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Msg #24000 Dated 12:19:31 10-30-91 -> 24006
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: HECKLER
Force a card -- no force... just have heckler select a card, fold it
in two and HOLD IT BETWEEN HIS/HER TEETH FOR AWHILE...
I rmember seeing someone produce a HUGE scarf and place it OVER the
offending person...
Msg #24001 Dated 12:47:03 10-30-91 23986 <--> 24009
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
A great deal depends on the type of "I.Q. Test" that you were given.
If it was a paper and pencil test, then it is probably not particularly
useful, although the two score being that high do tend to support one
another. If it was a standardized I.Q. test such as the Stanford-Binet
or the Weschler, and if it was administered by a well-qualified
individual, then the "scores" are a bit more supportable. Actually,
the "margin of error" is not that dependent upon the distance from the
center of the curve. As a matter of fact, it is rather predictable -
one standard deviation being about 15 points on the Weschler and about
18 points on the Binet.
There is, of course, more than one definition of "genius." But
generally, in serious psychological circles, the clinical definition is
related to an I.Q. Test.
Frannkly, when all is said and done, I think I prefer the version with
a deck of cards. Or you can use a bucket of water and the individual's
foot - there is a .62 correlation between the amount of water displaced
by the person's dominant foot when inserted in the bucket of water, and
their I.Q.
Msg #24003 Dated 12:58:29 10-30-91 23990 <--> 24013
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
I don't know if "Hole-E-Ambitious" is new or not, but it is certainly
interesting! You gonna tip the work?
Msg #24005 Dated 13:04:19 10-30-91 23997 <--> 24047
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WIND-UP CARD FINDER
Hey! I see things that don't exist too! Guess I'm either a "genius"
or an "idiot."
Msg #24006 Dated 13:05:06 10-30-91 24000 <--> 24051
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HECKLER
Wowza, Pete! Having the heckler hold a card between his teeth or
covering him with a scarf are both very, er, - interesting - ideas!
Better would be to send him to the Himalayas for some yak butter for
your next effect.
Msg #24009 Dated 17:37:47 10-30-91 23986 <--> 24010
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
You're a genius at taking IQ tests. Just figure out a way to make a
buck off it and you've found your fame and fortune!
Msg #24010 Dated 17:40:14 10-30-91 24001 <--> 24017
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Aren't IQ tests a measure of a persons capacity for learning something
new rather than a test of what one already knows?
Msg #24011 Dated 17:43:17 10-30-91 23970 <--> 24037
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
No rush Kevin. Whatever works out best for you two is fine. What kind
of schedules do you and your wife have?
If the mail business is starting to make sense to you, you're in
trouble!
Msg #24013 Dated 19:53:55 10-30-91 23990 <--> 24015
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
The precise idea you describe is different than other related items I'm
aware of, but there are a number of similar routines in print. The
"Locked Deck" effect by Lu Brent (marketed several times sans credit)
has an obvious relationship in terms of effect. There's an effect of
mine called "Strung-Out" which essentially follows the same plot (using
string rather than nut&bolt), but takes the effect into an additional
phase. (If you're not familiar with this, you'll see it in the lecture
I do in Nashville.) Joe Berg also had a clever trick with similarity of
effect.
Some years back Tannen's marketed an effect which is, in a sense, the
reverse of your plot: a signed card was found skewered by a large nail
that was securely stuck through a block of wood, thus impossibily
locking the card into place. The method was sort of a reverse of the
one you're using for your routine.
Msg #24014 Dated 19:58:12 10-30-91 23995 <--> 24021
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
Ordinarily long flights do not affect me very much. However, in this
case my schedule was a bit intense: flew to Paris Thursday night,
arriving Friday evening. Performance Saturday night. Early Sunday
morning I flew to Heathrow, went through immigration, had a breakfast
meeting (at the airport), went back through immigration, flew back to
Paris, flew to L.A.
Msg #24015 Dated 19:59:46 10-30-91 24003 <--> 24018
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
He already did.
Msg #24017 Dated 21:46:48 10-30-91 24001 <--> 24023
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Does one with a club foot qualify?
Msg #24018 Dated 21:46:50 10-30-91 24003 <--> 24020
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #24020 Dated 21:46:56 10-30-91 24013 <--> 24022
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
Thanks for your input. I hope I can find the hardware needed by
the time I get to Nashville... but other pressing things have my
attention right now... like paying the mortgage, back taxes and
the Visa MasterCard BS!!!!!!!!!!!
I have come up with a super refined version of the Histed Sticks,
that I have an order for 50 sets of from one dealer! But can't find
the parts needed in the correct quanatity up here! Fun.... Later.
Msg #24021 Dated 21:47:04 10-30-91 24014 <--> 24056
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
I can dig it... some of my auto racing schedules used to be like
that... LAX, PARIS, NYC, LHR AND BACK.... ARGH.... BUT WAS 30 YEARS
YOUNGER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #24022 Dated 21:47:09 10-30-91 24015 <--> 24026
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
cOOOOOOOOOOOOOL OBSERVATION MAVEN-SAN.... HEHHEHEHEHHEHEH.....
Shows you what a LITTLE knowledge will NOT DO FOR ONE ....
Msg #24023 Dated 22:19:02 10-30-91 24010 <--> 24024
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Yes, that is supposed to be the definition of IQ - it is supposed to
define the size and speed of the hardware, not the amount of installed
software.
Msg #24024 Dated 22:20:13 10-30-91 24017 <--> 24032
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
In the case of a club footed person, you use the other foot.
Msg #24026 Dated 22:23:22 10-30-91 24015 <--> 24027
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
Guess I was asleep when he did.
Msg #24027 Dated 22:23:56 10-30-91 24018 <--> 24049
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
Oh! Max says you did tip the work, you say you didn't. Guess I'll go
park cars and see if I can get a tip.
Msg #24030 Dated 22:37:55 10-30-91 23994 <--> 24066
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRICK OR TREAT
I just met a member of the IBM out here in this neck of the woods
named George Warren, and I'm going to give him a call and go to a
meeting out here. In my heart? Yes. But magic is nothing
without people to share it with.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24031 Dated 22:38:00 10-30-91 23996 <--> 24050
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
Pete,
American Scientific (formerly Jerryco) has very good prices on
magnets. What do you need?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24032 Dated 22:38:04 10-30-91 23999 <--> 24033
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Pete,
Methinks I am seeing modesty at its highest form. I look forward
to the day when we meet, and I can safely conclude that I am
right.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24033 Dated 22:38:09 10-30-91 24001 <--> 24036
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Wow! I guess I am a genius. I have BIG feet.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24035 Dated 22:41:02 10-30-91 -> 24069
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
We do have Don Alan's book _Pretty Sneaky_ for $3.00. Glad the stuff
got to you. Later.
Charlie
Msg #24036 Dated 22:48:43 10-30-91 24009 <--> 24043
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Stan,
If I could figure out a way to make a buck off of a high I.Q.
score, I wouldn't need an I.Q. test to tell me how smart I
was.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24037 Dated 22:48:48 10-30-91 24011 <--> 24052
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
Stan,
I am extremly flexible, as I work whenever the jobs come. My
wife works early in the mornings, but has Friday, Saturday and
Sunday off. I fully agree with your reasoning for going during a
weeknight. I am not one for crowds. (Picked a strange
profession huh?) I have yet to talk with her about the schedule
yet. She has heard of the Castle, and really wants to see it.
(well, so do I.) Today has been one of the most depressing I
have ever had. Maybe tomorrow will be better, and I'll discuss
it with her then.
If I can get David's goat with a stray remark
about I.Q. tests, I am not going to TOUCH your set-up about the
mail service.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24038 Dated 23:06:19 10-30-91 23950 <--> 24053
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
Yamashiro is, in my opinion, an overrated restaurant with pedestrian
Japanese Cuisine...(No Biro jokes about crosswalks or tiremarks,
please!)... The view is the attraction there...not the food...my
advice is to go there for drinks and the view and go elsewhere for
dinner.
'W.
Msg #24039 Dated 23:29:51 10-30-91 -> 24098
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: CANCELLATION
Michael Griffin's up side down over the dolphin's water tank has been
cancelled. (Sorry left out the word strait-jacket) It seems some
environmentalists gave the farm a bad time about it. They felt he
might contaminate the water. So its no show!
Msg #24042 Dated 0:09:25 10-31-91 23980 <--> 24100
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
No the others were not in envelopes - I think that merely takes time
and doesn't really add that much. I could read who had the tubes just
by looking at who had white knuckles or their hands behind their back
s. I think when I'm down to only two inserts I could go ahead and
predict which one was in the tube, since it's 'vibrations' are 'clear
ly' less than the other remaining color. I'll try it that way next
time and let you know how it works out.
Msg #24043 Dated 0:09:32 10-31-91 23982 <--> 24044
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Careful David you are starting to get too critical and might scare
Kevin away ! Do you mean T A Waters, or is there really a T A Wateb ?
Msg #24044 Dated 0:09:35 10-31-91 23986 <--> 24045
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Kevin since you are relatively new to the board, do not be too
concerned about 'offending' anyone, these are some of the most
offensive people you are likely to come in contact with. Most of them
have a warped sense of humor, that can sound much more serious than
it really is.
.
Hold your ground and don't be intimidated by anyone, you'll get along
just fine and will learn a lot in the process.
.
Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #24045 Dated 0:09:44 10-31-91 23998 <--> 24046
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Speaking of the Death card I had a guy pull it up concerning the
central answer to his question. I was able to get around the initial
reaction. Contrary to popular belief it generally means the death of
something in your life that you should be getting rid of. Jeez, I
hope his question wasn't about his wife ??? I told him to get rid
of the problem as quickly as possible !
Msg #24046 Dated 0:09:50 10-31-91 24001 <--> 24055
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Rarely do I burst out laughing when reading the 'serious' discussions
on this board, but the foot in water test, blew me away. Does this
imply the mass of a person's foot is highly correlated to IQ. I had
always thought the foot correlation was to another part of the male
anatomy !
Msg #24047 Dated 0:09:56 10-31-91 24005 <--> 24058
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIND-UP CARD FINDER
Intelligence isn't a bell curve - its a circle. Genius merges into
idiocy, its all a question of how far from the 'norm' you are.
Msg #24048 Dated 0:09:59 10-31-91 23985 <--> 24114
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC! CHALLANGE
Post your address and I'll send a copy of the Robot Society newslette
r.
Msg #24049 Dated 0:10:02 10-31-91 24018 <--> 24063
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
What do you mean NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - you already spilled the beans on
this one. Any plans to market, sounds good.
Msg #24050 Dated 0:10:05 10-31-91 23996 <--> 24067
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
Best I have found is Magnet Sales & Mfg, 11250 Playa Court,
Culver City, CA 90230 (213) 391-7213. If they don't have what you
are looking for its probably not made - but they can make it for you!
Msg #24051 Dated 0:10:09 10-31-91 24006 <--> 24078
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HECKLER
Great idea - have him stand up with the card in his teeth and then
do a completely different effect. If he starts to sit down or take th
e card out, bring it back in momentarily and then do another effect.
After about 3 effects the guy would probably figure-out that he was
being put-on and just fade away.
.
Most hecklers, are either drunk or just want to have attention placed
on them. By bringing the person in and then leaving them hanging is a
good solution.
Msg #24052 Dated 0:10:17 10-31-91 24037 <--> 24070
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
You can always get David's goat, he has plenty - but watch out for
his frog !
Msg #24053 Dated 0:10:20 10-31-91 24038 <--> 24071
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
I recommended Yamishiro for the sunset - personally have only ordered
off the hor d' ouerve menu, can't really comment on the food. Price
is a relative thing.
Msg #24055 Dated 0:28:40 10-31-91 23982 <--> 24062
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I will jump in here, David, to point out that while in the service I
took the USAFI tests for 4th year college level; one fourth of the test
was mathematics -- algebra, calculus, etc., of which I then had NO
KNOWLEDGE whatsoever -- and I scored in the 87th percentile! Granted
that was a supposed knowledge test rather than an IQ test, stll -- what
was it measuring? Certainly it wasn't my knowledge of math.
Msg #24056 Dated 0:36:04 10-31-91 23976 <--> 24080
From: T A WATERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
I hear and obey. To the best of my knowledge the Gilegaloo Bird
routine was invented by Howard P. Albright -- and may well have been
described in an early Tops. Albright put out a lot of card stuff
through Abbott's.
Msg #24057 Dated 0:54:22 10-31-91 23956 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LUNCH
Ok, Pete, just let me know. If you need some great belly strippers
I am making them. A blue back and a red back to a set, or any deck yo
u send.
Msg #24058 Dated 0:54:30 10-31-91 23975 <--> 24101
From: GENO MUNARI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WIND-UP CARD FINDER
I wish that the program could also initiate a new message, without
leaving the program. And Jerry, does the rdmagic also delete
the old magic.rep, and magic.log?
Thanks
Msg #24062 Dated 7:27:08 10-31-91 24024 <--> 24068
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Is that like "turning the other cheek"?
.
I forgot one detail in my Copperfield Can Fly description. He flies
T H R O U G H a number of hoops held up onstage by assistants!
.
Even Mo' Bafflin' Bro's...
Msg #24063 Dated 7:27:15 10-31-91 24026 <--> 24064
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
Stay A Lert. Oh, no, Frogs can't be Lerts.
Msg #24064 Dated 7:27:18 10-31-91 24027 <--> 24076
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
Max is right and so am I. I did not specifically TIP my modus, but
by mentioning the Inspirational Source would give a major clue.
.
Not knockin' the Frog... 'cuz not everyone knows the secret of the
effect I mentioned. I didn't until it was tipped off to me. Even
after the first look see of the effect I wasn't 100-percent sure.
.
Hang in there, you will be the first to know.
