
Msg #22767 Dated 8:54:37 10-16-91 22732 <--> 22769
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
With his education he could be Lt. Electric.
Msg #22768 Dated 8:54:39 10-16-91 22735 <--> 22777
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Just like the famed Magic Circle in London (actually "in London" is
not needed, but there might be some new folks that don't know)...
called Siegfried and asked him to buy them a new building for thier
clubroom. They said it should be kept anonymous! S sed, "Nein!!!!
Dumkopf... at least you could name a room after me!!!!"
Msg #22769 Dated 8:54:46 10-16-91 22737 <--> 22781
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
General magic? No manipulation or you are out at FISM... one of my
fave tv shows was/is? Doctor Doctor.
Msg #22770 Dated 8:54:49 10-16-91 22742 <--> 22782
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
MY vote? All I need is RC;* -- Inquiring Minds want to know....
Msg #22771 Dated 8:54:52 10-16-91 22748 <--> 22773
From: PETE BIRO
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
ROMS entails is one of the better hors d'ouvres at a nearby French
Restaurant.
Msg #22773 Dated 9:10:44 10-16-91 22748 <--> 22774
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
A ROM upgrade is pretty straightforward. Basically, you get the new
ROMS, unplug your computer from the power line, open it up, locate the
old ROMS, remove them and replace them with the new ones. You will
then have to power up and redo your CMOS. It really isn't very
difficult if you are comfortable with digging into your computer. If
you are uncomfortable with that, then you can get someone to do it for
you. Generally, ROMs run about $ 80 from the manufacturer, but they
can be less if you can get a street price.
There may be some other ways around the problem - there are some
"driver" programs (software) that can be used to "fake" the proper type
of drive.
You might find out if there is a User Group in your area by calling a
couple of the local computer stores. If you go to the user group
meeting you may be able to find someone who can either help with the
ROMs or who has the software substitute. Or you can fly me out to your
place and I'll take a look at it.
Msg #22774 Dated 9:19:09 10-16-91 22756 <--> 22775
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
Yeah, I figured that you and Tab would say the same thing. But I know
you guys and you would probably do a whole bit on torn and restored
ROMs or something. Hope you guys are having fun up there - sure wish
I could have joined you.
Msg #22775 Dated 9:20:49 10-16-91 22771 <--> 22785
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
Actually, Pete, ROM is the short form of the proper name for Gypsies.
Msg #22777 Dated 9:25:54 10-16-91 22754 <--> 22778
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Guess we'll just have to see what David decides to do with it. Maybe
get a fleet of trucks to follow him around so he can use the library
while he is on the road.
Msg #22778 Dated 9:27:33 10-16-91 22761 <--> 22779
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
I thought we had one more David around here someplace - "The other
other one."
Msg #22779 Dated 9:29:58 10-16-91 22768 <--> 22787
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
I heard some commercial on the radio yesterday for Comp USA - a local
computer store - that has some line in it about Siegfried and Roy but
I was in the car and didn't get to write it down and now I can't
remember it.
Msg #22781 Dated 9:41:56 10-16-91 22769 <--> 22797
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
That's OK, I'm not sure I'd want to enter a FISM contest anyway. I
think I prefer doing practical magic to doin' fancy stuff.
Msg #22782 Dated 9:44:11 10-16-91 22770 <--> 22789
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
Yes, most folks who read everything are probably best off going to the
User Menu and turning off the initial scan and the new options. That's
how Tab does it, so he can show you how. The idea is to give folks
more choices so that they can custom tailor MAGIC! to their own
preferences.
Msg #22784 Dated 15:02:13 10-16-91 -> 22790
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
We were just offerred a used, like new Steadicam Jr. for $300.
My guy said it is "like new"( excuse me Evan for the marks).
Don't remember the price we found out , last time, for new, but think
it was around 575-595.
If you're interested, I can get it back in here, for you to look at.
In as much as we both have pink shirts, although I don't have the
green pants, you can have it at what ever it costs me. We may be able
to knock down the price a little.
Actually, you can also save the tax, as you can/could buy it direct
from him, and no tax would apply.
From what I understand, it would have helped the footage of Nathan's
birthday party.
Msg #22785 Dated 17:36:37 10-16-91 22774 <--> 22786
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
Car blew... high pressure line from Power Steering. Stuff was
wee wee-ing all over the place. Rolled in to a shop and for a mere
$120 Cash... which I found somewhere got fixed, but me and the
BAtman (new spelling?) hadda take a cab and a bus... finally got
back. He is now over at UPS gettin' rid of the excess stuff he has
accumulated... hahahahahah
.
What he wants with six pix of six guys without dates in Vegas has
me baffaloed...
.
They like the photos we took in the desert... whew! Tab is gooooood!
Msg #22786 Dated 17:36:49 10-16-91 22775 <--> 22800
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
I thought ROM was a city in Italy? Or was it Ital?
Msg #22787 Dated 17:36:52 10-16-91 22779 <--> 22799
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Well go drive down the same street again.
Msg #22789 Dated 17:37:03 10-16-91 22782 <--> 22798
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
Howcom if I ain't like a rocket to CTRL K, i get so much message?
Tab showed me how to use hot key to put my name and password in.
Not that I need the time, but I always (in morning when I am foggy)
spell my name wrong and have to do it over a couple of times.
Msg #22790 Dated 17:37:09 10-16-91 22784 <--> 22806
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
The Nathan party footage really needed a fire engine siren filter!
Steadycam at that price is great, wish I needed one!!!!
Msg #22793 Dated 19:24:33 10-16-91 -> 22814
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: VEGAS!
Las Vegas Day 1
Good times with good friends. First was meeting at the Hacienda Hotel
coffee shop with David VanVranken, David Lichtman, Tabman, Pete Biro,
and Jerry Burton. Tabby and David L. had already eaten. Biro and I
feasted on the crab leg special. VanVranken and Burton sampled some of
the other delicacies. Talk was about Pete's photo assignment, what was
happening in LV in the next couple of days, and magic and MAGIC! and M
A G I C. After dinner a deck of cards appeared. Pete tutored the Frog
in the art of the perfect faro. He showed us all the stumble force. The
highlight of the table session was Biro's Impossible Card Trick. A
card was selected, then cut by me into the deck. An indifferent card
was placed on the table about 6 inches from the squared, tabled deck.
This card was flicked toward the deck with Biro's index finger. After
this card sticks in the deck the deck is fairly cut at that point and
the originally selected card is found at the cut. This was repeated
several times.
Then it was time for the Lance Burton Show. Thanks to Pete's contacts
and tip to the maitre'D the MAGIC! group was seated in the center
booth. These were the best seats in the house! Before Lance appeared on
stage a white streamer came to life in the darkened house. It flew
around stage and over the audience in a very eerie fashion. As the
music crescendowed the streamer flew to center stage. Had the lighting
cue been a little more on target, it would have appeared to transform
into Lance. Lance then did the bird act many of us saw at Desert Magic
last March. The set was a backround drop painted as London skyline.
