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Msg #28000 Dated 8:14:26 12-11-91 -> 28011
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
IBM commences in the morning of July 1 and ends night of July 4,
in Salt Lake City. Tabman and I will be there midday on 30 June.
I have to leave at crack of dawn on July 4 to shoot pictures in
Barstow on 4 July. (Might have to go nite of 3rd)
Msg #28001 Dated 8:14:32 12-11-91 -> 28132
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Moscow? What country is that in?
Msg #28002 Dated 8:14:35 12-11-91 -> 28003
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
No? What is the Mansion Hotel?
Msg #28003 Dated 8:14:38 12-11-91 -> 28012
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
David Price Museum of Magic in Nashville (or near Nashville). He
has written a HUGE book, titled, "Pictorial History of Conjurers
in the Theater" ... and it is 550 PAGES!! Weighs a ton!!
.
Paul Daniels and I went there once and Paul said he couldn't believe
it... Posters to the end of the world.... awesum....
Msg #28004 Dated 8:14:45 12-11-91 27974 <--> 28029
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: ALL
Art Carnie? Holfow dolfo yolfou dolfo calfarnalfy talfalk?
Msg #28005 Dated 8:21:47 12-11-91 -> 28026
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SIX HOURS TO GO
Sounds like a good gig, Jerry. Glad to see you sharing your magic
with others!!
Msg #28008 Dated 8:21:58 12-11-91 -> 28009
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Actually, I was just suggesting a video tape of an actual screen
session not a bunch of lumpkin sitting around watching more thimb
tip trix unfold....you know, from sign on to sign off. Anyway, the
controversy is over and you are definately on the program for
IBM-SLC.
Msg #28009 Dated 8:22:04 12-11-91 -> 28010
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
True, it was the Biro who put the caboose on the train. I guess
you're throwing that back at me since you know that me and Mr. Biro
are tight. AmTrak runs into the old Union Pacific Station located
a few blox from the hortel in SLC where the IBM is to be. Give
them AmTrack a call and find out what it would cost for a special
car!!
Msg #28010 Dated 8:22:11 12-11-91 -> 28017
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
OK, next time you get over to the "Office Club" then check it out
for me. Thanx!!! Next time I get by the "Officers Club" I'll have
a drink for you!
Msg #28011 Dated 9:17:17 12-11-91 -> 28045
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
The IBM convention itself is Wednesday, July 1st thru Saturday, July
4th. I don't know how others would feel about leaving on Monday, June
29th and spending a night in Vegas; then, if possible, taking the train
overnight on Tuesday nigh (if there is such a train) to arrive in SLC
on Wednesday morning. Return could be SLC to LA on Sunday, July 5th.
Guess we need to know when the trains run and what is available. Also
if we end up paying lots extra for the Vegas stop. An additional
problem might be that some shows are dark on Monday or Tuesday nights.
Perhaps see what you can find out preliminarily about the train
schedules and group fares? I think the number _may_ be 800-AMTRACK.
I _know_ it isn't 800-TRAINING!
Msg #28012 Dated 9:23:46 12-11-91 -> 28030
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
You must have the World's longest case of jet lag! No surprise with
all the runnin' you been doing. Hope you didn't hurt your head when it
hit the space bar. I'm looking forward to the brochure - but, if you
have a chance, give me a call when you are in L.A. - 818-899-8812.
Msg #28013 Dated 9:28:09 12-11-91 -> 28015
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
There you go! We gota bit! TERRORIST MAGICIANS! You and I storm the
place and take Joe hostage! We commandeer EVERY THUMB TIP in the
place!
Msg #28015 Dated 9:30:03 12-11-91 -> 28046
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
If you're going to do ten minutes with a golf ball that don't roll
straight, you are doin' a solo act.
Msg #28016 Dated 9:30:57 12-11-91 -> 28049
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHIT
AMIGA is the REAL magic computer! Tell him to join us!
Msg #28017 Dated 9:33:52 12-11-91 -> 28018
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Heat binders is OK, but the books don't lie flat. Nice for proposals
and press kits, not so nice for lecture notes. Also, pages can come
unglued.
Msg #28018 Dated 9:35:30 12-11-91 -> 28019
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
I think that the reference that you thought was to MCity was to either
DMS or IBM.
Can't use a chrome thumb tip for hitchiking - sun reflecting off it
blinds the drivers and the aim for you.
Msg #28019 Dated 9:37:45 12-11-91 -> 28020
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Yeah, use a laptop and only let a couple people at a time see! Just
like real life!
Msg #28020 Dated 9:38:55 12-11-91 -> 28021
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
No I haven't seen the Menu on DC's dining car. All I know is, I can't
afford it! For starters, you gotta buy the dining car!
Msg #28021 Dated 9:39:56 12-11-91 -> 28022
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
RE: "What did you get at Office Club?"
That great portable comb binder!
Msg #28022 Dated 9:40:45 12-11-91 28008 <--> 28023
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
I'll give some thought to how to make MAGIC! look good in front of lots
of people. Glad I'm on the IBM-SLC program - would be nowhere without
friends. Now, have we firmed up MAGIC!'s Second Anniversary Bash at
DMS?
Msg #28023 Dated 9:42:19 12-11-91 28009 <--> 28025
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Gee, I didn't know that you and the Biroman got along with each other!
Interesting what a little MAGIC! will do.
Thanks to Kevin Curtin, we have the start of a committee looking into
the train trip. A special car would be GREAT!
Msg #28025 Dated 9:43:37 12-11-91 28010 <--> 28034
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
RE: Office Club and the binder - will do.
Msg #28026 Dated 9:45:18 12-11-91 -> 28027
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIX HOURS TO GO
Has Salvano got the thumb thru head bit? You hold thumb tip on left
ear and bend thumb and place first joint on right ear. Works best if
you do it with your left hand, holding the thumb tip to your left ear
with your right hand.
Msg #28027 Dated 9:47:07 12-11-91 -> 28054
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIX HOURS TO GO
Yeah, but stage goes for no more than 17 minutes, according to what
we've been describing here (I DEFINITELY leave the 2-hour one man shows
to others!), while walk around goes on and on and on. And on stage,
no-one steps on your foot, spills their drink into your pocket, or
tries to walk off with the props.
Msg #28029 Dated 10:02:06 12-11-91 28004 <--> 28040
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALL
No, Howasare areazee youazee doinazeeing. Yeazoo deazoo leeazike
miazageeasik. This is the real talk that carnie huksters like to use.
They use it in fron of John's, squares and cops.......the Showman's
league was here last week and they really are a bunch of interesting
guys..........your name would be Peazeete Birasoo.. I would be
Genenaso Muanareazee (Munar-e-azee)....Prettey wierd for us grown men
to talk like this.
By the way you heard it first.....yesterday I was contacted by a major
hotel in Las Vegas, and they requested a close up room. I have been
doing some special things for them in the past. It looks like a 95%
done deal.....seats 85, and they want to build a complete marketing
plan around it..........I saw the room, and it will be perfect. Plus
they have a great marquee and moving message display that will support
the idea. I will build a show ticket in three ways; 1) ticket only
without drinks 2) with drinks and dinner, and with 3) a room promotion.
They advertise in the LA Times. How is your bill change, can you
work?
Msg #28030 Dated 10:11:45 12-11-91 28012 <--> 28032
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
Will do so......read my message to Pete. It looks very good.
Msg #28032 Dated 13:13:44 12-11-91 28030 <--> 28058
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
Yeah! Your message to Pete was indeed interesting news! Thanks for
posting it.
Msg #28033 Dated 13:14:46 12-11-91 -> 28059
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
CNN just mentioned that Barbara Bush had a party for some children
today and that the party featured a magician. Anyone have any details?
Msg #28034 Dated 14:10:32 12-11-91 -> 28036
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
I wuz thinking about putting out a book of trix, advice, etc
after the MCCMS each year and liked the Frog's self publish route.
I remember him sitting at the Hotel DeCarlo putting boox together
at 5am and remembering all the fun it looked like he wuz having.
What is the point of it all. Dunno what else to do. Something to
generate some funds (???) and get the name of the conclave
more out there. Since I'm dedicated to having NO LAME TALENT at
the event, maybe some of the guys would contrib a trick or
two. Jim Sisti is doing a good job of publishing stuff, maybe he'd
be interested in putting something out. Dunno, am up to my neck
with MCCM rite now. This is fun stuff.
Msg #28035 Dated 14:10:42 12-11-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: OLE
If I am a maggie, maybe a juice joint, eh what?
Msg #28036 Dated 14:10:45 12-11-91 -> 28037
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Did you tell Dale I mite be calling him?
Msg #28037 Dated 14:10:48 12-11-91 -> 28038
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Don't ferget the Hofzinser trick you were telling me about. I am
finalizing the sked for the event this week. How much time do you
want for your lecture??? An hour and a half do?
Msg #28038 Dated 14:10:52 12-11-91 28023 <--> 28041
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Actually, Pete's first reference to the tabman was in 1978 in a
Genii column called _The Reel Works_ when I used to write him
letters from the road, but you are right. We both think MAGIC! is
great. When is the MAGIC! mmeeeting at DMS sked for?? I want to
be there, not SQUARE!
Msg #28040 Dated 14:11:02 12-11-91 28029 <--> 28056
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: ALL
If you need a special table built for the room give me a chance to
bid onitwillya!
Msg #28041 Dated 14:44:42 12-11-91 28034 <--> 28042
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
If'n I can help lemme know... dude... got the typesetting stuff here
Msg #28042 Dated 14:44:59 12-11-91 28036 <--> 28043
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
UYep... his mom died yesterday, but he will be in for calls if out let
me know an dI will talke at him...
Msg #28043 Dated 14:45:30 12-11-91 28037 <--> 28044
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Less is more. 1.5 hours including q and a... fine
Msg #28044 Dated 14:45:55 12-11-91 28038 <--> 28050
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
What?
Msg #28045 Dated 14:46:18 12-11-91 28011 <--> 28070
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Lance is DARK on Tuesday night... otherwise he would be on the show
on Wednesday at IBM... darn... S&R are Dark on Mondays. Most all
shows are dark on Mondays... Lance changed his to take advantage
of BEING OPEN WHEN S&R are closed so folks that wanna see mojo and
are in town on Monday can come see his show!
Msg #28046 Dated 14:46:25 12-11-91 28013 <--> 28048
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
And... you overlooked this one... Gary Darwin covers it ala
Wolf Blitzer... and does a six volume series on Thumb Tip Terrorists
Msg #28048 Dated 14:46:32 12-11-91 28015 <--> 28071
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
It will be so low... that... naw, can't bore you with it...
Msg #28049 Dated 14:46:35 12-11-91 28016 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHIT
OK Amiga
Msg #28050 Dated 14:46:38 12-11-91 28017 <--> 28051
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
So what? You like Comb binding better? Uglee on the shelf! ARgh..
Msg #28051 Dated 14:46:41 12-11-91 28018 <--> 28052
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Then you is like a Deer in the headlights?
Msg #28052 Dated 14:46:44 12-11-91 28019 <--> 28053
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Like some big screen TV... if you ain't 90-degrees out... fo'get
it, dudes...
Msg #28053 Dated 14:46:48 12-11-91 28021 <--> 28065
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Whew, glad I don't have Office Club memebership! yark...
Msg #28054 Dated 14:46:51 12-11-91 28026 <--> 28072
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIX HOURS TO GO
My problem with that is that when the tt (Thumb tip for the inner
kinda guys) is IN THE EAR... the battery drain is a killer... it
does make your eyes light up and your tummy say howdy!
Msg #28056 Dated 14:47:00 12-11-91 28029 <--> 28078
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: ALL
I can woik, but I DO NOT USE THUMB TIPS OR SWITCH BILLS... That
was Johnny Paul's territory and if I can't come close to what he
was doing I wouldn't even begin!
.
Funny... you are the 3rd guy I have heard talking about a Magic
bar in Vegas... hmmmmm...
.
Just got off the phone (broke in in middle of this message) got to
search out some pix and go to FEDEX this afternoon... adios...
Msg #28058 Dated 14:47:13 12-11-91 28032 <--> 28074
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
ARgh... just got up to page 196 on zeee book of rings.... more to
come... yowza... too big to comb bind... ahahahhahaha
Msg #28059 Dated 14:47:17 12-11-91 28033 <--> 28075
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
No but the camel cig people are in truble... oh, sorry wrong BBS,
that message goes to Autoracing... tsk... Have had headache for 36
hours... argh...
Msg #28061 Dated 14:47:29 12-11-91 -> 28083
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: RECESSION?
n
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What Recession? That is what Joe Stevens just told me... he set
a new personal record... TOOK AND SHIPPED 100 ORDERS MONDAY LAST!
wOWOWOWOWOOWOw
Msg #28065 Dated 15:53:16 12-11-91 28034 <--> 28067
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
How about MCCM - The Convention, MCCM - The Book, MCCM - The Video!
Msg #28066 Dated 15:51:02 12-11-91 -> 28076
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: IBM
With all this talk re: trains to Vegas and SLC, remember what I
mentioned before.
I am planning on getting to SLC on Mon., rent a car and see the sights
on Tues, with the convention starting Weds.
I would welcome some company,so Sysop or whomever, is welcome to go
around with me on the Tues.
There would be no cost to you, as I am renting the car anyway.
Msg #28067 Dated 15:54:22 12-11-91 28038 <--> 28068
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
I haven't gotten the sked for the MAGIC! Second Anniversary Meeting at
DMS yet. I'm hoping that Bill Wells or Pete Biro or Joe Stevens know
when it is.
Msg #28068 Dated 15:55:54 12-11-91 28050 <--> 28069
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Comb binding can be ugly on the shelf, but it works good in the hands.
Msg #28069 Dated 15:56:30 12-11-91 28051 <--> 28080
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Yeah, sumthin like a deer in the headlights. BTW, did you know that
research shows that when people hit most animals they either slow down
or stop, look in the rearview mirror for a few moments and then
drive off. BUT if they run over a snake, they do all of the above, and
THEN they put the car into reverse and RUN OVER IT AGAIN!!!
Msg #28070 Dated 15:59:16 12-11-91 28045 <--> 28098
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Thanks. I thought most were dark on Mondays and that Lance was dark on
Tuesdays. Well, if we go in on Monday night, we can see Lance, then on
Tuesday night we can see S&R and others.
Msg #28071 Dated 16:00:49 12-11-91 28046 <--> 28093
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
OK, G. Darwin can report on the Great Thumb Tip Massacre! You know,
you is foolin' around, but I'll bet we really could do somethin' and
maybe even win the Challenge!
Msg #28072 Dated 16:02:45 12-11-91 28054 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIX HOURS TO GO
Yeah, battery drain on the thumb tip thru head bit is a killer! Best
to replace them after each day's shows. PLUS, it works better if you
shave your ears.
Msg #28074 Dated 16:05:27 12-11-91 28058 <--> 28077
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
OK, DON'T comb bind the ring book - BUT _DO_ comb bind the Deluxe
Edition - in TWO binders!
Msg #28075 Dated 16:06:28 12-11-91 28059 <--> 28365
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
RE: Have had a headache for 36 hours --- TOO MUCH OAT BRAN.
Msg #28076 Dated 16:07:41 12-11-91 28066 <--> 28085
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM
Well, you are gonna miss the GREAT MAGIC! TO SLC TRAIN CAPER! If it
goes, that is.
Msg #28077 Dated 18:20:48 12-11-91 28032 <--> 28102
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
It looks real good, and I have been romancing this particular propert
y for quite awhile....they love magic and want to use it in promotion
...........
I will give you all the details.............
Msg #28078 Dated 18:20:58 12-11-91 28040 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ALL
I will need a few things built Tabarino, and as soon as I get all
the details finalized, I will give you a call......this will be
a great venue. Can't wait for Nashville.
Msg #28079 Dated 18:21:06 12-11-91 -> 28094
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ER
Re: I HOPE ALL THE DETAILS CA
ll work real good.
