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Msg #25000 Dated 13:25:13 11-12-91 -> 25009
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Re post tabman's list... good for new folk to know...
Msg #25002 Dated 13:26:01 11-12-91 -> 25022
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
Windows need windex... good name for use....
Msg #25004 Dated 15:11:48 11-12-91 -> 25005
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Durante is dead.
'W.
Msg #25005 Dated 15:13:11 11-12-91 -> 25006
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Sorry to burst your bubble, Pete....but the originator of the Crayola
Deluxe Assortment Nasal Index was Salvador Dali, who used it regularly
until, while checking the time one day, he accidentally inhaled and
started hallucinating melting clockfaces.
'W.
Msg #25006 Dated 15:18:44 11-12-91 -> 25013
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
If a bird really ate those "bread crumbs," Pete, catch him quick...he'd
be a great birdie for a badminton game!
'W.
Msg #25007 Dated 15:21:53 11-12-91 24887 <--> 25016
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONFERENCE ON MAGIC HISTO
Good thing you didn't say anything, as that actually IS a growth behind
his ear...he stashes the breadcrumb behind the OTHER one!
'W.
Msg #25008 Dated 15:23:06 11-12-91 24993 <--> 25035
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PATRICK CULLITON (X)
Re: G
Tell us more, Patrick! We'd love to hear some of the specifics, if
you'd share them with us.
'Wayne.
Msg #25009 Dated 16:28:23 11-12-91 -> 25017
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
I reread Weber and he doesn't say "Call me". He doesn't say
anything about permission. I don't even think you can infer that
from the wording.
.
My point on the watch item is that it isn't his to put in the
book, so how do I need his permission to use an item that I paid
$10.00 for? I should give the person who wrote up the item
_before_ Weber the cut in the action.
.
The same goes for the Pindemonium Routine. If I leave off the
final move.
.
I'll use some of your examples of non-magiclumpkins to further
question your reply.
.
Slydini - are the following his in effect and method?
Coins Through the Table
Linking Rings
.
Ricky Jay
McDonald Assembly with patter from Erdnase.
.
Gaeton Bloom
Ring Flite
.
Tamariz
Oil and Water
Baker Dictionary Test
.
I'll include two more
.
Fred Kaps
Chinese Sticks
Salt Pour
.
Copperfield
Misled
Bill in Envelopes
.
So it seems that some of the greats - and they are - use other
people's material.
.
I don't see anything wrong with this as almost all magicians use
material they have paid for or have been taught.
.
We all stand on the shoulders of giants.
Msg #25011 Dated 18:25:22 11-12-91 -> 25012
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: WHO
This is background for Cy Keller
.
Time in Magic - 55 yrs.
.
Heros - Early
.
Milbourne Christopher, Hen Fetsch. Both Baltimoreans.
Keith Clark, Roy Benson
.
Heros - Later
Vernon, LePaul, Hamman, Jennings etc.
.
Contributions
.
Effects in Hugard's Magic Monthly, Phoenix, Linking Ring.
.
Other
.
Lecture at Magic Castle and elsewhere.
Week in Magic Castle Closeup Room.
.
Misc.
.
Biro and I are probably the only ones on MAGIC! who are Benson
Fans. I saw Benson many times and still don't know the finish of
the Salt Pour. i.e. How to dispose of the gimmick.
.
Max maven and I have the same Apartment Number. 1106.
.
Who do I know?
.
Scotty York
Howie Schwarzman
Bill Wells
Frank Thompson (deceased)
Bob Sheets
Have met many others on occasion to trade items.
Msg #25012 Dated 18:29:06 11-12-91 25011 <--> 25045
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHO
You are in deep trouble with that crowd you hang out with. Benson and
the salt gimmick... will go look at the video and see what I can find.
Adios... I did have the pleasure of doing some magic for Benson in
Charlie Reynolds' apt. in new yawk... Great act, great guy... loved all
he ever did. Wish I could do an impression of him on a convention some
time... also need someone to do FLOSSO...
Msg #25013 Dated 18:30:31 11-12-91 25004 <--> 25014
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Melinda's mom, Bonnie, used to work with the Schnoz... if you go
to Melinda's show... get in touch... neat folks...
Msg #25014 Dated 18:30:35 11-12-91 25005 <--> 25015
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
They didn't melt until viewed. ARgh...
Msg #25015 Dated 18:30:37 11-12-91 25006 <--> 25024
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
A bird in the cup is worth two in the palm.
Msg #25016 Dated 18:30:40 11-12-91 25007 <--> 25107
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CONFERENCE ON MAGIC HISTO
The growth behind MY EAR is a Sony Walkman.
Msg #25017 Dated 18:30:43 11-12-91 25009 <--> 25019
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Lets see how much I can recall of your message.
Weber stated "call me" in a Panel Discussion at the PCAM, but not
in print, but he did write "without permission in writing" in his
book. The Lecture Notes, I believe stated "call me" as well.
.
His point being that what HE has created he wants credit for, and
basically SOME payment. He is reasonable and I believe paying for
material in a book is awfully cheap if you DO MAJOR TV AND CONCERT
WORK. For the average mage that does the odd club date, stuff for
his friends, and so on... he's not worried about it. He feels if
you are making real money the writer of material is due something.
.
Also much of this came from the CERVON "rights mess" that really
came down hard and was unknown until you broke the seal and opened
the book. Lifesavers DOES HAVE THE CLAUSE ON THE OUSIDE OF THE
BOOK ON THE BACK.
.
Slydini. No, Han Ping Chien goes back to the 1700s and beyond. He
only TEACHES his misdirection and routining and never claimed to
have invented the trick. Tony also never held back rights to do
anything he taught. Linking Rings... oldest known method. However
there are ORIGINAL routines that many have devised and it isn't
fair to COP thier presentations. Like Whit Haden's four ring
routine... Altho he now has it in print... I guess it is OK, as he
does not state NO TV use... so it is fair game now.
.
Ricky Jay... his Routine with the Queens "ala MacDonald Aces" is
partly Erdnase, partly his (patter) the moves are part his, part
Piet Forton and I am sure a few others... It would be STUPID to
present this, a signature trick with Ricky, in a like manner. Tho
there is nothing to stop one... the material is all public domain.
Guys like Ricky, and I don't blame him, get upset when THEY DEVELOP
or FIND something and make it work, and others just jump onto it
without having put in the time, effort and research.
.
Anyone's signature trick should be left along.
.
Ring Flite. Originated by Al Koran with a reel in the keycase. Many
have stolen THAT modus operandi. Tannen, Roth, etc. etc. Gaetan
devised a method for use without a pull. But no one sold the trick
with NO TV or big time useage...
.
I am a great fan of Gaetan, but don't think the thumb tip method is
very good as I never found a ring that would fit. And don't think
the original has been improved. He might use it and have success, or
it might just have been a "lecture item" and a "for sale" item???
Even BEFORE Koran the Flying Ring goes waaaay back, I have the
turn of the century aparatus (Wilmann and Martin ring pulls).
Fred Kaps did it by pure sleight of hand and never used the reel.
.
Tamariz. I don't think he claims the effects, just the presentation
he has devised. Again NO BODY, NO ONE ANYWHERE can present 'LIKE'
Juan... so it doesn't matter what he does. IT IS ALL HIM. I am
not familiar with the Dictionary effect, sorry. Might have seen it
at one time, but can't recall it as I don't go for that kind of
material and it slipped out of my memory bank.
.
Copperfield. Misled. I understand he paid for the use of it on TV.
And Wenk should have PAID HIM... I bet he sold $20,000 WORTH OF 'EM
AFTER DAVID DID IT ON HIS SPECIAL.
.
Seabrooke note in wallet. David (and correctly so) bought the trick
and ALL THE GAGS ETC. WERE IN PRINT WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS. The
trouble is SOME OF THE VERSIONS WERE RIPPED OFF and he got one of
those... THERE WAS NO TV CLAUSE in the instructions.
.
Matter of FACT... Seabrooke GAVE ME THE USA RIGHTS years ago...
before he ever came to this country. I used to do it all the time.
And actually wrote many of the gags and sent to Terry and he put my
gags INTO HIS ROUTINE!!!! When he started to come to the US, I, on
my own... decided to stop doing it, as it was HIS SIGNATURE EFFECT.
Thus, I wrote my own and if someone were to do what I came up with
I would be upset!!!!!
.
In the meantime, Seabrooke called Copperfield and they came to a
mutually agreed amount of compensation to Terry.
.
Kaps. This is a tough one. Fred, when he was very young, was
working as "MYSTICA".... and EVERYTHING he learned was from Henk
Vermeyden. Vermeyden came to the USA and saw material. He taught
some of this to Kaps... the Sticks and Salt Pour came from Roy
Benson. The sticks sequence was retained, but KAPS DID HIS OWN
PATTER... none of the Indian Guide stuff that Benson (one of my
heroes) devised. The Salt Pour was really Paul Fox's gaff and
working... and Fred didn't do it the same way (sequence, presenta-
tion) as Benson... It did bother me a bit, but Fred really changed
the PRESENTATION to fit him... and didn't really achieve a lot of
work and use of the stuff until AFTER BENSON passed away.
.
So... I hope I am accurate on all accounts... I have tried to
recall what I know.
.
Another misnomer with Copperfield was the levitation of a small
boy by putting his hand on the kid's head and he rose... some said
this was taken from Fechner. Wrong, it came from another person in
Europe.
.
When you see his new show and the Flying... the basic is as John
Gaughan design (1984) and the STYLE, MOVES, ACTIONS AND USE OF THE
GLASS CONTAINER are all David and his staff creations.
.
The new part, where (I did not see this yet) he dances with a girl
from the audience is his. He visited Lance Burton to describe
what he was going to do to see if it was OK WITH LANCE (Lance
levitates himself and a woman) -- Lance said "Does she lay on top
of you naked?" David said, "NO"... Lance said, "OK by me, go for it"
... so you see they do communicate. In this day of litigations and
a growing awareness of the originators of THIER RIGHTS it is going
to change.
.
ALL MAGI THAT USE TAPED MUSIC are soon going to be hit with bills
from ASCAP AND BMI for payment to the copyright holders of the
music.
.
That is why I have been preaching to find a writer, have your own
original music written and recorded and pay for the full rights.
.
It is the PROFESSIONAL WAY.
.
Whew... lots to think about.
g
Msg #25019 Dated 19:34:11 11-12-91 25000 <--> 25020
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Yes, I think that the existance of his list should be mentioned from
time to time. I'm going to try to work on the files area and get it
back into shape, now that we have some room.
Msg #25020 Dated 19:41:06 11-12-91 25017 <--> 25039
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
It would seem that the significance of intellectual property is also
being discussed outside of magic. The following is from the National
Science Foundation Bulletin (Vol. 19, No. 3, November, 1991):
"Global Dimensions of Intellectual Property Rights in S&T
"A major conference on "The Global Dimensions of Intellectual Property
Rights in Science and Technology" will be held at the National Academy
of Sciences, in Washington, D.C., on January 8th and 9th, 1992. The
conference will examine policy issues at the interface of science and
technology (S&T) and intellectual property rights (IPR) - issues that
are becoming increasing important in an era of rapid change in S&T,
international trade, and competitiveness. THe conference, which has
NSF support, will be of interest to professionals and practitioners in
fields of science, engineering, intellectual property, economics, law,
international relations, technology transfer, and development.
"Those interested in attending the conference should call Robin Schoen
at the National Academy of Sciences (334-2236)."
Msg #25022 Dated 19:47:19 11-12-91 25002 <--> 25029
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
GREAT NAME, Biro! I'll be someone is already working on it though!
Msg #25024 Dated 19:49:18 11-12-91 25004 <--> 25026
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Oh crud! When did that happen?
Msg #25026 Dated 19:50:09 11-12-91 25005 <--> 25030
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Dali hid the gaff in his 'stache.
Msg #25027 Dated 19:49:28 11-12-91
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: WHO
+
Msg #25029 Dated 19:54:34 11-12-91 25002 <--> 25071
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
By the way, I think Windex would be the perfect name for a Window's
Database!
Msg #25030 Dated 19:55:07 11-12-91 25015 <--> 25033
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
"A bird in the cup is worth two in the palm"!!! THAT has got to be one
of the funniest lines I've seen on here! (T A's chair breakers are of
an entirely different sort).
Msg #25031 Dated 20:17:15 11-12-91 -> 25074
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YO BRO
Will be travelin next two days will catch you when I get back on
Friday. Take er easy!!!!!
Msg #25033 Dated 20:38:37 11-12-91 25030 <--> 25036
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
"a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
but a hand in the bush is worth two birds any old day!"
Msg #25035 Dated 20:45:34 11-12-91 -> 25037
From: PATRICK CULLITON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: G
to: Wayne Powers and David Lichtman (et al) -- It was as I've said
fascinating -- particularly for me some really excellent card work of
the platform variety including some front and back work by Houdini on
video tape + some wonderful card productions and second and bottom
dealing by Sid Radner. Is everyone out there aware of HH & Sidney's
formidable skill with the pasteboards? Sidney raised our collective
consciousness about the Houdini museum in Appleton which can count on
donations from all of us. Weltman brought the HH footage and also HH's
1916 diary. Domingo brought two boxes of relatively priceless
conversation pieces, but it was a comic book that most delighted
me. Diego hadn't noticed that the star of one of the strips was Sidney
Radner -- the card cheat catcher. By the by, the coauthor of our
article "The Other Houdini" -- my wife Tracey Williams -- opens next
Tuesday at the Grand Hotel Dinner Theater in Anaheim as Guenevere in
"Camelot."
Msg #25036 Dated 21:04:33 11-12-91 25033 <--> 25043
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Sorry, Scott, but it lacks the cachet of Pete's line.
Msg #25037 Dated 21:06:25 11-12-91 25035 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PATRICK CULLITON (X)
Re: G
Thanks for the full report, Patrick! It sounds like y'all had a good
time. And our best to your wife - I'm a bit too far north of Anaheim,
or we'd come see her performance.
Msg #25038 Dated 21:07:16 11-12-91 -> 25076
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE LECTURES
I know that this doesn't apply to everyone and that it is "local chit
chat" but I understand that the Tony Giorgio lecture at the Magic
Castle, originally scheduled for November 24th, has bee indefinitely
postponed. No reason was given.
Msg #25039 Dated 22:46:34 11-12-91 -> 25059
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
As long as I can find one coin, rock or other small object I can do at
least a half dozen tricks! Maybe not miracles but it would have some
semblance of entertainment on the spur of the moment. Now just give me
a deck of cards and in a few hours I can make that "semblance of enter-
tainment" vanish!
Msg #25040 Dated 23:06:42 11-12-91 -> 25042
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: PARTY
On Wednesday, December 18th my wife and I will be hosting a party at
Bobby McGees restaurant in Burbank. There will be all the hors
d'oeuvers you can eat and drinks will be $1. This will be from 5 to 8
P.M. Anyone who would like to come please call me no later than
December 5th so we can tell them how much to cook. A maximum of 250
people can attend. (fire code regulations) I hope to hear from some
of you if you can make it!
