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Msg #30000 Dated 20:12:42 12-26-91 -> 30004
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Having watched Eugene perform for humans, I would just like to observe
that they don't seem precious to ordinary people; granted there are not
all that many people who can carry this off as does Eugene. What I
find fascinating is how few even try.
Msg #30001 Dated 20:15:58 12-26-91 -> 30003
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
David -- the further along we get in this discussion the less I have
the faintest notion of what you are talking about. Magic as an art is
something that is perceived, yes? If I have genuine magical powers and
use them to cause a lead disk in your hand to change to a gold coin --
or if I do the same thing by some move outta Bobo -- how do you know
the difference? The whole idea of performance magic is to simulate
REAL MAGIC. If something is impossible and I can do it, I can do magic
-- in the perception of the spectator. A few centuries from now we may
have transporter technology that will allow us to dematerialize objects
from one spot and make them reappear in another -- and at that point
illusions which simulate that will be effectively meaningless as
vehicles (pardon the pun) for creating a sense of magic.
However -- life goes on, and new mysteries open up. Do you remember
the Saturn fly-by, and the faces of the people at JPL when they saw the
BRAIDED rings? They learned a great deal from that fly-by -- and what
they learned opened up whole new areas of what they not only didn't
know but hadn't previously conceived could exist.
I suppose the simplest argument against your thesis is that
technology has been improving our store of knowledge since the time of
the Greeks -- and it hasn't affected magic at all. Some things that
used to be done are not done now because technology duplicates them --
but new things are being done in magic that couldn't have been
conceived of then. There will ALWAYS be mystery -- and thus there will
always be magic.
Msg #30002 Dated 23:21:52 12-26-91 -> 30008
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DATES
Thanks TA... appreciate it... stay tuned!
Msg #30003 Dated 23:21:55 12-26-91 -> 30009
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
If he don't I got a nice globe that fits in your pocket. Shows the
whooooole world...
Msg #30004 Dated 23:21:58 12-26-91 -> 30005
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Good point ... Charlie Miller used to say much the same thing, that
most of the comedic magicians didn't know how to do magic and
many weren't very funny either!
Msg #30005 Dated 23:22:03 12-26-91 30000 <--> 30010
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Gee, I just noticed that your last message was Nr. 30,000 -- wowzo.
Uh, lets see... Eugene Burger... well it is all of him that
creates the mystery... and I don't see anyone else that looks and
carries themselves in the same way Burger does. Or speaks, paces,
plans the magic in the same way. He has his own!!
Msg #30006 Dated 23:22:10 12-26-91 -> 30030
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ALMOST...
jeryy
jerry almost made it got to your message and it froze but am doing this
without re logging on...??? Uh. it needed me to hit enter after my
name and password... will go in and see if i can fix... sorry so crude
here typing online as fast as can... byby
Msg #30008 Dated 23:38:49 12-26-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DATES
Thanks TA... appreciate it... stay tuned!
Msg #30009 Dated 23:38:52 12-26-91 -> 30015
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
If he don't I got a nice globe that fits in your pocket. Shows the
whooooole world...
Msg #30010 Dated 23:38:56 12-26-91 -> 30011
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Good point ... Charlie Miller used to say much the same thing, that
most of the comedic magicians didn't know how to do magic and
many weren't very funny either!
Msg #30011 Dated 23:39:01 12-26-91 30000 <--> 30024
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Gee, I just noticed that your last message was Nr. 30,000 -- wowzo.
Uh, lets see... Eugene Burger... well it is all of him that
creates the mystery... and I don't see anyone else that looks and
carries themselves in the same way Burger does. Or speaks, paces,
plans the magic in the same way. He has his own!!
Msg #30012 Dated 23:39:07 12-26-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ALMOST...
still no luck on Private message upload and this is manual in real time
got
ERROR 9, LINE 12: waitquiet3 forever ; wait upload to end
Msg #30014 Dated 23:42:23 12-26-91 -> 30031
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
I just came back from an enjoyable evening at Geno's Magic
Parlor. The Continental has given him an intimate room that can
accommodate around 50 people, a stage, piano, and a few tables.
The show has music, magic, and comedy throughout. The featured
magician is Geno himself capturing audience's attention and
emotions with his unique mix of comedy, mentalism, and magic.
After another musical interlude, Gary Darwin is introduced,
performing a Zombie routine that even Pete would find difficult
to dislike. Gary continues with several classics including
thimbles, and closing with The Miser's Dream.
Geno promotes close-up magic in the show literature, as opposed
to some magician on stage with no real audience involvement. In a
room this size, I can imagine maybe one or two close-up workers
having the chance to polish their skills before the show to set
the stage for things to come. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to
recruit some of the local club members to volunteer a night or
two apiece.
If anyone is planning to visit Vegas soon, be sure to stop in to
the Continental Hotel and show your support.
Good luck Geno,
David (the other one)
Msg #30015 Dated 0:22:47 12-27-91 -> 30016
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Two problems. One, you are supposed to sleep with your head towards
the North and your feet towards the South. Two, you ARE NOT supposed
tp SLEEP ON the crystal, that's why your back hurts !
Msg #30016 Dated 0:22:50 12-27-91 -> 30017
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
No I hav'nt seen them nor have I heard anything about them. Current
ASCII is only a 7-bit code, with the ANSI graphics taking the top
128 positions. What are they adding that would require a 16 bit
character set ??
Msg #30017 Dated 0:22:53 12-27-91 -> 30018
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yes, magic is more than just a process when it is done correctly.
Unfortunately, many magic merely treat it as a process, i.e. learn
the technique, add some sort of lame story, and bore the crap out of
everyone - while internally thinking how wonderful they are.
Msg #30018 Dated 0:22:55 12-27-91 -> 30019
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
One doesn't have to know the actual size of the two sets as long as
we assume they are finite. Therefore, when a member of the impossible
set moves into the possible set, the relative sizes have changed by
one. The relative percentage change is unknown, since the total is
unknown.
Msg #30019 Dated 0:22:59 12-27-91 -> 30020
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Right a magical process. Those that know the process perform the
magic. To me computers are still magic, since I can't reproduce the
process by which the 'magicians' make the chips.
Msg #30020 Dated 0:23:03 12-27-91 -> 30021
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Do you ever see effects that you don't want to know how they are
done, just so you can continue to get a good 'WOW'. Whenever I see
something that I personally like, I first ask the question, "Would
the effect work for me - I mean my personality, venue, etc.", if the
answer is no - I just let it be.
Msg #30021 Dated 0:23:07 12-27-91 -> 30025
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Re: Card in wallet - they don't suspect technology, but do they
suspect magic or just some clever manipulation ?
Msg #30022 Dated 0:23:09 12-27-91 -> 30055
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCRIPT
Pete the MAGICLOG and MAGICREP files are already compiled, they
should work as is. The ^M is a carriage return and is needed.
Msg #30023 Dated 0:23:12 12-27-91 -> 30047
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Yea, I think they gave up sacrificing people and use symbolic dolls
now days.
Msg #30024 Dated 0:23:15 12-27-91 -> 30041
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I think the point Burger is making is that your effects should 'seem'
magical - not just tricks ! The use of a mysterious story is one of
the easier ways to accomplish this. Of course, if you are comedian,
then mystery has less of a place.
.
I don't think he advocates 'everyone' doing just mystery. It has
become more appropriate to 'his' personna, but I don't think he feels
everyone should copy it. If it works for you do it. Actually the key
is to know 'who' you are and plan your act accordingly.
.
The logic and thinking process he advocates is applicable to any kind
of act or personna.
Msg #30025 Dated 0:23:21 12-27-91 -> 30026
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I hope you are kidding regarding STING, if not ST stands for Star
Trek, STNG stands for Star Trek New Generation. Verstadt ??
Msg #30026 Dated 0:34:28 12-27-91 -> 30027
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Bicycle away/Roller skates back/Real magic DOES exist
Great! Nathan is now fascinated with juggling. I don't know how to do
that stuff. When you come in January, can you show him?
Msg #30027 Dated 0:35:54 12-27-91 -> 30028
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Hey, you think the sleight of hand folks got troubles with Carpel
Tunnel Syndrome, you should be glad you ain't a mentalist!
Msg #30028 Dated 0:37:23 12-27-91 -> 30032
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Centipede in the laptop computer -
ARGH! A GENUINE BUG! Friend of mine swears that he was once
installing an IBM MAINFRAME when they found a small plastic bag full of
plastic spiders in it. There was a note that said, "We know there are
bugs, we just didn't know where they were - so you can install 'em."
Msg #30030 Dated 0:44:22 12-27-91 30006 <--> 30061
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALMOST...
If you don't put a ^M after your name and password (where it defines
name and password) then you have to add a line TRANSMIT "^M" after
TRANSMIT USER_NAME and TRANSMIT PASSWORD. Either way will work !
Msg #30031 Dated 0:44:25 12-27-91 30014 <--> 30045
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Sounds great - where is the Continental Hotel (I know its in Vegas
but where bouts) ??
Msg #30032 Dated 0:40:39 12-27-91 -> 30033
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Indeed, "Para" can mean those things - 1) beside : along side of :
beyond : aside from. 2a) closely related to. 2b) involving substitution
at or characterized by two opposite positions in the benzine (blah,
blah). 3a) Faulty : abnormal. 3b) associated in a subsidiary or
accessory capacity. 3c) Closely resembling : almost.
I just don't prefer it. And, we've been down this road before, and you
already know that I am anti-semantic.
But, to move on to the weightier matters at hand - your question of how
one can discuss the first (magic as a performing art) without including
the second (magic in the abstract) - I agree! It cannot and should not
be done! But it sounded to me like we were defining the abstract
without relating it back to the concrete and I wanted to learn more
about how to connect the two. Can you help me do that?
Msg #30033 Dated 0:48:48 12-27-91 -> 30034
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yes, Cy, but do card tricks and egg bags "amuse and entertain" because
they are puzzles? Or because they are "magic"?
Msg #30034 Dated 0:53:53 12-27-91 -> 30035
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I really do believe that there is real magic - that it affects the
dreams and visions of the human spirit. That there is something to
"wisdom of the ancients." I do not believe that Doug Henning ever had
a unicorn in his garden.
Msg #30035 Dated 0:55:44 12-27-91 -> 30036
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Really? I thought that the Director of the Patent Office made the
statement. Guess I'll have to go digging.
Msg #30036 Dated 0:59:49 12-27-91 30001 <--> 30037
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Gee, T A, the further along the conversation got, the MORE I understood
what you were saying! (Or, at least, thought I did). I've been trying
to use this conversation as a learning experience, not as an attempt to
rebut any of the points you (and Max) have made. And, frankly, it has
been most helpful to me.
I did postulate my original thesis because it is a matter that has been
of some concern to me. I see a lot of "magic" but much of it somehow
doen't seem very magical - so I wondered if there was a way to reach
beyond that step.
Your JPL/Saturn analogy is EXCELLENT and I appreciate it.
I guess that I may have a jaundiced view when I presume that in
centuries past, people more readily believed in magic than they seem to
now. Perhaps that has something to do with it?
Msg #30037 Dated 1:07:20 12-27-91 30015 <--> 30038
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: North-South
Damn! I knew I got the instructions wrong! Problem #1 is that my
house doesn't run North-South - it is 45 degrees or so off! Problem #2
is that I bought my compass in Switzerland and never properly
recalibrated it. Will hang the crystal over my terminal - maybe that
will help with VisualBasic - nothing else does!
Msg #30038 Dated 1:10:39 12-27-91 30016 <--> 30039
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Big discussions going on over what will be in it (new ASCII) - most of
the World's major alphabets will be included, but I'm sure you can see
where some problems develop there.
Msg #30039 Dated 1:13:09 12-27-91 30017 <--> 30052
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I was replying to your statement, "As Pete said, transmitting pictures
of people from all over the world into a little box in his house is
'magic' to him, to those that understand the technology involved its
just a process."
Wouldn't that also be true of performing magic?
Msg #30040 Dated 1:16:19 12-27-91 29977 <--> 30066
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BUSBY
Thanks for posting the new Busby info, Cy. Yep, he's traded Oakland
for Idaho.
Msg #30041 Dated 1:19:18 12-27-91 -> 30042
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Thank you for that message, Cy! I have a personal view, though, that
there DOES have to be some mystery in magic - that when it is performed
without mystery it can often be entertaining, baffling, and even
astounding, but I don't know for sure if it is "magic."
I believe that Scarne, as an example, billed what he did largely as
"sleight of hand" rather than as "magic." And it is perfectly OK to
entertain with skill - but is it "magic"?
Msg #30042 Dated 1:24:00 12-27-91 30000 <--> 30067
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Congratulations on sending message # 30,000, T A! Actually, that is
the 40,000th message on MAGIC!, since we renumbered last year!
Msg #30045 Dated 1:31:37 12-27-91 30014 <--> 30105
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
WOW! Thanks for the immediate review of Geno's new room and Geno's
show, David! That is GREAT! I'm looking forward to seeing it as soon
as I can - which will probably be just before DMS.
Msg #30046 Dated 1:29:50 12-27-91 -> 30048
From: BARRY GITELSON
To: ALL
Re: HAWAII MAGIC SPECTACULAR
February 15th is the date for the the sixth annual Magic Spectacular to
be held at the Aloha theatre in Kainaliu-Kona, Hawaii. Two shows
...one at 2:30 and evening show at 7:00pm. This years special guests
will be Les and Terri Au with performances by many Big Island magi.
Our Big Island Magic Club is always on the lookout for lectures ...so
if you are going to be on the island give me a call... or leave message
here!
Msg #30047 Dated 1:33:52 12-27-91 30023 <--> 30056
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Right now I'm in the middle of readin' Anne Rice's The Witching Hour.
No Druids, but some symbolic dolls. Book is almost the size of the
Stuart James.
Msg #30048 Dated 1:36:28 12-27-91 30046 <--> 30799
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: HAWAII MAGIC SPECTACULAR
Thanks for your message, Barry! Please tell Les and Terri hello from
me! Can we assume that you will cover the Magic Spectacular for
MAGIC!?
Msg #30050 Dated 5:48:11 12-27-91 -> 30068
From: RICK RUHL
To: ALL
Re: WOWSA
Hi gang, long time no type.
Had to call and tell about an experience that I had last night. Went to
a friends party and just took two tricks a thumb tip and the insurance
policy trick. Well I knew the host would ask me to do some magic and
he did, and something just blew me away. I did the vanishing silk with
the thumbtip and that was ok, but I did the insurance policy trick and
got the biggest response on a trick I ever have gottten. EVERYONE
oooooed and ahhhed. I could not believe such a simple (and cheap)
effect could gather a response like that. You'd have thought I'd madea
jet plane disappear (hehe).
Anyway I guess I learned something last night. It's not the price of
the trick, but how you present it and how you lead someone to the
suprise.
Happy Hoildays.
Ricker
Msg #30052 Dated 9:08:43 12-27-91 30017 <--> 30053
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I don't have it handy to quote accurately, but the gist of what
Ponsin, in Ponsin on Magic... is:
"What other entertianment can hold up in a social gathering...
Singing, discussion, dancing... all boring and after and hour or
so will lose everyone's attention. But magic, after five hours they
still continue to beg me for more!"
.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? Wonder how fast his clock was running?
Msg #30053 Dated 9:08:52 12-27-91 30019 <--> 30054
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
In Mexico they use a deep fry pan to make chips.
Msg #30054 Dated 9:08:55 12-27-91 30021 <--> 30057
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The entertaining magician (not necessarilly an all-out comedy one)
does the card in wallet and the audience DOES NOT SUSPECT ANYTHING.
It happens they are fooled and they are amazed and amused.
.
If they have time to 'SUSPECT' something then the magi better learn
to juggle or sing.
.
Hah, when you hear a nice tune do you 'SUSPECT' and wonder if they
used the Julliard method? Nah, it just happens and you tap your feet.
Msg #30055 Dated 9:09:06 12-27-91 30022 <--> 30168
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCRIPT
"should work" but don't quite. Just now used MAGICLOG and it
went in and grabbed messages, but at the end it just stalled at
the last menu, so I hammered my fist on the "G" key and it went
"Goodybye" and disconnected.
.
The MAGICREP one still gets a message error and is acting funny.
.
I did add the ^M after name and P word...
.
Problem is I NO NOTHING ABOUT WHAT MAKES THINGS HAPPEN with
scrips etc. what does ; mean what things are supposed to look like
and where they go... DUH...
Msg #30056 Dated 9:09:19 12-27-91 30023 <--> 30166
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Lots of big comanies still SACRIFICE people... as do armies.
Msg #30057 Dated 9:09:22 12-27-91 30025 <--> 30058
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Now I get it... not been around long enuf to have seen ST:TNG
wrote no place. Duh ;+)
Msg #30058 Dated 9:09:26 12-27-91 30026 <--> 30059
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The way to learn to juggle is to practice 20-minutes to 8-hours
a day. I hope my excercise machine gets me back to where I can
bend over again and then I will start to work on the Jug act again.
Msg #30059 Dated 9:09:30 12-27-91 30028 <--> 30062
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I like it... sounds better than the coke bottle in the door panels
of Buicks...
Msg #30061 Dated 9:09:39 12-27-91 30030 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ALMOST...
It had TRANSMIT "^M" on a line after name but didn't act, until I
moved the ^M as thus: "PETE BIRO^M" and removed TRANSMIT "^M" line.
So far only got the log version going not the rep...
Msg #30062 Dated 9:09:44 12-27-91 30033 <--> 30063
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Card Tricks and Egg Bags DO NOT AMUSE AND ENTERTAIN. They are not
puzzles... they are mere conduits for your personna... tools of the
trade... just like "Simon Sez" is a tool.
.