Lance's familiar lampost was also present. This segment was completed
with a very nicely done transformation of a disobedient dove to scarf.
The set was changed to totally bare exept for an upstage undraped
table. Lance went offstage briefly and brought on an oversized
suitcase. He introduced the theme of the show _A Magical Journey_,
walked across the stage and placed the suitcase on the table. After
opening it he produced a half dozen beautiful dancers. I can't remember
in order what all happened next but the entire show was illusions
interspersed with dance numbers. There was also a spot with Lance doing
card manipulations. It was obvious to me that Lance had worked very
hard on a lot of details to bring the show off well. Each of the
illusion sequences went over very well. Timing, misdirection and effect
of the illusions were flawless. Other areas need a lot more work for a
critical eye. The show needs help in pacing and technical details,
particularly lighting cues and spot operation. I probably notice this
more than most as it was once my area of expertise. The theme _Magical
Journey_ could have been referred to more and followed more closely for
better continuity. At most points in the show the theme is lost.
Most impressive to the audience were the Gypsy Moth illusion, Vanish of
Lance from a large record player, then reappearance in the audience,
and both levitations. The first levitation was of a girl in a very
sheer outfit. It was obvious that there was no harness on her etc. She
was levitated from a sleeping position on a lion skin(?) that was over
1ft thick.(this base needs to be disguised as something else) This was
followed by a Keller levitation of Lance with the same girl laying on
top of him. Very sensual movements by both during this lev. act out a
great fantasy. As climax both float up into the flys.
There was a great middle act by juggler Michael Goudot(sp?). He was a
very funny guy. He started playing classical music on the ancient
screaming candles, juggled bean bag chairs, large knives, apples etc.
Weaker points of Lances show were DeKolta chair vanish of audience
member, card manipulations and cigarette manipulations. In my opinion
he should drop the cigarette work. He does it well but it doesn't play
very strong. (Possibly just a lot of non-smokers in the audience these
days)
I also wish this show had a printed program to help remember what was
done and to provide a souvenir of the show. This would also help Lance
build better name recognition.
After the show we met with Lance for a short while and discussed the
development of the show and news of who was in town etc. After this
(about 1 am)Jerry Burton had to leave for his flight home. The rest of
us were off to Darwin's Magic Club meeting at Pat's chinese restaurant.
Here we caught up with Leslie Manning from LA and shared
jokes,cardtricks,thimble and thumbtip moves with Gary Darwin who has
authored a few books on the art of using a thumbtip. We also spent some
time with Geno Munari, Hardeen and some of the other locals. Yes, Iggy
was there too but he had no clue as to who we were and left us alone.
He was too busy showing his freshly purchased packet trick to his twin.
We closed Pat's down but continued on in the parking lot until Biro-san
and the Tabman were bushed. Frog was famished for chinese food but was
unable to get any at Pat's as they had stopped serving hours before we
arrived. So Frog, Leslie, VanVranken and Carpenter went on the great
chinese food hunt. We finally ended at the Imperial Station's coffee
shop. and talked there 'till 6 am. The party finally broke up as
VanVranken had to be to work by 7am and we were all out of steam.
Everyone went back to their hotels for a little sleep. We saw a
beautiful sunrise on the way over.
Day 2
Lichtman, Biro, Carpenter, and Tabman were all up by 8-8:30 am and out
for a quick bite to eat (snack bar) then on to Gamblers Book Club. We
stayed there browsing and finding old treasures 'till the Frog was
almost sure he'd miss his plane. We dropped him off at the airport just
in time. Biro then had to meet with clients so the MAGIC! Vegas bash
was over. Thanks for a great time guys!
-Burt C.
Msg #22797 Dated 21:13:13 10-16-91 22737 <--> 22801
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Met a lady once whose last name was Captain. She was an officer
in the Air Force. One guess what her rank was. Her husband wanted
to change their last name to General. He was a Major.(true story)
David (the other one)
Msg #22798 Dated 21:13:18 10-16-91 22742 <--> 22812
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
Sounds like a good enough reason to me. If I used that feature,
that's how I'd want it.
Msg #22799 Dated 21:13:22 10-16-91 22761 <--> 22810
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
Don't forget our newest David. David Sacks.......this is getting
confusing! Maybe I can find another name.
Try explaining "VanVranken" a few hundred times!
("What did you say your name was again? Ben Franklin?")
David (the first other)(really!)
Msg #22800 Dated 21:13:28 10-16-91 22771 <--> 22808
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
Sounds more appetizing than the fried chips I get at work!
(Hey Pete, my first one-liner! How'd I do?)
Msg #22801 Dated 1:01:11 10-17-91 22736 <--> 22802
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Maybe the first time. But no one is going to see a disappointment more
times than is absolutly necessary.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22802 Dated 1:02:04 10-17-91 22737 <--> 22803
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Like Major Major in Catch 22?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22803 Dated 1:03:16 10-17-91 22763 <--> 22804
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Why not "Private Quarters?"
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22804 Dated 1:04:33 10-17-91 22769 <--> 22816
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Why didn't that show go anywhere? I really enjoyed that show, but had
to hunt for it. Bizarre--suits me fine!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22805 Dated 1:10:56 10-17-91 22766 <--> 22831
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
The essence did jell. I understand completely, which in itself should
give you some idea of the way I think.
I am not rich, anbdd I do read and learn, just not as much as I would
like to. I have the University of California at Riverside just 15
minutes walk from my house, and the melvyl library system as far as my
computer is away. It would just be fun to do nothing else for awhile.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22806 Dated 1:18:41 10-17-91 22784 <--> 22807
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
Indeed, Marvin, I would be interested in the Steadicam Jr.! I will
give you a call in the morning - thanks for thinking of me!
Msg #22807 Dated 1:21:14 10-17-91 22790 <--> 22839
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
Marvin might trade the Steadicam for the set of locked books.
Msg #22808 Dated 1:21:59 10-17-91 22785 <--> 22809
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
Sheesh! Sorry to hear about car problems. Same here - comin' home
from the Castle tonite the Coolant light came on and I think that I
just fried the engine in the Cad. I'm not going to look until morning.
Doesn't surprise me that Tab is good at photog - he's good at
everything! Well, not everything - I thought photo assistants were
also supposed to look good in bikinis.
Msg #22809 Dated 1:24:17 10-17-91 22786 <--> 22867
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
The city in Italy was named REM after Remulus. Romulus was his sidekick
and he faxed him the plans, which were later destroyed in the fire
caused by Nero's fiddle. When the dust settled, the only copy was
found in Romulus' office, so he got all the credit.
Msg #22810 Dated 1:28:00 10-17-91 22787 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MULHOLLAND PT. 2
I'd try going down the same street again, but I can't remember which
one it was.
