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Msg #27000 Dated 22:36:35 11-28-91 -> 27526
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SETUP
I couldn't help seeing your work sheet - I was doing an out of body to
discern your selected card for the Global MAGIC! Trick and the
worksheet was on your desk.
Msg #27001 Dated 22:38:36 11-28-91 26970 <--> 27032
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PHONE CALL
Thanks for the Sweden/Topper report, Pete! Hope you told him to log on
to MAGIC!
Msg #27002 Dated 22:42:02 11-28-91 26978 <--> 27155
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Wish I'd remembered that it was Marathon Day on television. Oh, well,
maybe next year. I missed the Parade and everything. Was able to take
the turkey though.
Msg #27003 Dated 22:45:29 11-28-91 26944 <-
From: EVAN KATZ
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: THANKS
Thank you, Geno! Best to you, too!
Msg #27005 Dated 0:38:40 11-29-91 -> 27007
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Pete,
There is no doubt in my mind as to how important the performance
is. I would love to see you perform sometime. I'm sure that I
would enjoy it immensly, and that there is TONS of stuff I can
learn from you. I only suggest that you have more technical
skill than you are giving yourself credit for.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27006 Dated 0:38:46 11-29-91 -> 27011
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
David,
I went and saw Liam Clancy and Tommy Makem a bit ago. They did a
song called "Red is the Rose" which is the same tune as "Loch
Lomann." In the introduction to the song, they accused the
Skotch of stealing the tune for "Loch Lomann." They said,
though, "...that's okay, we gave them the bagpipes and they
still haven't gotten the joke."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27007 Dated 0:38:52 11-29-91 -> 27010
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
David,
Thanks, I'll give him a call.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27008 Dated 0:38:57 11-29-91 -> 27034
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
Geno,
You know how if you pass a particularly gruesome car wreck, you
don't want to look, but some hideous thing inside of you makes
you look. That's how I feel about your total phone costs. How
long are you going to be gone for this time?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27009 Dated 0:39:03 11-29-91 -> 27014
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Geno,
For all of the publicity Mr. Copperfield gets, I don't know much
about him. How did he get his start? Who were his teachers?
His idols? I guess I ought to see if there is a good biography
somewhere.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27010 Dated 0:39:08 11-29-91 -> 27033
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Geno,
You have a tape that instructs on the second deal? I had
intended on buying your tapes, but if you have one that teaches
second dealing, I will tighten the belt a little more, and get it
now.
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27011 Dated 1:19:23 11-29-91 27006 <--> 27038
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Ah, but did they hold the copyright on "Loch Lomann"? Guess this
stealing of intellectual property stuff has been going on for a _long_
time! Clancy and Makem is good stuff!
Msg #27012 Dated 1:24:51 11-29-91 -> 27039
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
Thanx Pete. I live in Las Vegas. We met briefly at the Desert Magic
Seminar. I've been doing magic for close to 20 yrs. I do mostly
close-up. No, I'm not any relation to Ed Zak. However, I did work as a
commercial and fashion photographer in Pittsburgh, PA. I have been
living in Vegas for the last 13 yrs. I'm trying to get a magic bar
going here in Vegas. Do you know of any magic bartenders that might be
willing to relocate to Vegas? If my financing doesn't fall through I
have a shot of being up and running by March. Any help would be
appreciated.
Msg #27014 Dated 1:21:32 11-29-91 27009 <--> 27035
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Nathan has a nice bio of David, but since it is autographed, we framed
it and put it on his wall - it would be a bit difficult for me to get
the info back out at the moment! Guess I should have scanned it first!
David is 35 years old, he was born in Metuchen, New Jersey on September
16th, 1956 (David Kotkin). There are apparently two versions of the
story of how he got interested in magic - Whaley says that it was after
he saw a demo in a department store; T A says that he wanted to be a
ventriloquist and went into a magic store to buy a ventriloquist's
figure. In any event, it was probably when he was about 12. He
started taking magic lessons and proved extremely adept at it. In
addition to other film and television roles, he has done 13 television
specials (his first was in 1977 when he was 21). In 1980 the Academy
of Magical Arts named him Magician of the Year, and he has also been
named Stage Magician of the Year by that body. He has done a number of
spectacular feats, including flying across Grand Canyon, vanishing a
Lear Jet, the dining car of a train, and the Statue of Liberty, and
walking thru the Great Wall of China. He is a regular headliner at
Ceasar's Palace.
There is an interview with him, done by Gary Oulette, here in the Files
Area. T. A. has a very nice bio of him in his Encyclopedia of Magic
and Magicians and, if he will give permission, I will be willing to
post it here.
Msg #27015 Dated 2:07:34 11-29-91 -> 27021
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Feathers are not a problem in Japan; the standard material used for
stuffing pillows there is beans.
Msg #27017 Dated 5:00:31 11-29-91 26950 <--> 27022
From: DOUG SMITH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GENE ANDERSON
You may get a copy by writing Chemical Manufacturers Association
2501 M St , N.W. Washington, D. C. 20037
(2020887-1100
ashington, D. C. 20037
887-110
CHEMECOLOGY November 1991 Vol 20 NO. 8
Msg #27021 Dated 9:18:24 11-29-91 27015 <--> 27041
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Is it considered rude to bring one's own pillow?
Msg #27022 Dated 9:19:26 11-29-91 27017 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: GENE ANDERSON
Doug - Thank you very much for the info on getting the Chemecology
issue. I would think it is not a magazine most magi get!
Msg #27023 Dated 9:47:27 11-29-91 -> 27031
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
With Chris' "Newly-Found" fame... wonder if BMI and ASCAP are going
to trail him for "Royalty Payments" to Barbara Streisand?
Msg #27024 Dated 9:47:31 11-29-91 -> 27085
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
You probably DID learn it in a week or two... but it took longer to
get good at it... hah! ;+)
Msg #27025 Dated 9:47:35 11-29-91 26983 <--> 27026
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
Good question... good point. My advice. Do this... take a line you
think might fit what you are doing... OK?
Then RE WRITE IT... SEVERAL TIMES... WORK ON IT... CHANGE IT...
MAKE IT YOU...
.
Here is an example. This was done in conversation about the same
subject some time ago with Dai Vernon.
.
The line: "Hold out your hand" (Spectator does so) "No, the clean
one!" (This, believe it or not I have tracked to the originator.
That person is Zaney Blaney.
.
OK, now to re-write it...
.
"Hold out your hand" (now you have to think of NEW PUNCHLINES.
.
The one I settled on (because at the time I was doing a lot of
stuff with people in auto business) is:
.
"Hmmm... Did you have a flat tire coming here...?"
.
It fit me, the situation and was NEW.
.
GO TO IT!
Msg #27026 Dated 9:47:59 11-29-91 26983 <--> 27071
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
oh, FORGOT one point... the line "Hmmm did you have a flat tire...
is not DEMEANING, LIKE "NO THE CLEAN ONE"....
Msg #27027 Dated 9:48:03 11-29-91 -> 27080
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BONES
Thanks for clarification. I had recently been told the story by
someone back east and that was the version he told me...
.
I think it's a great story... better than most...
.
Do you watch his TV Series? Mike Close is the first to get me
onto Mystery Science Theater 3000 - watched it back at his place
when I spend the month of May at the Indy 500.
.
Just happened to think... he also might have done Letterman and
"re told the story"...
.
While I got your ear... (or eyes)... I have THREE dates of
publication for a book from the 16th Century. "de Subtilitate",
by Cardano. I read about it three times, each with different date.
1550, 1554 and 1555. Do you know this book? Do you know the date?
.
If you talk to T A or Ricky... understand Ricky has the book,
maybe he can clarify???
.
Thanks again...
Msg #27028 Dated 9:48:25 11-29-91 -> 27029
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Any idea how the guy that "knocked off" Del Ray's act got the
"work" on the table and dice?
Msg #27029 Dated 9:48:29 11-29-91 -> 27030
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
I would hope that Gary used the other three knives on the former
amateur magican (now professional IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Msg #27030 Dated 9:48:33 11-29-91 -> 27055
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
tABB I can get ahold of Del Ray fo' ya... GREAT FOR MUSIC CITY...
BOOK HIM THIS YEAR AND DON'T PAY ME... I WILL COME FREE IF YOU
GET DEL RAY.... JUST TO SEE HIM...
Msg #27031 Dated 9:48:38 11-29-91 -> 27042
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
What makes you think the method is unorthodox? Do you know
how he does it?
Msg #27032 Dated 9:48:42 11-29-91 27001 <--> 27043
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PHONE CALL
He would log on a lot but electricity has not been invented in the
little fishing village called Uppsala (WHERE HE LIVES in the center
of one of the world's great Magical Junque/Antique shoppes!
Msg #27033 Dated 9:48:47 11-29-91 27005 <--> 27061
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Aw shucks, gee, gosh all fishooks.... ARgh? Nargh... tanks... who
told you the lies?
Msg #27034 Dated 9:48:51 11-29-91 27008 <--> 27062
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
Clever lad, Geno... he picks pockets and only keeps telephone co.
credit card numbers....
Msg #27035 Dated 9:48:55 11-29-91 27009 <--> 27036
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Copperfield spent the first ten years as my student.
Msg #27036 Dated 9:48:58 11-29-91 27009 <--> 27037
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
You didn't believe my previous message did you?
Msg #27037 Dated 9:49:01 11-29-91 27009 <--> 27040
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
It was really only seven years. The kid learns fast.
Msg #27038 Dated 9:49:04 11-29-91 27011 <--> 27045
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
You should be doing the research I am on the Linking Rings. You
read all the olde antiquarian books and they are all the same stuff.
One plagiarist even printed the title page with the other printer
and publisher's name... and the book is a killer money wise and
collector wise now.... arhg....
.
I am on the trail of a source dating back more than 450 years ago
discussing linking rings.... am up to 5,832 pages in my book.
Msg #27039 Dated 9:49:14 11-29-91 27012 <--> 27092
From: PETE BIRO
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
The best magic bartender still alive is Tom Mullica... and he is
currently AS WE SPEAK looking for a site... he has something very
close to signing... but...
.
Also, Daniel Cros, who worked at the Desert Inn in the bar there
for years is, I have heard, not currently employed.
Msg #27040 Dated 9:49:21 11-29-91 27014 <--> 27044
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
While you are at it (I assume you have it) post the address for
David' Fan Club... you can join and get photos, info., etc. and all
the money goes to a good cause, "Project Magic" which aids
impaired children by teaching them simple magic to practice.
Msg #27041 Dated 9:49:27 11-29-91 27015 <--> 27079
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Yeah, just don't get your pillow wet!
Msg #27042 Dated 11:07:13 11-29-91 27031 <--> 27048
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
RE: Hart - "What makes you think the method is unorthodox? Do you know
how he does it?" - Yep, I do.
Msg #27043 Dated 11:10:25 11-29-91 27032 <--> 27049
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PHONE CALL
RE: Topper and not having electricity.
Bull Taco! Sweden has lots of electricity! Maybe he got no phone?
Nope, that won't work - you talked to him. I'll bet you just forgot to
mention it!
Msg #27044 Dated 11:12:29 11-29-91 27040 <--> 27060
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Actually, no, I don't have the address for David's fan club. Will try
to get it.
Msg #27045 Dated 11:14:23 11-29-91 27038 <--> 27050
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
RE: Ancient intellectual property.
Yep, I think that if anything, the situation has gotten better, not
worse. Up until modern times, people did stuff like you mention -
literally reprinted the other guys book - title page and all. It is
done less often now, except in software.
If your book is up to 5,832 pages I think that is GREAT! You will
outdo the James book!
Msg #27048 Dated 14:47:21 11-29-91 27042 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TORN AND RESTORED PAPER
OK
Msg #27049 Dated 14:47:34 11-29-91 27043 <--> 27074
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PHONE CALL
If you know Topper you would not even suggest a computer....hahahahah
Msg #27050 Dated 14:48:10 11-29-91 27045 <--> 27059
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
My page size is small!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #27054 Dated 17:41:54 11-29-91 -> 27058
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
Pete, no comprende?
Msg #27055 Dated 17:43:02 11-29-91 -> 27081
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Thanks for the information Max. I just have heard so much about him
for years and really would love to see him perform. From what I can
deduce, he must be a real individual thinker and completely original.
I really hope to catch up with him. Hope to see you soon.
Msg #27056 Dated 18:49:09 11-29-91 -> 27093
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: FICTION
Yesterday, PRODIGY sports columnist Dick Schaap
reviewed a new mystery novel by William Murray, who
writes in the tradition of racetrack/mystery writer
Dick Francis. This new one (I'M GETTING KILLED RIGHT
HERE) is Murray's sixth in a series about "Shifty Lou
Anderson, a professional magician and racetrack
degenerate." Sounds like an interesting character.
I'm unfamiliar with the series, but it would be
interesting to see how (or why) the magic ties in with
the track.
*
It might also be interesting to know if any of you have
ever been influenced by fictional magical heroes.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #27057 Dated 19:04:41 11-29-91 -> 27068
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: PHOENIX
Pete,
I placed the PHOENIX comment. It was buried in a note
to ALL on a different topic, which is why you probably
couldn't find it. Anyway, the item is called "On and
Off" and is on page 214, issue 52 of the PHOENIX. It's
quite funny and would take most modern magicians (it's
an in joke) by surprise. If you don't have the issue
handy, let me know and I'll be glad to forward the
writeup.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #27058 Dated 19:07:54 11-29-91 -> 27069
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
You're such a Brut!
'W.
Msg #27059 Dated 19:09:43 11-29-91 27011 <--> 27075
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
You know us folksingers, if a melody isn't chained down, we'll
steal it! Brings to mind a lot of the old Guthrie material.
When I was first introduced to folkmusic (at age 5 or so) I
couldn't understand how two songs could have the same melody.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27060 Dated 19:09:48 11-29-91 27014 <--> 27063
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
David,
Thank you for the bio info. I suppose, as Pete will attest, it
is the ability to perform that sets Mr. Copperfield above others
in the same field. My finances seem to be going better, so I
hope to purchase a copy of T. A.'s book, but would still enjoy
seeing it, if T. A. doesn't mind.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27061 Dated 19:09:54 11-29-91 27033 <--> 27070
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Pete,
Everyone told me the stories (about your proficiency) and only
you say otherwise. I have to assume modesty.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27062 Dated 19:09:58 11-29-91 27034 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HONG KONG MARKET PLACE
Pete,
What a great idea. Then when the victim gets a bill for
$3,245,890 for this weird 818 area code number from Japan, and
call to find out who it is, they get:
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27063 Dated 19:13:17 11-29-91 27036 <--> 27064
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Pete,
I believe everything you tell me. Why do you ask?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27064 Dated 19:13:22 11-29-91 27037 <--> 27065
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Maybe I can squeak by with only 26 years then?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27065 Dated 19:17:45 11-29-91 27035 <--> 27066
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Gee Pete,
In that case can I be your student?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27066 Dated 19:21:23 11-29-91 27063 <--> 27067
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
You should believe...
Msg #27067 Dated 19:21:45 11-29-91 27065 <--> 27088
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Anybody can be a student of my "secret workshop" but you have to pay a
lot of money for the bed and breakfast... (not really) anybody that
wants to learn and work at it is welcome to come anytime. Not that I
really know what I am doing... but percection is everything...
Msg #27068 Dated 19:23:02 11-29-91 27057 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: PHOENIX
Many thanks Steve... I should have it. Supposedly I hava A COMPLETE
FILE.... The other reference (I think in same message) concerning
a mention of "historic importance" in Hugards... WAS A KILLER!!!!
AN ABSOLUTE KILLER ARTICLE... THANKS MUCHO MUCHO MUCHO....
Msg #27069 Dated 19:23:08 11-29-91 27058 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: FLASH!!!!
How did you find out?
Msg #27070 Dated 19:23:11 11-29-91 27061 <--> 27089
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
I am so modest that I can't wait to get MY STATUE (of me) up in
front of the Castle! ARgh...