One thing that just popped into my head is that the only performing
art that has NON PERFORMERS stacked into its membership is magic.
.
You want to act? You want to sing? You want to dance?
.
You go to acting classes. You go to singing lessons. You go to dance
classes. Where do magicians go? To Tannens and Hollywood Magic
and something comes in the mail. They get a crappy piece of paper
with a brief description of what to do with the woo woo they just
bought. The bottom line says, "Easy as drinking Water... can be
in your show tonite!"
.
DOES THIS MAKE ANYTHING CLEAR?
Msg #30063 Dated 9:10:01 12-27-91 30034 <--> 30064
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
DOGLASS DOES BELIEVE THERE IS A UNICORN IN "HIS" GARDEN.
Msg #30064 Dated 9:10:05 12-27-91 30035 <--> 30065
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Don't dig. Go practice. Remember the Bill Switch Challenge...
IN LESS THAN THREE MONTHS....
Msg #30065 Dated 9:10:08 12-27-91 30036 <--> 30071
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
One of the problems with "seeing" most of your magic at the Magic
Castle is that the standards there are TOO LOW. There aren't enough
competent performers that can work for "scale" to fullfill the
needs of their show schedules.
.
If you only saw magician's in PROFESSIONAL settings, ie: Trade
shows, hospitality suites, comedy clubs, Vegas revue shows, etc.
then you would see a greater percentage of them DOING MAGIC.
Instead of a whole lot of folks doing magic. (Emphasis of the author)
Msg #30066 Dated 9:10:19 12-27-91 30040 <--> 30076
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BUSBY
Last time I visited Buzby's place in Oakland, I had to rush into
my car and lock the doors as there was a GANG across the street
yelling something at me... and then 2 Hookers tried to get into
the car as I started to drive off... The number of locks he had to
use and the size of the barbed wire was a bit of a pain too.
Msg #30067 Dated 9:10:25 12-27-91 30041 <--> 30077
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Magic is in the eye of the beholder.
Pete Biro, 1991
Msg #30068 Dated 9:10:29 12-27-91 30050 <--> 30070
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: WOWSA
You probably didn't know it, but they probably saw the funny
looking thumb and thought you were handicapped and were being
polite.
.
What's wrong with the Insurance Policy? It is to close up what the
Linking Rings are to stand up... A true Classic.
.
Hey... I wouldn't go to a laymen situation without my Jumbo 3 1/2
of Clubs! Johnny Paul never worked without his "Long Card" and it
goes on...
.
Reminds me of a story that I may have mentioned here a long while
back, but will repeat brief version for any newer lurkers.
.
Derek Dingle (top sleight of hand worker) had a party at his homme
for the people at his job (Air Conditioning Engr. firm) and by
chance I happened to be in town. As was Scotty York.
.
At one point it was SHOWTIME... I didn't really have a thing with
me. Derek did some amazing card stuff. York did some of his very
clever and well-known GREAT STUFF. Then Derek asked me to do some-
thing... I did several stupid bits, stuff from Encyclopedia of
Impromptu Magic and Jay Marshall's "Table Crap" video.
.
Knocked 'em dead.
.
Later Scotty came over and couldn't believe it... said, "I can't
figure it... I did all this amazing and clever stuff and only
a mild reaction. You did crap and tore them up!"
.
Scotty has since figured it out and HAS NOW COMBINED great stuff
with E N T E R T A I N I N G attitude and is one of the better
bar magicians around!
.
Besides, message #30050 IS ONE MORE VOTE IN MY FAVOR on the Great
Thumb Tip debate.
Msg #30069 Dated 9:11:13 12-27-91 -> 30169
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ALMOST
OK now the rep file worked just like the log... it uploaded and then
when it got to last message it stopped and I had to manually put in
the next command... if I wasn't doing this message I would have tyuped
G and been gone.. but did E to send this... OK? Getting closer. byeeey
Msg #30070 Dated 11:50:08 12-27-91 30050 <--> 30133
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: WOWSA
Sounds like you done good, Rick! It definitely ain't the price of the
trick - it is the performer! Congrats!
Msg #30071 Dated 11:53:45 12-27-91 30058 <--> 30072
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yeah, but before you can practice, you gotta know _what_ to practice!
I can only juggle one ball at a time, and I don't do that very well.
Guess I'll have to get the "Klutz Book of Juggling" (there really is
one!).
Msg #30072 Dated 11:55:52 12-27-91 30062 <--> 30073
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
All good, except that I would disagree with some of the "magic
bashing." There are LOTS of no talent singers and musicians around.
And there are a LOT of amateur singers and musicians who have no
ability but who enjoy doing the stuff. Otherwise, houses wouldn't come
with showers.
Msg #30073 Dated 11:57:43 12-27-91 30063 <--> 30074
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Henning is entitled to his Unicorn. No problem. Long as he doesn't
invite me over to pet it.
Msg #30074 Dated 11:58:34 12-27-91 30064 <--> 30075
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
AARRGGHH!!(tm - Biro) - Yeah, guess I'd better work on that bill
switch!
Msg #30075 Dated 11:59:45 12-27-91 30065 <--> 30078
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
You may have a point there. The Castle is both the best of places to
see MAGIC and the worst of places to see "magic." But I can't get into
hospitality suites - they don't let me get that close to cutlery.
Msg #30076 Dated 12:02:17 12-27-91 30066 <--> 30081
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BUSBY
Yeah, I've also found that Oakland isn't exactly the garden spot of the
New World. Guess we don't want to get into geo-political put downs
about it, but I would hope that Busby is happier in Idaho. Haven't
heard much from him since the move.
Msg #30077 Dated 12:05:10 12-27-91 30067 <--> 30082
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: "Magic is in the eye of the beholder. - Pete Biro, 1991."
That should be carved on the lintel of everyone's magic library.
Msg #30078 Dated 15:26:51 12-27-91 30071 <--> 30079
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
If you can juggle one ball. You should just do that with one IN
EACH HAND. Take that for awhile until it is natural. And all the
movement is in the wrists. Don't move the elbows much. Keep them
close into your body.
.
A heavier ball is better to work with. Tennis balls NG. The real
stuff is to use the professional LaCrosse Balls (white, good grip
and easy to work with). They are available at major sporting goods
stores.
.
The Klutz Book is good. Some come with bean bags to learn with.
.
I just saw a KILLER act using the scarves that are sold in racks
for beginning jugglers. Like the Insurance Policy in magic, the
scarves done well with great gestures and bits can be major league!
.
Is good excercise as you drop stuff and hafta pick it up... argh...
Msg #30079 Dated 15:27:09 12-27-91 30072 <--> 30080
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
OK... YOU HIT IT.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....
.
MAGIC DUMMIES DON'T DO IT IN THE SHOWER... if we could get 'em to
stay in the "shower" (or a little room with no room for a spectator,
then it would be gooooooooooooooooooooooood....
Msg #30080 Dated 15:27:15 12-27-91 30073 <--> 30085
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
How about to FEED IT?
Msg #30081 Dated 15:27:18 12-27-91 30076 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BUSBY
He is still unpacking!!!
Msg #30082 Dated 15:27:21 12-27-91 30077 <--> 30087
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
What's a "lintel"? A soup recipie? (<--- PIE?)...
OK, have magic.log and magic.rep working until the last command.
Will wait for instructions... at least its faster than using the
HOT KEYs... yargh...
Msg #30085 Dated 19:00:51 12-27-91 30078 <--> 30086
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Thanks for the advice, Pete. I'll try working on it - the kid wants to
learn - he thinks juggling is more amazing than most magic.
Msg #30086 Dated 19:02:15 12-27-91 30079 <--> 30091
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Hmmm... Maybe we should tell 'em that magic only works in the closet?
After all, now that everyone else is out of the closet, there's plenty
of room. Could do linking hangers, all kinda stuff.
P.S. - Today, while fixing the !@#$% fuel filler hose on the motorhome,
I perfected my technique for linking hose clamps. Now I'm gonna work
on linking fan belts. You think Goodyear would book me?
Msg #30087 Dated 19:05:29 12-27-91 30082 <--> 30096
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Lintel - "A horizontal architectural member spanning and usually
carrying the load above an opening." - it is what you are supposed to
stand under in an earthquake.
Msg #30088 Dated 19:21:47 12-27-91 -> 30093
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: ALL
Re: BIROSAN
Before 1991 ends, and during this Holiday Season, I just want to pay
tribute and thanks to someone who always seems to respond to not only
myself, but to all who post querys
for help, guidence, and all questions on Magic.
.
Although I haven't had the pleasure of meeting Pete, personally, thanks
to 'MAGIC', I feel as though he's a long time friend.
.
Pete Biro has been here this past year for me and for countless others
and we look forward to his continuing
contributions in the New Year.
.
Thank you Pete.
Msg #30091 Dated 20:37:47 12-27-91 30078 <--> 30094
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Am back in from a long day and am gonna drop off in a minute. Your
package arrived today. What a great surprise. Hahahaha. Excellent. I
have to assume it is from the BW stuff. What an excellent surprise. You
are an amazing dude. Gracias!!!!!
Msg #30093 Dated 21:36:29 12-27-91 30088 <--> 30099
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BIROSAN
At last year's Annual MAGIC! Meeting at the Desert Magic Seminar, Pete
Biro and Tabby Crabb were co-honored as our Outstanding Members. In
both cases, it was well deserved then and it has remained well deserved
now.
Msg #30094 Dated 23:01:10 12-27-91 30018 <--> 30095
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Why do you assume the impossible set is finite?
Msg #30095 Dated 23:02:04 12-27-91 30036 <--> 30097
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I don't see any evidence whatever that people are less ready to believe
in magic; the career of Uri Geller would seem to indicate that when
magic is presented AS REAL, it is (by a great number of people)
acceptes as such.
Msg #30096 Dated 23:03:21 12-27-91 30042 <--> 30098
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I had to time it VERY carefully...
Msg #30097 Dated 23:07:24 12-27-91 30086 <--> 30100
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
My research has just uncovered "Linking Smoke Rings"... a beautiful
routine by the Japanese magician, Sawa.
.
Stay tuned...
Msg #30098 Dated 23:07:30 12-27-91 30087 <--> 30110
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I would rather stand under a doorway in a town not having an
Earthquake... like Leno said, "The only people that will survive
a major quake will be homeless and hookers... they're always standing
in doorways...."
Msg #30099 Dated 23:07:35 12-27-91 30088 <--> 30101
From: PETE BIRO
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Aw Shucks... Bruce... gee... er.... uh.... Happy 92 2 U.... :+)
Msg #30100 Dated 23:07:38 12-27-91 30091 <--> 30102
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I had it hand tooled, leather bound and flown in from places far
away... (no, you were right, twas from the wonderful and amazing
piles of incredible literature from Byron Walker...) (Oh, this
book was safely placed under a Lentil...)
.
<. .>
*
-----
Msg #30101 Dated 23:07:47 12-27-91 30093 <--> 30112
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Duh,,, gee... arh...g... Still no experts have tole me what the
final problemo with Magic.log and Magic.Rep is ... be? Uh,
Be in touch.
Stay tuned.... byaall
Msg #30102 Dated 23:07:04 12-27-91 30062 <--> 30103
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Relative to this -- in today's mail was a flyer from The Learning
Annex; what I learned is that Joycee Beck is teaching magic through
said organization and Mark Edward is teaching mentalism.
Msg #30103 Dated 23:08:44 12-27-91 30072 <--> 30104
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The difference is that MOST (not all) no-talent singers and dancers are
rarely hired for professional gigs, let alone have long pro careers.
As someone who acted for several years in NYC -- and perhaps Wayne will
want to make some observations here -- I found that nearly every one I
worked with of any skill had undergone training; classes, coaches, what
not. Many times I have said that if you took a singer, dancer or actor
of the competence of the AVERAGE professional magician -- that singer
or dancer or actor couldn't get work; their competency level would
simply be too low. Certainly I saw exceptions in theater -- but that's
what they were, exceptions. In magic -- "not so good" tends to be the
rule.
Msg #30104 Dated 23:13:01 12-27-91 30073 <--> 30106
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I HAVE petted a unicorn; very nice fellow he was too. He was very calm
and pleasant with me, though, so there goes that myth about such
creatures and virgins...
Msg #30105 Dated 23:21:01 12-27-91 30031 <--> 30165
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
The Continental Hotel is on the corner of Flamingo and Paradise.
If you're coming from the airport, just exit onto Paradise and
follow it about two miles north. You can't miss it. You just
might miss Geno's Parlor though, if you enter the casino from the
south entrance, there's a Bellman desk inside the door that sells
tickets. The Parlor is upstairs on the left, kind of hard to find
if you're not really looking for it.
Are you planning on coming soon? (CES perhaps?) If so give me a
call, my number is 435-4748.
David (the other one)
Msg #30106 Dated 0:09:06 12-28-91 30095 <--> 30107
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
You could be right. I noticed that a new Palm & Tarot Reader opened
shop in my neighborhood - practically every corner in this area has a
donut store, an auto parts store, a video store, a nail shop and a
reader. Sort of an interesting commentary on the San Fernando Valley
lifestyle.
Msg #30107 Dated 0:11:34 12-28-91 30097 <--> 30108
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
WOW! Linking Smoke Rings sound terrific! I GOTTA see the routine!
Msg #30108 Dated 0:13:33 12-28-91 30103 <--> 30109
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
OK, so howcum the incompetent magi get such perks? Why does "not so
good" get hired?
Msg #30109 Dated 0:14:40 12-28-91 30104 <--> 30114
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Gee - THAT is supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE! You sure you weren't petting
a eunuch instead of a unicorn? It should be easy to tell the
difference if you remember that the unicorn is the one _with_ the horn.
Would certainly be most interested in more info on this event - it
doesn't seem to be in your bio in The Encyclopedia!
Msg #30110 Dated 0:19:49 12-28-91 30096 <--> 30111
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Why would you have had to time it? You're a mentalist - you would KNOW
when to write the 30,000th message! Or does the stuff not work with
silicone life forms?
Msg #30111 Dated 0:20:56 12-28-91 30098 <--> 30128
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
RE: Leno's earthquake/doorway/homeless/hooker line.
THAT is FUNNY! Almost makes me want to watch television again.
Msg #30112 Dated 0:21:54 12-28-91 30101 <--> 30118
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIROSAN
I don't speak Magic.Log and Magic.Rep. You gotta talk to Burton on
those.
Msg #30114 Dated 0:48:19 12-28-91 30017 <--> 30115
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Jerry,
Ever heard "Bloody Rotten Audience" by Eric Bogle?
Interesting similarities in your point.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30115 Dated 0:48:24 12-28-91 30018 <--> 30116
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Actually, the relative sizes would change by two. Set a losing
one and set b gaining one.
However, I don't believe these particular sets to be finite. Now
we can get into magnitudes of infinity. Oh boy!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30116 Dated 0:48:30 12-28-91 30034 <--> 30117
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
What is Doug Henning doing now? He was so big for a while, but I
haven't heard about him for a long time.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30117 Dated 0:48:35 12-28-91 30037 <--> 30119
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
David,
Where can I get a copy of Visual Basic? I think it would be fun
to throw another language into my repertoire.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30118 Dated 0:48:40 12-28-91 30088 <--> 30129
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Here here!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30119 Dated 0:48:44 12-28-91 30104 <--> 30120
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
T.A.,
Do tell....
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30120 Dated 9:45:50 12-28-91 30116 <--> 30121
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Others may have better info on Doug Henning. Last I heard he was
helping to develop MeditationLand in Orlando, Florida. It is a new
theme park based on religious principles.
Msg #30121 Dated 9:47:13 12-28-91 30117 <--> 30122
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
If you are a registered QuickBasic or Basic owner, Microsoft has an
upgrade available and you should have gotten a letter about it.
Otherwise, check one of the software stores. It is an object oriented
programming language - don't know if I can recommend it yet.
Msg #30122 Dated 10:08:11 12-28-91 30095 <--> 30123
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
People (a great number... too many... really) are READY TO BELIEVE
IN ANYTHING... Tammy Fay Baker, et al, are perfect examples.
.
Lets talk about the religion we need to start up next time I get to
the Castle...
Msg #30123 Dated 10:08:18 12-28-91 30102 <--> 30124
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Gee, that should be goooood?
Msg #30124 Dated 10:08:21 12-28-91 30103 <--> 30125
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
You are helping my cause... We need "hit men" to go about and
KI... er no, maybe just use paintball guns...
Msg #30125 Dated 10:08:25 12-28-91 30106 <--> 30126
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Make sure you go shopping in the right order. Get a part for your
car, have your nails done, then your palm read... one the way home
FORGET the video store... practice magic. Oh, when you do your nails
take the thumb tip along... HEY WHY NOT?
.
Finn Jon does.
Msg #30126 Dated 10:08:32 12-28-91 30107 <--> 30127
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Since you are number 83 on my FISM to TOKYO trip... we will ask
SAWA to do the Linking Smoke Rings for you... or read the effect
and see the pictures in the book. (I am not going to go look for
the title... but it is a collection of Japanese magician's work,
published by Richard K.)
Msg #30127 Dated 10:08:39 12-28-91 30108 <--> 30130
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Because they are pushy, have great brochures (remember the Wells
and Biro method of detection... the better the brochure... the
lousier the act!!!!!!!) and usually work ONCE... and from then on
they hire slightly better Jugglers and Singers...
Msg #30128 Dated 10:08:45 12-28-91 30111 <--> 30140
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Tuesday nights at 11:35 for about 7-minutes is not a lot of TV time.
Just program your brain... My trubble is I am now staying up til 3am
watching Dr. Who.
Msg #30129 Dated 10:08:50 12-28-91 30112 <--> 30141
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Magic log is found in the Northwest. Magic rep works for Tannen.
