MAGIC! - 70
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Msg #24500 Dated 22:47:34 11-03-91 24487 <--> 24505
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: M A G I C
Hey howcum you got yours befo me...last time I got mine foist.
Msg #24503 Dated 23:49:00 11-03-91 24456 <--> 24504
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Stan,
Paul Diamond has an interesting solution for the used Slush.
He says to microwave it on high for about five minutes. It should
reduce to about half it's original (wet) size. He said another
five to ten minutes should completely dry it out. You can then
crumble it back into powder and reuse it. Don't know which is
cheaper, three bucks of powder, or a two hundred dollar machine
and fifteen minutes of electricity. It works with water, don't
know about milk, could get messy!
David (the other one)
Msg #24504 Dated 23:49:10 11-03-91 24476 <--> 24515
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
One more thing, don't wash out the glass, just give it a smack on
your palm. It should drop out in a lump.
If the Mirror glass is of the fluted juice glass variety, the
ridges camoflage the mirror quite nicely. If you want to try it,
use a slightly curved insert (only about a quarter of a cylinder)
That might disguise the inside even more. A variation of this is
used quite effectively in a recent goldfish production (made by
El Duco?)
David (the other one)
Msg #24505 Dated 23:49:19 11-03-91 24487 <--> 24510
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: M A G I C
Hey! What gives? You got M A G I C before us? I'm going to have
to give Stan a call!
Msg #24507 Dated 23:51:02 11-03-91 24491 <--> 24512
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
They are the ones behind both "Squash" and "Squelch"? What do they do,
sell "Squash" in the Summer?
Msg #24508 Dated 23:52:06 11-03-91 24492 <--> 24509
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
EXACTLY! As in "Mean Average Temperature." A mean is one form of an
average. Average generally comes in one of three flavors: mean, median
or mowed (as distinct from mode - a DOS command).
Msg #24509 Dated 23:57:37 11-03-91 24494 <--> 24514
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
The "freeze" at 640, with no beeps or messages, is rather strange. It
sounds like maybe your battery went out and took your CMOS with it.
You should take to dealer and see what they say. If you are gonna
think about a 386, talk to me first - probably can get you a better
deal.
Msg #24510 Dated 0:01:34 11-04-91 24500 <--> 24511
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: M A G I C
Yeah! A complete surprise to find M A G I C sitting on the counter!
I think control of it goes from Stan Allen to Stan Lake and after he
spent two weeks reading my copy last month he decided to be kind.
Msg #24511 Dated 0:03:13 11-04-91 24505 <--> 24523
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: M A G I C
Letter Carrier (I still prefer "Postman") had few bills to deliver this
month ('cause he knows I ain't got no money), so he must have figured
I was bored and made sure I got my copy.
Msg #24512 Dated 0:39:01 11-04-91 24459 <--> 24524
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Wait'll you meet me. Then you'll REALLY worry!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24513 Dated 0:39:05 11-04-91 24482 <--> 24526
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David,
If you have no other volunteers, I'm more than happy to try to
coordinate. I'm about 60 miles outside of LA, so don't even know
if I qualify for "Los Angeles area."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24514 Dated 0:56:29 11-04-91 24494 <--> 24516
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Pete,
This is more a note of reassurance. Probably, your hard drive is
okay, which means that all files and programs are okay. I think
David is right about your battery going dead. Except for a chip
failure, I can't figure what else it would be. It sounds like
you are getting your message even before it reads the A: drive to
find out what is there. This would definatly be a hardware
problem, and almost certainly nothing to do with how you exited
Ventura. (You notice that my statements have all of the
qualifying "almost"s in them. I've learned in my years with
computers that some of the strangest things happen.)
If you decide to upgrade, I strongly recommend you indeed contact
David first. He can tell you what you need to replace (whole
system, or mother board etc.) and can shop around for good
prices. I have gotten some good deals on Compu-Serve, but I
don't know how much of a hurry you are in.
Good luck!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24515 Dated 0:56:39 11-04-91 24503 <--> 24518
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Undoubtedly a superfluous comment, but please don't microwave
entire glass with mirror in it. I've discovered some interesting
variations of arc welding by puting metal to close to the walls
of a microwave, and the mirror has a metal coating.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24516 Dated 0:55:59 11-04-91 24437 <--> 24517
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
No, the draft wasn't operating when I went it -- it was theoretically
peacetime. I went into the AF in preference to staying in Ohio.
Msg #24517 Dated 0:58:23 11-04-91 24460 <--> 24525
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Correction, David, I am NOT the Head Torturer -- as a holistic sadist
I torture the Whole Person.
Msg #24518 Dated 1:06:50 11-04-91 24476 <--> 24522
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
An alternate would be a Nikola glass -- this is one where the mirror is
made to take up a quarter of the area, like a Sphinx mirror setup;
advantage is that when you hold it in your hand the sides of your hand
are reflected as back (as per Sphinx concept) and it is really very
deceptive.
Msg #24522 Dated 6:39:58 11-04-91 24503 <--> 24529
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Magician's MILK (OOM) is mostly water. Is made of "oil of milk"
thus: OOM, or MOO backwoids...
Msg #24523 Dated 6:40:02 11-04-91 24505 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: M A G I C
Mebbe Stan felt sorry for DL based on his "whining" last month...
Msg #24524 Dated 6:40:05 11-04-91 24507 <--> 24533
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
You got it bwana... SQUASH is maybe one of the best walk around
tricks you could ever want. That one trick was the BACKBONE of the
Abbott Magic Novelty Company when Percy Abbott began the business
(with Harry Blackstone's $$).
Msg #24525 Dated 6:40:11 11-04-91 24509 <--> 24527
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Hope is an easy $$$ fix... argh
Msg #24526 Dated 6:40:14 11-04-91 24513 <--> 24540
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
You are LINKED to LA area via modem, dude...
Msg #24527 Dated 6:40:17 11-04-91 24514 <--> 24528
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I AM LEAVING TUESDAY FOR L.A. VIA CAR... One day there and to Baja
Mexico to work through Saturday craque of dawn when I head up to
LA to the Collector's Conference Sat/Sun ... then Monday to rest
and r in LA heading home to finish some work on Tuesday... by
then I got to get this sucker running... IF I CAN FIND SOME TIME
WILL try to get into a repair place locally for a fix while I am
gone... same with VCR and a few other things around here!!! Argh...
Thanks muchooooo....
Msg #24528 Dated 6:40:26 11-04-91 24516 <--> 24534
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Was that one of the early "super saver flight plans?"
Msg #24529 Dated 6:40:30 11-04-91 24518 <--> 24531
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Is that the glass with a triangular mirror system? I had one of
those a long time ago... VERY DECEPTIVE.
middle for a SIMILAR effect...
Msg #24530 Dated 6:40:46 11-04-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MSG
Msg 24518 has missingline. Line 3 shoulda sed.
You could use an OKITO GLASS which had a glass tube in the
.
sorry 'bout dat!
Msg #24531 Dated 7:19:11 11-04-91 24504 <--> 24532
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
David...what is the name of the goldfish production...it sounds very
interesting.......by the way the program seems to be running great.
Msg #24532 Dated 7:20:48 11-04-91 24504 <--> 24549
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
David...what is the name of the goldfish production...it sounds very
interesting.......by the way the program seems to be running great.
Msg #24533 Dated 7:20:54 11-04-91 24507 <--> 24550
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Yes, and they sell another version called belch that you need 20
minutes later. Seriously what is Squelch and I would still like
to find a version of Squash. Pete, have one 4 sale?
Msg #24534 Dated 7:21:03 11-04-91 24527 <--> 24536
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
What are the particulars of the Collector's Conference. Where,
cost, when etc. Maybe I'll come down. Need some things for
my trip...also Melinda is looking for some unique signature pieces.
Msg #24535 Dated 7:21:10 11-04-91 -> 24553
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: PAUL FOX LIQUID VANISH
Anyone got one for sale? Am interested.
Msg #24536 Dated 8:46:26 11-04-91 24480 <--> 24537
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Max wasn't trying to supply fears to Nathan, he was just making an
aside re: the photo after Nathan commented "Mr. Waters, I like your
book. The cover is cool!" and Mr. Maven asked him what he thought of
the photo in question.
Msg #24537 Dated 8:46:30 11-04-91 24494 <--> 24541
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Woah Pete. Sounds correctable to me. My best advice would be to give
the Frog a call and if it's really tough fix get him to make the run
from Arleta to Walnut Creek. He needs to see your library and prop
collection anyway. He did wonders with my system.
Msg #24540 Dated 9:23:55 11-04-91 24513 <--> 24594
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
60 miles is well within the Los Angeles area. Basically, the plan
would be for you to communicate with everyone who might want to go to
the Copperfield show, figure out which day and time would be best, keep
track of the number of people, and place the reservations.
The show will be at the Wiltern Theater between November 29th and
December 8th. I don't have the showtimes yet - maybe the theater
(213-388-1400) does. My thinking is that this would be a good one for
either a matinee or an early show on a weekend - most frequently, David
does early shows at 5:30 and on Sundays at 1:00 and 4:30 - and
interested MAGIC! members and their families could attend (this could
be MAGIC!'s first family event). And if you could locate a reasonably
priced eatery nearby, those who are interested could go there
afterwards.
You willing?
Msg #24541 Dated 9:37:16 11-04-91 24516 <--> 24542
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Hmmm... Seems to me that it would have been easier to buy a bus ticket.
Msg #24542 Dated 9:39:13 11-04-91 24517 <--> 24543
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Blap! I gotta get this chair fixed! Guess I'd better install a seat
belt.
Msg #24543 Dated 9:40:43 11-04-91 24525 <--> 24544
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
If it is battery/CMOS it should be an easy fix. Alternative is BRING
IT HERE on Tuesday and pick it up on your way back. If you decide to
do that, see if you can find any of the original "setup" diskettes that
might have come with it. Also any original hardware manual you might
have gotten. I don't know what kind of ROMS are in it, so I can't be
certain that I've got the right software tools, but we should be able
to do something.
Msg #24544 Dated 9:46:56 11-04-91 24536 <--> 24551
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Nathan throughly enjoyed the evening. I just wish I had a tape of his
reaction when you handed him the custom sized Conjurors Woodworks wand.
Msg #24547 Dated 10:22:22 11-04-91 -> 24571
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ALL
Re: MAGICK
anyone interested in a BBS that caters to "MAGICK" the sysop has over
120meg files on the occult, wicca and other "white magic" if you want
the number, please leave me e-mail as the contents are not for
everybody, and to access the private files, one must posese an
aditional password.
Msg #24548 Dated 11:23:52 11-04-91 -> 24557
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: CORRECTING TABMAN
I need to post this info again since the phone company changed my
FAX number and didn't tell me.
.
Tabman
760 Flatwoods Road
Lebanon, Tennessee 37087
VOX (615) 449-7385
FAX (615) 444-0171
.
Note;
Everything is the same but the FAX NUMBER IS NEW.
.
Thanks.
tabman
Msg #24549 Dated 12:26:15 11-04-91 24531 <--> 24558
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Geno, the goldfish trick is advertised around...might be from Norm
Neilsen, not sure. But when I saw it did not think a lot of it.
Msg #24550 Dated 12:26:19 11-04-91 24533 <--> 24574
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Squash you can make. Get a shot glass. Find a rubber ball that is
not TOO HARD, run a wire through it with a loop (small) at one end
so you can attach a rubber pull to it. You show glass of liquor
squeeze between your hands (put ball in glass let pull go) and it
is GONE... It should hang down behind you in middle at rear of
coat. There is a nice handling where you look for it behind one
knee and find it behind the other with other hand. Stealing the
glass with the right as the left is reaching for "nothing" behind
the left knee. If you can zip into San Fran (got to check the sked)
I can show you the good version and handling.
Msg #24551 Dated 12:26:30 11-04-91 24534 <--> 24552
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I talked to Melinda briefly. She needs to get in touch with Joe
Stevens about the Yogano stuff. It is killer. Joe is at (316)
683-9582. Lissen, if I can be of help as "advisor" I can work up
some SIGNATURE material... Just need a few bucks, place to stay,
etc. to come down...
Msg #24552 Dated 12:26:37 11-04-91 24534 <--> 24554
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Collector's Conf. is, I understand, SOLD OUT. Is mostly talk on old
subjects, etc. It is in LA this coming weekend. John Gaughan, Ricky
Jay and Jim Steinmeyer in charge. I hope to stop in for few hours
on way back from Mexico. I leave Tuesday crack of dawn (driving) and
get back into LA Sat. afternoon.
Msg #24553 Dated 12:26:43 11-04-91 24535 <--> 24576
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: PAUL FOX LIQUID VANISH
Geno... it IS NOT A VANISH... also in Patrick's Pages of Magic, he
has a simplerversion. It is a production of beer in an empty can.
Danny Dew, in Phoenix has the only ones left that I know of.
Msg #24554 Dated 12:26:48 11-04-91 24537 <--> 24556
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Too late dude-man... is in the shop. Frog didn't have any clue on
the Ameche... TSK...
Msg #24556 Dated 12:26:58 11-04-91 24543 <--> 24562
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I ain't got no manuals... tsk, and if you read stuff I just sent
it be in the shop up here. Am going to hope is an easy fix. The guy
marked $60 Est. on the work order. Will know later today. Rgh. (C)
Msg #24557 Dated 12:27:03 11-04-91 24548 <--> 24566
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CORRECTING TABMAN
YO TABOO... there is a broken wand (your mark) in the Guest room.
Is this an OMEN? A sign? An Rgh? yar...
.
Got so many balls in the air right now I hope the ones I drop are
not mine! Good to have yerass back online and hammerin on the
keys...
.