Msg #24066 Dated 7:27:31 10-31-91 24030 <--> 24116
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TRICK OR TREAT
Kevin... just got the Jug tape... KILLER STUFF. Muchas Muchas.
Fields' bits are great... the old fella (Homer Stack) on the tape
is a nifty guy. I did some "tossing" with him and he also did some
teaching to Ricky Jay. Homer is said to have one of the world's
largest collection of FILM on Juggling. But he was (I think) 94
when the film was done and he may no longer be with us, as Gatto
was Nine in the film and I just saw him and he said he is 18.
That would put Homer at 102....
Funny, the room he juggled in every day had a very low ceiling,
like 7-feet... but most practice is done outside anyway.
Again tanks a ton.....
Msg #24067 Dated 7:27:43 10-31-91 24031 <--> 24077
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
I guess a catalog. There are several little prototypes I am making
and not sure -- kinda like to look stock over and think on things
to say, "hey, that will do.... etc." In NO Real Rush... thanks
Msg #24068 Dated 7:27:48 10-31-91 24033 <--> 24072
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
NOT if the feet are the same size!
Msg #24069 Dated 7:27:51 10-31-91 24035 <--> 24134
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
You wanna send me one with a bill. Geno Munari also wants one, as
does one other, who's name evades me at the moment.
But if you only got ONE, I asked FIRST.... heheheheheh
Msg #24070 Dated 7:27:55 10-31-91 24037 <--> 24115
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
Service? You call storage a service? I have, twice this year, NOT
RECEIVED major checks mailed from Akron, OH, to Calif... waited
4 weeks, called client to stop payment and re-issue, saying, "Send
either UPS or Federal Express"... argh...
I am not blaming any PERSON, it is just the system. Which again
suffers from my MAIN complaint about the PLANET. Too many people
concentrated in popular places.
Someday there will have to be Federal Law controlling where you
can live. Or we will all die.
Oh, forgot the real reason for this message.
Surprisingly, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE (Maven and others might
contradict this AS CONDITIONS MIGHT HAVE CHANGED) but it seems like
Saturday Nights at the Castle are LESS CROWDED because Guest Card
Visitors WITHOUT A MEMBER are not allowed on Saturday nights.
So there.
Enjoy.
OK?
Msg #24071 Dated 7:28:13 10-31-91 24038 <--> 24138
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
I know, all the Japanese Truck Drivers eat there.
Can't disagree. Yamashiro is one of those places that uses the
rule... LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.
Msg #24072 Dated 7:28:17 10-31-91 24043 <--> 24073
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Wateb was a famous, but unknown, Indian street magician. Unless you
are talking about Ted Wateb, him I don't know.
Msg #24073 Dated 7:28:21 10-31-91 24044 <--> 24074
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Knock of the crap Burton... who's offensive and speaks their mind
here... NOBODY... BOOOOOOOOO... ARGH... YAR & ;-) etc.
Msg #24074 Dated 7:28:25 10-31-91 24045 <--> 24075
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Was it Henny, saying, "Take my wife.... pleeze...."
Msg #24075 Dated 7:28:28 10-31-91 24046 <--> 24079
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
The ankles.
Msg #24076 Dated 7:28:31 10-31-91 24049 <--> 24102
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
I am going to attempt to make up stuff... but got work work to get
out of the way foist.
The Plumber's Nightmare (using PVC, Sink Plungers and Faucet Taps
is first on the list) -- will have some at the Music City doings.
The card effect requires machine work and I don't have the
source nailed down. Also need some ... well, don't want to tip...
Msg #24077 Dated 7:28:38 10-31-91 24050 <--> 24117
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
Many tnks... will sendem a letter... hmmmmm
Msg #24078 Dated 7:28:41 10-31-91 24051 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HECKLER
Yep... it puts the spotlight on the sucker and he can't do nothing
bout it... hah... (will put that in the book!)
Msg #24079 Dated 7:28:45 10-31-91 24055 <--> 24093
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I find tests are a measure of memory... which I er, I think I don't
have. What was the question?
Msg #24080 Dated 7:28:48 10-31-91 24056 <--> 24104
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
It was Albright allright. But I don't think it was with a bunch
of dupe cards. I have the Bird from Abbotts and it has a lump of
WAX on the end of the tail to steal off for something. Will have
to look for the instructions.
Msg #24081 Dated 8:29:13 10-31-91 -> 24108
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Baltimore was one of those times we got to negotiate when the hotel
was still a hole in the ground. Otherwise the room rates and other
items would have been very different. We got the same situation in
the Omni hotel in San Diego in 1989. You reduce the risk of the
hotel not happening if they have started construction. There are
many they are pitched to us as definite on paper that never make it
into reality. It is a dangerous balance of having to be three or
four years in front and finding the most advantageous situations.
Msg #24082 Dated 8:29:35 10-31-91 -> 24089
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
I figger I can never be more that one or two steps ahead of either of
you at any time....particularity now that you got your transmission
fixed.
Msg #24083 Dated 8:29:45 10-31-91 -> 24086
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I beg to differ with you that all the known tricks of dice stacking
will fit in a 5-6 minute range. I have seen some that obviously knew
more tricks than you must cause it went on MUCH longer than that. Of
course, doing boring presentation with the tricks can make it all
seem a helluva lot longer as well.
Msg #24085 Dated 8:30:12 10-31-91 -> 24151
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TOPIT
It is a flyer...I just got it in the mail over the weekend. Looks
good. We need to decide just where we want to put the MAGIC! session
and put it in.
Msg #24086 Dated 8:30:22 10-31-91 -> 24090
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
I have heard the stories of the DMS Gingos take Mexico Magicians by
storm a number of times before. The exploits of Peso Biro are
already legendary.
Msg #24088 Dated 8:30:56 10-31-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: INN EVENT
Thanks for the excellent review of the Inn Event. I went to it back
in 1983 when Howard Lyons was still alive. It was great, but I ate
so much food that it took me a year to get my weight back down. It
is truly the Gourmet Magic Convention both in talent and food.
Msg #24089 Dated 8:31:08 10-31-91 -> 24149
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
You must be sick and tired of the Maryland-Tennessee drive already.
I have done that trek down I 81 as forth as Gatlinbury once and it is
one long road althought the scenery is nice the first time. I do
hope that you checked for an image in the mirror on that guy from the
cemetary that helped you. Take care of yourself and take time to set
it all up the way you want this time.
Msg #24090 Dated 8:31:25 10-31-91 -> 24270
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
You got the knack now....half of it is doing it the first time so
you believe you can. They will probably stack better in Tennessee
anyhow.
Msg #24093 Dated 8:48:16 10-31-91 24033 <--> 24094
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Sounds like your I.Q. scores and your feet correlate. There is a
"downside" risk to the foot test - large feet are also common on people
with very low I.Q.'s! So if you have really big feet you generally are
either very high I.Q. or very low I.Q. Odds favor the high side.
Msg #24094 Dated 8:50:34 10-31-91 24043 <--> 24095
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Kevin seems to have survived my message. As to "T A Wateb," it must
have been glitched in transmission since it reads "T A Waters" on this
end.
Msg #24095 Dated 8:55:29 10-31-91 24046 <--> 24096
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
You have to be careful about the "highly correlated" part, Jerry.
Point six two is not high. But, in general, people with high I.Q.'s
are more massive - they are taller, healthier, longer lived, etc. A
far cry from the common stereotype. I believe that the best studies on
this were the Terman long term studies in which they followed a group
of high I.Q. people throughout their lives.
Msg #24096 Dated 9:00:04 10-31-91 24055 <--> 24097
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I believe that the USAFI test is pencil and paper and is, therefore, as
I noted previously, not highly reliable. Was the math score your
lowest score?
Msg #24097 Dated 9:02:05 10-31-91 24062 <--> 24111
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Yes, you did forget the hoops in the Copperfield Can Fly description.
Also the "ball" of hoops that they enclose him in and turn completely
around him! It is more than "Mo' Bafflin'," it is superb!
Msg #24098 Dated 9:08:55 10-31-91 24039 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: CANCELLATION
Thanks for the info, Manny. What the World could really use is a good
environmentalist challenge to Cristo.
Msg #24100 Dated 9:11:08 10-31-91 24042 <--> 24612
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Most interesting! Do let me know how it works with the tube as the
next to the last read. Will have to see you doing it sometime.
Msg #24101 Dated 9:14:11 10-31-91 24047 <--> 24184
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WIND-UP CARD FINDER
I guess that in theory, since there are no straight lines in our
Universe, it is a very, very large circle. BUT on a pragmatic level,
if you think that genius merges into idiocy, then you have never met a
real idiot. The clinical definition of idiot has very little to do
with the use of the term in common parlance.
Msg #24102 Dated 9:17:53 10-31-91 24064 <--> 24155
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
I knew that the explaination was in the tie tac. I just am not
familiar with that particular effect. I'll wait to read it in one of
your books.
Msg #24104 Dated 9:25:43 10-31-91 24080 <--> 24145
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
There is also, of course, the Waggawudda bird by Ken de Courcy; but it
is a completely different species, possibly even a completely different
Genus.
Msg #24108 Dated 9:37:53 10-31-91 24081 <--> 24788
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Well, you guys sure did a great job of picking a hole in the ground in
Baltimore! Being in a real hotel added a great deal to the ambiance of
the convention.
Msg #24111 Dated 9:54:05 10-31-91 24062 <--> 24112
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
A double and a single....this really blew my mind. Tremendous.
This is really the best illusion I have ever seen.
Msg #24112 Dated 11:10:14 10-31-91 24044 <--> 24113
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Jerry,
Since I've been on this board, I have been corresponding with
some of the funniest, most intelligent, most likable people I've
come accross in a LOONG time. Since the typed word can't carry
the little nuances that a voice can, it is easy to mistake a
silly remark for an offensive one. I always assume that people
are not being intentionally offensive to me, and I never try to
be offensive back, but you know.... I will continue to worry
about offending people, as I do not want to lose this wonderful
correspondence. But I do appreciate the kind words.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24113 Dated 11:10:21 10-31-91 24046 <--> 24118
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Jerry,
I believe that it would be the volume of a person's foot, as our
masses are all pretty close to the same. (hmmm...)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24114 Dated 11:10:26 10-31-91 24048 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC! CHALLANGE
Jerry,
It is:
Kevin E. Curtin
3058 Flanders
Riverside, CA 92507
Msg #24115 Dated 11:10:30 10-31-91 24052 <--> 24119
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
Jerry,
We have a radio station in the area that is called KFRG
(pronounced K-FROG) that has such DJs as Tadpole, and the
Frogman. They give weather Frogcasts. I've been tempted to send
tapes, but haven't yet.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24116 Dated 11:10:36 10-31-91 24066 <--> 24161
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRICK OR TREAT
Pete,
I always practice juggling clubs in a low-ceiling'd room. It
feels like I get more control when I keep it low. Now that I
think of it though, my room's are 8 foot ceilings, and I'm 6'2''.
I wonder how close it correlates? Mr. Stack seemed like a
likable fellow, unfortunatly, I never had any contact with him
except the tape. Glad you enjoyed it! (I hadn't watched it in a
long time, and when I made the copy, it gave me an excuse to
watch again. I enjoy that special. [Ever see the Flying
Karamazovs? They are from up in your neck of the woods.])
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24117 Dated 11:10:43 10-31-91 24067 <--> 24162
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
Pete,
I'll send you a catalog of what Jerryco has. It is weird stuff
that is now surplus, but they have a pretty good selection.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24118 Dated 11:10:48 10-31-91 24068 <--> 24120
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
You mean... I'm an idiot? Uh oh....
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24119 Dated 11:10:52 10-31-91 24070 <--> 24126
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
Pete,
I am in a strange situation. I have almost never had a problem
with the post office. Your delay is only the second in my life.
(The first was when I was flying a small plane from upstate New
York, and decided it would be better to mail the penguin-shaped
tamborine back home rather than try to store it. I never saw it
again.) More than me, it will be up to Stan when we go. I'm
sure that he'll see your message though. I really appreciate the
advice. I have never been, so anything learned will put me that
much farther ahead.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24120 Dated 11:10:59 10-31-91 24093 <--> 24121
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
David,
So, do I roll a die to find out which I am? Maybe the right side
of my brain is a genius and the left an idiot. Then reading from
left to right, I'm an idiot-savant.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24121 Dated 11:11:04 10-31-91 24095 <--> 24124
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
David,
In all seriousness, I would like to get a copy of this study. I
always have had to fight looking kind of like a gorilla. I would
also be interested in knowing how these high I.Q. people did in
life in general.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24123 Dated 12:00:59 10-31-91 -> 24127
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VEGAS
You haven't mentioned it, so I assume that you couldn't/wouldn't/
forgot to get the catalog from Gambler's General store.
Msg #24124 Dated 13:47:10 10-31-91 24120 <--> 24125
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
A die has six sides and just in case you were an idiot, it might be too
difficult to figure out. A coin is better. But true idiots have
I.Q.'s from 0 to 30 (imbeciles are generally from 30 to 50 and morons
are 50 to 70 - it should be pointed out that these are rather archaic
terms). An individual with an I.Q. below 30 is not likely to be able
to tell the head from the tail of the coin. Idiot-savants are always
an interesting topic, but true idiot-savants are very rare.
We now return to MAGIC!. . .
Msg #24125 Dated 13:55:27 10-31-91 24121 <--> 24140
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I think you could check with the Terman group at the University of
North Carolina for the study. In general the high I.Q. people did
quite well in their lives.
Msg #24126 Dated 13:56:30 10-31-91 24115 <--> 24135
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
I've heard K-FROG! PLEASE give me the frequency - I lost it. Many
thanks.
Msg #24127 Dated 13:57:59 10-31-91 24123 <--> 24128
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS
AH! You are one of the folks who wanted the Gambler's General Store
catalog! OK, I'll get one out to you. And I think one other person
wanted one - if they will make themselves known, I'll do the same.
