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Msg #28500 Dated 9:42:11 12-14-91 -> 28570
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MESSAGE ERROR
I accidentally sent a message to myself, that was for you...
"I got your invoice, when the mdse arrives will I THEN HAVE ALL
BACK ISSUES ETC. AND BE COMPLETE???
Msg #28501 Dated 9:42:18 12-14-91 28449 <--> 28529
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
I think he, and many others, have pictures of Bush doing something
he don't want us to know.... arhg....
.
With all the heat one gets these days being in politics... IT MUST
REALLY BE WORTH IT UNDER THE TABLES....
.
HEY.... I hope Gorby resigns, moves to America and goes on the
lecture circuit. Then He will know what it is like to make some
REAL MONEY!!!!
Msg #28502 Dated 9:42:28 12-14-91 28450 <--> 28503
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I bet there are collectors of rude stuff from WWII, remember the
Japanazi stuff, Heil Pffft, Heil Pffft, right in the Fuhrer's Face,
Nip a nip... all kinds of good stuff... My favorite was the
US flier that crashed in jungle... he came to an opening and he
ran into a Japanese girl... he ripped open his shirt and showed
her an American flag tatood on his chest... and shouted "American",
she ripped open her blouse and said, "Niponese"... ARgh??
Msg #28503 Dated 9:42:36 12-14-91 28451 <--> 28518
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Actually, the Chink Cans were a diobolically clever method of
doing a waterless, messless, rice bowls... Nahman Nissen, a fine
and very funny N. Calif. pro, uses a variation with Vegetable Cans,
sort of a country Herb Shriner, Will Rogers kinda act...
.
Somewhere (now these I got to find) I have another variant of the
rice bowls... the Himber Coffee cups... put coffee beans in one
cup, put cups together the beans double in quantity, put them
together againd... AND VOILA.... REAL COFFEE TO DRINK... BOY, I
HOPE THEY AREN'T LOST!!!!!
Msg #28504 Dated 9:42:48 12-14-91 28456 <--> 28506
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
I love the Edward Victor Bat Trick (taught to me by English magic
Alan Alan) because you can do it one on one... it is very small
to carry and I have even tied it in for Trade Show use with chatter
about the different "lines"... I sure wish Muhammad Ali hadn't
KEPT my best one tho.... did it for him, blew him away and he said,
"I want that stick"... took it out of my hands put into his pocket
and wouldn't give it back to me. One guy at the party said, "Hey
that's great... the last guy he took something from got a gift
from him a week later... a new Cadillac.... I am still waiting for
my gift! Do you think after three years he forgot? Do you think
when he got home he remembered what that stupid little black paddle
in his pocket was for? NO....
.
Since then I have quit liking prize fighters. Altho Foremen has
nibbled his way back into favor....
Msg #28505 Dated 9:43:03 12-14-91 -> 28918
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: EFFECTS
Ee;28456
People that watch like some of the effects I do because they are
VERY direct, take no effort to understand the effect and can have
a laff with them...
.
To mind, comes... Card on the Forehead. Copper/Silver (Silver Dollar
and real penny version) in their hands. Victor Bat Trick because
of interaction of patter, asking spectator to keep track of the
lines. Card out of fly (unzip and produce card) -- I quit loading
wallets with envelopes as the EFFECT on people was more ENTERTAINING
just palming it off and bringing it out of my fly...
.
For real people in a party, table kinda environment... I guess the
kind of magic that is done behind the bar works best. I spent
countless hours studying the stuff Frank Shields used, and whenever
I could caught Johnny Paul, Heba Haba Al, etc. They did the most
direct stuff and REALLY UNDERSTOOD what people got a Kick out of!
.
HERE IS A NEW QUESTION.....
.
What effect DO YOU WISH YOU COULD DO?
.
And when I say COULD DO... I mean well enough to be a baffler
and/or a great piece of entertianment?
.
The one I want to do BADLY is the Linking Finger Rings... just
never get the nerve up to bring it into play...
.
That will be my New Years Resolution... start to carry the ring and
get with it!!!!!!!!!!
.
Lets here some answers!!!!
Msg #28506 Dated 9:43:36 12-14-91 28456 <--> 28776
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
There were two effects we did in the old Midnight Spook shows that
blew the audiences away. One was the floating table (with 2 spec-
tators up helping) and the other was a stupid, stupid simple
rope tie escape. I mean you ALL have seen this in the dumb, cheap
books of magic aimed at laymen... and like me HAVE PROBLABLY
DISMISSED IT.... But when Arthur Bull (Francisco) did it it killed.
.
What? You ask? OK... it is the dumb trick where you have a handker-
chief TIED around your wrists. You then have about a 30 foot rope
looped thru your arms. The spectator holds the ends, about 15 feet
away from you. It looks impossible to get out. You wave the old
hands up and down and in a flash... the rope drops to the floor
and you are free and the handkerchief is still securely tied
around your wrists. This fooled the wiz out of the spectators
and they would grab the rope look it over and check his hands,
etc. etc... strong magic the way he presented such a simple item.
Msg #28507 Dated 9:43:52 12-14-91 28458 <--> 28522
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Actually, if Randi didn't have Geller to go after what could he
have done to achieve the publicity he has garnered? Would he have
gotten the several hundred thousand buck MacArthur Fellowship????
Msg #28508 Dated 10:07:53 12-14-91 28469 <--> 28547
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Yes, absolutely! He says Frank Garcia had some leather ones made.
howie found a reasonable prices source to have more made up. He gives
all credit where it's due.
David (the other one)
Msg #28509 Dated 11:35:17 12-14-91 -> 28548
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: ALL
Re: THREAD VIDEOS
I'm looking for some advice. If you we're to make a choice between the
following Video's, which one would you choose?
Mike Ammar's "Floating Bill", or Kevin James "Floating Rose." Which one
gives you the most in terms of thread work? I would appreciate anyone's
input. Should you wish to send your thoughts to me via "personal"
message (so as not to offend either party), please do so. If you have
seen only one or the other, but not both, your comments on what you
have seen would be appreciated.
Msg #28510 Dated 11:34:39 12-14-91 28466 <--> 28538
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
I did not suggest that you were somehow promoting a covert p.c. agenda.
But I did get the decided sensation that you felt uneasy about your own
comments; as if upon rereading the piece _you_ felt that it decidedly
resembled that sort of simplistic approach.
Msg #28512 Dated 12:01:31 12-14-91 28425 <--> 28516
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAC CONSULTANT
Sure. I'll be happy to.
Msg #28515 Dated 12:16:15 12-14-91 28491 <--> 28549
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
If you want to stand in the back during an S&R show, the best way would
be to get a job as a waiter or matre d'! You could see the show AND
get paid for being there! Gotta get your tux outa Seabrooke's closet
though.
Msg #28516 Dated 12:20:16 12-14-91 28470 <--> 28563
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAC CONSULTANT
OK, Well, maybe standby in the wings - what we need is basic support
for how to use the communications programs, how to connect the modem,
stuff like that - not generally down at the bit and byte level.
Msg #28518 Dated 12:29:04 12-14-91 28483 <--> 28519
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I suspect that some of the references were offensive to some
individuals at all times. Other references were acceptable within
their time frame. I take comfort from the relative certainty that the
silliness and foibles of the present age will be looked upon with
bemusement in the future.
Msg #28519 Dated 12:30:58 12-14-91 28502 <--> 28520
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Yep, folks collect all sorts of things. Some are naughty, some are
nice. But Santa will get even with 'em!
One of my favorites, along the lines of your story, but without the
ethnic references, is about a hunter who spent all day in the forest
and came across no animals. He was returning home, weary and tired,
when a stunning beautiful and totally nude woman stepped out from
behind a tree. He winked at her, she winked at him. Gazing at her
longingly he said "You game?" "Yeah," she said. So he shot her.
Msg #28520 Dated 12:34:22 12-14-91 28503 <--> 28551
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Hmmmm..... RE: The Himber coffee cup variation on the "Chink Cans."
I assume that Himber had enough sensitivity not to call them the "Juan
Valdez Spic Cups"?
Msg #28522 Dated 12:36:14 12-14-91 28487 <--> 28525
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Apparently, during that same period, the Soviets spent a great deal on
paranormal research. I believe that they exceeded us in that area.
Msg #28524 Dated 12:38:48 12-14-91 -> 28564
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
The comment wasn't intended to be vicious. Just a small reference to
the legendary Mac vs. IBM vs. Amiga arguments the tech nerds like to
keep going. Just downloading the game isn't hard. You might want a
fellow MAC user to help if you wanted to use it. Enjoy your MAC!
Msg #28525 Dated 12:38:59 12-14-91 28488 <--> 28532
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You'll have to wait for your issue of M A G I C, Pete. In the Stan
Allen interview he quotes Geller as saying, "But basically, I am an
entertainer. I'm a showman. I was born that way. No, noone can
change that. I was born a showman and an entertainer."
The teaser says, "Next month - Randi Responds."
Msg #28526 Dated 12:42:35 12-14-91 28499 <--> 28554
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Er, Pete, you wrote message #28499 to YOURSELF - telling yourself that
yesterday you got your own invoice. I think you meant to send it to
Jim Sisti.
Msg #28527 Dated 12:41:16 12-14-91 27167 <--> 28531
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Glad you like it! You'll never guess where I got the map of the Castle.
It's that bizarre portrait inside the back cover of the souvenir book!
Have you been able to search for yourself yet? You're somewhere in the
Data statements...
Msg #28528 Dated 12:48:20 12-14-91 28484 <--> 28556
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
I wouldn't worry too much - that computer looked like it was built for
abuse. Just don't store your PK inside it.
Msg #28529 Dated 12:50:39 12-14-91 28501 <--> 28591
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
Yeah, I thought about the possibility that Soo Noo Noo has pics. More
likely he has/had Profs printouts.
I agree on Gorby - I think his best shot would be to move to the U.S.
He is more popular here than he is there! A bit like a President or
two that we have had.
Msg #28531 Dated 12:55:18 12-14-91 28527 <--> 28555
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Ha! No! I haven't found myself yet! Guess I'll have to keep playin'
the game!
Msg #28532 Dated 13:01:15 12-14-91 28404 <--> 28533
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Kevin,
Just because *you* can replicate something Uri Geller did does not mean
you discovered his *method*. Perhaps...just perhaps, there really is
mystery in what he does.
Philip Hopbell
.
Msg #28533 Dated 13:15:46 12-14-91 28396 <--> 28536
From: STAN LAKE
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
If I can accurately recall Max's show, he did not claim to have psychic
abilities nor did he make a disclaimer about what we were about to see
being merely entertainment. He just did his act and let everyone draw
their own conclusions. From the conversations I overheard there were
many different conclusions drawn. Some saying they didn't know how he
did a certain trick as if it were another magic trick or puzzle that
they couldn't figure out. A few others who could not come up with any
logical solutions were certain that Max possessed psychic abilities.
Msg #28535 Dated 13:39:19 12-14-91 28411 <--> 28559
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
It was a fun afternoon with everyone at the Castle. We didn't get to
see as much magic as we would have on an evening but then you did get
to tour the library thanks to T. A. Did you remember to pick up an
application for membership? I'll get one for you if you'd like. As a
matter of fact I will be there after going to a Christmas party tonight
so I will try and remember to get one just in case you need it. I'll
be dressed up in a tux tonight so I can act like one of the hosts and
throw people out who cut in line!
Msg #28536 Dated 13:46:43 12-14-91 28532 <--> 28539
From: STAN LAKE
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Perhaps Geller does have some psychic ability. I have never seen one
of his performances and all I have heard is that he bends spoons and
starts and stops time pieces. If Geller really does have psychic
abilities and assuming he cares to prove it he should try doing things
that can't be duplicted by a magician. For instance, if he says he can
tell the future then have him write down the headlines for tomorrow or
next week and make those predictions known before the papers hit the
newstand. If he claims he can read minds then have someone think of a
card or whatever and tell that person what they are thinking. Just
about any effect you can think of can be closely approximated by a
magician but it would be tough to fool any good magician who sets up
the experiment for Geller.
Msg #28537 Dated 14:09:34 12-14-91 28459 <--> 28544
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I don't have them at hand here in the office -- but in a well known
experiment by Benassi and Singer, over 50% of the college students in
some classes believed a performer brought in was psychic EVEN WHEN HE
HAD BEEN INTRODUCED AS A FAKE...
Msg #28538 Dated 14:11:18 12-14-91 28392 <--> 28565
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
I looked again at the messages and don't know that I can make it any
clearer -- it is one thing to offend people out of ignorance and/or
callousness -- but within an artistic presentation you are going to
offend some people who may not like the premises. There are, for
example, born again Christians who think mentalism -- and often magic
-- are the work of the devil. I do not choose to recognize their
feelings as something to influence my work. If, on the other hand, I
refer to them in my act as those red neck cross burner types as a basic
description, I am being insensitive, not to say stupid. A person's
religious belief is one thing, and whether it influences what I do;
being insensitive about that belief out of sheer stupidity is quite
another. Any clearer?
Msg #28539 Dated 14:17:28 12-14-91 28396 <--> 28540
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Don't know whether Max has pointed this out yet -- but in the
performances of his I have seen (seances excepted) he makes very few
claims -- and the claims he does make are true. When he says, for
example, that he is going to use psychological means to make a
spectator stop on a predicted card, that is EXACTLY what he does; ain't
no 1-0-1 deck and Himber wallet there...
Msg #28540 Dated 14:21:21 12-14-91 28507 <--> 28541
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Kinda like matter -- antimatter; as to which is which...?
Msg #28541 Dated 14:22:41 12-14-91 28536 <--> 28557
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
The interesting phrase in your message re Geller was "assuming he
cares" -- why should he? What on earth would he have to gain, except
perhaps the favorable opinions of a small group he doesn't care about
anyway?
Msg #28542 Dated 14:23:43 12-14-91 -> 28606
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: NEW WAY
E
ALL
NEW VERSION...
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Just thought of a couple of things... one new way to do a great
effect. Years ago Ken Brooke marketed "Potty Prediction". In
Brit parlance Potty means "a bit off... crazy..." -- so... here
is a variation (Billy McComb marketed the "McComical Deck")...
.
Anyway reason for this idea was for SIZE... And was reminded of
the prop because of last nights fone call from Ton Onasaka in Japan.
Onasak-san markets a beautiful set of cards for the "Find the Lady"
a mechanical super gigantic set of cards that can be shows as
either a Jack of Spades or Queen of Hearts. It is an old principle,
the sliding piece within the card. I have a similar set from Abbotts
and another from Pat Page that he used to assemble by hand.
.
Anyway... if you don't do the routine and have the cards, this only
requires ONE of them. (hey you can sell the other two to two others
that like this version).
.
You also need a jumbo deck of about 10-15 pairs that are rough
and smoothed. They are all identical pairs: Each roughed pair
shows either the Jack or the Queen on the face with the opposite
card hidden to the back.
.
You now begin the routine by saying you have a huge card here, huge
because A) you want everyone to see it... and B) it would be
impossible for me to switch it for another card.
(for this example we will start with the Queen showing)
.
Oh, yes... you have a spectator up to help you.
.
Start by showing the Jumbo Queen to the audience, but do not let
your helper see it... You can place this card leaning against
helper's leg (but after you show it you turn back to audience and
in setting it down turn it over and it changes to the Jack).
.
Pick up the regular Jumbo sized deck... spread it, winking to the
audience.. saying your friend here will have a FREE CHOICE... the
audience sees ALL QUEENS....
.
You ask helper to stop on any card... etc... and you hand him the
card of HIS/HER FREE CHOICE... saying... "don't let the audience
see it..."
.
Now recap the situation...
.
Pick up the Giant card... ask the spectator to name the card in
possession... WHEN THE JACK IS NAMED the audience thinks you have
blown it...
.
Here you need to experience the trick in real time conditions to
learn the timing... how long to wait, how much to mug... look
worried, etc. NOT LONG... don't drag it out...
.
Then you grab the card, look at it and turn both around at the
same time holding them both up high in each hand... AN AUTOMATIC
APPLAUSE CUE POSITION...
.
Saying, "That's what I thought you said...."
Msg #28543 Dated 14:24:54 12-14-91 -> 28617
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: IDEA FOR ALL
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OK, all of you out there that are planning to do some good magic
at a military hospital, veterans home, children's hospital, or a
nursing home... whatever... for the Holidays....
.
DO NOT DO IT... I REPEAT... DO NOT DO IT...
.
Right now there are hundreds of acts and shows doing it... singing
nuns, Tap dancing Jugglers, Accordian soloists, Magicians, Clowns,
thumb tip and ballon workers... six shows a day are trouping thru
those places.
.
WAIT... BECAUSE??? The rest of the 11 months NOBODY CARES. NOBODY
COMES TO SING OR PLAY... OR VISIT.
.
RE-SCHEDULE your self... pick a dead month, one with no holidays...
do it then.... 'nuff sed... (just speakin' from experience).
Msg #28544 Dated 14:28:56 12-14-91 28406 <--> 28545
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
If you have news about when Geller was caught cheating, I would love to
hear it. I have been following his career very carefully and have no
knowledge of this (I am assuming that you are not using Randi as a
source).
Msg #28545 Dated 14:31:14 12-14-91 28447 <--> 28561
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Actually, Randi talks about the hole in the wall at Stanford --but does
not mention that when Geller was there, a cabinet was next to it so
Geller couldn't have peeked -- and that if he had he wouldn't have seen
anything but wall.