I did get a Fax from Joe, and he explained in it. All will be OK.
Msg #28080 Dated 18:31:24 12-11-91 28041 <--> 28081
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Will do re: typesetting stuff, etc.
Msg #28081 Dated 18:31:27 12-11-91 28042 <--> 28082
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Wow, will not call him til after holidays I guess. Sorry to hear
about his (Dale) mom!
Msg #28082 Dated 18:31:31 12-11-91 28043 <--> 28084
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
I had one guy tell me three hours which I feel is too long unless
he is awesome. I think an hour and a half should be plenty long
enuff for most with two hours being TOPS. Thanx.
Msg #28083 Dated 18:31:35 12-11-91 28061 <--> 28109
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RECESSION?
During last recession the band I was in was making 50g a night. The
better it got for the rest of the USA the slower things got for me.
I'm actually starting to get excited about this one - recession!!
Msg #28084 Dated 18:31:39 12-11-91 28065 <--> 28086
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
As it turns out, only one of the performer/lecturers will allow any
video taping of their part of the show and that one will allow it
only for NON COMMERCIAL usages. I don't want to try to do a video
and probably won't do a book since there are about ten million of
em out already though I might request an effect from each guy just
to see what they give me. I am learning alot about human nature
doing this conclave thing - most is good.
Msg #28085 Dated 18:31:47 12-11-91 28066 <--> 28087
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM
SLC is beautiful. You will enjoy the sights, etc. Glad to hear
you are coming over. See you there!
Msg #28086 Dated 18:31:50 12-11-91 28067 <--> 28090
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Be sure and let us know as soon as you find out when it is. I heard
a rumor that it had been left out of the programs but it is probably
just a rumor since they probably haven't been printed yet!!
Msg #28087 Dated 18:31:55 12-11-91 28076 <--> 28089
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM
If you do the MAGIC! TRAIN, be sure to have a four of diamonds stuck
to the outside of every window just in case.
Msg #28088 Dated 18:41:11 12-11-91 -> 28097
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: HARTMAN
Now hear this, now hear this! New book on the market. What?
.
CARD CRAFT by J.K.Hartman.
669, 8 1/2 X 11 pages, 260 separate items, $55.00
Illustrations by Joseph K. Schmidt.
Published by Kaufman and Greenberg.
.
A lot of Hartman's material and material from the following:
Apocalypse Card Man-uscript Chronicles
Epilogue The Heirophant Ibidem
Inside Out The Jinx Kabbala
The Pallbearer's Review Phoenix Precursor
Richard's Almanac
.
The Chapters:
Covering all basics. - Basic card moves. 10 items.
.
Part 1 Whiles and Wherefores - Various Moves.
.
1 Turning Over a new Lift Double Lifts. 10 items.
2 Switchcraft Card switches. 13 items.
3 Natural Forces Forcing a card 10 items.
4 Pass Mastery Passes 4 items.
5 Multiple Shiftiness Multiple Shifts 4 items.
6 The Changing of the Card Changes 4 items.
7 Dodge Podge Various dodges 19 items.
.
Part 2 - Schemes and Themes - Effects and Routines
.
8 Deceiving Appearances Revelations 10 items.
9 Swap Exchange Transpositions 20 items.
10 Four Scores Four Aces 11 items.
11 Selected Collectors Collector Effects 9 items.
12 HofZingers Four Ace Problem 6 items.
13 All About Faces Triumph Variations 6 items.
14 Uplifting Elevators Elevator Routines 5 items.
15 Over Achievers Twisting the Aces 3 items.
16 The Witchcraft of Discoveries 15 items.
17 Wild and Wily Wild Cards 10 items.
18 Tintellations Red and Blacks 6 items.
19 Guiles and Deals Poker Deals 21 items.
20 Mind Readings Mind Reading 20 items.
21 Future Shockers Predictions 12 items.
22 Matchinations Matching Cards 8 items.
23 Mixed Tricks Mixed Bag 18 items.
24 Gaffed Craft Trick Cards 22 items.
.
The explanation of the chapter headings is my idea of the
breakdown.
.
Some of the creators by a quick look.
.
Jeff Altman Jerry Andrus Ted Annemann
Jack Avis Al Baker Ken Beale
Elmer Biddle Harry Blackstone Justin Branch
Fred Braue "Alan Brown" Arthur Buckley
Arthur J. Carter Bruce Cervon Henry Christ
Paul Curry Father Cyprian Dr. Daley
Persi Diaconis Derick Dingle Daryl
Doug Edwards Neal Elias Tommy Ellison
Bill Elliott Alex Elmsley Cy Endfield
S.W. Erdnase Bert Fenn Gene Finnell
Karl Fulves Martin Gardner Phil Goldstein
Cliff Green Bro. John Hamman Ben Harris
Paul Harris J.K. Hartman Bob Haskell
S. Leo Horowitz Ralph W. Hull Larry Jennings
Charles Jordan Stewart Judah Peter Kane
George Kaplan Tony Kardyro Richard Kaufman
Frank Kelly Ken Krenzel Al Leech
Paul LePaul Hal LeRoy Fred Lessor
Harry Lorayne Sid Lorraine P. Howard Lyons
Ed Marlo Carl Mellish Jack Merlin
Charlie Miller John Mulholand Tom Mullica
Martin Nash Joe Ovette Robert Parrish
Bob Paul Dave Price Joseph Prieto
Jon Racherbaumer David Regal Robert-Houdin
Jerry Sadowitz Richard Sanders Jay Sankey
John Scarne Joseph K. Schmidt Lin Searles
Tom Sellers Roger Sherman Bill Simon
Elias Stanyon Nick Trost Bob Veeser
Dai Vernon Edward Victor Randy Wakeman
Robert Walker Roy Walton Herb Zarrow
Michael Zens
.
That was a very quick look-through. Sorry if I missed anyone or
mis-spelled.
.
I will give a more detailed review after I have been with the
book for a while. There is a lot of material and each item costs
about $ .21 so it is a good buy. Most of the material does not
take an expert to perform, so it seems.
.
A couple of negatives at the beginning. There is no index, so you
can't look up a person or a publication. Even with the above list
of inventors, most of the material is by Hartman. Most of the
names are listred as the inventors of the original on which the
variation is based. Maybe this is not a negative as Hartman knows
good stuff.
.
In giving basic sleights I can't understand leaving out Biddle
Count or the Ascanio Spread. Maybe there were no tricks which
used them, so OK.
.
If anyone gets a copy I'd like some feedback.
Msg #28089 Dated 19:11:15 12-11-91 28066 <--> 28096
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM
How you getting there? Flying?
Msg #28090 Dated 19:11:18 12-11-91 28067 <--> 28091
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Ask Wells... he is the only one that do know.
Msg #28091 Dated 19:11:21 12-11-91 28068 <--> 28092
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
A comb in the hand is worth two on the shelf? Naw...
Msg #28092 Dated 19:11:24 12-11-91 28069 <--> 28095
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
I stopped and tried to see if the deer was still alive... he wasn't.
No fun.
Msg #28093 Dated 19:11:27 12-11-91 28071 <--> 28114
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I have sent my video tape in already!
Msg #28094 Dated 19:11:30 12-11-91 28079 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: I HOPE ALL THE DETAILS CA
I assume the message about FAX from Joe was to me Geno.. but it
was labeled to: ER
Msg #28095 Dated 19:11:34 12-11-91 28081 <--> 28105
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Call him NEXT WEEK. Before holidays... not a problem, honest. Fri
is the service. He is OK, she was 94 and in coma long time. Relief!
Msg #28096 Dated 19:11:37 12-11-91 28087 <--> 28110
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
You gave my plan away. I was going to ride the rail under the
window... argh...
Msg #28097 Dated 19:11:41 12-11-91 28088 <--> 28100
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Sounds like a remake of the Encyclopedia of Card Tricks... or
Greater Magic.
.
I am up to 196 pages typeset on the Encyclopedia of Linking Ring
Magic. Whew!
.
Just got the Klause book. Might do a report on it tomorrow!
.
OK David?
Msg #28098 Dated 19:45:40 12-11-91 28045 <--> 28131
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Siegfried & Roy are dark on Wednesday, not Monday.
Msg #28100 Dated 19:46:12 12-11-91 28097 <--> 28103
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
No, no. The Hartman book is nothing like the Encyclopedia of Card
Tricks. Rather, it is a thorough compilation of Hartman's material from
the past -- that which had been in his own books and also his magazine
contributions -- with a great deal of updating and revision plus 1500
new Schmidt illustrations. There are also quite a few previously
unpublished items.
Cy's list of names was misleading; the only contributor per se to this
book is J. K. Hartman. The listed names are those he cites as technical
references or inspirational sources.
Msg #28101 Dated 19:59:24 12-11-91 -> 28151
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: COMPLAIN
I've been sitting here lurking for the past few days. I love to
get into the discusions, but have found little to do. Part of the
dialog seems to be written by a travel agent, part by a computer
nerd and part by some kind of sports fan. I'm not asking for this
to stop but where are the comments on the latest trick you've
been impressed by, the latest book you've read or anything you
know about the magic situation that might interest us all. Maybe
its the recession or holiday season. OK Thats off my chest, so
shall we continue?
Msg #28102 Dated 20:01:18 12-11-91 27817 <--> 28104
From: CY KELLER
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
The best way of the missing "L" I've seen is the following:
.
ABCDE
FGHIJ
KMNOP
QRSTU
VWXYZ
.
I's a 5x5 letter square and looks good in print.
Msg #28103 Dated 20:17:55 12-11-91 28100 <--> 28111
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Max, I tried not to be misleading on the contributers. I think
thats why I called them the "inventors" or "creators", not
"contributers". I think the quick overview mentioned that most of
the material was Hartman. They - among them you - should be
mentioned. How can we know the quality of the material unless we
know the source?
.
That was a job to list the names without an index!
Msg #28104 Dated 20:22:34 12-11-91 28077 <--> 28117
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
The chance to have a close-up room sounds great, Geno! Am looking
forward to seeing the details in a "MAGIC! First!" story when the time
is right.
Msg #28105 Dated 20:25:04 12-11-91 28084 <--> 28106
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
I'll bet you are learning a lot about human nature from putting the
MCCM together! Then again, magi aren't human, are they?
As to the book, I understand. But if you can get everyone to
contribute an effect, why not talk to Dante about doing it for a Genii
issue?
Msg #28107 Dated 20:28:22 12-11-91 28086 <--> 28108
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Hmmmm..... Rumor I heard is that the MAGIC! session didn't make the
advertising schedule but that it was on the "real" schedule. I sure
hope so!
Msg #28108 Dated 20:30:04 12-11-91 28092 <--> 28122
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Wait a minute! When did a real deer get into this story? I thought it
was a hypothetical deer in a set of hypothetical headlights.
Msg #28109 Dated 20:31:19 12-11-91 28083 <--> 28153
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: RECESSION?
Recession is REAL around here - slow for me. Is a little OK since I
needed time to catch up with some things, but if that new contract
doesn't go thru I may we wandering around with a sign that reads "I do
computer magic for food."
Msg #28110 Dated 20:32:28 12-11-91 28087 <--> 28143
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
A GOOD IDEA, Tabman! Will try to have a Four of Demons on every
window! You know, it could almost cost you the same to come to L.A.
and join us on the train as it could for you to fly direct. Couple
daze in Techy Heaven on the way.
Msg #28111 Dated 20:36:20 12-11-91 28088 <--> 28112
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Wow! Cy! Thanks for posting the info on the new Hartman book! Looks
like it should be terrific! Let us know as you go thru it.
Msg #28112 Dated 20:37:14 12-11-91 28097 <--> 28119
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
You doing a report on the Klause book is OK with me!
Hmmm..... Guess I'd better protect the system (and me!) by saying that
the views expressed are those of the author of the review and are _not_
necessarily those of MAGIC! or the Sysop. That it is our policy not to
edit such material in a manner other than that consistent with our
stated policies (no gratuitous use of profanity, etc.). That we assume
no liability, expressed or implied, for the content of messages here on
MAGIC!, etc., etc., and so forth.
Msg #28114 Dated 20:41:36 12-11-91 28093 <--> 28115
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Who reviewed your video and decided to let you into the DMS Challenge?
Msg #28117 Dated 22:33:12 12-11-91 28002 <--> 28118
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
WHAT IS THE MANSION HOTEL!?!?!?!?!?!?
Picture the Castle turned into a Bed and Breakfast, Complete with an
IRMA protege!!!!
Msg #28118 Dated 23:35:10 12-11-91 28058 <--> 28158
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
Obviously, Pete, if you are doing a book on Linking Rings, it should be
put in a THREE RING BINDER....
...seriously, whatever you decide to do, try to get a binding that
lies flat, so the reader doesn't have to put a weight on it to hold it
open while practicing a move. That was the nice thing about the GBC
edition of Erdnase; comb-bound, it was not all that attractive, but
certainly was one of the more functional editions.
On the Whit Haydn thing -- I am not sure of the situation, and how
Whit feels about the copyright holder -- but what you might ask is if
it is all right with Whit if YOU describe his routine IN YOUR OWN WORDS
-- and see what happens.
Msg #28119 Dated 0:03:24 12-12-91 28103 <--> 28124
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HARTMAN
I certainly have no objection to your list, I just think it should be
made clear who did what. The quality of the material in the Hartman
book must indeed be judged by its source -- and its source is J. K.
Hartman, who has been more conscientious than most in naming the
starting points for many of the plots and/or moves in his routines.
Such credits are, of course, important; would that more writers in
magic took the effort. However, it is clear that your list presented
the wrong impression, at least to Pete Biro, who took it to mean that
the book was a collection of assorted inventors' tricks.
Msg #28121 Dated 0:45:49 12-12-91 -> 28128
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Ee;28023
Got my kit from Stevens re DMS. Seems the Lance Burton show will
have an early and late seating since not everyone can get in at once.
Suggest MAGIC! members all go for the second show - need to send a
note to Stevens if you have preferences. They are having a cocktail
thing in between the 2 shows for everone to mingle. Also suggest we
go for the back area at the Siegfried & Roy spectakalar !
.
I have a double room at the Trop, If anyone wants to share & split th
e $, let me know. Note: I smoke !
Msg #28122 Dated 0:45:57 12-12-91 28069 <--> 28123
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
What's the difference between a skunk run over on the Hwy, and an
attorney run over on the Hwy ????
?
?
?
?
?
There are skid marks leading up to the skunk !
Msg #28123 Dated 0:46:04 12-12-91 28084 <--> 28129
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
With the line-up you have, getting each performer/lecturer to contrib
ute THEIR FAVORITE trick - would be a dynomite seller for sure. Do
it for those of us that can't make it - PUUULLEEEEEZZZZZZ !
Msg #28124 Dated 0:46:08 12-12-91 28112 <--> 28150
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Please try to give an OBJECTIVE review of Klause's thumb tip work.
I just read Weber's review in Magic and the excerpt from the book,
"Smokeless".
.
Perked my interest a great deal, would appreciate your input on
whether you think its worth $ 43.95 or not.
Msg #28125 Dated 0:46:13 12-12-91 -> 28164
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: URI GELLER
Ee;28112
Just finished reading the Uri Geller interview in Magic. He certainly
comes across as the INJURED party, just a humble boy from Israel
that has ABILITIES. He is not a magician, just an entertainer.
.
Anyone else have any comments ? Can't wait to see Randi's rebuttal
next month.
.
Stan did a really nice job on this issue of Magic,lots of good stuff!
Msg #28126 Dated 0:46:21 12-12-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CRUISES AND TUXEDOS
No it stood for Multi Program Monitor. It was Digital Research's
lame attempt to make a Z80 based machine multi user - that was a
computer nerd comment to David, not a misprint.
.
Tell me about the Metal (Mental?) effect you came up with that you
thought I might like ? Can you tip in public or do I have to wait
til you come back to LA or I come to Vegas ?
.
