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Msg #29500 Dated 9:39:20 12-21-91 -> 29501
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I guess that fits into the same catagory as "if a tree falls in
the forest".......solo flag burning, that is!
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Msg #29500 Dated 9:39:20 12-21-91 -> 29501
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I guess that fits into the same catagory as "if a tree falls in
the forest".......solo flag burning, that is!
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Msg #29500 Dated 9:39:20 12-21-91 -> 29501
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I guess that fits into the same catagory as "if a tree falls in
the forest".......solo flag burning, that is!
Msg #29501 Dated 9:39:24 12-21-91 -> 29507
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
It's true! Either you got it or you don't.
Msg #29502 Dated 9:51:04 12-21-91 -> 29503
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Hey, Geno, if you are comin' on the train, we probably got all the
entertainment we need!
Msg #29503 Dated 9:52:44 12-21-91 -> 29504
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Will work on recruiting for the Great MAGIC! In Training Caper.
Lecturers, performers, gotta get that dining car back...
Msg #29504 Dated 9:54:15 12-21-91 -> 29505
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
In all fairness, it was apparent that Melinda was hurt on a personal
level by all of this. My statement that it didn't hurt was restricted
to her career.
Msg #29505 Dated 9:55:44 12-21-91 -> 29568
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Darn! I forgot to wear my Melinda T-Shirt for the show! Maybe should
wear it today for Kid's Day at the Castle.
Msg #29507 Dated 10:04:55 12-21-91 -> 29520
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I really don't want to belabor this, but I think that we all know that
the economy is a complex situation and that blame for its current
condition really can't be assigned to the President alone. I would
like to think that Mr. Bush does get a few moments now and then to work
on things like Card Warp.
Msg #29509 Dated 10:11:04 12-21-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: PALMTOPS
OK, will arrange to faxe info to David VanVranken. We definitely plan
to visit the Magic Parlor as soon as we can!
Msg #29510 Dated 10:13:05 12-21-91 -> 29524
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
RE: Books you got from Lloyd Jones.
OK, go ahead, break my heart, tell me what they mystery book you got
(besides the Goldstons) was...
Msg #29511 Dated 10:14:05 12-21-91
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MORNIN'
RE: Our power outage and "You got to keep an extra set of batteries in
a kitchen drawer, dude."
To heck with the kitchen drawer, from now on, I'm keeping an extra set
of batteries in my own drawers!
Msg #29513 Dated 11:04:18 12-21-91 -> 29516
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TONY ANDRUZZI
Will do. Thank you.
Msg #29514 Dated 11:04:38 12-21-91 -> 29571
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Glad I could be of some help. PLEASE BR CAREFUL!
Msg #29515 Dated 11:05:10 12-21-91
From: MIKE KING
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
ASAP. Hope all goes well. If you need other help in staging, sets,
lights, etc. I have extensive experience in most areas. Please feel
free to call. Would love an excuse to head over Vegas way. MIKE.
Msg #29516 Dated 11:06:24 12-21-91
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TONY ANDRUZZI
Started out as bad cold anf just keep getting worse. Tony didn't go
into much detail. Justr that he felt like S**t and didn't think it
would be his best Christmas ever. As I find more out I will let all on
MAGIC know. MIKE.]
Msg #29517 Dated 11:42:26 12-21-91
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ULTIMATE TV
I know they do in print, Pete. I understand that most film companies do
not recognize the celebrity rule, since few actually file claims. I got
into trouble, myself, this past year on three projects we did for a
record company (the one that owns the company I work for in fact!).
I will be interested in how this is going to come out.
--Philip
Msg #29518 Dated 13:19:16 12-21-91 -> 29551
From: BARRY GITELSON
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC CASTLE PARTY
Aloha and a very merry holiday season to all. If anyone is attending
the party at the castle on the second of January I have a favor to ask.
Well its really not a favor....... you see, my partner here in Hawi
will be there and I would like you to play with his mind a bit. His
name is Arnie Rabin (Arneleo is his stage name) and his most "famous"
tricks here are "Dove on the cieling" and "Dove on Fan". t me know if
you will be there and I will fill in some more info. Thanks.
Msg #29519 Dated 14:07:30 12-21-91 -> 29526
From: DOC EASON
To: ALL
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
POWDER AND PACKED POWDER CONDITIONS. WE EXPECT THE ONSLAUGHT TO START
TODAY. MANY PEOPLE ARRIVING. SOON TO BE OVERRUN WITH TOURISTS. THE
TOWER HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING SO FAR THIS SEASON. ERIC MEAD CONTINUES TO
GROW INTO THE ROOM AND IS DOING A GREAT JOB. HE WILL BE FEATURED AT
THE MAGIFEST IN COLUMBUS IN JANUARY. LOTS OF FUN THIS YEAR, ERIC AND
I WORK TOGETHER ON FRIDAY NIGHTS PROVIDING DUBLE HEADER MAGIC AND LOTS
OF LAUGHS.
I THINK I HAVE TH EPROCEDURE DOWN SO FAR AS IT RELATES TO THE BULLETIN
BOARD. I NEED TO CHECK ON HOW TO GET BACK TO THE MAIN MENU AFTER I
HAVE BEEN READING MY MESSAGES. HELP! AND I AM NOT HANDICAPPED JUST CUZ
I OWN A MAC!I MAY NOT GET BACK ON THIS THING FOR A FEW DAYS SO HAPPY
HOLIDAYS TO ALL. DOC.
Msg #29520 Dated 16:12:09 12-21-91 -> 29521
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I use a "tribute to Betsy Ross" patter theme in my flag and egg
routine...
Msg #29521 Dated 16:12:13 12-21-91 -> 29522
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Or FUTURE ISSUES of OLD TOPS?
Msg #29522 Dated 16:12:16 12-21-91 29501 <--> 29523
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Yeh, I got it here somewhere, but I can't find it no mo...
Msg #29523 Dated 16:12:20 12-21-91 29507 <--> 29527
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
He just didn't go to Penny's soon enough... tho' Quail did his
best shopping at Toys R Us (Leno line)...
.
Funny, went to PRICE CLUB today... to buy a JUICE Machine (after
watching the "JUICE MAN" and Jack LaLanne doing thier "INFO-MERTIALS"
(As well as Ammar's) last night... figure maybe a Juice diet might
revive me... Juice Man wanted over 200 bucks for his unit... Jack
said, "3 Payments of about 60.00..." So, Price club... got a nice
one for about FIFTY BUCKS...
.
Somebody gots to pay for those INFOMERTIAL time slots!!! Wow....
.
Anyway my whole kitchen is carrot colored right now... har...
Doesn't quite taste as good as the 'SHILL' on the TV.... but I can
put sugar in it right? No....
.
Stay tuned
Msg #29524 Dated 16:12:37 12-21-91 29510 <--> 29533
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
A complete bound file of Sphinx... WHICH I GAVE TO RICKY JAY WHEN
I MOVED 'cause I didn't have shelf space (then)!!!!!! You want to
hear an ARGH????
.
There were others. But remember this was in 1960... or sooner?
Msg #29526 Dated 16:12:55 12-21-91 29519 <--> 29529
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
HOwdy doc... one suggestion... ALL CAPS IS HARD TO READ IN LONG
MESSAGES... see how easy this is on the eyes... Hope biz is good
and the tips are ENOURMOUS!
Msg #29527 Dated 16:13:00 12-21-91 -> 29528
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Reminds me of the old terrible line... about the Amateur Dr. that
wanted to be a professional magician. Does that make sense? I like
it.
Msg #29528 Dated 16:59:13 12-21-91 29507 <--> 29530
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I was just kidding around.
Msg #29529 Dated 16:59:16 12-21-91 29519 <--> 30149
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Doc,
Thanks for the card. Appreciates it very much. I thought the DOC
EASON issue of GENII turned out great. Cover looked good. Looks
like its gonna be 55 degrees here on Christmas day so the only
powder around here will be grandma's talc. Have a great HOLIDOC
and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
tabman
Msg #29530 Dated 16:59:23 12-21-91 29521 <--> 29531
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I rather liked the OLD TOPS witth the columns etc. from the old
timers, etc......
Msg #29531 Dated 16:59:27 12-21-91 29522 <--> 29532
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Richard Robinson called me today and is sending me one of those
Ireland 50cent droppers along with the original instructions. He
said to come up to his place in Woodstock and bring a truck as he
he cleaning out his magic basement. I'mm be back in a few daze.
Yowsuh!!!!
Msg #29532 Dated 16:59:33 12-21-91 29523 <--> 29535
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Carrott juice makes hair grow. Jest look at ME!
Msg #29533 Dated 16:59:37 12-21-91 29524 <--> 29555
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #29535 Dated 19:06:10 12-21-91 -> 29536
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
And then, pray, just whom are you expressing it to? You aren't
seriously proposing that freedom of speech is okay...as long as no one
hears you?
Msg #29536 Dated 19:07:50 12-21-91 -> 29538
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
It is, of course, your BBS -- not a public forum -- and given that, I
suppose you are entitled to have the last word; but we might then
wonder why you made the observation in the first place...
Msg #29537 Dated 19:09:56 12-21-91 -> 29547
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
The censored one is the Sun Dial Press edition; 1948 -- the Rinehart,
1946, is the uncensored one. As a sample, look at McGraw's dialogue on
the last page.
Msg #29538 Dated 19:16:14 12-21-91 -> 29539
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Don't worry about Jackson's "fallibility" -- record stores can't keep
the album in stock; it OPENED at number One.
Msg #29539 Dated 19:18:52 12-21-91 29507 <--> 29543
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
It really is amazing just how much damage one Demo president was able
to do in four years; it couldn't be helped by 19 years of Repubs...
Msg #29543 Dated 22:11:50 12-21-91 29530 <--> 29544
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Crandall's writing is MUST READING for anyone in magic. Period.
Abbott published a separate collection of his writings... and it
IS MISSING... there must be more books someplace... got to go thru
all the boxes again, then go up to Gualala and look around....
Too many books I know I had ain't to be seen here...
Msg #29544 Dated 22:11:57 12-21-91 29531 <--> 29545
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
GO FOR IT DUDE... GO... GO...
Msg #29545 Dated 22:12:00 12-21-91 29532 <--> 29548
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
And make lips orange? I put too much other stuff in... am sure
straight carrot juce is gooder...
.
The TV sales "cheap price" for the juicers was almost two hun...
I got mine at the Price Club for under $40.00 with tax!!! Yowsah...
Msg #29547 Dated 22:12:13 12-21-91 29537 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BOOKS
I would look, but I have neither (in hardback)... do have one in
paper back someplace... hmmmm
.
Thanks.
Msg #29548 Dated 22:12:18 12-21-91 29538 <--> 29552
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Just shows you what HYPE can do... no question the kid is goooood.
I don't happen to like his current video, thassall...
Msg #29551 Dated 23:08:03 12-21-91 29518 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE PARTY
Good to hear from you, Barry! I'm not planning on going to the Castle
Party on the 2nd, but perhaps someone else is.
Meanwhile - May you and yours have a wonderful New Year!
Msg #29552 Dated 23:10:19 12-21-91 29523 <--> 29553
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Well, see, if the carrot juice doesn't taste as good as claimed, it is
probably because you bought a CHEAP juice machine. Maybe the extra
bucks makes the juice taste better.
Msg #29553 Dated 23:11:34 12-21-91 29528 <--> 29557
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: Kidding around.
I was too!
Msg #29555 Dated 23:13:26 12-21-91 29524 <--> 29581
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
RE: Complete bound file of Sphinx
ARGH! (tm - Biro).
Msg #29557 Dated 23:24:25 12-21-91 29543 <--> 29558
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Most stuff published by Abbott's is probably still available. Seems
like I remember he used to publish (Crandall) some sort of
newsletter; a pink sheet or something like that. Just came upstairs
and got fax offen machine. Thanks for the proof read!!!
Msg #29558 Dated 23:24:30 12-21-91 29544 <--> 29559
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Thanks bro......
Msg #29559 Dated 23:24:33 12-21-91 29545 <--> 29560
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Straight carrott juice is pretty sweet, especially if you use
organic carrotts. Only suggestion with organic veggies is to wash
the dirt off first.
Msg #29560 Dated 23:24:38 12-21-91 29553 <--> 29561
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Well, I was thinking about ya'll this evening (I get retro this
time of year) and wishing we could all get together and have some
good Mex food and some laughs. Was a great b'day dinner in your
town last time. Hope the holidaze are going well for you guys,
especially little Nathan!!!
Msg #29561 Dated 23:42:54 12-21-91 29560 <--> 29562
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Funny! We WUZ at the Mex. resturant tonite! Hadn't planned it
originally, planned a different resturant, but they were closed. You
must be getting more and more psychic! Or maybe you got one o'
Burton's crystals in the house?
You have had a profound influence on Nathan. He talks about you all
the time. Today we took him to the Castle for "Kid's Day." But I'm
afraid he has too discriminating a palatte for that - when I asked him
what he liked best, he said, "the juggling!" (There was a Jr. Mage who
did a great juggling routine). He did spot Max's picture on the wall
of the Close-Up Gallery though, and he got all jazzed about that. I
interviewed him afterwards and plan to try to incorporate his review
into the one I plan to write.
Msg #29562 Dated 23:49:14 12-21-91 29535 <--> 29563
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Well, I am concerned about some of the ecological effects of public
Flag burning. Most of today's flags are 60% to 100% polyester and the
smoke from burning flags is toxic. Also, I think it has an effect on
the Ozone layer.