Msg #28546 Dated 14:33:09 12-14-91 28413 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
It was my pleasure.
Msg #28547 Dated 14:48:01 12-14-91 28508 <--> 28660
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Credit... in money, residuals? Huh?
Msg #28548 Dated 14:48:04 12-14-91 28509 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: THREAD VIDEOS
I think you can find the floating bill in print. Finn Jon and Braco
books have lots of handlings... the Rose? I think the rose is
a killer... ONLY IF YOU HAVE THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH TO WORK IT.
.
But I would buy the Rose... is the only source I know of for that
item.
.
Kevin has just contributed his INCREDIBLE SHRINKING RING (Diminish-
ing Linking Ring for my book)... wowzooooooooka... He is currently
in Paris doing a TV show... good dude, for sure...
Msg #28549 Dated 14:48:15 12-14-91 28515 <--> 28618
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Seabrooke will be at the Castle soon, and I am going to have Sunday
Brunch with him the middle Sunday of his run. He will do a week in
the Parlour and a week in the Palace. He said the Moths loved my
tux... Maybe Prince could wear it if the holes are in the right
places!!!
Msg #28550 Dated 14:48:22 12-14-91 -> 28611
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: ULTIMATE TV
Ee;28515
I have just seen the ULTIMATE techie heaven TV commercial... for
Diet Coke... they have merged and colorized to perfection appearances
by Humphrey Bogard, Jimmy Cagney and Louis Armstrong into a killer
commercial with Elton John as the main cat... the best image merge
work I HAVE SEE... Altho the car that drives off into the picture
in the background ain't bad either.
Msg #28551 Dated 14:48:31 12-14-91 28518 <--> 28552
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I sure hope the UPTIGHTNESS of today will go away and be forgotten.
.
There are so many protest groups and group groups... it makes one
wonder why all those people don't try to GET A LIFE.
.
I guess when you sit home alone night after night (and don'e have
a modem) it can get to the point you will grasp at anything or
anyone...
Msg #28552 Dated 14:48:40 12-14-91 28519 <--> 28553
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Good variation, good...
Msg #28553 Dated 14:48:43 12-14-91 28520 <--> 28588
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I don't recall the name for them and it was before Juan Veldez was
putting his GREASY fingers with that scrungy Donkey on the beans!
Msg #28554 Dated 14:48:47 12-14-91 28526 <--> 28577
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
I have to remind myself about some things some how...
.
Hey anybody got a number for Max Abrams..??? He has an order of
mine that I can't figure out if he is going to send or what???
.
And I can't find his number. Should have sent a message to me!
.
I have deleted about 3,900,000 messages (er Bytes of) to open jup
my drive space... argh... Only keeping my replies? Dunno why?
.
Might make book five?
Msg #28555 Dated 14:48:59 12-14-91 28527 <--> 28612
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
TRIVIA... There is a secret compartment in the Castle someplace. I
used to use it when I arrived and had books, or a camera or whatever
that I didn't want to carry around. It just "vanished" and I could
reproduce it when about to leave... hahhahh... Milt showed it to me.
I am NOT going to tell....
Msg #28556 Dated 14:49:05 12-14-91 28528 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
I keep my PK on top of it, not inside... hey, nobody answered me,
about what P.C. reference was in MAGIC by maven?
Msg #28557 Dated 14:49:09 12-14-91 28532 <--> 28558
From: PETE BIRO
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Hey... a new face... er name... welcome dude... don't take us all
too seriously... we are only humane... arhg... keep hackin!!!
Msg #28558 Dated 14:49:13 12-14-91 28533 <--> 28560
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
When you go to the Ice House, or the Comedy and Magic Club I think
the audience figures they are seeing someone in Showbiz... if you
go to somone's old house and a person does a reading, seance or
sumpin' sikik... they might not be sure... I knew a stragish lady
in Hollywood that wanted me to go to a REAL seance with her one time.
Wish I had now... mita been fun lookin over her locking flap slates,
and thumb writer....
Msg #28559 Dated 14:49:21 12-14-91 28535 <--> 28604
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
Put a towel over your arm and maybe you can get tips for seating
folks in the dining room....
Msg #28560 Dated 14:49:25 12-14-91 28536 <--> 28562
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
One time Geller came into town and had an appointment to do a TV
interview. He came about half an hour early. Sat in reception area
and asked pretty ladys if he could have some letter paper and some
envelopes he wanted to write some letters while he waited.
.,
Hah... now he was armed with duplicate letterhead paper of the TV
station... when he did the show... a put the envelope in my
pocket and bring it out later switch worked like a charm....
Msg #28561 Dated 14:49:34 12-14-91 28537 <--> 28576
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I firmly believe that People JUST WANT TO BELIEVE (they don't want
fake). So they don't accept fake.
Msg #28562 Dated 14:49:38 12-14-91 28540 <--> 28567
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
What was the old gag line? Mind over Matter... You don't mind, I
don't matter... (was that Benson's)... hey any pix available
anywhere of Roy??? Hate to shoot off the TV screen.
Msg #28563 Dated 14:59:42 12-14-91 28516 <--> 28623
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAC CONSULTANT
ok that much I know! If they want bits and bytes, thats YOUR
department! But if anyone needs some communications or basic support,
I am a member of BMUG in berekley and can get info from there.
Msg #28564 Dated 15:02:05 12-14-91 28524 <--> 31701
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
Sorry, If I did sound vicious. I have been getting a lot of that type
of response when I ask about computers. Also, I may have not yet d/l
the game but I am not sure when I do d/l I get the file in a non mac
format(as I did when I checked other files). And PLEASE, dont take life
TOO seriousley. I certailnly don't! |:-)
Msg #28565 Dated 17:37:59 12-14-91 28492 <--> 28575
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
The term "p.c." stands for "politically correct." In the opening
paragraphs of my December column I go out of my way to explain that I
do not like the "p.c." movement, and that I hope the reader will not
attach that concept to the ensuing commentary about casual racism in
magic.
The sysop of this BBS apparently knows more about me than I do, as he
has decided that despite this explicit set-up my actual purpose was to
put a "p.c. spin" on my comments.
Msg #28567 Dated 17:42:11 12-14-91 28536 <--> 28578
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
"The existence of wigs does not disprove the existence of hair."
Msg #28569 Dated 18:10:27 12-14-91 28414 <--> 28608
From: GENO MUNARI
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SECONDS
Thank you so much for your nice comments, and if you have any
questions, please feel free to ask at any time.
Msg #28570 Dated 19:34:56 12-14-91 28500 <--> 28583
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE ERROR
Yep...you'll have a whole set. Funny you don't have it already
but it's that time of year, I guess. Keep me posted...
Msg #28572 Dated 21:03:15 12-14-91 -> 28584
From: JIM HILLEBRECHT
To: ALL
Re: CLUB INFO WANTED
Hi gang, , ,I'm planning a move to the Ventura area sometime in the new
year. Can anyone stear me to a magic club in that area??
Please reply to Jim Hillebrecht.
Thanks a bunch.
Msg #28573 Dated 21:11:55 12-14-91 -> 28585
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THREAD VIDEOS
Thanks for your response Pete. I really wasn't looking for a
recommendation of the specific effects of either "The Rose" or the
"Bill", but rather which Video covered a more generalized handling of
Thread Work. In terms of the effects themselves, I would guess "The
Floating Bill" would be the one you could perform with more ease, less
preparation, and repeat more often. I did receive "The String Book" by
Ralf
Wichmann,(BRACO) from The House of Magic. He primarily focuses on
Balls, Cigarettes, and corks and details Suspension, Flotation, Contact
support, and Animation, as they relate to Close-up and stage. You
mentioned Finn Jon and Braco books....do you have any more titles?
Have you seen Ammar's Video? Burt Carpenter asked me to comment on the
"The String Book" as he is very interested in thread work, which I must
do.
Msg #28574 Dated 21:31:39 12-14-91 -> 28586
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: BOOK TITLE
The Book I obtained from House of Magic is titled "The String Book",
sub title...Floating Routines for Table and Stage. The author is Ralf
Wichman, stage name Braco. The book is soft cover and 82 pages. He
details the four basic effects of Suspension, Flotation, Contact
Support, and Animation and gets into methods with wire and thread,
rods, magnetic fields, electronics, sticky tapes, magnets and
weights. He describes the mechanics of several routines without getting
into presentation, leaving that to the individual. I think the cost was
$12.50, and well worth it.
Burt, did you see my posted query seeking comments on Ammar's Video and
Kevin James Video? Have you seen either and do you have any comments?
Msg #28575 Dated 21:55:41 12-14-91 28538 <--> 28579
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Indeed, your point is becoming clearer, but, then again, I also cleaned
the screen. Still need to get new glasses though.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, T A, but it does sound like you are
saying that it is important for a performer to not be unintentionally
stupid - that the performer has an obligation to be aware of what may
offend some - but that if the performer chooses to be intentionally
stupid, then that is OK. It still seems to me that this connects to
the previous discussion in which I believe you stated that the
performer has no social responsibility connected with his performance.
Msg #28576 Dated 22:11:20 12-14-91 28545 <--> 28589
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Hmmmm.... will have to do some source diggin' on the old hole in
the wall.
.
Just got MAGIC, "the magazine" and have to re-read it a few times
to digest... Stan getting an interview with "I am a showman" was
a good item, to say the least... now for the next issue...
Msg #28577 Dated 22:11:27 12-14-91 28554 <--> 28622
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
I found his numero... will call mondeee
Msg #28578 Dated 22:11:30 12-14-91 28558 <--> 28581
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: URI GELLER
Lady was not "stragish"... word shuda been STRANGE-ISH... IN msg
28558... NO MSG... that was big on the window of a good chinese
restaurant I found last night... so what did I do tonite? I cooked
chinese food.
Msg #28579 Dated 22:11:36 12-14-91 28565 <--> 28610
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Just got the magazine. Great column Max... great! Yeah, I have a
hard time handling the P.C. movement --- or almost ANY "movements"
myself... Gertner seems to be starting on the right track...
.
I did note the reproduction of the Klause snaps in MAGIC was much
better than in the real book. Bad break for the book.
.
Weber nailed a couple of good uns too... Needs to be about double
the number of pages, tho...
Msg #28581 Dated 22:12:40 12-14-91 28567 <--> 28592
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Tina Turner special on TV right now... bet she uses a wig... it
looks great... If not it is greater!!!
Msg #28583 Dated 22:12:50 12-14-91 28570 <--> 28751
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MESSAGE ERROR
POST came and yep... all the Menus is here... thanks... Check out
Monday...
Msg #28584 Dated 22:12:54 12-14-91 28572 <--> 28625
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM HILLEBRECHT (X)
Re: CLUB INFO WANTED
Welcome aboard... I personally don't know... but our beloved SYSOP
here lives SORTA up that way... mebbe he will know...
Msg #28585 Dated 22:12:57 12-14-91 28573 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: THREAD VIDEOS
I did see Ammar's video, but was not paying a lot of attention, as
there were others in the room... and was distracted.
.
But... you can adapt the BRACO work to float ANYTHING... Bills,
Checks, notes from your mom... argh...
.
Why not forget what others have done and work up your own kinda
stuff... float something that ties in to what you feel and use...
.
You can do all the bill stuff with the loop, from Finn... Joe
Stevens sells that stuff.... Finn's thread magic book is a killer.
.
The best stuff, tho, is what you come up with.
.
The Rose, I would guess, really would only cover the one trick and
not be a "workup" of methods, etc.
.
You want to revive a Killer? Order the Floating and Dancing Cork
of Fred Kaps from Stevens.
.
Daniel Cros has a very nice variation using a little "real" seahorse
that I think is a GREAT item to float...it has a built in, natural,
hook!!! It is light in weight and can be cool dancing on the out
stretched hand of a lay person (a lady)... is elegant and fits
many social situations...
.
The biggest problem, as I see it, there are too many dudes all
doing the same stuff... they see it and they want to do it...
.
Try to be the guy others see and want to copy...
.
Don't stop thinking too soon.
.
Good luck, and happy floating!
Msg #28586 Dated 22:13:31 12-14-91 28574 <--> 28911
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BOOK TITLE
Gee, that sounds like an updated version of the BRACO book I have,
which was published in Berlin, is 150 pages (dual language) but
I didn't find any magnetic field stuff. Only a mention of that
principle... Guess I will have to buy the newer edition now...
ARgh...
Msg #28587 Dated 22:30:57 12-14-91 28421 <--> 28597
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
David,
Thank you for the compliment. You will find that my wife and I
are not necessarily bound by the unspoken rules of society. We
abide by them, as it seems you do, to avoid situations that would
upset or offend people we don't know well. It would, however, be
nice to receive a printed manuscript with all these rules in
them, so at least one would know when he has stepped out of
bounds.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28588 Dated 22:31:03 12-14-91 28422 <--> 28619
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
With me, I guess it would depend on how long the socks had been
beforehand. (beforefoot?)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28589 Dated 22:31:08 12-14-91 28423 <--> 28593
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I believe, that these scientists believe in what they are doing.
Just because one is a scientist, does not in any way guarentee
that they will follow the scientific method. This is as true for
those studying psychic phenonmenon as those trying to disprove
it.
I have a book called "The Probability of the Impossible" by Dr.
Thelma Moss (who used to be associated with U.C.L.A.) that has
some very large leaps of logic.
On the other hand, I've built and operated Kirlian photography
machines, and have personally achieved the "Phantom Leaf" effect.
So Randi's explanation is, to me, unbelievable.
CSICOP is an interesting organization and their magazine "The
Skeptical Inquirer" is an interesting magazine. I just wish that
their incredible bias against claims of the paranormal was not so
strong as to affect their reporting of a subject.
In this, as in religion, I am an agnostic. I just don't know.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28590 Dated 22:31:17 12-14-91 28424 <--> 28595
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
David,
The meter # is 246 and it is in front of 1026 N. Highland Ave.
Good luck!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28591 Dated 22:31:22 12-14-91 28437 <--> 28637
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
Pete,
And besides, Sununu isn't there to defend himself.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28592 Dated 22:31:27 12-14-91 28440 <--> 28594
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
I frankly don't know much about the Geller organization. I've
just seen his televised performances.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28593 Dated 22:31:32 12-14-91 28441 <--> 28596
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Pete,
On the other hand, nobody has taken Randi's check. I wonder how
someone like Max Maven would do? I've often thought about
putting together something that would take that check, but Randi
plays unfair. He makes a person doing the challenge state
emphatically that they are indeed psychic.
Damned old conscience.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28594 Dated 22:31:38 12-14-91 28443 <--> 28598
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
However, Copperfield had to work long and hard for a reputation
as an illusionist. He said basically, I'm not a superman, but
I'll amuse and entertain you.
Geller, however, says, look everyone, I am superhuman, and you
can be too. Just send your check or money order to....
(Okay, he's not that blatant about the money, but you get the
idea.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28595 Dated 22:31:44 12-14-91 28444 <--> 28628
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
Actually, most of the underwear was red.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28596 Dated 22:31:48 12-14-91 28447 <--> 28600
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Pete,
Interesting stuff about Geller. Max Maven wants some facts about
times when Geller was caught, and I'm going to have to tell him
that the book I own on the subject is on loan to a friend.
ARgh!(tm Biro)
Which reminds me, I bought my first issues of Genii and found an
Argh (tm Pete Biro) in it that delighted me. Also, Tabby is a
heck of a good writer. It is amazing how different this sort of
writing is from something that one would publish.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28597 Dated 22:31:55 12-14-91 28448 <--> 28626
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Pete,
I am a subcriber to CompuServe and familiar with their system.
Actually, I don't like it much. I'm no expert in the commands,
but I seem to be required to enter and exit every sub-section
before being allowed to read the other sub-sections.
This is a pain.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28598 Dated 22:32:01 12-14-91 28457 <--> 28599
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Jerry,
I'm afraid that the government is not too concerned over how
"our" money is spent. Did you see the report that was done last
year on government spending. It included millions to study
Bovine flatuation.
I have purchased many "underground" books in my life, and would
not depend wholeheartedly on the accuaracy of any of them. Only
with a second legitimate source would I rush in where wise men
fear to tread.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28599 Dated 22:32:08 12-14-91 28458 <--> 28601
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Jerry,
On the other hand, Randi was in on the sting operation that
nailed Popov. It doesn't, however, seem to have affected Popov's
ability to make money.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28600 Dated 22:32:13 12-14-91 28468 <--> 28607
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Max,
I'm not ignoring your question, but have to get my literature
back on the subject. Will let you know as soon as I have names
and dates.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28601 Dated 22:32:19 12-14-91 28488 <--> 28602
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
I'll undoubtedly steal your pronunciation of Mr. Geller's name,
so I might as well ask for permission. Don't worry, just a
little social stealing, no pro work.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28602 Dated 22:32:24 12-14-91 28532 <--> 28605
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Philip,
I intentionally stated that I could duplicate the effect. I
never claimed to have discovered his method. My point is, if Mr.
Geller were to publically, or on an un-gaffed film was seen
"leaping in the air and landing almost 100 miles away..." then I
would be convinced.
I also never stated as fact that psychic phenomenon doesn't
exist. I have simply seen no convincing evidence to support it.
Great having you on-line, and hope to hear more from you.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28603 Dated 22:32:31 12-14-91 28490 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "TABBY SOUND"
Pete,
You would have to make such a deal for me to be able to afford
that property, that they would probably lock you away afterwards.