Msg #25042 Dated 23:25:31 11-12-91 25040 <--> 25120
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PARTY
Er, Stan - What's the gaff? Put more politely, is there a reason for
the party? Or did you and your wife just decide to be generous to the
Greater Los Angeles area by feeding the first 250 people who could beat
a path to Bobby McGee's door?
Msg #25043 Dated 23:26:38 11-12-91 25036 <--> 25062
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
how bout a bird in the hand can be awful messy!
Msg #25044 Dated 23:27:41 11-12-91
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ALL
Re: JAMES HAMILTON
any seen his act yet? earliy parlor
Msg #25045 Dated 23:31:20 11-12-91 25011 <--> 25046
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHO
By no means are you and Biro the only Benson devotees on this board.
Msg #25046 Dated 23:31:47 11-12-91 25012 <--> 25063
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO
The Benson work on the salt gimmick has never been published; it
deserves to be kept under wraps.
Msg #25048 Dated 23:41:46 11-12-91
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PUBLIC DOMAIN
I think you're being a bit too cavalier in using the term "public
domain" to describe the elements in Ricky Jay's queen-assembly routine.
More to the point, of course, is the fact that even if those elements
_were_ public domain (and, I contend, they are not), the way in which
they have been put together is clearly Ricky's own, and thus not up for
grabs.
The background on David Copperfield and Terry Seabrooke is rather more
complicated than what you mention; ditto the situation with Lance.
And how do you define the glass box idea in DC's levitation as being
original when Barclay Shaw established it long before?
Fred's salt pour was explicitly derived from Roy Benson's -- the long
pour began with Benson, not with Fox.
Msg #25055 Dated 0:22:46 11-13-91 -> 25102
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
I am going to have to do something I hate to do. I am actually going
to put a DEADLINE out for ticket reservations for the David Copperfield
show. I know how much most of us hate the "D" word, but things being
as they are.... If you haven't received a letter from me by now, I
don't have you on my list. Please contact me if you can make the show.
Again, the prices are $31.50 a piece, and there may be a 10% discount.
I am going to make the reservations based on the information I have as
of midnight tonight (11/13/91)
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25056 Dated 0:46:44 11-13-91 24456 <--> 25081
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
If the glass has many facets to reflect light, you might get away
with it. Particuliarily if you don't have a spot light directly on yo
u.
Msg #25057 Dated 0:46:47 11-13-91 24785 <--> 25094
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ED MARLO
Yes I agree, magi of the future can look back into the past electroni
cally by accessing the archives of MAGIC!. I do hope you have saved
the archives in another location.
Msg #25059 Dated 1:13:27 11-13-91 25009 <--> 25060
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Just an observation -- that bit about Ricky doing the "patter from
Erdnase" -- that is the jumpoff point to be sure, but if you compare it
with the actual text you will find that RJ's patter is significantly
altered and expanded.
Msg #25060 Dated 1:16:37 11-13-91 25017 <--> 25065
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Another grumbly note: the Seabrooke note in wallet routine is actually
Eric Williams -- it appeared in an early Abra. Certainly Seabrooke
popularized it and added many gags, but the basic situation and routine
is Williams'.
Msg #25062 Dated 1:22:19 11-13-91 25043 <--> 25064
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
I think Shimada could verify that line!
Msg #25063 Dated 1:22:06 11-13-91 25011 <--> 25066
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHO
Oh, I think there are a LOT of Benson fans out there; I certainly am
one, and did a whole lot of his stuff from Phoenix. I met Benson at
Dr. Jaks funeral, of all places, and he was a fascinating and very
funny man. With Connye, his wife, he did an absolutely dazzling
oriental act -- rice bowls, manips with crystals -- stunning.
Msg #25064 Dated 4:14:21 11-13-91 25013 <--> 25073
From: DOUG SMITH
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Mr. Biro...You mentioned that one should contact Melinda if one was
to attend theshow.As one of the lumpkens it seems that the performer
would rather be left alone. What is the correct etiquette? Does one
ask for a photgraph ? Autograph? If we were to desire a photgraph,
who does one contact at the show?....In my own field I have no problem
as I may have something to offer, but I like to respect the performers
right of privacy. But I can also appreciate kind words and respect
that could come with compliments....In my own way I have passed up on
the opportunity to shake hands with Nobel Prize winners just tosay that
I have shook their hands...As Ihave mentioned before, three ofus will
be In LV at end of December and will seeing her show if she is not dark
t week. Thanks for any insights.
Msg #25065 Dated 5:43:12 11-13-91 25017 <--> 25069
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
My question is - If something in the book has been in print or is
in public domain - what do we owe the creator.
.
Weber and Cervon have these messages in the front if the book-
which many people dont read - How do we deal with them?
.
My main point in my message was that the people you mentioned
were not as original as you suggested. Everyone uses something-
and has a right to - that others have created. This is what makes
the Art of Magic advance. Where would we be if all of these
people had never performed these routines?
.
Where would we be if the Elmsley Count had been kept by those in
the Underground? I'm sure those who hate packet tricks would
think we would be better off, but the development of magic made
great leaps.
.
Not all of the things in Life Savers are Weber's. He gives credit
in many places, but as far as I can see has not received
permission to reprint the ideas. "Swatch This" is not credited;
and I paid $10.00 for the idea. How can he insist that I need his
permission to perform?
Msg #25066 Dated 5:43:40 11-13-91 25045 <--> 25067
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHO
Glad to hear that there are many who were Benson fans. I'm
constantly irritated by people who mention the Don Allen Bowl
Routine. Roy was a _great_ performer who showed that being a
comic performer did not mean that you did not have to be a good
technician.
Msg #25067 Dated 5:43:51 11-13-91 25063 <--> 25078
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHO
Your mention of Stanley Jaks mad me realize that I forgot to
mention his influence on me. At one point Hen Fetsch and I were
into developing ideas in the Jaks mode. We went to Magic Shops -
the ones that sold talismans and John the Conqueror Roots etc. -
to get props. I carved my own scarab for the Brainwave routine.
The effect Brahman Bell I contributed to the Phoenix was a Jaks
type effect.
Msg #25069 Dated 8:14:18 11-13-91 25020 <--> 25077
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Sounds like my theory is true. Too many people. Too many rats. Too
many monkeys at keyboards. We've run outa space. Many are becomed
paranoid... argh... the end is near.
Msg #25071 Dated 8:14:25 11-13-91 25022 <--> 25072
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
What GREAT NAME? I use IMP remember and anything a day ago is gone
from my memory forever... did I say Argh yet today?
Msg #25072 Dated 8:14:28 11-13-91 25029 <--> 25097
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
Oh, Windex... yegh, I have copywrit it.
Msg #25073 Dated 8:14:31 11-13-91 25030 <--> 25075
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Trouble is my bird in the palm is not a tree.
Msg #25074 Dated 8:14:33 11-13-91 25031 <--> 25263
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YO BRO
Bet I know where use is gon...
Msg #25075 Dated 8:14:36 11-13-91 25033 <--> 25085
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
A Quail in the Bush?
Msg #25076 Dated 8:14:39 11-13-91 25038 <--> 25098
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE LECTURES
I just hope the Girogio "book" is not postponed... He has much to
offer.
Msg #25077 Dated 8:14:42 11-13-91 25039 <--> 25082
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
I dig... That's why I stopped learning card tricks. I do about 5 of
them and it is adios pasteboards! None of which require any kind of
memory by the viewers. Jumping Jacks, Triumph, Bullet, Card on
Forehead, short ambitious -- and if they really like cards wind up
with a Poker Deal. E NUFF.
Msg #25078 Dated 8:14:49 11-13-91 25045 <--> 25079
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHO
I knew you liked Benson's work... just didn't want to presume...
Am sure there are others, like Wells... (actually I would venture
to guess that ANYONE that ever saw him perform would have become
a lifetime fan). Latest anecdote: Benson was booked to do a big
money show for Reynolds Aluminum... they flew him to the city they
were meeting in... by the time the show was to begin the audience
consisted of nearly all enebriated bodies... Roy handed out the
rings and one guy, holding a ring, was dead drunk, fell over and
put a DEATH GRIP on the ring. Roy couldn't get it out of his hands
no matter how hard he tried!
Msg #25079 Dated 8:15:00 11-13-91 25046 <--> 25084
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHO
You might be right... I thought it was in a set of lecture notes
that I have... hmmmmm (can't look at the video, as my BETA machine
is outa whack!)
Msg #25081 Dated 8:15:44 11-13-91 25056 <--> 25122
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Abbott's (wherever they are) sold a beautiful "fluted" mirror glass.
And a series of gaffed glasses, all made with the same basic glass.
They probably "found" these and adapted them. I used to have a set
of them, but traded 'em away... tsk.
One might look for some and make your own. Glue Mylar onto any
surface and seal it with silicone for a waterproof version.
Msg #25082 Dated 8:15:51 11-13-91 25059 <--> 25083
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Ricky even has a line about the Queen going to Windsor, that is a
tribute to the memory of Ken Brooke. Ken used the line in his
Dutch Looper presentation.
Msg #25083 Dated 8:15:55 11-13-91 25060 <--> 25087
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Eric "Nitwit" Williams? A name I have loved almost as much as
Larry Grey, the "Dizzy Wizzard" -- of whom I was a great fan...
.
Remember. There is NOTHING NEW anyway... the Chinese did everything
first, they just forgot to write it down.
Msg #25084 Dated 8:16:01 11-13-91 25063 <--> 25088
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHO
Never did see the act with Connye... but have read that it was a
killer. Benson did a close up vanish of a large stack of Half Dollar
pieces, that he had rested on his lifted knee... very unusual and
a real fooler! I couldn't figure it out to save my soul.
Msg #25085 Dated 8:16:07 11-13-91 25064 <--> 25092
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
No one does not like to hear from true fans. When they stop asking
for you, or your autograph... that is when you start to worry.
.
I will suggest you leave a message here to Geno Munari, who is
very close to Melinda and her mother...
Msg #25087 Dated 8:16:32 11-13-91 25065 <--> 25095
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
You make some good points. I don't have the research or memory,
to know what is and what isn't his in the book.
.
It is not an easy call. Evolution surely is important, you are
correct.
.
Let me cite two examples that I feel are worthy of note.
.
Jim Steinmeyer says, of whether or not a trick is changed enough
to be called "new" (THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO A GUY THAT SAID HE
CHANGED THE ORIGAMI BOX)... "Can you do the trick on the same show
as the original trick and the audience percieves it to be a
DIFFERENT trick?"
.
Milt Larsen said, "Magic is like music. It is OK for someone to
do the same trick as another, as long, as like in music, the
arrangement is not the same." He likes to see what different,
creative people do with effects that others do. Hmmmmmm
.
Again, there is really nothing new. And I just don't really have
any answer, other than people have to use common sense, judgement
and their conscience when they work. And this doesn't mean just in
magic.
Msg #25088 Dated 8:16:54 11-13-91 25066 <--> 25156
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHO
If you hear Johnny Thompson and I refer to the Bowl Routine, we
usually call it the Benson routine... although the Japanese
version pre dated Roy by a few Centuries...
.
And I guess they stole it from the Chinese... who forgot to write
books!
Msg #25089 Dated 8:17:07 11-13-91 -> 25099
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: ARGH
Did it again... here online answering messages and burnt the bottom out
of another tea kettle. I guess the kid is going deaf on the high
notes. Need a kettle that BARKS. Argh... fooo... yuk, back to microwave
coffee and tea...
Msg #25092 Dated 9:17:22 11-13-91 25073 <--> 25106
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
I realize that. The line does not apply equally well to all birds, but
it is rather funny in a magical context. Must remember to make sure
that Johnny Ace Palmer sees it.
Msg #25094 Dated 9:23:00 11-13-91 25057 <--> 25116
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ED MARLO
Right now the MAGIC! archives are, unfortunately, in the same facility
as the system itself. We are working on storing a backup set elsewhere
as well. There are several people, yourself included (?), who have
almost complete or complete sets, so I believe that the system could be
reconstructed. The program software is backed up off-site.
We have also been working, albeit slowly, on cross-training a backup
sysop.
Msg #25095 Dated 9:30:28 11-13-91 25069 <--> 25109
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Hmmm... You are hitting a chord with me, Biro. I decided to take a
break from magic books, so right now I'm rereading John Brunner's The
Shockwave Rider (1975, Harper & Row). In it he postulates a future
based on the things you are suggesting. Not a very cheerful book, but
one I have always found to be most profound.
Here is a possible "Lifesaver" (the title of this thread [?]) for you
- the new "three is a crowd" law went into effect in Santa Monica
today. If you are waiting to use the rest room and there are three
people in line, you can go use the other rest room. BUT if there are
not three people waiting, you face a $500 fine for illegal rest room
switching. I can see it now, "But officer, there WERE three people
there a moment ago..."
Msg #25097 Dated 9:41:01 11-13-91 25072 <--> 25110
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
Yeah, Databases are hardly my thing, but that title (Windex) is just
TOO good!
Msg #25098 Dated 9:41:36 11-13-91 25076 <--> 25143
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE LECTURES
I hope it (the Giorgio book) isn't posponed either. Only thing I got
was that the lecture was postponed. Don't want to start a rumor mill.
Msg #25099 Dated 9:45:59 11-13-91 25089 <--> 25111
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ARGH
Oh, great, Biro. Now you have two decorative wall hangings. Maybe you
can name the melted kettles Ma and Pa?
Msg #25102 Dated 11:04:04 11-13-91 25055 <--> 25117
From: EVAN KATZ
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Haven't received a letter from you yet, unless you mean a message here!
I'm assuming from our communication, however, that you've got me down
for two tickets. And thanks for organizing this!
Msg #25104 Dated 11:26:22 11-13-91 -> 25112
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Did you ever get around to checking out if DC at the Wilton was going
to do his flying act?
Did you ever get the crayon out?
Msg #25106 Dated 14:13:13 11-13-91 25013 <--> 25108
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Durante's schnoz was so big, that people in the next studio worked with
him!
'W.
Msg #25107 Dated 14:14:27 11-13-91 25016 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONFERENCE ON MAGIC HISTO
ARRGGHHH!<-------Stereo------->ARRGGHHH!
'W.
Msg #25108 Dated 14:15:40 11-13-91 25026 <--> 25113
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Dali's 'stache WAS the gaff!
'W.
Msg #25109 Dated 15:28:05 11-13-91 25095 <--> 25124
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
In Europe, at sporting events (and hey on all aircraft) they ain't
no sign on the door. Just folks grown up enuf to use the facilites
for what Nature calls fo'...
Msg #25110 Dated 15:28:09 11-13-91 25097 <--> 25127
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
Windextra? Windexpert? Windextrous? All mine... ahrgh
Msg #25111 Dated 15:28:12 11-13-91 25099 <--> 25128
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ARGH
I KNEW YOU WOULD SAY THAT... NO WAY JOSE... MA AND PA KETTLE...
ENUF TO SEND ME TO COMPUSERVE!