Msg #29563 Dated 23:50:46 12-21-91 29536 <--> 29569
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
My observation was made as a response to someone else's. Otherwise, I
would not have brought the matter up.
As a matter of policy, however, I try to separate my sysop duties from
my own personal opinions. I try to view my sysop role as more one of
coordination and management of the resource, not as one in which I
exercise undue control over opinion. I do, however, feel that our
stated topic is magic, not social policy. There are a great many
systems that are organized for discussion of social policy and I try,
sometimes in my own stumbling way, to keep this one closer to its
purpose.
Msg #29565 Dated 0:13:20 12-22-91 -> 29587
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: "KID'S DAY"
Today was "Kid's Day" at the Magic Castle. An annual day for the
children and grandchildren of members. So we bundled Nathan into the
car and went on down. I'm going to try to incorporate his review into
my own.
There were a lot of good people there who set out to provide the kids
with a good time - I think I heard that 52 members volunteered to
perform during the day. And there were some wonderful things going on!
One lady dressed up as Ariel, The Little Mermaid, and did hundreds of
balloon animals and figures throughout the day. Another did newspaper
trees - which brought back a ton of memories to me since they were one
of the first things I ever remember seeing a performer do and I
probably haven't thought about them for about 30-years.
Irma also was kind enough to perform for the kids (and their parents)
and was a big hit.
The shows apparently featured a lot of performers and since I didn't
see them all I can't comment on many of them. I'm sure that some were
very good. BUT some of the others were done by volunteers and I guess
there is no screening or audition procedure, so it was driven home to
me that BAD MAGIC IS FAR, FAR WORSE THAN NO MAGIC AT ALL. One guy had
to keep turning around to reload his pockets, he had to reset his
linking rings IN FRONT OF THE AUDIENCE, and, while it would seem almost
impossible to flash a small ball in a Chop Cup, he managed to do it!
I would have thought that it would have taken hours and hours of
practice to be THAT BAD.
In the Palace, in the show we saw, there were some very good people.
Billy McComb did a terrific job of blending attention to the child
audience with side comments to the adults. Petrick and Mia obviously
worked hard to do a special show for the children, and there was a Jr.
Mage who did some excellent juggling. Still, I noticed that most of
the performers had a difficult time building rapport with the children.
The children were attentive and respectful, but there was not the sort
of give and take that I would have expected.
Nathan rated the juggling as the best part of the day, giving second
place to Petrick's milk production. He liked Billy McComb, but he
found the card trick difficult to follow (a card to balloon) and didn't
like the loud noise the balloon made when it popped (I think this was
due to the PA system amplifying it). He enjoyed Ariel, the balloon she
made, and the newspaper tree. He did not have any flattering remarks
about the guy with the Chop Cup.
Msg #29566 Dated 1:11:31 12-22-91
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID C MURAVEZ (X)
Re: YOUR COLUMN
I've downloaded your "alpha" column, and feel a few comments are in
order. You credit David Copperfield for his "sheer ingenuity" with the
Orson Welles card trick. The ingenuity belongs to Welles and Richard
Himber. DC's contribution was in purchasing the film clip and having it
doctored so that Welles is heard talking to "Dave" rather than "Dick."
As for the "Interlude" illusion, you are incorrect when you state that
it is "by no means new." It _is_ new. It was not "rediscovered" by the
Pendragons; rather, it was devised by Jim Steinmeyer, who sold them the
rights to perform it, and subsequently sold the rights to Copperfield.
David's use of the illusion is strictly legitimate.
Msg #29567 Dated 2:08:12 12-22-91 -> 29570
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: MENTALISM
Max,
I was going through some old video tapes, and happened across
your performance for The International Magician's Awards.
Great seeing you. Maybe someday we can make it in person.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29568 Dated 2:08:17 12-22-91 -> 29589
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Pete,
Is it possible to get a list of registrants out of the L.A. area.
I would be happy to try to contact them.
Thanks.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29569 Dated 2:08:21 12-22-91 -> 29573
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Just about everyone is a "real, fallible" person like us.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29570 Dated 2:08:26 12-22-91 -> 29593
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MENTALISM
Tabby,
Thanks for the info. God, I've got a long way to go towards
building a library!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29571 Dated 2:08:30 12-22-91 29514 <--> 29574
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Mike,
I'm ALWAYS careful when dealing with fuming acids.
I have no wish to lose my other eye.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29573 Dated 8:19:05 12-22-91 29561 <--> 29575
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Actually there are seven of the Bizarre One's crystals in the
house right now so maybe that explains it.....the psychic stuff
anyhou. Yeah, Nathan is a good kid and very discriminating. Also
he has a good mind.
Msg #29574 Dated 9:40:27 12-22-91 29571 <--> 29606
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Had a god buddy blow off his hand in sixth grade making a bomb. Just
a bit edgy about anyone working with the "mean stuff". Good luck.
Shout if I can be of any more assistance. MIKE.
Msg #29575 Dated 10:01:40 12-22-91 29573 <--> 29578
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Yeah, seven of the Bizarre One's crystals would explain it. He's got
so many of 'em at his place, I'm surprised he needs a phone or a modem.
Msg #29578 Dated 10:07:10 12-22-91 29552 <--> 29579
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Gee Golly, I never thought of that... it also has a label on the
bottom "made in France".... I thought there was a bit of an accent
in the last jug o' juice ....
.
Harking back to another message... what makes you think all the
flag burners are a member of one particular political party? Hmmmm?
Msg #29579 Dated 10:07:18 12-22-91 29553 <--> 29582
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I wasn't kidding!
Msg #29581 Dated 10:07:25 12-22-91 29555 <--> 29599
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
You know how many books one can research with a file of Sphinx?
(please answer immediately to win the gallon of carrot juice)
Msg #29582 Dated 10:07:29 12-22-91 29557 <--> 29583
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
YO... Hey, wonder if Gordon Miller still works at Abbotts... great
guy.... Uh, Crandall did publish a sheet... I think I have or had
a file.... I do have some of his material, but again, I think there
is a box or two of books and stuff still up at Gualala...
Msg #29583 Dated 10:07:35 12-22-91 29559 <--> 29584
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Wash? Dirt? Duh, well OK.... but the TV guys said the mud is good.
They even say the wrappers are good... they say ALL IS GOOD...
they say 'BUY IT AND LIVE' don't BUY and you DIE....
.
How about the fat guy selling the health food? The guy on the
yacht with all the Playboy-type "chickees" falling over him...
I wonder if anybody makes any scratch off those deals other than
the guys "selling" the MEDICINE?
Msg #29584 Dated 10:07:45 12-22-91 29560 <--> 29585
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
At least I made Mexican food last night... Mike Caldwell's recipe...
Chicken El Ferrari... (that's a chicken that was run over by
a sports car... one of the first "road kill" recipes ever!)
.
Just found the original camera-ready artwork for the Fred Kaps
Lecture notes... (the ones I produced for him) and there is a
great handling of a linking ring with a silk in there....
Msg #29585 Dated 10:07:54 12-22-91 29561 <--> 29586
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You scared me for a minute... you said Max's pic was on a certain
wall... and I thought that was the wall of the dead... but the
Gallery is ok, whew....
.
Why do you think on any Convention evening show the Juggler (or
Roger Ray) STEALS THE SHOW???? Because they usually are better
entertainers than the magicians! That's why Avener, Air Jazz and
Les Bubb were the hits of Vodvil 2000 -- variety. Also, at a
convention if you have seen 43 straight magic acts, a variety act
comes as a refreshing break.
.
Someday, probably not in my lifetime, a Zombie routine will be a
novletly.
Msg #29586 Dated 10:08:08 12-22-91 29562 <--> 29592
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Exhaling is toxic, these days.
Msg #29587 Dated 10:08:12 12-22-91 29565 <--> 29600
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
What was the Chop Cup fumbler's name? Hey, he needs help... I hope
you pulled him aside and said "hey, partner... you need to tighten
up your skills on the.....
.
Since I have started to re-read Fitzkee... one of the major early
statements is that....
.
"Take the number of exhibitions of magic that are given throughout
the country in a single day. This means all of them--good, mediocre
and poor.f Fully seventy-five percent of the performance are poor
according to modern entertainment standards. Another twenty-four
percent are mediocre.
"The writer feels he is being conservative when he estimates that
not more than one percent... ... can be called smart and modern.
.
When ninety-nine percent of a product is poor or mediocre ALL of it
is classified that way. That's why every poorly prepared magical
performer HURTS THE ENTIRE FIELD."
.
There is more... read it.... (NO... do as Tommy Wonder says, STUDY
IT!)
.
Good New Year's Resolution. Try to make that ONE PERCENT!
Msg #29589 Dated 10:08:54 12-22-91 29568 <--> 29591
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Will see if the IBM will do a print out for us... Actually Bill
Wells -- who is online here about once a week, has access to the
list and Dbase, as his wife Becki is the registrar!!!
Msg #29590 Dated 10:08:59 12-22-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TRAIN
Ee;29568
Willyum.... can you send Kevin E Curtin a list (printout?) of the
IBMers registered on the Left Coast, Southern area? So he can call
and see if any want to take the train?
.
I know we want NEW REGISTRANTS... but if those already coming like
the idea of the train, they might prompt others to join as it is
less Money than flying.
Msg #29591 Dated 10:09:10 12-22-91 29568 <--> 29660
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Kevin, one thought... we are more interested in getting folks that
ARE NOT YET registered, but read my open message to Wells just
posted...
Msg #29592 Dated 10:09:15 12-22-91 29569 <--> 29594
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
No some are "FAKE FALLIBLE"...
Msg #29593 Dated 10:09:18 12-22-91 29570 <--> 29662
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MENTALISM
To build a library. First buy some clear 1x12 lumber....
Msg #29594 Dated 10:09:21 12-22-91 29573 <--> 29596
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
SEVEN CRYTALS.... oh, oh.... does the "secret seven" know about
this? You must be careful of their placement.
.
Those on the floor can cause you to fall at night...
Msg #29596 Dated 10:25:50 12-22-91 29578 <--> 29597
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
This morning we are making fresh orange juice from oranges from the
tree in the back yard. First of the season. Our little juice machine
is specific for citrus fruits - it won't do carrots. Wanna trade?
I'll faxe you some orange juice if you'll faxe me some carrot juice.
Msg #29597 Dated 10:27:43 12-22-91 29579 <--> 29598
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: "I wasn't kidding!"
We did once. Nathan is helping make breakfast this morning.
Msg #29598 Dated 10:30:56 12-22-91 29585 <--> 29607
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
If the jugglers, etc. are better entertainers than the magicians, then
why do we bother to hold magician's conventions? Why don't we just
close the field down and leave it to the collectors?
Msg #29599 Dated 10:33:12 12-22-91 29581 <--> 29608
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Well, let's see... There should have been about 51 volumes of Sphinx.
Msg #29600 Dated 10:34:05 12-22-91 29587 <--> 29613
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
No, I didn't get a chance to talk to the Chop Cup mage. Probably
should have, though.
As to studying the Fitzkee -- may I remind you that it was I who
started harping on you to study them! (Burt Carpenter got me started).
Msg #29606 Dated 12:55:54 12-22-91 29574 <--> 29616
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
My cousin and I fillled a gallon jug with petrol, taped on a cherry
bomb with a cigarette timer on the fuse, tied it to an inner
tube and set it adrift in a large lake. Fifteen minutes later there
was a most magnificant fireball and water fire. It's a wonder I
ain't dead!!!
Msg #29607 Dated 12:56:00 12-22-91 29575 <--> 29609
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
He doesn't need a phone or a modem.
Msg #29608 Dated 12:56:04 12-22-91 29581 <--> 29647
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
You can research all books published while the mighty Sphinx
ran. Anyone see Ed Alonzo on Comic Strip Live last night. He's
getting better.I liked the girl!
Msg #29609 Dated 12:56:08 12-22-91 29582 <--> 29610
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I discovered that I'm missing books too so they must be somewhere.
I had some boxes in the studio, maybe there.
Msg #29610 Dated 12:56:12 12-22-91 29583 <--> 29611
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Well, I'd think that the guy who sells the guy the tv footage
plus the stations probably make a few bux especially if they
do a split commission deal.
Msg #29611 Dated 12:56:17 12-22-91 29584 <--> 29612
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Carera ready art for the KAPS lecture notes. Woah dude. That is
COOOOOOL!
Msg #29612 Dated 12:56:21 12-22-91 29594 <--> 29617
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Burton The Bizarre has looked past the fakes and the flounders in
the "New Age" rackets and is doing some "real magic" with the
crystals. I like his style and enjoy working with him!! Wish he was
coming to Music City. There are some local guys who are boycotting
the Music City event. Pretty strange, huh???
Msg #29613 Dated 12:56:26 12-22-91 29600 <--> 29618
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
Remember, Fitzkee was a LAWYER. Me, I like lawyers, but you wuz
really hammering them a while back. Hahahahahahahah!!!
Msg #29615 Dated 13:08:04 12-22-91 -> 29620
From: DOC EASON
To: DAVID
Re: MISSING PART OF MESSAGE
One of the reasons I resist this technologically induced false urgency
Msg #29616 Dated 13:08:10 12-22-91 29606 <--> 29651
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Gee, I never tried a full gallon of petrol! We used to make our own
gunpowder and pack it into tubes. Would bury it in the Florida sand
and set it off with either cherry bombs or M-80's, depending on what we
had on hand. The nursing home next door didn't appreciate it.
Msg #29617 Dated 13:09:48 12-22-91 29607 <--> 29622
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Maybe Burton could bill himself as "The Man With The 9600 Baud Mind!"
