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Msg #26500 Dated 12:25:35 11-25-91 -> 26508
From: BILL WELLS
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
It sounds like a fascinating town to visit and possibly to host a
small invitation only close up convention. We need at least a 1500
seat theatre and a 500 plus room hotel for starters. Of course, with
that mural, we wouldn't have to worry about an audience. Probably
about as responsive as most magician audiences anyhow.
Say...your reports of your travels in the far East are great! Thanks
for sharing them with us.
Msg #26501 Dated 16:00:16 11-25-91 -> 26521
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
I would REALLY like a copy of your lecture notes Pete!
If you don't have my address it's 9250 Sunland Blvd. #11, Sun Valley,
CA 91352. Thanks!
Msg #26502 Dated 16:03:25 11-25-91 -> 26549
From: ROBERT CANSLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Do you know which section of Cambridge he is located in their are 5
different Zip codes or did you want to send it to the main campus.
central square area 02139,harvard square area 02138, Kendall square
area 02142, North Cambridge 02140, I will find out what the main
campus address is if that is what you want.
regards
bob Cansler
Msg #26503 Dated 16:10:04 11-25-91 -> 26510
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: LETTER
No need to thank me for my letter, with the trick enclosed.
I do realize that it is more important to talk about smoking on an
airplane than it is to thank a friend for going to the trouble of
sending information that once upon a time you wanted.
(Evan-is that too long a sentence?)
Msg #26504 Dated 16:17:26 11-25-91 -> 26541
From: STAN LAKE
To: BART BISHOP (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
Have you been working on the muscle pass? If so, how's it coming?
Johnny Ace Palmer can shoot one up about 18 inches or so. He can make
two go up about a foot and he can make it look like he can pop FOUR
half dollars up about a foot also! He shows four coins in the left
hand and retains two of them while apparently dumping all four into the
right hand. He pops up the two which he catches in the left hand which
still has two palmed and opens up his hand to show all four! It gets
lots of OOHS! and AHHS! from magicians!
Msg #26505 Dated 16:31:22 11-25-91 -> 26692
From: STAN LAKE
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MAGIC MENU
Sign me up for the past issues of Magic Menu and one years
subscription. I'll write out a check as soon as I log off.
That's $30.00, right? Thank you!
Msg #26507 Dated 16:37:33 11-25-91 -> 26511
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
Well, whatever you think. Just tell the pilot to fly carefully.
Msg #26508 Dated 16:38:16 11-25-91 -> 26580
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Amaragosa does not qualify! Last time I was there, there was one
resturant. Next closest one is 40 or more miles away and there is NO
nearby car rental agency. The Opera House seats about 100, but I think
the town only sleeps 24.
Msg #26510 Dated 16:45:25 11-25-91 26503 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LETTER
Uh, to be honest, Marvin, I didn't want to bring up the matter of the
letter I got from you. I wasn't the one who asked for it! And since
that kinda indicated that your memory was failing (and we know that is
the second thing to go, so there are implications for the first
thing...) I figured I would just trust to the possibility that you had
also sent the thing on to the guy who had actually asked for it.
Msg #26511 Dated 17:16:51 11-25-91 -> 26542
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
Thanks Bill. We may bag some up and see what happens with it. We have
a ton of it. Have been doing some research on it but still don't know
much about lichen except it AIN'T MOSS. Guess we can talk in person i
n a week or so so will can it til then. Have a GREAT TURKEY DAY!!!!
with the family.
tabman
Msg #26514 Dated 17:49:44 11-25-91 26347 <--> 26520
From: GENO MUNARI
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Tell David, that yo are all making a specia trip to see him....and
if he is watching, and I think he does under an assumed, please
say heelo to all magic members.......HIS SHOW WILL KNOCK YOUR
SOCKS OFF.....
Msg #26515 Dated 17:49:53 11-25-91 -> 26581
From: GENO MUNARI
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
You probably did not know how good you were!
Msg #26516 Dated 17:49:59 11-25-91 -> 26526
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: DUCKING OUT OF HONG KONG
How do you like the title of that thread. Duck-ing? Yes and I am qui
te happy, going to this wierd place near Chinese border to do
a special show for some big taco.......This should be fun, I have
made cards up, 12" x 14" that say pick card, think of card, applause
time to pay performer etc...........tips accepted,.......
Then after this, back to Tokyo,,,,,and can't wait.
Msg #26517 Dated 17:50:12 11-25-91 -> 26552
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: HONG KONG GAGS
I am in the air in this Boeing 747-400, which have the most modern s
eats, personal TV all electric recliner, sushi bar and Geisha girls,
no, no, just kiding about the Girls......I have just made a note of
some gags that I have been using from Gagsterisms, by Ali. He
really put out some great material....One gag that got so many laughs
wa the hank in my pocket gimmick.....I came out with the serpent sil
silk, and it untied itself a couple of times....then I produced
a dove, this is not original but was done by someone wh just simply
skips my mind at the moment.....I then reach into my breast pocket
for my hank, tht is protruding, I will pretend to use it for the nex
t part of the effect..........however after pulling it out, it turns
out to be a pair of womens, sexy lacy underwear, sure to get a laugh.
Msg #26518 Dated 17:50:33 11-25-91 -> 26527
From: GENO MUNARI
To: E
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
n
I just saw a really small Fujitsu palm top that is unbelievable,
it has a fax capability directly from the computer, according to
the man that has it. He gave me his card and said that I could get i
t through him at a big discount.....this is really something. You
will really like this one.
Geno Munari
Msg #26519 Dated 17:50:47 11-25-91 -> 26528
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: JAPAN
I was in this small street where they have a market place, I guess
this city is called Ma Huin, anyway that is how it sounds. Technic-
ally we are inside Red China....this is wild.......I found this
open air type swap meet.....everything for sale, even used clothes an
handbags, probally lifted from someone.....anyway I picked up some
foulards, (remember that magic term, much like secure your feke',
beautiful silk, however when I went to pay for it, the lady could
not change my $500 note.....she held it in the air, looked at both
sides, and called some man over to check it out. At first I
thought she did not have the currency.....hen this poor unassuming
lady reached into her dress, and pulled out a wad that would choke
a fat chinese person. She made change so fast, I couldn't believe
my eyes...Faster than a paper currency baccarat dealer, like they
used to have in Las Vegas........I found out that she was
afraid the money was counterfeit.......
Still can't find any chinese magicians, I have the right tel numbers
but Mr. Tam seems very hard to locate. First number I had, the lady
that answered, said, "He no live here no more." That must mean
"no mas", then she gave me another number, and the gentleman, notice
how I prefaced that, said, "try other number". Still can't locate
him. We are like two magic tables passing in the night.
I also have inquired about the Birosan POPCORN gaff, and I was
told you don't see it anymore because the police don't allow it.
I really at this point have a "yen" for Spanish rice. Maybe
I will find a Mexican Chinese person who could make some for me.
I feel like Marco Polo, who by the way is the reason you find
rip off versions of Polo shirts in Taiwan........
Just think I could be in Wichita, Kansas right now....or Skokie, Ill.
or some other very glamorous American garden delight.......
I think I will do a version of the rice bowls tonight at a party,
and use rice wine instead of water..........
Chat at you all later..........
PS. It is definitely the water..............
Msg #26520 Dated 18:53:50 11-25-91 -> 26522
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Errr-ahhh - Yea right that's what meant Western & Wilshire. The
parking lot is south of Wilshire. No I havn't been to the beach in
months.
Msg #26521 Dated 18:53:52 11-25-91 26501 <--> 26524
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
Can I get a copy of the notes - puleeeze !
10471 S. Brookhurst St.
Anaheim, CA 92804
Msg #26522 Dated 18:53:55 11-25-91 26514 <--> 26596
From: JERRY BURTON
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
In that case I ain't gonna wear no socks - see what he does to my
shoes !
Msg #26523 Dated 19:17:08 11-25-91
From: JACK TAVES
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MICKEY MOUSE MAGICIAN
Yea that's what i have and love it. they are selling from $100.00
to $175 in mint condition. the one for 1955 go for $2500.00
that is mint in box. there are supost to be 1500 in
circulati1500 in circulation. i can get one for $1800.00 but not in the
box. and no instructions. but in mint condition, all the parts
are in good condition. if you find one hang on to it for dear
life. i check every antique store and swap meet you never know
when one will pop up. thanks for the information. if
i find two i'll let you know. you might want to look into getting
a burger kink doll that does magic. they sell now for 30.00
and growing more every year. but make sure it has the box
and instructions. that's what helps them hold there value.
thanks again. think Magic!
Msg #26524 Dated 19:59:53 11-25-91 26521 <--> 26535
From: STAN LAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
Jerry- tell Pete you want the notes, not me! You must have responded
to my plea to Pete for the same notes.
Msg #26525 Dated 20:11:57 11-25-91 -> 26556
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: JAPAN
Also sorry to hear of the multiple and unimaginative
Professor's Nightmare presentations. It seems to me
that the easiest way to avoid duplication is for the
magicians to simply talk to each other. On the rare
occasions that I work the Close-Up Gallery, I always
make it a point to catch the other guy's act, partly to
avoid duplication, and partly because it is usually a
treat. It did come up one night that I needed to drop
an effect. I do a slightly (very slightly) different
version of Goshman's handling of the Devano deck. One
night while I was working, Albert came in to work the
overflow crowds in the Wine Cellar. I talked to Albert
about it before we went on, and he was very nice and
said I should do it anyway, that it wouldn't bother him
at all. But I didn't -- it just wouldn't have been
right. (Critics could easily say that I didn't want to
suffer by comparison. That would also be true, I
suppose, but it wasn't my motivation.) It goes back to
the "performing rights" clause in the recent Bruce
Cervon book. It just doesn't seem right to perform the
same basic effect on the same bill with the originator,
even if you did pay him for it. It shouldn't matter
whether it is legal or not, it is just simple courtesy.
*
As to the Professor's Nightmare, I'm not certain who
should have dropped it, probably all of them. But
banning an effect isn't really the answer either,
because someone is going to come along and stun the
other magi with a fresh presentation or method. (On
this effect, for example, I haven't seen the Wenk
method. Is it truly an improvement?) A few years
back, everyone was knocking the linking rings, and
arguing that they should be banned. Then Richard Ross
came along with his beautiful 4-ring routine, and the
effect looked like magic again. Today the zombie is
magic's outcast. But I'm sure someone will someday
breathe life back into it. For example, Lin Searles
once told me of a great move where the magician was
holding the cloth, and he leaned impossibly forward as
the ball floated away from him (a la Christopher Bell's
"Incline" illusion currently advertised in GENII).
I've never seen this, but always thought this would
look great if I ever wanted to do zombie. I don't
recall who the originator was.
*
At any rate, it's hard to believe the guys didn't talk
it over. Or that one of the staff didn't catch onto
the duplication.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #26526 Dated 20:29:01 11-25-91 26516 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DUCKING OUT OF HONG KONG
Sounds like you are going to have fun, Geno! Just don't get your 12"
x 14" cards in the wrong order! Have you told Arnaud his card yet? Or
do you figure that Pete's call was close enough?
Msg #26527 Dated 20:30:26 11-25-91 26518 <--> 26553
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Wow! That Fujitsu sounds like a killer! Fax in a palmtop. Hope it
can support a modem too! We will definitely have to talk about these
palmtop things when you get back!
Msg #26528 Dated 20:32:36 11-25-91 26519 <--> 26935
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: JAPAN
You called in from Mainland China? THAT is incredible! I think that
is a new World's record for MAGIC! Send me your faxe number (on the
palmtop) and I'll faxe you some Spanish rice.
Msg #26530 Dated 20:52:52 11-25-91 -> 26561
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
Gottit.
'W.
Msg #26532 Dated 20:54:30 11-25-91 -> 26562
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
Bob Sheets uses INSOMNIA by Wenk. He did it in IBM Baltimore and
I saw him do it at a Renasance Fair. It is Professor's Nightmare
but looks different. As with all Bob does, it's great!!!
Msg #26534 Dated 20:54:57 11-25-91 -> 26563
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
Spectator's ring, with a lot of backstage effort - I'm sure.
Msg #26535 Dated 20:55:03 11-25-91 -> 26554
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
I have the one for 1971 - God that's 20 years ago. That was for
the T.A.O.M. Then there is #2. Then there is Biro's dozen. They
look like originals but Xerox is good these days. I don't know
where I got them but I know I didn't ask for them as I didn't
know who you were then.
Msg #26536 Dated 20:55:12 11-25-91 -> 26539
From: CY KELLER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Was it a lecture or a _performance_? I assume the latter. How can
I (we) find out how to get it? I hope all of the greats will do
as Albert Goshman did ie. Put out a book with everything and a
tape thereof. Again maybe they should go without tipping. I can't
judge. Benson, Duval etc. left with their secrets untold.
Msg #26537 Dated 20:55:21 11-25-91 -> 26592
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Can you give any further information? Even private?
Msg #26539 Dated 21:06:31 11-25-91 26536 <--> 26565
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
As I understand, it was a first and only lecture appearance. Wouldn't
that be wonderful! Anyway, I recall him talking about having excellent
conditions - perhaps at a University. Maybe there was some agreement
about not releasing it?
Msg #26541 Dated 21:38:42 11-25-91 -> 26586
From: PETE BIRO
To: BART BISHOP (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
Just saw the 30 minute TV sell of Ammar... he has covered every
angle!!! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... hope it builds a huge number of
people that buy my books and come to our conventions. Only time
will tell!
Msg #26542 Dated 21:38:48 11-25-91 -> 26803
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
Hey watch that crap "as long as the Biro isn't with us"....arhg...
Grrrrr.... I won't tell YOU what I found today.
Msg #26545 Dated 21:39:03 11-25-91 -> 26809
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Yeh... I threw a curve that didn't break and he didn't move!
Msg #26549 Dated 21:39:16 11-25-91 26502 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ROBERT CANSLER (X)
Re: BAD VIBES
Thanks Bob... I got the phone nr sorted out, appreciate the effort.
Msg #26552 Dated 21:40:23 11-25-91 26517 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HONG KONG GAGS
i HAVE A SEVEN FOOT LONG NYLON STOCKING FOR THAT GAG....
Msg #26553 Dated 21:40:26 11-25-91 26518 <--> 26560
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Did he have a display of them hanging inside his coat?
Msg #26554 Dated 21:40:29 11-25-91 26521 <--> 26555
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
You got it bro... ONE LEFT!!!!