Msg #27071 Dated 20:05:15 11-29-91 27025 <--> 27072
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
Pete, thanks for the reply regarding the patter lines. I've come up
with some lines that I THINK are all mine although I always hesitate to
claim originality with my magic. For instance when I do the wrist
chopper effect I've come up with "Relax, this works nearly everytime!"
and "Don't worry, this comes with a money back gurantee if it doesn't
work!" Actually I've come up with lots of lines for that number so
anyone is free to use those if it fits their act.
I like your idea of taking the lines written in the books I bought and
changing them around to making them my own. Besides, that way it
sounds more natural when I say them.
Msg #27072 Dated 20:10:28 11-29-91 27026 <--> 27090
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
Speaking of demeaning lines, I could not BELIEVE how demeaning many of
the lines were in the books on one liners I bought. You would either
have to really hate people or have a death wish to use some of those
lines as insulting as they were. I read through all five books that I
got and used a highlighter on the lines I liked. Many pages have NO
highlights at all. Ever think of writing your own book of oneliners?
Msg #27074 Dated 22:08:34 11-29-91 27049 <--> 27101
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PHONE CALL
RE: Topper The way I figure it, if the man's got a phone, and he lives
in a country that produces Saabs and Volvos, and it's cold and he's got
nothin' to do but read old copies of Genii, then he should have a
computer.
Msg #27075 Dated 22:09:55 11-29-91 27050 <--> 27076
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
RE: Your 5,832 page book. Look at it this way, Pete. It could come
with wheels - you take 'em off and you can link 'em. Bet you could get
the tyres for the book made by Goodyear - call 'em "Magic Radials."
Msg #27076 Dated 22:11:14 11-29-91 27059 <--> 27091
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Hey, we had a Revolution with the dudes in England and what did we do?
We stole the music to THEIR anthem!
Msg #27079 Dated 22:45:45 11-29-91 27021 <--> 27083
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
No, it's considered a stupid waste of luggage space.
Msg #27080 Dated 22:46:18 11-29-91 27027 <--> 27087
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BONES
Sorry, can't help on the Cardano reference. Ricky is out of state for
a prolonged period. Try Minch.
Msg #27081 Dated 22:46:59 11-29-91 27028 <--> 27104
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
The story goes that he hired Del to perform at a private party in his
home in St. Louis, and secretly videotaped the act.
Mind you, I'm referring to the guy who got nailed at the Castle last
year (Rick Nieswonger); he's not the only one to have stolen from Del.
There's a guy down south -- I forget where -- who also had everything
duped. And in Japan, Mr. Maric did a bastardized presentation on Del's
dice ladder, without permission (but then, that's nothing new for him.)
Msg #27083 Dated 23:06:11 11-29-91 27079 <--> 27097
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Hmmm... Maybe one should bring a bottle of Tom Ogden's "Beano"
instead. A pillow can be looked upon as an aid to packing. It can
keep one's suit from being crushed.
Msg #27085 Dated 23:47:41 11-29-91 -> 27086
From: BART BISHOP
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
Now I'm sad.....could it be?? Well, I'll keep trying a little
more. Have you been working with this?
Msg #27086 Dated 23:49:57 11-29-91 -> 27105
From: BART BISHOP
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
It's good to know that my wife is not the "only" one!
Thanks.
Msg #27087 Dated 23:57:18 11-29-91 27027 <--> 27095
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TYPE EXP NRLF FOR LOAN DE
Pete,
Here is the information I was able to find about de Subtilitate.
Hope it
helps.
Enjoy!
Kevin
DISSERTATION
Author:
Cardano, Girolamo, 1501-1576.
Uniform title:
De subtilitate. Book 1. English & Latin.
Title:
The first book of Jerome Cardan's De subtilitate; translated
from the original Latin, with text, introduction and commentary,
by Myrtle Marguerite Cass ... Williamsport, Penna., The
Bayard press [c1934]
Description:
191 p. incl. front., illus. 21 cm.
Notes:
Latin and English.
Vita.
"The Latin text is printed as it appears in the Basel
(1560) edition with ... [a few] exceptions."--Pref.
Published also without thesis note.
"List of abbreviations": p.187-190.
Thesis (Ph. D.)--Columbia university, 1933.
Subjects:
Science -- Early works to 1800.
Other entries:
Cass, Myrtle Marguerite, 1908- ed. and tr.
De subtilitate.
Call numbers:
UCB Main Q155 .C31 1934
Author:
Cardano, Girolamo, 1501-1576.
Title:
Hieronymi Cardani ... De svbtilitate libri XXI. nvnc
demum recogniti atq[ue] perfecti ... Basilea, per Lvdovicvm
Lvcivm, 1554.
Description:
561, [1] p. illus., port., diagrs. 34 cm.
Notes:
Title vignette.
Among inventions described in this work are a telegraph,
a combinatory alphabetical lock, etc. The 16th book,
"de scientiis", contains treatises on geometry,
arithmetic, algebra, music, etc.
Subjects:
Science -- Early works to 1800.
Other entries:
De subtilitate libri XXI.
Hieronymi Cardani mediolanensis medici.
Call numbers:
UCLA Art * Q 155 C17d 1554 Belt Coll
Author:
Cardano, Girolamo, 1501-1576.
Uniform title:
De subtilitate.
Title:
Hieronymi Cardani medici mediolanensis De subtilitate libri
XXI... Parisiis : Apud Iacobum Dupuys ..., 1551.
Description:
[24], 312 leaves : ill. ; 18 cm. (8vo)
Notes:
Spine label: Cardanus De subtilitate 1551. DSI
Signatures: 2A-2C8 a-z8 A-Q8.
Title vignette (publisher's device); decorated initials. Leaves
printed on both sides. Includes index.
Subjects:
Science -- Early works to 1800.
Other entries:
Dibner, Bern, b. 1897, donor.
France Paris.
Call numbers:
UCSF Library No call number History NonCirc
Author:
Cardano, Girolamo, 1501-1576.
Title:
Hieronymi Cardani Medici Mediolanensis De svbtilitate : Libri
XXI. Norimbergae : Apud Ioh. Petreium, 1550.
Description:
371 p. : ill., port.
Notes:
Includes index.
Subjects:
Science -- Early works to 1800.
Occultism.
Other entries:
De subtilitate.
Call numbers:
UCSF Library No call number History Media
Author:
Cardano, Girolamo, 1501-1576.
Title:
Hieronymi Cardani mediolanensis medici De subtilitate libri XXI
/ ab authore plusquam mille locis illustratt, nonnullis etiam
cum additionibus ; addita insuper Apologia adversus
calumniatorem, qua uis horum librorum aperitur. Basilea : Ex
officina Petrina, March 1560.
Description:
[88], 1426, [4] p. : ill., diagrs., port. ; 17 cm. (8vo)
Notes:
Among several inventions described and partly illustrated in
this work are a telegraph and an alphabetical combination
lock. Book XVI, "De scientiis," contains treatises on music,
algebra, arithmetic and geometry. Third edition, in which the
author retracts his famous statement (printed in the 2nd ed.),
"Igitur his arbitrio victoria relictis," a remark that made his
religious convictions suspect to the authorities of church and
state. See Brunet V, 1573 which lists this edition. "Hieronymi
Cardani ... In calumniatorem librorum De subtilitate, actio prima
ad Franciscum Abundium": p. 1265-1426 (the author's Apology)
Includes indices.
Subjects:
Philosophy.
Science -- Early works to 1800.
Inventions.
Other entries:
De subtilitate libri XXI.
Call numbers:
SRLF Spec.Col. Q 155 C17d 1560 Request at UCLA Special
Collections. Type EXP SRLF for loan details.
Msg #27088 Dated 0:04:53 11-30-91 27067 <--> 27106
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Pete,
Be careful with generous offers like that one. I might be camped
on your front door so fast it'll make your head swim. Not only
would I like to meet you, and become a student of your "secret
workshop" but you live in one of my favorite parts of the
country.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27089 Dated 0:04:59 11-30-91 27070 <--> 27107
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Pete,
What'll be the inscription?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27090 Dated 0:05:04 11-30-91 27072 <--> 27099
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
Stan,
It always amazes me the amount of people who confuse being
obnoxious with being funny.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27091 Dated 0:14:14 11-30-91 27076 <--> 27094
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
Yeah, but not as our National Anthem. Have you ever seen "Beyond
the Fringe"? There is a line in there that I like, and will
regale you with on Sunday if you haven't seen the show.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27092 Dated 0:45:01 11-30-91 27039 <--> 27318
From: FRANK ZAK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
From what I had heard Tom was looking here in Vegas. And Daniel is
working Hospitality Suites. He is also working on a TV deal if my info
is correct.
Msg #27093 Dated 0:47:12 11-30-91 27056 <--> 27319
From: FRANK ZAK
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: FICTION
The magician in the series is patterned after Mike
Skinner here in Vegas. He works the gourmet rooms at the Golden Nugget.
The Shifty Character is how Murray would like to be.
Msg #27094 Dated 1:17:21 11-30-91 27091 <--> 27102
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
I don't think I've seen "Beyond the Fringe." Is it anything like
"Beyond the Blue Event Horizon"? See you on Sunday in full regalia.
Msg #27095 Dated 1:20:49 11-30-91 27087 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TYPE EXP NRLF FOR LOAN DE
Thanks, Kevin! I had no idea there were a couple of copies here in
town! Thanks!
Msg #27097 Dated 2:24:14 11-30-91 27083 <--> 27098
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Clearly our methods for packing differ.
Msg #27098 Dated 9:44:32 11-30-91 27097 <--> 27109
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
So it would seem. But it would make sense, considering that our
wardrobes appear to differ as well. Should I also assume that when you
travel you don't take your own artwork to cover the hotel supplied
pictures?
Msg #27099 Dated 9:58:39 11-30-91 27071 <--> 27100
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
You hit it... NATURAL... If it sounds like you JUST THOUGHT OF IT,
and made the comment off the cuff... it is PERFECTION...
.
I worked numerous times at one night club. Chatting with the guy
that booked me once, I asked, "How come you use me so often?"
He said, "You always DO DIFFERENT MATERIAL EVERY TIME!"
.
Like I say, PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING... I DID THE SAME TRICKS
EVERY TIME I WORKED THERE... never changed anything... the bag is
packed, I pick it up, I do the show, I pack the bag.
.
BUT.... the talk (I hate the word Patter) -- A L W A Y S seemed to
be "off the cuff" and spontaneous.
.
Mainly because I can never remember 'WORD FOR WORD' TYPE OF STUFF,
I just react to audience and keep it loose...
Msg #27100 Dated 9:58:56 11-30-91 27072 <--> 27112
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
Lichtman says I have written a book full of one liners... here on
MAGIC!
.
Starting with ARgh!
Msg #27101 Dated 9:59:02 11-30-91 27074 <--> 27124
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PHONE CALL
He's got more to do than read old copies of Genii. How about some
antiquarian books, his constant performing (he is one of the busiest
acts in Europe) TV, Concerts, close up, Juggling (world class!),
you name it.
.
One more time.... no, RIGHT NOW... here's his number, you call:
011-46-18-52-13-22
Msg #27102 Dated 9:59:10 11-30-91 27075 <--> 27108
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
Like I said, you make the deals we split the dinero...
Msg #27104 Dated 9:59:44 11-30-91 27081 <--> 27154
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Yeah I knew of R. N. copping it, but didn't know the modus... what
a crude dude...
.
Funny, I understand he has lots of dough... and if he went up to
Del and said "Here's 10K can I do the act" if Del was cool he would
take the money knowing the guy would really never be competition!
Msg #27105 Dated 9:59:51 11-30-91 27085 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BART BISHOP (X)
Re: MUSCLE PASS
NO, I don't do the muscle pass. Don't seem to have the right shape
to my hands. And I do have a muscle weakness from a childhood
disease...
Msg #27106 Dated 9:59:56 11-30-91 27088 <--> 27113
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I must thank you for the book research. How did you find this out?
And I don't know how to read some of the "access" ? info... are
these some place that they can be looked at, borrowed or purhased.
Might be some reprints??? Huh.... you knocked me dead with the
message!
Msg #27107 Dated 10:00:03 11-30-91 27089 <--> 27369
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
To Kevin!
Msg #27108 Dated 10:00:06 11-30-91 27094 <--> 27111
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
You mean nobody snuck in to see Copperfield's opening last night.
Tsk... you could then sit there and say "Boy this next thing is
going to get you..." Or, "Oh, I've seen that trick, he goes over
and...."
.
Boy what a bunch of wimps.
Msg #27109 Dated 10:00:13 11-30-91 27097 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DAVID LICHTMAN
Max, assume you read Curtin's message to me with the book HISTORY!
WOW to say the least!
.
This is what makes MAGIC! so exciting and worthwhile.
Msg #27110 Dated 10:00:21 11-30-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TYPE
Two typos. One just now in header TYPE should be TYPO and FAY, as in
Freddy should have been FAH.... My wrists are falling apart... writing
this book is tough on my body! Back is out too... need better chair or
a shorter subject to write about... ARgh... later...
Msg #27111 Dated 11:25:59 11-30-91 27094 <--> 27116
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
David,
"Beyond the Fringe" is a comedy written by several Englishmen.
It is VERY funny.
Hey, I've got an idea. All my guests for the David Copperfield
show know that you and Stan and Jerry and Evan are magicians.
Wouldn't it be interesting if I slipped you some tidbits of
information on several of my guests, and you could "psychically"
see the info?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27112 Dated 11:26:06 11-30-91 27099 <--> 27115
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
Pete,
"A good ad-lib takes a week of preparation."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27113 Dated 11:26:11 11-30-91 27106 <--> 27118
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Pete,
The access is from the MELVYL system for the entire UC system.
Through it I can also access the Denver library, the Princeton
library, Yale library, etc. etc. The call letters and access
numbers are the various campuses that carry a copy of the book.
Almost all of the copies of that particular book are in special
collections, which means you can look, but you can't check out.
For about $50 one can receive a UC library card. This, in my
opinion, is worth its weight in gold.
I hope the info helped.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27115 Dated 15:44:44 11-30-91 27099 <--> 27117
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
Well Pete you do have a gift for being spontaneously funny and
entertaining. I can't remember all of my lines either but I don't have
a natural talent for improvisational comedy or engaging in humorous
banter off the cuff. I remember reading an interview with Robin
Williams who is one of the all time great comedic improvisers and he
would practice and work at all of this off the cuff stuff and have so
much of it at hand that it all SEEMED off the cuff. I think he learned
that from Johnathan Winters, another great one.
Msg #27116 Dated 16:08:13 11-30-91 27111 <--> 27121
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Peter Cook and Dudley Moore wrote and acted "Beyond the Fringe" and
later did "Behind the Fridge" (which Jay Marshall and I saw in
London) then it came to the Broadway show with a new name (same
show) called "Good Evening".
Msg #27117 Dated 16:08:19 11-30-91 27112 <--> 27119
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
Wrong. A good ad-lib takes YEARS of prep...
Msg #27118 Dated 16:08:22 11-30-91 27113 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
It certainly did help. I have already "reformated it and set it in
type for the Bibliography"... Tanks... seems like one reprint isn't
that old, might try to locate a copy.
.
Thanks
Msg #27119 Dated 16:08:29 11-30-91 27115 <--> 27120
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
It is almost IMPOSSIBLE to be "really off the cuff"... Jay Leno is
one of the best at coming up with fresh comment lines I have ever
seen. Although Carson ain't bad either. That's why they have the
job!
Msg #27120 Dated 16:08:35 11-30-91 27115 <--> 27123
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
I have just looked at a video of Wes Zaharuk... don't know where he
is from... but he has some of the funniest ORIGINAL comedic prop
stuff I HAVE SEEN IN A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG TIME.
.
Anyone out there know anything about him?
.
Also Rebecca Yen's tape... very excellent performer, from Florida.