I also have TWO extra copies if anyone else wants one.
Msg #24128 Dated 15:18:21 10-31-91 24127 <--> 24129
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
Forget it. I just received one in the mail.
Msg #24129 Dated 15:30:42 10-31-91 24127 <--> 24141
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
More. Is the catalog you brought back, vol.4, issue 4?
Msg #24131 Dated 15:56:40 10-31-91 -> 24142
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
I just looked at the LANCE Vegas picture. Tell you one thing.
Don't think I'd buy a used car from any of those guys.
Msg #24134 Dated 17:08:53 10-31-91 24069 <--> 24143
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
Me!, Me!, Me! I want one of the "Pretty Sneaky" books 'cause you
recommended it. I'm third in line behind you and Geno for a copy.
Msg #24135 Dated 17:11:55 10-31-91 24037 <--> 24136
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
I will see if someone at work is willing to trade a day off with me so
that we could go on a Thursday before December rolls around. I'll let
you know if I have any luck.
I have suffered in silence many of the slings and arrows directed
towards the Postal service on this bulletin board. I have pretty much
given in to the universal joke of the oxymoron "Postal Service" and I
have gamely given a few jabs of my own. Everyone has at least one
horror story of how the neighbor mailed something to you and it didn
not arrive until three weeks later via the slow bannana boat around
Cape Horn. Their are other topics and interests of mine that have been
sideswiped also but it's better for me to just let it be. I know how
you feel about not wanting to offend anyone on Magic! but then again,
it would be hard to have any opinion at all and not offend SOMEONE.
So anyway, I'm known as Stan the Magical Mailman and I do the slowest
tricks in town!
Msg #24136 Dated 17:25:11 10-31-91 24070 <--> 24137
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
"The check is in the mail" is not one of the worlds three biggest lies
for nuthin' you know?
Saturday night is less crowded than Friday night but still more crowded
than most week nights. Tuesday through Thursday seem to be best.
Msg #24137 Dated 17:27:54 10-31-91 24119 <--> 24194
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
Tell you what Kevin. You pick any Thursday evening between now and
next year to go to the Castle. One night won't kill me so find out
from your better half when it is most convenient and we'll do it!
If you should ever mail anything again and lose it don't forget to
check with the dead letter office. Sometimes a shipping label can fall
off or get ripped off being jostled with other packages. If there is
no identifying information attached to it they will hold it for 90 days
before disposing of it. Don't forget return addresses on the package
or letter itself and inside also if practical. You wouldn't believe
the number of things I deliver addressed only to "Mom" or "Gramps" at
a 100 unit apartment complex! Most people just open their mail without
realizing it was incorrectly or insufficiently addressed.
Msg #24138 Dated 17:38:34 10-31-91 24038 <--> 24166
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
Thanks Wayne. Where else would you recommend in the area? We've had
many good suggestions but if you have anymore I'd like to know.
(I'm REALLY getting tired of the Taco Bell specials!)
Msg #24140 Dated 18:46:36 10-31-91 24112 <--> 24146
From: GENO MUNARI
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Those are very kind remarks, and I think you are real sincere.
Thanks for being so nice. It is nice to hear kind words about his
fellow magicians, but I think you should call a spade a spade, and
this forum is so valuable to be able to express yourself.
Hope to meet you.
Msg #24141 Dated 18:46:46 10-31-91 24123 <--> 24172
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS
Marvin, how is the 5 card mental trick?....If Dave can't locate the
catalog, I'll get you one.
Msg #24142 Dated 18:46:52 10-31-91 24131 <--> 24164
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
I have a '64 chevy truck, I'll trade for a holdout.
Msg #24143 Dated 18:46:57 10-31-91 24134 <--> 24147
From: GENO MUNARI
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
Don't blame you.
Msg #24145 Dated 19:38:34 10-31-91 23976 <--> 24148
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
Hen Fetch hadf a version with a jumping frog !!
Msg #24146 Dated 20:33:20 10-31-91 24140 <--> 24154
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Geno: 3/4-inch and 5/8-inch blank drugstore dice for starters. I have
the gaffs to drill and make stuff but need to practice. A dozen blanks
each size in white would be good starter.
Msg #24147 Dated 20:34:23 10-31-91 24143 <--> 24165
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
See mesage comming soon re Byron Walker and Pretty Sneaky boox.
Msg #24148 Dated 20:34:49 10-31-91 24145 <--> 24156
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
Don't tel Lichtman... hah, I have one... I used to be a mechanical
animal finds cards freak.
Msg #24149 Dated 20:35:16 10-31-91 24082 <--> 24269
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
I am in a transionary transmission mode. My man from Goodyear just
left... did some nifty stuff for him on Ventura. Great article in
USA Today on Goodyear.
Stock went from 12 to 49 since new Chairman of board hit town.
He is ex boss of Rubbermaid. A killer guy. Big ad budget for next
year and truck tires are the most profitable division now.
Headline in USA Today was "Goodyear Stock is Burning Rubber".
Great line. All the ad agency guys here for lunch meating Sunday.
I bought a ton of treats and NO ONE HAS HIT THE DOOR! RATS.
Msg #24151 Dated 20:35:33 10-31-91 24085 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TOPIT
Is your call.... go for it. Re: Magic session at DMS.
Msg #24154 Dated 20:35:48 10-31-91 24097 <--> 24159
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
It is "Wateb" to the Max!
Msg #24155 Dated 20:35:51 10-31-91 24102 <--> 24181
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PACKET TRICKS
M A G N E T S DUDE... YAR... ;-)
Msg #24156 Dated 20:35:54 10-31-91 24104 <--> 24179
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
The Instructions for the Gileegaloo Bird use a stack from A to K,
on the bottom and a reverse count of the circle of cards from whence
the birdie stops on it if you know what I means.
Is not like Don Alan's Ranch Bird - which uses all same card in
the circle, or pile as you see fit.
Then there was the baffling version Koornwinder does where a
match laying across a coke bottle top (emptied) bursts into flame
when it is over the chosen card. Never figured that one out.
Then there's "Frisco Pete, the San Francisco Treat" originated
by me and marketed by Magic Inc., in Chicago... a take off on the
Ranch Bird but the bird doesn't find the card... the signed card
winds up being found in the bag from whence the bird came from.
You cop the card and load into the bag when you go into bag for
the windup key.... subtle timing me bucko!
Msg #24159 Dated 20:36:15 10-31-91 24112 <--> 24160
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
No offence, but.... har ;-) etc. ad libidum ad nauseum. Etc.
Msg #24160 Dated 20:36:17 10-31-91 24113 <--> 24163
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
How far up the leg do you measure volume? Or are you pulling ours?
Msg #24161 Dated 20:36:20 10-31-91 24116 <--> 24205
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TRICK OR TREAT
Only seen the flyin' Bros on TV... I used to do a juggling act in
shows, but paralysis to right side hampered me... fairly well over
it but now gettin' too old for some of the physical stuff! Still
like to do 3 ball comedy stuff and Spools (similar to Cigar Boxes).
Have Diablo too.
Msg #24162 Dated 20:36:26 10-31-91 24117 <--> 24206
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
You are tooooo kind... many graciases.... don't for get to call
Keith Droste, Frankie Avalon's conductor, just moved to Moreno
Valley a year or so ago... nice guy.
Msg #24163 Dated 20:36:31 10-31-91 24118 <--> 24167
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I takes one to snow one.
Msg #24164 Dated 20:36:33 10-31-91 24131 <--> 24175
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
We only hve new cars fo' sale bro'
Msg #24165 Dated 20:36:36 10-31-91 24134 <--> 24168
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
I will call Byron Walker right now and see if he has any Pretty
Sneaky books laying about... no problemooo.... actually it is
still available from Magic Inc., in Chicago I think....
312-EDI-BULL
Msg #24166 Dated 20:36:41 10-31-91 24138 <--> 24169
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
Hamburger Hamlet on Hollywierd Blvd., is perfect. I go ther alla
time. Unless you want an old style LA hangout, go to Musso and
Franks (might cost more though).
Ever think of just going to the Castle and only eating the
Salad Bar? Plenty good.... less $ than a steak....
Msg #24167 Dated 20:36:48 10-31-91 24111 <--> 24177
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Double and single what? Hoop? Huh?
Msg #24168 Dated 20:36:50 10-31-91 24134 <--> 24170
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
Stan (and GENO) I just called Byron Walker (510) 352-1854 and he
thinks he has a couple of copies of Don Alan's Pretty Sneaky. I
told him you might call. Give him a couple of days he has a killer
cold! If he don't hear from you he will MAYBE bring them to a
Meeting in L.A. a week from Saturday (the Historic Conference).
And if you ain't there he will give to me to forward... OK guys?
I still think it is IN PRINT at Magic Inc., however. Might call
'em tomorrow and ask.
Msg #24169 Dated 20:43:23 10-31-91 24166 <--> 24171
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
I do like their salad bar, especially the salmon. If I remember it's
still around $15 for the salad bar alone. I've had it enough that I
would like to try something else in town. I can always go for a good
juicy burger. Piled high with mushrooms and sauce all running down
your hands and arms...Mmmm good! Use some of that bar-b-que sauce for
a real inconspicuous daub.
Msg #24170 Dated 20:50:02 10-31-91 24168 <--> 24218
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
Whatever is easiest. If he is bringing them out I'll take one but I
won't be able to attend the conference to pick it up. I won't call
Magic Inc. until I hear if Byron will be making the delivery or not.
Thanks for your help!
Msg #24171 Dated 20:53:17 10-31-91 24166 <--> 24185
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
Musso and Franks has been in Hollywood for half an eternity but with
300 items or so on their menu I have never found them to prepare any of
it exceptionally well. It's alright I guess, it does have the old
towne ambiance but I like to eat GOOD food when I go out to a good
restaurant. There are a thousand or more restaurants down here but
thanks to Magic! members I won't have to try them all to find someplace
I would go back to again.
Msg #24172 Dated 22:09:00 10-31-91 24128 <--> 24173
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS
Forget it??? I hauled this catalog across the burning sands of the
Mohave for you and you say "forget it???" Some nerve, Mr. Stern!
Msg #24173 Dated 22:10:27 10-31-91 24129 <--> 24200
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS
Yes, the Gambler's General Store catalog is Vol. 4, issue 4. But don't
go asking for it - I've already given your copy to someone else.
Msg #24175 Dated 22:13:26 10-31-91 24131 <--> 24186
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
Ah, but would you buy a used prop from any of those guys? I'll bet
there are a couple of 'em that could get you to pick a card.
Msg #24177 Dated 22:20:08 10-31-91 24154 <--> 24188
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Definitely! The Copperfield Can Fly bit is Wateb to the Max!
Msg #24179 Dated 22:22:56 10-31-91 24148 <--> 24180
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
While I was in Vegas I bought two sets of miniature mechanical TEETH
that walk on little legs and chomp! Should be great for a "mechanical
animal finds the cards" or, better yet, my favorite "mechanical animal
DOESN'T find the cards!"
Msg #24180 Dated 22:28:35 10-31-91 24156 <--> 24207
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
There is a variant on the 1/2 force deck version which is called "Krazy
Klock" and which I have no credits for, except that it is loosely based
on Future Shock. In it you do some stuff with predictions and you
predict that the card the person selects (from the clock circle) will
NOT be a certain card. The audience isn't particularly impressed,
until it turns out that ALL the other cards in the circle ARE dupes of
the one you predicted would NOT be picked!
In the Waggawudda paper bird the card vanishes while the bird is
messing around. The magi says, "Help! I believe he's swallowed it!"
(in the original patter there is no particular emphasis on "swallowed,"
although clearly that could be played in a bird trick). The bird lays
an egg and the card is in the egg. Waggawudda bird is a large version
of a standard Origami flying bird.
Msg #24184 Dated 22:50:46 10-31-91 24058 <--> 24211
From: JERRY BURTON
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: WIND-UP CARD FINDER
If you mean using the enter function to 'initiate' a new message, it
already exists ! Just hit E and you can start a new thread. If pressi
ng E only moves you to the next msg, you have an old version.
.
No RDMAGIC does not delete magic.log & magic.rep, you have to do that
manually, or better stil rename them. I use MAGCmmdd.LGd and
MAGCmmdd.RPd, where mmdd is the month & day and d is 1,2,3, ...
depending on how many times you log in each day.
Msg #24185 Dated 22:50:52 10-31-91 24138 <--> 24217
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
Lots of times when I'm at the castle for a lecture and plan to hang
around for the evening I walk down Orange almost to Hollywood Blvd
on the west side there is a little Chinese joint that has pretty
good inexpensive food. I'm partial to the Chinese Chicken Salad for
$ 4.25 - it's quite good. The view of the sunset is lousy tho !
Msg #24186 Dated 22:50:56 10-31-91 24142 <--> 24251
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
Marvin - I've got this great deal for you on a De Soto, real low mile
age a real steal (or is that stolen ??)
Msg #24188 Dated 22:51:01 10-31-91 24113 <--> 24193
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
If I remember correctly the amount of water that is displaced is
related to the mass of the object put in. Archimedes used the
principle to determine if the kings crown was gold or lead. Something
like that anyhow. Therefore, mass is in there somewhere. Intuitively
I would think with a foot the larger would displace more water becaus
e of its larger volume as well as mass.
.
If our masses were all close to the same, we would all weigh the
same, which we clearly do not.
.
But hey, who really cares ???
.
Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #24189 Dated 22:40:41 10-31-91 -> 24255
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ABBOTTS
The following item, entitled "Incident #4," appeared in the October,
1991, New Tops (published by Abbotts):
"During the early (July) days of pre-planning, Abbotts was asked if we
would do a favor. A computer communications system (a bulletin board)
needed some publicity, some distribution of their services. We readily
agreed to include their brochure with every registration packet.