Msg #26555 Dated 21:40:32 11-25-91 26524 <--> 26564
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
sTAN... YOU GOT SET COMING...
Msg #26556 Dated 21:40:36 11-25-91 26525 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: JAPAN
One of the Originality Winners at FISM was for a new handling/gaff
for the Zombie... the lad did some incredible moves. The gimmick
was of compeltely different construction.
Msg #26557 Dated 21:40:40 11-25-91 -> 26591
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: THREAD BOOK
Ee;26525
Mark Burger at House of Magic in San Francisco has a few of the
Braco "Thread Books" left. This book tells you all about the
invisible thread work, hooks ups, kind of thread and weight that
it will lift... etc... Actually Mark has a HUGE SELECTION of books
on hand... including Pretty Sneaky and Close up time (Don Alan) and
a few of the different Bruce Elliott books. And lots of the new
stuff... good guy to deal with too. He has a lot of small rare
stuff from the 30s and 40s...
Msg #26559 Dated 21:41:01 11-25-91 -> 26573
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: VISITING MAGE
Ee;26525
Met an Italian Magician today... he seems to be "very sharp" and
he is working a round the world cruise... looking for Illusions
to buy as well. He was in San Francisco today (Tues) and may be
here again tomorrow. Then the boat heads south to L.A. area...a
He has a gorgeous assistant with him and they both are going to
call to try to visit the Castle... They speak some English. More
than I do Italian.
.
They are acquainted with Silvan... Italy's No. ONE TV Magician...
and hopefully if any of you run into them, take some time and
chat... nice people.
.
His name (on his card) is; ERIX.
Medium built, curly black hair. Was wearing black leather clothes
and I told him the olde fashioned Castle would ask that they show
up dressed in coat and tie and a dress for the lady...
.
I have good vibes here... sometimes you can just tell... they know
all the right people in Europe and had same opinions on some of
the acts at FISM that I did...
.
Saw another incredibly original russian act today on the Ammar
Soviet Visit tape... and Galina with her sensuous Linking Ring act.
,
Her picture MUST GO IN THE BOOK.
.
Hey anyone out there remember the Vietnamese magician that did
the linking rings while UNDER A BEDSHEET? He was onstage, with the
sheet over him, he handled the rings, which were outside the sheet,
from within..... and anybody (other than Max) know Bob Swadling's
daughter's first name?
.
It is ok if you answer Max... Sorry to keep nailing you, but you
have the memory that I do not!
Msg #26560 Dated 21:47:57 11-25-91 26527 <--> 26572
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
If he is smart he will bring back a suitcase full of them and
give them to the board of MAGIC! for Xmas.... hahahahahah
Msg #26561 Dated 21:48:01 11-25-91 26530 <--> 26578
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
Got TIT? Got what? Remember I use IMP and cannot go B and see what
the original message be...
Msg #26562 Dated 21:48:05 11-25-91 26532 <--> 26568
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: JAPAN
Sheets is toooo good and needs to be banned!
Msg #26563 Dated 21:48:08 11-25-91 26534 <--> 26583
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
Thanks about ring item.
Msg #26564 Dated 21:48:11 11-25-91 26535 <--> 26584
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
You still don't know who I am... hope to meet you some time...
Msg #26565 Dated 21:48:14 11-25-91 26536 <--> 26579
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
I looked at the Video of Benson doing the Salt Trick and I could
not figure out the finish. Cleaner than anything I have ever seen.
Glad to NOT KNOW... Are you referring to DuVall's smoking thumb
having gone with him? Or something else of his? I saw him do it
on film at Snag Werris' home one day. I firmly believe he and Kaps
had the same method. Fred left his gimmick to me (and another dupe
to Mullica).
Msg #26568 Dated 22:12:58 11-25-91 26532 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: JAPAN
Sheets is a wild dude!
Msg #26572 Dated 22:25:13 11-25-91 26560 <--> 26870
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Yeah! I had the SAME THOUGHT! Geno SHOULD bring back a suitcase of
those Fujitsu palmtops for his friends!
Msg #26573 Dated 22:28:02 11-25-91 26559 <--> 26604
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VISITING MAGE
Tell your Italian buddy that if he will crash his Ferrari into the
Super Pig, we will throw one heck of a MAGIC! luncheon for him! We'll
kiss them both, give 'em medals, pour vino like water, you name it!
Msg #26574 Dated 23:00:35 11-25-91 -> 26924
From: GENO MUNARI
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: JAPAN-HONG KONG
That's right.
Msg #26575 Dated 23:00:41 11-25-91 26371 <--> 26595
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
I feel as though I am on chase for the illusive magician.
Msg #26578 Dated 23:01:02 11-25-91 -> 26615
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
Ok. But I wonder how he can possibly make it work,,,,,there is
a lot of competition and rent on the strip is real expensive.
Msg #26579 Dated 23:01:08 11-25-91 -> 26611
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
I would love to see it.....Jimmy Grippo just raves about him.
Msg #26580 Dated 23:01:14 11-25-91 26500 <--> 26804
From: GENO MUNARI
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Thanks Bill, it has been fun. There are really several towns
out this way that may foot the bill, I will forward more details
when I return home.
Msg #26581 Dated 23:32:02 11-25-91 -> 26593
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
Sorry, no good suggestions. If you have a Scanjet, it's limited
by the number of shades available. It wasn't until Scanjet+ that
they could handle 256 grey scale shades. This, I believe, is the
main limitation.
I use Scanjet as a scanner for a computer fax and only need 2
colors, no half tones or dithering. I'm disappointed in Scangal
as I've spent as much as an hour of retries before I get a good
combination of brightness and contrast to get a usable image.
Recently, I've been using a set of programs called SunScan and
Image Tools, which handle several scanners (including Scanjet)
and do a fairly good job of image touch ups. I used them for
"VEGAS.GIF".
David (the other one)
Msg #26582 Dated 23:32:23 11-25-91 -> 26585
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: KRESKIN
When I can find them, I like the "Aristocrat" cards. They have a
very subtle one way pattern in the beaded border pattern. They're
shaded only on one side of the beads to give them a 3D effect.
From what I've seen, most of the Bicycle errors have been
corrected. Most recently, they fixed the Ace of Spades. It used
to be easy to spot by an odd sized curl unique only to that card.
David (the other one)
Msg #26583 Dated 23:32:43 11-25-91 -> 26640
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
Were you the one asking about the arthritic ring? I have a
jeweler's supply catalog that carries two types, only one can be
used for our needs. They sell half a ring shank designed for a
jewelry maker to cut and add in to a customer's band. Doesn't
look very good, but makes me wonder that it may have been the
inspiration for what we have today.
David (the other one)
Msg #26584 Dated 23:37:43 11-25-91 -> 26601
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
Any notes left? I'd love to have a copy (autographed perhaps?)
Address is:
5057 Myrtlewood Ave, Las Vegas, NV 89122
Many thanks!
David (the other one)
Msg #26585 Dated 23:54:23 11-25-91 -> 26616
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KRESKIN
No; the deck -- still, as indicated, available today, has THREE wings,
making for a very noticeable reverse if you are looking for it.
Msg #26586 Dated 0:06:12 11-26-91 26541 <--> 26618
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
Although from the standpoint of a writer who has a book out I should
want more people to be interested in magic -- I am not sure that it is
altogether a Good Thing. Just a thought...
Msg #26591 Dated 1:18:59 11-26-91 26557 <--> 26619
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THREAD BOOK
How do we reach Mark Burger, Pete?
Msg #26592 Dated 1:19:42 11-26-91 26537 <--> 26597
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
There is a video of one of Del's full-length close-up performances at
a Tannen's Jubilee, and another of a show at the SAM convention in
Louisville. Both are from the 1980s. Neither is terrific quality in
terms of camera work and sound recording, but both are splendid
documents. Very few copies exist of either tape. They were done with
Del's permission, and and those that own authorized dubs have agreed
not to make further copies.
Msg #26593 Dated 1:22:56 11-26-91 -> 26594
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
David,
The simalarities between our eccentric behaviours is beginning to
worry me. At least the rest of your computer area isn't taken
over by recording and music equipment.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26594 Dated 1:23:02 11-26-91 -> 26600
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
David,
I always thought the Olivetti was the same animal with a
different skin. I'm glad, in that case, that I wound up with my
100.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26595 Dated 1:23:07 11-26-91 26371 <--> 26614
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
Geno,
I always feel a little guilty everytime I write to you while
you're "Over there" because I keep imagining how much it is
costing you. When I see a little rambling, it puts me more at
ease, as well as give a great picture of what is happening. Keep
it up!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26596 Dated 1:23:12 11-26-91 -> 26598
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Stan,
I see that David answered the time question. I believe the plan
is to eat after the show, but we still haven't decided on where.
It has been suggested that, while not very good food, Cantor's
would be able to accomadate 25 diverse people. Any other
suggestions would be most welcome.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26597 Dated 1:23:18 11-26-91 -> 26620
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Cy,
Is the time of apprentice magicians gone? The more I try to
learn from just the literature, the more frustrated I get. Any
suggestions out in this neck of the woods?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26598 Dated 1:23:23 11-26-91 -> 26602
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Jerry,
I am planning on wearing a dark Irish fishing sweater. I am
about 6'2'' tall, and about 240 pounds. I have strange looking
eyes (they don't agree as to which direction they will look) and
glasses. I am caucasion with light brn hair, units in the
vicinity please report any ..... WAIT A MINUTE! Okay, I'm back.
See you Sunday!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26599 Dated 1:23:29 11-26-91 26349 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Good idea on the countries Pete. Wanta go in on one together?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26600 Dated 1:23:33 11-26-91 -> 26621
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Pete,
I don't know why the Queen of Hearts or the Four of Clubs gets so
much attention, but I do seem to recall this being so. Another
great tidbit for those who are deciding on careers in bogus
Psychic phenonemon. Good money in that. Maybe I'll try it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26601 Dated 1:23:39 11-26-91 -> 26617
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
Pete,
Kevin E. Curtin
3058 Flanders
Riverside, CA 92507
Am I among the first five to ask?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26602 Dated 1:23:43 11-26-91 26514 <--> 26933
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Geno,
My socks will be knocked off regardless, but yeah, I'm looking
forward to seeing it. Thanks for the inspirational note. Maybe
if David is watching, he'll invite us backstage afterwards. (was
that too subtle, or do you think I should work it into the
conversation some more?)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26604 Dated 1:25:26 11-26-91 26559 <--> 26613
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VISITING MAGE
Hmm. Off the top of my head, I can tell you that Bob's _wife_ is named
Valerie, but the daughter's name escapes me.
Msg #26605 Dated 5:56:01 11-26-91 -> 26872
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ONE-WAY
Jerry, I have some bicycle decks from the 50's and 60's and they don't
have that particular marking on them. The League deck, TA mentioned
are the best you can buy, although making your own is easy also. TA,
was too modest to mention it, but one of the best effects with a
one-way is on his video. Well worth checking out.
Charlie
Msg #26611 Dated 7:41:28 11-26-91 26579 <--> 26687
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Ken Norris can be reached for more info on this, at Magician's Video
Network. The address is: 821 Pat Lane / Huntingtown, MD 20639
301-855-6026.
Del Ray is certainly one of my all time favorites - it would be very
enlightening to hear him talk about his performing philosophies. His
style of performing, his selection of material, his method of
entertaining in a close up arena for 2 hours running, etc... are all
backed by decades of experience. These things would interest me more
than what particular tricks he performed. Although I would be
fascinated in his criteria for performance material. What does he look
for in an effect, and why? How does he balance tricks that involve the
audience with effects they just watch? Are there "mini-sets" of
openings and closeing in the body of that 2 hour close up session? Are
they all openers? All closers? Does he plan one opening, an hour and
40 minutes of "body" material, followed by his one big closer? Yeah,
there are a lot of questions I'd like to ask Del Ray!
Msg #26613 Dated 9:27:24 11-26-91 26573 <--> 26624
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VISITING MAGE
You will know if the Pig has departed because in its place will be
a carved signature, in VI Century Roman... CIAO MOFOS...
Msg #26614 Dated 9:27:28 11-26-91 26575 <--> 26626
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
OR THE SHROUD OF TURIN?
Msg #26615 Dated 9:27:31 11-26-91 26578 <--> 26851
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
I understand it is just a bar within a joint... ??? Didn't get
nosey... if you know what I mean...
Msg #26616 Dated 9:27:35 11-26-91 26582 <--> 26631
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: KRESKIN
Must have been an "inside" marking the Ace of S! Bet a run of
Blackjack hands hit somewhere!
Msg #26617 Dated 9:27:39 11-26-91 26584 <--> 26622
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
JUST IN TIME... LAST COPY... TO THE UDDER ONE.... Will see if I
can find someone to autograph it... Karrell Fox autographed my
notes at one convention. We like to have fun and make 'em wonder.
Msg #26618 Dated 9:27:44 11-26-91 26586 <--> 26765
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
I know... but something is going to happen because of the video.
My guess a lot of "dudes" seeing the pretty women on the tape say
things like, "Gee you are wonderful" etc. will bring a rush of
sales....
Msg #26619 Dated 9:27:49 11-26-91 26591 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: THREAD BOOK
Mark Burger House of Magic: 2025 Chestnut St., San Francisco, CA
94123. Tel: 415-346-2218
Tell him I sentcha... good guy, known him since he was a little kid
when he hung around the shop (run by his dad).
Msg #26620 Dated 9:27:55 11-26-91 26597 <--> 26653
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Start a magic club that meets at your place!
Msg #26621 Dated 9:27:58 11-26-91 26600 <--> 26628
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Bogus anything is cool these days. Get some "Official" ID cards
printed up. Sell Diplomas to various orders (religious -- invent
your own, or Psychic, ditto). I once sold car plaques that read,
"Competition Observer's Club... no meetings, no dues, no sweat...
Just get out and Observe!"
Msg #26622 Dated 9:28:05 11-26-91 26601 <--> 26682
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
You were the SEVENTH... but being the wonderful person that I am
I will knock someone ahead of you off the list and send.
Msg #26624 Dated 9:28:24 11-26-91 26604 <--> 26632
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: VISITING MAGE
I have tried to think of her name as well... I know Val and just
can't get it out... Have written Bob but no reply as yet...
Msg #26626 Dated 9:53:19 11-26-91 26575 <--> 26925
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
Apparelty, no one knows anyone in Hong Kong with a permanent address!