Msg #27121 Dated 17:08:50 11-30-91 27116 <--> 27125
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
I remembered Peter Cooke and Dudley Moore, but I seemed to
remember a couple of other writers on the show. I saw it at the
Old Globe in San Diego with Peter Cooke, but no Dudley Moore. I
wasn't even aware of "Behind the Fringe" but will try to find it
somewhere.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27123 Dated 19:06:02 11-30-91 27119 <--> 27133
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
"Off the cuff" comes from the fact that you have the lines written on
the cuff of your shirt. Magicians are not the only ones who have
something up their sleeve - comics do too.
Msg #27124 Dated 19:08:04 11-30-91 27101 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PHONE CALL
Knowing you, Biro, that is the number in Sweden for Dial A Prayer!
What am I supposed to do? Call Topper up cold and say, "Buy a
computer"? You were on the phone with him for an hour - you could have
said "Call MAGIC!"
Msg #27125 Dated 19:09:42 11-30-91 27102 <--> 27126
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Right now I'm only doing deals on Windows. You want tyres, you gotta
make your own deal. Maybe next week I'll be doin' tyres.
Msg #27126 Dated 19:11:06 11-30-91 27108 <--> 27127
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
RE: Sitting in Copperfield's audience and guiding the tour
Remember, I saw him a few weeks ago in Veglas.
Msg #27127 Dated 19:12:29 11-30-91 27111 <--> 27131
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Great Idea! Feed the info online! Best one for psychic stuff is
Burton - he can look at 'em intently, wave one of his crystals over 'em
and read their aurora. But you will have to dump the stuff on to him
TONITE 'cause he generally only signs on once per night. Go fer it!
Msg #27130 Dated 19:52:44 11-30-91 -> 27136
From: EVAN KATZ
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Kevin
Is there any chance of getting another ticket for tomorrow's show?
(That would make three). Wish I had your number, drat!
Msg #27131 Dated 21:38:04 11-30-91 27121 <--> 27134
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
"Behind the Fridge" (not Fringe -- fridge, as in British Refrigerator
... they used "Good Evening" for title in US as they didn't think
the Yanks would get it... I met Dudley shortly after he did "10"
at a party and no one else there knew who he was so I got to talk
to him all evening. Great dude...
.
There probably were other writers in Fringe...
Msg #27133 Dated 21:38:22 11-30-91 27123 <--> 27140
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
A race car builder/driver (Jim Hurtubise) once drew the plans for
a new Indy car on the garage floor in chalk. When done he decided
to have a party. It got a little out of hand, and they started to
dance... it moved to the garage and they (you guessed it) DANCED ON
AND ERASED HIS PLANS!
Msg #27134 Dated 21:38:29 11-30-91 27126 <--> 27139
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
So did Geno. Who, in fact, phoned me today to say he was still
having time zone-itus.
Msg #27136 Dated 21:38:47 11-30-91 27130 <--> 27138
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Evan, call the box office in the am, or just show up and see if
there are any no shows... unless Kevin gets back to you with other
info.
.
The best seats I ever had for a Broadway show came by showing up
2 minutes before curtain time and asking box office if there were
any cancellations. She had just hung up phone getting such, and we
sat in 5th row center for Jack Lemon's TRIBUTE... killer show...
Msg #27138 Dated 21:44:08 11-30-91 27130 <--> 27144
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Evan -
If you log back on tonite - call ME between about 10 a.m. and no later
than 11:15 a.m. on Sunday (818-899-8812) - I HAVE an extra ticket!!!
Msg #27139 Dated 21:46:33 11-30-91 27134 <--> 27142
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Glad to hear that Geno is OK, just time-swizzled. But isn't he about
to turn around and head back? Probably just in time for his jet lag to
have caught back up with Vegas!
Msg #27140 Dated 21:47:53 11-30-91 27133 <--> 27178
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
Something tells me that Jim Hurtubise said more than "Argh!" (tm -
Biro) when they danced on the plans! Just goes to show - he shoulda
made a backup copy! Shoulda done it in his neighbor's garage as well!
Msg #27142 Dated 22:15:10 11-30-91 27127 <--> 27143
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
Okay, here goes:
Walt Noon: actual name is Walter Charles Noon III. His dad is
Walt Noon Jr. He can't make up his mind whether he believes in
psychic phenomenon or not. He is EXTREMLY intelligent. He is
into electronics, robotics, aluminum casting, Kirlian
photography, and just about everything else. He runs a BBS
called the Clock Tower here in Riverside, and that is how he and
I met. He has a brother named Mike, and a sister named Kim. She
lives in the Chicago area with her husband who is studying to be
a doctor. Walt's birthday: 2/14(Valentine's day)/64
Karri Curtin: my wife. We have been married 2 years as of last
October 7. She was born 10/10/67 and is 6 years younger than me.
She HATES to not know how a trick is done. She has a Brother
named Mike, a brother named David and a brother named Gary. She
is the youngest of her family.
Myrna (I don't know her last name): works with my wife at Coco's
in San Bernardino. She is dating Walt. She will be the shortest
member of our party. She has a young son named Alex, and a
brother named Jim. She also has a couple of sisters.
Mike Curtin: My brother. He will be fighting out the title of
tallest person in our group, and holds the record for biggest in
our group. He is 7 years older than me. He has been a
journeyman plumber, but is now looking for other employment. He
is interested in many things, but particularly in bicycles (talk
about recumbants, and sit back and listen) and helicopters. He
was born 2/28/54
Stanton Curtin: my father. Very much the skeptic on everything.
Good humored, but can be arrogant. He is a machinest at Rohr
industries here in Riverside, but just had a knee replaced is on
disability at the moment. He enjoys flying, and has a Beech
Bonanza at Riverside airport. Born: 5/1/41? Wife's name is
Mary. (my mother)
There, that ought to be enough to freak some people out.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27143 Dated 22:15:26 11-30-91 27131 <--> 27151
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Pete,
Sounds like you've had an enjoyable life so far. Thanks for the
correction, I would have sounded like an idiot asking after a
play that never was.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27144 Dated 22:15:31 11-30-91 27130 <--> 27148
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Evan,
Looks like David answered your question already, which is just as
well, as I didn't have any extra tickets. I have the 25 tickets
in hand, and will distribute them when we meet at the theatre.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27148 Dated 23:03:31 11-30-91 27136 <--> 27149
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Thanks, Pete!
Msg #27149 Dated 23:03:59 11-30-91 27138 <--> 27150
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
David--
Sorry! I no longer need a ticket! My sister-in-law is in town, and in
the absence of a firm answer from me, made other plans which she now
refuses to cancel... I hope this was not any trouble for ya! Got your
phone message, but it's now too late to call (11:05p).
See you manana -- outside the theatre, I assume.
Msg #27150 Dated 23:05:46 11-30-91 27144 <--> 27152
From: EVAN KATZ
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Thanks, Kevin. No longer need the x-tra tkt. Manana!
Msg #27151 Dated 23:19:51 11-30-91 27142 <--> 27156
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Got your list and it looks like Burton may have gotten it as well.
Sounds like an interesting crowd and I will try to do a bit of
homework, but I must admit that my memory is about .5 seconds long.
Sure hope Burton can do better!
Msg #27152 Dated 23:21:38 11-30-91 27149 <--> 27176
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
I don't think it is a problem, Evan - hope I didn't disturb you with
phone call. I have a guy who asked me to get a ticket for him and then
decided he couldn't make it. He said that if I didn't get someone to
take it, he would honor his debt, so should be OK. See you at the
Wiltern! 1:00 <<< SHARP!
Msg #27154 Dated 23:48:00 11-30-91 -> 27265
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Unfortunately, I don't know what I may be kidding you about ! Could
you be a little more specific ?
Msg #27155 Dated 23:48:03 11-30-91 27002 <--> 27161
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Normally I do the doo-dah parade (we are the Unknown Shoppers from
Newport Beach - I'm the unknown magician), will miss it this year
due to Copperfield. It will televised on channel 13 again this year.
Msg #27156 Dated 23:48:07 11-30-91 27127 <--> 27162
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
David its aura not aurora, but of course you knew that !
Msg #27160 Dated 0:14:47 12-01-91 -> 27183
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: HOLIDAYS
Had a great thanksgiving! I'm still having one due to the Infinite
Turkey Sandwich Syndrome (ITSS). Went to see the ADDAMS FAMILY! Funny
flick! I won't spoil it for anyone except to say, when you see it,
watch for Pugsley & Wednesday's Shakespeare performance. It's a riot!
Keep your eyes out for MCGAME.ASC in the file subsection. It's a basic
text adventure that takes you looking for magicians in the magic
castle. It should work in most BASIC's without any conversion, but when
you load it into your BASIC editor, save it immediately. This will save
it as a BASIC program rather than a text file. Instructions are
included.
Anyone catch Micheal Finney on Comic Strip Live. I've seen the Six Card
repeat done and overdone, but never with as good as a response as
Finney recieved!
Now, I should start my Xmas shopping...
Msg #27161 Dated 0:43:21 12-01-91 27155 <--> 27218
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
I've always wanted to do the doo-dah. Guess I'm just not ready for it.
Msg #27162 Dated 0:44:13 12-01-91 27156 <--> 27177
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: JAPAN
Yep, actually I do! I just thought aurora sounded neater.
Msg #27167 Dated 1:34:55 12-01-91 -> 27184
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Scott Cram has created and uploaded a fascinating new game! It is
based on finding magicians at the Magic Castle and it is really fun to
play! (Scott has included a disclaimer about the use of the Castle's
name).
Right now there are two versions of it available in the MAGIC! Files
Area:
MCGAME.ASC - This is Scott's BASIC program in ASCII format.
Scott originally designed it for an Amiga
computer, but believes that it will run under
BASIC on most computers. Since it is in ASCII
format, you may have to bring it into BASIC and
save it back out in "tokenized" format before it
will run.
MCGAME.EXE - For MS-DOS users, I've compiled Scott's program so
that you can download it and run it without needing
to run it in BASIC. You can run this version from
a DOS prompt.
When you first start the game, you will be prompted with
"Instructions?" Type Y and press the ENTER key to see the
instructions. To bypass the instructions, just press the ENTER
key.
One more thing - Scott apparently felt that you would be so hooked on
the game that you would never want to quit until you won a round! So
there is no exit! You have to use a "break" command to end in midgame.
On an IBM/MS-DOS system you can do this by holding down the CTRL
key as you press the BREAK key (or holding down the CTRL key as
you press the letter C if you don't have a break key).
THANKS, SCOTT!
Msg #27172 Dated 9:28:44 12-01-91 -> 27174
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Just don't have this major block of time on my hands right now
(like I did in Maryland) to bs around on the MAGIC! system like I
was doing, plus no rich partner paying my telephone bills either.
Imagine it will take me a few months to get my feet firmly
planted on the ground to again find the two to three hours a day
that my former devotion to MAGIC! required. Will try to catch
those interested up, those not interested LEAVE....FAST FORWARD
..... OK, here's the story. Am basically in Wilson County,
Tennessee having moved onto a combination horse ranch/cedar
forest/lime sink complete with dirt road, dust and hillbilly
neighbors. I have decided that the ranch must pay for itself and
we are working to convert it to an eleven stall boarding facility
for busy country music professionals who like to keep a horse
around just to take a ride every once ina while. The place, Cedar
Forest Farm, currently has five stalls in a fifteen stall sized
barn. Anyway, am going to call it Rancho DeCarlo or probably,
Cedar Forest Farm since it has been that for umteen years. You
know me, I had to find another old house with at least a modicum
of history. Was built by a doctor in 1840. He was later a Colonel
with the Tennessee Volunteers, being a sawbones (youch!). Mostly
they did cows here til past decade when it turned to horses.
Anyway, this is keeping me busy nexst few months as there is much
building to be done and I am the main builder plus around 3,000
feet of board fence. Last barn we built was a recording studio
disguised to look like a barn which prepared me to now make a
barn disguised as a recording studio which should make the music
people feel right at home. Interesting concept but as Pete Biro
says, "perception is everything." I feel I must add, "it isn't
what you know but what you feel that determines the basest of
decisions" and most people in the musical arts are pretty "tuned
in." Har!
I have been visiting the magic clubs in the area to say hello and
get to know the guys in the tennessee triangle plus try to get
some people to sign up for the music city conclave. I have
decided that it has all the makings of a first class event for
the workers of intimate magic. The local guys think it is a
closeup convention, and I guess it must look that way, but it is
really much more. The signups are coming in slow, but I can't
imagine anyone within driving distance wanting to miss this
lineup of talent or the chance to get to meet so cool guys and
the december ads will hit about now with the new address and
phone number.
Also went to Steel Guitar World and bought a vintage Sho-Bud
double necked pedal steel. You know the one. The one they made
with the heavy metal frame. Going to woodshed for a
couple of months and then second for a couple of friends. Just
got back from the back nine and there is a four acre lake in the
walnut grove (it's been raining for three days straight with two
to go). House is on high ground though and it is good that the
water table is rising.
That's enuff for now!
tabman
Msg #27174 Dated 9:56:43 12-01-91 27172 <--> 27185
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Tab -
It sure sounds like you are busy there in Tennessee! We miss your
active participation around here, but understand that you have more
irons in the fire than the average blacksmith right now. Real key is
that it is gonna work and you are building a home for you, Glo, the
hounds, Conjuror's Woodworks, magic, and MAGIC!
Around here we are ALWAYS thinking of you, your room is always ready,
and MAGIC! is always warmed up and waiting - whether you sign on from
Lebanon or Los Angeles.
Msg #27176 Dated 10:32:24 12-01-91 27138 <--> 27180
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Before Raeganomics and BushNOmonics I would have hopped on a PSA
and flown in to take your ticket.
Msg #27177 Dated 10:32:28 12-01-91 27139 <--> 27179
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
Yeh, he is going back. He had to come home to get his bean pillow.
Msg #27178 Dated 10:32:31 12-01-91 27140 <--> 27201
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
Hurtubise (or "Herc") was the guy -years ago- that had his Indy
car in line to try to make the starting lineup toward the end of
the scheduled qualifyings... Time ran out (they shoot off a gun at
6 pm and the track closes) ... well, ol Herc was about 2nd in line
when the deadline hit... what did he do? He lifted the COVER OFF
THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT (couldn't really call it a HOOD) and what
do you think?
.
NO ENGINE IN CAR.
.
What was there?
.
He had filled it with ICE AND BEER and started a brand new party.
.
He was one of the coooolest guys there wuz...
.
No, didn't die racing, got older and heart attack. Miss the dude.
Msg #27179 Dated 10:32:49 12-01-91 27142 <--> 27200
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
OK you slip the info to COPPERFIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #27180 Dated 10:32:52 12-01-91 27149 <--> 27181
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Now El Sysop can AUCTION the ticket to the scalpers outside the
Wiltern... or... let's see when is the next flight to Burbank from
Oakland...? Uh...
Msg #27181 Dated 10:32:57 12-01-91 27152 <--> 27186
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Rats, only flight I could get arrives Burbank at 1:15...tsk...
Msg #27183 Dated 10:33:13 12-01-91 27160 <--> 27217
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
Finney's timing was off last night on the TV... the audience, I
think... was OVER REACTING because the cameras were there. I have
seen him GET FAR GREATER "real" RESPONSE from the effect in a live
NO TV situation. Same with the rope. He also seemed to be RUSHED.
Again, the TV director probablys said, just before he went on...
"Keep it to four minutes"
.
I once had that happen and I just left a major trick out and it
went great. It is almost impossible to TIGHTEN a routine without
harm.
Msg #27184 Dated 10:33:25 12-01-91 27167 <--> 27202
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
MCGAME ? Sure MacDonald's OKd the name? Heheheheheheh.... what
is BASIC? Is my IBM a DOS machine? Doo Dah here I come... argh?
Msg #27185 Dated 10:33:29 12-01-91 27172 <--> 27187
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Send some water out here to Callie.... did you see the pileup on
Hiway 5 on the news? Worse then the SF Earthquake. Killed 17 and
seriously injured a whole bunch.
.
That's the commute road I generally use... argh... I don't understand
it tho... if it is so bad you can't see, why keep driving? Stop
and wait... We used to have Fog trips where we would slow down and
even stop and wait.
.