Msg #25112 Dated 15:28:15 11-13-91 25104 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
My crayon weegee board say: "YEP plan A is for the Cop to fly in
LaLand..." go for it...
Msg #25113 Dated 15:28:19 11-13-91 25106 <--> 25125
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
So was his talent!
Msg #25116 Dated 15:39:17 11-13-91 25094 <--> 25130
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ED MARLO
+aDavid,
If I sent you some 3.5'' 1.44 meg disks, would it be possible to
get a backup of the board? I would love to go through and read
all the old messages, and this would also give you a backup.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25117 Dated 15:39:22 11-13-91 25102 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Evan,
Yes, I meant a message here. Okay, great! I have you down for 2
tickets. Thanks for responding!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25120 Dated 16:07:35 11-13-91 25042 <--> 25131
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARTY
Reason? Well, have you heard about Amway? Just kidding!!
Actually, my wife won the evening for something or other she entered.
We don't know 250 people which is why I invited anyone and everyone who
is remotely interested to go. We scheduled it close to Christmas so it
would be sort of a holiday party. It will be mostly either
international bankers (my wifes work) or Postal employees (my work).
Two groups that have absolutely nothing in common!
I may have failed to mention that we are each given two tickets to buy
any drinks for a dollar each. After that it is regular prices.
For two bux you can have a couple of drinks and a meal of appetizers.
They have a dance floor and a DJ but I am unsure as to what time they
start. Once again, I would have to know by December 5th how many would
like to attend so they know how much to cook.
Msg #25122 Dated 16:24:27 11-13-91 25056 <--> 25123
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
I'll look for a diamond encrusted mirror glass. Seriously, thanks for
the tip. I'll be looking for a good multi-faceted glass soon.
Msg #25123 Dated 16:26:19 11-13-91 25081 <--> 25167
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Do you mean that plain old mylar glued to the proper surface has
sufficienand clean enough reflectivity to be a good mirror glass?
It sounds easy enough to make and save myself a few dollars.
Msg #25124 Dated 16:32:06 11-13-91 25077 <--> 25126
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
'Scuse my ignorance. Whate the effects of the card tricks known as
"Jumping Jacks" and "Bullet". I could try and look them up buit's
easier to just ask. Besides- I'm lazy!
Msg #25125 Dated 16:46:35 11-13-91 25108 <--> 25136
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
Dali was a gaff.
Msg #25126 Dated 16:48:29 11-13-91 25109 <--> 25157
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Europeans, in general, have a better handle on social practices vs.
government regulation. Without reproducing it here, I would commend
you to an article, "Smoking Permitted," by William E. Schmidt, the New
York Times London correspondent. In it he points out that many
Europeans see much of our culture as one that "too easily surrenders
itself, en masse, to the reigning health fad or fashion." He mentions
that "When President Bush was felled a few months ago by his heart
flutters, since attributed to a disorder of his thyroid gland, one of
the themes that ran through the British press coverage was a kind of
puzzlement bordering on indignation that a man of Mr. Bush's advanced
age would imperil himself and the whole of the Western alliance by
insisting on jogging."
Msg #25127 Dated 16:57:09 11-13-91 25110 <--> 25160
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
Nope - stick with Windex - the others is too windy.
Msg #25128 Dated 16:57:33 11-13-91 25111 <--> 25137
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ARGH
Hey! I LIKE Ma and Pa Kettle!
Msg #25130 Dated 16:59:34 11-13-91 25116 <--> 25315
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ED MARLO
Let me get everything running right and then ask me again!
Msg #25131 Dated 17:01:09 11-13-91 25120 <--> 25237
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PARTY
Your wife WON the evening!!! THAT is great! Will talk with my wife
and see if we can make it - December 18th, right? Any chance we can
talk you into performing that night?
Msg #25136 Dated 18:27:22 11-13-91 25075 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PETE BIRO
I'm Bushed too!
Msg #25137 Dated 18:28:48 11-13-91 25089 <--> 25169
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ARGH
I plugged my microwave into the VCR and now I get HOT TV!!
Msg #25138 Dated 19:12:28 11-13-91 -> 25148
From: GARY PLANTS
To: ALL
Re: MICHAEL FINNEY
Michael Finney will be on TV Saturday night at midnight (EST) on Comic
Strip Live. Enjoy.
Msg #25143 Dated 19:16:57 11-13-91 25098 <--> 25172
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE LECTURES
This should be good.......
Msg #25148 Dated 20:07:18 11-13-91 25138 <--> 25171
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: MICHAEL FINNEY
Thanks for the television alert, Gary. Really appreciate it!
Msg #25152 Dated 22:35:18 11-13-91 -> 25165
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BOBO
Bobo's address is: J. B. Bobo, Route 3 Box 244 D8, Texarakana, TX
75501. Enjoy.
Charlie
Msg #25155 Dated 22:36:23 11-13-91 -> 25173
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: COLLECTORS
Wayne, what was your favorite spot(s) from the Collector's weekend?
Buy any great stuff? I've been busy, haven't been able to get on here
as much as I'd like. Also, I've got pink eye right now, which isn't
all that bad, just irritating! I take you've been keeping busy.
Later.
Charlie
Msg #25156 Dated 23:26:28 11-13-91 25067 <--> 25158
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHO
I think my favorite title from the Phoenix days was You Do As Cy Do.
Msg #25157 Dated 23:27:23 11-13-91 25083 <--> 25159
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Oh, there's new stuff; it just is not always quite as new as we think.
Msg #25158 Dated 23:27:58 11-13-91 25084 <--> 25175
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHO
the Benson coin move is called Banished, I believe; he showed it to me
back in NY. The problem with it is that you have to be a smoker for
the move to be really convincing...
Msg #25159 Dated 23:30:13 11-13-91 25065 <--> 25168
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
I think it very doubtful that any of these restrictions could be upheld
in a court case -- but that is sort of beside the point. The question
is -- can you publish something in a book and still retain restrictions
about its performance? Certainly you retain manufacturing (commercial)
rights -- but beyond that it gets cloudy. My own feeling is that if
you want big bucks for someone doing it on TV then YOU DON'T PUT IT IN
PRINT; you keep it exclusive.
I also feel -- as I indicated elliptically in my Genii piece -- that
an inventor has the right to do what he or she wants with a creation,
and the prospective buyer can make a decision based on that -- as long
as the understanding is up front.
Msg #25160 Dated 23:42:12 11-13-91 25072 <--> 25176
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
In my PSYCHL, (c) 1983 -- I have an effect called WINDECKS...
Msg #25165 Dated 0:29:49 11-14-91 25152 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOBO
Charlie,
Thank you so much for the address! I will write Mr. Bobo a
letter first thing in the morning. (Well, actually, it is first
thing in the morning now, but you know what I mean.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25166 Dated 0:29:54 11-14-91 -> 25183
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
Hey all!
After getting some excellent advice from our courageous sysop, I
called the Wiltern theater and spoke with someone from group
sales. This woman was EXTREMLY helpful. She had me reserve 25
seats, although we only have 20 reservations from our members.
She said that as long as we have a minimum of 20 people, we can
reduce the 25 seats to whatever. This means that if you have a
last minute guest (last minute meaning after my deadline, not
Sat. Nov. 30) please contact me. I am VERY pleased with how
everything is going, and am looking forward to the day with worms
on my tongue. (baited breath?)
The following members are planning on attending:
David Lichtman
Stan Lake
Jerry Burton
Evan Katz
and of course, Kevin E. Curtin
This group of people should be worth the price of admission on
its own! So not only do you get to spend the day with a MAGIC!
group, you also get to see David Copperfield!
If all people who have reserved tickets with me would send $28.55
per ticket to me, I will pay the bill, and we will all go to see
a great show on a great day.
Send all checks to:
Kevin E. Curtin
3058 Flanders
Riverside, CA 92507
I will then pool the checks, and send the Wiltern one check for
the whole shebang.
Thanks to everyone who has made this a fun excursion to
coordinate!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25167 Dated 0:46:09 11-14-91 25123 <--> 25356
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
Should do it... go fer it....
Msg #25168 Dated 0:46:12 11-14-91 25124 <--> 25174
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Jumping Jacks is in"Tricks You Can Count On" by Vern Chesboro and
Larry West. The "Bullet" is in Ken Krenzel's book. My rule... if
you are interested enuf you will look 'em up.
Msg #25169 Dated 0:46:17 11-14-91 25128 <--> 25184
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ARGH
I like both of them, but not as names of a mistake... dude...
Msg #25171 Dated 0:46:26 11-14-91 25138 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: MICHAEL FINNEY
I just saw Finney "live" locally... veddy funyeh... How you doin?
Msg #25172 Dated 0:46:28 11-14-91 25143 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CASTLE LECTURES
You gonna come to San Fran? Let me know...
Msg #25173 Dated 0:46:31 11-14-91 25155 <--> 25477
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: COLLECTORS
You tell folks, "Pink eyes is from this girl hitting it with her
toe".... Mine has just about cleared up.
Msg #25174 Dated 0:46:34 11-14-91 25157 <--> 25236
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Two Shay!
Msg #25175 Dated 0:46:37 11-14-91 25158 <--> 25331
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHO
I know, the cig IS the misdirection. Great tho.... but not fo' me.
Msg #25176 Dated 0:46:40 11-14-91 25160 <--> 25181
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CPU
One of these days will try to catch up on all your printed stuff
and dig it...
Msg #25177 Dated 3:44:57 11-14-91 -> 25186
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: TELIX
Help!!! Is there anyone who has a Telix script for downloading
i.e RC;*, and uploading messages.
Msg #25178 Dated 3:46:55 11-14-91 -> 25185
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: WHAT
Here are the effects I use.
Linking Pins (Slydini)
Triumph
Copper-silver-brass
Card under the ashtray
Card in the wallet
Cigarette through Quarter (with feather)
Four Ace routine (Hoffman) etc. < |<
Msg #25179 Dated 4:09:38 11-14-91 -> 25188
From: DOUG SMITH
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MELINDA
Thanks Mr. Biro. The information is appreciated. The three months on
M A G I C have been great and have done much to increase my
appreciation for magic, increase my knowledge, and increase my desire
to know more. Most important it did a lot to improve my talk to high
school teachers and now it has given us a chance to increase our fun in
LV.
Msg #25181 Dated 6:08:37 11-14-91 25160 <--> 25189
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CPU
Shoot! "Windecks" was my second choice if I couldn't use "Windex." I
figured "Windecks" could be written for the Mac, using a Hypercard
stack.
Msg #25183 Dated 6:13:30 11-14-91 25166 <--> 25301
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
GREAT, Kevin! I really appreciate your coordinating this and I'm
looking forward to seeing some of our MAGIC! members at this gathering.
Msg #25184 Dated 6:15:16 11-14-91 25169 <--> 25190
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ARGH
Get a 49-MHz "baby monitor" radio set - place the transmitter near the
teakettle and carry the receiver with you.
Msg #25185 Dated 6:17:10 11-14-91 25178 <--> 25187
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHAT
Cy - When you say "Cigarette through Quarter (with feather)" do you
mean that you use the feather in lieu of the cigarette? Or in addition
to it?
Msg #25186 Dated 8:00:24 11-14-91 25177 <--> 25209
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TELIX
Not sure what Telix is... but RDMAGIC (or IMP) is downloadable
here online that I use to download all in a flash... and write
replies offline and upload with a keystroke or three. David should
be able to clue you in... try it you'll like it.
Msg #25187 Dated 8:00:29 11-14-91 25178 <--> 25191
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHAT
Looks like good solid stuff. Are you familiar with Karrell Fox
handling of cigarette (or whatever) thru quarter? He has a gal
hold the coin on top of a beer or soda bottle. He tells her to
close her eyes. Pushes cigarette thru and into bottle. (Like a
Powers of Darkness/Paper Balls over the head) and then tells her
to ask others how he did it. When they say "He pushed it thru
the quarter" she don't believe, of course. Good stuff.
Msg #25188 Dated 8:00:37 11-14-91 25179 <--> 25260
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: MELINDA
KNOCK OF THE "MR".... this is a friendly place, no formalities
allowed ;-)
(Unless you are younger than I am and did not achieve military
rank above PFC). ;+)
Msg #25189 Dated 8:00:43 11-14-91 25181 <--> 25211
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
Didn't know you were ever Hyper.... I know you are a card!
Msg #25190 Dated 8:00:45 11-14-91 25184 <--> 25212
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ARGH
I have devised a better way using an old pair of handcuffs I have
laying about.... but thanks.
Msg #25191 Dated 8:00:49 11-14-91 25185 <--> 25210
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT
He uses the Feather instead of the Quarter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
Actually, I would like to get the gaff made ala Mike Weber using a
key. Nice handling available and a feather looks more like a key
than a quarter!
.
Seriously, folk. It might make a good routine to use the Quarter
ala Karrell Fox, then do a swap and stuff the quarter inside the
bottle... (someone makes a folding key too if you are into key
theme magic).
.
I have a seven keys to baldpate (someone will not like that word)
in which I have the lock on a beautiful replica of an olde English
Chastity Belt... the dude with the correct key gets to keep the
girl holding the belt... Ken Brooke was to release this with my
routine but had his stroke and passed away before a series of items
he had planned to release were completed. Also had a "Nemo Rope"
act... All will be in book II. (Eleven? No two)
Msg #25192 Dated 8:01:07 11-14-91 -> 25205
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIROSE
Ee;25185
Just got a tape from Japan with notes from Yoshio Hirose. I assume
this was the lad you mentioned to me. There was no letter or any
information within and I have not had a chance (will today) to veiw
the tape. Hopefully there will be a covering letter in separate
envelope. I know the "printed/other article" rate he sent the tape
doesn't allow 1st class within.
Msg #25193 Dated 8:01:16 11-14-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: FINNEY TV
Ee;25185
I seem to recall, during last nights, late, rapid fire conversation
with Michael Finney that HE DOES NOT DO ANY MAGIC on his TV shot
this weekend. Matter of fact his act last night was 80-percent
stand up and he did only two effects in an hour. His rope routine
(with a new-to-me killer finish) and a card trick.
Msg #25196 Dated 9:50:13 11-14-91 -> 25215
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Incentive program! I like the idea...let us see, what could you
offer? Free lessons from Nathan, assorted used computer parts, maybe
Biro would contribute a small tome of one-liners, Tabman might be
able to donate some used packing boxes. You might have the beginning
of something here.....what I don't know...but a start at least.
Msg #25197 Dated 9:50:28 11-14-91 -> 25206
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
I would agree wholeheartedly. The skull I presently own is filled
with more odds and ends than anything of substance.
Msg #25200 Dated 9:51:43 11-14-91 -> 25304
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Score another one for the Irish....
....at least as in pubs used in jokes, that is.
Msg #25203 Dated 9:52:31 11-14-91 -> 25207
From: BILL WELLS
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: INN EVENT
The Inn Event is indeed NOT one of the more inexpensive magic events
to attend. One doesn't eat like that without paying.