Msg #26628 Dated 9:57:59 11-26-91 26581 <--> 26629
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Thanks for the info on SunScan. My current wildness is Windows so I'm
looking for a scan program that will run under that. I may call HP and
see if they ever upgraded ScanGal since I think I have version one.
Yes, the ScanJet is great for fax, pretty reasonable for OCR, and OK
for line art. It falls apart on pictures. Guess I've got to save up
my money and spring for the color scanner. How many thousand we
talkin'?
Msg #26629 Dated 10:01:19 11-26-91 26593 <--> 26630
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Uh, er, no the rest of my computer area isn't taken up with recording
and music equipment... It is in the other room - Amiga MIDI interface,
Yamaha PSS-480, LIVE!(tm) video framegrabber, and virtually every video
and audio format except DAT.
Msg #26630 Dated 10:03:49 11-26-91 26594 <--> 26651
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
The Olivetti is almost the same animal - but the addresses are
different in some critical areas. Also different socketting for the
memory chips, etc. More like a semi-compatible. It is very
frustrating, but very sleek looking.
Msg #26631 Dated 10:05:40 11-26-91 26585 <--> 26676
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: KRESKIN
WHose deck is the three wing deck? I don't seem to have any around.
There is, of course, a rather lovely flaw in the Aviator bridge deck -
one that is, to the best of my knowledge, still there.
Msg #26632 Dated 10:16:46 11-26-91 26613 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VISITING MAGE
Believe me, if the Pig disappears, there will be NO NEED to leave a
ransom note!
Msg #26635 Dated 11:20:18 11-26-91
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: NEEDED INFO
Thanks for passing on the needed data (phone number). Hope things are
well with you. Am making good progress on the act. May have
something for you to look at by the middle of next month. How's
tricks? Hope you and the Mrs. have a nice Thanksgiving. Give me a
call if you have time. MIKE.
Msg #26636 Dated 12:05:07 11-26-91 -> 26642
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Pete says part of the reason for the amount of coverage Chris is
getting for Thing is due to the PR budget and the fact they don't
have enough money to send the stars out. Reviews here has been quite
good, although I also understand this is not uniformly the case in
all locations.
Msg #26639 Dated 12:05:41 11-26-91 -> 26663
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOTKEY
The Program Editor (PE) in WordPerfect is an excellent editor that I
suspect you already have on your Hard Drive.
Msg #26640 Dated 12:05:49 11-26-91 -> 26664
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
I think Jerry Mentzer already put a portion of the routine in his
"Ring" book. The routine uses a regular finger ring, a split ring, a
half ring, and a ring permanently mounted onto a safety pin. Are you
using anything about any rings in your book? I thought it was about
linking rings as in the larger stage version of the effect. I don't
know how Scotty would feel about using it in a book.
Msg #26642 Dated 12:06:18 11-26-91 -> 26666
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
I wondered why he was getting all the PR...what a great break for
Chris...now if he can just follow it up with a toy version of Thing
in time for Xmas!
Just think of how rich you are gonna be with all these jobs.
Msg #26643 Dated 12:06:31 11-26-91 -> 26667
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
I have at least one of those "Crandall" decks as well. Do you know
the routine?
Msg #26644 Dated 12:06:39 11-26-91 -> 26721
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Well, you might get better result with Mounds as an incentive...as
long as you or Tabby haven't sat on them.
Msg #26647 Dated 12:07:13 11-26-91 -> 26677
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW FILES
Well....I have heard rumors that such thing as X-rated GIFs, Grasps,
and TIFs exist, but I am sure NO one on this board has any personal
knowledge of any such lude graphics.
Msg #26648 Dated 12:07:24 11-26-91 -> 26668
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
He could fare thee screw up the works with copy or diskcopy as well,
but you should be able to correct whatever he might accidentally do.
Put up a paint program for him...kids love to move a mouse around and
make colored designs on the screen.
Msg #26649 Dated 12:07:36 11-26-91 -> 26685
From: BILL WELLS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
I think that a Irishman who doesn't drink is most likely an oxymoron.
Msg #26650 Dated 12:07:42 11-26-91 -> 26670
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BAD CRC
David...how come we aren't able to use Z-modem or one of the faster
protocols than X-modem?
Msg #26651 Dated 12:07:50 11-26-91 -> 26659
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JAPAN
How can you blow off the DMS?? I figured you would be there in order
to suppliment your income if nothing else!!! How could we possibly
have the DMS without the Tabman???
Msg #26652 Dated 12:08:01 11-26-91 -> 26738
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HONG KONG MAGICIANS
May be too late by the time I can find any addresses, but will look
in the database tonight and upload whatever Hong Kong magi I find
for Geno. Also a ring in Singapore. Is Geno going there?
Msg #26653 Dated 12:08:11 11-26-91 -> 26656
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
I know of at least two video tapes of the close up act, but very
very hush hush and neither is authorized insofar as I know. I also
know of the existance of at least two or three of Del's close up
tables.
Msg #26654 Dated 12:08:23 11-26-91 -> 26691
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MENU ITEMS (YUM)
Mein Gott! Cy you are really a student of ancient history. That
gig we worked together was a LONG time ago.
Msg #26655 Dated 12:08:31 11-26-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT
Actually Cy does a more exotic version than The Turkey thru Ike, he
uses a Susan B. Anthony dollar.
Msg #26656 Dated 12:08:39 11-26-91 -> 26671
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
I wonder if the two "authorized" videotapes of Del's close up show
are the same two that I thought were "unathorized". Regardless, the
distribution is indeed very tight.
Msg #26658 Dated 14:25:21 11-26-91 -> 26672
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THREAD BOOK
Thanks for the info on Mark Burger. Called him this morning and
ordered the "Thread Book" and "Pretty Sneaky." I also dropped your name
which I hope means he will mail them out, pronto!
Msg #26659 Dated 16:31:03 11-26-91 26628 <--> 26660
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
You want a thousand scanners? ARgh... I don't anything about the
capabilities of my DATACOPY scanner. Who made it. Will it do
Greyscale or TIFF ? Whatever they are.
Msg #26660 Dated 16:31:08 11-26-91 26629 <--> 26681
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
Are the U-MATIC Tapes still avaliable or do I have a useless tape
recording machine here now?
Msg #26663 Dated 16:31:20 11-26-91 26639 <--> 26719
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HOTKEY
I got it but don't know how to use it.
Msg #26664 Dated 16:31:23 11-26-91 26640 <--> 27256
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
Linking Finger rings are linking rings. Then a few gags etc. like
the Plumber's Toilet Seats... etc...
Msg #26666 Dated 16:31:33 11-26-91 26642 <--> 26675
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Kevin James' hand toy deal looked good for a few minutes, then all
the Hong Kong makers RIPPED IT OFF... No pun intended.
Msg #26667 Dated 16:31:37 11-26-91 26643 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: JAPAN
Might have it. After a while will go thru the folder marked
"Card tricks - comedy"... heheheheheh
Msg #26668 Dated 16:31:41 11-26-91 26648 <--> 26725
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Color? On a Computer? Wow... when did that come out?
Msg #26670 Dated 16:31:54 11-26-91 26650 <--> 26727
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD CRC
Y was one of the choices with the Crandall Duck routine. Why? I
dunno... was funny I guess.
Msg #26671 Dated 16:31:57 11-26-91 26653 <--> 26680
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
When you tire of the table, send it to me.
Msg #26672 Dated 16:32:00 11-26-91 26658 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: THREAD BOOK
He give 90-percent discount if you DON'T USE MY NAME.... HEHEHEHEH
Msg #26675 Dated 18:05:26 11-26-91 26666 <--> 26678
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
In fairness to the "Hong Kong makers" it should be noted that one such
firm ripped off Kevin's idea -- not "all." There were other factors
that unfortunately killed the sales on that item, and even if the HK
copy hadn't come about it would have still moved poorly.
Msg #26676 Dated 18:06:56 11-26-91 26631 <--> 26702
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KRESKIN
Shouldn't the Sysop be paying closer attention? The answer to your
question has already been posted -- it's a U.S. Playing Card Co. deck.
Msg #26677 Dated 18:07:29 11-26-91 26647 <--> 26703
From: MAX MAVEN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW FILES
I presume that "lude graphics" are ones which are viewed in a
drug-induced stupor...
Msg #26678 Dated 18:19:36 11-26-91 26636 <--> 26701
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Well, forget what I said -- film opened HUGE this past weekend.
I revise my initial box office estimate to between a total domestic box
office gross of between 65 and 75 million dollars.
Msg #26680 Dated 18:39:55 11-26-91 26620 <--> 26689
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Pete,
Your letter spurred me to contact the local IBM and I may go to
their meeting tonight.
We'll see how it goes. Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26681 Dated 18:40:00 11-26-91 26621 <--> 26683
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Pete,
The worst part about printing up some psychic degrees, is that I
would undoubtedly be taken seriously.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26682 Dated 18:40:05 11-26-91 26622 <--> 26686
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
Pete,
Those guys got all the notes they need anyway. MUCHOS
GRACIAS!!!!!!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26683 Dated 18:40:09 11-26-91 26629 <--> 26684
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
David,
I'm just getting ready to make the plunge into DAT. God, what am
I getting into? Do you do music or (I suppose there could be an
"and" there) do you do audiovisual?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26684 Dated 18:40:15 11-26-91 26630 <--> 26696
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
David,
I remember well the day of the "almost-compatible" ARGH! (tm
Biro) I hate getting almost done with a project to be stopped by
some stupid piece of original thinking.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26685 Dated 18:40:20 11-26-91 26649 <--> 27262
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
A friend of mine who has a niece who goes to Occidental
University, calls her his "little Oxy-Moron." That's all right
Bill, I am also a musician who doesn't take drugs.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26686 Dated 19:08:19 11-26-91 26564 <--> 26708
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
We met in Philadelphia '72 or so. You were with Matt Corin. I
understood Matt took a dislike to me because I reminded him of
Bobby Bernard. We were at the same table for the banquet. We
passed each other many times in Baltimore IBM. I don't perform,
nor did you. Oh well!!
Msg #26687 Dated 19:08:28 11-26-91 26565 <--> 26690
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Benson fooled ma at least five times with the salt pour. I
understood the steal etc. but couldn't figure the vanish of the
gimmic. I stood at an extreme angle at a show in N.Y. to see
better, but it didn't help.
.
A friend met Benson's widow at an affair in Baltimore and asked
her directly what the business was. New definition of chutzpah!
She replied that it was just _handling_!! Ha!!
Msg #26689 Dated 19:08:49 11-26-91 26597 <--> 26705
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Wish I could help, but I'm here in Baltimore. You're on the West
Coast? Our sysop knows of teachers in the California Area.
Perhaps he will read and be able to help.
Msg #26690 Dated 19:08:56 11-26-91 26611 <--> 26699
From: CY KELLER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Again, Mike, I do not think that Del Ray ever lectured. For the
record I will explain some of the things he did as well as I can
remember.
.
Special electronic table. When doing dice stacking he used the
bare table. When the card items called for it he would throw a
close-up mat on the table. All of the props and the mat were in a
case on a chair to his right.
.
Some effects:
.
Hamman Final Aces.
Dice stacking.
Bird in a cage which would tweet the number on dice. Even tweet
before the dice were thrown, I think.
.
Dice were rolled down a clear box which shook them up and he had
complete control, apparently, of the dice.
.
Many card effects. Most selections wound up in his inside left
coat pocket after the effect. This was a running gag. "Beautiful
card! Beautiful card!"
.
Little figures of a frog etc. which were placed on top of a glass
or in a spectator's palm which would pop over to stand on their
front legs. This was done early in the routine.
.
The closing was usually Willie the mouse who would roam over the
table to find a card. He had his own little house and Del talked
to him as if he were real. Del and the mouse were so great
together that no one really cared if he found the card or not.
.
Forgot one of the great ones. Deck spread and the selected card
on top turns face-up and then turns face-down.
.
This just a start. Some of those with better memories can add or
expand. Those with tapes can be more exact.
.
The best close-up act _ever_. That includes Goshman who is surely
#2.
.
This was long. Thanks for reading.
Msg #26691 Dated 19:09:42 11-26-91 26654 <--> 27263
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MENU ITEMS (YUM)
Crystal City about '76. Can't remember the name but was changed
to Lumm's. Christian, not the magic, also worked with us. This
was my only real restaurant gig so how could I forget it? Dick
Sitnick also worked.
Msg #26692 Dated 20:44:21 11-26-91 26505 <--> 26852
From: JIM SISTI
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC MENU
OK, Stan...appreciate the support! 'll need an address, though. I can
get it from the check in any event. Thanks again...
Msg #26696 Dated 21:05:05 11-26-91 26651 <--> 26706
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: JAPAN
OK, OK. I'll be a DMS. I woulda missed you guys anyway. Maybe it
isn't the same weekend as the Winter Carnival in K town. Have a
super turkey day with your family!!!!
Msg #26697 Dated 21:05:10 11-26-91 -> 26713
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: CRANBERRY ROULETTE
Ee;26651
I would like to wish my friends on The MAGIC! Network a very
happy holiday. There's plenty to be thankful for and this system
is one of them. Personally, I have made some great friends that I
hope to keep a lifelong thing through conversations started here on
MAGIC!
H A V E A G R E A T T H A N K S G I V I N G !!!
Msg #26699 Dated 21:55:21 11-26-91 26690 <--> 26709
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Wow! Thanks for writing!
But now you have me really curious. I'll give Ken a call. Maybe I'm
thinking about one of his performances?
I'll let you know what I find out!
Msg #26701 Dated 22:06:04 11-26-91 26675 <--> 26704
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
I saw the rip offs and it was cheeeeply made... too bad... it is
so hard A, to come up with an idea and B, make any money out of it
before the rippers hit!!!
Msg #26702 Dated 22:06:09 11-26-91 26676 <--> 26731
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: KRESKIN
He reads fast....
Msg #26703 Dated 22:06:12 11-26-91 26677 <--> 26724
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW FILES
Max the spell checker... you got the job! ;+)
Msg #26704 Dated 22:06:15 11-26-91 26678 <--> 26717
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
That means they will make a couple of hundred (to pay taxes on),
right? Hahahah... I bet No. 2 will hit next Xmas season or in the
summer!!!!
.
Understand they (writers) did not follow what the TV scripts were
about, but kept more to the original Adams Cartoon material.
.
Guess I might have to go see it... Used to do a movie a week, but
haven't seen one in over 2 years!
Msg #26705 Dated 22:06:25 11-26-91 26680 <--> 26728
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
It is possible the meeting will be crummy. Many are... but you will
find a few dudes that will go out for coffee, etc. later and that
is where the good stuff CAN HAPPEN... You will have to make it
start.... g'luck...