(And just so I don't get stomped on by the techys, yes, it really is
9600 BPS, not Baud, but you have a degree of license with things like
this).
Msg #29618 Dated 13:13:40 12-22-91 29613 <--> 29648
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
Where'd you get that Fitzkee was a lawyer? I ain't heard that.
Msg #29620 Dated 13:20:18 12-22-91 29615 <--> 29653
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: MISSING PART OF MESSAGE
Hmmm... Still not quite working, Doc. This time all I got was "One
of the reasons I resist this technologically induced false urgency"
Also, this time it was a public message.
Msg #29621 Dated 17:18:27 12-22-91 -> 29628
From: MAX MAVEN
To: ALL
Re: BAD NEWS
Tony Andruzzi died last night.
Msg #29622 Dated 17:18:52 12-22-91 29582 <--> 29625
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Gordon Miller is still at Abbott's -- he edits New Tops.
The Crandall newsletter was called "Crandall Comments." They were done
during the last two years of his life, and if memory serves (my set is
tucked away) there were less then ten of them.
Msg #29623 Dated 17:20:36 12-22-91 -> 29629
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SYSOP
Re: P&T
As I know you enjoy keeping up with the career of Penn & Teller I
thought I'd mention that they were on Letterman this Friday, and are
also featured in two national magazines this month. Gee, it's a shame
they have no career...
Msg #29625 Dated 19:02:54 12-22-91 29538 <--> 29626
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
There's no accounting for taste or the buying public's method of
voting for no 1.
Msg #29626 Dated 19:02:57 12-22-91 29612 <--> 29645
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I wish I was coming to the MC bash as well, but I'm headed for
Steamboat to Ski so I'll have to miss it.
.
Are you serious about people BOYCOTTING the convention. What would
cause them to do that ?
.
With the line-up you have scheduled, they must be real jerks to miss
that for any reason. You don't need those kind of people in your
life. Boycott them !
.
P.S. did I tell you those were powerful crystals or what ?
Msg #29628 Dated 19:07:42 12-22-91 29621 <--> 29684
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Thank you for the information, sad as it is.
Msg #29629 Dated 19:09:24 12-22-91 29623 <--> 29655
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: P&T
My, but you are a fountain of sad news today, Max.
Msg #29636 Dated 20:46:39 12-22-91 -> 29767
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: ALL
Re: TONY ANDRUZZI
I for one am sorry to hear of Tony Andruzzi's passing. He, along with
Max, Eugene Burger and Doc Shiels has been a source of knowledge and
inspiration in my quest of bizarre magik. Although I met him only once
it will be a moment I will always remember. Luckily I have several of
his books, His writings in Invocation and New Invocation and a videop
tape he made several years ago. His tie pitch is one that I use quite
often. Good-bye Tony...and we'll see you in the beyond...
The Mournful Geekman...
Msg #29637 Dated 21:02:00 12-22-91 -> 29658
From: DOC EASON
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: THANKS
thx for the disk...I still have trouble figuring out the fine points of
this and I look forward to speaking directly with you...sterm looks
zterm looks to be better than ms works... thx too fr the note on the
disk...as xmas bears down like a big train i doubt that ill be back on
here real soon I am working every night but xm eve. but i wont be
computing that night...someassembleyrequired and all that you know. my
two sons are pretty excited.hope your holiday is bright and good HOW
bout them broncos!
Msg #29645 Dated 0:37:48 12-23-91 29596 <--> 29646
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
With or without the greens?
Msg #29646 Dated 0:37:51 12-23-91 29598 <--> 29649
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Sometimes it seems like that... but again, read the first five or
six pages of Showmanship for Magicians....
Msg #29647 Dated 0:37:55 12-23-91 29599 <--> 29671
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
At least 51 vols. Nicely bound they were! Wonder if Copperfield
now hazem?
Msg #29648 Dated 0:37:59 12-23-91 29600 <--> 29652
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
Coitanly I remember, dude... thanks a mucho... the ANNOTATED
FITZKEE would be a good book... I mean the songs he recommends
are older than dancing...
Msg #29649 Dated 0:38:04 12-23-91 29609 <--> 29650
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
They all migrated to missin' bookland...??
Msg #29650 Dated 0:38:07 12-23-91 29612 <--> 29654
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Their loss! As the Irish Woman sed... FIKEM...
Msg #29651 Dated 0:38:10 12-23-91 29616 <--> 29659
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
After attending munitions and booby trap school in the Army, I
had the entire area rigged with trip wires and flare bombs...
nobody snuck in the barracks without being "noticed" in my outfit.
Heheheheheh....
.
Nothing like a guy trying to tip toe across a parade ground at
night and a parachute flare bomb going off overhead.... eheheheheh
Msg #29652 Dated 0:38:19 12-23-91 29618 <--> 29673
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
Fitzkee (really "Fitzroy" was, indeed, a legal beagle)...
Msg #29653 Dated 0:38:22 12-23-91 29620 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MISSING PART OF MESSAGE
Hey it was easier to read than all CAPS... He's a gainin'
Msg #29654 Dated 0:38:25 12-23-91 29622 <--> 29656
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I think, in fact, Lloyd Jones published them, or at least a group
of Clarke's writings... I know I have them someplace around here.
.
Thanks for word on Gordon Miller... sorry to hear about Andruzzi
(Tom Palmer, right?) same person...?
Msg #29655 Dated 0:38:31 12-23-91 29623 <--> 29669
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: P&T
I saw their re-run of the Electric Chair routine... was great!
Msg #29656 Dated 0:38:34 12-23-91 29626 <--> 29663
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Friend of mine owns "Grubstake" restaurant in Steamboat... Jim
Ellis... if you go there say Howdy for me... great guy... ex
Continental pilot, auto racer, etc....
Msg #29658 Dated 0:38:44 12-23-91 29637 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: THANKS
When the Broncos and the NEW "Snake-powered" Raiders meet for the
title... may the best team win!
Msg #29659 Dated 0:40:35 12-23-91 29574 <--> 29664
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Mike,
Again, thanks. I'll let you know how it turns out. Who knows,
maybe I'll start offering custom flash paper.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29660 Dated 0:40:40 12-23-91 29589 <--> 29661
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Pete,
If we can get a mailing list together that would be GREAT!!!! To
everyone: Any suggestions, comments or referals would be
wonderful. I think it would be AWESOME to have a car of nothing
but magicians!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29661 Dated 0:40:45 12-23-91 29591 <--> 29692
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Pete,
Do you mean not yet registered with IBM?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29662 Dated 0:40:50 12-23-91 29593 <--> 29694
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MENTALISM
Pete,
If I could find clear 1X12s I would build an observatory. What I
should probably use is pine.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29663 Dated 0:40:55 12-23-91 29612 <--> 29667
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Tabby,
Why are local guys boycotting?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29664 Dated 0:40:59 12-23-91 29606 <--> 29675
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Tabby,
I used to do DUMB things when I was a kid. We used to fill small
containers with petrol, tie strings to them, and attach the
strings to large garbage bags. This in effect creates a hot air
balloon. Eventually something either melts or burns and drops
the petrol from a height of several hundred feet. WEEEEEEE fire
streaming across the sky.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29667 Dated 0:51:19 12-23-91 29645 <--> 29668
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I think I'd prefer my carrot juice without the greens. Did you want
your orange juice with or without greens?
Msg #29668 Dated 0:52:01 12-23-91 29646 <--> 29670
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: Me: "Why don't we just close down the field (magic) and leave it
to the collectors?"
U: "Sometimes it seems like that... but again, read the first five
or six pages of Showmanship for Magicians...."
You want the truth? I think that the magnetism, universal access to
electric power, stereo systems, faxe machines, the telephone, and the
computer chip have made it damn hard for magic to compete. We (magic)
used to be on the cutting edge, now we have to run hard just to keep
up. The secret is to think about what can still make magic.
Msg #29669 Dated 0:57:36 12-23-91 29655 <--> 29699
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: P&T
No, this was a new piece involving fish, rather than a rerun on cable.
Msg #29670 Dated 0:58:31 12-23-91 29668 <--> 29672
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I think your notion that magic must compete with technology is
misguided.
Msg #29671 Dated 0:58:16 12-23-91 29647 <--> 29701
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
RE: Sphinx bound volumes - "Wonder if Copperfield now hazem."
Funny! I was thinking the same thing today! I would certainly hope
that the Mullholland came with at least one bound set of Sphinx!
Msg #29672 Dated 0:59:20 12-23-91 29654 <--> 29682
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Crandall initially published them on his own; later in the run, Lloyd
took over publishing. After Crandall died, Lloyd sold the set as a
package.
Msg #29673 Dated 1:00:08 12-23-91 29648 <--> 29674
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
An Annotated, rather than updated, Fitzkee would be interesting! I
found I was able to pierce the antiquated references to keep to the
meat of the books, but it wouldn't hurt to have an annotated edition.
Might put the books into a few more folks hands, and that would
certainly be worth something!
Msg #29674 Dated 1:01:41 12-23-91 29652 <--> 29683
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
Funny, I had thought that Fitzkee/Fitzroy was an engineer, not a
lawyer.
Msg #29675 Dated 1:02:29 12-23-91 29651 <--> 29695
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Yeah, but you were trained to do munitions and booby traps! We just
used to make our own! In high school, I used to take a nicely charged
capacitor and tie it to the doorknob (with a metal plate under the door
providing the other side). THAT kept people out!
Msg #29678 Dated 1:52:28 12-23-91 -> 29689
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I would be most interested in knowing more about why you view my notion
that magic must compete with technology as misguided.
Msg #29679 Dated 6:02:13 12-23-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
Will look when I get a chance, but don't think we have any of them
except maybe some of the Severn titles. We did just get in a new
collection, haven't even had a chance to complete unpack it yet but it
does include an autographed copy of Downs' _Modern Coin Manipulation_
(I think Richard and I will be "fighting" over it!). Thanks.
Charlie
Msg #29680 Dated 6:04:21 12-23-91
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Oops, almost forgot.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Msg #29681 Dated 6:05:12 12-23-91 -> 29690
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS
I'm off to my parents house for the Holidays, so I want to wish
everyone a Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays.
Charlie
Msg #29682 Dated 8:22:23 12-23-91 29617 <--> 29685
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
The Baud with the Bizarre Mind!!
Msg #29683 Dated 8:22:27 12-23-91 29618 <--> 29703
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
I read a lot!
Msg #29684 Dated 8:22:30 12-23-91 29621 <--> 29715
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Peacefully, I hope.
Msg #29685 Dated 8:22:33 12-23-91 29626 <--> 29686
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Very powerful crystals, I'm excited. Re: the BOYCOTT, it is a
jealosy thing I guess. A number of the good guys are signed up
but there is a faction that has been calling us and saying. " who
does this tabman guy think he is coming in here and doing this
conclave?" Oh well, it is their loss, but the pettiness of it has
pissed me off and I'm trying to get over that part of it.
Msg #29686 Dated 8:22:40 12-23-91 29650 <--> 29687
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
My feeling exactly. I also heard they resent the 65 dollar ticket
price, like the talent lineup at the MCCMS works for free and has
wings and sleeps in the street. As far as I am concerned, they
will all be sorry when they hear about it later on from the ones
who came.
Msg #29687 Dated 8:22:47 12-23-91 29663 <--> 29688
From: TABBY CRABB
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
It isn't all the local guys, just the jealous faction who for
some strange reason don't want good things to come to their town.
I really don't understand it, but it exists. I guess it is the
reason a lot of guys don't get involved with the local magic scenes
where they live. I'm learning, but am committed to doing this
event now and in the future. In fact, I have already booked the
midnight lecture for 1993. 1992 is MAX MAVEN and 1993 is T.A.
WATERS. Yowsuh!! on both counts....
Msg #29688 Dated 8:22:55 12-23-91 29668 <--> 29691
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Just keep it entertaining!!!
Msg #29689 Dated 8:22:58 12-23-91 29678 <--> 29706
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Magic is foremost, entertainment.
Msg #29690 Dated 8:23:02 12-23-91 29681 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS
Thanks Charlie. merry Christmas to you 2 and HAPPY birthday
to MAX!!!
Msg #29691 Dated 8:41:53 12-23-91 29668 <--> 29697
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
David--
I think that it is the person that matters in magic. It is because
technology has such a grip on our lives that I think magic is
important: for me magic reminds me that there is something more,
something different than what technology can provide. I really like
what Eugene Burger says, "I like effects that seem *magical*" as
opposed to just being fast with your hands or clever.
In a routine I do I make a "voodoo" doll and bring it to "life". It
walks and moves, etc. While you could esily say "Well, it's a remote
controlled device" that never enters the mind of my audience--not with
the story _I'm_ telling them.
Msg #29692 Dated 9:20:53 12-23-91 29660 <--> 29693
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Could be boring too... after all, in that much time, how manhy
packet tricks can one pack?
Msg #29693 Dated 9:20:57 12-23-91 29661 <--> 30443
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
YEP... not yet signed to go to the Convention. If the lower price
(than flying) and the idea of a FUN TRIP intices one to go to the
convention... that is my goal.
.
Plus if its a Killer trip... the members of MAGIC! that go will
have had a chance to get to know one another in a different way...
not just words on a screen.
.
What we need is more people coming to Salt Lake City so I can afford
to hire more out of country acts...
Msg #29694 Dated 9:21:08 12-23-91 29662 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MENTALISM
To Observe the books by?