Charlie....it is NO assumption that the IBM Convention will be
another great one! This should be a very nice convention in a very
friendly site with lower prices than many of the larger cities on
either coast. Pete has some very exciting talent and special events
for the shows that will only be done at the IBM. We have a lovely
jewel of a theatre within a very short walk of the headquarters hotel
and a walkway from the hotel to an enclosed shopping mall just beside
Temple Square. The committee will be in SLC for its preconvention
planning visit the first weekend in December and I will let you know
more after that.
Msg #25205 Dated 12:07:49 11-14-91 25192 <--> 25208
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HIROSE
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a letter from Hirose; my guess is
that he expects you to go through me as a middleman, to avoid the
effort of writing English. (He speaks enough to communicate, but it's
not his strong point.) At any rate, watch the tape and let me know what
you think. I was impressed when I saw the new act in Osaka some weeks
back, and as I mentioned upon my return I think this would go over very
well at an IBM convention.
Msg #25206 Dated 13:07:32 11-14-91 25197 <--> 26028
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
A shrink I know hase a glass heads filled with pills as decor in
his office. Looks gooooooooood.
Msg #25207 Dated 13:07:36 11-14-91 25203 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: INN EVENT
Waddya mean NO assumption... what kind of PR man are you, dude?
Msg #25208 Dated 13:07:38 11-14-91 25205 <--> 25213
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HIROSE
I liked the tape. The fire cascading ala Coin Ladder is perfect for
a magician audience. His material is all fine. I would book him on
what I have seen. (Less Zombie would be better!!!)
.
So... just need to find out the $$$$ side of things. If you can,
see what he can do it for.
.
I love his pencil thru the dollar bill in his lecture notes. Will
fool the crap out of those with Misled. Do you know is it "Miss
Lead" or "Missled" that Wenk uses as the pronunciation?
.
I just am not up on the air travel from Japan these days. The other
thing you can mention to him is that IF SEEN ON NHK we will pay
him approximately an added $1,000.00 -- but the April date that
NHK uses on us makes it tough to have a firm handle on our overall
budget. I have to plot two lists of acts... argh...
Msg #25209 Dated 13:15:50 11-14-91 25186 <--> 25299
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TELIX
IMP! still requires the use of a communications program, Pete. Cy
needs some help with Telix in general and, since it is not a program I
use, I am not able to help him with it. I think there are some Telix
"experts" on line.
Msg #25210 Dated 13:18:58 11-14-91 25191 <--> 25303
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT
Re: "beautiful replice of an olde English Chastity Belt... the dude
with the correct key gets to keep the girl holding the belt." Don't
worry about it, Pete, you aren't my only kinky friend.
Msg #25211 Dated 13:20:51 11-14-91 25189 <--> 25226
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
Right now I'm drinking some fancy coffee from Haiti. It is awful
stuff, but I gotta pretend that I like it 'cause my in-laws brought it.
I'm so hyper I could write messages without a keyboard.
Msg #25212 Dated 13:22:09 11-14-91 25190 <--> 25227
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ARGH
Just don't melt the handcuffs.
Msg #25215 Dated 13:28:03 11-14-91 25196 <--> 25238
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
There was a big sale on tuna fish here last week. I'm thinking of
offering a can to everyone who places a hot tip or news story here on
MAGIC!
Msg #25226 Dated 18:39:32 11-14-91 25211 <--> 25248
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
And sendem without a comm programme! Zapoooo
Msg #25227 Dated 18:39:35 11-14-91 25212 <--> 25249
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ARGH
If you see me with burn lines around my wrists.......
Msg #25230 Dated 18:40:10 11-14-91 -> 25341
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: TRAVEL
Ee;25222
Geno... are you coming here on the way back from Japan? Would hope
you can let me know so I can schedule things...
Think I have located a Pretty Sneaky for you. However, I think
it is still in print from Magic Inc., in Chicago... will wait and
see.
Msg #25233 Dated 18:40:39 11-14-91 -> 25265
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Ee;25222
Not much happening... will see you in SLC...
Re: Music City... will come via Akron (Goodyear meetings) and save
you some travel dough... we need to discuss the content of what
you wish me to do... dude...
.
Hope you is doing OK, not much outa you lately, must have shoulder
to the Wheeeeeeeeeeeel and nose to the Grindstoooooooooooooone...
.
Man, tired still from drive up here from Mexico... argh...
.
Sposed to see Buz befo he breaks trail... Andre Kole illusion show
Friday ($6.00)... Gun show this weekend... will whip on by to see
if any gaming stuff. There is a big gun show set for San Francisco
Dec. 7-8, but will be in SLC with youse guys.... yar....
Msg #25234 Dated 19:42:49 11-14-91 -> 25243
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: HARKEY
Just returned from David Harkey Lecture in Baltimore. Since his
book received mixed notices, I was anxious to see the material
performed.
.
Very engaging performer. Here are the effects in the lecture and
the pages in Simply Harkey.
.
.....Body Language p.19 ****
.
Production of four coins. Clever moves and in interesting
principle.
.
.....Dirty Pool p.135 ****
.
Black balloon changes into an eight ball.
.
.....East Meets West p.158 ****
.
Shove a pencil through a bill. Impromptu version of Misled. No
gimmic and everything borrowed.
.
.....Over the Edge p.68 ****
.
Four coins to a pilsner glass. Great ideas as the glass in held
in the center instead of the hand hovering over the glass as in
most versions. Uses a jumping shuttle pass he credits to Danny
Korem. Looks great.
.
.....Under Fire p.91 ****
.
Card is found inside and stapled to a matchbook. Very clever
handling.
.
Break......
.
.....Flash Point p.99 ***
.
Production of four coins under pointing finger. Looks good.
.
.....Spinner p.163 **
.
Prediction with a round sticker and a soda can. Clever but not
good in practical situation. Lot of setup.
.
.....Gold Rush p.185 ***
.
Borrowed ring placed on a wrist watch band and penetrates the
watch comming off the other end.
.
.....Goldfinger p.13 ****
.
Borrowed ring on finger penetrates the finger. Other versions
with the idea were Satin Finish p.246 where the ring vanishes
from the finger and appears in a purse and The Transposition p.16
where a borrowed lady's ring changes on the finger to a man's
ring. Interesting principle.
.
.....Spin Off (Not in book, but sold separately.) ****
.
Coin placed in card box changes places with a card which is on
top of box.
.
.....The Gathering p.236 ***
.
Four coins to a purse. Good method - old effect.
.
.....Point of No Return (Not in book - props and instruction
sheet sold) ****
.
An initialed business card changes places with a card impaled on
a safety pin. Very startling change.
.
.....Flipper Coin demonstration. (Not in book - had some to sell.) *
.
Shown as an idea for coins through table. Really just
an idea, not a complete routine.
.
.....Crystals p.23 ***
.
Glass marble is inflated to become a vial. Filled with salt and
heated becomes a small hour glass. Then the items revert to their
original state. Shown but not explained.
.
Performed for about 2 1/2 hours with short break. Great lecture
with some baffling effects. I thought it was going to be too
cutsie-pie with some of the strange props, but was very strong.
.
Yes the book is worth getting as there are some new ideas and
methods. < |<
Msg #25236 Dated 19:56:25 11-14-91 25168 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIFE SAVERS?
Thanks Pete. I don't have either of those books but they are on my
list of things to look up the next time I'm at the Castle library.
Msg #25237 Dated 19:59:56 11-14-91 25131 <--> 25252
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARTY
If you have been to Bobby McGees in Burbank you may remember the layout
doesn't lend itself well to a stage show. I can always bring some
close-up stuff and go table hopping. Or maybe I COULD put a Harbin
Zig-zag on a dolly and do some walk around with that...[G]
Msg #25238 Dated 20:12:41 11-14-91 -> 25253
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
It's been a while since you wrote the message about the incentive
program. Bill Wells just reminded me of it. I think it's a good idea
to encourage participation. Just one more of the many good ideas that
have come up on the screen. Unfortunately it may rest on the shelf
with all of the other great ideas that have come up here. If only we
didn't need to sleep, then we could get some things done!
Msg #25243 Dated 21:12:43 11-14-91 25234 <--> 25251
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HARKEY
Thanks for the report, Cy... Talked to your ol' pal Bill Wells
tonite on the ameche... he said you were a BAD DUDE... knew all
the greats and the near greats in the beginning... Fetsch etc...
.
Looks like I might have to spring for the book now.... argh....
.
Hope someone helps you with the comm program. If not let me know
and can send you a disk with PROCOMM on it... ez to use...
Shareware Version so no problem...
Msg #25248 Dated 22:33:33 11-14-91 25226 <--> 25305
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
U got it! Two cups of that stuff (weird Haitian coffee) and I gotta
give someone the keys to my car! Minimum speed you can drive on that
stuff is 80-mph, never mind what you find yourself doin' on the
freeway.
Msg #25249 Dated 22:35:18 11-14-91 25227 <--> 25266
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ARGH
Have you ever considered sending out for tea and coffee? In your case,
it could be a whole lot safer.
Msg #25251 Dated 22:40:48 11-14-91 25234 <--> 25257
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HARKEY
Thanks for that report, Cy, and for putting it together with the book!
Great!
Msg #25252 Dated 22:41:50 11-14-91 25237 <--> 25267
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PARTY
I like the idea of the Zig-Zag on a dolly. Just make sure the Zig-Zag
is a genuine Harbin one, and that the dolly is not only genuine but
that she can hold up something that heavy.
Msg #25253 Dated 22:42:59 11-14-91 25238 <--> 26030
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Yeah, you got it! If only we didn't need to sleep! I try to keep that
part of my life down to a minimum (along with working for a living) but
still never seem to have enough time to get all the MAGIC! stuff done!
Msg #25256 Dated 23:03:14 11-14-91 -> 26035
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW FILES
David VanVranken has done it again! If you would like to see a FULL
COLOR version of the famous "picture of the gang in Las Vegas,"
download VEGAS.GIF - seated from left to right are Burt Carpenter,
David VanVranken, Tabby Crabb, Burton the Bizarre, David Lichtman, and
Pete Biro.
David VanVranken is also getting a reputation as our magical
graphic/video/computer artist - check out his WIZRD.PCX (not the
spelling - WIZRD), also in the MAGIC! files area.
Note: the above require EGA/VGA monitor.
THANKS, David!
Msg #25257 Dated 23:35:19 11-14-91 25234 <--> 25317
From: EVAN KATZ
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HARKEY
CY:
I've never seen Harkey perform, but when I read his book(s), I
has this feeling that a lot of the effects would be easy for a
layperson to reconstruct -- and be led to the method. But this
is nothing more than a feeling, as I've not tried them out. Did
you get any sense of this during the lecture?
Msg #25258 Dated 0:15:25 11-15-91 -> 25268
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VEGAS PIC
David:
Just downloaded VEGAS.GIF and was AMAZED at the quality! This
technology thing sure is amazing! Was that thing snapped then
scanned, or taken with a digital camera?
\
Msg #25259 Dated 0:16:20 11-15-91 -> 25275
From: EVAN KATZ
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CHECK/MAIL
Kevin:
The checks in the mail. Really. And thanks for being the organizer
and accountant on this thing!
Msg #25260 Dated 4:05:07 11-15-91 25188 <--> 25269
From: DOUG SMITH
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MELINDA
Yes, Sir....!!!
Was not in military, Sir!!!!
As for age sir....Just old enough in spring to qualify for early
retirement. Sir! Age in spring will be same as year graduated
from high school. Thanks Sir!!
Sorry Ihave not skill at one liners...
Msg #25261 Dated 5:59:27 11-15-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: ADDRESS FOR HEINZ
To Heinz:
The address I have for Daryl and Shelia is 12248 Peterson Hill N.E.,
Bainbridge Island, WA 98110, USA. Hope this helps.
Charlie
Msg #25262 Dated 6:01:30 11-15-91 -> 25270
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PINK EYE
So I caught this from you. Thanks a lot!
Charlie
Msg #25263 Dated 6:53:41 11-15-91 25074 <--> 25363
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YO BRO
You is probably right and a quik trip it was as I am back.
Msg #25265 Dated 6:53:51 11-15-91 25233 <--> 25271
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Lemme know if Faro at Gun show this weekend. Yes, I am busy but what
is new. I guess getting this farm here and not selling other place
yet, etc is making me go a bit faster. I also decided until I get muy
feet back on the ground that I'm basically only gonna respond to
messages directed to me. I'm also working on getting healthier. I
haven't smoked since at your house last month and taking long walks
everyday. Having a mile or so to walk on the Nuevo DeCarlo is great
and I can dress however I want, put feathers in my hair and carry
a pistola. Not much different from DC in that respect I guess. Magic
wise I am joining the Nashville Magic Club and also going to meetings
of the other area clubs drumming up business for the Music City Con
clave. Am going in to have a brew with the pres of said club tonight
to see what is going on. Also until house in MD sells, I'm prob
gonna have to get a job. The buz hasn't been pushing my tables since
and I have exclusive with him I can't go nowhere else til next june
so kinda stuck on that un. Got some great new projects (non table)
that are gonna kick off after the first of the year. Putting benches
into the shop this weekend and finished moving every shop thing
except wood lathe and big table sander which I'll get next time
as I didn't have room and had to get some of Glo's stuff too. Got
yer message re Akron, etc and the dates you mention sound good. We've
got your room at Nuevo ready and we'll move into the HI in Music City
at the appropriate time. Gotta run down to the musician's union hall
to see if I can recapture any of the old seniority if if I gotta get
in the back of the line. Lots of busses rolling outa Music City these
days so should be cool. Been listening to the radio and everybody
is doing my licks anyway so I'm right on time. Hoping Hotel DeCarlo
sells before I actually have to get on A BUS though. Later bro,
hope you is doing GREAT!
!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!! !!!
!!! !!!
!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #25266 Dated 8:40:22 11-15-91 25249 <--> 25279
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ARGH
As long as it was delivered by a wonderful person... might consider
it... NEW Campaign.... 'SAVE COFFEE' -- argh (Don't let the
Govt. know, they will apoint a celebrity panel, and.... er...
Msg #25267 Dated 8:40:27 11-15-91 25252 <--> 25280
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARTY
In case y'all didn't know it... Harbin designed the Zig Zag to be
done in Cabaret shows, surrounded. Matter of fact, Ned had his
in two canvas carrying bags. He could walk into a show situation
with the two bags slung on his shoulders and a pair of smaller
bags in hand.
He would then set the Zig Zag up, assemble it(!) in front of
the audience, pattering away and do the trick, take it down and
pack it... all as part of the effect!
Msg #25268 Dated 8:40:36 11-15-91 25258 <--> 25278
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VEGAS PIC
No it was snapped with a Vegas Casino employees strobe-equipped
2 1/4 camera... they all have a quick-and-dirty lab on the premises
and sell these pix when you leave the show. Kinda like a cigarette
girl.
Msg #25269 Dated 8:40:42 11-15-91 25260 <--> 25302
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: MELINDA
Sounds good to me... ok, AT EASE...
Msg #25270 Dated 8:40:45 11-15-91 25262 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: PINK EYE
I din't put no toe on yo.... whoa....