Msg #26706 Dated 22:06:31 11-26-91 26681 <--> 26707
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
As long as the checks clear... so what?
Msg #26707 Dated 22:06:34 11-26-91 26683 <--> 26712
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
I am into DIS and DAT...
Msg #26708 Dated 22:06:37 11-26-91 26686 <--> 26869
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
Next time we got to chat... eat... NO MAGIC THO... (Wells' rule of
how to stay friends)!!!!!!!!
Msg #26709 Dated 22:06:41 11-26-91 26687 <--> 26710
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Yep, handling. I figure it might have been a disposable gimmick
that was cast in salt.
.
Actually, the Video I have is poor and the hand drops out of view
at the end... but there is NO APPARENT DITCH of anything and it
seems (bad video) to come up CLEAN...
.
Did he use the Paul Fox gimmick?
.
It could be like Kaps' "HANDLING" of the smoking the thumb. He told
me once that the reason nobody could figure it was due to his
EXCELLENT ABILITY IN SLEIGHT OF HAND MANIPULATION.
.
AND IT WAS... cuz I know what happens and when... IT WAS SKILL,
and identical to Duvall (basically).
Msg #26710 Dated 22:06:57 11-26-91 26690 <--> 26929
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
NO QUESTION DEL RAY'S ACT was NO. ONE....
Goshman No. 2
Tony Giorgio's 3-Card Monte No. 3
TIED FOR FOURTH: Mike Close, Mike Weber, Tom Mullica
(Unclassified: But between Goshman and Girogio = Juan Tamariz)
Close but small cigar: Kaps, Tomsoni, and hundreds of others, like
Bob Read, Johhny Paul (who moves up somewhere).
This list is screwed up... impossible to remember all the top notch
stuff I is seen... (Ricky Jay on Doug Henning)... Kaps Cork, Finn
Jon "Esoteric".... argh.... Elmsley for fooling the crap out of me.
Persi Diaconis UNQUESTIONABLY THE SINGULARLY MOST SKILLED....
DON ALAN in Convention setting (and Karrell Fox)
FRANK SHIELDS AND BOB SHEETS BEST BAR WORK, only small notch above
HEBA HABA AL...
.
You might note some of my UPPER CHOICES are FUNNY GUYS... but they
also have the SKILL and MATERIAL...
.
ROCCO
.
ME?
Msg #26712 Dated 22:07:29 11-26-91 26696 <--> 26732
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JAPAN
I feel sorry for the Turkeeeeeeees.... argh GOBBLE GOBBLE DE GOOK
Msg #26713 Dated 22:07:32 11-26-91 26697 <--> 26729
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CRANBERRY ROULETTE
OK WILL EAT TOO MUCH JUST FOR YOU........
Msg #26717 Dated 23:51:42 11-26-91 26642 <--> 26718
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
I didn't get a chance to hear it, just saw it going in the other room,
but CNN's Entertainment Tonite had a LONG bit on Addams Family tonite
and it was basically ALL Chris. Lots of great major time for him.
Msg #26718 Dated 23:53:49 11-26-91 26675 <--> 26720
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
One assumes that in regard to Kevin's hand, "even if the HK copy hadn't
come about it would have still moved poorly" is not intended as a
comment about Kevin's capability.
Msg #26719 Dated 23:55:03 11-26-91 26639 <--> 27255
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HOTKEY
Bill:
The Program editor? Is that the one that comes with the WP SHELL,
or is it the equation editor? Or something else I don't know of?
Msg #26720 Dated 23:56:52 11-26-91 26704 <--> 26742
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Two YEARS! Get out there!
There are quite a few allusions to the original cartoons, as I
understand it. The problem with the film, and it's hard to call it a
problem when it opens to 25 million dollars worth of business, but
the problem CITED (I should say) had todo with the story being
episodic. I can't wait to see it, nonetheless. And it looks like a
lot of other people felt that way.
Msg #26721 Dated 23:57:15 11-26-91 26644 <--> 26771
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Neither of us have sat on the Mounds bars - although, when I worked in
a resturant as a bus boy, that was how we used to defrost the potatos.
When Tab was here the first time, he found the overhead projector that
I had been using to be uncomfortable to sit on. So he moved a chair
in. In his honor, I have continued the custom of sitting on chairs.
Msg #26724 Dated 0:03:49 11-27-91 26647 <--> 27260
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEW FILES
Hmmm... X-Rated GIFs, Grasps, and TIFs -- sounds like it could be a
lewcrative idea!
Msg #26725 Dated 0:04:53 11-27-91 26648 <--> 26726
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Nathan has had a paint program and a "coloring book" program for over
a year. It seems that while the rest of the World is going from text
to graphics, he is going from graphics to text. It has been very
interesting to watch him. It turns out that the mechanical process of
printing or writing is impossible for someone his age due to the
difficulty of small motor control (it doesn't fully develop until
later), but that turns out to be no barrier to learning to key! So he
now knows about 23 out of 26 letters, all of the numbers, and several
of the computer keys (Enter, Up arrow, etc.) and can use them without
any gestures or "prompts" other than naming the letter (he's already
asked me, "How do you spell David Copperfield?").
The other thing that I found funny is that even at an age much greater
than his (say, when you were 13) if I had asked you to associate the
word "keyboard" you would have been likely to come up with "typewriter"
(or "piano," but we will ignore that for the moment). He doesn't know
what a typewriter is!
Msg #26726 Dated 0:11:16 11-27-91 26668 <--> 26772
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Pete -
I generally try to avoid "techy talk" here on MAGIC! But, if you want
to know about color on computers, you have GOT to see WINDOWS! Up
until last month, I "didn't do Windows." I've changed. Windows is one
of the most exciting and interesting things I've seen in the last
couple of years. The capabilities for graphics are endless! (or damn
close). And Ventura for Windows should be out any day now (although
after seening what WordStar can do in a Windows environment, I'm not
sure what Ventura is for any more!).
Msg #26727 Dated 0:14:16 11-27-91 26650 <--> 27259
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD CRC
Inside the programming group we are attacking Z-Modem. I don't know
how soon we will have it, but we are working on it. Unfortunately,
because of the design of MAGIC! (multi-tasking, etc.) we are not able
to use an "external" protocol. I'll go pressure programming some more.
Msg #26728 Dated 0:16:12 11-27-91 26689 <--> 26730
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Thanks for the response Cy. I used to think that I was getting
stuck with a bill for long distance. Sheesh, you guys make me
looke like a piker!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26729 Dated 0:16:17 11-27-91 26697 <--> 26744
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CRANBERRY ROULETTE
Thanks very much for the holiday wishes Tabby. I, too, feel a
special warmth for the people on this board, and wish them and
you a happy thanksgiving, and a joyous life!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26730 Dated 0:16:22 11-27-91 26705 <--> 26739
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Pete,
Tonight was their annual competition. I am both happy and a
little disappointed. Happy to have a nearby (physical location I
mean, MAGIC! is right in my computer room) community.
Disappointed because I, who have almost no experience, could do
better than any of them. That sounds arrogant, but that is not
what I mean. There seem to be some good people there, and I am
sure that I have not seen all this group has to offer. I hope it
will be a fruitful union.
Enjoy!
Kevin
p.s., I bought a present for David Lichtman there, but don't tell
him.
Msg #26731 Dated 0:15:56 11-27-91 26631 <--> 26740
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: KRESKIN
Not sure what you mean by "whose" -- it is manufactured by US Playing
Card Company.
Msg #26732 Dated 0:16:29 11-27-91 26706 <--> 26733
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Okay, another Kevin admission time. I am not able to see what
message is being referred to either. As long as the check clears
for what?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26733 Dated 0:16:34 11-27-91 26707 <--> 26734
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Pete,
Let's see, DAT is Digital Audio Tape, so DIS must be Digits In
Sync.
Digit being, of course, the first latin meaning, not the second.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26734 Dated 0:16:13 11-27-91 26651 <--> 26735
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: JAPAN
Me too! DMS won't be the same without the Tabman! When we were in
Vegas a few weeks ago, we stopped off at the Trop to visit the parrots.
As soon as we started down the hallway, Nathan said, "Is Tabby here?"
Naturally, the above is not intended to pressure you into an
inappropriate decision...
Msg #26735 Dated 0:17:54 11-27-91 26659 <--> 26736
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Nah, not a thousand scanners, just the thousands of bucks to buy a good
color scanner! Takes mucho dinero to play in that game. I think your
scanner will do both greyscale and TIFF. It is all in the software.
What are you doing with it? PCX?
Msg #26736 Dated 0:21:54 11-27-91 26660 <--> 26737
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
U-MATIC tapes are still readily available. They are used by pros.
Msg #26737 Dated 0:23:44 11-27-91 26683 <--> 26759
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
I do audiovisual. The only musical instrument I can play is the CD.
Oh, yeah, I can also play the phonograph. As a kid, I wanted to take
up the theramin, but there were no teachers in our town.
Msg #26738 Dated 0:27:39 11-27-91 26652 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HONG KONG MAGICIANS
I don't know if Geno is going to Singapore. He's wandering around in
the neighborhood it seems.
Msg #26739 Dated 0:30:07 11-27-91 26689 <--> 26773
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Tell me a little about the level you want to learn and I'll try to help
with a suggestion or two. I believe that there are some folks around
who do, from time to time, take on a student.
Msg #26740 Dated 0:33:25 11-27-91 26676 <--> 26750
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: KRESKIN
Let me see if I can remember the type of playing cards...
Each one had three wings on the back...
And there was a wheel in the middle...
Got the part about them being from U.S. Playing Cards...
Ubiquity is not one of their properties, but they are available...
Easy!
Did I do that right? Considering that Annemann used them?
Msg #26742 Dated 0:44:47 11-27-91 -> 26751
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Pete:
"They can't afford to pay Angelica and Raul what they usually get, so
they send Hart out to do the TV and stuff."
Do you mean they can't afford to pay Angelica Huston and Raul Julia
what they usually get to do promotion, or that they couldn't afford to
pay them their normal salaries on the film, and are thus reluctant to
ask them to do PR?
It's my understanding that an actor is never paid for PR work they do
on behalf of the film. Nor can the studio, when push comes to shove,
force the actor to do the PR (it's just not realistic). They do,
however, have to pay for accomodations and the like...
I know, who cares,
--Evan
Msg #26744 Dated 0:51:35 11-27-91 26697 <--> 26760
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CRANBERRY ROULETTE
All our good thoughts to you and yours, Tabman! Your friendship has
provided joy to my family and a great deal of inspiration to MAGIC!
Msg #26750 Dated 1:23:07 11-27-91 26731 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: KRESKIN
I guess I've got it now. I named it for Max in 26740.
Msg #26751 Dated 1:34:55 11-27-91 26704 <--> 26752
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
In fact there are a lot of ideas in the movie that were taken directly
from the television series, despite claims to the contrary.
Msg #26752 Dated 1:36:12 11-27-91 26718 <--> 26753
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Of course it was not intended as a comment about Kevin's capability;
that's why I stated that there were "other factors." It's a somewhat
complicated story.
Msg #26753 Dated 2:19:40 11-27-91 26752 <--> 26769
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
OK, just glad that your comment about Kevin's hand didn't suggest
carpal tunnel syndrome or arthritis.
Msg #26755 Dated 5:56:41 11-27-91 -> 26783
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCAN
Pete, I can view PCX files if you send it. Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #26756 Dated 5:57:05 11-27-91 -> 26784
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: SULLIVAN
Finally got around to watching the Sullivan special. No magicians
was a disappointment, but otherwise enjoyable. Was that Wayne in the
group backing up Elvis !?!?
Charlie
Msg #26757 Dated 5:57:24 11-27-91 -> 26790
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: THANKSGIVING
Happy Turkey day everyone!!!!!!!
Charlie
Msg #26759 Dated 7:03:37 11-27-91 26712 <--> 26774
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Isn't it.....argh GOBBLE GOBBLE DE COOK?
Msg #26760 Dated 7:03:40 11-27-91 26713 <--> 26873
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRANBERRY ROULETTE
Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday of all time. Not only as I like
to eat GOOD STUFF, but because it is a fellowship and reflection
day. If we lived in California we would have even more folks over
to dinner. If I ever hit a SMASH I will fly friends in for turkey!!
Msg #26765 Dated 8:40:06 11-27-91 26504 <--> 26766
From: BART BISHOP
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
I'll tell you what, I think that the muscle pass is a "work" item.
I have been practicing it and have a young man near by who makes it
look EASY. What's wrong!!??
I'm glad to have the tape to refer to as I don't think manuscript
whould
have given a clue.
I'll have to watch for Johnny and hit him up for a demo; thanks.
Are you working on the effect? How's it coming?
Happy turkey day!
Msg #26766 Dated 8:45:22 11-27-91 26541 <--> 26767
From: BART BISHOP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
Where did you see the TV sell? I would like to catch a glimpse of
this.
Thanks and happy turkey day!
Msg #26767 Dated 8:48:38 11-27-91 26765 <--> 26768
From: PETE BIRO
To: BART BISHOP (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
Some people will never be able to do the muscle pass. Not a flaw, just
they might have the wrong shape to their hand/muscles....
Msg #26768 Dated 8:49:15 11-27-91 26766 <--> 26856
From: PETE BIRO
To: BART BISHOP (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
Mark Burger, House of Magic in S.F. had taped it and played it for me
on his in shop video...
Msg #26769 Dated 8:49:49 11-27-91 26717 <--> 26770
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Leno did a gag last night about the THING (Chris Hart's hand),
saying something like "Good thing it wasn't in the Michael Jackson
video!!!!" He also said something about Jackson and Capt. Hook,
but I was too sleepy to recall all the words....zzzzzzzzzz
(was up too late the nite before and some dude on the first coast
phorgot the time diff and phoned me about 3 hours after I had
gone to bed... ARgh... snargh...
Msg #26770 Dated 8:49:58 11-27-91 26720 <--> 26780
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
The film has such a great cast "pre sold fans" (from cartoon and TV)
exposure and the effects capabilities of the film industry will
make it a technically excellent film, frankly, I don't see how it
can miss. The only factor being how much it cost to make.
Msg #26771 Dated 8:50:03 11-27-91 26721 <--> 26797
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Sit on chairs? I thought they were to stand on to get the books on
the upper shelves.
Msg #26772 Dated 8:50:07 11-27-91 26726 <--> 26798
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I never did and never will "do windows".... I hate video games.