Anything that helps magic, helps Abbotts. The downside of this story
is this: The person for whom we did the favor reviewed the convention
for the bulletin board group. This write-up was filled with
inaccuracies and errors. There is no excuse for not correctly spelling
a performer's name - everybody received a printed program! The
inaccuracies were worse. He mistakenly reported that registrations
seemed to be down about twenty-five percent. How he arrived at this
figure, we'll never know. He couldn't have asked anybody on the Abbott
staff, as those figures are not available until late Saturday
afternoon, not on Wednesday when it was reported. In actual fact, the
total attendance was 990 - a little higher than the previous year and
well within the range of the last five conventions. In fact, more
people registered earlier for the entire four days than ever before in
the past ten years! It was the biggest Wednesday turnout Abbots has
ever experienced!
"This reviewer took great pains to denegrate the act of Marvyn & Carol
Roy - Mr. Electric. He complained that many of the bulbs didn't light.
(In fact, only the right hand set of four as produced from the bag
failed to light - the videotape doesn't lie!) All this plus the fact
that Carol Roy performed on a knee with three badly strained ligaments!
Plus - the awards committee later awarded Mr. Electric (Marvyn & Carol)
the Neil Foster/Bill Baird manipulation award! What show did this
reviewer see? What person, setting himself up as a magic convention
reviewer, does not know that the name of Jim Steinmeyer's original
illusion is: Origami (as presented by David Seebach)? This reviewer
did not. This particular reviewer seemed most put out that the act he
favored the most in the morning contests - failed even to place! This
bulletin board system, by the way, used to be offered for free and its
organizers are now requiring a fee of $30.00."
Msg #24190 Dated 22:56:48 10-31-91 -> 24192
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: PSYCHIC HALLOWEEN
Just got back from a spiritual demo over at Psynetics here in
Anaheim. The lady that did it is 80 years old - jeez I hope I'm in
that good of shape when I'm 80, she was a dynamo. They gave out
billets with numbers on them and by holding them within your
'aetheric' boundries she gave spirit readings to everyone. Pretty
standard cold reading type stuff.
.
The transfiguration part was kind interesting. She had 2 black
backdrops at ninety degrees to one another and she put a black cloth
around her neck, so only her head was showing. She explained that
she would go into trance and let the ectoplasm of spirits enter her
body so that she would take on different forms. They then turned off
the lights and her head was illuminated by a single red light from
below about 6 ft in front of her (reminded me of when we put flashlight
s under our chins in the dark, when we were kids to get a real scary
look). If you unfocused your gaze (as she had 'suggested') and tried
to 'see' the change you could see all kinds of images (like looking
at ink blots or clouds). People in the audience were to call out
what they were seeing - several saw an old indian, one woman saw a
chinese man, etc.
.
We left after 15 minutes of staring at a head in the dark - the rest of
them may still be there, for all I know. Very interesting evening.
Msg #24192 Dated 22:59:38 10-31-91 24190 <--> 24227
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PSYCHIC HALLOWEEN
Thanks for your report, Jerry! We took the more common American
approach and handed out candy to kids in costumes.
Remember a cartoon called "Things We'd Like To See"? Well, I came up
with one tonite: I'd like to see a bunch of nine or ten year olds
banging on Max Maven's door and yelling, "Trick or Treat!"
Msg #24193 Dated 23:39:57 10-31-91 24124 <--> 24195
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
David,
You said that I had a better chance of Intelligence, rather than
idiocy, so I figured if I rolled a 1 or 2, I'm an idiot, if I
rolled a 3, 4, 5 or 6, then bingo!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24194 Dated 23:40:02 10-31-91 24126 <--> 24196
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
David,
95.1 FM KFRG.
Msg #24195 Dated 23:40:48 10-31-91 24193 <--> 24199
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Er, I don't know if rolling a 3, 4, 5 or 6 actually makes bingo. I
thought bingo was an entirely different game.
Msg #24196 Dated 23:41:32 10-31-91 24194 <--> 24201
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
WOW! Thanks for KFRG's number! I don't think I can pick them up at my
home, but I can when I head out in your direction. Thanks!
Msg #24199 Dated 0:11:49 11-01-91 24188 <--> 24202
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Jerry,
Here, perhaps, is a subject that I should leave alone.
Unfortunatly, I never have had much sense in this area. Mass is
a unit very much like weight. In fact, Kilogram (or gram) is a
measure of mass not of weight. On Earth, it makes little sense
to differentiate the two. An iron bar that weighs 50 tons will
sink in water because it only displaces it's own volume of water
which isn't anywhere near 50 tons. However, if you take that
same iron bar, and shape it so that the volume of water it
displaces is more than 50 tons, then it will float. This is what
allows steel and concrete ships to float. Now, since we all are
made up basically of water, our mass per volume (density) units
are all pretty close to the same. The only thing that you prove
when you displace water, is how much volume there is. Since
Archemedes didn't have the Calculus to determine the area under a
curve, he did the next best (and simplest) thing. Which was to
weigh an object, (mass) then find out how much water it
displaced, (volume) thus finding out the density.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24200 Dated 0:12:00 11-01-91 24127 <--> 24219
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
David,
I'm the other person who wanted a catalog, but Pete sent me one
already. Thanks for Thinking of us.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24201 Dated 0:12:04 11-01-91 24137 <--> 24290
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
Stan,
I did check with the post office, and they couldn't figure out
where the darned thing went.
We are not in so much of a hurry that we would wish you to be
dazed and fatigued all day. We might have her switch off with
someone, and go one of the other days you sent. Will let you
know as soon as I do.
Thanks.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24202 Dated 0:12:10 11-01-91 24140 <--> 24203
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Geno,
Before I am done, I hope to meet everyone I've been corresponding
with. You all have been such a warm welcoming bunch, that it
truly makes me feel welcome. It is true that I have very strong
opinions about most anything that I know anything about. I try,
however, to temper my words so that discussions will be opened,
not doors closed.
Are you in the L.A. area?
Also, you asked about an effect, and I can't for the life of me
remember which one you were referring to. If you would refresh
my memory, I would be happy to discuss it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24203 Dated 0:12:17 11-01-91 24159 <--> 24204
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Pete,
Sorry my sweetness and light makes you waks poets. (alright,
that pun didn't come out quite right.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24204 Dated 0:12:22 11-01-91 24160 <--> 24208
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Pete,
David is the one with the innovative I.Q. measuring techniques.
All I did was suggest that mass had little to do with
displacement. Mass is something that Catholics have. I always
thought it would be fun to start a church where we all went to
energy.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24205 Dated 0:12:28 11-01-91 24161 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRICK OR TREAT
Pete,
They are really nice guys from what I've seen. The first time I
saw them perform, I laughed so hard that I had a headache for two
days. This shows to go you what kind of humor I'm into.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24206 Dated 0:12:33 11-01-91 24162 <--> 24230
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
Pete,
I know you mentioned Keith Droste before, but my memory must be
failing me. Is he a good contact for magic in the Inland Empire?
Thanks
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24207 Dated 1:29:41 11-01-91 24080 <--> 24220
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
A variation -- which may or may not have been Albright's -- was to have
the cards in the circle in a saequential stack with the selected card
at the end of it; the bird would stop on a seven, and you would count
seven cards to the selection.
Msg #24208 Dated 1:30:48 11-01-91 24096 <--> 24212
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Math was indeed lowest; on the others I scored in the 97th or 98th
percentile.
Msg #24211 Dated 1:37:11 11-01-91 24101 <--> 24240
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WIND-UP CARD FINDER
As I recall, the term IDIOT used to be used to signify an intelligence
that could not advance beyond the 2-year-old level...but that term is
no longer used in clinical practice for the most part -- at least in
the materials and among the people I have encountered.
Msg #24212 Dated 1:39:32 11-01-91 24079 <--> 24214
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Ideally, IQ tests should NOT be primarily a measure of memory --
although of course there is a correlation, more marked at the ends of
the scale.
Msg #24214 Dated 4:17:37 11-01-91 24068 <--> 24228
From: DOUG SMITH
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Our shoe store friend, who worked 50 years in the business, tells us
the non-dominate foot it larger. For instance if you are right handed,
the left foot is larger. Mywife also just added to our list of ideas
that are hard to work into a conversation, that the non-dominate side
of the body is either younger and/orlooking
and/orbigger and/or stronger.
Msg #24217 Dated 7:25:36 11-01-91 24169 <--> 24604
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
Burp!
Msg #24218 Dated 7:25:39 11-01-91 24170 <--> 24324
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
Stan, i will be runnin and jumpin for next 10-12 days... so remind
me around the Tuesday following the Collector's Conf... I should
be home by then.
Msg #24219 Dated 7:25:43 11-01-91 24172 <--> 24235
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
Hey, knock it off dude, I happen to know you stopped for food and
rest in Barstow!
Msg #24220 Dated 7:25:47 11-01-91 24179 <--> 24221
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
It finds the nosh?
Msg #24221 Dated 7:25:50 11-01-91 24180 <--> 24231
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
Sounds Wagawonderful to mine ears. I have a tin toy chicken somewheer
that lays eggs. (They are tin too)... Sort of a Tin Type trick from
a photographer. ;-)
Msg #24227 Dated 7:26:55 11-01-91 24192 <--> 24248
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PSYCHIC HALLOWEEN
I was all set with a trick in hand after the first kid showed up.
Was going to say "You wanna see a trick or get a treat?" Then slam
down the guillotine blade on my arm!
.
BUT NOBODY SHOWED UP.
.
Anybody want 600 pieces of candy?
Msg #24228 Dated 7:27:04 11-01-91 24199 <--> 24229
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I wondered how the boats a friend of mine used to sell, MADE OF
CONCRETE HULLS, would float. Thanks.
Msg #24229 Dated 7:27:07 11-01-91 24202 <--> 24232
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
In case Geno is away and not responding often... he lives in Las
Vegas, has a PR firm, used to be a casino manager and has three
videos on cheating methods. And lost (and keeping it off) at least
60 lbs. in the last year!
Msg #24230 Dated 7:27:13 11-01-91 24206 <--> 24292
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
Not magic, Keith is a killer songwriter, piano player and all around
nice guy. Is musical director/writer for Frankie Avalon. Collects
things, some Magic paper, lots of advertising tins, signs, etc.
And I think John Wilkes Boothe stuff...
Msg #24231 Dated 7:27:19 11-01-91 24207 <--> 24237
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
That's right... I tried in my stupid way to explain that late last
night... Albright had about seven or eight effects with the pecking
bird, including a borrowed deck version (I think he had a way to
build the stack into a borrowed deck).
.
The Fetch Hoppy Frog I have too... Used to be a nut for tricks with
tin windup toys.
.
Does R.J. still do his stuff with all the animals?
Msg #24232 Dated 7:27:29 11-01-91 24214 <--> 24234
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Be nice if we could change that to FRONT/REAR half of the body????
Msg #24233 Dated 7:27:31 11-01-91 -> 24249
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: EL TAB
Ee;24214
Talked to Byron last night. He forgot to show you, but he had a
great pic of Prof. El-Tab on the wall.
.
He also thought we were coming back to see him on Wed. Did not think
we were as you recall what's his name came to the house until 3 am.
.
Hope you have kept the rubber to the ground and your wheels down!
.
Take a rest.
.
Got some scratch, can breath awhile... whew...
Msg #24234 Dated 8:10:40 11-01-91 24208 <--> 24277
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
That would fit. Since the score was based on a percentile ranking, it
was, in effect, pitting you against others who had taken the test
rather than the test itself. As the military draws from a skewed
group, it is possible that very few correct answers in the mathematics
section could still have placed you in the 87th percentile.
Msg #24235 Dated 8:14:48 11-01-91 24200 <--> 24236
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: VEGAS
OK, glad you already have a Gambler's General Store catalog. I do have
a limited supply available if anyone else wants one.
Msg #24236 Dated 8:15:51 11-01-91 24219 <--> 24253
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS
Uh, yeah, we stopped for food and rest in Barstow. But not at the In
N' Out this time. My in-laws preferred a different resturant.
Msg #24237 Dated 8:18:15 11-01-91 24220 <--> 24238
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
With my kinda luck, the little walking teeth don't find the nosh, they
find the most expensive dentist in town. Do you still have your old
transmission? Mine (not in the Jeep) just went. My mechanic says that
between it and a few other needed repairs I'm looking at a couple of
grand! AAARRRGGGHHH (tm - Biro).
Msg #24238 Dated 8:20:55 11-01-91 24221 <--> 24280
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
Seems to me that I remember tin chickens that laid eggs, but it is a
very dim recollection. I do remember tin types - a particularly nasty
form of photography - used mercury vapor, I believe - that shortened
the lives of early photographers.
Msg #24240 Dated 8:29:56 11-01-91 24211 <--> 24327
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WIND-UP CARD FINDER
Yes, Idiot is very close to a capacity to advance to a 0 to 2 year old
level. Many idiots never do move out of the diaper stage, a number
never learn to walk or feed themselves. You are quite correct - the
term is obsolete in professional circles. The general substitute is
Severely Retarded.
Msg #24248 Dated 8:46:33 11-01-91 24227 <--> 24293
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PSYCHIC HALLOWEEN
We had a smaller crowd than usual come to the door - probably no more
than 100 to 150 kids this year. I think that after a while Nathan got
the idea that since the remaining candy would remain in the house it
would be good to limit the outflow. Everytime the bell would ring,
he'd run to the door and before he opened it, he'd yell, "How Many?"
Msg #24249 Dated 8:49:06 11-01-91 24233 <--> 24271
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EL TAB
Tab phoned in from Maryland last night. He was getting ready to get a
little sleep and then head out on the last leg for this series. Said
that he still has more to tote, but that there would be about two weeks
before the next trip. We gotta get to Tennessee soon (ideal would be
sooner than he expects us) and help personalize the Nuevo DeCarlo -
maybe carve our names on the walls or somethin'.
