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Msg #29000 Dated 2:46:16 12-17-91 28936 <--> 29016
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
It relates to the whole idea of what could possibly be the solution
to the puzzle presented. Obviously Nathan didn't believe a coin
could ACTUALLY penetrate a glass, so the only conclusion was that
there must be TWO COINS (I assume you didn't flash and let him SEE
both coins).
.
This is a basic problem with a lot of magic that is presented. If the
audience doesn't BUY what you are selling they automatically go to
the next most likely explanation - which doesn't even really have to
be the real method. An example, is Lance's levitaion - although
beautifully done - does anyone REALLY BELIEVE he ain't using a wire ?
Just because I don't SEE the wire doesn't make me believe there isn't
one. Same on DC's flying bit.
.
That's the basic difference between straight magic and psychic
phenomena as well. Most mental things have one of two explanations -
trickery and deceit or true psychic ability - how can we be sure
which is which. Some of Max's stuff is so believable - I could go
either way. I finally gave trying to figure it out - just lean back
and enjoy !
Msg #29001 Dated 2:46:26 12-17-91 28858 <--> 29003
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
No Pete - Joe's flyer says send the $$ to him. They must have a
block of tickets, as the S & R ticket will be in the registration
packet. We don't stand in no stinkin' lines !
Msg #29002 Dated 2:46:30 12-17-91 28928 <--> 29030
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
I've gold some SOLID gold bricks that I bought in NY last summer and
have been looking for a sound investment - sign me up !
.
P.S. The guy that sold me the bricks said they were made out of NY
gold and could only be spent in NY, so your idea is perfect. Thanks
for the tip.
.
P.S.S. Where do you wants the bricks sent ??
Msg #29003 Dated 2:46:35 12-17-91 28894 <--> 29022
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
Flash does a real hip rapper style patter that's really good. I love
his Uncle Hustle 6 card repeat, the presentation is everything.
Msg #29004 Dated 2:46:38 12-17-91 28932 <--> 29042
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COVEN?
Magi gather in Lodges, Orders or Brotherhoods.
.
COILS for rope-workers ?
Msg #29005 Dated 2:46:41 12-17-91 28951 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EFFECTS
Actually levitate, with no gaffs !
Msg #29006 Dated 2:46:44 12-17-91 28791 <--> 29037
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Welcome aboard - will be in your neck of the woods in Jan - skiing
Steamboat for a week. Heard a lot of good stuff about you - looking
forward to seeing and meeting you in SLC.
.
Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #29008 Dated 3:14:38 12-17-91 28987 <--> 29018
From: MAX MAVEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
While it is quite true that "just because someone is able to move a
compass needle [it] does not mean that they are psychic," it is also
true that just because you know a way of moving a compass needle by
trickery it does not mean that that's what they were doing.
Your comment about "recognizing the method" is, I feel, somewhat
questionable. There is a big difference between hypothesizing a method
and recognizing one.
I have never learned any material off of the back of cereal boxes;
neither has Uri Geller.
Msg #29009 Dated 3:17:39 12-17-91 28999 <--> 29050
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
But that's the whole point. Let's take Andrew Dice Clay as an example,
as it's pretty clear that there is no one on this BBS who likes his
work. I certainly don't. However, I have far more respect for him than
I do for someone who is unaware of the offensive nature of his/her
material. Clay is decidedly unpleasant, but I'll give him credit for
knowing what he is doing; he is willfully, knowingly offensive, and
I'll take that any day over much of the other ignorant crap I
encounter.
Msg #29012 Dated 7:36:20 12-17-91 28960 <--> 29021
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: M A G I C
There are reviews too.
Msg #29013 Dated 9:27:24 12-17-91 28976 <--> 29014
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Very well stated!
Msg #29014 Dated 9:28:27 12-17-91 28992 <--> 29015
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Yes, indeed, the personal computer has made a profound change in our
society. And I think that communications is the most important part of
it. Ours is one system in about 30,000 in the U.S. that bring people
with special interests together. There are now BBS's all over the
World. They have brought people together in ways that weren't possible
before.
Msg #29015 Dated 9:31:01 12-17-91 28993 <--> 29067
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
I thought lead was bad for you! I thought it was what lead to the
decline of Rome. But the pencil I do use has plenty of lead in it.
Msg #29016 Dated 9:34:11 12-17-91 28977 <--> 29017
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Yes, that was a big concern of mine, and I do notice that he is a
3-year old cynic. But the advice I'd gotten here when he expressed an
interest in magic was "Go fer it!" I suspect that for a 3-year old,
the World holds enough amazement anyway.
Msg #29017 Dated 9:36:26 12-17-91 29000 <--> 29044
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
It was interesting to discover that he was savy enough to make the
decision you suggested - really did take me by surprise. Frankly, I'm
not sure of his view of magic - for example, I think he knows that
Copperfield can't actually fly, but I'm not sure. On the other hand,
he loves the salt shaker thru table, even though I think he knows how
it is done - he just doesn't let on that he does.
I find that I really don't care how either Copperfield or Maven do
their stuff. I don't view either one as a puzzle to be solved, just
like you said. I would much rather suspend my disbelief and enjoy what
they do.
Msg #29018 Dated 9:43:56 12-17-91 28987 <--> 29026
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
There are a lot of good tricks on the backs of cereal boxes! And I'm
convinced that Max could do them and astound an audience with them,
should he wish to do so. Max has considerable talent which he has
coupled with hard work.
The art is not the cleverness of the trick, the art is the performance.
"Squirmly" is nothing, but you should see Tommy Wonder do it!
[Note: None of the above is intended to convey the impression that
Max's performance is acomplished by any particular means that might be
related to standard magical techniques].
Msg #29019 Dated 9:53:27 12-17-91 28945 <--> 29023
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Max, send me the book with a bill. Thanks. P. Biro 16 los banos ct,
walnut creek, CA 94598
Msg #29020 Dated 9:54:31 12-17-91 28428 <--> 29031
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
Funny, Funny....
Msg #29021 Dated 9:55:13 12-17-91 28960 <--> 29039
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: M A G I C
You probably don't even notice the photos in Playboy!
Msg #29022 Dated 9:55:16 12-17-91 28961 <--> 29045
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DMS BASH
The point is YOU want to know what HE knows... not what I know so
YOU ask HIM... how else? If I call it costs ME money.
Msg #29023 Dated 9:55:19 12-17-91 28964 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FISM SHOW
Thanks. (I think... now I got to log on again and read msg #28945
to see what you said "yes" to).
Msg #29025 Dated 9:55:28 12-17-91 28968 <--> 29040
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
No thanks.
Msg #29026 Dated 9:54:42 12-17-91 28991 <--> 29034
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Yep. And although "rip offs" occur, they also occur in virtually all
other human activities.
Msg #29029 Dated 9:55:50 12-17-91 28971 <--> 29176
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CHARLIE MILLER
C'mon Geno... knock it off... if we all had to use ESP, then only
Geller would learn all of the secrets. No one else has it!
Msg #29030 Dated 9:55:54 12-17-91 28972 <--> 29046
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
The one in Seattle, I hope. I don't like the one in DC.
Msg #29031 Dated 9:55:57 12-17-91 28975 <--> 29213
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
Hey dude, you been quiet lately... no opinion on Geller/Randi....
hahahaha...
.
Wilt Chamberlain... didn't have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on his door,
had one that read "NEXT"....
.
RE: "ask david!" (now I don't know what you mean... I got to log
back on and read #28428... pleeeeeeeeeeeze put a key word in that
refers back....(this is for ALL, not just Wayne)....
Msg #29033 Dated 9:56:22 12-17-91 28980 <--> 29071
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SECONDS
Fiddling with cards in a game is neither cheating or violating any
trust. So... here is what you do. You do a legit shuffle. Then you
do a couple of Zarrow shuffles paying little attention to the cards
and hope by "managment" of the players they are talking or someone
is going to the john... getting another beer, whatever...
If you deal around dealing seconds, and the deck is shuffled
and you don't DO ANYTHING with it... who is to say that the order
isn't what it WOULD BE with, say, one more shuffle, or a different
depth to the cut?
False cut. Try the Klondike cut everytime you cut. If you do
it PSEUDO ( a real cut ) in the same manner as the false... it is
good training for you to get it down when you do it in magic.
There is nothing wrong with doing a false cut in a game. After
all... every once in awhile when someong is asked to cut... they
just tap the deck (meaning go ahead and deal NO CUt)... So a false
cut is your way of saying NO CUT, without verbalizing it...)
But, if you don't want to have fun in that manner it is ok. You
don't need to do it all the time.
I remember once in the Army, the guys always had craps games
going and card games. So I practiced some dice work and started to
use... I felt so guilty in about 20 minutes I quit playing around
and NEVER shot craps with anyone again.
The card games got to be TOO BIG MONEY for my interest and I
didn't want to play with the guys as their attitude was not of fun.
I did play TONS of Kitchen Poker when I lived in Hermosa Beach.
One time I LEGITIMATELY GOT AN ACE HIGH ROYAL FLUSH... and I could
not keep a straight face.... everyone folded EL QUICKLY.... ARGH...
Msg #29034 Dated 9:56:48 12-17-91 28981 <--> 29036
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I am reading your "feeble" response EARLY... so that evens us up.
Msg #29035 Dated 9:56:51 12-17-91 28982 <--> 29215
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ULTIMATE TV
They would probably THANK their agents for getting them as much
money for a day's shoot than they used to get for a full feature!
Msg #29036 Dated 9:56:55 12-17-91 28983 <--> 29038
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
What kind of Tent did you steal?
Msg #29037 Dated 9:56:58 12-17-91 28984 <--> 29072
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Well, if you get to the Castle Library you will have to visit the
ANTIQUARIAN magazine files to see my old Genii Columns!!! Hahahahah.
Msg #29038 Dated 9:57:01 12-17-91 28987 <--> 29049
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Max, with HIS powers... PUTS TRICKS ON CEREAL BOXES!
Msg #29039 Dated 9:57:04 12-17-91 28988 <--> 29052
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: M A G I C
Subscribe? Subscribe? That's too easy. Obviously this guy does NOT
have ESP powers.... (or is that ESP, Powers)?
Msg #29040 Dated 9:57:08 12-17-91 28995 <--> 29219
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
I almost never travel without the Cricket Bat...
Msg #29042 Dated 9:56:34 12-17-91 28985 <--> 29047
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: COVEN?
"A conjuring of magicians" - I rather like that!
Msg #29043 Dated 9:57:34 12-17-91 28997 <--> 29224
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
Great, by USING "A" then, I get more mail... that would make me
happy. Grassyass
Msg #29044 Dated 9:57:38 12-17-91 29000 <--> 29068
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
NATHAN has helped to create a WHOLE NEW ROUTINE for me... His line
"Two Coins" inspired me to do a coin penetration variation on the
great routine of Giovanni (which I guess NO ONE ELSE HERE has seen
or THEY TOO would be raving about it) in the current MAGIC mag.
I have the gaffed coin held UNDER the Chinese Coin (no ethnic
slurs in this routine) put the standard coin on top, showing it
will NOT fit thru the hole. I then cover it with a flat hand,
feign pushing down hard and the gaffed coin is allowed to drop to
the table top... and I say, "The coin went thru the hole"... I
raise the hand and the coin is still there on top... I say....
"OOOOps.... you caught me.... yep, I used 2 coins... you weren't
supposed to see this one... heh, heh..." I toss it aside.
"Yeh, I'm not a real magician... I have to use 2 coins.... BUT
IF I WAS REAL LIKE URI GELLER.... I would just do this... (I pick
up the gaffed coin place it on the Chinese Coin and VISUALLY
PUSH IT THRU THE HOLE).
This eliminates any palm change switches, subtle moves, etc.
There is more to my routine... but at this point it is evolving
and I don't want to explain it until it is right.
Msg #29045 Dated 9:57:57 12-17-91 29001 <--> 29056
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DMS BASH
I knew somone of supreme intelligence would know what the hay is
going on... so you just tell Jose to hold a block in one sector
for the friends he has that know how to use their computers for
more than playing Carmen Santiago...
Msg #29046 Dated 9:58:03 12-17-91 29002 <--> 29058
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
I once went to the Seattle version of the World's Fair. Plunked
a big piece of paper money down and they gave me change in World's
Fair Coins... I said "What are these?" They said, World's Fair Coins
you can spend them anywhere you want in the fair." I said, "I don't
want to spend any money in the fair, here take 'em back and give
me my money back... I'll go to a movie." And I did.
Msg #29047 Dated 9:58:10 12-17-91 29004 <--> 29051
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COVEN?
Rope magicians Hang Together.
Msg #29049 Dated 9:58:16 12-17-91 29008 <--> 29064
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I think most are missing a key point about Geller. I don't think
he ever bought any of his effects from a Magic Catalog.
Msg #29050 Dated 9:58:20 12-17-91 29009 <--> 29060
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Yeh, Clay is doing a parody of all the "macho street dudes" and
their IS an audience for him... look at the numbers he is grossing
in concerts...
.
Just like a prior generation buying Don Rickles. At least with
Rickles he gives all EQUAL "bad treatment"... and people in his
audiences "hope" he targets THEM... they don't want to fell left
out....
.
But again, like ANY performance, it is all Attitude and Perception.
.
Changing the subject: On PBS up here they have been running the
Tina Turnery Concert from Spain... WOW... WOW... WOW... boy, could
a magic act take some lessons here... One of the greatest performers
I have witnessed... She has a huge articulated crane UNDER the
stage... only thing visible for most of show is a small (4 foot
dia) platform at front center jutting out and just below stage.
Near end of show she moves out onto that little stage and all of
a sudden the arm moves out, and extends... she winds up about
sixty feet out and 20 feet over the heads of the audience... she
hangs ten, (must scare the crap out of her insurance co!!!!) and
sings material that gets the Jillion on hand into FEVER PITCH...
U N B E L I E V A B L E . . . .
.
I don't recall EVER seeing anyone (Bette Midler, maybe) that has
the energy/power onstage. Even on the little six foot video screen
here it was awesome...
.
Her entrance was no less great... A huge stairway (like the typical
Vegas backdrop stairway)... not visible at the beginning slowly
decends, like an arriving space ship... from above... The money
they spent to 'BUILD' the stage system must have been incredible.
But it all adds to the POWER, all adds to the PERCEPTION that they
are seeing something special.
Msg #29051 Dated 9:58:43 12-17-91 29004 <--> 30436
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: COVEN?
And they also gather in rings, circles, and castles. "Circle" seems to
have some prominence and some common usage.
AERIES for levitators?
Msg #29052 Dated 10:01:37 12-17-91 28986 <--> 29053
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: M A G I C
Hmmm... I gotta figure a way to drop that into the conversation with my
local Rabbi! One year for Chanukah we found out that he needed a new
needle assembly for his phonograph, so we got him one and tied it to
the branch of a tree - we figured that at least once in his life, even
a Rabbi should get "A cartridge in a pear tree . . ."