Msg #26773 Dated 8:50:10 11-27-91 26730 <--> 26814
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
I won't need to tell David... you already did by posting it on the
board.
.
Don't feel bad. I was lousy the first 24 years of doing magic. And
am still not very good.
.
But I was always good as a performer/entertainer... musta been the
genes from a pair of Vaudeville parents...
Msg #26774 Dated 8:50:20 11-27-91 26732 <--> 26775
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Check clears for the religous certificates (your newly invented
religion) you sell. Like my old friend that was sometimes called
"Reverend Muir" -- He bought the title, complete with impressive
certificate to frame and wall, for FIVE BUCKS.
.
Admittedly the price seems low, but it was in 1949.
Msg #26775 Dated 8:50:28 11-27-91 26733 <--> 26776
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Don't hold your digit up to me, bwana...
Msg #26776 Dated 8:50:31 11-27-91 26734 <--> 26777
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
Yeah, Tabby can be kept happy for hours with a piece of Cuttlebone.
Msg #26777 Dated 8:50:34 11-27-91 26735 <--> 26778
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
I is PCXing mit mine scanner... OK who has some clandestine
software I can borrow... I won't copy it, just want to look at it
and will mail it back. Make sure to photocopy the docs too...
.
Actually you just reminded me. The version of Publisher's
Paintbrush I use is prehistoric and they have several upgrades,
and a couple of newer ones that I think I can now afford to buy.
.
Will do so... keep your bogus stuff, probably has a virus anyway.
.
Speaking of which, the firm I used to work at (where you can reach
Dale) just got nailed with a virus in their network of computers
but got OK with only 3 days work from some guy they hired! Cheesh...
Msg #26778 Dated 8:50:48 11-27-91 26736 <--> 26791
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
That leaves me, an amateur TV Camera Man, out, I s'pose... darn.
Msg #26779 Dated 8:50:51 11-27-91 -> 26799
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: GENO
Ee;26738
Wonder who is paying the bills on Geno's trip????? Veddy ineretin'
.
A guy in Japan on Compuserve is using a Poqet with external modem
to send stuff over from auto races. A large Japanese co. has just
put a TON OF $$ INTO POQET. Do you know anything about them?
Msg #26780 Dated 8:51:00 11-27-91 26742 <--> 26781
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
I heard that "they can't afford Angelica and Raul" on some sleezy
tv broadcast... but the real fact might have been the schedules
and workloads of A and R are such that A and R couldn't afford
(the time).... don't matter, Hart is getting the BENEFITS and is
becoming a KNOWN person/identity... the others are already there...
I was lucky to have recently hired Hart for an upcoming gig and
nice guy that he is, did not hit me with his "new" price list!
.
When we had him at an IBM he had to fly in perform and fly out,
as he was working on the film. But he took the trouble to traveal
across the country so he could do our show.... Hope he is properly
rewarded, etc. on this one...
Msg #26781 Dated 8:51:13 11-27-91 26751 <--> 26782
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Never saw a lot of the TV, just liked the "look" of everything. Of
course being a fan of the man and his cartoons... I guess the TV
talk shows are kinda like newspapers... You have to believe them,
why they wouldn't print things that were not true??? Duh...
.
While I got you on the line... just got the book "New Magic from
Japan" ... boy there is some great stuff in there... did it lack
PR? I had not heard of it...
.
I know Crabtree was involved in a version of the linking playing
cards, but was not Paul Harris the creator of the original EFFECT?
.
There was a nice linking cardboard in the Japanese book.
Msg #26782 Dated 8:51:27 11-27-91 26753 <--> 26795
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Both of which I now have.... can't flatten my right hand onto a
table any more. ARgh...
Msg #26783 Dated 8:51:31 11-27-91 26755 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: SCAN
Charlie: OK, now I have to remember where I had the drawings of
the Sheep Ankle bones, scan and send... will try to do tonite...
.
I guess I will have to put it into the FILES area... but not sure.
Will ask the honorable SISS-OPP how to do it... duh...
Msg #26784 Dated 8:51:37 11-27-91 26756 <--> 26853
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: SULLIVAN
Don't you think they could have done without Burt R?
Msg #26787 Dated 8:52:10 11-27-91 -> 27317
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: WINSTON FREER
HEY FOLKS.... am on a search for a dear friend and a great magi...
Gaetan Bloom. He is collecting material, instruction sheets, any
thing at all related to WINSTON FREER, AKA Doc Maxam, or just Maxam.
.
Photo copies you name it... anything of the man is needed. If you
have ANYTHING... let me know and will forward info...
Msg #26788 Dated 9:11:39 11-27-91 -> 26800
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BONES
The BONES.PCX file is in the Files area. I dunno if David has to do
anything first before you can look at it, or what? Anyone else is OK to
look at the file. It is most interesting. Thanks fun seekers!
Msg #26790 Dated 9:46:11 11-27-91 26757 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: THANKSGIVING
Happy Turkey Day to you and yours too, Charlie! And to Richard and his
as well!
Msg #26791 Dated 9:48:58 11-27-91 26776 <--> 26792
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
RE: "Tabby can be kept happy for hours with a piece of Cuttlebone."
Probably so, if he's got a pocket knife and can whittle some scrimshaw.
Msg #26792 Dated 9:50:34 11-27-91 26777 <--> 26793
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
My scanner software wouldn't work for you - it is too brand specific
and supports a flatbed scanner, not a hand scanner, and it awful
anyway! In this case, not only is it wrong to steal, it is worthless
to steal!
I think that the newest, spiffiest, Publisher's Paintbrush (I think it
is called Plus, or Pro, or something like that) _may_ support your
scanner. BUT it is also possible to convert PCX to TIFF and so on with
a number of graphics conversion programs. One is HiJaak. There is a
new version of it out, but I ain't got yet.
Viri can be a _very_ real problem! They do _not_ always come from
"public domain" programs - they can get to you from commercial software
too. Check out Central Point's PC-Tools 7.1 or their special
Anti-Virus program. Both look good.
Msg #26793 Dated 9:55:49 11-27-91 26778 <--> 26815
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
I get a magazine that should have some ads for U-Matic cartridges, but
I don't have an issue handy at the moment (I don't keep 'em). Will try
to look next time it arrives. Meanwhile, maybe look in phone book for
"Audio/Visual Supplies" or something like that and call some of the
local houses.
Msg #26795 Dated 10:06:37 11-27-91 26769 <--> 26796
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Can you imagine what is going to happen if Chris gets typecast because
of this? A lifetime of manicure commericals!
Msg #26796 Dated 10:08:46 11-27-91 26782 <--> 26822
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
RE: "Both (carpal tunnel syndrome/arthritis) of which I now have...
can't flatten my right hand onto a table any more."
Hire Hart.
Msg #26797 Dated 10:09:55 11-27-91 26771 <--> 26823
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Just saw an ad for a wall of bookshelves with a moveable ladder.
Having a setup like that has always been one of my dreams. Guess I'll
have to find a way to earn the dinero.
Msg #26798 Dated 10:11:27 11-27-91 26772 <--> 26824
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I don't care for video games either. Windows ain't no game. It is the
future writ out in big letters. You gotta see it to believe it -
WordStar appears to do everything Ventura did. Have to wait and see
what Ventura for Windows can do.
OK, enuf techy talk - back to magic.
Msg #26799 Dated 10:13:26 11-27-91 26779 <--> 26825
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENO
The Poqet started out with a lot of promise. It is a good looking
machine. But the keyboard, as on any palmtop, is very small, so the
keying is slow and error prone. Otherwise, from all I've heard, the
machine is good.
Msg #26800 Dated 10:14:56 11-27-91 26788 <--> 26802
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BONES
I will take a look at BONES.PCX and will make it available.
Msg #26802 Dated 10:42:46 11-27-91 26800 <--> 26826
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BONES
BONES.PCX is in the MAGIC! Files Area. I looked at it and it looks OK
- sideways, so you have to rotate your monitor 90-degrees, but OK.
Msg #26803 Dated 10:49:20 11-27-91 26507 <--> 26806
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM
Pilot?? I didn't think TWA was still using those. I figured we were
going into St. Louis cause SLC is downhill from there.
Msg #26804 Dated 10:49:29 11-27-91 26508 <--> 26813
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Amaragosa sounds delightful! Your saying the town only sleeps 24
reminds me of what was probably one of the most enjoyable magic
"conventions" I have had the pleasure of attending. The late Rick
Johnsson used to teach hotel management in Ashville, NC. The school
motel had 12 rooms and he used the facility for his invitation only
Super Session South conventions. At two per room, the total size of
the attendees was limited to 24. Everyone participated, we used the
school kitchen to prepare wonderful food, and it was a wonderful
weekend. A publication with a trick from everyone in attendance was
also produced after each get together.
Msg #26806 Dated 10:50:11 11-27-91 26511 <--> 26807
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
I knew what you were taking about so I didn't tell you that it is not
a true lichen nor is it a moss. It is commonly called lichen or
lichen moss. I can't recall the actual name, but will try to look it
up for you if I get a chance. Say...next time you feel the need for
a cigarette and take a walk back to the enchanted forest on the back
40, why not take along a storage zip lock and gather up a sample to
bring along with you to SLC. One of the kids is doing a diorama of
a 17th century indian village near Jamestown and we are in a bad hurt
for bushes and trees until I dismantle whats left of the old train
layout and they don't look so hot anymore anyway. You would be allow
ing Tennessee flora to greatly enhance a small piece of Virginia
education. Have a good T-day yerself. This right shelf is damn hard
to hold down without you!
Msg #26807 Dated 10:50:44 11-27-91 26542 <--> 26828
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
I meant as long as you weren't with us ON THE PLANE! I certainly
hope they didn't connect you thru Saint Lewie for a flight from
Oakland to SLC!!! Go ahead...DON'T tell me what you found today, but
be sure to bring it along to show me next week.
Msg #26809 Dated 10:51:21 11-27-91 26545 <--> 26830
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I don't think I want to ask anymore about your baseball days. Not
sure I could have handled anything like that. I understand fully
why you dropped out of it.
Msg #26813 Dated 10:52:20 11-27-91 26580 <--> 26827
From: BILL WELLS
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
When you say "out this way" I am assuming you DON'T mean where you
are at the moment but rather Nevada. We have looked very hard at
Reno for an IBM convention, but the Pioneer Theatre is downtown and
the likely hotel is the MGM out by the airport and we would have to
shuttle folks back and forth. In spite of that, we have been close
to a deal a couple of times but things didn't quite work out. Tahoe
is another locale I would like to check out. We stay away from Vegas
as that is Joe's turf and the SAM is already going there every two or
three years and we don't want to appear to be competing with them.
Western sites are not easy to find.
Msg #26814 Dated 10:52:46 11-27-91 26592 <--> 26875
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
One of the Del Ray video tapes I know of is a Tannen Jubilee
performance. I had forgotten about the SAM convention tape. There
is at least one more tape in addition to these two. However, its
availibility is more limited than the two you mentioned. I believe
that tape would be circa 1985. I am not aware of any tapes of Del's
stage act.
Msg #26815 Dated 10:53:02 11-27-91 26621 <--> 26820
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
But we already got lots of bogus magi and I didn't think we thought
they were that cool....
Msg #26816 Dated 11:16:28 11-27-91 -> 26834
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VISITING MAGE
MAGIC!-NL Wed 27 Nov 91 02:51
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Jippieeee!!! I have an answer on one of your questions (if in the
meantime it has already not been answered by someone else). That
Vietnamese magician was called TRAN. Never met Bob Swadling's
daughter, but let me have a guess....how about Bobette???
OK, what do I win?????
Pete, today we had clubmeeting and spoke with Dick Koornwinder,
he had some goodnews that apparently there are premature plans to
make a Kaps special for Dutch TV. Dick spoke with an independent
TV production company, and they were having plans into that
direction. Dick gave them a list with all he remembered that was
shown on dutch TV with Kaps, and they will try to get that on
Umatic from the dutch TV video libary.
The plans are all still very fresh but even when that program
will never be made, the preparation only to get the Umatic tapes
can be of great help for us.
Will keep you informed.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #26817 Dated 12:32:46 11-27-91
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SFO AGAIN
That foto was taken for a magazine. It had a whole story on Dutch
magicians a little while before the FISM convention in The Hague. This
way I was able to get it very cheap, since the magazine had basically
paid for all the cost. Good that you like it.
Msg #26819 Dated 12:54:06 11-27-91 -> 26835
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: ALL
Re: HAND OF CLEOPATRA
The hand of Cleopatra, the spinning hand which ends up turned to the
duirection you wanted, I have never liked all that much. The way the
hand stops spinning is totally unnatural. In the end it sways back and
forth before coming to a rest. A real unfaked spinner would not do
that, it would just slowly come to a rest without going back and forth.
Does anybody know if there is a system for a spinner which comes to
rest normally? I know there are a few which are used for carnivalgames,
but these involve usually some preparation of the table as well. It
should be a self contained spinner, just like the hand of cleopatra,
with no attachments or something like that. If you know of such a
system, can you let me know?
Msg #26820 Dated 14:41:38 11-27-91 26792 <--> 26821
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
There is a TIFF conversion program within my computer software,
but is not right... I need to upgrade to PC Paint V or later...
.
I ain't got no hand scanner... mine will do faces, feet, you name
it... full blowed flatbed Monolete!!!
Msg #26821 Dated 14:41:45 11-27-91 26793 <--> 26845
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
No rush... just got the machine and tv camera and haven't got time
to use right now no how...
Msg #26822 Dated 14:41:49 11-27-91 26795 <--> 26867
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Hey... he can do both right and lefts... how are his feet?
.
One thing for sure... he will be able to get a better agent and can
get more bigger time bookings... not at the prices I pay!
Msg #26823 Dated 14:41:54 11-27-91 26797 <--> 26846
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Save the ad... MY DREAM TO.... A LADDER FOR BOOKS....
.
I had a killer small ladder, oak, old, beautiful patina... guess
who has it... ARgh!
.
My other dream was an elevator like the old Hotels in Europe. We
were going to put a second story on the house... just to have
the "Lift".... and John Surtees, ex world car and motorcycle
driving champion, who retired and went into antique biz in England
was locting the cage for us... NO MO THO WHOA FO FUM
Msg #26824 Dated 14:42:06 11-27-91 26798 <--> 26857
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
NOBODY ELSE HAS NAMED ANY CARDS. AND I DON'T WANNA HEAR "FRED"
Msg #26825 Dated 14:42:08 11-27-91 26799 <--> 26847
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GENO
I have two new inventions. One is a FIRE RETARDANT blanket that
fits into a non descript fake chimeny that sits on your roof. It
is unrolled when a nearby fire hits and seals your house. Find a
Mfgr. and we will make some dough...