Msg #24251 Dated 10:42:19 11-01-91 24142 <--> 24252
From: MARVIN STERN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
Would love to see some of your gambling stuff, when up there for CES.
Msg #24252 Dated 10:43:06 11-01-91 24164 <--> 24254
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
Would think that if you had only new cars, that you would be driving
one and not have had that transmission problem.
Perhaps you're spending too much for Hassleblads, etc.
Msg #24253 Dated 10:45:16 11-01-91 24173 <--> 24260
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
Sure you've given by copy away.
Yet, in a later message, you state that you have a number of add'l
copies for whoever/whomever wants one.
Msg #24254 Dated 10:47:21 11-01-91 24175 <--> 24258
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
Buy a prop?? Looks like a couple of those guys were propped up.
Msg #24255 Dated 10:49:58 11-01-91 24189 <--> 24261
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Was that you?
Msg #24256 Dated 10:50:31 11-01-91 -> 24376
From: MARVIN STERN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FOOD
Has anyone suggested Hamptons, on Highland, south of Sunset. Well
known, good place.
Msg #24257 Dated 10:56:37 11-01-91 -> 24262
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Fri 11 AM. You indicated that you might make it to the Castle for
lunch today. What about it?
Msg #24258 Dated 13:48:11 11-01-91 24254 <--> 24259
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
Actually, three of us weren't there - we used those cut-outs, like they
do of stars and ex-presidents. Wish we'd taken the picture at the
moment during the show when Lance appeared next to my left shoulder.
Msg #24259 Dated 13:48:44 11-01-91 24186 <--> 24285
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
I'll pass on the De Soto. I still have my Beach Racer Bike.
Msg #24260 Dated 13:49:41 11-01-91 24253 <--> 24279
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS
Well, I'd had your copy autographed! I have a couple of plain copies
left.
Msg #24261 Dated 13:50:16 11-01-91 24255 <--> 24264
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Nope - the review was by one of our members.
Msg #24262 Dated 13:50:37 11-01-91 24257 <--> 24286
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCH
As you can tell, I didn't make it to the Castle for lunch today!
Some work on an important project came up instead (of lunch?). Looks
like I'll be busy doing Windows (3.0) all weekend.
Msg #24264 Dated 15:17:46 11-01-91 24189 <--> 24272
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Y'know, their comments about inaccuracies sound kind of strange
coming from someone that once had Melinda billed as "Melanie, the
first NUDE lady of Magic!" Good thing she doesn't read New Tops!
I can't fault them for their defense of their attendance count.
As for the light bulbs, from an audience viewpoint, a gap as big as
four bulbs in a row probably looks awfully bad coming from a Pro.
Our guy never said he was a "Convention Reviewer", just had some
comments from an attendee's point of view. I'm sure others had
opinions as well.
Maybe I'll write them a letter.
Anyone have their ADDRESS? ;-)
David (the other one)
Msg #24267 Dated 18:38:35 11-01-91 23891 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NUEVO DECARLO
Would rather the pic be of the faro dealer anyway as don't do the
rings. Can't wait to see it in print!!!!
Msg #24269 Dated 18:38:43 11-01-91 24089 <--> 24325
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
Massa Wells, am glad to hear from you. Hope you're doing well as
well. Am really tired of the drive and am gonna take few days off
from the trekking.
Msg #24270 Dated 18:38:47 11-01-91 24090 <--> 24794
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
So far my dice stacking is limited to kitchen counter work as that
is where I learned from Pete (on his kitchen counter).
Msg #24271 Dated 18:38:50 11-01-91 24233 <--> 24284
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EL TAB
Dante sent me an El Tab original and I am hot on the El Tab project.
I'm gonna write Byron in a few and get going on it as soon as I get
some rest. Thanks for the call to Charlotte Hall. Have a good un!!
Msg #24272 Dated 18:38:54 11-01-91 24189 <--> 24299
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Is this the start of a trend? Reviews of reviews!!! What happened
to the reviewer anyway? Haven't seen him around lately. Maybe the
guys at Abbotts had him snuffed?
Msg #24277 Dated 21:39:17 11-01-91 24214 <--> 24289
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
hey now doug,
does that mean the non dominate side of your marrage fits the
description you laid out??????
Msg #24278 Dated 22:51:42 11-01-91 -> 24297
From: PATRICK CULLITON
To: K
Re: TRY AGAIN -- CULLITON HER
I'm learning the ropes here and slowly at that. Hi everyone. Culliton
here asking the general population if anyone has ever seen a manuscript
published by the New York Magical Exchange ca 1914. That is any
manuscript.
Msg #24279 Dated 23:08:36 11-01-91 24236 <--> 24295
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
Mickey D's?
Msg #24280 Dated 23:08:39 11-01-91 24237 <--> 24310
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
No got... 'twas a mopar part and wood not fit a caddy.... tsk.
Msg #24284 Dated 23:08:53 11-01-91 24249 <--> 24302
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EL TAB
With bullet holes...
Msg #24285 Dated 23:08:55 11-01-91 24252 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS NIGHT
In divorce ex wife got the car... I have a loaner from Detroit
Chrysler Corp... they sent the tranny free, just hadda pay the labor.
I haven't spent money on Hasselblads for 20 years... just use 'em
once a year... Nikon is my money camera.
Msg #24286 Dated 23:09:01 11-01-91 24262 <--> 24314
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH
Use plenty of paper towels and the industrial strength windex.
Msg #24289 Dated 23:52:56 11-01-91 24195 <--> 24291
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I thought bingo was his name-o.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24290 Dated 23:53:01 11-01-91 24196 <--> 24315
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
David,
If you're heading out in my direction, give a call. We'll "do
lunch."
Enjoy!
Kevin
(714) 788-5057
Msg #24291 Dated 23:53:05 11-01-91 24229 <--> 24294
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Pete,
Thanks for the info. Maybe if I ever get up to Vegas again, I'll
look him up. Where could I get ahold of his videos. I've always
enjoyed that particular aspect of human interaction.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24292 Dated 23:53:10 11-01-91 24230 <--> 24337
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
I can always use another compadre. I'll give him a call, tell
him you said "hello," and invite him to lunch.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24293 Dated 23:53:15 11-01-91 24248 <--> 24316
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PSYCHIC HALLOWEEN
We set up some robots and scared the bejeebers out of a lot of
youngsters this year. We had probably ten times as many as last
year. Went through our candy, then two more bags.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24294 Dated 1:07:01 11-02-91 24234 <--> 24306
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
It would now -- but I was in the Air Force in the fifties, when
educational standards were somewhat higher; in the cold war era there
weren't all that many grunts, it was primarily a technical military.
These days, anyone who can make change for a dollar would probably
score high.
Msg #24295 Dated 1:11:32 11-02-91 24235 <--> 24308
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
David -- I would be interested in having one of the Gambler's General
Store catalogs, if they are still available.
Msg #24297 Dated 1:18:53 11-02-91 24278 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: PATRICK CULLITON (X)
Re: TRY AGAIN -- CULLITON HER
Nope, haven't seen such a ms. -- but it is nice to see you on the
board.
Msg #24299 Dated 2:03:35 11-02-91 24264 <--> 24300
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Thanks for your comments, David. I plan to try and get in touch with
them and clear up what would appear to be some misinformation on their
part. You are right, the comments we received were those of an
attendee, not a "convention reviewer."
Msg #24300 Dated 2:04:47 11-02-91 24272 <--> 24321
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
The attendee in question dropped out of active participation in MAGIC!
due to some other things he had going on. Just wait - I'm planning to
review their review of our report of their convention! Now THAT could
be the start of a trend!
Are we to assume you are back in Tennessee?
Msg #24302 Dated 2:08:48 11-02-91 24284 <--> 24330
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EL TAB
Ain't NO WAY I'm gettin' in a shootin' match with Gloria! You wanna
personalize the place with bullet holes, you are ON YOUR OWN. Me, I'll
settle for a pen knife out on the verandah.
Msg #24306 Dated 2:18:41 11-02-91 24289 <--> 24307
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Why did I have a suspicion (hunch? mental powers?) that you were going
to send me that line about "Bingo was his name-o"? Even as I typed my
message I could see it coming.
Msg #24307 Dated 2:21:46 11-02-91 24294 <--> 24328
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
There was still a draft in the 50's, wasn't there? In any event, you
were a couple of standard deviations above the mean.
Msg #24308 Dated 2:24:19 11-02-91 24279 <--> 24309
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS
Er, IHOP. My in-laws have strange tastes in food, and Nathan liked the
"Funny Face" pancake on the children's menu.
Msg #24309 Dated 2:25:13 11-02-91 24295 <--> 24342
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: VEGAS
I believe I have one left, T A. It may take me a couple of days to get
it to you - sudden spurt of activity on a proposal I'm working on. It
looks like a very busy weekend and week.
Msg #24310 Dated 2:27:22 11-02-91 24280 <--> 24343
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
Don't worry - I'd find a way to make it fit! Mine is making horrible
grinding noises and I have to put it in neutral at stop lights just to
keep it from chewing itself to death.
Msg #24314 Dated 2:32:47 11-02-91 24286 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LUNCH
Actually, I'm using everything I can get my hands on! Microsoft
VisualBasic, Asymetric's ToolBook, and something called Oriel. Just
hope I can make the !@#$% thing work!
Msg #24315 Dated 2:35:07 11-02-91 24290 <--> 24408
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
Will call you if I'm goin' your way!
Msg #24316 Dated 2:35:50 11-02-91 24293 <--> 24409
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: PSYCHIC HALLOWEEN
Sounds like you had a good time handing out candy. I like to do
"special effects" stuff for Halloween when I have a chance, but didn't
get one this year.
Msg #24317 Dated 3:13:58 11-02-91 -> 24322
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Kids in our area have "discovered" aeplacement for dragon's breath.
They are using the coffee creamer found at Taco Bell. My students must
clean out the stores about twice a day as they light a match and pour
the creamer from a height of three feet and enjoy the flame. The
students are ready to learn why and are movtivated but I wonder if they
are becoming "pyros."
Msg #24321 Dated 6:08:37 11-02-91 24300 <--> 24339
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Am at Nuevo DeCarlo for next week or so before I make another run to
Hotel DeCarlo to pick up more stuff. I've got about half of the shop
stuff to go yet.... band saw, table sanders, wood lathe and a ton of
small stuff to pack plus a truck load of Gloria's medals and awards
from shooting. Do the review of the review. I think it is timely. I
thought Randy did an OK job. At least he made the effort, anyway and
his heart was in the right place.
Msg #24322 Dated 6:08:44 11-02-91 24317 <--> 24323
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Thanks for reminding me not to put Taco Bell coffee creamer in my
Taco Bell coffee. BTW, if you haven't sent that stuff to me yet,
you can send it direct to Tennessee to Tabman, 760 Flatwoods Road
Lebanon, TN 37087 USA.....
Msg #24323 Dated 8:11:23 11-02-91 24317 <--> 24331
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
about fooling a magician, even when they know the principle.
Just finished a gambling show at Hyatt North Shore in Tahoe, and
showed some specially gaffed oriental games. Remote control dice
for Sic Bo, Pai Gow and Pai Gow Poker, and Hi-Low. You can't
believe the electronics. Plus a tell tray that works on the
sound of the dice scutting across the plate. It tells when a high
number is up. We better call Louie and make a deal.
Msg #24324 Dated 8:11:32 11-02-91 24147 <--> 24326
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
OK
Msg #24325 Dated 8:11:37 11-02-91 24149 <--> 24333
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Are they making rubber thumb tips, as we are speaking?
Msg #24326 Dated 8:11:42 11-02-91 24168 <--> 24332
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
I found a copy in Jay's shop at Magic Inc., so if he can find it,
I'm covered.
Msg #24327 Dated 8:11:49 11-02-91 24184 <--> 24377
From: GENO MUNARI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WIND-UP CARD FINDER
Thanks Jerry, this makes it easier. I think rdmagic is great.
Msg #24328 Dated 8:11:54 11-02-91 24202 <--> 24334
From: GENO MUNARI
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I must be losing it Kevin, cause I can't remember either.
I live in Las Vegas and occaisionally visit LA. Will be going
to Japan for shows on Nov. 15, so will probabbly stop on way over,
and the way back.
Msg #24330 Dated 8:12:14 11-02-91 24271 <--> 24335
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: EL TAB
Hey Tabmann.....Do I have some interesting gaffs to show you!
Msg #24331 Dated 8:12:12 11-02-91 24323 <--> 24347
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Hey let me know about that dice stuff next chance....
Msg #24332 Dated 8:12:34 11-02-91 24326 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: PRETTY SNEAKY
YOU DID GET A COPY OF PRETTY SNEAKY? LET ME KNOW....
Msg #24333 Dated 8:12:56 11-02-91 24325 <--> 24411
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: IBM
Don't know about Rubber TTs
Msg #24334 Dated 8:13:22 11-02-91 24328 <--> 24336
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Hey San Francisco is a stopover ... why not fly via SF one way?
If you think you can give me dates so I will know if I is here.
Msg #24335 Dated 8:13:56 11-02-91 24330 <--> 24340
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: EL TAB
Don't I get to see them tooooooo?
Msg #24336 Dated 8:14:15 11-02-91 24291 <--> 24338
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Leave a message here online to Geno... he can give you his address
the video info and phone number... I don't have it handy this moment
or I would... but he reads this stuff every few days.
Msg #24337 Dated 8:14:20 11-02-91 24292 <--> 24412
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
Yep, Keith is a cool fella and a talented cat...
Msg #24338 Dated 8:14:22 11-02-91 24294 <--> 24341
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Do you want fries with your change?
Msg #24339 Dated 8:14:25 11-02-91 24299 <--> 24356
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Unfortunatley any body that writes a review is now a reviewer.