Msg #22812 Dated 1:30:41 10-17-91 22789 <--> 22813
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
The new system is so fast that it is very difficult to get the Ctrl-K
in quick enough now. Data is stored in a buffer and shoots right out
the modem. Glad you got a hot key though. Now if you can teach it to
roll over in your hand you really got somethin'.
Msg #22813 Dated 1:32:00 10-17-91 22798 <--> 22837
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
OK, thanks, David. I'll put you down as voting to leave it as is.
Frankly, now that it has been explained, I like the way it is setup
too.
Msg #22814 Dated 1:36:57 10-17-91 22793 <--> 22833
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: VEGAS!
An excellent report on the MAGIC! in Las Vegas get-together! Sounds so
great I really wish I 'd been there!
Truly, it was an excellent couple of days.
Msg #22816 Dated 1:43:51 10-17-91 22797 <--> 22817
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
That's funny about Capt. Captain! I think Tab has a bit he used to do
when calling his wife - but will let him tip it.
By the way, my wife has done a real number on me this week. You know
how some wives run home to Mama? Well, she took off on a business trip
for the week and had her folks fly out here! Noww _that_ is a real
threat - "I'm leaving and I'm sending _you_ my mother!"
Msg #22817 Dated 1:47:12 10-17-91 22801 <--> 22818
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
True - it doesn't work for long. Frankly, I think the guy ("Harry
Houdini") is making a BIG mistake.
Msg #22818 Dated 1:48:16 10-17-91 22802 <--> 22889
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Yeah, Major Major. I guess we could be opening a Pandora's Box on name
bits if we keep this up. Did you ever consider changinng your first
name to Final?
Msg #22819 Dated 1:54:09 10-17-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENO MUNARI
Just got back from the Castle and from watching Geno do a great Parlour
act. But I'm too pooped to pop so will have to write the details
later.
Msg #22823 Dated 12:39:39 10-17-91 22401 <--> 22824
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
There are some things that even the Japanese wouldn't buy...and the
Federal Government is one of them.
.
TQM wouldn't work for magic...impossible to have profit as a bottom
line and all the magicians would want to be the boss.
Msg #22824 Dated 12:39:53 10-17-91 22402 <--> 22873
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
People just don't like to have to climb mountains to get what they
want out of life.
Msg #22825 Dated 12:40:01 10-17-91 22403 <--> 22875
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
We have booked conventions when the hotel was nothing but a hole in
the ground, half contructed, and almost completed. We have also had
renovation completely change the functional space we needed after
having booked a facility. Anything can happen, but they don't like
folks like us wanting to put strange things into their walls.
Msg #22827 Dated 12:40:30 10-17-91 22426 <--> 22845
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOPIT
Donno how you missed the TM and $ story in Vegas....YOU are the one
that told me...I thought....or was it Joe.
Msg #22828 Dated 12:40:38 10-17-91 22428 <--> 22829
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Sounds like you two had a ball. But tell me, are you gonna open a
casino or what? I mean...what are you gonna do with these things...
start a gambling demo lecture?
Msg #22829 Dated 12:40:48 10-17-91 22429 <--> 22846
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I had always thought that Fields originated the cigar boxes...I think
I read that in a biography once.
Msg #22830 Dated 12:40:56 10-17-91 22430 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FORCE BOOKS
Got all the Sunset books, but not the one on storage. Have just done
a lot of trial and error over the years. Best method is to give 'em
all to Good Will.
Msg #22831 Dated 12:41:07 10-17-91 22431 <--> 22832
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
If I didn't know better, I would think that you two are about to open
an illegial and crooked casino someplace.
Msg #22832 Dated 12:41:15 10-17-91 22655 <--> 22835
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Next thing you will be juggling cigar boxes...isn't that the next
feat of dexterity after dice stacking? Funny about stacking in that
you can feel its there before you actually see 'em. Reminds me of a
funny bit that Eddie used to do at the Forks, where he woould let a
die in his other hand drop onto the bar as if the top die of the
stack had fallen....then he would lift the cup to show the stack
intact.
Msg #22833 Dated 13:03:27 10-17-91 22814 <--> 22841
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS!
Yeah, I really wish you could have made it too.
Msg #22834 Dated 13:04:08 10-17-91 22411 <--> 22853
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE
Stan, I had the same problem with the End Of File character. THe
solution is to end your word processing documents with 2 returns. When
uploading into the message base MAGIC! will see only the two returns
and will give you the option menu. This places the EOF past MAGIC!'s
response where it does no harm.
Msg #22835 Dated 13:07:04 10-17-91 22441 <--> 22836
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Sorry Frog I don't have your picture. When I left the room there were
only two copies visible. Mine and what I presumed was TC's. If he had
already stowed a copy in his luggage perhaps that one was yours. Then
again Biro didn't get one. If he has one now........?
Msg #22836 Dated 13:09:40 10-17-91 22505 <--> 22838
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Geno the freeway driving here is no different than driving on the
Strip. Only difference is higher speed sometimes.
Msg #22837 Dated 13:11:53 10-17-91 22742 <--> 22840
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
David I like the new pointer system. I use it as I can check in and
read only my mail and not lose my place. This I can do at work daily or
so, then when i have more time I can rc;* to get the other messages
without having to review the last file to see where I left off.
Msg #22838 Dated 13:38:38 10-17-91 22835 <--> 22848
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
i AIN
GOT NOPI8XX NO PICTURES THAT IS... ERROR????
Msg #22839 Dated 13:39:22 10-17-91 22807 <--> 22882
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
Do you have the keys?
Msg #22840 Dated 13:39:25 10-17-91 22812 <--> 22880
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
I put the hot key in hand and burned it.
Msg #22841 Dated 13:39:28 10-17-91 22814 <--> 22868
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS!
You didn't recognize the description either, eh... I know my
excuse, but was yours MSG?
Msg #22845 Dated 13:40:03 10-17-91 22827 <--> 23111
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TOPIT
Mussta been jose... altho I recall at 2 ayem hearing sumpin.... ho
Msg #22846 Dated 13:40:06 10-17-91 22828 <--> 22847
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Lots happening... yep gaming stuff in the plan... a book with a
known ex cheat and one other guy... will let you know privately
when we meet n SLC...
Msg #22847 Dated 13:40:10 10-17-91 22829 <--> 22886
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
THAT WULD BE NEAT IF WC DID CREAT THE EFFECT. I will look in my
book "4000 Years of Juggling" and see if there are any references
and/or pix... today got a small "crate" labeled "Apples for Juggling"
-- nice marketing approach... will not open, is a displayable item,
for sure... hope to see Copperfield tomorrow and talk Quebec...
Msg #22848 Dated 13:40:17 10-17-91 22831 <--> 22849
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Yeah, but where... hahahahahah... My friend worked one in Mississipi
until about 6 years ago...