Msg #29695 Dated 9:21:12 12-23-91 29664 <--> 29705
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
I say, Kev, are you British? Or did you learn to call GARSOLEEN
Petrol somewhere else?
Msg #29697 Dated 9:21:20 12-23-91 29667 <--> 29698
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You can switch the greens with your thumb tip...
Msg #29698 Dated 9:21:23 12-23-91 29668 <--> 29700
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
The best magic trick I ever see... and I see it daily... is how
Soupy Sales can hop about in a room somewhere in another city and
I can see what he is doing on a picture in a box in my house.
.
Give me a reasonable (in lay terms) explanation of how that works
and I will die a happy man.
Msg #29699 Dated 9:21:31 12-23-91 29669 <--> 29756
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: P&T
Sorry I missed P&T....
Msg #29700 Dated 9:21:35 12-23-91 29670 <--> 29702
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
If "guided" one would not need the technological aid of a thumb tip.
!
Msg #29701 Dated 9:21:39 12-23-91 29671 <--> 29730
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
No, I meant... some of Ricky Jay's books MIGHT have been stored
or merged into the Mullholland Collection and the Fed's nabbed it
all not knowing there might be others' things there... I understand
that Gaughan and Steinmeyer DID have some of THEIR stuff locked up
as it was there temporarily... My guess is that D.C. would know
that it was theirs and hopefully will return to the rightful parties.
Msg #29702 Dated 9:21:47 12-23-91 29672 <--> 29708
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Yeh... last night I dug in and found the Jones stuff, am sure I
have the other material as well.
.
He's one of the greats that "I REALLY MISS"...
Msg #29703 Dated 9:21:53 12-23-91 29673 <--> 29704
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
Would make a good "round table discussion" take parts of Fitzkee's
writing and lay them out and hammer on them... some are still very
strong, others are as outdated as he was modern when written.
.
I found a great comparison to a "Linking Ring" routine taking a
Waller routine and adapting music to fit the action... very up to
date at the time... but today most people would not recognize the
tunes... and I don't think there are any current POP numbers that
would fit... would require some heavy thinking...
Msg #29704 Dated 9:22:04 12-23-91 29674 <--> 29707
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
Who's to say he wasn't both?
Msg #29705 Dated 9:22:07 12-23-91 29675 <--> 29713
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Yeh, I was TRAINED to Kill...
Msg #29706 Dated 9:22:10 12-23-91 29678 <--> 29719
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Magic is an entertainment.
Msg #29707 Dated 9:22:14 12-23-91 29683 <--> 29725
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
You read the right page in GM dude... wow! Now I guess I will have
to go back and read all the early books to see what's new again!
.
And use my "creative memory" to invent some new stuff!
Msg #29708 Dated 9:22:20 12-23-91 29685 <--> 29717
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Tell 'em the Tabman happens to be a local resident that saw a void
and decided to fill it. Then tell them they can go to Buenos Airies
if they want to attend a convention.
.
Gee, do they tell the Ice Capades they have no right to bring a
show to town?
Msg #29710 Dated 9:26:07 12-23-91 -> 29757
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N4
MAGIC!-NL Sun 22 Dec 91 04:54
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
From : Tommy Wonder
To: Jerry Burton
Subject : Parallax V.1 N.4
Well. artistic freedom. I would be the last to limit one's
freedom, but is it not so that before the artistic freedom comes
the artistic decision. If there is something in my act which turns
out to be offensive, and I was not aware of its offensivenesss
before, then that offensiveness has NOT been an artistic decision
of me. If to be offensive has not been an artistic decision of
mine, then it also has not an artistic goal, has it? If it has no
goal, then it also has no place.
When something turns out, inadvertently, to be offensive, one has
to rethink. To use the idea of artistic freedom to prevent
rethinking, smells of un-integrety, which is the opposite of
artistry. Art is always integre. It can be right, it can be
totally wrong, it can even be totally
disgusting, but it is always integre with the creator. Otherwise
it would be a lie, and art cannot come into existence by lying.
--- GoldED 2.30
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL - Home of the Wizards - +31-23-388725
(2:0/0) ---
Msg #29711 Dated 9:26:39 12-23-91 -> 29731
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
DAVID LICHTMAN
FITZKEE TRILOGY
MAGIC!-NL Sun 22 Dec 91 23:08
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
I did not know that about the clothing stores hiring someone who
is colour blind. So, if I ever decide to stop magic, I have
another
career possibility.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
s
Msg #29712 Dated 9:27:08 12-23-91 -> 29732
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
DAVID LICHTMAN
FITZKEE TRILOGY
MAGIC!-NL Sun 22 Dec 91 23:07
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
I agree with you that the analysis is of interest, although I do
not think it is of paramount importance. My main objection to the
trick brain is the fact that Fitzkee sees this as a method for
creating. As such there are farr better ways to generate
creativity, and it is not something I would recommend.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #29713 Dated 9:48:55 12-23-91 29606 <--> 29714
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Sounds greta. But like you, having done stupid things like that as a
kid, it's a wondeI'm not pushing up flowers. MIKE.
Msg #29714 Dated 9:50:53 12-23-91 29659 <--> 29728
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Good luck. I fit works well. I may be a customer. MIKE.
Msg #29715 Dated 9:51:30 12-23-91 29621 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BAD NEWS
Thanks for the news. I was about to call this morning and get an
update. He will be missed. What a lose.
Msg #29717 Dated 11:05:24 12-23-91 29682 <--> 29721
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RIM SHOT! (Rimbaud?)
Msg #29719 Dated 12:00:00 12-23-91 29689 <--> 29720
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I think I know that magic is primarily entertainment, but I think that
what I'm trying to find are the roots of the premise by which it
entertains. To be entertainment, it has to appeal to some aspect of
each individual in the audience.
Msg #29720 Dated 12:01:38 12-23-91 29706 <--> 29733
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
OK, fine. "Magic is an entertainment." But what does that mean?
Msg #29721 Dated 12:04:56 12-23-91 29685 <--> 29722
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: People who aren't coming to MCMC:
"Illigitimus non carborundum est" - Don't let the bastards grind you
down.
Msg #29722 Dated 12:06:42 12-23-91 29691 <--> 29723
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: URI GELLER
It sounds to me like you are on the right track, Philip. My personal
view is that magic has to get past the puzzle or technology stage - I
see Burger as being on the right track.
Msg #29723 Dated 12:09:20 12-23-91 29697 <--> 29724
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
If I had some green, I'd switch it with my thumb tip. As it is, if I
want to make any money, I'll have to take up counterfeiting.
Msg #29724 Dated 12:10:38 12-23-91 29698 <--> 29734
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
OK - you want a simple explaination of how Soupy can get from one room
to another? Easy - it is a fast moving faxe machine. Now don't go
dying on us, it has been a bad enough year for that as it is.
Msg #29725 Dated 12:13:31 12-23-91 29683 <--> 29726
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
Did Fitzkee become a lawyer before or after he dropped out of magic?
Msg #29726 Dated 12:14:24 12-23-91 29703 <--> 29727
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
The idea of a "round table discussion" of Fitzkee could be interesting.
Where are you going to hold it?
Msg #29727 Dated 12:15:53 12-23-91 29704 <--> 29737
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
There is nothing that says that Fitzkee couldn't have been both an
engineer and a lawyer as well as a magician. I just hadn't heard about
it.
Msg #29728 Dated 12:17:34 12-23-91 29705 <--> 29735
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Well, if you were TRAINED to kill, it was before I wrote the manuals.
Msg #29730 Dated 12:19:25 12-23-91 29701 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Oh! You meant that YOUR volumes of Sphinx might have ended up in the
Mullholland, via Ricky! Well, at least they would be in good hands!
I haven't heard if Gaughan and Steinmeyer have gotten their stuff back.
The Feds can really mess something up, can't they?
Msg #29731 Dated 12:21:46 12-23-91 29711 <--> 29775
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
TO: Tommy Wonder
I didn't know you were color blind! I don't know if clothing stores
still do that since, nowadays, people wear some very strange
combinations. I've looked at some outfits I see people wearing and
have wondered about how clowns (real clowns) can look different these
days.
Msg #29732 Dated 12:23:56 12-23-91 29712 <--> 29758
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
TO: Tommy Wonder
I agree - I don't think that the Trick Brain is all that useful for
creating individual effects. As one who has always been impressed with
the idea of taxonomy, I found the attempt to be interesting.
I would very much enjoy seeing your views on how to create effects,
should you wish to share them.
Msg #29733 Dated 13:04:04 12-23-91 29678 <--> 29739
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
David,
I agree with Max on this one. Magic appeals to that part of us
that wants to believe in miracles. The part that enjoys being
baffled.
I think that there is no race with technology. On the other
hand, I see many people who are involved in magic involved in
technology also.
I mentioned the other day that I saw an old tape of Max on T.V.
The performance involved finding one person at Universal studios
in Florida. If we were competing with technology, the best
performance would have been to have been blindfolded and go
directly to the person chosen. However, the audience wanted to
see a performance, not a demonstration. That is what Max gave
them.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29734 Dated 13:04:12 12-23-91 29687 <--> 29747
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Sounds like your conventions are going to be irresistable.
I'm not boycotting, I'm just broke.
I was looking through an issue of Genii, and saw that there was
going to be a magic convention here in Riverside. Unfortunatly,
it is a convention of Christian magicians. I'm tempted to go
anyway. It would be interesting to see what kinds of tricks
christian magicians do.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29735 Dated 13:04:18 12-23-91 29695 <--> 29736
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Doesn't petrol have a nicer ring to it than "gasoline?"
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29736 Dated 13:04:23 12-23-91 29714 <--> 29741
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
I'll keep you posted.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29737 Dated 13:04:27 12-23-91 29726 <--> 29740
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
How about at my house?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29739 Dated 13:14:05 12-23-91 29733 <--> 29744
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I agree that a good performance has to move people from thinking about
how it is done. It has to activate the person in them that wants to
believe. No contest there. But I think I'm trying to get deeper than
that - to understand how magic can differentiate itself from
technology.
Msg #29740 Dated 13:15:54 12-23-91 29737 <--> 29746
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
You got a round table?
Msg #29741 Dated 13:22:45 12-23-91 29736 <--> 29748
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Thanks. You never did tell me what it was you wanted to make.
MIKE.
Msg #29744 Dated 19:44:31 12-23-91 29719 <--> 29745
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Most of the entertainment comes from the Person... it really
almost doesn't matter what the method of the trickery is... if it
is a pleasant - or more - experience, and you are loved by your
paying customers (just taking the time to watchis PAYING)... you
are home free!
Msg #29745 Dated 19:44:38 12-23-91 29720 <--> 29751
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Wrong... Entertainment can contain magic...
Msg #29746 Dated 19:44:42 12-23-91 29726 <--> 29760
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
We just did. Don't you read all the messages? It hasn't ended tho...
Msg #29747 Dated 19:44:45 12-23-91 29734 <--> 29759
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Why "unfortunately"? Magic is magic... and varied viewpoints are
always valid study. If you don't believe in all they say, that's
OK, just see what they do.
Msg #29748 Dated 19:44:50 12-23-91 29735 <--> 29779
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
What you is sayin' then is you isn't a Limey?
Msg #29750 Dated 20:11:01 12-23-91 -> 29753
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: SEASONS GREETINGS
I don't think I'll be gettting a chance to log on again before the
holiday, so I'd like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a Merry
Christmas and a happy and prosperous 1992.
Msg #29751 Dated 20:15:49 12-23-91 29744 <--> 29752
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yes, but what you are saying about "entertainment comes from the
Person" applies to all methods of entertainment - singing, playing the
zither, etc. Magic must offer something that the other forms don't.
What is that?
Msg #29752 Dated 20:17:13 12-23-91 29745 <--> 29754
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: "Wrong... Entertainment can contain magic..."
Uh, Biro, when the other phrase, "Magic is an entertainment" appeared
in my message, it appeared in quotes BECAUSE I WAS QUOTING _YOU_. So
in the next message you say you were wrong? And you think _I'm_ the
one what is confused???
Msg #29753 Dated 20:20:13 12-23-91 29750 <--> 29776
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: SEASONS GREETINGS
And all our best wishes to you and yours, Jim. Happy Holidays! And a
Great 1992!
Msg #29754 Dated 21:06:27 12-23-91 29751 <--> 29761
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I hope magic helps the audience reach back into the myths and rituals
that once gave meaning to their lives. It's the MYSTERY that I try to
arouse. I don't know if that is _different_ from other art forms. A
certain song can make me reach far back into myself and bring forth
feelings and memories I had long since stuffed away. I might
add--certain magic routines do the same to me.
The perfect "steal" or a great "vanish" do little to move me: The
story surrounding them, however, has a chance. I guess I'm a
story-teller.
--Ph.
Msg #29757 Dated 23:11:01 12-23-91 29710 <--> 29774
From: T A WATERS
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N4
As usual, you have stated the case more elegantly than could I; what ic
(pardon, IT) comes down to is being aware of what one is doing. Art
may come from the unconscious but performance is always conscious.
On another subject -- received the photos, and they are excellent;
many thanks.
Msg #29758 Dated 23:13:45 12-23-91 29712 <--> 29789
From: T A WATERS
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Years ago there was an equivalent device for fiction writers, called
PLOTTO; character X in situation Y with conflict Z. I never heard of
anything useful being produced by its use.
As a colour-blind person you would be ideally suited to decorate
magic apparatus -- at least the kind they sell in the shops!
Msg #29759 Dated 23:16:04 12-23-91 29734 <--> 29768
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I would guess that the best trick Christian magicians do is not getting
hit by lightning...