See you at DMS for sure.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #28128 Dated 0:57:44 12-12-91 28121 <--> 28243
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Let's see - I believe that the women who perform with Lance wear tops
during the first show and no tops during the second. There may be some
with preferences in light of that, so a poll of those going might be in
order. It is possible that Nathan might like to join us, and, if so,
I would prefer the first show. Not that I'm overly concerned about the
absence of tops in the second show, but because he tends to go to sleep
a bit earlier. As to the S&R backstage tour - YES INDEED, that should
be GOOOOD!
Msg #28129 Dated 1:00:21 12-12-91 28122 <--> 28141
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Hmmmm.... Remember, the research shows that people STOP and BACK UP
over snakes again, so I think that there WOULD be skid marks with the
attorneys, only they'd be AFTER rather than before. Possibly even
several sets.
Msg #28130 Dated 1:01:35 12-12-91 -> 28165
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Max -
Do you find that men and women respond differently to mentalism?
Msg #28131 Dated 1:57:23 12-12-91 28000 <--> 28133
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Pete,
Thanks for the info. I'll check my sources for train fares.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28132 Dated 1:57:28 12-12-91 28001 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Pete,
The worst part is, I am not sure what country Moscow is in now.
It was in the United Soviet Socialist Republic, but I believe it
is in Russia now.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28133 Dated 1:57:33 12-12-91 28011 <--> 28140
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
David,
Thanks for the info. I will check out what can be checked out in
the morn. Get back atcha tomorrow night.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28134 Dated 1:57:38 12-12-91 28013 <--> 28156
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
David,
I've got mine hidden in a false finger.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28136 Dated 2:05:40 12-12-91 -> 28139
From: FRANK ZAK
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: HOLOGRAMS
Thanks Mike.
Frank
Msg #28139 Dated 2:09:43 12-12-91 -> 28226
From: FRANK ZAK
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: HOLOGRAMS
Kevin,
That's something I haven't thought of. It's worth considering. I'm
finding out more about this than I ever thought I needed to know.
Frank
Msg #28140 Dated 2:43:02 12-12-91 28133 <--> 28146
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Just a thought before we lose complete control of this thread,
Did anyone go to Allan Ackerman's lecture last sunday? How did he do?
I saw an advance copy of his notes. Did his notes follow his lecture?
Just wondering,
David (the other one)
Msg #28141 Dated 8:05:56 12-12-91 28105 <--> 28142
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Now that's a good idea re: Genii issue on MCCM. I knew I was talking
to the right guy!! Thanks. Dante, are you listening??
Msg #28143 Dated 8:06:06 12-12-91 28110 <--> 28166
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM
That sounds good but I have to be in SLC the day before the event
to get my ducks lined up plus the IBM pays for my ticket to SLC and
home since I work the event for them. Tell you what. I'll be at the
train station to greet ya'll when you arrive!!!!
Msg #28145 Dated 8:06:15 12-12-91 28123 <--> 28152
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
I'd take you up on the room thing at DMS except I stopped the
cigs about two months ago and am still having a hell of a time
staying off.
Msg #28146 Dated 8:06:20 12-12-91 28140 <--> 28149
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Never heard from you, but how are the birders doing??? How are
Ackermann's notes????
Msg #28150 Dated 9:27:52 12-12-91 28100 <--> 28154
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HARTMAN
I didn't mean to infer it was LIKE e OF card trix... but that with
SO many trix it was like an ENCYCLOPEDIA...
Msg #28151 Dated 9:27:56 12-12-91 28101 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: COMPLAIN
I guess the REAL magicians are all out Magishing.... tsk....
Trouble for me is when doing this DAILY (3 TIMES A DAY MOST OF THE
TIME) I have run out of magic stuff to discuss. Glad to answer any
questions.
Some of the travel stuff is SO MEMBERS CAN GET TOGETHER and
participate IN MAGIC EVENTS.... as audiences.
Msg #28152 Dated 9:28:03 12-12-91 28108 <--> 28180
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
MAGIC! BBS SESSION "IS" ON THE IBM SCHEDULE IN MY HOT LITTLE HAND
AS WE TYPE... IT SAY:
.
4:00 - 6:00 MAGIC! BBS SESSION MEETING - Park City Meeting Room.
.
Don't know if it is AM or PM
Msg #28153 Dated 9:28:11 12-12-91 28109 <--> 28183
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RECESSION?
PLANT SEEDS and you can do a sign that say: "I do food for money"
Msg #28154 Dated 9:28:14 12-12-91 28112 <--> 28162
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HARTMAN
In that case, I don't think I can do a fair (UNBIASED) review of
the Klause book. Other than to say "I was disappointed".
Msg #28156 Dated 9:28:31 12-12-91 28114 <--> 28157
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Bill Wells and I review the videos and vote on the entries. Joe
has veto power. We meet at his house in February to make final
decisions. Gratuities accepted ;+) ARgh?
Msg #28158 Dated 9:28:47 12-12-91 28117 <--> 28159
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
OK, now, where is it?
Msg #28159 Dated 9:28:50 12-12-91 28118 <--> 28161
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
Whit wants it in the book. However, Jay (Marshall) says, "NO... as
we still sell it regularly... but go ahead, put his picture in the
book AND DO A DESCRIPTION in your own words, but DON'T TIP IT ALL".
.
Great minds... yo!
.
Binding. I really hope to have it be about the size/quality of the
new trilogy of Vernon Chronicles.
.
Have you seen the Klause book? Comments?
Msg #28161 Dated 9:29:24 12-12-91 28118 <--> 28191
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
2 Ring Binder... mmmmmm... the old part needs to be 11 rings....
Msg #28162 Dated 9:29:27 12-12-91 28119 <--> 28170
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HARTMAN
I would hold judgement until "I" read the Hartman book, but if
the sources created the EFFECTS aren't the tricks STILL THEIRS,
event tho someone has changed a sleight or a sequence? Mmmmmm?
.
Frankly another huge tome on card tricks is really what we need
right now.
.
What we really really need right now (tho nobody would probably
read them) is a "current" version of Fitzkee's trilogy.
.
Real world material on TODAY'S needs, showmanship and presentations.
Msg #28164 Dated 9:29:49 12-12-91 28125 <--> 28193
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I guess my postman is still reading my copy.
Msg #28165 Dated 9:29:52 12-12-91 28130 <--> 28186
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
David. Butting in on a message to Max. The one and only (so it may
not be fair test) Mental Show I did... ONLY WOMEN came up after
and wanted to talk about readings, am I real, or what... Hmmmm
They all reminded me of my mother, or I would have set up a few
appointments!!!
Msg #28166 Dated 9:29:59 12-12-91 28143 <--> 28168
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
Track 29!
Msg #28168 Dated 10:04:06 12-12-91 28089 <--> 28169
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Yep. Flying out on Mon. At least that's the plan now.
Msg #28169 Dated 10:29:33 12-12-91 28085 <--> 28171
From: MARVIN STERN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
Thanks. Wear the rabbit pin so I know who you are. Never mind, I
remember the long hair.
If you're not tied up with the convention would love to have you along
for the sight-seeing.
Pete won't have arrived yet, as riding the rails takes a while.
Msg #28170 Dated 11:06:04 12-12-91 28162 <--> 28201
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Unfortunately, TRICK BRAIN might have a different connotation!!
Msg #28171 Dated 11:06:07 12-12-91 28166 <--> 28172
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Is this a reference to the Chatanooga Choo Choo??? Speaking of
which, Barry at Chatanooga Magic who is coming to Conclave says
he met you in early 70s when he was with Toyota and you were
involved with a race that ran from Jaxonville to California sort
of like the Cannonball Run!!!
Msg #28172 Dated 11:06:12 12-12-91 28169 <--> 28182
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: IBM
I will wear the Rabbit Pin if it works out. I've already had a
site seeing tour of SLC and it is worth seeing, especially the
surrounding countryside. Am sort of scared to talk about sight
seeing but it is ABOUT A MAGICIANS CONVENTION after all. Oh well.
I still get compliments on the rabbitt pin you gave me last year.
Thanxxxx!!!!!
Msg #28173 Dated 11:06:19 12-12-91 -> 28203
From: TABBY CRABB
To: ALL
Re: SYMPOSIUM
Ee;28169
I HAVE A QUESTION:
If you could have a conversation with some of the great minds in
magic like:
Max Maven
Pete Biro
Michael Close
Johnny Ace Palmer
Tim Wenk
etc
etc
etc
and could ask them anything
WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO ASK THEM??????
I am asking you because of the Symposium Panel in nashville in
jan 92 where questions will be asked.
You guys all helped me come to grips with the video question so
maybe you can help again.
Questions about MAGIC STUFF????????
Thanx
Msg #28177 Dated 11:39:35 12-12-91 28134 <--> 28178
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
OK, now that we know that you are hiding your thumb tip in a false
finger, we'll get 'em both.
Msg #28178 Dated 11:40:40 12-12-91 28156 <--> 28179
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
RE: Who reviews the DMS Challenge videos and who reviewed your video.
You and Wells and Stevens.
Then you might as well give up - you haven't a chance of making it.
None of the judges like your act.
Msg #28181 Dated 11:56:53 12-12-91 28152 <--> 28245
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
GREAT! THANKS for the info on the MAGIC! Session at IBM-SLC. Will try
to come up with something worthy of it!
Msg #28182 Dated 11:59:00 12-12-91 28143 <--> 28202
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
OK - You and Biro meet the train when we roll in! Maybe get the local
high school band to join in?
Msg #28183 Dated 12:03:22 12-12-91 28153 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RECESSION?
I don't think I have enuff ground around here to do food for money.
And corn is already out of season - what grows good in SCal winter?
Guess if you or Tabbo ain't comin' by anytime soon, I could grow
mushrooms in the guest room.
Msg #28186 Dated 12:07:09 12-12-91 28165 <--> 28215
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Is OK to drop in on this thread. I adressed it to Max because I'm
interested in his opinion first and foremost, but certainly look
forward to a general discussion.
I didn't want to make my own comments about the appeal of mentalism in
men vx. women before that original message was seen, but it is my
opinion that in our culture women may relate better to it than men do.
Msg #28187 Dated 12:31:08 12-12-91 -> 28188
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
As long as Cy Keller has brought the subject up, lets talk about it.
As you will recall the matter of persons not interested in all the
computer talk, but wanting to read as much of MAGIC as possible, has
been brought up before.
You, as Sysop were going to look into the possibility of perhaps three
catagories. That way those of us who wanted, could skip over all the
technical talk about computers.
Whatcha think?
Lunch Friday?
Msg #28188 Dated 13:18:30 12-12-91 28187 <--> 28189
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Am working on the MAGIC! categories and hope to have it done soon.
I'm going to try to make it to lunch on Friday, but you know how it is,
things creep into my schedule.
Msg #28189 Dated 14:11:20 12-12-91 28188 <--> 28190
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Who's a creep?
Msg #28190 Dated 14:34:59 12-12-91 28189 <--> 28228
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
"Thing" is considered to be a creep - it is his role in the movie.
Msg #28191 Dated 14:39:03 12-12-91 28158 <--> 28198
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
It is located on Sacramento street near filmore? not sure of exact
address but is reccomended for the out of towner with bucks or good
taste. you gotta check it out, also if you care to, there is a group of
magi who meet there the second and forth monday of the month.
Msg #28192 Dated 15:46:27 12-12-91 -> 28209
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOK FOR SALE
Pete -
I was just working on the old message files and noticed that you had
offered (on 9-20-91) a copy of Ever So Sleightly for $15 postpaid.
Doesn't look like anyone took you up on it, so, if it is still
available, I will!
Msg #28193 Dated 16:30:44 12-12-91 28164 <--> 28194
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I, too, am currently un-M A G I C'd this week. Stan must have a
different set of people deliver to different parts of the State. Of
even parts of the City! Must be a very expensive way to do it.
Msg #28194 Dated 16:31:41 12-12-91 28125 <--> 28195
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I am sending Stan a letter, complaining that one Jerry Burton gets his
M A G I C before I do. I sense a value judgement in the mailing
pattern, and am going to demand that if one person is to get this
valuable magazine before another, it should be me, not you! So there!
Without reading the article, I can only assume that your message re
Geller/Rani is purposely provocative. Surely you can't expect to find
Geller sympathizers here! Hark!
Msg #28195 Dated 16:49:06 12-12-91 28193 <--> 28196
From: TABBY CRABB
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Hahahahhahahahaha!!! I've had M A G I C for over a week. Have you
gotten GENII yet. Where is GENII?????
Msg #28196 Dated 19:23:03 12-12-91 28195 <--> 28210
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
HAH! I ALREADY GOT MY M A G I C _AND_ I GOT MY G E N I I
TODAY!!!!!
Msg #28198 Dated 19:39:54 12-12-91 28102 <--> 28207
From: STAN LAKE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
I seem to be the only one who misses the point of the "Missing L".
What the 'L is the point?
Msg #28199 Dated 19:43:17 12-12-91 -> 28200
From: CY KELLER
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
It is not a missing 'L'. It is no 'L' i.e. NOEL - A Holiday
Greeting.
Msg #28200 Dated 19:51:36 12-12-91 28199 <--> 28214
From: STAN LAKE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
Thank you Cy, I should have gone back far enough on the message to see
what you were talking about. That is a clever Christmas greeting.
Msg #28201 Dated 20:27:59 12-12-91 28170 <--> 28217
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HARTMAN
This is my brain on Rugs... eating too much fibre!
Msg #28202 Dated 20:28:02 12-12-91 28171 <--> 28206
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
Boy that is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time agooooo.....
.
Talked to Doc Eason today... he is glad you in charge of his site,
the "Litte Theater" where he will do the big 3 lectures...
.
FLASH... YU RED IT HEER FURST.... EASON HAS A MODEM.... UYUOKSAWZOO
Msg #28203 Dated 20:28:09 12-12-91 28173 <--> 28221
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
yEP... good idea... get qauestionse from around the woilld...
Msg #28204 Dated 20:28:12 12-12-91 28178 <--> 28205
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Thass turooo... altho I worked for a couple of hours this morning
on the bill switch with thumb tip and found it is easier to do
without the tip... HONEST... was giving it a fair shot.
.
I have heard Klause doesn't like his book either. Picture repro
did not come out worth a hoot!
Msg #28206 Dated 20:28:23 12-12-91 28182 <--> 28220
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM
Now that you know our plan we will NOT DO IT... NO BAND...
Msg #28207 Dated 20:28:26 12-12-91 28191 <--> 28213
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
i SEEM to recall now, that there are some magic dudes that meet
there... but not sure if the list of folks are those that I know...
mmmmmmmmmmm....
Msg #28209 Dated 20:28:45 12-12-91 28192 <--> 28238
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOK FOR SALE
Sold.... to Geno moons ago... Call Byron Walker (he is away for
one week) he might still have some copies.
Msg #28210 Dated 20:28:48 12-12-91 28194 <--> 28211
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Geller is a killer performer and a super con man (based on my own
personal information, viewing, etc.) and an undercover member of
the U.S. Fed. Govt., that trailed him to 'MAKE SURE' he wasn't
real. Our federal mentality was "IF HE IS REAL WE DON'T WANT HIM
ON THE SIDE OF THE RUSSIANS"... TRUE info... dudes...
Msg #28211 Dated 20:28:55 12-12-91 28195 <--> 28212
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
What is Genii?????
Msg #28212 Dated 20:28:58 12-12-91 28196 <--> 28218
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I got you all beat... I have read my book!
Msg #28213 Dated 20:29:01 12-12-91 28198 <--> 28253
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
L if I no.
Msg #28214 Dated 20:29:03 12-12-91 28199 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
No laff, just a plain holiday greeting to you, Cy, and anyone else
that accepts it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #28215 Dated 20:30:12 12-12-91 28130 <--> 28239
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I suppose, in _very_ general terms, a greater percentage of men than
women have a self-protectively skeptical attitude to the idea.
However, there is such a wide variety of responses that I think there
is little point in trying to determine genderal characterizations.