It is a bit like buying a trick and putting it into a show that same
night... it takes a looooooong time to understand and to judge a
show, convention etc. as you must attend dozens, if not hundreds
to get a "gauge" and you have to have a strong background and
knowledge of magic, its tricks and inventors...
Msg #24340 Dated 8:14:33 11-02-91 24302 <--> 24353
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EL TAB
No, you miss the point... YOU don't shoot. You stand there and Glo
does an outline of you on the wall with .30 caliber rounds.
Msg #24341 Dated 8:14:36 11-02-91 24307 <--> 24352
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
T A has never been "mean".
Msg #24342 Dated 8:14:39 11-02-91 24308 <--> 24366
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
IHOP is not in the food biz... they are in the Orange Roof biz...
Msg #24343 Dated 8:14:42 11-02-91 24310 <--> 24355
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
Try some Mystery Transmission Oil products...
Msg #24347 Dated 8:14:58 11-02-91 24317 <--> 24350
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Just keep them out of Oakland. A buddy of mine (I just found out)
lost about 10 Vintage race cars. He did save the BRM and Cooper
Formula One machines... and Reggie Jackson lost his THIRD home
to fire (he had 3 houses burn down now) included this time were
several of his valuable cars....
Msg #24350 Dated 8:15:18 11-02-91 24322 <--> 24351
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Taco Bell figures the creamer stuff is in the coffee and when you
toss in the match the coffee puts the fire out, I guess.
.
Got a loooooong photo day today... but gonna do some of the cool
magic tomorrow for lunch. Did the paper balls over the head on the
ad agency guy at restaurant last night... and the guy immediately
said, "So that's what it looks like from this view. Last week I
saw a guy do this to someone else!" Shoot... there were 7 other
guys at the table I could have chosen... foooonman.... argh...
charg... farg... narg... ;+)
Msg #24351 Dated 9:45:25 11-02-91 24317 <--> 24380
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Interesting! I'll have to try it! Taco Bell is nearby and is our
"company cafeteria." Most of us probably go thru a pyro phases at one
time or another. My friends and I used to make gunpowder. We'd fill
a small box with it, use an M-80 to help it get started.
Msg #24352 Dated 10:20:00 11-02-91 24334 <--> 24354
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
That is not a bad idea. I will be working in Japan for two weeks.
I am working for the third richest man in the world, and he loves
magic. I will be doing three stage shows and three private shows.
It really is fun there, as you know. I will be leaving on the 15th
to Tokyo, so I would probally try either before, or after I return
on the 30 or so.......shall we magic on down to Tadich's Grill?
Msg #24353 Dated 10:20:11 11-02-91 24335 <--> 24364
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EL TAB
Yes, you can even put your flicking fingers on them...you too
Lichtman, since you are now a converted Vegas card/sharper/rounder/
grifter.
When it comes to gambling, there are two times in a man's life when h
he should gamble; When he can, and when he should'nt.
Msg #24354 Dated 10:20:22 11-02-91 24336 <--> 24361
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
My gaming video, Casino Table Game Cheating Exposed, has now been
reduced to $100......and every person who is a regular user of Magic
BBS, that buys it, I will donate $50.00 to MAGIC. If you want to have
friends buy it, that's OK to.
My address is Geno Munari
POB 98177
Las Vegas, NV 89193
Phone (702) 383-8660
876-8409
595-7770 cellular
Msg #24355 Dated 10:49:30 11-02-91 23856 <--> 24367
From: MIKE KING
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
I'm not sure where to find out about it. But give me a day or two and
I'll see what i can come up with. Sorry didn't respond earlier but
have been doing a week in Phoenix. Hope all is well with you and
yours. MIKE.
Msg #24356 Dated 10:50:36 11-02-91 24321 <--> 24359
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
I agree - I think Randy gave us a good view of the convention. There
were things that I might have seen differently, but it was certainly
his view and I'm glad he did it.
Msg #24357 Dated 10:51:02 11-02-91 23857 <--> 24405
From: MIKE KING
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
MY PLEASURE!!!!!! I am always happy to help someone be a better
performer. We're all in this together. Glad I could help. MIKE.
Msg #24359 Dated 10:51:58 11-02-91 24339 <--> 24396
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Pete -
I disagree with you! First of all, Randy's messages about Abbotts were
not reviews, per se, they were more like letters. Secondly, I think
that from time to time it is worthwhile to see things from the
perspective of an average attendee rather than from someone with a
great deal of experience. When we do the final test on our products,
it is always with people who are as close the the intended audience as
possible. The "experts" would have already given their input. I think
that Randy's perspective was very interesting.
Also, an experienced reviewer often has a number of axes to grind - he
or she is likely to have friendships or animosities that will effect
their judgement, background experiences that are likely to differ from
the average attendee, etc. That is not to say that experienced reviews
are not highly desirable, just that they are different.
Msg #24360 Dated 10:55:22 11-02-91 -> 24387
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LIFE IN GENERAL
Hi Guy!!!! Sorry it has been so long since I have spoken with you. I
have had a helluva life since last we communicated. First I had to
relocate. I always hate a move. And during that process, someone
broke into my car and stole almost eevrything I own. My computor, two
Anvil cases of magic and sound equipment, all my clothes. I came out
with practically nothing. I headed back to New Orleans for a while to
rebuild. Then when I got back, I landed a gig in Phoenix for a week
and am just now returning from that. So I have been abit2O.-*>=| busy.
So Anyway I hope things are well with you and you are getting things
in order for the move. Still want to have you build for me, but am
having to spend money to replace alot of everyday things. Hope to hear
from you soon. MIKE.
Msg #24361 Dated 11:03:17 11-02-91 24341 <--> 24362
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
T A has certainly never been ordinary or plebian, he is far from
median, and certainly not "al la mode." But I would reserve judgement
about his being "mean."
Msg #24362 Dated 11:05:37 11-02-91 24352 <--> 24363
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Geno -
If you run into any local magi while you are in Japan, get 'em on
MAGIC!
Msg #24363 Dated 11:06:29 11-02-91 24354 <--> 24388
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
THANK YOU, GENO! That is ONE HECK OF A DEAL for anyone who would like
to have your tape, Casino Table Game Cheating Exposed, and for MAGIC!
Your generosity is very much appreciated!
Msg #24364 Dated 11:08:07 11-02-91 24340 <--> 24365
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EL TAB
Uh, Pete, the point is that I want to miss the point! I've been shot
at before and it ain't fun. Although I must admit that the idea of
leaving a shadowgram of me on a wall of Nueve DeCarlo, done in .30
caliber rounds by Glo, is most interesting! I'd want to move out of
the way while she signed it though.
Msg #24365 Dated 11:10:48 11-02-91 24353 <--> 24389
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: EL TAB
I'll be very interested in seeing your stuff, Geno. But as to being a
"converted Vegas card/sharper/rounder/grifter"... well, I've attended
the church a couple of times, thanks to you, Tabman and Pete, but I
ain't taken the pledge yet!
Msg #24366 Dated 11:12:10 11-02-91 24342 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS
Actually, there is a nice, clean new IHOP in Barstow - up the East Main
exit. It is a converted HoJo's - they re-did the roof. It is the
cleanest looking IHOP I've ever seen and the Grain N' Nut pancakes
(59-cents extra) are pretty good.
Msg #24367 Dated 11:13:35 11-02-91 24343 <--> 24422
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
Should I try the Mystery stuff now? Or about an hour before I go to
trade the car in? .
Msg #24375 Dated 12:52:29 11-02-91 23776 <-
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: SUPPLY REQUEST
Thanx, will try...
Msg #24376 Dated 12:55:23 11-02-91 24256 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FOOD
Yes Hamptons is on the list. Thanks Marvin.
Msg #24377 Dated 12:55:02 11-02-91 23858 <-
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WIND-UP CARD FINDER
I saw someone do it at a closed SAM meeting. I'm not sure this is the
one you are talking about, and don't know who created it (so I probably
shouldn't spill it), but the guy who did used a svengali deck. He
forces the card using this deck, deals the cards into two piles,
magician forces the "all the same card piles", and the rest is wind up
history!. Is this the one you're looking for? And does anyone out there
know who came up with this method?
Msg #24378 Dated 13:01:09 11-02-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ARTICLE PERMISSION
Pete, I don't know if you got my previous message, so here's a repeat.
Your review of Sir Lantz (message# 23335) was interesting, and I'd like
to print it up in the SAM#112 newsletter. I just want to know if I
could have permission to do so. Thanx!
Msg #24380 Dated 15:56:32 11-02-91 24317 <--> 24383
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
thats all well and good but do we really need more jay scott berrys to
set the world on fire?? imagin a kid show performer going to mrs.
jones's house for a b-day party "look" says magi and proceeds to light
his dove pan with a flash of fire and smoke, BUT what happens is that
the combustion leaves a big burn mark on the ceiling or worse yet....
the carpet catches on fire!!!!! world clown asso has insurance for this
but is the risk of a young magician burning himself or others really
worth it?????? william wizard has a flasher device similar to the
dragonsd breath that attaches to a bic lighter and how bout the match
inferno that was popular some years back????? think about the risks
involved. but, we are in a profession that takes the risk (last
halloween for example) of being sealed in a coffin or hanging
upsidedown in a straightjacket by a burning rope. we don't need another
mike rosso tragady (anyone know how he is doing?) remember magic is
almost like sex (huh???) we perform to our best ability and in order to
reach the magical orgasim we must also play safely.
forever in fun,
scott alcalay, aka scotty the magic clown
ps if you would like a color postcard of scotty, leave me e-mail with
your address and i will send you one!!!!
Msg #24381 Dated 17:03:50 11-02-91
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Help..my wife just got after me. She has a few shares of Pepsi who
owns Taco Bell....if you go in after the creamer please buy a Taco.
comment to
Msg #24382 Dated 17:05:41 11-02-91 -> 24427
From: DOUG SMITH
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Scott...students and most adults associate fire with mystery. With
kids we can either copperate and discuss ideas with them so they
understand the dangers or we can let explore dangerous ideas without
guidance. i find most of my talented and gifted students wish to
explore new ideas. Rememberm there are many things we did as kids that
our parents were not to find out about. ....I am glad to see that as
a clown you underastand magic. Most people in clowning, and I have
seen hundreds, do not understand the simplest ideas of performing and
routining and practice, much less ask for help and input before they
doan act. The young people that I ssee in magic are getting advice
before doing a show....Hope you enjoy the clowning, it paid for a lot
of college for our children.
Msg #24383 Dated 17:12:07 11-02-91 24323 <--> 24385
From: DOUG SMITH
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Did I get part of your message intended for someone else? Does your
video include the discussion of the electronics used in dishonesty of
gambling? Is there a brief outline of what is included in the video.
over the past 15 years I have seen a number of games at carnivals,
fairs, celebrations that made me wonder. of course some fairs like
the Luehr Ideal Fair group has never had any question in my mind, but
some of the
groups were strange.
Does the tape mention any of these games of skill?
Msg #24384 Dated 17:17:49 11-02-91 -> 24429
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: POSTER
Does anyone know of a magician called "Sauczuk the Mystifier" ? I
picked up a poster today printed by National of chicago. It had a
number 3181 printed under the logo. It is about 22 x 30 inches?
Msg #24385 Dated 17:21:48 11-02-91 24322 <--> 24390
From: DOUG SMITH
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Package was sent 2nd class on October 28th.to Md.
Msg #24387 Dated 19:34:20 11-02-91 24360 <--> 24397
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: LIFE IN GENERAL
Mike, give me a call after 2pm in Las Vegas...702-876-8409, I have
some things for you if you want them.
Msg #24388 Dated 19:34:26 11-02-91 24362 <--> 24398
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
10-4.......I will tel Ton Onasaka et al.
Msg #24389 Dated 19:34:31 11-02-91 24365 <--> 24392
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EL TAB
You are "auto-ed" into the scamarami!
Msg #24390 Dated 19:34:36 11-02-91 24383 <--> 24395
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Only casino games of Blackjack, craps, roulette and baccarat, but
does mention electronics.
Msg #24391 Dated 19:41:58 11-02-91 -> 24445
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: PSYCHIC HALLOWEEN
Enjoyed Jerry Burton's review of the 80-year-old
psychic. I just returned from a performance by Cab
Calloway and the Count Basie Orchestra. Cab
(introduced as his Hi De Ho-ness) announced that he
will turn 84 on December 25. Amazing that he not only
CAN work at this age, but IS working, on the road.
Great stuff tonight including "Blues in the Night,"
"Minnie the Moocher," "Good Time Charlie's Got the
Blues," etc. Any magic? Well, other than his age and
the great music, Cab did one neat bit where, while
dancing during the start of a song, he blew into the
microphone repeatedly. Each time he blew, a little
more of the stage lighting went out, until all that was
left was a solo spot on him. A nice touch, leading
into the "St. James Infirmiry Blues." All in all a
fine show -- catch it if it comes your way.
Msg #24392 Dated 19:44:26 11-02-91 24330 <--> 24399
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: EL TAB
We need to spend more time together Geno!!!
Msg #24395 Dated 19:44:35 11-02-91 24350 <--> 24401
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
NARG;;;;;;choke>> cough!!
Been looking at a video Charlie shot of Mike O'Dowd downstairs and
it is great stuff. I can't wait to see the book.
What race are you shooting today??? Is it a stadium gig??
Msg #24396 Dated 19:44:40 11-02-91 24356 <--> 24404
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Randy did give us the view of the basic semi informed magical (what
was that word again???) and I enjoyed reading it though it seems that
somebody at NEW TOPS didn't which is OK too. I didn't know they were
looking over our collective shoulder!!!
Msg #24397 Dated 19:44:44 11-02-91 24360 <--> 24417
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: LIFE IN GENERAL
Hi Mike!!!! Sorry to hear about the missing stuff. I have an xtra
computer if you need it (it is in Maryland but am going up there in
a week or so to make another pickup). We have been moving likewise.