Nagel in town, but if he don't call and get together with me tonite
it is all over. Hittin' the road at craque of dawn manana and gone
forever!!! Rgh. (C)
.
Boy if'n it twerent for the laptop I would be a dead dude, dude.
Are you clued? AMF
Msg #24558 Dated 16:35:59 11-04-91 24515 <--> 24560
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Yes, I just assumed that. Someone else may not have realized that.
Thanks for the public reminder.
David (the other one)
Msg #24559 Dated 16:36:03 11-04-91 -> 24584
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: BORGE!
As I promised, here is a reminder that Victor Borge will be in
Vegas one night only, Nov 18 at 8:00 pm. Tickets range from $25.00
to $125.00 The high price tickets include a Champagne reception for
Victor afterwards. For more info call (702) 739-3838
Anyone interested? Gimme a call.
Msg #24560 Dated 16:36:10 11-04-91 24531 <--> 24573
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Geno, Glad the programs work! I noticed a small glitch the first
time you used it, but you quickly got over it.
I'll look up the name of the goldfish trick tonight. I saw it
demo'ed at Darwin's one night by Frank Herman. It's basically a
round bowl (four inch globe shape) full of water. Cover it with a
silk, when uncovered, a fish is swimming in the water. As you might
have already guessed, it's based on the mirror glass principle, but
using a piece of flexible mylar cut to fit the contours of the
bowl. There is a thread that extends outside the bowl. Grabbing
that through the cloth allows you to pull the mirror out of the
bowl as it's uncovered. The reflection of the curved mylar
camouflages quite nicely inside the water.
By the way, I have a video I need to get to you. I've tried
calling, but can't seem to catch you. If you like, I can leave it
backstage with Bonnie, or I'll just hold it until we can get
together again. Thanks for letting me see it.
David (the other one)
Msg #24562 Dated 16:36:34 11-04-91 24542 <--> 24563
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Talk about chairs, John Ferrentino was on some comedy club show
last night. as he sat on his swivel stool, the seat dropped about
six inches. After an appropriately timed pause, he got up to show
that the seat had dropped, the column did NOT. It was protruding
quite menacingly from the center of the seat cushion. Got quite a
reaction! He then continued with a variation of Collector's
Workshop's new buzz saw "Power Chopper". (at only $1935.00
everyone should have one!)
By the way, I just got my CES badge in the mail. This might be a
good time to take roll. Maybe we'll have enough people here for
another Magic! Nite Out.
David (the other one)
Msg #24563 Dated 17:05:55 11-04-91 24562 <--> 24575
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
The stool is a markted item from Unique Studio in London (no longer in
business and I understand Ron MacMillan has the rights). And Harry
Anderson did the Power Chopper other night on Carson show.
Msg #24564 Dated 17:06:50 11-04-91 -> 24585
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: HONORABLE SYSOP
I shall never again, question the accuracy of any statement, opionion
or subtle mention by our "BELOVED AND WONDERFUL" SYSOP... Oh, seer of
things wonderful, Guru of all Technoids, Master of Your Universe...
Yes, Indeed it be a battery and lost CMOS.... ARGH WILL NEVER DARKEN
MY LIPS OR KEYBOARD IN YOUR HONOR AGAIN... OH GREAT ONE...
.
However, am using Laptop as got terrible glithcy garbage on screen when
trying to use El Modem... mayhaps I has put the wire in loose? I will
check soon and letcha know bro....
.
Peach and money and fun, and magic be with you... Oh, the dude fixed it
in same day and I is up and running ('cept for screen noise). howza
bowza wowza, etc.
Msg #24566 Dated 17:14:52 11-04-91 24557 <--> 24569
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CORRECTING TABMAN
You can fix the wand (it is not an OMEN) or trash it as you desire.
It was one of the last wand-o experiment I did B4 coming west for
the visit. I gave them all away except for that one and I think it
got broken in Vegas so it wasn't sturdy enuff and flunked the test.
It is a pretty one though, if I remember.
I got my flight booked for December in SLC today so will see you thar
too.
Msg #24569 Dated 19:16:06 11-04-91 24566 <--> 24602
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CORRECTING TABMAN
O, no time now, packing and gettin ready to roll... computer not 100%
modem controller off and some memory errors... sounds like my own
brane. Later dude
Msg #24571 Dated 21:47:53 11-04-91 24547 <--> 24572
From: GENO MUNARI
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
I would be interested in signing on. Thanks
Msg #24572 Dated 21:48:15 11-04-91 24547 <--> 24578
From: GENO MUNARI
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
I would be interested in signing on. Thanks
Msg #24573 Dated 21:48:20 11-04-91 24549 <--> 24577
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Very fishy....
Msg #24574 Dated 21:48:25 11-04-91 24550 <--> 24589
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
Would love to visit SF, and the Molinari Salami Factory.
Msg #24575 Dated 21:48:30 11-04-91 24551 <--> 24583
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Will call you.
Msg #24576 Dated 21:48:35 11-04-91 24553 <--> 24590
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PAUL FOX LIQUID VANISH
Do you have Danny Dew's number, and is he feeling up to a tel call?
Msg #24577 Dated 21:48:40 11-04-91 24560 <--> 24580
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Ok, just drop by the Sahara. Thanks for the info.
Msg #24580 Dated 22:03:02 11-04-91 24456 <--> 24671
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
I feature the Milk to Silk in my Wine Act.
It is an outstanding piece of magic that fits my
criterion for material to include in my act. It is
extremely visual and, when done properly, a real
miracle.
In my opinion, performing it without a mirror
glass diminishes the effect greatly. It can be
performed as a two part trick. Pour the milk, wave
the hand and flip the glass over ( Applause). Turn
the glass up again and produce silk. (Second
applause).
I have worked it out without a mirror glass, in
a metal goblet, but added smoke to the illusion.
The mystery that was lost with a non transparent
glass was made up for by the smoke effect. The
wine seemed to turn into the silk by way of smoke.
The secret is to pull the silk from the glass
slowly and time it so the silk is all the way out
just as the smoke ends.
Now I combine the mirror glass and the smoke
effect.
More hints: Ask yourself where did the milk come
from in the first place and where does the silk go
afterwards. Perhaps you could produce the glass of
milk, do the milk to silk, and then turn the silk
back into milk.
I would ( respectfully) like to ask that you give
this effect much thought and practice before
performance. I feature it in my act and so does
Jade (propably many more that I don't know of).It
is truly a miracle if done properly and should be
treated with great respect.
Best wishes.
Steve Kucera, the Wine Country Wizard.
P.S. I do it with wine.
Msg #24581 Dated 22:04:08 11-04-91 23624 <-
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HALLOWEEN PARTY
In my comedy club work I have had to deal with many drunk
audiences. They are terrible and my advice would be not to
work those types of crowds. Of course I am refering to a
drunk crowd as opposed to a crowd that is drinking.
It sounds like you have been gaining a bit of new
experience since I last checked in, and that is what is
called for in the situation you described. Of course the
only way to obtain said experience is to endure the
nightmare of the crowd you had.
I have worked for a most types of audiences and have
learned which type my act works best for. Now that I have
defined my "market" it is up to me to get the gigs that
make me look best. I have turned away more performances
than I have accepted this year, and that is part of a long
term plan. I have purposely distanced myself from birthday
or any childrens performance, outdoor fairs and festivals
which used to be a big market for me, and virtually every
other show where I cant control the seating, lighting and
sound.
It may seem a bit egotistical to have such exacting
standards but I feel its the right choice. Magic is an art
and I have to perform in a situation where I can do my
best work, otherwise my act suffers as does the audience
and ultimately the client. No exposure is better than
bad exposure.
So, though there is no single answer to your dilemna,
one alternative is to be more selective about your
engagements. Know as much as possible about your audience
in advance, as well as the type of event. And don't be
afraid to ASK, for a seated audience, controlled lighting
and more. The client will get more bang for the buck by
going the little extra step.
Best of luck,
Steve Kucera, the Wine Country Wizard.
707 578 8920. Call anytime.
Msg #24582 Dated 22:04:58 11-04-91 -> 24591
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: ALL
Re: CONTESTS
Greetings from the Wine Country.
I haven't been checking in lately as I have been swamped
with work, school and of course the Wine Act.
Which leads to point of this message. I am at the point
in my career where I feel confident about the act.
Confident enough to compete at the PCAM in Monterey this
year.
My major disadvantage is that I have never been to a
magic competition and have no idea what they are like.
I would be grateful if someone with experience in this
area of the arts would help fill me in on some things.
What is good length for an act? I was planning on
running 8 - 10 minutes. Too long?
What are the judges looking for? Is competition a
worthwhile way to get subsequent bookings or are they
just ego gratification.
Will I be able to supply my own technicians or do I have
to rely on the organizers' techs?
Any thoughts on stage competition in general and the
PCAM contest would be greatly appreciated. THanks.
Msg #24583 Dated 22:02:13 11-04-91 24562 <--> 24586
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Er, just like every year, I should have registered for CES MONTHS ago!
The paperwork is on my desk - someplace. I will probably stop in to
see it this year, don't know the schedule yet.
As to the Power Chopper, I'm glad to hear that Ferrentino did a
variation on the patter (but presumably with the genuine Collector's
Workshop prop) since the factory proposed rationale and patter seem
downright silly to me.
Msg #24584 Dated 22:07:30 11-04-91 24559 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: BORGE!
Wow! The Borge evening sounds great! Wish I could be there, but nary
a chance right now. Thanks for the post.
Msg #24585 Dated 22:09:13 11-04-91 24564 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HONORABLE SYSOP
Thanks for the confirmation, Pete. And, as we discussed on the Ameche,
if you tool it past for a checkout, I'll be happy to try to run a
diagnostic or two on the other problems your computer seems to be
having.
Msg #24586 Dated 22:10:29 11-04-91 24562 <--> 24592
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I believe Howard Bamman was the first to do the dropping stool gag.
McComb devised the most practical version.
Msg #24589 Dated 23:27:44 11-04-91 24574 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: ABBOTTS
OK GENO... I AM HERE FROM 30 NOVEMBER TO 5 DECEMBER... AT YOUR
COMMAND!!! LET ME KNOW... BACK HERE IN ONE WEEK. NO PHONES IN
MEXICO...
Msg #24590 Dated 23:27:49 11-04-91 24576 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: PAUL FOX LIQUID VANISH
Will look for his no. Altho he said he would send me a Fox Beer
Trick when he could do so... (for you). So wait.
Msg #24591 Dated 23:27:53 11-04-91 24582 <--> 24599
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: CONTESTS
LESS IS MORE. 7-8 MINUTES. A STRONG ACT IS A STRONG ACT... IF YOU
CAN HAVE YOUR OWN TECH HELP GREAT... THAT WAY YOU DON'T WORRY IF
SOME ROOKIE BLOWS A CUE! Sorry so rushed, got to get going on a
long trip. Re send a message to me on this in 2 weeks. Good luck.
Msg #24592 Dated 23:27:59 11-04-91 24586 <--> 24595
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
I think if you check Harry Stanley had a Yimka dropping stool first.
Msg #24594 Dated 23:39:00 11-04-91 24526 <--> 24596
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
And Walnut Creek, and Lebanon, etc etc.
This is a wonderful age we live in.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24595 Dated 23:39:04 11-04-91 24527 <--> 24598
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Pete,
Let me know if you wanna "do lunch." I can drive into town.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24596 Dated 23:39:09 11-04-91 24540 <--> 24631
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Sure, I'll give it a try.
Anyone who wants to go, leave a message here, or call at (714)
788-5057. Let me know which date would be best. I'll call
tomorrow (Tuesday) and get ticket information.
I would greatly appreciate hearing which date and time you wish
to go.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24597 Dated 23:39:14 11-04-91 24547 <--> 24644
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
Scott,
I have a friend who is into that sort of thing. I would like to
be able to pass along the number.
Thanks.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24598 Dated 0:13:14 11-05-91 24541 <--> 24615
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
But then I wouldn't have learned all that neat stuff in the USAF...
Msg #24599 Dated 0:19:42 11-05-91 24582 <--> 24651
From: T A WATERS
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: CONTESTS
I am just curious -- what is your reason for entering the contest? What
benefit do you envision from it?
Msg #24602 Dated 8:11:19 11-05-91 24569 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CORRECTING TABMAN
I hear you re: brain. You is off to Baja, I know, so have a great
time. Talk at you later!!
Msg #24604 Dated 8:57:29 11-05-91 24053 <--> 24605
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
And relatives can be pricey things, as well.
'W.
Msg #24605 Dated 8:58:21 11-05-91 24071 <--> 24606
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
By "Japanese truck drivers"...do you mean truck drivers of Japanese
ancestry...or...drivers of trucks which were made in Japan?
(The latter group would, unfortunately, be large enough to be
uncountable...although they might consider themselves to be
unaccountable.)
'W.
Msg #24606 Dated 9:03:09 11-05-91 24138 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: RESTAURANTS
I'd recommend another nearby restaurant, but the Board of Health
recently closed it down.
'W.
Msg #24607 Dated 9:08:04 11-05-91 24391 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: PSYCHIC HALLOWEEN
Calloway is surely a living classic.
Another octagenarian performer who is still active and recently
was performing in L.A. is Imogene Coca. Those of you who missed "Sid
Caesar and Imogene Coca---Together Again" are to be pitied.
Lee Delano performed a Color Changing Bag routine but most of the magic
was the magic of two legendary giants of comedy performing the material
that gave them their well-deserved reputations.
The standing ovation was genuinely emotional and unanimous. It was a
performance I will never forget.
'Wayne.
Msg #24608 Dated 9:59:23 11-05-91 23545 <--> 24610
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
It might have been the third straight day of calling in on 10/25 but
I got busy after that and it has been almost a week since I have been
able to get on here.