Msg #29760 Dated 23:16:45 12-23-91 29652 <--> 29778
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
I had always heard Fitzkee was an acoustical engineer.
Msg #29761 Dated 23:17:26 12-23-91 29678 <--> 29765
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I am not sure why you think magic IS competing with technology. Magic
is a theatrical experience; technology is an abstract notion, and in
the concrete is matter-of-fact, exactly the opposite of magic.
The only connection I can see, a tenuous one, is that in some areas,
notably mentalism, you sometimes must make a point of indicating
indirectly that you ARE NOT using technology -- FM pickups in the ear,
for example. The "wonders of technology" however aren't wonders;
they're just things. Magic, ideally, is very different indeed.
Msg #29765 Dated 23:34:10 12-23-91 29761 <--> 29773
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Thank you for your message, T A. Perhaps it will help me to clarify
what I am trying to conceptualize.
Several years ago, an acquaintance of mine, Richard Byrne, said "the
awe has gone out of the World." His example was the small language
translating computers you see around. He had one of the first
prototypes (probably about 6" square and an inch thick) and he showed
it to his class. At the time, it should have been a marvel. The
response was "too big, too heavy." Sheesh! It was a _miracle_ that
the darn thing existed at all!
We live in a World where people _can_ fly; around the world in less
than 90-minutes. Where it is almost as easy to phone Hong Kong as to
yell across the back porch (and we complain if the connection isn't
perfectly clear). Byrne said, "You are in a jet plane - just beyond
two thin sheets of plexiglass is the stratosphere - out there there is
practically no air, the temperature is far below zero, and you are
traveling at very close to the speed of sound, 40,000 feet above the
ground. And you are ticked because there isn't enough ice in your
drink!"
Now, perhaps overstating the case a bit, but how do card tricks, egg
bags, and zombie balls "play" in a World like that?
Msg #29767 Dated 0:02:00 12-24-91 29636 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: TONY ANDRUZZI
Unfortunately I never met Tony, except via his writing. He will live
on in print.
.
Havn't heard from you in a while, what's shakin' - have a good
Christmas, if I don't talk to you.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #29768 Dated 0:02:05 12-24-91 29656 <--> 29769
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Will make a point of hittin' the Grubstake, will say Hi to Jim if I
get teh chance.
Msg #29769 Dated 0:02:08 12-24-91 29670 <--> 29770
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I agree - its seems people believe in magic to get away from the
materialism of technology.
.
Then again as Arthur Clark said, "Any technology sufficiently
advanced is indistinguishable from magic".
Msg #29770 Dated 0:02:12 12-24-91 29685 <--> 29771
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: URI GELLER
A psychologist I read once said there are 2 rules to follow to avoid
stress. One, don't sweat the little things. Two, everything you run
into are little things.
.
You are the new kid on the block and have to contend with the 'old
boys' who WERE the wheels in that little pond. You come in with a
'killer' conclave, giving them an opportunity to see some of the
greatest names in magic - their boycott makes them the losers.
.
Pay them no mind bro - you just made the pond a little bigger and
they can't handle it. A saying I learned in Iran, "Javabe Ablahan
Khamousheest" (Answer Fools with Silence).
.
Merry Christmas - much power coming to you in the new year.
Msg #29771 Dated 0:02:20 12-24-91 29734 <--> 29780
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Don't be put off by the Christian part - I have heard it is a pretty
straight-up convention.
.
By the way if you are interested in getting involved with a local
group there is an Inland Empire Magic Club that meets in Lake Elsinor
e. The Pres is Stewart McKinley (714) 674-6554, give him a call for
details.
Msg #29773 Dated 0:02:28 12-24-91 29719 <--> 29777
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
'Real Magic' appeals to the genetic consciousness that there is some-
thing more than just the material world. Magic is older than science
and all current religions. When someone witnesses a modern magician
(not just some guy doing tricks - I mean MAGIC) there is an awakening
to the realization that there more than just that which 'appears' to
be reality - It reminds us that our conscious minds do not necessaril
y perceive reality as it really is.
.
I have started to define magic as applied sleight of mind. If I can
construct a sequence that your mind follows - only to reveal at the
end that your perceived 'reality' is not what actually occured - you
have had a magical experience ! If the sequence I construct does
not misdirect your mind from the 'reality' of what occured, it is not
magic. The best magic is that which leaves
your mind in a state of not being able offer a reasonable solution
to what you have observed.
.
Needless to say I rarely see 'real magic' much anymore as my ability
to offer reasonable solutions increases as my experience increases.
.
Every so often I still get that 'WOW' feeling when I see something
and just can't figure out how it was done. I had the feeling a lot
more when I was 9, when everthing was a big 'WOW'. Now days I get my
'WOW' by seeing it in other peoples eyes.
Msg #29774 Dated 0:02:40 12-24-91 29710 <--> 29795
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N4
To: Tommy Wonder
I agree - the idea that something in someone's act can be unknowingly
offensive means that the person hadn't thought about why the material
was in the act in the first place. If it is in the act 'knowingly'
then one has to appreciate the person's right to artistic freedom,
although I may not personally agree with the material, I should
consider the person put it in for their own reasons.
.
Of course if I find it offensive, as others may as well, then the
artist must take the consequences of not having anyone seek out their
act. As a result of this discussion I have reviewed some of the thing
s I use and have tightened it up quite a bit. I don't normally use
stuff that could be considered offensive in the first place, its not
my style.
.
I do modify my lines depending on the audience, as some things don't
work in a 'family' situation as they do in a 'bar' situation.
If I used my 'bar' lines without adjusting for the audience I would
definitely offend someone. One must always be aware of what works
best in any given situation - which means being sensitive to the
audience and adjusting accordingly.
.
Hope you have a good holiday season.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #29775 Dated 0:02:52 12-24-91 29731 <--> 29812
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Obviously Pink and Green don't fall into that category - do they ?
(:-})
Msg #29776 Dated 0:02:54 12-24-91 29753 <--> 29786
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEASONS GREETINGS
Happy Holidays Jim - have a prosperous New Year.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #29777 Dated 1:53:05 12-24-91 29739 <--> 29784
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Magic is seeing something that can't be done done. Technology is
seeing something that couldn't be done done.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29778 Dated 1:53:10 12-24-91 29740 <--> 29790
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
I can get one if it means getting you guys together.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29779 Dated 1:53:14 12-24-91 29741 <--> 29781
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Mike,
For this particular effect, I need a HUGE piece of flash paper.
If all goes well, I will have it before February.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29780 Dated 1:53:19 12-24-91 29747 <--> 29782
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
"Unfortunatly" because I am not a devout christian. I would
almost feel like I'm there under false pretenses.
When a group intentionally gathers there is usually an
understanding of compliancy. I don't comply.
One of these days I'll tell the long story of my trials and
tribulations with religion.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29781 Dated 1:53:25 12-24-91 29748 <--> 29785
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Never even been to Europe. But I use "bloody" as easily as any
other swear word, and really enjoy a good English accent.
Does that count?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29782 Dated 1:53:30 12-24-91 29759 <--> 29783
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
ooooooh, oooh ooooh. That's a nasty streak you got runnin'
through you.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29783 Dated 1:53:35 12-24-91 29771 <--> 29792
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Jerry,
Thanks much for the info on both points. I'll give MR. McKinley
a call, and see if I can't make it out there. It's about 35
miles from where I live.
I think I'll call the person for the christian convention and see
how strongly they feel about having an agnostic about.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29784 Dated 1:53:41 12-24-91 29773 <--> 29787
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Jerry,
YES! When I went out to L.A. the other week, David and Marvin
showed me an effect that I still don't understand. Since they
both knew it, and didn't seem to learn it from the same source,
(and one of the auditioning magicians at the castle did the same
trick [though not nearly as well]) I have to assume it is a
popular trick. But it still baffled me. There is a part of me
that is dying to know how it is done, and another part that was
mystified by the effect. Magic.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29785 Dated 7:00:08 12-24-91 29779 <--> 29797
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
O.K. Fine. I have developed a new illusion for my new act. It
orginally called for four pieces of flash paper 30" x 30" . I was sure
I could find a source to supply them. But since I'm going to have to
do the act six nights a week, twice a night. Well...the expense was
just more than I wanted to go in for. Is your's a one time affair? I
am directing a feature film in 1992 that will call for a "one-time"
giant flashpaper gag. But knowing the motion picture biz, it's gonna
take several takes to get it right. I may call upon you when the time
comes to buy said flash paper. I also have called a "pyro" bud of mine
in New York. If he adds anything that could help you. I'll pass it
along. In the meantime, I wish the best and a very Merry Christmas!!!!
Msg #29786 Dated 8:22:38 12-24-91 29750 <--> 29813
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: SEASONS GREETINGS
DITTO TO ONE AND ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD'N (in the Tabman vernacular,
of course)!
Msg #29787 Dated 8:22:42 12-24-91 29751 <--> 29788
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Why must magic offer something that other forms of entertainment
do not?
.
Do singers say, "Songs must offer... etc... "
.
We are just out there doing our "bit"... had I a good voice I
would have been a singer... had I a good memory for lines I would
be a standup comic and not have to use the props as a crutch...
I don't think what you use (mime, 3 balls, egg bags, roller skates,
whatever...) is important -- as an entertainer.
.
You see Mr. Below Average in motor skills, no voice, no brains,
no memory can run down to the local mall and with an expenditure
of a few bucks can BE A MAGICIAN.
.
Try going to a local ballet shop and spend a few hours and book
a show...
.
As one of my favorite all-time persons always said, "It's Only My
Opinion... BUT !!!"
.
Happy Grinchless!
Msg #29788 Dated 8:23:05 12-24-91 29751 <--> 29791
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
And.... and.... when I was one of the "regulars" at the Magic
Cellar in San Francisco, I used to be SO ENVIOUS of the reactions
the Jazz Band and vocalists, "upstairs" would get it made me work
even harder to try to work the audiences UP TO THE FEVER PITCH
that the music could... It was never the trick or the prop or the
method that could do it... IT WAS (AND IS) THE PERFORMER'S ATTITUDE,
MOOD, SELL, PUSH... E N E R G Y... that made the difference.
.
Try to make your performance so strong, so compelling that people
do the equivilant to tapping thier feet while listening to music!
.
Don't think of other MAGIG as your target... think of Elton John,
Tina Turner, Michael Boulton et al as your competition.
.
You can be sure David C does!
Msg #29789 Dated 8:23:21 12-24-91 29758 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Or decorate old movie sets (black and white)....
Happy Holidaze, etc.
Msg #29790 Dated 8:23:25 12-24-91 29760 <--> 29814
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
That rings a bell.... acoustically that is....
Msg #29791 Dated 8:23:28 12-24-91 29765 <--> 29796
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
By adding emotion.
.
After watching a Star Trek episode last night, I want to be an
Android!
Msg #29792 Dated 8:23:34 12-24-91 29769 <--> 29793
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
As I said, a tv picture landing in my house is sufficiently
advanced to be magic to me...
Msg #29793 Dated 8:23:37 12-24-91 29770 <--> 29798
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Like the SILENT explosive used in a Goon Show episode. It (the
explosive) went off to "no sound" just then Eccles comes in the
door and shouts... "What was that noise?"
.
The small ponders are finished... they will be drained...
Msg #29795 Dated 8:23:48 12-24-91 29774 <--> 29842
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N4
You should see Terry Seabrooke perform at a "Workingman's Club"
one show... rush over to a "Church" and do another, then the
next night a "Stag" for a football club and next day a Christmas
show for the Children of the same footbll club.
.
All shows: Same tricks.
All shows: Totally Different patter.... some using the F word a
little, some a lot, some not even the Darn word.... or even a
Foooey...
Msg #29796 Dated 8:23:58 12-24-91 29777 <--> 29801
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Technology is seeing something that had "sufficient budget"... to
be done.
.
We used to open our Midnight Horror Shows with...
.
"Ladies and Gentlemen we will now entertain you with feats of
Prestidigitation.... Presidigitation--the art of taking the
impossible, adding to it the probable and DOING SOMETHING THAT
CANNOT BE DONE..."
Msg #29797 Dated 8:24:09 12-24-91 29779 <--> 29799
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
You want to make the rug appear in a flash for someone's birthday?
Msg #29798 Dated 8:24:12 12-24-91 29780 <--> 29800
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I got stories too... no matter...
.
Hey, feel like a customer... someone there might feel they can
convert you... dig the magic... there might even be some certified
hypocrites (sp?) there...
.
After all, everybody has SOME KIND of medicine to sell.
.
I went to Andre Kole's full evening show... he did about a 15 min.
religious pitch... again TO ME "selling the medicine" ... it is
how he gets to do his shows all over the world ... and we get to
see him.
.
I am probably pretty cynical... but that is just me, based on my
experiences with folks of religios background and what they did
to me in my youth... No need to elaborate... but they screwed it
up by THIER ACTIONS... (STOP BIRO, DON'T OFFEND, DON'T GET INTO
TROUBLE... RELIGION ARGUMENTS ARE WORSE THAN POLITICAL OR ETHNIC
ONES...) argh...
Msg #29799 Dated 8:24:31 12-24-91 29781 <--> 29820
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
That's bleedin' wonnerful mite.
Msg #29800 Dated 8:24:34 12-24-91 29783 <--> 29811
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
They will be thrilled to find someone to "pitch" thier medicine!
Msg #29801 Dated 8:24:37 12-24-91 29784 <--> 29806
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
What was the effect?