Msg #29053 Dated 10:03:50 12-17-91 29012 <--> 29054
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: M A G I C
Yeah, and letters to the editor! But look on the good side, Geno. It
is stuff like that that helps keep your heart beating!
Msg #29054 Dated 10:05:36 12-17-91 29021 <--> 29057
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: M A G I C
My fave Playboy story was from a guy who was doing a seminar for a
bunch of farmers out in Iowa (really!). At one point, he asked them
what magazines they subscribed to and one of 'em said, "National
Geographic and Playboy."
"Wow," the guy said, "Certainly two very different magazines!"
"Nope," the farmer said, "They are very much alike. They are both full
of wonderful pictures of places I ain't ever gonna visit."
Msg #29056 Dated 10:21:05 12-17-91 29022 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DMS BASH
OK, OK, will try to get in touch with Stevens! SHEESH!
Msg #29057 Dated 10:24:45 12-17-91 28988 <--> 29061
From: EVAN KATZ
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: M A G I C
That deserves a long, drawn out, grooooooooooan!
Msg #29058 Dated 10:25:10 12-17-91 29002 <--> 29059
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
The bricks should be sent to USC, but they must be dropped off in
person. I will look in my files for directions to campus, and post
them to you ASAP.
Msg #29059 Dated 10:26:08 12-17-91 29030 <--> 29074
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
The one in DC is actually a better bargain -- you get more per pound.
Msg #29060 Dated 10:35:32 12-17-91 29050 <--> 29065
From: EVAN KATZ
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
I actually enjoy some of Andrew Dice Clay's material. Particularly the
early stuff. And if you've listened to it (and most people who find
him shocking have not), he does do what Rickles does, and attack all
groups with equal venom. My problem with the Diceman is not that he
offends, as this can be very funny and socially useful as well, but
that you have to wade through an inordinate amount of truly unfunny
stuff to get to the few belly laughs. You either like shock humor or
you don't, and I do.
Msg #29061 Dated 10:38:50 12-17-91 28986 <--> 29063
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: M A G I C
David:
If several magicians form a coven, can they doven?
Msg #29062 Dated 11:30:12 12-17-91 -> 29077
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: TRAINS, PLANES....
Well, I've had this information for almost a week now, but I keep
forgetting to post it. I think senility is creeping in, but if
it is, don't tell me. I don't want to know.
The cost, per ticket, of a train round trip from L.A. to Salt
Lake city is $164 per seat, or $189 per seat or $230 per seat.
The cost, per ticket, or a train round trip from L.A. to Las
Vegas to Salt Lake city and back is $189 per seat or $246 per
seat.
The availability (how early reservations are made) is what
determines the different money amounts.
In order to get a private car, we would have to purchase 68 of
the 75 available seats.
As far as group rates go, (This is already included in the price
of a private car, so a car would run 68 X whatever ticket price)
for every 15 passengers we book, we get one adult ticket free.
Let's here some chatter about what people want to do.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29063 Dated 11:37:06 12-17-91 29021 <--> 29076
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: M A G I C
Today I have mailed to you, a copy of a page from playboy, showing
amoung other things our camera. If you look close, you can see our
name engraved on the magazine. Interesting, the still photographer didn't
know how to put this mot pic equip together, and has the $25k zoom lens
mounted upside down.
Talking about upside down, they, never mind, forget it.
Msg #29064 Dated 12:27:31 12-17-91 28989 <--> 29066
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Jerry,
Good point.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29065 Dated 12:27:35 12-17-91 28999 <--> 29089
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Jerry,
The strange thing is that I must be the only person reading who
understands what T.A. is saying. (I think)
One is not required, nor should one be expected, to have every
different ethnic, social and religious group approve of what one
does. If a performer has a REASON (even if it is hidden away in
his own mind) to do a particular effect that is offensive to a
portion of the population, so be it. If it is so offensive that
no one will see him or his work, then the performer may starve.
Integrity intact.
However, if I come out and start talking about "niggering" or
"jewing" something down in price, because I'm too stupid to
realize that the remarks are degrading, then I am just being
offensive.
In other words, Andrew Dice Clay has a reason for doing what he
does. So he should be allowed.
We also must be careful about our wording here. If I say "Chink
cans" without ever having heard of "chink" being used as a slur,
then I am ignorant, not stupid. Upon learning of the use as a
slur, I would then be stupid to use it in public. (To magicians
it should still be used because what good is a language where
everyone calls everything by different names?)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29066 Dated 12:27:47 12-17-91 29008 <--> 29069
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Max,
You are absolutly right about the needle and the compass. But at
some point logic needs to be intertwined.
Why would someone who is so powerful at telekinesis in some
stunts be straining so hard at others of much smaller magnitude.
Am I to assume by your statement that you know Geller and he has
told you that he has never learned a trick off a cereal box?
(That was my best "sound good" form of question, but you may not
care what I "assume" so let me ask differently. Do you know
Geller? What information do you possess that can allow you to
state so certainly that Geller has never gotten a trick off of a
cereal box?)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29067 Dated 12:27:55 12-17-91 29013 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DO MEN OR WOMEN?
Thank you.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29068 Dated 12:27:59 12-17-91 29016 <--> 29082
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
True enough.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29069 Dated 12:28:04 12-17-91 29018 <--> 29073
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
David,
This is true. But my point was that in order for Max to have
achieved his reputation, a lot of originality must also have gone
into his work.
One trick you don't find on the back of a cereal box is
originality.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29071 Dated 12:28:16 12-17-91 29033 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SECONDS
Pete,
I was a math major in school, and understand that random is
random.
In regards to practising at poker games, good advice, I think
I'll take it.
I remember some years back someone (I can't remember who) saying
that magicians shouldn't gamble. It is a lose-lose situation.
If you win, people think you cheated, if you lose people think
you're a pretty lousy magician.
I hope you remember the face that was forced upon you with your
royal flush. I would be handy to be able to get everyone else to
fold.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29072 Dated 12:28:23 12-17-91 29037 <--> 29094
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Pete,
Do you not write for magazines anymore?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29073 Dated 12:28:28 12-17-91 29038 <--> 29079
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
That wouldn't be a bad routine. Announce that you are going to
try something that you saw on the back of a cereal box. Show the
box around. Do something which doesn't even come close to the
back of the box. Then show the box to be different.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29074 Dated 12:28:34 12-17-91 29058 <--> 29168
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Oh no! A running gag!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29075 Dated 12:28:38 12-17-91 -> 29096
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: FLASH PAPER
Does anyone know of a good supplier of flash paper? Does anyone
have any experience with making flash paper? I have a recipe
that calls for Nitic acid, sulfuric acid, and paper, but I know
nitrocellulose when I see it. Is that all flash paper is?
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29076 Dated 13:08:36 12-17-91 29061 <--> 29092
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: M A G I C
Only if they are of the correct faith and there are at least ten of
'em. In which case, of course, you will have at least eleven ways of
dovening and at least eleven packet tricks.
Msg #29077 Dated 13:11:48 12-17-91 29062 <--> 29091
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TRAINS, PLANES....
You know, that really ain't a bad deal! Maybe Biro has something here.
Will have to check and see what the airlines are costing these days so
we have some comperables.
You didn't happen to get a schedule, did you?
Msg #29078 Dated 13:10:22 12-17-91 -> 29083
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC TOUR
OK, MAGE DUDES... ROPE MEN, CARD WORKERS AND GENERAL FOLK...
BIRO... is putting together one of his FAMED... "El Cheepo Tours"
together to Salt Lake City, IBM... Departing from LA on June 29, to Las
Vegas... a Glorious NIGHT in Las Vegas at the newly refurbished
Hacienda Hotel... Tickets to the Lance Burton show... and optional to
Seigfried and Roy... then you board your luxury Choo Choo to the IBM
convention where you will be greeted by Fred, the bus driver and
whisked to the exclusive and wonderful Marriott Hotel... and four
glorious days (and one half night) of magic and Tabernacle Choir
Singing... etc...
When you have "had enough"... you will drag your butts and all the
stuff you bought from Joe Stevens at a special discount for members of
the tour... onto the choo choo and wake up dazed, but thrilled back on
the left coast....
For cost and the true details... stay tuned!
Msg #29079 Dated 13:14:05 12-17-91 29069 <--> 29081
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I think Max was BORN original. He is a definite one of a kind. Might
be interesting to ask him what brand of cereal he does eat.
Msg #29080 Dated 13:16:13 12-17-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: DUH
I don't know what I just did, but I got online and all my own stupid
messges was downloaded to me??? Arhg.....
Msg #29081 Dated 13:15:42 12-17-91 29073 <--> 29085
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Want a cereal box trick? OK, here is one from a tape by Dan Witkowski
although not completely original to him.
First, you get two empty Honey Nut Cheerios boxes (he did it for "Big
G Cereals.") Now you cut the front panel off of one, including just a
little of the sides and bottom. You glue this over the front of the
other box, using the excess material. You can now stuff a silk (or
anything else that will lie flat - a fresh roadkilled rabbit, if you
have one) into the pocket. You can open the top and bottom of the box
and, with the bottom pointed to the audience, show the box to be empty.
Then with a wave of your wand, you can produce the silk or rabbit or
whatever.
If you work an adult audience, you could use two boxes from Trojans,
secret a dollar bill, and do some patter about how someone is making
money off of safe sex.
Msg #29082 Dated 13:24:39 12-17-91 29068 <--> 29124
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Yeah, last night, when our car ran out of gas, he discovered bowling
when we stopped in at the bowling alley to call for help. He was
fascinated with the game, watched it for a while, and then said, "You
could juggle those balls!"
Kid's got a wicked sense of humor.
Msg #29083 Dated 13:27:54 12-17-91 29078 <--> 29086
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC TOUR
Pete -
RE: The "El Cheepo Tour" --- _GO_ _FOR_ _IT_ _!!!_
Seriously, you willing to take on the project? I think that would be
MAGNIFICENT. Reserve two adults and one child for me immediately!
Msg #29085 Dated 13:33:45 12-17-91 29081 <--> 29088
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I am about to have a heart attack. A trick on MAGIC!
Msg #29086 Dated 13:34:19 12-17-91 29083 <--> 29097
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC TOUR
you want 2 adults, 1 child... What size, color, etc.?
Msg #29088 Dated 13:35:24 12-17-91 29018 <--> 29095
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
If you think Tommy is good you should see Koornwinder do it!
Msg #29089 Dated 13:35:27 12-17-91 29060 <--> 29125
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Yeh an awful lot of modern comedy IS NOT FUNNY... Some of the
Sat. Nite Live stuff is GREAT and much is CRAPPY
Msg #29091 Dated 13:35:34 12-17-91 29062 <--> 29121
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TRAINS, PLANES....
I have gotten a plan going to include the hotel stopover in Vegas,
etc... and will get the fax back from the IBM's Amtrak Rep in St.
Louis any time now...
.
I think I might suggest to some of the dozen or so performers that
are working the IBM out of the LA area to take the train!!!!
Msg #29092 Dated 13:35:42 12-17-91 29063 <--> 29098
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: M A G I C
I once rented Larry Schiller's 25mm Hulcher (100 frames per second,
full frame 35) for a still ad shot of cars coming straight at me
with a 600mm Kilfitt (wanna buy a bunch of old Kilfitt teles? 150,
300, 400 and 600?) and Larry forgot to show me the pressure plate.
Needless to say ALL THE PICTURES WERE OUT OF FOCUS... DAYS OF
SHOOTING... Luckily I backed the job up with enough Single frame,
I hope it is in focus, shots and the client didn't know any was
wrong. Whew!!!!!!!!
Msg #29094 Dated 13:35:59 12-17-91 29072 <--> 29127
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
I write (well, wrote) a corporate newsletter. The Budget Cut it for
91... cost me!!!!!! But when I go to Akron, Ohio first week of Jan.
they are sitting me down with the producer of their "NEW" publication
and I will do a lot of writing and photography for it. Only thing
bad is I am not doing the final prep (Desktop publishing) so I will
only send them text via modem and they do the typesetting, etc.
But... I am going to charge more so it will be the same profitwise.
.
Currently await news at Sports Illustrated if a set of pictures
are going to be used on a Mario Andretti lookback story. And hve
lots of advertising pictures running. Goodyear, Jeep, Dodge and
Ford stuff. (motorsports, not new cars -- darn!!)
Msg #29095 Dated 13:36:13 12-17-91 29073 <--> 29100
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Are you familiar with Soft Soap? A trick with a soap box? I think it
is one of the great effects.
Msg #29096 Dated 13:36:17 12-17-91 29075 <--> 29109
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
I refuse to answer the question on grounds that I might get burned.
Msg #29097 Dated 13:36:20 12-17-91 29078 <--> 29103
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: MAGIC TOUR
Actually to make it a cheepo tour, scratch S&R and we go to Melinda's
show....
Msg #29098 Dated 13:40:43 12-17-91 29092 <--> 29106
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: M A G I C
I've got a bunch of Kilfitts already.At one time, we sold and rented
the heck out of them. For mot pic work, there're wasn't much else,
during their hay-day.
We even rented them for Leicas, with a reflex housing.
Msg #29099 Dated 13:48:06 12-17-91 -> 29129
From: MARVIN STERN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LUNCH
I feel real bad about the ticket. It was such a good afternoon, too
bad it had to end that way.
Anyway it was nice to meet you and your wife, and along with David to
swap lies. At least the pizza was good.
Msg #29100 Dated 14:56:25 12-17-91 29066 <--> 29101
From: MAX MAVEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You've actually answered your own question in message #29069, but I'll
add that I know that Geller has never gotten a trick off of a cereal
box in the same way that I know that Keith Jarrett never got a piece of
music off of a cereal box.
Msg #29101 Dated 14:59:29 12-17-91 29081 <--> 29102
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
The trick is Tommy Windsor's "Popcorn Dye Box."
Msg #29102 Dated 15:44:17 12-17-91 29101 <--> 29117
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Somehow, I knew I could count on you to furnish the proper attribution.
Thank you.
Msg #29103 Dated 15:45:11 12-17-91 29086 <--> 29122
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC TOUR
Mediums, of course.
Msg #29107 Dated 17:20:31 12-17-91 -> 29111
From: TOMMY GOODWIN
To: ALL
Re: 30,000
Hey...How 'bout that...I just logged on and found out that I am caller
number 30,000. Congrats to me and congrats to MAGIC!.
-Tommy Goodwin-
Msg #29109 Dated 17:35:18 12-17-91 29075 <--> 29110
From: EVAN KATZ
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Her's a subtle hint: DON'T make your own flash paper!
Msg #29110 Dated 17:56:42 12-17-91 29075 <--> 29132
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
BE CAREFUL!!! I have heard far to many stories about things blowing up
when some one make paper of the flash variety. I know there is a
recipe in BANGS, FLASHES and PUFFS OF SMOKE. But haven't ever tried
it. There is also a book called DRUG STORE MAGIC.sa THAT has has a
recipe or two. Hope this helps. I have heard Lance Burton talk of a
supplier here in L.A. but the name escapes me. I should be talking to
Lance this week and will ask him. If you don't hear back from me.