But it sounds beautiful. Good luck with it!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28604 Dated 22:32:36 12-14-91 28535 <--> 28644
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
Stan,
Is cutting in line a problem at the Castle? Thank you for
remembering, as I didn't know that there were applications for
membership. I just assumed one made an appointment for an
audition, and auditioned.
Yes, very much fun! Thanks again for the tour. It was a real
treat!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28605 Dated 22:32:42 12-14-91 28536 <--> 28638
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Stan,
This has always been Randi's point. That scientists are used to
dealing with phenomenon that are not trying to fool them, and so
have a tendency to take things at face value.
Randi feels that "psychics" should prove themselves in front of
people who make a living fooling other people.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28606 Dated 22:32:48 12-14-91 28542 <--> 28616
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW WAY
Pete,
Great effect! I've never worked jumbo cards, but might be
interesting to try.
Thanks for sharing!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28607 Dated 22:32:53 12-14-91 28544 <--> 28613
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
T.A.,
I'll let you know when I let Max Maven know. I've got to contact
a friend and get my documentation back.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28608 Dated 22:32:58 12-14-91 28569 <--> 28647
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: SECONDS
Geno,
Since my first message, I've gone over the tape several times. I
still love it. I am still a little sloppy with the second, but
have no doubts that with time I will smooth out. Up until now, I
had no idea if I was even practising correctly. ( I wasn't.)
I am very much anticipating that financially sound day when I can
purchase the rest of your tapes. GOOD STUFF!
Thanks very much.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28610 Dated 0:13:30 12-15-91 28575 <--> 28614
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
No, David, that is not what I am saying at all; stupid performers are
not a luxury magic or any other art can afford. I am saying that a
performer may choose, for artistic reasons, to do things which may
offend some part of his audience and -- while realizing that may happen
-- feel the artistic point to be made is worth alienating a segment
which may not like it. This is a very different thing from the
performer who alienates people through insensitivity and stupidity.
Msg #28611 Dated 0:17:11 12-15-91 28550 <--> 28708
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ULTIMATE TV
Heartwarming to know that you don't even have to be alive to shill for
a product...
Msg #28612 Dated 1:29:51 12-15-91 28555 <--> 28649
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Pete -
Any chance we could vanish "super pig" in that secret compartment?
Nah, probably not - the smell would give it away.
Msg #28613 Dated 2:03:45 12-15-91 28589 <--> 28636
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Yes, it is the apparent bias in stuff like CSICOP does that bothers me.
Anytime someone has to overreact to make a point or has to dismiss the
claims of others I am suspect of their work. I also suspect them of
being fearful and shallow. I simply can't understand why a group of
"scientists" would be so afraid of the possibility of "paranormal"
possibilities.
I try to be agnostic in this regard, but I find that the "science" side
comes up short in credibility.
Msg #28614 Dated 2:08:46 12-15-91 28565 <--> 28615
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Someday Max is going to surprise me and actually understand what I
write! Of course, when that day comes, his reply will probably be the
last message that I read. They will find me slumped over my terminal,
clutching my heart.
Msg #28615 Dated 2:12:23 12-15-91 28610 <--> 28648
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
So I could call it a "Chink Can" if I felt it was artistically
important to do so, but I shouldn't call it by that name if I don't
know any better?
Msg #28616 Dated 2:15:18 12-15-91 28542 <--> 28646
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW WAY
That is an interesting idea, Pete! I rather like it! Don't have any
jumbo jumbo cards, so I guess I'll have to work out a variation using
a mini-deck and a regular deck and do it for small audiences.
Msg #28617 Dated 2:16:49 12-15-91 28543 <--> 28662
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IDEA FOR ALL
Or... DO TWO SHOWS - One now and one during a "dead" month. But I
think you are right. I was once part of a group that did a Holiday
Party for an orphan's home. Found out it was the FIFTH party the kids
had been to that week!!! Yep, rest of the time, nobody cares.
Msg #28618 Dated 2:18:53 12-15-91 28549 <--> 28654
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Lemme know when you are coming into town to see Seabrooke. You are
welcome to the guest room here at Techy Heaven if you want it.
Msg #28619 Dated 2:20:15 12-15-91 28551 <--> 28620
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I agree with you! Too many folks don't have a life! There was
apparently a good Time Mag article on some of this that I want to track
down. But I'm too afraid to go to the food store to look for it
because I can't remember what all the things are that I'm supposed to
boycott (hmmm.... maybe Time Mag. is one of 'em!) and I hate it when
the protestors spot the items in your grocery sack. Besides, I always
get soooo mixed up when they ask me if I want "Paper or Plastic?"
Msg #28620 Dated 2:23:22 12-15-91 28553 <--> 28621
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Turns out that Juan Valdez was recently taken prisoner by U.S. forces
in the area - seems that what he was carrying down the mountain WASN'T
COFFEE.
Msg #28621 Dated 2:24:42 12-15-91 28588 <--> 28655
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
There is some wonderful, convoluted, shaggy dog story about a bear with
human feet who had some teakwood boxes belonging to a Chinese dude.
All I can remember is the darn punchline - something about "Boyfoot
bear with teaks of Chan."
Msg #28622 Dated 2:26:30 12-15-91 28577 <--> 28656
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
RE: Using MAGIC! as Pete's diary.....
You are somethin' else, dude! Some days I just wish I knew what the
"somethin' else" that you are is!
Msg #28623 Dated 2:27:27 12-15-91 28563 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAC CONSULTANT
OK, thanks, Scott. Between you and Mike King, we should have some good
Mac support.
Msg #28625 Dated 2:37:54 12-15-91 28584 <--> 28783
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM HILLEBRECHT (X)
Re: CLUB INFO WANTED
I'm not really close to the Ventura magic scene, but I'm sure someone
can come up with a suggestion or two.
Msg #28626 Dated 2:42:36 12-15-91 28587 <--> 28627
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
It seems that there is no longer a "Uniform Code of Social Conduct."
What you have to do now is meet the person for the first time and
exchange books! Then you will know that you shouldn't mention brocolli
in their presence or whatever. I guess that it is even better to mail
the books ahead of time so that you know if you do want to meet each
other or not!
Anyway, it was a pleasure to get together and your wife is a delightful
person.
Msg #28627 Dated 2:46:29 12-15-91 28597 <--> 28635
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
That will NOT be the case when we go ahead with the sections here.
Once you have selected the ones you want (or have decided to keep
seeing All - the way it will be initially set) the sections are
transparent. There is NO shifting from one to another. The only
differences you will see are a section name next to a message number
and, when you enter a new message (rather than a reply or an append)
you will be asked for a section number. Otherwise, the system will
operate exactly as it does now.
Msg #28628 Dated 2:49:29 12-15-91 28590 <--> 28684
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
Thanks for the info about the meter. I will let you know if I decide
to go ahead and contest it. I'm just sorry you had the miserable
experience of having it happen.
Msg #28629 Dated 6:15:59 12-15-91
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
MAGIC!-NL Sat 14 Dec 91 14:57
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Here is another Geller sympathizer !
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Msg #28630 Dated 6:16:03 12-15-91 -> 28685
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
MAGIC!-NL Sat 14 Dec 91 15:05
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Okay. so you feel that there is not a single stunt you cannot
reproduce which Geller has done, try duplicating his only real
important stunt , make a sensation all over the woworldIn that
sense nobody in our time has equalled Geller.
I think that many think that they can duplicate this, but they do
not realise all the aspects here. And I suppose it makes ( has
made) a few people jealous of Gellers succes. I even have the
suspicion that Randi, with his so called concern for "the
taxpayers money" is jealous, but I cannot know that for sure of
course. But the fact
that he goes further than just exposing, gives the idea to me
that Mr. Randi has a few personal problems here.
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Msg #28631 Dated 6:16:10 12-15-91 -> 28669
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
MAGIC!-NL Sat 14 Dec 91 15:11
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
I agree completely with you. Although the Fitzkee books are
written in the forties, it is still aplicable today. Okay, the
accent on
some things has shifted over the years, but that will always
continue. Any update on Fitzkee will be sort of out of date one
day as well.
Also, it may at point not be complete, but any book on these
subjects can ever hope to be complete.
Fitzkee, basically was my first theoretical books, and I can say
that I learnt most of what I know by studying Fitzkee,
studying...not reading! Although the information can also be
gotten from other books, Fitzkee is just as good as any other. In
that
sense there is not really a need for an update.
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Msg #28635 Dated 8:45:18 12-15-91 28587 <--> 28641
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Generally you know when you have stepped out of bounds when the
referee signals you. That can be a waving pair of arms, a whistle
or someone stepping on one of YOUR TOES?
Msg #28636 Dated 8:45:23 12-15-91 28589 <--> 28640
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Reminds me of my Pet Praying Mantis, I had when a kid... we had to
get rid of it when we found out it was an aetheist. ;+)
Msg #28637 Dated 8:45:27 12-15-91 28591 <--> 28688
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
Yeh... Sununu is using the MILEAGE PLUS points he earned before the
year is up and cruising the skies to the South of France?
Msg #28638 Dated 8:45:31 12-15-91 28592 <--> 28639
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I used to follow... but had lost interest in the whole thing...
Now I just want to see what the Amazing Randi is up to... I used
to see Randi quite a bit when I regularly commuted to work in NY,
but haven't seen him since that TV Talk show in San Francisco...
about 15+ years ago...
Msg #28639 Dated 8:45:38 12-15-91 28594 <--> 28642
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Oh, you have opened up an area I know nothing about... "I'll take
your check?".... briefly explain....
.
Is it like the old days when a friend of mine sent in $5 and
"became" ... "Reverend Muir" and got a certificate to hang on the
wall????
Msg #28640 Dated 8:45:46 12-15-91 28596 <--> 28650
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Published work often gets edited! ARgh...?
Msg #28641 Dated 8:45:49 12-15-91 28597 <--> 28682
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
There is a shareware program in "go tapcis" that automates all of
it... one keystroke (when in program) "N" and it goes on, downloads
all new messages headers (or the full messages, you set up what you
want to do) and logs off by itself. I generally go on, leave the
computer while it is downloading, go make coffee, come back it is
off and I read and mark the headers... One Keystroke "O" and it
goes on pulls 'em down and exits automatically. N is for New and
O is for Online...
Msg #28642 Dated 8:45:59 12-15-91 28599 <--> 28643
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Usually, as Geller said in MAGIC, the raids, the blasts, the
attention given by the groups INCREASES the publicity and their
bookings!!!
Msg #28643 Dated 8:46:04 12-15-91 28601 <--> 28645
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Go for it... you kinda slur it so they aren't sure if you did
pronounce it correctly... and don't make big thing of it... the
context (when I use in a show) is very important... hopefully
there are no cultures that think it some kind of ethnic slur.
.
Speaking of which,,, I have been struggling FOR YEARS... trying
to figure out a 'REPLACEMENT' for "Polish" in some jokes I do to
set up a killer effect/presentation (MY CLOSING SIGNATURE PIECE)
and have come up with substituting the word "POLISH" for "ETHNIC",
... I say, "These two ETHNICS... we can't say Polish anymore...
so we say ETHNIC... this way you can think of your own group to
offend.... (etc...)"
.
And in another routine I call a blackboard a "chalkboard" adding,
"they won't let us say BLACKboard anymore..."
.
Just thot I'd tell you am trying to do my part.
.
Max won't like this... but I think it WAS FUNNY that Grant's use
of Chinese Calligraphy on the Temple Screen said, "No Smoking"...
In his day, Grant probably figured that was pretty funny...
.
In his ref to Conventions... surely he didn't mean the IBM, we have
had more Black, Gay and Females on our shows since I have been
in charge than EVER! And a few lousy straight, WASPS too.... argh.
Msg #28644 Dated 8:46:29 12-15-91 28604 <--> 28668
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
In the old days instead of cutting in line you would chat up the
act in the lobby and go into the close up room the back way with
the act... (don't be stupid and take a killer front row seat)...
then when those that waited in line for a looooooong time came in
the first few are the only ones that see you in there before them,
but THEY DON'T CARE as they are IN and getting the good seats. The
last ones to get in didn't see you - they just see a nearly full
room and don't know you were there early... (trade secret No. 27).
Msg #28645 Dated 8:46:38 12-15-91 28605 <--> 28664
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I don't think the Psychics need to prove anything to anyone if they
don't want to. Since there aren't any anyway... who cares.
.
I know there are gullible people out their being bilked out of
their life savings... MORE BY RATS THAN FAKE MINDREADERS THO...
AND BANKERS.... ARGH....
Msg #28646 Dated 8:46:45 12-15-91 28606 <--> 28653
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: NEW WAY
Only reason I thought of it is there are a lot of folks out there
that have bought the cards and don't use them... this gives them
one more reason to maybe use them... I wish I had time to write a
complete lecture on OTHER TRICKS TO DO WITH PROPS YOU OWN AND ARE
TIRED OF THE EFFECT THAT CAME WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS.
Msg #28647 Dated 8:46:52 12-15-91 28608 <--> 28696
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SECONDS
I don't know if you play kitchen poker with friends... but the
best way to learn seconds is to deal them in a real game... just
for fun, don't worry about what the cards are.
.
I used to do bottoms and seconds, false shuffles and cuts just for
my own entertainment... most people in those games don't watch
close and there is little money at stake... the deportment of the
game is the real way to watch for ways to steal money (note I didn't
say CHEAT... gamblers in the business STEAL MONEY)....
Msg #28648 Dated 8:47:02 12-15-91 28610 <--> 28651
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Don Rickles offends one so the others laff and it works... because
NO ONE is safe... one group KNOWS he will soon get the OTHER group.
.
But in his case you go there expecting to be insulted... it is all
ATTITUDE, DUDE...
Msg #28649 Dated 8:47:08 12-15-91 28612 <--> 28667
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Pretend you Like Super Pig.... looks a little like Sinunu now that
you think about it....
Msg #28650 Dated 8:47:12 12-15-91 28613 <--> 28663
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
One of the "major" psychic investigators that I have met, Ray Hyman,
from Oregon, seemed to be OPEN minded in our discussions and kinda
hoped that he WOULD INDEED find someone that really had the power,
but in all his years had not.
Msg #28651 Dated 8:47:18 12-15-91 28614 <--> 28652
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
It is OK to clutch your heart if it is still inside your body...
Msg #28652 Dated 8:47:20 12-15-91 28615 <--> 28673
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
OK heres a scenario... pick up the prop... say, "Here is a trick
with a Chink Can... named that in honor of the inventor, a Knight
of King Arthur's court, that had a chink in his armor..."
Msg #28653 Dated 8:47:25 12-15-91 28616 <--> 28672
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW WAY
YOU DIDN'T READ IT DUDE... YOU can't do it with JUMBO JUMBO or any
large or medium card... It HAS TO BE THE gaffed card that shows
a Jack of Spades and when turned 180-degrees, on its axis... whoops
didn't offend any old German politicians with that word?... uh,
when turned over, it changes to a Queen of Hearts. Abbott used to
sell a poorly made one, Owen sells a medium quality one and Ton
Onasaka sells the best in the world... (quality relating to
how close the viewer can be)... they come in sets of 3 for the
giant stage version of Cherchez la Femme...
.
Otherwise buy the McComical Deck and do his version, or use the
Ken Brooke "Potty Prediction" where the card (a normal Jumbo) is
switched in a clever big envelope with a window... or go to my
lecture (meybe it was in the notes I sent you????) and see the
version I use with a slate!
.
Proving no one reads... I was asked at the IBM meetings in SLC to
put a clause in the contracts covering fact that the acts "had the
rights to use the music in their acts" (ASCAP and BMI are starting
to spot check shows to see if licencing fees have been paid)... SO
I PUT THAT IN... then later I am checking something else in the
contract AND THAT CLAUSE WAS ALREADY THERE... I PUT IT IN A YEAR
AGO....
Msg #28654 Dated 8:47:48 12-15-91 28618 <--> 28676
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
The middle Sunday of his run... does the 20th-ish sound right?
Msg #28655 Dated 8:47:51 12-15-91 28619 <--> 28679
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Confuse the boxers... say "both"... (paper/plastic)...
Msg #28656 Dated 8:47:53 12-15-91 28622 <--> 28677
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
I have such bad recall that I never know what or who I am either.
I am just abstract and free form... sometimes that is good, sometimes
it is bad... I have been described as a Chameleon... is that OK?
... OOOOPS my fax machine is calling me... stay tuned...
Msg #28657 Dated 8:47:59 12-15-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MAH BOOKE
Ee;28626
Communications are wonderful.... I just got a FAX from Claude
Isbeque (Klingsor) in Brussells... backing up the research I have
been doing on the history of the linking rings... and he has FIVE
of the Solid Silver rings made for a special command performance,
re-enactment of Damatus' act from 1530 !!!!!!!!!!! and a full
translation for me from the book published in 1550 in Spain...
THE FIRST KNOWN "in print" description of someone doing the rings.
However the Japanese book "HOKASEN" still remains the first record
of how to do the trick.
.
there is more... but you got to buy the book (out next year)... OK,
will do a discount for members of MAGIC!
Msg #28658 Dated 8:56:34 12-15-91 -> 28697
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: CHARLIE MILLER
I was not too happy with the recent mention of my tape in the
magazine, MAGIC, Mike Weber did not have the facts correct. It is
a shame that this magazine allows reporters to do a story without
even calling me. I talked to Weber and he agreed with me. This is
called sensationalism, and totally unnecessary. I have sold this
tape to magic dealers, magicians and others without Charlie Miller
being the "point of sale purpose", or even mentioned.