.
Other idea is a small comuter, but with a keyboard that folds out
with two side wings so it will fit your fingers....
.
Same deal as above.
Msg #26826 Dated 14:42:19 11-27-91 26802 <--> 26848
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BONES
No, you can just lean, or PRINT it and turn the paper dude...
Msg #26827 Dated 14:42:22 11-27-91 26804 <--> 26843
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Who has the 24 man publications? Send me a free copy or else.
Msg #26828 Dated 14:42:25 11-27-91 26807 <--> 26842
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
I foget what I found.. oh, prints... will see... looking for the
crndall instrucitooons and a book on spellling... back in a minit.
.
Found a different Crandall mss.. and will fax to you now...
Msg #26830 Dated 14:42:37 11-27-91 26809 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
We talk in SLC....
Msg #26834 Dated 14:43:05 11-27-91 26816 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: VISITING MAGE
Sounds terrific... keep me informed. Also tell Koornwinder that if
he can send the book stuff to Caveney and let him finish it will
be a lot easier for Dick!!!!
.
Fed Tommy Wonder some coffee and desert and we took a long ride
around San Francisco. I found some wonderful old magic and gaming
prints...
.
He soon goes to Japan for the Tenkai Party!
Msg #26835 Dated 14:43:15 11-27-91 26819 <--> 26850
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: HAND OF CLEOPATRA
I had a Hand of Cleopatra, paid a lot of money for it. But I didn't
like it and gave it to Mike Close for FREE!!!
.
Koornwinder used to do something with a long match on a bottle
that lit its own fire when over the selected card/object...
.
The old Carnival stuff is gaffed with electromagnets... not sure
but I think you could do something with a Magnet... built your
own spinner??? Or HOW ABOUT THE SAME PRINCIPLE THAT STOPS THE
KOORNWINDER KAR??? You know what I mean???
.
I will be going to Byron Walkers, probably tonite (WED) and will
be going North to Santa Rosa for dinner at 2 in afternoon... will
maybe be back here by 5 PM... if you both are free and want to
get together (Here and look over books at Byrons or not go to
Byrons... just go out here and eat... or I can meet you in SF>>>
.
Might call you if don't hear from you on the board...
Msg #26836 Dated 15:13:27 11-27-91 -> 26837
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
I've never worked CES. But guys who have tell me it's tough. All those
gadjets make it hard to get a crowd. So they say. It's also a lot
tougher to sell. Or so it seems.
Msg #26837 Dated 15:15:36 11-27-91 -> 26849
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
Neat idea! Thanks...
Got to see Lance's new show last week. I was really impressed. Just
so slick. His levitation is wild. It may have a few magicians
horrified, but I was blown away by the whole thing. It kinda made me
want to go home and burn all my stuff.
Did you see it yet?
Msg #26838 Dated 15:17:56 11-27-91 -> 26839
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS
Someone told me Salvano has throat cancer. Since I don't know it to be
true First Hand, I pass it along to you with a caveat. He is not only
wonderful to watch, he is a nice man.
Don't really know how to get in touch with him. You may try the Castle.
They may know.
Msg #26839 Dated 15:19:39 11-27-91 -> 26882
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS
If memory serves me correct, it was really lecture notes for his thumb
tip lecture, but I can't remember now. Certainly the best with the
thumb that I've ever seen.
Msg #26840 Dated 15:24:37 11-27-91
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SALVANO
Oh, I forgot! No I don't have his written material on the thumb. I
remember it, but don't have it.
Speaking of the Tip: While staying at the Riviera once, Gary Darwin
brought my bags, Then he proceeded to kill me with the vanish and re-
appearance of a lit cig. It's in his book. First and only time I ever
met the man - but he has a lot of neat ideas on the tip.
His first book has a salt pour which was given to him by Sig & Roy. It
is really nice.
Msg #26841 Dated 15:27:47 11-27-91 -> 26910
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
Frank:
I was the last one to board the plane... just made it. You like to
call it close. That's two in a row.
We forgot to discuss the negative cards. Would like to do it before
my next trip.
Msg #26842 Dated 16:38:39 11-27-91 26803 <--> 27360
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
Actually, there are several planes that will fly very well with no
pilot. But people like the image of some confident looking tall dude
standing there. My suspicion is that some of 'em are actors and that
the plane flys itself.
Msg #26843 Dated 16:41:11 11-27-91 26804 <--> 26884
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
The Super Session South con sounds like it was a great time! We have
25 people for the MAGIC! Goes To Copperfield session. I wonder, does
that qualify as a convention instead of a meeting?
Msg #26845 Dated 16:48:18 11-27-91 26820 <--> 26874
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Sorry! I thought you had a hand scanner. I got a flatbed, but
VanVranken tells me it is the early model with only 16 shades of gray.
Guess I'll have to upgrade someday.
Msg #26846 Dated 16:52:23 11-27-91 26823 <--> 27268
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
I think I kept the ad. They had big bookcases in modules and the
ladder attached to them. Whole thing was pretty spiffy looking and a
lot less than I would have expected (but more than I got). Will try to
dig it up. I too once wanted an elevator, but I'd settle for a
staircase going nowhere.
Msg #26847 Dated 16:54:17 11-27-91 26825 <--> 26885
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENO
We almost could have used your fire blanket today! The house
diagonally across from us caught fire today - seems that the roofing
contractor was using a torch to loosen old tiles and set the roof on
fire. Got the whole thing (4 engines, etc.) on videotape for Nathan -
he likes firetrucks.
Msg #26848 Dated 16:55:50 11-27-91 26826 <--> 26886
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BONES
RE: "Lean, or print it and turn the paper..." PHOOEY! Shows you ain't
no techy! Techys don't do that stuff - they spend the next six weeks
writing a program to rotate the image.
Msg #26849 Dated 16:57:06 11-27-91 26836 <--> 26881
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
I've seen some folks working CES and yes, getting and keeping a crowd
in that show is tough.
Msg #26850 Dated 16:58:45 11-27-91 26835 <--> 26887
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HAND OF CLEOPATRA
will have to see what the plans are for tonight. I do not know.
To use the principle for the koornwinder car would make the spinner
stop abruptly and that I feel would be no good either. I want to have
the spinner gradually slow down and come to a stop. Magnets have the
same disadvantage as the method of the cleopatra hand, once the spinner
is going too slow it will go through the magnetic field and go throught
it and then back. Once it has passed the point it has to stop it
shoould have enough energy to make a full round again and then stop at
the predertermined point. I have an idea how it might be worked, but I
do not want to reinvent the wheel, so if something exists already...
Msg #26851 Dated 19:37:21 11-27-91 26561 <--> 26888
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
Gottit....meaning, mum's the word re: Tomfoolery.
'W.
Msg #26852 Dated 19:37:36 11-27-91 26692 <--> 26987
From: STAN LAKE
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MAGIC MENU
My address is 9250 Sunland Blvd. #11, Sun Valley, CA 91352.
I mailed the check off to you Tuesday so you should see it soon.
Thanks and have a nice Thanksgiving!
Msg #26853 Dated 19:40:26 11-27-91 26756 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: SULLIVAN
Actually, the camera shot was reversed....that was Elvis backing ME up!
'W.
Msg #26855 Dated 19:41:13 11-27-91 -> 26858
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: HERE'S...
Here's wishing us all a Happy Thanksgiving with the coming year filled
with many more wonderful things for us to be thankful for.
'Wayne.
Msg #26856 Dated 19:42:03 11-27-91 26765 <--> 26889
From: STAN LAKE
To: BART BISHOP (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
I work on it a little bit everyday. I always have a couple of half
dollars in my pocket and whenever I find myself standing in line or
otherwise unoccupied for a minute I will take out a half and try
popping it out of the palm a few times. So far I have just been seeing
how far I can get it to go sideways which isn't very far yet but it's
a whole lot better than the meager amount I can make it go straight up.
Gravity has a tendancy to ruin my efforts! I am seeing progress albeit
slow. I don't pick up on these things as quickly as some people. It
took me MANY months to do a good coin roll. My wife would often become
exasperated with me when we would be out shopping and there would be
the clinking of another coin hitting the floor and rolling down the
aisle. This would happen several times a minute during some shopping
trips! I did eventually become very good at knowing when a coin fell
off of my knuckles and without looking I could snatch it out of the air
before it hit the ground. Anyway, whether you want to do a muscle pass
or anything else well you know there is just one sure way to learn it..
PRACTICE! Good Luck!
Msg #26857 Dated 19:58:10 11-27-91 26824 <--> 26890
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I must have missed something awhile back about "naming a card".
Do you want us to think of a card or name a card? If so, I've got one
that I will be forcing in my next show. I've got it written down if
you want to try to discern it from a distance. I'll give you a hint-
it's one that would be easily recognized and remembered by kids.
Msg #26858 Dated 20:16:39 11-27-91 26855 <--> 26891
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HERE'S...
And a Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Wayne.
Msg #26859 Dated 20:17:57 11-27-91 -> 26892
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC! TO COPPERFIELD
I'm looking forward to seeing everyone (everyone who has made
arrangements, that is) at 1:00 p.m. on Sunday, December 1st at the
Wiltern Theater. This should be GREAT!
Also, for our after theater assembly, I've reserved a section for us a
Canter's on Fairfax. The food is general deli. The do _NOT_ take
checks or credit cards! Directions will be provided when we meet at
the Wiltern.
Msg #26860 Dated 20:11:06 11-27-91 -> 26863
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
There are some tricks that we could not care about one way or the
other. For me a trick without a point to it such as the Torn and
Restored (news)Paper is one such effect. I mean, if you wanted a whole
piece of paper, why tear it up in the first place. As with everything
else in magic, that is probably not an original observation but it best
sums up what I'm thinking about at the moment. Anyway, I came up with
a logical reason for doing a torn and restored paper effect and I then
set about looking for a way to do it. There are A LOT of ways to do it
but I couldn't come up with anything that would work right for me.
Like, what do you do with all of those pieces? I ended up reinventing
the wheel and came up with my own paper tear idea. I started to write
it up for posting on the board but part way into my labors I realized
that maybe the world or at least Magic! members don't need or want
another paper tear! If anyone is interested I will go ahead and write
it up though. The last time I had my show critiqued it received the
highest marks of any trick in the hour long show. It could very well
be that it was a combination of the story and the effect itself which
unfortunately is aimed at a very narrow audience. Don't know- I DO
know that I'm rambling so I'll ramble on outta here.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!!
Msg #26861 Dated 21:01:37 11-27-91 26299 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: BRUCE GRAHAM (X)
Re: ROTARIANS IN MAGIC
Bruce, I didn't know Rotary had a fellowship of magicians. My father
in law is a past president of Rotary and although I have taught him
various magic tricks he is not a member of any organized magic groups.
I am a Paul Harris Fellow in Rotary via my father in law but I am not
a member of Rotary. (I'm a blue collar employee so I don't qualify)
Are there many Rotary members who are also magicians in your area?
Msg #26863 Dated 22:28:04 11-27-91 26860 <--> 26893
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
I see your point about the, uh, limited practicality of the Torn and
Restored Newspaper. But another way of looking at it is that the
restoration of a torn or broken object without resort to conventional
means of repair is a powerful piece of magic. So restoring a torn
piece of paper is magic, and tearing it is simply a device to show that
it was indeed torn before you restored it.
There are a lot of "magic tricks" that bother me for the reason you
mention - they seem totally contrived. There is, for example, some odd
thing with lightbulbs and switches that I've seen recently that bothers
me in this regard. But it is also a fine line - carrying around a set
of large diameter rings seems to be OK with the general public, but
there are other things that shriek "prop." Where's the line? I donno.
As to your particular method - of course we're interested! And if it
deals with what I think it might (junk mail?) it sounds even more
reasonable! So I, for one, would welcome it!
And a VERY Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!
Msg #26867 Dated 23:28:29 11-27-91 26780 <--> 26907
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
Julia right now is touring in Man Of La Mancha so is unavailable;
Huston is shooting a film.
Msg #26869 Dated 23:49:10 11-27-91 26554 <--> 26895
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
Thanks - somehow my request for the notes got sent to Stan. How are
you doing with the MAGICLOG/REP script files ?
Msg #26870 Dated 23:49:12 11-27-91 26572 <--> 26934
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
I'll hold out for a wrist-top, ala Dick Tracy.
Msg #26872 Dated 23:49:21 11-27-91 26605 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: ONE-WAY
I have started to use the effect from T A's video, that's what got
me started looking into one-way effects, particuliarly with Tarot
cards. I'm such a klutz with cards I need something really fool
proof and the one-way approach is a killer.
Msg #26873 Dated 23:49:25 11-27-91 26697 <--> 26921
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CRANBERRY ROULETTE
Hope you and yours have a joyous holiday as well. My daughter and
her fiancee are in from CT and we are going to the castle Friday
for my Birthday. I found a pair of tuning forks in the key of A.
Will be doing some work on them soon, will let you know how they
work. Crystals will be coming next week, ran into a slight delay.
.
Happy Thanksgiving - Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #26874 Dated 0:13:01 11-28-91 26737 <--> 26877
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
David,
I'm not sure there were teachers in any town. You just had to go
where it led you.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26875 Dated 0:13:06 11-28-91 26739 <--> 26876
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
David,
I assume your message was meant for me, so I'll act as if it is.
I would like very much to achieve professional quality. I have
no idea as to where I stand, but do know that I definitely need
to increase my repertoire. Suggestions?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26876 Dated 0:13:12 11-28-91 26773 <--> 26879
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Pete,
I wonder at what point one says to one's self, "Hey, I'm pretty
good now." I've never seen you perform, but I have certainly
gotten some great reviews here from people who have. We had a
discussion on performing ability a while back, and while that is
a lot of it, I don't think you would be getting the hurrahs you
get without a fair amount of ability.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26877 Dated 0:13:19 11-28-91 26774 <--> 26878
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Pete,
Okay, I should have caught the reference. But I've found with
dealing with religious fanatics, that one should accept cash
only. Small bills.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26878 Dated 0:13:24 11-28-91 26775 <--> 26897
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Pete,
Are we having a pun-off? Geez, the only ones I can think of are
SOOOOOOO bad, that even I hesitate to use them. I think instead
that I'll declare you the winner....this time.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #26879 Dated 0:27:44 11-28-91 26876 <--> 26898
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Perception is EVERYTHING. Performing is more important than the trick,
the method, etc. You just got to do a few th ousand performances of
the same stuff to get it poifect...