Holler on the BBS. Am very busy now. MIKE.
Msg #29111 Dated 18:14:20 12-17-91 29107 <--> 29137
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TOMMY GOODWIN (X)
Re: 30,000
Congratulations, Tommy! Another MAGIC! record broken!
Msg #29112 Dated 19:25:06 12-17-91
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Hey, we can't lose. My check is in the mail.
Msg #29113 Dated 19:25:49 12-17-91 -> 29141
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CARNEY
Enjoyed your review in (the special underground Lance
Burton issue of) GENII of CARNEYCOPIA. I've been
waiting for a review that covered the fact that some of
the material has been published. Indeed, many of the
items specifically praised by other reviewers have been
published, and I have purchased them, as I have long
been a fan of John's magic. So -- was pleased to read
that this material had been expanded, and that there is
also a significant amount of new material. I'll now
look forward to the book.
Re John Carney, it is interesting how one's perceptions
change depending on where and when you see a performer.
I first saw him on the Palace of Mystery stage doing
his comedy act (getting shot with arrow, instant trip
to Hawaii, etc.). I was therefore surprised to find
him an excellent card handler, performing impromptu at
a convention in St. Louis. Caught him again at Las
Vegas during the comedy competition at a DMS, when his
act included his egg bag and miser's dream routine.
(Both of those routines were quite similar to routines
I used to do back when I did kid shows. Great minds
think alike? Nah, I suspect two minds influenced by
Charlie Miller.) In all three venues, I was most
impressed, and have therefore been looking forward to
an impartial vote of confidence re his new book.
Thanks.
Msg #29114 Dated 19:58:59 12-17-91 -> 29116
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: ALL
Re: CARDS BY MARTIN
Can anyone give me the address / phone# for Cards by Martin or any
other maker of gaffed cards? Also I am looking for back issues of Genni
Mag. Vol. 1 thru Vol. 8. Any help? Thanks.......
Msg #29116 Dated 21:28:45 12-17-91 29114 <--> 29142
From: TOMMY GOODWIN
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: CARDS BY MARTIN
Dennis.....don't know if this address is current. Got it of an old
mental effect "Double Marksmanship".
Cards by Martin
507 West Avenue H-8
Lancaster, CA 93534
Good Luck.
-Tommy Goodwin
Msg #29117 Dated 21:46:03 12-17-91 28963 <--> 29118
From: STAN LAKE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Since we have narrowed down a very wide field of "psychic entertainers
or mentalists" to your show that I have seen in particular I can be
more specific. I did not see you perform any one trick or routine in
your show that I have ever read about anywhere else. I have seen other
mentalism acts perform tricks I HAVE read about. I am sure your show
is entirely your own creation. With your prodigious output of original
magic it should be. There were some TECHNIQUES in your show which I
have read about and are common to other performances.
I don't know how to say my next thoughts without seeming offensive but
the fact is that I could duplicate the effects you performed from
watching your performance. I might not follow your techniques 100% to
achieve those effects but I could duplicate the results.
If you remember I wrote several messages on Magic! in glowing praise of
your performance and showmanship that I would give a lot fo r to obtain
just a fraction of. So even if I were to perfectly duplicate a set of
techniques in an effect it would not have the same impact on an
audience that you would. I am only saying that I could physically
duplicate the effects I saw you perform and not that I could DO your
performance or that I am in any way as GOOD as you.
If you remember I wrote how I thought it was your tremendous
showmanship that made for such a great and memorable performance.
That is something no one can duplicate by just watching.
Msg #29118 Dated 22:11:17 12-17-91 28965 <--> 29123
From: STAN LAKE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Good question. I wish I could leave it at that. I realize the answer
to this is not an easy one because it is making me THINK!
I have never been in a situation where someone did a gambling demo with
non-gambling skills and had someone say "WOW- that's incredible!"
I'm trying to mentally play out that scene in my mind and what I think
my response might be. The first thing that comes to mind is to take a
deck of cards and say "Oh yeah? Watch this!" and do one of my own.
When it comes to mentalism I feel that when a person views a series of
tricks that they believe to be a true demonstration of abilities t{at
[that] it further supports and steels their belief in, for want of a
better word, the supernatural, superstitions, et. al. I feel, and
probably not rightly so, that I am helping to protect them from being
taken in or taken advantage of.
This isn't a well thought out train of thinking. I'm just writing off
the top of my head and I'll probably get some heat for this!
Maybe I should don my asbestos gloves and welders goggles next time I
log on! Take care...
Msg #29120 Dated 22:32:21 12-17-91 28794 <-
From: RICHARD HART
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FREE TO GOOD HOME
Only to the Welsh, Pete, only to the Welsh...
Msg #29121 Dated 22:46:47 12-17-91 29077 <--> 29126
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRAINS, PLANES....
David,
I'm about ready to write Pete about his deal. I'm sure he can do
better than I, but will offer any assistance.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29122 Dated 22:46:52 12-17-91 29078 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC TOUR
Pete,
Sounds great! Let me know if there is anything I can do on my
end.
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29123 Dated 22:46:57 12-17-91 29081 <--> 29128
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
David,
Cereal box tricks would make an interesting specialty. Imagine
15 minutes of nothing but cereal box illusions. It would be
killer. Would that make you a cereal killer?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29124 Dated 22:47:02 12-17-91 29082 <--> 29133
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Did you have him pick one up?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29125 Dated 22:47:06 12-17-91 29089 <--> 29146
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Of course an awful lot of old comedy is crappy too. It's just
that the things we see now, and that stick in our memories are
the really classic routines. I would pay for cable just to see
Ernie Kovacs.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29126 Dated 22:47:12 12-17-91 29091 <--> 29131
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRAINS, PLANES....
Pete,
Again, the Biro train sounds wonderful. That would really make
the trip.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29127 Dated 22:47:16 12-17-91 29094 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Pete,
Good luck with the photo assignments. Sounds like thing are
going well.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29128 Dated 22:47:21 12-17-91 29095 <--> 29130
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
No, I am not familiar with soft soap. Pray tell.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29129 Dated 22:47:25 12-17-91 29099 <--> 29134
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Marvin,
The tickets were not your fault, and I did indeed enjoy the
company and the pizza. In that order.
Remind me sometime and I'll tell you what happened on the way
home. David thinks it was a $126.00 afternoon. I could bring
that estimate up some.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29130 Dated 22:51:24 12-17-91 29123 <--> 29144
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You would only be a cereal killer if you were good at it! In the right
hands, 15 minutes of cereal box tricks COULD KILL (one way or the
other!). Seriously, I think someone with talent could pull it off.
Back when we first started, we had some clown on here (a genuine clown,
not the slang use of the term) who posted a message about how he was
really disturbed that one of the cereal companies had run almost his
entire act on the backs of their boxes! I think he wanted us to start
a boycott, as I recall.
Msg #29131 Dated 22:55:08 12-17-91 29121 <--> 29158
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TRAINS, PLANES....
Great! When Pete posted his message, I assumed that you two could work
together on this. Sure hope the schedule works!
Msg #29132 Dated 22:56:30 12-17-91 29110 <--> 29139
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Mike,
Thanks for the info.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29133 Dated 22:56:10 12-17-91 29124 <--> 29151
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Yep! I should have pointed out that he made the "You could juggle
those balls" comment AFTER he tried to pick one up! I figure he's
already checked out my insurance policies.
Msg #29134 Dated 22:58:03 12-17-91 29129 <--> 29148
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Uh! Oh! Kevin! WHAT happened on the way home? Or do you want to wait
for Marvin to see your message, drink some Maloxx (tm, somebody) and
then ask?
Msg #29135 Dated 23:11:51 12-17-91 29098 <--> 29136
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: M A G I C
I had a Leica with Reflex housing... then converted the Visofles
to fit a pair of Bell and Howell Fotons that ran at 7 frames per
second... still have two of them in A1 Condition with the Viso and
all the Kilfitts.... argh.... what a bunch of Money!
Msg #29137 Dated 23:12:02 12-17-91 29107 <--> 29244
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY GOODWIN (X)
Re: 30,000
Who the heck are you? Don't take me too seriously, but anyway,
Welcome -- I don't recall seeing your Moniker here before... have
fun... I'd say "enjoy" but others use that line...
Msg #29139 Dated 23:12:10 12-17-91 29109 <--> 29140
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
I once got a chemistry set and made my own carbon paper. I think
some of the clothing is still blue and it was 47 years ago!!!!
Msg #29140 Dated 23:12:14 12-17-91 29110 <--> 29156
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Most major magic dealers sell flash paper.
Msg #29141 Dated 23:12:17 12-17-91 29113 <--> 29150
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CARNEY
If you get the book... you got to get his comanion video, showing
him working and wandering about during a night at the famed and
wonderful Magic Castle.
Msg #29142 Dated 23:12:22 12-17-91 29114 <--> 29143
From: PETE BIRO
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: CARDS BY MARTIN
Martin runs ads in the current magazines... lesseee.... Just found
his address: 44533 N. Dale, Lancaster, CA 93534 - price list $1.00.
Call Byron Walker (evenings) 510-352-1854, or write PO Box 3186,
San Leandro, CA 94578 -- he has THOUSANDS of back issues of Genii.
Msg #29143 Dated 23:12:27 12-17-91 29116 <--> 29149
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY GOODWIN (X)
Re: CARDS BY MARTIN
The address I just posted is from a 1991, Dec. Linking Ring ad.
Msg #29144 Dated 23:12:31 12-17-91 29118 <--> 29147
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You should read Tony Giorgio's comments on "Gamblind Experts" in
the Current (Lance cover) Genii... I sure hope Giorgio is putting
all his stuff into some kind of planned major book! He has much to
offer!
Msg #29146 Dated 23:12:45 12-17-91 29125 <--> 29169
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Kovacs is on so infrequently you would be wasting a lot of money
to see a few minutes a month... I understand Edie Adams has all
the tapes, but they are not in good order... and there is a show
in which CARDINI performed! And there are some friends of magic
that know her trying to get her to sort thru and find it....
Msg #29147 Dated 23:12:52 12-17-91 29128 <--> 29152
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Soft Soap is basically a Kid Show "sucker" trick. You show three
handkerchiefs that have been SOILED badly (another version called
"Sophisticated Soft Soap" shows as some of the soils LIP PRINTS).
.
You show the dirty laundry, pick up a box of SOAP (they give you
a huge supply of plain unused soap boxes) and put the dirty hankies
into the box. You shake it up and down and turn it over... opening
the bottom and remove all the silk hankies... and they are clean
as clean can be....
.
The kids start to hoot and holler... "turn the box over, all you
did was to turn it over....boo boo hisssss... lets see the box....
etc. etc."
.
Soooo... for the kicker, you just tear open the box and toss it out
to the screaming assemblage... just in time so they don't rush up
on stage and rip you to shreds.
.
Is a genuine great trick and a definite fooler!
.
I am sure the major dealers still list it in their catalogs.
Msg #29148 Dated 23:13:13 12-17-91 29129 <--> 29200
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LUNCH
You aren't going to tell them about rolling the car and setting
fire to a building are you?
Msg #29149 Dated 23:43:06 12-17-91 29114 <--> 29199
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: CARDS BY MARTIN
He is listed in Lancaster as neil lester or cards by martin Area code
(805)
Msg #29150 Dated 23:43:15 12-17-91 29113 <--> 29184
From: T A WATERS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CARNEY
Carney was certainly inspired by Charlie Miller -- but a major
inspiration for him was Faucett Ross. I admire John's work a great
deal, as you may have guessed.
Msg #29151 Dated 23:48:25 12-17-91 29000 <--> 29159
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
I haven't seen Lance's levi yet, so can't comment -- but the way
David's routine is structured I think people start by believing it is
wires a la Peter Pan -- and one by one all the solutions are
eliminated, so that when he picks up the girl and flies, they've just
given up and experience it...
Msg #29152 Dated 23:52:08 12-17-91 28987 <--> 29157
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Of course Max DOESN'T get his material from cereal boxes -- and
neither, certainly, does Geller, whatever Randi may say.
Msg #29155 Dated 23:57:19 12-17-91 -> 29187
From: TOMMY GOODWIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 30,000
Hi Pete...thanks for the welcome. I am new to MAGIC! BBS...but not new
to magic. I have been around for many years. Dropped out of the club
and social magic scene for awhile but am eager to catch up! I am
working in motion picture post-production (sound)...but never lost my
love of magic and magicians. Pete...we met many moons ago when I was
working with Duke Stern behind the dealers table for "Harris Magic" in
Atlanta. I don't remember which conventions...but you seemed to be at
ALL of them! I have very fond memories of staying up late and laughing
til my sides hurt. Those were wonderful days. Anyway...would love to
see you again and want to get involved in the local magic scene. Maybe
you could point me in the right directions. I am really glad I found
Magic! it seems like a great way to interact with fellow magi plus keep
up on what's happening. Happy I could be caller 30,000...that's super!
Take care
-Tommy Goodwin
Msg #29156 Dated 0:17:03 12-18-91 29096 <--> 29164
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Try Theater Effects, advertised in Genii. DON'T TRY IT
YOURSELF!!!! (at least not until you finalize our SLC train trip!
;-)
David (the other one)
Msg #29157 Dated 0:17:09 12-18-91 29100 <--> 29174
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I don't think he GOT a trick off of a cereal box, as much as it
might have been that a SIMILAR effect might have been published
on one. I personally am to young to remember such a box anyway. I
tend to agree with Kevin, though. If he wants to exhibit his
ability, why choose something that can be so easily explained
away ? (even if explained WRONG?)
David (still waiting for PROOF)
Msg #29158 Dated 0:17:17 12-18-91 29062 <--> 29188
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TRAINS, PLANES....
Kevin,
How about a price from Las Vegas to SLC? Some of us Las Vegans
might be persuaded to hop aboard.
Even if I can't go along for the ride, I'll DEFINITELY join you
guys for a nite out in Vegas.
David (the other one)
Msg #29159 Dated 0:17:24 12-18-91 29044 <--> 29160
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
And I thought you were raving about that wonderful effect with
the Thumb Tip!
Have you seen any recent sources for a Chinese coin of that size?
I wonder if a Compact Disk might work? Still looking for a valid
reason though.
David (the other one)
Msg #29160 Dated 0:17:31 12-18-91 29017 <--> 29166
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Thats exactly why I hesitate to show my 8 year old Benjamin my
tricks. He sees right through most of them when most adults
don't.
I wonder at what age people lose the ability to see things the
way they ARE instead of the way they believe it should be?
David (the other one)
Msg #29164 Dated 0:23:23 12-18-91 29132 <--> 29165
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
You're welcome. Shout if I can be any more help.
Msg #29165 Dated 0:23:53 12-18-91 29140 <--> 29238
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Agreed. I just know some guydo speciality work. I have had to get a
6'x 6' sheet once for a commercial shoot and it had to be specially
made. It wasn't that I didn't want to promote buying it in magic
shops. I thought there might be a special application he needed.