Msg #22849 Dated 13:40:20 10-17-91 22832 <--> 22856
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I thought I invented that gag of dropping the die!!! Altho I recall
seeing it a few times BEFORE I INVENTED IT... As far as I know the
FIRST magi to do the stacking was Johnny Paul. Crandall had the
first "correct" description in print. There was a guy (a bartender)
named Platt (not Johnny Platt) that Paul saw do a stack. He was not
a magician. I have a number of neat stunts with the stacing, but
the KING was a guy I saw at FISM that wound up with 6-inch dice
under waste basket... then produced so many dice his table was
buried in them... (folding type) -- I loved the act, but was not
considered a winner due to being "juggling".
.
As far as Biro Juggling Cigar Boxes... I tried many times and failed,
it is not easy... but have a similar effect that is a Killer that
I plan to market. Got it handed down to me from a retired circus
juggler. And to my knowledge NO ONE IN THE WORLD IS DOING IT.
.
Mark Leddy, the famed Ed Sullivan Show booker of novelty acts, saw
me do my routine and said it had one of the best walk off's he had
ever seen for a juggler. Ask Martha Stevens about it... i did it
for her in a show in Mexico City nightclub one time...
Msg #22853 Dated 17:37:09 10-17-91 22834 <--> 22879
From: STAN LAKE
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE
Thanks for the simple solution to a perplexing problem!
Msg #22855 Dated 18:04:22 10-17-91 -> 22858
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: HELP!
Greetings from the wine country. Haven't been around this place
much as I have been locking myself in the studio creating new
stuff.
I will be negotiating a number of contracts for out of town
performances. I am not real sure how to handle negotiating the
fees for travel and lodging. I would appreciate it if those with
experience in these matters would give me some hints.
I feel it is a toss up between building these costs into the
price of the act or itemizing the charges and informing the
customer of the extra charges.
These gigs will be at large conventions, mostly held at
large hotels. In this case should I pay for the room
and get reinmbursed through the performance fee, or
have the client pay for the room and handle the
accomodations on their own?
I really appreciate any advice y'all may have. After things
settle down I hope to become a more frequent contributor here.
Thanks. Steve Kucera "the Wine Country Wizard".
/
Msg #22856 Dated 18:19:32 10-17-91 22838 <--> 22859
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
didn't think you had the pic. es pullin yer leg. Thanks again for
everything.
Msg #22858 Dated 21:48:15 10-17-91 22855 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: HELP!
My advice, for what it is worth... when I was doing trade shows you
have a SET FEE. You then add on, Air, Taxis, parking, meals, hotel,
etc. Some firms do not want a free ride on food, etc. and prefer a set
per diem per day charge. Or you can just charge room and travel. But
you must get your price PLUS the travel/accomodation.
Msg #22859 Dated 21:49:39 10-17-91 22856 <--> 22866
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I don't got no snaps... good visitin in LV... see you soon?
Msg #22861 Dated 21:52:35 10-17-91 22739 <--> 22949
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: PRACTICE
yo dude!!!
just bought me a mac used and loded with software :inhale:
(holding hit) ahhhhhhh.....thats better! i have typed an artical from
the sf chronical which will be posted by wednesday. about the fdire
eated.....yeah ted parties.....drinks like a fish.......what a
strange group of magicians that party up here....nice joe given ish....
you really are making genii up to usual quality.....what no more gay
magician articals (hold on) :inhale:
(holding....exhaleing.....)better. now where was i..... as i write
this.....wow......talk to you soon & say hi to suzzanne for me.....
scotty the magic clown....
Msg #22862 Dated 21:58:43 10-17-91 22750 <--> 23203
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: BUBBLE GUY
michael:
louie pearl can prob make a solution for you or mfg. parts as
he makes injection molds for bubble blowers. scott
Msg #22864 Dated 22:42:22 10-17-91 22674 <--> 23115
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
Thanks for the hope re: real estate gods smiling on the tabman. Will
be great to see you in Dec in SLC...
Msg #22866 Dated 22:42:30 10-17-91 22682 <--> 22870
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Remind me tomorow to check to see if I've got both yours and mine
though I thought I only had one, but haven't really looked for it
yet.
Msg #22867 Dated 22:42:34 10-17-91 22705 <--> 22966
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
Hey Harrison: Glad to hear from you. Saw that the Sysop took care of
you on your ROM question, and he's def the man to do it. I'm ok, just
in from the road and bushed. Will holler at you tomorrow.
Msg #22868 Dated 22:42:38 10-17-91 22793 <--> 22878
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: VEGAS!
Was good spending time with you Burt, and thanks for the great
photo. I UPSed it to myself from Walnut Creek.
Msg #22870 Dated 22:42:45 10-17-91 22832 <--> 22872
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
It's funny. I tried off and on for years to learn the stacking from
Sen. Crandall's book but with no luck. Pete is a great teacher and
had me stacking dice in five minutes on his kitchen counter. You
can't beat masterful instruction, no way!!
Msg #22872 Dated 22:59:17 10-17-91 22849 <--> 22876
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
When I first saw Jimmy Herpick demo the Dice Stack in Tannen's in late
1955, he did the dropping the palmed die gag -- so it has been around
a while. Incidentally -- while I have never been a great Marlo fan --
I thought his SHOOT THE WORKS was an excellent book on dice work in
general and the stack in particular.
Msg #22873 Dated 0:10:49 10-18-91 22823 <--> 22874
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Hmmmm.... Think I'll write a book on TQM in magic - should be
interesting... Short, but interesting.
Msg #22874 Dated 0:11:38 10-18-91 22824 <--> 22911
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Yeah, they don't want to climb the mountains, they just wanna read the
book or see the video.
Msg #22875 Dated 0:12:33 10-18-91 22825 <--> 23120
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Hmmm... Seems to me that whenever magicians gather at a hotel, they
already have strange things between their walls. At IBM, Tab had a big
Anvil case on wheels with all his stuff in it. As the bellman wheeled
it up to the room I looked at Tab and said, "I still think we shoulda
put in airholes - I'll bet he ain't doin' too good in there..." Tab
said, "Don't worry, he'll be OK." Bellman said, "Uh, what do you have
in here?" And I said, "A King Cobra." Face it - they had strange
things in their walls - and our room didn't get made up for four days.
Then again, it didn't get robbed either!
Msg #22876 Dated 0:18:43 10-18-91 22835 <--> 22877
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I thought that one of 'em was mine. Will have to ask Geno to call
Pat's when he gets back to L.V. Meanwhile, if you get this in the
a.m., I got your voice call - come to lunch - we'll make room. And
there will definitely be a "couple" of surprises!
Msg #22877 Dated 0:21:03 10-18-91 22866 <--> 22892
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
OK, here is a reminder - check for the pic! Thanks! Was good seein'
ya', I just wish we had more time together. Y'all hurry back.