Msg #29802 Dated 8:24:40 12-24-91 -> 29815
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Ee;29785
I am hittin' the road (traffic argh...) headed up to the Gold
Country (Hiway 49) and no computers, no phones, no technology,
and I don't think I will even bring a book...
.
Not a long trip. Back in 2 days...hah... just my last chance here
with my electric typing contraption to say Happy Holidaze to one
and all and even a few others...
.
To show you how dumb this country is getting they had a segment on
TV last night trying to find out what kind of Greeting people now
use, so as to not offend anyone... ARE WE SERIOUS... OR WHAT...
.
I'm sorry dudes, but when in Rome... if it is a Christmas season
and someone says "Merry Christmas" ACCEPT IT...
.
The most important lesson I learned this year is when someone wants
to give you something -- JUST BE THRILLED, no matter how trivial,
and ACCEPT IT WITH SINCERE THANKS...
.
Anybody that says "On, no... don't do that..." or "You shouldn't
have..." is OUT from now on...
.
Be thrilled someone thought enough of you to even say "HOWDY"...
.
Only exception... throw out all greeting cards from Realtors and
Insurance companies... they don't mean it!
Msg #29806 Dated 10:14:14 12-24-91 29773 <--> 29807
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Jerry -
It sounds like you are on the wavelength I'm trying to find. Thank you
for posting that message!
Msg #29807 Dated 10:39:36 12-24-91 29777 <--> 29808
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Now that is interesting! Only one problem - the difference between
"can't be done" and "couldn't be done" gets smaller and smaller.
Msg #29808 Dated 10:41:03 12-24-91 29787 <--> 29809
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Magic and song may be very closely intertwined, but I think that
somehow they are different. I don't see magic as the last refuge of
the incompetent - i.e. those who can't sing or dance.
Msg #29809 Dated 10:42:28 12-24-91 29788 <--> 29810
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I would agree about that - good magic should equal good entertainment
of any other form. I just wonder how that is done!
Msg #29810 Dated 10:43:19 12-24-91 29791 <--> 29817
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: "After watching a Star Trek episode last night, I want to be an
Android!"
You would! But have you ever considered that Androids don't eat
chicken fajitas and done engage in... well, you know.
Msg #29811 Dated 10:53:46 12-24-91 29798 <--> 29819
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I would strongly request that we avoid discussion of religion except as
it pertains to magic.
Msg #29812 Dated 10:56:13 12-24-91 29775 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FITZKEE TRILOGY
Pink and green are eminently respectable, when the right shade of green
is worn. Ask Marvin Stern.
Msg #29813 Dated 10:57:02 12-24-91 29776 <--> 29823
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SEASONS GREETINGS
I think you wanted Append and not Reply - not even my middle name is
Jim. But I'm sure that Jim will see your wishes to him and, if a
little bit of good power falls in my direction, well, I could use the
help!
May you have a Wonderful 1992, Jerry!
Msg #29814 Dated 10:58:23 12-24-91 29778 <--> 30880
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: "KID'S DAY"
Maybe get a round table from a surplus shop in Geneva? They got
hundreds of them.
Msg #29815 Dated 11:03:52 12-24-91 29802 <--> 29824
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
OK, "Howdy, Pete." May you have a terrific Christmas and a Wonderful
1992!!!
Msg #29817 Dated 12:59:06 12-24-91 29765 <--> 29818
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Very simply, they play because the context is different -- and
something can be amazing, like technology, without being mysterious.
The idea of magic is not to puzzle people, or get them to say you are
amazing -- a juggler is amazing, and so is an edge-detection program;
the idea of magic is to create MYSTERY -- to make people think, if only
while they are watching and suspending their disbelief, that there is
something beyond not only what they know but what they expect.
Many things in the world create wonder and amazement without having
any hint of the impossible; the special role of magic is to create a
world where the impossible is made real.
All that said, I will grant that 90 percent of magic does not address
it -- is trivial, and has no emotional connection -- but I think that
when one discusses any art it is in terms of that art at its greatest
potential expression.
Msg #29818 Dated 13:07:02 12-24-91 29810 <--> 29841
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete probably saw the episode in which Data and Tasha Yar get to know
each other extremely well.
Msg #29819 Dated 13:09:40 12-24-91 29798 <--> 29821
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
There are, of course, those who would argue that religious and ethnic
questions are ALL political...
Msg #29820 Dated 13:12:24 12-24-91 29785 <--> 29838
From: T A WATERS
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Mike -- if it's for a movie -- just use tissue paper and undercrank the
film...!
Msg #29821 Dated 17:01:58 12-24-91 29759 <--> 29822
From: TABBY CRABB
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I think you're on to something!
Msg #29822 Dated 17:02:01 12-24-91 29770 <--> 29856
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: URI GELLER
The same to you Mr. Bizarre. Appreciate your continued friendship
and advice. To add to your Mid-Eastern saying, I Vietnam I learned
another, (in English) "There are more ways than one to catch a
monkey."
Msg #29823 Dated 17:02:06 12-24-91 29786 <--> 29893
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SEASONS GREETINGS
A double goodun to you and yers!!
tennessee tabman
Msg #29824 Dated 17:02:10 12-24-91 29802 <--> 29843
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Biro, I'm with you. Thanks for everything the past year.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Msg #29836 Dated 18:51:25 12-24-91 -> 29845
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: ALL
Re: XMAS
Just a quick note to wish one and all the best of this season (is that
politcally correct enough). May you have a beautiful holiday and may
all your wishes and dreams be fulfilled (and my dreams have a Lolita
bent). Three things you should always remember...1) Never, but never
fry bacon while naked...2) If you see someone with less than you, give
them something, even if it is a smile...and 3) If you liked my message,
I'm Anthony Blake...if not, it's Ebanezer Scrooge...
MERRY GEEKMAS EVERYONE!!!!
The One...The Only...
THE HOLLY, JOLLY, EGGNOG FILLED GEEKMAN!
Msg #29837 Dated 19:08:14 12-24-91
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N4
Max, I haven't had the chance to tell you that I read your letter in
_Newsweek_ and I thought it very direct and to the point. As you know
I agree with your concern about the recent "Japan Bashing" that is so
common in our press. The point is rarely made that the press does not
get hysterical when a British Corp buys yet another piece of property
in Downtown New York or another major food distributor. It is still a
fact: The UK is the largest buyer in the USA and has holdings nearly
twice that of Japan. Of course the UK represents White, Western
Europians.
May the new year bring you fortune.
Msg #29838 Dated 19:27:02 12-24-91 29820 <--> 29854
From: MIKE KING
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Great Idea. But don't know what action may happen in the frame at the
same time. But I will for sure keep your suggestion in my production
notebook. Thanks. Merry Christmas.
Msg #29839 Dated 19:28:52 12-24-91
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: CHRISTMAS
Mery Christmas to all! And to all a goodnight.
S. Claus
Msg #29841 Dated 20:35:26 12-24-91 29784 <--> 29844
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
JUst hold onto the feeling of having experienced the magic. Once you
see 'how' it was done, you will never be able to experience the same
feeling again. There are several effects that I'm sure I could figure
out, but refuse to do so, since I don't want to lose the mystery and
feeling of magic the the effect arouses in me.
.
The worst thing that can happen is to have someone do an effect you
really like, so badly, that the method is 'exposed'. Those guys
should be banned from magic forever.
Msg #29842 Dated 20:35:31 12-24-91 29795 <--> 29896
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N4
That's exactly what I mean, offensive material is context sensitive.
The performer must be aware of what will work in different venues.
.
People that just mouth exactly the same patter without any thought as
to what type of audience they are performing for are the worst. I
would prefer them to just 'demonstrate' and not even try to add a
story line.
Msg #29843 Dated 20:35:36 12-24-91 29824 <--> 29850
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Socio-politico Acceptable greetings ?? Hey gimme a break - don't peop
le have any thing better to do than decide what people SHOULD say to
each other - For all my Christian, Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, and
Atheist friends - Happy Holidays and have an excellant New Year !
Msg #29844 Dated 20:35:39 12-24-91 29818 <--> 29847
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
After all Data is anatomically correct !
Msg #29845 Dated 20:35:41 12-24-91 29836 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: XMAS
Same to you Geekman - may the bluebird of happiness fly up your ...
whatever - Happy Holiday.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #29846 Dated 20:35:57 12-24-91
From: TOMMY GOODWIN
To: ALL
Re: CHRISTMAS
A Merry, MAGIC! Christmas to all.
-Tommy Goodwin
Msg #29847 Dated 21:34:00 12-24-91 29817 <--> 29848
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Thank you, T A. I may have your message framed.
Msg #29848 Dated 21:35:00 12-24-91 29818 <--> 29849
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
My mistake, I guess. I'm not a Trekkie and haven't seen the show in a
long time.
Msg #29849 Dated 21:36:42 12-24-91 29844 <--> 29851
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Hmmm... Is being anatomically correct anything like being politically
correct?
You have to forgive me for that one, Jerry, and for anything else I may
post tonite. I have a cold/flu/something and I'm not making a whole
lot of sense.
Msg #29850 Dated 21:41:41 12-24-91 29843 <--> 29858
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
What's the matter, Burton? You got no Zoroastrian, Shinto, Taoist,
Confucian, or Hindu friends?
Msg #29851 Dated 21:43:40 12-24-91 29807 <--> 29852
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
No it doesn't.
Msg #29852 Dated 21:46:30 12-24-91 29851 <--> 29859
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I have attempted to think about your comment with some degree of
fullness and I can't come to that conclusion. Perhaps you will
enlighten me?
Msg #29854 Dated 22:48:46 12-24-91 29785 <--> 29855
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Mike,
Please let me know if you need anything.
I have always focused on close-up magic, but decided that I
should be more rounded. So I'm putting together a stage illusion
that (hopefully) will knock people's socks off. (and give me a
chance to use that fake toe.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29855 Dated 22:48:52 12-24-91 29797 <--> 29857
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Pete,
re: "You want to make the rug appear in a flash for someone's
birthday?"
I can always count on you to clear thing up.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29856 Dated 22:48:57 12-24-91 29798 <--> 29889
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Pete,
Regarding religions (a subject that you seem to have sense enough
to leave alone, but I don't) I have studied trying to find "the
truth."
When I was younger I went with a vehemence against any verbal
opponent I could find. I could out debate most ministers on the
subject. Then I grew up and realized that people ought to have
a right to believe what they want without having to defend
themselves to the likes of me.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29857 Dated 22:49:04 12-24-91 29799 <--> 29874
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Isn't "bleedin' wonnerful mite" more australian? Doesn't matter,
I haven't been there either.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29858 Dated 22:49:09 12-24-91 29802 <--> 29894
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Pete,
Probably by the time you get this, it will be too late to wish a
happy christmas, so at least let me wish a merry new year.
Hope that life and love treat you well.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29859 Dated 22:49:15 12-24-91 29807 <--> 29860
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
David,
Actually, I think you will find that the difference between can't
be done and couldn't be done is getting larger. The more you
know, the more you realize that there is much more to know.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29860 Dated 22:49:21 12-24-91 29808 <--> 29861
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
David,
I think that Tabby, (and hopefully me) show that magic is not
just a realm of non-musicians. And I know that Pete shows that
magic is not just non-jugglers.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29861 Dated 22:49:26 12-24-91 29810 <--> 29863
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The one in Star Trek does.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29862 Dated 22:49:31 12-24-91
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: HOLIDAYS
Happy....
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29863 Dated 22:49:40 12-24-91 29841 <--> 29864
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Jerry,
I know what you mean with the feeling. The ability to reach back
in memory and find a "feeling" again is a very important,
underused ability.
Sometimes I hesitate to do a simple effect until I remember the
tremendous effect it had on me when I didn't know how to do it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29864 Dated 23:08:42 12-24-91 29859 <--> 29865
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Max's comment suggests the same thing. And maybe I'm taking a narrow
view, but I've always thought that if I could go back to King Arthur's
day with the stuff I carry in my attache case - computer, tape
recorder, etc. - I could put Merlin into the ranks of the unknown.
Assuming, of course, that I also brought the infrastructure and the
batteries to support it.
Msg #29865 Dated 23:12:49 12-24-91 29860 <--> 29867
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
It was Pete who said, "Had I a good voice I would have been a singer."
You could also count Mike Close in the musician/magician group.
But that was precisely my point - that magic should not be considered
the last refuge of the entertainment incompetent.
Msg #29867 Dated 0:50:47 12-25-91 29848 <--> 29868
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
You ought to take a look; more often than not, ST:TNG is one of the
more intelligently written shows available.
Msg #29868 Dated 0:55:10 12-25-91 29852 <--> 29869
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
If I may -- possible and impossible are discrete concepts, and the gulf
between them remains constant. The difference between the two was the
same in ancient times, and will still be when they thaw me out in the
23rd century so I can do bar magic in 10-forward on the Enterprise.
Msg #29869 Dated 0:57:35 12-25-91 29864 <--> 29871
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I am reminded of an Addams cartoon in the New Yorker: a jungle native
type is speaking to his king in a grass hut, saying, "Guy just landed
in a Sikorsky H-21 twin-rotor -- says he's a white god."
Msg #29871 Dated 2:47:53 12-25-91 29852 <--> 29876
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I'll be happy to enlighten you. There is no limit as to what cannot be
done -- it is an infinite set. Thus, no matter how many technological
achievements create new "things that couldn't be done until now," the
gap between that number and the unlimited realm of possibilities stays
the same.
Have you figured out yet that technology and magic have explicitly
cross purposes?