Colored paper, flash string, etc.
Msg #29166 Dated 0:22:53 12-18-91 29160 <--> 29170
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
I've wondered about the opposite! It would seem to me that at his age,
the idea that something could be done magically would be just as
reasonable as the idea that it corresponded only with physical law, so
I would think that kids (other than magicians kids!) would assume that
there is no reason to suspect that something can't be magic.
'Tis a good season to ask the question, since I would imagine that
things would change about the same time that they stop believing in
Santa Clause or Grandfather Maccabee (? Funny, I never heard of him
until now!) or whoever visits Moslem, Buddhist or atheistic children
around this time of year.
Msg #29168 Dated 0:33:06 12-18-91 29058 <--> 29203
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Never mind the directions I'll just give them to Tommy Trojan
next month when he delivers my PERSONAL issue of M A G I C !
Msg #29169 Dated 0:33:07 12-18-91 29009 <--> 29175
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
OK I think I got it. What you are saying is that if magician is using
offensive material and DOESN'T KNOW it's offensive, then he shows
his stupidity and insensitivity in the worst way. He/She has put
together material WITHOUT thinking about what he was doing and that
worse is than a person, who puts in offensive material, KNOWING it is
offensive.
.
We then move to the question of the person who has offensive material
in their act, and don't know its offensive, and are told it is offens
ive. They now have two choices, one - take out the offensive material
since their ignorance was their only crime. Second, they leave it in
claiming artistic freedom - where do we classify them then ?
Msg #29170 Dated 0:33:14 12-18-91 29044 <--> 29185
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
I saw the Giovani coin routine and was impressed with the concept.
Pushing one coin thru another is great. Do you know where I can get
a folding small (half dollar size, black & brass) coin made. I have
a routine where my final load is a giant chinese coin and could seque
into a penetration bit. Using a folding coin for something other than
in a bottle has set me to thinking about other possibilities as well.
Msg #29174 Dated 1:20:04 12-18-91 29157 <--> 29178
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
1. It's time to put the Randi comment about cereal boxes to rest.
Cereal companies simply don't put Gelleresque material on the backs of
their boxes.
2. By no means can all of Geller's material be "easily explained away."
Msg #29175 Dated 1:21:39 12-18-91 29146 <--> 29191
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
The show on which Cardini performed was hosted by Ernie Kovacs, but it
was not one of Kovacs' shows. It was a "Producers Showcase" special,
which aired about 1957. Other performers included Robert Harbin and
Milbourne Christopher; the latter was the magic coordinator.
Msg #29176 Dated 1:24:56 12-18-91 29029 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHARLIE MILLER
Yea....I think I will try to bend a book with my forehead, I mean
mind.
Msg #29177 Dated 1:25:00 12-18-91 29053 <--> 29180
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: M A G I C
So true David....you should be getting your palm top brochure
any minute now.
Boiling is a better word, but the saying goes, Tose who live in
a glass house should not throw stones.
Msg #29178 Dated 1:24:59 12-18-91 29117 <--> 29181
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I suppose it's somewhat churlish of me to press the point after your
praising comments, but I shall. No, you are not capable of duplicating
the effects you saw me perform.
I'm not discussing showmanship here, but specific effects. You may be
able to accomplish something similar, but not duplication.
To soften the arrogance of my statement, I'll happily go on record in
saying that there are many other performers whose work I could make
some sort of ersatz simulation of, but could not duplicate.
Msg #29180 Dated 2:03:51 12-18-91 29177 <--> 29216
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: M A G I C
Looking forward to the palm top info! Saw the HP advertised in the
paper today.
I can understand the boiling - I've been exposed to my share of heat
now and then.
Msg #29181 Dated 2:07:57 12-18-91 29178 <--> 29182
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I'd like to jump in with a question, Max, if I may. It has been one
I've been wanting to ask for some time.
Preface: Clearly, all of us who have seen you perform and who have
reviewed your performance here had nothing but overwhelming praise for
your showmanship and for your absolute control of the audience.
Question: In your own case, to what extent do you attribute this
quality to natural talent? And to what extent was it gained by dint of
hard work?
Correlative question: What activities would you recommend to one who
wished to improve their own skills in this area?
Msg #29182 Dated 4:02:21 12-18-91 29181 <--> 29183
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
It is impossible for me to assess my make-up in regard to what percent
is natural talent and what percent is hard work. Certainly, there must
be some of the former; without question there is much of the latter.
The one activity I always recommend when asked a question of the sort
you pose is to join an amateur theater group.
Msg #29183 Dated 7:12:53 12-18-91 29182 <--> 29186
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Thanks, Max. Joining an amateur theater group is an interesting
suggestion. One that would appear to make a great deal of sense.
Msg #29184 Dated 8:57:20 12-18-91 29150 <--> 29252
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CARNEY
It seems a lot of magicians received inspiration from Faucett Ross.
He must have written as much (letters) as Walter Gibson. He and
Danny Dew, I understand, were close... and both excellent club
performers.
I know a lot of magic came from Ross, but I had one bad experience
regarding the gentleman. Albiet minor.
He was at the Castle by the downstairs bar and there were LAYMEN
standing all over the place (it was pretty crowded) and he was
openly exposing the salt gimmick.
Maybe nobody knew what it was... but it just seemed in bad form
to me...
Msg #29185 Dated 8:57:32 12-18-91 29151 <--> 29189
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Fortunately all the film (not special effect movies) and live
performances of Peter Pan showed the WIRE clearly.... with the
jillion tiny wires in the Maskelyn version... NONE CAN BE SEEN,
and with the hoops, proves, and varied presentations it is
impossible to figure... I SAT RIGHT UP FRONT and stared at where
the necessary would be and could see NADA....
Msg #29186 Dated 8:57:40 12-18-91 29152 <--> 29194
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Have you checked the cereal boxes in Isreal?
Msg #29187 Dated 8:57:43 12-18-91 29155 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TOMMY GOODWIN (X)
Re: 30,000
Anybody that experienced "Sterno" is ahead of the game... we sure
miss the dude... I spent more late nights with Dukey, Karrell and
Jay Marshall, as well as Abner... pulling pranks, going crazy,
breaking hotel room furniture than immaginable...
.
That kind of stuff doesn't seem to happen any more at the conventions
.
Too bad... be cool, have a good Yule....
Msg #29188 Dated 8:57:53 12-18-91 29158 <--> 29239
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: TRAINS, PLANES....
You can be the Official Tourgide for the Vegas, if you'll pardon
the expression, LEG!
Msg #29189 Dated 8:57:56 12-18-91 29159 <--> 29190
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Thanks for the card....
.
I have sent a message to the Tabster to make a small wooden piece
that is supposed to be "the stage" and it has a small "Magician's
Trap Door" (just the correct size).
.
You might try gift shops and "brass" stores... the kind that sell
all the imported crap made of brass... Try Joe Stevens too, he sells
the Kaps Chinese Coin trick and might have bulk supplies of the
coin. You need the one that has the square hole that is a hair under
7/8s of an inch.
Msg #29190 Dated 8:58:09 12-18-91 29160 <--> 29192
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
After they've "seen it all".... tsk
Msg #29191 Dated 8:58:12 12-18-91 29169 <--> 29193
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
You classify them, soon, "out of work"....
Msg #29192 Dated 8:58:15 12-18-91 29170 <--> 29196
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Two sources.... call Johnson Products (might be easier to call
Mike Caveney - Magical Productions - in Pasadena - he worked there
and still does some times) and/or SASCO, or Paul Diamond... both
make tons of coins and would, for the right price, probably make
anything you want! Diamond, I know has his own machinist.
.
There are guys around, I just haven't been into that scene of late.
I had some stuff made by a guy in N.Y. -- a specially modified
version of the cap and pence but with Silver Dollars.
Msg #29193 Dated 8:58:25 12-18-91 29175 <--> 29206
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Thanks for clearing that up... that is probably why it (the
the film/tape/kine?) is not catalogued by his wife... I think it
was Milt Larsen that told me about it and he was trying to get his
mitts on it. There are a lot of folks that whould like to see
another version of Cardini...
.
My tape was one of those the RATS got into... but it cleaned up OK!
Msg #29194 Dated 8:58:34 12-18-91 29181 <--> 29195
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I know you asked the questions of Max... but to lend an opinion,
after all this is an open forum...
.
Most abilities in SHOWMANSHIP and PRESENTATION come from one's
OWN NATURAL BORN ABILITIES... they are glib, confident, have good
voice, unique appearance, etc... BUT THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT
ingredient comes from ONE THING.... WORK and study. You generally
find those that excell as performers (not in technique) have done
23,853 shows!
.
Like the older major comics say... "Nowdays (after the Catskills
died out and vodvil vanished) there is NO PLACE TO BE BAD!"
.
This has once again changed... with all the tiny comedy clubs all
over the country... there are thousands out their BEING BAD. Some
learn and move up... most just keep being bad.
.
Goshman is a good example. He took half-a-dozen basic effects and
performed them so many times that the magic became something he
didn't have to even think about... he then was able to build his
ability to ENTERTAIN and "work the audience".... you could see the
slow growth throughout his career.
.
There are some "very well-known" magi that paralled his career (in
time of activity) that, however DID NOT IMPROVE their personality
and showmanship.... it just happens to some.... and Vernon's words
have always stuck with me (and he is so right).. "The audience has
to like you in the first few seconds."
.
That is why I can view a tape, or judge an act in the first minute
or so... as to its value, if I will hire them or not...
.
If, on stage (or at the table) they LIKE (or LOVE) you... you are
almost home free!
Msg #29195 Dated 8:59:07 12-18-91 29182 <--> 29235
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
For stage workers I always tell them to take dance classes in the
afternoons. I like your idea too, acting classes, theatre groups,
anything that has to do with performing cannot harm. Who knows, it
might lead to a TV show... a job as a Judge in a night court!
Msg #29196 Dated 8:59:13 12-18-91 29159 <--> 29233
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
I will see if a Compact disk will work... if hole is too small,
maybe a folding Quarter will do it... ties in... don't they still
use Quarters in Juke Boxes? I hope I still have a disk around here
someplace...
Msg #29199 Dated 9:31:48 12-18-91 29114 <--> 29385
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: CARDS BY MARTIN
He runs as ad in the back of cu8rrent Genii.
Msg #29200 Dated 11:13:15 12-18-91 29129 <--> 29234
From: MARVIN STERN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LUNCH
I've had enough bad new for the day, and I hate to ask, but what
happened after lunch.
Msg #29201 Dated 12:02:18 12-18-91 -> 29205
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
FLASH - FLASH -
THE MAGIC PARLOR will open at The Continental Hotel, Dec. 26, 1991, w
ith two shows; 7:00 PM and 9:00 PM, every night except Monday. $5.95
per person, includes one drink.
Close-up Magic, Comedy and Variety.
(This is how it appeared in the release. MAGIC is the first to know.
I am the producer.....Geno Munari
Msg #29203 Dated 13:45:01 12-18-91 29168 <--> 29250
From: EVAN KATZ
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
I -STILL- haven't gotten the darned thing. Really!
Msg #29205 Dated 13:48:01 12-18-91 29201 <--> 29207
From: MIKE KING
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Congrats on the producing gig!!!! Am trying to make Vegas early next
year. Will come in and show my support 9that means bring lots o'
guests) Best of Luck!!!!!! MIKE.
Msg #29206 Dated 14:52:39 12-18-91 29193 <--> 29208
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Tapes of the "Producers Showcase" special are around. The Cardini
segment in particular is not difficult to find. It's the one that John
Fisher used on the Paul Daniels show a couple of years ago.
Msg #29207 Dated 15:56:05 12-18-91 29201 <--> 29211
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
I am not avialable to work opening night... darn...
.
Didn't know you would have it "done" this soon... I know you have
been talking about this for not such a very long time... great!
.
Don't pay the magicians to work... show them how to win at the
tables... (jus' kiddin' dudes...)!!!!!!!!
Msg #29208 Dated 15:56:14 12-18-91 29206 <--> 29274
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
OK... I just haven't been keeping up with it... talked to Milt
about it, probably 8 years ago!! My how time flies!
Msg #29210 Dated 15:56:54 12-18-91 -> 29256
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: GIOVANNI IDEA
N
Ee;29199
OK... HERE IS THE LATEST....
.
The principle I have gone bananas over of late is the Giovanni Coin
thru Coin in the latest issue of Stan Allen's MAGIC Magazine...
.
The thought of using a compact disk was brought up here online, so,
I got my mitts on one. The hole is too small... but that is OK,
you need to use the same one over and over again for the trick
anyway... so.... just drill the hole out to the size required.
(I have not figured this yet, but that is minor detail)... One good
thought is to use a Quarter instead of the Half Dollar coin. Using
Carney's LOGIC, so few people see Halves... AND you use Quarters in
coin-op Music Machines... so... you tell 'em you have a new kind
of coin-op music system. Bring out the Compact Disk. Say, "all you
got to do is put the money in and it plays"... you can use a shot
glass or small glass to set on the table. You place the disk on
top of the glass and place a Quarter (folding kind) on the disk.
Say, "Watch... I will push the coin in... you don't believe me?
No... watch... you poke the coin in thru the small hole it lands
in the glass... AND JUST THEN THE MUSIC BEGINS TO PLAY FROM THE
DISK.
.
WOWOWOW.... YO!
.
How????
.
Some years ago I bought a trick where you showed a TINY speaker.
This was the kind that would be in a cheap Transistor Radio...
You used to lay it on the table and ask someone to lean over and
listen and they would hear music... there were handling bits, and
"on off gags" etc... but the basic (and Mike Weber has repeated
a similar idea in his latest lecture where you LISTEN to the rubber
ear pad covers from a Walkman Headset...
.
Method is same... You have a small radion on, under your coat with
a 'REMOTE' on/off switch. For this you need a small tape player
with a little speaker and the on/off switch... SO THE SAME TUNE
AS IS ON THE DISK PLAYS!
.
That is ONLY the bare bones... I don't know what you want to lead
in with, and I would avoid doing all kinds of switches with the
coin... just bring it out and do it... or borrow one and do one
switch... You might start out with the ungaffed coin and show how
you CANNOT push it thru the small hole... then you do it... then
you say, "Now if I do it with a glass under the disk, the glass
acts like a sound something or other and you can hear the music!"
.
Hey... if I worked it all out for you then everyone would do it
the same way...
.
Just look at how different the approach is already in just a few
days of the article breaking!!!!!!!!
.
Bizzare one... I don't know if the coin you describe will work, as
there needs to be some kinda design on it to HIDE THE FOLD CUTS.
Msg #29211 Dated 16:06:49 12-18-91 29201 <--> 29214
From: MARVIN STERN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Congradulations.
Msg #29213 Dated 16:52:15 12-18-91 29031 <--> 29290
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
I dunno what "ask david" meant, either.
What am I, an historian?
Heh.
'W.
Msg #29214 Dated 16:53:42 12-18-91 29201 <--> 29243
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
What more?