Msg #30130 Dated 10:08:52 12-28-91 30116 <--> 30131
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
He has been said to be involved with THE (or A) Maharishi and the
are planning a Theme Park... with unicorns running around, for sure.
.
Also, I heard that he again has an L.A. phone nr....?
Msg #30131 Dated 10:08:58 12-28-91 30121 <--> 30132
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Arghhhhhhhhhh.... spent the last two days trying to get an OCR
program to read text... not worth it... so am typing a jillion
words fo' da book...
.
Seabrooke just sent me a set of engineering drawings for making a
locking key (perhaps the first one ever) along with the manuscript.
.
Is from an OLD long gone UK dealer, writer, mfgr! A Jewel for the
boooook....wheeeeeeeeeeeeee
.
Stay tuned.
Msg #30132 Dated 11:08:02 12-28-91 30126 <--> 30134
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I had a chance to look thru a copy of Sawa's book, but I didn't notice
the linking smoke rings. Sawa does some VERY interesting stuff and I
would love to see him work.
Msg #30133 Dated 11:09:48 12-28-91 30068 <--> 30135
From: RICK RUHL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WOWSA
Pete:
I was just amazed at the response that it got. My thumb tip vanish
was good and got some 'ooooooohhhhhhss' but it was the insurance poliey
that everyone went wacko over.
BTW< did you ever get another dish? I'm goning on 3 years with mine and
cant live without it...still dont have KU though.
Ricker
Msg #30134 Dated 11:09:51 12-28-91 30127 <--> 30136
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Lousy magicians are pushy and have great brochures.
I don't believe that that is the whole answer, Pete. T A says they
have "long careers." There must be more to the story - don't booking
agents check out videos, etc.? Aren't most of them skilled enough to
tell a doctored video when they see one?
Msg #30135 Dated 11:11:35 12-28-91 30070 <--> 30142
From: RICK RUHL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WOWSA
Now if all my shows could gather that response, I'd be as rich as all
your pro's.
BTW, I;ve stopped working 18 hour days so I hope Im back for
good...barring other projects.
Msg #30136 Dated 11:12:45 12-28-91 30131 <--> 30138
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
OCR programs are dicey at best. I've had mixed results with them, but
I have never had a chance to really try the top of the line ones.
Msg #30138 Dated 11:16:30 12-28-91 30117 <--> 30139
From: RICK RUHL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I wouldnt use visual Basic if you want to write windows programs. Quick
C for Windows or Turbo C for Windows is much better.
ALso , a good book to get ya started is the Petzold book. It taught me
what I know..
(so much for Topic drift)
Ricker
Msg #30139 Dated 11:16:54 12-28-91 30125 <--> 30155
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Thanks for the _tip_! Obviously, if one has one's nails done, one
should have one's thumb tip done at the same time. My fancy,
expensive, custom made thumb tip HAS a nail to match my own!
Msg #30140 Dated 11:22:26 12-28-91 30128 <--> 30179
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Tuesday nights at 11:35 is when I'm usually working on MAGIC! Maybe
you can have Leno phone me and tell me the good stuff?
Msg #30141 Dated 11:23:18 12-28-91 30129 <--> 30145
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BIROSAN
RE: Magic log in NW/Magic rep at Tannen's.
Good un!
Msg #30142 Dated 11:23:51 12-28-91 30135 <--> 30185
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: WOWSA
Glad to have you back here, Rick! Yeah, I know about those 18 hour
days!
Msg #30145 Dated 11:44:33 12-28-91 30088 <--> 30170
From: MIKE KING
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Here! Here! Pete, it's been great getting to know you in 1991. Hope
the best to you and yours in 1992. And a very HAPPY NEW YEAR to you
Bruce and all the "loggers" of MAGIC,tm. Bets of luck to all in '92.
Msg #30146 Dated 12:16:10 12-28-91 -> 30190
From: DOC EASON
To: ALL
Re: HOLIDAY GREETINGS
The crowds are in aspen and Snowmass and so are the celebs...CChasewas
in last night and dustin Hoffamn is rumored to be in the area. Lots
more in aspen the capital of Papparazzi these days. Happy new year.
More snow due on Monday...we need it. Springl like conditions prevail
and it is beautiful.
Msg #30147 Dated 12:19:03 12-28-91 -> 30151
From: DOC EASON
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: NEWYEARS
thanks for the long phone call. I hope your puter is back by now.
ship me that copy of wrd when you get a c
hance. have a safe and sane nyeve.
Msg #30148 Dated 12:31:43 12-28-91 -> 30175
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
MAGIC!-NL Fri 27 Dec 91 04:54
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
From:Tommy Wonder
To:Jerry Burton
reply to msg. 1052
I understand what you say, and generally it is the same way with
me. But sometimes, when a performer really gets me
involved.....then personally it is not all that important to me
wether I understand the trick or not. Let me tell you what I saw
a few years ago, in Nashville. It was the best thing I saw during
a tour of lectures for a few weeks. Alan Okawa, from Hawaii
showed me the torn and restored cigarette paper. As far as the
method goes, nothing special, just the Nate Leipzig routine (but
without the second part with the fake explanation). So method
wise I was not fooled at all, but what a great performance! It
was exciting, very clear, full of suspense, I could almost feel
the paper tear. Never have I seen anybody perform this effect so
well. And the great thing was that the moment the paper was shown
to be restored, it was RESTORED, I mean the pieces welded
together! That is how it felt to me. It was real magic. I think
that his performance was proof that, if you get the spectator
emotionally involved, and when the performer himself really
believes the effect, that that works contagious and you get the
emotion, the feeling as well. Before the restoration, I was
already emotionally involved, it was so dramatic. And then when
the paper was restored, emotionally I believed it. For me it was
pure magic!
When I turned around, I saw a bunch of guys, playing with their
decks of cards, they practiced their double lift, pass or
whatever, even while watching Alan perform. The annoying thing
was, that they looked at each other wondering why I got so
excited, like: "There was not a new move there, was there?", or
"Why is Tommy Wonder excited, this is all old stuff". I think
that for some, knowing the method of an effect becomes an
obstacle to get emotionally involved, and then there cannot
possibly be a magic experience. Although I must admit that with
most magicians it is impossible to get emotionally involved,
simply because these performers do not try to get you involved on
an emotional level at all, they only do the trick. But performers
like Alan Okawa, they get to you, they play with you. For me it
was magic, and I will never forget it.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, +31-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #30149 Dated 12:34:52 12-28-91 29519 <-
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN
Hey Doc!
Nice to see you on here. I had you down for a letter to send congrats
on the Genii thing. How's things? If you have questions about this
board you'll find our sysop a wizard, and a nice guy too.
Msg #30150 Dated 20:36:13 12-28-91 -> 30176
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: PROBLEMS
Yes, for the past 24 hours or so, we have seemingly had some systems
problems that have mostly occurred whenever I was away from the system.
I may have a handle on the cause and will be working on it some tonite.
Msg #30151 Dated 21:48:44 12-28-91 30147 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: NEWYEARS
Ok, I will ship same however I misplaced your address. Please leave it
for me here, Thanks! Oh, by the way, I ordered 4 meg ram chips todayand
will have it by monday. Have you been able to upload messages like you
wanted to? If so, how you do it (format?)
Msg #30152 Dated 21:58:15 12-28-91 -> 30182
From: MIKE KING
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
Hi there! Hope you've been having a good holiday season. Need to ask
a favor. I am in the need of a very strong mental effect. I would
like to use items that might have been around in the Sixth Century.
Should run about three minutes( at the longest) and play well on stage
for a large audience (Say 500). Any ideas? I hope so. Give me a
shout either here or via Ma Bell, if you can help. Thanking you in
advance. MIKE. P.S. My land-line is (213) 856-5652.
Msg #30153 Dated 22:33:41 12-28-91
From: DOC EASON
To: SCOTT ALCALY
Re: DR'S ADR
Thx...why did it say that your name is not registered in this system?
my adr is Box 50/Basalt, CO 81621
no I havent figured out how to do anything fancy...I just have to wait
and call in late at night,. I am still working on it however. Will
keep you posted.
Msg #30154 Dated 22:40:24 12-28-91 -> 30192
From: DOC EASON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BRONCOS/RAIDERS
sorry about the raider game today. we're happy here because we know we
can beat the chiefs! Here's one...One of the last service men in the
middle east was sweeping up and found a lamp...when he rubbed the lamp
a genii appeared and said that he would grant one wish...the sm pulled
out a middle east map and said,"I'd like to have peace throughout this
entire region."..The genii said, Well theyve been fighting here for
thousands of years, i dont think i can pull this one off...do you have
a second wish?...The sm says, well then, Id like to see the broncos win
a super bowl...and the genii says "let me take another look at that
map"\ We love dem bums.
Msg #30155 Dated 23:27:37 12-28-91 30037 <--> 30156
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Are you messin' with visual basic ? I looked at it and decided it
wasn't worth the effort. I guess I'm old fashioned I need to be able
to see the whole program at once - can't deal with languages that
hide things from me. Had the same trouble with Prolog, never could
figure out why the damn thing worked !
Msg #30156 Dated 23:27:41 12-28-91 30039 <--> 30157
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yes, that's why there are some magic 'processes' I don't want to
know - it spoils the magic for me. Magic tricks are a lot like
riddles - once you know the answer you are disappointed in how
obvious and simple the answer really is.
Msg #30157 Dated 23:27:44 12-28-91 30052 <--> 30158
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Five hours ?? Egad, if I have learned nothing else from this board,
its that if you are asked to do something - do one thing well and
leave them wanting more, but five hours - no way.
.
It like the line, "A guy asked me if I liked card tricks", I said no,
so he only showed me ten.
Msg #30158 Dated 23:27:49 12-28-91 30053 <--> 30159
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE:Mexican chips - In Thailand they must Wok 'em out by the thousands
Msg #30159 Dated 23:27:52 12-28-91 30054 <--> 30160
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Card in Wallet.
.
But do they think you caused the card to travel to the wallet by
paranormal means ? They think you used some clever sleight - NOT
REAL MAGIC !
.
Amazed and amused yes, witnesses to magic in the ancient sense of
magic - NO.
Msg #30160 Dated 23:27:58 12-28-91 30062 <--> 30161
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
'Conduits for your personna' - I like that ! You wax poetic.
.
The really sad thing is that many people 'perform' the effect JUST
LIKE it is written up in the crappy instructions and put no more
thought into it. I don't know how stuff I have bought over the years
that just sits in the cupboard - it just isn't me and never will be.
.
As a kid, I used to buy magic out of the Johnson & Johnson catalog
and dutifully tried to 'perform' it as written. Finally figured out
that I had to make it 'mine'.
.
Wish there was something equavalent to a Magic coach as there are in
acting and singing. Many magi just play 'can you top this' rather tha
n playing off one another to their mutual benefit.
Msg #30161 Dated 23:28:05 12-28-91 30064 <--> 30162
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Being a dyed (or is that died) in the wool TT man, I would be happy
to act as an impartial judge for the Bill Switch Challenge.
Msg #30162 Dated 23:28:08 12-28-91 30065 <--> 30163
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I may agree with your statement concerning venues other than the
Magic Castle, if you would leave out comedy clubs. The only decent
magic I've ever seen in a comedy club was Max at the Icehouse.
.
It's not that the Castle's standards are too low - the pay is.
I would agree that maybe 60-70 % of the acts are just average as far
as real magic, but the other 30-40 % makes up for it. The best magic
takes place in the downstairs bar area, not necessarily in the show
rooms - as you well know.
Msg #30163 Dated 23:28:14 12-28-91 30094 <--> 30171
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
One has to assume the impossible set is either finite or infinite. I
choose finite as it makes my argument plausible.
.
Impossible has several meanings depending on the context. It means
something not yet possible, e.g. Airplanes in the 15th century, it
was not possible at that time, hence impossible. On the other hand
it can mean something that can never be possible, e.g. an amoeba
learning human speech.
.
It's almost 2 am and my brain just went - I'll have to give this
whole subject some more thought.
Msg #30165 Dated 23:28:24 12-28-91 30105 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Will be there for DMS in March - this is ski season, so I limit my
travel to that for the next few months. See you then. Have some new
stuff to show as well.
Msg #30166 Dated 23:28:27 12-28-91 30047 <--> 30167
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
I'm about half way through a book my daughter sent me for Christmas,
Mind & Magic - an illustrated encyclopedia of the mysterious &
unexplained. Quite interesting - very braod brush treatment of about
every wierd thing on the planet.
Msg #30167 Dated 23:28:30 12-28-91 30056 <--> 30197
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
RE: Sacrifice
.
Amen bro - that's why I left them 15 years ago. Huge Aircraft thought
they owned my soul as a condition of employment.
Msg #30168 Dated 23:28:33 12-28-91 30055 <--> 30198
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SCRIPT
Just relax at the end of the MAGICLOG it will automatically send
a G to log you off AFTER 3 SECONDS of no data coming over phone line.
.
As for the MAGICREP it is almost the same as MAGICLOG, why don't
you print out what you now have for MAGICLOG.ASP and fax it to me
at (714) 535-5432 and I'll see if I can see what's wrong.
.
Had an idea, I'll fire up the PCPLUS Host mode and you can log into
my machine and just download the file or better yet let me log into
your machine and I'll just fix it for you.
Msg #30169 Dated 23:28:39 12-28-91 30069 <--> 30199
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALMOST
You are'nt waiting long enough at the end - have patience !
.
Or as the buzzard said, "Patience my A__ I'm gonna kill somethin'"
Msg #30170 Dated 23:28:42 12-28-91 30088 <--> 30189
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: BIROSAN
You is right on Bruce. Pete is A #1 good guy. Hope you have a good ye
ar as well. Let's go see Johnnie again soon, when I don't have to run
some where else - enjoyed it.
Msg #30171 Dated 23:28:45 12-28-91 30114 <--> 30172
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I'm not familiar with the Bogle bit, please enlighten me.
Msg #30172 Dated 23:28:47 12-28-91 30115 <--> 30173
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Could point relative size would change by two. Since neither one of
can prove whether the sets are finite or infinite - then its perfectl
y acceptable for each of us to have own viewpoint and leave it at
that.
Msg #30173 Dated 23:28:51 12-28-91 30120 <--> 30174
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Actually its called Vedaland, based Maharishi's teachings.
Msg #30174 Dated 23:28:53 12-28-91 30134 <--> 30177
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I think its more the audience can't always tell the difference
between a really good magician and one WE would consider 'lousy'. I
was at the castle last night and several of the acts weere not really
very good, but 'most' (i.e. the non-magicians) of the audience
seemed to enjoy it.
Msg #30175 Dated 23:28:57 12-28-91 30148 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
To: Tommy Wonder
.
I know exactly what you are talking about. Too many people are
concerned with the 'moves' and miss a real performance when it happen
s. It's sad. Tricks are just tricks, until someone turns them into
magic. It's a rare occurance, but I guess that's what we all look
forward to.
Msg #30176 Dated 23:29:01 12-28-91 30150 <--> 30213
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PROBLEMS
Good to see its back on line - have been having withdrawal symptoms.
Msg #30177 Dated 0:12:38 12-29-91 30132 <--> 30178
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The linking smoke rings are not in the Sawa book, but rather in "New
Magic of Japan," co-authored by Richard Kaufman and someone named
Goldstein.
Msg #30178 Dated 0:43:22 12-29-91 30108 <--> 30180
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Because the audience has been educated to define a magician as someone
who can fool them; if they don't know how the trick was done, then the
guy or girl is a magician. If 90% of the magicians they see have no
perceptible talent other than to puzzle them, that is how they are
going to regard magic. We know when a singer is off-key -- but the
equivalent perception of a magician is simply not there.
Msg #30179 Dated 0:45:59 12-29-91 30110 <--> 30188
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
It was controlling the minds of all the other people who wanted to post
the 30,000th message; such a strain...
Msg #30180 Dated 0:49:18 12-29-91 30127 <--> 30181
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I was always fond of Corinda's line that "...no matter how fancy your
brochure, it is well to remember that you have to go along and perform
when the day comes..."
Msg #30181 Dated 0:51:00 12-29-91 30134 <--> 30184
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Further to that -- a lot of bookers DON'T CARE HOW GOOD THE ACT IS --
you are just an item to be checked off a list; this seems to be
especially true of party planners and the like.
Msg #30182 Dated 0:57:37 12-29-91 30152 <--> 30191
From: T A WATERS
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
Just do a sigil prediction on a clay tablet; of course, getting the
Swami gimmick fitted with the chisel may be a bit difficult...;=)
Msg #30184 Dated 1:21:43 12-29-91 30132 <--> 30186
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Not in Sawa book, but a collection of magic from Japan (OK, I'll
take the elevator down to the libray --- (I love climbing the Oak
rolling ladder to get books off the top shelf) --- Title: New Magic
of Japan, 1988!) Later, stay tuned!!
Msg #30185 Dated 1:21:49 12-29-91 30133 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: WOWSA
No, no got Sat. Dish... ex wife got it... argh... Sure do miss that
dish!!! ;+)
Msg #30186 Dated 1:21:53 12-29-91 30134 <--> 30187
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The ones that work LEGIT gigs are usually much better. Most of
the Magicalumpkins we see are at the Castle and club meetings and
smaller conventions...
.
I have been APPALLED at the level of magic I see at the club level.
Argh...
Msg #30187 Dated 1:22:01 12-29-91 30136 <--> 30193
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Mine was supposed to be top of the line. It just depends on the
text you are scanning. If it is courier on a laserjet it is pretty
good... but the fonts don't always read very well.
.
My program is such you can scan ANY FONT and "train" it to read,
but it takes ALL DAY-PLUS to build an alphabet... I got about
half way through one one time and quit from fatigue!!!