Msg #25271 Dated 8:40:48 11-15-91 25265 <--> 25297
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
You're not considering being a bus driver are you? ;+)
.
When I first started to read message and you said "get a job" I
had visions of a gas station or a market... FO'GETTIN' YOU CAN
PLUCK for a living... (Not with chickens)... mite be fun...
.
There is also a BIGGER gun show on Dec. 7-8 (but we will be in SLC)
in San Francisco... Byron will likely go to that. Will see. Am
going to see Andre Kole show tonite... stopping at Byron's on way
to see about getting the Steve Shepard mss to work on.
.
Got to get the picture part of the ring book going now... and
at conference in L.A. got some incredible info... Maven is a big
help on this and has some killer material...
.
S'posed to see buz in day or three... IS MOVING NEXT WEEK... so....
Msg #25273 Dated 8:41:15 11-15-91 -> 25282
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: CORRECTION
Earlier message that read "SAVE COFFEE" shoulda been "SAFE COFFEE"...
Msg #25274 Dated 9:48:37 11-15-91 -> 25281
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: FISM SHOW
MAGIC!-NL Fri 15 Nov 91 13:28
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Today I received the first TV show NHK (Japanese National TV) has
broadcasted 04 November 1991 in Japan.
Besides some short clips from contestants and the traditional
impression from the visiting country, the show featured:
Topaz from Germany doing his swinging act with glasses and timble
manipulations with wandtips.
The Pendragons with metamorfosis.
Mahka Tendo from Japan with his brilliant card manipulations.
Tempest & Gottet with their
double act.
Rene Lavand with his Oil & Water routine and his unbelievable 3
balls in the coffeecup routine.
James Cielen with his colorchanging doves. Amos Levkovics with
the finale of his dove act.
Of course they ended with Vladimir Danilin the grand-prix winner.
You see the selection they (NHK) made was rather predictable. It
was surprising to see they added Rene Lavand as close-up act
between all stage magic, where usually they have a slight
preference for Stage acts only.
We'll see what the next show brings.....
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #25275 Dated 9:49:15 11-15-91 25259 <--> 25307
From: MARVIN STERN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CHECK/MAIL
Yeh. That's what you used to tell me.
Msg #25278 Dated 10:34:29 11-15-91 25268 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: VEGAS PIC
And after the girl left, it was scanned! I think David ("the other
one") VanVranken did a great job of scanning it. I'm going to look
into getting one of those color scanners!
Msg #25279 Dated 10:41:45 11-15-91 25266 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ARGH
Hmmm... Maybe you can get the photo gal from the Hacienda to change
jobs and go into coffee and tea delivery. I think Govt. already does
have some kinda coffee panel - I just don't know what it does.
Msg #25280 Dated 10:44:16 11-15-91 25267 <--> 25283
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARTY
Yeah, but we don't want to steal Harbin's act.
Msg #25281 Dated 10:45:31 11-15-91 25274 <--> 25284
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Wow! It is always great to get a review of a Japanese television show
from a guy in the Netherlands! Guess I got to get a more powerful
television set!
Msg #25282 Dated 10:48:17 11-15-91 25273 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CORRECTION
Funny! I was thinkin' of doin' a bit on "Safe Coffee" when I read the
first message, but, you know me, I always take you at your word. I
don't think gov't has a panel for "Safe Coffee," but they do have one
for "Safe Tea."
Msg #25283 Dated 12:23:32 11-15-91 25280 <--> 25288
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARTY
Only those that steal are wrong. If you PURCHASED the Harbin Book,
you then, as I do, have the rights to perform his creations (that
are in the book) -- hence my Chair Suspension and Zig Zag, built
from Harbin's exact specifictions.
.
Those thousands of Zig Zaggers should be made to line thier boxes
up and burn them (those that didn't pay the Harbin rights fee)!
.
If only those that purchased, from Harbin, the rights to the Zig
Zag it would still be a tremendous effect to have in your repertoire.
Msg #25284 Dated 12:23:43 11-15-91 25281 <--> 25285
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Or a friend that mails you a video tape! Will have to make a few
calls!!! What I MUST KNOW... is how the ratings were!
Msg #25285 Dated 12:23:47 11-15-91 25274 <--> 25289
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Arnaud... nice to hear from you. I understand the show (according
to Maven) was broadcast later than planned due to NHK having done
extra coverage on the upheaval in the Soviet Union... but glad it
finally got on the air. My guess is they put Lavand on the show
for contrast... also he is so great, I would think they did not
want to fail to show his work! We just had him LIVE here in Calif.,
and soon (March) will present his work in Las Vegas at the Stevens
Desert Seminar.
.
How are things coming on the Kaps collection for Joe?
.
Pass onto Tommy Wonder that I will get the PCAM committee to contact
him.
.
CIAO....
Msg #25286 Dated 12:24:05 11-15-91 -> 25290
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: HOTKEY
Can I had ^K to a hot key command? After I hot key in my password, I
can't hit the ^K fast enuf and get more info on zee screen... argh?
Msg #25288 Dated 16:54:44 11-15-91 25283 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARTY
Well, you got me convinced. Now all you gotta do is convince the ones
who haven't paid the fee!
Msg #25289 Dated 16:57:55 11-15-91 25284 <--> 25319
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
You aren't going to believe this... Nathan is in the other room
learning DOS COMMANDS! He can now do DIR & CLS.
Msg #25290 Dated 16:59:21 11-15-91 25286 <--> 25318
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOTKEY
I think you can add the Ctrl-K to a hot key command. But you will have
to check the documentation for the software you are using. It may
require some special symbol for the Ctrl key.
Msg #25297 Dated 19:41:47 11-15-91 25271 <--> 25310
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Actually driving the bus pays better'n picking the banjo since the
banjo man only works an hour or so a day. Damn, just opened the sky
lite in the library and half a deck of cards got sucked out the
ceiling.
.
Am now back from spending all day in Music City and almost bought
you a deck of cards for your collection. Maybe next week. Met a
couple of the local magicians - both cool guys though somewhat
younger than me.
.
Rejoined the musicians union. Yowsuh, it costs big nowadays to be a
member and they have tripled membership in six years since I've been
gone. Oh well, it ain't only whatcha know, but who!!! so maybe the
tabman will be OK.
.
Mike Stratman called and left me info on Knoxville Magic Club meet
]next week which I go to on Tuesday. Am starting to get excited
about Music City Conclave.
Msg #25299 Dated 20:47:18 11-15-91 25177 <--> 25335
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TELIX
Cy,
Are you just in need of a script? I wrote my own for Bitcom, but
don't know much about telix. Do you have X-modem capabilities?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25301 Dated 20:47:28 11-15-91 25183 <--> 25312
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
David,
I am most anxious to meet some of the members. The people who
are going have all contributed to my enjoyment of this board.
Frankly, the Copperfield show is secondary to meeting and getting
to know these people. Yourself included.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25302 Dated 20:47:33 11-15-91 25188 <--> 25323
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MELINDA
Uh oh!
I guess I'll have to refer to you as Mr. Biro. I don't rate
either criteria for more familiar familiarities.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25303 Dated 20:47:38 11-15-91 25191 <--> 25316
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT
Pete,
Did I miss book I?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25304 Dated 20:47:42 11-15-91 25200 <--> 26037
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Bill,
Yup, we Irish can always lick others for jokes in pubs. That's
why so much of our stuff is in "Publick domain."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25305 Dated 20:47:47 11-15-91 25211 <--> 25313
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
Ah yes, Caffiene: the world's most perfect drug.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25307 Dated 20:47:56 11-15-91 25259 <--> 25410
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: CHECK/MAIL
Evan,
I look forward to meeting you. It should be a lot of fun.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25308 Dated 21:18:21 11-15-91
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: TOWN MANAGER
If anyone knows any thing about circus lore of thhe 1890's, can you
tell me what a "Town Manager" might be? All I know is that he paid a
performer (trapeze act) hhis salary. Could "Town Mannager" be a slang
term for who ever paid the performers? Or what?
Msg #25310 Dated 23:27:15 11-15-91 25297 <--> 25328
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Hey, Tabman! Sounds like you are really movin' and shakin' out there
in Music City! Worse comes to worse, we could always form a group -
you're good at pickin' and I'm good at grinnin'. Wonder if I'd have to
join the grinner's union?
Things here is about normal - I'm workin' on Windows and Nathan is
learnin' DOS. Sure hope this project I'm chasing goes - will know more
next week. Meanwhile, I'm breaking out in psychological hives.
Msg #25312 Dated 23:32:28 11-15-91 25301 <--> 25370
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Yes, MAGIC! get-togethers are always fun - a chance to put a face with
people you already know! This one will be the first "family" one so it
should be really interesting.
Msg #25313 Dated 23:34:12 11-15-91 25305 <--> 25342
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CPU
Nah, Oxygen is the World's most perfect drug! Caffine is further down
on the list.
Msg #25315 Dated 0:10:10 11-16-91 25094 <--> 25330
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ED MARLO
If you were to make up a set of archive disks I would be happy to
store them in my safe. Since I've been having problems downloading
I don't have nearly a complete set. Consider making up a set and I'll
be happy to store them down here.
Msg #25316 Dated 0:10:13 11-16-91 25178 <--> 25324
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHAT
What is cig thru quarter (with feather) ? I know cig thru quarter,but
am not sure what the feather is about ??
Msg #25317 Dated 0:10:16 11-16-91 25257 <--> 25343
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HARKEY
I do one Harkey effect - the torn and restored cig paper. When I
read it I wasn't too impressed, but decided to make a set-up and try
it out. It is definitely not for magicians (they know what flash
paper is), but the reaction from 'normal' audiences is amazing. It
really boggles their minds - you see the wheels turning ! After the
flash when I start to unfold the paper, you can hear them saying 'No
way', that's impossible ! It really is a killer.
Msg #25318 Dated 0:10:22 11-16-91 25286 <--> 25320
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOTKEY
Why aren't you using the magiclog script ? Couldn't you get it to
work ? Let me know, I'll fix it for you. We don't need no stinkin'
hot keys !
Msg #25319 Dated 2:15:16 11-16-91 25289 <--> 25393
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
What does DIR AND CLS stand for?
Msg #25320 Dated 2:15:19 11-16-91 25290 <--> 25326
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOTKEY
Now I can't even figure out what command to get the Hot Key menu up.
Argh...
.
Just home (2 ayem) from seeing Andre Kole. He has a new illusion
called "Just Passing Through"...
.
Assistant lays flat on a table. Two other assistants slide a
boxlike cover over her that has no ends... so head and feet are
visible.
.
Andre then pierces down thru the top with a long fluorescent light
tube... NOT DONE...
.
He then puts a ring with small light bulbs on top of the cover.
Then he climbs on top of the set up and steps on thru, finally
his whole body is thru and he walks back and forth...
.
Somewhat like, but horizontal and different, of course, to the
"Interlude" of the Pendragons... Weird and interesting... Audience
(about 2,000) went crazy over it.
.
He closed with his "walking on water" which is a fooler.
.
In chat after he had just seen David C and DC has added another
variant to his flying THAT i HAVE NOT YET SEEN.... ARGH....
.
He takes a girl from audience, and Like Superman with Lois Lane,
holds on to her and flies around the stage... got to see this...
At the Wiltern... you lucky devils you.... yar....
Msg #25323 Dated 2:15:57 11-16-91 25302 <--> 25332
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MELINDA
Yowsah Massa Curtin...
Msg #25324 Dated 2:16:00 11-16-91 25303 <--> 25325
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: WHAT
Sorry what do you mean by "did I miss book I?" (when using IMP I
can't hit the B key and go back to the initiating message. Sorry.
Msg #25325 Dated 2:16:04 11-16-91 25316 <--> 25336
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT
That feather is to tickle your fancy. What's a fancy? Your guess is
as bad as mine!
Msg #25326 Dated 2:16:08 11-16-91 25318 <--> 25387
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HOTKEY
Magic Log? Is that like a Presto Log?
... Uh, I didn't get it downloaded properly I guess. It had Bill
Wells' name in it and I fiddled a bit but no luck.... tsk....
.
Be good...
Msg #25328 Dated 6:14:30 11-16-91 25310 <--> 25351
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
It takes time, of course, but we are here now and we will certainly
move and shake something. I'll be glad when the dust settles in a
few months and I discover that I live in Tennessee and that things
are "normal".
Msg #25330 Dated 6:14:38 11-16-91 25315 <--> 25385
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ED MARLO
I hope you never sent the package to me here in Lebanon since I never
got it????
Msg #25331 Dated 7:58:21 11-16-91 25158 <--> 25352
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHO
I think the Benson routine was in the new Phoenix edited by
Marshall and Benson. Don't a copy so am not sure where.
Msg #25332 Dated 7:58:27 11-16-91 25260 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: MELINDA
I envy you being able to retire at 55. I have to wait ten more
years than that.
Msg #25335 Dated 7:58:46 11-16-91 25299 <--> 25580
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TELIX
Yes I have x-modem. It looks like I am getting the script. Thanks
though.
Msg #25336 Dated 7:58:52 11-16-91 25316 <--> 25372
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT
Instead of the cigarette, which these days are hard to find, you
use a feather. Don't know whose this is but picked it up from
someone who saw it in a lecture.
Msg #25337 Dated 9:58:08 11-16-91 -> 25347
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: JAPAN
Day 1: I am off to Japan on Japan airlines. It is 12:35 pm in Los A
ngeles, and the skies are clear. I am traveling with an interestin g
associates from Las Vegas. The good "old days" are back with
Fred DiFlorentis and Chic Goodwill. They are "very" interesting guys
, and have been around Las vegas for years. Fred Knows everyone
and just returned from Japan on a tour with LaToya Jackson, with Chic
Goodwill arranging all of the details. Chic is a personnel friend o
of LaToya's. They entertained some of Japan's most interesting....
Chic is in the rarest forms.....once a shiek Beverly Hills business
man and ranconteur....hoob nobing with the finest, at the most exclus
..exclusive clubs in Bevery Hills.....Chick was right arm to Humperdi
nck, Anka and Tom Jones.....Terry Moore was a close companion......
I am sorry if I am rambling, but I am flying and the plane is shaki
ng.....
We will be arriving in a few hours and will be staying at the
Okura (sic) Hotel in Tokyo and then relaxing for a few hours.
It was pleasant leaving this morning, running late as usual, and
hearing Melinda on the loud speaker at the airport, "HI, THIS IS
MELINDA, THE FIRST LADY OF MAGIC, PLEASE STAND TO THE LEFT SO
PASSENGERS CAN PASS ON THE RIGHT, OR I WILL INVOKE MY MAGICAL
POWERS AN MAKE YOU VANISH".....I wrote this but think I have tranpose
d right with left........
I am thinking of the effects that I will be using......(available in
the Japanese tour lecture notes)....NO just kidding!....I do have so
me special magic planned....Will tell you all about it.....
Time for a snack....
Pete...don't know when I will be in San Fran, because we may now go t
o Hong Kong........
Geno
Msg #25341 Dated 9:59:11 11-16-91 25230 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRAVEL
I will be going to Hong Kong and for fn I will stop in Australia..