Msg #26880 Dated 0:28:34 11-28-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: FORGOT
Someone left a message for me (I have looked back for 100s) and I can't
find it. It was in ref to Jay Marshall gag with 2 keys in one ring, in
a Phoenix. Which issue? Thanks....
Msg #26881 Dated 0:29:34 11-28-91 26837 <--> 26906
From: PETE BIRO
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: SETUP
Yep... saw him do the Levi at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas....wowow
Msg #26882 Dated 0:29:37 11-28-91 26838 <--> 26883
From: PETE BIRO
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS
I had also heard about the Throat Cancer, but Johnny Thompson had
told me it was fixed and he was OK... thanks
Msg #26883 Dated 0:29:41 11-28-91 26839 <--> 27528
From: PETE BIRO
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS
Salvano work with TT was a lecture at the Desert Seminar.
Msg #26884 Dated 0:29:44 11-28-91 26843 <--> 26899
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Are you getting a commission?
Msg #26885 Dated 0:29:47 11-28-91 26847 <--> 26900
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GENO
I know he works his outdoor act to the tune of a siren... I got
that on tape, dude...
Msg #26886 Dated 0:29:51 11-28-91 26848 <--> 26901
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BONES
Jeff Hodgdon (Mystery Science Theater 3000 creator and host) did
some of his comedy club stuff on TV and had the audience all
turn their heads horizontal, and those at home were asked to
turn their tv sets on the side... so he could do his impression of
Batman scaling a building wall... funny dude, dude...
Msg #26887 Dated 0:29:58 11-28-91 26850 <--> 26920
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY WONDER (X)
Re: HAND OF CLEOPATRA
No ideas... but a gradual pressure from a lever below??? the
spindle gets tight?
Msg #26888 Dated 0:30:02 11-28-91 26851 <--> 26928
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
Mumm's extra dry, of course...
Msg #26889 Dated 0:30:05 11-28-91 26856 <--> 26981
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
Months to do a coin roll. Most take years, why do you say you ain't
as good as others???
Msg #26890 Dated 0:30:09 11-28-91 26857 <--> 26982
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
The Eleven of Shovels is most recognized by kids... I think the
Four of Clubs is it. If not you don't know how to do magic!
Msg #26891 Dated 0:30:13 11-28-91 26858 <--> 26902
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HERE'S...
I SAY HAPPY BIRDAY TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NICHT ARGH?
Msg #26892 Dated 0:30:16 11-28-91 26859 <--> 26903
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC! TO COPPERFIELD
TOO BAD ABOUT CANTER'S, I WAS GOING TO COME.
Msg #26893 Dated 0:30:19 11-28-91 26860 <--> 26908
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
How about a BRIEF synopsis?
Msg #26895 Dated 0:30:25 11-28-91 26869 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WAKEMAN
NO luck on the files... you will get the notes.
Msg #26896 Dated 0:30:28 11-28-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HIMBER RING
Ee;26873
Cy, talked to Persi tonight and he refreshed my memory of 20 or
so years ago. He DID come up with the idea to have a ring made
that opened and shut. He was riding on a bus when the idea hit him.
The premise of linking finger rings goes to an earlier Bamberg,
who had several rings gathered on a tray (switched em all) and
linked them in a chain and brought them into the Chinese Linking
rings. Freddy Fah had some kind of rings to linking rings effect
as well. But Persi was thinking on the lines due to a challenge
from Fawcett Ross (Persi is going to see if he can find the letter
from FR). It was NOT from adapting an arthritic ring. There was
none like it. He talked it out with Willy Schneider, who made up
a few variations... Himber picked the ones to make, the Standard
(Signet with stone), the basic - same as signet, but no stone, just
space for engraved initials and the Wedding Band.
.
Straight from the man!
Msg #26897 Dated 0:54:20 11-28-91 26874 <--> 27006
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Well, I figured that my parents would go for the theramin when I
suggested the alternative as bagpipes. All was to no avail; they got
me a fiddle - which I enjoy hearing but not playing.
Msg #26898 Dated 0:56:41 11-28-91 26875 <--> 26931
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Yeah, I don't think it was Cy who needed the teacher! Again, not
knowing your level, there is a good teacher for beginning to
intermediate close-up. His name is Jim Kahlert and his phone number is
(310 [the new West Side of 213]) - 472-3770. You can tell him I
suggested you call.
Msg #26899 Dated 1:01:03 11-28-91 26884 <--> 26930
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Nope - no commission or MAGIC! fundraising on the Copperfield show. As
a matter of fact, since I have a house full of guests, it cost me a
ton!
Msg #26900 Dated 1:02:05 11-28-91 26885 <--> 26911
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENO
Yep, Nathan works to fire-engine sirens; and you have the proof. He
had a small part in the school Thanksgiving program today, but no
magic. They cast him (and all of the other boys in his class) as
pumpkins.
Msg #26901 Dated 1:03:28 11-28-91 26886 <--> 26909
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BONES
That is funny! Turn the tele's on their sides. I wonder what the
folks with the big consoles and projection units did.
Msg #26902 Dated 1:04:51 11-28-91 26891 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HERE'S...
Actually, Thanksgiving is one of our weirder holidays. After all, if
Ben Franklin had had his way, the national bird would have been the
turkey.
Msg #26903 Dated 1:06:16 11-28-91 26892 <--> 26913
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC! TO COPPERFIELD
Canter's has a lot of space and is one of the few resturants in the
area willing to have a group of magicians.
Msg #26906 Dated 1:12:00 11-28-91 26881 <--> 26914
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
Harrison said he had seen Lance's levi. If you saw Lance do it at
Caesar's Palace, then it was really one Hell of an effect - considering
he started it at the Hacienda! I guess that the night you saw it the
girl really had Lance goin'!
Msg #26907 Dated 1:46:48 11-28-91 26781 <--> 26915
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
While the idea of linking paper rings was already around, Paul Harris
seems to have been the first to use playing cards with their centers
torn out. Crabtree comes later in the chronology.
Indeed, Tooru Suzuki's version in "New Magic of Japan" is excellent, as
are all his creations, very few of which have been published in either
Japanese or English. He recently joined the staff of Tenyo, so about a
year from now you can look forward to seeing further output from him.
Msg #26908 Dated 1:49:08 11-28-91 26860 <--> 26916
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
There are quite a few versions of the Torn & Restored Paper which have
motivation built in (e.g., John Thompson, Jade). For that matter, the
most commonly used patter presentation for the newspaper (usually with
the Gene Anderson method) is Sid Lorraine's patter which was made
popular (_too_ damned popular) by Doug Henning; in that routine, the
whole thing is presented as a demonstration of illusionary tearing,
which provides a conceptual context for the trick beyond the "look what
I can do" approach.
However, while these various justifications are valid, I'm not at all
convinced that they are necessary. Consider that Arnold Furst's "Fresh
Fish" is explicitly motivated, but (to me) it ranks somewhat down on
the scale, whereas my personal favorite T&R Paper is Jack Goldfinger's,
which involves no motivation whatsoever.
Msg #26909 Dated 1:54:34 11-28-91 26886 <--> 26912
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BONES
His name is Joel Hodgeson.
Msg #26910 Dated 2:19:32 11-28-91 26841 <--> 26918
From: FRANK ZAK
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
Harrison,
What can I say. If I ever get back there again you can return the
favor. Regarding the negative cards. Did I send you a negative card
book? It was spiral bound called Positive in the Negative sense. If not
I will send you one. Also, Judy's #'s are 365-3980 (w) and 364-4727(h).
It was really great seeing you. I always enjoy our time together. I'll
talk to you soon.
Frank
Msg #26911 Dated 9:42:28 11-28-91 26900 <--> 26949
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GENO
Nathan is a Magicalpumkin?
Msg #26912 Dated 9:42:31 11-28-91 26901 <--> 26917
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BONES
Turned their heads... AS USUAL I SPELLED HIS NAME WRONG....
DUH
IT IS JOEL NOT JEFF...
.
Funny story: (briefly) He was booked on Letterman. He does a gag
with a packet of dynamite sticks with a timer... he got to NY,
unpacked his props in the hotel and spread them out on his bed.
.
Decided to go out for a bit...
.
Maid came in saw DYNAMITE WITH TIMER, called cops... they destroyed
all his stuff... When he got back... chaos...
.
Didn't have time to get new stuff, etc.... however Letterman said
to come on anyway and tell the story... figuring it was very funny
story... twas...
.
The guy is incredibly funny.... we shud get him to work an IBM
sometime... you see his stuff on Cable every day? Great original
premises and bits...
Msg #26913 Dated 9:42:51 11-28-91 26903 <--> 26952
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC! TO COPPERFIELD
So this is where you get your commission?
Msg #26914 Dated 9:42:54 11-28-91 26906 <--> 26953
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
OK it was 3 am... I thought he said he saw Copperfield's Lev....
.
Sorry dude... my mini alzheimers and the late hours I been keepin'
are getting to me... Next thing I will Spell MAX's name wrong...
Msg #26915 Dated 9:43:00 11-28-91 26907 <--> 27261
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
The New Magic of Japan is certainly a SLEEPER of a book. Some great
stuff in there... I guess I just overlooked it when it came out, or
was out of touch... got it now tho....... thanks again MM
Msg #26916 Dated 9:43:05 11-28-91 26908 <--> 26923
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
You hit it all right on the spot re Newspaper tearing. Jack's
presentation is E N T E R T A I N M E N T and what other motivation
is there???
.
True, I don't care for "irrelevant" magic... but it doesn't take
much thought to make it otherwise... timing, a comment, a linkage...
.
When I was a sign painter, Arnold's Fresh Fish was perfect for me.
Still plan to use it from time to time...
Msg #26917 Dated 9:43:16 11-28-91 26909 <--> 26951
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BONES
See my earlier msg to david l.... thanks.... Got to start sleeping
nights... been typing at the old keyboard on this book... like a
demon... (also see my message to Cy, re: Persi)...
Msg #26918 Dated 9:43:20 11-28-91 26910 <--> 27012
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
Welcome online Frank... Where do you live and what is your interest
in magic? Any relation to Ed Zak, the photographer in San Francisco?
He did my PR pix about 20 years ago -- great guy and great shooter.
Msg #26920 Dated 10:53:15 11-28-91 26887 <-
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HAND OF CLEOPATRA
something like that, yes.
Msg #26921 Dated 11:48:32 11-28-91 26873 <--> 26974
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CRANBERRY ROULETTE
Just a note -- The Castle is not open for Brunch this Friday, though it
will be open in the evening.
Msg #26923 Dated 11:54:16 11-28-91 26908 <--> 26961
From: T A WATERS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
Another notable T&R which has no motivation -- but a terrific premise
-- is Chris Hart's music sheet.
Msg #26924 Dated 12:27:09 11-28-91
From: GENO MUNARI
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: JAPAN-HONG KONG
That's right.
Msg #26925 Dated 12:27:14 11-28-91 -> 26936
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
I feel as though I am on chase for the illusive magician.
Msg #26928 Dated 12:27:35 11-28-91 -> 26939
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
Ok. But I wonder how he can possibly make it work,,,,,there is
a lot of competition and rent on the strip is real expensive.
Msg #26929 Dated 12:27:42 11-28-91 -> 26938
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
I would love to see it.....Jimmy Grippo just raves about him.
Msg #26930 Dated 12:27:48 11-28-91 26500 <--> 26932
From: GENO MUNARI
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Thanks Bill, it has been fun. There are really several towns
out this way that may foot the bill, I will forward more details
when I return home.
Msg #26931 Dated 12:27:56 11-28-91 -> 26941
From: GENO MUNARI
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Would love to see him in person, or on tape, I hear that he has
a complete workshop in his car, complete with lathe, so he can
make his own props....he must be a real smart fellow.
Msg #26932 Dated 12:28:04 11-28-91 26500 <--> 26943
From: GENO MUNARI
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
I will keep me eyes and ears posted for a location, if you are
interested...however I think you have it under control pretty
darn good.
Msg #26933 Dated 12:28:12 11-28-91 26522 <--> 26937
From: GENO MUNARI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Good Idea Jerr.....You will really enjoy the show.....I have
got a great metal trick for you.
Msg #26934 Dated 12:28:19 11-28-91 26527 <--> 26956
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
I am back in US for a few days, then back again to Japan. I will
mail you the brouchere......
Msg #26935 Dated 12:28:26 11-28-91 26528 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
I have scaned the area where we were in China, and hopefully it
will be completed.
Msg #26936 Dated 12:28:32 11-28-91 26595 <--> 26940
From: GENO MUNARI
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
Thanks for thinking of me, however I just got back from aterrific
trip, but will be out again in a few days, and you are right it
was very expensive. I'll total out the cost after I get my
sleep adjusted.
Msg #26937 Dated 12:28:42 11-28-91 26602 <--> 26977
From: GENO MUNARI
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
He is a nice guy and really likes magicians.....am hoping to support
his efforts in setting up his magic collection in Las Vegas...
Msg #26938 Dated 12:28:48 11-28-91 26611 <--> 26942
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
I have many of the same thought, by the way I am back in the states
for a few days, then hopewfully back to Japan. I hope to catch
up with you there....
Del Ray is supposed to be a mechanical genius besides a good
magician. Lou Lancaster was speaking to me today and he says that
he had a complete workshop in the trunck of his car, including a lath
e.......I just can't wait to see his stuff. He has been a legend for
years and according to Lou rarely goes to a magic convention
because he so busy working...I would really fly anywhere to see
him.
Perhaps if someone knows where he is performing, I would take a
special trip just to see him.........
Thanks for Ken's number, I will give him a call as soon as I am
finished with this message.
Msg #26939 Dated 12:29:11 11-28-91 26615 <--> 26962
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
Can't be too many locations because the Circus organization will
be building a new first class Pyramid Design, next to the Hacienda.
Msg #26940 Dated 12:29:18 11-28-91 26626 <--> 26954
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
I am back and will be off again in a few days....I have your broucher
e and will mail it today.......thanks for all the support on this
global trip.
Msg #26941 Dated 12:29:26 11-28-91 26656 <--> 26966
From: GENO MUNARI
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Bill I have one contact to ask, Ken Norris. Do you have another?