Msg #28217 Dated 20:33:42 12-12-91 28162 <--> 28219
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Quite obviously, if the tricks have external sources for their plots
and/or moves they are not uniquely Hartman's. However, there is an
established standard for attribution in the field, and by that standard
the book warrants description as being a collection of Hartman's work.
There's no reason why he should be penalized for his honest efforts in
listing sources!
Msg #28218 Dated 20:36:01 12-12-91 28194 <--> 28222
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You presume a great deal...
Msg #28219 Dated 21:07:35 12-12-91 28201 <--> 28241
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
I didn't know you were British.
Msg #28220 Dated 21:07:38 12-12-91 28202 <--> 28224
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Glad you talked to Doc Eason. Am looking 4ward to seeing him at
SLC. I always enjoy his work as I consider him to be in the top
10 bar workers of alla time (that I've seen) and maybe in the top 5 l
iving bar workers. Any luck on getting Doc behind the bar at SLC
Marriott or is the legal eagle (or is that beagle?) working on the
license?
Msg #28221 Dated 21:07:44 12-12-91 28203 <--> 28247
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
Trying to get some questions in case the lumpkins is tung tied and
cannot speak.
Msg #28222 Dated 21:07:47 12-12-91 28211 <--> 28229
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Genii is a magazine published out on the left coast by the same
dudes that run the Magic Castle.
Msg #28224 Dated 21:09:14 12-12-91 28202 <--> 28225
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Well, GET EASON TO LOG ON!!! He requested some info some time ago, but
maybe didn't have a modem at the time. He is more than welcome to join
us.
Msg #28225 Dated 21:10:20 12-12-91 28206 <--> 28276
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
PHOEY! You GOTTA have a band to greet us!
Msg #28226 Dated 21:12:52 12-12-91 28139 <--> 28244
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: HOLOGRAMS
Frank,
That's the fun part about any new project!
Let me know if you want some designs for mirrored entrances.
(different effects.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28227 Dated 21:12:57 12-12-91 28177 <--> 28232
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Hmmm, maybe I'll have to create some false toes to keep my false
finger in to keep my thumb tip in. False toes would make for
some interesting magic eh? Not necessarily good, but
interesting.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28228 Dated 21:13:02 12-12-91 28187 <--> 28281
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Marvin,
I, for one, would disagree with limiting the scope of the
conversations on this board to magic. While I agree that that
should be the main thrust, a lot of what this board is doing is
creating and fermenting friendships and relationships. Any
relationship that is based on one thing only is in pretty deep
trouble.
I've learned much about the participants of this board based on
non-magic writing, and have gained a view of their principals
which does directly affect the magic that is done.
I think that a round-table of intelligent people is too valuable
to limit so severly.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28229 Dated 21:13:10 12-12-91 28210 <--> 28231
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
What frustrates me is that Geller is not even a very good
magician. I've yet to see one of his stunts that I couldn't
reproduce. Maybe performance IS everything.
I keep thinking I could be a mediocre magician, or an excellent
psychic. And psychics are paid better.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28231 Dated 22:22:47 12-12-91 28218 <--> 28233
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
That's me, presumer extraordinaire. I gather that you feel that there
is more than one side to the story. Do you feel comfortable discussing
your views in greater detail, or does the spectre of all this legal
hashing about give you pause?
Msg #28232 Dated 22:25:32 12-12-91 28227 <--> 28235
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I thought about false toes, but to make 'em work, you have to do the
kind of magic that knocks their socks off.
Msg #28233 Dated 22:27:58 12-12-91 28212 <--> 28234
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: "I got you all beat... I have read my book!"
Yeah, but since T A hasn't reviewed it yet, how do we know if it's
good?
Msg #28234 Dated 22:26:12 12-12-91 28195 <--> 28256
From: EVAN KATZ
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
GENII? I got this month's GENII last week. It was that top secret,
long-in-the-making "Max Malini Uncovered" issue, where they revealed
for the first time all the puzzling Malini effects, includinf some
incredible loads, new principles, and an absolutely perfect pass that
can be done without cover, is indetectable, and is easy to perfect.
Unfortunately, there were mucho legal challanges, and the issue was
yanked before it was distributed to everyone.
Msg #28235 Dated 22:31:38 12-12-91 28204 <--> 28236
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Gr-r-r-r - One of these days I'll try to work on both bill switches and
see if my view comes out the same. Really, I'm not particularly biased
for or against the thumb tip in this particular effect, but it does
seem to me that, properly done, the tip method is smoother and
stronger.
Msg #28238 Dated 22:35:16 12-12-91 28209 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOK FOR SALE
Er, OK, thanks. I guess I didn't see Geno's buy message, just your
sell one. I've got Martin's lecture notes.
Msg #28239 Dated 22:36:19 12-12-91 28215 <--> 28287
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Hmmmm..... I don't know if it is "self-protectively skeptical" or just
a distrust of "intuition" on the part of many males. In general, in
our culture, it just seemed to me that women were more open to the idea
of mentalism than men were.
Msg #28240 Dated 22:38:43 12-12-91 -> 28288
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
I think that your idea of a "remake" of the Fitzkee trilogy is
interesting and that it would probably do a lot of good in that it
would mean that there were more books espousing the same important
viewpoints. But I don't find the Fitzkee books themselves to be at all
out of date. Except for a few of the examples and some of the changes
that have occurred in the language ("smart" meant something different
40 years ago) I find the trilogy to be very current.
Msg #28241 Dated 23:55:25 12-12-91 28170 <--> 28274
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Yea - like the rubber brain that Chazpro sells. Many people may think
it's a book on how to manipulate a physical brain prop.
Msg #28243 Dated 23:55:43 12-12-91 28128 <--> 28249
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Re S & R show when I said back, I meant seating location - not
backstage ! They are two separate things. The backstage tour is part
of DMS, whereas the show is an extra cost item - at least that's the
way I read it. Maybe Pete can verify.
Msg #28244 Dated 23:55:46 12-12-91
From: JERRY BURTON
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: HOLOGRAMS
Did you see my response to Kevin regarding the different types of
holograms ? If not, briefly there are two kinds popularily used. One
is the reflection hologram that can be seen in normal white light. Th
e light hits it from the front - all of the jewelry and stuff with
holograms use it. The other type are called transmission holographs.
You have to shine laser light on a PLATE from the rear and the human
eye reacts to the interference patterns the same as if it were
looking through a window and seeing the object(s). You can't tell the
difference, whether you are seeing the REAL objects being illuminated
as they were when the holograph was made or you are seeing the hologr
aphic reproduction.
.
There is no way to get a holograph to APPEAR in space, without an
intervening plate - just as if you projected a movie into space with-
out a screen to colimate and reflect the image back to you.
.
The only way to do what you want is to have a glass door with a
holographic plate on the back (inside) and then shine a laser on it
from the rear - rather than a door it could look like a hall or cave,
etc. When people came close to it you could shut off the laser and
the glass door entrance and the gift shop would APPEAR. A hologram
that large would cost a bundle - probably not worth it !
Msg #28245 Dated 23:56:03 12-12-91 28145 <--> 28258
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
I'm in the process of quitting as well - the msg should have read
I MAY STILL BE SMOKING. If you want to share, it will give me extra
incentive to stop for the week. Let me know.
Msg #28247 Dated 23:56:14 12-12-91 28173 <--> 28270
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
What is your favorite effect and why ?
Msg #28249 Dated 0:43:20 12-13-91 28243 <--> 28290
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS BASH
OK - I guess we haven't heard from any other MAGIC! members yet
concerning their desires for DMS scheduling, but if you will agree to
the early Lance Burton show, then I will agree to back area seating for
S&R.
Msg #28250 Dated 0:44:52 12-13-91 -> 28260
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Can we assume from its omission in your Paralax artice in M A G I C
this month that the horrific "Chink A Chink" is not based on a racial
slur, but that its name was derived onomatopoetically?
Msg #28252 Dated 1:02:26 12-13-91 -> 28294
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: M A G I C
Jerry--
As revenge for your early receipt of this month's issue of M A G I C,
(and other months as well), I am having your subscription changed.
From now on, your copy of M A G I C will be delivered to the University
of Southern California. Take the 10, exit at Vermont, go south, left
on Jefferson, main gate will be on your right. If you need further
help in finding the campus, please let me know.
Msg #28253 Dated 1:11:57 12-13-91 28159 <--> 28255
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
Re the Klause book; I have looked through the galleys, don't have the
book itself yet. From what I saw, looked like nothing revolutionary
but carefully worked out practical routines -- my impression based on
this cursory look is very favorable.
Msg #28255 Dated 1:16:31 12-13-91 28161 <--> 28295
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
Or 14 (Abbott) or 20 (Chung Ling Soo).
Msg #28256 Dated 1:20:45 12-13-91 28194 <--> 28257
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I should state for the record that in the current situation I
sympathize completely with Geller. Randi may not like Geller -- but
that does not give him the right to accuse Geller of serious offenses
without proof. After all -- isn't proof what Randi is all about?
Msg #28257 Dated 1:23:13 12-13-91 28229 <--> 28261
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You state that Geller isn't a good magician -- and then follow this
immediately with the statement that "...maybe performance IS
everything." Could you explain this?
Msg #28258 Dated 1:32:15 12-13-91 28129 <--> 28259
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
What's the difference between a skunk and a magician, both having been
run over in the road?
The skunk was on his way to a gig...
Msg #28259 Dated 1:33:58 12-13-91 28258 <--> 28269
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Yeah! And the magician was on his way back! Must have been a helluva
show with the skunk doing the closing act!
Msg #28260 Dated 2:09:02 12-13-91 28250 <--> 28271
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
To my knowledge, the name "Chink-A-Chink" is not derived from the
ethnic slur, but rather is a nonsense sound akin to "Sim Sala Bim."
That said, given that it is pronounced exactly the same as the slur,
I've long contended that magicians would be wise to discard the title,
at the very least in terms of public performance.
Msg #28261 Dated 2:11:29 12-13-91 28231 <--> 28278
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
T. A. has already stated the situation as I see it. The issue here in
terms of the current court case has nothing to do with how one
perceives Uri Geller in terms of legitimacy. It also has nothing to do
with the First Amendment. It has to do with libel.
Msg #28262 Dated 5:58:50 12-13-91 -> 28355
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LETTER
By all means send the letter, I'd like to see the response.
Charlie
Msg #28263 Dated 5:59:19 12-13-91 -> 28272
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HUGARDS
Richard tells me there are two good references in Hugard's Monthly
for linking rings. Did you find both?
Also, who do we talk to about becoming dealers at the IBM convention
in SLC?
Charlie
Msg #28264 Dated 6:00:50 12-13-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HARTMAN BOOK
We (H&R Magic Books) just got the new book in last week. I've only
had a quick glance at it. But it is impressive if for no other reason
than its size and all those illustrations. I've run through a few of
the effects and have found a couple I really like. It should be noted
that some of the material is from some of his earlier pamphlets. I'll
let you know more as I get a chance to read more of it.
Charlie
Msg #28269 Dated 7:50:40 12-13-91 28245 <--> 28463
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
If you aren't smoking I'll share. Note that at last talley the trop
will let me have a room for 19 clams a night soooo - you might wanna
share with me.
Msg #28270 Dated 7:50:44 12-13-91 28247 <--> 28277
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
Noted.
Msg #28271 Dated 7:50:47 12-13-91 28250 <--> 28293
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
I thought that the name - _chink a chink_- had something to do with
sound, not geography or race.
Msg #28272 Dated 7:50:50 12-13-91 28263 <--> 28301
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: HUGARDS
Talk to Obie.
Msg #28274 Dated 9:02:52 12-13-91 28217 <--> 28275
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Not intended to Penalize Hartman... just feel he is correct in
crediting all he can. Which is rare in so many cases. Sounds like a
MUST HAVE book.
Msg #28275 Dated 9:02:56 12-13-91 28219 <--> 28289
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HARTMAN
They don't call me a Wanker for no reason at all! (G,D,&,R) 28279
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
I mentioned it to the good Dr. and we have to wait to see what the
licence problem might be. El Doctoro did say... "I don't have to
pour drinks... why the license?"
.
Will sag jest this to the powah dat be...
.
Did you see Leno was at the White House? I missed 99-perecent of
it switchting TV channels... any body hear what he mite a sed?
.
Was Quail there? Hah....
Msg #28277 Dated 9:03:12 12-13-91 28221 <--> 28292
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
Never new anybody in majik to be tongue tide...
Msg #28278 Dated 9:03:15 12-13-91 28222 <--> 28282
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Nice to know. I thought the Castle was run by ART EXPERTS? ;+(
Msg #28279 Dated 9:03:18 12-13-91 28224 <--> 28280
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM
He tole me "I jus bought this hyear modem so I better use it..."
Msg #28280 Dated 9:03:21 12-13-91 28225 <--> 28315
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM
Some one said the old line... "Dis Band outa Dis Band"... argh?
Msg #28281 Dated 9:03:24 12-13-91 28228 <--> 28302
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
MOST FOLKS FORGET THAT There is a huge amount of magic and other
good stuff in the F>iles area... just go into F at the main menu
and browse, magic dudes...
Msg #28282 Dated 9:03:29 12-13-91 28229 <--> 28284
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
How many times have I said, here, "PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING"....
That's why the US Auto industry is in sheep dip rite now... the
public perception was that imported cars are better. You ever see
a 10 year old rusted out Honda creepin' down the hiway... every
thing loose and falling off?
Msg #28283 Dated 9:03:35 12-13-91 28232 <--> 28285
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Wearing a thumb tip is like going to bed (with someone) wearing
your shoes!
Msg #28284 Dated 9:03:39 12-13-91 28233 <--> 28298
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Good point Mr. Moot... T A, will, of course, in time, with great
interest, be supplied with an, unbound, of course, laser printed,
copy of the, yet to be published, more than a year of work, tome.
.
Not only that, I will send him a copy of the book.
.
He will be my spell checker! Her.... er Har?
Msg #28287 Dated 9:03:54 12-13-91 28239 <--> 28325
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Not "mentalism" I dont' think, but more open to belief in psychic
abilities... I have several women acquaintances that claim they
KNEW such and such was going to happen... that "She called me, and
I knew she was going to because I had just before thought about
her".... Never hear any dudes say stuff like that...
Msg #28288 Dated 9:04:00 12-13-91 28240 <--> 28326
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
What I REALLY mean is a current book on the needs of todays
audiences in the way of "look, attitude, style" and what kind of
work there is and what is needed to be INTO the latest good work.
That BOOK is probably around, but each chapter is in a different
work by different folks... Mebbe T A could put a biblio together
and sell it....
Msg #28289 Dated 9:04:08 12-13-91 28241 <--> 28314
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Is the Chazpro brain full size and real looking? I need a final
loat for a production at the table...
Msg #28290 Dated 9:04:12 12-13-91 28243 <--> 28461
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Yeppo indeedy the S&R Circus Extravaganze is an xtree cost...
Going to be over $70 per head soon -- if it isn't already... And
-you got no tipping to do tho... you get Ticketron type tickets
with a seat number. You might be able, if early, to request a
general location. IF YOU AREN'T IN THE MID ( from side to side )
area... stay home... altho the down in the pit seats might be
fun 'cause you is so close to the hanimals.... Elephant doo doo
will getcha... Or Panther something...
.
Seriously... if you HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS SHOW... DO IT...
Msg #28292 Dated 9:04:25 12-13-91 28247 <--> 28307
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
I will not answer your question to Tabman... but why not re-post
that to ALL. It would be interesting to hear... er read.
Msg #28293 Dated 9:04:29 12-13-91 28250 <--> 28300
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
I understand there is a group (God are there enough groups?????????)
trying to BAN such sayings as, "Chink in the Armor" .... Makes one
wanna puke... the controversy at one University is driving me
nuts too... one group (of Indians) wants them to DROP the use of
an indian name for their team. Another says, (and these guys I am
with)... "Hey... if it wasn't for the team HONORING us with the use
of our tribe's name... NOBODY WOULD KNOW THE NAME OF OUR TRIBE!"