I find it hard to feel bad about the drivers... but the passengers!
ARgh...
.
Sounds like you have your work cut out fo' ya... but will be good.
You might start to look like your picture again! I wish I could get
going on something Physical (more than moving books onto the shelf
and typing)!!!!!!!
.
So... you and Mike Close will be the BAND... have you told him to
bring his axe? El Buz is now in Idaho... Gaetan has taken on a
great research project for me on the ring history... looking in
old French books -- I figure the Dark Ages on the European Continent
have really not been researced by the Amerikanski magic writers.
.
Persi gave me killer anecdote on Milbourne Christopher and John
Mulholland and THEIR "search" for the history of the Rings...
(Mmmm...The Lord of the Rings?) Nah, been used... anyway they
finally told him "We don't know nuttin'"....
.
Now am looking for pix of mojo men and women doing the rings.
Got one killer of Joe Karson (he invented Zombie) and a SUPER
KILLER OF JEAN HUGARD IN CHINESE MAKEUP...killer... or as
Frank Shields used to say about Hugard, "Jean Hugard? Sure, she
was great!" (You had to know Frank...)
.
Even got one of Merv Taylor, who intro'd the bent ring gag into
the USA. Originated by English Music Hall dude, Arthur Dowler.
.
Topper Martyn (historian, etc) is sending stuff and writing the
Forward. Paul Daniels sent me an anecdote or two. And Trevor Lewis
has sent stuff!
.
Got to get Tamiriz's reply sooooooon.... So far earliest ref is
a guy from SPAIN did rings in 1500s.... Strugling to get the
correct spelling of his name... got DAMNATUS and DAMAUTUS. Is
written up in De Subtilitate, 1550 but I ain't got a copy to look
at...ARgh.... hope Juan can help.
.
All (I know everybody reads this) any of you recall what year the
FISM was in Paris?
.
Well, thassall fo' now dude... will be scratchin atcha... and gots
to ring you on the Ameche about Music City...
.
All - those of you that beat the deadline... the lecture notes are
going out in Monday's Mail...
Msg #27186 Dated 10:55:38 12-01-91 27180 <--> 27199
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Yeah, Biro, get your butt on the shuttle!
Msg #27187 Dated 10:58:34 12-01-91 27172 <--> 27191
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Best of luck, Tabmab!
Msg #27191 Dated 14:46:41 12-01-91 27174 <--> 27194
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Thanks. Tomorrow we gear up and go into hyperspeed for a few weeks.
Fortunately, the IBM conv committee meets at the hotel next week so
will take a few days off and think about teching a big magic show
and comedy club plus the contests and getting to have supper with
Bill Wells and Pete Biro as well as the rest of the committee.
Msg #27194 Dated 18:38:06 12-01-91 27191 <--> 27203
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
You will be in Hog Heaven... mantab... argh...
Msg #27196 Dated 18:37:11 12-01-91 -> 27205
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND
This is a rough description of a trick David Lichtman first
posted on here many moons ago. It is meant to be shown to
magicians ONLY because it apparently uses many old familiar
ways to locate a chosen card. Every time they think they
know what you are doing you apparently ruin what you have
just done leaving them more perplexed then ever over the red
herrings they have been following. It's done with a force deck.
.
A FOOL (?) OF A MAGICIAN FOOLING MAGICIANS WITH A FORCE DECK
.
Do a poor false shuffle obviously keeping the top and bottom
intact.
Ribbon spread the cards making a big deal out of not peeking.
Put chosen card on top cutting the deck.
Allow spectator to cut the deck as many times as he wants.
Now shuffle.
Cut into 4 piles, hesitate, seem to do a magicians choice of
two piles then one pile.
Have spectator name a number between 2 and ten.
Count down that number replace cards back on top apologizing
and say we are supposed to SPELL the number.
Take next card and slide it onto the table. Ask what the
name of the chosen card is and reveal it to the stunned magi.
.
Msg #27199 Dated 19:19:24 12-01-91 27176 <--> 27209
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Am really sorry you couldn't have hopped a jet and joined us. I'll
have more to say about the show later - but it was FABULOUS. Not many
magi get TWO STANDING OVATIONS.
Msg #27200 Dated 19:22:00 12-01-91 27177 <--> 27222
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
RE: "He had to come home to get his bean pillow." Isn't there a story
about that? Geno and the Beanpillow? All about a guy who was eating
a three bean salad at a buffet in Las Vegas...
Msg #27201 Dated 19:23:51 12-01-91 27178 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC LINES
"Herc" sounds like he was one heck of a guy! Sorry he's gone.
Msg #27202 Dated 19:25:50 12-01-91 27184 <--> 27718
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Yeah, you can download MCGAME.EXE and it will work on your machine,
Pete. You don't gotta mess with the BASIC version. Just remember that
when "Instructions?" comes up, type Y for YES and press the ENTER
key.
Msg #27203 Dated 19:29:16 12-01-91 27191 <--> 27210
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Just be careful about the hyperspeed and watch out for the burnout at
the end. Best to taper in and out like a marathon runner. At the end,
run slower 'til you stop.
Zounds like y'all will have fun (and work) in SLC next week. Hope
someone brings a laptop computer so's everyone can stay in touch. I'll
be lonely here otherwise.
Msg #27205 Dated 19:33:57 12-01-91 27196 <--> 27211
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND
Thanks for reposting the effect, Stan! It is a fun one to do for magi,
since, as you say, they will think 1) that they have it figured, only
each step blows the previous theory, 2) they will think that _you_ blew
it, only to find out you didn't!
Msg #27207 Dated 19:35:09 12-01-91 -> 27214
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
OK, everyone, where are your reviews/comments on Copperfield today? I
don't want to be first!
Msg #27209 Dated 20:59:57 12-01-91 27199 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD!
Last guy I saw get MORE THAN TWO SO's was...... (see next message)
Guess FIRST. (It was not me) Oh, Ballantine got two at Long Beach
IBM... but 3....
Msg #27210 Dated 21:00:02 12-01-91 27203 <--> 27221
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
You mean you think I can go someplace without my computing machine?
Dude?
Msg #27211 Dated 21:00:06 12-01-91 27205 <--> 27231
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND
OK, the loser is you... UNLESS YOU SAID KRESKIN. AT UC Berkeley.
Once for Linking Finger Rings. Once for end of his FAKE Hypnotic
Comedy act and final SO at the end.... he wuz awesome for those
kinds of folks... KILLER as Taboo mite say...
Msg #27214 Dated 21:00:39 12-01-91 27207 <--> 27220
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
GEeeeeeeeeeeeezuuuuuuuuuus.... I wait 'til 9 pm and nobody has the
guts to write about David's FLYING... ARE YOU ALL TOO AWE STRUCK,
OR WHAT??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
.
David... YOU GOT TO WRITE A COMPARISON WITH CAESARS SHOW...
Msg #27217 Dated 21:42:42 12-01-91 27160 <--> 27322
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
How bout a MCGAME for the mac??????? Your right about the Addams Family
And It was nice to see that "THING" was in just about EVERY scene!!!
Msg #27218 Dated 22:23:01 12-01-91 27161 <--> 27233
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Just got home and am watching the doo-dah tape, saw all my buddies
from the unknown shoppers drill team. Really outrageous stuff this ye
ar. One of my favorites was "The Pee Wee Hand Club", a bunch of guys
with dark glasses and canes (for the blind) with signs on their
flys that said "Playhouse". Another good group was "The Church of
Ornamental Furniture" they worship pink flamingos, swans, and other
ornaments people put in their front yards.
Msg #27220 Dated 22:23:10 12-01-91 27214 <--> 27225
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
No one seems to have written anything on Copperfield its now 10:30
so here my shot. The pace of the show was great major illusion, talki
ng bit (mostly with audience participation), then another illusion,
etc. The lighting and staging of the water elevation was quite well
done, it was very theatrical - and convincing.
.
The lady that did the body penetration (ala Pendragons) make it look
easy - (obviously a trained dancer) it was very smooth. Having the
hoop rotate automatically to show her passing through his body was a
nice touch.
.
The highlight for me was the flying bit - it really looked good. The
timing of the take-offs and landings made it actually appear that HE
was initiating and terminating the flying. Floating inside the plasti
c box was very impressive (cork in bottle, except with a person). The
hook-up was invisible. After the show David came out to say Hi and
mentioned they are training an eagle to fly with him - that will be
awesome.
.
I was all set to do some mentalist stuff, but the layout at Cantor's
just didn't seem right to me - so Nathan and I just traded tricks
at our table. He's going to be a killer. I got a kick out of Dave.
When I had a three year old, you always had some of the kid's stuff
with you, just in case. In David's case it's Nathan's Magic box -
the kid could do a half hour out of that box. Good day - good people.
Msg #27221 Dated 23:13:51 12-01-91 27172 <--> 27230
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Tabby,
Thanks for the update. Although I miss your more active input, I
understand the amount of "things" going on right now. I am
looking forward to the days when you have more time to devote to
MAGIC!
Good to hear from you!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27222 Dated 23:13:57 12-01-91 27179 <--> 27264
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: JAPAN
Pete,
Got the message too late to slip to Copperfield. Maybe I'll go
again and try then. GREAT SHOW!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27224 Dated 23:14:04 12-01-91 -> 27236
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Well, hell, I guess I'm game to try to review the David
Copperfield show. If I had realized what awesome responsibility
was falling to me, I would have taken notes.
I am not even going to try to list illusion for illusion, or even
all of the illusions. Just the ones that made an impression on
me (i.e. that I remember off the cuff).
The opening illusion was strong except for a sleight technical
problem. (A bulb burned out on one of the wands that were being
bandied about.) This did not detract from the trick itself, only
from the aesthetics. A flimsy box with flimsy side panels was
shown to be empty. The appearance of DC was expected, but not
the appearance of DC on a motorcycle. A well done illusion, both
magically, and choreographically.
I was impressed throughout the show with how well DC moved. He
has a tremendous stage presence.
Almost from the first, the audience seemed to me to be cool.
There wasn't the kind of reactions that I felt the act rated. DC
didn't let this slow him up, or bring down his energy. The
audience reacted favorably, but not with the enthusiasm that I
expected. It felt like each illusion was milked for a little
extra applause. That might have been because of the audience's
reluctance to give all that it should.
We've all discussed the flying routine that DC has incorporated.
I must say that it is without a doubt the finest levitation
illusion I've ever seen. A friend of mine wondered what they
told the young lady who was carried in DC's arms. He said that
he couldn't have resisted the temptation to reach above DC
feeling for wires! It looked much the way I would imagine flying
to feel. (does that make sense?) I was completely fooled.
Anyone who feels a need to tell me how this was done will be
welcomed with open arms.
I thought that DC's version of the Pendragon's woman through the
magician illusion was extremely well done. DC is put into a
sinister looking device with enough room for just him. Then a
woman penetrates through the middle of DC with her hands, and
eventually travels entirely through him.
I was very impressed with some of the close-up work that DC
performed. He performed the tricks in the audience, and had a
camera on him, which was projected onto a big screen television
on stage so that everyone could see. A good way to handle close-
up. I don't normally think of DC as a close-up magician, but he
did several tricks admirably.
Several of the illusions seemed to me to be throw-aways. A woman
is placed in a box, that seemingly twists her head around. I
could spot the wig from our seats. I was also less than
impressed with his closing illusion. DC dons an opaque-faced
motorcycle helmet and jumps onto a motorcycle which is hoisted
up. Even the non-magicians in my group spotted the switch of DC
for the DC look-alike.
The card trick with Orson Welles is well done as entertainment.
It impressed me that Welles had such a stage presence even after
all these years. There is something very commanding about
Welles. I would periodically listen to hear any slip-ups on the
digital mastering of the sound-track, then would find myself
falling under Welles' spell again.
DC came out and spoke with us briefly after the show. It was
very nice of him to do so even before his autographing duties in
the lobby.
All in all, this was a FINE show. It was well deserving of the
two standing ovations. DC is a great showman, and an extremely
talented magician.
Anything to add?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27225 Dated 23:19:27 12-01-91 27220 <--> 27228
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Jerry,
If there is one regret I had for the day, it was the lack of
ability to socialize. The Cantor's setup split us into several
groups making intercommunication impossible. Maybe we could have
some sort of get-together where we would be able to more freely
move about and talk.
Any ideas?
GREAT TO MEET EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27227 Dated 23:23:33 12-01-91
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: THE ALMIGHTY "DC" SHOW RE
O.K. David. I had a magic student this afternoon and couldn't make the
show. But plan on catching it early this week. I would be quite
interested in your learned review. So how's about it?????? Let's see
if I spent my magic dollar well.
Msg #27228 Dated 23:42:10 12-01-91 27225 <--> 27331
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Yeah... all come to the Desert Magic Seminar in Las Vegas next
March and we got three days to hang out!!! Hehehehheeh...
Msg #27229 Dated 23:42:14 12-01-91 -> 27234
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: DC
Ee;27227
Sounds like the LA crowd is a little "jaded" compared to those that
come to see DC at Caesars... where the customers CAN'T WAIT FOR HIM
TO DO ANYTHING....
.
Glad the FLYING 'NAILED' most.... the secret? Well, you got to
look in the Goldson books... heheeh...it is as old as the hills...
Maskelyne started it... Thurston followed, Keller and Blackstone
had versions... Carter did it (the Carter version was done by
John Gaughan at the L.A. Conference on Magical History...
.
But then John Gaughan took it to the next half dozen techie gener-
ations... One stop on the way is what you see at Lance Burton's
show... but the DC version is Guaghan's latest PLUS MUCH MUCH MUCH
MORE. FROM DC HIMSELF AND HIS STAFF AND FRIENDS...
.
Any one that has the interest should really dig in on the history
of the art... I have been going crazy on history lately buying
so many books from the 1800s it is MADNESS... but that is where
the foundations are...
.
I have a chapter in my book (now re-named: "The Encyclopedia of
Linking Rings") that says "there is nothing new"... and proves it.
.
Just got some info that a friend of mine in Belgium has a SOLID
SILVER SET OF LINKING RINGS... THAT WEIGH 22 LBS. Anyone out there
know silver value? How much is 22 lbs of it worth?
Does $70,000 sound about right?
Msg #27230 Dated 23:43:51 12-01-91 27210 <--> 27244
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Glad to hear that you will be bringing your laptop computer to SLC!
Gotta stay in touch with you guys! P.S. - Remind Nagel that he hasn't
logged on in some time.
Msg #27231 Dated 23:44:56 12-01-91 27211 <--> 27245
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND
Gads! I LOST! I thought of a lot of folks - none of 'em were Kreskin!
Msg #27233 Dated 23:57:14 12-01-91 27218 <--> 27246
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Some day I gotta get my act together and take it to the Doo Dah Parade.
I always forget about the darn thing until I hear the folks on the
radio describing it. Maybe next year you can remind me in advance?
Msg #27234 Dated 0:19:17 12-02-91 27229 <--> 27237
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DC
Oooooooo I have the Goldston books.
Msg #27236 Dated 23:58:35 12-01-91 27224 <--> 27238
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
I kinda wanted to see what everyone else had to say before I commented,
since I had the benefit of seeing most of the show twice recently.
My original Vegas show review is in message #23577, dated October 26th.
In that review I wrote "This is what magic should be like - beautiful
work, poetry for the mind and the soul." I stick with that statement.
I think that for a large number of lay people (and magicians as well)
David has become the personification of magic. Between his shows and
his specials he is probably the first name that comes to mind when you
mention magic to a layperson. And I think his reputation is totally
justified. David really raises magic to the power of art. Virtually
every move is worked out and delivered very nicely (A funny bit - in
his audience participation rope routine today he somehow managed to get
a knot in his own rope prior to cutting it. He smoothly got rid of it
and said, "Ha! A new move!"). His timing and delivery are terrific.
The whole thing is VERY smooth. And it isn't just because he is
bright, personable, etc. - it is because he works so damn hard! (See
the Oulette interview in the Files Area).