Msg #29215 Dated 16:53:29 12-18-91 29035 <--> 29291
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ULTIMATE TV
1940 dollars are not an accurate comparison for 1991 dollars.
My opinion is that they just might be spinning in their graves at the
thought of their work being used as a backdrop for a TV commercial!
'W.
Msg #29216 Dated 16:55:43 12-18-91 29039 <--> 29217
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: M A G I C
MENTAL Powers will suffice. I've been accused of being "mental" for
years.
'W.
Msg #29217 Dated 16:56:19 12-18-91 29057 <--> 29253
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: M A G I C
Well, at least we agree on something.
'W.
Msg #29219 Dated 18:55:06 12-18-91 28776 <--> 29251
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
To change the subject. THREE WANDS coming up. You are a beautiful
guy. Great stuff and one for JACK, no problem. The PARALLAX effect
is basically the one Terry Rogers put out a few years ago and one
that we had a discussion on MAGIC! a year or so ago. It is a
folded card routine in the vein of CARD WARP but much more
powerful (I think). I'll show you what I've done with it at DMS
but basically it is an effect of tearing a trapdoor in a card and
then turning the card over while the spectator holds the flap. Are
you CONFUSED??? by my rather terse description?? Hard to describe
but easy to DO.
Msg #29220 Dated 18:55:15 12-18-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: BACK AT YOU
Ee;28794
Yo.....
Great talking to you the other day. Will be fun working the Salt
Lake City convention together, huh???
Msg #29224 Dated 18:55:35 12-18-91 29043 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS
You are certainly in rare form. Yowsuh!!
Msg #29231 Dated 22:02:09 12-18-91 -> 29245
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: PARTY AT BOBBY MCGEE'S
Just came in from the party I invited everyone to and none of you wuz
there! Bill Chaudet and Kerry Ross among others made it but no one
from Magic! Had a great time. Lots of fun, food and drink. Too bad
I have to work tomorrow! Maybe another time?
Msg #29233 Dated 22:51:09 12-18-91 29133 <--> 29249
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
I remember being a kid and assuming my dad was stronger than any
task.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29234 Dated 22:51:14 12-18-91 29134 <--> 29236
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH
David,
I don't know if Stan or I mentioned it, but one of the foul-ups
on the way to the castle was that our car broke down. I did a
temporary fix, and got us back on the road.
After we left you, we got about as far as the 5/10 interchange
and started having problems again. I did what I could, and we
kept having problems. We made it to Baldwin Park before the poor
thing gave up on us.
We called my in-laws who came and picked us up. We left the car
at the garage to be fixed and to pick it up the next day.
Our bill ran just a hair under $200 for the repair. An
expensive, but enjoyable day.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29235 Dated 22:51:22 12-18-91 29147 <--> 29237
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I am familiar with the soft soap illusion. I'm still learning
the "proper" names for all of these.
Thanks for the low-down.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29236 Dated 22:51:27 12-18-91 29148 <--> 29242
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LUNCH
No Pete, rolling the car and arson is for after they've absorbed
the breaking down part.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29237 Dated 22:51:32 12-18-91 29152 <--> 29257
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
T.A.,
I still haven't been able to get a hold of that book, but I did
ask Randi about it.
He said:
"First, Geller tried to fool the two scientists who 'discovered'
him, Targ & Puthoff, by doing a blindfold drive for them. They
knew how that was done, so they 'forgave' him that one.
"Second, I have videotapes in which it can clearly be seen that
sleight-of-hand is performed. This evidence is as strong as
seeing the wire on a Zombie. It is not a matter of opinion, but
a matter of strong, visible evidence.
"That evidence is evident to the layman, too, and I've not yet
shown it to a non-magician who failed to see the modus. Though
most of what Geller does takes place off-camera (the
'Drawing-in-the-sealed-envelope' bit, for example) some of it is
seen if you watch the videotape closely enough. I've shown
videotape to magicians in Denmark, Sweden, Italy and Mexico and
have collected just under 200 signatures to date on a document
affirming that sleight-of-hand can be clearly seen. Since Geller
says that he does not use such methods...."
I am not trying to take the heat off of myself in getting Randi's
response, but I did feel akward that we are having this debate
without hearing his side of it. It will be most interesting when
the next issue of Magic come out.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29238 Dated 22:51:44 12-18-91 29156 <--> 29240
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
I appreciate the concern. (I think.)
If it makes you feel better, I've made my own high explosives in
the past without a mishap. I understand and follow lab
procedures and am careful with any new reaction.
The only close call I've ever had was in making some nitrous-
oxide. Interesting stuff.
Thanks for the tip.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29239 Dated 22:59:53 12-18-91 29158 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: TRAINS, PLANES....
David,
GREAT! Looking forward to it.
As you no doubt already know, Pete is bringing our prices down,
and will let you know what is available.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29240 Dated 22:59:58 12-18-91 29164 <--> 29241
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Mike,
I have yet to be able to find a copy of BANGS, FLASHES and PUFFS
of SMOKE or of DRUG STORE MAGIC.
Any ideas as to where I could buy these?
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29241 Dated 23:00:03 12-18-91 29165 <--> 29284
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Mike,
What you describe is basically what I need to do. The largest
flash paper I've been able to find is 8.5'' by 11''.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29242 Dated 23:00:08 12-18-91 29200 <--> 29259
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Marvin,
I told all the lurid details to David in a previous message. If
you missed it, I'll repeat. After all, it was Friday the
13th.
Thanks again for charming company, and great pizza. I don't mean
to be more bad news.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29243 Dated 23:00:14 12-18-91 29201 <--> 29254
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Geno,
Congrats! I've been waiting for a good reason to take another
trip to Vegas. Maybe this is it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29244 Dated 23:00:19 12-18-91 29137 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 30,000
Pete,
"Others" use that line? "Others?"
Sheeesh. Mutter mutter. "Others."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29245 Dated 23:00:24 12-18-91 29231 <--> 29270
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PARTY AT BOBBY MCGEE'S
Stan,
I'm sorry I couldn't make your party. I certainly appreciate the
invite. Glad it went well.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29249 Dated 23:10:11 12-18-91 29233 <--> 29297
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Yeah. One of my friends claims that for years, when her father would
come home from work, he would encourage her to take a hammer and to
pound on his toes as hard as she could! _THE_ big disillusionment in
her life was when she found out that he wore steel tipped safety shoes!
Msg #29250 Dated 23:12:38 12-18-91 29203 <--> 29261
From: JERRY BURTON
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Have you tried subscribing to M A G I C, its easy just send them
money and they mail it. The other possibility is your mail-person has
latent magic tendencies and is ripping it off.
Msg #29251 Dated 23:12:41 12-18-91 29219 <--> 29279
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
I've seen the effect now that you mention it, just didn't know the na
me as PARALLAX.
.
Thanks in advance on the wands. Hope everything is going well. Are
you having a white Christmas back there ? Talk to you later.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #29252 Dated 23:12:45 12-18-91 29184 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CARNEY
Agree Carney is one of the best all-around magi around today. I
always thought he was just a comedy type guy, but when he wants to
get serious he can kill in any company.
Msg #29253 Dated 23:12:48 12-18-91 29217 <--> 29292
From: JERRY BURTON
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: M A G I C
You should do a mentalist act and bill yourself as Amazing Powers !
.
Well maybe not, Randi might sue you or Geller might get confused as
to which Amazing he is sueing. Never mind !
.
Bizarre.
Msg #29254 Dated 23:12:52 12-18-91 29214 <--> 29260
From: JERRY BURTON
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Great Geno, good luck on the new show. Is that the 85 seat close-up
venue you were talking about ? Vegas is definitely the magic capitol
of the world now.
.
Met a guy at the auction tonight whose son does custom frames. Said
his son was doing a bunch for DC to put in the museum he's building
in Vegas. Hear any more on that ?
Msg #29256 Dated 23:13:02 12-18-91 29210 <--> 29265
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GIOVANNI IDEA
Great idea on the compact disk bit - for the right person it could be
a killer.
.
Yea - I'm not sure having a small chinese coin made into folding one
would show the cuts or not - but it sure would fit into my Buddha
traveling coins routine. I'll have to show it to you some time. Not
sure if its original or not (I just created it around a brass Buddha
I found in an antique store), but the story and presentation definite
ly are. Need one more prop to complete the effect to my satisfaction
(well at least for starters anyway - they always keep evolving).
Msg #29257 Dated 23:17:02 12-18-91 29194 <--> 29263
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: Work and study.
Actually, I rather suspected that you would answer the questions as
well. And you did so in a very fine style! Thanks!
Msg #29259 Dated 23:28:05 12-18-91 29234 <--> 29294
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LUNCH
Well, at least for the $200 you got the car fixed! Mine is
deteriorating rapidly and looks more like it will take $2,000 to fix
it! SERIOUSLY.
Msg #29260 Dated 23:30:05 12-18-91 29201 <--> 29301
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
WOW! That is TERRIFIC NEWS, Geno!!! And I am really glad that you
broke the story here! You have all our thoughts and good wishes on
this new MAGIC PARLOR! Gotta see it!
Msg #29261 Dated 23:31:44 12-18-91 29203 <--> 29272
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
You might want to give Patrice Moore at Stan Allen's office a call -
(213) 935-9987. OOOPS! That's GENII's NUMBER - OK, Patrice would be
at (310) 531-0953 - Faxe: (310) 408-2588. And while you are contacting
her, remind her that her seat here on MAGIC! is getting cold!
Msg #29263 Dated 23:40:12 12-18-91 29186 <--> 29264
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Isreal -- isn't real; Israel -- is real.
Msg #29264 Dated 23:41:19 12-18-91 29237 <--> 29268
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I've seen that film, and I have my doubts. I am particularly
interested in Randi's comment about being able to see if "if you watch
the videotape closely enough." I have had magicians tell me I flashed
a bit when I did a sleight I DID NOT DO, but which they thought was the
only way what I was doing could be done. People see what they expect
to see, or hope to see, in many cases. Did you ever see the film
BLOW-UP?
Msg #29265 Dated 23:42:00 12-18-91 29210 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GIOVANNI IDEA
WOW! BIRO! You outdid yourself with that one! It is GREAT! And if
you got electronic talent you could take apart a ball point pen and sub
in a red LED and a battery and people would think it was one of those
$500 laser pointers and you could use it to "play" the music - get your
timing right and you could even run it across the disk and hear
snatches of music! (or you record the sound of a phono needle being run
across a record).
FUN STUFF, BIRO!!!
Msg #29268 Dated 23:48:50 12-18-91 29264 <--> 29295
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I would also like to comment about the blindfold bit and P&T; again,
they may know how it could be done, but unless you are using a gaffed
blindfold this is the kind of effect where you can't be exposed --
i.e., caught in fraud. They may THINK you peek down your nose -- they
may be able to do the exact same things that way -- but that doesn't
mean that YOU did it that way.
What I am trying to do here is draw a very clear distinction between
alternate explanations of a paranormal occurrence, and someone getting
caught with evidence of chicanery right there. In my judgement, that
has not happened to Geller -- and if that film is so convincing, why
hasn't Randi shown it on TV?
Msg #29270 Dated 23:55:04 12-18-91 29231 <--> 29273
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PARTY AT BOBBY MCGEE'S
ARGH! (tm - Biro) - My calendar got buried under a mound of stuff
(seriously!) and I blew it! Glad it was good party - sure wish I'd
been there!!!
Msg #29272 Dated 23:56:02 12-18-91 29261 <--> 29275
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Thank you, David. After tomorrow's mail, I will assault the office
with a flurry of calls. With each call I will inquire, in different
voices, as to whether or not "David Lichtman" is there. I'll do this
for a few hours. Then, I'll do my riveting, right-on David Lichtman
impersonation, and call up and say, "Hi, this is David. Are there
any messages for me?" Is this joke old enough for you, or do I have
to go listen to my Henny Youngman cassette?
Msg #29273 Dated 23:58:41 12-18-91 29231 <--> 29309
From: EVAN KATZ
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PARTY AT BOBBY MCGEE'S
Sorry, Stan, would have loved to have been there.
Msg #29274 Dated 0:00:01 12-19-91 29169 <--> 29276
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Simple; if they take my advice and remove the offending material they
are serious artists who are moving forward -- if they don't do what I
say they're shmucks. ;-)
Msg #29275 Dated 0:01:39 12-19-91 29272 <--> 29364
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Geez, Evan! If I'd known you were gonna do that good a publicity job
for me, I would have given you the phone numbers days ago! And to
think I've been payin' guys to do that kinda stuff for me!
Listen, would you do me a really big personal favor? There's a guy I'm
trying to impress and I'd appreciate it if you'd do that stunt on him.
His number is 011-7-095-366-5209. Thanks.
Msg #29276 Dated 0:08:09 12-19-91 29274 <--> 29371
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Gawd, T A! You are beginning to sound like a bureaucrat at the N.E.A.!
Msg #29279 Dated 0:30:35 12-19-91 29251 <--> 29289
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Not a white Christmas so far but was cold tonight. It was birch
wood wasn't it??
Msg #29281 Dated 0:30:43 12-19-91
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: LABELPRO
Thanks for the info on the Avery label program. Just got it and I LIKE
IT. Good recommend.
Msg #29284 Dated 0:39:31 12-19-91 29240 <--> 29285
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Both are available at Hollywood Magic.
Msg #29285 Dated 0:40:16 12-19-91 29241 <--> 29296
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Again I stress be careful! What is your application? From there you
can get an idea where to look. I have several "buds" in the F/X biz.
Let me know what you need and maybe I can help. I think it better to
have a pro do it than risk injury. No effect is worth that.
Msg #29287 Dated 0:51:22 12-19-91 -> 29395
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: COVOX
Does anyone have the MS-DOS version of the Covox Speech Thing? If so,
please let me know!
Msg #29289 Dated 1:39:01 12-19-91 29219 <--> 29293
From: MAX MAVEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
It's worth mentioning that the origin of David Britland's "Parallax" is
not either Walton's "Card Warp" or _its_ precursor Busby's "Into the
Fourth Dimension." Rather, the Britland effect was inspired by Terri
Rogers' "Stargate" which in turn was derived from Robert Neale's
"Trapdoor Card."
Msg #29290 Dated 1:44:43 12-19-91 29213 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: MAGIC UNDER THE BUSHES
I remembered what it meant... but now I forget!
Msg #29291 Dated 1:44:47 12-19-91 29215 <--> 29517
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ULTIMATE TV
You might be right... but for the "lesser knowns" being in a Diet
Coke commecial would be the ULTIMATE REWARD.
Msg #29292 Dated 1:44:51 12-19-91 29216 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: M A G I C
Just don't want MAGIC! to ever be PowerLESS.... ;+)
Msg #29293 Dated 1:44:54 12-19-91 29219 <--> 29313
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Terri Rogers is one great thinker... and her "dirty" Vent act (in
London stag shows) is a MUST FOR THE SERIOUS SHOW WATCHER. The
night Jay Marshall and I went with her to a STAG... and the dummy
starting razzing Jay, with the F word, etc. I nearly wet my pants
laffin' so hard....