.
Time for people to get their sense of lightness and humor back...
.
Lighten up world.... argh...
Msg #28294 Dated 9:04:41 12-13-91 28252 <--> 28347
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: M A G I C
What's the scoop on Genii being stopped in the mail???? Huh?
Inquiring dudes want to know.
Msg #28295 Dated 9:04:45 12-13-91 28253 <--> 28297
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
The Galleys were probably fine, reproduction-wise, but the book I
got was printed so dark (photos) you could barely make out what
you needed to see. Joe Stevens told me Klause himself was 'REALLY
UNHAPPY' with it....
.
Re: Content... I just hate (my own personal reasons) the switching
money with a Thumb Tip tricks... argh... so IT IMMEDIATELY TURNED
ME OFF...
.
That is why I told David I didn't want to review it, as I was
prejudiced against it because of that trick being in the front part
of the book.
.
NO QUESTION KLAUSE'S HANLDINGS are as thought-out and well-designed
as anyones... Just think there is too much of pictures of and
praise for the author in the book. Just personal observations.
.
Kinda like Phil Temple's books -- lead stuff is on the author...
.
There was a big time (but lousy) Indy Car team once. Big Money,
NO Talent... they put out a glorious Four Color book on the team,
the company, the driver, mechanics, etc... but the LEAD WAS A
FOUR PAGE SPREAD ON THE GUY THAT WROTE THE BOOK... It became the
laughing stock of the pressrooms!
.
I think a good approach on the 20 guys that wrote about Klause,
would have been to put the picture, DARYL, SKINNER, ETC., and
for Klause to have written about THEM.
.
That is the tack I am taking in my work right now. I talk about
others that have done good things with the trick, Haydn, Jay
Marshall, Koran, Namreh... I want to keep their names in the public
eye and get them all credit in one place...
.
And those that dug up the historic stuff for me... I credit them
for the find...
.
I think Caveney had a good line when he wrote about himself, "I
am not a creator, but a discoverer".... a great honest line.
.
I also like the line "I have a creative memory"...
.
Will let you know when I hit town. I think FOR SURE it will be
the Sunday in the Middle of Seabrooke's run, as I have a photo
shoot in Anaheim on the Saturday before.
.
Be in tuch.
Msg #28297 Dated 9:05:33 12-13-91 28255 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CLEVER GREETINGS
14 (Abbott) 20 (Soo) got to go back on the thread to see what this
refers to.
.
Good Chung Ling Soo story....
.
When Bobbi and I moved up to Mendocino we were looking for the
posters and art to hang up in the new house...
.
We thought we had labelled everything well. She said, "I can't find
the Chung Ling Soo poster"... so we went out looking again...
.
She said, looking thru the stacks, "here's one marked S&R, one
marked "Carter" one marked "500", is that the Indy 500 poster?"
I said, "I can't remember"... we went on... later I said, "I don't
recll and Indy 500 poster"... went out and opened it... it was
"SOO" the S looking like a 5.
.
Not a great story... but one that had to be told.
.
Bad part... she got it in the divorce... Only Magic Poster in the
world she liked because it didn't show any magic. Is "Chung Ling
Soo and his 10 Assistants" -- I think one hangs in the Castle at
the upstairs bar area. Was a gift from Seabrooke.
Msg #28298 Dated 9:05:56 12-13-91 28256 <--> 28299
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Randi story. I was with him in San Francisco years ago whilst he
was doing a TV Talk show debunking Geller. It ran late and we
rushed to the airport... The security crap had just been installed
and he rushed on in and BINGO... all the bells rang... the whole
deal went nuts... They were now going over him with the hand held
metal detectors... and DING DING DING.... All of a sudden he
remembered all the magnets he had taped to the inside of his
thighs.... FUNNY SCENE TO SAY THE LEAST....
.
First time I ever went thru Airport Security, was in East going to
Europe. They didn't have metal detectors yet, and were "quickly
frisking" everyone in a small cloth framed area.
.
A very SERIOUS-LOOKING Federal Agent looking kinda guy motions me
into the cabinet. Says, "raise your arms" ... he puts his arms
around me and starts the usual "frisk" motions... I say (we are
face to face) "CAN YOU GUESS MY WIEGHT?"
.
The poor guy fell apart with laughter. Couldn't continue... was a
complete melted down mass.... Fortunately, when he regained his
composure he said, "Get outa here..."
Msg #28299 Dated 9:06:17 12-13-91 28257 <--> 28303
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
It would really be interesting to checkd the 1040s of Geller vs.
Kreskin. Bet they are close!
Msg #28300 Dated 9:06:21 12-13-91 28260 <--> 28312
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
"Sim Sala Bim" comes from a Danish song for children. My mom used
to sing the whole thing... the rest of which I don't recall for
sure but goes something like, "Bala busa bum bay"... next time I
see here will see if she can enlighten me as to the actual lyric.
.
Some mage may not know that Dante was Jansen (with an E, generally
means Danish).
Msg #28301 Dated 9:06:29 12-13-91 28263 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: HUGARDS
Obie O'Brien is in charge... but to save you time I will, today,
unless the phone rings... MAIL YOU A FORM TO SEND IN.
.
I hope I found the TWO references Richard meant. One was the
story about the DAMAUTUS performance in Brussells around 1530...
and I actually found the 1949 Journal de la Prestidigitation that
Hugard quoted from... and found one of the people in Brussells
that was there (not in 1530, but at the 1949 re-enactment of the
command performance, with the SOLID SILVER 22lb set of rings).
.
Don't know what the other ref. might have been, but did find
several other interesting lines and comments.
.
My most recent discovery is that in the 1800s edition of "The
Magicians Own Book" Dick and Fitzgerald, the first published
work on the Rings in USA, WHERE IT SAYS, "GET A BLACKSMITH TO MAKE
.... ETC..." that Jay Marshall in the 30s did have a blacksmith
make his first set of rings. Brass and 11 of them. He even remembered
town and name of the blacksmith!
.
And Will Rock had German POWs that knew how to make thing in metal
fabricate a set of rings for him. He didn't want them to know the
secret so he didn't have them cut the key. He wound up not cutting
a key an devised a routine without one. I have that coming. I
also have the engineering drawings coming from England on the
first "locking key" set... as well as the Paul Fox engineering
drawing for his rings...
.
This book project has turned into a GREAT BIT OF FUN, DETECTIVE
WORK...
.
oh, while I got your attention... need a copy (not recent reprint)
of HOYAM... got one?
Msg #28302 Dated 9:07:01 12-13-91 28228 <--> 28308
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
I think El Sysop is close to having a couple of 'CHANNELS' so the
"see you at lunch" messages can be left out of your reading if
you don't want to... Frankly, I hope there is an 'ALL' switch...
when Using IMP! it takes less than 2 minutes on the phone line
for almost any operation I ever do. (Downloading some files can
take longer, but I do that after Midnight).
.
Side note. Phone company just screwed up and sent ME SOMEONE
ELSES CREDIT CARD... BOY I HOPE THE GUY THAT GOT MINE IS AS HONEST
AS I AM... I ONLY PLAN TO CALL INSIDE THE USA.... ? ;+)
Msg #28303 Dated 9:07:12 12-13-91 28229 <--> 28313
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Name me one psychic that A: Really is, or B: Is paid more than
Copperfield. (FOR SURE).
Msg #28305 Dated 9:07:36 12-13-91 28235 <--> 28322
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
THINK ABOUT THIS. When you see somone like (sadly he is gone) a
Johnny Paul, Larry Jennings, Jay Marshall (yes Jay) or (again
deceased) Frank Shields... take a bill. Seemingly just CASUALLY
fold it up and tear it up... tossing the pieces away... or making
a 5 into a 100 --- YOU SEE REALLY STRONG MAGIC.
.
When you see a magic dude doing the "slow challenge to you" fold
and unfold ( AND THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD TO DO THIS CASUALLY,
OR WITHOUT STARING AT THE BILLS YOURSELF... AT THE MOMENT OF THE
SWITCH) with the TTip.... AFTER you have seen the effect done
without one... WHY BOTHER.... AND... AND... AND...
.
WHO THE HECK NEEDS THAT "OTHER" FOREIGN, SECRET DEVICE in your
hands at the same time you folding and unfolding a bill. If anyone
wanders to your side YOU ARE DEAD MEAT!
.
Prove to me it is even close to as good and I will never post
another message on this board. EVER.
.
That's not a fair deal...
.
Just think about it.
.
Try this. Fold a bill to about 1x1 (1 less fold than the TTip mode)
.
Finger palm it. Take another bill fold to the same size. (I will
try to draw this below.
-----
| |
----
| |
----
.
This should be 2 bills, overlapped, the orig away from you.
(can be reversed if you are better doing with left hand)... LOOK
at your audience... make a comment... forget your hands and the
bill(s)... on the laugh or reaction, with one hand, pull the
borrowed bill back and push the switcher forward. Finger palm the
borrowed. Now, you can do one of many things. Go into pocket for
a match (ditch the bill) burn the visible bill. Or get a large
paper clip... or clothes pin... something to hold the bill.
A little tiny magic wand... a crystal... ANYTHING NATURAL TO YOU.
.
The work is done... then let 'em wait before you reproduce it...
.
let 'em sweat... I HATE FOLDING IT UP IT CHANGES YOU REFOLD IT AND
IT CHANGES BACK... WHAT KIND OF THEATER IS THAT...??????
.
By now gthe rest of the board must fell I am going nuts over this.
.
NOT SO... It is just the point that it is important to take this
stuff and THINK ABOUT IT... is it good magic for the audience?
Is it good theater? Is it easy enough to do so you THINK ONLY OF
the audience and presentation. Is it OK if someone moves to your
side to look?
.
Does it look LIKE you are showing someone HOW CLEVER YOU ARE AND
*ISSING THEM OFF....
.
I rest.
Msg #28307 Dated 9:08:36 12-13-91 28247 <--> 28316
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
Second time thru I am going to get started by answering your message
nr. 28247 "What is your favorite effect and why?"
.
Fave close up: WAS Johnny Paul's tearing up a bill, making it float
into a glass (you can see this on his video... real magic).
Fave card trick: Super Count (done by the late Frank Shields).
(note: both bar magicians)
Fave stage trick: Kaps smoking thumb.
Fave Illusion: Was Lady Without Middle (Blackstone Sr.) NOW:
Copperfield Flying.
Fave Close Up trick I DO: Edward Victor Bat Trick
Fave Stage Trick I DO: Linking Rings
.
Least favorite tricks: Zombie, Double Dove production. Just like
the thumb tip bill switch... WHEN you see a bird worker tie two
silks together and put the knot in his mouth IS THERE ANYONE OUT
THERE THAT DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IS COMING...
.
Least fave close up trick: Any version of cup and something where
the mage FLASHES HIS/HER LOADS AND WORKS IT TOO LONG.
Least fave card trick: Any worker that shuffles, leans back and
looks at the cards as they slowly shuffle and count ... WHO ARE
THEY FOOLING?????????
Msg #28308 Dated 9:39:03 12-13-91 28228 <--> 28320
From: MARVIN STERN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
You may have missed the long ago conversations re: this subject.
It never suggested that the topics be limited.
What was suggested that when leaving a message on MAGIC that there be
several catagories of messages, one being computers.SO that a member
signing on, if they were not interested in computer talk, he does't
check into that catagory and doesn't have to read that, but can read
all other messages.
Msg #28312 Dated 10:15:22 12-13-91 28260 <--> 28349
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Since it would appear that the "Chink" in "Chink-A-Chink" is not
related to the ethnic slur, it would appear to be a legitimate term.
There is a word, chink, that is not derived from anything connected
with Chinese. To eliminate all words which have the potential for
sounding like slurs would require a massive change in language.
Msg #28313 Dated 10:26:12 12-13-91 28284 <--> 28317
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I already know that it is gonna be S-O-M-E book! I'm just glad you
finally got around to doin' it.
Msg #28314 Dated 10:31:24 12-13-91 28275 <--> 28329
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Just don't say THE R WORD!!
Msg #28315 Dated 10:31:26 12-13-91 28276 <--> 28318
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
I think they said that anybody behind the bar has to have one of
those licenses unless of course he sings in the choir.
Msg #28316 Dated 10:31:30 12-13-91 28277 <--> 28331
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
That's a good point. Also, most of the guys registered so far for
the conclave are far from lumpins.
Msg #28317 Dated 10:31:33 12-13-91 28278 <--> 28327
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Haven't heard much ado about the winged (caped) sculpture in front
of the Castle lately. Have they moved it yet? or do you kno??
Msg #28318 Dated 10:34:03 12-13-91 28279 <--> 28319
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
Great! Will look forward to seeing the Doctor around here. If he
needs any help getting started, he can call me voice.
Msg #28319 Dated 10:35:32 12-13-91 28280 <--> 28330
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
RE: "Dis Band outa Dis Band"
Whew! Aren't we lucky that "Band" isn't a racial slur!
Msg #28320 Dated 10:36:58 12-13-91 28281 <--> 28321
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Thanks for reminding everyone to go to the Files area, Pete. There is
indeed some very good stuff there.
Msg #28321 Dated 10:38:25 12-13-91 28302 <--> 28400
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
They sent you someone else's phone credit card??!!??? You could
probably make national news with that story!
Funniest bit that I ever knew of happened to an acquaintance of mine.
His company was called "E. Murphy & Company," named after the Murphy
behind Murphy's Law (I think there is now a tele show with that name -
he wasn't talking about that). Anyway, someone got his PIN and royally
ripped off calls all over the World, some $ 11,000+ in one month. The
calls were placed from a hotel in San Diego. When he argued with phone
co., they checked with hotel and found out that a "MR. MURPHY" _had_
been there at the time, so they said, "Your company President made the
calls." He had a devil of a time proving otherwise!
Msg #28322 Dated 10:43:33 12-13-91 28283 <--> 28323
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
RE: "Waring a thumb tip is like going to bed (with someone) wearing
your shoes!"
Er, why would I want to go to bed with someone who was wearing my
shoes?
Msg #28323 Dated 10:45:54 12-13-91 28305 <--> 28333
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I think that the great part of this is what you mentioned at the end of
your message (the rest was good too!) - that the really important part
is to THINK ABOUT IT. To think about what the effect means, what it
does, and the way that _YOU_ want to do it. I still don't see where
either method is "better," despite your description. Personally, I
like having the extra bill palmed LESS than I like having the thumb
tip, but you are 1,000% correct that the focus should be on what you
want to achieve, not on how it is done.
Msg #28325 Dated 10:53:09 12-13-91 28287 <--> 28386
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
It pretty much seems that way to me too - that women may be more
receptive/open to the idea of psychic abilities. Maybe they don't
carry around as much excess baggage in this area as men do.
Msg #28326 Dated 10:55:01 12-13-91 28288 <--> 28335
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Hmmm... Maybe you should consider doing "Book Two" as an anthology of
performance hints and insights drawn from the existing literature?
SERIOUS - I think you are on to something here, Biro.
Msg #28327 Dated 11:16:51 12-13-91 28317 <--> 28345
From: MARVIN STERN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Sculpture was still there last week.
Am leaving in about 10 minutes to meet David at the Castle for lunch
and will let you know afterwards.
But my feeling is that it is still there.
Later.
Msg #28329 Dated 13:22:55 12-13-91 28314 <--> 28339
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Which R word?
Msg #28330 Dated 13:22:58 12-13-91 28315 <--> 28332
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IBM
I dunno... if Johnny Biscuit (only a few lucky ones know who tht
is.... ahha) was standing behind the bar telling stories, would he
need a bartender's license???
Msg #28331 Dated 13:23:03 12-13-91 28316 <--> 28341
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
LUMP IN... that's it... not lumpKins?
Msg #28332 Dated 13:23:06 12-13-91 28319 <--> 28340
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IBM
It is in certain tribes of aborigines.