Msg #22878 Dated 0:22:49 10-18-91 22841 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS!
No, MSG doesn't seem to affect me too much. But it has been a busy
couple of weeks.
Msg #22879 Dated 0:23:29 10-18-91 22834 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN AT ICE HOUSE
BURT! That idea of two cariage returns for getting rid of the
end-of-file character is a GREAT ONE. Thank you for suggesting it!
Msg #22880 Dated 0:24:25 10-18-91 22837 <--> 22881
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
OK, one more vote for the way programming did it. It sounds like we
should leave it the way it is - that being able to check personal mail
without disturbing one's position in the message base is a good idea.
Thanks for your comment.
Msg #22881 Dated 0:25:50 10-18-91 22840 <--> 22890
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
"I put the hot key in hand and burned it." You burned the hand? Or
the key? Wait a minute - you are the guy who melted the tea pot!
Guess you mean that you burned the key!
Msg #22882 Dated 0:26:43 10-18-91 22839 <--> 22894
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
No, I don't have the keys to the locked books, but, as I recall, the
instructions on how to open 'em without the keys are printed in the
books.
By the way, I decided to pass on the Steadicam. It is too "techy" for
my purposes.
Msg #22886 Dated 1:04:04 10-18-91 22429 <--> 22891
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I remember reading somewhere that WC DID originate the cigar box
juggling bit. He used it in his vaudville act. I have a collection of
WC photos. If anyone knows of a source for them I would appreciate
knowing about it. I have one whole wall dedicated to him.
Msg #22887 Dated 1:04:08 10-18-91 22547 <--> 22930
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HELLO
See Evan there is definite confirmation that there really is another
Evan Katz. He has a magic shop in PA.
Msg #22888 Dated 1:04:10 10-18-91 22728 <--> 22898
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC! CHALLENGE
Two methods -
.
1 - The chips on chain are scored on the back (about half way thru)
When the spectator chooses a color, you already have your hand in yo
ur pocket with your fingers on the catch, as a reference. You move to
the selected color and break the chip in half and it falls off.
.
Produce the chain with the chip missing. You have six single, duplica
te chips in an index holding inside the pocket. Your reach back in an
d produce a duplicate color. The plastic chips would work best.
.
2- Have six chains in an index with the duplicate chip loose. When th
the color is chosen.
.
What do I win ??
Msg #22889 Dated 1:04:22 10-18-91 22737 <--> 22902
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
Why not use Major Major ala Catch 22 ? I always wanted to change
my name to Parts and join the Army with the rank of Private, but
they used that name in The Devil in Miss Jones II.
Msg #22890 Dated 1:04:25 10-18-91 22782 <--> 22893
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
I logged in went to the U section, selected MA and chose option 3.
Puts MAGIC! back the way my script likes it. I'll try to remember to
upload copies of the scripts I'm using with YOUR name in them, all
you'll have to do is put in your password.
Msg #22891 Dated 1:04:29 10-18-91 22847 <--> 22897
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
WC DID create the cigar box juggling bit. It was in his vaudiville
act for years.
Msg #22892 Dated 7:33:50 10-18-91 22872 <--> 22901
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Marlo's Shoot the Works has good stuff in it, but the STACK
description is innacurate.... tsk.... you CAN learn it from his
tome, if you LUCK INTO the technique... Audley Walsh mss. is also
a goody... but Crandall had the best on the basics. IMHO!
Msg #22893 Dated 7:33:55 10-18-91 22881 <--> 22899
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
KEY IS RESTING WITH TEAPOT... U GOTIT.
Msg #22894 Dated 7:33:58 10-18-91 22882 <--> 22919
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
Do you recall what page number?
Msg #22897 Dated 7:34:07 10-18-91 22886 <--> 22900
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
YOU RAT... I ONLY HAVE A THIRD OF A SMALL WALL. However, Fields
did DO the boxes... I have a picture (in a book) circa 1880 showing
a circus act doing boxes, same size shape, but white.
Msg #22898 Dated 7:34:12 10-18-91 22888 <--> 22915
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC! CHALLENGE
YOU WIN A PRIZE FOR MEMORY. THAT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS. ASK
MAVEN.... ARGH?
Msg #22899 Dated 7:34:16 10-18-91 22890 <--> 22917
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
You can do it ... my password is " ". OK?
Msg #22900 Dated 7:34:18 10-18-91 22891 <--> 22904
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
See my earlier message. I am going to do more research in my book,
"4000 Years of Juggling"... but got to sign off and hit it to
the airport RIGHT NOW.... BYE.............................
Msg #22901 Dated 7:41:50 10-18-91 22877 <--> 22913
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Yeah definately a good time with you as usual. Will check for the
pictrue in my brief case.
Msg #22902 Dated 7:59:41 10-18-91 22685 <--> 22916
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI?
The reason that the membership applicants are published is to permit
members an opportunity to raise objections if they feel so inclined.
Any objections would then be checked out before membership is granted
otherwise there is no practical way we can run checks on everyone
before granting membership.
Msg #22903 Dated 7:59:56 10-18-91 22686 <--> 22905
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
Do you do storyboards for your "dreems"?
Msg #22904 Dated 8:00:02 10-18-91 22687 <--> 22908
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Graffiti on the Swiss railroads!!
Do the chocolate trees have bites taken out of them?
Msg #22905 Dated 8:00:10 10-18-91 22689 <--> 22953
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
No wonder you have so much trouble skating if your expertise is in
wing walking.....maybe you should get a leg walking license as well.
Msg #22907 Dated 8:00:52 10-18-91 22691 <--> 22922
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
I suspect that most would feel more comfortable with the four footed
beasties than the two legged ones!
Msg #22908 Dated 8:01:00 10-18-91 22693 <--> 22914
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Speaking of illiteracy and related areas....that was an excellent
accounting of the court activity on the sale of the Mulholland
collection....really made one feel as if they were on the spot.
Thanks!
Msg #22909 Dated 8:01:13 10-18-91 22694 <--> 22923
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I just commented on your live report in my last message since I did
not realize you were about to mention it in the next message!
.
The new MAGIC! looks great!
Congrats! and Thanks!
Msg #22911 Dated 8:01:42 10-18-91 22696 <--> 22926
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Depends on his timing.
.
(I'm kidding)
Msg #22912 Dated 8:01:52 10-18-91 22718 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: M A G I C
You are certainly most welcome. I enjoy seeing what folks like you
have to say and you came so close to my thoughts on the issue, I
felt I should tell you. There is certainly a lot of promise yet to
be realized.
Msg #22913 Dated 8:02:04 10-18-91 22730 <--> 22918
From: BILL WELLS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I don't mind the kids at the door so much as I do those damn phone
calls during dinner time!! They should outlaw phone rooms and phone
solicitations!