Msg #24610 Dated 9:59:59 11-05-91 23548 <--> 24618
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I can't say that I disagree completely with the French. At the price
it went for that is a pretty big pig in a poke, particularly if a
few choice items had been removed or damaged. I would have thought
that the catalogue from the original sale would have been kept
updated and would have been available.
Msg #24611 Dated 10:00:14 11-05-91 23549 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Sure! Not only did they NOT have videocameras at the time (late '60s
), but I would have gone out the door horizontally if I had pulled
out a camera of any sort.
Msg #24612 Dated 10:00:24 11-05-91 23550 <--> 24613
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
They just don't have magic conventions like the old days...huh! I
mean where would we put a bone dealer today? Too bad he didn't have
any sheep ankle bones for you.
Msg #24613 Dated 10:00:35 11-05-91 23551 <--> 24623
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Good thing they played dead. If you rolled the sheep and two ones
came up, they might run away if somebody yelled "snake eyes"!
Msg #24614 Dated 10:00:43 11-05-91 23552 <--> 24846
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASINO
I would love to read your movie treatment of "Last Chance Truck Stop
Casino and Country Club".
Msg #24615 Dated 9:54:13 11-05-91 24598 <--> 24954
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
True. I have always viewed life as a series of cumulative experiences
enhancing the present moment. Even events which, at the time, seemed
to be negative ones may often later become valuable. As a child of the
Viet Nam era, I had a complex love-hate relationship with the military
and while I never went out of my way to avoid it, I didn't volunteer
for it either. I do like chipped beef on toast though.
Msg #24618 Dated 10:01:46 11-05-91 23655 <--> 24632
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Pogo and the other denizens of the swamp aside, considerable
advantage could be realized if one Sysop could direct his corp of
"on-the-spots" to report on specific spots that might be near them!
Msg #24619 Dated 10:01:56 11-05-91 23656 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIDEOS
I guess some of us will just have to wait a bit before we sample
life at the fast Bauds...
Msg #24623 Dated 10:03:00 11-05-91 23659 <--> 24633
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
The plastic skulls with the tops that lift off also make excellent
candy dishes or repositories for odds and ends.
Msg #24625 Dated 10:03:27 11-05-91 23661 <--> 24627
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Are you sure it wasn't an Irish Pub? They really know how to roll
their R's with or without high heels.
Msg #24626 Dated 10:03:35 11-05-91 23745 <--> 24649
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Surprised that you guys seem surprised at the decoy play in the
series...the catcher also often fakes catching of the ball at the
plate as running rounds third. What I want to know was what the hell
Smith was doing not looking to the third base coach who should have
been waving him on to third. No runner should ever be on his own in
a situation like that...the responsibly is the third base coach and
THAT is where Smith should have been looking. Didn't you used to
play baseball Pete?
Msg #24627 Dated 10:03:56 11-05-91 23751 <--> 24629
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
What do you have in mind to do "for the Goils?" Old or new.
Msg #24629 Dated 10:04:23 11-05-91 23784 <--> 24637
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
I didn't mean to say I never do anything for magicians, but rather
that I don't direct my thinking that way as I did at one time. You
shouldn't avoid performing for magicians, most of them react pretty
much like laymen anyhow. I will admit that performing anything for
Nathan would make me very nervous.
Msg #24631 Dated 10:05:57 11-05-91 24596 <--> 24641
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
How about the matinee on Sunday, December 1st, if there is one? I
would have somewhere between 3 to 5 people. And thanks for taking on
the coordinating!
Msg #24632 Dated 10:09:43 11-05-91 24618 <--> 25196
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I find it hard to direct an all volunteer army of MAGIC! members. I
can encourage, ask, wheedle, cajole, beg, and plead, but I can hardly
order members to do things! Perhaps we can begin to consider an
incentive program, under which convention reports, hot news items, etc.
could result in subscription extensions.
Msg #24633 Dated 10:15:10 11-05-91 24623 <--> 25197
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
The human skulls, still connected to, and operated by, their original
owners also make excellent repositiories for odds and ends.
Msg #24637 Dated 10:30:50 11-05-91 24625 <--> 24638
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Yeah, I went back and checked my source - it was an Irish pub. Srry
for the mixup.
Msg #24638 Dated 10:32:33 11-05-91 24629 <--> 25200
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
I think I completely understand your position about performing for
magicians. As to performing for Nathan, he's a pretty good audience,
although he's beginning to develop a rather sophisticated magical
palate.
Msg #24640 Dated 12:03:19 11-05-91 -> 24642
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
New issue of Time Mag has a blurb on Copperfield and his purchase of
the collection, although no mention of the cost.
Msg #24641 Dated 13:36:22 11-05-91 24631 <--> 24643
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David,
There is indeed a Dec. 1st Sunday Matinee. There are two shows
on Sunday. One at 1:30 and another at 5:00.
Ticket prices are as follows:
$31.50
$25.50
$23.50
If we get more than 20 people, we can get a group rate of 10% off
that.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I would prefer paying
the extra eight bucks to get good seats. I've never been to the
Wiltern theatre, and don't know what their seating is like.
The earlier we get our numbers together, the better the
arrangements will be, so everyone PLEASE hurry to let me know
what you want.
Let's shoot for 1:30, December 1st, and if anyone has a problem
with that, we can change it. I hope that that will avoid the "I
don't know, what do YOU want to do" syndrome.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24642 Dated 13:51:04 11-05-91 24640 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Thanks for the info, Marvin. Glad to hear that Copperfield is getting
such publicity. Geez, you and I buy a couple of books or posters and
hardly anyone notices.
Msg #24643 Dated 13:53:48 11-05-91 24641 <--> 24672
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I don't have a seating chart for the Wiltern - if anyone has one, maybe
they can call me (818) 899-8812 during normal Pacific business hours
and we'll make arrangements to fax it - then I can post it on here.
Otherwise, I agree on December 1st at 1:30, best seats. Let's see who
else is interested. Meanwhile, I'll confirm the number of seats my
party would need and let you know.
Msg #24644 Dated 16:07:22 11-05-91 24571 <--> 24645
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGICK
area code:510-430-2865 be prepaired for some wierd stuff!
Msg #24646 Dated 16:09:31 11-05-91 24597 <--> 24647
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGICK
area code 510-430-2865 be prepaired for some "adult" stuff there too!!
Msg #24648 Dated 16:45:14 11-05-91 24644 <--> 24656
From: GENO MUNARI
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
You are 110% correct. Didn't ypu play sandlot Pete?
Msg #24649 Dated 16:45:43 11-05-91 24626 <--> 24849
From: GENO MUNARI
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
You are 110% correct. Didn't ypu play sandlot Pete?
Msg #24650 Dated 16:45:48 11-05-91
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD COLLECTION
Rumor has it, as do rumors go, that he may open a research library
in Las Vegas....give you an excuse to visit.
Msg #24651 Dated 17:48:13 11-05-91 24599 <--> 24675
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
As someone who was isolated from the magic fraternity
as a young man, Genii magazine was my sole source of
convention news etc.. Since then I have been curious
about magic competitions. I decided to refrain from
entering one until I felt my act was good enough to do
well, even win an award.
I am not sure what I envision as the result of
entering and/or doing well in the competition. I
see it mainly as a way to introduce my body of work to
a ( hopefully) knowledgeable group of people for
criticism. I also feel that a good showing in a
competition could be benificial to my professional
career. A poor showing would show me that I should
keep working on it.
Maybe I am wasting my time by even considering
competing. The real point of my question was to get
the opinion of people like you. Is competing
worthwhile or just a wasted excercise. It seems to me
that some performers do quite well after appearing in
a competition.
Msg #24653 Dated 21:00:45 11-05-91
From: GARY PLANTS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ATLANTA HARVEST
Pete, just back from the Atlanta Harvest. Had a good time visiting JC
Doty, Dan Garrett, James Lewis, and others. Was disappointed that Jon
Racherbaumer cancelled out the night before the convention started.
Have never seen Jon work and was anxious to check him out. James Lewis
was excellent as always and everyone was very happy with Jon R. fill
in, Mr. Michael Finney. What a guy!!!! Also enjoyed Vito Lupos show
and lecture. Just bought the Carney book. Looks real good. Later.
Msg #24656 Dated 21:28:04 11-05-91 24648 <--> 24673
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGICK
whats sandlot Pete?
Msg #24658 Dated 21:31:22 11-05-91 -> 24660
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: I'M BACK
Well, two weeks has passed without a remark from these quarters, and
there's a good reason. I was on my honeymoon. And brining along a
laptop and modem and placing transatlantic calls to MAGIC! was
thoroughly ix-nayed by my beloved.
I won't even try to catch up on all the messages that have passed
through here. But to those who were feeling extremely sad and lost
that I was not present in the message base, the good news is that I'm
back! Fear boredom no more! Once again I take up the gauntlet in the
name of all that is good, fair, and right in the world.
Msg #24659 Dated 22:21:36 11-05-91 -> 24665
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
All right! This is it! A trip to see David Copperfield at the
Wiltern theatre in Los Angeles.
Current plans are for December 1st, at 1:30. These are not set
in stone, and if you have a problem HURRY and tell us.
We are looking at getting the best seats available which will
cost $31.50/ticket unless we get more than 20 people. If we get
more than 20 people, it will reduce that cost by 10%. ($28.35
plus any additional taxes or fees.)
I am not very familiar with the Los Angeles area, so any
suggestions for a reasonably priced restaraunt around the theatre
(Western and Wilshire) are appreciated. Ideally we will all go
out for something afterwards.
DON'T MISS THIS!!!!! Everyone who has seen this show has RAVED
about it. The earlier everyone makes commitments, the better the
seating will be.
David, I have a fax machine so if you get a copy of the seating
chart, you are welcome to send it, or you can put it on the
computer as a GIF file. I don't have two phone lines, so will
need advance notice on the fax.
Here is your chance to ENJOY!
Kevin
Msg #24660 Dated 22:22:43 11-05-91 24658 <--> 24663
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK
WELCOME BACK!
Congratulations once again. I hope it went as well as you hoped it
would.
May you live as long as you want, and love as long as you live!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24663 Dated 23:22:15 11-05-91 24660 <--> 24676
From: EVAN KATZ
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Thanks! Everything went well!
Msg #24665 Dated 23:27:28 11-05-91 24659 <--> 24677
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Thanks, Kevin, for agreeing to chair the committee on this one.
EVERYONE ELSE - If you want to join a MAGIC! FAMILY EXPEDITION to see
DAVID COPPERFIELD, please let Kevin know QUICKLY so that he can place
the reservations. You've seen Pete's, Geno's, and my reports on the
show in Vegas and I don't think you are going to want to miss this!!!
Msg #24670 Dated 23:51:31 11-05-91 24413 <--> 24703
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HERO
If it is a Hero 1, I would be interested. Find out how much he wants.
G
Msg #24671 Dated 23:54:23 11-05-91 24466 <--> 24825
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
The Fukai glass is clever, but the angle of light has to be just righ
t. The glass has a mirror surface that divides the glass in half. The
glass has faceted surface so that light is somewhat diffused. You
pour the milk (any colored liquid to match the color of the silk) and
turn the glass 180 degress as you dump the 'milk' now as a silk into
your out-stretched hand. If you are working in a stage setting with
bright spots - you have to very very careful or you will get a terrif
ic FLASH of light as the spot bounces off the mirrored surface.
Msg #24672 Dated 23:54:29 11-05-91 24540 <--> 24674
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
There is a large Mexican Restr 1 block east of the main Wiltern entrn
ce, not too expensive and quite large.
Msg #24673 Dated 23:54:31 11-05-91 24547 <--> 24681
From: JERRY BURTON
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
I am interested in the MAGICK BBS, where is it located ??
Msg #24674 Dated 23:54:33 11-05-91 24643 <--> 24682
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Check the phone book. They have seating layouts of most theatres.
Msg #24675 Dated 23:54:35 11-05-91 24651 <--> 24678
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: CONTESTS
We had a rather heated debate concerning contests after IBM in July.
Based upon that discussion, I'm not sure T A is the 'best' person to
ask on whether contests are worthwhile or not.
.
I had thought about entering a contest at one time, but after hearing
the pros & cons on the subject and seeing what it takes to win, I've
decided its not worth the effort, for ME that is - perhaps it would b
e good for you. You are the only one who can decide.
Try some regional or local contests and see how you fare, nothing you
do to improve your technique or performance skills is ever a wasted
exercise.
Msg #24676 Dated 23:54:43 11-05-91 24660 <--> 24680
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Hi Evan, were you gone ? Seems your clone has been logging in and
keeping everyone in the normal uproar, that you generally create.
.
We didn't realize it wasn't YOU. Maybe you should apologize !
Msg #24677 Dated 23:54:47 11-05-91 24659 <--> 24686
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Sign me up. There is a Mexican restr 1 block west of the Wiltern,
that is resonably priced and close.
Msg #24678 Dated 0:37:20 11-06-91 24651 <--> 24721
From: T A WATERS
To: STEVE KUCERA (X)
Re: CONTESTS
It may be interesting as an experience, but I cannot caution you too
strongly about taking the reactions of a magic convention audience and
/or judges with a grain or pillar of salt. If Johnny Thompson talks,
listen -- but if Joe the insurance salesman, who may be great at
selling insurance, starts telling you about your staging -- well, don't
necessarily take it to heart.
Conventions can be useful in some cases as a showcase situation --
and if you win a trophy it always sounds good in your publicity
material. It is probably worth doing just for the experience of it,
but I wouldn't place too much importance on it if I were you.
Msg #24680 Dated 8:27:30 11-06-91 24658 <--> 24684
From: GENO MUNARI
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK
We thought you were recouperating......good to hear from you.