I have a cousin in Melbourne. I will be looking for a good topsy tur
vy routine.....ha ha....
Msg #25342 Dated 9:59:19 11-16-91 25211 <--> 25371
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
I just found out that iced tea has four times the amount of caffeene
that coffee has......I can't stop writing and going a mile a minute.
Msg #25343 Dated 9:59:26 11-16-91 25251 <--> 25386
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HARKEY
I am intersted in the coin flipper. what is the effect Dave?
Msg #25344 Dated 9:59:31 11-16-91 -> 25348
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: JAPAN
The menus on this jumbo jet are incredible....as so are the airfares.
My roundtrip airfare is a paltry $4,700...coughr agh......ugh...
but listen what you get.....
Your choice of Dom Perignon, Pommery, Heidsieck, Chateau Carbonnieux,
Pouilly Fuisse,(and polyester if you prefer) Laboure-roi, Grand
Larose, Margaux, Gevrey Chambertin Rodet, Savigny les Beaune, Mosel,
and Chateau Merican....For dinner the entries:
Russian Caviar, Scampi in orange sauce, salmon four ways, tordilinnie
s, capons in wild rice, rissoto, pesto al' foirno, polanta in sauce',
and all the goodies........
I just got another air kit which includes a logo'd JAL eye blind-
fold, I will use for some Kuda Bux style material.........
I hate to even think this next thought, but what if, there was a
plane crash and they found all of my props. Do you suppose a thumb
tip would suggest I froze at 60,000 feet and my thumb became immortal
? etc.........
How about my break away wand............does it break do to the impac
t?.....
Enough of this junk. Talk to you from Tokyo.....
Msg #25345 Dated 10:00:02 11-16-91 -> 25349
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: JAPAN
I have arrived in Japan. For anyone interested, I am at the
Hotel Okura-Tokyo. The number is 03-3582-0111, room 943.
It is 7:00 PM and I am tired. Talk to you all later.
Msg #25346 Dated 10:00:11 11-16-91 -> 25359
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JAPAN
I was on landing approach to Tokyo, and the in-house radio on the
Jumbo Jet was playing the Tennessee Waltz. I could not help but
think of you.
Msg #25347 Dated 10:39:30 11-16-91 25337 <--> 25378
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
If you still around and read this, just call when you hit SF... or
FAX me from jajpan.... fax 510-932-7696 (same for phone calls). If you
can fax me and get a fax nr for you there I want to check somegthings
out in jajpan camera wise for me... mite phone you right now at home?
Msg #25348 Dated 10:41:01 11-16-91 25344 <--> 25379
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
You must be travlling in steerage???
Msg #25349 Dated 10:41:42 11-16-91 25345 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
I now see you is already gone and some how have logged on f rom the
land of the Rising Card.... hahahaha. keep cool
Will send you long messge later tonite... gotta travell... bye
Msg #25351 Dated 11:07:51 11-16-91 25328 <--> 25360
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Normal? What's Normal? Huh... you find out... you tell me...
I currently have 4,530,995 slides scattered about the abode trying
to find the ONE shot I took of Andy Granatelli Kissing Mario
Andretti in 1969! Argh...
Msg #25352 Dated 11:07:57 11-16-91 25331 <--> 25844
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHO
Cy, will look thru the New PHX.... THNX....
Msg #25353 Dated 11:07:59 11-16-91 -> 25402
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: HELUP
Ee;
Dave the Frogge!
.
I have a minor problemoooo....uch....
.
Placing a floppy into the NEC Laptop external disk drive, I get
System Error, Abort Retry... with the disk with my Database (books)
upon same... with any other disk it seems to boot ok...
.
Is this a big time ARGH? No recent backup as I had just finished
putting in about 80 entries.
.
I did take this diskette over to Byron Walker's last night to put
into his COMPAQ and look up some books to see what I had, compared
to some he had fo'sale...
.
He knows nothing about computers and was PANIC STRICKEN when I put
a disk into his machine... saying, "Oh, God... the company told
me to never let anyone put any disks into the machine -- they are
afraid of any virus programs!"
.
I assured him this was clean and actually never copied anything,
just read only from the A drive.
.
It was 2 ayem and we were tired... and for some foggy reason, due
to he being so nervous (I couldn't believe it) (Matter of fact he
is so NON COMPUTER he is thinking of Quitting his job because they
now ask him to enter orders and sales into the machine!
.
Anyway... there is a foggy possiblity that I did NOT EXIT THE
PROGRAM PROPERLY... just hurried up and took it out... but then
I do recall going back into C drive from the A prompt before I
switched his machine off... so I mustave exited? Right? No?
.
Help.
Msg #25355 Dated 13:37:57 11-16-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEWSLETTER PERMISSION
COMPUTER ERROR, SI! Sorry, I guess I missed it somehow... Maybe my
computer is getting DSHXGBNT! Ok, don't worry, you (probably) won't be
asked again...
Msg #25356 Dated 13:39:53 11-16-91 -> 25361
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
I've only done it on stage, but it seems it could be done. I used a
straight up-and-down mirror in mine. The best place to find out if it
would work from five feet is at the local magic club. That way, if you
goof, who knows but your fellow magi?
Msg #25357 Dated 13:47:34 11-16-91
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: NICK AT NITE
Did anyone catch Mork & Mindy on Nick At Nite on Friday (15th)? The
plot involved Mork applying for a driver's liscence. He'd been having
nightmares about getting the driving instructor he would get. Mork's
worst fears were confirmed when his driving instructor turned out to be
none other than... Max Maven! Mork was so nervous he was driving on two
wheels for much of the test! Would you believe he still passed?
Msg #25359 Dated 14:26:20 11-16-91 25346 <--> 25377
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Thanks Geno. Are you using the tabman wand in Japan??? I hope so.
For once, I'd rather have my phone bills than yours with the xpacific
ld charges!!! Have a great trip and knock em dead!
Msg #25360 Dated 14:26:24 11-16-91 25351 <--> 25362
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
I just got in from riding fence here on the nuevo decarlo. I haven't
added it up but there is at least two miles of wire here, some of it
quite old. This place takes a lot more work and I just found out that
three of the Bone Pony guys are planning on living here when they
aren't on the road. Little do they know that they are gonna become
ranch hands when they ain't making us all money.
Msg #25361 Dated 14:35:50 11-16-91 25356 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MILK TO SILK
You should be able to tell yourself by looking in a mirror at your
mirror. If you see an endless bunch of You... toss it out!
Msg #25362 Dated 14:36:53 11-16-91 25360 <--> 25388
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Ranch Hands and Renters!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #25363 Dated 16:55:36 11-16-91 25263 <--> 25366
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YO BRO
How about this Tabby....I saw a Japanese guy that souinded exactly
like you.....I had to turn my head twice........he prpobably has
a wood shop too.
Msg #25364 Dated 16:55:45 11-16-91 -> 25367
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: JAPAN
Here is my intinery for this part of the trip:
Day one: Arrive in Tokyo, check in to Okura Hotel
I will do a show for special member of House of Councillors
later today, at FIRST LADY NIGHT SPOT..........wait to Melinda
heres about this.
DAY two: Sight see around Tokyo..Looking for good Japanese silk
marterial, to make my own serpent silks......
DAY three: Take a small biz jet to Shikoku Island and land at
Takamatsu Island. Will be staying at Hotel Okura Marugame.
DAY four: Will be rehearsing the stage and then perform for opening n
opening night party at 7:00 pm.
Day four: Back to Tokyo
DAY five: Off to Hong Konk
DAY six: sight see and in the evening, special oarty for Stanley
Ho.That was party.....sorry.
Day seven: Shop and relax.
Day eight: Shop
Day nine: Off to Australia maybe.....
Msg #25365 Dated 16:56:21 11-16-91 -> 25405
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: HOOKUP IN JAPAN
YOU WERE RIGHT. IT WAS PULSE DIALING. YOU SAVED THE DAY. I WILL TELL
ALL HOW TO DO IT LATER. THIS INFO WILL BE HELPFUL. YOU ARE A COMPUTER
GENIUS.......AND ALL AROUND GOOD GUY. A TIP 'O THE OLE' HAT TO YOU.
Msg #25366 Dated 17:18:40 11-16-91 25363 <--> 25404
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: YO BRO
Maybe a Rice MilL
l, but woodshop?
No....
Msg #25367 Dated 17:19:33 11-16-91 25364 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Look for Kori Tokyo Ten -- a silk factory. Tamura might know.
Msg #25368 Dated 17:52:03 11-16-91 -> 25392
From: DOUG SMITH
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: RETIRE AT 55
I am only taking early retirement from the current job. I do enjoy it,
am good at it, but no longer like the envirement and what future stress
may be. I will be looking for new opportunities. My wife says it is
time that I became "repotted." (Predict what one liner Biro willhave
for this.) Good you figured out my age..do you like math?'''i am not
sure what i will do next year but the wife will keep working...either
I will create something or find something...but nowI may have a chance
to see the Desert Seminar..
Msg #25369 Dated 17:56:59 11-16-91
From: DOUG SMITH
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: SILK
Your friends may be able to give you better advice concerning on where
to buy silk. On our one trip to Japan and Hong Kong, she found better
and cheaper silk in HK...than in toyko...there is a (or was 5 five
years ago) a main land China Emporium near the Hyatt Hotel...The store
windows had jade articles for about fourty thousand dollars which
almost kept my wife out of the store as she was afraid we might break
something....but inside was a very large department onthe second floor
with wonderful silk at excellant pr...low not high... have fun shopping
..we really enjoyed the dim sum...especially since we had taken three
sets of chinese cooking classes..enjoy...
Msg #25370 Dated 19:33:03 11-16-91 25312 <--> 25406
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
David,
I think it is interesting to get to know people based entirely on
words flashed before your eyes. I can't believe how much I am
looking forward to this! I have an old friend flying in that
morning, and he will be joining us. Good day planned.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25371 Dated 19:33:08 11-16-91 25313 <--> 25398
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
David,
I am not real wild about most of the effects of oxygen on the
system. Of course, on the other hand, I enjoy breathing so....
Have you ever gone diving and been narced?
Interesting.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25372 Dated 19:33:13 11-16-91 25324 <--> 25373
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT
Pete,
You made mention of items to be included in Book II(not elevin)
and I didn't see book I.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25373 Dated 20:27:22 11-16-91 25372 <--> 25390
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: WHAT
Book ONE is being writ as we speak and is on one subject. Rings,
Linking and otherwise... am currenty digging to find the inventor.
Seriously!!!
Msg #25375 Dated 22:23:38 11-16-91 -> 25407
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: CRASH!!!
HAD A CRASH OF THE "A" DISK that contained about 1,000 entries into mhy
Database: Library, Collectibles, Lecture notes etc.
Argh
Proving Magic and Computers don't mix.
Argh
Finally -- after HOURS OF TRYING TO GET THE PROGRAM TO COME UP... I
figured it out....
.
I PUT THE DISK ON THE TABLE ... RIGHT OVER THE GIANT MAGNET I HAD
UNDERNEATH TO CONTROL DICE....
.
YOU WANT AN ARGH????
.
But... but... not all is lost....
.
Here is what happened. My pal from Long Beach had sent me a new
'EMERGENCY' disk from Norton... with this I was able to move clusters,
whatever that means, repair a lot of the disk and fix all kinds of
things, like files... and stuff...
.
Still couldn't get the program to come up... but was able to use
'LAPLINK' from my giant computer (Oh, all this was with the Laptop)
and move the data files from Lap to big... and after about 2 hours of
near death sweating, hammering on keys and answering questions on
screen that I had no Idea what old Mr. Norton was talking about... it
is fixed.... breath again, no ARgh...
.
A BEER! AND BED!
.
G'NITE ALL....
Msg #25376 Dated 22:46:51 11-16-91
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YAMAMOTO
I put the pictures in the mail to you yesterday.
Msg #25377 Dated 23:18:21 11-16-91 25359 <--> 25381
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JAPAN
Tabbman- I am going to do the Glimy Glippo lecture at 2:30pm..hahahah
Msg #25378 Dated 23:18:27 11-16-91 25347 <--> 25396
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Pete, sorry I am here already.
Msg #25379 Dated 23:18:33 11-16-91 25348 <--> 25400
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
All I can say is pass the Dom Perignon.
Msg #25381 Dated 23:18:53 11-16-91 25359 <--> 25436
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JAPAN
I just found out that I have two more big functions to entertain,
and three private parties. I probably will stay the entire month of
Novemeber, and come back around December 18. I have got some great
items for you to reproduce for me. I took one with me (secret stuff)
and I think you could do a great job with it. Will check you later.
Msg #25382 Dated 23:19:04 11-16-91 -> 25408
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: JAPAN
You really helped me out. Can't thank you enough. What can I bring
you back from Japan?
Msg #25383 Dated 23:19:13 11-16-91 -> 25409
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: JAPAN
This has got to be the greatest place in the world. Great shopping
....good food....and friendly, friendly people. Our country really
could take a lesson in courtesey, and dedication to the work ethic.
I think this should be required for all Las Vegas gaming and related
service employees.
On the Ginza today, a fantastic shopping street, their were a few
street performers....singers, musicians,,,,,this would be great
for magic.....the people here just LOVE magic.
What you can do with a thumb tip here.........last night in the
restaurant I vanished saki in my hand, then brought it back and drank
it............
Marvellous plastic food displays......I will find a way to produce a
steaming pizza using it.
See you all later..................
Msg #25385 Dated 23:54:25 11-16-91 25315 <--> 25389
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ED MARLO
Thank you for the offer, Jerry. I'll have to work out the best
approach and come up with a plan.
Msg #25386 Dated 23:57:33 11-16-91 25343 <--> 25415
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HARKEY
Apparently the Flipper Coin is something that David Harkey sold at his
lecture. You will have to ask CY KELLER (Cy, if you are there, just
jump in and answer this!).
Msg #25387 Dated 23:59:56 11-16-91 25320 <--> 25391
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOTKEY
I don't remember seeing a hot key menu? But I didn't change anything,
so if you can't remember, don't blame me!
New Kole sounds very interesting! Will have to get to see it. Yes,
am very much looking forward to DC's new flying routine. Hmmm... Next
thing you know, he'll hold out his arms and have her wing walking.
Msg #25388 Dated 0:02:26 11-17-91 25362 <--> 25394
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Are settled in enough to take on a load of sceptor crystals ? Gotta
figure out some way to get to TN and check the place out. What's the
energy like ?
Msg #25389 Dated 0:02:29 11-17-91 25330 <--> 25439
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ED MARLO
I just left you a msg regarding the crystal shipment. I held off unti
l you were settled in. I know you have a lot going on. Are you ready?
Msg #25390 Dated 0:02:32 11-17-91 25325 <--> 25581
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT
I havn't had my fancy tickled in a long time, in fact I'm not not
sure where my fancy is anymore.