Msg #22914 Dated 9:30:05 10-18-91 22908 <--> 22954
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Thank you for your kind words, Bill. The detail on the Mulholland
collection sale was entered live on the spot with David Copperfield
reading over my shoulder (actually, that is not 100% correct, as Jim
Steinmeyer was behind me, so, had there been any reading over the
shoulder, he would have had to do it. David was seated to my right.
But I like the metaphore, so what the heck).
Msg #22915 Dated 9:34:35 10-18-91 22888 <--> 23038
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC! CHALLENGE
Approach #2 is a little impractical, I think. As to #1 - very
interesting! I guess we could sell refill chip sets?
Msg #22917 Dated 9:41:54 10-18-91 22893 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW MAGIC! FEATURES
Man, a guy who can melt teapots and burn keys must be a H*ll of a
smokinn' card man!
Msg #22918 Dated 9:43:51 10-18-91 22901 <--> 22928
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Thanks. Let me know if you have the pic. I remember bein' most
careful to try to keep it with my jacket at Pat's so that I would keep
the two of them together. Out in the parking lot at 4 a.m. I remember
handing you the jacket to take back to the hotel, but I don't have a
specific memory of handing you the pic.
Msg #22919 Dated 9:47:26 10-18-91 22894 <--> 22924
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
I don't recall the specific page number that the instructions for
unlocking the books is on. But if you will send me the key, I'll
unlock my copy and look.
Msg #22922 Dated 9:57:22 10-18-91 22907 <--> 23194
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
I always found the four footed beasties to be pretty predictable. Even
the 'gators normally "post a warning" if you approach too close for
their comfort. And while it is possible to cross paths with a deranged
serial killer 'gator (seriously), it is far LESS LIKELY than meeting
the two legged type on a subway!
Msg #22923 Dated 9:59:53 10-18-91 22909 <--> 23195
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VIDEOS
Thanks for your message, Bill. You should see the new MAGIC! at 9600
V.42bis! It is really awesome then! I am keeping my eye out for a
good deal on 9600's to pass on to our members, but I really haven't
seen one I like yet. Also kinda waitin' to see what the first quarter
of 1992 brings - V.32bis with 14,400 bps and a theoretical "throughput"
of up to 56,000 bps is waitin' in the wings.
Msg #22924 Dated 10:03:30 10-18-91 22882 <--> 22927
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
David: That's great. I go to all the trouble to call you, pass up the
chance to make money, my guy spends time looking at the equipment, and
you don'dt even tell me that you passed on the Steadicam.
But Pete you tell. Guess I'll have to get buddy-buddy with you.
Wonder what happened in Vegas?
Msg #22926 Dated 10:08:10 10-18-91 22911 <--> 23118
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Nathan's timing is pretty good if you don't run any fire engines past
while he is performing. Actually, I think he did pretty good at
handing even that! He will probably be attending DMS so you could talk
with him about it then and he could do it as an impromptu opening. I'd
need to know in advance so I would know to bring his props, costume,
etc.
Msg #22927 Dated 10:11:48 10-18-91 22924 <--> 22972
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
I saw the Stedicam from 2:30 to 3:00 and then had to immediately head
out for a meeting. I told Pete at about 1 a.m. and figured that you
would read it here and that we would talk today at lunch, since I would
be seeing you then. Pete did a knockout "pick a card" in Vegas and I'm
dying to show it to your wife, and Nathan tried to argue me into
letting him wear his Birns and Sawyer T-shirt to school today (I told
him it was too special to wear to school), so what else do you want?
Msg #22928 Dated 11:02:50 10-18-91 22859 <--> 22943
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
HOPE SO.
Msg #22930 Dated 19:32:26 10-18-91 22887 <--> 22965
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HELLO
Jerry--
Please excuse me -- I THINK I remember meeting you, but the convention
was so crazy. If you're ever around, please drop into the shop. In
the meantime, it appears you've mistaken me for another Evan Katz.
This has become a somewhat vexing problem for me on occasion, as I am
told that this other Evan Katz is cantankerous, sharp-tongued, and has
many angry, vindictive (though incredibly beautiful) women after him.
Msg #22931 Dated 19:34:41 10-18-91 -> 22947
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: IMPENDING NUPTIALS
The day nears.
Msg #22932 Dated 19:35:17 10-18-91
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: PENDING NUPTIALS
To those of you who don't know what "the day" is, you haven't been
playing close enough attention.
Msg #22933 Dated 19:36:03 10-18-91
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: MY HONEYMOON
It is my understanding that in most countries in Europe, there is a
"Crime of Passion" defense that does not exist in this country, whereby
the penalties for killing a loved one might conceivably be less severe
than they would be here. If anyone has any details on this, let me
know.
Msg #22934 Dated 19:37:39 10-18-91
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: THE OTHER EVAN KATZ
Drat! It's that other Evan Katz leaving embarassing messages hinting
at the possible murder of his wife! This is not ME! The guy's out of
his mind! This in in poor taste! Jeez!
Msg #22941 Dated 22:39:17 10-18-91 -> 22942
From: GARY PLANTS
To: ALL
Re: ED MARLO
I just talked with Steve Draun from Chicago and he had some pretty bad
news to pass on. He told me that Ed Marlo has been taking chemo
treatments for the last week. He has leukemia. I thought that some of
you might want to send a card or letter. His address is:
Mr. Ed Marlo
2631 N. Sacramento Blvd
Chicago, IL 60647
I am sure that Marlo would enjoy hearing from some of his "cardicians".
Msg #22942 Dated 22:53:50 10-18-91 22941 <--> 22969
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: ED MARLO
Thanks for posting the sad news about Ed Marlo, Gary. It always hurts
to see messages like that. On the other hand, without such news the
magic community would never know in time. Certainly our thoughts are
with Mr. Marlo and our cards of support will be heading in his
direction. Please keep us informed.
Msg #22943 Dated 22:57:56 10-18-91 22928 <--> 22959
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Burt brought one of the famous pics to lunch today AND IT WAS MINE! I
know 'cause I'd put a corner crimp in it when I got it. I let him keep
it because that means that if it got back to the hotel OK, then TAB
should have TWO in his stuff and should find 'em when he unpacks. Then
Tab can send me one of 'em.
Msg #22947 Dated 23:06:23 10-18-91 22931 <--> 22950
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: IMPENDING NUPTIALS
The day does indeed near, Evan! The fateful hour, after which your
life will never be the same, impends. But, of course, you have the
thoughts and good wishes of your friends to support you through and
those will buoy you through those nerve-shattering, voice-cracking
moments of the ceremony and perhaps even to the moment when reality
sets in - "Trapped! Like a rat on a sinking ship!"
Seriously, all our expressions of joy and felicitation are extended to
your and your intended in this hour. May your new lives together be
blessed.