Msg #24681 Dated 8:27:35 11-06-91 24656 <--> 24688
From: GENO MUNARI
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
Sandlot baseball...refering to Pete not playing sandlot.
Msg #24682 Dated 8:44:18 11-06-91 24672 <--> 24704
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
OK, thanks for the Mex. rest. info. KEVIN- you got that?
Msg #24683 Dated 8:49:00 11-06-91 -> 24695
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE BIRO
Tab -
A new version of The BIro - possibly a variant known as "The Biro From
Hell" - just roared past Techy Heaven at about 300 miles an hour! Yelled
"Tell Tab Hellooooooooo!"
We GOTTA get this guy a cellular modem!
Msg #24684 Dated 9:45:08 11-06-91 24676 <--> 24687
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: I'M BACK
But Jerry -- how do you know that I'M not the clone?
Msg #24686 Dated 9:49:24 11-06-91 24659 <--> 24693
From: EVAN KATZ
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I'm in. Will let you know pronto whether it's to be one or two
tickets.
Msg #24687 Dated 9:50:54 11-06-91 24680 <--> 24690
From: EVAN KATZ
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Well, I AM recouperating! Whether it's from the wedding, the
homeymoon, or other things, I'm still not sure!
Msg #24688 Dated 9:59:43 11-06-91 24673 <--> 24689
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGICK
it is located here in san leandro (which is just so. of oakland)
the phone # is 510-430-2865
Msg #24689 Dated 10:01:10 11-06-91 24681 <--> 24713
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGICK
HEY NOW, GENO!
.
I'm stumped, what does sandlot baseball have to do with
anything. Pete (biro?) does not play baseball? oh, allright. does he
play ice hockey, i often read some very funny Horse hockey from him.
many years ago, i used to go to rancho park, in W.L.A. to watch the
Magic Castle team play some very fine sandlot basball for charity. boy
those were the fun days of the club!
.
What kind of magic is your interest, I work at a restaurant 4
nites a week doing close-up stuff and twisting animals into balloons.
and the popular childrens party as well as the select adult (family)
shows. Moved away from the L.A. scene in 89 and its great to be a big
fish in a big pond, rather than a little fish in an even BIGGER pond.
i work quite abit up here and unfortunatly alot of the people i worked
for have been burnt out. (fire, not magic!)~ mostly the old
classics and some modern effects, not the same old tired stuff that we
see just too much of. anyway gotta boogie outta here
.
T T F N!
Msg #24690 Dated 10:59:27 11-06-91 24658 <--> 24696
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Welcome back. We know how the honeymoon was, but how was Florence?
Florence, the city, that is.
Msg #24693 Dated 11:15:51 11-06-91 24659 <--> 24705
From: MARVIN STERN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I am interested in going, but I am usually out of town on the
week-ends. Would be interested in going during the week, with other
members of MAGIC.
Let me know if anyone expresses an interest in a week night.
Thanks.
Msg #24695 Dated 12:47:24 11-06-91 24683 <--> 24699
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE BIRO
As you probably, Biro is one of my heros along with John Wayne, Tom
Jefferson, Benj Franklin, Andy Jackson and TA Waters. Am always glad
to hear from him. Was he driving the gold Jeep with the Goodyear
Racing decals on the windshield???
Msg #24696 Dated 15:15:44 11-06-91 24690 <--> 24698
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Florence was wunderbar. Italians tell me that Florentians are snobbish
and off-putting, but I found the real rough and tumble experience was
in Rome, where in the course of two hours (our entire stay in Rome), we
met a surly train station porter who sneered at all but dollars, a
homicidal taxi driver in fake Ray Ban's who pretended a lack of English
and an airport filled with barely adolescent Italian soldiers carryig
very real-looking Uzi machine pistols.
And, though you carefully avoided asking, the other Florence is well,
too. She wished we had brought her back more things.
Msg #24697 Dated 15:18:26 11-06-91
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: BOOK
Anyone know when "52 Lovers, Part II" is coming out? Or did it already
do so?
Msg #24698 Dated 15:37:04 11-06-91 24696 <--> 24711
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Know what you mean about the airport.
I was in the Rome airport a number of years ago, about a week after
terrorist blew up the TWA plane at the airport. Not a good feeling,
sitting there, and you are right. the guards look about 16, and those
Uzis look awful big.
My biggest worry then, was that you didn't know what would get them
to start shooting.
As I recall, you weren't going to Venice. Correct?
Msg #24699 Dated 16:02:49 11-06-91 24695 <--> 24709
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE BIRO
Well, the vehicle was moving awfully fast, so it was hard to see
exactly, but it appeared to be a gold Jeep. I didn't get a chance to
see the front, much less the Racing decals.
Msg #24700 Dated 16:35:27 11-06-91
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: RESPONSES FROM ME
I'm having a hard time entering any messages as my keyboard has gone`
squirrly on me. I've alredy backtracked to retype this about. 50
times. I'll be out of touch for while and I'll respond to any
messages as soon as I can. Thanks!
Msg #24703 Dated 18:01:20 11-06-91 24670 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HERO
Jerry,
I am forced to find out in a rather circuitous manner, but the
wheels are in motion. I'll let you know as soon as I know
anything.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24704 Dated 18:01:25 11-06-91 24674 <--> 24706
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I'll go by the library tomorrow, and see if I can get a seating
layout.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24705 Dated 18:01:30 11-06-91 24677 <--> 24707
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Jerry,
You are on my list. (No, not that one. The one of people for
Copperfield.)
How's Mexican sound to everyone else?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24706 Dated 18:01:34 11-06-91 24682 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Yup.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24707 Dated 18:01:38 11-06-91 24686 <--> 24708
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Great to have you along! Your on my list. Will post soon to let
everyone know where we stand.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24708 Dated 18:01:43 11-06-91 24693 <--> 24717
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Marvin,
You are the only one who has contacted me about going during the
week. I can't speak for anyone else, but I can't make it during
the middle of the week. Is there any way you can go on Sunday,
or is that out of the question? Do you want to try to organize a
second trip?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24709 Dated 18:01:48 11-06-91 24695 <--> 24850
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE BIRO
My god! You sound like a ... a... a Libertarian!
Listing Tom Jefferson and Ben Franklin as heroes. Didn't you
know they were ignorant savages. Why, they didn't even have T.V.
Enjoy!
Kevin
p.s. Welcome back! Great to see your notes again.
Msg #24711 Dated 19:19:06 11-06-91 24698 <--> 24712
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Did not go to Venice. Regretted it. But I'm so exhausted right now
I can't imagine having done ONE more thing... Never got used to the
time difference, and snt every night lying in bed staring at the
ceiling. By day 12, I was seeing things that weren't there. More than
usual!
Msg #24712 Dated 19:29:59 11-06-91 24687 <--> 24736
From: GENO MUNARI
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Good to have you back......By the way Evan, Bonnie says hello.
Msg #24713 Dated 19:30:04 11-06-91 24689 <--> 24731
From: GENO MUNARI
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
Thanks, Scott. I work mostly in Las Vegas, but do some travelling
around the country and abroad.....I like close-up, parlor stage, and
whatever. It seems to become a stronger interest every day. If I
had an elephant, I would probably try an effect with it. I really
love magic and the fun it brings people.
I especially like effects that apparently involve no apparatus, which
there are seemingly hundreds to choose from.
I will be going to Japan in a week and working on some intersting
visual magic. I hope to give a daily live report from there. It
should be fun.....
By the way, what about the other BBS you were referring to. Can
we sign on?
Thanks
Geno Munari
Msg #24715 Dated 19:30:32 11-06-91 -> 24747
From: GENO MUNARI
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SUZANNE SAXE
Evan, by chance do you know Suzanne Saxe, she was here while I was
reading my messages. She has a relative in Sherman Oaks, and
believes she may have met you.
Msg #24716 Dated 19:30:41 11-06-91 -> 24718
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: HELLO
You forgot to show me that great card effect. I won't forget to
remind you.
Msg #24717 Dated 19:50:01 11-06-91 24705 <--> 24732
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Sounds OK to me, but there may be some other good suggestions in that
area.
Msg #24718 Dated 19:52:51 11-06-91 24716 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HELLO
OK, I think I messaged it to you after you took me to lunch with Jimmy
Grippo in LV in Jan. But do remind me when you get back (I assume that
would be the best time) and I'll do it. Looking forward to your live
reports from Japan!
Msg #24721 Dated 21:26:56 11-06-91 24678 <-
From: STEVE KUCERA
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CONTESTS
Thanks for the tip T.A.
The only reason I ask about contests is that it is one
aspect of performing that I am unfamiliar with. The more
important projects I am involved in don't need to be
discussed on this board.
I make a habit of taking magicians opinions with a grain
of salt and I appreciate the reminder.
You pretty much summarized my feelings about competing.
Maybe a showcase, a bright spot on the resume and a new
experience. Beyond that I have no illusions about the
results.
Jerry mentioned that a heated debate took place on the
subject. Instead of fanning the flames I will download the
file, read the opinions and draw my won conclusions.
Thanks for your response.
Steve Kucera
the Wine Country Wizard
Msg #24727 Dated 22:47:33 11-06-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BOOK
Don't have Heineman's book in at the present time but will put a
notice in our computerized want list program for you. So if we find
it, I'll let you know. Having great success with "B'wave". I'm
getting reactions from laypeople exceeding what I'd expected. Women
seem to enjoy the game-of-imagination patter (and I enjoy their
enjoyment!).
Charlie
Msg #24728 Dated 22:48:04 11-06-91 -> 25203
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: INN EVENT
Bill, glad you liked the Inn Event review. I did have the most
wonderful time. I almost didn't go, due to cost, but am so glad I did.
Oh, I'm making plans for the IBM convention. I assume it will be
another great one!
Charlie
Msg #24729 Dated 22:48:31 11-06-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TAPES AND PHOTOS
So, Tabby, how goes the move? I hope everything is going well. What
do you think of the O'Dowd materials? Talk to you soon.
Charlie
Msg #24731 Dated 22:30:20 11-06-91 24713 <--> 24738
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGICK
Hey now, Geno!
.
Do you live in Las Vegas Then? i have a whole lot of family there!
How long you been there? do you remember FOXEYS DELI? If so that was my
uncles place and where i got my FIRST magic kit, it was the one put out
by mattel many years ago. and from there, i was a bergs and hollywood
magic customer befor it lost the costume shop and magic was only in the
back part of the store. also i was a coustomer of BURT Green, of corner
magic and was there when earl nelson was behind the counter, saw some
great stuff then too! the effects with apparently no apparatus are
great! often times i would walk up to a table at the restaurant i work
at and just "borrow" items from the guests and do the trick - dirty
work done of course! The best lesson i ever learned was from a lecture
done at the I.A.M. Club bact in the late 70's was "start dirty and end
clean"
at the I.A.M magic C
and it isd the most valuble tool ever! Many times it is sheer extacy
for me to step away from the props and let the coustomer go ga ga
trying to recreate what they just saw!.......still.....what about
sandlot baseball?
.
Back to original comment....where in vegas are you? got kids out there?
is there someone i could contact with my promo stuff as a balloon dude?
I am sure i can make the agent happy with my skills. if you leave me an
address, i will send you a postcard of the " GREAT I AM " las vegas is
a fun place and no telling what it will be like when MGM does its new
thing. by the way ...... do you know about the airplain that is fenced
in off (sahara) or another street but Near mcCarren? it was supposed to
be a restaurant but never took off (no pun intended).......the other
bbs i mentioned earlier ws one that refers to "magick" the sysop is a
wiccan, and he has about 120k worth of files about wicca and other
"white magic" philosophys. It also contains other adult material some
might find not to their liking. (depending on your
lifestyle)
to their
alternitave lifestyle and soundmaster. the number is 510-430-9594
it is best to use a handle and the system requires no validation.
so have fun and when in japan.....have a blast!
.
.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>------SCOTT ALCALAY---------->>>>>>>>>>>
Msg #24732 Dated 22:58:23 11-06-91 24659 <--> 24734
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
ther e are many fine restaurants in the los angeles area, but not
within the wiltern theator. the area is hazardus at night. try canters
on fairfax....24 hours bit pricy but the atmospher is only there!
Msg #24733 Dated 0:03:40 11-07-91 -> 24737
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: LEFT FIELD
Okay, it's time once again for (drum roll please) KEVIN'S
QUESTIONS FROM OUT OF LEFT FIELD!
I was reading "Impromptu Magic from the Magic Castle" and it
mentioned that J. B. Bobo lived in Texarcana. The book was
published in 1980, and I was curious if Mr. Bobo was still with
us, and if so, how one could see him perform.
Secondly, I was wondering about the field of Cruise ship
entertaining. One of the running messages titles when I first
started writing on this board was "Cruise ships and Tuxedos."
Now I've gotten to thinking that that might be a fun way to make
a living for a while. Comments? Suggestions? Words of Wisdom?
Warnings?
Thanks, we will now return you to your regularly scheduled
conversations.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24734 Dated 0:14:16 11-07-91 24717 <--> 24735
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David,
Frankly, I am not real wild about Mexican. However, this is not
a strong enough aversion to cause any problems if that is what
everyone else wants.
I assume we will all have transport so that a restaurant need not
be next door to the Wiltern.
Suggestions are more than welcome.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24735 Dated 0:14:22 11-07-91 24732 <--> 24742
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Scott,
I live in Riverside, and if one is interested in 24 hours, one
goes to Denny's.
However, since the show begins at 1:30, I assume we will be out
in time for a normal dinner hour dinner. I still don't know
where we are going, but I do appreciate the advice.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24736 Dated 0:18:45 11-07-91 24711 <--> 24748
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK
You spent every night of your honeymoon staring at the ceiling ???