Msg #30188 Dated 1:22:09 12-29-91 30140 <--> 30200
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Go to the Comedy and Magic Club on Sunday nights (sometimes Mon.)
when Leno does his monologue LIVE and in person! 1 Hour of it!
Msg #30189 Dated 1:22:13 12-29-91 30145 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: BIROSAN
Ditto from N. Califonya
Msg #30190 Dated 1:22:16 12-29-91 30146 <--> 30216
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: HOLIDAY GREETINGS
Is rainin' like crazy in S.F. Bay area... tough commute tonite
home at midnight across the bridge... PEACE!
Msg #30191 Dated 1:22:20 12-29-91 30152 <--> 30245
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
How many of you saw Doogie Howser on the Tonight Show last night
do his "mentalism magic trick"? (That's what he called it)!!!
.
Shows you what "star quality means" the audience went APE SHOOT over
it! What was it??? Hah...
.
He says to John (Mr. Carson) "I have a prediction here on this
card (holding up a 9x12 card, with the back to the audience) and
I want you to immagine you are in a supermarket... think of an
aisle... think of a shelf... mentally select a product... hold
it in your hand... have you got one in mind? --- What is its Price?
I will predict the amount... "
.
Carson says, "A can of beans... $1.45"....
.
The inimatable Doogie turns the card over ... showing a large
BAR CODE... and says... "That's right... here is the PRICE!"
.
YUCK?
.
Well... see, he being a famous and wonderful person, cuz he is a
TV star... got a great reaction outa the audience!
.
At the end of the show when they stand up and chat while the music
plays and the camera widens out... Carson did some coin moves for
the kid!
.
When he retires, David, give him the Nr. for MAGIC!
Msg #30192 Dated 1:22:48 12-29-91 30154 <--> 30221
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: BRONCOS/RAIDERS
You will not believe this (I shouldn't admit it)... but I FORGOT IT
WAS SATURDAY today... spent the whole of the DAY (8 am to 7 pm)
in my office working on my book... and forgot to turn the TV on.
And I am a born Raider fan (the owner's daughter was my baby sitter)
and I didn't see the game...
.
From the highligts it didn't look too good... but the score was
not a blowout...
.
When Marinovitch gets some time he will be a killer!
.
Is rainin like crazy here... so you must be gettin the white stuff!
Msg #30193 Dated 1:23:00 12-29-91 30157 <--> 30194
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Good thing you didn't say you "LOVE" card tricks.... argh....
Msg #30194 Dated 1:23:04 12-29-91 30160 <--> 30195
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Years ago (mostly in the late 40s) when Benny Chavez (and Marion)
were still alive, they had the Chavez School of Magic. You took
a basic skills course, learned card fans, Zombie (Ptoooie) and a
few other things... BUT THEN you worked on style, wardrobe, music,
etc... and three graduates that I most often cite, as having taken
the course... and come out totally different, yet wonderful, are:
Channing Pollock, Don Alan and Norm Nielsen. Three totally diverse
performers.
.
What I see now coming from the Chavez "mail order" courses are a
string of Clones... IT IS SOMEWHAT THEIR OWN FAULT... but I think
there needs to be some serious thinking by a think group to aid
and teach...
.
I could put the group together... One would be Channing, the
other Johnny Thompson (and I am sure one or two others would be
capable)... what we would do is have a 30-day seminar for a
limited clientele.... hmmmm.... if work gets any slower... nah...
not this year....
Msg #30195 Dated 1:23:23 12-29-91 30161 <--> 30201
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The job is half yours.... Need a NON TT person as well.
Msg #30197 Dated 1:23:35 12-29-91 30167 <--> 30212
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Friend of mine (a magician now) worked on the STEALTH... he was
away (I think Hawaii) on vacation with his wife. He discovered a
BUG in his room. Checked it out and it was the FBI.... He told
them if THE GOVT. DIDN'T TRUST HIM THEY COULD TAKE THE JOB AND
SHOVE IT... so he quit!!!!!
Msg #30198 Dated 1:23:41 12-29-91 30168 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SCRIPT
Will try the FAX on Sunday... not sure how to handle HOST mode
stuff....????
Msg #30199 Dated 1:23:45 12-29-91 30169 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ALMOST
Will wait... still get that one error message... will figure out
what it say and include in fax... (is 1:30 am and am whooped)
Msg #30200 Dated 1:34:07 12-29-91 30179 <--> 30214
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I know... I kept trying but couln't get to the keyboard... argh...
Msg #30201 Dated 1:34:10 12-29-91 30180 <--> 30202
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Great line... I once had some KILLER photos made of myself by a
top advertising shooter... (he owed me a giant favor -- he usually
gets about $1,500 a setting!)... and the pix were so good...
compared to what I looked like... I finally figured it out and
got wardrobe and makeup so that I looked like the pictures. And
the act was perceptively better (to me). I looked like someone
that was supposed to be funny, as opposed to a more serious person.
The wardrobe had a lot to do with it.
.
Look at Prof. Erwin Corey... if he wore a nice suit he would not
be as effective!
Msg #30202 Dated 2:04:37 12-29-91 30155 <--> 30203
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
YEAH! That is EXACTLY the problem I'm having with VisualBasic! Damn
thing is HIDING stuff from me! Don't want to take up MAGIC! with this
stuff, but, to quote the redoubtable Biro - AAARRRGGGHHH!!! (tm -
Biro).
Msg #30203 Dated 2:07:27 12-29-91 30156 <--> 30204
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Knowing how something is done doesn't seem to spoil the magic for me.
I am somehow able to "see through" knowing and focus on the performance
and retain the mystery. Maybe it is just my bad memory?
Msg #30204 Dated 2:11:02 12-29-91 30173 <--> 30205
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Thanks for the correct name for the Florida theme park, Jerry. I knew
it wasn't MeditationLand, but I couldn't remember what it was.
Msg #30205 Dated 2:12:21 12-29-91 30174 <--> 30206
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Seems to me that a good magician is one that a lay audience really
likes, and that a lousy magician is one that they don't, even if the
lousy one can do the fastest top change in the World.
Msg #30206 Dated 2:13:57 12-29-91 30177 <--> 30207
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Thank you, Max. Didn't think I'd seen it in the Sawa book. I've heard
that this guy Goldstein does some pretty good writing. You know him?
Msg #30207 Dated 2:15:23 12-29-91 30178 <--> 30208
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
So ordinary citizens will rate a magician highly, not because he or she
entertained them, but because they puzzled them? No wonder they also
buy so many computers and then wonder what they are for!
Msg #30208 Dated 2:17:21 12-29-91 30181 <--> 30209
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Good point about the bookers. I was thinking of theatrical types, I
forgot the hordes of party planners with checklists, etc. Maybe the
real magic is in the marketing?
Msg #30209 Dated 2:18:22 12-29-91 30184 <--> 30210
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yep! Max left a message about "New Magic of Japan." I'll have to
check with Burt Carpenter and see if he can get it for me. Thanks.
Msg #30210 Dated 2:19:22 12-29-91 30186 <--> 30211
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I'm NOT appalled at the level of magic I see at the club level. I
figure that that is the place that an amateur goes to learn. Just like
I wouldn't expect to see polished speakers at Toastmasters. BUT what
does surprise me is that many clubs seems to have NO outside input - no
way to gain skill from outside, except for occassional lectures. Seems
to me that there should be some sort of club handbook - a "Leader's
Guide" that places emphasis on how everyone can work to get better,
rather than the club just being a bunch of the same folks who get
together to show each other their latest purchase.
Msg #30211 Dated 2:24:40 12-29-91 30187 <--> 30219
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
There are only one or two "top of the line" OCR programs. The type
that you have to train ain't in that list. A lot also depends on the
paper stock, the degree of reflection, etc.
Msg #30212 Dated 2:27:51 12-29-91 30166 <--> 30258
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Mind & Magic sounds interesting. Tonite, while shopping for the Klutz
Book of Juggling, I also got something called the Atlas of Secret
Europe: A Guide to Sites of Magic and Mystery by Charles Walker.
Haven't had a chance to look at it yet.
Msg #30213 Dated 2:31:53 12-29-91 30176 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PROBLEMS
Yeah, I'm trying to puzzle some of the problems out. Am trying
something and we will see if it helps. Biggest problem with the
problem is that we'd like to get away for a couple of days and I'd
sleep better on the road if I knew the system was running!
Msg #30214 Dated 2:33:15 12-29-91 30179 <--> 30215
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
AH! Now _THAT_ makes sense! And I already know that controlling some
of the folks on here is DEFINITELY a strain!
Msg #30215 Dated 2:35:36 12-29-91 30188 <--> 30233
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Guess I'll have to try to catch Leno someplace - he's good. Thanks for
the club suggestion, but I'll bet he does the live monologue just at
Nathan's bath time. I'm the one who has to hand out the toy boats,
sing the songs, and blow the bubbles.
Msg #30216 Dated 2:37:57 12-29-91 30190 <--> 30235
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOLIDAY GREETINGS
Hey, the GREAT news is . . . it is RAINING in SoCal too! The bad news
is, I'm trying to work on the motorhome!
Msg #30219 Dated 9:18:20 12-29-91 30100 <--> 30222
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
A wonderful surprise, to say the least. The rock and roll boys in
the office upon seeing the "hold out" photo of you said, he looks
like a cool guy! What is he doing, showing us something he
shouldn't? Am maximum busy but looking 4ward to seeing you in a week
or so. BP back in studio and are jammin. Things is lookin up!!
Msg #30221 Dated 9:18:34 12-29-91 30154 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: BRONCOS/RAIDERS
Yeah, I was pulling for the Raiders for Pete today too. Glad to see
Atlanta kicking. Good joke!!
Msg #30222 Dated 9:18:38 12-29-91 30204 <--> 30223
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
My sources tell me that VedaLand for Florida has been abandoned
and that the concept and bank account has been moved to Europe.
Belgium, I think.
Msg #30223 Dated 9:19:05 12-29-91 30202 <--> 30224
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
"Visual Basic HIDES STUFF?" It is NAMED WRONG... should be invisible
baSICK... stay tuned
Msg #30224 Dated 9:19:09 12-29-91 30203 <--> 30225
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
It is difficult to watch magic and RAIDER GAMES from a keyboard!?
Msg #30225 Dated 9:19:12 12-29-91 30204 <--> 30226
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Sounds to me like they shudda named it WasteLand....
Msg #30226 Dated 9:19:15 12-29-91 30205 <--> 30227
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Speed is not essential to a good top change. Doing it when no one
is looking is the only way.... (see what incredible knowledge and
training is available on MAGIC!
Msg #30227 Dated 9:19:20 12-29-91 30206 <--> 30228
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Sooooo.... you have read stuff by Philmax!
Msg #30228 Dated 9:19:22 12-29-91 30207 <--> 30229
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I disagree. Ordinary citizens (even non-citizens) will rate a
magician, or a singer, or a Diablo Spinner, HIGHLY if they "Like
the Personna" (not a razor commercial)... (also not an Italian
pronunciation)... stay tuned...
Msg #30229 Dated 9:19:28 12-29-91 30208 <--> 30230
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
YOU FINALLY HIT IT, DUDE.... Real Life IS in the marketing!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #30230 Dated 9:19:31 12-29-91 30209 <--> 30231
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
There is some GREAT STUFF in "New Magic of Japan"--- well worth the
$600 I paid for it.
(Well that included the airfare to Stevens Magic Emporium)!
Msg #30231 Dated 9:19:36 12-29-91 30210 <--> 30232
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
There are CLUBS and there are CLUBS. 20 Years ago... the Oakland
Magic Circle had a nucleus of really top workers... many pro's,
Jimmy Muir, Carlysle, Cas Boxley, Jimmy Eyester, Clarence Slyter,
Smiley Turner, Glenn Haywood, Caro Miller... all really strong,
professionals... some in vaudeville, TV etc... and when they did
an "after meeting" show it was a KILLER... and this inspired the
others and the level of magic ZOOOOOMED... At the same time (over
lapping actually -- and lasting a bit longer) we had the IBM Ring
38 and meetings were at Earthquake McGoons. We would hold the biz
meeting early and the club members did the "first show" for the
public. Then some of us went up (not every month) to Red Hennnin's
"Hen House" (a club that invited 15-30 laymen to each meeting) and
Red had a stage in a "converted" chicken coup behind his house...
again... the after biz shows were outstanding...
.
The reason? A few KEY people that really know what's going on.
..
And.... the shows were basically for laymen... so you had to get
up and be "good"...
.
The Long Beach Mystics are another great example... a HUGE percentage
of the members (alumni) are MAJOR pro's... Caveney, Smith, Kalin,
etc., etc.....
.
The clubs don't really need OUTSIDE INPUT as much as a few KEY
members that SPARK the others... and an attitude that needs to
be in the right direction.
Msg #30232 Dated 9:20:02 12-29-91 30211 <--> 30236
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
It would be cheeper to hire a secretary than buy a new OCR....
Msg #30233 Dated 9:20:05 12-29-91 30214 <--> 30234
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Don't strain MAGIC! any filtering would be bad... one liners can
live... Stay tuned
Msg #30234 Dated 9:20:09 12-29-91 30215 <--> 30242
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
You can't find a chip to do that? I was at a home last night where
the Xmas tree had a set of Drummer Ornaments. Each about 6-inches
tall... and they were all wired together and somewhere under the
tree was a black box. Each little dude on the tree had a hammer
and at each side was a bell.
.
YOU GUESSED IT.... when activated (or plugged in)... this coterie
of dudes in Xmas suits... PLAYED TUNES.... I mean really great!
And I think thier continuous repertoire was 24 compositions!
.
Does ASCAP and BMI know about this????
.
This set of merry musicians was listed in the Hammecker Schlemmecker
catalog at $125.00 --- but this person got her set at Walgreen's
Drugs for $60.00 and last night they had the entire line of stuff
at 50-percent off!!! But by the time we got there the last set
was gone.... however the cat behind the cash register/scanner said,
"Sears has 'em too!"
.
A MUST BUY!!!!!!!!!
.
I did buy a whole lot of other Xmas stuff at HALF PRICE... will be
a bargain if I is still alive in 12 months...
.
Stay tuned...
.
(Nobody has noticed my Jim Healy impression. What kind of Angelinos
are there on MAGIC!?)
.
"Did the Japanese sit down with Pearl Harbor and have dinner before
they bombed it?"
.
One of Jim Healy's most famous lines! (Jerome Brown sed it!)
Msg #30235 Dated 9:20:41 12-29-91 30216 <--> 30251
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOLIDAY GREETINGS
In no time at all.... and an hour before the sky started to WEE WEE
I cleared an area in my garage... and LO and BEHOLD a car fits in
it!!!! Wowzo.....
.
Now if I could only figure out how to get the garage door to open.
Msg #30236 Dated 10:44:02 12-29-91 30222 <--> 30237
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Hmmm... I haven't really kept up with it, so don't know for sure. But
I believe that the original plan included a number of VedaLands around
the World.
Msg #30237 Dated 10:45:45 12-29-91 30223 <--> 30238
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
HaHaHaHa!!! YEAH! InvisibleBaSick! I should tell that to the
customer! (Only he'd kill me and I'd be outa work!).
Msg #30238 Dated 10:46:53 12-29-91 30224 <--> 30239
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
There is a new device that DOES allow you to watch television on your
computer screen, Pete! (OK, not so new, it's been possible with the
Amiga for years). But now you can do it on an IBM! I think (but am
not sure) that by using it with Windows you could watch television AND
MAGIC! at the same time!
Msg #30239 Dated 10:49:16 12-29-91 30226 <--> 30240
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Speed of top change.
Fast or slow, looking or not looking, you got my drift.
Msg #30240 Dated 10:51:08 12-29-91 30229 <--> 30241
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Actually, Birosan, I've known about marketing for years! Even done it
once or twice. What does surprise me is the INCREDIBLY BAD JOB of it
that many, many magi do. The few times I've tried to book some of 'em
I've practically had to beg them to work!
Msg #30241 Dated 10:54:08 12-29-91 30231 <--> 30247
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yep, there are clubs and then there are clubs. I've seen/heard of some
really good ones too. But the majority don't seem to really work at
getting better. The folks in 'em just seem to get together and do
stuff for each other. Well, it is a "safe haven" for the folks who
never get any better. And as long as they only perform for the club,
I guess all is OK.
Msg #30242 Dated 10:57:52 12-29-91 30234 <--> 30273
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
So, did you get the little electronic bell players or not??? Sounds
like something you MUST have! Yeah, the chips can do a lot - I showed
you that electronic automaton I got. But Nathan prefers LIVE
entertainment during his bath.
Msg #30244 Dated 11:53:51 12-29-91 -> 30274
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS
Wasn't it Abe Lincoln who said, "If this is tea I'll have coffee. If
this is coffee I'll have tea."
For an impromtu trick with the thumb, the salt pour is great. Or don't
you think so?
Msg #30245 Dated 12:49:51 12-29-91 30182 <--> 30255
From: MIKE KING
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
HA! You're a man who might be able to suggest an effect. Wanna Try?
Msg #30247 Dated 13:03:44 12-29-91 30121 <--> 30248
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
David,
I bought Quickbasic some time ago, but never registered it. I
guess I'll wait for the consensus about visualbasic.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30248 Dated 13:03:50 12-29-91 30130 <--> 30249
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Uh oh. We are almost talking about religion again. We'd better
be careful. Thanks for the info on Henning.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30249 Dated 13:03:55 12-29-91 30131 <--> 30250
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete,
I would be happy to type some material in for you. Unlike OCRs,
you don't have to try to figure out all my quirks before I'll do
anything.