Msg #29872 Dated 6:26:56 12-25-91 -> 29880
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: MERRY XMAS
I want to wish all MAGIC!(-US) members a very merry Xmas. Also on
behalve on all the NL members.
I hope the unique cooperation we started in 1991 will also be continued
in 1992.
With maybe an even more global BBS coverage for the coming year. Once
the rest of the world should realize that a Magical live without BBS
ain't just as much fun.
Thanks for all you nice messages, and support!!!!
Arnaud
Msg #29874 Dated 6:52:39 12-25-91 29854 <--> 29902
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Best o' Luck! Merry Christmas, Kevin.
Msg #29875 Dated 7:05:01 12-25-91 -> 29881
From: GENO MUNARI
To: ALL
Re: XMAS
Happy Holidays, Merry Xmas and a very joyous season to all.....
I have been very busy getting the MAGIC PARLOR ready to open
tommorrow at the Continental Hotel....we will open the first
show at 7pm and a second at 9pm.....there are two magicians, and
two variety acts........hope all of you can see it.
Geno
Msg #29876 Dated 10:28:12 12-25-91 29867 <--> 29877
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I have heard that it is a well done show. But my oportunities to watch
television are rare.
Msg #29877 Dated 10:30:16 12-25-91 29868 <--> 29878
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
In theory, yes, possible and impossible are discrete. But for magical
purposes, it takes the human intellect to pierce the impossible, and,
it seems to me, that task gets harder and harder as the shell of the
possible expands.
Do you plan to be a bar-droid?
Msg #29878 Dated 10:33:35 12-25-91 29869 <--> 29879
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Hmmm... That may be the point at which the magic fades.
Msg #29879 Dated 10:34:23 12-25-91 29871 <--> 29886
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I had, of course, considered the problem by using set theory. As I
mentioned to T A, though, the difficulty is the human ability to
conceptualize. I don't see many new effects that stretch the boundary
of the possible.
My own view has always been that technology was started by early
magicalumpen. But I would really appreciate your further explaination
of how technology and magic have explicitly cross purposes.
Msg #29880 Dated 10:39:38 12-25-91 29872 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MERRY XMAS
And the best of the season and a wonderful New Year to all of the
members of MAGIC-NL, Arnaud! You were the first with the vision and
foresight to extend MAGIC! I know it hasn't always been easy, but you
have stayed with it and you have made it happen.
Together, MAGIC! and MAGIC-NL now have friends all over the World
(Europe to Hawaii to New Zealand!) and in 1992 that circle will
increase.
Msg #29881 Dated 10:42:34 12-25-91 29875 <--> 29903
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: XMAS
Congratulations on the new Magic Parlor venture, Geno! May 1992 bring
you all the best!
Msg #29882 Dated 13:41:04 12-25-91 28711 <--> 29955
From: ARTHUR MOSES
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: HOUDINI
Manny, I would love to get copies of what you have. You never offered
that before.
Msg #29883 Dated 15:13:27 12-25-91 -> 29884
From: FRANK ZAK
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
Yes I did. That was in 1972-1974.
Msg #29885 Dated 16:35:09 12-25-91 -> 29904
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: CHRISTMAS
Season's Greetings to all. It has been a delight to be
on MAGIC! this year.
What loot did you guys receive today? I was the happy
recipient of Steve Spill's HOCUM AND HYPE video. Lots
of fun. First time I've seen Steve (or anyone!) do the
rice bowls with two halves of Timothy Leary's brain.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #29886 Dated 16:59:06 12-25-91 29808 <--> 29887
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Those that can't Yodel, maybe?
Msg #29887 Dated 16:59:09 12-25-91 29809 <--> 29888
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Sorry... you lost on that answer... if you don't know how... you
don't know how. Tsk.
Msg #29888 Dated 16:59:14 12-25-91 29810 <--> 29891
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The 'DONE'... wassa DONE?
Msg #29889 Dated 16:59:17 12-25-91 29811 <--> 29892
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Bless you my son.
Msg #29891 Dated 16:59:24 12-25-91 29818 <--> 29898
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
So that's who it be.. Tasha yar... ha
Msg #29892 Dated 16:59:27 12-25-91 29819 <--> 29901
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You and me, right!
Msg #29893 Dated 16:59:31 12-25-91 29823 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SEASONS GREETINGS
Ditto, dude...!!!!!!!
Msg #29894 Dated 16:59:34 12-25-91 29824 <--> 29897
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Yo... just rolled back into the factory and turned on the machinery.
Yowza... drove my butt off today, from the Gold Country high in
the Sierras to the Coast... argh... ate tooooo much... and nined
too much.... survival of the fattest.... yar.... hit 'em. Adios.
Msg #29896 Dated 16:59:44 12-25-91 29842 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PARALLAX V.1 N4
Sounds good to me.
Msg #29897 Dated 16:59:47 12-25-91 29843 <--> 29917
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
I can dig it... Happy daze...
Msg #29898 Dated 16:59:50 12-25-91 29847 <--> 29899
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Who's framing Waters? Wha?
Msg #29899 Dated 16:59:54 12-25-91 29848 <--> 29900
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Any good Trekker knows there is no such thing as a Trekkie... tsk.
Msg #29900 Dated 16:59:57 12-25-91 29849 <--> 29905
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I certainly am thrilled and delighted to know that I am one of the
few people in the world that is perfect. Whew!
Msg #29901 Dated 17:00:02 12-25-91 29856 <--> 29980
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Now that, I don't believe. ;+)
Msg #29902 Dated 17:00:05 12-25-91 29857 <--> 29946
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Either have I sucker!
Msg #29903 Dated 17:00:08 12-25-91 29875 <--> 29918
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: XMAS
Which two magi and others? Huh? inquiring minds wanna know...
Hope it goes goooood... but isn't the week BETWEEN xmas and new
years the WORST in Vegas? I know you want to get ready for the
real crowds without too much heat...
.
Happy Happy, etc.
Msg #29904 Dated 17:47:29 12-25-91 29885 <--> 29919
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CHRISTMAS
Sounds like you did OK, Steve! What did I get - well, I almost got
over my cold...
Msg #29905 Dated 17:48:09 12-25-91 29886 <--> 29906
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I've rather always liked Yodelling, esp. Country & Western Yodelling.
Msg #29906 Dated 17:50:38 12-25-91 29888 <--> 29907
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Apparently, it was "done." Or at least T A says 'Droids can do it.
Maybe only some 'Droids - I'll bet C3PO is permanently lonely.
Msg #29907 Dated 17:51:55 12-25-91 29899 <--> 29908
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I thought a Trekker was someone who climbed rocks and that a Trekkie
was someone who watched the show. Shows how much I know.
Msg #29908 Dated 17:53:22 12-25-91 29900 <--> 29910
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
You ain't exactly perfect, Biro, you got a hole in your head from that
reversed nail, remember?
Msg #29910 Dated 18:03:45 12-25-91 29879 <--> 29911
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The purpose of magic is to create mystery. The purpose of technology is
to create solutions.
Msg #29911 Dated 18:55:15 12-25-91 29910 <--> 29912
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Magic and technology as Yin and Yang?
Msg #29912 Dated 19:25:38 12-25-91 29864 <--> 29913
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Remember the old Danny Kaye film, 'A Conneticut Yankee in King
Arthur's Court', its already been done.
Msg #29913 Dated 19:25:41 12-25-91 29868 <--> 29914
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The gulf between them may remain constant, but the content of the
two sets chnages constantly. The possible is becoming larger and the
impossible smaller. Until duality ceases to exist the two sets will
remain disjoint.
Msg #29914 Dated 19:25:44 12-25-91 29869 <--> 29915
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Also reminds me of a line Vito Lupo used in his castle lecture. After
performing a 'minor' miracle and not getting the response he thought
it deserved he said, 'Come on guys, if I had done that 2000 years ago
you would have considered ME the messiah'.
Msg #29915 Dated 19:25:47 12-25-91 29876 <--> 29916
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
You ought to consider getting the videos. Columbia is isssuing the
entire series, 2 episodes per tape sans commercials. I get one every
month. They're well worth it - then you can watch them at your
leisure.
Msg #29916 Dated 19:25:51 12-25-91 29906 <--> 29921
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
C3P0 (being primarily a computer on wheels) does it a BYTE at a time!
Msg #29917 Dated 19:25:53 12-25-91 29850 <--> 29924
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Zorastian and Taoist - yes, Shinto, Confucian, and Hindu - No.
Didn't want the list to get too long to make the point, just hit
the majors ! You caught me.
Msg #29918 Dated 19:25:56 12-25-91 29903 <--> 29935
From: JERRY BURTON
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: XMAS
How about posting the schedule on MAGIC! so we can see what we are
missing as well as what me should come see.
.
I'll be in Mar 18 and will plan on coming even earlier so I can make
the 7 pm show. Maybe some of the other MAGIC! troops will come as
well.
Msg #29919 Dated 19:26:00 12-25-91 29904 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CHRISTMAS
My daughter got me 'Mind & Magic - an illustrated encyclopedia of the
mysterious and unexplained'. My ex-Mother-in-law got me a crystal
ball with a wizard inside that has a music box in the base that plays
'when you wish upon a star' - a very magical Christmas for sure.
.
Hope everyone else did as well - have a Happy and prosperous New Year
.
Bizarre.
Msg #29921 Dated 20:10:33 12-25-91 29912 <--> 29922
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Actually, before it was a film, it was a book.
Msg #29922 Dated 20:11:48 12-25-91 29915 <--> 29923
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Are they issuing ST or ST:TNG? Leisure? What is that?
Msg #29923 Dated 20:13:08 12-25-91 29916 <--> 29927
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: "C3PO does it a byte at a time"
Is that an 8-bit byte, a 16-bit byte, or a 32-bit byte?
Msg #29924 Dated 20:14:28 12-25-91 29917 <--> 29933
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Just wanted to be sure we didn't leave anyone out. Of course, we
haven't even mentioned the Druids yet.
Msg #29927 Dated 21:38:19 12-25-91 29877 <--> 29928
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
If it can be pierced, it is by definition not impossible and therefor
not magic.
Msg #29928 Dated 21:39:28 12-25-91 29913 <--> 29929
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I would be very interested to know how you determine the relative
quantity of possible and impossible.
Msg #29929 Dated 21:41:57 12-25-91 29906 <--> 29930
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Data is very well engineered -- at least Tasha seemed to think so.;-)
Msg #29930 Dated 22:04:09 12-25-91 29921 <--> 29931
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Mark Twain.
Msg #29931 Dated 22:14:04 12-25-91 29927 <--> 29932
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Darn! Just when I thought I was beginning to understand! Are you
saying that magic always remains in the impossible? And that it is,
therefore, beyond the ability of humans to perform?
Msg #29932 Dated 22:16:50 12-25-91 29929 <--> 29934
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Hmmm... Sounds like one more thing for Cosmopolitan to write about!
Msg #29933 Dated 22:17:47 12-25-91 29894 <--> 29941
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Mom and both grown sons came in past three days. Has been like
old times with the family. Will be hitting em hot and heavy starting
in the morning. Gotta be rollin at daybreak. Friends over
this afternoon. Good to see you're home and cookin. Yar...good
dinner here past two days. Talk at you tomorrow.
Msg #29934 Dated 22:17:12 12-25-91 29930 <--> 29937
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Correct. Let's see... Last week I got one right, this week you got one
right, does that make us even?
Msg #29935 Dated 22:28:12 12-25-91 29875 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: XMAS
Best of luck with the opening, Geno. Call if I can help. MIKE.
Msg #29937 Dated 23:32:23 12-25-91 29922 <--> 29938
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
They are issuing ST:TNG, I was never much of a fan of ST - thought
it was kinda campy. ST:TNG - now that is another matter, it is
well written and the special effects are top-notch.
.
Leisure - a time when you just lay back and enjoy the moment - try it
you'll like it !
Msg #29938 Dated 23:32:27 12-25-91 29923 <--> 29939
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
A Byte by definition is 8 bits, wheras a Nibble is 4 bits. A word on
the other hand may contains several bytes. Of course - you knew all
this, did you just what an explanation or what ?
Msg #29939 Dated 23:32:30 12-25-91 29928 <--> 29940
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
It all depends on whether you consider them to be infinite disjoint
sets or not. If they are both infinite then there relative size
makes no sense. If however you consider them finite (albeit quite
large) then as one increases the other decreases by defintion.
.
Ultimately it gets down to whether you think the universe is open or
closed - or said another way finite or infinite.
.
Max suggested that the impossible is infinite, which would also imply
that the concept of relative size is meaningless. If we restrict the
possible and impossible to the 4 dimensional physical plane and
assume that it is finite then the concept of relative quantity of
possible and impossible becomes meaningful.
Msg #29940 Dated 23:32:37 12-25-91 29931 <--> 29942
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Magic is the demonstration of the impossible as defined by what is
currently possible. For example, if I could cause objects to 'disappe
ar' and 'reappear' several thousand miles away that would be magic,
unless we had developed a technology similiar to Star Trek's transpor
ter.
.
As Pete said transmitting pictures of people from all over the world
into a little box in his house is 'magic' to him, to those that
understand the technology involved its just a process.
Msg #29941 Dated 23:32:42 12-25-91 29924 <--> 29945
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
I have a few Wiccan friends who have Druid friends does that count ?
Msg #29942 Dated 23:37:03 12-25-91 29937 <--> 29943
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Interesting! I didn't know ST:TNG was out on video. I assumed it was
"current" and that only ST was out.
As to "lay back and enjoy the moment," I've tried it, but that crystal
you sent me and told me to orient N-S on my bed keeps killing my back.