Lemme give you the new address:
760 Flatwoods Road
Lebanon, Tennessee 37087
615-449-7385
615-449-7392 (FAX)
Good to hear from you and am glad you are OK.
tabman
Msg #24398 Dated 19:44:53 11-02-91 24361 <--> 24407
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Who said T A Waters is "mean"? And just what do you mean by mean???
Msg #24399 Dated 19:44:56 11-02-91 24364 <--> 24400
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EL TAB
You guys are crazy!!!
Msg #24400 Dated 19:44:58 11-02-91 24365 <--> 24403
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EL TAB
Yowsuh!!!!! Holey Moley!!!!!!!!!
Msg #24401 Dated 19:45:00 11-02-91 24385 <--> 24416
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Great. Thanks Doug. It will be forwarded to me by the Charlotte Hall
postal people (who love me - well, that's what they said, anyway)!!
Msg #24403 Dated 20:02:06 11-02-91 24284 <--> 24439
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EL TAB
Nah - let's use Mexican ballpoints (spray cans) !
Msg #24404 Dated 20:02:08 11-02-91 24359 <--> 24406
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Are you going to respond to the article at all ?? It seems that a
letter to the editor clarifying the 'review' would be appropriate.
Msg #24405 Dated 20:02:11 11-02-91 24357 <--> 24419
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
I did it a couple of times last at the castle and have been experimen
ting with different ways of revealing the selection. Will show you
what I have come up with when I see you again - thanks !
Msg #24406 Dated 21:03:13 11-02-91 24299 <--> 24421
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
David,
Except for the misspelling of a name, I don't think that they
have a legitimate gripe. These were the impressions of someone.
That, in essence, is all a review is. One of the wonderful
things about electronic media is the ability of anyone with an
opinion to write something on it. They obviously have some
access to the board, so they should have written their complaints
here. Then, if you, the sysop, had squelched them, or made the
review "the law" of the board, they would have a real issue to
raise.
To even suggest that their giving advertising requires you to
only allow positive messages on your board is a dangerous
attitude. Certainly they have a right to some credit in this
department, but one has nothing to do with the other.
One man's opinion.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24407 Dated 21:03:21 11-02-91 24306 <--> 24410
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I'm getting predictable in my old age. Or at least my puns are.
Okay, I admit it. I took the easy pun, when so many others were
looking me right in the face. I must have had a tough day.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24408 Dated 21:03:26 11-02-91 24315 <--> 24581
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
Looking forward to it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24409 Dated 21:03:30 11-02-91 24316 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PSYCHIC HALLOWEEN
Halloween is always fun.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24410 Dated 21:03:34 11-02-91 24328 <--> 24414
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Geno,
Let me know if you are in LA, and have time. I'll drive out, and
maybe we can get together.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24411 Dated 21:03:39 11-02-91 24325 <--> 24628
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: IBM
Geno,
Do you need rubber thumb tips? I could make you some if you have
a need.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24412 Dated 21:03:43 11-02-91 24337 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN
I will give him a call as soon as things cool off a bit. Thanks.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24413 Dated 21:05:25 11-02-91 -> 24670
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HERO
Jerry,
While going through a friend's garage, I found a Hero robot (not to be
confused with a hero sandwich) which hasn't been completed. The friend
informed me that it was a friend of his'. Would you like me to see if
this person is interested in parting with this machine?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24414 Dated 23:05:43 11-02-91 24307 <--> 24415
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I was in the Air Force, which doesn't draft -- and since then I have
added a LOT of deviations...
Msg #24415 Dated 23:11:12 11-02-91 24361 <--> 24420
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
So, apparently, would some of the subjects of my reviews...
Msg #24416 Dated 23:14:47 11-02-91 24380 <--> 24424
From: T A WATERS
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
Do you remember the flaming dove pan story in Penn and Teller's book?
It is wonderful.
Msg #24417 Dated 0:24:40 11-03-91 24387 <--> 24418
From: MIKE KING
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: LIFE IN GENERAL
Hi there !!! I am getting your message at 12:30 a.m. and don't want to
call too late. Will shout at you tomorrow.
Msg #24418 Dated 0:27:17 11-03-91 24397 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LIFE IN GENERAL
Thanks. But unless it is a MacIntosh. I would not have anything to
run on it. Thanks for the offer though. Glad to hear from you. MIKE.
Msg #24419 Dated 0:28:21 11-03-91 24405 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
My pleasure. Glad I am glad I could give you an effect you can get a
lot of use out of. Look forward to seeing you again soon. Will do the
Castle tomorrow night (Sunday) maybe I'll see ya there. Bye for now.
Msg #24420 Dated 1:28:44 11-03-91 24354 <--> 24435
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Heckuva deal... go for it folks... I got the tape and there is some
killer stuff on it!
Msg #24421 Dated 1:28:48 11-03-91 24359 <--> 24432
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
OK, it is OK to disagree. Blat!
Msg #24422 Dated 1:28:51 11-03-91 24367 <--> 24441
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
There are a number of products that smooth out the transmission
actions... really.
Msg #24423 Dated 1:28:54 11-03-91 -> 24447
From: PETE BIRO
To: ER
Re: YES... I DID LEAVE A REPL
S
Er;24393
WE WON TONITE... FIRST TIME IN 8 YEARS TOYOTA GOT BEAT FOR THE
STADIUM CHAMPIONSHIP. WALKER EVANS, DODGE AND GOODYEAR ALL WON
THEIR RESPECTIVE CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! KILLER!!!!!!!!!
Msg #24424 Dated 1:29:01 11-03-91 24395 <--> 24428
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
YEP SEE EARLIER MESSAGE.. WE WON IT ALL....
Msg #24426 Dated 9:54:23 11-03-91
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: BACKFLIPS
David, I don't know if you had tried my version of the
backflips or not yet but I've been tinkering with the final
showing of the backs of the four cards which is really five.
A few times (thank goodness it was only in practice!) the
back of the odd red backed King would slide out from beneath
the card hiding it. Of course that would ruin the effect if
they were to get a glimpse of or even suspect a fifth card.
Herewith is my new and improved handling for it. You can use
this for any time you have five cards but want to show them
as four hiding the middle one. Please read this with the
five cards in your hands and see if it works for you.
.
The packet of cards is held face down in the left hand
dealing position. The right hand comes over palm down and
takes hold of the top and bottom narrow edges by the thumb at
the rear and the second finger at the top near the right
edges. The right hand is angled outwards to leave an
unobstructed view of the cards.
The left thumb squeezes over the top card about a third to a
half an inch. The four left fingers simultaneously lightly
squeeze the balance of the packet inward towards the inside
of the palm. This keeps the cards squared. The right hands
thumb and second finger are used to keep the top card squared
with the rest of the packet. The left hand now releases its
grip and the packet is held only by the right thumb and
second finger. All you have done so far is to neatly jog the
top card out to the right about a third of an inch.
The left fingers go under the packet and lightly draw the
bottom card entirely away from the packet so it can be seen
as a single card. I draw it deep into my left palm to leave
my left fingertips free. My left hand remains still as my
right hand moves towards the right and slightly downwards
brushing the edges of the packet against the single card in
the left hand. The brushing action with light pressure helps
with the audio illusion as you can hear the unmistakable snap
of a single card.
Then draw off the new bottom card in the same way dropping it
about a third of an inch to the right of the card in the left
hand. Square the left packet up with the left hand as the
right hand again moves back to the right.
You now have two cards squared in the left hand and what
appears to be two cards separated by a third of an inch in
the right hand. Bring the double cards over to the left hand
in the same way as before but drop them closer to the left
edge of the packet in the left hand. Leave them jogged about
a quarter of an inch to the right. Draw them square
simultaneously as you move the right hand away. The right
hand single card brushes against the edge of the packet again
with the sound of a single card. For the last card which is
still held between the thumb and second finger, I place my
right forefinger in the center of the card and lightly bow it
downwards. The card is brought over to the left packet, the
center of the card touches the center of the packet and it is
let snap onto the others.
.
If you do this at normal speed the whole thing takes only
five seconds. If you want to go extra slow for added
emphasis you can do one more thing to make it squeaky clean.
After you jog over the top card at the beginning and you are
reaching underneath the packet to draw out the bottom card
you can place a little pressure with your left thumb on top
of the cards and actually push the bottom three cards a
little to the right before you pull one out. This leaves the
visible left edge of the right hand packet without a double
thickness to any of the cards. The double is squared as it
is placed into the left hand.
It looks so clean you can fool yourself!
Since I can't show you with pictures I hope this was detailed
enough. Please let me know if this helps or if there is
anything I was not clear enough on.
.
Msg #24427 Dated 9:49:37 11-03-91 24382 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
hey now doug, i am not JUST a clown!!! I have been involved in magic
since......and have been a member of the castle since '81. i use the
makeup for fairs and festivals and the traditional b-day party. why is
it that many magi shun the clown?? i know, because the magi do not
believe that the clown is not a tech-noid!!! some yes some no. i AM
competent as a finger flinger too! true many things we did do as kids
our parents never found out about but in todays day and age....well
thats a horse of a diffrent color....i would hate to see a young magi
burn the shit out of his body when trying to do what he saw an older
magi do. (imagin a young b-day magi doing the fire thing for his
friends, friends try it and POOF there is a four alarm fire) i was one
who did not have guidence, however as a working pro, i am alarmed at
the sight of a novice or hobbyist doing the element of danger stuff for
the pre-teen set. YES, fire does add mystery to the show!! were you at
the castle when prof. florey set the parlor curtains on fire or the guy
(dont rember name) who set the palace curtains ablaze and david novich
had to run for an extinguisher????? not a pretty picture!! this
happened at "gong show night" peter pit relates to this in a humorus
way. ask him bout the incedent. UNFORTUNATLY, alot of our younger
proteges are not aware of the danger or dont take the precautioons the
knoledgeable take (but then again how many people lost their lives to
the creation of flash paper or string??? think about it!!!
Msg #24428 Dated 10:03:56 11-03-91 24416 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DRAGONS BREATH
hey now, T A!
yes i do!!! and to make matters even more in light, how bout the
guy who accidently set his dove on fire at the castle (remember?) or my
old magic partner, Steve Schlanger, who did the exact same thing at a
kids party!! what a hoot!!! or prof. flo-rey setting the parlor ablaze
with his torch to cane???????
Msg #24429 Dated 10:07:40 11-03-91 24384 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: POSTER
check with Byron Walker or Dom Dimento both are poster collectors!
Msg #24432 Dated 11:03:53 11-03-91 24396 <--> 24433
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Apparently, the folks at Abbotts may be looking over our shoulder, but
they are a bit nearsighted - they didn't comment on the tons of
publicity that they got during the "Do you know Abbotts address?"
period.
Msg #24433 Dated 11:06:16 11-03-91 24404 <--> 24434
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Yes, I do plan to clarify the operation of MAGIC! to the folks at
Abbotts. I may have to do it in writting - I have their address.
Msg #24434 Dated 11:11:50 11-03-91 24406 <--> 24452
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
I found New Tops suggestion of trading "advertising" for positive
messages interesting too!
As to our editorial policy, it is clear that messages on MAGIC! express
the viewpoint of the individual who writes them and NOT any official
position. We do not "squelch" messages unless they involve illegality
or contain foul language, or something like that. I DO reserve the
right to "squelch" a message, but opinion is not a reason for doing so.
Had Abbotts chosen to place their message here, it would most certainly
not have been squelched.
Msg #24435 Dated 11:21:19 11-03-91 24388 <--> 24436
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I'd really appreciate your passing the word about MAGIC! on while you
are in Japan. We need better connections to Japanese magi.
Msg #24436 Dated 11:24:28 11-03-91 24398 <--> 24437
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I didn't say T A was mean. I simply reserved judgement on the matter.
Msg #24437 Dated 11:25:39 11-03-91 24414 <--> 24438
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Yes, but weren't there people who chose to volunteer for the Air Force
in preference to being drafted into the Army? As to the added
deviations... perhaps they are a sign of maturity?
Msg #24438 Dated 11:28:30 11-03-91 24415 <--> 24453
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
And some of the subjects of your reviews have not reserved judgement
about your being mean!
Msg #24439 Dated 11:30:09 11-03-91 24389 <--> 24440
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: EL TAB
Wow! Thanks! Being "auto-ed" into the scamarami with you as sponsor
is an honor that I take quite seriously!
Msg #24440 Dated 11:31:43 11-03-91 24399 <--> 24454
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: EL TAB
We're crazy? And you are just finding that out? Where have you been
for your last 4,000 logons to MAGIC!?
Msg #24441 Dated 11:33:40 11-03-91 24422 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 5 CARD MYSTERY
We found some Solder Seal/Gunk "Transeal" Automatic Transmission Sealer
and Conditioner. I'm going to toss it into the tranny today and see if
it helps. If not, I may have to try sawdust and an immediate trade-in.
Msg #24445 Dated 11:55:22 11-03-91 24391 <--> 24607
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: PSYCHIC HALLOWEEN
Thanks for the report on the Cab Calloway show. Sounds like it was a
great evening!
Msg #24447 Dated 11:57:57 11-03-91 24423 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YES... I DID LEAVE A REPL
Congrats to your team on the win, Pete! Sounds like it was a big one!
I passed the blimp lot a couple of days ago, but still haven't heard
from Doc about getting closer to it.
Msg #24450 Dated 12:14:12 11-03-91 -> 24457
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I hear that Copperfield will be appearing in the L. A. area in late
November. Would anyone know if he will be performing his new "flying"
illusion here? If so, I'll be sure to see him.
Msg #24452 Dated 14:39:33 11-03-91 24432 <--> 24455
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Thats just the way it is, David. Most folks don't thank you for the
nice and good stuff you do for them and then when it appears that a
negative has transpired, they scream. Oh well. Gotta keep on stacking
up the "good rocks."