In two hours of theater, David is able to evoke a great many emotions
from the audience. The pace really never slows and the performance
alternates smoothly from large stage illusions to close-up. The fact
that for the close-up he is in the middle of the audience with tight
shots from the camera really does make a large audience feel the
intimacy of close-up. And a great bit today was that after a
succession of cute blondes selected from the audience for
participation, the tissue to rose went to an older audience member, a
fact not unnoticed by the older women in my group. I suspect that for
some reason today's audience was a bit more mature (older) than usual.
Maybe all of the kids were out of town for Thanksgiving weekend (this
could account for the slightly cooler reception someone mentioned -
take an upper middle age group, stuff 'em with three days of turkey,
and send 'em to the Sunday matinee and you are lucky if they remember
to applaud).
One highlight for me (and for Nathan, who knows the illusion from
Copperfield XIII) was to see the water levitation done live. David
hadn't done it at Ceasar's and it is truly beautiful. Someday, Nathan
dreams of seeing "The Big Black Box" - maybe next time. Apparently,
David travels with a lot of different material to fit different venues
and does different things in different places. Anyway, I felt that
getting to see the water levitation live was well worth the price of
admission - really beautiful.
The flying is, of course, superb. Every review here on MAGIC! has
raved about it. And the addition of an audience member is powerful
stuff! One comment I have heard and that I agree with is that the
video footage that preceeds it could be stronger. The intimate moments
when David sits on the stage prior to it and talks about how he dreamed
of flying really capture the audience. The video doesn't follow
through with dreams - it portrays failures to fly. There must be
something that could take its place. A long time ago, when I was in
television, we had a sign off film that was based on a poem that I
can't recall at the moment, but that had the line "I have slipped the
surely bonds of Earth, reached out my hand and touched the face of
G-d." (Or something very close to that). The video needs something
more like that. At first, the audience seems relatively unimpressed
with David flying - after all, they've seen Peter Pan. But the
"convincers" (several hoops are passed around David in midair and then
he flys inside a closed box previously inspected by the audience) are
what really do it. Suddenly they realize "Hey! This guy REALLY IS
FLYING!" and they go wild! The new part with the audience member is
SUPERB! And, as others have mentioned, after the show David told us
that in about a month he is adding an Eagle to fly with him. This is
strong stuff! His opening and the flying bring back the dreams of
every audience member and now that an audience member is in the air
with him, I think you can feel every audience member wishing it was
them. Really powerful theater!
In short, it always amazes me when one person (essentially, and no
insult to the others on stage because they make it possible) can hold
an audience spellbound for two hours. David does that, and he does it
very well.
Msg #27237 Dated 0:39:19 12-02-91 27229 <--> 27250
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DC
I guess, Pete, that some will care how David flys and your references
will be valuable to them. But I gotta tell you - I DON'T CARE! (OK,
so I pretty much already know - that doesn't matter). To me, he does
it so well that worrying about the how would be like seeing a great
painting and asking the artist "What brand of brushes do you use?"
Msg #27238 Dated 0:42:18 12-02-91 27236 <--> 27248
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
By the way, I think that the funniest line of the day for our group
occurred after the show when David came by to say hello. He walked up
and said, "Did you folks ever figure out where to go to get something
to eat?"
Yes, we did, and Canter's wasn't too bad. The food was good (mine was,
anyway). We did have to break into four smaller groups, but I don't
know of anyplace that twenty-five people can really sit down and talk
to everyone without a lot more time. As Pete suggested, the real place
to "hang out" is either Desert Magic or IBM in Salt Lake City. Rumor
is that MAGIC! will have sessions at BOTH. Desert Magic will be our
official MAGIC! Anniversary Get-Together and IBM is terrific!
Msg #27244 Dated 7:59:27 12-02-91 27230 <--> 27277
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Nagel hasn't even phoned...or nuttin honey...
His regular job must be going coo coo... I do know that his board
of directors Ordered him to replace all the MAC computers with
new DOS machines... it was said to be cheaper and smarter to do
that than to upgrade the MACs.
So I guess he is trying to learn how to use a real computer now.
Msg #27245 Dated 7:59:35 12-02-91 27231 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND
You had to be there. I am sure there are others... but none that I
have poisonally seed.
Msg #27246 Dated 7:59:39 12-02-91 27233 <--> 27278
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
One thing (so far) nobody has mentined. Was DC show Sold Out?
Msg #27248 Dated 7:59:46 12-02-91 27236 <--> 27249
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Why don't you write the poem line and your comments to David. Oh,
I forget he reads here doesn't he... heheheheheheh....
Msg #27249 Dated 7:59:50 12-02-91 27236 <--> 27251
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
You outdid yourself with MSG 27236 -- should be required reading!
Msg #27250 Dated 7:59:53 12-02-91 27237 <--> 27284
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DC
That reminds me... what brand of keyboard do you use?
Msg #27251 Dated 7:59:56 12-02-91 27238 <--> 27279
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
You see, Kotkin does read... "did you figure out where to go to
eat..." Hah... HE IS THE MAGICIAN...
.
DL, you didn't see it cuz you weren't there... but the night I
went to see him at Caesars there was a wonderful little laptop
sitting on a table.... hehheh....
Msg #27255 Dated 8:42:00 12-02-91 -> 27267
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOTKEY
It is now six days since you said "I got it but don't know how to use
it". I have no idea what you were talking about and the possibilies
for the responses I could give to that line are numerous.
Msg #27256 Dated 8:42:11 12-02-91 -> 27299
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
I realize that linking finger rings were being included...but where d
o you draw the line, linking cards, hulu hoops (a la Zimmerman),
ropes, balloons, coat hangers, hacksaws, etc. etc.
Msg #27258 Dated 8:42:42 12-02-91 -> 27272
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Try Radio Shack circa early 1980's for the color computer for the
masses. Affectionately called the Coco. I am sure others were on
the market earlier.
Msg #27259 Dated 8:42:53 12-02-91 -> 27273
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BAD CRC
Y is a funny letter, so is Q and Z. Maybe Crandall had a line with
the Y.
Msg #27260 Dated 8:43:00 12-02-91 -> 27271
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEW FILES
While your presumption that "lude graphics" are ones viewed in a
drug-induced stupor is certainly both astute and most contemporary,
I must confess my attempts to graphically express the lewdness of the
digitized dalliances and other lascivious gifs, tifs, BMPs, and so
forth was the result of a moment of phonetic fingering rather than a
planned pun.
Msg #27261 Dated 8:43:17 12-02-91 -> 27266
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
I have yet to see the Adams Family film, but reports from those I
know who have seen it are quite complimentary. Let us hope the
initial response continues high for Chris' sake.
Msg #27262 Dated 8:43:28 12-02-91 -> 27441
From: BILL WELLS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Wow...a musician who doesn't take drugs, a tee totaling Irishman!
You may be close to being an iconoclast! If you don't have Windows,
you might not even know that word nowadays.
Msg #27263 Dated 8:43:37 12-02-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MENU ITEMS (YUM)
As I said earlier, the restaurant gig was a LONG time ago...I would
guess about 1974 or 75. The name of the restaurant was The Cinders
and those working that gig other than the two of us included Larry
West and Peter Leech-Lewis who I saw at the Baltimore convention for
the first time in over 20 years. Somewhere in the files is one of
the old brochures from that job.
Msg #27264 Dated 8:43:54 12-02-91 -> 27274
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JAPAN
Winter Carnival of Magic is March 12-14 while the DMS is March 19
- 21. You will just not be doing anything much except magic in March
- Turkey Day was quite nice...I think we had about 16 people eating
here.
Msg #27265 Dated 8:44:07 12-02-91 -> 27302
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Pete...you never win any prizes trying to rank lists of performers!
Where do you put Slydini, Ken Brooke, Dai Vernon, Larry Jennings,
Eddie Fechter, and so on and on. Do you list them based on the sheer
impact the first time you saw them?...or your impression after seeing
them many times? You just can't win! In my humble opinion, Del's
act is a one of kind thing and not really comparable to many of the
others you mention. It did NOT impact on me as heavily as the first
time I saw Slydini, Goshman, and others who used skill and
misdirection more than Del does (althought many do not realize that
Del is quite good with the cards). Del's act gets a little long for
me and would be improved if a couple of the table bits were not done.
But that is my opinion.
Msg #27266 Dated 8:44:37 12-02-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HART IS THE THING
I missed the CNN's coverage of the Addams Family film....too bad!
Msg #27267 Dated 8:44:43 12-02-91 -> 27283
From: BILL WELLS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HOTKEY
Program Editor or PE is the one that used to come with Library, and
the Macros in WordPerfect. I believe it does show up on the WP Shell
menu. It is not the equation editor. It is a simple text editor
that I use when I want to change the autoexec.bat file or the
config.sys file. There are a number of shareware editors that are
also quite good.
Msg #27268 Dated 8:44:59 12-02-91 -> 27293
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
OK...so none of the Mounds bars have been sat upon...but wasn't there
some passing of said bars about the room while the Tabber was there?
Msg #27271 Dated 8:45:27 12-02-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW FILES
I dunno how lewcrative the GIFs, GLs, and TIFs would be...maybe MAX
is on a more profitable track in his observation of the phonetic
potential of combining the viewing with qualudes.
Msg #27272 Dated 8:45:37 12-02-91 -> 27275
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Have you let Nathan try his hand at Windows yet? It would be of
interest to see what the Icons meant to him. Probably something
quite different than the meanings they hold for us.
Msg #27273 Dated 8:45:48 12-02-91 -> 27291
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BAD CRC
There are also some bidirectional protocols which are beginning to
see greater usuage. I assume that a successful incorporation of
Z-modem would also permit the use of these beasts as well.
Msg #27274 Dated 8:45:58 12-02-91 -> 27292
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: JAPAN
The above (your message #26734) should have been intended to pressure
El Tabbo from making an inapporiate decision! Namely his NOT coming
to DMS which would be HIGHLY inapporiate!!!
Msg #27275 Dated 8:46:09 12-02-91 -> 27276
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Pete...don't be too hasty in saying "never" to windows. Windows
offers some real advantages in exactly the programs you work with
that would probably make things a lot easier for you. We just got
WordPerfect for Windows and maybe Becki can give you a report on it
in SLC if she has a chance to try it by then.
Msg #27276 Dated 8:46:23 12-02-91 -> 27289
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
UGH! A WordNerd user!!!!
Msg #27277 Dated 11:12:31 12-02-91 27244 <--> 27306
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Tell Nagel that you know a terrific, brilliant consultant that can help
with the migration to DOS machines.
Msg #27278 Dated 11:13:36 12-02-91 27246 <--> 27330
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
The Sunday matinee for this past Sunday did not appear to be totally
sold out. It was close, but I believe there were a few seats left. I
think it would be difficult to fill that particular date and time.
Msg #27279 Dated 11:16:38 12-02-91 27248 <--> 27280
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
I've spent part of the morning trying to track down the poem and post
it. I can almost remember the author's name and I think the title is
"Flight." It is quite famous. I had a printed copy someplace, but
I've been through the files and can't seem to find it. I'll keep
looking.
Msg #27280 Dated 11:51:13 12-02-91 27249 <--> 27282
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Thank you! I liked my own review/message so much that I actually read
it!
Msg #27282 Dated 11:53:00 12-02-91 27251 <--> 27307
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
I may not have been at Caesar's the night you were there, but I _HAVE_
seen the laptop computer in question. You want me to describe the rest
of the room?
Msg #27283 Dated 11:54:51 12-02-91 27267 <--> 27285
From: EVAN KATZ
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HOTKEY
Bill--
Re the editor thing... I haven't been happier with any other editor
than the one that comes with DOS 5.0. It takes up a lot of room when
it's in memory, but it's a simple and excellent text editor. Check it
out when you get a chance.
Msg #27284 Dated 11:56:37 12-02-91 27250 <--> 27309
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DC
My current keyboards are crafted in Taiwan, but my words are crafted
locally. And anyway, your question is OBSOLETE! The real question is,
what kind of "pointing device" do you use?
Msg #27285 Dated 12:00:42 12-02-91 27267 <--> 27298
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HOTKEY
Hmmmm.... The "PE" or "Personal Editor" that I know and use was an old
IBM (the computer company) product. Sure sounds an awful lot like what
you are describing. DOS 5.0 has a really nice ASCII/text editor called
"Edit." It alone is almost worth doing the upgrade for.
Msg #27286 Dated 12:00:44 12-02-91 -> 27295
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: DC
David--
I agree whole heartedly with your rave review. I deeply regret not
getting the chance to meet DC, but my wife's sister, who refused to go
to the show because of a previous engagement, was waiting for us at
home, and we had to get to her...
I was particularly impressed with the Welles section, and while I can
see it wouldn't do much for magi, I wonder how it affected laymen. For
someone who knows who Welles was, but who doesn't know th history of
the footage, this must have been _completely_ flabbergasting... Do you
know the exact year Welles shot that? My guess was early fifties...
Let's see... I agree on the switch on the motorcycle finale trick. I
think it was an execution glitch -- a movement problem that might look
quite good on "good" days... It's intereting that the water levitation
blew Nathan away -- it left me kind of cold. I bet the lay reaction
was closer to Nathan's than mine... Let's see, what else... I don't
know, what impressed me the most about the show was the attention to
detail. It takes a completely intimidating amount of energy and
concentration to keep coming back to the same material until you get it
so finely honed, and I noticed in a lot of the lines and bits that he
had worked very hard to perfect things... A study in great
showmanship...
Msg #27287 Dated 12:06:32 12-02-91 -> 27336
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOU
Jerry--
Nice seeing you yesterday! Sorry the wife and I had to split.
Sister-in-law problems. Looking forward the chatting with you at the
next MAGIC! function!
Msg #27288 Dated 12:07:20 12-02-91
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: HI!
Stan--
Nice seeing you and your wife yesterday! Sorry we couldn't stay, but
my wife is unfortunatley an only child. Oh well. Hope we have another
MAGIC! function soon!
Msg #27289 Dated 12:04:24 12-02-91 27272 <--> 27290
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I haven't let Nathan use Windows yet, although the basic concept is
familiar to him from the Amiga. One thing I'm beginning to wonder
about after looking at a number of Windows programs this past week is
the problem of "Icon Proliferation" and the relative obscurity of a
great many of them. I don't know if some of them would make more or
less sense to Nathan.
On the Amiga, it is difficult to tell if he knows the icons or the
positions that they appear in. He does use them and the "double click"
to menu to his programs.
You just raised a thought provoking issue. Since the icons will
probably be around for some time, maybe we should let the 3 to 5 year
old set DESIGN THEM.
Msg #27290 Dated 12:10:17 12-02-91 27275 <--> 27305
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I hate to keep up the techy chatter, but so far I have found
WordPerfect for Windows "cute." I find WordStar for Windows _awesome_!
Msg #27291 Dated 12:11:42 12-02-91 27273 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: BAD CRC
Sheesh! Let me just get Z-Modem into the system!
Msg #27292 Dated 12:14:06 12-02-91 27274 <--> 27296
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: JAPAN
Only the Tabman can decide the appropriateness or inappropriateness of
his being at Desert Magic.
Msg #27293 Dated 12:16:51 12-02-91 27268 <--> 27444
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Yes, indeed - your memory is excellent - Mounds bars did indeed take up
flying while Tabber was here - guess I should teach them to hold Almond
Joys while they fly? The current rage here at Techy Heaven is malted
milk balls and chocolate covered raisins. On hand at the moment are
slighly less than 4-1/2 pounds of the malted milk balls (I ate a few),
13 pounds of the raisins and, for emergencies, a few remaining Mounds
bars, a carton of Twixt "Cookies 'N Cream," and a couple of cartons of
Dark Chocolate Milky Ways.
Msg #27295 Dated 12:25:27 12-02-91 27286 <--> 27310
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DC
I don't know when Welles shot that particular footage - personally I
would have thought that the latest would have been early '50's, and
that it was probably even earlier.
I really agree with your analysis - "A completely intimidating amount
of energy and concentration. . . A study in great showmanship."