From Weber's comments he tries to say I breached a secret
confidence with Charlie. This is a joke! If you follow this type
of thinking this means that if Charlie showed you any point about
any effect or gambling sleight, you could never talk about it or
use it. Well, him showing me the cigar box holder for the sand
paper is all we are talking about....and I thought it very
practical. And if I were stealing from him, or anyone else, why
did I mention his name. Totally absurd and I wish Charlie Miller,
Charlie Miller, Charlie Miller was here to tell them to F.O., but
he would not say it in that manner. He would simply say, "Ask me
what I think about this", and he would not utter a single
word.....I will probably get flack for revealing this secret too.
Pretty much anymore in the MAGAZINE magic, you can't miss-spell
one word, or an atomic bomb will be dropped.
And you know one more thing Charlie told me......"these so called
experts can't earn a quarter doing these things"....well said
Charlie.........
....next episode......I will tell a little more about Charlie and
our escapades........Charlie stayed in my home for a short time,
lived in the hotels, notice I said hotels, were I worked, and spent
time with me as a friend. I must note that Johnny and Pam Thompson
were the closest to Charlie, where Charlie spent most of the time
in their home. He did however have a very wealthy Lady friend at
the beach that adored him.
Charlie really liked Johnny and Pam. In fact Thompson, Jim Houston
and Paul Endy were the only people Charlie talked about with
me.......
December 12, 1991
To The Editor and Michael Weber
MAGIC
4067 Hardwick Street 322
Lakewood, CA 90712
FAX 213-408-2588
Dear Gentlemen:
I appreciate your reviews of products, especially mine, but
please get your facts correct, because as a lawyer you should be
more conscious of these details.
In reference to my "stripper" video you say, "In the ads and on
the tape, Geno explains that the method he is teaching was revealed
to him by Charlie Miller." Not exactly, the stripper deck has been
around awhile and the method of sanding and cutting with glass goes
back farther than Charlie Miller, and I in fact learned the method
the first time from a gambler by the name of Sam Lorefel, from
Detroit. The only real difference here is the way Charlie showed
me how to use cigar box pieces to hold the sandpaper. I put my
first work on the stripper in a book called, "The Magic of Jimmy
Grippo", in 1981. Also you will find my work on marking the
cards on the faces here, some so-called experts call this black
line work.
(I mention this in reference to Mr. Malek-Sadigh's letter.) The
secret of sanding is pretty common. And besides, this is a
gambling secret, not a magic secret, and how did you know what
dialogue Charlie and I transpired?
I first met Charlie in the gambling world, in Las Vegas, long
before I knew him as a magician. We have many of the same friends.
Charlie once worked in the same hotel I worked in as an "eye in the
sky". We had many things in common from this.
I paid Charlie to do "outside work" for me, he lived with me for
short periods of times in my house, and hotels were I worked.
Also Mike, I did place one advertisement in LINKING RING almost
five months before the tape was even produced, and have never
advertised any reference to Charlie Miller about the video since
this. His name is mentioned in the video because I am revealing
his favorite method of using sandpaper. In true honesty he can't
be given credit for inventing the stripper deck, whether it be the
belly, wedge or side, or whatever. I have the deepest admiration
and respect for Charlie Miller, but I did not produce the video on
the strength or reputation that Charlie had.
You are quick to be critical without investigating all of the
facts. Why don't you make a few phone calls, as any responsible
reporter would do before you decide to publish inaccuracies.
And one more thing.....Charlie did discuss many other gambling
ideas with me, that he did not invent. We even talked about
putting them in a book..
You have portrayed my work in an unfavorable light and the damage
has been done without my side of the story. Not good!
Sincerely
Geno Munari
Msg #28660 Dated 9:09:15 12-15-91 28498 <--> 28699
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
If I recall, (and I do) it was Schwarzman's Limited Magic.
Msg #28662 Dated 9:09:21 12-15-91 28543 <--> 28782
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IDEA FOR ALL
Good words, Biro-san!
Msg #28663 Dated 9:09:24 12-15-91 28596 <--> 28670
From: TABBY CRABB
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Thanxx
Msg #28664 Dated 9:38:23 12-15-91 28541 <--> 28665
From: STAN LAKE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Regarding "assuming Uri Geller cares to prove his abilities" you
understand my point completely. If he has real psychic powers he
wouldn't care about little sniping people trying to distract him or
sully his image. If he doesn't have real psychic powers he may not
want to pay attention to those same people because he doesn't need to.
He has the attention of a lot of believers who don't need "proof".
Msg #28665 Dated 9:45:25 12-15-91 28558 <--> 28666
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete, I can assure you from conversations I have had with friends and
acquaintances that not everyone who sees a performer at the Ice House
or the Magic Castle thinks it is all show biz- when it comes to
mentalism. I have never heard anyone say they thought a magician who
did coins across or cups and balls had paranormal powers but I have had
several people swear to me that the mentalism act they just witnessed
was a performance of true psychic powers. I find their belief to be
truly incredible even after I have assured them that it was all done by
less than paranormal means and like our sysop said, even after
duplicating the same trick that they found to be such fantastic "proof"
of the mentalists abilities. After Max's show I heard some people
talking about how there was no way he could have done some of his
effects by mere trickery, he MUST have psychic powers!
Max, if you're reading this have you ever considered starting your own
religion? You already have some wide eyed believers out there!
Msg #28666 Dated 9:55:50 12-15-91 28567 <--> 28671
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Well Max, the existence of a wig on someones head pretty much points
out the lack of hair on that same head. I'm sure you have seen some of
Geller's performances. Do you think he has any paranormal abilities
and if so which ones? All I know of him is what I read in the latest
edition of M A G I C and as far as I can tell he is at least a pretty
good showman. Anything else?
Msg #28667 Dated 10:11:42 12-15-91 28555 <--> 28675
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Is your secret hiding place the one downstairs? If not, then I'm not
going to tell either!
Msg #28668 Dated 10:14:05 12-15-91 28604 <--> 28694
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
Sometimes people forget their manners and do cut in line. One
variation is for someone to be near the front of the line and they want
their ten friends to come up and join them.
.
You don't have to have an application to audition as you can fill it
out when you arrive. It has a place for two members to sign and
recommend you but that's not a problem, two people from the audition
committee can sign it.
Msg #28669 Dated 10:29:42 12-15-91 28631 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
TO: TOMMY WONDER
It is good to hear from you, Tommy! I hope that you had a good trip to
the U.S., Japan, and back to Holland.
I certainly agree with you that the Fitzkee books require study, not
just reading. I find many of his statements to be completely
applicable to the current scene and in re-reading them I always gain
some additional insight. They were originally recommended to me by
Burt Carpenter and I am always very glad that he made that
recommendation.
Msg #28670 Dated 10:35:35 12-15-91 28650 <--> 28680
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I have no problem with any investigator that keeps an open mind. What
I do object to, in any field, is the "investigator" who arrives with
pre-conceived notions and works to "prove" them. Unfortunately, too
much of the "scientific" investigaton is conducted that way. I've just
never understood why these guys have such an axe to grind. You would
think that the first one to publish a documented account of actually
paranormal experience (assuming such might exist) would win heaps of
praise - NOPE. He would be drummed out of the scientific community,
assuming he (or she) could get their work published at all.
Msg #28671 Dated 10:41:03 12-15-91 28643 <--> 28689
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Polish, unless you are Johnny Thopmson, is most definitely "OUT."
"BLONDE" is in. Was in a resturant last night and heard one blonde
tell another (the one telling was female, the one listening was male)
over 100 successive "blonde jokes."
Msg #28672 Dated 10:45:09 12-15-91 28653 <--> 28724
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW WAY
Just for the record, I had read your message! I just called 'em "jumbo
jumbo" cards.
Msg #28673 Dated 10:46:50 12-15-91 28651 <--> 28674
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
RE: "It is OK to clutch your heart if it is still inside your body..."
Problem is, the clutch on my heart slips. Guess I'd better drink some
transmission fluid, no?
Msg #28674 Dated 10:48:11 12-15-91 28652 <--> 28712
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Er, good idea, but not exactly my knind of material - how about "Here
is a trick with a Chink Can... named in honor of the inventor, Edward
Can."
Msg #28675 Dated 10:49:16 12-15-91 28649 <--> 28722
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Yeah, I'm told that the best way to get rid of super pig is to pretend
that you adore it!
Msg #28676 Dated 10:49:54 12-15-91 28654 <--> 28678
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
I'll have to look at the sked. But let me know if you want to stay
here and I'll wash the sheets.
Msg #28677 Dated 10:51:14 12-15-91 28656 <--> 28917
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Hmmm... I didn't know anyone else around here was having that problem.
I head off into another room, only I forget what I was going there for.
Have to leave notes telling me to read notes. Just heard that it could
be due to too little zinc in my diet.
Msg #28678 Dated 11:39:28 12-15-91 28654 <--> 28728
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Yep, looks like the 20th of Jan. The Seabrooke is doin' Early Parlour
the week of the Jan. 13th to 19th and Palace the week of Jan. 20th to
26th.
Sked also shows that Flash Covington is working the Palace for two
weeks, Dec. 30th to Jan 5th and Feb. 3rd to 9th. On that second
appearance he will be with Jonathan Neal Brown and Sylvester the
Jester.
Msg #28679 Dated 11:42:51 12-15-91 28655 <--> 28681
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
When they boxers say paper or plastic, I usually say, "Touch one."
Then, depending on which one they touch, I say, "OK, now pick up the
other one..."
Msg #28680 Dated 11:55:13 12-15-91 28613 <--> 28687
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
David,
The problem with science is that it can't prove anything by
negative proof.
It seems strange to me that with all the people claiming
abilities far above those of normal human beings, that no one has
demonstrated those abilities to the point where they could claim
Randi's $10,000.
So, while agnostic, I guess I lean the other way in the argument.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28681 Dated 11:55:19 12-15-91 28621 <--> 28703
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
David,
I know the story you are talking about. I heard it when I was a
kid, and hadn't heard the original poem.
Oh how we live this life of allusions.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28682 Dated 11:55:24 12-15-91 28626 <--> 28683
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
The number of people who go out of their ways to be offended has
always astounded me. I guess this goes back to your
conversations with Pete about people who have nothing else better
to do.
The pleasure was ours, and if you decide you'd like to get
together again, please let me know. We'll do lunch.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28683 Dated 11:55:30 12-15-91 28627 <--> 28686
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
David,
I had hoped that that was the way you would set up the system. I
like things the way they are, but understand the need for what
you are doing. I am glad that, for the most part, it won't
change for those of us who don't want change.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28684 Dated 11:55:35 12-15-91 28628 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
David,
That's sort of funny, because I was sorry that you had the
miserable experience.
Good luck with fighting city hall.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28685 Dated 11:55:40 12-15-91 28630 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Tommy,
OUR FIRST CORRESPONDENCE! How wonderful!
Again, I must point out that I did not say I could duplicate
Geller's every stunt. I said that I had yet to see one of his
effects that I couldn't duplicate. Big difference.
I guess, since I am in the middle of all this controversy, and I
have not read the Magic article, that I should go ahead and
commit here and say that I believe Geller to be a fake.
So that I don't have to answer letters clarifying, let me repeat
*I believe* Geller is a fake.
It seems a little incongruous that a man who claims to be able to
jump many miles has to struggle so hard to get a compass needle
to point a different direction. Yet, if one were trying an
illusion, one would fake the strain so that no one would notice
the magnet in one's shoe under the table.
It seems unlikely to me, that there would be such a monumental
difference in mental strength from one "stunt" to the next in the
same person.
And frankly, all Geller would ever have to do to shut Randi up
once and for all would be to pass one of Randi's tests. This
would cause great embarrassment to Randi, and secure Geller's
claims forever.
No, Geller is not obligated to prove himself to anyone. The only
problem is, that Geller is making claims, to the public, that,
(wow, look at all the commas) so far, have yet to be
substantiated.
Yes, Geller did take the world by storm. I have not. But did he
take the world by storm in the way Einstein did, or the way the
piltdown man did?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28686 Dated 11:55:53 12-15-91 28635 <--> 28691
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Gosh, I hope they step on one of my fake toes.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28687 Dated 11:55:57 12-15-91 28636 <--> 28690
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I use the old line that I am an agnostic because I don't have the
faith to be an athiest.
If you're going to be in town, how about letting me buy you
lunch? I would enjoy meeting you.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28688 Dated 11:56:02 12-15-91 28637 <--> 28975
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
I have a strong feeling that Mr. Sununu is not going to starve in
the near future.
The oooooonly way to fly.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28689 Dated 11:56:07 12-15-91 28638 <--> 28692
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
I've yet to meet Randi, but sometimes communicate with him via
CompuServe.
I saw an interview with Geller and he on Good Morning America a
little while back, and frankly, Geller came off as sort of a
lunatic, and Randi came off as a rational kind o' guy.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28690 Dated 11:56:12 12-15-91 28640 <--> 28698
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Pete,
Reminds me of what Robert Heinlein said about editors.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28691 Dated 11:56:17 12-15-91 28641 <--> 28704
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Pete,
I've written my own scripts for downloading and uploading
messages. The first month I was on MAGIC! our phone bill was $80
from this alone. And that was with being careful to call only
late at night and on weekends. It could have been 3 times that.
So I sat down at the trusty computer, and learned my communcation
program's script language, and now happily read and write
messages offline.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28692 Dated 11:56:23 12-15-91 28642 <--> 28693
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Remember "The Last Temptation of Christ?" There was a movie that
would have died a quick and painless death except for all the
christian groups protesting it.
I have yet to read the Magic article, but it looks like I'd
better. I'm getting involved in debates all over the bloody
place about it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28693 Dated 11:56:29 12-15-91 28643 <--> 28695
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Great replacement! I'll have to remember it. Be careful though,
there is a large portion of the population that is offended by
ethnic jokes.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28694 Dated 11:56:34 12-15-91 28644 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE DAY
When we saw the acts (auditions) in the close-up room, the
performer came on after everyone had been seated. This would
give you a poorer seat than in "the old days."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28695 Dated 11:56:39 12-15-91 28645 <--> 28706
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Yes, I've got to agree that one of our inalienable rights is to
be stupid. No one will take that away from us. And people get
testy if you try to keep them from making a fool of themselves.
We have a bunch of "900" numbers advertised on late-night t.v.
down this way. I don't know if you get those elsewhere or not.
Some of them don't even use the "for entertainment purposes only"
disclaimer anymore. I wonder what sort of liability that carries
with it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28696 Dated 11:56:45 12-15-91 28647 <--> 28702
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SECONDS
Yes, we play penny-ante poker sometimes. I have a book called
"Cheating at Cards" by Al Lampkin that I've always been tempted
to try out. Of course no money could actually change hands if I
did this, so I don't know exactly how to go about trying it. I
can't make an announcment before the evening begins, or I lose a
huge advantage. I am afraid that if at the end of the evening
you said "Here's your money back, I was cheating" people would
always wonder from then on.
I guess I should just avoid temptation.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28697 Dated 11:56:52 12-15-91 28658 <--> 28919
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CHARLIE MILLER
Geno,
Reminds me of an old joke about a reporter who was admonished for
publishing inaccuracies without checking them. Now he checks
before he publishes his inaccuracies.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28698 Dated 12:03:53 12-15-91 28680 <--> 28716
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I guess that I have "science burnout" or something. But lately I've
been far more interested in exploring the paranormal side of things.
There is a great deal of insight into human behavior that I feel can be
gained from such exploration.
Msg #28699 Dated 12:06:04 12-15-91 28498 <--> 28700
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Pete,
RE:Leather Impact; I Don't think it's quite that bad. The dealer
was Howie Schwartzman and he was selling wallets. The routine,
and ideas are Walton's, and credit is given on the instruction
sheet. Tab mentions the FFFF incident. Maybe Howie didn't
anticipate the negative reactions of not including credit and
changed his writeup, I don't know. But I do know he now sells the
wallets with full credit and a writeup of the original Impact,
changing the words "envelopes" with the words "wallets" where
necessary.
As I've already lost his instruction sheet, I'm working out my
own handling. Who knows? I might even come up with something I
can call my own! Of course, if anyone asks, my inspiration came
from Roy Walton's "Impact".
David (the other one)
Msg #28700 Dated 12:06:18 12-15-91 28472 <--> 28701
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
You'll have to wait and see what's in the pkg but rest assured,
I DON'T WANT IT BACK!!
David (the other one)
Msg #28701 Dated 12:06:23 12-15-91 28439 <--> 28707
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Pete,
Yes, I know Nick fairly well. Took care of my dogs and then met
him again at Darwin's meeting. I sat with Gary, Nick, and Melinda
as they were coaching her on her new act at Bourbon Street some
years ago. I'll tell him you said hi.
That reminds me, some years ago Nick developed a trick with IBM
hollerith (punch) cards. They would predict two card choices, and
end with a visual climax. Perfect for David's overhead projector
presentation. Maybe he does something similar, but if he needs
another set of cards, Nick still has a few sets left.
David (the other one)
Msg #28703 Dated 12:05:50 12-15-91 28681 <--> 28713
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
One of my other favorites is a take-off on Ruyard Kipling's "If."
It says, "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing
theirs,
You probably don't understand what is going on!"