Msg #29294 Dated 1:45:00 12-19-91 29234 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LUNCH
I could have flown in from N. Calif... cheaper!
Msg #29295 Dated 1:45:04 12-19-91 29237 <--> 29299
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I hate to say this... don't take any of it personal... but who
cares what Randi or Geller say about one another? So one guy says
the other guy is HORSE DOO DOO... screw 'em both. Sorry!
Msg #29296 Dated 1:45:09 12-19-91 29238 <--> 29459
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Nitrous Oxide... that'll get you home ahead of the commute traffic.
Msg #29297 Dated 1:45:12 12-19-91 29249 <--> 29315
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
A friend of mine used to brag to the other little dudes that his
Dad could take any pain... so one day he said, "Watch this... with
no reaction..." Wammo... he stuck an Ice Pick into the old man's
leg.... The Dad said, calmly, "will you quit fooling around"...
needless to say the other kids flew out the door in a flash!
Little did they know the man had a wooden leg.
.
An H. Allen Smith story relates about an acquaintance with a glass
eye that liked to scratch it with a fork during a dinner with
"new folks" in attendance!
.
Are we sick, or what?
Msg #29299 Dated 1:45:29 12-19-91 29263 <--> 29318
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You know I can't spell... why should I start being accurate now?
Argh.... tanks....
Msg #29301 Dated 5:22:50 12-19-91 29205 <--> 29302
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Thanks very much Mike...Showtimes will be now at 7pm and 9pm,
dark Monday. By the way, I am looking for acts....must be
funny, or unusual variety acts....Send tape or infor to
Geno Munari - POB 98177, Las Vegas NV 89193.FAX 702-871-6161.
Msg #29302 Dated 5:23:00 12-19-91 29207 <--> 29303
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
I thought you could do your Karate Card Trick....then your Uri
Geller method of un-bending and removing the nail.
Msg #29303 Dated 5:23:07 12-19-91 29211 <--> 29305
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Thanks so much.........looking forward to seeing you here.
Msg #29304 Dated 5:23:20 12-19-91 -> 29323
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Attention all magicians and variety acts......I am looking for funny,
regular and all sorts of magic acts, unusual acts....you name it. We
have a 85 seat parlor style theater....opens Dec. 26......
Fax info to Geno Munari - (702) 871-6161, or send to POB 98177, Las
Vegas, NV 89193.......This is your chance!
Msg #29305 Dated 5:36:25 12-19-91 29243 <--> 29306
From: GENO MUNARI
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
All members of magic are welcome.....just give me a call.
(702) 876-8409.....
Msg #29306 Dated 5:36:32 12-19-91 29254 <--> 29308
From: GENO MUNARI
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
I haven't heard if he will be puttingit in Las Vegas, but you
coul not find a better place. He has a residence here and I have
heard through Gary Darwin that there is a good chance for it
to happen. One good thing about Las Vegas, the 20 million tourists
come here each year.....so the market is good.......people want
to be entertained.......
Msg #29308 Dated 5:36:53 12-19-91 29260 <--> 29311
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
David - thanks again for your comments. Here is the latest
The Magic Parlor
two shows - 7pm and 9pm dark Mondays
Opens Dec. 26th - $6.95 per person includes one drink. In Jan.,
around the 15th, we will start an afternoon (3pm) matinee.
WE will also offer a dinner and show. Price to TBA.
Msg #29309 Dated 5:37:05 12-19-91 29231 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: PARTY AT BOBBY MCGEE'S
I was there in spirit, via Uri Geller, but no gaff used.
Msg #29311 Dated 8:12:53 12-19-91 29301 <--> 29321
From: MIKE KING
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Should have a tape together early next year. Will get it to ya then.
Am also having a premiere next year. You, of course, will be on the
guest list.
Msg #29313 Dated 9:19:34 12-19-91 29289 <--> 29314
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
You're right. I've been crediting Terri Rogers' but forgot about
Britland. I've tried to find a copy of "Trapdoor Card" but so far
have been unsuccessful. The effect is brilliant though and I've had
much fun with it. Thanks for reminding me!!
Msg #29314 Dated 9:19:40 12-19-91 29293 <--> 29326
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
I'd like to have seen Jay's face when Terri's dummy started
giving him the business. Must of been a laff riot.
Msg #29315 Dated 9:19:43 12-19-91 29297 <--> 29319
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Oh no. I'm sorry you got me going with the glass eye biz, but at
one time, there was this guitar player on the bus with a glass eye
and he lost it in a poker game to the drummer. After about an
hour, Mike (the drummer) went into the back of the buss and dropped
his slacks and placed Henry's glass eye in the appropriate "red eye"
spot and stood behind the door bent over "red eye" facing out.
Somebody told Henry to open the door and WHAM, it hit him where his
eye was. Guess you'd of had to of been there and know what it's like
to spend 325 days a year on a tour coach. Henry left the show after
that. He and Mike never saw eye to eye following the poker game.
Msg #29318 Dated 9:39:46 12-19-91 29299 <--> 29330
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Its OK, Pete, just as long as you also remember to misspell
"Palistinian."
Msg #29319 Dated 9:42:37 12-19-91 29297 <--> 29328
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
H. Allen Smith! One of my all time favorite authors! "Life In A Putty
Knife Factory," "The Complete Practical Joker," etc. Wunnerful stuff!
Msg #29321 Dated 9:48:05 12-19-91 29308 <--> 29322
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Maybe we figure a way to hit the Magic Parlor during DMS. Don't think
I'm gonna be in Veglas earlier than that. Decided not to do CES this
year.
It sounds like it is gonna be GREAT!
Msg #29322 Dated 10:27:12 12-19-91 29302 <--> 29324
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
I blew it... had the nail in backwards and performed a Self Lobotomy
last night.... hgraargh.........
Msg #29323 Dated 10:27:17 12-19-91 29304 <--> 30879
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Soooooooo you got a FAX..... will sent my act to you on it.
Msg #29324 Dated 10:27:20 12-19-91 29306 <--> 29339
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
There was a Slot Museum near or in the Stardust. Is it still there?
Got a letter from a guy that is holding a casino antiques auction
later in 1992 and wants anyone wishing to sell on consignment to
send him information. Interested? Or do you want to be a buyer?
Msg #29326 Dated 10:27:36 12-19-91 29313 <--> 29327
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Hwcum you never did the trick for me? Now you gots me curious... if
it is THAT GOOD.... Oh, I get it... you want to keep it fo' yo' se'f.
Thass arite...
Msg #29327 Dated 10:27:41 12-19-91 29314 <--> 29345
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
I laughed so hard the TEARS ran down MY LEG!
Msg #29328 Dated 10:27:44 12-19-91 29315 <--> 29331
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
That was the Ultimate "Here's Lookin' Atcha, Dude..." Har...
Msg #29330 Dated 10:28:04 12-19-91 29318 <--> 29341
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Palace whonian?
.
How do you spell RELEEF?
.
How do you spell Soviet Union?
.
B R O K E
Msg #29331 Dated 10:28:13 12-19-91 29319 <--> 29340
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
YOU RAT... You reminded me he wrote books. Now will have to check
the SMITH shelves ... drat ... Well, its close to Severn, another
friend I have Re-discovered and now wanta get all his books. ARgh..
.. is there no rest for collectors?
Msg #29333 Dated 10:35:55 12-19-91 -> 29343
From: MARVIN STERN
To: ALL
Re: WHAT?
Here is a quote from Reel West Magazine:
".......is directing a 90 minute story about
lust, greed, magic and revenge for ........."
As Pete would say "no kidding".
Msg #29334 Dated 10:51:23 12-19-91 -> 29355
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS
Some of the guys I've seen do the bill switch so perfectly it looks
like real magic. However, most make it look a little movey. I suppose
it's like anything; done in the right hands, etc.
Msg #29335 Dated 10:52:51 12-19-91 -> 29336
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FFFF
Here I thought I had a scoop for him. Boy Obie sure does get around.
Msg #29336 Dated 10:53:34 12-19-91 -> 29348
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FFFF
I've never been to the Brewery Pub.. It's pretty far from where I live,
but I'll probably get out there one of these days. The manager is a
magician friend of mine. I hear it's a pretty big place.
I too missed cemk. I guess Ray went up for a day.
Happy Holidays to you as well
Msg #29339 Dated 11:44:11 12-19-91 29322 <--> 29356
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
RE: Self Lobotomy
You probably didn't harm anything important. As to the appearance,
stick a ruby in the hole and start using a swami gimmick.
Msg #29340 Dated 11:47:36 12-19-91 29331 <--> 29346
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Collecting is an _add_diction.
Msg #29341 Dated 11:49:46 12-19-91 29330 <--> 29350
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Is OK about Soviet Union, Tvarish (Comrade). Is same at General
Motors. Maybe they should get together?
Msg #29343 Dated 11:53:40 12-19-91 29333 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: WHAT?
Interesting that they departed from alphabeical order only to highlight
"Lust."
Msg #29345 Dated 14:19:27 12-19-91 29326 <--> 29359
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
I just haven't been in a trick mode for a while as have been doing
other magic stuff like stage mgr, making tables, promoting Music
City Conclave. Was at a close up jam session the other night and
pulled PARALLAX outa the hat to show the "boys". Will lay it on
you when you get here on the 8th. Don't ferget to let me know the
flight info so I can have Bambi come pick you up.
Msg #29346 Dated 14:19:34 12-19-91 29328 <--> 29391
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
That's funny. A True Story!!!
Msg #29348 Dated 14:19:41 12-19-91 29336 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: FFFF
Thanks Harrison. Trust we will have some laffs at FFFF the coming
year. yeah, Obie does get around!!!
Msg #29349 Dated 17:15:52 12-19-91 -> 29360
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: PALMTOPS
Geno -
Got your palmtop info in the mail - THANKS. Those two palmtops with
the BUILT IN CD-ROMS are MOST interesting! Guess we could do mods on
some of 'em and produce the ULTIMATE MAGIC!(tm) TOY - a palmtop with
built in modem and disguised as a deck of cards!
Msg #29350 Dated 17:18:52 12-19-91 29330 <--> 29351
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Hear this today on an Ikea ad:
"Your good taste more than compensates for your inability to spell."
Msg #29351 Dated 17:20:44 12-19-91 29350 <--> 29357
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: Good taste compensating for inability to spell.
Probably works OK for MAGIC!, but not for Wizards.
Msg #29353 Dated 17:22:16 12-19-91 -> 29472
From: DOUG SMITH
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Geno, any seats available for the 7:00 pm show on the 26th? If not
how about the rest of the week. We would enjoy seeing the show which
will be first of mucho many. would reserve three, otherwise how can we
reserve when we arrive on the 24th. thanks
Msg #29354 Dated 17:26:39 12-19-91 -> 29362
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: MENTALISM
With all the discussion on mentalism I have not seen recommendations
on either authors or books. We have the thirteen steps, any other good
ones. Thanks for any input.
Hope your day has a few smiles.
Msg #29355 Dated 18:04:57 12-19-91 29334 <--> 30244
From: PETE BIRO
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS
Sure there are some that can make it magical... but frankly, even
then IT JUST ISN'T MY CUP OF TEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Msg #29356 Dated 18:05:01 12-19-91 29339 <--> 29376
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Had to MOVE all my books, argh, etc, argh ad infinitum... over one
shelf and fill in with recent acquisitions... foooo... and ran
into SWAMI magazine. One routine, "eating glass" said, "You must
have good teeth, no gold crowns. Be free of gum disease and have
an excellent digestive system!"
.
whew... boy that lets out all the people I know...
.
Or as Ken Brooke used to say, "Steal that!"
Msg #29357 Dated 18:05:12 12-19-91 29341 <--> 29361
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
If Bushman doesn't see 70,000 autoworkers out of work as a problem,
he better go back to Kennibunkport and take a loooooooooooong nap!
Msg #29359 Dated 18:05:20 12-19-91 29345 <--> 29392
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
OK dude... I got the flight ticket somewhere will letcha know...
BIG NEWS at Goodyear a "different" guy is going to take over the off
road advertising Monday. I hope he don't kill the trip. I don't
think he will, as he is a cooler dude... an old pal that had been
off advertising rubber hoses and fan belts! He was (is) a sharper
guy and an old racer from earlier daze.
Msg #29360 Dated 18:05:27 12-19-91 29349 <--> 29381
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PALMTOPS
Only if it is the size of Playtime cards will it sell.
Msg #29361 Dated 18:05:30 12-19-91 29350 <--> 29372
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
What is an "Ikea ad:?
Msg #29362 Dated 18:05:34 12-19-91 29354 <--> 29366
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: MENTALISM
The most commercial books on mental magical effects are those of Al
Koran and I am sure the writings of one Maven, Max! The Koran
stuff is really practical and a must for ANY library. Not saying
Maven's isn't, but Koran's books are probably harder to get.
.
Larry Becker has a number of books out, I have not studied them.
And then there are Burling Hull's Encyclopedias of Mentlism (no idea
if they are rubish or gold)...
Msg #29364 Dated 19:25:03 12-19-91 29275 <--> 29382
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Ha!... Got M A G I C. All is well.
Msg #29366 Dated 20:06:48 12-19-91 29362 <--> 29373
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MENTALISM
Actually, the Koran books are far easier to find than mine.
Msg #29368 Dated 20:08:39 12-19-91 -> 29383
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: NEWS
Tony Andruzzi went into the hospital yesterday; prognosis is not at all
good.
"Hard Copy" will be doing a "scandal" piece on the break-up between
Rich Little and Melinda on tomorrow's show. In L.A. it airs at 7:30 PM
on channel 4. One of the promo pieces implies that the story will also
talk about Melinda's current magician beau...
Msg #29370 Dated 21:17:04 12-19-91 -> 29389
From: MIKE KING
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONY A.
Got your message on the BBS. You wouldn't happen to know which
hospital he is in. Any help you could give in locating it would be
greatly appreciated. MIKE.
]
Msg #29371 Dated 21:43:42 12-19-91 29169 <--> 29388
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
I'm having a problem with this discussion of offensive material.
I think I am fairly well read and in on what is offensive, but
some people are very sensitive these days. The whole PC
(Political Correct) notion brings up I feel an over sensitivity.
Some prefer "Native American" to "Indian". It is almost
impossible to refer to anyone without offending.
.
PS I work for a bank and go with a lawyer. How do you think we
feel about the anti lawyer and banker jokes? Some areas are fair
game I guess.
Msg #29372 Dated 21:43:57 12-19-91 29182 <--> 29377
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Max, I understand that Johnny Thompson studied under Uta Hagen. I
think he told me himself. Professional drama teachers can be
found anywhere, I'm sure. One should check their background well,
as I'm sure some are not as well qualified as others.
Msg #29373 Dated 21:44:06 12-19-91 29362 <--> 29396
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MENTALISM
Didn't know of Burling Hull Encyclopedia. However, Bob Nelson had
an enclycopedia plus many other writings. Everyone should look
up the Jinx and any of the Annemann books. Ned Rutledge had some
interesting effects and at least one book with J.G.Thompson.