Msg #27296 Dated 15:41:26 12-02-91 27264 <--> 27301
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: JAPAN
A magic march wooden be so bad, huh? Did you decide how much lichen you
want me to bring to SLC. Lemme know before wednesday so I can take a
hike!!
Msg #27298 Dated 18:02:42 12-02-91 27255 <--> 27303
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HOTKEY
I forget too. Probably was the SCRIPT from Burton... I don't go
in... just locks up and leaves an error message... argh.
Msg #27299 Dated 18:02:46 12-02-91 27256 <--> 27337
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
Since it is now the Encyclopedia Biro-tannica of Linking... there
is little to stop... Schwarzman MITE give me his linking ropes.
Wait 'til you see it at SLC... am bringing you 4 tapes from Seminar
comedy challenge...
Msg #27301 Dated 18:02:58 12-02-91 27264 <--> 27304
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: JAPAN
What were the other 12 doing? (16 eating)... argh...
Msg #27302 Dated 18:03:01 12-02-91 27265 <--> 27797
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
What do you know... you forgot Bruce Cervon on your list.
Msg #27303 Dated 18:03:04 12-02-91 27267 <--> 27308
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HOTKEY
God... I am deathly afraid of even looking at an autoexex.bat or
Config.sys file.... last time I did that it took a week to get
the computer to even turn back on!!!!!!!
Msg #27304 Dated 18:03:08 12-02-91 27274 <--> 27313
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: JAPAN
Only if he ain't go no dough...
Msg #27305 Dated 18:03:11 12-02-91 27275 <--> 27789
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
FIRST THINGS FIRST. I IS ONLY GOT 640 K MACHINA... I is only
capable of typing 120 words a minute... and I can hardly remember
where the Mouse is... luckily it is at the end of the cord.
Msg #27306 Dated 18:03:16 12-02-91 27277 <--> 27324
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Is she good looking?
Msg #27307 Dated 18:03:19 12-02-91 27282 <--> 27325
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Only if you leave out the Fuschia wallpaper... well, it is a casino!
Msg #27308 Dated 18:03:22 12-02-91 27283 <--> 27312
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: HOTKEY
I edit that kinda stuff with Norton Commander F4 key... DUH...
Msg #27309 Dated 18:03:25 12-02-91 27284 <--> 27315
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DC
i USE MY NOSE.
Msg #27310 Dated 18:03:28 12-02-91 27286 <--> 27353
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DC
If you missed my earlier message (month or so ago) about the Orsen
Welles film. It came from Himber's widow. She called John Gaughan
and told him she had this film of Welles doing some kind of trick
for her late husband, bandleader/magician Richard Himber. Himber
was a rare genius in magic... look in the 40s and 50s in the Genii
magazines (or find the book: Richard Himber and his Magic, Magico
published it) and you will see ads for AMAZING stuff. He had one
of the brightest people in the history of the art, Persi Diaconis
(now a Prof. at Harvard and a MacArthur Fellowship award recipient)
developing tricks for him... such as the Himber Ring... and Conrad
Haden as well as Merv Taylor making stuff. Himber would come up
with effects and tell the other guys to figure out a method. They
did such things as examinable locking liking rings, coins that
have never been duplicated and many others.
Anyway, Welles did this film for Himber. David got it from John
and they did some digital work to change "dick" to "david" on the
sound track.
.
Copperfield and his aides are so thorough they wanted to know all
they could about that effect -- even called ME to see if I could
recall the "card force" that Himber had used... not being content
to do "just any force"... I could go on, but I think you get the
drift.
.
On his 'FLYING' -- I understand it was in his possession a LONG
TIME and he rehearsed it every day for hours for a very long time
before finally putting it into the show.
.
No question we are seeing not only the best magician of the day,
but one who's PERSONNA crosses many lines... the Teenagers go
crazy for him and the women (at Caesars) in the 40s PLUS were all
agog...
.
The men want to kill him for being so good looking as well.
.
We are seeing what my feeling is the kind of audience acceptance
and adolation that must have been HOUDINI's in his prime!!!
.
It will not be long before people will no longer (and I am talking
lay writers, media and fans) say "who do you think you are,
Houdini?" -- "Copperfield" will soon replace "H"....
Msg #27312 Dated 18:04:13 12-02-91 27255 <--> 27787
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: HOTKEY
You just cn't wait six days dude man... Hey you got the manuscript
for the Maxam Ring Illusion (Winston Freer's clip)? NEED a copy
to look at... help....
Msg #27313 Dated 18:04:17 12-02-91 27264 <--> 27314
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: JAPAN
Where be the Winter Carnivor of Magic?
Msg #27314 Dated 18:04:20 12-02-91 27296 <--> 27321
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JAPAN
We is gots to talk on the phone befo' we go to slc...
Msg #27315 Dated 18:38:13 12-02-91 27229 <--> 27335
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DC
re: 22 pounds of solid silver linking rings. The silver content is
worth around $1500. I'm sure you could have that much silver made into
rings for less than $68,500!
Msg #27317 Dated 20:37:36 12-02-91 26787 <--> 27339
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WINSTON FREER
Winston Freer, I think, had a series in the Genii in the 40's or
50's. You should find reference to him in the Stewart James book
also.
Msg #27318 Dated 20:37:44 12-02-91 27039 <--> 27372
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
When you talk about living bartender magicians you must mention
Bob Sheets, Doc Eason, Scotty York and Jamey Swiss. They all tend
bar and do magic. Mullica and Cros do acts behind a bar. I don't
think they pour drinks. It's a matter of venue vs occupation.
Msg #27319 Dated 20:37:52 12-02-91 27056 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: FICTION
Murray's books are good mysteries and the magic is accurate - all
real effects. Never been influenced by a magic character.
Understand that Jeff McBride's hero was the magicain in the
Deptford Trilogy by Robertson Davies. The three books are Fifth
Business, The Manticore and The World of Wonder; must reading for
any magician.
Msg #27321 Dated 20:38:11 12-02-91 27121 <--> 27420
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Edinburgh Scotland has a annual festival of the performing arts
with a section called "The Fringe" displaying strange
and unusual acts. The original Cooke and Moore was "_Beyond_ the
Fringe". Way out!
Msg #27322 Dated 20:38:19 12-02-91 27183 <--> 27340
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
Some years ago I was on a local show with Oprah Winfree - before
she went to Chicago and national fame. I was scheduled for 1/2 an
hour. Willard Scott was to do the first half an hour, but was
going so well that they extended him 15 min. Then they told me to
do 15 min. I had to rethink the 1/2 hr to 15 minutes - while they
were doing commercials. I've been told by viewers that the
nervousness didn't show. It was a shocking experience.
Msg #27324 Dated 20:50:31 12-02-91 27306 <--> 27333
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
RE: "Is she good looking?" - Uh, Biro-san, I think you missed the
point of telling Nagel that you know a terrific, brilliant consultant
that can help with the migration to DOS machines -- but if I gotta wear
drag to get the job, well, so be it!
Msg #27325 Dated 20:52:11 12-02-91 27307 <--> 27327
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Well, there was a couch backed by a wall of mirrors and the laptop
computer was on a table on the right as you entered the room. The back
of the computer was to the door. OK?
Msg #27327 Dated 20:58:36 12-02-91 27279 <--> 27403
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
I finally found the name of the poem and the name of the author. It is
"HIGH FLIGHT" by John Gillespie Magee, Jr. He was a 19-year old
American volunteer in the Royal Canadian Air Force and was killed in
action on December 11, 1941. The first line of the poem is "Oh, I have
slipped the surly bonds of Earth."
Does ANYONE have a copy of this poem? Could you post it as a message?
Msg #27330 Dated 0:21:23 12-03-91 27233 <--> 27349
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Will do ! It's always the Sunday after Thanksgiving. TV just doesn't
do it justice. It's really a hoot - the only hazard of the parade is
that some fool distributes corn torillas to the crowd and they throw
them at the marchers. We (the unknown shoppers) wear paper bags over
our heads so we have some protection to head shots, but some of those
leg hits can sting (I normally wear shorts, red tennis shoes, a
tuxedo tee-shirt, and top hat - with a large stuffed rabbit in the ca
rt - hence the unknown magician). Last year I had a sign on the side
of the cart that said Dr. Bizarre's Magic Hare Restorer !
Msg #27331 Dated 0:21:30 12-03-91 27225 <--> 27332
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I agree Cantor's wasn't conducive to interaction. I was all set to
do some mental stuff (using the tips you gave) but it just didn't
feel right. I would be interested in getting your wife's reaction to
the Copperfield show, particuliarly which effects did she clearly see
through and which did she seem fooled by. Since I see so much magic
its hard to know what a non-magician thinks is transparent versus
mysterious. See what you can get out of her - it would be interesting
.
Was nice to meet you and I'm sure we'll have future chances as well.
Msg #27332 Dated 0:21:38 12-03-91 27228 <--> 27439
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
You should take Pete's advice the DMS is a super time. Lot's to do
and plenty of time to hang.
Msg #27333 Dated 0:21:40 12-03-91 27277 <--> 27334
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Nice of you to talk about me that way, i.e. brilliant consultant, I
generally help with migrations from Canada to Mexico, but can do
DOS if I have to.
Msg #27334 Dated 0:21:43 12-03-91 27324 <--> 27342
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Forget my last msg re: brilliant consultant - I don't cross dress
for any reason, can't stand the draft !
Msg #27335 Dated 0:21:45 12-03-91 27315 <--> 27338
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DC
My calculation comes out to $ 1408 ( $ 4.00 x 16 x 22 ) for just the
silver - how much it costs to have them made into rings I couldn't
guess.
Msg #27336 Dated 0:21:49 12-03-91 27287 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: YOU
Yea Bro to bad you had to split early - hopefully some luminary will
show up so we can have an excuse for another luncheon.
Msg #27337 Dated 0:21:32 12-03-91 27299 <--> 27344
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
If you're gonna talk about Linking Ropes, be sure to mention E.J. Moore
(the inventor) and Peter Warlock (Red & White Ropes).
Msg #27338 Dated 0:43:53 12-03-91 27315 <--> 27409
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DC
I didn't know what silver was worth...I was going about $400 an
ounce for gold and dropped it a tad... not a big enuf tad?
Msg #27339 Dated 0:43:57 12-03-91 27317 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WINSTON FREER
Thanks... found the item i was looking for... in an old genii
Msg #27340 Dated 0:44:00 12-03-91 27322 <--> 27348
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
I was fiddling around in a TV studio one time, just leaning against
a far wall with the props about 30 feet away on a chair... and
all of a sudden the Floor Man yells "FIVE SECONDS" and I am the
opening shot... LIVE SHOW... I think I made it...
Msg #27342 Dated 0:44:18 12-03-91 27324 <--> 27350
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Now do you think I can get a job on the Supremo Court?
Msg #27344 Dated 0:44:37 12-03-91 27337 <--> 27347
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
Gotcha... E.J. Moore's Instanto was the cut version... what did
he call the linking? It had some tricky mix of words. Understand
"Fetlock" nicked it from E.J....
.
Best handling I have seen is the Howie Schwarzman version. I know
there is an ungaffed handling somewhere in my lecture note piles
from someone... sorta weird knotting???? Argh...
.
Got origin of rings to Spain now... before the Japanese book...
Klingsor was in on recreation of the show, described by Cardano.
.
You know of a source for the English ed of de subtilitate?
Msg #27346 Dated 0:46:52 12-03-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: EYES
Old joke. Don't get your eyes checked. Try stripes this time,t hey are
in.... argh... gnite....
Msg #27347 Dated 0:46:57 12-03-91 27344 <--> 27375
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
One ungaffed version of the Linking Ropes can be found in the Jean
Merlin rope series. (Third series, if memory serves.)
Msg #27348 Dated 0:47:43 12-03-91 27340 <--> 27376
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
The most delicate timing circumstance I've ever had to deal with was
when I did Dick Clark's CBS variety series, which for the first three
shows was broadcast live in primetime. It was the very first show of
the series, and they had asked me to bring my routine in at under four
minutes. I had hit 3:45 consistently during rehearsals, and they were
very happy. Then, less than two minutes before I walked on, word came
down from the booth that the show was running fifteen seconds over, and
could I make up the time.
Msg #27349 Dated 0:51:36 12-03-91 27330 <--> 27411
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Sounds like maybe I should wear a rabbit costume and ride in the cart!
Beats walking the whole parade route. I could have a supply of corn
tortillas and fling 'em back.
Msg #27350 Dated 0:53:47 12-03-91 27334 <--> 27351
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Actually, I'd heard that there were guys who cross-dressed to AVOID the
draft! I do recall wearing a purple miniskirt one cold Halloween and
noticing the effect you described. I guess one is more aware of it if
it is not part of one's routine.
Msg #27351 Dated 0:56:45 12-03-91 27342 <--> 27373
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
RE: "Now do you think I can get a job on the Supremo Court?" Sure!
Remember - justice is blind!
Msg #27353 Dated 1:02:47 12-03-91 27310 <--> 27378
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DC
The Himber book is long out of print, I believe. Is this the case as
you understand it?
As to Copperfied replacing Houdini in the popular lexicon... I have my
doubts -- and they have more to do with the difference in the eras than
with the two men.
Msg #27354 Dated 5:46:20 12-03-91 -> 27379
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 4 OF CLUBS
Interesting story about finding a "merely thought of" card. Richard
Hatch, just after I first meet him, fooled the heck out of me with such
a routine. We were talking about killer vs. funny tricks, when he
showed me one that just floored me. He removed a card from a deck of
cards and asked me to name any card. Well, I said the 4 of clubs. He
turned it around and, sure enough, the 4 of clubs. I was floored. At
first he wouldn't tell me how he did it. After a couple of hours he
finally told me. He had originally wanted to show me the old gag where
you remove a card from the deck, have someone name a card, say "Right",
and place the card back in the deck without showing it. But in this
case he removed the 4 of clubs because he'd read somewhere that
magicians often name that card. Which I did!
Charlie
Msg #27355 Dated 5:46:53 12-03-91 -> 27380
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUGARD'S MAGIC MONTHLY
Hey, I see you found the Hugard Monthly article that Richard had told
me about. Since you hadn't asked for any more information, I figured
you already knew about it.
Charlie
Msg #27356 Dated 5:47:20 12-03-91 -> 27381
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: STRIPPERS
Over the Thanksgiving holiday, I read an old K. Fox column which said
you know some pretty good tricks with strippers of the non-card type!
Care to elaborate.
Charlie
Msg #27357 Dated 5:47:39 12-03-91 -> 27460
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
Frank, I'm interested in the reference to the negative card. What is
it? Is it the see through card that you can see through from one side
but shows a card when looked through the other way. Thanks for any
information.
Charlie
Msg #27358 Dated 5:48:41 12-03-91 -> 27397
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PUT DOWNS
Regarding Harry Allen's one-liners: I like Harry, seems like a nice
enough guy. BUT, I don't care for his style of putting people down.
When he last lectured here in Houston, he used me in one trick and cut
me down several times. One time he really pissed me off, and I felt
like walking off the stage, but didn't want to make a big deal of it.
I like to feel I can take a joke, but this was overboard. And I
wasn't the only one, he did this to almost everyone he used. This is
just the kind of image Magic doesn't need. Just my opinion.
Charlie
Msg #27359 Dated 7:14:27 12-03-91 -> 27366
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Somewhere in my vast unorganized files reside copies of two years
of S.S.S. publications. If I should happen to come across the two
booklets, I will keep you in mind....maybe.
Msg #27360 Dated 7:14:38 12-03-91 -> 27365
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Thx for the Crandall mss. Interesting to read it and am stuck by the
fact that the patter sounds very commonplace...if one had not seen
and heard Crandall one could not imagine how the patter would play
well at all. His appearance, tone, and attitude had SO MUCH to do
with it all.
Msg #27365 Dated 7:16:00 12-03-91 -> 27386
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM
I know there are planes that will fly themselves. The tall dude type
pilot image doesn't do much for me. In fact, I would never want to
fly on any planes piloted by some of the airline pilots I know.