Hmmmmm, I could make a few comments on the straight line, but I think
I'll just leave it alone.
Msg #24737 Dated 0:18:48 11-07-91 24733 <--> 24767
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LEFT FIELD
Talk to Mike King about cruise ships he has done them before and
can give you some insight on the ins and outs of the biz.
Msg #24738 Dated 1:27:49 11-07-91 24731 <--> 24761
From: GENO MUNARI
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
Yes, I remember Abe Fox very well. Iused to go to the deli before
I went to work on graveyard at the Sahare Hotel. His step son
Don Jacobs, Mr. Camera, is a friend of mine.(Sahara, (sic above).
I grew up in Burbank, and used to travel by bus to Hollywood
Magic, Bruce's Haunted House in Glendale, and Joe Berg's, upstairs.
I loved Joe's card cutter and gaffed decks. Frank at Hollywood
Magic used to tell me to buy books instead of tricks. My mother
used to work for Louie St. Pierre, the owner at the time. He let
me purchase magic for a 50% discount. Those were the days.
My po box is 98177, Las Vegas, Nv 89193
Msg #24739 Dated 8:58:04 11-07-91 -> 24745
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE
Got an interesting color catalog about a card collector's and
gambling supply auction. In the pictorial are faro set-ups,
case-keepers, gambling pocket watches, trimmers etc. I will hold
it for you.
I got these Will & Finck trimmers sharpened, wow are they neat, and
can make some wierd combinations. El Tabbo will go nuts when he sees
them.
Msg #24740 Dated 8:58:19 11-07-91 -> 24756
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE!
Wait till I bring you a little belly work. You will love it. Hope
the new hearth is where the home is'th. I have something for you
to make out of wood. When I am back from Japan, we will talk
seriously.
For some reason, seriously does not sound correct, but if Pappy
Smith, founder of Harold's Club in Reno could sign every letter
as a closing, i.e.,
Seriously,
Pappy Smith,
Then it is good enough for me. You should get a copy of his book,
"I WANT TO QUIT WINNERS", great reading material about the early
formative years in Reno and gambling anticdotes.
Geno
Msg #24741 Dated 8:58:42 11-07-91 -> 24743
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: KINGS & ACES
I thing you are right about getting me the explanation for the
effect. But in translation I have blown it. When I see you, we can
get together.
I have been having some great fun with a packet trick, that Cards
by Martin, in Lancaster sells (Neil Lester), called Kings and Aces.
It is the ONLY packet trick I have and it even fools me when I do
it. .......goes like this.....show to red kings, show to black kings
put one red king on table. Three cards left in hand change to aces
....the one on the table is turned over, it too is an ace.
Msg #24742 Dated 9:02:13 11-07-91 24735 <--> 24744
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Actually, Cantor's is not a bad suggestion! It is a wacko kinda place
(deli) on Fairfax and is a sort of Los Angeles landmark. I'm not
familiar with resturants in that area, but will try to ask my resturant
maven tonight.
Msg #24743 Dated 9:05:46 11-07-91 24741 <--> 24752
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: KINGS & ACES
Yes, will be glad to show you that effect when we see each other. As
to the packet trick, I've seen Kings and Aces and you are right, it
does go well. The problem is never one packet trick, the problem is
the guys who think they are potato chips!
Msg #24744 Dated 10:27:55 11-07-91 24665 <--> 24746
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Just my luck...I'll be in VEGAS on the first!
'W.
Msg #24745 Dated 10:31:47 11-07-91 24739 <--> 24753
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE
I believe I have the same catalogue, Geno...(ReFinders)...I bid on a
few items but thought the minimums were a bit on the high side as
minimums go. Some of the stuff was great, though....the Diana Board
looked great...and some of the Faro stuff was outstanding.
'Wayne.
P.S. - I'll be in Vegas around the first of December for a few days.
Let me know if you want to get together and have some lunch or a drink
or something. Send me a note here or you can always reach me at
Caesar's while I'm there.
'W.
Msg #24746 Dated 11:17:38 11-07-91 24744 <--> 24751
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
ARGH! (tm - Biro). We will definitely miss you on the first! But have
fun in Vegas!
Msg #24747 Dated 11:57:32 11-07-91 24715 <--> 24754
From: EVAN KATZ
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: SUZANNE SAXE
Her name sounds very familiar -- where is she from and what does she do
in Los Angeles? Also bear in mind there are at least three other Evan
Katz's around, one of them involved in magic! (No kidding). Lemme
know!
Msg #24748 Dated 11:58:47 11-07-91 24736 <--> 24750
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: I'M BACK
That is probably best!
Msg #24750 Dated 13:29:36 11-07-91 24736 <--> 24776
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Jerry: You picked up on the ceiling, but let go by, the remark about
being so exhausted.
Msg #24751 Dated 13:31:10 11-07-91 24708 <--> 24760
From: MARVIN STERN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Guess I"ll try and get back for Sunday.
It's probably too early for you to know, but if it gets to be a problem
picking up the tickets BEFORE hand, if that's what you want, let me
know.
My office is in Hollywood and I can have my driver pickup the tickets.
Saves standing in line Sunday.
Msg #24752 Dated 13:40:09 11-07-91 24743 <--> 24755
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KINGS & ACES
Keep them cripsy and fresh.
Msg #24753 Dated 13:40:14 11-07-91 24745 <--> 24757
From: GENO MUNARI
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE
That would be great.....glad to meet you again, and look forward in t
alking about the librariesssssss.
Msg #24754 Dated 13:40:21 11-07-91 24747 <--> 24765
From: GENO MUNARI
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SUZANNE SAXE
I wil give her a call and find out what she id doing now..but you
sounded familiar to her. Are you in your early 30's? And do you live
near Ventura Blvd. I will tell her.
Msg #24755 Dated 13:49:37 11-07-91 24752 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: KINGS & ACES
If they kept 'em crispy and fresh, they wouldn't be dull and lifeless!
A good suggestion there, Geno!
Msg #24756 Dated 14:17:49 11-07-91 24740 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE!
Seriously, Geno, I'm looking for stuff to build next year when I get
the shop going again. Please let's talk seriously when you get back
from El Nippon.
.
I have a little belly work that I picked up in Vegas and am intereste
d in stuff in that direction. Please stay in touch!!!
Msg #24757 Dated 14:17:55 11-07-91 24745 <--> 24852
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE
I got a copy of the ReFinders catalog myself and loved the colour
pics contained therein. Made my mouth water as well as inspiring me
to get on with the building of repro faro stuff which we will be
doing come 1992 (after Music City Conclave is done).....
Msg #24760 Dated 14:45:09 11-07-91 24735 <--> 24768
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Hey Now Kevin!
.
Denny's is too much same thing and some are not as good as others,
the one near my house is the pits, but i used to live 2 blocks from the
wiltern and Tiny Naylors was the place to go in the 60 & 70's,
Msg #24761 Dated 14:48:02 11-07-91 24738 <--> 24766
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGICK
Hey now Geno,
Don Jacobs, is my cousin and i am in contact with him quite a bit!
i was last in town in may of 90 at the Video Software dealers
Convention, don was there for entertainment tonight, and i was debuting
a "how to" video for making balloon animals! i will send you my promo
pak, if you want to see the video give don a call, he has a copy.
i miss the bergs but every now and then Ron pops up unexpectedly,
whoops! is he a wacked out trip!!!!
Well, i gotta get ready for work tonight, i do a local mexican
restayrant, the "balloon man" bringing a positive family atmosphere
in to the restaurant!!! they (the owners) say that!!
do you have a regular hotel or restaurant gig? i am sure there like
Los angeles, there are a shitloat of
magicians
in Los Angeles, there are a shitload of
magicians for parties and hotel/convention work.
.
.
quick question: you walk up to a small party, you are not sitting they
are. NO playing cards orany type of prop to open with on your person.
they have a full set dinner table, no food has been there only drinks,
what would you do to introduce yourself as a magician?
. i am couriose because i have a standard opening for that set up and
i wonderd if you did and what it would be, i simply do "salt shaker
thru table" with a big build up and naturally it is a stunner. then i
break out the cards and other toys.
Msg #24762 Dated 15:59:55 11-07-91 -> 24778
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DOUGLAS LARSON (X)
Re: WHERE?
Stanley, the cigar salesman, said that your Tinder Box is closed.
What'cha doing now?
Msg #24765 Dated 20:45:58 11-07-91 24754 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: SUZANNE SAXE
I am 30 (a week ago!) and do not, and have never lived near the Blvd.
I am, almost definitely, the only Evan Katz in Los Angeles at this
time. I'm a television and film writer, and I grew up in Queens, NY.
Her name still sounds familiar. Where are you living now, anyway? Why
did I think you didn't live in town?
Msg #24766 Dated 22:17:02 11-07-91 24547 <--> 24771
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
Yes, I would be interested in logging on. Please pass along how I can
get the password! Thank you in advance!!!
Msg #24767 Dated 23:13:07 11-07-91 24737 <--> 24777
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LEFT FIELD
Jerry,
I'll do that. What is the best way to contact him? Here?
Thanks.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24768 Dated 23:13:12 11-07-91 24742 <--> 24769
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David,
Whatever the concensus is is fine with me. I was going to say
that I'm not picky, but it would be a blatant lie. But sometimes
it is the company, and not the food.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24769 Dated 23:13:17 11-07-91 24751 <--> 24770
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Marvin,
Thank you for your generous offer. As you sumized, I am still
not sure of the logistics, but will certainly keep you in mind.
I hope you can make it!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24770 Dated 23:13:22 11-07-91 24760 <--> 24772
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Oh my god!!!! Did you think I was suggesting Denny's?!? I was
just letting you know about my cuisenary background. I once went
into the Denny's near my house and sat for 45 minutes without
even getting a glass of water. (after folk song society meeting
with other people coming in case you were saying to yourself "Why
didn't you leave, you Dunderhead?") "Not as good as others"
is a good way to put it. I've had good luck with Tiny Naylor's,
but again, I am most happy to go with the consensus.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24771 Dated 23:50:22 11-07-91 24766 <--> 24779
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: MAGICK
ok, it is 510-430-2865 and the password is runes, be advised this bbs
also caters to adult themes. enjoy!!!
Msg #24772 Dated 23:52:28 11-07-91 24770 <--> 24774
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
ok fine!
Msg #24774 Dated 0:14:34 11-08-91 24768 <--> 24877
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
The food and service at Canter's are pretty close to awful! But they
do tend to have large areas for the company and the chatter. I'd
suggest that we pick someplace that can accomodate a large group and
they are one of those places. But I have no particular ties to the
place.
Msg #24776 Dated 0:27:07 11-08-91 24750 <--> 24955
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: I'M BACK
What are you suggesting Marvin ? Of course Evan was exhausted from
walking through all the museums in Italy ...... Yeah, that's it
tired from sight seeing - sure I believe that !
Msg #24777 Dated 0:27:10 11-08-91 24767 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LEFT FIELD
Yeah, he checks in now and again, may be awile since someone ripped
off his computer. Just leave a msg addressed to him and I'm sure
he will respond the next time he signs on.
Msg #24778 Dated 2:27:35 11-08-91 24762 <-
From: DOUGLAS LARSON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: WHERE?
Marv,
they closed Beverly Center store. I was transfered to Torrance
store... that one sold as of today. Bummer dude.
I am still being paid by Tinder Box but don't know how long it will
last.
I am currently looking for a new vocation as I would probably eat thin
soup if I try to perform on the street... More practice needed.
If you have any ideas let me know.
Msg #24779 Dated 2:35:56 11-08-91 24761 <--> 24784
From: GENO MUNARI
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
I think that the way you approach a customer is most important.
It is very important to make them feel relaxed and at home and offer
your name first, "Such as I am Geno, how do you do?
If they want to introduce themselves they will. Any trick you can
do well is ok, as long as you can sell yourself and do well. When we
get together, I will show you my methods.
A thumb tip is all you need for an opener.
Msg #24784 Dated 8:36:36 11-08-91 24779 <--> 24800
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGICK
after the intro, which is very important, and relaxing, the first trick
is very important too. altho i prefer to use a tip at the conclusyion
of (last trick) hope to meet you soon.
Msg #24785 Dated 10:11:18 11-08-91 -> 24787
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: ED MARLO
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this or not but we've lost
another giant in 1991. Ed Marlo passed away Thursday afternoon. He
had leukemia and was undergoing chemotherapy for a while. Those are
all the details I have.
Msg #24787 Dated 10:26:36 11-08-91 24785 <--> 24801
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: ED MARLO
Thank you for what is a very sad note, Jim. 1991 has not been a good
year for giants. I was thinking about Marlo last night and wondering
how he was.
Msg #24788 Dated 11:11:38 11-08-91 24108 <--> 24795
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
But we got quite a few complaints on the price of the rooms in
Baltimore. This was in spite of the fact that the rates were half of
the rack (normal) rate. We are fast approaching a situation where
conventions in big cities with big city room rates may not be
supported sufficiently by organizations with memberships that are
largely nonurban (or at least not major urban areas).
Msg #24789 Dated 11:11:56 11-08-91 24149 <--> 24793
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
We noticed a large reduction in the number of kids stopping by for
trick or treating as well. This is consistent with a the trend we
have see for the last couple of years. I sense that the holiday is
also decreasing in popularity as an adult holiday as well. This may
be the result of its being on a weekday for the last few years. I
wonder if Joe is noticing any decrease in activity.
Hope Goodyear continues to look good for you.