Msg #28704 Dated 12:07:35 12-15-91 28682 <--> 28705
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Well, now, Kevin, if we are going to "do lunch" then protocol demands
that you NOT tell me about it on E-Mail - you have to have your faxe
machine call my faxe machine... Sheesh! Don't you know nuttin'?
Msg #28705 Dated 12:16:17 12-15-91 28683 <--> 28732
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Thanks for your confidence. We try to make changes consistent with the
basic premise of the system, which is that it should be easy to use and
should not get in the way of the magic!
Msg #28706 Dated 12:23:03 12-15-91 28557 <--> 28709
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Thanks! Actually I've lurked here in the past, but I have been too
busy as of late to join in. I'll be around now more often.
--Philip
Msg #28708 Dated 12:29:25 12-15-91 28550 <--> 28737
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ULTIMATE TV
Yes, and you may not see it for long. There is a pretty big law suit
being prepared by the estates of Bogart and Armstrong because while you
can buy the rights to use the clips you have to get permission from the
"celebrity"(or estate) to use the likeness to promote a commercial
product.
This looks like the beginning of some wonderful legal tests ;-). Oh
well, the lawyers will get rich anyway.
--Philip
Msg #28709 Dated 14:14:36 12-15-91 28533 <--> 28710
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Interesting. That's in marked contrast the Geller performances I
remember from the 70's. I'm curious -- what claims does Geller make
now when he performs? Or is he still performing?
Msg #28710 Dated 14:15:40 12-15-91 28539 <--> 28714
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Okay, that's an answer, but no one expects the magician or mentalist or
any hybrid therein thereof to make their performance scrupulously
honest on all levels. Of course there has to be a certain level of
honesty, but when the magician says "these aces are going to transpose
with the three cards over there and join the ace of spades," he is
essentially lying. But, as a magician, there is an unspoken contract
between audience and magician that the magician will not, in fact, be
telling them how he _really_ did it. With a performer of mentalism
(proper terms escape me here), there is a different contract Max's
method is the cleanest one -- that is to make no special claims at all.
When I recently saw Kreskin on TV, he seemed to make many specific
claims, but I'd have to go back and re-look at that to say that with
anything approaching certainty... Anway, none of this is an attack on
the field or is a questioning of anyone's performing style or choices.
I'm curious on an academic and philisophic level as to very different
relationship between the audience and the magician, vs the audience and
mentalist.
Msg #28711 Dated 15:20:20 12-15-91 -> 28969
From: ARTHUR MOSES
To: ALL
Re: HOUDINI
I am always looking for Houdini memorabilia to add to my collection.
Books, magazines, photos, pamphlets, playbills, posters, personal
effects, etc... Also info on availabilty or where-abouts of any
Houdini films (except Man From Beyond which is easy to be had). Please
leave msg or write 3512 Wosley,Ft. Worth,Tx.,76133
Msg #28712 Dated 15:30:29 12-15-91 28615 <--> 28725
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
WELL -- you're getting closer...
Msg #28713 Dated 15:34:15 12-15-91 28551 <--> 28729
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Some of the groups are protesting so they CAN get a life...
Msg #28714 Dated 15:38:22 12-15-91 28594 <--> 28715
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
In this connection you might be amused by SECRETS OF THE AMAZING
KERSKIN, published by (of all people) Prometheus Preess. Geller makes
his money from two things -- public demos, where he does NOT promise to
teach others his abilities -- and corporate stuff, in which he is a
piker comapred to some Wall St. types.
Msg #28715 Dated 15:43:11 12-15-91 28665 <--> 28717
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I am curious; if they had been impressed by a non-skill gambling demo
by someone, would you have tried duplicating it to prove the performer
didn't have the gambling skill he or she was claiming?
Msg #28716 Dated 15:47:22 12-15-91 28607 <--> 28723
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
You mention in another posting "a book" -- would you remember the name
of the author? I have read just about everything in print re Geller,
including the Beh Narris GELLERISM REVEALED -- and while many of thses
posit methods of doing UG's stuff that does not, of course, constitute
exposure...
Msg #28717 Dated 15:58:27 12-15-91 28666 <--> 28718
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I can't resist pointing out that most wigs are ;worn by women -- who
have hair.
Msg #28718 Dated 16:58:12 12-15-91 28709 <--> 28719
From: STAN LAKE
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Evan, reread my message #28533. I was talking about Max Maven's
performance, not Uri Geller's. I have never seen Uri perform.
Msg #28719 Dated 17:20:48 12-15-91 28715 <--> 28721
From: STAN LAKE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
No. The distinction I make is that in a non-skill gambling demo they
are showing something that CAN be done. For instance someone does a
demo where they apparently deal seconds or from the bottom or even the
middle of the deck. Well, there are some people who can do just that.
If the performer is good enough a knowing spectator such as yourself
may not be able to tell if it was the real thing or not.
Now in an all mentalism act when a person claims to have or at least
infers they have, paranormal powers they are all (to the best of my
limited knowledge) giving the APPARENCY of mind reading etc. As far as
I know no one actually does do these things.
If this distinction isn't fuzzy and muddled enough let me make it more
so. In an act that includes mentalism as a part of it such as
predicting a card someone would pick or whatever, I wouldn't make any
attempt to dissuade someone from thinking the performer couldn't do
that small bit of mentalism. I just assume that when most people see
a performer change a red silk to blue, pull stuff out of an empty box,
etc. that they know it was all done with cleverness, technique,
misdirection, or whatever their concept of it is- along with the bit of
mentalism. Is that confusing and contradictory enough?
Msg #28721 Dated 18:48:16 12-15-91 28665 <--> 28731
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I recall sitting with Tony Corinda in London some years back, and
Jokingly telling him that I had a great IDEA for a name and concept
for a great FAKE religion. He loved it! He even thought of the
person that COULD/SHOULD front it... (I am not at liberty to
discuss this any farther... other than I suggested it because I
thought of the name/concept)....
Msg #28722 Dated 18:48:24 12-15-91 28667 <--> 28727
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
It IS downstairs.
Msg #28723 Dated 18:48:27 12-15-91 28670 <--> 28730
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Probably have a bad home life... rotten childhood... no brains...
no self esteem... (the list of cliches could go on forever... )
Msg #28724 Dated 18:48:31 12-15-91 28672 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW WAY
OK, I forgive you, dude
Msg #28725 Dated 18:48:34 12-15-91 28673 <--> 28726
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
NO... have you not read the label on Transmission fluid? It is also
good for transmitting messages via Mental Telepathy... argh...
.
Did I ever demo my "Mental Floss" routine for you?
Msg #28726 Dated 18:48:40 12-15-91 28674 <--> 28742
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
And his brother Sam Chinque...
Msg #28727 Dated 18:48:43 12-15-91 28675 <--> 28748
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
I wish I could affort it... it would look great on my lawn.
Msg #28728 Dated 18:48:46 12-15-91 28678 <--> 28749
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Who/What is Flash Covington?
Msg #28729 Dated 18:48:49 12-15-91 28679 <--> 28739
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
You have been listening to Maven too much... argh...
Msg #28730 Dated 18:48:53 12-15-91 28687 <--> 28747
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Plan A is to be at the Castle for Brunch on Sun. Jan. 20. (I write
by the AP Style book). OOOpss... AP says do not need "on" in the
above sentence... tsk...
Msg #28731 Dated 18:48:58 12-15-91 28689 <--> 28733
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Hey... they were on GMA... none of us were....
Msg #28732 Dated 18:49:01 12-15-91 28691 <--> 28760
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Kevin... read message 28691... I hope this was a JOKE?
Msg #28733 Dated 18:49:04 12-15-91 28695 <--> 28741
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
The ONLY things (radio and tv things, that is) that I really miss
about S. Calif., are Gene Scott and Jim Healy...
Msg #28734 Dated 18:49:08 12-15-91 28696 <--> 28792
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SECONDS
You miss my point. You deal seconds but don't know the top card.
You false shuffle but you don't stack... there is no change in the
odds, or anything... you don't tell... you are just excercising
your PHYSICAL skills. Actually, in a Poker Game a single cut messes
the cards up more than a shuffle. Think about it. If someone has
four of a kind, a couple of shuffles might spread them out so that
the same customer gets them all. If you only cut, the four will
go, one to each player...
Msg #28735 Dated 18:49:18 12-15-91 28699 <--> 28736
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Sounds logical to me... I just noted one of the most original
KILLER close up items I have seen in YEARS.... in MAGIC. But
everyone seems to be caught up in Max's column and the Geller
interview and have missed a GEM of close up magic.
.
I already developed a super "less skill" handling and can't wait
to finalize my routine with the new concept.
Msg #28736 Dated 18:49:27 12-15-91 28701 <--> 28759
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Thanks... yeh, Nick is one of the good guys. Hey, next time you
see him tell him to hook his modem in here...
Msg #28737 Dated 18:49:31 12-15-91 28708 <--> 28982
From: PETE BIRO
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: ULTIMATE TV
Gee, all the ad agencies I have ever worked with have clearing
departments and I would assume they sorted all that out before
they aired anything.... hmmmmm
Msg #28739 Dated 18:49:46 12-15-91 28713 <--> 28746
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I am sure many are... but so often they are no more than Sheep...
looking for a flock to hang out with, and the choices are usually
not thought out, but convenient...
Msg #28741 Dated 19:35:18 12-15-91 28717 <--> 28752
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
And by members of the British judiciary - who can be pretty hairy.
Msg #28742 Dated 19:37:50 12-15-91 28712 <--> 28743
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
No wonder the arts are so confusing! It is what I don't know that can
hurt me!
Msg #28743 Dated 19:39:01 12-15-91 28725 <--> 28744
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
I don't recall you ever doing "Mental Floss" for me. Guess I'll have
to see it sometime.
Msg #28744 Dated 19:40:40 12-15-91 28726 <--> 28781
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
No, no, Sam Chinque was not responsible for the creation of the "Chink
Can." He was responsible for the creation of the Sam-Which. But his
idea never made it because he put the peanut butter and jelly on the
outside.
Msg #28745 Dated 19:38:12 12-15-91 -> 28794
From: RICHARD HART
To: ALL
Re: FREE TO GOOD HOME
Due to allergies beyond my control, I find I must part with my favorite
bunny rabbit, "Buns", and his room mate, "Izzy Fuzzy" a rotund Guinea
Pig. I've used Buns in my children's shows for three years now, and
Buns is very tame. He's also rare, as dripping wet, he still weighs in
at under two pounds.
My doctor insists that if I want to continue breathing without
mechanical support, the two critters must go, so I'm tossing 'em up for
grabs.
FREE to good home. Bunny rabbit (white with very light charcoal dusted
ears and nose) and his faithful Guinea companion, Izzy. Will throw in
cage, food, and what's left of the kitty litter.
Call or leave message:
Richard W. Hart
1-(805)-496-1753
P.S. Would consider delivering in the immediate L.A. area.
Thanks,
_richard
Msg #28746 Dated 19:41:47 12-15-91 28729 <--> 28762
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Nope, not listening to Maven, but reading him! (Er, maybe I should say
"reading some of his published work")? Once upon a time he did a nice
little monograph titled "Verbal Control: A Treatise On The Underexplored
Art Of Equivoque."
BUT, before I totally annoy the Maven, let me point out that my posted
example WAS NOT an example of his refined technique.
By the way, there is a very nice bibliography of his work in the Files
Area.
Msg #28747 Dated 19:51:09 12-15-91 28723 <--> 28772
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Funny! Once upon a time there was a science fiction story about a mail
order do-it-yourself "Make A Scientist" kit. It included some pretty
awful things that you were to do to the child so that he would be
warped in the proper direction.
Gee, I wonder how any kids survive the unfortunate childhood it takes
to make a lawyer! Hmmm... Maybe it is easier than I think, considering
how many of 'em there are!
Msg #28748 Dated 19:54:04 12-15-91 28727 <--> 28753
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
RE: "I wish I could afford it... it would look great on my lawn."
Yep! Thats the idea! Write letter to Milt telling him that it is the
most beautiful sculpture you have ever seen! Hmmmm...... BETTER PLAN
--- Dues are due in January - how about everyone withhold them until
super pig is GONE.
Msg #28749 Dated 19:55:59 12-15-91 28728 <--> 28750
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Flash Covington is a cool dude who does some hip magic. Has some
unique patter and delivery that I very much enjoy (Book him, Dano!).
I've always connected him with Parlor, Close-Up, and walk around so I
have no idea what he is doing in Palace - maybe something new.
Seriously, I think you would like this guy.
Msg #28751 Dated 20:13:37 12-15-91 28583 <--> 28799
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE ERROR
Great, Pete. Always heave a sigh of relief when things get to where
they're supposed to go. Thanks again for the support and looking
forward to finally shaking your hand in Nashville. Happy holidays if
we don't have occasion to talk before.
Msg #28752 Dated 20:16:41 12-15-91 28721 <--> 28763
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Did it go any further than that with the religion? Do they tithe you
your 10%?
Msg #28753 Dated 20:19:10 12-15-91 28722 <--> 28754
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
We are probably thinking of the same place. I wouldn't leave anything
valuable in there though. Too many folks like to poke around while
wandering in and out of those rooms.
Msg #28754 Dated 20:21:14 12-15-91 28748 <--> 28796
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
That's a good idea about withholding dues. I'm going to wait until
the last minute but in the meantime I will let them know why I haven't
renewed on time- if I do indeed renew. That may or may not get their
attention. I do know they are always crying the financial blues so
they should take into consideration their members feelings and wishes
about the pig.
Msg #28755 Dated 20:27:54 12-15-91 28749 <--> 28780
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
I like Flash too but if you are going to recommend him to Pete you'd
better warn Flash about his thumbtip because that's what I've always
noticed about it- it flashes! He is a uniquely "cool" magician, I like
his shows.
Msg #28758 Dated 21:40:02 12-15-91 28252 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: M A G I C
Actually Evan, that won't work I get my copy of MAGIC hand delivered
by Tommy Trojan - so there !!
Msg #28759 Dated 21:40:08 12-15-91 28398 <--> 28830
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Good gawd David - If it wasn't for 'bad' you wouldn't have any luck
at all. Have cast a 'good' luck spell in your direction - so you
will have a good holiday season.
Msg #28760 Dated 21:40:15 12-15-91 28420 <--> 28813
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
The latest version of RDMAGIC has sections installed for the E
function. Right now it defaults to sec 13, am waiting for what the
legal sections are. Everyone using RDMAGIC (AKA IMP!) should use the
E function when responding to a msg that they want directed to anothe
r section. I could add a function that would act like the R & A
function, but really creates an E type response with a default of
the RE portion to be the same as the msg you are responding to. Then
all you have to do is enter an appropriate section number and it
will be directed to that section. The From/To fields would be filled
just as the R & A functions are now (i.e. R responds to the person in
the From field and A responds to the person the to field).
Msg #28761 Dated 21:40:33 12-15-91 28485 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HARTMAN
A 90 percentile adult - about 3 lbs worth if I remember correctly !
.
Looks like about 2 hands-full - not sure if it is hollow or not or
small it can go for a load !
Msg #28762 Dated 21:40:41 12-15-91 28553 <--> 28795
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Pete your GREASY comment is not ver magi-politico correct, watch out
you may have pickets on your front lawn. I know of one group that
already has YOU on their list - The Society for the Prevention of
Cruelty to Tea-pots. If you cremate one more - you is history !
Msg #28763 Dated 21:40:50 12-15-91 28432 <--> 28764
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
According to the MAGIC interview, he used his ABILITIES to discover
oil and gold - that's how he made his $$$.
Msg #28764 Dated 21:40:55 12-15-91 28487 <--> 28765
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
CIA's budget for psychic research is rumored to have been (perhaps
still is) quite large.
Msg #28765 Dated 21:41:01 12-15-91 28507 <--> 28766
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
He's knocked off quite a few out and out frauds, that use magic and
other 'aids' to bilk the public out of many, many bucks. But, yea
attacking Geller has been a good publicity boost for both of them !
Msg #28766 Dated 21:41:08 12-15-91 28598 <--> 28767
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
When the subject being discussed is clearly anti-establishment (be it
religious, political, or scientific) to find an alternate 'legitmate'
(i.e. support from the very establishemnt being 'attacked') is just
not possible. If you limit your information to just 'legitimate'
sources you are going to miss out on a lot of alternative ways of
seeing things. I try to absorb all I can and make my own conclusions
as to which point of view seems to offer the most 'truth' (whatever
that is).
Msg #28767 Dated 21:41:22 12-15-91 28599 <--> 28768
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
P.T. Barnum make the most insightful psychological statement ever
uttered, "There's a sucker born every minute". When someone has such
a strong belief system that nothing can alter it - you have the
answer to Popov's, Baker's, Swaggert's, Bagwan's, Sai Baba's, ...
ability to continue to make money off their followers.
Msg #28768 Dated 21:41:31 12-15-91 28602 <--> 28769
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I strongly suspect that if an object were to disappear and then
suddenly appear 100 hundred miles away - that you wouldn't become
a believer. You would continue to harbor the same mental set that
led you to dis-believe in the first place. If your mental-set were
to believe in paranormal manifestations, you can find all kinds of
OBJECTIVE accounts to support your preconceived viewpoint.
.
G
Msg #28769 Dated 21:45:45 12-15-91 28602 <--> 28770
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I strongly suspect that if an object were to disappear and then
suddenly appear 100 hundred miles away - that you wouldn't become
a believer. You would continue to harbor the same mental set that
led you to dis-believe in the first place. If your mental-set were
to believe in paranormal manifestations, you can find all kinds of
OBJECTIVE accounts to support your preconceived viewpoint.