.
Have always been a fan of mental magic, although never done much
professionaly.
.
Anyone should check one of the big dealer catalogs like Abbott's
or Hank Lee. They not only usually have a section on mental
tricks but consulting the book section will produce many of the
items available.
Msg #29376 Dated 22:46:37 12-19-91 29356 <--> 29461
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
RE: Eating Glass
Well, that description, "excellent digestive system," leaves me out.
Guess I won't try advertently eating glass.
Msg #29377 Dated 22:50:34 12-19-91 29357 <--> 29378
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: 70,000 autoworkers out of work.
Unless there is a magical solution to this problem, we really should
not continue it here, but you can't blame Bush for 40 years of
Democratic Congresses.
Msg #29378 Dated 22:51:55 12-19-91 29361 <--> 29394
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: Ikea ad.
You were supposed to appreciate the quote, "Your good taste more than
compensates for your inability to spell," and savor your moment, not
concern yourself with the company the ad was for! Ikea is some type of
gigantic home furnishings outfit.
Msg #29380 Dated 22:52:23 12-19-91 28572 <-
From: SCOTT MILLER
To: JIM HILLEBRECHT (X)
Re: CLUB INFO WANTED
Yeah you can contact Merlin's Mystical Emporium in Camarillo at (805)
388-7669 and they will give you the info for the local S.A.M.
Scott Miller
AKA Steelfyre the Enigmatist
Msg #29381 Dated 22:54:32 12-19-91 29360 <--> 29471
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PALMTOPS
RE: Palmtop computer disguised as deck of cards.
I haven't compared the unit with a deck of Playtime cards. But I did
see an interesting deck in a store yesterday - U.S.P.C. has issued a
deck of baseball playing cards - guess you can combine two hobbies that
way. Also guess you could do something interesting in a magic effect
with 'em. Maybe a card trick for sports nuts.
Msg #29382 Dated 22:56:35 12-19-91 29364 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: I'LL GET YOU FOR THIS
Glad to hear that you finally got your copy of M A G I C. You might
want to dust it for postal employee's finger prints and see if you can
find the culprit. I'll bet Stan Lake is fingering our copies, each
month selecting a different MAGIC! member's subscription.
Msg #29383 Dated 23:00:11 12-19-91 29368 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: NEWS
Damn! Sorry to hear about Andruzzi.
Thanks for the "Hard Copy" info. Will try to catch the show.
Msg #29385 Dated 23:02:21 12-19-91 29114 <-
From: SCOTT MILLER
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: CARDS BY MARTIN
You can contact Neil Lester at 44533 N. Date Ave. Lancaster Ca. 93534
(805) 948-1315 CARDS BY MARTIN
SCOTT MILLER
AKA "!Steelfyre the Enigmatist"
Msg #29388 Dated 23:35:06 12-19-91 29371 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N.4
Cyrano: "...for I say these things lightly enough myself, about myself
-- but I allow none else to utter them."
Msg #29389 Dated 0:40:51 12-20-91 29370 <--> 29408
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: TONY A.
Sorry, I don't know. Try calling Magic, Inc.
Msg #29391 Dated 0:43:52 12-20-91 29315 <--> 29457
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Groan - 'never saw eye to eye' - that's very punny.
Msg #29392 Dated 0:43:54 12-20-91 29279 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Traditionally either willow or hazel, but I'm sure birch would be
just fine.
Msg #29394 Dated 0:44:02 12-20-91 29341 <--> 29397
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Sure why not - they could call Soviet Motors or maybe General Union.
.
They have a lot in common - large buracracies and no sense of what
the marketplace wants !
Msg #29395 Dated 0:44:05 12-20-91 29287 <--> 29402
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COVOX
I have the Covox Sound Master II on my machine. The Speech Thing is
a subset of the Sound Master II - what do you need ?
Msg #29396 Dated 0:44:08 12-20-91 29362 <--> 29462
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: MENTALISM
Anything by Maven. I asked the same question a while back and Max
recommended Anneman. I also like some of Becker's stuff. Like most
things in magic (mentalism) you have to plow thru lots of crap to
find the gems.
Msg #29397 Dated 0:43:59 12-20-91 29377 <--> 29400
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
No, just for 11 years of Republican administration.
Msg #29400 Dated 1:03:26 12-20-91 29394 <--> 29401
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Apparently, your description of the Soviet Union and General Motors may
be the best so far. My neighbor drives a Soviet car - his first and
only import.
Msg #29401 Dated 1:05:16 12-20-91 29397 <--> 29411
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
If Bush has been President for 11 years, I must be Rip Van Winkle. By
the way, my Republican National Committee membership card for 1992
arrived in the mail today.
Msg #29405 Dated 5:52:18 12-20-91 -> 29412
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BOOKS
Kevin, we don't have either of the books. Will put you down on our
want list program. uThanks.
Charlie
Msg #29408 Dated 7:21:41 12-20-91 29389 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONY A.
Thanks. I'll give Jay a call today. Tony is a very dear friend and a
great influence on me. I appreciate you letting everyone know.
Msg #29409 Dated 7:28:53 12-20-91
From: MIKE KING
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TONY A.
I called Magic, Inc. and found out that Tony is a Northwestern Hospital
in Chicago.
Msg #29411 Dated 9:03:27 12-20-91 29401 <--> 29416
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I hope you can SELL it for more than the cost of the paper it is
printed on! (Or is it a Gold Card?)
.
argh?
.
Hyo Hyo Hyo (Ho Ho Ho with a Yo!)
Msg #29412 Dated 9:03:35 12-20-91 29405 <--> 29431
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: BOOKS
Chuckie babe... am looking for books by the following: Bill Severn,
and Eric Lewis.... Whatchagot?
.
Also a "clean" first ed. of Hoyam (Mayoh spelt backward)
.
And a Hardcover "Nightmare Alley"
.
Not to mention a "Ponsin" by Sam Sharpe.
.
And 2 other Sharpe books, recent and I forget the titles, but
are published by, I think, Hades... I have "Hydraulic and Pneumatic"
but understand there are two others in the same set.
.
ANYTHING on Winston Freer? Desperately seeking his Maxam Ring
Illusion.
Msg #29416 Dated 10:39:26 12-20-91 29411 <--> 29426
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: RNC Card
This year's card is a sort of grey/silver color with an American flag
on it and my name embossed in gold.
Msg #29419 Dated 10:53:52 12-20-91 -> 29442
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
MAGIC!-NL Wed 18 Dec 91 02:00
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
As you may know, I always recommend the first and third Fitzkee
books in my lectures. These I find to be "must read" for every
magician. The second book I am not thrilled by at all to put it
mildly, but hey, you cannot have it all in life.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #29420 Dated 10:53:57 12-20-91 -> 29427
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
MAGIC!-NL Wed 18 Dec 91 02:45
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
What do you mean Pete, will you really break my arms, only
because I borrowed your lines for the bat trick?
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #29421 Dated 10:51:09 12-20-91 -> 29433
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORNIN'
Waylon doin' Luckenback, Texas on the stereo - guess it could be
Lebannon, Tenn. Maybe same difference?
Funny - I just got the CD and it ain't the same as the analog album.
They put stuff in different order, took OUT "Only Daddy That'll Walk
the Line," and "Ladies Love Outlaws." On a CD they got MORE time then
they got on an analog album, so why they do stuff like that? Same
picture on the cover, too.
Msg #29422 Dated 15:08:16 12-20-91 -> 29424
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: EMERGENCY POWER
DUE TO LOCAL WIND STORMS WE ARE OPERATING ON EMERGENCY STANDBY POWER.
WE WILL ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN OPERATIONS IN THIS MODE, IF NECESSARY,
UNTIL 4:00 P.M. PACIFIC TIME. IF EXTERNAL POWER IS NOT RESUMED BY THAT
TIME, WE WILL POWER DOWN MAGIC! UNTIL IT IS RESTORED.
Msg #29424 Dated 17:03:53 12-20-91 29422 <--> 29428
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: EMERGENCY POWER
We successfully returned to operations on normal power. Thanks for
your patience.
Msg #29425 Dated 17:34:01 12-20-91 -> 29449
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Ee;29399
OK, youse guys need to make some decisions here... AMTRAK goes
and comes when THEY WANT TO... it is therefore necessary to select
the times and dates... let me know what the consensus be !
Los Angeles to Las Vegas 11:50 am - 6:45 pm
Los Angeles to Salt Lake 11:50 am - 4:00 am (next day)
Salt Lake to Los Angeles 12:55 am - 3:00 pm
Salt Lake to Las Vegas 12:55 am - 4:00 am (next day)
Las Vegas to Los Angeles 8:05 am - 3:00 pm
.
Whew!
.
Fare? I can't find my note on that but think it was in the $180
round trip area (will look for it).
.
Just got a call and someone tipped me that TONITE on TV (on of the
"sensationalism" shows) will be a segment of why Melinda broke up
with Rich Little. Had something to do with films he wanted to do
of her...
.
THAT IS ALL I HEARD... NOT SURE IF I WILL BE HOME AND THE VCR
won't do it as you can't channel hop to find out what show it is.
.
Hope someone catches it and does a report.
.
E
bill wells
wichitaw
y
Ee;29399
William.... Joe just called and he knows you and I communicate a
lot more than he and you... and said "Bill owes me some tapes back".
.
But MO IMPOTANTO.... He wants you to call him and see if the Feb
14 weekend is OK BY YOU (I cannot make it the following weekend)
and HE IS LEANING toward Obie, but not decided for sure yet if he
needs to be there.... but yu needa call him and say OK on Feb. 14.
Msg #29426 Dated 17:34:37 12-20-91 29416 <--> 29441
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Who gives ONE PARTY the rights to use the National Flag? Cheesh...
Msg #29427 Dated 17:34:40 12-20-91 29420 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FAVORITE EFFECT
Of course!!!! Hope you have a happy Holiday Season... and I won't
break your arms... not yet!!!
Msg #29428 Dated 17:34:44 12-20-91 29422 <--> 29429
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EMERGENCY POWER
No wonder I couldn't get logged in all afternoon. What a deal....
windy city, eh....
.
Fri. 3 Jan, I go for a job interview (final shot) I got to become
employed again....
.
Just for your info (note: I have just had some $120 a bottle scotch)
I spent all morning... just for you.... trying to switch a bill
in a thumb tip... even running Klause video at SLO MO.... and after
five hours... found out that it is EASIER and more convincing to
do the same trick WITHOUT the thumb tip. I even worked with
three different tips, heated them in water to shape them to mhy
thumb... burned myself twice... and it is still better with one
less dumb item in hand! Sorry, dude... BUT I CHALLENGE YOU TO MAKE
THE SAME TEST.........
Msg #29429 Dated 17:35:00 12-20-91 29424 <--> 29447
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EMERGENCY POWER
I gave up and went to a party! ARgh.... Also will upload new info
on the choo choo train ride to SLC....
Msg #29431 Dated 18:14:44 12-20-91 29412 <--> 29446
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
T A Waters and I spoke at length about Winston Freer when I was last
in LA and he (T A) is quite knowledgable on the subject!! I too am
intereted in Winston Freer. He was featured on the cover of Rolling
Stone (kidding, it was Linking Ring - August in late 40s - I forget
what year).
Msg #29433 Dated 18:14:56 12-20-91 29421 <--> 29444
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORNIN'
My pal Richie Albright produced most of that album. Richie was my
(TC Roberts) producer too. Dunno why they scrimpt on tunes on CD.
Guess they are trying to squeeze blood outa a stone.
Msg #29438 Dated 22:03:48 12-20-91 -> 29451
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: TONY ANDRUZZI
Spoke with Tony on the phone today about Noon Chicago time, ten PST.
he sounded weak, but had an amazing amount of wit left to dish out. he
is truley an amazing man and a great magic mind. I would hope that all
out there would send positive energy his way. He needs it. He is at
the Northwestern Hospital in Chicago, Room 992, Bed #1. I am sure any
cards or flowers would be appreciated. Will try and talk with his son
Tom later this weekend, will update.
Msg #29441 Dated 23:11:57 12-20-91 29426 <--> 29443
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
While I can't speak for the entire Republican Party, I'm sure that we
would be delighted to have the other parties properly display the Flag
in a respectful manner. It is just when they burn it or wear it as
clothing that we get distressed. I mean, I've seen them lacy Flag
negligettes they sell - and while I do believe that both patriotism and
womanhood are concepts that strike deep into the heart of any Good
American - I can't see intertwining the two in quite that manner. You
know what I mean? I mean, I don't believe that Our First Lady, Mrs.
Betty Bush, wears them things.
Msg #29442 Dated 23:18:33 12-20-91 29419 <--> 29479
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
TO: Tommy Wonder, c/o MAGIC-NL, Netherlands
RE: Fitzkee Trilogy
I pretty much agree with you. I view Fitzkee #1 (Showmanship) as a
VERY IMPORTANT book. It is followed by Fitzkee #3 (Misdirection). As
to Fitzkee 2 (Trick Brain), it is, in some ways, weak by comparison.
But I still feel that it is a good analysis and that it can be a good
thought provoker. That particular book is boring reading, at best, but
it does make the point that some effects, regardless of the materials
or the presentation used, are really quite the same, and is, therefore,
in my mind, a good book for routining.
I'm told that top clothing stores used to try to have at least one
color blind person on staff, since being able to see color can distort
ones ability to perceive such things as brightness range. Fitzkee #2
has seemed to me to be a guide to the analagous situation in magic -
allowing one to strip away the tools and to see the similarity in
effects.
Msg #29443 Dated 23:28:54 12-20-91 29441 <--> 29445
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I kind of thought that freedom of expression was one of the things the
flag symbolized; I don't think that puts the flag above it.
Msg #29444 Dated 23:27:15 12-20-91 29433 <--> 29480
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MORNIN'
Somehow, I knew you'd be tied into the group that produced that album.
Was definitely into the country side of things today - during the short
time that we had power in the building, I was listenin' to Waylon (the
CD and the LP) and Tanya Tucker. Guess my roots are showin'. Sure
glad I started early, 'cause we lost the power at 11:30 a.m. and didn't
get it back until past 4 p.m.
Msg #29445 Dated 23:33:03 12-20-91 29401 <--> 29452
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
That is not, of course, what Max said; counting from 1980, I come up
with 11 years too -- but then, I never studied either new or Republican
math...
Msg #29446 Dated 23:34:04 12-20-91 29412 <--> 29482
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
Pete -- do be aware that there are two DIFFERENT hardcover editions of
Nightmare Alley which seem identical at a casual glance -- but one of
them is censored.
Msg #29447 Dated 23:31:13 12-20-91 29428 <--> 29483
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: EMERGENCY POWER
Yep, it was some day here! Wind was REALLY strong! Took out the power
at 11:30 a.m. I didn't have the UPS set up right, so, of course, it
didn't cut in. Then the MAGIC! generator refused to start. Tracked
that to a fuel line problem. Then noticed we were low on gas, so went
to get some, only to find that the filler line was leaking. Our
disaster plan was a disaster! I think I've learned a couple of things
from this experience!