Just fax me whatever you need typed.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30250 Dated 13:06:15 12-29-91 30138 <--> 30252
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: RICK RUHL (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Rick,
Thanks for the info. I already write in quick c and turbo c, but
have never tried the windows versions.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30251 Dated 13:06:20 12-29-91 30146 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: HOLIDAY GREETINGS
Doc,
I'm getting ready to write an entire program for using this
board. Are you interested? Anything in particular you'd like it
to do? Are you happy with what you have?
Anyone else?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30252 Dated 13:06:25 12-29-91 30171 <--> 30253
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Jerry,
"You're a bloody rotten audience,
whilst I am very good
If brains were made from oak and ash
then you'd have balsa wood
I'm ethnic and authentic and I'm really full of class
ah, you're ignorant, you're cultureless, you're philistines on
mass."
The song goes on and on about a folksinger who is getting ROTTEN
response, and of course, is blaming the audience.
I've known many performers to whom this would apply.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30253 Dated 13:06:32 12-29-91 30172 <--> 30254
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The worst part is that I just realized that if one set was
infinite (not both sets) and something went from set a to set b,
then the relative size would be changed by 1.
You are absolutly right. There is no proof one way or the other
until we run out of things that are impossible, then I'll concede
to you.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30254 Dated 13:06:38 12-29-91 30173 <--> 30256
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Jerry,
Is vedaland a joke? Not based on the holy writings of the vedas
is it? No, not really.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30255 Dated 13:06:43 12-29-91 30191 <--> 30259
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
Pete,
On the other hand, wouldn't you rather see him do a bar code bit
than the dove pans? Complete with type written patter that comes
along with the pans.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30256 Dated 13:06:48 12-29-91 30194 <--> 30257
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete,
re: magic university.
Sign me up.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30257 Dated 13:06:53 12-29-91 30195 <--> 30260
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete,
You need three judges. A TT person, A non-TT person and someone
who hasn't made up his mind to break the tie.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30258 Dated 13:06:58 12-29-91 30212 <--> 30280
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
David,
I'll probably be in L.A. on Mon. or Tues, and would be happy to
stop by and give a quick juggling lesson.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30259 Dated 13:50:24 12-29-91 30152 <--> 30266
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
I have an idea I've been working on called 'The Hand of Nostradamus'
It would work best in a stage or parlour setting, which isn't my
bag. It's more of a spirit thing than a mental thing.
.
For straight mental stuff TA or Max are much more qualified than I,
but if your interested in looking at the hand bit maybe we can get
together for lunch at the castle. Unfortunately, my January schedule
looks really hectic.
.
You can reach me by voice at (714) 535-8161 most anytime its my home
and office.
Msg #30260 Dated 13:50:30 12-29-91 30195 <--> 30261
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
OK Three judges would be perfect - 1) A TT user, 2) A non-TT user,
3) Someone who has never done a bill switch. Should give a fair
assessment. Ask Tabman which category he fits in.
.
I personally use the Klause/Ammar method of doing an inside-out bill
switch and get good response with it.
Msg #30261 Dated 13:50:34 12-29-91 30203 <--> 30262
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Knowing how something is done and seeing someone perform it well CAN
be magic - its just that you don't get the same rush as when you
don't know how its done and still can't see the method.
.
Professional football players don't watch a game the same way I do.
They have a much deeper understanding of the nuances of the game. I
think the same is true of 'magicians' watching other magicians perfor
m. You may know the method, but can appreciate the 'magic' at a diffe
rent level of perception than a person who doesn't have the 'trained'
eye.
Msg #30262 Dated 13:50:40 12-29-91 30205 <--> 30263
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
My point is that what WE may consider a 'lousy' magician may not be
perceived as such by the lay audience. Of course, if the person is
so bad they are flashing all over the place and only the legally
blind would miss the flash - that's a whole different thing.
.
I'm referring more to the magician who doesn't expose the entire
trick, but has a 'lousy' performance personna, or does stuff that
just seems very obvious. E.g. squared circle, dove pans, and all the
other 'obvious' magic boxes that require extreme skill in presentasti
on to pull off as 'magic'. Or the just plain boring card counting
effects that take forever and prove nothing.
.
Which reminds me - did anyone catch Gilbreath in the close-up last
week (or was it the week before). Probably the most boring and
worst performance I have ever seen.
Msg #30263 Dated 13:50:49 12-29-91 30210 <--> 30267
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Consider what the club is for. A bunch of people that like magic and
like to hang-out with other people who like magic. Some people join
a club to learn magic and 'evolve' past the club trick-of-the-month
mentality. Others will NEVER move out of that mentality - but so
what ! They are the ones who buy the books, book the lecturer's and
are generally just having fun at a HOBBY they enjoy.
.
If there was a society of PROFFESIONAL magicians that had STANDARDS
for membership and an internal body that could provide training and
support to further the art, then you may have a point. The existing
clubs are just social gatherings that have magic as their common
interest.
I still go to Orange County Magic Club meetings when I have a chance.
Not to see GOOD magic, but to see some people I have become friends
with over the past ten years. I also use it a place to try out new
material - you have to have a place where you can gage the reaction
to a new effect without the pressure of a paid performance.
Msg #30265 Dated 14:43:26 12-29-91 -> 30306
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
The other night, during the blessed rain, I re-read Eugene Burger's
_The Experience of Magic_. I highly recommend reading this book (again,
if you've read it once). Particularly the essay, "The Two Magics."
Msg #30266 Dated 15:05:22 12-29-91 30245 <--> 30277
From: T A WATERS
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
Nah -- I don't want to encourage you...
Msg #30267 Dated 16:55:41 12-29-91 30219 <--> 30268
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Lookin' UP is the only way.... Stay tuned....
Msg #30268 Dated 16:55:44 12-29-91 30223 <--> 30269
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Thanks for not NAILIN' MY YASS for forgetting it was be Satiddy!
When you are outa work you can't tell the week days from the strong
days...
Msg #30269 Dated 16:55:49 12-29-91 30237 <--> 30270
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Outa site Outa mind...
Stay tuned....
Msg #30270 Dated 16:55:52 12-29-91 30238 <--> 30271
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
THERE AIN'T NO WAY IN THE ETERNITY OF FINITE, INFINITE OR OTHER
KINDSA WISDOM THAT DIS DUDE IS DOIN WINDOWS...
Msg #30271 Dated 16:55:56 12-29-91 30240 <--> 30272
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Beggin' 'em to work is better than beggin' for rice!
Msg #30272 Dated 16:55:59 12-29-91 30241 <--> 30275
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
NO IT AIN'T OK.... if they don't want to perform for others they
should not. They can stay in the closet. But when you stand up in
front of more than 0 persons you better do it right.
.
Would the same dudes go into a sales meeting, or a planning
session fumbling and stammering?
Msg #30273 Dated 16:56:07 12-29-91 30242 <--> 30304
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I will buy Xmas stuff when I get richer.
Msg #30274 Dated 16:56:09 12-29-91 30244 <--> 30827
From: PETE BIRO
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS
Well the Zola Salt Trick I bought many moons ago had a thumb tip
supplied that looked like it came off a luke warm cadaver and
that got me turned off the trick. But... the jury is out on that,
as I have not been watching the salt trick for method, only style.
.
Perhaps I have been fooled by someone doing it that way. It is just
that I have yet to be EITHER fooled or entertained by ANYBODY using
a TT to do a bill trick.
Msg #30275 Dated 16:56:18 12-29-91 30249 <--> 30276
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Muchas thanks... but I have finally just about finished the work.
Just WISHED the OCR would recobanize some of the text I have.
Msg #30276 Dated 16:56:22 12-29-91 30252 <--> 30278
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Nice toon... catchy toooo.... har ;*(
Msg #30277 Dated 16:56:25 12-29-91 30255 <--> 30281
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
My three dove pans did not come with any instructions or words.
Not even a little tag inside denoting the size.
.
Just wondered if anybody saw the show. And wanted to make the point
that famous folks can do crap and get great reactions - based on
their "acceptance"... "They must be good they are on TV" and
"It must be true, it was in the newspaper!"
.
Except... "It must be all of the above... I read it on MAGIC!"...
... NOW THAT is THE EXCEPTION....
Stay tuned...
.... got to go back and finish cleaning the stove top... people are
coming over Tuesday nite... I told them to come anytime after it
gets dark (then I won't have to rake the leaves in the yard!)
Msg #30278 Dated 16:56:40 12-29-91 30256 <--> 30279
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Send $4,500 deposit.
Msg #30279 Dated 16:56:43 12-29-91 30257 <--> 30282
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Close... the 3rd person has to be a NON MAGICAL PERSON... ONE
THAT WE TRY TO ENTERTAIN/AND/OR FOOL that has no idea what is
coming.
.
YO!
Msg #30280 Dated 16:56:49 12-29-91 30258 <--> 30305
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Start him with SLOW juggling... when Quick Juggling is taught it
is harder to catch the faster balls.
Msg #30281 Dated 16:56:53 12-29-91 30259 <--> 30290
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
The Rapping Hand!
Msg #30282 Dated 16:56:56 12-29-91 30260 <--> 30283
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Gooooooooooooood.
Msg #30283 Dated 16:56:59 12-29-91 30262 <--> 30284
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
But technically excellent, right? We sat next to one another on a
trans-atlantic flight once and had a great conversation for almost
the entire flight! Was the fastest trip I ever did...
Msg #30284 Dated 16:57:03 12-29-91 30263 <--> 30289
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Right... but if one at a club is to get up and perform SOME
THOUGHT and practice AND "bit of originality" should be a goal.
Msg #30287 Dated 16:57:41 12-29-91 -> 30333
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TEST
The private message DID GO... but after seferal seconds the ERROR 9,
Line 12 message appeared and I hit "E" to enter this message. Now I
will S and G
Msg #30288 Dated 17:07:54 12-29-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HMMMM?
I TRIED something and logged on replacing the line "Waitquiet....
with "transmit "G^M"
and it seemed to work... but there were no messages to read and
it went on and off so fast, I am not sure... so am changing the
MAGIC.REP the same and sending this and one or two other messages
to see what happens. Pray.
Stay tuned...
Msg #30289 Dated 17:08:04 12-29-91 30248 <--> 30293
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
This is a test. If you read my other stuff you will know what I am
trying to do. Just needed a couple of new FAKE messages.
Msg #30290 Dated 20:44:41 12-29-91 30259 <--> 30291
From: MIKE KING
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
Thanks. I'll give you a call. I am extending the act so that I can
play longer sets. I will give you a call. Happy New Years!
Msg #30291 Dated 20:45:56 12-29-91 30266 <--> 30292
From: MIKE KING
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
Thanks for the honesty.
Msg #30292 Dated 22:00:59 12-29-91 30277 <--> 30307
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
RE: Cleaning the stove top and having 'em arrive after dark so's not to
see the leaves.
HA! WE bought a new stove (you may remember - the one that was
recalled?) - it has a SELF CLEANING STOVE TOP! (But you gotta use
E-Z-Off on the oven).
Msg #30293 Dated 22:05:27 12-29-91 30253 <--> 30296
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Isn't there someone in Alice In Wonderland who always believed in doing
seven impossible things before breakfast? I always liked the line
because of the correspondence to the Seven Tasks of Hercules.
Msg #30296 Dated 23:02:34 12-29-91 30256 <--> 30297
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: MAGIC UNIVERSITY
Don't know if I can take 30 days off from work, why not do a series of
6 or 8 intensive weekends? Like the "weekend ground school" for
pilots? Could be spread over a six month period or something. I think
it would be a killer.
But if I can't attend, I wanna get the video.
Msg #30297 Dated 23:05:23 12-29-91 30261 <--> 30298
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I agree with your analysis of watching great magic. Right about the
football players, and, for that matter, probably every other sort of
group - musicians hear the nuances, jugglers see them in other
jugglers, etc.
Msg #30298 Dated 23:07:12 12-29-91 30262 <--> 30299
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I agree, our vote on a "lousy" magician might be different than a lay
audience's. Also, I think that there is more chance that we will get
jaded (NOT Jaded - no capital, not a reference to the lady) and will
suffer from "magic burnout."
Msg #30299 Dated 23:09:44 12-29-91 30263 <--> 30300
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
If the club is only a place for people who like magic to hang out with
people who like magic, then I guess it is OK. I'd like to think,
though, that a young person (or anyone else with the desire) would be
able to learn magic and 'evolve,' using the local club as a vehicle.
But my basic premise was a defense of the club - that it is a haven for
those who just want to have a good time.
Msg #30300 Dated 23:12:37 12-29-91 30268 <--> 30301
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I never worry about someone forgetting the days of the week. I have
trouble remembering the months! I've been meaning to get one of those
pocket reminder things, but I don't have anywhere to write it down.
Msg #30301 Dated 23:14:03 12-29-91 30270 <--> 30302
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Your day will come, Pete. Just wait 'til you see what Windows can do!
Wordstar for Windows seems so powerful, I'm not sure I'm gonna need
Ventura no more.
Msg #30302 Dated 23:15:48 12-29-91 30293 <--> 30303
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yeah, except it's _six_ impossible things.
Msg #30303 Dated 23:15:29 12-29-91 30272 <--> 30308
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
My point was that the club can be a "closet" or "safe haven" for those
who can't, shouldn't, or won't perform for anyone. I'd prefer that if
they are going to do it badly, that they do it for each other! Agreed,
if you are going to stand up (or, in the case of close-up, sit down) in
front of more than 0 persons who aren't members of your magic club,
then you MUST do it right.
Msg #30304 Dated 23:18:47 12-29-91 30273 <--> 30441
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO
Re: URI GELLER
Richer or poorer, I'm planning on continuing on not buying Xmas stuff.
But, then again, I got an excuse! :-) .
Msg #30305 Dated 23:20:31 12-29-91 30258 <--> 30385
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
I'd love to see you and to get a juggling lesson, but we are working
hard on NOT BEING HERE Monday and Tuesday! Are planning an Expedition
to the Greater Antipodes! Out to the desert! No phone! No faxe! NO
MODEM!
SERIOUSLY - Hope everyone can send some mojo juice this way to keep the
system running for about 72 hours - won't be here to fix and coddle it.
And I hope everyone here and all of theirs have a GREAT AND WONDERFUL
NEW YEAR!
Msg #30306 Dated 23:26:59 12-29-91 30265 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Thanks, Philip. Burger is big on my list.
Msg #30307 Dated 23:27:29 12-29-91 30292 <--> 30316
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
E-Z-On would be more fun. When I "hit" am going to have two things.
One a smooth state-of-da-art stove top and a whole room that is
a Microwave...
.
If Xray is so safe (sed to my dentist) how come you leave the room
and go down the hall to turn on the machine?
Msg #30308 Dated 23:27:36 12-29-91 30293 <--> 30309
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I saw the first Hercules move (well part of it) the other nite on
tv... boy was it KORNY
stay tuned
Msg #30309 Dated 23:27:40 12-29-91 30296 <--> 30310
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Professionals would rather do it in one lump. We could have the
Hobby, or gainfully employed elsewhere department.
Msg #30310 Dated 23:27:44 12-29-91 30297 <--> 30311
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
When I watch Katarina Witt, I take note of the revolutions, the
flat landings, the differences between a double toe Wally, a Uler
and a Salchow. Not to mention the good fit of her costume!
Msg #30311 Dated 23:27:49 12-29-91 30298 <--> 30312
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Got nice card from Jade from Hawaii... sed, "Weather is HERE,
wish you were BEAUTIFUL"...
.
Stay tuned.
.
Oh, can't tell you but working on a plan for a new act for her I
designed a trick SIX MONTHS ago... that involved here turning to
a Butterfly... AND FLYING...
.
And what does Copperfield do? He flies... killed that idea...
.
altho if we come up with a better presentation......
Msg #30312 Dated 23:28:02 12-29-91 30299 <--> 30313
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Then those clubs ought to HIRE and pay real pro's to come and
lecture and entertain all the time... support those in the biz
full time... have fun, and try to get better, either as a spectator
or a participant.
.
You do have to have a place where you can be lousy while you learn,
though...
.
You JUST MUST HAVE THE SENSE to know when you are ready to show...
Msg #30313 Dated 23:28:12 12-29-91 30301 <--> 30315
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I am an old dog. Can't (don't) want to learn no new tricks. Computer
wise that is. I am happy with DOS 1.1, my slow processor, the
kick starter, the view out the window as I lean back and rest
while stuff loads. And except for a dead battery... my stuff is
now BULLET PROOF. Even got the Burton scripts working...
.
Film at 11
Msg #30315 Dated 23:32:46 12-29-91 30302 <--> 30317
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Oh, Crumb, Maven! Please tell me you are kidding! You are kidding,
right? I just did a frantic search for any of my Alice copies and they
have all convenienty vanished. Seriously, you are toying with one of
the foundations of my personal value system here - it has GOT to be
SEVEN.
Msg #30316 Dated 23:38:31 12-29-91 30307 <--> 30327
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
I wanted one of those really fancy stoves, but when the bill topped $2K
the idea got nixed. Besides, we don't cook at home anyway. Nathan is
the only kid I know who says (and this is for real), "Can we eat at
home for a change?"
Msg #30317 Dated 23:39:47 12-29-91 30308 <--> 30318
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Hercules, etc.
You gotta stop believin' the movies, Pete - you gotta read the BOOKS.
Msg #30318 Dated 23:41:11 12-29-91 30309 <--> 30319
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
How about a special department for me - Dept. of Sometimes Employed,
Almost Never Gainfully?
Msg #30319 Dated 23:42:20 12-29-91 30310 <--> 30320
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Heh Heh, it is all in the good fit of the costume! (And that is, I
suspect, not strictly a gender based reference - put the right mage in
the right clothes and I'll be the ladies don't care if he does packet
tricks).