.
Read up on Ram Das and how he become what he is today, versus what he
was in the past.
Msg #28770 Dated 21:45:51 12-15-91 28695 <--> 28771
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
There are two universal constants in the universe - Hydrogen &
Stupidity !
Msg #28771 Dated 21:45:55 12-15-91 28717 <--> 28800
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Did anyone understand Max's comment concerning wigs and hair? Try
substituting 'magic' and 'psychic ability'.
.
I thought it was an extremely clever line - did anyone get it ??
Msg #28772 Dated 21:45:58 12-15-91 28537 <--> 28773
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Perception is everything ! People that believe in psychic phenomena
do - those that don't don't. All the proofs either pro or con don't
seem to sway either group very much.
Msg #28773 Dated 21:46:02 12-15-91 28613 <--> 28774
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Get hold of the Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot. It reports
on the work by neurophysiologist Karl Pribham and physicist David
Bohm. It gives a model as how all modes of psychic phenomena might
work. Am now reading 'The Holographic Paradigm and other paradoxes'
which contains some of the original Pribham and Bohm papers. It's
quite fascinating and helps to 'explain' certain phenomena that other
models do not.
Msg #28774 Dated 21:46:07 12-15-91 28670 <--> 28775
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
The biggest problem is that many of the foundations of scientific
thought would have to be over-turned if psychic phenomena were
admitted to exist. If the pre-existing model of the physical plane
that the investigator uses does not allow for psychic phenomena is it
any wonder that he doesn't find proof of its existence !
Msg #28775 Dated 21:46:11 12-15-91 28698 <--> 28806
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Since the 'Harmonic Convergence' of August 1987 many, many people
have 'suddenly' felt the need to explore the paranormal side of
things - welcome aboard.
Msg #28776 Dated 21:46:14 12-15-91 28479 <--> 28777
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
I'm not familiar with PARALLAX (course I don't do cards or windows
- except Microsoft 3.0), could you explain the effect ? Knowing
what a person's favorite effect is and why, gives a window into
a person's personality.
Msg #28777 Dated 21:46:18 12-15-91 28504 <--> 28778
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Excuse my ignorance, but, what is the 'Edward Victor Bat Trick' ?
.
Re Ali - What do you give a 300 lb gorilla for his birthday ?
. ans: Anything he wants !
.
What ever Ali wants, Ali gets !
Msg #28778 Dated 21:46:22 12-15-91 28506 <--> 28807
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
That's the ticket. Something that we would all dismiss as too simple-
that kills the audience. I have a really dumb 'Sleight of a Sleight
Hand' routine that really should not fool anyone, but people just
eat it up.
.
I think the best acts have nothing but 'favorite' effects - it comes
through when effects are there just for time filling.
Msg #28780 Dated 21:46:33 12-15-91 28465 <--> 28797
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
My understanding is that Stevens has a 500 ticket block - do we have
enough juice on this board to see we get magico-correct seats ??
Msg #28781 Dated 21:46:36 12-15-91 28712 <--> 28793
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Just so I understand what you are saying would the following be a
correct scenario.
.
The Archie Bunker character used certain ethnic slurs to make points
about biggotry and stupidity - that's a proper use.
.
Andrew Dice Clay's use of ethnic slurs is just for laughs and shock
value and is an example of insensitivity and stupidity - that's an
improper use.
Msg #28782 Dated 21:46:42 12-15-91 28662 <--> 28809
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IDEA FOR ALL
Just interested - how many of you out there do benefit shows ?
.
I personally do at least one a year and should do more. The Orange
County Magic Club does the Albert Sitton Hall show for battered
children every Spring. Normally I don't do kids, but we do close-up
for the teens and it works just fine.
.
One year I was doing my cut and restored rope with a brand new pair
of scissors and cut a large hunk out of my left index finger. I was
bleeding all over the place - the kids thought it was part of the act
- they thought it was great. Fortunately, one of the other performers
was a Dr. and I got it taken care of right away.
Msg #28783 Dated 21:46:48 12-15-91 28625 <--> 29380
From: JERRY BURTON
To: JIM HILLEBRECHT (X)
Re: CLUB INFO WANTED
Leave a msg for Tony Blake he lives in Ventura and should know what's
happening up there - Welcome aboard the board.
Msg #28791 Dated 23:13:50 12-15-91 -> 28810
From: DOC EASON
To: ALL
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
35 inch base with powder and packed powder conditions. Fully booked and
looking forward to a great season. Nice to be on board here and once
I really figure out how to do all this I expect I'll be looking in on
the news. Hello Tabman and thanks for the welcome. See yall soon.
Msg #28793 Dated 0:13:49 12-16-91 28743 <--> 28841
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Basically it is a rope through your ears...
Msg #28794 Dated 0:13:52 12-16-91 28745 <--> 29120
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICHARD HART (X)
Re: FREE TO GOOD HOME
I hear rabbit tastes just like Chicken...
Msg #28795 Dated 0:13:54 12-16-91 28746 <--> 28804
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Files area... ah yesssssss... good place...
Msg #28796 Dated 0:13:57 12-16-91 28748 <--> 28801
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
I can't help on that one... am a Life Member... (when it was a
bargain... and so looooong ago....)
Msg #28797 Dated 0:14:01 12-16-91 28749 <--> 28798
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Anybody see Turk Pipkin on Comedy Central last night do a killer
funny "lounge lizard" type act with a giant box ala rabbit wringer
with a "blonde"... assistant??? Funny to the nines...
.
And today a re run of Sat. Nite Live on Comedy Central... where
Penn, of Penn and Tellem... DOES ALL THE VOICE OVERS... you can
hear him 24 hours a day, David... anyway... P&T did their Electric
Chair routine and Hodgson did his crazy nutcase act... this guy
is further out than Sylvester the Jester...
Msg #28799 Dated 0:14:14 12-16-91 28751 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: MESSAGE ERROR
You better do more than shake one of my hands... you better speak!
Msg #28800 Dated 0:14:16 12-16-91 28752 <--> 28805
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
No, nuttin came of it that I know of... was just jawin one night
with Corinda...
Msg #28801 Dated 0:14:20 12-16-91 28753 <--> 28802
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
To prove my Mental Ability... I am writing this before I read a
message from Burton... he wants to know what the E. V. bat trick is?
Msg #28802 Dated 0:14:24 12-16-91 28754 <--> 28815
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Why not everyone put a foney "gift certificate" in the Employee
Xmas envelope... "Good for the Pig... you get it one week?"
Msg #28804 Dated 0:14:34 12-16-91 28762 <--> 28811
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Teapot cruelty... hah... you know... Actually I like to melt their
whistles out...
Msg #28805 Dated 0:14:38 12-16-91 28763 <--> 28820
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
What abilities? Map reading?
Msg #28806 Dated 0:14:40 12-16-91 28774 <--> 28821
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Hey, how do they hold a break? And do they shuffle off?
Msg #28807 Dated 0:14:43 12-16-91 28776 <--> 28808
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Tabman is on the road until Tuesday...
Msg #28808 Dated 0:14:46 12-16-91 28777 <--> 28922
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
The E. V. Bat trick is an effect with a miniature English Cricket
Bat... much like a paddle routine, only you start with a plain,
black, blank paddle and make marks on same with a chalk... the
lines jump, etc. vanish, re-appear, etc.
.
I have done this probably 28,000 times. I had Les Smith, of Owen
Magic make a couple of them for me... just because I thought it
was cool to have an "Owen" mark... I broke one and Ali stole the
other... the RAT!!!
.
What I use now I carved from a piece of a paint stirring stick and
sprayed it with Black Chalkboard Paint.
.
The Patter and Routine took me 10 years to develop... and I will
break anybody's arms that nicks it!!! (not the trick, the patter
and presentation). It is sold by Magic Inc., in Chi town...
Msg #28809 Dated 0:15:02 12-16-91 28782 <--> 28842
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IDEA FOR ALL
I used to do a ton of them... the military hospitals during the
Korean war, etc... some nursing homes... and salvation army stuff.
but have not lately, as I have temporarily stopped performing for
producing and writing... will start again, tho...
.
I once asked a sailor to come up and help me. Was going into the
cut/rest rope... and HE HAD NO HANDS... so, "quicker thinking
when I was a mere lad..." I said, "OK, we use the buddy system."
Pointed to the guy that was sitting next to him and motioned him
up... had the guy without hands DIRECT his buddy... got lots out
of it... and later the guy THANKED me for using him and treating
him straight...
Msg #28810 Dated 0:15:15 12-16-91 28791 <--> 28829
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Hi Doc... glad to see you figgered out how to get in... as soon as
you get a little familiar... you need to download RDMAGIC, and
then you will be able to write offline and download things in less
than one minute of phone time... but, learn to walk first...
.
Tabman is on the road, driving from Nashville to Maryland to get
some of his stuff out of the shop to have in his new digs.
Msg #28811 Dated 0:15:23 12-16-91 28746 <--> 28835
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Verbal control... I got to get that... I hear it is worth its weight
in gold... (not heavy is it?)
Msg #28813 Dated 0:15:37 12-16-91 28760 <--> 28814
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Gee I didn't know all that... I do use R and E, but didn't know
about A, or was it V (the screen window covers the message so I
sometimes forget what I am responding to)... Al Simers?
Msg #28814 Dated 0:15:42 12-16-91 28760 <--> 28822
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Testing the A function. This should go to Lichtman ?
Msg #28815 Dated 0:12:50 12-16-91 28754 <--> 28856
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
I am certain that the pig has cost the Castle a great deal - I know
that I have not booked some business parties there because I feel that
the image is so degrading.
On the other hand, I was being somewhat facetious about my suggestion
since I don't want the MAGIC! members to be the "bad guys" in all of
this.
Msg #28816 Dated 0:17:57 12-16-91 28755 <--> 28817
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Yeah, Flash should get one of those custom thumbtips like I got - but
he can do his three-card monte without the tip. Just makes it a little
harder.
Msg #28817 Dated 0:19:13 12-16-91 28780 <--> 28818
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Seems to me that there are a couple of MAGIC! members that could help
us get good seats for S&R. Maybe if enough MAGIC! members indicate
that they are going to DMS and want to sit together we could see what
might happen...
Msg #28818 Dated 0:21:00 12-16-91 28797 <--> 28819
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Why you tellin' me, Biro? I haven't seen live television in two years.
OK, OK, tonight, just as the VCR cut off, Pavarotti popped onto PBS and
Nathan spotted it - so we had to watch his special. It was bath and
snack time, so he got us to turn on five television sets (playroom,
bedroom, kitchen, his room and bathroom) so he could watch it.
Otherwise we don't use the things - hasn't anyone told you they rot
your brain?
Msg #28820 Dated 0:30:22 12-16-91 28771 <--> 28824
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I too rather enjoyed Max's comment. Since it was in quotes, has anyone
asked the source?
Msg #28821 Dated 0:31:57 12-16-91 28730 <--> 28828
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Pete,
Does that constitute an invite, or did you want to try to get
together some other time? (Or, more likely, were you simply
enticing me with the fact that you would be in town, and wouldn't
even try to see me?)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28822 Dated 0:32:02 12-16-91 28732 <--> 28832
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Pete,
I am confused. I finally programmed this machine so that I could
go back and read old messages. I read the message that you were
insisting was a joke, and it was a message about the script
language I use for my computer. This was in response to your
message about the program available here.
Have I offended?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Found it! I had to go back several messages. I didn't get the
reference to CompuServe in the message before 28691. I thought
you were telling me how to get on and off this board easily. I
was happy that you were looking out for me, but wanted to explain
that I didn't need help here. Sorry about that, but I am
certainly happy not be be (so) confused anymore.
Msg #28823 Dated 0:32:10 12-16-91 28734 <--> 28863
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SECONDS
Pete,
I am spreading confusion like wildfire. I should have said, yes,
I think I will try some manipulations while playing friendly
poker sometime. You know, something ELSE I had considered trying
was to actually cheat at cards someday. But my conscience
wouldn't let me actually cheat anyone.
Sorry for more confusion.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28824 Dated 0:32:16 12-16-91 28766 <--> 28825
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Jerry,
Your point is valid, and you notice that I did not say that I
don't buy underground books now. I just take them with a grain
of salt.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28825 Dated 0:32:21 12-16-91 28767 <--> 28826
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Jerry,
The worst part is that the thought "Oh my, how can I help these
poor, unfortunate people from being swindled" is not what runs
immediatly through my head. The thought "Hmmmm, how can I get in
on this" is.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28826 Dated 0:32:26 12-16-91 28768 <--> 28827
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Jerry,
He (Geller) did not, according to Pete, claim to disappear and
reappear 100 miles away. (Though, even if this were the case,
and Geller actually did this faster than is normally possible for
human transportation, I would become a believer) He claimed to
have leaped into the air far enough to come to ground again
nearly 100 miles away. This too would make me a believer. If I
saw it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28827 Dated 0:32:33 12-16-91 28770 <--> 28844
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I always thought that intelligence was the constant. The
population is growing.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28828 Dated 0:32:37 12-16-91 28773 <--> 28837
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Jerry,
I read some of the very early work by Pribham and Bohm. Used the
idea in a sci-fi story. I haven't heard anything about it in a
long time.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28829 Dated 0:32:42 12-16-91 28791 <--> 28833
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Doc,
I've heard much about you. I look forward to being able to
correspond with you.
Welcome aboard.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28831 Dated 0:33:47 12-16-91 28759 <--> 28845
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
Thanks Jerry, you have a good holiday as well.
David (the other one)
Msg #28832 Dated 0:34:23 12-16-91 28760 <--> 28834
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Yes, I've got to get finished checking everything out (IMP! included)
to move to the section plan. Your help has been REALLY appreciated.
Msg #28833 Dated 0:33:50 12-16-91 28791 <--> 28843
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Welcome aboard! Just finished viewing your tape. Good stuff! One
of these days I'll try to make it to Snowmass and say hello. Let
me know if I can be any help with the system.
David (the other one)
(In case you're wondering, we have David (our SYSOP), David (the
TV guy), and me (I'm the other one)
Msg #28834 Dated 0:35:11 12-16-91 28814 <--> 28862
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Yep - the message that "This should go to Lichtman" DID. You've
discovered how to use "A" for Append!
Msg #28835 Dated 0:36:50 12-16-91 28795 <--> 28836
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Yep, I rather like the Files Area myself. But I do have some rework to
do on it. Some files have "fallen off" for some strange reason.
Sheesh!, but I hate computers!
Msg #28836 Dated 0:42:45 12-16-91 28811 <--> 28870
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Verbal Control weighs very little physically, but is strong mentally.
Maybe was freeze dried? I don't know if additional copies exist - you
gotta talk with Max.
Msg #28837 Dated 0:45:36 12-16-91 28773 <--> 28838
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Pribham and Bohm have done some interesting stuff. I haven't seen
Holographic Universe yet - will try to get a copy.
Thanks.
Msg #28838 Dated 0:46:55 12-16-91 28774 <--> 28839
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Hmmm... Funny, I thought that by definition science was supposed to be
able to overturn its own former gospel when new data arrives. Seems to
me that the astronomers do it pretty frequently. Guess maybe there is
a little osification in the sciences, hey?
Msg #28839 Dated 0:50:17 12-16-91 28775 <--> 28854
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Interesting! The Harmonic Convergence of August, 1987, huh? And I'd
thought it was a lack of zinc in my diet.
Msg #28841 Dated 1:00:27 12-16-91 28793 <--> 28853
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
RE: "Basically it is a rope through your ears..."
I thought that it might be. It also made me think of the blonde joke
I heard yesterday - How do you make a blonde's eyes sparkle? Shine a
flashlight in her ear.
Yetch!
Msg #28842 Dated 1:01:40 12-16-91 28782 <--> 28872
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IDEA FOR ALL
I do some benefits now and then - some for the MS Society.
You do know that you are not alone on the injury from cut and restored
rope, don't you? Copperfield did the same thing about a year ago!
Next thing you know, magician's rope will come with Federal warning
labels.
Msg #28843 Dated 1:06:48 12-16-91 28810 <--> 28867
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
I'm afraid that Pete's suggestion of RDMAGIC (aka IMP!) won't help you
much - it works on MS-DOS machines, not MACs yet.
Msg #28844 Dated 1:10:37 12-16-91 28825 <--> 28851
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
People spend their money pretty much the way they want to anyway. Some
folks travel, some play tennis, some buy lottery tickets (gambling is
a vice so immoral that only the state is allowed to engage in it) and
some have their palm read. If they don't do the above, the government
takes it anyway - and - guess what - spends it on psychic research!
Besides, those who have their fortune told are usually more careful
drivers than those who buy booze.
Msg #28850 Dated 2:21:00 12-16-91 -> 28874
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SIDEBAR
I can't resist passing on an one of Nathan's comments. I showed him a
new trick that I thought he would like, although, frankly, I thought it
was pretty dumb (it was a terrible cheap crummy method of getting a
coin to pass into an overturned glass). He said, "I don't care for it.
I can't believe it."
Later, he said, "Let's see that trick again - the one with the glass
and the TWO coins."
ARGH! (tm - Biro).
Msg #28851 Dated 4:14:39 12-16-91 28719 <--> 28864
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
If I understand you, your objection is based on your view that
paranormal events do not in fact occur; correct?