When you say "job" I sure hope you mean client or contract! Would hate
to have to think of you wearin' that suit and tie all day. My project
is back on "hold" now until after the holidays. Next meeting to
attempt to get it going will be Jan. 7th. What is it Biro says? --
"ARGH!" (tm - Biro).
Hey! If a classy top of the line mage like you has already made the
test, why should an ignorant duffer like me attempt to duplicate it?
I've decided to do it a completely different (but not totally unknown)
way -- I'm gonna have a trapdoor put in my palm.
Msg #29449 Dated 23:44:11 12-20-91 29425 <--> 29464
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Got your AMTRACK schedule - let's see what the members think. The Los
Angeles to Las Vegas segment (11:50 a.m. to 6:45 p.m.) sounds pretty
good - there are buses from the S.F. Valley and a number of outlying
areas that would run at pretty good times and that would be a great
trip. Even the Veglas to SLC portion (11:50 a.m. to 4 a.m. the next
day) doesn't sound bad (don't know what Nathan will think of that one
though!) and except for the weird start time, the SLC to L.A. is also
pretty good. Lots we could do along the way and I think we would have
a lot of fun - but let's see what the others have to say.
THANKS to you and Kevin Curtin for getting the work on this rolling!
Don't think MAGIC! can fill a whole private car, but maybe with some PR
at the Castle, IBM, and SAM we could do it. Now we gotta book the
in-transit entertainment and lectures.
Msg #29451 Dated 23:55:15 12-20-91 29438 <--> 29477
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: TONY ANDRUZZI
Mike -
THANK YOU for the update on Tony Andruzzi. REALLY appreciate it and
hope that you will continue to keep us informed. When you talk with
either Tony or his family again, please tell him that all the folks on
MAGIC! are sending positive energy his way.
Msg #29452 Dated 23:59:02 12-20-91 29443 <--> 29453
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
There are all sorts of reasonable (and a few unreasonable) limits
placed on freedom of expression in any society. Personally, I think
that if you want to burn a flag, you should do it in the privacy of
your own home.
Msg #29453 Dated 0:00:27 12-21-91 29445 <--> 29458
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
As I recall, in my message (#29377), I wrote, "You can't blame Bush for
40 years of Democratic Congresses."
In message #29397, Mr. Maven replied, "No, just for 11 years of
Republican administration."
Still seems to me that you are the folks with the odd mathematics and
views of governmental functioning. But, unless we are planning to
discuss Mr. Bush's magic act (and I'm certain that you know that he is,
indeed, an amateur magician) or unless you are planning to incorporate
these numbers into a magical effect (a feat not at all beyond the realm
of possibility for either you or Max) then perhaps we should discuss
them in another arena.
Msg #29455 Dated 0:29:49 12-21-91 -> 30356
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NEW MONTHLY COLUMN!
David C. Muravez has taken on a bold and clever task - he has decided
to create a "monthly column" here on MAGIC! (Historically, this is our
second such column - Pete Biro started the first one when MAGIC! was
just beginning - he discontinued it when h decided that it was more fun
to issue a daily column in the form of thousands of messages). David's
first column, in the Files Area as ALPHA-1.TXT, provides his review of
David Copperfield's show at the Wiltern and an interesting effect.
Naturally, since this is not a refereed or edited column, we do need to
state the disclaimer that all views expressed are soley those of Mr.
Muravez and not those of ECANET(tm) or MAGIC!(tm) or the Sysop and that
no endorsement of his views is expressed or implied.
But, this could get interesting! Check it out! In the Files Area -
ALPHA-1.TXT!
Msg #29457 Dated 1:03:16 12-21-91 29249 <--> 29463
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
David,
In other words, she was disappointed to find out her father was
smart, not tough.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29458 Dated 1:03:21 12-21-91 29264 <--> 29460
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
T.A.,
I haven't even seen the film normally. All I did was repeat what
Randi said when I asked him about Geller getting caught.
Any idea where I could get a copy.
Randi's statement makes me wonder if the sleight came up and he
said "okay, now watch this right here" or if people just
naturally saw a give away.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29459 Dated 1:03:28 12-21-91 29285 <--> 29514
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Mike,
I ordered and received the books. Thanks very much. I've not
found a recipe for flash paper in DRUG STORE MAGIC but it seems
well worth the purchase anyway.
Thanks again.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29460 Dated 1:03:33 12-21-91 29295 <--> 29467
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
This is my attempt to drag you kicking and screaming into the
coversation.
On a purely personal level, you are right. So these two want to
spend a major portion of their lives calling each other names.
So what?
On the other hand, what they are doing is setting a precedent on
how one is able to take advantage of the public, and how far one
can go to stop him.
If it were simply a matter of name calling, and law suits, well,
I could think of few things less interesting. The subject matter
is what makes the difference.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29461 Dated 1:03:41 12-21-91 29301 <--> 29469
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Geno,
What kind of material do you want? Adult? Family? Somewhere in
between? How long an act do you want?
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29462 Dated 1:03:47 12-21-91 29366 <--> 29466
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MENTALISM
Max,
So how does one go about finding your books?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29463 Dated 1:16:05 12-21-91 29457 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SIDEBAR
Hmmm... "Smart, not tough." Will suggest that to her!
Msg #29464 Dated 1:18:22 12-21-91 29425 <--> 29474
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
There certainly was some "sensationalism" tonite! Thanks to MAX's tip
here on MAGIC!, I tuned in "HARD COPY." Yep, Melinda and Rich Little
were the "top story." And, yep, there was some sex and videotape
involved - Melinda says one day she came across a video labled "Lust
for Life" in R.L.'s collection. Thinking it would be interesting, she
popped it into the VCR and was suddenly confronted by views of her and
R.L. making love! She says that he apparently had a video camera
hidden in a closet in the bedroom! (Hmmm... wonder if she read the
great video debate here on MAGIC!?). R.L. says that the tape was made
_with_ her full knowledge and consent! And that her talking about it,
and what went on in their bedroom, is undignified.
There were some great shots of her show and, frankly, I don't think the
scandal, as it was presented on this program, hurt her or her career
one bit.
Msg #29466 Dated 1:28:50 12-21-91 29462 <--> 29490
From: MAX MAVEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MENTALISM
The ones that are still in print are carried by most major dealers. The
ones that are out of print occasionally turn up on used book lists.
Msg #29467 Dated 1:30:26 12-21-91 29453 <--> 29478
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I find it surprising that you apparently don't remember that George
Bush was part of the Reagan administration for eight years prior to the
three thus far under his own presidency. That adds up to eleven years
of Republican administration with Bush's direct involvement, hence his
responsibility.
It seems to me that there's no point in burning a flag in private.
Msg #29469 Dated 7:04:07 12-21-91 29311 <--> 29475
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Looking forward to getting it Mike, and can't wait to go.
Msg #29470 Dated 7:04:13 12-21-91
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ER
Re: LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE IT
S
Er;29344
Yes, still going. Which;Game or Presto.
Msg #29471 Dated 7:04:22 12-21-91 29349 <--> 29509
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PALMTOPS
Great, and hope you enjoy it. Please fax the Pyxis info to
Dave Vanranken....And please stop by the MAgic Parlor.
Msg #29472 Dated 7:04:29 12-21-91 29353 <-
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Looking forward in seeing you here.
Msg #29473 Dated 7:04:34 12-21-91 -> 29493
From: GENO MUNARI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOBOTOMY
Better than a bottle-in-front-of-me.
Msg #29474 Dated 7:22:47 12-21-91 29449 <--> 29484
From: GENO MUNARI
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
I will go, so count me in, I mean on!
Msg #29475 Dated 7:22:53 12-21-91 29461 <--> 29494
From: GENO MUNARI
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
I will consider any good, professional acts, even soom different
variety acts, other than magic. 15 to 30 minutes.
Msg #29477 Dated 8:45:56 12-21-91 29438 <--> 29513
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: TONY ANDRUZZI
Thanks for the report... somehow I missed the original message.
What happened to Tony?
Msg #29478 Dated 8:46:01 12-21-91 29441 <--> 29481
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You don't think she does? Where do you think she got the name...
er, better be careful this is read by kids.... tsk.... ;+)
Msg #29479 Dated 8:46:05 12-21-91 29442 <--> 29510
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Last time I looked at the Fitzkee books I was about 15 years old
and probably had no idea what he was talking about. Guess I will
have to drag 'em out and study again...
.
FYI when he sold his Library to Lloyd Jones, Lloyd called me over
and said "I have all the books already, so whatever you want you
have the first shot..."
.
I got a set of MINT Goldston Locked books for $150 (all four books,
one not locked but in same series)... and hate to tell you what
else I got.... was a break beyond breaks for someone building
a library with no budget!
Msg #29480 Dated 8:46:18 12-21-91 29444 <--> 29511
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MORNIN'
You got to keep an extra set of batteries in a kitchen drawer, dude.
Msg #29481 Dated 8:46:21 12-21-91 29445 <--> 29485
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I agree, but will not carry the "math" line farther, don't want our
chief hacker to hack me out of existence.
Msg #29482 Dated 8:46:26 12-21-91 29446 <--> 29537
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BOOKS
You rotten dude... you tell me ONE is Censored, but not which one!
.
OK, well, guess being a true collector I need both, right? ARgh..
.
How do you (or someone else) tell 'em apart? I mean without reading
them in the store and deciding that they don't have a Geek in one?
Msg #29483 Dated 8:46:33 12-21-91 29447 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: EMERGENCY POWER
Whew... your message ran two pages (last line only ran over) and
for a microsecond I thought you were going to say "through a hole
in my head!"
Msg #29484 Dated 8:46:39 12-21-91 29449 <--> 29489
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Call Chuck Fayne, Mike Weber, Scott Cervine and Chris Hart and
see if they like train rides. Also Joan Lawton... and try Bill
Larsen... I wish I had the DBase of the registrants out of the
LA basin... (Basin, as in sink?)
Msg #29485 Dated 8:46:45 12-21-91 29453 <--> 29488
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Another ARENA? Lookout... George Forman'l eat you alive.... ;+)
Msg #29488 Dated 8:47:09 12-21-91 29460 <--> 29491
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Sure the Randi vs. Geller is interesting to us, since One of them
is a magician. Altho escapology is a thin form of magic (to me)...
.
How about the JUICE MAN and guys like that selling "their" medicine
on TV... the gullible folks are the gullible folks and they, most
of the time, dive right in and get taken... because the alternative
is sitting around the house alone looking at four walls and/or
Vanna White clapping her hands like it is the first time she has
ever done so...
.
And reading Jeanne Dixon, et al, in the Star, etc...
.
How about the guys telling you that "even tho you are out of work,
don't have enough money to pay the rent, all you need to do is
apply for half a dozen credit cards, BUY MY PLAN, and in 30 days
you will OWN seven apartment buildings, a yacht and a boat slip
in Monte Carlo".... argh....
.
I am not saying Uri is one of those... but it goes back to the old
advice... "Let the Buyer Beware".... but nobody wants to ... they
ALL want it to be true....
.
Frankly, I don't know enough about what Geller is doing. Is he a
thief and a con man? Does he bilk the aged and unsuspecting? Or
does he just perform wonderfully and Randi doesn't like it because
Uri doesn't say "I have NO powers" ???
.
I did get a kick out of reading a couple of the books by Geller
and Randi... but that was all.... a few evening's entertainment.
.
When I saw Geller amaze a group of people with his key bending
I couldn't believe the effect he had on the assemblage.
.
I attributed 90-percent of it to his "animal magnetism"... his
"charm" his "aura"...
.
Just like i judge most magic acts, singers, you name 'em.... if
they GOT IT.... it doesn't matter what the tricks are.
.
Altho I think Michael Jackson has believed his PR and his latest
video (to me) sux. Proving, once again, he is just a real fallible
dude like any of us...
.
Stay tuned
Msg #29489 Dated 8:47:52 12-21-91 29464 <--> 29499
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
I didn't know what show it was, or what time/channel so missed it.
Darn... No, I don't think stuff like that hurts.
.
You should see the pic of a well-known femme mage in an old Playboy.
Didn't hurt no career there... Name withheld to protect... etc...
Msg #29490 Dated 8:47:59 12-21-91 29466 <--> 29498
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MENTALISM
Max Abrams lists a couple of your out of print tomes... at least
I think they are out of print... God, he even lists a complete file
of "Pete's Leaflet"... which even I don't have... guess I will
have to order to see what I said in those days...
.
Working on something amusing for you... will bring to Music City.
Msg #29491 Dated 8:48:06 12-21-91 29467 <--> 29495
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Unless the administration policies have caused you to live in a
building without heat!
.
We had to burn books to keep warm one winter!
Msg #29493 Dated 8:48:18 12-21-91 29473 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: LOBOTOMY
Who says its better? Argh... saw a killer computer last night.
Went to Xmas party of a publisher friend (publishes a rock n roll
mag, a car mag and a computer mag)... the Ed of the Computer mag
was sitting with her laptop... she didn't want to put it down...
was a NOT YET OUT model of a MAC... had a built in trackball right
on the keyboard, located in middle from side to side and with
your fingers on the home keys the thumb was in perfect position to
move the trackball.
.
The unit was about 7 lbs... and the SUPER VGA screen was a KILLER.
.
She said she doesn't want to send it back when she is done doing
her review of it....
Msg #29494 Dated 8:48:33 12-21-91 29475 <--> 29515
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Rats... I only have 14 minutes of A material....
Msg #29495 Dated 8:58:47 12-21-91 29467 <--> 29496
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I don't know why you fing it surprising. I've admitted to having a
terrible memory (I bought it used, from Ivan the Terrible).
Er, maybe I haven't admitted to having a terrible memory? I forget.
Msg #29496 Dated 9:02:25 12-21-91 29478 <--> 29497
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Well, there is a rumor that Betsy Ross made the first Flag out of her
old bedsheets, but I don't believe Mrs. Bush would do that. And, yeah,
I guess your right about the kids.
Msg #29497 Dated 9:39:05 12-21-91 29453 <--> 29500
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I guess you've hit it on the head with the economy and all by
pointing out the fact that BUSH is an AMATEUR magician. Maybe he's
spending too much time fooling around with CARD WARP and reading
back issues of NEW TOPS.
Msg #29498 Dated 9:39:11 12-21-91 29462 <--> 29567
From: TABBY CRABB
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MENTALISM
Hank Lee is always good for books by Mr. Goldstein and/or Max Maven.
Msg #29499 Dated 9:39:14 12-21-91 29464 <--> 29502
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
I would imagine that the publicity was engineered to help Melinda's
show which it will indeed accomplish. My favorite line from the
"Hard Copy" was ...."she's no Siegfried and Roy!" I watched it
wearing the MELINDA t-shirt that she gave the Goodyear crew last
time I was with Pete et al in LV.
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