Msg #30320 Dated 23:45:19 12-29-91 30311 <--> 30321
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
It doesn't have to be "better" than Copperfield, just different. Make
Jade's flying symbolic of her metamorphosis.
Msg #30321 Dated 23:46:22 12-29-91 30312 <--> 30328
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yeah, but it ain't all outside lectures. A good club has to do some
internal stuff too. Outside lecturers and performers can be great, but
they should not be the sole source of inspiration.
Msg #30327 Dated 1:24:28 12-30-91 30281 <--> 30337
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
RE: The Rapping Hand
.
That's it exactly. With the proper presentation it could be very
good.
.
Got the FAX - your improvements work quite well, I have since changed
mine as well. Good job, for a non-computer nerd.
.
Can't wait to see what goes in between the chapter pages, looks very
good. When do you expect the ring tome will be ready for purchase.
Sign me up as your first buyer - sight unseen, shall I send $$ now ?
Msg #30328 Dated 1:24:34 12-30-91 30252 <--> 30329
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Interesting song lyrics - is it popular with many audiences ?
Msg #30329 Dated 1:24:36 12-30-91 30254 <--> 30330
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Vedaland was not a joke. Maharishi has a whole world view based on
the Veda writings.
.
Many top-notch scientists have joined the movement. They used to
have a TV program on UHF here in LA and I caught quite a few of their
programs on Vedic mathematics. Interesting stuff.
Msg #30330 Dated 1:24:41 12-30-91 30283 <--> 30331
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Hey, Gilbreath is technically excellant and CREATES some really
clever things. He IS interesting to talk to, but as a performer he
should stay with CREATION.
.
His creation and concept on 'colored' magnetism is excellant and in
the right hands could be a real fooler - the way he does it, people
don't understand that they were seeing magic. I heard a guy say, "Gee
I never knew there were different colored magnetism", he obviously
missed the whole point.
Msg #30331 Dated 1:24:46 12-30-91 30284 <--> 30336
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I agree SOME THOUGHT and 'bit of originality' should be a goal -
unfortunately that's very rarely the case.
.
There are some people who are creative and a joy to watch, there are
others that you just know are going to do the same 'lame' act.
Msg #30333 Dated 1:24:53 12-30-91 30287 <--> 30348
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TEST
Not sure if you have the latest RDMAGIC or not. I'm running the same
script you sent back to me - not getting the same error !
Msg #30336 Dated 10:25:30 12-30-91 30315 <--> 30338
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
SIX... plus your own ... makes SEVEN.
Stay Tuned...
Msg #30337 Dated 10:25:34 12-30-91 30316 <--> 30343
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
If I didn't cook at home I would lose 20 lbs.
Msg #30338 Dated 10:25:36 12-30-91 30317 <--> 30339
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Stop believin' movies? Why. They are just a group of hired experts
that read the books and illustrate them.
.
My eyesight (even with specs) gives up too often to be able to
read much... so I write good books. Don't have to read THEM.
Msg #30339 Dated 10:25:43 12-30-91 30318 <--> 30340
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
You're in.
Msg #30340 Dated 10:25:46 12-30-91 30319 <--> 30341
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Channing Pollack was the best example of the Right Clothes the
Right look.
.
Dig Maki Kitami.
Msg #30341 Dated 10:25:52 12-30-91 30320 <--> 30342
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Go back and read my message. I didn't say BETTER (by itself), I
said better PRESENTATION. Which is du most impotant ting
Msg #30342 Dated 10:25:56 12-30-91 30321 <--> 30344
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Not need to be SOLE source... but my point is CLUBS should do what
they can to keep the good uns EMPLOYED so they don't give up.
.
Penn and Teller used to be a larger ensemble... they had a rule.
Anyone that took pay for doing something OTHER than performing was
out. IE: You got a job selling shoes, pumping gas, etc. you were
no longer a FULL TIME MAGE... and that was the IMORTANT GOAL they
had.
.
The 2 dudes that are NOW MAKING IT BIG were the only two to stick
by their convictions.
.
Now if we could get Bush to have some convictions (the right ones)
and then STICK TO THEM.... (wrong BBS), sorry dude...
.
Stay tuned
Msg #30343 Dated 10:26:12 12-30-91 30327 <--> 30376
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
Jud Cole used the Rapping Hand in vaudeville and I have his scripts
for his top three effects. They will be in book II.
.
The Ring Book? actually now called "The Encyclopedia of Linking
Ring Magic" (or... What? Another Book on the Linking Rings?)
is up to about 250 typeset pages. Am waiting permission and photos
from a number of sources. Rather than rush it out the plan is to
try to be as complete as possible. So... a trip to the American
Museum of Magic, in Marshall, Mich., is a must. And I cannot get
there until May, 1992.
.
Shortly thereafter it will be fini...
.
Yes, the Tabman has written a chapter!
.
Jay Marshall, Topper Martyn, Terry Seabrooke, Persi Diaconis, and
many many others, including members of the MAGIC! family have made
major contributions.
.
Cardini, Benson, and many others' work is included.
.
The Koran 3 ring routine and his NON HIMBER linking Finger rings...
Harbin stuff... yooo name it... we got it....
.
Good part 2 publishers are bidding!
Msg #30344 Dated 10:26:37 12-30-91 30329 <--> 30345
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Veda interesting... I sure do miss Gene Scott tho....
Msg #30345 Dated 10:26:40 12-30-91 30330 <--> 30346
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Ditto
Msg #30346 Dated 10:26:43 12-30-91 30331 <--> 30367
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Same lame. Nice chioce of woids. I know. I once went to see the same
play almost twice a week for about a year and a half because it
was so good, and it evolved beautifully. (OK, I was an investor and
got in free... and did DOUBLE MY MONEY... too bad I had only 2K in
it) (Hey, I met one of the other angels, Frances Ford Coppola, at
a cast party!... and Dudley Moore...)
.
The show? "Bullshot Crummond"... same folks that did "El Grande de
Coca Cola" (another hit) and a TV special called, "The Low Moan
Spectacular".... great folks. Couple of the cast are seen often
on TV. Mark Blankfield, the most... he is very funny dude...
You will recognize him as a "new" Marty Feldman (in that one of
his eyes points a different direction than his other)... his wife
is often seen on comedy sketches too (forget her stage name)
Msg #30348 Dated 10:27:01 12-30-91 30333 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: TEST
I thought it would (the script) relate to MAGIC! and PROCOMM PLUS,
not RDMAGIC (aka IMP)?
.
Have (today) gone back one phase to the one with the error line,
which I can live with... cuz all I have to do is type "G" and
"Enter" and adios... the rest works fine... altho it starts out
repeating "what is your name?" twice... but that only takes about
a 25th of a second.
.
Think I will leave it alone for awhile and just enjoy same....
.
Stay tuned...
Msg #30349 Dated 15:03:43 12-30-91 -> 30352
From: RANDY EATON
To: ALL
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
Hello, I'm new to both this BBS and magic in general. I see some names
that I recognize from scanning Genie and thought that I would ask a
question. I'm looking for a good description of the Elmsley count. I
realize that this is a basic sleight and that's my problem. Most of the
books that I have don't mention it beyond "do an Elmsley and then..."
I have been shown how to do it but I have found that I need a written
description to refer back to in order to really get the move down. I
hope that this handicap will go away in the near future but in the
meantime, could anyone post a blow by blow of this fine slleight or
recommend a book that's reasonably accessable? (Geez, the kid don't
want much do he?) Thanks in advance for any assistance.
-Randy
Msg #30350 Dated 18:14:23 12-30-91
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: BS
I can't believe it... the local (San Fran) news just had a story about
the protesting at the coming Rose Parade. The Indians are complaining
gthe Grand Marshall is a descendant of Christopher Columbus... someone
complained about the Moderator for the "former Miss Rose Parade"
discussion to Koday, the sponsor... NEXT THING THE PANSY growers will
protest that they call it the ROSE PARADE!
.
GET A LIFE PEOPLE!!! CHEESH....
.
Hows tricks?
Msg #30352 Dated 18:44:39 12-30-91 30349 <--> 30361
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY EATON (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
You might check the closest magic shop and see if the "Four Card
Trick" by Elmsley is available. In books, Max Maven's "Focus" has
an excellent description... however the BEST is the original (in
the Four Card Trick) in a large, comprehensive book, "The Collected
Works of Alex Elmsley" and Dai Vernon's "More Inner Secrets of Card
Magic" -- where Twisting the Aces was first described.
.
However, the best version is the Original Elmsley (in my opinion),
as it is accomplished with the cards in a mechanic's grip, as
opposed to at the fingertips. I believe you have better control
over the cards in that grip.
.
There are other publications, such as "Counts, Moves and Subtleties"
(forget the writer) but the Elmsley treatise, though pricey, is
worth its weight in gold.
.
I am sure others online here will give you some added places to
check. Where are you located?
.
If it helps, here is a really ROUGH BASIC DESCRIPTION. The effect
as you probably know is to count 4 as 4, hiding the 3rd card from
the top. For sake of explanation, place the 3rd card in your packet
face up. (It is best done with white-bordered cards).
.
Hold cards in left hand, mechanic type grip. Only the left thumbtip
and the left index finger come into play at the start. The left
2nd, 3rd and pinkie finger BARELY make contact with the right long
edge of the cards.
.
With left thumb PUSH TOP CARD ONLY (it rides over the index finger
tip) to the left and forward a bit. Right hand moves in, and grips
the bottom 3 cards at the right long edge, 1st and 2nd fingertips
under, thumbtip on top. (NOTE: MY PREFERRED HANDLING IS THE RIGHT
HAND NOW NEVER MOVES. THE LEFT TAKES AWAY ALL CARDS).
.
Left hand "takes away" the top card (to left a bit) AT THE SAME
TIME... the right pushes the top two cards (keep aligned they are
supposed to be only one card!) about 1/4-inch to the left.
.
Left hand comes back UNDER packet and places its card up as right
hand places its bottom card down, ONTO the 1st card. Simultaneously
the left thumb (not at the tip) contacts the left front corner of
the TWO cards and pinches them against the left index finger.
.
You now have two cards in left hand and two in right. The bottom
card in the left is the hidden face up card.
.
All that is left to do is to count off, one at a time, the two cards
in the right to on top of those in the left. Remember, TAKE them
with the left. The right thumb helps to push the 3rd card to the
left so you can grip it in the IDENTICAL MANNER with the left
thumb against the index finger. The point where the thumb pressure
is applied to the index finger (the index finger is almost straight)
is just near the root of that finger.
.
Work on keeping the cards "loosely held" NO DEATH GRIP NEEDED.
.
Timing is critical, develop a rhythm so the count has a beat to it.
.
Tamariz suggests practicing counts with a metronome.
.
That's why he is so good.
.
Make sure you get the reference BY ELMSLEY, as I am sure his
description is far better than mine.
.
Good luck, and welcome.
Msg #30356 Dated 20:35:40 01-01-92 29455 <--> 30372
From: CHUCK RUBEY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW MONTHLY COLUMN!
Dave, I have yet to reveive my copy of IMP! which I sent the $ to you
about 3-4 weeks ago. Are their problems?
Happy New Year
Chuck
Msg #30359 Dated 21:12:58 01-01-92 -> 30427
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: HPY NU YR
Thanks for the good wishes, Mike. Enjoyed meeting you this past year
and breaking bread with you at Lunch. Have a very Happy and Magical New
Year!
Msg #30360 Dated 21:14:46 01-01-92 -> 30378
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HPY NU YR
Thanks for the good wishes. Likewise enjoyed our evening with "Big
John". Let's do it again for sure. Happy New Year!
Msg #30361 Dated 21:52:06 01-01-92 30349 <--> 30363
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: RANDY EATON (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
Randy,
Welcome aBoard!! I'm always glad to see new faces,
..er..fingers,..ah..you know what I mean.
The Elmsley count was one of my first accomplishments in card
magic, and since has become my favorite. Being an action move,
it's a little easier to cover than something like a top palm, or
even a double lift.
Don't get me wrong, it's TOUGH to do right. It would be best to
remember what I was told when I was learning it; "If you can do
it (Elmsley, although it applies to ALL magic) well only 90 to 95
percent of the time, DON'T DO IT AT ALL!!!!"
You can find a description in Vernon's More Inner Secrets of Card
Magic by Lewis Ganson. A more recent (and sometimes easier to
find) book is Counts, Cuts, Moves, and Subtlety by Jerry Mentzer.
Both books are a must in a card worker's library.
If you basically know what's going on, here are some tips:
Break it down into left and right hand moves to get the mechanics
of what's going on. The left hand, holding the 4 cards, pushes
off the first card into the right hand. The second (and third)
card(s) are "pinched" off and pushed as a block into the right.
Another way to look at it is that the bottom card is pulled back
a little to the left, leaving the other two squared as one.
The right hand's move is basically one of depositing the first
card back under the left packet as it retrieves the next block of
two. To an observer, there are always the right amount of cards
in the hands as there should be, they are unaware (hopefully)
that they are seeing one of them counted twice.
Don't worry too much about keeping the two cards perfectly
squared, some (myself included) believe it looks more natural
that way. Of course this implies white bordered cards. Flashing a
red border in a blue packet is a dead giveaway. The same goes
with a reversed card in a borderless packet.
Also, there are a variety of grips used. A light fingertip hold
on the long edges sometimes looks nice when you're trying to be
completely "fair" as if you don't even want to handle them in the
first place. Some prefer more of a standard dealing grip as it
more closely duplicates familiar card handling. They're both
good, and I use them both now depending on what I want to
accomplish.
Well, that ought to keep you busy awhile. It only took me six
months before I felt comfortable performing with it. Others take
much longer.
Remember, it takes only one miss to DESTROY a magical moment that
may effect their perception of magic for a lifetime.
The Elmsley Count can be easy to do, but it's even easier to do
badly.
Again, welcome aboard, and don't get discouraged. in the end it's
worth it.
Good luck,
David (the other one)
(not to be confused with our SYSOP, or that TV guy)
Msg #30363 Dated 22:22:07 01-01-92 30352 <--> 30364
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
Try again, Pete. The original Elmsley handling was done from a Pinch
Grip; that's how it was explained in the "Four-Card" manuscript, in the
Vernon "Twisting The Aces" write-up, and also in the recent Elmsley
book.
Msg #30364 Dated 23:02:02 01-01-92 30363 <--> 30393
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
OOOOpsss.... sorry Max... go look at the illustrations and the
text in the original Elmsley description. I have in my grubby
little hands a 12 pg. mss. by AE, published, with orange cover
by Tony Corinda. And the right hand is in mechanic's grip and
Elmsley's words are: "In order to take the cards into your ight hand,
put your right thumb on top of the packet as in Fig. 1, whilst
your right fingers go beneath the packet. Slide the top card of the
packet to the right with your right thumb, as shown.... etc. etc"
Another line, "It is most important that your fingers do not
extend to the left edge of the card, but are curled underneath..."
.
I just figured out why I do it Left Handed... it was taught to me
E
David Lichtman
ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGh!
Msg #30365 Dated 23:14:53 01-01-92 -> 30374
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE
Ssommeeboddy.. pplee eese hellppp mm mee, iii've fallllen d down byy
m my k k keeeyyb board... and hhave bbeeen layinngg h eheeer ffor twoo
d daysss. cannnootttt llllog inn... hellpp...i nn neeed aa m m MA
GGGIC! FF FIX.... H UURRRY... HH HHHEEELLLLPPPP MM MEEE......
Msg #30367 Dated 23:26:23 01-01-92 30336 <--> 30368
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
YEAH! THAT'S IT! The _SEVENTH_ IMPOSSIBLE TASK is running MAGIC! You
got that right, bro!!!
Msg #30368 Dated 23:27:21 01-01-92 30338 <--> 30369
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Stop believin' movies? Why. They are just a group of hired experts
that read the books and illustrate them.
REPLY: Great news, Biro! I with wait for the Encyclopedia of Linking
Rings VIDEO!!!
Msg #30369 Dated 23:28:58 01-01-92 30340 <--> 30370
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Channing Pollock does dress well. Maybe we should do an annual list of
the ten Best Dressed and ten Worst Dressed magi?
Msg #30370 Dated 23:30:31 01-01-92 30341 <--> 30375
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
RE: Jade doing a "better presentation" of flying.
Yeah, you did say better presentation.
Msg #30372 Dated 23:42:18 01-01-92 30356 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHUCK RUBEY (X)
Re: NEW MONTHLY COLUMN!
I owe a number of people an explaination of the delayed IMP! - We were
making some changes to the system (to add additional message sections
for MAGIC!) and needed to change IMP! to correspond. So I delayed
sending stuff out - my fault - until everything was connected. Will
figure it all out and get material out as soon as possible. Sorry for
the delay.
Msg #30374 Dated 23:48:19 01-01-92 30365 <--> 30379
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE
FINE - YOU come down here and FIX it!!! I've had a crummy day and if
you are lying there by your keyboard, you can call back in the morning!
We just got back from a trip to Anza-Borego. Well, WE got back, but
our motorhome is still in Borego Springs, parked real close to where
the transmission DIED. It has not been a fun day!
And, apparently, even though I thought I'd handled the elusive bug in
MAGIC! before I'd left, I hadn't and the system died while we were
away. I gotta find this little sucker and spray it with so much
RAID(r) that it will NEVER move again!
Msg #30375 Dated 0:08:06 01-02-92 30344 <--> 30381
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I was flippin' thru the channels Sunday and caught Scott. It was a
riot - he had a camera out at the airport showing planes landing
blues music going, and an 800 number as to where to send yo $$.
.
I flipped back in every commercial on the program I was watching and
it was the same. Only saw him once ! I can't believe how he does that
.
Taped MIchael Moschen off of PBS tonight - the guy is incredible !