Msg #25391 Dated 0:02:34 11-17-91 25326 <--> 26039
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOTKEY
OK, I'm going to upload a zip file named BIRO.ZIP that will have 2
scripts in it. One is MAGICLOG.ASP, which will allow you to log in,
grab all the msgs, and log off - all automatically. The second is
MAGICREP.ASP which will log in and upload all your replies. The file
that is downloaded is MAGIC.LOG and you need to create MAGIC.REP for
uploads. There is also a file called ASPCOMP that will create the
MAGICLOG.ASX and MAGICREP.ASX. All you will have to do is change the
**** for your real password. The other change is to add MAGICLOG and
MAGICREP to 2 entries to dial magic. I assume you are using PCPLUS,
if not let me know. I have a public domain copy of PCPLUS that I will
add to the file if you need it.
Msg #25392 Dated 0:02:42 11-17-91 25368 <--> 25576
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: RETIRE AT 55
I also graduated in 1955, hadn't thought about the relationship to
my age - interesting !
Msg #25393 Dated 0:02:20 11-17-91 25319 <--> 26036
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Pete - You been readin' the wrong books! If you don't know DIR and
CLS, how you ever gonna use DOS filters and pipes? Here's how to do
it: Think of the DOS manual as an arcane magic book - take it down off
the shelf, dust it off, and try a couple of the tricks.
Msg #25394 Dated 0:05:37 11-17-91 25328 <--> 25434
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Wait 'til you figure out there's better road kills in Tennessee - THEN
everything will be normal! It has been a long time since we've been to
Tennessee - and Anita has never (I think) been to Nashville. Last time
we were there we accidentally integrated the swimming pool in T. O.
Fuller State Park near Knoxville. Now that we got friends in high
places there, we can probably risk coming back!
Msg #25396 Dated 0:13:58 11-17-91 25337 <--> 25417
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Gads! I think you just filed the first MAGIC! message from over the
Pacific Ocean! Pete's done some reporting from the air, but I think it
has been domestic and Atlantic Ocean. So you are breaking new ground
(er, new water) here on MAGIC!
I've heard Melinda's message at the LV airport and loved it! But if
you are really having trouble remembering which side of the walkway
they were to stand on, don't worry - just go on to England from Japan,
rent a car, and you'll feel fine!
Msg #25398 Dated 0:22:55 11-17-91 25342 <--> 25399
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CPU
I didn't know about that much caffine being in iced tea! Tannic acid,
yes, but not about the caffine. I've spent the last ten years drinking
iced tea with dinner so I'd cut down on caffine!
Msg #25399 Dated 0:24:08 11-17-91 25371 <--> 25412
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CPU
I've gone diving, but missed being narced. Spent some interesting time
hobknobing with barracuda though.
A few years ago there was some guy around who claimed that breathing
air was all we needed to do - that food was unnecessary. He had a bit
of a cult following and claimed that he hadn't eaten anything in many
years. He made headlines when there was a bit of a scandal - his
secretary quit and reported that after his lectures he would go back to
his motel room and stuff himself on junk food.
Msg #25400 Dated 0:28:42 11-17-91 25344 <--> 25413
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Once upon a time... I was bored on a long flight, so I programmed my
laptop computer to figure how long it would take if we were to fall (I
believe the formula is 32 ft/per second/per second - your speed
increases by 32 feet per second for each second you fall). Somehow,
the results failed to amuse my fellow passengers. Glad you had all
that good food to keep you from doing the same.
Msg #25402 Dated 0:35:38 11-17-91 25353 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELUP
OK, now I got the message you referred to! Also think I saw a message
where you got it solved. I've been running wild all day and this was
my first chance to log on. So I'll read further, and if you still have
problem with disk, give me a call on Sunday - best after 10 a.m. but
before noon.
Msg #25404 Dated 0:42:36 11-17-91 25363 <--> 25421
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: YO BRO
Nathan has a wooden dog that my Japanese brother (his Japanese uncle)
brought him. It is hand carved from "100 year old wood." The guy who
made it says he has a supply of wood that was cut 100 years ago from
trees that were 100 years old.
Msg #25405 Dated 0:45:23 11-17-91 25365 <--> 25422
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HOOKUP IN JAPAN
Thanks, Geno-san! Glad it worked! You should have seen what your
phone call triggered around here! Figured the pulse dialing would
probably work, but wanted to give you that backup plan (the X1 routine)
so we ran tests across two modems and three computers to make sure it
would work before I called you back. Whatever - it is GREAT to have
you online from Japan! The detail in your messages is terrific!
Msg #25406 Dated 0:50:02 11-17-91 25370 <--> 25414
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Great - Turns out we need to add ONE MORE to my group! Age range will
be from 3 years old to 86 years old!
Msg #25407 Dated 0:53:07 11-17-91 25375 <--> 25411
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRASH!!!
Whew! Guess I now know what all your panic was about! And after all
that discussion we had some months back about the dangers of MAGNETS!
Glad to hear you recovered, courtesy of Peter Norton. But I will tell
you that the fact that you did is not only a tribute to the Norton
recovery programs, but is a damned miracle!
Now, just DO NOT put the diskette under an old phone! Those ringers
that actually ring real bells are COMPLETE KILLERS.
Msg #25408 Dated 0:56:09 11-17-91 25382 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Hey, man, no problem! Key thing to bring back from Japan is YOU! Just
glad it all worked and that you are online.
Msg #25409 Dated 0:58:06 11-17-91 25383 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Get to know the place - remember, we are all going back for '94 FISM
with Pete Biro leading the first MAGIC! tour!
Msg #25410 Dated 1:03:12 11-17-91 25275 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: CHECK/MAIL
And about that twenty bucks you owe me...
Msg #25411 Dated 1:17:51 11-17-91 25375 <--> 25463
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRASH!!!
Pete,
You are one step closer to becoming a computer expert! Every
person who works with computers has to spend a prerequisite
amount of hours trying to figure out something that they have no
idea about. Everyone who tries to help uses words that make no
sense and have no connection with what they should. FATs, and
Clusters, and Sectors on and on it goes. Then, one day, people
start coming to you with their problems. And you realize that
while you are fixing their computer, you are using words like FAT
and Cluster and Sector.
Ah, the great Mandela.
Enjoy!
Kevin
p.s. Why don't you come down for the Copperfield show? We've got
an extra ticket, and I'm sure begging a bed for you won't be
hard.
Msg #25412 Dated 1:20:39 11-17-91 25399 <--> 25419
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
David,
I had heard of this guy. I have the strangest diet in the world,
so I can't criticize his. People have said I should be dead
years ago. All of the followers of this guy (I don't know his
name, so I'll just keep referring to him as "this guy") said that
they hadn't achieved whatever they were trying to achieve so they
were cutting back on food slowly. Never met one who had cut food
out entirely, but I met some pretty thin folks. I wonder if
there is any origin in some of the eastern religion's practices
of ahimsa.
I have had occasion to meet some interesting denizens of the deep
myself, but strangly enough, there is something about being
underwater that (at least in my case) disolves the fear. I have
a friend who claims that the best part of diving is getting dry
again.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25413 Dated 1:20:48 11-17-91 25400 <--> 25420
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
David,
Did you tell your fellow passengers that one way or another, you
would reach terminal velocity?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25414 Dated 1:20:53 11-17-91 25406 <--> 25429
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
David,
Is it safe to assume that you are at neither end of the age
spectrum?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25415 Dated 10:22:12 11-17-91 25386 <--> 25430
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HARKEY
Thanks David. This effect sounds to me like an old, rather existing
coin flip hustle that has fooled literally hundreds of people. The
con has gone all over the world looking for a play........I will
ask Cy.....
Msg #25416 Dated 10:22:22 11-17-91 -> 25443
From: GENO MUNARI
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: COIN FLIPPER
As you probally have read of my interest in the Harkey effect.....
the coin flipper. What is the effect? I appreciate you help.
Msg #25417 Dated 10:22:31 11-17-91 25396 <--> 25431
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
I have just confirmed my travel schedule after entertaining in
the Orchid Room of Hotel Okura. After returning from the "island"
I will go to Hong Kong for about 5 days, then back to Tokyo. I will
perform on Dec. 7, Dec. 16, Dec. 19 and Dec. 20., thaen back to
the USA on Dec. 22.
I really have been interested in the connection between the country
of Italy and Japan.....in the tone of Columbus and the similarity in
many words........Italian has many words that are almost the exact
sounding words in Japanese......Marco Polo was a real adventurer....
Even Columbus when he sailed the ocean blue in 1492 originally
dreamed about visiting Japan as his destination.......and to
honor or commemorate this thought.....a sailing project to duplicate
Columbus has been undertaken by the Caravel Santa Maria Foundation.
The new "Santa Maria" left Barcelona in July and will set forth on
Kobe, Japan in April 1992.....more than 12 million was raised for
this project...........magicians take note, what can we do to
honor our historical interest?
It is interesting about books you buy for intentions to read...the
other day I was at a used book shop and picked up a paper back magic
book, "Great Secrets of Master Magaicians" by Bruce Elliot. It was
published in 1962 and a third printing was completed in 1967....good
book, has all of the great effects....card on ceiling, rice bowls,
miser's dream, razor blade swallowing, billard balls, cups and balls
and much more. Was this an original expose to non magicians?
Seems like it could be..........I don't know Mr. Elliot but I
wonder if that thought ever crossed his mind......interesting how
he inscribed his dedication......"for Judy....the cutest trick I
know"........sorry, but what did he mean by that. The word trick
for a female is a hooker........I hope he didn't mean that....any
way the book was illustrated by none other than Stanley Jaks, Dr.
Jaks to us magicians.......good book....I am now going to brush up
on my miser's dream routine. I will go down to the buffet and
borrow a stainless steel pot for catching coins and making a great
deal of noise.........
to be continued......
Msg #25419 Dated 10:23:38 11-17-91 25398 <--> 25425
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
I still am having trouble sleeping.....
Msg #25420 Dated 10:23:44 11-17-91 25400 <--> 25427
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
I will say this...the fod over in Japan is exactly what I like..
rice, fish, veggies....and low fat content...I truley don't miss
anything from the USA...........
Msg #25421 Dated 10:23:52 11-17-91 25404 <--> 25435
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YO BRO
I probabbly could go on and on with the jokes.....but reminds me, and
don't ask why, the riddle Don Lawton used to run...."HOW HIGH IS A
CHINA MAN?, or HOW HI IS A CHINA MAN.
Msg #25422 Dated 10:24:00 11-17-91 25405 <--> 25433
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOOKUP IN JAPAN
I will go online in Hong Kong, and wherever I can plug in....
Msg #25423 Dated 10:24:06 11-17-91
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: SILKS
Thanks Doug, I will check it out......it is almost impossible to buy
silks any more....I will bring back a bundle.......
Msg #25424 Dated 10:24:15 11-17-91
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ROOMS CES
I won't forget to get you hooked up......By the way how about the
five card mental effect.....how is it going.....?
Msg #25425 Dated 10:45:09 11-17-91 25412 <--> 25426
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CPU
I wonder if one can do inadvertent magic? I was once diving with a
buddy who suddenly noticed one of the local barracuda. He not only
thought the best part of diving was getting dry, he WALKED on water in
the process of getting back to the boat! I swear, even the 'cuda
looked amazed!
Msg #25426 Dated 10:47:13 11-17-91 25419 <--> 25445
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CPU
Yeah, I can tell! But I don't think that you are having trouble
sleeping because of too much iced tea - I think it is too many time
zones. Funny though, first thing I usually do when heading East to
West is SLEEP.
Msg #25427 Dated 10:49:03 11-17-91 25413 <--> 25428
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Hmmm... I thought terminal velocity was the speed limit at the airport.
Msg #25428 Dated 10:49:35 11-17-91 25420 <--> 25446
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
I'm trying to learn a little Japanese so that I'll be ready for the
Pete Biro/MAGIC! tour to the '94 FISM. I like rice, but you can have
my share of fish and vegggies.
Msg #25429 Dated 10:51:46 11-17-91 25414 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Yes - as far as the ages in my group go, I'm the middleman.
Msg #25430 Dated 10:52:24 11-17-91 25415 <--> 26034
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HARKEY
Yep. BUt I don't know if the Harkey flipper coin is the same or
different. I don't have the Harkey book and, apparently, this item
isn't in it anyway - it came from his lecture.
Msg #25431 Dated 10:54:44 11-17-91 25417 <--> 25444
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Wow! Looks like this is going to be some long trip on your part! Hope
all the shows go great - but, then again, I know they will!
I'd always thought that Chris and Marco were on their way to China.
Both were trips designed to cut out the middlemen - the taxes levied
along the way on oriental goods going over the "Silk Road." Chris may
have also had some other reasons for going, but we won't get into that.
Msg #25433 Dated 10:58:44 11-17-91 25422 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HOOKUP IN JAPAN
Great! Live MAGIC! coverage from Hong Kong! That's a place I've
always wanted to see!
Msg #25434 Dated 11:29:11 11-17-91 25362 <--> 25438
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Renters???? Those guys paid me my commission the other night in
Maryland and then I bought em dinner and loaned them the rest of
the money they paid me. BUT if they BREAK BIG my 10% is worth mega
bux. Yowsuh!!!!
Msg #25435 Dated 11:29:16 11-17-91 25363 <--> 25455
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: YO BRO
A Japanese guy who sounded like me and looked like Max Maven???
Msg #25436 Dated 11:47:01 11-17-91 25377 <--> 25437
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Hey, Geno, I like the two bs (tabbman) in tabman and think I will use
it thata way from now on. I just did some promo in which I said you
specialized in gripping card work.
Msg #25437 Dated 11:47:06 11-17-91 25381 <--> 25456
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
That's good news Geno and am looking 4ward to seeing what you have
in store for fme to reproduce. The shop should be back up and running
after the first of the year. The building I am buying for the shop
turns out to be more ramshackled than I first thought so is taking
more work to put in shape. Need new electric power, roof falling in
etc. The view of the pond is good tho. You'll see.
Msg #25438 Dated 11:47:12 11-17-91 25388 <--> 25440
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Hey Mr. Bizarre;
Yeah, send the crystals on
tabman
Cedar Forest Farm
760 Flatwoods Road
Lebanon, TN 37087
The energy on this property is pretty good especially toward the
back part of the 38 acres. It is limestone cave country and there
is some pretty "bizarre" looking vegatation, etc and rock formations.
Would love for you to visit anytime. Glo is great cook and loves
company. One requirement is that you really LOVE DOGGERS.
Msg #25439 Dated 11:47:22 11-17-91 25389 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ED MARLO
Glad to hear you held off on shipping. I was worried about them and
now can take them on.
Msg #25440 Dated 11:47:25 11-17-91 25394 <--> 25447
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
You know any of my MAGIC! friends (especially the head honker) are
welcome to visit us anytime (wear jeans). Speaking of honkers, I was
out by the pond this morning when I hear honking from the sky and
five Canadian geese flew in and landed on the pond. That is real
magic and a thrill to see and feel the energy from those beautiful
birds.
Msg #25443 Dated 12:52:37 11-17-91 25416 <--> 25457
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: COIN FLIPPER
I may be getting the harkey book later today if Byron has one in
stock... on way to his place.