Msg #28333 Dated 13:23:09 12-13-91 28322 <--> 28334
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
You got it... shoes under the sheets are very unromantique....
Msg #28334 Dated 13:23:11 12-13-91 28323 <--> 28342
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Your welcome... now do you want my theory on the magnetic mechanical
Chink-a-Chink? The coin that jumps up? The card backpalming? The
fact that all those that STOLE Cardini's act TOOK THE WRONT PART...
They didn't even get the POINT of his performance?
.
Do you Know Cardini was the first to DISCOVER the "oversize" ring
for counting the Linking Rings?
.
Does anyone think Cardini got his name from 'CARDANO' ???? THIS I
WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT.... FOR SURE!!!!!!!
.
Does Card Mondor have a brogther named Silk Mondor? (Very few will
get that gag).
Hahh.. UPS AT DOOR...
.
GOT MY FIRST XMAS GIFT... NOT OPENED IT YET...JUST DID...
.
IS VERY INSIDE GAG... Video tape to put you to sleep... called,
"How to count sheep".... argh....
Msg #28335 Dated 13:23:31 12-13-91 28326 <--> 28369
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Remind me... I already have FOUR TITLES UNDER WAY... Walter B.
Gibson, look out...
.
Do you know that Gibson had more than one book at a time going,and
each was being done on a DIFFERENT typewriter in a DIFFERENT room.
He would go into a room and the mood would be for the book underway,
and could jump to another room and be INTO the other plot, etc....
.
Nifty stuff.
Msg #28336 Dated 13:23:41 12-13-91 -> 28343
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Ee;28327
HERE IS A RUNDOWN OF THE MATERIAL IN THE NEW KLAUSE BOOK, "Roger
Klause in Concert" -- Orchestrated and Arranged by Lance Pierce.
.
Hardbound, 8 1/2 x 11, Blue with Beautiful Dust Jacket. Four color
pic of Klause entertaining Roy, of S&R with Muhamad Ali, while his
wife Wanda watches (on back of jacket). 255 pages.
.
Tricks include: Miser's Cornucopia (coins produced from rolled bill),
Smokeless (vanish of cig), Sponge and Sleeve, $100 Bill Change, Torn
Restored Bill, Even Monehy, Cheque and Chimericl Bill (all thumb tip
work with Roger's excellent handling and his PHILOSOPHY of the "Half
Move" (worthy of study even if you (like I) don't like thumb tip
work of this type.
.
Oh, Billusion and The Operator are two more bill/Ttip effects. This
takes us up through page 104. All the descriptions are EXCELLENT,
but S A D L Y either the photos were poorly done or the printer
totally blew it... many of the snaps are TOO DARK to see clearly.
You can work it out... but in a big beautiful book like this the
half tones deserve much better.
.
I have been told by a third party that Roger was very unhappy
about this.
.
About a dozen pages on card handling, Soft Double and a killer
block transfer system and GREAT HANLDING on Herbie Zarrow's wonderful
shuffle are included. Good, NO TRICKS!
.
a HANDLING of the Purse Frame follows with a very Ramsay/Vernon
approach for the set up. Good.
.
Roger next includes HIS handling for the Seabrooke Note in Wallet.
Just the part of copping the note from the envelope. No routine, as
you are suggested to work out your own.
.
A 3 coins across, with an expanded shell follows. Very very good
stuff here.. Klause at his best.
.
Another trio of card things is next, I like the Bantam Card, a fun
routine with a single mini in a regular deck.
.
NEXT is a gem... it is a four ring linking ring routine to Rhyming
Patter. He then follows with the suggestion to do Whit Haydn's
four ring routine next. Since Whit's effect is still marketed by
Magic Inc., it is not described. (Too bad for me too, wanted to
include it in my ring encyclopedia).
.
Roger's subtle die tube handling is now explained in Red and White
(a color change thru hands silk routine).
.
Roger's idea for setting and working the Koran Ring-Flite is next.
His "get set" is a good idea.
.
The final item is his version of the Himber Linking Finger Rings.
I have not gone over the details of it here... there are many
ways to do this, it is a great effect.
.
I guess the reproduction of the pictures is just one item that
bothers me, but the material is worth the effort and you can still
see good enough to make out the details in the photos.
.
Things like that just happen.
.
There are, however, 20 letters (along with pix of each person) to
Roger... I feel this was a bit much as each is telling us how
great they think Roger is... I think his material would tell us
that and it was a bit of overkill. I would like to have seen
Roger tell us what he thought of each of the guys pictured!!!
.
It's only my opinion, but.... (line at left from Clarke Crandall)
who REALLY TOLD IT LIKE IT WAS....
.
SALEH, as someone else used to say....
Msg #28337 Dated 13:24:54 12-13-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: KLAUSE BOOK
I think I missed a trick in my last run through of the book. I recall
reading somegthing in there about his handling of the Conrad Haden
Double Copper/Silver (which historically was considered the best thing
Klause had done). Joe Stevens hs just re-issued that coin set with Ken
Brooke's original "Chinese Bit" routines (and Roy Johnson's routine
too). Bye
Msg #28339 Dated 14:20:17 12-13-91 28329 <--> 28357
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
The one that starts with rog!!!
Msg #28340 Dated 14:20:20 12-13-91 28330 <--> 28367
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
I dunno either. Would guess that it's a job for the facilities
interface. Stratman??
Msg #28341 Dated 14:20:23 12-13-91 28331 <--> 28399
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
I thought it was sort of like munchkin only lunchkin! The tabman
is a lunchkin arond noontime!
Msg #28342 Dated 14:20:27 12-13-91 28334 <--> 28358
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Richard and Swan Cardini are featured in this months M.U.M. mag
Msg #28343 Dated 14:20:29 12-13-91 28336 <--> 28350
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
I ordered the new ANVERDI book a couple of weeks ago from Stevens
but have of yet to get it. Have you seen a copy yet? It is to be
heavy on his electronic stuff and I'm certainly interested.
Msg #28345 Dated 15:15:41 12-13-91 28256 <--> 28346
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You know, I'm at a great disadvantage for discussion here, as I'm
clearly not in possession of nearly enough facts to form an opinion.
Am I to assume that these days Geller is admitting that he is an
entertainer, and not a true psychic?
Msg #28346 Dated 15:17:06 12-13-91 28261 <--> 28348
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
As I commented to T.A., I am clearly at a lack of knowledge here. I
will now educate myself, starting with the current issue of M A G I C,
if it ever arrives...
As I asked T A, are you aware of whether or not Geller is billing
himself as an entertainer, or still claiming psychic powers... Another
interesting thought -- if he is not billing himself as an entertainer,
and as one of true abilities, where do you draw the line between he and
Kreskin? I saw Kreskin recently on cable, and he didn't preface or
follow his performance with any kind of disclaimer, nor should he. By
the same token, I'm sure it would castrate your performance to let the
audience know specifically that you were more magician than psychic.
So, my question is, at one point are you defrauding the publicw?
Clearly on some level the public UNDERSTANDS that you and Kreskin are
entertainers, and are not true, pyschically powerful beings. But in
Geller's case in the seventies at least, one sensed that the public did
not have the same understanding. Let me restate that -- there was much
dicussion that the public did not have that understanding. So -- where
do you draw the line, and how do you communicate the "truth" to the
audience without... well, communicating the truth?
Msg #28348 Dated 15:54:47 12-13-91 28299 <--> 28351
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
No they're not.
Msg #28349 Dated 15:55:11 12-13-91 28312 <--> 28375
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
At no point did I sugest eliminating all words which have the potential
for sounding like slurs. Indeed, the term "chink" when used to describe
a cut in a surface is clearly unrelated to the ethnic slur. The title
of the object-assembly trick, on the other hand, has no frame of
reference to the ears of laypeople, and can easily be taken as being a
derogatory title. In fact, I have spoken with laypeople who had just
that reaction.
My comment, I must emphasize, had nothing to do with the "p.c."
movement; as clearly stated in my essay, I do not like or approve of
that. However, I think any magician who continues to use "Chink-A-
Chink" as a public title is an idiot.
Msg #28350 Dated 15:59:41 12-13-91 28336 <--> 28359
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
As a pro photographer you of all people should know that things like
the dark resolution on the photos in the Klause book _don't_ "just
happen."
Msg #28351 Dated 16:01:00 12-13-91 28346 <--> 28361
From: MAX MAVEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Again, the issue in the Geller/Randi suit has nothing to do with how
Geller represents himself.
Regarding my own work, how do you know that I am "specifically ... more
magician than psychic"?
Msg #28354 Dated 16:24:06 12-13-91 -> 28379
From: MARVIN STERN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CASTLE
Yep. It's still there.
Msg #28355 Dated 18:01:08 12-13-91 28262 <-
From: STAN LAKE
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: LETTER
I got quite a different response from our sysop. I said I must have
had one too many beers before writing it and if I sent it out it would
be in a watered down version. Don't want to drag Magic! into a
libelous lawsuit!
Msg #28357 Dated 20:14:14 12-13-91 28339 <--> 28380
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: HARTMAN
I didn't want to Crab about it, dudeman.... hjar
Msg #28358 Dated 20:14:17 12-13-91 28342 <--> 28368
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Since I don't get it... let me know what it say... xeorx?
Msg #28359 Dated 20:14:20 12-13-91 28343 <--> 28363
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
I dunno... but Joe tole me he broke all records and shipped 100
orders last Monday.... yar.... leme know if you want his fax no.
Msg #28361 Dated 20:14:34 12-13-91 28346 <--> 28373
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I guess the same way all the TV commercials do... NOT AT ALL...
Msg #28363 Dated 20:14:39 12-13-91 28350 <--> 28364
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Well, sometimes the engraver can take what seems to be, when viewed
under good conditions and screw it completely. A good viewing print,
actually IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT FOR REPRODUCTION.
That is one reason I am having a San Fran-based Advertising artist
friend do as many line drawings FROM PHOTOS as possible... and the
photos to be used shall be made from VELOX PRINTS THAT I GET MADE
AND OK! You would think Louis would have known the prints, if
darkish... should have been re-done????? It is, no matter what the
fault... TOO BAD.
Msg #28364 Dated 21:04:23 12-13-91 28336 <--> 28371
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Just got off the phone with Scott Wells who just spend a few days with
Roger K. He said that Roger spent a whole lot of sleepless nights
upset about the way the pix look in the book. If you compare the
"Smokeless" pix in the book with those in the new issue of M A G I C,
you'll see that the book pictures were not screened properly. In
short, Roger was mucho pissed. It wasn't his fault and it really is a
shame. Otherwise, a killer book!
Msg #28365 Dated 21:07:25 12-13-91 28033 <--> 28388
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
Yes...at the President's request, the mage tried and tried to make Pat
Buchanan disappear!!! Every time the mage made ol' Pat vanish, he'd
re-appear in New Hampshire!
'W.
Msg #28367 Dated 21:44:33 12-13-91 28332 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM
RE: "It is in certain tribes of aborigines."
Damn! Looks like I can't say "Band" when around the abos. Ooops!,
guess I can't say "Abos" either!
Msg #28368 Dated 21:46:03 12-13-91 28333 <--> 28370
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
RE: "Shoes under the sheets are very unromantique."
It is the sheets that are unromantic! There are most certainly
cultures in which the right shoes can most certainly be regarded as
erotic - our own has been one of them. And in China for several
thousand years shoes and feet (women's shoes and feet) were regarded as
the center of both romance and erotic activity.
Msg #28369 Dated 23:20:52 12-13-91 28335 <--> 28430
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
OK, I will try to remind you about the anthology after you do the other
books.
You could emulate Gibson electronically by using four different word
processors.
Msg #28370 Dated 23:25:22 12-13-91 28334 <--> 28381
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
RE: Magnetic mechanical Chink-A-Chink/coin that jumps up/card
backpalming/Cardini
No thanks - I don't want any of the above. I've decided that magic is
too difficult - I'm going back to a life of computer hacking.
Msg #28371 Dated 23:30:45 12-13-91 28336 <--> 28382
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Thanks for your review of the Klause book! I glimpsed a copy today in
the Castle Library's office, but T A was between me and it and he can
indeed look menacing.
A lot of the material sounds good - very good. Sigh. Guess I'll have
to save up my pennies and get a copy.
Msg #28373 Dated 23:49:26 12-13-91 28299 <--> 28374
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I think Geller's income is several times that of George the K.
Msg #28374 Dated 23:50:01 12-13-91 28345 <--> 28377
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
He's not admitting anything.
Msg #28375 Dated 23:52:08 12-13-91 28312 <--> 28376
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Theoretically true, perhaps -- but in the specific case here, it seems
little trouble to eliminate a potentially offensive term which is
nonsensical ANYWAY -- ChinkAChink is either gibberish or annoying, and
I think entertainers should hold to a higher sensitivity on these
matters than those who may use such terms in casual conversation.
Msg #28376 Dated 23:38:40 12-13-91 28349 <--> 28389
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
In general I think that the use of titles or names to magic effects is
largely supererogatory in performance for laypersons. And it doesn't make
much difference whether that title is "Chink-A-Chink" or "Professor's
Nighmare."
I must admit though, that while I would probably be in essential
agreement with a great deal of what you wrote in your Parallax column,
I did find that there was a certain definite P.C. "spin" to it. And
that clearly, both in your comments there and your comments here, you
feel compelled to attempt to state that it is not an example of that,
so something seems to be haunting you about being too close to that
brand of thinking. Perhaps that is a topic too long to go into here;
certainly, I am unwilling to do so.
I would point out though that dismissing anyone who doesn't agree with
you as either a "moron" (the Parallax column) or an "idiot" (here) is
generally considered a logical fallacy and a sign of a weak argument.
And that although the terms are generally archaic, both moron and idiot
have precise medical definitions which their casual use abuses.
Msg #28377 Dated 23:55:45 12-13-91 28303 <--> 28396
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete -- if I named you an A you wouldn't believe it, and as far as B --
probably Geller.
Msg #28379 Dated 0:00:53 12-14-91 28354 <--> 28387
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: CASTLE
Has everybody gotten used to it or just tired of the clamor?
Msg #28380 Dated 0:00:55 12-14-91 28357 <--> 28401
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Deudman,
The Nashville magicians came through for me tonight. A close up
jam session at a guys house. They are wanting to do something for
the good of it all and I like that attitude. Was over there til now-
2am cst.
Msg #28381 Dated 0:01:01 12-14-91 28358 <--> 28403
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
You got it.
Msg #28382 Dated 0:01:03 12-14-91 28359 <--> 28383
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
I have the order line fax number at Steven's. Is that the one you
use??
Msg #28383 Dated 0:01:07 12-14-91 28364 <--> 28427
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
The word here in Music City is that the book has some excellent
stuff in it but the photos are dark.
Msg #28385 Dated 0:01:18 12-14-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: WELCOME
Doc, I know you'll be here in a day or two so I thought I'd say hey,
and congratulations. It took a real magician to find me!!! See you in
SLC.
Msg #28386 Dated 0:03:07 12-14-91 28287 <--> 28406
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I don't know what the figures are for the general population, but for
college-age males and females the statistics for belief in psychic,
occult, etc., are very close.
Msg #28387 Dated 23:55:46 12-13-91 28354 <--> 28436
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CASTLE
To the best of my knowledge (I haven't yet read all of the new
messages) no-one has reported on activities today, so I'll take a shot
at it.
I met Marvin Stern for lunch at the Castle today. We were joined by
Stan Lake, who had an appointment with Kevin and Karrie (sp.?) Curtin
but who had apparently misplaced them. After lunch, the Curtins caught
up with us and we attended Joe Farina's close-up show. Joe does a nice
job and it was a lot of fun to watch him work.
Marvin then went back to his office and Stan, Kevin, Karrie and I
toured the Castle. We caught part of a Parlour audition which was
pretty good (alas, I didn't get the mage's name) and which included a
"dinnerware into balloon" bit that was very intriguing. We then went
down to the Library (by special appointment) and chatted with T A for
a few minutes.