Msg #27366 Dated 7:16:10 12-03-91 -> 27368
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
If you 25 people put out some kind of publication, then you might
qualify as a mini-convention.
Msg #27368 Dated 7:16:28 12-03-91 -> 27370
From: BILL WELLS
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Thanks Geno...we always welcome any information on potential sites.
The committee gets most of the meeting planner publications and we
usually know about new facilities that become available but there is
always the chance of one being build or renovated that we don't find
out about. Suitable western sites seem particularly difficult to
locate.
Msg #27369 Dated 7:16:45 12-03-91 -> 27416
From: BILL WELLS
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Sorry Geno, but I don't have any other contacts to offer with regard
to obtaining Del Ray tapes. I had not heard of the Ken Norris tape
until it was mentioned here. That would probably be the tape to get
since I would expect it was shot by a professional cameraman with a
good camera. I would assume it was also shot with Del's approval.
The tapes I know of are strictly underground type material and would
date back to the mid '80s. Their owners are extremely tight with
them and copies have not been released to anyone insofar as I know.
Msg #27370 Dated 7:17:06 12-03-91 -> 27382
From: BILL WELLS
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Geno, I realize that Las Vegas is free territory. However, I would
never support taking the IBM there out of respect to Joe anymore than
I would support holding the IBM convention in Colon or the Catskills.
The country is big enough and there are enough available sites in
other locations so that we don't have to go head-to-head with those
who hold annual conventions in the same established market areas each
year. I certainly agree with you regarding the amenities offered to
magicians in Vegas. I have negotiated with the hotels for Joe on a
number of instances. I would also add that every city seems to have
its own particularly customs of negotiation tactics, and Vegas is
CERTAINLY no exception.
Msg #27372 Dated 7:18:28 12-03-91 27039 <--> 27461
From: BILL WELLS
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
While Bob Sheets is not unemployed and is doing quite well with
magic, he is not doing bar magic on a regular basis. He is also one
of the best bar magicians in the country and knows most of the other
bar magicians as well. He would certainly be one to talk to.
Msg #27373 Dated 7:18:40 12-03-91 27172 <--> 27374
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
I dunno...sounds like a Country Gentleman type image to me. Maybe
sort of a rural yuppie. Next thing you will have one of those red
jackets and a hard black hat and be raising fox hounds.
Hey man...call in when you can...nobody will forget you, your essence
is part of the ether here.
Msg #27374 Dated 7:18:55 12-03-91 27244 <--> 27387
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Nagel's board didn't order him to convert to IBM, he proposed it to
them himself and they accepted his proposal. He was finding it too
difficult to find dealers with equipment and software for MACs and
also needed to be compatable with member's computers in his
association. He ain't going coo coo with the new computers...I AM!
He could buy them cheaper here and I picked up 4 systems for him and
have been setting up windows and the application programs for him the
last couple of weeks. Now I got to box it and ship it to him, before
SLC if possible. I am sick of monitors all over the house.
Msg #27375 Dated 8:44:22 12-03-91 27347 <--> 27453
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
Well look see. Thanks... much...
Msg #27376 Dated 8:44:25 12-03-91 27348 <--> 27410
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
Here's a non important trivia quiz. What trick did I do on that
TV show? (It was in San Francsico. A Westinghouse station, show
called "Ron Mager's Electric Impressions"....
.
When you here the answer you will say, "What Biro did...........!"
(That is a MAJOR CLUE!)
Msg #27378 Dated 8:44:36 12-03-91 27353 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DC
Not sure about the Himber book. Think you might try writing Magico
Magazine in N.Y.
Msg #27379 Dated 8:44:40 12-03-91 27354 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: 4 OF CLUBS
I use that when I think it will happen. No reason. One night I
was chatting with a number of people that had come over to play
poker. One guy put a card on the table... same result and IT WAS
THE 4 OF CLUBS.
.
this guy was not a magician at all. His brother was a blackjack
dealer in Reno.
Msg #27380 Dated 8:44:48 12-03-91 27355 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: HUGARD'S MAGIC MONTHLY
I didn't already KNOW ABOUT IT... but I did look and find. Was
great stuff! Any more historic stuff on the Linking Rings you know
about? In your book sales inventory, any copies of de Subtilitate?
By Cardano? Not the 1550 ed. but the 1933... also what historic
reprints are in your inventories? Disc. Witchcraft, etc.
Msg #27381 Dated 8:44:55 12-03-91 27356 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: STRIPPERS
No...no idea, Fox would put stuff in for a laff "just to make
it interesting column"... sorry...
Msg #27382 Dated 8:44:59 12-03-91 27359 <--> 27393
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
What are S.S.S. publications? And you better keep me in mind! Or I
will tell.
.
OK, who's line was "I will tell"?
.
See later message. You get your prize in SLC.
Msg #27386 Dated 8:45:19 12-03-91 27365 <--> 27394
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
L1011's land themselves in LAX. Thank god. I know the Pilot you
(and I) hope we never have at the wheel! (Or is it stick?)
Msg #27387 Dated 8:45:23 12-03-91 27373 <--> 27388
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Good thing you didn't call TAbman a "Gentleman Farmer"... definition
of, is... "One who is neither".
Msg #27388 Dated 8:45:27 12-03-91 27374 <--> 27391
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
God... a Wells LAN.... I don't believe it.
.
Hmmm different story. Nage told me he asked for money to upgrade
his Mac's and the one big guy said "NO... IT IS A WASTE... TOSS
THEM OUT AND GET IBM COMPATIBLES"... Thass what he said...
Msg #27391 Dated 10:31:57 12-03-91 27373 <--> 27442
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Is a rural yuppie an aggie or does texas a&m have a lock on the
word?
Msg #27393 Dated 12:40:50 12-03-91 27366 <--> 27417
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Well, we wrote a lot of reviews and comments as a result of the MAGIC!
to Copperfield session - I assume those are publications. Do we qualify
as a convention?
Msg #27394 Dated 12:43:22 12-03-91 27365 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IBM
The father of one of the people who works with me is a retired airline
pilot. In his time, he was the shortest commercial airline pilot in
history (I think his record has now been eclipsed by one guy). The
only airline that would hire him was JAL (Japan). Not that he couldn't
handle the planes, just that the other airlines felt he didn't have the
"image." (This was prior to today's lawsuit happy climate). Since the
other pilots always poked fun at him, he took to carrying a huge red
velvet pillow with gold tassles with him.
Msg #27397 Dated 13:53:18 12-03-91 27358 <--> 27412
From: STAN LAKE
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: PUT DOWNS
I'm sure your opinion of Harry Allen's acerbic humor is shared by many
other people. I wonder how he can continue to get bookings when he
treats his audience like that? Something like the Don Rickles of
magic. I would rather lift people up with entertainment than grind
them into the ground with it. Since I have his address I'm going to
write old Harry a letter. I'll let you know if I get a response.
Msg #27403 Dated 16:50:03 12-03-91 27327 <--> 27413
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Frogs are tenacious!
HIGH FLIGHT
John Gillespie Magee, Jr.
Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds -- and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of -- wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,
Where never lark, or even eagle, flew;
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
Msg #27404 Dated 17:36:55 12-03-91 -> 27406
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: DC SHOW REVIEW
Some brief excerpts from today's DAILY VARIETY review of David
Copperfield's Wiltern show:
"David Copperfield is a consummate showman and magician, and his
new show, currently on a national tour, reveals him at the height
of his powers."
"Each (illusion) is presented in the context of musical and
choreographic sketches that have both narrative and thematic
structure."
"The filmed highlight, however, is a clip of a young Orson Welles
performing interactive magic with the audience."
The rest of the review fills out to be an unqualified rave.
Msg #27406 Dated 17:55:20 12-03-91 27404 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: DC SHOW REVIEW
Thanks for the excerpts from today's Daily Variety. It sounds like
they liked the show!
Msg #27409 Dated 18:35:01 12-03-91 27338 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DC
No your tad wasn't quite large enough. The highest silver has ever
gotten was in the neighborhood of $ 64 / oz when the Hunt bros were
active. I have a bunch at $ 16/oz - makes great paperweights !
Msg #27410 Dated 18:35:04 12-03-91 27376 <--> 27422
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
Zombie ball ! What do I win ?
Msg #27411 Dated 18:35:06 12-03-91 27349 <--> 27424
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Not a bad idea, we could take turns pushing. Last year I had one of
little fat dummies that drops its pants when you squeeze the air
bulb. One of the routines we do is "Present Carts". We split into two
groups (left and right side of street) and everone turns their cart
to face the crowd, on command we tip them back onto their back wheels
- at which point I hit the bulb and the little guy on the front of
the cart would drop his pants and moon the crowd. Cracked everyone up
Msg #27412 Dated 18:35:12 12-03-91 27397 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: PUT DOWNS
It's the same kind of attitude that comedy club audiences seem to
EXPECT - most comedy interface with the audience is of a put-down
nature.
Msg #27413 Dated 18:35:15 12-03-91 27403 <--> 27421
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Nice poem, very apropos. I got to thinking about your comment on the
film segue into the flying and I definitely agree that there could
have been some more uplifting (no pun intended) clips than the ones
shown.
.
A clip on the high-tech light weight bicycle plane that made it
across the English Channel would be good. A reference to Michael
Angelos drawings of flying machines would have fit. Something to add
a bit more class to a class act.
Msg #27414 Dated 18:47:44 12-03-91
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FICTION
Thanks to you and Frank Zak for illuminating me on the
Murray books. I'll have to read one, at least. I was
(am) a fan of Mike Skinner from his Magic Castle days,
and am pleased he has decided to release some of his
material in a book through L&L. As to FIFTH BUSINESS,
I read it last year and recall being surprised that the
narrator mentioned real magicians (such as Robert-
Houdin) and then brought on a fictional (?) character
named Willard the Wizard who was a child abuser
("Willard had two weaknesses -- boys and morphia"). I
felt Davies might have been a bit more careful in
inventing the name.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #27415 Dated 18:50:18 12-03-91 -> 27427
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: INTERNET
David,
Some time ago we were discussing Internet. I've just
uploaded a file called internet.zip that is a concise
intro to this network.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #27416 Dated 19:09:46 12-03-91 27369 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: FROGS IN MAGIC
Thanks very much Bill...I will try Ken....
Msg #27417 Dated 19:09:51 12-03-91 27370 <--> 27423
From: GENO MUNARI
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
I agree with you wholeheartedly.....Joe does a terrific job in Las Ve
gas. I guess since the S.A.M. was here, I did'nt really give it a sec
ond thought about any competiton to the D.M.S., I guess I just
wanted a magic convention so I could watch magicians......
Then country is big, and there are plenty of locations probably
more suitable for the I.B.M., and certainly as accommodating....
Thanks again for your information.
Msg #27420 Dated 20:11:33 12-03-91 27121 <--> 27445
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
Found the 33 1/3 record of Beyond the Fringe. The cast was Alan
Bennett, Peter Cook, Jonathan Miller and Dudley Moore. The show
was in the Edingurgh Festival '60. Played in London and after
road shows opened on Broadway Oct. 27, 1962.
.
Where are they now?
I have no idea of Alan Bennett. Dudley Moore we know of, of
course. Peter Cook was on TV for a while in a sitcom - as a
butler I think. He made a satirical version of Faust for the
movies. I think it was called Bedazzled. Dudley Moore was in this
also. Jonathan Miller returned to doctoring - at least to publish
a book on the body. He also has directed for the Metropolitan
Opera.
.
Much of the above is only from memoryl; so if anyone wants to
correct or expand they will be welcome. No hard feelings about
bad memory.
Msg #27421 Dated 20:11:55 12-03-91 27327 <--> 27425
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Here is the poem and material.
HIGH FLIGHT
.
Written by a 19-year-old American volunteer with the Royal
Canadian Air Force, who was killed in action December 11, 1941.
.
Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,
Where never lark, or even eagle, flew;
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
.
John Gillespie Magee, Jr.
.
I understand Ronald Regan used a quote from this, to make it
famous. It seems to be a sonnet-not Shakesperean. It has 14 lines
and the first eight fit the form. The last six are not
Shakespearean. I realize this is more than one want's to know. Oh
well!
Msg #27422 Dated 20:12:27 12-03-91 27376 <--> 27433
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
Biro performed Zombie. What's the prize?
Msg #27423 Dated 20:12:32 12-03-91 27382 <--> 27428
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
"I will tell" sounds like Al Koran. Or was that "I'll do it now"?
Msg #27424 Dated 20:45:44 12-03-91 27411 <--> 27434
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Someday I've gotta go to that Parade! Either as a spectator or as a
participant - it sounds like great fun no matter which.
Msg #27425 Dated 20:47:52 12-03-91 27413 <--> 27426
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
My folks discussed the idea of the Michael Angelo drawings too. The
problem there (and somewhat with the current clip) is the introduction
of the notion of a "flying machine." There really should be no
connection with machines/devices, in my opinion. Maybe Icarus, who
dreamed of flight, even though he used wings. Maybe something like a
film taken from the nose of a glider.
Msg #27426 Dated 20:51:59 12-03-91 27421 <--> 27431
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
THANKS, CY! Since no-one had responded yet, I took a portable copying
machine down to the bookstore (really!) and got a copy. Guess I should
have had more faith in the MAGIC! members!
Msg #27427 Dated 20:53:37 12-03-91 27415 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: INTERNET
Great - THANKS! I'll try to take a look at the file tonight. Really
appreciate it. Still, I understand that the connection on our end may
be complex.
Msg #27428 Dated 20:58:51 12-03-91 27382 <--> 27436
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
"I will tell" comes from an ancient poem/song called "Echod Me
Yodayach." It is somewhat of a translation of the second line, "Echod
Ani Yodeyach" ("One - I will tell"). I don't know the exact age of the
song, but I would suspect around the 14th Century.
Msg #27431 Dated 22:39:58 12-03-91 27403 <--> 27432
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Did you pay your use fee to the writer?
Msg #27432 Dated 22:40:01 12-03-91 27403 <--> 27440
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Seriously tho... send it in writing to DAvid. You need his address?
Let me know...
Msg #27433 Dated 22:40:05 12-03-91 27410 <--> 27435
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
YOU WIN>>> you will get it in the mail. (muy lecture notes senor).
Msg #27434 Dated 22:40:07 12-03-91 27411 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ADAMMS FAMILY ON TV
Sounds like a class act dude...
Msg #27435 Dated 22:40:10 12-03-91 27422 <--> 27536
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
Prize is I will not do it anymore!
Msg #27436 Dated 22:40:13 12-03-91 27423 <--> 27437
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Dunno.. but who's catch line was "Just Like That!"
Msg #27437 Dated 22:40:15 12-03-91 27428 <--> 27449
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
My reference was to Baby Snooks' "I will tell".... you all lose.
.
Worst losers are the folks that spell Lose - Loose. Tsk.
Msg #27439 Dated 23:09:56 12-03-91 27228 <--> 27446
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Pete,
Would love to come to the Desert Magic Seminar. How do I get
info on it?
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27440 Dated 23:10:01 12-03-91 27236 <--> 27451
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
David,
While I agree wholeheartedly with your review, I am reluctant to
heap mounds of praise on anyone without pointing out some of the
problems with the show. It was a FANTASTIC show, but there were
problems. More than anything, I was hoping to get into a
discussion as to whether or not to point out those problems.
I've done a fair amount of theatre, and find that the matinees
almost always have an older crowd. When I asked a friend of mine
(who happened to be a senior citizen) about this, she told me
that she doesn't see well at night anymore, and wants to drive
during the day to see a show. That might explain the age of the
average theatre goer.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27441 Dated 23:10:09 12-03-91 27262 <--> 28884
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Bill,
I have a friend of mine, who is staying with me, who tells me
that there is evidence that Jesus was Irish.
He said; "...he was 32 years old, out of work, living at home and
thought his mother was a virgin."