Msg #24793 Dated 11:13:09 11-08-91 24269 <--> 24797
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
Glad to hear that the Tennessee Branch is starting to get itself
set up and together. I didn't realize that you still had a bunch of
stuff back here in Maryland. Hey...don't hesitate to stay with us if
you need a place to sleep when coming back for the last odds and ends
as I assume you probably moved the beds to Tennessee. I haven't had
time to think about whether I am doing well or not. Hopefully, it
will slow down a bit after Christmas.
Msg #24794 Dated 11:13:28 11-08-91 24270 <--> 24798
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
It almost sounds as if you are heading for a career as the Magical
Dice Stacking Chef and will either be developing a portable kitchen
counter or trying to book the better kitchens. Next time tell Biro
to teach you on the living room coffee table since you would at least
have a larger and more flexible market in which to work.
Msg #24795 Dated 11:58:04 11-08-91 24788 <--> 25833
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
It is impossible to be all things to all people. Have you considered
holding the convention in Aramagosa, Ca.? Although it has very limited
facilities, the whole town is for rent for conferences and such.
Msg #24797 Dated 13:33:52 11-08-91 24793 <--> 25834
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
Looks like I see you in St. Louis airport on Dec 5 on the way to SLC.
Gloria might make a bunch of Brunswik Stew for Christmas and can it
(jar it) and will send you a jug. Yes, we still spread out betwixt
here and there ad still calling there home, so it's different. Was on
a walk through the cedar forest yesterday and I discovered a lichen
moss forest. Do they still use that stuff on model railroads. I have
an acre of it. It is quite beautiful in its' natural environment
but you have to crawl around on the forest floor to appreciate its'
beauty.
Msg #24798 Dated 13:34:00 11-08-91 24794 <--> 25835
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MO MOJO!!!!!
That's good. It's a good thing I bought six dice (Pete loaned me a
four die cup) since I was practicing a blindfold pickup when one of
the dice goes into the disposal and gets ground up. I shoulda bought
a large die for a load along with a ton of little dice. Hopefully I
will get to the casino store again sometime in the next year.
Msg #24800 Dated 17:23:55 11-08-91 24784 <--> 24802
From: GENO MUNARI
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
In the opening, you can do whatever, since you have the gold. There
is no reason to have them suspect any props or whatever. Sometimes
you can even use a packet trick, of which I am not very found of.
(That was fond of). There is some really great simple ideas to
use that involve things you will find in a restaurant. Salt, money,
paper napkins, a glass, and maybe your calling card. In "The Magic
of Francis Carlyle (sic) he demos a great business card trick. He
showed me the trick at the Magic Castle more than 15 years ago.
You pretend to show a business card blank on both sides, and then
produce a printed side. It is very effective and a perfect way
for spectators to remember you.
By the way Scott. My Dad used to do business with Don Jacobs real
father and uncles in Burbank. They had a salvage yard. It was
fun as a kid to go there.
Msg #24801 Dated 17:24:17 11-08-91 24787 <--> 24803
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ED MARLO
It seems that we have lost some great magicians this year....so, so
sad....
Msg #24802 Dated 18:18:39 11-08-91 24800 <--> 24804
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAGICK
Two good sources of resturant magic are 1) The Magic Menu - a
newsletter specifically for resturant and bar workers - published by
Jim Sisti, and, 2) Workers and Workers 2 - two compendiums of material
for resturant and bar workers.
Jim Sisti can be contacted here on MAGIC! and will probably be happy to
supply details of The Magic Menu and the bound volume of the first
issues. Mike Close is also a MAGIC! member but he sometimes doesn't
check in for a while.
Msg #24803 Dated 18:21:19 11-08-91 24801 <--> 24878
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: ED MARLO
I have a theory, Geno, that says that magic is like a great road - it
stretches back for millenia and forward for millenia. We walk that
road with all of the magi and, periodically, some walk around the bend
and out of view. But new magi join us on the road too.
Msg #24804 Dated 21:28:08 11-08-91 24800 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGICK
really, BOY does that jog my memory bank!!!! i still see uncle simp.
and he is living in WLA at the same place for many years. i used to run
into him down at venice beach, with a babe at each arm. and remember
davie block?
.
ok heres the scoop. the restaurant i work at has asked me to STOP
taking tips and tonight (friday) was my usuals of HEAVY tippers. imagin
how hard it is to refuse a five or ten spot with the owner looking
on!!!! I tell them when they try to shove a bill into my hand or pocket
to let the management take it and the will give it to me, ha! the owner
says we take good care of scott and he brings a positive family image!
so wheres the compensation and i cant buy my dinner anymore with good
intentions. i wont eat the free employee stuff because how many ways
can you do mexican food? :>
Scott
Msg #24806 Dated 21:41:25 11-08-91 -> 24807
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ALL
Re: JAMES HAMILTON AT THE CAS
HEY NOW ALL!!!
Be sure to see JAMES HAMILTON at the magic castle this week, he is from
san fran and is the magicain at GERADELI Square and also a VERY
informed collector of the HERMANNS, (ask about his car ADALAID)
and his other collectables.
Msg #24807 Dated 21:59:26 11-08-91 24806 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: JAMES HAMILTON AT THE CAS
Thanks, Scott! WIll try to catch James Hamilton at the Castle.
Msg #24808 Dated 22:37:27 11-08-91 -> 24817
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: FRED'S SUBTLETY
For anyone that does the Card Named Fred trick or any
variation of it, I have come up with a little subtlety to add
to it. In the trick as I had learned it the bottom half or
face half of the deck is all different and the top half is
all the same. You just force one of the cards from the top
of the deck. The way that I do it is with 3x5 cards instead
of playing cards and I have something written on the faces of
the cards. For instance for the Post Office show I use
different city, states and zip codes.
Now for my subtlety. I place three odd cards on top of the
deck which is on top of the ones to be forced. I start to
thumb them off one at a time from my left hand onto my right
hand. This reverses their order. After three cards have
gone by I tell them to just touch anyone that goes by. When
they touch one of the force cards and they have assured
everyone they are happy with the free choice, I bring my
hands together enough so that I can push their card out for
them to grab. As they pull it out I bring my hands a little
closer together and slide the bottom indifferent card from
the right half discards onto the top of the left half that
the cards were being drawn off of. The result is that I now
have an indifferent card on the face of the bottom right hand
and the top of the left hand stacks. I turn over the left
hand top card and show it. "You picked the card right in
between the so and so and (I turn over the right hand packet
so it is face up) the so and so.
To me this makes the choice look like a genuine free one.
Let me know what you think.
Msg #24812 Dated 8:18:09 11-09-91 24473 <--> 24813
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SETUP
TC
Ok got the info. Hardly ever get to Nashville. But once in a great
while I do, and will call. CMEK is going on now. Ray called last week
to see if I was going, but I didn't go. Obie has been looking for a new
place to hold FFFF. Rumor has it that he found one out in the
Southtowns. I'll let you know if I hear more. And If I get to
Nashville, I'll certainly call. But the way business has been, I'm
lucky to get anywhere. It's really slow.
Msg #24813 Dated 8:21:13 11-09-91 24478 <--> 24814
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
David:
Many thanks! It has occured to me that I will have to upgrade my
bios. Also, my setup for CMOS. It's hard to believe this machine was
state-of-the-art when I bought it. The times change fast in the
computer industry.
Msg #24814 Dated 8:22:51 11-09-91 24489 <--> 24820
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
pETE:
i'LL HAVE TO PASS ON YOUR "STEAL" PRICE. BUSINESS HAS BEEN SO SLOW
THAT i HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT KEEPING THIS SHIP AFLOAT, MUCHLESS
RELOCATE 3000 MILES...
Msg #24817 Dated 11:06:50 11-09-91 24808 <--> 24950
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FRED'S SUBTLETY
That sounds very good, Stan! That really does make the choice seem
freer. Thanks!
Msg #24820 Dated 11:11:35 11-09-91 24813 <--> 24927
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
You should have been here until 4 a.m. this morning while I was working
on Pete's computer! Weird machine.
"State of the art" is not always a necessity - if the machine is doing
what you want it to do, then as far as I'm concerned it is fine. I'm
still using a lot of "obsolete" equipment - as a matter of fact, my
original 10-year old genune IBM PC (the one with the optional diskette
drives) is still pressed into service around here at times.
On the other hand, there are some awfully nice things that can only be
done with the new machines. As to how fast times change, it has been
said that if the revolution that occurred in computer hardware had been
paralleled by a similar revolution in the auto industry, then a car
today would cost about $200 and would get 250 miles to the gallon!
What doesn't get mentioned in that analogy is that the car would only
be 1" long, would only come in black and would be manufactured in
Malaysia.
Msg #24825 Dated 17:09:25 11-09-91 24456 <--> 24867
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Yes! There is a better way! Use a mirror glass! Two different magi
performed this effect at the PCAM convention. Have the silk in the back
of the mirror glass, with slush powder in the front compartment.
Actually pour the milk into the "slush compartment". When it
solidifies, turn the glass upside down (mouth AWAY from the audience),
and boom! The silk side is toward the audience. Pull out the silk and
viola! Milk to silk.
Msg #24826 Dated 17:16:49 11-09-91 -> 24856
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSLETTER PERMISSION
Pete, apparently your laptop troubles have caused you to miss two of my
messages. You wrote a review of Sir Lantz's performance on local cable
in message number 23335. I would like to print it up in the local SAM
assembly's newsletter, and request permission from you to do so. I hope
this message gets through the laptop...otherwise (ARGH!)
Msg #24836 Dated 22:17:53 11-09-91
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIR LANTZ
hey pete!
had the chance to play "tag team magic" with sir lantz, ok here is
my impression of him. not actually seeing him work, but in transit, i
was given comments from the audience (strolling) and it was not too
exciting. they (guests) pointed out the thumbtip to me he was using
and i was not aware of his routiens, but i did something he did and the
audience told me that they couldnt figure me out and he had a plastic
thing on his thumb.
.
you gonna make it to the dive i work at??? where are you at (living)
i still show off my castle walls book where you "blackened" out your
tooth!!
Msg #24839 Dated 22:43:42 11-09-91 -> 24857
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: COLLECTORS
Any reports on the Collector's Conference this weekend?
Msg #24844 Dated 2:16:32 11-10-91 -> 24872
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LEVI
Just witnessed John Gaughan perform PRACTICALLY IN A PARLOUR SETTING
THE KELLER LEVITATION... from the Carter Show! Awesome to say the
least. Unbelievable so close and yet a baffler!!!! More later. just
drove up 300 miles from Mexico in time to see some of the Magic History
Conference!!! Argh..... this is the good stuff!!!!
Msg #24846 Dated 2:48:10 11-10-91 24614 <--> 25837
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CASINO
Will send
Msg #24849 Dated 2:48:24 11-10-91 24626 <--> 25839
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Yep.. I hit 400 lifetime in school...
Msg #24850 Dated 2:48:28 11-10-91 24683 <--> 24851
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: THE BIRO
I will take the Cell modem... yo.... tired now 300 mph up from
Mexico.... argh-0lay
Msg #24851 Dated 2:48:34 11-10-91 24695 <--> 24862
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE BIRO
You bet bwana... WITH FREE NEW TRANSMISSION.... ARGH.... hpe the
frog fixed my CPU
Msg #24852 Dated 2:48:39 11-10-91 24739 <--> 24853
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE
I got the same catalog... tanks... You coming to San Fran??? Let
me know...
Msg #24853 Dated 2:48:45 11-10-91 24757 <--> 24863
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE
Tom Blue (son of Ben blue) says he bought a lot of stuff out of
the catalog....
Msg #24856 Dated 2:49:02 11-10-91 24826 <--> 25355
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: NEWSLETTER PERMISSION
I answered it twice. YES GO AHEAD... ARGH COMPUTER ERROR, NO?
Msg #24857 Dated 2:49:06 11-10-91 24839 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COLLECTORS
Yep. KILLER. SPECIALLY GAUGAN'S CLOSE UP OF KELLER LEVI!!!!!!
Msg #24858 Dated 4:30:34 11-10-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: BECKMAN
MAGIC!-NL Sun 10 Nov 91 13:13
Heinz posted the following msg:
Please, can somebody give me the correct adress of Daryl Beckman
and Sheila?? They have a Magic shop in Seatle I believe. I would
be pleased if you can give me their telepfonenr and/or faxnumber.
This Daryl is the man who had this giant antique posters hanging
in the back of my stand in FISM.
Thanks Heinz
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (2:0/0)
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Msg #24862 Dated 6:37:25 11-10-91 24851 <--> 24865
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE BIRO
Cool! Bet it was good to be in your own jeep for the baja race? We're
getting into something cool here. Radio controlled model gas boats
on the pond. Saving up for a radio chopper to do flybys like the
fat cat race teams at Gold Coast 300. We do it to entertain the dogs.
Msg #24863 Dated 6:37:30 11-10-91 24853 <--> 24866
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE
It must be nice to be able to buy all that stuff. I hope I live at
least long enuff to see the catalog of the Tom Blue collection
and drool over the Faro layouts, case keepers, card presses and deali
ng boxes.
Msg #24865 Dated 8:56:01 11-10-91 24862 <--> 24873
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: THE BIRO
The dogs will be good with attack toys on em....
Msg #24866 Dated 8:56:33 11-10-91 24863 <--> 24886
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE
I just thot, few mns ago... got to snap apic of him...
OH.... YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT A JAPANESE GUY HERE HAS THE FIRST BOOK
EVER WITH LINKING RINGS INIT... WILL GIVE ME COPY OF PAGES... ALSO IF
I CAN FIND HIM TODAY WILL TAKE THE NIKON TO HIM.....
WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW
Msg #24867 Dated 8:56:23 11-10-91 24825 <--> 25056
From: STAN LAKE
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Thanks Scott. Many people have since recommended the mirror glass to
me. There are even different types of mirror glasses some with angle
mirrors, some straight across, etc. Some of my work is on the stage
but most of it would be in a smaller setting where it's possible to
have a problem with angles. Have you ever performed an effect using a
mirror glass at close quarters where people are, say, five feet from
you?