Msg #28853 Dated 4:16:55 12-16-91 28781 <--> 28871
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
I certainly agree pretty much with your judgements, but that isn't
precisely what we are muddling about with here. It is more that an
artist does things within a presentation BY INTENTION; he or she may
offend, but they are aware of this possibility -- unlike the person who
(for example) talks about Chink Cans and such with no thought of being
offensive, simply out of insensitivity, or lack of awareness.
Msg #28854 Dated 4:25:24 12-16-91 28838 <--> 28861
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Some physicist made the observation that new concepts in science are
not accepted by the science establishment. What happens is that the
younger scientists who accept the new information gradually replace the
old ones who die out.
Msg #28856 Dated 9:42:03 12-16-91 28815 <--> 28893
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Don't avoid the Castle... just get there ahead of your guests and
unscrew the lights that illuminate the great work of art. (Gwoa,
that's its name, you know...)
.
Actually, dudes, we have probably really hurt the feelings of a
serious sculpter.
Msg #28857 Dated 9:42:10 12-16-91 28816 <--> 28858
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
What 3 Card Monte? You mean he knocked off Goldfinger?
.
Thumb tip shows... tsk... You should be able to work with a chrome
plated one... It should never be seen. Just like your birdcage pull
or a palmed coin...
Msg #28858 Dated 9:42:17 12-16-91 28817 <--> 28859
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
I think you just go stand in line... so all go at once?
Msg #28859 Dated 9:42:19 12-16-91 28818 <--> 28860
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
My TV isn't live, it comes in on wire and shows up an this six foot
screen.
Msg #28861 Dated 9:42:38 12-16-91 28821 <--> 28876
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I will be there.... Take no offence... sometimes my shooting
schedule gets changed and it is tuff for me to make committments
and then I no sho... The reason I am going to TRY to be there is
that I talked to me mate, from Watford (Elton John owns the Watford
soccer team), Terry Seabrooke, on the phone and we have some biz
to do face to face... and he will be there, so I hope to be...
.
Via this here computing commuting of woids... keep in touch... am
glad if members of MAGIC! would care to be there...we would be
able to have a goooooooood time (Seabrooke use of word good)... and
I would HOPE WE CAN GET TOGETHER....
.
actually MAGIC! can do something really swell, I just thought of
and will pass it onto the beloved leader and see if he agrees....
.
STay Tune...d
Msg #28862 Dated 9:42:55 12-16-91 28822 <--> 28869
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Wrong again??? No.... the message looked worse than the next 2 lines
oeutlzs fau43u gfhgiwtu8quowaurgsakfjlk uir9ulkdjfrojkgtirjugoij
jkfoidj9iu4 kdjfeu9 8e890a78tjofm4ijtijckd9
.
Was garble....? And I thot maybe you scribbled so I had no idea
what wuz sed, some kind of secret code??? Mita been line noise...??
Msg #28863 Dated 9:43:02 12-16-91 28823 <--> 28980
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SECONDS
Like I said, "cheating is really STEALING".... AND some of us on
this planet can't steal more than paper clips and pencils from work.
Msg #28864 Dated 9:43:06 12-16-91 28824 <--> 28865
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You steal books AND SALT?
Msg #28865 Dated 9:43:09 12-16-91 28825 <--> 28866
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I have misread you... you ARE a "latent" thief.... tsk....
Msg #28866 Dated 9:43:11 12-16-91 28826 <--> 28924
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
On reflection, I think what happened is tht Geller actually got on
the Express instead of the "local" train that night... and the
short duration of the trip shocked him ;+(
Msg #28867 Dated 9:43:16 12-16-91 28829 <--> 28868
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Doc does not issue prescriptions... but makes good drinks and gives
good magic. See and meet him, live and IN PERSON at the IBM in SLC.
Now his joint would make a good train stop!
Msg #28868 Dated 9:43:21 12-16-91 28833 <--> 28873
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
You too can go to SLC and see the good doktor....
Msg #28869 Dated 9:43:24 12-16-91 28834 <--> 28898
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Goody... now to test "D" for dumb message?
Msg #28870 Dated 9:43:26 12-16-91 28836 <--> 28900
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Max Abrams lists it in his used up book catsassalog....
Msg #28871 Dated 9:43:29 12-16-91 28841 <--> 28889
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Being a former blonde, why can't you just say, "How do you make
a person's eyes sparkle?"
Msg #28872 Dated 9:43:33 12-16-91 28842 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IDEA FOR ALL
See... a guy does a trick on TV and next thing everyone else is
doing it....
Msg #28873 Dated 9:43:36 12-16-91 28843 <--> 28899
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Oh, god... I didn't know Eason was handicapped.... '+)
Msg #28874 Dated 9:43:39 12-16-91 28850 <--> 28901
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Remember my line about Abbott's Squash... the guy said "Show Fred
that trick you did for me with the Glass AND THE BALL"...
A
R
G
H
!
Msg #28876 Dated 9:43:52 12-16-91 28854 <--> 28890
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
By the time people become the age of the ones that they have
replaced... THEY HAVE BECOME LIKE THEM... Kids and their parents.
Kids get older and see themselves doing the things their parents
did that they thought were DUMB...
Msg #28877 Dated 9:58:29 12-16-91 -> 28882
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
S.S.S. publications refer to Super Session South, which was the name
of the late Rick Johnsson's 24 person close up get together. He held
three or four of these in Asheville, NC. At at least two of them, he
"published" a booklet of effects contributed by those who had
attended the session. I think I have a copy of issues someplace in
the files. If I come across them, I will keep you in mind.
Msg #28881 Dated 9:59:31 12-16-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABMAN STUFF
I suspect that if Texass A&M had a lock on anything it would be the
word Aggie fer sure. Not sure they could be considered rural yuppies
either...it would probably confuse them. Does Volvo make a tractor?
Msg #28882 Dated 9:59:41 12-16-91
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAX MAVEN
Why not! You can be a convention, a congress, a festival, a session,
or whatever makes the group feel they were an event! I suppose that
since it was a bunch of magicians, you should consider having been
a coven.
Msg #28884 Dated 10:00:06 12-16-91 -> 28903
From: BILL WELLS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Thats good! I had not heard the theory that Jesus might have been
Irish. I must say that the facts cited certainly present a strong
case for the theory.
Thanks for the joke!
Msg #28885 Dated 10:00:18 12-16-91 -> 29337
From: BILL WELLS
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
I will dig up Bob's address for you as soon as I get a chance. Say,
didn't you used to show up at the Columbus Magifests in the old days?
Msg #28886 Dated 10:00:26 12-16-91 -> 28941
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
PETE! where hast thy brain gone? You have the draft schedule, we
talked about the MAGIC! session and if you would look at your
schedule you will see it includes a listing for a MAGIC! session in
the Park City Room from 4 to 6 pm on Thursday, July 2, 1992.
Msg #28889 Dated 10:51:48 12-16-91 28871 <--> 28999
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
RE: Why can't you just say, "How do you make a person's eyes sparkle?"
Beats me, Biro-san. Big rage is blonde jokes, not person jokes. I am
merely reporting this event, not attempting to pass judgement on it.
Msg #28890 Dated 10:54:12 12-16-91 28854 <--> 28976
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Interesting, T A. But that does seem to place science in the same
category as other social organizations - resistant to accept new data.
Too bad.
Msg #28891 Dated 11:04:13 12-16-91 -> 28928
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Because of the abundance of messages on MAGIC!, I tend
to read them rapidly, in a kind of flying skim mode,
pausing only on items of special interest, and seldom
reading anything very carefully. As a result, I fell
for your message to Tabby re the special Malini issue
of GENII like a ton of bricks. Without going back to
the message itself, I waited all week for the copy to
arrive, and, when it didn't, assumed I was one of those
left out. I called Dante this morning to bribe him to
send me one of the withheld issues. It wasn't until
after I got off the phone that I realized I had been
had. But -- Dante loved the concept, says to keep the
rumors going. If anyone wants a copy of the top secret
Lance Burton issue, send him money.
Dumb as a rock,
Steve Bryant
Msg #28893 Dated 11:10:54 12-16-91 28856 <--> 28925
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
I have attempted, on several occassions, to reach the creator of super
pig in an attempt to interview him and to find out more about him and
his feelings. I've been unable to get in touch with him.
Msg #28894 Dated 11:12:27 12-16-91 28857 <--> 28895
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
RE: Flash
Nope - NOT a Goldfinger/Dove knockoff. His three-card monte is done to
a very hip patter and the one I've seen is done close-up, not big
cards. Don't know what he does in a stage show, haven't seen it yet
(Dec. 30 - Jan. 5 and Feb. 2 - Feb. 9; Goldfinger/Dove scheduled for
Jan. 6 - 12).
I think that Flash lives in Phoenix - you might call him and arrange to
see a tape.
Msg #28895 Dated 11:18:04 12-16-91 28858 <--> 28896
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Hmmm... RE: DMS/S&R seating - I guess we might have to do that - all go
at once and stand in line.
Msg #28896 Dated 11:18:55 12-16-91 28859 <--> 28897
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
If your TV isn't live, you should give him/her CPR.
Msg #28898 Dated 11:24:54 12-16-91 28869 <--> 28979
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
"D"? We have a "D" on this system? I didn't know that! Guess I'll
have to try it someday...
Msg #28899 Dated 11:26:26 12-16-91 28873 <--> 28921
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Hey! I thought we swore off Mac jokes last week! BTW, after a week
with an IBM (a real true one!), Nathan wants his Amiga back!
Msg #28900 Dated 11:27:54 12-16-91 28870 <--> 28914
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Before I got a copy of Verbal Control from used book dealer, I'd find
out if Max has any copies available.
Msg #28901 Dated 11:29:17 12-16-91 28874 <--> 28929
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Yep - Glass and two coins, glass and the ball, same situation, only
Nathan is 3 yrs. old! But you may be on to something here - no more
tricks with glasses, I'm going back to thumb tips.
Msg #28903 Dated 11:35:20 12-16-91 28884 <--> 30435
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
A friend of mine once had an article published in The Wall Street
Journal in which he suggested that the real problem with Ireland was
that it had somehow gotten put in the wrong geographic location - that
it had no business being there; it was intended for the Middle East.
He pointed out that the people looked like they belonged in the
Mediteranean and that their culture would fit there better.
Continental drift, perhaps?
Msg #28904 Dated 11:39:27 12-16-91 -> 28923
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COVEN?
I have always wondered what the correct term for a gathering of mages
was. Somehow, "coven" doesn't seem quite right. Is there really some
appropriate, perhaps historic, term for such a gathering?
Msg #28906 Dated 11:43:45 12-16-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: 30,000TH CALLER?
The logon info just reported that I am caller number 29,903. Guess
that means that we should hit the 30,000th call to MAGIC! either today
or tomorrow!
Msg #28907 Dated 12:24:19 12-16-91 28387 <--> 28908
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE
David: While it's not my fault, I really feel bad about the ticket.
It was such a nice afternoon, it's a shame it had to end that way.
Msg #28908 Dated 12:34:41 12-16-91 28907 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: CASTLE
I guess that the LAPD has its own ways of welcoming people back to
"reality." Oh, well, we all had a good time anyway!
Msg #28911 Dated 15:22:58 12-16-91 28574 <-
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BOOK TITLE
I will order the string book right away. No I have not looked at the
Ammar or Kevin James videos. I have heard lots of good comments on the
Ammar video but no one has said much about the James vid. Ammars video
also got good reviews in Genii, and other mags.
Msg #28913 Dated 16:24:40 12-16-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: AND NO ENTERTAINMENT!
This is from the bottom of an invitation I just received - the company
name has been changed (to protect whatever!):
"XYZ is pleased to welcome you to this XYZ function and considers the
food and refreshments provided to be a normal business courtesy.
However, some Federal Agencies do not permit their employees to accept
food or refreshments from contractors doing business with the
government. If your agency requires, or if you so desire to pay for
the food and refreshments provided at this meeting/center, you may pay
the fair market value of the food and refreshments you consume. A
receipt will be provided upon request."
Wanna bet they ain't got no walkaround mage?
Msg #28914 Dated 17:46:11 12-16-91 28204 <--> 28916
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I'm on Pete's side, I think. The original manuscript of the
$100.00 bill switch included near the end the author's pet
handling which is _without_ a thumb tip. My friend, the late Dave
Roemer of Baltimore, tipped me the bare-hand method after
watching him do it many times for laymen. In this method the bill
does _not_ leave the view of the spectators.
.
I did this version for a friend who was raving about the Ammar
method of handling the thumbtip, and had spent some time
mastering it. He concluded that the bare-hand method was as good.
.
In IBM in Baltimore I did it for Carney and some others to see if
the bill left their view. I believe the conclusion was that the
bill didn't leave their sight.
Msg #28915 Dated 17:46:31 12-16-91 28307 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SYMPOSIUM
Kaps Smoking Thumb? I preferred Ade Duvall's performance. The original
is often the better.
.
The performers who do the slow shuffle are usually demonstrating
some arcane method of card control. They are not trying to fool
anyone.
Msg #28916 Dated 17:46:41 12-16-91 28334 <--> 28945
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
I had understood that the oversized ring was invented by J.
Northern Hilliard of Greater Magic fame. It was in a early
manuscript of his. I think it was The Notebooks of J. N. H.
Msg #28917 Dated 17:46:50 12-16-91 28336 <--> 28950
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
Thanks for the review of Klause. The book sounds good but am
sorry to hear about the illustrations. Just heard that my name is
listed near the end of the book - so I can't wait to read it.
.
Anneman signed off with SELAH - not SALEH. Its a word from the
psalms in the bible. No one is sure what it means.
Msg #28918 Dated 17:47:00 12-16-91 28505 <--> 28951
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EFFECTS
What do I wish I could do? A perfect version of Le Mouchoir
Serpent or Sun and Moon. I think this is the funniest situation
trick in magic. I've studied all of the versions I could find but
none are quite what I want.
.
All of Del Ray's Electronic stuff.
.
Al Goshman's Salt and Pepper Shakers.
.
Thumb Tie.
.
That's all I can think of at the moment. To be continued....
Msg #28919 Dated 17:47:17 12-16-91 28658 <--> 28920
From: CY KELLER
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CHARLIE MILLER
I'm amused? by people who show me an effect and then before they
tip ask me not to show it around. I always want to tell them not
to show it to me then. What am I going to do with it? Place it on
the mantlepiece?
Msg #28920 Dated 17:47:25 12-16-91 28658 <--> 28952
From: CY KELLER
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CHARLIE MILLER
Looked up the Grippo book and you do have details and an
illustration of the glass method of making strippers. I was
hoping that you included the negative strippers. No! Oh well!! I
was fooled badly by this by Ray Grismer at the Castle some years
back. At least I think this is what he was using as I couldn't
find a thing when I looked at the deck.
Msg #28921 Dated 17:47:36 12-16-91 28791 <--> 28935
From: CY KELLER
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Wish I could've seen you when you were in the East. Heard nothing
but raves. Have most of your printed items and conclude you're my
kind of magician. Of course you'd hve to be after being trained
by Sheets. Bob Sheets is the best magician now working. He thinks
out all of his routines and is the perfect mixture of a very
skilled magician and a hilarious performer. OK! I'll say it's a
tie with Sheets and Johnny Thompson.
.
Both of them in the Roy Benson approach. I'm tired of the people
who think that you can't be a technician and entertain.
Msg #28922 Dated 17:47:51 12-16-91 28808 <--> 28954
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Have had the Bat Trick for many years and never used it because I
could not understand the routine. I'll have to look up the
instructions again because, if Biro finds it that good, it must
be good. Saw Carney do the knife trick with the paper squares
stuck to it. It looked great.
Msg #28923 Dated 17:48:00 12-16-91 28904 <--> 28932
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COVEN?
"Coven" is a group of wizards,so I see no problem with that. I
you are interested in venery you might have the following:
A "STEAL" of Dove Workers.
A "DITCH" of Topit performers.
A "DECK" of Card Men.(or women,of course)
etc.
Maybe there are others??
Msg #28924 Dated 18:01:05 12-16-91 28851 <--> 28963
From: STAN LAKE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
More specifically, I do not believe, _from what I have seen_ that
paranormal events occur IN MENTALISM ACTS. I do not dismiss out of
hand all of the claims and stories you may read concerning psychic
abilities. I actually HOPE some of them are true, I think that would
be marvelous. I do not have any fixed ideas on any of this. If
anything I lean towards the idea that it may occur. I simply haven't
seen any performer or entertainer who I think was doing the "real
thing". And I think that because they were all tricks that I had read
about or that I found easy to duplicate just from watching.
To sum it up, I think psychic events probably occur except in a
psychic's act!
Msg #28925 Dated 19:27:40 12-16-91 28893 <--> 28933
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Have you tried looking for him at nearby autowrecking yards?
Msg #28927 Dated 19:29:57 12-16-91 -> 28955
From: STAN LAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECTS
I've been trying to think of what my favorite effect is that I can do
and I've found that I don't have a particular favorite. What I DO like
is whatever gets the best response from a particular audience. If I am
doing something for a lady I get a good response from a flip stick or
hot rod. Pointing out all of those jewels and how they all change to
her selection- that's always good. But I wouldn't bother to show it to
one or more guys. My presentation on it wouldn't go over too well.