I suppose that I should point out that the teller of that joke is
a brother in the Catholic church.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27442 Dated 23:10:15 12-03-91 27277 <--> 27443
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
David,
That recomendation is very kind of you, but you haven't even seen
my programming yet.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27443 Dated 23:10:20 12-03-91 27244 <--> 27448
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Pete,
Ask Nagel if he wants to sell some Macs cheap.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27444 Dated 23:10:25 12-03-91 27293 <--> 27469
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
David,
If you ever invite me over, HIDE THE MALTED MILK BALLS!!!!!!!!
I can sit down and eat a whole half-gallon container of those
suckers.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27445 Dated 23:10:30 12-03-91 27321 <--> 27452
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: JAPAN
Cy,
It is way out, but FUNNY! I truly enjoyed "Beyond the Fringe."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27446 Dated 23:10:34 12-03-91 27331 <--> 27447
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Jerry,
I certainly hope we have future chances to meet. My wife was
less impressed with the woman through the magician illusion than
I was. I was amazed at how smoothly that trick was done. She
wasn't impressed with the spinning head, or the David disappears
from stage, and is found on a motorcycle in the audience trick.
(Sounds like an old "Get Smart" Ah, the old David disappears
from stage, and is found on a motorcycle in the audience trick.
Third time I've fallen for it this month.)
She very much liked the flying. She has done theatre, and
thought that the movements were very similar to a theatre's
version of flying. But could find no means of support. Overall,
every person in my group (there were 11) was blown away by the
show. They've all been pestering me with "How did he do that?
How did he do that?" I've just given them Liberace's standard
reply: "Very well."
As to the mental stuff, I wasn't disappointed. You were right.
If you had tried something like that in the setting we were in,
it would have seemed contrived. I always prefer being prepared
for something that doesn't happen than not being prepared for
something that does.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27447 Dated 23:10:45 12-03-91 27332 <--> 27475
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Jerry,
If at all possible, I will indeed go to the DMS.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27448 Dated 23:10:49 12-03-91 27334 <--> 27468
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Jerry,
During the late 60s and early 70s a lot of guys did cross-dress
because they couldn't stand the draft.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27449 Dated 23:10:54 12-03-91 27366 <--> 27450
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Bill,
What do you mean "if?" You have read our publication. Several
reviews, and some discussion.
Geez.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27450 Dated 23:10:59 12-03-91 27393 <--> 27457
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
David,
Seeing that you wrote the essence of two of my messages means
that I either need to log-on more often, or change my brand of
humor. I think I'm too old to change.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27451 Dated 23:11:04 12-03-91 27403 <--> 27459
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
David,
Have you ever read any of Richard Bach's flying articles? The
Magee piece reminds me a lot of Bach.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27452 Dated 23:11:08 12-03-91 27420 <--> 27478
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: JAPAN
Cy,
Thanks for the info. It might be interesting to look up other
work by said players.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #27453 Dated 23:39:29 12-03-91 27344 <--> 27481
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
I believe the Moore version was marketed as LinKing Ropes -- an old
catalog might be helpful here. Warlock's version, though it used the
same gaff, was not really nicked; rather than a routine, it was a
single penetration -- linked to unlinked -- with a very specific and
original handling.
Msg #27456 Dated 0:52:13 12-04-91 -> 27482
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: ALL
Re: CERVON
Does anyone have any idea how hard Bruce Cervon's "Free-Turn Pass" is
to learn and perfect?
Considering of course it does help to have book..
Msg #27457 Dated 1:12:49 12-04-91 27428 <--> 27465
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Forgive me, but if memory serves it's pronounced "yodeya."
Manishtanah halailah hazeh mikol haleilot?
Msg #27458 Dated 1:13:57 12-04-91 -> 27471
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: AWARDS
For those who are interested in such things, the finals of the Comedy
Magic contest were held at Merlin McFly's in Santa Monica on Tuesday
evening. The four performers, in order of appearance (determined by
random lot) were Scott Cervine, Mac King, Tom Ogden and Chris
Broughton.
The voting was done by five judges plus the audience, whose ballots
were accorded something like 20% of the vote. The winner was Tom Ogden.
The Tenkai Prize Party was just held in Tokyo. This year's recipient is
Hideo Kato. (He's a member of the Tenyo creative staff.) Guest
performer at the event was Tommy Wonder.
The Masao Atsukawa Creativity Prize Party was also held last weekend.
It went to a young magician from Osaka named Ichiba (I don't know his
given name). Guest performer at the event was Chris Kenner.
Msg #27459 Dated 1:19:36 12-04-91 27431 <--> 27462
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Writer is croaked - killed in action in WW-II ("The Big One"). Poem
has been anthologized a million times, reprinted, you name it.
Msg #27460 Dated 1:19:24 12-04-91 27357 <-
From: FRANK ZAK
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
Charlie, the negative card is a reversal of a playing card. White pips
with a black surface. I took playing cards and photographed them to
size. I then cut the negatives and pasted them onto a blank card. From
there I started creating different effects for the cards.
Frank
Msg #27461 Dated 1:23:35 12-04-91 27372 <--> 27530
From: FRANK ZAK
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
Bill, I appreciate the help. If you know how I can get in touch with
Bob please let me know. Thanx.
Frank
Msg #27462 Dated 1:21:51 12-04-91 27432 <--> 27463
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
RE: "Seriously tho... send it [the poem] in writing to David. You need
his address? Let me know..."
1) Which address, Pete? The L.A. one? I got. You got some more of
'em, please send private.
2) To the best of my knowledge, David already has the poem, the
reviews, etc.
Msg #27463 Dated 1:25:45 12-04-91 27440 <--> 27464
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
As a general rule, discussions of problems are best done directly with
the artist. The analysis of the older audience at a matinee makes a
LOT of sense! Especially on a holiday weekend.
Msg #27464 Dated 1:28:07 12-04-91 27451 <--> 27476
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
I'm not familiar with Richard Bach's articles. I'd be interested in
seeing some if you could point me in the right direction. Thanks.
Msg #27465 Dated 1:29:43 12-04-91 27437 <--> 27466
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Ah! Baby Snooks! But I thought someone did write that! Either way,
Baby Snooks stole the line! Told you - about 14th Century. It is a
key line in a song.
Msg #27466 Dated 1:31:38 12-04-91 27450 <--> 27467
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
It has been said that great minds think alike. Why we might think
alike - I have no idea.
Msg #27467 Dated 1:32:23 12-04-91 27457 <--> 27473
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
You got it, bro. Correct reference. Still, unlike Japanese, there is
no standard spelling in English. I generally put a Southern spin on my
spelling.
Msg #27468 Dated 1:37:31 12-04-91 27442 <--> 27477
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
SHEESH! You are the THIRD PERSON who has tried to snatch the Nagel job
from me!
Msg #27469 Dated 1:39:02 12-04-91 27444 <--> 27487
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
In the last few years I've been drifting through the candy spectrum (as
you could see from my list, which was, by the way, REAL). But in
former times I was basically an M&M Plain freak. While I was writing
my dissertation I was practicing a behavioral approach - type a line,
eat an M&M - for incentive to finish. I averaged 1-1/2 pounds of M&M's
per day.
Msg #27471 Dated 1:45:08 12-04-91 27458 <--> 27490
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: AWARDS
Max -
Thank you for the information you posted. I very much appreciate your
taking the time and effort to do it.
Msg #27473 Dated 2:03:03 12-04-91 27467 <--> 27483
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
I just looked it up - your "a" is closer than my "ach."
Msg #27475 Dated 9:50:39 12-04-91 27439 <--> 27479
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Tha major ads broke in Genii and Magic "The Independent Magazine"
this month. If you don't got just send a request for info. to
Joe Stevens in Wichita... for a reservation form. Need mo? Lemme no.
Msg #27476 Dated 9:50:44 12-04-91 27440 <--> 27484
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Hey dis be an open forum... what do you see as the problems?
Inquiring Minds Wanna no.
Msg #27477 Dated 9:50:48 12-04-91 27443 <--> 27590
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
Will see him this weekend in Salty Lake Sity.
Msg #27478 Dated 9:50:51 12-04-91 27445 <--> 27595
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: JAPAN
One of the funniest entrances in the history of show business (at
least the history of shows I have seen!) was the act two opening
of "Behind the Fridge" -- the 2 man show starring Peter Cook and
Dudley Moore.
.
Curtain opens and Peter Cook stands alone. He natters on (I saw
the show in London...) for awhile, suddenly looks to either side
of him and says, "Hmmm... you probably wonder where Dudley is?"
.
Just then, right alongside him a TRAP DOOR flies open and up
shooting out of the "cellar" comes Dudley. He goes up about four
feet above the floor (You though Copperfield was the first to fly
onstage) the TRAP DOOR closes and Dud lands alongside Peter and
quietly says, "Here I am".
.
I asked Dudley if the trap happened to be there and they "just took
advantage of it" and he say... "No, Bro... we wrote the show that
way and had to build the trap everywhere we worked it!"
.
Wonder if any FOLLOWING magicians took advantage of it?
Msg #27479 Dated 9:51:11 12-04-91 27446 <--> 27480
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I was once asked to "do a little something" at the end of the
Motorsports Press Assn., awards banquet some years ago, in San
Francisco. Whew!
.
Anyway... I though, mmmm... I could do the very funny Prof. Cheer
Rope routine. This involves having 100-feet of rope stuffed under
your clothing, one end at the sleeve and one down your leg and
with a special hookup so at the finale it pulls out your undershorts.
.
So I arrive all loaded... sit through all the speeches. It is hot
and crowded. By now the rope is soaking wet!!!
.
Final award is given... MC says, "Well, we had arranged for some
entertainment tonight, but it is running late... so I am sure our
magical member, Pete Biro, will be glad to wait 'til our next
meeting!"
.
No, I wasn't going to wait 'til the next meeting with rope up my...
so I smiled, waved and went to the john... funny sight me in there
pulling 100 feet of rope out my pants leg in a crowded mens room
in San Francisco... so weird I didn't get any offers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #27480 Dated 9:51:32 12-04-91 27447 <--> 27488
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
From your house it's a 4 hour drive, stop at the In and Out Burger
just before Barstow for a quick break and some grub.
Msg #27481 Dated 9:51:36 12-04-91 27453 <--> 27502
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PK LECTURE
Thanks... I looked into the olde wooden file cabinet in the corner
and found TWO, count 'em TWO sets of instructions for, yes the
LinKing Ropes. Will look for the Peter Fetlock version.
.
Annnndddddd.... you brought it up.... do you know any more about
the Orsen Welles linking of finger rings????
.
James Hamilton has a letter from C.L. Soo to some guy giving him
permission to do the Linking Rings... cool, aye?
.
Do you know who owns the copyrights to the Harry Stanly Unique Magic
line these days? I think it is Ron MacMillan... ??
Do you have the IBSN (?) number for your Encyclopedia? I want to
hit my book store to order a copy?
Msg #27482 Dated 9:51:51 12-04-91 27456 <--> 27547
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: CERVON
If that is the one in his latest book... Uh, I did it fairly
quickly, but my main comment was (to myself) BOY I WOULD LIKE TO
SEE CERVON DO THIS.... I DON'T SEE HOW IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT
ANYBODY SEEING A LOT...
.
Of course then you use the Gambler's Method. "Don't do it when
anyone is looking!"
.
Frankly, I think the Hugard-Braue "Invisible Pass" is not only
better, but much easier to do. Or a jog shuffle. Or use a short
card. Or use (like I do) the Koornwinder control. Or a crimp. Or
a double under cut. Or if you just want to learn it go ahead, but
buy the book. (Not beinf facitious here... just tellin' it like
it is (from my viewpoint)...
Msg #27483 Dated 9:52:05 12-04-91 27457 <--> 27486
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
That's what I was going to say.
Msg #27484 Dated 9:52:08 12-04-91 27459 <--> 27485
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
I thought it already had a name. Well, how about "My Pome"?
Msg #27485 Dated 9:52:11 12-04-91 27462 <--> 27492
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Yep his LA PO box... or the Fan Club address (mite be the same).
Thassall I is got. Fastest way to get messages to him is the EMAIL
on CIS to Gary Oulette. They talk alla time.
Msg #27486 Dated 9:52:16 12-04-91 27465 <--> 27489
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
I was born a bit after the 14th Century. But I have traced the
Linking Rings to a performance in Belgium in the 16th Century. Await
fax from someone that was there (well, his relatives were there).
Msg #27487 Dated 9:52:21 12-04-91 27469 <--> 27499
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
By the end of the test you probably fit your chair pretty good.
Msg #27488 Dated 9:52:24 12-04-91 27446 <--> 27503
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Woman thru Magician illusion is called "Interlude" and was created
by Jim Steinmeyer. First seen in act of the Pendragons... who,
being Physical Culture folks (have been seen on covers of body
building magazines) do a more "STRENGTH" type presentation.
.
Did David do the Grafitti on Brick wall mental prediction effect at
the Wiltern?
.
Did I post the anecdote about Mike Caveney commenting (in print)
that if there was a contest for professional magicians and they
had a 10 minute limit... LANCE BURTON would win hands down.
So... David C heard this and next time Cave was in Las Vegas he
took him over to the wherehouse... and said, something like, "See
all this.... well if there was a contest for professional magicians
and you had to DO FOURTEEN HOURS.... I WOULD WIN HANDS DOWN!"
.
I LOVE THE STORY!
Msg #27489 Dated 9:52:42 12-04-91 27450 <--> 27498
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Is there an easy way to change the thread "Re:s"... cuz this and
the previous message ain't got nuttin' to do with Mavan-san.
.
I know you have to type "E" and start fresh... maybe we should
begin to do that when we change the subject... duh...
Msg #27490 Dated 9:52:48 12-04-91 27458 <--> 27493
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: AWARDS
Kato... ah, yes... the Kato Card happening. Do you know anyone
else (other than yours truly) that does this on a regular basis?
.
I assume you were there? I didn't know Cervine was into comedy? Is
he doing a new act?
.
We have booked Chris Hart and Scott to work the Oakland Magic
Circle Banquet on 20 Jan. And now I just got a job out of town
that weekend... drat!
Msg #27492 Dated 9:53:06 12-04-91 27463 <--> 27496
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
I once had a matinee in a large theater. The show started and the
first 20 rows were empty. I had a helluva time "getting" across
the footlights to the aud... couldn't figure it out... why they
were all sitting in the back... Did they want to be able to slip
out and leave if they didn't like me?
.
After it was over I asked the agent... he said, "It is an older
crowd and after you were on we showed a movie and they didnt'
want to sit in the front for the movie!"
.
Had I the experience I now possess I would have had them all
move up!!! Would have done it in an entertaining way... but would
never suffer taht problem again.
Msg #27493 Dated 9:53:43 12-04-91 27458 <--> 27504
From: MIKE KING
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: AWARDS
Thanks sir. I was performing last night and didn't get a chance to
attend the contest. I had spoken to George Tovar just yesterday and he
said the contestants were all very good. This is great for the
reception of magic (ala comedy) as a whole. Thanks for reporting. By
the way, while I have you on the line. I understand you keep pretty
close company with Barclay Shaw. Would you by chance know his
performance schedule for the next couple of months? I would love to
catch his act. If you can help, I would appreciate it. Thanks. MIKE.
Msg #27496 Dated 12:30:09 12-04-91 27485 <--> 27497
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
I ain't got the DC Fan Club address. Would appreciate it if you would
post it.
Msg #27497 Dated 12:31:12 12-04-91 27492 <--> 27510
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD SHOW
Harumph! Trying to make all those poor older people have to get up and
crawl around and then fight to get their original seats back for the
movie.
Msg #27498 Dated 12:35:11 12-04-91 27486 <--> 27589
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
The song with the "I Will Tell" line had probably been on the hit
parade for TWO CENTURIES before the Linking Rings were done.
What always gets me is the persistence of some songs that became
nursery rhymes. "Hot Cross Buns" and "Do You Know The Muffin Man" are
both probably 3 to 4 hundred year old advertising jingles equivalent to
today's "You Deserve A Break Today . . ."
Msg #27499 Dated 12:38:40 12-04-91 27487 <--> 27591
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
Actually, my weight has stayed pretty much the same (+/- 10 pounds)
since high school. It has moved around a bit though.
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