Msg #22949 Dated 23:28:39 10-18-91 22861 <--> 22974
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: PRACTICE
Suzanne says hello. You still table hopping at
"Carmens"?
Msg #22950 Dated 23:32:08 10-18-91 22947 <--> 22951
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IMPENDING NUPTIALS
Thank you very much, David. I have a question for you about an element
of the Jewish ceremony. As I'm sure you know, an essential tradition
is the breaking of a glass. My question is, how do you find a glass
light enough so that it doesn't cause a head injury in the bride?
Msg #22951 Dated 23:35:53 10-18-91 22950 <--> 22961
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: IMPENDING NUPTIALS
Uh, Evan - There may be some variant of the glass breaking ceremony in
the more liberal wings of Judaism of which I am unaware, but in the
traditional approach, the bride's head does not normally come into
proximity with the glass. A far more likely injury is your missing the
glass and crushing her toes, and most brides customarily wear steel
tipped shoes since they want to make their position clear to the groom
from the very first.
Naturally, in the most Orthodox circles, the bride is so heavily veiled
that not only would flying glass fail to injure her, but she could take
up arc welding during the spare time in the ceremony. As a matter of
fact, it is always wise to take a peek prior to the ceremony to make
sure that it is the right woman inside of all that regalia.
The glass is normally wrapped in heavy cloth and is placed very close
to the heel of the groom's right shoe (assuming he is right footed).
The move is a simple one - you lift your foot and crush the glass.
This may be practiced at home, prior to the ceremony, by using empty
ketchup bottles.
The basis of this tradition should be pointed out to those who are not
of the Jewish faith. The breaking of the glass symbolizes our grief at
the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem. It is a sign that even at
the moment of our happiness (such as a wedding), we are reminded of our
sadness at the loss of our ancestoral place of worship. More
generically, of course, it serves as a similar reminder of the
suffering that exists in the World.
P.S., Evan - It is considered very poor form not to break the glass on
the first shot.
Msg #22952 Dated 1:59:06 10-19-91 -> 22970
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: TIRED
Biro here, is after 2 ayem. I have always WARNED people to not see
shows in wrong order. IE don't see Siegfried and Roy first, then
another magic show... DAVID COPPERFIELD HAS JUST PROVEN ME WRONG!!
.
KILLER KILLER NEW STUFF!!!!!
.
John Gaughan told me he had just invented a NEW LEVITATION that will
make all others obsolete.... TRUST ME... David F L I E S around
the stage and INTO A HUGE GLASS BOX, LID ON IT AND HE WALKS AROUND
INSIDE THE BOX UPSIDE DOWN.... I HAVE N *-O CLUE NO CLUE... I AM
SKUNKED... THIS IS BIGGER THAN THE CARD ON THE TRAIN WINDOW....
.
NO IDEA... I CAN'T HANDLEIT, MUST TAKE TRANQUILIZER AND GO TO SLEEP.
MY CLIENT THOUGHT S&r WAS A GRATE SHOW THEN JUST NOW SAID COPPERFIELD
IS THE BEST SHOW HE HAS EVER SEEN!!!!! GOT TO SIGN OFF AND GET SOME
SLEEP HAVE PHOTO SHOOT IN MORNING... AARGH ARGGHHE ZZZZZZZZ
Msg #22953 Dated 2:11:48 10-19-91 22903 <--> 23199
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ROTH REVIEW
No I dream reality... boy wait til yoiu see Copperfield'snew levi..
And the dancing necktie that sings... holy s**t... blew me out
Msg #22954 Dated 2:11:52 10-19-91 22904 <--> 22956
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Trees are all gone
Msg #22956 Dated 2:11:59 10-19-91 22908 <--> 22985
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I talked with David C in the dressing room tonite. He is going to
bring Mullholland stuff to Vegas "To catalog" and has NOT DECIDED
ON PERMANENT SITE YET.
Msg #22959 Dated 2:12:12 10-19-91 22943 <--> 22977
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
tab has seven prints
Msg #22961 Dated 3:05:45 10-19-91 22951 <--> 22979
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IMPENDING NUPTIALS
I am curious about this -- would it be considered bad form to RESTORE
the glass? And if you did, would you be divorced?
Msg #22965 Dated 4:40:29 10-19-91 22480 <-
From: STEPHEN WATSON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HELLO
Evan, the Evan Katz that I thought you were lives near Harrisburg,
Pennsylvania, and has of all things a Magic Shop in Lemoyne, PA.
He performs under the name of Lee Germain. Good talking to you,
even if I got the wrong Evan.
Steve
Msg #22966 Dated 6:19:28 10-19-91 22752 <--> 22967
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
Pete: Many thanks!
Msg #22967 Dated 6:21:14 10-19-91 22773 <--> 22968
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
It's a long ride out this way no matter how ya do it. It's a lot longer
than the ride home. Anyway, this seems far more entailed than I
thought. I have a diagnostic disk manager & maintenance software from
ontrack computer systems. It is for setting up CMOS. I thought I could
possibly just go out and get a newer version which would allow me to
setup the drive and be done with it. I don't understand why I would
have to "take the hood off". Yes there is a user group here, but being
on the road so frequently I miss most of the meetings. But I guess I'll
try that. Thanks a bunch for your help.
Msg #22968 Dated 6:25:49 10-19-91 22867 <--> 22983
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SETUP
Tabman:
Glad to see you're busy. Are you going to Rochester? Doesn't look
like I'll make it. If I do it will be like the last time just for the
day.
Msg #22969 Dated 6:28:56 10-19-91 22941 <--> 22973
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: ED MARLO
Gary:
Thanks for the info on Ed. I hate to hear about the Chemo.
Msg #22970 Dated 6:30:56 10-19-91 22952 <--> 22975
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIRED
Pete:
I was told that Copperfield had been doing this in his show in
Atlantic City a couple weeks back. It was supposed to be unbelieveable.
Can't wait to see it!
Msg #22971 Dated 8:15:16 10-19-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MORE DC
It would be difficult for me to do a "trick" review of
Copperfield at Caesars... having just come from the early
Seigfried and Roy show and my brain filled with magical effects.
But the big difference in the shows is you are seeing a gigantic,
Msg #22972 Dated 8:57:58 10-19-91 22924 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: EQUIPMENT
Marvin, it is very well possible that with Copperfield moving the
Mulloholland collection to Las Vegas, and with Gary Darwin's
vast book library, I think he is well over 6500 editions, that
Vegas will have one of the biggest arrays of magic to be found for
the researcher.
Darwin has also well over 5,000 cataloged magical effects and
apparatus.
Msg #22973 Dated 8:58:12 10-19-91 22941 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: ED MARLO
I wish we had someone in Chicago that could hook it up on the
computer.....so he could see how many friends he really has.