Msg #24453 Dated 14:39:38 11-03-91 24436 <--> 24460
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I gotta admit that the T A photo on the Water's Encyclopedia looks
like he could bite the neck off a long neck beer. But mean, he ain't.
Msg #24454 Dated 14:39:41 11-03-91 24440 <--> 24461
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EL TAB
Sheesh, have I hit 4000 logons already. I quit looking. I did get a
"free" flight on NW airlines because I signed up to MCI via NW Freq
Flyer program. Maybe I'll have to find something to do with all this
time I used to have on my hands. Have been in the Nuevo DeCarlo
woodlot today scouting native walnut and cherrywood that I can fell
and take to the mill. Also cutting firewood. I guess I had it made
at The Hotel DeCarlo, but no hot showers and they feel so good!!!!!
Msg #24455 Dated 14:49:08 11-03-91 24434 <--> 24458
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
David,
I did not mean to imply that you would. I was just trying to put
forth circumstances where their actions might have been
justifiable. As none of those circumstances occured (nor would
occur) they were (in my opinion) less than justified.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24456 Dated 15:02:19 11-03-91 -> 24462
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: MILK TO SILK
I haven't seen this effect done and I don't know how it is done but I
have a general idea that you pour milk into a glass and it changes to
a white silk. OK, fine. I have a story line that I use where I vanish
a glass of beer and I use slush powder for it. I was asked to do a
kids party next week and I didn't think that would go over as well with
the parents. So I thought I would vanish some milk instead and that's
when I remembered the title "Milk to Silk". I must have seen it in a
catalog somewhere. What I've done is take a couple of styrofoam cups
and cut one of them down to form a small compartment which I can glue
into the whole cup. This compartment will hold the silk. The slush
powder will be at the bottom and I can use a milk pitcher prop to
visibly pour some milk in the cup but most of it will stay in the
pitchers receiving compartment. I go from a pitcher full of milk to a
cup full of milk which I invert on my palm and say a handful of...
and then pull out the silk. I dunno, I guess it's better than beer.
Anyway, my question is this- It takes some preparation to make each of
these cups and they can only be used once. Is there a better way?
I suppose I could not pour any milk into the glass as the pitcher is
designed to do but I like the idea of them seeing milk flow into the
cup. Maybe I don't need that extra realism to gain the same effect??
Msg #24457 Dated 15:39:23 11-03-91 24450 <--> 24475
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
November 29th thru December 8th, 1991, David Copperfield will be at the
Wiltern Theater, 3790 Wilshire Blvd. I would imagine that it is likely
that he will be doing his new flying illusion.
Maybe we should put together a Los Angeles MAGIC! group? We'd need a
volunteer to coordinate it.
Msg #24458 Dated 15:45:37 11-03-91 24452 <--> 24459
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
The way I figure it, Tabman, is that if you yourself know you are
stackin' good rocks, then all is OK. I figure that what we think of
ourselves is the important part. Edwin Bok once said, "Make the World
a bit better for your having been in it." S'good enuf for me.
Msg #24459 Dated 15:47:37 11-03-91 24455 <--> 24490
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
I think we are on the same wavelength on this one, Kevin (Whho, boy,
does THAT make me worry! :-) ). [I'm not sure if the two right parans
makes it grammatically correct or provides a smiley face with a double
chin.]
I'll try to get more of their viewpoint in the next week or so.
Msg #24460 Dated 15:50:28 11-03-91 24453 <--> 24471
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Actually, the whole thing started as a pun on "mean" as a measure of
central tendency (the statistical definition of the term). You might
recall, though, that T A is the Official Head Torturer for MAGIC!
although I don't know if that means that he is in charge, or that he
only performs head torture.
Personally, I rather liked the photo on the Water's Encyclopedia dust
jacket.
Msg #24461 Dated 15:53:27 11-03-91 24454 <--> 24472
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: EL TAB
If it isn't already 4,000 logons, I suspect that it is pretty close.
I'm glad to hear that MCI is running a frequent flyer program for
calling MAGIC! - maybe we should list it as a benefit for members; call
MAGIC! a lot (using MCI) and you can get a free flight to MAGIC! World
Headquarters!
Neat to have walnut and cherrywood right on your property. I guess you
could add a line to the Conjurors Woodworks Certificate of Authenticity
about how the wood was grown on the premises!
Msg #24462 Dated 15:57:38 11-03-91 24456 <--> 24466
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
I have no advice on the effect, Stan, but I LIKE it! I think you've
come up with a pretty creative method and that it sounds like it looks
good. Great!
Msg #24466 Dated 17:31:31 11-03-91 24456 <--> 24476
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
The original Milk to Silk by Hiromasa Fukai used a mirror glass with
the silk on one side, the slush powder in the other. Far more
practical, as the unit need only be washed out, and also as it is
transparent the audience sees the milk enter the glass.
Msg #24467 Dated 17:51:02 11-03-91 -> 24468
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SETUP
TC
I guess that's the spot to be - Nashville.. Good luck there, and knock
em dead. I'll keep my eye out for your new address
Msg #24468 Dated 17:52:36 11-03-91 -> 24469
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
Pete:
In that area of the country, with an ocean view, it sounds like a
steal at the price with that kinda acerage. There must be a number one
missing from the font end of the "8".
Msg #24469 Dated 17:54:59 11-03-91 -> 24473
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
David:
You're right! the guy with the pocket pack and rabbits came over. But
didn't want to work on the computer. He showed me his new "effect"
called "Proffesor's Nightmare". It was a nightmare, but I couldn't help
but wonder why he used such old and dirty ropes.
Seriously, I found by comparing my config.sys to my old config.sys
that a command - device=c:\dos\drivers.sys /d:2 /f:7 was missing. after
editing the config.sys the drive works fine. Except I must have left
something else out because it is showing it as drive D:
Before it was B: But I can live with the D: since it works!
Thanks Again!
Msg #24471 Dated 19:26:35 11-03-91 24460 <--> 24480
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Oh yeah, the TA photo on The TAW Encyclopedia is a "bad" photo. I
think I heard Max Maven (in a conversation with Nathan Lichtman)
refer to the photoed TA as "mean"; but I'm sure he was just kidding
around with the kid.
Msg #24472 Dated 19:26:39 11-03-91 24461 <--> 24481
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EL TAB
Which reminds me....I owe both you and nathan a certificate. Remind
me in a few weeks when I'm back up to "speed" and I'll send em out to
ya'll. Biro too...
Msg #24473 Dated 19:26:43 11-03-91 24467 <--> 24478
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
Harrison,
Write this down:
760 Flatwoods Road
Lebanon, TN 37087
615-449-7385
615-449-7392 (fax)
Thanks for the good wishes. I appreciate it. Wish I could be joining
you at CEMK this year but am too exhausted to make the drive this
weekend. Will see you at 4F though. Gimme a call if you work trades
anywhere around this neck of the forest.
TC
Msg #24475 Dated 19:41:08 11-03-91 24457 <--> 24482
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I'm not sure, but it may have been Pete who mentioned he needed a
certain type or size of stage to do that particular illusion. I saw
him perform not too long ago so I would only make the extra trip if I
knew he was performing it for sure. I'm keeping too busy trying to
rehearse for my annual Christmas show so I don't even know when I will
be able to get away much less coordinate a group of us. I know you're
busier than I am so if someone else would like to try to put something
together that would be great.
Msg #24476 Dated 19:48:45 11-03-91 24466 <--> 24485
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
That sounds like a good idea for the stage but it also seems like you
would have a bit of an angle problem if that mirrored glass were used
in a closer setting, like a living room or parlour. I didn't know you
could wash that slush out. I thought it was toxic waste!
If the mirror faces audience what do they see before you pour the milk
in? Maybe a mirrored cylinder in the center of the glass to hold the
silk would be the best solution. Do they make such a thing? Do we
have a good idea here? 50% of royalties go to Magic!...
Msg #24478 Dated 20:10:54 11-03-91 24469 <--> 24489
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
Very interesting, Harrison! You were using words like "setup" in your
original message so I assumed that you had a system with a CMOS setup
for the drives. Your solution, using the device driver, is absolutely
correct for your machine. As to using D:, actually that gives you a
choice of formats - you can type Format B: for 720's and Format
D for 1.44's. There may be a way to use a mode command (depending
on your version of DOS) to "mode" D: back to B:, but even when I used
a setup like you have, I never bothered. There are some advantages to
having the two drives. As a matter of fact, if you put in the same
statement a SECOND time, right after the first time, you will be able
to use COPY to copy files from "pseudodrive" D: to "pseudodrive" E:.
Msg #24480 Dated 20:18:45 11-03-91 24471 <--> 24492
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
You could be right about Max and Nathan discussing T A as "mean" but
Max did not supply any fears to Nathan. Nathan had already seen the
photo in the book. Nathan has not yet, however, read any of T A's
reviews. His reading speed is still a bit slow and he doesn't get that
far into an issue of GENII before the next one arrives. I haven't
taught him to use the Table of Contents yet, so he goes thru the
magazine sequentially.
Msg #24481 Dated 20:22:39 11-03-91 24472 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: EL TAB
Indeed, Official Certificates would be MOST appreciated! OK, remind me
to remind you in a couple of weeks.
Msg #24482 Dated 20:23:32 11-03-91 24475 <--> 24493
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Will try to find out about the flying illusion for sure. I can
understand your situation and perhaps someone else in the Los Angeles
area will volunteer to coordinate a MAGIC! group to see David
Copperfield.
As to busy, this has been some weekend! But I finished ahead of
schedule and now have a nice GUI demo that not only runs under Windows
but that even has the prospect's logo as a Windows icon - in color!
Msg #24485 Dated 21:45:26 11-03-91 24456 <--> 24495
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
ok, milk to silk......the gimic was (is) a celluloid insert in a clear
mirror glass. remember the mirror glass?? also it may prob be a FOO
CAN. but the mirror glass will be your best bet. ......... if that
fails, be sure to carry a MAGIC COLORING BOOK, break away props and
DAVID GINN'S snake can routine, dated but still easy and fun.
SCOTTY THE MAGIC CLOWN
Msg #24487 Dated 22:24:16 11-03-91 -> 24500
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: M A G I C
Sheesh! I MUST have been busy over the weekend! The November issue of
M A G I C arrived and no-body told me!
So I've just glanced at it so far. Part of the fun is finding lots of
our MAGIC! members in it. It is almost like those games where you look
for all the hidden objects. The Tabman's letter about how he was
"boggled" is there, along with Max Maven AND Phil Goldstein ("Heresy
For The Nineties" and "Word Up" are very good, haven't gotten into the
other stuff yet). But I think I'll let you find the others on your
own.
Msg #24489 Dated 22:35:11 11-03-91 24468 <--> 24812
From: PETE BIRO
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
You wanta buy it at the "steal" price, talk to me!!!
Msg #24490 Dated 22:35:15 11-03-91 24432 <--> 24491
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Like I say.. youse gots to find out who wrote it...
Msg #24491 Dated 22:35:18 11-03-91 24434 <--> 24507
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Abbott's sells a trick called "Squelch"... It is not as good as
their trick called "Squash", however!
Msg #24492 Dated 22:35:22 11-03-91 24436 <--> 24494
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I think the start of this had to do with MEAN as in MEAN AVERERAGE
TEMPERATURE... KINDA
Msg #24493 Dated 22:35:26 11-03-91 24450 <--> 24497
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Even if he doesn't fly... go see...
Msg #24494 Dated 22:35:29 11-03-91 24453 <--> 24508
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
HELP... ALL... ANYBODY... HELP....
MY REGULAR AT COMPUTER WON'T WORK.... HELP.... Ok, here's the story.
I was in Ventura, exited and forgot to RELEASE the memory... and
tried to load Publisher's Paintbrush. It started to load and FROZE
SOLID... Usually if I boot it it unloads the RAM Memory and I can
then start over and load the next memory hog kinda program.
NO GO...
So, turn off alla power. Turn it on. The initial messages on the
screen read and it gets up to MEMORY Test, gets to 640 and FREEZES
UP... It used to go on and tell what things, Mouse, etc. in there
and test 1408 of EXTENDED MEMORY... BUT NO DICE.
So, I put the DOS 3.3 STARTUP DISK IN A DRIVE.... NOTHING.... STILL
THE SAME RESULT, FREEZES AT 640. No error messages no nuttin.
ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTT
.
Uh, is a 286. Is this the time to make it a 386? If you do this
stuff does all the programs and data on the Hard Drive stay OK?
(I have a fairly recent FULL TAPE BACKUP OF ALL, C,D,E,F DRIVES.
have 120 Meg Hard Drive, partintioned to 4 30 Meg drives.
.
HELP.... URGENTLY....HELP
.
Am using my NEC Laptop. Help,help,help, I am sinking fast....
Msg #24495 Dated 22:35:52 11-03-91 24456 <--> 24498
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
That doesn't sound like much work at all. Why not get a mirror
glass? Put some silicone clear sealer around the mirror to make
it waterproof.
.
Doesn't Paul Diamond tell us that if you microwave the slush stuff,
and dry it out it is RE USABLE?
Msg #24497 Dated 22:47:16 11-03-91 24475 <--> 24513
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I will try to find out if David is going to fly at the Wiltern.
If it is a full proscinium stage with the standard stuff, he is
most likely gonna do it.
Msg #24498 Dated 22:47:21 11-03-91 24476 <--> 24499
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
You hold the glass at a slight angle so nobody "makes" it.
I usedto do a bit with a mirror glass (for Magicians only ) where
I looked into it and Combed My Hair! Ken Brooke used to show a
mirror box empty, produce the stuff to shave with and shave by
looking into the mirror box...
.
slush IS RE USABLE OEVER AND OVER AGAIN...
Msg #24499 Dated 22:47:30 11-03-91 24485 <--> 24503
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Fabjance made a combination FOO CAN MIRROR GLASS. You don't need
the Gooey stuff if you can get one.
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