Msg #24869 Dated 9:02:50 11-10-91 -> 24968
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD SHOW
My wife and I are looking forward to the Copperfield special you were
nice enough to coordinate. What about tickets? Do we purchase them
now under our group name or what?
I got the IBM key you sent me yesterday. Thanks much but it didn't
fit. I have some kind of a clone of a clone keyboard. Obviously I did
manage to get it fixed but thanks for the effort!
Msg #24872 Dated 9:23:17 11-10-91 24844 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LEVI
Thanks for your preliminary on-the-scene report, Pete. The parlour
Keller sounds great!
Msg #24873 Dated 9:25:55 11-10-91 24851 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THE BIRO
Yep, Frog fixed your CPU. You were right - you really do have a
TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE graphics board! You are one of the very few
people in the world for whom I would tear the video board out of my
personal 386!
Msg #24877 Dated 10:03:01 11-10-91 24774 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I'm underwelmed by Cantor's, only been there once after a concert at
the music cntr and can't say I look forward to another trip, but I'll
go where ever everyone else wants to go.
Msg #24878 Dated 10:03:04 11-10-91 24803 <--> 24884
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ED MARLO
Well said David. I read somewhere that the road to immortality
is achieved by leaving your mark through the written word, if that is
true then certainly Ed Marlo is truly immortal and those new magi
that walk the road can benefit from his having been on this plane for
a time.
Msg #24882 Dated 10:14:30 11-10-91 -> 24907
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ALL
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
anybody else have the pleasure of MIKE WEBERS new book LIFESAVERS?
i bought it yesterday at Steve dawsons MAGIC TOUCH in milpitas. this
shop is the best meeting place for the bay area magi!
Msg #24884 Dated 10:55:12 11-10-91 24878 <--> 25057
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ED MARLO
Yes, if I may extend the metaphore - we all walk the road, but some
also contribute to the Great Dialog that takes place along the way.
Biro reported that he has just been looking at a 15th Century magic
book - a message from a mage who went before.
P.S. - I like to think of MAGIC! as being a part of that Dialog.
Msg #24886 Dated 12:06:29 11-10-91 24757 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FARO AND MORE
Sounds GREAT, Tab. I look forward to seeing what new faro wonders come
out of Tabman Central!
'W.
Msg #24887 Dated 12:09:22 11-10-91 -> 24890
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: CONFERENCE ON MAGIC HISTO
The Conference on Magic History was, from this vantage point, an
unqualified smashing success.
Some of the highlights of the programme were: video of magic
highlights from The Ed Sullivan Show, which included Al Flosso, (my
favorite), Channing Pollock, Ballentine, several others...including
Sullivan performances of Jay Marshall and Rene Lavand, both of whom
were sitting in the theatre with us.
Jim Olsen & Homer Hudson performed Hero's Decapitated Horse, newly
constructed.
Michael McGiveney, father of quickchange or protean artist Owen
McGiveney, spoke on the subject, performed and showed footage of both
his father and himself in performance.
A special visit to the Huntington Library was conducted, where many
rare and some unique examples of antiquarian magic books were
displayed by special arrangement.
John Gaughan spoke on Houdini apparatus and ephemera. (John restored
the Houdini Water Torture Cell which was on display in the Exhibit
(Wayne is having a computer problem on his end. He will be continuing
this report later.)
Msg #24890 Dated 17:51:31 11-10-91 24887 <--> 24893
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: CONFERENCE ON MAGIC HISTO
Sorry for the problem...just got back home and here's the rest...
The Water Torture Cell, as I was saying, was on display in the exhibit
room in all its restored glory. Other spectacular items on display
included much from the Carter show...the Million Dollar Mystery, (90%
restored), his Spirit Cabinet and even his personal travelling trunk
complete with costumes, mirror, throat lozenges, razor and other
personal effects.
Bill Smith and Mike Caveney spoke about the Carter show aquisitions and
Charles Carter's life and performances.
Leon Leon, (son of The Great Leon), discussed his father with Caveney
and presented illustrative slides.
Jim Steinmeyer presented his recreation of Devant's Golliwog Ball.
Robert Neale spoke on Primitive Conjuring Performances.
Bob Dicksonn showed some rare Spanish Language film footage from the
early 1930's, (produced in USA), including great stuff from Laurel &
Hardy films...a rare filmed recording of Hadji Ali's act...drinking
massive quantities of water and spouting like a firehose...drinking
water again and following it with a bottle of kersosene...which, when
spewed forth, set a miniature house ablaze and then extinguished the
blaze with spouted water!!!
Rene Lavand performed his amazing close-up magic.
Keiichi Yamamoto, on his first-ever trip from Japan, spoke on Early
Japanese magic...with slides...and translation from the ever-amazing
Max Maven.
Edwin Dawes spoke and showed slides regarding the exhaustively
researched mysterious life and death of Colonel Stodare.
Jim Steinmeyer conducted a panel discussion on the relationship between
conjuring and the cinema with panelists Richard Balzer, Richard
Schickel, Albert Whitlock, Bill Taylor and Bill McIlhany. McIlhany
showed some great film footage which added substantially to the
discussion.
Carl Ballantine clowned around with Jay Marshall.
Richard Balzer presented an authentic nineteenth century Magic Lantern
Show.
John Gaughan's restored Maskelyne & Kellar's Levitation, (from the
Carter show), was presented on a specially constructed Victorian Parlor
Proscenium stage!!!
As an added attraction, Rene Lavand conducted a brilliant lecture on
his close-up artistry, with the help of translator Tina Lenert.
This is a thumb-nail sketch of the events of the conference. I may
have left out a few things...in fact, I'm sure I did.
The dealer room had a bounty of books, apparatus and
ephemera....including Houdini's personal signed Bible! I can't recount
all the details here...it would take several days.
Suffice it to say that it was a truly magical weekend. I hope this
skeletal report will bring a flavor of the event to those who could not
be there.
'Wayne.
Msg #24891 Dated 18:24:20 11-10-91
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IT WAS...
It was great spending a little time with you over the weekend.
I'm also glad we were able to break bread at my favorite
restaurant.....it's always nice to share those "special" places!
Have a safe trip home.
'W.
Msg #24893 Dated 21:54:36 11-10-91 24890 <--> 24908
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONFERENCE ON MAGIC HISTO
It sounds like it was a great weekend, Wayne. Thanks for the report
and for the trouble you went through (including the technical problem)
to provide it.
Msg #24899 Dated 22:18:42 11-10-91 -> 24915
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
The Biro rolled thru and picked up his computer. Since this is priv I
can tell you that I went ahead with your suggestion and wired that auto
bomb thing in - it was a GREAT idea! I tied it to one of the drive
controllers, so it won't go off when he turns it on, but it will when
he tries to run some of his programs! And he wants to put 'em in
suitcases - HA!
We had a chance to go to dinner and Nathan and Pete exchanged tricks.
Pete can do a mean ashtray vanish! Then they started to do a team act
- Nathan vanished a crayon and Pete produced it from his nose! Talk
about a wacko comedy magic team!
Msg #24901 Dated 22:41:21 11-10-91 -> 24918
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BOBO
Bobo is still alive and well. I see him every year at the TAOM
(Texas) convention. Although I've been introduced to him a couple of
times, it wasn't until this year's convention that I'd ever really
spent any time talking with him. I just happen to mention the fact
that I'd never actually chatted with Bobo to my good friend Terry
Campagna. She's know Bobo for many, many years, and insisted we go
spend some time with him. I'm glad we did. He really is a grand old
gentleman and very pleasant to talk to. I had him autograph a
half-dollar which I now have in a little coin case, it looks pretty
neat. Also he showed me several items that he likes to do. One that
struck me was "Tenkai Pennies". Bobo does it very slow and delibrate
and it does seem very magical. I'd read the effect in _Modern Coin
Magic_, but didn't think much of it (Eugene Burger is so right about
the failure of imagination!). Bobo was kind enough to run through the
mechanics with me until I had them down. The timing does take a while
to get, but the basic mechanics are relatively simple. The hardest
part being the back pinch, but using pennies makes that simple too.
If you're interested you should drop him a note, I'm sure he would
love it.
Charlie
Msg #24907 Dated 8:49:15 11-11-91 24882 <--> 24919
From: STAN LAKE
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
I don't have it yet but do you think it was a good buy? From what I
understand it is impromptu or nearly impromptu magic done with whatever
is lying around. Nothing you would include in a set performance but
for a spur of the moment effect they could be miraculous. That's what
I've heard, what do you think?
Msg #24908 Dated 8:57:15 11-11-91 24887 <--> 24920
From: STAN LAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONFERENCE ON MAGIC HISTO
I had no idea what a great exhibition that was going to be. Thanks for
the report- I sure wish I could have made it!
Msg #24915 Dated 14:12:50 11-11-91 24899 <--> 24916
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
I don't mean to break the illusion and exposing is not my nature, but
I was WONDERING when Pete was going to use that crayon he had stashed
in his nose all weekend! Everyone thought he had a cold!
'W.
Msg #24916 Dated 14:15:53 11-11-91 24915 <--> 24917
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Actually, your suggestion only enhances the illusion, since it means
that Pete had to know the color of the crayon two days BEFORE Nathan
vanished it! (Although I guess it is possible that Nathan picked the
color based on the one he glimpsed in Pete's nose; or, for all I know,
the two of them had prearranged the whole thing!)
Msg #24917 Dated 14:58:25 11-11-91 24899 <--> 24921
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Boy what luck... I dropped the computer getting it out of the car,
but a smoke device inside seemed to go off... causing me to, by pure
luck, drop it right next to the automated garden sprinkler system.
It put out the fire and melted a few chips... then when I got it
towelled off, and plugged in... it seems to be working more like
a 286.5 UH HUH!
Msg #24918 Dated 14:58:32 11-11-91 24901 <--> 24969
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOBO
I have always said, "You have to read the magic books with your
eyes closed to visualize the effect!"
Honest, I sed that.
Msg #24919 Dated 14:58:37 11-11-91 24907 <--> 24929
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Weber's Lifesavers is a major book, a must have.
Msg #24920 Dated 14:58:40 11-11-91 24908 <--> 24970
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CONFERENCE ON MAGIC HISTO
It was better than the weak description by Wayne Powers! He was so
busy laffing alla time he didn't see the subtle stuff! Yar!
Msg #24921 Dated 14:58:43 11-11-91 24915 <--> 24922
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
I was keeping the old Crayola at Body Temp, dude...
Just got a phone call from a cat that saw Rene Lavand do some
of his stuff at the Castle last night... the guy was blown into
another time warp... NO CLUE!!! HEHEHEHEHEHEH....
Next chance? The Desert Seminar!
Goucho food forever, right?
Msg #24922 Dated 14:58:50 11-11-91 24916 <--> 24925
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
It does not matter what color crayon you use. After two days they
all APPEAR TO BE GREEN! ARGH... ? WELL, IT WAS YOUR STRAIGHT LINE!
Msg #24925 Dated 14:57:11 11-11-91 24916 <--> 24926
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Pete could have had one color in one side., another color in the other,
another color in one ear, and also the other ears.
That gives him the choice of 4 colors.
If Pete felt that he needed a choice of more than 4 color, he could
have put one up, nevermind. Forget it.
Msg #24926 Dated 15:33:13 11-11-91 24925 <--> 24930
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Up the chimney?
Msg #24927 Dated 15:32:21 11-11-91 24820 <--> 24935
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
Yes, things do change, and quickly. I used to work the COMDEX Show in
the 80's. I was like a kid in a candy store. But the technology was
changing right before your eyes. And, I guess it still is. It's just
that my exposure to it has been diminished.
Msg #24928 Dated 15:33:23 11-11-91 -> 24936
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: CPU
BOY DO I SCARE EASY. Couldn't get anything to PRINT... argh.... when
all else fails put the plug in! HO.... Everything SEEMS to be OK in
Ventura... still has the screen dirt, but all is working... whew.... no
argh's here... Muchas etc.
Msg #24929 Dated 17:22:01 11-11-91 24907 <--> 24933
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
not total impromtu because most requires advance knowledge..and prep
work.....more later as things develope! {8-)
Msg #24930 Dated 17:36:55 11-11-91 24917 <--> 24931
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Glad to hear that everything is working OK, Pete. Just don't touch the
parts that are still wet.
Msg #24931 Dated 17:38:11 11-11-91 24922 <--> 24932
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Argh!!! (tm - Biro), YETCH! I guess you didn't know Nathan had stored
it in his nose before he gave it to you, right?
Msg #24932 Dated 17:39:13 11-11-91 24925 <--> 24966
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
You also forgot the second nostril, Marvin.
Msg #24933 Dated 17:39:51 11-11-91 24919 <--> 24939
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Some of the Lifesavers routines are not completely impromptu. I
believe that in one of them he suggests that on the way into the
resturant you steal a fork from another table and break it in your lap.
Msg #24935 Dated 17:46:44 11-11-91 24927 <--> 25552
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
You see a lot of things at Comdex - some actually work and a few of
those actually get to the marketplace. I try to avoid going to Comdex
as it is too much of a zoo.
Msg #24936 Dated 17:47:41 11-11-91 24928 <--> 24941
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
Yeah, Pete, it helps to plug the printer in! I think that the "screen
dirt" is either in the graphics controller card or the monitor. I
couldn't test either of those. I did run a screen test on your
machine, using my graphics/monitor, and all was OK, but that hardly
tells us anything.