But a poker demo might be just the thing- if they are card players. If
not, then a quick coin flurry like David Roth does where a coin quickly
appears and disappears a half a dozen times might certainly open their
eyes. Even kids like that but if I'm on stage none of these would be
my favorite, I'd probably go for a cut and restored rope routine I
learned from Ultra Cervon, or a prediction effect I get a lot of laughs
from. So my favorite effect changes depending on where I am and who
I'm with.
I think you also wanted to know what effect would I like to be able to
do or something of the sort. There are A LOT of things I'd like to
learn. I currently have a list of over a hundred items- sleights,
tricks and routines I want to learn. My side steal for instance. It's
only deceptive in total darkness! Lots to do, I better get to it...
Msg #28928 Dated 19:55:32 12-16-91 28891 <--> 28943
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Sorry, Steve! You were not an intended victim! Actually, no one was
really the intended victim. Oh well, sorry if it caused you any
inconvenience.
While I've got you, I wanted to mention a little investment proposition
I've been let in on. Seems they're thinking of taking the Brooklyn
Bridge private, and setting up toll booths (there are no tolls now).
What an investment opportunity! Do you know how many people use the
Brookyln Bridge daily? And we could get $2.00 from each of them, each
way! All we have to do is raise the money to buy the bridge. Let me
know!
Msg #28929 Dated 19:59:06 12-16-91 28850 <--> 28936
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Out of the mouths of babes...
...come ruthless criticisms of their parents magic!
Msg #28930 Dated 19:59:59 12-16-91 -> 28937
From: EVAN KATZ
To: ALL
Re: M A G I C
Has anyone except for me NOT gotten this month's issue of M A G I C?
Msg #28932 Dated 20:26:24 12-16-91 28923 <--> 28967
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: COVEN?
Yes, Wizards can gather in a Coven. But I honestly don't know if mages
gather in Covens. My assuption has always been that there are more
mages than Wizards. (Except, of course, in computing, where there are
a few Wizards, but no mages).
Somehow I knew that someone would start off in the direction you have
taken. Would one have a "CHANGE" of coin workers?
Msg #28933 Dated 20:31:37 12-16-91 28925 <--> 28958
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Gads! Yeah! You are right! I should be looking for this guy near
autowrecking yards! Maybe near trash dumps! Toxic waste sites!
Msg #28935 Dated 20:36:03 12-16-91 28791 <--> 28953
From: JIM SISTI
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Hey, old timer...nice to see you finally figured out how to use your
modem! Seriously, glad to see you logged on. If I don't talk to you
before then, have a great holiday!
Msg #28936 Dated 20:39:55 12-16-91 28929 <--> 28977
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Yeah - it comes from teaching them too much! If you and Jeanne have a
kid, keep him/her away from learning too much! Let 'em play with pop
bottles, pots and pans, NOT silks, cards, dice...
Msg #28937 Dated 20:41:02 12-16-91 28930 <--> 28959
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: M A G I C
You can tell I've already gotten my copy of M A G I C this month, I'm
already in trouble with the Maven!
Msg #28941 Dated 21:38:29 12-16-91 28886 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ALLAN ACKERMAN
I can't read! I also don't know what I am doing any more... OK,
the Raiders just got shut out on a Monday night... shows you what
injuries can do to a team.
Msg #28943 Dated 21:38:38 12-16-91 28891 <--> 28956
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
You need to use a a= ture and IMP to read slowly offline...
Msg #28944 Dated 21:38:42 12-16-91 28895 <--> 28961
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
NO... don't decide now... Call or write Stevens....
Msg #28945 Dated 21:38:45 12-16-91 28900 <--> 28947
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Ok, Max you got any left?
Msg #28947 Dated 21:38:52 12-16-91 28914 <--> 28949
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Thanks for the description of what your are doing, Cy... Again,
if any one has the Johnny Paul tape... check it out... you will
see the master... no thumb tip!!
.
I really think it is EASIER to do without. After all you not only
have to hold hands naturally, etc... but have to CAREFULLY move
and fold the bill AND AT THE SAME TIME keep this dumb contrivance
CONCEALED!
Msg #28949 Dated 21:39:10 12-16-91 28916 <--> 28964
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
According to Jay Marshall, Cardini "discovered" oversized rings
and worked up a way of using them for the count switches. The rings
were in amongst stock at Gamages... the quality was poor and the
rings were not SUPPOSED to be oversize.
Can't recall the year, but am checking stuff out...
Msg #28950 Dated 21:39:17 12-16-91 28917 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: ROGER KLAUSE IN CONCERT
No one knows what my word is either!!! ;+)
Msg #28951 Dated 21:39:20 12-16-91 28918 <--> 29005
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: EFFECTS
I think Mike Caldwell's "Sun and Moon" (well cut, messed up and
fiddled with handkerchief) is a killer.
.
As for the thumb tie. The late Shigeo Takagi taught me his handling,
and it is basically the Vernon one in the book. And also the other
guy that helped me was Maki Kitami (Takagi's same handling)... Maki
gave me a supply of the "good" cords.
.
Apparently it is the same as the original Ten Ichi... Jay Marshall
and I once went onstage (Hawaii, I think) when the elder TENYO did
the thumb tie (same method)... with Shimada translating.
.
It was AWESOME... When he did the move THRU THE SWORD... JAY AND I
BOTH swore he must have had a thumb that came off... WE COULD SEE
NOTHING...
.
But, what it was was his timing... The IN AND OUT moment!!! The
Japanese talk of movement of/like a bird... hand position like a
bird... too subtle... too good... closest thing to real magic I
had seen.
Msg #28952 Dated 21:39:40 12-16-91 28919 <--> 28970
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CHARLIE MILLER
Funny... like that thought...
Msg #28953 Dated 21:39:43 12-16-91 28921 <--> 28984
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Great message Cy... Sheets, Tomsoni... not too bad... Agree, you
CAN do good stuff and be an entertainer.
.
Trouble is some entertainers just don't learn the good stuff. They
stop thinking too soon.
Msg #28954 Dated 21:39:50 12-16-91 28922 <--> 28968
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Some tricks in certain hands are wonderful, and the next guy picks
it up and it goes nowhere... I don't know why.
.
Funny, when you get a set of good stuff you tend to stop trying to
find/do new things...
.
Just been praciting several VERSIONS of "Wild Card" (I am doing a
wild card workshop at local club in February) and found Dingle's
Wild Move as good as any... Still like the Gypsy Curse, but still
don't know how Kaps did his version. I have studied the tape and
he still fools me with it!
.
Funny... I forget the original routine... am going to take it back
to the "concept trick" Hamman's Mystic Nine (ungaffed) and trace
it in a few directions.
Msg #28955 Dated 21:40:06 12-16-91 28927 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECTS
Then just do the side steal in total darkness.
Msg #28956 Dated 21:40:09 12-16-91 28928 <--> 28957
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Too late. A consortium I put together last week has an option on
the Bridge!
Msg #28957 Dated 21:40:13 12-16-91 28928 <--> 28972
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
We might consider selling our option for 12.5-percent over our cost,
which was $456.98 (U.S. funds). Send cash fast.
Msg #28958 Dated 21:40:18 12-16-91 28933 <--> 28962
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Be careful, he might be a Blonde from Warsaw.
Msg #28959 Dated 21:40:21 12-16-91 28937 <--> 28960
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: M A G I C
Howcum NONE OF YOU DUDES have looked at the KILLER trick in the
back of the book... maybe the first new significant INCREDIBLE
coin move in 15 years!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
I have already worked up TWO new routines with this.... Even one
version Tabman can make money on!
.
Cheeesh... are there any REAL COTTON PICKIN' MAGICIANS ON THIS
BOARD???????????????
.
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Msg #28960 Dated 21:45:12 12-16-91 28959 <--> 28986
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: M A G I C
Trick? They got tricks in that magazine? I never knew that! All I've
seen is the columns! I open the mag to Parallax, then I yell at Maven,
then he yells at me, then I read Parallax again, etc. Didn't even know
there were trix!
Msg #28961 Dated 21:47:51 12-16-91 28944 <--> 29001
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Sheesh! I got over half the cottin'-pickin' DMS committe HERE and I
gotta WRITE to Joe Stevens? Well, at least he has a faxe machine!
Msg #28962 Dated 21:51:09 12-16-91 28958 <--> 31699
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Nope, I've seen pics of the artist, "Michael." In the pics he has dark
hair. Of course, he could be dying it so we won't know he is a blonde.
Msg #28963 Dated 22:47:01 12-16-91 28924 <--> 28965
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Given that mine is a mentalism act you have seen, I must respond. While
I care not a whit if you think that paranormal events occur during my
show, I will dispute your subsequent comments:
1. The material you saw me perform is not composed of "tricks [you
have] read about.
2. The material you saw me perform is not "easy to duplicate just from
watching."
Msg #28964 Dated 22:48:34 12-16-91 28945 <--> 29019
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Yes.
Msg #28965 Dated 23:45:44 12-16-91 28924 <--> 28981
From: T A WATERS
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I am still confused -- if someone is faking a skill they do not
possess, whether it be ESP or gambling sleight abilities, why do you
find it necessary to debunk the one and now the other -- since, if I
understand you correctly, you believe both ESP and genuine gambling
sleight skills do occur?
Msg #28967 Dated 23:55:14 12-16-91 28904 <--> 28973
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COVEN?
Mob.
Msg #28968 Dated 23:58:32 12-16-91 28922 <--> 28995
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
An interesting alternate routine is "I'll Start Again" by (I think)
Jimmie Rogers; black wood paddle and chalk. There is also the
McCaffrey money paddle routine in MY BEST.
Msg #28969 Dated 0:00:34 12-17-91 28711 <--> 29882
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ARTHUR MOSES (X)
Re: HOUDINI
Hi Art. I can tell you who has all of the Houdini films. I have over
an hours worth both on 16mm and Video tape. As for Houdini
memorabilia, I do have an item or two. I can always make copies for
you. Let me know.
Msg #28970 Dated 0:13:48 12-17-91 28919 <--> 28971
From: GENO MUNARI
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CHARLIE MILLER
It sees like they are trying to re-write all the rules, and also not
reveal any secrets.....maybe they should burn all the books and ban
magazines....we would then enter the truest form of conveying and
sharing secrets, by ESP. So right you are Cy.
Msg #28971 Dated 0:16:03 12-17-91 28920 <--> 29029
From: GENO MUNARI
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CHARLIE MILLER
Charlie talked a great deal about Grismer. Grismer also fooled me very
badly with them.
Msg #28972 Dated 0:23:27 12-17-91 28957 <--> 29002
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Will trade you my interest in Washington Monument for cash at a 20%
discount.
Msg #28973 Dated 1:53:13 12-17-91 28967 <--> 28985
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: COVEN?
Hmmmmm..... Mages here = Licht Mob?
Msg #28975 Dated 2:31:52 12-17-91 28428 <--> 29020
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
ask david!
Msg #28976 Dated 2:35:12 12-17-91 28838 <--> 28978
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
David,
Science is only as strong as the scientist. We (humans) have set
up systems to help us keep from fooling ourselves, but as someone
once said, man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing
animal.
When someone spends their whole life working on a project under
an assumed restriction, they will be less than thrilled with
chucking the whole thing.
There were many physicists who wouldn't buy Einstein no matter
how many experiments were done. The same goes very every major
advancement that changed previous theory.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28977 Dated 2:35:19 12-17-91 28850 <--> 29000
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
David,
Be careful, or Nathan will see through all the illusions that
life hands him. And some of them are pretty fun.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28978 Dated 2:35:23 12-17-91 28861 <--> 28992
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
No offence taken. I had a relativly early experience that has
tended to keep me from being places that I am not welcome. So I
try desperatly to avoid such situations. One must try pretty
hard to actually offend me.
I am anxiously awaiting further communications about your MAGIC!
plan.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28979 Dated 2:35:29 12-17-91 28862 <--> 28997
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Pete,
I have no error checking with the system I am using, so I would
never even see line noise. (You can't imagine how tempted I am
to write gibberish right now, but this late at night, how can one
tell?)
Again, sorry for the confusion.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28980 Dated 2:35:34 12-17-91 28863 <--> 29033
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SECONDS
Pete,
My big hangup in this area is violating a person's trust. If one
sits in at a poker game, there is an unspoken trust placed upon
one. This means that one is expected not to cheat or perform
other hideous acts of deception.
Yes, cheating is stealing, but it is also violating trust.
There, I've ground that point right into the ground!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28981 Dated 2:35:40 12-17-91 28864 <--> 28983
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
There must be more line noise, what I said was "TASTE them with a
grain of salt."
(Okay, that was a pretty feeble response, but it's late.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28982 Dated 2:35:06 12-17-91 28550 <--> 29035
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ULTIMATE TV
Yeah, but I wonder what Bogie, Cagney and Satchmo would have to say
about it!!!
'W.
Msg #28983 Dated 2:35:45 12-17-91 28865 <--> 28987
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
That's not true. I've never stolen a latent in my life!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28984 Dated 2:35:49 12-17-91 28867 <--> 29006
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Pete,
This last weekend I picked up my first two issues of "Genii" and
got a chance to read about Doc in one of them. I certainly hope
that I get the chance to go to SLC, but even if I don't I will
still enjoy corresponding with Doc.
And besides, he works for one of my all time favorite musicians.
I started out playing nothing but John Denver material. Things
have changed, but I still enjoy putting on the Poems and Prayers
and Promises album.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28985 Dated 2:35:56 12-17-91 28904 <--> 29004
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COVEN?
A conjuring of magicians?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28986 Dated 2:36:00 12-17-91 28960 <--> 28988
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: M A G I C
Silly rabbi, tricks are for kicks.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28987 Dated 2:36:04 12-17-91 28963 <--> 28989
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Max,
I have yet to have the pleasure of watching you perform, but I
must ask if you agree with what Stan was saying in essence. Just
because someone is able to move a compass needle, does not mean
that they are psychic. It is not proof that they are not
psychic, but if you can recognize the method it certainly leads
one to believe that they are not.
You obviously wouldn't enjoy the reputation that you do if you
took tricks off of cereal boxes.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #28988 Dated 2:41:41 12-17-91 28930 <--> 29012
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: M A G I C
Yes!
A friend of mine has also not received this month's issue of
M A G I C!
When he complained to me about this, I pointed out to him that he could
correct the situation by subscribing!
'W.
Msg #28989 Dated 2:45:26 12-17-91 28824 <--> 28990
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Do you take establishment books with a mountain of salt ?
Msg #28990 Dated 2:45:28 12-17-91 28827 <--> 28991
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
It doesn't take much intelligence to increase the population, quite
the contrary.
Msg #28991 Dated 2:45:31 12-17-91 28844 <--> 29008
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Plus the fact that the palm reader or psychic consultant may in fact
be rendering a valuable service to the person they are 'helping' -
If I believe what I am told and it helps me through a tough time in
my life, isn't that worth something.
.
The placebo effect is very powerful and has quite a bit of scientific
backing as to its effectiveness in both physical and mental realm.
Msg #28992 Dated 2:45:35 12-17-91 28838 <--> 28993
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Makes it kind of tough to publish when the foundation upon which you
have based your entire career suddenly changes. For every action
there is an equal (and sometimes greater) reaction. Any establishment
once created will try to close off outsiders to maintain its own
existence.
.
The micro-computer revolution was one of the first manifestaions of a
new kind of change that just happened and no one (not even IBM) could
control it. Hopefully this kind of freedom of information flow will
continue to permeate society. As a result BBS's are having a bigger
effect on society than most of any of us even realize.
Msg #28993 Dated 2:45:42 12-17-91 28839 <--> 28994
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Sometimes happens from too little lead in the pencil as well.
Msg #28994 Dated 2:45:44 12-17-91 28854 <--> 29013
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
That is of course if they manage to hide their rebellious nature
until the go through the osification process of getting their PhD.
I know several people that had to change schools because they
couldn't accept their mentor's positions on certain issues and
were unwilling to compromise their integrity.
.
The history of science is filled with examples of rebels against
'established' scientific dogma that were eventually vindicated,
Galileo is a prime example. Today the 'connectionists' or neural
network approach to AI is a good case in point.
Msg #28995 Dated 2:45:50 12-17-91 28808 <--> 29025
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Thanks for low down on the bat trick - maybe you'll have one with
you in Jan - would love to see it. Promise no nicking of the patter.
You ain't me !
Msg #28997 Dated 2:46:00 12-17-91 28813 <--> 29043
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Aha - you don't use the A (for append) option. That's why you end
up sending messages to yo own self. For example, on this very msg if
I was to read and use use R (since I'm the From entry) I would end
up with a msg From: Jerry Burton - To: Jerry Burton. However if I
used A to the same msg, I would end up with a msg From: Jerry Burton-
To: Pete Biro. Comprende' !
Msg #28999 Dated 2:46:08 12-17-91 28853 <--> 29009
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Does this mean that if a person uses something that is offensive to
a segment of the population, like Chink-cans, is to be chastized, but
if he/she does with INTENT that it is OK ? I think not.
.
I would agree that a person who is using offensive material and is
not aware of it, and is then told that it is offensive, but continues
to use it - with no artistic reason, should be severely chastized
with good reason. They are then doing it with malice a fore thought,
prior to being aware of it being offensive it was just plain stupidit
y.
.
Most males don't call woman 'broads' or 'chicks' any more, since they
have become aware that these terms are offensive to woman. I must
admit my own ignorance regarding Chink-a-chink (I thought it referred
to the sound of the coins), I know what a Chink-can is but didn't
associate ethnic significance to it. I've learned something !
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