Msg #30376 Dated 0:08:10 01-02-92 30343 <--> 30382
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
Book sounds great - can't wait !
Msg #30378 Dated 0:08:17 01-02-92 30360 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: HPY NU YR
You name the time my Weds are open for awhile (except the 22nd). Let
me know when - have a good year.
Msg #30379 Dated 0:08:19 01-02-92 30365 <--> 30391
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE
David - you are not allowed to leave the system unattended ! I got
my last download Sun eve and haven't been able to get in until
11:30 pm New Year's day - poor Pete has the shakes and I have
started biting my nails again. You can't leave us cold turkey for
2 days ! What happened ???
Msg #30380 Dated 0:26:30 01-02-92 -> 30392
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Well, I'm all set for my audition for membership to the Magic
Castle. I've got 10 minutes of close-up without any gaffed cards
or coins. Just sleight of hand and mis-direction.
Any hints? Helpful advice? Encouragment?
I go in this Monday at 6:45, and worry myself sick until it is
over.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30381 Dated 0:26:41 01-02-92 30270 <--> 30383
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete,
When you're down in SoCal, we are going to tie you down, and gang
window you. HAR HAR HAR (It is difficult to get an "evil"
sounding laugh while typing.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30382 Dated 0:26:46 01-02-92 30277 <--> 30403
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
Pete,
We all know that some audiences are predispositioned to enjoy one
performer over another. I think we've all been in the position
of trying to win audiences over, and in the (much preferable)
position of getting more response than we deserve.
You are right that a "star" has an advantage going in, but this
is not necessarily bad. I also agree that as long as he was
going to do something, and apparently he does have an interest in
magic, he should have done something good.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30383 Dated 0:26:53 01-02-92 30278 <--> 30384
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete,
Is the forty-five hundred a down payment, or payment in full?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30384 Dated 0:26:58 01-02-92 30279 <--> 30386
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete,
Then you'd better be certain to be the first to perform for the
non-magic person. All he is going to say is "Gee, that second
guy did the same thing as the first guy."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30385 Dated 0:27:03 01-02-92 30280 <--> 30387
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Pete,
I know for a fact that he can program in quick basic, so why not
start him on quick juggling. We all know that once one has
started with a name-brand, they should stick with it no matter
the cost.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30386 Dated 0:27:08 01-02-92 30289 <--> 30388
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete,
I expected: "this is only a test EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
had this been an actual message, you would have been told where
to tune for information in your area. This is only a test."
Enjoy!
Kevin
p.s. glad it worked
Msg #30387 Dated 0:27:14 01-02-92 30305 <--> 30394
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
David,
I could almost tell when you left. I've got about 72 hours worth
of "no carrier" signals. I hope you got the problem worked out.
I've been going through Magic! withdrawels.
Enjoy!
Kevin
p.s. Hope you're trip was everything you wanted it to be. HAPPY
NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #30388 Dated 0:27:19 01-02-92 30318 <--> 30389
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Here here!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30389 Dated 0:27:23 01-02-92 30328 <--> 30390
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Actually it gets GREAT response. I've used it on many occasions
to rousing cheers.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30390 Dated 0:27:28 01-02-92 30329 <--> 30395
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Jerry,
Vedic mathematics? I have to assume that there is no zero, so
what is Vedic mathematics? Anything like numerology, or are you
talking about an actual field?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30391 Dated 0:26:13 01-02-92 30379 <--> 30466
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE
Uh, yeah. I THOUGHT I had conquered the particular bug before I left.
Besides, this trip wasn't my choice - I was told we were doing it.
And, uh, lets see - just before we left my aged cousin, the one who
tried to take his own life two weeks ago, called to say he was feeling
"depressed." Then, for the trip home, the motorhome died in the
campgrounds...
My Tarot had been very vague on all of the above... Just said I was
going to be taking a trip - didn't tell me the details.
Msg #30392 Dated 0:29:48 01-02-92 30380 <--> 30401
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Advice is GO FER IT! Just be cool, calm and collected. Oh, yeah, be
ready for the questions before you get to perform! Like why you want
to join, the titles and authors of your fave magic books, stuff like
that.
Msg #30393 Dated 0:29:55 01-02-92 30364 <--> 30406
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
The count is, in original form, done from the left hand into the right.
The left hand is specifically holding the packet in a Pinch Grip --
which is why that grip is sometimes called an Elmsley Grip. As for the
position of the right hand when taking the cards, it's a bit closer to
a Mechanic's Grip, but it is not a Mechanic's Grip. You're correct that
the instructions say to curl the right fingers beneath the packt -- but
that means it _cannot_ be a Mechanic's Grip.
Msg #30394 Dated 0:34:40 01-02-92 30387 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SO LONG FOR A WHILE...
Thank you, Kevin - and a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and yours!
Msg #30395 Dated 1:40:26 01-02-92 30367 <--> 30396
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Sorry my "gag" message got you panicked and you hadda check to see
if I wuz OK with a Looooooooooooong Distance call. Nice to hear
your voice. Sorry your trip was a TOTAL DISASTER. Forgot to tell
you but I lost an engine in Mexico one time an had to pay a kid to
watch it for a few days, pay a local down there $100 to move my
car to the hotel parking lot (3 hour tow) and then rent a car to
San Diego and swap it for a Hertz car to get home. Borrow a truck
and 3 people and drive back to Mexico and tow the stupid VW Van
home, then pay 2K to get a new engine put in... ARghle...
Msg #30396 Dated 1:40:36 01-02-92 30368 <--> 30397
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Instead of a video I will use my old work/picture processor... does
it in Pencil!
Msg #30397 Dated 1:40:40 01-02-92 30369 <--> 30399
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Start of BEST List: Probably slightly out of order!
Channing Pollock
David Copperfield
Fred Kaps
Silvan
Richard Ross
Tamiriz
Maki Kitami
Max Maven
Al Koran
Rudy Coby
(Mode of dress judged on the "effect" performer desires to convey
.
Start of WORST List:
Harry Blackstone Jr.
Karrell Fox
Jay Marshall
Albert Goshman (he should be on both lists)
Dale Salwak
Lance Burton (OK, it is my opinion)
Siegfried (Roy belongs on top 11 list)
Bob Brown (Clothes OK, it is the hair club merchandise)
Arnold Furst (Hair again... only his is made in Japan--hair too thik
Terry Seabrooke (take off list if he has stopped wearing ruffled
shirts.
Me (take me off list when I lose 20 lbs and the clothes again fit)
.
OK, so a couple of my friends will scream and holler if they get
copies of this. Tsk... tell it like it is gang... you can veto
some of my marks or DITTO 'em....
Msg #30399 Dated 1:41:12 01-02-92 30375 <--> 30402
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I have not seen the PBS of Moschen... some day bring it to where
we both are and a player is there (IBM SLC?)
Msg #30401 Dated 1:41:21 01-02-92 30380 <--> 30432
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
DO NOT WORRY. You are probably 30-40 times better than MOST of the
JURY... treat it like a way to get in CHEAPER and a business
deal... Like my dad once told me (he came from vodvil) when I
told him I got nervous on stage. He said, "Why? Are there people
watching with guns that will kill you if they don't like what they
see?" "No, I said" and never been so nervous no mo..... trouble
is that was 40 years ago... Today they is folks in the aud that
will shoot you.... argh...
.
Nah, no sweat. Remember, if you know how to do the stuff, then
all you got to do is concentrate on being a cool dude... Knock
'em dead with your CONFIDENCE, personality and style. Forget the
magic, after all, like in life and politics, it is perception.
Vernon always said, "If they like you when you first come out,
you have it made..." (similar words).
.
TAKE NO PRISONERS!
Msg #30402 Dated 1:41:39 01-02-92 30381 <--> 30404
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
sOUNDED pRETTY eVIL tO mE.
.
Lunch at Castle the Sunday closest to January 18 (it might be
the Sunday), the 18th that is... argh...
Msg #30403 Dated 1:41:44 01-02-92 30382 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: GREAT MENTAL EFFECT
What Doogie did WAS GOOD, to the audience. Perception, remember!
Msg #30404 Dated 1:41:47 01-02-92 30383 <--> 30405
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I don't know if 45 hun is right for anything... stay tuned...
Msg #30405 Dated 1:41:50 01-02-92 30384 <--> 30419
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
In the real world you don't have magician follow magician on a show
Msg #30406 Dated 1:41:53 01-02-92 30393 <--> 30416
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
You don't know the Mechanic that grips my wallet... after fixing
my car... argh...
.
I just hope we got the feller that needed to know more about the
count ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
.
Have a good '92, and see you in Nashville next... adios...
Msg #30409 Dated 5:38:58 01-02-92 -> 30571
From: DOUG SMITH
To: GENOUNARI
Re: LV SHOW
Enjoyed your show last week..we saw your first show and hope that in a
couple of years you will be on the strip with it..Thanks for your help
with the seating fro Melinda's show..she sure was a good performer and
we enjoyed the show
Msg #30410 Dated 5:53:51 01-02-92 -> 30455
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: NEW BOOKS
Got to read two books over the holidays. Finished off Robert Neale's
_Tricks of the Imagination_ and got about half way through the new John
Carney book _Carneycopia_. Both are excellent books. If you like
storytelling magic, the Neale book is one you should have. There are
some very good routines with very entertaining patter in it.
The Carney book may be the best overall book I've read in sometime.
When I first got the book several months back, I read the opening
essay and thought it was great. After having reread the essay, I think
even more highly of Carney. The rest of the book that I've read so far
is equally as good. Each routine is well explained (although I did
find a slip-up in the first routine). And not only explained, but the
thought behind each part is brought out, all the little details given
and accounted for. Carney's thinking is brilliant. It is easy to see
why he is one of the best performers around.
Charlie
Msg #30411 Dated 5:54:26 01-02-92 -> 30422
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY GET TOGETHER
Tabby, thanks for the Merry Christmas message. Mine was a really
good one, hope yours was also. Holidays would have been perfect, if my
Saints could have defeated your dreaded Falcons. Well, now I can
concentrate on the Oilers!
Getting really excited about coming up your way. Hope to UPS at
least 2 packages your way tomorrow. I think we're going to have some
good stuff: some of the old classics, some really good new books, and
a bunch of the standard titles. It's going to be fun!
Oh, let me give you some flight information: arrival on Thursday
(9th) at 1:17 pm on American 1282, departure (same as Richard) Sunday
(12th) at 7:40pm.
Happy New Year!
Charlie
Msg #30412 Dated 5:55:06 01-02-92 -> 30423
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: UNIVERSE
Whether the universe is infinite or finite and whether it is open or
close are not quite the same as implied in your message. They are the
same if you mean infinite _in extent_ (i.e. unbounded) or finite _in
extent_ (i.e. bounded). Infinite in reference to the number of stars,
mass of the universe, etc. would of course mean something else.
On the other hand you'll be glad to know I found a large portion of
the "missing mass" over the holidays and it now resides around my
waist!
Charlie
Msg #30413 Dated 5:55:37 01-02-92 -> 30424
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASHING MAGICIANS
On the discussion of flashing magicians, here's something else to
add. I've seen Larry Jennings lecture and perform on several
occasions. I think Larry is one of the best cardmen around. He does
fantastic stuff, but I've also seen him flash many times. Numerous
times while watching him I've seen a card in a gamblers' cop or seen
the cards doing something I probably wasn't suppose to see. But more
importantly, I've seen these same things while Larry was performing for
the public and I don't think the lay audience noticed them. These
performances have all been in bars, where I think somebody would have
said something if they'd seen anything. Larry did his card in bottle
routine the first night of the 1990 Inn Event and the bartender loved
it (we had to listen to the bartender rave about it for the rest of the
week).
What does all this mean? I not sure, but maybe sometimes when we see
a magician flash or whatever, it is only because we know where to look.
We're not as easily misdirected. Should we as performers also try to
fool fellow magicians in the audience? I don't know, perhaps that's
another question for discussion.
Charlie
Msg #30415 Dated 5:56:46 01-02-92 -> 30458
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: NEW YEAR
Want to wish everyone a happy and successful New Year.
Charlie
Msg #30416 Dated 8:37:58 01-02-92 30352 <--> 30417
From: RANDY EATON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
Thanks a million. I've got a copy of More Inner Secrets around
somewhere. I'll take a look and see. I'll go over the description that
you gave. I've seen a right to left version of the count in Bannon's
"Smoke and Mirrors" but wanted to have something to refer to.
I'm in the Minneapolis area incidentally.
Thanks again for the help and I'll definately be around.
Randy
Msg #30417 Dated 8:43:20 01-02-92 30361 <--> 30418
From: RANDY EATON
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
Thanks David. I've got a copy of More Inner Secrets. I'll dig around
for the other one. I've got several tricks that I've been performing
for about 3 months but have my eye on several that will need the
Elmsley. Just as a further general question, how do people go about
rehearsing material? Just sit down at a mirror and plow through the
routiine, or work on moves or what? I'm just curious.
Thanks again.
Randy
Msg #30418 Dated 9:31:04 01-02-92 30349 <--> 30425
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: RANDY EATON (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
Try the book _Cuts, Counts, Moves and Subtlety_ That has all the packet
sleights you may need
Msg #30419 Dated 9:40:09 01-02-92 30231 <--> 30448
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
now the OMC membership is very questionable.
Msg #30422 Dated 9:57:26 01-02-92 30411 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY GET TOGETHER
It is too bad the Raider's didn't get Marinovitch into games a lot
earlier in the season... when he gets some mo' experience they
will not even remember who the Falcons and Saints, let alone the
Washington or Oiler teams!
.
Will be uploading a book want list later this week. See you in
Music City... yo yo yo!
Msg #30423 Dated 9:57:34 01-02-92 30412 <--> 30543
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: UNIVERSE
You too, eh, dude... I hope to get back down one size by Nashville.
Msg #30424 Dated 9:57:37 01-02-92 30413 <--> 30456
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: FLASHING MAGICIANS
IMHO a flash is a flash... it means A) You don't have the technique
down properly (it could be the move is useless no matter what. B)
You have not had any friends TELL YOU (sometimes no matter how hard
you practice you can't see thing from all angles).
.
My belief is that if you FLASH and only "Not able to be misdirected"
magicians see it... there are lay persons that don't bite on the
misdirection as well.
.
I can remember one of the GREAT DISAPPOINTMENTS of my magical life
was the first time I saw the "legendary" Johnny Platt do the cups
and balls... a trick he had been WELL KNOWN for for years... when
I saw him (this was when he was still in excellent health, etc.) he
flashed palmed balls and FINAL LOADS incredibly often and BAD...
.
I walked away wondering how this man could have been called even
FAIR at what he was known for.
.
You just have to do BULLETPROOF stuff when people are watching,
I'm sorry... but that's the way it is.
.
If someone is IN A SESSION and working things out... fine (unless
there are customers watching... then you don't do it...)
.
Jerry Andrus was doing some stuff in the Castle one night (not a
regular show, but at a table downstairs) and some guy was standing
to one side... Jerry stopped and said, "I'm working on something
new and I would appreciate it if you wouldn't stand on my left rear"
The guy said, "It's OK, I'm a magician!"... Andrus said, "It doesnt'
matter, I don't want ANYBODY at that angle"... the guy wouldn't
budge (aren't a lot of magician's NICE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!) SO JERRY
CLOSED HIS DECK, AND LEFT.
.
You just DON'T do something if conditions, etc. are not right.
.
You will see an example when I open my lecture at Music Citeeeeee!
Msg #30425 Dated 9:58:12 01-02-92 30417 <--> 30454
From: PETE BIRO
To: RANDY EATON (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
On of the problems of working with a mirror is standing too close
to it. You are looking DOWN at your image... you have to think out
the ANGLE OF VIEW of a spectator and have a mirror that you can
move, lean etc. to get the correct perspective.
.
Lots of magic doesn't have that problem, but you need be award of
it. Then, once you think you have it down pat... it BECOMES a whole
new thing, new problems, new thinking, ONCE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT
YOU WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING.
.
As in most everything... there are NO SET RULES... each is its own.
Msg #30426 Dated 9:58:24 01-02-92 -> 30501
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: JIM A
Ee;30417
Talked to Alexander this AM... He sed youse guys are figuring out
what kinda tractor you need to buy. He just got a Killer...
.
Am off to San Francisco today to a GIANT antique show... I need some
dishes and stuff... argh... don't like the new stuff, all made in
Furrin' countries!
.
Tomorrow is my JOB INTERVIEW... (it's OK guys, it is part time
job and they have a room full of Mac IIs with Quark Express, etc.,
and publish a Computer Magazine, a Rock N Roll magazine, and are
starting up a CAR MAGAZINE... which I might become a consulting
Editor of.... I hope.... Need the $$$$$$ to pay my phone bills.
.
Hey, they might have modems there... hah... and a Watts Line?????
Yargh....
.
Did see a new MAC Laptop with the trackball on the Keyboard, right
where your thumb normally rests hitting the space bar (with a kinda
space bar along with the ball. Very intersting... with KILLER screen.
Too bad it ain't IBM Compatible.... tsk...)
.
Have not yet found my Hofzinser card gaff... still lookin' if I dont
got it can still to the trick at the lecture, but FAKE the one
part... Adios...
Msg #30427 Dated 10:47:48 01-02-92 30359 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: HPY NU YR
Thank you, sir. The feeling is mutual. Look forward to a long
friendship. Best to you in 1992. MIKE.
Msg #30428 Dated 10:50:24 01-02-92 -> 30433
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HI THERE!
Haven't talked at you in some time. Thought I might say "howdy".
Planning on doing lunch at the Castle Friday? Missed you last week.
Hope all is well. Best wishes to you and yours for the new year.
Thanks for being a friend. MIKE.