Msg #22974 Dated 8:58:19 10-19-91 22949 <--> 23019
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: PRACTICE
Dante, thank everyone at the Magic Castle, this has been a real
treat for me to perform there. Last night I saw Leo Beneke(sic)
and he should me the new Wright book.....this is so fascinating.
Please let us know where it can be purchased, cause I would like to
take one home with me.
We also chatted about magic in LA years ago and the old Edna Earl's
Fog Cuttrer restaurant, where the SAM would meet. There I met
Blackstone senior, Chang, Joe Berg, John Daniels, et al...I
remember a special show that the assembly put on at Plummer's park,
it was great. I was about 15 years old. John Daniles was really
nice to me and I never forgot him because he was supposed to have
a card trimmer and corner rounder. I was told that he moved to
Phoenix later and I lost track of him. Put it has been so long, he
would not remember me . Anyway I finally have found a corner
rounder and trimmer, but still have to learn to use it.
Just picked up a copy of Genii, October ......and it is crammed
full of good material. Great!
Msg #22975 Dated 8:58:45 10-19-91 22952 <--> 22980
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIRED
I think David puts on a great show, but more important, he is
dedicated, as is Lance....They both do a tremendous amount of
research.....hence great ideas and good shows...
Msg #22977 Dated 9:06:54 10-19-91 22943 <--> 22988
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I don't think I have the third photo. When I got back to the room I
put mine in my attache and left the other two out for you guys to
fight over. I looked in the attache this morning and only one photo.
Maybe it'll turn up in the box of books I UPSed myself from Walnut
Creek.
Msg #22979 Dated 9:07:02 10-19-91 22950 <--> 22990
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: IMPENDING NUPTIALS
Ah Evan. You will soon be joining some us in the land of the living
dead!
Msg #22980 Dated 9:07:06 10-19-91 22952 <--> 22984
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIRED
I trust Alexander is now well on his way to becoming a magicalumpen-
and I use the term fondly in a interested beginner sort of way----.
Glad to see you landed OK in LV and that you guys are doing good. At
leat you don't have to drive half way across the desert today to shoo
t.
Msg #22983 Dated 9:07:42 10-19-91 22968 <--> 22992
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
Doesn't look like I'll be at CEMK this year as it is right in the
middle of our move south to Tennessee. You are on my list of folks
to notify of address and phone changes so expect to hear from me on t
hat before Thanksgiving. See you at FFFF I guess.
Msg #22984 Dated 9:22:50 10-19-91 22975 <--> 23026
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIRED
Maybe Cop is flyin' 'cause he just got the Mulholland? Geno says he
likes to do research -- well, he just got a nice pile of books.
Seriously - I have got to get over there and see that! Thanks for
staying up long enough to post the early report.
Msg #22985 Dated 9:25:51 10-19-91 22956 <--> 23121
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
THANKS for the info, Pete!!! Nothing like "horses mouth!"
Msg #22988 Dated 9:30:30 10-19-91 22977 <--> 23039
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
Will trust to the box. Let me know if it shows up. If not, no big
deal.
Msg #22990 Dated 9:37:53 10-19-91 22961 <--> 23020
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IMPENDING NUPTIALS
I just checked with an authority. He says that although the symbolism
of the broken glass is really the one I indicated originially, that it
is often thought of as a metaphore for the irreversability of marriage.
Hence, while restoring it would not actually annul the marriage it
would certainly confuse things.
Msg #22991 Dated 10:43:59 10-19-91 -> 22993
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: OUT TO LUNCH
I want to thank everyone for their warm reception and the nice lunch at
the Magic Castle, and a special thank you and tip o' the hat to David
L., for arranging it. It was really fun and hope to make it down here
every month.
Msg #22992 Dated 10:46:17 10-19-91 22967 <--> 23092
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
CMOS is actually part of the hardware. Thus, to really change the way
it operates, you have to change the hardware itself. As I mentioned,
there are some software products that will also perform in its place.
In addition, depending on the way your system is set up, it is also
possible that the "card" that controls your disk drives has a "BIOS
extension" built in to it and that that could be changed (sometimes
just by moving a switch on the card) to fix the configuration. The
problem is that it is very difficult to know which element is doing
what in your machine without seeing it. Now I guess if I was truly a
good mentalist and software expert, I could have you look at the things
and I would be able to see what they look like - but you know how it is
- at any given moment, there hare hundreds of folks in the World
looking at the innards of their computers and that makes the image very
muddy. Best advice I can offer is to find the User Group and look for
the guy that most people ask questions of. He will probably be wearing
a Hawaiian print shirt and will have a pocket protector jammed full of
pens and screwdrivers (note: if there is no little screwdriver in the
pocket pack, he may only be a software expert - you want the guy with
the screwdriver. [further note - if the screwdriver is the kind that
has a little magnet on top and the magnet is still there, then he's not
a real expert]). A few words of encouragement and he will cheerfully
follow you home and diagnose your machine. A cold pizza on the table
and he will move in, at least until the supply of pizza runs out.
Msg #22993 Dated 11:01:59 10-19-91 22991 <--> 22999
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: OUT TO LUNCH
I haven't written my review of the MAGIC! Luncheon for GENO MUNARI yet,
I'm still recovering! OK, I'll give it a shot - each MAGIC! luncheon
and function has been terrific, but this was the most terrific! There
was a high level of energy and action in the Houdini Seance Room.
Everyone was "doin' stuff," even MARVIN STERN, who never does card
tricks, was doin' stuff.
GENO, of course, can kill with his "simple stuff" and the "good stuff"
is beyond belief (I don't believe S&R have a trademark on that term).
We went for almost four hours and no-one was bored or tired. It was a
real MAGIC! jam session.
BUT, there was more! It seems that early on Thursday morning, about 2
a.m., one of our members was thinking about how he hadn't seen Geno in
a long time, so he and his wife DECIDED TO FLY IN FOR LUNCH. So
MICHAEL and HANNAH AMMAR "dropped in" to be with Geno!!! Funny part
was they had to fight their way in! The waiter was refusing to let
them in because we "were a _private_ party!"
In short, this MAGIC! luncheon will certainly go down in my private
memory book as one of the best ever. And now that my wife is back in
town, we are trying to work out arrangements to go to the Castle to see
Geno again.
Msg #22998 Dated 11:58:01 10-19-91
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LVREVIEW
Pete,
I got the copy of File Xpress today, but haven't had time to
figure it out yet.
I'll let you know as soon as I do.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #22999 Dated 12:26:45 10-19-91 22993 <--> 23007
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: OUT TO LUNCH
Man oh man, are you guys rocking or what. Zounds like the GENO lunch
was a great jam session. Geno, Pete and I jammed in Vegas and I
can imagine what it must of been like in the charged atmosphere of
the Magic Castle. Geno is a teriffic guy and deserves all the
attention that ya'll were giving him. I know I was there in spirit
since you were in the Seance Room and the billet box we booby trapped
sits silently by. GREAT REPORT!!!
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