I will trade three of my videos for the set. Mine include the
Riffle Shuffle and Second Deal, and the Casino Cheating TApe.
Thanks very much.
Msg #26942 Dated 12:29:36 11-28-91 26690 <--> 26947
From: GENO MUNARI
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
I can't wait to see this great!
Msg #26943 Dated 12:29:41 11-28-91 26813 <--> 27359
From: GENO MUNARI
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
I think Las Vegas is your best bet, because if with a little bit of
juice, we could assist your arrangements and get you the best
possible deal. And LAs Vegas is free territory, it belongs
to everyone. It also allows more amenities to magicians and
better all arounf prices....please let me know if I can help.
Msg #26944 Dated 12:29:51 11-28-91 -> 26957
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: THANKS
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL......and best of everything to everyone.
Msg #26947 Dated 13:49:50 11-28-91 26938 <--> 26976
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
If you speak with him, he will probably re-tell you what I heard
yesterday. In case you don't reach him, and in case others might be
interested, what I learned is that the filming took place about 2 years
ago in Philadephia. The guys at Philadelphia Magic know Del well, and
asked him to appear at their day of magic. Several others filled out
the rest of the day, such as Gary Kurtz.
.
Ken couldn't actually remember what all he filmed, for reasons I'll
mention in a minute, but he originally thought that Del had done a
lecture, performed close up, and done his stage act. When I pointed
out that it would have been very unusual for Del to have lectured, he
pointed out that he might NOT have lectured. That maybe his memory was
of the several other lectures that took place that day. He DID,
however, feel certain of Del's lonclose up show, and of his Stage act.
.
Ken didn't actually see the results of his filming, as he turned over
the raw film to the guys who ran the convention. Last year he called
to see what happened to the footage, and he was told that the ENTIRE
batch of film had been recorded with NO SOUND.
.
At this point, Ken feels the events that were filmed will never see the
light of day. From the timing, it doesn't sound as if the footage Ken
was responsible for is the recordings that others on the board have
mentioned.
.
The thought of it all does make you wish we had more insight inton the
way he thinks, doesn't it?
Msg #26949 Dated 15:26:55 11-28-91 26911 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GENO
RE: "Nathan is a Magicalpumpkin?" - OK, Pete, you is back on top as the
King of the one liners!
Msg #26950 Dated 15:25:03 11-28-91 -> 26959
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: GENE ANDERSON
Gene Anderson is featured in an article inCHEMECOLOGY, a magazine from
the Chemical Manufacturs Association. He is the first in a series of
articles profiling successful chemists from a variety of work settings.
Very positive image for Gene and for magic.
Msg #26951 Dated 15:29:15 11-28-91 26912 <--> 26967
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BONES
That is a funny story! Actually, I guess it is a Dynamite story! As
to booking him for IBM - You already book too many funny guys there -
We should have some serious magic once in a while.
Msg #26952 Dated 15:31:35 11-28-91 26913 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC! TO COPPERFIELD
No commission on this trip, Pete! But now that I know how you operate,
I'm gonna keep my eyes on the books for the "Cheep-o but Good-o trip to
FISM '94."
I'm in a foul mood today (in case you can't tell). I'm the guy who
killed Thanksgiving around here. I woke up this morning with a sinus
attack drilling into my skull. Have spent whole day in bed trying to
get rid of it. Am a bit better now and I think we are finally going to
sit down for "lunch." Thank goodness we didn't have guests.
Msg #26953 Dated 15:35:26 11-28-91 26914 <--> 26968
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
Here's a though for IBM - book both Lance and Copperfield and let '
em levitate each other.
Msg #26954 Dated 15:38:56 11-28-91 26925 <--> 26955
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
Yeah, a chase for the illusive magician it what it does seem like!
Maybe like one of those spy thrillers where everyone is looking for
everyone else in Hong Kong.
Msg #26955 Dated 15:40:14 11-28-91 26940 <--> 26964
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
You are back? Back where? Tokyo or Vegas? I think you've just
created a game called "Where In The World Is Geno Munari?"!
Msg #26956 Dated 15:45:31 11-28-91 26934 <--> 26963
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Let me get this straight, Geno -- you came home for lunch and you're
going back to Japan in a few days? Sheesh! We could have mailed a
sandwhich to you!
Msg #26957 Dated 15:47:11 11-28-91 26944 <--> 27003
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: THANKS
A very Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Geno! Your reports have been the
highlight of the month - maybe the year - here on MAGIC!
Msg #26959 Dated 15:50:28 11-28-91 26950 <--> 27017
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: GENE ANDERSON
Thanks for the info on the Gene Anderson article in Chemecology, Doug.
Can you give us the reference to the Volume and number in case anyone
wants to look it up? Thanks.
Msg #26961 Dated 17:21:30 11-28-91 26923 <--> 26975
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
I mean, there are DOZENS of great torn/cut/smashed/burned AND
restored... I think the original premise of this thread was not
thought out -- no offense to anyone... but don't stop thinking so
soon. Open discussion here is very good stuff.
Msg #26962 Dated 17:21:36 11-28-91 26928 <--> 26965
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
His problem, right?
Msg #26963 Dated 17:21:39 11-28-91 26934 <--> 26969
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
You goin be able to hit N. Calif? I gone Dec. 5-8 to Salt Lake City,
then Jan. 5-th to Akron and onto Tabby's place on 8th for the
Music City fandango...
Msg #26964 Dated 17:21:44 11-28-91 26936 <--> 27008
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
Are you back in the land of the slots and ... well you know...
Msg #26965 Dated 17:21:47 11-28-91 26939 <--> 27054
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
What is going in where the Golf Course came out? Diagonally oppo-
site the Excalibur?
Msg #26966 Dated 17:21:51 11-28-91 26941 <--> 27005
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
What bout the belly tape?
Msg #26967 Dated 17:21:54 11-28-91 26951 <--> 26984
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BONES
OK, will pull in 12 Dove workers and 9 that do new moves with the
Zombeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech
Msg #26968 Dated 17:21:58 11-28-91 26953 <--> 27000
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SETUP
You saw our worksheet? Rats........
Msg #26969 Dated 17:22:01 11-28-91 26956 <--> 26998
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
He ran out of marked cards? He broke his thumb tip... no, I got it,
he ran out of newspapers to tear and restore? He had a hankering
for a bed longer than 48-inches? A mattress? His own pillow?
.
Roast beef?
Msg #26970 Dated 17:22:07 11-28-91 -> 27001
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: PHONE CALL
Ee;26959
Just got off about a one hour (OUCH$$$$$$$$$$$$) phone call with
the great Topper Martyn, in Sweden... Lots to say, and one item,
he said there is a young guy that is a clone of David Copperfield,
same look, etc. much of the same magic (no levi) and is doing
great business in Sweden.
.
Topper said the news of the Levitation had not reached him yet...
.
He did supply me with some historic references for my book, and
agreed to write the Foreward. Now need someone to write the
Backward... I'm doing the middle...
.
He has a print of an early, performance, but not as early as the
one from Yamamoto... but is a famous Kabuki performer...
.
Topper is doing series of shows with a classical pianist. For
the young kids they do the show in Swedish, the older ones they
do it in English. His role is to get them interested in and to
listen to Classical stuff... He say with the fast cutting and
rapid fire stuff on TV (he hasn't seen MTV) that the kids coming
up now HAVE NO ABILITY TO CONCENTRATE... and is worried about that.
.
They want INSTANT gratification... period... don't have the ability
to take their time and do anything tedius... can't even read books
anymore! Boy did he spot a trend or what????
.
Well stay out of the Malls tomorrow... BURP... need to get my
thighmaster, gutbuster and jogging shoes out... Altho I understand
if you use more than five excercise machines they cancel each other
out and you get fatter immediately.
.
On a Photoforum, a guy in hospital was resported have been put
on a diaretic and LOST 160 LBS in one week... Boy, he must've been
bloaded.. this was not a funny bit, a true one that I can't figure.
How can that be??? argh...
Msg #26974 Dated 19:12:41 11-28-91 26921 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CRANBERRY ROULETTE
Thanks TA, I knew that, we are going for the evening.
Msg #26975 Dated 19:12:43 11-28-91 26908 <--> 26989
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
Christopher Hart's torn and restored music sheet is done silent, with
appropriate lapses in the music as the paper is torn. Completely
self contained, and very well done.
Msg #26976 Dated 19:12:48 11-28-91 26947 <--> 26980
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Speaking of Gary Kurtz, I heard that he had a serious accident with
one of his effects. Seems he has a wheel with knives pointing up and
the audience assistant is to turn ONE of the blades down. He than spi
ns the wheel and slams his hand down on the only knife folded down.
Something went wrong and he slammed his hand down and drove a knife
blade completely through his hand. It's not serious and he will be
OK.
Msg #26977 Dated 19:12:55 11-28-91 26933 <--> 27009
From: JERRY BURTON
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Is that Metal or Mental - whatever, glad you are thinking of me -
thanks !
Msg #26978 Dated 19:12:58 11-28-91 -> 26990
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Ee;26867
Anyone else enjoying the Adamms Family Marathon on LA TV Channel 9.
Normally I watch the Twilight Zone, but since I'm getting the tapes
each month - I switched to Adamms this year - Burp - Hope everyone
else has as good a day as I did. My Mom still makes great dressing.
I probably gained 10 pounds today - no room for Key Lime pie will
have it tomorrow.
Msg #26980 Dated 19:15:26 11-28-91 26976 <--> 26985
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
You've Gotta be Kiddin' Me!
Msg #26981 Dated 19:23:38 11-28-91 26889 <--> 27024
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
The reason I thought I was not as good as others is because I learned
the coin roll from "The Amateur Magicians Handbook". It says...
"This small and easy juggling feat..." and "After a while, as the
motions become a habit, the coin will almost spin across your
knuckles." I figured it would take me a week or two to learn a small
and easy juggling feat!
Msg #26982 Dated 19:28:03 11-28-91 26890 <--> 27258
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
re: the Four of Clubs- Darn close Pete, I figured diamonds would be
easier for them to recognize than puppies feet so it was the four of
diamonds not clubs. You got a lot closer than I thought you could!
Msg #26983 Dated 19:39:20 11-28-91 -> 26991
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC LINES
We have had several discussions on here from time to time about using
our own material and how it is unethical to use anyone elses material
without either their permission or paying for it. Yesterday I received
five booklets from Daytona Magic all penned by Harry Allen called
"Sleight of One Liners, Sleight of Tongue" etc. I figured he had
written them all and that since I paid for the books that I could use
any of the material contained therein.
However- on the inside of each of the books he says he makes no claim
that all of the humor is his own. He says he has taken some of the
best known lins in comedy and adapted them to magic. I recognized MANY
of the lines currently being used at the Castle. I'm still not sure if
I have the "right" to use the material or not. OK, so I paid for the
material but did I pay the OWNER of the material to use it? Hmmm.
Msg #26984 Dated 20:34:59 11-28-91 26912 <--> 26999
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BONES
A few corrections to your story: Joel was booked for Saturday Night
Live. He performed the piece with the fake bomb. The next morning he
went out for a walk; when he came back, the entire hotel had been
evacuated and the bomb squad was moving in to disarm the device that
the maid had discovered sitting on the dresser. When Joel explained
that it was a fake prop of his, he was almost arrested; what saved him
was the fact that the show had aired the night before, thus proving
that the prop was for that purpose. The story made the NY Times.
Msg #26985 Dated 20:36:52 11-28-91 26938 <--> 26986
From: MAX MAVEN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
It's tough to catch Del's shows, because they are mostly private
functions. Also, he refuses to fly, for complicated reasons beyond the
fact that he values the workshop in his car; thus, almost all of his
work is in the east, in driving range of Pennsylvania.
Msg #26986 Dated 20:38:17 11-28-91 26976 <--> 26993
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
The effect was a "Russian Roulette" routine involving five knives, all
point-down in a stand. While Gary's back was turned, the spectator
turned one knife point-up, then covered all five with paper sleeves.
Gary would then turn around, and quickly slam his hand down on the four
covered knives which were point-down.
The effect went wrong because on that occasion the spectator didn't
follow his instructions, and turned _two_ knives point-up.
Oh, yes -- the spectator was an amateur magician.
Msg #26987 Dated 20:44:49 11-28-91 26852 <-
From: JIM SISTI
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC MENU
Thanks, Stan...
Msg #26989 Dated 22:05:31 11-28-91 26975 <--> 26997
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
I could see as i read of the torn and restored music sheet (I've
not seen Christopher Hart) you doing it to the Blue Danube. Great
stuff.
Msg #26990 Dated 22:05:35 11-28-91 26978 <--> 27002
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Happe Turkey Day to you Burton. Glad you had a good day. Sounds like
your dinner was as good as mine. I'll be watching for the big brown
truck.
Msg #26991 Dated 22:05:40 11-28-91 26983 <--> 27025
From: TABBY CRABB
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
On the same note on who owns the right to original material, an
article in Nashville paper today on the Judds suing some guy who
had a video camera in the audience of a U-2 concert. The court aslo
sorry ALSO:::::put an injunction on the guy stopping any sale til the
suit is settled. Seems that Wynonna is the owner of her likeness
and gets to decide who gets to have stuff. Interesting!! That's why
the programs for The Music City Conclave say---> No video cameras
please!
This is not aimed in any way at you. Your message on one liners
reminded me of this and the discussions we had on video taping we
all had a few months back. I learned a lot from that discussion,
believe me.
Msg #26993 Dated 22:05:56 11-28-91 26985 <--> 27028
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
If you are in touch with Del Ray I would like to see if he'd be
interested in driving to Nashville for future MCCMS.
Msg #26994 Dated 22:06:00 11-28-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: WHERE TO SEND STUFF
Ee;26987
Give me a call when you get home. 615-449-7385. Got some mail for
you!
Msg #26997 Dated 22:28:15 11-28-91 26975 <--> 27023
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
Hart's torn and restored music sheet is very interesting. Unique
presentation and an unorthodox method.
Msg #26998 Dated 22:32:56 11-28-91 26969 <--> 27015
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Somehow, it seems impossible to me that Geno would run out of cards,
marked or otherwise. Missing his pillow is a distinct possiblity - a
good tip - when traveling on foreign shores, especially if one is
alergic to feathers - it is wise to bring one's own pillow.
Yeah, could have been the roast beef.
Msg #26999 Dated 22:35:22 11-28-91 26967 <--> 27027
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BONES
Nah, I get tired of too many doves - please reverse the order and make
it 9 dove workers and 12 Zombie workers.
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