Msg #30429 Dated 10:52:09 01-02-92 -> 30459
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: NEW YEARS GREETINGS
Here's to bigger and better things for MAGIC (tm) in the new year.
David, you have done a great thing for magicians all over the world.
Bless you. I hope that 1992 shows you the fruits of your labor, I
know the friendships and fellowship you have "seeded" are enough, But
maybe '92 will have biggedr suprises. Thanks for everything and BEST
WISHES for a NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!! MIKE.
Msg #30430 Dated 10:55:03 01-02-92 -> 30502
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LETTER/TREATMENT
Get the Hollywood Pictures treatment and "coverage sheet" yet? I have
found another longer form treatment and will dash it out ASAP. Finally
licked the sickness, so I'm back at it strong. Spent a day last week
in the hospital. But all seems to be better. Best to you and everyone
in Nashville in the New Year. Until Later. MIKE.
Msg #30431 Dated 10:57:24 01-02-92 -> 30565
From: MIKE KING
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: NEW CLUB
How's tricks? Happy New Year. Wanted to check in on the new club. I
don't know if I told you, but when I produced the movie last year in
Vegas, we housed cast and crew for several weeks in the Continental
(sp). So I think I know the showroom you have. Is it located in the
back right corner of the casino as you come in the front door? Well
really doesn't matter. Did you replace SEX OVER FORTY? (the show).
Can I be of any assistance? Call if I can. Best of luck and here's
hoping you have a great '92. MIKE.
Msg #30432 Dated 11:47:33 01-02-92 30380 <--> 30467
From: MARVIN STERN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
No amount of words will make you not worry, but don't worry.
It usually goes well.
Good Luck and we'll all be looking forward to a Thumbs Up message on
Tues.
Msg #30433 Dated 12:01:28 01-02-92 30428 <--> 30476
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: HI THERE!
Yeh. I missed last Fri, was in bed all day, sick. Will see you this
Fri. [probably} for lunch./
Rec'd the Golf Paper. Have sent it to my son, he's the one with the
clubs.
Msg #30435 Dated 12:05:21 01-02-92 -> 30461
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
There isn't enough drinking in the Middle East for Ireland to have
been located there.
Msg #30436 Dated 12:05:29 01-02-92 -> 30462
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COVEN?
I can see that your question to me regarding the correct term for
a gathering of mages has rapidly become a monster before I got back
to the board to answer. I was gonna suggest a Mirage of Mages.
Msg #30441 Dated 12:06:20 01-02-92 -> 30447
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I would wholeheartedly agree with Max on the suggestion to join an
amateur theatre group as a means of improving one's performing
ability. I was quite active in community theatre groups at one
point in my life and learned a great deal about stage craft,
including how to speak and move on the stage. It is not usually to
encounter directors who have excellent backgrounds and are great
teachers.
Msg #30443 Dated 12:06:56 01-02-92 -> 30444
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
gotcha message (althought it was mistakenly linked onto another
message). I talked to Joe...all is cool for Feb 14...he is already
working on a "redate" for you...says individual has had face lift and
other such stuff and is a real knock out now! Please be sure to
reserve some time to discuss tapes with us. Also looks good for
Obie to be there.
Msg #30444 Dated 12:07:13 01-02-92 -> 30465
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
What I want to know is if copies of the tape (legit OR pirated) are
available!
Msg #30446 Dated 12:07:43 01-02-92 -> 30691
From: BILL WELLS
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: NEGATIVE CARDS
I thought I remembered you! Used to see you at MagiFest in Columbus
when I went with Art, Larry, and some of the other gang from DC like
Doc Dougerty and Dick Sitnick. Good to hear from you again!
Msg #30447 Dated 12:07:53 01-02-92 30077 <--> 30450
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Somehow, I am not sure that Biro's line about Magic being in the
eye of the beholder fits well into Tabby's tale of the musicians and
the glass eye!
Msg #30448 Dated 12:08:04 01-02-92 30127 <--> 30449
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Speaking of brochures, acts, and similar phenomena! Just viewed the
sensation tape on the breeding habits of frogs that you sent me...but
the copy I got has somehow been corrupted...just as the frog segment
was really getting interesting you apparently taped over it with some
vaguely familiar looking magician's act. I mean he was familiar but
all he did was CRAP! You know, stuff like the bra trick, paper hat
tear, moving pips, etc. Let me know if you find a good copy of the
frogs!
PS - I sent the tape of the familiar looking magician on to Joe. I
figured we might put him in after the plumbers.
Msg #30449 Dated 12:08:30 01-02-92 30222 <--> 30451
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Your sources on Vedaland for Florida may be more recent than mine,
but I do know that as of about three months ago, they were taking
bids from big contruction companies (if that is the correct name for
such firms) here in the DC area for building the park including a
number of "illusions". I got "consulted" regarding the magic part
of the deal. I haven't heard anything since, so your sources may be
correct.
Msg #30450 Dated 12:08:49 01-02-92 30234 <--> 30464
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: URI GELLER
What you saw was probably Santa's Marching Band. My mother-in-law
got one of them for Christmas. It plays 35 Christmas Carols!!
Msg #30451 Dated 13:34:48 01-02-92 30395 <--> 30452
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Well, I didn't want you to die next to your terminal with MAGIC!
displayed on the screen -- could have been a messy legal situation, you
know. Plus, I wasn't sure that you had already updated your will to
leave me the Goldston's.
Just heard from the mechanic in Borego. He's sending the transmission
to Ramona to be rebuilt, then will add a cooler. Says whole deal can
be done for "under a grand." Yeah, thanks.
Msg #30452 Dated 13:46:03 01-02-92 30396 <--> 30453
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pencil? You gonna do the book in pencil??? How am I gonna read it on
my computer? I want it in Windows WITH pictures!
Msg #30453 Dated 13:48:37 01-02-92 30397 <--> 30468
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
It is pretty hard to tell about Maven - he doesn't appear to own a
single pink shirt or a single green pair of pants. He did look OK when
I saw him on stage though.
Harry Blackstone Jr. seems to like the effect his clothes create, so
don't know if I would put him on Worst Dressed list. And I LIKE Karrel
Fox's clothes _ON_ _HIM_ - I think they are _PERFECT_, and they hide a
TON of weight! Burton -- yeah, I agree - he needs a change!
Msg #30454 Dated 13:56:51 01-02-92 30425 <--> 30473
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RANDY EATON (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
I took three of those 12" x 12" mirror tiles you stick on a wall and
taped 'em together with gaffer's tape. Made sure to cover the edges
for safety. They can be angled so you can see from all front angles.
Biro is right -- you want 'em at the right height so you can see what
the audience sees. Another idea is to use video - sometimes shooting
from different audience positions, sometimes shooting the mirrors so
you can review the tape and see different angles simultaneously.
The moves have got to be done such that you get them down, then
incorporate them into the routine.
Msg #30455 Dated 14:01:26 01-02-92 30410 <--> 30492
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
Thanks for your message about the Neale and Carney books, Charlie. I
like storytelling magic, so I guess I'll have to look into the Neale
book. Already got Carney's and my view of it agrees with yours.
May you and yours have a Superb 1992!
Msg #30456 Dated 14:05:09 01-02-92 30424 <--> 30544
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: FLASHING MAGICIANS
I gotta agree with Biro (!) on the flashing. Granted that a lot of
laypersons aren't particularly good at spotting stuff and you can get
a lot past them, BUT there are a _LOT_ of others who are like
sharpshooters - they can see the lines on a fly's wings at 50 paces.
It has got to get passed them - otherwise it ain't good and they will
tell their friends, etc. Sometimes I think you can get more stuff by
the average mage than you can by some lay audience members. They just
may not say anything, but believe me, if the mage can spot it, then
members of the lay audience can too.
Msg #30458 Dated 14:09:12 01-02-92 30415 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: NEW YEAR
Same to you, Charlie! All the best for 1992!
Msg #30459 Dated 14:10:47 01-02-92 30429 <--> 30477
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: NEW YEARS GREETINGS
Thank you, Mike. I feel good about what MAGIC! (and MAGIC-NL) have
already done and look forward to "bigger and better" in 1992. Here's
to a Wonderful 1992 for you too!
Msg #30461 Dated 14:14:46 01-02-92 30435 <--> 30980
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHORTENED MSG
Yeah, but all them dark, swarthy people in Ireland with a fondness for
politics. If they could get in "the big game" they probably wouldn't
need to drink! Besides, there are non-Moslem cultures in the area who
_don't_ have prohibitions about such stuff.
Msg #30462 Dated 14:16:13 01-02-92 30436 <--> 30493
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: COVEN?
Hmmm... "Mirage of Mages" ain't half bad. How about (I forget if it
has already been suggested) a "Deck" of Cardpersons?
Msg #30464 Dated 14:18:29 01-02-92 30441 <--> 30483
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Thanks, Bill. Amateur theater does sound like a good place to learn
stagecraft and performance techniques.
Msg #30465 Dated 14:20:03 01-02-92 30444 <--> 30484
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
If you want a copy of the tape, call Melinda! But I'll bet she's
already gotten a call or two!
Msg #30466 Dated 14:35:32 01-02-92 30391 <--> 30515
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE
-David,
Do you need some help in retrieving your motor home? I've got a
day or two free if you need me.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30467 Dated 14:35:37 01-02-92 30392 <--> 30469
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
David,
I'm glad you told me about the questions. They probably would
have thrown me for a loop.
Also, is there a table and lighting for close-up. Are there any
expected stage problems. I usually will check that sort of thing
out for myself before a performance, but the nature of this one
makes that difficult.
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30468 Dated 14:35:43 01-02-92 30399 <--> 30470
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete,
I have the special on Moschen on VHS. Would you like me to send
you a copy?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30469 Dated 14:35:48 01-02-92 30401 <--> 30472
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Pete,
I worry before every perfomance I have ever given. Once I'm on
stage I fine, but until then, it's butterfly city.
I know that the jury is made up of people who have performed at
the castle, but is there a normal jury, or does it depend on who
happens to be there?
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30470 Dated 14:35:53 01-02-92 30402 <--> 30471
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Pete,
My calendar says that Sunday is the 19th. Are we going for
12:00?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30471 Dated 14:35:58 01-02-92 30405 <--> 30479
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Yes, but which of us lives in the real world.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30472 Dated 14:36:02 01-02-92 30432 <--> 30480
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Marvin,
Thanks for the good wishes. I will certainly post the outcome as
soon as I know. (How soon will I know?)
Thanks again!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #30473 Dated 14:59:05 01-02-92 30418 <--> 30474
From: RANDY EATON
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
Thanks, I'll get that. In fact, it seems to be THE book to have for
packets.
Randy
Msg #30474 Dated 15:00:08 01-02-92 30425 <--> 30475
From: RANDY EATON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
Amen to that. The first several tricks that I did, I had to slow WAY
down to make sure taht the lines that I was saying jived with my
shaking hands. But once you do it once or twice, big deal. I've got a
good core audience that I do things for and if they don't wince, I'm
ready for the big time.
randy
Msg #30475 Dated 15:02:14 01-02-92 30454 <--> 30491
From: RANDY EATON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
Michael Ammar touchs on video in his book. I haven't tried it yet.
I've got a big mirror that sits right across from me that I can shift
accordingly. But for the most part, I just practice the moves without
looking at my hands anyway. That way when I do look down, any flashes
would be obvious.
Like I said in another message. I've got a core audience that doesn't
by magic at all. They watch the hands to the exclusion of all. If I can
pull it by them, it's a keeper.
(And no, they aren't my cats....)
Randy
P.S.- Do you have any BBS refinements planned for the future? I run a
BBS myself and would love to talk shop.
Msg #30476 Dated 15:20:32 01-02-92 30433 <--> 30589
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HI THERE!
No. I don't have his address. Call my machine and leave it and I'll
send him a copy. See ya tomorrow. MIKE>
Msg #30477 Dated 15:21:46 01-02-92 30459 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW YEARS GREETINGS
Cheers!!!!!
Msg #30479 Dated 18:07:03 01-02-92 30419 <--> 30487
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
I have not seen the professional level that the OMC "used to have"
sincy my return to the area. There are a couple of guys doing some
nice close up workshop kinda stuff... but...
.
I will miss the Jan. meeting (going to Ohio and Nashville) but will
conduct a "Wild Card" history and workshop in Feb. Gone back to the
original concept stuff, Hamman's "Mystic Nines" Kane's "Watch the
Ace" etc... to Takagi's handling, Kaps stuff, etc., Dingle...
Msg #30480 Dated 18:07:12 01-02-92 30432 <--> 30495
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Thumbs up is IN, Thumb Tips are out. Got your xeroxes of your
"equipment"? Hard to spot with the center of interest where it was!
Msg #30483 Dated 18:07:31 01-02-92 30441 <--> 30486
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Are there PROFESSIONAL theater group/classes too?
Msg #30484 Dated 18:07:34 01-02-92 30443 <--> 30984
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN
Hey, her face was ok to me... I was just in a depressed state of
shock from the previous few months of crapolla... ran into a
KILLER lady today at a Poster show... made appt. to go to her
shop in a couple of weeks to look over some circus posters!
(OK, so I am a dreamer...) Har... soon on way to Tabman city...
Msg #30486 Dated 18:07:46 01-02-92 30447 <--> 30488
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
I have a trick using a glass eye (actually 2) one is a Kovari idea,
and the other from Crandall's "It's Not Magic" routine... mmmmmmm
Msg #30487 Dated 18:07:50 01-02-92 30448 <--> 30489
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Nice, Bill, Nice.. tipped my original "inside" repertoire in a
public message!! Cheeesh... Hey at least they are angle proof.
I have entered. I figure I can get at least 2nd place, and add to
that the TROPHY for winning the Bill Switch Contest over the Frog,
I will be in heaven!!!
.
I have an old trophy the plaque fell off of. Having a new one
engraved, changing the words from "Merit Award" to "Grand Prize"..
Hey, who's gonna know? It will be more impressive!
Msg #30488 Dated 18:08:00 01-02-92 30450 <--> 30506
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: URI GELLER
Yeah, great, eh? Can't buy one yet... next year mebbe...
Msg #30489 Dated 18:08:03 01-02-92 30451 <--> 30490
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
"under a grand"? Grand Rapids? ARgh... nothing is cheap. I really
screwed up today. bought 2 of the same Faro pictures from a paper
show... got the piles mixed up and only looked at the backs to
see costs, and Zappo... a pair the same... "Byron will probably
take one from me in trade on some books...." ARgh... brain fade.
Msg #30490 Dated 18:08:10 01-02-92 30452 <--> 30494
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
OK, if you are going to use Windows... I will do it with Crayolas.
Msg #30491 Dated 18:08:13 01-02-92 30454 <--> 30520
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
You need to get the magic so that the MOVES don't exist NO MORE...
You just present... the moment you stop to think of what to do you
are DEAD MEAT.
.
The moment you have to re-adjust the thumb tip... IT IS OVER!
Msg #30492 Dated 18:08:19 01-02-92 30455 <--> 30529
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW BOOKS
SO FAR CARNEY'S IS THE BOOK OF THE YEAR! THIS OR ALMOST ANY!
Msg #30493 Dated 18:08:22 01-02-92 30462 <--> 30505
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COVEN?
"Menage a Mage" ? Sounds good. Howza bout "Pack of Cardmen"? I will
never be PC, cuz it is too late for me...
Msg #30494 Dated 18:08:26 01-02-92 30468 <--> 30496
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
i would like to borrow it for a look. 16 Los Banos Ct. Walnut Creek
CA 94598-3101 (outa town for almost 2 weeks... if you is coming to
the Castle when I am there on the Sunday 18th?? see you there?)
Msg #30495 Dated 18:08:30 01-02-92 30469 <--> 30510
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
I don't know who is "the jury".... and many that have performed
at the Castle ARE NOT THAT GOOD... so don't worry BE HAPPY!!
.
The key to NOT being Butterfly City... Hah... is confidence. I used
to do different stuff all the time, cuz it was fun... but often
worried... then when Mike Caldwell told me to try doing the same
act over and over WITH NO CHANGES to 'develop' and tightent it up,
it started to happen... NO FEAR... When I worked the Comedy Clubs
I never changed a thing in the bag... I could sit in the audience
with friends, chatting and enjoying the show... and not even think-
ing about performing... then about 30-seconds before I was on, I
would excuse myself and zip backstage... and ON WITH THE SHOW...
.
When I would try new stuff in new rooms, I would have some nerves..
.
Funny thing, the guy once told me he booked me back alla time
because (his words) "You always do FRESH NEW material"... hah...
I never CHANGED A TRICK... did, however NEVER use "set patter",
did loose outline and mostly commented on what was happening and
how the audiences were reacting and built on that....
Msg #30496 Dated 18:08:51 01-02-92 30470 <--> 30497
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Sat. the 18th I will be on photo Assignment until almost Midnite
in Anaheim. Sunday, when I can, will drive to Hollywood, bout
noon, I guess and there I be...
Msg #30497 Dated 18:08:55 01-02-92 30471 <--> 30499
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
Where is the real world and I'll letcha know....
Msg #30498 Dated 18:08:58 01-02-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: ER
Re: THERE WAS A GREAT GAL IN
violently... she covered it with great lines... "I'm not nervous,
its this prop... it is terrified and I can't get it to stop shaking"
etc. etc... she told me next day that she NEVER gets nervous doing
real gigs, but competitions do here in... but the covering talk,
and her style, really made it (TO ME!!!!) very entertaining. She
was excellent as an ENTERTAINER.
Msg #30499 Dated 18:20:06 01-02-92 30496 <--> 30500
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: IS MAGIC DEAD?
This is a test of a revised script DELETING "Waitquit 3 forever"
from the script. I worked fine with MAGIC.LOG, now lets see what
it does with MAGIC.REP
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