Stan had to leave, but the Curtins and I went down to Marvin's office
for what I will call the $ 126 Pizza Caper (Marvin doesn't know about
this yet). Knowing that the Curtins had not yet had lunch due to the
mixup, Marvin had two terrific pizzas waiting for us (the man is a real
Prince!). He robbed his own soda machine of drinks, took us on a tour
of his facility, and entertained us with some really good card tricks.
We had a great time! OK, how does the $ 126 Pizza Caper play into all
this? Well, I figure Marvin must have paid at least $ 20 for the
pizzas (they were really good) and when we left we found out that we
had parked in the wrong time zone and been ticketed for $ 53 each! As
Biro would probably say - AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Oh, well - that last packet trick was a killer!
Msg #28388 Dated 0:06:07 12-14-91 28365 <--> 28428
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
Ah, now I understand why they didn't mention the mage's name - the
trick (making Buchanan disappear) didn't work! Funny, the next day
Leno was at the White House and CNN didn't say "a comic."
Msg #28389 Dated 0:08:06 12-14-91 28375 <--> 28390
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
As I just finished noting to Max, I've never thought it was
particularly significant in most cases to name an effect during a
performance for laypersons. Most of the names mean little to them and
the incorporation of the name probably distracts from the general
performance. So the suggestion that no-one ever name "Chink-A-Chink"
doesn't bother me much.
As to the need for entertainers to hold to a "higher sensitivity on
these matters" it seems to me that it was only yesterday (OK, maybe a
few months ago, you know how time flies when you are having fun) that
you suggested to me that entertainers (artists) where not obliged to
any ethical standards. Why should this be different?
Msg #28390 Dated 0:13:47 12-14-91 28389 <--> 28392
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
It isn't the same thing at all. What we're talking about here is doing
something offensive UNINTENTIONALLY. Any artist is likely to offend
some people -- and while that may not be his or her aim, they can't be
concerned with it. Offending someone for no artistic reason is
entirely different.
Msg #28392 Dated 0:20:49 12-14-91 28390 <--> 28466
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
I'm afraid I easily get lost in some distinctions, T A. Seriously, I'm
not sure I understood what you said, and my first few replies were not
of the sort that would have done the topic any justice. Perhaps you
would be kind enough to back up to my message # 28389 and then to your
message # 28390 and to expand upon the distinction that you see?
P.S. - "first few replies" above refers to responses that I
contemplated and rejected.
Msg #28393 Dated 0:29:35 12-14-91 -> 28412
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAC CONSULTANT
Have we got any Mac people on here who would be willing to field
occasional technical support to other MAGIC! members who use Macs? A
volunteer or two could be of big help!
Msg #28396 Dated 0:36:03 12-14-91 28351 <--> 28404
From: EVAN KATZ
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Read "I'm sure it would castrate your performance to let the audience
know specifically that you were more magician than psychic," as "I'm
sure it would make your show less mysterious, dramatic and effective if
you prefaced the show with a statement that made it clear that you do
not possess genuine psychic abilities, and that the following effects
are accomplished through means other than those of genuine mind
reading and the like."
Unless of course you have genuine psychic abilities, at which point it
would seem to make more sense to concentrate lesson our art, and more
on the stock market!
Any thoughts on the general question I posited? What is the
performer's responsibility to the audience in this regard? Are there
non-verbal ways of communicating the true nature of your powers to the
audience?
Msg #28398 Dated 0:51:20 12-14-91 28146 <--> 28439
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
I sent a few notes Priv, but must have gotten lost in the move,
so here goes.
Lost one bird mysteriously a while back. A few hundred bux later,
lab work showed Psitticosis, very contagious and potentially
deadly to all my flock. Have been dosing everybody in the house
since then (not fun since some are not tame!). This happened
about the time the car broke down to the tune of another two
hundred or so. Last week I was riding my motorcycle home from
work and my clutch cable snapped and I coasted to the nearest pay
phone. Called my wife only to find out someone just stole the
plates off our car! After a long nite with a tow truck and police
reports, got home to find Pete's notes in the mail box (thanks
Pete for rescuing an otherwise awful week). Tonight, came home to
find my dog ATE my MC boots. Other than that, nothing much
happening. And you?
Look for a UPS pkg in about a week.
Didn't have a chance to read Ackerman's notes, but they looked
well made. Comb bound 8.5 x 11, about 20 pages Laser typeset,
nice covers. In my opinion, he is a true Amateur(in the nicest
sense),involved in magic purely for the sheer joy of it. Always
smiling, willing to help out anyone who asks. It seems he's not
one to jealously guard his secrets, as I've seen him gladly
explain any or all his work with anyone who is interested.
Mentioned MAGIC! to him a few times. With him owning a computer
business, he shouldn't have any trouble finding a machine,
finding TIME is another matter. One of these days, maybe.
All of us in Vegas are anxiously awaiting our January SAM meeting
where he has promised to share his Castle lecture with us.
Met Howie Schwartzman last week, he says to tell you and everyone
else "HI". Showed us some wonderful stuff. Geno bought one of the
prettiest mirror penetrations I've ever seen, and I picked up a
set of wallets for an effect he calls Leather Impact. Very clean
card routine involving enclosing each card in a leather pouch to
prevent (?) any tricky moves. Actually makes Elmsley, Jordan and
other counting moves a BREEZE. Once Howie brought out his VISA
machine, he kept it busy the rest of the night.
Hope to see you at DMS, (hope I can GET to DMS, my supr just
informed me of a possible trip in March. This has fallen on DMS
weekend four out of the last five years. Last year I got lucky.)
David (the other one)
Msg #28399 Dated 0:51:58 12-14-91 28173 <--> 28915
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
Definitely NOT "How'd you DO that???" Any more I don't care HOW
as much as WHY. What got them interested in magic? Why did they
choose their character? Why did they choose their particular
effects? What do they want magic historians fifty years from now
to remember them for? etc, etc,...
David (the other one)
Msg #28400 Dated 0:52:05 12-14-91 28187 <--> 28407
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
I still vote for some sections, but people must remember most of
us have TWO common interests that brought us together, magic AND
computers. I'm forever messing with mine trying to do something
to make life easier, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. With my
automated downloads, I'm on and off in under a minute, sometimes
as little as ten seconds. That's worth talking about! That's MY
kind of magic! But, definitely keep working on sections, just
remember I don't want to miss anything, I want ALL sections, ALL
the time!
David (the other one)
Msg #28401 Dated 0:52:15 12-14-91 28289 <--> 28455
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Re: Chazpro Trick Brain: Yes it's full size for some, grossly
oversized for others.
I wonder which one applies to us Magicalguys?
(here's one for Max) >;-)
David (the other one)
Msg #28403 Dated 0:56:38 12-14-91 28232 <--> 28422
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
David,
The secret to all performing is to knock your own socks off, then
the audience is sure to follow.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28404 Dated 0:56:43 12-14-91 28257 <--> 28405
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
T.A.,
Okay, I'll explain. I was wrong.
Okay, not wrong, but using my words imprecisely. When I said he
wasn't a good magician, I meant that his illusions were
unsophisticated enough, that I, a non-professional, could
determine and duplicate the effect. (These are only effects I've
seen, and I have definitely NOT seen everything he does. [That
was Kevin covering himself.])
I should not have used the word "magician" only in the context of
the illusions, as the performance and the manipulation of the
audience is as much a part of being a magician as the illusion.
Make sense?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28405 Dated 0:56:50 12-14-91 28282 <--> 28408
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
On the other hand, when I bought (lo, those many years ago) a
brand new '77 Toyota Celica, I didn't have a friend who owned an
American car of the same year, who didn't have problems with it.
My Celica was a great little car. In other words, once a
perception is accepted, it is hell getting rid of it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28406 Dated 0:56:56 12-14-91 28287 <--> 28423
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Pete,
I've got to jump in here, and say I agree with you. I have a
friend (female) who believes so strongly in psychic powers, that
even when I duplicate to the letter a feat she will point to as
proof of psychic abilities, she won't even CONSIDER the
possibility that she is wrong. I am very much a skeptic on this
matter. I can't say that it doesn't exist, but I've yet to see
proof that it does.
I also agree that Randi (whom I admire for the most part) will go
overboard with his "proving" that psyhic phenomenon doesn't
exist. He says that he is trying to arrive at the truth, but he
really bends over backwards to find ANY possible explanation.
i.e. not Occam's razor, but using a given that psychic phenomenon
does not exist.
On the third hand, Geller has been CAUGHT cheating. This
destroys, in my mind at least, the possibility that the man is
legitimate.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28407 Dated 0:57:05 12-14-91 28302 <--> 28409
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Pete,
I was going to suggest that there be some command that would give
one all the messages, because I ENJOY reading them.
I've got bad news for you, they sent your credit card number with
Geno's name on it to Geno, and he's going to Japan again.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28408 Dated 0:57:11 12-14-91 28303 <--> 28432
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
I don't know what Copperfield is paid, but I do know that Geller
ain't starving.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28409 Dated 0:57:16 12-14-91 28308 <--> 28420
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Marvin,
Yes, I did miss those messages. I believe that David is going to
have a system like that installed soon. And as long as there is
some way for us die-hards to read all the messages easily, that
will be the end of any problems.
Enjoy!
Kevin
p.s. Thank you for your hospitality today. It was wonderful
meeting you, and my wife thinks that you, David, T.A. and Stan
are all kind, generous people. (Well, so do I, but I thought you
would rather hear from a pretty woman.)
Msg #28410 Dated 0:57:21 12-14-91 -> 28424
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
David,
I just wanted to thank you for your company today. I enjoyed it
immensely, and am sorry about the ticket. We have that meter #
if you would like to claim it as your own, you are more than
welcome. You are in a better position to fight it anyway.
Enjoy!
Kevin
p.s. went to the Frederick's museum. Interesting stuff
Msg #28411 Dated 0:57:31 12-14-91 -> 28535
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
Stan,
Thank you very much for the tour of the Castle! It was a
wonderful day. As for our communications problems, hey, it was
Friday the 13th.
We still owe you a lunch. Just say when. (We would enjoy your
company.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28412 Dated 0:56:00 12-14-91 28393 <--> 28425
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAC CONSULTANT
David, I will be happy to help out. Have them (question holders)
forward them to me. Michael King
8424A Santa Monica Blvd.
Suite 192
West Hollywood, CA 90069
Msg #28413 Dated 0:57:41 12-14-91 -> 28546
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
T.A.,
Enjoyed meeting you, and the tour of the library. You sir, have
a WONDERFUL job.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28414 Dated 0:57:50 12-14-91 -> 28569
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: SECONDS
Geno,
Just got home from Hollywood magic, and am the proud owner of
your tape on second dealing, and false riffle shuffle. WONDERFUL
TAPE!!!!!!!!!!!! After watching your tape, I could do in five
minutes what hours and hours of practise out of a book couldn't
do for me. I highly recommend it. Once I have this polished, I
have some effects that are going to blow away the people in this
neck of the woods.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28420 Dated 1:23:59 12-14-91 28400 <--> 28421
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
When we do get the section setup set up, we will initially enroll all
MAGIC! members in ALL of the sections. The member will be able to turn
the sections off (or on again later) by changing his or her profile.
Guess I gotta get back to doing it and not talking about it!
Msg #28421 Dated 1:26:52 12-14-91 28409 <--> 28442
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Kevin -
I'm glad that you indicated that your wife was pretty. These days it
is always tough to tell if the individual will accept that as a
compliment - but it certainly is one that I would have made if I didn't
feel so constrained by our confusing society.
Msg #28422 Dated 1:28:37 12-14-91 28403 <--> 28429
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I don't know, Kevin. I've tried knocking my own socks off, but, at
that point, most of the audience would leave.
Msg #28423 Dated 1:34:03 12-14-91 28406 <--> 28435
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
It is interesting that "paranormal bashing" seems to be something that
"scientists" do whenever they have nothing else to do - i.e., whenever
their NSF check is a bit slow. In addition to Randi's org., there are
a host of others, including the "Committee for the Scientific
Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal." It is chaired by Paul
Kurtz (Professor of Philosophy, SUNY-Buffalo) and the "Fellows of the
Committee" include Isaac Asimov, L. Sprague de Camp, Martin Gardner,
Douglas S. Hofstadter, David Marks, Carl Sagan and a host of others.
It is obvious from their literature that they too "bend over backward"
to make sure that no claim goes undisputed.
Msg #28424 Dated 1:39:14 12-14-91 28410 <--> 28444
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
I seemed to notice that the meter numbers did not appear on the
tickets, so, if you aren't going to use yours, then, yes, I would not
mind having it!
Msg #28425 Dated 1:40:36 12-14-91 28412 <--> 28470
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MAC CONSULTANT
Thanks, Mike! Could you leave me your phone number (in priv. if you
wish). Yeah, I know... I have it around here someplace -- but you've
never seen my office!
Msg #28427 Dated 1:43:30 12-14-91 28364 <--> 28434
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
I don't understand it... they must have had some galley proofs to
OK.... but maybe the printing dept. inked 'em too much... or the
screen was too fine for the press/paper combo??? Dunno... too bad,
as I know Klause had spent a LOOOOOONG time getting ready to do
the book...
Msg #28428 Dated 1:43:36 12-14-91 28365 <--> 28437
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
Who be the magi that worked the White House??? Le Grand???
Msg #28429 Dated 1:43:39 12-14-91 28368 <--> 28431
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I been in ze wrong country.... tsk....
Msg #28430 Dated 1:43:42 12-14-91 28369 <--> 28452
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Naw, just remember I got four different drives on my electric
writing machine... C, D, E & F.
Msg #28431 Dated 1:43:45 12-14-91 28370 <--> 28433
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Any body want to comment on U.F. Grant's "Chink Cans"?
Msg #28432 Dated 1:43:48 12-14-91 28373 <--> 28440
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Kresge makes a lot of scratch, but I bet Uri ain't no slouch....
Msg #28433 Dated 1:43:51 12-14-91 28381 <--> 28450
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Just got phone call from Onasaka in Tokyo... his FAX would not
jiggle the switches in mine... He is helping to bring over a killer
act from Japan for IBM... One that Maven tipped me to in first
place... Great dudes...
.
AND.... AND.... CAN'T SPILL IT YET... BUT MAY HAVE A BLOCKBUSTER
TO CLOSE THE CONVENTION... AN ACT THAT HAS "NEVER" DONE EITHER THE
IBM, OR IF YOU'LL PARDON THE EXPRESSION S.A.M.... If we can figger
it all out WE IS IN HEAVEN!!!! YO!!!!
Msg #28434 Dated 1:44:01 12-14-91 28382 <--> 28445
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Same number il dudah...
Msg #28435 Dated 1:44:03 12-14-91 28386 <--> 28441
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Never talked to college age folk, the only time I did an "all
mental magic" act was for little old ladies...
Msg #28436 Dated 1:44:07 12-14-91 28387 <--> 28453
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE
I have twice in my lifetime done the HUNDRED BUCK TRAFFIC PARKING
BS TICKET SCAM.... ARGH.... and took YOURS TRULY HOURS TO FIND
THE LOT AND TOW COMPANY... a fate worse than watching Zombie for
two hours....
.
Someone sent me a great video... ONE SOLID HOUR OF SHEEP JUMPING
A FENCE... SOON AS I LOG OFF, GOING TO PUT IT ON AND HIT BEDDDDDDDDD
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Msg #28437 Dated 1:44:16 12-14-91 28388 <--> 28449
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
Jay said, when asked if he was going to do Quail jokes, "Hey, I
have a better target now with Sin Noo Noo...."
Msg #28439 Dated 1:44:22 12-14-91 28398 <--> 28469
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Call Nick St. Erne, he is a great Vet on birds (does Lance's) and
is a top magician. He is in Vegas. Tell him I sentcha...
Msg #28440 Dated 1:44:26 12-14-91 28404 <--> 28443
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Is Shepi Strang (sp?) still stooging for Geller???