Msg #29943 Dated 23:39:00 12-25-91 29938 <--> 29944
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Just checking, Jerry! Have you seen the new 16-bit ASCII character set
proposals?
Msg #29944 Dated 23:41:24 12-25-91 29940 <--> 29947
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
But, to "those that understand the technology involved" is magic more
than just a process?
Msg #29945 Dated 23:42:15 12-25-91 29941 <--> 29953
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Wondered when the Wiccans would get into this! But aren't modern day
Druids sorta Reform Druids?
Msg #29946 Dated 0:50:11 12-26-91 29874 <--> 29963
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Mike,
I'm too late to return the greetings, but I hope it was a happy
christmas for you as well. This is a year of many changes for
us. Let me be the first to wish everyone here the best of all
possible worlds.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29947 Dated 0:52:36 12-26-91 29931 <--> 29948
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
If it isn't impossible, it is just the demonstration of a skill; I have
always had the notion that the whole idea of magic is to do the
impossible. In this context, I can't imagine what you mean by "beyond
the ability of humans to perform..." If you mean perform in the sense
of executing an effect, you're switching contexts from creator to
perceiver. If you mean humans as opposed to para-humans (magicians),
yes; magicians, in the real sense, are supposed to have powers that
ordinary humans do not have.
Msg #29948 Dated 0:56:19 12-26-91 29939 <--> 29949
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Theoretically, maybe -- but I don't see what basis could be used to
determine relative sizes of possible and impossible -- unless one has
the intellectual arrogance indicated in the (apocryphal) story of the
British Patent Office considering closing in the 1880s because
everything had been invented...!
Msg #29949 Dated 1:25:51 12-26-91 29947 <--> 29950
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Ok, so you are talking about theoretical magic or magic which might be
performed by meta-humans (magicians) [I believe "para" connotes
subordinate, as in "para-legal"] and in that context I would agree with
you. And, yes, then in that realm the discussion makes sense. But I
thought that I had started this thread with the assumption that we were
talking about magic as a performing art and not magic in the abstract.
That sort of leaves me with the original "problem" - that magic as a
performing art has an increasingly difficult time in transcending the
ordinary or the technologically possible.
Msg #29950 Dated 1:34:27 12-26-91 29948 <--> 29951
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I believe that the story may be less than apocryphal and that it was
the U.S. Patent Office in 1847.
Msg #29951 Dated 8:14:58 12-26-91 29927 <--> 29952
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Don't try that on my bicycle tires.
Msg #29952 Dated 8:15:01 12-26-91 29931 <--> 29954
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Unlike "remembering" how to ride a bicycle... Magic, in its real
form (which doesn't exist anyway) is behond the ability of humans
to perform... But... Androids... heheheheheh...
Msg #29953 Dated 8:15:06 12-26-91 29933 <--> 30023
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Alexanders' wife took sick... mite not come Souf'
Msg #29954 Dated 8:15:09 12-26-91 29934 <--> 29956
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I see no two less even beings. Max is a little less tall than you.
Msg #29955 Dated 8:15:12 12-26-91 29882 <--> 29990
From: PETE BIRO
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: HOUDINI
You offered FREE BOOZE, FREE POSTERS... ANYTHING... ??? Whatever it
was, I'll take a dozen! '+)
Msg #29956 Dated 8:15:16 12-26-91 29937 <--> 29957
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Howcum you guys don't know how to "spell" STING?
Msg #29957 Dated 8:15:19 12-26-91 29940 <--> 29958
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
But a "Magical" PROCESS... right?
Msg #29958 Dated 8:15:22 12-26-91 29944 <--> 29959
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Forget all the theoretical crap and work on your natural hand when
bottom palming and your ability to chat people up, looking them in
the eye while doing the necessary!
Msg #29959 Dated 8:15:27 12-26-91 29947 <--> 29960
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Whew... I was worried you were going to say "Sub-Humans" instead
of "Para-Humans"...
Msg #29960 Dated 8:15:31 12-26-91 29948 <--> 29961
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The actual British people did stop inventing things about then.
Msg #29961 Dated 8:15:34 12-26-91 29949 <--> 29962
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Start with the classics. The Rings, Rope, Egg Bag and Cups and Balls.
Pick 2 of the 3. Work them into NEW VISIONS and make them unique
and "signature" pieces that bear your own mark. Then we can talk
theory.
Msg #29962 Dated 8:15:39 12-26-91 29950 <--> 29964
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
They never opened a patent office in China.
Msg #29963 Dated 8:48:42 12-26-91 29946 <--> 29975
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Thank you. And the best to you and yours in the New Year.
Msg #29964 Dated 9:32:59 12-26-91 29952 <--> 29965
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Ah, but Pete, magic in its real form DOES exist. If you don't believe
that, you can't perform the other stuff.
Msg #29965 Dated 9:36:09 12-26-91 29954 <--> 29966
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Two less even beings.
True.
Msg #29966 Dated 9:37:02 12-26-91 29958 <--> 29967
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Forget the theory/work on the hands
Well, yeah, you gotta do that too!
Msg #29967 Dated 9:38:41 12-26-91 29961 <--> 29971
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Start with the classics.
I am - I'm working on my thumb tip bill switch. Theory is the soil in
which the flowers grow.
Msg #29968 Dated 13:22:48 12-26-91 -> 29989
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DATES
T A... haven't yet found a copy of your tome.... if you get a chance,
no rush... (I can go out and ride my bicycle some more)... I need the
Year of Birth/Death of Charles Waller, the Ausie mage...
Msg #29971 Dated 15:11:26 12-26-91 29964 <--> 29972
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
OK, will put the bicycle away and start to use my roller skates
again... (If I can find them)!
Msg #29972 Dated 15:11:30 12-26-91 29966 <--> 29973
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I am... I am... got to stop the Carpel Tunnel Crapdrome...
Msg #29973 Dated 15:11:33 12-26-91 29967 <--> 29976
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Chees... you know I went away and left my thumb tip lying by the
window... hate to tell you what sprouted out of it... argh...
.
Seriously... I did open my Laptop and a small CENTIPEDE crawled out
of one of the little speaker grid openings... ARGH....
Msg #29974 Dated 15:11:41 12-26-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DISK
got the disk... put the file in and still got an error message??? Will
see if I can figure it out... got to run now, maybe tomorrow let ya
know... thanks... later...
Msg #29975 Dated 15:14:45 12-26-91 29902 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH PAPER
Well, that's it then. I'll drop by your place, and we'll head
out to Australia. I understand the magic scene is really moving
there.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29976 Dated 15:14:50 12-26-91 29960 <--> 29979
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete,
Man, you're lucky I'm not brittish.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #29977 Dated 15:35:21 12-26-91 -> 30040
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: BUSBY
Just received a card from Jeff Busby with his new address. He
seems to have left the land of earthquakes and fires to be nearer
his in-laws.
.
I know he doesn't like to mix business with his
corespondence on this board, so I am taking the initiative to
post the address and number.
.
Jeff Busby Magic, Inc.
612 Cedar Street
Wallace, ID 83873-2233 U.S.A.
Phone orders.....1-800-445-0918
Inquiries........1-208-556-1191
.
Jeff - If you are still reading, say hello to your father-in-
law for me.
Msg #29979 Dated 16:52:28 12-26-91 29949 <--> 29982
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I was going to leave this for T.A. to respond to, but he'll just have
to get in line.
"Para" is a greek prefix which means "beside" or "beyond." It does not
mean "subordinate."
As to your statement that you thought this discussion was "about magic
as a performing art and not magic in the abstract," I question how one
can discuss the first without including the second.
Msg #29980 Dated 17:55:08 12-26-91 29670 <--> 29981
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
This whole discussion of magic and technology is a very old
problem for some. I'd rather worry about playing cards not being
used for games; and no one conversant with them. Just try
borrowing a cigarette these days. They're hard to find.
.
Siegfreid and Roy may have a problem, as I understand in
their show it is hard to see the magic for the lasers and other
stage effects. When Lance Burton does the duo-levitation I don't
think there are many people who are baffled by the effect. "What
magic? - I didn't see any magic!" They are too overcome.
.
On the other hand most close-up and platform performers
should have little problem. I've seen a group of adults blown
away by the egg bag. Signed card in the wallet, copper silver
brass etc... Technology will never hurt these effects.
.
Which, I suppose, brings up another problem which is being
discussed these days. I disagre with Eugene Berger and his school
of thinking that magic must be presented with an air of mystery.
Bob Sheets and other comedy magicans who perform baffling items
have proven that mystery is not necessary.
.
People enjoy watching a skilled performer. No one watching
John Scarne or Slydini Etal thought anything but that hey were
watching great skill. The effects were astounding and they
couldn't see anything.
.
One last puzzling example. I'm sure that viewers of Del
Ray's electronic wizardry, know it's electronic. But they don't
care because they are laughing too hard at Del's interaction with
the creatures. It is a tongue-in-cheek presentation.
Msg #29981 Dated 17:55:44 12-26-91 29691 <--> 29999
From: CY KELLER
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Agree - it is the person that matters. Disagree with Burger
that things _must_ seem magical. Too many of the presentations of
this sort seem overly precious.
Msg #29982 Dated 17:55:52 12-26-91 29765 <--> 29983
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
David - Tricks with cards and the Egg Bag will continue to
amuse and entertain if they are well done by an engaging
performer. Don't know about zombie - ask Biro. That $100 bill
switch will bring up enough aboriginal greed to interest anyone.
No overselling of mystery necessary.
Msg #29983 Dated 17:56:02 12-26-91 29773 <--> 29984
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yes! Good tricks do look like magic because, no matter what
the presentation, if they can't explain what happened it is a
magical effect.
.
When you get older the WOW is harder to come by, but it can
still happpen. I didn't have any idea of how three coins could
penetrate a glass-top table _upward_. This effect was so
astounding to me that I was able to entertain people just
explaning the effect to them.
Msg #29984 Dated 17:56:15 12-26-91 29871 <--> 29985
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Max - hate to get philosophical. Certain things cannot be
done e.g. squaring a circle, God creating something he couldn't
lift, presupposing nothing can be created he couldn't lift. These
are impossible. The world is finite so I would think there would
be a finite number of things which haven't been done _yet_. It's
finite but pretty big so there is little difference between this
finite and infinite.
.
Have a good year and hope to see you again in '92.
Msg #29985 Dated 17:56:29 12-26-91 29910 <--> 29986
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Great Max! I am assuming that magic = conjuring. You could
also equate mystery with amazement.
Msg #29986 Dated 17:56:36 12-26-91 29940 <--> 29987
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
People can accept the impossiblity of transposing images by
TV or FAX - they know it's some technology. A signed card in a
zippered wallet will kill them because they can't ascribe it to
some technology. There are no boxes or wires and nothing is
plugged into the wall. They see it under their nose. Close-up
magic has no problem with technology.
Msg #29987 Dated 17:56:46 12-26-91 29961 <--> 29988
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yeah Pete. You got it.
Msg #29988 Dated 17:56:52 12-26-91 29964 <--> 29994
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
What do you mean "in its real form DOES exist." I must be
missing something quite deep.
Msg #29989 Dated 17:56:58 12-26-91 29968 <--> 29995
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DATES
Whaley lists Waller, Charles [Gordon] Benalla Australia
B 8 Dec. 1879 d 30 May 1960. Don't know if this is correct
- T.A. may have more accurate figures.
Msg #29990 Dated 17:59:13 12-26-91 29955 <-
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOUDINI
You got it Pete. Call me at 818/786-7372 for your free Houdini photo.
Msg #29992 Dated 19:04:41 12-26-91 -> 30022
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCRIPT
Tried again... got, after "what is your name?" ERROR 9, LINE 1: define
name "pete biro"
.
Does it need ^M after the o and before the "
Will see what haps...
Msg #29994 Dated 19:59:27 12-26-91 29950 <--> 29997
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Actually, the indications are that it really never occurred at all.
Msg #29995 Dated 20:00:31 12-26-91 29968 <--> 29998
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DATES
Charles Waller: 1884-1960.
Msg #29996 Dated 20:01:55 12-26-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TRIED AGAIN
now got error line 12: waitquiet 3 forever
.
Oh, well SOME DAY... ARGH....
Msg #29997 Dated 20:03:26 12-26-91 29984 <--> 30001
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Where do you get the notion that the world (by which I assume you mean
the universe in which we now exist) is finite? Got a map?
Msg #29998 Dated 20:05:17 12-26-91 29989 <--> 30002
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DATES
The obituary notice I used for a source says Waller was born in 1884;
I don't know what Whaley's source for his info may be.
Msg #29999 Dated 20:07:37 12-26-91 29980 <--> 30000
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: URI GELLER
No one, I think, has said that magic MUST be presented with an air of
mystery -- but the fact that there are many comedy magicians who are
good entertainers may have less to do with the magic and more with the
comedy. A lot of them -- perhaps most -- would entertain JUST AS WELL
without ANY MAGIC AT ALL. This seems to me to indicate that they are
not PRIMARILY magicians, though many do fine magic.
There are many different ways of presenting magic -- as a vehicle for
comedy, as an aesthetic visual experience, as spectacle, and as
mystery; it is my own view that the PRIMARY value of magic lies in its
mysterious aspect, a quality which it perhaps shares only with special
effects in films and with no other live performance. I feel that when
people go to see a magic show they expect to see magic -- and many
times I have sat in a Magic Castle or other audience and heard people
grumble because they wanted magic and were getting comedy; note that
this happened even when they liked the comedy.
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