Msg #25444 Dated 12:52:41 11-17-91 25417 <--> 25450
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
When you get back you got to get MY Method of getting the load of
coins. (Actually came from Willard, via his daughter Frances... who
taught it to me -- I have made a change in it) Pat Page has great
book on subject and way to nab the silver. Altho the Charlie Miller
handling is as good as anyone would want! Magic Inc's bell bucket
it the best!
Msg #25445 Dated 12:52:48 11-17-91 25419 <--> 25451
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CPU
I kept waking up at 3:30 AM for one week when I first went to Japan.
Then same thing when I got home. Why 3:30?
Msg #25446 Dated 12:52:52 11-17-91 25428 <--> 25453
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
GOHAN is the word for rice. Ask Maven for some key words.
Like in Mexico... La Cuenta para mi amigo por favor.
(The bill goes to my friend if you please!)
Msg #25447 Dated 12:52:57 11-17-91 25434 <--> 25448
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
I will buy their record.
Msg #25448 Dated 12:52:59 11-17-91 25438 <--> 25449
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
I understand the ENERGY is 110 AC
Msg #25449 Dated 12:53:02 11-17-91 25440 <--> 25470
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Hate to correct such an astute fellow... but they are not CANADIAN
GEESE. It is pronounced and spelled: "CANADA GEESE"...
.
You aren't offended are you? That is just one of my PET WORDS.
.
DUNNO WHY.
Msg #25450 Dated 12:55:28 11-17-91 25417 <--> 25458
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Geno,
I have a copy of "The Best in Magic" by Bruce Elliott in my hot
little hands, and in the introduction he says:
In the Foreword of my first book, "Magic as a Hobby,"
Orson Welles made this point: "It is entirely possible
that this excellent book should never have been
published....not for general sale."
His reasoning was that since magic is dependent
on mystery, any book or explanation serving to pull
aside the curtain of mystery does a disservice to magic
in general.
In the golden days of vaudeville this point would
have been well taken, for when the goateed greats like
Herrmann and Kellar were performing in every town, big
and small, magic was brought directly to the people, and
a person enchanted by it soon discovered ways of learning
how to become a magician.
But today, with vaudeville dead, with stage shows no
longer touring, (Blackstone is the last of the old-time
magicians to perform a full evening show), with too little
magic being shown on television--it seems to me that the
new magician must come from the ranks of those who read
books like this one. Otherwise magic is certain to become
a dead art.
Since I love magic dearly I would not like to see it
fade away, behind other hobbies.
He goes on to talk about the particular tricks in that book.
"The Best in Magic" was published in 1956 and is dedicated "for
Bunny and Judy, my favorite tricks."
I have to assume that "tricks" didn't have the same connotations
(or at least Mr. Elliott was unaware of them) in 1956 as they do
today.
Japan sounds like FUN! See it all once again for me.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25451 Dated 12:55:42 11-17-91 25425 <--> 25452
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
Maybe we are both wrong and adrenilin is the world's most perfect
drug.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25452 Dated 14:56:13 11-17-91 25426 <--> 25459
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CPU
Just can't get to bed yet for a long sleep, but have woken up just
to play with this computer. I will sleep good tommorrrow.
Msg #25453 Dated 14:56:20 11-17-91 25428 <--> 25464
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
Is Pete going to sponsor a tour? If so, not ah so, I will go. I do
love the food. I am waiting for my breakfast right now before I
go jogging on the streets of downtown Tokyo. It is a beautiful sunny
morining and I am overlooking a private residence that lies right in
the middle of the downtown high rises. So mysterious and so warm
all at the same time....The mixing of the old with the new is what
I really appreciate....for instance, the room service department
is so quick, after answering the tel, "Good morning Mr.Munari, how
can I help you?".....amazing......
Msg #25455 Dated 14:56:46 11-17-91 25435 <--> 25474
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YO BRO
No he sounded like you and looked like Kenny Rogers.
Msg #25456 Dated 14:56:52 11-17-91 25436 <--> 25475
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JAPAN
Carefull, I may have to let Miss Smallen examine my deck. The cards
my be similar to some that she has seen. By the way I saw Mr. Glip
the other night at Pat's.....as soon as someone said, "Do a trick",
it was non-stop for two hours.....amazing what magic can do.
Gary Darwin was right on when he said,"Magic is a hobby that no
matter if you get older, you get better."
Hone that lathe and wittle that knife 'cause we will make some gaffs.
Msg #25457 Dated 14:57:05 11-17-91 25443 <--> 25577
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COIN FLIPPER
Just found out that the flipper is in his notes.....Peteer-san
Msg #25458 Dated 14:57:11 11-17-91 25444 <--> 25460
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Fax me the methods if you can.....I really have the Ike dollars and
the stainless pot...FAX NUMBER IN JAPAN 03-3582-3707,
Msg #25459 Dated 14:57:17 11-17-91 25445 <--> 25466
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
In actual sleep time the difference is only 5 hours. That would put y
ou at 8:30 each am.
Msg #25460 Dated 14:57:24 11-17-91 25450 <--> 25462
From: GENO MUNARI
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
I don't have the same preface and he added a name. I am sure that
he mean't the word in a more literal meaning. Anyway, I like the
quote by W. Somerset Maugham, "Do you like card tricks?", I said
no. He did five.
Thanks for the info....I'll be reading it.
Msg #25462 Dated 15:12:34 11-17-91 25396 <--> 25465
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
No need to go to England; they also drive on the left in Japan.
Msg #25463 Dated 15:12:59 11-17-91 25411 <--> 25476
From: MAX MAVEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CRASH!!!
It's not clear to me why you want to reference South African politics.
Perhaps you meant "Mandala" ??
Msg #25464 Dated 15:13:41 11-17-91 25446 <--> 25468
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
You are correct, "gohan" is one of the various Japanese words for rice
(in honorific form). However, it is also commonly used to mean "meal"
(e.g., ban-gohan = "evening [honorific] rice" = "dinner").
Msg #25465 Dated 16:57:17 11-17-91 25450 <--> 25467
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Elliott was a very sharp guy and was involved with the New Phoenix.
A good friend of mine in the photo biz in NY used to be a close
friend of Elliott, but I never met him. I like all his work and I
think I have all his books.
Msg #25466 Dated 16:57:22 11-17-91 25452 <--> 25480
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CPU
Get some of that good hot Japanese Saki... that is where I ah
headed right now... Sushi Bar, Saki and good company!
Msg #25467 Dated 16:57:26 11-17-91 25458 <--> 25473
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Will see if I can find the Charlie Miller routine.. Is the best.
Msg #25468 Dated 16:57:29 11-17-91 25464 <--> 25488
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JAPAN
On my way to ban-gohan... thanks Max. I wish I could remember all
the words as Bobbi was using me to practice on when she learned to
write and speak Japanese. I just don't retain the stuff if I don't
use it! Argh...
Msg #25469 Dated 16:51:38 11-17-91 -> 25499
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS
My wife and I saw James Hamilton in the Parlour room of the Castle last
night. I was sitting there thinking "Why is he being so open with that
thumb tip. I hope nobody notices". My wife said, "Hey, that's a good
looking thumb tip he's got there. Much more natural looking than some
of the others I've seen here." (!) We were sitting more than halfway
back so I'm sure many others spotted it also. I've heard that you
should be able to use a bright red or a chrome plated tip as they
should never be visible anyway. It seems Mr. Hamilton's theory is if
you don't act as if anything is there, no one will notice. That might
have some merit if it was a perfect match for your skin tone but his
wasn't. I once saw Penn and Teller on David Letterman and Teller used
a tip which was as close to a perfect match as I have ever seen yet he
never let his hand remain motionless where it could be spotted.
Other than Mr. Hamilton I have never seen another performer be so open
with their tip. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Msg #25470 Dated 17:33:02 11-17-91 25447 <--> 25471
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Heck, you know if you want one I'll give it to you. Let the
musicalumpen buy the records!!!
Msg #25471 Dated 17:33:06 11-17-91 25448 <--> 25472
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
That kind of energy makes sense to me.
Msg #25472 Dated 17:33:09 11-17-91 25449 <--> 25483
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
CANADA GOOSE it is. I checked the Audubon Society book and you
are certainly right. I asked the old guy across the road what he
calls em and he said "dinner!" We are setting up for NO HUNTING
here on the Rancho DeCarlo howsomeever and are trying to attract
wildlife to a safe spot in a sea of shotguns. BTW, since you are
so knowledgable re: Canada Geese, WHAT DO THEY EAT?
Msg #25473 Dated 17:33:15 11-17-91 25450 <--> 25479
From: TABBY CRABB
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Bruce Elliott's books are among my favorites as is his Phoenix!!
_Magic As A Hobby_ has some great stuff in it. I have killed with
page 20 in a one on one situation!
Msg #25474 Dated 17:33:19 11-17-91 25455 <--> 25508
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: YO BRO
Zounds like a great trip, Geno, and one I hope to make at FISM time
next with Pete, et al. Thanks for taking the trouble and expense of
keeping us inforfmed about what is going on on the other side of
]the world...
Msg #25475 Dated 17:33:24 11-17-91 25456 <--> 25509
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
We certainly had a lot of fun visiting with you at Darwin's when
last in Vegas. Mr. Glip is still one of my favorites and the Smallen
is aptly named. I agree re: magic. It is a wonderful hobby and the
best part is the opportunity of meeting so many fine people. I wish
all my neighbors were magicians. Looking 4ward to seeing what you hav
for me to build.
Msg #25476 Dated 17:33:30 11-17-91 25463 <--> 25497
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CRASH!!!
Could be a "medicine wheel"! Oh, BTW, got the mail call thanks for
sending them back.
Msg #25477 Dated 19:19:27 11-17-91 25155 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: COLLECTORS
Too many faves to single any out...although I will say that Rene was
fantastic. Picked up a few books I've wanted and sold a few on the
consignment table. Yes, it's been busy around here, (fortunately).
Hope to catch up with ya soon
'Wayne.
Msg #25479 Dated 19:53:22 11-17-91 25465 <--> 25484
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
No, the "New Phoenix" period was post-Elliott, when it was taken over
by Jay Marshall and Norman Jensen, and after that Don Tanner, finally
Karl Fulves who morphed it into "Pallbearers Review."
Bruce Elliott founded the "Phoenix" with Walter Gibson, and edited it
through 300 issues. (Gibson dropped out rather early on.)
Msg #25480 Dated 19:54:54 11-17-91 25466 <--> 25485
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CPU
Saki was a writer of short stories. Sake is Japanese rice wine.
Msg #25482 Dated 20:45:48 11-17-91 -> 25492
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: FOX
Hey, California! If you guys are still reading, try to
catch the Amazing Jonathan on Fox Sunday Comics
TONIGHT. He does some great blindfold bits I haven't
seen before.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #25483 Dated 21:45:25 11-17-91 25440 <--> 25518
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: STUFF-N-THANGS
Tell you the truth, Tabman, I envy you that spread with the Canadian
geese, the pond, the woods, etc. I often think that if we didn't have
to live in Los Angeles, we'd be back in the Southeast enjoyin' life.
Guess I can console myself by goin' to the Castle - but you are right,
the magic there is not as strong as the magic of geese landing in the
sunset.
Msg #25484 Dated 21:53:46 11-17-91 25462 <--> 25494
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: JAPAN
I didn't realize that they drove on the left in Japan. Guess I'll have
to learn to try to fish the map out of the glove compartment with my
left hand.
Msg #25485 Dated 21:57:22 11-17-91 25451 <--> 25486
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CPU
OK, I give up. I do know that chocolate is the world's most perfect
food.
Msg #25486 Dated 21:58:28 11-17-91 25452 <--> 25487
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CPU
I think it is hard not to get "wired" when you travel. After too many
sleepless nights/days around the World I've come up with a couple of
techniques that seem to help me. 1) I've got one of those neck pillows
that inflates and fits around your neck like a collar. I always use it
on long flights. 2) I drink lots of fruit juices, especially orange
and grapefruit juice, during and after the flight. Don't know if these
things would help everyone, but they seem to help me.
Msg #25487 Dated 22:01:56 11-17-91 25480 <--> 25501
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CPU
Aside: "Good one, Max!"
Msg #25488 Dated 22:15:37 11-17-91 25446 <--> 25489
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Great! "La Cuenta para mi amigo por favor" is perfect! Sure hope they
understand Spanish in Japan.
Msg #25489 Dated 22:16:39 11-17-91 25453 <--> 25495
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Pete is supposed to put together the MAGIC! tour to the '94 FISM. He's
supposed to be working on a budget package, but one that will delight
and dazzle the MAGIC! members.
Msg #25492 Dated 22:23:46 11-17-91 25482 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: FOX
Thanks for the television alert, Steve! Hope somebody catches it!
Msg #25493 Dated 22:25:19 11-17-91 -> 25598
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ROBOT AT TAPER
Hi, Jer -
I'm semisomnambulant from an excellent dinner (Thai crab cakes, curried
rice and artichoke salad, chicken stuffed with goat's cheese, and
tiramisu) but I wanted to tell you that one of the stars of the current
Mark Taper production, Alan Ayckbourn's Henceforward (thru December
29th), is supposed to be a robot nanny - NAN300F. While the role is
quite obviously performed by a human, she is not described in the
playbill, which includes the line "and featuring NAN300F as herself."
The play is pretty complex (I was almost tempted to call it "theater of
the abstruse") but, as is usual for the Taper, the production and the
acting are superb. You might want to check it out.
Msg #25494 Dated 23:40:53 11-17-91 25417 <--> 25498
From: T A WATERS
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
Elliott was editor of The Phoenix, to which most of the material in
CLASSIC SECRETS OF MAGIC (original title of the book you mention) was
due. He also was a pro editor of magazines and a fiction writer, and
contributed to The Jinx, etc. Judy is Judy Elliott, his daughter --
and I don't know about the custom in Vegas, but anywhere else a trick
(in modern slang) is a hooker's customer. Elliott was writing forty
years ago, when it did not have that connotation at all.
Msg #25495 Dated 23:47:11 11-17-91 25400 <--> 25510
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
Up to a point -- but when the human body attains 125 mph it has reached
terminal (in more than one sense) velocity.
Msg #25497 Dated 0:08:02 11-18-91 25463 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CRASH!!!
Yeah, I suppose you're right. Although the original puts some
interesting aspects to the conversation.
Enjoy!
Kevin
p.s. when are you performing in the area again? I missed the
last show, and would enjoy seeing you.
Msg #25498 Dated 0:08:07 11-18-91 25465 <--> 25500
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Pete,
I just kinda stumbled over this book. I like to go to swap meets
and buy old books. I've gotten some WONDERFUL books that way.
This was one of them.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #25499 Dated 0:08:12 11-18-91 25469 <--> 25506
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS
Stan,
Did you see the Penn and Tellers special ("Don't Try This at
Home") where they gave the entire audience thumb tips?
Many of my friends didn't notice the tips even after playing the
tape back. Perception is an interesting ally.
Enjoy!
Kevin
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