Msg #28441 Dated 1:44:29 12-14-91 28406 <--> 28447
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I think Randi goes so far that people get tired of listening to
him. It is like the citizens group in Long Beach that went to
every public hearing, etc. and screamed and hollered trying to
keep us from starting our business. One time, after a year or
so of this stuff I was briefly chatting with the Mayor and he
said "those kinds come to every meeting, scream and complain
about everything anybody wants to do... so we just tune them out.
If they came in with legit complaints ONCE IN A WHILE they would
probably get some where... but the way they lean on us day in and
day out they could have a real complaint, but nobody listens!"
Msg #28442 Dated 1:44:40 12-14-91 28407 <--> 28448
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
That's OK, I don't have any money to pay the fone co anyway...
Msg #28443 Dated 1:44:43 12-14-91 28408 <--> 28457
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I forget the numbers, but Tabby has a sub to Billboard and it
lists the top money makers in the concert field... seems to me
David was up there with the rock n roll big stars...
Msg #28444 Dated 1:44:47 12-14-91 28410 <--> 28454
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
Frederick's of Hollywood? Interesting stuff? Y'mean black underwear?
Msg #28445 Dated 1:44:50 12-14-91 28383 <--> 28477
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Dark ain't the woid for 'em...
Msg #28447 Dated 1:45:05 12-14-91 28406 <--> 28459
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
One Geller example was at Stanford Research (NOT AFFILIATED WITH
THE UNIVERSITY... WHICH MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE)... They built
a steel walled cubicle that was supposed to be sealed up tight.
No way in, no way out... Locked him init and he was able to figure
out stuff they were doing.
.
A friend of mine checked the place out and they did not have it
finished in time... THEY DIDN'T TELL THAT IN THE REPORT... but
what was NOT FINISHED was the air venting... THEY HAD LEFT ABOUT
A ONE BY TWO FOOT OPENING IN IT... didn't bother to seal it or
nothing... Figured GELLER COULD BE TRUSTED and since he was a
real psychic he wouldn't need to cheat????? Har har har...
.
My friend was an undercover U.S. Govt. dude checking him out on
the Q.T. he even had Geller do some private seances and reading
for him.... Argh....
.
Another friend, in NY, now Financial Editor of Business Week
Magazine... when I told him about Geller and Andrija Puharick (sp?)
nearly fell over... he told me he used to Date Puharick's daughter
and the old man was a nutcase... that actually believed he had
visitors from flying saucers all the time. TRUE...
.
In one of Geller's books he talked about walking along a street
in Manhattan, N.Y. City.... and leaping in the air and landing
almost 100 miles away on Puharick's front porch in Ossening, N.Y.
.
Puharick backed up the story, saying something like, "Yes, Yuri
came flying through my screen door!"
.,
Hey.... he's got the job!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #28448 Dated 1:45:35 12-14-91 28409 <--> 28587
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
It is easy. compuserve has a jillion Boards, Photography, Money,
Computers, Publishing, Stock Markets, etc... and they are all
broken down into sub sections. Photo has: 35mm, Lighting, big film,
News, Lab work, etc... so we just have departments, labelled by
No? 1 = Reviews, 2 = Computer thinking, 3 = See you at lunch, etc,
and when you set your parameters you can tune in or tune out
various sections....
Msg #28449 Dated 1:45:09 12-14-91 28437 <--> 28501
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
I think that it doesn't take a talent as refined as Leno's to do Sinn
Noo Noo jokes. How the guy stuck around this long is a mystery.
Msg #28450 Dated 1:46:18 12-14-91 28429 <--> 28451
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Yeah, if you are interested, remind me sometime and I'll show you my
small collection of erotic Chinese art. But I will warn you that by
Western standards it is boring.
Msg #28451 Dated 1:47:44 12-14-91 28431 <--> 28475
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Mave already nailed the Chink Cans in the Parallax column. He called
them "grotesquely named."
Msg #28452 Dated 1:49:01 12-14-91 28430 <--> 28484
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Uh, yeah, I remember those four "different" drives! That machine of
yours is really something! I haven't seen anything built like that
since I had to tear apart a TI "Business Pro" tower machine. It took
me close to an hour to rip the armor plating offa your machine! And
those drives were originally designed to operate in a Sherman Tank.
Msg #28453 Dated 1:52:39 12-14-91 28436 <--> 28907
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE
Yeah, I wasn't too impressed with this scam either! We were ticketed
for parking on the street after 3 (there were some signs, but they
weren't that close to our cars). Kevin's meter was labeled "HOURS OF
OPERATION - 9 A.M. TO 4 P.M." so I think we have a case.
Msg #28454 Dated 1:55:46 12-14-91 28410 <--> 28590
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
Glad you got to and enjoyed the Frederick's Museum. It is one more
unique part of Hollywood.
Msg #28455 Dated 2:18:05 12-14-91 28289 <--> 28467
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
According to the picture it (the brain) looks pretty real and yes
it is full size.
Msg #28456 Dated 2:18:07 12-14-91 -> 28479
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Ee;28341
I had responded to Tabman's question as 'What is your favorite effect
and why'. I meant the FAVORITE effect that YOU personally do.
.
Each of us has, I'm sure, one effect that they like better than any
other they do. I think it would be interesting to get some insight
on what effects each person likes and WHY (some detail would be good)
they like that particuliar effect.
.
My personal favorite is cut and restored rope. I use a modified
Slydini routine as a psuedo hynosis (I hypnotize the rope and perform
psycho-surgery on it). There are two cuts and restorations in my vers
ion.
.
The reason I like it is that is plays well in close-up, walk-around,
and parlour and I always get a good response from it. I can use the
same rope several times (it just gets a bit shorter each time), it
packs small and plays big. I don't need a table, can do it surrounded
and its an ordinary object that everyone can relate too, plus there
are no gaffs to deal with - its straight skill and presentation. Very
pure magic.
.
Hope to hear what effects other people like and WHY !
.
Bizarre.
Msg #28457 Dated 2:18:26 12-14-91 28210 <--> 28458
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
There are rather interesting underground books reagarding the U.S.
Govts use of Psychics (not mentalists) - they were really worried tha
t the Russkis research into the paranormal would give them an edge.
Big bucks have been spent - OUR BUCKS !
Msg #28458 Dated 2:18:30 12-14-91 28256 <--> 28476
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I agree - Randi seems to be on a personal vendetta against Geller.
After all, Geller hasn't bilked people out of their money as some of
the religious mystics have (i.e. Popov, et al), he just says he is an
entertainer and has abilities - does that make him such a bad guy ?
Msg #28459 Dated 2:18:35 12-14-91 28386 <--> 28468
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
What are the figures regarding belief in psychic abilities ?
Msg #28461 Dated 2:18:45 12-14-91 28249 <--> 28462
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
I'm game for early Lance and back part for S & R. Last year I was
six feet from the S & R stage and felt the show was TOOO BIIIG to
be viewed so close. This one you want to be more towards the back
so you can take in the big picture.
Msg #28462 Dated 2:18:49 12-14-91 28290 <--> 28465
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
See my response to David. I saw it last year and was in the pits.
When the leopard and Roy appear in the 'empty' cage I was looking
straight up into the load - I don't think I'd like to drop down into
a cage with a leopard in my lap - they must be good friends.
Msg #28463 Dated 2:18:53 12-14-91 28269 <--> 28480
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Done deal on the room - no smokin ! I plan on coming in Weds eve -
will drive in. Plan to spend Thurs looking for some property. Will
drive back Sunday afternoon.
.
Go ahead and make a reservation - I'll cancel out as soon as I hear
G
Did you get the package I sent you ? Let me know what you think ?
Msg #28465 Dated 2:51:02 12-14-91 28461 <--> 28489
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS BASH
I agree, if you can find a way to gaff the Ticketron computers at S&R.
Ideal would be center back. But without a gaff it is gonna be hard to
do.
Msg #28466 Dated 2:52:23 12-14-91 28392 <--> 28492
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Thomas' distinctions are perfectly clear to me. As for your comment
suggesting that I am somehow promoting a "p.c." agenda despite my overt
comments to the contrary, I can only say that I thought I'd spelled out
my views on the subject quite explicitly. If you wish to reinterpret
what I've written, be my guest -- but don't expect me to discuss it
with you if it's on that basis.
Msg #28467 Dated 3:01:43 12-14-91 28401 <--> 28485
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: HARTMAN
I dunno; is the brain hollow?
Msg #28468 Dated 3:02:07 12-14-91 28406 <--> 28481
From: MAX MAVEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Where and when, pray tell, has Geller been caught cheating?
Msg #28469 Dated 3:02:33 12-14-91 28398 <--> 28472
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
I don't know who has marketed "Leather Impact," but I would hope the
instructions credit Roy Walton for having invented the trick (using
paper envelopes).
Msg #28470 Dated 3:38:42 12-14-91 28393 <--> 28512
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAC CONSULTANT
Hi david! I am on a mac but I'll be Damned if I can offer tech-nerd
advice!
Msg #28472 Dated 8:04:54 12-14-91 28398 <--> 28482
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Holy bat, birdman. Sounds like you've been having a different sort
of time. Sorry to hear about alla bad news from your end. The
Chinese have a definition of calamity that I like: "Opportunity
riding an ill wind." It works for me so some good stuff must be
around the corner. UPS, hmmmmm. I hope you aren't sending me the
deceased bird back.
Msg #28475 Dated 8:05:08 12-14-91 28433 <--> 28483
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Great news from the Tonman and Japan. I know you've been stretching
for a closer for the shows and sounds like you might have found it.
Am really looking forward to the SLC-IBM. Doc called me yesterday
and is wanting to rap about his shows/lectures. Nashville is
shaping up too, so looks like things is happening!
Msg #28476 Dated 8:05:14 12-14-91 28443 <--> 28487
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
In the top ten figures last year, if I recall, Copperfield was in
the top ten grossers for non musical acts three times with single
show grosses in the mid six figures.
Msg #28477 Dated 8:05:18 12-14-91 28445 <--> 28496
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
I almost bought the Klause book last night but haven't so far. Maybe
will wait til 2nd printing and hope they get the photo screening
right. Am on my way to Music Valley Drive in a bit. Beverly (girl
singer I manage) is doing a big saturday night radio broadcast out
of Kentucky tonight and a bunch of us are riding up to the venue
on Jerry Reed's bus. Lots of peroxide and boufount. Yopwsuh!!
Msg #28479 Dated 8:05:31 12-14-91 28456 <--> 28486
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Last night at a close up jam I tried one of my favorite tricks
impromptu - PARALLAX - and it really works well this way. Instead
of cutting the stuff out with an Xacto I tore and folded a poker
sized playing card and it works like a charm. I told them the
history of the effect also and where it came from also going into
some variations of _Into The 4th Dimension_Card Warp, etc. Last'
night, PARALLAX was my favorite as it really got their attention
doing it impromptu.
Msg #28480 Dated 8:05:39 12-14-91 28463 <--> 28490
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Will do Jerry. Hang onto reservation until I make one. They send
specials out in the mail about every six weeks and current one
goes through Feb. Next mailing should have special roller rates
for March. Appreciate the NO SMOKIN deal. I'm still weak and would
be tempted to puff on one of your Carlton's if they was laying
around the room and there was smoke hanging in the air. Maybe I
will come in on Wednesday also. Wooden mind looking around at the
land - .
Msg #28481 Dated 8:05:47 12-14-91 28468 <--> 28537
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Maybe in the fifth grade???
Msg #28482 Dated 8:05:49 12-14-91 28469 <--> 28495
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
As far as I know, Daryl bought the "Leather Impact" from the
afore named dealer at FFFF this past year and was dissapointed that
NO CREDIT was given. He expressed his views to the dealer and there
was to have been a change, though don't know if it happened!!!
Msg #28483 Dated 9:39:33 12-14-91 28451 <--> 28502
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I wonder if those references, "Chink Cans", etc., were considered
"grotesque" in the days they were used?
.
When I was working my way along the calendar we called young women
"chicks"... try that today!!!
.
Things doooooo change... Why I can remember liking a trick with a
thumb tip some time ago.
Msg #28484 Dated 9:39:42 12-14-91 28452 <--> 28528
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
That's goooooood.... I kick my computer a lot.... and it keeps on
ticking!
Msg #28485 Dated 9:39:46 12-14-91 28455 <--> 28493
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HARTMAN
Full size for????
Msg #28486 Dated 9:39:49 12-14-91 28456 <--> 28504
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Yeh, rope is good magic. I still run into people that say, "Gee,
I remember you cut that string we had and put it back together".
.
Usually someone about 30 that I did the trick for at their home
when they were 12 years old! visiting their parents. I used to
always ask them if they had a couple of feet of string and a
scissors and an old beat up deck of cards... IF THEY ASKED FOR A
BIT OF MOJO...
Msg #28487 Dated 9:39:58 12-14-91 28457 <--> 28488
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
The 2 guys I know getting the US moneta were (ARE) nice guys... the
money was well spent. Incedentally... the money came from NASA's
budget!
Msg #28488 Dated 9:40:03 12-14-91 28458 <--> 28507
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I don't think Urin Geller used to call himself "an entertainer" and
have not PERSONALLY heard that he does. (OK, its a dumb line in
this context... "Urin Geller"... but I use that pronunciation in
a set up for a gag mental effect in my comedy act... I say something
like.... "Well, lets do a little mental exercise... something like
you see on TV by famed psychic Urin Geller or Amazing Kreskin...
you know I found out... Amazing IS HIS REAL NAME.... " etc. ad lib,
ad nauseum... ad ARgh....
Msg #28489 Dated 9:40:12 12-14-91 28462 <--> 28491
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS BASH
I know Roy has a doggie door from outside into his bedroom, large
enuf for a Panther friend of his!
Msg #28490 Dated 9:40:16 12-14-91 28463 <--> 28603
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
I have a KILLER pc of property for sale: 8.27 acres, custom house,
guest house, redwood trees, wind break, 2 wells and 2 springs,
180-degree whitewater ocean views... darkroom, studio for artist,
custom Kitchen, great design, auto sprinkler water system for
designer garden, Satellite AND cable tv... I could go on. Price on
request!
.
Not kidding here folks...
.
Owner will carry 2TD if need be...
Msg #28491 Dated 9:40:27 12-14-91 28465 <--> 28515
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
I don't know if you need to gaff anything... I would call the
Mirage and ask if you call early, or when to call to have some
kind of CHOICE of area for seating. I would like to STAND in the
back of all the seats against the back wall one time.
Msg #28492 Dated 9:40:33 12-14-91 28466 <--> 28510
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Since I have not seen the magazine article yet, what is meant in
your messages by "p.c."?
.
Boy, now I can't wait for the postal worker to finish reading my
issue and let me see it!
Msg #28493 Dated 9:40:39 12-14-91 28467 <--> 28761
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HARTMAN
If the brainis hollow, then it would be more realistic than I
thought!!
Msg #28495 Dated 9:41:11 12-14-91 28469 <--> 28498
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
"Leather Impact" sounds like a pretty "camp" marketing ploy!
Msg #28496 Dated 9:41:14 12-14-91 28477 <--> 28499
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Robert F. Jones (Sports Illustrated motorsports riter years back
when he and I were doing stories together) had a couple of great
lines in story we did in the South at a stock car race... One had
something to do with the fine chips of hair spray being blown around
in the wind cutting your face... one I gave him was "pick up trucks
around the parking lot had Electric Toilet Paper displayed on the
dash.... electric toilet paper... a corn cob with an extention cord
stuck in the end..." (We used to sell those at a magic shop I worked
at).
Msg #28498 Dated 9:42:02 12-14-91 28482 <--> 28508
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Who was the dealer selling Leather Impact? Kinda sounds like the
cat that "changed" the Origami Box... told Steinmeyer he had a
different kind of hinge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PUKE....
Msg #28499 Dated 9:42:07 12-14-91 28427 <--> 28526
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Just yesterday afternoon got your invoice. Did you also send any
merchandise??? And will I then be fully up to date with ALL BACK
ISSUES???
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