Msg #24937 Dated 18:09:33 11-11-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CAFFE LATTE
Evan -
THANKS for the info you sent me on the coffee. I really appreciate
your taking the time to do it. Great info that does mention the "kona
blends" in a negative light.
Msg #24939 Dated 19:29:47 11-11-91 24933 <--> 24945
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Try to get the bottle cap striaghtened out inside the bottle in an
impromptu situation. Regardless... the material is TOP NOTCH.
Except the Crayon up the nose... takes too long to set!
Msg #24941 Dated 19:29:54 11-11-91 24936 <--> 24958
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
I have gotten used to the screen dirt... duh...
Msg #24945 Dated 20:16:40 11-11-91 24919 <--> 24949
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Awright, Lifesavers is on my Christmas list. Thanks!
Msg #24949 Dated 20:52:39 11-11-91 24907 <--> 24953
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Hi Stan,
I also have Lifesavers, but wasn't as impressed as Scott and
others. You're right about nothing you would include in a set
performance for two reasons. First is that this is mostly
"improvised" rather than "impromptu", the difference being,
finding things lying around to assemble an effect when you are
otherwise unprepared. This differs greatly from Weber's
definition of impromptu. If you ever get caught without your pull
or thumb tip, he has some ideas how to assemble one from things
such as gum wrappers and rubber bands. Don't get me wrong... the
book has some good ideas and does make one think, which isn't
half bad in itself. The second reason is the somewhat
controversial statement inside the cover (hidden from view, if
you bought a sealed package or by mail order) stating his
performance restrictions. If you can live with not performing any
of these professionally or on national television, it's not that
bad. After all, as Pete observed, he can do whatever he wants
with his own material. It disturbed me a little to see other
people's work lightly touched upon, possibly making these out of
reach as well.
All in all, I'm still satisfied with "Lifesavers", but more for
the between the lines thinking than the tricks themselves.
David (the other one)
Msg #24950 Dated 20:53:19 11-11-91 24808 <-
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FRED'S SUBTLETY
Oh yeah, I also liked your "Fred's Subtlety". Adding the
indifferent card does indeed help in case someone calls you on
the choice of cards. Keep the thoughts coming!
David (the other one)
Msg #24953 Dated 21:08:48 11-11-91 24939 <--> 24965
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
There is some good stuff in Lifesavers. There is also some stuff that
I didn't care for. Overall, I'm glad I have the book. But someone who
had very tight resources might need to choose between it and another
book and they should be aware of the mixed content.
Msg #24954 Dated 21:10:36 11-11-91 24583 <--> 24959
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Re:Ferrentino's Power Chopper, it was indeed the genuine
Collector's Workshop prop with a humorous addition that I think
he should licence to CW to add to their piece. He added a clock
face over the saw blade, making it look like a modern style
grandfather's clock. The volunteer was much more willing to stick
his hand into the device this way. It wasn't until he was
shackled that the true nature of the device was revealed. I'm not
in a position to say if this was the first time someone thought
of this, but it seems such a natural addition. For John's comedic
style it fit quite well.
David (the other one)
ps. Have you looked at my newest Wizard pic? Someone gave me a
poster called Spell Bound that he got at a D&D convention. I
added the photo of the starlit background with Targa.
Also, do you know of any paint package (besides Targa) that can
handle over 640X480X256 ? I now have a Microtec 300ZX color
scanner, but have nothing powerful enough to handle the edits.
Msg #24955 Dated 21:10:51 11-11-91 24658 <--> 24964
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'M BACK
A belated welcome back from me too! I'm glad you enjoyed your
trip. Italy is a wonderful place. I lived there for about two
years when my dad was in the service and was welcomed everywhere
we went by people willing to share whatever they had with us. I
wish someday to return there.
You're the first one to hear about my thoughts about this month's
M A G I C. After my disappointed outlook of the last issue, I was
happily surprised to see Stan's newest offering. The articles
were timely and well written, his Inside Magic is larger, and
Weber's reviews were more open and informative. Now this is what
I wanted to see all along! I hope he continues improving this
way.
It won't be long and Genii's going to have to run pretty hard
just to keep up!
David (the other one)
Msg #24958 Dated 21:12:48 11-11-91 24941 <--> 24985
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
If you want a wild, fun thing to have around - sort of a version of
"screen dirt" - you should get Windows 3.0 and something called "After
Dark." After Dark is a package of "screen savers." You walk away from
your system for 5 minutes (or any amount you set) and whatever you were
working on stays, but the screen will go to a protection mode with
different graphics you can select. Some of the selections include
little worms that crawl around eating your screen, bouncing balls,
flying toasters, or a complete aquarium with swimming fish.
Msg #24959 Dated 21:22:37 11-11-91 24954 <--> 24982
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
Ferrentino's Power Chopper sounds interesting! But it is a BIG
departure from the Collector's Workshop patter if he uses a "victim."
Their whole concept was to place the mage in jeopardy.
I didn't know you had uploaded a new Wizard pic. I'll have to take a
look asap! No, I don't know a paint package that goes over
640x480x256! Are you sure you aren't asking me just so I'll be
jealous? Please let me know how the Microtec 300ZX is. Or why not
scan the Vegas picture in? That way I can see for myself! (but upload
it under a new name so that those who want the B&W version can still
get it).
Msg #24964 Dated 23:36:43 11-11-91 24955 <--> 24983
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Thanks for the welcome back, David. I wonder if Italy is different
from years ago when you were there. Florence in particular has so
evolved around the tourist culture even in the last ten years, that it
astounded me.
Re this month's M A G I C: I enjoy the magazine a lot, in a very
different way that Genii. It's more "general interest" in that the
articles are about magic in a broader sense. It also has a more worldy
feel in a sense, as it's not as fraternally oriented toward the Castle
scene and older generations. I think Kaufmann's column is good, and is
very welcome -- the effects are clearly described in good detail. And
Weber's reviews, I agree, I excellent. I wish there were more, better
review columns in all the monthly mags, don't you?
Msg #24965 Dated 23:43:17 11-11-91 24953 <--> 24975
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Biro:
Miss me?
Msg #24966 Dated 0:05:06 11-12-91 24916 <--> 24967
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Actually, I only glimpsed one color...but I understand Pete had the
entire DeLuxe Crayola Assortment (sans box and sharpener) nasally
stashed.
'W.
Msg #24967 Dated 0:06:42 11-12-91 24921 <--> 24972
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Yeah.....can't wait til next we get "grilled" at the Gaucho!
Rene really was fantastic....had me frosted with his "bread crumbs"
until...HEHEHEHEHE...
Talk to ya soon.
'W.
Msg #24968 Dated 0:09:03 11-12-91 24869 <--> 24973
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD SHOW
Stan,
I'm sorry that the fix didn't work. Neither one of us really
thought it would, but every so often the computer gods smile down
upon us.
As for seats, I haven't heard from anyone in several days, so I
assume that those who have responded are all that will respond.
I am going to send confirmation mail to everyone who has said
they will make it in the next day or so. Then I'll give the
Wiltern a call and find out what is what with them.
I haven't forgotten you, and I'll have more info in the next day
or so.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24969 Dated 0:09:10 11-12-91 24901 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOBO
Charlie,
I would love to write him a letter. Do you have an address, or
should I send it in care of his publisher?
Thank you for the information. I'm glad you had such a wonderful
experience!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #24970 Dated 0:12:53 11-12-91 24920 <--> 24990
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONFERENCE ON MAGIC HISTO
Lavand paid me big money to laugh and distract YOU from the subtle
stuff!!! DOUBLE Yar!!!
`W.
Msg #24972 Dated 1:04:54 11-12-91 24966 <--> 24987
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Gee, I don't know if Biro could do that - stash a whole DeLuxe Crayola
Assortment in his nose. But I think there are a couple of people here
on MAGIC! who could.
Msg #24973 Dated 1:06:20 11-12-91 24968 <--> 24989
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD SHOW
Kevin - don't forget me! I'm waiting on confirms from a couple of
people but should have somewhere between six and ten people coming!
Msg #24975 Dated 5:14:22 11-12-91 24949 <--> 24977
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Agree that Lifesavers is a fine book but
am puzzled by the statement that I cannot use the material on TV etc.
I paid something like $10.00 for one of the effects from another source
and he seems to be telling me that I cannot use it. The effect I am
referring to is the trick of setting a wristwatch ala the Stull Watch
routine.
Doing this on TV would make an interesting test case.
Msg #24977 Dated 7:42:49 11-12-91 24945 <--> 24980
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Hope you don't get into a "sink or swim" situation before the Yule
Log is burned!
Msg #24980 Dated 7:43:02 11-12-91 24949 <--> 24981
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Gooooooooooood ovservation re Lifeslavers.... most of the current
good guys have work worth looking over.... but again.... no one
should just take 'em right off the pages and run with what is
written... needs to be studied and tossed into your own personal
blender... and in later years all in there makes stuff that is you.
Huh? Did I say that? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Msg #24981 Dated 7:43:09 11-12-91 24953 <--> 24986
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
One must assume that Tabby's list (online here seventeen hundred
years ago) is ALREADY complete on your library shelf before you
buy the NEW GUYS' STUFF....
Msg #24982 Dated 7:43:14 11-12-91 24954 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC AUDITION
MAC 2? COREL DRAW? QUARK XPRESS? PHOTOSHOP?
Above is my Xmas list.... argh
Msg #24983 Dated 7:43:17 11-12-91 24955 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: I'M BACK
Hopefully M A G I C will keep on growing and Dante will keep his
pattern... we will be the winners with TWO KILLER magazines slipping
under the doorway of discovery. Gee, did I say that?
Msg #24985 Dated 7:43:25 11-12-91 24958 <--> 24997
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
My pal in Santa Paula has AFTER DARK.... argh.... it's like an old
TV show, jus' keeps rollin' on....
.
Windows is for sissys.
Msg #24986 Dated 7:43:31 11-12-91 24965 <--> 24992
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
I haven't even had time lately to miss my dog.
Msg #24987 Dated 7:43:34 11-12-91 24966 <--> 24988
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
I had hoped you would have kept your trap shut, dude... The Crayola
Nasal Index (Tabman has the wood prototype) is going to be shown
for the first time at the Music City Magic Conclave.
The basis came from Zan Fear (spelling?) and his Pan Flute.
I sold the TV Performing rights to Johnny Carson (who will tour
with a Parlour Act following his retirement).
Stage rights went to the third girl on the left in Lance Burton
show. Which, when you are in Win Money City, you must go see. Take
in the late show. She is the one that has the greatest lung capacity.
Msg #24988 Dated 7:43:44 11-12-91 24967 <--> 24991
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
I left the bread crumbs out and a bird came in and ate them. Chrikey
what do I do?
Do the Gouchos really use Bolos? Oh, go see Melinda's show too,
the Goucho act (seriously) is a very funny one. Save your money
and see Lance and Melinda instead of S&R...
Msg #24989 Dated 7:43:50 11-12-91 24968 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD SHOW
If you don't make Copperfield's show, you can see Andre Kole in
Castro Valley, Calif., Friday nite at 7:30. Site? The Neighborhood
Church, 20600 John Drive. $6.00. Is off the 580 Freeway in Castro
Valley.
Msg #24990 Dated 7:43:56 11-12-91 24970 <--> 25007
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONFERENCE ON MAGIC HISTO
Yeah, I missed something about a Midget under the matt... did he
bring in World Federation Wrestler? You know, I saw that growth
behind his ear in the morning but didn't relate it to the trick.
I have a variation using a 34-inch tall coffee cup. People
always LOOK into it when I work and waitresses keep trying to fill
it....
Msg #24991 Dated 7:44:03 11-12-91 24972 <--> 25004
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Hey keep it cleen
Msg #24992 Dated 7:44:06 11-12-91 24975 <--> 24995
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
If you read Weber correctly he doesn't say you CANNOT DO THIS STUFF
UNDER TV AND BIG TIME CONDITIONS... he says, "Call me"... so you
call him and say, "Hey I am doing the trick that I got from another
source that looks and acts like yours... just want to let you know"
and get on with it.
He really just wants to keep up to speed on what is happening
and if you get $20,000 for doing something HE CREATED he deserves
a piece of the action. Just like a song writer does.
Problem is magicalumpkin's have not acted professional in thier
use of material. That is why almost everyone does the same stuff.
Just think how cool it would be if all the magi out there did
stuff that was written for THEM and nobody copped it... there would
be a lot of creativity and there would be far fewer lousy magi
taking stuff they see and duplicating it in a show 20 minutes later.
.
Great examples: Look at Rene Levand, Slydini, Ricky Jay, Lance
Burton, etc. they are the good ones and they do THEIR OWN brand of
stuff. There are other examples, but if you note... the leaders
do not do the same stuff. Finn Jon, Gaetan Bloom, Tamariz...
Msg #24993 Dated 9:59:15 11-12-91 -> 24998
From: PATRICK CULLITON
To: ALL
Re: G
Yesterday, Diego Domingo, Stanley Palm, Sidney Radner, and Manny and
Nan Weltman gathered at my home for an informal "Houdini Forum." An
extraordinary and wonderful afternoon.
Msg #24995 Dated 10:44:29 11-12-91 24981 <--> 25000
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Interesting that you would mention Tabby's list. I've been thinking
about reviewing it again lately. I want to compare it with some of my
recent reading.
Msg #24997 Dated 10:54:17 11-12-91 24985 <--> 25002
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
Windows is for sissys if you are a user - it ain't if you are a
developer.
Msg #24998 Dated 10:58:02 11-12-91 24993 <--> 25008
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICK CULLITON (X)
Re: G
Seems that you had QUITE a crowd there for the "informal Houdini
Forum," Patrick! Did everyone leave and run straight for their word
processors?
[NOTE: Message # 24499 was personal and does not appear here.]
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